From les at futuresource.com Thu Sep 1 00:04:36 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:04:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell GX1 PII 400mhz Small Form Computer PC In-Reply-To: References: <200508312311.j7VNBFUD003424@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1125533076.29501.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 18:17, Steve Hargadon wrote: > I could be wrong, but I don't know that I've ever seen a small form > factor GX1--I think at about that time there was another small form > factor model for the Optiplexes, but there weren't many bouncing > around the used market. It's more likely a low-profile unit? I think there were at least 3 form factors for the GX1's. A full height desktop, a low profile desktop (still pretty big) and a tower. All hefty, nearly bulletproof boxes. > With the GX1, my experience is that some had onboard 3com nics, some > had added pci cards (typically 3c905b-tx). If it has the onboard nic, > typically will pxe boot. Older boxes will probably need a flash update to pxe boot. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bklinux at verizon.net Thu Sep 1 00:54:30 2005 From: bklinux at verizon.net (Byron Kapali) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:54:30 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Remove desktop icon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43165146.8080806@verizon.net> Kevin, If you look at the script for push-icon...it saves the icons in a folder (don't have K12 in front of me now so I don't know exactly where it is) but once you open that folder then you can delete to your hearts content. As soon as I get back to school I'll email you the folder path...in the mean time...take a look a the script. Byron Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Hello to you all, > > i've seen tried and used the push-icon-to-users-desktop script and > it's really amazing. > > but .... > > Is there a similar delete script (off course which will work only if > the links has not been renamed :-) so an icon gets removed from the > users desktop? > > Kevin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 02:21:33 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:21:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <20050829160047.D94DB7361C@hormel.redhat.com> <1125339334.20652.21.camel@server-01.cwc.edu> <92de6c8805082911303f31255f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 8/31/05, Lee Myrick wrote: > > I've had a K12LTSP server up and running with no problems for almost a > year now. Our school directors came to me with a new request last week: > they would like me to setup an attendance program that can be accessed > by each teacher from one of the ltsp stations in their areas. > No point in reinventing the wheel. Check out Schooltool http://www.schooltool.org/ -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All hefty, nearly bulletproof boxes. > > > >>With the GX1, my experience is that some had onboard 3com nics, some >>had added pci cards (typically 3c905b-tx). If it has the onboard nic, >>typically will pxe boot. >> >> > >Older boxes will probably need a flash update to pxe boot. > > > That's true. I ran into that during one of my demos. A quick BIOS update fixed the issue. Once flashed, though, they make great terminals. So do HP Vectras, BTW, though these often have enough CPU and DRAM oomph to be good thick clients as well. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Sep 1 02:24:12 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Childsplay...never mind...figured it out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, David Trask wrote: > I figured out how to get Childsplay to do what I wanted....I changed > /usr/bin/childsplay to > > #!/bin/sh > /usr/lib/childsplay/childsplay.py $* & > > (Note: the * and &) > > then running childsplay --window works fine now Thanks for catching that David! I built childsplay 0.8.3.1 packages and am adding to the repository... -Eric From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Sep 1 03:02:55 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:02:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: <20050831200255.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.c050d152d4.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The problem > is that sometimes we don't get our instructions right. Cant have put better than that! -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Sep 1 04:07:32 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] schooltool daemon In-Reply-To: References: <9bd3175605083017252e32edae@mail.gmail.com> <92de6c880508301737209054fa@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050830175628cfbb8a@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605083018167f41cc8a@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560508302047374c8626@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050830210468d0eb5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > I built new packages that make sure that the *.pyc files are replaced. > > It also shaves a full second off the schooltool/schoolbell startup time! ;-) I made several additional improvements to my schooltool/schoolbell packages. The latest-and-greatest test packages are available at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ -Eric From lee at renarts.org Thu Sep 1 05:52:15 2005 From: lee at renarts.org (Lee Myrick) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:52:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Web-based attendance with K12ltsp In-Reply-To: References: <20050829160047.D94DB7361C@hormel.redhat.com> <1125339334.20652.21.camel@server-01.cwc.edu> <92de6c8805082911303f31255f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8dccd8f9935a224cab237f123a2d0681@renarts.org> For a web-based solution my first preference would be to build it myself--then I know it inside out and can fix and change it as needed. Much harder to do with some else's code. Lee On Aug 31, 2005, at 7:21 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > On 8/31/05, Lee Myrick wrote: >> year now. Our school directors came to me with a new request last >> week: >> they would like me to setup an attendance program that can be accessed >> by each teacher from one of the ltsp stations in their areas. > > No point in reinventing the wheel. Check out Schooltool > http://www.schooltool.org/ Lee Myrick Information Technology Coordinator Renaissance Arts Academy lee at renarts.org http://www.renarts.org 626-564-0902 home office 323-259-5700 school site From thepiano at telenet.be Thu Sep 1 06:42:39 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:42:39 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] URGENT: ldap server sops working at schoolstart Message-ID: <3D88A2CF-20A2-442F-9400-469406297263@telenet.be> I'm having a major problem/ My ldap server suddenly stopped working this morning, just one hour before official school start. All went well before, but I can't even get into teh operating system. The server hangs after a reboot when trying to start the LDAP server. It all started when trying to modify some user with the smbldap- usermod script, endig each time with error at line 471 in smbldap- tools.pm Please, is there anyone who could offer me fast help or telephone support? Kevin From thepiano at telenet.be Thu Sep 1 06:45:23 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:45:23 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] greylisting bij redhat Message-ID: anyone els having problems to send messages to the list? greylisting by redhat.com? Kevin From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Sep 1 09:45:27 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 05:45:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] URGENT: ldap server sops working at schoolstart In-Reply-To: <3D88A2CF-20A2-442F-9400-469406297263@telenet.be> References: <3D88A2CF-20A2-442F-9400-469406297263@telenet.be> Message-ID: <4316CDB7.6060402@msln.net> I had some what the same issue. I started up in interactive mode (centos4ltsp), bypassed the starting of the ldap stuff. Then I ran db_recover, in my case it didn't help because I tried to fix it BEFORE reading all the possibilities outlined in the help docs http://www.sleepycat.com/docs/utility/db_recover.html HTH Mark Kevin Verheyen wrote: > I'm having a major problem/ > > My ldap server suddenly stopped working this morning, just one hour > before official school start. > All went well before, but I can't even get into teh operating system. > > The server hangs after a reboot when trying to start the LDAP server. > It all started when trying to modify some user with the smbldap- > usermod script, endig each time with error at line 471 in smbldap- > tools.pm > > Please, is there anyone who could offer me fast help or telephone > support? > > > Kevin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Thu Sep 1 11:47:38 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 06:47:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hurricane help Message-ID: <200509011143.j81BhMk13062@www.mi-spot.com> If I had the means or contacts, I'd make this happen myself, but is there anyone in the areas where hurricane refugees are located who has thought of setting up k12ltsp? Could be for an e-mail garden, or even temporary classrooms. I heard Houston, TX is going to try and do something about schooling for the kids being relocated to the Astrodome. Anyone have an idea on how I might be able to take this idea further? Eric Brown Viva la Open Source! From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Sep 1 12:11:14 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 07:11:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Hurricane help In-Reply-To: <200509011143.j81BhMk13062@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200509011143.j81BhMk13062@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: JUST DO IT! I wish I could help! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Eric Brown wrote: > If I had the means or contacts, I'd make this happen myself, but is there > anyone in the areas where hurricane refugees are located who has thought of > setting up k12ltsp? Could be for an e-mail garden, or even temporary > classrooms. I heard Houston, TX is going to try and do something about > schooling for the kids being relocated to the Astrodome. > > Anyone have an idea on how I might be able to take this idea further? > > Eric Brown > > Viva la Open Source! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ccraig at safedesksolutions.com Thu Sep 1 13:36:39 2005 From: ccraig at safedesksolutions.com (Curt Craig) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 06:36:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Indiana State-wide Linux Desktop Initiative Message-ID: <200509010636.39226.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> Not an LTSP model, but another example of migration to Linux/OS in education. (They've chosen to use Novell's SuSE Linux, which is what we use in our LTSP model) http://www.eschoolnews.com/news/showStory.cfm?ArticleID=5837 PS. The article details some of the educator's points of resistance; not noted is the fact that the initiative calls for purchasing new DESKS! for every desktop, which, according to my contacts, is another big reason for objecting...too much $$$ bundled in for an Linux solution! -- Curt Craig SafeDesk Solutions 866-465-8636 509-536-0565 (fax) www.safedesksolutions.com From thepiano at telenet.be Thu Sep 1 13:54:54 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:54:54 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] URGENT: ldap server sops working at schoolstart In-Reply-To: <4316CDB7.6060402@msln.net> References: <3D88A2CF-20A2-442F-9400-469406297263@telenet.be> <4316CDB7.6060402@msln.net> Message-ID: <8CAB075E-4AE2-4390-AF16-6AFEDDEEEB62@telenet.be> Thnx for all your help. Got the soultion, had nothing to do with ldap :-( One of my backupscripts had failed to reach the destination host and copied all of its contents in the root directory , wich caused the hd to get as full as possible... Stupid me, so i removed all rubbish, recovered the db and now all is fine. Thnx for all your quick help !! Kevin Op 1-sep-05, om 11:45 heeft Mark Gumprecht het volgende geschreven: > I had some what the same issue. I started up in interactive mode > (centos4ltsp), bypassed the starting of the ldap stuff. Then I ran > db_recover, in my case it didn't help because I tried to fix it > BEFORE reading all the possibilities outlined in the help docs > http://www.sleepycat.com/docs/utility/db_recover.html > HTH > Mark > > Kevin Verheyen wrote: > > > >> I'm having a major problem/ >> >> My ldap server suddenly stopped working this morning, just one >> hour before official school start. >> All went well before, but I can't even get into teh operating system. >> >> The server hangs after a reboot when trying to start the LDAP server. >> It all started when trying to modify some user with the smbldap- >> usermod script, endig each time with error at line 471 in smbldap- >> tools.pm >> >> Please, is there anyone who could offer me fast help or telephone >> support? >> >> >> Kevin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msln.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From smooge at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 14:15:11 2005 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:15:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Hurricane help In-Reply-To: <200509011143.j81BhMk13062@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200509011143.j81BhMk13062@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <80d7e4090509010715529122ee@mail.gmail.com> The best way to do this is to get a sponsoring corporation or organization to help on this. You are going to have to get ok from the Red Cross for putting something into the area as they are going completely crazy at the moment with the number of people they are going to have to house. Having a company or organization helps get their attention. The company can help you get the computers and other stuff. One thing I want to say is that people doing this need to step up to the plate and not disappear in a day or two. Make sure you have volunteers that will show up.. and that you are ready to deal with people who are pushed to their limits already (e.g they will be cranky, more pushy and stuff). The best thing here to say is dont use anything bleeding edge as they dont need more stuff that is broken. If you are in the Texas area, work with a local organization (church, school, company) that will 'sponsor' you, and then start making calls to the Department of Education about how to get this in their hands. See if you can contact someone at Dell about where they sell/store really old computers that would make a good tax write-off and would be good to run K12 tools. Thats about all I can think off the top of my head.. On 9/1/05, Eric Brown wrote: > If I had the means or contacts, I'd make this happen myself, but is there > anyone in the areas where hurricane refugees are located who has thought of > setting up k12ltsp? Could be for an e-mail garden, or even temporary > classrooms. I heard Houston, TX is going to try and do something about > schooling for the kids being relocated to the Astrodome. > > Anyone have an idea on how I might be able to take this idea further? > > Eric Brown > > Viva la Open Source! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Stephen J Smoogen. CSIRT/Linux System Administrator From fhkms at adelphia.net Thu Sep 1 14:24:48 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:24:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] making squid proxy transparent Message-ID: <1281533.1125584688657.JavaMail.root@web3.mail.adelphia.net> Happy Thursday all! I have webming going on my k12ltsp 4.4.0 box. I have squid enabled. I have dansguardian enabled. I'm only having a couple problems at this point. When I am at pages such as: https://localhost.localdomain:10000/dansguardian/editfiles.cgi I cannot edit the files. it says: You are not authorized to use this section Why is this? I am the root user. Also, Dansguardian is not filtering. Do I have to reboot? Finally, the internet is working on my workstations, but I have a few standalone windows machines in the school where the internet is not working. I figure this is because squid is not configured to be transparent. How, through webmin, do I make squid transparent? Thanks all! From smooge at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 14:32:13 2005 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:32:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Hurricane help In-Reply-To: <80d7e4090509010715529122ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <200509011143.j81BhMk13062@www.mi-spot.com> <80d7e4090509010715529122ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <80d7e4090509010732c09ed26@mail.gmail.com> Another step that people who are not near the area could do is help make a demo system ready and the steps for doing this to be duplicated at the various relief areas from Georgia to Texas. Put together a lot of edutainment and other items.. make sure that the items are cute and cuddly and the default desktop tones are relaxing colors. Help the main K12 people with a page or two of how to install it. It might make more sense to have a K12 version versus the LTSP for some areas. Getting internet access or even switches/hubs may not be possible for some locations. Other things people can work on is short instruction sheets and certain prepackaging of itmes like timers and signup sheets. If this were to go at the Astrodome, there would be 20,000 people to serve (about 8,000-16,000 children by one loose estimate). How long can a child get a turn, how many computers are needed per 'village', a faq for a non-geek volunteer to be able to answer questions. People who do go to these shelters need to work with the main staff about where to point people who are in mental distress or how to answer hard questions like "Do you know when I get to go home? Do I have a home?" On 9/1/05, Stephen J. Smoogen wrote: > The best way to do this is to get a sponsoring corporation or > organization to help on this. You are going to have to get ok from the > Red Cross for putting something into the area as they are going > completely crazy at the moment with the number of people they are > going to have to house. Having a company or organization helps get > their attention. The company can help you get the computers and other > stuff. > > One thing I want to say is that people doing this need to step up to > the plate and not disappear in a day or two. Make sure you have > volunteers that will show up.. and that you are ready to deal with > people who are pushed to their limits already (e.g they will be > cranky, more pushy and stuff). The best thing here to say is dont use > anything bleeding edge as they dont need more stuff that is broken. > > If you are in the Texas area, work with a local organization (church, > school, company) that will 'sponsor' you, and then start making calls > to the Department of Education about how to get this in their hands. > See if you can contact someone at Dell about where they sell/store > really old computers that would make a good tax write-off and would be > good to run K12 tools. > > Thats about all I can think off the top of my head.. > > On 9/1/05, Eric Brown wrote: > > If I had the means or contacts, I'd make this happen myself, but is there > > anyone in the areas where hurricane refugees are located who has thought of > > setting up k12ltsp? Could be for an e-mail garden, or even temporary > > classrooms. I heard Houston, TX is going to try and do something about > > schooling for the kids being relocated to the Astrodome. > > > > Anyone have an idea on how I might be able to take this idea further? > > > > Eric Brown > > > > Viva la Open Source! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > -- > Stephen J Smoogen. > CSIRT/Linux System Administrator > -- Stephen J Smoogen. CSIRT/Linux System Administrator From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Sep 1 14:56:29 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 07:56:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <20050829160047.D94DB7361C@hormel.redhat.com> <1125339334.20652.21.camel@server-01.cwc.edu> <92de6c8805082911303f31255f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4317169D.9070208@paasda.org> moodle also has an attendance module Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > On 8/31/05, *Lee Myrick* > wrote: > > I've had a K12LTSP server up and running with no problems for almost a > year now. Our school directors came to me with a new request last week: > they would like me to setup an attendance program that can be accessed > by each teacher from one of the ltsp stations in their areas. > > > No point in reinventing the wheel. Check out Schooltool > http://www.schooltool.org/ > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Sep 1 15:03:55 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 08:03:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Hurricane help In-Reply-To: <200509011143.j81BhMk13062@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200509011143.j81BhMk13062@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <4317185B.4090506@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Eric Brown wrote: > If I had the means or contacts, I'd make this happen myself, but is there > anyone in the areas where hurricane refugees are located who has thought of > setting up k12ltsp? Could be for an e-mail garden, or even temporary > classrooms. I heard Houston, TX is going to try and do something about > schooling for the kids being relocated to the Astrodome. > > Anyone have an idea on how I might be able to take this idea further? > > Eric Brown > > Viva la Open Source! > George Kocke (webmaster at vol.org), one of our own here on the K12LTSP list, lives in New Orleans. He dropped me a line saying he is doing fine, but will be off-line for a while. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 17:04:36 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 13:04:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] how's this raid setup? Message-ID: <9bd317560509011004477f46e7@mail.gmail.com> How does his look to you guys? I have 4 sata channels at the moment maybe more to come. Will this setup still allow me the speed increase of striping even though my mirror is 7200rpm? (I'm pretty sure the answer is yes but I want to make sure) Assuming there's no performance hit with the 7200rpm, how much use of LVM, if any, can I use for /home, if for instance I wanted to add 2 more 74g in raid 0 and another 120g to mirror? 1 74g (10k rpm) for OS minus /home (with a cold spare imaged with dd) 2 74g (10k rpm) in raid 0 for /home using <60g 1 120g 7200rpm to mirror /home Thank you, Peter From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 17:08:41 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 13:08:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Web-based attendance with K12ltsp In-Reply-To: <8dccd8f9935a224cab237f123a2d0681@renarts.org> References: <20050829160047.D94DB7361C@hormel.redhat.com> <1125339334.20652.21.camel@server-01.cwc.edu> <92de6c8805082911303f31255f@mail.gmail.com> <8dccd8f9935a224cab237f123a2d0681@renarts.org> Message-ID: <92de6c8805090110087e5072d6@mail.gmail.com> > On Aug 31, 2005, at 7:21 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > > > > > On 8/31/05, Lee Myrick wrote: > >> year now. Our school directors came to me with a new request last > >> week: > >> they would like me to setup an attendance program that can be accessed > >> by each teacher from one of the ltsp stations in their areas. > > > > No point in reinventing the wheel. Check out Schooltool > > http://www.schooltool.org/ Actually, SchoolTool doesn't do attendance yet. We will have that (and more) for the 06-07 school year. --Tom From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Thu Sep 1 17:25:22 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:25:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] how's this raid setup? In-Reply-To: <9bd317560509011004477f46e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200509011721.j81HLAk00673@www.mi-spot.com> While you raid experts are considering Peter's question, let me know what you think of this raid: http://www.inventgeek.com/Projects/poormansraid/Page1.aspx I'm hoping to build this within the next year or so and add it to my ltsp server for /home. Eric -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Peter Hartmann Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 12:05 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] how's this raid setup? How does his look to you guys? I have 4 sata channels at the moment maybe more to come. Will this setup still allow me the speed increase of striping even though my mirror is 7200rpm? (I'm pretty sure the answer is yes but I want to make sure) Assuming there's no performance hit with the 7200rpm, how much use of LVM, if any, can I use for /home, if for instance I wanted to add 2 more 74g in raid 0 and another 120g to mirror? 1 74g (10k rpm) for OS minus /home (with a cold spare imaged with dd) 2 74g (10k rpm) in raid 0 for /home using <60g 1 120g 7200rpm to mirror /home Thank you, Peter _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Thu Sep 1 18:36:51 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 13:36:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] how's this raid setup? In-Reply-To: <200509011721.j81HLAk00673@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200509011721.j81HLAk00673@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <1125599811.7544.48.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 12:25, Eric Brown wrote: > While you raid experts are considering Peter's question, let me know what > you think of this raid: > http://www.inventgeek.com/Projects/poormansraid/Page1.aspx > > I'm hoping to build this within the next year or so and add it to my ltsp > server for /home. I'd go with a software RAID1 (mirror) for anything that can possibly work on a single drive because it much easier to recover data if you have problems with any component. You can just connect one of the drives to any similar interface on any Linux box, mount it, and read it. Anything more complicated like LVM or hardware raid and you have to keep the sets of drives together and generally have the same brand/model controller. For things too big to put on a single drive, the next choice would be the 3ware SATA raid controller and a hot-swap cage for the drives - but get a spare controller so you'll have a match if the live one breaks or you need to move the drives to another box. SCSI is still good but much more expensive in the larger sizes. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Thu Sep 1 19:06:05 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:06:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Again (Still) Message-ID: <4317511D.5010907@honeygroveisd.net> I've got to do something to fix my authentication problem here and I'm getting desperate. I'm considering blowing away my whole configuration and starting over again with Matt's script. Is there some way I can (easily) backup my existing users, passwords, groups, etc. and then re-import them when I'm done? Will this likely just put my authentication problem back? The Samba side of things is essentially useless right now and I'm beginning to regret that I ever left my trusty NT4 server. -- C-ya, Mark ____ Just as appetite comes by eating, so work brings inspiration, if inspiration is not discernible at the beginning. -Igor Stravinsky From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 19:57:08 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:57:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] how's this raid setup? In-Reply-To: <1125599811.7544.48.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <200509011721.j81HLAk00673@www.mi-spot.com> <1125599811.7544.48.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <9bd3175605090112571a77f647@mail.gmail.com> So you're saying "it looks ok, just don't LVM"? On 9/1/05, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 12:25, Eric Brown wrote: > > While you raid experts are considering Peter's question, let me know what > > you think of this raid: > > http://www.inventgeek.com/Projects/poormansraid/Page1.aspx > > > > I'm hoping to build this within the next year or so and add it to my ltsp > > server for /home. > > I'd go with a software RAID1 (mirror) for anything that can possibly > work on a single drive because it much easier to recover data if > you have problems with any component. You can just connect one of > the drives to any similar interface on any Linux box, mount it, and > read it. Anything more complicated like LVM or hardware raid and > you have to keep the sets of drives together and generally have the > same brand/model controller. For things too big to put on a single > drive, the next choice would be the 3ware SATA raid controller and > a hot-swap cage for the drives - but get a spare controller so you'll > have a match if the live one breaks or you need to move the drives > to another box. SCSI is still good but much more expensive in the > larger sizes. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Sep 1 20:09:57 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 20:09:57 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Again (Still) Message-ID: <200509012224.j81MOGn09269@downeast.net> cam you slapcat > /tmp/whatever...look that over if you can..you can slapadd -l that file back to ldap if you throw out the contents of/var/lib/ldap (in redhat)..hyou will have to chown after slapadd so the files are owned by the rigt dude..pop by #ltsp if you are still hung..chuck > I've got to do something to fix my authentication problem here and I'm > getting desperate. I'm considering blowing away my whole configuration > and starting over again with Matt's script. Is there some way I can > (easily) backup my existing users, passwords, groups, etc. and then > re-import them when I'm done? Will this likely just put my > authentication problem back? The Samba side of things is essentially > useless right now and I'm beginning to regret that I ever left my trusty > NT4 server. > s> /tmp lapcat > -- > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > Just as appetite comes by eating, so work brings inspiration, if inspiration is not discernible at the beginning. -Igor Stravinsky > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From les at futuresource.com Thu Sep 1 20:52:40 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:52:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] how's this raid setup? In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605090112571a77f647@mail.gmail.com> References: <200509011721.j81HLAk00673@www.mi-spot.com> <1125599811.7544.48.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <9bd3175605090112571a77f647@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1125607960.7544.98.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 14:57, Peter Hartmann wrote: > So you're saying "it looks ok, just don't LVM"? More like 'make sure you understand the tradeoffs'. LVM gives you the ability to span disks and grow existing filesystems at the expense of being able to recover data from a single drive. Personally I don't think I'd ever mix disks that don't exactly match in a RAID. The other things are OK, including spanning disks that don't match in an LVM as long as you understand that the risk of failure is multiplied by the number of non-mirrored drives included. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 20:55:14 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 13:55:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Web-based attendance with K12ltsp In-Reply-To: <92de6c8805090110087e5072d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050829160047.D94DB7361C@hormel.redhat.com> <1125339334.20652.21.camel@server-01.cwc.edu> <92de6c8805082911303f31255f@mail.gmail.com> <8dccd8f9935a224cab237f123a2d0681@renarts.org> <92de6c8805090110087e5072d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/1/05, Tom Hoffman wrote: > > > On Aug 31, 2005, at 7:21 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/31/05, Lee Myrick wrote: > > >> year now. Our school directors came to me with a new request last > > >> week: > > >> they would like me to setup an attendance program that can be > accessed > > >> by each teacher from one of the ltsp stations in their areas. > > > > > > No point in reinventing the wheel. Check out Schooltool > > > http://www.schooltool.org/ > > Actually, SchoolTool doesn't do attendance yet. We will have that > (and more) for the 06-07 school year. > > --Tom > Like Huck said I guess Moodle would be another option. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mll at mtwp.net Thu Sep 1 21:27:12 2005 From: mll at mtwp.net (Mike Lichtenwalner) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 17:27:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Install Problem Message-ID: <43177230.1010909@mtwp.net> I've installed K12LTSP 4.4.1 on a test machine - no problem. I'm now trying to install it on a production server (dual Xeon, Intel SHG2 board). At the boot prompt I type "linux askmethod" so that I can do an NFS install. Some text flies by then stops dead at this line: "isapnp: No Plug & Play device found" Using "linux noprobe" gives the same results. The BIOS is up to date, and I didn't see an option to turn off PnP. Booting from disc 1 of a previous release works, but when I point it to the current iso's on the NFS server, it complains that the boot CD is not the same version as the iso's. Any suggestions? Thanks! Mike _________________________________ Mike Lichtenwalner Technology Specialist Manheim Township School District Lancaster, PA From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 21:31:33 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:31:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: how's this raid setup? In-Reply-To: <9bd317560509011004477f46e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560509011004477f46e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd3175605090114314a84a78c@mail.gmail.com> Is this even possible? I'm trying to do it in disk druid and not having any luck. Peter On 9/1/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > How does his look to you guys? I have 4 sata channels at the moment > maybe more to come. Will this setup still allow me the speed increase > of striping even though my mirror is 7200rpm? (I'm pretty sure the > answer is yes but I want to make sure) Assuming there's no > performance hit with the 7200rpm, how much use of LVM, if any, can I > use for /home, if for instance I wanted to add 2 more 74g in raid 0 > and another 120g to mirror? > > 1 74g (10k rpm) for OS minus /home (with a cold spare imaged with dd) > 2 74g (10k rpm) in raid 0 for /home using <60g > 1 120g 7200rpm to mirror /home > > > Thank you, > Peter > From brcisna at frontiernet.net Thu Sep 1 22:40:48 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:40:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web-based attendance with K12ltsp References: <20050829160047.D94DB7361C@hormel.redhat.com><1125339334.20652.21.camel@server-01.cwc.edu><92de6c8805082911303f31255f@mail.gmail.com><8dccd8f9935a224cab237f123a2d0681@renarts.org><92de6c8805090110087e5072d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003501c5af46$393e8fa0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hello Robert Here s a very nice Student management /PHP/Postgresql/ web based /setup. It is called CENTRE,(they just released Centre2),,just a couple weeks ago. Fairly simple,and very easy to setup. Can be setup for multiple schools into one databse. AKA: Elementary>Junior> Highschool Has report cards/ GPA/Attendence/elegibility,,etc. Youll need a little experience in setting up an postgresql database is the only tricky part to this.but is explained very well in the install that come with the zip file for CENTRE Go here: www.miller-group.net Youll have to singup,,with a login once there. Its absolutley free,,so give it a look at! Hope this helps. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Arkiletian To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Web-based attendance with K12ltsp On 9/1/05, Tom Hoffman wrote: > On Aug 31, 2005, at 7:21 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > > > > > On 8/31/05, Lee Myrick wrote: > >> year now. Our school directors came to me with a new request last > >> week: > >> they would like me to setup an attendance program that can be accessed > >> by each teacher from one of the ltsp stations in their areas. > > > > No point in reinventing the wheel. Check out Schooltool > > http://www.schooltool.org/ Actually, SchoolTool doesn't do attendance yet. We will have that (and more) for the 06-07 school year. --Tom Like Huck said I guess Moodle would be another option. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Thu Sep 1 22:49:04 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 17:49:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: how's this raid setup? In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605090114314a84a78c@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560509011004477f46e7@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605090114314a84a78c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1125614944.7544.118.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 16:31, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Is this even possible? I'm trying to do it in disk druid and not > having any luck. Disk druid doesn't let you do everything. I'd try a basic install with it, then grow the LVM to accomodate what you want to add. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 23:40:30 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 19:40:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: how's this raid setup? In-Reply-To: <1125614944.7544.118.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <9bd317560509011004477f46e7@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605090114314a84a78c@mail.gmail.com> <1125614944.7544.118.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <9bd31756050901164052595687@mail.gmail.com> Oh, what I meant was software raid 10 or 01, which it doens't look possible. On 9/1/05, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 16:31, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Is this even possible? I'm trying to do it in disk druid and not > > having any luck. > > Disk druid doesn't let you do everything. I'd try a basic install > with it, then grow the LVM to accomodate what you want to add. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Sep 2 01:08:19 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 19:08:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting fixed IP for thin client Message-ID: <4317A603.4020904@elp.rr.com> I'm using FC4.4 In the dhcpd.conf file can the MAC address be substituted for ws001 or what ever the workstation number is? I tend to use the MAC address every place else because it helps me keep things straight and I would like to stick to convention. Thanks Pat From les at futuresource.com Fri Sep 2 02:01:50 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 21:01:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: how's this raid setup? In-Reply-To: <9bd31756050901164052595687@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560509011004477f46e7@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605090114314a84a78c@mail.gmail.com> <1125614944.7544.118.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <9bd31756050901164052595687@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1125626509.3343.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 18:40, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Oh, what I meant was software raid 10 or 01, which it doens't look possible. > You may be able to make a RAID1, then an LVM on the md device but you probably can't put /boot on LVM. Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 03:05:34 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 23:05:34 -0400 Subject: Fwd: [K12OSN]$$$$$ Converting a distro into K12LTSP $$$$$ In-Reply-To: <9bd31756050901170224f9e3f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4315D3D0.8020204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <9bd317560508311338124d722a@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050901170224f9e3f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd3175605090120055c5e0d2d@mail.gmail.com> Hey List, I'm trying to install 4.2.1EL on top of Centos4 x86_64 using the AMD64 install page in the wiki. But when I run the yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-extras k12ltsp-utils k12ltsp-education, I get a strange output. Transaction Check Error: file usr/share/gnome-about/gnome-version.xml from install of gnome-desktop-2.8.0-3.centos4 conflicts with file from package gnome-desktop-2.8.0-3.centos4 file /etc/mime-magic.dat from install of gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-44.1 conflicts with file from package gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-44.1 There the same packages! Any ideas? Thank you, Peter ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Peter Hartmann Date: Sep 1, 2005 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN]$$$$$ Converting a distro into K12LTSP $$$$$ To: Eric Harrison Eric, I decided to give Centos4 x86_64 a shot. After yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-extras k12ltsp-utils k12ltsp-education I get conflicts from seemingly identical packages. What should I do? Thanks, Peter Transaction Check Error: file usr/share/gnome-about/gnome-version.xml from install of gnome-desktop-2.8.0-3.centos4 conflicts with file from package gnome-desktop-2.8.0-3.centos4 file /etc/mime-magic.dat from install of gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-44.1 conflicts with file from package gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-44.1 On 8/31/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > Eric, > > You told this guy to follow the install instructions for amd64 for his stock > > i386 install. Do these insturchtions also work for FC4 x86_64 and Centos4 > > x86_64? > > > > Thanks, > > Peter > > *Probably*, but as far as I know it is currently untested. > > -Eric > > > > On 8/31/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> > >> Alan A Hodson wrote: > >>> Added $$$$$$$$$$ - perhaps this way I can get an answer!!! > >>> > >>>> Hi gang > >>>> > >>>> I read about it and then I lost the thread. If one installs say plain > >>>> Fedora 4 on a server, what patch/procedure should one follow to > >>>> "convert" the distro into one running K12LTSP? I believe one had to > >>>> go through apt-get, change the default repository and do some sort of > >>>> apt-get install k12ltsp... or am I in the midst of Katrina? > >>>> Thanks > >>>> Alan Hodson > >>>> El Paso ISD, TX > >>>> http://links.episd.org/ > >>>> -=o=- > >>>> > >> > >> > >> The wiki entry on installing on AMD64 also applies to upgrading a stock > >> i386 FC4 server to K12LTSP: > >> > >> http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/AMD64%20Installation > >> > >> -Eric > >> > From les at futuresource.com Fri Sep 2 03:54:03 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 22:54:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Install Problem In-Reply-To: <43177230.1010909@mtwp.net> References: <43177230.1010909@mtwp.net> Message-ID: <1125633243.3343.24.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 16:27, Mike Lichtenwalner wrote: > I've installed K12LTSP 4.4.1 on a test machine - no problem. I'm now > trying to install it on a production server (dual Xeon, Intel SHG2 > board). At the boot prompt I type "linux askmethod" so that I can do an > NFS install. Some text flies by then stops dead at this line: > "isapnp: No Plug & Play device found" > > Using "linux noprobe" gives the same results. > > The BIOS is up to date, and I didn't see an option to turn off PnP. It's probably the probe after pnp that is killing it... There are an assortment of things you can try at the boot prompt to turn off various options: linux acpi=off linux nofb etc. If you don't need the very latest apps you might do better with the Centos4 based K12LTSP-4.2.1EL version on this machine. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 04:27:41 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 21:27:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: how's this raid setup? In-Reply-To: <1125626509.3343.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <9bd317560509011004477f46e7@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605090114314a84a78c@mail.gmail.com> <1125614944.7544.118.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <9bd31756050901164052595687@mail.gmail.com> <1125626509.3343.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: What steps need to be taken to have /boot on RAID1 with the new Centos release? I'm pretty sure I can set both drives as ordered bootable in the mb bios but that also means GRUB needs to be on the second drive. Will Centos do this automagically if you setup /boot as RAID1? If not, how does one ensure rebooting if the main drive dies. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Fri Sep 2 05:01:54 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 00:01:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: how's this raid setup? In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560509011004477f46e7@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605090114314a84a78c@mail.gmail.com> <1125614944.7544.118.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <9bd31756050901164052595687@mail.gmail.com> <1125626509.3343.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1125637314.3343.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 23:27, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > What steps need to be taken to have /boot on RAID1 with the new Centos > release? > I'm pretty sure I can set both drives as ordered bootable in the mb > bios but that also means GRUB needs to be on the second drive. Will > Centos do this automagically if you setup /boot as RAID1? If not, how > does one ensure rebooting if the main drive dies. Grub doesn't even install correctly on the first drive of a RAID1 with Centos. Fortunately it is not difficult to do it by hand and you only have to do it once. You can either ctl-alt-F2 to a shell prompt at the end of an install before the reboot or boot from the install cd with 'linux rescue' and chroot to /mnt/sysinstall after it mounts the drives for you. Then: grub > device (hd0) /dev/sda > root (hd0,0) > setup (hd0) > device (hd1) /dev/sdb > root (hd1,0) > setup (hd1) > quit If you are in rescue mode, exit twice to reboot. That assumes scsi disks and /boot as the first partition of each. Whether it works in practice or not will depend partly on how the drives fail. Some failure modes will still hang the system. If you simulate a failure by removing the 1st drive in a scsi system, it will usually boot from the 2nd but all the device names will shift up so your swap or other unlabled partitions may land in the wrong place. IDE systems generally hang with any dead drive. If you remove one, the device names don't change so you may have to swap the positions to make things work - but it is still better than having to restore a backup. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 06:50:33 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 23:50:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: how's this raid setup? In-Reply-To: <1125637314.3343.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <9bd317560509011004477f46e7@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605090114314a84a78c@mail.gmail.com> <1125614944.7544.118.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <9bd31756050901164052595687@mail.gmail.com> <1125626509.3343.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1125637314.3343.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On 9/1/05, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > Grub doesn't even install correctly on the first drive of > a RAID1 with Centos. Fortunately it is not difficult to You would think it should set it up right on the first drive at least!?!? do it by hand and you only have to do it once. You > can either ctl-alt-F2 to a shell prompt at the end > of an install before the reboot or boot from the > install cd with 'linux rescue' and chroot to /mnt/sysinstall > after it mounts the drives for you. Then: > > grub > > device (hd0) /dev/sda > > root (hd0,0) > > setup (hd0) > > device (hd1) /dev/sdb > > root (hd1,0) > > setup (hd1) > > quit > > If you are in rescue mode, exit twice to reboot. > > That assumes scsi disks and /boot as the first partition > of each. Whether it works in practice or not will depend > partly on how the drives fail. Some failure modes will > still hang the system. If you simulate a failure by > removing the 1st drive in a scsi system, it will usually > boot from the 2nd but all the device names will shift > up so your swap or other unlabled partitions may land > in the wrong place. > Wow thanks for the excellent reply Les! I was thinking of four primary partitions having both sda and sdb exactly the same.(36 GB each) / 13 GB /home 20 GB /var 2 GB swap 1 GB (since I've got 4 GB of ram and I never hit swap) So if sda failed, would the swap on the second drive shift? BTW I thought multiple swap partitions on seperate drives automatically use raid 0. So do I need to state that they are a raid device? Wait I just thought about this for a second. I think they HAVE to be defined as a raid1 device. Assume you go into swap then one drive fails. If it's raid0 you are going down bigtime!! So I think they have to be explicitly defined as a raid1 device. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mll at mtwp.net Fri Sep 2 12:23:04 2005 From: mll at mtwp.net (Mike Lichtenwalner) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 08:23:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Install Problem In-Reply-To: <43177230.1010909@mtwp.net> References: <43177230.1010909@mtwp.net> Message-ID: <43184428.90503@mtwp.net> After doing some trolling last night, I found that David Trask's post from August 9 did the trick: linux askmethod noapic acpi=off Thanks, David! Mike Lichtenwalner wrote: > I've installed K12LTSP 4.4.1 on a test machine - no problem. I'm now > trying to install it on a production server (dual Xeon, Intel SHG2 > board). At the boot prompt I type "linux askmethod" so that I can do an > NFS install. Some text flies by then stops dead at this line: > "isapnp: No Plug & Play device found" > > Using "linux noprobe" gives the same results. > > The BIOS is up to date, and I didn't see an option to turn off PnP. > > Booting from disc 1 of a previous release works, but when I point it to > the current iso's on the NFS server, it complains that the boot CD is > not the same version as the iso's. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks! > Mike > _________________________________ > Mike Lichtenwalner > Technology Specialist > Manheim Township School District > Lancaster, PA From les at futuresource.com Fri Sep 2 12:49:20 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 07:49:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: how's this raid setup? In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560509011004477f46e7@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605090114314a84a78c@mail.gmail.com> <1125614944.7544.118.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <9bd31756050901164052595687@mail.gmail.com> <1125626509.3343.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1125637314.3343.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1125665359.5403.21.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-09-02 at 01:50, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Wow thanks for the excellent reply Les! I was thinking of four primary > partitions having both sda and sdb exactly the same.(36 GB each) > > / 13 GB > /home 20 GB > /var 2 GB > swap 1 GB (since I've got 4 GB of ram and I never hit swap) > > So if sda failed, would the swap on the second drive shift? First, note that they don't shift until the next boot. Then if one isn't available, you'll still boot and use any others listed in fstab. It will check that they really are swap partitions before using them. Also, md devices are normally autodetected anyway - the problem is more when fstab has entries for /dev/sdcn and they shift up to /dev/sdbn because an earlier device is missing. > BTW I thought multiple swap partitions on seperate drives > automatically use raid 0. So do I need to state that they are a raid > device? Wait I just thought about this for a second. I think they HAVE > to be defined as a raid1 device. Assume you go into swap then one > drive fails. If it's raid0 you are going down bigtime!! So I think > they have to be explicitly defined as a raid1 device. There is some controversy about this because the system will use multiple swap partitions and perhaps be slightly faster because of the raid0 striping effect. However, if you want to keep on running as one of the drives breaks you need to configure raid1 and swap on the md device. I've had some problems using disk druid to create the layout I wanted with multiple partitions on the same drives but it might be fixed by now. You should be able to create matching raid partitions on each drive, select them and create a raid device with the mount point and filesystem you want. The problem I've had is that the system re-arranges the positions on the disk so /boot isn't always first. If this happens you can nail down the layout by doing an fdisk first with the partition sizes you want and partition type of FD. By the way, the current beta of SME server 7.x based on Centos4 does a neat trick. If you install on a single drive it builds a 'broken' raid1 so at any time later you can add a 2nd drive and mirror the partitions to it. -- Les Mikesell les at gmail.com From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Sep 2 13:11:42 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 08:11:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Web-based attendance with K12ltsp In-Reply-To: <92de6c8805090110087e5072d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050829160047.D94DB7361C@hormel.redhat.com> <1125339334.20652.21.camel@server-01.cwc.edu> <92de6c8805082911303f31255f@mail.gmail.com> <8dccd8f9935a224cab237f123a2d0681@renarts.org> <92de6c8805090110087e5072d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Reply to me directly and I might be able to help you with this. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Tom Hoffman wrote: > > On Aug 31, 2005, at 7:21 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/31/05, Lee Myrick wrote: > > >> year now. Our school directors came to me with a new request last > > >> week: > > >> they would like me to setup an attendance program that can be accessed > > >> by each teacher from one of the ltsp stations in their areas. > > > > > > No point in reinventing the wheel. Check out Schooltool > > > http://www.schooltool.org/ > > Actually, SchoolTool doesn't do attendance yet. We will have that > (and more) for the 06-07 school year. > > --Tom > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 14:46:53 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 07:46:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Call for Help: Katrina Public Web Stations Project Message-ID: www.PublicWebStations.com The Vision: Hurricane Katrina has left individuals and families with many needs, and relief agencies will work hard to prepare food, clothing, and shelter for them. Many will be unable to return home for weeks or months. Free, readily-available public access to the Internet during this time can provide a crucial lifeline for them during this time. Ultimately, the goal will be the ability to create an instant volunteer network of public web stations after any major disaster anywhere in the world. The Opportunity: Older computers, Pentium 2 level or above, can run as a Firefox web station (or kiosk), requiring only 128mb or ram, a network card, and access to an Internet-connected network. Schools, libraries, agencies, and businesses could easily and quickly provide free public web stations to assist those displaced by the hurricane. The computers needed are available in abundance for free or minimal cost, and many organizations have an excess of these older computers with no use for them. The technology needed to turn them into web stations is both free and effective, being based on the Linux operating system and the Firefox web browser. A single file is downloaded and burned to a CD-ROM, placed in the CD-ROM drive of the computer, and then the computer is booted from the CD-ROM. The computer boots up directly to a Firefox web browser window in less than a minute, not requiring any keystrokes or skills to get there. A working web station would take no more than 5 minutes to set up, and requires no ongoing maintenance except in the case of hardware failure. In case of any difficulties, the machine is just rebooted. (More information on LiveCD's for web stations is given here.) What is Needed (9/2/05): 1. Volunteers to set up the web stations. This involves someone with the ability to download a small (60MB) version of a "LiveCD"--that is, Linux that runs from the CD-Rom drive and doesn't require the hard drive--burn it to a CD-Rom, connect a monitor, mouse, and keyboard to the computer, and then connect the computer to an Internet-capable network. Sign up here to volunteer to help. 2. Organizations who will donate the computers, monitors, keyboards, mice, and network cables. DIY Parts is acting as a clearinghouse for the used equipment. As well, CompuMentor in San Francisco keeps a list of non-profit computer refurbishment organizations that could assist in locating used equipment. 3. Organizations to provide mirror sites for downloading the .iso image(s). 4. Web page help: Someone who can build a quick database of volunteers--name, phone, cell, email, city, and state--and a few simple php pages for others to locate local volunteers. Someone to keep a Katrina portal page updated Someone to write up easy instructions for setting up a public web station 5. Someone to create a graphic file for a standardized banner/sign that can be printed at Kinkos which easily identifies a public web station. 6. Someone who can monitor the LiveCD and LiveKiosk projects and make sure we continue to provide the most effective versions. 7. Grass-roots publicity volunteers: anyone willing to post a note about project to mail-lists, news organizations, friends and family, etc. -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 15:07:51 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 11:07:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN]$$$$$ Converting a distro into K12LTSP $$$$$ : what I've done to get thus far: In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605090120055c5e0d2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4315D3D0.8020204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <9bd317560508311338124d722a@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050901170224f9e3f1@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605090120055c5e0d2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd3175605090208075167f456@mail.gmail.com> By the way I thought I should post what I've done to get thus far: Installed Centos4 x86_64 rpm -ihv ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/i386/CentOS/RPMS/k12ltsp-release-4.2.1EL-1.noarch.rpm rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/*KEY* /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-extras k12ltsp-utils k12ltsp-education I got this output: Transaction Check Error: file /etc/named.conf from install of caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.2-k12ltsp.5.3.0 conflicts with file from package caching-nameserver-7.3-3 file /var/named/localhost.zone from install of caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.2-k12ltsp.5.3.0 conflicts with file from package caching-nameserver-7.3-3 file /var/named/named.ca from install of caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.2-k12ltsp.5.3.0 conflicts with file from package caching-nameserver-7.3-3 file /usr/share/gnome-about/gnome-version.xml from install of gnome-desktop-2.8.0-3.centos4 conflicts with file from package gnome-desktop-2.8.0-3.centos4 file /etc/mime-magic.dat from install of gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-44.1 conflicts with file from package gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-44.1 So I did this rpm -e caching-nameserver yum install caching-nameserver-ltsp That leaves me with conflicts of seemingly identical packages: gnome-desktop-2.8.0-3.centos4 and gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-44.1. Any idea how to fix that? I really like centos4 x86_64 so far. I agree Eric, the 64bit *feels* faster. Can I keep it, huh? Can I? Can I? :) Thank You, Peter From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Sep 2 15:34:51 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 08:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN]$$$$$ Converting a distro into K12LTSP $$$$$ : what I've done to get thus far: In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605090208075167f456@mail.gmail.com> References: <4315D3D0.8020204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <9bd317560508311338124d722a@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050901170224f9e3f1@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605090120055c5e0d2d@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605090208075167f456@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > By the way I thought I should post what I've done to get thus far: > > Installed Centos4 x86_64 > > rpm -ihv ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/i386/CentOS/RPMS/k12ltsp-release-4.2.1EL-1.noarch.rpm > > rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/*KEY* /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* > > yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-extras k12ltsp-utils k12ltsp-education > > > I got this output: > > Transaction Check Error: file /etc/named.conf from install of > caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.2-k12ltsp.5.3.0 conflicts with file from > package caching-nameserver-7.3-3 > file /var/named/localhost.zone from install of > caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.2-k12ltsp.5.3.0 conflicts with file from > package caching-nameserver-7.3-3 > file /var/named/named.ca from install of > caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.2-k12ltsp.5.3.0 conflicts with file from > package caching-nameserver-7.3-3 > file /usr/share/gnome-about/gnome-version.xml from install of > gnome-desktop-2.8.0-3.centos4 conflicts with file from package > gnome-desktop-2.8.0-3.centos4 > file /etc/mime-magic.dat from install of gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-44.1 > conflicts with file from package gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-44.1 With these two specific files, I don't think that they are architecture-specific. That means you should be able to overwrite the x86-64 version with the i386 version. Of course I could be wrong and you'll make a mess of your install (you have good backups and/or are not concerned about having to reinstall, right? ;-) Fetch the gnome-desktop-2.8.0-3.centos4 and gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-44.1 packages from ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/i386/CentOS/RPMS/ and install them manually with the force and nodeps flags: rpm -ihv --force --nodeps gnome-desktop.*rpm gnome-libs.*rpm >From there you should be able to do the "yum install k12ltsp-core ..." *NOTE* that this is not a "best practice". Anytime someone suggests that you install a package with the "--force" and/or "--nodeps" flags, be afraid. Be very afraid! I'm also taking off for the long weekend. If things break badly for you, you're on your own for a couple of days ;-) (Dire warnings aside, I'm pretty sure this will work) -Eric > So I did this > rpm -e caching-nameserver > yum install caching-nameserver-ltsp > > That leaves me with conflicts of seemingly identical packages: > gnome-desktop-2.8.0-3.centos4 and gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-44.1. > > Any idea how to fix that? I really like centos4 x86_64 so far. I > agree Eric, the 64bit *feels* faster. Can I keep it, huh? Can I? > Can I? :) > > > Thank You, > Peter > From robark at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 16:09:17 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 09:09:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: how's this raid setup? In-Reply-To: <1125665359.5403.21.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <9bd317560509011004477f46e7@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605090114314a84a78c@mail.gmail.com> <1125614944.7544.118.