From scott at hosef.org Sat Oct 1 00:22:51 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:22:51 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org> <80d7e40905092913362eff552f@mail.gmail.com> <200509291143.39602.scott@hosef.org> Message-ID: <433DD6DB.80402@hosef.org> Todd O'Bryan wrote: > > On Sep 29, 2005, at 5:43 PM, R. Scott Belford wrote: > >> >>> 4) What does top/ps say? >>> >> >> I am asking a school to do this for us. Asking an overworked teacher, >> though, >> to coordinate this while managing 30 students is, well, overwhelming. We >> will likely have to get a volunteer on site for this. > > > If the server is attached to the net, you should be able to log in > remotely and see what's going on. Have them give you a call the next > time they log in and take a look while they're doing it. > > Todd > Thanks. Once upon a time we could log in to help administer, but it has been confirmed as of yesterday that our DOE now blocks ssh from the 'outside' world. It will take a bit more coordination, but we'll get some answers to the questions on the table. --scott From robark at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 00:23:32 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 17:23:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID1 failure: need help Message-ID: Wondering what I should do first. Any advice? Never been in this situation before. System is still working fine on 1 drive. BTW md0 is / md1 is /home md2 is /var md3 is swap [ark at server ~]$ cat /proc/mdstat Personalities : [raid1] md1 : active raid1 sdb2[2](F) sda2[0] 20482752 blocks [2/1] [U_] md2 : active raid1 sdb3[1] sda3[0] 2048192 blocks [2/2] [UU] md3 : active raid1 sdb4[1] sda4[0] 1020032 blocks [2/2] [UU] md0 : active raid1 sdb1[2](F) sda1[0] 12289600 blocks [2/1] [U_] Here is where it puked in /var/log/messages Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: (scsi1:A:1): 160.000MB/s transfers (80.000MHz DT, 16bit) Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: SCSI error : <1 0 1 0> return code = 0x50000 Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 46199 Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: raid1: Disk failure on sdb1, disabling device. Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: Operation continuing on 1 devices Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: SCSI error : <1 0 1 0> return code = 0x50000 Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 50548194 Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: raid1: Disk failure on sdb2, disabling device. Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: Operation continuing on 1 devices Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: RAID1 conf printout: Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: --- wd:1 rd:2 Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: disk 0, wo:0, o:1, dev:sda2 Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: disk 1, wo:1, o:0, dev:sdb2 Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: RAID1 conf printout: Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: --- wd:1 rd:2 Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: disk 0, wo:0, o:1, dev:sda2 Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: RAID1 conf printout: Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: --- wd:1 rd:2 Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: disk 0, wo:0, o:1, dev:sda1 Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: disk 1, wo:1, o:0, dev:sdb1 Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: RAID1 conf printout: Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: --- wd:1 rd:2 Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: disk 0, wo:0, o:1, dev:sda1 -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From tlegge at rogers.com Sat Oct 1 01:18:11 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 22:18:11 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID1 failure: need help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <433DE3D3.30607@rogers.com> Hi Basically you need to add the drive/partitions back to each raid set. I had to do this a few weeks ago (thankfully bash history kept the commands): First off ensure that you know which physical device goes with which raid set (I spent a bunch of time going back and forth between the disk layout in the hardware browser and the command line). However, I see now that the cat of /proc/mdstat shows that information. I am not sure whether it did for me or not. When you are sure, you run commands like the following for each partition and raid set to add in the missing partition: mdadm --manage /dev/md1 --add /dev/sda2 mdadm --manage /dev/md2 --add /dev/sda3 mdadm --manage /dev/md3 --add /dev/sda4 mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --add /dev/sda1 They are run one at a time if partitions in multiple raid sets share the same physical device. I did it on my home machine and saw no real issue with performance but your results my vary. The commands above look like they will work given the details you provided but I take no responsibility for whatever happens if you assume I know what I am talking about (or that I can type). ;-) Regards and good luck Tim Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Wondering what I should do first. Any advice? Never been in this > situation before. System is still working fine on 1 drive. BTW > md0 is / > md1 is /home > md2 is /var > md3 is swap > > [ark at server ~]$ cat /proc/mdstat > Personalities : [raid1] > md1 : active raid1 sdb2[2](F) sda2[0] > 20482752 blocks [2/1] [U_] > > md2 : active raid1 sdb3[1] sda3[0] > 2048192 blocks [2/2] [UU] > > md3 : active raid1 sdb4[1] sda4[0] > 1020032 blocks [2/2] [UU] > > md0 : active raid1 sdb1[2](F) sda1[0] > 12289600 blocks [2/1] [U_] > > Here is where it puked in /var/log/messages > > Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: (scsi1:A:1): 160.000MB/s transfers > (80.000MHz DT, 16bit) > Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: SCSI error : <1 0 1 0> return code = 0x50000 > Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 46199 > Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: raid1: Disk failure on sdb1, disabling device. > Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: Operation continuing on 1 devices > Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: SCSI error : <1 0 1 0> return code = 0x50000 > Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 50548194 > Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: raid1: Disk failure on sdb2, disabling device. > Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: Operation continuing on 1 devices > Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: RAID1 conf printout: > Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: --- wd:1 rd:2 > Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: disk 0, wo:0, o:1, dev:sda2 > Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: disk 1, wo:1, o:0, dev:sdb2 > Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: RAID1 conf printout: > Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: --- wd:1 rd:2 > Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: disk 0, wo:0, o:1, dev:sda2 > Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: RAID1 conf printout: > Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: --- wd:1 rd:2 > Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: disk 0, wo:0, o:1, dev:sda1 > Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: disk 1, wo:1, o:0, dev:sdb1 > Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: RAID1 conf printout: > Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: --- wd:1 rd:2 > Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: disk 0, wo:0, o:1, dev:sda1 > > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From tlegge at rogers.com Sat Oct 1 01:20:32 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 22:20:32 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID1 failure: need help In-Reply-To: <433DE3D3.30607@rogers.com> References: <433DE3D3.30607@rogers.com> Message-ID: <433DE460.8030106@rogers.com> BTW, when my issue occurred, I had had a power outage. Did something similar happen there? Tim Timothy Legge wrote: > Hi > > Basically you need to add the drive/partitions back to each raid set. I > had to do this a few weeks ago (thankfully bash history kept the commands): > > First off ensure that you know which physical device goes with which > raid set (I spent a bunch of time going back and forth between the disk > layout in the hardware browser and the command line). However, I see > now that the cat of /proc/mdstat shows that information. I am not sure > whether it did for me or not. > > When you are sure, you run commands like the following for each > partition and raid set to add in the missing partition: > > mdadm --manage /dev/md1 --add /dev/sda2 > mdadm --manage /dev/md2 --add /dev/sda3 > mdadm --manage /dev/md3 --add /dev/sda4 > mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --add /dev/sda1 > > They are run one at a time if partitions in multiple raid sets share the > same physical device. I did it on my home machine and saw no real issue > with performance but your results my vary. > > The commands above look like they will work given the details you > provided but I take no responsibility for whatever happens if you assume > I know what I am talking about (or that I can type). ;-) > > Regards and good luck > > Tim > > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >> Wondering what I should do first. Any advice? Never been in this >> situation before. System is still working fine on 1 drive. BTW >> md0 is / >> md1 is /home >> md2 is /var >> md3 is swap >> >> [ark at server ~]$ cat /proc/mdstat >> Personalities : [raid1] >> md1 : active raid1 sdb2[2](F) sda2[0] >> 20482752 blocks [2/1] [U_] >> >> md2 : active raid1 sdb3[1] sda3[0] >> 2048192 blocks [2/2] [UU] >> >> md3 : active raid1 sdb4[1] sda4[0] >> 1020032 blocks [2/2] [UU] >> >> md0 : active raid1 sdb1[2](F) sda1[0] >> 12289600 blocks [2/1] [U_] >> >> Here is where it puked in /var/log/messages >> >> Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: (scsi1:A:1): 160.000MB/s transfers >> (80.000MHz DT, 16bit) >> Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: SCSI error : <1 0 1 0> return code = >> 0x50000 >> Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector >> 46199 >> Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: raid1: Disk failure on sdb1, disabling >> device. >> Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: Operation continuing on 1 devices >> Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: SCSI error : <1 0 1 0> return code = >> 0x50000 >> Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector >> 50548194 >> Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: raid1: Disk failure on sdb2, disabling >> device. >> Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: Operation continuing on 1 devices >> Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: RAID1 conf printout: >> Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: --- wd:1 rd:2 >> Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: disk 0, wo:0, o:1, dev:sda2 >> Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: disk 1, wo:1, o:0, dev:sdb2 >> Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: RAID1 conf printout: >> Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: --- wd:1 rd:2 >> Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: disk 0, wo:0, o:1, dev:sda2 >> Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: RAID1 conf printout: >> Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: --- wd:1 rd:2 >> Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: disk 0, wo:0, o:1, dev:sda1 >> Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: disk 1, wo:1, o:0, dev:sdb1 >> Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: RAID1 conf printout: >> Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: --- wd:1 rd:2 >> Sep 30 08:48:03 server kernel: disk 0, wo:0, o:1, dev:sda1 >> >> >> >> -- >> Robert Arkiletian >> C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Oct 1 01:24:29 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 21:24:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts In-Reply-To: <17e459f17e92f3.17e92f317e459f@shaw.ca> References: <17e459f17e92f3.17e92f317e459f@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1128129869.4045.190.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> You might try running the dos2unix command on it. That's how I've always gotten rid of the ^M's. --TP On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 15:38 -0700, NONE NONE wrote: > Ugh... So the new line chars are wrong I guess... Is there a simple way to fix that? I opened the test script in emacs and saw a bunch of ^M on the ends of the lines... I deleted them and saved, and then it ran fine. But now the main file won't run and emacs isn't showing ^M anymore.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Les Mikesell > Date: Friday, September 30, 2005 3:17 pm > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] creating accounts > > > On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 17:02, NONE NONE wrote: > > > > > Now, I must be an idiot because the script doesn't work (though > > now the commands themselves, pasted individually, do!). > > > > > groupadd grade1 > > > > > > + groupadd $'grade1\r' > > > is a not a valid group name > > > > What did you use to edit the script? That doesn't look like plain > > text. > > -- > > Les Mikesell > > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Sat Oct 1 01:38:06 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:38:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID1 failure: need help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1128130686.26964.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 19:23, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Wondering what I should do first. Any advice? Never been in this > situation before. System is still working fine on 1 drive. BTW > md0 is / > md1 is /home > md2 is /var > md3 is swap > > [ark at server ~]$ cat /proc/mdstat > Personalities : [raid1] > md1 : active raid1 sdb2[2](F) sda2[0] > 20482752 blocks [2/1] [U_] > > md2 : active raid1 sdb3[1] sda3[0] > 2048192 blocks [2/2] [UU] > > md3 : active raid1 sdb4[1] sda4[0] > 1020032 blocks [2/2] [UU] > > md0 : active raid1 sdb1[2](F) sda1[0] > 12289600 blocks [2/1] [U_] > Assuming you can shut the machine down, swap in a good drive for sdb - preferably one with no linux filesystem labels or raid partitions that might confuse things on the initial boot. The machine should boot normally with all of the md devices 'broken' but working anyway. Do an 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' to see the partition setup on the working disk. fdisk /dev/sdb and duplicate it, setting the partition types to 'FD' (linux raid). Then for each md device, add the corresponding partition: mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sb1 (etc.) cat /proc/mdstat will show the resync status. If you have hot swap disk carriers you can do this without shutting down, but you need a few more steps to fail and remove the still-working partitions from the raid, and then to remove the scsi device and add one back. If you are using grub and want to be able to boot with a failed first drive you need to repeat the operation to install grub on it. And if the drive is still under warranty, go the the mfg's web site, put in the serial number, and get an RMA. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Sat Oct 1 01:44:20 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:44:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts In-Reply-To: <17e459f17e92f3.17e92f317e459f@shaw.ca> References: <17e459f17e92f3.17e92f317e459f@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1128131060.26964.29.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 17:38, NONE NONE wrote: > Ugh... So the new line chars are wrong I guess... Is there > a simple way to fix that? I opened the test script in > emacs and saw a bunch of ^M on the ends of the lines... > I deleted them and saved, and then it ran fine. But now > the main file won't run and emacs isn't showing ^M anymore.... In vi, :set fileformat=unix then save with :w if you didn't make any other changes. I'm not sure what that $' character was, though. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From tlegge at rogers.com Sat Oct 1 02:03:02 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 23:03:02 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID1 failure: need help In-Reply-To: <1128130686.26964.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1128130686.26964.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <433DEE56.1010101@rogers.com> Les Mikesell wrote: > Assuming you can shut the machine down, swap in a good drive for > sdb - preferably one with no linux filesystem labels or raid > partitions that might confuse things on the initial boot. When I had this occur, it was a case of a power outage causing the disks to break the raid set. I reviewed everything including running the manufacturers tool to determine whether there was a drive issue. There was not, and I have been running with raid for a month or more since I re added the missing partitions and I have not had any further issue. Tim From les at futuresource.com Sat Oct 1 02:10:31 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 21:10:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID1 failure: need help In-Reply-To: <433DEE56.1010101@rogers.com> References: <1128130686.26964.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <433DEE56.1010101@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1128132631.26964.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 21:03, Timothy Legge wrote: > > Assuming you can shut the machine down, swap in a good drive for > > sdb - preferably one with no linux filesystem labels or raid > > partitions that might confuse things on the initial boot. > > When I had this occur, it was a case of a power outage causing the disks > to break the raid set. I reviewed everything including running the > manufacturers tool to determine whether there was a drive issue. There > was not, and I have been running with raid for a month or more since I > re added the missing partitions and I have not had any further issue. That can happen, but the 'dmesg' log posted showed hardware errors reading sectors. I'd at least want to low-level it before trying again and it's pretty likely to be a bad drive. smartctl -a /dev/sdb might tell you how bad. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From tlegge at rogers.com Sat Oct 1 02:21:29 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 23:21:29 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID1 failure: need help In-Reply-To: <1128132631.26964.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1128130686.26964.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <433DEE56.1010101@rogers.com> <1128132631.26964.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <433DF2A9.1040209@rogers.com> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 21:03, Timothy Legge wrote: > > >>>Assuming you can shut the machine down, swap in a good drive for >>>sdb - preferably one with no linux filesystem labels or raid >>>partitions that might confuse things on the initial boot. >> >>When I had this occur, it was a case of a power outage causing the disks >>to break the raid set. I reviewed everything including running the >>manufacturers tool to determine whether there was a drive issue. There >>was not, and I have been running with raid for a month or more since I >>re added the missing partitions and I have not had any further issue. > > > That can happen, but the 'dmesg' log posted showed hardware errors > reading sectors. I'd at least want to low-level it before trying > again and it's pretty likely to be a bad drive. > smartctl -a /dev/sdb might tell you how bad. I do remember seeing raid1: Disk failure on sdb1, disabling device when I had the issue and some other nasty stuff unfortunately, my old logs are gone. I knew my raid was out of sink for a week or more and I did a update of grub anyway. Not a good idea :-( I had to physically switch the drives in order to boot off the "good drive". That got me worried and I did all the tests the hard drive manufactures tool allowed and as I said things have been fine. While I was pretty sure initially I had a bad drive I just could not prove it and once the raid set rebuilt itself I was fine. If Robert is lucky he may get similar results. Tim From samps at unplugd.com Sat Oct 1 04:20:04 2005 From: samps at unplugd.com (Samps) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 13:50:04 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <433DD6DB.80402@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org> <80d7e40905092913362eff552f@mail.gmail.com> <200509291143.39602.scott@hosef.org> <433DD6DB.80402@hosef.org> Message-ID: <433E0E74.7020105@unplugd.com> I had look at oooforum.org, searching for DNS (as suggested by David Trask) and it seems likely that the slow opening problem really is DNS related. Others suggest changing proxy and memory settings within OOo, a theory I choose to discard due to having never changed these at the of realising that my installations where working or not. My problem is now that I haven't been able to make it work using any of the suggestions. If someone can 'talk' me through setting up caching proxy... A few direct links for those interested: http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=4516&highlight=dns http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=6341&highlight=dns http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=2032&highlight=dns http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=4521&highlight=dns http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=3041&highlight=dns http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=2624&highlight=dns cheers Samps From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 04:35:08 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 21:35:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 'Live' LTSP & ClusterKnoppix+LTSP In-Reply-To: <433DF2A9.1040209@rogers.com> References: <1128130686.26964.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <433DEE56.1010101@rogers.com> <1128132631.26964.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <433DF2A9.1040209@rogers.com> Message-ID: <433E11FC.70305@gmail.com> I am trying to find a set of live LTSP iso's so I can easily demo it for my local schoolboard without setting up a lot of hard/software. I checked on Google, but don't have time to check through all 35,000+ pages. While I was looking, I can across ClusterKnoppix (http://bofh.be/clusterknoppix/) which /seems/ like a possible solution. Does anyone have any experience with this or know where I can find a live LTSP cd? Thanks Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting From robark at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 06:00:22 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 23:00:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID1 failure: need help In-Reply-To: <1128130686.26964.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1128130686.26964.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On 9/30/05, Les Mikesell wrote: > > Assuming you can shut the machine down, swap in a good drive for > sdb - preferably one with no linux filesystem labels or raid > partitions that might confuse things on the initial boot. > The machine should boot normally with all of the md devices > 'broken' but working anyway. Thanks for the quick replies guys. I have a few more comments and questions. After looking at the logs it seems this happened when a full class was logging on. It's not a power failure situation. Last year (when I was running 3.1.2 without raid) I had this same drive flake out on me with i/o errors. So I ran multiple checks on it with seagate diagnostic utils and also the built-in scsi controller bios tests. Everything came up negative. So I figured the drive was okay. I figured it must have been the fault of the scsi controller driver. My controller is the Adaptec aic7902w. Wondering if you guys have the same controller? Anyway, now I don't trust this drive any more even if the diagnostics say it's okay again. I'm going to buy another hd. Question: Do I need to get the exact same model? I know they have to be the same size but I can't get the older model with 2 heads/ 1 platter. The new ones comes with 1head for the same 36gb size. So it's higher density. BTW have you guys seen this sfdisk -d /dev/sda > partition.sda sfdisk -d /dev/sdb > partition.sdb then to restore sfdisk /dev/sdb < partition.sdb or sfdisk /dev/sda < partition.sda Is it better to do it manually with fdisk? > Do an 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' to see the partition setup on > the working disk. fdisk /dev/sdb and duplicate it, setting > the partition types to 'FD' (linux raid). > Then for each md device, add the corresponding partition: > mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sb1 (etc.) > cat /proc/mdstat > will show the resync status. Will do. Thanks Les. > > If you have hot swap disk carriers you can do this without > shutting down, but you need a few more steps to fail and > remove the still-working partitions from the raid, and then > to remove the scsi device and add one back. > No hot swapping. > If you are using grub and want to be able to boot with a > failed first drive you need to repeat the operation to > install grub on it. Thanks. I would have forgot this. I still have the notes you helped me do this with (not that long ago) > > And if the drive is still under warranty, go the the mfg's web > site, put in the serial number, and get an RMA. It is. But I'm afraid it may show up as good. I'll try doing diagnostics on it again. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From edward at netday.org.za Sat Oct 1 07:14:52 2005 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 09:14:52 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <433E0E74.7020105@unplugd.com> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org> <80d7e40905092913362eff552f@mail.gmail.com> <200509291143.39602.scott@hosef.org> <433DD6DB.80402@hosef.org> <433E0E74.7020105@unplugd.com> Message-ID: While I don't have a solution, I just want to confirm the same problem on ten of our 4.4.1 servers with a range of motherboards and NICs. These are all very simple "K12LTSP only" environments, no Samba shares, LDAP or anything like that. They all worked perfectly until upgraded. Unfortunately I sent a techie to upgrade a bunch of our sites, so that's what he did! Now they all have a problem. They're all systems with 20 workstations. Everything except OOo runs well. In our case slow opening means about one to one and a half minutes, not eight - but still too much for any user to bear. Will try the Sun Java option suggested by Dan as soon as I'm back in the office on Monday and give feedback to the list. cheers ed From odin at visdom.org Sat Oct 1 07:25:33 2005 From: odin at visdom.org (Odin Nosen) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 09:25:33 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org> <80d7e40905092913362eff552f@mail.gmail.com> <200509291143.39602.scott@hosef.org> <433DD6DB.80402@hosef.org> <433E0E74.7020105@unplugd.com> Message-ID: <20051001072143.M11458@visdom.org> On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 09:14:52 +0200, Edward Holcroft wrote > While I don't have a solution, I just want to confirm the same > problem on ten of our 4.4.1 servers with a range of motherboards and > NICs. These are all very simple "K12LTSP only" environments, no Samba > shares, LDAP or anything like that. They all worked perfectly until > upgraded. Unfortunately I sent a techie to upgrade a bunch of our > sites, so that's what he did! Now they all have a problem. They're > all systems with 20 workstations. Everything except OOo runs well. We can also confirm the problem with the same setup as above. We've located the problem to be linked with the CPU - it tops completely and we use 1-2 minutes to start Oo. The CPU tops and goes down again when all users have started Oo. Sun Java is installed. "!" from Odin From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Oct 1 10:33:01 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 10:33:01 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] 'Live' LTSP & ClusterKnoppix+LTSP Message-ID: <200510011243.j91Chh009372@downeast.net> there is no live xd...but with a laptop set up for single nic on alternate dhcp port and a set of client floppies you coan walk into a site..plug in the laptop..and slide th right floppy into the right resident machine..nad have ltsp running in perhaps five minutes..most of that time being ro boot a knoopix live cd long enought to determine pc id of the nic and the video card.. it is what i do here in Maine...Chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 10:58:54 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 03:58:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID1 failure: need help In-Reply-To: References: <1128130686.26964.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <433E6BEE.4040205@gmail.com> Robert Arkiletian wrote: >Thanks for the quick replies guys. I have a few more comments and questions. > >After looking at the logs it seems this happened when a full class was >logging on. It's not a power failure situation. Last year (when I was >running 3.1.2 without raid) I had this same drive flake out on me with >i/o errors. So I ran multiple checks on it with seagate diagnostic >utils and also the built-in scsi controller bios tests. Everything >came up negative. So I figured the drive was okay. I figured it must >have been the fault of the scsi controller driver. My controller is >the Adaptec aic7902w. Wondering if you guys have the same controller? > >Anyway, now I don't trust this drive any more even if the diagnostics >say it's okay again. I'm going to buy another hd. Question: Do I need >to get the exact same model? I know they have to be the same size but >I can't get the older model with 2 heads/ 1 platter. The new ones >comes with 1head for the same 36gb size. So it's higher density. > > You might want to look into getting SpinRite. It supports SCSI drives (http://grc.com/srQ&A.htm) and there is /nothing/ made by man that is better at diagnosing (and fixing) hard drive hardware problems. -- Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting From aust_txv at access-k12.org Sat Oct 1 13:46:54 2005 From: aust_txv at access-k12.org (aust_txv at access-k12.org) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 09:46:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Surveys - OT In-Reply-To: <433D6131.8010708@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <2878582713.1128160014@[192.168.0.16]> > What would be the recommendations from this list for a good, > full-featured online survey tool? Naturally Open Source is preferred. > Thanks in advance. Hi, I have used phpESP off and on. Easy to install and admin. Many survey question types. MySQL backed. Pretty small and fast. http://www.butterfat.net/wiki/Projects/phpESP/ I believe it integrates into moodle now... I have not tested that and I could be wrong about the moodle part... Good Luck, Tom Ventresco -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: 9/30/2005 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Oct 1 15:44:02 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 08:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org> <80d7e40905092913362eff552f@mail.gmail.com> <200509291143.39602.scott@hosef.org> <433DD6DB.80402@hosef.org> <433E0E74.7020105@unplugd.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Oct 2005, Edward Holcroft wrote: > While I don't have a solution, I just want to confirm the same problem on ten > of our 4.4.1 servers with a range of motherboards and NICs. These are all very > simple "K12LTSP only" environments, no Samba shares, LDAP or anything like > that. They all worked perfectly until upgraded. Unfortunately I sent a techie > to upgrade a bunch of our sites, so that's what he did! Now they all have a > problem. They're all systems with 20 workstations. Everything except OOo runs > well. > > In our case slow opening means about one to one and a half minutes, not eight > - but still too much for any user to bear. > > Will try the Sun Java option suggested by Dan as soon as I'm back in the > office on Monday and give feedback to the list. > > cheers > ed In the case of an upgrade, SELinux might also be a problem. Here are the two things I would try: 1) make sure that your file system is labeled with the correct security contexts: (note, this takes a while and is a CPU hog!) restorecon -Rv / 2) if the previous step does not do the trick, you can try putting SELinux in "permissive" mode: echo 0 > /selinux/enforce -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Oct 1 16:03:12 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 09:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <2e42bd9b05093012101bdb2297@mail.gmail.com> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <2e42bd9b05093012101bdb2297@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Dan Young wrote: > On 9/28/05, R. Scott Belford wrote: >> We have discovered something at a few of our Hawaii labs that is making >> me question the use of 4.4.1. We now have two separate schools that >> need about 8 Minutes for 30 clients to open Open Office. > > I noticed that OO2 Draw was a real dog to start until I installed the > Sun JRE. Didn't check out why, just moved on. Something to try... I searched through all of the RH Bugzilla entries, even the closed "not a bug" reports, and saw one that was related to Java VM's and OOo: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=164567 This was running on FC4 x86_64 using the 64bit Java VM, as such very unlikely to be the problem people are reporting... but the symptoms sound the same. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Oct 1 16:08:54 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 09:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <2e42bd9b05093012101bdb2297@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Oct 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Dan Young wrote: > >> On 9/28/05, R. Scott Belford wrote: >>> We have discovered something at a few of our Hawaii labs that is making >>> me question the use of 4.4.1. We now have two separate schools that >>> need about 8 Minutes for 30 clients to open Open Office. >> >> I noticed that OO2 Draw was a real dog to start until I installed the >> Sun JRE. Didn't check out why, just moved on. Something to try... > > I searched through all of the RH Bugzilla entries, even the closed > "not a bug" reports, and saw one that was related to Java VM's > and OOo: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=164567 > > This was running on FC4 x86_64 using the 64bit Java VM, as such > very unlikely to be the problem people are reporting... but the > symptoms sound the same. > > -Eric > Here is an even better one: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=166295 Someone experiencing this problem should re-open this bug. Since I can't reproduce it, it doesn't make much sense for me to do it. Caolan McNamara @ RedHat recommended running this program and seeing if it does anything unusual: /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/javaldx On my K12LTSP 4.4.1 desktop at home, this is the ouput (I have the Sun 1.5.0_03 jre installed) $ /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/javaldx /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.03/jre/lib/i386/client:/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.03/jre/lib/i386/native_threads:/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.03/jre/lib/i386 I also see that Sun has a new jre available (jre-1.5.0_05), I'll package that up and see if that makes a difference. -Eric From les at futuresource.com Sat Oct 1 17:50:17 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 12:50:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID1 failure: need help In-Reply-To: References: <1128130686.26964.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1128189016.29375.40.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-10-01 at 01:00, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > After looking at the logs it seems this happened when a full class was > logging on. It's not a power failure situation. Last year (when I was > running 3.1.2 without raid) I had this same drive flake out on me with > i/o errors. So I ran multiple checks on it with seagate diagnostic > utils and also the built-in scsi controller bios tests. Everything > came up negative. So I figured the drive was okay. I figured it must > have been the fault of the scsi controller driver. My controller is > the Adaptec aic7902w. Wondering if you guys have the same controller? I have had a few machines where the controller or hot-swap backplane was flaky and caused errors once in a while. Drives in a raid would be kicked out, ones not in a raid would hang an while doing retries and then recover with some errors in the log. New drives in those machines would do the same thing, but when the errors are months apart it is hard to tell which is the problem. But, a bad drive is much more likely. I'm a little superstitious about always doing a low level on scsi drives when moving from one controller model to another. It may not matter any more but older controllers had small timing differences that made errors more likely - and it still can't hurt anything (and it eliminates the problems of labels and raid ID's being confused when you move drives around). You might also double-check the cables and termination. Newer drives don't have on-board termination and need it on the end of the cable. If you mix LVD and non-LVD components everything shifts down to SE so you need a combo LVD/SE terminator and the shorter cable length restriction applies. > Anyway, now I don't trust this drive any more even if the diagnostics > say it's okay again. I'm going to buy another hd. Question: Do I need > to get the exact same model? I know they have to be the same size but > I can't get the older model with 2 heads/ 1 platter. The new ones > comes with 1head for the same 36gb size. So it's higher density. The only thing that really matters is that you have the same size partitions to mirror. They can be larger but you'll waste the extra space. If the head/cylinder/sector geometry is different you'll have more work to compute the appropriate partitions sizes. > BTW have you guys seen this > > sfdisk -d /dev/sda > partition.sda > sfdisk -d /dev/sdb > partition.sdb > then to restore > sfdisk /dev/sdb < partition.sdb > or > sfdisk /dev/sda < partition.sda > > Is it better to do it manually with fdisk? The results should be the same. I'm not sure if it gets the sector count right automatically when the geometry is different or not. If it does, it will save you some work. If the sectors/cylinder is the same it is pretty easy to do the fdisk by hand since you just put in the end cylinder number for each partition (the start default will be right). > > And if the drive is still under warranty, go the the mfg's web > > site, put in the serial number, and get an RMA. > > It is. But I'm afraid it may show up as good. I'll try doing > diagnostics on it again. Usually they don't second guess it if you say it is broken - and you have your 'error on sector #####' logs to prove it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ramonklown at pop.com.br Sat Oct 1 23:40:37 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 20:40:37 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Restart all clients In-Reply-To: <2e42bd9b05092917111c5f1e1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1249B1B01D2A444490F78C240418EA54739BCC@dcedcf05.dccentral> <2e42bd9b05092917111c5f1e1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <34014.200.141.84.213.1128210037.squirrel@popmail4.pop.com.br> ok thanks :). I've also figured out that using "ltspinfo" I can reboot and shutdown all machines. Solution complete with a wake on lan. Thanks guys, Ramon > On 9/28/05, Jeffrey Myers wrote: >> Is there a command to restart all LTSP clients.? Thanks > > /usr/sbin/gdm-restart should restart all sessions, though it won't > actually reboot the terminal. > > -- > Dan Young > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 02:47:36 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:47:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] keduca freezes up gnome Message-ID: <9bd317560510011947u6fbc4cebgaba6e2384691062@mail.gmail.com> Is any one having this problem? When I go to save a test in keduca it freezes up gnome until force quit popup happens a minute after I try to exit. I'd really like to show this program to our teachers. Any idea about fixing this? Running from the command line gives this output after it quits: Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 5758, errno = 0 Thanks From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sun Oct 2 04:48:21 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:48:21 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] can't get vncserver to start In-Reply-To: <433A46FA.2060206@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <433991E2.5080709@honeygroveisd.net> <433A46FA.2060206@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20051002144821.tpyhrzwaifwkkgw8@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Hi All, I have two boxes running K12LTSP #1 - Redhat Linux Fedora 2 - Squid Proxy box #2 - Redhat Linux Fedora 1 - FileServer/Intranet etc I can get the VNC server running on #2 via webmin at https://10.0.0.1:10000/init/edit_action.cgi?0+vncserver it says VNC started now? YES plus I can connect to it using a VNC viewer within the school network BUT I can't get the VNC started on #1 webmin @ http://10.0.0.139:10000/init/edit_action.cgi?0+vncserver says VNC started now? NO and I don't know why. When I click on 'start now' it says Executing /etc/rc.d/init.d/vncserver start .. Starting VNC server: [ OK ] But despite that, it doesn't start. And xinetd is running too. Does anyone have any ideas as to where I could be going wrong? Thanks, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sun Oct 2 04:57:25 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 00:57:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] can't get vncserver to start In-Reply-To: <20051002144821.tpyhrzwaifwkkgw8@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <433991E2.5080709@honeygroveisd.net> <433A46FA.2060206@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20051002144821.tpyhrzwaifwkkgw8@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <433F68B5.8010705@stmarys-school.org> Debbie Schiel wrote: > Hi All, > > I have two boxes running K12LTSP > #1 - Redhat Linux Fedora 2 - Squid Proxy box > #2 - Redhat Linux Fedora 1 - FileServer/Intranet etc > > I can get the VNC server running on #2 > via webmin at https://10.0.0.1:10000/init/edit_action.cgi?0+vncserver it > says > VNC started now? YES plus I can connect to it using a VNC viewer within the > school network > > BUT I can't get the VNC started on #1 > webmin @ http://10.0.0.139:10000/init/edit_action.cgi?0+vncserver says VNC > started now? NO and I don't know why. > When I click on 'start now' it says > Executing /etc/rc.d/init.d/vncserver start .. > Starting VNC server: [ OK ] > > But despite that, it doesn't start. > And xinetd is running too. > > Does anyone have any ideas as to where I could be going wrong? > > Thanks, > > Debbie What is the output of /etc/init.d/vncserver status? If it's running it could be your security settings. If it's not running try /etc/init.d/vncserver start Maybe check /var/log/messages for clues. HTH, John From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sun Oct 2 06:22:53 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 16:22:53 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] can't get vncserver to start In-Reply-To: <433F68B5.8010705@stmarys-school.org> References: <433991E2.5080709@honeygroveisd.net> <433A46FA.2060206@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20051002144821.tpyhrzwaifwkkgw8@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> <433F68B5.8010705@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <20051002162253.mgxfmt15zmw0ockg@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Quoting John Baillie : > Debbie Schiel wrote: >> BUT I can't get the VNC started on #1 >> webmin @ http://10.0.0.139:10000/init/edit_action.cgi?0+vncserver says VNC >> started now? NO and I don't know why. >> When I click on 'start now' it says >> Executing /etc/rc.d/init.d/vncserver start .. >> Starting VNC server: [ OK ] >> >> But despite that, it doesn't start. >> And xinetd is running too. >> > What is the output of /etc/init.d/vncserver status? > If it's running it could be your security settings. > > If it's not running try /etc/init.d/vncserver start /etc/init.d/vncserver status Xvnc is stopped /etc/init.d/vncserver start Starting VNC server: [ OK ] /etc/init.d/vncserver status Xvnc is stopped So I googled for info on iptables and VNC and added these two lines to /etc/sysconfig/iptables : -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp -m state --dport 5901 --state NEW -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp -m state --dport 5801 --state NEW -j ACCEPT Then restarted iptables but still no luck. > > Maybe check /var/log/messages for clues. > Oct 2 15:49:13 localhost iptables: succeeded Oct 2 15:49:40 localhost vncserver: vncserver startup succeeded Oct 2 16:03:28 localhost vncserver: vncserver startup succeeded Thanks for your help though - I'm learning as I go. Any more ideas perhaps? Best regards, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Oct 2 12:20:05 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 12:20:05 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] can't get vncserver to start Message-ID: <200510021430.j92EUb624236@downeast.net> fwiw: i always remove the default vnc and use tightvnc..mostly because it supports the -via cmd option...chuck > > Quoting John Baillie : > > > Debbie Schiel wrote: > > >> BUT I can't get the VNC started on #1 > >> webmin @ http://10.0.0.139:10000/init/edit_action.cgi?0+vncserver says VNC > >> started now? NO and I don't know why. > >> When I click on 'start now' it says > >> Executing /etc/rc.d/init.d/vncserver start .. > >> Starting VNC server: [ OK ] > >> > >> But despite that, it doesn't start. > >> And xinetd is running too. > >> > > > What is the output of /etc/init.d/vncserver status? > > Ifpports the -via cmd option it's running it could be your security settings. > > > > If it's not running try /etc/init.d/vncserver start > > /etc/init.d/vncserver status > Xvnc is stopped > /etc/init.d/vncserver start > Starting VNC server: [ OK ] > /etc/init.d/vncserver status > Xvnc is stopped > > So I googled for info on iptables and VNC and added these two lines to > /etc/sysconfig/iptables : > > -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp -m state --dport 5901 --state NEW > -j ACCEPT > -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp -m state --dport 5801 --state NEW > -j ACCEPT > > Then restarted iptables but still no luck. > > > > > Maybe check /var/log/messages for clues. > > > > Oct 2 15:49:13 localhost iptables: succeeded > Oct 2 15:49:40 localhost vncserver: vncserver startup succeeded > Oct 2 16:03:28 localhost vncserver: vncserver startup succeeded > > Thanks for your help though - I'm learning as I go. Any more ideas perhaps? > > Best regards, > > Debbie > -- > http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 14:46:46 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 10:46:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh processes growing on clients Message-ID: <9bd317560510020746s3bbc6123o1d73a3a12dfe4fd2@mail.gmail.com> Can someone shed some light on this? I think this might be nx related but every time I re-log in on a thin client (with x), the number of ssh processes on the thin client grows by one. I have a similar problem when using a window$ nx client. The problem is that I can't log in twice without ssh-ing in and restarting sshd. From what i understand, that the ssh process associated with the user I'm trying to log in as doesn't die after I log off. Any help would be greatly appreciated. e Thank you in advance, Peter From les at futuresource.com Sun Oct 2 15:23:53 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 10:23:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] can't get vncserver to start In-Reply-To: <20051002144821.tpyhrzwaifwkkgw8@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <433991E2.5080709@honeygroveisd.net> <433A46FA.2060206@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20051002144821.tpyhrzwaifwkkgw8@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <1128266632.12127.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-10-01 at 23:48, Debbie Schiel wrote: > I have two boxes running K12LTSP > #1 - Redhat Linux Fedora 2 - Squid Proxy box > #2 - Redhat Linux Fedora 1 - FileServer/Intranet etc > > I can get the VNC server running on #2 > via webmin at https://10.0.0.1:10000/init/edit_action.cgi?0+vncserver it says > VNC started now? YES plus I can connect to it using a VNC viewer within the > school network > > BUT I can't get the VNC started on #1 > webmin @ http://10.0.0.139:10000/init/edit_action.cgi?0+vncserver says VNC > started now? NO and I don't know why. > When I click on 'start now' it says > Executing /etc/rc.d/init.d/vncserver start .. > Starting VNC server: [ OK ] > > But despite that, it doesn't start. > And xinetd is running too. > > Does anyone have any ideas as to where I could be going wrong? If you install the k12ltsp distribution instead of a stock fedora, xinetd should be starting vnc instead of the vncserver init script. Xinetd gives you a new session for every connection, where vncserver starts long-running sessions per port so you can re-connect. Check /etc/xinetd.d/vnc to be sure the service exists and is not disabled. If you change anything, you have to restart xinetd. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 19:38:33 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 12:38:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh processes growing on clients In-Reply-To: <9bd317560510020746s3bbc6123o1d73a3a12dfe4fd2@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560510020746s3bbc6123o1d73a3a12dfe4fd2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/2/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Can someone shed some light on this? I think this might be nx related > but every time I re-log in on a thin client (with x), the number of > ssh processes on the thin client grows by one. I have a similar > problem when using a window$ nx client. The problem is that I can't is it the ssh-agent process? If it is, there was a thread last month about it. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 19:43:46 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 12:43:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] can't get vncserver to start In-Reply-To: <20051002144821.tpyhrzwaifwkkgw8@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <433991E2.5080709@honeygroveisd.net> <433A46FA.2060206@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20051002144821.tpyhrzwaifwkkgw8@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: On 10/1/05, Debbie Schiel wrote: > > Does anyone have any ideas as to where I could be going wrong? > Sometimes a service does not start until requested. Try running vncviewer from the server itself. If you can connect then it's probably a firewall issue. The default firewall settings block everything on eth1 or just let ssh through. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Sun Oct 2 20:17:57 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 14:17:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit k12ltsp install and various other odds and ends In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605092013115413a0c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Peter, Eric and everyone else, Thanks for the info on getting our new 64 bit server up and running. When I was grabbing the rpms from ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.1/i386/Fedora/RPMS/ (I've used the Fedora Core 4 64 bit DVD iso) I noticed that there were two k12ltsp packages that weren't listed in Eric's instructions that you reposted for me- k12ltsp-release and k12ltsp-scripts. Do I need these, too?? Maybe one of these includes the kill user processes at logoff and logon? I really depend on that script- it is a life-saver. I will remove the 64 bit Firefox and install the 32 bit version so that the acroread and various assorted plugins will work -- right?? :-) Also, does anyone run Win4Lin Server? I read that the Win4Lin Server must have local homes, not NFS'ed. Is this correct? Does anyone hear use litepc.com's pruner for Windows? I've purchased it and after removing everything possible, the image does not shrink... In QEMU there is an option (-qcow if I remember) to compress the image and I sure need to do this before I distribute it! Please hit me with all ideas- Thanks, Jim From les at futuresource.com Sun Oct 2 20:24:41 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 15:24:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh processes growing on clients In-Reply-To: <9bd317560510020746s3bbc6123o1d73a3a12dfe4fd2@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560510020746s3bbc6123o1d73a3a12dfe4fd2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1128284681.12727.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-10-02 at 09:46, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Can someone shed some light on this? I think this might be nx related > but every time I re-log in on a thin client (with x), the number of > ssh processes on the thin client grows by one. I have a similar > problem when using a window$ nx client. The problem is that I can't > log in twice without ssh-ing in and restarting sshd. From what i > understand, that the ssh process associated with the user I'm trying > to log in as doesn't die after I log off. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. When you use nx, you have the choice of suspending or terminating your session when you disconnect. Do you always terminate? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From moquist at majen.net Sun Oct 2 20:40:21 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 16:40:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RFC: smbldap-installer and LDIF backups In-Reply-To: <20051002160019.96914739DA@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051002160019.96914739DA@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20051002204021.GA5271@majen.net> I'm planning to modify the smbldap installer system so that 'slapcat -l ' is run regularly, and I'd like to know how other people think this should work by default (i.e., when the various 'make' commands are used). 1. I think the default should be to configure these regular backups. 2. Is once/week often enough for the backups? 3. I'd like to keep a rotation of the LDIF files around rather than just one. How many? This is really related to the answer to 2. I'm planning to use logrotate, unless somebody has a reason why that would be inappropriate. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From robark at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 04:06:52 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 21:06:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Success! Run Fl_TeacherTool without root password Message-ID: Step 1 Create a group for teachers using "system-config-users". For example 'teachers'. Then add that group to all the users who you wish to run Fl_TeacherTool. Step 2 become root with $su - Then run "visudo". It's a special editor for the sudoers file. Add the following line to the end of the file using vi editing techniques %teachers ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/local/sbin/Fl_TeacherTool make sure that it's not the last line (in other words: don't forget to hit enter) If you don't know vi then just goto the last line and hit the letter "i" for (insert) then type the above line, hit enter, then hit the escape key. Now type :w (hit enter) this saves the modifications. Now type :q (hit enter) this quits visudo. Step 3 If your fellow teachers are not comfortable typing too much then add an alias in .bashrc in the home directory of the people who will run the program like this # User specific aliases and functions alias teach='sudo /usr/local/sbin/Fl_TeacherTool' or alternatively put a launcher icon with the command sudo /usr/local/sbin/Fl_TeacherTool on their desktop I have also updated my website with a copy of this how-to http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ Enjoy Fl_TeacherTool! -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 05:18:01 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:18:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? Message-ID: Hi all, I'm looking for people who would migrate from Windows to Linux -- but who can't because they need one or two key Windows programs that just aren't available for Linux. Know anyone like that? If so, I'd like to hear from them. I'm helping organize a little extra QA for Wine as it approaches its 0.9 release, and I'd like to focus on testing Wine running those /key Windows apps. Thanks! - Dan http://kegel.com/wine/qa From edward at netday.org.za Mon Oct 3 06:45:42 2005 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:45:42 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <2e42bd9b05093012101bdb2297@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 01 Oct 2005, at 6:08 PM, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 1 Oct 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > > >> On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Dan Young wrote: >>> >>>> >>> I noticed that OO2 Draw was a real dog to start until I installed >>> the >>> Sun JRE. Didn't check out why, just moved on. Something to try... > > > On my K12LTSP 4.4.1 desktop at home, this is the ouput (I have the > Sun 1.5.0_03 jre installed) > > $ /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/javaldx > /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.03/jre/lib/i386/client:/usr/ > lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.03/jre/lib/i386/native_threads:/usr/ > lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.03/jre/lib/i386 > > I also see that Sun has a new jre available (jre-1.5.0_05), I'll > package > that up and see if that makes a difference. > > -Eric Installed Sun Java 1.5.0_03 on our office system and OOo is flying, opening in 5 seconds now. Strange thing is I never activated it in OOo as the primary Java VM to be used - that's still set to FSF Java. So just installing Sun Java seems to have made a massive speed difference. Anyone know why that could be? Will verify on another server later today. cheers ed > From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Mon Oct 3 07:03:17 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:03:17 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] can't get vncserver to start In-Reply-To: <1128266632.12127.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <433991E2.5080709@honeygroveisd.net> <433A46FA.2060206@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20051002144821.tpyhrzwaifwkkgw8@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1128266632.12127.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20051003170317.pxbh53rxk0wg88oo@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Quoting Les Mikesell : [Hide Quoted Text] On Sat, 2005-10-01 at 23:48, Debbie Schiel wrote: I have two boxes running K12LTSP #1 - Redhat Linux Fedora 2 - Squid Proxy box #2 - Redhat Linux Fedora 1 - FileServer/Intranet etc I can't get the VNC started on #1 webmin @ http://10.0.0.139:10000/init/edit_action.cgi?0+vncserver says VNC started now? NO and I don't know why. When I click on 'start now' it says Executing /etc/rc.d/init.d/vncserver start .. Starting VNC server: [ OK ] If you install the k12ltsp distribution instead of a stock fedora, xinetd should be starting vnc instead of the vncserver init script. Xinetd gives you a new session for every connection, where vncserver starts long-running sessions per port so you can re-connect. Check /etc/xinetd.d/vnc to be sure the service exists and is not disabled. If you change anything, you have to restart xinetd. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com Thanks for the tip - guess what? I have no VNC in /etc/xinetd.d/ ... I'll search google for the file, copy it and see if it makes any difference. Thanks again, Debbie PS Sorry Les for hitting reply instead of reply-to-list -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Mon Oct 3 07:39:46 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:39:46 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] can't get vncserver to start In-Reply-To: References: <433991E2.5080709@honeygroveisd.net> <433A46FA.2060206@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20051002144821.tpyhrzwaifwkkgw8@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <20051003173946.irkjiemvlotcksgg@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Quoting Robert Arkiletian : > On 10/1/05, Debbie Schiel wrote: >> >> Does anyone have any ideas as to where I could be going wrong? >> > > Sometimes a service does not start until requested. Try running > vncviewer from the server itself. If you can connect then it's > probably a firewall issue. The default firewall settings block > everything on eth1 or just let ssh through. > Thanks Robert, The VNC server is now running on our proxy server box, and it can connect to itself via the vncviewer, so like you say it must be a firewall issue. I've had a look and a play with iptables and added: -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp -m state --dport 80 --state NEW -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp -m state --dport 5901 --state NEW -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp -m state --dport 5801 --state NEW -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp -m state -s 10.0.0.1 --dport 443 --state NEW -j ACCEPT but I still can't get through to connect to other vnc servers. Can you help? Best regards, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Mon Oct 3 07:45:14 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:45:14 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Firewall blocking VNC In-Reply-To: <20051003173946.irkjiemvlotcksgg@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <433991E2.5080709@honeygroveisd.net> <433A46FA.2060206@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20051002144821.tpyhrzwaifwkkgw8@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> <20051003173946.irkjiemvlotcksgg@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <20051003174514.0umv7yrxuh0go4w8@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Sorry everyone, Just after I hit send I realised I should have retitled this post - it was "can't get vncserver to start" - but that no longer applies since I got the VNC server going with lots of help from k12osn gurus. The VNC server is now running on our proxy server box, and it can connect to itself via the vncviewer, so like Robert said it must be a firewall issue. I've had a look and a play with iptables and added: -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp -m state --dport 80 --state NEW -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp -m state --dport 5901 --state NEW -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp -m state --dport 5801 --state NEW -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp -m state -s 10.0.0.1 --dport 443 --state NEW -j ACCEPT but I still can't get through to connect to other vnc servers. Can you help? Best regards, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au From edward at netday.org.za Mon Oct 3 08:58:41 2005 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:58:41 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <2e42bd9b05093012101bdb2297@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <36BDFA39-95F5-4F12-A6F6-314A9A0A034B@netday.org.za> On 03 Oct 2005, at 8:45 AM, Edward Holcroft wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I noticed that OO2 Draw was a real dog to start until I >>>> installed the >>>> Sun JRE. Didn't check out why, just moved on. Something to try... >>>> >> >> >> On my K12LTSP 4.4.1 desktop at home, this is the ouput (I have the >> Sun 1.5.0_03 jre installed) >> >> $ /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/javaldx >> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.03/jre/lib/i386/client:/usr/ >> lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.03/jre/lib/i386/native_threads:/usr/ >> lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.03/jre/lib/i386 > > > Installed Sun Java 1.5.0_03 on our office system and OOo is flying, > opening in 5 seconds now. Strange thing is I never activated it in > OOo as the primary Java VM to be used - that's still set to FSF > Java. So just installing Sun Java seems to have made a massive > speed difference. Anyone know why that could be? > I was not able to replicate this scenario on another server, this time a single CPU machine. However - I now note that on the first server, I get the output referred to above when I run javaldx. On the server which still runs OOo slowly, I get no output at all when I run javaldx. Could this be the problem? ed From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Oct 3 09:54:05 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 10:54:05 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] RFC: smbldap-installer and LDIF backups In-Reply-To: <20051002204021.GA5271@majen.net> References: <20051002160019.96914739DA@hormel.redhat.com> <20051002204021.GA5271@majen.net> Message-ID: <4340FFBD.1030908@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> We run slapcat once a week and just add the date to the filename. Something else that might be useful is ability to setup dbcache etc in the slapd.conf file. I added this to our system and it did help a bit. Perhaps even adding the option to setup the system as a slave ldap server like I've done :-) Brian Matt Oquist wrote: > I'm planning to modify the smbldap installer system so that 'slapcat > -l ' is run regularly, and I'd like to know how other people > think this should work by default (i.e., when the various 'make' > commands are used). > > 1. I think the default should be to configure these regular backups. > 2. Is once/week often enough for the backups? > 3. I'd like to keep a rotation of the LDIF files around rather than > just one. How many? This is really related to the answer to 2. > I'm planning to use logrotate, unless somebody has a reason why > that would be inappropriate. > > --matt > > -- > Open Source Software Engineering Consultant > http://majen.net/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From trond at mahlum.biz Mon Oct 3 09:55:19 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:55:19 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1128333319.8195.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> On fre, 2005-09-16 at 16:47 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 9/15/05, David Trask wrote: > > > Now for a challenge....I run two K12LTSP servers in dhcp failover/load > > balancing mode...with a third Samba/LDAP machine for authentication and > > home dirs. Works fantastic except for the fact that now I have to use > > TeacherTool in two places....any ideas on how we might be able to set it > > up so that one TeacherTool can monitor both servers? Even possible? > > I don't have your dual redundant server system but from what I can > imagine both servers have to have different ip's on eth0 so one must > be 192.168.0.254 and the other (?) They both hand out ip's > (alternating) so if one goes down the other picks up the slack. > However, the problem I'm having implementing this is that I can't seem > to figure out how to netstat the other server without actually going > there with ssh. This long line in my code > > netstat -t -e|grep x11|sed -e 's/:/ /g'|awk '{print $9,$6}'|grep -v > root|grep -v $LOGNAME|grep -v gdm|sort|uniq Thanks for the sud tip btw. This is truly a killer app in system-administration of an LTSP system. If I generate ssh-keys for my machines I can netstat them like this from my commandline: ssh netstat -t -e .......... and it returns all users from then I can do ssh netstat -t -e .......... and so on. Is this usable for you in any way? How should the line in the code look like now? With five servers to list? Regards Trond Maehlum From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Oct 3 12:10:32 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 08:10:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1128341432.30099.17.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> In no particular order, here are the major apps that I know about that our schools use. Any one of these is, sadly, considered to be a show- stopper. - Reader Rabbit - KidPix - Research In Motion's "Blackberry" software - The VA State Standards Of Learning (SOL) exam (requires both Internet Exploder and QuickTime--ON WINDOWS, not even Mac) - Adobe Acrobat 7 - Adobe Photoshop - SASIxp --TP On Sun, 2005-10-02 at 22:18 -0700, Dan Kegel wrote: > Hi all, > I'm looking for people who would migrate from Windows to Linux -- > but who can't because they need one or two key Windows > programs that just aren't available for Linux. > Know anyone like that? If so, I'd like to hear from > them. I'm helping organize a little extra QA for Wine > as it approaches its 0.9 release, and I'd like to > focus on testing Wine running those /key Windows apps. > Thanks! > - Dan > http://kegel.com/wine/qa > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Mon Oct 3 11:18:42 2005 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (Larry McPherson) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:18:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at yourschool? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200510031218.j93CImhT031370@mx3.redhat.com> Dan, I moved four PCs back to Windows so that I can run Accelerated Reader, and do testing on client desktops in four class rooms. I know this product has a web version for Windows, but since we already have licensing for it to run on Windows and Windows 98 - it is cheaper to install Windows on a minimum number of PCs. I'm also moving a SPED PC back to Windows so the teacher can run Lexia Comprehensive Reading Tests K-12, Quick Reading Tests K-12, Teaching Reading, Early Reading ages 4-6, Reading S.O.S. ages 9-adult. I'm interested in any notes (how-tos) you may have on Wine as well. Larry -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dan Kegel Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 1:18 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at yourschool? Hi all, I'm looking for people who would migrate from Windows to Linux -- but who can't because they need one or two key Windows programs that just aren't available for Linux. Know anyone like that? If so, I'd like to hear from them. I'm helping organize a little extra QA for Wine as it approaches its 0.9 release, and I'd like to focus on testing Wine running those /key Windows apps. Thanks! - Dan http://kegel.com/wine/qa _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ccraig at safedesksolutions.com Mon Oct 3 13:26:30 2005 From: ccraig at safedesksolutions.com (Curt Craig) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 06:26:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200510030626.30807.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> On Sunday 02 October 2005 22:18, Dan Kegel wrote: > Hi all, > I'm looking for people who would migrate from Windows to Linux -- > but who can't because they need one or two key Windows > programs that just aren't available for Linux. > Know anyone like that? If so, I'd like to hear from > them. I'm helping organize a little extra QA for Wine > as it approaches its 0.9 release, and I'd like to > focus on testing Wine running those /key Windows apps. > Thanks! > - Dan > http://kegel.com/wine/qa > > _______________________________________________ We've been running into these "show-stoppers" for years, and until relatively recently, we've approached the solutions via Wine or CodeWeavers. In our latest version, we released Win4Lin bundled with SafeDesk, and it seems to be the "silver bullet", though significant configuration and testing was required to get it's performance fine-tuned. ;) Here's the (former) showstoppers we often run into in K-12: Renaissance - - Accelerated Reader/Math - Star Testing Riverdeep - - Mavis Beacon Typing - Reader Rabbit - Reading Builder - Destination Reading - Learn to Read with Phonics - Mighty Math - Destination Math Scholastic - - Type to Learn - Reading Counts Adobe - - Pagemaker Inspiration - Autoskill - - Academy of Reading/Math Broderbund - - Kidpix -- Curt Craig SafeDesk Solutions 866-465-8636 509-536-0565 (fax) www.safedesk.com From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Mon Oct 3 15:18:52 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:18:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? Message-ID: <24eb8cc24ea50a.24ea50a24eb8cc@texas.rr.com> The only thing I see missing from your list that I use is JASC Paintshop PRO 7 with animation shop 3. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Curt Craig Date: Monday, October 3, 2005 7:26 am Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? > On Sunday 02 October 2005 22:18, Dan Kegel wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm looking for people who would migrate from Windows to Linux -- > > but who can't because they need one or two key Windows > > programs that just aren't available for Linux. > > Know anyone like that? If so, I'd like to hear from > > them. I'm helping organize a little extra QA for Wine > > as it approaches its 0.9 release, and I'd like to > > focus on testing Wine running those /key Windows apps. > > Thanks! > > - Dan > > http://kegel.com/wine/qa > > > > _______________________________________________ > > We've been running into these "show-stoppers" for years, and until > relatively > recently, we've approached the solutions via Wine or CodeWeavers. > In our > latest version, we released Win4Lin bundled with SafeDesk, and it > seems to be > the "silver bullet", though significant configuration and testing > was > required to get it's performance fine-tuned. ;) > > Here's the (former) showstoppers we often run into in K-12: > > Renaissance - > - Accelerated Reader/Math > - Star Testing > Riverdeep - > - Mavis Beacon Typing > - Reader Rabbit > - Reading Builder > - Destination Reading > - Learn to Read with Phonics > - Mighty Math > - Destination Math > Scholastic - > - Type to Learn > - Reading Counts > Adobe - > - Pagemaker > Inspiration - > Autoskill - > - Academy of Reading/Math > Broderbund - > - Kidpix > -- > Curt Craig > SafeDesk Solutions > 866-465-8636 > 509-536-0565 (fax) > www.safedesk.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From stegil at hotmail.com Mon Oct 3 15:52:02 2005 From: stegil at hotmail.com (steve gilmore) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:52:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 'Live' LTSP & ClusterKnoppix+LTSP References: <1128130686.26964.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <433DEE56.1010101@rogers.com> <1128132631.26964.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com><433DF2A9.1040209@rogers.com> <433E11FC.70305@gmail.com> Message-ID: These Live cd's that you're looking for, can boot terminal clients , and run multiple clients either by pxe boot, or the universal boot floppy/cd. For a test server, as much ram memory as you can muster. For the clients at least 128mb. Some of them in fact like Quantian, Cluster Knoppix also have an Openmosix enabled kernel for shared cluster computing . Not every program ideally migrates to shared computing. Like openoffice. Whereas, Blender would. Very easy to set up , just enble the terminal client daemon from the clusterknoppoix menu. http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/quantian.html http://bofh.be/clusterknoppix/ Parrallel Knoppix also enbles mpi cluster type computing for some programmers to really try out via a live cd so called supercomputing. http://pareto.uab.es/mcreel/ParallelKnoppix/ Hope this info helps. SteveG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Olson" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 12:35 AM Subject: [K12OSN] 'Live' LTSP & ClusterKnoppix+LTSP >I am trying to find a set of live LTSP iso's so I can easily demo it for my >local schoolboard without setting up a lot of hard/software. I checked on >Google, but don't have time to check through all 35,000+ pages. While >I was looking, I can across ClusterKnoppix (http://bofh.be/clusterknoppix/) >which /seems/ like a possible solution. Does anyone have any experience >with this or know where I can find a live LTSP cd? > > Thanks > Keith Olson > K-Soft Consulting > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jobrien at meridian.wednet.edu Mon Oct 3 16:04:40 2005 From: jobrien at meridian.wednet.edu (Joe O'Brien) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:04:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Eduportal replacement In-Reply-To: <24eb8cc24ea50a.24ea50a24eb8cc@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20051003090440.01199610@mail.meridian.wednet.edu> I am looking for an opensource CMS to replace Eduportal for our Admin Documents, Policies, etc. I've looked at Mambo, which has additional features that would be handy, but it would not let me use more than 2 folder levels. Can anyone steer me towards something they have used successfully? --thanks --joe o'brien Meridian School District #505 From timothy.hart at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 16:13:35 2005 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 12:13:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Eduportal replacement In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20051003090440.01199610@mail.meridian.wednet.edu> References: <24eb8cc24ea50a.24ea50a24eb8cc@texas.rr.com> <3.0.5.32.20051003090440.01199610@mail.meridian.wednet.edu> Message-ID: <464c38cc0510030913v7ae68a6ap41239349d2546e9d@mail.gmail.com> What do you mean on folder levels? If you want document repositories on Mambo (now Joomla) get the DocMan component. It is a pretty robust organizer for files. On 10/3/05, Joe O'Brien wrote: > > I am looking for an opensource CMS to replace Eduportal for our Admin > Documents, Policies, etc. I've looked at Mambo, which has additional > features that would be handy, but it would not let me use more than 2 > folder levels. Can anyone steer me towards something they have used > successfully? > > --thanks > --joe o'brien > Meridian School District #505 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 16:31:01 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:31:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? In-Reply-To: <1128341432.30099.17.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <1128341432.30099.17.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On 10/3/05, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > In no particular order, here are the major apps that I know about that > our schools use. Any one of these is, sadly, considered to be a show- > stopper. > > - Reader Rabbit > - KidPix > - Research In Motion's "Blackberry" software > - The VA State Standards Of Learning (SOL) exam (requires both Internet > Exploder and QuickTime--ON WINDOWS, not even Mac) > - Adobe Acrobat 7 > - Adobe Photoshop > - SASIxp Thanks for the list! Which version, exactly, of Kid Pix are you talking about? I'm currently testing Kid Pix Deluxe 3 (see http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=3500) but that's the old retail version from five years ago, and there are several other versions out there, including school-specific ones. Can you give me a URL for the particular version you're talking about? - Dan From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 16:36:32 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:36:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at yourschool? In-Reply-To: <4341139b.12738399.4e51.4b41SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> References: <4341139b.12738399.4e51.4b41SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/3/05, Larry McPherson wrote: > I moved four PCs back to Windows so that I can run Accelerated > Reader, and do testing on client desktops in four class rooms. I know this > product has a web version for Windows, but since we already have licensing > for it to run on Windows and Windows 98 - it is cheaper to install Windows > on a minimum number of PCs. > > I'm also moving a SPED PC back to Windows so the teacher can run > Lexia Comprehensive Reading Tests K-12, Quick Reading Tests K-12, Teaching > Reading, Early Reading ages 4-6, Reading S.O.S. ages 9-adult. OK, thanks for the list! > I'm interested in any notes (how-tos) you may have on Wine as well. All I have personally right now is http://kegel.com/wine/qa/ It would be a great help to me if people could try the latest wine in cvs and then file bug reports at bugs.winehq.org for their gotta-have apps that don't run. The web page I mentioned above is intended to help people get started testing wine and filing or triaging bugs. Wine has really come a long ways lately; things that wouldn't install in the past are much more likely to install successfully now. The battle is moving towards getting the installed apps to run properly, and things are really looking up there, too. Thanks, Dan From robark at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 17:03:28 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:03:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] can't get vncserver to start In-Reply-To: <20051003173946.irkjiemvlotcksgg@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <433991E2.5080709@honeygroveisd.net> <433A46FA.2060206@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20051002144821.tpyhrzwaifwkkgw8@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> <20051003173946.irkjiemvlotcksgg@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: On 10/3/05, Debbie Schiel wrote: > but I still can't get through to connect to other vnc servers. > > Can you help? Try setting up the firewall with system-config-securitylevel Leave eth0 as trusted or your thin clients won't work. Try opening up 5900 and 5901. I'm not sure of all the ports vnc uses. You can try to disable the firewall on eth1 temporarily and see if it works. Another recommendation is to install the nx server rpms from the extras repo and use it with the client software from nomachine.com I was asking the list how to do this just recently. If you use encryption you don't have to worry about opening ports as long as ssh works. BTW NX is much faster than vnc and the client runs on any platform. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From nbs at sonic.net Mon Oct 3 17:09:09 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:09:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? In-Reply-To: <1128341432.30099.17.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <1128341432.30099.17.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20051003170909.GA15177@sonic.net> On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 08:10:32AM -0400, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > In no particular order, here are the major apps that I know about that > our schools use. Any one of these is, sadly, considered to be a show- > stopper. > > - KidPix > - Adobe Photoshop Any reason Tux Paint and Gimp aren't suitable replacements for you? -bill! From nbs at sonic.net Mon Oct 3 17:11:39 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:11:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? In-Reply-To: <200510030626.30807.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> References: <200510030626.30807.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> Message-ID: <20051003171139.GB15177@sonic.net> On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 06:26:30AM -0700, Curt Craig wrote: > Here's the (former) showstoppers we often run into in K-12: In each of these cases, did you simply get them running under Wine or Win4Lin? Or did you find a Linux-compatible replacement (be it Open Source or proprietary)? Or, did you find a web-based solution? > Renaissance - > - Accelerated Reader/Math > - Star Testing > Riverdeep - > - Mavis Beacon Typing > - Reader Rabbit > - Reading Builder > - Destination Reading > - Learn to Read with Phonics > - Mighty Math > - Destination Math > Scholastic - > - Type to Learn > - Reading Counts > Adobe - > - Pagemaker > Inspiration - > Autoskill - > - Academy of Reading/Math > Broderbund - > - Kidpix Thanks! (Wondering especially about Kidpix, and if you tried Tux Paint. And if so, was it a suitable solution? And if not, why?! ;^) ) -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From robark at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 17:25:00 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:25:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Success! Run Fl_TeacherTool without root password In-Reply-To: <9bd317560510030936s5f7be9c8gae4c8d02ec9c07c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560510030936s5f7be9c8gae4c8d02ec9c07c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/3/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I was wondering, is there a way to exclude the teacher from showing up > in the user list when using this method? > I also noticed this. If you notice on my website I stated to become root with 'su' not 'su -' when launching TT from a thin client. But this only works if you HAVE the root password. I don't know how to setup sudo to accomplish this. The reason this works is that when you become root with just 'su' then when you type 'echo $LOGNAME' you get your username, not root. But if you become root with 'su -' then your $LOGNAME shows up as root. In Fl_TeacherTool I don't grab usernames that match $LOGNAME. I don't know how to get sudo to mimick this behaviour of running with root priviliges yet show your own $LOGNAME. If anyone has a solution I'd love to hear it. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From ccraig at safedesksolutions.com Mon Oct 3 17:41:32 2005 From: ccraig at safedesksolutions.com (Curt Craig) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:41:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? In-Reply-To: <20051003171139.GB15177@sonic.net> References: <200510030626.30807.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> <20051003171139.GB15177@sonic.net> Message-ID: <200510031041.32773.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> On Monday 03 October 2005 10:11, Bill Kendrick wrote: > In each of these cases, did you simply get them running under Wine or > Win4Lin? Or did you find a Linux-compatible replacement (be it Open Source > or proprietary)? Or, did you find a web-based solution? We of course always try to present Open Source applications to our clients as alternatives to their proprietary staff/student needs...but you probably know the internal hurdles that this entails. Some of the apps we were able to install/run just fine using Wine/CodeWeavers; but if our clients present us with a potpourri of MS application needs, we just stick with SafeDesk 2.0, which has Win4Lin bundled. -- Curt Craig SafeDesk Solutions 866-465-8636 509-536-0565 (fax) www.safedesk.com From rstewart at iccpartners.com Mon Oct 3 18:03:41 2005 From: rstewart at iccpartners.com (Rondall Stewart) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 14:03:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How do I...? Message-ID: Check out http://thinstation.sf.net. It's a little tricky to get started but the Readme's included in the download will start you on the right track. In the build.conf file there is a section for loading modules (drivers). If I remember there is USB support. I have only started playing thinstation my self but it looks promising. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 12:57 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] How do I...? What do I need to do to make an HP scanjet6500 scanner work from a thin client? Thanks Pat _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From robark at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 17:57:49 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:57:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: <1128333319.8195.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1128333319.8195.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 10/3/05, Trond M?hlum wrote: > Thanks for the sud tip btw. This is truly a killer app in > system-administration of an LTSP system. If I generate ssh-keys for my > machines I can netstat them like this from my commandline: > > ssh netstat -t -e .......... > > and it returns all users from > > then I can do ssh netstat -t -e .......... and so on. > > Is this usable for you in any way? How should the line in the code look > like now? With five servers to list? Excellent. Yes. In fact I was talking to a unix sys admin friend of mine and he suggested the same solution with ssh keys. I have the idea to allow the user of Fl_TeacherTool to type the ip's of the other servers in the input box. But implementing it may be tougher. Unfortunately I am swamped with work at home and at school now. I can't say when I will get around to it. Hopefully, before xmas. For the time being you can try sshing to the other server and X11 forward an instance of Fl_TeacherTool to your local server and have 2 sessions of Fl_TeacherTool running. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From chan at sacredsf.org Mon Oct 3 18:18:00 2005 From: chan at sacredsf.org (Hoover Chan) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:18:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? In-Reply-To: <20051003170909.GA15177@sonic.net> References: <1128341432.30099.17.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051003170909.GA15177@sonic.net> Message-ID: <434175D8.4030906@sacredsf.org> I'm a bit late to this thread. Was there any mention of Hyperstudio? I'd love to find an Open Source substitute for it. -- -------------------------------------------------- Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org Technology Network Coordinator Schools of the Sacred Heart 2222 Broadway St. San Francisco, CA 94115 From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Mon Oct 3 18:18:11 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:18:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How do I...? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1128363491.11876.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Or try our own LTSP files: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#Scanners -Gadi On Mon, 2005-10-03 at 14:03 -0400, Rondall Stewart wrote: > Check out http://thinstation.sf.net. It's a little tricky to get > started but the Readme's included in the download will start you on the > right track. In the build.conf file there is a section for loading > modules (drivers). If I remember there is USB support. > > I have only started playing thinstation my self but it looks promising. > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of jconlon1 at elp.rr.com > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 12:57 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] How do I...? > > What do I need to do to make an HP scanjet6500 scanner work from a thin > client? > Thanks > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Mon Oct 3 19:03:37 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:03:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot troubles Message-ID: I'm trying to attch some old Dell boxes to repace a few mistreated computers in a computer lab. The Dells have a PXE boot option in the BIOS. I set it to boot only from pxe and it begins to do so... I have also inserted the mac address into my dhcp.confg file.. I do this to dole out ips and the Dell messages that it is using the proper ip. Then it replies: PXE-E3A: TFTP too many packages Then it errors out. Does anyone have suggestions? Thanks, Jim From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 19:11:55 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 12:11:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? In-Reply-To: <434175D8.4030906@sacredsf.org> References: <1128341432.30099.17.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051003170909.GA15177@sonic.net> <434175D8.4030906@sacredsf.org> Message-ID: On 10/3/05, Hoover Chan wrote: > I'm a bit late to this thread. Was there any mention of Hyperstudio? I'd > love to find an Open Source substitute for it. Looks like there's a free demo downloadable from http://www.hyperstudio.com/prodinfo_pricing.aspx which is convenient for Wine testing purposes. Anybody else here consider Hyperstudio a must-have? From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 19:20:12 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:20:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: References: <1128333319.8195.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9bd317560510031220w3f1fdec7y72201da6f1082926@mail.gmail.com> I don't know what happened. All of a sudden Fl_TeacherTool isn't really working, as root or otherwise. The only things it can do is logoff user and kill processes. The VNC session window starts from TT but not on the client. I'm not sure if this is related but I was having trouble starting x on all clients temporarily. The only things i did was adding sudo users (which I changed back) and the fix for multiple ssh-agent processes in /etc/X11/xinit/initrc-common which I've tried toggling. I get a reflector.log in /root: 3/10/05 14:54:36 + Starting VNC Reflector 1.2.4 03/10/05 14:54:36 - Switched to the background mode 03/10/05 14:54:36 * No client password file, assuming no authentication 03/10/05 14:54:36 * Host password not specified, assuming no auth 03/10/05 14:54:36 + Connecting to localhost, port 5901 03/10/05 14:54:36 + Connection established 03/10/05 14:54:36 + Accepted connection from 127.0.0.1 03/10/05 14:54:36 * Not requesting authentication from 127.0.0.1 03/10/05 14:54:36 - Remote RFB Protocol version is 3.8 03/10/05 14:54:36 * Protocol sub-version does not match (ignoring) 03/10/05 14:54:36 + No authentication required at host side 03/10/05 14:54:36 + Remote desktop geometry is 800x600 03/10/05 14:54:36 - Remote desktop name: x11 03/10/05 14:54:36 ! Error creating listening socket: Address already in use 03/10/05 14:54:36 * Closing connection to host 03/10/05 14:54:36 + Terminating 03/10/05 14:54:49 * Error reading from 127.0.0.1 03/10/05 14:54:49 + Closing client connection 127.0.0.1 I can't figure out what I did to break this and i've tried reinstalling TT. any ideas? Thanks, Peter On 10/3/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 10/3/05, Trond M?hlum wrote: > > Thanks for the sud tip btw. This is truly a killer app in > > system-administration of an LTSP system. If I generate ssh-keys for my > > machines I can netstat them like this from my commandline: > > > > ssh netstat -t -e .......... > > > > and it returns all users from > > > > then I can do ssh netstat -t -e .......... and so on. > > > > Is this usable for you in any way? How should the line in the code look > > like now? With five servers to list? > > Excellent. Yes. In fact I was talking to a unix sys admin friend of > mine and he suggested the same solution with ssh keys. I have the idea > to allow the user of Fl_TeacherTool to type the ip's of the other > servers in the input box. But implementing it may be tougher. > Unfortunately I am swamped with work at home and at school now. I > can't say when I will get around to it. Hopefully, before xmas. For > the time being you can try sshing to the other server and X11 forward > an instance of Fl_TeacherTool to your local server and have 2 sessions > of Fl_TeacherTool running. > > - > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From william at fragakis.com Mon Oct 3 19:47:05 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:47:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at yourschool? Message-ID: <11934cb214ab06abffcf07b0a3242ddf@fragakis.com> > I moved four PCs back to Windows so that I can run Accelerated > Reader, and do testing on client desktops in four class rooms. I know > this > product has a web version for Windows, but since we already have > licensing > for it to run on Windows and Windows 98 - it is cheaper to install > Windows > on a minimum number of PCs. > > I'm also moving a SPED PC back to Windows so the teacher can run > Lexia Comprehensive Reading Tests K-12, Quick Reading Tests K-12, > Teaching > Reading, Early Reading ages 4-6, Reading S.O.S. ages 9-adult. > > I'm interested in any notes (how-tos) you may have on Wine as well. Not only does the web version of AR work with Linux thin clients, the cost of porting is rather modest ($300, iirc). It was worth that and the hosting not to have to deal with teachers unable to map/connect to our AR server. You can port it and host it for the cost of Dell or two using Windows. Never again will I have to hear the words, "I can't find the server." TuxPaint is a worthy KidPix replacement. regards, William From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 20:06:27 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 16:06:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: <9bd317560510031220w3f1fdec7y72201da6f1082926@mail.gmail.com> References: <1128333319.8195.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9bd317560510031220w3f1fdec7y72201da6f1082926@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560510031306l30e63003lfe3a4f70bf71ec1c@mail.gmail.com> I want to check something out. Could someone running 4.2.1el post the contents of /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/GNOME? Thanks! Peter On 10/3/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I don't know what happened. All of a sudden Fl_TeacherTool isn't > really working, as root or otherwise. The only things it can do is > logoff user and kill processes. The VNC session window starts > from TT but not on the client. I'm not sure if this is related but I > was having trouble starting x on all clients temporarily. The only > things i did was adding sudo users (which I changed back) and the fix > for multiple ssh-agent processes in /etc/X11/xinit/initrc-common which > I've tried toggling. I get a reflector.log in /root: > > 3/10/05 14:54:36 + Starting VNC Reflector 1.2.4 > 03/10/05 14:54:36 - Switched to the background mode > 03/10/05 14:54:36 * No client password file, assuming no authentication > 03/10/05 14:54:36 * Host password not specified, assuming no auth > 03/10/05 14:54:36 + Connecting to localhost, port 5901 > 03/10/05 14:54:36 + Connection established > 03/10/05 14:54:36 + Accepted connection from 127.0.0.1 > 03/10/05 14:54:36 * Not requesting authentication from 127.0.0.1 > 03/10/05 14:54:36 - Remote RFB Protocol version is 3.8 > 03/10/05 14:54:36 * Protocol sub-version does not match (ignoring) > 03/10/05 14:54:36 + No authentication required at host side > 03/10/05 14:54:36 + Remote desktop geometry is 800x600 > 03/10/05 14:54:36 - Remote desktop name: x11 > 03/10/05 14:54:36 ! Error creating listening socket: Address already in use > 03/10/05 14:54:36 * Closing connection to host > 03/10/05 14:54:36 + Terminating > 03/10/05 14:54:49 * Error reading from 127.0.0.1 > 03/10/05 14:54:49 + Closing client connection 127.0.0.1 > > I can't figure out what I did to break this and i've tried reinstalling TT. > > any ideas? > > Thanks, > Peter > > > On 10/3/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > On 10/3/05, Trond M?hlum wrote: > > > Thanks for the sud tip btw. This is truly a killer app in > > > system-administration of an LTSP system. If I generate ssh-keys for my > > > machines I can netstat them like this from my commandline: > > > > > > ssh netstat -t -e .......... > > > > > > and it returns all users from > > > > > > then I can do ssh netstat -t -e .......... and so on. > > > > > > Is this usable for you in any way? How should the line in the code look > > > like now? With five servers to list? > > > > Excellent. Yes. In fact I was talking to a unix sys admin friend of > > mine and he suggested the same solution with ssh keys. I have the idea > > to allow the user of Fl_TeacherTool to type the ip's of the other > > servers in the input box. But implementing it may be tougher. > > Unfortunately I am swamped with work at home and at school now. I > > can't say when I will get around to it. Hopefully, before xmas. For > > the time being you can try sshing to the other server and X11 forward > > an instance of Fl_TeacherTool to your local server and have 2 sessions > > of Fl_TeacherTool running. > > > > - > > Robert Arkiletian > > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From les at futuresource.com Mon Oct 3 20:37:30 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:37:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot troubles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1128371849.1540.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-10-03 at 14:03, Jim Christiansen wrote: > I'm trying to attch some old Dell boxes to repace a few mistreated computers > in a computer lab. The Dells have a PXE boot option in the BIOS. I set it > to boot only from pxe and it begins to do so... > > I have also inserted the mac address into my dhcp.confg file.. I do this to > dole out ips and the Dell messages that it is using the proper ip. > > Then it replies: > > PXE-E3A: TFTP too many packages > > Then it errors out. Does anyone have suggestions? Depending on how old the old Dell boxes are, they probably need a flash bios update. Dell is pretty good about making those available for download from their web site. Or you can use an etherboot floppy instead. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 21:22:28 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 14:22:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: <9bd317560510031408q4b58afbbnd30c5e7426eb3f04@mail.gmail.com> References: <1128333319.8195.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9bd317560510031220w3f1fdec7y72201da6f1082926@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510031306l30e63003lfe3a4f70bf71ec1c@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510031408q4b58afbbnd30c5e7426eb3f04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/3/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I'm afraid that's not the problem here. There's no way to run this > verbosely is there? Try this. $ps aux | grep [v]ncreflector then as root (fill in the blank with the pid from the line above) #kill -9 _____ then try to start the vNc session again in TT. I'm thinking maybe you logged out of the vnc session. The vncreflector hangs in this case. Hoping this is your problem. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Mon Oct 3 21:51:38 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 07:51:38 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] can't get vncserver to start In-Reply-To: References: <433991E2.5080709@honeygroveisd.net> <433A46FA.2060206@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <20051002144821.tpyhrzwaifwkkgw8@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> <20051003173946.irkjiemvlotcksgg@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <20051004075138.zs0hrfg52rs4w0ss@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Quoting Robert Arkiletian : > On 10/3/05, Debbie Schiel wrote: >> but I still can't get through to connect to other vnc servers. >> >> Can you help? > > Try setting up the firewall with > > system-config-securitylevel > > Leave eth0 as trusted or your thin clients won't work. Try opening up > 5900 and 5901. I'm not sure of all the ports vnc uses. > You can try to disable the firewall on eth1 temporarily and see if it > works. Another recommendation is to install the nx server rpms from > the extras repo and use it with the client software from nomachine.com > I was asking the list how to do this just recently. If you use > encryption you don't have to worry about opening ports as long as ssh > works. BTW NX is much faster than vnc and the client runs on any > platform. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 Hi Robert, thanks for the problem-solving suggestions. I also had another look at our modem/router and http://www.gotomyvnc.com now (instead of rows of 'not responding') says: XXX.... is accepting connections on Display 1 (TCP port 5901). (plus ports to 5905) ... PROGRESS!! I still can't connect from this box with the vncviewer to any vncservers in the school but it's a starting point. THANK YOU! Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Mon Oct 3 22:43:13 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:43:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot troubles In-Reply-To: <1128371849.1540.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: Yes, Les- I just had to update the bios... there was a change in the PXE code all the way from 0.99 to 0.99na!! I was speaking to Eric at DisklessWorkstations about another issue and mentioned this problem and he also suggested to try to get the pxe portion up to 1.x or 2.x, so I wasn't too hopeful but it worked... Woohoo, more good clients! With thanks, Jim From robark at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 21:03:46 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 14:03:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: <9bd317560510031306l30e63003lfe3a4f70bf71ec1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1128333319.8195.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9bd317560510031220w3f1fdec7y72201da6f1082926@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510031306l30e63003lfe3a4f70bf71ec1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/3/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I want to check something out. Could someone running 4.2.1el post > the contents of /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/GNOME? Thanks! > My clients use icewm but here is the file [ark at server ~]$ cat /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/GNOME #!/bin/bash exec /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession gnome As for the other problem. Not sure exactly what's happening but the first time you click on vNc it takes some time to start the reflector and the clients sometimes do not get the session. Simply click on vNc a second time and things should be okay. I mentioned this in the vncreflector howto on my site. Hoping this is your problem. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Oct 3 23:05:56 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 19:05:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? In-Reply-To: <20051003170909.GA15177@sonic.net> References: <1128341432.30099.17.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051003170909.GA15177@sonic.net> Message-ID: <1128380756.30099.26.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Mon, 2005-10-03 at 10:09 -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 08:10:32AM -0400, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > > In no particular order, here are the major apps that I know about that > > our schools use. Any one of these is, sadly, considered to be a show- > > stopper. > > > > > - KidPix > > - Adobe Photoshop > > > Any reason Tux Paint and Gimp aren't suitable replacements for you? > > -bill! > Yes. Because the administrators and management won't allow them to be. Sadly, the teachers are complicit in this lunacy. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nbs at sonic.net Mon Oct 3 23:19:09 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 16:19:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? In-Reply-To: <1128380756.30099.26.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <1128341432.30099.17.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051003170909.GA15177@sonic.net> <1128380756.30099.26.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20051003231909.GA6165@sonic.net> On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 07:05:56PM -0400, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Yes. Because the administrators and management won't allow them to be. Uhhh... any particular... _reason_? :^) Or am I dumb for even asking? ;^) > Sadly, the teachers are complicit in this lunacy. That's a shame. :^/ -bill! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Oct 3 23:46:41 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 19:46:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? In-Reply-To: <20051003231909.GA6165@sonic.net> References: <1128341432.30099.17.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051003170909.GA15177@sonic.net> <1128380756.30099.26.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051003231909.GA6165@sonic.net> Message-ID: <1128383201.30099.41.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Mon, 2005-10-03 at 16:19 -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 07:05:56PM -0400, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > > Yes. Because the administrators and management won't allow them to be. > > Uhhh... any particular... _reason_? :^) Or am I dumb for even asking? ;^) > It's the same garbage that passes for "logical thought" for why OpenOffice.org and Firefox aren't used here. My district is, it seems, far more interested in turning 3rd and 4th graders into "good little employees" than teaching the concepts of how to use computers as tools. I thought the former was what voc-tech schools were for. > > > Sadly, the teachers are complicit in this lunacy. > > That's a shame. :^/ I agree! It's also the part that amazes me most! With the money saved on those expensive apps plus Windows licenses, *they* might actually be able to get a raise--not just Congress. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 23:48:11 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:48:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Secure passwords, GPG keys, etc. Message-ID: <4341C33B.4060207@gmail.com> Has anyone any experience using one of these (http://tinyurl.com/d4vhd) to keep track of their security info and/or private files? -- Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Oct 4 00:03:51 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 20:03:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? In-Reply-To: <20051003170909.GA15177@sonic.net> References: <1128341432.30099.17.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051003170909.GA15177@sonic.net> Message-ID: <4341C6E7.70003@stmarys-school.org> Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 08:10:32AM -0400, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > >>In no particular order, here are the major apps that I know about that >>our schools use. Any one of these is, sadly, considered to be a show- >>stopper. >> > > > >>- KidPix >>- Adobe Photoshop > > > > Any reason Tux Paint and Gimp aren't suitable replacements for you? > > -bill! > Well... Our teachers just came back from a two day inservice. One of the topics/presentations was Inspiration. Inspriation has some cool features but I doubt that our teachers would use most of them. I suggested that creative use of Impress might work as a replacement. The answer I got was "Most of the work has already been done for the teachers with Inspiration" So here I go... I'm climbing on my soap box... Teachers only have X amount of computer time computer time for the students. They only have X amount of time that they are going to invest into learning software and making lesson plans to fit the curriculum using said software. One of the perceived advantages these software offerings have over many foss offerings is that there is already many lesson plans available and some even map to state and or local standards, or so customers are lead to believe. Teachers will build on and adapt an existing lesson plan using said software but few start from scratch. As more teachers use foss alternatives and post their instructions on how they use it more will use it and adapt it. Some of these "traditional" programs have been around for quite a while. Linux and foss is pretty new on the scene. John From moquist at majen.net Tue Oct 4 00:34:26 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 20:34:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? In-Reply-To: <20051004000402.E077C73730@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051004000402.E077C73730@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20051004003426.GA21162@majen.net> > From: Terrell Prud?, "Jr." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? > > > - KidPix > > > - Adobe Photoshop > > Any reason Tux Paint and Gimp aren't suitable replacements for you? > Yes. Because the administrators and management won't allow them to be. > Sadly, the teachers are complicit in this lunacy. I know this sort of thing never really works, but I see a ClueBat(TM) with an attached note saying, among other things, "Disney is the last of the big dogs to announce coming over to Linux. Digital Domain, Dreamworks, ILM, Pixar -- everybody is onboard. Linux is now the preferred OS for animation and special effects." That particular ClueBat can be found at http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT7096363910.html. Granted, that's really about Film Gimp, but you see, they're very, very similar. The lesson taught by this ClueBat is that wedding yourself monogomously to one particular application is awfully silly when there are huge, important bodies of work going on using another application that is available to you for less than you're paying for what you already have. Also, kids can freely install the GIMP at home; they probably have to use Photo$hop at school unless they've pirated it. The more convincing ClueBat(TM) is the financial one. Perhaps people will think differently someday when they have the choice between 10 Photo$hop/Window$ computers and 30 Linux thin clients. --matt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From gkw-x at shaw.ca Tue Oct 4 00:39:30 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:39:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LocalMedia Message-ID: <4341CF42.6020900@shaw.ca> Has anyone done the steps outlined here: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalMedia I have a default install of k12ltsp (from a couple months ago), and I downloaded the two LDA-*.sh scripts. I put them in the right place, and I followed the GDM steps (the KDM ones had no effect), adding them to the third line of the two scripts (which basically means they're the first thing called)... And then suddenly none of the clients could log in. I assume this is because the script was crashing and KDE wasn't liking it, and just dumped straight back to the login. I tried the smbmount command and it exists. And it seems ltsp_localdev comes with k12ltsp? So I havn't installed anything other than the two LDA-*.sh scripts... Anyone have similar problems? From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Oct 4 01:29:07 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:29:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? In-Reply-To: <20051004003426.GA21162@majen.net> References: <20051004000402.E077C73730@hormel.redhat.com> <20051004003426.GA21162@majen.net> Message-ID: <1128389347.30099.51.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Mon, 2005-10-03 at 20:34 -0400, Matt Oquist wrote: > > From: Terrell Prud?, "Jr." > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? > > > > - KidPix > > > > - Adobe Photoshop > > > Any reason Tux Paint and Gimp aren't suitable replacements for you? > > Yes. Because the administrators and management won't allow them to be. > > Sadly, the teachers are complicit in this lunacy. > > > The more convincing ClueBat(TM) is the financial one. Perhaps people > will think differently someday when they have the choice between 10 > Photo$hop/Window$ computers and 30 Linux thin clients. Experience tells me otherwise. Politicians^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HAdministrators, I've discovered, will think differently only when they feel like they're in imminent danger of job loss. Around here, that's not the situation, so they don't sense any immediate threat to their personal wallets or status by staying with the status quo. Thus, they don't see a need to change. I still maintain that the only way to get this change is to put those in power, whenever possible, in a position where they actually feel like their jobs are in immediate danger. The State of Massachusetts's CIO appears well on the way to making that threat very real for those who choose not to support truly open standards. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From codezilla at email.com Tue Oct 4 02:03:18 2005 From: codezilla at email.com (Patrick Haggood) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:03:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Eduportal replacement Message-ID: <20051004020318.E760FCD9F6@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> I have used Manhattan (manhattan.sourceforge.org) and have just started looking at Moodle (www.moodle.org) which a vendor at last Saturday's Ohio Linux fest gushed over. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe O'Brien" > I am looking for an opensource CMS From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Oct 4 02:33:55 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 20:33:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? In-Reply-To: <434175D8.4030906@sacredsf.org> References: <1128341432.30099.17.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051003170909.GA15177@sonic.net> <434175D8.4030906@sacredsf.org> Message-ID: <4341EA13.1090908@elp.rr.com> AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hoover Chan wrote: > I'm a bit late to this thread. Was there any mention of Hyperstudio? > I'd love to find an Open Source substitute for it. > > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Oct 4 03:18:47 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:18:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your=?ISO-8859-1?Q? school=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: < > <200510030626.30807.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> < > <20051003171139.GB15177@sonic.net> Message-ID: Dan Kegel on Monday, October 3, 2005 at 8:26 PM +0000 wrote: >(Not that anybody actually uses those other features...) That right there is the KEY point! We use Tuxpaint in lieu of KidPix....no one misses the other bells and whistles...it works spendidly for what we REALLY need it for. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 06:49:41 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:49:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? In-Reply-To: References: <200510030626.30807.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> <20051003171139.GB15177@sonic.net> Message-ID: OK, I gathered up all the "must-have" Windows apps y'all mentioned. The full list is at http://kegel.com/wine/qa/#app Please have a look and let me know if I'm missing anything. (I left off the Virginia state tests since they're a web app that requires IE, and IE's a bit beyond the scope of what I want to test.) Thanks! From henryhartley at westat.com Tue Oct 4 14:02:19 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:02:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use atyour school? Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E935@MAILBE2.westat.com> On Monday, October 03, 2005 8:34 PM, Matt Oquist said: >> >> Also, kids can freely install the GIMP at home; they probably >> have to use Photo$hop at school unless they've pirated it. While GIMP is quite remarkable, I find that it really isn't anywhere near as good as Photoshop. This isn't the same situation as OpenOffice vs MS Office where OOo is pretty comparable or Firefox vs Internet Explorer where Firefox is noticeably better. Don't get me wrong, the GIMP is quite good and feature-wise, it's coming on strong. I'm trying to use it all I can and it's getting better. I do find that the things I hate the most, though, are user interface issues that are probably considered features by the developers. It can be really annoying to use. On the other hand, the cost of Photoshop is pretty outrageous and I happily recommend the GIMP to anyone not interested in paying that price (even the student price!). For education, and particularly at the elementary school level I think the GIMP is plenty good enough. As was stated by someone else, the biggest advantage to Photoshop will be the amount of training material that is available. Much of it would not easily translate to the GIMP (with an emphasis on the 'easily'). With the progress being made by the GIMP team, by the time these kids are liable to be doing this outside the school setting, it's going to be much better. -- Henry From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 14:17:53 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:17:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] refuse multiple logins Message-ID: <9bd317560510040717p7d7e0372m31ed9ea388368ac1@mail.gmail.com> At our school I've made a bunch of accounts lettered a-z with a common password for use the little ones. They're too young to deal with logins themselves so the teacher can login with these accounts easily since they have the same password. However, not all of the teachers understand (or can remember) that the system doesn't like multiple logins on the same account. Teachers are worst students! Is there a way to refuse multiple logins by default? Thanks in advance, Peter From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 14:24:32 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 07:24:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use atyour school? In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E935@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E935@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <434290A0.4040604@gmail.com> Henry Hartley wrote: >On Monday, October 03, 2005 8:34 PM, Matt Oquist said: > > >>>Also, kids can freely install the GIMP at home; they probably >>>have to use Photo$hop at school unless they've pirated it. >>> >>> > >While GIMP is quite remarkable, I find that it really isn't anywhere >near as good as Photoshop. This isn't the same situation as OpenOffice >vs MS Office where OOo is pretty comparable or Firefox vs Internet >Explorer where Firefox is noticeably better. Don't get me wrong, the >GIMP is quite good and feature-wise, it's coming on strong. I'm trying >to use it all I can and it's getting better. I do find that the things >I hate the most, though, are user interface issues that are probably >considered features by the developers. It can be really annoying to >use. > >On the other hand, the cost of Photoshop is pretty outrageous and I >happily recommend the GIMP to anyone not interested in paying that price >(even the student price!). For education, and particularly at the >elementary school level I think the GIMP is plenty good enough. As was >stated by someone else, the biggest advantage to Photoshop will be the >amount of training material that is available. Much of it would not >easily translate to the GIMP (with an emphasis on the 'easily'). With >the progress being made by the GIMP team, by the time these kids are >liable to be doing this outside the school setting, it's going to be >much better. > I really must agree with you about the interface. I'm a die-hard Paint Shop Pro fan myself, and going from it's logical & easy-to-use interface to GIMP was quite a shock - It took me /forever/ to do the simplest things. While I suppose I could have become proficient in using it /eventually/, I really don't want to. What the developers /should/ do (IMHO), is offer a more standard interface as either an option or a separate compile, then maybe more people would use it. -- Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting girresistiblys at tschizogonicm.int gbipinnariab at jactiums.com iafricanizationq at lcachexicr.net gtrochocephalusz at ivestigep.gov pvitalizef at ginermouso.gov yocellateq at vpatricidez.int dboltholem at creoverworky.mil firrebuttablek at jcounterpendentf.gov egyrec at jpervaded.org tmandatorilyq at ofishifyh.com From petre at maltzen.net Tue Oct 4 14:40:59 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 09:40:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? In-Reply-To: <1128380756.30099.26.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <1128341432.30099.17.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051003170909.GA15177@sonic.net> <1128380756.30099.26.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4342947B.90501@maltzen.net> Have you shown them GimpShop? (Not that it would do any good, from the sounds of it). One question we, of my school's technical advisory committee, have been kicking around for the past year or so is what we should be teaching kids, within the context of computers, to give them the skills to not just get jobs, but to be able to create jobs, create new companies. The discussion was inspired by "The World is Flat" by Thomas Friedman (who is from our city, coincidently), which some of you may be familiar with. The book's premise--as I understand it; I haven't read it--is the question of how do you create and keep good jobs in your community when seemingly most any technical job can be done overseas for less money? If your kids are only learning how to click on things, those skills can be easily replaced by someone somewhere else who will do it for a lot less money. If, on the other hand, your kids learn about computing by working with tools they can 'take apart', change, and share, they'll have a skillset of knowing how to build things, not just use them. Knowing how to build a house is a more valuable skill than how to live in a house or than how to clean a house. Back to GimpShop: The value of GimpShop is not just that it provides a free tool for people coming from PhotoShop, but that it also demonstrates how OSS can be modified by anyone to fill a need. It also demonstrates how none of us is as strong as all of us: The GimpShop mod was originally done on a Mac; someone else took the code and compiled it for Linux; another person ported it to Windows. OSS allows us to teach kids that they can control their own destiny. Petre Terrell Prud? wrote: > On Mon, 2005-10-03 at 10:09 -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote: > >>On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 08:10:32AM -0400, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: >>> In no particular order, here are the major apps that I know about that >>> our schools use. Any one of these is, sadly, considered to be a show- >>> stopper. >>> >> >>> - KidPix >>> - Adobe Photoshop >> >> >>Any reason Tux Paint and Gimp aren't suitable replacements for you? >> >>-bill! >> > > Yes. Because the administrators and management won't allow them to be. > Sadly, the teachers are complicit in this lunacy. > > --TP > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Tue Oct 4 14:49:04 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 09:49:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? In-Reply-To: <4342947B.90501@maltzen.net> References: <1128341432.30099.17.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051003170909.GA15177@sonic.net> <1128380756.30099.26.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <4342947B.90501@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43429660.2030000@maltzen.net> I should have perhaps mentioned that GimpShop is the Gimp but with the user interface modified to look like PhotoShop, and provided a link: http://plasticbugs.com/index.php?p=241 It's a good tool, good example. Petre Scheie wrote: > Have you shown them GimpShop? (Not that it would do any good, from the > sounds of it). > > One question we, of my school's technical advisory committee, have been > kicking around for the past year or so is what we should be teaching > kids, within the context of computers, to give them the skills to not > just get jobs, but to be able to create jobs, create new companies. The > discussion was inspired by "The World is Flat" by Thomas Friedman (who > is from our city, coincidently), which some of you may be familiar with. > The book's premise--as I understand it; I haven't read it--is the > question of how do you create and keep good jobs in your community when > seemingly most any technical job can be done overseas for less money? > > If your kids are only learning how to click on things, those skills can > be easily replaced by someone somewhere else who will do it for a lot > less money. If, on the other hand, your kids learn about computing by > working with tools they can 'take apart', change, and share, they'll > have a skillset of knowing how to build things, not just use them. > Knowing how to build a house is a more valuable skill than how to live > in a house or than how to clean a house. > > Back to GimpShop: The value of GimpShop is not just that it provides a > free tool for people coming from PhotoShop, but that it also > demonstrates how OSS can be modified by anyone to fill a need. It also > demonstrates how none of us is as strong as all of us: The GimpShop mod > was originally done on a Mac; someone else took the code and compiled it > for Linux; another person ported it to Windows. OSS allows us to teach > kids that they can control their own destiny. > > Petre > > > Terrell Prud? wrote: > >> On Mon, 2005-10-03 at 10:09 -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 08:10:32AM -0400, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: >>> >>>> In no particular order, here are the major apps that I know about that >>>> our schools use. Any one of these is, sadly, considered to be a show- >>>> stopper. >>>> >>> >>> >>>> - KidPix >>>> - Adobe Photoshop >>> >>> >>> >>> Any reason Tux Paint and Gimp aren't suitable replacements for you? >>> >>> -bill! >>> >> >> Yes. Because the administrators and management won't allow them to >> be. Sadly, the teachers are complicit in this lunacy. >> >> --TP >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Oct 4 15:26:16 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:26:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] refuse multiple logins In-Reply-To: <9bd317560510040717p7d7e0372m31ed9ea388368ac1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560510040717p7d7e0372m31ed9ea388368ac1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Check out the gdm-kdm purge user script in /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux read the script as it tells you another file to edit....this will prevent multiple logins Peter Hartmann on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 at 10:17 AM +0000 wrote: >At our school I've made a bunch of accounts lettered a-z with a common >password for use the little ones. They're too young to deal with >logins themselves so the teacher can login with these accounts easily >since they have the same password. However, not all of the teachers >understand (or can remember) that the system doesn't like multiple >logins on the same account. Teachers are worst students! Is there a >way to refuse multiple logins by default? > >Thanks in advance, >Peter > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Oct 4 15:28:50 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 08:28:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at yourschool? In-Reply-To: <11934cb214ab06abffcf07b0a3242ddf@fragakis.com> References: <11934cb214ab06abffcf07b0a3242ddf@fragakis.com> Message-ID: <43429FB2.20706@paasda.org> tux paint does animations? I thought kidpix did... I never used kidpix just was told about it by elementary school teachers. --Huck William Fragakis wrote: >> I moved four PCs back to Windows so that I can run Accelerated >> Reader, and do testing on client desktops in four class rooms. I know >> this >> product has a web version for Windows, but since we already have >> licensing >> for it to run on Windows and Windows 98 - it is cheaper to install >> Windows >> on a minimum number of PCs. >> >> I'm also moving a SPED PC back to Windows so the teacher can run >> Lexia Comprehensive Reading Tests K-12, Quick Reading Tests K-12, >> Teaching >> Reading, Early Reading ages 4-6, Reading S.O.S. ages 9-adult. >> >> I'm interested in any notes (how-tos) you may have on Wine as well. > > > Not only does the web version of AR work with Linux thin clients, the > cost of porting is rather modest ($300, iirc). It was worth that and the > hosting not to have to deal with teachers unable to map/connect to our > AR server. You can port it and host it for the cost of Dell or two using > Windows. Never again will I have to hear the words, "I can't find the > server." > > TuxPaint is a worthy KidPix replacement. > > regards, William > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Oct 4 15:33:51 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:33:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripting help...how to read lines from a text file Message-ID: Hi, I'm trying to write a script to log off kindergarten kids. TeacherTool and Fl_TeacherTool will work, but I'd like to make it easier. Here's what I'm trying to do.... I have a script that I call "stop" (usage is: stop username) which simply kills the user and all associated processes...very effective. What I'm trying to do is write another script that will read the usernames from a list in a text file. I know how to get names from /home.... for x in `ls /home`; do But now I need to know how to read each line in a text file that looks something like: mjones ssmith jdoe rhuard gwelch and execute the command against it.....how can I do this? I want the script to read each line....execute the stop command and then do the next line.... