From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 00:42:49 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:42:49 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp client for vmware In-Reply-To: <1130801596.3462.69.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1130652875.22271.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1130732945.14175.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1130734887.2083.126.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1130797900.16488.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1130801596.3462.69.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4366BA09.70203@gmail.com> Les Mike sell wrote: >On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 16:31, Michael C Wescott wrote: > > >>>Now that the player is free this might be a platform of choice >>>for machines that run windows. You get the effect of dual-booting >>>without having to reboot. I'm not sure how performance compares >>>to running X on windows, but there would be some other side >>>effects like working with TeacherTool. To make it work the >>>way you'd want I suppose you have to find a way to run >>>vmware tools in the session, though. >>> >>> >>An Xserver on windows would certainly be faster. Only where you want to >>run a Linux app locally would there be some utility. Is that the reason >>for the comment about teachertool? But if you're going that far, why not >>come up with a Vmware virtual machine that acts as a client? >> >> > >I think that's what I meant in the first place: a virtual machine that >PXE or etherboots to run as a thin client. You could install vmplayer >and copy this virtual machine on your windows boxes to run as a client >without having to reboot or lose access to windows apps. > > > >>And a Virtual machine that's a server might be good for demo purposes as >>well. >> >> > >And testing. It should be legal to build a downloadable image of >an installed server that anyone could use without much setup. You'd >just have to be careful not to get a DHCP server running on the >wrong network. Running on an odd port might work. > Hmmmmm..... Would it be possible to have /two/ sessions running on the same computer? I'm thinking that for demoing purposes, having the server running on one monitor and the thin client on another would /really/ demonstrate LTSP's flexibility, as well as making setting up a demo a breeze. -- Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting From caldodge at fpcc.net Tue Nov 1 00:55:46 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:55:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] driver for parallel HP Laserjet 4L In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20051101005546.GA20007@fpcc.net> On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 05:57:23PM -0500, Dan Hopson wrote: > Can anyone help me with finding a driver for an HP Laserjet 4L to work with > K12LTSP server? It has a parallel connection. Thanks. Dan. Do you mean a print driver? Is the printer hooked up to the server? If so, have you tried using system-config-printer to add the printer? Or are you trying to use just CUPS to add it? Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Nov 1 01:40:07 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:40:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] pointer movement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1130809207.10926.146.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> If you use KDE, there is such an indicator. It can be configured to give the "launching" indicator for anywhere between one and thirty seconds. --TP On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 07:57 -0800, Larry Mateo wrote: > We have experienced the same behavior--by StarOffice and students. Our solution is to have the students right-click the appropriate icon and select "Open" from the floating menu. There still isn't a desktop indicator that the application is loading, but the students now avoid starting multiple instances of the same program. > > > Our students keep clicking on the Writer Icon to start up the program > > not realizing that the application is "Starting Up". Is there a way to > > make the pointer spin or do some kind of Windoze action to let the user > > know that the application is starting? > > > > > > > > Ronald R. 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URL: From moquist at majen.net Tue Nov 1 01:54:33 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:54:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] killing Active Directory - direction needed for Samba/LDAP installer Message-ID: <20051101015433.GA12292@majen.net> The newest version of the Samba/LDAP Installer theoretically should work on almost any Linux distribution, and it has been successfully tested with Ubuntu, K12LTSP 4.4.1, and FC4. (The newest version is always at http://majen.net/smbldap/. Updated documentation is in progress.) But any multi-site organization wishing to utilize this has a number of remaining problems to solve, and I'd like to see how the installer can be improved to deal with those problems. In each area, we need to consider what Active Directory (the competition), is like. 1. Ease of configuration Clickity-click, I want AD, clickity-click, I want users, clickity-click I want trust relationships in my WAN. Pretty GUIs are available to do everything. To be a viable alternative, Samba/LDAP must be easily installable and configureable. While a GUI interface to the Samba/LDAP installer/configurer would be nice, ATM I consider this to be lower in priority than some other things. 2. Ease of management Managing users and groups is easy and clicky in AD. I'm a command line buff, but most other people are not CLI buffs. Those people want GUIs, which means that management GUIs are a necessity if a smallish organization without UNIX gurus is going to seriously consider switching from AD to Samba/LDAP. Webmin has some modules, IDEALX has the Samba Management Console, and I've even heard people mention that they use Windows-based applications to manage Samba/LDAP. What recommendations do any of you have? Which GUIs are the best? Which ones are the easiest to configure? Which ones are the most stable? Which ones are the most powerful? Which ones are the safest -- from a security standpoint and a newbie-administrator standpoint? If we can arrive upon a particular tool or set of tools that work the best, I hope the Samba/LDAP installer can begin to address that installation and configuration as well. (Whatever tool is chosen must be readily available as an RPM/deb, and very preferrably installable with normal yum/apt repositories.) 3. How to do WAN configurations? Here's where it will become rather obvious that I haven't done much of anything with LDAP myself; I'm not even a sysadmin of more than my home network so I haven't been using Samba/LDAP. But what is the best way to implement Samba/LDAP in a multi-site WAN? I have a particular scenario in mind. Suppose a given school district has 10 schools on a WAN, and each school currently has its own AD domain. Each AD domain trusts all the others, so each user can log in at each school with her own regular username and password. I realize that AD is just LDAP and Kerberos with some Embrace & Exteeeeeeend applied, but based on how the Samba/LDAP Installer works and my rather superficial understanding of LDAP itself, it seems like giving each school its own base DN (analogous to the different AD domains) is probably a needlessly complex approach. Instead, would it be better to give the entire district one Samba/LDAP domain, e.g. "DISTRICT", and then create a group of users for each school? Each school would then have a slave Samba/LDAP server and a file server. The home directories would be structured like this: /home/schoola/ /home/schoolb/ /home/schoolc/ /home/schoold/ And each school's fileserver would NFS mount each other school's local userspace so that wherever you are in the district, things should look exactly the same. If you log in outside of your normal site, then things will be slower for you as your home directory is accessed across the WAN. But everything else should be the same. This would make user migration (from school to school) a snap, as users can simply be dropped from one group and added to another, and home directories can be rsynced from school A to school B. (I guess the users would need to have their homedir paths modified as well.) Is this a good approach? Is there any reason it wouldn't work? Is there a better approach that would be this simple? If we could develop the Samba/LDAP Installer to make it drop-dead easy to configure and manage multi-platform, multi-site user authentication, I think we will have taken a great step forward. I look forward to all your great advice. :) Thanks, Matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Samba/LDAP?= In-Reply-To: <200511010341.jA13fS408351@downeast.net> References: <200511010341.jA13fS408351@downeast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, October 31, 2005 at 8:34 PM +0000 wrote: >dont suppose we can get together this week? >bound for Montreal on >Thurs.chuck > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Matt and I both will be there! Matt is coming to Vassalboro and we're leaving from there. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Nov 1 01:54:59 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 01:54:59 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] killing Active Directory - direction needed Message-ID: <200511010401.jA141w410362@downeast.net> cool.. > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, October 31, 2005 at 8:34 PM +0000 wrote: > >dont suppose we can get together this week? > >bound for Montreal on > >Thurs.chuck > > > >--------------------------------------------- > >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > Matt and I both will be there! Matt is coming to Vassalboro and we're > leaving from there. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Nov 1 02:37:11 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:37:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] killing Active Directory - direction needed In-Reply-To: <200511010401.jA141w410362@downeast.net> References: <200511010401.jA141w410362@downeast.net> Message-ID: I'm flying in Weds evening. -Eric On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > cool.. > >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." on >> Monday, October 31, 2005 at 8:34 PM +0000 wrote: >>> dont suppose we can get together this week? >>> bound for Montreal on >>> Thurs.chuck >>> >>> --------------------------------------------- >>> This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >>> http://ellsworthme.com/ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> >> Matt and I both will be there! Matt is coming to Vassalboro and we're >> leaving from there. >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >> (207)923-3100 >> From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Nov 1 02:57:00 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:57:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] killing Active Directory - direction needed In-Reply-To: References: <200511010401.jA141w410362@downeast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, October 31, 2005 at 9:37 PM +0000 wrote: > >I'm flying in Weds evening. > >-Eric Awesome! I'm psyched....word has it we're roomies. It'll be good to see you again :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Nov 1 03:08:39 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:08:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer and Ubuntu, EdUbuntu Message-ID: Hi all, To follow up Matt's message....we talked at length on the phone today. We need an AD killer. The installation of Samba/LDAP is easy enough now....next we need to begin expanding so that it can be used in a WAN, multi-server situation. Also...the Ubuntu version of smbldap-installer works great! This is cool for folks who might want to make the switch to EdUbuntu next school year. Matt's coding magic has enabled him to come up with an Ubuntu "answer" to authconfig. Not real pretty, but it works (that's what we need it to do). I am currently working on the docs (major rewrite) and hope to have them done next week. Getting time to spend with my sandbox has been the issue. DO NOT try it on a production box as there are MANY changes to how things are done. Even the add user scripts are a tad different (bug fixes and moved one field over). The cool thing....now that the Ubuntu piece is in place....it SHOULD work with other Debian distros so long as the packages are in place in their respective repos. I don't run AD (Active Directory) at all so it's hard for me to test AD killer alternatives. I'm hoping that Matt, Chuck, and I (along with anyone else who wants to jump in) can find some time to brainstorm the idea this weekend and beyond. It'd be really nice to allow folks an easy way to get off the M$ AD hampster wheel. So....read Matt's message....and let's get this discussion underway...Matt and I are ready to tackle this and it's an idea whose time has come. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Nov 1 03:52:04 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:52:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer and Ubuntu, EdUbuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Oct 2005, David Trask wrote: > Hi all, > To follow up Matt's message....we talked at length on the phone today. We > need an AD killer. The installation of Samba/LDAP is easy enough > now....next we need to begin expanding so that it can be used in a WAN, > multi-server situation. Also...the Ubuntu version of smbldap-installer > works great! This is cool for folks who might want to make the switch to > EdUbuntu next school year. Matt's coding magic has enabled him to come up > with an Ubuntu "answer" to authconfig. Not real pretty, but it works > (that's what we need it to do). I am currently working on the docs (major > rewrite) and hope to have them done next week. Getting time to spend with > my sandbox has been the issue. DO NOT try it on a production box as there > are MANY changes to how things are done. Even the add user scripts are a > tad different (bug fixes and moved one field over). The cool thing....now > that the Ubuntu piece is in place....it SHOULD work with other Debian > distros so long as the packages are in place in their respective repos. I > don't run AD (Active Directory) at all so it's hard for me to test AD > killer alternatives. I'm hoping that Matt, Chuck, and I (along with > anyone else who wants to jump in) can find some time to brainstorm the > idea this weekend and beyond. It'd be really nice to allow folks an easy > way to get off the M$ AD hampster wheel. So....read Matt's message....and > let's get this discussion underway...Matt and I are ready to tackle this > and it's an idea whose time has come. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > As an "early pioneer" in this area, I'm thrilled to see work being done. I did a bunch of work on LDAP support in Linux long before K12LTSP. I was one of the two original creators of the LDAP support in Samba[1] and have been running OpenLDAP in production since version 1.2. We currently have 15,000 accounts in our directory servers. I've been playing with the Fedora Directory Server a little (not nearly enough) and am very excited about the possibilities there. A new version of the FDS is due to be released real-soon-now that includes most, if not all, of the enhancements required to replace an OpenLDAP server. FDS also is also multi-server/WAN friendly, has dynamic ACLs, and other such "enterprise" buzz-words. Oh, and it has a point-and-click management console. I would *love* to help hack on directory servers as a "sub-topic" in Montreal. (especially convenient if David and I will be roommates ;-). -Eric [1] Well, sorta. My "claim to fame" here is two fold: 1) I did a test implementation that was so insanely ugly that it inspired Shahms King to do it right[2] and 2) at that point in time Shahms was an intern at MESD and it was my job was to sign off on his time sheet ;-) [2] Shahms' patch was officially accepted into Samba 2.2. From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 06:10:27 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:10:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: References: <236rb3rgdfbi288.271020051217@mail> <43610942.5020304@codeweavers.com> Message-ID: On 10/31/05, Dan Kegel wrote: > I've done a bunch of Wine testing lately. My success rate > this weekend is 2 out of 8 apps worked perfectly, five didn't > install, and one locked up on the splash screen. My impression is, though, > that Wine has very good bones, and is progressing rapidly. I just tested Kid Pix 4 school edition on wine. The sound stutters, and it isn't as responsive as it should be. All it needs is a little TLC from the Wine developers, though, and it'll be running nicely, I bet. From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 06:20:48 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 01:20:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] killing Active Directory - direction needed In-Reply-To: References: <200511010401.jA141w410362@downeast.net> Message-ID: <92de6c880510312220o34e5f404o4bbfdfb8a2e776df@mail.gmail.com> I'm driving up Wednesday. I want to talk to everyone about tying Samba/LDAP users management to Moodle and SchoolTool using SIF, but that's probably more of a Breezy+1 goal if anything. --Tom On 10/31/05, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, October 31, 2005 at 9:37 PM +0000 wrote: > > > >I'm flying in Weds evening. > > > >-Eric > > Awesome! I'm psyched....word has it we're roomies. It'll be good to see > you again :-) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Tue Nov 1 08:43:20 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:43:20 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade from K12LTSP 4.2 to 4.4.1 how to transfer SMBLDAP info In-Reply-To: <436155C4.4020107@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20051101084319.HAMY3578.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> I currently have a K12LTSP 4.2 system running with SMBLDAP providing authentication and homes users on LTSP client computers and windows machines. I decided I wanted to try out Crossover Office 5 (but not on the current production server), so I have installed K12LTSP 4.4.1 on a new box and installed Crossover Office 5. What do I have to do now to set up SMBLDAP and transfer all the user authentication info to this new box so it can become the official new server and I can use the other server for other purposes. I have gigabit connection between the servers, so copying files is pretty quick. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Nov 1 09:08:26 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:08:26 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] killing Active Directory - direction needed for Samba/LDAP installer In-Reply-To: <20051101015433.GA12292@majen.net> References: <20051101015433.GA12292@majen.net> Message-ID: <4367308A.9010105@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Matt Oquist wrote: > The newest version of the Samba/LDAP Installer theoretically should > work on almost any Linux distribution, and it has been successfully > tested with Ubuntu, K12LTSP 4.4.1, and FC4. (The newest version is > always at http://majen.net/smbldap/. Updated documentation is in > progress.) > > But any multi-site organization wishing to utilize this has a number > of remaining problems to solve, and I'd like to see how the installer > can be improved to deal with those problems. In each area, we need to > consider what Active Directory (the competition), is like. > > 1. Ease of configuration > Clickity-click, I want AD, clickity-click, I want users, > clickity-click I want trust relationships in my WAN. Pretty GUIs > are available to do everything. To be a viable alternative, > Samba/LDAP must be easily installable and configureable. While > a GUI interface to the Samba/LDAP installer/configurer would be > nice, ATM I consider this to be lower in priority than some other > things. > > 2. Ease of management > Managing users and groups is easy and clicky in AD. I'm a command > line buff, but most other people are not CLI buffs. Those people > want GUIs, which means that management GUIs are a necessity if > a smallish organization without UNIX gurus is going to seriously > consider switching from AD to Samba/LDAP. > > Webmin has some modules, IDEALX has the Samba Management Console, > and I've even heard people mention that they use Windows-based > applications to manage Samba/LDAP. > > What recommendations do any of you have? Which GUIs are the best? > Which ones are the easiest to configure? Which ones are the most > stable? Which ones are the most powerful? Which ones are the > safest -- from a security standpoint and a newbie-administrator > standpoint? > > If we can arrive upon a particular tool or set of tools that work > the best, I hope the Samba/LDAP installer can begin to address that > installation and configuration as well. (Whatever tool is chosen > must be readily available as an RPM/deb, and very preferrably > installable with normal yum/apt repositories.) > > 3. How to do WAN configurations? > Here's where it will become rather obvious that I haven't done much > of anything with LDAP myself; I'm not even a sysadmin of more than > my home network so I haven't been using Samba/LDAP. But what is > the best way to implement Samba/LDAP in a multi-site WAN? > > I have a particular scenario in mind. Suppose a given school > district has 10 schools on a WAN, and each school currently has its > own AD domain. Each AD domain trusts all the others, so each user > can log in at each school with her own regular username and > password. > > I realize that AD is just LDAP and Kerberos with some Embrace > & Exteeeeeeend applied, but based on how the Samba/LDAP Installer > works and my rather superficial understanding of LDAP itself, it > seems like giving each school its own base DN (analogous to the > different AD domains) is probably a needlessly complex approach. > > Instead, would it be better to give the entire district one > Samba/LDAP domain, e.g. "DISTRICT", and then create a group of > users for each school? Each school would then have a slave > Samba/LDAP server and a file server. The home directories would be > structured like this: > /home/schoola/ > /home/schoolb/ > /home/schoolc/ > /home/schoold/ > And each school's fileserver would NFS mount each other school's > local userspace so that wherever you are in the district, things > should look exactly the same. > > If you log in outside of your normal site, then things will be > slower for you as your home directory is accessed across the WAN. > But everything else should be the same. > > This would make user migration (from school to school) a snap, as > users can simply be dropped from one group and added to another, > and home directories can be rsynced from school A to school B. (I > guess the users would need to have their homedir paths modified as > well.) > > Is this a good approach? Is there any reason it wouldn't work? Is > there a better approach that would be this simple? > > > If we could develop the Samba/LDAP Installer to make it drop-dead easy > to configure and manage multi-platform, multi-site user authentication, > I think we will have taken a great step forward. > > I look forward to all your great advice. :) > > Thanks, > Matt > > -- > Open Source Software Engineering Consultant > http://majen.net/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see The two tools I use to manage our Samba/LDAP and LAM (Ldap Account Manager) and JXplorer (http://pegacat.com/jxplorer/) which is Java based and makes manipluating LDAP really easy. I still use the cli for the initial generation of users but I reading the LAM mailing list they have a module for this that will create the homedirs so you as well. I've played with the idealx modules and GOSA (https://gosa.gonicus.de/). Idealx is quite nice but I have issues with it's speed but I expect if I spent some time on it that would be solved. GOSA is really flashy but you need to add a few schema's to openldap and seems a little overkill for me. I've got phpldapadmin installed but it coughs with the number of users I have (approx 1200) It would be quite nice if the installer could offer the option to setup the machine as a BDC / SlaveLDAP server. I've setup several machine as slave's and it's reduced the load on our main LDAP server hugely. If you'd like to read what I've done have a look at http://www.chivers.info/Samba3-OpenLDAP-slave-server-config.html Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From dan_hopson at hotmail.com Tue Nov 1 12:55:12 2005 From: dan_hopson at hotmail.com (Dan Hopson) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 07:55:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HP 4L printer Message-ID: Thanks TP, I had selected the ljet driver but I forgot to lower the resolution to 300 dpi...that was the problem...I'm enjoying the K12LTSP revolution Dan. From JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us Tue Nov 1 13:53:37 2005 From: JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us (Jeffrey Myers) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:53:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How to lock screen Message-ID: <1249B1B01D2A444490F78C240418EA54739C53@dcedcf05.dccentral> _____ From: Jeffrey Myers [mailto:JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 4:00 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: [K12OSN] How to lock screen Could anyone please advise how do you lock the screen on the server version 4.2.1? When I select Actions Lock screen, it does nothing. Thank you, Jeffrey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Nov 1 13:55:20 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:55:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Interesting question. . . Message-ID: Scenario: Workstation connected to a private lan behind a DHCP server handing out 192.168.x.x numbers. Public side of that server is on a 10.40.x.x number and the server I want the workstation to boot from is on the 10.40.x.x LAN. How can I make this happen? Did I lose you? Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 1 14:45:32 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 06:45:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051101144532.19773.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here are some instructions for getting IE6 to work under wine: http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=ie6 I have personally used winetools (http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/) to get IE6 running on Mandrake 10.1 and it worked well. I tried using it on Ubuntu Hoary and it didn't work right for some reason and I gave up. Never tried it on Fedora. -Rob --- Steve Hargadon wrote: > On 10/27/05, Jeremy White > wrote: > > > > Sorry to inject a competing solution, but I did > want to > > point out that CrossOver educational pricing > > starts at $49 per *concurrent* user and goes down > from > > there with volume, and *no* Windows license is > required. > > > > I'm glad you responded! > > We've got three basic requirements we are seeing: > > 1. Using IE > 2. Downloading a client-side Windows program > 3. Running a Windows educational program > > How does IE do? > > I'm assuming specialized testing programs that have > to be downloaded are not > likely to be supported? > > What Windows educational programs have you got > running? > > Steve > > -- > Steve Hargadon > 916-899-1400 direct > www.k12computers.com > www.technologyrescue.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Nov 1 14:57:23 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:57:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] killing Active Directory - direction needed for=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Samba/LDAP_?= instal In-Reply-To: <4367308A.9010105@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <20051101015433.GA12292@majen.net> <4367308A.9010105@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 at 4:08 AM +0000 wrote: >It would be quite nice if the installer could offer the option to setup >the machine as a BDC / >SlaveLDAP server. I've setup several machine as slave's and it's reduced >the load on our main LDAP >server hugely. If you'd like to read what I've done have a look at >http://www.chivers.info/Samba3-OpenLDAP-slave-server-config.html Awesome idea...this is one of the things Matt and I talked about and referred to the work you've done already. I have a few questions for you. First of all...scripting the choice of Main LDAP or Slave LDAP should be easy....it's simply a "fork" in the script....kind of an "if" "else" scenario. My question is this.....are you doing this over a WAN....do you have multiple locations? A Campus....or more spread out? One domain? Do the home directories live only on the Main LDAP server or are you keeping groups on different servers....???? How are you doing the home directories? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Nov 1 14:58:33 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:58:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Interesting question. . . In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 at 8:55 AM +0000 wrote: >Scenario: > >Workstation connected to a private lan behind a DHCP server handing out >192.168.x.x numbers. Public side of that server is on a 10.40.x.x number >and the server I want the workstation to boot from is on the 10.40.x.x >LAN. > >How can I make this happen? > >Did I lose you? One more detail.....how is the machine on the 10.0.0.x side geting it's IP address? What is the DHCP server? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Nov 1 14:58:33 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:58:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Interesting question. . . In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 at 8:55 AM +0000 wrote: >Scenario: > >Workstation connected to a private lan behind a DHCP server handing out >192.168.x.x numbers. Public side of that server is on a 10.40.x.x number >and the server I want the workstation to boot from is on the 10.40.x.x >LAN. > >How can I make this happen? > >Did I lose you? One more detail.....how is the machine on the 10.0.0.x side geting it's IP address? What is the DHCP server? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Nov 1 14:59:04 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:59:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: <20051101144532.19773.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051101144532.19773.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 at 9:45 AM +0000 wrote: >I have personally used winetools >(http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/) to get >IE6 running on Mandrake 10.1 and it worked well. I >tried using it on Ubuntu Hoary and it didn't work >right for some reason and I gave up. Never tried it >on Fedora. Barely works even when you get it running. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Nov 1 15:01:13 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 10:01:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] killing Active Directory - direction needed In-Reply-To: <92de6c880510312220o34e5f404o4bbfdfb8a2e776df@mail.gmail.com> References: <200511010401.jA141w410362@downeast.net> < > < > <92de6c880510312220o34e5f404o4bbfdfb8a2e776df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 at 1:20 AM +0000 wrote: >I'm driving up Wednesday. I want to talk to everyone about tying >Samba/LDAP users management to Moodle and SchoolTool using SIF, but >that's probably more of a Breezy+1 goal if anything. > >--Tom Hook up with Matt and I....this should be quite easy David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Tue Nov 1 15:17:45 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:17:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Interesting question. . . In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1130858265.9224.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 07:55, Doug Simpson wrote: > Scenario: > > Workstation connected to a private lan behind a DHCP server handing out > 192.168.x.x numbers. Public side of that server is on a 10.40.x.x number > and the server I want the workstation to boot from is on the 10.40.x.x > LAN. > > How can I make this happen? This should be the same as any other situation where a different DHCP server is used. You have to make it hand out the extra options for 'next-server', 'filename' and 'root-path'. Do you control that DHCP server? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Nov 1 15:35:28 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:35:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] killing Active Directory - direction needed for Samba/LDAP installer In-Reply-To: <20051101015433.GA12292@majen.net> References: <20051101015433.GA12292@majen.net> Message-ID: <20051101150730.M84045@winonacotter.org> > If we could develop the Samba/LDAP Installer to make it drop-dead > easy to configure and manage multi-platform, multi-site user > authentication, I think we will have taken a great step forward. I found Webmin to be the easiest tool to setup and use (after tracking down the correct settings of course). The only piece missing was getting the bulk add tool in webmin to create samba accounts. So I used it in conjunction with the bulk-add scripts. I will paste my email from August below for information if anyone wants to test it out. I did look into FDS like Eric mentioned. Wow! Looks like it would do everything under the sun, all you need is a team of 12 highly trained scientists and 6 months to get it configured. In my opinion this solution is light years away from easy. I have ran into 6 installs in the last couple of months that I could have put Linux as the main server if only I could give them a foolproof replacement for AD. What is there right now just needs to get the bulk-add for Webmin to create samba users. The other piece is a backup module. I want to have a module that give me a button (say in the LDAP screen of Webmin) called "Backup SMB/LDAP". This button runs some magic scripts in the background and backs up all config files, users, user folders, profiles, etc based off the current config into a giant gzip file into whatever directory I specify. Then in the event of catastrophic failure I can build a new server with a basic OS, go to my Webmin LDAP module and click the other magic button "Restore SMB/LDAP" which asks me where my giant gzip file is and whalla! I have my users, groups, machines, folders, profiles, etc restored. If these couple things were worked out I think we would have AD hands down. Most places I run into that use AD don't need multi-site setups with thousands of users. I think that could be secondary. I think a simple management tool for what exists along with a backup plan for failure are most important, improvements for larger sites secondary. Without the first it won't be adopted by the larger site anyway. -----------Post from August on configuring Webmin------------ You can add/modify/delete users and groups from the LDAP Users and groups module. Below I will show my settings for the module as configured for version 2.0-alpha of the smb/ldap installer scripts. The add users via batch section is all that needs work now. It appears to leave out the Samba account options when run. I emailed Jamie Cameron to see if he can let me know how to make this work. Anyhow with the settings below I am able to login via Linux, via a OSX LDAP enabled machine, and join a Windows Machine to the domain and login. I will list only fields where I have made changes from the default. This is also with the newest stable version of webmin. Disk quotas will also be able to be managed via the Webmin Disk Quota module, provided that under the Disk and Network Filesystems you have enable User or Group quotas, and subsequently enabled Disk Quotas under the Disk Quotas module. Also in discussion with Jamie Cameron I was informed that the variables ${USER} and ${UID} can be used to substitute username and user id respectively anywhere in the webmin module configuration. Here goes: Linux LDAP NSS library config file: /etc/ldap.conf Bind to LDAP server as: cn=manager,dc=yourdomain,dc=org Credentials for bind name above: On first access click Set to and enter your smb/ldap password as set during script installation, after first entry leave set to Don?t change Base for users: ou=Users,dc=yourdomain,dc=org Base for groups: ou=Groups,dc=yourdomain,dc=org Other objectClasses to add to new users: top inetOrgPerson Full path to slappasswd program: /usr/sbin/slappasswd LDAP properties for all new users: sn: ${USER} Lowest UID for new users: 1000 Default primary group for new users: Domain Users Default secondary groups for new users: Domain Users Default shell for new users: /bin/bash LDAP object class for Samba users: sambaSamAccount Enabled Samba account by default?: Yes Domain SID for Samba3: S-1-5-21-699950680-3956470712-3012135405 (Please use your own sambaSID here :-) LDAP properties for new Samba users: sambaLogonScript: startup.bat sambaProfilePath: \\YOURDOMAIN-PDC\profiles\${USER} sambaHomePath: \\YOURDOMAIN-PDC\homes\${USER} sambaHomeDrive: X: LDAP object class for Samba groups: sambaGroupMapping Well I hope that helps others out to get webmin working. For now this will at least work with using the command line bulk-add scripts to add the largest population, then webmin for smaller changes. I will post out if I get a fix from Jamie. Or if anyone else tries this let me know if you can get the batch import to work. Also I found that to get default OSX settings out you can create a Library folder in /etc/skel and copy the files you want to default into that folder. Say you create a custom dock you can take Macintosh HD:Users:test user:Library:Preferences:com.apple.dock.plist and move it to /etc/skel/Library/Preferences/com.apple.dock.plist on the linux server and all new users will receive the custom dock. Also since OSX and Linux use the same desktop folder and same /home by default I will try to create scripts make the windows desktop point to /home/user/desktop and to point My Documents to /home/user. This should make profile roaming seamless between Ops. I think I can for the most part use the scripts posted in the last couple weeks. ----------------End post from August---------------- -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From LarryM at fsusd.k12.ca.us Tue Nov 1 15:45:40 2005 From: LarryM at fsusd.k12.ca.us (Larry Mateo) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 07:45:40 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Interesting question. . . Message-ID: Doug: If I understand your needs properly, the following may work: 1. On the DHCP server: configure a range of addresses to be available for devices on your 10.40.x.x subnet. 2. On the router between the subnets: configure an ip helper address that will allow DHCP broadcasts from the 10.40.x.x subnet to traverse the router and be relayed to the 192.168.x.x subnet. Some info on ip helper addresses (or use your favorite search engine to get more info): http://tcpmag.com/qanda/article.asp?editorialsid=336 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q190930/ Larry Mateo Network Technician II Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District larrym at fsusd.k12.ca.us >>> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us 11/1/2005 5:55 AM >>> Scenario: Workstation connected to a private lan behind a DHCP server handing out 192.168.x.x numbers. Public side of that server is on a 10.40.x.x number and the server I want the workstation to boot from is on the 10.40.x.x LAN. How can I make this happen? Did I lose you? Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Nov 1 15:50:24 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:50:24 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] killing Active Directory - direction needed for=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Samba/LDAP_?= instal In-Reply-To: References: <20051101015433.GA12292@majen.net> <4367308A.9010105@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <43678EC0.5090108@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, November 01, 2005 at 4:08 AM +0000 wrote: > >>It would be quite nice if the installer could offer the option to setup >>the machine as a BDC / >>SlaveLDAP server. I've setup several machine as slave's and it's reduced >>the load on our main LDAP >>server hugely. If you'd like to read what I've done have a look at >>http://www.chivers.info/Samba3-OpenLDAP-slave-server-config.html > > > Awesome idea...this is one of the things Matt and I talked about and > referred to the work you've done already. I have a few questions for you. > First of all...scripting the choice of Main LDAP or Slave LDAP should be > easy....it's simply a "fork" in the script....kind of an "if" "else" > scenario. My question is this.....are you doing this over a WAN....do you > have multiple locations? A Campus....or more spread out? One domain? Do > the home directories live only on the Main LDAP server or are you keeping > groups on different servers....???? How are you doing the home > directories? > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Its' all one big LAN but one of the guys on the HantsLUG I'm a member of has tried it acorss ADSL using OpenSWAN I think. All one domain the users home dirs live on the central server but things like our Intranet, shared area & admin shares are all on different servers. Does this answer your questions ?? Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 16:02:44 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:02:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: References: <20051101144532.19773.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560511010802g42b8abedxc1e4934b8459473a@mail.gmail.com> Do you absolutely need Codeweavers to run in a term server environment? Thanks, Peter On 11/1/05, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, November 01, 2005 at 9:45 AM +0000 wrote: > >I have personally used winetools > >(http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/) to get > >IE6 running on Mandrake 10.1 and it worked well. I > >tried using it on Ubuntu Hoary and it didn't work > >right for some reason and I gave up. Never tried it > >on Fedora. > > Barely works even when you get it running. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 16:19:30 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:19:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] killing Active Directory - direction needed In-Reply-To: References: <200511010401.jA141w410362@downeast.net> <92de6c880510312220o34e5f404o4bbfdfb8a2e776df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <92de6c880511010819k13e70e2anebd858907e514498@mail.gmail.com> On 11/1/05, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, November 01, 2005 at 1:20 AM +0000 wrote: > >I'm driving up Wednesday. I want to talk to everyone about tying > >Samba/LDAP users management to Moodle and SchoolTool using SIF, but > >that's probably more of a Breezy+1 goal if anything. > > > >--Tom > > Hook up with Matt and I....this should be quite easy Well, perhaps easy once we've written a new open source SIF integration server, but we've at least got a start on that now: http://sifsoft.com/public/home.html A little optimism is always helpful though, David :-) --Tom From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Nov 1 16:53:43 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 08:53:43 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] killing Active Directory - direction needed for Samba/LDAP installer In-Reply-To: <20051101150730.M84045@winonacotter.org> References: <20051101015433.GA12292@majen.net> <20051101150730.M84045@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <43679D97.1090200@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I did look into FDS like Eric mentioned. Wow! Looks like it would do > everything under the sun, all you need is a team of 12 highly trained > scientists and 6 months to get it configured. In my opinion this solution is > light years away from easy. Really? My initial impression was just the opposite, that FDS was easier to setup. I have not played with any of the advanced features in FDS, just a couple quick tests to see if it was even possible to replace my OpenLDAP servers. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Nov 1 17:13:06 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:13:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] killing Active Directory - direction needed for Samba/LDAP installer In-Reply-To: <43679D97.1090200@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20051101015433.GA12292@majen.net> <20051101150730.M84045@winonacotter.org> <43679D97.1090200@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20051101170338.M81782@winonacotter.org> > Really? My initial impression was just the opposite, that FDS was easier > to setup. > > I have not played with any of the advanced features in FDS, just a > couple quick tests to see if it was even possible to replace my OpenLDAP > servers. Maybe this was just ignorance on my part, but when I first heard of it I thought this would be as simple as a yum install fds or something similar. It has been a few months since I looked into it but I remeber it being very scary. It seamed a person had to be a wizard of LDAP to understand hwo to install and configure it. I am of course comparing to the SMB/LDAP install scripts where knowledge needed is minimal. I really liked the idea of using FDS, but at the time there was way too much knowledge involved and what didn't look like a prepackaged solution. I had initially assumed this was a yum install and use with a nice gui sort of application. Again my hold up was most likely a lack of knowledge and the fact I was looking for a quick turn key solution. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Nov 1 17:34:25 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:34:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] killing Active Directory - direction needed for Samba/LDAP installer In-Reply-To: <20051101170338.M81782@winonacotter.org> References: <20051101015433.GA12292@majen.net> <20051101150730.M84045@winonacotter.org> <43679D97.1090200@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20051101170338.M81782@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4367A721.7090700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> FDS has an RPM available & a script that is very much like the SMB/LDAP install script. (/opt/fedora-ds/setup/setup) -Eric Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Really? My initial impression was just the opposite, that FDS was easier >>to setup. >> >>I have not played with any of the advanced features in FDS, just a >>couple quick tests to see if it was even possible to replace my OpenLDAP >>servers. > > > Maybe this was just ignorance on my part, but when I first heard of it I > thought this would be as simple as a yum install fds or something similar. It > has been a few months since I looked into it but I remeber it being very > scary. It seamed a person had to be a wizard of LDAP to understand hwo to > install and configure it. I am of course comparing to the SMB/LDAP install > scripts where knowledge needed is minimal. > > I really liked the idea of using FDS, but at the time there was way too much > knowledge involved and what didn't look like a prepackaged solution. I had > initially assumed this was a yum install and use with a nice gui sort of > application. > > Again my hold up was most likely a lack of knowledge and the fact I was > looking for a quick turn key solution. > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Nov 1 17:46:50 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:46:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] killing Active Directory - direction=?ISO-8859-1?Q? needed ?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q? for ?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q? Samba/LDAP_?= instal In-Reply-To: <4367A721.7090700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20051101015433.GA12292@majen.net> < > <20051101150730.M84045@winonacotter.org> < > <43679D97.1090200@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <20051101170338.M81782@winonacotter.org> <4367A721.7090700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 at 12:34 PM +0000 wrote: > >FDS has an RPM available & a script that is very much like the SMB/LDAP >install script. (/opt/fedora-ds/setup/setup) > >-Eric BUT....my reading tells me that the Samba integration stuff is lacking....am I wrong? The LDAP is fine, but many of us need to have our cake and eat it too (or in the case of Windows...be eaten by it) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From nbs at sonic.net Tue Nov 1 19:15:45 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:15:45 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] pointer movement In-Reply-To: <1130809207.10926.146.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <1130809207.10926.146.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20051101191545.GA27317@sonic.net> On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 08:40:07PM -0500, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > If you use KDE, there is such an indicator. It can be configured to > give the "launching" indicator for anywhere between one and thirty > seconds. Indeed. And, if you're not using KDE and Kicker, and if for some reason Gnome 2 doens't do this (it sounds like it should...) or you're not running KDE or Gnome, you may be able to use Xalf, which was the solution that was around before KDE and Gnome had the launch feedback built-in. See: http://www.lysator.liu.se/~astrand/projects/xalf/ -bill! From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Nov 1 18:50:12 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:50:12 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Eric's script..killing Active Directory - direction needed Message-ID: <200511012057.jA1Kv6G23482@downeast.net> Eric: i took your original script and built it into an smbldap installer of sorts...chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Nov 1 19:27:30 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:27:30 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Autoconfiguring Proxy settings without visiting each machine or use of loginscripts Message-ID: <4367C1A2.4070102@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> I've had a proxy.pac file kicking around for a while that I created using info I read on the censornet forum. I've been thinking about how to use it for a while now without reconfiguring machine. Currently I use a login script to force the settings but we are setting up a couple of open hotspots outside of our network so login scripts aren't an option but I need to enforce proxy settings to control access slightly. I'd almost forgotten about the proxy.pac file until I was looking through some stuff on the smoothwall.org forum. I found a link about setting up auto proxy config and how to completely automate it. Have a look at this link as a start http://www.wlug.org.nz/WPAD The long and short of it is, create your proxy.pac file but save it as wpad.dat. Upload the file onto a server running something like apache into the root of your webserver. Add a mime type in a similar fashion to the .pac file but for .dat. Make sure you can access this file by pointing your browser at it. Now comes the bit I hadn't done or read about before Surprised Create a CNAME entry in your DNS for wpad.yourdomain.com to the server that you uploaded the file to. Now when you tick the auto detect proxy settings in IE or Firefox it should look for wpad.yourdomain.com/wpad.dat and configure the browser for you. Only tried it on IE quickly but seems to work. I expect most of you have already seen this but I thought there might be a few people out there that like me hadn't :-) Hope it helps someone Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Nov 1 19:19:37 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:19:37 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer and Ubuntu, EdUbuntu Message-ID: <200511012126.jA1LQVG28235@downeast.net> fwiw: my smbldap has six sites for the whole district.homedirs on a seperate fileserver and segregated by school and year.. so on fileserver there is /home/EHS/ /home/EMS /home/CCK etc for teachers abd /home/2006 /home/2007 etc..this is all scripted based on either input from csv or one at a time.. i have scripts built to addsinglestaff addmultiplestaff addsinglestudent addsinglestaff resetpwbyyear resetperms tied to a simple python gui i cotched together.. via ldapbrowser the directory is also broken out by year and staff by school..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From nbs at sonic.net Tue Nov 1 20:28:25 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:28:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: References: <236rb3rgdfbi288.271020051217@mail> <43610942.5020304@codeweavers.com> Message-ID: <20051101202825.GA31935@sonic.net> On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 10:10:27PM -0800, Dan Kegel wrote: > I just tested Kid Pix 4 school edition on wine. > The sound stutters, and it isn't as responsive as it should be. > All it needs is a little TLC from the Wine developers, though, > and it'll be running nicely, I bet. Is it even necessary? Tux Paint is turning out to be a great alternative, runs natively on Linux (including K12LTSP), Windows 95 thru XP and Mac OS X, and costs somewhere between $40USD and $80USD less. ;^) (It's also been translated to a 50+ more langauges than just Spanish.) -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Nov 1 20:35:55 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:35:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Unable to load network adapter. . . Message-ID: I have a bunch of computers, brand new, with integrated GB NICs and after starting to load, give a panic, unable to load network driver. It says if it is PCI it should be detected. I assume it is PCI since it is integrated. I have a bunch of these here and would like to be able to thin-boot them. Any ideas? They are Intel Motherboards so they aren't some obscure, wierd NICs. Thanks P.S. If you need me to get the adapter details, I will try. . . If they come with linux drivers, how would I go about adding them so the computers will net boot with them? Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Nov 1 20:37:30 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:37:30 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] How to lock screen In-Reply-To: <1249B1B01D2A444490F78C240418EA54739C53@dcedcf05.dccentral> References: <1249B1B01D2A444490F78C240418EA54739C53@dcedcf05.dccentral> Message-ID: You have to allow root to use the screensaver for that to work. If you must lock the screen, create a bogus account with very little abilities and login with that one and lock away. . . The other thing is never leave it logged in. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Jeffrey Myers wrote: > > > > > _____ > > From: Jeffrey Myers [mailto:JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us] > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 4:00 PM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: [K12OSN] How to lock screen > > > > Could anyone please advise how do you lock the screen on the server version > 4.2.1? When I select Actions Lock screen, it does nothing. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Jeffrey > > > > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Nov 1 20:41:25 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:41:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Interesting question. . . In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The server running DHCP is at 10.40.12.1 static on that LAN. The one I want them to boot from is 10.40.12.13 on that same LAN. They are connected to a server with10.40.12.2 static on that same LAN, which also runs a DHCP server (two interfaces). And the workstations are DHCP assigned in 192.168.0.x on the private lan. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, November 01, 2005 at 8:55 AM +0000 wrote: > >Scenario: > > > >Workstation connected to a private lan behind a DHCP server handing out > >192.168.x.x numbers. Public side of that server is on a 10.40.x.x number > >and the server I want the workstation to boot from is on the 10.40.x.x > >LAN. > > > >How can I make this happen? > > > >Did I lose you? > > One more detail.....how is the machine on the 10.0.0.x side geting it's IP > address? What is the DHCP server? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Nov 1 20:42:26 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:42:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Interesting question. . . In-Reply-To: <1130858265.9224.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1130858265.9224.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 07:55, Doug Simpson wrote: > > Scenario: > > > > Workstation connected to a private lan behind a DHCP server handing out > > 192.168.x.x numbers. Public side of that server is on a 10.40.x.x number > > and the server I want the workstation to boot from is on the 10.40.x.x > > LAN. > > > > How can I make this happen? > > This should be the same as any other situation where a different > DHCP server is used. You have to make it hand out the extra > options for 'next-server', 'filename' and 'root-path'. Do you > control that DHCP server? Yes, I control the DHCP server. Doug > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 21:08:50 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:08:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: <20051101202825.GA31935@sonic.net> References: <236rb3rgdfbi288.271020051217@mail> <43610942.5020304@codeweavers.com> <20051101202825.GA31935@sonic.net> Message-ID: On 11/1/05, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 10:10:27PM -0800, Dan Kegel wrote: > > I just tested Kid Pix 4 school edition on wine. > > The sound stutters, and it isn't as responsive as it should be. > > All it needs is a little TLC from the Wine developers, though, > > and it'll be running nicely, I bet. > > Is it even necessary? Tux Paint is turning out to be a great > alternative, runs natively on Linux (including K12LTSP), Windows 95 thru XP > and Mac OS X, and costs somewhere between $40USD and $80USD less. ;^) > > (It's also been translated to a 50+ more langauges than just Spanish.) My goal at this point is to raise the comfort level of schools about switching to Linux (see http://kegel.com/linux/comfort ). I'm overjoyed that Tux Paint might be a good replacement for Kid Pix. Can it load Kid Pix data files? I'll try it out soon. Kid Pix is, if nothing else, a good test case for Wine. - Dan From nbs at sonic.net Tue Nov 1 21:26:56 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:26:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: References: <236rb3rgdfbi288.271020051217@mail> <43610942.5020304@codeweavers.com> <20051101202825.GA31935@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20051101212656.GB2691@sonic.net> On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 01:08:50PM -0800, Dan Kegel wrote: > I'm overjoyed that Tux Paint might be a good replacement for Kid Pix. > Can it load Kid Pix data files? I'll try it out soon. You know...? That's an excellent question! Having never used Kid Pix, I have no idea! I've heard rumor that Kid Pix includes some support for animation, which is about the only feature Tux Paint lacks. (Then again, Tux Paint is a painting program... I've always had it in my mind to eventually create a full-fledged, Tux Paint-compatible animation program.) Aside from that, I suppose it's just a matter of figuring out what format Kid Pix stores its files in, and if it would be legal to create an import tool to handle it. Tux Paint, of course, uses PNG files and (at least on Linux) comes with an import tool so you can throw a collection of JPEGs, GIFs, or whatever at it, and they'll appear in Tux Paint's "Open" dialog. ;^) Anyone here have any idea what Kid Pix uses? -bill! From petre at maltzen.net Tue Nov 1 21:32:34 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:32:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: <20051101202825.GA31935@sonic.net> References: <236rb3rgdfbi288.271020051217@mail> <43610942.5020304@codeweavers.com> <20051101202825.GA31935@sonic.net> Message-ID: <4367DEF2.70700@maltzen.net> Hey Bill, Would it be possible to add a 'bomb' button under the Erasers that would erase the whole picture, complete with some sort of exploding animation and nifty explosion sound? My son likes both Tux Paint and Kid Pix; but he tends to favor KP because he'll spend hours making drawings and blowing them up just to see and hear the explosion (wonder where he gets that?). Of course, that may be of dubious educational value. Petre Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 10:10:27PM -0800, Dan Kegel wrote: > >>I just tested Kid Pix 4 school edition on wine. >>The sound stutters, and it isn't as responsive as it should be. >>All it needs is a little TLC from the Wine developers, though, >>and it'll be running nicely, I bet. > > > Is it even necessary? Tux Paint is turning out to be a great > alternative, runs natively on Linux (including K12LTSP), Windows 95 thru XP > and Mac OS X, and costs somewhere between $40USD and $80USD less. ;^) > > (It's also been translated to a 50+ more langauges than just Spanish.) > From les at futuresource.com Tue Nov 1 22:12:19 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:12:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Interesting question. . . In-Reply-To: References: <1130858265.9224.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1130883139.23701.394.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 14:42, Doug Simpson wrote: > On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 07:55, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > Scenario: > > > > > > Workstation connected to a private lan behind a DHCP server handing out > > > 192.168.x.x numbers. Public side of that server is on a 10.40.x.x number > > > and the server I want the workstation to boot from is on the 10.40.x.x > > > LAN. > > > > > > How can I make this happen? > > > > This should be the same as any other situation where a different > > DHCP server is used. You have to make it hand out the extra > > options for 'next-server', 'filename' and 'root-path'. Do you > > control that DHCP server? > > Yes, I control the DHCP server. If it is also an ltsp server, you have the option of copying the kernel you want to boot over there or setting all of the server-related settings to point to the server you want to use in either the subnet scope or a host-specific entry. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 22:57:06 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:57:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: <20051101212656.GB2691@sonic.net> References: <236rb3rgdfbi288.271020051217@mail> <43610942.5020304@codeweavers.com> <20051101202825.GA31935@sonic.net> <20051101212656.GB2691@sonic.net> Message-ID: <4367F2C2.2080709@gmail.com> Bill Kendrick wrote: >On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 01:08:50PM -0800, Dan Kegel wrote: > > >>I'm overjoyed that Tux Paint might be a good replacement for Kid Pix. >>Can it load Kid Pix data files? I'll try it out soon. >> >> > >You know...? That's an excellent question! Having never used Kid Pix, >I have no idea! > >I've heard rumor that Kid Pix includes some support for animation, which >is about the only feature Tux Paint lacks. (Then again, Tux Paint is >a painting program... I've always had it in my mind to eventually create >a full-fledged, Tux Paint-compatible animation program.) > >Aside from that, I suppose it's just a matter of figuring out what format >Kid Pix stores its files in, and if it would be legal to create an import >tool to handle it. > >Tux Paint, of course, uses PNG files and (at least on Linux) comes with >an import tool so you can throw a collection of JPEGs, GIFs, or whatever >at it, and they'll appear in Tux Paint's "Open" dialog. ;^) > >Anyone here have any idea what Kid Pix uses? > > TuxFantaVision(http://tinyurl.com/7ag2e) would be favourite! I remember my physics teacher using it to create 'multimedia' illustrations before the word was even coined. Here is a link to emulators to try it out: http://kegs.sourceforge.net/ To feed your A2 addiction more, check out Apple ][ Mania (http://radiovibrations.com/apple.htm) I can email anyone the system ROMs if they can't find them. -- Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting From robark at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 23:24:02 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 15:24:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Unable to load network adapter. . . In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11/1/05, Doug Simpson wrote: > I have a bunch of computers, brand new, with integrated GB NICs and after > starting to load, give a panic, unable to load network driver. > > It says if it is PCI it should be detected. I assume it is PCI since it > is integrated. > > I have a bunch of these here and would like to be able to thin-boot them. > > Any ideas? > > They are Intel Motherboards so they aren't some obscure, wierd NICs. > Let me guess. Marvell. Pain in the *ss. They have source drivers which you must compile into the kernel or as a module. I just bought a cheap $10 Realtek 8139 based card. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From wescott at sc.rr.com Tue Nov 1 23:53:55 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:53:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp client for vmware In-Reply-To: <1130801596.3462.69.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1130652875.22271.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1130732945.14175.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1130734887.2083.126.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1130797900.16488.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1130801596.3462.69.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1130889235.22141.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 17:33 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 16:31, Michael C Wescott wrote: > > An Xserver on windows would certainly be faster. Only where you want to > > run a Linux app locally would there be some utility. Is that the reason > > for the comment about teachertool? But if you're going that far, why not > > come up with a Vmware virtual machine that acts as a client? > > I think that's what I meant in the first place: a virtual machine that > PXE or etherboots to run as a thin client. You could install vmplayer > and copy this virtual machine on your windows boxes to run as a client > without having to reboot or lose access to windows apps. In that case there's no need to PXE boot, etherboot, or even use DHCP. The virtual machine would boot from it's own (virtual) disk and bring up its Xserver which would be configured to connect to a particular server using the Windows native IP address. From wescott at sc.rr.com Wed Nov 2 00:00:17 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:00:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp client for vmware In-Reply-To: <4366BA09.70203@gmail.com> References: <1130652875.22271.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1130732945.14175.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1130734887.2083.126.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1130797900.16488.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1130801596.3462.69.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <4366BA09.70203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1130889617.22141.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 16:42 -0800, Keith Olson wrote: > Les Mike sell wrote: >> On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 16:31, Michael C Wescott wrote: >>> And a Virtual machine that's a server might be good for demo purposes as >>> well. >> And testing. It should be legal to build a downloadable image of >> an installed server that anyone could use without much setup. You'd >> just have to be careful not to get a DHCP server running on the >> wrong network. Running on an odd port might work. > Hmmmmm..... Would it be possible to have /two/ sessions running on the > same computer? I'm thinking that for demoing purposes, having the > server running on one monitor and the thin client on another would > /really/ demonstrate LTSP's flexibility, as well as making setting up a > demo a breeze. With a Vmware GSX server it's possible to run several virtual machines at once. The last time I checked it wasn't possible with the Workstation version and my guess is that it's not possible with the player either. And generally the monitors are virtual too, just a window on the native OS. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Nov 2 00:17:08 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:17:08 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] killing Active Directory - direction=?ISO-8859-1?Q? needed ?= for Samba/LDAP instal In-Reply-To: References: <20051101015433.GA12292@majen.net> < > <20051101150730.M84045@winonacotter.org> < > <43679D97.1090200@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <20051101170338.M81782@winonacotter.org> <4367A721.7090700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43680584.50508@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, November 01, 2005 at 12:34 PM +0000 wrote: > >>FDS has an RPM available & a script that is very much like the SMB/LDAP >>install script. (/opt/fedora-ds/setup/setup) >> >>-Eric > > > BUT....my reading tells me that the Samba integration stuff is > lacking....am I wrong? The LDAP is fine, but many of us need to have our > cake and eat it too (or in the case of Windows...be eaten by it) > > Keep in mind that FDS is currently a work-in-progress of merging the Netscape Directory Server into Linux. The first release may not have been integrated with Samba out-of-the-box, but I wouldn't be too shocked if the next release did include the Samba schema by default. Even in the first release, integrating FDS & Samba is not too much different than integrating OpenLDAP & Samba: http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Howto:Samba FDS is not a 100%-clean drop-in replacement for OpenLDAP, at least not yet. But it is not too far off. In the little bit of playing around with it that I did, it didn't take me too long (2-3hours?) to have my entire OpenLDAP database (15,000 accounts) imported into FDS & integrated with Samba, OSX, etc. No major trauma. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From luis.montes at cox.net Wed Nov 2 01:41:35 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:41:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp client for vmware In-Reply-To: <1130889617.22141.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1130652875.22271.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1130732945.14175.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1130734887.2083.126.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1130797900.16488.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1130801596.3462.69.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <4366BA09.70203@gmail.com> <1130889617.22141.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4368194F.6050505@cox.net> I'm running multiple virtual machines on both the player and workstation 5.0 Luis Michael C Wescott wrote: >With a Vmware GSX server it's possible to run several virtual machines >at once. The last time I checked it wasn't possible with the Workstation >version and my guess is that it's not possible with the player either. >And generally the monitors are virtual too, just a window on the native >OS. > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From dprentice at sstar.com Wed Nov 2 01:30:31 2005 From: dprentice at sstar.com (Dave Prentice) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:30:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] School administration software Message-ID: Hello all, Maybe there have been discussions about this, but I've been out of touch because of Hurricane Katrina. My school (www.ccchristian.com) is in a suburb of New Orleans. We've been using "School Minder" for administrative purposes -- attendance, grading, reports, cafeteria -- the whole range of school needs. We were closed for six weeks due to the hurricane. During that time, due to stupidity on the part of cleanup crews, our server and several other (undamaged) computers were discarded, so we have to start from scratch. I would love to talk the powers that be into letting us switch to Linux, but all they know is Windows. It would really help if I could present a testimonial. Does anybody know of a school that is actually using a Linux (or other open source) alternative to School Minder to run their school? Thanks, Dave Prentice prentice at instruction.com From tlegge at rogers.com Wed Nov 2 02:18:19 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:18:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with 4.4.1, nas, SDL In-Reply-To: <20051012222618.GB30264@fpcc.net> References: <20051011172450.GB18709@fpcc.net> <20051012222618.GB30264@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <436821EB.50702@rogers.com> Calvin Dodge wrote: > FWIW, the solution I arrived at was to switch back to esd. > > Now Gcompris, childsplay, etc. work fine on the home system > AND at the school I occasionally do work for. > > Calvin Hi Calvin I am having the same issue that you mentioned in the previous email. It looks like the nas daemon dies on the client. However, while you get sound in tuxmath, tuxpaint etc I do not. My sound works fine in flash. Do you have any special steps that you did to get it to work? Tim From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 2 02:31:49 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 20:31:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp client for vmware In-Reply-To: <1130889235.22141.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1130652875.22271.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1130732945.14175.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1130734887.2083.126.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1130797900.16488.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1130801596.3462.69.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1130889235.22141.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1130898709.10530.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 17:53, Michael C Wescott wrote: > > > An Xserver on windows would certainly be faster. Only where you want to > > > run a Linux app locally would there be some utility. Is that the reason > > > for the comment about teachertool? But if you're going that far, why not > > > come up with a Vmware virtual machine that acts as a client? > > > > I think that's what I meant in the first place: a virtual machine that > > PXE or etherboots to run as a thin client. You could install vmplayer > > and copy this virtual machine on your windows boxes to run as a client > > without having to reboot or lose access to windows apps. > > In that case there's no need to PXE boot, etherboot, or even use DHCP. > The virtual machine would boot from it's own (virtual) disk and bring up > its Xserver which would be configured to connect to a particular server > using the Windows native IP address. You could, but it wouldn't be as much fun and you'd eventually have to update your installed image. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Wed Nov 2 02:04:43 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:04:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] School administration software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200511020239.jA22dfiu008424@mx3.redhat.com> Dave, >From experience, I would personally say there are no real production stable open source equivalent Student Information System databases out there yet. People will talk about Centre and OpenAdmin as solutions...but they didn't even come close to the needs we had in our school district. I wholeheartedly recommend PowerSchool or iPASS (which runs on a Linux server) because they are web based and any computer running that has access to the Internet can access the database. They aren't platform dependent systems. The way to go is web based if you can go that route. Besides, for some things open source isn't the answer. I would rather trust a name brand that offered technical support tailored to my personal technical problems and whitepapers with my Student Information System than open source community with threads that I can post too and hope I get help. I am all about open source and Linux, but some things just aren't ready. Sorry open source advocates. Hope this helps. -Paul Paul VanGundy Technology Coordinator Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dave Prentice Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 8:31 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] School administration software Hello all, Maybe there have been discussions about this, but I've been out of touch because of Hurricane Katrina. My school (www.ccchristian.com) is in a suburb of New Orleans. We've been using "School Minder" for administrative purposes -- attendance, grading, reports, cafeteria -- the whole range of school needs. We were closed for six weeks due to the hurricane. During that time, due to stupidity on the part of cleanup crews, our server and several other (undamaged) computers were discarded, so we have to start from scratch. I would love to talk the powers that be into letting us switch to Linux, but all they know is Windows. It would really help if I could present a testimonial. Does anybody know of a school that is actually using a Linux (or other open source) alternative to School Minder to run their school? Thanks, Dave Prentice prentice at instruction.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Nov 2 03:25:05 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:25:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer and Ubuntu, EdUbuntu In-Reply-To: <200511012126.jA1LQVG28235@downeast.net> References: <200511012126.jA1LQVG28235@downeast.net> Message-ID: <20051102032209.M15911@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:19:37 GMT, cliebow wrote > fwiw: my smbldap has six sites for the whole district.homedirs on a > seperate fileserver and segregated by school and year.. > so on fileserver there is /home/EHS/ /home/EMS /home/CCK etc for teachers > abd /home/2006 /home/2007 etc..this is all scripted based on either input > from csv or one at a time.. > i have scripts built to addsinglestaff addmultiplestaff addsinglestudent > addsinglestaff resetpwbyyear resetperms tied to a simple python gui i > cotched together.. > via ldapbrowser the directory is also broken out by year and staff by > school..chuck Maybe you need to get to the meeting with David so he can help with documenting your progress :-) I saw your first version of the gui, from what I remember it looked very easy to decipher and make additions to. I think many could benefit from some good documentation of your work. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Nov 2 03:37:17 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:37:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: <20051101212656.GB2691@sonic.net> References: <236rb3rgdfbi288.271020051217@mail> <43610942.5020304@codeweavers.com> <20051101202825.GA31935@sonic.net> <20051101212656.GB2691@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20051102033216.M72258@winonacotter.org> > You know...? That's an excellent question! Having never used Kid > Pix, I have no idea! > > I've heard rumor that Kid Pix includes some support for animation, which > is about the only feature Tux Paint lacks. (Then again, Tux Paint is > a painting program... I've always had it in my mind to eventually create > a full-fledged, Tux Paint-compatible animation program.) > > Aside from that, I suppose it's just a matter of figuring out what format > Kid Pix stores its files in, and if it would be legal to create an import > tool to handle it. > > Tux Paint, of course, uses PNG files and (at least on Linux) comes with > an import tool so you can throw a collection of JPEGs, GIFs, or whatever > at it, and they'll appear in Tux Paint's "Open" dialog. ;^) > > Anyone here have any idea what Kid Pix uses? Hey Bill, do you have a mac that could run OS9? I could send you a copy of Kid Pix to play with. We no longer use our OS9 licenses any more and the CD's are sitting idle. Heck if you want I can even send you a iMac to play with. Not sure if you are interested in even checking it out but it may give you some ideas. It seems like Kid Pix is the software for you to beat/replace. I for one would love to see you take the market here (Kid Pix is an annoyance for me in 7 schools I want to switch over to K12LTSP). For the most part what I see teachers use it for can be completely covered by Tux Paint. But the animation feature is one of those must have features when talk of a replacement software comes up. Let me know if your game :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Nov 2 04:02:16 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:02:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Add your site to the LTSP/K12LTSP map In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20051102040003.M86104@winonacotter.org> > Hey guys, > > Please take a look at the frapper map at http://www.k12ltsp.com, and > add your site(s). > > It's easy, and it will give people an idea of the widespread > adoption of LTSP in the world. > > Thanks, > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org I also urge anyone to do so. This map has grown tremendously in the last week. I am already amazed at how many installations have been posted in my area. This will be an excellent tool for convincing schools/businesses in the future to switch/augment their systems. Even if you simply run this at home or a small office it is nice to see more usage. Post your site whether school related or not. Thanks in advance for your efforts. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Nov 2 04:03:47 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:03:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] School administration software Message-ID: <20051101210347.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.82c2bd03fb.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> You may want to take a look at Centre, http://www.miller-group.net/ . It is opensource software and they offer professional support. Good luck searching. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] School administration software > From: "Dave Prentice" > Date: Tue, November 01, 2005 7:30 pm > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Hello all, > Maybe there have been discussions about this, but I've been out of > touch because of Hurricane Katrina. My school (www.ccchristian.com) is > in a suburb of New Orleans. We've been using "School Minder" for > administrative purposes -- attendance, grading, reports, cafeteria -- > the whole range of school needs. > We were closed for six weeks due to the hurricane. During that > time, due to stupidity on the part of cleanup crews, our server and > several other (undamaged) computers were discarded, so we have to > start from scratch. I would love to talk the powers that be into > letting us switch to Linux, but all they know is Windows. It would > really help if I could present a testimonial. Does anybody know of a > school that is actually using a Linux (or other open source) > alternative to School Minder to run their school? > Thanks, > Dave Prentice > prentice at instruction.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Nov 2 04:30:18 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 20:30:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Add your site to the LTSP/K12LTSP, map Message-ID: <436840DA.6010902@snarlnet.com> >> Hey guys, >>> >>> Please take a look at the frapper map at http://www.k12ltsp.com, and >>>add your site(s). >>> >>> It's easy, and it will give people an idea of the widespread >>> adoption of LTSP in the world. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Jim McQuillan >>> jam at Ltsp.org > > > >I also urge anyone to do so. This map has grown tremendously in the last >week. I am already amazed at how many installations have been posted in my >area. This will be an excellent tool for convincing schools/businesses in >the future to switch/augment their systems. > >Even if you simply run this at home or a small office it is nice to see more >usage. Post your site whether school related or not. > >Thanks in advance for your efforts. > Oh man, I took this to heart and added my little 2-bit home site and I covered up Riverdale HS on the map! I didn't know that would happen. Someone please delete my pathetic addition! Thanks, Carl Keil From robark at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 04:38:08 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:38:08 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Add your site to the LTSP/K12LTSP, map In-Reply-To: <436840DA.6010902@snarlnet.com> References: <436840DA.6010902@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: On 11/1/05, Carl Keil wrote: > Oh man, I took this to heart and added my little 2-bit home site and I > covered up Riverdale HS on the map! I didn't know that would happen. Just zoom in. Nothing is covered up. BTW anyone know how to add a photo or edit the text after you have already put it up? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jam at mcquil.com Wed Nov 2 04:36:36 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:36:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Add your site to the LTSP/K12LTSP, map In-Reply-To: <436840DA.6010902@snarlnet.com> References: <436840DA.6010902@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: Don't worry about it. If you zoom in close enough, it'll show the individual entries. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Carl Keil wrote: > > > >> Hey guys, > > > > > > > > > Please take a look at the frapper map at http://www.k12ltsp.com, and add > > > > your site(s). > > > > > > > > It's easy, and it will give people an idea of the widespread adoption of > > > > LTSP in the world. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim McQuillan > > > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > I also urge anyone to do so. This map has grown tremendously in the last > > week. I am already amazed at how many installations have been posted in my > > area. This will be an excellent tool for convincing schools/businesses in > > the future to switch/augment their systems. > > > > Even if you simply run this at home or a small office it is nice to see more > > usage. Post your site whether school related or not. > > > > Thanks in advance for your efforts. > > > > Oh man, I took this to heart and added my little 2-bit home site and I covered > up Riverdale HS on the map! I didn't know that would happen. > Someone please delete my pathetic addition! > Thanks, > > Carl Keil > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From tim at litwiller.net Wed Nov 2 04:59:35 2005 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:59:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need some software to automate the recess buzzers Message-ID: <436847B7.6030604@litwiller.net> I'd like to setup a computer at a small school - ( that currently has no computers) and they also need some way to automate the beginning and end of day and reccess buzzers. Is there some software that is available to run on a K12LTSP that could do this? I'm hoping that by having a ltsp server maybe they will start with doing typeing classes with some terminals and work them into more as they get used to the idea. From robark at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 05:03:09 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:03:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] School administration software In-Reply-To: <200511020239.jA22dfiu008424@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200511020239.jA22dfiu008424@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: On 11/1/05, Paul VanGundy wrote: > systems. The way to go is web based if you can go that route. Besides, for I agree. > some things open source isn't the answer. I would rather trust a name brand > that offered technical support tailored to my personal technical problems > and whitepapers with my Student Information System than open source > community with threads that I can post too and hope I get help. Don't forget that there are many Open Source projects that have the traditional community support (like this list) but also offer commercial pay support for those who need it and can afford it. There are more benefits to Open Source. If for example you are a large company/organization and need some software to be modified/customized then you can hire programmers to make it exactly the way you need it. You are not obligated to pass on those modifications unless you redistribute. Good luck trying to get a commercial (binary only) company to customize there software for just for 1 client. Not to mention what happens to your support when that software company goes belly up. It can happen. These are some of the arguments Massachusetts is using in it's adoption of the OASIS ODF (OOo 2.0). -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 05:32:02 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:32:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Add your site to the LTSP/K12LTSP, map In-Reply-To: References: <436840DA.6010902@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: > Just zoom in. Nothing is covered up. > BTW anyone know how to add a photo or edit the text after you have > already put it up? My understanding is 1. If you add yourself again with a photo, it just adds the photo and there's only one listing (I'm guessing you have to type the name exactly the same) 2. If you add yourself and another "shout-out" it just adds the "shout-out" text that that which is already there 3. If you really feel you have messed up, just email me and as the administrator, I remove your listing and you can start over. Limited administrative functions, but I am hoping they will improve... Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 05:33:53 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:33:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Add your site to the LTSP/K12LTSP map In-Reply-To: <20051102040003.M86104@winonacotter.org> References: <20051102040003.M86104@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: > I also urge anyone to do so. This map has grown tremendously in the last > week. I am already amazed at how many installations have been posted in my > area. This will be an excellent tool for convincing schools/businesses in > the future to switch/augment their systems. > > Even if you simply run this at home or a small office it is nice to see more > usage. Post your site whether school related or not. > > Thanks in advance for your efforts. Yes, I talked to one company with 30 offices using LTSP, and I said *I* would enter them in for them if they don't want to... still waiting to hear... But I don't think it would be unreasonable for us to expect to double or triple our current sites pretty quickly. Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com From opensource at whitenitro.com Wed Nov 2 05:49:09 2005 From: opensource at whitenitro.com (Bryant Patten) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 00:49:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Education mini conference Message-ID: <0528751dff3ebd2d92838c95abae1535@whitenitro.com> Hello - I am organizing this year's Education mini-conference at the Australian and New Zealand national Linux conference (linux.conf.au 2006). I was wondering if anyone on this list would be going down to New Zealand for this conference and, if so, whether you might be interested in speaking at my Education mini-conference that precedes it. The details and call for presentations at the mini-conference can be viewed at: http://education.miniconf.org The general conference website is: http://lca2006.linux.org.au/ Unfortunately, there is no money available to assist with travel and I am required to only have speakers that are registered for the conference. But in case any of you were already going to the main conference, I wanted to make sure you were invited to speak about your experience with FOSS, K12LTSP and education. Thanks! Bryant From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 06:50:22 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:50:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] I need some software to automate the recess buzzers In-Reply-To: <436847B7.6030604@litwiller.net> References: <436847B7.6030604@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <436861AE.1040201@gmail.com> Tim Litwiller wrote: > I'd like to setup a computer at a small school - ( that currently has > no computers) and they also need some way to automate the beginning > and end of day and reccess buzzers. Is there some software that is > available to run on a K12LTSP that could do this? I'm hoping that by > having a ltsp server maybe they will start with doing typeing classes > with some terminals and work them into more as they get used to the idea. That sounds like a job for..... SUPER CRON!!! (Sorry, couldn't resist.) Seriously though, you could have a job that 'printed' something on an otherwise unused parallel port whenever you wanted a bell to ring, and hook up a relay to one of the output pins. The relay could do anything from ringing an actual bell to (with a bit of soldering) replacing/parallelling a switch if your bells are electronic. -- Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting From nbs at sonic.net Wed Nov 2 07:19:22 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:19:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: <20051102033216.M72258@winonacotter.org> References: <236rb3rgdfbi288.271020051217@mail> <43610942.5020304@codeweavers.com> <20051101202825.GA31935@sonic.net> <20051101212656.GB2691@sonic.net> <20051102033216.M72258@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20051102071922.GE31956@sonic.net> On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 09:37:17PM -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Hey Bill, do you have a mac that could run OS9? I could send you a copy of > Kid Pix to play with. We no longer use our OS9 licenses any more and the > CD's are sitting idle. Heck if you want I can even send you a iMac to play > with. Not sure if you are interested in even checking it out but it may > give you some ideas. I've got an iMac donated to me by another Tux4Kids fellow, but it was refurbished and a LOT of the system software is missing. It has OS X on it, but I couldn't get it 'reinstalled' at the Apple store, and haven't felt like investing ~$140 on something for such an old, slow iMac that I just haven't had the time to use. :^/ I'm GUESSING it can run OS 9 stuff (isn't that just a feature of OS X?), so it might be worth a shot. > It seems like Kid Pix is the software for you to beat/replace. I for one > would love to see you take the market here (Kid Pix is an annoyance for me > in 7 schools I want to switch over to K12LTSP). Funny you mention it. I've heard many people say (including people who were reviewing Tux Paint in magazines/websites) that TP is the best thing to use as a replacement for Kid Pix, because the old Kid Pix didn't work on OS X, and they were taking so long to make a new version. It seems now that there are two versions of Kid Pix for OS X. The non-Broderbund one got far better reviews. The sad thing is, the magazine reviewing it (Childrens Software Revue) had certain complaints about both versions, and Tux Paint pretty much covered all of it! Grr!!! > For the most part what I see teachers use it for can be completely covered > by Tux Paint. But the animation feature is one of those must have features > when talk of a replacement software comes up. Weird. I wonder, has anyone thought of simply replacing Kid Pix with Tux Paint plus an animation program? For example, this Stop Motion tool? http://developer.skolelinux.no/info/studentgrupper/2005-hig-stopmotion/ > Let me know if your game :-) Okay, sure, I am. I'll send you my postal address off-list. I should get _some_ use out of this Mac. I feel bad letting it just sit here collecting dust. :^/ -bill! From nbs at sonic.net Wed Nov 2 07:30:08 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:30:08 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: <4367DEF2.70700@maltzen.net> References: <236rb3rgdfbi288.271020051217@mail> <43610942.5020304@codeweavers.com> <20051101202825.GA31935@sonic.net> <4367DEF2.70700@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20051102073008.GA4945@sonic.net> On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 03:32:34PM -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > Hey Bill, > Would it be possible to add a 'bomb' button under the Erasers that would > erase the whole picture, complete with some sort of exploding animation and > nifty explosion sound? Heh, that was one of the first thing people told me that Tux Paint lacked, and that Kid Pix had. And they were always HAPPY Tux Paint lacked it! ;^) > My son likes both Tux Paint and Kid Pix; but he > tends to favor KP because he'll spend hours making drawings and blowing > them up just to see and hear the explosion (wonder where he gets that?). > Of course, that may be of dubious educational value. Yeah, that's why it never occured to me to add such a feature. :^) But hey, maybe in some upcoming version. (With, of course, an option to disable it ;^) ) As a kid, things that were over stylized for kids, or "wacky for the sake of being wacky" annoyed me. It made me think: "man, adults just don't get it!" ;^) So when I made Tux Paint, I tried to make it fun, but not too in-your-face. I've seen some recent screenshots of Kid Pix in magazines, and it really looks kind of confusing and over-the-top. :^) -bill! From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 08:51:04 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 00:51:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: <20051102073008.GA4945@sonic.net> References: <236rb3rgdfbi288.271020051217@mail> <43610942.5020304@codeweavers.com> <20051101202825.GA31935@sonic.net> <4367DEF2.70700@maltzen.net> <20051102073008.GA4945@sonic.net> Message-ID: Bill, Kid Pix Deluxe 3 for Windows sells for $0.01 on Amazon used, see http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00002DH9W Live a little, buy a copy :-) - Dan From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Nov 2 10:33:30 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:33:30 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer and Ubuntu, EdUbuntu Message-ID: <200511021240.jA2CeJn18493@downeast.net> nice to hear from you just th same...i commented the scripts..and can check with Jim if iy is apropriate on the ltsp wiki...chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 2 11:22:34 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 03:22:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051102112234.69386.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- David Trask wrote: > Barely works even when you get it running. Meaning internet explorer barely works, or winetools barely works? For winetools to work right, you're supposed to use an older version of wine that it was fine-tuned for. You could also try this: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/ I had some luck with it. Unfortunately I can't confirm whether it works completely, because the website that my mother "needs" it for is completely unreliable--so I never know if the problems I'm having are on my end or their end. -Rob __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From veewee77 at alltel.net Wed Nov 2 12:58:02 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 06:58:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need some software to automate the recess buzzers In-Reply-To: <436861AE.1040201@gmail.com> References: <436847B7.6030604@litwiller.net> <436861AE.1040201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4368B7DA.5000209@alltel.net> Actually, there is a simple little program that is very simple to use called lptout. I am not sure where to get it, but I can give you a copy of it. You just issue a command: lptout n where n is a number between 0 and 255 and it will turn on or off the data pins on the parallel port. The pins could be programmed for lots of things using cron jobs or even just manual scripts. I haven't played with it much, but it works good during crude tests I did. Notice! If you get it, make sure you know how to connect to the parallel port because incorrect connections can damage the port and if it is integrated. . . Doug Keith Olson wrote: > Tim Litwiller wrote: > >> I'd like to setup a computer at a small school - ( that currently has >> no computers) and they also need some way to automate the beginning >> and end of day and reccess buzzers. Is there some software that is >> available to run on a K12LTSP that could do this? I'm hoping that by >> having a ltsp server maybe they will start with doing typeing classes >> with some terminals and work them into more as they get used to the >> idea. > > > That sounds like a job for..... SUPER CRON!!! (Sorry, couldn't > resist.) Seriously though, you could have a job that 'printed' > something on an otherwise unused parallel port whenever you wanted a > bell to ring, and hook up a relay to one of the output pins. The > relay could do anything from ringing an actual bell to (with a bit of > soldering) replacing/parallelling a switch if your bells are electronic. > From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Nov 2 13:12:43 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 13:12:43 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] ldapadmin--smbldap-installer Message-ID: <200511021519.jA2FJVn07282@downeast.net> Starting to put up some of my kludges on wiki.ltsp.org under Protocols-->ldap chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From webmaster at vol.org Wed Nov 2 14:02:07 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 08:02:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Autoconfiguring Proxy settings without visiting each machine or use of loginscripts In-Reply-To: <4367C1A2.4070102@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <4367C1A2.4070102@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1130940127.5046.2.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 13:27, Brian Chivers wrote: > Only tried it on IE quickly but seems to work. I expect most of you have > already seen this but I thought there might be a few people out there > that like me hadn't :-) I had to do this here to get automatic updates for W2K to work. For some stupid reason, the auto update completely ignores whatever proxy settings you put in through the control panel or within IE itself. None of the Windows machines were updating until I did the WPAD trick. -- george kocke http://www.vol.org From webmaster at vol.org Wed Nov 2 14:09:34 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 08:09:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] School administration software In-Reply-To: <200511020239.jA22dfiu008424@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200511020239.jA22dfiu008424@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1130940574.5046.7.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 20:04, Paul VanGundy wrote: > I wholeheartedly recommend PowerSchool or iPASS (which runs on a Linux > server) because they are web based and any computer running that has access > to the Internet can access the database. I was looking at PowerSchool last year to replace our DOS based program for Catholic schools (PDS). I liked PowerSchool, but the problem last summer was that the gradebook application was not web based and was for Windows or Mac OSX only. Do you know if this is still the case? PowerSchool was not the right program for us anyway. We went with the Windows upgrade for PDS as we didn't have to do any data conversion at all. Now I just have to find a way of getting a Windows based gradebook program to run under Linux. -- george kocke http://www.vol.org From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Wed Nov 2 14:18:59 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 08:18:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Add your site to the LTSP/K12LTSP map In-Reply-To: <20051102040237.0A213731F6@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051102040237.0A213731F6@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4368CAD3.6020308@honeygroveisd.net> > >>> Hey guys, >>> >>> Please take a look at the frapper map at http://www.k12ltsp.com, and >>> add your site(s). >>> >>> It's easy, and it will give people an idea of the widespread >>> adoption of LTSP in the world. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Jim McQuillan >>> jam at Ltsp.org >> >> > >I also urge anyone to do so. This map has grown tremendously in the last >week. I am already amazed at how many installations have been posted in my >area. This will be an excellent tool for convincing schools/businesses in >the future to switch/augment their systems. > >Even if you simply run this at home or a small office it is nice to see more >usage. Post your site whether school related or not. > >Thanks in advance for your efforts. > Only three sites in the entire state of Texas? That can't be right. C-ya, Mark ____ The United States has never lost a war in which mules were used. From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 2 14:27:34 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 06:27:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: <20051102112234.69386.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051102142734.47096.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> and I just found this site, explaining how to run IE6 on FC3. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/23/2005/02/4/282632 -Rob --- Rob Owens wrote: > --- David Trask wrote: > > Barely works even when you get it running. > > Meaning internet explorer barely works, or winetools > barely works? For winetools to work right, you're > supposed to use an older version of wine that it was > fine-tuned for. > > You could also try this: > http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/ > > I had some luck with it. Unfortunately I can't > confirm whether it works completely, because the > website that my mother "needs" it for is completely > unreliable--so I never know if the problems I'm > having > are on my end or their end. > > -Rob > > > > __________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Nov 2 14:30:36 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:30:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Both USB and Floppy? Message-ID: <45186.10.10.5.2.1130941836.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> I think it's been discussed before -- is it possible to use both a floppy drive AND a USB drive on a thin client? (Using MToolsFM) ? I have a secretary, who happens to be the biggest advocate for Linux in our district, that really wants to use both, since the school camera has floppy disks for film. I would REALLY like to oblige her. :) How do you do such a thing? Is it indeed possible? I'm using K12LTSP 4.1, and currently have USB local drive support. Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From cgn41 at vpsb.k12.la.us Wed Nov 2 13:01:17 2005 From: cgn41 at vpsb.k12.la.us (Andreas Shepard) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:01:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] School administration software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200511020701.17074.cgn41@vpsb.k12.la.us> Dave, since your in the state of LA you need to check with this company located in Shreveport their name is Edgear you can reach their web site at this address http://www.edgear.com/laver.html I hope this helps On Tuesday 01 November 2005 07:30 pm, Dave Prentice wrote: > Hello all, > Maybe there have been discussions about this, but I've been out of > touch because of Hurricane Katrina. My school (www.ccchristian.com) is > in a suburb of New Orleans. We've been using "School Minder" for > administrative purposes -- attendance, grading, reports, cafeteria -- > the whole range of school needs. > We were closed for six weeks due to the hurricane. During that > time, due to stupidity on the part of cleanup crews, our server and > several other (undamaged) computers were discarded, so we have to > start from scratch. I would love to talk the powers that be into > letting us switch to Linux, but all they know is Windows. It would > really help if I could present a testimonial. Does anybody know of a > school that is actually using a Linux (or other open source) > alternative to School Minder to run their school? > Thanks, > Dave Prentice > prentice at instruction.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Andreas Shepard Network Administrator Vernon Parish School System 337-239-1662 From mark at ehle.homelinux.org Wed Nov 2 14:30:29 2005 From: mark at ehle.homelinux.org (mark at ehle.homelinux.org) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:30:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Both USB and Floppy? In-Reply-To: <45186.10.10.5.2.1130941836.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <45186.10.10.5.2.1130941836.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1130941829.4368cd853fa8a@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> Buy her a USB camera. Quoting Shawn Powers : > I think it's been discussed before -- is it possible to use both a floppy > drive AND a USB drive on a thin client? (Using MToolsFM) ? > > I have a secretary, who happens to be the biggest advocate for Linux in > our district, that really wants to use both, since the school camera has > floppy disks for film. I would REALLY like to oblige her. :) > > How do you do such a thing? Is it indeed possible? I'm using K12LTSP > 4.1, and currently have USB local drive support. > > Thanks, > -Shawn > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, > forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation > ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or > anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. > Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should > be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Nov 2 15:06:34 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 10:06:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Autoconfiguring Proxy settings without visiting each=?ISO-8859-1?Q? machine_?= or u In-Reply-To: <1130940127.5046.2.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <4367C1A2.4070102@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <1130940127.5046.2.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wed Nov 2 2005 at 09:02 +0000 wrote: >I had to do this here to get automatic updates for W2K to work. For some >stupid reason, the auto update completely ignores whatever proxy >settings you put in through the control panel or within IE itself. None >of the Windows machines were updating until I did the WPAD trick. This is easy in Firefox ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Nov 2 15:09:44 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 10:09:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] killing Active Directory - direction=?ISO-8859-1?Q? needed_?= for Samba/LDAP in In-Reply-To: <43680584.50508@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20051101015433.GA12292@majen.net> < > < > < > <20051101150730.M84045@winonacotter.org> < > < > < > <43679D97.1090200@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> < > < > < > <20051101170338.M81782@winonacotter.org> < > <4367A721.7090700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <43680584.50508@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: I must admit...going back to revisit the FDS site (last time was July or so)....it appears to have matured quite nicely. I think Matt and I will be having a conversation about this on the way to Montreal...it may be worth revisiting. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tue Nov 1 2005 at 19:17 +0000 wrote: > > >FDS is not a 100%-clean drop-in replacement for OpenLDAP, at least not >yet. But it is not too far off. In the little bit of playing around with >it that I did, it didn't take me too long (2-3hours?) to have my entire >OpenLDAP database (15,000 accounts) imported into FDS & integrated with >Samba, OSX, etc. No major trauma. > >-Eric David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Wed Nov 2 14:35:15 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:35:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] School administration software In-Reply-To: <1130940574.5046.7.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: <200511021506.jA2F6N3Y029087@mx3.redhat.com> George, The grade book application is now web based. The reason we are leaning more towards PowerSchool is because it is very robust and I don't see Apple going out of business anytime soon Not because of the success of OS X, but because the iPods are a craze still and keeping Apple alive. Plus with the advent of Mac OS X running on Intel based PCs I think an increase in Mac OS X usage will rise. I for one am not a Mac fan, even though it is *nix based. That's another story though... PowerSchool is very versatile and runs on both Windows and Mac servers...doesn't run on a Linux server yet. The representative I had talked to from PowerSchool made it sound like they are creating a version that will run on Linux servers. However, because PowerSchool is web based it isn't platform dependant. No matter what SIS your district is looking at, I highly highly highly highly recommend going web based. -Paul Paul VanGundy Technology Coordinator Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of george kocke Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 9:10 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] School administration software On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 20:04, Paul VanGundy wrote: > I wholeheartedly recommend PowerSchool or iPASS (which runs on a Linux > server) because they are web based and any computer running that has access > to the Internet can access the database. I was looking at PowerSchool last year to replace our DOS based program for Catholic schools (PDS). I liked PowerSchool, but the problem last summer was that the gradebook application was not web based and was for Windows or Mac OSX only. Do you know if this is still the case? PowerSchool was not the right program for us anyway. We went with the Windows upgrade for PDS as we didn't have to do any data conversion at all. Now I just have to find a way of getting a Windows based gradebook program to run under Linux. -- george kocke http://www.vol.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Nov 2 15:15:30 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 10:15:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer and Ubuntu, EdUbuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Shahms had mentioned to both Matt and I at one point about writing the "authconfig" for Debian (Ubuntu). Matt has a curses based one right now, but it'd be nice to have something a little more user and newbie friendly for joining Debian based machines to an LDAP domain. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Mon Oct 31 2005 at 22:52 +0000 wrote: >On Mon, 31 Oct 2005, David Trask wrote: > >> Hi all, >> To follow up Matt's message....we talked at length on the phone today. >We >> need an AD killer. The installation of Samba/LDAP is easy enough >> now....next we need to begin expanding so that it can be used in a WAN, >> multi-server situation. Also...the Ubuntu version of smbldap-installer >> works great! This is cool for folks who might want to make the switch >to >> EdUbuntu next school year. Matt's coding magic has enabled him to come >up >> with an Ubuntu "answer" to authconfig. Not real pretty, but it works >> (that's what we need it to do). I am currently working on the docs >(major >> rewrite) and hope to have them done next week. Getting time to spend >with >> my sandbox has been the issue. DO NOT try it on a production box as >there >> are MANY changes to how things are done. Even the add user scripts are >a >> tad different (bug fixes and moved one field over). The cool >thing....now >> that the Ubuntu piece is in place....it SHOULD work with other Debian >> distros so long as the packages are in place in their respective repos. > I >> don't run AD (Active Directory) at all so it's hard for me to test AD >> killer alternatives. I'm hoping that Matt, Chuck, and I (along with >> anyone else who wants to jump in) can find some time to brainstorm the >> idea this weekend and beyond. It'd be really nice to allow folks an >easy >> way to get off the M$ AD hampster wheel. So....read Matt's >message....and >> let's get this discussion underway...Matt and I are ready to tackle this >> and it's an idea whose time has come. >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >> (207)923-3100 >> > >As an "early pioneer" in this area, I'm thrilled to see work being >done. I did a bunch of work on LDAP support in Linux long before >K12LTSP. I was one of the two original creators of the LDAP >support in Samba[1] and have been running OpenLDAP in production >since version 1.2. > >We currently have 15,000 accounts in our directory servers. > > >I've been playing with the Fedora Directory Server a little (not >nearly enough) and am very excited about the possibilities there. >A new version of the FDS is due to be released real-soon-now that >includes most, if not all, of the enhancements required to replace >an OpenLDAP server. FDS also is also multi-server/WAN friendly, >has dynamic ACLs, and other such "enterprise" buzz-words. Oh, and >it has a point-and-click management console. > >I would *love* to help hack on directory servers as a "sub-topic" >in Montreal. (especially convenient if David and I will be >roommates ;-). > >-Eric > >[1] Well, sorta. My "claim to fame" here is two fold: 1) I did a > test implementation that was so insanely ugly that it inspired > Shahms King to do it right[2] and 2) at that point in time Shahms > was an intern at MESD and it was my job was to sign off on his time > sheet ;-) > >[2] Shahms' patch was officially accepted into Samba 2.2. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From andy at spitcomp.com Wed Nov 2 15:30:03 2005 From: andy at spitcomp.com (Andrew Fisk) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:30:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Both USB and Floppy? In-Reply-To: <45186.10.10.5.2.1130941836.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <45186.10.10.5.2.1130941836.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <2CD1165D-53A1-4F29-8E96-8BE9B80A25D4@spitcomp.com> Better yet for less than $50.00 you could buy her a USB floppy drive Not that I am advocating compusa but take a look at http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp? product_code=50195056&pfp=cat3 A cheap and easy fix (and well worth it for your Linux advocate) Thanks Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Nov 2, 2005, at 9:30 AM, Shawn Powers wrote: > I think it's been discussed before -- is it possible to use both a > floppy > drive AND a USB drive on a thin client? (Using MToolsFM) ? > > I have a secretary, who happens to be the biggest advocate for > Linux in > our district, that really wants to use both, since the school > camera has > floppy disks for film. I would REALLY like to oblige her. :) > > How do you do such a thing? Is it indeed possible? I'm using K12LTSP > 4.1, and currently have USB local drive support. > > Thanks, > -Shawn > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, > forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation > ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or > anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. > Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation > should > be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <2CD1165D-53A1-4F29-8E96-8BE9B80A25D4@spitcomp.com> References: <45186.10.10.5.2.1130941836.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <2CD1165D-53A1-4F29-8E96-8BE9B80A25D4@spitcomp.com> Message-ID: <4368DE7C.7000602@inlandlakes.org> Andrew Fisk wrote: > Better yet for less than $50.00 you could buy her a USB floppy drive I actually tried that first. MToolsFM just says, "Media not present" -- so maybe there was an issue with the particular hardware I have. Does anyone have a USB floppy drive that *does* work well as a USB drive on a thin client using MToolsFM? Thanks! That WOULD be the nicest solution! -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From scott at remc1.org Wed Nov 2 15:54:07 2005 From: scott at remc1.org (Scott Sherrill) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 10:54:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] command to change the private network settings for K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1130945461.14073.7.camel@phoenix.hhp> References: <1130945461.14073.7.camel@phoenix.hhp> Message-ID: <4368E11F.9080308@remc1.org> Henry Burroughs wrote: > Is there a script to change all the private network settings > (/etc/hosts, lts.conf, and other files)? That way if someone is > trying to deploy it already on a 192.168.0.* network, they can > "instantly" switch over to a network of their choice? > > I am giving a presentation Friday at SCISA in SC, and I want to be > prepared! =) A crudely cobbled solution written in less than 5 lines. !Please! be careful with its use. ;-) The script takes 3 items from the command line and changes all items specified first with items specified second in the file specified third ex call: quickhack 192.168.0 10.1.1 /etc/hosts The example above would change all 192.168.0 with 10.1.1 in /etc/hosts #!/bin/sh perl -pi -e "s/$1/$2/g" $3 Do with it as you will. Scott From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 2 16:28:50 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 10:28:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] School administration software In-Reply-To: <1130940574.5046.7.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <200511020239.jA22dfiu008424@mx3.redhat.com> <1130940574.5046.7.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: <1130948929.9435.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 08:09, george kocke wrote: > PowerSchool was not the right program for us anyway. We went with the > Windows upgrade for PDS as we didn't have to do any data conversion at > all. Now I just have to find a way of getting a Windows based gradebook > program to run under Linux. If you already have windows licenses and just want to avoid the dual boot or extra machine, you might try VMware, especially now that the runtime vmplayer is free. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ccraig at safedesksolutions.com Wed Nov 2 16:52:52 2005 From: ccraig at safedesksolutions.com (Curt Craig) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:52:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] School administration software In-Reply-To: <1130948929.9435.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <200511020239.jA22dfiu008424@mx3.redhat.com> <1130940574.5046.7.camel@tardis.london.volnet> <1130948929.9435.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <200511020852.52861.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> Les Mikesell wrote on Wednesday 02 November 2005 08:28: > If you already have windows licenses and just want to avoid the dual > boot or extra machine, you might try VMware, especially now that > the runtime vmplayer is free. Les, How many sessions have you been able to run concurrently using VMWare? We've tested it (though not the free version), and performance under load became an issue... Thanks! -- Curt Craig SafeDesk Solutions 866-465-8636 509-536-0565 (fax) www.safedesk.com From tim at litwiller.net Wed Nov 2 16:44:37 2005 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 10:44:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need some software to automate the recess buzzers In-Reply-To: <436847B7.6030604@litwiller.net> References: <436847B7.6030604@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <4368ECF5.20607@litwiller.net> To update the requirements - it would have to be easy for the teachers to add a buzzer or actually I think a voice announcement at a certain time. So it doesn't have to be running a buzzer so much as output sound to a loudspeaker. When it needs to sound like a buzzer we can play the buzzer sound or when we need a firedrill it could play the fire alarm sound. But the biggest requirement would be that it would be easy for a teacher to open the scheduler and add/remove/quiet the next occurance of the buzzer. Tim Litwiller wrote: > I'd like to setup a computer at a small school - ( that currently has no > computers) and they also need some way to automate the beginning and end > of day and reccess buzzers. Is there some software that is available to > run on a K12LTSP that could do this? I'm hoping that by having a ltsp > server maybe they will start with doing typeing classes with some > terminals and work them into more as they get used to the idea. From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Wed Nov 2 16:48:35 2005 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 10:48:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow Message-ID: <4368EDE3.2070907@frederic.k12.wi.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Here is a link to the top stats taken randomly during their session. 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Also please put a two-line description of the test conditions and percieved performance at the top of both text files. - Dan From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 16:54:11 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 11:54:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] pointer movement In-Reply-To: <20051101191545.GA27317@sonic.net> References: <1130809207.10926.146.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051101191545.GA27317@sonic.net> Message-ID: <9bd317560511020854i7d1df6ddy57c1bd578096a5a8@mail.gmail.com> Is there such a thing for IceWM? Thanks, Peter On 11/1/05, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 08:40:07PM -0500, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > > If you use KDE, there is such an indicator. It can be configured to > > give the "launching" indicator for anywhere between one and thirty > > seconds. > > Indeed. > > And, if you're not using KDE and Kicker, and if for some reason Gnome 2 > doens't do this (it sounds like it should...) or you're not running KDE or > Gnome, you may be able to use Xalf, which was the solution that was around > before KDE and Gnome had the launch feedback built-in. > > See: > > http://www.lysator.liu.se/~astrand/projects/xalf/ > > -bill! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Nov 2 17:03:03 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:03:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] I need some software to automate the recess buzzers In-Reply-To: <436861AE.1040201@gmail.com> References: <436847B7.6030604@litwiller.net> <436861AE.1040201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4368F147.3010801@paasda.org> This sounds like it would be an awesome little application. Some form of a gui to create an editable schedule(s) that can be applied to the current day/week/month/etc... With the ability to record from a mic an announcement and plug it in at a specified time, as well as play default sounds... then even if it only output to the soundcard that would be something that most PA-systems could utilize(probably a bit easier than a parallel port) Times like these I wish I were a programmer! --Huck Keith Olson wrote: > Tim Litwiller wrote: > >> I'd like to setup a computer at a small school - ( that currently has >> no computers) and they also need some way to automate the beginning >> and end of day and reccess buzzers. Is there some software that is >> available to run on a K12LTSP that could do this? I'm hoping that by >> having a ltsp server maybe they will start with doing typeing classes >> with some terminals and work them into more as they get used to the idea. > > > That sounds like a job for..... SUPER CRON!!! (Sorry, couldn't > resist.) Seriously though, you could have a job that 'printed' > something on an otherwise unused parallel port whenever you wanted a > bell to ring, and hook up a relay to one of the output pins. The relay > could do anything from ringing an actual bell to (with a bit of > soldering) replacing/parallelling a switch if your bells are electronic. > From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Nov 2 16:59:12 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:59:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] init 5 Message-ID: <20051102095912.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.8be5cfc0af.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Does the LTSP server have to start init 5 to enable the clients to have a display? I changed my default init to 3 and rebooted the server, then my client came up with the infamous "X" on a gray screeen. When I changed it back to init 5 and rebooted, the client worked fine. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Nov 2 16:59:53 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:59:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] pointer movement Message-ID: <20051102095953.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.704c6ad43d.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> I haven't found one for Gnome or Ice, just KDE. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] pointer movement > From: Peter Hartmann > Date: Wed, November 02, 2005 10:54 am > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > Is there such a thing for IceWM? > > > Thanks, > Peter > > > On 11/1/05, Bill Kendrick wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 08:40:07PM -0500, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > > > If you use KDE, there is such an indicator. It can be configured to > > > give the "launching" indicator for anywhere between one and thirty > > > seconds. > > > > Indeed. > > > > And, if you're not using KDE and Kicker, and if for some reason Gnome 2 > > doens't do this (it sounds like it should...) or you're not running KDE or > > Gnome, you may be able to use Xalf, which was the solution that was around > > before KDE and Gnome had the launch feedback built-in. > > > > See: > > > > http://www.lysator.liu.se/~astrand/projects/xalf/ > > > > -bill! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From veewee77 at alltel.net Wed Nov 2 17:02:57 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 11:02:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need some software to automate the recess buzzers In-Reply-To: <4368ECF5.20607@litwiller.net> References: <436847B7.6030604@litwiller.net> <4368ECF5.20607@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <4368F141.80402@alltel.net> Using lptout, and cron, this could be accomplished very easily. I'll will experiment and get back with you on this. . . Might even be able to come up with a plug-n-fly deal using either console input or possibly web-based input. . . Doug Tim Litwiller wrote: > To update the requirements - it would have to be easy for the teachers > to add a buzzer or actually I think a voice announcement at a certain > time. So it doesn't have to be running a buzzer so much as output > sound to a loudspeaker. When it needs to sound like a buzzer we can > play the buzzer sound or when we need a firedrill it could play the > fire alarm sound. > > But the biggest requirement would be that it would be easy for a > teacher to open the scheduler and add/remove/quiet the next occurance > of the buzzer. > > > > > Tim Litwiller wrote: > >> I'd like to setup a computer at a small school - ( that currently has >> no computers) and they also need some way to automate the beginning >> and end of day and reccess buzzers. Is there some software that is >> available to run on a K12LTSP that could do this? I'm hoping that by >> having a ltsp server maybe they will start with doing typeing classes >> with some terminals and work them into more as they get used to the >> idea. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From veewee77 at alltel.net Wed Nov 2 17:14:52 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 11:14:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need some software to automate the recess buzzers In-Reply-To: <4368F147.3010801@paasda.org> References: <436847B7.6030604@litwiller.net> <436861AE.1040201@gmail.com> <4368F147.3010801@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4368F40C.4010301@alltel.net> There is actually a parallel port driver for sound and you make a small interface and you can play sounds through your parallel port. I have not tested it but I thought it was interesting. . . Huck wrote: > This sounds like it would be an awesome little application. > > Some form of a gui to create an editable schedule(s) that can be > applied to the current day/week/month/etc... > With the ability to record from a mic an announcement and plug it in > at a specified time, as well as play default sounds... > then even if it only output to the soundcard that would be something > that most PA-systems could utilize(probably a bit easier than a > parallel port) > > Times like these I wish I were a programmer! > > --Huck > > Keith Olson wrote: > >> Tim Litwiller wrote: >> >>> I'd like to setup a computer at a small school - ( that currently >>> has no computers) and they also need some way to automate the >>> beginning and end of day and reccess buzzers. Is there some >>> software that is available to run on a K12LTSP that could do this? >>> I'm hoping that by having a ltsp server maybe they will start with >>> doing typeing classes with some terminals and work them into more as >>> they get used to the idea. >> >> >> >> That sounds like a job for..... SUPER CRON!!! (Sorry, couldn't >> resist.) Seriously though, you could have a job that 'printed' >> something on an otherwise unused parallel port whenever you wanted a >> bell to ring, and hook up a relay to one of the output pins. The >> relay could do anything from ringing an actual bell to (with a bit of >> soldering) replacing/parallelling a switch if your bells are electronic. >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 17:17:44 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:17:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Add your site to the LTSP/K12LTSP map In-Reply-To: <4368DAC3.2000604@ragnar.mine.nu> References: <20051102040003.M86104@winonacotter.org> <200511021012.47877.vk@os-academy.dk> <4368DAC3.2000604@ragnar.mine.nu> Message-ID: > There is another map that Skolelinux/Debian-Edu maintains, which > currently is mainly aimed at schools in Europe. It's at > > http://www.skolelinux.org/portal/user_experience/test_schools/ I also created another Frappr map for "Open Source" program use in schools, not limited to K12/LTSP and thin-client. So schools who are using Moodle, Samba, Open Office, Firefox, Apache, etc. can also show what other benefits the Open Source community is providing schools. It hasn't been as popular as the k12ltsp.com map, but I'm hoping it will catch on at some point: www.K12OpenSource.com Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com From andy at spitcomp.com Wed Nov 2 17:17:51 2005 From: andy at spitcomp.com (Andrew Fisk) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:17:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need some software to automate the recess buzzers In-Reply-To: <4368ECF5.20607@litwiller.net> References: <436847B7.6030604@litwiller.net> <4368ECF5.20607@litwiller.net> Message-ID: This may be a really silly idea, but how about using Sunbird with different alarms for different events -- at it would be be easy for anyone to schedule (or delete) either a one time event or a recurring event. Thanks Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Nov 2, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Tim Litwiller wrote: > To update the requirements - it would have to be easy for the > teachers to add a buzzer or actually I think a voice announcement > at a certain time. So it doesn't have to be running a buzzer so > much as output sound to a loudspeaker. When it needs to sound like > a buzzer we can play the buzzer sound or when we need a firedrill > it could play the fire alarm sound. > > But the biggest requirement would be that it would be easy for a > teacher to open the scheduler and add/remove/quiet the next > occurance of the buzzer. > > > > > Tim Litwiller wrote: > >> I'd like to setup a computer at a small school - ( that currently >> has no computers) and they also need some way to automate the >> beginning and end of day and recess buzzers. Is there some >> software that is available to run on a K12LTSP that could do >> this? I'm hoping that by having a ltsp server maybe they will >> start with doing typeing classes with some terminals and work them >> into more as they get used to the idea. >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 17:27:56 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:27:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Rdesktop - either or problem with esd vs. dsp Message-ID: <9bd317560511020927i796c34eak6a4081d06f14f3f3@mail.gmail.com> Hey Gideon, I was thinking, the list of programs on ltsp that need sound (for us) isn't that big. Couldn't we set up those programs to start and stop esd on the terminal leaving the sound card free to accept a dsp stream from rdesktop? How difficult could that be? Do you think it would work? Can't we all just get along? :) Thanks, Peter From petre at maltzen.net Wed Nov 2 17:31:44 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 11:31:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] init 5 In-Reply-To: <20051102095912.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.8be5cfc0af.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20051102095912.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.8be5cfc0af.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <4368F800.8090004@maltzen.net> This was discussed a few years ago, so you might dig through the archives. Strictly speaking, no, the server does not have to be in runlevel 5; but then you have to get all the GDM/KDM stuff going manually for the clients to get their login screens. In most cases, it's just easier to run the server in runlevel 5. rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Does the LTSP server have to start init 5 to enable the clients to have > a display? I changed my default init to 3 and rebooted the server, > then my client came up with the infamous "X" on a gray screeen. When I > changed it back to init 5 and rebooted, the client worked fine. > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 2 17:37:21 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 11:37:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need some software to automate the recess buzzers In-Reply-To: <4368F147.3010801@paasda.org> References: <436847B7.6030604@litwiller.net> <436861AE.1040201@gmail.com> <4368F147.3010801@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1130953041.9435.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 11:03, Huck wrote: > This sounds like it would be an awesome little application. > > Some form of a gui to create an editable schedule(s) that can be applied > to the current day/week/month/etc... > With the ability to record from a mic an announcement and plug it in at > a specified time, as well as play default sounds... > then even if it only output to the soundcard that would be something > that most PA-systems could utilize(probably a bit easier than a parallel > port) > > Times like these I wish I were a programmer! The bits and pieces you need are all there: (at, cron, rec, play) at least if done from the server or a standalone machine. It might be a little tricky from a client but esdplay should work within the same session (probably not with cron). If someone knows how to type the commands you are all set. If you need a gui and context-sensitive help on the quirks of cron, it will take some work. I don't think the task scheduler in the system tools menu is much easier to use than 'crontab -e' but someone might. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Nov 2 18:10:39 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 10:10:39 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] I need some software to automate the recess buzzers In-Reply-To: <4368F141.80402@alltel.net> References: <436847B7.6030604@litwiller.net> <4368ECF5.20607@litwiller.net> <4368F141.80402@alltel.net> Message-ID: <4369011F.9040702@paasda.org> http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/06/25/ruby_pt1.html the link above was something I ran across while looking for ruby tutorials... using ruby and Tk to create a GUI cron editor. --Huck Doug Simpson wrote: > Using lptout, and cron, this could be accomplished very easily. > > I'll will experiment and get back with you on this. . . > > Might even be able to come up with a plug-n-fly deal using either > console input or possibly web-based input. . . > > Doug > > Tim Litwiller wrote: > >> To update the requirements - it would have to be easy for the teachers >> to add a buzzer or actually I think a voice announcement at a certain >> time. So it doesn't have to be running a buzzer so much as output >> sound to a loudspeaker. When it needs to sound like a buzzer we can >> play the buzzer sound or when we need a firedrill it could play the >> fire alarm sound. >> >> But the biggest requirement would be that it would be easy for a >> teacher to open the scheduler and add/remove/quiet the next occurance >> of the buzzer. >> >> >> >> >> Tim Litwiller wrote: >> >>> I'd like to setup a computer at a small school - ( that currently has >>> no computers) and they also need some way to automate the beginning >>> and end of day and reccess buzzers. Is there some software that is >>> available to run on a K12LTSP that could do this? I'm hoping that by >>> having a ltsp server maybe they will start with doing typeing classes >>> with some terminals and work them into more as they get used to the >>> idea. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From webmaster at vol.org Wed Nov 2 18:05:16 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 12:05:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] School administration software In-Reply-To: <1130948929.9435.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <200511020239.jA22dfiu008424@mx3.redhat.com> <1130940574.5046.7.camel@tardis.london.volnet> <1130948929.9435.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1130954716.5830.18.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 10:28, Les Mikesell wrote: > If you already have windows licenses and just want to avoid the dual > boot or extra machine, you might try VMware, especially now that > the runtime vmplayer is free. We're going to either use Gradequick (yuck) or Gradekeeper. I've played with both in plain WINE and Codeweavers and both work for the most part. The problems I've run into are with screen corruption and help functions not working. Gradekeeper works the best with WINE, is a very simple program and incredibly inexpensive. $100 for all users in a school. I've also thought about using either qemu or the new vmware player to set up virtual Windows 95 machines that run just one program. I have lots of 95 spare licenses thanks to K12LTSP. I'd need a dedicated machine for that, though. -- george kocke http://www.vol.org From DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org Wed Nov 2 18:07:28 2005 From: DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org (DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 13:07:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] mounting usb drives Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 18:10:53 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:10:53 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] init 5 In-Reply-To: <4368F800.8090004@maltzen.net> References: <20051102095912.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.8be5cfc0af.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> <4368F800.8090004@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <96df2e0b0511021010u53c862a0v@mail.gmail.com> If you don't want a local X server, you can disable X locally on the machine. I think the config for this is under the GDM config files.. although off hand, I can't remember where they were. On 02/11/05, Petre Scheie wrote: > This was discussed a few years ago, so you might dig through the archives. Strictly > speaking, no, the server does not have to be in runlevel 5; but then you have to get all > the GDM/KDM stuff going manually for the clients to get their login screens. In most > cases, it's just easier to run the server in runlevel 5. > > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > Does the LTSP server have to start init 5 to enable the clients to have > > a display? I changed my default init to 3 and rebooted the server, > > then my client came up with the infamous "X" on a gray screeen. When I > > changed it back to init 5 and rebooted, the client worked fine. > > > > > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > Conecuh County Schools > > (251) 578-7073 x26 > > (251) 230-0658 cell > > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 18:36:47 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 13:36:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] mounting usb drives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd317560511021036t2025c1day2022f02bfba58606@mail.gmail.com> Plug it in and click the Floppy Access icon on the desktop or run MToolsFM. It should appear as drive u: unless you have an older release of k12linux. Peter On 11/2/05, DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org wrote: > Is there a quick way to mount a "usb drive" on a thin client. The drive does > not "automount". > > Thank you. > > > Don > > Don Watkins, Technology Director > Franklinville Central School > http://www.franklinville.wnyric.org/~dwatkins > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Wed Nov 2 18:08:03 2005 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 13:08:03 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20init=205?= Message-ID: Check the wikipages on K12LTSP, mine is running that way. >>> rmcdaniel at indata.us 2005-11-02 11:59:12 >>> Does the LTSP server have to start init 5 to enable the clients to have a display? I changed my default init to 3 and rebooted the server, then my client came up with the infamous "X" on a gray screeen. When I changed it back to init 5 and rebooted, the client worked fine. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nbs at sonic.net Wed Nov 2 19:45:24 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 11:45:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: References: <236rb3rgdfbi288.271020051217@mail> <43610942.5020304@codeweavers.com> <20051101202825.GA31935@sonic.net> <4367DEF2.70700@maltzen.net> <20051102073008.GA4945@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20051102194524.GA9040@sonic.net> On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 12:51:04AM -0800, Dan Kegel wrote: > Bill, > Kid Pix Deluxe 3 for Windows sells for $0.01 on Amazon used, see > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00002DH9W > Live a little, buy a copy :-) Heh, I dunno. Might not be worth it, based on some of the reviews it got on Amazon! ;) "I wish I could give them zero stars." [goes on to say they need to register the software online, but it's too old, so they could not] "Any person who says they got "hours" of entertainment out of this should seek family therapy!" [goes on to say they got a full refund] "We just got Kid Pix 3 as an upgrade from the original Disney Magic Artist, and frankly, the kids and I are all disappointed." So maybe I should see what Disney Magic Artist can do. ;^) -bill! From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 20:59:22 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:59:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: <20051102194524.GA9040@sonic.net> References: <236rb3rgdfbi288.271020051217@mail> <43610942.5020304@codeweavers.com> <20051101202825.GA31935@sonic.net> <4367DEF2.70700@maltzen.net> <20051102073008.GA4945@sonic.net> <20051102194524.GA9040@sonic.net> Message-ID: On 11/2/05, Bill Kendrick wrote: > Heh, I dunno. Might not be worth it, based on some of the reviews it got on > Amazon! ;) Don't let those comments fool you. A number of them are simply overly cranky. While there's certainly nothing wrong with checking out the Disney product, you absolutely should also try out Kid Pix 3 (or 4). It's what all the schools use. It's wildly popular. I think you need to see it in action, maybe do a fun-ability test with a few young kids who haven't used either, see which of Kid Pix and Tux Paint they prefer. - Dan From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 2 21:23:55 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 15:23:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] School administration software In-Reply-To: <200511020852.52861.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> References: <200511020239.jA22dfiu008424@mx3.redhat.com> <1130940574.5046.7.camel@tardis.london.volnet> <1130948929.9435.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <200511020852.52861.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> Message-ID: <1130966635.9435.255.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 10:52, Curt Craig wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote on Wednesday 02 November 2005 08:28: > > If you already have windows licenses and just want to avoid the dual > > boot or extra machine, you might try VMware, especially now that > > the runtime vmplayer is free. > > How many sessions have you been able to run concurrently using VMWare? We've > tested it (though not the free version), and performance under load became an > issue... Thanks! I've never tried it for production - just some oddball stuff and testing. I have plenty of old PC's around and it didn't make sense to pay for an extra VMware license to replace them, but now that it is free I am trying it again. Unfortunately I'm having some problem making it work on the one server I have configured for thin clients and haven't had time to pin down the problem. From other use, I'd guess that the real problem is that the memory isn't shared like normal apps so extra RAM might help, and it probably wouldn't be a problem for occasional use by teachers. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Wed Nov 2 21:36:27 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:36:27 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] Re: [K12OSN] ltsp client for vmware In-Reply-To: <1130889617.22141.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1130652875.22271.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4366BA09.70203@gmail.com> <1130889617.22141.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200511021636.27269.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Tuesday 01 November 2005 19:00, Michael C Wescott wrote: > With a Vmware GSX server it's possible to run several virtual machines > at once. The last time I checked it wasn't possible with the Workstation > version and my guess is that it's not possible with the player either. > And generally the monitors are virtual too, just a window on the native > OS. > I have the linux version of VMWare Workstation and I regularly have multiple virtual machines running at the same time. John -- Thanks, John From veewee77 at alltel.net Wed Nov 2 20:57:01 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 14:57:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need some software to automate the recess buzzers In-Reply-To: References: <436847B7.6030604@litwiller.net> <4368ECF5.20607@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <4369281D.4030404@alltel.net> What's Sunbird? DS Andrew Fisk wrote: > This may be a really silly idea, but how about using Sunbird with > different alarms for different events -- at it would be be easy for > anyone to schedule (or delete) either a one time event or a recurring > event. > > > Thanks > > > Andy > > Spitfire Computer Services > > 441 Beaver Street > > Suite 202 > > Sewickley, PA 15143 > > Phone (412) 749-0162 > > Fax: (412) 749-0203 > > andy at spitcomp.com > > www.spitcomp.com > > > On Nov 2, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Tim Litwiller wrote: > >> To update the requirements - it would have to be easy for the >> teachers to add a buzzer or actually I think a voice announcement at >> a certain time. So it doesn't have to be running a buzzer so much as >> output sound to a loudspeaker. When it needs to sound like a buzzer >> we can play the buzzer sound or when we need a firedrill it could >> play the fire alarm sound. >> >> But the biggest requirement would be that it would be easy for a >> teacher to open the scheduler and add/remove/quiet the next occurance >> of the buzzer. >> >> >> >> >> Tim Litwiller wrote: >> >>> I'd like to setup a computer at a small school - ( that currently >>> has no computers) and they also need some way to automate the >>> beginning and end of day and recess buzzers. Is there some software >>> that is available to run on a K12LTSP that could do this? I'm >>> hoping that by having a ltsp server maybe they will start with doing >>> typeing classes with some terminals and work them into more as they >>> get used to the idea. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 2 22:08:36 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:08:36 -0600 Subject: [ok-mail] Re: [K12OSN] ltsp client for vmware In-Reply-To: <200511021636.27269.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> References: <1130652875.22271.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4366BA09.70203@gmail.com> <1130889617.22141.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200511021636.27269.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: <1130969316.9435.280.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 15:36, John Hansknecht wrote: > On Tuesday 01 November 2005 19:00, Michael C Wescott wrote: > > With a Vmware GSX server it's possible to run several virtual machines > > at once. The last time I checked it wasn't possible with the Workstation > > version and my guess is that it's not possible with the player either. > > And generally the monitors are virtual too, just a window on the native > > OS. > > > > I have the linux version of VMWare Workstation and I regularly have multiple > virtual machines running at the same time. The player only runs one VM, but you can run multiple instances of the player. You can also run vnc and/or terminal services on the virtual machines to interact with them directly over the network instead of using the virtual console presented by the player. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Wed Nov 2 22:09:36 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:09:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need some software to automate the recess buzzers In-Reply-To: <4369281D.4030404@alltel.net> References: <436847B7.6030604@litwiller.net> <4368ECF5.20607@litwiller.net> <4369281D.4030404@alltel.net> Message-ID: <43693920.3080705@maltzen.net> It's the calendar component for Mozilla/Firefox/Thunderbird. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird.html Doug Simpson wrote: > What's Sunbird? > > DS > > Andrew Fisk wrote: > >> This may be a really silly idea, but how about using Sunbird with >> different alarms for different events -- at it would be be easy for >> anyone to schedule (or delete) either a one time event or a recurring >> event. >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> Andy >> >> Spitfire Computer Services >> >> 441 Beaver Street >> >> Suite 202 >> >> Sewickley, PA 15143 >> >> Phone (412) 749-0162 >> >> Fax: (412) 749-0203 >> >> andy at spitcomp.com >> >> www.spitcomp.com >> >> >> On Nov 2, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Tim Litwiller wrote: >> >>> To update the requirements - it would have to be easy for the >>> teachers to add a buzzer or actually I think a voice announcement at >>> a certain time. So it doesn't have to be running a buzzer so much as >>> output sound to a loudspeaker. When it needs to sound like a buzzer >>> we can play the buzzer sound or when we need a firedrill it could >>> play the fire alarm sound. >>> >>> But the biggest requirement would be that it would be easy for a >>> teacher to open the scheduler and add/remove/quiet the next occurance >>> of the buzzer. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Tim Litwiller wrote: >>> >>>> I'd like to setup a computer at a small school - ( that currently >>>> has no computers) and they also need some way to automate the >>>> beginning and end of day and recess buzzers. Is there some software >>>> that is available to run on a K12LTSP that could do this? I'm >>>> hoping that by having a ltsp server maybe they will start with doing >>>> typeing classes with some terminals and work them into more as they >>>> get used to the idea. >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From andy at spitcomp.com Wed Nov 2 22:11:26 2005 From: andy at spitcomp.com (Andrew Fisk) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 17:11:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need some software to automate the recess buzzers In-Reply-To: <4369281D.4030404@alltel.net> References: <436847B7.6030604@litwiller.net> <4368ECF5.20607@litwiller.net> <4369281D.4030404@alltel.net> Message-ID: The calendar project from the fine folks at mozilla -- works with firefox and thunderbird -- I would guess tha Evolution would work just as well and would save reiventing the wheel. Thanks Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Nov 2, 2005, at 3:57 PM, Doug Simpson wrote: > What's Sunbird? > > DS > > Andrew Fisk wrote: >> This may be a really silly idea, but how about using Sunbird with >> different alarms for different events -- at it would be be easy >> for anyone to schedule (or delete) either a one time event or a >> recurring event. >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Andy >> Spitfire Computer Services >> 441 Beaver Street >> Suite 202 >> Sewickley, PA 15143 >> Phone (412) 749-0162 >> Fax: (412) 749-0203 >> andy at spitcomp.com >> www.spitcomp.com >> >> On Nov 2, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Tim Litwiller wrote: >> >>> To update the requirements - it would have to be easy for the >>> teachers to add a buzzer or actually I think a voice announcement >>> at a certain time. So it doesn't have to be running a buzzer so >>> much as output sound to a loudspeaker. When it needs to sound >>> like a buzzer we can play the buzzer sound or when we need a >>> firedrill it could play the fire alarm sound. >>> >>> But the biggest requirement would be that it would be easy for a >>> teacher to open the scheduler and add/remove/quiet the next >>> occurance of the buzzer. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Tim Litwiller wrote: >>> >>>> I'd like to setup a computer at a small school - ( that >>>> currently has no computers) and they also need some way to >>>> automate the beginning and end of day and recess buzzers. Is >>>> there some software that is available to run on a K12LTSP that >>>> could do this? I'm hoping that by having a ltsp server maybe >>>> they will start with doing typeing classes with some terminals >>>> and work them into more as they get used to the idea. >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Only catch is you really need 512MB for it to > work properly, 256 is just too small for both windows and linux > combined. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From robark at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 05:26:55 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:26:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: VMware offers free player with Ubuntu vm In-Reply-To: <43695492.4030604@paasda.org> References: <43695492.4030604@paasda.org> Message-ID: On 11/2/05, Huck wrote: > Is there any K12LTSP virtual machine out there? > Not that I know of. But there is another thread in the list where someone did have a client vm. So you can run MS and K12 on the same box at the same time. No rebooting. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 3 11:34:41 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 03:34:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] good, cheap pci video card? Message-ID: <20051103113441.85110.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think somebody mentioned this in a thread in the past couple weeks, but I can't find it. Can anybody recommend to me a good PCI video card for a thin client? A cheap one is preferred! Thanks for the help. -Rob __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From scott at remc1.org Thu Nov 3 14:09:44 2005 From: scott at remc1.org (Scott Sherrill) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:09:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Document Management Systems Message-ID: <436A1A28.9080704@remc1.org> Does anyone have any experience (pro/con) with any open source document management system? We are looking at setting one up and its all new ground for me. Thanks Scott From petre at maltzen.net Thu Nov 3 14:11:47 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:11:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] good, cheap pci video card? In-Reply-To: <20051103113441.85110.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051103113441.85110.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <436A1AA3.30401@maltzen.net> After I donate blood at the Red Cross, I stop at the used computer parts store next door and usually pick up a few PCI video cards for $5 a piece. I've never had any trouble with any of them in client machines, so I don't even look that closely at what I'm buying any more. I make sure they have at least 2MB of RAM, which is necessary to support 16-bit color at 800x600. I think some have had SiS chipsets, others were Tseng or Trident. Check your local used computer shop. Just about any card will do Petre Rob Owens wrote: > I think somebody mentioned this in a thread in the > past couple weeks, but I can't find it. Can anybody > recommend to me a good PCI video card for a thin > client? A cheap one is preferred! Thanks for the > help. > > -Rob > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ccraig at safedesksolutions.com Thu Nov 3 14:25:55 2005 From: ccraig at safedesksolutions.com (Curt Craig) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 06:25:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: VMware offers free player with Ubuntu vm In-Reply-To: References: <43695492.4030604@paasda.org> Message-ID: <200511030625.56100.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> Had to jump in on this thread for a semi-blatant boast... We've been working with Win4Lin for some time now, and our first few post-beta installations are in production. SafeDesk Enterprise 2.0 comes with Win4Lin bundled and optimized. (and costs less $$ than Win4Lin's rack desktop rate) http://www.linuxpr.com/releases/8221.html http://www.safedesk.com/docs/safedesk2_overview.pdf -- Curt Craig SafeDesk Solutions Robert Arkiletian wrote on Wednesday 02 November 2005 21:26: > On 11/2/05, Huck wrote: > > Is there any K12LTSP virtual machine out there? > > Not that I know of. But there is another thread in the list where > someone did have a client vm. So you can run MS and K12 on the same > box at the same time. No rebooting. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Thu Nov 3 15:21:44 2005 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:21:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] good, cheap pci video card? In-Reply-To: <20051103113441.85110.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051103113441.85110.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1131031305.15451.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 03:34 -0800, Rob Owens wrote: > I think somebody mentioned this in a thread in the > past couple weeks, but I can't find it. Can anybody > recommend to me a good PCI video card for a thin > client? A cheap one is preferred! Thanks for the > help. If you can get your hands on older Matrox cards, they're awesome. They work really well and put out a very nice quality picture. They were used a lot by IBM back in the day, so they're generally pretty easy to come by. I found fifty or more up at the computer recycling facility I use (StRUT) just sitting in a box. Most of them have since been put into thin clients. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, OR From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Nov 3 15:59:16 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 15:59:16 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Document Management Systems In-Reply-To: <436A1A28.9080704@remc1.org> References: <436A1A28.9080704@remc1.org> Message-ID: <436A33D4.3000906@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Scott Sherrill wrote: > Does anyone have any experience (pro/con) with any open source document > management system? > > We are looking at setting one up and its all new ground for me. > > Thanks > > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I'd be really interested in hearing about this as well, it's something we're starting to look at. Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jam at mcquil.com Thu Nov 3 17:07:53 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:07:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Brief look at what's in store for RHEL-5 Message-ID: Hey guys, Interesting article on internetnews.com about redhat's direction regarding thin clients and virtualization. http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3560881 Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 3 17:17:55 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:17:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] good, cheap pci video card? In-Reply-To: <436A1AA3.30401@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20051103171755.69182.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have 2 thin clients with significantly different performance, and I was thinking it was due to the different video cards (but maybe I'm wrong). The faster thin client has an AGP card (1x, I think). The slower one has a PCI card with, I think, 2 MB RAM. On the slower thin client, simple things like quickly dragging a scroll bar in OpenOffice or Nautilus results in choppy video (the screen jumps instead of scrolling). If I've got a 2MB PCI card, is this the best performance I can hope for? Or will getting a better PCI video card help? Or perhaps my problem is in the network hardware, and not the video card... Thanks -Rob --- Petre Scheie wrote: > After I donate blood at the Red Cross, I stop at the > used computer parts store next door > and usually pick up a few PCI video cards for $5 a > piece. I've never had any trouble > with any of them in client machines, so I don't even > look that closely at what I'm > buying any more. I make sure they have at least 2MB > of RAM, which is necessary to > support 16-bit color at 800x600. I think some have > had SiS chipsets, others were Tseng > or Trident. Check your local used computer shop. > Just about any card will do > > Petre > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From linuxsys at davisny.edu Thu Nov 3 17:40:02 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:40:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Document Management Systems In-Reply-To: <436A33D4.3000906@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: Well, I've looked on and off for various document management systems. These systems are the ones I've found http://sdms.cafuego.net/index.html http://docsys.sourceforge.net/ http://www.ktdms.com/ I'd love to get everyone else's thoughts on these three (and any others that people have found). We really need a DMS here, so any help I could get would be helpful. -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Brian Chivers Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:59 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Document Management Systems Scott Sherrill wrote: > Does anyone have any experience (pro/con) with any open source document > management system? > > We are looking at setting one up and its all new ground for me. > > Thanks > > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I'd be really interested in hearing about this as well, it's something we're starting to look at. Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 17:48:02 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:48:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] "Speak Up Day 2005" Survey of Students and Teachers about Technology Message-ID: >From eSchool news article: "Students and teachers across the United States are invited to voice their opinions on how technology affects their teaching and learning. The means of being heard is Speak Up Day 2005, an online survey that gives K-12 education's primary stakeholders the chance to suggest how technology should be used in their schools. Educators and students can register to participate in the survey until Nov. 18." NetDay (and to register for the 2005 survey) http://www.netday.org -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Thu Nov 3 18:13:38 2005 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 10:13:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] good, cheap pci video card? In-Reply-To: <20051103171755.69182.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051103171755.69182.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1131041619.15451.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 09:17 -0800, Rob Owens wrote: > I have 2 thin clients with significantly different > performance, and I was thinking it was due to the > different video cards (but maybe I'm wrong). The > faster thin client has an AGP card (1x, I think). The > slower one has a PCI card with, I think, 2 MB RAM. > > On the slower thin client, simple things like quickly > dragging a scroll bar in OpenOffice or Nautilus > results in choppy video (the screen jumps instead of > scrolling). If I've got a 2MB PCI card, is this the > best performance I can hope for? Or will getting a > better PCI video card help? Or perhaps my problem is > in the network hardware, and not the video card... Replacing the video card is a good place to start. Non-accelerated 2d video can be a big drain on the client's CPU. I had a similar situation in the temrinals I mentioned earlier in this thread. Moving them to the Matrox cards improved screen re-draw speed significantly. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, OR From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Thu Nov 3 19:48:16 2005 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:48:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] edubuntu ltsp Open Office 1.15 cannot print. Message-ID: I can not print from Open Office 1.15, but I can print from Firefox and gedit print with no problems. Any suggestions? Thanks -Glenn Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Nov 3 20:38:05 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:38:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] edubuntu ltsp Open Office 1.15 cannot print. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: IIRC, OOo requires printer setup from within the program, not just setup on the system. On Nov 3, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Glenn Arnold wrote: > I can not print from Open Office 1.15, but I can print from > Firefox and gedit print with no problems. Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks > > -Glenn Arnold > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Thu Nov 3 21:22:27 2005 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:22:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] edubuntu ltsp Open Office 1.15 cannot print. Message-ID: I have never setup the printer from Open Office correctly. What is the proper procedure for doing this? Thanks -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Burke Almquist [mailto:balmquist at mindfirestudios.com] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:38 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] edubuntu ltsp Open Office 1.15 cannot print. IIRC, OOo requires printer setup from within the program, not just setup on the system. On Nov 3, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Glenn Arnold wrote: > I can not print from Open Office 1.15, but I can print from > Firefox and gedit print with no problems. Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks > > -Glenn Arnold > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From brcisna at frontiernet.net Thu Nov 3 22:15:22 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:15:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows at Logon Message-ID: <000701c5e0c4$18668170$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hi List, Anyone have a recipe for doing the ALT& F2 (or F3 etc,to bring up a windows server at the GDM login? I have entered the WIN2K server IP address,,in the lts.conf as SCREEN_02 = ipaddress (with no options), if I change the SCREEN_02 to shell and do the ALT&F2 at the GDM login ,it, will drop to a shell prompt(and can log into the K12LTSP server, succesfully. . I have tried using any one,,of the 4 WIN2K servers we have with no differnet results. BTW I did reboot the server each time, after making these changes to the K12LTSP server,,as I wasnt sure what services needed to be restarted ..here and there to see"these changes. Id like to get something "slicker" than doing the Terminal Server CLient(which works fine) along with a couple shell scripts,, put onto the desktop,to access server-xyz.for more seamless,,Winders",,access:)..I did learn if you want to use SCREEN_04 you have to make a mod to the initab file for displays...but this did not do anygood,(only if I wanted to use the _04 display number. I was also sent a while back, a hack,,how to "slow down" the login process to try and troubleshoot error messages on screen when the display manager died,, I could usually read somethign to the effect that RPD-5 couldnt get a display? Sorry for the long post:).. Ive worked at this off and on,, to no avail..:( Thanks, Barry From andy at spitcomp.com Thu Nov 3 22:35:34 2005 From: andy at spitcomp.com (Andrew Fisk) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:35:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Document Management Systems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe too expensive, but Novell's Open Enterpise Server solid and document management and collaberation tools out of the box, along with support for web folders so that cross platform work is easy. Thanks Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Nov 3, 2005, at 12:40 PM, Calvin Park wrote: > Well, I've looked on and off for various document management > systems. These > systems are the ones I've found > > http://sdms.cafuego.net/index.html > http://docsys.sourceforge.net/ > http://www.ktdms.com/ > > I'd love to get everyone else's thoughts on these three (and any > others that > people have found). We really need a DMS here, so any help I could > get would > be helpful. > > -Calvin > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Brian Chivers > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:59 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Document Management Systems > > > Scott Sherrill wrote: > >> Does anyone have any experience (pro/con) with any open source >> document >> management system? >> >> We are looking at setting one up and its all new ground for me. >> >> Thanks >> >> Scott >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > I'd be really interested in hearing about this as well, it's > something we're > starting to look at. > > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Thu Nov 3 23:28:07 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:28:07 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Re-sent: Upgrade from K12LTSP 4.2 to 4.4.1 how to transfer SMBLDAPinfo In-Reply-To: <20051101084319.HAMY3578.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> Message-ID: <200511032328.jA3NSgwR021450@dbmail-mx3.orcon.co.nz> I haven't received any reply to this yet. Please help me to transfer my SMBLDAP info so I can use the upgraded server. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Krsnendu dasa Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2005 9:43 p.m. To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade from K12LTSP 4.2 to 4.4.1 how to transfer SMBLDAPinfo I currently have a K12LTSP 4.2 system running with SMBLDAP providing authentication and homes users on LTSP client computers and windows machines. I decided I wanted to try out Crossover Office 5 (but not on the current production server), so I have installed K12LTSP 4.4.1 on a new box and installed Crossover Office 5. What do I have to do now to set up SMBLDAP and transfer all the user authentication info to this new box so it can become the official new server and I can use the other server for other purposes. I have gigabit connection between the servers, so copying files is pretty quick. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Fri Nov 4 00:26:12 2005 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:26:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re-sent: Upgrade from K12LTSP 4.2 to 4.4.1 how to transfer SMBLDAPinfo In-Reply-To: <200511032328.jA3NSgwR021450@dbmail-mx3.orcon.co.nz> References: <200511032328.jA3NSgwR021450@dbmail-mx3.orcon.co.nz> Message-ID: <1131063972.15451.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 12:28 +1300, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > I currently have a K12LTSP 4.2 system running with SMBLDAP providing > authentication and homes users on LTSP client computers and windows > machines. > I decided I wanted to try out Crossover Office 5 (but not on the current > production server), so I have installed K12LTSP 4.4.1 on a new box and > installed Crossover Office 5. What do I have to do now to set up SMBLDAP and > transfer all the user authentication info to this new box so it can become > the official new server and I can use the other server for other purposes. > I have gigabit connection between the servers, so copying files is pretty > quick. I'm hardly an SMBLDAP expert, but my best guess would be to setup the new box as you did the old box, but make the new box an ldap slave to the old box and let ldap do all the replication of user data itself. Once that's done and you're convinced it works, shut down the old ldap server and "promote" the slave box to being stand-alone and change the smbldap configs accordingly. Note that I've never *actually done* any of the above, but it seems like it ought to work. In theory, anyway. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, OR From tlegge at rogers.com Fri Nov 4 02:13:26 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:13:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound issue with Gnome Message-ID: <436AC3C6.6090209@rogers.com> Hi I have two servers installed with k12ltsp 4.4.1 on one sound works fine. The other I only get sound if I open a terminal window an run the applications from the command prompt. (Flash does work fine in Firefox though). I figure that Gnome is not picking up the correct settings but I don't know where to look. Any idea what might be happening? Tim From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Nov 4 02:18:28 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:18:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] command to change the private network settings for K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <4368E11F.9080308@remc1.org> References: <1130945461.14073.7.camel@phoenix.hhp> <4368E11F.9080308@remc1.org> Message-ID: <1131070708.3419.13.