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <9bd31756050901164052595687@mail.gmail.com> <1125626509.3343.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1125637314.3343.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1125665359.5403.21.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On 9/2/05, Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Fri, 2005-09-02 at 01:50, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > So if sda failed, would the swap on the second drive shift? > > First, note that they don't shift until the next boot. Then > if one isn't available, you'll still boot and use any others > listed in fstab. It will check that they really are swap > partitions before using them. Also, md devices are normally > autodetected anyway - the problem is more when fstab has > entries for /dev/sdcn and they shift up to /dev/sdbn because > an earlier device is missing. > > > BTW I thought multiple swap partitions on seperate drives > > automatically use raid 0. So do I need to state that they are a raid > > device? Wait I just thought about this for a second. I think they HAVE > > to be defined as a raid1 device. Assume you go into swap then one > > drive fails. If it's raid0 you are going down bigtime!! So I think > > they have to be explicitly defined as a raid1 device. > > I've had some problems using disk druid to create the layout > I wanted with multiple partitions on the same drives but it > might be fixed by now. You should be able to create matching > raid partitions on each drive, select them and create a raid > device with the mount point and filesystem you want. The problem > I've had is that the system re-arranges the positions on the > disk so /boot isn't always first. If this happens you can > nail down the layout by doing an fdisk first with the partition > sizes you want and partition type of FD. > > By the way, the current beta of SME server 7.x based on Centos4 > does a neat trick. If you install on a single drive it builds > a 'broken' raid1 so at any time later you can add a 2nd drive > and mirror the partitions to it. Thanks for the explanation Les. I have just found a couple of nice PDF's I'd like to share with the list on this subject in case others are interested. http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/power/1q04-hul.pdf http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/pdf/rhel-sag-en.pdf(chap 9,10) -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Fri Sep 2 16:59:35 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 11:59:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: how's this raid setup? In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560509011004477f46e7@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605090114314a84a78c@mail.gmail.com> <1125614944.7544.118.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <9bd31756050901164052595687@mail.gmail.com> <1125626509.3343.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1125637314.3343.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1125665359.5403.21.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1125680374.21074.19.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-09-02 at 11:09, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Thanks for the explanation Les. I have just found a couple of nice > PDF's I'd like to share with the list on this subject in case others > are interested. > > http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/power/1q04-hul.pdf This one is about RHEL3 which reminded me that I think that it (and centos3.x, and fedora) did install grub on the first of a raid1 pair by itself in a normal install. However, it didn't work for me on centos4 without the manual grub setup. And by the way - I have had drives fail and was able to continue running and even replace them (hot-swap scsi) and rebuild without shutting down. It is worth the trouble, but you need to know the procedure ahead of time including how to remove and add scsi devices if you want to do that part live. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 17:16:58 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 13:16:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN]$$$$$ Converting a distro into K12LTSP $$$$$ : what I've done to get thus far: In-Reply-To: References: <4315D3D0.8020204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <9bd317560508311338124d722a@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050901170224f9e3f1@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605090120055c5e0d2d@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605090208075167f456@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd3175605090210161ebfa2f0@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Eric. I think that did it. I can't quite get x to sart on a terminal but I think/hope that might be a general k12linux setup problem? Have a great weekend! Peter On 9/2/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > By the way I thought I should post what I've done to get thus far: > > > > Installed Centos4 x86_64 > > > > rpm -ihv ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/i386/CentOS/RPMS/k12ltsp-release-4.2.1EL-1.noarch.rpm > > > > rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/*KEY* /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* > > > > yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-extras k12ltsp-utils k12ltsp-education > > > > > > I got this output: > > > > Transaction Check Error: file /etc/named.conf from install of > > caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.2-k12ltsp.5.3.0 conflicts with file from > > package caching-nameserver-7.3-3 > > file /var/named/localhost.zone from install of > > caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.2-k12ltsp.5.3.0 conflicts with file from > > package caching-nameserver-7.3-3 > > file /var/named/named.ca from install of > > caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.2-k12ltsp.5.3.0 conflicts with file from > > package caching-nameserver-7.3-3 > > file /usr/share/gnome-about/gnome-version.xml from install of > > gnome-desktop-2.8.0-3.centos4 conflicts with file from package > > gnome-desktop-2.8.0-3.centos4 > > file /etc/mime-magic.dat from install of gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-44.1 > > conflicts with file from package gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-44.1 > > With these two specific files, I don't think that they are > architecture-specific. That means you should be able to overwrite > the x86-64 version with the i386 version. Of course I could be > wrong and you'll make a mess of your install (you have good backups > and/or are not concerned about having to reinstall, right? ;-) > > > Fetch the gnome-desktop-2.8.0-3.centos4 and gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-44.1 > packages from ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/i386/CentOS/RPMS/ > and install them manually with the force and nodeps flags: > > rpm -ihv --force --nodeps gnome-desktop.*rpm gnome-libs.*rpm > > >From there you should be able to do the "yum install k12ltsp-core ..." > > *NOTE* that this is not a "best practice". Anytime someone suggests > that you install a package with the "--force" and/or "--nodeps" flags, > be afraid. Be very afraid! > > I'm also taking off for the long weekend. If things break badly for > you, you're on your own for a couple of days ;-) > > (Dire warnings aside, I'm pretty sure this will work) > > -Eric > > > > So I did this > > rpm -e caching-nameserver > > yum install caching-nameserver-ltsp > > > > That leaves me with conflicts of seemingly identical packages: > > gnome-desktop-2.8.0-3.centos4 and gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-44.1. > > > > Any idea how to fix that? I really like centos4 x86_64 so far. I > > agree Eric, the 64bit *feels* faster. Can I keep it, huh? Can I? > > Can I? :) > > > > > > Thank You, > > Peter > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 18:54:27 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 14:54:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] stalling at X Message-ID: <9bd317560509021154616e0584@mail.gmail.com> Hey List, I installed k12linux 4.2.1EL on top of Centos x86_64 and now the terminal I'm trying to boot is stalling at X. It's using pxe, i havent tried etherboot yet. How do I go about troubleshooting this? I took my lts.conf and dhcpd.conf from the old server running a k12linux 4.2 Thanks, Peter From les at futuresource.com Fri Sep 2 19:18:49 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 14:18:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] stalling at X In-Reply-To: <9bd317560509021154616e0584@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560509021154616e0584@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1125688729.21074.37.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-09-02 at 13:54, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey List, > I installed k12linux 4.2.1EL on top of Centos x86_64 and now the > terminal I'm trying to boot is stalling at X. It's using pxe, i > havent tried etherboot yet. How do I go about troubleshooting this? I > took my lts.conf and dhcpd.conf from the old server running a k12linux > 4.2 Did you run the /opt/ltsp/templates/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize script? I'm not sure that's the right thing to do in your case but it runs a bunch of other scripts that set up necessary pieces of the configuration, for example to enable XDCMP logins and export the right directories via NFS. You can enable SCREEN_02 = shell in lts.conf if it isn't already and hit ctl-alt-F2 on a terminal as it boots so you can check if the NFS mounts worked and look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From wolfravenous at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 20:34:09 2005 From: wolfravenous at gmail.com (Steve Hampton) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:34:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Problems Using the Fluxbox GUI Message-ID: Hi, I have a K12ltsp lab setup in my classrom. I have a mixture of thin clients and thick clients. I have the thick clients set up using the SMB/LDAP system that I have learned so much about on this listserv, (thanks for all the great advice). When I install fluxbox on the thick clients locally and then use it on them the gui loads quick and the students can log in without any problems. However and here is my problem. When they choose session "fluxbox" on the thin clients the system hangs at a black screen and doesn't bring up the gui but the mouse pointer is still visible and still responds to movement of the mouse. I used an older version of flux on a k12ltsp 4.0 thin client setup and I loved the speed that it gave the system. I am currently using a fully updated k12ltsp 4.2 server built on fedora core 3 and the version of flux I installed was the fluxbox-0.9.13-3.fc3.i386.rpm which I found in the fedora repository for fedora core 3 at http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/extras/3/i386/ If anyone has successfully setup fluxbox on their k12ltsp 4.2 system and has any helpful information or notes on what they did i could really use it. 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In-Reply-To: <1125680374.21074.19.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <9bd317560509011004477f46e7@mail.gmail.com> <1125614944.7544.118.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <9bd31756050901164052595687@mail.gmail.com> <1125626509.3343.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1125637314.3343.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1125665359.5403.21.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1125680374.21074.19.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On 9/2/05, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/power/1q04-hul.pdf > > This one is about RHEL3 which reminded me that I think that it > (and centos3.x, and fedora) did install grub on the first of a > raid1 pair by itself in a normal install. However, it didn't > work for me on centos4 without the manual grub setup. > > Is there a way to verify that the first drive did get GRUB installed on the MBR before actually rebooting and finding out the hard way? In this way I could determine if I need to install GRUB manually (as you described earlier) on both or just the second drive. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertgomberg at huntingworld.com Fri Sep 2 19:34:39 2005 From: robertgomberg at huntingworld.com (K12OSN) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 12:34:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Virus Overview Message-ID: So... you setup a small network of thin client machines, you give those brite and shinny students a login and password, and the someone asks... what about virus protection software. I say "well... you just don't have the same virus issues in Linux that you do in windows" They say "what if a student brings a disk from home with a virus" I say... "it won't spread becuase it's not the same as windows" Is this right? Robert From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Sep 2 21:33:46 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 14:33:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Virus Overview In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4318C53A.7030108@paasda.org> depends on if the virus was written for linux I suppose =) --Huck K12OSN wrote: > So... you setup a small network of thin client machines, you give those > brite and shinny students a login and password, and the someone asks... what > about virus protection software. > > I say "well... you just don't have the same virus issues in Linux that you > do in windows" > > They say "what if a student brings a disk from home with a virus" > > I say... "it won't spread becuase it's not the same as windows" > > Is this right? > > Robert > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Sep 2 21:30:09 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:30:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Virus Overview In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A118C32-5554-4399-B67D-514CE2DF7726@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 YES On Sep 2, 2005, at 2:34 PM, K12OSN wrote: > So... you setup a small network of thin client machines, you give > those > brite and shinny students a login and password, and the someone > asks... what > about virus protection software. > > I say "well... you just don't have the same virus issues in Linux > that you > do in windows" > > They say "what if a student brings a disk from home with a virus" > > I say... "it won't spread becuase it's not the same as windows" > > Is this right? > > Robert > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkMYxGEACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTENgCdFup+Q/Rnb17WRaKwcZfSQ2MW ODEAnjS3pEeTijzHOiujthG5EgpWSuJF =SW/V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Sep 2 21:33:29 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:33:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Virus Overview In-Reply-To: <4318C53A.7030108@paasda.org> References: <4318C53A.7030108@paasda.org> Message-ID: <136B8CD2-F06B-483A-B49F-C48D3AF64F5D@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 But if they are using windows at home (which is what they are all assuming) then the virus won't run on the linux systems at school. Linux doesn't have viruses in the wild like windows, a couple worms maybe, but those aren't something spread by users, they are caused by having services running that have security holes primarily. Even if someone wrote a linux virus, it would be hard to do any damage outside of their own space since the students and staff don't run with administrator (root) privileges. On Sep 2, 2005, at 4:33 PM, Huck wrote: > depends on if the virus was written for linux I suppose =) > > --Huck > > K12OSN wrote: > >> So... you setup a small network of thin client machines, you give >> those brite and shinny students a login and password, and the >> someone asks... what about virus protection software. >> I say "well... you just don't have the same virus issues in Linux >> that you do in windows" >> They say "what if a student brings a disk from home with a virus" >> I say... "it won't spread becuase it's not the same as windows" >> Is this right? >> Robert >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkMYxSoACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQOlACfUyHi2zMCWOInvwWQkbWxx6lx hBkAmwTwu+eWIRieZ0/Mkpu5NDwHADcX =FHoG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From les at futuresource.com Fri Sep 2 21:41:11 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 16:41:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: how's this raid setup? In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560509011004477f46e7@mail.gmail.com> <1125614944.7544.118.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <9bd31756050901164052595687@mail.gmail.com> <1125626509.3343.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1125637314.3343.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1125665359.5403.21.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1125680374.21074.19.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1125697270.21074.40.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-09-02 at 16:18, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Is there a way to verify that the first drive did get GRUB installed > on the MBR before actually rebooting and finding out the hard way? In > this way I could determine if I need to install GRUB manually (as you > described earlier) on both or just the second drive. I can't think of any, but it is not too difficult (and probably good practice) to bring it back with a 'linux rescue' boot from the install CD. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From david at suwannee.k12.fl.us Fri Sep 2 23:21:25 2005 From: david at suwannee.k12.fl.us (David Dees) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 19:21:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Web-based attendance with K12ltsp In-Reply-To: References: <20050829160047.D94DB7361C@hormel.redhat.com> < > <1125339334.20652.21.camel@server-01.cwc.edu> < > <92de6c8805082911303f31255f@mail.gmail.com> < > < > < > <8dccd8f9935a224cab237f123a2d0681@renarts.org> < > <92de6c8805090110087e5072d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: check out www.miller-group.net it's free and easy to use David Dees IT Director Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david at suwannee.k12.fl.us From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Fri Sep 2 23:57:23 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 16:57:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <4317169D.9070208@paasda.org> References: <20050829160047.D94DB7361C@hormel.redhat.com> <1125339334.20652.21.camel@server-01.cwc.edu> <92de6c8805082911303f31255f@mail.gmail.com> <4317169D.9070208@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4318E6E3.2000909@parkrose.k12.or.us> I believe the attendance module is gone in v1.5 because it was unmaintained and buggy: http://moodle.org/mod/forum/view.php?id=741 -- Dan Young Parkrose School District Huck wrote: > moodle also has an attendance module > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >> >> >> On 8/31/05, *Lee Myrick* > >> wrote: >> >> I've had a K12LTSP server up and running with no problems for >> almost a >> year now. Our school directors came to me with a new request last >> week: >> they would like me to setup an attendance program that can be >> accessed >> by each teacher from one of the ltsp stations in their areas. >> >> >> No point in reinventing the wheel. Check out Schooltool >> http://www.schooltool.org/ >> >> -- >> Robert Arkiletian >> C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From jim at winonacotter.org Sat Sep 3 01:48:08 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 20:48:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Call for Help: Katrina Public Web Stations Project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050903014647.M9068@winonacotter.org> Would you see Bondi iMacs running at 233MHZ with 160MB RAM and 4GB hard drives as sufficient? I may be able to line up a couple hundred of these with proper approval. You may need to run some sort of PPC based distro of Knoppix or YDL, or even the PPC tree of LTSP, but they should be of use. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Steve Hargadon To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." , refurbishers at refurb.compumentor.org, "LUGOD's general discussion mailing list" Sent: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 07:46:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Call for Help: Katrina Public Web Stations Project > www.PublicWebStations.com > > The Vision: > > Hurricane Katrina has left individuals and families with many needs, > and relief agencies will work hard to prepare food, clothing, and > shelter for them. Many will be unable to return home for weeks or > months. Free, readily-available public access to the Internet during > this time can provide a crucial lifeline for them during this time. > > Ultimately, the goal will be the ability to create an instant > volunteer network of public web stations after any major disaster > anywhere in the world. > > The Opportunity: > > Older computers, Pentium 2 level or above, can run as a Firefox web > station (or kiosk), requiring only 128mb or ram, a network card, and > access to an Internet-connected network. Schools, libraries, > agencies, and businesses could easily and quickly provide free public > web stations to assist those displaced by the hurricane. > > The computers needed are available in abundance for free or minimal > cost, and many organizations have an excess of these older computers > with no use for them. The technology needed to turn them into web > stations is both free and effective, being based on the Linux > operating system and the Firefox web browser. A single file is > downloaded and burned to a CD-ROM, placed in the CD-ROM drive of the > computer, and then the computer is booted from the CD-ROM. The > computer boots up directly to a Firefox web browser window in less > than a minute, not requiring any keystrokes or skills to get there. > > A working web station would take no more than 5 minutes to set up, > and requires no ongoing maintenance except in the case of hardware > failure. In case of any difficulties, the machine is just rebooted. > (More information on LiveCD's for web stations is given here.) > > What is Needed (9/2/05): > > 1. Volunteers to set up the web stations. This involves someone > with the ability to download a small (60MB) version of a "LiveCD"-- > that is, Linux that runs from the CD-Rom drive and doesn't require > the hard drive--burn it to a CD-Rom, connect a monitor, mouse, and > keyboard to the computer, and then connect the computer to an > Internet-capable network. Sign up here to volunteer to help. > > 2. Organizations who will donate the computers, monitors, keyboards, > mice, and network cables. DIY Parts is acting as a clearinghouse for > the used equipment. As well, CompuMentor in San Francisco keeps a > list of non-profit computer refurbishment organizations that could > assist in locating used equipment. > > 3. Organizations to provide mirror sites for downloading the .iso > image(s). > > 4. Web page help: > Someone who can build a quick database of volunteers--name, > phone, cell, email, city, and state--and a few simple php pages for > others to locate local volunteers. > Someone to keep a Katrina portal page updated > Someone to write up easy instructions for setting up a public > web station > > 5. Someone to create a graphic file for a standardized banner/sign > that can be printed at Kinkos which easily identifies a public web > station. > > 6. Someone who can monitor the LiveCD and LiveKiosk projects and > make sure we continue to provide the most effective versions. > > 7. Grass-roots publicity volunteers: anyone willing to post a note > about project to mail-lists, news organizations, friends and family, > etc. > > -- > Steve Hargadon > 916-899-1400 direct > www.technologyrescue.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. ------- End of Original Message ------- -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Sat Sep 3 02:58:56 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 19:58:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Call for Help: Katrina Public Web Stations Project In-Reply-To: <20050903014647.M9068@winonacotter.org> References: <20050903014647.M9068@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Right now we're encouraging people to put their inventory on diyparts.org. The harder part is to get some people on the ground who can arrange to put the web stations. That's what I'm trying to figure out now. Lots of good people who want to contribute equipment and time--but how do we get the actual web stations installed in facilities? On 9/2/05, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Would you see Bondi iMacs running at 233MHZ with 160MB RAM and 4GB hard drives > as sufficient? I may be able to line up a couple hundred of these with proper > approval. > > You may need to run some sort of PPC based distro of Knoppix or YDL, or even > the PPC tree of LTSP, but they should be of use. > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > From: Steve Hargadon > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." , > refurbishers at refurb.compumentor.org, "LUGOD's general discussion mailing list" > > Sent: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 07:46:53 -0700 > Subject: [K12OSN] Call for Help: Katrina Public Web Stations Project > > > www.PublicWebStations.com > > > > The Vision: > > > > Hurricane Katrina has left individuals and families with many needs, > > and relief agencies will work hard to prepare food, clothing, and > > shelter for them. Many will be unable to return home for weeks or > > months. Free, readily-available public access to the Internet during > > this time can provide a crucial lifeline for them during this time. > > > > Ultimately, the goal will be the ability to create an instant > > volunteer network of public web stations after any major disaster > > anywhere in the world. > > > > The Opportunity: > > > > Older computers, Pentium 2 level or above, can run as a Firefox web > > station (or kiosk), requiring only 128mb or ram, a network card, and > > access to an Internet-connected network. Schools, libraries, > > agencies, and businesses could easily and quickly provide free public > > web stations to assist those displaced by the hurricane. > > > > The computers needed are available in abundance for free or minimal > > cost, and many organizations have an excess of these older computers > > with no use for them. The technology needed to turn them into web > > stations is both free and effective, being based on the Linux > > operating system and the Firefox web browser. A single file is > > downloaded and burned to a CD-ROM, placed in the CD-ROM drive of the > > computer, and then the computer is booted from the CD-ROM. The > > computer boots up directly to a Firefox web browser window in less > > than a minute, not requiring any keystrokes or skills to get there. > > > > A working web station would take no more than 5 minutes to set up, > > and requires no ongoing maintenance except in the case of hardware > > failure. In case of any difficulties, the machine is just rebooted. > > (More information on LiveCD's for web stations is given here.) > > > > What is Needed (9/2/05): > > > > 1. Volunteers to set up the web stations. This involves someone > > with the ability to download a small (60MB) version of a "LiveCD"-- > > that is, Linux that runs from the CD-Rom drive and doesn't require > > the hard drive--burn it to a CD-Rom, connect a monitor, mouse, and > > keyboard to the computer, and then connect the computer to an > > Internet-capable network. Sign up here to volunteer to help. > > > > 2. Organizations who will donate the computers, monitors, keyboards, > > mice, and network cables. DIY Parts is acting as a clearinghouse for > > the used equipment. As well, CompuMentor in San Francisco keeps a > > list of non-profit computer refurbishment organizations that could > > assist in locating used equipment. > > > > 3. Organizations to provide mirror sites for downloading the .iso > > image(s). > > > > 4. Web page help: > > Someone who can build a quick database of volunteers--name, > > phone, cell, email, city, and state--and a few simple php pages for > > others to locate local volunteers. > > Someone to keep a Katrina portal page updated > > Someone to write up easy instructions for setting up a public > > web station > > > > 5. Someone to create a graphic file for a standardized banner/sign > > that can be printed at Kinkos which easily identifies a public web > > station. > > > > 6. Someone who can monitor the LiveCD and LiveKiosk projects and > > make sure we continue to provide the most effective versions. > > > > 7. Grass-roots publicity volunteers: anyone willing to post a note > > about project to mail-lists, news organizations, friends and family, > > etc. > > > > -- > > Steve Hargadon > > 916-899-1400 direct > > www.technologyrescue.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > ------- End of Original Message ------- > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From jim at winonacotter.org Sat Sep 3 13:25:06 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:25:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Call for Help: Katrina Public Web Stations Project In-Reply-To: References: <20050903014647.M9068@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050903132327.M10937@winonacotter.org> > Right now we're encouraging people to put their inventory on > diyparts.org. The harder part is to get some people on the ground > who can arrange to put the web stations. That's what I'm trying to figure > out now. Lots of good people who want to contribute equipment and > time--but how do we get the actual web stations installed in > facilities? First is there a PPC version of this iso image? Second, do you have the backing of any of the major organizations approving the project? I assume you will need their support/approval to even start placing this equipment. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Sat Sep 3 15:49:33 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:49:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Call for Help: Katrina Public Web Stations Project In-Reply-To: <20050903132327.M10937@winonacotter.org> References: <20050903014647.M9068@winonacotter.org> <20050903132327.M10937@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: > First is there a PPC version of this iso image? Not that I know of. > > Second, do you have the backing of any of the major organizations approving > the project? I assume you will need their support/approval to even start > placing this equipment. We're leaving that to the local individuals to work with the aid agencies. We haven't been approach on a large level by any agencies yet. That's the whole reason for the grass-roots nature of the projetec. -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Sep 3 18:42:27 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 14:42:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Call for Help: Katrina Public Web Stations Project In-Reply-To: References: < > <20050903014647.M9068@winonacotter.org> < > < > <20050903132327.M10937@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sat Sep 3 2005 at 11:49 +0000 wrote: >> First is there a PPC version of this iso image? > >Not that I know of. >> >> Second, do you have the backing of any of the major organizations >approving >> the project? I assume you will need their support/approval to even >start >> placing this equipment. > >We're leaving that to the local individuals to work with the aid >agencies. We haven't been approach on a large level by any agencies >yet. That's the whole reason for the grass-roots nature of the >projetec. Steve, Boy I wish I could get away and help set up these stations....but I can help burn CD's and mail them to somewhere. I can also round up some PCs....to run the software. Where do we ship it to....etc.? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Sat Sep 3 20:41:25 2005 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 16:41:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows -> Samba Printing help on 4.2.1EL Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D784206466B7@hhpmail.hhp> I've got my 4.2.1EL setup up and running, except for one major thing... my windows boxes get "Access Denied" messages when trying to print to the print ques on my server. I've tried guest = yes, cups options = raw, and the use client driver = yes... but to no avail. Only users who are set as printer admin can setup and use the printers. I had it working before on the FC2 version of K12LTSP... so I might try swaping the CUPS configuration to see if it makes a difference (I archived my old /etc). I do run w/ SELinux enabled (I've had no problems thus far, and nothing shows up in the logs as security context problems, etc)... but this has frustrated me for the past week and a half. Anyone seen this? Could be a Centos 4.x (RHEL 4.x) configuration difference... I really don't want the user's to run as printer admins.... I've only added printers via system-config-printer... and let samba do it's default printer sharing (with the above attempted options, plus some others). I am authing against Active Directory via LDAP, with Samba in server = ADS mode. Help! Henry Burroughs From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Sat Sep 3 21:14:14 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 22:14:14 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows -> Samba Printing help on 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D784206466B7@hhpmail.hhp> References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D784206466B7@hhpmail.hhp> Message-ID: <431A1226.1050108@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Burroughs, Henry wrote: > I've got my 4.2.1EL setup up and running, except for one major thing... my windows boxes get "Access Denied" messages when trying to print to the print ques on my server. I've tried guest = yes, cups options = raw, and the use client driver = yes... but to no avail. Only users who are set as printer admin can setup and use the printers. I had it working before on the FC2 version of K12LTSP... so I might try swaping the CUPS configuration to see if it makes a difference (I archived my old /etc). I do run w/ SELinux enabled (I've had no problems thus far, and nothing shows up in the logs as security context problems, etc)... but this has frustrated me for the past week and a half. Anyone seen this? Could be a Centos 4.x (RHEL 4.x) configuration difference... > > I really don't want the user's to run as printer admins.... > > I've only added printers via system-config-printer... and let samba do it's default printer sharing (with the above attempted options, plus some others). I am authing against Active Directory via LDAP, with Samba in server = ADS mode. > > Help! > > Henry Burroughs > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Have to tweaked the options in the cups.conf ? I can send you over one that I use if it'll help Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat Sep 3 22:32:11 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 18:32:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Call for Help: Katrina Public Web Stations Project In-Reply-To: References: <20050903014647.M9068@winonacotter.org> <20050903132327.M10937@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <431A246B.2070706@stmarys-school.org> Steve Hargadon wrote: >>First is there a PPC version of this iso image? >> >> > >Not that I know of. > > >>Second, do you have the backing of any of the major organizations approving >>the project? I assume you will need their support/approval to even start >>placing this equipment. >> >> > >We're leaving that to the local individuals to work with the aid >agencies. We haven't been approach on a large level by any agencies >yet. That's the whole reason for the grass-roots nature of the >projetec. > > > > Steve, It's a 12 hour drive to Gulfport MS. from where I live. I am sure I can donate some time. Let me know. John From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Sep 4 06:10:49 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 02:10:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Load-balancing and failover how-to Message-ID: http://www.vcsvikings.org/linux/load-balance-failover-how-to.pdf Above I have posted my how-to for setting up two K12LTSP servers for load-balancing and DHCP failover. I've been using it for a week now with the kids back in school and it works fantastic! I've noticed a HUGE increase in speed due to the load-balancing. AND I can breathe easier knowing I have back-up.....also SambaLDAP makes this MUCH easier to implement. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From ckjohnson at gwi.net Sun Sep 4 12:19:43 2005 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 08:19:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Load-balancing and failover how-to In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <431AE65F.1040008@gwi.net> David Trask wrote: >http://www.vcsvikings.org/linux/load-balance-failover-how-to.pdf > >Above I have posted my how-to for setting up two K12LTSP servers for >load-balancing and DHCP failover. I've been using it for a week now with >the kids back in school and it works fantastic! I've noticed a HUGE >increase in speed due to the load-balancing. AND I can breathe easier >knowing I have back-up.....also SambaLDAP makes this MUCH easier to >implement. > > Excellent! I did notice one thing that may be misleading. What is the reference to "Don't forget to set run_dhcpd=1 in /etc/init.d/dhcpd" all about? I suspect that comment should be removed from the primary and secondary dhcpd.conf examples. Perhaps a reference to 'chkconfig dhcpd on' would be more fitting? And a reminder to folks with dual adapter ltsp servers to verify that the correct interface is listed in /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd, e.g. "DHCPDARGS=eth0" just for safe measure. Now if the slapd server is replicated to a slurpd on another box you can have LDAP redundancy too. Then the only piece missing is gfs for redundant serving of /home and configuring the second ltsp as a samba bdc with the same shares, Voila! Fully redundant! Chris -- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From marksarria at socal.rr.com Sun Sep 4 15:25:21 2005 From: marksarria at socal.rr.com (Mark Sarria) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 08:25:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Replica Server Message-ID: <002801c5b164$dd42ddc0$6801a8c0@digital1> Hello List, I have been trying for several weeks now to install a Replica LDAP server. At the moment I have a Samba-LDAP server running and it is doing a fabulous job as my networks PDC. I have googled several tutorials on creating a replica server, but have not successfully succeed yet. I am using Fedora Core 3 Samba 3.10 and I used the smbldap-installer script to create my Samba-LDAP server. (great script) on my second server I have Fedora Core 3 installed, and that's it. I would greatly appreciate your help with this. --mark From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Sep 4 15:43:06 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 11:43:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Load-balancing and failover how-to In-Reply-To: <431AE65F.1040008@gwi.net> References: <431AE65F.1040008@gwi.net> Message-ID: Actually that reference you mention was in the original....I never even thought about it...have always ignored it. You're right though.....it's for the most part useless. Chkconfig --level 12345 dhcpd on might be better. Acutally...setting up another smbldap server would be really nice....do you know of a good how-to that will help me do that? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Sep 4 15:45:36 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 11:45:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Replica Server In-Reply-To: <002801c5b164$dd42ddc0$6801a8c0@digital1> References: <002801c5b164$dd42ddc0$6801a8c0@digital1> Message-ID: Thanks...I thought I might escape this fall without another project, bu now you've totally piqued my curiousity....so now I have to do it. Let's all share our findings on this....I'll start researching.... Mark Sarria on Sun Sep 4 2005 at 11:25 +0000 wrote: >Hello List, > >I have been trying for several weeks now to install a Replica LDAP >server. >At the moment I have a Samba-LDAP server running and it is doing a >fabulous >job as my networks PDC. I have googled several tutorials on creating a >replica server, but have not successfully succeed yet. I am using > >Fedora Core 3 >Samba 3.10 >and I used the smbldap-installer script to create my Samba-LDAP server. >(great script) > >on my second server I have Fedora Core 3 installed, and that's it. > >I would greatly appreciate your help with this. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 15:52:45 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 11:52:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] chown script help needed Message-ID: <9bd3175605090408521862f710@mail.gmail.com> Hey List, I'm in sort of a bind and I need someone to help me with a chown script. Because of some craziness with webmin and some idiocy in need a script that will do this: for UID including and over 531 I'd like to chown -R users home folders to their own UID:GID. It looked as if webmin would do this for me but unfortunately not. Thanks so much in advance! Peter From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Sun Sep 4 16:00:57 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 17:00:57 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] chown script help needed In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605090408521862f710@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605090408521862f710@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1125849657.431b1a397c3f9@pop.portsmouth-college.ac.uk> It wouldn't be too hard to write a script that would read a CSV file with the users and group you wanted to change eg brian,staff. If that would help I might be able to give you a start. Brian Quoting Peter Hartmann : > Hey List, > I'm in sort of a bind and I need someone to help me with a chown > script. Because of some craziness with webmin and some idiocy in need > a script that will do this: for UID including and over 531 I'd like > to chown -R users home folders to their own UID:GID. It looked as if > webmin would do this for me but unfortunately not. > > Thanks so much in advance! > > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ---------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sun Sep 4 16:38:20 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:38:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] chown script help needed (word of caution) In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605090408521862f710@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605090408521862f710@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <431B22FC.9050405@stmarys-school.org> Peter Hartmann wrote: >Hey List, >I'm in sort of a bind and I need someone to help me with a chown >script. Because of some craziness with webmin and some idiocy in need >a script that will do this: for UID including and over 531 I'd like >to chown -R users home folders to their own UID:GID. It looked as if >webmin would do this for me but unfortunately not. > >Thanks so much in advance! > >Peter > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Here's a little script that will do the magic. #!/bin/bash for i in `ls /home/`; do chown -R $i:$i /home/$i echo chowning $i to $i done Word of caution: Using the webmin add user bulk script it is possible to name home dirs with a space and a slash at the tail for instance /home/jsmith / this can distroy your machine by running the reset-all-desktops script you end up chowning everything under / to jsmith:jsmith From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sun Sep 4 16:56:19 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:56:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] chown script help needed In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605090408521862f710@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605090408521862f710@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <431B2733.3030405@stmarys-school.org> Peter Hartmann wrote: >Hey List, >I'm in sort of a bind and I need someone to help me with a chown >script. Because of some craziness with webmin and some idiocy in need >a script that will do this: for UID including and over 531 I'd like >to chown -R users home folders to their own UID:GID. It looked as if >webmin would do this for me but unfortunately not. > >Thanks so much in advance! > >Peter > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > Sorry, I ignored the UID portion of your request. I'm sure someone here already has this in their tool box. I'll look into it though. John From les at futuresource.com Sun Sep 4 17:49:21 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:49:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] chown script help needed (word of caution) In-Reply-To: <431B22FC.9050405@stmarys-school.org> References: <9bd3175605090408521862f710@mail.gmail.com> <431B22FC.9050405@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <1125856161.24735.45.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 11:38, John Baillie wrote: > >I'm in sort of a bind and I need someone to help me with a chown > >script. Because of some craziness with webmin and some idiocy in need > >a script that will do this: for UID including and over 531 I'd like > >to chown -R users home folders to their own UID:GID. It looked as if > >webmin would do this for me but unfortunately not. Do you really have users with uid < 531 with home directories that don't belong to the user with the same name? > > > Here's a little script that will do the magic. > > #!/bin/bash > > for i in `ls /home/`; > do > chown -R $i:$i /home/$i > echo chowning $i to $i > > done > > Word of caution: > > Using the webmin add user bulk script it is possible to name home dirs > with a space and a slash at the tail > for instance /home/jsmith / > this can distroy your machine by running the reset-all-desktops script > you end up chowning everything under / to jsmith:jsmith I don't think you can physically embed a / in a file or directory name. You are adding them as part of the way you expand the names. I'd do it this way instead: cd /home for i in * do chown -R $i:$i $i done This will simply fail if one of the names contains spaces. If you really don't want to do this to all the directories under /home, you can generate the list some other way. For example you could copy the /etc/passwd file, delete the range you don't want, then (in vi) :%s/:.*// to leave only the names. If you save that in a file you can change the 'for i in *' line above to for i in `cat file` to iterate over the list you want. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From thepiano at telenet.be Sun Sep 4 18:44:36 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 20:44:36 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop option Message-ID: Very small question: When running rdesktop from a desktop starter everything starts fine for my teachers except the -g option. When I specify WxH or workarea all is fine, but when I'm using the -g 90% option it does not works from the starter, but does from commandline.... seems to be the "%" sign, is there an alternative for on the commandline? Kevin From thepiano at telenet.be Sun Sep 4 18:45:36 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 20:45:36 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop option In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: sorry, got it: had to use \ before the % Kevin Op 4-sep-05, om 20:44 heeft Kevin Verheyen het volgende geschreven: > Very small question: > > When running rdesktop from a desktop starter everything starts fine > for my teachers > except the -g option. > When I specify WxH or workarea all is fine, but when I'm using the - > g 90% option it does not works from the starter, but does from > commandline.... > > seems to be the "%" sign, is there an alternative for on the > commandline? > > Kevin > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 19:18:21 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 15:18:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox - create profiles globally (for two different proxy servers!) Message-ID: <9bd3175605090412186b23c31b@mail.gmail.com> Don't laugh. Ok, go ahead laugh. We have a grant providing for a filtering/content-management box that I'd rather not force everyone to use as well as good ole squidguard. The answer with firefox is having different profiles that can be chosen from the start of firefox. I pretty sure I can achieve this with copying files like profiles.ini and folders that contain the prefs.js that point to the proxies. But I'm wondering if there is an easier way? Thanks, Peter From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sun Sep 4 19:25:00 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 15:25:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] chown script help needed (word of caution) In-Reply-To: <1125856161.24735.45.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <9bd3175605090408521862f710@mail.gmail.com> <431B22FC.9050405@stmarys-school.org> <1125856161.24735.45.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <431B4A0C.9040405@stmarys-school.org> Les Mikesell wrote: >I don't think you can physically embed a / in a file or directory >name. > I was shocked! but alas it's true. Put the following in a text file and create this user using the bulk add in webmin create:baduser:123:uid:gid:Bad User:/home/baduser /:/bin/bash::::: do an ls on /home and all looks well browse /home with a gui file browser and all looks well do an ls -ld baduser on /home no such file or directory exists open webmin and pull up the info on bad user you will see the their home dir is " /home/baduser / " if you then run the reset-all-desktop script it will run fine up until baduser after which it will chown -R / baduser:baduser John From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sun Sep 4 19:30:07 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 15:30:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox - create profiles globally (for two different proxy servers!) In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605090412186b23c31b@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605090412186b23c31b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <431B4B3F.4050403@stmarys-school.org> Peter Hartmann wrote: >Don't laugh. Ok, go ahead laugh. We have a grant providing for a >filtering/content-management box that I'd rather not force everyone to >use as well as good ole squidguard. The answer with firefox is having >different profiles that can be chosen from the start of firefox. I >pretty sure I can achieve this with copying files like profiles.ini >and folders that contain the prefs.js that point to the proxies. But >I'm wondering if there is an easier way? > >Thanks, >Peter > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > Peter, If you use different profiles how will you sync bookmarks, toolbar customizations, history and cookies? John From rmcdaniel at indata.us Sun Sep 4 20:54:08 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:54:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Call for Help: Katrina Public Web Stations Project Message-ID: <20050904135408.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.122c688416.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Sun Sep 4 21:12:44 2005 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 17:12:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows -> Samba Printing help on 4.2.1EL Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D784206466B8@hhpmail.hhp> I haven't tweaked any of the options in the cups config (which is where I am suspecting the problem lies). If you've got a working EL cups conf, I can run a diff or two and see if I have something not enabled/locked down. Thanks! Henry -----Original Message----- From: Brian Chivers [mailto:brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk] Sent: Sat 9/3/2005 5:14 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Windows -> Samba Printing help on 4.2.1EL Burroughs, Henry wrote: > I've got my 4.2.1EL setup up and running, except for one major thing... my windows boxes get "Access Denied" messages when trying to print to the print ques on my server. I've tried guest = yes, cups options = raw, and the use client driver = yes... but to no avail. Only users who are set as printer admin can setup and use the printers. I had it working before on the FC2 version of K12LTSP... so I might try swaping the CUPS configuration to see if it makes a difference (I archived my old /etc). I do run w/ SELinux enabled (I've had no problems thus far, and nothing shows up in the logs as security context problems, etc)... but this has frustrated me for the past week and a half. Anyone seen this? Could be a Centos 4.x (RHEL 4.x) configuration difference... > > I really don't want the user's to run as printer admins.... > > I've only added printers via system-config-printer... and let samba do it's default printer sharing (with the above attempted options, plus some others). I am authing against Active Directory via LDAP, with Samba in server = ADS mode. > > Help! > > Henry Burroughs > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Have to tweaked the options in the cups.conf ? I can send you over one that I use if it'll help Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The more people that know about this free technology, the more likely it is that it will be used to help. The aid agencies are overwhelmed with providing basic necessities, but when they are ready to help set up internet access, they should know about this. The downloadable software at www.publicwebstations.com is based on Knoppix/DSL, and was adapted from the Boothbox project at Sourceforge. What a great way for free and open source software to make a difference. Thanks, Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From wescott at sc.rr.com Mon Sep 5 02:11:26 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:11:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] chown script help needed (word of caution) In-Reply-To: <431B4A0C.9040405@stmarys-school.org> References: <9bd3175605090408521862f710@mail.gmail.com> <431B22FC.9050405@stmarys-school.org> <1125856161.24735.45.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <431B4A0C.9040405@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <1125886286.14735.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 15:25 -0400, John Baillie wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote: > > >I don't think you can physically embed a / in a file or directory > >name. > > > > I was shocked! but alas it's true. Right. There are two characters not permitted in file names. One is the / since it is used as the separator. The other is the nul character (0x00) since it is used as the terminator of the pathname string. A pathname that end in a / (like "/home/xxx/") is actually interpreted as "/home/xxx/." and is as valid as "/home/xxx". From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Mon Sep 5 03:27:33 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 23:27:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] chown script help needed (word of caution) In-Reply-To: <1125886286.14735.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <9bd3175605090408521862f710@mail.gmail.com> <431B22FC.9050405@stmarys-school.org> <1125856161.24735.45.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <431B4A0C.9040405@stmarys-school.org> <1125886286.14735.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <431BBB25.5060801@stmarys-school.org> Michael C Wescott wrote: >On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 15:25 -0400, John Baillie wrote: > > >>Les Mikesell wrote: >> >> >> >>>I don't think you can physically embed a / in a file or directory >>>name. >>> >>> >>> >>I was shocked! but alas it's true. >> >> > >Right. There are two characters not permitted in file names. One is >the / since it is used as the separator. The other is the nul >character (0x00) since it is used as the terminator of the pathname >string. A pathname that end in a / (like "/home/xxx/") is actually >interpreted as "/home/xxx/." and is as valid as "/home/xxx". > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > Mostly true but mkdir "bad /" will create it, not to mention the webmin bulk user script. From les at futuresource.com Mon Sep 5 03:58:28 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:58:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] chown script help needed (word of caution) In-Reply-To: <431BBB25.5060801@stmarys-school.org> References: <9bd3175605090408521862f710@mail.gmail.com> <431B22FC.9050405@stmarys-school.org> <1125856161.24735.45.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <431B4A0C.9040405@stmarys-school.org> <1125886286.14735.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <431BBB25.5060801@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <1125892708.32671.23.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 22:27, John Baillie wrote: > Mostly true but > > mkdir "bad /" > > will create it, not to mention the webmin bulk user script. # mkdir "bad /" # ls -l total 4 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 4 22:34 bad No / in the name, just a trailing space. There are ways to get a / displayed at the end of a directory and subsequent manipulations on a shell command line will result in breaking at the space. Spaces and newlines are both allowed in filenames and both can cause trouble with shell scripts. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ckjohnson at gwi.net Mon Sep 5 12:48:06 2005 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 08:48:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Load-balancing and failover how-to In-Reply-To: References: <431AE65F.1040008@gwi.net> Message-ID: <431C3E86.8050607@gwi.net> David Trask wrote: >Acutally...setting up another smbldap server would be really >nice....do you know of a good how-to that will help me do that? > > This week I am tied up getting out documentation for a software release, but next week I could spend some time working on it with you. Here's a starting point for you - ldap replication: http://www.openldap.org/doc/admin23/replication.html When configuring slapd.conf on the replica be sure to duplicate the schema files added to the original ldap server's configuration. Add another account on the replica that is just for replication and add entries into the ldap ACL on the replica granting it full update privileges. We can work on that together. Chris -- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Sep 5 12:43:40 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:43:40 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Load-balancing and failover how-to Message-ID: <200509051457.j85EvWo15785@downeast.net> jerry carters ldap system administration has a good section on slurpd,,,chuck > David Trask wrote: > > >Acutally...setting up another smbldap server would be really > >nice....do you know of a good how-to that will help me do that? > > > > > This week I am tied up getting out documentation for a software release, > but next week I could spend some time working on it with you. > Here's a starting point for you - ldap replication: > http://www.openldap.org/doc/admin23/replication.html > When configuring slapd.conf on the replica be sure to duplicate the > schema files added to the original ldap server's configuration. Add > another account on the replica that is just for replication and add > entries into the ldap ACL on the replica granting it full update > privileges. We can work on that together. > > Chris > > -- > "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net > Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From staffords at glenburn.net Mon Sep 5 17:13:32 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 13:13:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DakTech Server Nic Question intel 82541PI In-Reply-To: <200509051457.j85EvWo15785@downeast.net> References: <200509051457.j85EvWo15785@downeast.net> Message-ID: I just got in new DakTech server and I believe the Nic Card is an Intel 82541PI It has two ethernet slots in the back, but only showing one mac addresses in IFconfig command and system settings Network. Is this somekind of single mechanism where I need to activate the other half. Typically I see eth0 and eth1 in network settings, but only eth0 is showing up. Thanks for any assistance. oh yea have K12 LTSP 4.2.1 loaded. I was getting ready to configure eth1 for internet access when I noticed this. Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Sep 5 17:18:41 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:18:41 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] DakTech Server Nic Question intel 82541PI Message-ID: <200509051932.j85JWVo21825@downeast.net> can you use lspci -vvv and lspci -n to determine the dervice ids of those nics??chuck > I just got in new DakTech server and I believe the Nic Card is an Intel > 82541PI > It has two ethernet slots in the back, but only showing one mac addresses > in IFconfig command and system settings Network. Is this somekind of > single mechanism where I need to activate the other half. > > Typically I see eth0 and eth1 in network settings, but only eth0 is > showing up. Thanks for any assistance. > oh yea have K12 LTSP 4.2.1 loaded. I was getting ready to configure eth1 > for internet access when I noticed this. > > Shane > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > S & B Consulting > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From staffords at glenburn.net Mon Sep 5 17:45:19 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 13:45:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DakTech Server Nic Question intel 82541PI In-Reply-To: <200509051932.j85JWVo21825@downeast.net> References: <200509051932.j85JWVo21825@downeast.net> Message-ID: I will give those commands a try. Right now, upon reboot, it hits the configure and find new hardware screen. I select DHCP and click ok, and it jumps back to a startup screen, says enabling Swap -- ok, and the command prompt is flashing on the next line and doing nothing. Some days it just doesn't pay....... Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Sep 5 17:31:52 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:31:52 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] DakTech Server Nic Question intel 82541PI Message-ID: <200509051945.j85Jjgo23175@downeast.net> might have to use disk 1 as a rescue disk and turn off kudzu temporarily > I will give those commands a try. Right now, upon reboot, it hits the > configure and find new hardware screen. > I select DHCP and click ok, and it jumps back to a startup screen, says > enabling Swap -- ok, and the command prompt is flashing on the next line > and doing nothing. Some days it just doesn't pay....... > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > Director I..chucknformation Services Glenburn School and Town > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > S & B Consulting > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From staffords at glenburn.net Mon Sep 5 22:56:46 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:56:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing from FirstClass Client in K12 LTSP In-Reply-To: <200509051945.j85Jjgo23175@downeast.net> References: <200509051945.j85Jjgo23175@downeast.net> Message-ID: Anyone resolved the printing issue with the Linux First Class client. We found that under the 4.0 K12 LTSP when you choose print, it just doesn't respond. Working tonight when I print under 4.2.1 I get a blank page, and then another page with just the header of the email. ideas? I know it is a beta, but thought maybe someone found a setting somewhere to resolve the issue. thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 05:13:34 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 01:13:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] pykota problem Message-ID: <9bd3175605090522137f8023d1@mail.gmail.com> Hey List, For Pykota to have a "graphical print quota reminder" it needs pyosd. However when I installed it, it ended up in lib64 not lib. How can I tell the setup.py to use 32bit? I'm not getting the idea from 'python setup.py --help". Thanks, Peter From big at santaz.dk Tue Sep 6 07:46:56 2005 From: big at santaz.dk (big at santaz.dk) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:46:56 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] Cant login on ldap server as root In-Reply-To: References: <200509051932.j85JWVo21825@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1064.80.209.212.150.1125992816.squirrel@webmail.berthit.dk> Hi there i have a BIG problem. I cant login on my ldap server as root or anybody If i try to login as root it says roots home path is on /home/root if i go past this it tells me that systemadministrator has disabled my account ?? Anyone ?? Jesper In deep shit... From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Sep 6 07:55:09 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 08:55:09 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Cant login on ldap server as root In-Reply-To: <1064.80.209.212.150.1125992816.squirrel@webmail.berthit.dk> References: <200509051932.j85JWVo21825@downeast.net> <1064.80.209.212.150.1125992816.squirrel@webmail.berthit.dk> Message-ID: <431D4B5D.1080408@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> big at santaz.dk wrote: > Hi there i have a BIG problem. I cant login on my ldap server as root or > anybody > > If i try to login as root it says roots home path is on /home/root if i go > past this it tells me that systemadministrator has disabled my account ?? > > Anyone ?? > > Jesper > In deep shit... > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > It's not the nscd problem again. I seem to remember I had this problem on my test server, I used webmin to restart nscd and it was OK. Have a look back through the archive for nscd fault's, I think there is a new version now that is more reliable or just disable it. If you don't have webmin I'm not sure how you'd restart it. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From big at santaz.dk Tue Sep 6 08:20:05 2005 From: big at santaz.dk (big at santaz.dk) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:20:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] Cant login on ldap server as root In-Reply-To: <431D4B5D.1080408@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <200509051932.j85JWVo21825@downeast.net> <1064.80.209.212.150.1125992816.squirrel@webmail.berthit.dk> <431D4B5D.1080408@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1117.80.209.212.150.1125994805.squirrel@webmail.berthit.dk> > big at santaz.dk wrote: >> Hi there i have a BIG problem. I cant login on my ldap server as root or >> anybody >> >> If i try to login as root it says roots home path is on /home/root if i >> go >> past this it tells me that systemadministrator has disabled my account >> ?? >> >> Anyone ?? >> >> Jesper >> In deep shit... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > It's not the nscd problem again. I seem to remember I had this problem on > my test server, I used > webmin to restart nscd and it was OK. > > Have a look back through the archive for nscd fault's, I think there is a > new version now that is > more reliable or just disable it. > > If you don't have webmin I'm not sure how you'd restart it. > > Brian Thank god for webmin, i typed in my root passwd again and now i could login. But in webmins ldap config i noticed that root's homedir was /home/root?? Do i need nscd ?? Jesper From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Sep 6 08:25:51 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 09:25:51 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Cant login on ldap server as root In-Reply-To: <1117.80.209.212.150.1125994805.squirrel@webmail.berthit.dk> References: <200509051932.j85JWVo21825@downeast.net> <1064.80.209.212.150.1125992816.squirrel@webmail.berthit.dk> <431D4B5D.1080408@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <1117.80.209.212.150.1125994805.squirrel@webmail.berthit.dk> Message-ID: <431D528F.1090203@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> big at santaz.dk wrote: >>big at santaz.dk wrote: >> >>>Hi there i have a BIG problem. I cant login on my ldap server as root or >>>anybody >>> >>>If i try to login as root it says roots home path is on /home/root if i >>>go >>>past this it tells me that systemadministrator has disabled my account >>>?? >>> >>>Anyone ?? >>> >>>Jesper >>>In deep shit... >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>It's not the nscd problem again. I seem to remember I had this problem on >>my test server, I used >>webmin to restart nscd and it was OK. >> >>Have a look back through the archive for nscd fault's, I think there is a >>new version now that is >>more reliable or just disable it. >> >>If you don't have webmin I'm not sure how you'd restart it. >> >>Brian > > > Thank god for webmin, i typed in my root passwd again and now i could login. > > But in webmins ldap config i noticed that root's homedir was /home/root?? > > Do i need nscd ?? > > Jesper > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Glad it helped, I like webmin a lot saves so much work. Lots of discussion about this recently. It helps speed up ldap queries by caching results but if your running LDAP on the same box as LDAP it wouldn't improve things much (I don't think) As for Webmin saying that root's home dir is /home/root, not sure about this best to see if anyone else can comment on this. I think Jim K has done a lot of work on using webmin with Ldap/Samba. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From big at santaz.dk Tue Sep 6 09:12:26 2005 From: big at santaz.dk (big at santaz.dk) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:12:26 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] Cant login on ldap server as root In-Reply-To: <431D528F.1090203@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <200509051932.j85JWVo21825@downeast.net> <1064.80.209.212.150.1125992816.squirrel@webmail.berthit.dk> <431D4B5D.1080408@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <1117.80.209.212.150.1125994805.squirrel@webmail.berthit.dk> <431D528F.1090203@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1156.80.209.212.150.1125997946.squirrel@webmail.berthit.dk> > big at santaz.dk wrote: >>>big at santaz.dk wrote: >>> >>>>Hi there i have a BIG problem. I cant login on my ldap server as root >>>> or >>>>anybody >>>> >>>>If i try to login as root it says roots home path is on /home/root if i >>>>go >>>>past this it tells me that systemadministrator has disabled my account >>>>?? >>>> >>>>Anyone ?? >>>> >>>>Jesper >>>>In deep shit... >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>It's not the nscd problem again. I seem to remember I had this problem >>> on >>>my test server, I used >>>webmin to restart nscd and it was OK. >>> >>>Have a look back through the archive for nscd fault's, I think there is >>> a >>>new version now that is >>>more reliable or just disable it. >>> >>>If you don't have webmin I'm not sure how you'd restart it. >>> >>>Brian >> >> >> Thank god for webmin, i typed in my root passwd again and now i could >> login. >> >> But in webmins ldap config i noticed that root's homedir was >> /home/root?? >> >> Do i need nscd ?? >> >> Jesper >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > Glad it helped, I like webmin a lot saves so much work. > > Lots of discussion about this recently. It helps speed up ldap queries by > caching results but if > your running LDAP on the same box as LDAP it wouldn't improve things much > (I don't think) > > As for Webmin saying that root's home dir is /home/root, not sure about > this best to see if anyone > else can comment on this. I think Jim K has done a lot of work on using > webmin with Ldap/Samba. > > Brian So am i, and thanks for a quick reply :-) I have played a little with some ssh connection from home in this weekend, and suddenly i couldn't connect with ssh, just thought that it just was some default config on sshd blocking for to many root logins, but it did say that roots homedir was /home/root. Maybe sshd looked the root account, and then ssh tried to auth from ldap ?? I have turned off the nscd daemon for now, and it looks like its running just fine Jesper From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Sep 6 09:35:49 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:35:49 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Cant login on ldap server as root In-Reply-To: <1156.80.209.212.150.1125997946.squirrel@webmail.berthit.dk> References: <200509051932.j85JWVo21825@downeast.net> <1064.80.209.212.150.1125992816.squirrel@webmail.berthit.dk> <431D4B5D.1080408@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <1117.80.209.212.150.1125994805.squirrel@webmail.berthit.dk> <431D528F.1090203@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <1156.80.209.212.150.1125997946.squirrel@webmail.berthit.dk> Message-ID: <431D62F5.2030004@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> big at santaz.dk wrote: >>big at santaz.dk wrote: >> >>>>big at santaz.dk wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hi there i have a BIG problem. I cant login on my ldap server as root >>>>>or >>>>>anybody >>>>> >>>>>If i try to login as root it says roots home path is on /home/root if i >>>>>go >>>>>past this it tells me that systemadministrator has disabled my account >>>>>?? >>>>> >>>>>Anyone ?? >>>>> >>>>>Jesper >>>>>In deep shit... >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>For more info see >>>>> >>>>It's not the nscd problem again. I seem to remember I had this problem >>>>on >>>>my test server, I used >>>>webmin to restart nscd and it was OK. >>>> >>>>Have a look back through the archive for nscd fault's, I think there is >>>>a >>>>new version now that is >>>>more reliable or just disable it. >>>> >>>>If you don't have webmin I'm not sure how you'd restart it. >>>> >>>>Brian >>> >>> >>>Thank god for webmin, i typed in my root passwd again and now i could >>>login. >>> >>>But in webmins ldap config i noticed that root's homedir was >>>/home/root?? >>> >>>Do i need nscd ?? >>> >>>Jesper >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>Glad it helped, I like webmin a lot saves so much work. >> >>Lots of discussion about this recently. It helps speed up ldap queries by >>caching results but if >>your running LDAP on the same box as LDAP it wouldn't improve things much >>(I don't think) >> >>As for Webmin saying that root's home dir is /home/root, not sure about >>this best to see if anyone >>else can comment on this. I think Jim K has done a lot of work on using >>webmin with Ldap/Samba. >> >>Brian > > > So am i, and thanks for a quick reply :-) I have played a little with some > ssh connection from home in this weekend, and suddenly i couldn't connect > with ssh, just thought that it just was some default config on sshd > blocking for to many root logins, but it did say that roots homedir was > /home/root. Maybe sshd looked the root account, and then ssh tried to auth > from ldap ?? > > I have turned off the nscd daemon for now, and it looks like its running > just fine > > Jesper > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Nice to help someone, rather than to ask for help ?? Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From lighthumor at hotmail.com Tue Sep 6 11:14:24 2005 From: lighthumor at hotmail.com (light being) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 07:14:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash+LTSP = crashes? gdm_slave_xioerror_handler Message-ID: I have set up a LTSP server in a cybercafe, and the terminals are crashing occasionally. I found error "gdm_slave_xioerror_handler" in /var/log/messages Any other logs/diagnostics I can turn on or look at??? Have read in some places it's caused by Flash, which indeed has been installed a few days earlier. Everyone's using FireFox. apt-get upgrade plus reducing colors to 8-bit on the terminals, seems to have improved it. But it doesnt seem to be totally gone - only less frequent. I even tried FireFox alone on the GUI 'safe terminal' "or safe mode" - crashed the same. Certain pages seem to cause the problems. One such animal was this: http://www.casines.com - unfortunates one ends up there when mistyping http://wwwig.com.br - which redirects there. Sep 5 18:58:03 ltspserv dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.105 (192.168.0.254) from 00:50:04:ae:18:19 via eth0 Sep 5 18:58:03 ltspserv dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.105 to 00:50:04:ae:18:19 via eth0 Sep 5 18:58:03 ltspserv rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from ws105.ltsp:658 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) Sep 5 18:58:04 ws105.ltsp syslogd started: BusyBox v0.60.4 (2005.04.19-03:58+0000) Sep 5 18:58:08 ws105.ltsp init: Entering runlevel: 5 Sep 5 19:00:44 ltspserv gdm(pam_unix)[8406]: session opened for user term5 by (uid=0) Sep 5 19:00:45 ws105.ltsp ltspinfod: Connection from 192.168.0.254 port 38082 Sep 5 19:00:45 ltspserv gconfd (term5-8484): iniciando (vers?o 2.8.1), pid 8484 usu?rio 'term5' Sep 5 19:00:45 ltspserv gconfd (term5-8484): Endere?o "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" resolvido para uma fonte de configura??o com permiss?es apenas de leitura na posi??o 0 Sep 5 19:00:45 ltspserv gconfd (term5-8484): O endere?o "xml:readwrite:/home/term5/.gconf" resolvido para uma fonte de configura??o com permiss?es de escrita na posi??o 1 Sep 5 19:00:45 ltspserv gconfd (term5-8484): Endere?o "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" resolvido para uma fonte de configura??o com permiss?es apenas de leitura na posi??o 2 Sep 5 19:00:48 ltspserv gconfd (term5-8484): O endere?o "xml:readwrite:/home/term5/.gconf" resolvido para uma fonte de configura??o com permiss?es de escrita na posi??o 0 Sep 5 19:01:01 ltspserv crond(pam_unix)[8595]: session opened for user root by (uid=0) Sep 5 19:01:01 ltspserv crond(pam_unix)[8595]: session closed for user root Sep 5 19:17:25 ltspserv gdm[8406]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Erro fatal no X - Reinicializando ws105.ltsp:0 Sep 5 19:17:25 ltspserv gdm(pam_unix)[8406]: session closed for user term5 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Sep 6 11:39:05 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 07:39:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash+LTSP = crashes? gdm_slave_xioerror_handler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91E81F51-1268-446B-AE15-7A6592AAC8C9@inlandlakes.org> On Sep 6, 2005, at 7:14 AM, light being wrote: > apt-get upgrade plus reducing colors to 8-bit on the terminals, > seems to have improved it. Do you have swap enabled on the clients? Funny crashes, especially associated with graphics, often have to do with client memory issues. I always set up a 96MB NFS swap file, just to catch those occasional apps that need it. Good luck, it's the first day of school here, so this will probably be my last chance to read/write email all day! -Shawn From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Sep 6 12:24:21 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 08:24:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DakTech Server Nic Question intel 82541PI In-Reply-To: <200509051945.j85Jjgo23175@downeast.net> References: <200509051945.j85Jjgo23175@downeast.net> Message-ID: I'm curious as to which server you got....some of my older ones did not particularly like FC4, but I was able to get them working with noapic and acpi=off at the boot prompt....if you do this on install then it will stick as part of the boot menu. Once I did that they worked slick....in fact, fast than last year! I bought a new server this year that appears to be using some different hardware...such as a different SCSI controller....it simply works all around. Now the older servers worked fine with FC2 and 3....so go figure. If you add an additional NIC....will that get detected? I realize it may not be gigabit, but we're just testing here. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From fhkms at adelphia.net Tue Sep 6 12:21:32 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 8:21:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] content filtering help Message-ID: <31998532.1126009292538.JavaMail.root@web3.mail.adelphia.net> Greetings all, My struggles with getting Dansguardian/squid to work on my k12 box via webmin have forced me to ask you folks on the list if there is someone willing to take a phone call from me to share their knowledge of this topic, so I can get content filtering to work straight off my k12ltsp server. I am in Vermont, USA, Eastern time zone. I will call you. I am looking for someone to quickly walk me through the setup process. I will have a fresh install of 4.4.0 ready, with webmin installed. If someone can help, just let me know the day/time/phone # to call. Thanks! WIll From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 13:09:11 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:09:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: pykota problem In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605090522137f8023d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605090522137f8023d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd3175605090606097a682c0d@mail.gmail.com> Also, here's the help options. I've experimented a bit but no luck. Any Ideas? Also What's sthe standard procedure for uninstallation for python packages? Peter Options for 'build' command: --build-base (-b) base directory for build library --build-purelib build directory for platform-neutral distributions --build-platlib build directory for platform-specific distributions --build-lib build directory for all distribution (defaults to either build-purelib or build-platlib --build-scripts build directory for scripts --build-temp (-t) temporary build directory --compiler (-c) specify the compiler type --debug (-g) compile extensions and libraries with debugging information --force (-f) forcibly build everything (ignore file timestamps) --help-compiler list available compilers Options for 'install' command: --prefix installation prefix --exec-prefix (Unix only) prefix for platform-specific files --home (Unix only) home directory to install under --install-base base installation directory (instead of --prefix or -- home) --install-platbase base installation directory for platform-specific files (instead of --exec-prefix or --home) --root install everything relative to this alternate root directory --install-purelib installation directory for pure Python module distributions --install-platlib installation directory for non-pure module distributions --install-lib installation directory for all module distributions (overrides --install-purelib and --install-platlib) --install-headers installation directory for C/C++ headers --install-scripts installation directory for Python scripts --install-data installation directory for data files --compile (-c) compile .py to .pyc [default] --no-compile don't compile .py files --optimize (-O) also compile with optimization: -O1 for "python -O", -O2 for "python -OO", and -O0 to disable [default: -O0] --force (-f) force installation (overwrite any existing files) --skip-build skip rebuilding everything (for testing/debugging) --record filename in which to record list of installed files On 9/6/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey List, > For Pykota to have a "graphical print quota reminder" it needs pyosd. > However when I installed it, it ended up in lib64 not lib. How can I > tell the setup.py to use 32bit? I'm not getting the idea from 'python > setup.py --help". > > Thanks, > Peter > From Joe.Augsburger at dayscreek.k12.or.us Tue Sep 6 14:17:35 2005 From: Joe.Augsburger at dayscreek.k12.or.us (Joe Augsburger) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 07:17:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DakTech Server Nic Question intel 82541PI Message-ID: I have a new DAK built server; set it up about four weeks ago. Had similar issues where it would hang during installation. Gave up, for the time, on using the seond integrated gigabit NIC and added a pci-slot gigabit NIC, which was detected without a problem and 'cured' the hang I was getting during the installation. When things settle down and I have more time I'll investigate the issue further. If anyone in the interim finds a way to use the second onboard NIC, hope they'll post to the list. DAK tech will be very helpful; they've got great support. Joe Augsburger Days Creek SD#15 Oregon >>> dtrask at vcsvikings.org 9/6/2005 5:24:21 AM >>> I'm curious as to which server you got....some of my older ones did not particularly like FC4, but I was able to get them working with noapic and acpi=off at the boot prompt....if you do this on install then it will stick as part of the boot menu. Once I did that they worked slick....in fact, fast than last year! I bought a new server this year that appears to be using some different hardware...such as a different SCSI controller....it simply works all around. Now the older servers worked fine with FC2 and 3....so go figure. If you add an additional NIC....will that get detected? I realize it may not be gigabit, but we're just testing here. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Sep 6 14:31:32 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:31:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Call for Help: Katrina Public Web Stations Project In-Reply-To: <20050904135408.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.122c688416.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <003501c5b2ef$ad64f610$eb9b060a@winonacotter.org> I have just listed 200+ Bondi iMacs on HYPERLINK "http://www.diyparts.org"www.diyparts.org. I would be willing to clone the hard drives with any supplied image if someone could put them to use. I could possibly help fund some shipping as well. The HD's are 4GB so that would be the only limitation. The machines are 233mhz with 160MB RAM and 15" monitor. They all have 10/100MB ethernet ports and a 56kbps modem. About 60% of them have working CDROMs so cloning the HDs would be a better option, and probably more stable. These would also make great terminals for K12LTSP in makeshift schools. Please contact me if you have any other ideas on how to help out with these computers. I have gotten permission to let them all go for free. I also have about 50 Macintosh G3 All-in-One computers as well if they could be of use. They all have been upgraded with 10/100MB ethernet cards. I can ship them with OS9 and some apps as our licenses for these are no longer in use. I could also leave OS9 on the 200+ iMacs with software if needed. These would make nice compact machines easy to setup with minimal cables. I have keyboards, mice, and power cords for them all as well. I will be traveling to Topeka Kansas on Sept 9th and could possibly meet someone there with a truckload of computers. I would be willing to rent a uhaul to get them that far. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of rmcdaniel at indata.us Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 3:54 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Call for Help: Katrina Public Web Stations Project We are in Brewton, AL. and will be housing around 100 hurricane victims at our local YMCA. I will be meeting with the CEO of the Y to see if we can use a room to setup several of these terminals to provide Internet access. I have several PIII 800Mhz with 128MB Ram that I will be setting up for Internet access. I will let the group know the needs tomorrow. Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 363-3201 cell HYPERLINK "mailto:rmcdaniel at indata.us"rmcdaniel at indata.us -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Call for Help: Katrina Public Web Stations Project From: John Baillie Date: Sat, September 03, 2005 5:32 pm To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Steve Hargadon wrote: >>First is there a PPC version of this iso image? >> >> > >Not that I know of. > > >>Second, do you have the backing of any of the major organizations approving >>the project? I assume you will need their support/approval to even start >>placing this equipment. >> >> > >We're leaving that to the local individuals to work with the aid >agencies. We haven't been approach on a large level by any agencies >yet. That's the whole reason for the grass-roots nature of the >projetec. > > > > Steve, It's a 12 hour drive to Gulfport MS. from where I live. I am sure I can donate some time. Let me know. 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Name: paulsenj.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 306 bytes Desc: not available URL: From petre at maltzen.net Tue Sep 6 15:36:29 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:36:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM default theme / appearance In-Reply-To: <431DB492.8060608@frederic.k12.wi.us> References: <431DB492.8060608@frederic.k12.wi.us> Message-ID: <431DB77D.9080504@maltzen.net> Look in /usr/share/icewm/ and you'll see the files that provide the system-side settings. Users can override these with their own copies of these files in ~/.icewm/. Petre Justin Paulsen wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, > > Is there someway to change the default IceWM theme and also tweak the > menu bar and programs menu on mass? > > Thanks, > > - -- > Justin Paulsen > IT Coordinator > Frederic School District > 1-715-327-4223 > paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us > > "The world is open. Are you?" > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFDHbSS1ed72CY2bpoRAiTlAJ4qYtG2Fs9H7033KyKX9G3YwCbJkgCeNdzd > k810mFZVyxALewqIQKkHWJM= > =cPsP > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Tue Sep 6 15:46:01 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:46:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No apps in IceWM under Gnome submenu in K12LTSP 4.4.1 Message-ID: <431DB9B9.8010000@maltzen.net> In previous releases of K12LTSP, if one chose the IceWM, there was a Gnome submenu off the main menu that contained all the apps that one see if the Gnome desktop was chosen. This was a good way of having access to all the Gnome apps without the overhead of running Gnome itself. But in the 4.4.1 release of K12LTSP, while there is a Gnome submenu, none of the apps are there, just some things like Font Catalog, Theme Catalog, About Gnome, Search for Files, etc. It seems like it's just a mix of the Places and Desktop menus from Gnome. What builds the Gnome submenu that's under IceWM? Petre From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Sep 6 16:02:04 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 09:02:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] No apps in IceWM under Gnome submenu in K12LTSP 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <431DB9B9.8010000@maltzen.net> References: <431DB9B9.8010000@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <431DBD7C.60901@paasda.org> one can also double click on the 'start here' icon...and gain access to all of those gnome menu items albeit through icon/folder navigation rather than a menu =) --Huck Petre Scheie wrote: > In previous releases of K12LTSP, if one chose the IceWM, there was a > Gnome submenu off the main menu that contained all the apps that one see > if the Gnome desktop was chosen. This was a good way of having access > to all the Gnome apps without the overhead of running Gnome itself. But > in the 4.4.1 release of K12LTSP, while there is a Gnome submenu, none of > the apps are there, just some things like Font Catalog, Theme Catalog, > About Gnome, Search for Files, etc. It seems like it's just a mix of > the Places and Desktop menus from Gnome. What builds the Gnome submenu > that's under IceWM? > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Sep 6 16:13:43 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:13:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] No apps in IceWM under Gnome submenu in K12LTSP 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <431DBD7C.60901@paasda.org> References: <431DB9B9.8010000@maltzen.net> <431DBD7C.60901@paasda.org> Message-ID: <431DC037.5030809@maltzen.net> Hmm, I don't see a 'start here' icon. I think that went away also. Huck wrote: > one can also double click on the 'start here' icon...and gain access to > all of those gnome menu items albeit through icon/folder navigation > rather than a menu =) > > --Huck > > Petre Scheie wrote: > >> In previous releases of K12LTSP, if one chose the IceWM, there was a >> Gnome submenu off the main menu that contained all the apps that one >> see if the Gnome desktop was chosen. This was a good way of having >> access to all the Gnome apps without the overhead of running Gnome >> itself. But in the 4.4.1 release of K12LTSP, while there is a Gnome >> submenu, none of the apps are there, just some things like Font >> Catalog, Theme Catalog, About Gnome, Search for Files, etc. It seems >> like it's just a mix of the Places and Desktop menus from Gnome. What >> builds the Gnome submenu that's under IceWM? >> >> Petre >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 16:27:16 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 12:27:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Squeak License & Apple -- paging Daryl Hawes Message-ID: <92de6c88050906092713de0c@mail.gmail.com> As some of you know, Squeak is an educational computing environment developed originally at Apple by a team led by Alan Kay. Rather than getting bogged down in an inadequate explanation of this unique product, I'll point you to http://squeakland.org/ for more. As I understand it, Apple stopped funding the project around 1996 and, much to their credit, released the code under what was intended to be an open source license: the Squeak License. At this point, corporations weren't used to dealing with open source and generally speaking, the legal territory wasn't as well understood. Overall, the Squeak License is a very liberal license, but it has a few lawyer-inspired gotchas which prevent it from meeting the Debian Free Software Guidelines, so it is not included in the Debian distribution. See this page for more details: http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/3733 This is particularly frustrating because many national and regional governments, particularly in the developing world, are developing custom Linux distributions to use in schools and libraries, and many of these are based on Debian. If Squeak isn't part of the Debian distribution, it is harder for them to use Squeak, which is potentially a powerful learning tool. The problems with the license are minor and technical, and one could argue that the Debian project should just compromise. However, one of the main reasons governments around the world are using Debian is because Debian maintains such strict standards for licensing, standards that protect the user. For example, the current Squeak License could leave a local third world goverment liable for indemnifying Apple against a lawsuit. You can see why that would be unacceptable. Anyhow... as far as I know, nobody has made a serious attempt lately to get Apple to change the license. I think the open source world is big enough at this point that a petition drive could be effective, since the goal would simply be for Apple to relicense Squeak under a standard license like the MIT or BSD license. The only cost to Apple is a few hours of lawyer time. They don't make any money off Squeak now and they never will in the future anyhow. The first step, however, is just to try to get the attention of the right people at Apple. I stuck Daryl Hawes name in the subject line since he did such a great job of representing Apple at NELS. Perhaps he can point us to someone higher up the chain of command that might be able to help us out. Or perhaps someone else on the list has useful contacts at Apple. Regardless, your help would be appreciated. I'm getting sick of discussing this license on every open source in education list I'm a member of. I'd just like to fix the problem. --Tom From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 17:23:48 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:23:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: pykota problem In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605090606097a682c0d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605090522137f8023d1@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605090606097a682c0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd31756050906102375acb6fd@mail.gmail.com> Man, I'm SO close. After doing this : python setup.py build --build-lib /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages python setup.py install --install-lib /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages It's just copying the 64bit version into the 32bit library. Any Python gurus out there? Thanks, Peter On 9/6/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Also, here's the help options. I've experimented a bit but no luck. > Any Ideas? Also What's sthe standard procedure for uninstallation for > python packages? > > Peter > > Options for 'build' command: > --build-base (-b) base directory for build library > --build-purelib build directory for platform-neutral distributions > --build-platlib build directory for platform-specific distributions > --build-lib build directory for all distribution (defaults to either > build-purelib or build-platlib > --build-scripts build directory for scripts > --build-temp (-t) temporary build directory > --compiler (-c) specify the compiler type > --debug (-g) compile extensions and libraries with debugging > information > --force (-f) forcibly build everything (ignore file timestamps) > --help-compiler list available compilers > > Options for 'install' command: > --prefix installation prefix > --exec-prefix (Unix only) prefix for platform-specific files > --home (Unix only) home directory to install under > --install-base base installation directory (instead of --prefix or -- > home) > --install-platbase base installation directory for platform-specific files > (instead of --exec-prefix or --home) > --root install everything relative to this alternate root > directory > --install-purelib installation directory for pure Python module > distributions > --install-platlib installation directory for non-pure module distributions > --install-lib installation directory for all module distributions > (overrides --install-purelib and --install-platlib) > --install-headers installation directory for C/C++ headers > --install-scripts installation directory for Python scripts > --install-data installation directory for data files > --compile (-c) compile .py to .pyc [default] > --no-compile don't compile .py files > --optimize (-O) also compile with optimization: -O1 for "python -O", -O2 > for "python -OO", and -O0 to disable [default: -O0] > --force (-f) force installation (overwrite any existing files) > --skip-build skip rebuilding everything (for testing/debugging) > --record filename in which to record list of installed files > > > > On 9/6/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Hey List, > > For Pykota to have a "graphical print quota reminder" it needs pyosd. > > However when I installed it, it ended up in lib64 not lib. How can I > > tell the setup.py to use 32bit? I'm not getting the idea from 'python > > setup.py --help". > > > > Thanks, > > Peter > > > From vceder at canterburyschool.org Tue Sep 6 17:40:46 2005 From: vceder at canterburyschool.org (Vern Ceder) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:40:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: pykota problem In-Reply-To: <9bd31756050906102375acb6fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605090522137f8023d1@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605090606097a682c0d@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050906102375acb6fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <431DD49E.3090302@canterburyschool.org> Uh... are you using a 64-bit version of Python? The python that is is used to execute the setup.py script will influence the build/install, as I recall. Try specifying the path to your 32-bit python when you run setup.py. I haven't tried it with 32 vs 64 bit stuff, so that may not be the problem, but it's worth a try. Cheers, Vern Peter Hartmann wrote: > Man, I'm SO close. After doing this : > > python setup.py build --build-lib /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages > python setup.py install --install-lib /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages > > It's just copying the 64bit version into the 32bit library. Any > Python gurus out there? > > Thanks, > Peter > > > > On 9/6/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > >>Also, here's the help options. I've experimented a bit but no luck. >>Any Ideas? Also What's sthe standard procedure for uninstallation for >>python packages? >> >>Peter >> >>Options for 'build' command: >> --build-base (-b) base directory for build library >> --build-purelib build directory for platform-neutral distributions >> --build-platlib build directory for platform-specific distributions >> --build-lib build directory for all distribution (defaults to either >> build-purelib or build-platlib >> --build-scripts build directory for scripts >> --build-temp (-t) temporary build directory >> --compiler (-c) specify the compiler type >> --debug (-g) compile extensions and libraries with debugging >> information >> --force (-f) forcibly build everything (ignore file timestamps) >> --help-compiler list available compilers >> >>Options for 'install' command: >> --prefix installation prefix >> --exec-prefix (Unix only) prefix for platform-specific files >> --home (Unix only) home directory to install under >> --install-base base installation directory (instead of --prefix or -- >> home) >> --install-platbase base installation directory for platform-specific files >> (instead of --exec-prefix or --home) >> --root install everything relative to this alternate root >> directory >> --install-purelib installation directory for pure Python module >> distributions >> --install-platlib installation directory for non-pure module distributions >> --install-lib installation directory for all module distributions >> (overrides --install-purelib and --install-platlib) >> --install-headers installation directory for C/C++ headers >> --install-scripts installation directory for Python scripts >> --install-data installation directory for data files >> --compile (-c) compile .py to .pyc [default] >> --no-compile don't compile .py files >> --optimize (-O) also compile with optimization: -O1 for "python -O", -O2 >> for "python -OO", and -O0 to disable [default: -O0] >> --force (-f) force installation (overwrite any existing files) >> --skip-build skip rebuilding everything (for testing/debugging) >> --record filename in which to record list of installed files >> >> >> >>On 9/6/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: >> >>>Hey List, >>>For Pykota to have a "graphical print quota reminder" it needs pyosd. >>>However when I installed it, it ended up in lib64 not lib. How can I >>>tell the setup.py to use 32bit? I'm not getting the idea from 'python >>>setup.py --help". >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Peter >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 17:54:34 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:54:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Call for Help: Katrina Public Web Stations Project In-Reply-To: <003501c5b2ef$ad64f610$eb9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <20050904135408.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.122c688416.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> <003501c5b2ef$ad64f610$eb9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: ABCnews.com picked up the story today. http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1098926&page=1 Most cool. On 9/6/05, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I have just listed 200+ Bondi iMacs on www.diyparts.org. I would be willing > to clone the hard drives with any supplied image if someone could put them > to use. I could possibly help fund some shipping as well. The HD's are 4GB > so that would be the only limitation. The machines are 233mhz with 160MB > RAM and 15" monitor. They all have 10/100MB ethernet ports and a 56kbps > modem. About 60% of them have working CDROMs so cloning the HDs would be a > better option, and probably more stable. These would also make great > terminals for K12LTSP in makeshift schools. > > Please contact me if you have any other ideas on how to help out with these > computers. I have gotten permission to let them all go for free. > > I also have about 50 Macintosh G3 All-in-One computers as well if they could > be of use. They all have been upgraded with 10/100MB ethernet cards. I can > ship them with OS9 and some apps as our licenses for these are no longer in > use. > > I could also leave OS9 on the 200+ iMacs with software if needed. > > These would make nice compact machines easy to setup with minimal cables. I > have keyboards, mice, and power cords for them all as well. > > I will be traveling to Topeka Kansas on Sept 9th and could possibly meet > someone there with a truckload of computers. I would be willing to rent a > uhaul to get them that far. > > > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of rmcdaniel at indata.us > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 3:54 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Call for Help: Katrina Public Web Stations Project > > > We are in Brewton, AL. and will be housing around 100 hurricane victims at > our local YMCA. I will be meeting with the CEO of the Y to see if we can > use a room to setup several of these terminals to provide Internet access. > I have several PIII 800Mhz with 128MB Ram that I will be setting up for > Internet access. I will let the group know the needs tomorrow. > > Thanks, > > > Ron > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 363-3201 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Call for Help: Katrina Public Web Stations > Project > From: John Baillie > Date: Sat, September 03, 2005 5:32 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > Steve Hargadon wrote: > > >>First is there a PPC version of this iso image? > >> > >> > > > >Not that I know of. > > > > > >>Second, do you have the backing of any of the major organizations > approving > >>the project? I assume you will need their support/approval to even start > >>placing this equipment. > >> > >> > > > >We're leaving that to the local individuals to work with the aid > >agencies. We haven't been approach on a large level by any agencies > >yet. That's the whole reason for the grass-roots nature of the > >projetec. > > > > > > > > > Steve, > > It's a 12 hour drive to Gulfport MS. from where I live. I am sure I can > donate some time. > > Let me know. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Tech Department and is > believed to be clean. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 9/2/2005 > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Tech Department and is > believed to be clean. > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 9/2/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Sep 6 20:15:00 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:15:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows on a LTSP network Message-ID: <7CD73328.463E21F2.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi, We have added a number of W2K workstations onto the K12ltsp network, the stations get an IP address but cannot access the internet, suggestions please .... The setup is as follows; Cable modem -> K12ltsp Server -> switch -> workstations (Thin clients & W2K) thks norbert __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From jam at mcquil.com Tue Sep 6 20:18:53 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Windows on a LTSP network In-Reply-To: <7CD73328.463E21F2.0092C281@netscape.net> References: <7CD73328.463E21F2.0092C281@netscape.net> Message-ID: Norbert, The LTSP server needs to be configured to do NAT and IP Forwarding. I think eric has some magic script that'll turn that on for you. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Hi, > > We have added a number of W2K workstations onto the K12ltsp network, the stations get an IP address but cannot access the internet, suggestions please .... > > The setup is as follows; > Cable modem -> K12ltsp Server -> switch -> workstations (Thin clients & W2K) > > thks > norbert > > __________________________________________________________________ > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. > As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register > > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer > Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. > Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Sep 6 20:26:03 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:26:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows on a LTSP network Message-ID: <20050906132603.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.3097ae5be8.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From caldodge at fpcc.net Tue Sep 6 21:19:59 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 15:19:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows on a LTSP network In-Reply-To: <7CD73328.463E21F2.0092C281@netscape.net> References: <7CD73328.463E21F2.0092C281@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20050906211959.GA22012@fpcc.net> On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 04:15:00PM -0400, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Hi, > > We have added a number of W2K workstations onto the K12ltsp network, the stations get an IP address but cannot access the internet, suggestions please .... > > The setup is as follows; > Cable modem -> K12ltsp Server -> switch -> workstations (Thin clients & W2K) Is the K12LTSP server set up for ip forwarding and masquerading? Is "nat" active? ("service nat start" to start now, "chkconfig nat on" to start automatically after reboot) It's not an issue for your ltsp workstations, since the actual processing is done at the server end, and it's connected directly to the Internet. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Tue Sep 6 21:15:51 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 15:15:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows on a LTSP network In-Reply-To: <7CD73328.463E21F2.0092C281@netscape.net> References: <7CD73328.463E21F2.0092C281@netscape.net> Message-ID: <431E0707.1000602@saskforestcentre.ca> Also check that the entry in /etc/init.d/nat points at the correct ethernet card. In my system, the GB ethernet adapter is eth1 and the 100M network is on eth0. I switched everything around, I thought, but I found out a few months later that a non-terminal could not get out. After some trials, I found a pointer on this list somewhere, and checked that nat was working properly. I found that I had not updated /etc/init.d/nat to NAT the correct network card. After I editted the file and service nat restart'd, it worked. Angus. bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: >Hi, > >We have added a number of W2K workstations onto the K12ltsp network, the stations get an IP address but cannot access the internet, suggestions please .... > >The setup is as follows; >Cable modem -> K12ltsp Server -> switch -> workstations (Thin clients & W2K) > >thks >norbert > >__________________________________________________________________ >Switch to Netscape Internet Service. >As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register > >Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > >New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer >Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. >Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Sep 6 21:59:01 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:59:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Northeast Linux Symposium 2006 in two locations! Message-ID: Hi all! First of all, the 2005 Northeast Linux Symposium at Gould Academy in Bethel Maine was a resounding success! Very well attended and we had some great classes...awesome speakers (Maddog Hall and Jim MacQuillan)...and not to mention FANTASTIC food! Each year we learn new things on how to improve....this coming year is no exception. Matt and I are tossing around lots of ideas, but two things we're pretty sure of for Gould this year will be the addition of another "track" for teachers and end-users! We want to encourage schools and districts as well as other organizations to bring teams of people to learn more about using free and open source software in your school or business. It's a great way o get away and FOCUS for several days without interruption. Several teams this year were able to spend quality time with one another and developed some great long and short range plans for technology in their schools. Having time alone....to discuss...bounce ideas off others and so forth is worth it alone! Now....aside from that....NELS is also expanding! We'll be offering another opportunity for learning even more (this will NOT be a duplicate conference)...a couple weeks later at the University of New Hampshire! We have met with the UNH folks and they are excited to host our conference! Matt and I are working on several ideas for that "edition" of the NELS conference including a track or session for school administrators as well as a track for consultants and vendors who wish to support Linux in schools and businesses (so bring your favorite tech vendor/consultant!) We're hoping to effectively "augment" the Gould Academy sessions by offering different and/or more advanced content/tracks at UNH. (Don't worry...we'll still have tracks that are appropriate for newcomers) The dates are currently set for: NELS at Gould Academy in Maine (now going into our 4th year!) Arrival the afternoon/eve of June 18th....with sessions June 19th - 21st (note the early arrival!...We listened! :-) NELS at UNH in Durham, New Hampshire July 16th - 19th Prices and info will be available shortly (we still have some details to work out). We're looking for presenters! If you are interested...let us know! We're particularly interested in having some teachers who use Linux to present to their peers. Help us make this year the best ever! http://www.nelinux.net Keep watching for more info! *Note: In the wake of recent events....now more than ever schools and businesses need to find ways to maximize their return on investment of technology dollars. Even if you don't plan on using Linux or Open Source in the classroom....you may learn new strategies for your network that can save you $$$. Each year folks come back and each year I see them slowly moving toward more cost-effective technologies. In the end....that's what it's all about. Hope you can join us this year! :-) One final note....Linux is playing a part in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina by bringing loved ones together through the use of free or inexpensive Public Web Stations. http://www.publicwebstations.com/ ABCNews has even picked up the story! http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1098926&page=1 Read and learn how you can help...not only in the wake of Katrina, but in the future in an area near you where folks may benefit from being able to contact loved ones simply to let them know they're OK. :-) Our hearts go out to those who were victims of the hurricane and their loved ones. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From robertgomberg at huntingworld.com Tue Sep 6 22:08:14 2005 From: robertgomberg at huntingworld.com (Robert E. Gomberg) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 15:08:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware Network Message-ID: <200509062208.j86M85ge003237@mx1.redhat.com> While communicating with the school districts IT people I got the following answer when I asked how I could get an internet connection to a LTSP server and six thin clients in one of the classrooms. "We have standards that must be followed and adhered to. Any server that is attached to the network must be a specific HP server with a specific set of configuration parameters. Also we are a Netware 6.5 shop, and do not run Linux with the exception of a couple of enterprise apps that require it. Any desktop attached to the network must have the latest Mcafee anti-virus software, the latest Netware 6.5 client, and the Mcafee EPO client installed." Is this a dead end and should I look for a way to drop a separate internet connection? Thanks, Robert From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Sep 6 22:18:03 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 15:18:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware Network In-Reply-To: <200509062208.j86M85ge003237@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200509062208.j86M85ge003237@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <431E159B.7090908@paasda.org> Hi-jack an existing cat5 connection... plug it into eth1... plug eth0 into your switch.. plug thin clients into your switch... don't use the word "server" =) tell them it has the latest mcafee and netware clients installed (none...I don't believe there is any for k12ltsp =) odds are they use dhcp so it'll hand an IP to your LTSP machine and you're golden from there. --Huck Robert E. Gomberg wrote: > While communicating with the school districts IT people I got the following > answer when I asked how I could get an internet connection to a LTSP server > and six thin clients in one of the classrooms. > > "We have standards that must be followed and adhered to. Any server that is > attached to the network must be a specific HP server with a specific set of > configuration parameters. Also we are a Netware 6.5 shop, and do not run > Linux with the exception of a couple of enterprise apps that require it. Any > desktop attached to the network must have the latest Mcafee anti-virus > software, the latest Netware 6.5 client, and the Mcafee EPO client > installed." > > Is this a dead end and should I look for a way to drop a separate internet > connection? > > Thanks, Robert > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Sep 6 22:24:27 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:24:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No apps in IceWM under Gnome submenu in K12LTSP 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <431DB9B9.8010000@maltzen.net> References: <431DB9B9.8010000@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Although I couldn't find a way around this exact issue....here's what I did to get many of the programs fom Gnome into IceWM. I ran a program called MenuMaker....this generated many menu items for me for things like the Gnome Games...etc. I then simply edited that down to what I wanted. Worked pretty good and still kept out a lot of the fluff. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tue Sep 6 2005 at 11:46 +0000 wrote: >In previous releases of K12LTSP, if one chose the IceWM, there was a >Gnome submenu off >the main menu that contained all the apps that one see if the Gnome >desktop was chosen. > This was a good way of having access to all the Gnome apps without the >overhead of >running Gnome itself. But in the 4.4.1 release of K12LTSP, while there >is a Gnome >submenu, none of the apps are there, just some things like Font Catalog, >Theme Catalog, >About Gnome, Search for Files, etc. It seems like it's just a mix of the >Places and >Desktop menus from Gnome. What builds the Gnome submenu that's under >IceWM? > >Petre David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Sep 6 22:30:41 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:30:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows on a LTSP network In-Reply-To: <7CD73328.463E21F2.0092C281@netscape.net> References: <7CD73328.463E21F2.0092C281@netscape.net> Message-ID: Two things....I've always had Windows workstations either on the same LAN or behind an LTSP box....first...check the firewall on the K12LTSP box....even disable it temporarily....if things work then....now you have a starting point. Second....in Windows...turn off "auto-detect" proxy settings in the browser...this will often stop you from getting anywhere. Make sure the gateway is correctly set....in ipconfig /all....does the gateway show? Is it the right one? The terminals already know as they are essentially running on the server....thus no extra hop...but the Windows machines really need to know what the gateway is....be sure they are getting the correct info. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tue Sep 6 2005 at 16:15 +0000 wrote: >Hi, > >We have added a number of W2K workstations onto the K12ltsp network, the >stations get an IP address but cannot access the internet, suggestions >please .... > >The setup is as follows; >Cable modem -> K12ltsp Server -> switch -> workstations (Thin clients & >W2K) > >thks >norbert David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Sep 6 22:48:44 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:48:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware Network In-Reply-To: <431E159B.7090908@paasda.org> References: <200509062208.j86M85ge003237@mx1.redhat.com> <431E159B.7090908@paasda.org> Message-ID: <431E1CCC.5050406@cmosnetworks.com> Seconded, unfortunately. Two years ago I had to do the same kind of thing in a "Windows shop." BTW, my K12LTSP setup was finally found out about and removed. It is no more. Twenty-five new Pentium 2.8GHz machines with 256MB DRAM running Windows XP and MS Office have taken its place. Fortunately, I was not implicated in this "crime", which is why I can never and will never name the school. Two years...trouble free...loved by the kids, principal, and eventually teachers alike...it was a good run. --TP Huck wrote: > Hi-jack an existing cat5 connection... > plug it into eth1... > plug eth0 into your switch.. > plug thin clients into your switch... > > don't use the word "server" =) > tell them it has the latest mcafee and netware clients installed > (none...I don't believe there is any for k12ltsp =) > > odds are they use dhcp so it'll hand an IP to your LTSP machine and > you're golden from there. > > --Huck > > Robert E. Gomberg wrote: > >> While communicating with the school districts IT people I got the >> following >> answer when I asked how I could get an internet connection to a LTSP >> server >> and six thin clients in one of the classrooms. >> >> "We have standards that must be followed and adhered to. Any server >> that is >> attached to the network must be a specific HP server with a specific >> set of >> configuration parameters. Also we are a Netware 6.5 shop, and do not run >> Linux with the exception of a couple of enterprise apps that require >> it. Any >> desktop attached to the network must have the latest Mcafee anti-virus >> software, the latest Netware 6.5 client, and the Mcafee EPO client >> installed." >> >> Is this a dead end and should I look for a way to drop a separate >> internet >> connection? >> >> Thanks, Robert >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Sep 6 23:22:02 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:22:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] lessons learned on smb/ldap setup in centos4 In-Reply-To: <42EF6FE6.1020404@msln.net> References: <42EF6FE6.1020404@msln.net> Message-ID: <9bd317560509061622ceb0b72@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Mark for the centos4 work. I'm having a bit of trouble running the smbldap-instarller though. I'm getting "Running smbldap-populate...failure!" Does anyone know what to do? Thanks, Peter On 8/2/05, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > For those interestedin the 4.2.1el smb/ldap setup here's what I've been > able to reproduce. Using Matt's 2.0 alpha version of the installer, and > an install of the 4.2.1EL version of centos4 without the LTSP package. > This is the change I made to the distro_data.pm. > > ################################### > "centos4" => > { > # this needs to be set because smbldap-tools-0.8.6-1 puts utilities > in here > PATH => "/usr/sbin", > > media_mnt_point => { cd => "/media/cd.*", }, > rpms => > { > 'perl-Convert-BER-1.31.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'perl-Unicode-Map8-0.12-*.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'perl-Crypt-SmbHash-0.02-*.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'perl-Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09-*.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'perl-Jcode-0.83-*.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'perl-Unicode-String-2.07-*.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-*.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'smbldap-tools-0.9.1-*.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'binutils-2.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'perl-HTML-Tagset-3.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'cpp-3.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'perl-libwww-perl-5.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'perl-URI-1.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'perl-HTML-Parser-3.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'samba-common-3.*.i386.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'samba-3.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'perl-XML-NamespaceSupport-1.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #2", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'perl-XML-SAX-0.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #2", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'perl-LDAP-0.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #2", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'perl-Convert-ASN1-0.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #2", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'gcc-3.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #3", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'openldap-clients-2.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #4", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'glibc-devel-2.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #3", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'glibc-headers-2.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #3", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'glibc-kernheaders-2.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #3", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'openldap-servers-2.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #3", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'perl-IO-Socket-SSL-0.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #3", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'perl-Digest-SHA1-2.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'perl-Net_SSLeay-1.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #4", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > }, > }, # end centos4 > > ################################### > > Then I did the CPAN Bundle::install thing > Next, I ran the script(make all) and noted all the rpms it could not find. > I then Went to the DAG (weirs) Site > http://dag.wieers.com/packages/ > And downloaded any packages that the script said that were missing and > dependencies that the rpms called for. Once all the packages were > installed and the script completed successfully, I rebooted. > At this point ldap seemed to consistantly fail. Go into the > /etc/openldap/ldap.conf and delete the TLS entry. Then I start ldap, > service ldap start. It then ran fine. > Then continue on with david's directions on testing the install. > > THE THINGS THAT GOT ME > 1. Firewall & SELinux , I shut them off. I'm not smart enough to get it > to work through the firewall. > 2. CUT & PASTE. One would think I would learn by now...DO NOT CUT AND > PASTE. Doing this can sometimes introduce hidden formatting charactors > that will hose you. Thanks to Derek Dresser for pointing that out. > 3. The TLS thing being in the ldap.conf file. > 4. Originally setting the file server up on a different network. I just > couldn't seem to figure out how to combat that, soooo I reloaded on the > network that it was going to be on and that cured many little issues. > 5. Paying attention to were the smbldap tools are located and adjusting > the script and or tools location to make it work. > > Hopefully this will help someone else with their install. > Mark > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msln.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Tue Sep 6 23:54:32 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:54:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware Network In-Reply-To: <200509062208.j86M85ge003237@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200509062208.j86M85ge003237@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <431E2C38.8080904@parkrose.k12.or.us> Robert E. Gomberg wrote: > Any > desktop attached to the network must have the latest Mcafee anti-virus > software, the latest Netware 6.5 client, and the Mcafee EPO client > installed." Novell Client for Linux http://www.novell.com/products/clients/linux/overview.html http://www.novell.com/documentation/linux_client/index.html http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=e8ho0P4r2SM~ Mcafee Anti-virus for Linux http://www.networkassociates.com/us/products/mcafee/antivirus/fileserver/linuxshield.htm Can't help you with the ePO client. I've seen references to an ePO agent for linux, but Google doesn't come up with much. Sounds like the IT dept. wants homogeneity, which is defensible as a policy, if a little inflexible. Would they do any better w/ Novell Linux Desktop w/ LTSP installed? At any rate, Novell is rapidly becoming a Linux shop, so expect to see more Linux/Netware interoperability forthcoming (see their new server release running on either NW or Linux, Groupwise client access w/ Evolution, etc.). Best of luck. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Tue Sep 6 23:57:29 2005 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:57:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader/Renaissance Place Message-ID: <431E2CE9.3030403@independence.k12.ia.us> Greetings everyone, Let me start off by saying that I've followed this list for the better part of a year without ever posting anything, so I'm a first-timer. I am the technology director for a 5 school district with approximately 1500 students in Iowa. With our ever-shrinking budget, I have been pushing for Linux on the desktop for some time. My superintendent loves the idea, and is totally for LTSP throughout the district. Naturally, we have some school board and staff members that are not entirely receptive to the idea....you know the drill....we need Microsoft, etc. At any rate, this summer I purchased the materials to build a dual processing opteron server with 4 gigs of memory. When I told the superintendent about the purchase and the cost(roughly $1600 from Newegg.com) he really fell in love with the idea. Last week, I finally talked a teacher into allowing some of her old junkers to be "upgraded" to LTSP thin clients, as well as a computer in our high school media center, and one additional client in my office. The immediate reaction is very positive--teacher and other staff members are very impressed with the speed of the system! I would eventually like to put about 20 clients on this system to see how the system reacts under a pretty full load. Can any of you comment on a fully loaded (20-25 clients) running on a dual opteron, 4 gig, WD Raptor hard drive setup? Now on to my real question. Are any of you using the web-based version of Accelerated Reader(Renaissance Place) with LTSP or Linux? If so, how is it working for you? The people at Renaissance have assured me that this will indeed work, but can't give me the names of any districts that are currently using LTSP with RP. When I go to RP website, I am able to use their sample quizzes within Firefox with no problem, using the flash plugin. I am going to try to convice RP to let my district test/pilot RP with LTSP/Linux so I can be assured that I'm not going to pay for a product that won't work. Any comments/advice welcome. Regards, Brad Johnson From opensource at whitenitro.com Wed Sep 7 00:33:55 2005 From: opensource at whitenitro.com (Bryant Patten) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:33:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: content filtering help In-Reply-To: <20050906160046.A3EDD73709@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050906160046.A3EDD73709@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <01cf88b87f0418c5e1003464ba13bb2f@whitenitro.com> Will - Where are you in Vermont? I am also in Vermont (Thetford) and have done a couple of Dansguardian installs for schools - though on standalone boxes and not with K12LTSP clients. Perhaps we can thrash it out together - ping me off list if you want to chat. Are you trying to install on the same box that runs your LTSP server? I thought someone on this list said that was not a good idea. Did you check the archives on this point? Bryant Patten White Nitro, LLC On Sep 6, 2005, at 12:00 PM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > My struggles with getting Dansguardian/squid to work on my k12 box via > webmin have forced me to ask you folks on the list if there is someone > willing to take a phone call from me to share their knowledge of this > topic, so I can get content filtering to work straight off my k12ltsp > server. I am in Vermont, USA, Eastern time zone. I will call you. I > am looking for someone to quickly walk me through the setup process. > I will have a fresh install of 4.4.0 ready, with webmin installed. If > someone can help, just let me know the day/time/phone # to call. > Thanks! > > WIll > From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Sep 7 01:06:24 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:06:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader/Renaissance Place Message-ID: <20050906180624.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.0fe367206c.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daniel at solle.se Wed Sep 7 01:18:47 2005 From: daniel at solle.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 03:18:47 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware Network Message-ID: <1126055927.80e35ecdaniel@solle.se> That sounds just really insane. The reason they run Mcafee is to protect the server from all the threats against Windows that doesnt exist in linux. There is a reason almost 100% of all antivirus apps for linux is geared towards finding Windows viruses. It sounds to me that they just cant stand linux and are throwing excuses your way. If you have the blessing of management explain in detail what youre up against and let them sort it out after you are certain they understand the issue and have a sense of just how much better Linux security is than its Windows counterpart. /daniel -----Original Message----- From: "Robert E. Gomberg" To: Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 15:08:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware Network While communicating with the school districts IT people I got the following answer when I asked how I could get an internet connection to a LTSP server and six thin clients in one of the classrooms. "We have standards that must be followed and adhered to. Any server that is attached to the network must be a specific HP server with a specific set of configuration parameters. Also we are a Netware 6.5 shop, and do not run Linux with the exception of a couple of enterprise apps that require it. Any desktop attached to the network must have the latest Mcafee anti-virus software, the latest Netware 6.5 client, and the Mcafee EPO client installed." Is this a dead end and should I look for a way to drop a separate internet connection? Thanks, Robert _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Wed Sep 7 01:56:10 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:56:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader/Renaissance Place In-Reply-To: <431E2CE9.3030403@independence.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <200509070151.j871pVk28472@www.mi-spot.com> Brad, You don't mention how fast your processors are, but it has been my expirence that more processors are better. I run a quad P3 550 MHz with 3 gb ram, and I have supported 22 clients, and even three kids in another part of the school on VNC. OpenOffice took a while to start up (about one full minute) with that many users, but once it was up it ran fine. Your milage may vary. I showed it to as many teachers that would listen to me. Nearly everyone really liked it, but since it wasn't Apple, our technology coordinator isn't interested in putting similar labs in other places in our district. The monitor of our one drop-in lab and our librarian both wanted the same setup. I've not had a chance to use my lab for any Renaissance Place for the students, but I was able to access the reports for teachers very eaisly. Good Luck Eric Brown -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brad Johnson Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 6:57 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader/Renaissance Place Greetings everyone, Let me start off by saying that I've followed this list for the better part of a year without ever posting anything, so I'm a first-timer. I am the technology director for a 5 school district with approximately 1500 students in Iowa. With our ever-shrinking budget, I have been pushing for Linux on the desktop for some time. My superintendent loves the idea, and is totally for LTSP throughout the district. Naturally, we have some school board and staff members that are not entirely receptive to the idea....you know the drill....we need Microsoft, etc. At any rate, this summer I purchased the materials to build a dual processing opteron server with 4 gigs of memory. When I told the superintendent about the purchase and the cost(roughly $1600 from Newegg.com) he really fell in love with the idea. Last week, I finally talked a teacher into allowing some of her old junkers to be "upgraded" to LTSP thin clients, as well as a computer in our high school media center, and one additional client in my office. The immediate reaction is very positive--teacher and other staff members are very impressed with the speed of the system! I would eventually like to put about 20 clients on this system to see how the system reacts under a pretty full load. Can any of you comment on a fully loaded (20-25 clients) running on a dual opteron, 4 gig, WD Raptor hard drive setup? Now on to my real question. Are any of you using the web-based version of Accelerated Reader(Renaissance Place) with LTSP or Linux? If so, how is it working for you? The people at Renaissance have assured me that this will indeed work, but can't give me the names of any districts that are currently using LTSP with RP. When I go to RP website, I am able to use their sample quizzes within Firefox with no problem, using the flash plugin. I am going to try to convice RP to let my district test/pilot RP with LTSP/Linux so I can be assured that I'm not going to pay for a product that won't work. Any comments/advice welcome. Regards, Brad Johnson _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Sep 7 02:31:54 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 22:31:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows on a LTSP network Message-ID: <263CA377.1429ED95.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi Jim, Thanks and where might that magic script be???? Eric could you enlighten me :o) thks norbert Jim McQuillan wrote: >Norbert, > >The LTSP server needs to be configured to do NAT and IP Forwarding. > >I think eric has some magic script that'll turn that on for you. > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > > > >On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> We have added a number of W2K workstations onto the K12ltsp network, the stations get an IP address but cannot access the internet, suggestions please .... >> >> The setup is as follows; >> Cable modem -> K12ltsp Server -> switch -> workstations (Thin clients & W2K) >> >> thks >> norbert >> >> __________________________________________________________________ >> Switch to Netscape Internet Service. >> As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register >> >> Netscape. Just the Net You Need. >> >> New! 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Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Sep 7 02:36:36 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 22:36:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows on a LTSP network Message-ID: <6EB78D80.6D0FA96A.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi David, Thanks, the w2k boxes are getting a proper IP address & have the correct gateway but they can't get out. If I set them up directly to the router via a switch there is no problem, but when I put the k12ltsp server in between they "loose their way" This happens whether iptables is up or not. thks norbert "David Trask" wrote: >Two things....I've always had Windows workstations either on the same LAN > "David Trask" wrote: >Two things....I've always had Windows workstations either on the same LAN >or behind an LTSP box....first...check the firewall on the K12LTSP >box....even disable it temporarily....if things work then....now you have >a starting point. Second....in Windows...turn off "auto-detect" proxy >settings in the browser...this will often stop you from getting anywhere. >Make sure the gateway is correctly set....in ipconfig /all....does the >gateway show? Is it the right one? The terminals already know as they >are essentially running on the server....thus no extra hop...but the >Windows machines really need to know what the gateway is....be sure they >are getting the correct info. > > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Tue Sep 6 2005 at 16:15 +0000 wrote: >>Hi, >> >>We have added a number of W2K workstations onto the K12ltsp network, the >>stations get an IP address but cannot access the internet, suggestions >>please .... >> >>The setup is as follows; >>Cable modem -> K12ltsp Server -> switch -> workstations (Thin clients & >>W2K) >> >>thks >>norbert > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Sep 7 02:45:49 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 22:45:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader/Renaissance Place In-Reply-To: <431E2CE9.3030403@independence.k12.ia.us> References: <431E2CE9.3030403@independence.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <431E545D.6080000@cmosnetworks.com> Hello Brad, I can't comment on Opterons, never having used them (yet!), but I can comment on its 32-bit brother, the Athlon MP. Up until very recently, I was running a single-NIC dual-Athlon 1.47GHz system with 4GB DRAM and Gigabit Ethernet. This server supported 25 clients and has run K12LTSP 2.1.2, 3.1.2, and finally 4.2.1 (I find that I really like 4.2.1). During its two-year existence, it impressed not only the principal and the students, but also (eventually) the teachers with its speed and stability; it actually had headroom for maybe 15 more terminals. Additionally, it was performing file-server duties via Samba for the Windows clients. At all times, it ran without even a single hiccup; the only thing that took it down unexpectedly was an extended power outage. My experience has taught me that our biggest friends for most tasks are, in the following order, DRAM, Gig-E, and then CPU oomph. If you're doing anything disk-I/O-intensive (e. g. heavy Samba or NFS file serving), consider RAID. That said, for what I was doing, plain ol' IDE sufficed quite nicely, probably due to all that DRAM. At the time I built it, it cost just under US$2,000 to do so. --TP Brad Johnson wrote: > Greetings everyone, > > Let me start off by saying that I've followed this list for the better > part of a year without ever posting anything, so I'm a first-timer. I > am the technology director for a 5 school district with approximately > 1500 students in Iowa. With our ever-shrinking budget, I have been > pushing for Linux on the desktop for some time. My superintendent loves > the idea, and is totally for LTSP throughout the district. Naturally, > we have some school board and staff members that are not entirely > receptive to the idea....you know the drill....we need Microsoft, etc. > At any rate, this summer I purchased the materials to build a dual > processing opteron server with 4 gigs of memory. When I told the > superintendent about the purchase and the cost(roughly $1600 from > Newegg.com) he really fell in love with the idea. Last week, I finally > talked a teacher into allowing some of her old junkers to be "upgraded" > to LTSP thin clients, as well as a computer in our high school media > center, and one additional client in my office. The immediate reaction > is very positive--teacher and other staff members are very impressed > with the speed of the system! I would eventually like to put about 20 > clients on this system to see how the system reacts under a pretty full > load. Can any of you comment on a fully loaded (20-25 clients) running > on a dual opteron, 4 gig, WD Raptor hard drive setup? > > Now on to my real question. Are any of you using the web-based version > of Accelerated Reader(Renaissance Place) with LTSP or Linux? If so, how > is it working for you? The people at Renaissance have assured me that > this will indeed work, but can't give me the names of any districts that > are currently using LTSP with RP. When I go to RP website, I am able to > use their sample quizzes within Firefox with no problem, using the flash > plugin. I am going to try to convice RP to let my district test/pilot > RP with LTSP/Linux so I can be assured that I'm not going to pay for a > product that won't work. Any comments/advice welcome. > > Regards, > > Brad Johnson From les at futuresource.com Wed Sep 7 03:03:33 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 22:03:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows on a LTSP network In-Reply-To: <6EB78D80.6D0FA96A.0092C281@netscape.net> References: <6EB78D80.6D0FA96A.0092C281@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1126062212.8828.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 21:36, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Thanks, the w2k boxes are getting a proper IP address & have > the correct gateway but they can't get out. If I set them up > directly to the router via a switch there is no problem, but > when I put the k12ltsp server in between they "loose their way" > This happens whether iptables is up or not. It should be a matter of: service nat start on the server, and chkconfig nat on to make it start automatically on subsequent boots. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From william at fragakis.com Wed Sep 7 03:33:31 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 23:33:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] AR/Renaissance Place Message-ID: <6e93778b0afd92eea8411604abc90345@fragakis.com> We've just moved to Ren. Place but it isn't up and running. That the whole Ren. Learning apps went browser-based is what allowed us to make the move to K12LTSP as we had a large inventory of books and tests in AR (over 6500). As soon as we get the database populated, we'll be in business. The files have been sent to Ren Learning so that's the only hold up. The demos worked fine on our test set up. Regards, William Fragakis Morris Brandon Elementary, Atlanta, GA, US From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Sep 7 04:57:06 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 21:57:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] AR/Renaissance Place Message-ID: <20050906215706.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.5904862635.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 05:12:42 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 01:12:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] acrobat reader plugin crashing firefox Message-ID: <9bd31756050906221223a31e16@mail.gmail.com> Hey All. My acrobat reader plugin crashes firefox but works ok standalone. Any ideas? I'm using Centos4 x86_64 but with firefox.i386. Thanks, Peter From scott at hosef.org Wed Sep 7 06:23:25 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 20:23:25 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows on a LTSP network In-Reply-To: <1126062212.8828.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <6EB78D80.6D0FA96A.0092C281@netscape.net> <1126062212.8828.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <431E875D.3030200@hosef.org> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 21:36, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > > >>Thanks, the w2k boxes are getting a proper IP address & have >>the correct gateway but they can't get out. If I set them up >>directly to the router via a switch there is no problem, but >>when I put the k12ltsp server in between they "loose their way" >>This happens whether iptables is up or not. > > > It should be a matter of: > service nat start > on the server, and > chkconfig nat on > to make it start automatically on subsequent boots. > I had the misfortune of learning about this in January. The file you need to edit is /etc/sysctl.conf. The first line, I believe, is something about ipforwarding, and its value is 0. Change this to a 1. Unless you want to cat 1 >> /proc/whatever the path is to ipforwarding, then a reboot is required. Until this is done, the traffic from your Wan will not forward to your Lan. I did notice that system-config-securitylevel now has a happy-friendly checkbox for masquerading, but I do not know if that enables forwarding. If you are going to share your IP space with a lot of clients that come and go, you may want to shorten the lease time for addresses. --scott From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Wed Sep 7 11:13:27 2005 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (Larry McPherson) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 07:13:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader/Renaissance Place In-Reply-To: <431E2CE9.3030403@independence.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <200509071213.j87CDavj020032@mx3.redhat.com> Brad, Please contact me off the list if you find a solution to the Accelerated Reader problem. I'm very interested - I could use a single web server for three grammar schools. I just reinstalled Windows on a library PC that I had installed (K12LTSP) - CentosEL on so the librarian can give reading tests to the students. I've left two classroom PCs loaded with Windows for the same reason. The librarian is pushing for more Windows PCs in the class rooms. I hope to find a solution prior to a test of wills. Overall (at this school) I've switched 90% of the PCs to Linux and would like to get closer to 100%. I'll also start researching the problem next week, and let you know if I find anything. Larry -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brad Johnson Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 7:57 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader/Renaissance Place Greetings everyone, Let me start off by saying that I've followed this list for the better part of a year without ever posting anything, so I'm a first-timer. I am the technology director for a 5 school district with approximately 1500 students in Iowa. With our ever-shrinking budget, I have been pushing for Linux on the desktop for some time. My superintendent loves the idea, and is totally for LTSP throughout the district. Naturally, we have some school board and staff members that are not entirely receptive to the idea....you know the drill....we need Microsoft, etc. At any rate, this summer I purchased the materials to build a dual processing opteron server with 4 gigs of memory. When I told the superintendent about the purchase and the cost(roughly $1600 from Newegg.com) he really fell in love with the idea. Last week, I finally talked a teacher into allowing some of her old junkers to be "upgraded" to LTSP thin clients, as well as a computer in our high school media center, and one additional client in my office. The immediate reaction is very positive--teacher and other staff members are very impressed with the speed of the system! I would eventually like to put about 20 clients on this system to see how the system reacts under a pretty full load. Can any of you comment on a fully loaded (20-25 clients) running on a dual opteron, 4 gig, WD Raptor hard drive setup? Now on to my real question. Are any of you using the web-based version of Accelerated Reader(Renaissance Place) with LTSP or Linux? If so, how is it working for you? The people at Renaissance have assured me that this will indeed work, but can't give me the names of any districts that are currently using LTSP with RP. When I go to RP website, I am able to use their sample quizzes within Firefox with no problem, using the flash plugin. I am going to try to convice RP to let my district test/pilot RP with LTSP/Linux so I can be assured that I'm not going to pay for a product that won't work. Any comments/advice welcome. Regards, Brad Johnson _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca Wed Sep 7 14:15:57 2005 From: k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 09:15:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] how to run script Message-ID: <431EF61D.3020707@stmaurice.mb.ca> I have a little .sh script that basically does the same thing that a user has to do the first time they go to use staroffice(ie the setup script that copies the workstation files into their home dir and changes ownership ,etc after they answer a few questions.) I have 600 plus users that need to run this script, SOME of which I teach, some I DO NOT. Whille I could point the kids I teach to the directory where the script resides, and tell them to double click on it and run it in terminal, I am uncertain that other teachers will remember to do so. I would lke to add the script to the logon of users for a few days until everyone has run it. then remove the reference to it. Trouble is I do not know where the logon script is please help From les at futuresource.com Wed Sep 7 14:37:44 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 09:37:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows on a LTSP network In-Reply-To: <431E875D.3030200@hosef.org> References: <6EB78D80.6D0FA96A.0092C281@netscape.net> <1126062212.8828.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <431E875D.3030200@hosef.org> Message-ID: <1126103864.17470.4.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-09-07 at 01:23, R. Scott Belford wrote: > > > >>Thanks, the w2k boxes are getting a proper IP address & have > >>the correct gateway but they can't get out. If I set them up > >>directly to the router via a switch there is no problem, but > >>when I put the k12ltsp server in between they "loose their way" > >>This happens whether iptables is up or not. > > > > > > It should be a matter of: > > service nat start > > on the server, and > > chkconfig nat on > > to make it start automatically on subsequent boots. > > > > I had the misfortune of learning about this in January. The file you > need to edit is /etc/sysctl.conf. The first line, I believe, is > something about ipforwarding, and its value is 0. Change this to a 1. > Unless you want to cat 1 >> /proc/whatever the path is to ipforwarding, > then a reboot is required. > > Until this is done, the traffic from your Wan will not forward to your Lan. The version of the /etc/rc.d/init.d/nat script that I checked included # Turn on IP forwarding echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward in the start section which I think should take care of it. Maybe some versions don't include that line. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From kevins at centerusd.k12.ca.us Wed Sep 7 15:45:25 2005 From: kevins at centerusd.k12.ca.us (Kevin Shira) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 08:45:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Accelerated Reader/Renaissance Place In-Reply-To: <20050907015645.574247353C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050907015645.574247353C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <431F0B15.4000103@centerusd.k12.ca.us> Wait a minute. I need to get this absolutely straight. Are you saying they told you you don't need Windows clients for the Web-based version of Accelerated Reader? They've always told me the clients HAVE to be Windows 98 or better, and HAVE to have .Net installed. I'm still upset about being forced to buy Windows 2003 Server boxes for Renaissance Place - this just adds insult to injury! -- Kevin Shira Computer Technician Center Unified School District kevins at centerusd.k12.ca.us From me at jasonclinton.com Wed Sep 7 16:11:36 2005 From: me at jasonclinton.com (Jason Clinton) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 11:11:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader/Renaissance Place Message-ID: <200509071111.39104.me@jasonclinton.com> Sorry if this reply doesn't get threaded correctly; I just joined this list to respond to your question. I just wanted to drop a note that the company I work for, Safedesk [1], has an LTSP-based product and one of its features is Accelerated Reader compatibility. I know that we have experience running AR up to versions 6.x working without any bugs. And depending on your needs, we can get it working with either a variant of Wine (run it in a window) or using a TS version of Win4Lin (run in on a Win9x desktop window). Reply to me off-list if you'd like some pricing for consulting to set this up. [1] http://www.safedesksolutions.com/ -- I use digital signatures and encryption. My key is stored at pgp.mit.edu key ID code: "0x8DB3BF09". F: F628 D9D3 E57A C281 5EFE 7DF7 B52A A393 8DB3 BF09 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Wed Sep 7 19:11:23 2005 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 14:11:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Accelerated Reader/Renaissance Place In-Reply-To: <431F0B15.4000103@centerusd.k12.ca.us> References: <20050907015645.574247353C@hormel.redhat.com> <431F0B15.4000103@centerusd.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <431F3B5B.6030008@independence.k12.ia.us> Hi guys, This topic seems to have generated a fair amount of interest. First off, I need to clarify that I do have a Windows 2000 Server that will host the Renaissance Place database. My understanding is that this is a requirement because the database is hosted on MSSQL or MSDE database. The other requirement appears to be IIS. Now, my question/issue is this: Does it matter what the client OS actually is? I'm speculating that it does not matter, because according to RP website, Firefox is a supported browser. In browsing their sample questions on their website (using LTSP/Firefox) it appears they are using the Flash plugin to serve the questions. I'm further assuming that since this is how they are serving their sample questions, this would also be how the questions are served once they are running on the local network. However, in talking to RP tech support yesterday, they cannot confirm that they know of anyone running Linux desktops and using RP successfully. So my question to all of you is: Are any of you using Linux desktops and successfully using the web-based version of RP? Thanks, Brad Johnson Kevin Shira wrote: > Wait a minute. I need to get this absolutely straight. Are you saying > they told you you don't need Windows clients for the Web-based version > of Accelerated Reader? > > They've always told me the clients HAVE to be Windows 98 or better, and > HAVE to have .Net installed. I'm still upset about being forced to buy > Windows 2003 Server boxes for Renaissance Place - this just adds insult > to injury! > From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 7 20:24:14 2005 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Mysql and php Message-ID: <20050907202415.88480.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com> I am trying to get some php files to work on my Apache Server. I have mysql and php loaded onto the server. This is what I get when I try to load a php file. php-5.0.4-10.4 mysql-4.1.12-2.RC4.1 Apache 2.0.54 Forbidden You don't have permission to access /info.php on this server. Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. Apache/2.0.54 (Fedora) Server at MadisonHS Port 80 I have tried reloading this several times and I get the same answer. I have given mysql a password and still am having problems. Any suggestions? Jennifer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Sep 7 20:24:21 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:24:21 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Mysql and php In-Reply-To: <20050907202415.88480.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050907202415.88480.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <431F4C75.1040707@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Have you tried calling a simple php file something like php info ?? Brian Jennifer Waters wrote: > I am trying to get some php files to work on my Apache > Server. I have mysql and php loaded onto the server. > This is what I get when I try to load a php file. > > php-5.0.4-10.4 > mysql-4.1.12-2.RC4.1 > Apache 2.0.54 > > Forbidden > > You don't have permission to access /info.php on this > server. > > Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered > while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the > request. > Apache/2.0.54 (Fedora) Server at MadisonHS Port 80 > > I have tried reloading this several times and I get > the same answer. I have given mysql a password and > still am having problems. > > Any suggestions? > > Jennifer > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Sep 7 20:30:10 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 14:30:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using thin client as a jetdirect device Message-ID: <1f989e71f98bff.1f98bff1f989e7@texas.rr.com> I am using FC4.4 I still can't get this critter to work. Here is what I have done and such. 1. I edited the lts.conf file as follows; [00:48:54:67:3a:64] PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = P 2. I edited the dhcpd.conf file as follows; host ws001 { hardware ethernet 00:48:54:67:3a:64; fixed-address 192.168.0.1 3. I opened dhcpd.leases and removed all enteries associated with that MAC address. 4. I ran updatedb 5. I ran dhcpd restart 6. I turned on the printer and started the terminal from power off. 7. I opened the Nautalis and went to localhosts631/printers 8. I added an HP Laserjet 4 plus. 9. I tried to print a test page and nothing happens not even any error messages. I'm getting somewhat frustrated with this so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Pat From scott at remc1.org Wed Sep 7 20:38:39 2005 From: scott at remc1.org (Scott Sherrill) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:38:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mysql and php In-Reply-To: <20050907202415.88480.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050907202415.88480.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <431F4FCF.1000208@remc1.org> Jennifer Waters wrote: >I am trying to get some php files to work on my Apache >Server. I have mysql and php loaded onto the server. >This is what I get when I try to load a php file. > >php-5.0.4-10.4 >mysql-4.1.12-2.RC4.1 >Apache 2.0.54 > >Forbidden > >You don't have permission to access /info.php on this >server. > >Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered >while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the >request. >Apache/2.0.54 (Fedora) Server at MadisonHS Port 80 > >I have tried reloading this several times and I get >the same answer. I have given mysql a password and >still am having problems. > >Any suggestions? > > Jennifer - If you are going to use php and mysql together you also need the package php-mysql and maybe mysql-server Also I would also consider restarting apache. If you added those modules I *think* it has to be restarted in order to see them (service httpd restart) Lastly, look at the permissions on the file. If the file isn't readable by the world (or your apache account), you will get the same message too. Scott From jam at mcquil.com Wed Sep 7 20:42:14 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Using thin client as a jetdirect device In-Reply-To: <1f989e71f98bff.1f98bff1f989e7@texas.rr.com> References: <1f989e71f98bff.1f98bff1f989e7@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: Pat, First thing, before doing anything in the print spooler setup, is try to telnet to the printer. That is: telnet ws001 9100 See if you can connect. If the connection is accepted, you should be able to type things on the keyboard ,and they should print on the printer. Press Ctrl-L to eject a page. If that works, then you've got a CUPS issue on the server. If the connection isn't accepted, then you have a problem on the workstation. Maybe the parallel module isn't being loaded or something. Which kernel are you booting on the client? I've heard of problems with printing and the LTSP 2.6.9 kernel. You should be using 2.4.26-ltsp-3. And, why are you running 'updatedb' ? Isn't that for the 'locate' command? One more thing you can try, is checking the bios settings for the printer port. I've seen issues with EPP settings. I don't remember the best setting, but I remember it needing to be changed. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > I am using FC4.4 > > I still can't get this critter to work. Here is what I have done and such. > > 1. I edited the lts.conf file as follows; > [00:48:54:67:3a:64] > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = P > > 2. I edited the dhcpd.conf file as follows; > host ws001 { > hardware ethernet 00:48:54:67:3a:64; > fixed-address 192.168.0.1 > > 3. I opened dhcpd.leases and removed all enteries associated with that > MAC address. > 4. I ran updatedb > 5. I ran dhcpd restart > 6. I turned on the printer and started the terminal from power off. > 7. I opened the Nautalis and went to localhosts631/printers > 8. I added an HP Laserjet 4 plus. > 9. I tried to print a test page and nothing happens not even any error > messages. > > I'm getting somewhat frustrated with this so any suggestions would be > greatly appreciated. > Thanks > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca Wed Sep 7 20:56:17 2005 From: k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 15:56:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO's Message-ID: <431F53F1.9030800@stmaurice.mb.ca> I downloaded the iso's for 4.4.1 when it was in pre2 or 3 I think. I installed my server samba everything I need it is working great! I have upgraded via yum and with apt-get no problem. I survived the first day of school and then went to install piddly stuff that I had not bothered to install initially off the cds but it says I need disk x(whatever number) of the set for 4.4.0? It appears to have somehow downgraded itself, at least in the cd it asks for I don't understand that. I am willing to download the iso's of 4.4.1 again, and burning them, but how to I tell the computer to use them? Maybe I am confused. I will download the latest and burn them, but would appreciate instructions on how to install without losing all I have done to date. Basically how to use it to update Thanks in advance Signed, I Feel Like A Newbie From k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca Wed Sep 7 21:05:14 2005 From: k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:05:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO's In-Reply-To: <431F53F1.9030800@stmaurice.mb.ca> References: <431F53F1.9030800@stmaurice.mb.ca> Message-ID: <431F560A.7020909@stmaurice.mb.ca> Liam Marshall wrote: > I downloaded the iso's for 4.4.1 when it was in pre2 or 3 I think. > > I installed my server samba everything I need it is working great! I > have upgraded via yum and with apt-get no problem. I survived the > first day of school and then went to install piddly stuff that I had > not bothered to install initially off the cds but it says I need disk > x(whatever number) of the set for 4.4.0? It appears to have somehow > downgraded itself, at least in the cd it asks for > > I don't understand that. I am willing to download the iso's of 4.4.1 > again, and burning them, but how to I tell the computer to use them? > > Maybe I am confused. I will download the latest and burn them, but > would appreciate instructions on how to install without losing all I > have done to date. Basically how to use it to update > > Thanks in advance > > Signed, > > I Feel Like A Newbie > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > I tried to end run this problem by going to synaptic manager and "adding a cd" to get to stuff on my distro, but it says something about not being able to find /mnt/cdrom/ which seems weird as when I insert a cd it does show on the server desktop and can be browsed. When I checked /mnt folder there was no cdrom folder From gj.kramer at planet.nl Wed Sep 7 21:16:40 2005 From: gj.kramer at planet.nl (Gustav J Kramer) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 23:16:40 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO's In-Reply-To: <431F560A.7020909@stmaurice.mb.ca> References: <431F53F1.9030800@stmaurice.mb.ca> <431F560A.7020909@stmaurice.mb.ca> Message-ID: <1126127800.7929.3.camel@server.kramg> For the end run, try looking in /media/cdrom. FC changed the location of removable media. It seems to me though that, provided your hooked up to the internet, you should just be able to "yum install" the package you want. Hope this helps, - gustav On Wed, 2005-09-07 at 16:05 -0500, Liam Marshall wrote: > Liam Marshall wrote: > > > I downloaded the iso's for 4.4.1 when it was in pre2 or 3 I think. > > > > I installed my server samba everything I need it is working great! I > > have upgraded via yum and with apt-get no problem. I survived the > > first day of school and then went to install piddly stuff that I had > > not bothered to install initially off the cds but it says I need disk > > x(whatever number) of the set for 4.4.0? It appears to have somehow > > downgraded itself, at least in the cd it asks for > > > > I don't understand that. I am willing to download the iso's of 4.4.1 > > again, and burning them, but how to I tell the computer to use them? > > > > Maybe I am confused. I will download the latest and burn them, but > > would appreciate instructions on how to install without losing all I > > have done to date. Basically how to use it to update > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Signed, > > > > I Feel Like A Newbie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > I tried to end run this problem by going to synaptic manager and "adding > a cd" to get to stuff on my distro, but it says something about not > being able to find /mnt/cdrom/ > > which seems weird as when I insert a cd it does show on the server > desktop and can be browsed. When I checked /mnt folder there was no > cdrom folder > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From thepiano at telenet.be Wed Sep 7 21:21:17 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 23:21:17 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO's In-Reply-To: <431F560A.7020909@stmaurice.mb.ca> References: <431F53F1.9030800@stmaurice.mb.ca> <431F560A.7020909@stmaurice.mb.ca> Message-ID: CD rom might be in the media folder? Kevin Op 7-sep-05, om 23:05 heeft Liam Marshall het volgende geschreven: > Liam Marshall wrote: > > >> I downloaded the iso's for 4.4.1 when it was in pre2 or 3 I think. >> >> I installed my server samba everything I need it is working >> great! I have upgraded via yum and with apt-get no problem. I >> survived the first day of school and then went to install piddly >> stuff that I had not bothered to install initially off the cds but >> it says I need disk x(whatever number) of the set for 4.4.0? It >> appears to have somehow downgraded itself, at least in the cd it >> asks for >> >> I don't understand that. I am willing to download the iso's of >> 4.4.1 again, and burning them, but how to I tell the computer to >> use them? >> >> Maybe I am confused. I will download the latest and burn them, >> but would appreciate instructions on how to install without losing >> all I have done to date. Basically how to use it to update >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> Signed, >> >> I Feel Like A Newbie >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> >> > I tried to end run this problem by going to synaptic manager and > "adding > a cd" to get to stuff on my distro, but it says something about not > being able to find /mnt/cdrom/ > > which seems weird as when I insert a cd it does show on the server > desktop and can be browsed. When I checked /mnt folder there was no > cdrom folder > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From les at futuresource.com Wed Sep 7 21:26:07 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:26:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ISO's In-Reply-To: <431F53F1.9030800@stmaurice.mb.ca> References: <431F53F1.9030800@stmaurice.mb.ca> Message-ID: <1126128367.17470.360.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-09-07 at 15:56, Liam Marshall wrote: > I downloaded the iso's for 4.4.1 when it was in pre2 or 3 I think. > > I installed my server samba everything I need it is working great! I > have upgraded via yum and with apt-get no problem. I survived the first > day of school and then went to install piddly stuff that I had not > bothered to install initially off the cds but it says I need disk > x(whatever number) of the set for 4.4.0? It appears to have somehow > downgraded itself, at least in the cd it asks for Can't you just: yum install program_name and pull directly from the repositories? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Wed Sep 7 21:58:35 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:58:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash+LTSP = crashes? gdm_slave_xioerror_handler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1126130315.9462.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> Try this: http://www.thesymbiont.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=144&Itemid=125 -Gadi On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 07:14 -0400, light being wrote: > I have set up a LTSP server in a cybercafe, and the terminals are crashing > occasionally. I found error "gdm_slave_xioerror_handler" in > /var/log/messages > > Any other logs/diagnostics I can turn on or look at??? > > Have read in some places it's caused by Flash, which indeed has been > installed a few days earlier. Everyone's using FireFox. > > apt-get upgrade plus reducing colors to 8-bit on the terminals, seems to > have improved it. > > But it doesnt seem to be totally gone - only less frequent. > > I even tried FireFox alone on the GUI 'safe terminal' "or safe mode" - > crashed the same. > > Certain pages seem to cause the problems. One such animal was this: > > http://www.casines.com - unfortunates one ends up there when mistyping > http://wwwig.com.br - which redirects there. > > Sep 5 18:58:03 ltspserv dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.105 > (192.168.0.254) from 00:50:04:ae:18:19 via eth0 > Sep 5 18:58:03 ltspserv dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.105 to > 00:50:04:ae:18:19 via eth0 > Sep 5 18:58:03 ltspserv rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from > ws105.ltsp:658 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) > Sep 5 18:58:04 ws105.ltsp syslogd started: BusyBox v0.60.4 > (2005.04.19-03:58+0000) > Sep 5 18:58:08 ws105.ltsp init: Entering runlevel: 5 > Sep 5 19:00:44 ltspserv gdm(pam_unix)[8406]: session opened for user term5 > by (uid=0) > Sep 5 19:00:45 ws105.ltsp ltspinfod: Connection from 192.168.0.254 port > 38082 > Sep 5 19:00:45 ltspserv gconfd (term5-8484): iniciando (verso 2.8.1), pid > 8484 usurio 'term5' > Sep 5 19:00:45 ltspserv gconfd (term5-8484): Endereo > "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" resolvido para uma fonte de > configurao com permisses apenas de leitura na posio 0 > Sep 5 19:00:45 ltspserv gconfd (term5-8484): O endereo > "xml:readwrite:/home/term5/.gconf" resolvido para uma fonte de configurao > com permisses de escrita na posio 1 > Sep 5 19:00:45 ltspserv gconfd (term5-8484): Endereo > "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" resolvido para uma fonte de > configurao com permisses apenas de leitura na posio 2 > Sep 5 19:00:48 ltspserv gconfd (term5-8484): O endereo > "xml:readwrite:/home/term5/.gconf" resolvido para uma fonte de configurao > com permisses de escrita na posio 0 > Sep 5 19:01:01 ltspserv crond(pam_unix)[8595]: session opened for user root > by (uid=0) > Sep 5 19:01:01 ltspserv crond(pam_unix)[8595]: session closed for user root > Sep 5 19:17:25 ltspserv gdm[8406]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Erro fatal > no X - Reinicializando ws105.ltsp:0 > Sep 5 19:17:25 ltspserv gdm(pam_unix)[8406]: session closed for user term5 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From robark at gmail.com Wed Sep 7 22:00:14 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 15:00:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash+LTSP = crashes? gdm_slave_xioerror_handler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/6/05, light being wrote: > > I have set up a LTSP server in a cybercafe, and the terminals are crashing > occasionally. I found error "gdm_slave_xioerror_handler" in > /var/log/messages > I also had this happen ocassionally with clients that had low memory. Try using 128M in the client and see if it still happens. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jahnigl at hotmail.com Wed Sep 7 23:31:45 2005 From: jahnigl at hotmail.com (Lance Jahnig) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:31:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DakTech Server Nic Question intel 82541PI In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I had to use the following driver for the second nic. http://www.syskonnect.com/syskonnect/support/driver/d0102_driver.html -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shane Stafford Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 12:14 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] DakTech Server Nic Question intel 82541PI I just got in new DakTech server and I believe the Nic Card is an Intel 82541PI It has two ethernet slots in the back, but only showing one mac addresses in IFconfig command and system settings Network. Is this somekind of single mechanism where I need to activate the other half. Typically I see eth0 and eth1 in network settings, but only eth0 is showing up. Thanks for any assistance. oh yea have K12 LTSP 4.2.1 loaded. I was getting ready to configure eth1 for internet access when I noticed this. Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From william at fragakis.com Thu Sep 8 03:11:52 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 23:11:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Accelerated Reader/Renaissance Place Message-ID: <57b414d36371229903e81810f0682a5d@fragakis.com> You neeed 2K or newer with .net to _host_ it. from the AR RP documentation: Logging in as a Student 1. Start your browser (Internet Explorer, Netscape Navigator, Firefox, or Safari). 2. In your browser window, go to the address provided by your district or school. The Welcome page appears. That Safari is supported is a dead giveaway that AR RP supports non-Windows platforms (being an OS X only browser). " Renaissance Place applications are designed to coexist in mixed network environments, such as those also running Novell Netware, Macintosh? (Appleshare?, Xserve?), Windows NT?, Linux, and others. Users simply connect from any Windows? or Macintosh workstation with a browser by entering a server name or IP address and logging in." http://www.renlearn.com/ProductSystemRequirements.pdf There are some teacher side and minor programs that seem to need Windows but not Ren. Place student clients. We'll see next week anyways. Regards, William > Wait a minute. I need to get this absolutely straight. Are you saying > they told you you don't need Windows clients for the Web-based version > of Accelerated Reader? > > They've always told me the clients HAVE to be Windows 98 or better, and > HAVE to have .Net installed. I'm still upset about being forced to buy > Windows 2003 Server boxes for Renaissance Place - this just adds insult > to injury! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Sep 8 03:22:28 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 23:22:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Accelerated Reader/Renaissance Place In-Reply-To: <57b414d36371229903e81810f0682a5d@fragakis.com> References: <57b414d36371229903e81810f0682a5d@fragakis.com> Message-ID: <431FAE74.7020102@cmosnetworks.com> Since Safari uses the KHTML engine, that would indicate that Konqueror is very likely supported as well. --TP William Fragakis wrote: > You neeed 2K or newer with .net to _host_ it. > > from the AR RP documentation: > > Logging in as a Student > 1. Start your browser (Internet Explorer, Netscape Navigator, Firefox, > or Safari). > 2. In your browser window, go to the address provided by your district > or school. The Welcome page appears. > > > That Safari is supported is a dead giveaway that AR RP supports > non-Windows platforms (being an OS X only browser). > " > Renaissance Place applications are designed to coexist in mixed > network environments, such as those also > running Novell Netware, Macintosh? (Appleshare?, Xserve?), Windows > NT?, Linux, and others. Users simply > connect from any Windows? or Macintosh workstation with a browser by > entering a server name or IP address and > logging in." > > > > http://www.renlearn.com/ProductSystemRequirements.pdf > > There are some teacher side and minor programs that seem to need > Windows but not Ren. Place student clients. > > We'll see next week anyways. > > Regards, > William > > > >> Wait a minute. I need to get this absolutely straight. Are you saying >> they told you you don't need Windows clients for the Web-based version >> of Accelerated Reader? >> >> They've always told me the clients HAVE to be Windows 98 or better, and >> HAVE to have .Net installed. I'm still upset about being forced to buy >> Windows 2003 Server boxes for Renaissance Place - this just adds insult >> to injury! > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From jjjggg at hotmail.com Thu Sep 8 05:29:01 2005 From: jjjggg at hotmail.com (JohnG) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 01:29:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Disk Best Practices Message-ID: For my new K12LTSP server I'm putting together (quad PIII with 2GB RAM), I have 4 available drive bays to install any combination of 9GB, 18GB or 36GB SCSI 10K drives using hardware RAID. What configuration of RAID and partitions should I create for a reasonable compromise between performance and fault-tolerance? I'd like to not waste disk if I don't have to, so would the addition of second server with less power but more disk be helpful? Thanks in advance! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu Sep 8 07:37:28 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:37:28 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] how to run script In-Reply-To: <431EF61D.3020707@stmaurice.mb.ca> References: <431EF61D.3020707@stmaurice.mb.ca> Message-ID: <200509080837.28640.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Wednesday 07 September 2005 15:15, Liam Marshall wrote: > I have a little .sh script that basically does the same thing that a > user has to do the first time they go to use staroffice(ie the setup > script that copies the workstation files into their home dir and changes > ownership ,etc after they answer a few questions.) I have 600 plus > users that need to run this script, SOME of which I teach, some I DO NOT. If you're running kde, one way is to pop a link to your script into $HOME/.kde/Autostart directory. This might be tedious to do if you have lots of users. Another method is to modify /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession; this is what we add to the script (somewhere near the top). # do any hgs initial setup for non system accounts if (( $UID > 499)) ; then /usr/local/bin/hgssetup fi -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Anyone a solution? running k12ltsp-el Kevin From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Sep 8 09:57:53 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 05:57:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Openoffice opens on the wrong computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43200B21.2000602@msln.net> Kevin, Not 100% sure of OO, but sounds like a possible lockfile in OO. Is there a reason that you can not assign usernames per computer? I did that for a different reason, but possiblly for similar problems. I did have 1 log in to the library computers until everyone tried to access the internet at the same time with firefox. It started to ask everybody, after the initial person got in, which profile to use. I'm sure there is probably a better way around my issue, but it was quick and easy for my situation. ( only 12 computers) HTH Mark Kevin Verheyen wrote: >Hello to you all, > >Yet all is working fine at our new install base in school, >but i do have a big problem with ooo. > >All my pupils use classlogins, ie multiple logins per class >(3 computers using ex. klas6b/klas6b as login pas) > >Everytghing works fine, except ooo. >When one thin client opens OOO, no one als can open up ooo. >In fact, they can, but everything is opened at the first terminal who has opened ooo. > >Anyone a solution? >running k12ltsp-el > >Kevin > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From sbetts at msad71.net Thu Sep 8 10:55:52 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 06:55:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: BREAKING NEWS: Microsoft CEO Vows to "KILL" Google Message-ID: I am sure you have all read this. But in case,,,, Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 Welcome back. ----- Original Message ----- Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:01:53 PM Message From: "tech_coordinator at msad71.net" Subject: BREAKING NEWS: Microsoft CEO Vows to "KILL" Google To: Sharon Betts COURT DOCUMENTS: Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer Vowed to "KILL" Google News Published: September 2, 2005, 1:07 PM PDT Reprinted From CNET News.com - Written by Ina Fried ----- ---- --- -- - - Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer vowed to "kill" Google in an expletitive-laced, chair-throwing tirade when a senior engineer told him he was leaving the company to go work for Google, the engineer claimed in court documents made public on Friday. In a sworn statement made public Friday, Mark Lucovsky, another Microsoft senior engineer who left for Google in November 2004, recounted Ballmer's angry reaction when Lucovsky told Ballmer he was going to work for the search engine company. "At some point in the conversation, Mr. Ballmer said: 'Just tell me it's not Google,'"Lucovosky said in his statement. Lucovosky replied that he was joining Google. "At that point, Mr. Ballmer picked up a chair and threw it across the room hitting a table in his office," Lucovosky recounted, adding that Ballmer then launched into a tirade about Google CEO Eric Schmidt. "I'm going to f***ing bury that guy, I have done it before, and I will do it again. I'm going to f***ing kill Google." Schmidt previously worked for Sun Microsystems and was the CEO of Novell. ARTICLE AT: http://news.com.com/Court+docs+Ballmer+vowed+to+kill+Google/2100-1014_3-5846243.html? 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" - Ryan Hamlin - MICROSOFT CHIEF COUNSEL - August 22nd, 2005 ABOVE STATEMENT ARCHIVED & COMMENTED ON AT: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3384447a28,00.html http://it.slashdot.org/it/05/08/22/1717258.shtml?tid=111&tid=109 ----- ---- --- -- - - - [ Public Service Announcement Brought To You By SPAMIS ] - [ Strategic Partnership Against Microsoft Illegal Spam ] [SPAMIS NOTIFICATION]: Fully "READY" to Begin Increasing Public Service Announcement Emails to 20 Times the Amount of Internet Users by 25 Times the Current Sending Rate & Speed When a Certain Activity Transpires. [CURRENTLY IN WAITING FOR THIS ACTIVITY TO TRANSPIRE] From warren at togami.com Thu Sep 8 11:17:13 2005 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 01:17:13 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard Warning from Extras Message-ID: <43201DB9.3060001@togami.com> I apologize for not watching K12LTSP development recently, so I have no idea if this will affect the folks here or not. Just in case here is a head's up. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=165689 squidGuard has just been approved in Fedora Extras, which means it will very soon go into the repository. This is good to centrally maintain packages in one place. However it is very possible that this squidGuard differs from the squidGuard package used for years at K12LTSP in such a way that existing servers in a yum upgrade will be broken. http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/devel/squidGuard/?root=extras squidGuard source RPM contents http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/extras.shtml Anonymous checkout instructions After logging in use "cvs co squidGuard" then "make srpm" to pull the Extras .src.rpm Please verify that the K12LTSP squidGuard will not break during upgrade from the K12LTSP package to this Extras package. I suspect that the automatic nightly blacklist update scripts and the blacklists themselves may be different. I would do it myself, except I am trying to encourage certain folks here to become more active in the Extras project where we together do a better job of centrally maintaining packages. Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu Sep 8 11:26:11 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:26:11 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: BREAKING NEWS: Microsoft CEO Vows to "KILL" Google In-Reply-To: Message-ID: (whole message cut for sake of sanity) whoa! Grievances against google's size aside ... You're spreading viruses by putting this around. Besides the inflammatory subject of the email that casts the whole thing in the realm of "fantasy" if you look carefully you'll see that one of the links is to a page that will unwittingly download an executable file for Windoze systems. This is viral spreading by an even more insidious and cunning method than I've seen before. Stop it now and forward it to no one. Gavin From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Sep 8 11:55:55 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 06:55:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Openoffice opens on the wrong computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03527637-87ED-432E-81F9-EDF5FFA14B64@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The best solution to this seems to be individual logins, either per user or per computer. On Sep 8, 2005, at 3:27 AM, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Hello to you all, > > Yet all is working fine at our new install base in school, > but i do have a big problem with ooo. > > All my pupils use classlogins, ie multiple logins per class > (3 computers using ex. klas6b/klas6b as login pas) > > Everytghing works fine, except ooo. > When one thin client opens OOO, no one als can open up ooo. > In fact, they can, but everything is opened at the first terminal > who has opened ooo. > > Anyone a solution? > running k12ltsp-el > > Kevin > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkMgJssACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTNKACdFuULE/nsFFOmusm2Fwdy5OEd O1YAnjo+lzlj3IkpMy/HMg2NsS5CCmCT =bzJu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ramonklown at pop.com.br Thu Sep 8 12:05:10 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:05:10 -0300 (BRT) Subject: [K12OSN] block shutdown on clients In-Reply-To: <431F4FCF.1000208@remc1.org> References: <20050907202415.88480.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com> <431F4FCF.1000208@remc1.org> Message-ID: <10115.200.222.204.46.1126181110.squirrel@popmail7.pop.com.br> I would like to know how I can block shutdown under the clients (terminals) machines: x window and shell. Thanks, Ramon From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Sep 8 12:20:28 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:20:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] adduser, adding a name? Message-ID: <3141933F-A860-41F9-87A6-2AAB5ED65292@inlandlakes.org> Due to problems with webmin that I don't have time to troubleshoot (or even discuss), I am making a simple bash/expect script to add users in bulk. I can't seem to figure out, however, how to add a users name via commandline. Is there a way to add "Shawn Powers" to a newly created account using "adduser" or "usermod" ? I can't seem to find a way reading the man pages. Thanks for any insight, -Shawn ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From scott at remc1.org Thu Sep 8 12:24:17 2005 From: scott at remc1.org (Scott Sherrill) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 08:24:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] adduser, adding a name? In-Reply-To: <3141933F-A860-41F9-87A6-2AAB5ED65292@inlandlakes.org> References: <3141933F-A860-41F9-87A6-2AAB5ED65292@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <43202D71.3060801@remc1.org> Shawn Powers wrote: > Due to problems with webmin that I don't have time to troubleshoot > (or even discuss), I am making a simple bash/expect script to add > users in bulk. I can't seem to figure out, however, how to add a > users name via commandline. Is there a way to add "Shawn Powers" to > a newly created account using "adduser" or "usermod" ? I can't seem > to find a way reading the man pages. Shawn - try: chfn -f "Shawn Powers" loginid Scott From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Sep 8 12:34:08 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:34:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] adduser, adding a name? In-Reply-To: <43202D71.3060801@remc1.org> References: <3141933F-A860-41F9-87A6-2AAB5ED65292@inlandlakes.org> <43202D71.3060801@remc1.org> Message-ID: <3BF4BF76-38E8-4398-9BD7-313B5B982430@inlandlakes.org> On Sep 8, 2005, at 8:24 AM, Scott Sherrill wrote: > > try: > > chfn -f "Shawn Powers" loginid Would you QUIT solving all my problems, Scott?!?! I'm going to owe you my forth born. (Firstborn through thirdborn are spoken for...) Seriously though, THANK YOU AGAIN. (For those that don't know, Scott has pretty much answered every command line and scripting question I've ever thrown at him...) -Shawn From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Sep 8 12:37:13 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Webport) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 13:37:13 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] adduser, adding a name? In-Reply-To: <43202D71.3060801@remc1.org> References: <3141933F-A860-41F9-87A6-2AAB5ED65292@inlandlakes.org> <43202D71.3060801@remc1.org> Message-ID: <43203079.4080002@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Couldn't you use the smbldap-bulkuseradd script that comes with the smbldap-installer ?? Brian Scott Sherrill wrote: > Shawn Powers wrote: > >> Due to problems with webmin that I don't have time to troubleshoot >> (or even discuss), I am making a simple bash/expect script to add >> users in bulk. I can't seem to figure out, however, how to add a >> users name via commandline. Is there a way to add "Shawn Powers" to >> a newly created account using "adduser" or "usermod" ? I can't seem >> to find a way reading the man pages. > > > > Shawn - > > try: > > chfn -f "Shawn Powers" loginid > > > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Sep 8 12:38:09 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 07:38:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] adduser, adding a name? In-Reply-To: <3141933F-A860-41F9-87A6-2AAB5ED65292@inlandlakes.org> References: <3141933F-A860-41F9-87A6-2AAB5ED65292@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: You too, huh? The webmin thing doesn't work right for me, either and I need the same information. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 8 Sep 2005, Shawn Powers wrote: > Due to problems with webmin that I don't have time to troubleshoot > (or even discuss), I am making a simple bash/expect script to add > users in bulk. I can't seem to figure out, however, how to add a > users name via commandline. Is there a way to add "Shawn Powers" to > a newly created account using "adduser" or "usermod" ? I can't seem > to find a way reading the man pages. > > Thanks for any insight, > -Shawn > > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, > forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, > implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream > preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of > Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or > imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and > ignored completely. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Sep 8 12:39:31 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 07:39:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] adduser, adding a name? In-Reply-To: <43203079.4080002@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <3141933F-A860-41F9-87A6-2AAB5ED65292@inlandlakes.org> <43202D71.3060801@remc1.org> <43203079.4080002@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: Suppose you could. .. if you were running ldap. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 8 Sep 2005, Brian Webport wrote: > Couldn't you use the smbldap-bulkuseradd script that comes with the > smbldap-installer ?? > > Brian > > > Scott Sherrill wrote: > > > Shawn Powers wrote: > > > >> Due to problems with webmin that I don't have time to troubleshoot > >> (or even discuss), I am making a simple bash/expect script to add > >> users in bulk. I can't seem to figure out, however, how to add a > >> users name via commandline. Is there a way to add "Shawn Powers" to > >> a newly created account using "adduser" or "usermod" ? I can't seem > >> to find a way reading the man pages. > > > > > > > > Shawn - > > > > try: > > > > chfn -f "Shawn Powers" loginid > > > > > > Scott > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Sep 8 12:40:44 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Webport) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 13:40:44 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] adduser, adding a name? In-Reply-To: References: <3141933F-A860-41F9-87A6-2AAB5ED65292@inlandlakes.org> <43202D71.3060801@remc1.org> <43203079.4080002@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4320314C.8000202@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Sorry I assumed you were :-/ Brian Doug Simpson wrote: >Suppose you could. .. if you were running ldap. . . > >Doug Simpson >Technology Specialist >DeQueen Public Schools >DeQueen, AR 71832 >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >Tux for President! > >On Thu, 8 Sep 2005, Brian Webport wrote: > > > >>Couldn't you use the smbldap-bulkuseradd script that comes with the >>smbldap-installer ?? >> >>Brian >> >> >>Scott Sherrill wrote: >> >> >> >>>Shawn Powers wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Due to problems with webmin that I don't have time to troubleshoot >>>>(or even discuss), I am making a simple bash/expect script to add >>>>users in bulk. I can't seem to figure out, however, how to add a >>>>users name via commandline. Is there a way to add "Shawn Powers" to >>>>a newly created account using "adduser" or "usermod" ? I can't seem >>>>to find a way reading the man pages. >>>> >>>> >>> >>>Shawn - >>> >>>try: >>> >>>chfn -f "Shawn Powers" loginid >>> >>> >>>Scott >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From tom.allen at winthrop.k12.me.us Thu Sep 8 12:51:06 2005 From: tom.allen at winthrop.k12.me.us (Tom Allen) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 08:51:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DakTech Server Nic Question intel 82541PI In-Reply-To: References: <200509051932.j85JWVo21825@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1126183866.2318.2.camel@rebel.winthrop.k12.me.us> I also have just received a new DakTech server with the two integrated NIC's. Eth0 is fine, but cannot activate eth1. I checked the BIOS and both nic's are active. I am also running K12LTSP 4.2.1. Tom On Mon, 2005-09-05 at 13:45 -0400, Shane Stafford wrote: > I will give those commands a try. Right now, upon reboot, it hits the > configure and find new hardware screen. > I select DHCP and click ok, and it jumps back to a startup screen, says > enabling Swap -- ok, and the command prompt is flashing on the next line > and doing nothing. Some days it just doesn't pay....... > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > S & B Consulting > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Sep 8 13:07:45 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:07:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] More scripting help... Message-ID: <41B889EC-2E1F-4FAF-AB4B-33FC1E6A8566@inlandlakes.org> Ok, I'm sorry to use this list as my personal scripting helpline -- but it's the third day of school, and I'm in a real bind... (DNS pun not intended) Here's my script for changing passwords: #!/usr/bin/expect # script name mypasswd set username [lindex $argv 0] set password [lindex $argv 1] set name [lindex $argv 2] spawn passwd $username expect "password:" send "$password\r" expect "password:" send "$password\r" spawn chfn -f "$name" $username expect eof it works, as long as I put the "name" in quotes (due to the issue of spaces) In my bulk script, however, I can't seem to get the variable assigned correctly. I don't know how to make it assign the whole name (both first and last) with the space. Here's my bulk script: #!/bin/bash # script name mybulkpasswd for lines in `cat $1` do username=`echo $lines | awk -F: '{print $1}'`; password=`echo $lines | awk -F: '{print $2}'`; name="`echo $lines | awk -F: '{print $3}'`"; mypasswd $username $password "$name"; done Here's an example bulk file: testuser:testpass:Test User test1:test1:Test Account 1 Any more insight? Thanks, and I am sorry for all my questions, -Shawn From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Sep 8 13:06:24 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:06:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] push icon script Message-ID: <43203750.3040204@msln.net> The cow is out of the barn. I have 700 some odd users already entered in the ldap server and need to either change the home page of everyone... some how or push a link. Is it possible to run the push-icon script from a k12ltspEL terminal install on a k12ltspEL smb-ldap server setup? The librarian is upset because the home page for everyone is google and not the library. . Any thoughts or different way to do it is appreciated. Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Sep 8 13:17:08 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:17:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] More scripting help... In-Reply-To: <41B889EC-2E1F-4FAF-AB4B-33FC1E6A8566@inlandlakes.org> References: <41B889EC-2E1F-4FAF-AB4B-33FC1E6A8566@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <094CCD0F-599F-4ABA-9491-D65838A01EDB@inlandlakes.org> On Sep 8, 2005, at 9:07 AM, Shawn Powers wrote: > for lines in `cat $1` Ok, here's my problem, but I don't know how to get it right. If I do the above, the space in the Name field gets split into 2 lines, so apparently a "for" loop doesn't consider it a whole line using it this way. Grrr.... I could awk/sed the spaces into underscores, and then do the opposite to get the spaces back -- but there MUST be an easier way. This might be fun if I wasn't so under the gun... From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Sep 8 13:19:25 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Webport) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:19:25 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] More scripting help... In-Reply-To: <41B889EC-2E1F-4FAF-AB4B-33FC1E6A8566@inlandlakes.org> References: <41B889EC-2E1F-4FAF-AB4B-33FC1E6A8566@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <43203A5D.2010906@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Shawn Powers wrote: > Ok, I'm sorry to use this list as my personal scripting helpline -- > but it's the third day of school, and I'm in a real bind... (DNS pun > not intended) > > Here's my script for changing passwords: > #!/usr/bin/expect > # script name mypasswd > set username [lindex $argv 0] > set password [lindex $argv 1] > set name [lindex $argv 2] > spawn passwd $username > expect "password:" > send "$password\r" > expect "password:" > send "$password\r" > spawn chfn -f "$name" $username > expect eof > > it works, as long as I put the "name" in quotes (due to the issue of > spaces) > > In my bulk script, however, I can't seem to get the variable assigned > correctly. I don't know how to make it assign the whole name (both > first and last) with the space. Here's my bulk script: > > #!/bin/bash > # script name mybulkpasswd > for lines in `cat $1` > do > username=`echo $lines | awk -F: '{print $1}'`; > password=`echo $lines | awk -F: '{print $2}'`; > name="`echo $lines | awk -F: '{print $3}'`"; > mypasswd $username $password "$name"; > done > > Here's an example bulk file: > > testuser:testpass:Test User > test1:test1:Test Account 1 > > > Any more insight? > Thanks, and I am sorry for all my questions, > -Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Try webmin, this has a bulk import facilty Brian From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Sep 8 13:27:07 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:27:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] More scripting help... In-Reply-To: <43203A5D.2010906@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <41B889EC-2E1F-4FAF-AB4B-33FC1E6A8566@inlandlakes.org> <43203A5D.2010906@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <31AF9A0A-1304-46F9-A0DD-90529E30E9E0@inlandlakes.org> On Sep 8, 2005, at 9:19 AM, Brian Webport wrote: > > Try webmin, this has a bulk import facilty > I'd love to, but I get perl errors, and don't have time to troubleshoot. (I spent half a day trying) Thanks though, -Shawn From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Sep 8 13:26:01 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Webport) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:26:01 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] More scripting help... In-Reply-To: <31AF9A0A-1304-46F9-A0DD-90529E30E9E0@inlandlakes.org> References: <41B889EC-2E1F-4FAF-AB4B-33FC1E6A8566@inlandlakes.org> <43203A5D.2010906@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <31AF9A0A-1304-46F9-A0DD-90529E30E9E0@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <43203BE9.4090901@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Shawn Powers wrote: > On Sep 8, 2005, at 9:19 AM, Brian Webport wrote: > >> >> Try webmin, this has a bulk import facilty >> > > I'd love to, but I get perl errors, and don't have time to > troubleshoot. (I spent half a day trying) > > Thanks though, > -Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Sorry, replied before I thought. It's one of those days !!!! Brian From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu Sep 8 13:26:31 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:26:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] block shutdown on clients In-Reply-To: <10115.200.222.204.46.1126181110.squirrel@popmail7.pop.com.br> References: <20050907202415.88480.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com> <431F4FCF.1000208@remc1.org> <10115.200.222.204.46.1126181110.squirrel@popmail7.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <43203C07.2000105@stmarys-school.org> Ramon wrote: > I would like to know how I can block shutdown under the clients (terminals) > machines: x window and shell. > > Thanks, > Ramon > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Ramon, Take a look at the following: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/sysadmin-guide/ch-console-access.html#S1-ACCESS-CONSOLE-CTRLALTDEL John From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Sep 8 13:36:39 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:36:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] More scripting help... In-Reply-To: <43203BE9.4090901@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <41B889EC-2E1F-4FAF-AB4B-33FC1E6A8566@inlandlakes.org> <43203A5D.2010906@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <31AF9A0A-1304-46F9-A0DD-90529E30E9E0@inlandlakes.org> <43203BE9.4090901@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3C124DF9-0188-4DAC-8C32-411B27997755@inlandlakes.org> Well, I went ahead and used awk to change spaces into underscores, so I think all is well. I'm like the king of kludgy scripts... Thanks for being there y'all, -Shawn On Sep 8, 2005, at 9:26 AM, Brian Webport wrote: > Shawn Powers wrote: > > >> On Sep 8, 2005, at 9:19 AM, Brian Webport wrote: >> >> >>> >>> Try webmin, this has a bulk import facilty >>> >>> >> >> I'd love to, but I get perl errors, and don't have time to >> troubleshoot. (I spent half a day trying) >> >> Thanks though, >> -Shawn >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > Sorry, replied before I thought. It's one of those days !!!! > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From rstewart at iccpartners.com Thu Sep 8 13:42:04 2005 From: rstewart at iccpartners.com (Rondall Stewart) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:42:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP across the Wan Message-ID: Has anyone been able to get k12ltsp working from across a WAN? A school district with limited funds has approached me with this request. They have point to point T1 between 3 locations and the want to give modern functionality to some of their legacy machines. Rondall Stewart Technical Team Leader ICC Technology Partners (606)886-8447 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Sep 8 13:39:19 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 07:39:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using thin client as a jetdirect device] Message-ID: <1f0654c1f047e9.1f047e91f0654c@texas.rr.com> I tried the telnet you suggested this morning and got the following: telnet: connect to 192.168.0.1: connection refused telnet:Unable to connect to remote host: connection refused As you suggested I checked the BIOS in the terminal and tried telnet in all three of its settings. The connecetion was refused each time. Is there something I need to do to some file or setting to solve this issue and if so what do I need to do? Thanks Pat -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Using thin client as a jetdirect device Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:42:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim McQuillan Reply-To: Support list for opensource software in schools. To: Support list for opensource software in schools. References: <1f989e71f98bff.1f98bff1f989e7 at texas.rr.com> Pat, First thing, before doing anything in the print spooler setup, is try to telnet to the printer. That is: telnet ws001 9100 See if you can connect. If the connection is accepted, you should be able to type things on the keyboard ,and they should print on the printer. Press Ctrl-L to eject a page. If that works, then you've got a CUPS issue on the server. If the connection isn't accepted, then you have a problem on the workstation. Maybe the parallel module isn't being loaded or something. Which kernel are you booting on the client? I've heard of problems with printing and the LTSP 2.6.9 kernel. You should be using 2.4.26-ltsp-3. And, why are you running 'updatedb' ? Isn't that for the 'locate' command? One more thing you can try, is checking the bios settings for the printer port. I've seen issues with EPP settings. I don't remember the best setting, but I remember it needing to be changed. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > I am using FC4.4 > > I still can't get this critter to work. Here is what I have done and such. > > 1. I edited the lts.conf file as follows; > [00:48:54:67:3a:64] > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = P > > 2. I edited the dhcpd.conf file as follows; > host ws001 { > hardware ethernet 00:48:54:67:3a:64; > fixed-address 192.168.0.1 > > 3. I opened dhcpd.leases and removed all enteries associated with that > MAC address. > 4. I ran updatedb > 5. I ran dhcpd restart > 6. I turned on the printer and started the terminal from power off. > 7. I opened the Nautalis and went to localhosts631/printers > 8. I added an HP Laserjet 4 plus. > 9. I tried to print a test page and nothing happens not even any error > messages. > > I'm getting somewhat frustrated with this so any suggestions would be > greatly appreciated. > Thanks > Pat From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Sep 8 13:41:14 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Webport) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:41:14 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] More scripting help... In-Reply-To: <3C124DF9-0188-4DAC-8C32-411B27997755@inlandlakes.org> References: <41B889EC-2E1F-4FAF-AB4B-33FC1E6A8566@inlandlakes.org> <43203A5D.2010906@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <31AF9A0A-1304-46F9-A0DD-90529E30E9E0@inlandlakes.org> <43203BE9.4090901@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <3C124DF9-0188-4DAC-8C32-411B27997755@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <43203F7A.4050701@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Spaces are a bad thing, I got caught a little while back when I used a period (.) as a seperator, only problem was I couldn't change it as the system was already running and staff were using them so had to work round it. Fedora Core is a lot more tolerent of things like .'s but back when we were using RH6.2 was a problem. Brian Shawn Powers wrote: > Well, I went ahead and used awk to change spaces into underscores, so > I think all is well. > > I'm like the king of kludgy scripts... > > Thanks for being there y'all, > -Shawn > > > On Sep 8, 2005, at 9:26 AM, Brian Webport wrote: > >> Shawn Powers wrote: >> >> >>> On Sep 8, 2005, at 9:19 AM, Brian Webport wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Try webmin, this has a bulk import facilty >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I'd love to, but I get perl errors, and don't have time to >>> troubleshoot. (I spent half a day trying) >>> >>> Thanks though, >>> -Shawn >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> Sorry, replied before I thought. It's one of those days !!!! >> >> Brian >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jam at mcquil.com Thu Sep 8 13:49:22 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Using thin client as a jetdirect device] In-Reply-To: <1f0654c1f047e9.1f047e91f0654c@texas.rr.com> References: <1f0654c1f047e9.1f047e91f0654c@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: John, Set this in lts.conf: SCREEN_01 = shell Then boot the client, and watch for errors. Maybe it's having a problem loading a kernel module or something. Once you get to a bash prompt, then look for lp_server to be running: ps -elf See if you see lp_server. If not, then you need to figure out why it's not getting started. Try this: getltscfg PRINTER_0_DEVICE see if you get some output also do the same for PRINTER_0_TYPE And, what version of LTSP are you using? There was a bug with printing back in LTSP-4.0 and previous. It had to do with looking for PRINTER_1_TYPE, rather than _0_ Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > I tried the telnet you suggested this morning and got the following: > > telnet: connect to 192.168.0.1: connection refused > telnet:Unable to connect to remote host: connection refused > > As you suggested I checked the BIOS in the terminal and tried telnet > in all three of its settings. The connecetion was refused each time. > > Is there something I need to do to some file or setting to solve this > issue and if so what do I need to do? > Thanks > Pat > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Using thin client as a jetdirect device > Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:42:14 -0400 (EDT) > From: Jim McQuillan > Reply-To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > References: <1f989e71f98bff.1f98bff1f989e7 at texas.rr.com> > > > Pat, > > First thing, before doing anything in the print spooler setup, is try to > telnet to the printer. > > That is: > > telnet ws001 9100 > > See if you can connect. If the connection is accepted, you should be > able to type things on the keyboard ,and they should print on the > printer. Press Ctrl-L to eject a page. > > If that works, then you've got a CUPS issue on the server. > > If the connection isn't accepted, then you have a problem on the > workstation. Maybe the parallel module isn't being loaded or something. > > Which kernel are you booting on the client? I've heard of problems with > printing and the LTSP 2.6.9 kernel. You should be using 2.4.26-ltsp-3. > > And, why are you running 'updatedb' ? > Isn't that for the 'locate' command? > > One more thing you can try, is checking the bios settings for the > printer port. I've seen issues with EPP settings. I don't remember the > best setting, but I remember it needing to be changed. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > I am using FC4.4 > > > > I still can't get this critter to work. Here is what I have done and > such. > > > > 1. I edited the lts.conf file as follows; > > [00:48:54:67:3a:64] > > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 > > PRINTER_0_TYPE = P > > > > 2. I edited the dhcpd.conf file as follows; > > host ws001 { > > hardware ethernet 00:48:54:67:3a:64; > > fixed-address 192.168.0.1 > > > > 3. I opened dhcpd.leases and removed all enteries associated with that > > MAC address. > > 4. I ran updatedb > > 5. I ran dhcpd restart > > 6. I turned on the printer and started the terminal from power off. > > 7. I opened the Nautalis and went to localhosts631/printers > > 8. I added an HP Laserjet 4 plus. > > 9. I tried to print a test page and nothing happens not even any error > > messages. > > > > I'm getting somewhat frustrated with this so any suggestions would be > > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Thu Sep 8 14:03:58 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:03:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] More scripting help... In-Reply-To: <094CCD0F-599F-4ABA-9491-D65838A01EDB@inlandlakes.org> References: <41B889EC-2E1F-4FAF-AB4B-33FC1E6A8566@inlandlakes.org> <094CCD0F-599F-4ABA-9491-D65838A01EDB@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <432044CE.40302@maltzen.net> You already solved your problem, but for the record (and anyone searching the archives in the future), would something like this work without requiring you to change the spaces to underscors and back: cat $1 |while read LINE do username=`echo $LINE | cut -f1 -d:` password=`echo $LINE | cut -f2 -d:` name=`echo $LINE | cut -f3 -d:` mypasswd $username $password "$name" done Petre Shawn Powers wrote: > > On Sep 8, 2005, at 9:07 AM, Shawn Powers wrote: > >> for lines in `cat $1` > > > Ok, here's my problem, but I don't know how to get it right. If I do > the above, the space in the Name field gets split into 2 lines, so > apparently a "for" loop doesn't consider it a whole line using it this > way. Grrr.... > > I could awk/sed the spaces into underscores, and then do the opposite > to get the spaces back -- but there MUST be an easier way. > > This might be fun if I wasn't so under the gun... > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Thu Sep 8 14:11:02 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:11:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP across the Wan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43204676.8030903@maltzen.net> While the NX protocol from No Machine seems likely to make this feasible, allowing for X over slow links, I don't think anyone on this list has widely used it. The consensus so far seems to be you'll have better luck with running the server locally. Not to say you couldn't try using NX, but you'll be blazing some new territory. OTOH, if you pull it off, I'm sure many on the list would like to know the details. Petre Rondall Stewart wrote: > Has anyone been able to get k12ltsp working from across a WAN? A school district with limited funds has approached me with this request. They have point to point T1 between 3 locations and the want to give modern functionality to some of their legacy machines. > > > Rondall Stewart > Technical Team Leader > ICC Technology Partners > (606)886-8447 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bkovach at logrog.net Thu Sep 8 14:35:08 2005 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:35:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] remote home directories Message-ID: <33530.216.229.68.126.1126190108.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> I lost my page about how to get home directories from one K12 server remote mounted to the other server. Can anyone provide me the page? BK -- Life is a race. Don't lose. From k12osn at siriusit.co.uk Thu Sep 8 14:41:41 2005 From: k12osn at siriusit.co.uk (Duncan Gibb) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:41:41 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP network sound for KDE Message-ID: <200509081541.41393.k12osn@siriusit.co.uk> Hello, I noticed http://www.k12ltsp.org/faq.html#debug-sound says it's not yet known how to make network sound work with KDE. We recently deployed K12LTSP 4.4.0 with Kiosk. My method for getting sound in KDE was to follow the recipe at http://www.bravegnuworld.com/~rjune/ltsp/audio/HOWTO-nas.html - build server-side NAS from source (1.7) - rebuild artsd to include NAS support - configure LTSP to use NAS - configure artsd to use NAS This seems to work OK, except that /usr/share/config/kcmartsrc gets ignored, so artsd has to be made to use NAS for each user profile. Oh, and artsd crashes if you log in from a VNC session. Has anyone else tried this? Would it be worth writing up properly for the Wiki? Have I missed some potential pitfalls? Thanks Duncan -- Duncan Gibb, Technical Architect Sirius Corporation - The Open Source Experts http://www.siriusit.co.uk/ Tel: +44(0)870 608 0063 From petre at maltzen.net Thu Sep 8 14:43:55 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:43:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] remote home directories In-Reply-To: <33530.216.229.68.126.1126190108.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <33530.216.229.68.126.1126190108.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <43204E2B.1090208@maltzen.net> Not sure what page you're referring to, but if you just export the /home directory on one server: exportfs -o rw :/home and then on the other machine mount that export: mount machine1:/home /home you should be good to go, assuming the user's UIDs are the same on both machines. Petre Brandon Kovach wrote: > I lost my page about how to get home directories from one K12 server > remote mounted to the other server. Can anyone provide me the page? > > BK > > From bkovach at logrog.net Thu Sep 8 14:50:05 2005 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:50:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] remote home directories In-Reply-To: <43204E2B.1090208@maltzen.net> References: <33530.216.229.68.126.1126190108.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43204E2B.1090208@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <39250.216.229.68.126.1126191005.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> That's exactly it. However, I don't have any users on the second machine. I know I need to sync the users, but I don't know how to do that ... yet. > Not sure what page you're referring to, but if you just export the /home > directory on > one server: > > exportfs -o rw :/home > > and then on the other machine mount that export: > > mount machine1:/home /home > > you should be good to go, assuming the user's UIDs are the same on both > machines. > > Petre > > Brandon Kovach wrote: >> I lost my page about how to get home directories from one K12 server >> remote mounted to the other server. Can anyone provide me the page? >> >> BK >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Life is a race. Don't lose. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Sep 8 14:49:16 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Webport) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:49:16 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] remote home directories In-Reply-To: <39250.216.229.68.126.1126191005.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <33530.216.229.68.126.1126190108.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43204E2B.1090208@maltzen.net> <39250.216.229.68.126.1126191005.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <43204F6C.8070000@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Are you running LDAP on your main server ?? Brian Brandon Kovach wrote: >That's exactly it. However, I don't have any users on the second machine. > I know I need to sync the users, but I don't know how to do that ... yet. > > > > >>Not sure what page you're referring to, but if you just export the /home >>directory on >>one server: >> >>exportfs -o rw :/home >> >>and then on the other machine mount that export: >> >>mount machine1:/home /home >> >>you should be good to go, assuming the user's UIDs are the same on both >>machines. >> >>Petre >> >>Brandon Kovach wrote: >> >> >>>I lost my page about how to get home directories from one K12 server >>>remote mounted to the other server. Can anyone provide me the page? >>> >>>BK >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > > From petre at maltzen.net Thu Sep 8 15:05:56 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 10:05:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] remote home directories In-Reply-To: <39250.216.229.68.126.1126191005.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <33530.216.229.68.126.1126190108.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43204E2B.1090208@maltzen.net> <39250.216.229.68.126.1126191005.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <43205354.1040109@maltzen.net> There are four ways to handle syncing the user IDs: 1. Create the IDs by hand on machine2, making sure the UIDs and GIDs are the same as those on machine1. This is potentially a lot of work, but if you have only a few users, is manageable. This could be scripted using data from machine1. 2. Copy the /etc/passwd, /etc/group, and /etc/shadow files from machine1 to machine2. This can be manageable, especially if you don't have any IDs, user or group, setup yet on machine2. This method could invite trouble if the roles of the two machines diverge. 3. Use NIS (aka Yellow Pages) to have the info from machine1 exported to machine2. This isn't too hard, but conceptually it's different than methods 1 & 2, but is similar in concept to NFS exporting and mounting. However, NIS popularity seems to be declining in favor of... 4. Use LDAP, which, like NIS, exports the user and group info from one machine to another. David Trask and others on this list have done a ton of work to make this Really Easy To Setup, such that it seems any more it just involves running a few scripts. But I think it presumes there aren't any pre-existing IDs and groups, which you do have, so getting LDAP going may require some backtracking, which may or may not fit your timeframe. Petre Brandon Kovach wrote: > That's exactly it. However, I don't have any users on the second machine. > I know I need to sync the users, but I don't know how to do that ... yet. > > > >>Not sure what page you're referring to, but if you just export the /home >>directory on >>one server: >> >>exportfs -o rw :/home >> >>and then on the other machine mount that export: >> >>mount machine1:/home /home >> >>you should be good to go, assuming the user's UIDs are the same on both >>machines. >> >>Petre >> >>Brandon Kovach wrote: >> >>>I lost my page about how to get home directories from one K12 server >>>remote mounted to the other server. Can anyone provide me the page? >>> >>>BK >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > From a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us Thu Sep 8 15:11:01 2005 From: a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us (Alexander Hicks) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 11:11:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Monitor Problem In-Reply-To: <20050509102252.17257.qmail@web41604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm pretty sure that this will solve the problem I'm facing with about 20 monitors, if I could only find the lts.conf file to edit. Could somebody please point me in the right direction. . . I know it sounds silly. As a side note, Shaker Road School is proud to announce the deployment of their first K12LTSP server. After reading the list for about a year, and goofing around with a couple of test servers - we've started to make the jump and everybody loves it! We have about 40 terminals connected to our new server with K12ltsp build 4.2.1. The terminals are a wide variety of PC's, almost all booting with a universal boot disk. Thanks for everyone's help! ~Alex ___________________________________ Alexander Hicks Technology Coordinator Shaker Road School Concord, New Hampshire -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Rob Owens Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 6:23 AM To: Genfil Villahermosa; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Monitor Problem You need to edit lts.conf with a line such as one of the following: X_MODE_0 = 800x600 35.25 800 824 872 944 600 600 601 622 X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 60.80 1024 1056 1128 1272 768 768 770 796 I'm pretty sure one of these worked for me when I was using an old, old monitor. Also, I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think you can put both lines in lts.conf, but call one "X_MODE_0" and the other "X_MODE_1". Then you can ctrl-alt-"plus" and ctrl-alt-"minus" to switch between them. Good luck. -Rob --- Genfil Villahermosa wrote: > I have problem with the monitors here that run on > thin client. Most of > the monitors I have here are old or recondition. > Most of them can't > handle 1024x758, 75 hz. It black out when when x > runs. When change the > default the resolution, it any applys the change > when the user login > in. But the user can not login because the monitor > goes blank. Does > anyone know how to change the default resolution > when Xlogin runs? > Thank you! > -- > please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Thu Sep 8 15:12:23 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:12:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP network sound for KDE In-Reply-To: <200509081541.41393.k12osn@siriusit.co.uk> References: <200509081541.41393.k12osn@siriusit.co.uk> Message-ID: <432054D7.7060301@saskforestcentre.ca> Have a look at http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/WorkstationSound and link into that for the wiki entry. That page describes getting worstation sound, and includes using artsd through esd. When I set that up the first time, I didn't do any recompiling on a K12LTSP setup. Good luck, and please describe any ill behaviour the system demonstrates. Angus Carr. Duncan Gibb wrote: >Hello, > >I noticed http://www.k12ltsp.org/faq.html#debug-sound says it's not yet known >how to make network sound work with KDE. We recently deployed K12LTSP 4.4.0 >with Kiosk. My method for getting sound in KDE was to follow the recipe at >http://www.bravegnuworld.com/~rjune/ltsp/audio/HOWTO-nas.html > > - build server-side NAS from source (1.7) > - rebuild artsd to include NAS support > - configure LTSP to use NAS > - configure artsd to use NAS > >This seems to work OK, except that /usr/share/config/kcmartsrc gets ignored, >so artsd has to be made to use NAS for each user profile. Oh, and artsd >crashes if you log in from a VNC session. > >Has anyone else tried this? Would it be worth writing up properly for the >Wiki? Have I missed some potential pitfalls? > >Thanks > > >Duncan > > > From bkovach at logrog.net Thu Sep 8 15:22:19 2005 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 10:22:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] remote home directories In-Reply-To: <43204F6C.8070000@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <33530.216.229.68.126.1126190108.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43204E2B.1090208@maltzen.net> <39250.216.229.68.126.1126191005.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43204F6C.8070000@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <48044.216.229.68.126.1126192939.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> No. > Are you running LDAP on your main server ?? > > Brian > > Brandon Kovach wrote: > >>That's exactly it. However, I don't have any users on the second >> machine. >> I know I need to sync the users, but I don't know how to do that ... >> yet. >> >> >> >> >>>Not sure what page you're referring to, but if you just export the /home >>>directory on >>>one server: >>> >>>exportfs -o rw :/home >>> >>>and then on the other machine mount that export: >>> >>>mount machine1:/home /home >>> >>>you should be good to go, assuming the user's UIDs are the same on both >>>machines. >>> >>>Petre >>> >>>Brandon Kovach wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I lost my page about how to get home directories from one K12 server >>>>remote mounted to the other server. Can anyone provide me the page? >>>> >>>>BK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Life is a race. Don't lose. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Sep 8 15:21:39 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Webport) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:21:39 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] remote home directories In-Reply-To: <48044.216.229.68.126.1126192939.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <33530.216.229.68.126.1126190108.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43204E2B.1090208@maltzen.net> <39250.216.229.68.126.1126191005.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43204F6C.8070000@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <48044.216.229.68.126.1126192939.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <43205703.1030109@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> That's a shame makes this sort of thing easy, what about using NIS quite simply to setup. Brian Brandon Kovach wrote: >No. > > > >>Are you running LDAP on your main server ?? >> >>Brian >> >>Brandon Kovach wrote: >> >> >> >>>That's exactly it. However, I don't have any users on the second >>>machine. >>>I know I need to sync the users, but I don't know how to do that ... >>>yet. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Not sure what page you're referring to, but if you just export the /home >>>>directory on >>>>one server: >>>> >>>>exportfs -o rw :/home >>>> >>>>and then on the other machine mount that export: >>>> >>>>mount machine1:/home /home >>>> >>>>you should be good to go, assuming the user's UIDs are the same on both >>>>machines. >>>> >>>>Petre >>>> >>>>Brandon Kovach wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I lost my page about how to get home directories from one K12 server >>>>>remote mounted to the other server. Can anyone provide me the page? >>>>> >>>>>BK >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > > From bkovach at logrog.net Thu Sep 8 15:27:48 2005 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 10:27:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] remote home directories In-Reply-To: <43205703.1030109@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <33530.216.229.68.126.1126190108.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43204E2B.1090208@maltzen.net> <39250.216.229.68.126.1126191005.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43204F6C.8070000@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <48044.216.229.68.126.1126192939.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43205703.1030109@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <49664.216.229.68.126.1126193268.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> I don't know anything about NIS, but I can learn. I was originally trying to authenticate to my Netware server, but couldn't make NCPFS work correctly. At one point I had it working ... kinda ... but it blocked everyone else from the servers. All of them. I decided that I had enough time in that one and had done enough damage that I needed to move on to another solution for now. > That's a shame makes this sort of thing easy, what about using NIS quite > simply to setup. > > Brian > > Brandon Kovach wrote: > >>No. >> >> >> >>>Are you running LDAP on your main server ?? >>> >>>Brian >>> >>>Brandon Kovach wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>That's exactly it. However, I don't have any users on the second >>>>machine. >>>>I know I need to sync the users, but I don't know how to do that ... >>>>yet. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Not sure what page you're referring to, but if you just export the >>>>> /home >>>>>directory on >>>>>one server: >>>>> >>>>>exportfs -o rw :/home >>>>> >>>>>and then on the other machine mount that export: >>>>> >>>>>mount machine1:/home /home >>>>> >>>>>you should be good to go, assuming the user's UIDs are the same on >>>>> both >>>>>machines. >>>>> >>>>>Petre >>>>> >>>>>Brandon Kovach wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I lost my page about how to get home directories from one K12 server >>>>>>remote mounted to the other server. Can anyone provide me the page? >>>>>> >>>>>>BK >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Life is a race. Don't lose. From scott at remc1.org Thu Sep 8 15:37:11 2005 From: scott at remc1.org (Scott Sherrill) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 11:37:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] remote home directories In-Reply-To: <49664.216.229.68.126.1126193268.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <33530.216.229.68.126.1126190108.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43204E2B.1090208@maltzen.net> <39250.216.229.68.126.1126191005.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43204F6C.8070000@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <48044.216.229.68.126.1126192939.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43205703.1030109@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <49664.216.229.68.126.1126193268.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <43205AA7.9080300@remc1.org> Brandon Kovach wrote: >I don't know anything about NIS, but I can learn. > >I was originally trying to authenticate to my Netware server, but couldn't >make NCPFS work correctly. At one point I had it working ... kinda ... >but it blocked everyone else from the servers. All of them. I decided >that I had enough time in that one and had done enough damage that I >needed to move on to another solution for now. > > > Brandon - To give you another alternative, I created a poor man's nis system using ssh and the followin script: #!/bin/sh /usr/bin/rsync -p -e ssh /etc/passwd $1:/etc/passwd /usr/bin/rsync -p -e ssh /etc/shadow $1:/etc/shadow /usr/bin/rsync -p -e ssh /etc/group $1:/etc/group the script is run from the main password server by cron (every 5min) and is called with the following command: pushpass clientserver then I exported a ssh key from my main password server to each of my client servers (so I don't need to login with a password). So I have 1 server machine, and 5 ltsp servers. When a user is created on the main server, 5 min later they show up on all the ltsp servers. The reason I did it this way? NIS is great - does everything I did above and more, but from any nis client machine if you do a "ypcat passwd" you get the password hash: scott:$1$Kj3gj3Yd$.jx34285SE6N.Ipp1nP1/Q91:2575:825:..... short time from there for a student to crack that invidual pwd. The way I'd do it with the time? ldap. But the above works for me. Just another alternative to chew on. Scott From bkovach at logrog.net Thu Sep 8 15:50:22 2005 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 10:50:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] remote home directories In-Reply-To: <49664.216.229.68.126.1126193268.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <33530.216.229.68.126.1126190108.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43204E2B.1090208@maltzen.net> <39250.216.229.68.126.1126191005.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43204F6C.8070000@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <48044.216.229.68.126.1126192939.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43205703.1030109@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <49664.216.229.68.126.1126193268.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <58796.216.229.68.126.1126194622.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Thanks for all the help, Pete and Brian. It's all done now. And working! :) > I don't know anything about NIS, but I can learn. > > I was originally trying to authenticate to my Netware server, but couldn't > make NCPFS work correctly. At one point I had it working ... kinda ... > but it blocked everyone else from the servers. All of them. I decided > that I had enough time in that one and had done enough damage that I > needed to move on to another solution for now. > >> That's a shame makes this sort of thing easy, what about using NIS quite >> simply to setup. >> >> Brian >> >> Brandon Kovach wrote: >> >>>No. >>> >>> >>> >>>>Are you running LDAP on your main server ?? >>>> >>>>Brian >>>> >>>>Brandon Kovach wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>That's exactly it. However, I don't have any users on the second >>>>>machine. >>>>>I know I need to sync the users, but I don't know how to do that ... >>>>>yet. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Not sure what page you're referring to, but if you just export the >>>>>> /home >>>>>>directory on >>>>>>one server: >>>>>> >>>>>>exportfs -o rw :/home >>>>>> >>>>>>and then on the other machine mount that export: >>>>>> >>>>>>mount machine1:/home /home >>>>>> >>>>>>you should be good to go, assuming the user's UIDs are the same on >>>>>> both >>>>>>machines. >>>>>> >>>>>>Petre >>>>>> >>>>>>Brandon Kovach wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I lost my page about how to get home directories from one K12 server >>>>>>>remote mounted to the other server. Can anyone provide me the page? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>BK >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>For more info see >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > -- > Life is a race. Don't lose. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Life is a race. Don't lose. From bkovach at logrog.net Thu Sep 8 15:53:21 2005 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 10:53:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] remote home directories In-Reply-To: <43205AA7.9080300@remc1.org> References: <33530.216.229.68.126.1126190108.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43204E2B.1090208@maltzen.net> <39250.216.229.68.126.1126191005.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43204F6C.8070000@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <48044.216.229.68.126.1126192939.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43205703.1030109@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <49664.216.229.68.126.1126193268.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43205AA7.9080300@remc1.org> Message-ID: <60350.216.229.68.126.1126194801.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Scott, that's pretty kewl and I understand how all that works except the SSH key. All I know about SSH is that I can do it. I am in the dark about how to make it go automagically as in the cron job you mentioned below. > Brandon Kovach wrote: > >>I don't know anything about NIS, but I can learn. >> >>I was originally trying to authenticate to my Netware server, but >> couldn't >>make NCPFS work correctly. At one point I had it working ... kinda ... >>but it blocked everyone else from the servers. All of them. I decided >>that I had enough time in that one and had done enough damage that I >>needed to move on to another solution for now. >> >> >> > > > Brandon - > > To give you another alternative, I created a poor man's nis system using > ssh and the followin script: > > > #!/bin/sh > > /usr/bin/rsync -p -e ssh /etc/passwd $1:/etc/passwd > /usr/bin/rsync -p -e ssh /etc/shadow $1:/etc/shadow > /usr/bin/rsync -p -e ssh /etc/group $1:/etc/group > > > the script is run from the main password server by cron (every 5min) and > is called with the following command: > > pushpass clientserver > > > > then I exported a ssh key from my main password server to each of my > client servers (so I don't need to login with a password). > > So I have 1 server machine, and 5 ltsp servers. When a user is created > on the main server, 5 min later they show up on all the ltsp servers. > > The reason I did it this way? NIS is great - does everything I did > above and more, but from any nis client machine if you do a "ypcat passwd" > > you get the password hash: > scott:$1$Kj3gj3Yd$.jx34285SE6N.Ipp1nP1/Q91:2575:825:..... > > short time from there for a student to crack that invidual pwd. > > The way I'd do it with the time? ldap. But the above works for me. > > Just another alternative to chew on. > > Scott > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Life is a race. Don't lose. From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 8 16:21:12 2005 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Mysql and php Message-ID: <20050908162113.43424.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com> I did try info.php and that is when I got the Forbidden statement. Any other suggestions? Jennifer mysql-4.1.12-2.FC4.1 php-mysql-5.0.4-10.4 libdbi-dbd-mysql-0.7.1-3 mysql-server-4.1.12-2.FC4.1 mod_auth_mysql-2.6.1-4 mysql-bench-4.1.12-2.FC4.1 mysql-devel-4.1.12-2.FC4.1 mysqlclient10-3.23.58-6 php-mysql-5.0.4-10.4 php-pear-5.0.4-10.4 php-5.0.4-10.4 php-ldap-5.0.4-10.4 Re: Mysql and php * From: Brian Chivers * To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." * Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Mysql and php * Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:24:21 +0100 Have you tried calling a simple php file something like php info ?? Brian Jennifer Waters wrote: I am trying to get some php files to work on my Apache Server. I have mysql and php loaded onto the server. This is what I get when I try to load a php file. php-5.0.4-10.4 mysql-4.1.12-2.RC4.1 Apache 2.0.54 Forbidden You don't have permission to access /info.php on this server. Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. Apache/2.0.54 (Fedora) Server at MadisonHS Port 80 I have tried reloading this several times and I get the same answer. I have given mysql a password and still am having problems. Any suggestions? Jennifer ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From rmccue at law.uvic.ca Thu Sep 8 16:34:48 2005 From: rmccue at law.uvic.ca (Rich McCue) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:34:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] /usr/bin/ssh-agent -s Message-ID: <43206828.8050508@law.uvic.ca> I'm running K12LTSP 4.2.1, and I'm not sure why, but I have about 50 "/usr/bin/ssh-agent -s" processes for closed sessions hanging around. They date back to the last reboot of the terminal server. Is this normal? Outside of using a "kill -9" command how can I elegantly clean up all these dead processes? Thanks in advance. From ramonklown at pop.com.br Thu Sep 8 16:55:26 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:55:26 -0300 (BRT) Subject: [K12OSN] block shutdown on clients In-Reply-To: <43203C07.2000105@stmarys-school.org> References: <20050907202415.88480.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com> <431F4FCF.1000208@remc1.org><10115.200.222.204.46.1126181110.squirrel@popmail7.pop.com.br> <43203C07.2000105@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <10057.200.222.204.46.1126198526.squirrel@popmail7.pop.com.br> Thanks, that's just what I need it. Great job > Ramon wrote: >> I would like to know how I can block shutdown under the clients (terminals) >> machines: x window and shell. >> >> Thanks, >> Ramon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > Ramon, > > Take a look at the following: > > http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/sysadmin-guide/ch-console-access.html#S1-ACCESS-CONSOLE-CTRLALTDEL > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From henryhartley at westat.com Thu Sep 8 17:02:03 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:02:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mysql and php Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E883@MAILBE2.westat.com> Please don't top post. It makes it harder to follow what's going on. Trim and add to the bottom. On 08 Sep 2005 12:21 PM, Jennifer Waters wrote: >> > Jennifer Waters wrote: >> > >> I am trying to get some php files to work on my Apache >> > >> Server. I have mysql and php loaded onto the server. >> > >> This is what I get when I try to load a php file. >> > >> >> > >> Forbidden >> > >> You don't have permission to access /info.php on this >> > >> server. >> > >> > * From: Brian Chivers >> > >> > Have you tried calling a simple php file something >> > like php info ?? >> >> I did try info.php and that is when I got the Forbidden >> statement. >> What are the permissions on the directory and the file you're trying to load? >From the command prompt, can you run "php info.php" and get the expected results? Can you load an HTML file from the same location with the same permissions? Is your web directory in the "default" location? If not, have you either adjusted your SELinux settings or tried turning SELinux off to see if that's part of the problem? -- Henry From scott at remc1.org Thu Sep 8 17:29:57 2005 From: scott at remc1.org (Scott Sherrill) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 13:29:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] remote home directories In-Reply-To: <60350.216.229.68.126.1126194801.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <33530.216.229.68.126.1126190108.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43204E2B.1090208@maltzen.net> <39250.216.229.68.126.1126191005.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43204F6C.8070000@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <48044.216.229.68.126.1126192939.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43205703.1030109@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <49664.216.229.68.126.1126193268.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43205AA7.9080300@remc1.org> <60350.216.229.68.126.1126194801.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <43207515.9010502@remc1.org> Brandon Kovach wrote: >Scott, that's pretty kewl and I understand how all that works except the >SSH key. > > You have to do 2 things. You have to generate a key on the sending server, and you have to accept that same key on the client server. There are a couple websites out there with the directions (sorry its not specific but I am mired today). >All I know about SSH is that I can do it. I am in the dark about how to >make it go automagically as in the cron job you mentioned below. > > > The cron part is easier to explain ;-) Create the following line in /etc/cron.d/pushpass # update packages nightly from RedHat # field allowed values # ----- -------------- # minute 0-59 # hour 0-23 # day of month 1-31 # month 1-12 (or names, see below) # day of week 0-7 (0 or 7 is Sun, or use names) 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * root /root/bin/pushpass www 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * root /root/bin/pushpass nessie 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * root /root/bin/pushpass nessie3 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * root /root/bin/pushpass nessie4 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * root /root/bin/pushpass draco 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * root /root/bin/pushpass hydra1 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * root /root/bin/pushpass hydra2 Cron is just a service that runs programs for you at regular intervals. The above then says run pushpass to each server every 5min. You will need to specify the location of your app (I kept mine in /root/bin/pushpass). From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Thu Sep 8 17:41:30 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 11:41:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Monitor Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <432077CA.90003@saskforestcentre.ca> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf Alexander Hicks wrote: >I'm pretty sure that this will solve the problem I'm facing with about 20 >monitors, if I could only find the lts.conf file to edit. > >Could somebody please point me in the right direction. . . I know it sounds >silly. > >As a side note, Shaker Road School is proud to announce the deployment of >their first K12LTSP server. After reading the list for about a year, and >goofing around with a couple of test servers - we've started to make the >jump and everybody loves it! We have about 40 terminals connected to our new >server with K12ltsp build 4.2.1. The terminals are a wide variety of PC's, >almost all booting with a universal boot disk. > >Thanks for everyone's help! >~Alex >___________________________________ >Alexander Hicks >Technology Coordinator >Shaker Road School >Concord, New Hampshire > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >Behalf Of Rob Owens >Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 6:23 AM >To: Genfil Villahermosa; Support list for opensource software in >schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Monitor Problem > > >You need to edit lts.conf with a line such as one of >the following: > >X_MODE_0 = 800x600 35.25 800 824 872 944 600 >600 601 622 > >X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 60.80 1024 1056 1128 1272 768 >768 770 796 > >I'm pretty sure one of these worked for me when I was >using an old, old monitor. > >Also, I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think you >can put both lines in lts.conf, but call one >"X_MODE_0" and the other "X_MODE_1". Then you can >ctrl-alt-"plus" and ctrl-alt-"minus" to switch between >them. > >Good luck. > >-Rob > >--- Genfil Villahermosa wrote: > > >>I have problem with the monitors here that run on >>thin client. Most of >>the monitors I have here are old or recondition. >>Most of them can't >>handle 1024x758, 75 hz. It black out when when x >>runs. When change the >>default the resolution, it any applys the change >>when the user login >>in. But the user can not login because the monitor >>goes blank. Does >>anyone know how to change the default resolution >>when Xlogin runs? >>Thank you! >>-- >>please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail Mobile >Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. >http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Sep 8 17:52:57 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:52:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mysql and php In-Reply-To: <20050908162113.43424.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003201c5b49e$25a32b10$eb9b060a@winonacotter.org> > I did try info.php and that is when I got the > Forbidden statement. > > Any other suggestions? Do you have a line like the following in Global Environment section of your httpd.conf? Include conf.d/*.conf If so you will want a file named php.conf in your conf.d directory with the following information: ------start php.conf--------- # # PHP is an HTML-embedded scripting language which attempts to make it # easy for developers to write dynamically generated webpages. # LoadModule php4_module modules/libphp4.so # # Cause the PHP interpreter handle files with a .php extension. # SetOutputFilter PHP SetInputFilter PHP LimitRequestBody 524288 # # Add index.php to the list of files that will be served as directory # indexes. # DirectoryIndex index.php index.php3 ---------end php.conf---------- If you do not have the Include conf.d/*.conf directive in your Apache you will want to include the contents of the php.conf file into your httpd.conf. Without this information Apache will not know what to do with .php files and may give you the error. The conf.d folder would be under your /etc/httpd/ folder, or at least where you conf folder resides that contains your httpd.conf. Hope that helps. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/92 - Release Date: 9/7/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From bkovach at logrog.net Thu Sep 8 18:22:02 2005 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:22:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] remote home directories/CRON?SSH In-Reply-To: <43207515.9010502@remc1.org> References: <33530.216.229.68.126.1126190108.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43204E2B.1090208@maltzen.net> <39250.216.229.68.126.1126191005.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43204F6C.8070000@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <48044.216.229.68.126.1126192939.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43205703.1030109@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <49664.216.229.68.126.1126193268.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43205AA7.9080300@remc1.org> <60350.216.229.68.126.1126194801.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43207515.9010502@remc1.org> Message-ID: <35017.216.229.68.126.1126203722.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Sorry. I should have been more clear. I understand cron fairly well. Certainly well enough to monkey with it. However, how to make SSH run well inside of cron ... Not sure. I think the cron jobs I would setup, would fail as the ssh session would be waiting for a password that I would never be entering. I know the key solves that problem. I just don't know how to do it yet. I will by the end of the day, methinks. > Brandon Kovach wrote: > >>Scott, that's pretty kewl and I understand how all that works except the >>SSH key. >> >> > You have to do 2 things. You have to generate a key on the sending > server, and you have to accept that same key on the client server. > There are a couple websites out there with the directions (sorry its not > specific but I am mired today). > > >>All I know about SSH is that I can do it. I am in the dark about how to >>make it go automagically as in the cron job you mentioned below. >> >> >> From robark at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 19:24:41 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:24:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] /usr/bin/ssh-agent -s In-Reply-To: <43206828.8050508@law.uvic.ca> References: <43206828.8050508@law.uvic.ca> Message-ID: On 9/8/05, Rich McCue wrote: > > I'm running K12LTSP 4.2.1, and I'm not sure why, but I have about 50 > "/usr/bin/ssh-agent -s" processes for closed sessions hanging around. > They date back to the last reboot of the terminal server. Is this > normal? Outside of using a "kill -9" command how can I elegantly clean > up all these dead processes? > I reported this as a kind of memory leak a while ago. Edit /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc-common comment out (#) the line near the end with ssh-agent then reboot or kill all existing ssh-agent pids. BTW I'm in Vancouver. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Sep 8 20:16:59 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:16:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using thin client as a jetdirect device] Message-ID: <1f2d26e1f2dff8.1f2dff81f2d26e@texas.rr.com> The terminal kernal is 2.4.26-ltsp-3 I was able to get the terminal into the shell. Right before the Bash prompt I get the following line: tty=/dev/vc/1 The Bash prompt I am getting is: Bash-2.05b# I can type anything I want after the prompt but nothing happens and all I get is a new Bash prompt on the next screen line. Does this give any clues as to what I should try or do next? If it does what should I do? Thanks again Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim McQuillan Date: Thursday, September 8, 2005 7:49 am Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Using thin client as a jetdirect device] > John, > > Set this in lts.conf: > > SCREEN_01 = shell > > Then boot the client, and watch for errors. Maybe it's having a > problemloading a kernel module or something. > > Once you get to a bash prompt, then look for lp_server to be running: > > ps -elf > > See if you see lp_server. If not, then you need to figure out why > it'snot getting started. > > Try this: > > getltscfg PRINTER_0_DEVICE > > see if you get some output > > also do the same for PRINTER_0_TYPE > > And, what version of LTSP are you using? > > There was a bug with printing back in LTSP-4.0 and previous. It > had to > do with looking for PRINTER_1_TYPE, rather than _0_ > > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > I tried the telnet you suggested this morning and got the following: > > > > telnet: connect to 192.168.0.1: connection refused > > telnet:Unable to connect to remote host: connection refused > > > > As you suggested I checked the BIOS in the terminal and tried > telnet> in all three of its settings. The connecetion was refused > each time. > > > > Is there something I need to do to some file or setting to solve > this> issue and if so what do I need to do? > > Thanks > > Pat > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Using thin client as a jetdirect device > > Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:42:14 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Jim McQuillan > > Reply-To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > > > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > References: > <1f989e71f98bff.1f98bff1f989e7 at texas.rr.com>> > > > > Pat, > > > > First thing, before doing anything in the print spooler setup, is > try to > > telnet to the printer. > > > > That is: > > > > telnet ws001 9100 > > > > See if you can connect. If the connection is accepted, you > should be > > able to type things on the keyboard ,and they should print on the > > printer. Press Ctrl-L to eject a page. > > > > If that works, then you've got a CUPS issue on the server. > > > > If the connection isn't accepted, then you have a problem on the > > workstation. Maybe the parallel module isn't being loaded or > something.> > > Which kernel are you booting on the client? I've heard of > problems with > > printing and the LTSP 2.6.9 kernel. You should be using 2.4.26- > ltsp-3. > > > > And, why are you running 'updatedb' ? > > Isn't that for the 'locate' command? > > > > One more thing you can try, is checking the bios settings for the > > printer port. I've seen issues with EPP settings. I don't > remember the > > best setting, but I remember it needing to be changed. > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > > > I am using FC4.4 > > > > > > I still can't get this critter to work. Here is what I have > done and > > such. > > > > > > 1. I edited the lts.conf file as follows; > > > [00:48:54:67:3a:64] > > > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 > > > PRINTER_0_TYPE = P > > > > > > 2. I edited the dhcpd.conf file as follows; > > > host ws001 { > > > hardware ethernet 00:48:54:67:3a:64; > > > fixed-address 192.168.0.1 > > > > > > 3. I opened dhcpd.leases and removed all enteries associated > with that > > > MAC address. > > > 4. I ran updatedb > > > 5. I ran dhcpd restart > > > 6. I turned on the printer and started the terminal from power > off.> > 7. I opened the Nautalis and went to localhosts631/printers > > > 8. I added an HP Laserjet 4 plus. > > > 9. I tried to print a test page and nothing happens not even > any error > > > messages. > > > > > > I'm getting somewhat frustrated with this so any suggestions > would be > > > greatly appreciated. > > > Thanks > > > Pat > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Fri Sep 9 00:02:54 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 17:02:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] User Accounts - Passwords Message-ID: <200509090048.j890mijG017192@mx1.redhat.com> Dear List, I am using a K12 Federo 3 Server, running Samba - LDAP as my PDC. I just created 3500 users accounts using the add bulk script provided. The password was generated by the script. My question is, how do I modify the users to allow them to change there password at first login. For 3500 account it will be very time consuming to change the setting on each user one by one. Thanks for your help --mark From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Sep 9 01:15:17 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:15:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] User Accounts - Passwords In-Reply-To: <200509090048.j890mijG017192@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200509090048.j890mijG017192@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us on Thursday, September 8, 2005 at 8:02 PM +0000 wrote: >Dear List, > >I am using a K12 Federo 3 Server, running Samba - LDAP as my PDC. I just >created 3500 users accounts using the add bulk script provided. The >password >was generated by the script. My question is, how do I modify the users to >allow them to change there password at first login. For 3500 account it >will >be very time consuming to change the setting on each user one by one. > >Thanks for your help > >--mark > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Hi, If using Windows...they can change their passwords now...as it is and it will change both passwords (the Unix and Samba passwords). The issue is changing the password while in Linux....I have done some work on ACL's to allow this, but have kinda' stalled at this point....I posted a how-to on what I'd done so far and am seeking help from others to move forward....below is the text of the message I posted earlier....so as it stands right now...there's no user specific setting for changing passwords....if you used smbldap-installer or followed my how-to....you can simply change the passwords in Windows right now....or try the method below. OR...do what I did....and don't let them change their passwords...simply give them the computer generated one. It's working great for us....if a kid forgets it....Ilook it up.....if it's compromised....I generate a new one. Works good and enforces at least a half-decent password....no more first names and so forth as passwords. Located here http://www.vcsvikings.org/linux/ACL-Stuff/smbldap-ACL-how-to.pdf and here http://www.vcsvikings.org/linux/ACL-Stuff/smbldap-ACL-how-to.sxw is a quick doc I threw together with some ACL stuff I had been working on last spring. I documented what I did in this doc...it worked quite well before, but I haven't tried it since. Last time I tried it was with a K12LTSP 4.2 system (FC3) and an earlier version of the smbldap-installer. I haven't had a chance to "bang on it", but would love it if some of you would. Give it a try, but NOT on a PRODUCTION SYSTEM as you will most certainly hose it! Use a sandbox.....what I normally use is a sandbox (usually a regular desktop PC) and a Windows machine or two connected to the sandbox as kind of a private LAN so I can test the domain and changing Windows passwords....profiles...etc....without messing with the rest of my network. Maybe...with your help and ideas...we can get something working that can easily be easily be dropped in on your existing system or at least put into the smbldap-installer script so we can have something in place for the start of the school year. No promises, but I'd sure like you all to give it a try and see how it works for you....etc. Keep me (and everyone else) posted on your failures and successes....and once again....DO NOT try this on a PRODUCTION system! Thanks in advance for your help! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From mrojava4 at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Fri Sep 9 02:26:48 2005 From: mrojava4 at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrojava4 at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] squid question Message-ID: <1185.24.2.210.202.1126232808.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Does a web server such as apache know whether the traffic it is receiving is via a proxy server (such as squid) or directly from a source PC? The reason that I am asking is that we recently switched ISP's from Cox Cable to the CEN (Connecticut Education Network) and we have run into some problems going through our squid proxy server versus just using nat/masq. Certain pages that cause userid/password popups seem to hang going through our proxy server, but work fine when the proxy server is bypassed. I'm wondering whether, if there is a difference between proxy output versus direct PC output, the new ISP may be doing some (improper) filtering. Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 02:44:59 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:14:59 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] remote home directories/CRON?SSH In-Reply-To: <35017.216.229.68.126.1126203722.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <33530.216.229.68.126.1126190108.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <39250.216.229.68.126.1126191005.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43204F6C.8070000@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <48044.216.229.68.126.1126192939.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43205703.1030109@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <49664.216.229.68.126.1126193268.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43205AA7.9080300@remc1.org> <60350.216.229.68.126.1126194801.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43207515.9010502@remc1.org> <35017.216.229.68.126.1126203722.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <774593a205090819442e95a7dc@mail.gmail.com> On 9/8/05, Brandon Kovach wrote: > Sorry. I should have been more clear. I understand cron fairly well. > Certainly well enough to monkey with it. However, how to make SSH run > well inside of cron ... Not sure. I think the cron jobs I would setup, > would fail as the ssh session would be waiting for a password that I would > never be entering. I know the key solves that problem. I just don't know > how to do it yet. I will by the end of the day, methinks. >From the machine initiating connection (one that is running cron) as root: $ssh-keygen -t dsa (see man for details but fairly simple, I choose dsa) $scp .ssh/id_dsa.pub TARGET:/root/.ssh/. Next time you ssh in to TARGET this should not ask you for password. Now you can put everyting into cron. If needed you should have logged into TARGET and made directory .ssh before hand in /root Same can be done for "user" if only user CRON is to be run effecting user directories. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 02:51:05 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:21:05 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] remote home directories/CRON?SSH In-Reply-To: <774593a205090819442e95a7dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <33530.216.229.68.126.1126190108.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43204F6C.8070000@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <48044.216.229.68.126.1126192939.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43205703.1030109@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <49664.216.229.68.126.1126193268.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43205AA7.9080300@remc1.org> <60350.216.229.68.126.1126194801.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43207515.9010502@remc1.org> <35017.216.229.68.126.1126203722.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <774593a205090819442e95a7dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <774593a20509081951c8f4715@mail.gmail.com> On 9/9/05, Sudev Barar wrote: > On 9/8/05, Brandon Kovach wrote: > > Sorry. I should have been more clear. I understand cron fairly well. > > Certainly well enough to monkey with it. However, how to make SSH run > > well inside of cron ... Not sure. I think the cron jobs I would setup, > > would fail as the ssh session would be waiting for a password that I would > > never be entering. I know the key solves that problem. I just don't know > > how to do it yet. I will by the end of the day, methinks. > > From the machine initiating connection (one that is running cron) as root: > $ssh-keygen -t dsa > (see man for details but fairly simple, I choose dsa) > > $scp .ssh/id_dsa.pub TARGET:/root/.ssh/. > > Next time you ssh in to TARGET this should not ask you for password. > Now you can put everyting into cron. > If needed you should have logged into TARGET and made directory .ssh > before hand in /root Same can be done for "user" if only user CRON is > to be run effecting user directories. SORRY, made a goof up. First log into TARGET machine. Generate key pair there and scp this to INITIATOR machine (from where cron is to run). ALWAYS generate key pair in target machine and put the public part of the key on the initiator. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From robark at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 03:28:22 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 20:28:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't sleep monitors using DPMS Message-ID: with 3.1.2 RH9 I simply added the line Option "DPMS" in the following section of file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.setupx Section "Monitor" Identifier "My Monitor" VendorName "Unknown" ModelName "Unknown" HorizSync ${X_HORZSYNC} VertRefresh ${X_VERTREFRESH} Option "DPMS" EOF Now in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg using 4.2.1 I tried using Option "DPMS" "TRUE" and commented out this IF block #if [ x${X_DPMS} = "xN" -o x${X_DPMS} = "xn" ]; then # echo " Option \"DPMS\" \"FALSE\"" #else # echo " Option \"DPMS\" \"TRUE\"" #fi so it will always be DPMS true but it does not work. Has anyone got monitor power saving mode working in 4.x -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca Fri Sep 9 03:40:45 2005 From: k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 22:40:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] cron job how to Message-ID: <4321043D.1020308@stmaurice.mb.ca> I have a "homework folder" for each computer class where the owner is the teacher of the class, the group is the group associated with that class. owner has read write execute, group has write and execute. So effectively, they can drag/drop off their assignments into this folder, and after they close the window, can't access their own file, effectively "handing in" their assignment. I was quite pleased with myself until I went into one of my own class homework folders. I can see all the files( this is good) but cannot open any!(this is bad!) for myself I could get around this by logging in as root and harvesting the files to mark but of course do not want the other teachers to be able to do that. I am assuming that the problem lies with permissions, in that when student a creates a file by dragging it into the homework folder, the permissions for THAT file become theirs, as in they become the owner of that file, and not the teacher. I would love for created files to be owned by the teacher. Am I right in that? The only way I can think of around this is to write a little bash script that chown's the files in the class homework folder to change all file ownership back to class teacher. I am sure I could write this script and execute it manually but have no idea how to automate it. I have heard and read about scheduling such an animal as a "cron job" but have no idea how to schedule/set up such a thing I would really appreciate help with this. Thanks From vceder at canterburyschool.org Fri Sep 9 03:51:53 2005 From: vceder at canterburyschool.org (Vern Ceder) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 22:51:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] cron job how to In-Reply-To: <4321043D.1020308@stmaurice.mb.ca> References: <4321043D.1020308@stmaurice.mb.ca> Message-ID: <432106D9.9080203@canterburyschool.org> Hi, As root do 'crontab -e' Enter a line like '0/2 * * * * /complete/path/to/your/script' and save the file. That will execute the script every 2 minutes of every hour, day, month and day of the week. You can change the 2 to whatever number of minutes you want (from 1 to 30) For more help, refer to http://www.hentzenwerke.com/wp/cron_explained.htm Cheers, Vern Liam Marshall wrote: > I have a "homework folder" for each computer class where the owner is > the teacher of the class, the group is the group associated with that > class. owner has read write execute, group has write and execute. So > effectively, they can drag/drop off their assignments into this folder, > and after they close the window, can't access their own file, > effectively "handing in" their assignment. > > I was quite pleased with myself until I went into one of my own class > homework folders. I can see all the files( this is good) but cannot > open any!(this is bad!) for myself I could get around this by logging > in as root and harvesting the files to mark but of course do not want > the other teachers to be able to do that. I am assuming that the > problem lies with permissions, in that when student a creates a file by > dragging it into the homework folder, the permissions for THAT file > become theirs, as in they become the owner of that file, and not the > teacher. I would love for created files to be owned by the teacher. Am > I right in that? > > The only way I can think of around this is to write a little bash script > that chown's the files in the class homework folder to change all file > ownership back to class teacher. I am sure I could write this script > and execute it manually but have no idea how to automate it. I have > heard and read about scheduling such an animal as a "cron job" but have > no idea how to schedule/set up such a thing > > I would really appreciate help with this. > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 From les at futuresource.com Fri Sep 9 05:11:01 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:11:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] remote home directories/CRON?SSH In-Reply-To: <774593a20509081951c8f4715@mail.gmail.com> References: <33530.216.229.68.126.1126190108.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43204F6C.8070000@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <48044.216.229.68.126.1126192939.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43205703.1030109@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <49664.216.229.68.126.1126193268.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43205AA7.9080300@remc1.org> <60350.216.229.68.126.1126194801.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43207515.9010502@remc1.org> <35017.216.229.68.126.1126203722.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <774593a205090819442e95a7dc@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20509081951c8f4715@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1126242661.20150.136.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-09-08 at 21:51, Sudev Barar wrote: > > > > From the machine initiating connection (one that is running cron) as root: > > $ssh-keygen -t dsa > > (see man for details but fairly simple, I choose dsa) > > > > $scp .ssh/id_dsa.pub TARGET:/root/.ssh/. > > > > Next time you ssh in to TARGET this should not ask you for password. > > Now you can put everyting into cron. > > If needed you should have logged into TARGET and made directory .ssh > > before hand in /root Same can be done for "user" if only user CRON is > > to be run effecting user directories. > > SORRY, made a goof up. > First log into TARGET machine. Generate key pair there and scp this to > INITIATOR machine (from where cron is to run). ALWAYS generate key > pair in target machine and put the public part of the key on the > initiator. You had it almost right the first time. The key pairs are generated on the initiating machine but you copy the public key to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys2 on the target machine (actually you append to this file but if there is only one key it won't matter). If you want it to run under cron you need to use an empty passphrase when you create the keys. Conceptually, what happens is that the ssh program (connecting client) must have read access to the private key, and the target sshd uses the public key to make it prove that before accepting who it says it is. Ssh is very picky about permissions on the .ssh directory and above - for good reasons. If you have trouble with a passwordless connection you might find the reason by using ssh -v or by looking at /var/log/secure on the server side. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From goblin at scooter.co.nz Fri Sep 9 09:32:35 2005 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (mrgoblin) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 21:32:35 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] remote home directories/CRON?SSH In-Reply-To: <1126242661.20150.136.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <33530.216.229.68.126.1126190108.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43204F6C.8070000@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <48044.216.229.68.126.1126192939.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43205703.1030109@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <49664.216.229.68.126.1126193268.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43205AA7.9080300@remc1.org> <60350.216.229.68.126.1126194801.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <43207515.9010502@remc1.org> <35017.216.229.68.126.1126203722.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> <774593a205090819442e95a7dc@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20509081951c8f4715@mail.gmail.com> <1126242661.20150.136.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <432156B3.2080009@scooter.co.nz> > You had it almost right the first time. The key pairs are > generated on the initiating machine but you copy the > public key to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys2 on the target > machine (actually you append to this file but if there > is only one key it won't matter). If you want it to > run under cron you need to use an empty passphrase > when you create the keys. > > Conceptually, what happens is that the ssh program > (connecting client) must have read access to the > private key, and the target sshd uses the public > key to make it prove that before accepting who > it says it is. Ssh is very picky about permissions > on the .ssh directory and above - for good reasons. > If you have trouble with a passwordless connection > you might find the reason by using ssh -v or > by looking at /var/log/secure on the server side. I find "ssh-copy-id" good for this as it copies your public key and takes care of permissions too. mrgoblin From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Sep 9 10:20:09 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Webport) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 11:20:09 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] What's the difference between OpenLDAP backen dbm and ldbm Message-ID: <432161D9.80700@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> We're happily running our Samba 3 / OpenLDAP system setup using the smbldap-installer script. I've been looking around trying to do a little background reading on the OpenLDAP section and I'm a little confused as to what the difference is between dbm & ldbm for the backend database. I see from our slapd.conf file that the installer uses ldbm is this better then dbm ?? Any information would be greatfully received. Thanks Brian Chivers Portsmouth College From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Sep 9 11:35:27 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 06:35:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] cron job how to In-Reply-To: <4321043D.1020308@stmaurice.mb.ca> References: <4321043D.1020308@stmaurice.mb.ca> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You could also setuid the folder so that items within it would be owned by the teacher. On Sep 8, 2005, at 10:40 PM, Liam Marshall wrote: > I have a "homework folder" for each computer class where the owner > is the teacher of the class, the group is the group associated with > that class. owner has read write execute, group has write and > execute. So effectively, they can drag/drop off their assignments > into this folder, and after they close the window, can't access > their own file, effectively "handing in" their assignment. > > I was quite pleased with myself until I went into one of my own > class homework folders. I can see all the files( this is good) but > cannot open any!(this is bad!) for myself I could get around this > by logging in as root and harvesting the files to mark but of > course do not want the other teachers to be able to do that. I am > assuming that the problem lies with permissions, in that when > student a creates a file by dragging it into the homework folder, > the permissions for THAT file become theirs, as in they become the > owner of that file, and not the teacher. I would love for created > files to be owned by the teacher. Am I right in that? > > The only way I can think of around this is to write a little bash > script that chown's the files in the class homework folder to > change all file ownership back to class teacher. I am sure I could > write this script and execute it manually but have no idea how to > automate it. I have heard and read about scheduling such an animal > as a "cron job" but have no idea how to schedule/set up such a thing > > I would really appreciate help with this. > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkMhc4AACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQmSgCcDa5VCMeiUP+Ni/gYDYOeVJhH 2tEAoIPtbcSPsMZbCWhOh8VGrV/bXJcx =CTYy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Sep 9 12:42:16 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 07:42:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP across the Wan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I wouldn't want to run thin clients across the WAN, however, you can do a minimal install of Winders or linux and use VNC to connect across the WAN for reasonable use with a few computers. The computers just need at least 800x600 and 32MB of RAM or more. Remember this will not support too many at a time or things will get to where response is slow. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 8 Sep 2005, Rondall Stewart wrote: > Has anyone been able to get k12ltsp working from across a WAN? A school district with limited funds has approached me with this request. They have point to point T1 between 3 locations and the want to give modern functionality to some of their legacy machines. > > > Rondall Stewart > Technical Team Leader > ICC Technology Partners > (606)886-8447 > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Sep 9 13:25:38 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 08:25:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] cron job how to In-Reply-To: References: <4321043D.1020308@stmaurice.mb.ca> Message-ID: <43218D52.9030106@maltzen.net> Following Burke's suggestion, run chmod g+s on the folder. This will force the group for each file to be the group of the folder itself, which the teacher is a member of, and so the teacher should have access to the files. Another approach would be to put the teacher's ID into each student's group, but that sounds like a lot more work. Petre Burke Almquist wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > You could also setuid the folder so that items within it would be owned > by the teacher. > > On Sep 8, 2005, at 10:40 PM, Liam Marshall wrote: > >> I have a "homework folder" for each computer class where the owner is >> the teacher of the class, the group is the group associated with that >> class. owner has read write execute, group has write and execute. >> So effectively, they can drag/drop off their assignments into this >> folder, and after they close the window, can't access their own file, >> effectively "handing in" their assignment. >> >> I was quite pleased with myself until I went into one of my own class >> homework folders. I can see all the files( this is good) but cannot >> open any!(this is bad!) for myself I could get around this by >> logging in as root and harvesting the files to mark but of course do >> not want the other teachers to be able to do that. I am assuming >> that the problem lies with permissions, in that when student a >> creates a file by dragging it into the homework folder, the >> permissions for THAT file become theirs, as in they become the owner >> of that file, and not the teacher. I would love for created files to >> be owned by the teacher. Am I right in that? >> >> The only way I can think of around this is to write a little bash >> script that chown's the files in the class homework folder to change >> all file ownership back to class teacher. I am sure I could write >> this script and execute it manually but have no idea how to automate >> it. I have heard and read about scheduling such an animal as a "cron >> job" but have no idea how to schedule/set up such a thing >> >> I would really appreciate help with this. >> >> Thanks >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkMhc4AACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQmSgCcDa5VCMeiUP+Ni/gYDYOeVJhH > 2tEAoIPtbcSPsMZbCWhOh8VGrV/bXJcx > =CTYy > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Sep 9 13:35:08 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 08:35:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] What's the difference between OpenLDAP backen dbm and ldbm In-Reply-To: <432161D9.80700@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <432161D9.80700@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <43218F8C.90402@maltzen.net> From Gerald Carter's "LDAP System Administration" (O'Reilly): "In order to build a standalone OpenLDAP server, it is necessary to provide libraries for some type of database manager (DBM). OpenLDAP presently supports two categories of local DB storage. The first, referred to as ldbm, can use either the GNU Database Manager from the Free Software Foundation or the BerkelyDB package from Sleepycat software. The second database type introduced in OpenLDAP 2.1, called dbd, has been customized to use only the Berkeley DB 4 libraries. The newer dbd backend type is preferred to the ldbm interface for servers that maintain local copies of data, such as those we will build in this book." You might check out the FSF and Sleepcat websites for more details. HTH Petre Brian Webport wrote: > We're happily running our Samba 3 / OpenLDAP system setup using the > smbldap-installer script. I've been looking around trying to do a little > background reading on the OpenLDAP section and I'm a little confused as > to what the difference is between dbm & ldbm for the backend database. > > I see from our slapd.conf file that the installer uses ldbm is this > better then dbm ?? > > Any information would be greatfully received. > > Thanks > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Sep 9 13:38:30 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Webport) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 14:38:30 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] What's the difference between OpenLDAP backen dbm and ldbm In-Reply-To: <43218F8C.90402@maltzen.net> References: <432161D9.80700@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <43218F8C.90402@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43219056.2060508@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Petre Scheie wrote: > From Gerald Carter's "LDAP System Administration" (O'Reilly): > > "In order to build a standalone OpenLDAP server, it is necessary to > provide libraries for some type of database manager (DBM). OpenLDAP > presently supports two categories of local DB storage. The first, > referred to as ldbm, can use either the GNU Database Manager from the > Free Software Foundation or the BerkelyDB package from Sleepycat > software. The second database type introduced in OpenLDAP 2.1, called > dbd, has been customized to use only the Berkeley DB 4 libraries. The > newer dbd backend type is preferred to the ldbm interface for servers > that maintain local copies of data, such as those we will build in > this book." > > You might check out the FSF and Sleepcat websites for more details. > > HTH > > Petre > > Brian Webport wrote: > >> We're happily running our Samba 3 / OpenLDAP system setup using the >> smbldap-installer script. I've been looking around trying to do a >> little background reading on the OpenLDAP section and I'm a little >> confused as to what the difference is between dbm & ldbm for the >> backend database. >> >> I see from our slapd.conf file that the installer uses ldbm is this >> better then dbm ?? >> >> Any information would be greatfully received. >> >> Thanks >> Brian Chivers >> Portsmouth College >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Thanks, I'll have a look Interesting that the smbldap-installer script sets up a ldbm backend where it looks like it should be dbd ?? Brian From petre at maltzen.net Fri Sep 9 13:46:30 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 08:46:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] What's the difference between OpenLDAP backen dbm and ldbm In-Reply-To: <43219056.2060508@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <432161D9.80700@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <43218F8C.90402@maltzen.net> <43219056.2060508@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <43219236.9020708@maltzen.net> Brian Webport wrote: > Petre Scheie wrote: > >> From Gerald Carter's "LDAP System Administration" (O'Reilly): >> >> "In order to build a standalone OpenLDAP server, it is necessary to >> provide libraries for some type of database manager (DBM). OpenLDAP >> presently supports two categories of local DB storage. The first, >> referred to as ldbm, can use either the GNU Database Manager from the >> Free Software Foundation or the BerkelyDB package from Sleepycat >> software. The second database type introduced in OpenLDAP 2.1, called >> dbd, has been customized to use only the Berkeley DB 4 libraries. The >> newer dbd backend type is preferred to the ldbm interface for servers >> that maintain local copies of data, such as those we will build in >> this book." >> >> You might check out the FSF and Sleepcat websites for more details. >> >> HTH >> >> Petre >> >> Brian Webport wrote: >> >>> We're happily running our Samba 3 / OpenLDAP system setup using the >>> smbldap-installer script. I've been looking around trying to do a >>> little background reading on the OpenLDAP section and I'm a little >>> confused as to what the difference is between dbm & ldbm for the >>> backend database. >>> >>> I see from our slapd.conf file that the installer uses ldbm is this >>> better then dbm ?? >>> >>> Any information would be greatfully received. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Brian Chivers >>> Portsmouth College >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > Thanks, I'll have a look > > Interesting that the smbldap-installer script sets up a ldbm backend > where it looks like it should be dbd ?? > > Brian > Excuse me, I introduced a couple of typos. The line "... The second database type introduced in OpenLDAP 2.1, called dbd, has been customized to use only the Berkeley DB 4 libraries. The newer dbd backend type is preferred..." should have read "... The second database type introduced in OpenLDAP 2.1, called bdb, has been customized to use only the Berkeley DB 4 libraries. The newer bdb backend type is preferred..." bdb and dbd are easily mistyped, particularly is one is a poor typist. Petre From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Sep 9 14:21:49 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:21:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] wireless_ltsp Message-ID: Is the wireless_ltsp package from 2002 still the current version to use for booting laptops with pcmcia cards (mine's wired, but supported)? I have an old laptop without a working hard drive -- I *barely* got the floppy to work (the cdrom works fine, go figure) and I want it to boot as a thin client to save space on my desk. I did get it to boot, but it complains about NFS swap not being compiled into the kernel, and the xserver wont' start (probably have to figure out it's chipset and edit in lts.conf) I guess I'm just curious if the 2002 package is still the most current. Thanks! -Shawn From rstewart at iccpartners.com Fri Sep 9 14:34:04 2005 From: rstewart at iccpartners.com (Rondall Stewart) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:34:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP across the Wan Message-ID: That is pretty much the consensus. However, I am talking about 30+ at a time. I am afraid I am going to place a Level 2 server at each location. Only 4 weeks into my Linux experience, I am learning as I go. I have read about enabling X forwarding through a SSH login. But I am afraid this will also be to slow for mass connections. Rondall Stewart Technical Team Leader ICC Technology Partners (606)886-8447 ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Doug Simpson Sent: Fri 9/9/2005 8:42 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP across the Wan I wouldn't want to run thin clients across the WAN, however, you can do a minimal install of Winders or linux and use VNC to connect across the WAN for reasonable use with a few computers. The computers just need at least 800x600 and 32MB of RAM or more. Remember this will not support too many at a time or things will get to where response is slow. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 8 Sep 2005, Rondall Stewart wrote: > Has anyone been able to get k12ltsp working from across a WAN? A school district with limited funds has approached me with this request. They have point to point T1 between 3 locations and the want to give modern functionality to some of their legacy machines. > > > Rondall Stewart > Technical Team Leader > ICC Technology Partners > (606)886-8447 > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 5088 bytes Desc: not available URL: From smooge at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 14:32:04 2005 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:32:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP across the Wan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80d7e409050909073215e99750@mail.gmail.com> A couple of things could help here... How much bandwidth does the WAN have How many computers How many locations What kind of computers are these (memory/cpu) etc On 9/9/05, Rondall Stewart wrote: > That is pretty much the consensus. However, I am talking about 30+ at a time. I am afraid I am going to place a Level 2 server at each location. Only 4 weeks into my Linux experience, I am learning as I go. I have read about enabling X forwarding through a SSH login. But I am afraid this will also be to slow for mass connections. > > Rondall Stewart > Technical Team Leader > ICC Technology Partners > (606)886-8447 > > ________________________________ > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Doug Simpson > Sent: Fri 9/9/2005 8:42 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP across the Wan > > > > I wouldn't want to run thin clients across the WAN, however, you can do a > minimal install of Winders or linux and use VNC to connect across the WAN > for reasonable use with a few computers. > > The computers just need at least 800x600 and 32MB of RAM or more. > > Remember this will not support too many at a time or things will get to > where response is slow. > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Thu, 8 Sep 2005, Rondall Stewart wrote: > > > Has anyone been able to get k12ltsp working from across a WAN? A school district with limited funds has approached me with this request. They have point to point T1 between 3 locations and the want to give modern functionality to some of their legacy machines. > > > > > > Rondall Stewart > > Technical Team Leader > > ICC Technology Partners > > (606)886-8447 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Stephen J Smoogen. CSIRT/Linux System Administrator From rmccue at law.uvic.ca Fri Sep 9 15:05:23 2005 From: rmccue at law.uvic.ca (Rich McCue) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 08:05:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] /usr/bin/ssh-agent -s In-Reply-To: <20050909133528.B04AE730E2@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050909133528.B04AE730E2@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4321A4B3.2000108@law.uvic.ca> Thanks Robert... that fixed the problem perfectly! I'm in Victoria, BC, and am getting a computer club setup in my kids elementary school so we can sneak a LTSP solution in the back door. Thanks to everyone for all your help. Rich On 9/8/05, Rich McCue wrote: >> >> I'm running K12LTSP 4.2.1, and I'm not sure why, but I have about 50 >> "/usr/bin/ssh-agent -s" processes for closed sessions hanging around. >> They date back to the last reboot of the terminal server. Is this >> normal? Outside of using a "kill -9" command how can I elegantly clean >> up all these dead processes? >> > > I reported this as a kind of memory leak a while ago. Edit /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc-common comment out (#) the line near the end with ssh-agent then reboot or kill all existing ssh-agent pids. BTW I'm in Vancouver. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > From rstewart at iccpartners.com Fri Sep 9 15:20:13 2005 From: rstewart at iccpartners.com (Rondall Stewart) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:20:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP across the Wan Message-ID: The WAN are connected with full T1 1.5M Point to Points. 4 locations total (1 Lan and 3 Remote Location) Each school has between 20 to 30 workstations (mostly labs) that would benifit from this. The worsations are IBM's which vary in specs, we cut the support level at a Pentium 166 mhz with 32 Mb ram. The good news is they all are PXE enabled. Rondall Stewart Technical Team Leader ICC Technology Partners (606)886-8447 ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Stephen J. Smoogen Sent: Fri 9/9/2005 10:32 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP across the Wan A couple of things could help here... How much bandwidth does the WAN have How many computers How many locations What kind of computers are these (memory/cpu) etc On 9/9/05, Rondall Stewart wrote: > That is pretty much the consensus. However, I am talking about 30+ at a time. I am afraid I am going to place a Level 2 server at each location. Only 4 weeks into my Linux experience, I am learning as I go. I have read about enabling X forwarding through a SSH login. But I am afraid this will also be to slow for mass connections. > > Rondall Stewart > Technical Team Leader > ICC Technology Partners > (606)886-8447 > > ________________________________ > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Doug Simpson > Sent: Fri 9/9/2005 8:42 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP across the Wan > > > > I wouldn't want to run thin clients across the WAN, however, you can do a > minimal install of Winders or linux and use VNC to connect across the WAN > for reasonable use with a few computers. > > The computers just need at least 800x600 and 32MB of RAM or more. > > Remember this will not support too many at a time or things will get to > where response is slow. > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Thu, 8 Sep 2005, Rondall Stewart wrote: > > > Has anyone been able to get k12ltsp working from across a WAN? A school district with limited funds has approached me with this request. They have point to point T1 between 3 locations and the want to give modern functionality to some of their legacy machines. > > > > > > Rondall Stewart > > Technical Team Leader > > ICC Technology Partners > > (606)886-8447 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Stephen J Smoogen. CSIRT/Linux System Administrator _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 6660 bytes Desc: not available URL: From smooge at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 15:22:27 2005 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:22:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP across the Wan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80d7e40905090908226f6b57@mail.gmail.com> In this case, you will want local servers for each location. The bandwidth will be bogged for the boxes without NX and some other stuff. You should be able to keep all 4 servers in sync with each other though using something like cfengine so the support would be lower. How is PXE going to travel the WAN? On 9/9/05, Rondall Stewart wrote: > The WAN are connected with full T1 1.5M Point to Points. > 4 locations total (1 Lan and 3 Remote Location) > Each school has between 20 to 30 workstations (mostly labs) that would benifit from this. > The worsations are IBM's which vary in specs, we cut the support level at a Pentium 166 mhz with 32 Mb ram. The good news is they all are PXE enabled. > > > Rondall Stewart > Technical Team Leader > ICC Technology Partners > (606)886-8447 > > ________________________________ > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Stephen J. Smoogen > Sent: Fri 9/9/2005 10:32 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP across the Wan > > > > A couple of things could help here... > > How much bandwidth does the WAN have > How many computers > How many locations > What kind of computers are these (memory/cpu) etc > > On 9/9/05, Rondall Stewart wrote: > > That is pretty much the consensus. However, I am talking about 30+ at a time. I am afraid I am going to place a Level 2 server at each location. Only 4 weeks into my Linux experience, I am learning as I go. I have read about enabling X forwarding through a SSH login. But I am afraid this will also be to slow for mass connections. > > > > Rondall Stewart > > Technical Team Leader > > ICC Technology Partners > > (606)886-8447 > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Doug Simpson > > Sent: Fri 9/9/2005 8:42 AM > > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP across the Wan > > > > > > > > I wouldn't want to run thin clients across the WAN, however, you can do a > > minimal install of Winders or linux and use VNC to connect across the WAN > > for reasonable use with a few computers. > > > > The computers just need at least 800x600 and 32MB of RAM or more. > > > > Remember this will not support too many at a time or things will get to > > where response is slow. > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > DeQueen Public Schools > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > Tux for President! > > > > On Thu, 8 Sep 2005, Rondall Stewart wrote: > > > > > Has anyone been able to get k12ltsp working from across a WAN? A school district with limited funds has approached me with this request. They have point to point T1 between 3 locations and the want to give modern functionality to some of their legacy machines. > > > > > > > > > Rondall Stewart > > > Technical Team Leader > > > ICC Technology Partners > > > (606)886-8447 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > -- > Stephen J Smoogen. > CSIRT/Linux System Administrator > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > -- Stephen J Smoogen. CSIRT/Linux System Administrator From mpribik at zoznam.sk Fri Sep 9 17:27:25 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 18:27:25 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] /usr/bin/ssh-agent -s References: <20050909133528.B04AE730E2@hormel.redhat.com> <4321A4B3.2000108@law.uvic.ca> Message-ID: <000601c5b563$bf2e4ec0$0100a8c0@Marian> could you write or copy precisely what line is it and how does it look like? Thank you, Marian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich McCue" To: Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] /usr/bin/ssh-agent -s > Thanks Robert... that fixed the problem perfectly! > > I'm in Victoria, BC, and am getting a computer club setup in my kids elementary school so we can sneak a LTSP solution in the back door. > > Thanks to everyone for all your help. > > Rich > > On 9/8/05, Rich McCue wrote: > > >> > >> I'm running K12LTSP 4.2.1, and I'm not sure why, but I have about 50 > >> "/usr/bin/ssh-agent -s" processes for closed sessions hanging around. > >> They date back to the last reboot of the terminal server. Is this > >> normal? Outside of using a "kill -9" command how can I elegantly clean > >> up all these dead processes? > >> > > > > > > I reported this as a kind of memory leak a while ago. Edit > /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc-common > comment out (#) the line near the end with ssh-agent then reboot or kill all > existing ssh-agent pids. > > BTW I'm in Vancouver. > -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From caldodge at fpcc.net Fri Sep 9 16:51:06 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:51:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't sleep monitors using DPMS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050909165106.GA31904@fpcc.net> On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 08:28:22PM -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > with 3.1.2 RH9 I simply added the line > Option "DPMS" in the following section of file > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.setupx > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "My Monitor" > VendorName "Unknown" > ModelName "Unknown" > HorizSync ${X_HORZSYNC} > VertRefresh ${X_VERTREFRESH} > Option "DPMS" > EOF > > Now in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg using 4.2.1 I tried using > Option "DPMS" "TRUE" > and commented out this IF block > > #if [ x${X_DPMS} = "xN" -o x${X_DPMS} = "xn" ]; then > # echo " Option \"DPMS\" \"FALSE\"" > #else > # echo " Option \"DPMS\" \"TRUE\"" > #fi > > so it will always be DPMS true but it does not work. > Has anyone got monitor power saving mode working in 4.x There appear to be two problems - I'd like to see if you concur before I post to the list. First, /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg has a typo. There's a section which (at least, in my copy) reads like this: cat <<-EOF Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "XFree86 Configured" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Mouse1" "AlwaysCore" Option "StandbyTime" "${X_DPMS_STANDBYTIME:-0}" Option "SuspendTime" "${X_DPMS_SUSPENDTIME:-0}" Option "OffTime" "${X_DPMS_OFFTIME:-0}" EOF The "-EOF" is wrong - it should be "EOF", to match the marker at the end of the text. My experience was that when the EOF marker was specified incorrectly, then NONE of the "ServerLayout" section was being copied to the terminal's X config file. Second, you must define the DPMS times in lts.conf for them to have an effect. That would look something like this: X_DPMS_STANDBYTIME = 5 X_DPMS_SUSPENDTIME = 10 X_DPMS_OFFTIME = 30 I made those changes this morning, and my terminals are FINALLY turning the monitor off (amber indication light on front of monitor) instead of burning up electricity with a blank screen (but still a green monitor light). Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From jam at mcquil.com Fri Sep 9 16:41:06 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Issue with ISC dhcpd 3.0.3 Message-ID: Hey all, we've found a problem with the latest version of ISC dhcpd (3.0.3). If you upgrade to that version, and you are serving TFTP from the same box that you are serving DHCP from, you won't be able to boot your clients, until you add a 'next-server' entry to dhcpd.conf. I've submitted a bug report to ISC, and I wrote up a better description of the problem/fix on the LTSP wiki. here's the URL to the article: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DhcpdSiaddr I just thought I'd warn you all ahead of time, so that if and when you do upgrade, and you have a problem, you'll have an idea of where to go. Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From caldodge at fpcc.net Fri Sep 9 16:57:43 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:57:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't sleep monitors using DPMS In-Reply-To: <20050909165106.GA31904@fpcc.net> References: <20050909165106.GA31904@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <20050909165743.GC31904@fpcc.net> On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 10:51:06AM -0600, Calvin Dodge wrote: > > There appear to be two problems - I'd like to see if you concur > before I post to the list. Well, THAT didn't work! I guess I should have double-checked the recipient list before sending that email. OK, folks - you all might as well tell me if I was correct, or just talking through my hat. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Fri Sep 9 18:32:12 2005 From: sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 11:32:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP across the Wan - NX status? In-Reply-To: <20050909160031.1690A7356F@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050909160031.1690A7356F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1126290733.5743.250.camel@localhost> The No Machine NX protocol is supposed to be the ideal solution for your application, that is, thin client access to a terminal server over a slow WAN link. A quick google confirms that there are people working on this for K12LTSP http://www.mailbucket.org/rss_k12osn-506780.html and if memory serves, this was a hot topic at the last K12LTSP convention back east. NX has a commercial version and a free version, not sure of the details right now, but it is supposed to be as good as MS RDP or better over low bandwidth links. They claim a graphical terminal session is quite useable over dialup. Now, getting your terminals to boot from a remote K12LTSP server is a different topic, but it should work fine with a locally installed NX capable client. Can anyone on the list give us a status on NX support? Hope this helps, Sean Harbour Network Engineer Northwest Regional Education Service District 5825 NE Ray Circle, Hillsboro, OR 97124 503-614-1448 > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:20:13 -0400 > From: "Rondall Stewart" > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] K12LTSP across the Wan > To: , "Support list for opensource software in > schools." > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The WAN are connected with full T1 1.5M Point to Points. > 4 locations total (1 Lan and 3 Remote Location) > Each school has between 20 to 30 workstations (mostly labs) that would > benifit from this. > The worsations are IBM's which vary in specs, we cut the support > level at a Pentium 166 mhz with 32 Mb ram. The good news is they all > are PXE enabled. > > > Rondall Stewart > Technical Team Leader > ICC Technology Partners > (606)886-8447 From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Fri Sep 9 18:47:14 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:47:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP across the Wan - NX status? In-Reply-To: <1126290733.5743.250.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200509091842.j89IgKk20406@www.mi-spot.com> I would like to second Sean's pitch for No Machine NX. The speed is incredibly fast. Our district has a rather sluggish T-1 connection, but I was able to connect to my Gnome desktop on my webserver just as fast as I was sitting there. I've used VNC also, but No Machine NX was truly the better product. It's so good, I'm even planning on purchasing a few licenses (rather than search for an open source alternative). It will even run over SSH, which is more secure, and makes for fewer ports you must have open. Eric Brown -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Sean Harbour Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 1:32 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP across the Wan - NX status? The No Machine NX protocol is supposed to be the ideal solution for your application, that is, thin client access to a terminal server over a slow WAN link. A quick google confirms that there are people working on this for K12LTSP http://www.mailbucket.org/rss_k12osn-506780.html and if memory serves, this was a hot topic at the last K12LTSP convention back east. NX has a commercial version and a free version, not sure of the details right now, but it is supposed to be as good as MS RDP or better over low bandwidth links. They claim a graphical terminal session is quite useable over dialup. Now, getting your terminals to boot from a remote K12LTSP server is a different topic, but it should work fine with a locally installed NX capable client. Can anyone on the list give us a status on NX support? Hope this helps, Sean Harbour Network Engineer Northwest Regional Education Service District 5825 NE Ray Circle, Hillsboro, OR 97124 503-614-1448 > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:20:13 -0400 > From: "Rondall Stewart" > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] K12LTSP across the Wan > To: , "Support list for opensource software in > schools." > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The WAN are connected with full T1 1.5M Point to Points. > 4 locations total (1 Lan and 3 Remote Location) Each school has > between 20 to 30 workstations (mostly labs) that would benifit from > this. > The worsations are IBM's which vary in specs, we cut the support > level at a Pentium 166 mhz with 32 Mb ram. The good news is they all > are PXE enabled. > > > Rondall Stewart > Technical Team Leader > ICC Technology Partners > (606)886-8447 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From rstewart at iccpartners.com Fri Sep 9 18:59:03 2005 From: rstewart at iccpartners.com (Rondall Stewart) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:59:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP across the Wan - NX status? Message-ID: Thanks, I will attack it from the NX angle and post my results. Rondall Stewart Technical Team Leader ICC Technology Partners (606)886-8447 ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Eric Brown Sent: Fri 9/9/2005 2:47 PM To: sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us; 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP across the Wan - NX status? I would like to second Sean's pitch for No Machine NX. The speed is incredibly fast. Our district has a rather sluggish T-1 connection, but I was able to connect to my Gnome desktop on my webserver just as fast as I was sitting there. I've used VNC also, but No Machine NX was truly the better product. It's so good, I'm even planning on purchasing a few licenses (rather than search for an open source alternative). It will even run over SSH, which is more secure, and makes for fewer ports you must have open. Eric Brown -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Sean Harbour Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 1:32 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP across the Wan - NX status? The No Machine NX protocol is supposed to be the ideal solution for your application, that is, thin client access to a terminal server over a slow WAN link. A quick google confirms that there are people working on this for K12LTSP http://www.mailbucket.org/rss_k12osn-506780.html and if memory serves, this was a hot topic at the last K12LTSP convention back east. NX has a commercial version and a free version, not sure of the details right now, but it is supposed to be as good as MS RDP or better over low bandwidth links. They claim a graphical terminal session is quite useable over dialup. Now, getting your terminals to boot from a remote K12LTSP server is a different topic, but it should work fine with a locally installed NX capable client. Can anyone on the list give us a status on NX support? Hope this helps, Sean Harbour Network Engineer Northwest Regional Education Service District 5825 NE Ray Circle, Hillsboro, OR 97124 503-614-1448 > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:20:13 -0400 > From: "Rondall Stewart" > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] K12LTSP across the Wan > To: , "Support list for opensource software in > schools." > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The WAN are connected with full T1 1.5M Point to Points. > 4 locations total (1 Lan and 3 Remote Location) Each school has > between 20 to 30 workstations (mostly labs) that would benifit from > this. > The worsations are IBM's which vary in specs, we cut the support > level at a Pentium 166 mhz with 32 Mb ram. The good news is they all > are PXE enabled. > > > Rondall Stewart > Technical Team Leader > ICC Technology Partners > (606)886-8447 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's the line in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc-common that starts out like this [ -x /usr/bin/ssh-agent -a -z "$SSH_AGENT_PID" ] && eval $(/u just put a # in front of it. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 21:06:14 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:06:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't sleep monitors using DPMS In-Reply-To: <20050909165106.GA31904@fpcc.net> References: <20050909165106.GA31904@fpcc.net> Message-ID: On 9/9/05, Calvin Dodge wrote: > There appear to be two problems - I'd like to see if you concur > before I post to the list. > > First, /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg has a typo. There's a > section which (at least, in my copy) reads like this: > > cat <<-EOF > Section "ServerLayout" > Identifier "XFree86 Configured" > Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 > InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" > InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" > InputDevice "Mouse1" "AlwaysCore" > Option "StandbyTime" "${X_DPMS_STANDBYTIME:-0}" > Option "SuspendTime" "${X_DPMS_SUSPENDTIME:-0}" > Option "OffTime" "${X_DPMS_OFFTIME:-0}" > EOF Success! I got it to work !!! I did not change any EOF setting. I changed build_x4_cfg back to what it was originally. Then I just added 2 lines to lts.conf after the XSERVER entry X_DPMS = Y X_DPMS_SUSPENDTIME = 15 Note: When I tried to have both STANDBY and SUSPENDTIME enabled I got a garbled screen after the suspendtime. So I'm only using suspendtime which is what I want anyway. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Sep 10 02:10:50 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 22:10:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Somewhat OT but important for Open Source promoters in the community Message-ID: <4810D39F.33A65E9D.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi, We have been given an opportunity to present to an international forum of communities, next March 2006, Open Source solutions. The basis of the presentation addresses the social-economical advantanges offered as well as the human impact. We are also getting some "political backing" to promote Open Source solutions as an alternative to proprietary systems. The event will be held in British Columbia and we need to have a proposal drafted by Sept 15 !!!! I am therefore asking for any and all help, input, ideas, background studies, etc that would help support this initiative. We want to present a solid case for the adoption of Open Source solutions, specifically K12LTSP & LTSP, as a means of reducing costs, improving ROI while providing a better computing and work environment. Thanks to all those that are willing to help norbert CEO XTlabs (www.xtlabs.org) Interim director reboot montreal (www.rebootmontreal.ca) __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From accessys at smart.net Sat Sep 10 02:38:23 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 22:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Somewhat OT but important for Open Source promoters in the community In-Reply-To: <4810D39F.33A65E9D.0092C281@netscape.net> References: <4810D39F.33A65E9D.0092C281@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: make sure you have your adaptive sections taken care of, Canada like the USA has a disability discrimination laws. especially the Blind, they are threatening to stop linux unless it is accessible... info at http://leb.net/blinux/ Bob > Hi, > > We have been given an opportunity to present to an international forum of communities, next March 2006, Open Source solutions. The basis of the presentation addresses the social-economical advantanges offered as well as the human impact. We are also getting some "political backing" to promote Open Source solutions as an alternative to proprietary systems. > The event will be held in British Columbia and we need to have a proposal drafted by Sept 15 !!!! > I am therefore asking for any and all help, input, ideas, background studies, etc that would help support this initiative. > We want to present a solid case for the adoption of Open Source solutions, specifically K12LTSP & LTSP, as a means of reducing costs, improving ROI while providing a better computing and work environment. > > Thanks to all those that are willing to help > > norbert > CEO XTlabs (www.xtlabs.org) > Interim director reboot montreal (www.rebootmontreal.ca) > > __________________________________________________________________ > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. > As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register > > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > New! 