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 15:30:09 2005 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 08:30:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripting help...how to read lines from a text file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69b790a80510040830s6487188egbcd8e239efba19d6@mail.gmail.com> On 10/4/05, David Trask wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to write a script to log off kindergarten kids. TeacherTool > and Fl_TeacherTool will work, but I'd like to make it easier. Here's what > I'm trying to do.... > > I have a script that I call "stop" (usage is: stop username) which > simply kills the user and all associated processes...very effective. What > I'm trying to do is write another script that will read the usernames from > a list in a text file. > > I know how to get names from /home.... > > for x in `ls /home`; do try, for x in `cat filename`;do echo $x ;done Roger From petre at maltzen.net Tue Oct 4 15:41:01 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:41:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripting help...how to read lines from a text file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4342A28D.1060606@maltzen.net> You want to use the 'read' command: #!/bin/bash cat $1 |while read LINE do echo "Processing $LINE" done Run the above with your text file and you'll see the result, and then you can add your stop command to the line after the echo. HTH Petre David Trask wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to write a script to log off kindergarten kids. TeacherTool > and Fl_TeacherTool will work, but I'd like to make it easier. Here's what > I'm trying to do.... > > I have a script that I call "stop" (usage is: stop username) which > simply kills the user and all associated processes...very effective. What > I'm trying to do is write another script that will read the usernames from > a list in a text file. > > I know how to get names from /home.... > > for x in `ls /home`; do > > But now I need to know how to read each line in a text file that looks > something like: > > mjones > ssmith > jdoe > rhuard > gwelch > > and execute the command against it.....how can I do this? I want the > script to read each line....execute the stop command and then do the next > line.... > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From henryhartley at westat.com Tue Oct 4 15:49:11 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:49:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use atyour school? Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E938@MAILBE2.westat.com> On Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:49 AM Petre Scheie said: >> >> I should have perhaps mentioned that GimpShop is the Gimp >> but with the user interface modified to look like PhotoShop I wasn't particularly impressed by GIMPShop. Yes, it addresses one or two of the user-interface issues of the GIMP but certainly not all. While it is theoretically possible to get into the source of GIMP and "fix" all these issues, I'm personally not up to it. Of course, with Photoshop, only Adobe can do it so I'm not saying I don't appreciate the open source model. Just that for me, getting into the source code is not going to be much help. Also, I suspect that some of the changes I'd like are going to be too deeply ingrained in how the software works. To really do it well, you might need to pretty much start over on some things. Now, if I thought I had the skills and I had nothing else to do (hah!) then I might give it a shot. But I don't and I don't. I'm a strong advocate for Open Source and I'd dearly love to replace Photoshop with something free and open. I am just not convinced that the GIMP will be that something. At least, not for a while. -- Henry From nbs at sonic.net Tue Oct 4 15:54:09 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 08:54:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? In-Reply-To: References: <200510030626.30807.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> <20051003171139.GB15177@sonic.net> Message-ID: <20051004155409.GA2005@sonic.net> On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 05:26:54PM -0700, Dan Kegel wrote: > On 10/3/05, Bill Kendrick wrote: > > (Wondering especially about Kidpix, and if you tried Tux Paint. > > And if so, was it a suitable solution? And if not, why?! ;^) ) > > Does Tux Paint accept voice input? No it does not. But, uh... what would one want to say to a paint program, out of curiosity! :^) > Kid Pix does more than you might expect. Well, never having used it, I wouldn't be surprised! > (Not that anybody actually uses those other features...) List 'em for me! ;^) Thx! -bill! From nbs at sonic.net Tue Oct 4 15:58:18 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 08:58:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at yourschool? In-Reply-To: <43429FB2.20706@paasda.org> References: <11934cb214ab06abffcf07b0a3242ddf@fragakis.com> <43429FB2.20706@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20051004155818.GB2005@sonic.net> On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 08:28:50AM -0700, Huck wrote: > tux paint does animations? Tux Paint does not, as it's simply a drawing program (a kid's version of big-kid tools like Photoshop, Gimp and Paintshop Pro, for example). In the back of my mind I have plans on creating a 'flip-book' animation program, separate from (but compatible with) Tux Paint. > I thought kidpix did... > > I never used kidpix just was told about it by elementary school teachers. Did you tell them about Tux Paint? Did they try it out? (It's not like it costs them anything but a couple of minutes of downloading!) -bill! (who'd better get off his high horse, sorry ;) ) From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 15:59:08 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 08:59:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at yourschool? In-Reply-To: <001401c5c8c0$0683bca0$04000005@hsd1.nh.comcast.net> References: <200510030626.30807.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> <20051003171139.GB15177@sonic.net> <001401c5c8c0$0683bca0$04000005@hsd1.nh.comcast.net> Message-ID: On 10/4/05, Alexander Hicks wrote: > If it's not too late... > > For the students: > AlphaBeam, the IR client for Alphasmart ~ this is a huge hurdle for us > > To get Linux on the desks of teachers: > GradeQuick 10 from Jackson Software > School Minder from Hunter Systems I added them to http://kegel.com/wine/qa/#app Please check the entries to make sure I got 'em right. Thanks, Dan From timothy.hart at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 16:00:21 2005 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:00:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use atyour school? In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E938@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E938@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <464c38cc0510040900s275b414dvcb5c665da2592a0e@mail.gmail.com> I am curious as to what features that you need that GIMP can not provide. Not really playing devils advocate here, just curious. I know the lack of CMYK is a pretty big one for me. But having used the GIMP for quite some time now, it has replaced Photoshop for me in almost every way. Photoshop does have quite a few very high end features that I rarely use, and students almost never use. Please elaborate. On 10/4/05, Henry Hartley wrote: > > On Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:49 AM Petre Scheie said: > >> > >> I should have perhaps mentioned that GimpShop is the Gimp > >> but with the user interface modified to look like PhotoShop > > I wasn't particularly impressed by GIMPShop. Yes, it addresses one or > two of the user-interface issues of the GIMP but certainly not all. > While it is theoretically possible to get into the source of GIMP and > "fix" all these issues, I'm personally not up to it. Of course, with > Photoshop, only Adobe can do it so I'm not saying I don't appreciate the > open source model. Just that for me, getting into the source code is > not going to be much help. Also, I suspect that some of the changes I'd > like are going to be too deeply ingrained in how the software works. To > really do it well, you might need to pretty much start over on some > things. Now, if I thought I had the skills and I had nothing else to do > (hah!) then I might give it a shot. But I don't and I don't. > > I'm a strong advocate for Open Source and I'd dearly love to replace > Photoshop with something free and open. I am just not convinced that > the GIMP will be that something. At least, not for a while. > > -- > Henry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Oct 4 16:34:53 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:34:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripting help...how to read lines from a text file In-Reply-To: <4342A28D.1060606@maltzen.net> References: <4342A28D.1060606@maltzen.net> Message-ID: I understad 90%....one question...where do I indicate the filename? Here's what I believe it will look like, but I'm not totally sure where I indicate the path to the text file.... #!/bin/bash cat $1 |while read LINE do echo "Processing $LINE" stop $LINE done > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 at 11:41 AM +0000 wrote: >You want to use the 'read' command: > >#!/bin/bash >cat $1 |while read LINE >do > echo "Processing $LINE" >done > >Run the above with your text file and you'll see the result, and then you >can add your >stop command to the line after the echo. HTH > >Petre > > >David Trask wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm trying to write a script to log off kindergarten kids. TeacherTool >> and Fl_TeacherTool will work, but I'd like to make it easier. Here's >what >> I'm trying to do.... >> >> I have a script that I call "stop" (usage is: stop username) which >> simply kills the user and all associated processes...very effective. >What >> I'm trying to do is write another script that will read the usernames >from >> a list in a text file. >> >> I know how to get names from /home.... >> >> for x in `ls /home`; do >> >> But now I need to know how to read each line in a text file that looks >> something like: >> >> mjones >> ssmith >> jdoe >> rhuard >> gwelch >> >> and execute the command against it.....how can I do this? I want the >> script to read each line....execute the stop command and then do the >next >> line.... >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >> (207)923-3100 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From samsondas at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 16:36:46 2005 From: samsondas at gmail.com (samson das) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:06:46 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] segmentation error in kudzu Message-ID: <408bab940510040936m366e51f0ofbaaea07a6da98cb@mail.gmail.com> iam facing a problem in redhat enterprice edition 4. the problem is while booting kudzu service is not starting and is giving the error segmentation error manualy runing kudzu is also giving the same problem regards samson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 16:57:39 2005 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:57:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripting help...how to read lines from a text file In-Reply-To: References: <4342A28D.1060606@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <69b790a80510040957t58bf731cv1eb12968d6e5cadb@mail.gmail.com> On 10/4/05, David Trask wrote: > I understad 90%....one question...where do I indicate the filename? > Here's what I believe it will look like, but I'm not totally sure where I > indicate the path to the text file.... > > #!/bin/bash > cat $1 |while read LINE > do > echo "Processing $LINE" > stop $LINE > done It's given in the command line: scriptname filename Or, instead of $1, you could sub the file name. as in cat filename | From les at futuresource.com Tue Oct 4 17:24:10 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:24:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripting help...how to read lines from a text file In-Reply-To: <69b790a80510040957t58bf731cv1eb12968d6e5cadb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4342A28D.1060606@maltzen.net> <69b790a80510040957t58bf731cv1eb12968d6e5cadb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1128446650.17069.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 11:57, Roger wrote: > On 10/4/05, David Trask wrote: > > I understad 90%....one question...where do I indicate the filename? > > Here's what I believe it will look like, but I'm not totally sure where I > > indicate the path to the text file.... > > > > #!/bin/bash > > cat $1 |while read LINE > > do > > echo "Processing $LINE" > > stop $LINE > > done > > It's given in the command line: > > scriptname filename > > Or, instead of $1, you could sub the file name. > > as in > cat filename | A couple of notes: parameters from the command line are available in a script by their positional number: i.e. $1 is the first, $2 the second, etc. or you can 'shift' your way through a larger number. Also, 'read' can accept multiple variables, split by the current $IFS variable (default is white space). If there are more values than variables, the last one gets the rest of the line. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From william at fragakis.com Tue Oct 4 17:58:42 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 13:58:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow Flash - what to do... Message-ID: My school is running K12LTSP. Everything has been going well until we started using web-based programs with a Flash interface (Renaissance Place, nee Accelerated Reader). When the 6th or 7th client brings up the page, everything turns to molasses. This also happens if some kids are using Flash and others, TuxType. We can run 10 clients doing Tuxtype with no problem and I've had 10 Flash animations going but a couple of each alone also induces the situation. We are running K12LTSP 4.4.1 (FC4) on a dual core P4 with 2GB of RAM. According to both top and System Monitor, we run into the problem even if CPU use is only 35-40%. We aren't even hitting the swap space either. Using IceWM didn't seem to help, either. The clients are VIA 600mhz (128mb RAM) mini-itxs. We've specified the via driver in lts.conf, too. We have 10 clients per server which in all other uses is no problem. Any ideas? Network latency? Is top not showing the real CPU use? Googling revealed no magic cure, either. Regards, William From petre at maltzen.net Tue Oct 4 18:55:46 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 13:55:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripting help...how to read lines from a text file In-Reply-To: References: <4342A28D.1060606@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4342D032.3050208@maltzen.net> If you call the script stopthem, and your text file with the list of names is called list.txt, then you call it this way: ./stopthem list.txt Within the script, $1 is the first command line parameter, in this case, the file you're parsing. David Trask wrote: > I understad 90%....one question...where do I indicate the filename? > Here's what I believe it will look like, but I'm not totally sure where I > indicate the path to the text file.... > > #!/bin/bash > cat $1 |while read LINE > do > echo "Processing $LINE" > stop $LINE > done > > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, October 04, 2005 at 11:41 AM +0000 wrote: > >>You want to use the 'read' command: >> >>#!/bin/bash >>cat $1 |while read LINE >>do >> echo "Processing $LINE" >>done >> >>Run the above with your text file and you'll see the result, and then you >>can add your >>stop command to the line after the echo. HTH >> >>Petre >> >> >>David Trask wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>>I'm trying to write a script to log off kindergarten kids. TeacherTool >>>and Fl_TeacherTool will work, but I'd like to make it easier. Here's >> >>what >> >>>I'm trying to do.... >>> >>>I have a script that I call "stop" (usage is: stop username) which >>>simply kills the user and all associated processes...very effective. >> >>What >> >>>I'm trying to do is write another script that will read the usernames >> >>from >> >>>a list in a text file. >>> >>>I know how to get names from /home.... >>> >>>for x in `ls /home`; do >>> >>>But now I need to know how to read each line in a text file that looks >>>something like: >>> >>>mjones >>>ssmith >>>jdoe >>>rhuard >>>gwelch >>> >>>and execute the command against it.....how can I do this? I want the >>>script to read each line....execute the stop command and then do the >> >>next >> >>>line.... >>> >>>David N. Trask >>>Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>>Vassalboro Community School >>>dtrask at vcsvikings.org >>>(207)923-3100 >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Oct 4 19:11:18 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:11:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Scripting help...how to read lines from a text file In-Reply-To: <4342D032.3050208@maltzen.net> References: < > <4342A28D.1060606@maltzen.net> < > <4342D032.3050208@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Awesome! It works! Thanks! "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tue Oct 4 2005 at 14:55 +0000 wrote: >If you call the script stopthem, and your text file with the list of >names is called >list.txt, then you call it this way: > >./stopthem list.txt > >Within the script, $1 is the first command line parameter, in this case, >the file you're >parsing. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Oct 4 19:13:50 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:13:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow Flash - what to do... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I had many issues wiht this last year that seem to have mysteriously solved themselves....now that I'm running 4.4 Questions for you though....are you running gigabit out of the server and into a gigabit switch? It'll make a world of difference. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tue Oct 4 2005 at 13:58 +0000 wrote: >My school is running K12LTSP. Everything has been going well until we >started using web-based programs with a Flash interface (Renaissance >Place, nee Accelerated Reader). When the 6th or 7th client brings up >the page, everything turns to molasses. This also happens if some kids >are using Flash and others, TuxType. We can run 10 clients doing >Tuxtype with no problem and I've had 10 Flash animations going but a >couple of each alone also induces the situation. > >We are running K12LTSP 4.4.1 (FC4) on a dual core P4 with 2GB of RAM. >According to both top and System Monitor, we run into the problem even >if CPU use is only 35-40%. We aren't even hitting the swap space >either. Using IceWM didn't seem to help, either. The clients are VIA >600mhz (128mb RAM) mini-itxs. We've specified the via driver in >lts.conf, too. > >We have 10 clients per server which in all other uses is no problem. > >Any ideas? Network latency? Is top not showing the real CPU use? >Googling revealed no magic cure, either. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From mll at mtwp.net Tue Oct 4 19:25:19 2005 From: mll at mtwp.net (Mike Lichtenwalner) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:25:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Command to see network utilization Message-ID: <4342D71F.6020703@mtwp.net> I have one server that mounts the /home directory on another server via NFS. Both servers are connected to the same switch via 100Mb NICs. Is there a command I can run on the boxes (one is RH, the other is SuSE Enterprise) to see how much of that 100Mb is in use? Thanks! Mike _________________________________ Mike Lichtenwalner Technology Specialist Manheim Township School District Lancaster, PA From barry at yellowdog.com Tue Oct 4 19:33:40 2005 From: barry at yellowdog.com (Barry Solof) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:33:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Partitioning Message-ID: <4342D914.2040204@yellowdog.com> Hi, We are close to having a K12ltsp system for a local school. Finally! We managed to find a used Dell server with two 1gig processors and 3 gigs of RAM. Since our original budget for a new server was slashed to nothing this will do nicely under the circumstances. We'll probably start with one or two classrooms (6 - 12 terminals) at first and expand until we fill all the classrooms or the server gets too slow. There are a number of docs on the net about server hard drive partitioning but nothing that seems geared specifically to K12LTSP or LTSP. Any words of wisdom would be a great help. This server has six 8.4gig scsi hard drives. One drive will probably be left for a failover so we really have 8.4*5= 42 gig of usable space. What would be a good way to partition these 5 drives to provide the best speed using K12LTSP? Many thanks, Barry From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 19:43:14 2005 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:43:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Command to see network utilization In-Reply-To: <4342D71F.6020703@mtwp.net> References: <4342D71F.6020703@mtwp.net> Message-ID: <69b790a80510041243p33303428k404641720ecb00ef@mail.gmail.com> On 10/4/05, Mike Lichtenwalner wrote: > I have one server that mounts the /home directory on another server via > NFS. Both servers are connected to the same switch via 100Mb NICs. Is > there a command I can run on the boxes (one is RH, the other is SuSE > Enterprise) to see how much of that 100Mb is in use? iptraf seems to work pretty good for watching traffic. It shows real-time what an interface is using. You could always setup MRTG for graphing out the utilization of the interface. MRTG would let you go back and look at what's going on. roger From petre at maltzen.net Tue Oct 4 20:21:04 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:21:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Partitioning In-Reply-To: <4342D914.2040204@yellowdog.com> References: <4342D914.2040204@yellowdog.com> Message-ID: <4342E430.10103@maltzen.net> Since you have six disks, you could arrange them in three, RAID 1 (mirroring) pairs, which would give you full redundancy. With that in mind, I'd devote one pair to the OS and swap: Set the swap to 3GB to match the available RAM (the rule of thumb used to be swap should be double the RAM, but since performance in LTSP suffers so much when you push into swap, you REALLY don't want to actually make much use of swap); and use the rest of that disk pair for the root (/) partition. Put /home on another pair of disks. And as for the third pair...I don't know, keep around for emergencies. I think 8GB for /home ought last quite a while in a school context. Petre Barry Solof wrote: > Hi, > > We are close to having a K12ltsp system for a local school. Finally! > > We managed to find a used Dell server with two 1gig processors and 3 > gigs of RAM. Since our original budget for a new server was slashed to > nothing this will do nicely under the circumstances. > We'll probably start with one or two classrooms (6 - 12 terminals) at > first and expand until we fill all the classrooms or the server gets too > slow. > > There are a number of docs on the net about server hard drive > partitioning but nothing that seems geared specifically to K12LTSP or > LTSP. Any words of wisdom would be a great help. > > This server has six 8.4gig scsi hard drives. One drive will probably be > left for a failover so we really have 8.4*5= 42 gig of usable space. > What would be a good way to partition these 5 drives to provide the best > speed using K12LTSP? > > Many thanks, > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From henryhartley at westat.com Tue Oct 4 20:28:10 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:28:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use atyourschool? Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E93B@MAILBE2.westat.com> On Tuesday, October 04, 2005 12:00 PM, Timothy Hart said: >> >> I am curious as to what features that you need that GIMP can not >> provide. Not really playing devils advocate here, just curious. >> I know the lack of CMYK is a pretty big one for me. But having >> used the GIMP for quite some time now, it has replaced Photoshop >> for me in almost every way. Photoshop does have quite a few very >> high end features that I rarely use, and students almost never >> use. Please elaborate. It isn't so much features that are missing as that it's harder to do some of the things I want to do. It may be a learning thing, where I just haven't figured out the magic key/mouse combination that does what I want. This is off the top of my head. Given a little time I think I could come up with a longer list... I often work with images that have a good number of layers (like 20 or more, sometimes many more). I'll often lock a few of them together so they move as a unit. Then, another group of two or three, also locked together. In GIMP (as far as I can tell) you can link layers but not in multiple groups. You have to unlink any that are linked, then link the new group. If you want to go back to the old group, you have to re-link them. When scaling layers there is no obvious way to force the aspect ratio to be locked. In Photoshop, simply holding down the [shift] key will do that. The documentation talks about this but I cannot find anything that actually works. So maybe it's coming. When working with xcf files, I often print only to find that just the current layer printed. I also hate the way the image window resized itself so much. You can turn that "feature" off (and I have). Pasting into an image has an extra step. When you paste (Ctrl-V) the image is pasted and the layer says "Floating Selection" and you have to right click on that and select "New Layer". That should be the default. Or I should be able to make it the default. If you click on the layer or anything in the tool "window" and forget to reselect the image window, actions don't always work. For instance, you want to nudge a layer so you select the layer and hit the arrow key, nothing happens (or the wrong thing happens). You must reselect the image before you can do that. I've reassigned a few keyboard shortcuts that I found particularly annoying. Like Z for the zoom (Magnify) tool and = for zoom in (instead of + which requires you to shift - in some versions/platforms but apparently not all). Applying effects to type is another thing. Add a drop shadow to text and then edit the test. When I started with Photoshop, it couldn't do it either but it has been able to for quite some time now. As I said, it's not so much a single feature that I need but more a combination of things just being harder. I use the GIMP when I can. Oh, and as for photographs, I wish the GIMP would preserve (and even let me edit) the EXIF information contained in JPEGs. That would be really nice. -- Henry From robark at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 21:06:06 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 14:06:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Partitioning In-Reply-To: <4342D914.2040204@yellowdog.com> References: <4342D914.2040204@yellowdog.com> Message-ID: On 10/4/05, Barry Solof wrote: > This server has six 8.4gig scsi hard drives. One drive will probably be > left for a failover so we really have 8.4*5= 42 gig of usable space. > > What would be a good way to partition these 5 drives to provide the best > speed using K12LTSP? I agree go RAID1 2 for / 2 for /home 2 for /var and /tmp 1 for swap (no raid) 1 spare -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From petre at maltzen.net Tue Oct 4 21:11:14 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:11:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Partitioning In-Reply-To: References: <4342D914.2040204@yellowdog.com> Message-ID: <4342EFF2.8080004@maltzen.net> He only has six disks, 8GB a piece... Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 10/4/05, Barry Solof wrote: > >>This server has six 8.4gig scsi hard drives. One drive will probably be >>left for a failover so we really have 8.4*5= 42 gig of usable space. >> >>What would be a good way to partition these 5 drives to provide the best >>speed using K12LTSP? > > > I agree go RAID1 > > 2 for / > 2 for /home > 2 for /var and /tmp > 1 for swap (no raid) > > 1 spare > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From nbs at sonic.net Tue Oct 4 21:11:26 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 14:11:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use atyourschool? In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E93B@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E93B@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <20051004211126.GB28440@sonic.net> On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 04:28:10PM -0400, Henry Hartley wrote: > Pasting into an image has an extra step. When you paste (Ctrl-V) the > image is pasted and the layer says "Floating Selection" and you have to > right click on that and select "New Layer". That should be the default. > Or I should be able to make it the default. In this case, I usually prefer to paste into the layer I'm on, so I end up doing Anchor Layer (or the shortcut, Ctrl-H). I also prefer windows to resize when I zoom in/out. However, for the rest, yeah, I agree, those are some features that could use improvement/tweaking. :^) -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From robark at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 21:13:41 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 14:13:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Command to see network utilization In-Reply-To: <69b790a80510041243p33303428k404641720ecb00ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <4342D71F.6020703@mtwp.net> <69b790a80510041243p33303428k404641720ecb00ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/4/05, Roger wrote: > iptraf seems to work pretty good for watching traffic. It shows > real-time what an interface is using. Awesome. Never knew about iptraf!!! -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 21:20:11 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 14:20:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Partitioning In-Reply-To: <4342EFF2.8080004@maltzen.net> References: <4342D914.2040204@yellowdog.com> <4342EFF2.8080004@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On 10/4/05, Petre Scheie wrote: > He only has six disks, 8GB a piece... > Sorry the 8 got stuck in my head. In that case RAID1 2 for / and swap (7 for / and 1 for swap) if you hit swap your dead anyway 2 for /home 2 for /var and /tmp (split 50/50) -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From tim at litwiller.net Tue Oct 4 21:24:47 2005 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:24:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? In-Reply-To: References: <200510030626.30807.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> <20051003171139.GB15177@sonic.net> Message-ID: <4342F31F.6030901@litwiller.net> IE works fine in Wine. Codeweavers even has an automatic install for it. Dan Kegel wrote: > OK, I gathered up all the "must-have" Windows apps y'all mentioned. > The full list is at > http://kegel.com/wine/qa/#app > Please have a look and let me know if I'm missing anything. > (I left off the Virginia state tests since they're a web app that > requires IE, and IE's a bit beyond the scope of what I want to test.) > Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Tue Oct 4 21:31:03 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:31:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Command to see network utilization In-Reply-To: <69b790a80510041243p33303428k404641720ecb00ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <4342D71F.6020703@mtwp.net> <69b790a80510041243p33303428k404641720ecb00ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1128461462.17069.172.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 14:43, Roger wrote: > On 10/4/05, Mike Lichtenwalner wrote: > > I have one server that mounts the /home directory on another server via > > NFS. Both servers are connected to the same switch via 100Mb NICs. Is > > there a command I can run on the boxes (one is RH, the other is SuSE > > Enterprise) to see how much of that 100Mb is in use? > > iptraf seems to work pretty good for watching traffic. It shows > real-time what an interface is using. > You could always setup MRTG for graphing out the utilization of the > interface. MRTG would let you go back and look at what's going on. Cacti http://www.cacti.net/ is a nice web interface for setting up and viewing the graphs - much easier than mrtg itself. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Oct 4 21:55:27 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:55:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? In-Reply-To: <4342F31F.6030901@litwiller.net> References: <200510030626.30807.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> <20051003171139.GB15177@sonic.net> <4342F31F.6030901@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <1128462927.32068.5.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> That's true...for most apps that require IE. For example, Remedy's so- called "Web-enabled" help desk ticket application, called Magic--which absolutely requires IE--works just fine in WINE. However, Cisco ACS and CiscoWorks--both exceedingly poorly written pieces of dinosaur dung-- don't work right unless the browser is IE *on Windows*. Not Mac, not WINE--actual Microsoft Windows. I know, because at work, I use IE on CrossOver Office, and these two pieces of crap Cisco code just don't work right, unfortunately. Of course, Cisco is exceedingly in bed with Microsoft and has been for several years. --TP On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 16:24 -0500, Tim Litwiller wrote: > IE works fine in Wine. Codeweavers even has an automatic install for it. > > Dan Kegel wrote: > > OK, I gathered up all the "must-have" Windows apps y'all mentioned. > > The full list is at > > http://kegel.com/wine/qa/#app > > Please have a look and let me know if I'm missing anything. > > (I left off the Virginia state tests since they're a web app that > > requires IE, and IE's a bit beyond the scope of what I want to test.) > > Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Oct 4 21:59:04 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:59:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at your school? In-Reply-To: <4342947B.90501@maltzen.net> References: <1128341432.30099.17.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051003170909.GA15177@sonic.net> <1128380756.30099.26.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <4342947B.90501@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1128463144.32068.9.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> You're preachin' to the choir, Petre. And no, sadly, it wouldn't do a whit of good; in fact, it would probably do significant professional harm to me if I even try showing it to them. *That* is the real shame. --TP On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 09:40 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > Have you shown them GimpShop? (Not that it would do any good, from the sounds of it). > > One question we, of my school's technical advisory committee, have been kicking around > for the past year or so is what we should be teaching kids, within the context of > computers, to give them the skills to not just get jobs, but to be able to create jobs, > create new companies. The discussion was inspired by "The World is Flat" by Thomas > Friedman (who is from our city, coincidently), which some of you may be familiar with. > The book's premise--as I understand it; I haven't read it--is the question of how do you > create and keep good jobs in your community when seemingly most any technical job can be > done overseas for less money? > > If your kids are only learning how to click on things, those skills can be easily > replaced by someone somewhere else who will do it for a lot less money. If, on the > other hand, your kids learn about computing by working with tools they can 'take apart', > change, and share, they'll have a skillset of knowing how to build things, not just use > them. Knowing how to build a house is a more valuable skill than how to live in a house > or than how to clean a house. > > Back to GimpShop: The value of GimpShop is not just that it provides a free tool for > people coming from PhotoShop, but that it also demonstrates how OSS can be modified by > anyone to fill a need. It also demonstrates how none of us is as strong as all of us: > The GimpShop mod was originally done on a Mac; someone else took the code and compiled > it for Linux; another person ported it to Windows. OSS allows us to teach kids that > they can control their own destiny. > > Petre > > > Terrell Prud? wrote: > > On Mon, 2005-10-03 at 10:09 -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote: > > > >>On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 08:10:32AM -0400, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > >>> In no particular order, here are the major apps that I know about that > >>> our schools use. Any one of these is, sadly, considered to be a show- > >>> stopper. > >>> > >> > >>> - KidPix > >>> - Adobe Photoshop > >> > >> > >>Any reason Tux Paint and Gimp aren't suitable replacements for you? > >> > >>-bill! > >> > > > > Yes. 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URL: From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Tue Oct 4 22:28:29 2005 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:28:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Netgear GS748T switch Message-ID: <4343020D.3010100@physics.isu.edu> We are spec-ing out a new school and were thinking about using these switches.. http://www.netgear.com/products/details/GS748T.php Has anyone used this switch? It seems these are only $800 for a 48 port, sort-of managed gigabit switch. We don't need gigabit to every port (and likely can't use it now, but for that price it is not much of a premium, so might future proof) Any other suggestions? Thanks, Ben From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Oct 4 22:53:09 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 18:53:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Netgear GS748T switch In-Reply-To: <4343020D.3010100@physics.isu.edu> References: <4343020D.3010100@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <1128466389.32068.23.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Be careful with that company. A while back on this list, someone had a connectivity problem with a Netgear switch. He called up Netgear, and they asked him what operating system he was running (not that it matters). When they heard that the OS on the computer was GNU/Linux (again, this *does not* matter for OSI Layer 2 connectivity purposes), they basically told him to go to Hell until he uses a "supported" OS like Windows. I read your hyperlink below, and I know they say that they support "Linux". But don't you believe it. Also, God help you if you have, say, a *BSD file or print server and they ask you what OS is on it, since they don't list *BSD as a "supported" OS. Also, Netgear says that it's managed via a Web browser. Find out what kind(s) is/are supported *before* you plunk down the cash! I'd call their tech support department and ask them. Don't ask the sales dweebs; ask the people who actually do the tech support. While you're at it, be sure to ask how much the SFP modules cost, both copper and fiber. If you choose to go with this switch, also make sure, before you do, that it *fully* supports GVRP. This is a protocol that allows the propagation of VLAN information across multiple switches; think of it as the open version of Cisco's proprietary VTP. If you don't have either GVRP or VTP, then you're looking at manually configuring VLANs across all your switching architecture. Since all of my schools run multiple VLANs with at least ten switches per school (our secondary schools now have over 100 switches!), not having this feature is a major problem for us. That's the chief reason we went with Cisco instead of Amer.com; a year ago, we actually were considering the latter. However, if you're dealing with just three to five switches, then it may not be an issue. --TP On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 16:28 -0600, Ben Nickell wrote: > We are spec-ing out a new school and were thinking about using these > switches.. > > http://www.netgear.com/products/details/GS748T.php > > Has anyone used this switch? > > It seems these are only $800 for a 48 port, sort-of managed gigabit switch. > > We don't need gigabit to every port (and likely can't use it now, but > for that price it is not much of a premium, so might future proof) > > Any other suggestions? > > Thanks, > Ben > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barry at yellowdog.com Tue Oct 4 23:19:56 2005 From: barry at yellowdog.com (Barry Solof) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 19:19:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Partitioning In-Reply-To: References: <4342D914.2040204@yellowdog.com> <4342EFF2.8080004@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43430E1C.1090001@yellowdog.com> Robert Arkiletian wrote: >On 10/4/05, Petre Scheie wrote: > > >>He only has six disks, 8GB a piece... >> >> >> > >Sorry the 8 got stuck in my head. In that case > >RAID1 > >2 for / and swap >(7 for / and 1 for swap) if you hit swap your dead anyway > >2 for /home > >2 for /var and /tmp >(split 50/50) > > > > >-- >Robert Arkiletian >C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Many thanks for the suggestions! Barry From wescott at sc.rr.com Tue Oct 4 23:40:18 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 19:40:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Command to see network utilization In-Reply-To: <4342D71F.6020703@mtwp.net> References: <4342D71F.6020703@mtwp.net> Message-ID: <1128469218.29126.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 15:25 -0400, Mike Lichtenwalner wrote: > I have one server that mounts the /home directory on another server via > NFS. Both servers are connected to the same switch via 100Mb NICs. Is > there a command I can run on the boxes (one is RH, the other is SuSE > Enterprise) to see how much of that 100Mb is in use? If the switch supports snmp queries, snmpdelta can be run to collect data on those ports or any other ports on the switch. From pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Tue Oct 4 23:40:29 2005 From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us (pnelson) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:40:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Netgear GS748T switch In-Reply-To: <20051004225301.E2A357308C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051004225301.E2A357308C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <434312ED.90707@riverdale.k12.or.us> >From: Terrell Prud?, "Jr." >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Netgear GS748T switch >Be careful with that company. A while back on this list, someone had a >connectivity problem with a Netgear switch. He called up Netgear, and >they asked him what operating system he was running (not that it >matters). When they heard that the OS on the computer was GNU/Linux >(again, this *does not* matter for OSI Layer 2 connectivity purposes), >they basically told him to go to Hell until he uses a "supported" OS >like Windows. I had a good experience with Netgear. We had (8) 48port switches with gig uplinks to a Netgear 16 port gig switch. We often (every few days...) lost connectivity to the thin-clients. Pulling the plug on the switch to reset it fixed things for several days and then it would happen all over again. Netgear replaced 2 switches and when the replacements went for a couple of weeks without crashing they replaced the remaining 6 switches. I found their customer support to be very helpful and they were willing to stand behind their product. Having said all that, the folks at http://amer.com/ are supporters of K12LTSP, have donated equipment for shows and have good prices. I will be buying from them the next time I need switches. If you send Wes Van de Polder [wvandepolder at amer.com ]questions about the best equipment for LTSP, he'll know what you're talking about. ;-) Paul -- ====================================================================== Paul Nelson.............................. pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Riverdale High.......... 9727 SW Terwilliger Blvd. Portland, OR 97219 (503)892-0722......fax(503)892-0723................ http://pnelson.us From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 23:57:21 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:57:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow Flash - what to do... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/4/05, William Fragakis wrote: > My school is running K12LTSP. Everything has been going well until we > started using web-based programs with a Flash interface (Renaissance > Place, nee Accelerated Reader). When the 6th or 7th client brings up > the page, everything turns to molasses. Is the web browser run via X? If so, can you try running it locally? From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 5 00:31:46 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 19:31:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Netgear GS748T switch In-Reply-To: <1128466389.32068.23.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <4343020D.3010100@physics.isu.edu> <1128466389.32068.23.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1128472306.21685.14.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 17:53, Terrell Prud??, Jr. wrote: > If you choose to go with this switch, also make sure, before you do, > that it *fully* supports GVRP. This is a protocol that allows the > propagation of VLAN information across multiple switches; think of it > as the open version of Cisco's proprietary VTP. If you don't have > either GVRP or VTP, then you're looking at manually configuring VLANs > across all your switching architecture. Since all of my schools run > multiple VLANs with at least ten switches per school (our secondary > schools now have over 100 switches!), not having this feature is a > major problem for us. That's the chief reason we went with Cisco > instead of Amer.com; a year ago, we actually were considering the > latter. However, if you're dealing with just three to five switches, > then it may not be an issue. I'll telnet to 100 switches and paste in your list of vlans for a lot less than the Cisco switches cost. Unless you change them all the time you've saved a couple of minutes per switch. In fact I do it that way even on Ciscos because I've always been afraid that someone would put a switch from the lab on the main net and it would decide to become the master and tell the others about the wrong vlans. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lighthumor at hotmail.com Tue Oct 4 23:54:10 2005 From: lighthumor at hotmail.com (light being) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 19:54:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] sound faq for LTSP? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have been asked to get the sound working on a bunch of K12LTSP terminals. It seems a little confusing though - some daemon on the server will capture the sound date and send it to the terminal sound cards, I assume. What happens to the server sound card? It just sits there? Is it usable? Does it not even need one? I was planning to setup the sound card on the server first, assuming it was simpler, to learn something, but now that I think of it... BTW, I had a terminal rebooting problem that is now completely solved, the terminals are stable and solid as rocks! Turning on NFS-swapping did the trick. Thanks! From aimssda at cscoms.com Wed Oct 5 03:57:40 2005 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (K12LTSP) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 10:57:40 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Crossover Office menu in IceWM question In-Reply-To: <20051004225302.9109073177@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051004225302.9109073177@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <43434F34.1010107@cscoms.com> Hi, Im using crossover office on top of LTSP but i'm having problem of how to put the menus in IceWM. anybody here has experience with this. Thanks in advance. From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 5 04:09:26 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 23:09:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Command to see network utilization In-Reply-To: <1128469218.29126.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4342D71F.6020703@mtwp.net> <1128469218.29126.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1128485365.22872.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 18:40, Michael C Wescott wrote: > On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 15:25 -0400, Mike Lichtenwalner wrote: > > I have one server that mounts the /home directory on another server via > > NFS. Both servers are connected to the same switch via 100Mb NICs. Is > > there a command I can run on the boxes (one is RH, the other is SuSE > > Enterprise) to see how much of that 100Mb is in use? > > If the switch supports snmp queries, snmpdelta can be run to collect > data on those ports or any other ports on the switch. One other thing that might be useful: if you don't have it, yum install sysstat This will collect snapshots of more system statistics than you want to know about at 10 minute intervals. Use sar -A to see some history that will include interface traffic. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Oct 5 04:19:58 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 00:19:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Shockwave on LInux? w/o spending $1000? Message-ID: Anyone know of a way to get shockwave running on K12LTSP without shelling out a grand to buy the server version of Codeweaver's crossover office? They used to have the crossover plugin, but now I can't find it and I'm not sure it works multi-user anyway. Any ideas? Being able to run Shockwave for some education sites would make everything complete. Is there a WINE method? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 05:02:03 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:02:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Shockwave on LInux? w/o spending $1000? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think the plugin is included in plain old crossover these days. Incidentally, spending a grand on crossover licenses isn't such a bad idea. Codeweavers is working their butts off trying to get free Wine to work. Everything major they do goes into the open source tree, I think. - Dan On 10/4/05, David Trask wrote: > Anyone know of a way to get shockwave running on K12LTSP without shelling > out a grand to buy the server version of Codeweaver's crossover office? > They used to have the crossover plugin, but now I can't find it and I'm > not sure it works multi-user anyway. Any ideas? Being able to run > Shockwave for some education sites would make everything complete. Is > there a WINE method? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Wed Oct 5 07:35:27 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 08:35:27 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux =?iso-8859-1?q?use=09at?= yourschool? In-Reply-To: <20051004155818.GB2005@sonic.net> References: <11934cb214ab06abffcf07b0a3242ddf@fragakis.com> <43429FB2.20706@paasda.org> <20051004155818.GB2005@sonic.net> Message-ID: <200510050835.27726.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Tuesday 04 Oct 2005 16:58, Bill Kendrick wrote: > > Tux Paint does not, as it's simply a drawing program (a kid's version of > big-kid tools like Photoshop, Gimp and Paintshop Pro, for example). Since I've taken all of the games away (at the behest of the headmaster), I've noticed that the game of choice is now Tux Paint. The students especially seem to like the magic wand. We're a secondary school BTW. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From nbs at sonic.net Wed Oct 5 07:38:59 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 00:38:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Which Windows apps stand in the way of Linux use at yourschool? In-Reply-To: <200510050835.27726.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <11934cb214ab06abffcf07b0a3242ddf@fragakis.com> <43429FB2.20706@paasda.org> <20051004155818.GB2005@sonic.net> <200510050835.27726.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <20051005073859.GD5284@sonic.net> On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 08:35:27AM +0100, Martin Woolley wrote: > Since I've taken all of the games away (at the behest of the headmaster), I've > noticed that the game of choice is now Tux Paint. The students especially > seem to like the magic wand. We're a secondary school BTW. Heh! Once again, Open Source proves itself to be scalable. But in this case, from 3yr olds up to 13yr olds! -bill! From jwhite at codeweavers.com Wed Oct 5 11:12:37 2005 From: jwhite at codeweavers.com (Jeremy White) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 06:12:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Shockwave on LInux? w/o spending $1000? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4343B525.8000404@codeweavers.com> Hi David, You shouldn't need the Server Edition for a K12LTSP set up; the 'Professional' version works great with LTSP. Further, we have pretty aggresive educational pricing and volume discounts. With all that said, I suspect that regular Wine would be able to run the standalone shockwave player without trouble. Getting it to work inside the browser, though; that would be hard. The free tools for doing that (Aktion! and a few others) really haven't been kept up. Also, you should be sure to test the Shockwave apps you need with our trial version; Shockwave is a tricky beast, and although we run a lot of it, we don't run it all. As a final plug, we do encourage folks to think of it not as money down the drain, but instead as money spent to support the broader community. We're pretty efficient at turning cash into patches against Wine; I think you'd find a lot of the improvements in Wine these past 5 years can be traced back to the financial support our customers have given us. Cheers, Jeremy David Trask wrote: > Anyone know of a way to get shockwave running on K12LTSP without shelling > out a grand to buy the server version of Codeweaver's crossover office? > They used to have the crossover plugin, but now I can't find it and I'm > not sure it works multi-user anyway. Any ideas? Being able to run > Shockwave for some education sites would make everything complete. Is > there a WINE method? From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Oct 5 11:52:45 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 07:52:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Netgear GS748T switch In-Reply-To: <1128472306.21685.14.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <4343020D.3010100@physics.isu.edu> <1128466389.32068.23.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <1128472306.21685.14.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1128513165.32068.44.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 19:31 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 17:53, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > > > If you choose to go with this switch, also make sure, before you do, > > that it *fully* supports GVRP. This is a protocol that allows the > > propagation of VLAN information across multiple switches; think of it > > as the open version of Cisco's proprietary VTP. If you don't have > > either GVRP or VTP, then you're looking at manually configuring VLANs > > across all your switching architecture. Since all of my schools run > > multiple VLANs with at least ten switches per school (our secondary > > schools now have over 100 switches!), not having this feature is a > > major problem for us. That's the chief reason we went with Cisco > > instead of Amer.com; a year ago, we actually were considering the > > latter. However, if you're dealing with just three to five switches, > > then it may not be an issue. > > I'll telnet to 100 switches and paste in your list of vlans for > a lot less than the Cisco switches cost. Unless you change them > all the time you've saved a couple of minutes per switch. In fact > I do it that way even on Ciscos because I've always been afraid > that someone would put a switch from the lab on the main net and > it would decide to become the master and tell the others about the > wrong vlans. > If you're talking about one site, then that may work. But do you have the time to do it for 241 sites (average 30 switches each), along with all your other duties? :-) Also, that assumes that your Cisco alternative actually supports telnetting or SSH'ing in. I may be wrong, but it doesn't look like those Netgears support a command-line interface, though the Amer.com switches do. No, I must still maintain that GVRP or something equivalent is really a *major* help when you're managing a larger network. Also, since we're adding capabilities to our networks every year (security systems, secured wireless, etc.), we do add VLANs regularly. We're doing it right now, actually. That said, I agree that Cisco switches are horridly expensive, which is why we were considering an alternative (are you listening, Mark Wilhelm? :-) ). If Amer.com had supported GVRP, then we'd have been all over it. But our network is just too big to do it all manually like that. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Oct 5 12:00:25 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 08:00:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] sound faq for LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1128513625.32068.51.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> The server sound cars essentially just sits there. I've not tried disabling the sound card on the server, but yes, there is some daemon that does with the data just what you described. If you actually walk up to the server itself and log on, then yes, you can use the sound card. At that point, you're acting just like a fat-client installation of FC4. But that's using your server like a workstation, which I've learned isn't a good idea. For testing whether or not applications will launch, though, and setting up your server, it doesn't hurt a bit. --TP On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 19:54 -0400, light being wrote: > I have been asked to get the sound working on a bunch of K12LTSP terminals. > > It seems a little confusing though - some daemon on the server will capture > the sound date and send it to the terminal sound cards, I assume. > > What happens to the server sound card? It just sits there? Is it usable? > Does it not even need one? > > I was planning to setup the sound card on the server first, assuming it was > simpler, to learn something, but now that I think of it... > > BTW, I had a terminal rebooting problem that is now completely solved, the > terminals are stable and solid as rocks! Turning on NFS-swapping did the > trick. > > Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linuxsys at davisny.edu Wed Oct 5 12:26:38 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 08:26:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue Message-ID: Hi all, Last night one of my techs called me this morning to let me know that our LTSP server had decided to crash. How nice. I came in this morning and the server had power, but wasn't booted up, as far as I could tell. The terminals upstairs were all searching for DHCP, and the server downstairs would not display anything on the monitor. So, I hit the reset button. Seemed to boot okay (had a few SELinux messages at boot) until a message displayed about.../proc/hdd/media I/O error. I waited a minute or two, then the screen went blank (this is downstairs, on the monitor hooked via KVM switch to the server). I went upstairs and the terminals are booting fine now, but still no display downstairs. Anyone else run into this problem before? Anyone have any idea what could have caused a random freeze which required a reboot and now nothing displays on the screen? Thanks in advance. Calvin Park System Administrator Computer Services Department Davis College: A Practical College of Bible and Ministry email: cpark at davisny.edu phone: 1.607.729.1581 ext 404 web: http://www.davisny.edu/csd From linuxsys at davisny.edu Wed Oct 5 12:46:24 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 08:46:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As an addendum to this, I'm in the process of rebooting all terminals, and I've noticed that it waits quite a while at loading 192.168.0.254:/lts/vmzlinux.ltsp After that it boots like normal, but runs fairly slow...and still no luck getting the monitor hooked to the server to display anything. -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Calvin Park Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:27 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue Hi all, Last night one of my techs called me this morning to let me know that our LTSP server had decided to crash. How nice. I came in this morning and the server had power, but wasn't booted up, as far as I could tell. The terminals upstairs were all searching for DHCP, and the server downstairs would not display anything on the monitor. So, I hit the reset button. Seemed to boot okay (had a few SELinux messages at boot) until a message displayed about.../proc/hdd/media I/O error. I waited a minute or two, then the screen went blank (this is downstairs, on the monitor hooked via KVM switch to the server). I went upstairs and the terminals are booting fine now, but still no display downstairs. Anyone else run into this problem before? Anyone have any idea what could have caused a random freeze which required a reboot and now nothing displays on the screen? Thanks in advance. Calvin Park System Administrator Computer Services Department Davis College: A Practical College of Bible and Ministry email: cpark at davisny.edu phone: 1.607.729.1581 ext 404 web: http://www.davisny.edu/csd _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 5 12:48:09 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 07:48:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1128516488.24235.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 07:46, Calvin Park wrote: > As an addendum to this, I'm in the process of rebooting all terminals, and > I've noticed that it waits quite a while at > > loading 192.168.0.254:/lts/vmzlinux.ltsp > > After that it boots like normal, but runs fairly slow...and still no luck > getting the monitor hooked to the server to display anything. Ssh in and run 'dmesg |less'. Do a 'G' to go to the end and scroll backwards with the page-up or control-b keys. You might see something to explain what went wrong. If not, look in /var/log/messages for anything unusual. The display problem could be the KVM, too. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Oct 5 13:18:27 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 09:18:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Shockwave on LInux? w/o spending $1000? In-Reply-To: <4343B525.8000404@codeweavers.com> References: <,> <4343B525.8000404@codeweavers.com> Message-ID: I don't think of it as money down the drain at all, but I don't need the total functionality of Crossover Office....you used to have a product called Crossover plugin....that's all I need....I simply want some plugins to work with Firefox on K12LTSP that don't currently work. If I got Crossover Pro...how does the licensing scheme work...and will it work multi-user? I basically would need 25 licenses to cover my lab and a couple other stations concurrently as 99% of what we use Shockwave plugin for is done in the lab. Flash works fine and that covers a LOT of what we use....I just want that little extra. I'm trying to do some stuff on Netsmartzkids.org and a few things simply won't work...I'm not 100% sure that it's shockwave, but a lot of what I run into is. Ideas? Recommendations? "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 at 7:12 AM +0000 wrote: >Hi David, > >You shouldn't need the Server Edition for a K12LTSP set up; >the 'Professional' version works great with LTSP. > >Further, we have pretty aggresive educational pricing >and volume discounts. > >With all that said, I suspect that regular Wine would >be able to run the standalone shockwave player without >trouble. Getting it to work inside the browser, though; >that would be hard. The free tools for doing that >(Aktion! and a few others) really haven't been kept up. > >Also, you should be sure to test the Shockwave >apps you need with our trial version; Shockwave is a tricky >beast, and although we run a lot of it, we don't >run it all. > >As a final plug, we do encourage folks to think of it >not as money down the drain, but instead as money spent >to support the broader community. We're pretty efficient >at turning cash into patches against Wine; I think you'd >find a lot of the improvements in Wine these past 5 years >can be traced back to the financial support our customers >have given us. > >Cheers, > >Jeremy > >David Trask wrote: >> Anyone know of a way to get shockwave running on K12LTSP without >shelling >> out a grand to buy the server version of Codeweaver's crossover office? >> They used to have the crossover plugin, but now I can't find it and I'm >> not sure it works multi-user anyway. Any ideas? Being able to run >> Shockwave for some education sites would make everything complete. Is >> there a WINE method? > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 5 13:16:33 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 08:16:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Netgear GS748T switch In-Reply-To: <1128513165.32068.44.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <4343020D.3010100@physics.isu.edu> <1128466389.32068.23.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <1128472306.21685.14.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1128513165.32068.44.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1128518193.24235.30.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 06:52, Terrell Prud??, Jr. wrote: > > I'll telnet to 100 switches and paste in your list of vlans for > > a lot less than the Cisco switches cost. Unless you change them > > all the time you've saved a couple of minutes per switch. In fact > > I do it that way even on Ciscos because I've always been afraid > > that someone would put a switch from the lab on the main net and > > it would decide to become the master and tell the others about the > > wrong vlans. > > > > If you're talking about one site, then that may work. But do you have > the time to do it for 241 sites (average 30 switches each), along with > all your other duties? :-) I'm talking about devices on a network, which makes the locations irrelevant. I have switches and routers in London, Sydney, and Tokyo that are managed the same as the ones in my own building. Of course the routers have tunnels so I can reach the private addresses behind them. > Also, that assumes that your Cisco alternative actually supports > telnetting or SSH'ing in. I may be wrong, but it doesn't look like > those Netgears support a command-line interface, though the Amer.com > switches do. Even a web interface is fair game for scripting. But a few hundred devices aren't a problem to do by hand. I like to tftp back each config anyway and keep it under CVS so I can track changes and can tftp an exact copy into a replacement device. Oddly, the VLAN database doesn't come along as part of the normal config on Ciscos. It's a few minutes work per device. How much are you paying to avoid that? More than a few hundred and it becomes worth scripting. Kermit or expect will work over telnet and perl has some web automation modules. > No, I must still maintain that GVRP or something equivalent is > really a *major* help when you're managing a larger network. Also, > since we're adding capabilities to our networks every year (security > systems, secured wireless, etc.), we do add VLANs regularly. We're > doing it right now, actually. Mostly all you have to do is pick some reasonable number of vlans and add them to all the switches ahead of time so they are carried on the trunk ports. This doesn't happen by default because the switch has to do spanning-tree on each vlan but a dozen or so spares that you added ahead of time won't hurt anything. > That said, I agree that Cisco switches are horridly expensive, which > is why we were considering an alternative (are you listening, Mark > Wilhelm? :-) ). If Amer.com had supported GVRP, then we'd have been > all over it. But our network is just too big to do it all manually > like that. I have several Dell gig switches and they claim to support everything, although the places I'm using them don't need any of the features so I can't say if they actually work. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From harish.pillay at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 13:26:03 2005 From: harish.pillay at gmail.com (Harish Pillay) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 21:26:03 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Shockwave on LInux? w/o spending $1000? In-Reply-To: References: <4343B525.8000404@codeweavers.com> Message-ID: > use....I just want that little extra. I'm trying to do some stuff on > Netsmartzkids.org and a few things simply won't work...I'm not 100% sure > that it's shockwave, but a lot of what I run into is. Ideas? Which parts of netsmartzkids.org does not work for you? From what I have just tested, it seems OK - and this is on a machine that does not have cx installed. Harish From ramonklown at pop.com.br Wed Oct 5 13:54:13 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:54:13 -0300 (BRT) Subject: [K12OSN] Shockwave on LInux? w/o spending $1000? In-Reply-To: References: <,><4343B525.8000404@codeweavers.com> Message-ID: <10070.200.222.204.22.1128520453.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> There's no native ports to linux for shockwave. Here's the petition: www.petitiononline.com/linuxswp/petition.htm Here are the downloads page, as you can see even macos has a build, but not linux. http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ So make sure your problem really is shockwave before you get those licenses. > I don't think of it as money down the drain at all, but I don't need the > total functionality of Crossover Office....you used to have a product > called Crossover plugin....that's all I need....I simply want some plugins > to work with Firefox on K12LTSP that don't currently work. If I got > Crossover Pro...how does the licensing scheme work...and will it work > multi-user? I basically would need 25 licenses to cover my lab and a > couple other stations concurrently as 99% of what we use Shockwave plugin > for is done in the lab. Flash works fine and that covers a LOT of what we > use....I just want that little extra. I'm trying to do some stuff on > Netsmartzkids.org and a few things simply won't work...I'm not 100% sure > that it's shockwave, but a lot of what I run into is. Ideas? > Recommendations? > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, October 05, 2005 at 7:12 AM +0000 wrote: >>Hi David, >> >>You shouldn't need the Server Edition for a K12LTSP set up; >>the 'Professional' version works great with LTSP. >> >>Further, we have pretty aggresive educational pricing >>and volume discounts. >> >>With all that said, I suspect that regular Wine would >>be able to run the standalone shockwave player without >>trouble. Getting it to work inside the browser, though; >>that would be hard. The free tools for doing that >>(Aktion! and a few others) really haven't been kept up. >> >>Also, you should be sure to test the Shockwave >>apps you need with our trial version; Shockwave is a tricky >>beast, and although we run a lot of it, we don't >>run it all. >> >>As a final plug, we do encourage folks to think of it >>not as money down the drain, but instead as money spent >>to support the broader community. We're pretty efficient >>at turning cash into patches against Wine; I think you'd >>find a lot of the improvements in Wine these past 5 years >>can be traced back to the financial support our customers >>have given us. >> >>Cheers, >> >>Jeremy >> >>David Trask wrote: >>> Anyone know of a way to get shockwave running on K12LTSP without >>shelling >>> out a grand to buy the server version of Codeweaver's crossover office? >>> They used to have the crossover plugin, but now I can't find it and I'm >>> not sure it works multi-user anyway. Any ideas? Being able to run >>> Shockwave for some education sites would make everything complete. Is >>> there a WINE method? >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jwhite at codeweavers.com Wed Oct 5 14:49:54 2005 From: jwhite at codeweavers.com (Jeremy White) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 09:49:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Shockwave on LInux? w/o spending $1000? In-Reply-To: References: <, > <4343B525.8000404@codeweavers.com> Message-ID: <4343E812.6060004@codeweavers.com> David Trask wrote: > I don't think of it as money down the drain at all, but I don't need the > total functionality of Crossover Office....you used to have a product > called Crossover plugin....that's all I need....I simply want some plugins > to work with Firefox on K12LTSP that don't currently work. If I got > Crossover Pro...how does the licensing scheme work...and will it work > multi-user? I basically would need 25 licenses to cover my lab and a > couple other stations concurrently as 99% of what we use Shockwave plugin > for is done in the lab. Flash works fine and that covers a LOT of what we > use....I just want that little extra. I'm trying to do some stuff on > Netsmartzkids.org and a few things simply won't work...I'm not 100% sure > that it's shockwave, but a lot of what I run into is. Ideas? > Recommendations? Yeah, we rolled the Plugin functionality into Office; it just became untenable from a support perspective to have it out separately. Based on other responses, it sounds like you may not need Shockwave (which is good, trust me ). Just for completeness, though, I'm going to provide quick answers. But I am feeling that I'm going too far into 'advertising', so I'd appreciate further followups off line. Licensing is based on a complex technology we use called "Trusting your customers". We ask for a license for each concurrent user; it's all honor system based. You can install it once on an LTSP server and all users will automatically pick it up. We're also very flexible on licensing; if you have a unique situation, you can contact us, and we'll try to make things work. We've also recently developed a very modest ability to help break logjams in educational software, so if something doesn't work 'out of the box', it may still be worth pinging us. Cheers, Jeremy From linuxsys at davisny.edu Wed Oct 5 15:02:30 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:02:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue In-Reply-To: <1128516488.24235.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: Alrighty. I just found something interesting. I was checking top and noticed one particular gdm-binary taking up 95% CPU. I joyfully said "Aha!" and pkilled the sucker. Which promptly locked my system until. The terminals upstairs went down and SSH no longer works. My server is now in the midst of a cold reboot. Ick, ick. But, that is a bit more information. Also, I'm including below the body of another one of my messages. I attached an image that was a bit too large (a screenshot) and so it's sitting waiting for moderation. Anyway, below is the body...if anyone wants the screenshot I'll send it to you privately. -------- dmesg didn't tell me too much (though it is possible I'm missing something. I plan to go through it again). I took a look at /var/log/messages, and I've attached a screenshot (I beg forgiveness for using XP) of the last minute or so before it died last night. No problem that I could see. I've checked the KVM, and that particular port is working with our other Linux servers. :( -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:48 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 07:46, Calvin Park wrote: > As an addendum to this, I'm in the process of rebooting all terminals, and > I've noticed that it waits quite a while at > > loading 192.168.0.254:/lts/vmzlinux.ltsp > > After that it boots like normal, but runs fairly slow...and still no luck > getting the monitor hooked to the server to display anything. Ssh in and run 'dmesg |less'. Do a 'G' to go to the end and scroll backwards with the page-up or control-b keys. You might see something to explain what went wrong. If not, look in /var/log/messages for anything unusual. The display problem could be the KVM, too. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From bkovach at logrog.net Wed Oct 5 15:51:27 2005 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:51:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] copying data Message-ID: <49839.216.229.68.126.1128527487.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Hello all, I've a server issue and I don't know what it is. I am reinstalling a server that has been a slave for the last few weeks to try and fix/locate what the problem is. So ... Let's say that this fixes the problem. I know how to copy users to this new box. However, is there a way to copy data from home directories? I don't want to copy user settings or anything like that. I want those to be all new. I only want to copy .docs and things. Ideas? Bk -- Life is a race. Don't lose. From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 5 16:12:23 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:12:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] copying data In-Reply-To: <49839.216.229.68.126.1128527487.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <49839.216.229.68.126.1128527487.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <1128528743.2763.82.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 10:51, Brandon Kovach wrote: > Let's say that this fixes the problem. I know how to copy users to this > new box. However, is there a way to copy data from home directories? I > don't want to copy user settings or anything like that. I want those to > be all new. I only want to copy .docs and things. Unless you are changing versions I'd probably rsync the entire home directory and then back out any .config files that seem to be breaking specific applications. However if you really don't want to take any .files, you could cd /home and tar -cvf /somewhere/home.tar */* Or do a script that cd's to each directory and rsync's *. The idea being that expanding * skips files that start with a '.', where tar/rsync directory recursion would take them. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From nbs at sonic.net Wed Oct 5 16:23:50 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:23:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Shockwave on LInux? w/o spending $1000? In-Reply-To: <10070.200.222.204.22.1128520453.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> References: <, ><4343B525.8000404@codeweavers.com> <10070.200.222.204.22.1128520453.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <20051005162350.GB748@sonic.net> On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 10:54:13AM -0300, Ramon wrote: > There's no native ports to linux for shockwave. Here's the petition: > www.petitiononline.com/linuxswp/petition.htm Hrm, I signed it, but... An error occurred while loading http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/petition-sign.cgi?linuxswp: Connection to host www.petitiononline.com is broken. -bill! From bkovach at logrog.net Wed Oct 5 16:25:59 2005 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:25:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] copying data In-Reply-To: <1128528743.2763.82.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <49839.216.229.68.126.1128527487.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <1128528743.2763.82.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <56001.216.229.68.126.1128529559.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Thanks for the idea Les. However, I am new enough to Linux to not understand rsync. Could that be the problem I am having now? How does rsync work and what does it do? BK > On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 10:51, Brandon Kovach wrote: > >> Let's say that this fixes the problem. I know how to copy users to this >> new box. However, is there a way to copy data from home directories? I >> don't want to copy user settings or anything like that. I want those to >> be all new. I only want to copy .docs and things. > > Unless you are changing versions I'd probably rsync the entire home > directory and then back out any .config files that seem to be > breaking specific applications. However if you really don't want > to take any .files, you could cd /home and > tar -cvf /somewhere/home.tar */* > Or do a script that cd's to each directory and rsync's *. The idea > being that expanding * skips files that start with a '.', where > tar/rsync directory recursion would take them. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Life is a race. Don't lose. From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Wed Oct 5 16:46:42 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 10:46:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43440372.5000300@saskforestcentre.ca> This one sounds like a failing drive - you mentioned something about a IO error (ok, I've responded to a message where that's been trimmed. Drat.) on some drive or another. At a guess, it's blocking on reading a file which is partially on a failed sector of the disk. gdm is probably waiting for it, and eventually gives up and authenticates (that's why logging in would be slow). I would book a weekend to baby your server, or an evening, or something. Boot off a livecd of some sort, and see what you can do. Perhaps replacing the drive is in order. That usually works for me. Of course, you have your important data all backed up somehow, as all of us always do...:-) If not, then make that your first priority off a livecd boot. Back it all up. Especially /home. Angus Carr. Calvin Park wrote: >Alrighty. I just found something interesting. I was checking top and noticed >one particular gdm-binary taking up 95% CPU. I joyfully said "Aha!" and >pkilled the sucker. Which promptly locked my system until. The terminals >upstairs went down and SSH no longer works. My server is now in the midst of >a cold reboot. Ick, ick. But, that is a bit more information. > >Also, I'm including below the body of another one of my messages. I attached >an image that was a bit too large (a screenshot) and so it's sitting waiting >for moderation. Anyway, below is the body...if anyone wants the screenshot >I'll send it to you privately. > > >-------- >dmesg didn't tell me too much (though it is possible I'm missing something. >I plan to go through it again). I took a look at /var/log/messages, and I've >attached a screenshot (I beg forgiveness for using XP) of the last minute or >so before it died last night. No problem that I could see. > >I've checked the KVM, and that particular port is working with our other >Linux servers. :( > >-Calvin > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >Behalf Of Les Mikesell >Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:48 AM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: RE: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue > > >On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 07:46, Calvin Park wrote: > > >>As an addendum to this, I'm in the process of rebooting all terminals, and >>I've noticed that it waits quite a while at >> >>loading 192.168.0.254:/lts/vmzlinux.ltsp >> >>After that it boots like normal, but runs fairly slow...and still no luck >>getting the monitor hooked to the server to display anything. >> >> > >Ssh in and run 'dmesg |less'. Do a 'G' to go to the end and >scroll backwards with the page-up or control-b keys. You >might see something to explain what went wrong. If not, >look in /var/log/messages for anything unusual. The display >problem could be the KVM, too. > >-- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Oct 5 16:50:33 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:50:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Simple RSYNC question Message-ID: <002b01c5c9cc$e7126160$1a0f060a@winonacotter.org> I have two servers and am doing a migration from one to another. I am doing an rsync to move home over. Only problem I have is the rsync does not remove files from the new server that no longer exist on the current server. This isn't a problem if I do an rsync from scratch, but I want to have it rsync'd prior so that the final sync doesn't take as long making for a smoother transition. I currently have /home from the existing server mounted on the new server as /mnt/mailhome. I am using rsync with the following command: #rsync -arvv /mnt/mailhome/ /home Is there a simple switch to add that will remove the files from the new server if they have been removed from the old server? Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/119 - Release Date: 10/4/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From bill.bardon at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 16:53:23 2005 From: bill.bardon at gmail.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:53:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Simple RSYNC question In-Reply-To: <002b01c5c9cc$e7126160$1a0f060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002b01c5c9cc$e7126160$1a0f060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20051005115323.28c6ff5d@localhost.localdomain> On Wednesday, Oct 05 Jim Kronebusch wrote: > #rsync -arvv /mnt/mailhome/ /home > > Is there a simple switch to add that will remove the files from the > new server if they have been removed from the old server? rsync -arvv --delete /mnt/mailhome/ /home Also try "man rsync" to learn about the command options available. Be careful, rsync really will delete files. Be sure your source and target are correct before you accidentally wipe out a bunch of stuff. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 16:56:10 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 09:56:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue In-Reply-To: <43440372.5000300@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <43440372.5000300@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <434405AA.1020207@gmail.com> If the drive isn't actually failing, but only has developed some bad sectors, (or if you have data you need off of it) then Spinrite http://www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm could be a /huge/ help. Angus Carr wrote: > This one sounds like a failing drive - you mentioned something about a > IO error (ok, I've responded to a message where that's been trimmed. > Drat.) on some drive or another. > > At a guess, it's blocking on reading a file which is partially on a > failed sector of the disk. gdm is probably waiting for it, and > eventually gives up and authenticates (that's why logging in would be > slow). I would book a weekend to baby your server, or an evening, or > something. > > Boot off a livecd of some sort, and see what you can do. Perhaps > replacing the drive is in order. That usually works for me. > > Of course, you have your important data all backed up somehow, as all > of us always do...:-) > > If not, then make that your first priority off a livecd boot. Back it > all up. Especially /home. > > Angus Carr. > > Calvin Park wrote: > >> Alrighty. I just found something interesting. I was checking top and >> noticed >> one particular gdm-binary taking up 95% CPU. I joyfully said "Aha!" and >> pkilled the sucker. Which promptly locked my system until. The terminals >> upstairs went down and SSH no longer works. My server is now in the >> midst of >> a cold reboot. Ick, ick. But, that is a bit more information. >> >> Also, I'm including below the body of another one of my messages. I >> attached >> an image that was a bit too large (a screenshot) and so it's sitting >> waiting >> for moderation. Anyway, below is the body...if anyone wants the >> screenshot >> I'll send it to you privately. >> >> >> -------- >> dmesg didn't tell me too much (though it is possible I'm missing >> something. >> I plan to go through it again). I took a look at /var/log/messages, >> and I've >> attached a screenshot (I beg forgiveness for using XP) of the last >> minute or >> so before it died last night. No problem that I could see. >> >> I've checked the KVM, and that particular port is working with our other >> Linux servers. :( >> >> -Calvin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >> Behalf Of Les Mikesell >> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:48 AM >> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue >> >> >> On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 07:46, Calvin Park wrote: >> >> >>> As an addendum to this, I'm in the process of rebooting all >>> terminals, and >>> I've noticed that it waits quite a while at >>> >>> loading 192.168.0.254:/lts/vmzlinux.ltsp >>> >>> After that it boots like normal, but runs fairly slow...and still no >>> luck >>> getting the monitor hooked to the server to display anything. >>> >> >> >> Ssh in and run 'dmesg |less'. Do a 'G' to go to the end and >> scroll backwards with the page-up or control-b keys. You >> might see something to explain what went wrong. If not, >> look in /var/log/messages for anything unusual. The display >> problem could be the KVM, too. >> >> -- >> Les Mikesell >> les at futuresource.com > -- Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting From william at fragakis.com Wed Oct 5 17:06:10 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:06:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Slow Flash - what to do... In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20051004211326.025f5010@mail.comcast.net> References: <43431745.4080909@rochester.rr.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20051004211326.025f5010@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <69b6731dd5d71f9f090eaf251f24f279@fragakis.com> Thanks to some kind comments, research and internal testing, it seems to be a bandwidth issue on a 10/100 network. We can run 7 clients on AR (Renaissance Place) fine and there have been comments that flash eats up about 10mb/sec. That puts us up to 70 plus whatever small amount the other clients are pulling and that gets us up to the sludge point on the network. Also, making sure we used the via not generic video drivers helped a bit (auto doesn't work very well, apparently with the mini-itx mbs). We are going to be putting in gigabit connections from the server to the switch and, hopefully (and according to others' comments) that should do it. Thought I'd pass this along. Regards, William From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Oct 5 17:10:41 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 12:10:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Simple RSYNC question In-Reply-To: <20051005115323.28c6ff5d@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <002c01c5c9cf$b6d82900$1a0f060a@winonacotter.org> > rsync -arvv --delete /mnt/mailhome/ /home > > Also try "man rsync" to learn about the command options available. > > Be careful, rsync really will delete files. Be sure your > source and target are correct before you accidentally wipe > out a bunch of stuff. Thanks Bill. I figured I would ask just to be safe. I saw the option in man rsync but it always makes me nervous. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/119 - Release Date: 10/4/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From linuxsys at davisny.edu Wed Oct 5 17:14:15 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:14:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue In-Reply-To: <434405AA.1020207@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, after a forth reboot this morning things _seem_ to be working just fine. However, I am worried that it could be a drive issue (which makes me nervous). I'll check out spinrite...and perhaps Friday evening I can spend some quality time with my server. :) Thanks for all the help...if anyone has any additional ideas, feel free to share. -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Keith Olson Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:56 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue If the drive isn't actually failing, but only has developed some bad sectors, (or if you have data you need off of it) then Spinrite http://www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm could be a /huge/ help. Angus Carr wrote: > This one sounds like a failing drive - you mentioned something about a > IO error (ok, I've responded to a message where that's been trimmed. > Drat.) on some drive or another. > > At a guess, it's blocking on reading a file which is partially on a > failed sector of the disk. gdm is probably waiting for it, and > eventually gives up and authenticates (that's why logging in would be > slow). I would book a weekend to baby your server, or an evening, or > something. > > Boot off a livecd of some sort, and see what you can do. Perhaps > replacing the drive is in order. That usually works for me. > > Of course, you have your important data all backed up somehow, as all > of us always do...:-) > > If not, then make that your first priority off a livecd boot. Back it > all up. Especially /home. > > Angus Carr. > > Calvin Park wrote: > >> Alrighty. I just found something interesting. I was checking top and >> noticed >> one particular gdm-binary taking up 95% CPU. I joyfully said "Aha!" and >> pkilled the sucker. Which promptly locked my system until. The terminals >> upstairs went down and SSH no longer works. My server is now in the >> midst of >> a cold reboot. Ick, ick. But, that is a bit more information. >> >> Also, I'm including below the body of another one of my messages. I >> attached >> an image that was a bit too large (a screenshot) and so it's sitting >> waiting >> for moderation. Anyway, below is the body...if anyone wants the >> screenshot >> I'll send it to you privately. >> >> >> -------- >> dmesg didn't tell me too much (though it is possible I'm missing >> something. >> I plan to go through it again). I took a look at /var/log/messages, >> and I've >> attached a screenshot (I beg forgiveness for using XP) of the last >> minute or >> so before it died last night. No problem that I could see. >> >> I've checked the KVM, and that particular port is working with our other >> Linux servers. :( >> >> -Calvin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >> Behalf Of Les Mikesell >> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:48 AM >> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue >> >> >> On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 07:46, Calvin Park wrote: >> >> >>> As an addendum to this, I'm in the process of rebooting all >>> terminals, and >>> I've noticed that it waits quite a while at >>> >>> loading 192.168.0.254:/lts/vmzlinux.ltsp >>> >>> After that it boots like normal, but runs fairly slow...and still no >>> luck >>> getting the monitor hooked to the server to display anything. >>> >> >> >> Ssh in and run 'dmesg |less'. Do a 'G' to go to the end and >> scroll backwards with the page-up or control-b keys. You >> might see something to explain what went wrong. If not, >> look in /var/log/messages for anything unusual. The display >> problem could be the KVM, too. >> >> -- >> Les Mikesell >> les at futuresource.com > -- Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Oct 5 18:01:50 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:01:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Shockwave on LInux? w/o spending $1000? In-Reply-To: <20051005162350.GB748@sonic.net> References: <, > <4343B525.8000404@codeweavers.com> < > < > <10070.200.222.204.22.1128520453.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> <20051005162350.GB748@sonic.net> Message-ID: I signed it a long time ago....nothing yet David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Oct 5 18:08:05 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:08:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Shockwave on LInux? w/o spending $1000? In-Reply-To: References: < > <4343B525.8000404@codeweavers.com> < > Message-ID: Harish Pillay on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 at 9:26 AM +0000 wrote: >> use....I just want that little extra. I'm trying to do some stuff on >> Netsmartzkids.org and a few things simply won't work...I'm not 100% >sure >> that it's shockwave, but a lot of what I run into is. Ideas? > >Which parts of netsmartzkids.org does not work for you? From >what I have just tested, it seems OK - and this is on a machine >that does not have cx installed. > >Harish The videos on this page won't play http://www.netsmartzkids.org/tunes/index.htm do they for you? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Oct 5 18:15:35 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:15:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Shockwave on LInux? w/o spending $1000? In-Reply-To: References: < > <, > <4343B525.8000404@codeweavers.com> < > <, > <, > <,> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 at 2:08 PM +0000 wrote >The videos on this page won't play one > >http://www.netsmartzkids.org/tunes/index.htm do they for you? OK...I found that they're WMV (Windows Media files).....what's everyone's fave plugin for this codec in Linux? I need it to work in Firefox David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From nbs at sonic.net Wed Oct 5 18:10:43 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:10:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Shockwave on LInux? w/o spending $1000? In-Reply-To: References: <4343B525.8000404@codeweavers.com> Message-ID: <20051005181043.GB8196@sonic.net> On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 02:08:05PM -0400, David Trask wrote: > The videos on this page won't play > http://www.netsmartzkids.org/tunes/index.htm do they for you? The UI on that seems to be mostly Flash. The central part where it looks like videos are supposed to play is an IFRAME. There's JavaScript to fill the source of that IFRAME, for example, to the following URL: http://www.netsmartzkids.org/tunes/uyn.htm Looking at the page's source (I don't get videos on the main page, or by looking directly at the IFRAME URL above using Mozilla on Windows XP), it appears the video is simply an embedded WMV. So, no Shockwave. (Those are typically used for complex interactive games.) Not even AVI-embedded-in-Flash. Just a plain video file. I believe most browsers can play embedded videos like this, with the appropriate plugins. I have a feeling that on Linux, MPlayer might need to be used. I was actually also able to figure out that WMVs were involved by simply hitting View->Page Info and selecting the Media tab in Mozilla. :^) Good luck! (I have no idea how to get the video to play under Windows in Mozilla.) (I also cannot play the videos in Internet Explorer since apparently I don't have Macromedia Flash... even though all of the Flash components were working for me in Mozilla. Man, IE is lame! >:^P ) -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From nbs at sonic.net Wed Oct 5 18:12:35 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:12:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Shockwave on LInux? w/o spending $1000? In-Reply-To: References: <4343B525.8000404@codeweavers.com> Message-ID: <20051005181235.GC8196@sonic.net> On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 02:15:35PM -0400, David Trask wrote: > OK...I found that they're WMV (Windows Media files).....what's everyone's > fave plugin for this codec in Linux? I need it to work in Firefox A quick Google search for "firefox wmv plugin linux" came up with: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialMozillaConfiguration.html Which links to: http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/ I don't have Linux or Firefox in front of me at the moment, but hopefully that gets you on the right track. And hopefully it'll work on LTSP! :) -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From robark at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 18:44:21 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:44:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] iptraf - ip checksum errors? Message-ID: Having recently discovered iptraf I found "ip checksum errors" being generated at around 1000/sec when a full class is using the lab. Any idea how to track down this problem? Is there any way to find out which clients are reporting bad packets? I am using (Detailed interface stats for eth0) my total rate is around 7,000 packets/sec -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed Oct 5 19:13:53 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 13:13:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit K12ltsp based on 4.4.1 Message-ID: Hi Eric, I'm trying to install K12ltsp on our new twin 64 bit xenon box. I have used a FC-64 bit DVD iso for the install and have grabbed the K12 rpms listed below from: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.1/ I'm trying to follow the steps listed below but there is no GPG key to import in the ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.1/RPMS/x86-64 directory. Can I import one from the ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.1/i386/ directory? I would like to use a Fedora Core 4 based OS if possible. Thanks for any help. Jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >I installed the K12LTSP 4.2.0 packages on my Athlon64 laptop today. No >major issues, almost everything worked out of the box. The only real >gotchas I've seen so far: > >1) no support for the java or flash plugins >2) up2date does not include the K12LTSP repositories (i.e. "add >additional software does not work", which is not too big of a deal since >Java and Flash are not supported) >3) apt does not work > > >I'll fix items #2 & #3 sometime in the near future. > > >Here are the steps I followed: > > >0. Install FC3 x86_64. I picked a standard Desktop install. The only >things I changed from the default were: > > Firewall: trust eth0 > Network: eth0 IP=192.168.0.254 netmask 255.255.255.0 > > Once the install was completed... > > >1. Download and install k12ltsp-release package: > > rpm -ihv ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.0/i386/Fedora/RPMS/k12ltsp-release-4.2.0-1.noarch.rpm > > >2. Import GPG keys: > > rpm --import /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* > rpm --import ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.0/RPMS/x86-64/RPM-GPG-KEY-Fedora-Pre-Extras > > >3. Install K12LTSP packages: > > yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-extras k12ltsp-utils >k12ltsp-education > >4. Configure K12LTSP: > > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize > >5. Reboot > >6. Rejoice > > >-Eric From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 20:33:28 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:33:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit K12ltsp based on 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd317560510051333v7b03f42bi409972d88af0cadc@mail.gmail.com> I'm using Centos4 x86_64 and 4.2.1. FWIW, I would stick with what everyone else is using. Specifically I've had a lot of trouble with certain python apps. Also the k12ltsp-firefox. Not sure what the usage of FC4 x86_64 is but I think i may be the only one on the list using Centos4 x86_64. If you are bound an determined to go that way I'll tell you what I did to get things going. P On 10/5/05, Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hi Eric, > > I'm trying to install K12ltsp on our new twin 64 bit xenon box. I have used > a FC-64 bit DVD iso for the install and have grabbed the K12 rpms listed > below from: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.1/ > > I'm trying to follow the steps listed below but there is no GPG key to > import in the ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.1/RPMS/x86-64 > directory. > > Can I import one from the > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.1/i386/ directory? > > I would like to use a Fedora Core 4 based OS if possible. > > Thanks for any help. > > Jim > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >I installed the K12LTSP 4.2.0 packages on my Athlon64 laptop today. No > >major issues, almost everything worked out of the box. The only real > >gotchas I've seen so far: > > > >1) no support for the java or flash plugins > >2) up2date does not include the K12LTSP repositories (i.e. "add > >additional software does not work", which is not too big of a deal since > >Java and Flash are not supported) > >3) apt does not work > > > > > >I'll fix items #2 & #3 sometime in the near future. > > > > > >Here are the steps I followed: > > > > > >0. Install FC3 x86_64. I picked a standard Desktop install. The only > >things I changed from the default were: > > > > Firewall: trust eth0 > > Network: eth0 IP=192.168.0.254 netmask 255.255.255.0 > > > > Once the install was completed... > > > > > >1. Download and install k12ltsp-release package: > > > > rpm -ihv > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.0/i386/Fedora/RPMS/k12ltsp-release-4.2.0-1.noarch.rpm > > > > > >2. Import GPG keys: > > > > rpm --import /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* > > rpm --import > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.0/RPMS/x86-64/RPM-GPG-KEY-Fedora-Pre-Extras > > > > > >3. Install K12LTSP packages: > > > > yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-extras k12ltsp-utils > >k12ltsp-education > > > >4. Configure K12LTSP: > > > > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize > > > >5. Reboot > > > >6. Rejoice > > > > > >-Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Oct 5 21:29:55 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:29:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] playing wmv in K12LTSP...problems with mplayer Message-ID: Hi all, I have a section of NetSmarzKids.org that requires the ability to play wmv (Windows Media Video) files. I know that it can be done as I do it in Ubuntu with the mplayer plugin. I having a very difficult time getting mplayer to install on my K12LTSP 4.4 system. I used yumex (YUM extender) to enable the livna repository along with all the others and yet it still will not install and I can't seem to gather why as it's simply giving me a transaction error wih no output as to what is going wrong. Anyone running mplayer and mplayer-plugin for Firefox on a K12LTSP system....if so are you able to play the videos on this page? >http://www.netsmartzkids.org/tunes/index.htm Any ideas? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From gKw-X at shaw.ca Wed Oct 5 21:37:41 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:37:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 3c509 won't boot Message-ID: <10ee1a10e4b2.10e4b210ee1a@shaw.ca> Ok I'm back at it today... I have three computers with a 3com card, the 3c509. I made the rom-o-matic boot disk and they load it fine, and connect, and start with the boot process, but then they die with "kernel panic: attempted to kill init". The message says could not automatically detect the network card, etc etc, if it's an ISA card add NIC= parameter in option-129 to /etc/dhcpd.conf So I think I've done this, I copy/pasted one of the entries and changed the MAC address to that of the computer that won't load: host ws008 { hardware ethernet 00:60:08:9D:B5:1C; option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; } However, it still won't load, it gives the same error. Help! One other thing, it says in dhcpd.conf: # Don't forget to set run_dhcpd=1 in /etc/init.d/dhcpd # once you adjusted this file and copied it to /etc/dhcpd.conf. Which I didn't do... But I initially left out a semicolon, and then nothing would boot, until I put it back, and now everything else boots like normal again, so it must be loading these settings... From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 5 21:42:59 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:42:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Simple RSYNC question In-Reply-To: <002c01c5c9cf$b6d82900$1a0f060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002c01c5c9cf$b6d82900$1a0f060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1128548579.2763.488.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 12:10, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > rsync -arvv --delete /mnt/mailhome/ /home > > > > Also try "man rsync" to learn about the command options available. > > > > Be careful, rsync really will delete files. Be sure your > > source and target are correct before you accidentally wipe > > out a bunch of stuff. > > Thanks Bill. I figured I would ask just to be safe. I saw the option > in man rsync but it always makes me nervous. One trick is to add -n to the options which will make rsync not really do anything, but if you are also using -v it will show you what would happen in a real run. If everything looks reasonable, then run it again without the -n to really do it. When I build new servers I usually set the new one up with a different name/ip address and rsync most stuff over ahead of the switch and check that things generally work. Then at the last minute I shut down services on the old server, do a final rsync of user data like /home and /var/spool/mail with the --delete option on. This goes quickly unless there are a lot of changes. Then I change the names and IP numbers on both servers and reboot so in a few minutes more than a reboot, the new box takes over. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From moquist at majen.net Wed Oct 5 22:04:05 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:04:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] release of smbldap-installer-2.0-gamma In-Reply-To: <20051004225302.2DE087315E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051004225302.2DE087315E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20051005220405.GA14106@majen.net> To download: http://majen.net/smbldap/ The smbldap-installer has had some minor changes that justify another pre-release. The things keeping me from calling this 2.0 are that I haven't been able to fully test yet, and the documentation is woefully out of date. I'm talking with Dave offline about the documentation, though help would be welcome there. If anyone else wants to try it out and let me know how it goes, that would be great. (In addition, I know I've already promised a couple people to add CentOS to the list of supported distros.) BTW, the smbldap-ldif-backup-configure script should work fine regardless of what version of the smbldap-installer you've used on your system. If you just want to configure the regular backups you should download http://majen.net/smbldap/smbldap-installer-latest.tgz, un-tar it, and run 'make ldif-backup' (or just ./smbldap-ldif-backup-configure). FYI, the script sets up weekly backups of your LDAP DB (via slapcat) and uses logrotate to keep 8 of those around at all times. The NEWS file says: Between 2.0-beta and 2.0-gamma * Changed name of smbldap-ldif-backup to smbldap-ldif-backup-configure. Changed Makefile to reflect this. * Changed ldif-backup to be done via a script in cron.daily rather than by the postrotate script in logrotate. Between 1.2.1 and 2.0-beta * Separated installation and configuration into separate scripts to make it easier to support multiple distributions. * smbldap-install tries to use yum before asking for CDs if possible. * Alpha support for user quotas. NOTE: This is an additional input field into smbldap-useradd-bulk. * smb-ldap.pl is deprecated; use 'make all' instead. * Added automatic configuration of weekly LDIF backups. The backups are stored in /var/lib/ldap/ldif-backups/ by default. * Fixed broken output/input of smbldap-useradd-bulk. Now the output is correctly processed as valid input. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From staffords at glenburn.net Wed Oct 5 21:59:25 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:59:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Can lts.conf go corrupt? In-Reply-To: <002c01c5c9cf$b6d82900$1a0f060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002c01c5c9cf$b6d82900$1a0f060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: odd issue We have a good number of edits for older equipment in our Classroom Server lts.conf file. We were doing great. over 150 terminals out there and only 5 giving us issues to resolve. suddenly, one of the servers handling the classroom has a ton of terminals back to old xserver and video issues. I notice a parse error in line 204. I look, it seems fine, it is just a [macaddress] line. But, it seems like none of the changes in lts.conf are being read after that error line. So, I cut that line out of the lts.conf and save, it gives me an error in line 205, so I # out line 205. I # out the entire next terminal record and it puts the error to line 210 which is the next mac address. I put my cursor in front of the line 210 and delete as to pop that line up and then hit enter again to move it down. I take line 211 and hit delete to back it up to end of line 210 and then hit enter again to move it down. Trying to eliminate any spaces, or whatever. Still no lock. I did a save as and saved the file as ltsnew.conf, then went in and did a rename to get this new file to become the new lts.conf. Yea grasping at straws, no luck. I guess at this point I will create a brand new file lts.conf and begin to cut and paste sections of my old lts.conf file into it. thoughts? Any significant event lately was a power outage during wind/storm earlier in the week. thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 5 22:06:10 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:06:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] copying data In-Reply-To: <56001.216.229.68.126.1128529559.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <49839.216.229.68.126.1128527487.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <1128528743.2763.82.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <56001.216.229.68.126.1128529559.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <1128549970.2763.533.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 11:25, Brandon Kovach wrote: > Thanks for the idea Les. However, I am new enough to Linux to not > understand rsync. Could that be the problem I am having now? How does > rsync work and what does it do? Rsync is like a smarter version of cp that only copies changes if files already exist on the target, and like scp can work over the network using ssh. It has about a million options, but usually you want to cd to the source directory and: rsync -essh -aHv . target_host:/target_path The -essh tells it to use ssh for the connection. If you run as root at both ends you don't need to specify a remote user, but you could if you wanted with the user at target_host notation. If you haven't set up ssh keys, you'll be prompted for the remote password. The -a means 'archive' which is the same as setting a lot of other options about preserving owner/attributes/timestamps, etc., plus it turns on recursion through subdirectories. -H means to duplicate hardlinks also. This isn't included in -a because it is a slow process if you have a lot of them to track. -v is verbose - you see the names as they are copied. . means the current directory is the source starting point, and using it eliminates any confusion about whether it will create an extra directory on the target. The last directory element of target_path will be created on the target_host if it doesn't already exist or used if it does. So, if you cd to /home and copy that to the other system's home it will take everything, including the invisible files whose names start with . that you may not want. If instead you cd to a user's home directory and rsync -essh -av * target_host:/home/user you'd only get the 'visible' files. But you have to repeat it for each user. The difference is that recursing from . takes invisible files while * expands to just the visible ones. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed Oct 5 21:21:19 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:21:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit K12ltsp based on 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <9bd317560510051333v7b03f42bi409972d88af0cadc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Peter, What is everyone else using for 64 bit in k12ltsp installs- Centos4 x86_64? If the python apps that don't work are all of the system-config-apps I would rather stick a 32 bit system on it... I'ld be happy to go with the flow! Jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm using Centos4 x86_64 and 4.2.1. FWIW, I would stick with what everyone else is using. Specifically I've had a lot of trouble with certain python apps. Also the k12ltsp-firefox. Not sure what the usage of FC4 x86_64 is but I think i may be the only one on the list using Centos4 x86_64. If you are bound an determined to go that way I'll tell you what I did to get things going. P On 10/5/05, Jim Christiansen wrote: >Hi Eric, > >I'm trying to install K12ltsp on our new twin 64 bit xenon box. I have >used >a FC-64 bit DVD iso for the install and have grabbed the K12 rpms listed >below from: > >ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.1/ > >I'm trying to follow the steps listed below but there is no GPG key to >import in the ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.1/RPMS/x86-64 >directory. > >Can I import one from the >ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.1/i386/ directory? > >I would like to use a Fedora Core 4 based OS if possible. > >Thanks for any help. > >Jim From staffords at glenburn.net Wed Oct 5 22:12:04 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 18:12:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Can lts.conf go corrupt? Followup In-Reply-To: References: <002c01c5c9cf$b6d82900$1a0f060a@winonacotter.org> <,> Message-ID: some success, I started a new file. cut and paste the help information at the top of the file. Restarted a client and no errors. But, of course I had none of my edits. So, I cut and pasted everything for clients from Library4 (a terminal) thru end of alphabet. Library 4 now works correctly, but a new error in line 233, again a Mac Address line. Looks the same to me as everyone other mac address line [00:40:F4:A5:9F:C3] I never really thought one parse error would mess up all your clients, but in the old lts.conf file it appeared to be doing just that. thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 22:21:05 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:21:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit K12ltsp based on 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560510051333v7b03f42bi409972d88af0cadc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560510051521p73622f3t32990422e55fc40e@mail.gmail.com> > > What is everyone else using for 64 bit in k12ltsp installs- Centos4 x86_64? I think most people have FC4 but I haven't taken an official poll. > > If the python apps that don't work are all of the system-config-apps I would > rather stick a 32 bit system on it... No No. Just some SOME python apps and firefox gave me trouble. We have an elementary school and so wanted Childsplay. It needed some 64-bit deps and a source install of pygame. Pykota which isn't part of k12ltsp, but quite usefull and popular, gave me a lot of trouble. All in all it was a good chunk of time getting it going. If you have that time, great. If you want to have the same problems eveyone on this list has so that you can find quick answers, use an OS that people here use. If you want to have problems that no one has and don't mind spending hours finding the answers yourself go with the lesser used OS. I definetely learned some things that hopefully I can share with others down the road, but if I had it all to do over I wouldn't have gone with Centos4 x86_64. Peter > > I'ld be happy to go with the flow! > > Jim > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I'm using Centos4 x86_64 and 4.2.1. FWIW, I would stick with what > everyone else is using. Specifically I've had a lot of trouble with > certain python apps. Also the k12ltsp-firefox. Not sure what the > usage of FC4 x86_64 is but I think i may be the only one on the list > using Centos4 x86_64. If you are bound an determined to go that way > I'll tell you what I did to get things going. > > P > > On 10/5/05, Jim Christiansen wrote: > >Hi Eric, > > > >I'm trying to install K12ltsp on our new twin 64 bit xenon box. I have > >used > >a FC-64 bit DVD iso for the install and have grabbed the K12 rpms listed > >below from: > > > >ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.1/ > > > >I'm trying to follow the steps listed below but there is no GPG key to > >import in the ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.1/RPMS/x86-64 > >directory. > > > >Can I import one from the > >ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.1/i386/ directory? > > > >I would like to use a Fedora Core 4 based OS if possible. > > > >Thanks for any help. > > > >Jim > > > From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Wed Oct 5 22:26:53 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:26:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit K12ltsp based on 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4344532D.3090005@saskforestcentre.ca> I'm also running a FC4/amd64 system with k12ltsp bolted on top. There is a bit of bother getting it going, and I turned of the gpg check to do the install of k21ltsp. There is a page on the wiki about all of this, and Eric has added more to it since the list message below. I have used the same procedure to get the CentOS install going on a 32-bit box. It was pretty smooth as a 32-bit system. The 64-bit version is a little rough, specifically with firefox plugins. I would go with the FC4 version though, if only for the OpenOffice 2. It's a significant improvement in file compatibility. I'm undecided about the 32/64 bit thing, though. I like using all the power I can get, but I also don't like having to fuss with my systems. The 64 bit install is more of a fuss, expecially the firefox plugin scene. If that's unimportant, the 64 bit system is marginally faster, nominally, but I can't really tell the difference between the CentOS/32 and the FC4/64 when it comes to running things. There are other limitations that overwhelm the processor speed for most tasks. Angus Carr. Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hello Peter, > > What is everyone else using for 64 bit in k12ltsp installs- Centos4 > x86_64? > > If the python apps that don't work are all of the system-config-apps I > would rather stick a 32 bit system on it... > > I'ld be happy to go with the flow! > > Jim > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I'm using Centos4 x86_64 and 4.2.1. FWIW, I would stick with what > everyone else is using. Specifically I've had a lot of trouble with > certain python apps. Also the k12ltsp-firefox. Not sure what the > usage of FC4 x86_64 is but I think i may be the only one on the list > using Centos4 x86_64. If you are bound an determined to go that way > I'll tell you what I did to get things going. > > P > > On 10/5/05, Jim Christiansen wrote: > >> Hi Eric, >> >> I'm trying to install K12ltsp on our new twin 64 bit xenon box. I >> have used >> a FC-64 bit DVD iso for the install and have grabbed the K12 rpms listed >> below from: >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.1/ >> >> I'm trying to follow the steps listed below but there is no GPG key to >> import in the >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.1/RPMS/x86-64 >> directory. >> >> Can I import one from the >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.1/i386/ directory? >> >> I would like to use a Fedora Core 4 based OS if possible. >> >> Thanks for any help. >> >> Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 22:35:44 2005 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:35:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Eduportal replacement In-Reply-To: <20051004020318.E760FCD9F6@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20051004020318.E760FCD9F6@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: On 10/3/05, Patrick Haggood wrote: > I have used Manhattan (manhattan.sourceforge.org) and have just started looking at Moodle (www.moodle.org) which a vendor at last Saturday's Ohio Linux fest gushed over. I just submitted my proposal today to do a Technology Workshop on installing and using Moodle at the Ohio State Technology Conference in Feb/06. If it get accepted I'll let the listserv know, just in case anyone is interested on going to the conference. -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ Education Blog - http://ryancollins.org/ From gKw-X at shaw.ca Wed Oct 5 22:35:59 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:35:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Client reboots Message-ID: <12678012d1fa.12d1fa126780@shaw.ca> I have a client with an eepro card (the same as all my other machines - which boot fine). It loads up, connects to the server, goes through all the loading stuff, then says something about IRQ (I THINK) just before magically rebooting. Why would it just reboot? Any ideas? Also if anyone has an idea about my previous email - about the 3c509 card - I would hugely appreciate it. I'm stumped. Thanks! From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 5 22:38:55 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:38:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Can lts.conf go corrupt? In-Reply-To: References: <002c01c5c9cf$b6d82900$1a0f060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1128551935.2763.572.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 16:59, Shane Stafford wrote: > suddenly, one of the servers handling the classroom has a ton of terminals > back to old xserver and video issues. > I notice a parse error in line 204. I look, it seems fine, it is just a > [macaddress] line. But, it seems like none of the changes in lts.conf > are being read after that error line. > > So, I cut that line out of the lts.conf and save, it gives me an error in > line 205, so I # out line 205. > I # out the entire next terminal record and it puts the error to line 210 > which is the next mac address. Somethings things like this are mismatched quotes/braces/parens somewhere before the point where the error is reported. Look backwards to see if a closing quote or something is missing. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gKw-X at shaw.ca Wed Oct 5 22:44:35 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:44:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Client reboots Message-ID: <12e28a1300a1.1300a112e28a@shaw.ca> Never mind about the 3c509 problem I fixed it. Now I'm just stuck with the eepro machine that just keeps rebooting... ----- Original Message ----- From: NONE NONE Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 3:35 pm Subject: [K12OSN] Client reboots > I have a client with an eepro card (the same as all my other > machines - which boot fine). It loads up, connects to the server, > goes through all the loading stuff, then says something about IRQ > (I THINK) just before magically rebooting. Why would it just > reboot? Any ideas? > > Also if anyone has an idea about my previous email - about the > 3c509 card - I would hugely appreciate it. I'm stumped. > > Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 00:04:05 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (The Prof) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:04:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Can lts.conf go corrupt? In-Reply-To: References: <002c01c5c9cf$b6d82900$1a0f060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On 10/5/05, Shane Stafford wrote: > I did a save as and saved the file as ltsnew.conf, then went in and did a > rename to get this new file to become the new lts.conf. Yea grasping at > straws, no luck. > > I guess at this point I will create a brand new file lts.conf and begin to > cut and paste sections of my old lts.conf file into it. > > thoughts? Any significant event lately was a power outage during > wind/storm earlier in the week. Nearly the exact same thing happened. Power outage, server goes down. Restart, lts.conf was not responding no matter what I did. Had to wipe the file and recreate it if I remember correctly to get it to work. Joseph From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Oct 6 00:39:21 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:39:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Can lts.conf go corrupt? In-Reply-To: References: <002c01c5c9cf$b6d82900$1a0f060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <43447239.3090203@paasda.org> that's what BackupPC is for! Right Les?? ;) --Huck The Prof wrote: > On 10/5/05, Shane Stafford wrote: > >>I did a save as and saved the file as ltsnew.conf, then went in and did a >>rename to get this new file to become the new lts.conf. Yea grasping at >>straws, no luck. >> >>I guess at this point I will create a brand new file lts.conf and begin to >>cut and paste sections of my old lts.conf file into it. >> >>thoughts? Any significant event lately was a power outage during >>wind/storm earlier in the week. > > > Nearly the exact same thing happened. Power outage, server goes down. > Restart, lts.conf was not responding no matter what I did. Had to > wipe the file and recreate it if I remember correctly to get it to > work. > > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From les at futuresource.com Thu Oct 6 01:22:15 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:22:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Can lts.conf go corrupt? In-Reply-To: <43447239.3090203@paasda.org> References: <002c01c5c9cf$b6d82900$1a0f060a@winonacotter.org> <43447239.3090203@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1128561735.25550.28.