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 10:54 -0500, Scott Sherrill wrote: > Henry Burroughs wrote: > > > Is there a script to change all the private network settings > > (/etc/hosts, lts.conf, and other files)? That way if someone is > > trying to deploy it already on a 192.168.0.* network, they can > > "instantly" switch over to a network of their choice? > > > > I am giving a presentation Friday at SCISA in SC, and I want to be > > prepared! =) > > > > A crudely cobbled solution written in less than 5 lines. > > !Please! be careful with its use. ;-) > > The script takes 3 items from the command line and changes all items > specified first with items specified second in the file specified third > > ex call: quickhack 192.168.0 10.1.1 /etc/hosts > > The example above would change all 192.168.0 with 10.1.1 in /etc/hosts > > > #!/bin/sh > perl -pi -e "s/$1/$2/g" $3 > > > Do with it as you will. > > Scott Don't forget that you've got to do the same thing to at least /opt/ltsp/i86/etc/lts.conf, not just /etc/hosts. Also, you've got to tweak the stuff under /etc/sysconfig/. This is typically why I choose something like 172.16.31.0/24 or 192.168.254.0/24 from the get- go; very few people seem to think of using those ranges. :-) --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Nov 4 02:42:33 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:42:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] good, cheap pci video card? In-Reply-To: <1131041619.15451.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20051103171755.69182.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1131041619.15451.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1131072153.3419.36.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 10:13 -0800, Quentin Hartman wrote: > On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 09:17 -0800, Rob Owens wrote: > > I have 2 thin clients with significantly different > > performance, and I was thinking it was due to the > > different video cards (but maybe I'm wrong). The > > faster thin client has an AGP card (1x, I think). The > > slower one has a PCI card with, I think, 2 MB RAM. > > > > On the slower thin client, simple things like quickly > > dragging a scroll bar in OpenOffice or Nautilus > > results in choppy video (the screen jumps instead of > > scrolling). If I've got a 2MB PCI card, is this the > > best performance I can hope for? Or will getting a > > better PCI video card help? Or perhaps my problem is > > in the network hardware, and not the video card... > > Replacing the video card is a good place to start. Non-accelerated 2d > video can be a big drain on the client's CPU. I had a similar situation > in the temrinals I mentioned earlier in this thread. Moving them to the > Matrox cards improved screen re-draw speed significantly. > Seconded, Quentin. The terminal I'm running right now is a Pentium II-233 with a Matrox Millenium G400 AGP card in it (can we say, "overkill"?), and this thing, naturally, just flies. ZZZOOOOMMMM!!!!!! My favourite PCI-based video chipset for LTSP, though, isn't the Matrox G400 (too pricey); it's actually the ATI 3D Rage Pro. There are several models of card that use that chipset; a few are as follows. ATI Xpert at Work ATI Xpert at Play ATI Xpert98 Any generic video card using the 3D Rage Pro chip These cards, with either 4MB or 8MB video RAM, can be had for $5 if you shop halfway decently. They're fast, they're cheap, they're plentiful, and they're very well supported by X11. If you can't find those, though, then any video card based on the Rage 128 (e. g. Xpert 2000) or Radeon (up to and including the Radeon 7500) are excellent choices. They might cost a few dollars more, though. If you only need a couple, then you might as well go for the Radeons just for the coolness factor. :-) The S3 Trio64 chipset, I've found, is another chipset that, while certainly outperformed by the 3D Rage Pro and later, is still quite sufficient for LTSP work. This is the one used on the venerable Diamond Stealth64. Generic Trio64V+ and Trio64V2 boards are actually what most of my terminals have; all have 2MB of video RAM. The acid test that I generally use for a chipset is TuxType; if that game plays well on it, then I consider it good for LTSP. STAY AWAY FROM THE ORIGINAL ATI MACH64! IT IS A S--L--O--W--W--W DAWG! (sorry to be so subtle here) --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My solution was to make sure that lts.conf was told to use ESD instead of NASD (that allowed sound to work right in GNOME), and I also told KDE to use ESD. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlegge at rogers.com Fri Nov 4 02:57:02 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:57:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Sound issue with Gnome In-Reply-To: <1131072476.3419.40.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20051104025702.96657.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- "Terrell Prud???, Jr." > > I have two servers installed with k12ltsp 4.4.1 on > one sound works fine. > > > > The other I only get sound if I open a terminal > window an run the > > applications from the command prompt. (Flash does > work fine in Firefox > > though). > > > > I figure that Gnome is not picking up the correct > settings but I don't > > know where to look. Any idea what might be > happening? > > > > Tim > > > > I ran into sound problems with certain apps, > especially since I run KDE. > My solution was to make sure that lts.conf was told > to use ESD instead > of NASD (that allowed sound to work right in GNOME), > and I also told KDE > to use ESD. I am using esd and the issue seems to be with tuxmath, gcompris, childsplay etc. I still can't figure out why launching the apps from a terminal windows works but does not via the gnome application launchers (short cuts). Thanks Tim From nbs at sonic.net Fri Nov 4 03:23:00 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:23:00 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound issue with Gnome In-Reply-To: <20051104025702.96657.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <1131072476.3419.40.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051104025702.96657.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051104032300.GB29038@sonic.net> On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 09:57:02PM -0500, Timothy Legge wrote: > I still can't figure out why launching the apps from a > terminal windows works but does not via the gnome > application launchers (short cuts). Do the shortcuts pass any command-line arguments, or set an env. vars? Are any env. vars set when you run from the terminal that, for some reason, are not set when you access them via app. launchers in Gnome? Maybe some reference to the sound system is/isn't being set...? -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 05:36:52 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:36:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Add your site to the LTSP/K12LTSP map In-Reply-To: References: <20051102040003.M86104@winonacotter.org> <200511021012.47877.vk@os-academy.dk> <4368DAC3.2000604@ragnar.mine.nu> Message-ID: 199 sites tonight and counting! And I know of so many that aren't even listed. My goal is to have 1,000 sites by January 1. Think of how great that will be to show people who are considering LTSP... If you have branch sites that you have listed as one, you might consider adding the branch sites as well. Especially if people zoom in on the map and can then find someone quite local to them. Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com From info at proex-india.com Fri Nov 4 08:10:23 2005 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 13:40:23 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Pointer Movement with ICEWM Success Message-ID: <200511040842.jA48gk3s028752@mx3.redhat.com> Hello All, Xalf workd well with Icewm , I have tried with using xtdesk , which gives Icons on Icewm desktop. You need to build your own menu which will run batch files redirected with xtdesk command. Like office in /usr/bin will run Openoffice with soffice file located in /opt/openoffice/program directory. Add xalf with options to that and you will have pointer movements with ICEWM Regards K Dinesh *********************************************************************** In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? *********************************************************************** This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by software viruses. *********************************************************************** -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/161 - Release Date: 11/3/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/161 - Release Date: 11/3/05 From tlegge at rogers.com Fri Nov 4 11:30:37 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 07:30:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound issue with Gnome In-Reply-To: <20051104032300.GB29038@sonic.net> References: <1131072476.3419.40.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051104025702.96657.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20051104032300.GB29038@sonic.net> Message-ID: <436B465D.3030209@rogers.com> Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 09:57:02PM -0500, Timothy Legge wrote: > >>I still can't figure out why launching the apps from a >>terminal windows works but does not via the gnome >>application launchers (short cuts). > > > Do the shortcuts pass any command-line arguments, or set an env. vars? > Are any env. vars set when you run from the terminal that, for some > reason, are not set when you access them via app. launchers in Gnome? > > Maybe some reference to the sound system is/isn't being set...? > That is pretty much what I think. Somehow gnome is not setting the sound variables. I guess a diff between the two etc directories (one working one not) my bring it to light. Tim From gumprechtm at msad3.org Fri Nov 4 11:36:08 2005 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 06:36:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re-sent: Upgrade from K12LTSP 4.2 to 4.4.1 how to transfer SMBLDAPinfo In-Reply-To: <1131063972.15451.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200511032328.jA3NSgwR021450@dbmail-mx3.orcon.co.nz> <1131063972.15451.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <436B47A8.10208@msad3.org> I have not done this either.....but Brian wrote this for setting up the slave. http://www.chivers.info/Samba3-OpenLDAP-slave-server-config.html Mark Quentin Hartman wrote: >On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 12:28 +1300, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > >>I currently have a K12LTSP 4.2 system running with SMBLDAP providing >>authentication and homes users on LTSP client computers and windows >>machines. >>I decided I wanted to try out Crossover Office 5 (but not on the current >>production server), so I have installed K12LTSP 4.4.1 on a new box and >>installed Crossover Office 5. What do I have to do now to set up SMBLDAP and >>transfer all the user authentication info to this new box so it can become >>the official new server and I can use the other server for other purposes. >>I have gigabit connection between the servers, so copying files is pretty >>quick. >> >> > >I'm hardly an SMBLDAP expert, but my best guess would be to setup the >new box as you did the old box, but make the new box an ldap slave to >the old box and let ldap do all the replication of user data itself. >Once that's done and you're convinced it works, shut down the old ldap >server and "promote" the slave box to being stand-alone and change the >smbldap configs accordingly. > >Note that I've never *actually done* any of the above, but it seems like >it ought to work. In theory, anyway. > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From gumprechtm at msad3.org Fri Nov 4 11:45:58 2005 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 06:45:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re-sent: Upgrade from K12LTSP 4.2 to 4.4.1 how to transfer SMBLDAPinfo In-Reply-To: <436B47A8.10208@msad3.org> References: <200511032328.jA3NSgwR021450@dbmail-mx3.orcon.co.nz> <1131063972.15451.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <436B47A8.10208@msad3.org> Message-ID: <436B49F6.7060406@msad3.org> Also' The official howto http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/upgrades.html#id2582859 HTH Mark Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I have not done this either.....but Brian wrote this for setting up > the slave. > http://www.chivers.info/Samba3-OpenLDAP-slave-server-config.html > > Mark > > Quentin Hartman wrote: > >> On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 12:28 +1300, Krsnendu dasa wrote: >> >> >>> I currently have a K12LTSP 4.2 system running with SMBLDAP providing >>> authentication and homes users on LTSP client computers and windows >>> machines. >>> I decided I wanted to try out Crossover Office 5 (but not on the >>> current >>> production server), so I have installed K12LTSP 4.4.1 on a new box and >>> installed Crossover Office 5. What do I have to do now to set up >>> SMBLDAP and >>> transfer all the user authentication info to this new box so it can >>> become >>> the official new server and I can use the other server for other >>> purposes. >>> I have gigabit connection between the servers, so copying files is >>> pretty >>> quick. >>> >> >> >> I'm hardly an SMBLDAP expert, but my best guess would be to setup the >> new box as you did the old box, but make the new box an ldap slave to >> the old box and let ldap do all the replication of user data itself. >> Once that's done and you're convinced it works, shut down the old ldap >> server and "promote" the slave box to being stand-alone and change the >> smbldap configs accordingly. >> >> Note that I've never *actually done* any of the above, but it seems like >> it ought to work. In theory, anyway. >> >> >> > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 4 12:23:17 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 04:23:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] edubuntu ltsp Open Office 1.15 cannot print. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051104122317.60714.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I recall reading something about a bug in OpenOffice for Ubuntu where OpenOffice would always try to print to A4 size paper (no good for those of us in the USA). One of the Ubuntu forums had instructions on which cups configuration file to change, but I don't recall which one it was. Basically, A4 appears first in that file, and that's what OpenOffice finds first and tries to print to. The instructions on the forum said to move "Letter" to the top of the list so that OpenOffice will see it first and automatically select it. Sorry I can't be more specific. Try googling for A4, OpenOffice, Letter, etc. -Rob --- Glenn Arnold wrote: > I can not print from Open Office 1.15, but I can > print from Firefox and > gedit print with no problems. Any suggestions? > > Thanks > -Glenn Arnold > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Fri Nov 4 13:05:15 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:05:15 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] =?utf-8?q?R=C3=A9p=2E_=3A_=5BK12OSN=5D_init?= 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200511040805.15676.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Wednesday 02 November 2005 13:08, Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > Does the LTSP server have to start init 5 to enable the clients to have > a display? I changed my default init to 3 and rebooted the server, > then my client came up with the infamous "X" on a gray screeen. When I > changed it back to init 5 and rebooted, the client worked fine. > The link for getting the server to run without the X server is: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3ABooting%3AServer -- Thanks, John From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Nov 4 14:52:48 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:52:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re-sent: Upgrade from K12LTSP 4.2 to 4.4.1 how=?ISO-8859-1?Q? to ?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q? transfer_?= SMBLDA In-Reply-To: <436B47A8.10208@msad3.org> References: <200511032328.jA3NSgwR021450@dbmail-mx3.orcon.co.nz> < > <1131063972.15451.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <436B47A8.10208@msad3.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Fri Nov 4 2005 at 06:36 +0000 wrote: >I have not done this either.....but Brian wrote this for setting up the >slave. >http://www.chivers.info/Samba3-OpenLDAP-slave-server-config.html > >Mark run slapcat -l filename to save the LDAP database to a file....move the file to the new server....stop slapd....delete /var/lib/ldap/ files......then run slapadd -l filename to restore the saved database over the old (erased) one David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Fri Nov 4 15:09:48 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:09:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound issue with Gnome In-Reply-To: <436B465D.3030209@rogers.com> References: <1131072476.3419.40.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051104025702.96657.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20051104032300.GB29038@sonic.net> <436B465D.3030209@rogers.com> Message-ID: <436B79BC.8000605@maltzen.net> When a terminal is launched, aren't the various bash rc and profile scripts run, e.g. /etc/bash_profile, ~/.bashrc, ~/.bash_profile? If I'm correct, look in those scripts to see if anything relevant is being set that would make the apps work when called from a terminal. Petre Timothy Legge wrote: > Bill Kendrick wrote: > >> On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 09:57:02PM -0500, Timothy Legge wrote: >> >>> I still can't figure out why launching the apps from a >>> terminal windows works but does not via the gnome >>> application launchers (short cuts). >> >> >> >> Do the shortcuts pass any command-line arguments, or set an env. vars? >> Are any env. vars set when you run from the terminal that, for some >> reason, are not set when you access them via app. launchers in Gnome? >> >> Maybe some reference to the sound system is/isn't being set...? >> > That is pretty much what I think. Somehow gnome is not setting the > sound variables. I guess a diff between the two etc directories (one > working one not) my bring it to light. > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From moquist at majen.net Fri Nov 4 16:47:41 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 11:47:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade from K12LTSP 4.2 to 4.4.1 how to transfer SMBLDAPinfo (Krsnendu dasa) In-Reply-To: <20051104122331.B7EB173419@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051104122331.B7EB173419@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20051104164741.GA32539@majen.net> > From: "Krsnendu dasa" > Subject: [K12OSN] Re-sent: Upgrade from K12LTSP 4.2 to 4.4.1 how to transfer SMBLDAPinfo > I currently have a K12LTSP 4.2 system running with SMBLDAP providing > authentication and homes users on LTSP client computers and windows > machines. > I decided I wanted to try out Crossover Office 5 (but not on the current > production server), so I have installed K12LTSP 4.4.1 on a new box and > installed Crossover Office 5. What do I have to do now to set up SMBLDAP and > transfer all the user authentication info to this new box so it can become > the official new server and I can use the other server for other purposes. > I have gigabit connection between the servers, so copying files is pretty > quick. What you want to do is configure Samba/LDAP on your new server with the same settings you have on your old server (same base_dn, same Windows domain, etc.). Then run slapcat to get an LDIF file of your database. Copy that LDIF file to your new server and do a 'slapadd' to read it in. The slapadd may take a while, especially if you have a large database. If you use the Berkeley Database (BDB), then you could consider temporarily adding "dbnosync" to your /etc/slapd.conf to speed this up dramatically. ('man slapd-bdb' for more explanation) --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So, if you do a normal login and drag the icons that you want use from the gnome menu onto the desktop, then from a cygwin bash shell on the windows box: export DISPLAY=:0 Xwin -multiwindow -clipboard & ssh -Y server log in.. nautilus & a Linux desktop window should open and icons and folders should work as you expect, except that now they run in independent MS windows that mix with native apps and you can cut and past text among them. If you forgot a launcher you can still right-mouse on the desktop, open a terminal and type the program name. If you want, you can minimize the Linux desktop and leave the apps open on your MS desktop. This may not help if your goal is to eliminate windows, but it's a handy approach while the systems have to co-exist. You just have to clean up after nautilus' habit of opening a new window for every location if you browse around much. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From julius at turtle.com Fri Nov 4 18:53:20 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 13:53:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd.conf trouble Message-ID: Dear Folks, I'm installing a Mitel 3340 IP phone system that needs to co-exist with k12ltsp. The Mitel docs tell me to run the phones on their own VLAN. Fine, dhcp is served on eth0 - 192.168.30.0/24, the Mitel box goes on this segment too, the VLAN for phones will be 192.168.31.0/24. According to the docs I need to add the following lines to dhcpd.conf: #option option-03 code 03 = string; #option option-130 code 130 = text; #option option-132 code 132 = string; #option option-133 code 133 = string; #option option-03 = "192.168.30.254"; #option option-128 = "192.168.31.254"; #option option-129 = "192.168.31.254"; #option option-130 = "MITEL IP PHONE"; #option option-132 = 2; #option option-133 = 6; When I add them uncommented and restart dhcpd, the PCs on the 192.168.30.0 segment get addresses all right, but default gateway and DNS are not set. I seem to be missing something obvious. Thanks, julius P.S. If you know of a good tutorial on VLANs, please send me a link, I must have been dozing off when that was covered :-) From edward at netday.org.za Fri Nov 4 19:02:56 2005 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 21:02:56 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd.conf trouble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B7D7125-D6BA-4534-89EA-251359044BE1@netday.org.za> Julias Not sure if this is an answer to your question, but we run our Mitel phones off an Asterisk PABX on the same VLAN as the K12LTSP server, and the K12 box gives IP addresses to the phones. Maybe a separate VLAN is better, but I can attest to the fact that they work just fine on the same VLAN, without any unusual settings required. We have a fairly low traffic volume on our LAN - around 20 thin clients and only 5 IP phones, which may be why we don't have a problem . No problems with default gateway and DNS in our arrangement, using an almost standard form of Eric's dhcpd.conf. cheers ed On 04 Nov 2005, at 8:53 PM, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Dear Folks, > I'm installing a Mitel 3340 IP phone system that needs to co-exist > with k12ltsp. The Mitel docs tell me to run the phones on their own > VLAN. > Fine, dhcp is served on eth0 - 192.168.30.0/24, the Mitel box goes > on this > segment too, the VLAN for phones will be 192.168.31.0/24. According > to the > docs I need to add the following lines to dhcpd.conf: > > #option option-03 code 03 = string; > #option option-130 code 130 = text; > #option option-132 code 132 = string; > #option option-133 code 133 = string; > #option option-03 = "192.168.30.254"; > #option option-128 = "192.168.31.254"; > #option option-129 = "192.168.31.254"; > #option option-130 = "MITEL IP PHONE"; > #option option-132 = 2; > #option option-133 = 6; > > When I add them uncommented and restart dhcpd, the PCs on the > 192.168.30.0 > segment get addresses all right, but default gateway and DNS are > not set. > I seem to be missing something obvious. Thanks, julius > > P.S. If you know of a good tutorial on VLANs, please send me a link, I > must have been dozing off when that was covered :-) > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Nov 4 19:25:12 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 11:25:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd.conf trouble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Dear Folks, > I'm installing a Mitel 3340 IP phone system that needs to co-exist > with k12ltsp. The Mitel docs tell me to run the phones on their own VLAN. > Fine, dhcp is served on eth0 - 192.168.30.0/24, the Mitel box goes on this > segment too, the VLAN for phones will be 192.168.31.0/24. According to the > docs I need to add the following lines to dhcpd.conf: > > #option option-03 code 03 = string; > #option option-130 code 130 = text; > #option option-132 code 132 = string; > #option option-133 code 133 = string; > #option option-03 = "192.168.30.254"; > #option option-128 = "192.168.31.254"; > #option option-129 = "192.168.31.254"; > #option option-130 = "MITEL IP PHONE"; > #option option-132 = 2; > #option option-133 = 6; > > When I add them uncommented and restart dhcpd, the PCs on the 192.168.30.0 > segment get addresses all right, but default gateway and DNS are not set. > I seem to be missing something obvious. Thanks, julius > > P.S. If you know of a good tutorial on VLANs, please send me a link, I > must have been dozing off when that was covered :-) One of the school districts I support happens to have the same setup as you do ;-) Here is the solution I came up with for them.... option option-130 code 130 = text; option option-132 code 132 = string; option option-133 code 133 = string; subnet 10.20.0.0 netmask 255.255.128.0 { default-lease-time 86400; max-lease-time 864000; range 10.20.2.1 10.20.3.254; option routers 10.20.1.1; option subnet-mask 255.255.128.0; if (option vendor-class-identifier = null) { option option-130 "MITEL IP PHONE"; option option-132 0000:0000:0000:0002; option option-133 0000:0000:0000:0005; } } The big trick is zero-padding options 132 & 133. -Eric From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 4 20:07:40 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 14:07:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd.conf trouble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1131134860.14398.28.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 12:53, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > P.S. If you know of a good tutorial on VLANs, please send me a link, I > must have been dozing off when that was covered :-) VLANs basically add a small header around the normal ethernet header to tag packets so they can be isolated. Sometimes the router/switch equipment does all of the management, exposing only a single VLAN on each connection; sometimes you use a trunk connection to other vlan-aware equipment which then can appear to have multiple virtual interfaces fron the single physical connection. I don't think it is documented very well but Linux is supposed to be able to handle vlan trunks and sub-interfaces. But, the point of running the phones on a different VLAN would be to isolate the traffic physically so in this case you probably want the switch or router to do it instead of carrying them over to the server on the same trunk. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From julius at turtle.com Fri Nov 4 20:29:03 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 15:29:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd.conf trouble In-Reply-To: <1131134860.14398.28.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 12:53, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > P.S. If you know of a good tutorial on VLANs, please send me a link, I > > must have been dozing off when that was covered :-) > > VLANs basically add a small header around the normal ethernet header > to tag packets so they can be isolated. Sometimes the router/switch > equipment does all of the management, exposing only a single VLAN > on each connection; sometimes you use a trunk connection to other > vlan-aware equipment which then can appear to have multiple virtual > interfaces fron the single physical connection. I don't think it > is documented very well but Linux is supposed to be able to handle > vlan trunks and sub-interfaces. But, the point of running the phones > on a different VLAN would be to isolate the traffic physically so > in this case you probably want the switch or router to do it instead > of carrying them over to the server on the same trunk. > Les, yes it is my preference to run the phones on a separate physical segment, but it is not an option. The switch is going in today/tomorrow and I have to use existing cabling, so the PCs and terminals will attach to ethernet ports on the phones. The VLAN "thing" according to the Mitel docs would work somewhat like this: 1. the phone gets dhcp address on VLAN 1 (my current real segment) 192.168.30.x 2. the phone talks to Mitel switch on VLAN 1, gets from it an address on VLAN 2 (192.168.31.x) 3. the phone releases address on VLAN 1 4. PC gets an address on VLAN 1 I am a bit lost here since I have "missed" the material on VLANs and I am in NJ, the Mitel switch is in TX and I can't get there before Sunday. It all needs to work by Monday morning - the old phone setup has cratered, so I'm getting a new toy and the Company moves to IP phones. I need to know what to do about VLANs on my HP Procurve switches - not too hard according to the manuals and what to do about routing between VLANs. It should be easy, since the whole ball of wax is run on a K12Ltsp server, but I'm missing some crucial bits here. julius From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Nov 4 20:43:50 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:43:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd.conf trouble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > >> On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 12:53, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >> >>> P.S. If you know of a good tutorial on VLANs, please send me a link, I >>> must have been dozing off when that was covered :-) >> >> VLANs basically add a small header around the normal ethernet header >> to tag packets so they can be isolated. Sometimes the router/switch >> equipment does all of the management, exposing only a single VLAN >> on each connection; sometimes you use a trunk connection to other >> vlan-aware equipment which then can appear to have multiple virtual >> interfaces fron the single physical connection. I don't think it >> is documented very well but Linux is supposed to be able to handle >> vlan trunks and sub-interfaces. But, the point of running the phones >> on a different VLAN would be to isolate the traffic physically so >> in this case you probably want the switch or router to do it instead >> of carrying them over to the server on the same trunk. >> > Les, > yes it is my preference to run the phones on a separate physical > segment, but it is not an option. The switch is going in today/tomorrow > and I have to use existing cabling, so the PCs and terminals will attach > to ethernet ports on the phones. The VLAN "thing" according to the Mitel > docs would work somewhat like this: > 1. the phone gets dhcp address on VLAN 1 (my current real segment) > 192.168.30.x > 2. the phone talks to Mitel switch on VLAN 1, gets from it an address on > VLAN 2 (192.168.31.x) > 3. the phone releases address on VLAN 1 > 4. PC gets an address on VLAN 1 > > I am a bit lost here since I have "missed" the material on VLANs and I am > in NJ, the Mitel switch is in TX and I can't get there before Sunday. It > all needs to work by Monday morning - the old phone setup has cratered, so > I'm getting a new toy and the Company moves to IP phones. > > I need to know what to do about VLANs on my HP Procurve switches - not too > hard according to the manuals and what to do about routing between VLANs. > It should be easy, since the whole ball of wax is run on a K12Ltsp server, > but I'm missing some crucial bits here. > > julius Here is a revised sample dhcp.conf that should meet your needs... assuming that the Mitel kit is providing DHCP on VLAN 2 and your K12LTSP server is providing DHCP on VLAN 1 (that's how my school district is setup). option option-130 code 130 = text; option option-132 code 132 = string; option option-133 code 133 = string; subnet 192.168.30.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { default-lease-time 86400; max-lease-time 864000; range 192.168.30.2 192.168.30.254; option routers 192.168.30.1; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; if (option vendor-class-identifier = null) { option option-130 "MITEL IP PHONE"; option option-132 0000:0000:0000:0002; option option-133 0000:0000:0000:0005; } } -Eric From julius at turtle.com Fri Nov 4 21:31:43 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 16:31:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd.conf trouble In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 12:53, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > >> > >>> P.S. If you know of a good tutorial on VLANs, please send me a link, I > >>> must have been dozing off when that was covered :-) > >> > >> VLANs basically add a small header around the normal ethernet header > >> to tag packets so they can be isolated. Sometimes the router/switch > >> equipment does all of the management, exposing only a single VLAN > >> on each connection; sometimes you use a trunk connection to other > >> vlan-aware equipment which then can appear to have multiple virtual > >> interfaces fron the single physical connection. I don't think it > >> is documented very well but Linux is supposed to be able to handle > >> vlan trunks and sub-interfaces. But, the point of running the phones > >> on a different VLAN would be to isolate the traffic physically so > >> in this case you probably want the switch or router to do it instead > >> of carrying them over to the server on the same trunk. > >> > > Les, > > yes it is my preference to run the phones on a separate physical > > segment, but it is not an option. The switch is going in today/tomorrow > > and I have to use existing cabling, so the PCs and terminals will attach > > to ethernet ports on the phones. The VLAN "thing" according to the Mitel > > docs would work somewhat like this: > > 1. the phone gets dhcp address on VLAN 1 (my current real segment) > > 192.168.30.x > > 2. the phone talks to Mitel switch on VLAN 1, gets from it an address on > > VLAN 2 (192.168.31.x) > > 3. the phone releases address on VLAN 1 > > 4. PC gets an address on VLAN 1 > > > > I am a bit lost here since I have "missed" the material on VLANs and I am > > in NJ, the Mitel switch is in TX and I can't get there before Sunday. It > > all needs to work by Monday morning - the old phone setup has cratered, so > > I'm getting a new toy and the Company moves to IP phones. > > > > I need to know what to do about VLANs on my HP Procurve switches - not too > > hard according to the manuals and what to do about routing between VLANs. > > It should be easy, since the whole ball of wax is run on a K12Ltsp server, > > but I'm missing some crucial bits here. > > > > julius > > > Here is a revised sample dhcp.conf that should meet your needs... assuming > that the Mitel kit is providing DHCP on VLAN 2 and your K12LTSP server > is providing DHCP on VLAN 1 (that's how my school district is setup). > > > option option-130 code 130 = text; > option option-132 code 132 = string; > option option-133 code 133 = string; > > subnet 192.168.30.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { > default-lease-time 86400; > max-lease-time 864000; > range 192.168.30.2 192.168.30.254; > option routers 192.168.30.1; > option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; > if (option vendor-class-identifier = null) { > option option-130 "MITEL IP PHONE"; > option option-132 0000:0000:0000:0002; > option option-133 0000:0000:0000:0005; > } > } Eric, thank you. This how i interpreted your first response. For the moment dhcpd works fine and i'll find out later (the actual hardware is not in place yet) what changes i'll have to make to break it again :-) julius From hick518 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 5 18:26:20 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 10:26:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] interesting way to use Cygwin/X In-Reply-To: <1131126086.14116.56.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20051105182620.25354.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is there a way to get GNOME to give you the applications menu by right-clicking on the desktop? (Like the way it works in XFCE, IceWM, and others) -Rob --- Les Mikesell wrote: > You can use Cygwin/X under windows in both -query > mode to get what > appears to be a singe MS window containing a > complete Linux desktop > or in -multiwindow mode to get single apps, each in > what appears to > be it's own independent MS window. However I just > noticed what happens > if you run nautilus in -multiwindow mode: You get a > window containing > your desktop minus the task bars and menus, but > still having the ability > to start programs by double-clicking on any launcher > icons - and they > start in independent windows. So, if you do a > normal login and drag > the icons that you want use from the gnome menu onto > the desktop, then > from a cygwin bash shell on the windows box: > > export DISPLAY=:0 > Xwin -multiwindow -clipboard & > ssh -Y server > log in.. > nautilus & > > a Linux desktop window should open and icons and > folders should work as > you expect, except that now they run in independent > MS windows that > mix with native apps and you can cut and past text > among them. If you > forgot a launcher you can still right-mouse on the > desktop, open a > terminal and type the program name. If you want, > you can minimize > the Linux desktop and leave the apps open on your MS > desktop. > > This may not help if your goal is to eliminate > windows, but it's > a handy approach while the systems have to co-exist. > You just have > to clean up after nautilus' habit of opening a new > window for > every location if you browse around much. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From les at futuresource.com Sat Nov 5 19:54:22 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:54:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] interesting way to use Cygwin/X In-Reply-To: <20051105182620.25354.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051105182620.25354.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1131220462.28686.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 12:26, Rob Owens wrote: > Is there a way to get GNOME to give you the > applications menu by right-clicking on the desktop? > (Like the way it works in XFCE, IceWM, and others) I don't think so. I'd really like to be able to execute just the gnome menu button remotely so it would automatically pick up new programs as installed but I haven't found any way to do it. You can sort-of get access to the launchers by throwing a symlink to /usr/share/applications on your desktop but there is no organization and a lot of junk. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Sat Nov 5 20:05:03 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:05:03 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] interesting way to use Cygwin/X In-Reply-To: <1131220462.28686.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <20051105182620.25354.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1131220462.28686.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <96df2e0b0511051205g493a0d59j@mail.gmail.com> Why not write a small GTK application (if you're not a hardcore programmer - perhaps with something like PHP-GTK), install the full putty suite (or use cygwin/ssh) on the machine, create a PPK (Putty Keygen) (or ssh_keygen) file and use plink (or ssh) with the Keygen file to trigger that app? Then you can have a batch file or a shortcut on your start menu to open that app (using plink to launch the app). I'll try to see if I can put something together like that during the week if I get a chance. With this, you could create a linux kiosk for windows (or potentially more linux?) On 05/11/05, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 12:26, Rob Owens wrote: > > Is there a way to get GNOME to give you the > > applications menu by right-clicking on the desktop? > > (Like the way it works in XFCE, IceWM, and others) > > I don't think so. I'd really like to be able to > execute just the gnome menu button remotely so > it would automatically pick up new programs as > installed but I haven't found any way to do it. > > You can sort-of get access to the launchers by > throwing a symlink to /usr/share/applications on > your desktop but there is no organization and a > lot of junk. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From les at futuresource.com Sat Nov 5 20:19:55 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 14:19:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] interesting way to use Cygwin/X In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b0511051205g493a0d59j@mail.gmail.com> References: <20051105182620.25354.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1131220462.28686.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <96df2e0b0511051205g493a0d59j@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1131221994.28905.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 14:05, Jon Spriggs wrote: > Why not write a small GTK application (if you're not a hardcore > programmer - perhaps with something like PHP-GTK), install the full > putty suite (or use cygwin/ssh) on the machine, create a PPK (Putty > Keygen) (or ssh_keygen) file and use plink (or ssh) with the Keygen > file to trigger that app? Then you can have a batch file or a shortcut > on your start menu to open that app (using plink to launch the app). > > I'll try to see if I can put something together like that during the > week if I get a chance. > > With this, you could create a linux kiosk for windows (or potentially > more linux?) A Cygwin bash script is all you need on the windows side to start it the remote nautilus and you could hook that to a windows icon. I suppose it would help if you could detect if X had already been started or not to avoid an error if it is already running. The problem with the menu is that you have to construct the launchers in the filesystem yourself instead of getting new programs added as installed like in the gnome menu. However, for many purposes a small, controlled set of choices would be better anyway. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Sat Nov 5 20:51:24 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:51:24 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] interesting way to use Cygwin/X In-Reply-To: <1131221994.28905.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <20051105182620.25354.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1131220462.28686.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <96df2e0b0511051205g493a0d59j@mail.gmail.com> <1131221994.28905.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <96df2e0b0511051251u4c89d32fg@mail.gmail.com> On 05/11/05, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 14:05, Jon Spriggs wrote: > > Why not write a small GTK application (if you're not a hardcore > > programmer - perhaps with something like PHP-GTK) > > With this, you could create a linux kiosk for windows (or potentially > > more linux?) > The > problem with the menu is that you have to construct the launchers > in the filesystem yourself instead of getting new programs > added as installed like in the gnome menu. Not necessarily, you could query the GCONF daemon, and see what that hands back? -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From robark at gmail.com Sat Nov 5 23:31:59 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:31:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Recommendations for test authoring software? Message-ID: This is nothing to do with k12ltsp but I think many on this list need to make paper based exams for students. Is there any software for teachers to make paper based exams on Linux. I have heard of Hot Potatoes but that only runs under Wine. Also Keduca is not meant for paper exams. Wondering if anyone knows of a native app that supports printing and multiple choice alternative scrambling? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Sun Nov 6 00:08:24 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 16:08:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Try this utility to test your thin client network Message-ID: I wrote this tiny C program to automate testing my thin client network. All you need to do is compile it and then run it as root. Root is required for ping to work in flood mode. 1) save the code below as a file. Say nettest.c *make sure the last line is blank 2) $gcc nettest.c -o nettest 3) #./nettest or you can save your output to a file like this #./netstat > outputfile //=============================== // A little utility to check thin client LTSP network // Author: Robert Arkiletian #include #include #include int main() { FILE* fp=popen("netstat -t -e|grep x11|sed -e 's/:/ /g'|\ awk '{print $6}'|grep -v root|sort|uniq","r"); char ip[64]; while ( fgets(ip,sizeof(ip)-1,fp) ) { char ping[64]="ping -c100 -f -p aa "; system( strcat(ping,ip) ); } pclose(fp); return 0; } //=============================== -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Sun Nov 6 00:32:00 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 16:32:00 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Try this utility to test your thin client network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you don't want to run the program as root then just change the '-f' to a '-A' > char ping[64]="ping -c100 -f -p aa "; Note: If you change it to Adaptive '-A' ping you will get a lot more output and the test will take much longer. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From kempton at maine.rr.com Sun Nov 6 16:25:46 2005 From: kempton at maine.rr.com (Dick Kempton) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 11:25:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new install help needed Message-ID: I recently installed version 4.4.1 on my computer that only had one NIC. All worked fine and I was able to connect to my Road Runner connection thru a cable modem. When I installed a second NIC, a 3com 3cSOHO100-TX, the default set up connected to my client computer correctly. But now neither client nor server can connect to Internet. Eth1 is set to DHCP and eth0 is set statically to 192.168.0.254. I even did a fresh install with both cards installed and used all of the defaults. I still have no Internet access. How can I get eth1 to connect as it did previously before the second card was installed??? Thanks for any help. DK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The reason for this is that I've found some poorly-made gear that chokes at an Ethernet frame size beyond 1500 bytes, and also it's helped me to check gear that's starting to fail. Recently, we had an issue with the Cisco 3750M switch, which was revealed by doing this. Also, I'll typically run 1,000 packets per ping session. I do that because of a problem similar to one that I had to track down and fix this last week. At times, 100-200 pings would get through, but it'd choke for maybe half a second to five seconds after that. The problem turned out to be a malfunctioning wireless access point in a box somewhere in the school; it was claiming to be the spanning tree root (yes, I put on rootguard afterwards). One other thing about both the -A and the -i parameters: my reading tells me that, if you're not root, the minimum interval you'll be able to get is one packet every 200ms, is that your experience as well? --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Nov 6 16:39:49 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 11:39:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new install help needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1131295189.3419.89.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 11:25 -0500, Dick Kempton wrote: > I recently installed version 4.4.1 on my computer that only had one > NIC. All worked fine and I was able to connect to my Road Runner > connection thru a cable modem. > > > > When I installed a second NIC, a 3com 3cSOHO100-TX, the default set up > connected to my client computer correctly. But?now neither client nor > server can connect to Internet. Eth1 is set to DHCP and eth0 is set > statically to 192.168.0.254. > > > > I even did a fresh install with both cards installed and used all of > the defaults. I still have no Internet access. How can I get eth1 to > connect as it did previously before the second card was installed??? > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > DK Shoot us a copy of your "/sbin/ifconfig" and "netstat -rn" outputs. I suspect a routing issue. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you have configured a default gateway in the eth1 configuration, remove it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From kempton at maine.rr.com Sun Nov 6 18:36:43 2005 From: kempton at maine.rr.com (Dick Kempton) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:36:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new install help needed In-Reply-To: <1131295189.3419.89.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: Thanks for offer. I have attached the files to this message. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Terrell Prud?, Jr. Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 11:40 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] new install help needed On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 11:25 -0500, Dick Kempton wrote: I recently installed version 4.4.1 on my computer that only had one NIC. All worked fine and I was able to connect to my Road Runner connection thru a cable modem. When I installed a second NIC, a 3com 3cSOHO100-TX, the default set up connected to my client computer correctly. But?now neither client nor server can connect to Internet. Eth1 is set to DHCP and eth0 is set statically to 192.168.0.254. I even did a fresh install with both cards installed and used all of the defaults. I still have no Internet access. How can I get eth1 to connect as it did previously before the second card was installed??? Thanks for any help. DK Shoot us a copy of your "/sbin/ifconfig" and "netstat -rn" outputs. I suspect a routing issue. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: outputs.doc Type: application/msword Size: 12288 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kempton at maine.rr.com Sun Nov 6 19:28:20 2005 From: kempton at maine.rr.com (Dick Kempton) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:28:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new install help needed In-Reply-To: <1131300063.11442.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: Thank you for your reply. It seems that by not automatically setting the DNS, all is well. Thanks again. This was a small but bugging problem. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 1:01 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] new install help needed On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 10:25, Dick Kempton wrote: > When I installed a second NIC, a 3com 3cSOHO100-TX, the default set up > connected to my client computer correctly. But???now neither client nor > server can connect to Internet. Eth1 is set to DHCP and eth0 is set > statically to 192.168.0.254. This sounds like the default gateway is incorrect. You should be using only the one picked up from DHCP. Use the 'route' command to see what you have. If you have configured a default gateway in the eth1 configuration, remove it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From kempton at maine.rr.com Sun Nov 6 19:28:43 2005 From: kempton at maine.rr.com (Dick Kempton) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:28:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new install help needed In-Reply-To: <1131295189.3419.89.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: Thank you for your reply. It seems that by not automatically setting the DNS, all is well. Thanks again. This was a small but bugging problem. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Terrell Prud?, Jr. Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 11:40 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] new install help needed On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 11:25 -0500, Dick Kempton wrote: I recently installed version 4.4.1 on my computer that only had one NIC. All worked fine and I was able to connect to my Road Runner connection thru a cable modem. When I installed a second NIC, a 3com 3cSOHO100-TX, the default set up connected to my client computer correctly. But?now neither client nor server can connect to Internet. Eth1 is set to DHCP and eth0 is set statically to 192.168.0.254. I even did a fresh install with both cards installed and used all of the defaults. I still have no Internet access. How can I get eth1 to connect as it did previously before the second card was installed??? Thanks for any help. DK Shoot us a copy of your "/sbin/ifconfig" and "netstat -rn" outputs. I suspect a routing issue. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Mon Nov 7 00:09:52 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 18:09:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Who made the K12LTSP flyer on the wiki? Message-ID: <436E9B50.40307@maltzen.net> With regard to the K12LTSP flyer that's on the wiki at http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Presentations, does anyone remember who created it? More to the point, does anyone have it in a editable form, that is, non-PDF format? Petre From sbarar at gmail.com Sun Nov 6 23:16:26 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 04:46:26 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Who made the K12LTSP flyer on the wiki? In-Reply-To: <436E9B50.40307@maltzen.net> References: <436E9B50.40307@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <774593a20511061516l5b32e007ncac506c60e24a64b@mail.gmail.com> On 11/7/05, Petre Scheie wrote: > With regard to the K12LTSP flyer that's on the wiki at > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Presentations, does anyone > remember who created it? More to the point, does anyone have it in a > editable form, that is, non-PDF format? Petre try at command line pdftotxt and you have editable txt file. Also lookup other pdf command line utilities by typing in pdf and pushing tab key couple of times. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From robark at gmail.com Mon Nov 7 00:06:57 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 16:06:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Try this utility to test your thin client network In-Reply-To: <1131295090.3419.87.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <1131295090.3419.87.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On 11/6/05, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > > > On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 16:32 -0800, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > the packet size (the -s parameter), I get a good test. I'll typically do > 100, 500, and 1490; this last one, with Ethernet frame padding, gives the > standard MTU of 1518 bytes. The reason for this is that I've found some > poorly-made gear that chokes at an Ethernet frame size beyond 1500 bytes, ... > > Also, I'll typically run 1,000 packets per ping session. I do that because > of a problem similar to one that I had to track down and fix this last week. > At times, 100-200 pings would get through, but it'd choke for maybe half a > second to five seconds after that. Interesting, I'll try your suggestions. > > One other thing about both the -A and the -i parameters: my reading tells > me that, if you're not root, the minimum interval you'll be able to get is > one packet every 200ms, is that your experience as well? Yes, exactly. I also set the -p (pattern) setting to hex 'aa' because in binary it's 10101010 and supposedly this type of pattern stresses components more. Although the -p setting states that you can add 16 of these pad bytes so maybe it will accept 14 more hex numbers. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From natarajsn at sancharnet.in Mon Nov 7 09:39:21 2005 From: natarajsn at sancharnet.in (Nataraj S Narayan) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 09:39:21 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Fatal Server Error: Cannot open Xorg.0.0.log / But No problem with Cygwin In-Reply-To: <20051021160045.B396D73771@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051021160045.B396D73771@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <436F20C9.1010702@sancharnet.in> Hi My LTSP systems won't boot one day. They are showing the following. I have not made any changes to the Server. My server is on Redhat 9. Wheras my CYGWIN X server which connects to the same LTSP server works fine. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Building /tmp/XF86Config-4 file Fatal Server Error: Cannot open log file /var/log/Xorg.0.0.1... Pleas consult X.org Foundation at http://wiki.X.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Getting same when i use Screen_01=shell and give /tmp/start_ws Plz help regards Nataraj From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Nov 7 06:24:50 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 01:24:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new install help needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1131344690.3419.126.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Glad to hear it's working. You can in fact set your DNS manually, but if DHCP can do it for you, yep, it's easier. However, as I suspected, there is a potential routing issue here. Both of your interfaces are in the 192.168.0.0/24 subnet. That's bad news, because you may find in the future that your server doesn't know which packets to route out which interface. It is possible that your server could send out half the X11 packets out eth0 and the other half out eth1! The last time I made this particular mistake, which was with K12LTSP 4.2.1 (FC3-based) and a very late night so that I was tired (that's my story and I'm stickin' to it), my clients could connect to my server just fine, but my server couldn't get out. Why? My main LAN also happens to use 192.168.0.0/24, and eth1 was configured for DHCP (the default K12LTSP setting). The server thought that the default gateway for my network, 192.168.0.1, was reachable from eth0 and thus sent packets out eth0 to the Internet! Oops.... Did I mention that I was really, REALLY tired that night? :-) Note that many home routers are pre-configured for 192.168.0.0/24. The problem is that the K12LTSP default on eth0 is also 192.168.0.0/24. Thus, you have *two* possible paths to the default gateway--eth0 *and* eth1. Now the server's gotta pick which one. Basically, you got lucky, because, as your netstat -rn output shows, your server happened to choose eth1, but don't expect to be able to hook up a thick client to your eth0 segment and have things work. What should be done during a dual-NIC LTSP server of any sort (including K12LTSP) is to choose an IP subnet for the clients that is different from the main LAN. The server that I use for demos at schools currently uses 172.31.0.0/24, since nobody seems to choose that range (fingers crossed!). BTW, despite the existence of OpenOffice.org, it's probably a good idea to submit attachments in something other than the proprietary MS Word doc format (e. g. RTF or even plain text). This is, after all, a Free Software mailing list. :-) --TP --Microsoft Free Since 2003 On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 14:28 -0500, Dick Kempton wrote: > Thank you for your reply. It seems that by not automatically setting > the DNS, all is well. Thanks again. This was a small but bugging > problem. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Terrell Prud?, Jr. > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 11:40 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] new install help needed > > > > On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 11:25 -0500, Dick Kempton wrote: > > > > I recently installed version 4.4.1 on my computer that only had one > NIC. All worked fine and I was able to connect to my Road Runner > connection thru a cable modem. > > > > When I installed a second NIC, a 3com 3cSOHO100-TX, the default set up > connected to my client computer correctly. But?now neither client nor > server can connect to Internet. Eth1 is set to DHCP and eth0 is set > statically to 192.168.0.254. > > > > I even did a fresh install with both cards installed and used all of > the defaults. I still have no Internet access. How can I get eth1 to > connect as it did previously before the second card was installed??? > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > DK > > > Shoot us a copy of your "/sbin/ifconfig" and "netstat -rn" outputs. I > suspect a routing issue. > > --TP > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dan_hopson at hotmail.com Mon Nov 7 14:35:51 2005 From: dan_hopson at hotmail.com (Dan Hopson) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 09:35:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] server specs for K12LTSP Message-ID: I am needing minimum and medium range server specs to run K12LTSP to a 24-station lab here at the school. I would like to stay with Opteron CPUs. Thanks Dan Hopson (Mitchell HS, NC) From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Mon Nov 7 16:30:15 2005 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 08:30:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] server specs for K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1131381016.9432.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 09:35 -0500, Dan Hopson wrote: > I am needing minimum and medium range server specs to run K12LTSP to a > 24-station lab here at the school. I would like to stay with Opteron CPUs. > Thanks I recently built the following machines for about $2500: -Single Opto 265 Processor -4GB RAM -Dual SATA drives -Dual GB NIC And they are each serving 25-50 clients quite comfortably. I do have the home directories off-loaded to another machine (accessed via NFS on the second GB interface) though, so you may want to go up to 10K RPM SATA drives or SCSI if budget allows. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, OR From petre at maltzen.net Mon Nov 7 16:47:46 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 10:47:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] server specs for K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1131381016.9432.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1131381016.9432.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <436F8532.3010005@maltzen.net> Quentin Hartman wrote: > On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 09:35 -0500, Dan Hopson wrote: > >>I am needing minimum and medium range server specs to run K12LTSP to a >>24-station lab here at the school. I would like to stay with Opteron CPUs. >>Thanks > > > I recently built the following machines for about $2500: > > -Single Opto 265 Processor > -4GB RAM > -Dual SATA drives > -Dual GB NIC > > And they are each serving 25-50 clients quite comfortably. I do have the > home directories off-loaded to another machine (accessed via NFS on the > second GB interface) though, so you may want to go up to 10K RPM SATA > drives or SCSI if budget allows. > This brings up an interesting question (well, I think it's interesting): At what point does it become justifiably beneficial to use a dual processor system? Quentin, when you say 'serving 25-50 clients quite comfortably' do you mean it can handle 50 clients all logged in and working? In Unix, memory has (almost) always mattered more than processor power, and with 4GB I can believe you could handle 50 simultaneous clients. Is there enough of a performance gain to actually justify dual processors? Petre From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Nov 7 18:02:19 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 10:02:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] server specs for K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <436F96AB.6070103@paasda.org> Dan Hopson wrote: > I am needing minimum and medium range server specs to run K12LTSP to a > 24-station lab here at the school. I would like to stay with Opteron > CPUs. Thanks > > Dan Hopson (Mitchell HS, NC) > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > As this question inevitably comes up each time a new member joins the K12LTSP family, would the maintainer of the k12ltsp.org website be able to dedicate a page to show a sort of 5-10 simultaneous clients, 10-20, 20-40, 40-60...and then maybe when it becomes a noticeable performance boost to have either an application server or a poor-mans load balancing with 2 full-on servers? --Huck From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Mon Nov 7 18:11:29 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:11:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] server specs for K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <436F96AB.6070103@paasda.org> References: <436F96AB.6070103@paasda.org> Message-ID: Hello, > As this question inevitably comes up each time a new member joins the > K12LTSP family, would the maintainer of the k12ltsp.org website be able > to dedicate a page to show a sort of 5-10 simultaneous clients, 10-20, > 20-40, 40-60...and then maybe when it becomes a noticeable performance > boost to have either an application server or a poor-mans load balancing > with 2 full-on servers? > > --Huck I know there is a page on ltsp.org that allows you to calculate different server sizings on it. The url is: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing but it doesn't seem to be working for me now. Joseph From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Mon Nov 7 18:13:49 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:13:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] server specs for K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <436F96AB.6070103@paasda.org> Message-ID: <200511071852.jA7Iq1QR015487@mx1.redhat.com> Huck, He does(kinda): http://www.k12ltsp.org/install.html#hardware Paul VanGundy Technology Coordinator Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Huck Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:02 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] server specs for K12LTSP Dan Hopson wrote: > I am needing minimum and medium range server specs to run K12LTSP to a > 24-station lab here at the school. I would like to stay with Opteron > CPUs. Thanks > > Dan Hopson (Mitchell HS, NC) > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > As this question inevitably comes up each time a new member joins the K12LTSP family, would the maintainer of the k12ltsp.org website be able to dedicate a page to show a sort of 5-10 simultaneous clients, 10-20, 20-40, 40-60...and then maybe when it becomes a noticeable performance boost to have either an application server or a poor-mans load balancing with 2 full-on servers? --Huck _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dan_hopson at hotmail.com Mon Nov 7 19:07:26 2005 From: dan_hopson at hotmail.com (Dan Hopson) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:07:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP specs and gaming question Message-ID: Hi all...special thanks to Quentin and Huck for their help...I have another question...is it possible to network Unreal Tournament on K12LTSP? I know students do enough gaming at home, but I would like to reward my networking class for one day. thanks. Dan. From dan_hopson at hotmail.com Mon Nov 7 19:12:52 2005 From: dan_hopson at hotmail.com (Dan Hopson) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:12:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] server specs for K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1131381016.9432.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: thanks for your help quentin...could you specify what mb you purchased and what size drives you are using...also are you using RAID and if so which level RAID? thanks again, dan. >From: Quentin Hartman >Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] server specs for K12LTSP >Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 08:30:15 -0800 > >On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 09:35 -0500, Dan Hopson wrote: > > I am needing minimum and medium range server specs to run K12LTSP to a > > 24-station lab here at the school. I would like to stay with Opteron >CPUs. > > Thanks > >I recently built the following machines for about $2500: > >-Single Opto 265 Processor >-4GB RAM >-Dual SATA drives >-Dual GB NIC > >And they are each serving 25-50 clients quite comfortably. I do have the >home directories off-loaded to another machine (accessed via NFS on the >second GB interface) though, so you may want to go up to 10K RPM SATA >drives or SCSI if budget allows. > >-- >-Regards- > >-Quentin Hartman- >Technology Coordinator >South Lane School District >Cottage Grove, OR > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From nsantiago at caclv.org Mon Nov 7 19:43:29 2005 From: nsantiago at caclv.org (Santiago, Nicholas) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:43:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Scalix anyone? Message-ID: Hi all-- I've been looking at Scalix Server lately as an alternative to upgrading our existing Exchange server. As I'm not uber-familiar with Linux servers, I'm just wondering if anyone is running Scalix right now and whether it'd be worth the time and/or effort to get it running here. Anyone? -Nick nicholas|santiago telecommunications analyst community action committee of the lehigh valley, inc. 1337 east fifth street :: bethlehem, pa 18015-2103 tel 484.893.1044 :: pcs 484.634.0286 :: fax 610.691.6582 nsantiago at caclv.org :: www.caclv.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Mon Nov 7 20:04:15 2005 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:04:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Scalix anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200511071504.15704.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Monday November 07 2005 2:43 pm, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > Hi all-- > > I've been looking at Scalix Server lately as an alternative to upgrading > our existing Exchange server. As I'm not uber-familiar with Linux servers, > I'm just wondering if anyone is running Scalix right now and whether it'd > be worth the time and/or effort to get it running here. > > Anyone? > > -Nick > > nicholas|santiago > telecommunications analyst > community action committee of the lehigh valley, inc. > 1337 east fifth street :: bethlehem, pa 18015-2103 > tel 484.893.1044 :: pcs 484.634.0286 :: fax 610.691.6582 > nsantiago at caclv.org :: > www.caclv.org Nick, Since OpenSolaris, and by extension Scallix, are so new, I'd play with Scallix, but not put it into production just yet. My 2 cents. Dimitri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From andy at spitcomp.com Mon Nov 7 20:11:08 2005 From: andy at spitcomp.com (Andrew Fisk) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:11:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Scalix anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The linux part of the install is easy -- make sure you are running a supported distribution and follow the installation guide. Migrating from Exchange is a little more complex, but as long as you are familiar with Exchange it's not too tough. I thought the public folder migration was a little weak (i.e. copy everything local and then copy back to the Scalix server.) Just one other thought did you take a look at SME (www.contribs.org) -- depending on which features of Exchange you use -- it maybe most of what you need! Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Nov 7, 2005, at 2:43 PM, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > Hi all-- > > I've been looking at Scalix Server lately as an alternative to > upgrading our existing Exchange server. As I'm not uber-familiar > with Linux servers, I'm just wondering if anyone is running Scalix > right now and whether it'd be worth the time and/or effort to get > it running here. > > Anyone? > > -Nick > > nicholas|santiago > telecommunications analyst > community action committee of the lehigh valley, inc. > 1337 east fifth street :: bethlehem, pa 18015-2103 > tel 484.893.1044 :: pcs 484.634.0286 :: fax 610.691.6582 > nsantiago at caclv.org :: www.caclv.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Mon Nov 7 20:32:35 2005 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:32:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Scalix anyone? In-Reply-To: <200511071504.15704.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <200511071504.15704.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <200511071532.35238.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Monday November 07 2005 3:04 pm, Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > On Monday November 07 2005 2:43 pm, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > > Hi all-- > > > > I've been looking at Scalix Server lately as an alternative to upgrading > > our existing Exchange server. As I'm not uber-familiar with Linux > > servers, I'm just wondering if anyone is running Scalix right now and > > whether it'd be worth the time and/or effort to get it running here. > > > > Anyone? > > > > -Nick > > > > nicholas|santiago > > telecommunications analyst > > community action committee of the lehigh valley, inc. > > 1337 east fifth street :: bethlehem, pa 18015-2103 > > tel 484.893.1044 :: pcs 484.634.0286 :: fax 610.691.6582 > > nsantiago at caclv.org :: > > www.caclv.org > > Nick, > > Since OpenSolaris, and by extension Scallix, are so new, I'd play with > Scallix, but not put it into production just yet. > > My 2 cents. > > Dimitri Sorry, thinking of Schillix (who can keep track?). -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 00:47:36 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 06:17:36 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] List of edu applications on K12LTSP Message-ID: <774593a20511071647q5f036869pa4782a97141db702@mail.gmail.com> Any link for this list? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 01:32:08 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 07:02:08 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Fatal Server Error: Cannot open Xorg.0.0.log / But No problem with Cygwin In-Reply-To: <436F20C9.1010702@sancharnet.in> References: <20051021160045.B396D73771@hormel.redhat.com> <436F20C9.1010702@sancharnet.in> Message-ID: <774593a20511071732u615ebcb3gf7116965d4182560@mail.gmail.com> On 11/7/05, Nataraj S Narayan wrote: > My LTSP systems won't boot one day. They are showing the following. I > have not made any changes to the Server. My server is on Redhat 9. > > Wheras my CYGWIN X server which connects to the same LTSP server works fine. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Building /tmp/XF86Config-4 file > > Fatal Server Error: > > Cannot open log file /var/log/Xorg.0.0.1... > > Pleas consult X.org Foundation at http://wiki.X.org > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Natraj, Need more details on client hardware. Which version of LTSP? What is the Xserver driver for this client? My suggestion is drop to one lower sreen size than what you were running and also try with Xserver=vesa setting. e.g if you were 1024x768 try 800x640. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 8 11:03:18 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 03:03:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd.conf trouble In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051108110318.340.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Julius, Just curious, where in NJ are you? -Rob --- Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > material on VLANs and I am > in NJ, the Mitel switch is in TX and I can't get __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From gumprechtm at msad3.org Tue Nov 8 12:52:29 2005 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 07:52:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap logs Message-ID: <43709F8D.3000309@msad3.org> Where is the log that smbldap uses for logging users time in and time log off and from what machine? I've tried who,w,finger, I've checked the regular log files, messages,secure. I looked through the config files for the logfile setting, I looked in the samba logs. I'm sure I missed it somewhere. It is a k12ltsp4.2.1EL machine. TIA Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Nov 8 13:54:56 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 13:54:56 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap logs In-Reply-To: <43709F8D.3000309@msad3.org> References: <43709F8D.3000309@msad3.org> Message-ID: <4370AE30.9080604@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Where is the log that smbldap uses for logging users time in and time > log off and from what machine? > I've tried who,w,finger, I've checked the regular log files, > messages,secure. I looked through the config files for the logfile > setting, I looked in the samba logs. I'm sure I missed it somewhere. It > is a k12ltsp4.2.1EL machine. > TIA > Mark > I don't think it does by default. I've added this to my smb.conf so I have this info [homes] comment = Home Directories root preexec = csh -c 'echo "`date`: %u connected from %m (%I)" >> /var/log/samba/login.log' root postexec = csh -c 'echo "`date`: %u disconnected from %m (%I)" >> /var/log/samba/login.log' I've setup logrotate so the file doesn't get too big. A friend has also written a little php file that reads the file so you can easily see who's logged in. Only problem is that we have so much traffic that it would never finish so I've just setup a cron job that copies the login.log file every 5 minutes and pointed the php file at that. Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From gumprechtm at msad3.org Tue Nov 8 15:22:09 2005 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 10:22:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap logs In-Reply-To: <4370AE30.9080604@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <43709F8D.3000309@msad3.org> <4370AE30.9080604@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4370C2A1.6030800@msad3.org> The configurability (real word?) of Linux never ceases to amaze me. Thanks Brian Mark Brian Chivers wrote: > Mark Gumprecht wrote: > >> Where is the log that smbldap uses for logging users time in and time >> log off and from what machine? >> I've tried who,w,finger, I've checked the regular log files, >> messages,secure. I looked through the config files for the logfile >> setting, I looked in the samba logs. I'm sure I missed it somewhere. >> It is a k12ltsp4.2.1EL machine. >> TIA >> Mark >> > I don't think it does by default. I've added this to my smb.conf so I > have this info > > [homes] > comment = Home Directories > root preexec = csh -c 'echo "`date`: %u connected from %m (%I)" >> > /var/log/samba/login.log' > root postexec = csh -c 'echo "`date`: %u disconnected from %m > (%I)" >> /var/log/samba/login.log' > > I've setup logrotate so the file doesn't get too big. A friend has > also written a little php file that reads the file so you can easily > see who's logged in. Only problem is that we have so much traffic that > it would never finish so I've just setup a cron job that copies the > login.log file every 5 minutes and pointed the php file at that. > > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From veewee77 at alltel.net Tue Nov 8 16:04:53 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 10:04:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap logs In-Reply-To: <43709F8D.3000309@msad3.org> References: <43709F8D.3000309@msad3.org> Message-ID: <4370CCA5.5080506@alltel.net> I don't think it actually keeps that info in a log. I made my own login and logout log files on a per share basis. they couldeasily be combined to log all logins and logouts on every share in a single file. Doug Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Where is the log that smbldap uses for logging users time in and time > log off and from what machine? > I've tried who,w,finger, I've checked the regular log files, > messages,secure. I looked through the config files for the logfile > setting, I looked in the samba logs. I'm sure I missed it somewhere. > It is a k12ltsp4.2.1EL machine. > TIA > Mark > From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Nov 8 16:16:11 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 08:16:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap logs In-Reply-To: <43709F8D.3000309@msad3.org> References: <43709F8D.3000309@msad3.org> Message-ID: <4370CF4B.3050408@mesd.k12.or.us> Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Where is the log that smbldap uses for logging users time in and time > log off and from what machine? > I've tried who,w,finger, I've checked the regular log files, > messages,secure. I looked through the config files for the logfile > setting, I looked in the samba logs. I'm sure I missed it somewhere. It > is a k12ltsp4.2.1EL machine. In /etc/samba/smb.conf set this in the [global] section: utmp = yes then "last" in the shell. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From maillist at roomity.com Tue Nov 8 16:37:37 2005 From: maillist at roomity.com (shenanigans) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:37:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] [OTAnn] Feedback Message-ID: <15918829.1811131467857252.JavaMail.tomcat5@slave1.roomity.com> I was interested in getting feedback from current mail group users. We have mirrored your mail list in a new application that provides a more aggregated and safe environment which utilizes the power of broadband. Roomity.com v 1.5 is a web 2.01 community webapp. Our newest version adds broadcast video and social networking such as favorite authors and an html editor. It?s free to join and any feedback would be appreciated. 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URL: From trond at mahlum.biz Tue Nov 8 16:36:23 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:36:23 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] restart X at logout from terminal In-Reply-To: <4370CF4B.3050408@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43709F8D.3000309@msad3.org> <4370CF4B.3050408@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4370D407.1040405@mahlum.biz> Is it possible to completely reset X on a terminal at logout, so the contents of lts.conf is read again? In other words I would like to achieve the same thing as logging out, pressing ctrl-alt-backspace and get a new login window. I have noticed that this forces lts.conf to be read again. Just logging out to a new login screen reuses the settings from lts.conf from boot. I would suspect that many of you would ask, why would I want to... But to make a long stort short, I have a script that rotates the contents of lts.conf, so the string "SERVER= " alternates. I have set up a kind of load balancing using this. It seems to work. I have to do some more testing of course. I cannot use the how-to from David since I have only one dhcp-server serving 5 schools from one central location. My schools have only terminals and printers. All the servers are located at City-Hall's ICT-department. We have 2GB fibrechannel out to each school. So my setup is this: One main server w/ dhcp and ldap. It also as all /home exported as nfs, and is the cupsserver for all schools. The dhcp server points each school to it's own ltspserver via the root-path option. When the terminal has finished booting it reads lts.conf on that server, and I would like to alternate which server the terminals logon to. I have this working now, but I have to log out, hit ctr-alt-backspace and log in again. Then I get logged into another server. I don't really see the students hitting ctrl-alt-backspace between sessions, and then the point gets lost... So is it possible to kill/restart X on the terminal at logout? Or is it possible to make a logout reboot the terminal perhaps? If this seemed a bit "hairy", I can document/explain our setup better if asked to to so... But for now, I would be really happy to see X killed and reloaded at logout. Anyone? Regards Trond Maehlum From moquist at majen.net Tue Nov 8 17:23:16 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 12:23:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: smbldap logs (Dan Young) In-Reply-To: <20051108170038.F2C2F73673@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051108170038.F2C2F73673@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20051108172316.GC9169@majen.net> > From: Dan Young > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] smbldap logs > Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > Where is the log that smbldap uses for logging users time in and time > > log off and from what machine? > > I've tried who,w,finger, I've checked the regular log files, > > messages,secure. I looked through the config files for the logfile > > setting, I looked in the samba logs. I'm sure I missed it somewhere. It > > is a k12ltsp4.2.1EL machine. > > In /etc/samba/smb.conf set this in the [global] section: > > utmp = yes > > then "last" in the shell. I can change the smb.conf installed by the Samba/LDAP Installer so that future versions will write to utmp, but the smb.conf man page says "This may impede performance on large installations." I don't have a large installation on which I've tried this, so can anyone who has a large installation comment on any performance issues? If not, I will include "utmp = yes" in future versions. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From staffords at glenburn.net Tue Nov 8 22:19:52 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:19:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] gnome printer manager in 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <4370CF4B.3050408@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43709F8D.3000309@msad3.org> <4370CF4B.3050408@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: OK, I give. Is Gnome print manager in LTSP 4.2.1 thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From veewee77 at alltel.net Tue Nov 8 23:04:10 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:04:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] gnome printer manager in 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: References: <43709F8D.3000309@msad3.org> <4370CF4B.3050408@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43712EEA.9070501@alltel.net> Hear! hear! I can't find it either. . . and I need it! Doug Shane Stafford wrote: >OK, I give. Is Gnome print manager in LTSP 4.2.1 > >thanks >Shane > >Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT >Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town >Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer >S & B Consulting > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Nov 9 00:08:24 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 00:08:24 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] W2K authentication and home folders Message-ID: <200511090214.jA92EPZ15250@downeast.net> i have some winbind config items on wiki.ltsp.org... AWe used pam_mount to mount homedirs from windows as well...look for windows integration on the wiki..holler if i can help chuck > We are in the process of trialing K12LTSP. We have completed an install > using the CD imagest available on K12LTSP.org and it runs like a dream. > What we are having trouble with is configuring the system so the users > logging on from a LTSP client get their authentication from our W2K > server. We also want to be able to have our students home folders on the > W2K server. Working through various information we have been able to get > to the stage of viewing folders on the W2K server but would appreciate it > if anyone has a complete HOW TO that explains what is actually happening. > > Thankif i can help...chuckholler s, Rene Smit > > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dan_hopson at hotmail.com Wed Nov 9 15:33:23 2005 From: dan_hopson at hotmail.com (Dan Hopson) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:33:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] website blocking Message-ID: Hello everyone. My school's website blocking software fails to limit my K12LTSP stations...I can go anywhere, unfortunately. Can I configure my K12LTSP server to block particular websites or is their add on software that anyone out there is using for Linux? Help! Dan. From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Wed Nov 9 15:44:30 2005 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:44:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] website blocking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200511091044.31085.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Wednesday November 09 2005 10:33 am, Dan Hopson wrote: > Hello everyone. My school's website blocking software fails to limit my > K12LTSP stations...I can go anywhere, unfortunately. Can I configure my > K12LTSP server to block particular websites or is their add on software > that anyone out there is using for Linux? Help! > > Dan. > DansGuardian (no relation to you :-) ). -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Wed Nov 9 16:08:54 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:08:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] website blocking In-Reply-To: <200511091044.31085.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <200511091044.31085.