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sat Sep 10 03:15:22 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 23:15:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Some "community friendly" presentation ideas Message-ID: <43224FCA.6030004@inlandlakes.org> I'm presenting "Linux" to our local community and school board members on Monday. It was going to be a small presentation to show our board what Linux was, but now it's in the local paper, and I expect quite a crowd. I don't have a lab of thin clients, so I'll be booting a lab of iMacs to a server. It'll be a fresh install of 4.4.1 set up just for the session. Any thing you suggest for some real "eye openers" that might get oohs and aaahs? Thanks for any advice. I'm not used to presenting to non-geeks, normally I talk about Linux to a crowd of techies... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From ssanders at coin.org Sat Sep 10 04:33:11 2005 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 23:33:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] wireless_ltsp. it works. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1126326791.12816.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> i had been interested in this for some time. i have an old laptop with no HD, (Gateway solo, 300mhz/128meg) that is a little light on ram for Knoppix (for KDE anyway, fluxbox is better). Damn Small Linux works quite well on it, and i have been able to run VNC to my home/test LTSP server and login as a regular LTSP user via wireless. the problem was that the VNC window had lower res, wasn't quite big enough, and had to scroll. the readme for the wireless_ltsp says that it was developed around an Orinoco/Lucent Silver card... hmm, i happen to have one of those. the instructions were quite straightforward, once you are in the extracted dir, dd if=floppy.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=10240 produces a boot floppy. as per the readme, i edited wireless.cfg and put my AP's ESSID, channel and WEP key (my AP will do WPA, but this old card will not). the AP is Lynksys WRT54g (a nice candidate for reflashing with the OpenWRT project and running upgraded linux on, itself), but the old Orinoco/Lucent will only do B (which is limited to 11mbit/sec). it came right up, although it took longer than i am used to in the wired clients. it took awhile at the line Using config file: "/tmp/XF86Config.1" while booting. i could see the card's activity light was humming away, it came up to the normal X login screen. the USB mouse that usually is detected in most Knoppix variants does not work, but touchpad is OK. it works well, and the 1024 x 768 is nice for the laptop LCD, and no scrolling. screen redraws are quite a bit slower and a lot of wifi LTSP clients might be problematic, but it seems to be very usable on one. if you're getting NFS swap errors, you might check /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and see if default is USE_NFS_SWAP=Y. if it is on (and you need it) you might make an entry for the laptop based on the MAC and turn it off for the laptop. since the README only mentions Orinoco/Lucent Silver (same as Gold, but with lower encryption) and is a couple of years old, that means that the chipset of the cards is Hermes I. you can buy Orinoco Gold Classic cards all day long on Ebay now, but the newer ones are made by Proxim and are Hermes II chipset. i seriously doubt that it would work (Hermes I and II are widely not clones in other applications). for a quick test, i stuck in an SMC 2532W-B card i have here, a nice Prism chipset card that is widely supported in Linux. it identifies the card correctly, but dhclient fails with Kernel Panic (not talking over the wifi, it won't get an IP). since most things Linux care more about chipset than manufacturer, i would guess that any Hermes I wifi card might work. in checking, it appears the latest is http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ltsp/wireless_ltsp-3.0.5-i386.tgz? download still several years old, but it worked for me. From les at futuresource.com Sat Sep 10 05:44:56 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:44:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] wireless_ltsp. it works. In-Reply-To: <1126326791.12816.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1126326791.12816.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1126331095.27083.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 23:33, ssanders at coin.org wrote: > i had been interested in this for some time. i have an old laptop with > no HD, (Gateway solo, 300mhz/128meg) that is a little light on ram for > Knoppix (for KDE anyway, fluxbox is better). Damn Small Linux works > quite well on it, and i have been able to run VNC to my home/test LTSP > server and login as a regular LTSP user via wireless. the problem was > that the VNC window had lower res, wasn't quite big enough, and had to > scroll. It is good to hear that wireless ltsp works, but in a pinch you can boot a knoppix CD into text mode with 'knoppix 2' at the boot prompt, then start X manually with: X -query server and get by with much lower resources than running the knoppix desktop locally. This should work with any hardware that knoppix can autodetect - which is a lot. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jam at mcquil.com Sat Sep 10 12:13:29 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 08:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] wireless_ltsp. it works. In-Reply-To: <1126326791.12816.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1126326791.12816.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Wow, that's great to hear somebody still getting use from that old package. I really do want to update the package, it's just a matter of time. For the USB mouse, you should be able to get that to work. You are probably just missing the set of kernel modules that match that kernel. I don't remember which LTSP kernel package included those, but it should still be on the download page. Grab that kernel package, and drop the modules into /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules, and you should be good to go. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 ssanders at coin.org wrote: > i had been interested in this for some time. i have an old laptop with > no HD, (Gateway solo, 300mhz/128meg) that is a little light on ram for > Knoppix (for KDE anyway, fluxbox is better). Damn Small Linux works > quite well on it, and i have been able to run VNC to my home/test LTSP > server and login as a regular LTSP user via wireless. the problem was > that the VNC window had lower res, wasn't quite big enough, and had to > scroll. > > the readme for the wireless_ltsp says that it was developed around an > Orinoco/Lucent Silver card... hmm, i happen to have one of those. the > instructions were quite straightforward, once you are in the extracted > dir, dd if=floppy.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=10240 produces a boot floppy. > > as per the readme, i edited wireless.cfg and put my AP's ESSID, channel > and WEP key (my AP will do WPA, but this old card will not). the AP is > Lynksys WRT54g (a nice candidate for reflashing with the OpenWRT project > and running upgraded linux on, itself), but the old Orinoco/Lucent will > only do B (which is limited to 11mbit/sec). > > it came right up, although it took longer than i am used to in the wired > clients. it took awhile at the line Using config file: > "/tmp/XF86Config.1" while booting. i could see the card's activity light > was humming away, it came up to the normal X login screen. the USB mouse > that usually is detected in most Knoppix variants does not work, but > touchpad is OK. it works well, and the 1024 x 768 is nice for the laptop > LCD, and no scrolling. screen redraws are quite a bit slower and a lot > of wifi LTSP clients might be problematic, but it seems to be very > usable on one. > > if you're getting NFS swap errors, you might > check /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and see if default is USE_NFS_SWAP=Y. > if it is on (and you need it) you might make an entry for the laptop > based on the MAC and turn it off for the laptop. > > since the README only mentions Orinoco/Lucent Silver (same as Gold, but > with lower encryption) and is a couple of years old, that means that > the chipset of the cards is Hermes I. you can buy Orinoco Gold Classic > cards all day long on Ebay now, but the newer ones are made by Proxim > and are Hermes II chipset. i seriously doubt that it would work (Hermes > I and II are widely not clones in other applications). for a quick test, > i stuck in an SMC 2532W-B card i have here, a nice Prism chipset card > that is widely supported in Linux. it identifies the card correctly, but > dhclient fails with Kernel Panic (not talking over the wifi, it won't > get an IP). since most things Linux care more about chipset than > manufacturer, i would guess that any Hermes I wifi card might work. > > in checking, it appears the latest is > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ltsp/wireless_ltsp-3.0.5-i386.tgz? > download still several years old, but it worked for me. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lists at misato.us Sat Sep 10 15:14:59 2005 From: lists at misato.us (Jason Straw) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:14:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Some "community friendly" presentation ideas In-Reply-To: <43224FCA.6030004@inlandlakes.org> References: <43224FCA.6030004@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4322F873.4010207@misato.us> Every cool educational Program you can get your hands on for free, Gimp, Firefox, OpenOffice Maybe even their favorite windows educational programs running under wine Basically you want to show then that for the price of hardware you get everything you had in windows and then a bunch more. Jason Shawn Powers wrote: > I'm presenting "Linux" to our local community and school board members > on Monday. It was going to be a small presentation to show our board > what Linux was, but now it's in the local paper, and I expect quite a > crowd. > > I don't have a lab of thin clients, so I'll be booting a lab of iMacs > to a server. It'll be a fresh install of 4.4.1 set up just for the > session. Any thing you suggest for some real "eye openers" that might > get oohs and aaahs? > > Thanks for any advice. I'm not used to presenting to non-geeks, > normally I talk about Linux to a crowd of techies... > > -Shawn From mpribik at zoznam.sk Sat Sep 10 18:02:23 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:02:23 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] /usr/bin/ssh-agent -s References: <20050909133528.B04AE730E2@hormel.redhat.com><4321A4B3.2000108@law.uvic.ca> <000601c5b563$bf2e4ec0$0100a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: <000401c5b631$cc133230$6a878755@Marian> OK. I found it. Thank you. Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Arkiletian" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] /usr/bin/ssh-agent -s > On 9/9/05, M.Pribik wrote: > > could you write or copy precisely what line is it and how does it look like? > > Thank you, Marian. > > It's the line in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc-common that starts out like this > > [ -x /usr/bin/ssh-agent -a -z "$SSH_AGENT_PID" ] && eval $(/u > > just put a # in front of it. > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ssanders at coin.org Sat Sep 10 17:07:01 2005 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:07:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] wireless_ltsp. it works. In-Reply-To: <1126331095.27083.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1126326791.12816.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1126331095.27083.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1126372021.16811.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> wow Les, that's great! i couldn't get it to work with Damn Small Linux, it wanted a parameter i didn't give it (scrolled up beyond screen and couldn't see). since DSL is so very minimal, i couldn't cat /var/log/messages because messages is 0 bytes. i tried it with Knoppix 3.7 and it worked great. it picked up my USB mouse, also. here's what i did, for those not familiar with Knoppix. press F2 at splash, knoppix 2 you'll boot to a shell netcardconfig get your wifi card working. i entered a valid 192.168.0.x address, set gateway and dns to 192.168.0.254, left everything else default. netcardconfig will then take you to the wireless part, i entered my ESSID, channel and WEP key, left everything else default. you should be able to ping the server from command line now. X -query 192.168.0.254 and it came right up, and with USB mouse! comments: DSL at runlevel 2 shows using only 29 meg of RAM, it can allegedly run a blackbox GUI on a 486 with 16 meg of RAM! you would probably need more than that for LTSP display, but this would be great for many old junkers to potentially be used. Knoppix 3.7 shows 49 meg used, still pretty light. but as Les mentioned, Knoppix works with a tremendous variety of hardware. where the official wireless_ltsp is intended for Lucent/Orinoco/Hermes I only, i can now use the SMC card, which is 200mw compared to my old Hermes I card's 30 mw. greatly increases it's sphere of influence. where the wireless_ltsp is a very easy 'just boot the floppy' situation, the Knoppix way means you have to do a little manual configuring. not a problem, but not always the most convenient. on all Knoppix variants you can save your configuration/home directory to any media, HD/USB key/floppy. i don't know how to save config from runlevel 2 (i've always done it from X), but you can retrieve it upon bootup with knoppix myconfig=/dev/sda1 (for USB key, for example). i have to leave now, i'll play with it later. probably if you save the netconfig while the GUI is running, you can load it while booting to runlevel 2 later. Jim, i saw in your comments from a couple of years ago, that the kernel had outgrown a floppy, which would be a problem for wireless_ltsp. now that it's a couple of years later, perhaps most junk laptops will usually have a CD now, and putting the more current boot image on a CD would be more viable now. From ssanders at coin.org Sat Sep 10 17:10:05 2005 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:10:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] wireless_ltsp. it works. In-Reply-To: <1126372021.16811.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1126326791.12816.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1126331095.27083.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1126372021.16811.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1126372205.16811.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-09-10 at 12:07 -0500, ssanders at coin.org wrote: > > press F2 at splash, knoppix 2 you'll boot to a shell > oops... and of course this should have been 'press F2, type knoppix 2 From bill.bardon at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 17:58:26 2005 From: bill.bardon at gmail.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:58:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Some "community friendly" presentation ideas In-Reply-To: <43224FCA.6030004@inlandlakes.org> References: <43224FCA.6030004@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <20050910125826.4bcd8413@localhost.localdomain> On Friday, Sep 09 Shawn Powers wrote: > Thanks for any advice. I'm not used to presenting to non-geeks, > normally I talk about Linux to a crowd of techies... What people will come away with will be in two parts: a few simple facts they can remember, and an emotional response to what they saw. (Most wouldn't like to admit to this second part, but it's human nature.) Second part first: have at least one of the iMacs already booted up when people come in, and running as many apps as it can handle gracefully. Motion and color evoke the strongest response, so get some flashy things on screen, including a looping video if possible. All this glitz is not to manipulate the audience, just to convince them that Linux is not the command-line black screen they may have thought. Now as to the first part, the few simple facts: freeDOM, security, compatibility. Emphasize the free-LIBRE aspect of open source over the dollars. Dollars can be dealt with, (Microsoft can give away free browsers and take over a market) but freeDOM is more important. Yes, Linux is free, but people will argue TCO six ways to Sunday. The inarguable advantage of open source is that you can use it wherever YOU want, however you want, as often as you want, for as long as you want. It's the technology that enables you to equip a school lab for only the cost of used hardware. It's the software that parents and students can install for free on their home computers as well (OpenOffice, Firefox, GIMP) and pass on to their friends. Second fact: It wouldn't hurt to mention that, because Linux (and BSD and Mac OS X) were designed from the ground up to be multi-user, networkable OSes, they are invulnerable to viruses and spyware. This is a factor conspicuously absent from most TCO studies, and a real hot button with Windows users. They are sick of fighting the malware. Third fact: Linux is compatible. It works, thanks to OOo and others, with most Microsoft formats quite well. Take-away facts to remember: freeDOM, security, compatibility. FreeDOM, security, compatibility; freeDOM, security, compatibility. Drum those three facts all day long, and your audience will have a good idea of why Linux is a great idea. You probably knew all this already, but I hope some part of it helps you with your presentation, Shawn! Relax and have fun, you -know- you've got something good to show them. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From les at futuresource.com Sat Sep 10 18:32:39 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 13:32:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] wireless_ltsp. it works. In-Reply-To: <1126372021.16811.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1126326791.12816.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1126331095.27083.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1126372021.16811.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1126377158.28683.73.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-09-10 at 12:07, ssanders at coin.org wrote: > where the wireless_ltsp is a very easy 'just boot the floppy' situation, > the Knoppix way means you have to do a little manual configuring. not a > problem, but not always the most convenient. on all Knoppix variants you > can save your configuration/home directory to any media, HD/USB > key/floppy. i don't know how to save config from runlevel 2 (i've always > done it from X), but you can retrieve it upon bootup with knoppix > myconfig=/dev/sda1 (for USB key, for example). I've mentioned this before - and I'm still too lazy to do it myself because I don't mind typing the commands when I need them - but it should not be difficult at all to rebuild a knoppix image that would 'just work' with k12ltsp. You should be able to use the literal name 'server' in the X -query server startup command and if you modify your server setup to use other IP addresses, all you have to do is put the 'server' name in dns to match. The only complication would be installations on flat networks with more than one server as people are starting to do with fancy dhcp setups. Even there you could pick one to call 'server' or hand out different default dns domains so they could each be 'server' in their matching domain. There is way more than you need on the knoppix CD but the price is right and it will boot just about anything. It might be a partial solution for the people needing low bandwith access too if it can be made to come up running the NX client. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Sun Sep 11 03:09:45 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:09:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Some "community friendly" presentation ideas In-Reply-To: <20050910125826.4bcd8413@localhost.localdomain> References: <43224FCA.6030004@inlandlakes.org> <20050910125826.4bcd8413@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1126408185.5116.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-09-10 at 12:58 -0500, Bill Bardon wrote: > Second fact: It wouldn't hurt to mention that, because Linux (and BSD > and Mac OS X) were designed from the ground up to be multi-user, > networkable OSes, they are invulnerable to viruses and spyware. This is > a factor conspicuously absent from most TCO studies, and a real hot > button with Windows users. They are sick of fighting the malware. s/invulnerable/less susceptible/ Linux and open source stand well on their own merits. No need to gild the proverbial lily. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From bill.bardon at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 20:46:50 2005 From: bill.bardon at gmail.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:46:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Some "community friendly" presentation ideas In-Reply-To: <1126408185.5116.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43224FCA.6030004@inlandlakes.org> <20050910125826.4bcd8413@localhost.localdomain> <1126408185.5116.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050910154650.078f8871@localhost.localdomain> On Saturday, Sep 10 Dan Young wrote: > s/invulnerable/less susceptible/ > > Linux and open source stand well on their own merits. No need to gild > the proverbial lily. Hmm... is there a virus or spyware program for Linux or Mac OS X in the wild right now? Talk hypothetically if you want, but in reality malware doesn't propagate on Linux or Mac due to the separation of the OS and user space. Without a successful method of propagation, it's only laboratory science at this point. "Less susceptible", as in, 100,000 viruses in the wild for Windows vs. 0 for Linux? The "less susceptible" terminology tends to support those who say Windows is only attacked because of its market share, and that if Linux were more common, it would have just as many viruses. This is false. Rather than choosing either of our comparative terms, how about we just say Linux "doesn't get" viruses or spyware? 'Cause it sure hasn't on any of the systems I've run in the last eight years! :-) -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From les at futuresource.com Sat Sep 10 21:13:01 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:13:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Some "community friendly" presentation ideas In-Reply-To: <20050910154650.078f8871@localhost.localdomain> References: <43224FCA.6030004@inlandlakes.org> <20050910125826.4bcd8413@localhost.localdomain> <1126408185.5116.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050910154650.078f8871@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1126386780.29176.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-09-10 at 15:46, Bill Bardon wrote: > "Less susceptible", as in, 100,000 viruses in the wild for Windows vs. 0 > for Linux? The "less susceptible" terminology tends to support those who > say Windows is only attacked because of its market share, and that if > Linux were more common, it would have just as many viruses. This is > false. > > Rather than choosing either of our comparative terms, how about we just > say Linux "doesn't get" viruses or spyware? 'Cause it sure hasn't on > any of the systems I've run in the last eight years! :-) There are "vunerablilities" with various windows between when exploits are developed and the updates that fix them. If you put an 8 year old Linux system on the internet now with no updates it would probably have a breakin within a few days. If you are current with updates you are probably safe, although you'll see constant attempts to log in via ssh that require good passwords to resist. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Sun Sep 11 04:39:02 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:39:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Some "community friendly" presentation ideas In-Reply-To: <20050910154650.078f8871@localhost.localdomain> References: <43224FCA.6030004@inlandlakes.org> <20050910125826.4bcd8413@localhost.localdomain> <1126408185.5116.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050910154650.078f8871@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1126413542.6002.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-09-10 at 15:46 -0500, Bill Bardon wrote: > Hmm... is there a virus or spyware program for Linux or Mac OS X in the > wild right now? Not my point. You said "invulnerable," which is a misleading, peremptory phrase at best. > Talk hypothetically if you want, but in reality malware doesn't > propagate on Linux or Mac due to the separation of the OS and user > space. Without a successful method of propagation, it's only laboratory > science at this point. A non-trivial amount of malware consists of web browser exploits. There's an IDN exploit out for Firefox right now which allows arbitrary code execution. Have you patched it yet? http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=7307 OK, so it couldn't delete /usr/bin, but it could wreck my home directory. I care about my data a heck of a lot more than my binaries. > "Less susceptible", as in, 100,000 viruses in the wild for Windows vs. 0 > for Linux? The "less susceptible" terminology tends to support those who > say Windows is only attacked because of its market share, and that if > Linux were more common, it would have just as many viruses. This is > false. All I'm saying is that people being "sold" on Open Source will be justifiably skeptical of superlatives such as "invulnerable". Talking to them like you respect their intelligence is a good idea. > Rather than choosing either of our comparative terms, how about we just > say Linux "doesn't get" viruses or spyware? How about "hasn't gotten many". > 'Cause it sure hasn't on > any of the systems I've run in the last eight years! :-) The plural of anecdote is not data. Cheers! -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Sat Sep 10 21:54:30 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 14:54:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Some "community friendly" presentation ideas In-Reply-To: <1126413542.6002.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43224FCA.6030004@inlandlakes.org> <20050910125826.4bcd8413@localhost.localdomain> <1126408185.5116.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050910154650.078f8871@localhost.localdomain> <1126413542.6002.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1126389271.7069.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-09-10 at 21:39 -0700, Dan Young wrote: > On Sat, 2005-09-10 at 15:46 -0500, Bill Bardon wrote: > > Hmm... is there a virus or spyware program for Linux or Mac OS X in the > > wild right now? > > Not my point. You said "invulnerable," which is a misleading, peremptory > phrase at best. Sorry about the goofy date on my posts. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sat Sep 10 22:10:25 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:10:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Some "community friendly" presentation ideas In-Reply-To: <1126389271.7069.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43224FCA.6030004@inlandlakes.org> <20050910125826.4bcd8413@localhost.localdomain> <1126408185.5116.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050910154650.078f8871@localhost.localdomain> <1126413542.6002.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1126389271.7069.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <432359D1.4020108@inlandlakes.org> Dan Young wrote: > Sorry about the goofy date on my posts. It's only 6PM here -- I haven't gotten them yet (another 5-6 hours...) ;o) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Sep 10 22:20:20 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox/Mozilla patches, Was: Some "community friendly" presentation ideas In-Reply-To: <1126413542.6002.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43224FCA.6030004@inlandlakes.org> <20050910125826.4bcd8413@localhost.localdomain> <1126408185.5116.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050910154650.078f8871@localhost.localdomain> <1126413542.6002.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Sep 2005, Dan Young wrote: > There's an IDN exploit out for Firefox right now which allows arbitrary > code execution. Have you patched it yet? > http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=7307 FYI, updated Firefox & Mozilla packages for K12LTSP 4.2.1, 4.2.1EL, and 4.4.1 were added to the repositories this morning. -Eric From bill.bardon at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 22:57:12 2005 From: bill.bardon at gmail.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:57:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Some "community friendly" presentation ideas In-Reply-To: <1126386780.29176.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <43224FCA.6030004@inlandlakes.org> <20050910125826.4bcd8413@localhost.localdomain> <1126408185.5116.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050910154650.078f8871@localhost.localdomain> <1126386780.29176.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20050910175712.18bd2cb8@localhost.localdomain> On Saturday, Sep 10 Les Mikesell wrote: > There are "vunerablilities" with various windows between when > exploits are developed and the updates that fix them. If you > put an 8 year old Linux system on the internet now with no > updates it would probably have a breakin within a few days. On Saturday, Sep 10 Dan Young wrote: > A non-trivial amount of malware consists of web browser exploits. > There's an IDN exploit out for Firefox right now which allows > arbitrary code execution. Have you patched it yet? > http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=7307 You're both right, in that there are exploits of various kinds out there. I was talking specifically about viruses and spyware, which need a means of propagation in order to spread from computer to computer. As far as I know, there are no viruses in the wild for Linux. In practice, and bringing this back to Shawn's presentation, the facts are that you -do- need to run anti-virus/spyware software on Windows, and you -don't- on Linux. > The plural of anecdote is not data. Cheers! Anecdotal evidence is as good as none, I agree. So, does anyone have links to reports of Linux viruses? (NOT exploits in general.) I'm interested in old or new info. I've done some googling this afternoon, and would like to find more information about the history and current state of Linux viruses. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Sep 11 02:41:03 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:41:03 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Some "community friendly" presentation ideas Message-ID: <200509110454.j8B4sE317762@downeast.net> there was the ramen proof of concept long a go..and one other mentioned in hacking linux exposed..the big pain in the a** are the script kiddie exploits with trivial usernme/pasword exploits..chuck > On Saturday, Sep 10 Les Mikesell wrote: > > There are "vunerablilities" with various windows between when > > exploits are developed and the updates that fix them. If you > > put an 8 year old Linux system on the internet now with no > > updates it would probably have a breakin within a few days. > > On Saturday, Sep 10 Dan Young wrote: > > A non-trivial amount of malware consists of web browser exploits. > > There's an IDN exploit out for Firefox right now which allows > > arbitrary code execution. Have you patched it yet? > > http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=7307 > > You're both right, in that there are exploits of various kinds out > there. I was talking specifically about viruses and spyware, which need > a means of propagation in order to spread from computer to computer. As > far as I know, there are no viruses in the wild for Linux. > > In practice, and bringing this back to Shawn's presentation, the facts > are that you -do- need to run anti-virus/spyware software on Windows, > and you -don't- on Linux. > > > The plural of anecdote is not data. Cheers! > > Anecdotal evidence is as good as none, I agree. So, does anyone have > links to reports of Linux viruses? (NOT exploits in general.) I'm > interested in old or new info. I've done some googling this afternoon, > and would like to find more information about the history and current > state of Linux viruses. > > > -- > Bill Bardon > COMPUTASSIST > Omaha, Nebraska > http://www.computassist.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Sep 11 06:04:53 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:04:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Screensaver lock in K12LTSP 4.41 Message-ID: Ok....how do I disable or at least lengthen the time before the screensaver kicks in and thus locks the desktop in 4.41? It's a good concept, but the time is too short....if I am talking to my class about something and it's more than "x" minutes....then the screens will go blank and lock....thus requiring a password to get back in....this is especially annoying with younger kids who take a long time to log in since they don't know how to spell....or type. Any help? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sun Sep 11 06:27:43 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:27:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Screensaver lock in K12LTSP 4.41 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4323CE5F.4010902@stmarys-school.org> David Trask wrote: > Ok....how do I disable or at least lengthen the time before the > screensaver kicks in and thus locks the desktop in 4.41? It's a good > concept, but the time is too short....if I am talking to my class about > something and it's more than "x" minutes....then the screens will go blank > and lock....thus requiring a password to get back in....this is especially > annoying with younger kids who take a long time to log in since they don't > know how to spell....or type. Any help? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > You can disable the screen saver in preferences. From wescott at sc.rr.com Mon Sep 12 00:48:46 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:48:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] cron job how to In-Reply-To: References: <4321043D.1020308@stmaurice.mb.ca> Message-ID: <1126486126.21736.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 06:35 -0500, Burke Almquist wrote: > You could also setuid the folder so that items within it would be > owned by the teacher. I couldn't get that to work. Such behavior has been mooted for the setuid bit on directories but it is not the behavior for k12ltsp-4.2.1 that I just installed. From wescott at sc.rr.com Mon Sep 12 01:46:12 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:46:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] cron job how to In-Reply-To: <4321043D.1020308@stmaurice.mb.ca> References: <4321043D.1020308@stmaurice.mb.ca> Message-ID: <1126489572.21736.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-09-08 at 22:40 -0500, Liam Marshall wrote: > I have a "homework folder" for each computer class where the owner is > the teacher of the class, the group is the group associated with that > class. owner has read write execute, group has write and execute. So > effectively, they can drag/drop off their assignments into this folder, > and after they close the window, can't access their own file, > effectively "handing in" their assignment. > > I was quite pleased with myself until I went into one of my own class > homework folders. I can see all the files( this is good) but cannot > open any! This kind of setup isn't as nice as you might like. Consider the scenario where two students each call their file "homework3.doc". The student that submits last will either overwrite the first student's file or will not be allowed to submit his work for reasons not readily apparent to a student (i.e. "permission denied"). A malicious student could still, knowing or guessing the file name, delete another's file as well. Consider, instead, something like this: each teacher has a directory for each class and a subdirectory therein for each student. The student's (sub)directory would be owned by the student. Submission would be done by dropping the file(s) into the correct directory which could very well be a symlink in the student's home directory. A simple script could then periodically chgrp/chmod every file so that the teacher can read and write it or even move the files elsewhere as well (final submission). This gives each student complete freedom of choice for filenames as well as control over the contents of his submission right up until the time it is collected without the danger of it being overwritten or deleted by another student. From mll at mtwp.net Mon Sep 12 11:44:10 2005 From: mll at mtwp.net (Mike Lichtenwalner) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 07:44:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Screensaver lock in K12LTSP 4.41 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43256A0A.3090308@mtwp.net> David Trask wrote: > Ok....how do I disable or at least lengthen the time before the > screensaver kicks in and thus locks the desktop in 4.41? Hi David, I just tried this method posted by Eric a couple weeks ago. It seems to be working. Turn off screen saver locking: Edit: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver and change the "*lock:" and "*lockVTs:" entries from: *lock: True *lockVTs: False to: *lock: False *lockVTs: True See ya! Mike _________________________________ Mike Lichtenwalner Technology Specialist Manheim Township School District Lancaster, PA From ramonklown at pop.com.br Mon Sep 12 11:49:20 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 08:49:20 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP across the Wan - NX status? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10086.200.222.204.120.1126525760.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> You don't even need to buy a license, you can get the server software for free. do a: $ yum install nx freenx There you have it, now you need to put the server encryption into the client access side and your set. Just remember to open up port 1000. Peace > Thanks, I will attack it from the NX angle and post my results. > > Rondall Stewart > Technical Team Leader > ICC Technology Partners > (606)886-8447 > > ________________________________ > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Eric Brown > Sent: Fri 9/9/2005 2:47 PM > To: sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us; 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP across the Wan - NX status? > > > > I would like to second Sean's pitch for No Machine NX. The speed is > incredibly fast. Our district has a rather sluggish T-1 connection, but I > was able to connect to my Gnome desktop on my webserver just as fast as I > was sitting there. I've used VNC also, but No Machine NX was truly the > better product. It's so good, I'm even planning on purchasing a few > licenses (rather than search for an open source alternative). It will even > run over SSH, which is more secure, and makes for fewer ports you must have > open. > Eric Brown > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Sean Harbour > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 1:32 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12LTSP across the Wan - NX status? > > The No Machine NX protocol is supposed to be the ideal solution for your > application, that is, thin client access to a terminal server over a slow > WAN link. A quick google confirms that there are people working on this for > K12LTSP http://www.mailbucket.org/rss_k12osn-506780.html and if memory > serves, this was a hot topic at the last K12LTSP convention back east. NX > has a commercial version and a free version, not sure of the details right > now, but it is supposed to be as good as MS RDP or better over low bandwidth > links. They claim a graphical terminal session is quite useable over dialup. > Now, getting your terminals to boot from a remote K12LTSP server is a > different topic, but it should work fine with a locally installed NX capable > client. > > Can anyone on the list give us a status on NX support? > > Hope this helps, > > Sean Harbour > Network Engineer > Northwest Regional Education Service District > 5825 NE Ray Circle, Hillsboro, OR 97124 > 503-614-1448 > >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:20:13 -0400 >> From: "Rondall Stewart" >> Subject: RE: [K12OSN] K12LTSP across the Wan >> To: , "Support list for opensource software in >> schools." >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> The WAN are connected with full T1 1.5M Point to Points. >> 4 locations total (1 Lan and 3 Remote Location) Each school has >> between 20 to 30 workstations (mostly labs) that would benifit from >> this. >> The worsations are IBM's which vary in specs, we cut the support >> level at a Pentium 166 mhz with 32 Mb ram. The good news is they all >> are PXE enabled. >> >> >> Rondall Stewart >> Technical Team Leader >> ICC Technology Partners >> (606)886-8447 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lighthumor at hotmail.com Mon Sep 12 12:04:32 2005 From: lighthumor at hotmail.com (light being) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 08:04:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash+LTSP = crashes? gdm_slave_xioerror_handler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Seems like the problem might be fixed, I havent had reports of freezes lately. What I did was: 1-update all packages with synaptic 2-reduce the colors to 8-bit, or 256 colors, on the terminals. Put one at 16-bit for testing purposes - which seemed to continue crashing more than the others. 3-turned on NFS memory swapping. 1 and 2 reduced the problem from several terminal crashes a day to a couple. the NFS swap seems to have stopped it. I will be increasing terminals to 16 bit colors now, lets see if it doesnt return. My terminals have 32mb RAM, old ibm 300gl celeron 333mhz. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Sep 12 12:23:25 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 07:23:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP across the Wan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In my experience, X forwarding is much slower than VNC. I use VNC instead over the WAN. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 9 Sep 2005, Rondall Stewart wrote: > That is pretty much the consensus. However, I am talking about 30+ at a time. I am afraid I am going to place a Level 2 server at each location. Only 4 weeks into my Linux experience, I am learning as I go. I have read about enabling X forwarding through a SSH login. But I am afraid this will also be to slow for mass connections. > > Rondall Stewart > Technical Team Leader > ICC Technology Partners > (606)886-8447 > > ________________________________ > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Doug Simpson > Sent: Fri 9/9/2005 8:42 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP across the Wan > > > > I wouldn't want to run thin clients across the WAN, however, you can do a > minimal install of Winders or linux and use VNC to connect across the WAN > for reasonable use with a few computers. > > The computers just need at least 800x600 and 32MB of RAM or more. > > Remember this will not support too many at a time or things will get to > where response is slow. > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Thu, 8 Sep 2005, Rondall Stewart wrote: > > > Has anyone been able to get k12ltsp working from across a WAN? A school district with limited funds has approached me with this request. They have point to point T1 between 3 locations and the want to give modern functionality to some of their legacy machines. > > > > > > Rondall Stewart > > Technical Team Leader > > ICC Technology Partners > > (606)886-8447 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From ccraig at safedesksolutions.com Mon Sep 12 13:34:20 2005 From: ccraig at safedesksolutions.com (Curt Craig) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 06:34:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Some "community friendly" presentation ideas In-Reply-To: <43224FCA.6030004@inlandlakes.org> References: <43224FCA.6030004@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <200509120634.20441.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> Shawn, Sounds like a great opportunity! All semantical arguments aside, if presenting to admins, GET THEIR ATTENTION. Have the oldest, ugliest PC/MAC you have available in front with you, hold it up, and open with, "so how many of your districts have store-rooms with a few of these in them? What if I could show you how they can be re-vitalized, and perform as well or better than the PCs/MACS you've been buying for the last 5 years, with only a fraction of the ongoing maintenance required of your new PCs?" (or something along those lines...the visual is powerful...speak to their fear of "now he's asking me to consider MORE technology in addition to everything I've already spent". (then get into some of the suggestions posted to this string) Good Luck! -- Curt Craig SafeDesk Solutions 866-465-8636 509-536-0565 (fax) www.safedesk.com On Friday 09 September 2005 20:15, Shawn Powers wrote: > I'm presenting "Linux" to our local community and school board members > on Monday. It was going to be a small presentation to show our board > what Linux was, but now it's in the local paper, and I expect quite a > crowd. > > I don't have a lab of thin clients, so I'll be booting a lab of iMacs to > a server. It'll be a fresh install of 4.4.1 set up just for the > session. Any thing you suggest for some real "eye openers" that might > get oohs and aaahs? > > Thanks for any advice. I'm not used to presenting to non-geeks, > normally I talk about Linux to a crowd of techies... > > -Shawn From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Mon Sep 12 13:43:12 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 07:43:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using a terminal as a Jetdirect device Message-ID: <209afba209fb39.209fb39209afba@texas.rr.com> I am using FC4.4 with 2.4.26-ltsp-3. After some suggested testing it appears that lp_server is not running. When I ran ps -elf from a bash prompt on the terminal that has the printer lp_server was not in the list. I tried getltscfg PRINTER_0_DEVICE and got no response I tried getltscfg PRINTER_0_TYPE and got no response. I also tried this with _1_ based on the suggestion that there is or was an identification problem. How do I determine if lp_server is running or not and if it isn't how do I get it started? Thanks Pat From jam at mcquil.com Mon Sep 12 13:50:29 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Using a terminal as a Jetdirect device In-Reply-To: <209afba209fb39.209fb39209afba@texas.rr.com> References: <209afba209fb39.209fb39209afba@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > I am using FC4.4 with 2.4.26-ltsp-3. > After some suggested testing it appears that lp_server is not running. > When I ran ps -elf from a bash prompt on the terminal that has the > printer lp_server was not in the list. > I tried getltscfg PRINTER_0_DEVICE and got no response > I tried getltscfg PRINTER_0_TYPE and got no response. I also tried this > with _1_ based on the suggestion that there is or was an identification > problem. Maybe the terminal doesn't know its own hostname. Which means that getltscfg won't know which section of the lts.conf file to look at. It will only get the [Default] entries. If you are using dynamic addresses from a pool of addresses, then the client won't get a hostname. if you are doing static entries in dhcpd.conf, then the client should get a hostname. make sure you have the line 'use-host-decl-names on' in the dhcpd.conf file. Also, in the lts.conf file, you can use MAC addresses for the names of the sections, instead of hostnames. Take a look at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf for more info. > > How do I determine if lp_server is running or not and if it isn't how do > I get it started? on the client, at a bash prompt, type: ps see what processes are running. there shouldn't be very many. See if lp_server is one of them. If you still can't get it working after all this, then send me a copy of your lts.conf file, and your dhcpd.conf file. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Sep 12 14:30:51 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:30:51 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] slapd conf settings Message-ID: <4325911B.3050108@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> I'm running Samba3 / OpenLDAP on a FC3 machine installed with the K12 smbldap-installer script. Everything seems to be working OK except every now and then things slow to a crawl and other samba server can't authenticate against it, timing out after 1000ms. I've looked through the slapd.conf file and one of the things that I've noticed is that there isn't any cache setup in the file. I've read at serveral places that this is quite important, directives I was looking at are slapd.conf cachesize 10000 dbcachesize 1000000 Also there is no loglevel set so I think it's defaulting to 256 is this bad ?? I'm just trying to get things upto speed as we've only been running less than a week with students and things a slowing down. Any idea's on how to speed things up will be gratefully received. Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Sep 12 15:30:20 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:30:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PPC Slight Panic (human panic) Message-ID: <40E4DEEA-60F2-4B75-A96D-C7401AEB7968@inlandlakes.org> I'm doing a presentation tonight, and I was just testing the speed of my thin client iMacs. Unfortunately, games that require GLX simply do not start (celestia, childsplay) -- I tried adding: X4_MODULE_01 = glx to the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf under the default section, but that did not help me at all. Anyone have any 9th inning suggestions for me? Those glx games/ programs really are impressive, especially to community members... Thanks, -Shawn From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Mon Sep 12 14:52:17 2005 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:52:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] French canadian keyboard layout Message-ID: Greetings everyone, I'm having problems getting K12LTSP V3.11 (XFree86) to switch keyboard to French canadian. I got the language setting switched easly but none of the menu tools seem to want to swith the keyboard. I even got dual keyboards enabled on the KDE desktop for US and CA but both gives me the us keyboard layout only. I also tried changing in lts.conf these lines: XkbLayout "fr_CA,us" XKbOptions "grp:alt_shift_toggle" but no luck. Any ideas? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 12 16:17:56 2005 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Top post Message-ID: <20050912161756.2186.qmail@web52010.mail.yahoo.com> Would you tell me how to answer a post from the listserve. Thank you, Jennifer __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Sep 12 16:43:36 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:43:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Top post In-Reply-To: <20050912161756.2186.qmail@web52010.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050912161756.2186.qmail@web52010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4325B038.5030808@cmosnetworks.com> Jennifer Waters wrote: >Would you tell me how to answer a post from the >listserve. > >Thank you, > >Jennifer > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Like this. :-) Or did you have something else in mind? --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Mon Sep 12 16:58:55 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050912165856.89307.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> I suspected as much from other nations. But kudos to South Africa for being the nation that brought forth Ubuntu! Thanks to the Shuttlesworth Foundation and everyone involved in this great project. Perhaps Ubuntu developers will put all those "extra" packages into .ISO files for downloading and burning onto CDs or DVDs... For the reasons you mentioned I suppose I will still want to keep my Fedora Core based K12LTSP discs. --- Edward Holcroft wrote: > > On 23 Aug 2005, at 5:08 PM, richard ingalls wrote: > > > I think I'm going to go for it with Ubuntu. I > LOVE > > the idea of only needing ONE CD to install from! > Most > > people in the US (especially schools) already have > a > > DSL or faster connection. (Schools in the US can > get > > very fast internet connections for a very > reasonable > > price due to government money earmarked for this > > purpose). So, downloading the additional packages > > from Ubuntu and other public mirrors strategically > > located across the globe should be no problem. As > for > > other nations... I can't say; I don't know. > > > In South Africa the idea of just one CD makes it > somewhat less useful > than it could be for schools here (A little ironic > considering Ubuntu > has been created by a South African). I like that > K2LTSP ships with > everything and the kitchen sink (although of course > you use just disc > 1 if you want to). The sites where I deploy labs in > rural South > Africa have no Internet at all, not to mention > broadband which only > exists in selected urban areas, so the approach of > downloading the > extra stuff doesn't work. The multi-disc approach of > K12LTSP > addresses this and all I need to do is mail the > latest set of discs > to sites that I have set up so that they can > upgrade. > > ed > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Mon Sep 12 17:15:13 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050912171513.62468.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> Steve: In Fedora... I prefer DansGuardian to SquidGuard, although Eric's squidGuard package DOES update it's blacklists every night (which is a very cool feature). I suppose I could make DG update it's blacklists from the same sources as Eric is using... hmmm. 1. First must get a "yum" install of DG... there is a nice webpage that explains this pretty well: http://fedora.ivazquez.net/content/view/17/25/ 2. The repos.d file may have to be altered slightly to get it to actually connect properly to this repository (can't remember the specifics, but it's NOT difficult). 3. "yum install dansguardian" 4. Next, disable the newly created repository (because I think it's preferrable to only do updates from the K12 "official" repositories). 5. I like Webmin, so I will next get the DansGuardian webmin module. That's about it for Fedora Core... just remember that if you're also running squidGuard, when you make adjustments to DG or sG, you may still have to make those same adjustments to the other app. In Ubuntu... 1. I go to Applications > System Tools > Add/Remove Programs. 2. Select "Advanced" (which takes you to Synaptic) 3. Settings > Repositories 4. Select "Add" 5. Select all the Components (4 boxes) in EACH of the three pulldown choices "Hoary Hedgehog", "Security Updates" and "Updates". 6. After Synaptic updates itself, find dansguardian and install it. 7. Again, I like Webmin, so I will install it at this point also. 8. The Debian/Ubuntu default webmin package is NOT to my liking, so I will go into Webmin and do a manual update from there (NOW it will operate like Webmin on my FC boxes). 9. Don't forget to get the Dansguardian webmin module. 10. You may have to use Webmin to check if squid and DansGuardian are set to start at bootup (and if they're running now). --- Steve Hargadon wrote: > On 8/23/05, richard ingalls > wrote: > > Lastly, squidguard and dansguardian REALLY need to > > work and work well (for the CIPA requirements). > In my > > opinion this is reason enough to stay with Fedora > (if > > it won't work well in Ubuntu). In Fedora, > squidguard > > JUST WORKS! I love it! 8th grade boys hate it! > Ha > > ha! In Fedora I just add the proper repository > for > > yum and I can install dansguardian. It just > works! > > These are the two KILLER APPS for me in FC3. I > pray > > they'll work as well in Ubuntu. > > Richard: > > I'm assuming you are installing these on a separate > machine than your > K12 server, right? > > A really *simple* how-to on this would be great for > the community, as > many struggle with this filtering issue. If you > want to call me, I'd > be glad to type while you talk and we can create it > together. > > Steve > > > -- > Steve Hargadon > 916-899-1400 direct > www.technologyrescue.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Mon Sep 12 17:23:59 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: <1124812099.3192.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20050912172359.15579.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> Yes I LOVE installing via NFS - so fast and easy! HOWEVER, I'm at an organization now that is ALL Windows ALL the time! So I have no place to do an NFS export unless I build another box just for that purpose (which I may do). Since I keep getting errors on my CDs (which I'm sure is MY fault, but I burned several CDs and don't want to waste any more), I want to just use Ubuntu. --- Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 10:08, richard ingalls wrote: > > I think I'm going to go for it with Ubuntu. I > LOVE > > the idea of only needing ONE CD to install from! > > You do know that you really only have to burn the > first > CD or make a USB boot image for k12ltsp > (fedora/RH/centos) > don't you? If you download the iso images to an > NFS exported directory all you have to do is boot > the > first CD with 'linux askmethod', pick NFS as the > install > method, and point it to your NFS location. > > > Lastly, squidguard and dansguardian REALLY need to > > work and work well (for the CIPA requirements). > In my > > opinion this is reason enough to stay with Fedora > (if > > it won't work well in Ubuntu). In Fedora, > squidguard > > JUST WORKS! I love it! > > If someone is looking for a project, something that > would > be a real killer combination would be to make the > new SME > server (based on Centos4) work alongside k12ltsp for > network > server functions (squid/email/web/ftp, etc) and to > provide > home directories because it is so easy to install > and manage. > The tricky part would be getting everything to use > the > same network authentication method. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Sep 12 17:32:19 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 13:32:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: <20050912172359.15579.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050912172359.15579.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4325BBA3.4080808@cmosnetworks.com> Remember that you don't need lots of DRAM or CPU to do that; you just need a halfway-decent hard disk. A Pentium-133 with 32MB DRAM will suffice just fine as a NFS file server, assuming you're not running X11. Thus, you now have *yet another* use for an old PC besides a LTSP terminal. :-) --TP richard ingalls wrote: >Yes I LOVE installing via NFS - so fast and easy! >HOWEVER, I'm at an organization now that is ALL >Windows ALL the time! So I have no place to do an NFS >export unless I build another box just for that >purpose (which I may do). Since I keep getting errors >on my CDs (which I'm sure is MY fault, but I burned >several CDs and don't want to waste any more), I want >to just use Ubuntu. > >--- Les Mikesell wrote: > > > >>On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 10:08, richard ingalls wrote: >> >> >>>I think I'm going to go for it with Ubuntu. I >>> >>> >>LOVE >> >> >>>the idea of only needing ONE CD to install from! >>> >>> >>You do know that you really only have to burn the >>first >>CD or make a USB boot image for k12ltsp >>(fedora/RH/centos) >>don't you? If you download the iso images to an >>NFS exported directory all you have to do is boot >>the >>first CD with 'linux askmethod', pick NFS as the >>install >>method, and point it to your NFS location. >> >> >> >>>Lastly, squidguard and dansguardian REALLY need to >>>work and work well (for the CIPA requirements). >>> >>> >>In my >> >> >>>opinion this is reason enough to stay with Fedora >>> >>> >>(if >> >> >>>it won't work well in Ubuntu). In Fedora, >>> >>> >>squidguard >> >> >>>JUST WORKS! I love it! >>> >>> >>If someone is looking for a project, something that >>would >>be a real killer combination would be to make the >>new SME >>server (based on Centos4) work alongside k12ltsp for >>network >>server functions (squid/email/web/ftp, etc) and to >>provide >>home directories because it is so easy to install >>and manage. >>The tricky part would be getting everything to use >>the >>same network authentication method. >> >>-- >> Les Mikesell >> les at futuresource.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> From les at futuresource.com Mon Sep 12 17:29:50 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:29:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: <20050912172359.15579.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050912172359.15579.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1126546190.330.53.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 12:23, richard ingalls wrote: > Yes I LOVE installing via NFS - so fast and easy! > HOWEVER, I'm at an organization now that is ALL > Windows ALL the time! So I have no place to do an NFS > export unless I build another box just for that > purpose (which I may do). If they know what they are doing with windows, they can drop in SFU (services for unix) on a server and you've got NFS. I think the current version is actually pretty nice. Of course once you get your first Linux box on the network you are set (a laptop is a big help here...). > Since I keep getting errors > on my CDs (which I'm sure is MY fault, but I burned > several CDs and don't want to waste any more), I want > to just use Ubuntu. There has been a long-standing problem in the way the CD padding is done on the image that can make the mediacheck test fail even with a good burn. If you are actually getting errors in the install it is probably something physical. I've sometimes had problems unless I hold the burn speed down to 16x or less. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Mon Sep 12 17:20:00 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:20:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using a terminal as a Jetdirect device Message-ID: <20b805c20b4abb.20b4abb20b805c@texas.rr.com> This is the entery from the lts.conf file [00:48:54:67:3a:64] PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = P This is the section of the dhcpd.conf file # example configurations for specifying specific kernels to specific clients group { use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.0.254; host ws001 { hardware ethernet 00:48:54:67:3a:64; fixed-address 192.168.0.1; } My guess is that there is something in the dhcpd.conf file that I haven't done. Thanks Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim McQuillan Date: Monday, September 12, 2005 7:50 am Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Using a terminal as a Jetdirect device > > > On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > I am using FC4.4 with 2.4.26-ltsp-3. > > After some suggested testing it appears that lp_server is not > running.