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 19:39, Huck wrote: > that's what BackupPC is for! > Right Les?? ;) > > --Huck Yes, it has been a while since I mentioned it: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ Toss a big IDE drive on a Linux box that doesn't have much else to do at night and you'll be able to grab yesterday's, or last week's copy of any file back with a web browser. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From veewee77 at alltel.net Thu Oct 6 03:25:31 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 22:25:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] copying data In-Reply-To: <49839.216.229.68.126.1128527487.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <49839.216.229.68.126.1128527487.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <4344992B.1020108@alltel.net> Brandon Kovach wrote: >Hello all, > >I've a server issue and I don't know what it is. I am reinstalling a >server that has been a slave for the last few weeks to try and fix/locate >what the problem is. So ... > >Let's say that this fixes the problem. I know how to copy users to this >new box. However, is there a way to copy data from home directories? I >don't want to copy user settings or anything like that. I want those to >be all new. I only want to copy .docs and things. > >Ideas? > >Bk > > > > > The way I do this is to copy /home to the new box, copy /etc/passwd. /etc/shadow, /etc/group to a directory on the new box. Then edit the new box's passwd, shadow and group files and add in the users (only users, not system accounts!!!!!!!!) with copy and paste. (make backups of the original new box's passwd, shadow, and group files!!!) Doug Be careful, to make sure the user and group ID's do not overlap between the two files. From jam at mcquil.com Thu Oct 6 05:32:40 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Can lts.conf go corrupt? In-Reply-To: References: <002c01c5c9cf$b6d82900$1a0f060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Shane, Seems like it would help an awful lot, if you'd attach a copy of that lts.conf file, so we can take a look at it. Don't forget one of the cardinal rules of open source: Given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Shane Stafford wrote: > odd issue > > We have a good number of edits for older equipment in our Classroom Server > lts.conf file. > We were doing great. over 150 terminals out there and only 5 giving us > issues to resolve. > > suddenly, one of the servers handling the classroom has a ton of terminals > back to old xserver and video issues. > I notice a parse error in line 204. I look, it seems fine, it is just a > [macaddress] line. But, it seems like none of the changes in lts.conf > are being read after that error line. > > So, I cut that line out of the lts.conf and save, it gives me an error in > line 205, so I # out line 205. > I # out the entire next terminal record and it puts the error to line 210 > which is the next mac address. > > I put my cursor in front of the line 210 and delete as to pop that line up > and then hit enter again to move it down. > I take line 211 and hit delete to back it up to end of line 210 and then > hit enter again to move it down. Trying to eliminate any spaces, or > whatever. Still no lock. > > I did a save as and saved the file as ltsnew.conf, then went in and did a > rename to get this new file to become the new lts.conf. Yea grasping at > straws, no luck. > > I guess at this point I will create a brand new file lts.conf and begin to > cut and paste sections of my old lts.conf file into it. > > thoughts? Any significant event lately was a power outage during > wind/storm earlier in the week. > > thanks > Shane > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > S & B Consulting > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From staffords at glenburn.net Thu Oct 6 12:26:48 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Can lts.conf go corrupt? In-Reply-To: References: <002c01c5c9cf$b6d82900$1a0f060a@winonacotter.org> < > Message-ID: thanks for the assistance on this. Always good to hear confirmation of what I thought may be going on. The power outage from the wind storm also took out our printer settings. Had to recreate the printer. here is the file if someone else can find any other helpful information. At this point we are recreating the file and it appears to be working. thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ltsold.conf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 15837 bytes Desc: not available URL: From petre at maltzen.net Thu Oct 6 13:10:26 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:10:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 3c509 won't boot In-Reply-To: <10ee1a10e4b2.10e4b210ee1a@shaw.ca> References: <10ee1a10e4b2.10e4b210ee1a@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <43452242.9020401@maltzen.net> For ISA ethernet cards I think you may have to add option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; to the client stanza in your dhcpd.conf. I've got one workstation with a 3c509 and my dhcpd.conf looks like this: host wendolene { hardware ethernet 00:20:AF:14:DB:0B; fixed-address 172.26.18.5; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=3c509 MOPTS=nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048"; Note that the 'e4:45:74:68:00:00' part of the option-128 line is not a MAC address and therefore you should not change it. I had to add the MOPTS part to the last line because, being a 10Mbit card, it was having trouble at the pivot-root stage. See the LTSP wiki page on ISA cards at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NetworkCards#ISA_Network_Interface_Cards and the page on MOPTS at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS for more info. Petre NONE NONE wrote: > Ok I'm back at it today... I have three computers with a 3com card, the 3c509. I made the rom-o-matic boot disk and they load it fine, and connect, and start with the boot process, but then they die with "kernel panic: attempted to kill init". > > The message says could not automatically detect the network card, etc etc, if it's an ISA card add NIC= parameter in option-129 to /etc/dhcpd.conf > > So I think I've done this, I copy/pasted one of the entries and changed the MAC address to that of the computer that won't load: > > host ws008 { > hardware ethernet 00:60:08:9D:B5:1C; > option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; > } > > However, it still won't load, it gives the same error. Help! One other thing, it says in dhcpd.conf: > > # Don't forget to set run_dhcpd=1 in /etc/init.d/dhcpd > # once you adjusted this file and copied it to /etc/dhcpd.conf. > > Which I didn't do... But I initially left out a semicolon, and then nothing would boot, until I put it back, and now everything else boots like normal again, so it must be loading these settings... > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Oct 6 13:29:07 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:29:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Simple RSYNC question In-Reply-To: <1128548579.2763.488.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <001c01c5ca79$edafc460$7e10060a@winonacotter.org> > One trick is to add -n to the options which will make rsync > not really do anything, but if you are also using -v it will show > you what would happen in a real run. If everything looks > reasonable, then run it again without the -n to really do it. > When I build new servers I usually set the new one up with a > different name/ip address and rsync most stuff over ahead of > the switch and check that things generally work. Then at the > last minute I shut down services on the old server, do a > final rsync of user data like /home and /var/spool/mail with > the --delete option on. This goes quickly unless there are a > lot of changes. Then I change the names and IP numbers on > both servers and reboot so in a few minutes more than a > reboot, the new box takes over. Thanks for the extra tips Les. I might give it a go close of business today. Keeping my fingers crossed :-) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: 10/5/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Thu Oct 6 13:41:46 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Can lts.conf go corrupt? Followup In-Reply-To: References: <002c01c5c9cf$b6d82900$1a0f060a@winonacotter.org> <,> Message-ID: Shane, Ok, now that I have the lts.conf file, spotting the problem was simple. With your file, I got an error at line 210. So, I scanned backwards through the file, and the problem is at line 202. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 200 [00:04:5A:78:E4:AC] 201 X_MODE_0 = 640x480 25.175 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 202 -hsync -vsync 203 #[Alexander #3] 203 #[Alexander #4] 205 #[00:0C:41:26:D3:9C] 206 #X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" 207 #X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" 208 #X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 2 209 #[Babcock S] 210 [00:04:5A:78:E4:BD] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's dying at line 210, because it hit something that it didn't expect. If you look at line 202, you can see it's a problem. 202 is actually a continuation of line 201. The '-hsync -vsync' should have been on the end of line 201. Entries cannot span lines in lts.conf !!! I moved my cursor up to line 201 (in vim), and pressed Shift-J, to join line 202 to the end of 201, and guess what.... It no longer fails at line 210 !!! But, it fails at line 340 for the very same reason. If fix that problem, and it fails at line 349, again, the same reason. Once I fixed the problem at 349, it works fine. So, here's my chance to rant just a bit. I can't stress enough, how important it is to keep these config files neat and tidy. That lts.conf file you sent is nearly impossible for a human to read. you seem to have a fear of blank lines. Put some blanks in there, spread it out a bit, that will make it much easier to spot problems. Here's a snippet from your lts.conf file: 198 #[Alexander #1] 199 #[Alexander #2] 200 [00:04:5A:78:E4:AC] 201 X_MODE_0 = 640x480 25.175 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 202 -hsync -vsync 203 #[Alexander #3] 204 #[Alexander #4] 205 #[00:0C:41:26:D3:9C] 206 #X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" 207 #X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" 208 #X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 2 209 #[Babcock S] 210 [00:04:5A:78:E4:BD] 211 _MODE_0 = 800x600 at 60 38.21 800 832 976 1008 600 612 618 631 212 X_MODE_0 = 800x600 at 60 38.21 800 832 976 1008 600 612 618 631 213 XSERVER = XF86_SVGA 214 #[Berry J #1] 215 [00:40:F4:B1:65:C0] 216 X_MODE_0 = 800x600 at 60 38.21 800 832 976 1008 600 612 618 631 217 #[Berry J #2] I've already discussed the problem with lines 201-202. But, look at line 211. What's that? _MODE_0 isn't a variable used by ltsp. here's what the same code looks like, cleaned up: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 198 #[Alexander #1] 199 200 #[Alexander #2] 201 202 [00:04:5A:78:E4:AC] 203 X_MODE_0 = 640x480 25.175 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync 204 205 #[Alexander #3] 206 207 #[Alexander #4] 208 209 #[00:0C:41:26:D3:9C] 210 # X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" 211 # X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" 212 # X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 2 213 214 #[Babcock S] 215 216 [00:04:5A:78:E4:BD] 217 X_MODE_0 = 800x600 at 60 38.21 800 832 976 1008 600 612 618 631 218 XSERVER = XF86_SVGA 219 220 #[Berry J #1] 221 222 [00:40:F4:B1:65:C0] 223 X_MODE_0 = 800x600 at 60 38.21 800 832 976 1008 600 612 618 631 224 225 #[Berry J #2] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The first thing I notice about the cleaned up example is that line 203 extends longer than 80 characters. But, it's still all one line in the file. Each terminal is separated by blank lines, and you can tell the difference between active entries, and commented entries. So, my advice is clean up that file. make it easier for a human to read it, and errors will be easier to spot. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Shane Stafford wrote: > some success, I started a new file. > cut and paste the help information at the top of the file. Restarted a > client and no errors. But, of course I had none of my edits. > > So, I cut and pasted everything for clients from Library4 (a terminal) > thru end of alphabet. > Library 4 now works correctly, but a new error in line 233, again a Mac > Address line. > Looks the same to me as everyone other mac address line > [00:40:F4:A5:9F:C3] > > I never really thought one parse error would mess up all your clients, but > in the old lts.conf file it appeared to be doing just that. > > thanks > Shane > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > S & B Consulting > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From staffords at glenburn.net Thu Oct 6 14:26:00 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:26:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ongoing learning for new LTSP administrators -- was lts.conf going corrupt In-Reply-To: References: <002c01c5c9cf$b6d82900$1a0f060a@winonacotter.org> <,> < > < > Message-ID: Thanks to Jim for taking the time to look at that file and teach me a couple things. Couple of comments. I didn't know spaces were fair game. Also, it's odd how that line of code covered two lines, I used the same copy/paste method for edits in many situations and don't get that line carrying over two lines. anyway, that said, I appreciate the comments and learning that resulted from you taking the time to look at that file. Now, changing the thread. I have often said that K12 LTSP "is just too easy", it just works. I will admit to having a Microsoft centric background and when we learned about this about 3 years ago, it was amazing, we installed the K12 LTSP on a server, purchased 80 workstations at $22 each from Maine State surplus, and 80 network cards from Disklessworkstations and went to town. It was too easy, it just worked. We now have 4 servers running with around 166 terminals in grades K-6 and have achieved a 2 students to 1 computer ratio in grades K-6. Our lab/computer instructor has taught with K12 LTSP for two years now and is doing amazing things. So, I consider us very successful. But, we still have so much to learn. I have at least 5-6 schools in this area that are implementing, or looking at implementing K12 LTSP. It works! So, the question is what is the best method for training new and continuing LTSP administrators. We are using Moodle for teacher training, maybe that is the best way to go for LTSP training. David Trask's NELs conference is amazing, but the NELs Moodle site could have been utilized more. Maybe we revisit that, or I have discussed setting up one with the local folks in this area. At present that is what I am setting up for the local folks, but maybe there are others that want in. I know the Wiki exists and maybe that is the best source of education, but it seems to be there is always something valuable in online learning that could be incorporated also. Just some thoughts. Thanks again to Jim and others on the list that continue to educate us. thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From gideon at symbio-technologies.com Thu Oct 6 13:54:33 2005 From: gideon at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:54:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] nxfree + xfce In-Reply-To: <4342A881.800@floresinternacional.cl> References: <4342A881.800@floresinternacional.cl> Message-ID: <1128606742.6337.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Roberto- If I recall correctly, you should be able to just do this (without modification of the original script): SCREEN_01 = "startnx -p /path/to/xfce/on/server" And replace the /path/to/xfce/on/server with, well, the path to the xfce desktop binary on the server. HTH, -Gideon On Tue, 2005-10-04 at 12:06 -0400, Roberto Leiva M. wrote: > I use to ltsp 4.1 + freenx > > when I connect to KDE or GNOME don't have problem, > but when i try to connect with XFCE, the Desktop isn't view in full screen mode. > > ** lts.conf > SCREEN_01 = startnx > > and modify script /usr/bin/startnx > > NX_DESKTOP=`get_cfg NX_DESKTOP KDE` <-- to connect KDE > or > NX_DESKTOP=`get_cfg NX_DESKTOP GNOME` <-- to connect GNOME > or > NX_DESKTOP=`get_cfg NX_DESKTOP startxfce4` <-- to connect XFce4 > > any help ? > > > note: when i connect with normal script : > SCREEN_01 = startx ( XDMCP ) > I don't have problem with any Desktop > > regards. > > -- > Roberto Leiva M. > Santiago - Chile > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: > Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, > and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl > _____________________________________________________________________ > Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss > For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net > > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com From rmccue at law.uvic.ca Thu Oct 6 15:59:45 2005 From: rmccue at law.uvic.ca (Rich McCue) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:59:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Simple RSYNC question In-Reply-To: <001c01c5ca79$edafc460$7e10060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20051006085945843.00000004364@wally> I'm sure I'm just missing a setting or something, but when I rsync data from one server to another all the files on the destination server are owned by the user that ran rsync. For example I have a server with a backup tape attached to it, and I run rsync from that machine to two other servers to get their data to the backup server. This works great, except for the file ownership thing... everything is owned by root after it gets to the backup server. Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Rich -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 6:29 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Simple RSYNC question > One trick is to add -n to the options which will make rsync > not really do anything, but if you are also using -v it will show > you what would happen in a real run. If everything looks > reasonable, then run it again without the -n to really do it. > When I build new servers I usually set the new one up with a > different name/ip address and rsync most stuff over ahead of > the switch and check that things generally work. Then at the > last minute I shut down services on the old server, do a > final rsync of user data like /home and /var/spool/mail with > the --delete option on. This goes quickly unless there are a > lot of changes. Then I change the names and IP numbers on > both servers and reboot so in a few minutes more than a > reboot, the new box takes over. Thanks for the extra tips Les. I might give it a go close of business today. Keeping my fingers crossed :-) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: 10/5/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From bkovach at logrog.net Thu Oct 6 16:19:07 2005 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:19:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Herding Cats Message-ID: <58814.216.229.68.126.1128615547.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> We have 2 servers. Version 4.2.0. Both of them. One of them housed (past tense) home directories for both servers. Students are finding the workstations freeze when they have open office and firefox open at the same time. I thought it was a network issue. I have eliminated that possibility. I thought I may have a server hardware problem. I have eliminated that possiblity as well. Any ideas? I would like to run Firefox and OO as a local app. I don't know how to do this and don't know if it's a good idea. Any help or ideas? BK -- Life is a race. Don't lose. From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 6 16:53:14 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Simple RSYNC question In-Reply-To: <20051006085945843.00000004364@wally> Message-ID: <20051006165315.81152.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Are you using the -a option? That is supposed to preserve permissions, among other things. If you don't want to use -a for some reason, you can specify -p to preserve permissions. But generally I think -a is used because it preserves time stamps, group, owner, permissions, links, etc., as well as recursing down into the directory structure. -Rob --- Rich McCue wrote: > I'm sure I'm just missing a setting or something, > but when I rsync data from one server to another all > the files on the destination server are owned by the > user that ran rsync. > > For example I have a server with a backup tape > attached to it, and I run rsync from that machine to > two other servers to get their data to the backup > server. This works great, except for the file > ownership thing... everything is owned by root after > it gets to the backup server. > > Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Kronebusch > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 6:29 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Simple RSYNC question > > > One trick is to add -n to the options which will > make rsync > > not really do anything, but if you are also using > -v it will show > > you what would happen in a real run. If > everything looks > > reasonable, then run it again without the -n to > really do it. > > When I build new servers I usually set the new one > up with a > > different name/ip address and rsync most stuff > over ahead of > > the switch and check that things generally work. > Then at the > > last minute I shut down services on the old > server, do a > > final rsync of user data like /home and > /var/spool/mail with > > the --delete option on. This goes quickly unless > there are a > > lot of changes. Then I change the names and IP > numbers on > > both servers and reboot so in a few minutes more > than a > > reboot, the new box takes over. > > Thanks for the extra tips Les. I might give it a go > close of business > today. Keeping my fingers crossed :-) > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - > Release Date: > 10/5/2005 > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From bill.bardon at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 17:01:51 2005 From: bill.bardon at gmail.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:01:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Simple RSYNC question In-Reply-To: <20051006085945843.00000004364@wally> References: <001c01c5ca79$edafc460$7e10060a@winonacotter.org> <20051006085945843.00000004364@wally> Message-ID: <20051006120151.77756caf@localhost.localdomain> On Thursday, Oct 06 Rich McCue wrote: > I'm sure I'm just missing a setting or something, but when I rsync > data from one server to another all the files on the destination > server are owned by the user that ran rsync. This normally what you would want, except in the special case of root. If user Bill rsyncs from one machine to another, the files on the target machine should be owned by Bill. > For example I have a server with a backup tape attached to it, and I > run rsync from that machine to two other servers to get their data to > the backup server. This works great, except for the file ownership > thing... everything is owned by root after it gets to the backup > server. For backups, you run rsync as root and connect to the source as root, so all the files are owned by root by default. Run rsync with the -a parameter to turn on all the archive options, and then file ownerships will be preserved. Only root can use -a (or -o) successfully, as only the root user has access to set file permissions system-wide. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Thu Oct 6 17:27:04 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:27:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Record Software Message-ID: <200510061831.j96IVo1m002390@mx1.redhat.com> I am doing some volunteer work for the school my son attends. It's a Small private elementary school. They have asked me to recommend a Student Record Program that will be able to maintain student information, print attendance reports, Grades in session (progress reports then final grades) and so on, I would like to know what you'll are using in your school Open Source or not is fine. Thank you for your input. --mark From gkw-x at shaw.ca Thu Oct 6 18:47:53 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 11:47:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 3c509 won't boot In-Reply-To: <43452242.9020401@maltzen.net> References: <10ee1a10e4b2.10e4b210ee1a@shaw.ca> <43452242.9020401@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43457159.9050306@shaw.ca> Thanks for the response! I managed to get it working. I'm proud to say that I got every single computer in that lab booting, with the resolution optimized individually for each screen... Now if I can just get the foppies/cdroms working :( Petre Scheie wrote: > For ISA ethernet cards I think you may have to add > > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > > to the client stanza in your dhcpd.conf. I've got one workstation with > a 3c509 and my dhcpd.conf looks like this: > > host wendolene { > hardware ethernet 00:20:AF:14:DB:0B; > fixed-address 172.26.18.5; > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > option option-129 "NIC=3c509 > MOPTS=nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048"; > > Note that the 'e4:45:74:68:00:00' part of the option-128 line is not a > MAC address and therefore you should not change it. I had to add the > MOPTS part to the last line because, being a 10Mbit card, it was having > trouble at the pivot-root stage. See the LTSP wiki page on ISA cards at > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NetworkCards#ISA_Network_Interface_Cards > and the page on MOPTS at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS > for more info. > > Petre > > NONE NONE wrote: > >> Ok I'm back at it today... I have three computers with a 3com card, >> the 3c509. I made the rom-o-matic boot disk and they load it fine, and >> connect, and start with the boot process, but then they die with >> "kernel panic: attempted to kill init". >> >> The message says could not automatically detect the network card, etc >> etc, if it's an ISA card add NIC= parameter in option-129 to >> /etc/dhcpd.conf >> >> So I think I've done this, I copy/pasted one of the entries and >> changed the MAC address to that of the computer that won't load: >> >> host ws008 { >> hardware ethernet 00:60:08:9D:B5:1C; >> option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; >> } >> >> However, it still won't load, it gives the same error. Help! One other >> thing, it says in dhcpd.conf: >> >> # Don't forget to set run_dhcpd=1 in /etc/init.d/dhcpd >> # once you adjusted this file and copied it to /etc/dhcpd.conf. >> >> Which I didn't do... But I initially left out a semicolon, and then >> nothing would boot, until I put it back, and now everything else boots >> like normal again, so it must be loading these settings... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From rmccue at law.uvic.ca Thu Oct 6 18:46:42 2005 From: rmccue at law.uvic.ca (Rich McCue) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:46:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Simple RSYNC question In-Reply-To: <20051006165315.81152.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051006114642562.00000004364@wally> Perfect! That did the trick. I was using the --perms (or permissions) flag, but it didn't do the trick like the --archive flag. Thanks. Rich -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rob Owens Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 9:53 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Simple RSYNC question Are you using the -a option? That is supposed to preserve permissions, among other things. If you don't want to use -a for some reason, you can specify -p to preserve permissions. But generally I think -a is used because it preserves time stamps, group, owner, permissions, links, etc., as well as recursing down into the directory structure. -Rob --- Rich McCue wrote: > I'm sure I'm just missing a setting or something, > but when I rsync data from one server to another all > the files on the destination server are owned by the > user that ran rsync. > > For example I have a server with a backup tape > attached to it, and I run rsync from that machine to > two other servers to get their data to the backup > server. This works great, except for the file > ownership thing... everything is owned by root after > it gets to the backup server. > > Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. > > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Kronebusch > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 6:29 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Simple RSYNC question > > > One trick is to add -n to the options which will > make rsync > > not really do anything, but if you are also using > -v it will show > > you what would happen in a real run. If > everything looks > > reasonable, then run it again without the -n to > really do it. > > When I build new servers I usually set the new one > up with a > > different name/ip address and rsync most stuff > over ahead of > > the switch and check that things generally work. > Then at the > > last minute I shut down services on the old > server, do a > > final rsync of user data like /home and > /var/spool/mail with > > the --delete option on. This goes quickly unless > there are a > > lot of changes. Then I change the names and IP > numbers on > > both servers and reboot so in a few minutes more > than a > > reboot, the new box takes over. > > Thanks for the extra tips Les. I might give it a go > close of business > today. Keeping my fingers crossed :-) > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - > Release Date: > 10/5/2005 > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Thu Oct 6 19:00:17 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:00:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Record Software In-Reply-To: <200510061831.j96IVo1m002390@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200510061853.j96Ir5307017@www.mi-spot.com> I've always thought OpenAdmin looked like an awesome open source product (http://richtech.ca/openadmin/). I've offered this alternative (free) to Apple's Powerschool ($100K+) which we currently use, and they'd only need to pay me half the difference between the two products for saving the district so much money. They seem to prefrer to spend the money before it went bad or something like that. Eric -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sarria Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 12:27 PM To: K12OSN at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Student Record Software I am doing some volunteer work for the school my son attends. It's a Small private elementary school. They have asked me to recommend a Student Record Program that will be able to maintain student information, print attendance reports, Grades in session (progress reports then final grades) and so on, I would like to know what you'll are using in your school Open Source or not is fine. Thank you for your input. --mark _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From lighthumor at hotmail.com Thu Oct 6 20:10:41 2005 From: lighthumor at hotmail.com (light being) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:10:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nx / nxserver / freenx - with games, video In-Reply-To: <200510061853.j96Ir5307017@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: Has anyone tried nx/freenx/nxserver to see how much it helps with the bandwidth, if it?s enough to get a game, for example, running on a 100mb/s network? From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Oct 6 19:54:48 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:54:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit K12ltsp based on 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <4344532D.3090005@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: Hi Angus and Peter, Thanks for the info. With that encouragement I went ahead and got Firefox working with Java, Flash and AcroRead7. No troubles. I didn't stop the GPG key check- I didn't seem to have to. I found some slightly different instructions on the k12 wiki. It is nice to be using OO 2, and the 64 bit OS using FC4. I installed: yum list k12* k12ltsp-backgrounds.noarch 4.4.0-0 installed k12ltsp-core.noarch 4.4.0-2 installed k12ltsp-release.noarch 4.4.1-1 installed k12ltsp-scripts.noarch 0.0.1-0.4.2 installed k12ltsp-utils.noarch 4.4.0-1 installed I haven't tried to attach a client to it yet... Do I have all of the required k12 packages? I couldn't get the k12ltsp-education.noarch installed because of too many dependency issues. Jim From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 21:11:51 2005 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:11:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Record Software In-Reply-To: <200510061831.j96IVo1m002390@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200510061831.j96IVo1m002390@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: On 10/6/05, Mark Sarria wrote: > I am doing some volunteer work for the school my son attends. It's a Small > private elementary school. They have asked me to recommend a Student Record > Program that will be able to maintain student information, print attendance > reports, Grades in session (progress reports then final grades) and so on, I > would like to know what you'll are using in your school Open Source or not > is fine. Centre (http://miller-group.net/) was mentioned at one time. It looks like it can do all that and more! -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ Education Blog - http://ryancollins.org/ From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Thu Oct 6 21:40:54 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:40:54 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Record Software In-Reply-To: <200510061831.j96IVo1m002390@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200510061831.j96IVo1m002390@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20051007074054.7qs9252xu1w0k0gw@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Quoting Mark Sarria : > I am doing some volunteer work for the school my son attends. It's a Small > private elementary school. They have asked me to recommend a Student Record > Program that will be able to maintain student information, print attendance > reports, Grades in session (progress reports then final grades) and so on, I > would like to know what you'll are using in your school Open Source or not > is fine. > We're a private primary school in Queensland Australia using a system of 'outcomes' instead of grades so I've built our own 'Reporting Outcomes Database' using PHP and PhpMyEdit. http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/RODney/students.php and http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/RODney/help/assessing-students.pdf On the main page you have four options where you can #1 add, view, edit students and their notes, #2 view and search for specific outcomes in each Key Learning Area (more of a teacher's tool), #3 assess students in KLAs and behaviour, #4 generate reports. We used it for the first time last year and it's still developing. I'm not suggesting you use it though, I'm saying that if you can't find what you're looking for maybe you could make it yourself? Good luck in your search. Best regards, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au From wescott at sc.rr.com Thu Oct 6 22:08:19 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:08:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Client reboots In-Reply-To: <12678012d1fa.12d1fa126780@shaw.ca> References: <12678012d1fa.12d1fa126780@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1128636499.812.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 15:35 -0700, NONE NONE wrote: > I have a client with an eepro card (the same as all my other machines - which boot > fine). It loads up, connects to the server, goes through all the loading stuff, > then says something about IRQ (I THINK) just before magically rebooting. Why would > it just reboot? Any ideas? Compare the BIOS settings with one that works. Especially PCI, plug-n-play, IRQ reservations and memory reservations. From ramonklown at pop.com.br Thu Oct 6 22:25:24 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:25:24 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] nx / nxserver / freenx - with games, video In-Reply-To: References: <200510061853.j96Ir5307017@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <32872.201.50.45.87.1128637524.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> What game? and how much bandwidth? Yes that can be accomplished, but I won't recommend is for getting a lan running under nx. It's enough to get a couple of people connected, but it wasen't designed with that purpose. Peace > Has anyone tried nx/freenx/nxserver to see how much it helps with the > bandwidth, if it?s enough to get a game, for example, running on a 100mb/s > network? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Thu Oct 6 22:47:42 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:47:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit K12ltsp based on 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4345A98E.4080504@saskforestcentre.ca> Yes - there's a wierd dependency with python-reportlab. Install the FC4 version (--disable-repo=k12ltsp , or something like that) and then try the install of k12ltsp-education again. On the firefox/flash thing, did you install the 32-bit firefox? Which page on the wiki did you use? If it's the one I pasted in there as a placeholder to try myself, did it work without hitches? By the way, I haven't actually tried to get the 32-bit firefox going yet - I'm still wrestling with issues with repository dependency hell. Angus. Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hi Angus and Peter, > > Thanks for the info. With that encouragement I went ahead and got > Firefox working with Java, Flash and AcroRead7. No troubles. I > didn't stop the GPG key check- I didn't seem to have to. I found some > slightly different instructions on the k12 wiki. > > It is nice to be using OO 2, and the 64 bit OS using FC4. > > I installed: yum list k12* > > k12ltsp-backgrounds.noarch 4.4.0-0 installed > k12ltsp-core.noarch 4.4.0-2 installed > k12ltsp-release.noarch 4.4.1-1 installed > k12ltsp-scripts.noarch 0.0.1-0.4.2 installed > k12ltsp-utils.noarch 4.4.0-1 installed > > I haven't tried to attach a client to it yet... Do I have all of the > required k12 packages? I couldn't get the k12ltsp-education.noarch > installed because of too many dependency issues. > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Oct 6 23:20:00 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:20:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit K12ltsp based on 4.4.1 with 10 duplicate packages from i386 In-Reply-To: <4345A98E.4080504@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: Hi Angus, Here is the link that I found http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/AMD64%20Installation I have two 64 bit Xenons, but just don't tell anyone! I removed the 64 bit Firefox and then got rid of the arcoread 5.10, then added fron Adobe Acroread7 and used their install plugin .sh file. Worked great. The Java came from: http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp Again- no probs. Flash, too. I followed the instructions from: http://fedoranews.org/mediawiki/index.php/Fedora_Core_4_Linux_Installation_Notes This page is great and really helps FC4 shine quickly after an install as a full-blown setup. I grabbed the TrueType rpm while I was at it. I yum updated but had a lot of messed up and duplicated packages from i386 and the 64 repo. I then removed the k12 repos from yum and did another yum update and had a ton of dependency problems due to pilot-link or something like that. I removed it and it took with it kdevelop and little else- no problem. I have refrained from doing the yum update still, because maybe 10 duplicate packages from i386 and 64 still exist, but maybe these are needed for 32 bit compatibility- i don't know. *********** I'll wait for what you have to say and hope some others will pipe in here! *********** I'm sure the k12 will initialize fine and I have a working system... Cool. Let's keep in touch about this 64 bit thing. Jim From wescott at sc.rr.com Thu Oct 6 23:36:21 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 19:36:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] iptraf - ip checksum errors? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1128641781.1273.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 11:44 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Having recently discovered iptraf I found "ip checksum errors" being > generated at around 1000/sec when a full class is using the lab. > > Any idea how to track down this problem? Is there any way to find out > which clients are reporting bad packets? My first inclination would be to use ethereal to collect a few seconds of traffic and then scan it for checksum errors. The IP address or ethernet address would then identify the offending machine. If there are alot of culprits then the server's NIC or the switch might be at fault. From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Oct 7 00:29:02 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:29:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Laptop thin client won't start completely Message-ID: <4345C14E.8070006@elp.rr.com> I have a Dell Inspiron 6000 laptop that has a built in Intel PCI NIC. The BIOS for the NIC is PXE version 2.1. The server is running K12LTSP 4.4.1 The boot up goes past the un compressing Linux and starts loading services. At this point I get an error message that indicates that the server cannot identify the NIC and seems to think it is an ISA NIC. The next line is the Kernel panic- attempted to kill init. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I go about fixing this problem? Thanks Pat From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Oct 7 01:38:19 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 21:38:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Very cool things happening at my school Message-ID: Hi all, Time for a report on what's happening here at VCS with my K12LTSP setup. (PS...for those of you in Maine...I'll be doing a hands-on session at MaineEd next week on setting up your own K12LTSP server...K-12 Linux Terminal Server Project) As many of you already know...I have moved to a dual server setup with dhcp failover/load-balancing. I also continue to run Samba/LDAP for authentication and housing of users and their data. I must say that the setup I have this year is far better than anything I've had in the past....OpenOffice opens up in seconds....(for everyone)....Flash works MUCH better (We're using BrainPOP.com with no issues at all)...games like Childsplay, GCompris, TuxType...etc...have no latency. Kids can play MP3's off the 'net with no problems. I'm psyched. The load-balancing thing is so cool as it splits the load evenly among my two K12LTSP servers, but also...should one go down...the other picks up the slack....very easy to set up. Last week wehad a major wind storm (remnants of Hurricane Rita) and as a result we lost power sporadically for seconds at a time throughout the day....the last time was one too many and my Samba/LDAP server went down corrupting the LDAP database. (yes I have a UPS attached to the server...but....) Not that I needed it, but I have a script that backs up users home directories (and Windows profile directories) to an NFS share (via gigabit to another server)...hence I had a backup of /home....but I also had a backup of my LDAP database by running slapcat -l filename. The server wouldn't even boot all the way due to the problem with LDAP. Had this been a Windows server I might have been crying. But...it wasn't *smiles*. I booted into single user mode and disabled slapd so it would boot. Once the server was up....I deleted the LDAP database /var/lib/ldap and then ran slapadd -l filename and restored my entire LDAP database....users, passwords, and all. Very cool. I then did a simple chown -R ldap:ldap /var/lib/ldap....turned slapd back on and voila! Back in business. (less than 5 mins) My latest thing has been trying to make user management easier for a substitute computer teacher (someone subbing for me so I can go to Ubuntu Below Zero in Montreal...or Linux World in Boston without having to worry about what's happening back at school). One thing I've learned this year is that kindergarten kids can navigate the system quite well (they LOVE TuxPaint...Bill K. Rocks!)...Childsplay, TuxPaint, GCompris...etc. BUT...they have a hard time logging in and logging out. I usually log them in after they've given it a good try (some are starting to get it). But logging them out was a pain. Using Fl_TeacherTool was a good method, but I had to be careful not to inadvertently log out other people on the system in other rooms. SO....I wrote a script last year (original idea by C.T, Leung) that I use to "kill" users dead. I call it "stop"....usage: stop username (script is below) #!/bin/sh # usage stop username # stop # script to logoff a student # if [ $1 != "root" ] then for i in $(pgrep -u $1) do kill -9 $i done else clear echo "Can't kill the root!!" fi A week or so ago I wrote another script to make it more user-friendly....I call this one...stop-user (you run it and it asks you for the username....more friendly for a newbie....I made a launcher on the desktop that runs in terminal) #!/bin/bash echo "Enter the username you wish to logoff" read USERNAME sudo stop $USERNAME echo "Killing all processes for $USERNAME" Next I have come up with a script to log off an entire class...in particular a kindergarten class. This script reads from a text file with a list of names. I call this "stopgroups" usage: . stopgroups filename #!/bin/bash cat $1 |while read LINE do echo "Processing $LINE" stop $LINE done Example of text file is "stop-kindergarten-class" jsmith mjones jdoe pdow nadams dtrask Last I have created scripts and desktop launchers to make it easy to kill a specific class of users...such as Mrs. Jackson's Kindergarten Class....(this one is called "logoff-jackson"...I have a user called "subuser" for my substitute teacher) #!/bin/bash cd /home/subuser/stop-classes . stopgroups stop-jackson I have created launchers and put them on "subuser's" desktop so all they have to do is double-click the icon to logoff an entire kindergarten class. (subuser is also a sudo user in /etc/sudoers..with rights to execute only certain programs) By adding some of your teachers as limited sudoers in /etc/sudoers....you can let them do things like run Fl_TeacherTool....etc. So as you can tell things are going well. Things are running very smoothly and very FAST. (I honestly think 90% of my probs in the past were somehow DNS related) The dhcp failover/load-balancing thing is SO AWESOME! http://www.vcsvikings.org/linux/load-balance-failover-how-to.pdf and of course Samba/LDAP simply ROCKS! (new version of smbldap-installer coming very soon with cool new features such as auto-backup....I just have to rewrite some of the docs to account for changes) It's cool that my system has matured to the point where I can now make it more user friendly for other staff members...etc. One big thing I've noticed about myself is that I no longer use GUI tools for managing Samba/LDAP....the command line is SO much faster! I'm finally a true command-line user...I guess it's the next logical step in my Linux growth. *grins* This is such a cool ride! I'm having a BLAST! (and so are the kids!) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 VE From robark at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 03:51:41 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:51:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Very cool things happening at my school In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/6/05, David Trask wrote: > Hi all, > > Time for a report on what's happening here at VCS with my K12LTSP setup. ...... This is the type of story I like to read. It reminds me how empowering and rewarding the Free Open Source Software movement can be. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From gkw-x at shaw.ca Fri Oct 7 06:12:57 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 23:12:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Client reboots In-Reply-To: <1128636499.812.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <12678012d1fa.12d1fa126780@shaw.ca> <1128636499.812.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <434611E9.6060203@shaw.ca> Thanks! :) Too late though heheh, I gutted it and used the bits to finish another computer, which now works in its place :) It's the most frankenstein lab of donated parts you'll ever see... But now it all works great! Michael C Wescott wrote: > On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 15:35 -0700, NONE NONE wrote: > >>I have a client with an eepro card (the same as all my other machines - which boot >>fine). It loads up, connects to the server, goes through all the loading stuff, >>then says something about IRQ (I THINK) just before magically rebooting. Why would >>it just reboot? Any ideas? > > > Compare the BIOS settings with one that works. Especially PCI, > plug-n-play, IRQ reservations and memory reservations. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From gkw-x at shaw.ca Fri Oct 7 08:27:26 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 01:27:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Internet in k12 AND windows/macos? Message-ID: <4346316E.8050709@shaw.ca> Hello, The school currently has a lab of computers booting to k12, an LAC room full of Macs, and various Windows machines scattered here and there. It would really turn some heads if I was able to have every machine in the school able to boot to either k12 or the local os, AND to have internet access in either case. The current setup has the firewall/internet server hooked into a switch, which goes to all the mac/windows machines and into the k12 server. Then the k12 server goes into a second switch, which connects to all the lab pcs. So there are two things I need to ask: 1) Do I need two DHCP servers? How can I do this without running into conflicts on either the k12 machines, or the local os machines? I tried just plugging everything into one switch and suddenly half the k12 machines stopped booting (I assume because they were talking to the wrong DHCP server). 2) Can Macs boot to k12? There are some notes here and there indicating that maybe they can. How does this work? Or am I completely clueless. Thanks! Matt From lighthumor at hotmail.com Fri Oct 7 11:00:35 2005 From: lighthumor at hotmail.com (light being) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 07:00:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nx / nxserver / freenx - with games, video In-Reply-To: <32872.201.50.45.87.1128637524.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> Message-ID: Hmm let?s say chromium for example - some fast graphics, like sprites, and scrolling the entire screen, not too fast usually. But why isn?t it recommended for running the whole LAN? If it reduces bandwidth use... Does all the compression for a lot of clients load up the server CPU too much? I have LTSP setup in an internet cafe, and would like to start putting some linux games on for people. There?s only four terminals here though. >From: "Ramon" >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] nx / nxserver / freenx - with games, video >Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:25:24 -0300 (EST) >What game? and how much bandwidth? > >Yes that can be accomplished, but I won't recommend is for getting a lan >running >under nx. >It's enough to get a couple of people connected, but it wasen't designed >with that >purpose. >Peace > > > Has anyone tried nx/freenx/nxserver to see how much it helps with the > > bandwidth, if it?s enough to get a game, for example, running on a >100mb/s > > network? > > From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Oct 7 10:42:42 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:42:42 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Laptop thin client won't start completely Message-ID: <200510071252.j97Cqef23124@downeast.net> how a bout passwing option 128 and 129 and specifying the nic option option-128 code 128=string; option option-129 code 129=text; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=yournic"; chuck > I have a Dell Inspiron 6000 laptop that has a built in Intel PCI NIC. > The BIOS for the NIC is PXE version 2.1. > The server is running K12LTSP 4.4.1 > > The boot up goes past the un compressing Linux and starts loading > services. At this point I get an error message that indicates that the > server cannot identify the NIC and seems to think it is an ISA NIC. The > next line is the Kernel panic- attempted to kill init. > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how I go about fixing this problem? > Thanks > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From ramonklown at pop.com.br Fri Oct 7 11:29:06 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:29:06 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] nx / nxserver / freenx - with games, video In-Reply-To: References: <32872.201.50.45.87.1128637524.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <10097.200.222.204.22.1128684546.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> Just put to run via ltsp it's faster since you already have it set up, you can make nx run in a lan yes I was thinking you wanted to run from outside the lan. If you wanted from outside your lan you would need a lot of bandwidth to handle the incoming connections. Peace, Ramon > Hmm let?s say chromium for example - some fast graphics, like sprites, and > scrolling the entire screen, not too fast usually. > > But why isn?t it recommended for running the whole LAN? If it reduces > bandwidth use... > > Does all the compression for a lot of clients load up the server CPU too > much? > > I have LTSP setup in an internet cafe, and would like to start putting some > linux games on for people. > > There?s only four terminals here though. > >>From: "Ramon" >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] nx / nxserver / freenx - with games, video >>Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:25:24 -0300 (EST) >>What game? and how much bandwidth? >> >>Yes that can be accomplished, but I won't recommend is for getting a lan >>running >>under nx. >>It's enough to get a couple of people connected, but it wasen't designed >>with that >>purpose. >>Peace >> >> > Has anyone tried nx/freenx/nxserver to see how much it helps with the >> > bandwidth, if it?s enough to get a game, for example, running on a >>100mb/s >> > network? >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Oct 7 11:46:08 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 06:46:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Record Software In-Reply-To: <200510061831.j96IVo1m002390@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200510061831.j96IVo1m002390@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: Schoolmation might fit that criteria. http://www.schoolmation.com/schoolmationweb/main/index.php On Oct 6, 2005, at 12:27 PM, Mark Sarria wrote: > I am doing some volunteer work for the school my son attends. It's > a Small > private elementary school. They have asked me to recommend a > Student Record > Program that will be able to maintain student information, print > attendance > reports, Grades in session (progress reports then final grades) and > so on, I > would like to know what you'll are using in your school Open Source > or not > is fine. > > Thank you for your input. > > --mark > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Oct 7 12:30:47 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:30:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Internet in k12 AND windows/macos? In-Reply-To: <4346316E.8050709@shaw.ca> References: <4346316E.8050709@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1128688247.32068.129.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Fri, 2005-10-07 at 01:27 -0700, gKw-X wrote: > Hello, > > The school currently has a lab of computers booting to k12, an LAC room > full of Macs, and various Windows machines scattered here and there. It > would really turn some heads if I was able to have every machine in the > school able to boot to either k12 or the local os, AND to have internet > access in either case. The current setup has the firewall/internet > server hooked into a switch, which goes to all the mac/windows machines > and into the k12 server. Then the k12 server goes into a second switch, > which connects to all the lab pcs. So there are two things I need to ask: > > 1) Do I need two DHCP servers? How can I do this without running into > conflicts on either the k12 machines, or the local os machines? I tried > just plugging everything into one switch and suddenly half the k12 > machines stopped booting (I assume because they were talking to the > wrong DHCP server). > If you're running a dual-NIC K12LTSP setup (the default), then yes, you will need two DHCP servers, and you will need the LTSP clients on a different network segment. You can also use VLANs, if your switching architecture supports them, to accomplish the same thing. My setup at home is a little different. I run a single-NIC K12LTSP server and use its DHCP server to serve my whole LAN. > 2) Can Macs boot to k12? There are some notes here and there indicating > that maybe they can. How does this work? Or am I completely clueless. Yep. I do it with a Power Mac 5260, and others report that they've done it with other models as well. I've also, BTW, done it with Sun Ultra 5's. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In the last line, do I use the MAC address or something else? Thanks Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: cliebow at downeast.net Date: Friday, October 7, 2005 4:42 am Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Laptop thin client won't start completely > how a bout passwing option 128 and 129 and specifying the nic > > option option-128 code 128=string; > option option-129 code 129=text; > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > option option-129 "NIC=yournic"; > > chuck > > > > I have a Dell Inspiron 6000 laptop that has a built in Intel PCI > NIC. > > The BIOS for the NIC is PXE version 2.1. > > The server is running K12LTSP 4.4.1 > > > > The boot up goes past the un compressing Linux and starts > loading > > services. At this point I get an error message that indicates > that the > > server cannot identify the NIC and seems to think it is an ISA > NIC. The > > next line is the Kernel panic- attempted to kill init. > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how I go about fixing this > problem?> Thanks > > Pat > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Oct 7 13:33:19 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:33:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Very cool things happening at my school In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4346791F.4040401@maltzen.net> I love reading that kind of stuff, too. It's inspiring. Dave, can you put a page on the wiki that has a link to your PDF on setting up dual servers for load-balancing and failover? (Or actually put a copy of the PDF on the wiki--can that be done? I've never tried it.) Petre Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 10/6/05, David Trask wrote: > >>Hi all, >> >>Time for a report on what's happening here at VCS with my K12LTSP setup. > > > ...... > > This is the type of story I like to read. It reminds me how empowering > and rewarding the Free Open Source Software movement can be. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bkovach at logrog.net Fri Oct 7 14:32:12 2005 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:32:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] rsync Message-ID: <57720.216.229.68.126.1128695532.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> I am going to share home directories from server 1 in a few hours. I have home directories on server 2 with a certain amount of data in them (small amount). I think that I need to rsync the data from server 2 to server 1. I think the following command is how I should do it: rsync -av server_2_ip:/home server_1_ip:/home If the command is run from server 2 as root. Can anyone confirm this is correct? Bk -- Life is a race. Don't lose. From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Fri Oct 7 14:33:05 2005 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:33:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound issues with xfce Message-ID: <43468721.1050505@frederic.k12.wi.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, Does anyone have sound working with xfce on the clients? I have gone through the sound docs but I still am not making headway. Thanks - -- Justin Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District 1-715-327-4223 paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us "The world is open. Are you?" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDRoch1ed72CY2bpoRAlWrAKCLWE5195BEJCtkjroQdfj44vWsIwCdFgd7 /mw62hZhPgGnJ0xyLVd9yvo= =8FbX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On a fast local network, the LAN speed usually isn't an issue, at least if you have a gig uplink from server to switch. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Fri Oct 7 14:41:20 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:41:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync In-Reply-To: <57720.216.229.68.126.1128695532.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <57720.216.229.68.126.1128695532.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <1128696080.5097.18.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-10-07 at 09:32, Brandon Kovach wrote: > I am going to share home directories from server 1 in a few hours. I have > home directories on server 2 with a certain amount of data in them (small > amount). I think that I need to rsync the data from server 2 to server 1. > I think the following command is how I should do it: > > rsync -av server_2_ip:/home server_1_ip:/home > > If the command is run from server 2 as root. > > Can anyone confirm this is correct? You don't need to mention the hostname or ip on paths local to the machine, and I always get confused about whether a directory name mentioned in the source will be created as an extra level on the target or not, so I would log into server 2 as root, cd to /home and: ssh -essh -av . server1_ip:/home Using '.' (current directory) as the source make it impossible to end up with everything under /home/home/ on the target... -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bkovach at logrog.net Fri Oct 7 14:47:17 2005 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:47:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] rsync In-Reply-To: <1128696080.5097.18.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <57720.216.229.68.126.1128695532.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <1128696080.5097.18.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <33669.216.229.68.126.1128696437.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Do I ssh or rsync? > You don't need to mention the hostname or ip on paths local to the > machine, and I always get confused about whether a directory name > mentioned in the source will be created as an extra level on > the target or not, so I would log into server 2 as root, cd to > /home and: > ssh -essh -av . server1_ip:/home > Using '.' (current directory) as the source make it impossible to > end up with everything under /home/home/ on the target... > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Life is a race. Don't lose. From les at futuresource.com Fri Oct 7 15:00:40 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:00:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync In-Reply-To: <33669.216.229.68.126.1128696437.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <57720.216.229.68.126.1128695532.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <1128696080.5097.18.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <33669.216.229.68.126.1128696437.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <1128697239.5097.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-10-07 at 09:47, Brandon Kovach wrote: > Do I ssh or rsync? > > > You don't need to mention the hostname or ip on paths local to the > > machine, and I always get confused about whether a directory name > > mentioned in the source will be created as an extra level on > > the target or not, so I would log into server 2 as root, cd to > > /home and: > > ssh -essh -av . server1_ip:/home > > Using '.' (current directory) as the source make it impossible to > > end up with everything under /home/home/ on the target... Sorry, I was thinking about the -essh option that you omitted and typed it twice... It is rsync -essh -av . server1_ip:/home The -essh option tells it to do the remote connection over ssh. Otherwise at least some versions default to using the less secure rsh that everyone has disabled. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 15:09:46 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:09:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] yay or nay PowerConnect 6024F Message-ID: <9bd317560510070809v50b58965i3ef394b31d653021@mail.gmail.com> Can anyone recommend or warn against this as a backbone? http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/pwcnt_6024f?c=us&cs=555&l=en&s=biz Thanks, Peter From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Oct 7 15:49:44 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:49:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Internet in k12 AND windows/macos? In-Reply-To: <4346316E.8050709@shaw.ca> References: <4346316E.8050709@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <43469918.7010104@paasda.org> is it not possible to do an xquery from mac OS/X ? like the hack with the yellowdog OS? --Huck gKw-X wrote: > Hello, > > The school currently has a lab of computers booting to k12, an LAC room > full of Macs, and various Windows machines scattered here and there. It > would really turn some heads if I was able to have every machine in the > school able to boot to either k12 or the local os, AND to have internet > access in either case. The current setup has the firewall/internet > server hooked into a switch, which goes to all the mac/windows machines > and into the k12 server. Then the k12 server goes into a second switch, > which connects to all the lab pcs. So there are two things I need to ask: > > 1) Do I need two DHCP servers? How can I do this without running into > conflicts on either the k12 machines, or the local os machines? I tried > just plugging everything into one switch and suddenly half the k12 > machines stopped booting (I assume because they were talking to the > wrong DHCP server). > > 2) Can Macs boot to k12? There are some notes here and there indicating > that maybe they can. How does this work? Or am I completely clueless. > > Thanks! > Matt > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From thepiano at telenet.be Fri Oct 7 15:55:50 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:55:50 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Licensing, urgent !! Message-ID: <80795274-51EF-4515-BE52-841748578BCB@telenet.be> Hello to you all. I'l have to give a presentation on monday about LTSP in the University of Leuven asked by REN Vlaanderen in Belgium. I do have one big question regarding Licensing. At our school we are running the following setup One smb/ldap file server on FC4 3 centos LTSP servers with each 25 clients 1 Windows 2003 TS. Now about licensing: How many Windows Device Licenses do I need? As I can record on the Win2003 server the only connections seen by the server are those of the 3 LTSP servers. So IMHO I only need 3 device TS licenses. Or am I wrong? Do I need a win TS Device cal license for each of my workstations, or just for my LTSP servers? In fact they all run virtual desktops of the server, they are no real device connections? I do hope I only need 3.... Could some of you confirm or reject this? Thnx, Kevin From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 16:17:06 2005 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:17:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Licensing, urgent !! In-Reply-To: <80795274-51EF-4515-BE52-841748578BCB@telenet.be> References: <80795274-51EF-4515-BE52-841748578BCB@telenet.be> Message-ID: <69b790a80510070917u35dd2c24o659f83a0915d840@mail.gmail.com> On 10/7/05, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Hello to you all. > > I'l have to give a presentation on monday about LTSP in the > University of Leuven asked by REN Vlaanderen in Belgium. > > I do have one big question regarding Licensing. > At our school we are running the following setup > > One smb/ldap file server on FC4 > 3 centos LTSP servers with each 25 clients > 1 Windows 2003 TS. > > Now about licensing: > > How many Windows Device Licenses do I need? > As I can record on the Win2003 server the only connections seen by > the server are those of the 3 LTSP servers. > So IMHO I only need 3 device TS licenses. Or am I wrong? > Do I need a win TS Device cal license for each of my workstations, or > just for my LTSP servers? > In fact they all run virtual desktops of the server, they are no real > device connections? > > I do hope I only need 3.... > Could some of you confirm or reject this. Terminal Server CALs are required for each TS connection. Essentially, if anybody sees the Windows desktop, they would need a TS CAL. I'll leave it to someone else to figure out the rest of the licensing. From dan_hopson at hotmail.com Fri Oct 7 16:26:30 2005 From: dan_hopson at hotmail.com (Dan Hopson) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 12:26:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP will not work with DHCP on eth0? Message-ID: Hello all...I teach at Mitchell HS in NC and have just installed K12LTSP for my students to play with. However, I can't get eth1 to work consistently with DHCP on my school server. The times that it has worked as soon as reboot, I lose the connection again. Any ideas on this? Thanks, Dan. From tlegge at rogers.com Fri Oct 7 16:29:38 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Licensing, urgent !! In-Reply-To: <80795274-51EF-4515-BE52-841748578BCB@telenet.be> Message-ID: <20051007162938.19989.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi When I looked into the licensing some time ago I believe that you needed a Terminal Services Cal for each person/seat that connected. The fact that the Windows server only sees three connecting server is immaterial I believe. Granted I have not looked in detail lately, but you can be fairly certain that you would need more licence than less... Tim --- Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Hello to you all. > > I'l have to give a presentation on monday about LTSP > in the > University of Leuven asked by REN Vlaanderen in > Belgium. > > I do have one big question regarding Licensing. > At our school we are running the following setup > > One smb/ldap file server on FC4 > 3 centos LTSP servers with each 25 clients > 1 Windows 2003 TS. > > Now about licensing: > > How many Windows Device Licenses do I need? > As I can record on the Win2003 server the only > connections seen by > the server are those of the 3 LTSP servers. > So IMHO I only need 3 device TS licenses. Or am I > wrong? > Do I need a win TS Device cal license for each of my > workstations, or > just for my LTSP servers? > In fact they all run virtual desktops of the server, > they are no real > device connections? > > I do hope I only need 3.... > Could some of you confirm or reject this? > > Thnx, > > Kevin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Oct 7 16:47:49 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:47:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Licensing, urgent !! In-Reply-To: <80795274-51EF-4515-BE52-841748578BCB@telenet.be> References: <80795274-51EF-4515-BE52-841748578BCB@telenet.be> Message-ID: <4346A6B5.8010905@paasda.org> Oh in Belgium? Might take MS a while to get to you...start with 3 and claim a poor interpretation of the licensing agreement...then buy more if need be ;) --Huck Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Hello to you all. > > I'l have to give a presentation on monday about LTSP in the University > of Leuven asked by REN Vlaanderen in Belgium. > > I do have one big question regarding Licensing. > At our school we are running the following setup > > One smb/ldap file server on FC4 > 3 centos LTSP servers with each 25 clients > 1 Windows 2003 TS. > > Now about licensing: > > How many Windows Device Licenses do I need? > As I can record on the Win2003 server the only connections seen by the > server are those of the 3 LTSP servers. > So IMHO I only need 3 device TS licenses. Or am I wrong? > Do I need a win TS Device cal license for each of my workstations, or > just for my LTSP servers? > In fact they all run virtual desktops of the server, they are no real > device connections? > > I do hope I only need 3.... > Could some of you confirm or reject this? > > Thnx, > > Kevin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From thepiano at telenet.be Fri Oct 7 16:48:35 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:48:35 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Licensing, urgent !! In-Reply-To: <20051007162938.19989.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20051007162938.19989.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48952A25-A3E0-4DBA-A964-F38368FBB298@telenet.be> That's what i understood about the Terminal server CLIENT access license. What I read was there is a difference between a Client TS cal and a Device TS cal. The client cal was per user that gets connected, the device cal per device that connects. But the defenition about a device connection is so cloudy.... --------------- http://www.brianmadden.com/content/content.asp?ID=154 ------- Option 1. Terminal Server ?Device? Client Access License Terminal Services licensing has traditionally been handled by the Terminal Server device Client Access License (TS Device CAL). One license is assigned to each specific client device. Each unique client device that accesses a Terminal Server requires a single TS Device CAL. What is this license good for? If your environment has workstations that are used by a multiple users, as in round-the-clock environments such as factory floors, call centers, and nursing stations, this license is the most effective since your users could share a single TS Device CAL. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Does this tells me only each UNIQUE device HANDLED by terminal server needs a license? "One license is assigned": Only the servers are getting a license assigned, no clients are even recognised by the win 2003 Licensing server? Do they exist? There's onlt one connection you can see per server, and not one connection made from a client... hmhm.... Kevin Op 7-okt-05, om 18:29 heeft Timothy Legge het volgende geschreven: > Hi > > When I looked into the licensing some time ago I > believe that you needed a Terminal Services Cal for > each person/seat that connected. The fact that the > Windows server only sees three connecting server is > immaterial I believe. > > Granted I have not looked in detail lately, but you > can be fairly certain that you would need more licence > than less... > > Tim > > --- Kevin Verheyen wrote: > > >> Hello to you all. >> >> I'l have to give a presentation on monday about LTSP >> in the >> University of Leuven asked by REN Vlaanderen in >> Belgium. >> >> I do have one big question regarding Licensing. >> At our school we are running the following setup >> >> One smb/ldap file server on FC4 >> 3 centos LTSP servers with each 25 clients >> 1 Windows 2003 TS. >> >> Now about licensing: >> >> How many Windows Device Licenses do I need? >> As I can record on the Win2003 server the only >> connections seen by >> the server are those of the 3 LTSP servers. >> So IMHO I only need 3 device TS licenses. Or am I >> wrong? >> Do I need a win TS Device cal license for each of my >> workstations, or >> just for my LTSP servers? >> In fact they all run virtual desktops of the server, >> they are no real >> device connections? >> >> I do hope I only need 3.... >> Could some of you confirm or reject this? >> >> Thnx, >> >> Kevin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ccraig at safedesksolutions.com Fri Oct 7 16:58:29 2005 From: ccraig at safedesksolutions.com (Curt Craig) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:58:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Licensing, urgent !! In-Reply-To: <4346A6B5.8010905@paasda.org> References: <80795274-51EF-4515-BE52-841748578BCB@telenet.be> <4346A6B5.8010905@paasda.org> Message-ID: <200510070958.30337.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> "When states are in confusion there will be faithful servants." Lao Tzu To further Mr. Tzu's point, ever check out MS's advice re TS licensing? http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/default.mspx I'm with Huck... ;) Curt > Kevin Verheyen wrote: > > Hello to you all. > > > > I'l have to give a presentation on monday about LTSP in the University > > of Leuven asked by REN Vlaanderen in Belgium. > > > > I do have one big question regarding Licensing. > > At our school we are running the following setup > > > > One smb/ldap file server on FC4 > > 3 centos LTSP servers with each 25 clients > > 1 Windows 2003 TS. > > > > Now about licensing: > > > > How many Windows Device Licenses do I need? > > As I can record on the Win2003 server the only connections seen by the > > server are those of the 3 LTSP servers. > > So IMHO I only need 3 device TS licenses. Or am I wrong? > > Do I need a win TS Device cal license for each of my workstations, or > > just for my LTSP servers? > > In fact they all run virtual desktops of the server, they are no real > > device connections? > > > > I do hope I only need 3.... > > Could some of you confirm or reject this? > > > > Thnx, > > > > Kevin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Curt Craig SafeDesk Solutions 866-465-8636 509-536-0565 (fax) www.safedesk.com From andy at spitcomp.com Fri Oct 7 17:01:59 2005 From: andy at spitcomp.com (Andrew Fisk) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:01:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Licensing, urgent !! In-Reply-To: <20051007162938.19989.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20051007162938.19989.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6562155B-CD49-4775-816D-4F2FD643B064@spitcomp.com> Having had this conversation with MS -- you need one license for each client connecting -- no matter what is in the middle! Sorry for the bad news Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Oct 7, 2005, at 12:29 PM, Timothy Legge wrote: > Hi > > When I looked into the licensing some time ago I > believe that you needed a Terminal Services Cal for > each person/seat that connected. The fact that the > Windows server only sees three connecting server is > immaterial I believe. > > Granted I have not looked in detail lately, but you > can be fairly certain that you would need more licence > than less... > > Tim > > --- Kevin Verheyen wrote: > > >> Hello to you all. >> >> I'l have to give a presentation on monday about LTSP >> in the >> University of Leuven asked by REN Vlaanderen in >> Belgium. >> >> I do have one big question regarding Licensing. >> At our school we are running the following setup >> >> One smb/ldap file server on FC4 >> 3 centos LTSP servers with each 25 clients >> 1 Windows 2003 TS. >> >> Now about licensing: >> >> How many Windows Device Licenses do I need? >> As I can record on the Win2003 server the only >> connections seen by >> the server are those of the 3 LTSP servers. >> So IMHO I only need 3 device TS licenses. Or am I >> wrong? >> Do I need a win TS Device cal license for each of my >> workstations, or >> just for my LTSP servers? >> In fact they all run virtual desktops of the server, >> they are no real >> device connections? >> >> I do hope I only need 3.... >> Could some of you confirm or reject this? >> >> Thnx, >> >> Kevin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 17:02:32 2005 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:02:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Licensing, urgent !! In-Reply-To: <200510070958.30337.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> References: <80795274-51EF-4515-BE52-841748578BCB@telenet.be> <4346A6B5.8010905@paasda.org> <200510070958.30337.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> Message-ID: <69b790a80510071002hf05ab33h3cf1e39fae1b7ed0@mail.gmail.com> On 10/7/05, Curt Craig wrote: > "When states are in confusion there will be faithful servants." > Lao Tzu > > To further Mr. Tzu's point, ever check out MS's advice re TS licensing? > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/default.mspx > I don't see MS 'refining' their licensing to allow someone to get away with fewer licenses. Kevin,the way you describe the scenario, it sounds like you would only need the 3 device licenses. I'll admit I hadn't read the 2003 version, I was stuck with the 2000 server licensing. But the other questions is, why do you use the 2003 server? Roger From thepiano at telenet.be Fri Oct 7 17:05:02 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 19:05:02 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Licensing, urgent !! In-Reply-To: <69b790a80510071002hf05ab33h3cf1e39fae1b7ed0@mail.gmail.com> References: <80795274-51EF-4515-BE52-841748578BCB@telenet.be> <4346A6B5.8010905@paasda.org> <200510070958.30337.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> <69b790a80510071002hf05ab33h3cf1e39fae1b7ed0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <21B7DFE5-0AEA-41C2-8DEF-A11A863FF1C5@telenet.be> Any reasons to stick with 2000? Kevin Op 7-okt-05, om 19:02 heeft Roger het volgende geschreven: > > But the other questions is, why do you use the 2003 server? From caldodge at fpcc.net Fri Oct 7 17:17:33 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:17:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync In-Reply-To: <57720.216.229.68.126.1128695532.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <57720.216.229.68.126.1128695532.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <20051007171733.GC28421@fpcc.net> On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 09:32:12AM -0500, Brandon Kovach wrote: > I am going to share home directories from server 1 in a few hours. I have > home directories on server 2 with a certain amount of data in them (small > amount). I think that I need to rsync the data from server 2 to server 1. > I think the following command is how I should do it: > > rsync -av server_2_ip:/home server_1_ip:/home > > If the command is run from server 2 as root. > > Can anyone confirm this is correct? I believe you want to add a trailing slash to both directories. If you don't, I think the above command will create a new "home" directory inside the existing /home one. Also, if this command is run from a shell on "server_2", then you don't need to specify an IP address for the source. So the desired command would be: rsync -av /home/ server_1_ip:/home/ Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From caldodge at fpcc.net Fri Oct 7 17:18:50 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:18:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync In-Reply-To: <57720.216.229.68.126.1128695532.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <57720.216.229.68.126.1128695532.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <20051007171850.GD28421@fpcc.net> I almost forgot: you may need to specify ssh as the transport mechanism. In that case, the command would be: rsync -av -e ssh /home/ server_1_ip:/home/ Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Oct 7 19:00:14 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:00:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Very cool things happening at my school In-Reply-To: <4346791F.4040401@maltzen.net> References: < > <4346791F.4040401@maltzen.net> Message-ID: I'll try t do it this weekend. Good idea (posting the pdf to the wiki) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, October 07, 2005 at 9:33 AM +0000 wrote: >I love reading that kind of stuff, too. It's inspiring. > >Dave, can you put a page on the wiki that has a link to your PDF on >setting up dual >servers for load-balancing and failover? (Or actually put a copy of the >PDF on the >wiki--can that be done? I've never tried it.) > >Petre > >Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> On 10/6/05, David Trask wrote: >> >>>Hi all, >>> >>>Time for a report on what's happening here at VCS with my K12LTSP setup. >> >> >> ...... >> >> This is the type of story I like to read. It reminds me how empowering >> and rewarding the Free Open Source Software movement can be. >> >> -- >> Robert Arkiletian >> C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Oct 7 19:03:37 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:03:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Licensing, urgent !! In-Reply-To: <21B7DFE5-0AEA-41C2-8DEF-A11A863FF1C5@telenet.be> References: <21B7DFE5-0AEA-41C2-8DEF-A11A863FF1C5@telenet.be> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, October 07, 2005 at 1:05 PM +0000 wrote: >Any reasons to stick with 2000? No...2003 is considerably better in my experience....if you must run a Windows TS David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From scott at hosef.org Fri Oct 7 19:34:27 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:34:27 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <36BDFA39-95F5-4F12-A6F6-314A9A0A034B@netday.org.za> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <2e42bd9b05093012101bdb2297@mail.gmail.com> <36BDFA39-95F5-4F12-A6F6-314A9A0A034B@netday.org.za> Message-ID: <4346CDC3.9060501@hosef.org> Edward Holcroft wrote: > I was not able to replicate this scenario on another server, this time > a single CPU machine. However - I now note that on the first server, I > get the output referred to above when I run javaldx. On the server > which still runs OOo slowly, I get no output at all when I run javaldx. > Could this be the problem? > > ed Aloha Amigos My apologies for not following up more timely on this issue. A faithful volunteer, Ron, went by one of the trouble schools last week and came up with these metrics. I have not included all of his measurements, but easily can upon request. In summary, the lab runs great, except for OO. While some are waiting for it to open, others are actively using it. Meanwhile, the application menus are snappy, other apps readily open, etc. At no time in top is the cpu or ram totally utilized. In fact, three instances of firefox had more cpu utilization than all OO instances. (scott) *mii-tool* (ha! you guys were so right. the switch light does lie) [root at kuhio-hosef ~]# mii-tool eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok eth1: negotiated 10baseT-FD flow-control, link ok *javaldx* (this lab was an upgrade, not a clean install) [root at kuhio-hosef ~]# /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/javaldx /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_02/lib/i386/client:/usr/java/j2re1.4.2_02/lib/i386/native_threads:/usr/java/j2re1.4.2_02/lib/i386 *Observational* *Narrative* I was onsite at Kuhio school with Debbie yesterday during and after one of her large classes that was experiencing the extreme slowness when opening OpenOffice on the K12LTSP server. I'm attaching logs taken during this time. /var/log/messages was tailed the entire time to tail-messages.log. Shell script logit was run periodically to capture the output of "ps auxwwf", "top -b -n1" and "free". "prelink" was run, per the suggestion of one of the helpful folk on the k12osn mailing list. See Scott's thread "[K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2" in the k12osn mailing list archives for Sep and Oct at https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/ . Other files are the output of "df", "ifconfig", "rpm -qa | grep -i" for k12ltsp, office, kernel and fedora. The switch seemed to be working fine as far as i could see all port activity lights flashing green, no amber or red lights, the switch is a Amer.com SR48G2i connected via RS232 to the server (for console management?). DNS is working fine from the server, able to "dig outside.host.names" and "dig -x outside.ip.addresses", all client workstations are in the /etc/hosts file. Each client logon is accompanied by an error dialog saying "No volume control elements and/or devices found". Each logoff is accompanied by a similar message but it disappears too quickly for me to get the full text. Debbie has a fix for this problem from Ted but hasn't had time to apply it yet. The client logons proceed quickly and everything is pretty responsive until OOwriter is invoked. The OpenOffice splash screen appears quickly and the progress bar goes immediately to the exact halfway point and then stalls. While OO is stalled, other apps on the same workstation and OO itself on other workstations are all very responsive. A fair number of times OO crashed before completing startup. I've included the "oo.crash.log" text from one of these. Another anomaly noted was that three of the users had strange writer behavior in that when they typed one or more "space" characters in the active document, the cursor would not move until a non-space character was typed, then the accumulated space characters would become visible. I didn't test to see if this problem follows the user or the client workstation. Another point, 3 users were running mozilla (see ps-auxwwf.log and top-b-n1.log), consuming a lot of cpu but I don't think this had anything to do with the slowness opening OOwriter. *Observational* *Summary* Some times of note: 13:33:03 started tailing /var/log/messages with "tail -f /var/log/messages | tee tail-messages.log" 13:35:15 last user from the 12:35 - 13:20 class logs out 13:44:37 first users from the 13:20 - 14:05 start to login 13:50 lots of kids are waiting for OOwriter to complete startup others are happily working on their assignments. 13:51:54 kuhio-hosef kernel: 3w-xxxx: scsi2: AEN: WARNING: SMART threshold exceeded: Port #1. [same message seen in dmesg.log - a drive may be about to fail] 14:22:40 last user exits *Memory* *Usage* Fri Sep 30 13:22:18 HST 2005 total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 2075804 2025296 50508 0 18732 211728 -/+ buffers/cache: 1794836 280968 Swap: 1052152 308952 743200 Fri Sep 30 13:22:55 HST 2005 total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 2075804 2023436 52368 0 19396 211864 -/+ buffers/cache: 1792176 283628 Swap: 1052152 308952 743200 Fri Sep 30 13:24:48 HST 2005 total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 2075804 2023436 52368 0 21980 213312 -/+ buffers/cache: 1788144 287660 Swap: 1052152 303160 748992 Fri Sep 30 13:25:35 HST 2005 total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 2075804 2024908 50896 0 20808 196892 -/+ buffers/cache: 1807208 268596 Swap: 1052152 310856 741296 Fri Sep 30 13:36:41 HST 2005 total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 2075804 596384 1479420 0 30580 251432 -/+ buffers/cache: 314372 1761432 Swap: 1052152 47156 1004996 Fri Sep 30 13:50:40 HST 2005 total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 2075804 1918612 157192 0 49604 355488 -/+ buffers/cache: 1513520 562284 Swap: 1052152 37960 1014192 Fri Sep 30 13:51:31 HST 2005 total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 2075804 2025128 50676 0 37124 298360 -/+ buffers/cache: 1689644 386160 Swap: 1052152 47056 1005096 Fri Sep 30 14:10:54 HST 2005 total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 2075804 615404 1460400 0 26344 260488 -/+ buffers/cache: 328572 1747232 Swap: 1052152 80992 971160 Fri Sep 30 14:11:12 HST 2005 total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 2075804 595796 1480008 0 26408 260568 -/+ buffers/cache: 308820 1766984 Swap: 1052152 80684 971468 *Open* *Office* *Log* 0x27bb96: /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libuno_sal.so.3 + 0x1db96 0x27c3e4: /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libuno_sal.so.3 + 0x1e3e4 0x879420: + 0x420 (__kernel_sigreturn + 0x0) 0x24b77e: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 + 0x977e 0x24f6d8: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 + 0xd6d8 0x254d30: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 + 0x12d30 0x5dc14b8: /usr/lib/libcups.so.2 + 0x54b8 0x5dc1cff: /usr/lib/libcups.so.2 + 0x5cff (cupsGetDests2 + 0x54) 0x5dc1fef: /usr/lib/libcups.so.2 + 0x5fef (cupsGetDests + 0x48) 0x8ca8b4: /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libpsp680li.so + 0x508b4 0x8c876f: /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libpsp680li.so + 0x4e76f (psp::CUPSManager::runDests() + 0x21) 0x8c87c5: /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libpsp680li.so + 0x4e7c5 (psp::CUPSManager::runDestThread(void*) + 0x17) 0x275339: /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libuno_sal.so.3 + 0x17339 0x4b9b80: /lib/libpthread.so.0 + 0x5b80 0xe3edee: /lib/libc.so.6 + 0xcadee (__clone + 0x5e) Hope this helps some figure out what's happening. -- Ron Fox From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 20:16:58 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:16:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <4346CDC3.9060501@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <2e42bd9b05093012101bdb2297@mail.gmail.com> <36BDFA39-95F5-4F12-A6F6-314A9A0A034B@netday.org.za> <4346CDC3.9060501@hosef.org> Message-ID: On 10/7/05, R. Scott Belford wrote: > In summary, the lab runs great, except for OO. While some are waiting > for it to open, others are actively using it. Meanwhile, the > application menus are snappy, other apps readily open, etc. At no time > in top is the cpu or ram totally utilized. In fact, three instances of > firefox had more cpu utilization than all OO instances. > ... > I was onsite at Kuhio school with Debbie yesterday during and after one > of her large classes that was experiencing the extreme slowness when > opening OpenOffice on the K12LTSP server. ... > The client logons proceed quickly and everything is pretty responsive > until OOwriter is invoked. The OpenOffice splash screen appears quickly > and the progress bar goes immediately to the exact halfway point and > then stalls. While OO is stalled, other apps on the same workstation and > OO itself on other workstations are all very responsive. It might be worth having somebody use ethereal to have a look at the X protocol traffic. Another idea: can you reproduce the problem by ssh'ing in to the server from, say, a linux laptop or some other beefy machine as opposed to an LTSP client? If so, can you also reproduce it if you ssh in but use NX instead of X to display the remote app? - Dan From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Oct 7 21:13:01 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:13:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP will not work with DHCP on eth0? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1128719581.32068.145.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Ship us your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 file. The correct settings are in there. Also, try running "/sbin/dhclient eth1" manually, as root. Then kill dhclient, and do this a few more times to see if the behaviour is consistent. Let us know what happens. --TP On Fri, 2005-10-07 at 12:26 -0400, Dan Hopson wrote: > Hello all...I teach at Mitchell HS in NC and have just installed K12LTSP for > my students to play with. However, I can't get eth1 to work consistently > with DHCP on my school server. The times that it has worked as soon as > reboot, I lose the connection again. Any ideas on this? > > Thanks, Dan. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at hosef.org Fri Oct 7 21:41:46 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 11:41:46 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <2e42bd9b05093012101bdb2297@mail.gmail.com> <36BDFA39-95F5-4F12-A6F6-314A9A0A034B@netday.org.za> <4346CDC3.9060501@hosef.org> Message-ID: <4346EB9A.7090604@hosef.org> Dan Kegel wrote: > On 10/7/05, R. Scott Belford wrote: > >>In summary, the lab runs great, except for OO. While some are waiting >>for it to open, others are actively using it. Meanwhile, the >>application menus are snappy, other apps readily open, etc. At no time >>in top is the cpu or ram totally utilized. In fact, three instances of >>firefox had more cpu utilization than all OO instances. >>... >>I was onsite at Kuhio school with Debbie yesterday during and after one >>of her large classes that was experiencing the extreme slowness when >>opening OpenOffice on the K12LTSP server. ... >>The client logons proceed quickly and everything is pretty responsive >>until OOwriter is invoked. The OpenOffice splash screen appears quickly >>and the progress bar goes immediately to the exact halfway point and >>then stalls. While OO is stalled, other apps on the same workstation and >>OO itself on other workstations are all very responsive. > > > It might be worth having somebody use ethereal to have a look at the X > protocol traffic. > Another idea: can you reproduce the problem by ssh'ing in to the server > from, say, a linux laptop or some other beefy machine as opposed to an > LTSP client? > If so, can you also reproduce it if you ssh in but use NX instead of X > to display the remote app? Thanks, Dan. Good suggestions. We'll take a look at this, too. > - Dan --scott From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 21:55:45 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:55:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <4346EB9A.7090604@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <2e42bd9b05093012101bdb2297@mail.gmail.com> <36BDFA39-95F5-4F12-A6F6-314A9A0A034B@netday.org.za> <4346CDC3.9060501@hosef.org> <4346EB9A.7090604@hosef.org> Message-ID: Oh, and more simply: could you make sure that the network is healthy? You know, ping times below 1 ms, no packet loss, speed 100Mbit/sec, full duplex. And gigabit from the server to the hub. Any latency or packet loss can kill quality of remote X sessions for apps that are bad about tolerating latency. From caldodge at fpcc.net Fri Oct 7 22:17:54 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:17:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <4346CDC3.9060501@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <2e42bd9b05093012101bdb2297@mail.gmail.com> <36BDFA39-95F5-4F12-A6F6-314A9A0A034B@netday.org.za> <4346CDC3.9060501@hosef.org> Message-ID: <20051007221754.GB29310@fpcc.net> I haven't saved all the messages from this exchange, so I don't recall which version of K12LTSP you're running. But if it's 4.2.1, or 4.4.1, it's _possible_ that you have a conflict between your version of Java and the kernel you're running. At least, I've seen problems between java 1.4.2 and the latest kernels, typically manifested as strange networking problems. Do you have the option of upgrading to Java 1.5? That solved the problem for me, and it might for you. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From scott at hosef.org Fri Oct 7 23:22:12 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:22:12 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <20051007221754.GB29310@fpcc.net> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <2e42bd9b05093012101bdb2297@mail.gmail.com> <36BDFA39-95F5-4F12-A6F6-314A9A0A034B@netday.org.za> <4346CDC3.9060501@hosef.org> <20051007221754.GB29310@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <43470324.1080607@hosef.org> Calvin Dodge wrote: > I haven't saved all the messages from this exchange, so I don't recall > which version of K12LTSP you're running. > > But if it's 4.2.1, or 4.4.1, it's _possible_ that you have a conflict > between your version of Java and the kernel you're running. > > At least, I've seen problems between java 1.4.2 and the latest kernels, > typically manifested as strange networking problems. > > Do you have the option of upgrading to Java 1.5? That solved the problem > for me, and it might for you. Thanks, Calvin. I have definitely given the Java upgrade some consideration. This school was upgraded from 4.2. Thing is, I know(sic) that the problem exists on a clean install of 4.4.1, too, but our instance of it has since been downgraded and I can't provide metrics. > > Calvin --scott From scott at hosef.org Fri Oct 7 23:46:29 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:46:29 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <2e42bd9b05093012101bdb2297@mail.gmail.com> <36BDFA39-95F5-4F12-A6F6-314A9A0A034B@netday.org.za> <4346CDC3.9060501@hosef.org> <4346EB9A.7090604@hosef.org> Message-ID: <434708D5.7000604@hosef.org> Dan Kegel wrote: > Oh, and more simply: could you make sure that the > network is healthy? You know, ping times below 1 ms, > no packet loss, speed 100Mbit/sec, full duplex. > And gigabit from the server to the hub. > > Any latency or packet loss can kill quality > of remote X sessions for apps that are bad > about tolerating latency. Is it possible that only Open Office could be affected in an unhealthy network setting? Thanks for the suggestion. mii-tool already revealed that the gig to gig connection was negotiated at 100Mbit. We'll have to use iptraf now to observe utilization of the interface. Our DOE has recently closed ssh, so we have to time our observations and assistance much more carefully. --scott From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Oct 7 23:57:14 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:57:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <434708D5.7000604@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <2e42bd9b05093012101bdb2297@mail.gmail.com> <36BDFA39-95F5-4F12-A6F6-314A9A0A034B@netday.org.za> <4346CDC3.9060501@hosef.org> <4346EB9A.7090604@hosef.org> <434708D5.7000604@hosef.org> Message-ID: <43470B5A.5060707@paasda.org> will mii-tool show a gig-e nic to a gig-e switch that is feeding 100mb connections as a gig-e connection? I don't know...it seems to me that it should...but at the same time if the largest thing talking to it is 100mb .. blah I dunno the answer to this. --Huck R. Scott Belford wrote: > Dan Kegel wrote: > >> Oh, and more simply: could you make sure that the >> network is healthy? You know, ping times below 1 ms, >> no packet loss, speed 100Mbit/sec, full duplex. >> And gigabit from the server to the hub. >> >> Any latency or packet loss can kill quality >> of remote X sessions for apps that are bad >> about tolerating latency. > > > Is it possible that only Open Office could be affected in an unhealthy > network setting? Thanks for the suggestion. mii-tool already revealed > that the gig to gig connection was negotiated at 100Mbit. We'll have to > use iptraf now to observe utilization of the interface. > > Our DOE has recently closed ssh, so we have to time our observations and > assistance much more carefully. > > --scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From les at futuresource.com Sat Oct 8 01:27:35 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 20:27:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <43470B5A.5060707@paasda.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <2e42bd9b05093012101bdb2297@mail.gmail.com> <36BDFA39-95F5-4F12-A6F6-314A9A0A034B@netday.org.za> <4346CDC3.9060501@hosef.org> <4346EB9A.7090604@hosef.org> <434708D5.7000604@hosef.org> <43470B5A.5060707@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1128734854.6024.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-10-07 at 18:57, Huck wrote: > will mii-tool show a gig-e nic to a gig-e switch that is feeding 100mb > connections as a gig-e connection? I don't know...it seems to me that it > should...but at the same time if the largest thing talking to it is > 100mb .. blah I dunno the answer to this. I'm not sure mii-tool understands gig-e. Try the newer 'ethtool' instead. You have to specify one device at a time, though: ethtool eth0 -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From toddobryan at mac.com Sat Oct 8 01:55:06 2005 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 21:55:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Record Software In-Reply-To: <200510061831.j96IVo1m002390@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200510061831.j96IVo1m002390@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: I don't have a good answer, but I can emphatically state from personal experience that you should not go near STI with a ten foot pole. Todd On Oct 6, 2005, at 1:27 PM, Mark Sarria wrote: > I am doing some volunteer work for the school my son attends. It's > a Small > private elementary school. They have asked me to recommend a > Student Record > Program that will be able to maintain student information, print > attendance > reports, Grades in session (progress reports then final grades) and > so on, I > would like to know what you'll are using in your school Open Source > or not > is fine. > > Thank you for your input. > > --mark > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 02:08:22 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 19:08:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <434708D5.7000604@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <36BDFA39-95F5-4F12-A6F6-314A9A0A034B@netday.org.za> <4346CDC3.9060501@hosef.org> <4346EB9A.7090604@hosef.org> <434708D5.7000604@hosef.org> Message-ID: On 10/7/05, R. Scott Belford wrote: > > Any latency or packet loss can kill quality > > of remote X sessions for apps that are bad > > about tolerating latency. > > Is it possible that only Open Office could be affected in an unhealthy > network setting? Latency affects different X applications differently. Application developers make decisions that greatly affect the number of network round trips needed to bring up an application. You may want to file a bug against OpenOffice once you quantify this a bit and verify that it really is a network issue, and whether the thing that bugs OpenOffice is latency, packet loss, or bandwidth. Sun may want to pay a bit of attention to this issue. - Dan From rmcdaniel at indata.us Sat Oct 8 02:19:05 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 19:19:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Record Software Message-ID: <20051007191905.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.5eb92e6e8e.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Let me also state that you should stay away from STI. I have supported and used the software for 6 years and can't believe that STI is the most widly used software in schools. It is poorly written, both the application and the database backend. I can't believe that our state, Alabama, continues to force all of the schools in the state to use STI. Updates, bug fixes, and poor support plague the end users. Take a look at Centre, http://www.miller-group.net. It is open source and the company also offers support. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Student Record Software > From: "Todd O'Bryan" > Date: Fri, October 07, 2005 8:55 pm > To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us, "Support list for opensource software in > schools." > > I don't have a good answer, but I can emphatically state from > personal experience that you should not go near STI with a ten foot > pole. > > Todd > > On Oct 6, 2005, at 1:27 PM, Mark Sarria wrote: > > > I am doing some volunteer work for the school my son attends. It's > > a Small > > private elementary school. They have asked me to recommend a > > Student Record > > Program that will be able to maintain student information, print > > attendance > > reports, Grades in session (progress reports then final grades) and > > so on, I > > would like to know what you'll are using in your school Open Source > > or not > > is fine. > > > > Thank you for your input. > > > > --mark > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Oct 8 02:49:43 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 19:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <36BDFA39-95F5-4F12-A6F6-314A9A0A034B@netday.org.za> <4346CDC3.9060501@hosef.org> <4346EB9A.7090604@hosef.org> <434708D5.7000604@hosef.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Dan Kegel wrote: > On 10/7/05, R. Scott Belford wrote: >>> Any latency or packet loss can kill quality >>> of remote X sessions for apps that are bad >>> about tolerating latency. >> >> Is it possible that only Open Office could be affected in an unhealthy >> network setting? > > Latency affects different X applications differently. > Application developers make decisions that greatly > affect the number of network round trips needed > to bring up an application. > > You may want to file a bug against OpenOffice > once you quantify this a bit and verify that it > really is a network issue, and whether the thing > that bugs OpenOffice is latency, packet loss, or bandwidth. > Sun may want to pay a bit of attention to this issue. > - Dan I'm pretty sure that OOo has been heavily audited for these types of issues. A year or so ago Jim and I sat down and talked with Jim Gettys and Keith Packard about X's network transparency. Jim and Keith talked about how they were working with the developers of popular X applications (Mozilla/Firefox and OOo in particular) to help them improve over-the-network performance. If you are going to have your X code audited, it would be rather difficult to find someone more qualified than Jim Gettys and Keith Packard ;-) -Eric From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 03:15:37 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 23:15:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Record Software In-Reply-To: References: <200510061831.j96IVo1m002390@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <92de6c880510072015n5da60efbia5290eb97e0d2691@mail.gmail.com> On 10/7/05, Burke Almquist wrote: > Schoolmation might fit that criteria. > http://www.schoolmation.com/schoolmationweb/main/index.php As an aside, SchoolMation 2.0 isn't free software. The 1.x versions were under the GPL, but they say they had some issues with other companies (one in India, apparently) then reselling their code under commercial licenses, which is prohibited under the GPL. Rather than defending their rights, they punted and just gave up on free software. --Tom From edward at netday.org.za Sat Oct 8 05:28:10 2005 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 07:28:10 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <36BDFA39-95F5-4F12-A6F6-314A9A0A034B@netday.org.za> <4346CDC3.9060501@hosef.org> <4346EB9A.7090604@hosef.org> <434708D5.7000604@hosef.org> Message-ID: Hi all In my case the slow OOo problem was caused by bad installation media. I tried every permutation of clean and upgrade installation using 4.2, 4.2.1, 4.4 and 4.4.1 with a newly burned media and could not replicate the issue. Sure enough, reinstalling my affected servers with good media solved the problem. cheers ed From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Oct 8 16:56:05 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 12:56:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <4346CDC3.9060501@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> < > <2e42bd9b05093012101bdb2297@mail.gmail.com> < > < > < > < > <36BDFA39-95F5-4F12-A6F6-314A9A0A034B@netday.org.za> <4346CDC3.9060501@hosef.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, October 7, 2005 at 3:34 PM +0000 wrote: >*mii-tool* (ha! you guys were so right. the switch light does lie) > >[root at kuhio-hosef ~]# mii-tool >eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok >eth1: negotiated 10baseT-FD flow-control, link ok mii-tool will not do gigabit....so if you have gigabit...use ethtool David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Oct 8 16:59:12 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 12:59:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <434708D5.7000604@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> < > <2e42bd9b05093012101bdb2297@mail.gmail.com> < > < > < > < > <36BDFA39-95F5-4F12-A6F6-314A9A0A034B@netday.org.za> < > <4346CDC3.9060501@hosef.org> < > < > <4346EB9A.7090604@hosef.org> < > <434708D5.7000604@hosef.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, October 7, 2005 at 7:46 PM +0000 wrote: >Is it possible that only Open Office could be affected in an unhealthy >network setting? Thanks for the suggestion. mii-tool already revealed >that the gig to gig connection was negotiated at 100Mbit. We'll have to >use iptraf now to observe utilization of the interface. > >Our DOE has recently closed ssh, so we have to time our observations and >assistance much more carefully. > >--scott mii-tool is outmoded....it is no longer the tool of choice.....use ethtool and you'll get more accurate results (man mii-tool will tell you this) simple usage is ethtool ethx David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Oct 8 17:02:38 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 13:02:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 (mii-tool obsolete) In-Reply-To: <43470B5A.5060707@paasda.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> < > <2e42bd9b05093012101bdb2297@mail.gmail.com> < > < > < > < > <36BDFA39-95F5-4F12-A6F6-314A9A0A034B@netday.org.za> < > <4346CDC3.9060501@hosef.org> < > < > <4346EB9A.7090604@hosef.org> < > < > <434708D5.7000604@hosef.org> <43470B5A.5060707@paasda.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, October 7, 2005 at 7:57 PM +0000 wrote: >will mii-tool show a gig-e nic to a gig-e switch that is feeding 100mb >connections as a gig-e connection? I don't know...it seems to me that it >should...but at the same time if the largest thing talking to it is >100mb .. blah I dunno the answer to this. > >--Huck no....mii-tool will not do gigabit....it is outdated...the following is from the top of the manpage for mii-tool NOTE This program is obsolete. Valid media are only 100baseT4, 100baseTx- FD,100baseTx-HD, 10baseT-FD and 10baseT-HD ethernet cards. For replace- ment check ethtool. I have used ethtool....it's installed with K12LTSP...and most other distros. Works fine and gives lots of useful info. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Oct 8 17:06:17 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 13:06:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Very cool things happening at my school In-Reply-To: <200510071439.j97Ed9f08197@downeast.net> References: <200510071439.j97Ed9f08197@downeast.net> Message-ID: That should be pretty cool...let me (us) know how it goes. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, October 7, 2005 at 8:29 AM +0000 wrote: >David: Out smbldap setup puts each class homedir in a seperate >directory...so Leung's script could be altered to automagically do an ls >of >the say 2005 directory..pgrep each users process, then kill -9 them..i >will add that to my ldapadmin soon as i can get a chance to roost for a >minute...chuck > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Sat Oct 8 19:27:52 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 13:27:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem opening my student's files that are created in OO. Message-ID: <43481DB8.1020507@elp.rr.com> Each week My students have to e-mail homework to me. One student who doesn't have Internet at home uses OO in my lab before school to do this work and attaches it to an e-mail to me. Where ever I try to open the attached OO document I get a request for a password. I have tried his login password and it doesn't work. I have asked him if he has password protected his files and he claims he hasn't. I have gone into his home folder from the server as root and the same thing happens. I have even gone into the permissions and given myself total access to no avail. The server is running OO 2.0 in K12LTSP 4.4.1. How do I go about unlocking his files? Thanks, Pat From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Oct 8 20:00:12 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 16:00:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem opening my student's files that are created in OO. In-Reply-To: <43481DB8.1020507@elp.rr.com> References: <43481DB8.1020507@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <1128801612.7423.9.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Sat, 2005-10-08 at 13:27 -0600, John P. Conlon wrote: > Each week My students have to e-mail homework to me. One student who > doesn't have Internet at home uses OO in my lab before school to do this > work and attaches it to an e-mail to me. Where ever I try to open the > attached OO document I get a request for a password. I have tried his > login password and it doesn't work. I have asked him if he has password > protected his files and he claims he hasn't. I have gone into his home > folder from the server as root and the same thing happens. I have even > gone into the permissions and given myself total access to no avail. > > The server is running OO 2.0 in K12LTSP 4.4.1. > > How do I go about unlocking his files? > > Thanks, > Pat Never seen this before; it sounds like an OO.o-specific thing. If it were me, I'd do the following. If he's saving his document as a .sxw, have him try saving as .odt. If he's saving in .odt, then try .sxw. If both give the same "gimme the password" results, then have him try it as a .rtf or .sdw (the original StarWriter format). I'm using OO.o 1.1.2 that comes w/ K12LTSP 4.2.1EL. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Peter From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Oct 9 03:39:25 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 23:39:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Record Software In-Reply-To: References: <200510061831.j96IVo1m002390@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <8C79A9A2DFE3F79-D98-14E85@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> Hi, You should all look at a package developed for the Manitoba School Board called Open Admin it'll blow the socks off anything else out there. norbert -----Original Message----- From: Todd O'Bryan To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 21:55:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Student Record Software I don't have a good answer, but I can emphatically state from personal experience that you should not go near STI with a ten foot pole. Todd On Oct 6, 2005, at 1:27 PM, Mark Sarria wrote: > I am doing some volunteer work for the school my son attends. It's > a Small > private elementary school. They have asked me to recommend a > Student Record > Program that will be able to maintain student information, print > attendance > reports, Grades in session (progress reports then final grades) and > so on, I > would like to know what you'll are using in your school Open Source > or not > is fine. > > Thank you for your input. > > --mark > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see __________________________________________________________________ Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and more. See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/ From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Oct 9 03:39:49 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 23:39:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Record Software In-Reply-To: References: <200510061831.j96IVo1m002390@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <8C79A9A3C186FC3-D98-14E88@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> Hi, You should all look at a package developed for the Manitoba School Board called Open Admin it'll blow the socks off anything else out there. norbert -----Original Message----- From: Todd O'Bryan To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 21:55:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Student Record Software I don't have a good answer, but I can emphatically state from personal experience that you should not go near STI with a ten foot pole. Todd On Oct 6, 2005, at 1:27 PM, Mark Sarria wrote: > I am doing some volunteer work for the school my son attends. It's > a Small > private elementary school. They have asked me to recommend a > Student Record > Program that will be able to maintain student information, print > attendance > reports, Grades in session (progress reports then final grades) and > so on, I > would like to know what you'll are using in your school Open Source > or not > is fine. > > Thank you for your input. > > --mark > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see __________________________________________________________________ Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! 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See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/ From robark at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 19:00:52 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 12:00:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM: disable open home on login In-Reply-To: <9bd317560510081421q744d70f7w8cb887eebd8ba53@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560510081421q744d70f7w8cb887eebd8ba53@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/8/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I'm sure this must have been covered somewhere but, does anyone know > how to prevent the home folder from opening upon login of IceWM? > Edit /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM for the line that calls nautilus add a -n switch nautilus -n & -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 19:07:25 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 15:07:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM: disable open home on login In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560510081421q744d70f7w8cb887eebd8ba53@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560510091207k45c09673ne7bfc15195f791f6@mail.gmail.com> That's so funny I just found it seconds before you wrote back. I think you responded psychically first. Does anyone have iDesk working? Thanks, Peter On 10/9/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 10/8/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > I'm sure this must have been covered somewhere but, does anyone know > > how to prevent the home folder from opening upon login of IceWM? > > > > Edit /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM > > for the line that calls nautilus add a -n switch > nautilus -n & > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Mon Oct 10 12:56:32 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:56:32 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Problem opening my student's files that are created in OO. In-Reply-To: <43481DB8.1020507@elp.rr.com> References: <43481DB8.1020507@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <200510100856.32385.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Saturday 08 October 2005 15:27, John P. Conlon wrote: > Each week My students have to e-mail homework to me. One student who > doesn't have Internet at home uses OO in my lab before school to do this > work and attaches it to an e-mail to me. Where ever I try to open the > attached OO document I get a request for a password. I have tried his > login password and it doesn't work. I have asked him if he has password > protected his files and he claims he hasn't. I have gone into his home > folder from the server as root and the same thing happens. I have even > gone into the permissions and given myself total access to no avail. > > The server is running OO 2.0 in K12LTSP 4.4.1. > > How do I go about unlocking his files? > We have seen two bugs in OpenOffice, one where if a student trys to save a file to a disk where he does not have write access the file ends up corrupted and one where if they create a new file in impress using the wizard the file ends up with a password (blank) even when not intended. You might want to pursue those two possiblities. -- Thanks, John From petre at maltzen.net Mon Oct 10 13:20:33 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:20:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM: disable open home on login In-Reply-To: <9bd317560510081421q744d70f7w8cb887eebd8ba53@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560510081421q744d70f7w8cb887eebd8ba53@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <434A6AA1.7060507@maltzen.net> See http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Turning%20off%20the%20automatic%20loading%20of%20Nautilus%20under%20IceWM near the bottom. Peter Hartmann wrote: > I'm sure this must have been covered somewhere but, does anyone know > how to prevent the home folder from opening upon login of IceWM? > > Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 13:55:30 2005 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:55:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Record Software In-Reply-To: <92de6c880510072015n5da60efbia5290eb97e0d2691@mail.gmail.com> References: <200510061831.j96IVo1m002390@mx1.redhat.com> <92de6c880510072015n5da60efbia5290eb97e0d2691@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/7/05, Tom Hoffman wrote: > On 10/7/05, Burke Almquist wrote: > > Schoolmation might fit that criteria. > > http://www.schoolmation.com/schoolmationweb/main/index.php > > As an aside, SchoolMation 2.0 isn't free software. The 1.x versions > were under the GPL, but they say they had some issues with other > companies (one in India, apparently) then reselling their code under > commercial licenses, which is prohibited under the GPL. Rather than > defending their rights, they punted and just gave up on free software. A little OT, but there is nothing in the GPL to prevent a company from reselling the code with a commercial license. I can take K12LTSP and sell it to whoever I like. Under the GPL, I have to give the same rights to the people I sell it to though. Now if the India company wasn't giving the buyers full access to the source code, then it would have a problem. -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ Education Blog - http://ryancollins.org/ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Oct 10 15:18:57 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:18:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Record Software In-Reply-To: References: <200510061831.j96IVo1m002390@mx1.redhat.com> <92de6c880510072015n5da60efbia5290eb97e0d2691@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1128957537.7423.112.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Mon, 2005-10-10 at 09:55 -0400, Ryan Collins wrote: > On 10/7/05, Tom Hoffman wrote: > > On 10/7/05, Burke Almquist wrote: > > > Schoolmation might fit that criteria. > > > http://www.schoolmation.com/schoolmationweb/main/index.php > > > > As an aside, SchoolMation 2.0 isn't free software. The 1.x versions > > were under the GPL, but they say they had some issues with other > > companies (one in India, apparently) then reselling their code under > > commercial licenses, which is prohibited under the GPL. Rather than > > defending their rights, they punted and just gave up on free software. > > A little OT, but there is nothing in the GPL to prevent a company from > reselling the code with a commercial license. I can take K12LTSP and > sell it to whoever I like. Under the GPL, I have to give the same > rights to the people I sell it to though. Now if the India company > wasn't giving the buyers full access to the source code, then it would > have a problem. > Not entirely accurate. Once GPL'd, always GPL'd, unless all copyright holders to all parts of the program agree otherwise. You cannot turn around and sell the program, in any form, under a different license other than the GPL, commercial or otherwise. It appears that you may be implying that you can do that. In short, that Indian company was in fact breaking the law unless it used explicitly and specifically the GPL. That's how it protects our freedom and why Microsoft hates it so much. And you're right; this is a little OT, but not entirely. Software Freedom is the reason for K12LTSP's existence and continued adoption and therefore merits discussion, even here. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 15:20:34 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:20:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] keduca locks up server! Message-ID: <9bd317560510100820j5b2fb23fob0eb99efe9f2a7c2@mail.gmail.com> Hey Eric, I made a post before about saving in keduca. I thought that it was just freezing gnome, but now I see it's a bit more serious. The whole server locks up when the kde panel for opening or saving is opened in keduca. Ouch!! I'm running Centos4 x86_64. I'm not sure if you tell what's going on without doing an install of Centos4 64bit yourself, which you probably don't have time to do. Anyway, I really hope you can help - I don't want to lose keduca. Here's what the command line says when I can finally stop the program altough this looks like a normal message to get after a force quit. I don't see any verbose mode to run it in. I'll try a source install later on. Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 5758, errno = 0 Thanks in advance! Peter On 10/1/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Is any one having this problem? When I go to save a test in keduca it > freezes up gnome until force quit popup happens a minute after I try > to exit. I'd really like to show this program to our teachers. Any > idea about fixing this? Running from the command line gives this > output after it quits: > > Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy > ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 5758, errno = 0 > > Thanks > From sbarar at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 15:34:50 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:04:50 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync In-Reply-To: <20051007171850.GD28421@fpcc.net> References: <57720.216.229.68.126.1128695532.