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <43721F16.8020307@maltzen.net> Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > On Wednesday November 09 2005 10:33 am, Dan Hopson wrote: > >>Hello everyone. My school's website blocking software fails to limit my >>K12LTSP stations...I can go anywhere, unfortunately. Can I configure my >>K12LTSP server to block particular websites or is their add on software >>that anyone out there is using for Linux? Help! >> >>Dan. >> > > > DansGuardian (no relation to you :-) ). > There's also squidguard: http://www.squidguard.org/ From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Nov 9 16:15:51 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:15:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] website blocking In-Reply-To: <200511091044.31085.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <200511091044.31085.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <437220B7.3070103@paasda.org> cute pun ;) DansGuardian which requires Squid I believe. I have it set up on my router/firewall machine on the same subnet as eth1 on the k12ltsp server, rather than on my k12ltsp server itself. --Huck Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > On Wednesday November 09 2005 10:33 am, Dan Hopson wrote: > >>Hello everyone. My school's website blocking software fails to limit my >>K12LTSP stations...I can go anywhere, unfortunately. Can I configure my >>K12LTSP server to block particular websites or is their add on software >>that anyone out there is using for Linux? Help! >> >>Dan. >> > > > DansGuardian (no relation to you :-) ). > From petre at maltzen.net Wed Nov 9 16:19:38 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:19:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] website blocking In-Reply-To: <437220B7.3070103@paasda.org> References: <200511091044.31085.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <437220B7.3070103@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4372219A.8020903@maltzen.net> That's come up before: For DansGuardian or SquidGuard to work, they must be installed on a machine separate from the terminal server; it won't work if you install it on the terminal server. Huck wrote: > cute pun ;) > > DansGuardian which requires Squid I believe. > I have it set up on my router/firewall machine on the same subnet as > eth1 on the k12ltsp server, rather than on my k12ltsp server itself. > > --Huck > > Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > >> On Wednesday November 09 2005 10:33 am, Dan Hopson wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone. My school's website blocking software fails to limit my >>> K12LTSP stations...I can go anywhere, unfortunately. Can I configure my >>> K12LTSP server to block particular websites or is their add on software >>> that anyone out there is using for Linux? Help! >>> >>> Dan. >>> >> >> >> DansGuardian (no relation to you :-) ). >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Nov 9 16:25:06 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:25:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora LTSP or Ubuntu LTSP, that is the question Message-ID: <20051109162229.M36282@winonacotter.org> I will be building a new LTSP server this week for about 30 clients in a High School lab. I don't know if I should go the Ubuntu route or the Fedora route. One thing I would really like is hot swap USB jumpdrive support at the clients. Does anyone know if this is ready for either version? Any advice would be great. I have not yet had the opportunity to try the Ubuntu version. Does the Ubuntu version have the same list of K12 apps? Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 16:58:48 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:58:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] website blocking In-Reply-To: <4372219A.8020903@maltzen.net> References: <200511091044.31085.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <437220B7.3070103@paasda.org> <4372219A.8020903@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Hello, On 11/9/05, Petre Scheie wrote: > That's come up before: For DansGuardian or SquidGuard to work, they must be installed on > a machine separate from the terminal server; it won't work if you install it on the > terminal server. Is that for sure? On the previous version of ltsp (the one released last year) I had it running on the terminal server no problem. You just have to make sure that each account's proxy is set to the correct port. Joseph From william at fragakis.com Wed Nov 9 16:59:58 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:59:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] remote access suggestions Message-ID: <9eec4d21ba022ed7d2aa03fc2184d148@fragakis.com> We'd like to enable students to access k12ltsp and their files remotely. Obviously, there are a number of ways to do this but I'd like to solicit opinions from those that know more than I do (which means just about everyone). Initially we were exploring parallel needs which suggested openvpn to access files while at home and freenx to run k12ltsp from home then with further thinking, it appeared that the separate needs probably could merge into a single solution. What are the virtues, vices of using vnc via vpn vs. freenx (would this require vpn? sorry to ask a newbie question). If we do remote vnc, is there a way to limit the number of connections and is there a way to time out current connections? Regards, William Fragakis Morris Brandon Elementary, Atlanta, GA, USA (yes, we are frappr'ed) From petre at maltzen.net Wed Nov 9 17:09:24 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:09:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] website blocking In-Reply-To: References: <200511091044.31085.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <437220B7.3070103@paasda.org> <4372219A.8020903@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43722D44.2010503@maltzen.net> Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello, > > On 11/9/05, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>That's come up before: For DansGuardian or SquidGuard to work, they must be installed on >>a machine separate from the terminal server; it won't work if you install it on the >>terminal server. > > > Is that for sure? On the previous version of ltsp (the one released > last year) I had it running on the terminal server no problem. You > just have to make sure that each account's proxy is set to the correct > port. > > Joseph I think that was the issue: people wanted to be able to prevent students from bypassing the filtered proxy. If it's set in each user's account, the user could just go in and turn off the proxy setting and hit any site. Using a separate box as the gateway & proxy made it impossible to sneak around the filter (and eliminated the need to configure every user's setup). From casey.woods at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 17:18:59 2005 From: casey.woods at gmail.com (Casey Woods) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:18:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] website blocking In-Reply-To: <43722D44.2010503@maltzen.net> References: <200511091044.31085.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <437220B7.3070103@paasda.org> <4372219A.8020903@maltzen.net> <43722D44.2010503@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43722F83.2040401@gmail.com> I built a Squid / Dansguardian content filter in about 10 minutes using Ubuntu 5.10. Apt-get is a wonderful thing. Config files were very straightforward and the documentation is pretty good. I'm running it on any ancient P2 with 128 MB of ram and it runs fine. I just created a rule on the firewall which prohibits outbound traffic on port 80 and 443 from the terminal server to the internet. But, there is also a rule which allows those ports from the squid/dansguardian box. That way, students HAVE to use the proxy. They can't mess around or else they can't access the internet at all. Petre Scheie wrote: > > > Joseph Bishay wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> On 11/9/05, Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>> That's come up before: For DansGuardian or SquidGuard to work, they >>> must be installed on >>> a machine separate from the terminal server; it won't work if you >>> install it on the >>> terminal server. >> >> >> >> Is that for sure? On the previous version of ltsp (the one released >> last year) I had it running on the terminal server no problem. You >> just have to make sure that each account's proxy is set to the correct >> port. >> >> Joseph > > > I think that was the issue: people wanted to be able to prevent > students from bypassing the filtered proxy. If it's set in each > user's account, the user could just go in and turn off the proxy > setting and hit any site. Using a separate box as the gateway & proxy > made it impossible to sneak around the filter (and eliminated the need > to configure every user's setup). > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Nov 9 17:21:49 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:21:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] website blocking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dnsmasq works great for me! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Dan Hopson wrote: > Hello everyone. My school's website blocking software fails to limit my > K12LTSP stations...I can go anywhere, unfortunately. Can I configure my > K12LTSP server to block particular websites or is their add on software that > anyone out there is using for Linux? Help! > > Dan. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 17:21:49 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:21:49 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] remote access suggestions In-Reply-To: <9eec4d21ba022ed7d2aa03fc2184d148@fragakis.com> References: <9eec4d21ba022ed7d2aa03fc2184d148@fragakis.com> Message-ID: On 11/9/05, William Fragakis wrote: > > What are the virtues, vices of using vnc via vpn vs. freenx (would this > require vpn? Freenx can go over ssh so it's encrypted. It's FAST. The client can run on any platform. I have seen it used to provide remote LTSP. It is really usable. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From henryhartley at westat.com Wed Nov 9 17:38:59 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:38:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] website blocking Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109EA02@MAILBE2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Casey Woods >> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 12:19 PM >> >> I built a Squid / Dansguardian content filter in about 10 minutes >> using Ubuntu 5.10. Apt-get is a wonderful thing. >> >> Config files were very straightforward and the documentation is >> pretty good. >> >> I'm running it on any ancient P2 with 128 MB of ram and it runs >> fine. >> I used a PII with Smoothwall (http://www.smoothwall.org/) as a firewall and put DansGuardian on that. It took more than 10 minutes but was fairly painless. It's still working great a couple years later. There is a setting in Smoothwall, which is administered through an https web page, to set it as a tranparent proxy. With that setting, no proxy setting need be made on client machines. Couldn't be easier. -- Henry From henryhartley at westat.com Wed Nov 9 18:13:50 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:13:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] A Beowulf server for K12LTSP? Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109EA03@MAILBE2.westat.com> This is a bit of an odd question, perhaps, but the company I work for in my day job is surplussing a bunch of old Dell 566MHz Celeron computers (128MB RAM, 10MB drives). I know they'd make perfectly nice client machines but that's not usually the bottleneck. There are lots of machines of this class, or even PIIs) to be had, particularly in this area (Maryland suburbs of Washington DC). The thing that actually costs money is the server. So, a thought occurred to me when I saw three stacks of about 25 of these machines each. Could you build a Beowulf machine out of these old machines to act as server? I suppose you'd still want to invest in some hard drives and build a RAID array of some sort but would the combined memory and processors be able to take the place of a server? Would it take too many machines to be worthwhile? Like 50 machines to run a 25 client lab - not counting client machines? On the other hand, they are essentially free. Of course, there's always the power consumption to be considered. Or is this a stupid idea. -- Henry Hartley From lighthumor at hotmail.com Wed Nov 9 18:23:03 2005 From: lighthumor at hotmail.com (light being) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 13:23:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] speed optimize terminals? Message-ID: What can be done to speed optimize the terminals? I'm using k12ltsp 4.1 / FC3, in a small cybercafe in sao paulo, brazil, and it seems the terminals could be faster, am looking at making some changes here... Full-window-content window dragging I've noticed the default is to set them up with full-content window dragging, rather than dragging window outlines only. I'm looking for some way to turn it off. Kernel optimizing for terminals dmesg shows my terminals have USB, serial and parallel support, EIDE, energy saving features, etc, none of which I use. Isn't there a bare-bones terminal kernel to use? Some kernels already compiled somewhere, or some FAQ on how I can compile kernels that have only what's needed? RAM How much RAM does a terminal really need? How much does the NFS swapping cost? I had to enable it, 32MB RAM with no swap was making the terminals freeze. Ethernet adapter teaming/bonding It seems that teaming two ethernet adapters would be a good idea for those who are using 10MB or 100MB, and not upgrading the server+switch to gigabit ethernet, which is expensive still in many places. Anyone notice any problem with using ethernet adapter teaming/bonding? Thanks, any suggestions are very welcome! MIke Howard From petre at maltzen.net Wed Nov 9 18:50:29 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:50:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] A Beowulf server for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109EA03@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109EA03@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <437244F5.2030708@maltzen.net> The problem with clustering, in a K12LTSP context, is that not all apps will migrate well from one cluster node to another. But I think there is a simpler route: Have one machine act as server (you'll probably want to add a bit of RAM) and dedicate one machine to each application. Have all the app machines NFS mount /home, then just have icons that call 'ssh appserver app' for each application. You'd want to pare down the number of apps to just those needed, but it might work. It would at least be interesting to see the results. Petre Henry Hartley wrote: > This is a bit of an odd question, perhaps, but the company I work for in > my day job is surplussing a bunch of old Dell 566MHz Celeron computers > (128MB RAM, 10MB drives). I know they'd make perfectly nice client > machines but that's not usually the bottleneck. There are lots of > machines of this class, or even PIIs) to be had, particularly in this > area (Maryland suburbs of Washington DC). The thing that actually costs > money is the server. > > So, a thought occurred to me when I saw three stacks of about 25 of > these machines each. Could you build a Beowulf machine out of these old > machines to act as server? I suppose you'd still want to invest in some > hard drives and build a RAID array of some sort but would the combined > memory and processors be able to take the place of a server? Would it > take too many machines to be worthwhile? Like 50 machines to run a 25 > client lab - not counting client machines? On the other hand, they are > essentially free. Of course, there's always the power consumption to be > considered. > > Or is this a stupid idea. > From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 9 19:20:30 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 13:20:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] openfiler? Message-ID: <1131564030.4159.89.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Has anyone looked at this: http://www.openfiler.com/about/ recently for their home directory storage? It's a Centos based system that installs as a storage appliance with lots of features. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Nov 9 19:05:30 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:05:30 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora LTSP or Ubuntu LTSP, that is the question Message-ID: <200511092111.jA9LBQx09408@downeast.net> Jim: the ubuntu Muekow has err..issues....we have a new add-on ltsp-4.2 and kernel in testing with new cool features..but it will be a month or more before it is ready...chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Nov 9 20:01:16 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:01:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora LTSP or Ubuntu LTSP, that is the question In-Reply-To: <20051109162229.M36282@winonacotter.org> References: <20051109162229.M36282@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim....we just got back from Ubuntu Below Zero in Montreal....the current EdUbuntu with LTSP included is not ready for primetime....it was a last minute "shove in". BUT....it will be ready for "Dapper" which will be released in April. The "Breezy" version still has issues. There are MANY exciting things coming....local devices (very cool) and even cooler....simple clustering....easy to configure....then add machines with no HD's to simply add computing power...or add a clone. Ivan gave a presentation and it is in use at a hospital in Zagreb Croatia in grand style....I was truly impressed...and it should be easy for folks to do....very easy (GUI easy). So...my advice? Hold off for now...come to LinuxWorld in Boston...and we can play with the new Dapper Drake version. :-) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 at 11:25 AM +0000 wrote: >I will be building a new LTSP server this week for about 30 clients in a >High >School lab. I don't know if I should go the Ubuntu route or the Fedora >route. > One thing I would really like is hot swap USB jumpdrive support at the >clients. Does anyone know if this is ready for either version? > >Any advice would be great. I have not yet had the opportunity to try the >Ubuntu version. Does the Ubuntu version have the same list of K12 apps? > >Thanks > >Jim Kronebusch >Cotter Tech Department >507-453-5188 > > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by the Cotter Technology >Department, and is believed to be clean. > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Nov 9 20:06:09 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:06:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora LTSP or Ubuntu LTSP, that is the question In-Reply-To: References: <20051109162229.M36282@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20051109200415.M5256@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:01:16 -0500, David Trask wrote > Jim....we just got back from Ubuntu Below Zero in Montreal....the current > EdUbuntu with LTSP included is not ready for primetime....it was a last > minute "shove in". BUT....it will be ready for "Dapper" which will > be released in April. The "Breezy" version still has issues. There > are MANY exciting things coming....local devices (very cool) and > even cooler....simple clustering....easy to configure....then add > machines with no HD's to simply add computing power...or add a > clone. Ivan gave a presentation and it is in use at a hospital in > Zagreb Croatia in grand style....I was truly impressed...and it > should be easy for folks to do....very easy (GUI easy). So...my > advice? Hold off for now...come to LinuxWorld in Boston...and we > can play with the new Dapper Drake version. :-) I need to get a lab going so I think I will go ahead and load the FC4 version for now. The new EdUbuntu sounds awesome. I may just have to take you up on your offer for LW Boston! If you get a demo of the new Dapper before then let me know. Thanks for the update. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Nov 9 20:16:53 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:16:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Bell system Message-ID: <20051109200615.M74622@winonacotter.org> I saw the post last week about using linux for a school bell system. My main school uses 14 different bell schedules which has always been a nightmare. The bell system in place only handles 4 so on the other schedules there have been no bells and teachers/students just have to be mindful of the clock. Also the bell system needs to be set every day manually (this sucks). So this prompted some thought on my part. I now have a bell system from a linux box that I can program for months ahead of time and automatically switches my schedules daily. I can also do unlimited bell tones. For example the first tone of the day can announce the schedule for that day, or I can swap tones for holidays and such. This is awesome. If anyone would like examples of the scripts for this let me know. Basically I did a minimal install of FC4 on a desktop machine with a sound card. I hooked the sound card to the current receiver that played the old bell system. The set up a series of cron files for the root user, one for each bell schedule. Then I set up a series of scripts that will cycle out the current cron script for root with one for the current bell schedule. I program the cron cycle scripts ahead of time with webmins task scheduler. So under /var/spool/cron/ I have a series of files named root.schedulename. Each of these files have a listing of the times for every bell chime. Then under /root I have a series of files named with "schedulename". These files are executable scripts that simply move /var/spool/cron/root.schedulename to /var/spool/cron/root. Under /root I have bell.wav. I can swap bell.wav with any wav file for the bell sound. I call on bell.wav at the specific times with the command "play /root/bell.wav". This is cool. Thanks for the ideas everyone! I now have the next 2 months of bells scheduled, and I can fully control them from home if I need to with webmin! Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Nov 9 20:47:00 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:47:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora LTSP or Ubuntu LTSP, that is the question In-Reply-To: <200511092111.jA9LBQx09408@downeast.net> References: <200511092111.jA9LBQx09408@downeast.net> Message-ID: <20051109204647.M69183@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:05:30 GMT, cliebow wrote > Jim: the ubuntu Muekow has err..issues....we have a new add-on ltsp- > 4.2 and kernel in testing with new cool features..but it will be a > month or more before it is ready...chuck Thanks for the update Chuck. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Nov 9 21:12:08 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:12:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] website blocking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's a question, why isn't it blocking the K12LTSP stations? On Nov 9, 2005, at 9:33 AM, Dan Hopson wrote: > Hello everyone. My school's website blocking software fails to > limit my K12LTSP stations...I can go anywhere, unfortunately. Can > I configure my K12LTSP server to block particular websites or is > their add on software that anyone out there is using for Linux? Help! > > Dan. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 22:35:25 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:35:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] roots desktop hosed Message-ID: <9bd317560511091435u538dcacp68e22450ab39aa1d@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, I was working as root and now when I log in roots desktop is gone. Nothing happens when I try to launch nautilus from the commandline. We're using IceWM by the way. I tried the reset-default-desktop script to no avail. Any ideas? I know, I know....don't work as root. Thanks, Peter From tlegge at rogers.com Wed Nov 9 23:09:37 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:09:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] roots desktop hosed In-Reply-To: <9bd317560511091435u538dcacp68e22450ab39aa1d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560511091435u538dcacp68e22450ab39aa1d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <437281B1.7010906@rogers.com> Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey all, > I was working as root and now when I log in roots desktop is gone. > Nothing happens when I try to launch nautilus from the commandline. > We're using IceWM by the way. I tried the reset-default-desktop > script to no avail. Any ideas? I know, I know....don't work as root. Create a new user. chown -R root:root /home/newrootuser cp -r /home/newrootuser/* /root/ If that does not work: mkdir /home/oldroot chown -R root:root /home/oldroot mv /root/* /home/oldroot cp -r /home/newrootuser/* /root/ mv /home/oldroot /root chown -R root:root /root Tim From veewee77 at alltel.net Thu Nov 10 04:04:07 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:04:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Bell system In-Reply-To: <20051109200615.M74622@winonacotter.org> References: <20051109200615.M74622@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4372C6B7.8020004@alltel.net> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >I saw the post last week about using linux for a school bell system. My main >school uses 14 different bell schedules which has always been a nightmare. >The bell system in place only handles 4 so on the other schedules there have >been no bells and teachers/students just have to be mindful of the clock. >Also the bell system needs to be set every day manually (this sucks). > >So this prompted some thought on my part. I now have a bell system from a >linux box that I can program for months ahead of time and automatically >switches my schedules daily. I can also do unlimited bell tones. For example >the first tone of the day can announce the schedule for that day, or I can >swap tones for holidays and such. This is awesome. If anyone would like >examples of the scripts for this let me know. Basically I did a minimal >install of FC4 on a desktop machine with a sound card. I hooked the sound >card to the current receiver that played the old bell system. The set up a >series of cron files for the root user, one for each bell schedule. Then I >set up a series of scripts that will cycle out the current cron script for >root with one for the current bell schedule. I program the cron cycle scripts >ahead of time with webmins task scheduler. So under /var/spool/cron/ I have a >series of files named root.schedulename. Each of these files have a listing >of the times for every bell chime. Then under /root I have a series of files >named with "schedulename". These files are executable scripts that simply >move /var/spool/cron/root.schedulename to /var/spool/cron/root. Under /root I >have bell.wav. I can swap bell.wav with any wav file for the bell sound. I >call on bell.wav at the specific times with the command "play /root/bell.wav". > >This is cool. Thanks for the ideas everyone! > >I now have the next 2 months of bells scheduled, and I can fully control them >from home if I need to with webmin! > >Jim Kronebusch >Cotter Tech Department >507-453-5188 > > > > Sure, I would like the scripts. . . Thanks! From tim at litwiller.net Thu Nov 10 04:52:22 2005 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:52:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Bell system In-Reply-To: <20051109200615.M74622@winonacotter.org> References: <20051109200615.M74622@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4372D206.6000108@litwiller.net> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I saw the post last week about using linux for a school bell system. My main > school uses 14 different bell schedules which has always been a nightmare. > ... > > This is cool. Thanks for the ideas everyone! > > I now have the next 2 months of bells scheduled, and I can fully control them > from home if I need to with webmin! > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-518 I sure would like to see those scripts. From scott at hosef.org Thu Nov 10 07:06:03 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:06:03 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora LTSP or Ubuntu LTSP, that is the question In-Reply-To: <20051109200415.M5256@winonacotter.org> References: <20051109162229.M36282@winonacotter.org> <20051109200415.M5256@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4372F15B.4070709@hosef.org> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:01:16 -0500, David Trask wrote > >>Jim....we just got back from Ubuntu Below Zero in Montreal....the current >>EdUbuntu with LTSP included is not ready for primetime....it was a last >>minute "shove in". BUT....it will be ready for "Dapper" which will >>be released in April. The "Breezy" version still has issues. There >>are MANY exciting things coming....local devices (very cool) and >>even cooler....simple clustering....easy to configure....then add >>machines with no HD's to simply add computing power...or add a >>clone. Ivan gave a presentation and it is in use at a hospital in >>Zagreb Croatia in grand style....I was truly impressed...and it >>should be easy for folks to do....very easy (GUI easy). So...my >>advice? Hold off for now...come to LinuxWorld in Boston...and we >>can play with the new Dapper Drake version. :-) > > > I need to get a lab going so I think I will go ahead and load the FC4 version > for now. > > The new EdUbuntu sounds awesome. I may just have to take you up on your offer > for LW Boston! If you get a demo of the new Dapper before then let me know. > > Thanks for the update. > There are a number of goals for the next release http://wiki.edubuntu.org/DapperGoals As it stands, I will profess that edubuntu is an outstanding workstation install(1), but the server install makes one appreciate all the work behind the K12LTSP The install notes spell out a few hiccups http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes Known Issues -During install while the LTSP client environment is being set up, the progress reporting is a bit poor (expect this step to take about 10min). -bugzilla bug [WWW] #15244 will affect LTSP users. -The LTSP login manager is neither pretty, nor do the menus work. -Manual steps are required for LTSP setup (see Post Install section above for more details) -The current LTSP implementation neither supports sound nor local devices for the Thin Clients. The automagic configuration of NAT, Firewalling, and the LTSP in a dual nic environment is not yet there. This requires some venturing into this document http://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup If you think that you can install the amd64 version on an Opteron box and server i386 clients, you will learn that you must actually install and offer an i386 kernel to your clients. I have had my hiney kicked by the server setups. I went there because a venturous science teacher at one of our recent donations *really* wanted GRASS. The world of Debian is so rich for such a teacher, so we did it. It all just makes me say "Thanks Eric, Jim, and those who have done so much to make the K12LTSP a generally automagic experience." --scott (1) I do mean workstation install as this is an available boot option From kris23 at poczta.fm Thu Nov 10 10:47:44 2005 From: kris23 at poczta.fm (Futrzak) Date: 10 Nov 2005 11:47:44 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP VNC Server (on client) Message-ID: <20051110104744.10283EB31D@poczta.interia.pl> Hello! I've got running ltsp server (k12 of course) and I would like to monitor client workstations by VNC (or maybe you've got other suggestion?). The idea is to be sure if the client is running properly. Is it possoble to run VNC Server on thin client machine? Kind regards kris23 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- INTERIA.PL | Kliknij po wiecej >>> http://link.interia.pl/f18c1 From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 10 11:17:21 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 03:17:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora LTSP or Ubuntu LTSP, that is the question In-Reply-To: <20051109162229.M36282@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20051110111721.11265.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> At home I use Ubuntu Breezy with LTSP and for the most part it works fine. I have pretty basic needs, though. I did notice that sound on the terminals does not work with Childsplay and GCompris. XMMS plays fine on the terminals, though. -Rob --- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I will be building a new LTSP server this week for > about 30 clients in a High > School lab. I don't know if I should go the Ubuntu > route or the Fedora route. > One thing I would really like is hot swap USB > jumpdrive support at the > clients. Does anyone know if this is ready for > either version? > > Any advice would be great. I have not yet had the > opportunity to try the > Ubuntu version. Does the Ubuntu version have the > same list of K12 apps? > > Thanks > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 10 11:20:19 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 03:20:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] live cd....again Message-ID: <20051110112019.94993.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm trying out the Ubuntu Breezy Badger Live CD and I noticed that you can install software into the ramdisk using Synaptic. I'm currently running through the ltspadmin program and all seems to be going well. Unfortunately I won't be able to test boot any terminals, because I'm on somebody else's network and I won't be able to run dhcp. But I thought maybe somebody out there would be interested in trying it. -Rob __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 10 11:26:53 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 03:26:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] website blocking In-Reply-To: <4372219A.8020903@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20051110112654.53750.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Petre Scheie wrote: > That's come up before: For DansGuardian or > SquidGuard to work, they must be installed on > a machine separate from the terminal server; it > won't work if you install it on the > terminal server. You can actually get it to work on the terminal server with some fancy iptables work. Don't ask me how, but I did it once. Basically you configure iptables to intercept all requests bound for port 80 and redirect them to the squid server (port 3128, I think). I think you have to do it for both incoming and outgoing traffic, but I'm not sure about that. Can anybody comment on this? -Rob __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 10 11:37:03 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 03:37:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] A Beowulf server for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109EA03@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <20051110113703.64538.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't know the answer to your question, but make sure you consider the space issue. Clustering enough of these machines together might take up almost a whole room... -Rob --- Henry Hartley wrote: > > This is a bit of an odd question, perhaps, but the > company I work for in > my day job is surplussing a bunch of old Dell 566MHz > Celeron computers > (128MB RAM, 10MB drives). I know they'd make > perfectly nice client > machines but that's not usually the bottleneck. > There are lots of > machines of this class, or even PIIs) to be had, > particularly in this > area (Maryland suburbs of Washington DC). The thing > that actually costs > money is the server. > > So, a thought occurred to me when I saw three stacks > of about 25 of > these machines each. Could you build a Beowulf > machine out of these old > machines to act as server? I suppose you'd still > want to invest in some > hard drives and build a RAID array of some sort but > would the combined > memory and processors be able to take the place of a > server? Would it > take too many machines to be worthwhile? Like 50 > machines to run a 25 > client lab - not counting client machines? On the > other hand, they are > essentially free. Of course, there's always the > power consumption to be > considered. > > Or is this a stupid idea. > > -- > Henry Hartley > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From thepiano at telenet.be Thu Nov 10 11:38:00 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:38:00 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Bell system In-Reply-To: <4372D206.6000108@litwiller.net> References: <20051109200615.M74622@winonacotter.org> <4372D206.6000108@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <8B9B676B-E800-4DCE-B7F7-016F06CE1E65@telenet.be> I'd be happy to see them :-) Op 10-nov-05, om 05:52 heeft Tim Litwiller het volgende geschreven: > Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> I saw the post last week about using linux for a school bell >> system. My main >> school uses 14 different bell schedules which has always been a >> nightmare. ... >> This is cool. Thanks for the ideas everyone! >> >> I now have the next 2 months of bells scheduled, and I can fully >> control them >> from home if I need to with webmin! >> >> Jim Kronebusch >> Cotter Tech Department >> 507-453-518 > I sure would like to see those scripts. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From gumprechtm at msad3.org Thu Nov 10 11:46:56 2005 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:46:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora LTSP or Ubuntu LTSP, that is the question In-Reply-To: <20051109162229.M36282@winonacotter.org> References: <20051109162229.M36282@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <43733330.8090605@msad3.org> I tried fc4 and had issues on the Dell 2850's with lockups surounding the raid controller. I went over to the K12LTSPEL version and all has been well. I tried the edubuntu, one issue I seemed to have is once the edubuntu, (or the ltsp package loaded onto breezy), The share folder gui under administration will not function. Mark Jim Kronebusch wrote: >I will be building a new LTSP server this week for about 30 clients in a High >School lab. I don't know if I should go the Ubuntu route or the Fedora route. > One thing I would really like is hot swap USB jumpdrive support at the >clients. Does anyone know if this is ready for either version? > >Any advice would be great. I have not yet had the opportunity to try the >Ubuntu version. Does the Ubuntu version have the same list of K12 apps? > >Thanks > >Jim Kronebusch >Cotter Tech Department >507-453-5188 > > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Nov 10 13:04:21 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:04:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Message-ID: I have a number of comuters running through squid and this is haening on several servers so I don't think it is a problem on a secific one. After several hours uf use, the workstations stop working on the internet. You can sit and wait a while and it will start working again. Do I need to sto and restart squid regularly or something? Thank you! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From jam at mcquil.com Thu Nov 10 13:42:42 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:42:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora LTSP or Ubuntu LTSP, that is the question In-Reply-To: <4372F15B.4070709@hosef.org> References: <20051109162229.M36282@winonacotter.org> <20051109200415.M5256@winonacotter.org> <4372F15B.4070709@hosef.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:01:16 -0500, David Trask wrote > > > > > Jim....we just got back from Ubuntu Below Zero in Montreal....the current > > > EdUbuntu with LTSP included is not ready for primetime....it was a last > > > minute "shove in". BUT....it will be ready for "Dapper" which will be > > > released in April. The "Breezy" version still has issues. There are MANY > > > exciting things coming....local devices (very cool) and even > > > cooler....simple clustering....easy to configure....then add machines with > > > no HD's to simply add computing power...or add a clone. Ivan gave a > > > presentation and it is in use at a hospital in Zagreb Croatia in grand > > > style....I was truly impressed...and it should be easy for folks to > > > do....very easy (GUI easy). So...my advice? Hold off for now...come to > > > LinuxWorld in Boston...and we can play with the new Dapper Drake version. > > > :-) > > > > > > I need to get a lab going so I think I will go ahead and load the FC4 > > version > > for now. > > The new EdUbuntu sounds awesome. I may just have to take you up on your > > offer > > for LW Boston! If you get a demo of the new Dapper before then let me know. > > > > Thanks for the update. > > > > There are a number of goals for the next release > > http://wiki.edubuntu.org/DapperGoals > > As it stands, I will profess that edubuntu is an outstanding workstation > install(1), but the server install makes one appreciate all the work behind > the K12LTSP The install notes spell out a few hiccups > > http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes > > Known Issues > -During install while the LTSP client environment is being set up, the > progress reporting is a bit poor (expect this step to take about 10min). > -bugzilla bug [WWW] #15244 will affect LTSP users. > -The LTSP login manager is neither pretty, nor do the menus work. > -Manual steps are required for LTSP setup (see Post Install section above for > more details) > -The current LTSP implementation neither supports sound nor local devices for > the Thin Clients. > > The automagic configuration of NAT, Firewalling, and the LTSP in a dual nic > environment is not yet there. This requires some venturing into this document > > http://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup > > If you think that you can install the amd64 version on an Opteron box and > server i386 clients, you will learn that you must actually install and offer > an i386 kernel to your clients. > > I have had my hiney kicked by the server setups. I went there because a > venturous science teacher at one of our recent donations *really* wanted > GRASS. The world of Debian is so rich for such a teacher, so we did it. > > It all just makes me say "Thanks Eric, Jim, and those who have done so much to > make the K12LTSP a generally automagic experience." Thanks, but keep in mind that Eric and I are also working VERY closely with the Ubuntu developers to make Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu as robust as possible. In fact, we just got back from the Ubuntu developers meeting in Montreal, where we created specifications for the next release (6.04 - Dapper Drake). Expect future versions to knock your socks off. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > --scott > > (1) I do mean workstation install as this is an available boot option > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 10 14:51:51 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:51:51 -0600 Subject: {Filename?} Re: [K12OSN] Linux Bell system In-Reply-To: <8B9B676B-E800-4DCE-B7F7-016F06CE1E65@telenet.be> References: <20051109200615.M74622@winonacotter.org> <4372D206.6000108@litwiller.net> <8B9B676B-E800-4DCE-B7F7-016F06CE1E65@telenet.be> Message-ID: <20051110144540.M47936@winonacotter.org> Warning: This message has had one or more attachments removed Warning: (bellscripts.zip). Warning: Please read the "Cotter-Attachment-Warning.txt" attachment(s) for more information. On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:38:00 +0100, Kevin Verheyen wrote > I'd be happy to see them :-) For those who asked here you go. The zip has 2 folders in it, root and var-spool-cron. Place the files in the respective folders on your bell server (/root and /var/spool/cron). The place whatever sound you want as bell.wav in your /root folder. If you put Webmin on the server (yum install webmin) then you can log into Webmin and go to the System tab, then enter the Scheduled Commands module, and set up your scripts to run on whatever days or times you need to swap the cron for different bell schedules. I run my scripts as user root, in directory /root, and execute say ./regular for my regular schedule. I imagine your bells will chime at different times than mine so just vi the /var/spool/cron/root.regular (or whatever file you want) and edit the times the cron jobs are scheduled for. Good luck. -------------- next part -------------- This is a message from the MailScanner E-Mail Virus Protection Service ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The original e-mail attachment "bellscripts.zip" is on the list of unacceptable attachments for this site and has been replaced by this warning message. Due to limitations placed on us by the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000, we were unable to keep a copy of the original attachment. At Thu Nov 10 08:51:52 2005 the virus scanner said: MailScanner: (bellscripts.zip) -- Postmaster Cotter Schools, Inc. www.winonacotter.org MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 10 14:57:33 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:57:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Bell system In-Reply-To: <8B9B676B-E800-4DCE-B7F7-016F06CE1E65@telenet.be> References: <20051109200615.M74622@winonacotter.org> <4372D206.6000108@litwiller.net> <8B9B676B-E800-4DCE-B7F7-016F06CE1E65@telenet.be> Message-ID: <20051110145639.M58532@winonacotter.org> > I'd be happy to see them :-) Sorry about that last message, I'll try again with something I don't think I block :-) For those who asked here you go. The zip has 2 folders in it, root and var-spool-cron. Place the files in the respective folders on your bell server (/root and /var/spool/cron). The place whatever sound you want as bell.wav in your /root folder. If you put Webmin on the server (yum install webmin) then you can log into Webmin and go to the System tab, then enter the Scheduled Commands module, and set up your scripts to run on whatever days or times you need to swap the cron for different bell schedules. I run my scripts as user root, in directory /root, and execute say ./regular for my regular schedule. I imagine your bells will chime at different times than mine so just vi the /var/spool/cron/root.regular (or whatever file you want) and edit the times the cron jobs are scheduled for. Good luck -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bellscripts.tgz Type: application/octet-stream Size: 2013 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 10 15:08:09 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:08:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP VNC Server (on client) In-Reply-To: <20051110104744.10283EB31D@poczta.interia.pl> References: <20051110104744.10283EB31D@poczta.interia.pl> Message-ID: <20051110150411.M14228@winonacotter.org> > Hello! > > I've got running ltsp server (k12 of course) and I would like to > monitor client workstations by VNC (or maybe you've got other > suggestion?). The idea is to be sure if the client is running > properly. Is it possoble to run VNC Server on thin client machine? > > Kind regards > kris23 Check out Fl_TeacherTool 0.1, I think this should be what you are looking for. Follow this link for more info http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From fhkms at adelphia.net Thu Nov 10 13:45:40 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:45:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] website blocking In-Reply-To: <20051110112654.53750.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051110112654.53750.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1131630341.3402.14.camel@ws231.ltsp> I have Dansguardian and Squid running directly off of my K12ltsp server. Here are the steps I took to get it going: 1. click "desktop" then "system settings" then "server settings" then "services" 2. log in as root, if you are not already 3. in the service configuration window, make sure the Dansguardian and Squid boxes are checked. Then "file" and "save" the configuration. Then "start". If Dansguardian and Squid do not show up in the selection of programs listed in service configuration, then use the original k12ltsp cds and install them (or download the rpm from the internet) 4. Reboot the server so the changes can take affect. 5. open your internet browser (mozilla, konquerer) 6. THIS IS KEY! click "edit" then "preferences" then "general". Open "connection settings". select "manual proxy". type in "localhost" where it says http, then under port type in "8080" 7. you can add any sites you want to be unfiltered at the bottom of this window. 8. Check your filter by trying to surf an inappropriate site! This worked for me. The filter isn't perfect of course (no substitute for supervision). On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 03:26 -0800, Rob Owens wrote: > --- Petre Scheie wrote: > > That's come up before: For DansGuardian or > > SquidGuard to work, they must be installed on > > a machine separate from the terminal server; it > > won't work if you install it on the > > terminal server. > > You can actually get it to work on the terminal server > with some fancy iptables work. Don't ask me how, but > I did it once. Basically you configure iptables to > intercept all requests bound for port 80 and redirect > them to the squid server (port 3128, I think). I > think you have to do it for both incoming and outgoing > traffic, but I'm not sure about that. Can anybody > comment on this? > > -Rob > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 10 15:12:02 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:12:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP VNC Server (on client) In-Reply-To: <20051110150411.M14228@winonacotter.org> References: <20051110104744.10283EB31D@poczta.interia.pl> <20051110150411.M14228@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20051110151036.M89993@winonacotter.org> > > I've got running ltsp server (k12 of course) and I would like to > > monitor client workstations by VNC (or maybe you've got other > > suggestion?). The idea is to be sure if the client is running > > properly. Is it possoble to run VNC Server on thin client machine? > > > > Kind regards > > kris23 > > Check out Fl_TeacherTool 0.1, I think this should be what you are > looking for. > > Follow this link for more info http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ Sorry about that. I looks like it will broadcast your workstation session to all users but not let you view the individual. I know this has been done in the past with the original TeacherTool. You may want to contact Chuck Liebow for some more info on that. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 10 16:57:41 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:57:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Bell system In-Reply-To: <2044207352.1131620606@[10.2.36.194]> References: <20051109200615.M74622@winonacotter.org> <2044207352.1131620606@[10.2.36.194]> Message-ID: <20051110164636.M9768@winonacotter.org> > So you are using cron to schedule bells and delivering the sound > (tones) via your in house intercom system - YES ? Very smart. How > did the intercom interface go ? Any really old systems ? You can > control alternate schedules and even fire drills and stuff YES ? Looks like I was missing one piece. I now added a daily restart of crond after running the script to swap cron jobs. I also am now adding more stuff to play different start of day sounds (such as announcing todays schedule) and different end of day sounds (say laughter and jubilation). I wired an 1/8th male audio jack to a 3 prong male microphone jack and plugged the microphone jack to our receiver for our intercom system. So now the computer is simply another microphone on the system. Whichever cron schedule is set for the day plays the selected audio tone over the intercom system. I can now simply SCP any audio file over to the system and play it on demand as well at the command line with "play /path/to/audiofile". This will be fun. Using the task scheduler from webmin makes a nice gui way to automate the scripts ahead of time as well. Never thought of using this for fire drills, I don't know what kind of rules there are for that but I imagine this would have to be tied into the fire sensing system and manual alarm boxes to be of code. I hope the scripts and stuff above help. Let me know if you have any other questions. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Nov 10 17:28:45 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:28:45 -0600 (CST) Subject: {Filename?} Re: [K12OSN] Linux Bell system In-Reply-To: <20051110144540.M47936@winonacotter.org> References: <20051109200615.M74622@winonacotter.org> <4372D206.6000108@litwiller.net> <8B9B676B-E800-4DCE-B7F7-016F06CE1E65@telenet.be> <20051110144540.M47936@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Can you resend that and take the .zip extension off? Our local mail scanner strips .zip extensions. . . Thanks Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Warning: This message has had one or more attachments removed > Warning: (bellscripts.zip). > Warning: Please read the "Cotter-Attachment-Warning.txt" attachment(s) for more information. > > On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:38:00 +0100, Kevin Verheyen wrote > > I'd be happy to see them :-) > > For those who asked here you go. The zip has 2 folders in it, root and > var-spool-cron. Place the files in the respective folders on your bell server > (/root and /var/spool/cron). The place whatever sound you want as bell.wav in > your /root folder. If you put Webmin on the server (yum install webmin) then > you can log into Webmin and go to the System tab, then enter the Scheduled > Commands module, and set up your scripts to run on whatever days or times you > need to swap the cron for different bell schedules. I run my scripts as user > root, in directory /root, and execute say ./regular for my regular schedule. > I imagine your bells will chime at different times than mine so just vi the > /var/spool/cron/root.regular (or whatever file you want) and edit the times > the cron jobs are scheduled for. Good luck. > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Nov 10 17:36:47 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:36:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Bell system In-Reply-To: <20051110164636.M9768@winonacotter.org> References: <20051109200615.M74622@winonacotter.org> <2044207352.1131620606@[10.2.36.194]> <20051110164636.M9768@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Do you have to manually push the button on your intercom to get the sound files to play over the intercom? If so, there may be an easy way around that. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > So you are using cron to schedule bells and delivering the sound > > (tones) via your in house intercom system - YES ? Very smart. How > > did the intercom interface go ? Any really old systems ? You can > > control alternate schedules and even fire drills and stuff YES ? > > Looks like I was missing one piece. I now added a daily restart of crond > after running the script to swap cron jobs. I also am now adding more stuff > to play different start of day sounds (such as announcing todays schedule) and > different end of day sounds (say laughter and jubilation). > > I wired an 1/8th male audio jack to a 3 prong male microphone jack and plugged > the microphone jack to our receiver for our intercom system. So now the > computer is simply another microphone on the system. Whichever cron schedule > is set for the day plays the selected audio tone over the intercom system. I > can now simply SCP any audio file over to the system and play it on demand as > well at the command line with "play /path/to/audiofile". This will be fun. > > Using the task scheduler from webmin makes a nice gui way to automate the > scripts ahead of time as well. > > Never thought of using this for fire drills, I don't know what kind of rules > there are for that but I imagine this would have to be tied into the fire > sensing system and manual alarm boxes to be of code. > > I hope the scripts and stuff above help. Let me know if you have any other > questions. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 10 18:02:44 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:02:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Bell system In-Reply-To: References: <20051109200615.M74622@winonacotter.org> <2044207352.1131620606@[10.2.36.194]> <20051110164636.M9768@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20051110180043.M20200@winonacotter.org> > Do you have to manually push the button on your intercom to get the > sound files to play over the intercom? > > If so, there may be an easy way around that. . . Nope. The intercom system is a audio receiver with inputs. The inputs are always on. I have a couple mic jacks on it. The mic in the office for announcements has an activation button. But my audio line is always on. The receiver is hooked to a series of amps to drive speakers throughout the school. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 10 18:04:00 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:04:00 -0600 Subject: {Filename?} Re: [K12OSN] Linux Bell system In-Reply-To: References: <20051109200615.M74622@winonacotter.org> <4372D206.6000108@litwiller.net> <8B9B676B-E800-4DCE-B7F7-016F06CE1E65@telenet.be> <20051110144540.M47936@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20051110180304.M92028@winonacotter.org> > Can you resend that and take the .zip extension off? > > Our local mail scanner strips .zip extensions. . . > There should have been another one as a .tgz, but here it is without the .zip. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Tom Ventresco From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Nov 10 19:01:29 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:01:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora LTSP or Ubuntu LTSP, that is the question In-Reply-To: References: <20051109162229.M36282@winonacotter.org> <20051109200415.M5256@winonacotter.org> <4372F15B.4070709@hosef.org> Message-ID: <43739909.6090307@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jim McQuillan wrote: > Thanks, but keep in mind that Eric and I are also working VERY closely > with the Ubuntu developers to make Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu as > robust as possible. In fact, we just got back from the Ubuntu > developers meeting in Montreal, where we created specifications > for the next release (6.04 - Dapper Drake). Expect future versions to > knock your socks off. I'm going to echo Jim's comments. While the first crack at a "Muekow" implementation (Ubuntu 5.10) is not 100% perfect, it is clear that there are no technical hurdles to making it meet and exceed the "traditional" LTSP implementation. Given how far the Ubuntu crew has come in just a few short months, I too expect the future versions to knock my socks off. I have started to port Ubuntu's "Muekow" implementation to RedHat/Fedora, with the hopes of having it ready for K12LTSP 5.0. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From scott at hosef.org Thu Nov 10 19:24:06 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:24:06 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora LTSP or Ubuntu LTSP, that is the question In-Reply-To: References: <20051109162229.M36282@winonacotter.org> <20051109200415.M5256@winonacotter.org> <4372F15B.4070709@hosef.org> Message-ID: <43739E56.8010302@hosef.org> Jim McQuillan wrote: > > Thanks, but keep in mind that Eric and I are also working VERY closely > with the Ubuntu developers to make Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu as > robust as possible. In fact, we just got back from the Ubuntu > developers meeting in Montreal, where we created specifications > for the next release (6.04 - Dapper Drake). Expect future versions to > knock your socks off. I am very excited about the next release, or at least what I have read on the wiki. Ubuntu has long knocked my socks off (well, flip-flops out here), and those of a lot of kids. The fact that edubuntu was so quickly created, and that kubuntu has been exalted, is blinding testimony to the strength of a FOSS development model. It is outstanding that you guys are collaborating with Ubuntu. I hope the debian-edu team is involved, too. I knew a lot of work was going into breezy, yourselves included. Because of how much reverence I have for this distro, I actually *was* surprised that it was not perfectly shiny yet in a k12ltsp setting. I did not imagine that it would take a year to reach the same state (or better) as the K12 or Skole. It made me realize just how much work had gone into the current state of the K12LTSP, and it is this that I was praising. As a debian die-hard and heavy advocate of Ubuntu, I hope my comments did not sound dismissive or disrespectful of Muekow. I'm clearly more of a manager than a developer, so my idea of how long things should take borders somewhere in the area of clueless. :-) > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org --scott From pfaffman at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 19:42:24 2005 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:42:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] universal boot CD Message-ID: <932609800511101142s11fc432ek1c603ddead3edae9@mail.gmail.com> I've been trying to get what I like to call "normal people" able to set up a k12ltsp lab. Setting up the server is easy, but figuring out what ethernet card to use to build an image with rom-o-matic is not. Sure, I can do it, but I find it seems commically difficult to explain. At some point I found a CD that would work with (presumably) any machine. I can't find it again and don't know what I did with the image. I'm generally able to find things with google, so much so that I mostly don't fool with bookmarks in any principled way, but this continues to elude me after looking several times. Can anyone tell me where to find it? -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fhkms at adelphia.net Thu Nov 10 19:55:17 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:55:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] universal boot CD In-Reply-To: <932609800511101142s11fc432ek1c603ddead3edae9@mail.gmail.com> References: <932609800511101142s11fc432ek1c603ddead3edae9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1131652517.7801.1.camel@ws231.ltsp> I've been using a disk image for about 2 years, that seems to work with most ethernet cards. In google, or some search engine, look for: ebnet522.dsk Use rawrite to write this image to a floppy. Your thin clients should boot no problem! On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 14:42 -0500, Jay Pfaffman wrote: > I've been trying to get what I like to call "normal people" able to > set up a k12ltsp lab. Setting up the server is easy, but figuring out > what ethernet card to use to build an image with rom-o-matic is not. > Sure, I can do it, but I find it seems commically difficult to > explain. At some point I found a CD that would work with (presumably) > any machine. I can't find it again and don't know what I did with the > image. I'm generally able to find things with google, so much so that > I mostly don't fool with bookmarks in any principled way, but this > continues to elude me after looking several times. > > Can anyone tell me where to find it? > > -- > Jay Pfaffman > Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville > Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From scott at hosef.org Thu Nov 10 20:40:47 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:40:47 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] universal boot CD In-Reply-To: <1131652517.7801.1.camel@ws231.ltsp> References: <932609800511101142s11fc432ek1c603ddead3edae9@mail.gmail.com> <1131652517.7801.1.camel@ws231.ltsp> Message-ID: <4373B04F.8070903@hosef.org> Will Hatch wrote: > I've been using a disk image for about 2 years, that seems to work with > most ethernet cards. In google, or some search engine, look for: > ebnet522.dsk > > Use rawrite to write this image to a floppy. Your thin clients should > boot no problem! > > > On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 14:42 -0500, Jay Pfaffman wrote: > >>I've been trying to get what I like to call "normal people" able to >>set up a k12ltsp lab. Setting up the server is easy, but figuring out >>what ethernet card to use to build an image with rom-o-matic is not. >>Sure, I can do it, but I find it seems commically difficult to >>explain. At some point I found a CD that would work with (presumably) >>any machine. I can't find it again and don't know what I did with the >>image. I'm generally able to find things with google, so much so that >>I mostly don't fool with bookmarks in any principled way, but this >>continues to elude me after looking several times. >> >>Can anyone tell me where to find it? One can find the Universal Boot Floppy and the ebnet522.dsk on their K12LTSP server at /tftpboot/lts/boot/bootroms cat image >> /dev/fd0 I wonder if the UBF image would work just as well on a CD, and I wonder if *all* the images could be put on one magical CD. >> >>-- >>Jay Pfaffman >>Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville --scott From stegil at hotmail.com Thu Nov 10 20:46:18 2005 From: stegil at hotmail.com (steve gilmore) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:46:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] universal boot CD References: <932609800511101142s11fc432ek1c603ddead3edae9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You can find it as a utility in the thinstation download. http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/ThIndex If we are permitted to upload things I have the ISO , of universal boot cd at 624kb , not very large. SteveG ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Pfaffman To: K12OSN at redhat.com Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: [K12OSN] universal boot CD I've been trying to get what I like to call "normal people" able to set up a k12ltsp lab. Setting up the server is easy, but figuring out what ethernet card to use to build an image with rom-o-matic is not. Sure, I can do it, but I find it seems commically difficult to explain. At some point I found a CD that would work with (presumably) any machine. I can't find it again and don't know what I did with the image. I'm generally able to find things with google, so much so that I mostly don't fool with bookmarks in any principled way, but this continues to elude me after looking several times. Can anyone tell me where to find it? -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kris23 at poczta.fm Thu Nov 10 21:46:14 2005 From: kris23 at poczta.fm (Futrzak) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:46:14 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] universal boot CD References: <932609800511101142s11fc432ek1c603ddead3edae9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001d01c5e640$2d9608f0$8b33153e@futrzak> Hi! The attatchment to your mail was propably deleted. Could you send it to me directly? I am currently looking for such cd image. Thanks, kris23 ----- Original Message ----- From: steve gilmore To: pfaffman at relaxpc.com ; Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] universal boot CD You can find it as a utility in the thinstation download. http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/ThIndex If we are permitted to upload things I have the ISO , of universal boot cd at 624kb , not very large. SteveG ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Pfaffman To: K12OSN at redhat.com Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: [K12OSN] universal boot CD I've been trying to get what I like to call "normal people" able to set up a k12ltsp lab. Setting up the server is easy, but figuring out what ethernet card to use to build an image with rom-o-matic is not. Sure, I can do it, but I find it seems commically difficult to explain. At some point I found a CD that would work with (presumably) any machine. I can't find it again and don't know what I did with the image. 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URL: From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 10 22:10:23 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:10:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] universal boot CD In-Reply-To: <932609800511101142s11fc432ek1c603ddead3edae9@mail.gmail.com> References: <932609800511101142s11fc432ek1c603ddead3edae9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1131660623.21706.37.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 13:42, Jay Pfaffman wrote: > I've been trying to get what I like to call "normal people" able to > set up a k12ltsp lab. Setting up the server is easy, but figuring out > what ethernet card to use to build an image with rom-o-matic is not. > Sure, I can do it, but I find it seems commically difficult to > explain. At some point I found a CD that would work with (presumably) > any machine. I can't find it again and don't know what I did with the > image. I'm generally able to find things with google, so much so that > I mostly don't fool with bookmarks in any principled way, but this > continues to elude me after looking several times. > > Can anyone tell me where to find it? If you search back in the mail list archives you'll find one that Eric kindly built: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/eb_pci.iso that appears to still be available. It works for me in one of those tiny PC's with a cd and no floppy. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From k12ltsp at trinityschool.org.uk Thu Nov 10 22:13:49 2005 From: k12ltsp at trinityschool.org.uk (Peter Deakin) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:13:49 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP VNC Server (on client) In-Reply-To: <20051110104744.10283EB31D@poczta.interia.pl> References: <20051110104744.10283EB31D@poczta.interia.pl> Message-ID: <4373C61D.50200@trinityschool.org.uk> Futrzak wrote: >Hello! > >I've got running ltsp server (k12 of course) and I would like to monitor client workstations by VNC (or maybe you've got other suggestion?). The idea is to be sure if the client is running properly. Is it possoble to run VNC Server on thin client machine? > >Kind regards >kris23 > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >INTERIA.PL | Kliknij po wiecej >>> http://link.interia.pl/f18c1 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > >. > > > Follow the mini how too by Martin Woolley under the VNC section on the link below http://www.openhgs.org/it.cgi/AllServers I use it on FC3 all the time to view student desktops You can use the command last |grep "still logged in" to see who is logged into which work station, then, vncviewer -viewonly ws???.ltsp (substitute the workstation number for the question marks) this will enable you to view the workstation without the knowledge of the user or vncviewer ws???.ltsp to control the mouse and keyboard. Peter Deakin From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Nov 10 22:32:10 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:32:10 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP VNC Server (on client) Message-ID: <200511110037.jAB0bvW29014@downeast.net> check the wiki under experimental..i use x11vnc..others have used vnc.so..i ite my x11vnc into Teachertool.chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 01:15:32 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:15:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Bell system In-Reply-To: <20051110164636.M9768@winonacotter.org> References: <20051109200615.M74622@winonacotter.org> <2044207352.1131620606@[10.2.36.194]> <20051110164636.M9768@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4373F0B4.5030009@gmail.com> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>So you are using cron to schedule bells and delivering the sound >>(tones) via your in house intercom system - YES ? Very smart. How >>did the intercom interface go ? Any really old systems ? You can >>control alternate schedules and even fire drills and stuff YES ? >> >> > >Looks like I was missing one piece. I now added a daily restart of crond >after running the script to swap cron jobs. I also am now adding more stuff >to play different start of day sounds (such as announcing todays schedule) and >different end of day sounds (say laughter and jubilation). > >I wired an 1/8th male audio jack to a 3 prong male microphone jack and plugged >the microphone jack to our receiver for our intercom system. So now the >computer is simply another microphone on the system. Whichever cron schedule >is set for the day plays the selected audio tone over the intercom system. I >can now simply SCP any audio file over to the system and play it on demand as >well at the command line with "play /path/to/audiofile". This will be fun. > >Using the task scheduler from webmin makes a nice gui way to automate the >scripts ahead of time as well. > >Never thought of using this for fire drills, I don't know what kind of rules >there are for that but I imagine this would have to be tied into the fire >sensing system and manual alarm boxes to be of code. > >I hope the scripts and stuff above help. Let me know if you have any other >questions. > > > *Please* tell me that you have it secured against unauthorized access. I know how much fun /I/ would have had with unrestricted access to the P.A. system. -- Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting From robark at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 08:13:49 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:13:49 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Official K12LTSP - FOSS Report from Canada Message-ID: ERAC (Educational Resource Acquisition Consortium) is an association of British Columbia public school districts. They have just released their official report on Free Open Source Software in Education. Mainly about K12LTSP. It's a pretty good report. Some technical bloopers but overall positive. http://www.bcerac.ca/OpenSourceReportNov7.pdf -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Fri Nov 11 12:40:12 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:40:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp 4.2.1-EL Message-ID: <200511111239.jABCdLY20405@www.mi-spot.com> I've been fighting this problem for about three days now, and I'm frustrated. I've been trying to install the EL version of K12LTSP on a server. I've had the fedora version on it in the past, and I'm doing a fresh install. My problem comes when I hit the third cd, with the package xhtml1-dtd. It says the package is corrupted, or the cd is. So I downloaded the iso again, ran the MD5 check again, and burned it again only to get the same results. I even borrowed a blank cd from a friend just in case my cd's might be bad. Always the same error. Any suggestions to a work-around? There is no option to ignore the package, just click on ok, or restart the process, both of which I've done many times over. I remember having the exact same package giving me problems on previous installations, but re-downloading or re-burning always seemed to fix the problem. Thanks, Eric From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Fri Nov 11 13:31:32 2005 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:31:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync help Message-ID: <200511110831.32591.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Good morning to all. I note at least some of you use rsync on a regular basis, and would appreciate your help. Some background info.: both A and B run CentOS 3.5. SSH and rsync are installed, and I created the user rsync, on both machines. I have a project in which I need to update files in a directory on server B with the originals on server A. I have a script that accomplishes this using rsync, and it works very well. However, I'm prompted for a password when connecting to server B. As I want to cron the running of the script, I don't want to be prompted for the password. I've read how-to's on using rsync, and believe that I must create an rsync server on server B. I guess that entails creating an rsyncd.conf file, then running rysnc as a daemon. Prior to that, however, it looks like I need to create an rsa key pair on server A, then get the public key to server B. I've done this. The how-to's go on to say that I should load the key into memory with the "ssh-add" command. That doesn't work unless I use the "ssh-agent $SHELL" first. I've done this, as well. However, when I try to access server B with the "slogin" command, I'm still prompted for a password. I really need to set this up so that the script will run unattended. Your help would be most appreciated. Thanks. Dimitri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Nov 11 13:39:44 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:39:44 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync help In-Reply-To: <200511110831.32591.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <200511110831.32591.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <43749F20.2050008@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > Good morning to all. > > I note at least some of you use rsync on a regular basis, and would appreciate > your help. > > Some background info.: both A and B run CentOS 3.5. SSH and rsync are > installed, and I created the user rsync, on both machines. > > I have a project in which I need to update files in a directory on server B > with the originals on server A. I have a script that accomplishes this using > rsync, and it works very well. However, I'm prompted for a password when > connecting to server B. As I want to cron the running of the script, I don't > want to be prompted for the password. > > I've read how-to's on using rsync, and believe that I must create an rsync > server on server B. I guess that entails creating an rsyncd.conf file, then > running rysnc as a daemon. Prior to that, however, it looks like I need to > create an rsa key pair on server A, then get the public key to server B. > I've done this. The how-to's go on to say that I should load the key into > memory with the "ssh-add" command. That doesn't work unless I use the > "ssh-agent $SHELL" first. I've done this, as well. However, when I try to > access server B with the "slogin" command, I'm still prompted for a password. > > I really need to set this up so that the script will run unattended. Your > help would be most appreciated. > > Thanks. > > Dimitri > I've just done this for building a backup server. Try this link as a start http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/SSHwithoutPasswords & this one http://dsg.port.ac.uk/~rjb/misc/howto/ssh/index.php The second one makes more sense if you've read the first one first :-) Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From accessys at smart.net Fri Nov 11 13:41:40 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:41:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] making a live CD...? In-Reply-To: <200511110831.32591.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <200511110831.32591.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: I must be getting senile or something because I know I have done this before but I'm getting a blank and can't find what I need on the internet.. I have a working live CD... (simply Meapis) that I would like to make copies of to give to the folks...I only have one working CD burner at the moment so I can't write on the fly, besides I'd like it on my hard drive to make copies as needed. using X-CD-Roast how do I get this iso image onto my drive and then burned onto disks....forgive the basic lesson but I have already made several non functioning disks and I have one or two people I've convinced to try linux but they are getting suspicious when I can't even burn a CD for them....... thanks Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Nov 11 13:54:31 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:54:31 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] making a live CD...? In-Reply-To: References: <200511110831.32591.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: One way to get an image of the CD is to: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/path/to/iso/imagfile.iso This will take an image of a CD from the CDROM and place it wherever you specify. then you can use XCDRoast to burn the iso. Make sure you write it as a track and not a file. If you write it as a file, you will have ine big file on the CD of whatever you named the file. If you write it as a track, you'll have several files but notht efilename of the file you wrote. Hope this helps. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, Access Systems wrote: > > I must be getting senile or something because I know I have done this > before but I'm getting a blank and can't find what I need on the > internet.. > > I have a working live CD... (simply Meapis) that I would like to make > copies of to give to the folks...I only have one working CD burner at the > moment so I can't write on the fly, besides I'd like it on my hard drive > to make copies as needed. > > using X-CD-Roast how do I get this iso image onto my drive and then > burned onto disks....forgive the basic lesson but I have already made > several non functioning disks and I have one or two people I've convinced > to try linux but they are getting suspicious when I can't even burn a CD > for them....... > > thanks > Bob > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net > NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers > NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be > privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Nov 11 14:12:32 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:12:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Bell system In-Reply-To: <4373F0B4.5030009@gmail.com> References: <20051109200615.M74622@winonacotter.org> <2044207352.1131620606@[10.2.36.194]> <20051110164636.M9768@winonacotter.org> <4373F0B4.5030009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051111141140.M89204@winonacotter.org> > *Please* tell me that you have it secured against unauthorized > access. I know how much fun /I/ would have had with unrestricted > access to the > P.A. system. Everything is locked in a server room and network access is only available via ssh and Webmin with passwords. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From gumprechtm at msad3.org Fri Nov 11 14:15:17 2005 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:15:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp 4.2.1-EL In-Reply-To: <200511111239.jABCdLY20405@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200511111239.jABCdLY20405@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <4374A775.6050002@msad3.org> Did you run the test on the disks to make sure they burned properly? I have been frustrated by disks that "appeared" to be good, but after running the disk check on them, found them to be bad. Did you down load the iso from the same sight? Try a different sight I also gave up on cd's and went to a nfs install. Faster, cleaner, and less aggrivating. HTH Mark Eric Brown wrote: >I've been fighting this problem for about three days now, and I'm >frustrated. > >I've been trying to install the EL version of K12LTSP on a server. I've had >the fedora version on it in the past, and I'm doing a fresh install. My >problem comes when I hit the third cd, with the package xhtml1-dtd. It says >the package is corrupted, or the cd is. So I downloaded the iso again, ran >the MD5 check again, and burned it again only to get the same results. I >even borrowed a blank cd from a friend just in case my cd's might be bad. >Always the same error. > >Any suggestions to a work-around? There is no option to ignore the package, >just click on ok, or restart the process, both of which I've done many times >over. > >I remember having the exact same package giving me problems on previous >installations, but re-downloading or re-burning always seemed to fix the >problem. > >Thanks, >Eric > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 11 14:26:00 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:26:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp 4.2.1-EL In-Reply-To: <200511111239.jABCdLY20405@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200511111239.jABCdLY20405@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <1131719160.2407.14.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 06:40, Eric Brown wrote: > I've been fighting this problem for about three days now, and I'm > frustrated. > > I've been trying to install the EL version of K12LTSP on a server. I've had > the fedora version on it in the past, and I'm doing a fresh install. My > problem comes when I hit the third cd, with the package xhtml1-dtd. It says > the package is corrupted, or the cd is. So I downloaded the iso again, ran > the MD5 check again, and burned it again only to get the same results. I > even borrowed a blank cd from a friend just in case my cd's might be bad. > Always the same error. > > Any suggestions to a work-around? There is no option to ignore the package, > just click on ok, or restart the process, both of which I've done many times > over. > > I remember having the exact same package giving me problems on previous > installations, but re-downloading or re-burning always seemed to fix the > problem. Sometimes CD's work better if you use a lower burn speed, but if you can download the image files to an NFS-exported directory you can boot the first CD with 'linux askmethod' at the boot prompt, pick NFS as the install method and point it to the server and directory. Even if you don't have trouble with the CDs it's much faster that way and you don't have to swap any disks. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Fri Nov 11 14:27:02 2005 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:27:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync help Message-ID: <200511110927.02490.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Friday November 11 2005 8:39 am, Brian Chivers wrote: > Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > > Good morning to all. > > > > I note at least some of you use rsync on a regular basis, and would > > appreciate your help. > > > > Some background info.: both A and B run CentOS 3.5. SSH and rsync are > > installed, and I created the user rsync, on both machines. > > > > I have a project in which I need to update files in a directory on server > > B with the originals on server A. I have a script that accomplishes this > > using rsync, and it works very well. However, I'm prompted for a > > password when connecting to server B. As I want to cron the running of > > the script, I don't want to be prompted for the password. > > > > I've read how-to's on using rsync, and believe that I must create an > > rsync server on server B. I guess that entails creating an rsyncd.conf > > file, then running rysnc as a daemon. Prior to that, however, it looks > > like I need to create an rsa key pair on server A, then get the public > > key to server B. I've done this. The how-to's go on to say that I should > > load the key into memory with the "ssh-add" command. That doesn't work > > unless I use the "ssh-agent $SHELL" first. I've done this, as well. > > However, when I try to access server B with the "slogin" command, I'm > > still prompted for a password. > > > > I really need to set this up so that the script will run unattended. > > Your help would be most appreciated. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Dimitri > > I've just done this for building a backup server. > > Try this link as a start > > http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/SSHwithoutPasswords > > & this one > > http://dsg.port.ac.uk/~rjb/misc/howto/ssh/index.php > > The second one makes more sense if you've read the first one first :-) > > Brian > I must be a complete moron, because even though I followed these latest how-to's to the letter, I'm still prompted for a password. What in the world am I doing wrong? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Nov 11 14:30:31 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:30:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp 4.2.1-EL In-Reply-To: <4374A775.6050002@msad3.org> References: <200511111239.jABCdLY20405@www.mi-spot.com> <4374A775.6050002@msad3.org> Message-ID: <20051111142407.M93460@winonacotter.org> > >I've been trying to install the EL version of K12LTSP on a server. I've had > >the fedora version on it in the past, and I'm doing a fresh install. My > >problem comes when I hit the third cd, with the package xhtml1-dtd. It says > >the package is corrupted, or the cd is. So I downloaded the iso again, ran > >the MD5 check again, and burned it again only to get the same results. I > >even borrowed a blank cd from a friend just in case my cd's might be bad. > >Always the same error. > > > >Any suggestions to a work-around? I have run into the same problems and have actually attributed it to the CDROM many times, even more trouble with DVDROMs. I have now gone to the NFS install method as well, I never have to worry about bad CDROM drives or scratch/poorly written CDs, I don't have to "find" my CDs which can sometimes be a task in itself, I don't have to babysit the install and swap CDs, and I don't have to burn new CD sets from completely new downloaded isos every time an update comes out. Simply set up a machine anywhere on your network with some distro of linux, download your iso's to that machine (once), then NFS export the directory from that machine to your network (I use webmin to setup exports, very simple). The you just need a linux boot CD and boot with "linux askmethod" and type in the IP of your NFS machine when prompted and the name of your NFS export. After that everything runs like a standard install, but smoother and faster. When a new update comes out follow the instructions on this link (step 1 & 2) to rename your isos and rsync the changes. Very nice once setup. Otherwise try a different CDROM drive in the machine. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Nov 11 14:32:53 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:32:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp 4.2.1-EL In-Reply-To: <20051111142407.M93460@winonacotter.org> References: <200511111239.jABCdLY20405@www.mi-spot.com> <4374A775.6050002@msad3.org> <20051111142407.M93460@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20051111143222.M40378@winonacotter.org> > update comes out follow the instructions on this link (step 1 & 2) sorry, heres the link http://k12ltsp.org/download.html -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 14:57:49 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:57:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] making a live CD...? In-Reply-To: References: <200511110831.32591.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: Hello, One way I found to rip a CD is by using the command readcd. You'll need to know the CD-rom device address (which you can get by running the command 'cdrecord -scanbus' and looking for the 0,0,1 or whatever it is for you. Then issue the command 'readcd dev=0,0,1 f=filename.iso' and that will create the CD image which you can then burn using X-roast. Joseph On 11/11/05, Access Systems wrote: > > I must be getting senile or something because I know I have done this > before but I'm getting a blank and can't find what I need on the > internet.. > > I have a working live CD... (simply Meapis) that I would like to make > copies of to give to the folks...I only have one working CD burner at the > moment so I can't write on the fly, besides I'd like it on my hard drive > to make copies as needed. > > using X-CD-Roast how do I get this iso image onto my drive and then > burned onto disks....forgive the basic lesson but I have already made > several non functioning disks and I have one or two people I've convinced > to try linux but they are getting suspicious when I can't even burn a CD > for them....... > > thanks > Bob > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net > NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers > NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be > privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Nov 11 15:03:58 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:03:58 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync help In-Reply-To: <200511110927.02490.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <200511110927.02490.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <4374B2DE.6070108@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > On Friday November 11 2005 8:39 am, Brian Chivers wrote: > >>Dimitri Yioulos wrote: >> >>>Good morning to all. >>> >>>I note at least some of you use rsync on a regular basis, and would >>>appreciate your help. >>> >>>Some background info.: both A and B run CentOS 3.5. SSH and rsync are >>>installed, and I created the user rsync, on both machines. >>> >>>I have a project in which I need to update files in a directory on server >>>B with the originals on server A. I have a script that accomplishes this >>>using rsync, and it works very well. However, I'm prompted for a >>>password when connecting to server B. As I want to cron the running of >>>the script, I don't want to be prompted for the password. >>> >>>I've read how-to's on using rsync, and believe that I must create an >>>rsync server on server B. I guess that entails creating an rsyncd.conf >>>file, then running rysnc as a daemon. Prior to that, however, it looks >>>like I need to create an rsa key pair on server A, then get the public >>>key to server B. I've done this. The how-to's go on to say that I should >>>load the key into memory with the "ssh-add" command. That doesn't work >>>unless I use the "ssh-agent $SHELL" first. I've done this, as well. >>>However, when I try to access server B with the "slogin" command, I'm >>>still prompted for a password. >>> >>>I really need to set this up so that the script will run unattended. >>>Your help would be most appreciated. >>> >>>Thanks. >>> >>>Dimitri >> >>I've just done this for building a backup server. >> >>Try this link as a start >> >>http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/SSHwithoutPasswords >> >>& this one >> >>http://dsg.port.ac.uk/~rjb/misc/howto/ssh/index.php >> >>The second one makes more sense if you've read the first one first :-) >> >>Brian >> > > > I must be a complete moron, because even though I followed these latest > how-to's to the letter, I'm still prompted for a password. What in the world > am I doing wrong? > If memory servers me correctly I had to ssh into the the box from the other system once with a password then it sort of "kicked in" This is sort of what I did, server a ssh to server b server a logged in as root ssh-keygen -t dsa -b 4096 (just hit enter for all the questions) server a chmod 0644 ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub copy ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub from server a to server b into /root/.ssh if it's root that yoiur using for the ID server b in /root/.ssh/ cat id_dsa.pub >> authorized_keys Sorry a little rough from notes Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 15:19:10 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:19:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP VNC Server (on client) In-Reply-To: <4373C61D.50200@trinityschool.org.uk> References: <20051110104744.10283EB31D@poczta.interia.pl> <4373C61D.50200@trinityschool.org.uk> Message-ID: <9bd317560511110719x3669427eqc47a24262b3d20c6@mail.gmail.com> > Follow the mini how too by Martin Woolley under the VNC section on the > link below > > http://www.openhgs.org/it.cgi/AllServers Would this disrupt the way that vncviewer works in Fl_Teachertool? Thanks, Peter On 11/10/05, Peter Deakin wrote: > Futrzak wrote: > > >Hello! > > > >I've got running ltsp server (k12 of course) and I would like to monitor client workstations by VNC (or maybe you've got other suggestion?). The idea is to be sure if the client is running properly. Is it possoble to run VNC Server on thin client machine? > > > >Kind regards > >kris23 > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >INTERIA.PL | Kliknij po wiecej >>> http://link.interia.pl/f18c1 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > >. > > > > > > > Follow the mini how too by Martin Woolley under the VNC section on the > link below > > http://www.openhgs.org/it.cgi/AllServers > > I use it on FC3 all the time to view student desktops > You can use the command > > last |grep "still logged in" > > to see who is logged into which work station, then, > > vncviewer -viewonly ws???.ltsp (substitute the workstation number > for the question marks) this will enable you to view the workstation > without the knowledge of the user or > > vncviewer ws???.ltsp to control the mouse and keyboard. > > Peter Deakin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 11 15:41:41 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:41:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync help In-Reply-To: <200511110927.02490.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <200511110927.02490.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <1131723701.8383.4.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 08:27, Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > > > > http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/SSHwithoutPasswords > > > > & this one > > > > http://dsg.port.ac.uk/~rjb/misc/howto/ssh/index.php > > > > The second one makes more sense if you've read the first one first :-) > > > > Brian > > > > I must be a complete moron, because even though I followed these latest > how-to's to the letter, I'm still prompted for a password. What in the world > am I doing wrong? First make sure that you are doing the setup and operation as the same user. Ssh is very picky about $HOME/.ssh/* being owned by the right person, having the correct permissions, and not having any directories above writable by others. Try an 'ssh -v' with the same user(s) and you may see a reason for the failure. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 11 15:46:46 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:46:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] making a live CD...? In-Reply-To: References: <200511110831.32591.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <1131724006.8383.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 07:41, Access Systems wrote: > using X-CD-Roast how do I get this iso image onto my drive and then > burned onto disks....forgive the basic lesson but I have already made > several non functioning disks and I have one or two people I've convinced > to try linux but they are getting suspicious when I can't even burn a CD > for them....... Try k3b instead - it is a much nicer interface. Click 'copy cd' on the first screen and fill in the form - the defaults will probably be right. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Fri Nov 11 16:27:04 2005 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:27:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync help Message-ID: <200511111127.05204.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Friday November 11 2005 10:03 am, Brian Chivers wrote: > Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > > On Friday November 11 2005 8:39 am, Brian Chivers wrote: > >>Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > >>>Good morning to all. > >>> > >>>I note at least some of you use rsync on a regular basis, and would > >>>appreciate your help. > >>> > >>>Some background info.: both A and B run CentOS 3.5. SSH and rsync are > >>>installed, and I created the user rsync, on both machines. > >>> > >>>I have a project in which I need to update files in a directory on > >>> server B with the originals on server A. I have a script that > >>> accomplishes this using rsync, and it works very well. However, I'm > >>> prompted for a password when connecting to server B. As I want to cron > >>> the running of the script, I don't want to be prompted for the > >>> password. > >>> > >>>I've read how-to's on using rsync, and believe that I must create an > >>>rsync server on server B. I guess that entails creating an rsyncd.conf > >>>file, then running rysnc as a daemon. Prior to that, however, it looks > >>>like I need to create an rsa key pair on server A, then get the public > >>>key to server B. I've done this. The how-to's go on to say that I > >>> should load the key into memory with the "ssh-add" command. That > >>> doesn't work unless I use the "ssh-agent $SHELL" first. I've done > >>> this, as well. However, when I try to access server B with the "slogin" > >>> command, I'm still prompted for a password. > >>> > >>>I really need to set this up so that the script will run unattended. > >>>Your help would be most appreciated. > >>> > >>>Thanks. > >>> > >>>Dimitri > >> > >>I've just done this for building a backup server. > >> > >>Try this link as a start > >> > >>http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/SSHwithoutPasswords > >> > >>& this one > >> > >>http://dsg.port.ac.uk/~rjb/misc/howto/ssh/index.php > >> > >>The second one makes more sense if you've read the first one first :-) > >> > >>Brian > > > > I must be a complete moron, because even though I followed these latest > > how-to's to the letter, I'm still prompted for a password. What in the > > world am I doing wrong? > > If memory servers me correctly I had to ssh into the the box from the other > system once with a password then it sort of "kicked in" > > This is sort of what I did, server a ssh to server b > > server a logged in as root ssh-keygen -t dsa -b 4096 (just hit enter > for all the questions) server a chmod 0644 > ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub > > copy ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub from server a to server b into /root/.ssh if it's > root that yoiur using for the ID > > server b in /root/.ssh/ > cat id_dsa.pub >> authorized_keys > > > Sorry a little rough from notes > > Brian I did that - same result. I also added the line "DSAAuthorization yes" to sshd_config, restarted sshd - same result. This seems like it should be so easy. Extremely frustrating! -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Fri Nov 11 16:41:45 2005 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:41:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync help In-Reply-To: <1131723701.8383.4.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <200511110927.02490.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <1131723701.8383.4.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <200511111141.45498.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Friday November 11 2005 10:41 am, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 08:27, Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > > > http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/SSHwithoutPasswor > > >ds > > > > > > & this one > > > > > > http://dsg.port.ac.uk/~rjb/misc/howto/ssh/index.php > > > > > > The second one makes more sense if you've read the first one first :-) > > > > > > Brian > > > > I must be a complete moron, because even though I followed these latest > > how-to's to the letter, I'm still prompted for a password. What in the > > world am I doing wrong? > > First make sure that you are doing the setup and operation as the > same user. Ssh is very picky about $HOME/.ssh/* being owned by the right > person, having the correct permissions, and not having any directories > above writable by others. Try an 'ssh -v' with the same user(s) and > you may see a reason for the failure. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > Les, The v switch was helpful. Here's the output (sorry for the length): [rsync at norwell rsync]$ ssh -v hingham OpenSSH_3.6.1p2, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090701f debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug1: Applying options for * debug1: Rhosts Authentication disabled, originating port will not be trusted. debug1: Connecting to hingham [192.168.1.3] port 22. debug1: Connection established. debug1: identity file /home/rsync/.ssh/identity type -1 debug1: identity file /home/rsync/.ssh/id_rsa type 1 debug1: identity file /home/rsync/.ssh/id_dsa type 2 debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_3.6.1p2 debug1: match: OpenSSH_3.6.1p2 pat OpenSSH* debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0 debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.6.1p2 debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received debug1: kex: server->client aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none debug1: kex: client->server aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY debug1: Host 'hingham' is known and matches the RSA host key. debug1: Found key in /home/rsync/.ssh/known_hosts:1 debug1: ssh_rsa_verify: signature correct debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password,keyboard-interactive debug1: Next authentication method: publickey debug1: Trying private key: /home/rsync/.ssh/identity debug1: Offering public key: /home/rsync/.ssh/id_rsa debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password,keyboard-interactive debug1: Offering public key: /home/rsync/.ssh/id_dsa debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password,keyboard-interactive debug1: Next authentication method: keyboard-interactive debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password,keyboard-interactive debug1: Next authentication method: password rsync at hingham's password: I note that neither RSAAuthentication or DSAAuthentication appear (actually, I don't know if they're supposed to appear). I did add lines in sshd_config to enable them. Does this output give you any clues. Dimitri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Fri Nov 11 16:52:16 2005 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:52:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync help In-Reply-To: <1131723701.8383.4.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <200511110927.02490.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <1131723701.8383.4.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <200511111152.16415.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> As usual, I spoke too soon. I noticed that the file authorized keys had 664 premissions. When I changed this to 644, ran "ssh_agent $SHELL" and "ssh-add", and ssh'd to target, it worked as I'd hoped and expected, without a password prompt. Thanks to Brian and Les for their great help! Dimitri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From steve at sierra-computer.com Fri Nov 11 20:25:48 2005 From: steve at sierra-computer.com (Steve Knopik) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:25:48 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] verynice: Process measurement too slow error in log Message-ID: <4374FE4C.2070205@sierra-computer.com> Today all terminals locked up. I noticed the hard drive light on the server was on solid. I was unable to login to the server when directly connected to the server. This went on for about 15 - 20 min. Finally I was able to login to the server and I checked the logs to see what had just happened. I found the following message in the messages log file: Nov 11 09:59:31 Enterprise verynice: Process measurement too slow Nov 11 10:00:34 Enterprise verynice: Process measurement too slow Nov 11 10:00:42 Enterprise gdm[17795]: Ping to ws002.:0 failed, whacking display! Nov 11 10:01:15 Enterprise gconfd (julie-17923): Received signal 15, shutting down cleanly When the server finally settled down everything was back to normal. I noticed that Calvin Park had a similar experience back in January 2005. I didn't see a solution to his post on the list. Does anyone know what happened? Our server has been running great with about 135 days of uptime. Steve Knopik steve at sierra-computer.com From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 21:20:04 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:20:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Bell system In-Reply-To: <20051111141140.M89204@winonacotter.org> References: <20051109200615.M74622@winonacotter.org> <2044207352.1131620606@[10.2.36.194]> <20051110164636.M9768@winonacotter.org> <4373F0B4.5030009@gmail.com> <20051111141140.M89204@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <43750B04.8060100@gmail.com> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>*Please* tell me that you have it secured against unauthorized >>access. I know how much fun /I/ would have had with unrestricted >>access to the >>P.A. system. >> >> > >Everything is locked in a server room and network access is only available via >ssh and Webmin with passwords. > Now /there/ is a man who doesn't underestimate the ingenuity of his students. -- Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Nov 11 22:05:50 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:05:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Bell system In-Reply-To: <43750B04.8060100@gmail.com> References: <20051109200615.M74622@winonacotter.org> <2044207352.1131620606@[10.2.36.194]> <20051110164636.M9768@winonacotter.org> <4373F0B4.5030009@gmail.com> <20051111141140.M89204@winonacotter.org> <43750B04.8060100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051111220044.M28288@winonacotter.org> > Now /there/ is a man who doesn't underestimate the ingenuity of his > students. If they can hack the bell system, they can hack the mail server, web server, file server, password server, and the grades server. I don't underestimate anyone. This server like all others, emails me logs daily of all hack attempts and system events. And I don't run ssh on port 22 just to thwart more efforts. If they want into the PA system that badly they can bring an amp from home, disconnect a speaker on the wall, and inject their own microphone. I am more worried about the day a student gets into a wire room and rips hundreds of phone wires off of the wall. Or lights a cigarette or paper and triggers the sprinkler system on the servers. A bell system isn't exactly a gold mine. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Nov 12 00:35:55 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:35:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IBM PowerServer 750 Message-ID: <8C7B5382DA6B096-434-373D@mblkn-m19.sysops.aol.com> Hi, Two questions, is there a k12ltsp version for the IBM PowerServer 750 & does anyone have any experience with it ? thks norbert ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Nov 12 00:45:42 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:45:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow performance Message-ID: <8C7B5398B215AFA-434-3798@mblkn-m19.sysops.aol.com> Hi, OK here are the specs; Server Dual P-III 600 Mhz 2 GB memory 30 GB IDE drive 100 mb NICs Workstations (Clients) Compaq SFF P-III, 600 Mhz 512 MB 100 mb NIC Cable modem connected to a router with two 100mb switches Sub-net 1- Windows workstations x 3 Sub-net 2 - 10 Clients Clients have W2K loaded & get their IP address via the linux server These same clients also do a network boot to become thin clients on the linux network Software K12LTSP version 4.4 with all updates Problem Launching applications either on the client or the server is very slow, 24+ sec for a terminal window TOP shows a minimal load on the processors, max of 24% on one processor for the gnome desktop, 10 - 15% for X, but usually the load is at 2 - 3% Any ideas or suggestions is greatly appreciated. thks norbert ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com From veewee77 at alltel.net Sat Nov 12 00:47:32 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:47:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync help In-Reply-To: <200511110831.32591.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <200511110831.32591.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <43753BA4.5040008@alltel.net> You can just ut the username and password on the line, like this. . . rsync -e ssh -avz -o username=,password=password user at servera:/path/to/files/ user at serverb:/path/to/destination and would be valid for the account with the apropropriate rights. Doug Dimitri Yioulos wrote: >Good morning to all. > >I note at least some of you use rsync on a regular basis, and would appreciate >your help. > >Some background info.: both A and B run CentOS 3.5. SSH and rsync are >installed, and I created the user rsync, on both machines. > >I have a project in which I need to update files in a directory on server B >with the originals on server A. I have a script that accomplishes this using >rsync, and it works very well. However, I'm prompted for a password when >connecting to server B. As I want to cron the running of the script, I don't >want to be prompted for the password. > >I've read how-to's on using rsync, and believe that I must create an rsync >server on server B. I guess that entails creating an rsyncd.conf file, then >running rysnc as a daemon. Prior to that, however, it looks like I need to >create an rsa key pair on server A, then get the public key to server B. >I've done this. The how-to's go on to say that I should load the key into >memory with the "ssh-add" command. That doesn't work unless I use the >"ssh-agent $SHELL" first. I've done this, as well. However, when I try to >access server B with the "slogin" command, I'm still prompted for a password. > >I really need to set this up so that the script will run unattended. Your >help would be most appreciated. > >Thanks. > >Dimitri > > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Nov 12 03:00:24 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:00:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Slow performance In-Reply-To: <8C7B5398B215AFA-434-3798@mblkn-m19.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C7B5398B215AFA-434-3798@mblkn-m19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Hi, > > OK here are the specs; > > Server > Dual P-III 600 Mhz > 2 GB memory > 30 GB IDE drive ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Given the size of that drive, I assume it is an older parallel IDE model (PATA). PATA is HORRIBLE in a terminal server. Just say NO to PATA. I still recommend SCSI, but am softening up to Serial IDE (SATA). Over the last couple of days I've been doing benchmarks against a LSI Megaraid U320-1 SCSI controller with 6 72G 10K SCSI segate drives (~$150 each) in Raid 5 and LSI Megaraid 300-8x SATA controller with 6 400G 7.2k SATA segate drives (~$250) in Raid 5. The Megaraid 300-8x SATA controller with the optional battery backup (~$400 for the controller, $150 for the battery) is about on-par with the bare Megaraid U320-1 SCSI controller (~$200). Add the optional battery backup to the Megaraid U320-1 controller (~$100), and it is ~20-40% faster than the SATA controller/drives depending on the test. (adding the battery backup defaults each controller to a more aggressive write caching algorthm). Both cards use the same driver. The SATA performance quite impressive, considing the SCSI test system has smaller, higher RPM drives. The SCSI setup is slightly cheaper at $1,500 vs SATA's $2,000, but the storage capacity of the SATA setup is 4.5x greater. -Eric > 100 mb NICs > > Workstations (Clients) > Compaq SFF P-III, 600 Mhz > 512 MB > 100 mb NIC > > Cable modem connected to a router with two 100mb switches > > Sub-net 1- Windows workstations x 3 > Sub-net 2 - 10 Clients > Clients have W2K loaded & get their IP address via the linux server > These same clients also do a network boot to become thin clients on the linux > network > > Software > K12LTSP version 4.4 with all updates > > Problem > Launching applications either on the client or the server is very slow, 24+ > sec for a terminal window > > TOP shows a minimal load on the processors, max of 24% on one processor for > the gnome desktop, 10 - 15% for X, but usually the load is at 2 - 3% > > Any ideas or suggestions is greatly appreciated. > > thks > norbert From gumprechtm at msad3.org Sat Nov 12 12:52:40 2005 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 07:52:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow performance In-Reply-To: <8C7B5398B215AFA-434-3798@mblkn-m19.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C7B5398B215AFA-434-3798@mblkn-m19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4375E598.9040807@msad3.org> Try a vmstat 5 and check si and so. I believe that those are the swap in and swap out. If you are swapping to the drive, find more ram for it (if possible), swapping to the drive will KILL your performance. I had 5 clients running off of a 1.2 ghz with 2 gig of ram and an ata 100 drive ( can't remember size, it was to play with) and that was right on the edge. HTH Mark bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Hi, > OK here are the specs; > > Server > Dual P-III 600 Mhz > 2 GB memory > 30 GB IDE drive > 100 mb NICs > > Workstations (Clients) > Compaq SFF P-III, 600 Mhz > 512 MB > 100 mb NIC > > Cable modem connected to a router with two 100mb switches > > Sub-net 1- Windows workstations x 3 > Sub-net 2 - 10 Clients > Clients have W2K loaded & get their IP address via the linux server > These same clients also do a network boot to become thin clients on > the linux network > > Software > K12LTSP version 4.4 with all updates > > Problem > Launching applications either on the client or the server is very > slow, 24+ sec for a terminal window > > TOP shows a minimal load on the processors, max of 24% on one > processor for the gnome desktop, 10 - 15% for X, but usually the load > is at 2 - 3% > > Any ideas or suggestions is greatly appreciated. > > thks > norbert > ___________________________________________________ > Try the New Netscape Mail Today! > Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List > http://mail.netscape.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From accessys at smart.net Sat Nov 12 13:22:19 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:22:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] making a live CD...? In-Reply-To: References: <200511110831.32591.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, Joseph Bishay wrote: > One way I found to rip a CD is by using the command readcd. You'll > need to know the CD-rom device address (which you can get by running > the command 'cdrecord -scanbus' and looking for the 0,0,1 or whatever duh, for some reason my computer only reads the "non working" CD the working one is un read even though I have burned CD's with it today > it is for you. Then issue the command 'readcd dev=0,0,1 > f=filename.iso' and that will create the CD image which you can then > burn using X-roast. did dd an iso image but I still can't get the X-CD-Roast to burn a bootable copy, all 650mb of data gets onto the cD but it won't boot... I know I'm doing something dumb here but can't figure out what it is. was easy when it was just "Clone" the CD but my second read only CD drive decided to fail on me, considering how much time I've wasted it would have been easier to stuff in another CD drive...but now I've gotten "determined" that I'm gonna make this work...and the internet has been no help what so ever Thanks Bob > > Joseph > > On 11/11/05, Access Systems wrote: > > > > I must be getting senile or something because I know I have done this > > before but I'm getting a blank and can't find what I need on the > > internet.. > > > > I have a working live CD... (simply Meapis) that I would like to make > > copies of to give to the folks...I only have one working CD burner at the > > moment so I can't write on the fly, besides I'd like it on my hard drive > > to make copies as needed. > > > > using X-CD-Roast how do I get this iso image onto my drive and then > > burned onto disks....forgive the basic lesson but I have already made > > several non functioning disks and I have one or two people I've convinced > > to try linux but they are getting suspicious when I can't even burn a CD > > for them....... > > > > thanks > > Bob > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > > safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net > > NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers > > NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right > > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > > THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be > > privileged. 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 20:15:01 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:15:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] verynice won't control python Message-ID: <9bd317560511121215y74e479adn4ff859092bbd8930@mail.gmail.com> I have bad situation involving Childsplay. In particular, when the game top row, 5th from the left is played, the cpu usage for that users python process goes up to about 90%. I added this to verynice.conf and restarted verynice: hungryexe "/usr/bin/childsplay" hungryexe "/usr/bin/python" It has no effect on python. What's going on here, do you know? Thanks, Peter From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 13 00:59:39 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:59:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] making a live CD...? In-Reply-To: <1131724006.8383.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20051113005939.81488.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A couple others that I use in Ubuntu are Graveman and Gnome-baker. Maybe these are available in your repositories. K3B is also great. It will automatically save the iso to the hard drive and prompt you to switch cd's. Same goes for Gnome-baker, and Graveman too, I think. -Rob --- Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 07:41, Access Systems wrote: > > > using X-CD-Roast how do I get this iso image onto > my drive and then > > burned onto disks....forgive the basic lesson but > I have already made > > several non functioning disks and I have one or > two people I've convinced > > to try linux but they are getting suspicious when > I can't even burn a CD > > for them....... > > Try k3b instead - it is a much nicer interface. > Click 'copy cd' on the > first screen and fill in the form - the defaults > will probably be right. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From patmo98 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 13 05:54:04 2005 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:54:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync help In-Reply-To: <43753BA4.5040008@alltel.net> References: <200511110831.32591.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <43753BA4.5040008@alltel.net> Message-ID: <4376D4FC.40403@yahoo.com> Doug Simpson wrote: > You can just ut the username and password on the line, like this. . . > > rsync -e ssh -avz -o username=,password=password > user at servera:/path/to/files/ user at serverb:/path/to/destination > > and would be valid for the account with the > apropropriate rights. > > Doug > If you do that, anyone who runs "ps ax" while it is being run will see your password. You probably know that, but better safe than sorry. -Patrick. From h.pillay at ieee.org Sun Nov 13 06:00:58 2005 From: h.pillay at ieee.org (Harish Pillay) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:00:58 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] making a live CD...? In-Reply-To: <20051113005939.81488.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1131724006.8383.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051113005939.81488.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I was looking at the k12ltsp site and I was not able to find any guidance on the following, so I will do my bit to help document it. > using X-CD-Roast how do I get this iso image onto > my drive and then burned onto disks....forgive the > basic lesson but I have already made several non > functioning disks and I have one or two people I've > convinced to try linux but they are getting suspicious > when I can't even burn a CD for them....... May I suggest that before actually buring the CD from the ISO image, you do the following: a) check the md5 of the image to ensure that the copy is correct. MD5 (message digest 5) is based on the RFC 1321 - http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1321.html. On a Linux machine, from the commandline, run: md5sum -c filename.iso.md5 the filename.iso.md5 is or a file that contains the md5 of the iso is generally on the download site. The md5 is a mathematical computation of the "signature" of the file which should match what it is on the download site. For example, at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.1/iso/ you will see a file: MD5SUMS ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.1/iso/MD5SUMS That file has the following: 184719032fdee80af3049d93cee2e720 K12LTSP-4.4.1-disc1.iso 1cde79aa252f16db5c75d7542ed19fdd K12LTSP-4.4.1-disc2.iso 9c445da80306078acb53026564027d1c K12LTSP-4.4.1-disc3.iso c56765b41fc48eb3a7020e71af61aead K12LTSP-4.4.1-disc4.iso ad85496d8dd27cc18fe576571f822f23 K12LTSP-4.4.1-disc5.iso So, if you dowloaded K12LTSP-4.4.1-disc1.iso, you can test if the md5sum of that file is OK. First, you must make sure that the ISO is in the same directory as the MD5SUMS file is residing and you then run: md5sum -c MD5SUMS The md5sum command will go through all the entries in the file MD5SUMS and compute the md5sums of the respective filenames mentioned and compare. If the comparision check out, you are pretty much sure that the download was successful. b) After download, you might want, on a Linux machine, run the ISO within a qemu session. For example, you can invoke the iso as such: qemu -cdrom filename.iso the '-cdrom' is the flag sent to qemu to tell it to expect a cdrom image. In this case, the filename.iso is a cdrom image. Naturally, you can also use qemu to run an actual cdrom via: qemu -cdrom /dev/hdc where /dev/hdc happens to be the physical cdrom. This method is especially useful for live CDs because you are expected to run everything off the CD and before you cut the CD, it is very helpful to have it checked first. Using qemu has saved me a lot of grief and reduced to zero the waste in bad cdroms. Naturally, you can test non live CDs as well but you cannot go far with qemu unless you intend to install the CD in a qemu environment. QEMU is a system similar to VMware. c) If you are using Linux, you can initiate the download of large files using wget or curl. With wget, do the following: wget -c -b ftp://somesite.somewhere.org/pub/filename.iso what happens is that a log file gets created called wget-log (or wget-log.N where N is 1, 2 ... in case there is already a wget-log in the directory where the wget is being executed from). You can watch the download progress by using tail: tail -f wget-log (or whatever the wget-log.N is). The nice thing about this is that should the download fail and you have already downloaded a bunch, you can resume from where you stopped. Saved me a lot of time. You just redo the wget command from the same directory as where the partial download was and you can save the work done. Hope this helps. -- Harish Pillay Singapore From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 17:45:58 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:45:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] lightweight file manager with good thumbnails Message-ID: <9bd317560511130945j5b458e22s24945f292173c26@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, I've been looking around for a lightweight file manager than nautilus that has has good thumbnail support. I tried xfe but it completely locks up when you use thumbnail view with hi-res pictures. Is there a way to integrate gthumb into a file manager. Is there maybe a file manager that has a button to launch gthumb using the current folder? Any recommendations? Thanks, Peter From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 13 18:03:13 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:03:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] lightweight file manager with good thumbnails In-Reply-To: <9bd317560511130945j5b458e22s24945f292173c26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051113180314.40625.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I like using ROX filer. It's very quick. You have to set the run action for each file type, so that when you click on a file, it knows what to open it with. (You can also right-click and choose "open with...") Anyway, mine is set to open all jpeg's with GQview, which I find to be a nice, fast picture viewer. -Rob --- Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey all, > I've been looking around for a lightweight file > manager than nautilus > that has has good thumbnail support. I tried xfe > but it completely > locks up when you use thumbnail view with hi-res > pictures. Is there a > way to integrate gthumb into a file manager. Is > there maybe a file > manager that has a button to launch gthumb using the > current folder? > Any recommendations? > > Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 13 18:07:32 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:07:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP live cd success, sort of Message-ID: <20051113180732.27365.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My hard drive at home crashed, so in the meantime I'm running my computer off the Ubuntu Breezy Badger Live CD. Using Synaptic, I installed the LTSP packages into RAM. I had to do a bunch of configuring, but the end result is that I am running LTSP off of a live cd. It is very slow to open applications, but once they're open they seem to work at normal speed. For instance, I can use Rhythmbox to play music on the thin client in my living room (luckily all my music was on a separate hard drive). -Rob __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 13 18:14:25 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:14:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu / Muekow question Message-ID: <20051113181425.1267.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> First of all, what would be the proper list to join to offer feedback/suggestions based on my experience using Ubuntu Breezy Badger with LTSP? Do I get on an Ubuntu list, or an LTSP list, or both? Second, I'm a little unsure if I did the installation right. Am I still supposed to be using the ltspadmin program after I install the LTSP packages with Synaptic? That's what I did, but doing it this way seemed not much different than installing it the "old fashioned way". Maybe Muekow makes things a lot different behind the scenes, but from my perspective the only thing different on my latest install was that when I installed the LTSP packages, Synaptic told me what the dependencies were (nfs, dhcp, etc) and automatically started some of those services. -Rob __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Sun Nov 13 19:22:39 2005 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:22:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] lightweight file manager with good thumbnails In-Reply-To: <20051113180314.40625.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <9bd317560511130945j5b458e22s24945f292173c26@mail.gmail.com> <20051113180314.40625.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051113142239.7431502d@localhost.localdomain> And ROX allows for thumbnail of images right inside the file browser :-) On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:03:13 -0800 (PST) Rob Owens wrote: > I like using ROX filer. It's very quick. You have to > set the run action for each file type, so that when > you click on a file, it knows what to open it with. > (You can also right-click and choose "open with...") > Anyway, mine is set to open all jpeg's with GQview, > which I find to be a nice, fast picture viewer. > > -Rob > > --- Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > Hey all, > > I've been looking around for a lightweight file > > manager than nautilus > > that has has good thumbnail support. I tried xfe > > but it completely > > locks up when you use thumbnail view with hi-res > > pictures. Is there a > > way to integrate gthumb into a file manager. Is > > there maybe a file > > manager that has a button to launch gthumb using the > > current folder? > > Any recommendations? > > > > Thanks, > > Peter > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ***************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 20:45:23 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:45:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] lightweight file manager with good thumbnails In-Reply-To: <20051113142239.7431502d@localhost.localdomain> References: <9bd317560511130945j5b458e22s24945f292173c26@mail.gmail.com> <20051113180314.40625.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20051113142239.7431502d@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9bd317560511131245o65dce214w3819009aec23a4ab@mail.gmail.com> Are you both just using the filer or the whole rox package with desktop? I forget, when you default to Icewm is the desktop provided by some part of Gnome or is it nautilus? Is there a way to keep that desktop and use rox filer? I know the desktop is part of the performance problem but It would be nice if I could make transitions gradually. Besides I need to know how to add Icons on a group basis 'out of the gate' so to speak. Thanks, Peter On 11/13/05, Gentgeen wrote: > > > And ROX allows for thumbnail of images right inside the file browser :-) > > > > > On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:03:13 -0800 (PST) > Rob Owens wrote: > > > I like using ROX filer. It's very quick. You have to > > set the run action for each file type, so that when > > you click on a file, it knows what to open it with. > > (You can also right-click and choose "open with...") > > Anyway, mine is set to open all jpeg's with GQview, > > which I find to be a nice, fast picture viewer. > > > > -Rob > > > > --- Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > > > Hey all, > > > I've been looking around for a lightweight file > > > manager than nautilus > > > that has has good thumbnail support. I tried xfe > > > but it completely > > > locks up when you use thumbnail view with hi-res > > > pictures. Is there a > > > way to integrate gthumb into a file manager. Is > > > there maybe a file > > > manager that has a button to launch gthumb using the > > > current folder? > > > Any recommendations? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Peter > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > -- > ***************************************************************** > Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem > your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad > company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 21:05:21 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:05:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] lightweight file manager with good thumbnails In-Reply-To: <9bd317560511130945j5b458e22s24945f292173c26@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560511130945j5b458e22s24945f292173c26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4377AA91.6080707@gmail.com> Peter Hartman wrote: >Hey all, >I've been looking around for a lightweight file manager than nautilus >that has has good thumbnail support. I tried xfe but it completely >locks up when you use thumbnail view with hi-res pictures. Is there a >way to integrate gthumb into a file manager. Is there maybe a file >manager that has a button to launch gthumb using the current folder? >Any recommendations? > >Thanks, >Peter > > I haven't had time to check it out, but NDN (http://ndn.muxe.com/) now has a Linux version. I've used the DOS/Windows versions for /years/ and consider them absolute necessities for any admin. Think 'Midnight Commander on steroids'. It is strictly a text-mode program, but it can easily launch any program you want (four different ways - two types of launching, plus edit & view) for a given file type. -- Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Nov 13 22:54:45 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:54:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu / Muekow question In-Reply-To: <20051113181425.1267.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051113181425.1267.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > First of all, what would be the proper list to join to > offer feedback/suggestions based on my experience > using Ubuntu Breezy Badger with LTSP? Do I get on an > Ubuntu list, or an LTSP list, or both? As for asking questions and seeking help, there is a lot of cross-over between the two communities. Pick either or both, whatever works for you ;-) But if you are specifically seeking to offer feedback & suggestions on Ubuntu, it would be best to do that within Ubuntu's prefered mechanisms. Here is a link on how to provide feedback within the Ubuntu community: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/participate#feedback > Second, I'm a little unsure if I did the installation > right. Am I still supposed to be using the ltspadmin > program after I install the LTSP packages with > Synaptic? That's what I did, but doing it this way > seemed not much different than installing it the "old > fashioned way". Maybe Muekow makes things a lot > different behind the scenes, but from my perspective > the only thing different on my latest install was that > when I installed the LTSP packages, Synaptic told me > what the dependencies were (nfs, dhcp, etc) and > automatically started some of those services. > > -Rob Here are the docs you are looking for... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Nov 14 00:39:05 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:39:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] verynice won't control python In-Reply-To: <9bd317560511121215y74e479adn4ff859092bbd8930@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560511121215y74e479adn4ff859092bbd8930@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I have bad situation involving Childsplay. In particular, when the > game top row, 5th from the left is played, the cpu usage for that > users python process goes up to about 90%. I added this to > verynice.conf and restarted verynice: > > hungryexe "/usr/bin/childsplay" > hungryexe "/usr/bin/python" > > It has no effect on python. What's going on here, do you know? > > Thanks, > Peter I don't see the same problem on my server. But here are a few things to try: 1) If you want childsplay to always run "nice", edit the script /usr/bin/childsplay and change it from: python /usr/lib/childsplay/childsplay.py $* & to: nice python /usr/lib/childsplay/childsplay.py $* & 2) Try out the latest version of childsplay, which I'm getting ready to add to the next minor release of K12LTSP: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/childsplay-0.81.1-1.k12ltsp.4.4.2.noarch.rpm 3) It may make a difference if your verynice.conf has "python" rather than "/usr/bin/python", and you probably want it as a "badexe" rather than "hungryexe": badexe "python" -Eric From genfil at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 03:05:05 2005 From: genfil at gmail.com (Jean Phil) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:05:05 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Noia 2.0 as default theme. Message-ID: I really like Noia 2.0 theme for firefox. Is it possible to make this the default theme for all users? From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 04:04:11 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:04:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] verynice won't control python In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560511121215y74e479adn4ff859092bbd8930@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560511132004p2806e5c8g4b46dd0f74c67343@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for getting back to me. Unfortunately, none of that worked. I have a feeling this has to do with the convoluted way that I got this working. When I install childsplay and pygame with yum everything looks good but it won't actually run. Running from the command line I get this: [admin at k12linux ~]$ /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/pygame/base.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Childsplay depends on pygame. You must first install the pygame package. Due to the fact that this package has some tricky dependencies, you better install the one that came with your distribution. Mind you it's there and base.so has no permissions problems. So, I installed pygame from source, picked up it's x86_64 deps and installed your RPM with -nodeps since it wouldn't see pygame in lib64. Pygame is now in /usr/lib64/python2.3/site-packages/. I tried installing childsplay from source but I only get two of the games. One of which is the cpu offenders and it remains to be so. I bet if I use your k12 pygame and childsplay the cpu problem will go away. Why is it that they aren't working together for me? Any help you could give would be great. The kids freakin' LOVE this game. Thanks, Peter On 11/13/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > I have bad situation involving Childsplay. In particular, when the > > game top row, 5th from the left is played, the cpu usage for that > > users python process goes up to about 90%. I added this to > > verynice.conf and restarted verynice: > > > > hungryexe "/usr/bin/childsplay" > > hungryexe "/usr/bin/python" > > > > It has no effect on python. What's going on here, do you know? > > > > Thanks, > > Peter > > I don't see the same problem on my server. But here are > a few things to try: > > 1) If you want childsplay to always run "nice", edit the > script /usr/bin/childsplay and change it from: > > python /usr/lib/childsplay/childsplay.py $* & > > to: > > nice python /usr/lib/childsplay/childsplay.py $* & > > > 2) Try out the latest version of childsplay, which I'm > getting ready to add to the next minor release of K12LTSP: > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/childsplay-0.81.1-1.k12ltsp.4.4.2.noarch.rpm > > 3) It may make a difference if your verynice.conf has > "python" rather than "/usr/bin/python", and you probably > want it as a "badexe" rather than "hungryexe": > > badexe "python" > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Nov 14 04:32:23 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:32:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] verynice won't control python In-Reply-To: <9bd317560511132004p2806e5c8g4b46dd0f74c67343@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560511121215y74e479adn4ff859092bbd8930@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560511132004p2806e5c8g4b46dd0f74c67343@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Thanks for getting back to me. Unfortunately, none of that worked. I > have a feeling this has to do with the convoluted way that I got this > working. When I install childsplay and pygame with yum everything > looks good but it won't actually run. Running from the command line I > get this: > > [admin at k12linux ~]$ /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/pygame/base.so: > cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory > > Childsplay depends on pygame. > > You must first install the pygame package. > Due to the fact that this package has some tricky > dependencies, you better install the one that came with your distribution. > > Mind you it's there and base.so has no permissions problems. So, I > installed pygame from source, picked up it's x86_64 deps and installed > your RPM with -nodeps since it wouldn't see pygame in lib64. Pygame > is now in /usr/lib64/python2.3/site-packages/. I tried installing > childsplay from source but I only get two of the games. One of which > is the cpu offenders and it remains to be so. I bet if I use your k12 > pygame and childsplay the cpu problem will go away. Why is it that > they aren't working together for me? Any help you could give would be > great. The kids freakin' LOVE this game. I see that you are running it on a x86_64 box. I did my testing on a i386 box. Note that my childsplay RPM contains both childsplay and the childsplay plugins. If you install from source, be sure to install both. For what is worth, I'm working on full x86_64 builds of K12LTSP, including ISOs. I'm not sure when they will be ready, but it will be at least a couple of weeks. -Eric > On 11/13/05, Eric Harrison wrote: >> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: >> >>> I have bad situation involving Childsplay. In particular, when the >>> game top row, 5th from the left is played, the cpu usage for that >>> users python process goes up to about 90%. I added this to >>> verynice.conf and restarted verynice: >>> >>> hungryexe "/usr/bin/childsplay" >>> hungryexe "/usr/bin/python" >>> >>> It has no effect on python. What's going on here, do you know? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Peter >> >> I don't see the same problem on my server. But here are >> a few things to try: >> >> 1) If you want childsplay to always run "nice", edit the >> script /usr/bin/childsplay and change it from: >> >> python /usr/lib/childsplay/childsplay.py $* & >> >> to: >> >> nice python /usr/lib/childsplay/childsplay.py $* & >> >> >> 2) Try out the latest version of childsplay, which I'm >> getting ready to add to the next minor release of K12LTSP: >> >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/childsplay-0.81.1-1.k12ltsp.4.4.2.noarch.rpm >> >> 3) It may make a difference if your verynice.conf has >> "python" rather than "/usr/bin/python", and you probably >> want it as a "badexe" rather than "hungryexe": >> >> badexe "python" >> >> -Eric >> From kmgrant at actaccess.net Mon Nov 14 06:05:15 2005 From: kmgrant at actaccess.net (Ken Grant) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:05:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DansGuardian failing to start Message-ID: <20051113230515.6d6a42e1@localhost> Hi All: This evening I installed DansGuardian-2.6 and everything was going fine. I edited some files - mostly banded content files - went to restart dansguardian and now I keep getting "no DansGuardian process found" error. I running K12LTSP 4.1 and installed the Fedora Core 1 rpms for Dansguardian. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Ken From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 14 11:09:30 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:09:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] lightweight file manager with good thumbnails In-Reply-To: <9bd317560511131245o65dce214w3819009aec23a4ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051114110930.98544.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've never used the rox desktop, only rox filer. IceWM's default is a blank desktop w/ no support for icons on the desktop (a toolbar is included, though). I believe that the default setup in K12LTSP is for IceWM to use Nautilus to provide icons on the desktop, but I think that can be changed. Sorry I can't be too much help here--my experience with IceWM is mainly on a non-K12LTSP machine. The toolbar in IceWM is very easy to "bulk-configure". It's a simple text file, which you could distribute to students' home directories based on their group if you wanted to. I personally don't see any need for icons on the desktop, but it is one of those things that people coming from Windows think they "need" (myself included, a couple years ago). Now I think the toolbar is much better because I can put tons of applications on it and it never gets covered up by a window. The only problem is that it's not easily modifiable by your average point-and-clicker -- but maybe you don't want them to modify it anyway. -Rob --- Peter Hartmann wrote: > Are you both just using the filer or the whole rox > package with > desktop? I forget, when you default to Icewm is the > desktop provided > by some part of Gnome or is it nautilus? Is there a > way to keep that > desktop and use rox filer? I know the desktop is > part of the > performance problem but It would be nice if I could > make transitions > gradually. Besides I need to know how to add Icons > on a group basis > 'out of the gate' so to speak. > > > Thanks, > Peter > > On 11/13/05, Gentgeen > wrote: > > > > > > And ROX allows for thumbnail of images right > inside the file browser :-) > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:03:13 -0800 (PST) > > Rob Owens wrote: > > > > > I like using ROX filer. It's very quick. You > have to > > > set the run action for each file type, so that > when > > > you click on a file, it knows what to open it > with. > > > (You can also right-click and choose "open > with...") > > > Anyway, mine is set to open all jpeg's with > GQview, > > > which I find to be a nice, fast picture viewer. > > > > > > -Rob > > > > > > --- Peter Hartmann > wrote: > > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > I've been looking around for a lightweight > file > > > > manager than nautilus > > > > that has has good thumbnail support. I tried > xfe > > > > but it completely > > > > locks up when you use thumbnail view with > hi-res > > > > pictures. Is there a > > > > way to integrate gthumb into a file manager. > Is > > > > there maybe a file > > > > manager that has a button to launch gthumb > using the > > > > current folder? > > > > Any recommendations? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home > page! > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > > > ***************************************************************** > > Associate yourself with men of good quality if > you esteem > > your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone > then in bad > > company. - George Washington, Rules of > Civility > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Nov 14 14:19:42 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:19:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Simplest way to sync users between linux boxes Message-ID: <20051114141658.M62524@winonacotter.org> Could I get some feedback and what everyone thinks is the simplest way to sync users between linux server? I know how to use SMB/LDAP but I don't think this will always be the easiest solution. For now I would like to learn the easiest way to sync say 600 local unix users and groups from one server with that on another. Ideas? I see webmin has some modules that look like they should do the trick, thoughts? Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From mpribik at zoznam.sk Mon Nov 14 14:54:38 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:54:38 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] DansGuardian failing to start References: <20051113230515.6d6a42e1@localhost> Message-ID: <001d01c5e92b$56955560$0100a8c0@Marian> Most probably you made an error in the last configured files. Check it ones more! Marian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Grant" To: Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 7:05 AM Subject: [K12OSN] DansGuardian failing to start > Hi All: > > This evening I installed DansGuardian-2.6 and everything was going fine. > I edited some files - mostly banded content files - went to restart > dansguardian and now I keep getting "no DansGuardian process found" > error. > > I running K12LTSP 4.1 and installed the Fedora Core 1 rpms for > Dansguardian. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > Ken > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 15:41:27 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:41:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] verynice won't control python In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560511121215y74e479adn4ff859092bbd8930@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560511132004p2806e5c8g4b46dd0f74c67343@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560511140741t7fbbdac7n598e63eead2e0043@mail.gmail.com> > Note that my childsplay RPM contains both childsplay and the > childsplay plugins. If you install from source, be sure to > install both. Thanks, I had forgotten that. But I already know that the problem persists when using source. > For what is worth, I'm working on full x86_64 builds of K12LTSP, > including ISOs. That's music to my ears! Until then do you think I need verynice x86_64 to get this under control? Would I mess up our system if I tried it? Thanks, Peter On 11/13/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > Thanks for getting back to me. Unfortunately, none of that worked. I > > have a feeling this has to do with the convoluted way that I got this > > working. When I install childsplay and pygame with yum everything > > looks good but it won't actually run. Running from the command line I > > get this: > > > > [admin at k12linux ~]$ /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/pygame/base.so: > > cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory > > > > Childsplay depends on pygame. > > > > You must first install the pygame package. > > Due to the fact that this package has some tricky > > dependencies, you better install the one that came with your distribution. > > > > Mind you it's there and base.so has no permissions problems. So, I > > installed pygame from source, picked up it's x86_64 deps and installed > > your RPM with -nodeps since it wouldn't see pygame in lib64. Pygame > > is now in /usr/lib64/python2.3/site-packages/. I tried installing > > childsplay from source but I only get two of the games. One of which > > is the cpu offenders and it remains to be so. I bet if I use your k12 > > pygame and childsplay the cpu problem will go away. Why is it that > > they aren't working together for me? Any help you could give would be > > great. The kids freakin' LOVE this game. > > > I see that you are running it on a x86_64 box. I did my testing on a > i386 box. > > Note that my childsplay RPM contains both childsplay and the > childsplay plugins. If you install from source, be sure to > install both. > > For what is worth, I'm working on full x86_64 builds of K12LTSP, > including ISOs. I'm not sure when they will be ready, but it will > be at least a couple of weeks. > > -Eric > > > > > On 11/13/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > >> > >>> I have bad situation involving Childsplay. In particular, when the > >>> game top row, 5th from the left is played, the cpu usage for that > >>> users python process goes up to about 90%. I added this to > >>> verynice.conf and restarted verynice: > >>> > >>> hungryexe "/usr/bin/childsplay" > >>> hungryexe "/usr/bin/python" > >>> > >>> It has no effect on python. What's going on here, do you know? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Peter > >> > >> I don't see the same problem on my server. But here are > >> a few things to try: > >> > >> 1) If you want childsplay to always run "nice", edit the > >> script /usr/bin/childsplay and change it from: > >> > >> python /usr/lib/childsplay/childsplay.py $* & > >> > >> to: > >> > >> nice python /usr/lib/childsplay/childsplay.py $* & > >> > >> > >> 2) Try out the latest version of childsplay, which I'm > >> getting ready to add to the next minor release of K12LTSP: > >> > >> > >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/childsplay-0.81.1-1.k12ltsp.4.4.2.noarch.rpm > >> > >> 3) It may make a difference if your verynice.conf has > >> "python" rather than "/usr/bin/python", and you probably > >> want it as a "badexe" rather than "hungryexe": > >> > >> badexe "python" > >> > >> -Eric > >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Nov 14 15:51:27 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:51:27 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Simplest way to sync users between linux boxes In-Reply-To: <20051114141658.M62524@winonacotter.org> References: <20051114141658.M62524@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4378B27F.7070203@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Could I get some feedback and what everyone thinks is the simplest way to sync > users between linux server? I know how to use SMB/LDAP but I don't think this > will always be the easiest solution. > > For now I would like to learn the easiest way to sync say 600 local unix users > and groups from one server with that on another. > > Ideas? > > I see webmin has some modules that look like they should do the trick, thoughts? > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > Do you mean just the login details (username / passwords) or the homes dir's as well ?? Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From sbarar at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 15:52:10 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:22:10 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Strange OO-calc behaviour Message-ID: <774593a20511140752q261263f1j783d03fc6624d93e@mail.gmail.com> Under k12LTSP 4.2 when I launch a spreadsheet from the start>office>calcmenu and then open it from file>open menu the file is opened and recognised properly. But when I click on the same file from nautilus it opens in OO-calc but is recognised as untitled file!! and I have to use file>save as menu to save any changes. Any one else seen this? OO-writer and impress work properly both ways. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Nov 14 16:08:57 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:08:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Simplest way to sync users between linux boxes In-Reply-To: <4378B27F.7070203@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <20051114141658.M62524@winonacotter.org> <4378B27F.7070203@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20051114160136.M31585@winonacotter.org> > Do you mean just the login details (username / passwords) or the > homes dir's as well ?? Both. I have never messed with the webmin cluster modules before. Now I have. This morning I added the K12LTSP server to the managed server list. Then I syncronized the users between servers. Seems to have worked very slick. I exported /home via NFS to the K12LTSP server from the file server. Then mounted /home via NFS from the K12LTSP server and set it to remount on login every time. Now I have a problem when logging in. All of the desktop settings are from the other box. Things get a little stupid now when I log in. Users do not login to the file server, and will only log in to the ltsp server. What is the best way to fix the user settings? Do I just do a search for all files under /home that start with .g? Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 18:09:43 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:09:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] verynice won't control python In-Reply-To: <9bd317560511140741t7fbbdac7n598e63eead2e0043@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560511121215y74e479adn4ff859092bbd8930@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560511132004p2806e5c8g4b46dd0f74c67343@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560511140741t7fbbdac7n598e63eead2e0043@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560511141009o12772254i80a5c957400b769@mail.gmail.com> Until then do you think I need verynice > x86_64 to get this under control? I tried it already. It didn't help. :( On 11/14/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Note that my childsplay RPM contains both childsplay and the > > childsplay plugins. If you install from source, be sure to > > install both. > > Thanks, I had forgotten that. But I already know that the problem > persists when using source. > > > For what is worth, I'm working on full x86_64 builds of K12LTSP, > > including ISOs. > > That's music to my ears! Until then do you think I need verynice > x86_64 to get this under control? Would I mess up our system if I > tried it? > > > Thanks, > Peter > > > > > On 11/13/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > > > Thanks for getting back to me. Unfortunately, none of that worked. I > > > have a feeling this has to do with the convoluted way that I got this > > > working. When I install childsplay and pygame with yum everything > > > looks good but it won't actually run. Running from the command line I > > > get this: > > > > > > [admin at k12linux ~]$ /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/pygame/base.so: > > > cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory > > > > > > Childsplay depends on pygame. > > > > > > You must first install the pygame package. > > > Due to the fact that this package has some tricky > > > dependencies, you better install the one that came with your distribution. > > > > > > Mind you it's there and base.so has no permissions problems. So, I > > > installed pygame from source, picked up it's x86_64 deps and installed > > > your RPM with -nodeps since it wouldn't see pygame in lib64. Pygame > > > is now in /usr/lib64/python2.3/site-packages/. I tried installing > > > childsplay from source but I only get two of the games. One of which > > > is the cpu offenders and it remains to be so. I bet if I use your k12 > > > pygame and childsplay the cpu problem will go away. Why is it that > > > they aren't working together for me? Any help you could give would be > > > great. The kids freakin' LOVE this game. > > > > > > I see that you are running it on a x86_64 box. I did my testing on a > > i386 box. > > > > Note that my childsplay RPM contains both childsplay and the > > childsplay plugins. If you install from source, be sure to > > install both. > > > > For what is worth, I'm working on full x86_64 builds of K12LTSP, > > including ISOs. I'm not sure when they will be ready, but it will > > be at least a couple of weeks. > > > > -Eric > > > > > > > > > On 11/13/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > >> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > >> > > >>> I have bad situation involving Childsplay. In particular, when the > > >>> game top row, 5th from the left is played, the cpu usage for that > > >>> users python process goes up to about 90%. I added this to > > >>> verynice.conf and restarted verynice: > > >>> > > >>> hungryexe "/usr/bin/childsplay" > > >>> hungryexe "/usr/bin/python" > > >>> > > >>> It has no effect on python. What's going on here, do you know? > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> Peter > > >> > > >> I don't see the same problem on my server. But here are > > >> a few things to try: > > >> > > >> 1) If you want childsplay to always run "nice", edit the > > >> script /usr/bin/childsplay and change it from: > > >> > > >> python /usr/lib/childsplay/childsplay.py $* & > > >> > > >> to: > > >> > > >> nice python /usr/lib/childsplay/childsplay.py $* & > > >> > > >> > > >> 2) Try out the latest version of childsplay, which I'm > > >> getting ready to add to the next minor release of K12LTSP: > > >> > > >> > > >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/childsplay-0.81.1-1.k12ltsp.4.4.2.noarch.rpm > > >> > > >> 3) It may make a difference if your verynice.conf has > > >> "python" rather than "/usr/bin/python", and you probably > > >> want it as a "badexe" rather than "hungryexe": > > >> > > >> badexe "python" > > >> > > >> -Eric > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From kris23 at poczta.fm Mon Nov 14 20:19:53 2005 From: kris23 at poczta.fm (Futrzak) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:19:53 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP VNC Server (on client) References: <20051110104744.10283EB31D@poczta.interia.pl> <4373C61D.50200@trinityschool.org.uk> Message-ID: <000c01c5e958$ca87abd0$3d3b153e@futrzak> > I use it on FC3 all the time to view student desktops > You can use the command > Are you using all-time viewing? What software are you using to view all clients at once? I find a problem in resizing vncviewer window to fit more session previews. There is a software called VNCON that allows it but it's only for MS Windows. Is there something like that for Linux? kris23 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- INTERIA.PL | Kliknij po wiecej >>> http://link.interia.pl/f18c1 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 20:30:38 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:30:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] disallowing multiple instances within a certian period. Message-ID: <9bd317560511141230n1492b60fxf73caa167e9e27ea@mail.gmail.com> Is there a way to disallow multiple instances within a certain period? Say 10 seconds? This would be SO useful to us and I imagine others as well (especially for the apps that take a long time to load.) If there isn't already this functionality in Linux then I guess there could this be done by a daemon? All the worst offending programs would have to be run [daemon] [program]. Then daemon checks to see if the user has executed the app in the period of time set by the user. Does such a thing exist? Thanks, Peter From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Nov 14 20:07:50 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:07:50 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP VNC Server (on client) Message-ID: <200511142213.jAEMD9Y22752@downeast.net> with X11vnc i use -scale .4 to make little tiny desktops..so ican have 8 or so at once..more if you have Really great eyes..chuck> > > I use it on FC3 all the time to view student desktops > > You can use the command > > > > Are you using all-time viewing? What software are you using to view all > clients at once? I find a problem in resizing vncviewer window to fit more > session previews. There is a software called VNCON that allows it but it's > only for MS Windows. Is there something like that for Linux? > > kris23 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > INTERIA.PL | Kliknij po wiecej >>> http://link.interia.pl/f18c1 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Nov 14 23:49:44 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:49:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FYI: new k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us server Message-ID: <43792298.4050706@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> FYI, I moved k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us to a shiny new server today. The transition from the old server to the new should be transparent. But just to be on the safe side, if you have troubles with yum/apt/up2date and/or downloading ISOs via ftp/http/rsync, please drop me an email. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Tue Nov 15 01:19:17 2005 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:19:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] lightweight file manager with good thumbnails In-Reply-To: <9bd317560511131245o65dce214w3819009aec23a4ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560511130945j5b458e22s24945f292173c26@mail.gmail.com> <20051113180314.40625.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20051113142239.7431502d@localhost.localdomain> <9bd317560511131245o65dce214w3819009aec23a4ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051114201917.6e57d00d@localhost.localdomain> The rox file manager has the 'desktop icons' built in as part of it. You start it with 'rox --pinboard=XXXX' where XXXX is the name of the pinboard you want to use. (SO I could have --pinboard=play and --pinboard=work if I wanted to have 2 different sets of desktop icons) My wife and kids all used rox/iceWM and a silver WinXP theme when we shifted off Windows. I of course had to set up the run command stuff and Icons first (as mentioned earlier in this post) but the transition was really smooth thanks to Rox. (P.S. -- I accually use Debian, and it is called rox-filer but if I recall correctly, K12/Redhat/Fedora all just use rox) On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:45:23 -0500 Peter Hartmann wrote: > Are you both just using the filer or the whole rox package with > desktop? I forget, when you default to Icewm is the desktop provided > by some part of Gnome or is it nautilus? Is there a way to keep that > desktop and use rox filer? I know the desktop is part of the > performance problem but It would be nice if I could make transitions > gradually. Besides I need to know how to add Icons on a group basis > 'out of the gate' so to speak. > > > Thanks, > Peter > > On 11/13/05, Gentgeen wrote: > > > > > > And ROX allows for thumbnail of images right inside the file browser :-) > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:03:13 -0800 (PST) > > Rob Owens wrote: > > > > > I like using ROX filer. It's very quick. You have to > > > set the run action for each file type, so that when > > > you click on a file, it knows what to open it with. > > > (You can also right-click and choose "open with...") > > > Anyway, mine is set to open all jpeg's with GQview, > > > which I find to be a nice, fast picture viewer. > > > > > > -Rob > > > > > > --- Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > I've been looking around for a lightweight file > > > > manager than nautilus > > > > that has has good thumbnail support. I tried xfe > > > > but it completely > > > > locks up when you use thumbnail view with hi-res > > > > pictures. Is there a > > > > way to integrate gthumb into a file manager. Is > > > > there maybe a file > > > > manager that has a button to launch gthumb using the > > > > current folder? > > > > Any recommendations? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > > ***************************************************************** > > Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem > > your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad > > company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ***************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 02:27:29 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:57:29 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] disallowing multiple instances within a certian period. In-Reply-To: <9bd317560511141230n1492b60fxf73caa167e9e27ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560511141230n1492b60fxf73caa167e9e27ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <774593a20511141827v121bc896h791159fbf8670ec1@mail.gmail.com> On 11/15/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Is there a way to disallow multiple instances within a certain period? > Say 10 seconds? This would be SO useful to us and I imagine others as > well (especially for the apps that take a long time to load.) If > there isn't already this functionality in Linux then I guess there > could this be done by a daemon? All the worst offending programs > would have to be run [daemon] [program]. Then daemon checks to see if > the user has executed the app in the period of time set by the user. > Does such a thing exist? In a peculiar situation we made a shell script which allowed each user to start only upto two instances of program. Then instead of launching program directly we made a launcher for shell script (assigning it same name and icons!!) and users were happy. I can pull out the script if you need. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 05:38:21 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:38:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] disallowing multiple instances within a certian period. In-Reply-To: <774593a20511141827v121bc896h791159fbf8670ec1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560511141230n1492b60fxf73caa167e9e27ea@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20511141827v121bc896h791159fbf8670ec1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560511142138j4f8ad441h378f491acb0bf86b@mail.gmail.com> > I can pull out the script if you need. Sure that would be great. Thanks, Peter On 11/14/05, Sudev Barar wrote: > On 11/15/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Is there a way to disallow multiple instances within a certain period? > > Say 10 seconds? This would be SO useful to us and I imagine others as > > well (especially for the apps that take a long time to load.) If > > there isn't already this functionality in Linux then I guess there > > could this be done by a daemon? All the worst offending programs > > would have to be run [daemon] [program]. Then daemon checks to see if > > the user has executed the app in the period of time set by the user. > > Does such a thing exist? > > In a peculiar situation we made a shell script which allowed each user > to start only upto two instances of program. Then instead of launching > program directly we made a launcher for shell script (assigning it > same name and icons!!) and users were happy. > I can pull out the script if you need. > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Nov 15 06:03:50 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:03:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Cool util of the day: Sabayon Message-ID: http://www.gnome.org/projects/sabayon/ Sabayon is a system administration tool to manage GNOME desktop settings, Mozilla/Firefox and OpenOffice.org. Basically, it pops open a "template" desktop into a window and records the changes you make. You can then apply that template to one or more users. Pretty simple, all-in-all. Here is quick intro with lots of screen shots: http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/sabayon Sabayon is in the Fedora Extras 4 repository. If you are running K12LTSP 4.4.x, you can install it with yum: yum install sabayon sabayon-admin Since you can apply settings to a single user, it would be a good idea to create a test user and experiment on that account. It has worked well for me, for the little I've used it so far, but as always your mileage may vary ;-) -Eric From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Nov 15 14:45:14 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:45:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Cool util of the day: Sabayon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks like a cool app...will it do system-wide settings too? "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 at 1:03 AM +0000 wrote: >http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/sabayon David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Nov 15 15:21:21 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:21:21 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] netvista Message-ID: <200511151726.jAFHQXr06948@downeast.net> David:done anything with those netvistas???im trying to get info enough to build a 2.6.14 kernel for them in hopes to resolve video issue.. I have 2.6.14 and ltsp-4.2 running here with only a sound issue to resolve..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Nov 15 16:16:41 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:16:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Belarc Advisor Alternative Message-ID: <437A09E9.1070607@honeygroveisd.net> Does anyone know of a tool similar to the Belarc Advisor profile tool that is free to use on school networks? Preferably something that has both a Windows and a Linux version. -- C-ya, Mark ____ The number of people watching you is directly proportional to the stupidity of your action. From ernie_hudson at snowline.k12.ca.us Tue Nov 15 17:17:55 2005 From: ernie_hudson at snowline.k12.ca.us (Ernie Hudson) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:17:55 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Belarc Advisor Alternative References: <437A09E9.1070607@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <437A1843.000001.03188@TECH> I use winaudit for windows http://www.pxserver.com/WinAudit.htm -------Original Message------- From: Mark Cockrell Date: 11/15/05 08:19:31 To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Belarc Advisor Alternative Does anyone know of a tool similar to the Belarc Advisor profile tool that is free to use on school networks? Preferably something that has both a Windows and a Linux version. -- C-ya, Mark ____ The number of people watching you is directly proportional to the stupidity of your action. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From webmaster at vol.org Tue Nov 15 18:16:58 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:16:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] oidentd help Message-ID: <1132078618.28141.76.camel@tardis.london.volnet> I'm running K12LTSP 4.4.1 and having a problem with oidentd. I've actually had this problem with previous versions of K12LTSP, but it is now significantly worse. My terminal server is a dual 2.8GHz Xeon with 4GB RAM that typically supports about 40 concurrent users running a mix of programs with ease. However, when a lab full of kids starts surfing, the load average skyrockets and the machine becomes unusable. The load average hit 78 something today due to oidentd going crazy. I was able to stop oidentd, the machine instantly became usable again and the load average dropped back to 1 something. I need to use oidentd so that DansGuardan will log usernames. DansGuardian and Squid are running on a separate machine with no performance problems. I don't know how to fix this. Do I need to do some tweaking to oidentd on the terminal server or is there something I need to do with the DansGuardian / Squid machine? I'm sure someone out there has a setup similar to mine. Please send suggestions if you have any. Thanks, George -- george kocke http://www.vol.org ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Tue Nov 15 20:31:33 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:31:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Belarc Advisor Alternative In-Reply-To: <437A09E9.1070607@honeygroveisd.net> References: <437A09E9.1070607@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <437A45A5.6090005@chinooksedge.ab.ca> I use Everest - a freebie from http://www.lavalys.com/products/overview.php?pid=1&lang=en It is MUCH more detailed than Belarc. Joe Guenther Mark Cockrell wrote: > Does anyone know of a tool similar to the Belarc Advisor profile tool > that is free to use on school networks? Preferably something that has > both a Windows and a Linux version. > From linuxsys at davisny.edu Wed Nov 16 13:32:30 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:32:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OO.o randomly closes Message-ID: Hello all, I just had a student come to my office and report that when she opens OO.o Writer (or any other app) it opens for about five seconds and then...BOOM! it closes. That's not good at all. I had her show me, and sure enough, the program comes up, sits there for around five seconds and then closes. In the words of one astute computer guru, "That is not a good prize!" Now, it doesn't happen on everyone's account, but there are multiple users complaining of this problem. It works fine on a few other accounts though. When OO.o shuts down I get, Nov 16 08:30:23 dctserver htt_server[2424]: Client shut down the connection owned by im_id(1). So, anyone else experienced this problem? Any ideas on what I can do to QUICKLY fix this problem. Running K12 FC3 release. Calvin Park System Administrator Computer Services Department Davis College: A Practical College of Bible and Ministry email: cpark at davisny.edu phone: 1.607.729.1581 ext 404 web: http://www.davisny.edu/csd From gumprechtm at msad3.org Wed Nov 16 14:01:26 2005 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:01:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ot pxe boot Message-ID: <437B3BB6.6030900@msad3.org> I'm tring to setup a pxe boot system off of ubuntu that has a menu. I have a 2 card setup with dhcp enabled on the workstation side. I have set it to pxe boot right into a ubuntu install (thanks to the ubuntu wiki and sun microsystems documents). After this, I'm lost. The goal is to create a system that is MAC driven (think Altiris Client solutions) to deliver images to clients that pxe boot. A menu that would allow selection of what image/install to load, (win, linux, apple?), with a time out for whatever the goal is on that boot. I've figured out AIDE32EE for harvesting hardware and software on windows (linux solution anyone). I would like to, ultimately, create an entirely open source deployment solution. Time is always a factor, but I think it is possible or is there something out there already that needs refining. Thanks in advance. Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From odin at visdom.org Wed Nov 16 16:22:47 2005 From: odin at visdom.org (Odin Nosen) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:22:47 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] "Unable to satisfy dependencies" Message-ID: <20051116161636.M69966@visdom.org> When I install _everything_ in K12LTSP v4.4.1 and tries to do a "yum update" I get this error: Error: Unable to satisfy dependencies Error: Package GFS-kernel needs kernel = 2.6.13-1.1532_FC4, this is not available. Error: Package dlm-kernel needs kernel = 2.6.13-1.1532_FC4, this is not available. Error: Package cman-kernel needs /lib/modules/2.6.13-1.1532_FC4, this is not available. Error: Package GFS-kernel needs /lib/modules/2.6.13-1.1532_FC4, this is not available. Error: Package cman-kernel needs kernel = 2.6.13-1.1532_FC4, this is not available. Error: Package dlm-kernel needs /lib/modules/2.6.13-1.1532_FC4, this is not available. Error: Package gnbd-kernel needs kernel = 2.6.13-1.1532_FC4, this is not available. Error: Package gnbd-kernel needs /lib/modules/2.6.13-1.1532_FC4, this is not available. The only solution is to remove the *-kernel packages with dependencies. Is there a better solution to this problem? or is something wrong in the K12LTSP v4.4.1 yum-repos? And why is the apt-repos for K12LTSP v4.4.1 not installed (by default)? "?" from Odin From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Nov 17 00:21:24 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:21:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OO.o randomly closes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <437BCD04.5010801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Calvin Park wrote: > Hello all, > > I just had a student come to my office and report that when she opens OO.o > Writer (or any other app) it opens for about five seconds and then...BOOM! > it closes. That's not good at all. I had her show me, and sure enough, the > program comes up, sits there for around five seconds and then closes. In the > words of one astute computer guru, "That is not a good prize!" Now, it > doesn't happen on everyone's account, but there are multiple users > complaining of this problem. It works fine on a few other accounts though. > When OO.o shuts down I get, > > Nov 16 08:30:23 dctserver htt_server[2424]: Client shut down the connection > owned by im_id(1). > > So, anyone else experienced this problem? Any ideas on what I can do to > QUICKLY fix this problem. Running K12 FC3 release. > > Calvin Park > System Administrator > Computer Services Department > Davis College: A Practical College of Bible and Ministry > > email: cpark at davisny.edu > phone: 1.607.729.1581 ext 404 > web: http://www.davisny.edu/csd > > I'm not sure of the exact problem, but for OpenOffice there are only two things that should differ between two accounts: their settings ~/.openoffice* and the user's files in /tmp/ If they don't have much customization to openoffice.org, I'd have them nuke ~/.openoffice* -- openoffice.org will rebuild that directory the next time they run an OOo app. They may also have something screwy in /tmp/. Have them log out and remove any files owned by them in /tmp/ (or if it is easy to get everyone to log out, remove everything in /tmp/ and reboot). -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 01:47:07 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:17:07 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] disallowing multiple instances within a certian period. In-Reply-To: <9bd317560511142138j4f8ad441h378f491acb0bf86b@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560511141230n1492b60fxf73caa167e9e27ea@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20511141827v121bc896h791159fbf8670ec1@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560511142138j4f8ad441h378f491acb0bf86b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <774593a20511161747x19245ac5j944af91ffeffb435@mail.gmail.com> On 11/15/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > I can pull out the script if you need. > > Sure that would be great. > The script is below (watch out if any line is wrapped round): p=`ps -u $USER | grep dosemu | wc -l` q=`cat /etc/dosid.conf | grep $USER | cut -d ":" -f 2` if [ $q -gt $p ] then echo "execute here" /path/to/program else dialog --title "Linux Dialog Utility Msgbox" --backtitle "Linux Alert Message" --msgbox "You are already running maximum permitted sessions \n Press any key. .. " 9 50 fi We have defined maximum sessions for each user in the file /etc/dosid.conf so that some users are allowed to run only one session while others can run two or three. File layout is : usera 1 userb 2 userc 1....... -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From gKw-X at shaw.ca Thu Nov 17 01:51:13 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:51:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound Message-ID: Hey guys, I added this to my conf file: Set "SOUND" to "Y" Set "SOUND_DAEMON" to "esd" for sound and it works for some things (I just tried freeciv on a client and there was music), but it doesn't work for tuxtype, or the gcompris educational package, for example. What am I missing? From gKw-X at shaw.ca Thu Nov 17 02:01:38 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:01:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound Message-ID: I did this: kcontrol-->Sound & Multimedia-->Sound System-->Hardware-->Select Audio Device (Enlightenment Sound Daemon) and it said it could not connect to the sound server and would use null output? ----- Original Message ----- From: NONE NONE Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 5:51 pm Subject: [K12OSN] Sound > Hey guys, > > I added this to my conf file: > > Set "SOUND" to "Y" > Set "SOUND_DAEMON" to "esd" > > for sound and it works for some things (I just tried freeciv on a > client and there was music), but it doesn't work for tuxtype, or > the gcompris educational package, for example. What am I missing? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > From gKw-X at shaw.ca Thu Nov 17 02:28:55 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:28:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound Message-ID: The machine has an ISA soundblaster 16, so I added: SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" still no dice :( ----- Original Message ----- From: NONE NONE Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 5:51 pm Subject: [K12OSN] Sound > Hey guys, > > I added this to my conf file: > > Set "SOUND" to "Y" > Set "SOUND_DAEMON" to "esd" > > for sound and it works for some things (I just tried freeciv on a > client and there was music), but it doesn't work for tuxtype, or > the gcompris educational package, for example. What am I missing? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > From gKw-X at shaw.ca Thu Nov 17 02:43:43 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:43:43 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound Message-ID: The terminal outputs this when I try to turn on sound in kcontrol on the server: ERROR: Couldn't open /dev/sequencer to get some information okay sound server terminated server status: running, will suspend in 58 s real-time status: real-time server buffer time: 40.6349 ms buffer size multiplier: 1 minimum stream buffer time: 40.6349 ms auto suspend time: 60 s audio method: null sampling rate: 44100 channels: 2 sample size: 16 bits duplex: half device: null fragments: 7 fragment size: 1024 ----- Original Message ----- From: NONE NONE Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 5:51 pm Subject: [K12OSN] Sound > Hey guys, > > I added this to my conf file: > > Set "SOUND" to "Y" > Set "SOUND_DAEMON" to "esd" > > for sound and it works for some things (I just tried freeciv on a > client and there was music), but it doesn't work for tuxtype, or > the gcompris educational package, for example. What am I missing? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 17 06:18:05 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:18:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ot pxe boot In-Reply-To: <437B3BB6.6030900@msad3.org> References: <437B3BB6.6030900@msad3.org> Message-ID: <1132208285.4338.48.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 08:01, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I'm tring to setup a pxe boot system off of ubuntu that has a menu. I > have a 2 card setup with dhcp enabled on the workstation side. I have > set it to pxe boot right into a ubuntu install (thanks to the ubuntu > wiki and sun microsystems documents). After this, I'm lost. I think it should be possible to pxe or etherboot grub with a menu of choices which would in turn network boot the selected kernel, but I haven't actually done it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 17 11:02:16 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:02:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Sound In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051117110216.9936.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from another post of yours, I guess you are using KDE. I think KDE automatically starts its native sound server, "arts". You need to tell it not to, and you should be able to do that in the KDE Control Center. Otherwise, arts will grab the sound card and not let anything else use it. -Rob NONE NONE wrote: Hey guys, I added this to my conf file: Set "SOUND" to "Y" Set "SOUND_DAEMON" to "esd" for sound and it works for some things (I just tried freeciv on a client and there was music), but it doesn't work for tuxtype, or the gcompris educational package, for example. What am I missing? _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linuxsys at davisny.edu Thu Nov 17 13:06:29 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:06:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OO.o randomly closes In-Reply-To: <437BCD04.5010801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Eric, Thanks for the advice. I spent several hours yesterday working on things. If I went into their ~/.openoffice* directly I could run the soffice script, and it would bring up the program. But as soon as I loaded a file up, it would wait five seconds, then exit. I noticed that if I deleted the .lock file in ~/.openoffice it would work fine. So I'm going to check the /tmp directory and see if there is anything there odd. Thanks for the advice. -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:21 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OO.o randomly closes Calvin Park wrote: > Hello all, > > I just had a student come to my office and report that when she opens OO.o > Writer (or any other app) it opens for about five seconds and then...BOOM! > it closes. That's not good at all. I had her show me, and sure enough, the > program comes up, sits there for around five seconds and then closes. In the > words of one astute computer guru, "That is not a good prize!" Now, it > doesn't happen on everyone's account, but there are multiple users > complaining of this problem. It works fine on a few other accounts though. > When OO.o shuts down I get, > > Nov 16 08:30:23 dctserver htt_server[2424]: Client shut down the connection > owned by im_id(1). > > So, anyone else experienced this problem? Any ideas on what I can do to > QUICKLY fix this problem. Running K12 FC3 release. > > Calvin Park > System Administrator > Computer Services Department > Davis College: A Practical College of Bible and Ministry > > email: cpark at davisny.edu > phone: 1.607.729.1581 ext 404 > web: http://www.davisny.edu/csd > > I'm not sure of the exact problem, but for OpenOffice there are only two things that should differ between two accounts: their settings ~/.openoffice* and the user's files in /tmp/ If they don't have much customization to openoffice.org, I'd have them nuke ~/.openoffice* -- openoffice.org will rebuild that directory the next time they run an OOo app. They may also have something screwy in /tmp/. Have them log out and remove any files owned by them in /tmp/ (or if it is easy to get everyone to log out, remove everything in /tmp/ and reboot). -Eric From dan_hopson at hotmail.com Thu Nov 17 13:08:42 2005 From: dan_hopson at hotmail.com (Dan Hopson) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:08:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP wireless? Message-ID: I am just getting started with Linux networking. Will K12LTSP work with all wireless NICs on both eth0 and eth1? Thanks, Dan. From petre at maltzen.net Thu Nov 17 13:53:48 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:53:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP wireless? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <437C8B6C.7040006@maltzen.net> Perhaps but not necessarily; there are a lot of cards out there. Since you reference eth0 and eth1, are you thinking of putting wireless cards in the server? I see two problems with that plan: 1) wireless bandwidth, which is shared, won't handle many client connections before it gets saturated; 2) running a wireless card in the server suggests you want to try wireless clients, which isn't very feasible at this point. A package was made a year or two ago that would work with some wireless client cards, but the list is quite short. It's kind of a catch-22: to talk to the wireless card, there has to be support for PCMCIA, but to do that you have to have a kernel loaded, but to load a kernel you have to have networking working which means supporting PCMCIA, and so on. More information on what you want to do would be helpful. Tell us what you have in mind. Petre Dan Hopson wrote: > I am just getting started with Linux networking. Will K12LTSP work with > all wireless NICs on both eth0 and eth1? > > Thanks, Dan. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 17 15:29:56 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:29:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing Message-ID: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> I have a new K12LTSP server completely up to date with 4.4.1. I need to mount /home from a home directory server (also installed with Fedora 4.4.1), users and passwords all match. I can log in but for some reason the user menus at the bottom and top of the screen don't pull in. I log in without errors, I can browse the users home folder, but no menus. Ideas??? Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From andy at spitcomp.com Thu Nov 17 15:51:20 2005 From: andy at spitcomp.com (Andrew Fisk) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:51:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP wireless? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Getting the cards to work on the server should be fairly straight forward -- you could even buy PCI cards with PCMCIA slots which would broaden the range of hardware supported -- and there are plenty of wireless terminals around -- but they tend to be sold to do a specific task like collect inventory info (fire up your wifi out side a Wal-Mart) or handle a credit card transaction -- you might be able to repurpose a Point of Sale Terminal, but you could buy miles of cat 5 for the cost differential between those and old desktops (which you should be able to get pretty much for free). Although it would be a neat project -- where are you trying to get to? If you really need wireless you might do better to hard wire a "pod" of 3 or 4 desktops to a small wireless access point and connect the server the same way if you have to -- you would still suffer from the bandwidth issues already mentioned, but at least you could to a standard client and server install. Thanks Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Nov 17, 2005, at 8:08 AM, Dan Hopson wrote: > I am just getting started with Linux networking. Will K12LTSP work > with all wireless NICs on both eth0 and eth1? > > Thanks, Dan. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Apparently Scalix Web Access needs it, and it doesn't start up as a daemon by itself. Any thoughts? -Nick nicholas|santiago 484.893.1044 [1]nsantiago at caclv.org References Visible links 1. mailto:nsantiago at caclv.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Thu Nov 17 17:11:16 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:11:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] auto login In-Reply-To: <437CB4EF.3020003@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <437CB4EF.3020003@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <437CB9B4.2030009@maltzen.net> Have a look at the 'Contrib' area on the LTSP website at http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/index.php and look for autologin and/or kiosk. Also, check the Success Stories page of the LTSP wiki at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/SuccessStories and search for kiosk. You'll find some people who have done it and you could contact them directly if you get stuck. HTH Petre Joe Guenther wrote: > Has anyone done autologins at the workstation? Workstation 1 auto logs > in as user1/password ... workstation 2 auto logins as user2/password, > etc. etc. > > I have a small lab environment where I would love to have something like > that to make it easier for my users. Can someone point me in the right > direction. Surely someone else has pondered this question before me. > > > Joe Guenther > LANtech - Didsbury > Chinook's Edge School Div. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 17 17:22:18 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:22:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] auto login In-Reply-To: <437CB9B4.2030009@maltzen.net> References: <437CB4EF.3020003@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <437CB9B4.2030009@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1132248137.23231.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 11:11, Petre Scheie wrote: > Have a look at the 'Contrib' area on the LTSP website at > http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/index.php and look for autologin and/or kiosk. Also, check > the Success Stories page of the LTSP wiki at > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/SuccessStories > and search for kiosk. You'll find some people who have done it and you could contact > them directly if you get stuck. Speaking of autologin/kiosk mode... Is it possible to put something on a boot floppy that can identify the device for matching in lts.conf instead of the MAC address? I'd like to have a couple of auto-login accounts that would run from any machine just by booting with a certain floppy. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 18:51:11 2005 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:51:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Blog/CMS for student use Message-ID: <69b790a80511171051v119188d9rc0dd13ad6465d33a@mail.gmail.com> Anybody looked at a CMS or Blog software for use in an academic setting? Ideally, it would have some sort of preview function by the teacher before publishing. I looked at wordpress, but that doesn't seem to have the ability to preview by a higher authority before publishing. Roger From timothy.hart at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 19:19:12 2005 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:19:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Blog/CMS for student use In-Reply-To: <69b790a80511171051v119188d9rc0dd13ad6465d33a@mail.gmail.com> References: <69b790a80511171051v119188d9rc0dd13ad6465d33a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <464c38cc0511171119k11e67d66h3ea19a9590d5c375@mail.gmail.com> If you have not been to http://www.opensourcecms.com/ yet I would highly recommend it. It has a bunch of CMSs available for live demoing. Try a bunch out and see which one might meet your needs. On 11/17/05, Roger wrote: > > Anybody looked at a CMS or Blog software for use in an academic setting? > > Ideally, it would have some sort of preview function by the teacher > before publishing. > > I looked at wordpress, but that doesn't seem to have the ability to > preview by a higher authority before publishing. > > > Roger > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Nov 17 19:32:09 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:32:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Blog/CMS for student use Message-ID: <20051117123209.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.5a59275471.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> What a great site. Thanks! Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Blog/CMS for student use > From: Timothy Hart > Date: Thu, November 17, 2005 1:19 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > If you have not been to http://www.opensourcecms.com/ yet I would highly recommend it. It has a bunch of CMSs available for live demoing. Try a bunch out and see which one might meet your needs. > > > On 11/17/05, Roger wrote:Anybody looked at a CMS or Blog software for use in an academic setting? > > Ideally, it would have some sort of preview function by the teacher > before publishing. > > I looked at wordpress, but that doesn't seem to have the ability to > preview by a higher authority before publishing. > > > Roger > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From accessys at smart.net Thu Nov 17 19:54:11 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:54:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] making a live CD...? In-Reply-To: <20051113005939.81488.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051113005939.81488.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Rob Owens wrote: thanks to all finally got it to work using K3B and the "Clone" CD setting. Bob > A couple others that I use in Ubuntu are Graveman and > Gnome-baker. Maybe these are available in your > repositories. K3B is also great. It will > automatically save the iso to the hard drive and > prompt you to switch cd's. Same goes for Gnome-baker, > and Graveman too, I think. > > -Rob > > --- Les Mikesell wrote: > > > On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 07:41, Access Systems wrote: > > > > > using X-CD-Roast how do I get this iso image onto > > my drive and then > > > burned onto disks....forgive the basic lesson but > > I have already made > > > several non functioning disks and I have one or > > two people I've convinced > > > to try linux but they are getting suspicious when > > I can't even burn a CD > > > for them....... > > > > Try k3b instead - it is a much nicer interface. > > Click 'copy cd' on the > > first screen and fill in the form - the defaults > > will probably be right. > > > > -- > > Les Mikesell > > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 17 19:54:22 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:54:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Blog/CMS for student use In-Reply-To: <69b790a80511171051v119188d9rc0dd13ad6465d33a@mail.gmail.com> References: <69b790a80511171051v119188d9rc0dd13ad6465d33a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1132257261.23231.62.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 12:51, Roger wrote: > Anybody looked at a CMS or Blog software for use in an academic setting? > > Ideally, it would have some sort of preview function by the teacher > before publishing. > > I looked at wordpress, but that doesn't seem to have the ability to > preview by a higher authority before publishing. This might be overkill and would need a little custom work for the 'publisher' to do what you want but you could turn it into a full-featured news service: http://www.bricolage.cc/ -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From andy at spitcomp.com Thu Nov 17 20:12:21 2005 From: andy at spitcomp.com (Andrew Fisk) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:12:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Tomcat at Startup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23323D2E-BC6C-4A02-9348-A71102EB4DBF@spitcomp.com> If scalix is not starting tomcat then there is something screwed up in your tomcat install -- if you had tomcat installed before you installed scalix it will fail -- there is an option in the scalix installer to reinstall -- try removing tomcat from your system, reboot and then use the reinstall option to install tomcat. Thanks Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Nov 17, 2005, at 11:13 AM, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > Hi all-- > > I'm probably being an idiot, but is there a way to script Tomcat to > startup with the server? Apparently Scalix Web Access needs it, and > it doesn't start up as a daemon by itself. > > Any thoughts? > > -Nick > > nicholas|santiago > 484.893.1044 > nsantiago at caclv.org > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 17 20:45:59 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:45:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:29:56 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote > I have a new K12LTSP server completely up to date with 4.4.1. I > need to mount /home from a home directory server (also installed > with Fedora 4.4.1), users and passwords all match. I can log in but > for some reason the user menus at the bottom and top of the screen > don't pull in. I log in without errors, I can browse the users home > folder, but no menus. > > Ideas??? Anyone know if I should run a script or something to get the Gnome menus generated and into the users folders? Desktop comes up fine, just no application menus at the top or bottom of the screen. I can't even log off properly, no log out menu. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 17 21:01:45 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:01:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 14:45, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:29:56 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote > > I have a new K12LTSP server completely up to date with 4.4.1. I > > need to mount /home from a home directory server (also installed > > with Fedora 4.4.1), users and passwords all match. I can log in but > > for some reason the user menus at the bottom and top of the screen > > don't pull in. I log in without errors, I can browse the users home > > folder, but no menus. > > > > Ideas??? > > Anyone know if I should run a script or something to get the Gnome menus > generated and into the users folders? Desktop comes up fine, just no > application menus at the top or bottom of the screen. I can't even log off > properly, no log out menu. Are the files from /etc/skel copied into each home directory as they would be if you added the users from the box where they log in? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 17 21:06:29 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:06:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> > Are the files from /etc/skel copied into each home directory as they > would be if you added the users from the box where they log in? I tried to manually copy the files from /etc/skel for a couple users to the home directory from the other box, things still don't work. Do you have a recommended command to use? I just used cp for each individual file and then modified ownership as needed, also overwrote files where necessary. If I create new users it works perfect. Very frustrating, this should be so simple. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 17 21:10:10 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:10:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20051117210816.M92016@winonacotter.org> > If I create new users it works perfect. Very frustrating, this > should be so simple. Actually let me correct that, if I add new users without /home mounted over NFS it works perfect. If I add a new user with NFS mounted it seams to hang and not create the user. I have now synced the users by copying /etc/shadow, /etc/password, /etc/group, and /etc/gshadow files between boxes (used webmin cluster on last try). Should I be doing something else? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 17 21:14:15 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:14:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <20051117210816.M92016@winonacotter.org> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> <20051117210816.M92016@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20051117211126.M18413@winonacotter.org> > Actually let me correct that, if I add new users without /home > mounted over NFS it works perfect. If I add a new user with NFS > mounted it seams to hang and not create the user. While it appears to hang creating the user in Webmin I log in via ssh and can see that there is a user.lock file under /home. Say I create a user joeblow I have a /home/joeblow.lock file while webmin is hung trying to create the user. Is this a sign of a permission problem? If I simply try to create a test directory called testdir under /home as user root I don't have any problems. The only user I can successfully log in as with menus us root. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Thu Nov 17 21:31:40 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:31:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <20051117211126.M18413@winonacotter.org> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> <20051117210816.M92016@winonacotter.org> <20051117211126.M18413@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <437CF6BC.6000308@maltzen.net> My guess is there is a permissions problem for the user. I believe some files related to gnome are created/modified when the user logs in. If the user's processes can't do that, then gnome will misbehave and perhaps this is the manifestation. (I'm just speculating here.) Have you tried sshing to the LTSP server as a user, meaning you'll end up in a /home directory on the NFS-mounted /home from the other machine? And then can you touch and write files? Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Actually let me correct that, if I add new users without /home >>mounted over NFS it works perfect. If I add a new user with NFS >>mounted it seams to hang and not create the user. > > > While it appears to hang creating the user in Webmin I log in via ssh and can > see that there is a user.lock file under /home. Say I create a user joeblow I > have a /home/joeblow.lock file while webmin is hung trying to create the user. > Is this a sign of a permission problem? > > If I simply try to create a test directory called testdir under /home as user > root I don't have any problems. > > The only user I can successfully log in as with menus us root. > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Nov 17 21:31:50 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:31:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] "Unable to satisfy dependencies" In-Reply-To: <20051116161636.M69966@visdom.org> References: <20051116161636.M69966@visdom.org> Message-ID: <437CF6C6.4080902@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Odin Nosen wrote: > When I install _everything_ in K12LTSP v4.4.1 and tries to do a "yum update" I get this > error: > > Error: Unable to satisfy dependencies > Error: Package GFS-kernel needs kernel = 2.6.13-1.1532_FC4, this is not available. > Error: Package dlm-kernel needs kernel = 2.6.13-1.1532_FC4, this is not available. > Error: Package cman-kernel needs /lib/modules/2.6.13-1.1532_FC4, this is not available. > Error: Package GFS-kernel needs /lib/modules/2.6.13-1.1532_FC4, this is not available. > Error: Package cman-kernel needs kernel = 2.6.13-1.1532_FC4, this is not available. > Error: Package dlm-kernel needs /lib/modules/2.6.13-1.1532_FC4, this is not available. > Error: Package gnbd-kernel needs kernel = 2.6.13-1.1532_FC4, this is not available. > Error: Package gnbd-kernel needs /lib/modules/2.6.13-1.1532_FC4, this is not available. > > The only solution is to remove the *-kernel packages with dependencies. Is there a > better solution to this problem? I'd recommend not doing an _everything_ install ;-) These are packages for the global file system, if you don't use GFS you don't need these packages. If you do use GFS, you need to run a kernel that matches the version of the GFS utilities (in this case kernel 2.6.13-1.1532_FC4). The GFS packages are not always released with each kernel update, and rarely at the same time as a kernel update. >or is something wrong in the K12LTSP v4.4.1 yum-repos? No, it matches the behavior of the FC4 yum-repos. > And why is the apt-repos for K12LTSP v4.4.1 not installed (by default)? Apt has become the neglected step-child on rpm-based systems. Even Conectiva (now Mandriva) who wrote apt-rpm is dropping support (they are switching to smart). Interestingly, at the Ubuntu conference they discussed dropping apt/synaptic for smart as well. http://labix.org/smart For K12LTSP, the earlier apt packages were difficult to modify. I just played around with the latest version and it looks pretty straight-forward for me to add in the k12ltsp repo. It should be just a matter of creating /etc/apt/sources.list.d/k12ltsp.source containing: rpm http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us apt/4.4 os updates non-free extras webmin rpm-src http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us apt/4.4 os updates non-free extras I'll add this my next package build if it is indeed that easy now. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Do you have no_root_squash on your /home export? Root has to really have root access to create users. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 17 21:43:33 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:43:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] "Unable to satisfy dependencies" In-Reply-To: <437CF6C6.4080902@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20051116161636.M69966@visdom.org> <437CF6C6.4080902@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1132263813.27133.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 15:31, Eric Harrison wrote: > Odin Nosen wrote: > > When I install _everything_ in K12LTSP v4.4.1 and tries to do a "yum update" I get this > > error: > > > > Error: Unable to satisfy dependencies > > Error: Package GFS-kernel needs kernel = 2.6.13-1.1532_FC4, this is not available. > > Error: Package dlm-kernel needs kernel = 2.6.13-1.1532_FC4, this is not available. > > Error: Package cman-kernel needs /lib/modules/2.6.13-1.1532_FC4, this is not available. > > Error: Package GFS-kernel needs /lib/modules/2.6.13-1.1532_FC4, this is not available. > > Error: Package cman-kernel needs kernel = 2.6.13-1.1532_FC4, this is not available. > > Error: Package dlm-kernel needs /lib/modules/2.6.13-1.1532_FC4, this is not available. > > Error: Package gnbd-kernel needs kernel = 2.6.13-1.1532_FC4, this is not available. > > Error: Package gnbd-kernel needs /lib/modules/2.6.13-1.1532_FC4, this is not available. > > > > The only solution is to remove the *-kernel packages with dependencies. Is there a > > better solution to this problem? > > I'd recommend not doing an _everything_ install ;-) > > These are packages for the global file system, if you don't use GFS you > don't need these packages. If you do use GFS, you need to run a kernel > that matches the version of the GFS utilities (in this case kernel > 2.6.13-1.1532_FC4). The GFS packages are not always released with each > kernel update, and rarely at the same time as a kernel update. > > >or is something wrong in the K12LTSP v4.4.1 yum-repos? > > No, it matches the behavior of the FC4 yum-repos. There have been complaints about the same thing on the fedora mail list. Just 'rpm -e ...' the packages that are causing the problems. They are old and no longer supported. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 17 21:46:24 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:46:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <437CF6BC.6000308@maltzen.net> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> <20051117210816.M92016@winonacotter.org> <20051117211126.M18413@winonacotter.org> <437CF6BC.6000308@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20051117213749.M7693@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:31:40 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote > My guess is there is a permissions problem for the user. I believe > some files related to gnome are created/modified when the user logs > in. If the user's processes can't do that, then gnome will > misbehave and perhaps this is the manifestation. (I'm just > speculating here.) > > Have you tried sshing to the LTSP server as a user, meaning you'll > end up in a /home directory on the NFS-mounted /home from the other > machine? And then can you touch and write files? I just logged in with the same user via ssh that I am currently testing with. I go directly to that users home folder and can see files. When doing a "ls -al" all files show up as being owned by the correct user. I can delete,create and move files. I have 2 servers, both installed with K12LTSP 4.4.1. One server has /home and all of my users. I can log into this server without any problems. I want to add another server and nfs mount /home from the original server. I need to sync the users between boxes. What syntax do you guys use to export /home, mount /home, and which user files do you copy to sync users. I don't get why this isn't working, being identical versions I would think this should be extremely simple. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Nov 17 21:55:03 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:55:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Sounds like you're not using Samba/LDAP...how come? "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, November 17, 2005 at 3:45 PM +0000 wrote: >On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:29:56 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote >> I have a new K12LTSP server completely up to date with 4.4.1. I >> need to mount /home from a home directory server (also installed >> with Fedora 4.4.1), users and passwords all match. I can log in but >> for some reason the user menus at the bottom and top of the screen >> don't pull in. I log in without errors, I can browse the users home >> folder, but no menus. >> >> Ideas??? > >Anyone know if I should run a script or something to get the Gnome menus >generated and into the users folders? Desktop comes up fine, just no >application menus at the top or bottom of the screen. I can't even log >off >properly, no log out menu. > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by the Cotter Technology >Department, and is believed to be clean. > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 17 21:48:31 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:48:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <1132263688.27133.18.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> <20051117210816.M92016@winonacotter.org> <1132263688.27133.18.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20051117214740.M82698@winonacotter.org> > Do you have no_root_squash on your /home export? Root has to really > have root access to create users. Yep. However I did have it exported to only the other servers IP, I just tried a more global 10.6.0.0/255.255.0.0 to see if that helps. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 17 21:48:22 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:48:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1132264102.27133.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 15:06, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Are the files from /etc/skel copied into each home directory as they > > would be if you added the users from the box where they log in? > > I tried to manually copy the files from /etc/skel for a couple users to the > home directory from the other box, things still don't work. Do you have a > recommended command to use? I just used cp for each individual file and then > modified ownership as needed, also overwrote files where necessary. > > If I create new users it works perfect. Very frustrating, this should be so > simple. The quick fix is to create a user that works, cd into that directory and cp -aR . ../otheruser , then chown -R otheruser /home/otheruser which is easily scripted if you have many otherusers. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From odin at visdom.org Thu Nov 17 21:50:20 2005 From: odin at visdom.org (Odin Nosen) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:50:20 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] "Unable to satisfy dependencies" In-Reply-To: <437CF6C6.4080902@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20051116161636.M69966@visdom.org> <437CF6C6.4080902@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20051117214650.M79859@visdom.org> On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:31:50 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote > > When I install _everything_ in K12LTSP v4.4.1 and tries to do a "yum update" I get this > > error: > > Error: Unable to satisfy dependencies > > I'd recommend not doing an _everything_ install ;-) I know, but it's so easy to do :-) > played around with the latest version and it looks pretty > straight-forward for me to add in the k12ltsp repo. It should be just a > matter of creating /etc/apt/sources.list.d/k12ltsp.source containing: > > rpm http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us apt/4.4 os updates non-free > extras webmin > rpm-src http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us apt/4.4 os updates non-free > extras Yes, that's what I did too - and it works fine. It's OK to have to the default apt-repo's when I add livna's and cccrma's apt-repo. "!" from Odin From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 17 21:52:49 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:52:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20051117214931.M62453@winonacotter.org> > Sounds like you're not using Samba/LDAP...how come? I had this all working perfect under a different setup. OSX, Windows, and linux all using roaming profiles. Then on the first day of school I found out that all files without extensions (thanks mac os9 and prior) would not open until the right extension was assigned. If the file systems were mounted with NFS they had to know the right extension and assign it (yeah right). So this threw me into a whirl of rebuilding and concept changes. Now I have the results of a late night after the first day of school. I need to go back and build things off of a new authentication server, just haven't gotten there yet. Very frustrating at the time. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Nov 17 22:04:50 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:04:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <1132264102.27133.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> <1132264102.27133.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20051117220409.M54553@winonacotter.org> > The quick fix is to create a user that works, cd into that directory > and cp -aR . ../otheruser , then chown -R otheruser /home/otheruser > which is easily scripted if you have many otherusers. Turns out if I create a new user with the /home nfs mounted that user has no menus as well. So I don't have any good files to copy. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 17 22:41:05 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:41:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <20051117220409.M54553@winonacotter.org> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> <1132264102.27133.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117220409.M54553@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1132267265.30319.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 16:04, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > The quick fix is to create a user that works, cd into that directory > > and cp -aR . ../otheruser , then chown -R otheruser /home/otheruser > > which is easily scripted if you have many otherusers. > > Turns out if I create a new user with the /home nfs mounted that user has no > menus as well. So I don't have any good files to copy. That part still doesn't make sense unless root isn't root. Can you log in as root, cd to the mounted home dir and create and chown files? Anyway you should be able to unmount home, create a user locally, cp -a that home director to /tmp, mount /home and put it back with cp -a. Did you disable SELinux on both boxes? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From andy at spitcomp.com Thu Nov 17 22:46:48 2005 From: andy at spitcomp.com (Andrew Fisk) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:46:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Tomcat at Startup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9538281B-EA9C-44EA-B7FC-8C02507C8043@spitcomp.com> I have been there and done this -- I don't know why or how Scalix has issues with Tomcat on FC4 -- but I know that the problem went away when I uninstalled Tomcat from the OS and then reinstalled it from within the scalx installer. Thanks Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Nov 17, 2005, at 3:27 PM, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > Tomcat works fine, it just seems to not load as a service. Does > anyone know of a trick to make it automatically come up upon > starting up FC4? > > nicholas|santiago > 484.893.1044 > nsantiago at caclv.org > > > From: Andrew Fisk [mailto:andy at spitcomp.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 15:12 > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Tomcat at Startup > > If scalix is not starting tomcat then there is something screwed up > in your tomcat install -- if you had tomcat installed before you > installed scalix it will fail -- there is an option in the scalix > installer to reinstall -- try removing tomcat from your system, > reboot and then use the reinstall option to install tomcat. > > Thanks > > Andy > Spitfire Computer Services > 441 Beaver Street > Suite 202 > Sewickley, PA 15143 > Phone (412) 749-0162 > Fax: (412) 749-0203 > andy at spitcomp.com > www.spitcomp.com > > On Nov 17, 2005, at 11:13 AM, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > >> Hi all-- >> >> I'm probably being an idiot, but is there a way to script Tomcat >> to startup with the server? Apparently Scalix Web Access needs it, >> and it doesn't start up as a daemon by itself. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> -Nick >> >> nicholas|santiago >> 484.893.1044 >> nsantiago at caclv.org >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Does anyone > know of a trick to make it automagically come up upon starting up FC4? > > nicholas|santiago > 484.893.1044 > nsantiago at caclv.org > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Andrew Fisk [mailto:andy at spitcomp.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, November 17, 2005 15:12 > *To:* Support list for opensource software in schools. > *Subject:* Re: [K12OSN] Tomcat at Startup > > If scalix is not starting tomcat then there is something screwed up in > your tomcat install -- if you had tomcat installed before you installed > scalix it will fail -- there is an option in the scalix installer to > reinstall -- try removing tomcat from your system, reboot and then use > the reinstall option to install tomcat. > > Thanks > > > Andy > > Spitfire Computer Services > > 441 Beaver Street > > Suite 202 > > Sewickley, PA 15143 > > Phone (412) 749-0162 > > Fax: (412) 749-0203 > > andy at spitcomp.com > > www.spitcomp.com > > > On Nov 17, 2005, at 11:13 AM, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > >> Hi all-- >> >> I'm probably being an idiot, but is there a way to script Tomcat to >> startup with the server? Apparently Scalix Web Access needs it, and it >> doesn't start up as a daemon by itself. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> -Nick >> >> *nicholas|santiago >> *484.893.1044 >> nsantiago at caclv.org >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From nsantiago at caclv.org Thu Nov 17 23:44:53 2005 From: nsantiago at caclv.org (Santiago, Nicholas) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:44:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Tomcat at Startup Message-ID: Does anyone have said script so that I can import it? Apparently I didn't install Tomcat with FC4. nicholas|santiago 484.893.1044 nsantiago at caclv.org -----Original Message----- From: Dan Young [mailto:dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us] Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 17:53 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Tomcat at Startup You could borrow /etc/rc.d/init.d/tomcat5 from the tomcat5 package in the base repository and change the paths as appropriate. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > Tomcat works fine, it just seems to not load as a service. Does anyone > know of a trick to make it automagically come up upon starting up FC4? > > nicholas|santiago > 484.893.1044 > nsantiago at caclv.org > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > *From:* Andrew Fisk [mailto:andy at spitcomp.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, November 17, 2005 15:12 > *To:* Support list for opensource software in schools. > *Subject:* Re: [K12OSN] Tomcat at Startup > > If scalix is not starting tomcat then there is something screwed up in > your tomcat install -- if you had tomcat installed before you > installed scalix it will fail -- there is an option in the scalix > installer to reinstall -- try removing tomcat from your system, reboot > and then use the reinstall option to install tomcat. > > Thanks > > > Andy > > Spitfire Computer Services > > 441 Beaver Street > > Suite 202 > > Sewickley, PA 15143 > > Phone (412) 749-0162 > > Fax: (412) 749-0203 > > andy at spitcomp.com > > www.spitcomp.com > > > On Nov 17, 2005, at 11:13 AM, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > >> Hi all-- >> >> I'm probably being an idiot, but is there a way to script Tomcat to >> startup with the server? Apparently Scalix Web Access needs it, and >> it doesn't start up as a daemon by itself. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> -Nick >> >> *nicholas|santiago >> *484.893.1044 >> nsantiago at caclv.org >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Nov 17 23:46:28 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:46:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Tomcat at Startup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <437D1654.8000802@mesd.k12.or.us> Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > Does anyone have said script so that I can import it? 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So I don't have any good files to copy. > Do you have the panel at all? You said at the beginning that the top and bottom menus are missing -- do you mean the entire panels on top and botom (including clock, taskbar, pager, etc) are not showing up? If so, when you log in and run ps ax |grep panel, are there any gnome-panel's running? -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Nov 18 00:18:27 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:18:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Tomcat at Startup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <437D1DD3.1080909@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I happened to have a /etc/rc.d/init.d/tomcat4 script. See attached. -Eric Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > Does anyone have said script so that I can import it? 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From robark at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 01:11:18 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:11:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Server sizing in the real world In-Reply-To: References: <434D6444.3060109@yellowdog.com> <434D6985.8000103@maltzen.net> <1129162486.7423.145.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On 10/12/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > I spec'd it with SATA drives & a LSI Megaraid SATA 300-8x controller. > The benchmarks I've seen says this card rocks, right up there with > SCSI. We shall see! (you can get a 300-8x for about $450, a bit pricey > but cheaper than a single 300G SCSI drive). > > Here's the whole package we're going to play with: > > dual dual-core AMD Opteron 265's (yum, four processors!) (~1,400) > 4 gig ram (ECC registered) ( ~800) > LSI Megaraid SATA 300-8x controller ( ~450) > 6 Hitachi 400G SATA drives (2TB in RAID5) (~1,600) > Tyan motherboard w/2 GigE ports ( ~450) > 3U rack case with 12 hot-swap drive bays @ dual power ( ~800) Eric, which Tyan board did you get? and would you recommend it? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dan_hopson at hotmail.com Fri Nov 18 01:48:03 2005 From: dan_hopson at hotmail.com (Dan Hopson) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:48:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP wireless? In-Reply-To: <437C8B6C.7040006@maltzen.net> Message-ID: OK...I guess what I am wanting to do is have a wireless NIC only on eth0 and wireless NICs in the terminal machines...is this feasible with 25 terminals? Dan. >From: Petre Scheie >Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP wireless? >Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:53:48 -0600 > >Perhaps but not necessarily; there are a lot of cards out there. Since you >reference eth0 and eth1, are you thinking of putting wireless cards in the >server? I see two problems with that plan: 1) wireless bandwidth, which is >shared, won't handle many client connections before it gets saturated; 2) >running a wireless card in the server suggests you want to try wireless >clients, which isn't very feasible at this point. A package was made a >year or two ago that would work with some wireless client cards, but the >list is quite short. It's kind of a catch-22: to talk to the wireless >card, there has to be support for PCMCIA, but to do that you have to have a >kernel loaded, but to load a kernel you have to have networking working >which means supporting PCMCIA, and so on. > >More information on what you want to do would be helpful. Tell us what you >have in mind. > >Petre > >Dan Hopson wrote: >>I am just getting started with Linux networking. Will K12LTSP work with >>all wireless NICs on both eth0 and eth1? >> >>Thanks, Dan. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From hackl at bsd.sk.ca Fri Nov 18 04:02:32 2005 From: hackl at bsd.sk.ca (Ryan Hackl - Spiritwood High) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:02:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Hidden Folders in home directory Message-ID: <20051118035913.M74831@bsd.sk.ca> As I try to troubleshoot various issues, I've come to the conclusion that I would find it really helpful to have a summary of what the hidden folders in users' k12ltsp home directories are (through doing a "ls -a"), and what their purposes are. So far I've had little success in compiling such a list by searching online. Can anybody point me in the direction of a link or file that contains the 'meaning' of these hidden folders? Thanks Ryan Hackl From petre at maltzen.net Fri Nov 18 13:58:59 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:58:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP wireless? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <437DDE23.6040800@maltzen.net> Doubtful. I think the consensus these days is that one should use a gigabit card for eth0. Using a 100Mbit card for eth0 will work for up to perhaps 10 or 15 clients, but even that assumes you are using a switch which keeps each client's traffic separate from all others. Wireless is shared bandwidth, and loses more of its bandwidth to overhead. Even with 802.11g and proprietary compression, you won't get anywhere near fast ethernet's 100Mbit (which doesn't really deliver 100Mbit either). If you want to do wireless, I'd suggest having a few clients connect via wire to an access point that is in bridging mode, and have one card in the server for each access point, and put each AP/wireless-card-in-server pair on a different channel. There are 11 channels to choose from but they overlap, so to get enough 'space' between the channels, you really only can use channels 1,6, and 11. That means you can support three APs. That's using 802.11g which operates in the 2.4Ghz band. Then if you repeat that setup using 802.11a equipment, which operates in the 5Ghz band, but isn't as commonly found, you should be able to add a few more. I'm doubtful that you'll get to 25 clients, though. I'd start small, with say five clients and then work up from there. Oh, and having the clients work directly with a wireless card will be hard. The client boot image only supports one or two cards, and hasn't been updated for a while. You'll have more success if you run a wire from the client to an access point which then connects to the server. Petre Dan Hopson wrote: > OK...I guess what I am wanting to do is have a wireless NIC only on eth0 > and wireless NICs in the terminal machines...is this feasible with 25 > terminals? > > Dan. > > >> From: Petre Scheie >> Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP wireless? >> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:53:48 -0600 >> >> Perhaps but not necessarily; there are a lot of cards out there. >> Since you reference eth0 and eth1, are you thinking of putting >> wireless cards in the server? I see two problems with that plan: 1) >> wireless bandwidth, which is shared, won't handle many client >> connections before it gets saturated; 2) running a wireless card in >> the server suggests you want to try wireless clients, which isn't very >> feasible at this point. A package was made a year or two ago that >> would work with some wireless client cards, but the list is quite >> short. It's kind of a catch-22: to talk to the wireless card, there >> has to be support for PCMCIA, but to do that you have to have a kernel >> loaded, but to load a kernel you have to have networking working which >> means supporting PCMCIA, and so on. >> >> More information on what you want to do would be helpful. Tell us >> what you have in mind. >> >> Petre >> >> Dan Hopson wrote: >> >>> I am just getting started with Linux networking. Will K12LTSP work >>> with all wireless NICs on both eth0 and eth1? >>> >>> Thanks, Dan. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Nov 18 14:11:14 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:11:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <1132271879.3281.18.camel@localhost> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> <1132264102.27133.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117220409.M54553@winonacotter.org> <1132267265.30319.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1132271879.3281.18.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20051118141005.M54594@winonacotter.org> > Do you have the panel at all? You said at the beginning that the top > and bottom menus are missing -- do you mean the entire panels on top > and botom (including clock, taskbar, pager, etc) are not showing up? > > If so, when you log in and run ps ax |grep panel, are there any > gnome-panel's running? All I have is solid gray bars on top and bottom. I am going to try Les' suggestions and then I'll try ps ax | grep panel and see what shows and report back. Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Nov 18 14:46:04 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:46:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <1132271879.3281.18.camel@localhost> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> <1132264102.27133.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117220409.M54553@winonacotter.org> <1132267265.30319.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1132271879.3281.18.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20051118144318.M31860@winonacotter.org> > If so, when you log in and run ps ax |grep panel, are there any > gnome-panel's running? Here are the results: [jim at ltsp bin]$ ps ax | grep panel 12060 ? Ssl 0:00 gnome-panel --sm-client-id default2 12075 ? Ss 0:00 pam-panel-icon --sm-client-id default0 12263 ? Ssl 0:02 gnome-panel --sm-client-id default2 12277 ? Ss 0:00 pam-panel-icon --sm-client-id default0 12340 pts/2 S+ 0:00 grep panel -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Fri Nov 18 14:48:06 2005 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 06:48:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <20051118141005.M54594@winonacotter.org> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> <1132264102.27133.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117220409.M54553@winonacotter.org> <1132267265.30319.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1132271879.3281.18.camel@localhost> <20051118141005.M54594@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1132325286.3409.22.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 08:11 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Do you have the panel at all? You said at the beginning that the top > > and bottom menus are missing -- do you mean the entire panels on top > > and botom (including clock, taskbar, pager, etc) are not showing up? > > > > If so, when you log in and run ps ax |grep panel, are there any > > gnome-panel's running? > > All I have is solid gray bars on top and bottom. I am going to try Les' > suggestions and then I'll try ps ax | grep panel and see what shows and report > back. > Solid grey bars sound as though the panel has started but is either stuck in some infinite loop or the applets that draw things on the panel aren't able to load. Try right clicking on one of the grey bars and see if the panel's right click menu (Add to panel, delete panel, etc) comes up. That'll tell us if the panel is processing events or if it's stuck. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Nov 18 14:53:20 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:53:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <1132267265.30319.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> <1132264102.27133.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117220409.M54553@winonacotter.org> <1132267265.30319.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20051118144616.M59435@winonacotter.org> > That part still doesn't make sense unless root isn't root. Can you > log in as root, cd to the mounted home dir and create and chown files? > > Anyway you should be able to unmount home, create a user locally, > cp -a that home director to /tmp, mount /home and put it back > with cp -a. > > Did you disable SELinux on both boxes? I have always disabled the firewall and SE Linux on any install. I can create and delete file from the nfs mount with no problems as root or any of the logged in users. I just don't get the stupid menus. I did as stated above and disconnected nfs, I then copied all files by "cd /home/joeuser" then "cp -aR . /tmp/template". Then I mounted nfs and did "cd /tmp/template" then "cp -aR . /home/jim" and said yes to all of the overwrites (should have made it cp -aRf or something). Then I did "chown jim.jim /home/jim" and fixed the permissions. I log in and still no stupid menus. This has to be something simple. Does anyone give me example of their /etc/fstab and /etc/exports that is working for this setup? I don't get it, I swear I have done this before without any problems. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Nov 18 14:55:13 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:55:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <1132325286.3409.22.camel@localhost> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> <1132264102.27133.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117220409.M54553@winonacotter.org> <1132267265.30319.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1132271879.3281.18.camel@localhost> <20051118141005.M54594@winonacotter.org> <1132325286.3409.22.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20051118145359.M81539@winonacotter.org> > Solid grey bars sound as though the panel has started but is either > stuck in some infinite loop or the applets that draw things on the panel > aren't able to load. Try right clicking on one of the grey bars and > see if the panel's right click menu (Add to panel, delete panel, etc) > comes up. That'll tell us if the panel is processing events or if > it's stuck. Nothing. I could right click all day and only exhaust my fingers :-) I did notice I do have a small blip in the lower left hand edge of the bottom bar. If I click this it does minimize any open windows. Other than that everything is blank and no right click action. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Nov 18 14:57:04 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:57:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <20051118145359.M81539@winonacotter.org> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> <1132264102.27133.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117220409.M54553@winonacotter.org> <1132267265.30319.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1132271879.3281.18.camel@localhost> <20051118141005.M54594@winonacotter.org> <1132325286.3409.22.camel@localhost> <20051118145359.M81539@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20051118145537.M5804@winonacotter.org> On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:55:13 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote > > Solid grey bars sound as though the panel has started but is either > > stuck in some infinite loop or the applets that draw things on the panel > > aren't able to load. Try right clicking on one of the grey bars and > > see if the panel's right click menu (Add to panel, delete panel, etc) > > comes up. That'll tell us if the panel is processing events or if > > it's stuck. > > Nothing. I could right click all day and only exhaust my fingers :-) > I did notice I do have a small blip in the lower left hand edge of > the bottom bar. If I click this it does minimize any open windows. > Other than that everything is blank and no right click action. I might add that this happens from both terminals and when sitting in front of the actual server. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Fri Nov 18 15:24:15 2005 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:24:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <20051118145537.M5804@winonacotter.org> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> <1132264102.27133.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117220409.M54553@winonacotter.org> <1132267265.30319.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1132271879.3281.18.camel@localhost> <20051118141005.M54594@winonacotter.org> <1132325286.3409.22.camel@localhost> <20051118145359.M81539@winonacotter.org> <20051118145537.M5804@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1132327456.3409.45.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 08:57 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:55:13 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote > > > Solid grey bars sound as though the panel has started but is either > > > stuck in some infinite loop or the applets that draw things on the panel > > > aren't able to load. Try right clicking on one of the grey bars and > > > see if the panel's right click menu (Add to panel, delete panel, etc) > > > comes up. That'll tell us if the panel is processing events or if > > > it's stuck. > > > > Nothing. I could right click all day and only exhaust my fingers :-) > > I did notice I do have a small blip in the lower left hand edge of > > the bottom bar. If I click this it does minimize any open windows. > > Other than that everything is blank and no right click action. > > I might add that this happens from both terminals and when sitting in front of > the actual server. > ...but will, IIRC, work when sitting on the nfs server. And root's account (which is not in the nfs home) works. So there's something happening related to nfs. Guesses: Is the user's home directory set correctly? So /etc/passwd has /home/jimuser, for instance, and the nfs home directories are mounted on /home? Next stage in diagnostics: strace one of the hung processes to see what it's waiting for. For instance, ps aux|grep gnome-panel |grep [testuser] Get the panel's process id. strace -p [pid] See if the panel is waiting for some file. move the mouse over a panel and see if it does anything. right click on it. etc. We're trying to provoke the panel into telling us that there's some file that it cannot access in the nfs situation. Hmmm... do I recall that useradd also didn't work? straceing that might be even better than stracing the panel. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From admin at bookpeople.com Fri Nov 18 17:10:45 2005 From: admin at bookpeople.com (David Neimeyer) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:10:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard client requests Message-ID: <1132333846.4854.47.camel@ws016.ltsp> I'm hoping to get some clarification: Whether or not you are running a transparent proxy or not, there is no way, outside of local apps, for ltsp clients to make unique address requests to squid/squidGuard? or to put it another way: We have several clients, all serving different individuals with different needs & privileges. We require all individuals to go through squid/squidGuard, however without local apps, their requests will be issued from the ltsp server, not the client/originating mac or ip address. How does one solve this problem without local apps? Many Thanks, -dave -- David Neimeyer BookPeople, Inc. Systems Administrator 603 N. Lamar Austin, TX 78703 800-853-9757 x 402 From petre at maltzen.net Fri Nov 18 17:22:51 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:22:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard client requests In-Reply-To: <1132333846.4854.47.camel@ws016.ltsp> References: <1132333846.4854.47.camel@ws016.ltsp> Message-ID: <437E0DEB.7040705@maltzen.net> Depending on how many different classifications of users & privileges you have, you could use dedicated app servers, one for each class. Then, depending on a given user's class, the icon for launching Firefox would call FF on the appropriate app server, and you could build your block lists on squidGuard based on the address of each app server. I can elaborate on this if necessary. Since the app servers are running just one app, FF, they don't need to be as speedy or have as much RAM as the terminal server; so older boxes, if you have them, might suffice for an app server. I can elaborate if you need. Petre David Neimeyer wrote: > I'm hoping to get some clarification: > > Whether or not you are running a transparent proxy or not, there is no > way, outside of local apps, for ltsp clients to make unique address > requests to squid/squidGuard? > > or to put it another way: > > We have several clients, all serving different individuals with > different needs & privileges. We require all individuals to go through > squid/squidGuard, however without local apps, their requests will be > issued from the ltsp server, not the client/originating mac or ip > address. How does one solve this problem without local apps? > > Many Thanks, > -dave From petre at maltzen.net Fri Nov 18 17:29:20 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:29:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard client requests In-Reply-To: <437E0DEB.7040705@maltzen.net> References: <1132333846.4854.47.camel@ws016.ltsp> <437E0DEB.7040705@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <437E0F70.8070407@maltzen.net> Petre Scheie wrote: >I can elaborate on this if necessary. Since the app ... > > ...an app server. I can elaborate if you need. > > Petre > One should *thoroughly* proofread messages before sending. :-/ From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 18:10:02 2005 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:10:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Blog/CMS for student use In-Reply-To: <1132257261.23231.62.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <69b790a80511171051v119188d9rc0dd13ad6465d33a@mail.gmail.com> <1132257261.23231.62.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <69b790a80511181010r37442f0fr755537baf89aa6e2@mail.gmail.com> On 11/17/05, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 12:51, Roger wrote: > > Anybody looked at a CMS or Blog software for use in an academic setting? > > > > Ideally, it would have some sort of preview function by the teacher > > before publishing. > > > > I looked at wordpress, but that doesn't seem to have the ability to > > preview by a higher authority before publishing. > > This might be overkill and would need a little custom work for the > 'publisher' to do what you want but you could turn it into a > full-featured news service: http://www.bricolage.cc/ I had looked at wordpress, but it didn't have a very easy method to allow moderation. After digging through their docs, I discovered a plugin. The plugin lets you set a level for posts that require moderation, then another level that lets you set which level can moderate. So, I set level 2 and below needing moderation. then set new students to level 2. Now, when they 'publish' a story, it's held for moderation. Then, you set the teachers at level 5. and allow 5s to moderate stories. I could have set teachers to 8 or 9, then the teachers would have been able to see which student wrote the article. I didn't want that, because then it also opens up what the teachers can do at the site. I didn't want them to start mucking with the workings of the site. Making them 5s, just lets them view and edit posts, they can also create new users. Roger From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Nov 18 18:44:57 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:44:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <1132327456.3409.45.camel@localhost> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> <1132264102.27133.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117220409.M54553@winonacotter.org> <1132267265.30319.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1132271879.3281.18.camel@localhost> <20051118141005.M54594@winonacotter.org> <1132325286.3409.22.camel@localhost> <20051118145359.M81539@winonacotter.org> <20051118145537.M5804@winonacotter.org> <1132327456.3409.45.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20051118184204.M85807@winonacotter.org> > ...but will, IIRC, work when sitting on the nfs server. And root's > account (which is not in the nfs home) works. So there's something > happening related to nfs. > > Guesses: Is the user's home directory set correctly? So /etc/passwd > has /home/jimuser, for instance, and the nfs home directories are > mounted on /home? > > Next stage in diagnostics: strace one of the hung processes to see what > it's waiting for. For instance, > ps aux|grep gnome-panel |grep [testuser] > Get the panel's process id. > strace -p [pid] > See if the panel is waiting for some file. > move the mouse over a panel and see if it does anything. > right click on it. > etc. > > We're trying to provoke the panel into telling us that there's some file > that it cannot access in the nfs situation. > > Hmmm... do I recall that useradd also didn't work? straceing that might > be even better than stracing the panel. Here is the results of the strace tests: [jim at ltsp bin]$ ps aux|grep gnome-panel | grep jim jim 4053 0.4 0.4 23028 9788 ? Ssl 12:33 0:00 gnome-panel --sm-client-id default2 jim 4152 0.0 0.0 3760 672 pts/2 S+ 12:35 0:00 grep gnome-panel [jim at ltsp bin]$ strace -p 4053 Process 4053 attached - interrupt to quit nanosleep({0, 200000000}, {0, 3214804184}) = 0 fcntl64(29, F_SETLK, {type=F_WRLCK, whence=SEEK_CUR, start=0, len=0} Nothing more happens when left/right clicking on the menus. It just sits idle. Home directory is set correctly in /etc/passwd and /home is mounted with the users folders and is also completely browseable and editable. It even mounts the correct user home directory when logging in. I can browse the file directories like /usr/bin/gnome-terminal and run apps. I can edit, delete and add files. Just no menus. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Fri Nov 18 19:10:31 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:10:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <20051118184204.M85807@winonacotter.org> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> <1132264102.27133.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117220409.M54553@winonacotter.org> <1132267265.30319.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1132271879.3281.18.camel@localhost> <20051118141005.M54594@winonacotter.org> <1132325286.3409.22.camel@localhost> <20051118145359.M81539@winonacotter.org> <20051118145537.M5804@winonacotter.org> <1132327456.3409.45.camel@localhost> <20051118184204.M85807@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <437E2727.9080804@maltzen.net> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>...but will, IIRC, work when sitting on the nfs server. And root's >>account (which is not in the nfs home) works. So there's something >>happening related to nfs. >> >>Guesses: Is the user's home directory set correctly? So /etc/passwd >>has /home/jimuser, for instance, and the nfs home directories are >>mounted on /home? >> >>Next stage in diagnostics: strace one of the hung processes to see what >>it's waiting for. For instance, >> ps aux|grep gnome-panel |grep [testuser] >> Get the panel's process id. >> strace -p [pid] >> See if the panel is waiting for some file. >> move the mouse over a panel and see if it does anything. >> right click on it. >> etc. >> >>We're trying to provoke the panel into telling us that there's some file >>that it cannot access in the nfs situation. >> >>Hmmm... do I recall that useradd also didn't work? straceing that might >>be even better than stracing the panel. > > > Here is the results of the strace tests: > > [jim at ltsp bin]$ ps aux|grep gnome-panel | grep jim > jim 4053 0.4 0.4 23028 9788 ? Ssl 12:33 0:00 gnome-panel > --sm-client-id default2 > jim 4152 0.0 0.0 3760 672 pts/2 S+ 12:35 0:00 grep gnome-panel > [jim at ltsp bin]$ strace -p 4053 > Process 4053 attached - interrupt to quit > nanosleep({0, 200000000}, {0, 3214804184}) = 0 > fcntl64(29, F_SETLK, {type=F_WRLCK, whence=SEEK_CUR, start=0, len=0} > > Nothing more happens when left/right clicking on the menus. It just sits idle. > > Home directory is set correctly in /etc/passwd and /home is mounted with the > users folders and is also completely browseable and editable. It even mounts > the correct user home directory when logging in. I can browse the file > directories like /usr/bin/gnome-terminal and run apps. I can edit, delete and > add files. Just no menus. > > Just for laughs, have you tried selecting IceWM or KDE at login to see if they behave differently? From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Nov 18 19:28:20 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:28:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <437E2727.9080804@maltzen.net> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> <1132264102.27133.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117220409.M54553@winonacotter.org> <1132267265.30319.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1132271879.3281.18.camel@localhost> <20051118141005.M54594@winonacotter.org> <1132325286.3409.22.camel@localhost> <20051118145359.M81539@winonacotter.org> <20051118145537.M5804@winonacotter.org> <1132327456.3409.45.camel@localhost> <20051118184204.M85807@winonacotter.org> <437E2727.9080804@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20051118192618.M7192@winonacotter.org> > Just for laughs, have you tried selecting IceWM or KDE at login to > see if they behave differently? KDE gets to the toolbox icon in the loading process, hangs for a while, then goes to a blank blue screen for eternity. IceWM logs in perfect, so it appears, the start bar is present but very bare for icons. This must be some sort of stupid permission problem. Anyone have their step by step for /etc/exports and /etc/fstab? Maybe even the list of steps for syncing the user files? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Nov 18 19:29:46 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:29:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <437E2727.9080804@maltzen.net> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> <1132264102.27133.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117220409.M54553@winonacotter.org> <1132267265.30319.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1132271879.3281.18.camel@localhost> <20051118141005.M54594@winonacotter.org> <1132325286.3409.22.camel@localhost> <20051118145359.M81539@winonacotter.org> <20051118145537.M5804@winonacotter.org> <1132327456.3409.45.camel@localhost> <20051118184204.M85807@winonacotter.org> <437E2727.9080804@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20051118192912.M80823@winonacotter.org> > Just for laughs, have you tried selecting IceWM or KDE at login to > see if they behave differently? I don't know if it helps but I found this list of messages in /var/log/messages: Nov 18 13:12:40 ltsp gdm(pam_unix)[3075]: session opened for user jim by (uid=0) Nov 18 13:12:40 ltsp gdm[3075]: gdm_auth_user_add: /home/jim/.Xauthority is writable by group. Nov 18 13:12:42 ltsp gconfd (jim-3161): starting (version 2.10.0), pid 3161 user 'jim' Nov 18 13:12:42 ltsp gconfd (jim-3161): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only configuration source at position 0 Nov 18 13:12:42 ltsp gconfd (jim-3161): Resolved address "xml:readwrite:/home/jim/.gconf" to a writable configuration source at position 1 Nov 18 13:12:42 ltsp gconfd (jim-3161): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" to a read-only configuration source at position 2 Nov 18 13:12:50 ltsp gconfd (jim-3161): Resolved address "xml:readwrite:/home/jim/.gconf" to a writable configuration source at position 0 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Fri Nov 18 19:43:29 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:43:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <20051118192912.M80823@winonacotter.org> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> <1132264102.27133.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117220409.M54553@winonacotter.org> <1132267265.30319.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1132271879.3281.18.camel@localhost> <20051118141005.M54594@winonacotter.org> <1132325286.3409.22.camel@localhost> <20051118145359.M81539@winonacotter.org> <20051118145537.M5804@winonacotter.org> <1132327456.3409.45.camel@localhost> <20051118184204.M85807@winonacotter.org> <437E2727.9080804@maltzen.net> <20051118192912.M80823@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <437E2EE1.9050107@maltzen.net> Here's a guess out of left field: can your terminal server resolve the name & address of the server providing /home? And vice-versa: can the /home server resolve the name & address of the terminal server? Do they both have themselves and the other in their respective /etc/hosts file? I've run into strange problems with NFS from time to time that turned out to be DNS/name resolution related. Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Just for laughs, have you tried selecting IceWM or KDE at login to >>see if they behave differently? > > > I don't know if it helps but I found this list of messages in /var/log/messages: > > Nov 18 13:12:40 ltsp gdm(pam_unix)[3075]: session opened for user jim by (uid=0) > Nov 18 13:12:40 ltsp gdm[3075]: gdm_auth_user_add: /home/jim/.Xauthority is > writable by group. > Nov 18 13:12:42 ltsp gconfd (jim-3161): starting (version 2.10.0), pid 3161 > user 'jim' > Nov 18 13:12:42 ltsp gconfd (jim-3161): Resolved address > "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only configuration > source at position 0 > Nov 18 13:12:42 ltsp gconfd (jim-3161): Resolved address > "xml:readwrite:/home/jim/.gconf" to a writable configuration source at position 1 > Nov 18 13:12:42 ltsp gconfd (jim-3161): Resolved address > "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" to a read-only configuration > source at position 2 > Nov 18 13:12:50 ltsp gconfd (jim-3161): Resolved address > "xml:readwrite:/home/jim/.gconf" to a writable configuration source at position 0 > > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Nov 18 19:46:57 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:46:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <437E2EE1.9050107@maltzen.net> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> <1132264102.27133.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117220409.M54553@winonacotter.org> <1132267265.30319.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1132271879.3281.18.camel@localhost> <20051118141005.M54594@winonacotter.org> <1132325286.3409.22.camel@localhost> <20051118145359.M81539@winonacotter.org> <20051118145537.M5804@winonacotter.org> <1132327456.3409.45.camel@localhost> <20051118184204.M85807@winonacotter.org> <437E2727.9080804@maltzen.net> <20051118192912.M80823@winonacotter.org> <437E2EE1.9050107@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20051118194618.M55229@winonacotter.org> On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:43:29 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote > Here's a guess out of left field: can your terminal server resolve > the name & address of the server providing /home? And vice-versa: > can the /home server resolve the name & address of the terminal > server? Do they both have themselves and the other in their > respective /etc/hosts file? I've run into strange problems with NFS > from time to time that turned out to be DNS/name resolution related. No they cannot. I did not setup DNS yet. I have NFS mounted via IP to hopefully avoid this. I will setup DNS quick and see if that helps. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Fri Nov 18 19:49:42 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:49:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <20051118184204.M85807@winonacotter.org> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> <1132264102.27133.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117220409.M54553@winonacotter.org> <1132267265.30319.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1132271879.3281.18.camel@localhost> <20051118141005.M54594@winonacotter.org> <1132325286.3409.22.camel@localhost> <20051118145359.M81539@winonacotter.org> <20051118145537.M5804@winonacotter.org> <1132327456.3409.45.camel@localhost> <20051118184204.M85807@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1132343381.8273.209.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 12:44, Jim Kronebusch wrote: Does 'mount' on the NFS client side show any odd options on the NFS-mounted /home? You should only need rw, but I can't think of anything else that could be involved. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Fri Nov 18 20:13:16 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:13:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] winbind loses connection to AD server Message-ID: <437E35DC.30404@chinooksedge.ab.ca> We now have K12LTSP authenticating to our Windows 2003 Server with Active Directory. The home directory also functions as desired. BUT the ltsp box keeps losing the connect to the AD. A simple wbinfo -u command then restores the connection and users can again login. In fact this connection will at times only last a few minutes before you have to "reconnect" back to AD. we are puzzled as to why this is happening. Joe Guenther From petre at maltzen.net Fri Nov 18 20:13:45 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:13:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <20051118194618.M55229@winonacotter.org> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> <1132264102.27133.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117220409.M54553@winonacotter.org> <1132267265.30319.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1132271879.3281.18.camel@localhost> <20051118141005.M54594@winonacotter.org> <1132325286.3409.22.camel@localhost> <20051118145359.M81539@winonacotter.org> <20051118145537.M5804@winonacotter.org> <1132327456.3409.45.camel@localhost> <20051118184204.M85807@winonacotter.org> <437E2727.9080804@maltzen.net> <20051118192912.M80823@winonacotter.org> <437E2EE1.9050107@maltzen.net> <20051118194618.M55229@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <437E35F9.1000601@maltzen.net> I don't know that you need to setup BIND; I think having the correct entries in the /etc/hosts file will be sufficient. Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:43:29 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote > >>Here's a guess out of left field: can your terminal server resolve >>the name & address of the server providing /home? And vice-versa: >>can the /home server resolve the name & address of the terminal >>server? Do they both have themselves and the other in their >>respective /etc/hosts file? I've run into strange problems with NFS >>from time to time that turned out to be DNS/name resolution related. > > > No they cannot. I did not setup DNS yet. I have NFS mounted via IP to > hopefully avoid this. I will setup DNS quick and see if that helps. > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Nov 18 20:30:34 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:30:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS Mount /home....Users Menus missing In-Reply-To: <1132343381.8273.209.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20051117152728.M90955@winonacotter.org> <20051117204434.M20659@winonacotter.org> <1132261305.27133.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117210409.M45487@winonacotter.org> <1132264102.27133.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051117220409.M54553@winonacotter.org> <1132267265.30319.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1132271879.3281.18.camel@localhost> <20051118141005.M54594@winonacotter.org> <1132325286.3409.22.camel@localhost> <20051118145359.M81539@winonacotter.org> <20051118145537.M5804@winonacotter.org> <1132327456.3409.45.camel@localhost> <20051118184204.M85807@winonacotter.org> <1132343381.8273.209.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20051118201730.M76910@winonacotter.org> > Does 'mount' on the NFS client side show any odd options on the > NFS-mounted /home? You should only need rw, but I can't think of > anything else that could be involved. I just did a yum upgrade on the server that was exporting nfs to be sure it was up to speed with the mounting server and bam! It works now. Very wierd. Well thanks guys for all of your help. I hope I don't put us through this again :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dpalmerjr at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 20:53:37 2005 From: dpalmerjr at gmail.com (Darryl Palmer) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:53:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard client requests In-Reply-To: <1132333846.4854.47.camel@ws016.ltsp> References: <1132333846.4854.47.camel@ws016.ltsp> Message-ID: On 11/18/05, David Neimeyer wrote: > > I'm hoping to get some clarification: > > Whether or not you are running a transparent proxy or not, there is no > way, outside of local apps, for ltsp clients to make unique address > requests to squid/squidGuard? Ident(d) may work for you. Squid can use ident for identification, and if you are running it on your LTSP server then the TCP connections are identified by the correct user ids. I have to add that Ident is not safe 1) It can easily be spoofed. 