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <20051007171850.GD28421@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <774593a20510100834n416ee459pccb5dcd1e591fdd8@mail.gmail.com> On 10/7/05, Calvin Dodge wrote: > I almost forgot: you may need to specify ssh as the transport mechanism. > > In that case, the command would be: > > rsync -av -e ssh /home/ server_1_ip:/home/ > > Calvin rsync -avzP -e ssh ip_of_source:/home / This will copy all (including sub-directories) from source to destination represented by the "/" If you are sitting at source then you need: rsync -avzP -e ssh /home ip_of_destination:/ man rsync for excellent information. Trailing "/" will not copy copy sub-directories. HTH Sudev Barar Learning Linux From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 15:40:26 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:40:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: keduca locks up server! In-Reply-To: <9bd317560510100820j5b2fb23fob0eb99efe9f2a7c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560510100820j5b2fb23fob0eb99efe9f2a7c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560510100840p4e7c8ecfyfdf4722ada6c7033@mail.gmail.com> Now that I really go through it. All of the kde Edutainment apps that can invoke the kde file manager do the same thing. Kde apps in the gnome Accessories menu are not affected. Little help! Thanks, Peter On 10/10/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey Eric, > I made a post before about saving in keduca. I thought that it was > just freezing gnome, but now I see it's a bit more serious. The whole > server locks up when the kde panel for opening or saving is opened in > keduca. Ouch!! I'm running Centos4 x86_64. I'm not sure if you tell > what's going on without doing an install of Centos4 64bit yourself, > which you probably don't have time to do. Anyway, I really hope you > can help - I don't want to lose keduca. Here's what the command line > says when I can finally stop the program altough this looks like a > normal message to get after a force quit. I don't see any verbose > mode to run it in. I'll try a source install later on. > > Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy > ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 5758, errno = 0 > > > > Thanks in advance! > Peter > > > > On 10/1/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Is any one having this problem? When I go to save a test in keduca it > > freezes up gnome until force quit popup happens a minute after I try > > to exit. I'd really like to show this program to our teachers. Any > > idea about fixing this? Running from the command line gives this > > output after it quits: > > > > Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy > > ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 5758, errno = 0 > > > > Thanks > > > From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 15:59:00 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:59:00 -0700 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Problem opening my student's files that are created in OO. In-Reply-To: <200510100856.32385.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> References: <43481DB8.1020507@elp.rr.com> <200510100856.32385.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: On 10/10/05, John Hansknecht wrote: > We have seen two bugs in OpenOffice, one where if a student trys to save a > file to a disk where he does not have write access the file ends up corrupted > and one where if they create a new file in impress using the wizard the file > ends up with a password (blank) even when not intended. You might want to > pursue those two possiblities. Thanks for the tips. Are those bugs in the OpenOffice bug tracking system yet? (I just tried to check, but it's so slow I couldn't get in.) - Dan From les at futuresource.com Mon Oct 10 16:06:15 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:06:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync In-Reply-To: <774593a20510100834n416ee459pccb5dcd1e591fdd8@mail.gmail.com> References: <57720.216.229.68.126.1128695532.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <20051007171850.GD28421@fpcc.net> <774593a20510100834n416ee459pccb5dcd1e591fdd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1128960374.25779.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-10-10 at 10:34, Sudev Barar wrote: > rsync -avzP -e ssh ip_of_source:/home / > > This will copy all (including sub-directories) from source to > destination represented by the "/" If you are sitting at source then > you need: > rsync -avzP -e ssh /home ip_of_destination:/ > > man rsync for excellent information. Trailing "/" will not copy copy > sub-directories. A trailing slash on the source directory name means that it won't create that name below the target path. Copying subdirectories below is controlled by the -a or -r options. I think the path/ convention is confusing so I always cd into the source directory and use '.' as the source name and give the full path for the target. It will still create the last element of the path if it doesn't exist. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Mon Oct 10 16:17:31 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:17:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync In-Reply-To: <1128960374.25779.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <57720.216.229.68.126.1128695532.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <20051007171850.GD28421@fpcc.net> <774593a20510100834n416ee459pccb5dcd1e591fdd8@mail.gmail.com> <1128960374.25779.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <434A941B.8080505@maltzen.net> My only hesitation about cd'ing into a directory and then doing something in that directory, instead of just doing the work using a fully qualified path to the directory, stems from a script that a colleague of mine wrote some years ago. The script would cd into the directory, then do a find for files older than one week, and delete them; it's purpose was to get rid of old log files for a particular app. However, I didn't know about the script, and one day removed the directory in question. The next time the script ran, while the cd failed, the find & remove did not fail and it began wiping out files from / on down, crashing the system. Ever since then, I always specify full paths in my scripts. Petre Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2005-10-10 at 10:34, Sudev Barar wrote: > > >>rsync -avzP -e ssh ip_of_source:/home / >> >>This will copy all (including sub-directories) from source to >>destination represented by the "/" If you are sitting at source then >>you need: >>rsync -avzP -e ssh /home ip_of_destination:/ >> >>man rsync for excellent information. Trailing "/" will not copy copy >>sub-directories. > > > A trailing slash on the source directory name means that it won't > create that name below the target path. Copying subdirectories below > is controlled by the -a or -r options. I think the path/ convention > is confusing so I always cd into the source directory and use '.' > as the source name and give the full path for the target. It will > still create the last element of the path if it doesn't exist. > From les at futuresource.com Mon Oct 10 17:07:36 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:07:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync In-Reply-To: <434A941B.8080505@maltzen.net> References: <57720.216.229.68.126.1128695532.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <20051007171850.GD28421@fpcc.net> <774593a20510100834n416ee459pccb5dcd1e591fdd8@mail.gmail.com> <1128960374.25779.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <434A941B.8080505@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1128964056.25779.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-10-10 at 11:17, Petre Scheie wrote: > My only hesitation about cd'ing into a directory and then doing something in that > directory, instead of just doing the work using a fully qualified path to the directory, > stems from a script that a colleague of mine wrote some years ago. The script would cd > into the directory, then do a find for files older than one week, and delete them; it's > purpose was to get rid of old log files for a particular app. However, I didn't know > about the script, and one day removed the directory in question. The next time the > script ran, while the cd failed, the find & remove did not fail and it began wiping out > files from / on down, crashing the system. Ever since then, I always specify full paths > in my scripts. The original bourne sh used to exit on a failed cd in a script just to prevent that sort of thing, but it was changed later and bash has never done it. However the 'right' way is to check for errors on a cd, like cd somewhere || exit 2 ..rest of script... The || is a 'logical or' and executes if the statement to the left fails (returns non-zero). Or if you can do your work in one line, reverse it: cd somewhere && do_something_in_directory Statements to the right of && 'logical and' only execute if the one to the left succeeds (returns zero). Or if you like to be more verbose you can test the value of $? after any statement to determine success or failure. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Mon Oct 10 18:11:33 2005 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:11:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu LTSP cannot authenticating to LDAP through GDM, but works with ssh Message-ID: I am trying to setup a LTSP server with Breezy that authenticates to LDAP and mounts home drives from a different server. When I use GDM to login I cannot login to the server, but if I secure shell to the server using ldap authentication it authenticates and mounts the home drive from the other server with nfs. What do you have to do to the GDM config files tell it to use LDAP authentication or what did I not configure in my pam files to allow this to work? Thanks -Glenn From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Oct 10 19:10:38 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:10:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu LTSP cannot authenticating to LDAP through GDM, but works with ssh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <434ABCAE.8090607@mesd.k12.or.us> Glenn Arnold wrote: > I am trying to setup a LTSP server with Breezy that authenticates to > LDAP and mounts home drives from a different server. When I use GDM to > login I cannot login to the server, but if I secure shell to the server > using ldap authentication it authenticates and mounts the home drive > from the other server with nfs. What do you have to do to the GDM config > files tell it to use LDAP authentication or what did I not configure in > my pam files to allow this to work? What does /etc/pam.d/gdm look like? -- Dan Young System Adminstrator Multnomah ESD - Network Services 503-257-1562 From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Mon Oct 10 19:13:17 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:13:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu LTSP cannot authenticating to LDAP through GDM, but works with ssh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <434ABD4D.8070901@stmarys-school.org> Glenn Arnold wrote: > I am trying to setup a LTSP server with Breezy that authenticates to > LDAP and mounts home drives from a different server. When I use GDM to > login I cannot login to the server, but if I secure shell to the server > using ldap authentication it authenticates and mounts the home drive > from the other server with nfs. What do you have to do to the GDM config > files tell it to use LDAP authentication or what did I not configure in > my pam files to allow this to work? > > Thanks > -Glenn > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Glenn, Take a look at the following link near the bottom of the page. http://www.usefulinc.com/edd/blog/contents/2005/09/25-ldap/read I have been experimenting with Ubuntu for about a month now. Not ready to make the big switch at school yet but it's looking good. I was wondering if there are issues with share /home with Fedora and Ubuntu being the directory structure is not the same on the two. John From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Mon Oct 10 19:20:39 2005 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:20:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu LTSP cannot authenticating to LDAP through GDM, but works with ssh Message-ID: Here is the config files. # /etc/nsswitch.conf # # Example configuration of GNU Name Service Switch functionality. # If you have the `glibc-doc' and `info' packages installed, try: # `info libc "Name Service Switch"' for information about this file. passwd: ldap files group: ldap files shadow: ldap files hosts: files dns networks: files protocols: db files services: db files ethers: db files rpc: db files netgroup: nis # # /etc/pam.d/common-account - authorization settings common to all services # # This file is included from other service-specific PAM config files, # and should contain a list of the authorization modules that define # the central access policy for use on the system. The default is to # only deny service to users whose accounts are expired in /etc/shadow. # account sufficient pam_ldap.so account required pam_unix.so # # /etc/pam.d/common-auth - authentication settings common to all services # # This file is included from other service-specific PAM config files, # and should contain a list of the authentication modules that define # the central authentication scheme for use on the system # (e.g., /etc/shadow, LDAP, Kerberos, etc.). The default is to use the # traditional Unix authentication mechanisms. # auth sufficient pam_ldap.so auth required pam_unix.so nullok_secure # # /etc/pam.d/common-password - password-related modules common to all services # # This file is included from other service-specific PAM config files, # and should contain a list of modules that define the services to be #used to change user passwords. The default is pam_unix # The "nullok" option allows users to change an empty password, else # empty passwords are treated as locked accounts. # # (Add `md5' after the module name to enable MD5 passwords) # # The "obscure" option replaces the old `OBSCURE_CHECKS_ENAB' option in # login.defs. Also the "min" and "max" options enforce the length of the # new password. password sufficient pam_ldap.so password required pam_unix.so nullok obscure min=4 max=8 md5 # # /etc/pam.d/common-session - session-related modules common to all services # # This file is included from other service-specific PAM config files, # and should contain a list of modules that define tasks to be performed # at the start and end of sessions of *any* kind (both interactive and # non-interactive). The default is pam_unix. # session sufficient pam_ldap.so session required pam_unix.so #%PAM-1.0 GDM #auth sufficient pam_ldap.so auth requisite pam_nologin.so auth required pam_env.so auth required pam_unix_auth.so auth sufficient pam_ldap.so use_first_pass @include common-auth @include common-account account sufficient pam_ldap.so account required pam_unix_acct.so #password required pam_ldap.so #session sufficient pam_ldap.so #session required pam_unix_session.so session required pam_limits.so session optional pam_ldap.so @include common-session @include common-password Thanks -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Dan Young [mailto:dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 3:11 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Ubuntu LTSP cannot authenticating to LDAP through GDM,but works with ssh Glenn Arnold wrote: > I am trying to setup a LTSP server with Breezy that authenticates to > LDAP and mounts home drives from a different server. When I use GDM to > login I cannot login to the server, but if I secure shell to the server > using ldap authentication it authenticates and mounts the home drive > from the other server with nfs. What do you have to do to the GDM config > files tell it to use LDAP authentication or what did I not configure in > my pam files to allow this to work? What does /etc/pam.d/gdm look like? -- Dan Young System Adminstrator Multnomah ESD - Network Services 503-257-1562 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Mon Oct 10 19:33:04 2005 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:33:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu LTSP cannot authenticating to LDAP through GDM, but works with ssh Message-ID: Yes, I have read this article and is one of them I was using to configure this. Well when comes to mounting the home directory from my RHES 3.0 server it mounts fine without any problems. I do not know what might happen once I get to login into gnome, but we will see. -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: John Baillie [mailto:jbaillie at stmarys-school.org] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 3:13 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Ubuntu LTSP cannot authenticating to LDAP through GDM,but works with ssh Glenn Arnold wrote: > I am trying to setup a LTSP server with Breezy that authenticates to > LDAP and mounts home drives from a different server. When I use GDM to > login I cannot login to the server, but if I secure shell to the server > using ldap authentication it authenticates and mounts the home drive > from the other server with nfs. What do you have to do to the GDM config > files tell it to use LDAP authentication or what did I not configure in > my pam files to allow this to work? > > Thanks > -Glenn > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Glenn, Take a look at the following link near the bottom of the page. http://www.usefulinc.com/edd/blog/contents/2005/09/25-ldap/read I have been experimenting with Ubuntu for about a month now. Not ready to make the big switch at school yet but it's looking good. I was wondering if there are issues with share /home with Fedora and Ubuntu being the directory structure is not the same on the two. John _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From thepiano at telenet.be Mon Oct 10 19:55:27 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:55:27 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] OOO 2 and Centos Message-ID: Hello, does anyone knows where to find a RC build for OOO on the K12LTSP-EL version? so for centos 4? Kevin From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Mon Oct 10 21:19:14 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:19:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OOO 2 and Centos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <434ADAD2.5030601@stmarys-school.org> Kevin, We are using K12LTSP-EL. We downloaded the rpms from openoffice.org. http://download.openoffice.org/2.0.0rc/index.html The download is a tar.gz file but it contains the rpms. You will have to tweek it a little to get the defaults to save in MS format and bypass the the registration routine for each user. John Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Hello, > > does anyone knows where to find a RC build for OOO on the K12LTSP-EL > version? > so for centos 4? > > Kevin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From xwraithanx at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 22:45:28 2005 From: xwraithanx at gmail.com (Chris McDonald) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:45:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Inspiron 2200 and FC4 Message-ID: <7822ca0d0510101545t24513e86y16926dbc9f7b4058@mail.gmail.com> I have a Inspiron 2200 and would like to install FC4 on it, but I would hate to lose my wireless cabiblities. "Dell Wireless 1370 WLAN Mini-PCI C" is the wireless card I have. I tried to search on this, and didn't come up with much. Thanks for any help (I have very limited experience with Linux, but I know how to get around/install stuff if needed.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wescott at sc.rr.com Mon Oct 10 23:13:33 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:13:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Inspiron 2200 and FC4 In-Reply-To: <7822ca0d0510101545t24513e86y16926dbc9f7b4058@mail.gmail.com> References: <7822ca0d0510101545t24513e86y16926dbc9f7b4058@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1128986013.16273.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-10-10 at 15:45 -0700, Chris McDonald wrote: > I have a Inspiron 2200 and would like to install FC4 on it, but I > would hate to lose my wireless cabiblities. "Dell Wireless 1370 WLAN > Mini-PCI C" is the wireless card I have. I tried to search on this, > and didn't come up with much. Thanks for any help (I have very limited > experience with Linux, but I know how to get around/install stuff if > needed.) Try "lspci" or "lspci -v" and see what lspci calls it. Then google that. From nbs at sonic.net Mon Oct 10 23:19:15 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:19:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP guinea pigs for Tux Paint? Message-ID: <20051010231915.GA19747@sonic.net> In the next few weeks, I hope to finally get Tux Paint 0.9.15 out the door. I was wondering if any K12LTSP users out here would be willing to try out what's currently in CVS and give me your feedback. You can learn how to get it from here: http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/download/source/#cvs Feel free to contact me directly, or post your comments/issues to either the 'tuxpaint-devel' or 'tuxpaint-users' mailing list. (See http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/list/ ) Thanks in advance! :) -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Oct 10 23:29:04 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:29:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Inspiron 2200 and FC4 In-Reply-To: <7822ca0d0510101545t24513e86y16926dbc9f7b4058@mail.gmail.com> References: <7822ca0d0510101545t24513e86y16926dbc9f7b4058@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <434AF940.1020509@mesd.k12.or.us> Chris McDonald wrote: > I have a Inspiron 2200 and would like to install FC4 on it, but I would > hate to lose my wireless cabiblities. "Dell Wireless 1370 WLAN Mini-PCI > C" is the wireless card I have. I tried to search on this, and didn't > come up with much. Thanks for any help (I have very limited experience > with Linux, but I know how to get around/install stuff if needed.) I think the 1370 is a re-branded Broadcom adapter. If so, your options are: 1. No wireless 2. ndiswrapper 3. Acquire a different wireless card (Intel 2200 or Atheros-based cards are good choices if you don't mind getting the binary firmware; Newegg.com has the Intel mini-PCI for $27 USD.) -- Dan Young System Adminstrator Multnomah ESD - Network Services 503-257-1562 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Oct 10 23:47:50 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:47:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP guinea pigs for Tux Paint? In-Reply-To: <20051010231915.GA19747@sonic.net> References: <20051010231915.GA19747@sonic.net> Message-ID: <434AFDA6.4070104@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Bill Kendrick wrote: > In the next few weeks, I hope to finally get Tux Paint 0.9.15 out the door. > I was wondering if any K12LTSP users out here would be willing to try out > what's currently in CVS and give me your feedback. > > You can learn how to get it from here: > > http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/download/source/#cvs > > Feel free to contact me directly, or post your comments/issues to > either the 'tuxpaint-devel' or 'tuxpaint-users' mailing list. > (See http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/list/ ) > > Thanks in advance! :) > I built a FC4/K12LTSP 4.4 package of this for those brave enough to try it (my package has roughly 30 seconds worth of quality assurance ;-) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/tuxpaint-0.9.15-0.k12ltsp.4.4.1.i386.rpm -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From xwraithanx at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 01:15:39 2005 From: xwraithanx at gmail.com (Chris McDonald) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:15:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Inspiron 2200 and FC4 In-Reply-To: <434AF940.1020509@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <7822ca0d0510101545t24513e86y16926dbc9f7b4058@mail.gmail.com> <434AF940.1020509@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <7822ca0d0510101815h6a20ed8bo96a3e3eae822266e@mail.gmail.com> Well no wireless is not an option, I use it all day at school. I dont know what a ndiswrapper is. And would hate to buy a wireless card when I already have one. I will attempt the lspci thing when i get more time, I have math class starting in liek 10 mins ago. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thepiano at telenet.be Tue Oct 11 04:36:22 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 06:36:22 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] OOO 2 and Centos In-Reply-To: <434ADAD2.5030601@stmarys-school.org> References: <434ADAD2.5030601@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <689BA0F2-556F-4A46-81DB-93DE7E609CE1@telenet.be> Do you have tips regarding the tweaks? Kevin Op 10-okt-05, om 23:19 heeft John Baillie het volgende geschreven: > Kevin, > > We are using K12LTSP-EL. > > We downloaded the rpms from openoffice.org. > http://download.openoffice.org/2.0.0rc/index.html > The download is a tar.gz file but it contains the rpms. > > You will have to tweek it a little to get the defaults to save in > MS format and bypass the the registration routine for each user. > > John > > > > Kevin Verheyen wrote: > >> Hello, >> does anyone knows where to find a RC build for OOO on the K12LTSP- >> EL version? >> so for centos 4? >> Kevin >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From trond at mahlum.biz Tue Oct 11 06:06:57 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:06:57 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP guinea pigs for Tux Paint? In-Reply-To: <434AFDA6.4070104@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20051010231915.GA19747@sonic.net> <434AFDA6.4070104@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1129010817.13174.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> man, 10,.10.2005 kl. 16.47 -0700, skrev Eric Harrison: > Bill Kendrick wrote: > > In the next few weeks, I hope to finally get Tux Paint 0.9.15 out the door. > > I was wondering if any K12LTSP users out here would be willing to try out > > what's currently in CVS and give me your feedback. > > > > You can learn how to get it from here: > > > > http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/download/source/#cvs > > > > Feel free to contact me directly, or post your comments/issues to > > either the 'tuxpaint-devel' or 'tuxpaint-users' mailing list. > > (See http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/list/ ) > > > > Thanks in advance! :) > > > > I built a FC4/K12LTSP 4.4 package of this for those brave enough to try > it (my package has roughly 30 seconds worth of quality assurance ;-) > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/tuxpaint-0.9.15-0.k12ltsp.4.4.1.i386.rpm Cool! Now a question on the side. Would it be possible to build a new rpm of TuxMath as well? I notice that TuxMath in 4.4 is still the alpha-version, am I right? I downloaded Edubuntu and installed it, and noticed that the TuxMath there is not alpha. It also has a working options screen. Possible? Regards Trond Maehlum > > > -Eric > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From nbs at sonic.net Tue Oct 11 06:10:23 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:10:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP guinea pigs for Tux Paint? In-Reply-To: <1129010817.13174.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20051010231915.GA19747@sonic.net> <434AFDA6.4070104@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1129010817.13174.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20051011061023.GA4122@sonic.net> On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 08:06:57AM +0200, Trond M?hlum wrote: > Cool! Now a question on the side. Would it be possible to build a new > rpm of TuxMath as well? I notice that TuxMath in 4.4 is still the > alpha-version, am I right? I downloaded Edubuntu and installed it, and > noticed that the TuxMath there is not alpha. It also has a working > options screen. Someone's been pulling from CVS! ;) http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxmath/download/ I'd love to get off my butt and finish that darned game. :^/ Feedback is very welcome!!! -bill! From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Oct 11 14:43:35 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:43:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Inspiron 2200 and FC4 In-Reply-To: <7822ca0d0510101815h6a20ed8bo96a3e3eae822266e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7822ca0d0510101545t24513e86y16926dbc9f7b4058@mail.gmail.com> <434AF940.1020509@mesd.k12.or.us> <7822ca0d0510101815h6a20ed8bo96a3e3eae822266e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <434BCF97.1040509@mesd.k12.or.us> Chris McDonald wrote: > Well no wireless is not an option, I use it all day at school. I dont > know what a ndiswrapper is. And would hate to buy a wireless card when I > already have one. I will attempt the lspci thing when i get more time, I > have math class starting in liek 10 mins ago. http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/ "Some vendors do not release specifications of the hardware or provide a linux driver for their wireless network cards. This project implements Windows kernel API and NDIS (Network Driver Interface Specification) API within Linux kernel. A Windows driver for wireless network card is then linked to this implementation so that the driver runs natively, as though it is in Windows, without binary emulation." -- Dan Young System Adminstrator Multnomah ESD - Network Services 503-257-1562 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Oct 11 15:09:35 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:09:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu LTSP cannot authenticating to LDAP through GDM, =?ISO-8859-1?Q? but_?= works wit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Glenn, What are you using to set up the authentication? Is LDAP running locally or on another server? In Fedora/RH...one can simply use authconfig....what are you using for Ubuntu? Are you doing it manually and if so....can you outline the steps? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Oct 11 15:17:34 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:17:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP guinea pigs for Tux Paint? In-Reply-To: <20051011061023.GA4122@sonic.net> References: <20051010231915.GA19747@sonic.net> <434AFDA6.4070104@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1129010817.13174.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20051011061023.GA4122@sonic.net> Message-ID: <434BD78E.3000602@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 08:06:57AM +0200, Trond M?hlum wrote: > >>Cool! Now a question on the side. Would it be possible to build a new >>rpm of TuxMath as well? I notice that TuxMath in 4.4 is still the >>alpha-version, am I right? I downloaded Edubuntu and installed it, and >>noticed that the TuxMath there is not alpha. It also has a working >>options screen. > > > Someone's been pulling from CVS! ;) > > http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxmath/download/ > > I'd love to get off my butt and finish that darned game. :^/ > Feedback is very welcome!!! > > -bill! > *clickity* *clickity* *click* Ok, here's a FC4/K12LTSP 4.4 test package of the tuxmath CVS... ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/tuxmath-0.2005.10.11-0.k12ltsp.4.4.1.i386.rpm -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Oct 11 15:20:39 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:20:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: keduca locks up server! In-Reply-To: <9bd317560510100840p4e7c8ecfyfdf4722ada6c7033@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560510100820j5b2fb23fob0eb99efe9f2a7c2@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510100840p4e7c8ecfyfdf4722ada6c7033@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <434BD847.5030905@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I don't have CentOS4 x86_64 running anywhere nor have a spare x86_64 machine at the moment. I'll see what I can do about freeing up some space on my Athlon64 laptop... -Eric Peter Hartmann wrote: > Now that I really go through it. All of the kde Edutainment apps that > can invoke the kde file manager do the same thing. Kde apps in the > gnome Accessories menu are not affected. > > > Little help! > > Thanks, > Peter > > On 10/10/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > >>Hey Eric, >> I made a post before about saving in keduca. I thought that it was >>just freezing gnome, but now I see it's a bit more serious. The whole >>server locks up when the kde panel for opening or saving is opened in >>keduca. Ouch!! I'm running Centos4 x86_64. I'm not sure if you tell >>what's going on without doing an install of Centos4 64bit yourself, >>which you probably don't have time to do. Anyway, I really hope you >>can help - I don't want to lose keduca. Here's what the command line >>says when I can finally stop the program altough this looks like a >>normal message to get after a force quit. I don't see any verbose >>mode to run it in. I'll try a source install later on. >> >>Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy >>ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 5758, errno = 0 >> >> >> >>Thanks in advance! >>Peter >> >> >> >>On 10/1/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: >> >>>Is any one having this problem? When I go to save a test in keduca it >>>freezes up gnome until force quit popup happens a minute after I try >>>to exit. I'd really like to show this program to our teachers. Any >>>idea about fixing this? Running from the command line gives this >>>output after it quits: >>> >>>Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy >>>ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 5758, errno = 0 >>> >>>Thanks >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 15:26:04 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:26:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: keduca locks up server! In-Reply-To: <434BD847.5030905@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <9bd317560510100820j5b2fb23fob0eb99efe9f2a7c2@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510100840p4e7c8ecfyfdf4722ada6c7033@mail.gmail.com> <434BD847.5030905@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <9bd317560510110826jff7d56if261c963cc856dc4@mail.gmail.com> Thank you SO much! Peter On 10/11/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > I don't have CentOS4 x86_64 running anywhere nor have a spare x86_64 > machine at the moment. I'll see what I can do about freeing up some > space on my Athlon64 laptop... > > -Eric > > Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Now that I really go through it. All of the kde Edutainment apps that > > can invoke the kde file manager do the same thing. Kde apps in the > > gnome Accessories menu are not affected. > > > > > > Little help! > > > > Thanks, > > Peter > > > > On 10/10/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > >>Hey Eric, > >> I made a post before about saving in keduca. I thought that it was > >>just freezing gnome, but now I see it's a bit more serious. The whole > >>server locks up when the kde panel for opening or saving is opened in > >>keduca. Ouch!! I'm running Centos4 x86_64. I'm not sure if you tell > >>what's going on without doing an install of Centos4 64bit yourself, > >>which you probably don't have time to do. Anyway, I really hope you > >>can help - I don't want to lose keduca. Here's what the command line > >>says when I can finally stop the program altough this looks like a > >>normal message to get after a force quit. I don't see any verbose > >>mode to run it in. I'll try a source install later on. > >> > >>Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy > >>ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 5758, errno = 0 > >> > >> > >> > >>Thanks in advance! > >>Peter > >> > >> > >> > >>On 10/1/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > >> > >>>Is any one having this problem? When I go to save a test in keduca it > >>>freezes up gnome until force quit popup happens a minute after I try > >>>to exit. I'd really like to show this program to our teachers. Any > >>>idea about fixing this? Running from the command line gives this > >>>output after it quits: > >>> > >>>Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy > >>>ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 5758, errno = 0 > >>> > >>>Thanks > >>> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From johnny at msad41.us Tue Oct 11 15:44:34 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:44:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] hp t5125LI on CentOS 4.2.1 EL Message-ID: <1129045474.434bdde2f311d@www.msad41.us> Could anyone help with an X video issue that I'm having...the server is K12LTSP 4.2.1 EL Final and the terminals are HP t5125LI's with VIA S3 graphics cards, USB mice and keyboards...the displays are NEC Accusync LCD5V's....at the login screen there will be a very thin 4 or 5 inch line on the display but will log in with a perfectly clear desktop...when I run an app it will go for a few seconds and then show a series of small 'vertically lined' small square boxes and then it will freeze the terminal.....originally I got an X error message (which mentioned needing a newer X version which I assumed was not the problem :-() but that no longer appears at log in.... John John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 16:18:00 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:18:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] hp t5125LI on CentOS 4.2.1 EL In-Reply-To: <1129045474.434bdde2f311d@www.msad41.us> References: <1129045474.434bdde2f311d@www.msad41.us> Message-ID: <9bd317560510110918v767cc064u753a4898a6ff8276@mail.gmail.com> Are you using XSERVER = XF86_S3 for your terminal in lts.conf? Peter On 10/11/05, John T. Leonard wrote: > Could anyone help with an X video issue that I'm having...the server is K12LTSP > 4.2.1 EL Final and the terminals are HP t5125LI's with VIA S3 graphics cards, > USB mice and keyboards...the displays are NEC Accusync LCD5V's....at the login > screen there will be a very thin 4 or 5 inch line on the display but will log in > with a perfectly clear desktop...when I run an app it will go for a few seconds > and then show a series of small 'vertically lined' small square boxes and then > it will freeze the terminal.....originally I got an X error message (which > mentioned needing a newer X version which I assumed was not the problem :-() but > that no longer appears at log in.... > > John > > John T. Leonard > Technology Coordinator > MSAD No. 41 > Penquis Valley HS/MS > 48 Penquis Drive > Milo, Maine 04463 > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > Ph:207-943-5332 > Fax:207-943-0962 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From caldodge at fpcc.net Tue Oct 11 17:24:50 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:24:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with 4.4.1, nas, SDL Message-ID: <20051011172450.GB18709@fpcc.net> Hi, I've been having a problem with network sound since upgrading to 4.4.1 (from 4.2, so I assume it's an issue with 4.4.0, too). I'd previously set the clients up with nasd as their sound server, and sound worked fine. After the upgrade, the SDL-enabled programs (gcompris, childsplay, playwave) no longer work. I know the libaudiooss library is still being used, since I get error messages from it if I delete the ":0.0" from the end of the AUDIOSERVER environmental variable. But when AUDIOSERVER is the normal value (workstation name plus ":0.0"), the above-mentioned programs simply state that they can't open the sound device. This is true of both my home system (an upgrade from 4.2) and a client's system (a fresh 4.4.1 install). FWIW, ltsp_esound_i386 and ltsp_esound_server are installed, and LD_PRELOAD _is_ being set to /lib/libaudiooss.so.1.0. Auplay works, and so do ogg321 and mpg321 (when using "oss" as the output device), so I know the sound hardware and nasd server on the workstation are OK. Does anyone have a clue as to what can be wrong? Since an strace on gcompris show's it's querying port 16001 on the workstation, should I just switch the default sound daemon to esd? Thanks in advance, Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From johnny at msad41.us Tue Oct 11 17:31:52 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:31:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] hp t5125LI on CentOS 4.2.1 EL In-Reply-To: <9bd317560510110918v767cc064u753a4898a6ff8276@mail.gmail.com> References: <1129045474.434bdde2f311d@www.msad41.us> <9bd317560510110918v767cc064u753a4898a6ff8276@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1129051912.434bf708844ce@www.msad41.us> Quoting Peter Hartmann : > Are you using XSERVER = XF86_S3 for your terminal in lts.conf? > > > Peter > > On 10/11/05, John T. Leonard wrote: > > Could anyone help with an X video issue that I'm having...the server is > K12LTSP > > 4.2.1 EL Final and the terminals are HP t5125LI's with VIA S3 graphics > cards, > > USB mice and keyboards...the displays are NEC Accusync LCD5V's....at the > login > > screen there will be a very thin 4 or 5 inch line on the display but will > log in > > with a perfectly clear desktop...when I run an app it will go for a few > seconds > > and then show a series of small 'vertically lined' small square boxes and > then > > it will freeze the terminal.....originally I got an X error message > (which > > mentioned needing a newer X version which I assumed was not the problem > :-() but > > that no longer appears at log in.... No....it's still set to 'auto' ...do you think I need to specify it specifically for each of those terminals? John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 17:35:24 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:35:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] hp t5125LI on CentOS 4.2.1 EL In-Reply-To: <1129051912.434bf708844ce@www.msad41.us> References: <1129045474.434bdde2f311d@www.msad41.us> <9bd317560510110918v767cc064u753a4898a6ff8276@mail.gmail.com> <1129051912.434bf708844ce@www.msad41.us> Message-ID: <9bd317560510111035y4dbeafadu7e10ebcf532daa42@mail.gmail.com> The via s3 chipset on my hp laptop needs that setting. I'll bet you need it too. Peter On 10/11/05, John T. Leonard wrote: > Quoting Peter Hartmann : > > > Are you using XSERVER = XF86_S3 for your terminal in lts.conf? > > > > > > Peter > > > > On 10/11/05, John T. Leonard wrote: > > > Could anyone help with an X video issue that I'm having...the server is > > K12LTSP > > > 4.2.1 EL Final and the terminals are HP t5125LI's with VIA S3 graphics > > cards, > > > USB mice and keyboards...the displays are NEC Accusync LCD5V's....at the > > login > > > screen there will be a very thin 4 or 5 inch line on the display but will > > log in > > > with a perfectly clear desktop...when I run an app it will go for a few > > seconds > > > and then show a series of small 'vertically lined' small square boxes and > > then > > > it will freeze the terminal.....originally I got an X error message > > (which > > > mentioned needing a newer X version which I assumed was not the problem > > :-() but > > > that no longer appears at log in.... > > No....it's still set to 'auto' ...do you think I need to specify it specifically > for each of those terminals? > > John T. Leonard > Technology Coordinator > MSAD No. 41 > Penquis Valley HS/MS > 48 Penquis Drive > Milo, Maine 04463 > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > Ph:207-943-5332 > Fax:207-943-0962 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From johnny at msad41.us Tue Oct 11 17:46:45 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:46:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] hp t5125LI on CentOS 4.2.1 EL In-Reply-To: <9bd317560510111035y4dbeafadu7e10ebcf532daa42@mail.gmail.com> References: <1129045474.434bdde2f311d@www.msad41.us> <9bd317560510110918v767cc064u753a4898a6ff8276@mail.gmail.com> <1129051912.434bf708844ce@www.msad41.us> <9bd317560510111035y4dbeafadu7e10ebcf532daa42@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1129052805.434bfa85083d8@www.msad41.us> Quoting Peter Hartmann : > The via s3 chipset on my hp laptop needs that setting. I'll bet you > need it too. > > Peter > Ok...I'll give it a try...thank you Peter...J John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Tue Oct 11 18:18:29 2005 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:18:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu LTSP cannot authenticating to LDAP through GDM, but works wit Message-ID: No, the ldap server is not local. I am connecting my edubuntu breezy ltsp server to my RHES 3.0 ldap server. If it was Red Hat I would of probably had this done with RedHat authconfig. ;-) But, I like Edubuntu's Desktop better and I was following these web link to manually setup ldap as a client http://craige.mcwhirter.com.au/blog/archive/2005/01/17/making_a_debian_o r_ubuntu_mach. -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: David Trask [mailto:dtrask at vcsvikings.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:10 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Ubuntu LTSP cannot authenticating to LDAP through GDM, but works wit Glenn, What are you using to set up the authentication? Is LDAP running locally or on another server? In Fedora/RH...one can simply use authconfig....what are you using for Ubuntu? Are you doing it manually and if so....can you outline the steps? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From tlegge at rogers.com Tue Oct 11 18:29:59 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Software questions Message-ID: <20051011182959.86328.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi I have been asked about software for creating banners, Posters. I imagine that they must want something less professional than Scribus. Any ideas? Tim From trond at mahlum.biz Tue Oct 11 18:33:40 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:33:40 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] NX client on terminal + local apps In-Reply-To: <1128606742.6337.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4342A881.800@floresinternacional.cl> <1128606742.6337.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1129055620.6103.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Two questions. It's been a while since I played around with NX. I made it work with freenx on the server, following the readme bundled with the ltsp-nx package provided by Gideon Romm. Now I'm at it again, but this time my server is running the commercial NoMachine server. Now it won't work. I have SCREEN_01= startnx, and I do get the NoMachine login screen on the terminal. But I can't login. It seems that the readme doesn't apply anymore, as in the files aren't where they're supposed to be. I suspect that ssh-keys are the reason I can't get it to work. Has anyone gotten a terminal to boot to a nx-login and actually make a login to a NoMachine server? My reason for trying this, is to lower my bandwidth needs a bit, as we have a large number of clients at our schools. Another approach would be to try running some apps like firefox, and/or tuxmath as local apps. This seems a bit complicated to set up. Is it? Has anybody done this? In Norway I know that people are working with something called lessdisk and Debian to accomplish apps running on the terminals. They call it "Half-thick" clients. This also seems very complicated to set up, if you dont't buy it installed and configured from a dealer. Some tips on nxclient and/or local apps? Regards Trond Maehlum From nbs at sonic.net Tue Oct 11 18:41:13 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:41:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Software questions In-Reply-To: <20051011182959.86328.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20051011182959.86328.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051011184113.GA5699@sonic.net> On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 02:29:59PM -0400, Timothy Legge wrote: > Hi > > I have been asked about software for creating banners, > Posters. > > I imagine that they must want something less > professional than Scribus. Any ideas? I get the idea that I should've finished Tux Print years ago. ;) D'oh! -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From rstewart at iccpartners.com Tue Oct 11 20:03:11 2005 From: rstewart at iccpartners.com (Rondall Stewart) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:03:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NX client on terminal + local apps Message-ID: Check out http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/ThIndex. I am only in the "Playing around" phase But I have used thinstation to create boot cd's connect to NX. Rondall Stewart Technical Team Leader ICC Technology Partners (606)886-8447 ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Trond M?hlum Sent: Tue 10/11/2005 2:33 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] NX client on terminal + local apps Two questions. It's been a while since I played around with NX. I made it work with freenx on the server, following the readme bundled with the ltsp-nx package provided by Gideon Romm. Now I'm at it again, but this time my server is running the commercial NoMachine server. Now it won't work. I have SCREEN_01= startnx, and I do get the NoMachine login screen on the terminal. But I can't login. It seems that the readme doesn't apply anymore, as in the files aren't where they're supposed to be. I suspect that ssh-keys are the reason I can't get it to work. Has anyone gotten a terminal to boot to a nx-login and actually make a login to a NoMachine server? My reason for trying this, is to lower my bandwidth needs a bit, as we have a large number of clients at our schools. Another approach would be to try running some apps like firefox, and/or tuxmath as local apps. This seems a bit complicated to set up. Is it? Has anybody done this? In Norway I know that people are working with something called lessdisk and Debian to accomplish apps running on the terminals. They call it "Half-thick" clients. This also seems very complicated to set up, if you dont't buy it installed and configured from a dealer. Some tips on nxclient and/or local apps? Regards Trond Maehlum _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 5192 bytes Desc: not available URL: From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Tue Oct 11 20:11:42 2005 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:11:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu LTSP cannot authenticating to LDAP through GDM, but works wit Message-ID: I figured it out. For some reason the order of the nsswitch.conf needs to be different I had the nsswitch.conf like the following: passwd: ldap files group: ldap files shadow: ldap files needs to be switched to the following. passwd: files ldap shadow: files ldap group: files ldap After I changed this it worked. I will send my config files when I get them tweaked the way I like it. -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Arnold Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:18 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Ubuntu LTSP cannot authenticating to LDAP through GDM,but works wit No, the ldap server is not local. I am connecting my edubuntu breezy ltsp server to my RHES 3.0 ldap server. If it was Red Hat I would of probably had this done with RedHat authconfig. ;-) But, I like Edubuntu's Desktop better and I was following these web link to manually setup ldap as a client http://craige.mcwhirter.com.au/blog/archive/2005/01/17/making_a_debian_o r_ubuntu_mach. -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: David Trask [mailto:dtrask at vcsvikings.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:10 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Ubuntu LTSP cannot authenticating to LDAP through GDM, but works wit Glenn, What are you using to set up the authentication? Is LDAP running locally or on another server? In Fedora/RH...one can simply use authconfig....what are you using for Ubuntu? Are you doing it manually and if so....can you outline the steps? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Oct 11 20:24:15 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:24:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Inspiron 2200 and FC4 Message-ID: <2456de24496b.24496b2456de@texas.rr.com> Would this work for an Inspirion 6000 that does not have a wireless NIC? Thanks Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Young Date: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 8:43 am Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Inspiron 2200 and FC4 > Chris McDonald wrote: > > Well no wireless is not an option, I use it all day at school. I > dont > > know what a ndiswrapper is. And would hate to buy a wireless card > when I > > already have one. I will attempt the lspci thing when i get more > time, I > > have math class starting in liek 10 mins ago. > > http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/ > > "Some vendors do not release specifications of the hardware or > provide a > linux driver for their wireless network cards. This project > implements > Windows kernel API and NDIS (Network Driver Interface > Specification) API > within Linux kernel. A Windows driver for wireless network card is > then > linked to this implementation so that the driver runs natively, as > though it is in Windows, without binary emulation." > > -- > Dan Young > System Adminstrator > Multnomah ESD - Network Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr Tue Oct 11 20:31:56 2005 From: mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr (Mario Guerra) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:31:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Inspiron 2200 and FC4 In-Reply-To: <7822ca0d0510101545t24513e86y16926dbc9f7b4058@mail.gmail.com> References: <7822ca0d0510101545t24513e86y16926dbc9f7b4058@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1129062717.13506.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> El lun, 10-10-2005 a las 15:45 -0700, Chris McDonald escribi?: > I have a Inspiron 2200 and would like to install FC4 on it, but I > would hate to lose my wireless cabiblities. "Dell Wireless 1370 WLAN > Mini-PCI C" is the wireless card I have. I tried to search on this, > and didn't come up with much. Thanks for any help (I have very limited > experience with Linux, but I know how to get around/install stuff if > needed.) > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I own an Inspiron 2200 using Ubuntu and I used ndiswrapper without problems (I had to edit the modprobe.conf or such file, though). I guess you can do the same with FC4. Mario Guerra From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Oct 11 20:36:10 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:36:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Inspiron 2200 and FC4 In-Reply-To: <2456de24496b.24496b2456de@texas.rr.com> References: <2456de24496b.24496b2456de@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <434C223A.2070902@mesd.k12.or.us> jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > Would this work for an Inspirion 6000 that does not have a wireless NIC? > Thanks > Pat Do you mean using ndiswrapper with a wired NIC? Your Inspiron 6000 has a Broadcom wired NIC, which is supported by the b44 driver shipping with any recent kernel. -- Dan Young System Adminstrator Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From william at fragakis.com Wed Oct 12 01:24:18 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:24:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Live CD? Message-ID: Other than Knoppix for Kids, has there been any effort to make a k12LTSP-ish live CD. We are considering rolling our own but given our inexperience, no sense in re-inventing the wheel. We'd like to pile in as much of the software on the k12LTSP project (within the constraints of 700mb). Thanks much, William Fragakis Morris Brandon Elementary From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 01:26:29 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:56:29 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Command to see network utilization In-Reply-To: References: <4342D71F.6020703@mtwp.net> <69b790a80510041243p33303428k404641720ecb00ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <774593a20510111826o40ca47dcn716cfe9362fe327@mail.gmail.com> On 10/5/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 10/4/05, Roger wrote: > > iptraf seems to work pretty good for watching traffic. It shows > > real-time what an interface is using. > > Awesome. Never knew about iptraf!!! > Look up google for ibmonitor This not only give you traffice rate at set intervals but also gives you average and max (peak) traffic. The interface is not as cool as iptraf but does the job. Once I had left it running over a week on a screen session and got very good statistics. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 01:45:52 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:15:52 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Success! Run Fl_TeacherTool without root password In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560510030936s5f7be9c8gae4c8d02ec9c07c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <774593a20510111845s408354a3tb36644ac19f4a6b2@mail.gmail.com> On 10/3/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 10/3/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > I was wondering, is there a way to exclude the teacher from showing up > > in the user list when using this method? > > > > I also noticed this. If you notice on my website I stated to become > root with 'su' not 'su -' when launching TT from a thin client. But > this only works if you HAVE the root password. I don't know how to > setup sudo to accomplish this. First su - Then visudo Go to the bottom of the file and add the line: %ttgroup ALL=/path/to/program NOPASSWD Here ttgroup is the group where all the teachers are members. The visudo file fairly well gives ideas about how to add users for all or specific commands. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Oct 12 03:42:31 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:42:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Inspiron 2200 and FC4 In-Reply-To: <434C223A.2070902@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <2456de24496b.24496b2456de@texas.rr.com> <434C223A.2070902@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <434C8627.1010004@elp.rr.com> Correct but when I connect it to the server to start it as a thin client half way through the start up procedure something happens and I get a message about ISA NICs and then a kernel panic. I am running K12LTSP 4.4.1 in the server. Bye Pat Dan Young wrote: > jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > >> Would this work for an Inspirion 6000 that does not have a wireless NIC? >> Thanks >> Pat > > > Do you mean using ndiswrapper with a wired NIC? Your Inspiron 6000 has > a Broadcom wired NIC, which is supported by the b44 driver shipping > with any recent kernel. > From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Wed Oct 12 06:13:47 2005 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 02:13:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu LTSP cannot authenticating to LDAP through GDM, but works with ssh Message-ID: John, To answer your question on directory structure, so far in my environment it is not an issue on the breezy ltsp box. I have not had problems with students accounts login with strange errors on desktop. The desktop settings are coming from breezy box, but the home directory is mount through nfs to my redhat es 3.0 server. The only issue I have had when comes to strange errors is with my teacher and staff accounts logging into the box. The error they get is something like this $HOME/.dmrc can not find or write to file. Please set file rights to 644. Click OK on the error and it lets you in. I think why this is happening is I had a fat finger about a year ago in the staff home directory and accidently reset the rights or owner of the staff folders and did not reset the properly for the .dmrc file. I will keep everybody posted. -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: John Baillie [mailto:jbaillie at stmarys-school.org] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 3:13 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Ubuntu LTSP cannot authenticating to LDAP through GDM,but works with ssh Glenn Arnold wrote: > I am trying to setup a LTSP server with Breezy that authenticates to > LDAP and mounts home drives from a different server. When I use GDM to > login I cannot login to the server, but if I secure shell to the server > using ldap authentication it authenticates and mounts the home drive > from the other server with nfs. What do you have to do to the GDM config > files tell it to use LDAP authentication or what did I not configure in > my pam files to allow this to work? > > Thanks > -Glenn > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Glenn, Take a look at the following link near the bottom of the page. http://www.usefulinc.com/edd/blog/contents/2005/09/25-ldap/read I have been experimenting with Ubuntu for about a month now. Not ready to make the big switch at school yet but it's looking good. I was wondering if there are issues with share /home with Fedora and Ubuntu being the directory structure is not the same on the two. John _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Wed Oct 12 14:22:02 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:22:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Live CD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <434D1C0A.6010603@maltzen.net> The question of a K12LTSP live CD has come up before, but I don't think anyone has pursued it to the point of actually creating such a disk. While it would be an interesting project, I think the objective is usually to allow anyone to try out K12LTSP. But to really appreciate its brilliance, it needs to be installed on the hard drive for performance reasons. The way to knock people's socks off is to show them Firefox, OOo, etc. all running like lightning on an old Pentium 150; I don't think you'll get lightning speeds with Knoppix. Knoppix is great because it allows you to carry all your linux tools with you, and it demonstrates the creative things people can come up with when there is software freedom, i.e., no licensing hassles. But the speed/performance of Knoppix is sometimes underwhelming since it runs from the CD. The person asking about a live CD usually wants an easy way for others to see K12LTSP in action, but after considering the above limitations of live CDs, decides a laptop would be a better portable server, that he/she can carry around to demos, etc. With that said, to anyone still interested in a k12ltsp live CD, I would suggest building it on Puppy Linux since it is designed to load entirely into RAM and as such, all the apps load & run very quickly. You can even remove the CD after it's booted up. The problem you'll run into is that the top-line apps on k12ltsp--OOo, Firefox, Thunderbird, Evolution, TuxType, etc.--would require a significant amount of RAM to store, let alone run. So, to be able to load all that at boot will require a pretty hefty machine, which may not be conveniently available for many. OTOH, with RAM now available for $100/GB, perhaps this isn't so exotic. Petre William Fragakis wrote: > Other than Knoppix for Kids, has there been any effort to make a > k12LTSP-ish live CD. We are considering rolling our own but given our > inexperience, no sense in re-inventing the wheel. We'd like to pile in > as much of the software on the k12LTSP project (within the constraints > of 700mb). > > Thanks much, > William Fragakis > Morris Brandon Elementary > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From barry at yellowdog.com Wed Oct 12 19:30:12 2005 From: barry at yellowdog.com (Barry Solof) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:30:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server sizing in the real world Message-ID: <434D6444.3060109@yellowdog.com> Hi, The school has changed plans (again!). We were going to start with an old server and a few K12ltsp terminals in a few classrooms to see how things worked out. Now the school wants to use the K12ltsp for a dedicated computer classroom with about 20 terminals. My guess is they will want to run other terminals in other classrooms off of this server eventually. They have found some money for a good server. That makes it a lot easer cause the old server isn't really working well. The hardware wiki talks about needing 250 meg for the server and 50 meg (or more) per terminal. Is this really enough for Gnome/OpenOffice/Tux type/Tux math/etc.? What sort of experiences have you had with the number of terminals per server? Bottom line: can a single server handle 35-50 clients? How much memory and hard drive would be enough? Many thanks, Barry From petre at maltzen.net Wed Oct 12 19:52:37 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:52:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server sizing in the real world In-Reply-To: <434D6444.3060109@yellowdog.com> References: <434D6444.3060109@yellowdog.com> Message-ID: <434D6985.8000103@maltzen.net> Quick & dirty reply: For 35-50 users I'd get a dual-CPU box with 4GB RAM and a pair of SCSI disks, at least 36GB, 72GB if you can afford it. Get gigabit NICs for the server and make sure your switch has gigabit ports for the server (the clients will be fine with 100Mb ports). That should be enough to cover you for a while. As you add more clients over time, you can look into getting another server and splitting the load, or using dedicated application servers for heavy apps like OOo. Petre Barry Solof wrote: > Hi, > > The school has changed plans (again!). > > We were going to start with an old server and a few K12ltsp terminals in > a few classrooms to see how things worked out. Now the school wants to > use the K12ltsp for a dedicated computer classroom with about 20 > terminals. My guess is they will want to run other terminals in other > classrooms off of this server eventually. > > They have found some money for a good server. That makes it a lot > easer cause the old server isn't really working well. > > The hardware wiki talks about needing 250 meg for the server and 50 meg > (or more) per terminal. Is this really enough for Gnome/OpenOffice/Tux > type/Tux math/etc.? What sort of experiences have you had with the > number of terminals per server? > > Bottom line: can a single server handle 35-50 clients? How much memory > and hard drive would be enough? > > Many thanks, > Barry > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 20:54:38 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:54:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Software questions In-Reply-To: <20051011182959.86328.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20051011182959.86328.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <434D780E.50106@gmail.com> Timothy Legged wrote: >Hi > >I have been asked about software for creating banners, >Posters. > >I imagine that they must want something less >professional than Scribus. Any ideas? > >Tim > I still keep a floppy with Bannermania! (http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=782) and an old Fujitsu DL1100 (colour dot matrix) printer around for printing banners. It's an ooooold DOS program, but is still /great/ at what it does. It also works well for creating text for signs. If you print just the outlines, then trace over them with a tailor's spur, it will leave shallow dimples in the wood underneath. You can also trace over carbon paper - the lines left are easy to paint over. -- Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting pelectrodispersivej at nsteatopygict.org gbolusl at punquizzedq.net uamanoriw at xsemisubterraneanz.edu gskiverwoodv at hplebificationj.com xsigatokad at cgibblegabblera.gov xperisystolicl at kskelft.int sbarytocalcitep at sunwrapt.edu qrailroadh at hprofluenceu.int dspeechlessk at ytheriah.edu pwheelbirdf at lmonophthongizationu.org From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Oct 12 21:16:10 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:16:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Software questions In-Reply-To: <434D780E.50106@gmail.com> References: <20051011182959.86328.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <434D780E.50106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <434D7D1A.9070002@paasda.org> I thought linux had some commandline banner creator thing natively... I'm scratch'n the rust off the 'ole memory plate with this though...I'll see if I can track it down...but I used it extensively in college. Keith Olson wrote: > Timothy Legged wrote: > >> Hi >> >> I have been asked about software for creating banners, >> Posters. >> >> I imagine that they must want something less >> professional than Scribus. Any ideas? >> >> Tim >> > I still keep a floppy with Bannermania! > (http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=782) and an old Fujitsu DL1100 > (colour dot matrix) printer around for printing banners. It's an > ooooold DOS program, but is still /great/ at what it does. It also > works well for creating text for signs. If you print just the outlines, > then trace over them with a tailor's spur, it will leave shallow dimples > in the wood underneath. You can also trace over carbon paper - the > lines left are easy to paint over. > From Mike.Karolow at sprint.com Wed Oct 12 21:32:15 2005 From: Mike.Karolow at sprint.com (Karolow, Mike [IT]) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:32:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Software questions Message-ID: I bet it's the banner tool you are thinking of... http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2000/04/28/LivingLinux.html Mike Karolow Volunteer IT Administrator the greenhouse school Salem, Ma, USA > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Huck > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 5:16 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Software questions > > I thought linux had some commandline banner creator thing natively... > I'm scratch'n the rust off the 'ole memory plate with this though...I'll > see if I can track it down...but I used it extensively in college. > > Keith Olson wrote: > > Timothy Legged wrote: > > > >> Hi > >> > >> I have been asked about software for creating banners, > >> Posters. > >> > >> I imagine that they must want something less > >> professional than Scribus. Any ideas? > >> > >> Tim > >> > > I still keep a floppy with Bannermania! > > (http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=782) and an old Fujitsu DL1100 > > (colour dot matrix) printer around for printing banners. It's an > > ooooold DOS program, but is still /great/ at what it does. It also > > works well for creating text for signs. If you print just the outlines, > > then trace over them with a tailor's spur, it will leave shallow dimples > > in the wood underneath. You can also trace over carbon paper - the > > lines left are easy to paint over. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From caldodge at fpcc.net Wed Oct 12 22:26:18 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:26:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with 4.4.1, nas, SDL In-Reply-To: <20051011172450.GB18709@fpcc.net> References: <20051011172450.GB18709@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <20051012222618.GB30264@fpcc.net> FWIW, the solution I arrived at was to switch back to esd. Now Gcompris, childsplay, etc. work fine on the home system AND at the school I occasionally do work for. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Oct 12 23:34:08 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:34:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: [Fwd: Bad Voodoo for open source...]] Message-ID: <434D9D70.6000105@elp.rr.com> My son ran across this article. It reads like typical Bill Gates sneakiness. Bye Pat This is a Story from the Free Software Foundation. It would seem Microsoft is at it again. Microsoft's Treacherous Computing Microsoft is trying some strange skullduggery with its partners in Treacherous Computing. Treacherous Computing is an open conspiracy of computer manufacturers with Hollywood, intended to turn your future computers into a platform for DRM (Digital Restrictions Management) that software cannot bypass. Not satisfied with laws like the DMCA that make free software such as DeCSS illegal, they seek to make it impossible as well. To cloud the issue, they cite various side issues (such as vaguely-defined "security") as goals. They are also producing a list of vague principles that reject some of the malicious uses of the system (but not the principal malicious use, which is DRM itself). But Microsoft is stalling publication of the list, which suggests it plans to implement some of those rejected malicious uses too. Created by johns Last modified 2005-09-22 04:02 PM and a longer version of this story at: http://news.com.com/Something+fishys+going+on/2010-7350_3-5844412.html Are we lighting or are we thunderLife is just a dream on the way to deathwith out darkness how can we tell what is light Nathan Conlon __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From accessys at smart.net Wed Oct 12 23:41:59 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: [Fwd: Bad Voodoo for open source...]] In-Reply-To: <434D9D70.6000105@elp.rr.com> References: <434D9D70.6000105@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, John P. Conlon wrote: > My son ran across this article. It reads like typical Bill Gates > sneakiness. yeah!! I volunteer with the W3C/WAI for full access for persons with disabilities to use the computer and it is almost like open source doesn't exist until I open my big mouth anyway. technically no proprietary software can be used for access in any publically funded activity unless it is provided to the user at no additional cost. so they use this to sell some very very overpriced access software, some of the functions are standard on the linux desktops. all of the functions have an open source equivalent. now gates and company have co-opted PALM and futer Palm devices will run on windoze... as for the story below, isn't the FSF sueing over this form of locked encryption?? Bob > Bye > Pat > > > > This is a Story from the Free Software Foundation. It > would seem Microsoft is at it again. > > > Microsoft's Treacherous Computing > > Microsoft is trying some strange skullduggery with its > partners in Treacherous Computing. > > Treacherous Computing is an open conspiracy of > computer manufacturers with Hollywood, intended to > turn your future computers into a platform for DRM > (Digital Restrictions Management) that software cannot > bypass. Not satisfied with laws like the DMCA that > make free software such as DeCSS illegal, they seek to > make it impossible as well. > > To cloud the issue, they cite various side issues > (such as vaguely-defined "security") as goals. They > are also producing a list of vague principles that > reject some of the malicious uses of the system (but > not the principal malicious use, which is DRM itself). > But Microsoft is stalling publication of the list, > which suggests it plans to implement some of those > rejected malicious uses too. > Created by johns > Last modified 2005-09-22 04:02 PM > > and a longer version of this story at: > http://news.com.com/Something+fishys+going+on/2010-7350_3-5844412.html > > > Are we lighting or are we thunderLife is just a dream on the way to deathwith out darkness how can we tell what is light > Nathan Conlon > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Wed Oct 12 23:55:00 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:55:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server sizing in the real world In-Reply-To: <434D6444.3060109@yellowdog.com> Message-ID: <200510122356.j9CNukG08577@www.mi-spot.com> I've got a Dell 6350 off ebay for under $500. It's got a quad Pentium 550 MHz with 3gb ram. You can still find them on e-bay for that price. I even say the next level up with a quad 800 MHz for not a whole lot more. With my server, I run 22 terminals without much trouble. If you have the money to spend, I'd go more. Hope that helps. Eric -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Barry Solof Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 2:30 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Server sizing in the real world Hi, The school has changed plans (again!). We were going to start with an old server and a few K12ltsp terminals in a few classrooms to see how things worked out. Now the school wants to use the K12ltsp for a dedicated computer classroom with about 20 terminals. My guess is they will want to run other terminals in other classrooms off of this server eventually. They have found some money for a good server. That makes it a lot easer cause the old server isn't really working well. The hardware wiki talks about needing 250 meg for the server and 50 meg (or more) per terminal. Is this really enough for Gnome/OpenOffice/Tux type/Tux math/etc.? What sort of experiences have you had with the number of terminals per server? Bottom line: can a single server handle 35-50 clients? How much memory and hard drive would be enough? Many thanks, Barry _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From nbs at sonic.net Thu Oct 13 00:00:30 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:00:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Software questions In-Reply-To: <434D7D1A.9070002@paasda.org> References: <20051011182959.86328.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <434D780E.50106@gmail.com> <434D7D1A.9070002@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20051013000030.GA8088@sonic.net> On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 02:16:10PM -0700, Huck wrote: > I thought linux had some commandline banner creator thing natively... > I'm scratch'n the rust off the 'ole memory plate with this though...I'll > see if I can track it down...but I used it extensively in college. There's "banner", which prints giant sideways ASCII. Probably good for running through 'lpr' onto a dot-matrix. It'd probably be kinda ugly, even compared to old PrintShop on the Apple IIe, though. :) -bill! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Oct 13 00:14:46 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:14:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server sizing in the real world In-Reply-To: <434D6985.8000103@maltzen.net> References: <434D6444.3060109@yellowdog.com> <434D6985.8000103@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1129162486.7423.145.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Concur, mostly. Until just over a month ago, I had a system in place serving 25 terminals. It was found out, after two years of trouble-free operation, and ripped out for "not being Windows." It worked very well for that load and had some room to spare; the last K12LTSP version that it ran was 4.2.1, which I find that I like a lot, even though 4.4.1 is out. Here were the specs of that server. Twin AMD Athlon 1.47GHz chips 4GB DRAM Two 80GB parallel IDE disk drives (started with just one) Gig-E fiber NIC You'll notice that I used parallel IDE disk drives, while Petre recommends SCSI disks. He's right; SCSI is certainly better than any form of ATA. However, it does cost more to implement. When the above server was built, we were in a tight-budget situation and thus went with parallel IDE so that we could build the server at all (I just flat refused to do it without 4GB DRAM). The server not only served 25 LTSP terminals, but also acted as a major "Windows" file server for the school, thanks to Samba. It handled everything thrown at it with aplomb. --TP On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 14:52 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > Quick & dirty reply: For 35-50 users I'd get a dual-CPU box with 4GB RAM and a pair of > SCSI disks, at least 36GB, 72GB if you can afford it. Get gigabit NICs for the server > and make sure your switch has gigabit ports for the server (the clients will be fine > with 100Mb ports). That should be enough to cover you for a while. As you add more > clients over time, you can look into getting another server and splitting the load, or > using dedicated application servers for heavy apps like OOo. > > Petre > > Barry Solof wrote: > > Hi, > > > > The school has changed plans (again!). > > > > We were going to start with an old server and a few K12ltsp terminals in > > a few classrooms to see how things worked out. Now the school wants to > > use the K12ltsp for a dedicated computer classroom with about 20 > > terminals. My guess is they will want to run other terminals in other > > classrooms off of this server eventually. > > > > They have found some money for a good server. That makes it a lot > > easer cause the old server isn't really working well. > > > > The hardware wiki talks about needing 250 meg for the server and 50 meg > > (or more) per terminal. Is this really enough for Gnome/OpenOffice/Tux > > type/Tux math/etc.? What sort of experiences have you had with the > > number of terminals per server? > > > > Bottom line: can a single server handle 35-50 clients? How much memory > > and hard drive would be enough? > > > > Many thanks, > > Barry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Oct 13 01:28:52 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:28:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server sizing in the real world In-Reply-To: <434D6444.3060109@yellowdog.com> References: <434D6444.3060109@yellowdog.com> Message-ID: My server(s)....4 GB RAM....dual 36 GB SCSI HD's (15,000 RPM) dual Xeon 2.x ghz...dual gigabit....works fantastic...can be built for about 2000-2500....or bought (Daktech.com) for $2900-ish. Awesome machine...I have several...make sure to ask for normal Intel gig cards and NOT the marvell yukon one. This will server (very well) the amount of terminals you're talking about. I ran a server like this or a little less....for the past couple of years...now that our deployment has grown...we now have two running in dhcp failover/load-balancing mode (which by the way is awesome).... "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 at 3:30 PM +0000 wrote: >Hi, > >The school has changed plans (again!). > >We were going to start with an old server and a few K12ltsp terminals in >a few classrooms to see how things worked out. Now the school wants to >use the K12ltsp for a dedicated computer classroom with about 20 >terminals. My guess is they will want to run other terminals in other >classrooms off of this server eventually. > >They have found some money for a good server. That makes it a lot >easer cause the old server isn't really working well. > >The hardware wiki talks about needing 250 meg for the server and 50 meg >(or more) per terminal. Is this really enough for Gnome/OpenOffice/Tux >type/Tux math/etc.? What sort of experiences have you had with the >number of terminals per server? > >Bottom line: can a single server handle 35-50 clients? How much memory >and hard drive would be enough? > >Many thanks, >Barry > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Oct 13 01:14:11 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:14:11 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Server sizing in the real world Message-ID: <200510130323.j9D3NTY17503@downeast.net> so nothing particular yyou want me to bring/?? --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 05:19:00 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:19:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Tracking bug for serious Wine bugs running "must-have" K12 apps Message-ID: I've created metabug http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3554 to track problems in Wine that make K12 classroom applications unusable or untestable. So far I only have two bugs listed there, but I have only looked at one of the apps in the list ( http://kegel.com/wine/qa/#app.k12 ) from the K12OSN folks. My hope is that this becomes a list of the highest impact bugs in K-12 bugs, those that are worth fixing for, say, wine-0.9.2. Less serious bugs can wait for future releases, and don't yet need a tracking bug. Comments, anyone? I could use a hand testing the rest of the apps in the "must-have" list, hint hint! Thanks, Dan From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 04:21:26 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:51:26 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Server sizing in the real world In-Reply-To: <434D6444.3060109@yellowdog.com> References: <434D6444.3060109@yellowdog.com> Message-ID: <774593a20510122121ufc5a2aen426dfa734c606afa@mail.gmail.com> On 10/13/05, Barry Solof wrote: > The hardware wiki talks about needing 250 meg for the server and 50 meg > (or more) per terminal. Is this really enough for Gnome/OpenOffice/Tux > type/Tux math/etc.? What sort of experiences have you had with the > number of terminals per server? > > Bottom line: can a single server handle 35-50 clients? How much memory > and hard drive would be enough? I have only run single CPU ~2ghz servers with upto 4gb RAM. Serverves perfectly in OO+Firefox about 25+ clients. I know I disabled chess as it is memory hog. SCSI if you can or SATA. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Oct 13 05:39:00 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Server sizing in the real world In-Reply-To: <1129162486.7423.145.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <434D6444.3060109@yellowdog.com> <434D6985.8000103@maltzen.net> <1129162486.7423.145.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Oct 2005, Terrell [ISO-8859-1] Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Twin AMD Athlon 1.47GHz chips > 4GB DRAM > Two 80GB parallel IDE disk drives (started with just one) > Gig-E fiber NIC > > You'll notice that I used parallel IDE disk drives, while Petre > recommends SCSI disks. He's right; SCSI is certainly better than any > form of ATA. However, it does cost more to implement. When the above > server was built, we were in a tight-budget situation and thus went with > parallel IDE so that we could build the server at all (I just flat > refused to do it without 4GB DRAM). The server not only served 25 LTSP > terminals, but also acted as a major "Windows" file server for the > school, thanks to Samba. It handled everything thrown at it with > aplomb. We just ordered a "bulk storage" server, but beefed it up just a tad so that we can evaluate new technology for future deployments (and if it works really well, we'll consolidate several other servers on it). I spec'd it with SATA drives & a LSI Megaraid SATA 300-8x controller. The benchmarks I've seen says this card rocks, right up there with SCSI. We shall see! (you can get a 300-8x for about $450, a bit pricey but cheaper than a single 300G SCSI drive). Here's the whole package we're going to play with: dual dual-core AMD Opteron 265's (yum, four processors!) (~1,400) 4 gig ram (ECC registered) ( ~800) LSI Megaraid SATA 300-8x controller ( ~450) 6 Hitachi 400G SATA drives (2TB in RAID5) (~1,600) Tyan motherboard w/2 GigE ports ( ~450) 3U rack case with 12 hot-swap drive bays @ dual power ( ~800) If the disk sub-system performs as well as hoped, this would make an ok K12LTSP server ;-) -Eric From gkw-x at shaw.ca Thu Oct 13 05:44:38 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:44:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxpaint and others running slow Message-ID: <434DF446.7010008@shaw.ca> Hey all, The teachers were playing with the system the other day and realized that tuxpaint/tuxtype and other such programs that paint their own interfaces (ie. most of the kids programs), run incredibly slow over the network... To the point that they're unuseable. Any idea what the bottleneck is here? Is my server too slow, or is the 100meg switch uplink choking things? The server has a gigabit ethernet but the switch only takes in 100megs... The student machines range from early pentiums to p2 400s, all have the same problem. Thanks! Matt From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 06:13:59 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:13:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <434DF446.7010008@shaw.ca> References: <434DF446.7010008@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <9bd317560510122313m70d52d8bha3a1123a4aa294ed@mail.gmail.com> or is the 100meg switch > uplink choking things? In a word, yes. You should have a gig uplink. Peter On 10/13/05, gKw-X wrote: > Hey all, > > The teachers were playing with the system the other day and realized > that tuxpaint/tuxtype and other such programs that paint their own > interfaces (ie. most of the kids programs), run incredibly slow over the > network... To the point that they're unuseable. Any idea what the > bottleneck is here? Is my server too slow, or is the 100meg switch > uplink choking things? The server has a gigabit ethernet but the switch > only takes in 100megs... The student machines range from early pentiums > to p2 400s, all have the same problem. > > Thanks! > Matt > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From william at fragakis.com Thu Oct 13 06:23:07 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:23:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Server sizing in the real world Message-ID: <34c4012c752b5fcada094f61cf57fc8f@fragakis.com> Computer labs and classrooms, imho, need different server specs. What we've found in our lab is that it's the one place where 25 kids hit the same flash-enabled web site at exactly the same time. A single flash animation can drain 10-15% of the cpu on our dual core 2.8 ghz P4 server (2gb) ram. We can put 10 on a server fine but I wouldn't want to push it much above that. I've seen some pop-up animations drain 50% or more of the server. All you need is a couple of those to keep your server from responding quickly to other requests. And, our lab is our showcase, we didn't want the servers to even hint at lagging since K12LTSP was replacing a room full of Win XP Celeron 1.8s. If the lab is just for occasional use, and more OpenOffice than web stuff, you certainly can go higher on the server load. I could see our servers handling 20-40 classroom desktops fine, if for no other reason, most will be sitting idle at any one time. I second the suggestion to put gigabit between the server and client switch. That made all the difference for us. 10/100 would absolutely choke beyond 5-7 clients on heavy internet activity. The other suggestions are wise, too. We opted for SATA (10k rpm) which seem generally fine and someday, I'll get around putting them on RAID 1- we have a scsi RAID in our file server which will take off some of the load from the K12LTSP server, disk performance doesn't seem to be much of an issue. If you can afford fast scsi disks, then, by all means, do it, of course. Regards, William Fragakis Morris Brandon Elementary From william at fragakis.com Thu Oct 13 06:30:24 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:30:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Live CD? In-Reply-To: <20051012233430.DDE47733F8@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051012233430.DDE47733F8@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <38c2367aad7a7d70af229c19476e2a0e@fragakis.com> On Oct 12, 2005, at 7:34 PM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > > The question of a K12LTSP live CD has come up before, but I don't > think anyone has > pursued it to the point of actually creating such a disk. While it > would be an > interesting project, I think the objective is usually to allow anyone > to try out > K12LTSP. But to really appreciate its brilliance, it needs to be > installed on the hard > drive for performance reasons. Our reasoning is that we want all students and families to run the software at home, too. That, I think, is a big selling point for OSS, that we can have our children use the same software at home, no matter their financial means. They wouldn't be interested primarily in the thin client aspect but using the suite of educational apps. They can see how well it works at school. Most families in our school probably have a pretty peppy PC at home but probably won't wipe Win and put Fedora on. A live CD would be great for rebooting, doing school work and then returning the PC to it's usual spyware infested state. Families that are less fortunate, we would try to donate older boxes fully loaded with software. Maybe not as zippy but beats the Win98 alternatives. Regards, William From gkw-x at shaw.ca Thu Oct 13 06:33:58 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:33:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <9bd317560510122313m70d52d8bha3a1123a4aa294ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <434DF446.7010008@shaw.ca> <9bd317560510122313m70d52d8bha3a1123a4aa294ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <434DFFD6.4070903@shaw.ca> Alright, they don't have much money at all, so I don't want to spend it on something without knowing for sure. It couldn't be that my server is too slow? This happened with only one machine logged in, though many of them were booted up and sitting at the login screen. But only the one machine was being used. Also, they have two labs, the main one is in the same room as the server and has 18 computers, the second lab has one cable running to it, which is then branched out to another 8 machines. So even if I get a gig uplink switch in the main lab, the machines in the second lab are going to still have this problem? Peter Hartmann wrote: > or is the 100meg switch > >>uplink choking things? > > > In a word, yes. You should have a gig uplink. > > Peter > > On 10/13/05, gKw-X wrote: > >>Hey all, >> >>The teachers were playing with the system the other day and realized >>that tuxpaint/tuxtype and other such programs that paint their own >>interfaces (ie. most of the kids programs), run incredibly slow over the >>network... To the point that they're unuseable. Any idea what the >>bottleneck is here? Is my server too slow, or is the 100meg switch >>uplink choking things? The server has a gigabit ethernet but the switch >>only takes in 100megs... The student machines range from early pentiums >>to p2 400s, all have the same problem. >> >>Thanks! >>Matt >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 07:53:58 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:53:58 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Live CD? In-Reply-To: <38c2367aad7a7d70af229c19476e2a0e@fragakis.com> References: <20051012233430.DDE47733F8@hormel.redhat.com> <38c2367aad7a7d70af229c19476e2a0e@fragakis.com> Message-ID: <96df2e0b0510130053s61e31f60k@mail.gmail.com> How about finding a document online about building (or rebuilding) a Knoppix disk. Then, you can dump all the apps you don't have and include all those you do. Ta-da! One disk containing all the day-to-day apps you need for the students and missing all the chaff that you normally get on there! (and once you've released it, stick it on sourceforge so we can all get a copy ;) ) On 13/10/05, William Fragakis wrote: > > On Oct 12, 2005, at 7:34 PM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > > > > > > The question of a K12LTSP live CD has come up before, but I don't > > think anyone has > > pursued it to the point of actually creating such a disk. While it > > would be an > > interesting project, I think the objective is usually to allow anyone > > to try out > > K12LTSP. But to really appreciate its brilliance, it needs to be > > installed on the hard > > drive for performance reasons. > > Our reasoning is that we want all students and families to run the > software at home, too. That, I think, is a big selling point for OSS, > that we can have our children use the same software at home, no matter > their financial means. > > They wouldn't be interested primarily in the thin client aspect but > using the suite of educational apps. They can see how well it works at > school. > > Most families in our school probably have a pretty peppy PC at home but > probably won't wipe Win and put Fedora on. A live CD would be great for > rebooting, doing school work and then returning the PC to it's usual > spyware infested state. Families that are less fortunate, we would try > to donate older boxes fully loaded with software. Maybe not as zippy > but beats the Win98 alternatives. > > Regards, > William > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 09:02:25 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:32:25 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <434DFFD6.4070903@shaw.ca> References: <434DF446.7010008@shaw.ca> <9bd317560510122313m70d52d8bha3a1123a4aa294ed@mail.gmail.com> <434DFFD6.4070903@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <774593a20510130202s6305adf7v4db87e5a4e630200@mail.gmail.com> On 10/13/05, gKw-X wrote: > Alright, they don't have much money at all, so I don't want to spend it > on something without knowing for sure. It couldn't be that my server is > too slow? This happened with only one machine logged in, though many of > them were booted up and sitting at the login screen. But only the one > machine was being used. > > Also, they have two labs, the main one is in the same room as the server > and has 18 computers, the second lab has one cable running to it, which > is then branched out to another 8 machines. So even if I get a gig > uplink switch in the main lab, the machines in the second lab are going > to still have this problem? > Run iptraf or ibmonitor to see actual network bandwidth being used. I personally feel 100mbps is sufficient as for days at end max bandwidth reported in systems is no more than 7~8mbps!!! These are serving ~25 clients each. Check with top what amount of processing / memory is tuxtype or tuxpaint taking. If that is he bottle neck then you may want to set up different nice values. I reported this on LTSP list that chess (gnuchess as well as xchess) took up huge amount of RAM and processor time. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 09:09:36 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:39:36 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Server sizing in the real world In-Reply-To: <34c4012c752b5fcada094f61cf57fc8f@fragakis.com> References: <34c4012c752b5fcada094f61cf57fc8f@fragakis.com> Message-ID: <774593a20510130209i66e3d200jf22f9054a18ad728@mail.gmail.com> On 10/13/05, William Fragakis wrote: [SNIP] > I second the suggestion to put gigabit between the server and client > switch. That made all the difference for us. 10/100 would absolutely > choke beyond 5-7 clients on heavy internet activity. The other [SNIP] I keep seeing this recommendation but if all that the ltsp network is handling screen re-fresh then where is the need for gig network? Typically the application will run on the server using server bus and only the display data is sent to the client (plus some admin overhead). I only see max ~8mbps data bandwidth usage with all 25 users busy on internet. Typical bandwidth is way below more in the region of ~2mbps Second the internet connect I have is 515kbps DSL. How can this amount of data overawe 100mbps network? Any guru to do calculations and throw light on this? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 13 10:08:06 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 03:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Live CD? In-Reply-To: <434D1C0A.6010603@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20051013100806.44640.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For this reason I had asked in the past about a "live USB drive" install of K12LTSP. I don't know how to go about doing it, but my idea was to have a live-cd-like system installed on a USB hard drive, which could then be booted on any computer. I imagine it would run faster than having the same system running from a CD. -Rob --- Petre Scheie wrote: > But to really appreciate its brilliance, > it needs to be installed on the hard > drive for performance reasons. __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Oct 13 12:20:59 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:20:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Server sizing in the real world In-Reply-To: <774593a20510130209i66e3d200jf22f9054a18ad728@mail.gmail.com> References: <34c4012c752b5fcada094f61cf57fc8f@fragakis.com> <774593a20510130209i66e3d200jf22f9054a18ad728@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes...it makes a HUGE difference. If the server is only working at 100baseT it's not realizing its full potential. Use this analogy. Say you have a room with 25 kids who need to exit that room....go out into the hall and enter 25 seperate classrooms. Through a standard sized door they will exit one at a time or maybe two at a time and go to their repective classrooms. Now...take that same 25 kids and now have them exit through a door the size of a garage door. They can now exit the room maybe 10 at a time and thus will get to their classrooms that much faster. Although the terminal is still 100baseT....the server being able to serve it's data at full speed allows the bottleneck to shift downstream to the client and not at the server. A real world example is this: When I used to run at only 100baseT my kids couldn't really run TuxType in the lab....3 or 4 kids could play and after that it was unplayable due to the speed. Once I moved to gigabit....20 kids could play. If all your users are doing is running simple web browsers with no plugins...or stuff like that...then 100baseT will work....to a point. Gigabit allows you to get closer to the function of a stand-alone desktop. My kids are able to run Flash....Mplayer, Realvideo...etc. with no latency or slowdown. Entire classes can play GCompris, Childsplay, and Tuxpaint. This is the beauty of gigabit. I anxiously await the day that the clients are gigabit too...though I'm not sure there will be a huge advantage unless servers get faster. Oh...one last thing....you'll notice a huge difference with OpenOffice loading. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, October 13, 2005 at 5:09 AM +0000 wrote: >On 10/13/05, William Fragakis wrote: >[SNIP] >> I second the suggestion to put gigabit between the server and client >> switch. That made all the difference for us. 10/100 would absolutely >> choke beyond 5-7 clients on heavy internet activity. The other >[SNIP] > >I keep seeing this recommendation but if all that the ltsp network is >handling screen re-fresh then where is the need for gig network? >Typically the application will run on the server using server bus and >only the display data is sent to the client (plus some admin >overhead). I only see max ~8mbps data bandwidth usage with all 25 >users busy on internet. Typical bandwidth is way below more in the >region of ~2mbps > >Second the internet connect I have is 515kbps DSL. How can this amount >of data overawe 100mbps network? > >Any guru to do calculations and throw light on this? >-- >Sudev Barar >Learning Linux > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Oct 13 12:23:15 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:23:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <434DF446.7010008@shaw.ca> References: <434DF446.7010008@shaw.ca> Message-ID: go gigabit and you'll notice a HUGE difference. You need a gigabit uplink. You can get a small gigabit switch for $50....or a switch like an Amer.com SR24G2 which is 24 ports of 10/100 and 2 ports of gigbit for uplinking ....I use several of them...they rock and only cost $179. (26 ports in all) lifetime warranty David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Oct 13 12:29:15 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:29:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Server sizing in the real world In-Reply-To: References: <34c4012c752b5fcada094f61cf57fc8f@fragakis.com> <774593a20510130209i66e3d200jf22f9054a18ad728@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1129206555.7423.158.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 08:20 -0400, David Trask wrote: > Yes...it makes a HUGE difference. > Although the > terminal is still 100baseT....the server being able to serve it's data at > full speed allows the bottleneck to shift downstream to the client and not > at the server. A real world example is this: When I used to run at only > 100baseT my kids couldn't really run TuxType in the lab....3 or 4 kids > could play and after that it was unplayable due to the speed. Once I > moved to gigabit....20 kids could play. Since you mention TuxType.... TuxType is known to use 73Mb/sec at 1024x768 at 16-bit (65,536) colors. I did bandwidth measurements a bit ago with this program at that resolution, using two methods, and both agreed. You *really* want Gig-E on your server. *Really*. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Look, it's either that or spend tons more money on Windows boxes, with virus/worm issues, BSA audit threats, etc.; you're still saving major, major cash here, dude. --TP On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 23:33 -0700, gKw-X wrote: > Alright, they don't have much money at all, so I don't want to spend it > on something without knowing for sure. It couldn't be that my server is > too slow? This happened with only one machine logged in, though many of > them were booted up and sitting at the login screen. But only the one > machine was being used. > > Also, they have two labs, the main one is in the same room as the server > and has 18 computers, the second lab has one cable running to it, which > is then branched out to another 8 machines. So even if I get a gig > uplink switch in the main lab, the machines in the second lab are going > to still have this problem? > > Peter Hartmann wrote: > > or is the 100meg switch > > > >>uplink choking things? > > > > > > In a word, yes. You should have a gig uplink. > > > > Peter > > > > On 10/13/05, gKw-X wrote: > > > >>Hey all, > >> > >>The teachers were playing with the system the other day and realized > >>that tuxpaint/tuxtype and other such programs that paint their own > >>interfaces (ie. most of the kids programs), run incredibly slow over the > >>network... To the point that they're unuseable. Any idea what the > >>bottleneck is here? Is my server too slow, or is the 100meg switch > >>uplink choking things? The server has a gigabit ethernet but the switch > >>only takes in 100megs... The student machines range from early pentiums > >>to p2 400s, all have the same problem. > >> > >>Thanks! > >>Matt > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Oct 13 12:45:05 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:45:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Live CD? In-Reply-To: <20051013100806.44640.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051013100806.44640.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1129207505.7423.172.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> You might also want to keep your eye on the upcoming Edubuntu. The reason I suggest this is because, traditionally, the Ubuntu project has released live CD's. My guess is that Edubuntu may be similar; we of course don't know for sure yet because the final release hasn't yet arrived. --TP On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 03:08 -0700, Rob Owens wrote: > For this reason I had asked in the past about a "live > USB drive" install of K12LTSP. I don't know how to go > about doing it, but my idea was to have a live-cd-like > system installed on a USB hard drive, which could then > be booted on any computer. 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Anything doing screen animations takes all the bandwidth it can get. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Thu Oct 13 12:47:52 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:47:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <1129207343.7423.168.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <434DF446.7010008@shaw.ca> <9bd317560510122313m70d52d8bha3a1123a4aa294ed@mail.gmail.com> <434DFFD6.4070903@shaw.ca> <1129207343.7423.168.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1129207671.7376.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 07:42, Terrell Prud??, Jr. wrote: > TuxType is known to use 73Mb/sec *per client* at 1024x768 at 16-bit > color. And your server's on 100BaseTX? No wonder you're having > slowness issues! :-) This would be a good candidate to run as a local app... Has anyone looked at doing that with LDAP authentication? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ramonklown at pop.com.br Thu Oct 13 12:58:35 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:58:35 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] server giga nic - compatible Message-ID: <10052.200.222.204.70.1129208315.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> I would like to know if there's a list of compatible giga nic's for the ltsp server. is this compatible? 1) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833122133 2) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833338002 Can you say one that is compatible? Thanks From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Oct 13 13:34:01 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:34:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] server giga nic - compatible In-Reply-To: <10052.200.222.204.70.1129208315.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> References: <10052.200.222.204.70.1129208315.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <1129210441.7423.180.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 09:58 -0300, Ramon wrote: > I would like to know if there's a list of compatible giga nic's for the ltsp server. > > is this compatible? > 1) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833122133 > 2) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833338002 > > Can you say one that is compatible? > Thanks Don't know about those two specifically (you might want to check Netgear's Web site), but here are the cards that I have successfully used. - Intel PRO/1000 Fiber - Amer.com C1000SX (Marvell Technology-based) - Amer.com C1110 (Marvell Technology-based) - Generic fiber Gig-E card (Level One NetCelerator LXT1001-based) - The built-in Gig-E that comes with the nVidia nForce2 chipset (uses the "forcedeth" driver) --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 13 13:40:44 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Live CD? In-Reply-To: <1129207505.7423.172.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20051013134044.9938.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I checked on that today, since the Breezy Badger version of Ubuntu was officially released today. Edubuntu didn't have a live cd, but it might be coming. In the meantime, maybe somebody would like to try plain old Ubuntu on a live cd and install LTSP on it. (If that can be done--I know Knoppix allows you to "install" software into RAM when running the live cd). -Rob --- "Terrell Prud???, Jr." wrote: > You might also want to keep your eye on the upcoming > Edubuntu. The > reason I suggest this is because, traditionally, the > Ubuntu project has > released live CD's. My guess is that Edubuntu may > be similar; we of > course don't know for sure yet because the final > release hasn't yet > arrived. > > --TP > > On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 03:08 -0700, Rob Owens wrote: > > > For this reason I had asked in the past about a > "live > > USB drive" install of K12LTSP. I don't know how > to go > > about doing it, but my idea was to have a > live-cd-like > > system installed on a USB hard drive, which could > then > > be booted on any computer. I imagine it would run > > faster than having the same system running from a > CD. > > > > -Rob > > > > --- Petre Scheie wrote: > > > But to really appreciate its brilliance, > > > it needs to be installed on the hard > > > drive for performance reasons. > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From petre at maltzen.net Thu Oct 13 13:43:04 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:43:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Live CD? In-Reply-To: <38c2367aad7a7d70af229c19476e2a0e@fragakis.com> References: <20051012233430.DDE47733F8@hormel.redhat.com> <38c2367aad7a7d70af229c19476e2a0e@fragakis.com> Message-ID: <434E6468.3030800@maltzen.net> You might also checkout The OpenCD, www.opencd.org. It's a collection of free software, for Windows. It's got all the usual suspects: OOo, Firefox, Gimp, AbiWord, etc. It doesn't appear to have any education titles. But the project was started to create something that could just be handed to Windows users to expose them to the world of free software. I think the apps need to be installed on the computer, however, rather than just running from the CD. Petre William Fragakis wrote: > > On Oct 12, 2005, at 7:34 PM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > >> >> >> The question of a K12LTSP live CD has come up before, but I don't >> think anyone has >> pursued it to the point of actually creating such a disk. While it >> would be an >> interesting project, I think the objective is usually to allow anyone >> to try out >> K12LTSP. But to really appreciate its brilliance, it needs to be >> installed on the hard >> drive for performance reasons. > > > Our reasoning is that we want all students and families to run the > software at home, too. That, I think, is a big selling point for OSS, > that we can have our children use the same software at home, no matter > their financial means. > > They wouldn't be interested primarily in the thin client aspect but > using the suite of educational apps. They can see how well it works at > school. > > Most families in our school probably have a pretty peppy PC at home but > probably won't wipe Win and put Fedora on. A live CD would be great for > rebooting, doing school work and then returning the PC to it's usual > spyware infested state. Families that are less fortunate, we would try > to donate older boxes fully loaded with software. Maybe not as zippy but > beats the Win98 alternatives. > > Regards, > William > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 13 13:44:51 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] My vision needs feedback. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051013134451.10861.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey, how's your vision coming along? I haven't heard any updates... -Rob --- Steve Hampton wrote: > Hi List, > > I want to ask for some feedback on a vision (dream > at this stage) that > I have. I need two types of feedback. First if > anyone has the type of > setup that I envision and would be willing to let me > visit their site > to document, take photos and notes it would greatly > help me in my > struggle to get my vision implemented. Secondly, if > the people on > this list that know WAY MORE than me about linux and > computer > technology, know of any reason that what I am > envisioning would not > work please point out the errors in my thinking. So > here goes with my > vision. > > This is what I envision for the high school where I > teach computer > engineering. It is a small high school only about > 550 students in a > rural area. I found out that some students were not > able to take a > pre-calculus course that is offered through the > school collaborating > with an online educational service because the > students did not have > computers at home and that really burned me up. > After all I have seen > within the open source community about increasing > access to technology > I figure now is the time for me to start fighting > that battle locally. > > I loved a slide I saw in a presentation I downloaded > from somewhere by > David Trask that said something about access for > everyone being more > important than a few people being able to use reader > rabbit and I > apologize David if I twisted your words but I > believe that was the > general idea. Ok, on with my vision. I would like > for our school to > do the following: > > 1. I would like for them to abandon the proprietary > software > addiction (Paying more does NOT equal Getting more) > > 2. I would like for them to purchase laptops > without OSes for every > freshman when they enter high school. They would > take them to every > class, home and then allowed to take them with them > whenever they > graduate. The students would have more incentive to > take care of > something they knew would become theirs. > > 3. Since the laptops would be purchased without > OSes I would like for > them to all get K12LTSP installed and for them to be > setup as Thick > clients to authenticate to K12servers using > Samba/Ldap throughout the > school on a wireless network. > > 4. I would like it if the students laptops worked > in this fashion. > When they took them home and turned them on they > could log in as a > local user and access their home folder and even > save documents there. > Then when they came into the school and logged into > the network their > home folder would be synchronized with their home > folder on the k12 > file server(s). This might be possible with an > rsync configuration of > some sort I am not sure. This is the kind of > convenience I have with > OSX and iSync but I am trying to build a vision for > my school based on > inexpensive open source solutions. > > I have crunched the numbers for the hardware and I > know it would cost > less to equip the incoming freshman each year with a > new laptop fully > loaded with k12ltsp than what the system currently > spends on computer > equipment and proprietary licenses. Not to mention > that since the > students would be able to take their laptops to > class the math > teachers could stop paying thousands of dollars for > graphing > calculators and use the graphing tools included in > the edutainment > package of k12. > > I know what we are doing now is very expensive and > only provides > computer labs that the students realistically only > have access to > maybe an average of 2 hours per day. And the labs > are setup so that > they only have certain types of software depending > on which lab it is. > For example, the computers in the drafting classroom > that COST 2000 > dollars for a 10 station AutoCAD license are > worthless for chemistry > students they need access to the Math and Science > lab. The great > thing about k12 is that it is all there together, > Qcad, Kalzium, and > you know I could go on and on. The thing is we > can't keep doing what > we are doing and expect to get better results, on > test scores (which > administration dwells on) or student knowledge and > comprehension which > is what is really important. Changes need to be > made. Access to > technology for everyone, and the right types of > technology that help > develop high level conceptualization and abstract > thinking are vital. > > My main concerns before I try to work up a proposal > and then really > work to push it hard is making sure what I want to > do is possible. I > have a feeling that network administration would be > easier since I > know from administering the network in my classroom, > with linux once > you get all the configurations setup and working > right you pretty much > just set back and leave it alone and everything just > seems to keep > working right. > > PLUS, PLEASE if anyone has .sxi presentations (or > even .ppt) that they > would be willing to share that they have used to > successfully > influence others I would love to receive links to > them if you have > them posted online. Or if you have great articles, > papers, any type > of documentation that you think would be great in > promoting the linux > cause please spam me with them. You can send them to > me off the list > at steve_hampton28702 at yahoo.com. I really do > appreciate any help and > feedback I can get in this. I think that promoting > open source in the > area in which I live has kinda become a passion in > my life. GO > PENGUINS, hehe > > Steve Hampton > Technology Instructor > Swain County High School > North Carolina, USA > -- > Open Source, The Right Thing To Do! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 13:47:21 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:47:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Live CD? In-Reply-To: <38c2367aad7a7d70af229c19476e2a0e@fragakis.com> References: <20051012233430.DDE47733F8@hormel.redhat.com> <38c2367aad7a7d70af229c19476e2a0e@fragakis.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560510130647l43cc7932m73d4547ced3f6062@mail.gmail.com> I was also interested in this. I found Freeduc which has some Edutainment apps on a knoppix cd. However after I managed to get it to default to US-en I found that Gcompris didn't have the english voices- only french. For me it needed a remaster which I'm not up to at the moment. Peter On 6/17/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hello, > Has anyone remastered Freeduc for english? I managed to edit the > isolinux.cfg file with a program called Winiso. So now the default > keyboard and language is US english. However Gcompris is looking for > assetml-voices-alphabet-en. I think this means I'll need to do a true > re-mastering of Knoppix. If I put a burner in the k12 (FC) server > could I do this? Or does it rely on Debian? > > Thanks, > Peter > On 10/13/05, William Fragakis wrote: > > On Oct 12, 2005, at 7:34 PM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > > > > > > The question of a K12LTSP live CD has come up before, but I don't > > think anyone has > > pursued it to the point of actually creating such a disk. While it > > would be an > > interesting project, I think the objective is usually to allow anyone > > to try out > > K12LTSP. But to really appreciate its brilliance, it needs to be > > installed on the hard > > drive for performance reasons. > > Our reasoning is that we want all students and families to run the > software at home, too. That, I think, is a big selling point for OSS, > that we can have our children use the same software at home, no matter > their financial means. > > They wouldn't be interested primarily in the thin client aspect but > using the suite of educational apps. They can see how well it works at > school. > > Most families in our school probably have a pretty peppy PC at home but > probably won't wipe Win and put Fedora on. A live CD would be great for > rebooting, doing school work and then returning the PC to it's usual > spyware infested state. Families that are less fortunate, we would try > to donate older boxes fully loaded with software. Maybe not as zippy > but beats the Win98 alternatives. > > Regards, > William > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bill.bardon at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 14:03:57 2005 From: bill.bardon at gmail.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:03:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Live CD? In-Reply-To: <38c2367aad7a7d70af229c19476e2a0e@fragakis.com> References: <20051012233430.DDE47733F8@hormel.redhat.com> <38c2367aad7a7d70af229c19476e2a0e@fragakis.com> Message-ID: <20051013090357.2cd719f6@localhost.localdomain> On Thursday, Oct 13 William Fragakis wrote: > Most families in our school probably have a pretty peppy PC at home > but probably won't wipe Win and put Fedora on. A live CD would be > great for rebooting, doing school work and then returning the PC to > it's usual spyware infested state. I created a CD that contains Windows versions of many of the cross-platform programs in K12LTSP. It's not bootable, but students can take it home and install OpenOffice, GIMP, Inkscape and several other open source programs on their home PC. They can continue their school work, and also get to see the benefits of open source - freedom to share and distribute. An ISO image is available here: http://www.computassist.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=49&Itemid=41 It's slightly out of date. (Only a couple of months, but open source moves fast.) I'll get it updated when I can find the time. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Oct 13 14:40:09 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:40:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server sizing in the real world In-Reply-To: References: <434D6444.3060109@yellowdog.com> <434D6985.8000103@maltzen.net> <1129162486.7423.145.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <682EE6AA-A926-4E93-A510-0C1B8363C5DB@mindfirestudios.com> The only thing that it really helps to have on SCSI drives is /home. If you want to save money, I'd put my LDAP/NIS/Samba and the NFS homes on an older server with SCSI disks. You can get them fairly cheep. Then you can use dual core CPUs with IDE disks and lots of RAM for the terminal servers themselves. From ramonklown at pop.com.br Thu Oct 13 14:49:49 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:49:49 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] server giga nic - compatible In-Reply-To: <1129210441.7423.180.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <10052.200.222.204.70.1129208315.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> <1129210441.7423.180.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <10122.200.222.204.70.1129214989.squirrel@popmail5.pop.com.br> found an answer, thanks :) http://www.linuxcompatible.org/Netgear_GA311_c11498.html > On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 09:58 -0300, Ramon wrote: > >> I would like to know if there's a list of compatible giga nic's for the ltsp >> server. >> >> is this compatible? >> 1) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833122133 >> 2) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833338002 >> >> Can you say one that is compatible? >> Thanks > > > Don't know about those two specifically (you might want to check > Netgear's Web site), but here are the cards that I have successfully > used. > > - Intel PRO/1000 Fiber > - Amer.com C1000SX (Marvell Technology-based) > - Amer.com C1110 (Marvell Technology-based) > - Generic fiber Gig-E card (Level One NetCelerator LXT1001-based) > - The built-in Gig-E that comes with the nVidia nForce2 chipset (uses > the "forcedeth" driver) > > --TP > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Oct 13 15:43:44 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] server giga nic - compatible In-Reply-To: <10122.200.222.204.70.1129214989.squirrel@popmail5.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <20051013154344.73325.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi The cards look to be based on the Realtek 8169 chip. I have a couple of those for driver work but I have never stress tested them. The Realtek *8139* was not a remarkably good nic but their price more than made up for it. I would look for some benchmarks comparing the *8169* to other 10/100/1000 chips and be ready to swap it if necessary but at the price it would not hurt to try it. Tim --- Ramon wrote: > found an answer, thanks :) > http://www.linuxcompatible.org/Netgear_GA311_c11498.html > > > On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 09:58 -0300, Ramon wrote: > > > >> I would like to know if there's a list of > compatible giga nic's for the ltsp > >> server. > >> > >> is this compatible? > >> 1) > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833122133 > >> 2) > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833338002 > >> > >> Can you say one that is compatible? > >> Thanks > > > > > > Don't know about those two specifically (you might > want to check > > Netgear's Web site), but here are the cards that I > have successfully > > used. > > > > - Intel PRO/1000 Fiber > > - Amer.com C1000SX (Marvell Technology-based) > > - Amer.com C1110 (Marvell Technology-based) > > - Generic fiber Gig-E card (Level One NetCelerator > LXT1001-based) > > - The built-in Gig-E that comes with the nVidia > nForce2 chipset (uses > > the "forcedeth" driver) > > > > --TP > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From william at fragakis.com Thu Oct 13 16:07:12 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:07:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Live CD? In-Reply-To: <20051013124557.2CDE8731DD@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051013124557.2CDE8731DD@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <04f537048a46c4da8d989be2154a5722@fragakis.com> > We have already- just didn't want to proceed down a path that someone else had already gone. The only issue with Sourceforging it is Flash which our kids need to take Accelerated Reader tests. Regards, William > How about finding a document online about building (or rebuilding) a > Knoppix disk. Then, you can dump all the apps you don't have and > include all those you do. Ta-da! One disk containing all the > day-to-day apps you need for the students and missing all the chaff > that you normally get on there! > > (and once you've released it, stick it on sourceforge so we can all > get a copy ;) ) > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Oct 13 17:38:41 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:38:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Software questions In-Reply-To: <20051013000030.GA8088@sonic.net> References: <20051011182959.86328.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <434D780E.50106@gmail.com> <434D7D1A.9070002@paasda.org> <20051013000030.GA8088@sonic.net> Message-ID: <434E9BA1.9030404@paasda.org> that's the one I was looking for! Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Wed, Oct 12, 2005 at 02:16:10PM -0700, Huck wrote: > >>I thought linux had some commandline banner creator thing natively... >>I'm scratch'n the rust off the 'ole memory plate with this though...I'll >>see if I can track it down...but I used it extensively in college. > > > There's "banner", which prints giant sideways ASCII. Probably good for > running through 'lpr' onto a dot-matrix. It'd probably be kinda ugly, > even compared to old PrintShop on the Apple IIe, though. :) > > -bill! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From nbs at sonic.net Thu Oct 13 17:37:01 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:37:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <1129207343.7423.168.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <434DF446.7010008@shaw.ca> <9bd317560510122313m70d52d8bha3a1123a4aa294ed@mail.gmail.com> <434DFFD6.4070903@shaw.ca> <1129207343.7423.168.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20051013173701.GA25627@sonic.net> On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 08:42:23AM -0400, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > TuxType is known to use 73Mb/sec *per client* at 1024x768 at 16-bit > color. And your server's on 100BaseTX? No wonder you're having > slowness issues! :-) Does TuxType not have an option to disable background images, or do other tweaks to reduce the amount of blitting done on-screen? What kind of bandwidth does Tux paint use? (Note: the upcoming 0.9.15 will default to 800x600 at 24bpp, whereas previous versions defaulted to 640x480, and always used 16bpp) Thx! -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From nbs at sonic.net Thu Oct 13 17:50:31 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:50:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Live CD? In-Reply-To: <434E6468.3030800@maltzen.net> References: <20051012233430.DDE47733F8@hormel.redhat.com> <38c2367aad7a7d70af229c19476e2a0e@fragakis.com> <434E6468.3030800@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20051013175031.GA27376@sonic.net> On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 08:43:04AM -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > You might also checkout The OpenCD, www.opencd.org. It's a collection of > free software, for Windows. TheOpenCD 3.0 actually has a mini Ubuntu live CD on it, too. -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From nbs at sonic.net Thu Oct 13 17:53:10 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:53:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Live CD? In-Reply-To: <20051013100806.44640.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <434D1C0A.6010603@maltzen.net> <20051013100806.44640.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051013175310.GB27376@sonic.net> On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 03:08:06AM -0700, Rob Owens wrote: > For this reason I had asked in the past about a "live > USB drive" install of K12LTSP. I don't know how to go > about doing it, but my idea was to have a live-cd-like > system installed on a USB hard drive, which could then > be booted on any computer. I imagine it would run > faster than having the same system running from a CD. I haven't kept entirely up with this thread, but is the point of the live CD to act as an LTSP server for thin clients? Or just be a live CD of Linux with the "K12" software that people are used to getting when they set up a K12LTSP network at a school? Just curious... :) It seems like the latter makes more sense when I hear people talking about 'bringing s/w home so kids can use it there, too.' (TheOpenCD makes a lot of sense, too.) -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From luis.montes at cox.net Thu Oct 13 18:48:34 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:48:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Live CD? In-Reply-To: <20051013175310.GB27376@sonic.net> References: <434D1C0A.6010603@maltzen.net> <20051013100806.44640.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20051013175310.GB27376@sonic.net> Message-ID: <434EAC02.6030008@cox.net> Dont forget this one: http://k12wincd.sf.net ok, shameless plug on my project :) just waiting for OpenOffice.org 2.0 to go live for the next version Luis Bill Kendrick wrote: >On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 03:08:06AM -0700, Rob Owens wrote: > > >>For this reason I had asked in the past about a "live >>USB drive" install of K12LTSP. I don't know how to go >>about doing it, but my idea was to have a live-cd-like >>system installed on a USB hard drive, which could then >>be booted on any computer. I imagine it would run >>faster than having the same system running from a CD. >> >> > >I haven't kept entirely up with this thread, but is the point of the >live CD to act as an LTSP server for thin clients? Or just be >a live CD of Linux with the "K12" software that people are used to getting >when they set up a K12LTSP network at a school? > >Just curious... :) It seems like the latter makes more sense when I hear >people talking about 'bringing s/w home so kids can use it there, too.' >(TheOpenCD makes a lot of sense, too.) > > > > From caldodge at fpcc.net Thu Oct 13 18:45:32 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:45:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] server giga nic - compatible In-Reply-To: <20051013154344.73325.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <10122.200.222.204.70.1129214989.squirrel@popmail5.pop.com.br> <20051013154344.73325.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051013184532.GC2869@fpcc.net> On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 11:43:44AM -0400, Timothy Legge wrote: > Hi > > The cards look to be based on the Realtek 8169 chip. > I have a couple of those for driver work but I have > never stress tested them. The Realtek *8139* was not > a remarkably good nic but their price more than made > up for it. > > I would look for some benchmarks comparing the *8169* > to other 10/100/1000 chips and be ready to swap it if > necessary but at the price it would not hurt to try > it. Based on my admittedly anecdotal knowledge, I'd probably pay $6 more for an Intel gigabit adapter. Speaking of gigabit NICS - if anyone out there is considering a D-Link PCI Express gigabit adapter, let me know - the code from D-Link requires a couple of tweaks before it will compile on the latest kernel. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From lighthumor at hotmail.com Thu Oct 13 19:15:27 2005 From: lighthumor at hotmail.com (light being) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:15:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] server-terminal sound, NASD sound modules..? Message-ID: I'm having some trouble installing the correct sound modules, sound servers, etc. at the moment the terminal says "module not found" at boot time... LSPCI gave me the following for the sound card, indicating an AU8820 chip: 00:10.0 Class 0401: 12eb:0001 (rev 02) it is listed in /etc/audiolist, however seems commented out. I un-commented it, guessed a module name, but it didnt work. /etc/audiolist -------------------------- #Aureal Semiconductor 12EB:0001 AU8820 #AU8820 Vortex Digital Audio Processor ------------------------------ the server has some ltsp-esound packages installed - i didnt find any "ltsp-sound" packages however, that this website indicates here, installed or in the repositories - shouldnt it be in the repository? http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4.1.html. follows a relevant section of the lts.conf file lts.conf ------------------------ [00:90:27:0D:0C:F6] # 60 Hz Resolutions # para usar monitor philips X_MODE_0 = 640x480 25.175 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 65 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync SCREEN_02 = shell # enable sound by default SOUND = Y # choose either esd or nasd to be the default SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" # SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" SMODULE_01 = "snd-au8820" From rmccue at law.uvic.ca Thu Oct 13 19:35:55 2005 From: rmccue at law.uvic.ca (Rich McCue) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:35:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Live CD? In-Reply-To: <434EAC02.6030008@cox.net> Message-ID: <20051013123555579.00000003308@r171-rmccue> Looks great! Will the next version come with Firefox and Thunderbird? Also, I haven't been able to find a port for KTurtle for Windows... how about MSLogo (not Microsoft)... http://www.softronix.com/logo.html or StarLogo http://education.mit.edu/starlogo/ ? It would be nice to have a logo program bundled on the CD for students to use at home. Thanks for your hard work. Rich -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Luis Montes Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 11:49 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Live CD? Dont forget this one: http://k12wincd.sf.net ok, shameless plug on my project :) just waiting for OpenOffice.org 2.0 to go live for the next version Luis From webmaster at vol.org Thu Oct 13 19:48:56 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:48:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NOLA school open again Message-ID: <1129232936.6421.25.camel@tardis.london.volnet> My school in a suburb of New Orleans has been open for just over a week now following hurricane Katrina. We didn't flood, but the ceilings of the library and cafeteria fell due to roof damage. I was happy to see that all of the servers and most of the workstations came up without problems after sitting in extreme heat and humidity for two weeks. Yay for K12LTSP for making those workstations that failed easy to replace! Our side (west bank) of the Mississippi River did extremely well compared to the other side. We and a few areas on the east bank were the lucky ones. -- george kocke http://www.vol.org From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 20:13:42 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:13:42 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: [lugmaster] [Fwd: Open Source in Schools Event] In-Reply-To: <434E4E84.2000202@gavinwestwood.co.uk> References: <434E4E84.2000202@gavinwestwood.co.uk> Message-ID: <96df2e0b0510131313v31b7a459q@mail.gmail.com> I thought you might be interested with this - especially if there's someone from the K12 list who can attend this event in the UK?? -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gavin Westwood (MKLUG) Date: 13-Oct-2005 13:09 Subject: [lugmaster] [Fwd: Open Source in Schools Event] To: A closed discussion list for UK LUGMasters Cc: David Willington If you'd like to post this to your LUGs it would be appreciated. Note that I am forwarding this on behalf of David Willington (CC'd on this mail and address below). Please do not contact me regarding this as I am not involved with this, contact David. Also, I would suggest that you make sure that you highlight his last statement: "services need to be clearly relevant to education." Thanks Gavin (MKLUG) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [MK] Open Source in Schools Event Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:54:09 +0100 From: David Willington Dear All I've been asked by Hemel Hempstead School to help organise a conference putting together schools with an interest in Open Source software with businesses and individuals that can offer support and advice. I'm based in Sheffield where I've just organised one for schools up here. I called the event OSCARS (Open Source Choices and Resources for Schools) and it came about as a result of this year's FLOSSIE (Free, Libre and Open Source Software in Education) conference in Bolton where the view was that everyone there already know about FLOSS and what was needed was a conference to inform people who don't know about FLOSS. The reason for Hemel Hempstead is that I know the new Head there and she said that Sheffield was too far to come. This is the second OSCARS. I learned a few lessons from the first one. Firstly I'm going to try to keep a clear focus on education - the school's getting the schools together, and I'm approaching the Linux community. I'm keen to avoid a room full of Open Source converts, which is what happened at FLOSSIE. I'm planning to get about 10 businesses offering a range of solutions that are directly relevant to education and which are open source based, and ask the school to guarantee at least 25 schools. One of the companies that came to the first one was (as far as I can tell) offering Open Source on the back of a proprietary package. There's nothing wrong with this, but I'm eager to point out to schools that Open Source can come without ties. In other words, an exclusively Open Source event, although companies and businesses working with proprietary software are welcome along so long as they're demonstrating their open source options. From the businesses' point of view, experience in schools is good, but I don't think it's essential. However services need to be clearly relevant to education. If anyone would be interested in being involved I'd be delighted to hear from you. The proposed date is Fri 27 Jan 2006 and the venue is Hemel Hempstead School, Heath Lane, Hemel Hempstead. Thanks David Willington _______________________________________________ lugmaster mailing list lugmaster at mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/lugmaster From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Thu Oct 13 20:51:29 2005 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:51:29 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Gnome/KDE no volume control error In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b0510131313v31b7a459q@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051013105129.0965ab67@trunks> How do you get rid of this error box from popping up on the clients after logging in? http://www2.hawaii.edu/~wilsonch/k12ltsp/Screenshot-Error-Gnome.png http://www2.hawaii.edu/~wilsonch/k12ltsp/Screenshot-Error-KDE.png We are running FC4 k12ltsp distro and gnome & kde both have these similar sound/volume error boxes on the client. Wilson From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Thu Oct 13 21:00:42 2005 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:00:42 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Mystery terminal window after login In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b0510131313v31b7a459q@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051013110042.5e3a9aca@trunks> After logging into Gnome the thinclient stations all have a terminal window open. I noticed this started to happen after I manually set all desktops to use Gnome as the default desktop by "switchdesk gnome". Any ideals why the terminal window is open for all clients after logging in? Wilson From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 21:02:16 2005 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:02:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Mystery terminal window after login In-Reply-To: <20051013110042.5e3a9aca@trunks> References: <96df2e0b0510131313v31b7a459q@mail.gmail.com> <20051013110042.5e3a9aca@trunks> Message-ID: <69b790a80510131402i3139335r7aa0983addaddcca@mail.gmail.com> On 10/13/05, Wilson Chan wrote: > After logging into Gnome the thinclient stations all have a terminal window open. I noticed this started to happen after I manually set all desktops to use Gnome as the default desktop by "switchdesk gnome". Any ideals why the terminal window is open for all clients after logging in? > Is it set to remember the desktop? If you leave a terminal open, the next time you login, it restores the terminal. From frank at oobschools.org Fri Oct 14 12:42:16 2005 From: frank at oobschools.org (Frank Lee) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 08:42:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Login or not to Login...that is the question. In-Reply-To: <69b790a80510131402i3139335r7aa0983addaddcca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This is really weird. I have a K12LTSP Terminal Server that is reading account information off a OSX 10.4 LDAP server. Mounting user directories through NFS (Thanks to a couple pointers from David Trask). It works like a charm. However it seems about 1/2 the users can login. The other half get flashed (oh my!) by a black screen and right back to the login box. No rhyme or reason. If the user works, it works, if a user doesn't they don't at all. However it does not seem to be happening to a specific selection of users in any way. The users are all in the same group, they're all based on the same setup, etc. The ones that don't work don't seem to be writing the .g* (.gconf, etc) directories on login. This prompted me to check permissions on the home directory, etc and all is well. Any ideas? Thanks! -F -- Frank P. Lee Old Orchard Beach Schools Technology Department http://helpdesk.oobschools.org From lighthumor at hotmail.com Fri Oct 14 12:18:16 2005 From: lighthumor at hotmail.com (light being) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 08:18:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Live CD? In-Reply-To: <20051013134044.9938.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Knoppix 3.9 has an easily-started freenx server. I downloaded a client and logged into it quite easily from a windows machine. I didn?t find the other components of LTSP though - TFTP, DHCP, NFS, etc. Kurumin linux allows installing LTSP onto it easily, however required installing to CD first. I assume it would be easy to install and create another live-cd from the hard drive. >From: Rob Owens >Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Live CD? >Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:40:44 -0700 (PDT) >I checked on that today, since the Breezy Badger >version of Ubuntu was officially released today. >Edubuntu didn't have a live cd, but it might be >coming. In the meantime, maybe somebody would like to >try plain old Ubuntu on a live cd and install LTSP on >it. (If that can be done--I know Knoppix allows you >to "install" software into RAM when running the live >cd). > >-Rob > >--- "Terrell Prud???, Jr." >wrote: > > > You might also want to keep your eye on the upcoming > > Edubuntu. The > > reason I suggest this is because, traditionally, the > > Ubuntu project has > > released live CD's. My guess is that Edubuntu may > > be similar; we of > > course don't know for sure yet because the final > > release hasn't yet > > arrived. > > > > --TP > > > > On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 03:08 -0700, Rob Owens wrote: > > > > > For this reason I had asked in the past about a > > "live > > > USB drive" install of K12LTSP. I don't know how > > to go > > > about doing it, but my idea was to have a > > live-cd-like > > > system installed on a USB hard drive, which could > > then > > > be booted on any computer. I imagine it would run > > > faster than having the same system running from a > > CD. > > > > > > -Rob > > > > > > --- Petre Scheie wrote: > > > > But to really appreciate its brilliance, > > > > it needs to be installed on the hard > > > > drive for performance reasons. > > > > > > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Oct 13 23:19:57 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:19:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <20051013173701.GA25627@sonic.net> References: <434DF446.7010008@shaw.ca> <9bd317560510122313m70d52d8bha3a1123a4aa294ed@mail.gmail.com> <434DFFD6.4070903@shaw.ca> <1129207343.7423.168.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051013173701.GA25627@sonic.net> Message-ID: <1129245597.7423.195.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 10:37 -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 08:42:23AM -0400, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > > TuxType is known to use 73Mb/sec *per client* at 1024x768 at 16-bit > > color. And your server's on 100BaseTX? No wonder you're having > > slowness issues! :-) > > Does TuxType not have an option to disable background images, or do > other tweaks to reduce the amount of blitting done on-screen? > Dunno, but I don't believe that background images are the issue. The issue is the number of changes to the screen inherent in playing a game like TuxType, TuxMath, Chromium, Doom/Quake, etc. The complexity of the image itself doesn't matter, as long as it doesn't change. TuxType, like Quake, simply has major, major amounts of simultaneous screen changes. That's what makes it so bandwidth-hungry. > What kind of bandwidth does Tux paint use? (Note: the upcoming 0.9.15 > will default to 800x600 at 24bpp, whereas previous versions defaulted > to 640x480, and always used 16bpp) > I guess that would depend on what's being done. If someone's making a lot of changes to an image in TuxPaint, then bandwidth usage will go up, depending on the number of changes to the screen that X11 has to make. It's not so much a TuxType/TuxPaint/TuxAnything issue as it is an X11 issue. Using the example of the (totally awesome, BTW) game Chromium again, that took up a lot of bandwidth as well. 10/100 NICs are so cheap these days that I'd say, from a network perspective, your decision of 800x600x24bpp is a good one. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Oct 14 04:12:12 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 00:12:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NOLA school open again In-Reply-To: <1129232936.6421.25.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <1129232936.6421.25.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: Welcome back! glad you landed on your feet for the most part "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thu Oct 13 2005 at 15:48 +0000 wrote: > >My school in a suburb of New Orleans has been open for just over a week >now following hurricane Katrina. We didn't flood, but the ceilings of >the library and cafeteria fell due to roof damage. I was happy to see >that all of the servers and most of the workstations came up without >problems after sitting in extreme heat and humidity for two weeks. Yay >for K12LTSP for making those workstations that failed easy to replace! > >Our side (west bank) of the Mississippi River did extremely well >compared to the other side. We and a few areas on the east bank were the >lucky ones. > > >-- >george kocke >http://www.vol.org > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From robark at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 00:13:41 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:13:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Server sizing in the real world In-Reply-To: References: <434D6444.3060109@yellowdog.com> <434D6985.8000103@maltzen.net> <1129162486.7423.145.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On 10/12/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > Here's the whole package we're going to play with: > > dual dual-core AMD Opteron 265's (yum, four processors!) (~1,400) > 4 gig ram (ECC registered) ( ~800) > LSI Megaraid SATA 300-8x controller ( ~450) > 6 Hitachi 400G SATA drives (2TB in RAID5) (~1,600) > Tyan motherboard w/2 GigE ports ( ~450) > 3U rack case with 12 hot-swap drive bays @ dual power ( ~800) > > If the disk sub-system performs as well as hoped, this would make an > ok K12LTSP server ;-) Eric, let us know how this machine works out. I'm curious because of the dual dual-cores and also because of the RAID5. I know the 2.6 kernels have NUMA support for dual Opterons since each cpu has it's own memory bank but since they are also dual-core I *think* NUMA may be disabled since the cpus on the same die share the same bank. (wondering how the kernel will deal with this) BTW isn't RAID5 supposed to be slow. That's a lot of storage. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Thu Oct 13 21:08:42 2005 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:08:42 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Mystery terminal window after login In-Reply-To: <69b790a80510131402i3139335r7aa0983addaddcca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051013110842.d20274c5@trunks> > Is it set to remember the desktop? > If you leave a terminal open, the next time you login, it restores the terminal. Nope. When I logged out it just clicked "Log out". Is there a way to check if the remember desktop setting is set? -Wilson From ramonklown at pop.com.br Fri Oct 14 00:25:56 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:25:56 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] server giga nic - compatible In-Reply-To: <20051013154344.73325.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <10122.200.222.204.70.1129214989.squirrel@popmail5.pop.com.br> <20051013154344.73325.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1610.200.165.117.247.1129249556.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> Thanks guys, I think i will go for intel. Lot of positive marketing. Peace, Ramon > Hi > > The cards look to be based on the Realtek 8169 chip. > I have a couple of those for driver work but I have > never stress tested them. The Realtek *8139* was not > a remarkably good nic but their price more than made > up for it. > > I would look for some benchmarks comparing the *8169* > to other 10/100/1000 chips and be ready to swap it if > necessary but at the price it would not hurt to try > it. > > Tim > --- Ramon wrote: > >> found an answer, thanks :) >> > http://www.linuxcompatible.org/Netgear_GA311_c11498.html >> >> > On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 09:58 -0300, Ramon wrote: >> > >> >> I would like to know if there's a list of >> compatible giga nic's for the ltsp >> >> server. >> >> >> >> is this compatible? >> >> 1) >> > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833122133 >> >> 2) >> > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833338002 >> >> >> >> Can you say one that is compatible? >> >> Thanks >> > >> > >> > Don't know about those two specifically (you might >> want to check >> > Netgear's Web site), but here are the cards that I >> have successfully >> > used. >> > >> > - Intel PRO/1000 Fiber >> > - Amer.com C1000SX (Marvell Technology-based) >> > - Amer.com C1110 (Marvell Technology-based) >> > - Generic fiber Gig-E card (Level One NetCelerator >> LXT1001-based) >> > - The built-in Gig-E that comes with the nVidia >> nForce2 chipset (uses >> > the "forcedeth" driver) >> > >> > --TP >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From les at futuresource.com Fri Oct 14 18:27:09 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:27:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Centos 4.2 Message-ID: <1129314429.6795.125.camel@moola.futuresource.com> A big update to Centos is being rolled out to the mirrors now and they seem to be overloaded. Anyone running the Centos based distribution might want to hold off on updates for a few days and then plan to baby-sit a little more than usual. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From nbs at sonic.net Fri Oct 14 19:33:26 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:33:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <1129245597.7423.195.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <434DF446.7010008@shaw.ca> <9bd317560510122313m70d52d8bha3a1123a4aa294ed@mail.gmail.com> <434DFFD6.4070903@shaw.ca> <1129207343.7423.168.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051013173701.GA25627@sonic.net> <1129245597.7423.195.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20051014193326.GA24384@sonic.net> On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 07:19:57PM -0400, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Dunno, but I don't believe that background images are the issue. The > issue is the number of changes to the screen inherent in playing a game > like TuxType, TuxMath, Chromium, Doom/Quake, etc. The complexity of the > image itself doesn't matter, as long as it doesn't change. TuxType, > like Quake, simply has major, major amounts of simultaneous screen > changes. That's what makes it so bandwidth-hungry. Well, no reason not to but in a request that they add a 'low-bandwidth' version... less animation, reduce background complexity (solid colors rather than flashy, photographic bitmaps), etc. :) > > What kind of bandwidth does Tux paint use? (Note: the upcoming 0.9.15 > > will default to 800x600 at 24bpp, whereas previous versions defaulted > > to 640x480, and always used 16bpp) > > I guess that would depend on what's being done. If someone's making a > lot of changes to an image in TuxPaint, then bandwidth usage will go up, > depending on the number of changes to the screen that X11 has to make. > It's not so much a TuxType/TuxPaint/TuxAnything issue as it is an X11 > issue. Using the example of the (totally awesome, BTW) game Chromium > again, that took up a lot of bandwidth as well. Full-screen scrollers will certainly do it, yeah. My Defendguin game, for example, just reblits _everything_ every frame, since the player is often moving over the landscape... starfield is flying by, aliens are wobbling about and shooting all the time... Mad Bomber does less blitting... just erasing and redrawing the bombs as they fall. I _think_ Bug Squish is similarly simplified. (It also has a plain white background, meaning erasing is less expensive than the default Mad Bomber mode, which uses a bitmapped background. Mad Bomber has a 'Zen' option, though, to use Atari 2600-style solid background colors, though. ;^) ) > 10/100 NICs are so > cheap these days that I'd say, from a network perspective, your decision > of 800x600x24bpp is a good one. 640x480 was apparently getting pretty cramped, and Albert Callahan, who's also a Gimp hacker, came in and added some special effects and wanted 24bpp quality over 16bpp. It certainly looks better... no 16bpp green tinge. :^) (16bpp is typically R=5, G=6, B=5, since human eyes are more sensitive to green. That causes greenish printouts, though :^( ) (WOW I'm rambling, sorry!) -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Oct 14 19:43:11 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Centos 4.2 In-Reply-To: <1129314429.6795.125.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1129314429.6795.125.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > A big update to Centos is being rolled out to the mirrors now and they > seem to be overloaded. Anyone running the Centos based distribution > might want to hold off on updates for a few days and then plan to > baby-sit a little more than usual. I have the K12LTSP repo synced up now, if you skip the base and update repos you should be in good shape (until my server becomes overloaded ;-) yum --disablerepo=base --disablerepo=update upgrade -Eric From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 19:40:39 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:40:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: References: <1128333319.8195.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9bd317560510031220w3f1fdec7y72201da6f1082926@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510031306l30e63003lfe3a4f70bf71ec1c@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510031408q4b58afbbnd30c5e7426eb3f04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560510141240l53697722ued6bc885ec1ac413@mail.gmail.com> I'm affraid that our teachers might not remember to *x-out* of the vnc window and log out instead. Is there a way to remove the logout option in IceWM? That way I could have specific .icewm prefs for the account we use for vncreflector. Thanks, Peter On 10/3/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 10/3/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > I'm afraid that's not the problem here. There's no way to run this > > verbosely is there? > > Try this. > > $ps aux | grep [v]ncreflector > > then as root (fill in the blank with the pid from the line above) > > #kill -9 _____ > > then try to start the vNc session again in TT. I'm thinking maybe you > logged out of the vnc session. The vncreflector hangs in this case. > Hoping this is your problem. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > From jahnigl at hotmail.com Fri Oct 14 19:07:04 2005 From: jahnigl at hotmail.com (Lance Jahnig) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:07:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mystery terminal window after login In-Reply-To: <20051013110842.d20274c5@trunks> Message-ID: >From: Wilson Chan >Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Mystery terminal window after login >Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:08:42 -1000 > > > Is it set to remember the desktop? > > If you leave a terminal open, the next time you login, it restores the >terminal. > >Nope. When I logged out it just clicked "Log out". Is there a way to check >if the remember desktop setting is set? > > >-Wilson Yes In Gnome go to: Desktop -> Preferences -> More Preferences -> Sessions or run gnome-session-properties in a terminal in gnome From les at futuresource.com Fri Oct 14 19:59:12 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:59:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <20051014193326.GA24384@sonic.net> References: <434DF446.7010008@shaw.ca> <9bd317560510122313m70d52d8bha3a1123a4aa294ed@mail.gmail.com> <434DFFD6.4070903@shaw.ca> <1129207343.7423.168.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051013173701.GA25627@sonic.net> <1129245597.7423.195.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051014193326.GA24384@sonic.net> Message-ID: <1129319951.6795.147.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 14:33, Bill Kendrick wrote: > Mad Bomber does less blitting... just erasing and redrawing the bombs > as they fall. Shouldn't cards with 2d acceleration do the work of moving existing things around where an erase/redraw takes more cpu and bandwidth? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Fri Oct 14 20:06:23 2005 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:06:23 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Mystery terminal window after login In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051014100623.16f8801e@trunks> > > > Is it set to remember the desktop? > > > If you leave a terminal open, the next time you login, it restores the > >terminal. > > > >Nope. When I logged out it just clicked "Log out". Is there a way to check > >if the remember desktop setting is set? > > > > > >-Wilson > > Yes > In Gnome go to: > Desktop -> Preferences -> More Preferences -> Sessions > > or run gnome-session-properties in a terminal in gnome Is there a way to do this via the CLI? From nbs at sonic.net Fri Oct 14 20:06:45 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:06:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <1129319951.6795.147.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <434DF446.7010008@shaw.ca> <9bd317560510122313m70d52d8bha3a1123a4aa294ed@mail.gmail.com> <434DFFD6.4070903@shaw.ca> <1129207343.7423.168.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051013173701.GA25627@sonic.net> <1129245597.7423.195.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051014193326.GA24384@sonic.net> <1129319951.6795.147.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20051014200645.GA28329@sonic.net> On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 02:59:12PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 14:33, Bill Kendrick wrote: > > > Mad Bomber does less blitting... just erasing and redrawing the bombs > > as they fall. > > Shouldn't cards with 2d acceleration do the work of moving existing > things around where an erase/redraw takes more cpu and bandwidth? Well, the app has to tell the video driver/hardware/whatever _what_ things to erase/draw. If it's lazy (like Defendguin) and says "erase everything... now, redraw this, and this, and this, and this..." there's no chance for the video card to make things easy on the CPU and, in a thin-client situation, the network. So, again, apps like Tux Typing 2 should provide some less graphics-intensive options for people stuck with lower-end networks (10Mbps and 100Mbps) in their thin client setups. Just my opinion, of course. I have no real-world experience with K12LTSP. :^/ -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 19:59:57 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:59:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: References: <1128333319.8195.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9bd317560510031220w3f1fdec7y72201da6f1082926@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510031306l30e63003lfe3a4f70bf71ec1c@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510031408q4b58afbbnd30c5e7426eb3f04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560510141259h549176efrbcfae755b53c019@mail.gmail.com> I'm afraid that our teachers might not remember to *x-out* of the vnc window and log out instead. Is there a way to remove the logout option in IceWM? That way I could have specific .icewm prefs for the account we use for On 10/3/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 10/3/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > I'm afraid that's not the problem here. There's no way to run this > > verbosely is there? > > Try this. > > $ps aux | grep [v]ncreflector > > then as root (fill in the blank with the pid from the line above) > > #kill -9 _____ > > then try to start the vNc session again in TT. I'm thinking maybe you > logged out of the vnc session. The vncreflector hangs in this case. > Hoping this is your problem. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Oct 14 19:59:57 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:59:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: References: <1128333319.8195.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9bd317560510031220w3f1fdec7y72201da6f1082926@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510031306l30e63003lfe3a4f70bf71ec1c@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510031408q4b58afbbnd30c5e7426eb3f04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560510141259h549176efrbcfae755b53c019@mail.gmail.com> I'm afraid that our teachers might not remember to *x-out* of the vnc window and log out instead. Is there a way to remove the logout option in IceWM? That way I could have specific .icewm prefs for the account we use for On 10/3/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 10/3/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > I'm afraid that's not the problem here. There's no way to run this > > verbosely is there? > > Try this. > > $ps aux | grep [v]ncreflector > > then as root (fill in the blank with the pid from the line above) > > #kill -9 _____ > > then try to start the vNc session again in TT. I'm thinking maybe you > logged out of the vnc session. The vncreflector hangs in this case. > Hoping this is your problem. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Oct 14 21:44:55 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:44:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <20051014200645.GA28329@sonic.net> References: <434DF446.7010008@shaw.ca> <9bd317560510122313m70d52d8bha3a1123a4aa294ed@mail.gmail.com> <434DFFD6.4070903@shaw.ca> <1129207343.7423.168.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051013173701.GA25627@sonic.net> <1129245597.7423.195.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051014193326.GA24384@sonic.net> <1129319951.6795.147.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051014200645.GA28329@sonic.net> Message-ID: <1129326295.7423.219.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 13:06 -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote: > So, again, apps like Tux Typing 2 should provide some less graphics-intensive > options for people stuck with lower-end networks (10Mbps and 100Mbps) > in their thin client setups. Just my opinion, of course. I have no > real-world experience with K12LTSP. :^/ > Gig-E NICs, especially copper ones, are actually quite inexpensive these days. And while a decent 48-port switch w/ Gig-E uplinks is going to cost at least US$1K, remember that the cost savings inherent in implementing LTSP/K12LTSP far outweigh the costs of the switch or Gig-E NIC. That's true even if you go hog-wild and use that pricey Cisco gear (Catalyst 2950-48's are currently just under $2,700, Amer.com's equivalent is $999.98). I happen to do my servers with fiber Gig-E, and even with that, the cost savings are what, 1/5th or less of what a 20- station Windows lab of any sort would cost? If you go to 40 terminals, it's closer to 1/10th. So, for those who are in a "lower-end" network situation, remember what it would cost you to do it the *other* way (i. e. Windows). Anybody contemplating a lab of 20 clients by definition has that kind of money, else they wouldn't be contemplating it. :-) Therefore, LTSP, with a decent server and Gig-E switch, is a bargain, and Matt's folks would actually *save* money by getting a proper switched environment for LTSP. The alternative is close to $1,000 per Windows PC. Even at $500 per Windows PC, LTSP + decent switched network is a big, fat bargain. Matt, pick up a couple of Gig-E switches, one for each classroom, link them via Gig-E, and put your server on Gig-E as well. You will be much, much happier, and the business case is there. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What I could do is add another button to kill and re-run the vncreflector. But I may not get to it till xmas. I also want to add multi server support. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Sat Oct 15 01:06:07 2005 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:06:07 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Recommended GigE switches & GigE PCI nics? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051014150607.60971f59@trunks> Looking at a upgrading our school's LTSP servers with Gigabit nics and switches. What are you guys using and recommend? NewEgg has this Asus switch below for cheap. Anyone tried it? # ASUS GigaX1024P 10/100/1000Mbps Rack Mountable Smart Switch - Retail ($110) Dimensions: 1.7" x 17.5" x 7.9" MAC Address Table: 8K Ports: 24 RJ-45 for 10 /100Mbps BASE-TX ports 2 RJ-45 for 10/100/1000Mbps BASE-T ports Power: Power supply AC, 100~240VAC, 50/60HZ Power consumption: < 15W Security: UL1950 TUV Standards: IEEE 802.3, IEEE 802.3u, IEEE 802.3x, 802.3ab, 802.1p Switching Method: Store and Forward VLAN Support: Yes # Model #: GigaX1024P # Item #: N82E16833320404 From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Oct 15 01:33:38 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:33:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Recommended GigE switches & GigE PCI nics? In-Reply-To: <20051014150607.60971f59@trunks> References: <20051014150607.60971f59@trunks> Message-ID: <43505C72.5020308@stmarys-school.org> We have had very good luck with amer.com switches Wilson Chan wrote: > Looking at a upgrading our school's LTSP servers with Gigabit nics and switches. What are you guys using and recommend? > > NewEgg has this Asus switch below for cheap. Anyone tried it? > > # ASUS GigaX1024P 10/100/1000Mbps Rack Mountable Smart Switch - Retail ($110) > Dimensions: 1.7" x 17.5" x 7.9" > MAC Address Table: 8K > Ports: 24 RJ-45 for 10 /100Mbps BASE-TX ports 2 RJ-45 for 10/100/1000Mbps BASE-T ports > Power: Power supply AC, 100~240VAC, 50/60HZ Power consumption: < 15W > Security: UL1950 TUV > Standards: IEEE 802.3, IEEE 802.3u, IEEE 802.3x, 802.3ab, 802.1p > Switching Method: Store and Forward > VLAN Support: Yes > # Model #: GigaX1024P > # Item #: N82E16833320404 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Oct 15 02:00:41 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:00:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] how to disable password for screensaver in thin clients Message-ID: <8C79F43619D9C10-D98-21AC8@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> Hi, This may be just a simple problem but I can't get through to a solution. The screensaver on the thin clients kicks in after about 10 minutes then requires a password to unlock. OK so I disabled the root / admin password lock for the screensaver but that did not resolve the issue. So where and how is the screensaver for the clients configured? thks norbert __________________________________________________________________ Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and more. See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Oct 15 04:19:56 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 00:19:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Recommended GigE switches & GigE PCI nics? In-Reply-To: <43505C72.5020308@stmarys-school.org> References: <20051014150607.60971f59@trunks> <43505C72.5020308@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <1129349996.7423.235.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Careful with that ASUS switch; one of the reviews says that you need a Windows application to configure the thing. ASUS's Web site appears to confirm this. Since I refuse to use Windows, that switch therefore wouldn't work in my case, if I ever needed to tweak it. That said, I've used several switches with success. Here they are. Bay/Nortel BayStack 450-24T (has one Gig-E fiber interface) Amer.com's SR48G2i (newer version is now out) Cisco Catalyst 3548 and 3550-48 Only the BayStack 450-24T would be close in price to the ASUS offering, though; the Amer.com and (of course) Cisco offerings are considerably more expensive than $110. As long as you don't need to manage it, though, and you keep everything on autonegotiate, this ASUS offering probably would work fairly well. Good luck, --TP ______________________ Windows-free since 2003 On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 21:33 -0400, John Baillie wrote: > We have had very good luck with amer.com switches > > Wilson Chan wrote: > > Looking at a upgrading our school's LTSP servers with Gigabit nics and switches. What are you guys using and recommend? > > > > NewEgg has this Asus switch below for cheap. Anyone tried it? > > > > # ASUS GigaX1024P 10/100/1000Mbps Rack Mountable Smart Switch - Retail ($110) > > Dimensions: 1.7" x 17.5" x 7.9" > > MAC Address Table: 8K > > Ports: 24 RJ-45 for 10 /100Mbps BASE-TX ports 2 RJ-45 for 10/100/1000Mbps BASE-T ports > > Power: Power supply AC, 100~240VAC, 50/60HZ Power consumption: < 15W > > Security: UL1950 TUV > > Standards: IEEE 802.3, IEEE 802.3u, IEEE 802.3x, 802.3ab, 802.1p > > Switching Method: Store and Forward > > VLAN Support: Yes > > # Model #: GigaX1024P > > # Item #: N82E16833320404 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Oct 15 04:29:03 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 00:29:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Recommended GigE switches & GigE PCI nics? In-Reply-To: <43505C72.5020308@stmarys-school.org> References: <20051014150607.60971f59@trunks> <43505C72.5020308@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, October 14, 2005 at 9:33 PM +0000 wrote: >We have had very good luck with amer.com switches Ditto....and you can't beat the price. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Oct 15 04:23:35 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 00:23:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] how to disable password for screensaver in thin clients In-Reply-To: <8C79F43619D9C10-D98-21AC8@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C79F43619D9C10-D98-21AC8@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1129350215.7423.239.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> It appears to be the default setting, or at least it has been for every K12LTSP version I've ever used. Note that this is actually proper security, and so I'm glad it's the default. Disabling the root password lock for the screensaver will turn it off *for root*, but not for other userIDs. Users can always turn it off for their own userIDs. How to do that is of course dependent on the desktop chosen. --TP On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 22:00 -0400, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Hi, > > This may be just a simple problem but I can't get through to a > solution. The screensaver on the thin clients kicks in after about 10 > minutes then requires a password to unlock. OK so I disabled the root / > admin password lock for the screensaver but that did not resolve the > issue. > So where and how is the screensaver for the clients configured? > > thks > norbert > __________________________________________________________________ > Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! > Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select > delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new > Tool Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White > Pages and more. See for yourself at > http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Oct 15 14:42:11 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:42:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] how to disable password for screensaver in thin clients In-Reply-To: <1129350215.7423.239.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <8C79F43619D9C10-D98-21AC8@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> <1129350215.7423.239.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <8C79FADC2AD30DC-D98-2230A@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> Hi , Thanks for the clarification, so if I understand I need to log in as each user and disable the "lock" ? I'm using gnome as the default WM. thks norbert -----Original Message----- From: "Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= "Jr." To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 00:23:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] how to disable password for screensaver in thin clients It appears to be the default setting, or at least it has been for every K12LTSP version I've ever used. Note that this is actually proper security, and so I'm glad it's the default. Disabling the root password lock for the screensaver will turn it off *for root*, but not for other userIDs. Users can always turn it off for their own userIDs. How to do that is of course dependent on the desktop chosen. --TP On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 22:00 -0400, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: Hi, This may be just a simple problem but I can't get through to a solution. The screensaver on the thin clients kicks in after about 10 minutes then requires a password to unlock. OK so I disabled the root / admin password lock for the screensaver but that did not resolve the issue. So where and how is the screensaver for the clients configured? thks norbert __________________________________________________________________ Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and more. See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see __________________________________________________________________ Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and more. See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/ From I.Derks at translucent.nl Sat Oct 15 18:37:00 2005 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 20:37:00 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: VNC reflector SUCCESS!! with 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1129401421.28681.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hmmzz, just wondering, on a standard FC4 its no problem to connect to users who have activated their remote-desktop authorization, but on K12LTSP-4.2.1-EL your are logged in on GDM when you use "vncviewer 192.168.0.254:0" and connecting to a terminal client, say, vncviewer 192.168.0.253:0 will give no connection. Is there a special config to connect with vino to terminal clients? Kind regards, Imma On Tue, 2005-06-21 at 23:05 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > Forget all the stuff I wrote in my previous post. There is an easier solution. > > You don't need the tightvnc viewer. The real vnc viewer that ships > > with Fedora/Centos works. Simply invoke the viewer with the -Shared > > switch. And force hextile encoding for good measure. > > > > vncviewer -Shared -PreferedEncoding hextile `hostname`:99 > > > > Check the syntax. Just view the man page for vncviewer. > > > > You can also edit the current TeacherTool python script with this mod > > and it should work fine. It's just one line. That line also has the > > -passwd path as well. > > Forget all of this, there is an even easier method! (but a buggy one, > it needs a few fixes for an LTSP environment). There is a GNOME front- > end that essentially runs "vncviewer -Shared...." > > Install the "vino" package (yum install vino) and then from the GNOME > menu select Desktop -> Preferences -> Remote Desktop. Click on the "Allow > others to view your desktop" and uncheck the "Allow others to control > your desktop". There are also check boxes for requiring a confirmation > and/or a password. (the executable is "vino-preferences" if you want to > try it from IceWM) > > We played around with this while upgrading the Riverdale servers to > the 4.4.0 beta this weekend (vino is included in 4.2.1 & 4.2.1EL as well). > > It does indeed work in a K12LTSP environment. It needs a few minor > enhancements to work well, Shahms said he had a good idea on how to > improve it for K12LTSP and would work on it. > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From log at ejourney.com Sat Oct 15 20:14:06 2005 From: log at ejourney.com (john p. neal) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:14:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] UNSCURBE Message-ID: <001001c5d1c4$ff924b60$95dc6fc6@computer> PLEAS TAKE ME OFF YOUR LIST THANK YOU G.N. LIG at EJOURNEY.COM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Oct 15 21:11:53 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:11:53 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Re: VNC reflector SUCCESS!! with 4.2.1EL Message-ID: <200510152320.j9FNKob05958@downeast.net> i use x11vnc to connect to client displays..with a button in run menu of Teachertool some use vnc.so..vncviewer cant connect to display:0 far as i know.. notes on wiki under new and crazy development .chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From sbarar at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 03:29:50 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:59:50 +0530 Subject: [OT to Thread] Re: [K12OSN] how to disable password for screensaver in thin clients In-Reply-To: <8C79FADC2AD30DC-D98-2230A@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C79F43619D9C10-D98-21AC8@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> <1129350215.7423.239.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <8C79FADC2AD30DC-D98-2230A@mblkn-m15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <774593a20510152029t495a0535l5d33bf033e9f7426@mail.gmail.com> On 10/15/05, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Hi , > > Thanks for the clarification, so if I understand I need to log in as > each user and disable the "lock" ? > I'm using gnome as the default WM. > > thks > norbert > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= "Jr." > > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Sent: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 00:23:35 -0400 > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] how to disable password for screensaver in thin > clients > > It appears to be the default setting, or at least it has been for > every K12LTSP version I've ever used. Note that this is actually proper > security, and so I'm glad it's the default. Disabling the root password > lock for the screensaver will turn it off *for root*, but not for other > userIDs. > > Users can always turn it off for their own userIDs. How to do that is > of course dependent on the desktop chosen. > > --TP > > On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 22:00 -0400, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: Hi, > > This may be just a simple problem but I can't get through to a > solution. The screensaver on the thin clients kicks in after about 10 > minutes then requires a password to unlock. OK so I disabled the root / > admin password lock for the screensaver but that did not resolve the > issue. > So where and how is the screensaver for the clients configured? > > thks > norbert > __________________________________________________________________ > Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! > Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select > delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new > Tool Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White > Pages and more. See for yourself at > http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! > Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select > delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new > Tool Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White > Pages and more. See for yourself at > http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I know this is again going to raise some hackles but guys can we bottom post? Look at the small thread above and you will realise that most of the top posters do not bother to edit or snip even the headers and this leads to mails with one/two lines and LOTS of junk cluttering up the disc space. Bottom posting OTOH would have automatically snipped out the repeated signatures and tagged line? It is not about rules but about good behaviour. Sorry for the OT rejoinder. To the OP: Yes you will have to do individual edit OR why not remove the screensaver package by rpm-e packagename?? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From I.Derks at translucent.nl Sun Oct 16 07:35:52 2005 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:35:52 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: VNC reflector SUCCESS!! with 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: <200510152320.j9FNKob05958@downeast.net> References: <200510152320.j9FNKob05958@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1129448152.25401.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-10-15 at 21:11 +0000, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > i use x11vnc to connect to client displays..with a button in run menu of > Teachertool some use vnc.so..vncviewer cant connect to display:0 far as i > know.. Jeps, just wondering why vino/remote-desktop doesnt work out of the box. I saw Eric making comments that it should work in an LTSP environment. should I put some vnc server libs/bins in the LTSP tree? Imma From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Sun Oct 16 17:58:38 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 12:58:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] how to disable password for screensaver in thin clients Message-ID: <435294CE.9010003@honeygroveisd.net> >Hi , >> >> Thanks for the clarification, so if I understand I need to log in as >> each user and disable the "lock" ? >> I'm using gnome as the default WM. >> >> thks >> norbert The following was posted here a while back. It worked for me. Turn off screen saver locking: Edit: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver and change the "*lock:" and "*lockVTs:" entries from: *lock: True *lockVTs: False to: *lock: False *lockVTs: True -- C-ya, Mark ____ There are 336 dimples on a regulation golf ball. From les at futuresource.com Sun Oct 16 18:30:29 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:30:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: VNC reflector SUCCESS!! with 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: <200510152320.j9FNKob05958@downeast.net> References: <200510152320.j9FNKob05958@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1129487429.28349.24.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-10-15 at 16:11, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > i use x11vnc to connect to client displays..with a button in run menu of > Teachertool some use vnc.so..vncviewer cant connect to display:0 far as i > know.. You can only have one thing listening per address/port. If you want to enable the X vnc module on the server console so you can connect to display:0 there, you have to disable the xinetd-started sessions on port 5900 which is set up by default on k12ltsp. Vnc maps 'screens' to port 5900 + screen number, so you could edit /etc/services and change vnc-1024x768x16 5900/tcp to vnc-1024x768x16 5906 and restart xinetd. Then if you add the LoadModule vnc and an appropriate password setting to your xorg.conf file, screen :0 becomes the console session and screen :6 becomes a new session with a 1024x768x16 display (this part is controlled by settings in /etc/inetd.d/vncts) -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Oct 17 14:49:02 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:49:02 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing passwords on Samba3/OpenLDAP system Message-ID: <4353B9DE.3070603@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Over the summer I setup a Samba3/OpenLDAP PDC using the smbldap-installer script and it seems to be working quite nicely now. The boss has just come in and asked if there is a simple way to allow staff users to change there passwords. I did think it was just a matter of allowing this in the policy as we use Win2K clients but it would mean setting up policies for all staff users and I don't really want to have to do this as at the mo everyone except a few admin staff use the default policy. Is there a web based system that I could use to allow staff to change passwords, I did think about using Usermin from Webmin but it lookeda little confusing when I looked at the install when it started to talk about setting up PAM modules :-) How do other people manage this ?? Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Oct 17 15:39:42 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:39:42 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Changing passwords on Samba3/OpenLDAP system Message-ID: <200510171748.j9HHmQe02314@downeast.net> SSo you have it set so the password dialogue wont come up either when password is about to expire or when pushing ctrl-alt-delete on a windows box? 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With every second click on the www we get this error (113) No route to host Generated Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:14:41 GMT by proxy (squid/2.5.STABLE5) I know our net connection is fine and after a few more clicks it works but not for long. I've tried restarting squid, clearing and rebuilding the cache, but the problem's still there. Any ideas? Thanks Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Oct 18 03:22:13 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:22:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1129605733.31571.15.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Mon, 2005-10-17 at 12:25 -0400, DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org wrote: > > Has anyone experienced difficulties with Open Office refusing to load > on a Centos EL based K12LTSP server? > > Thanks, > > Don Nope, not I. 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Thanks for everyone?s work in making this all From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Oct 18 07:47:57 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:47:57 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing passwords on Samba3/OpenLDAP system In-Reply-To: <200510171748.j9HHmQe02314@downeast.net> References: <200510171748.j9HHmQe02314@downeast.net> Message-ID: <4354A8AD.8020803@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > SSo you have it set so the password dialogue wont come up either when > password is about to expire or when pushing ctrl-alt-delete on a windows box? > Yes at the moment the "Change Password" on the Ctrl-Alt-Del is greyed out. I think I might have a solution but I've got to investigate further. If I get it resolved I'll let everyone know. Brian > I have still not been able to enable smbldap-passwd from the linux side as > a regular user if that is what you mean..i CAN force a dialogue at linux > login which calls smbldap-passwd but cant seem to run it from an ltsp > server with independent > ldapserver..chuck > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From brcisna at frontiernet.net Tue Oct 18 11:33:20 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (brcisna at frontiernet.net) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:33:20 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp on port 1067 ? Message-ID: <20051018113320.tria6er2ma24ogg4@webmail.frontiernet.net> Hello List, Does anyone have a good "howto" on setting up dhcp to run on port 1067( rather than port 67/default). I tryed using the option 128 & option 129- "DPORT=1067" in the dhcp.conf file along with the appropriate MAC address for this client.I of course used the rom-o -matic ZDSK,for the 1067/1068 ports configured in for this client/NIC. the client boots sees the NIC but stops with "NO IPADDRESS".Also when i do tail -f /var/log/messages, the server NEVER gets a request( nothing comes up), from the client so im not sure what is missing in this picture. I can comment out the two >128& 129 entries,,and with a default boot floppy and the same client boots up fine.I remember seeing a single conf file that started with DHCPARGS= , but cant remember were this file is? I think i need to add the -p 1067 that the dhcpd.startup script sees for dhcp options. I tryed adding -p 1067 to the dhcpd script,,,but after doing so, when i restart dhcpd,service,,it fails saying"too many comments"? We are running K12LTSP 4.1.1 Thanks for any info. Barry Cisna From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Oct 18 11:52:38 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:52:38 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp on port 1067 ? Message-ID: <200510181401.j9IE1Gu08891@downeast.net> bhaskar mandas article is the Best on alternate dhcp..at the time there was no easy way to pass dhcp options to the kernel until 2.4.21..now that is almost trivial to do with jammcqs fix..i have seven schools running on port 1002 but 1067 is now easy to work with.. btw etherboot-5.0.11 is most stable version and doenloading and using the source gives you great control..chuck wiki has this http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#Use_different_port_numbers_for_t > Hello List, > > Does anyone have a good "howto" on setting up dhcp to run on port 1067( > rather than port 67/default). > I tryed using the option 128 & option 129- "DPORT=1067" in the > dhcp.conf file along with the appropriate MAC address for this client.I > of course used the rom-o -matic ZDSK,for the 1067/1068 ports configured > in for this client/NIC. the client boots sees the NIC but stops with > "NO IPADDRESS".Also when i do tail -f /var/log/messages, the server > NEVER gets a request( nothing comes up), from the client so im not sure > what is missing in this picture. > I can comment out the two >128& 129 entries,,and with a default boot > floppy and the same client boots up fine.I remember seeing a single > conf file that started with DHCPARGS= , but cant remember were this > file is? I think i need to add the -p 1067 that the dhcpd.startup > script sees for dhcp options. I tryed adding -p 1067 to the dhcpd > script,,,but after doing so, when i restart dhcpd,service,,it fails > saying"too many comments"? > > We are running K12LTSP 4.1.1 > > Thanks for any info. > > Barry Cisna > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From gumprechtm at msad3.org Tue Oct 18 12:39:24 2005 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:39:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4354ECFC.4040603@msad3.org> No, not on the centos4. But I sit here this morning at one of my fc2 installs with that issue. Every once in a while a user seems to hang up the OO. I usually just reboot the server because it is easier than killing all the processes for that user. I believe that someone wrote a script to kill off lingering processes of users. HTH Mark DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org wrote: > > Has anyone experienced difficulties with Open Office refusing to load > on a Centos EL based K12LTSP server? > > Thanks, > > Don > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I believe that someone wrote a > script to kill off lingering processes of users. > HTH > Mark > > > DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org wrote: > >> >> Has anyone experienced difficulties with Open Office refusing to load >> on a Centos EL based K12LTSP server? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Don >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see *MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.k12os.org" claiming to be* >> > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msad3.org > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Oct 18 14:09:00 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:09:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] cybercafe software - ltsp + win32 clients? Message-ID: <20051018070900.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.76dd1a6b92.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> This is a little OT, if you are also setting up a POS system, check out http://www.napsis.com/en/desarrollo_ntpv.html. They have done a great job with the layout and functionality of the application. I am going to be showing it to several customers that need a POS system. And of course it is GPL. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] cybercafe software - ltsp + win32 clients? > From: "light being" > Date: Mon, October 17, 2005 11:00 pm > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Hi there, I?m installing K12LTSP in a cybercafe, and have been looking for a > cybercafe time-management program. Has anyone found one that will work with > LTSP, and win32 clients? > > I?ve found several that work with one or the other. Not both. > > Thanks for everyone?s work in making this all > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 19:06:53 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:06:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Easy Visual Mapping of Edubuntu / K12LTSP Installations Message-ID: This is so easy, just worth putting yourself on the map. Only North America for now, from what I can see. Uses GoogleMaps Edubuntu: http://www.risingconcepts.com/frapper/edubuntu K12LTSP & LTSP: http://www.risingconcepts.com/frapper/k12ltsp Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Uses GoogleMaps > > Edubuntu: http://www.risingconcepts.com/frapper/edubuntu > K12LTSP & LTSP: http://www.risingconcepts.com/frapper/k12ltsp > > > Steve > > -- > Steve Hargadon > 916-899-1400 direct > www.technologyrescue.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Only North America > for now, from what I can see. Uses GoogleMaps I'm pretty sure you should be able to add from any city in the world. Just expand the view to see the globe. I think this is a great idea! People should put how long they have been up and how many seats they have . I forgot to put the number of seats. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 23:29:13 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:29:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Easy Visual Mapping of Edubuntu / K12LTSP Installations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/18/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > On 10/18/05, Steve Hargadon wrote: > > This is so easy, just worth putting yourself on the map. Only North > America > > for now, from what I can see. Uses GoogleMaps > > I'm pretty sure you should be able to add from any city in the world. > Just expand the view to see the globe. I tried to add a fictitious record for Ontario, Canada, and it didn't show up. Maybe someone else will figure out how to do. I think this is a great idea! People should put how long they have > been up and how many seats they have . I forgot to put the number of > seats. I think it would be pretty compelling to show to someone who asks: "Is anyone else doing thin-client Linux?" -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed Oct 19 01:54:04 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:54:04 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: [Ltsp-discuss] Audio usage on Thin Clients In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200510190154.j9J1sokS024537@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> -----Original Message----- From: ltsp-discuss-admin at lists.sourceforge.net [mailto:ltsp-discuss-admin at lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Jim McQuillan Sent: Sunday, 16 October 2005 10:38 a.m. To: John Nicholls Cc: ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Audio usage on Thin Clients >Some times of users really need audio. Take schools, especially the >younger kids that want to play games or educational software. having >sound is pretty nice. Yes. Sound is essential for primary schools. It would be great if it just worked with LTSP. At our school we have been running KLTSP for over a year and overall we are very happy with it. But problems with sound have been a real drawback. Gcompris is good but sometimes the sound works and sometimes it doesn't. In some application and not in others. All the terminals are the same, but some users have sound and some do not. We also have not got the sound working on websites yet. Sound is an area that would really make the system complete. We have Sound-blaster compatible ISA sound cards (Compaq SFF EN-ESS sound card). In addition to the K12LTSP applications (Gcompris, Openoffice, Mozilla, TuxMaths etc) we also run Crossover Office (MS Powerpoint, Windows media player). We are also considering Win4Lin to cover educational apps that don't run with Crossover Office. Does sound work with Win4Lin? We are currently using K12ltsp 4.2. Would upgrading to K12lstsp 4.4.1 help us with sound? What happened to Munas? It looked like they had a good product, but their website hasn't been updated since May 2004. Are there any other developments in network sound? One alternative is to run programs locally, but that also seems tricky. Any advice or updates would be very much appreciated. Regards, Krsnendu dasa From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 02:52:14 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:52:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: [Ltsp-discuss] Audio usage on Thin Clients In-Reply-To: <200510190154.j9J1sokS024537@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> References: <200510190154.j9J1sokS024537@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: On 10/18/05, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > ...Sound is an area that would really make the system complete. > We have Sound-blaster compatible ISA sound cards (Compaq SFF EN-ESS sound > card). In addition to the K12LTSP applications (Gcompris, Openoffice, > Mozilla, TuxMaths etc) we also run Crossover Office (MS Powerpoint, Windows > media player). We are also considering Win4Lin to cover educational apps > that don't run with Crossover Office. Can you list the apps you need to run that don't run properly on Crossover Office (leaving aside the issue of sound)? Thanks, Dan From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Oct 19 04:07:31 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:07:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Saving Monitor Power Message-ID: <4355C683.4010201@snarlnet.com> Hi, Does anyone know how to get k12ltsp to shut the monitor down after a period of inactiviy? My monitors go dim, but the power light stays green and they are hot to the touch, I'd like them to really sleep, so they aren't consuming as much power and generating as much heat. I tried adding: X_DPMS = Y X_DPMS_STANDBYTIME = 5 X_DPMS_OFFTIME = 30 X_DPMS_SUSPENDTIME = 15 to ltsp.conf, but it had no effect. I'm using a version of k12ltsp that's a couple generations old. The FC2 based one. TIA, ck From admin at bookpeople.com Wed Oct 19 06:14:48 2005 From: admin at bookpeople.com (David Neimeyer) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 01:14:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] cybercafe software - ltsp + win32 clients? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1129702488.958.66.camel@ws016.ltsp> On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 00:00 -0400, light being wrote: > Hi there, Im installing K12LTSP in a cybercafe, and have been looking for a > cybercafe time-management program. Has anyone found one that will work with > LTSP, and win32 clients? > > Ive found several that work with one or the other. Not both. > > Thanks for everyones work in making this all light being, I'm not sure what's out there that will work with both. I assume that the customer terminals belong to your establishment, ie, not laptops that others bring in (with wifi expectations)? I recall there use to be a program called MeterMaid on the LTSP.org site, in the contribution area (http://ltsp.org/contrib/index.php) . I tried it several months back, but decided not to use it for some reason or another. So I wrote my own management application with bash/awk/etc. My solution is based on pre-existing user accounts on the LTSP server, so it may not be dynamic enough for your situation. As well, it's a custom solution, and I haven't had the time to rework it into a "out-of- box" solution for community consumption yet. I hope things work out for cafe! email me if your interested. -- David Neimeyer BookPeople, Inc. Systems Administrator 603 N. Lamar Austin, TX 78703 800-853-9757 x 402 From tlegge at rogers.com Wed Oct 19 10:21:57 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 07:21:57 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Easy Visual Mapping of Edubuntu / K12LTSP Installations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43561E45.6020306@rogers.com> Steve Hargadon wrote: > On 10/18/05, *Robert Arkiletian* > wrote: > > On 10/18/05, Steve Hargadon > wrote: > > This is so easy, just worth putting yourself on the map. Only > North America > > for now, from what I can see. Uses GoogleMaps > > I'm pretty sure you should be able to add from any city in the world. > Just expand the view to see the globe. > > > I tried to add a fictitious record for Ontario, Canada, and it didn't > show up. Maybe someone else will figure out how to do. Your issue may be related to the fact that Ontario is not a City. Its a province. I started typing Toronto and it seemed to work fine... Tim From bkovach at logrog.net Wed Oct 19 14:39:47 2005 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 09:39:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] user accounts not working Message-ID: <56414.216.229.68.126.1129732787.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Some of my users are not able to logon. I haven't figgured out why. They enter their login name, then their password. The computer starts to load the DM (I think that's where it is in the process), then the screen goes blank for a minute or so, then the login screen comes back up. No error messages. I know I should be able to tail this, but I don't know how. BK -- Life is a race. Don't lose. From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Wed Oct 19 15:06:50 2005 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Oregon TESA - Weird problems with TESA Session Message-ID: <39342.163.41.146.7.1129734410.squirrel@webmail.lane.k12.or.us> Colleagues (especially those in Oregon)- I have just become aware of a problem using the TESA testing session this year. During reading tests particularly (Math tests seem to be unaffected), the portion of the page that contains the answers will disappear after a seemingly random number of questions. One can hit the "P" in the corner to make the answers available again in a floating box, but they cannot be answered there. Are any of you seeing this behavior and discovered a fix? I am running a fully updated 4.4.1 server. Also, only schools that are using terminal servers to test have begun testing, so I do not yet know if this affects other platforms or the "official" secure browser. -- -Regards- Quentin Hartman Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon V (541)767-3778 F (541)767-3041 www.slane.k12.or.us From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Oct 19 15:42:47 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:42:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Oregon TESA - Weird problems with TESA Session In-Reply-To: <39342.163.41.146.7.1129734410.squirrel@webmail.lane.k12.or.us> References: <39342.163.41.146.7.1129734410.squirrel@webmail.lane.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43566977.6010604@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Quentin Hartman wrote: > Colleagues (especially those in Oregon)- > > I have just become aware of a problem using the TESA testing session this > year. During reading tests particularly (Math tests seem to be > unaffected), the portion of the page that contains the answers will > disappear after a seemingly random number of questions. One can hit the > "P" in the corner to make the answers available again in a floating box, > but they cannot be answered there. Are any of you seeing this behavior and > discovered a fix? I am running a fully updated 4.4.1 server. Also, only > schools that are using terminal servers to test have begun testing, so I > do not yet know if this affects other platforms or the "official" secure > browser. > > I have not heard of this specific problem. But over the last couple of days we have been hacking on "alternate" TESA support. Once of the more promising approaches we are working on is to "port" the Vanguard chrome to the latest versions of Firefox and Mozilla. We have pretty much everything working but the automatic full-screen mode. Anyone know how to get Firefox to startup in full screen mode? (i.e. pressing F11). Here is quick HOWTO. This will create a "shared" installed of a TESA browser that does not require per-user configuration. This example uses firefox behind the scenes, but with slight modification it can use Mozilla or Netscape. I'll script this all when it is done... 1) download and install the official TESA Vantage "secure" browser for one user. 2) mkdir /etc/tesa 3) cd ~/.phoenix/vanguard/*.slt/ 4) cp vanguard.* /etc/tesa/ 5) cd ~/vanguard/chrome 6) cp vanguard.jar xptk.jar jslib.jar /usr/lib/firefox-*/chrome/ 8) append this to /usr/lib/firefox-*/chrome/installed-chrome.txt content,install,url,jar:resource:/chrome/jslib.jar!// content,install,url,jar:resource:/chrome/xptk.jar!// content,install,url,jar:resource:/chrome/vanguard.jar!// 9) create a script to start firefox with the TESA chrome. Here is a rough example: #!/bin/bash firefox -CreateProfile vanguard; cp -f /etc/tesa/vanguard.* ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.vanguard/ firefox -P vanguard -chrome chrome://vanguard/content/ & -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Wed Oct 19 16:04:11 2005 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 09:04:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Oregon TESA - Weird problems with TESA Session In-Reply-To: <43566977.6010604@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <39342.163.41.146.7.1129734410.squirrel@webmail.lane.k12.or.us> <43566977.6010604@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1129737852.10135.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 08:42 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > Anyone know how to get Firefox to startup in full screen mode? (i.e. > pressing F11). There is a plugin that will enable Firefox to start in kiosk mode. I am using it at home on my PVR. It is available at https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=954 . Not sure if this is able to be set per user or per session, it may break stuff for normal FF use. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, OR From gumprechtm at msad3.org Wed Oct 19 16:18:37 2005 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:18:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] user accounts not working In-Reply-To: <56414.216.229.68.126.1129732787.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <56414.216.229.68.126.1129732787.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <435671DD.6090606@msad3.org> Brandon, Can they logon in a windows environment? If yes, do you have disk quota enabled? If yes, use webmin from the system page, disk quota, user/group, enter the users name and click on edit quota. It will tell you how much space they are using and their limits. HTH Mark Brandon Kovach wrote: >Some of my users are not able to logon. I haven't figgured out why. They >enter their login name, then their password. The computer starts to load >the DM (I think that's where it is in the process), then the screen goes >blank for a minute or so, then the login screen comes back up. No error >messages. I know I should be able to tail this, but I don't know how. > >BK > > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Oct 19 16:10:48 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:10:48 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] user accounts not working Message-ID: <200510191819.j9JIJHV03569@downeast.net> > Brandon, do they have homedirs?? --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From bkovach at logrog.net Wed Oct 19 18:06:10 2005 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:06:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] user accounts not working In-Reply-To: <200510191819.j9JIJHV03569@downeast.net> References: <200510191819.j9JIJHV03569@downeast.net> Message-ID: <43310.216.229.68.126.1129745170.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Yes, they have home directories. And all the files in the home directories seem to be on par with what is in my home directory. My account works. Many many others work. A few (30) do not. >> Brandon, > do they have > homedirs?? > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Life is a race. Don't lose. From bkovach at logrog.net Wed Oct 19 18:07:36 2005 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:07:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] user accounts not working In-Reply-To: <435671DD.6090606@msad3.org> References: <56414.216.229.68.126.1129732787.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <435671DD.6090606@msad3.org> Message-ID: <43546.216.229.68.126.1129745256.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> We do not have disk quotas enabled on our server as we are not even close to approaching the volume limit. Even with our 600 users, we are at 28% usage. BK > Brandon, > Can they logon in a windows environment? If yes, do you have disk quota > enabled? If yes, use webmin from the system page, disk quota, > user/group, enter the users name and click on edit quota. It will tell > you how much space they are using and their limits. > HTH > Mark > > Brandon Kovach wrote: > >>Some of my users are not able to logon. I haven't figgured out why. >> They >>enter their login name, then their password. The computer starts to load >>the DM (I think that's where it is in the process), then the screen goes >>blank for a minute or so, then the login screen comes back up. No error >>messages. I know I should be able to tail this, but I don't know how. >> >>BK >> >> >> >> > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msad3.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Life is a race. Don't lose. From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Wed Oct 19 18:08:28 2005 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:08:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Login or not to Login...that is the question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43568B9C.2060102@independence.k12.ia.us> Hi Frank, You may have already checked this, but I had this problem initially. Make sure on your macserver that your users have a shell account chosen in Workgroup Manager. Mine initially defaulted to a login shell of "none". I changed my setting to /bin/bash, and those users can now login. Brad Frank Lee wrote: >This is really weird. I have a K12LTSP Terminal Server that is reading >account information off a OSX 10.4 LDAP server. > >Mounting user directories through NFS (Thanks to a couple pointers from >David Trask). It works like a charm. > >However it seems about 1/2 the users can login. The other half get flashed >(oh my!) by a black screen and right back to the login box. > >No rhyme or reason. If the user works, it works, if a user doesn't they >don't at all. However it does not seem to be happening to a specific >selection of users in any way. > >The users are all in the same group, they're all based on the same setup, >etc. The ones that don't work don't seem to be writing the .g* (.gconf, >etc) directories on login. This prompted me to check permissions on the >home directory, etc and all is well. > >Any ideas? > >Thanks! > >-F > > > -- Brad Johnson Technology Director Independence Community School District Independence, IA 50644 (319) 334-7405 ext 119 From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Oct 19 18:13:07 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:13:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] user accounts not working In-Reply-To: <56414.216.229.68.126.1129732787.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <56414.216.229.68.126.1129732787.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <43568CB3.6010308@mesd.k12.or.us> Brandon Kovach wrote: > Some of my users are not able to logon. I haven't figgured out why. They > enter their login name, then their password. The computer starts to load > the DM (I think that's where it is in the process), then the screen goes > blank for a minute or so, then the login screen comes back up. No error > messages. I know I should be able to tail this, but I don't know how. Can you try other session types? If they can log in under Failsafe, then that narrows it down a bit. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From mpribik at zoznam.sk Wed Oct 19 19:35:03 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:35:03 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] user accounts not working References: <56414.216.229.68.126.1129732787.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <000f01c5d4e4$340e6dc0$0100a8c0@Marian> This situation also happened to me in the case when the user was logon and on other PC somebody logon with the same account. Then the both PCs restarted to the login screen. Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon Kovach" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 3:39 PM Subject: [K12OSN] user accounts not working > Some of my users are not able to logon. I haven't figgured out why. They > enter their login name, then their password. The computer starts to load > the DM (I think that's where it is in the process), then the screen goes > blank for a minute or so, then the login screen comes back up. No error > messages. I know I should be able to tail this, but I don't know how. > > BK > > > -- > Life is a race. Don't lose. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Oct 19 18:43:38 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:43:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ipod as a usb-device Message-ID: <435693DA.8030002@paasda.org> One of the more enterprising students tried attaching his iPod mini to the USB port and using the floppyd application to view files he'd saved on the iPod... apparently it does not communicate the same way as a flash drive does as it was unrecognized. Has anyone attempted this or found a hack around it? So a student CAN use their ipod as the usb device? maybe it has to be plugged in while the client is booting? --Huck From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Wed Oct 19 18:47:29 2005 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:47:29 -0400 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20ipod=20as=20a=20usb-devic?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?e?= Message-ID: I dont know about the mini but the shuffle (iPod) is usb compatible, i installed a light version of Linux (feather linux) and it boot great. Have'nt tried it on a thin client. >>> dhuckaby at paasda.org 2005-10-19 14:43:38 >>> One of the more enterprising students tried attaching his iPod mini to the USB port and using the floppyd application to view files he'd saved on the iPod... apparently it does not communicate the same way as a flash drive does as it was unrecognized. Has anyone attempted this or found a hack around it? So a student CAN use their ipod as the usb device? maybe it has to be plugged in while the client is booting? --Huck _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bkovach at logrog.net Wed Oct 19 18:48:35 2005 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:48:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] user accounts not working In-Reply-To: <43568CB3.6010308@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <56414.216.229.68.126.1129732787.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43568CB3.6010308@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <52076.216.229.68.126.1129747715.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> They can login in failsafe and in ICE. Gnome, no. Yesterday when I was working on this, they couldn't use ICe. As I left, I ran the reset-desktops-all script and then tried in gnome and they did not get fixed, however it seems to have made Ice work again. Hm .... BK > Brandon Kovach wrote: >> Some of my users are not able to logon. I haven't figgured out why. >> They >> enter their login name, then their password. The computer starts to >> load >> the DM (I think that's where it is in the process), then the screen goes >> blank for a minute or so, then the login screen comes back up. No error >> messages. I know I should be able to tail this, but I don't know how. > > Can you try other session types? If they can log in under Failsafe, then > that narrows it down a bit. > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Life is a race. Don't lose. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Oct 19 19:10:00 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:10:00 -0700 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_=5BK12OSN=5D_ipod_as_a?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_usb-device?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43569A08.4000306@paasda.org> yeah..I'm try'n on a thin client... the shuffle IS a flash drive I believe whereas the Ipod or the Mini is a harddrive I believe..not sure if there is some communication breakdown because of that or no. --Huck Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > I dont know about the mini but the shuffle (iPod) is usb compatible, i > installed a light version of Linux (feather linux) and it boot great. > Have'nt tried it on a thin client. > > > >>> dhuckaby at paasda.org 2005-10-19 14:43:38 >>> > One of the more enterprising students tried attaching his iPod mini to > the USB port and using the floppyd application to view files he'd saved > on the iPod... > > apparently it does not communicate the same way as a flash drive does as > it was unrecognized. > > Has anyone attempted this or found a hack around it? > So a student CAN use their ipod as the usb device? > maybe it has to be plugged in while the client is booting? > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Oct 19 19:08:15 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:08:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] user accounts not working In-Reply-To: <52076.216.229.68.126.1129747715.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <56414.216.229.68.126.1129732787.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43568CB3.6010308@mesd.k12.or.us> <52076.216.229.68.126.1129747715.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <4356999F.30300@mesd.k12.or.us> Brandon Kovach wrote: > They can login in failsafe and in ICE. Gnome, no. Yesterday when I was > working on this, they couldn't use ICe. As I left, I ran the > reset-desktops-all script and then tried in gnome and they did not get > fixed, however it seems to have made Ice work again. Might try deleting the user's .gnome2 dir, as that isn't deleted by the Reset your Desktop session. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From frank at oobschools.org Wed Oct 19 19:25:54 2005 From: frank at oobschools.org (Frank Lee) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:25:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] migration question - nfs freezing? In-Reply-To: <43319908.5050204@yahoo.it> Message-ID: On 9/21/05 1:31 PM, "Antonello Facchetti" wrote: > Petre Scheie wrote: > >> I had a similar problem with an older client that was running an ISA > 3Com NIC over coax. Jim McQuillan pointed me to > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS to fix the problem. Also, > this past weekend, I tried out an old 486 with a PCI NIC (with a RealTek > 8139 chip) that had similar symptoms when it was connected to my 100Mbit > switch. I moved it to an old 10Mbit hub, which then had an upstream > link to the 100Mbit switch to which the server was connected, and then > it worked fine. HTH >> >> Petre >> > that was it! > I solved the problem adding the two lines suggested in the wiki to lts.conf. > The problem was caused by 100Mbit nics connecting through a 100/1000 > switch to a server with 1000Mbit nic. > > thank you a lot > > Antonello Hi, I know this was a while ago, I'm running into the sort-of the same thing. However I'm a little confused. The issue described in the WIKI is spot-on. Out of the box 4.2.1 works on a 100Mb NIC thru a Gb switch to my 7 iMacs. No problems. I upgraded the card to a Gb NIC, and tried to change everything over without a reinstall, and well, I made more of a mess than I should have. So I reinstalled. Figured while I was at it, might as well download and install the 4.4.1 iso's. On boot I get your problem. NFS Server 192.168.0.254 not responding, will keep trying. I went through the steps in the WIKI and now I get: NFS Server 192.168.0.254 not responding, will keep trying NFS Server 192.168.0.254 not responding, will keep trying NFS Server 192.168.0.254 OK And then it hangs. The WIKI has you change the dhcpd.conf file. You said something about changing the lts.conf? I can't seem to figure out what needs to be changed in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf Do you remember what you did there? -F -- Frank P. Lee Old Orchard Beach Schools Technology Department http://helpdesk.oobschools.org From petre at maltzen.net Wed Oct 19 20:41:39 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:41:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] migration question - nfs freezing? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4356AF83.8030509@maltzen.net> Frank Lee wrote: > Hi, I know this was a while ago, I'm running into the sort-of the same > thing. However I'm a little confused. > > The issue described in the WIKI is spot-on. Out of the box 4.2.1 works on a > 100Mb NIC thru a Gb switch to my 7 iMacs. No problems. > > I upgraded the card to a Gb NIC, and tried to change everything over without > a reinstall, and well, I made more of a mess than I should have. > > So I reinstalled. Figured while I was at it, might as well download and > install the 4.4.1 iso's. > > On boot I get your problem. NFS Server 192.168.0.254 not responding, will > keep trying. I went through the steps in the WIKI and now I get: > > NFS Server 192.168.0.254 not responding, will keep trying > NFS Server 192.168.0.254 not responding, will keep trying > NFS Server 192.168.0.254 OK > > And then it hangs. The WIKI has you change the dhcpd.conf file. You said > something about changing the lts.conf? I can't seem to figure out what > needs to be changed in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > > Do you remember what you did there? > > -F > Are you using 192.168.0.x for your network, and is the address on the server set to a 192.168.0.x address? There are two different lts.conf files, one for PCs (x86) and one for Macs. When you install, if you set your server's address to something other than the default network of 192.168.0.0, the lts.conf file for PCs will be correctly updated, but the one for the Macs won't; you have to go adjust that one by hand. Petre From robark at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 21:11:01 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:11:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Saving Monitor Power In-Reply-To: <4355C683.4010201@snarlnet.com> References: <4355C683.4010201@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: On 10/18/05, Carl Keil wrote: > they aren't consuming as much power and generating as much heat. I > tried adding: > > X_DPMS = Y > X_DPMS_STANDBYTIME = 5 > X_DPMS_OFFTIME = 30 > X_DPMS_SUSPENDTIME = 15 > > to ltsp.conf, but it had no effect. I'm using a version of k12ltsp > that's a couple generations old. The FC2 based one. I just added 2 lines to lts.conf after the XSERVER entry X_DPMS = Y X_DPMS_SUSPENDTIME = 15 Note: When I tried to have both STANDBY and SUSPENDTIME enabled I got a garbled screen after the suspendtime. So I'm only using suspendtime which is what I want anyway. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From frank at oobschools.org Wed Oct 19 22:43:45 2005 From: frank at oobschools.org (Frank Lee) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:43:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] migration question - nfs freezing? In-Reply-To: <4356AF83.8030509@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On 10/19/05 4:41 PM, "Petre Scheie" wrote: >> Hi, I know this was a while ago, I'm running into the sort-of the same >> thing. However I'm a little confused. >> >> The issue described in the WIKI is spot-on. Out of the box 4.2.1 works on a >> 100Mb NIC thru a Gb switch to my 7 iMacs. No problems. >> >> I upgraded the card to a Gb NIC, and tried to change everything over without >> a reinstall, and well, I made more of a mess than I should have. >> >> So I reinstalled. Figured while I was at it, might as well download and >> install the 4.4.1 iso's. >> >> On boot I get your problem. NFS Server 192.168.0.254 not responding, will >> keep trying. I went through the steps in the WIKI and now I get: >> >> NFS Server 192.168.0.254 not responding, will keep trying >> NFS Server 192.168.0.254 not responding, will keep trying >> NFS Server 192.168.0.254 OK >> >> And then it hangs. The WIKI has you change the dhcpd.conf file. You said >> something about changing the lts.conf? I can't seem to figure out what >> needs to be changed in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf >> >> Do you remember what you did there? >> >> -F >> > > Are you using 192.168.0.x for your network, and is the address on the server > set to a > 192.168.0.x address? There are two different lts.conf files, one for PCs > (x86) and one > for Macs. When you install, if you set your server's address to something > other than > the default network of 192.168.0.0, the lts.conf file for PCs will be > correctly updated, > but the one for the Macs won't; you have to go adjust that one by hand. > > Petre The external network thru eth1 is on a totally different range 10.10...etc All the clients are hooked thru eth0 - my new GB NIC (192.168.0.254) - w/ a GB Switch. Where should I look for the second lts.conf file... Not /opt/ltsp/i386/etc? Thanks! I'll be doing some more digging as well. -F -- Frank P. Lee Old Orchard Beach Schools Technology Department http://helpdesk.oobschools.org From frank at oobschools.org Wed Oct 19 22:53:58 2005 From: frank at oobschools.org (Frank Lee) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:53:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] migration question - nfs freezing? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/19/05 6:43 PM, "Frank Lee" wrote: > Where should I look for the second lts.conf file... Not /opt/ltsp/i386/etc? --With Egg on his face, Frank says-- /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc Of course! Ok. Hope you don't mind my blockheadedness. But looking at the WIKI, and the lts.conf file, it really doesn't seem like any of the suggestions really *belong* there. Onwards and upwards. Sorry to fill inboxes. -F -- Frank P. Lee Old Orchard Beach Schools Technology Department http://helpdesk.oobschools.org From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Oct 19 23:48:04 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:48:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Login or not to Login...that is the question. In-Reply-To: <43568B9C.2060102@independence.k12.ia.us> References: <43568B9C.2060102@independence.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: One other thing....sometimes folks think /bin/false might be more secure. It's true....it'll be wicked secure....(you won't be able to log in at all) ;-) You MUST have a shell of some sort. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wed Oct 19 2005 at 14:08 +0000 wrote: >Hi Frank, > >You may have already checked this, but I had this problem initially. >Make sure on your macserver that your users have a shell account chosen >in Workgroup Manager. Mine initially defaulted to a login shell of >"none". I changed my setting to /bin/bash, and those users can now >login. > >Brad David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From linuxsys at davisny.edu Thu Oct 20 00:54:54 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:54:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi again everyone, Well, things were working normally for a couple weeks, but the same issue happened tonight. Computers all froze and I had to come in this evening and reboot them. Odd thing is I can't find anything odd in the log files. It just...stopped working. No warning, no errors, nothing. The one odd thing is that when I reboot the system it comes up fine on the terminals, but the main monitor (hooked into the server via KVM, and yes, I've checked the KVM) doesn't display anything when it should be displaying the GDM login. I sshed in and did a top, and X is using ~97% of the CPU. Bad news, but no matter what I do I can't kill that process (even telinit 3 doesn't stop that particular process). I'm really open to suggestions at this point as this is a very important things for us to have...and I'm going to have some people breathing down my neck tomorrow morning if it isn't working. -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Calvin Park Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 1:14 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue Well, after a forth reboot this morning things _seem_ to be working just fine. However, I am worried that it could be a drive issue (which makes me nervous). I'll check out spinrite...and perhaps Friday evening I can spend some quality time with my server. :) Thanks for all the help...if anyone has any additional ideas, feel free to share. -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Keith Olson Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:56 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue If the drive isn't actually failing, but only has developed some bad sectors, (or if you have data you need off of it) then Spinrite http://www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm could be a /huge/ help. Angus Carr wrote: > This one sounds like a failing drive - you mentioned something about a > IO error (ok, I've responded to a message where that's been trimmed. > Drat.) on some drive or another. > > At a guess, it's blocking on reading a file which is partially on a > failed sector of the disk. gdm is probably waiting for it, and > eventually gives up and authenticates (that's why logging in would be > slow). I would book a weekend to baby your server, or an evening, or > something. > > Boot off a livecd of some sort, and see what you can do. Perhaps > replacing the drive is in order. That usually works for me. > > Of course, you have your important data all backed up somehow, as all > of us always do...:-) > > If not, then make that your first priority off a livecd boot. Back it > all up. Especially /home. > > Angus Carr. > > Calvin Park wrote: > >> Alrighty. I just found something interesting. I was checking top and >> noticed >> one particular gdm-binary taking up 95% CPU. I joyfully said "Aha!" and >> pkilled the sucker. Which promptly locked my system until. The terminals >> upstairs went down and SSH no longer works. My server is now in the >> midst of >> a cold reboot. Ick, ick. But, that is a bit more information. >> >> Also, I'm including below the body of another one of my messages. I >> attached >> an image that was a bit too large (a screenshot) and so it's sitting >> waiting >> for moderation. Anyway, below is the body...if anyone wants the >> screenshot >> I'll send it to you privately. >> >> >> -------- >> dmesg didn't tell me too much (though it is possible I'm missing >> something. >> I plan to go through it again). I took a look at /var/log/messages, >> and I've >> attached a screenshot (I beg forgiveness for using XP) of the last >> minute or >> so before it died last night. No problem that I could see. >> >> I've checked the KVM, and that particular port is working with our other >> Linux servers. :( >> >> -Calvin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >> Behalf Of Les Mikesell >> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:48 AM >> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue >> >> >> On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 07:46, Calvin Park wrote: >> >> >>> As an addendum to this, I'm in the process of rebooting all >>> terminals, and >>> I've noticed that it waits quite a while at >>> >>> loading 192.168.0.254:/lts/vmzlinux.ltsp >>> >>> After that it boots like normal, but runs fairly slow...and still no >>> luck >>> getting the monitor hooked to the server to display anything. >>> >> >> >> Ssh in and run 'dmesg |less'. Do a 'G' to go to the end and >> scroll backwards with the page-up or control-b keys. You >> might see something to explain what went wrong. If not, >> look in /var/log/messages for anything unusual. The display >> problem could be the KVM, too. >> >> -- >> Les Mikesell >> les at futuresource.com > >>>Hi all, >>>Last night one of my techs called me this morning to let me know that our >>>LTSP server had decided to crash. How nice. I came in this morning and >>>the >>>server had power, but wasn't booted up, as far as I could tell. The >>>terminals upstairs were all searching for DHCP, and the server downstairs >>>would not display anything on the monitor. So, I hit the reset button. >>>Seemed to boot okay (had a few SELinux messages at boot) until a message >>>displayed about.../proc/hdd/media I/O error. I waited a minute or two, >>>then >>>the screen went blank (this is downstairs, on the monitor hooked via KVM >>>switch to the server). I went upstairs and the terminals are booting fine >>>now, but still no display downstairs. >>>Anyone else run into this problem before? Anyone have any idea what could >>>have caused a random freeze which required a reboot and now nothing >>>displays >>>on the screen? Thanks in advance. -- Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Oct 20 01:04:43 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 01:04:43 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue Message-ID: <200510200313.j9K3DAV24017@downeast.net> dumb idea...but...full hard drives do some weird tihngs... > Hi again everyone, > > Well, things were working normally for a couple weeks, but the same issue > happened tonight. Computers all froze and I had to come in this evening and > reboot them. Odd thing is I can't find anything odd in the log files. It > just...stopped working. No warning, no errors, nothing. > > The one odd thing is that when I reboot the system it comes up fine on the > terminals, but the main monitor (hooked into the server via KVM, and yes, > I've checked the KVM) doesn't display anything when it should be displaying > the GDM login. I sshed in and did a top, and X is using ~97% of the CPU. Bad > news, but no matter what I do I can't kill that process (even telinit 3 > doesn't stop that particular process). I'm really open to suggestions at > this point as this is a very important things for us to have...and I'm going > to have some people breathing down my neck tomorrow morning if it isn't > working. > > -Calvin > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Calvin Park > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 1:14 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue > > > Well, after a forth reboot this morning things _seem_ to be working just > fine. However, I am worried that it could be a drive issue (which makes me > nervous). I'll check out spinrite...and perhaps Friday evening I can spend > some quality time with my server. :) > > > Thanks for all the help...if anyone has any additional ideas, feel free to > share. > > -Calvin > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Keith Olson > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:56 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue > > > If the drive isn't actually failing, but only has developed some bad > sectors, (or if you have data you need off of it) then Spinrite > http://www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm could be a /huge/ help. > > Angus Carr wrote: > > > This one sounds like a failing drive - you mentioned something about a > > IO error (ok, I've responded to a message where that's been trimmed. > > Drat.) on some drive or another. > > > > At a guess, it's blocking on reading a file which is partially on a > > failed sector of the disk. gdm is probably waiting for it, and > > eventually gives up and authenticates (that's why logging in would be > > slow). I would book a weekend to baby your server, or an evening, or > > something. > > > > Boot off a livecd of some sort, and see what you can do. Perhaps > > replacing the drive is in order. That usually works for me. > > > > Of course, you have your important data all backed up somehow, as all > > of us always do...:-) > > > > If not, then make that your first priority off a livecd boot. Back it > > all up. Especially /home. > > > > Angus Carr. > > > > Calvin Park wrote: > > > >> Alrighty. I just found something interesting. I was checking top and > >> noticed > >> one particular gdm-binary taking up 95% CPU. I joyfully said "Aha!" and > >> pkilled the sucker. Which promptly locked my system until. The terminals > >> upstairs went down and SSH no longer works. My server is now in the > >> midst of > >> a cold reboot. Ick, ick. But, that is a bit more information. > >> > >> Also, I'm including below the body of another one of my messages. I > >> attached > >> an image that was a bit too large (a screenshot) and so it's sitting > >> waiting > >> for moderation. Anyway, below is the body...if anyone wants the > >> screenshot > >> I'll send it to you privately. > >> > >> > >> -------- > >> dmesg didn't tell me too much (though it is possible I'm missing > >> something. > >> I plan to go through it again). I took a look at /var/log/messages, > >> and I've > >> attached a screenshot (I beg forgiveness for using XP) of the last > >> minute or > >> so before it died last night. No problem that I could see. > >> > >> I've checked the KVM, and that particular port is working with our other > >> Linux servers. :( > >> > >> -Calvin > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > >> Behalf Of Les Mikesell > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:48 AM > >> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > >> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue > >> > >> > >> On Wed, 2005-10-05 at 07:46, Calvin Park wrote: > >> > >> > >>> As an addendum to this, I'm in the process of rebooting all > >>> terminals, and > >>> I've noticed that it waits quite a while at > >>> > >>> loading 192.168.0.254:/lts/vmzlinux.ltsp > >>> > >>> After that it boots like normal, but runs fairly slow...and still no > >>> luck > >>> getting the monitor hooked to the server to display anything. > >>> > >> > >> > >> Ssh in and run 'dmesg |less'. Do a 'G' to go to the end and > >> scroll backwards with the page-up or control-b keys. You > >> might see something to explain what went wrong. If not, > >> look in /var/log/messages for anything unusual. The display > >> problem could be the KVM, too. > >> > >> -- > >> Les Mikesell > >> les at futuresource.com > > > >>>Hi all, > > >>>Last night one of my techs called me this morning to let me know that our > >>>LTSP server had decided to crash. How nice. I came in this morning and > >>>the > >>>server had power, but wasn't booted up, as far as I could tell. The > >>>terminals upstairs were all searching for DHCP, and the server downstairs > >>>would not display anything on the monitor. So, I hit the reset button. > >>>Seemed to boot okay (had a few SELinux messages at boot) until a message > >>>displayed about.../proc/hdd/media I/O error. I waited a minute or two, > >>>then > >>>the screen went blank (this is downstairs, on the monitor hooked via KVM > >>>switch to the server). I went upstairs and the terminals are booting fine > >>>now, but still no display downstairs. > > >>>Anyone else run into this problem before? Anyone have any idea what could > >>>have caused a random freeze which required a reboot and now nothing > >>>displays > >>>on the screen? Thanks in advance. > > -- > Keith Olson > K-Soft Consulting > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From caldodge at fpcc.net Thu Oct 20 01:38:50 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:38:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20051020013850.GA20021@fpcc.net> On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 08:54:54PM -0400, Calvin Park wrote: > Hi again everyone, > > Well, things were working normally for a couple weeks, but the same issue > happened tonight. Computers all froze and I had to come in this evening and > reboot them. Odd thing is I can't find anything odd in the log files. It > just...stopped working. No warning, no errors, nothing. > > The one odd thing is that when I reboot the system it comes up fine on the > terminals, but the main monitor (hooked into the server via KVM, and yes, > I've checked the KVM) doesn't display anything when it should be displaying > the GDM login. I sshed in and did a top, and X is using ~97% of the CPU. Bad > news, but no matter what I do I can't kill that process (even telinit 3 > doesn't stop that particular process). I'm really open to suggestions at > this point as this is a very important things for us to have...and I'm going > to have some people breathing down my neck tomorrow morning if it isn't > working. Do you _have_ to run X on the server? If not, and if you have gdm handling the logins, then edit /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf. Look for the "[servers]" section, and comment out the line "0=Standard". This assumes the problem is with X on the server, so YMMV. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 11:59:58 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 04:59:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN]Building a Call Center with LTSP and Soft Phones Message-ID: <435786BE.50907@gmail.com> I thought that this article might be interesting if you wanted to add phone support to your LTSP setup: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8165 -- Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting plupininh at qparameterd.mil jslatelikeh at pgallinglyg.com jsaddlesorenessa at lnovelcrafte.org nvillitiso at tpantiesf.com yuprushq at usubaeriallyb.com wcloddishnessy at lthreef.com wautosexingd at kpitiablys.edu uspecificalr at xconfidentlyb.com rungroomeda at fwhiggishlyb.com letiophylliny at xkatatonict.edu From linuxsys at davisny.edu Thu Oct 20 12:48:31 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:48:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue In-Reply-To: <20051020013850.GA20021@fpcc.net> Message-ID: Calvin, Thanks for the advice. I turned off X on the server, rebooted, and it locked in the rhgb, I editted /etc/sysconfig/init and turned off the graphical boot option. Rebooted, and it booted in fine. Terminals are working, and the server is running, no out of control X process. So, one problem solved. Now, last night my tech called me in when the lab froze. It was about 5:53PM our time. After I got things working this morning I took a look at /var/log/messages and found something mildly interesting. When the server crashed at 5:53PM yesterday the last message was ws234.ltsp -- MARK -- No big deal I thought. The message after that is the system being rebooted (when I got there). But, I looked at the overnight logs (the server crashed last night after I had...sorta...got it working, no surprise since that rogue X process was still playing games)...and at 3:53AM, it crashed again. Guess the last message...yep, ws234.ltsp -- MARK -- Now, I'm not sure if that is just coincidence or not. I may go through some old logs and see if that was the last message before the crash several weeks ago. If it is...is it possible for a terminal to cause the server to crash? Maybe it was related to X running on the server and such? If that's the case it shouldn't be an issue anymore, but what if it was related to something else? Just throwing some things out there. Thanks everyone for all your help already. Oh, and BTW, I checked the HDD and it still has ~40GB free. -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Calvin Dodge Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 9:39 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 08:54:54PM -0400, Calvin Park wrote: > Hi again everyone, > > Well, things were working normally for a couple weeks, but the same issue > happened tonight. Computers all froze and I had to come in this evening and > reboot them. Odd thing is I can't find anything odd in the log files. It > just...stopped working. No warning, no errors, nothing. > > The one odd thing is that when I reboot the system it comes up fine on the > terminals, but the main monitor (hooked into the server via KVM, and yes, > I've checked the KVM) doesn't display anything when it should be displaying > the GDM login. I sshed in and did a top, and X is using ~97% of the CPU. Bad > news, but no matter what I do I can't kill that process (even telinit 3 > doesn't stop that particular process). I'm really open to suggestions at > this point as this is a very important things for us to have...and I'm going > to have some people breathing down my neck tomorrow morning if it isn't > working. Do you _have_ to run X on the server? If not, and if you have gdm handling the logins, then edit /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf. Look for the "[servers]" section, and comment out the line "0=Standard". This assumes the problem is with X on the server, so YMMV. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 20 13:58:51 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ipod as a usb-device In-Reply-To: <435693DA.8030002@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20051020135851.75664.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What I'm about to say was correct 9 months ago, when I was helping my sister get her iPod working under linux. There are 2 basic versions of the iPod. One for Windows and one for Mac. The Windows version is formatted FAT32, and the Mac version is formatted HFS+. If he's got a Mac version, check and see if you've got HFS+ support. You can also reformat the iPod to FAT32--there are instructions here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/answers.php?action=viewarticle&artid=327 There are also different "generations" of iPod, and my sister's 4th gen Windows version has a bug (perhaps an intentional bug) in the firmware which caused her linux system to lock up whenever the iPod was connected to her computer (which was running Mandrake 10.1). This was corrected by removing support for a certain type of filesystem, and I can't remember the name of it (but I'll keep looking and report back to you). The lockup occured when the operating system was trying to identify what filesystem the iPod uses, and it was getting hung up as it was "going through its list". Try it on the server and see if it's an LTSP problem or if it's an iPod/Linux problem. -Rob --- Huck wrote: > One of the more enterprising students tried > attaching his iPod mini to > the USB port and using the floppyd application to > view files he'd saved > on the iPod... > > apparently it does not communicate the same way as a > flash drive does as > it was unrecognized. > > Has anyone attempted this or found a hack around it? > So a student CAN use their ipod as the usb device? > maybe it has to be plugged in while the client is > booting? > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From robark at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 17:14:59 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:14:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID1 failure: need help In-Reply-To: <1128189016.29375.40.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1128130686.26964.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1128189016.29375.40.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On 10/1/05, Les Mikesell wrote: > drives around). You might also double-check the cables and > termination. Newer drives don't have on-board termination and > need it on the end of the cable. If you mix LVD and non-LVD > components everything shifts down to SE so you need a combo > LVD/SE terminator and the shorter cable length restriction applies. Les the same drive (channel B) has now been kicked out of the array 3 times. But I can always add it back with mdadm after a reboot. I have to mention that I have two scsi drives mirrored but they are on different channels (with seperate cables) but use the same controller. Therefore I think it must be either drive B or cable B. I am wondering if I can exclude the cable by swapping the drives. So put drive A on cable B and vice versa. Since both drives have grub on the MBR (thanks to you) I hope it will boot. Will it? If it does work, I think I should be able to deduce if it's the drive or the cable, the next time it gets kicked out. BTW I have always had the controller set to 160 for both channels (not 320). Also, cable A is 3ft round type and it says LVD/SE on the terminator. While cable B is 4ft flat twisted pair type and it has the LVD symbol on the terminator. Both drives are on the last connector (just before the terminator as they should be for high speed scsi) -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Thu Oct 20 17:43:53 2005 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:43:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Educational Assessment Softwares Message-ID: <4357D759.4010504@frederic.k12.wi.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I know that this is not the first time that this subject has been brought up but I would like to see if there is any fresh news on the subject. We run a number of assessment softwares that are win only and really need to get them running under Linux or find good alternatives that do run under Linux. If anyone has any info on getting these running under wine, getting them ported to Linux, or on good alternatives that work under Linux I would very much like to hear about it. Also I talked to Jeremy White at Codeweavers and he said that if a good size group of schools got together and pooled there resources that the cost of getting to work in wine (crossover office version) might be low enough per school to be considered more affordable. I would like to take that to the next level and say if enough of us got together that maybe we could even look at having certain popular apps ported or a comparable app programed from scratch. The issue there is not the app its self but the content. Anyway, here is the software we use: STAR Math - http://www.renlearn.com/starmath/default.htm STAR Reading - http://www.renlearn.com/starreading/default.htm Read Naturally - http://www.readnaturally.com/default.htm Reading Counts - http://teacher.scholastic.com/products/readingcounts/ These aren't assessment softwares but we they are needed MicroType Pro - http://www.newtexts.com/newtexts/book.cfm?book_id=3327 Music Ace 2 - http://www.harmonicvision.com/ma2fact.htm Thanks, - -- Justin Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District 1-715-327-4223 paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us "The world is open. Are you?" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDV9dZ1ed72CY2bpoRAseAAKCG+N3FP9ctz3h68ug8AxnYNEaouQCfXFso Wf6OoIenxmHwszDFEpO4SXs= =ju2B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: paulsenj.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 306 bytes Desc: not available URL: From les at futuresource.com Thu Oct 20 18:04:35 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:04:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID1 failure: need help In-Reply-To: References: <1128130686.26964.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1128189016.29375.40.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1129831475.26188.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 12:14, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Les the same drive (channel B) has now been kicked out of the array 3 > times. But I can always add it back with mdadm after a reboot. I have > to mention that I have two scsi drives mirrored but they are on > different channels (with seperate cables) but use the same controller. I think the md driver is very sensitive to errors. It will kick drives out where a single drive would continue retries. > Therefore I think it must be either drive B or cable B. I am wondering > if I can exclude the cable by swapping the drives. So put drive A on > cable B and vice versa. Since both drives have grub on the MBR (thanks > to you) I hope it will boot. Will it? If it does work, I think I > should be able to deduce if it's the drive or the cable, the next time > it gets kicked out. It may just be a matter of which has the first error. Whichever one stays active will have additional retries and may keep working. Either drive should boot, though. > BTW I have always had the controller set to 160 for both channels (not > 320). Also, cable A is 3ft round type and it says LVD/SE on the > terminator. While cable B is 4ft flat twisted pair type and it has > the LVD symbol on the terminator. Both drives are on the last > connector (just before the terminator as they should be for high speed > scsi) That all sounds right as long as there are no SE devices on cable B. I always like to do a low-level format on scsi drives at the first opportunity, using the same controller type that will be used for normal use. Sometimes it helps, sometimes it doesn't. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From caldodge at fpcc.net Thu Oct 20 18:56:35 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:56:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue In-Reply-To: References: <20051020013850.GA20021@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <20051020185635.GA24037@fpcc.net> On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 08:48:31AM -0400, Calvin Park wrote: > > Thanks for the advice. I turned off X on the server, rebooted, and it locked > in the rhgb, I editted /etc/sysconfig/init and turned off the graphical boot > option. Rebooted, and it booted in fine. Terminals are working, and the > server is running, no out of control X process. So, one problem solved. You can also remove "rhgb" from any "kernel" lines in /etc/grub.conf. Or ... you can permanently turn it off with "rpm -e rhgb". > Now, I'm not sure if that is just coincidence or not. I may go through some > old logs and see if that was the last message before the crash several weeks > ago. If it is...is it possible for a terminal to cause the server to crash? Hmmm ... that's just the terminal shouting "I'm alive!" to the server. I doubt it's causing the crash. It's _possible_ for someone using the terminal to cause a system crash, or at least use enough resources to make it non-responsive (which is why K12LTSP 4.4.1 includes "/etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp-limits"), but it's not likely someone was in the building at 4 a.m. > Maybe it was related to X running on the server and such? If that's the case > it shouldn't be an issue anymore, but what if it was related to something > else? Just throwing some things out there. Thanks everyone for all your help > already. Oh, and BTW, I checked the HDD and it still has ~40GB free. Do you have any other terminals which are calling "MARK" between *:53 and *:00? Could it be that the terminal was merely the last one to do the "MARK" bit before the top of the hour? I ask this because crashes around 4 a.m. make me suspect the hardware. Why? Because 4:02 a.m. is the default time for daily cron jobs on Red Hat/Fedora systems (4:22 for weekly, 4:42 for monthly). If your server is set up to do an "updatedb" every day, then the hard drive subsystem will be heavily stressed at that time. (that's how we identified the hangup problem on an LTSP server - and the proof came after we replaced the "RocketRaid" card with a 3ware (no more lockups)). Of course, my theory doesn't account for the lockup after 5:53 a.m. Ummm ... do you have any cron jobs running around 6 a.m.? Or do you just want to ignore the above until the system proves unstable while NOT running X? Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From linuxsys at davisny.edu Thu Oct 20 19:09:49 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:09:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue In-Reply-To: <20051020185635.GA24037@fpcc.net> Message-ID: Calvin, I've removed the lines from grub.conf already, but thanks. I knew it was just a standard "hi, how are you?" from the terminal, but I wasn't sure if that had ever been known to cause a problem. I'm guessing it was just the last one before the crash, it was just a bit odd that it was the lsat one at both 5PM and 3AM that marked before it crashed. It could be a hardware issue. I doubt it's related to cron since I have nothing running at 5PM, and it crashed a couple weeks ago (when this thread was started) around 9:25PM. It was running fine then until yesterday when it crashed again (5:53PM) and then again last night at 3:53AM. So, anyway I'm not sure that it's cron or a hardware issue. I'm really just confused. I don't really want to ignore it until it becomes unstable without X, but I'm kindda stumped as to how to proceed. I'm going to go through some of the other logs in /var/log (aside from just messages), just to double check that a specific program is not crashing it. Thanks again. -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Calvin Dodge Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 2:57 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] odd reboot issue On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 08:48:31AM -0400, Calvin Park wrote: > > Thanks for the advice. I turned off X on the server, rebooted, and it locked > in the rhgb, I editted /etc/sysconfig/init and turned off the graphical boot > option. Rebooted, and it booted in fine. Terminals are working, and the > server is running, no out of control X process. So, one problem solved. You can also remove "rhgb" from any "kernel" lines in /etc/grub.conf. Or ... you can permanently turn it off with "rpm -e rhgb". > Now, I'm not sure if that is just coincidence or not. I may go through some > old logs and see if that was the last message before the crash several weeks > ago. If it is...is it possible for a terminal to cause the server to crash? Hmmm ... that's just the terminal shouting "I'm alive!" to the server. I doubt it's causing the crash. It's _possible_ for someone using the terminal to cause a system crash, or at least use enough resources to make it non-responsive (which is why K12LTSP 4.4.1 includes "/etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp-limits"), but it's not likely someone was in the building at 4 a.m. > Maybe it was related to X running on the server and such? If that's the case > it shouldn't be an issue anymore, but what if it was related to something > else? Just throwing some things out there. Thanks everyone for all your help > already. Oh, and BTW, I checked the HDD and it still has ~40GB free. Do you have any other terminals which are calling "MARK" between *:53 and *:00? Could it be that the terminal was merely the last one to do the "MARK" bit before the top of the hour? I ask this because crashes around 4 a.m. make me suspect the hardware. Why? Because 4:02 a.m. is the default time for daily cron jobs on Red Hat/Fedora systems (4:22 for weekly, 4:42 for monthly). If your server is set up to do an "updatedb" every day, then the hard drive subsystem will be heavily stressed at that time. (that's how we identified the hangup problem on an LTSP server - and the proof came after we replaced the "RocketRaid" card with a 3ware (no more lockups)). Of course, my theory doesn't account for the lockup after 5:53 a.m. Ummm ... do you have any cron jobs running around 6 a.m.? Or do you just want to ignore the above until the system proves unstable while NOT running X? Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Oct 20 19:40:41 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:40:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Educational Assessment Softwares Message-ID: <20051020124041.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.851abeb57a.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> The STAR programs are now being offered as a web based solution. See Ren. Place for information on the web site. No need to run them under WINE. I am not sure about the others. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] Educational Assessment Softwares > From: Justin Paulsen > Date: Thu, October 20, 2005 12:43 pm > To: "list, K12LTSP" > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, > > I know that this is not the first time that this subject has been > brought up but I would like to see if there is any fresh news on the > subject. > > We run a number of assessment softwares that are win only and really > need to get them running under Linux or find good alternatives that do > run under Linux. > > If anyone has any info on getting these running under wine, getting > them > ported to Linux, or on good alternatives that work under Linux I would > very much like to hear about it. > > Also I talked to Jeremy White at Codeweavers and he said that if a > good > size group of schools got together and pooled there resources that the > cost of getting to work in wine (crossover office version) might be > low > enough per school to be considered more affordable. > > I would like to take that to the next level and say if enough of us > got > together that maybe we could even look at having certain popular apps > ported or a comparable app programed from scratch. The issue there is > not the app its self but the content. > > Anyway, here is the software we use: > > STAR Math - http://www.renlearn.com/starmath/default.htm > STAR Reading - http://www.renlearn.com/starreading/default.htm > Read Naturally - http://www.readnaturally.com/default.htm > Reading Counts - http://teacher.scholastic.com/products/readingcounts/ > > These aren't assessment softwares but we they are needed > MicroType Pro - http://www.newtexts.com/newtexts/book.cfm?book_id=3327 > Music Ace 2 - http://www.harmonicvision.com/ma2fact.htm > > Thanks, > > - -- > Justin Paulsen > IT Coordinator > Frederic School District > 1-715-327-4223 > paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us > > "The world is open. Are you?" > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFDV9dZ1ed72CY2bpoRAseAAKCG+N3FP9ctz3h68ug8AxnYNEaouQCfXFso > Wf6OoIenxmHwszDFEpO4SXs= > =ju2B > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 19:52:16 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:52:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Educational Assessment Softwares In-Reply-To: <4357D759.4010504@frederic.k12.wi.us> References: <4357D759.4010504@frederic.k12.wi.us> Message-ID: On 10/20/05, Justin Paulsen wrote: > We run a number of assessment softwares that are win only and really > need to get them running under Linux... > Anyway, here is the software we use: > > STAR Math - http://www.renlearn.com/starmath/default.htm > STAR Reading - http://www.renlearn.com/starreading/default.htm > Read Naturally - http://www.readnaturally.com/default.htm > Reading Counts - http://teacher.scholastic.com/products/readingcounts/ > > These aren't assessment softwares but we they are needed > MicroType Pro - http://www.newtexts.com/newtexts/book.cfm?book_id=3327 > Music Ace 2 - http://www.harmonicvision.com/ma2fact.htm Thanks, I've added them to my list of "must-have" educational software at http://kegel.com/wine/qa/#app.k12 I am currently working to identify all the bugs in Wine that prevent these apps from running properly. It's a lot of work; perhaps you could lend a hand? All you have to do is pick one of the apps, try it out under the latest wine as described at http://kegel.com/wine/qa, and file a bug in Wine's Bugzilla for the first bug that stops you from using that app. I am betting that having good bug reports for the showstoppers will help focus the Wine developers' efforts on these bugs. Cash would help focus attention, too; as I find bugs that really need professional attention, I'm looking around for ways to finance hiring somebody to fix them. If a couple schools got together on one app, and each kicked in $5K, it might make a huge difference. But even just contributing bug reports through Bugzilla is incredibly important, so if you can't pony up any cash, don't worry, you can still help things along! Cheers, Dan From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 19:58:27 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:58:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Educational Assessment Softwares In-Reply-To: <20051020124041.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.851abeb57a.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20051020124041.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.851abeb57a.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: On 10/20/05, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > The STAR programs are now being offered as a web based solution.... > No need to run them under WINE. I would have thought so, too, but several sites have told me they want to keep running the old Windows based ones. Go figure. From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 19:57:00 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:57:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN]Building a Call Center with LTSP and Soft Phones In-Reply-To: <435786BE.50907@gmail.com> References: <435786BE.50907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560510201257g386f92f9t33fc31a3eafa374e@mail.gmail.com> I'd like to see this How-To geared towards k12linux. As it is, we would have to do some changes to the default k12ltsp setup (ie. using a different boot image). I'm not sure if one could have sound working on the terminals with this softphone configuration since it requires that in lts.conf the terminal has to be set to sound=N. Peter On 10/20/05, Keith Olson wrote: > I thought that this article might be interesting if you wanted to add > phone support to your LTSP setup: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8165 > > -- > Keith Olson > K-Soft Consulting > > > plupininh at qparameterd.mil jslatelikeh at pgallinglyg.com > jsaddlesorenessa at lnovelcrafte.org nvillitiso at tpantiesf.com > yuprushq at usubaeriallyb.com wcloddishnessy at lthreef.com > wautosexingd at kpitiablys.edu uspecificalr at xconfidentlyb.com > rungroomeda at fwhiggishlyb.com letiophylliny at xkatatonict.edu > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 20:55:34 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:55:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Educational Assessment Softwares In-Reply-To: <4357D759.4010504@frederic.k12.wi.us> References: <4357D759.4010504@frederic.k12.wi.us> Message-ID: <43580446.5000303@gmail.com> Justin Paulsen wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Hello, > >I know that this is not the first time that this subject has been >brought up but I would like to see if there is any fresh news on the >subject. > >We run a number of assessment softwares that are win only and really >need to get them running under Linux or find good alternatives that do >run under Linux. > >If anyone has any info on getting these running under wine, getting them >ported to Linux, or on good alternatives that work under Linux I would >very much like to hear about it. > >Also I talked to Jeremy White at Codeweavers and he said that if a good >size group of schools got together and pooled there resources that the >cost of getting to work in wine (crossover office version) might be low >enough per school to be considered more affordable. > >I would like to take that to the next level and say if enough of us got >together that maybe we could even look at having certain popular apps >ported or a comparable app programed from scratch. The issue there is >not the app its self but the content. > >Anyway, here is the software we use: > >STAR Math - http://www.renlearn.com/starmath/default.htm >STAR Reading - http://www.renlearn.com/starreading/default.htm >Read Naturally - http://www.readnaturally.com/default.htm >Reading Counts - http://teacher.scholastic.com/products/readingcounts/ > >These aren't assessment softwares but we they are needed >MicroType Pro - http://www.newtexts.com/newtexts/book.cfm?book_id=3327 >Music Ace 2 - http://www.harmonicvision.com/ma2fact.htm > >Thanks, > >- -- >Justin Paulsen > Here's /one/ thought: post a bounty. Maybe you /can/ solve the problem by throwing money at it. You can post it at sites like http://www.linuxbounties.com/ - https://launchpad.net/bounties - http://tinyurl.com/coujc - http://tinyurl.com/b5yc4 - http://www.gnome.org/bounties/ -- Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 23:56:58 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:56:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Educational Assessment Softwares In-Reply-To: <43580446.5000303@gmail.com> References: <4357D759.4010504@frederic.k12.wi.us> <43580446.5000303@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/20/05, Keith Olson wrote: > Here's /one/ thought: post a bounty. Maybe you /can/ solve the problem > by throwing money at it. > > You can post it at sites like http://www.linuxbounties.com/ - > https://launchpad.net/bounties - http://tinyurl.com/coujc - > http://tinyurl.com/b5yc4 - http://www.gnome.org/bounties/ Launchpad.net looks lke the most promising of that lot. BTW, I once did exactly what you suggest: I posted a bounty for a particular DirectX improvement in Wine on, I think, cosource, and iirc Ove actually implemented it (perhaps this is the one mentioned in http://www.kerneltraffic.org/wine/wn20000710_51.html) Regardless of whether you go the bounty route, or simply contract with Codeweavers, I encourage you to start by filing bug reports about the problem(s) you want fixed at http://bugs.winehq.org Who knows, it might even get fixed for free; a good bug report goes a long way. - Dan From tlegge at rogers.com Fri Oct 21 00:18:52 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:18:52 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade FC1 and 2 to K12LTSP 4.4.1 Lessons Learned Message-ID: <435833EC.5050707@rogers.com> Hi All I thought I would pass along the lessons learned from this past weekends upgrade of two ltsp servers to the latest k12ltsp. General Description: This was a full install formatting all partitions except the home partition, one server was backed up completely via amanda (more on that later) the other simply had etc, var, tftpboot and root tarred and zipped and copied to the home partition (actually done on both) My basic procedure: Create Backup Directory on home Backup lts.conf Backup etc directory Backup root directory Backup tftpboot directory Cleanup var directory Backup the var directory: Print df -h output Print fdisk output Install defaults, manual disk partition, format all partions except /home Copy paste normal users back to passwd and shadow Copy and paste required customizations to lts.conf, dhcpd.conf, hosts Restore special sis.zrom to /tftpboot General Result In general it was a smashing success. Within an hour you could login to each server with the user id from a terminal Leasons Learned 1) Windows is a pain. I spent significant time trying to figure out why samba as a domain controller on one of the servers was not working correctly with a Windows 2000 server. The windows server would not allow my users to login to w2k with the samba domain user and password. Apparently windows uses some id for the domain that is only accessible by exporting it with a samba tool and restoring it to the new server. Yes, that is obvious in hindsight and removing and re-adding the win2k server to the domain fixed it. 2) selinux is a pain. I spent significant time trying to figure out why samba as a domain controller on one of the servers was not working correctly with a Windows 2000 server. The windows box could see the shares but could not figure out the network they were on. Google point me to disabling selinux for all samba uses. 3) Windows is a pain II. After the users could connect, they could not save settings (like mapped shares). Again significant time was lost until I decided to delete the users profile from the win2k server and the profiles share on the samba box. 4) Evolution is a pain. If you are going to change the location/format of folder and configuration in 2.0 of your product the following rules should apply. 1) Always offer (no force) a backup of the current setup. 2) Do not ever fail part way through 3) If you do fail part way through offer a link to a manual fool proof method 4) If you do fail, fail gracefully and provide debugging information for what went wrong (3 out 7 failures is not a good record) 5) Evolution is a pain II. Just because you are trying to replicate the functions of MS Outlook don't be stupid about it. Account setting for an email program belong with the email program not in some registry like gconf file god knows where that gets overwritten if you do something like reset-default-desktop. 6) Amanda tape backups are great as long as you have a copy of all files in /var/lib/amanda. Your copy of these files must be made after the final backup or the individual files on the tape are not retrievable (yes a amrestore will work but you need the log files and index files for the final backup to use amrestore to retrieve files from that tape). 7) (as above) reset-default-desktop removes evolution email account settings So overall the upgrade went well. Most everything seems to work well (except sound and local usb storage but I haven't spent much tim on it yet...) Tim From toddobryan at mac.com Fri Oct 21 00:40:54 2005 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:40:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't download Message-ID: <36F9DD1C-02B9-4A40-94DD-4E4FCED18FD3@mac.com> When I try to download the 4.4.1 images from UT-Knoxville, I get Parse error: parse error, unexpected ')' in /usr/local/sunsite/htdocs/ ftp/tigerd1/k12ltsp/4.4.1/iso/K12LTSP-4.4.1-disc1.iso on line 4032 Right clicking to save the linked file also fails. What's up? Todd From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Oct 21 02:11:37 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Can't download In-Reply-To: <36F9DD1C-02B9-4A40-94DD-4E4FCED18FD3@mac.com> References: <36F9DD1C-02B9-4A40-94DD-4E4FCED18FD3@mac.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > When I try to download the 4.4.1 images from UT-Knoxville, I get > > Parse error: parse error, unexpected ')' in /usr/local/sunsite/htdocs/ > ftp/tigerd1/k12ltsp/4.4.1/iso/K12LTSP-4.4.1-disc1.iso on line 4032 > > Right clicking to save the linked file also fails. What's up? > > Todd That's a strange one. I'll fire an email to them. In the meantime, pick another mirror or access that one via ftp: ftp://sunsite.utk.edu/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.4.1/iso/ -Eric From gkw-x at shaw.ca Thu Oct 20 23:58:15 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:58:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Printers and scanners Message-ID: <43582F17.9030206@shaw.ca> I have two servers: one is for the internet, and one is for ltsp. The ltsp is hooked up to the internet server, and the lab is hooked up to the ltsp. I have a printer and a scanner on the internet server. Is it possible for the ltsp server to see and use them, and to allow clients to print to that printer? I suppose for the scanner, it has one-touch scanning, so I can just set it up to share the scan folder to the ltsp network? From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Fri Oct 21 03:32:34 2005 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:32:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Printers and scanners In-Reply-To: <43582F17.9030206@shaw.ca> References: <43582F17.9030206@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <20051020233234.22a1b56e@localhost.localdomain> Why not put the scanner and printer on the LTSP box? not sure what you "internet box" is set up as, but if it is your firewall/router, you should probably think about using it ONLY as a firewall/router. If you move the printer and scanner to the LTSP box, then the LTSP clients can use both just like as if they were connected directly to them. The printer AND scanner can then also be shared with the rest of your network via CUPS (for the printer) and SANE (for the printer). One thing I use is phpSANE (http://phpsane.sourceforge.net). It is a web-front end to your scanner. Simple but effective way to share the scanner to any other computer on the network. , you can use CUPS to share the printer to any computer in the network. On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:58:15 -0700 gKw-X wrote: > I have two servers: one is for the internet, and one is for ltsp. The > ltsp is hooked up to the internet server, and the lab is hooked up to > the ltsp. I have a printer and a scanner on the internet server. Is it > possible for the ltsp server to see and use them, and to allow clients > to print to that printer? > > I suppose for the scanner, it has one-touch scanning, so I can just set > it up to share the scan folder to the ltsp network? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ***************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Fri Oct 21 14:13:34 2005 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:13:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow Message-ID: <4358F78E.8060402@frederic.k12.wi.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I am having a similar problem, as current I've only experienced this with TuxType2 and VMware (not a surprise there). I'm fine with a few users but at about 14 or so its unusable. My setup: Server: 1x AMD Opteron 252 1.8GHz (Dual proc capable) 2x 160GB 7200 RPM SATA drives in RAID 1 Dual Gbit NIC 4GB RAM Switch: 24pt Gbit (D-Link) Clients (25): SolarPC SB110 1x 1GHz proc 128MB RAM On-board video/audio 10/100 on-board NIC Any thoughts on how I could make it useable would be appreciated. Thanks, - -- Justin Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District 1-715-327-4223 paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us "The world is open. Are you?" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDWPeN1ed72CY2bpoRAsksAKCvzAG7wX4LKasd7HwXoR3Pdn6/xACfXkDB Lb+M0xE/ZKvQq52QPfOcGWo= =T9RZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, -- Mark Goodridge The Computer Guy Chelsea Elementary School From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Fri Oct 21 14:40:39 2005 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:40:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow - correction Message-ID: <4358FDE7.8020500@frederic.k12.wi.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Correction: Thats an Opteron 242 1.6GHz on the server I am having a similar problem, as current I've only experienced this with TuxType2 and VMware (not a surprise there). I'm fine with a few users but at about 14 or so its unusable. My setup: Server: 1x AMD Opteron 242 1.6GHz (Dual proc capable) 2x 160GB 7200 RPM SATA drives in RAID 1 Dual Gbit NIC 4GB RAM Switch: 24pt Gbit (D-Link) Clients (25): SolarPC SB110 1x 1GHz proc 128MB RAM On-board video/audio 10/100 on-board NIC Any thoughts on how I could make it useable would be appreciated. Thanks, - -- Justin Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District 1-715-327-4223 paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us "The world is open. Are you?" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDWP3n1ed72CY2bpoRAgrXAJ9TmWq7WcL1pT4OS3CYATu/z2IktQCgvQ+I EYAuSjeC2WsTnwiF4Wzt0OY= =iCy6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: paulsenj.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 306 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 14:54:17 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:54:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Video Problems In-Reply-To: <4358FEAD.30600@chelseaeagles.org> References: <4358FEAD.30600@chelseaeagles.org> Message-ID: <9bd317560510210754p3be2c573s21cd045752820d05@mail.gmail.com> Have you made any changes to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf? Peter On 10/21/05, Mark Goodridge wrote: > Good Morning List > I'm new to K12LTSP (still trying to set up my first 4-station lab) and > I'm having a lot of display problems. > > In some cases, I get no display at all, just a black screen. By swapping > parts around, I've arrived at the conclusion that this is a video card > problem, although the same video cards display Win98 just fine. > > In other cases, the display has a severe horizontal hold problem. > > Any suggestions? > > I know a little about Linux. I can find a file and edit it if you tell > me where the folder is and I can follow other instructions if you don't > leave out any steps. > > Thanks, > -- > Mark Goodridge > The Computer Guy > Chelsea Elementary School > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org Fri Oct 21 15:23:05 2005 From: mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org (Mark Goodridge) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:23:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Video Problems In-Reply-To: <9bd317560510210754p3be2c573s21cd045752820d05@mail.gmail.com> References: <4358FEAD.30600@chelseaeagles.org> <9bd317560510210754p3be2c573s21cd045752820d05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <435907D9.7000702@chelseaeagles.org> Peter Hartmann wrote: > Have you made any changes to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf? > > Peter No. Thanks, -- Mark Goodridge The Computer Guy Chelsea Elementary School From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Oct 21 15:25:16 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:25:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] wierd happenings when updating server Message-ID: <20051021082516.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.b7adbf8ee7.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> I am loading LTSP 4.4.1 complete install on an HP server with dual zeon and 4 MB memory. It runs fine and reboots OK until I do a YUM update. All of the 200 and something packages seem to update fine. I run a YUM update again just to make sure. When I reboot, I get a ""unable to find VolGroup01" then followed by a "kernel panic - not syncing" and the machine never boots up. This only happens when I do a complete install and then run the updates. I can just install LTSP package, run updates and everything works fine. Any ideas. I thought that it was a problem with a RAID setting, so I removed all of the drives and just have 1 36GB SCSI drive installed. This is not in production, no need to drop everything and help. Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 15:33:10 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:33:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Video Problems In-Reply-To: <435907D9.7000702@chelseaeagles.org> References: <4358FEAD.30600@chelseaeagles.org> <9bd317560510210754p3be2c573s21cd045752820d05@mail.gmail.com> <435907D9.7000702@chelseaeagles.org> Message-ID: <9bd317560510210833u6edefcf5tfad2ad37cf1e2e5@mail.gmail.com> Take a look at the LTSP documentation: You can find a link to it on your roots desktop. http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1.3-en.html#AEN524 You need to define your terminals in lts.conf (I use mac address ie [ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff] ). Take a look at your terminals hardware and figure out what video card/chipset it's using. You need to find out which of the available drivers work for that video board and define in lts.conf for that specific terminal ie. "XSERVER = XF86_S3" Hope that gets you on the right track. Peter On 10/21/05, Mark Goodridge wrote: > Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Have you made any changes to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf? > > > > Peter > > No. > > Thanks, > -- > Mark Goodridge > The Computer Guy > Chelsea Elementary School > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 15:35:07 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:35:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: References: <1128333319.8195.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9bd317560510031220w3f1fdec7y72201da6f1082926@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510031306l30e63003lfe3a4f70bf71ec1c@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510031408q4b58afbbnd30c5e7426eb3f04@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510141240l53697722ued6bc885ec1ac413@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560510210835q37ea94d1waec6328b036c5747@mail.gmail.com> Hey Robert, Hope your strike ended favorably. I had some ideas I wanted to share with you. What if the lock feature worked like this: the teacher types a temporary password into the input field and presses the lock, button. Then the students regular password won't work to exit the screensaver and only the temporary password will work. Our computer teacher has been using TT and had to log off unruly students. They ended up just logging in again. Could their be a record feature implemented in TT for vncreflector? It looks as though there are a couple different ways of recording vnc sessions at present. Having one integrated would just be ridiculous. Three cheers for you! Peter On 10/14/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 10/14/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > I'm affraid that our teachers might not remember to *x-out* of the vnc > > window and log out instead. Is there a way to remove the logout > > option in IceWM? That way I could have specific .icewm prefs for the > > account we use for vncreflector. > > > > I'm on strike now. So I don't have access to my server. I don't know > if it's possible to disable the logout menu item for ice? What I could > do is add another button to kill and re-run the vncreflector. But I > may not get to it till xmas. I also want to add multi server support. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 15:31:19 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:31:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow - correction In-Reply-To: <4358FDE7.8020500@frederic.k12.wi.us> References: <4358FDE7.8020500@frederic.k12.wi.us> Message-ID: Have you any idea whether the bottleneck is RAM, CPU, or network? From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Oct 21 16:23:53 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:23:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] webex like application Message-ID: <20051021092353.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.0dca6b6217.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Has anyone come across a webex like application for Linux that is opensource???? Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us From carl at snarlnet.com Fri Oct 21 16:25:06 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:25:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Saving Monitor Power Message-ID: <43591662.8060201@snarlnet.com> >On 10/18/05, Carl Keil wrote: >> they aren't consuming as much power and generating as much heat. I >> tried adding: >> >> X_DPMS = Y >> X_DPMS_STANDBYTIME = 5 >> X_DPMS_OFFTIME = 30 >> X_DPMS_SUSPENDTIME = 15 >> >> to ltsp.conf, but it had no effect. I'm using a version of k12ltsp >> that's a couple generations old. The FC2 based one. > >I just added 2 lines to lts.conf after the XSERVER entry > >X_DPMS = Y >X_DPMS_SUSPENDTIME = 15 > >Note: When I tried to have both STANDBY and SUSPENDTIME enabled I got >a garbled screen after the suspendtime. So I'm only using suspendtime >which is what I want anyway. > >-- >Robert Arkiletian >C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 Robert, Thanks for the reply and the suggestion. I tried that, and all the other settings (standby, offtime, etc) singly and in pairs. Nothing worked. Any other suggestions? From petre at maltzen.net Fri Oct 21 16:51:43 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:51:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] wierd happenings when updating server In-Reply-To: <20051021082516.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.b7adbf8ee7.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20051021082516.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.b7adbf8ee7.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <43591C9F.5030401@maltzen.net> This isn't necessarily a good solution, but when you install, you may want to do the disk partitioning yourself and not use LVM. The RH/FC installer defaults to using LVM. You give up the ability to merge multiple disks into one volume, but today's disks are so huge that giving that up isn't much of a loss. The benefits are that 1) you avoid the problem you're having; if a partition goes bad, say /boot, you can boot a Knoppix disk and mount the root partition from the damaged disk and still recover your data. With LVM, that kind of rescue becomes much more difficult if not impossible. Ironically, for years I complained about Linux not having logical volumes; Novell had them 15+ years ago. Then, when RH started making it part of its stock install, I decided that LVM presents to great of a risk, and now I do my partitioning manually, creating just plain-vanilla ext3 partitions. Petre rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > I am loading LTSP 4.4.1 complete install on an HP server with dual zeon > and 4 MB memory. It runs fine and reboots OK until I do a YUM update. > All of the 200 and something packages seem to update fine. I run a YUM > update again just to make sure. When I reboot, I get a ""unable to > find VolGroup01" then followed by a "kernel panic - not syncing" and > the machine never boots up. This only happens when I do a complete > install and then run the updates. I can just install LTSP package, run > updates and everything works fine. Any ideas. I thought that it was a > problem with a RAID setting, so I removed all of the drives and just > have 1 36GB SCSI drive installed. > > This is not in production, no need to drop everything and help. > > Thanks, > > Ron > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Oct 21 17:37:27 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:37:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] wierd happenings when updating server Message-ID: <20051021103727.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.1dd9e42fc9.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Thanks for the info. I used to do it that way, but decided to allow it auto create. I believe that I will manually create the partitioning. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] wierd happenings when updating server > From: Petre Scheie > Date: Fri, October 21, 2005 11:51 am > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > This isn't necessarily a good solution, but when you install, you may want to do the > disk partitioning yourself and not use LVM. The RH/FC installer defaults to using LVM. > You give up the ability to merge multiple disks into one volume, but today's disks are > so huge that giving that up isn't much of a loss. The benefits are that 1) you avoid > the problem you're having; if a partition goes bad, say /boot, you can boot a Knoppix > disk and mount the root partition from the damaged disk and still recover your data. > With LVM, that kind of rescue becomes much more difficult if not impossible. > > Ironically, for years I complained about Linux not having logical volumes; Novell had > them 15+ years ago. Then, when RH started making it part of its stock install, I > decided that LVM presents to great of a risk, and now I do my partitioning manually, > creating just plain-vanilla ext3 partitions. > > Petre > > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > I am loading LTSP 4.4.1 complete install on an HP server with dual zeon > > and 4 MB memory. It runs fine and reboots OK until I do a YUM update. > > All of the 200 and something packages seem to update fine. I run a YUM > > update again just to make sure. When I reboot, I get a ""unable to > > find VolGroup01" then followed by a "kernel panic - not syncing" and > > the machine never boots up. This only happens when I do a complete > > install and then run the updates. I can just install LTSP package, run > > updates and everything works fine. Any ideas. I thought that it was a > > problem with a RAID setting, so I removed all of the drives and just > > have 1 36GB SCSI drive installed. > > > > This is not in production, no need to drop everything and help. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ron > > > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > Conecuh County Schools > > (251) 578-7073 x26 > > (251) 230-0658 cell > > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Fri Oct 21 17:51:46 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:51:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] wierd happenings when updating server In-Reply-To: <43591C9F.5030401@maltzen.net> References: <20051021082516.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.b7adbf8ee7.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> <43591C9F.5030401@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1129917106.9473.118.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 11:51, Petre Scheie wrote: > This isn't necessarily a good solution, but when you install, you may want to do the > disk partitioning yourself and not use LVM. The RH/FC installer defaults to using LVM. > You give up the ability to merge multiple disks into one volume, but today's disks are > so huge that giving that up isn't much of a loss. The benefits are that 1) you avoid > the problem you're having; if a partition goes bad, say /boot, you can boot a Knoppix > disk and mount the root partition from the damaged disk and still recover your data. > With LVM, that kind of rescue becomes much more difficult if not impossible. In theory, you can boot the FC4/Centos install disk in rescue mode and do the same with LVM - but there is still more to go wrong. > Ironically, for years I complained about Linux not having logical volumes; Novell had > them 15+ years ago. Then, when RH started making it part of its stock install, I > decided that LVM presents to great of a risk, and now I do my partitioning manually, > creating just plain-vanilla ext3 partitions. I'm inclined to agree, although you could split the different and put /, /boot, and perhaps /var on normal partitions or MD devices but put /home on an LVM volume so you have the option to expand later. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From scott at remc1.org Fri Oct 21 17:59:48 2005 From: scott at remc1.org (Scott Sherrill) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:59:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] webex like application In-Reply-To: <20051021092353.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.0dca6b6217.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20051021092353.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.0dca6b6217.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <43592C94.4080108@remc1.org> rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: >Has anyone come across a webex like application for Linux that is >opensource???? > > > > > well for Windows --- definitely check out Ultra VNC's single click. User can download an application that will "phone home" back to your listening server. Similar to webex but again only works for connecting to and from Windows --- but it's free. Scott From fhkms at adelphia.net Fri Oct 21 17:47:06 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:47:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] reset gnome desktop Message-ID: <1129916826.1518.6.camel@ws231.ltsp> hello all, I know this has been discussed before, but I have not found the exact instructions that will allow me to do what I want - when users either log in or log out, I want their desktops to be reset to the default gnome desktop. The students are getting a little crazy with desktop backgrounds ect. This novice needs step by step instructions - through gui if possible. thanks! From robark at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 21:21:02 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:21:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: <9bd317560510210835q37ea94d1waec6328b036c5747@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560510031220w3f1fdec7y72201da6f1082926@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510031306l30e63003lfe3a4f70bf71ec1c@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510031408q4b58afbbnd30c5e7426eb3f04@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510141240l53697722ued6bc885ec1ac413@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510210835q37ea94d1waec6328b036c5747@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/21/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > with you. What if the lock feature worked like this: the teacher > types a temporary password into the input field and presses the lock, > button. Then the students regular password won't work to exit the > screensaver and only the temporary password will work. Our computer > teacher has been using TT and had to log off unruly students. They > ended up just logging in again. I make the lock feature to simply get students attention. Like turning the lights out for a second. Not really for discipline. The lock feature simply engages the students screensaver. Therefore, the students password is required to end it. In order to have the functionality you describe one would have to change the password of the user. It's possible, but not a good idea in my mind. Discipline issues should be dealt with in a different way, maybe asking the student to sit in the hall for a while. Could their be a record feature > implemented in TT for vncreflector? It looks as though there are a > couple different ways of recording vnc sessions at present. Having > one integrated would just be ridiculous. A record feature would be interesting but it is well beyond my ability. In order to be worth while it would also have to record audio instructions and also be able to have playback. That would be another tool altogether. In order to be remotely possible one would have to use an already existing 3rd party recorder. I know Camtasia (http://camtasia.com) has such a commercial product for windows (it actually saves the sessions as flash content). I don't know of any Linux equivalent software. Greg Ercolano (an active member of the FLTK community) uses Camtasia to make FLTK programming tutorial videos. There is a link in my tutorial site http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 Right now (after this strike) my 1st goal is to add multiple server support to Fl_TeacherTool. 2nd goal is to solve the problem of teachers logging out of vnc session window and hanging the reflector. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Oct 22 00:34:59 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 00:34:59 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 Message-ID: <200510220243.j9M2hB217208@downeast.net> i have used xwininfo to capture a screen shot off a terminal..even copy/passted a doc on a frozen screen before...fwiw chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From gkw-x at shaw.ca Sat Oct 22 00:22:53 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:22:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <4358F78E.8060402@frederic.k12.wi.us> References: <4358F78E.8060402@frederic.k12.wi.us> Message-ID: <4359865D.1060307@shaw.ca> So even with the the gbit switch, it is still too slow to use? The teachers at my school are getting really upset about it and saying that it's a showstopper, if those apps don't run smoothly they're going to cancel the whole thing. If I buy gbit switches and it's still too slow, they're going to be even more ticked. Justin Paulsen wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I am having a similar problem, as current I've only experienced this > with TuxType2 and VMware (not a surprise there). I'm fine with a few > users but at about 14 or so its unusable. > > My setup: > > Server: > 1x AMD Opteron 252 1.8GHz (Dual proc capable) > 2x 160GB 7200 RPM SATA drives in RAID 1 > Dual Gbit NIC > 4GB RAM > > Switch: > 24pt Gbit (D-Link) > > Clients (25): > SolarPC SB110 > 1x 1GHz proc > 128MB RAM > On-board video/audio > 10/100 on-board NIC > > Any thoughts on how I could make it useable would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > - -- > Justin Paulsen > IT Coordinator > Frederic School District > 1-715-327-4223 > paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us > > "The world is open. Are you?" > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFDWPeN1ed72CY2bpoRAsksAKCvzAG7wX4LKasd7HwXoR3Pdn6/xACfXkDB > Lb+M0xE/ZKvQq52QPfOcGWo= > =T9RZ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 10/21/2005 From robark at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 03:41:39 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:41:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Saving Monitor Power In-Reply-To: <43591662.8060201@snarlnet.com> References: <43591662.8060201@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: On 10/21/05, Carl Keil wrote: > Thanks for the reply and the suggestion. I tried that, and all the other settings (standby, offtime, etc) singly and in pairs. Nothing worked. Any other suggestions? Did you reboot the clients after you made the changes to lts.conf? I'm using 4.2.1EL -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From carl at snarlnet.com Sat Oct 22 04:56:06 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:56:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Saving Monitor Power Message-ID: <4359C666.2060606@snarlnet.com> * /From/: Robert Arkiletian * /To/: "Support list for opensource software in schools." * /Subject/: Re: [K12OSN] Re: Saving Monitor Power * /Date/: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:41:39 -0700 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On 10/21/05, Carl Keil wrote: > Thanks for the reply and the suggestion. I tried that, and all the other settings (standby, offtime, etc) singly and in pairs. Nothing worked. Any other suggestions? Did you reboot the clients after you made the changes to lts.conf? I'm using 4.2.1EL -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 Yeah, I rebooted everything, even the server (due to unrelated maintenance). Now one client sleeps and the other doesn't. The one that sleeps gets logged into with Gnome and it's an NEC monitor. The other runs KDE and is a Dell monitor. I really have no idea what effects this behavior though. From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 05:21:47 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 22:21:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <4358F78E.8060402@frederic.k12.wi.us> References: <4358F78E.8060402@frederic.k12.wi.us> Message-ID: On 10/21/05, Justin Paulsen wrote: > I am having a similar problem, as current I've only experienced this > with TuxType2 and VMware (not a surprise there). I'm fine with a few > users but at about 14 or so its unusable. > > Server: 1x AMD Opteron 252 1.8GHz (Dual proc capable) > 2x 160GB 7200 RPM SATA drives in RAID 1 > Dual Gbit NIC > 4GB RAM > > Switch: 24pt Gbit (D-Link) Let's figure out what the bottleneck is. (This goes for anyone who's having performance problems on an LTSP server.) Run just one of the two apps, say TuxType2, on all workstations at once. Verify that the slowdown happens. Once you have the slowdown going, then let's look at the server: run 'top' on the server. Grab the output with the mouse and post it here so we can see what's up. It'll look something like this: top - 22:24:23 up 49 min, 2 users, load average: 0.10, 0.09, 0.07 Tasks: 86 total, 1 running, 84 sleeping, 0 stopped, 1 zombie Cpu(s): 2.6% us, 0.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 96.7% id, 0.0% wa, 0.3% hi, 0.0% si Mem: 515304k total, 309264k used, 206040k free, 15984k buffers Swap: 1048568k total, 0k used, 1048568k free, 178104k cached PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 3221 root 15 0 100m 17m 88m S 2.0 3.4 0:49.79 X 3572 dank 15 0 37536 12m 21m S 0.3 2.4 0:03.33 gnome-terminal ... That'll tell us a lot. And let's look at the network: use ping to examine the health of the network connecting the server to the workstations, e.g. run "ping -c100 -A client1" on the server, and post the statistics it prints at the end. It'll look like this: 100 packets transmitted, 100 received, 0% packet loss, time 19899ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.493/0.512/0.553/0.015 ms, pipe 2, ipg/ewma 201.002/0.513 ms Any packet loss indicates trouble with the network. I'm looking forward to seeing your results. From natarajsn at sancharnet.in Sat Oct 22 10:50:51 2005 From: natarajsn at sancharnet.in (Nataraj S Narayan) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 10:50:51 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Fatal Server Error: Cannot open Xorg.0.0.log In-Reply-To: <20051021160045.B396D73771@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051021160045.B396D73771@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <435A198B.2030208@sancharnet.in> Hi My LTSP systems won't boot one day. They are showing the following. I have not made any changes to the Server. My server is on Redhat 9. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Building /tmp/XF86Config-4 file Fatal Server Error: Cannot open log file /var/log/Xorg.0.0.1... Pleas consult X.org Foundation at http://wiki.X.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Getting same when i use Screen_01=shell and give /tmp/start_ws Plz help regards Nataraj From daniel at solle.se Sat Oct 22 11:14:52 2005 From: daniel at solle.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:14:52 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow Message-ID: <1129979692.81650d4daniel@solle.se> Hey! I had the same problem and just stopping verynice changed the whole situation. You should be able to put in Tuxpaint and Tuxtype as an exception in verynice or just switch verynice off to see if it fixes the problem. Verynice is there to stop applications from running away and grabbing to much cpu. Try doing this as root and see if it helps: /etc/init.d/verynice.init stop /Daniel Hedblom Sollefte? Kommun -----Original Message----- From: gKw-X To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:22:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow So even with the the gbit switch, it is still too slow to use? The teachers at my school are getting really upset about it and saying that it's a showstopper, if those apps don't run smoothly they're going to cancel the whole thing. If I buy gbit switches and it's still too slow, they're going to be even more ticked. Justin Paulsen wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I am having a similar problem, as current I've only experienced this > with TuxType2 and VMware (not a surprise there). I'm fine with a few > users but at about 14 or so its unusable. > > My setup: > > Server: > 1x AMD Opteron 252 1.8GHz (Dual proc capable) > 2x 160GB 7200 RPM SATA drives in RAID 1 > Dual Gbit NIC > 4GB RAM > > Switch: > 24pt Gbit (D-Link) > > Clients (25): > SolarPC SB110 > 1x 1GHz proc > 128MB RAM > On-board video/audio > 10/100 on-board NIC > > Any thoughts on how I could make it useable would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > - -- > Justin Paulsen > IT Coordinator > Frederic School District > 1-715-327-4223 > paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us > > "The world is open. Are you?" > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFDWPeN1ed72CY2bpoRAsksAKCvzAG7wX4LKasd7HwXoR3Pdn6/xACfXkDB > Lb+M0xE/ZKvQq52QPfOcGWo= > =T9RZ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 10/21/2005 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Oct 22 14:13:16 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 10:13:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Saving Monitor Power In-Reply-To: <4359C666.2060606@snarlnet.com> References: <4359C666.2060606@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <1129990396.3352.5.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 21:56 -0700, Carl Keil wrote: > * /From/: Robert Arkiletian > * /To/: "Support list for opensource software in schools." redhat com> > * /Subject/: Re: [K12OSN] Re: Saving Monitor Power > * /Date/: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:41:39 -0700 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > On 10/21/05, Carl Keil wrote: > > Thanks for the reply and the suggestion. I tried that, and all the other settings (standby, offtime, etc) singly and in pairs. Nothing worked. Any other suggestions? > > Did you reboot the clients after you made the changes to lts.conf? > I'm using 4.2.1EL > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > > Yeah, I rebooted everything, even the server (due to unrelated maintenance). Now one client sleeps and the other doesn't. > > The one that sleeps gets logged into with Gnome and it's an NEC monitor. The other runs KDE and is a Dell monitor. I really have no idea what effects this behavior though. > I've see that one before. I have a 21-inch HP P1110 CRT monitor that won't go to sleep, but the screen saver turns on just fine. However, my Sharp 19-inch LCD monitor goes to sleep flawlessly. I also have an Optiquest 19-inch CRT that goes to sleep as it should, but that has another issue specific to X11 and start-up (there's a delay of 2-3 minutes before X11 starts, depending on the X11 version). Note that it has nothing to do with whether you're running KDE or GNOME. I see the above behaviour regardless of which desktop I'm running. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Sat Oct 22 15:16:06 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 10:16:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Saving Monitor Power In-Reply-To: <1129990396.3352.5.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <4359C666.2060606@snarlnet.com> <1129990396.3352.5.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1129994165.20769.0.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-10-22 at 09:13, Terrell Prud??, Jr. wrote: > I've see that one before. I have a 21-inch HP P1110 CRT monitor that > won't go to sleep, but the screen saver turns on just fine. However, > my Sharp 19-inch LCD monitor goes to sleep flawlessly. Are the client BIOS settings the same? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From carl at snarlnet.com Sat Oct 22 18:36:45 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:36:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Saving Monitor Power Message-ID: <435A86BD.8070802@snarlnet.com> >On Sat, 2005-10-22 at 09:13, Terrell Prud??, Jr. wrote: > >> I've see that one before. I have a 21-inch HP P1110 CRT monitor that >> won't go to sleep, but the screen saver turns on just fine. However, >> my Sharp 19-inch LCD monitor goes to sleep flawlessly. > > >Are the client BIOS settings the same? I was wondering if I should look in the BIOS. Which BIOS settings should I be looking at? They are completely different boxes, one's an old gateway and one is an actual thin client from Amer. It's the Amer with the Dell LCD that's not sleeping. BTW - I was wondering, does anyone think that reducing AGP aperture would speed up performance in a thin client setting? From les at futuresource.com Sat Oct 22 18:50:01 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:50:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Saving Monitor Power In-Reply-To: <435A86BD.8070802@snarlnet.com> References: <435A86BD.8070802@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <1130007000.20948.46.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-10-22 at 13:36, Carl Keil wrote: > >On Sat, 2005-10-22 at 09:13, Terrell Prud????, Jr. wrote: > > > > >> I've see that one before. I have a 21-inch HP P1110 CRT monitor that > >> won't go to sleep, but the screen saver turns on just fine. However, > >> my Sharp 19-inch LCD monitor goes to sleep flawlessly. > > > > > > >Are the client BIOS settings the same? > > I was wondering if I should look in the BIOS. Which BIOS settings should > I be looking at? They are completely different boxes, one's an old > gateway and one is an actual thin client from Amer. It's the Amer with > the Dell LCD that's not sleeping. BTW - I was wondering, does anyone > think that reducing AGP aperture would speed up performance in a thin > client setting? Look under power saving settings. I'm not sure how the bios and linux/X settings interact. I think it may be different for different versions with the newer ones trying to work more directly with the ACPI bios settings - but it may also depend on the age of the bios. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gkw-x at shaw.ca Sat Oct 22 22:51:46 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:51:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Video Problems In-Reply-To: <4358FEAD.30600@chelseaeagles.org> References: <4358FEAD.30600@chelseaeagles.org> Message-ID: <435AC282.2060902@shaw.ca> One other thing to keep in mind is that not all monitors support all resolutions and refresh rates... Maybe this is obvious to you but when I first set it up I had to decrease the default resolution because most of the monitors were too old to display it, and just showed black screens. Mark Goodridge wrote: > Good Morning List > I'm new to K12LTSP (still trying to set up my first 4-station lab) and > I'm having a lot of display problems. > > In some cases, I get no display at all, just a black screen. By swapping > parts around, I've arrived at the conclusion that this is a video card > problem, although the same video cards display Win98 just fine. > > In other cases, the display has a severe horizontal hold problem. > > Any suggestions? > > I know a little about Linux. I can find a file and edit it if you tell > me where the folder is and I can follow other instructions if you don't > leave out any steps. > > Thanks, From phealy at dsta.net Sun Oct 23 02:55:41 2005 From: phealy at dsta.net (phealy at dsta.net) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd yum update WARNING Message-ID: <53526.71.121.32.169.1130036141.squirrel@webmail.dsta.net> Today's update to dhcp.i386 10:3.0.2-24.FC4 via yum overwrites /etc/dhcp.conf with an unworking file containing the following three lines: # # DHCP Server Configuration file. # see /usr/share/doc/dhcp*/dhcpd.conf.sample This prevents all thin clients from booting!!!! There's no rpm.save file created, forcing a manual download and reinstall of a working basic /etc/dhcpd.conf from: dhcp-ltsp-config-0.0.5-k12ltsp.1.4.2 ... unless, of course, one had proper current backup files laying around... Hope Eric sees this before Monday. -- Pat Healy Palm Desert High School From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Sun Oct 23 07:55:22 2005 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 00:55:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] wierd happenings when updating server In-Reply-To: <1129917106.9473.118.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20051021082516.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.b7adbf8ee7.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> <43591C9F.5030401@maltzen.net> <1129917106.9473.118.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1130054122.3782.27.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 12:51 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 11:51, Petre Scheie wrote: > > This isn't necessarily a good solution, but when you install, you may want to do the > > disk partitioning yourself and not use LVM. The RH/FC installer defaults to using LVM. > > You give up the ability to merge multiple disks into one volume, but today's disks are > > so huge that giving that up isn't much of a loss. The benefits are that 1) you avoid > > the problem you're having; if a partition goes bad, say /boot, you can boot a Knoppix > > disk and mount the root partition from the damaged disk and still recover your data. > > With LVM, that kind of rescue becomes much more difficult if not impossible. > > In theory, you can boot the FC4/Centos install disk in rescue mode and > do the same with LVM - but there is still more to go wrong. > I had to do this a few days ago for a vanilla FC3 box. I tried the Knoppix disk at first and then discovered the lack of LVM there :-(. Onc you boot up with the install disk into rescue mode (boot into "linux resuce") you're still not out of the woods until you figure out what is wrong with your LVM install and fixing that (I ran the "lvm" command which dropped me into an lvm comand shell and spent a lot of time looking at the information printed out from the various subcommands there.) > > Ironically, for years I complained about Linux not having logical volumes; Novell had > > them 15+ years ago. Then, when RH started making it part of its stock install, I > > decided that LVM presents to great of a risk, and now I do my partitioning manually, > > creating just plain-vanilla ext3 partitions. > > I'm inclined to agree, although you could split the different and put > /, /boot, and perhaps /var on normal partitions or MD devices but > put /home on an LVM volume so you have the option to expand later. > I manually partition one combined /, /boot partition and a swap partition. The rest of the disk goes in lvm to be distributed out to /usr, /var, and /home. This gives you all the tools you need to perform resuce of lvm on the / partition but still allows resizing /usr as new programs are added, /var as web/mail/database needs grow, and /home because its only a matter of time before that runs out of space :-). -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However, > > my Sharp 19-inch LCD monitor goes to sleep flawlessly. > > Are the client BIOS settings the same? > In my case, it was on the same physical box. :-) You make a good point, and I wanted to eliminate that variable, so I tested every monitor I have on the same box. Then I did the same thing with them on two other boxes. In all cases, I left the BIOS settings the same. Two have Award BIOS's, and the third has a Phoenix BIOS. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Sun Oct 23 18:06:22 2005 From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us (Paul Nelson) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 11:06:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd yum update WARNING In-Reply-To: <20051023160029.B104873C98@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051023160029.B104873C98@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <435BD11E.1070201@riverdale.k12.or.us> >From: phealy at dsta.net >Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd yum update WARNING >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Today's update to dhcp.i386 10:3.0.2-24.FC4 via yum >overwrites /etc/dhcp.conf with an unworking file containing the >following three lines: > # > # DHCP Server Configuration file. > # see /usr/share/doc/dhcp*/dhcpd.conf.sample Hello Pat. Those three lines are commented out. Did you do that or are you saying that the update leaves out the rest of the info for clients and replaces it with these comments? ;-) Paul -- ====================================================================== Paul Nelson - Make things better. http://pnelson.us From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Oct 23 18:48:38 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 11:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd yum update WARNING In-Reply-To: <53526.71.121.32.169.1130036141.squirrel@webmail.dsta.net> References: <53526.71.121.32.169.1130036141.squirrel@webmail.dsta.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 phealy at dsta.net wrote: > Today's update to dhcp.i386 10:3.0.2-24.FC4 via yum > overwrites /etc/dhcp.conf with an unworking file containing the > following three lines: > > # > # DHCP Server Configuration file. > # see /usr/share/doc/dhcp*/dhcpd.conf.sample > > This prevents all thin clients from booting!!!! > > There's no rpm.save file created, forcing a manual download and > reinstall of a working basic /etc/dhcpd.conf from: > > dhcp-ltsp-config-0.0.5-k12ltsp.1.4.2 > > ... unless, of course, one had proper current backup files laying > around... > > Hope Eric sees this before Monday. > > -- Pat Healy > Palm Desert High School > I rebuilt the updated dhcp package to exclude the sample /etc/dhcpd.conf. I also bumped up the version number for dhcp-ltsp-config, which contains the K12LTSP version of /etc/dhcpd.conf, so it will automagically be replaced for anyone who may have been bitten by this. Pat, I cannot come up with a scenario that results in /etc/dhcpd.conf being replaced and no /etc/dhcpd.conf.rpmsave backup copy being created. How did you upgrade the dhcp package? Every scenario I have tried the package manager did the right thing (i.e. the working /etc/dhcpd.conf was not modified). -Eric From phealy at dsta.net Sun Oct 23 19:52:25 2005 From: phealy at dsta.net (phealy at dsta.net) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 12:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd yum update WARNING Message-ID: <54695.71.121.32.169.1130097145.squirrel@webmail.dsta.net> Eric, and Paul All I did was "yum udpate" and then /etc/dhcpd.conf was replaced with the "blank" file containing just the three commented out lines with a timestamp of Oct 17 12:35. fyi (if it's of help): [root at orion ~]# tail /var/log/yum.log Oct 14 17:01:41 Updated: info.i386 4.8-4.1 Oct 22 11:26:02 Updated: ethereal.i386 0.10.13-1.FC4.2 Oct 22 11:26:06 Updated: lynx.i386 2.8.5-23.1 Oct 22 11:26:27 Updated: gimp-help.noarch 2-0.1.0.9.0.fc4.1 Oct 22 11:26:40 Installed: kernel.i686 2.6.13-1.1532_FC4 Oct 22 11:26:43 Updated: wget.i386 1.10.2-0.fc4 Oct 22 11:26:44 Updated: ethereal-gnome.i386 0.10.13-1.FC4.2 Oct 22 11:26:44 Updated: dhclient.i386 10:3.0.2-24.FC4 Oct 22 11:27:03 Updated: libdvdcss.i386 1.2.9-0.lvn.1.4 Oct 22 11:27:06 Updated: dhcp.i386 10:3.0.2-24.FC4 That was it, then I lost my dhcp. (and of course no backup file that I could find easily, but fortunately I didn't have any customization, so the standard k12ltsp file worked ok) This was on my home system that's been upgraded many times up to the current version. Maybe it's just a fluke, but I hope it isn't a major gotcha for systems that were upgraded automatically over the weekend. Thanks. -- Pat Patrick Healy Palm Desert High School From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Oct 23 20:16:50 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd yum update WARNING In-Reply-To: <54695.71.121.32.169.1130097145.squirrel@webmail.dsta.net> References: <54695.71.121.32.169.1130097145.squirrel@webmail.dsta.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 phealy at dsta.net wrote: > Eric, and Paul > > All I did was "yum udpate" and then /etc/dhcpd.conf was replaced > with the "blank" file containing just the three commented out lines > with a timestamp of Oct 17 12:35. > > fyi (if it's of help): > [root at orion ~]# tail /var/log/yum.log > Oct 14 17:01:41 Updated: info.i386 4.8-4.1 > Oct 22 11:26:02 Updated: ethereal.i386 0.10.13-1.FC4.2 > Oct 22 11:26:06 Updated: lynx.i386 2.8.5-23.1 > Oct 22 11:26:27 Updated: gimp-help.noarch 2-0.1.0.9.0.fc4.1 > Oct 22 11:26:40 Installed: kernel.i686 2.6.13-1.1532_FC4 > Oct 22 11:26:43 Updated: wget.i386 1.10.2-0.fc4 > Oct 22 11:26:44 Updated: ethereal-gnome.i386 0.10.13-1.FC4.2 > Oct 22 11:26:44 Updated: dhclient.i386 10:3.0.2-24.FC4 > Oct 22 11:27:03 Updated: libdvdcss.i386 1.2.9-0.lvn.1.4 > Oct 22 11:27:06 Updated: dhcp.i386 10:3.0.2-24.FC4 > > That was it, then I lost my dhcp. (and of course no backup file that I > could find easily, but fortunately I didn't have any customization, > so the standard k12ltsp file worked ok) This was on my home system > that's been upgraded many times up to the current version. > > Maybe it's just a fluke, but I hope it isn't a major gotcha for > systems that were upgraded automatically over the weekend. > > Thanks. -- Pat > > Patrick Healy > Palm Desert High School /etc/dhcpd.conf is tagged with a %config{noreplace} flag, if it had been modified it should not have been replaced in an case. If an unmodified /etc/dhcpd.conf was replaced by the dhcp update, the new dhcp/dhcp-ltsp-config packages I just uploaded will put the original K12LTSP /etc/dhcpd.conf back in place. Thanks for the heads-up & clarifications! -Eric From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 20:51:42 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:51:42 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] webex like application In-Reply-To: <43592C94.4080108@remc1.org> References: <20051021092353.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.0dca6b6217.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> <43592C94.4080108@remc1.org> Message-ID: <96df2e0b0510231351se4d26f9p@mail.gmail.com> On 21/10/05, Scott Sherrill wrote: > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > >Has anyone come across a webex like application for Linux that is > >opensource???? > well for Windows --- definitely check out Ultra VNC's single click. > User can download an application that will "phone home" back to your > listening server. Similar to webex but again only works for connecting > to and from Windows --- but it's free. Strictly speaking, Webex will run on Linux, you just need to use the right browser... My brother was doing some work with Webex a couple of years back - you need to make sure they know that one end is running Linux, and which version of Netscape or Firefox you are using. If you're determined to go with something which can be used for free, then VNC has a fairly limited web server which will give you the ability to go to a web page and sign in. There is a down-side to VNC, in that it doesn't ask for a username, just a password which means that you can't see who has accessed the server using it. Jon From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Mon Oct 24 12:12:59 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 08:12:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticating against Windows AD Message-ID: <200510241245.j9OCjCx3015350@mx3.redhat.com> All, I recently installed K12LTSP 4.4.1 and it is running beautifully. I am now trying to make it so that users can sit down at the terminals and log onto them with the exact same username and password they use on Windows computers on our domain. I edited the krb5.conf file and it still didn't work. I then tried to find the pam_unix2.conf file (found in SuSE Pro 9.2) and edit it but that file didn't exist. I read online to look in system_auth but I didn't see anything I could edit that would make a difference. Has anyone successfully set up K12LTSP to authenticate users against a Windows AD? K12LTSP in our district is pretty much pointless if we cannot accomplish this. Any and all help would be GREATLY appreciated. Thank you. -Paul Paul VanGundy Technology Coordinator Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Oct 24 12:54:05 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:54:05 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticating against Windows AD In-Reply-To: <200510241245.j9OCjCx3015350@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200510241245.j9OCjCx3015350@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <435CD96D.7050605@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > > > I recently installed K12LTSP 4.4.1 and it is running beautifully. I am > now trying to make it so that users can sit down at the terminals and > log onto them with the exact same username and password they use on > Windows computers on our domain. I edited the krb5.conf file and it > still didn?t work. I then tried to find the pam_unix2.conf file (found > in SuSE Pro 9.2) and edit it but that file didn?t exist. I read online > to look in system_auth but I didn?t see anything I could edit that would > make a difference. > > > > Has anyone successfully set up K12LTSP to authenticate users against a > Windows AD? K12LTSP in our district is pretty much pointless if we > cannot accomplish this. Any and all help would be GREATLY appreciated. > Thank you. > > > > -Paul > > > > Paul VanGundy > > Technology Coordinator > > Epping High School > > Epping Middle School > > P: 603.679.5472 x219 > > F: 603.679.2966 > > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Never tried it myself but I've heard that you have to make sure that both servers are with 5 minutes of each other for the clock otherwise the Kerberos bit will cause problems. Have you tried running authconfig on the k12 box ?? Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From petre at maltzen.net Mon Oct 24 13:03:32 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 08:03:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fatal Server Error: Cannot open Xorg.0.0.log In-Reply-To: <435A198B.2030208@sancharnet.in> References: <20051021160045.B396D73771@hormel.redhat.com> <435A198B.2030208@sancharnet.in> Message-ID: <435CDBA4.7050305@maltzen.net> Make sure that whatever partition /var is on isn't full. Nowadays, /var is usually on the root partition, so check that. Petre Nataraj S Narayan wrote: > Hi > > My LTSP systems won't boot one day. They are showing the following. I > have not made any changes to the Server. My server is on Redhat 9. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Building /tmp/XF86Config-4 file > > Fatal Server Error: > > Cannot open log file /var/log/Xorg.0.0.1... > > Pleas consult X.org Foundation at http://wiki.X.org > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Getting same when i use Screen_01=shell and give /tmp/start_ws > > Plz help > > regards > > Nataraj > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Oct 24 12:47:00 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:47:00 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticating against Windows AD Message-ID: <200510241454.j9OEssA20097@downeast.net> We authed using winbind against active directory for several years..lemme see if i can find the old configs for that chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Oct 24 12:55:12 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:55:12 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticating against Windows AD Message-ID: <200510241503.j9OF36A21422@downeast.net> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WinIntegration#Authenticating_via_winbind_to_Ac> We authed using winbind against active directory for several years..lemme > see if i can find the old configs for that > chuck > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Mon Oct 24 13:02:52 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:02:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticating against Windows AD In-Reply-To: <435CD96D.7050605@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200510241346.j9ODjghY013356@mx1.redhat.com> Brian and All, I haven't tried running authconfig. Also, the time on the servers are within 30 seconds of each other. Also, when I type kinit -k it does show me that a ticket has been received from the ADS. The K12LTSP is also a member of our domain. Thought those would be helpful as well. -Paul Paul VanGundy Technology Coordinator Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brian Chivers Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:54 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Authenticating against Windows AD Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > > > I recently installed K12LTSP 4.4.1 and it is running beautifully. I am > now trying to make it so that users can sit down at the terminals and > log onto them with the exact same username and password they use on > Windows computers on our domain. I edited the krb5.conf file and it > still didn't work. I then tried to find the pam_unix2.conf file (found > in SuSE Pro 9.2) and edit it but that file didn't exist. I read online > to look in system_auth but I didn't see anything I could edit that would > make a difference. > > > > Has anyone successfully set up K12LTSP to authenticate users against a > Windows AD? K12LTSP in our district is pretty much pointless if we > cannot accomplish this. Any and all help would be GREATLY appreciated. > Thank you. > > > > -Paul > > > > Paul VanGundy > > Technology Coordinator > > Epping High School > > Epping Middle School > > P: 603.679.5472 x219 > > F: 603.679.2966 > > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Never tried it myself but I've heard that you have to make sure that both servers are with 5 minutes of each other for the clock otherwise the Kerberos bit will cause problems. Have you tried running authconfig on the k12 box ?? Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From tlegge at rogers.com Mon Oct 24 14:41:21 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Sound with 4.4.1 Message-ID: <20051024144121.14979.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi I recently implemented 4.4.1 and now want to tackle sound. What things should work out of the box and what additional steps do I need to take? I have enabled sound in the lts.conf file and the flash hack in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp (I forget the file name) The sound cards in the clients are all recognized and the sound server starts on the client. Do I need to do anything else on the server? 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Luis > > From: "Karen Bailey" > Date: 2005/10/24 Mon PM 01:13:32 EDT > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] samba share > > Does anyone know how I can create a samba share that will allow multiple > users to access and update a same database and the same time? > > Karen M. Bailey > Software Support Specialist > Merrimack Valley School District > kbailey at mv.k12.nh.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Mon Oct 24 17:32:19 2005 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:32:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba share In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200510241332.20088.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Monday October 24 2005 1:13 pm, Karen Bailey wrote: > Does anyone know how I can create a samba share that will allow multiple > users to access and update a same database and the same time? > > Karen M. Bailey > Software Support Specialist > Merrimack Valley School District > kbailey at mv.k12.nh.us > Assuming you've got the directory/samba share for your database file created with the right permissions, and the share language all set in smb.conf, I think if you add the following to smb.conf, it should work: under gobal - "oplocks = no" (my parens) or on a per file basis "veto oplock files = /*.fileextension/*.nextfileextension/" -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Mon Oct 24 17:41:21 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:41:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How do you handle the 'write' command Message-ID: <200510241341.22096.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Hi folks, My always quizzical students have discovered the 'write' command and are sending messages. I can think of two methods to stop this, one is to change the permissions on the commands in /usr/bin and the other is to add "mesg n" to the login script.... the problem is I don't know which solution would be better and, to be honest I don't know to which file I should add "mesg n"? Any help would be appreciated. -- Thanks, John From LarryM at fsusd.k12.ca.us Mon Oct 24 19:55:00 2005 From: LarryM at fsusd.k12.ca.us (Larry Mateo) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:55:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP: High School Experiences Message-ID: I'm requesting that some members of the K12LTSP community please write about positive and negative experiences that have been encountered when running a K12LTSP system at the high school level. We at the Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District have three K12LTSP systems running in middle schools; environments in which the students are either disinterested in or ignorant of the underlying technology, so we have few problems with security, hacking, gaming and like issues that we have encountered with our NetWare systems at the high schools. We are debating installing K12LTSP systems in high schools, and would like some input on real-world issues we will be facing and their possible solutions. Thanks in advance. Larry Mateo Network Technician II Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District larrym at fsusd.k12.ca.us From bkovach at logrog.net Mon Oct 24 20:15:41 2005 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:15:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP: High School Experiences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47931.216.229.68.126.1130184941.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> We have 94 workstations running in the high school. Last year (our first year) was a breeze. No problems at all. This year, we have had problems with users logging in. I still haven't solved it, but believe it is a problem with an update I ran. Even with the problems, I'd still like to have more thin clients involved. BK > I'm requesting that some members of the K12LTSP community please write > about positive and negative experiences that have been encountered when > running a K12LTSP system at the high school level. > > We at the Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District have three K12LTSP > systems running in middle schools; environments in which the students are > either disinterested in or ignorant of the underlying technology, so we > have few problems with security, hacking, gaming and like issues that we > have encountered with our NetWare systems at the high schools. We are > debating installing K12LTSP systems in high schools, and would like some > input on real-world issues we will be facing and their possible solutions. > > Thanks in advance. > > Larry Mateo > Network Technician II > Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District > larrym at fsusd.k12.ca.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Life is a race. Don't lose. From frank at oobschools.org Mon Oct 24 20:16:46 2005 From: frank at oobschools.org (Frank Lee) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:16:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP: High School Experiences In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/24/05 3:55 PM, "Larry Mateo" wrote: > I'm requesting that some members of the K12LTSP community please write about > positive and negative experiences that have been encountered when running a > K12LTSP system at the high school level. > > We at the Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District have three K12LTSP systems > running in middle schools; environments in which the students are either > disinterested in or ignorant of the underlying technology, so we have few > problems with security, hacking, gaming and like issues that we have > encountered with our NetWare systems at the high schools. We are debating > installing K12LTSP systems in high schools, and would like some input on > real-world issues we will be facing and their possible solutions. > > Thanks in advance. > > Larry Mateo We are starting K12LTSP on a small scale here. Ten clients spread out through our English classes at the HS. They're all old tray-loader iMacs too. A great way to recycle our old computers... Put them to use, not to bed! I had one hiccup with the setup, but I think that was a side effect of our network here. Otherwise, all is well so far. We just made it through our first few days. It was **AMAZING**. I didn't even have to do any explaining. Kids who have never seen Linux, found Open Office and Firefox in seconds and were off on their way working and surfing. I'd be glad to let you know how things go as we start out on this adventure ourselves. -F -- Frank P. Lee Old Orchard Beach Schools Technology Department http://helpdesk.oobschools.org From mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org Mon Oct 24 20:30:10 2005 From: mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org (Mark Goodridge) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:30:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Video Problems Message-ID: <435D4452.1040407@chelseaeagles.org> I'm still not having any luck with my video problems. I have several K12LTSP clients that work just fine, but I have several that don't. Right now I'm trying to iron out video problems. The video card is a Diamond Speedster A70 (AGP, but old). The chip on the card is labled "SiS 6326DVD". All I get is a black screen. The same monitor on other clients (with other video cards) works fine. According to the documentation at http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1.3-en.html#AEN965 (very useful for other problems, by the way) AGP cards should not need any special configuration in the lts.conf file, but I've tried several variations with no luck. I'm specifying the client with its MAC address. I'm pretty sure that I'm editing the lts.conf file correctly because the error messages I'm getting make sense (but don't solve the problem). I assume that I need a special setting for the "XSERVER = " line, but I can't figure out what the setting is or find more information about possible variations. Any suggestions about how I should fix this problem? I have a lot of potential thin clients using this video card. -- Mark Goodridge The Computer Guy Chelsea Elementary School From casey.woods at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 20:24:37 2005 From: casey.woods at gmail.com (Casey Woods) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:24:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop bandwidth? Message-ID: <435D4305.60502@gmail.com> I have a network with approximately 200 aging Win2K machines that we're looking to convert to thin clients. I'm curious as to what the bandwidth requirements are going to be like on the network? Can anyone give me a ballpark figure on how much bandwidth each RDP client will eat up when doing a Windows Terminal Server session? I have the resources to make significant upgrades to the network, but I don't want to spend the money if its not necessary. Thanks! Casey Woods From edward at netday.org.za Mon Oct 24 20:28:38 2005 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:28:38 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP: High School Experiences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <62D6E854-40C8-4D9E-AEDA-B76BA7001FC5@netday.org.za> Larry We at NetDay South Africa have deployed 50 K12LTSP computer labs into the harshest environments Africa has to offer and I cannot praise it enough. We have tried a number of thin client solutions and K12LTSP is still tops. It handles near any level of user abuse (mostly through ignorance rather than intent), as well as physical environments that are challenging to say the least. The only real breakages we've had is when there has been power outages and the server has repeatedly gone down without being shut down. Even then, the install routine is so slick that the teachers have reinstalled the system themselves, thanks to Eric's well-written templates of all the key files. Not sure how helpful this is for where you live, but it's been great for us in South Africa. Most of our labs are 20 P1 clients off a P4 desktop PC as a server, but have also done 40 P1 off a dual Xeon box. In both cases we have had an almost impossibly low level of support issues, despite heavy usage in hot, dusty conditions. cheers ed On 24 Oct 2005, at 9:55 PM, Larry Mateo wrote: > I'm requesting that some members of the K12LTSP community please > write about positive and negative experiences that have been > encountered when running a K12LTSP system at the high school level. > > We at the Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District have three > K12LTSP systems running in middle schools; environments in which > the students are either disinterested in or ignorant of the > underlying technology, so we have few problems with security, > hacking, gaming and like issues that we have encountered with our > NetWare systems at the high schools. We are debating installing > K12LTSP systems in high schools, and would like some input on real- > world issues we will be facing and their possible solutions. > > Thanks in advance. > > Larry Mateo > Network Technician II > Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District > larrym at fsusd.k12.ca.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Mon Oct 24 20:41:01 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:41:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: Put your K12LTSP installation on the map Message-ID: <435D46DD.3000405@maltzen.net> Just a reminder for those who may have missed the notice last week: Add your school to the map of K12LTSP sites at http://www.frappr.com/k12ltsp . It's really cool! As it fills up it provides a great answer when people ask "Who else is using it?" Right now the count is at 38, but I see lots of messages on the list from people and places that aren't on the map yet. I think we should be able to make 100 sites on the map, so I'll keep nagging once a week or so until we hit that, or I get kicked off the list for being annoying. ;) Petre From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Oct 24 20:43:56 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:43:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Video Problems In-Reply-To: <435D4452.1040407@chelseaeagles.org> References: <435D4452.1040407@chelseaeagles.org> Message-ID: <435D478C.9050503@mesd.k12.or.us> Mark Goodridge wrote: > I'm still not having any luck with my video problems. I have several > K12LTSP clients that work just fine, but I have several that don't. Have you tried the VESA driver, just for kicks? In /opt/ltsp/i386/lts.conf: # Use your MAC addr here [00:00:00:00:00:00] XSERVER = vesa /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc/README.SiS claims support for the 6326, FWIW. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From les at futuresource.com Mon Oct 24 20:43:19 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:43:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Video Problems In-Reply-To: <435D4452.1040407@chelseaeagles.org> References: <435D4452.1040407@chelseaeagles.org> Message-ID: <1130186599.32439.269.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 15:30, Mark Goodridge wrote: > I'm still not having any luck with my video problems. I have several > K12LTSP clients that work just fine, but I have several that don't. > > Any suggestions about how I should fix this problem? I have a lot of > potential thin clients using this video card. Have you tried enabling a shell on SCREEN_02 so you can hit ctl-alt-F2 at the terminal and review /var/log/Xorg.0.0.log? Sometimes it will show the reason X doesn't start. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Oct 24 20:57:04 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:57:04 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP: High School Experiences Message-ID: <200510242304.j9ON4uA14761@downeast.net> we have 130 nics in dhcpd.conf...maybe 80 terminals in pods of 4 sll over ellsworth high school..we use Teach2 and x11vnc to keep tabs on anyone running heavy internet gaming...violate the internet policy and you lose your browser...use someone elses login and the minute one logs out so is the other..simple as that..SO we are locked down pretty well..noy rven an x-term available....the downside is they never learn anything of the awesome power within.. we also have most of Cave Hill on ltsp..a pod of 6 in the fourth grade..a pod of ten ready to rock in the voc center soon as i get a server..and dribs and drabs in the other ten schools..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From les at futuresource.com Mon Oct 24 21:26:00 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:26:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] samba share In-Reply-To: <20051024172942.NLGN16347.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> References: <20051024172942.NLGN16347.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <1130189160.32439.289.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 12:29, luis.montes at cox.net wrote: > What type of database? > > Samba is for file sharing. If its something like an access .mdb file, you're going to have people overwriting things. Various versions of samba have had trouble with various windows applications in terms of file locking but in general the current version should work just like a windows share. > You may want to consider setting up something like mysql or postgres. This should work too, even with access as the front end - and it makes it easier to build other front ends like a web application to update or view the same data. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Oct 24 21:02:17 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:02:17 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] samba share Message-ID: <200510242310.j9ONA8A15445@downeast.net> i used the g+s trick to froce all files in a shared dir to be rw to the group owning the folder...chuck > Does anyone know how I can create a samba share that will allow multiple > users to access and update a same database and the same time? > > Karen M. Bailey > Software Support Specialist > Merrimack Valley School District > kbailey at mv.k12.nh.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From rmcdaniel at indata.us Mon Oct 24 21:48:13 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:48:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: Put your K12LTSP installation on the map Message-ID: <20051024144813.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.60aa84f75c.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Can't seem to get to the site. Is it up???? Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: Put your K12LTSP installation on the map > From: Petre Scheie > Date: Mon, October 24, 2005 3:41 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > Just a reminder for those who may have missed the notice last week: Add your school to > the map of K12LTSP sites at http://www.frappr.com/k12ltsp . It's really cool! As it > fills up it provides a great answer when people ask "Who else is using it?" > > Right now the count is at 38, but I see lots of messages on the list from people and > places that aren't on the map yet. I think we should be able to make 100 sites on the > map, so I'll keep nagging once a week or so until we hit that, or I get kicked off the > list for being annoying. ;) > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Mon Oct 24 21:55:14 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:55:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP: High School Experiences Message-ID: <20051024145514.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.7b8ec08dc5.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> I have installed 40 thin clients in our high school. 30 went into a lab and the other 10 are in the library. The students have picked up OpenOffice and Firefox without a hitch. They seem to be much more adaptive than our teachers. We are using HP 9510 thin clients running off of an HP ML350 Dual Xeon server with 4GB mem. Our network is 100Mb switched and the speed is great. The ease of management has been great, no more reloads. Just make sure that you are not using hubs. They don't work very well in a thin client environment. We are using icewm, thanks to all for the recommendation. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP: High School Experiences > From: "Larry Mateo" > Date: Mon, October 24, 2005 2:55 pm > To: > > I'm requesting that some members of the K12LTSP community please write about positive and negative experiences that have been encountered when running a K12LTSP system at the high school level. > > We at the Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District have three K12LTSP systems running in middle schools; environments in which the students are either disinterested in or ignorant of the underlying technology, so we have few problems with security, hacking, gaming and like issues that we have encountered with our NetWare systems at the high schools. We are debating installing K12LTSP systems in high schools, and would like some input on real-world issues we will be facing and their possible solutions. > > Thanks in advance. > > Larry Mateo > Network Technician II > Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District > larrym at fsusd.k12.ca.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Mon Oct 24 22:03:07 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:03:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] samba share In-Reply-To: <200510242310.j9ONA8A15445@downeast.net> References: <200510242310.j9ONA8A15445@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1130191387.32439.295.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 16:02, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > i used the g+s trick to froce all files in a shared dir to be rw to the > group owning the folder...chuck If all access is through samba, you can do it with the options: force create mode = 0775 force directory mode = 0775 force group = your_group in the section for the share in smb.conf You might also want valid users = @your_group if users not in the group with rw permission should not be able to map the share at all. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 21:58:09 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:58:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp Message-ID: Hello, Hope all is doing well. So tomorrow I have to go into the school and meet with the new principal, where I have to defend that the linux lab has some sort of educational value. As the message that was left for me said, "All the educational software on the market is for Windows." This is independent of the fact that the lab was running for the past year and a half under the old administration, supporting their educational needs with no problem. Part of the problem is that she has a trusted advisor (not at the school) who seems to have a lot of experience (years and years) with computers is pushing this idea onto the principal. Seems they both feel that only Windows can support the educational software that they have heard of. This seems to be an urgent issue, as they were about to go ahead with the dismantling of the lab without even talking about it, so I only have one chance before they decide to change all the machines to Windows 98 (I have no idea how they will go about doing this, but the machines cannot support anything more and that's what they have suggested). So what do you all think? This is a small elementary school and I know many other schools out there use k12ltsp - how do you deal with this situation? I'm thinking 2 things - 1) many applications may already exist for linux that I just need to show them or download/install and show them and 2) maybe you know about windows programs which could have previously required installation but now run through a browser off a website and therefore no longer need Windows. help! Joseph From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Oct 24 22:42:59 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:42:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop bandwidth? In-Reply-To: <435D4305.60502@gmail.com> References: <435D4305.60502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1130193779.10926.8.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 14:24 -0600, Casey Woods wrote: > I have a network with approximately 200 aging Win2K machines that we're > looking to convert to thin clients. I'm curious as to what the > bandwidth requirements are going to be like on the network? Can anyone > give me a ballpark figure on how much bandwidth each RDP client will eat > up when doing a Windows Terminal Server session? I have the resources > to make significant upgrades to the network, but I don't want to spend > the money if its not necessary. > > Thanks! > > Casey Woods Why not consider doing a K12LTSP thin client solution? :-) Seriously, though, since this is a K12 *Linux* Terminal Server Project, I don't know if people have done bandwidth analyses for the Windows protocols. However, I can tell you that, with K12LTSP, TuxType can use up 73Mb/sec of X11 traffic per client. Therefore, in a LTSP situation like K12LTSP, you'd definitely want to go with 100Mb on the desktop. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hardware/Network: By far a terminal server is much easier to maintain than have 40 independent or domain clients throughout a network. All hardware upgrades are on the server, backups are on the server, new software and package installations and upgrades are done on the server. The only thing that you really need to worry about at the client level is NICs, monitors, and power. Due to the terminal there is a lot of man hours saved. I know there are many more reasons and to me this is a no brainer as K12LTSP has saved school districts thousands of dollars and helped increase student access to technology. Hopefully this helps you get started. -Paul Paul VanGundy Technology Coordinator Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Bishay Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 4:58 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp Hello, Hope all is doing well. So tomorrow I have to go into the school and meet with the new principal, where I have to defend that the linux lab has some sort of educational value. As the message that was left for me said, "All the educational software on the market is for Windows." This is independent of the fact that the lab was running for the past year and a half under the old administration, supporting their educational needs with no problem. Part of the problem is that she has a trusted advisor (not at the school) who seems to have a lot of experience (years and years) with computers is pushing this idea onto the principal. Seems they both feel that only Windows can support the educational software that they have heard of. This seems to be an urgent issue, as they were about to go ahead with the dismantling of the lab without even talking about it, so I only have one chance before they decide to change all the machines to Windows 98 (I have no idea how they will go about doing this, but the machines cannot support anything more and that's what they have suggested). So what do you all think? This is a small elementary school and I know many other schools out there use k12ltsp - how do you deal with this situation? I'm thinking 2 things - 1) many applications may already exist for linux that I just need to show them or download/install and show them and 2) maybe you know about windows programs which could have previously required installation but now run through a browser off a website and therefore no longer need Windows. help! Joseph _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Oct 24 23:21:20 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:21:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <435D6C70.9050202@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello, > > Hope all is doing well. > > So tomorrow I have to go into the school and meet with the new > principal, where I have to defend that the linux lab has some sort of > educational value. As the message that was left for me said, "All the > educational software on the market is for Windows." This is > independent of the fact that the lab was running for the past year and > a half under the old administration, supporting their educational > needs with no problem. Are the teachers currently happy? Would they be happy if the terminals were replaced with win98? Would they be willing to express their opinions on the matter? If the principal *really* *really* wants windows, come hell or high water, perhaps suggest a windows terminal server? Run windows apps on a as-needed basis, everything else runs on the cheap, reliable, lovable thin clients. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(Especailly since they will be going to an OS that is no longer supported and will not have secuity updated after June of 2006) As for the educational software, find out what it is they want to do. There are a TON of sites out there now that students can use for no cost, and even more if you include those sites that can be used when a school pays for them. Many of those sites 'for cost' sites then allow a student to use the application while at home as well. Also focus on the idea that we should be teaching students ideas, not applications. A pet-peeve of mine is when someone says "we should be using MS Word since everyone does." Lets teach the kids how to write, not how to use a particular application !!!!! (RANT OVER) Odd thing is as I am typing this, my 2nd grader is playing on www.starfall.com and my 4 & 3 yr olds are happy playing along with her. Some other sites she likes are: http://www.starfall.com http://www.funbrain.com http://www.primarygames.com http://www.iknowthat.com And although i do not like about.com -- this can be a good place to start to look for other: http://homeschooling.about.com/od/games/ On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:58:09 -0400 Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello, > > Hope all is doing well. > > So tomorrow I have to go into the school and meet with the new > principal, where I have to defend that the linux lab has some sort of > educational value. As the message that was left for me said, "All the > educational software on the market is for Windows." This is > independent of the fact that the lab was running for the past year and > a half under the old administration, supporting their educational > needs with no problem. > > Part of the problem is that she has a trusted advisor (not at the > school) who seems to have a lot of experience (years and years) with > computers is pushing this idea onto the principal. Seems they both > feel that only Windows can support the educational software that they > have heard of. > > This seems to be an urgent issue, as they were about to go ahead with > the dismantling of the lab without even talking about it, so I only > have one chance before they decide to change all the machines to > Windows 98 (I have no idea how they will go about doing this, but the > machines cannot support anything more and that's what they have > suggested). > > So what do you all think? This is a small elementary school and I > know many other schools out there use k12ltsp - how do you deal with > this situation? I'm thinking 2 things - 1) many applications may > already exist for linux that I just need to show them or > download/install and show them and 2) maybe you know about windows > programs which could have previously required installation but now run > through a browser off a website and therefore no longer need Windows. > > help! > > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ***************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From tlegge at rogers.com Tue Oct 25 00:24:43 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:24:43 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound with 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <20051024144121.14979.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20051024144121.14979.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <435D7B4B.5010301@rogers.com> Timothy Legge wrote: > I have enabled sound in the lts.conf file and the > flash hack in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp (I forget the > file name) This looks to be incorrect in 4.4.1: # Set REMOTE_SOUND_HACKS=YES if you want to do a trick that makes # most non-esound apps work with esound's remote sound abilities. # This is known to cause stability problems with some programs REMOTE_SOUND_HACKS=YES The /etc/cron.hourly/ltsp_esd_hack references: $FLASH_SOUND_HACK not REMOTE_SOUND_HACKS. After setting FLASH_SOUND_HACK to YES in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp the .esd/socket file was correctly created. Tim From tlegge at rogers.com Tue Oct 25 00:55:21 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:55:21 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound with tuxmath, tuxpaint and gcompris Message-ID: <435D8279.9060704@rogers.com> Hi I managed to get sound working for tuxmath, tuxpaint and gcompris by creating the following "script" for each: #!/bin/sh LD_PRELOAD=/lib/libaudiooss.so.1.0 export AUDIOSERVER="$DISPLAY" tuxmath In my setup I have esd enabled in lts.conf so I assume that something is not quite correct. If I review /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh it seems like most of this stuff should be already done and working. If I understand correctly /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh is called from /etc/profile and /etc/profile is supposed to be called on login. Is that correct? Tim From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 01:25:54 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:25:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/24/05, Joseph Bishay wrote: > So tomorrow I have to go into the school and meet with the new > principal, where I have to defend that the linux lab has some sort of > educational value. As the message that was left for me said, "All the > educational software on the market is for Windows." For what it's worth, I'm working on increasing Wine's support for educational software. Honestly, though, if you need to run a wide spectrum of educational titles today, you need Windows. Can you perhaps embrace this as a temporary measure, and set up your lab so that you can boot all workstations to either LTSP or Windows remotely? From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Oct 25 01:35:06 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:35:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1130204106.10926.16.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 17:58 -0400, Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello, > > Hope all is doing well. > > So tomorrow I have to go into the school and meet with the new > principal, where I have to defend that the linux lab has some sort of > educational value. As the message that was left for me said, "All the > educational software on the market is for Windows." This is > independent of the fact that the lab was running for the past year and > a half under the old administration, supporting their educational > needs with no problem. > > Part of the problem is that she has a trusted advisor (not at the > school) who seems to have a lot of experience (years and years) with > computers is pushing this idea onto the principal. Seems they both > feel that only Windows can support the educational software that they > have heard of. > > This seems to be an urgent issue, as they were about to go ahead with > the dismantling of the lab without even talking about it, so I only > have one chance before they decide to change all the machines to > Windows 98 (I have no idea how they will go about doing this, but the > machines cannot support anything more and that's what they have > suggested). > > So what do you all think? This is a small elementary school and I > know many other schools out there use k12ltsp - how do you deal with > this situation? I'm thinking 2 things - 1) many applications may > already exist for linux that I just need to show them or > download/install and show them and 2) maybe you know about windows > programs which could have previously required installation but now run > through a browser off a website and therefore no longer need Windows. > > help! > > Joseph Point her at this article. Better yet, print it out and have her read it in front of you. It is an interview with a classroom teacher (Paul Nelson, Riverdale School District) that addresses exactly that point. http://www.redhat.com/advice/ask_pnelson.html --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue Oct 25 02:05:43 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:05:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <1130204106.10926.16.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <1130204106.10926.16.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20AB9575-BC28-4A98-B61A-89FBB5995474@mindfirestudios.com> Here's a good question, how many of these educational games are going to support windows 98 in the future, not to mention all of the security issues since it isn't supported anymore. If they want a windows lab then they really ought to buy a brand new lab and leave the old machines running K12LTSP. Then the principal can see just how important that windows educational software really is. From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Oct 25 02:22:08 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:22:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp Message-ID: <20051024192208.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.bdeac4222c.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Do they not know that the new Star Reader, Math programs are all web based and now run on a web server? Compass Learning's product is also web based. I just attended a conference here in Alabama, AETA, and one of the speakers was an elementary school principal from Portland. He is a big advocate of OpenSource and has seen many benefits in his school. Perhaps I can email you his name and maybe he can provide some assistance. He is also very technical, not your average principal. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp > From: Joseph Bishay > Date: Mon, October 24, 2005 4:58 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > Hello, > > Hope all is doing well. > > So tomorrow I have to go into the school and meet with the new > principal, where I have to defend that the linux lab has some sort of > educational value. As the message that was left for me said, "All the > educational software on the market is for Windows." This is > independent of the fact that the lab was running for the past year and > a half under the old administration, supporting their educational > needs with no problem. > > Part of the problem is that she has a trusted advisor (not at the > school) who seems to have a lot of experience (years and years) with > computers is pushing this idea onto the principal. Seems they both > feel that only Windows can support the educational software that they > have heard of. > > This seems to be an urgent issue, as they were about to go ahead with > the dismantling of the lab without even talking about it, so I only > have one chance before they decide to change all the machines to > Windows 98 (I have no idea how they will go about doing this, but the > machines cannot support anything more and that's what they have > suggested). > > So what do you all think? This is a small elementary school and I > know many other schools out there use k12ltsp - how do you deal with > this situation? I'm thinking 2 things - 1) many applications may > already exist for linux that I just need to show them or > download/install and show them and 2) maybe you know about windows > programs which could have previously required installation but now run > through a browser off a website and therefore no longer need Windows. > > help! > > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 04:19:47 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:49:47 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: Put your K12LTSP installation on the map In-Reply-To: <435D46DD.3000405@maltzen.net> References: <435D46DD.3000405@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <774593a20510242119j32e9e657v94b257d037b246ce@mail.gmail.com> On 10/25/05, Petre Scheie wrote: > Just a reminder for those who may have missed the notice last week: Add your school to > the map of K12LTSP sites at http://www.frappr.com/k12ltsp . It's really cool! As it > fills up it provides a great answer when people ask "Who else is using it?" The map is US centric. I wanted to add installations in India but.... -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From casey.woods at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 02:06:24 2005 From: casey.woods at gmail.com (Casey Woods) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:06:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop bandwidth? In-Reply-To: <1130193779.10926.8.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <435D4305.60502@gmail.com> <1130193779.10926.8.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <435D9320.2010607@gmail.com> I'm taking it one step at a time! I doubt if we'll ever get rid of the Windows terminal servers as the primary servers. The first step is the thin clients (which will be ltsp and will be served by an ltsp serer). These will be for staff and running all the Windows apps that can't (just won't) go away. Once we have the thin clients running well with Windows, we'll configure them to access both Linux and Windows terminal servers. They won't know what him them! I asked about rdesktop here because I know there are people using the rdesktop thin client to access both Linux and Windows terminal servers. Casey Terrell Prud? wrote: > On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 14:24 -0600, Casey Woods wrote: > >>I have a network with approximately 200 aging Win2K machines that we're >>looking to convert to thin clients. I'm curious as to what the >>bandwidth requirements are going to be like on the network? Can anyone >>give me a ballpark figure on how much bandwidth each RDP client will eat >>up when doing a Windows Terminal Server session? I have the resources >>to make significant upgrades to the network, but I don't want to spend >>the money if its not necessary. >> >>Thanks! >> >>Casey Woods >> >> > > > Why not consider doing a K12LTSP thin client solution? :-) > > Seriously, though, since this is a K12 *Linux* Terminal Server > Project, I don't know if people have done bandwidth analyses for the > Windows protocols. However, I can tell you that, with K12LTSP, > TuxType can use up 73Mb/sec of X11 traffic per client. Therefore, in > a LTSP situation like K12LTSP, you'd definitely want to go with 100Mb > on the desktop. > > --TP > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 05:13:54 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:13:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: Put your K12LTSP installation on the map In-Reply-To: <774593a20510242119j32e9e657v94b257d037b246ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <435D46DD.3000405@maltzen.net> <774593a20510242119j32e9e657v94b257d037b246ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/24/05, Sudev Barar wrote: > The map is US centric. I wanted to add installations in India but.... Yes the initial default view is of north america but you can easily expand out to the entire globe. I would love to see more international representation. For example I know there are people in South Africa but I don't see anything on the map. Come on, this is a great opportunity to show people how prolific k12ltsp has become. There is another thread right now with someone trying to convince their principal to stick with k12ltsp. I can see it now. "Look how many schools are using this around the world" -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From k12osn at perusion.com Tue Oct 25 05:41:28 2005 From: k12osn at perusion.com (Mike Heins) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:41:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: Put your K12LTSP installation on the map In-Reply-To: <435D46DD.3000405@maltzen.net> References: <435D46DD.3000405@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20051025054128.GA3247@bill.heins.net> Quoting Petre Scheie (petre at maltzen.net): > Just a reminder for those who may have missed the notice last week: Add > your school to the map of K12LTSP sites at http://www.frappr.com/k12ltsp . > It's really cool! As it fills up it provides a great answer when people ask > "Who else is using it?" > > Right now the count is at 38, but I see lots of messages on the list from > people and places that aren't on the map yet. I think we should be able to > make 100 sites on the map, so I'll keep nagging once a week or so until we > hit that, or I get kicked off the list for being annoying. ;) > I just added our site, new this fall. We have 30 donated thin clients on two donated servers (glorified desktops, actually). The kids took to them like ducks to water, and the performance and reliability is a blessing. All the troubleshooting time is spent on the Windows machines that are still spread all over the school, and people are starting to notice that the K12ltsp systems "just work". Teachers think nothing of trotting their classes in to use the stations. I was in the lab working on a couple of things when one trooped in. There was *not a single question* from 26 fourth-graders about logging in and getting Openoffice going -- within a minute all you could hear was keybords. -- Mike Heins Perusion -- Expert Interchange Consulting http://www.perusion.com/ phone +1.765.647.1295 tollfree 800-949-1889 There's nothing sweeter than life nor more precious than time. -- Barney From robark at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 05:47:09 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:47:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Show your principal this http://www.frappr.com/k12ltsp -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 06:21:51 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:21:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: VMware offers free player with Ubuntu vm Message-ID: I usually hand out Knoppix, Mepis or DSL live cd's to all my programming students. But I just tried VMware's free (as in beer) player http://www.vmware.com/products/player/ with their Ubuntu vm http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/vm/browserapp.html It will work on windows or linux. So students can use (a stripped down version) of Ubuntu on top of Windows at home. No need to reboot and it has persistence. Only catch is you really need 512MB for it to work properly, 256 is just too small for both windows and linux combined. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From gumprechtm at msad3.org Tue Oct 25 10:40:06 2005 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 06:40:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP: High School Experiences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <435E0B86.8060507@msad3.org> Larry, Because of monetary constraints, K12ltsp has saved my butt! In the High school I have 2 K12ltsp servers, 1 serving the library and 1 serving the high school wing. I have a centos4 smbldap domain controller. All has been pretty smooth sailing. I had some quotas hit do to a rouge 425mb folder on a desktop. Definitely redirect the desktops to their home folder. The kids love the terminals, term 150e's from www.disklessworkstation.com, w/17" lcds. Some are old computers with the aopen bootables in them. The BIGGEST CHALLENGE HAS BEEN THE TEACHERS. Their acceptence has been very low. IMHO, training, training, training. I failed to train the staff enough to get them used to seeing the terminal. Know your openoffice, inside and out. There are tutorials on the website to help http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-7351?q=StarOffice+8&s=t and a nice graphical site as well http://www.sun.com/products-n-solutions/edu/solutions/staroffice/star_tutorial/index.html The big stumbling block for most of the teachers is the "Lack" of a Micro$oft icon on the desktop for word and excel. If you can walk right up and whip out there answer in front of them, they tend to look a little harder before doubting the ability of the program again. I did install 1 terminal in the library in the beginning of last year to see what the usage would be. By the end of the year, there were 3 terminals and my squid logs showed that they were the most used computers in the library. I also have 3 elementary schools that are completely driven by a smbldap/k12ltsp servers. There is a howto in the wiki on ibooks and authing against the smbldap server, that was a big one, if you have ibooks. HTH Mark Larry Mateo wrote: >I'm requesting that some members of the K12LTSP community please write about positive and negative experiences that have been encountered when running a K12LTSP system at the high school level. > >We at the Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District have three K12LTSP systems running in middle schools; environments in which the students are either disinterested in or ignorant of the underlying technology, so we have few problems with security, hacking, gaming and like issues that we have encountered with our NetWare systems at the high schools. We are debating installing K12LTSP systems in high schools, and would like some input on real-world issues we will be facing and their possible solutions. > >Thanks in advance. > >Larry Mateo >Network Technician II >Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District >larrym at fsusd.k12.ca.us > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Oct 25 11:35:29 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:35:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1130240129.10926.21.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 22:47 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Show your principal this > > http://www.frappr.com/k12ltsp > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 Hi Robert, Are there any special browser requirements? I've loaded this page both in Firefox and Konqueror, and it doesn't appear to render right. Firefox shows what looks like placeholders for images, but no images appear. Konqueror, in those same places, shows nothing at all, just white, blank screen. I have JavaScript turned on in both cases. This is on K12LTSP 4.2.1EL, BTW. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue Oct 25 12:45:27 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:45:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <1130240129.10926.21.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <1130240129.10926.21.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: It worked for me in Safari, so I don't think it's IE specific. On Oct 25, 2005, at 6:35 AM, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 22:47 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> Show your principal this http://www.frappr.com/k12ltsp -- Robert >> Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > Hi Robert, > > Are there any special browser requirements? I've loaded this page > both in Firefox and Konqueror, and it doesn't appear to render > right. Firefox shows what looks like placeholders for images, but > no images appear. Konqueror, in those same places, shows nothing > at all, just white, blank screen. I have JavaScript turned on in > both cases. This is on K12LTSP 4.2.1EL, BTW. > > --TP > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From natarajsn at sancharnet.in Tue Oct 25 18:15:34 2005 From: natarajsn at sancharnet.in (Nataraj S Narayan) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:15:34 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Fatal Server Error: Cannot open Xorg.0.0.log In-Reply-To: <435CDBA4.7050305@maltzen.net> References: <20051021160045.B396D73771@hormel.redhat.com> <435A198B.2030208@sancharnet.in> <435CDBA4.7050305@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <435E7646.10301@sancharnet.in> Hi Petre this is my partition info df -m Filesystem 1M-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/sda2 19071 9141 8961 51% / /dev/sda1 1004 21 932 3% /boot /dev/sda3 51684 12537 36521 26% /home none 503 0 503 0% /dev/shm /dev/sda5 29386 3568 24325 13% /var /var uses only 13% space. What else do i do? regards Nataraj Petre Scheie wrote: > Make sure that whatever partition /var is on isn't full. Nowadays, > /var is usually on the root partition, so check that. > > Petre > > Nataraj S Narayan wrote: > >> Hi >> >> My LTSP systems won't boot one day. They are showing the following. I >> have not made any changes to the Server. My server is on Redhat 9. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Building /tmp/XF86Config-4 file >> >> Fatal Server Error: >> >> Cannot open log file /var/log/Xorg.0.0.1... >> >> Pleas consult X.org Foundation at http://wiki.X.org >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> Getting same when i use Screen_01=shell and give /tmp/start_ws >> >> Plz help >> >> regards >> >> Nataraj >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > From accessys at smart.net Tue Oct 25 12:48:52 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <1130240129.10926.21.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <1130240129.10926.21.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Terrell [ISO-8859-1] Prud?, Jr. wrote: > On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 22:47 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > -- > > Robert Arkiletian > > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > > Hi Robert, > > Are there any special browser requirements? I've loaded this page both > in Firefox and Konqueror, and it doesn't appear to render right. sometimes new is not better, it renders fine (no pics) in PINE Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Oct 25 13:32:33 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:32:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <435D6C70.9050202@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <435D6C70.9050202@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20051025132712.M51328@winonacotter.org> > Are the teachers currently happy? Would they be happy if the > terminals were replaced with win98? Would they be willing to express > their opinions on the matter? I agree with Eric here. If there are teachers that use the lab and have grown to like the apps and also have curriculum based around it use them to help you fight. Teachers usually have more pull, heck, they are usually what stops LTSP from even getting in the door. The play the virus/spyware card and ask who is going to service all of those Windows machines when a single one gets infected from viewing a simple web page and quickly infects the rest. Worst case state the shortfalls of the hardware and how the machines are able to run extremely fast with K12LTSP, but with Windows they would be slow and out of date. Maybe fight that the lab be augmented with a few newer Windows machines and keep the current K12LTSP structure in place. Then when they become infected you can easily "fix" them with a boot floppy :-) Sounds like you have a tough case to present since the new principal has already made up their mind. Good luck -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Tue Oct 25 13:36:34 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:36:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <1130240129.10926.21.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <1130240129.10926.21.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <435E34E2.2090304@maltzen.net> Sorry all, it looks like the server was getting pounded or having some sort of trouble yesterday afternoon--site not available, images not loading, K12LTSP section not found, etc.