2) Transmits valid user ids so it can make it easier for someone to hack your system. 3) May be vulnerable to buffer over/under run attacks So if you do use Ident make sure that your LTSP server is on an intranet that is protected by a firewall, also make sure you don't broadcast ident responses to people outside of your intranet or people you don't trust. Darryl Palmer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pfaffman at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 22:03:20 2005 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:03:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't download In-Reply-To: References: <36F9DD1C-02B9-4A40-94DD-4E4FCED18FD3@mac.com> Message-ID: <932609800511181403s62c330a9q66e9ff3980f48c86@mail.gmail.com> Hey folks. I'm the guy who convinced the folks at UT to host the mirror and, after noticing that stuff's not there anymore poked around here and found this message. I have contacted the guys who maintain that server. If you have further problems, please let me, as well as the sunsite folks know. I'll bug them until they come through. Though I'm not active on the list, I'm a big fan of K12LTSP & am working to help schools in Tennessee more aware of it. I'm also looking for ideas for research on K12LTSP and how it's working for people. If you have ideas for questions that might be asked or would be interested in collaborating, please let me know. -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To On 10/20/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > > > When I try to download the 4.4.1 images from UT-Knoxville, I get > > > > Parse error: parse error, unexpected ')' in /usr/local/sunsite/htdocs/ > > ftp/tigerd1/k12ltsp/4.4.1/iso/K12LTSP-4.4.1-disc1.iso on line 4032 > > > > Right clicking to save the linked file also fails. What's up? > > > > Todd > > That's a strange one. I'll fire an email to them. > > In the meantime, pick another mirror or access that one via ftp: > > ftp://sunsite.utk.edu/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.4.1/iso/ > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 23:58:38 2005 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:58:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Blog/CMS for student use In-Reply-To: <69b790a80511171051v119188d9rc0dd13ad6465d33a@mail.gmail.com> References: <69b790a80511171051v119188d9rc0dd13ad6465d33a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 11/17/05, Roger wrote: > Anybody looked at a CMS or Blog software for use in an academic setting? > > Ideally, it would have some sort of preview function by the teacher > before publishing. > > I looked at wordpress, but that doesn't seem to have the ability to > preview by a higher authority before publishing. Wordpress level 1 users can write posts, but cannot publish. It requires someone at a higher level to publish. So you can set up a blog in wordpress, make the teacher the administrator, and the students level 1 users. They can write drafts all they want, but it requires an administrator to publish. You can also set it to allow approval of all posts. They are also coming out with a multiple users version of Wordpress (http://mu.wordpress.org/), so you can run one installation for all your blogs. I hacked this into our installation of wordpress so we can use it. I really like Wordpress for it's power in it's simplicity. -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://ryancollins.org/ Humor - http://rightfullyso.com/ From odin at visdom.org Sat Nov 19 09:40:54 2005 From: odin at visdom.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Odin_Hetland_N=C3=B8se?=n) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:40:54 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Repo-problems installing "Get Flash" Message-ID: <20051119093635.M89629@visdom.org> There seems to be a problem when i try to install additional software - "Get Flash". After setting ut some sites it repeates the messages... "Setting up Package Sakcs Excluding Incompatible Archs Finished" ...about six times before quiting with error: "There was some sort of I/O error: ERROR: something went wrong with 'up2date -i --nosig flash-plugin' Aborting :-( " Something wrong with my vmware-session or the repo? (Everything else works fine.) "?" from Odin From admin at bookpeople.com Sat Nov 19 14:35:17 2005 From: admin at bookpeople.com (David Neimeyer) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:35:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard client requests In-Reply-To: References: <1132333846.4854.47.camel@ws016.ltsp> Message-ID: <1132410917.4854.64.camel@ws016.ltsp> Petre and Darryl, Thanks for the suggestions! We have too many groups to feasibly run different app servers. Ident(d) might be a solution; I'll investigate it. Again, many thanks, -Dave PS. Does anyone run identd, and what's your experience? Do you feel compromised by it's insecurities (as Darryl has pointed out)? On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 14:53 -0600, Darryl Palmer wrote: > > On 11/18/05, David Neimeyer wrote: > I'm hoping to get some clarification: > > Whether or not you are running a transparent proxy or not, > there is no > way, outside of local apps, for ltsp clients to make unique > address > requests to squid/squidGuard? > > Ident(d) may work for you. Squid can use ident for identification, > and if you are running it on your LTSP server then the TCP connections > are identified by the correct user ids. > > I have to add that Ident is not safe > 1) It can easily be spoofed. > 2) Transmits valid user ids so it can make it easier for someone to > hack your system. > 3) May be vulnerable to buffer over/under run attacks > > So if you do use Ident make sure that your LTSP server is on an > intranet that is protected by a firewall, also make sure you don't > broadcast ident responses to people outside of your intranet or people > you don't trust. > > Darryl Palmer > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- David Neimeyer BookPeople, Inc. Systems Administrator 603 N. Lamar Austin, TX 78703 800-853-9757 x 402 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Nov 19 16:00:36 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:00:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Repo-problems installing "Get Flash" In-Reply-To: <20051119093635.M89629@visdom.org> References: <20051119093635.M89629@visdom.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Nov 2005, [ISO-8859-1] Odin Hetland N??sen wrote: > There seems to be a problem when i try to install additional software - "Get Flash". > After setting ut some sites it repeates the messages... > > "Setting up Package Sakcs > Excluding Incompatible Archs > Finished" > > ...about six times before quiting with error: > > "There was some sort of I/O error: > > ERROR: something went wrong with 'up2date -i --nosig flash-plugin' > Aborting :-( > " > > Something wrong with my vmware-session or the repo? (Everything else works fine.) The macromedia repo server seems to be down. Flash is not freely re- distributable, I can't included in the k12ltsp repos - we must fetch it from the macromedia.mplug.org server. -Eric From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Sat Nov 19 17:01:51 2005 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:01:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Blog/CMS for student use In-Reply-To: References: <69b790a80511171051v119188d9rc0dd13ad6465d33a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69b790a80511190901k5e060ab3uca9f5221af1d1fa6@mail.gmail.com> On 11/18/05, Ryan Collins wrote: > Wordpress level 1 users can write posts, but cannot publish. It > requires someone at a higher level to publish. So you can set up a > blog in wordpress, make the teacher the administrator, and the > students level 1 users. They can write drafts all they want, but it > requires an administrator to publish. You can also set it to allow > approval of all posts. > > They are also coming out with a multiple users version of Wordpress > (http://mu.wordpress.org/), so you can run one installation for all > your blogs. I hacked this into our installation of wordpress so we can > use it. > > I really like Wordpress for it's power in it's simplicity. what I didn't like about the default wordpress was that you had to make the teacher an administrator so they could see who wrote which post. I wasn't too thrilled with making the teacher an administrator. Plus, how do you let the teacher know *when* a student wants their work published. A student would have no way of distinguishing between a work in progress, and a final product. the post moderation plugin lets the student click 'publish', but the article is put in a queue that require review before it goes live. The queue also lists who wrote the article. I think making the teacher a level 5 is best for our case. 5 lets them review posts and add new users. They can not change the default behaviour of the blog. roger From tuxnician at execulink.com Sat Nov 19 18:41:11 2005 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:41:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Blog/CMS for student use In-Reply-To: <69b790a80511190901k5e060ab3uca9f5221af1d1fa6@mail.gmail.com> References: <69b790a80511171051v119188d9rc0dd13ad6465d33a@mail.gmail.com> <69b790a80511190901k5e060ab3uca9f5221af1d1fa6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <437F71C7.9090506@execulink.com> I'm currently testing out tikiwiki.org It's a wiki with forums, blogs, polls etc You can have editors witch have a higher level of access but not admin access. It's very configurable and granular in it's security settings. Roger wrote: >On 11/18/05, Ryan Collins wrote: > > > >>Wordpress level 1 users can write posts, but cannot publish. It >>requires someone at a higher level to publish. So you can set up a >>blog in wordpress, make the teacher the administrator, and the >>students level 1 users. They can write drafts all they want, but it >>requires an administrator to publish. You can also set it to allow >>approval of all posts. >> >>They are also coming out with a multiple users version of Wordpress >>(http://mu.wordpress.org/), so you can run one installation for all >>your blogs. I hacked this into our installation of wordpress so we can >>use it. >> >>I really like Wordpress for it's power in it's simplicity. >> >> > >what I didn't like about the default wordpress was that you had to >make the teacher an administrator so they could see who wrote which >post. I wasn't too thrilled with making the teacher an >administrator. Plus, how do you let the teacher know *when* a >student wants their work published. A student would have no way of >distinguishing between a work in progress, and a final product. the >post moderation plugin lets the student click 'publish', but the >article is put in a queue that require review before it goes live. >The queue also lists who wrote the article. I think making the >teacher a level 5 is best for our case. 5 lets them review posts and >add new users. They can not change the default behaviour of the blog. > >roger > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From moquist at majen.net Sat Nov 19 23:40:55 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:40:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] re: winbind loses connection to AD server (Joe Guenther) In-Reply-To: <20051119170038.4962473178@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051119170038.4962473178@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20051119234055.GA26130@majen.net> > From: Joe Guenther > Subject: [K12OSN] winbind loses connection to AD server > We now have K12LTSP authenticating to our Windows 2003 Server with > Active Directory. The home directory also functions as desired. BUT > the ltsp box keeps losing the connect to the AD. A simple wbinfo -u > command then restores the connection and users can again login. In fact > this connection will at times only last a few minutes before you have to > "reconnect" back to AD. > we are puzzled as to why this is happening. I'm puzzled, too, as we had the same problem when we tried Winbind in Exeter last spring. I wish I could help more but I'm excited to see how others (cliebow?) have /not/ had this problem. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We are using winbind and authenticating against a Win2003 server with no problems and no disconnects. What version are/where you running? I wrote a new tutorial on setting up K12LTSP, authenticating against AD, and automounting home folders that are stored on the AD/Windows server that I gave to Exeter last month. Again, we aren't having any problems. -Paul Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Matt Oquist Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 6:41 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] re: winbind loses connection to AD server (Joe Guenther) > From: Joe Guenther > Subject: [K12OSN] winbind loses connection to AD server > We now have K12LTSP authenticating to our Windows 2003 Server with > Active Directory. The home directory also functions as desired. BUT > the ltsp box keeps losing the connect to the AD. A simple wbinfo -u > command then restores the connection and users can again login. In fact > this connection will at times only last a few minutes before you have to > "reconnect" back to AD. > we are puzzled as to why this is happening. I'm puzzled, too, as we had the same problem when we tried Winbind in Exeter last spring. I wish I could help more but I'm excited to see how others (cliebow?) have /not/ had this problem. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Nov 20 01:23:22 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:23:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] slow as molasses Message-ID: <9bd317560511191723l11e4944av86acac9751916fb7@mail.gmail.com> I set up this qmail server a while back and was just about to put it in service. Now when I start it up it's INCREDIBLY slow. Like 10 minutes to boot. Really. One might almost think it's frozen but it's just running really slowly. Launching FireFox takes 30 seconds. I haven't made any software changes recently. The cpu usage is fine and I'm not inclined to think it's heat related. I think maybe it's the drive but I can't seem to make a bootable dd image. Has anyone had any experiences like this? Is there any way of saving this installation or can anyone suggest things I could check to find out what's wrong? I've got MANY hours invested in this machine. Gratefully yours, Peter From h.pillay at ieee.org Sun Nov 20 01:43:33 2005 From: h.pillay at ieee.org (Harish Pillay) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:43:33 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] slow as molasses In-Reply-To: <9bd317560511191723l11e4944av86acac9751916fb7@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560511191723l11e4944av86acac9751916fb7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 11/20/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I set up this qmail server a while back and was just about to put it > in service. Now when I start it up it's INCREDIBLY slow. Like 10 > minutes to boot. Really. One might almost think it's frozen but it's > just running really slowly. Launching FireFox takes 30 seconds. I > haven't made any software changes recently. The cpu usage is fine and > I'm not inclined to think it's heat related. I think maybe it's the > drive but I can't seem to make a bootable dd image. Has anyone had > any experiences like this? Is there any way of saving this > installation or can anyone suggest things I could check to find out > what's wrong? I've got MANY hours invested in this machine. You might want to check the domain name resolution of your system. I am quite sure that the delays are related to the DNS resolutions timnig out. Harish From robark at gmail.com Sun Nov 20 04:55:16 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:55:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Win2003 Terminal Server licensing Message-ID: Does anyone have experience/ knowledge of what licensing you have pay for with MS win2003 terminal server if you use Rdesktop with the linux thin clients? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Sun Nov 20 05:24:30 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:24:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Win2003 Terminal Server licensing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11/19/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Does anyone have experience/ knowledge of what licensing you have pay > for with MS win2003 terminal server if you use Rdesktop with the linux > thin clients? Windows Server 2003 User CALs for each user Terminal Services CALS I believe there have been some other threads that have detailed this. Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sun Nov 20 05:08:06 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 00:08:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Win2003 Terminal Server licensing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200511200539.jAK5ddLW007277@mx3.redhat.com> Robert, Yes. You need to buy a terminal CAL for each connection you will have at one time to the server. So if you expect to have 20 connections max at a time, then you will need to buy 20 terminal CALs. If you expect 5, then you will need to buy 5 CALs and so on. So for each rdesktop connection you have to the Windows 2003 Terminal Server you need to have a equivalent TS CAL. Hope this helps. -Paul Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Robert Arkiletian Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 11:55 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Win2003 Terminal Server licensing Does anyone have experience/ knowledge of what licensing you have pay for with MS win2003 terminal server if you use Rdesktop with the linux thin clients? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From robark at gmail.com Sun Nov 20 07:18:23 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 23:18:23 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Win2003 Terminal Server licensing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11/19/05, Steve Hargadon wrote: > > Windows Server 2003 > User CALs for each user What if you have just 32 thin client boxes but have 1000 users. Let's say every student in the school has a user account. Does this mean you need 1000 User Cals. > Terminal Services CALS I'm assuming you need 30 Terminal Services CALS for 30 boxes. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Sun Nov 20 08:39:04 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 00:39:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Win2003 Terminal Server licensing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > What if you have just 32 thin client boxes but have 1000 users. Let's > say every student in the school has a user account. Does this mean you > need 1000 User Cals. > >From http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/overview.mspx New user-based CAL. Microsoft is introducing a new type of Windows CAL. In addition to existing device-based CALs (Device CAL), a user-based CAL (User CAL) will be available for purchase. You can choose to purchase a Windows Device CAL for every device accessing your servers, or you can purchase a Windows User CAL for every named user accessing your servers. By having two types of Windows CALs, you are able to use the model that makes sense for your organization. For example, purchasing a Windows User CAL might make more sense if your company has a need for employees to have roaming access using multiple devices. Windows Device CALs may make more sense if your company has multiple-shift workers who share devices. Similarly, Terminal Server (TS) will offer both device-based and user-based CALs: TS Device CAL and TS User CAL. -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sun Nov 20 20:32:43 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:32:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ADS Authentication Script Message-ID: <200511202109.jAKL9pM4023531@mx1.redhat.com> All, I am interested in someone turning my tutorial into an interactive script. I am far from a pro scripter as my focus is heavy networking and all services that run on them. If anyone is interested in the possibility of creating an ADS Authenticating Script please contact me. Thanks. -Paul Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Nov 20 21:27:35 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:27:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] slow as molasses In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560511191723l11e4944av86acac9751916fb7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560511201327h76e19793o68ff77240cd98ff0@mail.gmail.com> Wow! That's unbelievable. Harish, thanks so much! I wonder what the specifics are relating to this. How did you track that one down yourself? Peter On 11/19/05, Harish Pillay wrote: > On 11/20/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > I set up this qmail server a while back and was just about to put it > > in service. Now when I start it up it's INCREDIBLY slow. Like 10 > > minutes to boot. Really. One might almost think it's frozen but it's > > just running really slowly. Launching FireFox takes 30 seconds. I > > haven't made any software changes recently. The cpu usage is fine and > > I'm not inclined to think it's heat related. I think maybe it's the > > drive but I can't seem to make a bootable dd image. Has anyone had > > any experiences like this? Is there any way of saving this > > installation or can anyone suggest things I could check to find out > > what's wrong? I've got MANY hours invested in this machine. > > You might want to check the domain name resolution > of your system. I am quite sure that the delays are > related to the DNS resolutions timnig out. > > Harish > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Mon Nov 21 01:23:07 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:23:07 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Microsoft Win2003 Terminal Server licensing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200511202023.07541.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Saturday 19 November 2005 23:55, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Does anyone have experience/ knowledge of what licensing you have pay > for with MS win2003 terminal server if you use Rdesktop with the linux > thin clients? > Besides the Terminal CAL's that the others are mentioning you also need a Windows client license for each linux thin client. Microsoft requires that each client have a client OS license. I know from my own network that WindowsNT licenses qualify, but older Windows OS's do not so if you already have licenses, such as Windows98 you will have to check to see if these qualify. John -- Thanks, John From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Mon Nov 21 02:36:22 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:36:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] re: winbind loses connection to AD server (Joe Guenther) In-Reply-To: <200511200059.jAK0xJRb003557@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200511200059.jAK0xJRb003557@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <438132A6.2010707@chinooksedge.ab.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hackl at bsd.sk.ca Mon Nov 21 02:30:56 2005 From: hackl at bsd.sk.ca (Ryan Hackl - Spiritwood High) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:30:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] openOffice 1.1.4 doesn't start Message-ID: <20051121022859.M40175@bsd.sk.ca> Hi! We have some users for whom openOffice 1.1.4 doesn't start up (using k12LTSP 4.1.1) They click the icon, and nothing happens. I've killed their open processes by killing the PIDS, but still nothing. Any ideas where to start troubleshooting? - Ryan Hackl Technical Coordinator Battlefords School Division From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Mon Nov 21 13:16:31 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (James P Schwankl) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:16:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: slow as molasses Message-ID: <20051121131631.bde2d3e9@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> Peter wrote: > Now when I start it up it's INCREDIBLY slow. Like 10 > minutes to boot. Really. One might almost think it's frozen but it's > just running really slowly. Launching FireFox takes 30 seconds. I > haven't made any software changes recently. The cpu usage is fine and > I'm not inclined to think it's heat related. I think maybe it's the > drive but I can't seem to make a bootable dd image. Has anyone had > any experiences like this? Peter, I once had a client call me to fix a machine that was molasses-like. The had gone into the BIOS and changed a cpu setting to Compatibility Mode. I doubt that's your problem, but thought I'd mention it anyway cause the symptoms match. Peace, Jimmy Schwankl +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Always proofread carefully to see if you any words out. ****This Message was sent through the Chatham County Schools E-Mail Server**** All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Nov 21 13:36:46 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:36:46 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Microsoft Win2003 Terminal Server licensing In-Reply-To: <200511202023.07541.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> References: <200511202023.07541.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: On Nov 20, 2005, at 8:23 PM, John Hansknecht wrote: > Besides the Terminal CAL's that the others are mentioning you also > need a > Windows client license for each linux thin client. That's actually where the savings comes in when using Linux. You don't need a client license for the local thin client because you're not running Windows on the local client. I worked with Microsoft on TS2003 licensing, and I had to purchase a CAL and a TSCAL for each connection made. I chose user licensing, because it was for just my staff members. If it was for a specific lab, I'd have gone with device licensing. The client license is needed if you boot from *windows* (like win98) and start a client session with the actual "Remote Desktop Client" from Microsoft. If you are using Linux and rdesktop, there is no local windows install to need a client for. I'm very certain on that, because I spoke in length with Microsoft when we had are big rollout. -Shawn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stegil at hotmail.com Mon Nov 21 13:56:22 2005 From: stegil at hotmail.com (steve gilmore) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:56:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Win2003 Terminal Server licensing References: Message-ID: I would suggest you get windows cals , but when registering them via the server, do it as a device. Thus if you have 30 thinclients= 30 devices. Irregardless of how many users you have. If you only have 30 thinclients, only 30 can connect at any one time. SteveG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Arkiletian" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 11:55 PM Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Win2003 Terminal Server licensing > Does anyone have experience/ knowledge of what licensing you have pay > for with MS win2003 terminal server if you use Rdesktop with the linux > thin clients? > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Nov 21 14:03:43 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:03:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] openOffice 1.1.4 doesn't start In-Reply-To: <20051121022859.M40175@bsd.sk.ca> References: <20051121022859.M40175@bsd.sk.ca> Message-ID: <338519EE-190E-428B-81C6-8436DF1943B6@inlandlakes.org> On Nov 20, 2005, at 9:30 PM, Ryan Hackl - Spiritwood High wrote: > We have some users for whom openOffice 1.1.4 doesn't start up > (using k12LTSP Usually killing any stray instances of the running program does the trick (sometimes kill -9 is required to really kill it). Every once and a while, however, I find I need to delete their .openoffice folder as well (from their home directory). Usually the first does the trick (but often with the -9 flag). If not, the second does the trick. At least for me... -Shawn From petre at maltzen.net Mon Nov 21 14:04:47 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:04:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] openOffice 1.1.4 doesn't start In-Reply-To: <20051121022859.M40175@bsd.sk.ca> References: <20051121022859.M40175@bsd.sk.ca> Message-ID: <4381D3FF.2030409@maltzen.net> Try opening a terminal session and calling OOo within that to see what happens. Ryan Hackl - Spiritwood High wrote: > Hi! > > We have some users for whom openOffice 1.1.4 doesn't start up (using k12LTSP > 4.1.1) > > They click the icon, and nothing happens. I've killed their open processes > by killing the PIDS, but still nothing. > > Any ideas where to start troubleshooting? > > - Ryan Hackl > Technical Coordinator > Battlefords School Division > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 17:20:08 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:20:08 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Win2003 Terminal Server licensing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you all for your responses. I understand the licensing options/requirements much better now. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Nov 22 02:05:20 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:35:20 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] openOffice 1.1.4 doesn't start In-Reply-To: <338519EE-190E-428B-81C6-8436DF1943B6@inlandlakes.org> References: <20051121022859.M40175@bsd.sk.ca> <338519EE-190E-428B-81C6-8436DF1943B6@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <774593a20511211805n65152eebv304bd8fe6ba97a11@mail.gmail.com> On 11/21/05, Shawn Powers wrote: > On Nov 20, 2005, at 9:30 PM, Ryan Hackl - Spiritwood High wrote: > > We have some users for whom openOffice 1.1.4 doesn't start up > > (using k12LTSP > > Usually killing any stray instances of the running program does the > trick (sometimes kill -9 is required to really kill it). > > Every once and a while, however, I find I need to delete > their .openoffice folder as well (from their home directory). > > Usually the first does the trick (but often with the -9 flag). If > not, the second does the trick. At least for me... Setting purge user process is more effective as it does the same automatically every time user logs out. See /etc/sysconfig/K12LTSP -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From dan_hopson at hotmail.com Tue Nov 22 03:07:26 2005 From: dan_hopson at hotmail.com (Dan Hopson) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:07:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP wireless? In-Reply-To: <437DDE23.6040800@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Thanks for your help Petre...I was just looking for a shortcut from having to run UTP to all the stations in the lab. As I was reading your response, another question came to mind. Presently, I have access to a Windows-based lab of 16 stations that are all plugged into a 24-port 10/100 switch. A single 100 Mbps UTP line, connected to our school server, comes into the 24-port switch. I would like to attempt to boot these stations to the K12LTSP server to see how it will handle the 16 stations simultaneously. Here's my question: Can I simply plug the K12LTSP server (both eth0 and eth1) into two of the free ports on the switch and it still function as an on demand server whenever the lab stations are booted with a K12LTSP floppy? If this is possible, I can still boot to Windows via the hard drive on each lab station. I teach Introduction to Networking in high school and this would allow me to teach both Windows and Linux networking. Thanks again to the group! Dan. >From: Petre Scheie >Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP wireless? >Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:58:59 -0600 > >Doubtful. I think the consensus these days is that one should use a >gigabit card for eth0. Using a 100Mbit card for eth0 will work for up to >perhaps 10 or 15 clients, but even that assumes you are using a switch >which keeps each client's traffic separate from all others. Wireless is >shared bandwidth, and loses more of its bandwidth to overhead. Even with >802.11g and proprietary compression, you won't get anywhere near fast >ethernet's 100Mbit (which doesn't really deliver 100Mbit either). If you >want to do wireless, I'd suggest having a few clients connect via wire to >an access point that is in bridging mode, and have one card in the server >for each access point, and put each AP/wireless-card-in-server pair on a >different channel. There are 11 channels to choose from but they overlap, >so to get enough 'space' between the channels, you really only can use >channels 1,6, and 11. That means you can support three APs. That's using >802.11g which operates in the 2.4Ghz band. Then if you repeat that setup >using 802.11a equipment, which operates in the 5Ghz band, but isn't as >commonly found, you should be able to add a few more. I'm doubtful that >you'll get to 25 clients, though. > >I'd start small, with say five clients and then work up from there. Oh, >and having the clients work directly with a wireless card will be hard. >The client boot image only supports one or two cards, and hasn't been >updated for a while. You'll have more success if you run a wire from the >client to an access point which then connects to the server. > >Petre > >Dan Hopson wrote: >>OK...I guess what I am wanting to do is have a wireless NIC only on eth0 >>and wireless NICs in the terminal machines...is this feasible with 25 >>terminals? >> >>Dan. >> >> >>>From: Petre Scheie >>>Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >>> >>>To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >>> >>>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP wireless? >>>Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:53:48 -0600 >>> >>>Perhaps but not necessarily; there are a lot of cards out there. Since >>>you reference eth0 and eth1, are you thinking of putting wireless cards >>>in the server? I see two problems with that plan: 1) wireless bandwidth, >>>which is shared, won't handle many client connections before it gets >>>saturated; 2) running a wireless card in the server suggests you want to >>>try wireless clients, which isn't very feasible at this point. A package >>>was made a year or two ago that would work with some wireless client >>>cards, but the list is quite short. It's kind of a catch-22: to talk to >>>the wireless card, there has to be support for PCMCIA, but to do that you >>>have to have a kernel loaded, but to load a kernel you have to have >>>networking working which means supporting PCMCIA, and so on. >>> >>>More information on what you want to do would be helpful. Tell us what >>>you have in mind. >>> >>>Petre >>> >>>Dan Hopson wrote: >>> >>>>I am just getting started with Linux networking. Will K12LTSP work with >>>>all wireless NICs on both eth0 and eth1? >>>> >>>>Thanks, Dan. >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Nov 22 08:48:50 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:48:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Thar she boots! Message-ID: I have first-pass packages built for the current CVS version of LTSP (to be LTSP 4.2). Not all the nifty new features are included yet, such as the ltspfs filesystem for remote device access. These packages do not install cleanly, which at this stage of the game is a feature, not a bug. If you can't figure out how to install them, you don't want to be using them ;-) Buyer beware, if it breaks you get to keep both pieces, and all those other pre-beta scary warnings... I have successfully booted one terminal off of this build, so it can't be all bad ;-) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/ltsp-4.2/ -Eric From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Nov 22 11:08:49 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:08:49 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Thar she boots! Message-ID: <200511221313.jAMDDCI24840@downeast.net> Eric!!!!ive been running 4.2 built from cvs for a week or so with nary a hiccup..Best..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From petre at maltzen.net Tue Nov 22 16:23:14 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:23:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP wireless? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <438345F2.6060702@maltzen.net> Yes, you can, but first you have to turn off the DHCP server on the K12LTSP box and add some parameters to the DHCP server on Windows server. The key piece is the 'next-server' setting, as it tells the the Linux clients where to get their kernel and root file system, etc. Read this thread and search the archives for 'next-server': https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-August/msg00716.html Dan Hopson wrote: > Thanks for your help Petre...I was just looking for a shortcut from > having to run UTP to all the stations in the lab. As I was reading your > response, another question came to mind. Presently, I have access to a > Windows-based lab of 16 stations that are all plugged into a 24-port > 10/100 switch. A single 100 Mbps UTP line, connected to our school > server, comes into the 24-port switch. I would like to attempt to boot > these stations to the K12LTSP server to see how it will handle the 16 > stations simultaneously. Here's my question: Can I simply plug the > K12LTSP server (both eth0 and eth1) into two of the free ports on the > switch and it still function as an on demand server whenever the lab > stations are booted with a K12LTSP floppy? If this is possible, I can > still boot to Windows via the hard drive on each lab station. I teach > Introduction to Networking in high school and this would allow me to > teach both Windows and Linux networking. > > Thanks again to the group! > > Dan. > > >> From: Petre Scheie >> Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP wireless? >> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:58:59 -0600 >> >> Doubtful. I think the consensus these days is that one should use a >> gigabit card for eth0. Using a 100Mbit card for eth0 will work for up >> to perhaps 10 or 15 clients, but even that assumes you are using a >> switch which keeps each client's traffic separate from all others. >> Wireless is shared bandwidth, and loses more of its bandwidth to >> overhead. Even with 802.11g and proprietary compression, you won't >> get anywhere near fast ethernet's 100Mbit (which doesn't really >> deliver 100Mbit either). If you want to do wireless, I'd suggest >> having a few clients connect via wire to an access point that is in >> bridging mode, and have one card in the server for each access point, >> and put each AP/wireless-card-in-server pair on a different channel. >> There are 11 channels to choose from but they overlap, so to get >> enough 'space' between the channels, you really only can use channels >> 1,6, and 11. That means you can support three APs. That's using >> 802.11g which operates in the 2.4Ghz band. Then if you repeat that >> setup using 802.11a equipment, which operates in the 5Ghz band, but >> isn't as commonly found, you should be able to add a few more. I'm >> doubtful that you'll get to 25 clients, though. >> >> I'd start small, with say five clients and then work up from there. >> Oh, and having the clients work directly with a wireless card will be >> hard. The client boot image only supports one or two cards, and >> hasn't been updated for a while. You'll have more success if you run >> a wire from the client to an access point which then connects to the >> server. >> >> Petre >> >> Dan Hopson wrote: >> >>> OK...I guess what I am wanting to do is have a wireless NIC only on >>> eth0 and wireless NICs in the terminal machines...is this feasible >>> with 25 terminals? >>> >>> Dan. >>> >>> >>>> From: Petre Scheie >>>> Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >>>> >>>> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP wireless? >>>> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:53:48 -0600 >>>> >>>> Perhaps but not necessarily; there are a lot of cards out there. >>>> Since you reference eth0 and eth1, are you thinking of putting >>>> wireless cards in the server? I see two problems with that plan: 1) >>>> wireless bandwidth, which is shared, won't handle many client >>>> connections before it gets saturated; 2) running a wireless card in >>>> the server suggests you want to try wireless clients, which isn't >>>> very feasible at this point. A package was made a year or two ago >>>> that would work with some wireless client cards, but the list is >>>> quite short. It's kind of a catch-22: to talk to the wireless card, >>>> there has to be support for PCMCIA, but to do that you have to have >>>> a kernel loaded, but to load a kernel you have to have networking >>>> working which means supporting PCMCIA, and so on. >>>> >>>> More information on what you want to do would be helpful. Tell us >>>> what you have in mind. >>>> >>>> Petre >>>> >>>> Dan Hopson wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am just getting started with Linux networking. Will K12LTSP work >>>>> with all wireless NICs on both eth0 and eth1? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Dan. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Tue Nov 22 16:27:30 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:27:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ADS Authentication Script In-Reply-To: <200511202109.jAKL9pM4023531@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200511202109.jAKL9pM4023531@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <438346F2.6090204@chinooksedge.ab.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <200511221313.jAMDDCI24840@downeast.net> References: <200511221313.jAMDDCI24840@downeast.net> Message-ID: <438367AC.6020709@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > Eric!!!!ive been running 4.2 built from cvs for a week or so with nary a > hiccup..Best..chuck > > I'm running my desktop at work on the 4.2 cvs now as well. Now on to getting ltpfs to work ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Nov 22 19:00:19 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:00:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Win2003 terminal server login In-Reply-To: <43837291.60906@santaz.dk> References: <43837291.60906@santaz.dk> Message-ID: Can't remember excatly what it is, but you need to enable the users to be able to use terminal services. I think I did something like add the student group or maybe even Everyone. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Nov 22 19:26:58 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:26:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Win2003 terminal server login In-Reply-To: References: <43837291.60906@santaz.dk> Message-ID: <895376E1-FBDC-4083-AEF1-20AEC8547757@inlandlakes.org> The group you need is, "Remote Desktop Users" at least in my setup (I use pGina, but still need to have users belong to that group.) Good luck, -Shawn On Nov 22, 2005, at 2:00 PM, David Trask wrote: > I think I did something like add the > student group or maybe even Everyone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From big at santaz.dk Tue Nov 22 20:40:27 2005 From: big at santaz.dk (Jesper Berth) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:40:27 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Win2003 terminal server login In-Reply-To: <895376E1-FBDC-4083-AEF1-20AEC8547757@inlandlakes.org> References: <43837291.60906@santaz.dk> <895376E1-FBDC-4083-AEF1-20AEC8547757@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4383823B.8070402@santaz.dk> Shawn Powers wrote: > The group you need is, "Remote Desktop Users" at least in my setup (I > use pGina, but still need to have users belong to that group.) > > Good luck, > -Shawn > i have tried this i think ... i did smbldap-groupadd -a "Remote Desktop Users" and then added the group to my self smbldap-usermod -g 1001 jesper Is this like it should be ?? Jesper > > On Nov 22, 2005, at 2:00 PM, David Trask wrote: > >> I think I did something like add the >> >> student group or maybe even Everyone. >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From rusty at enveloptech.com Tue Nov 22 19:43:04 2005 From: rusty at enveloptech.com (Rusty Pywtorak) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:43:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Win2003 terminal server login Message-ID: <24158152EF86D64A8E8E72628097E1A40B4FB4@exchange2k3.comlink.local> On the terminal server (not the samba server), go to computer management and find local users and groups. Check the membership of the group "Remote Desktop Users." From there either add your user account or just add the group "Domain Users" if you want everyone to be able to log in. Rusty Pywtorak -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jesper Berth Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:34 AM To: K12OSN Subject: [K12OSN] Win2003 terminal server login Hi there i finally got my Win 2003 Server to join my smbldap domain But if i try to logon with a domain user on the windows terminal server from an rdesktop connection i get this error message "The Local policy of this system does not permit you to login interactively" I can login as "root" on the windows server /Jesper From big at santaz.dk Tue Nov 22 21:07:08 2005 From: big at santaz.dk (Jesper Berth) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:07:08 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Win2003 terminal server login In-Reply-To: <24158152EF86D64A8E8E72628097E1A40B4FB4@exchange2k3.comlink.local> References: <24158152EF86D64A8E8E72628097E1A40B4FB4@exchange2k3.comlink.local> Message-ID: <4383887C.4020702@santaz.dk> Rusty Pywtorak wrote: >On the terminal server (not the samba server), go to computer management >and find local users and groups. Check the membership of the group >"Remote Desktop Users." From there either add your user account or just >add the group "Domain Users" if you want everyone to be able to log in. > >Rusty Pywtorak > > > Thanks that actually sounds like it's going to work will try it out in a day or two Jesper >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >Behalf Of Jesper Berth >Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:34 AM >To: K12OSN >Subject: [K12OSN] Win2003 terminal server login > >Hi there i finally got my Win 2003 Server to join my smbldap domain > >But if i try to logon with a domain user on the windows terminal server >from an rdesktop connection i get this error message > >"The Local policy of this system does not permit you to login >interactively" > >I can login as "root" on the windows server > >/Jesper > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Nov 22 20:35:08 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:35:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] YUM, APT-GET or APTITUDE Message-ID: <200511222050.jAMKocDV011554@mx1.redhat.com> All, Which do you think is the best: YUM, APT-GET or APTITUDE? -Paul Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Guenther Paul VanGundy wrote: All, I am interested in someone turning my tutorial into an interactive script. I am far from a pro scripter as my focus is heavy networking and all services that run on them. If anyone is interested in the possibility of creating an ADS Authenticating Script please contact me. Thanks. -Paul Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us !DSPAM:4380e63747021254156774! _____ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see !DSPAM:4380e63747021254156774! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Tue Nov 22 20:52:45 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:52:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] YUM, APT-GET or APTITUDE In-Reply-To: <200511222050.jAMKocDV011554@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200511222050.jAMKocDV011554@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1132692765.17960.1.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 14:35, Paul VanGundy wrote: > Which do you think is the best: YUM, APT-GET or APTITUDE? Yum is currently the best-supported, mostly because it can handle mixed architectures where you have a 64-bit OS with some 32-bit apps. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Tue Nov 22 21:36:38 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:36:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ADS Authentication Script In-Reply-To: <200511222050.jAMKocDW011554@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200511222050.jAMKocDW011554@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <43838F66.1050309@maltzen.net> Paul- Post it to the wiki, if you can: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Software Petre Paul VanGundy wrote: > Joe, > > > > Currently I don?t have it posted on the web to download but I will > supply my tutorial to all that will email me and request it. J > > > > -Paul > > > > Paul VanGundy > > Information Technology Director > > Epping High School > > Epping Middle School > > P: 603.679.5472 x219 > > F: 603.679.2966 > > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] *On > Behalf Of *Joe Guenther > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:28 AM > *To:* Support list for opensource software in schools. > *Subject:* Re: [K12OSN] ADS Authentication Script > > > > Paul, > > where does one find your tutorial? > > Joe Guenther > > Paul VanGundy wrote: > > All, > > > > I am interested in someone turning my tutorial into an interactive > script. I am far from a pro scripter as my focus is heavy networking and > all services that run on them. If anyone is interested in the > possibility of creating an ADS Authenticating Script please contact me. > Thanks. > > > > -Paul > > > > Paul VanGundy > > Information Technology Director > > Epping High School > > Epping Middle School > > P: 603.679.5472 x219 > > F: 603.679.2966 > > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > > > !DSPAM:4380e63747021254156774! > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > !DSPAM:4380e63747021254156774! > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Nov 22 22:14:46 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:14:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ADS Authentication Script In-Reply-To: <43838F66.1050309@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <200511222257.jAMMvY1B005459@mx3.redhat.com> Petre, It won't allow me to add it. I get an error saying I am a level 1 and not allowed to add/edit. -Paul Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Petre Scheie Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 4:37 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] ADS Authentication Script Paul- Post it to the wiki, if you can: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Software Petre Paul VanGundy wrote: > Joe, > > > > Currently I don't have it posted on the web to download but I will > supply my tutorial to all that will email me and request it. J > > > > -Paul > > > > Paul VanGundy > > Information Technology Director > > Epping High School > > Epping Middle School > > P: 603.679.5472 x219 > > F: 603.679.2966 > > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] *On > Behalf Of *Joe Guenther > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:28 AM > *To:* Support list for opensource software in schools. > *Subject:* Re: [K12OSN] ADS Authentication Script > > > > Paul, > > where does one find your tutorial? > > Joe Guenther > > Paul VanGundy wrote: > > All, > > > > I am interested in someone turning my tutorial into an interactive > script. I am far from a pro scripter as my focus is heavy networking and > all services that run on them. If anyone is interested in the > possibility of creating an ADS Authenticating Script please contact me. > Thanks. > > > > -Paul > > > > Paul VanGundy > > Information Technology Director > > Epping High School > > Epping Middle School > > P: 603.679.5472 x219 > > F: 603.679.2966 > > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > > > !DSPAM:4380e63747021254156774! > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > !DSPAM:4380e63747021254156774! > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Nov 22 23:43:52 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:43:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] ADS Authentication Script In-Reply-To: <200511222257.jAMMvY1B005459@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200511222257.jAMMvY1B005459@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4383AD38.4020606@mesd.k12.or.us> Paul VanGundy wrote: > It won't allow me to add it. I get an error saying I am a level 1 and not > allowed to add/edit. You have to log in with a WikiName to edit. No password necessary. Just make up a WikiName and go. You last name is already wiki-fied, so you're halfway there! ;-) -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dbm at us.ibm.com Wed Nov 23 00:14:52 2005 From: dbm at us.ibm.com (Dave Murray) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:14:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dave Murray/Rochester/IBM is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 11/22/2005 and will not return until 11/28/2005. I will be out of the office and will not be checking messages. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Nov 23 06:54:55 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:54:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Thar she boots! In-Reply-To: <438367AC.6020709@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <200511221313.jAMDDCI24840@downeast.net> <438367AC.6020709@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: eharrison at mesd.k12.or.us wrote: >cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >> Eric!!!!ive been running 4.2 built from cvs for a week or so with nary a >> hiccup..Best..chuck >> >I'm running my desktop at work on the 4.2 cvs now as well. > >Now on to getting ltpfs to work ;-) > >-Eric I now have ltspfs working on a fully-patched K12LTSP 4.4.1 server (it requires the very latest 2.6.14 kernel). I don't have the automagic bits working, I had to enable a shell (SCREEN_02 = shell in lts.conf), switch to the shell, manually mount the device (mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /tmp/devices), and then switch back to the X session. Not exactly user-friendly yet, but the "magic" part of "automagic" is working ;-) I built new packages, but left the packaging conflicts in place so no one installs these by accident... ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/ltsp-4.2/ -Eric From kris23 at poczta.fm Wed Nov 23 09:34:50 2005 From: kris23 at poczta.fm (Futrzak) Date: 23 Nov 2005 10:34:50 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] x11vnc k12ltsp Message-ID: <20051123093450.B854CE5BAD@poczta.interia.pl> Hello! I am trying to run x11vnc on ltsp terminals but with no result. I managed to run vnc module (vnc.so) but it is not enough for me. I need to be able to view all terminals at once in small (resized) vncviewer's windows. Can anyone help me in making x11vnc work on thin clients? I cannot find any tutorial. Thanks, kris23 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Motoryzacja i piekne kobiety: Kalendarz Pirelli 2006! >>> http://link.interia.pl/f18d5 From nbs at sonic.net Wed Nov 23 10:11:55 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 02:11:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] [Semi-OT] The Desktop Linux Book Roundup Message-ID: <20051123101155.GC18931@sonic.net> I just noticed that last week, DesktopLinux.com has put together a section called "The Desktop Linux Book Roundup": With so many interesting desktop-oriented Linux books published on an ongoing basis, we thought it would be valuable to create a convenient "Desktop Linux Book Roundup." We plan to update the Roundup on a continuing basis, so be sure to check back now and then to see the latest listings. It sounds cool. I look forward to eyeing over it. ;^) http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT8460665785.html Enjoy! -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 23 11:05:47 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:05:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP wireless? In-Reply-To: <438345F2.6060702@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20051123110547.70672.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Or if the Windows computers are pretty fast anyway, you could just download TightVNC for Windows and connect to the LTSP server that way. The computers wouldn't be acting as thin clients at that point, but it would still give you full access to the K12LTSP system. -Rob Petre Scheie wrote: Yes, you can, but first you have to turn off the DHCP server on the K12LTSP box and add some parameters to the DHCP server on Windows server. The key piece is the 'next-server' setting, as it tells the the Linux clients where to get their kernel and root file system, etc. Read this thread and search the archives for 'next-server': https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-August/msg00716.html Dan Hopson wrote: > Thanks for your help Petre...I was just looking for a shortcut from > having to run UTP to all the stations in the lab. As I was reading your > response, another question came to mind. Presently, I have access to a > Windows-based lab of 16 stations that are all plugged into a 24-port > 10/100 switch. A single 100 Mbps UTP line, connected to our school > server, comes into the 24-port switch. I would like to attempt to boot > these stations to the K12LTSP server to see how it will handle the 16 > stations simultaneously. Here's my question: Can I simply plug the > K12LTSP server (both eth0 and eth1) into two of the free ports on the > switch and it still function as an on demand server whenever the lab > stations are booted with a K12LTSP floppy? If this is possible, I can > still boot to Windows via the hard drive on each lab station. I teach > Introduction to Networking in high school and this would allow me to > teach both Windows and Linux networking. > > Thanks again to the group! > > Dan. > > >> From: Petre Scheie >> Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP wireless? >> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:58:59 -0600 >> >> Doubtful. I think the consensus these days is that one should use a >> gigabit card for eth0. Using a 100Mbit card for eth0 will work for up >> to perhaps 10 or 15 clients, but even that assumes you are using a >> switch which keeps each client's traffic separate from all others. >> Wireless is shared bandwidth, and loses more of its bandwidth to >> overhead. Even with 802.11g and proprietary compression, you won't >> get anywhere near fast ethernet's 100Mbit (which doesn't really >> deliver 100Mbit either). If you want to do wireless, I'd suggest >> having a few clients connect via wire to an access point that is in >> bridging mode, and have one card in the server for each access point, >> and put each AP/wireless-card-in-server pair on a different channel. >> There are 11 channels to choose from but they overlap, so to get >> enough 'space' between the channels, you really only can use channels >> 1,6, and 11. That means you can support three APs. That's using >> 802.11g which operates in the 2.4Ghz band. Then if you repeat that >> setup using 802.11a equipment, which operates in the 5Ghz band, but >> isn't as commonly found, you should be able to add a few more. I'm >> doubtful that you'll get to 25 clients, though. >> >> I'd start small, with say five clients and then work up from there. >> Oh, and having the clients work directly with a wireless card will be >> hard. The client boot image only supports one or two cards, and >> hasn't been updated for a while. You'll have more success if you run >> a wire from the client to an access point which then connects to the >> server. >> >> Petre >> >> Dan Hopson wrote: >> >>> OK...I guess what I am wanting to do is have a wireless NIC only on >>> eth0 and wireless NICs in the terminal machines...is this feasible >>> with 25 terminals? >>> >>> Dan. >>> >>> >>>> From: Petre Scheie >>>> Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >>>> >>>> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP wireless? >>>> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:53:48 -0600 >>>> >>>> Perhaps but not necessarily; there are a lot of cards out there. >>>> Since you reference eth0 and eth1, are you thinking of putting >>>> wireless cards in the server? I see two problems with that plan: 1) >>>> wireless bandwidth, which is shared, won't handle many client >>>> connections before it gets saturated; 2) running a wireless card in >>>> the server suggests you want to try wireless clients, which isn't >>>> very feasible at this point. A package was made a year or two ago >>>> that would work with some wireless client cards, but the list is >>>> quite short. It's kind of a catch-22: to talk to the wireless card, >>>> there has to be support for PCMCIA, but to do that you have to have >>>> a kernel loaded, but to load a kernel you have to have networking >>>> working which means supporting PCMCIA, and so on. >>>> >>>> More information on what you want to do would be helpful. Tell us >>>> what you have in mind. >>>> >>>> Petre >>>> >>>> Dan Hopson wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am just getting started with Linux networking. Will K12LTSP work >>>>> with all wireless NICs on both eth0 and eth1? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Dan. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Message-ID: <200511231334.jANDYtB21062@downeast.net> Eric: What i need to have is an uncompressed kernel for netvista setup with less primordial nsc video drivers.for I suppose either cyrix or geode processor..i think i can handle the kernel build ok..just dont know how to create an uncompresssed kernel..Any thoughts?? chuck. > > eharrison at mesd.k12.or.us wrote: > >cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > >> Eric!!!!ive been running 4.2 built from cvs for a week or so with nary a > >> hiccup..Best..chuck > >> > >I'm running my desktop at work on the 4.2 cvs now as well. > > > >Now on to getting ltpfs to work ;-) > > > >-Eric > > I now have ltspfs working on a fully-patched K12LTSP 4.4.1 server (it > requires the very latest 2.6.14 kernel). > > I don't have the automagic bits working, I had to enable a shell > (SCREEN_02 = shell in lts.conf), switch to the shell, manually > mount the device (mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /tmp/devices), and then > switch back to the X session. Not exactly user-friendly yet, but the > "magic" part of "automagic" is working ;-) > > I built new packages, but left the packaging conflicts in place so > no one installs these by accident... > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/ltsp-4.2/ > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 23 12:57:50 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:57:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] RE: edubuntu ltsp Open Office 1.15 cannot print Message-ID: <20051123125751.42419.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Previously somebody had asked a question about printing in OpenOffice in Edubuntu. I had made a vague reply about needing to edit some printer config file. Well I found the file: /etc/cups/ppd/your_printer_name.ppd Even though I had used the printer setup GUI to specify Letter as the default page size, this file showed the default as A4 in numerous locations throughout the file. I changed them all to "Letter" and all seems to be well now. Hope this helps somebody. -Rob __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Nov 23 15:24:23 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:24:23 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] x11vnc k12ltsp Message-ID: <200511231728.jANHSVB00579@downeast.net> Hi: if you check wiki.ltsp.org under experimental..i have notes there..you will have to switch to tightvnc to use it...chuck http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress > Hello! > > I am trying to run x11vnc on ltsp terminals but with no result. I managed to run vnc module (vnc.so) but it is not enough for me. I need to be able to view all terminals at once in small (resized) vncviewer's windows. Can anyone help me in making x11vnc work on thin clients? I cannot find any tutorial. > > Thanks, > kris23 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Motoryzacja i piekne kobiety: Kalendarz Pirelli 2006! > >>> http://link.interia.pl/f18d5 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From henryhartley at westat.com Wed Nov 23 16:34:10 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:34:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] A Beowulf server for K12LTSP? Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109EA4A@MAILBE2.westat.com> >> I wrote: >> This is a bit of an odd question, perhaps, but the company I >> work for in my day job is surplussing a bunch of old Dell >> 566MHz Celeron computers (128MB RAM, 10MB drives). I know >> they'd make perfectly nice client machines but that's not >> usually the bottleneck. Okay, as I suspected, that wasn't a brilliant idea. Anyway, our company (Westat - http://www.westat.com/) had an agreement with an organization to get rid of any that didn't go in the employees in the lottery so none were available in any case. For the next surplus giveaway, however, there is no such arrangement so I've been told I can offer machines to schools with the understanding that Westat makes no promises to have any particular quantity or any particular class of machine available. I was also told that the next employee giveaway was scheduled to begin on December 7. There may (or may not) be machines left over from that giveaway and anyone from either public or private schools (or any non-profit) who is interested can have as many as they like, up to the number available. The machines from the last round were Dells with various speeds of Celeron processor (Optiplex). Don't know what's coming in the next round but probably similar. The only real problem for most of you will be location as Westat is not willing to ship them. So, if you are a) reasonably close to Rockville, Maryland or are willing to drive that far and b) interested in one or more Celeron (or whatever is available) computers let me know and I'll add you to the list in first-come, first-server order. I'd be willing to meet you half way, within reason. -- Henry From moquist at majen.net Wed Nov 23 16:50:14 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:50:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] re: YUM, APT-GET or APTITUDE (Paul VanGundy) In-Reply-To: <20051123163430.28EA772F8E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051123163430.28EA772F8E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20051123165013.GA20589@majen.net> > From: "Paul VanGundy" > Subject: [K12OSN] YUM, APT-GET or APTITUDE > All, > Which do you think is the best: YUM, APT-GET or APTITUDE? > -Paul On Debian/Ubuntu, apt-get. On Yellow Dog, I expect yum is the best. I don't really like either of them on RH/FC/CentOS, but you gotta use what you have...so I use 'yum' there. Aptitude is just a higher-level tool than the apt-* tools, and while I've never tried aptitude personally I've read disparaging things about it. Also, the apt-* tools roughly matched the level of functionality I had formerly with 'emerge' and (much more formerly) with 'rpm'. All this is to say that aptitude isn't necessarily "better" or "worse", it's just different. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks. > > -Paul Joe, I'm planning to incorporate Winbind client config into the Samba/LDAP Installer, so maybe we can work together on this. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org Wed Nov 23 17:39:47 2005 From: mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org (Mark Goodridge) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:39:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM Start Menu Configuration Message-ID: <4384A962.6090609@chelseaeagles.org> Another really basic question for the day before Thanksgiving. Where can I find a how-to to configure the start menu on my clients K12LTSP work stations when we are using IceWM as the desktop manager. I want to control what applications they have access to. I am using 4.1 or there about. -- Mark Goodridge The Computer Guy Chelsea Elementary School From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 23 17:47:00 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:47:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP wireless? In-Reply-To: <20051123110547.70672.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051123110547.70672.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1132768020.12057.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-11-23 at 05:05, Rob Owens wrote: > Or if the Windows computers are pretty fast anyway, you could just > download TightVNC for Windows and connect to the LTSP server that > way. The computers wouldn't be acting as thin clients at that point, > but it would still give you full access to the K12LTSP system. Freenx and nxclient might be an even better option to access a Linux desktop from windows boxes. That might even work pretty well with a windows wireless setup. If you run wired, another option for the topology is to plug the dual-nic k12ltsp server between the main network and the clients. This is the normal setup and with nat enabled on the server, windows clients will work as well as thin clients on the 'inside' network, although you may have to add your WINS server in the k12ltsp dhcp setup to get windows name resolution to work for other machines on the main network. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Wed Nov 23 17:57:21 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:57:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM Start Menu Configuration In-Reply-To: <4384A962.6090609@chelseaeagles.org> References: <4384A962.6090609@chelseaeagles.org> Message-ID: <4384AD81.30706@maltzen.net> There's documentation on the http://www.icewm.org website. Also, have a look at IceWM Control Panel at http://www.phrozensmoke.com/projects/icewmcp/ . Or you can do it by hand by editing the files in /usr/share/icewm. The files are pretty simple. Petre Mark Goodridge wrote: > Another really basic question for the day before Thanksgiving. > > Where can I find a how-to to configure the start menu on my clients > K12LTSP work stations when we are using IceWM as the desktop manager. I > want to control what applications they have access to. I am using 4.1 or > there about. > From SelzlerB at esuhsd.org Wed Nov 23 19:59:09 2005 From: SelzlerB at esuhsd.org (Selzler, Bruce) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:59:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin Problems Message-ID: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF012DB6A6@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Hello Team, Is anyone having problems with the current version of K12LTSP and WebMin? I'm setting up a new server and all seems well until I add users with Webmin. Once I add even one user with WebMin I get a bunch of errors (root user not found) on startup, and the server stops booting clients. Anyone else seeing this? - Sez From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Nov 23 22:52:47 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:52:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Resetting desk tops Message-ID: <4384F2BF.6060509@elp.rr.com> I am running K12LTSP 4.2.* I recently used the terminal command to reset all of the user desk tops. I three cases I received an ack - can't find the folder message. I tried to reset these using the terminal reset user command with the same result. All of the users are in the same user group and home folder and have the same privelege settings. 1. Why won't those desk tops reset? 2. How can I fix the problem from the server end of the business? From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Nov 23 23:11:35 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:11:35 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Resetting desk tops In-Reply-To: <4384F2BF.6060509@elp.rr.com> References: <4384F2BF.6060509@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <4384F727.5030803@mesd.k12.or.us> John P. Conlon wrote: > I am running K12LTSP 4.2.* > > I recently used the terminal command to reset all of the user desk > tops. I three cases I received an ack - can't find the folder message. > I tried to reset these using the terminal reset user command with the > same result. All of the users are in the same user group and home > folder and have the same privelege settings. > 1. Why won't those desk tops reset? > 2. How can I fix the problem from the server end of the business? That message appears if the script can't cd to that user's home directory. Can you log in as the users for whom the reset breaks and "echo $HOME"? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From veewee77 at alltel.net Wed Nov 23 23:40:54 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:40:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] automating rsync Message-ID: <4384FE06.5070109@alltel.net> Is it possible to automate rsync so you can transfer files between servers automatically? and have it auto-supply a password for the remote end? Thanks From morris_r at 4j.lane.edu Wed Nov 23 23:53:03 2005 From: morris_r at 4j.lane.edu (Roger) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:53:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] automating rsync In-Reply-To: <4384FE06.5070109@alltel.net> References: <4384FE06.5070109@alltel.net> Message-ID: <20051123235303.GA28037@4j.lane.edu> Around Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 05:40:54PM -0600, Doug Simpson, wrote: > Is it possible to automate rsync so you can transfer files between > servers automatically? and have it auto-supply a password for the remote > end? > you could use an 'expect' script. I have an expect script setup to update squidguard files when the blacklist gets updated. -- Roger Morris 687-3579 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Nov 24 01:24:01 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:24:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] automating rsync In-Reply-To: <4384FE06.5070109@alltel.net> References: <4384FE06.5070109@alltel.net> Message-ID: <37CB6563-C281-4499-A09A-0A313F5515B3@inlandlakes.org> On Nov 23, 2005, at 6:40 PM, Doug Simpson wrote: > Is it possible to automate rsync so you can transfer files between > servers automatically? and have it auto-supply a password for the > remote end? Yep, either NFS mount the directory (and rsync "locally") or set up ssh keys so that you can log in without being prompted for password. The process for either isn't too hard. If you can't google the answer, I'll take the time to explain the process further (or someone might reply with more instructions than I, but I have a lot of cooking to do, so I can't right now!) -Shawn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Nov 24 02:22:08 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:52:08 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] automating rsync In-Reply-To: <4384FE06.5070109@alltel.net> References: <4384FE06.5070109@alltel.net> Message-ID: <774593a20511231822q11198ef8u20077f293bfef2cb@mail.gmail.com> On 11/24/05, Doug Simpson wrote: > Is it possible to automate rsync so you can transfer files between > servers automatically? and have it auto-supply a password for the remote > end? 1. Setup the ssh keys between the two machines so that ssh login happens without password being asked. Man page for ssh details that. 2. Put the rsync command in cron job -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Nov 24 02:41:12 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:11:12 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM Start Menu Configuration In-Reply-To: <4384AD81.30706@maltzen.net> References: <4384A962.6090609@chelseaeagles.org> <4384AD81.30706@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <774593a20511231841m56319dffua0f69a8287384b4f@mail.gmail.com> On 11/23/05, Petre Scheie wrote: > There's documentation on the http://www.icewm.org website. Also, have a look at IceWM > Control Panel at http://www.phrozensmoke.com/projects/icewmcp/ . Or you can do it by > hand by editing the files in /usr/share/icewm. The files are pretty simple. > > Mark Goodridge wrote: > > Another really basic question for the day before Thanksgiving. > > > > Where can I find a how-to to configure the start menu on my clients > > K12LTSP work stations when we are using IceWM as the desktop manager. I > > want to control what applications they have access to. I am using 4.1 or > > there about. > > Bottom posting as norm: Better still before you edit any of the files in /usr/share/icewm first make a sub-directory in your home by "mkdir .icewm" Yes starting with a "." Then "cp -R /usr/share/icewm/* $user/.icewm/." Now edit files in this subdirectory. Whatever changes you do are instantly reflected by using Restart Icewm command from start menu. In fact you can keep modifying the files (especially the menu file) till you are satisfied with the results. Once done you can cp the files back to /usr/share/icewm Also this allows you to give special menus to any users if needed as .icewm location is searched first. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Thu Nov 24 06:10:36 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 01:10:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ext3-fs errors, server not booting Message-ID: Hello, Question - I have a FC3 ltsp server (k12ltsp) that, after a reboot, won't boot up. It is a hardware SCSI RAID 1 on two SCSI drives. Upon rebooting, it drops me into a Grub prompt. When I boot up in knoppix, I can see 2 scsi drives, but trying to mount them fails. When I check dmesg, I see the error ext3-fs group descriptors corrupted. So it seems it be an issue where the bootup sequence cannot find init. I'm not sure how to proceed from here though. I'm weary of running fsck on the drive since I've known that to completely trash the drive data, but I'm not sure if installing grub from the prompt will be the right solution. Wisdom? thanks. Joseph From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Nov 24 09:54:59 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:54:59 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] automating rsync In-Reply-To: <4384FE06.5070109@alltel.net> References: <4384FE06.5070109@alltel.net> Message-ID: <43858DF3.1090004@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Doug Simpson wrote: > Is it possible to automate rsync so you can transfer files between > servers automatically? and have it auto-supply a password for the remote > end? > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I do this for backing up our various servers. I have one machine that is running Rsync as a daemon and the linux box's PUSH there updates to it. I then use autofs to mount shares on various windows machine and rsync these to the server, sort of pulling. Seems to work fine. To do the passwordless bit have a look at this page as a start http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/SSHwithoutPasswords But this page was what I used http://dsg.port.ac.uk/~rjb/misc/howto/ssh/index.php Basically this is what you have to do generate sshkeys on the machine you wish to rsync FROM ssh-keygen -t dsa -b 4096 (just hit enter for all the questions) chmod 0644 ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub copy ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub to rsync server into /root/.ssh cat id_dsa.pub >> authorized_keys Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Thu Nov 24 13:04:46 2005 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:04:46 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20ext3-fs=20errors,=20serve?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?r=20not=20booting?= Message-ID: Not familiar with scsi raid but it is raid 1 (miror) so the same information should be on both. Can you separate the drives and force a copy with dd onto another disk for safegard, maybe try to work on the copy and not the original drive. What is nice about ext3 is that you can mount it as ext2 without problem, i do it with Tombs rootBoot disquette or any linux distro. There are commands to rebuild the journaling system but i dont have them on hand, i will be back later with this info. >>> joseph.bishay at gmail.com 2005-11-24 01:10:36 >>> Hello, Question - I have a FC3 ltsp server (k12ltsp) that, after a reboot, won't boot up. It is a hardware SCSI RAID 1 on two SCSI drives. Upon rebooting, it drops me into a Grub prompt. When I boot up in knoppix, I can see 2 scsi drives, but trying to mount them fails. When I check dmesg, I see the error ext3-fs group descriptors corrupted. So it seems it be an issue where the bootup sequence cannot find init. I'm not sure how to proceed from here though. I'm weary of running fsck on the drive since I've known that to completely trash the drive data, but I'm not sure if installing grub from the prompt will be the right solution. Wisdom? thanks. Joseph _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Thu Nov 24 16:25:22 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:25:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ext3-fs errors, server not booting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200511241624.jAOGO8mF006960@mailmx.futuresource.com> > From: Joseph Bishay > Question - I have a FC3 ltsp server (k12ltsp) that, after a > reboot, won't boot up. It is a hardware SCSI RAID 1 on two > SCSI drives. Upon rebooting, it drops me into a Grub prompt. Grub doesn't understand RAID, but because RAID1 is really the same on both drives it will work anyway if you install on the underlying partitions. Try a search for grub on raid to get the setup instructions. I'll dig them up later if you can't find them. -- Les mikesell les at futuresource.com From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Nov 24 16:55:18 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:55:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Resetting desk tops In-Reply-To: <4384F727.5030803@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4384F2BF.6060509@elp.rr.com> <4384F727.5030803@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4385F076.4030603@elp.rr.com> Yes I can which is why I am wondering what has happened and how to fix it. Dan Young wrote: > John P. Conlon wrote: > >> I am running K12LTSP 4.2.* >> >> I recently used the terminal command to reset all of the user desk >> tops. I three cases I received an ack - can't find the folder >> message. I tried to reset these using the terminal reset user >> command with the same result. All of the users are in the same user >> group and home folder and have the same privelege settings. >> 1. Why won't those desk tops reset? >> 2. How can I fix the problem from the server end of the business? > > > That message appears if the script can't cd to that user's home > directory. Can you log in as the users for whom the reset breaks and > "echo $HOME"? > From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Thu Nov 24 18:14:52 2005 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:14:52 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20ext3-fs=20errors,=20serve?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?r=20not=20booting?= Message-ID: Here is the information for converting back and forth between ext2 and ext3. http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/ext2toext3.htm >>> joseph.bishay at gmail.com 2005-11-24 01:10:36 >>> Hello, Question - I have a FC3 ltsp server (k12ltsp) that, after a reboot, won't boot up. It is a hardware SCSI RAID 1 on two SCSI drives. Upon rebooting, it drops me into a Grub prompt. When I boot up in knoppix, I can see 2 scsi drives, but trying to mount them fails. When I check dmesg, I see the error ext3-fs group descriptors corrupted. So it seems it be an issue where the bootup sequence cannot find init. I'm not sure how to proceed from here though. I'm weary of running fsck on the drive since I've known that to completely trash the drive data, but I'm not sure if installing grub from the prompt will be the right solution. Wisdom? thanks. Joseph _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at hosef.org Thu Nov 24 19:07:19 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:07:19 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] automating rsync In-Reply-To: <43858DF3.1090004@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <4384FE06.5070109@alltel.net> <43858DF3.1090004@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <43860F67.1090204@hosef.org> Brian Chivers wrote: > Doug Simpson wrote: > >> Is it possible to automate rsync so you can transfer files between >> servers automatically? and have it auto-supply a password for the >> remote end? >> >> Thanks >> >> > I do this for backing up our various servers. I have one machine that is > running Rsync as a daemon and the linux box's PUSH there updates to it. > I then use autofs to mount shares on various windows machine and rsync > these to the server, sort of pulling. Seems to work fine. > > To do the passwordless bit have a look at this page as a start > > http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/SSHwithoutPasswords > > But this page was what I used > > http://dsg.port.ac.uk/~rjb/misc/howto/ssh/index.php > > > Basically this is what you have to do > > generate sshkeys on the machine you wish to rsync FROM > > ssh-keygen -t dsa -b 4096 > > (just hit enter for all the questions) > > chmod 0644 ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub > > copy ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub to rsync server into /root/.ssh > > cat id_dsa.pub >> authorized_keys > > Brian Daniel Robbins wrote what I have always considered the definitive article on this http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-keyc.html Part 2 touches on keychain. Going back to my retail POS days, rsync + ssh + cron + keychain made for a stable server farm. It is CRITICAL that you understand that if you don't password protect your private key, you are creating a serious security hole. Take the time, learn about keychain, and manage your security. --scott From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Nov 24 19:19:05 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:19:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM Start Menu Configuration In-Reply-To: <4384AD81.30706@maltzen.net> References: <4384A962.6090609@chelseaeagles.org> <4384AD81.30706@maltzen.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 at 12:57 PM +0000 wrote: >There's documentation on the http://www.icewm.org website. Also, have a >look at IceWM >Control Panel at http://www.phrozensmoke.com/projects/icewmcp/ . Or you >can do it by >hand by editing the files in /usr/share/icewm. The files are pretty >simple. > >Petre > >Mark Goodridge wrote: >> Another really basic question for the day before Thanksgiving. >> >> Where can I find a how-to to configure the start menu on my clients >> K12LTSP work stations when we are using IceWM as the desktop manager. I >> want to control what applications they have access to. I am using 4.1 >or >> there about. >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see icecc and icemc are both part of K12LTSP....simply use either of those....remember to navigate to /usr/share/icewm to find the menu file. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From lewis at pcc.com Thu Nov 24 20:47:01 2005 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:47:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM Start Menu Configuration In-Reply-To: <774593a20511231841m56319dffua0f69a8287384b4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4384A962.6090609@chelseaeagles.org> <4384AD81.30706@maltzen.net> <774593a20511231841m56319dffua0f69a8287384b4f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Nov 23, 2005, at 9:41 PM, Sudev Barar wrote: > Once done you can cp the files back to /usr/share/icewm I would suggest putting the files in /etc/icewm. That way the next time icewm gets updated and overwrite /usr/share/icewm, you don't have to start over. Lewis From robark at gmail.com Thu Nov 24 21:03:50 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:03:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] automating rsync In-Reply-To: <43860F67.1090204@hosef.org> References: <4384FE06.5070109@alltel.net> <43858DF3.1090004@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <43860F67.1090204@hosef.org> Message-ID: On 11/24/05, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Daniel Robbins wrote what I have always considered the definitive > article on this > > http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-keyc.html > > Part 2 touches on keychain. Too bad such a great Linux guy is now working for M$. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1827841,00.asp "If you can't beat em hire em." -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Thu Nov 24 22:44:59 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:44:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Survey Site Message-ID: <200511242325.jAONPsak020945@mx3.redhat.com> All, Do any of you know of any good web survey sites? We want to take surveys in our school district and would like to find one that is free if possible. A colleague of mine used Survey Monkey (http://www.surveymonkey.com/) recently and that looked quite nice and wasn't too expensive. Thanks in advance. -Paul Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks in advance. > > > > -Paul > > > > Paul VanGundy > > Information Technology Director > > Epping High School > > Epping Middle School > > P: 603.679.5472 x219 > > F: 603.679.2966 > > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From brcisna at frontiernet.net Fri Nov 25 01:23:27 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:23:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] gdm chooser.. howto? Message-ID: <000701c5f15e$d7ac72b0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hello List, Hope everyone had a good T-day! As everyone else that shows up here , I m stumped. I can not get the "standard" gdm greeter,to show the gdm chooser,to select from multiple K12LTSP,& Windows Term Servers. Ive tryed several "howto's",on this subject,but all seemed to be outdated for the current K12LTSP distros. We are using K12LTSP v 4.1.1 We have just been doing the CTL-ALT and Fx to drop to the term server that kids can log to,, but would like for them to be able to select from one of the other servers..for backup.. Does anyone have/knowof,,a recent "howto" on this? Ive searched the archives here,,but the ones i have found have not worked.. Thanks, Barry From haynest at mchsi.com Fri Nov 25 10:21:39 2005 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Thomas E. Haynes) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 05:21:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Survey Site In-Reply-To: <200511242325.jAONPsak020945@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200511251117.jAPBHufG031795@mx1.redhat.com> Paul. We have used phpESP (http://www.butterfat.net/wiki/Projects/phpESP/) with great success. It is GPL, and it works. Regards. Tom _____ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Paul VanGundy Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 5:45 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: [K12OSN] Web Survey Site All, Do any of you know of any good web survey sites? We want to take surveys in our school district and would like to find one that is free if possible. A colleague of mine used Survey Monkey (http://www.surveymonkey.com/) recently and that looked quite nice and wasn't too expensive. Thanks in advance. -Paul Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timothy.hart at gmail.com Fri Nov 25 18:44:18 2005 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:44:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Would like feedback... Message-ID: <464c38cc0511251044j823cdbbwf2ff3f9acee5cb2d@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, I have been mulling over an idea for a while and would like a little feedback. I have been thinking about an open source open source magazine for educators. Yes, an open source open source magazine. Basically a magazine about open source in education that the community would write articles for and expand them. There are a couple of reasons I throw this out now. 1. There is a wealth of knowledge of lists such as this one, and I thought there could be another outlet for the people to let others know about open source in education. 2. I have been impressed with the model that Tux Magazinehas been using. If you are not familiar, it is a PDF based product with a web front. 3. Tux Magazine is really geared towards the desktop user. Educators that I work with are almost always this or newbier (I just made that word up). 4. To see if there are enough of you who would be interested in writing and article here or a tutorial there. I was thinking about a site that would allow users to download a PDF magazine with articles written by a community such as yourself. You know, like a newsletter but a little more elaborate. Something that a user could download and read on their computer or print out. Here are some questions I have for you? What would be some things you would like to see in a magazine of this type? What would some categories be? (ie. opinion, tutorial, etc)? Would you be interested in a magazine similar to Tux Magazine? Let me know what you think. I would enjoy reading about your ideas and comments. Timothy Hart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Nov 26 03:22:18 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 03:22:18 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] sony drm Message-ID: <200511260526.jAQ5QDD16106@downeast.net> sysctl net.inet6.ip6.v6only=0 Sony BMG Music's controversial copy-protection scheme can be defeated with a small piece of tape, a research firm said Monday in a demonstration of the futility of digital rights management (DRM). According to Gartner analysts Martin Reynolds and Mike McGuire, Sony's XCP technology is stymied by sticking a fingernail-size piece of opaque tape on the outer edge of the CD. That, the pair said in a brief posted online, renders "session 2 -- which contains the self-loading DRM software ? unreadable. The PC then treats the CD as an ordinary single-session music CD, and the commonly used CD 'rip' programs continue to work as usual." --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From ssanders at coin.org Sat Nov 26 07:24:52 2005 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:24:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] sony drm In-Reply-To: <200511260526.jAQ5QDD16106@downeast.net> References: <200511260526.jAQ5QDD16106@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1132989892.357.2.camel@bofh.ltsp> or hold down the shift key while inserting the CD, or don't use Windows. From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Nov 26 11:07:24 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:07:24 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] sony drm Message-ID: <200511261311.jAQDBGD08797@downeast.net> i like the last idea... > or hold down the shift key while inserting the CD, or don't use Windows. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From nbs at sonic.net Sat Nov 26 20:56:47 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:56:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Tux Paint 0.9.15 is here! Message-ID: <20051126205647.GJ10469@sonic.net> As many of you know, Tux Paint is the OSS project that I've lived and breathed for the last 3.5 years. Well, we finally released a new version yesterday, over a year after the last version came out! http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/ Changelogs: ftp://ftp.billsgames.com/unix/x/tuxpaint/CHANGES.txt ftp://ftp.billsgames.com/unix/x/tuxpaint/stamps/CHANGES.txt ftp://ftp.billsgames.com/unix/x/tuxpaint/config/CHANGES.txt PS - If you have Win32- and Mac OS X-using friends, a Windows build is already out, and a Mac one is coming in the next few days, I hope! -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Sun Nov 27 05:24:04 2005 From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us (Paul Nelson) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:24:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Would like feedback... In-Reply-To: <20051126170028.A93387368C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051126170028.A93387368C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <438942F4.6060607@riverdale.k12.or.us> > Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:44:18 -0500 > From: Timothy Hart > Subject: [K12OSN] Would like feedback... > > Hello all, > > I have been mulling over an idea for a while and would like a little > feedback. I have been thinking about an open source open source magazine for > educators. Yes, an open source open source magazine. Basically a magazine > about open source in education that the community would write articles for > and expand them. snip...... Great idea Timothy! How about putting the articles up on K12OS.org? That site is supposed to be for OSS in education news and I just don't have the time to keep it full of new interesting articles. Create an account for yourself and write away! We have plenty of bandwidth and disk space. Serving up PDFs would be just fine. This invitation is open to everyone. I'm the editor but the site is not a public forum so if I don't like what you have to say I'll either edit or delete it. Isn't tyranny great? http://k12os.org/?q=user/register When you create a new account, I'll have to activate it. Give me a day or so to do that. Posting content is easy with Drupal, the package running the site. It would be great to take advantage of the 1000 or so visitors who go to K12OS.org. Current articles would go a long way. ;-) Paul -- ====================================================================== Paul Nelson - Make things better. http://pnelson.us From ahodson at elp.rr.com Sun Nov 27 19:01:11 2005 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson at elp.rr.com) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:01:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Denying INet access Message-ID: <1daf7dc1daddbd.1daddbd1daf7dc@texas.rr.com> Hi Team Access to Internet resources is, depending on the supervisory skills of the teacher, an issue that concerns most campus administrators and staff. For the five K12LTSP labs I help administer, I have developed a procedure that addresses access: Blocking Internet ================== a) Create group noblock (#/user/bin/system-config-users) b) add users to noblock: accounts with access + root c) goto /usr/bin/... and change group=noblock and permission=750 to: amaya, epiphany, konqueror, mozilla and firefox - other browsers like opera, w3m if installed also need change d) prepare to answer "Why am I getting an error?" questions There may be easier ways of doing this - this works for me and wanted to share it. Cheers Alan Hodson El Paso ISD - TX http://links.episd.org -=o=- From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Nov 27 20:51:20 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:51:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Would like feedback... In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0511251044j823cdbbwf2ff3f9acee5cb2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0511251044j823cdbbwf2ff3f9acee5cb2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Awesome idea Tim! I too have been mulling the idea around in my head and would love to help you! I'd have to learn Scribus, but once that's done...putting it together should be pretty easy (famous last words). Being here in Maine with you...it would be easy for us to collaborate. I love Tux Magazine (www.tuxmag.com) and would love to see something for educators along the same line. It's something whose time has come. Being an educator...I'd love to be able to spread the word even more and this would be a great medium for doing so. I'll start practicing my Scribus or we could simply use OO....what's your pref? "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Fri Nov 25 2005 at 13:44 +0000 wrote: >Hello all, > >I have been mulling over an idea for a while and would like a little >feedback. I have been thinking about an open source open source magazine >for educators. Yes, an open source open source magazine. Basically a >magazine about open source in education that the community would write >articles for and expand them. > >There are a couple of reasons I throw this out now. > >1. There is a wealth of knowledge of lists such as this one, and I >thought there could be another outlet for the people to let others know >about open source in education. >2. I have been impressed with the model that [ >http://www.tuxmagazine.com/ ]Tux Magazine has been using. If you are not >familiar, it is a PDF based product with a web front. >3. Tux Magazine is really geared towards the desktop user. Educators that >I work with are almost always this or newbier (I just made that word up). >4. To see if there are enough of you who would be interested in writing >and article here or a tutorial there. > >I was thinking about a site that would allow users to download a PDF >magazine with articles written by a community such as yourself. You know, >like a newsletter but a little more elaborate. Something that a user >could download and read on their computer or print out. > >Here are some questions I have for you? > >What would be some things you would like to see in a magazine of this >type? >What would some categories be? (ie. opinion, tutorial, etc)? >Would you be interested in a magazine similar to Tux Magazine? > > >Let me know what you think. I would enjoy reading about your ideas and >comments. > >Timothy Hart >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From mellomtrinnet_lovund_skole at hotmail.com Mon Nov 28 09:01:41 2005 From: mellomtrinnet_lovund_skole at hotmail.com (Lovund Skole) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:01:41 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktops and NIS Message-ID: Hi Is there any way to reset to default desktops when my users log in through NIS and have their homes on a server not running k12? I had this working in a previus build but I think that was just pure luck. It looks like there is some permission problems. Any suggestions? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail http://www.hotmail.com Med markedets beste SPAM-filter. Gratis! From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Mon Nov 28 10:24:53 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:24:53 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktops and NIS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200511281024.53683.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Monday 28 Nov 2005 09:01, Lovund Skole wrote: > Hi > > Is there any way to reset to default desktops when my users log in through > NIS and have their homes on a server not running k12? I had this working in > a previus build but I think that was just pure luck. It looks like there is > some permission problems. Any suggestions? If you are running kde it's a doddle. The way that did it on our servers can be found at http://www.openhgs.org/it.cgi/Bart - scroll down until you come to the section "locking down the desktop" The kicker might well cause you problems though; in kickerrc "Applets=" changed to "Applets2=" (depending on your version) and I can't tell you at which this changed. The desktop image is more challenging under kds; you can lock it down in /usr/share/config/kdesktoprc but it is possible for them to change it. The only way I have found to lock down the image can be found at http://www.openhgs.org/it.cgi/InclAllServers - scroll down to 11/11/05 -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 28 11:19:30 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 03:19:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] gdm chooser.. howto? In-Reply-To: <000701c5f15e$d7ac72b0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <20051128111930.45919.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't have a how-to for you, but I can tell you how I learned everything I know about gdm: I read the gdm.conf file. It is loaded with comments, most of which are fairly understandable to non-programmers like myself. It took a long time to get through, because there's lots of information to digest, and a few sections of it that can be ignored (for my purposes, anyway). On another note, Ubuntu has a really nice gdm configuration GUI. I wonder if we could get that packaged for K12LTSP some day. -Rob --- Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > Hope everyone had a good T-day! > As everyone else that shows up here , I m stumped. > I can not get the "standard" gdm greeter,to show the > gdm chooser,to select > from multiple K12LTSP,& Windows Term Servers. > Ive tryed several "howto's",on this subject,but all > seemed to be outdated > for the current K12LTSP distros. > We are using K12LTSP v 4.1.1 > We have just been doing the CTL-ALT and Fx to drop > to the term server that > kids can log to,, but would like for them to be able > to select from one of > the other servers..for backup.. > Does anyone have/knowof,,a recent "howto" on this? > Ive searched the archives here,,but the ones i have > found have not worked.. > > Thanks, > > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From thepiano at telenet.be Mon Nov 28 11:14:52 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:14:52 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC reflector and GNOME In-Reply-To: References: <464c38cc0511251044j823cdbbwf2ff3f9acee5cb2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <24B39179-A016-44C2-9280-97E507F685C8@telenet.be> Hello, I'm trying to get VNC reflector to work, and yes it does in IceWm when starting it form FlTeachertool. But why doesn't it start in gnome? I added the same xhost +192.168.0.254 line to the GNOME file, but nothing happens at the client side... Anyone an idea? Kevin From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Nov 28 11:19:39 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:19:39 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] New Addy Message-ID: <200511281323.jASDNHu06556@downeast.net> Switching slugnets... New email address cliebow at midmaine.com --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Nov 28 11:26:52 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:26:52 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] New Addy Message-ID: <200511281330.jASDUUu07350@downeast.net> Switching slugnets... New email address cliebow at midmaine.com --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Nov 28 11:29:01 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:29:01 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] New Addy Message-ID: <200511281332.jASDWdu07621@downeast.net> Switching slugnets... New email address cliebow at midmaine.com --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From william at fragakis.com Mon Nov 28 13:02:03 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:02:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Web Survey Site Message-ID: <88bb2f3d67f944d5445ffb82d85b8661@fragakis.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:44:59 -0500 > Do any of you know of any good web survey sites? We want to take > surveys in > our school district and would like to find one that is free if > possible. A > colleague of mine used Survey Monkey (http://www.surveymonkey.com/) > recently > and that looked quite nice and wasn't too expensive. Thanks in advance. > If your school already has a web site, there are any number of polling options built into php/mysql or perl scripts that you can adapt quickly or with no trouble at all. I don't know how detailed the survey needs to be - if it's a simple poll or multiple choice questionnaire. I cobbled one up for our school site last year in very little time to specifically survey the teachers on technology needs which led us eventually to k12ltsp. If your school doesn't already have a CMS driven web site, this might be the inspiration. regards, William Fragakis morrisbrandon.com From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Nov 28 13:27:05 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:27:05 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Online calendars Message-ID: <438B05A9.3030906@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> I've been asked to have a look for a calendar that can be shared between users with a web frontend. We've been trialing Sunbird / ical but the users have complained about it losing info so I've been `instructed` to look for something else, preferably that will authenticate against LDAP. Any ideas ?? Thanks Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 13:30:28 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:30:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Online calendars In-Reply-To: <438B05A9.3030906@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <438B05A9.3030906@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <92de6c880511280530j4f79da7fse7d4915f8059c054@mail.gmail.com> On 11/28/05, Brian Chivers wrote: > I've been asked to have a look for a calendar that can be shared between users with a web frontend. > > We've been trialing Sunbird / ical but the users have complained about it losing info so I've been > `instructed` to look for something else, preferably that will authenticate against LDAP. > > Any ideas ?? Well, I'll recommend SchoolTool Calendar, which has the advantage of understanding school timetables. We don't do LDAP yet, although if you know some Python you could probably get it running pretty easily, since we're built on Zope 3 and Zope 3 does LDAP authentication. http://schooltool.org --Tom From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Mon Nov 28 14:33:28 2005 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:33:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] automating rsync Message-ID: <200511280933.28926.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Wednesday November 23 2005 6:40 pm, Doug Simpson wrote: > Is it possible to automate rsync so you can transfer files between > servers automatically? and have it auto-supply a password for the remote > end? > > Thanks > In addition to the previous posts on setting up rsync, try this script: http://www.scrounge.org/linux/rsync.html In conjunction with rsync, it works great. Dimitri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From sbarar at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 14:39:35 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:09:35 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] gdm chooser.. howto? In-Reply-To: <20051128111930.45919.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000701c5f15e$d7ac72b0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> <20051128111930.45919.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <774593a20511280639y2a7097c0r7e29a336df33d07d@mail.gmail.com> On 11/28/05, Rob Owens wrote: [SNIP] > On another note, Ubuntu has a really nice gdm > configuration GUI. I wonder if we could get that > packaged for K12LTSP some day. > I think it is already there. Look at login screen setup. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Nov 28 16:24:52 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:24:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Resetting desk tops In-Reply-To: <4385F076.4030603@elp.rr.com> References: <4384F2BF.6060509@elp.rr.com> <4384F727.5030803@mesd.k12.or.us> <4385F076.4030603@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <438B2F54.9070501@mesd.k12.or.us> > Dan Young wrote: >> That message appears if the script can't cd to that user's home >> directory. Can you log in as the users for whom the reset breaks and >> "echo $HOME"? John P. Conlon wrote: > Yes I can which is why I am wondering what has happened and how to fix > it. So what was the output of "echo $HOME"? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Mon Nov 28 16:39:07 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:39:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SADMS Message-ID: <200511281639.jASGdrFk002652@mx3.redhat.com> All, Has anyone used SADMS (http://sadms.sourceforge.net )? It says it gives users a GUI for getting Linux boxes to join and authenticate against a Windows 200x ADS box. -Paul Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If anyone has time to check it out, it looks like it might be a good fit for clients with enough CPU and RAM to run the desktop and apps locally without having to install anything on them. http://drbl.sourceforge.net/ -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 16:53:01 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:53:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC reflector and GNOME In-Reply-To: <24B39179-A016-44C2-9280-97E507F685C8@telenet.be> References: <464c38cc0511251044j823cdbbwf2ff3f9acee5cb2d@mail.gmail.com> <24B39179-A016-44C2-9280-97E507F685C8@telenet.be> Message-ID: On 11/28/05, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to get VNC reflector to work, and yes it does in IceWm > when starting it form FlTeachertool. > > But why doesn't it start in gnome? > I added the same xhost +192.168.0.254 line to the GNOME file, but > nothing happens at the client side... Yes. Add the xhost line to /etc/profile that should do it. If not let me know. I should update the FL_TT docs to reflect this. I'm going to release ver 0.2 next month. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 17:34:51 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:34:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC reflector and GNOME In-Reply-To: References: <464c38cc0511251044j823cdbbwf2ff3f9acee5cb2d@mail.gmail.com> <24B39179-A016-44C2-9280-97E507F685C8@telenet.be> Message-ID: <9bd317560511280934i13cbf434wf4134a38be16396c@mail.gmail.com> Awesome! What's going to be in the changelog? Peter On 11/28/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 11/28/05, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I'm trying to get VNC reflector to work, and yes it does in IceWm > > when starting it form FlTeachertool. > > > > But why doesn't it start in gnome? > > I added the same xhost +192.168.0.254 line to the GNOME file, but > > nothing happens at the client side... > > Yes. Add the xhost line to /etc/profile > that should do it. If not let me know. I should update the FL_TT docs > to reflect this. I'm going to release ver 0.2 next month. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From me at jasonclinton.com Mon Nov 28 18:23:15 2005 From: me at jasonclinton.com (Jason Dewayne Clinton) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:23:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] DRBL (net boot fat client) In-Reply-To: <1133196589.23033.4.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1133196589.23033.4.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <200511281223.16160.me@jasonclinton.com> On Monday 28 November 2005 10:49, Les Mikesell wrote: > A new listing just appeared on freshmeat.net for "Diskless Remote > Boot in Linux (DRBL)". If anyone has time to check it out, it looks > like it might be a good fit for clients with enough CPU and RAM to > run the desktop and apps locally without having to install anything > on them. http://drbl.sourceforge.net/ It's been there for around a year or so. The English documentation is scarce and customizing it can be kinda complicated but we do quite a bit with it at our company and have even integrated it in to our own Linux distribution. -- I use digital signatures and encryption. My key is stored at pgp.mit.edu 0x8DB3BF09 FP: F628 D9D3 E57A C281 5EFE - 7DF7 B52A A393 8DB3 BF09 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Repeatable? -- -------------------------------------------------- Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org Technology Network Coordinator Schools of the Sacred Heart 2222 Broadway St. San Francisco, CA 94115 From bthomas at psysolutions.com Mon Nov 28 18:49:21 2005 From: bthomas at psysolutions.com (Brad Thomas) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:49:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Security Message-ID: <438B5131.3080402@psysolutions.com> I'm not really new to Linux, but when it comes to security in Linux, I'm lost. I am wanting to setup K12 here at my hospital as a educational lab for the children here, however, I need to make sure that they will not be able to access the hospital LAN, and any outside access that they do have will only be on the Internet. Is there a firewall between eth0 and eth1 by default? What are the details on that? Thanks. From petre at maltzen.net Mon Nov 28 19:16:58 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:16:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Security In-Reply-To: <438B5131.3080402@psysolutions.com> References: <438B5131.3080402@psysolutions.com> Message-ID: <438B57AA.2030609@maltzen.net> I would think that such firewalling/segregating would be a function of your main router, to separate the LTSP traffic from the rest of the network, by VLAN or otherwise. So, eth0 will connect to the hospital's router/switch, which should be configured to allow that port to connect to the internet. Eth1 will go to a switch that all the clients connect to. Yes, there is a firewall within the Linux system underneath K12LTSP, but I don't think that's the right place to look for a solution to your problem. Petre Brad Thomas wrote: > I'm not really new to Linux, but when it comes to security in Linux, I'm > lost. I am wanting to setup K12 here at my hospital as a educational > lab for the children here, however, I need to make sure that they will > not be able to access the hospital LAN, and any outside access that they > do have will only be on the Internet. Is there a firewall between eth0 > and eth1 by default? What are the details on that? > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 19:22:12 2005 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:22:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Mass flip flops on Open source. Message-ID: <69b790a80511281122i6971764cva58f54863e995362@mail.gmail.com> In case anybody was curious. Mass is changing sides on the open document policy. They had been rejecting Microsofts proprietary format and going with OpenDocument format. Now it appears they are backing MSs format. http://www.techweb.com/wire/ebiz/174402060 -- Roger From bthomas at psysolutions.com Mon Nov 28 19:29:21 2005 From: bthomas at psysolutions.com (Brad Thomas) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:29:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Security In-Reply-To: <438B57AA.2030609@maltzen.net> References: <438B5131.3080402@psysolutions.com> <438B57AA.2030609@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <438B5A91.4050100@psysolutions.com> So basically I will have to look for a hardware solution for that type of setup? Is there not anything on the server itself that I would be able to configure to only allow http requests to go out of it? Petre Scheie wrote: > I would think that such firewalling/segregating would be a function of > your main router, to separate the LTSP traffic from the rest of the > network, by VLAN or otherwise. So, eth0 will connect to the > hospital's router/switch, which should be configured to allow that > port to connect to the internet. Eth1 will go to a switch that all > the clients connect to. > > Yes, there is a firewall within the Linux system underneath K12LTSP, > but I don't think that's the right place to look for a solution to > your problem. > > Petre > > Brad Thomas wrote: > >> I'm not really new to Linux, but when it comes to security in Linux, >> I'm lost. I am wanting to setup K12 here at my hospital as a >> educational lab for the children here, however, I need to make sure >> that they will not be able to access the hospital LAN, and any >> outside access that they do have will only be on the Internet. Is >> there a firewall between eth0 and eth1 by default? What are the >> details on that? >> >> Thanks. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Mon Nov 28 19:42:37 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:42:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Security In-Reply-To: <438B5A91.4050100@psysolutions.com> References: <438B5131.3080402@psysolutions.com> <438B57AA.2030609@maltzen.net> <438B5A91.4050100@psysolutions.com> Message-ID: <1133206957.23033.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 13:29, Brad Thomas wrote: > So basically I will have to look for a hardware solution for that type > of setup? Is there not anything on the server itself that I would be > able to configure to only allow http requests to go out of it? You probably already have the hardware solution in place. The trick is to get the k12ltsp server connected to the other side of it - that is, so you are not directly on the internal LAN but instead connect on the internet side of your existing firewall. It is possible to configure iptables on the k12ltsp server to limit outbound connections but that's the wrong place to do it and there may be internal web servers that should not be accessible. If you do go that route you should probably block all other internal addresses except your default gateway. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From accessys at smart.net Mon Nov 28 21:13:07 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:13:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Mass flip flops on Open source. In-Reply-To: <69b790a80511281122i6971764cva58f54863e995362@mail.gmail.com> References: <69b790a80511281122i6971764cva58f54863e995362@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Roger wrote: > In case anybody was curious. Mass is changing sides on the open > document policy. They had been rejecting Microsofts proprietary > format and going with OpenDocument format. Now it appears they are > backing MSs format. 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From robark at gmail.com Mon Nov 28 23:45:34 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:45:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC reflector and GNOME In-Reply-To: <9bd317560511280934i13cbf434wf4134a38be16396c@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0511251044j823cdbbwf2ff3f9acee5cb2d@mail.gmail.com> <24B39179-A016-44C2-9280-97E507F685C8@telenet.be> <9bd317560511280934i13cbf434wf4134a38be16396c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 11/28/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Awesome! What's going to be in the changelog? Bug fixes, a reset feature in case a teacher logs out of the vnc window, updated docs, *maybe* remote server access with ssh keys -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From brcisna at frontiernet.net Tue Nov 29 00:01:45 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:01:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] gdm chooser.. howto? Message-ID: <000901c5f478$16c884e0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Thanks Rob & Sudev, I did go through the gdm.conf file several times, trying different options ..(uncommenting),,etc. Bottom line is ,I never get the actual chooser to showup. All i ever get is the "regular" "greeter" login. I guess I've never actually seen the "chooser" window,or is this a "menu" item on the usual greeter window? I went through all the documented "change the -query to -indirect,,and still no joy. Could someone possibly post their "chooser">>gdm.conf file,,for me to have a gawk at it? I also have the "indirect" checked on the login GUI/Gnome tool for setting options for the greeter/login.but still no chooser "appears":(. Have a good day... Thanks, Barry From opensource at whitenitro.com Tue Nov 29 01:36:13 2005 From: opensource at whitenitro.com (Bryant Patten) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:36:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Would like feedback...(OS and Education Mag) In-Reply-To: <20051126170029.3901B73670@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051126170029.3901B73670@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Tim Count me in! I will be giving a talk day after tomorrow (Thursday) at the Christa McAuliffe conference titled "Open Source Technology - Why Teachers Should Care" and I will be pointing them toward Tux magazine for additional reading but it would be great to have a similar thing directed specifically at teachers. [Dave T. - Any chance we could devote some time at one of the NELS gatherings to push forward such an effort?] Please do keep me posted. Bryant Patten White Nitro, LLC On Nov 26, 2005, at 12:00 PM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > I have been mulling over an idea for a while and would like a little > feedback. I have been thinking about an open source open source > magazine for > educators. Yes, an open source open source magazine. Basically a > magazine > about open source in education that the community would write articles > for > and expand them. From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 29 11:06:52 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:06:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] gdm chooser.. howto? In-Reply-To: <000901c5f478$16c884e0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <20051129110652.217.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Barry, My gdm.conf file follows. This is from an Ubuntu system, but temporarily turned on the chooser and tested it -- it works (well, I only have one LTSP server, but I can get the chooser to come up). It's in the "Actions" menu on the login screen. Hope this helps. -Rob # GDM Configuration file. You can use gdmsetup program to graphically # edit this, or you can optionally just edit this file by hand. Note that # gdmsetup does not tweak every option here, just the ones most users # would care about. Rest is for special setups and distro specific # tweaks. If you edit this file, you should run: # /etc/init.d/gdm reload or /etc/init.d/gdm restart # For full reference documentation see the gnome help browser under # GNOME|System category. You can also find the docs in HTML form on # http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/ # # NOTE: Some of these are commented out but still show their default values. # If you wish to change them you must remove the '#' from the beginning of # the line. The commented out lines are lines where the default might # change in the future, so set them one way or another if you feel # strongly about it. # # Have fun! - George [daemon] # Automatic login, if true the first local screen will automatically logged # in as user as set with AutomaticLogin key. AutomaticLoginEnable=false AutomaticLogin= # Timed login, useful for kiosks. Log in a certain user after a certain # amount of time TimedLoginEnable=false TimedLogin= TimedLoginDelay=30 # The gdm configuration program that is run from the login screen, you should # probably leave this alone #Configurator=/usr/sbin/gdmsetup --disable-sound --disable-crash-dialog # The chooser program. Must output the chosen host on stdout, probably you # should leave this alone #Chooser=/usr/lib/gdm/gdmchooser # The greeter for local (non-xdmcp) logins. Change gdmlogin to gdmgreeter to # get the new graphical greeter. Greeter=/usr/lib/gdm/gdmgreeter # The greeter for xdmcp logins, usually you want a less graphically intensive # greeter here so it's better to leave this with gdmlogin #RemoteGreeter=/usr/lib/gdm/gdmlogin RemoteGreeter=/usr/lib/gdm/gdmgreeter # Launch the greeter with an additional list of colon seperated gtk # modules. This is useful for enabling additional feature support # e.g. gnome accessibility framework. Only "trusted" modules should # be allowed to minimise security holes #AddGtkModules=false # By default these are the accessibility modules #GtkModulesList=gail:atk-bridge:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libdwellmouselistener:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libkeymouselistener # Default path to set. The profile scripts will likely override this DefaultPath=/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games # Default path for root. The profile scripts will likely override this RootPath=/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games # If you are having trouble with using a single server for a long time and # want gdm to kill/restart the server, turn this on #AlwaysRestartServer=false # User and group used for running gdm GUI applicaitons. By default this # is set to user gdm and group gdm. This user/group should have very # limited permissions and access to ony the gdm directories and files. User=gdm Group=gdm # To try to kill all clients started at greeter time or in the Init script. # doesn't always work, only if those clients have a window of their own #KillInitClients=true LogDir=/var/log/gdm # You should probably never change this value unless you have a weird setup PidFile=/var/run/gdm.pid # Note that a post login script is run before a PreSession script. # It is run after the login is successful and before any setup is # run on behalf of the user PostLoginScriptDir=/etc/gdm/PostLogin/ PreSessionScriptDir=/etc/gdm/PreSession/ PostSessionScriptDir=/etc/gdm/PostSession/ DisplayInitDir=/etc/gdm/Init # Distributions: If you have some script that runs an X server in say # VGA mode, allowing a login, could you please send it to me? #FailsafeXServer= # if X keeps crashing on us we run this script. The default one does a bunch # of cool stuff to figure out what to tell the user and such and can # run an X configuration program. XKeepsCrashing=/etc/gdm/XKeepsCrashing # Reboot, Halt and suspend commands, you can add different commands # separated by a semicolon and gdm will use the first one it can find RebootCommand=/sbin/shutdown -r now \"Rebooted from gdm menu.\" HaltCommand=/sbin/shutdown -h now \"Halted from gdm menu.\" SuspendCommand=/usr/sbin/pmi action sleep HibernateCommand=/usr/sbin/pmi action hibernate # Probably should not touch the below this is the standard setup ServAuthDir=/var/lib/gdm # This is our standard startup script. A bit different from a normal # X session, but it shares a lot of stuff with that. See the provided # default for more information. BaseXsession=/etc/gdm/Xsession # This is a directory where .desktop files describing the sessions live # It is really a PATH style variable since 2.4.4.2 to allow actual # interoperability with KDM. Note that /dm/Sessions is there # for backwards compatibility reasons with 2.4.4.x SessionDesktopDir=/etc/X11/sessions/:/etc/dm/Sessions/:/usr/share/gdm/BuiltInSessions/:/usr/share/xsessions/ # This is the default .desktop session. One of the ones in SessionDesktopDir DefaultSession=default.desktop # Better leave this blank and HOME will be used. You can use syntax ~/ below # to indicate home directory of the user. You can also set this to something # like /tmp if you don't want the authorizations to be in home directories. # This is useful if you have NFS mounted home directories. Note that if this # is the home directory the UserAuthFBDir will still be used in case the home # directory is NFS, see security/NeverPlaceCookiesOnNFS to override this behaviour. UserAuthDir= # Fallback if home directory not writable UserAuthFBDir=/tmp UserAuthFile=.Xauthority # The X server to use if we can't figure out what else to run. StandardXServer=/usr/X11R6/bin/X # The maximum number of flexible X servers to run. #FlexibleXServers=5 # And after how many minutes should we reap the flexible server if there is # no activity and no one logged on. Set to 0 to turn off the reaping. # Does not affect Xnest flexiservers. #FlexiReapDelayMinutes=5 # the X nest command Xnest=/usr/X11R6/bin/Xnest -br -audit 0 -name Xnest # Automatic VT allocation. Right now only works on Linux. This way # we force X to use specific vts. turn VTAllocation to false if this # is causing problems. FirstVT=7 VTAllocation=true # Should double login be treated with a warning (and possibility to change # vts on linux and freebsd systems for console logins) #DoubleLoginWarning=true # Should a second login always resume the current session and # switch vts on linux and freebsd systems for console logins #AlwaysLoginCurrentSession=true # If true then the last login information is printed to the user before # being prompted for password. While this gives away some info on what # users are on a system, it on the other hand should give the user an # idea of when they logged in and if it doesn't seem kosher to them, # they can just abort the login and contact the sysadmin (avoids running # malicious startup scripts) #DisplayLastLogin=false # Program used to play sounds. Should not require any 'daemon' or anything # like that as it will be run when no one is logged in yet. SoundProgram=/usr/lib/gdmplay # These are the languages that the console cannot handle because of font # issues. Here we mean the text console, not X. This is only used # when there are errors to report and we cannot start X. # This is the default: #ConsoleCannotHandle=am,ar,az,bn,el,fa,gu,hi,ja,ko,ml,mr,pa,ta,zh # This determines whether gdm will honor requests DYNAMIC requests from # the gdmdynamic command. #DynamicXServers=false # This determines whether gdm will send notifications to the console #ConsoleNotify=true [security] # If any distributions ship with this one off, they should be shot # this is only local, so it's only for say kiosk use, when you # want to minimize possibility of breakin AllowRoot=false # If you want to be paranoid, turn this one off AllowRemoteRoot=false # This will allow remote timed login AllowRemoteAutoLogin=false # 0 is the most restrictive, 1 allows group write permissions, 2 allows all # write permissions RelaxPermissions=0 # Check if directories are owned by logon user. Set to false, if you have, for # example, home directories owned by some other user. CheckDirOwner=true # Number of seconds to wait after a bad login #RetryDelay=1 # Maximum size of a file we wish to read. This makes it hard for a user to DoS # us by using a large file. #UserMaxFile=65536 # If true this will basically append -nolisten tcp to every X command line, # a good default to have (why is this a "negative" setting? because if # it is false, you could still not allow it by setting command line of # any particular server). It's probably better to ship with this on # since most users will not need this and it's more of a security risk # then anything else. # Note: Anytime we find a -query or -indirect on the command line we do # not add a "-nolisten tcp", as then the query just wouldn't work, so # this setting only affects truly local sessions. DisallowTCP=true # By default never place cookies if we "detect" NFS. We detect NFS # by detecting "root-squashing". It seems bad practice to place # cookies on things that go over the network by default and thus we # don't do it by default. Sometimes you can however use safe remote # filesystems where this is OK and you may want to have the cookie in your # home directory. #NeverPlaceCookiesOnNFS=true # XDMCP is the protocol that allows remote login. If you want to log into # gdm remotely (I'd never turn this on on open network, use ssh for such # remote usage that). You can then run X with -query to log in, # or -indirect to run a chooser. Look for the 'Terminal' server # type at the bottom of this config file. [xdmcp] # Distributions: Ship with this off. It is never a safe thing to leave # out on the net. Setting up /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny to only # allow local access is another alternative but not the safest. # Firewalling port 177 is the safest if you wish to have xdmcp on. # Read the manual for more notes on the security of XDMCP. Enable=true # Honour indirect queries, we run a chooser for these, and then redirect # the user to the chosen host. Otherwise we just log the user in locally. #HonorIndirect=true # Maximum pending requests #MaxPending=4 #MaxPendingIndirect=4 # Maximum open XDMCP sessions at any point in time #MaxSessions=16 # Maximum wait times #MaxWait=15 #MaxWaitIndirect=15 # How many times can a person log in from a single host. Usually better to # keep low to fend off DoS attacks by running many logins from a single # host. This is now set at 2 since if the server crashes then gdm doesn't # know for some time and wouldn't allow another session. #DisplaysPerHost=2 # The number of seconds after which a non-responsive session is logged off. # Better keep this low. #PingIntervalSeconds=15 # The port. 177 is the standard port so better keep it that way #Port=177 # Willing script, none is shipped and by default we'll send # hostname system id. But if you supply something here, the # output of this script will be sent as status of this host so that # the chooser can display it. You could for example send load, # or mail details for some user, or some such. #Willing=/etc/gdm/Xwilling [gui] # The specific gtkrc file we use. It should be the full path to the gtkrc # that we need. Unless you need a specific gtkrc that doesn't correspond to # a specific theme, then just use the GtkTheme key #GtkRC=/usr/share/themes/Default/gtk-2.0/gtkrc # The GTK+ theme to use for the gui GtkTheme=Human # If to allow changing the GTK+ (widget) theme from the greeter. Currently # this only affects the standard greeter as the graphical greeter does # not yet have this ability AllowGtkThemeChange=true # Comma separated list of themes to allow. These must be the names of the # themes installed in the standard locations for gtk themes. You can # also specify 'all' to allow all installed themes. These should be just # the basenames of the themes such as 'Thinice' or 'LowContrast'. GtkThemesToAllow=Human,HighContrast,HighContrastInverse,LowContrast # Maximum size of an icon, larger icons are scaled down #MaxIconWidth=128 #MaxIconHeight=128 [greeter] # Greeter has a nice title bar that the user can move #TitleBar=true # Configuration is available from the system menu of the greeter ConfigAvailable=false # Face browser is enabled. This only works currently for the # standard greeter as it is not yet enabled in the graphical greeter. Browser=false # The default picture in the browser #DefaultFace=/usr/share/pixmaps/nobody.png # User ID's less than the MinimalUID value will not be included in the # face browser or in the gdmselection list for Automatic/Timed login. # They will not be displayed regardless of the settings for # Include and Exclude. MinimalUID=1000 # Users listed in Include will be included in the face browser and in # the gdmsetup selection list for Automatic/Timed login. Users # should be separated by commas. #Include= # Users listed in Exclude are excluded from the face browser and from # the gdmsetup selection list for Automatic/Timed login. Excluded # users will still be able to log in, but will have to type their # username. Users should be separated by commas. Exclude=bin,daemon,adm,lp,sync,shutdown,halt,mail,news,uucp,operator,nobody,gdm,postgres,pvm,rpm # By default, an empty include list means display no users. By setting # IncludeAll to true, the password file will be scanned and all users # will be displayed except users excluded via the Exclude setting and # user ID's less than MinimalUID. Scanning the password file can be # slow on systems with large numbers of users and this feature should # not be used in such environments. The setting of IncludeAll does # nothing if Include is set to a non-empty value. IncludeAll=true # If user or user.png exists in this dir it will be used as his picture #GlobalFaceDir=/usr/share/pixmaps/faces/ # File which contains the locale we show to the user. Likely you want to use # the one shipped with gdm and edit it. It is not a standard locale.alias file, # although gdm will be able to read a standard locale.alias file as well. LocaleFile=/etc/gdm/locale.conf # Logo shown in the standard greeter #Logo=/usr/share/pixmaps/gdmDebianLogo.xpm # The standard greeter should shake if a user entered the wrong username or # password. Kind of cool looking #Quiver=true # The Actions menu (formerly system menu) is shown in the greeter, this is the # menu that contains reboot, shutdown, suspend, config and chooser. None of # these is available if this is off. They can be turned off individually # however SystemMenu=true # The Actions in the Actions menu require the root password SecureSystemMenu=false # Should the chooser button be shown. If this is shown, GDM can drop into # chooser mode which will run the xdmcp chooser locally and allow the user # to connect to some remote host. Local XDMCP does not need to be enabled # however #ChooserButton=true ChooserButton=true # Welcome is for all console logins and RemoteWelcome is for remote logins # (through XDMCP). # DefaultWelcome and DefaultRemoteWelcome set the string for Welcome # to "Welcome" and for DefaultWelcome to "Welcome to %n", and properly # translate the message to the appropriate language. Note that %n gets # translated to the hostname of the machine. These default values can # be overridden by setting DefaultWelcome and/or DefaultRemoteWelcome to # false, and setting the Welcome and DefaultWelcome values as desired. # Just make sure the strings are in utf-8 Note to distributors, if you # wish to have a different Welcome string and wish to have this # translated you can have entries such as "Welcome[cs]=Vitejte na %n". DefaultWelcome=true DefaultRemoteWelcome=true #Welcome=Welcome #RemoteWelcome=Welcome to %n # Don't allow user to move the standard greeter window. Only makes sense # if TitleBar is on #LockPosition=false # Set a position rather then just centering the window. If you enter # negative values for the position it is taken as an offset from the # right or bottom edge. #SetPosition=false #PositionX=0 #PositionY=0 # Xinerama screen we use to display the greeter on. Not for true # multihead, currently only works for Xinerama. #XineramaScreen=0 # Background settings for the standard greeter: # Type can be 0=None, 1=Image, 2=Color #BackgroundType=2 #BackgroundImage= #BackgroundScaleToFit=true BackgroundColor=#523921 # XDMCP session should only get a color, this is the sanest setting since # you don't want to take up too much bandwidth #BackgroundRemoteOnlyColor=true # Program to run to draw the background in the standard greeter. Perhaps # something like an xscreensaver hack or some such. #BackgroundProgram= # if this is true then the background program is run always, otherwise # it is only run when the BackgroundType is 0 (None) #RunBackgroundProgramAlways=false # Show the Failsafe sessions. These are much MUCH nicer (focus for xterm for # example) and more failsafe then those supplied by scripts so distros should # use this rather then just running an xterm from a script. #ShowGnomeFailsafeSession=true #ShowXtermFailsafeSession=true # Normally there is a session type called 'Last' that is shown which refers to # the last session the user used. If off, we will be in 'switchdesk' mode where # the session saving stuff is disabled in GDM #ShowLastSession=true # Always use 24 hour clock no matter what the locale. #Use24Clock=false # Use circles in the password field. Looks kind of cool actually, # but only works with certain fonts. UseCirclesInEntry=true # Do not show any visible feedback in the password field. This is standard # for instance in console, xdm and ssh. #UseInvisibleInEntry=false # These two keys are for the new greeter. Circles is the standard # shipped theme. If you want gdm to select a random theme from a list # then provide a list that is delimited by /: to the GraphicalThemes key and # set GraphicalThemeRand to true. Otherwise use GraphicalTheme and specify # just one theme. GraphicalTheme=happygnome #GraphicalThemes=circles/:happygnome GraphicalThemes=circles GraphicalThemeDir=/usr/share/gdm/themes/ GraphicalThemeRand=false # If InfoMsgFile points to a file, the greeter will display the contents of the # file in a modal dialog box before the user is allowed to log in. #InfoMsgFile= # If InfoMsgFile is present then InfoMsgFont can be used to specify the font # to be used when displaying the contents of the file. #InfoMsgFont=Sans 24 # If SoundOnLogin is true, then the greeter will beep when login is ready # for user input. If SoundOnLogin is a file and the greeter finds the # 'play' executable (see daemon/SoundProgram) it will play that file # instead of just beeping SoundOnLogin=true SoundOnLoginFile=/usr/share/sounds/question.wav # If SoundOnLoginSuccess, then the greeter will play a sound (as above) # when a user successfully logs in #SoundOnLoginSuccess=false #SoundOnLoginSuccessFile= # If SoundOnLoginFailure, then the greeter will play a sound (as above) # when a user fails to log in #SoundOnLoginFailure=false #SoundOnLoginFailureFile= # The chooser is what's displayed when a user wants an indirect XDMCP # session, or selects Run XDMCP chooser from the system menu [chooser] # Default image for hosts #DefaultHostImg=/usr/share/pixmaps/nohost.png # Directory with host images, they are named by the hosts: host or host.png HostImageDir=/usr/share/hosts/ # Time we scan for hosts (well only the time we tell the user we are # scanning actually, we continue to listen even after this has # expired) #ScanTime=4 # A comma separated lists of hosts to automatically add (if they answer to # a query of course). You can use this to reach hosts that broadcast cannot # reach. Hosts= # Broadcast a query to get all hosts on the current network that answer Broadcast=true # Set it to true if you want to send a multicast query to hosts. Multicast=false # It is an IPv6 multicast address.It is hardcoded here and will be replaced when # officially registered xdmcp multicast address of TBD will be available #Multicast_Addr=ff02::1 # Allow adding random hosts to the list by typing in their names #AllowAdd=true [debug] # This will enable debugging into the syslog, usually not neccessary # and it creates a LOT of spew of random stuff to the syslog. However it # can be useful in determining when something is going very wrong. Enable=false [servers] # These are the standard servers. You can add as many you want here # and they will always be started. Each line must start with a unique # number and that will be the display number of that server. Usually just # the 0 server is used. 0=Standard #1=Standard # Note the VTAllocation and FirstVT keys on linux and freebsd. # Don't add any vt arguments if VTAllocation is on, and set FirstVT to # be the first vt available that your gettys don't grab (gettys are usually # dumb and grab even a vt that has already been taken). Using 7 will work # pretty much for all linux distributions. VTAllocation is not currently # implemented on anything but linux and freebsd. Feel free to send patches. # X servers will just not get any extra arguments then. # # If you want to run an X terminal you could add an X server such as this #0=Terminal -query serverhostname # or for a chooser (optionally serverhostname could be localhost) #0=Terminal -indirect serverhostname # # If you wish to run the XDMCP chooser on the local display use the following # line #0=Chooser ## Note: # is your X server not listening to TCP requests? Perhaps you should look # at the security/DisallowTCP setting! # Definition of the standard X server. [server-Standard] name=Standard server command=/usr/X11R6/bin/X -br -audit 0 flexible=true # To use this server type you should add -query host or -indirect host # to the command line [server-Terminal] name=Terminal server # Add -terminate to make things behave more nicely command=/usr/X11R6/bin/X -br -audit 0 -terminate # Make this not appear in the flexible servers (we need extra params # anyway, and terminate would be bad for xdmcp choosing). You can # make a terminal server flexible, but not with an indirect query. # If you need flexible indirect query server, then you must get rid # of the -terminate and the only way to kill the flexible server will # then be by Ctrl-Alt-Backspace flexible=false # Not local, we do not handle the logins for this X server handled=false # To use this server type you should add -query host or -indirect host # to the command line [server-Chooser] name=Chooser server command=/usr/X11R6/bin/X -br -audit 0 # Make this not appear in the flexible servers for now, but if you # wish to allow a chooser server then make this true. This is the # only way to make a flexible chooser server that behaves nicely. flexible=false # Run the chooser instead of the greeter. When the user chooses a # machine they will get this same server but run with # "-terminate -query hostname" chooser=true __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From info at baf-computers.com Tue Nov 29 14:50:24 2005 From: info at baf-computers.com (Les Finch) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:50:24 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Online calendars In-Reply-To: <438B05A9.3030906@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <438B05A9.3030906@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1133275825.12108.6.camel@server.com> A company that I deal with uses http://www.calendars.net/ and its free. Les Finch On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 13:27 +0000, Brian Chivers wrote: > I've been asked to have a look for a calendar that can be shared between users with a web frontend. > > We've been trialing Sunbird / ical but the users have complained about it losing info so I've been > `instructed` to look for something else, preferably that will authenticate against LDAP. > > Any ideas ?? > > Thanks > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- From Mike.Karolow at sprint.com Tue Nov 29 16:18:19 2005 From: Mike.Karolow at sprint.com (Karolow, Mike [IT]) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:18:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Online calendars Message-ID: I've been asked to have a look for a calendar that can be shared between users with a web frontend. -------------- If you are looking for something hosted (and not free or OSS) Joyent's (http://www.joyent.com) hosted solution will be launching soon. It looks great, and I'm told there will be LDAP integration with the address book component. - Mike Karolow From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Tue Nov 29 17:20:51 2005 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:20:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Online calendars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <438C8DF3.1080400@physics.isu.edu> Hoover Chan wrote: > On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Brian Chivers wrote: > >> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:27:05 +0000 >> From: Brian Chivers >> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >> Subject: [K12OSN] Online calendars >> > re: Sunbird/ical losing data > > Under what conditions does it lose data? Repeatable? > I have ical files on a apache server with a webdav share subscribed to from sunbird on windows and linux, and iCal on Mac OsX. It also displays the calendar data on web with PhpICalendar. I have corrupted my calendar file a lost data a few times, but haven't looked into the cause, I just back it up regularly with backupPC. (Thanks Les!) It seems to happen when I have multiple calendars left open in different locations all syncronizing. I'm still looking for a more stable free calendar, preferably with client support on multiple Operating systems. (we can wish, right?) Ben From les at futuresource.com Tue Nov 29 17:41:39 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:41:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Online calendars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1133286099.10491.168.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 10:18, Karolow, Mike [IT] wrote: > I've been asked to have a look for a calendar that can be shared between > users with a web frontend. I've used and liked an older version of http://www.math.utexas.edu/webcalendar/doc/features.html It looks even better now. If you prefer php to perl, this looks similar: http://www.k5n.us/webcalendar.php -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Nov 29 17:46:51 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:46:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Linux developer's summit Message-ID: <438C940B.4040101@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> This week the Open Source Development Labs here in Portland will be hosting a desktop Linux developer's summit. Jim McQuillan and I will be attending ;-) http://www.oregonlive.com/business/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/business/1133236522229150.xml&coll=7 -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Steve Knopik Les Mikesell wrote: >I've used and liked an older version of >http://www.math.utexas.edu/webcalendar/doc/features.html >It looks even better now. > > > > From caldodge at fpcc.net Tue Nov 29 18:50:41 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:50:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Online calendars In-Reply-To: <438C8DF3.1080400@physics.isu.edu> References: <438C8DF3.1080400@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <20051129185041.GA30445@fpcc.net> On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 10:20:51AM -0700, Ben Nickell wrote: > Hoover Chan wrote: > > I have ical files on a apache server with a webdav share subscribed to > from sunbird on windows and linux, and iCal on Mac OsX. It also > displays the calendar data on web with PhpICalendar. > > I have corrupted my calendar file a lost data a few times, but haven't > looked into the cause, I just back it up regularly with backupPC. > (Thanks Les!) > > It seems to happen when I have multiple calendars left open in different > locations all syncronizing. > > I'm still looking for a more stable free calendar, preferably with > client support on multiple Operating systems. (we can wish, right?) You might check out Zimbra (www.zimbra.com). It does more than just calendaring (like email), but it still may be suitable for your purposes. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From thepiano at telenet.be Tue Nov 29 20:21:06 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:21:06 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC reflector and GNOME In-Reply-To: References: <464c38cc0511251044j823cdbbwf2ff3f9acee5cb2d@mail.gmail.com> <24B39179-A016-44C2-9280-97E507F685C8@telenet.be> Message-ID: <14D848AD-B283-47ED-B4DE-BAB6E29497C3@telenet.be> > > Yes. Add the xhost line to /etc/profile > that should do it. If not let me know. I should update the FL_TT docs > to reflect this. I'm going to release ver 0.2 next month. For those in search, you need to add the profile file into the ltsp i386/etc/ directory Adding xhost +192.168.0.254 to the main /etc/profile did not work out so i made a file profile in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ with just a single line in it: xhost +192.168.0.254 and everything is working perfect now :-) in gnome (forget to test if this involves other windowmanagers too ... shame on me...) Kevin ps: Robert, could you include the same style of function for X11vnc in the next release? > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From william at fragakis.com Tue Nov 29 21:44:34 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:44:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp not authoritative question Message-ID: <30d00a9c351fe59e7c966c5169bb1ca4@fragakis.com> I would like to put a k12ltsp server on an existing Win network which has a Cisco router. I don't have the authority (or doubt I could persuade those who do) to make any router changes such as "next server". Is there any way that I might be overlooking to get the booting clients to look for the boot image from the k12ltsp server? I thought of using "not authoritative" but I don't think I can reserve any IP addresses in the range, either. Any other ideas? We, of course, could put the clients behind a switch but that physically limits us to a server per class - because of the cabling layout - and I'd like (and have the horsepower) to serve more clients per server. Could I hand clients a 192.168.x.x address (the win network is 10.x.x.x) and have them only talk to the k12server on the same network? Would this impact the 10.x.x.x Win PCs? Again, any other ideas I'm overlooking? thanks, William Fragakis morrisbrandon.com From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Nov 29 21:54:54 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:54:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp not authoritative question Message-ID: <20051129145454.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.90e2a374b0.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Only if you have a switch that connects to the thin clients and one NIC on the server. The other NIC on the server would then connect to the network where the Cisco Router is connected. That is the default setup on an LTSP server. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp not authoritative question > From: William Fragakis > Date: Tue, November 29, 2005 3:44 pm > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > I would like to put a k12ltsp server on an existing Win network which > has a Cisco router. I don't have the authority (or doubt I could > persuade those who do) to make any router changes such as "next > server". > > Is there any way that I might be overlooking to get the booting clients > to look for the boot image from the k12ltsp server? I thought of using > "not authoritative" but I don't think I can reserve any IP addresses in > the range, either. > > Any other ideas? > > We, of course, could put the clients behind a switch but that > physically limits us to a server per class - because of the cabling > layout - and I'd like (and have the horsepower) to serve more clients > per server. > > Could I hand clients a 192.168.x.x address (the win network is > 10.x.x.x) and have them only talk to the k12server on the same network? > Would this impact the 10.x.x.x Win PCs? Again, any other ideas I'm > overlooking? > > thanks, > William Fragakis > morrisbrandon.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Tue Nov 29 22:15:45 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:15:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp not authoritative question In-Reply-To: <30d00a9c351fe59e7c966c5169bb1ca4@fragakis.com> References: <30d00a9c351fe59e7c966c5169bb1ca4@fragakis.com> Message-ID: <1133302545.10491.300.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 15:44, William Fragakis wrote: > We, of course, could put the clients behind a switch but that > physically limits us to a server per class - because of the cabling > layout - and I'd like (and have the horsepower) to serve more clients > per server. > > Could I hand clients a 192.168.x.x address (the win network is > 10.x.x.x) and have them only talk to the k12server on the same network? > Would this impact the 10.x.x.x Win PCs? Again, any other ideas I'm > overlooking? You'll break the existing network if you add another DHCP server. You either have to use separate networks (physical or VLAN) or configure your DHCP server to use an alternate port and use a corresponding boot floppy. I haven't done this but it has been discussed on the list some time ago. If you start with the alternate port approach, perhaps at some point you can get the Cisco dhcp disabled or modified so PXE booting will work. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Tue Nov 29 22:55:06 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:55:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Online calendars In-Reply-To: <438C9760.1090200@sierra-computer.com> References: <1133286099.10491.168.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <438C9760.1090200@sierra-computer.com> Message-ID: <1133304906.10491.322.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 12:01, Steve Knopik wrote: > >I've used and liked an older version of > >http://www.math.utexas.edu/webcalendar/doc/features.html > >It looks even better now. > This is the same calendar that we use in our office. I tried a lot of > different calendar programs and settled on this one because of the > features. The only thing that I have had trouble with is getting it to > work under mod_perl. Did you get it to run under mod_perl? The calender > runs just fine as a CGI script but runs slower than under mod_perl. Yes, I used mod_perl but that was a much older version of the program. I just tried a copy of the current version on a k12ltsp-4.2EL box and it looks OK, although I had to move the 'PerlRequire' line above the entry where it was in the example httpd.conf entry. What kind of trouble are you having? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From codezilla at email.com Tue Nov 29 23:56:54 2005 From: codezilla at email.com (Patrick Haggood) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:56:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Online calendars Message-ID: <20051129235655.0B78CCDA0D@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> If you're going to the effort of creating an online calendar, I'd suggest going ahead and installing one of the popular groupware products like PhPGroupware or PhpNuke; these include web calendars and a host of other features that you can initially disable but then integrate slowly over time so as not to overwhelm your user base. http://www.phpgroupware.org/ http://www.phpnukeservices.com/index.php -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Nov 30 02:31:42 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:31:42 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp not authoritative question Message-ID: <200511300435.jAU4Z8w04788@downeast.net> i have all alternate port dhcp if you need a hand...except for the proprietary stuff like netvista and Macintosh..chuck > On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 15:44, William Fragakis wrote: > > > We, of course, could put the clients behind a switch but that > > physically limits us to a server per class - because of the cabling > > layout - and I'd like (and have the horsepower) to serve more clients > > per server. > > > > Could I hand clients a 192.168.x.x address (the win network is > > 10.x.x.x) and have them only talk to the k12server on the same network? > > Would this impact the 10.x.x.x Win PCs? Again, any other ideas I'm > > overlooking? > . > You'll break the existing network if you add another DHCP server. You > either have to use separate networks (physical or VLAN) or configure > your DHCP server to use an alternate port and use a corresponding boot > floppy. I haven't done this but it has been discussed on the list > some time ago. If you start with the alternate port approach, perhaps > at some point you can get the Cisco dhcp disabled or modified so > PXE booting will work. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 30 03:27:11 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:27:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Online calendars In-Reply-To: <1133304906.10491.322.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1133286099.10491.168.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <438C9760.1090200@sierra-computer.com> <1133304906.10491.322.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1133321231.27589.80.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 16:55, Les Mikesell wrote: > Yes, I used mod_perl but that was a much older version of the > program. I just tried a copy of the current version on a k12ltsp-4.2EL > box and it looks OK, although I had to move the 'PerlRequire' line > above the entry where it was in the example httpd.conf > entry. What kind of trouble are you having? Oops - I spoke too soon, it wasn't really using mod_perl because I had the wrong. It needed some other changes to the config to adapt to Apache 2.x. I added: PerlModule Apache2 Apache::compat (not sure if needed or not) PerlOptions +ParseHeaders and replaced PerlHandler Apache::Registry with PerlResponseHandler ModPerl::Registry -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From laurasumlin at msn.com Wed Nov 30 04:00:14 2005 From: laurasumlin at msn.com (Laura Sumlin) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:00:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Wed Nov 30 04:28:04 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:28:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1133324884.27589.98.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 22:00, Laura Sumlin wrote: > any way to get me off this mailing list? Click the link at the bottom of the message: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn and unsubscribe at the bottom of the page. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From info at proex-india.com Wed Nov 30 05:14:01 2005 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:44:01 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS problem with HP vectra machine Message-ID: <200511300607.jAU66wxT012039@mx2.redhat.com> hello, I am getting the NFS mount problem with HP-vetra p200 machines, the process gets very slow while mounting NFs file it just stops at doing pivot root. I passed the parameters metinoned by Jim in ealier mails , but the issue remains same. How to check whether the PCI solt is proper or not ? If i try any other machine , it works perfect , but with HP-vectra 200 series 2 it gives me this error. Help or directiones in this will be apprecaited Regards K.dinesh *********************************************************************** In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? *********************************************************************** This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by software viruses. *********************************************************************** -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/188 - Release Date: 11/29/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/188 - Release Date: 11/29/05 From edward at netday.org.za Wed Nov 30 05:32:00 2005 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 07:32:00 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A3EAADF-1317-4F6D-815F-DD82E60A624B@netday.org.za> On 30 Nov 2005, at 6:00 AM, Laura Sumlin wrote: > any way to get me off this mailing list? Follow the instructions on this web page: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Nov 30 06:22:56 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 01:22:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Would like feedback...(OS and Education Mag) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, November 28, 2005 at 8:36 PM +0000 wrote: >[Dave T. - Any chance we could devote some time at one of the NELS >gatherings to push forward such an effort?] Sure, but I'm hoping it'll be long underway by then....I mentioned it several times today at the McAuliffe conference....I did 4 presentations today. Two on K12LTSP and Linux in Ed in general.....one on Ubuntu.....and a Skype tele-conference/presentation with Jon "Maddog" Hall who happened to be in Brazil today.....that, I have to admit, was pretty cool. Essentially Maddog and I had a conversation in front of a full session (we ran out of chairs) and he did an OpenOffice Impress presentation (that I controlled on my end) to the audience. Maddog is a great guy and a Linux legend (pres of Linux International and close friend to Linus)....I've met him many times and had the opportunity to get to know him and talk at length with him last summer at our NELS conference. (He was there the entire 3 days) The facts and so forth that he presents in his talks...never cease to amaze me. The reception for a "Tux Mag" style publication for education was VERY positive. We need to move on this idea. One of the best ways to get started would be to post a wiki where the raw text of the submissions could begin. I'll see if I can't throw up a MoinMoin or a Dokuwiki sometime tomorrow and we can play. (not a big fan of MediaWiki....so don't ask.....I love Twiki, but hate the install.....Dokuwiki is the easiest tro install and most newbie friendly....MoinMoin is the most aesthetically pleasing.....I can put up both and we can pick one after playing. Tim....if you'd rather host it....go for it. (but Mediawiki ain't for newbies...too cryptic in its formatting syntax stuff) MoinMoin is easy to set up and Dokuwiki is a cinch....(simply unpack it in the directory you want it to live in) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 30 11:02:42 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 03:02:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp not authoritative question In-Reply-To: <1133302545.10491.300.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20051130110242.62783.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've used DHCP on an alternate port in the past. It works, and it serves the purpose you need: to not interfere with the existing DHCP server. Using rom-o-matic you can make a boot floppy that looks for DHCP on the alternate port. -Rob --- Les Mikesell wrote: > You'll break the existing network if you add another > DHCP server. You > either have to use separate networks (physical or > VLAN) or configure > your DHCP server to use an alternate port and use a > corresponding boot > floppy. I haven't done this but it has been > discussed on the list > some time ago. If you start with the alternate port > approach, perhaps > at some point you can get the Cisco dhcp disabled or > modified so > PXE booting will work. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From gumprechtm at msad3.org Wed Nov 30 11:32:55 2005 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 06:32:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS problem with HP vectra machine In-Reply-To: <200511300607.jAU66wxT012039@mx2.redhat.com> References: <200511300607.jAU66wxT012039@mx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <438D8DE7.4000701@msad3.org> Are you Pxe or ethernet? Here's the link to the doc I used, It is on the ltsp site. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding It has both. I did have problems with a managed gig switch that had the capabilities to shut off the managed side. I shut the managed side down and it worked fine. Also, I had someone make a bunch of cables that were straight through, no crossed pair, that screwed me for a while. HTH Mark info wrote: >hello, >I am getting the NFS mount problem with HP-vetra p200 machines, >the process gets very slow while mounting NFs file it just stops at >doing pivot root. >I passed the parameters metinoned by Jim in ealier mails , but the issue > remains same. >How to check whether the PCI solt is proper or not ? >If i try any other machine , it works perfect , but with HP-vectra 200 >series 2 it gives me this error. > >Help or directiones in this will be apprecaited > >Regards >K.dinesh > >*********************************************************************** >In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? >*********************************************************************** >This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus >detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry >out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company >accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by >software viruses. >*********************************************************************** > > > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From bthomas at psysolutions.com Wed Nov 30 15:44:37 2005 From: bthomas at psysolutions.com (Brad Thomas) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:44:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Nvidia boot disk Message-ID: <438DC8E5.3010009@psysolutions.com> I am trying to locate a boot disk to work with a Nvidia NIC off of the Rom-o-matic website. The full description under Device Manager is: NVIDIA nForce MCP Networking Controller. Can anyone give me a hint as to which family of drivers to go with off of their website? Thanks. From tlegge at rogers.com Wed Nov 30 16:06:24 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:06:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Nvidia boot disk In-Reply-To: <438DC8E5.3010009@psysolutions.com> Message-ID: <20051130160624.87678.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> forcedeth --- Brad Thomas wrote: > I am trying to locate a boot disk to work with a > Nvidia NIC off of the > Rom-o-matic website. The full description under > Device Manager is: > NVIDIA nForce MCP Networking Controller. Can anyone > give me a hint as > to which family of drivers to go with off of their > website? > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bthomas at psysolutions.com Wed Nov 30 16:15:00 2005 From: bthomas at psysolutions.com (Brad Thomas) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:15:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Nvidia boot disk In-Reply-To: <20051130160624.87678.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20051130160624.87678.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <438DD004.2010401@psysolutions.com> Thanks. Works great! Timothy Legge wrote: >forcedeth > >--- Brad Thomas wrote: > > > >>I am trying to locate a boot disk to work with a >>Nvidia NIC off of the >>Rom-o-matic website. The full description under >>Device Manager is: >>NVIDIA nForce MCP Networking Controller. Can anyone >>give me a hint as >>to which family of drivers to go with off of their >>website? >> >>Thanks. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Nov 30 16:13:44 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:13:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Software Cross Reference Matrix Message-ID: <20051130161124.M21632@winonacotter.org> I know I have seen posts in the past here regarding a cross reference matrix with open source alternatives compared to popular Mac/Windows applications, but cannot find the darn thing now. Could anyone help point me to one? I am really hitting one of our schools in the area hard to switch instead of going with OSX or Windows and they have requested a matrix. Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From tlegge at rogers.com Wed Nov 30 16:24:26 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:24:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Nvidia boot disk In-Reply-To: <438DD004.2010401@psysolutions.com> Message-ID: <20051130162426.26254.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I am glad to hear it. Tim --- Brad Thomas wrote: > Thanks. Works great! > > Timothy Legge wrote: > > >forcedeth > > > >--- Brad Thomas wrote: > > > > > > > >>I am trying to locate a boot disk to work with a > >>Nvidia NIC off of the > >>Rom-o-matic website. The full description under > >>Device Manager is: > >>NVIDIA nForce MCP Networking Controller. Can > anyone > >>give me a hint as > >>to which family of drivers to go with off of their > >>website? > >> > >>Thanks. > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Wed Nov 30 18:14:59 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:14:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Software Cross Reference Matrix In-Reply-To: <20051130161124.M21632@winonacotter.org> References: <20051130161124.M21632@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <438DEC23.3040905@maltzen.net> Googling for 'windows applications linux equivalent' turned up these: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Linux_software_equivalent_to_Windows_software http://www.linux.ie/newusers/alternatives.php http://web.mit.edu/ist/topics/linux/equivalents.html Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I know I have seen posts in the past here regarding a cross reference matrix > with open source alternatives compared to popular Mac/Windows applications, > but cannot find the darn thing now. > > Could anyone help point me to one? I am really hitting one of our schools in > the area hard to switch instead of going with OSX or Windows and they have > requested a matrix. > > Thanks > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Nov 30 19:11:09 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:11:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Software Cross Reference Matrix In-Reply-To: <438DEC23.3040905@maltzen.net> References: <20051130161124.M21632@winonacotter.org> <438DEC23.3040905@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20051130191020.M33944@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:14:59 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote > Googling for 'windows applications linux equivalent' turned up these: > > http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Linux_software_equivalent_to_Windows_software > > http://www.linux.ie/newusers/alternatives.php > > http://web.mit.edu/ist/topics/linux/equivalents.html > > Petre Thanks Petre, I was thinking of one in particular that was a little more education centric and also had some popular mac programs on it. This will at least give me a start. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 19:37:01 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:37:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS problem with HP vectra machine In-Reply-To: <438D8DE7.4000701@msad3.org> References: <200511300607.jAU66wxT012039@mx2.redhat.com> <438D8DE7.4000701@msad3.org> Message-ID: <9bd317560511301137q28d19598qcd5abd17e5873b93@mail.gmail.com> Even with the fixes I still get piviot root problems. But they go away after I reboot the local switch. I guess it's flaky. FWIW. Peter On 11/30/05, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Are you Pxe or ethernet? Here's the link to the doc I used, It is on the > ltsp site. > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding > It has both. I did have problems with a managed gig switch that had the > capabilities to shut off the managed side. I shut the managed side down > and it worked fine. Also, I had someone make a bunch of cables that were > straight through, no crossed pair, that screwed me for a while. > HTH > Mark > > info wrote: > > >hello, > >I am getting the NFS mount problem with HP-vetra p200 machines, > >the process gets very slow while mounting NFs file it just stops at > >doing pivot root. > >I passed the parameters metinoned by Jim in ealier mails , but the issue > > remains same. > >How to check whether the PCI solt is proper or not ? > >If i try any other machine , it works perfect , but with HP-vectra 200 > >series 2 it gives me this error. > > > >Help or directiones in this will be apprecaited > > > >Regards > >K.dinesh > > > >*********************************************************************** > >In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? > >*********************************************************************** > >This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus > >detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry > >out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company > >accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by > >software viruses. > >*********************************************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msad3.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 20:29:53 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:29:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Nice Windows to Linux migration site Message-ID: I thought I would share this http://searchopensource.techtarget.com/general/0,295582,sid39_gci1146951,00.html -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From nbs at sonic.net Wed Nov 30 23:35:32 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:35:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Software Cross Reference Matrix In-Reply-To: <438DEC23.3040905@maltzen.net> References: <20051130161124.M21632@winonacotter.org> <438DEC23.3040905@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20051130233532.GA7464@sonic.net> On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 12:14:59PM -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > Googling for 'windows applications linux equivalent' turned up these: > > http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Linux_software_equivalent_to_Windows_software /me adds tux paint to the page... ;) -bill!