-- right about the time I posted my nag. This morning it appears to be acting normal. Terrell, I can view the map on Firefox on my RH8 (K12LTSP 3.0.1) box with no problems. Petre Terrell Prud? wrote: > On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 22:47 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >>Show your principal this >> >>http://www.frappr.com/k12ltsp >> >>-- >>Robert Arkiletian >>C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 >> > > Hi Robert, > > Are there any special browser requirements? I've loaded this page both > in Firefox and Konqueror, and it doesn't appear to render right. > Firefox shows what looks like placeholders for images, but no images > appear. Konqueror, in those same places, shows nothing at all, just > white, blank screen. I have JavaScript turned on in both cases. This > is on K12LTSP 4.2.1EL, BTW. > > --TP > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rstewart at iccpartners.com Tue Oct 25 13:43:21 2005 From: rstewart at iccpartners.com (Rondall Stewart) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:43:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticating against Windows AD Message-ID: I followed this link and it worked for me. http://mcpmag.com/columns/article.asp?editorialsid=976#post Also I highly recommend backing up each file it tells you to modify. Rondall Stewart Technical Team Leader ICC Technology Partners (606)886-8447 ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Paul VanGundy Sent: Mon 10/24/2005 8:12 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticating against Windows AD All, I recently installed K12LTSP 4.4.1 and it is running beautifully. I am now trying to make it so that users can sit down at the terminals and log onto them with the exact same username and password they use on Windows computers on our domain. I edited the krb5.conf file and it still didn't work. I then tried to find the pam_unix2.conf file (found in SuSE Pro 9.2) and edit it but that file didn't exist. I read online to look in system_auth but I didn't see anything I could edit that would make a difference. Has anyone successfully set up K12LTSP to authenticate users against a Windows AD? K12LTSP in our district is pretty much pointless if we cannot accomplish this. Any and all help would be GREATLY appreciated. Thank you. -Paul Paul VanGundy Technology Coordinator Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I heard about a ULIMIT setting that caps memory or cpu usage, could dissabling it help with this problem? And if so where is this setting? I will try tweaking verynice and let you know what it does, but I must say I don't have a lot of hope for it. Still it is worth a try. Thanks, - -- Justin Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District 1-715-327-4223 paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us "The world is open. Are you?" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDXiDX1ed72CY2bpoRAkNAAJ4+MyQGGD7hcZLq3FbKgjbG+leUrACfV00z ey+GlZFMWj54L61OCXG20nE= =tqAK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I wanted to add installations in India but.... > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From edward at netday.org.za Tue Oct 25 15:56:26 2005 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:56:26 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: Put your K12LTSP installation on the map In-Reply-To: <435E4D72.8030107@maltzen.net> References: <435D46DD.3000405@maltzen.net> <774593a20510242119j32e9e657v94b257d037b246ce@mail.gmail.com> <435E4D72.8030107@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <7E75E115-2D64-44AF-8831-93B12192DF0F@netday.org.za> On 25 Oct 2005, at 5:21 PM, Petre Scheie wrote: > Be sure you specify your city, state and country. There was some > initial confusion with Canandian sites until someone pointed out > that you must specify a city. > > Sudev Barar wrote: > >> On 10/25/05, Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>> Just a reminder for those who may have missed the notice last >>> week: Add your school to >>> the map of K12LTSP sites at http://www.frappr.com/k12ltsp . It's >>> really cool! As it >>> fills up it provides a great answer when people ask "Who else is >>> using it?" >>> >> The map is US centric. I wanted to add installations in India but.... >> - ... and Africa. So much for the information society. ed From robark at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 17:48:27 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:48:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <1130240129.10926.21.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <1130240129.10926.21.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On 10/25/05, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 22:47 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Show your principal this > > http://www.frappr.com/k12ltsp > > > Hi Robert, > > Are there any special browser requirements? I've loaded this page both in > Firefox and Konqueror, and it doesn't appear to render right. Firefox shows > what looks like placeholders for images, but no images appear. Konqueror, > in those same places, shows nothing at all, just white, blank screen. I > have JavaScript turned on in both cases. This is on K12LTSP 4.2.1EL, BTW. I'm running 4.2.1EL also and I have no probs with Firefox or Opera to view the site. Maybe it was temporarily down as Petre mentioned. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 18:06:48 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:06:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp In-Reply-To: References: <1130240129.10926.21.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: Hello everyone. So here's the update. Met with the principal, and she's convinced. It was a bit iffy at first, but everything ended up ok. First she came loaded with a stck of Reader-rabbit and other multimedia CDs from the 1990s. We started talking about the requirements for the students and the school, and after getting a list of them, I went through all the software that was already installed on the server, plus the websites that someone suggested (they are great, BTW). By the end of it, she was convinced that the lab is fine as is. The windows machines that they had brought in will be deployed in the classrooms as standalone machines for those games, but the lab will be used for everything else. The whole thing, however, is conditional on getting sound to work on all the machines. We never needed it before, so I had it deactivated, but now I need to get it working. So far I've got a couple of the clients working withsound, but I've noticed a serious drop in application/website speed. I guess this is the penalty I'll have to pay for the setup. If it becomes too slow, I know this whole conversation will happen again, this time with the sound issue on their side. Any suggestions? thank you, Joseph From accessys at smart.net Tue Oct 25 18:37:03 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp In-Reply-To: References: <1130240129.10926.21.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello everyone. > > So here's the update. Met with the principal, and she's convinced. It > was a bit iffy at first, but everything ended up ok. good, at least she was open minded enough to listen > > The whole thing, however, is conditional on getting sound to work on > all the machines. We never needed it before, so I had it deactivated, > but now I need to get it working. So far I've got a couple of the > clients working withsound, but I've noticed a serious drop in > application/website speed. I guess this is the penalty I'll have to > pay for the setup. If it becomes too slow, I know this whole > conversation will happen again, this time with the sound issue on > their side. Any suggestions? let her know that for sound to be peppy then you need a faster more powerful server. but would need that with windows too. 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URL: From nbs at sonic.net Tue Oct 25 19:01:32 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:01:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: Put your K12LTSP installation on the map In-Reply-To: <7E75E115-2D64-44AF-8831-93B12192DF0F@netday.org.za> References: <435D46DD.3000405@maltzen.net> <774593a20510242119j32e9e657v94b257d037b246ce@mail.gmail.com> <435E4D72.8030107@maltzen.net> <7E75E115-2D64-44AF-8831-93B12192DF0F@netday.org.za> Message-ID: <20051025190132.GB31008@sonic.net> On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 05:56:26PM +0200, Edward Holcroft wrote: > >>The map is US centric. I wanted to add installations in India but.... > >>- > ... and Africa. So much for the information society. It's just a Google map. Simply zoom out, and you see the rest of the world! (I think that's even been pointed out here a coupla times. ;^) ) -bill! From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Tue Oct 25 19:30:25 2005 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:30:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp In-Reply-To: References: <1130240129.10926.21.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20051025153025.104ccfed@localhost.localdomain> Glad to hear that it went well. A 'beefer' server followed by a gig Ethernet between the server and the switch will make a WORLD of difference. A little prep-work comparing the K12LTSP upgrade cost to the Windows upgrade cost might grease some wheels for you. You might want to see about getting those stand-alone Windows computers on the same LTSP network, and you can use a boot floppy to get yourself a few more terminals without messing with her Reader Rabbit :-) You could have two labs, with the LTSP server in the middle. Then they can run as 1 Windows lab, 1 Linux lab when needed, or use the boot floppies, and now you have 2 Linux labs. (Might just be wishful thinking, but food for thought) Kevin On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:06:48 -0400 Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello everyone. > > So here's the update. Met with the principal, and she's convinced. It > was a bit iffy at first, but everything ended up ok. > > First she came loaded with a stck of Reader-rabbit and other > multimedia CDs from the 1990s. We started talking about the > requirements for the students and the school, and after getting a list > of them, I went through all the software that was already installed on > the server, plus the websites that someone suggested (they are great, > BTW). By the end of it, she was convinced that the lab is fine as is. > The windows machines that they had brought in will be deployed in the > classrooms as standalone machines for those games, but the lab will be > used for everything else. > > The whole thing, however, is conditional on getting sound to work on > all the machines. We never needed it before, so I had it deactivated, > but now I need to get it working. So far I've got a couple of the > clients working withsound, but I've noticed a serious drop in > application/website speed. I guess this is the penalty I'll have to > pay for the setup. If it becomes too slow, I know this whole > conversation will happen again, this time with the sound issue on > their side. Any suggestions? > > thank you, > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ***************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Oct 25 19:37:56 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:37:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <20051025153025.104ccfed@localhost.localdomain> References: <1130240129.10926.21.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051025153025.104ccfed@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Gentgeen wrote: > > Glad to hear that it went well. > > > A 'beefer' server followed by a gig Ethernet between the server and the > switch will make a WORLD of difference. A little prep-work comparing > the K12LTSP upgrade cost to the Windows upgrade cost might grease some > wheels for you. > > You might want to see about getting those stand-alone Windows computers > on the same LTSP network, and you can use a boot floppy to get yourself > a few more terminals without messing with her Reader Rabbit :-) > Refresh my memory. . . isn't there a DOS bootdisk image that can be run from a command promt that will boot the computer as a thin client? rom-o-matic comes to mind here. . . > You could have two labs, with the LTSP server in the middle. Then they > can run as 1 Windows lab, 1 Linux lab when needed, or use the boot > floppies, and now you have 2 Linux labs. (Might just be wishful > thinking, but food for thought) > > Kevin > > > > On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:06:48 -0400 > Joseph Bishay wrote: > > > Hello everyone. > > > > So here's the update. Met with the principal, and she's convinced. It > > was a bit iffy at first, but everything ended up ok. > > > > First she came loaded with a stck of Reader-rabbit and other > > multimedia CDs from the 1990s. We started talking about the > > requirements for the students and the school, and after getting a list > > of them, I went through all the software that was already installed on > > the server, plus the websites that someone suggested (they are great, > > BTW). By the end of it, she was convinced that the lab is fine as is. > > The windows machines that they had brought in will be deployed in the > > classrooms as standalone machines for those games, but the lab will be > > used for everything else. > > > > The whole thing, however, is conditional on getting sound to work on > > all the machines. We never needed it before, so I had it deactivated, > > but now I need to get it working. So far I've got a couple of the > > clients working withsound, but I've noticed a serious drop in > > application/website speed. I guess this is the penalty I'll have to > > pay for the setup. If it becomes too slow, I know this whole > > conversation will happen again, this time with the sound issue on > > their side. Any suggestions? > > > > thank you, > > Joseph > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > -- > ***************************************************************** > Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem > your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad > company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 19:41:21 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:41:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <20051025153025.104ccfed@localhost.localdomain> References: <1130240129.10926.21.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051025153025.104ccfed@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I should have probably specified what our lab setup currently is: - server - ASUS p4p800 P4 3.2 Ghz 2 GIG RAM with SCSI 2x36 GB drives in RAID 1 with an intel gigabit network card for the clients - we have a total of 12 clients connected to the server, almost all of them with the same intel gigabit network cards, connected through a rankmount dlink 24 port switch. The clients are all pentium I machines with 16 or 32 MB of ram. thanks. Joseph From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Oct 25 19:52:35 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:52:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp In-Reply-To: References: <1130240129.10926.21.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051025153025.104ccfed@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: add RAM to them first. . . you will see a HUGH difference between 16 and 64MB and a very noticeable difference between 32 and 64MB. RAM is cheap these days. . . Second, how much Video RAM do they have. The more, the better. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Joseph Bishay wrote: > I should have probably specified what our lab setup currently is: > > - server - ASUS p4p800 P4 3.2 Ghz 2 GIG RAM with SCSI 2x36 GB drives > in RAID 1 with an intel gigabit network card for the clients > > - we have a total of 12 clients connected to the server, almost all of > them with the same intel gigabit network cards, connected through a > rankmount dlink 24 port switch. The clients are all pentium I > machines with 16 or 32 MB of ram. > > thanks. > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 19:56:55 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:56:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp In-Reply-To: References: <1130240129.10926.21.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051025153025.104ccfed@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Hello, > you will see a HUGH difference between 16 and 64MB and a very noticeable > difference between 32 and 64MB. RAM is cheap these days. . . I don't even know if they can handle anymore ram. I think many of them have only 1 slot for a stick of ram now. What sort of ram is this - EDO? > Second, how much Video RAM do they have. The more, the better. . . Most have 1 MB or max 2 of onboard ram. thanks, Joseph From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Oct 25 19:35:14 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:35:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] *Home Directories* Message-ID: <200510252012.j9PKC1M7012637@mx3.redhat.com> All, I recently installed K12LTSP 4.4.1 and needed to authenticate against a W2K3 ADS. I was able to get that working today by using winbind. However, now I have another question. While testing this, I used a domain account to log into the terminal and receive the following message: Your home directory is listed as: '/home/EMHS/vangundypw' but does not appear to exist. Do you want to log in with the / (root) directory as your home directory? It is unlikely anything will work unless you use a failsafe session. Now when I create the users folder in the /home/EMHS directory on the K12LTSP server and put them as the owners it works fine and they can log in. However, I run a fairly large domain with a LOT of users. Is it possible to make it so that these folders are automatically created for each domain user and the permissions are given to them as they log onto the machine? Or at least make it so that Linux grabs user information from the ADS and automatically creates the folders? I am trying to avoid creating each individual home folder. Any and all help in this matter would be GREATLY appreciated. Thank you in advance. -Paul Paul VanGundy Technology Coordinator Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 20:33:32 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:33:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolbell error in log Message-ID: Good day. Every day in root's email on the server I get the following message: Sub: Cron run-parts /etc/cron.daily /etc/cron.daily/logrotate: error: stat of /var/log/schoolbell/*.log failed: No such file or directory How would I remove this message? We don't use schoolbell so I'm assuming that it's not finding anything because of that. I used webmin to look at the cron jobs but could not find one related to schoolbell. Advice? thank you. Joseph From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 21:08:32 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:08:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <435E20D7.2020807@frederic.k12.wi.us> References: <435E20D7.2020807@frederic.k12.wi.us> Message-ID: On 10/25/05, Justin Paulsen wrote: > top - 10:03:37 up 3 days, 21:42, 2 users, load average: 0.51, 0.41, 0.47 > Tasks: 229 total, 1 running, 228 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie > Cpu(s): 11.6% us, 6.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 79.4% id, 0.0% wa, 2.7% hi, 0.0% si > Mem: 4091532k total, 1381188k used, 2710344k free, 134052k buffers > Swap: 2031608k total, 0k used, 2031608k free, 756124k cached > > PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND > 6724 elem_14 11 -4 19480 5984 2336 S 1.7 0.1 0:09.72 tuxtype2 > 6688 elem_03 11 -4 19392 5908 2336 S 1.3 0.1 0:13.09 tuxtype2 > 6706 elem_09 11 -4 19428 5884 2332 S 1.3 0.1 0:12.02 tuxtype2 > 6712 elem_10 11 -4 19428 5884 2332 S 1.3 0.1 0:11.27 tuxtype2 >... [about 20 tuxtype2's running] OK! Looks like you're not swapping, and you're not hurting overall for CPU time. > [root at Ayumi ~]# ping -c 100 192.168.0.254 > PING 192.168.0.254 (192.168.0.254) 56(84) bytes of data. > 64 bytes from 192.168.0.254: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.039 ms > ... [No packet loss in 10 tries, very fast] And you don't have very high packet loss (though I can't tell for sure since you didn't include the statistics at the end) > I heard about a ULIMIT setting that caps memory or cpu usage, could > dissabling it help with this problem? And if so where is this setting? That probably won't help. It just kills the app if you go too high. (See 'man ulimit'.) > I will try tweaking verynice and let you know what it does, but I must > say I don't have a lot of hope for it. Still it is worth a try. I'd say there's a very good chance that it will help! Your apps appear to be starved for CPU for no good reason. Let us know if shutting verynice down helps. Last question: what kernel are you running? - Dan From petre at maltzen.net Tue Oct 25 21:18:25 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:18:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolbell error in log In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <435EA121.3060202@maltzen.net> Remove the /etc/logrotate.d/schoolbell script. You may also want to remove the /etc/logrotate.d/schooltool script. Petre Joseph Bishay wrote: >Good day. > >Every day in root's email on the server I get the following message: > >Sub: Cron run-parts /etc/cron.daily >/etc/cron.daily/logrotate: >error: stat of /var/log/schoolbell/*.log failed: No such file or directory > >How would I remove this message? We don't use schoolbell so I'm >assuming that it's not finding anything because of that. I used webmin >to look at the cron jobs but could not find one related to schoolbell. > >Advice? > >thank you. >Joseph > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 21:18:42 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:18:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp In-Reply-To: References: <1130240129.10926.21.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On 10/25/05, Joseph Bishay wrote: > First she came loaded with a stck of Reader-rabbit and other > multimedia CDs from the 1990s. We started talking about the > requirements for the students and the school, and after getting a list > of them, I went through all the software that was already installed on > the server, plus the websites that someone suggested (they are great, > BTW). By the end of it, she was convinced that the lab is fine as is. > The windows machines that they had brought in will be deployed in the > classrooms as standalone machines for those games Can you give me a list of the Windows games that will be running on those standalone machines? Thanks, Dan From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Oct 25 21:24:54 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:24:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] *Home Directories* In-Reply-To: <200510252012.j9PKC1M7012637@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200510252012.j9PKC1M7012637@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <435EA2A6.2040307@mesd.k12.or.us> Paul VanGundy wrote: > Is it > possible to make it so that these folders are automatically created for > each domain user and the permissions are given to them as they log onto > the machine? Or at least make it so that Linux grabs user information > from the ADS and automatically creates the folders? I am trying to avoid > creating each individual home folder. Any and all help in this matter > would be GREATLY appreciated. Thank you in advance. Check out pam_mkhomedir: /usr/share/doc/pam-*/txts/README.pam_mkhomedir -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From jbuch7 at eq.edu.au Tue Oct 25 22:49:27 2005 From: jbuch7 at eq.edu.au (Joel Buchan) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:49:27 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] *Home Directories* In-Reply-To: <200510252012.j9PKC1M7012637@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200510252012.j9PKC1M7012637@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <435EB677.7000004@eq.edu.au> You could use this script http://mirrors.techiesabode.com/linuxgazette/101/levkovich.html grabs a list using wbinfo and creates a home folder and sets permissions I think it is what your after. > All, > > I recently installed K12LTSP 4.4.1 and needed to authenticate against > a W2K3 ADS. I was able to get that working today by using winbind. > However, now I have another question. While testing this, I used a > domain account to log into the terminal and receive the following message: > > Your home directory is listed as: ?/home/EMHS/vangundypw? but does not > appear to exist. Do you want to log in with the / (root) directory as > your home directory? It is unlikely anything will work unless you use > a failsafe session. > > Now when I create the users folder in the /home/EMHS directory on the > K12LTSP server and put them as the owners it works fine and they can > log in. However, I run a fairly large domain with a LOT of users. Is > it possible to make it so that these folders are automatically created > for each domain user and the permissions are given to them as they log > onto the machine? Or at least make it so that Linux grabs user > information from the ADS and automatically creates the folders? I am > trying to avoid creating each individual home folder. Any and all help > in this matter would be GREATLY appreciated. Thank you in advance. > > -Paul > > Paul VanGundy > > Technology Coordinator > > Epping High School > > Epping Middle School > > P: 603.679.5472 x219 > > F: 603.679.2966 > > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From gKw-X at shaw.ca Tue Oct 25 23:02:40 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:02:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxtype/tuxpaint/etc unuseable Message-ID: <179b6617b3a3.17b3a3179b66@shaw.ca> OK I'm in the school now, troubleshooting why tuxpaint and tuxtype etc... are so slow as to be unuseable. I ran tuxtype on 14 machines and then ran top. The result is pasted down below. I also ran "/etc/init.d/verynice.init stop" like someone suggested and then rebooted the clients (the results below are from after rebooting the clients). Should tuxtype be taking more CPU? Also, why does kdeinit take so much CPU? Is that a problem? How can I determine the bandwidth usage? I would like to see if it is being sucked dry or not. Any suggestions? top - 03:55:41 up 19 days, 18:56, 19 users, load average: 4.06, 2.79, 1.33 Tasks: 545 total, 6 running, 537 sleeping, 2 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 0.1% us, 0.2% sy, 0.1% ni, 99.5% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.1% si Mem: 1032796k total, 1003888k used, 28908k free, 144100k buffers Swap: 2031608k total, 39820k used, 1991788k free, 222640k cached PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 16484 grade3 25 0 26628 12m 10m S 84.5 1.2 4:45.00 kdeinit 18216 grade4t 25 0 26628 12m 10m R 82.7 1.2 3:49.07 kdeinit 19108 root 15 0 2996 1140 672 R 5.4 0.1 0:00.07 top 19084 grade4t 15 0 25676 9436 5024 S 3.6 0.9 0:03.67 tuxtype2 19103 grade6 15 0 25432 9396 5024 S 3.6 0.9 0:01.34 tuxtype2 4189 root 15 0 90880 14m 2588 S 1.8 1.4 0:30.89 X 17399 grade7 15 0 9288 5084 3944 S 1.8 0.5 0:00.47 artsd 18963 grade7 15 0 29664 12m 5064 S 1.8 1.2 0:04.11 tuxtype2 19078 grade1t 15 0 25408 9392 5024 S 1.8 0.9 0:03.97 tuxtype2 19082 grade3t 15 0 25408 9392 5024 S 1.8 0.9 0:03.86 tuxtype2 19090 grade6t 15 0 25476 9392 5024 S 1.8 0.9 0:03.11 tuxtype2 19092 grade1 15 0 25416 9388 5024 S 1.8 0.9 0:02.72 tuxtype2 19100 grade4 15 0 25404 9392 5024 S 1.8 0.9 0:01.99 tuxtype2 1 root 16 0 1684 456 428 S 0.0 0.0 0:01.60 init 2 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.13 migration/0 3 root 34 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ksoftirqd/0 4 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.20 migration/1 5 root 34 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ksoftirqd/1 6 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:02.85 events/0 7 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:02.36 events/1 8 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 khelper 13 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kthread 23 root 20 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kacpid 134 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kblockd/0 135 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kblockd/1 143 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 khubd 200 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.82 pdflush 201 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:01.34 pdflush 203 root 12 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 aio/0 204 root 12 -5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 aio/1 202 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:12.86 kswapd0 From gKw-X at shaw.ca Tue Oct 25 23:16:46 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:16:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxtype/tuxpaint/etc unuseable Message-ID: <17acb117d89f.17d89f17acb1@shaw.ca> I should also mention that when all machines are off except one, so only one connected to ltsp and only one instance of tuxtype running, it's still unuseable, and no faster. Why could that be? Surely it can't be bandwidth? From gKw-X at shaw.ca Tue Oct 25 23:34:42 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:34:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxtype/tuxpaint/etc unuseable Message-ID: <17c2cd1814bb.1814bb17c2cd@shaw.ca> If I run tuxpaint locally (on the server), and play around drawing a square, it takes 60%+ cpu, however it seemes to never go over 1.5% or so when it's running on clients. So how can I remove this cap? Stopping the verynice thing didn't seem to do it. If I can get this fixed, get a printer working, and get floppies/cdroms working, then this school will stick with linux, and it will very likely spread to other schools thereafter... If I can't, it will likely die here... So any help would be very good! Thanks From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Tue Oct 25 23:36:51 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:36:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolbell error in log In-Reply-To: <435EA121.3060202@maltzen.net> References: <435EA121.3060202@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Thank you very much. Joseph On 10/25/05, Petre Scheie wrote: > Remove the /etc/logrotate.d/schoolbell script. You may also want to > remove the /etc/logrotate.d/schooltool script. > > Petre > > Joseph Bishay wrote: > > >Good day. > > > >Every day in root's email on the server I get the following message: > > > >Sub: Cron run-parts /etc/cron.daily > >/etc/cron.daily/logrotate: > >error: stat of /var/log/schoolbell/*.log failed: No such file or directory > > > >How would I remove this message? We don't use schoolbell so I'm > >assuming that it's not finding anything because of that. I used webmin > >to look at the cron jobs but could not find one related to schoolbell. > > > >Advice? > > > >thank you. > >Joseph > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 00:12:45 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:12:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] First K12LTSP Mapping--Now, Open Source Software in Schools! Message-ID: OK, so I think there is some genuine excitement about having a map that people can use to see K12LTSP / thin-client Linux installations. If you haven't seen it, it's at www.frappr.com/k12ltsp*or* at www.k12ltsp.com (which just has a little tagline for my company at the top). I've created another map, for those who haven't got thin-client running, but use Open Source software in their schools: www.frappr.com/k12opensource. Maybe you can put the products you use in your "shout-out." OpenOffice, Firefox, Moodle, Mambo, Samba... !! Let's show the world how Open Source software is helping schools all over the world to save money. Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are four things that matter on the clients. They are the following: 1.) 32MB DRAM. More obviously doesn't hurt, but I've found that it is not at all necessary. 16MB, though, is kidding yourself; bump it up. 2.) Decent video cards. I use ATI 3D Rage Pro's (e. g. Xpert 98); they're cheap and awesome. S3 Trio64's (e. g. the venerable Diamond Stealth64) also work decently. The one I'm using to type this email (Pentium II/233) uses a Matrox Millenium G400 AGP. Overkill, true, but boy, is this client fast! 3.) Sound cards that are actually *FULLY* LTSP-compatible. Leave crap like those ESS AudioDrives alone; the sound quality is absolutely horrid. I have found that both the SoundBlaster 16 and SoundBlaster AWE32 (yes, the old ISA cards) are wonderful. Simply wonderful. Equally so are the Ensoniq AudioPCI cards (the client I'm using right now has one, and I love it), including the Creative Ensoniq. Any of these are dirt-cheap on PriceWatch; grab 'em if you see 'em. BTW, sound works great with KDE, too. :-) 4.) 100Mbps, Full Duplex autonegotiating, network cards on the client. You're already using Gig-E cards, so this obviously isn't an issue. :-) That's about it. Real World Example (TM) here. My friend's 32MB Pentium-120, formerly a Windows NT Workstation 3.51 box (yes, the box is that old), is now a LTSP client; I also built them a small K12LTSP 4.2.1 server to use with it and two more clients I gave 'em. I pulled out his ancient, vintage 1995, ATI Mach64 card (D-A-W-G S-L-O-W) and dropped a generic S3 Trio64V2 card in, stuck a 3Com 3c905 NIC in (he already had a SoundBlaster 16 present), and boy, is it sweet. He and his four-year- old son love that Pentium-120 now ("Fedowwa is neeet!"). --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From robark at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 00:15:13 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:15:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp In-Reply-To: References: <1130240129.10926.21.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051025153025.104ccfed@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 10/25/05, Joseph Bishay wrote: > > I don't even know if they can handle anymore ram. I think many of them > have only 1 slot for a stick of ram now. What sort of ram is this - > EDO? That's odd to only have 1 slot for memory. Maybe the MB already has some memory onboard. I also find 64 megs for the clients is desirable. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 00:18:22 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:18:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <435E20D7.2020807@frederic.k12.wi.us> References: <435E20D7.2020807@frederic.k12.wi.us> Message-ID: Also run iptraf to see network load. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Oct 26 00:29:05 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:29:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Defending education usage for k12ltsp In-Reply-To: References: <1130240129.10926.21.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20051025153025.104ccfed@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1130286545.10926.62.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 15:56 -0400, Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello, > > > you will see a HUGH difference between 16 and 64MB and a very noticeable > > difference between 32 and 64MB. RAM is cheap these days. . . > > I don't even know if they can handle anymore ram. I think many of them > have only 1 slot for a stick of ram now. What sort of ram is this - > EDO? > Probably so. If they're Pentium I's, then there are three possiblities for DRAM physical form factors. 1.) 30-pin SIMM (must be added in fours) 2.) 72-pin SIMM (must be added in pairs) 3.) 168-pin DIMM (added one at a time, like today's boxes) In case 1, most mobos could take a max of 32MB DRAM, as they had eight slots, and the largest SIMM size that I ever saw was 4MB. All such mobos supported FPM memory. In case 2, I've never, ever seen a mobo with less than two slots, because, remember, you have to add them in pairs. It's very easy to get a couple of 32MB 72-pin SIMMs (64MB total), and very cheaply. Both FPM and EDO are supported on all such motherboards I've ever heard of. In case 3, you're talking about either FPM, EDO, or SDRAM DIMMs; note that SDRAM is very different electrically and not at all compatible with FPM/EDO DIMM slots. FPM or EDO DIMMs aren't hard to find at all. Of course, SDRAM's even easier. :-) In my experience, 32MB are quite sufficient for the thin clients, but having 64MB certainly doesn't hurt anything. The jump from 16MB to 32MB, though, I quite agree, is dramatic. --TP > > Second, how much Video RAM do they have. The more, the better. . . > > Most have 1 MB or max 2 of onboard ram. The video chipset also matters. Big time. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gKw-X at shaw.ca Wed Oct 26 00:30:40 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:30:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Printer Installation Message-ID: <184d8f18301b.18301b184d8f@shaw.ca> I'm attempting to install a printer on the server. It is an hp LaserJet 3200. It's plugged into the parralel port, and has been tested on other machines and works fine. I went to localhost:631 and added it as "Device URI: parallel:/dev/lp0", but it will not print the test page, it starts the job but nothing happens. Do I need to install a driver? I tried to follow the instructions here: http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/install.php#download_install but it gives me an error that it can't find a C compiler on the path when I get to the "make" command. Do I need that hp software? If so, how do I get gcc installed? If not, what else could be wrong? From gKw-X at shaw.ca Wed Oct 26 00:34:47 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:34:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow Message-ID: <185c92187f11.187f11185c92@shaw.ca> bash: iptraf: command not found Is this something that comes with k12? If not, I'm guessing I'll need a C compiler to install it, which apparently I don't have... ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Arkiletian Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 5:18 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow > Also run iptraf to see network load. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > From robark at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 00:55:25 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:55:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <185c92187f11.187f11185c92@shaw.ca> References: <185c92187f11.187f11185c92@shaw.ca> Message-ID: On 10/25/05, NONE NONE wrote: > bash: iptraf: command not found > > Is this something that comes with k12? If not, I'm guessing I'll need a C compiler to install it, which apparently I don't have... I'm running 4.2.1EL. You must run it as root but if it's not installed try #yum install iptraf -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 26 01:05:48 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:05:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <185c92187f11.187f11185c92@shaw.ca> References: <185c92187f11.187f11185c92@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1130288748.12986.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 19:34, NONE NONE wrote: > bash: iptraf: command not found > > Is this something that comes with k12? If not, I'm guessing I'll need a C compiler to install it, which apparently I don't have... Yes: yum install iptraf Then start it at the console and do the 'detailed' interface statistics on the interface the clients use. Also, try: ethtool eth0 to make sure you are running in full duplex, and check the switch if it has anything to check, to make sure it matches. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gKw-X at shaw.ca Wed Oct 26 01:05:17 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:05:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow Message-ID: <184dce189484.189484184dce@shaw.ca> [root at server ~]# yum install iptraf Setting up Install Process Setting up Repos Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: k12ltsp What does this message mean? I tried looking on google and found a reference to /etc/resolv.conf which contains one line: search ltsp I am not sure what my version of K12 is, but I downloaded it in August. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Arkiletian Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 5:55 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow > On 10/25/05, NONE NONE wrote: > > bash: iptraf: command not found > > > > Is this something that comes with k12? If not, I'm guessing I'll > need a C compiler to install it, which apparently I don't have... > > I'm running 4.2.1EL. You must run it as root but if it's not > installed try > > #yum install iptraf > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > From gKw-X at shaw.ca Wed Oct 26 01:10:48 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:10:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow Message-ID: <18b4e318abac.18abac18b4e3@shaw.ca> The switch doesn't have anything to check as far as I can see. But here is the server output. Apparently it's running at half? How do I change it to full? Settings for eth0: Supported ports: [ TP ] Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full 1000baseT/Full Supports auto-negotiation: Yes Advertised link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full 1000baseT/Full Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes Speed: 100Mb/s Duplex: Half Port: Twisted Pair PHYAD: 0 Transceiver: internal Auto-negotiation: on Supports Wake-on: umbg Wake-on: g Current message level: 0x00000007 (7) Link detected: yes ----- Original Message ----- From: Les Mikesell Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 6:05 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow > On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 19:34, NONE NONE wrote: > > bash: iptraf: command not found > > > > Is this something that comes with k12? If not, I'm guessing I'll > need a C compiler to install it, which apparently I don't have... > > Yes: > yum install iptraf > > Then start it at the console and do the 'detailed' interface > statistics on the interface the clients use. > > Also, try: > ethtool eth0 > to make sure you are running in full duplex, and check > the switch if it has anything to check, to make sure it > matches. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 26 01:14:14 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:14:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <184dce189484.189484184dce@shaw.ca> References: <184dce189484.189484184dce@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1130289254.12986.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 20:05, NONE NONE wrote: > [root at server ~]# yum install iptraf > Setting up Install Process > Setting up Repos > Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: k12ltsp > > What does this message mean? It means it can't access the site. Does the box have internet access, and can you reach: http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.4 I've heard of problems with yum and transparent proxies? If you have one you may have to set the proxy explicitly which you can do on the command line like: http_proxy=http://my.proxy.address:port yum install iptraf By the way, running 'yum update' once in a while is a good idea too... -- Les Mikesell From nbs at sonic.net Wed Oct 26 01:16:50 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:16:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxtype/tuxpaint/etc unuseable In-Reply-To: <17c2cd1814bb.1814bb17c2cd@shaw.ca> References: <17c2cd1814bb.1814bb17c2cd@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <20051026011650.GA7444@sonic.net> On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 04:34:42PM -0700, NONE NONE wrote: > If I run tuxpaint locally (on the server), and play around drawing a square, it takes 60%+ cpu, however it seemes to never go over 1.5% or so when it's running on clients. So how can I remove this cap? Stopping the verynice thing didn't seem to do it. > > If I can get this fixed, get a printer working, and get floppies/cdroms working, then this school will stick with linux, and it will very likely spread to other schools thereafter... If I can't, it will likely die here... So any help would be very good! Can you please try the pre-release build of Tux Paint 0.9.15? It might be a little more usable, with regards to the "XOR" rubber-band effect that gets displayed when you go to use shapes. ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/tuxpaint-0.9.15-0.k12ltsp.4.4.1.i386.rpm Or, 0.9.14 with the "nooutlines" option should work. (Try "tuxpaint --nooutlines", or put "nooutlines=yes" in "~/.tuxpaintrc" or "/etc/tuxpaint.cfg") Does either help? -bill! From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Oct 26 01:20:51 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <184dce189484.189484184dce@shaw.ca> References: <184dce189484.189484184dce@shaw.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, NONE NONE wrote: > [root at server ~]# yum install iptraf > Setting up Install Process > Setting up Repos > Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: k12ltsp > > What does this message mean? It may mean you are having internet or DNS troubles. It could also be that your need to configure yum to use your proxy server, if you have one. The first thing to do is to try it again. If it still errors out, point your web browser to the repositories: http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/ If your web browser makes it there, yum should as well. If your web browser doesn't make it there, at least it'll give you a different error that may be helpful pinning down the breakage. BTW, have you ever successfully used yum on this server before? -Eric From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 26 01:22:55 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:22:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <18b4e318abac.18abac18b4e3@shaw.ca> References: <18b4e318abac.18abac18b4e3@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1130289775.12986.19.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 20:10, NONE NONE wrote: > The switch doesn't have anything to check as far as I can see. But here is the server output. Apparently it's running at half? How do I change it to full? It is supposed to auto-negotiate with the other end and a mismatch is a killer for speed. You should be able to force the server side with: ethtool -s eth0 duplex full but if the switch is really set to half it will make things even worse. Do you have another switch you can use for a test or even a crossover cable that you could use to connect a single client? I think this may be your real problem and you could prove it that way since you said that now even a single client is slow. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gKw-X at shaw.ca Wed Oct 26 01:24:14 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:24:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow Message-ID: <188e0918b4e8.18b4e8188e09@shaw.ca> Thank you that did it. Alright iptraf says 7000-8000kbits/s from the server and 120-140kbits/s from the client. Quite a bit but not so much that my 100megs network should slow to a crawl? ----- Original Message ----- From: Les Mikesell Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 6:14 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow > On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 20:05, NONE NONE wrote: > > [root at server ~]# yum install iptraf > > Setting up Install Process > > Setting up Repos > > Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: k12ltsp > > > > What does this message mean? > > It means it can't access the site. Does the box have > internet access, and can you reach: > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-4.4 > > I've heard of problems with yum and transparent proxies? > If you have one you may have to set the proxy explicitly > which you can do on the command line like: > http_proxy=http://my.proxy.address:port yum install iptraf > > By the way, running 'yum update' once in a while is > a good idea too... > > > -- > Les Mikesell > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > From gKw-X at shaw.ca Wed Oct 26 01:38:28 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:38:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow Message-ID: <189d2518b919.18b919189d25@shaw.ca> I tried a different switch and it allowed me to change to Full Duplex. Didn't seem to make any difference though, sadly. With one client running, it's just as slow. ----- Original Message ----- From: Les Mikesell Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 6:22 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow > On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 20:10, NONE NONE wrote: > > The switch doesn't have anything to check as far as I can see. > But here is the server output. Apparently it's running at half? How > do I change it to full? > > It is supposed to auto-negotiate with the other end and a mismatch > is a killer for speed. > > You should be able to force the server side with: > ethtool -s eth0 duplex full > but if the switch is really set to half it will make things > even worse. Do you have another switch you can use for a test > or even a crossover cable that you could use to connect a single > client? I think this may be your real problem and you could > prove it that way since you said that now even a single client > is slow. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 26 01:47:41 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:47:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <189d2518b919.18b919189d25@shaw.ca> References: <189d2518b919.18b919189d25@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1130291261.12986.31.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 20:38, NONE NONE wrote: > I tried a different switch and it allowed me to change to Full Duplex. Didn't seem to make any difference though, sadly. With one client running, it's just as slow. Do you have a PC with more RAM available to see if the client is really the problem? You can use an etherboot floppy in something that normally runs windows. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gKw-X at shaw.ca Wed Oct 26 01:56:55 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:56:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow Message-ID: <18a4f918a059.18a05918a4f9@shaw.ca> Tried it on a brand new machine with 512megs ram and a very fast cpu - same thing :( ----- Original Message ----- From: Les Mikesell Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 6:47 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow > On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 20:38, NONE NONE wrote: > > I tried a different switch and it allowed me to change to Full > Duplex. Didn't seem to make any difference though, sadly. With one > client running, it's just as slow. > > Do you have a PC with more RAM available to see if the client > is really the problem? You can use an etherboot floppy in > something that normally runs windows. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > From gKw-X at shaw.ca Wed Oct 26 01:59:07 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:59:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Printer Installation Message-ID: <18b26b18edbf.18edbf18b26b@shaw.ca> I think I got past the gcc problem, now it does a whole bunch of stuff then I get this: configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check What does that mean? Here is more of the log: checking for dlfcn.h... yes checking for g++... no checking for c++... no checking for gpp... no checking for aCC... no checking for CC... no checking for cxx... no checking for cc++... no checking for cl... no checking for FCC... no checking for KCC... no checking for RCC... no checking for xlC_r... no checking for xlC... no checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... no checking whether g++ accepts -g... no checking dependency style of g++... none checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check See `config.log' for more details. [root at server hplip-0.9.6]# make make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Oct 26 02:14:02 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Printer Installation In-Reply-To: <184d8f18301b.18301b184d8f@shaw.ca> References: <184d8f18301b.18301b184d8f@shaw.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, NONE NONE wrote: > I'm attempting to install a printer on the server. It is an hp LaserJet 3200. It's plugged into the parralel port, and has been tested on other machines and works fine. I went to localhost:631 and added it as "Device URI: parallel:/dev/lp0", but it will not print the test page, it starts the job but nothing happens. Do I need to install a driver? I tried to follow the instructions here: > > http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/install.php#download_install > > but it gives me an error that it can't find a C compiler on the path when I get to the "make" command. > > Do I need that hp software? If so, how do I get gcc installed? If not, what else could be wrong? > According to the LinuxPrinting.org web page for this printer, http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_3200 all you should need to do is use the Generic Postscript driver in CUPS. -Eric From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 26 02:30:30 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:30:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <18a4f918a059.18a05918a4f9@shaw.ca> References: <18a4f918a059.18a05918a4f9@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1130293830.12986.37.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 20:56, NONE NONE wrote: > Tried it on a brand new machine with 512megs ram and a very fast cpu - same thing :( This isn't making sense. A machine like that as the only active client should be nearly as fast as X on the console. Is the old switch still in the picture? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 03:02:05 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:02:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <1130293830.12986.37.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <18a4f918a059.18a05918a4f9@shaw.ca> <1130293830.12986.37.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On 10/25/05, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 20:56, NONE NONE wrote: > > Tried it on a brand new machine with 512megs ram and a very fast cpu - > same thing :( > > This isn't making sense. A machine like that as the only active > client should be nearly as fast as X on the console. It's time to get a developer to try tuxpaint2 and see if the slowness can be replicated locally somehow (say, by running it via remote X). tuxpaint2 seems to be abandonware - the site looks like it hasn't had any attention in two years... http://tuxpaint.sf.net From k12osn at perusion.com Wed Oct 26 04:02:01 2005 From: k12osn at perusion.com (Mike Heins) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:02:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <435E20D7.2020807@frederic.k12.wi.us> References: <435E20D7.2020807@frederic.k12.wi.us> Message-ID: <20051026040201.GA21716@bill.heins.net> Quoting Justin Paulsen (paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us): > top - 10:03:37 up 3 days, 21:42, 2 users, load average: 0.51, 0.41, 0.47 > Tasks: 229 total, 1 running, 228 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie > Cpu(s): 11.6% us, 6.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 79.4% id, 0.0% wa, 2.7% hi, 0.0% si > Mem: 4091532k total, 1381188k used, 2710344k free, 134052k buffers > Swap: 2031608k total, 0k used, 2031608k free, 756124k cached > > PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND > 6724 elem_14 11 -4 19480 5984 2336 S 1.7 0.1 0:09.72 tuxtype2 > 6688 elem_03 11 -4 19392 5908 2336 S 1.3 0.1 0:13.09 tuxtype2 > 6706 elem_09 11 -4 19428 5884 2332 S 1.3 0.1 0:12.02 tuxtype2 > 6712 elem_10 11 -4 19428 5884 2332 S 1.3 0.1 0:11.27 tuxtype2 > 6718 elem_12 11 -4 19416 5980 2336 S 1.3 0.1 0:09.99 tuxtype2 > 6679 elem_01 11 -4 19396 5980 2332 S 1.0 0.1 0:15.27 tuxtype2 > 6682 elem_02 11 -4 19396 5984 2336 S 1.0 0.1 0:14.67 tuxtype2 > 6691 elem_04 11 -4 19476 5984 2336 S 1.0 0.1 0:13.40 tuxtype2 > 6694 elem_05 11 -4 19412 5976 2336 S 1.0 0.1 0:13.05 tuxtype2 > 6697 elem_06 11 -4 19412 5980 2340 S 1.0 0.1 0:12.55 tuxtype2 > 6700 elem_07 11 -4 19476 5984 2336 S 1.0 0.1 0:12.29 tuxtype2 > 6703 elem_08 11 -4 19476 5984 2336 S 1.0 0.1 0:10.87 tuxtype2 > 6715 elem_11 11 -4 19476 5984 2336 S 1.0 0.1 0:09.96 tuxtype2 > 6721 elem_13 11 -4 19412 5968 2336 S 1.0 0.1 0:09.16 tuxtype2 > 6730 elem_15 11 -4 19428 5896 2336 S 0.7 0.1 0:07.48 tuxtype2 > 5708 elem_07 15 0 20292 9116 5856 S 0.3 0.2 0:00.48 xfce4-panel > 6794 root 16 0 2248 1112 800 R 0.3 0.0 0:00.07 top > > > [root at Ayumi ~]# ping -c 100 192.168.0.254 > PING 192.168.0.254 (192.168.0.254) 56(84) bytes of data. > 64 bytes from 192.168.0.254: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.039 ms > 64 bytes from 192.168.0.254: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.033 ms > 64 bytes from 192.168.0.254: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.036 ms > 64 bytes from 192.168.0.254: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.054 ms > 64 bytes from 192.168.0.254: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.035 ms > 64 bytes from 192.168.0.254: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=0.033 ms > 64 bytes from 192.168.0.254: icmp_seq=6 ttl=64 time=0.035 ms > 64 bytes from 192.168.0.254: icmp_seq=7 ttl=64 time=0.036 ms > 64 bytes from 192.168.0.254: icmp_seq=8 ttl=64 time=0.034 ms > 64 bytes from 192.168.0.254: icmp_seq=9 ttl=64 time=0.035 ms > 64 bytes from 192.168.0.254: icmp_seq=10 ttl=64 time=0.033 ms > You need to run vmstat so that we can see your I/O traffic. Nothing you show indicates a problem, so my guess is that you have an I/O hotspot. This is the type of thing I see with poor RAID subsystems when there are too many queued writes on a system. -- Mike Heins Perusion -- Expert Interchange Consulting http://www.perusion.com/ phone +1.765.647.1295 tollfree 800-949-1889 I am a great believer in luck, and I find that the harder I work the more luck I have. -- Thomas Jefferson From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Oct 26 04:09:05 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:09:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: References: <18a4f918a059.18a05918a4f9@shaw.ca> <1130293830.12986.37.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Dan Kegel wrote: > tuxpaint2 seems to be abandonware - the site > looks like it hasn't had any attention in two years... > http://tuxpaint.sf.net http://tuxpaint.sf.net may have been abandoned, but tuxpaint has not ;-) http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/ -Eric From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 04:23:49 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:53:49 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: Put your K12LTSP installation on the map In-Reply-To: <20051025190132.GB31008@sonic.net> References: <435D46DD.3000405@maltzen.net> <774593a20510242119j32e9e657v94b257d037b246ce@mail.gmail.com> <435E4D72.8030107@maltzen.net> <7E75E115-2D64-44AF-8831-93B12192DF0F@netday.org.za> <20051025190132.GB31008@sonic.net> Message-ID: <774593a20510252123g5c72e590ra669b6abec41fd20@mail.gmail.com> On 10/26/05, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 05:56:26PM +0200, Edward Holcroft wrote: > > >>The map is US centric. I wanted to add installations in India but.... > > >>- > > ... and Africa. So much for the information society. > > It's just a Google map. Simply zoom out, and you see the rest of the world! > (I think that's even been pointed out here a coupla times. ;^) ) > > -bill! Bill I can see India and an zoom into location for New Delhi but when I try to add it says invalid city!! Where do I add city? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Oct 26 04:49:54 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <435E20D7.2020807@frederic.k12.wi.us> References: <435E20D7.2020807@frederic.k12.wi.us> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Justin Paulsen wrote: > [root at Ayumi ~]# ping -c 100 192.168.0.254 > PING 192.168.0.254 (192.168.0.254) 56(84) bytes of data. > 64 bytes from 192.168.0.254: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.039 ms 192.168.0.254 is the default IP address of the server. Odds are pretty good that you pinged the server's interface from the server itself. If that is the case, it won't tell us much about the state of your network. To quote Dan's orginal suggestion: > And let's look at the network: > use ping to examine the health of the network connecting the server to > the workstations, e.g. run "ping -c100 -A client1" on the server, > and post the statistics it prints at the end. It'll look like this: > > 100 packets transmitted, 100 received, 0% packet loss, time 19899ms > rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.493/0.512/0.553/0.015 ms, pipe 2, ipg/ewma > 201.002/0.513 ms Note that Dan says you need to ping one of the terminals from the server, which is different than pinging the server from one of the terminals. And also be sure to follow Dan's recommendation to post the LAST lines of the ping output, not the first. This should work for you... * login to a thin client * open a terminal shell (right click on the background and select "Open Terminal") * at the terminal shell, type this command: (EXACTLY LIKE IT IS BELOW) ping -c200 -A $LTSP_CLIENT (NOTE: this command only works from a terminal booted from a K12LTSP server, if you get an "Usage: ping [-LRUbdfnqrvVaA]..." message let us know) * start up TuxType and practice your typing for a couple of minutes, then exit TuxType. * post the last couple of lines of output that ping displayed in the terminal shell. -Eric From aimssda at cscoms.com Wed Oct 26 07:33:31 2005 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (K12LTSP) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:33:31 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP, everything's slowing down... In-Reply-To: <20051026001513.7B0E073CC3@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051026001513.7B0E073CC3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <435F314B.6010904@cscoms.com> Hi, I restarted my server this morning, after the restart i can't get a display on the server anymore. Another thing, the clients boot so slow...really slow. i don't know if it's because of an update or what. When logged in, i checked the system monitor. The memory usage is low but the CPU usage is 100% with only 5 users online. The server is DELL PoweredgeSC1425 with Xeon PRocessor, 2GB Ram, 2 SCSI drives. Please help. From gumprechtm at msad3.org Wed Oct 26 10:54:58 2005 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:54:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP, everything's slowing down... In-Reply-To: <435F314B.6010904@cscoms.com> References: <20051026001513.7B0E073CC3@hormel.redhat.com> <435F314B.6010904@cscoms.com> Message-ID: <435F6082.6010908@msad3.org> What's in your logs for messages? Any failures? (/var/log/messages) What was updated? Mark K12LTSP wrote: > Hi, > > I restarted my server this morning, after the restart i can't get a > display on the server anymore. Another thing, the clients boot so > slow...really slow. i don't know if it's because of an update or what. > > When logged in, i checked the system monitor. The memory usage is low > but the CPU usage is 100% with only 5 users online. > > The server is DELL PoweredgeSC1425 with Xeon PRocessor, 2GB Ram, 2 > SCSI drives. > > Please help. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From ahodson at elp.rr.com Wed Oct 26 12:16:26 2005 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:16:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Network specialist foes: rice bet Message-ID: Hi folks I am willing to bet half the rice in China that if you are not a network specialist in your district, at one time or another you have been approached by a network specialist about your K12LTSP server setup. In my own case, I've received an "ultimatum" not to install servers with network services running, that "affect the whole network" The obvious are DNS, sendmail and named - I almost always remember to "chkconfig --level 2345 (service) off" to keep them off my back, but their latest level of aggressiveness concerns me - WHAT other services should I be considering as possible "not network necessary" so I can anticipate their requests? A list of these "Avoid Network Questions" services might be helpful to the group. As usual, thanks a zillion for your knowledge, insight and willingness to share and help. Alan Hodson El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org -=o=- From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Wed Oct 26 12:25:22 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (James P Schwankl) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:25:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Defending education usage for k12ltsp Message-ID: <20051026122522.bb16ba05@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> Wow! 16 and 32 MB and she was suggesting that they go back to Win98?!? LOL I'd like to see her put Win98 on a PI with 16 MB of RAM. I bet it wouldn't have taken a week before people would be beating down her office door demanding that the lab be "fixed" back to the way it was before. Even if you don't get sound working, (and here I'd recommend getting sound cards that are known to work "out of the box" with LTSP rather than play the 'tweak it til it works' game - Terrell mentioned a few), and she does dictate some kind of move to win98 on those boxes, you'll probably be back to linux once people realize what they had. Peace, Jimmy +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Always proofread carefully to see if you any words out. ****This Message was sent through the Chatham County Schools E-Mail Server**** All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 26 12:41:45 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:41:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network specialist foes: rice bet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1130330505.12986.64.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 07:16, Alan A Hodson wrote: > Hi folks > > I am willing to bet half the rice in China that if you are not a > network specialist in your district, at one time or another you have > been approached by a network specialist about your K12LTSP server > setup. In my own case, I've received an "ultimatum" not to install > servers with network services running, that "affect the whole network" > > The obvious are DNS, sendmail and named - I almost always remember to > "chkconfig --level 2345 (service) off" to keep them off my back, but > their latest level of aggressiveness concerns me - WHAT other > services should I be considering as possible "not network necessary" > so I can anticipate their requests? > > A list of these "Avoid Network Questions" services might be helpful > to the group. The only thing that will break the rest of the network is if you have a DHCP server running on the interface that connects to the main network. This can happen accidentally when you first set a 2-nic server up since you won't know which will be eth0 and which is eth1, and on major upgrades that change the kernel (like between 2.4 and 2.6) the order can change. The stock setup only activates DHCP on one NIC, so I think the recommended procedure is to disconnect the main network until you have successfully booted a client - which proves DCHP is running in the right place. Other than that, it is more a matter of policy and you should be aware of existing DNS servers, proxies, smtp relays, etc. and the policies regarding their use. In some cases you may just need a special configuration instead of removing the service. You probably shouldn't attempt a single NIC setup with everything on the main network without close coordination with the network administrator. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Oct 26 13:04:09 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:04:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP, everything's slowing down... In-Reply-To: <435F314B.6010904@cscoms.com> References: <20051026001513.7B0E073CC3@hormel.redhat.com> <,> <435F314B.6010904@cscoms.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 at 3:33 AM +0000 wrote: > i don't know if it's because of an update or what. Trust me folks....if right now...everything is working great....stop updating. Pick your updates very carefully...if you do auto-updates...the chance of you getting an update that "could" break your system is much greater. If your system simply sits on your LAN (behind a firewall)...then updates are not nearly as important as they might be when it sits on the Internet. I've learned over the last few years...."let sleeping dogs lie"...for now. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Oct 26 13:06:50 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:06:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: References: <18a4f918a059.18a05918a4f9@shaw.ca> < > <1130293830.12986.37.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 11:02 PM +0000 wrote: >tuxpaint2 seems to be abandonware - the site >looks like it hasn't had any attention in two years... >http://tuxpaint.sf.net Bill Kendrick...abandon Tuxpaint? Never! Find it here.....http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/ Bill ROCKS! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From edward at netday.org.za Wed Oct 26 13:00:47 2005 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:00:47 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: Put your K12LTSP installation on the map In-Reply-To: <20051025190132.GB31008@sonic.net> References: <435D46DD.3000405@maltzen.net> <774593a20510242119j32e9e657v94b257d037b246ce@mail.gmail.com> <435E4D72.8030107@maltzen.net> <7E75E115-2D64-44AF-8831-93B12192DF0F@netday.org.za> <20051025190132.GB31008@sonic.net> Message-ID: On 25 Oct 2005, at 9:01 PM, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 05:56:26PM +0200, Edward Holcroft wrote: > >>>> The map is US centric. I wanted to add installations in India >>>> but.... >>>> - >>>> >> ... and Africa. So much for the information society. >> > > It's just a Google map. Simply zoom out, and you see the rest of > the world! > (I think that's even been pointed out here a coupla times. ;^) ) That part I figured out, but when trying to add a South African city, which I select from the pull-down list, it returns "undefined" in the dialogue box. Anyone know how i can get around that? ed -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 26 13:09:45 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:09:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP, everything's slowing down... In-Reply-To: References: <20051026001513.7B0E073CC3@hormel.redhat.com> <,> <435F314B.6010904@cscoms.com> Message-ID: <1130332185.12986.80.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 08:04, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, October 26, 2005 at 3:33 AM +0000 wrote: > > i don't know if it's because of an update or what. > > Trust me folks....if right now...everything is working great....stop > updating. Pick your updates very carefully...if you do auto-updates...the > chance of you getting an update that "could" break your system is much > greater. If your system simply sits on your LAN (behind a > firewall)...then updates are not nearly as important as they might be when > it sits on the Internet. I've learned over the last few years...."let > sleeping dogs lie"...for now. Testing is a good thing, but most system updates within a distribution version are in the form of very specific bugfixes backported in a way that tries not to break anything that already works. If this is the first reboot after an update that installed a new kernel you may have hit a rare exception. However, the kernel does not replace the old one. You have a few seconds during a reboot to select a non-default kernel. I'd try going to the previous one first to see if that fixes your problem, but also look around at the network to see if anything else has changed and check the dmesg output and system logs if the problem remains. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gkw-x at shaw.ca Wed Oct 26 13:12:18 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:12:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <1130293830.12986.37.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <18a4f918a059.18a05918a4f9@shaw.ca> <1130293830.12986.37.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <435F80B2.5070108@shaw.ca> > This isn't making sense. A machine like that as the only active > client should be nearly as fast as X on the console. Is the > old switch still in the picture? You're telling me. I don't know a whole lot about linux or ltsp. Is it possible that resources are being limited for each client? This is the only thing I can think of. Why would it only be taking 1.5% cpu for the client when it takes 50-60% cpu running locally on the server? From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 26 13:21:58 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:21:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: <435F80B2.5070108@shaw.ca> References: <18a4f918a059.18a05918a4f9@shaw.ca> <1130293830.12986.37.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <435F80B2.5070108@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1130332917.12986.94.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 08:12, gKw-X wrote: > > This isn't making sense. A machine like that as the only active > > client should be nearly as fast as X on the console. Is the > > old switch still in the picture? > > You're telling me. I don't know a whole lot about linux or ltsp. > > Is it possible that resources are being limited for each client? This is > the only thing I can think of. As far as the system is concerned it doesn't matter if you are on the console or remote. There could be limits on non-root users, but if you log in as the same person, you should have the same limits in both places. > Why would it only be taking 1.5% cpu for > the client when it takes 50-60% cpu running locally on the server? I still think it is the network until proven otherwise. If you can find a crossover cable, try connecting the fast client directly - or use a different switch with nothing else but the server and one client. My next guess would be the server NIC or the slot it occupies in the server. Also, did you look at the error counts from 'ifconfig'? You should not have any tx/rx errors, but you also need to know if you have any on the switch side. With a crossover cable you'd be able to see both ends. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Wed Oct 26 13:24:03 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:24:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] *Home Directory..Again..Please Help* Message-ID: <200510261336.j9QDaVD3028824@mx3.redhat.com> All, I was recently able to get my K12LTSP server to authenticate against a W2K3 ADS via winbind. Since then, I had sent an email asking for help with getting home directories created when a user logs on or a script that will grab AD user information and create home folders in a designated location on the K12LTSP server. I received several responses but none that seemed to work. I am emailing again to ask if anyone has successfully found a way to get home directories automatically made for a user when they log in for the first time on K12LTSP or if there is a script that exist that will grab user info from the ADS and create user folders automatically. I know many of us use K12LTSP (obviously because we are on the listserv :-)) and surely some users on here authenticate against a Windows ADS as well and have their home folders set up properly. I am asking (and kinda pleading! :-)) that someone give me some insight and point me in the right direction so that I can get this resolved. Also, when/if you do reply please treat me like a newb so that I can ensure I do it right! :-) Thanks in advance to you all. -Paul Paul VanGundy Technology Coordinator Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fhkms at adelphia.net Wed Oct 26 13:36:26 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:36:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Network specialist foes: rice bet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1130333787.12849.3.camel@ws231.ltsp> I set up a very small K12 lab in the main building of our community center (3 workstations and a server). Soon after that, various folks around the building were having problems with the internet. I did not realize that it was my server that was causing the problem; an outside outfit came in to work on the business office server (also running DHCP)and made the discovery. We could not figure out how to solve this problem, so.... who loses??? My K12 lab, thats who! I had to migrate back to windows. Bahhh Humbugggg! Its nice to see that this problem exists elsewhere. Now, how can I solve it? On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 06:16 -0600, Alan A Hodson wrote: > Hi folks > > I am willing to bet half the rice in China that if you are not a > network specialist in your district, at one time or another you have > been approached by a network specialist about your K12LTSP server > setup. In my own case, I've received an "ultimatum" not to install > servers with network services running, that "affect the whole network" > > The obvious are DNS, sendmail and named - I almost always remember to > "chkconfig --level 2345 (service) off" to keep them off my back, but > their latest level of aggressiveness concerns me - WHAT other > services should I be considering as possible "not network necessary" > so I can anticipate their requests? > > A list of these "Avoid Network Questions" services might be helpful > to the group. > > As usual, thanks a zillion for your knowledge, insight and > willingness to share and help. > > Alan Hodson > El Paso ISD, TX > http://links.episd.org > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Oct 26 13:54:25 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:54:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Next Server directive Message-ID: I used to have set up where DHCP running on one server would make thin clients boot from another and I think it was with a "Next Server" directive or something. Can anyone help with this? Thanks Doug Simpson From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Oct 26 14:03:05 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:03:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Network specialist foes: rice bet In-Reply-To: <1130333787.12849.3.camel@ws231.ltsp> References: <1130333787.12849.3.camel@ws231.ltsp> Message-ID: Make sure there are two NICs in the server, and make sure the thin clients are connected to a switch that is *only* connected to the one NIC on the server that it's DHCP is bound to. The other NIC in the server goes to the switch for the rest of the network, and it should get it's IP from the existing network's DHCP server. No more problems. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Wed, 26 Oct 2005, Will Hatch wrote: > I set up a very small K12 lab in the main building of our community > center (3 workstations and a server). Soon after that, various folks > around the building were having problems with the internet. I did not > realize that it was my server that was causing the problem; an outside > outfit came in to work on the business office server (also running > DHCP)and made the discovery. We could not figure out how to solve this > problem, so.... who loses??? My K12 lab, thats who! I had to migrate > back to windows. Bahhh Humbugggg! Its nice to see that this problem > exists elsewhere. Now, how can I solve it? > > > On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 06:16 -0600, Alan A Hodson wrote: > > Hi folks > > > > I am willing to bet half the rice in China that if you are not a > > network specialist in your district, at one time or another you have > > been approached by a network specialist about your K12LTSP server > > setup. In my own case, I've received an "ultimatum" not to install > > servers with network services running, that "affect the whole network" > > > > The obvious are DNS, sendmail and named - I almost always remember to > > "chkconfig --level 2345 (service) off" to keep them off my back, but > > their latest level of aggressiveness concerns me - WHAT other > > services should I be considering as possible "not network necessary" > > so I can anticipate their requests? > > > > A list of these "Avoid Network Questions" services might be helpful > > to the group. > > > > As usual, thanks a zillion for your knowledge, insight and > > willingness to share and help. > > > > Alan Hodson > > El Paso ISD, TX > > http://links.episd.org > > -=o=- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Wed Oct 26 15:29:53 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:29:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] A How-to book for LTSP for schools is available Message-ID: <435FA0F1.7080101@maltzen.net> While poking around the website of the Shuttleworth Foundation--the folks who sponsor Ubuntu and the TuxLabs project for providing K12LTSP-type labs to rural African schools--I came across the "tuXlabs Cookbook". It is literally a book that explains how LTSP works, how Open Source works, why it's better, how to install a TuxLab, etc. It seems written for people who may be new or unfamiliar with LTSP. I suspect they give it to the person at the school who will be responsible for the TuxLab. It has great illustrations, and the text is not overly technical. I haven't read every word of it (yet) but I'm REALLY impressed with it. It's available online in HTML, or as a PDF, and has a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial License, meaning it's free for copying and redistributing. It's 153 pages, which makes it quite complete. At that count, handing out a copy to each of your friends could get rather expensive. But if you want to hand something to the principal or superintendant that they can read offline, it's a great tool. You can find it at http://www.upfrontsystems.co.za/Members/jean/cookbook/ . The online HTML version is in the docbook folder. Petre From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 26 15:37:16 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:37:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network specialist foes: rice bet In-Reply-To: References: <1130333787.12849.3.camel@ws231.ltsp> Message-ID: <1130341036.3137.42.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 09:03, Doug Simpson wrote: > Make sure there are two NICs in the server, and make sure the thin clients > are connected to a switch that is *only* connected to the one NIC on the > server that it's DHCP is bound to. The other NIC in the server goes to the > switch for the rest of the network, and it should get it's IP from the > existing network's DHCP server. It should be that simple with the 2-NIC setup. One other thing to watch out for is accidentally plugging a wall jack to the main network into the client switch. It used to be that you needed a crossover cable for switch<->switch connections so it was hard to do this accidentally, but newer switches will autodetect the need for a crossover and let you use a normal cable. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Oct 26 16:06:09 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:06:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How do you handle the 'write' command In-Reply-To: <200510241341.22096.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> References: <200510241341.22096.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: <435FA971.9060602@paasda.org> chmod -x this has proven most effective for our needs here at PAA. --Huck John Hansknecht wrote: > Hi folks, > > My always quizzical students have discovered the 'write' command and are > sending messages. I can think of two methods to stop this, one is to change > the permissions on the commands in /usr/bin and the other is to add "mesg n" > to the login script.... the problem is I don't know which solution would be > better and, to be honest I don't know to which file I should add "mesg > n"? Any help would be appreciated. > > From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Wed Oct 26 16:20:48 2005 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:20:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Network specialist foes: rice bet In-Reply-To: <1130341036.3137.42.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1130333787.12849.3.camel@ws231.ltsp> <1130341036.3137.42.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <435FACE0.9070604@physics.isu.edu> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 09:03, Doug Simpson wrote: > >>Make sure there are two NICs in the server, and make sure the thin clients >>are connected to a switch that is *only* connected to the one NIC on the >>server that it's DHCP is bound to. The other NIC in the server goes to the >>switch for the rest of the network, and it should get it's IP from the >>existing network's DHCP server. > > > It should be that simple with the 2-NIC setup. One other thing to > watch out for is accidentally plugging a wall jack to the main > network into the client switch. It used to be that you needed > a crossover cable for switch<->switch connections so it was hard > to do this accidentally, but newer switches will autodetect the > need for a crossover and let you use a normal cable. > Also, be sure to clearly label the cables and also label the back of the computer next to the ethernet cards/ports. Color coding Ethernet cables helps, Come to think or it I might buy some red cable in various lengths just for the external interface on my installations, and some red stickers for the correct Ethernet port. In remote installations, I've seen labs taken apart for cleaning and the cables put back in the wrong slot with disastrous results and a long phone call or a trip to the remote site to sort it out. Ben From rfreidel at computergeex.com Wed Oct 26 16:51:01 2005 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:51:01 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Network specialist foes: rice bet Message-ID: <20051026.ZBH.93749200@mail.computergeex.com> Staples had sheets of "dots" red,blue & green, I use these on the firewalls I build, the techs can go install them without me being there and they know which for the lan, dmz, etc. It works great, should work on a two nic system as well. Ben Nickell (twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu) wrote: > > Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 09:03, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > >>Make sure there are two NICs in the server, and make sure the thin clients > >>are connected to a switch that is *only* connected to the one NIC on the > >>server that it's DHCP is bound to. The other NIC in the server goes to the > >>switch for the rest of the network, and it should get it's IP from the > >>existing network's DHCP server. > > > > > > It should be that simple with the 2-NIC setup. One other thing to > > watch out for is accidentally plugging a wall jack to the main > > network into the client switch. It used to be that you needed > > a crossover cable for switch<->switch connections so it was hard > > to do this accidentally, but newer switches will autodetect the > > need for a crossover and let you use a normal cable. > > > > Also, be sure to clearly label the cables and also label the back of the > computer next to the ethernet cards/ports. Color coding Ethernet cables > helps, Come to think or it I might buy some red cable in various lengths > just for the external interface on my installations, and some red > stickers for the correct Ethernet port. > > In remote installations, I've seen labs taken apart for cleaning and the > cables put back in the wrong slot with disastrous results and a long > phone call or a trip to the remote site to sort it out. > > Ben > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Ron Freidel Sys Admin Computer Geex, Inc. (406) 498-5192 From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Oct 26 17:33:35 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:33:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] making icewm only option Message-ID: <20051026103335.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.ece759f6e7.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> What files do I need to edit to make Icewm the only login option for users?? Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Oct 26 17:37:59 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:37:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Next Server Message-ID: I have an existing DHCP server on one server and would like the thin clients to boot from another. I had this set up at one time and remember something about "next server" or something like that. Can anyone help? Thanks Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From robark at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 18:35:13 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:35:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ifconfig errors Message-ID: Anyone know what would cause these errors in RX eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:07:E9:3F:F5:6C inet addr:192.168.0.254 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::207:e9ff:fe3f:f56c/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:34225847 errors:840978 dropped:840978 overruns:523 frame:0 TX packets:48842325 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:1566565931 (1.4 GiB) TX bytes:1865622785 (1.7 GiB) Base address:0x3040 Memory:feac0000-feae0000 To test the network I ran ping -c100 -A clientname for all clients when the lab was emtpy. I got no packet losses at all for any clients and the total time was the same approx. 20 sec for all. In addition I was running iptraf in the background and i got no "ip checksum errors". Should I try it again when the lab is full of students or does anyone have another suggestion? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 18:35:46 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:35:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Is yum update safe on 4.2.1EL? Message-ID: I noticed that Centos 4.2 update comes with a new kernel that has an updated Intel(R) PRO/1000 Ethernet adapter (e1000) which are the ones I'm using. http://mirror.centos.org/centos/4/docs/html/release-notes/as-zseries/RELEASE-NOTES-U2-en.html But I'm afraid to do a yum update as some people have been reporting broken systems. Has anyone had success with yum update with 4.2.1EL? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From nbs at sonic.net Wed Oct 26 18:38:08 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:38:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: References: <18a4f918a059.18a05918a4f9@shaw.ca> <1130293830.12986.37.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20051026183808.GH3147@sonic.net> On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 08:02:05PM -0700, Dan Kegel wrote: > On 10/25/05, Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 20:56, NONE NONE wrote: > > > Tried it on a brand new machine with 512megs ram and a very fast cpu - > > same thing :( > > > > This isn't making sense. A machine like that as the only active > > client should be nearly as fast as X on the console. > > It's time to get a developer to try tuxpaint2 and see if > the slowness can be replicated locally somehow > (say, by running it via remote X). > > tuxpaint2 seems to be abandonware - the site > looks like it hasn't had any attention in two years... > http://tuxpaint.sf.net Hi - I think you're confusing Tux Typing 2 with Tux Paint. :^) Tux Paint's website is here. Mailing Lists, Bugs, CVS and files are hosted over at SourceForge. (See http://www.sf.net/projects/tuxpaint/ ) The latest Tux Paint is 0.9.14, with 0.9.15 coming in a few weeks, I hope. Now... that doesn't mean I shouldn't put some redirect up at that tuxpaint.sf.net URL. I had no idea people would think to go there. ;^) Tux Typing 2 is here: http://tuxtype.sourceforge.net/ -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From petre at maltzen.net Wed Oct 26 18:42:04 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:42:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Is yum update safe on 4.2.1EL? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <435FCDFC.1050708@maltzen.net> If you have a spare disk, and some time the server can be unavailable, you might pull the existing disk(s) from the server, put in the spare, install 4.2.1EL, do the yum update, and see if anything breaks. Ah, the beauty of no licensing hassles. Petre Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I noticed that Centos 4.2 update comes with a new kernel that has an > updated Intel(R) PRO/1000 Ethernet adapter (e1000) which are the ones > I'm using. > > http://mirror.centos.org/centos/4/docs/html/release-notes/as-zseries/RELEASE-NOTES-U2-en.html > > But I'm afraid to do a yum update as some people have been reporting > broken systems. Has anyone had success with yum update with 4.2.1EL? > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From nbs at sonic.net Wed Oct 26 18:42:57 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:42:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: tuxpaint and others running slow In-Reply-To: References: <18a4f918a059.18a05918a4f9@shaw.ca> <1130293830.12986.37.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20051026184257.GI3147@sonic.net> On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 09:09:05PM -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Dan Kegel wrote: > > >tuxpaint2 seems to be abandonware - the site > >looks like it hasn't had any attention in two years... > >http://tuxpaint.sf.net > > http://tuxpaint.sf.net may have been abandoned, but tuxpaint has not ;-) There, now there's at least a splash screen that links to the /real/ Tux Paint website. Sorry ;) -bill! From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 26 18:54:18 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:54:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Is yum update safe on 4.2.1EL? In-Reply-To: <435FCDFC.1050708@maltzen.net> References: <435FCDFC.1050708@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1130352858.3137.114.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 13:42, Petre Scheie wrote: > If you have a spare disk, and some time the server can be unavailable, you might pull > the existing disk(s) from the server, put in the spare, install 4.2.1EL, do the yum > update, and see if anything breaks. Ah, the beauty of no licensing hassles. It doesn't have to be that drastic because a kernel update doesn't overwrite the old one, it just sets the newest as the default in your grub.conf. Just do the update and reboot at a time when you can test and if it appears to be worse than before, edit /etc/grub.conf to make the previous kernel the default (the entries are numbered from 0 at the top) and reboot again. If updates ever add so many kernels that you are concerned about space in your boot partition you can rpm -e the ones that you are sure you won't need again. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Oct 26 19:00:35 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:00:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: First K12LTSP Mapping--Now, Open Source Software in Schools! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <435FD253.8070409@paasda.org> Anyway to put exact address? The two I added show us on the complete wrong side of the freeway and about 3 miles off as well :( --Huck Steve Hargadon wrote: > On 10/25/05, *Steve Hargadon* > wrote: > > OK, so I think there is some genuine excitement about having a map > that people can use to see K12LTSP / thin-client Linux > installations. If you haven't seen it, it's at > www.frappr.com/k12ltsp *or* at > www.k12ltsp.com (which just has a little > tagline for my company at the top). > > > > So, www.k12ltsp.com isn't propagated yet... > But it will be by tomorrow, I am sure. Also, the Open Source map will > be accessible through www.k12opensource.com . > > > -- > Steve Hargadon > 916-899-1400 direct > www.k12computers.com > www.technologyrescue.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Oct 26 19:19:13 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:19:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Next Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <435FD6B1.3070105@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Doug Simpson wrote: > I have an existing DHCP server on one server and would like the thin > clients to boot from another. > > I had this set up at one time and remember something about "next server" > or something like that. > > Can anyone help? > > Thanks > It is "next-server" From the dhcpd.conf man page: The next-server statement next-server server-name; The next-server statement is used to specify the host address of the server from which the initial boot file (specified in the filename statement) is to be loaded. Server-name should be a numeric IP address or a domain name. If no next-server parame- ter applies to a given client, the DHCP server's IP address is used. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed Oct 26 19:19:36 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:19:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] icewm-menu-gnome2-1.2.20-1.k12ltsp.4.4.0.i386 on 64 bit Message-ID: Does anyone have icewm-menu-gnome2-1.2.20-1.k12ltsp.4.4.0.i386 installed on a 64 bit xenon system?? The rpm is installed, but my gnome menus are empty. Ideas?? Thanks, Jim From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Oct 26 19:24:27 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:24:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ifconfig errors Message-ID: <20051026122427.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.4497cfc72a.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Try dropping the NIC speed back to 10Mbs/half dup and see if you still get errors. If not, then I would suspect cable problems or switch port. Just a guess without more info. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] ifconfig errors > From: Robert Arkiletian > Date: Wed, October 26, 2005 1:35 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > Anyone know what would cause these errors in RX > > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:07:E9:3F:F5:6C > inet addr:192.168.0.254 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 > inet6 addr: fe80::207:e9ff:fe3f:f56c/64 Scope:Link > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:34225847 errors:840978 dropped:840978 overruns:523 frame:0 > TX packets:48842325 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:1566565931 (1.4 GiB) TX bytes:1865622785 (1.7 GiB) > Base address:0x3040 Memory:feac0000-feae0000 > > To test the network I ran > > ping -c100 -A clientname > > for all clients when the lab was emtpy. I got no packet losses at all > for any clients and the total time was the same approx. 20 sec for > all. In addition I was running iptraf in the background and i got no > "ip checksum errors". Should I try it again when the lab is full of > students or does anyone have another suggestion? > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From staffords at glenburn.net Wed Oct 26 19:38:19 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:38:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] mozilla and composer In-Reply-To: <20051026184257.GI3147@sonic.net> References: <18a4f918a059.18a05918a4f9@shaw.ca> < > <1130293830.12986.37.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > < > <20051026184257.GI3147@sonic.net> Message-ID: We were running the older version, I think 4.0 K12 LTSP last year. The teachers got used to creating web pages using the composer part of mozilla. With 4.2.1 and Firefox, that option is not there. Suggestions 1) is Mozilla (composer) still there, if so what is path? 2) Should I get them to use NVU? How is that project going? 3) Other ideas? thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From vceder at canterburyschool.org Wed Oct 26 19:43:56 2005 From: vceder at canterburyschool.org (Vern Ceder) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:43:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] mozilla and composer In-Reply-To: References: <18a4f918a059.18a05918a4f9@shaw.ca> < > <1130293830.12986.37.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > < > <20051026184257.GI3147@sonic.net> Message-ID: <435FDC7C.1080605@canterburyschool.org> Firefox doesn't include composer, but NVU is the descendant of it and so far our students and teachers have been happy with it. Vern Shane Stafford wrote: > We were running the older version, I think 4.0 K12 LTSP last year. The > teachers got used to creating web pages using the composer part of > mozilla. With 4.2.1 and Firefox, that option is not there. Suggestions > > 1) is Mozilla (composer) still there, if so what is path? > 2) Should I get them to use NVU? How is that project going? > 3) Other ideas? > > thanks > Shane > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > S & B Consulting > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 26 19:50:00 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:50:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] mozilla and composer In-Reply-To: References: <18a4f918a059.18a05918a4f9@shaw.ca> < > <1130293830.12986.37.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > < > <20051026184257.GI3147@sonic.net> Message-ID: <1130356200.3137.141.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 14:38, Shane Stafford wrote: > We were running the older version, I think 4.0 K12 LTSP last year. The > teachers got used to creating web pages using the composer part of > mozilla. With 4.2.1 and Firefox, that option is not there. Suggestions > > 1) is Mozilla (composer) still there, if so what is path? > 2) Should I get them to use NVU? How is that project going? > 3) Other ideas? I don't do much web work myself, but the new/html document in Openoffice writer should work. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Oct 26 21:37:59 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:37:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] mozilla and composer In-Reply-To: References: <18a4f918a059.18a05918a4f9@shaw.ca> < > <1130293830.12986.37.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > < > <20051026184257.GI3147@sonic.net> Message-ID: <435FF737.7030700@mesd.k12.or.us> Shane Stafford wrote: > We were running the older version, I think 4.0 K12 LTSP last year. The > teachers got used to creating web pages using the composer part of > mozilla. With 4.2.1 and Firefox, that option is not there. Suggestions > > 1) is Mozilla (composer) still there, if so what is path? yum install mozilla mozilla -edit -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed Oct 26 22:29:15 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:29:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] icewm-menu-gnome2-1.2.20-1.k12ltsp.4.4.0.i386 on 64 bit Message-ID: Got it. I was missing a 32 bit gnome-desktop rpm From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 22:40:16 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:40:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Defending education usage for k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <20051026122522.bb16ba05@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> References: <20051026122522.bb16ba05@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <436005D0.5060401@gmail.com> James P Schwankl wrote: >Wow! 16 and 32 MB and she was suggesting that they go back to Win98?!? LOL > >I'd like to see her put Win98 on a PI with 16 MB of RAM. I bet it wouldn't have taken a week before people would be beating down her office door demanding that the lab be "fixed" back to the way it was before. Even if you don't get sound working, (and here I'd recommend getting sound cards that are known to work "out of the box" with LTSP rather than play the 'tweak it til it works' game - Terrell mentioned a few), and she does dictate some kind of move to win98 on those boxes, you'll probably be back to linux once people realize what they had. > > If I were a crueler sort, I'd almost suggest /letting/ her install Win98 on 4-5 as a test. That is, if you are really after her job. -- Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 26 22:45:39 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:45:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ifconfig errors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1130366738.3137.186.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 13:35, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Anyone know what would cause these errors in RX > > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:07:E9:3F:F5:6C > inet addr:192.168.0.254 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 > inet6 addr: fe80::207:e9ff:fe3f:f56c/64 Scope:Link > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:34225847 errors:840978 dropped:840978 overruns:523 frame:0 > TX packets:48842325 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:1566565931 (1.4 GiB) TX bytes:1865622785 (1.7 GiB) > Base address:0x3040 Memory:feac0000-feae0000 Usually it's a duplex mismatch with the connected switch or a bad or overly long cable somewhere, but it could also be a bad NIC somewhere. I don't think you'll see those packets with iptraf, tcpdump or the like because they are being discarded at the card/driver level. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From jbuch7 at eq.edu.au Wed Oct 26 23:41:45 2005 From: jbuch7 at eq.edu.au (Joel Buchan) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:41:45 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] *Home Directory..Again..Please Help* In-Reply-To: <200510261336.j9QDaVD3028824@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200510261336.j9QDaVD3028824@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <43601439.2080000@eq.edu.au> The link to that script that I sent you should work. It won't create a folder at log on but will create a folder for every user of the domain and set the appropriate permissions. When you enter the command wbinfo -u do you get a list of users on the W2k3 ADS server? Have you entered a winbind separator value in your samba config file? Let me know the above info and I will try and walk you through it. From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Wed Oct 26 23:46:04 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:46:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] *Home Directory..Again..Please Help* In-Reply-To: <43601439.2080000@eq.edu.au> Message-ID: <200510270023.j9R0N6ld015347@mx1.redhat.com> Joel, Yes and Yes. When I do wbinfo -u I do get a list of my domain users. And yes, I did add a line in my smb.conf file that said winbind separator = +. Thanks for the help. -Paul Paul VanGundy Technology Coordinator Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Joel Buchan Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 6:42 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] *Home Directory..Again..Please Help* The link to that script that I sent you should work. It won't create a folder at log on but will create a folder for every user of the domain and set the appropriate permissions. When you enter the command wbinfo -u do you get a list of users on the W2k3 ADS server? Have you entered a winbind separator value in your samba config file? Let me know the above info and I will try and walk you through it. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From aimssda at cscoms.com Thu Oct 27 01:25:53 2005 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (K12LTSP) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:25:53 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 20, Issue 33 In-Reply-To: <20051026124207.81636733A6@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051026124207.81636733A6@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <43602CA1.10209@cscoms.com> Hi, Thanks for replying. This problem is solved, i didn't check the logs yet. This is what i did, i restarted the machine and when it booted it got out of frequency range from the screen but the clients were still getting login screen so maybe it will be ok for a while to use that since i'm using it for my class. (no time to fix). But I notice the slowness in the client machines. I tried to edit the xorg.conf so that i can get a screen from the server so that i can trouble shoot from there. changed hsync and rsync. Restarted the server . then i became normal again. At first i thought, the crossover pro 5 made it slow. Before it was fixed, the CPU usage is 100%. I can't explain the technical part of that. Anyway, thanks for the quick response. >Message: 26 >Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:33:31 +0700 >From: K12LTSP >Subject: [K12OSN] HELP, everything's slowing down... >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Message-ID: <435F314B.6010904 at cscoms.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hi, > >I restarted my server this morning, after the restart i can't get a >display on the server anymore. Another thing, the clients boot so >slow...really slow. i don't know if it's because of an update or what. > >When logged in, i checked the system monitor. The memory usage is low >but the CPU usage is 100% with only 5 users online. > >The server is DELL PoweredgeSC1425 with Xeon PRocessor, 2GB Ram, 2 SCSI >drives. > >Please help. > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 27 >Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:54:58 -0400 >From: Mark Gumprecht >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] HELP, everything's slowing down... >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >Message-ID: <435F6082.6010908 at msad3.org> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >What's in your logs for messages? Any failures? (/var/log/messages) What >was updated? >Mark > >K12LTSP wrote: > > > >>> Hi, >>> >>> I restarted my server this morning, after the restart i can't get a >>> display on the server anymore. Another thing, the clients boot so >>> slow...really slow. i don't know if it's because of an update or what. >>> >>> When logged in, i checked the system monitor. The memory usage is low >>> but the CPU usage is 100% with only 5 users online. >>> >>> The server is DELL PoweredgeSC1425 with Xeon PRocessor, 2GB Ram, 2 >>> SCSI drives. >>> >>> Please help. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msad3.org > From robark at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 02:43:16 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:43:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] making icewm only option In-Reply-To: <20051026103335.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.ece759f6e7.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20051026103335.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.ece759f6e7.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: On 10/26/05, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > What files do I need to edit to make Icewm the only login option for > users?? Read this thread https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-August/msg00645.html -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From william at fragakis.com Thu Oct 27 03:38:44 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:38:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] squidguard/dansguardian issue Message-ID: <58a1c4bdcfcbac2e65f7915293ac01d3@fragakis.com> Hi all, We are running into a difficulty with a website which hosts practice tests for our state reference tests. If we access the site from our squidguard/dansguardian box, it displays fine. But anything behind it, both Linux and Windows fall into a death loop trying to load the site. The headers of the web site have the following tag which I think is making the browsers keep hitting the cache before the page fully loads: I haven't been able to test everything behind the firewall with squidguard/dansguardian turned off since I haven't been at the school the last couple of days after student hours. I have googled endlessly on the subject and, supposedly, squid ignores header info. Any thoughts or has anyone encountered something similar? The website is the following: https://regiona.georgiaoas.org/servlet/a2l Thanks, William Fragakis Morris Brandon Elementary, Atlanta, GA, USA. From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 04:33:37 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:03:37 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] making icewm only option In-Reply-To: References: <20051026103335.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.ece759f6e7.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <774593a20510262133i4f0a9374r635b5e49e49777cd@mail.gmail.com> On 10/27/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 10/26/05, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > What files do I need to edit to make Icewm the only login option for > > users?? > > Read this thread > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-August/msg00645.html > Only I did not delete but simply commented out the "offending" ;-0 lines. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 13:18:10 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:18:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: First K12LTSP Mapping--Now, Open Source Software in Schools! In-Reply-To: <435FD253.8070409@paasda.org> References: <435FD253.8070409@paasda.org> Message-ID: On 10/26/05, Huck wrote: > > Anyway to put exact address? > The two I added show us on the complete wrong side of the freeway and > about 3 miles off as well :( > > --Huck Not yet, I guess. I would imagine that this will get refined as people use it more. Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Thu Oct 27 13:59:40 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:59:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: Put your K12LTSP installation on the map In-Reply-To: References: <435D46DD.3000405@maltzen.net> <774593a20510242119j32e9e657v94b257d037b246ce@mail.gmail.com> <435E4D72.8030107@maltzen.net> <7E75E115-2D64-44AF-8831-93B12192DF0F@netday.org.za> <20051025190132.GB31008@sonic.net> Message-ID: <4360DD4C.8010909@maltzen.net> Edward Holcroft wrote: > > On 25 Oct 2005, at 9:01 PM, Bill Kendrick wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 05:56:26PM +0200, Edward Holcroft wrote: >> >>>>> The map is US centric. I wanted to add installations in India but.... >>>>> - >>>>> >>> ... and Africa. So much for the information society. >>> >> >> It's just a Google map. Simply zoom out, and you see the rest of the >> world! >> (I think that's even been pointed out here a coupla times. ;^) ) > > > That part I figured out, but when trying to add a South African city, > which I select from the pull-down list, it returns "undefined" in the > dialogue box. Anyone know how i can get around that? > > ed > Hey Ed, I just added 'NetDay' to the list, by picking Johannesburg from the pull-down list. J'burg is probably hundreds of miles from your various installations, but perhaps you could list the actual city name in the 'Shoutout' section for each site. At this point, I would argue that the more important part is the showing of how many places, different places, are using K12LTSP, than whether the exact geography is accurate or not. Assuming that works for you, someone should probably remove the NetDay site I put on the map; it was just a test. Sudev, you might want to do the same for India; I saw some Indian cities listed in the drop-down list, though I didn't try any. Better to be on the map, if slightly incorrectly, than not on the map at all. Petre From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 14:59:38 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:59:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... Message-ID: We have been working with Win4Lin and are have a Win4Lin terminal server running--not perfectly yet, but close. We are thinking of selling a Win4Lin server that can just be dropped into an LTSP/K12LTSP network and provide access to Windows programs where needed, by setting up another session for the workstation. I'm interested in the feedback of the group--would this be helpful, or do people want to do this on their own. Because there is both Win4Lin licensing, Microsoft licensing, along with the installation and configuring, we are thinking this might be a good thing to "package." Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Thu Oct 27 15:21:10 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:21:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4360F066.2040704@maltzen.net> I think it would be a good idea, as having more choices is always better. How would it compare, price-wise, performance, hardware requirements, etc., with using a Windows Terminal Server? Petre Steve Hargadon wrote: > We have been working with Win4Lin and are have a Win4Lin terminal server > running--not perfectly yet, but close. We are thinking of selling a Win4Lin > server that can just be dropped into an LTSP/K12LTSP network and provide > access to Windows programs where needed, by setting up another session for > the workstation. > > I'm interested in the feedback of the group--would this be helpful, or do > people want to do this on their own. Because there is both Win4Lin > licensing, Microsoft licensing, along with the installation and configuring, > we are thinking this might be a good thing to "package." > > Steve > > -- > Steve Hargadon > 916-899-1400 direct > www.k12computers.com > www.technologyrescue.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 15:31:30 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:31:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: <4360F066.2040704@maltzen.net> References: <4360F066.2040704@maltzen.net> Message-ID: That's what we are trying to test now. We want to see what the load is on the server. We also are trying to get the sound working right (we think is related the the distro we are running on now), and have to figure out what the costs are. We *think* it's going to be substially cheaper than running a Windows Server with Terminal Services, but we have to go through all the numbers: hardware costs, licensing costs, performance.... Steve On 10/27/05, Petre Scheie wrote: > > I think it would be a good idea, as having more choices is always better. > How would it > compare, price-wise, performance, hardware requirements, etc., with using > a Windows > Terminal Server? > > Petre > > Steve Hargadon wrote: > > We have been working with Win4Lin and are have a Win4Lin terminal server > > running--not perfectly yet, but close. We are thinking of selling a > Win4Lin > > server that can just be dropped into an LTSP/K12LTSP network and provide > > access to Windows programs where needed, by setting up another session > for > > the workstation. > > > > I'm interested in the feedback of the group--would this be helpful, or > do > > people want to do this on their own. Because there is both Win4Lin > > licensing, Microsoft licensing, along with the installation and > configuring, > > we are thinking this might be a good thing to "package." > > > > Steve > > > > -- > > Steve Hargadon > > 916-899-1400 direct > > www.k12computers.com < > http://www.k12computers.com> > > www.technologyrescue.com < > http://www.technologyrescue.com> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Thu Oct 27 15:38:34 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:38:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1130427514.21366.33.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 09:59, Steve Hargadon wrote: > I'm interested in the feedback of the group--would this be helpful, or > do people want to do this on their own. Because there is both Win4Lin > licensing, Microsoft licensing, along with the installation and > configuring, we are thinking this might be a good thing to "package." I'm not even a potential customer for this, but another interesting package/license bundle would be to build a VMware image containing windows2003 server, an assortment of the programs that you still have to run under windows, and some number of terminal services client licenses. I'm not sure if it would even be legal to sell such a thing as a product, but it probably could be done by acting as a contractor to create it for the customer. The advantage of this would be that you could pretend that you had a windows2003 server without the problems of installing and managing one which would be a very good thing if you are trying to phase it out anyway. If you have plenty of CPU, you could run it on your k12ltsp server and if not, any similar machine would work. From rdesktop or any other network point of view it would be impossible to tell that you didn't really have a separate machine. If you have viruses or other corruption, you could reinstall everything just by copying back the image file, and you could move the whole thing to a very different machine just as easily. There is even a free VMware runtime now so that eliminates most of the extra cost you would expect. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Thu Oct 27 15:42:28 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:42:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: References: <4360F066.2040704@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4360F564.1000805@maltzen.net> If you can get sound working, and the price isn't prohibitive, I think you'll have a winner, because I don't think WTS supports sound--does anyone know otherwise? Steve Hargadon wrote: > That's what we are trying to test now. We want to see what the load is on > the server. We also are trying to get the sound working right (we think is > related the the distro we are running on now), and have to figure out what > the costs are. > > We *think* it's going to be substially cheaper than running a Windows Server > with Terminal Services, but we have to go through all the numbers: hardware > costs, licensing costs, performance.... > > Steve > > On 10/27/05, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>I think it would be a good idea, as having more choices is always better. >>How would it >>compare, price-wise, performance, hardware requirements, etc., with using >>a Windows >>Terminal Server? >> >>Petre >> >>Steve Hargadon wrote: >> >>>We have been working with Win4Lin and are have a Win4Lin terminal server >>>running--not perfectly yet, but close. We are thinking of selling a >> >>Win4Lin >> >>>server that can just be dropped into an LTSP/K12LTSP network and provide >>>access to Windows programs where needed, by setting up another session >> >>for >> >>>the workstation. >>> >>>I'm interested in the feedback of the group--would this be helpful, or >> >>do >> >>>people want to do this on their own. Because there is both Win4Lin >>>licensing, Microsoft licensing, along with the installation and >> >>configuring, >> >>>we are thinking this might be a good thing to "package." >>> >>>Steve >>> >>>-- >>>Steve Hargadon >>>916-899-1400 direct >>>www.k12computers.com < >> >>http://www.k12computers.com> >> >>>www.technologyrescue.com < >> >>http://www.technologyrescue.com> >> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > > > -- > Steve Hargadon > 916-899-1400 direct > www.k12computers.com > www.technologyrescue.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org Thu Oct 27 15:49:58 2005 From: mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org (Mark Goodridge) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:49:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting the default homepage on client browsers Message-ID: <4360F726.7060803@chelseaeagles.org> I'm trying not to flood the list with a lot of really basic questions, but I'm new here and the on-line documentation I've found so far doesn't get into all the nooks and crannies I want to explore So I'm limiting myself to one really basic question per day. And here's today's question. Just got my first K12LTSP lab connected to the Internet (no big deal - a five foot patch cord was all it took). Now I want to configure the server so that all the client browsers start with a default home page that I select. Any suggestions, please. -- Mark Goodridge The Computer Guy Chelsea Elementary School From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 15:59:44 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:59:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: <4360F564.1000805@maltzen.net> References: <4360F066.2040704@maltzen.net> <4360F564.1000805@maltzen.net> Message-ID: I'm pretty sure WTS does support sound. RDP5, right? That's made me think, though. I am using a server with WTS on it, and I'm not sure if I have tried to pipe the sound through one of our LTSP installs... Maybe I'll try that today. I'm pretty confident that the hardware and licesing requirements for WTS become cost-prohibitive pretty quickly. Again, we need to find out. Steve On 10/27/05, Petre Scheie wrote: > > If you can get sound working, and the price isn't prohibitive, I think > you'll have a > winner, because I don't think WTS supports sound--does anyone know > otherwise? > > Steve Hargadon wrote: > > That's what we are trying to test now. We want to see what the load is > on > > the server. We also are trying to get the sound working right (we think > is > > related the the distro we are running on now), and have to figure out > what > > the costs are. > > > > We *think* it's going to be substially cheaper than running a Windows > Server > > with Terminal Services, but we have to go through all the numbers: > hardware > > costs, licensing costs, performance.... > > > > Steve > > > > On 10/27/05, Petre Scheie wrote: > > > >>I think it would be a good idea, as having more choices is always > better. > >>How would it > >>compare, price-wise, performance, hardware requirements, etc., with > using > >>a Windows > >>Terminal Server? > >> > >>Petre > >> > >>Steve Hargadon wrote: > >> > >>>We have been working with Win4Lin and are have a Win4Lin terminal > server > >>>running--not perfectly yet, but close. We are thinking of selling a > >> > >>Win4Lin > >> > >>>server that can just be dropped into an LTSP/K12LTSP network and > provide > >>>access to Windows programs where needed, by setting up another session > >> > >>for > >> > >>>the workstation. > >>> > >>>I'm interested in the feedback of the group--would this be helpful, or > >> > >>do > >> > >>>people want to do this on their own. Because there is both Win4Lin > >>>licensing, Microsoft licensing, along with the installation and > >> > >>configuring, > >> > >>>we are thinking this might be a good thing to "package." > >>> > >>>Steve > >>> > >>>-- > >>>Steve Hargadon > >>>916-899-1400 direct > >>>www.k12computers.com < > http://www.k12computers.com> < > >> > >>http://www.k12computers.com> > >> > >>>www.technologyrescue.com < > http://www.technologyrescue.com> < > >> > >>http://www.technologyrescue.com> > >> > >>> > > >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Steve Hargadon > > 916-899-1400 direct > > www.k12computers.com < > http://www.k12computers.com> > > www.technologyrescue.com < > http://www.technologyrescue.com> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Thu Oct 27 16:10:21 2005 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (Larry McPherson) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:10:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <236rb3rgdfbi288.271020051217@mail> The price appears prohibitive to me. See: http://www.win4lin.com/content/view/59/94/ At $125/seat - I will look at other solutions. Product: Win4Lin Terminal Server Target User: Transactional Users, Users that would benefit from managed desktop Price: $125/ seat (greater than 25 seats inquire at sales at win4lin.com) Larry _____ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hargadon Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:00 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... We have been working with Win4Lin and are have a Win4Lin terminal server running--not perfectly yet, but close. We are thinking of selling a Win4Lin server that can just be dropped into an LTSP/K12LTSP network and provide access to Windows programs where needed, by setting up another session for the workstation. I'm interested in the feedback of the group--would this be helpful, or do people want to do this on their own. Because there is both Win4Lin licensing, Microsoft licensing, along with the installation and configuring, we are thinking this might be a good thing to "package." Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 16:19:27 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:19:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: <236rb3rgdfbi288.271020051217@mail> References: <236rb3rgdfbi288.271020051217@mail> Message-ID: On 10/27/05, Larry McPherson wrote: > > The price appears prohibitive to me. See: > http://www.win4lin.com/content/view/59/94/ At $125/seat ? I will look at > other solutions. > > Product: *Win4Lin Terminal Server* > Target User: Transactional Users, Users that would benefit from managed > desktop > Price: $125/ seat (greater than 25 seats inquire at sales at win4lin.com) > Yes, that pricing is high. I think that they are interested in helping this community, and want to see how they respond on price if we present an package to them that we would be marketing. I also think that you look at a concurrent user scenario, so instead of needing a license for every machine, you only need enough licenses for those using Win4Lin at any given moment in time. For example, if the school needs to have Windows for a testing program, they may only have a limited number of students taking the test at any given moment in time... -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis.montes at cox.net Thu Oct 27 16:29:00 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (luis.montes at cox.net) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:29:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Cheap Windows Terminal Server Message-ID: <20051027162823.GDDF2059.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Ultra low cost windows terminal server idea I?ve been kicking around: While I'd like everyone to be free of MS only software, if it is necessary in a school to run a windows apps this might help. Ok first off, Windows 98 isn't the most secure OS in the world, but you can run it ok on 64 megs of ram with not a whole lot of CPU. Many of us have win98 licenses lying around that are obsolete. Vmware recently released a free VM player http://www.vmware.com/products/player/ this doesn't allow you to create the VM's but you can either buy a single copy of vmware workstation to do that($189) or try this guy's method: http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000153064739/ Now get windows 98 vm all patched up (windows update, spybot, etc.) and install ultaVnc server on it. You can then make clones of this vm through vm workstation or just copy the vm's folder, run the copy and make changes to things like computer name and IP settings. I've got a zipped up win98 vm with 1GB disk space that only weighs in at a couple hundred megs. The nice thing about keeping a zipped up copy is that when the win98 vm inevitably goes bad(spyware etc.) you can just delete it and unzip a new one in a few seconds. Now I'd definitely run this on a separate box from the LTSP server, but theoretically you should be able to run at least 10 win98 sessions on a box with a gig of ram. There are a few parts to iron out still: I need a good screen script to run vncviewer locally on the thin client. No reason to log into ltsp just to run vncviewer. The screen script should allow a user to choose between linux(starx) and windows(vncviewer). Ultravnc's server seems to work ok for me on a lan, but if someone knows of a faster way to do this I'm open for suggestions. Maybe something smart enough to kick off the vmware session if it?s not up? This solution obviously won't support sound, but I could see some work arounds if the vmware server is running linux. I'm no lawyer, but as far as I can tell this should all be legal. Luis From petre at maltzen.net Thu Oct 27 16:29:11 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:29:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting the default homepage on client browsers In-Reply-To: <4360F726.7060803@chelseaeagles.org> References: <4360F726.7060803@chelseaeagles.org> Message-ID: <43610057.5010509@maltzen.net> Oh, we like really basic questions; makes us all feel smart and useful. ;-) I haven't done it, but I think you need to modify the /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.6/chrome/en-US.jar file. It's a zipped file and it contains a bunch of directories and files, so copy it to /tmp, unzip it, and then modify browser-region/region.properties:homePageDefault=file:///usr/share/doc/HTML/index.html and browser-region/region.properties:browser.startup.homepage=http://www.google.com so they point to the page you want. Then zip the files and directories back into a new en-US.jar file, copy the original that's in /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.6/chrome to a safe place (in case something goes wrong here), put the new en-US.jar file into that directory, and try it out. I found info about doing the above at http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/f/topic-3-14-8700-0.html and http://www.litwiller.net/kiosk_browser/ was also helpful. Good luck. Petre Mark Goodridge wrote: > I'm trying not to flood the list with a lot of really basic questions, > but I'm new here and the on-line documentation I've found so far doesn't > get into all the nooks and crannies I want to explore > > So I'm limiting myself to one really basic question per day. > > And here's today's question. > > Just got my first K12LTSP lab connected to the Internet (no big deal - a > five foot patch cord was all it took). Now I want to configure the > server so that all the client browsers start with a default home page > that I select. > > Any suggestions, please. > From petre at maltzen.net Thu Oct 27 16:44:38 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:44:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting the default homepage on client browsers In-Reply-To: <43610057.5010509@maltzen.net> References: <4360F726.7060803@chelseaeagles.org> <43610057.5010509@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <436103F6.7020809@maltzen.net> I should probably clarify that browser-region/region.properties is a directory and file contained within /tmp/locale/ directory you'll get when you unzip en-US.jar (assuming you do so in /tmp). Petre Scheie wrote: > Oh, we like really basic questions; makes us all feel smart and useful. ;-) > > I haven't done it, but I think you need to modify the > /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.6/chrome/en-US.jar file. It's a zipped file and it > contains a bunch of directories and files, so copy it to /tmp, unzip it, > and then modify > > browser-region/region.properties:homePageDefault=file:///usr/share/doc/HTML/index.html > > and > browser-region/region.properties:browser.startup.homepage=http://www.google.com > > > so they point to the page you want. Then zip the files and directories > back into a new en-US.jar file, copy the original that's in > /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.6/chrome to a safe place (in case something goes > wrong here), put the new en-US.jar file into that directory, and try it > out. > > I found info about doing the above at > http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/f/topic-3-14-8700-0.html and > http://www.litwiller.net/kiosk_browser/ was also helpful. Good luck. > > Petre > > Mark Goodridge wrote: > >> I'm trying not to flood the list with a lot of really basic questions, >> but I'm new here and the on-line documentation I've found so far >> doesn't get into all the nooks and crannies I want to explore >> >> So I'm limiting myself to one really basic question per day. >> >> And here's today's question. >> >> Just got my first K12LTSP lab connected to the Internet (no big deal - >> a five foot patch cord was all it took). Now I want to configure the >> server so that all the client browsers start with a default home page >> that I select. >> >> Any suggestions, please. >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Thu Oct 27 17:00:37 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:00:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Cheap Windows Terminal Server In-Reply-To: <20051027162823.GDDF2059.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> References: <20051027162823.GDDF2059.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <1130432436.21366.68.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 11:29, luis.montes at cox.net wrote: > Vmware recently released a free VM player http://www.vmware.com/products/player/ this doesn't allow you to create the VM's but you can either buy a single copy of vmware workstation to do that($189) or try this guy's method: http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000153064739/ I've played with earlier demos of VMware workstation so I know what this can do, but haven't tried the player yet. It claims not to run more than one session. Does that mean you can only have one virtual machine per host or can you run more than one copy of the player, each with a single virtual machine? Running a single server that offers terminal services should eliminate this issue, but then it requires the more expensive win2003 server and client licenses. > I need a good screen script to run vncviewer locally on the thin client. No reason to log into ltsp just to run vncviewer. > The screen script should allow a user to choose between linux(starx) and windows(vncviewer). An interesting variation on more powerful clients would be to run the play locally - and you could have your choice of running the host session under windows or linux since you end up with access to both. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jwhite at codeweavers.com Thu Oct 27 17:07:14 2005 From: jwhite at codeweavers.com (Jeremy White) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:07:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: References: <236rb3rgdfbi288.271020051217@mail> Message-ID: <43610942.5020304@codeweavers.com> > For example, if the school needs to have Windows for a testing program, they > may only have a limited number of students taking the test at any given > moment in time... Sorry to inject a competing solution, but I did want to point out that CrossOver educational pricing starts at $49 per *concurrent* user and goes down from there with volume, and *no* Windows license is required. Further, many people get sound going with CrossOver just fine. And CrossOver adds a very modest performance burden; most folks just run it on their already existing LTSP server with no real hit (there are exceptions *cough* Shockwave *cough*). Of course, CrossOver only runs a limited number of applications, but that footprint is getting bigger all the time. Further, we are very happy to see if we can make any given application work. In fact, we're on a bit of a crusade to help the eduational sector. We've got a (admittedly small) special fund set aside to add elbow grease for educational customers. And, to top it off, we're a nice, friendly, flexible company that directs nearly all of our efforts into improving Open Source. Not to mention the Julienne fries... Cheers, Jeremy From luis.montes at cox.net Thu Oct 27 17:18:01 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (luis.montes at cox.net) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:18:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Cheap Windows Terminal Server Message-ID: <20051027171916.TIEH29216.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> I've run multiple sessions without any problems using the vmplayer and the vmworkstation. Definetly would be interesting running the player locally and using a VM from an nfs mount. I've run a vm from a samba share with no noticeble performance degredation. Luis > > From: Les Mikesell > Date: 2005/10/27 Thu PM 01:00:37 EDT > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Cheap Windows Terminal Server > > On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 11:29, luis.montes at cox.net wrote: > > Vmware recently released a free VM player http://www.vmware.com/products/player/ this doesn't allow you to create the VM's but you can either buy a single copy of vmware workstation to do that($189) or try this guy's method: http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000153064739/ > > I've played with earlier demos of VMware workstation so I know what this > can do, but haven't tried the player yet. It claims not to run more > than one session. Does that mean you can only have one virtual machine > per host or can you run more than one copy of the player, each with a > single virtual machine? Running a single server that offers terminal > services should eliminate this issue, but then it requires the more > expensive win2003 server and client licenses. > > > I need a good screen script to run vncviewer locally on the thin client. No reason to log into ltsp just to run vncviewer. > > The screen script should allow a user to choose between linux(starx) and windows(vncviewer). > > An interesting variation on more powerful clients would be to run the > play locally - and you could have your choice of running the host > session under windows or linux since you end up with access to both. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From stegil at hotmail.com Thu Oct 27 17:19:55 2005 From: stegil at hotmail.com (steve gilmore) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:19:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] need help with etherboot driver Message-ID: I'm tryingto help out a local school with connecting some old IBM laptops via a USB-2-Ethernet dongle. This is to connect about 6 laptops to a k12ltsp server. The chip is a rtl8150. Drivers for windows came with the units, but only the linuc source module came . So I've been trying to use etherboot to make a boot floppy with the rtl8150.c file. All I get is a wack of errors and uspecified variable calls with this driver. Anybody have any suggestions? Thanks SteveG From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 17:39:14 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:39:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: <43610942.5020304@codeweavers.com> References: <236rb3rgdfbi288.271020051217@mail> <43610942.5020304@codeweavers.com> Message-ID: On 10/27/05, Jeremy White wrote: > > Sorry to inject a competing solution, but I did want to > point out that CrossOver educational pricing > starts at $49 per *concurrent* user and goes down from > there with volume, and *no* Windows license is required. > I'm glad you responded! We've got three basic requirements we are seeing: 1. Using IE 2. Downloading a client-side Windows program 3. Running a Windows educational program How does IE do? I'm assuming specialized testing programs that have to be downloaded are not likely to be supported? What Windows educational programs have you got running? Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Thu Oct 27 18:19:53 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:19:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: <43610942.5020304@codeweavers.com> References: <236rb3rgdfbi288.271020051217@mail> <43610942.5020304@codeweavers.com> Message-ID: <43611A49.50900@maltzen.net> Yeah, but that carwash deal in the EULA is a killer. ;-) Jeremy White wrote: >>For example, if the school needs to have Windows for a testing program, they >>may only have a limited number of students taking the test at any given >>moment in time... > > > Sorry to inject a competing solution, but I did want to > point out that CrossOver educational pricing > starts at $49 per *concurrent* user and goes down from > there with volume, and *no* Windows license is required. > > Further, many people get sound going with CrossOver just fine. > > And CrossOver adds a very modest performance burden; > most folks just run it on their already existing > LTSP server with no real hit (there are exceptions > *cough* Shockwave *cough*). > > Of course, CrossOver only runs a limited number of > applications, but that footprint is getting bigger all > the time. Further, we are very happy to see if we can > make any given application work. In fact, we're on > a bit of a crusade to help the eduational sector. > We've got a (admittedly small) special fund set aside > to add elbow grease for educational customers. > > And, to top it off, we're a nice, friendly, flexible company > that directs nearly all of our efforts into improving > Open Source. Not to mention the Julienne fries... > > Cheers, > > Jeremy > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jwhite at codeweavers.com Thu Oct 27 18:33:13 2005 From: jwhite at codeweavers.com (Jeremy White) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:33:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: References: <236rb3rgdfbi288.271020051217@mail> <43610942.5020304@codeweavers.com> Message-ID: <43611D69.4050204@codeweavers.com> > We've got three basic requirements we are seeing: > > 1. Using IE > 2. Downloading a client-side Windows program > 3. Running a Windows educational program > > How does IE do? It works pretty well; the glitch is that it negates our no OS purchase advantage, because you need a legit license to use IE. > > I'm assuming specialized testing programs that have to be downloaded are not > likely to be supported? Well, not likely to be supported yet; we only need a bit of nudging to fix that. As to whether or not they work; that's probably more of a 50/50 proposition. > > What Windows educational programs have you got running? So far, not a heck of a lot. Some Jumpstart; Acclerated Reader is reported to work. We're hoping to rapidly change that, though. Cheers, Jeremy From nbs at sonic.net Thu Oct 27 21:03:12 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:03:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Cheap Windows Terminal Server In-Reply-To: <20051027162823.GDDF2059.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> References: <20051027162823.GDDF2059.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <20051027210312.GA9740@sonic.net> On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 12:29:00PM -0400, luis.montes at cox.net wrote: > I need a good screen script to run vncviewer locally on the thin > client. No reason to log into ltsp just to run vncviewer. The > screen script should allow a user to choose between linux(starx) and > windows(vncviewer). Not sure if it would help, but a friend of mine has an app called "VncSelector". (I made its logo ;^) ) http://vncselector.sourceforge.net/ Again, I don't /exactly/ understand what it is you need, or what VncSelector can do, but it sounds pretty close. :^) Good luck! -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From nbs at sonic.net Thu Oct 27 21:07:42 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:07:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: <43610942.5020304@codeweavers.com> References: <236rb3rgdfbi288.271020051217@mail> <43610942.5020304@codeweavers.com> Message-ID: <20051027210742.GB9740@sonic.net> On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 12:07:14PM -0500, Jeremy White wrote: > Of course, CrossOver only runs a limited number of > applications, but that footprint is getting bigger all > the time. Further, we are very happy to see if we can > make any given application work. In fact, we're on > a bit of a crusade to help the eduational sector. > We've got a (admittedly small) special fund set aside > to add elbow grease for educational customers. Hey Jeremy! Rock on! ;) -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From nbs at sonic.net Thu Oct 27 21:12:01 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:12:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: <43611D69.4050204@codeweavers.com> References: <236rb3rgdfbi288.271020051217@mail> <43610942.5020304@codeweavers.com> <43611D69.4050204@codeweavers.com> Message-ID: <20051027211201.GC9740@sonic.net> On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 01:33:13PM -0500, Jeremy White wrote: > > How does IE do? > > It works pretty well; the glitch is that it negates > our no OS purchase advantage, because you need a legit > license to use IE. Really? Since when? I thought IE was a free download, or something. I remember playing with CrossOver Office for a demonstration at LUGOD's booth at the Gov't Tech. Conf. in Sacramento a coupla years ago, and CrossOver actually _downloaded_ IE _for_ me. :^) Not that I would _ever_ personally want to run, or even recommend others use, that piece of crap. But... I guess MS, once again, changed some licensing scheme? (Remember those free fonts they _used_ to give away? Hehe...) > > What Windows educational programs have you got running? > > So far, not a heck of a lot. Some Jumpstart; > Acclerated Reader is reported to work. We're > hoping to rapidly change that, though. I keep dreaming that it'd be cool to either: (1) get a huge grant so I can hire a bunch of developers, testers, artists, etc., to start creating Open Source alternatives to a lot more of the popular educatinal apps... kick Sam's Tux4Kids up a notch (2) get hired by some company that wants to make either Open Source, or inexpensive commercial edu apps for Linux (or cross-platform) (3) get hired by some popular edu. software company to start porting their apps to Linux for them :) -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From jwhite at codeweavers.com Thu Oct 27 21:23:50 2005 From: jwhite at codeweavers.com (Jeremy White) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:23:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: <20051027211201.GC9740@sonic.net> References: <236rb3rgdfbi288.271020051217@mail> <43610942.5020304@codeweavers.com> <43611D69.4050204@codeweavers.com> <20051027211201.GC9740@sonic.net> Message-ID: <43614566.107@codeweavers.com> >>>What Windows educational programs have you got running? >> >>So far, not a heck of a lot. Some Jumpstart; >>Acclerated Reader is reported to work. We're >>hoping to rapidly change that, though. I read that again, and am scared that I've undersold Wine, and therefore CrossOver. I've only started focusing on educational programs and trying to learn what people need. I only have a handful that I have *personally* run successfully; I have an equally small handful that I've tried that didn't work. The vast great unwashed are in the category of 'untested', which means they've got about a 50/50 chance of working. My goal is to post this time next year and claim that's more like 90/10; the hope is that some folks on that list will help us get there. Cheers, Jeremy From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Oct 27 21:27:39 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:27:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] making icewm only option Message-ID: <20051027142739.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.418d25af51.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> My Xsession file does not exactly have the same lines that are in the example. I made the changes to the three files and the terminal just keeps rebooting back to the login screen and all of the desktop choices are still showing up in the menu. Can someone post the contents of their Xsession file that has been modified? I am running LTSP 4.4.1. Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] making icewm only option > From: Sudev Barar > Date: Wed, October 26, 2005 11:33 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > On 10/27/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > On 10/26/05, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > > What files do I need to edit to make Icewm the only login option for > > > users?? > > > > Read this thread > > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-August/msg00645.html > > > > Only I did not delete but simply commented out the "offending" ;-0 lines. > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Oct 27 21:35:35 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:35:35 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] making icewm only option Message-ID: <200510272343.j9RNh4e23705@downeast.net> which dm??? > My Xsession file does not exactly have the same lines that are in the > example. I made the changes to the three files and the terminal just > keeps rebooting back to the login screen and all of the desktop choices > are still showing up in the menu. Can someone post the contents of > their Xsession file that has been modified? I am running LTSP 4.4.1. > > > Thanks, > > Ron > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] making icewm only option > > From: Sudev Barar > > Date: Wed, October 26, 2005 11:33 pm > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > > > On 10/27/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > On 10/26/05, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > > > What files do I need to edit to make Icewm the only login option for > > > > users?? > > > > > > Read this thread > > > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-August/msg00645.html > > > > > > > Only I did not delete but simply commented out the "offending" ;-0 lines. > > -- > > Sudev Barar > > Learning Linux > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Oct 27 22:29:36 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:29:36 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] need help with etherboot driver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <436154D0.1060108@rogers.com> steve gilmore wrote: > I'm tryingto help out a local school with connecting some old IBM > laptops via a USB-2-Ethernet dongle. This is to connect about 6 laptops > to a k12ltsp server. The chip is a rtl8150. Drivers for windows came > with the units, but only the linuc source module came . > So I've been trying to use etherboot to make a boot floppy with the > rtl8150.c file. All I get is a wack of errors and uspecified variable > calls with this driver. Anybody have any suggestions? Unfortunately Etherboot does not currently support usb network "cards". Support sor some USB devices was added to Etherboot but no one has looked at adding network device support for usb yet. Tim From robark at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 22:51:01 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:51:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] making icewm only option In-Reply-To: <20051027142739.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.418d25af51.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20051027142739.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.418d25af51.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: On 10/27/05, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > My Xsession file does not exactly have the same lines that are in the > example. I made the changes to the three files and the terminal just > keeps rebooting back to the login screen and all of the desktop choices > are still showing up in the menu. Can someone post the contents of > their Xsession file that has been modified? I am running LTSP 4.4.1. I'm running 4.2.1EL. Here is my Xsession #!/bin/bash # Copyright (C) 1999 - 2004 Red Hat, Inc. All rights reserved. This # copyrighted material is made available to anyone wishing to use, modify, # copy, or redistribute it subject to the terms and conditions of the # GNU General Public License version 2. # # You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License # along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software # Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA. # redirect errors to a file in user's home directory if we can if [ -z "$GDMSESSION" ]; then # GDM redirect output itself in a smarter fashion errfile="$HOME/.xsession-errors" if cp /dev/null "$errfile" 2> /dev/null ; then chmod 600 "$errfile" exec > "$errfile" 2>&1 else errfile=$(mktemp -q /tmp/xses-$USER.XXXXXX) if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then exec > "$errfile" 2>&1 fi fi fi if ! printenv PATH | grep -q /usr/X11R6/bin then PATH="${PATH}":/usr/X11R6/bin fi # Mandatorily source xinitrc-common, which is common code shared between the # Xsession and xinitrc scripts which has been factored out to avoid duplication . /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc-common exec -l $SHELL -c "$DBUS_LAUNCH /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients" -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 22:54:35 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:54:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] making icewm only option In-Reply-To: <20051027142739.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.418d25af51.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20051027142739.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.418d25af51.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: On 10/27/05, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > and all of the desktop choices > are still showing up in the menu. They do for me also but even if students choose another wm other than icewm it does not matter. Icewm starts for any menu choice. Maybe not failsafe though. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Oct 27 23:03:04 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:03:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] making icewm only option Message-ID: <20051027160304.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.1b70b10f0f.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> I was wondering about that. Thanks. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] making icewm only option > From: Robert Arkiletian > Date: Thu, October 27, 2005 5:54 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > On 10/27/05, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > and all of the desktop choices > > are still showing up in the menu. > > They do for me also but even if students choose another wm other than > icewm it does not matter. Icewm starts for any menu choice. Maybe not > failsafe though. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Oct 27 23:04:14 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:04:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] making icewm only option Message-ID: <20051027160414.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.4e649fb86b.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> dm?? I am having one of those moments.... Please explain dm. thanks. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] making icewm only option > From: cliebow at downeast.net > Date: Thu, October 27, 2005 4:35 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > which dm??? > > > My Xsession file does not exactly have the same lines that are in the > > example. I made the changes to the three files and the terminal just > > keeps rebooting back to the login screen and all of the desktop choices > > are still showing up in the menu. Can someone post the contents of > > their Xsession file that has been modified? I am running LTSP 4.4.1. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > Conecuh County Schools > > (251) 578-7073 x26 > > (251) 230-0658 cell > > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] making icewm only option > > > From: Sudev Barar > > > Date: Wed, October 26, 2005 11:33 pm > > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > > > > > > On 10/27/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > > On 10/26/05, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > > > > What files do I need to edit to make Icewm the only login option for > > > > > users?? > > > > > > > > Read this thread > > > > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-August/msg00645.html > > > > > > > > > > Only I did not delete but simply commented out the "offending" ;-0 lines. > > > -- > > > Sudev Barar > > > Learning Linux > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Thu Oct 27 23:09:02 2005 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 00:09:02 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] making icewm only option References: <20051027142739.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.418d25af51.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <015e01c5db4b$6c2dd3e0$1400000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi List.. Have a Look @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/icewm.htm It is a Step-by-Step HowTo on how to set IceWM as the Default and also remove all others.. Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620501 Fax: 01322 620599 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Systems @ the LeighCTC, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Thu Oct 27 23:14:26 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:14:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] need help with etherboot driver In-Reply-To: <436154D0.1060108@rogers.com> References: <436154D0.1060108@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1130454866.21366.260.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 17:29, Timothy Legge wrote: > steve gilmore wrote: > > I'm tryingto help out a local school with connecting some old IBM > > laptops via a USB-2-Ethernet dongle. This is to connect about 6 laptops > > to a k12ltsp server. The chip is a rtl8150. Drivers for windows came > > with the units, but only the linuc source module came . > > So I've been trying to use etherboot to make a boot floppy with the > > rtl8150.c file. All I get is a wack of errors and uspecified variable > > calls with this driver. Anybody have any suggestions? > > Unfortunately Etherboot does not currently support usb network "cards". > Support sor some USB devices was added to Etherboot but no one has > looked at adding network device support for usb yet. You can probably do a 'proof-of-concept' boot on those with a knoppix CD if you enter 'knoppix 2' at the boot prompt, then 'X -query server' at the text mode prompt. I'm not sure if there are any pre-built isos that will come up like this automatically. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Oct 27 23:16:58 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:16:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] making icewm only option Message-ID: <20051027161658.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a88d4d5526.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Great article. Thanks. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] making icewm only option > From: "Gavin Spurgeon" > Date: Thu, October 27, 2005 6:09 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > Hi List.. > > Have a Look @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/icewm.htm > It is a Step-by-Step HowTo on how to set IceWM as the Default > and also remove all others.. > > Best Regards > > > Gavin Spurgeon > Assistant Systems Administrator > gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk > http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk > Tel: 01322 620501 > Fax: 01322 620599 > IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Systems @ the LeighCTC, > and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jbuch7 at eq.edu.au Thu Oct 27 23:53:09 2005 From: jbuch7 at eq.edu.au (Joel Buchan) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:53:09 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] *Home Directory..Again..Please Help* In-Reply-To: <200510270023.j9R0N6ld015347@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200510270023.j9R0N6ld015347@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <43616865.2070804@eq.edu.au> Paul, So when you run the script what happens? From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 00:53:31 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:23:31 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: Put your K12LTSP installation on the map In-Reply-To: <4360DD4C.8010909@maltzen.net> References: <435D46DD.3000405@maltzen.net> <774593a20510242119j32e9e657v94b257d037b246ce@mail.gmail.com> <435E4D72.8030107@maltzen.net> <7E75E115-2D64-44AF-8831-93B12192DF0F@netday.org.za> <20051025190132.GB31008@sonic.net> <4360DD4C.8010909@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <774593a20510271753m510c5ff0o75e1351dd43cd244@mail.gmail.com> On 10/27/05, Petre Scheie wrote: > Sudev, you might want to do the same for India; I saw some Indian cities listed in the > drop-down list, though I didn't try any. Better to be on the map, if slightly > incorrectly, than not on the map at all. Well five entries done and one is showing up. I am wondering why the other five entries on Delhi India do not show up in shoutout's?? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 01:01:17 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:01:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: Put your K12LTSP installation on the map In-Reply-To: <774593a20510271753m510c5ff0o75e1351dd43cd244@mail.gmail.com> References: <435D46DD.3000405@maltzen.net> <774593a20510242119j32e9e657v94b257d037b246ce@mail.gmail.com> <435E4D72.8030107@maltzen.net> <7E75E115-2D64-44AF-8831-93B12192DF0F@netday.org.za> <20051025190132.GB31008@sonic.net> <4360DD4C.8010909@maltzen.net> <774593a20510271753m510c5ff0o75e1351dd43cd244@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: They are all there, you just have to zoom in close enough to see them all behind each other. And google doesn't have detailed maps of India like they do of the US... But thanks for making sure you put them all in! The numbers help! On 10/27/05, Sudev Barar wrote: > > On 10/27/05, Petre Scheie wrote: > > Sudev, you might want to do the same for India; I saw some Indian cities > listed in the > > drop-down list, though I didn't try any. Better to be on the map, if > slightly > > incorrectly, than not on the map at all. > > Well five entries done and one is showing up. I am wondering why the > other five entries on Delhi India do not show up in shoutout's?? > > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 01:15:09 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:45:09 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: Put your K12LTSP installation on the map In-Reply-To: References: <435D46DD.3000405@maltzen.net> <774593a20510242119j32e9e657v94b257d037b246ce@mail.gmail.com> <435E4D72.8030107@maltzen.net> <7E75E115-2D64-44AF-8831-93B12192DF0F@netday.org.za> <20051025190132.GB31008@sonic.net> <4360DD4C.8010909@maltzen.net> <774593a20510271753m510c5ff0o75e1351dd43cd244@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <774593a20510271815j23262e1cw2e12b225ed2b8b67@mail.gmail.com> On 10/28/05, Steve Hargadon wrote: > They are all there, you just have to zoom in close enough to see them all > behind each other. And google doesn't have detailed maps of India like they > do of the US... But thanks for making sure you put them all in! The > numbers help! Thanks for that head up. Will ask others who have benefitted from K12/LTSP to put in their flags. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From petre at maltzen.net Fri Oct 28 02:49:27 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:49:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: Put your K12LTSP installation on the map In-Reply-To: <774593a20510271815j23262e1cw2e12b225ed2b8b67@mail.gmail.com> References: <435D46DD.3000405@maltzen.net> <774593a20510242119j32e9e657v94b257d037b246ce@mail.gmail.com> <435E4D72.8030107@maltzen.net> <7E75E115-2D64-44AF-8831-93B12192DF0F@netday.org.za> <20051025190132.GB31008@sonic.net> <4360DD4C.8010909@maltzen.net> <774593a20510271753m510c5ff0o75e1351dd43cd244@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20510271815j23262e1cw2e12b225ed2b8b67@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <436191B7.9020203@maltzen.net> Sudev Barar wrote: >On 10/28/05, Steve Hargadon wrote: > > >>They are all there, you just have to zoom in close enough to see them all >>behind each other. And google doesn't have detailed maps of India like they >>do of the US... But thanks for making sure you put them all in! The >>numbers help! >> >> > >Thanks for that head up. Will ask others who have benefitted from >K12/LTSP to put in their flags. >-- >Sudev Barar >Learning Linux > > > > I see that Bombay is also listed, and there may be other cities in India in the list, although probably only the larger ones. Petre From edward at netday.org.za Fri Oct 28 06:17:54 2005 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:17:54 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: Put your K12LTSP installation on the map In-Reply-To: <4360DD4C.8010909@maltzen.net> References: <435D46DD.3000405@maltzen.net> <774593a20510242119j32e9e657v94b257d037b246ce@mail.gmail.com> <435E4D72.8030107@maltzen.net> <7E75E115-2D64-44AF-8831-93B12192DF0F@netday.org.za> <20051025190132.GB31008@sonic.net> <4360DD4C.8010909@maltzen.net> Message-ID: > Hey Ed, > I just added 'NetDay' to the list, by picking Johannesburg from the > pull-down list. J'burg is probably hundreds of miles from your > various installations, but perhaps you could list the actual city > name in the 'Shoutout' section for each site. At this point, I > would argue that the more important part is the showing of how many > places, different places, are using K12LTSP, than whether the exact > geography is accurate or not. Assuming that works for you, someone > should probably remove the NetDay site I put on the map; it was > just a test. > > Sudev, you might want to do the same for India; I saw some Indian > cities listed in the drop-down list, though I didn't try any. > Better to be on the map, if slightly incorrectly, than not on the > map at all. > > Petre > Thanks! Still wonder why I get "undefined" when I choose Johannesburg. Maybe it's Safari on my Mac? I'll try it from Firefox and see if it works. We have deployed 48 K12LTSP computer labs all over South Africa and I want to get them all on the map, even if, as you note we don't indicate the precise site. cheers ed -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gumprechtm at msad3.org Fri Oct 28 10:56:49 2005 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:56:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: Put your K12LTSP installation on the map In-Reply-To: References: <435D46DD.3000405@maltzen.net> <774593a20510242119j32e9e657v94b257d037b246ce@mail.gmail.com> <435E4D72.8030107@maltzen.net> <7E75E115-2D64-44AF-8831-93B12192DF0F@netday.org.za> <20051025190132.GB31008@sonic.net> <4360DD4C.8010909@maltzen.net> <774593a20510271753m510c5ff0o75e1351dd43cd244@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <436203F1.4060301@msad3.org> Should we put all the schools as separate locations or just one for the district? What is the "Norm"? Mark Steve Hargadon wrote: > They are all there, you just have to zoom in close enough to see them > all behind each other. And google doesn't have detailed maps of India > like they do of the US... But thanks for making sure you put them all > in! The numbers help! > > On 10/27/05, *Sudev Barar* > wrote: > > On 10/27/05, Petre Scheie > wrote: > > Sudev, you might want to do the same for India; I saw some > Indian cities listed in the > > drop-down list, though I didn't try any. Better to be on the > map, if slightly > > incorrectly, than not on the map at all. > > Well five entries done and one is showing up. I am wondering why the > other five entries on Delhi India do not show up in shoutout's?? > > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > -- > Steve Hargadon > 916-899-1400 direct > www.k12computers.com > www.technologyrescue.com > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Oct 28 11:45:31 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:45:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] *Home Directory..Again..Please Help* In-Reply-To: <43616865.2070804@eq.edu.au> Message-ID: <200510281145.j9SBjq1W018808@mx3.redhat.com> Joel, Nothing happens. When I tell it to run in a terminal it opens the closes just as fast with no results. When I tell it just to run, still nothing happens. -Paul Paul VanGundy Technology Coordinator Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Joel Buchan Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:53 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] *Home Directory..Again..Please Help* Paul, So when you run the script what happens? _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From frank at oobschools.org Fri Oct 28 11:55:11 2005 From: frank at oobschools.org (Frank Lee) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:55:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Login or not to Login...that is the question. In-Reply-To: <43568B9C.2060102@independence.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: On 10/19/05 2:08 PM, "Brad Johnson" wrote: > You may have already checked this, but I had this problem initially. > Make sure on your macserver that your users have a shell account chosen > in Workgroup Manager. Mine initially defaulted to a login shell of > "none". I changed my setting to /bin/bash, and those users can now login. On 10/19/05 7:48 PM, "David Trask" wrote: > One other thing....sometimes folks think /bin/false might be more secure. > It's true....it'll be wicked secure....(you won't be able to log in at > all) ;-) You MUST have a shell of some sort. > Sorry so long to reply crazy week, wanted to let you know you were spot-on. Looks like at some time one of the presets in Workgroup Manager didn't have a shell set. Thanks again!!!!! -F -- Frank P. Lee Old Orchard Beach Schools Technology Department http://helpdesk.oobschools.org From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 13:12:54 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:12:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: Put your K12LTSP installation on the map In-Reply-To: <436203F1.4060301@msad3.org> References: <435D46DD.3000405@maltzen.net> <774593a20510242119j32e9e657v94b257d037b246ce@mail.gmail.com> <435E4D72.8030107@maltzen.net> <7E75E115-2D64-44AF-8831-93B12192DF0F@netday.org.za> <20051025190132.GB31008@sonic.net> <4360DD4C.8010909@maltzen.net> <774593a20510271753m510c5ff0o75e1351dd43cd244@mail.gmail.com> <436203F1.4060301@msad3.org> Message-ID: On 10/28/05, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > Should we put all the schools as separate locations or just one for the > district? What is the "Norm"? > Mark For sure, I'd recommend putting the schools as separate locations. The more installations we can reflect on this map, the better! What I hope it will ultimately show is the spread of ltsp. I already think it will make a difference for people who are considering it to see a map of those who are running it! Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 13:38:55 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:38:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: Put your K12LTSP installation on the map In-Reply-To: References: <435D46DD.3000405@maltzen.net> <435E4D72.8030107@maltzen.net> <7E75E115-2D64-44AF-8831-93B12192DF0F@netday.org.za> <20051025190132.GB31008@sonic.net> <4360DD4C.8010909@maltzen.net> <774593a20510271753m510c5ff0o75e1351dd43cd244@mail.gmail.com> <436203F1.4060301@msad3.org> Message-ID: K12LTSP.com now forwards directly to the map site. There are 93 installations listed as of a few minutes ago. Breaking 100 this morning would be cool... I would imagine that we could show 200 relatively easily, and that if the Shuttleworth tuXLabs, Skolelinux, and all the other ltsp/thin-client Linux variant solutions were actually added, we could be in the thousands... Wouldn't that be something to show. Brazils telecentros, the Chilean schools, Spain... who else could we try to contact? Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jam at mcquil.com Fri Oct 28 13:35:00 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: Put your K12LTSP installation on the map In-Reply-To: References: <435D46DD.3000405@maltzen.net> <774593a20510242119j32e9e657v94b257d037b246ce@mail.gmail.com> <435E4D72.8030107@maltzen.net> <7E75E115-2D64-44AF-8831-93B12192DF0F@netday.org.za> <20051025190132.GB31008@sonic.net> <4360DD4C.8010909@maltzen.net> <774593a20510271753m510c5ff0o75e1351dd43cd244@mail.gmail.com> <436203F1.4060301@msad3.org> Message-ID: Steve, I've started paying attention to this thread late in the game, and i've not seen any reminder what the URL is for the map. Perhaps a reminder of that URL would drive more people to it. Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Fri, 28 Oct 2005, Steve Hargadon wrote: > On 10/28/05, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > > > Should we put all the schools as separate locations or just one for the > > district? What is the "Norm"? > > Mark > > > For sure, I'd recommend putting the schools as separate locations. The more > installations we can reflect on this map, the better! What I hope it will > ultimately show is the spread of ltsp. I already think it will make a > difference for people who are considering it to see a map of those who are > running it! > > Steve > > -- > Steve Hargadon > 916-899-1400 direct > www.k12computers.com > www.technologyrescue.com > From frank at oobschools.org Fri Oct 28 13:51:55 2005 From: frank at oobschools.org (Frank Lee) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:51:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: Put your K12LTSP installation on the map In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/28/05 9:35 AM, "Jim McQuillan" wrote: > Steve, > > I've started paying attention to this thread late in the game, and i've > not seen any reminder what the URL is for the map. > > Perhaps a reminder of that URL would drive more people to it. http://www.frappr.com/k12ltsp -F -- Frank P. Lee Old Orchard Beach Schools Technology Department http://helpdesk.oobschools.org From gumprechtm at msad3.org Fri Oct 28 13:59:10 2005 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:59:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] http://www.frappr.com/k12ltsp Message-ID: <43622EAE.6030806@msad3.org> URL For the map http://www.frappr.com/k12ltsp Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 14:07:04 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:07:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: Put your K12LTSP installation on the map In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > > Perhaps a reminder of that URL would drive more people to it. > > > http://www.frappr.com/k12ltsp For LTSP or thin-client Linux installations: http://www.frappr.com/k12ltsp (or http://www.k12ltsp.com redirects to the page) For other Open Source use in schools: http://www.frappr.com/k12opensource (or http://www.k12opensource.com redirects to the page) Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] making icewm only option > From: "Gavin Spurgeon" > Date: Thu, October 27, 2005 6:09 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > Hi List.. > > Have a Look @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/icewm.htm > It is a Step-by-Step HowTo on how to set IceWM as the Default > and also remove all others.. > > Best Regards > > > Gavin Spurgeon > Assistant Systems Administrator > gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk > http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk > Tel: 01322 620501 > Fax: 01322 620599 > IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Systems @ the LeighCTC, > and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 14:40:36 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:40:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] weird weird networking problem Message-ID: <9bd317560510280740m73aa8794u2250a24d829b352b@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, Our setup with regard to filtering is like this. I have the default gateway of the (multiple nic) ltsp box pointing to a separate squidguard machine. It happens to be called eth2. For teachers that need webmail I point their browsers to a regular squid proxy machine. This has been working great for about 17 months. Yesterday I installed our fancy new Dell Powerconnnect 6024 switch and set up the link aggregation. I successfully got our eth0, eth1, eth4 eth5 working as bond0. Then when I use firefox on a client it doesn't work. If I manually point the browser to the squidguard machine, it works. But I didn't have to this before and everyone has a profile that doesn't point there. I'm really confused because the changes were made on a different network and eth2 of ltsp , the squidguard machine and the internet gateway machine are all plugged into the same switch. Any thoughts on where my problem is? I really can't afford to manually delete everyones current profile and have them get e new one from the master prefs. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks, Peter From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Fri Oct 28 15:02:32 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (James P Schwankl) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:02:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] is it just me? - can't download 4.4.1 Message-ID: <20051028150232.37013d1d@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> Hey folks, I am having trouble downloading disc1 and disc2 of the 4.4.1 set and wondered if the problem was at my end or the other end. I was able to get discs 3-5 w/o problem, but disc1 either hangs or errors around 26-27%. I've tried different boxen (OS X 10.39 and 10.42) and different methods (ftp and rsync) with the same results. Can anyone verify that there is a problem? Thanks, Jimmy Schwankl +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Always proofread carefully to see if you any words out. ****This Message was sent through the Chatham County Schools E-Mail Server**** All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. From rstewart at iccpartners.com Fri Oct 28 15:20:57 2005 From: rstewart at iccpartners.com (Rondall Stewart) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:20:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] *Home Directory..Again..Please Help* Message-ID: Can you ping the host name of the domian controler. Make sure you have DNS and all that set up correctly. I have seen a case where I had to manually enter the "A" recored of the linux server into DNS. Backup /etc/pam.d/gdm and /etc/pam.d/login Add the following line at the end of each file session required pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel/ umask=0077 Make sure in /home you have a directory that matches the short name of your domain in captial letters. Make sure you have the following three line in your /etc/samba/smb.conf file template homedir = /home/%D/%U template shell = /bin/bash winbind use default domain = yes In a couple domains I couldn't get the ADS to work so I used security = domain in the smb.conf file If you do this Delete the account in AD and type net domain join -U adminusername Rondall Stewart Technical Team Leader ICC Technology Partners (606)886-8447 ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Paul VanGundy Sent: Wed 10/26/2005 9:24 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: [K12OSN] *Home Directory..Again..Please Help* All, I was recently able to get my K12LTSP server to authenticate against a W2K3 ADS via winbind. Since then, I had sent an email asking for help with getting home directories created when a user logs on or a script that will grab AD user information and create home folders in a designated location on the K12LTSP server. I received several responses but none that seemed to work. I am emailing again to ask if anyone has successfully found a way to get home directories automatically made for a user when they log in for the first time on K12LTSP or if there is a script that exist that will grab user info from the ADS and create user folders automatically. I know many of us use K12LTSP (obviously because we are on the listserv :-)) and surely some users on here authenticate against a Windows ADS as well and have their home folders set up properly. I am asking (and kinda pleading! :-)) that someone give me some insight and point me in the right direction so that I can get this resolved. Also, when/if you do reply please treat me like a newb so that I can ensure I do it right! :-) Thanks in advance to you all. -Paul Paul VanGundy Technology Coordinator Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rsync seems to work too. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From kriston at tekdesk.org Fri Oct 28 16:26:27 2005 From: kriston at tekdesk.org (Kriston Purdy) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:26:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Creating Pilot Project for Ontario Public Libraries Message-ID: <200510281232437.SM01356@Toshiba10> Hi All; One of our sister companies that recycles donated hardware to non-profits, recieved through donation 30 older IBM Netfinity servers, which consisted of 1 P-3-650 processor and 512 mb of Ram. In hearing of their availability, the K12_LTSP project came to mind. My idea, distribute these servers to the smaller Ontario Public Libraries, not only running Teminal Services, but also acting as File, Print, Mail and Webhosting Servers. I want to know if you think that these servers are beefy enough to handle the load placed on them for these tasks. 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Peace, Jimmy +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Always proofread carefully to see if you any words out. ****This Message was sent through the Chatham County Schools E-Mail Server**** All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 16:33:06 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:33:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: weird weird networking problem In-Reply-To: <9bd317560510280740m73aa8794u2250a24d829b352b@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560510280740m73aa8794u2250a24d829b352b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560510280933o35018fe7v3feb05b5a5d07fbf@mail.gmail.com> Do I need to set up nat between bond0 and eth2? Thanks, Peter On 10/28/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey all, > Our setup with regard to filtering is like this. I have the default > gateway of the (multiple nic) ltsp box pointing to a separate > squidguard machine. It happens to be called eth2. For teachers that > need webmail I point their browsers to a regular squid proxy machine. > This has been working great for about 17 months. Yesterday I > installed our fancy new Dell Powerconnnect 6024 switch and set up the > link aggregation. I successfully got our eth0, eth1, eth4 eth5 working > as bond0. Then when I use firefox on a client it doesn't work. If I > manually point the browser to the squidguard machine, it works. But I > didn't have to this before and everyone has a profile that doesn't > point there. I'm really confused because the changes were made on a > different network and eth2 of ltsp , the squidguard machine and the > internet gateway machine are all plugged into the same switch. Any > thoughts on where my problem is? I really can't afford to manually > delete everyones current profile and have them get e new one from the > master prefs. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. > > Thanks, > Peter > From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Oct 28 16:00:27 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:00:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] *Home Directory..Again..Please Help* In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200510281634.j9SGYG1o025211@mx3.redhat.com> Rondall, Works perfectly! Thanks! -Paul Paul VanGundy Technology Coordinator Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us _____ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rondall Stewart Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 10:21 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] *Home Directory..Again..Please Help* Can you ping the host name of the domian controler. Make sure you have DNS and all that set up correctly. I have seen a case where I had to manually enter the "A" recored of the linux server into DNS. Backup /etc/pam.d/gdm and /etc/pam.d/login Add the following line at the end of each file session required pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel/ umask=0077 Make sure in /home you have a directory that matches the short name of your domain in captial letters. Make sure you have the following three line in your /etc/samba/smb.conf file template homedir = /home/%D/%U template shell = /bin/bash winbind use default domain = yes In a couple domains I couldn't get the ADS to work so I used security = domain in the smb.conf file If you do this Delete the account in AD and type net domain join -U adminusername Rondall Stewart Technical Team Leader ICC Technology Partners (606)886-8447 _____ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Paul VanGundy Sent: Wed 10/26/2005 9:24 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: [K12OSN] *Home Directory..Again..Please Help* All, I was recently able to get my K12LTSP server to authenticate against a W2K3 ADS via winbind. Since then, I had sent an email asking for help with getting home directories created when a user logs on or a script that will grab AD user information and create home folders in a designated location on the K12LTSP server. I received several responses but none that seemed to work. I am emailing again to ask if anyone has successfully found a way to get home directories automatically made for a user when they log in for the first time on K12LTSP or if there is a script that exist that will grab user info from the ADS and create user folders automatically. I know many of us use K12LTSP (obviously because we are on the listserv :-)) and surely some users on here authenticate against a Windows ADS as well and have their home folders set up properly. I am asking (and kinda pleading! :-)) that someone give me some insight and point me in the right direction so that I can get this resolved. Also, when/if you do reply please treat me like a newb so that I can ensure I do it right! :-) Thanks in advance to you all. -Paul Paul VanGundy Technology Coordinator Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 11326 bytes Desc: not available URL: From petre at maltzen.net Fri Oct 28 16:37:20 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:37:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Creating Pilot Project for Ontario Public Libraries In-Reply-To: <200510281232437.SM01356@Toshiba10> References: <200510281232437.SM01356@Toshiba10> Message-ID: <436253C0.2090403@maltzen.net> I don't think a 650mhz P3 with 512MB RAM will handle all that, but it does depend on the scale. That is, how many thin clients did you want to handle? I can tell you from experience, that a server with only 256MB isn't enough for even one client if that client is running IceWM, Mozilla and OpenOffice.org with, say, five or six documents open; it's just not enough RAM. 512 will support perhaps two or three clients, but you'd be cutting it close, and again it depends on which apps and how many the clients are running. To then add file, print, mail and web would be too much. If you can bump the RAM up to 1GB, then it may be manageable, if you don't have too many thin clients, and there isn't too much mail/print/file/web activity. How many libraries are you looking to outfit? If you could manage, I'd send two servers to each library, one for file/print/mail/web--512MB ought to be enough for that--and the other, with more RAM installed, for the terminal server. Or if you can get 2GB-4GB in those boxes, then a single box might work. Petre Kriston Purdy wrote: > Hi All; > > One of our sister companies that recycles donated hardware to > non-profits, recieved through donation 30 older IBM Netfinity servers, > which consisted of 1 P-3-650 processor and 512 mb of Ram. In hearing of > their availability, the K12_LTSP project came to mind. My idea, > distribute these servers to the smaller Ontario Public Libraries, not > only running Teminal Services, but also acting as File, Print, Mail and > Webhosting Servers. > > I want to know if you think that these servers are beefy enough to > handle the load placed on them for these tasks. > > Sincerely > > Kriston > 24by7 Tekdesk > www.tekdesk.org > kriston at tekdesk.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Oct 28 16:39:51 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:39:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: is it just me? - can't download 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <20051028162707.2bfd7ae5@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> References: <20051028162707.2bfd7ae5@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <43625457.3060300@mesd.k12.or.us> James P Schwankl wrote: > Dan Young wrote: >>I just ftp'ed the 4.4.1 disc 1 and 2 isos OK. md5sums are OK. Rsync >>seems to work too. > > OK.. thanks. I'll keep trying things differently from this end. Your > being within the hosting district's network shouldn't introduce any > factors that would skew the results, would it? I thought about that and performed those downloads via a tunnel to outside the MESD firewall. Is rsync throwing any sort of error? Here's what I was doing: rsync -avP \ rsync://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/K12LTSP-4.4.1-disc1.iso \ ./K12LTSP-4.4.1-disc1.iso -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Fri Oct 28 16:37:13 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:37:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound in Flash but not TuxType Message-ID: <436253B9.7080107@honeygroveisd.net> I had an extended power failure that caused some hard drive damage to my 4.4 machine. Since I'm NFS mounting /home from another server, what was on the K12LTSP server was pretty much expendable. So, I simply replaced the drive and started with a clean install. Now I have sound on the terminals in flash-enabled sites such as starfall.com using ESD but no sound in TuxType or other such applications. Is there something I missed in the install, or some tweak I need to do? Any ideas? -- C-ya, Mark ____ "I love going see opera. You can't sleep at home like that." -- Larry Miller From kriston at tekdesk.org Fri Oct 28 17:09:39 2005 From: kriston at tekdesk.org (Kriston Purdy) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:09:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Creating Pilot Project for Ontario Public Libraries In-Reply-To: <436253C0.2090403@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <200510281315421.SM01924@Toshiba10> Thanks for the input Petre. The project is being directed at the smaller libraries in Ontario, as well as perhaps the Community Access sites that we support also. The mean average for the amount of terminals is 4 -6. These servers have the capacity for installing lots of ram, so that's not an issue. They also have an open slot for a second processor. Thanks for the input and advice. It's greatly appreciated. Kris -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Petre Scheie Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 12:37 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Creating Pilot Project for Ontario Public Libraries I don't think a 650mhz P3 with 512MB RAM will handle all that, but it does depend on the scale. That is, how many thin clients did you want to handle? I can tell you from experience, that a server with only 256MB isn't enough for even one client if that client is running IceWM, Mozilla and OpenOffice.org with, say, five or six documents open; it's just not enough RAM. 512 will support perhaps two or three clients, but you'd be cutting it close, and again it depends on which apps and how many the clients are running. To then add file, print, mail and web would be too much. If you can bump the RAM up to 1GB, then it may be manageable, if you don't have too many thin clients, and there isn't too much mail/print/file/web activity. How many libraries are you looking to outfit? If you could manage, I'd send two servers to each library, one for file/print/mail/web--512MB ought to be enough for that--and the other, with more RAM installed, for the terminal server. Or if you can get 2GB-4GB in those boxes, then a single box might work. Petre Kriston Purdy wrote: > Hi All; > > One of our sister companies that recycles donated hardware to > non-profits, recieved through donation 30 older IBM Netfinity servers, > which consisted of 1 P-3-650 processor and 512 mb of Ram. In hearing > of their availability, the K12_LTSP project came to mind. My idea, > distribute these servers to the smaller Ontario Public Libraries, not > only running Teminal Services, but also acting as File, Print, Mail > and Webhosting Servers. > > I want to know if you think that these servers are beefy enough to > handle the load placed on them for these tasks. > > Sincerely > > Kriston > 24by7 Tekdesk > www.tekdesk.org kriston at tekdesk.org > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Oct 28 17:19:35 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:19:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Creating Pilot Project for Ontario Public Libraries In-Reply-To: <200510281232437.SM01356@Toshiba10> References: <200510281232437.SM01356@Toshiba10> Message-ID: <43625DA7.9090504@paasda.org> installing the 2nd processor and maxing the ram and they should be able to handle a decent load..dual gig nics??? --Huck Kriston Purdy wrote: > Hi All; > > One of our sister companies that recycles donated hardware to > non-profits, recieved through donation 30 older IBM Netfinity servers, > which consisted of 1 P-3-650 processor and 512 mb of Ram. In hearing of > their availability, the K12_LTSP project came to mind. My idea, > distribute these servers to the smaller Ontario Public Libraries, not > only running Teminal Services, but also acting as File, Print, Mail and > Webhosting Servers. > > I want to know if you think that these servers are beefy enough to > handle the load placed on them for these tasks. > > Sincerely > > Kriston > 24by7 Tekdesk > www.tekdesk.org > kriston at tekdesk.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From scott at hosef.org Fri Oct 28 17:26:14 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:26:14 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: Put your K12LTSP installation on the map In-Reply-To: References: <435D46DD.3000405@maltzen.net> <435E4D72.8030107@maltzen.net> <7E75E115-2D64-44AF-8831-93B12192DF0F@netday.org.za> <20051025190132.GB31008@sonic.net> <4360DD4C.8010909@maltzen.net> <774593a20510271753m510c5ff0o75e1351dd43cd244@mail.gmail.com> <436203F1.4060301@msad3.org> Message-ID: <43625F36.9090303@hosef.org> Steve Hargadon wrote: > K12LTSP.com now forwards directly to the map site. > > There are 93 installations listed as of a few minutes ago. Breaking 100 > this morning would be cool... I would imagine that we could show 200 > relatively easily, and that if the Shuttleworth tuXLabs, Skolelinux, and > all the other ltsp/thin-client Linux variant solutions were actually > added, we could be in the thousands... Wouldn't that be something to show. > > Brazils telecentros, the Chilean schools, Spain... who else could we try > to contact? The Skolelinux Team (debian-edu) http://www.skolelinux.org/portal/ has been maintaining a list of installs http://www.skolelinux.org/portal/user_experience/test_schools/ since some time last year on a map found on the project's website. http://www.skolelinux.org/portal/user_experience/test_schools/test_schools_map. --scott From scott at hosef.org Fri Oct 28 17:28:01 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:28:01 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading 4.4 wipes /etc/dhcpd.conf Message-ID: <43625FA1.6080407@hosef.org> I recently read a post about an upgrade wiping dhcpd.conf. It happened to me yesterday on two boxes that I upgraded. I am about to have to deliver new dhcpd.conf files via floppy. The scenario on both boxes: running 4.4.1 on an amd opteron, 4 gb ram, 10k sata drive. I ran yumex, refreshed the package list, and installed the updates. The clients stopped working. I checked repos, saw that k12ltsp continues not to remain checked off, selected it, and refreshed the package list. Now there was a dhcp update from the k12 repository. I was relieved that help was a download away. This did not fix the problem. Both servers now have a blank dhcpd.conf file. There is no backup, no rpmsave file, nothing. Running 'updatedb' and 'locate dhcpd.conf' does not reveal a misplaced file. The update simply breaks the installation. Heads up. 4.4 issues persist, and Open Office still opens slowly. --scott From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 17:30:00 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:30:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder: Put your K12LTSP installation on the map In-Reply-To: <43625F36.9090303@hosef.org> References: <435D46DD.3000405@maltzen.net> <20051025190132.GB31008@sonic.net> <4360DD4C.8010909@maltzen.net> <774593a20510271753m510c5ff0o75e1351dd43cd244@mail.gmail.com> <436203F1.4060301@msad3.org> <43625F36.9090303@hosef.org> Message-ID: Very cool. On 10/28/05, R. Scott Belford wrote: > > Steve Hargadon wrote: > > K12LTSP.com now forwards directly to the map site. > > > > There are 93 installations listed as of a few minutes ago. Breaking 100 > > this morning would be cool... I would imagine that we could show 200 > > relatively easily, and that if the Shuttleworth tuXLabs, Skolelinux, and > > all the other ltsp/thin-client Linux variant solutions were actually > > added, we could be in the thousands... Wouldn't that be something to > show. > > > > Brazils telecentros, the Chilean schools, Spain... who else could we try > > to contact? > > The Skolelinux Team (debian-edu) > > http://www.skolelinux.org/portal/ > > has been maintaining a list of installs > > http://www.skolelinux.org/portal/user_experience/test_schools/ > > since some time last year on a map found on the project's website. > > > http://www.skolelinux.org/portal/user_experience/test_schools/test_schools_map > . > > > --scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Fri Oct 28 17:48:27 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:48:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: weird weird networking problem In-Reply-To: <9bd317560510280933o35018fe7v3feb05b5a5d07fbf@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560510280740m73aa8794u2250a24d829b352b@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510280933o35018fe7v3feb05b5a5d07fbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1130521707.7470.46.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-10-28 at 11:33, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Do I need to set up nat between bond0 and eth2? >From what you described, I thought eth2 didn't change. If you traceroute to an internet address does it still go 'through' the squidguard machine? If you run tcpdump host and attempt an outbound connection from the server or client browser, do you see the packets on port 80 getting there? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 18:14:34 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:14:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: weird weird networking problem In-Reply-To: <1130521707.7470.46.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <9bd317560510280740m73aa8794u2250a24d829b352b@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510280933o35018fe7v3feb05b5a5d07fbf@mail.gmail.com> <1130521707.7470.46.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560510281114p449ca35at3e759210f1b61231@mail.gmail.com> Traceroute...cool. Never used that before. I had 2 default gateways set. It mysteroiusly switched to the other one when I did the bonding. Thanks Les. Peter On 10/28/05, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-10-28 at 11:33, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Do I need to set up nat between bond0 and eth2? > > >From what you described, I thought eth2 didn't change. If > you traceroute to an internet address does it still go > 'through' the squidguard machine? If you run > tcpdump host > and attempt an outbound connection from the server or > client browser, do you see the packets on port 80 getting > there? > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From nbs at sonic.net Fri Oct 28 18:14:30 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:14:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound in Flash but not TuxType In-Reply-To: <436253B9.7080107@honeygroveisd.net> References: <436253B9.7080107@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <20051028181430.GA2531@sonic.net> On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 11:37:13AM -0500, Mark Cockrell wrote: > I had an extended power failure that caused some hard drive damage to my > 4.4 machine. Since I'm NFS mounting /home from another server, what was > on the K12LTSP server was pretty much expendable. So, I simply replaced > the drive and started with a clean install. Now I have sound on the > terminals in flash-enabled sites such as starfall.com using ESD but no > sound in TuxType or other such applications. Is there something I > missed in the install, or some tweak I need to do? Any ideas? I'm not sure what Flash uses for sound in the back-end, but TuxType I believe uses SDL, so you might need to tell SDL which audio driver to use. (e.g., set the env. var "SDL_AUDIODRIVER=esd", or tell it some other way) -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From tlegge at rogers.com Fri Oct 28 18:21:37 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Sound in Flash but not TuxType In-Reply-To: <436253B9.7080107@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <20051028182137.2899.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi I seem to have found the following issues in 4.4 but I have not figured out the cause. 1) nasd does not start on the clients 2) esd will start on the clients but tuxpaint etc will not produce sound 3) tuxmath/paint, gcompris and others will only produce sound if you use a wrapper script to preload the oss library set the audio server and run the application. Tim --- Mark Cockrell wrote: > I had an extended power failure that caused some > hard drive damage to my > 4.4 machine. Since I'm NFS mounting /home from > another server, what was > on the K12LTSP server was pretty much expendable. > So, I simply replaced > the drive and started with a clean install. Now I > have sound on the > terminals in flash-enabled sites such as > starfall.com using ESD but no > sound in TuxType or other such applications. Is > there something I > missed in the install, or some tweak I need to do? > Any ideas? > > -- > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > "I love going see opera. You can't sleep at home > like that." -- Larry Miller > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Oct 28 18:24:20 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:24:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading 4.4 wipes /etc/dhcpd.conf In-Reply-To: <43625FA1.6080407@hosef.org> References: <43625FA1.6080407@hosef.org> Message-ID: <43626CD4.4080702@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> R. Scott Belford wrote: > I recently read a post about an upgrade wiping dhcpd.conf. It happened > to me yesterday on two boxes that I upgraded. I am about to have to > deliver new dhcpd.conf files via floppy. > > The scenario on both boxes: running 4.4.1 on an amd opteron, 4 gb ram, > 10k sata drive. I ran yumex, refreshed the package list, and installed > the updates. The clients stopped working. > > I checked repos, saw that k12ltsp continues not to remain checked off, > selected it, and refreshed the package list. Now there was a dhcp > update from the k12 repository. I was relieved that help was a download > away. This did not fix the problem. > > Both servers now have a blank dhcpd.conf file. There is no backup, no > rpmsave file, nothing. Running 'updatedb' and 'locate dhcpd.conf' does > not reveal a misplaced file. The update simply breaks the installation. > The quick-fix is to either run "yum upgrade" from the command line, or in yumex click on the "Repos" button, check the box next to "k12ltsp", click on "Refresh", then "Update". I'm working on a way to fix the yumex package. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From scott at hosef.org Fri Oct 28 18:31:25 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:31:25 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading 4.4 wipes /etc/dhcpd.conf In-Reply-To: <43626CD4.4080702@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43625FA1.6080407@hosef.org> <43626CD4.4080702@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43626E7D.70402@hosef.org> Eric Harrison wrote: > R. Scott Belford wrote: > >> I recently read a post about an upgrade wiping dhcpd.conf. It happened >> to me yesterday on two boxes that I upgraded. I am about to have to >> deliver new dhcpd.conf files via floppy. >> >> The scenario on both boxes: running 4.4.1 on an amd opteron, 4 gb ram, >> 10k sata drive. I ran yumex, refreshed the package list, and installed >> the updates. The clients stopped working. >> >> I checked repos, saw that k12ltsp continues not to remain checked off, >> selected it, and refreshed the package list. Now there was a dhcp >> update from the k12 repository. I was relieved that help was a download >> away. This did not fix the problem. >> >> Both servers now have a blank dhcpd.conf file. There is no backup, no >> rpmsave file, nothing. Running 'updatedb' and 'locate dhcpd.conf' does >> not reveal a misplaced file. The update simply breaks the installation. >> > > > The quick-fix is to either run "yum upgrade" from the command line, or > in yumex click on the "Repos" button, check the box next to "k12ltsp", > click on "Refresh", then "Update". Unless something has changed in the repos between yesterday and today, this did not fix it. I'm heading to campus now, with floppy, but will try another refresh and update first. > > I'm working on a way to fix the yumex package. > > -Eric Thanks, Eric. --scott From Mike.Karolow at sprint.com Fri Oct 28 19:02:00 2005 From: Mike.Karolow at sprint.com (Karolow, Mike [IT]) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:02:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading 4.4 wipes /etc/dhcpd.conf Message-ID: From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of R. Scott Belford Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 1:28 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading 4.4 wipes /etc/dhcpd.conf I recently read a post about an upgrade wiping dhcpd.conf. It happened to me yesterday on two boxes that I upgraded. I am about to have to deliver new dhcpd.conf files via floppy. The scenario on both boxes: running 4.4.1 on an amd opteron, 4 gb ram, 10k sata drive. I ran yumex, refreshed the package list, and installed the updates. The clients stopped working. I checked repos, saw that k12ltsp continues not to remain checked off, selected it, and refreshed the package list. Now there was a dhcp update from the k12 repository. I was relieved that help was a download away. This did not fix the problem. Both servers now have a blank dhcpd.conf file. There is no backup, no rpmsave file, nothing. Running 'updatedb' and 'locate dhcpd.conf' does not reveal a misplaced file. The update simply breaks the installation. Heads up. 4.4 issues persist, and Open Office still opens slowly. --scott -------------- I had this problem last weekend, and got it (sort of) resolved by rebuilding the dhcp.conf by hand. I think there's some mistakes in the one I made, but I could not for the life of me find the file online. I'm no slouch at Googling either. Can someone post a default 4.4.1 dhcp.comf to the list that will be easily findable in the future, or is it already in some obvious location that I overlooked? Thanks! Mike Karolow Volunteer IT Administrator the greenhouse school Salem, MA, USA From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Oct 28 19:17:00 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:17:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd.conf file for K12LTSP 4.4.1 Message-ID: <4362792C.8040707@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Attached is the stock /etc/dhcpd.conf file for K12LTSP. I also put a copy on my FTP & HTTP servers: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/dhcp/dhcpd.conf http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/dhcp/dhcpd.conf -Eric -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: dhcpd.conf URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe it's time to plug backuppc again. If you have something worth saving, this is the painless way (after the initial setup...) to do it. Put a big drive in a PC running linux. I use my desktop box because it doesn't do much at night anyway. Install backuppc from http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/. Or, if you run debian or Ubuntu there is a canned package. Once it is running you can more or less ignore it until you accidentally lose something like this dhcpd.conf file. Then you can pop into the backup server with the web browser interface and grab a copy from any previous day of the week, either downloading to the browser or having the server restore back to the original location. One instance of backuppc can back up many Linux and windows boxes and it's compression/linking scheme lets it hold about 10x the data you would expect online. -- Les Mikesell les at gmail.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Oct 29 03:48:48 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading 4.4 wipes /etc/dhcpd.conf In-Reply-To: <43626CD4.4080702@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43625FA1.6080407@hosef.org> <43626CD4.4080702@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: > I'm working on a way to fix the yumex package. Looks like this behavior was a design-decision. I filed a bug report on it in Red Hat's bugzilla & the author's bug tracking system. I'll wait to see what they say before deciding whether-or-not an ugly work-around is required. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Oct 29 06:12:43 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:12:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading 4.4 wipes /etc/dhcpd.conf In-Reply-To: References: <43625FA1.6080407@hosef.org> <43626CD4.4080702@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Oct 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> I'm working on a way to fix the yumex package. > > Looks like this behavior was a design-decision. I filed a bug report > on it in Red Hat's bugzilla & the author's bug tracking system. > > I'll wait to see what they say before deciding whether-or-not an > ugly work-around is required. Tim Lauridsen, the lead developer, says he will change the default behavoir of yumex. Good news! -Eric From les at futuresource.com Sun Oct 30 06:14:36 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 01:14:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp client for vmware Message-ID: <1130652875.22271.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Has anyone tried setting up a VMware virtual machine that does a PXE or etherboot to come up as a thin client? It might be fun to try that under the free vmware player for demos or situations where you want access to both windows and client functions. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Oct 30 17:09:03 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:09:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560510031220w3f1fdec7y72201da6f1082926@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510031306l30e63003lfe3a4f70bf71ec1c@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510031408q4b58afbbnd30c5e7426eb3f04@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510141240l53697722ued6bc885ec1ac413@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510210835q37ea94d1waec6328b036c5747@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560510300909y64a14ee9m47b4e3d1149a8812@mail.gmail.com> Hey Robert, >Discipline > issues should be dealt with in a different way, maybe asking the > student to sit in the hall for a while. You're right. I noticed something a little weird. Maybe it's by design. Whenever I launch an app with TT the sound never works. I've tried Gcompris, Tuxtype, Tuxpaint and Childsplay. Any ideas about that? Thanks, Peter On 10/21/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 10/21/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > with you. What if the lock feature worked like this: the teacher > > types a temporary password into the input field and presses the lock, > > button. Then the students regular password won't work to exit the > > screensaver and only the temporary password will work. Our computer > > teacher has been using TT and had to log off unruly students. They > > ended up just logging in again. > > I make the lock feature to simply get students attention. Like turning > the lights out for a second. Not really for discipline. The lock > feature simply engages the students screensaver. Therefore, the > students password is required to end it. In order to have the > functionality you describe one would have to change the password of > the user. It's possible, but not a good idea in my mind. Discipline > issues should be dealt with in a different way, maybe asking the > student to sit in the hall for a while. > > Could their be a record feature > > implemented in TT for vncreflector? It looks as though there are a > > couple different ways of recording vnc sessions at present. Having > > one integrated would just be ridiculous. > > A record feature would be interesting but it is well beyond my > ability. In order to be worth while it would also have to record audio > instructions and also be able to have playback. That would be another > tool altogether. In order to be remotely possible one would have to > use an already existing 3rd party recorder. I know Camtasia > (http://camtasia.com) has such a commercial product for windows (it > actually saves the sessions as flash content). I don't know of any > Linux equivalent software. Greg Ercolano (an active member of the FLTK > community) uses Camtasia to make FLTK programming tutorial videos. > There is a link in my tutorial site > http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > Right now (after this strike) my 1st goal is to add multiple server > support to Fl_TeacherTool. 2nd goal is to solve the problem of > teachers logging out of vnc session window and hanging the reflector. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Sun Oct 30 18:54:40 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:54:40 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: <9bd317560510300909y64a14ee9m47b4e3d1149a8812@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560510031306l30e63003lfe3a4f70bf71ec1c@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510031408q4b58afbbnd30c5e7426eb3f04@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510141240l53697722ued6bc885ec1ac413@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510210835q37ea94d1waec6328b036c5747@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560510300909y64a14ee9m47b4e3d1149a8812@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/30/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I noticed something a little weird. Maybe it's by design. Whenever I > launch an app with TT the sound never works. I've tried Gcompris, > Tuxtype, Tuxpaint and Childsplay. Any ideas about that? > No. I don't have speakers in my lab so I have not noticed. Maybe it's becuase of X forwarding. grep out the line that has "su" in it from my source. That's the line that executes apps for clients. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Sun Oct 30 21:05:11 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:05:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Towards Linux Desktop Comfort Message-ID: Hi folks, I just wrote a little page about the issues facing Linux as it attempts to achieve acceptance on the desktop. It's at http://kegel.com/linux/comfort/ If anyone has the time to give it a read, I'd appreciate feedback. Thanks! From daniel at solle.se Sun Oct 30 23:26:12 2005 From: daniel at solle.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 00:26:12 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Towards Linux Desktop Comfort Message-ID: <1130714772.82148d4daniel@solle.se> Hi! It was a fine article and i can agree on much of it. I think you make the same assumption many other do about Linux. That its supposed to be a drop in replacement of Windows. That would mean that Linux would also mimic all the crazy quirks, strange behaviour and things that many of us just cant stand while infront of a Windows machine. If you set out thinking Linux is a clone of Windows then sure, youll be dissapointed. If you have prior knowledge of Windows XP then sure, it may seem like its easier than Linux. But for me, a seasoned Linux user Windows XP is harder than any strange Unix variant out there. The bottom line is this, linux is built on a different mindset than Windows. In Unix, everything is a file. Programs is supposed to be small, efficient and be able to pipe input/output in an easy manner. Thus giving an enormous freedom to the user to do pretty much anything he wants with a simple script or some keystrokes. This is very different from the Windows approach where you need a new application for almost every new task you want to do. For Linux to change to being a windows clone while windows inches towards *nix is just stupid. What linux needs is really to forget about Windows and go further away. Microsoft isnt any leader worth following, they dont know where they are going themselves. It was just recently the blasted the linux shell, now theyre getting one. This is just my opinion amongst millions of others. My mind is clear on this matter. Microsoft is yesterdays news, we can stand here and wait or go ahead and make something better than they do. If we just mimic them all we ever will accomplish is second hand stuff. Why follow when you can lead? -----Original Message----- From: Dan Kegel To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:05:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Towards Linux Desktop Comfort Hi folks, I just wrote a little page about the issues facing Linux as it attempts to achieve acceptance on the desktop. It's at http://kegel.com/linux/comfort/ If anyone has the time to give it a read, I'd appreciate feedback. Thanks! _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 01:07:01 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:07:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Towards Linux Desktop Comfort In-Reply-To: <1130714772.82148d4daniel@solle.se> References: <1130714772.82148d4daniel@solle.se> Message-ID: On 10/30/05, Daniel Hedblom wrote: >> http://kegel.com/linux/comfort/ > I think you make the same assumption many other do about Linux. >That its supposed to be a drop in replacement of Windows. ... Interesting fact: one of the major goals of Open Office 2.0 was to be more of a drop-in replacement for Microsoft Office. They had tried being different for years, and discovered that users simply didn't care to spend the time to learn a different interface; they wanted their old familiar one. Does that mean Linux has to be just like Windows? No. But it does mean that if you want people to use you, you have to make the learning curve really, really easy for users who are switching. >Microsoft is yesterdays news, we can stand here and wait or go ahead and make >something better than they do. If we just mimic them all we ever will accomplish is >second hand stuff. Why follow when you can lead? I'm totally with you, but if we want to switch over millions of people per year, we have to make sure they're comfortable with the idea. Don't you agree? From wescott at sc.rr.com Mon Oct 31 04:29:05 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:29:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp client for vmware In-Reply-To: <1130652875.22271.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1130652875.22271.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1130732945.14175.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 01:14 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > Has anyone tried setting up a VMware virtual machine that does a PXE > or etherboot to come up as a thin client? It might be fun to try > that under the free vmware player for demos or situations where you > want access to both windows and client functions. Did that once for a presentation on LTSP to a local Linux Users Group. I had a preinstalled K12LTSP server running and PXE-booted a Vmware virtual machine on my laptop while using it to present the slides. Unfortunately the "magic" of Vmware overshadowed the rest of it a bit. From les at futuresource.com Mon Oct 31 05:01:27 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:01:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp client for vmware In-Reply-To: <1130732945.14175.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1130652875.22271.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1130732945.14175.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1130734887.2083.126.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 22:29, Michael C Wescott wrote: > On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 01:14 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > > Has anyone tried setting up a VMware virtual machine that does a PXE > > or etherboot to come up as a thin client? It might be fun to try > > that under the free vmware player for demos or situations where you > > want access to both windows and client functions. > > Did that once for a presentation on LTSP to a local Linux Users Group. I > had a preinstalled K12LTSP server running and PXE-booted a Vmware > virtual machine on my laptop while using it to present the slides. > Unfortunately the "magic" of Vmware overshadowed the rest of it a bit. Now that the player is free this might be a platform of choice for machines that run windows. You get the effect of dual-booting without having to reboot. I'm not sure how performance compares to running X on windows, but there would be some other side effects like working with TeacherTool. To make it work the way you'd want I suppose you have to find a way to run vmware tools in the session, though. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Mon Oct 31 05:48:40 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:48:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Painless backuppc demo setup Message-ID: <1130737719.2083.160.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> If anyone has been looking for a simple way to look at a working backuppc system, it just got easier. You can download the free VMware player from http://www.vmware.com and the 'Browser Appliance' virtual machine to use with it. You can run this with either a Windows or Linux box as the host, but the virtual machine turns out to be a Unbuntu Linux installation. Since that is debian based it has access to all the same additional packages and you can open a root terminal window (password 'vmware') and 'apt-get update ; apt-get install backuppc' and after a while you'll have everything you need installed. I'm not sure how big the virtual disk can grow so this probably isn't suitable for production use, but its a non-destructive way to try things out. Note that the debian installation relocates some things compared to the standard documentation, though. This applies to anything else you could do under Ubuntu as well - if you are just curios about the distribution in general this is a quick way to check it out. Go to System/Administration/Synaptic Package Manager and pick what else you want installed. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 07:12:08 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:12:08 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: <43614566.107@codeweavers.com> References: <236rb3rgdfbi288.271020051217@mail> <43610942.5020304@codeweavers.com> <43611D69.4050204@codeweavers.com> <20051027211201.GC9740@sonic.net> <43614566.107@codeweavers.com> Message-ID: <4365C3C8.4020009@gmail.com> Jeremy White wrote: >>>>What Windows educational programs have you got running? >>>> >>>> >>>So far, not a heck of a lot. Some Jumpstart; >>>Acclerated Reader is reported to work. We're >>>hoping to rapidly change that, though. >>> >>> >-----8<----- > > >The vast great unwashed are in the category >of 'untested', which means they've got about >a 50/50 chance of working. > Ah, yes. The infamous '*Schrodinger's* *Apps'. * -- Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting From daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 08:29:51 2005 From: daniel.r.kegel at gmail.com (Dan Kegel) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 00:29:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Idea for when Windows programs need to be run... In-Reply-To: References: <236rb3rgdfbi288.271020051217@mail> <43610942.5020304@codeweavers.com> Message-ID: On 10/27/05, Steve Hargadon wrote: > We've got three basic requirements we are seeing: > > 1. Using IE > 2. Downloading a client-side Windows program > 3. Running a Windows educational program As Jeremy said, IE requires a Windows license (remember, MS said it's built into Windows; the IE download is a core Windows update). Can you tease apart that IE requirement in a bit more detail? Let's figure out *why* e.g. Firefox won't do. Likewise, which apps are you talking about exactly in #2 and #3? I've done a bunch of Wine testing lately. My success rate this weekend is 2 out of 8 apps worked perfectly, five didn't install, and one locked up on the splash screen. My impression is, though, that Wine has very good bones, and is progressing rapidly. - Dan From big at santaz.dk Mon Oct 31 08:37:35 2005 From: big at santaz.dk (big at santaz.dk) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:37:35 +0100 (CET) Subject: [K12OSN] Join a win2k3 to a smbldap server Message-ID: <60718.80.209.212.150.1130747855.squirrel@webmail.berthit.dk> Hi i am having some troubles getting my Windows 2003 Terminal Server to join a smbldap server, its a fedora 3 with smbldap version 1.2 When i try to join the domain i type in root as username and my password but it just writes Logon failure: unknown username or password What is wrong cant i use a win2003 server?? Jesper Berth From ramonklown at pop.com.br Mon Oct 31 11:19:34 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:19:34 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Towards Linux Desktop Comfort In-Reply-To: References: <1130714772.82148d4daniel@solle.se> Message-ID: <10114.200.222.204.70.1130757574.squirrel@popmail6.pop.com.br> The biggest problem I see in the linux community is with users coming from windows with no knowledge on how a OS works. They have a good point, they are users they don't need to know how to deal with some issues. Like installing software shouldn't be hard, and many don't know that there's a solution to this. And to kill process there are a couple of solutions to user interface to this also. I think there should be a distro even more focused on the user, ubuntu is almost getting there, and mandriva also. > On 10/30/05, Daniel Hedblom wrote: >>> http://kegel.com/linux/comfort/ >> I think you make the same assumption many other do about Linux. >>That its supposed to be a drop in replacement of Windows. ... > > Interesting fact: one of the major goals of > Open Office 2.0 was to be more of a drop-in replacement > for Microsoft Office. They had tried being different for > years, and discovered that users simply didn't care to > spend the time to learn a different interface; they wanted > their old familiar one. > Does that mean Linux has to be just like Windows? > No. But it does mean that if you want people to use > you, you have to make the learning curve really, really easy > for users who are switching. > >>Microsoft is yesterdays news, we can stand here and wait or go ahead and make >>something better than they do. If we just mimic them all we ever will > accomplish is >>second hand stuff. Why follow when you can lead? > > I'm totally with you, but if we want to switch over millions of > people per year, we have to make sure they're comfortable > with the idea. Don't you agree? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From gumprechtm at msad3.org Mon Oct 31 11:19:56 2005 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:19:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Join a win2k3 to a smbldap server In-Reply-To: <60718.80.209.212.150.1130747855.squirrel@webmail.berthit.dk> References: <60718.80.209.212.150.1130747855.squirrel@webmail.berthit.dk> Message-ID: <4365FDDC.1090707@msad3.org> Did you add the machine to the ldap/smb server first? smbldap-useradd -w machinename Mark big at santaz.dk wrote: >Hi i am having some troubles getting my Windows 2003 Terminal Server to >join a smbldap server, its a fedora 3 with smbldap version 1.2 > >When i try to join the domain i type in root as username and my password >but it just writes > >Logon failure: unknown username or password > >What is wrong cant i use a win2003 server?? > >Jesper Berth > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Oct 31 11:01:27 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:01:27 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Join a win2k3 to a smbldap server Message-ID: <200510311308.j9VD8V401880@downeast.net> you ran smbpasswd -w root? chuck > Hi i am having some troubles getting my Windows 2003 Terminal Server to > join a smbldap server, its a fedora 3 with smbldap version 1.2 > > When i try to join the domain i type in root as username and my password > but it just writes > > Logon failure: unknown username or password > > What is wrong cant i use a win2003 server?? > > Jesper Berth > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Oct 31 11:35:03 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:35:03 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Join a win2k3 to a smbldap server Message-ID: <200510311342.j9VDg6404961@downeast.net> i dont know about 2003.b.ut all our 2000 server machines just joined...are you using the People or Computer container...early samba needed computers in People...chuck > Did you add the machine to the ldap/smb server first? > smbldap-useradd -w machinename > > Mark > > big at santaz.dk wrote: > > >Hi i am having some troubles getting my Windows 2003 Terminal Server to > >join a smbldap server, its a fedora 3 with smbldap version 1.2 > > > >When i try to join the domain i type in root as username and my password > >but it just writes > > > >Logon failure: unknown username or password > > > >What is wrong cant i use a win2003 server?? > > > >Jesper Berth > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msad3.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Mon Oct 31 12:43:47 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (James P Schwankl) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:43:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: is it just me? - can't download 4.4.1 Message-ID: <20051031124347.85293215@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> Dan Young wrote: James P Schwankl wrote: >> Dan Young wrote: >>>I just ftp'ed the 4.4.1 disc 1 and 2 isos OK. md5sums are OK. Rsync >>>seems to work too. >> >> OK.. thanks. I'll keep trying things differently from this end. Your >> being within the hosting district's network shouldn't introduce any >> factors that would skew the results, would it? > > I thought about that and performed those downloads via a tunnel to > outside the MESD firewall. > > Is rsync throwing any sort of error? Here's what I was doing: > rsync -avP \ > rsync://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/K12LTSP-4.4.1-disc1.iso \ > ./K12LTSP-4.4.1-disc1.iso Yes it was giving an error. I tried the command you used (I was previously using the command suggested on the k12ltsp download site) and here's the error that was generated: rsync: read error: Connection reset by peer (54) rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at /SourceCache/rsync/rsync-20/rsync/io.c(515) rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (62 bytes received so far) [generator] rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at /SourceCache/rsync/rsync-20/rsync/io.c(359) Peace, Jimmy +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Always proofread carefully to see if you any words out. ****This Message was sent through the Chatham County Schools E-Mail Server**** All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. From daniel at solle.se Mon Oct 31 12:44:39 2005 From: daniel at solle.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:44:39 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Towards Linux Desktop Comfort Message-ID: <1130762679.821326cdaniel@solle.se> I can nothing but agree that it should be simple to kill processes and installing software. But i do disagree that installing software in Linux is hard. Its different but in a good way. With eg. synaptic you have the whole debian repository at hand and its much easier to find an application in synaptic than to scavenge the net and download and install and getting it to work on Windows. Updates on linux really shines here, update every possible application with a simple keystroke instead of running around the net, testing patches and installing them manually. The only thing really needed is a big sign on the desktop saying KLICK HERE TO INSTALL SOFTWARE!!111. As for third party applications there are very easy ways of installing their software IF they want it to be easy. Its entirely possible to use for example the loki installer, autopackage or just make debs and rpms wich covers 90% of all the dists. The problem mostly lies in the installers proprietary vendors use (or dont use, tgz packages is not mandated in linux anymore), not linux in itself. That and that they dont really bother testing their apps regularly with new linux dists. Often its just a matter of recompiling once for every new major release. If Nvidia can why cant the others? A new shiny interface for installing apps wont help a bit here. Its true that some pieces needs polishing but thats a whole different thing than to make them Windows-like. And while we are at that, have you ever thought about how different XP is from 98? If the users managed that they will manage a move to linux as well. The real reason to move to Linux should not be to get a free Windows clone, it should be that linux is much better. Mimic something mediocre wont ever get it better. -----Original Message----- From: "Ramon" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:19:34 -0300 (EST) Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: Towards Linux Desktop Comfort The biggest problem I see in the linux community is with users coming from windows with no knowledge on how a OS works. They have a good point, they are users they don't need to know how to deal with some issues. Like installing software shouldn't be hard, and many don't know that there's a solution to this. And to kill process there are a couple of solutions to user interface to this also. I think there should be a distro even more focused on the user, ubuntu is almost getting there, and mandriva also. > On 10/30/05, Daniel Hedblom wrote: >>> http://kegel.com/linux/comfort/ >> I think you make the same assumption many other do about Linux. >>That its supposed to be a drop in replacement of Windows. ... > > Interesting fact: one of the major goals of > Open Office 2.0 was to be more of a drop-in replacement > for Microsoft Office. They had tried being different for > years, and discovered that users simply didn't care to > spend the time to learn a different interface; they wanted > their old familiar one. > Does that mean Linux has to be just like Windows? > No. But it does mean that if you want people to use > you, you have to make the learning curve really, really easy > for users who are switching. > >>Microsoft is yesterdays news, we can stand here and wait or go ahead and make >>something better than they do. If we just mimic them all we ever will > accomplish is >>second hand stuff. Why follow when you can lead? > > I'm totally with you, but if we want to switch over millions of > people per year, we have to make sure they're comfortable > with the idea. Don't you agree? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From veewee77 at alltel.net Mon Oct 31 12:47:29 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:47:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Join a win2k3 to a smbldap server In-Reply-To: <60718.80.209.212.150.1130747855.squirrel@webmail.berthit.dk> References: <60718.80.209.212.150.1130747855.squirrel@webmail.berthit.dk> Message-ID: <43661261.8010200@alltel.net> Don't forget tht if you are not an admin user on the samba box, you won't be able to join computers to the domain. Under the general exction put a line: admin users = loginname1, loginname2, loginname3 For however many you want to be admin users on that domain. Or, add root to samba like: smbpasswd -a root then key root's password when asked, twice. then: admin users = root, loginname1, loginname2 Hope this helps. . . Doug big at santaz.dk wrote: >Hi i am having some troubles getting my Windows 2003 Terminal Server to >join a smbldap server, its a fedora 3 with smbldap version 1.2 > >When i try to join the domain i type in root as username and my password >but it just writes > >Logon failure: unknown username or password > >What is wrong cant i use a win2003 server?? > >Jesper Berth > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From big at santaz.dk Mon Oct 31 15:35:36 2005 From: big at santaz.dk (Jesper Berth) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:35:36 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Join a win2k3 to a smbldap server In-Reply-To: <4365FDDC.1090707@msad3.org> References: <60718.80.209.212.150.1130747855.squirrel@webmail.berthit.dk> <4365FDDC.1090707@msad3.org> Message-ID: <436639C8.8020704@santaz.dk> Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Did you add the machine to the ldap/smb server first? > smbldap-useradd -w machinename Yes i did add the machine first Jesper > > Mark > > big at santaz.dk wrote: > >> Hi i am having some troubles getting my Windows 2003 Terminal Server to >> join a smbldap server, its a fedora 3 with smbldap version 1.2 >> >> When i try to join the domain i type in root as username and my password >> but it just writes >> >> Logon failure: unknown username or password >> >> What is wrong cant i use a win2003 server?? >> >> Jesper Berth >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > From big at santaz.dk Mon Oct 31 15:38:42 2005 From: big at santaz.dk (Jesper Berth) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:38:42 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Join a win2k3 to a smbldap server In-Reply-To: <43661261.8010200@alltel.net> References: <60718.80.209.212.150.1130747855.squirrel@webmail.berthit.dk> <43661261.8010200@alltel.net> Message-ID: <43663A82.7020608@santaz.dk> Isn't root an admin user as default when you install using the smbldad-installer ?? I will try this the next time i get up to the school Thanks Jesper Doug Simpson wrote: > Don't forget tht if you are not an admin user on the samba box, you > won't be able to join computers to the domain. > > Under the general exction put a line: > > admin users = loginname1, loginname2, loginname3 > > For however many you want to be admin users on that domain. > > Or, add root to samba like: > > smbpasswd -a root > > then key root's password when asked, twice. > > then: > > admin users = root, loginname1, loginname2 > > Hope this helps. . . > > Doug > > big at santaz.dk wrote: > >> Hi i am having some troubles getting my Windows 2003 Terminal Server to >> join a smbldap server, its a fedora 3 with smbldap version 1.2 >> >> When i try to join the domain i type in root as username and my password >> but it just writes >> >> Logon failure: unknown username or password >> >> What is wrong cant i use a win2003 server?? >> >> Jesper Berth >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From big at santaz.dk Mon Oct 31 15:39:59 2005 From: big at santaz.dk (Jesper Berth) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:39:59 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Join a win2k3 to a smbldap server In-Reply-To: <200510311342.j9VDg6404961@downeast.net> References: <200510311342.j9VDg6404961@downeast.net> Message-ID: <43663ACF.3050905@santaz.dk> cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >i dont know about 2003.b.ut all our 2000 server machines just joined...are >you using the People or Computer container...early samba needed computers >in People...chuck > > > I am not sure what you mean about Computers in People, but i can add that i have joined an XP computer with the same username and pw Jesper >>Did you add the machine to the ldap/smb server first? >>smbldap-useradd -w machinename >> >>Mark >> >>big at santaz.dk wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi i am having some troubles getting my Windows 2003 Terminal Server to >>>join a smbldap server, its a fedora 3 with smbldap version 1.2 >>> >>>When i try to join the domain i type in root as username and my password >>>but it just writes >>> >>>Logon failure: unknown username or password >>> >>>What is wrong cant i use a win2003 server?? >>> >>>Jesper Berth >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Mark Gumprecht >>Data Systems Specialist >>MSAD3 >>Unity, ME >>gumprechtm at msad3.org >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From lighthumor at hotmail.com Mon Oct 31 14:03:25 2005 From: lighthumor at hotmail.com (light being) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:03:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP access to floppy disks; accents in filenames Message-ID: Does anyone know of some other setup than mtoolsFM for terminals, that confuses users less? Is there a trick for fixing the problems with accents in filenames? Make the linux charset the same as in windows? Is openoffice 2.0 more compatible with msoffice documents? I'm in a cybercafe - many people come, floppy disk in hand, to open a resume -a Word document- edit it, and email it. People can?t figure out how to use MtoolsFM GUI - they need help. It?s too different from what happens in wintel-land for them, they get confused. Yes, newbie users. I can put the diskette into the server - making it available on all terminals. There are problems with filenames with accents in them, files can't be opened, read, copied, or something. (We?re in brazil; filenames often get accents on wintel boxes here - e.g. 'curr?culo-maria.doc' or 's?opaulo.xls') Floppy disks invariably can?t be read - or worse, can be read on some computers, others not. People can?t figure out how to do what they want in openoffice - or it sometimes isn't entirely compatible it seems, paragraphs, accents, graphic objects in files move to different places, etc.... From rmcdaniel at indata.us Mon Oct 31 15:18:48 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:18:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] pointer movement Message-ID: <20051031081848.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.309a4f9b03.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Our students keep clicking on the Writer Icon to start up the program not realizing that the application is "Starting Up". Is there a way to make the pointer spin or do some kind of Windoze action to let the user know that the application is starting? Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Oct 31 15:27:04 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:27:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] pointer movement In-Reply-To: <20051031081848.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.309a4f9b03.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20051031081848.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.309a4f9b03.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: Just tell them that if they did in fact click it, to wait at least 30 seconds for the splash screen or it will crash the computers at NORAD. Just tell them to wait after clicking it only once since any consecutive clicks causes it to load more than one copy, slowing it down even further. One way to make it a bit faster is to already have one client running it when they get there. Say on the teacher's computer, minimized. OpenOffice is one of the applications that can share code and once it is loaded, the next loads will go faster because it only has to do the user-specicif stuff instead of a complete new load. Guys? Let me know if this has changed! Seems this way on my server at home. . .First opens slow, consecutive ones open faster. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Our students keep clicking on the Writer Icon to start up the program > not realizing that the application is "Starting Up". Is there a way to > make the pointer spin or do some kind of Windoze action to let the user > know that the application is starting? > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From schultzj at noc.vnet-inc.com Mon Oct 31 15:41:30 2005 From: schultzj at noc.vnet-inc.com (Joshua) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:41:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: <20051031154127.C795BF3742@noc.vnet-inc.com> We have K12LTSP setup in our Tech Assistance Center here where we have 16 clients running. We also have VMware Workstation 5 setup on 5 users. Our core OS is Fedora Core 3. When a tech needs to reference a windows OS they simply bring up a terminal and start Workstation and then select the OS they want to use. It works great!! Initially when we were testing the VMware with K12LTSP we accidentally opened up a virtual machine and yes, it did boot a LTSP client. So what we had was a LTSP client running a virtual machine with another LTSP client inside the virtual machine and it ran great. Joshua Schultz schultzj at noc.vnet-inc.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LarryM at fsusd.k12.ca.us Mon Oct 31 15:57:40 2005 From: LarryM at fsusd.k12.ca.us (Larry Mateo) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:57:40 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] pointer movement Message-ID: We have experienced the same behavior--by StarOffice and students. Our solution is to have the students right-click the appropriate icon and select "Open" from the floating menu. There still isn't a desktop indicator that the application is loading, but the students now avoid starting multiple instances of the same program. > Our students keep clicking on the Writer Icon to start up the program > not realizing that the application is "Starting Up". Is there a way to > make the pointer spin or do some kind of Windoze action to let the user > know that the application is starting? > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see Larry Mateo Network Technician II Fairfield-Suisun Unified School District larrym at fsusd.k12.ca.us From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Mon Oct 31 15:55:02 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:55:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Cron-Error Message-ID: <200510311637.j9VGb8Ij002472@mx1.redhat.com> Hello List, Can anyone tell me what this error is about. Error: stat of /var/log/schoolbell/*.log failed: No such file or directory I have K12 Fedora 3 installed running as my samba-ldap server. Thanks -mark From petre at maltzen.net Mon Oct 31 17:08:44 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:08:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Cron-Error In-Reply-To: <200510311637.j9VGb8Ij002472@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200510311637.j9VGb8Ij002472@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <43664F9C.4030404@maltzen.net> The system's daily maintenance cron jobs are stored in /etc/cron.daily. Included in there is logrotate, used for rotating logs so they don't fill up the disk(s). When logrotate is called, it looks in /etc/logrotate.d/ to see what log files it should rotate. One of the scripts in /etc/logrotate.d/ is schoolbell. If you look at /etc/logrotate.d/schoolbell, you'll see that it says schoolbells log files are /var/log/schoolbell/*.log. But I suspect your system may be missing the /var/log/schoolbell directory, or there are no *.log files within it. So, it spits out the error. If you're not running schoolbell, you could just remove the /etc/logrotate.d/schoolbell script. Petre he schoolbell script that's in /etc/logrotate.d Mark Sarria wrote: > Hello List, > > Can anyone tell me what this error is about. > > Error: stat of /var/log/schoolbell/*.log failed: No such file or directory > > I have K12 Fedora 3 installed running as my samba-ldap server. > > Thanks > > -mark > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 17:37:01 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:37:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP access to floppy disks; accents in filenames In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4366563D.1000005@gmail.com> light being wrote: > Does anyone know of some other setup than mtoolsFM for terminals, that > confuses users less? > > Is there a trick for fixing the problems with accents in filenames? > Make the linux charset the same as in windows? > > Is openoffice 2.0 more compatible with msoffice documents? > > I'm in a cybercafe - many people come, floppy disk in hand, to open a > resume -a Word document- edit it, and email it. > > People can?t figure out how to use MtoolsFM GUI - they need help. > It?s too different from what happens in wintel-land for them, they get > confused. Yes, newbie users. > > I can put the diskette into the server - making it available on all > terminals. > > There are problems with filenames with accents in them, files can't be > opened, read, copied, or something. (We?re in brazil; filenames often > get accents on wintel boxes here - e.g. 'curr?culo-maria.doc' or > 's?opaulo.xls') > > Floppy disks invariably can?t be read - or worse, can be read on some > computers, others not. > > People can?t figure out how to do what they want in openoffice - or it > sometimes isn't entirely compatible it seems, paragraphs, accents, > graphic objects in files move to different places, etc.... OTTOMH, the quickest way would be to use WINe + explorer.exe(or whatever) to copy/rename the file(s) to something that Linux likes. -- Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Oct 31 17:46:41 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:46:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Join a win2k3 to a smbldap server In-Reply-To: <43661261.8010200@alltel.net> References: <60718.80.209.212.150.1130747855.squirrel@webmail.berthit.dk> <43661261.8010200@alltel.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Mon Oct 31 2005 at 08:47 +0000 wrote: > >smbpasswd -a root Not unusual...happens sometimes....simply run smbpasswd -a root for some reason something gets corrupt and you simply need to redo the password...remember to make it the same as the one you specified when running the installer. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Oct 31 17:51:04 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:51:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Join a win2k3 to a smbldap server In-Reply-To: <43663ACF.3050905@santaz.dk> References: <200510311342.j9VDg6404961@downeast.net> <43663ACF.3050905@santaz.dk> Message-ID: Don't make this more difficult than it needs to be...simply run smbpasswd -a root to fix the root password....it get's screwed up sometimes....also consider turning nscd off chkconfig --level 2345 nscd off "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Mon Oct 31 2005 at 11:39 +0000 wrote: >cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > >>i dont know about 2003.b.ut all our 2000 server machines just >joined...are >>you using the People or Computer container...early samba needed computers >>in People...chuck >> >> >> >I am not sure what you mean about Computers in People, but i can add >that i have joined an XP computer with the same username and pw > >Jesper > >>>Did you add the machine to the ldap/smb server first? >>>smbldap-useradd -w machinename >>> >>>Mark >>> >>>big at santaz.dk wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi i am having some troubles getting my Windows 2003 Terminal Server to >>>>join a smbldap server, its a fedora 3 with smbldap version 1.2 >>>> >>>>When i try to join the domain i type in root as username and my >password >>>>but it just writes >>>> >>>>Logon failure: unknown username or password >>>> >>>>What is wrong cant i use a win2003 server?? >>>> >>>>Jesper Berth >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>-- >>>Mark Gumprecht >>>Data Systems Specialist >>>MSAD3 >>>Unity, ME >>>gumprechtm at msad3.org >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>--------------------------------------------- >>This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >>http://ellsworthme.com/ >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Oct 31 20:06:55 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:06:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Cron-Error In-Reply-To: <43664F9C.4030404@maltzen.net> References: <200510311637.j9VGb8Ij002472@mx1.redhat.com> <43664F9C.4030404@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4366795F.7080809@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > The system's daily maintenance cron jobs are stored in /etc/cron.daily. > Included in there is logrotate, used for rotating logs so they don't > fill up the disk(s). When logrotate is called, it looks in > /etc/logrotate.d/ to see what log files it should rotate. One of the > scripts in /etc/logrotate.d/ is schoolbell. If you look at > /etc/logrotate.d/schoolbell, you'll see that it says schoolbells log > files are /var/log/schoolbell/*.log. But I suspect your system may be > missing the /var/log/schoolbell directory, or there are no *.log files > within it. So, it spits out the error. If you're not running > schoolbell, you could just remove the /etc/logrotate.d/schoolbell script. > > Petre > > he schoolbell script that's in /etc/logrotate.d > > Mark Sarria wrote: > >> Hello List, >> >> Can anyone tell me what this error is about. >> >> Error: stat of /var/log/schoolbell/*.log failed: No such file or >> directory >> >> I have K12 Fedora 3 installed running as my samba-ldap server. >> >> Thanks >> >> -mark Removing /etc/logrotate.d/schoolbell would do the trick. The next time I rebuild the packages, I'll add "missingok" to /etc/logrotate.d/schoolbell and /etc/logrotate.d/schooltool so they won't generate this meaningless error... -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It might be fun to try > > > that under the free vmware player for demos or situations where you > > > want access to both windows and client functions. > > > > Did that once for a presentation on LTSP to a local Linux Users Group. I > > had a preinstalled K12LTSP server running and PXE-booted a Vmware > > virtual machine on my laptop while using it to present the slides. > > Unfortunately the "magic" of Vmware overshadowed the rest of it a bit. > > Now that the player is free this might be a platform of choice > for machines that run windows. You get the effect of dual-booting > without having to reboot. I'm not sure how performance compares > to running X on windows, but there would be some other side > effects like working with TeacherTool. To make it work the > way you'd want I suppose you have to find a way to run > vmware tools in the session, though. An Xserver on windows would certainly be faster. Only where you want to run a Linux app locally would there be some utility. Is that the reason for the comment about teachertool? But if you're going that far, why not come up with a Vmware virtual machine that acts as a client? And a Virtual machine that's a server might be good for demo purposes as well. From les at futuresource.com Mon Oct 31 23:33:16 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:33:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp client for vmware In-Reply-To: <1130797900.16488.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1130652875.22271.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1130732945.14175.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1130734887.2083.126.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1130797900.16488.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1130801596.3462.69.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 16:31, Michael C Wescott wrote: > > > > Now that the player is free this might be a platform of choice > > for machines that run windows. You get the effect of dual-booting > > without having to reboot. I'm not sure how performance compares > > to running X on windows, but there would be some other side > > effects like working with TeacherTool. To make it work the > > way you'd want I suppose you have to find a way to run > > vmware tools in the session, though. > > An Xserver on windows would certainly be faster. Only where you want to > run a Linux app locally would there be some utility. Is that the reason > for the comment about teachertool? But if you're going that far, why not > come up with a Vmware virtual machine that acts as a client? I think that's what I meant in the first place: a virtual machine that PXE or etherboots to run as a thin client. You could install vmplayer and copy this virtual machine on your windows boxes to run as a client without having to reboot or lose access to windows apps. > And a Virtual machine that's a server might be good for demo purposes as > well. And testing. It should be legal to build a downloadable image of an installed server that anyone could use without much setup. You'd just have to be careful not to get a DHCP server running on the wrong network. Running on an odd port might work. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dan_hopson at hotmail.com Mon Oct 31 22:57:23 2005 From: dan_hopson at hotmail.com (Dan Hopson) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:57:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] driver for parallel HP Laserjet 4L Message-ID: Can anyone help me with finding a driver for an HP Laserjet 4L to work with K12LTSP server? It has a parallel connection. Thanks. Dan.