> When I ran ps -elf from a bash prompt on the terminal > that has the > > printer lp_server was not in the list. > > I tried getltscfg PRINTER_0_DEVICE and got no response > > I tried getltscfg PRINTER_0_TYPE and got no response. I also > tried this > > with _1_ based on the suggestion that there is or was an > identification> problem. > > Maybe the terminal doesn't know its own hostname. Which means that > getltscfg won't know which section of the lts.conf file to look at. It > will only get the [Default] entries. > > If you are using dynamic addresses from a pool of addresses, then the > client won't get a hostname. > > if you are doing static entries in dhcpd.conf, then the client should > get a hostname. make sure you have the line 'use-host-decl-names > on' in > the dhcpd.conf file. > > Also, in the lts.conf file, you can use MAC addresses for the names of > the sections, instead of hostnames. > > Take a look at: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf > > for more info. > > > > > > How do I determine if lp_server is running or not and if it isn't > how do > > I get it started? > > on the client, at a bash prompt, type: ps > see what processes are running. there shouldn't be very many. See if > lp_server is one of them. > > > If you still can't get it working after all this, then send me a > copy of > your lts.conf file, and your dhcpd.conf file. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From william at fragakis.com Mon Sep 12 18:51:07 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:51:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp leaking out eth1 Message-ID: Don't know how this is happening - apparently some of our newly installed servers (k12ltsp 4.4.0) are serving dhcp off eth1. Physically, it's the only connecting to the school network which has its own dhcp server on a 10.x.x.x subnet. eth0 is happily handing addresses out on 192.etc and clients are working fine. /var/lib/dhcpd/dhcpd.leases (i hope I didn't misspell anything material) indicates ip addresses handed out to Windows machines on the school network. Some we having fully connected and are handing out ip addresses over eth1, a couple are new installs without clients which are doing it. These are supposed to be default installs with eth0 being local and eth1 being internet. The network config panel reads correctly. Cables are correct, too - or at least we double checked 10 times and it seemed okay. We've done a number of identical Dell boxes as servers and only a couple are acting up. Is there anything I'm missing? Any way to force dhcp serving to only one ethernet port? Regards, William Fragakis Morris Brandon El. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Sep 12 18:51:38 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:51:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PPC Slight Panic (human panic) In-Reply-To: <40E4DEEA-60F2-4B75-A96D-C7401AEB7968@inlandlakes.org> References: <40E4DEEA-60F2-4B75-A96D-C7401AEB7968@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4325CE3A.5030706@inlandlakes.org> Darn, I was hoping someone had a suggestion for me. I'll just warn against using the "really cool" applications in my demo. My presentation starts at 6PM EST -- so I'm still open for ideas until then. ;o) -Shawn Shawn Powers wrote: > I'm doing a presentation tonight, and I was just testing the speed of > my thin client iMacs. Unfortunately, games that require GLX simply do > not start (celestia, childsplay) -- I tried adding: > X4_MODULE_01 = glx > > to the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf > > under the default section, but that did not help me at all. > > Anyone have any 9th inning suggestions for me? Those glx games/ > programs really are impressive, especially to community members... > > Thanks, > -Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From les at futuresource.com Mon Sep 12 18:55:08 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 13:55:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp leaking out eth1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1126551308.330.73.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 13:51, William Fragakis wrote: > Don't know how this is happening - apparently some of our newly > installed servers (k12ltsp 4.4.0) > are serving dhcp off eth1. Physically, it's the only connecting to the > school network which has its own dhcp server on a 10.x.x.x subnet. eth0 > is happily handing addresses out on 192.etc and clients are working > fine. /var/lib/dhcpd/dhcpd.leases (i hope I didn't misspell anything > material) indicates ip addresses handed out to Windows machines on the > school network. > > Some we having fully connected and are handing out ip addresses over > eth1, a couple are new installs without clients which are doing it. > > These are supposed to be default installs with eth0 being local and > eth1 being internet. The network config panel reads correctly. Cables > are correct, too - or at least we double checked 10 times and it seemed > okay. > > We've done a number of identical Dell boxes as servers and only a > couple are acting up. > > Is there anything I'm missing? Any way to force dhcp serving to only > one ethernet port? Dhcpd should require a subnet declaration with addresses that match those assigned to an interface to serve anything - and at startup you should see an error message about that declaration being missing for your eth1 interface. Most likely explanation is that you somewhere have a physical connection between your inside and outside switches. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Sep 12 19:10:48 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:10:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcp leaking out eth1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4325D2B8.7040405@inlandlakes.org> William Fragakis wrote: > Some we having fully connected and are handing out ip addresses over > eth1, a couple are new installs without clients which are doing it. I always edit /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd and add the arguement "eth0" (or whatever interface you want to do the serving) because I'm paranoid about messing up the "big network" -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From ramonklown at pop.com.br Mon Sep 12 19:59:22 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:59:22 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] French canadian keyboard layout In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10027.200.222.204.120.1126555162.squirrel@popmail3.pop.com.br> When you change lts.conf you only change on the clients that are booting from the ltsp process. If you want to change it on the server you need to edit xorg.conf Peace > Greetings everyone, I'm having problems getting K12LTSP V3.11 (XFree86) to switch > keyboard to French canadian. > I got the language setting switched easly but none of the menu tools seem to want > to swith the keyboard. I even got dual keyboards enabled on the KDE desktop for US > and CA but both gives me the us keyboard layout only. > I also tried changing in lts.conf these lines: > > XkbLayout "fr_CA,us" > XKbOptions "grp:alt_shift_toggle" > > but no luck. > Any ideas? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Mon Sep 12 20:27:17 2005 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:27:17 -0400 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20Re:=20[K12OSN]=20French=20canadian?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20keyboard=20layout?= Message-ID: I have found new information on the keyboard layouts. 1- modifying the lts.conf does not work. Still gives me a US keyboard. 2- This problem is reported in Bugzilla 141347. It suggest replacing the ca-enhanced map and/or use the setxkbmap command. Both the above work on the server console but none of the above work with the terminals. This is the message i get when using setxkbmap -layout ca (or any variant around this) when on a terminal. Couldn't interpret _XKB_RULES_NAMES property Use defaults: rules - 'xfree86' model - 'pc101' Layout - 'us' Error loading new keyboard description. In the man pages setxkbmap states that we can get inconsistencies if the Xclient and Server are not on the same machine which is the case. It has something to do with getting the mapping right on both sides. >>> ramonklown at pop.com.br 2005-09-12 15:59:22 >>> When you change lts.conf you only change on the clients that are booting from the ltsp process. If you want to change it on the server you need to edit xorg.conf Peace > Greetings everyone, I'm having problems getting K12LTSP V3.11 (XFree86) to switch > keyboard to French canadian. > I got the language setting switched easly but none of the menu tools seem to want > to swith the keyboard. I even got dual keyboards enabled on the KDE desktop for US > and CA but both gives me the us keyboard layout only. > I also tried changing in lts.conf these lines: > > XkbLayout "fr_CA,us" > XKbOptions "grp:alt_shift_toggle" > > but no luck. > Any ideas? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Petre From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 00:02:50 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 05:32:50 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Top post In-Reply-To: <20050912161756.2186.qmail@web52010.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050912161756.2186.qmail@web52010.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <774593a205091217027f9771a5@mail.gmail.com> On 9/12/05, Jennifer Waters wrote: > Would you tell me how to answer a post from the > listserve. Bottom post like this. Comments snipping can be marked with [SNIP] Use plain text. Weed out signatures and such at the bottom. > Thank you, You are welcome. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From genfil at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 00:53:09 2005 From: genfil at gmail.com (Jean Phil) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:53:09 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] thin client with s3 unichrome slow Message-ID: Need help. I have thin clients using k7vm2 mainboard. It turns out that it uses via s3 unichrome. When the thin client boots it could not detect the video card type and uses the SLOW vesa xserver. The display is slow. How can I make it faster? I am using a K12LTSP 4.2 .0 and fedora core 3. From jam at mcquil.com Tue Sep 13 01:14:03 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] thin client with s3 unichrome slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jean, You need to figure out which Xserver it should use, and set it in lts.conf. Like this: XSERVER = xxxxx where the 'xxxx' is the xserver module for that card. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Jean Phil wrote: > Need help. > I have thin clients using k7vm2 mainboard. It turns out that it uses > via s3 unichrome. When the thin client boots it could not detect the > video card type and uses the SLOW vesa xserver. The display is slow. > How can I make it faster? > I am using a K12LTSP 4.2 .0 and fedora core 3. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca Tue Sep 13 02:37:18 2005 From: k12ltsplover at stmaurice.mb.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:37:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] replace_esd.sh problem Message-ID: <43263B5E.7090403@stmaurice.mb.ca> I am still struggling with sound problems. If a cold boot was done, the first person who logs in gets sound in such things as tux paint and in websites like www.starfall.com. When they log out, and someone else logs in they will most likely NOT have sound. I thought I had it licked after following the wiki article and employing the script replace_esd.sh which reads as follows #!/bin/sh if [ ! -f /tmp/.esd/socket ]; then logger "/tmp/.esd/socket is missing. replacing..." rm -rf /tmp/.esd 2>/dev/null mkdir /tmp/.esd touch /tmp/.esd/socket else touch /tmp/.esd/socket fi I was under the assumption that this would solve the issue, but after a week of school operations it appears it does not. When I noticed the problem had continued I logged in as a student and tried to run the script manually in a terminal window. I got an error about not being able to access /tmp/.esd/socket and permission being denied. Does anyone know how to fix this problem? I could not find /tmp/.esd/socket so I could not check the properties/permissions. Please let me know what I am doing wrong. thank you From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 04:11:26 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:11:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: <20050912172359.15579.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050912172359.15579.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4326516E.8050806@gmail.com> richard ingalls wrote: >Yes I LOVE installing via NFS - so fast and easy! >HOWEVER, I'm at an organization now that is ALL >Windows ALL the time! So I have no place to do an NFS >export unless I build another box just for that >purpose (which I may do). Since I keep getting errors >on my CDs (which I'm sure is MY fault, but I burned >several CDs and don't want to waste any more), I want >to just use Ubuntu. > >--- Les Mikesell wrote: > While I haven't actually /used/ this information, this page (http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/coasterless.htm) could be exactly what you are looking for to avoid making bad CDs Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting From robark at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 06:09:01 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:09:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] thin client with s3 unichrome slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/12/05, Jean Phil wrote: > Need help. > I have thin clients using k7vm2 mainboard. It turns out that it uses > via s3 unichrome. When the thin client boots it could not detect the > video card type and uses the SLOW vesa xserver. The display is slow. > How can I make it faster? > I am using a K12LTSP 4.2 .0 and fedora core 3. via just released the drivers for this hardware OS recently. It's in the 2.6.13 or .12 kernel I think. So k12ltsp 4.2 won't have these drivers yet. I think you will have to use the very slow vesa xserver for now. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Sep 13 12:33:20 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:33:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: <4326516E.8050806@gmail.com> References: <20050912172359.15579.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> <4326516E.8050806@gmail.com> Message-ID: I find that most of the time...it's not the CD, but rather the shiny new CD drive. Some of my servers are coming with Samsung drives that spin way too fast for burned CD's.....if I swap it out with a Creative or Sony drive it works fine. They often come on "rails" so I put a good drive on a set of rails and slide it in place of the other only for installs (even though I do 99% of my installs now via NFS). "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 at 12:11 AM +0000 wrote: >>Yes I LOVE installing via NFS - so fast and easy! >>HOWEVER, I'm at an organization now that is ALL >>Windows ALL the time! So I have no place to do an NFS >>export unless I build another box just for that >>purpose (which I may do). Since I keep getting errors >>on my CDs (which I'm sure is MY fault, but I burned >>several CDs and don't want to waste any more), I want >>to just use Ubuntu. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 13:17:25 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:17:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] childsplay won't start at all Message-ID: <9bd3175605091306174361008b@mail.gmail.com> Hey Eric, I yum installed childsplay-0.80.1.1-1.k12ltsp.4.2.1a and it's deps. But it doesn't start at all. Run in the command line i get this: /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/pygame/base.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Childsplay depends on pygame. You must first install the pygame package. Due to the fact that this package has some tricky dependencies, you better install the one that came with your distribution. But, when I look at /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/ pygame is there! How do I fix that? I'm running x86_64 by the way. Thanks, Peter From les at futuresource.com Tue Sep 13 14:26:20 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:26:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: References: <20050912172359.15579.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> <4326516E.8050806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1126621580.18313.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 07:33, David Trask wrote: > I find that most of the time...it's not the CD, but rather the shiny new > CD drive. Some of my servers are coming with Samsung drives that spin way > too fast for burned CD's.....if I swap it out with a Creative or Sony > drive it works fine. They often come on "rails" so I put a good drive on > a set of rails and slide it in place of the other only for installs (even > though I do 99% of my installs now via NFS). Yet another possibility is to use a USB flash drive to boot with the diskboot.img in the 1st CD's /images directory. Most machines will boot from USB these days. A cheap way to do that is to find a compact flash or SD card from a camera that is too small to used anymore (8 megs is plenty) and use it with a USB adapter that doesn't have to be dedicated to the job. Just make a loopback mount of the iso image on the machine that holds it so you can dd the file to the device, plug it in the machine you want to load and reboot. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From tom.allen at winthrop.k12.me.us Tue Sep 13 14:59:41 2005 From: tom.allen at winthrop.k12.me.us (Tom Allen) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:59:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT - Emergengy Linux/LDAP setup In-Reply-To: <1126621580.18313.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050912172359.15579.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> <4326516E.8050806@gmail.com> <1126621580.18313.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1126623581.19968.4.camel@rebel.winthrop.k12.me.us> Our Novell server crashed. We are now accelerating our plans to setup our linux/ldap server. It is a DakTek server, and we are using the k12ltsp 4.2.1 disks to do a "regular" server install. Are there any "gotcha's" to be aware of? It should be a fairly straight forward install. Thanks in advance. Tom From les at futuresource.com Tue Sep 13 14:57:43 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:57:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT - Emergengy Linux/LDAP setup In-Reply-To: <1126623581.19968.4.camel@rebel.winthrop.k12.me.us> References: <20050912172359.15579.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> <4326516E.8050806@gmail.com> <1126621580.18313.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1126623581.19968.4.camel@rebel.winthrop.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <1126623463.18313.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 09:59, Tom Allen wrote: > Our Novell server crashed. We are now accelerating our plans to setup > our linux/ldap server. It is a DakTek server, and we are using the > k12ltsp 4.2.1 disks to do a "regular" server install. Are there any > "gotcha's" to be aware of? It should be a fairly straight forward > install. I'd recommend the Centos4 based K12LTSP-4.2.1EL instead since the base OS should be supported much longer. I haven't used that hardware but I thought someone mentioned something about the network card on some DakTek server here recently. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Sep 13 15:09:12 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:09:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT - Emergengy Linux/LDAP setup In-Reply-To: <1126623581.19968.4.camel@rebel.winthrop.k12.me.us> References: <20050912172359.15579.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> <4326516E.8050806@gmail.com> <1126621580.18313.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1126623581.19968.4.camel@rebel.winthrop.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <4326EB98.9010406@paasda.org> Lucky you! That's exactly how I got K12LTSP's foot in the door here! ;) After install be sure to do the 'yum update' and all should go well. --Huck Tom Allen wrote: > Our Novell server crashed. We are now accelerating our plans to setup > our linux/ldap server. It is a DakTek server, and we are using the > k12ltsp 4.2.1 disks to do a "regular" server install. Are there any > "gotcha's" to be aware of? It should be a fairly straight forward > install. > > Thanks in advance. > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Sep 13 15:15:29 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:15:29 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT - Emergengy Linux/LDAP setup In-Reply-To: <4326EB98.9010406@paasda.org> References: <20050912172359.15579.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> <4326516E.8050806@gmail.com> <1126621580.18313.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1126623581.19968.4.camel@rebel.winthrop.k12.me.us> <4326EB98.9010406@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4326ED11.9000007@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Huck wrote: > Lucky you! That's exactly how I got K12LTSP's foot in the door here! ;) > > After install be sure to do the 'yum update' and all should go well. > > --Huck > > Tom Allen wrote: > >> Our Novell server crashed. We are now accelerating our plans to setup >> our linux/ldap server. It is a DakTek server, and we are using the >> k12ltsp 4.2.1 disks to do a "regular" server install. Are there any >> "gotcha's" to be aware of? It should be a fairly straight forward >> install. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Tom >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Also make sure you do regular slapcat -l 's to have a backup. It saved me this morning when our system corrupted the backend so I had to wipe the content's of /var/lib/ldap and then do a slapadd -l from the last backup, 5 minutes and wer were away again !!! Also pay attention to the settings in slapd.conf, by default when I installed from the smbldap-installer script it didn't setup and cache & loglevel is default so that 256 so you'll get a big log quickly on a busy server. We have over 1000 users and about 500 PC's and these are the setting's I've added to slapd.conf loglevel 8 cachesize 2000 dbcachesize 20000 These are smaller then the ones set out on the MESD/K12Linux Quick Guide to LDAP guide but double the size of the one setout in the idealx howto. Brian From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Tue Sep 13 16:00:21 2005 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:00:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] chown script help needed (word of caution) In-Reply-To: <1125856161.24735.45.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <9bd3175605090408521862f710@mail.gmail.com> <431B22FC.9050405@stmarys-school.org> <1125856161.24735.45.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1126627222.7873.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 12:49 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > This will simply fail if one of the names contains spaces. > If you really don't want to do this to all the directories > under /home, you can generate the list some other way. > For example you could copy the /etc/passwd file, delete > the range you don't want, then (in vi) :%s/:.*// to > leave only the names. If you save that in a file you > can change the 'for i in *' line above to > for i in `cat file` > to iterate over the list you want. A little one-liner I've used in the past to fix permissions only on "real" user directories and leave other stuff I tend to keep in /home alone is: for i in `cat /etc/passwd | awk -F: '$3 > 500 {print $1}'`; do chown -R $i:$i $i; done So maybe it's a one-and-half liner, but it eliminates the need (on my systems at least) to do manual file manipulations, and therefor also eliminates fat-finger syndrome. Let's hear it for stupid Unix tricks! -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, OR From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Tue Sep 13 16:10:12 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:10:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT - Emergengy Linux/LDAP setup In-Reply-To: <4326ED11.9000007@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200509131610.j8DGAMh3018360@mx1.redhat.com> Hey that's for the tips; two questions, where in slapd.conf did you put the loglevel information, above the database part or as part of the database part. Also, is there more to slapcat -l. I tried it and I am getting the usage menu. And when it is successful what is its default location. Thanks --mark -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brian Chivers Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:15 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Slightly OT - Emergengy Linux/LDAP setup Huck wrote: > Lucky you! That's exactly how I got K12LTSP's foot in the door here! ;) > > After install be sure to do the 'yum update' and all should go well. > > --Huck > > Tom Allen wrote: > >> Our Novell server crashed. We are now accelerating our plans to setup >> our linux/ldap server. It is a DakTek server, and we are using the >> k12ltsp 4.2.1 disks to do a "regular" server install. Are there any >> "gotcha's" to be aware of? It should be a fairly straight forward >> install. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Tom >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Also make sure you do regular slapcat -l 's to have a backup. It saved me this morning when our system corrupted the backend so I had to wipe the content's of /var/lib/ldap and then do a slapadd -l from the last backup, 5 minutes and wer were away again !!! Also pay attention to the settings in slapd.conf, by default when I installed from the smbldap-installer script it didn't setup and cache & loglevel is default so that 256 so you'll get a big log quickly on a busy server. We have over 1000 users and about 500 PC's and these are the setting's I've added to slapd.conf loglevel 8 cachesize 2000 dbcachesize 20000 These are smaller then the ones set out on the MESD/K12Linux Quick Guide to LDAP guide but double the size of the one setout in the idealx howto. Brian _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 16:13:04 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:13:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] schooltool daemon In-Reply-To: References: <9bd3175605083017252e32edae@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050830175628cfbb8a@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605083018167f41cc8a@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560508302047374c8626@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050830210468d0eb5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd3175605091309132ac1691d@mail.gmail.com> Hey Eric, I thought I might test schooltool daemonishness on another system (centos4) and I still get the same result: no start at boot time. I can only assume it's something I'm doing wrong. Is this right? chkconfig --level 3 schooltool on Thanks, Peter On 9/1/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > I built new packages that make sure that the *.pyc files are replaced. > > > > It also shaves a full second off the schooltool/schoolbell startup time! ;-) > > > I made several additional improvements to my schooltool/schoolbell > packages. The latest-and-greatest test packages are available at: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Sep 13 19:39:14 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:39:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT - Emergengy Linux/LDAP setup In-Reply-To: <1126623581.19968.4.camel@rebel.winthrop.k12.me.us> References: <20050912172359.15579.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> < > <4326516E.8050806@gmail.com> < > < > <1126621580.18313.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1126623581.19968.4.camel@rebel.winthrop.k12.me.us> Message-ID: Use....4.4 and the newest version of smbldap-installer (2.0 beta)....I'm running them and it works slick. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Sep 13 19:59:11 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:59:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to make wireless_ltsp Message-ID: <43272F8F.5020205@inlandlakes.org> I can't seem to find the kernel for what is on the wireless_ltsp floppy (to put the modules on the server) What is the process to make a new version of that floppy? Right now, I'm using knoppix, and running X -query to make my old half-dead laptop a not-so-thin client, but I'd like to boot directly (ideally so sound would work as well) Jim, or anyone else -- can you point me in the direction of documentation that might steer me correctly? (My PCMCIA wired card is on the short list of working cards, and the laptop does boot with the old version) Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Sep 13 20:07:00 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:07:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Daktech server and network card issue Message-ID: Here's an update on the Daktech server issue and the network card. First, Daktech makes some very nice servers (i have several) and they have a 7 year warranty! They've been excellent to deal with for tech support and so forth...not that I've needed any other than swapping a hard drive that went bad (they overnighted a new one to me). Now....the latest situation is that on some of the servers....the mobo manufacturer (which I think is Intel) is putting two gigabit cards onboard....one is an Intel and one is a Marvell Yukon. It's the Marvell which doesn't play nice with Linux. No fault of Daktech....it's simply an incompatibility issue....the easy fix? Put in your own gigabit card and disable the Marvell onboard one in the BIOS. When ordering...simply throw on an additional card (Intel or another well known one) to cover the incompatibility part. Now....the easy way to deal with this? Move to a single NIC setup where either another Linux machine is the DHCP server or your K12LTSP box or Samba/LDAP box is the DHCP server. Now all is on one network....no more subnets and funky wiring stuff. :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Tue Sep 13 20:02:03 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:02:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Many displays/remote control Message-ID: <1126641722.4281.89.camel@moola.futuresource.com> This doesn't quite relate to normal k12ltsp use but some of the ideas might apply so I'll ask here anyway. I have a wall of displays monitoring a lot of remote network devices and services. These are currently mostly running on multi-headed windows boxes. Some of the software needs windows but quite a few are just browser screens and some are already java applications under Linux. There is a massive tangle of keyboards and mice underneath and it is painful to sort out which goes to which display. So, is there a better way? Can thin terminals run X multiheaded? Is there a way to do VNC per screen on multiheaded boxes so an operator sitting at a desk within sight of these monitors could yank the one he wants to his own screen? I have enough old PC's to use one per display but would prefer not to deal with the space or power needed. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jam at mcquil.com Tue Sep 13 20:18:51 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How to make wireless_ltsp In-Reply-To: <43272F8F.5020205@inlandlakes.org> References: <43272F8F.5020205@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: Shawn, I've created a wiki page for the old LTSP wireless package, and i've included the kernel modules tarball on that page. here's the link: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WirelessLtsp Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Shawn Powers wrote: > I can't seem to find the kernel for what is on the wireless_ltsp floppy (to > put the modules on the server) > > What is the process to make a new version of that floppy? Right now, I'm > using knoppix, and running X -query to make my old half-dead laptop a > not-so-thin client, but I'd like to boot directly (ideally so sound would work > as well) > > Jim, or anyone else -- can you point me in the direction of documentation that > might steer me correctly? > > (My PCMCIA wired card is on the short list of working cards, and the laptop > does boot with the old version) > > Thanks, > -Shawn > > > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Sep 13 20:52:32 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:52:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to make wireless_ltsp In-Reply-To: References: <43272F8F.5020205@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <43273C10.70501@inlandlakes.org> Jim McQuillan wrote: > I've created a wiki page for the old LTSP wireless package, and i've > included the kernel modules tarball on that page. Thanks Jim! I'm now booted as a real thin client, complete with sound (needed for Strongbad emails, of course. http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail.html) The only glitch was the USB mouse I am trying to use. Maybe LTSP 3.0 didn't have USB mouse support (I dont' see the hid module anywhere) -- but I just swapped to a PS/2 mouse, and all is well. Thank you very much! -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Sep 13 22:55:24 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:55:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] chown script help needed (word of caution) In-Reply-To: <1126627222.7873.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <9bd3175605090408521862f710@mail.gmail.com> <431B22FC.9050405@stmarys-school.org> <1125856161.24735.45.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1126627222.7873.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <432758DC.3000009@stmarys-school.org> Quentin Hartman wrote: > On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 12:49 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > >>This will simply fail if one of the names contains spaces. >>If you really don't want to do this to all the directories >>under /home, you can generate the list some other way. >>For example you could copy the /etc/passwd file, delete >>the range you don't want, then (in vi) :%s/:.*// to >>leave only the names. If you save that in a file you >>can change the 'for i in *' line above to >>for i in `cat file` >>to iterate over the list you want. > > > A little one-liner I've used in the past to fix permissions only on > "real" user directories and leave other stuff I tend to keep in /home > alone is: > > for i in `cat /etc/passwd | awk -F: '$3 > 500 {print $1}'`; do chown -R > $i:$i $i; done > > So maybe it's a one-and-half liner, but it eliminates the need (on my > systems at least) to do manual file manipulations, and therefor also > eliminates fat-finger syndrome. Let's hear it for stupid Unix tricks! > Much better solution Quentin! We keep a few non-user directories in /home and have moved 'em in and out when a need to adjust permissions arose. John From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Sep 13 23:11:25 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:11:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: <1126621580.18313.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050912172359.15579.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> < > <4326516E.8050806@gmail.com> < > <1126621580.18313.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 at 10:26 AM +0000 wrote: >Yet another possibility is to use a USB flash drive to boot with the >diskboot.img in the 1st CD's /images directory. Most machines will >boot from USB these days. A cheap way to do that is to find a compact >flash or SD card from a camera that is too small to used anymore (8 megs >is plenty) and use it with a USB adapter that doesn't have to be >dedicated to the job. Just make a loopback mount of the iso image >on the machine that holds it so you can dd the file to the device, >plug it in the machine you want to load and reboot. Couldn't you also use "linux askmethod" with this idea? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Wed Sep 14 00:40:52 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:40:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: References: <20050912172359.15579.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> < > <4326516E.8050806@gmail.com> < > <1126621580.18313.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1126658451.23591.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 18:11, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, September 13, 2005 at 10:26 AM +0000 wrote: > >Yet another possibility is to use a USB flash drive to boot with the > >diskboot.img in the 1st CD's /images directory. Most machines will > >boot from USB these days. A cheap way to do that is to find a compact > >flash or SD card from a camera that is too small to used anymore (8 megs > >is plenty) and use it with a USB adapter that doesn't have to be > >dedicated to the job. Just make a loopback mount of the iso image > >on the machine that holds it so you can dd the file to the device, > >plug it in the machine you want to load and reboot. > Couldn't you also use "linux askmethod" with this idea? Yes, you can boot the flash image and install over NFS without burning any CDs. There's also a way to do a PXE boot that might fall into place for everyone who already is set up for network booting. It just always seemed easier to burn a CD or copy the flash image than to make the right hardware-address entry in the dhcpd.conf file. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From Mike.Karolow at sprint.com Wed Sep 14 20:47:47 2005 From: Mike.Karolow at sprint.com (Karolow, Mike [ITS]) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:47:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Many displays/remote control Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Les Mikesell > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:02 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Many displays/remote control > > This doesn't quite relate to normal k12ltsp use but some of the ideas > might apply so I'll ask here anyway. I have a wall of displays > monitoring a lot of remote network devices and services. These > are currently mostly running on multi-headed windows boxes. Some > of the software needs windows but quite a few are just browser > screens and some are already java applications under Linux. There > is a massive tangle of keyboards and mice underneath and it is > painful to sort out which goes to which display. So, is there > a better way? Can thin terminals run X multiheaded? Is there a > way to do VNC per screen on multiheaded boxes so an operator sitting > at a desk within sight of these monitors could yank the one he > wants to his own screen? I have enough old PC's to use one per > display but would prefer not to deal with the space or power needed. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Synergy is the answer. I use it at work and at home. Just install, configure and you are good to go. http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ Mike Karolow Volunteer IT Administrator the greenhouse school Salem, Ma, USA From petre at maltzen.net Wed Sep 14 14:13:59 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:13:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to make wireless_ltsp In-Reply-To: References: <43272F8F.5020205@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <43283027.5030502@maltzen.net> I, too, followed the wiki, but unfortunately my card, a Cisco Aironet 350, while seemingly recognized by the wireless floppy, gave a bunch of unexpected responses and wouldn't finish booting. (The Knoppix method works, which is still impressive). The README in the wireless package mentions that it works only with a small number of wireless cards. Is this limitation because of the use of a 2.4.x kernel which didn't have as much support for wireless cards as does 2.6.x? In other words, would there be broader support for various wireless cards if we could use a 2.6 kernel on the floppy? As I understand it, the 2.6 kernel is too big to fit on a floppy. Would building a custom kernel, with support for the particular card compiled in, and using that on the floppy, work? Petre Jim McQuillan wrote: > Shawn, > > I've created a wiki page for the old LTSP wireless package, and i've > included the kernel modules tarball on that page. > > here's the link: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WirelessLtsp > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Shawn Powers wrote: > > >>I can't seem to find the kernel for what is on the wireless_ltsp floppy (to >>put the modules on the server) >> >>What is the process to make a new version of that floppy? Right now, I'm >>using knoppix, and running X -query to make my old half-dead laptop a >>not-so-thin client, but I'd like to boot directly (ideally so sound would work >>as well) >> >>Jim, or anyone else -- can you point me in the direction of documentation that >>might steer me correctly? >> >>(My PCMCIA wired card is on the short list of working cards, and the laptop >>does boot with the old version) >> >>Thanks, >>-Shawn >> >> >> >>-- >>Shawn Powers >>Technology Director >>Inland Lakes Schools >>PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 >>FAX: 509-356-7024 >>spowers at inlandlakes.org >>http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org >> >>---- >>The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, >>sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, >>cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, >>OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, >>or anything else I might infer are not the >>views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything >>I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be >>considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Sep 14 12:31:03 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:31:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: <1126658451.23591.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <20050912172359.15579.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> < > < > <4326516E.8050806@gmail.com> < > < > < > <1126621580.18313.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> < > <1126658451.23591.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 at 8:40 PM +0000 wrote: >right hardware-address entry in the >dhcpd.conf file. I don't follow....all you do is set up a server with NFS sharing a directory like "images". Then I simply use wget to download the ISO's to the NFS server. Then you boot from the first CD and type "linux askmethod" at the boot prompt. You go through a few prompts...select the method (you have choices like NFS, hard drive, CD-ROM...etc) choose NFS....it asks for the server name and the directory....example: 10.0.6.101 and /images/K12LTSP44/ and that's it.....piece of cake! No more mounting manually or anything like that. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jjjggg at hotmail.com Wed Sep 14 13:17:08 2005 From: jjjggg at hotmail.com (JohnG) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:17:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Some "community friendly" presentation ideas Message-ID: I'm curious, how did the presentation go? What was the reaction? What worked and what didn't? Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gumprechtm at msln.net Wed Sep 14 11:38:44 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 07:38:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT - Emergengy Linux/LDAP setup In-Reply-To: <1126623463.18313.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050912172359.15579.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> <4326516E.8050806@gmail.com> <1126621580.18313.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1126623581.19968.4.camel@rebel.winthrop.k12.me.us> <1126623463.18313.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <43280BC4.9060300@msln.net> I would suggest centos4 as well. After running the script, Go to /etc/openldap/ldap.conf and remove the tls line. Also set the 'smbpasswd -a root' manually.Here is a copy of my centos4 section of the distro_data.pm file; ################################### "centos4" => { # this needs to be set because smbldap-tools-0.8.6-1 puts utilities in here PATH => "/usr/sbin", media_mnt_point => { cd => "/media/cd.*", }, rpms => { 'perl-Convert-BER-1.31.*.rpm' => { medianames => "script", path => "PWD/rpms", }, 'perl-Unicode-Map8-0.12-*.rpm' => { medianames => "script", path => "PWD/rpms", }, 'perl-Crypt-SmbHash-0.02-*.rpm' => { medianames => "script", path => "PWD/rpms", }, 'perl-Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09-*.rpm' => { medianames => "script", path => "PWD/rpms", }, 'perl-Jcode-0.83-*.rpm' => { medianames => "script", path => "PWD/rpms", }, 'perl-Unicode-String-2.07-*.rpm' => { medianames => "script", path => "PWD/rpms", }, 'perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-*.rpm' => { medianames => "script", path => "PWD/rpms", }, 'smbldap-tools-0.9.1-*.rpm' => { medianames => "script", path => "PWD/rpms", }, 'binutils-2.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'perl-HTML-Tagset-3.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'cpp-3.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'perl-libwww-perl-5.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'perl-URI-1.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'perl-HTML-Parser-3.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'samba-common-3.*.i386.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'samba-3.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'perl-XML-NamespaceSupport-1.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #2", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'perl-XML-SAX-0.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #2", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'perl-LDAP-0.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #2", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'perl-Convert-ASN1-0.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #2", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'gcc-3.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #3", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'openldap-clients-2.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #4", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'glibc-devel-2.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #3", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'glibc-headers-2.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #3", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'glibc-kernheaders-2.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #3", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'openldap-servers-2.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #3", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'perl-IO-Socket-SSL-0.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #3", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'perl-Digest-SHA1-2.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, 'perl-Net_SSLeay-1.*.rpm' => { medianames => { cd => "cd #4", }, path => "Fedora/RPMS/", }, }, }, # end centos4 ################################### I also down loaded all the needed rpms from the DAG wieers site. Make sure to get the EL4 versions, or you could setup apt and set dag's repository up. ( howto on his site or just use his apt rpm and the changes are already made. just install the gpg key) Then I just went into the folder with all the rpm's and did rpm -Uvh *.rpm. I removed any that conflicted and reran until all were in. Then the CPAN install Bundle deal. All works well. Mark Les Mikesell wrote: >On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 09:59, Tom Allen wrote: > > >>Our Novell server crashed. We are now accelerating our plans to setup >>our linux/ldap server. It is a DakTek server, and we are using the >>k12ltsp 4.2.1 disks to do a "regular" server install. Are there any >>"gotcha's" to be aware of? It should be a fairly straight forward >>install. >> >> > >I'd recommend the Centos4 based K12LTSP-4.2.1EL instead since the >base OS should be supported much longer. I haven't used that >hardware but I thought someone mentioned something about the network >card on some DakTek server here recently. > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From wescott at sc.rr.com Wed Sep 14 04:04:28 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 00:04:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] chown script help needed (word of caution) In-Reply-To: <1126627222.7873.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <9bd3175605090408521862f710@mail.gmail.com> <431B22FC.9050405@stmarys-school.org> <1125856161.24735.45.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1126627222.7873.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1126670668.31709.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 09:00 -0700, Quentin Hartman wrote: > A little one-liner I've used in the past to fix permissions only on > "real" user directories and leave other stuff I tend to keep in /home > alone is: > > for i in `cat /etc/passwd | awk -F: '$3 > 500 {print $1}'`; do chown -R > $i:$i $i; done Gratuitous cat abuse :-) version 0.2: for i in `awk -F: '$3 > 500 {print $1}' /etc/passwd`; do chown -R $i:$i $i; done version 0.3: awk -F: '$3>500 {print $3, $4, $6}' /etc/passwd | while read u g h do chown -R $u:$g "$h" done This last one avoids the assumption that the primary group name is the same as the username (though that will almost always be true). It uses the name of the home directory directly from the password file rather than trying to constructing it on the fly (it also works with home dirs with spaces in the name). I also suggest running pwck first to check the consistency of the password file. From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 03:40:13 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:40:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Many displays/remote control In-Reply-To: <1126641722.4281.89.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1126641722.4281.89.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <43279B9D.7060202@gmail.com> Les Mikesell wrote: >This doesn't quite relate to normal k12ltsp use but some of the ideas >might apply so I'll ask here anyway. I have a wall of displays >monitoring a lot of remote network devices and services. These >are currently mostly running on multi-headed windows boxes. Some >of the software needs windows but quite a few are just browser >screens and some are already java applications under Linux. There >is a massive tangle of keyboards and mice underneath and it is >painful to sort out which goes to which display. So, is there >a better way? Can thin terminals run X multiheaded? Is there a >way to do VNC per screen on multiheaded boxes so an operator sitting >at a desk within sight of these monitors could yank the one he >wants to his own screen? I have enough old PC's to use one per >display but would prefer not to deal with the space or power needed. > I have one acronym for you: KVM. (If I have misunderstood your situation, then I apologize.) Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting From warren at togami.com Wed Sep 14 04:31:47 2005 From: warren at togami.com (Warren Togami) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:31:47 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard Warning from Extras In-Reply-To: <43201DB9.3060001@togami.com> References: <43201DB9.3060001@togami.com> Message-ID: <4327A7B3.9050701@togami.com> I have received no responses from any K12LTSP developers or users about the Fedora Extras squidGuard package. Unless we hear any negative reports, Extras will push squidGuard tomorrow. Warren Togami wrote: > I apologize for not watching K12LTSP development recently, so I have no > idea if this will affect the folks here or not. Just in case here is a > head's up. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=165689 > squidGuard has just been approved in Fedora Extras, which means it will > very soon go into the repository. This is good to centrally maintain > packages in one place. However it is very possible that this squidGuard > differs from the squidGuard package used for years at K12LTSP in such a > way that existing servers in a yum upgrade will be broken. > > http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/devel/squidGuard/?root=extras > squidGuard source RPM contents > http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/extras.shtml > Anonymous checkout instructions > After logging in use "cvs co squidGuard" then "make srpm" to pull the > Extras .src.rpm > > Please verify that the K12LTSP squidGuard will not break during upgrade > from the K12LTSP package to this Extras package. I suspect that the > automatic nightly blacklist update scripts and the blacklists themselves > may be different. > > I would do it myself, except I am trying to encourage certain folks here > to become more active in the Extras project where we together do a > better job of centrally maintaining packages. > > Warren Togami > wtogami at redhat.com > From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed Sep 14 21:13:40 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:13:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT - Emergengy Linux/LDAP setup Message-ID: Hi Les, I put off installing our second K12LTSP server to this fall and I am just about to purchase it. I have been wondering how I would grab the K12LTSP-4.2.1EL related rpms... Do I just look for and install a yum for EL that Eric has put together and install it into the Centos4 system? Thanks, Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd recommend the Centos4 based K12LTSP-4.2.1EL instead since the base OS should be supported much longer. I haven't used that hardware but I thought someone mentioned something about the network card on some DakTek server here recently. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Wed Sep 14 22:18:59 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:18:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT - Emergengy Linux/LDAP setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4328A1D3.4080000@parkrose.k12.or.us> Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hi Les, > > I put off installing our second K12LTSP server to this fall and I am > just about to purchase it. I have been wondering how I would grab the > K12LTSP-4.2.1EL related rpms... > > Do I just look for and install a yum for EL that Eric has put together > and install it into the Centos4 system? He has ISOs here: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/iso/ -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From les at futuresource.com Wed Sep 14 22:19:13 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:19:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu thoughts... In-Reply-To: References: <20050912172359.15579.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> < > < > <4326516E.8050806@gmail.com> < > < > < > <1126621580.18313.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> < > <1126658451.23591.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1126736353.20111.209.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 07:31, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, September 13, 2005 at 8:40 PM +0000 wrote: > >right hardware-address entry in the > >dhcpd.conf file. > > I don't follow....all you do is set up a server with NFS sharing a > directory like "images". Then I simply use wget to download the ISO's to > the NFS server. Then you boot from the first CD and type "linux askmethod" > at the boot prompt. Or you can boot from the diskboot.img in the /images directory on the first CD (which you can access through a loopback mount without burning) by copying it to a flash drive. Just like you used to be able to do with floppies before the kernel was so big. Or you can arrange for the vmlinuz and initrd found under /images/pxeboot to be handed out for network booting to certain machines (carefully, so you don't give it to your thin clients...). > You go through a few prompts...select the method (you > have choices like NFS, hard drive, CD-ROM...etc) choose NFS....it asks > for the server name and the directory....example: 10.0.6.101 and > /images/K12LTSP44/ and that's it.....piece of cake! No more mounting > manually or anything like that. The only difference is that you don't evebn need the 1st CD to boot. The other ways get you to the same place above. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Wed Sep 14 22:28:15 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:28:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Many displays/remote control In-Reply-To: <43279B9D.7060202@gmail.com> References: <1126641722.4281.89.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <43279B9D.7060202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1126736894.20111.220.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 22:40, Keith Olson wrote: > >This doesn't quite relate to normal k12ltsp use but some of the ideas > >might apply so I'll ask here anyway. I have a wall of displays > >monitoring a lot of remote network devices and services. These > >are currently mostly running on multi-headed windows boxes. Some > >of the software needs windows but quite a few are just browser > >screens and some are already java applications under Linux. There > >is a massive tangle of keyboards and mice underneath and it is > >painful to sort out which goes to which display. So, is there > >a better way? Can thin terminals run X multiheaded? Is there a > >way to do VNC per screen on multiheaded boxes so an operator sitting > >at a desk within sight of these monitors could yank the one he > >wants to his own screen? I have enough old PC's to use one per > >display but would prefer not to deal with the space or power needed. > > > I have one acronym for you: KVM. (If I have misunderstood your > situation, then I apologize.) That works in smaller scenarios. For this, I need to have 20 monitors spread across a couple of walls to keep everything visible at once. The problems I have (mostly because it was assembled out of junk parts) are that there isn't a 1 to 1 correspondence of keyboards/mice to monitors so it is confusing and also that the the person watching them actually sits back at a desk too far away to read the details when interacting. Things that might improve the situation would be to network boot at least some of the PC's (thus the question about multi-headed thin clients), and some way to run VNC to be able to grab any of the displays onto a PC at the operator's desk, preferably one screen of a multi-headed box at a time, which would be easier to keep straight. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Wed Sep 14 22:32:27 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:32:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT - Emergengy Linux/LDAP setup In-Reply-To: <4328A1D3.4080000@parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <4328A1D3.4080000@parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1126737147.20111.222.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 17:18, Dan Young wrote: > > > > I put off installing our second K12LTSP server to this fall and I am > > just about to purchase it. I have been wondering how I would grab the > > K12LTSP-4.2.1EL related rpms... > > > > Do I just look for and install a yum for EL that Eric has put together > > and install it into the Centos4 system? > > He has ISOs here: > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/iso/ Or if you prefer rsync: rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-EL/* . -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Sep 14 23:28:47 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:28:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard Warning from Extras In-Reply-To: <4327A7B3.9050701@togami.com> References: <43201DB9.3060001@togami.com> <4327A7B3.9050701@togami.com> Message-ID: <4328B22F.8050901@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Hi Warren! Sorry for being so slow, the start of school is always pure HELL ;-) I'll try to take a look at it tonight. There is not much that is special about the K12LTSP packages. There is one custom patch that transparently forces Google's "Safe Search" feature to be active. I sync with other blacklist providers, so there is even a chance those will end up being the same. -Eric Warren Togami wrote: > I have received no responses from any K12LTSP developers or users about > the Fedora Extras squidGuard package. Unless we hear any negative > reports, Extras will push squidGuard tomorrow. > > Warren Togami wrote: > >> I apologize for not watching K12LTSP development recently, so I have >> no idea if this will affect the folks here or not. Just in case here >> is a head's up. >> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=165689 >> squidGuard has just been approved in Fedora Extras, which means it >> will very soon go into the repository. This is good to centrally >> maintain packages in one place. However it is very possible that this >> squidGuard differs from the squidGuard package used for years at >> K12LTSP in such a way that existing servers in a yum upgrade will be >> broken. >> >> http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/devel/squidGuard/?root=extras >> squidGuard source RPM contents >> http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/extras.shtml >> Anonymous checkout instructions >> After logging in use "cvs co squidGuard" then "make srpm" to pull the >> Extras .src.rpm >> >> Please verify that the K12LTSP squidGuard will not break during >> upgrade from the K12LTSP package to this Extras package. I suspect >> that the automatic nightly blacklist update scripts and the blacklists >> themselves may be different. >> >> I would do it myself, except I am trying to encourage certain folks >> here to become more active in the Extras project where we together do >> a better job of centrally maintaining packages. >> >> Warren Togami >> wtogami at redhat.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Sep 14 23:54:53 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:54:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using a terminal as a Jetdirect device Still working on the problem In-Reply-To: <20b805c20b4abb.20b4abb20b805c@texas.rr.com> References: <20b805c20b4abb.20b4abb20b805c@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <4328B84D.9050403@elp.rr.com> I have tried everything you have suggested and still can't get this to work. I feel that something in the dhcpd.conf file is the problem but I'm not savy enough to see what it is let alone fix it. As you also suggested I have attached both the lts.conf and the dhcpd.conf files so you can look at them. Thanks Pat Snippet: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: If you still can't get it working after all this, then send me a copy of your lts.conf file, and your dhcpd.conf file. Jim McQuillanjam at Ltsp.org -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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The problems I have (mostly because it was > assembled out of junk parts) are that there isn't a 1 to 1 > correspondence of keyboards/mice to monitors so it is confusing > and also that the the person watching them actually sits > back at a desk too far away to read the details when interacting. > > Things that might improve the situation would be to network > boot at least some of the PC's (thus the question about multi-headed > thin clients), and some way to run VNC to be able to grab any > of the displays onto a PC at the operator's desk, preferably > one screen of a multi-headed box at a time, which would be easier > to keep straight. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > I am assuming that each of these have static IPs. You should be able to write a script that will post the screens by number and allow you to select the number of the screen that will be displayed. If your computer is a Windows computer, this can be done in VB. If it is a Linux workstation it can be done in Bash using XDialog or something similar for the user interface. The code should be simple. ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Sep 15 02:49:33 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:49:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] hub vs. switch at eth0 In-Reply-To: References: <20050829134707.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.b19e951959.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <4328E13D.1010104@cmosnetworks.com> David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Monday, August 29, 2005 at 4:47 PM +0000 wrote: > > >>Why don't you just pull out the Realtek card and that will force the >>server to use the onboard NIC as eth0? Sounds like it is an old NIC card >>that doesn't play well with the Amer switch. I have seen before where >>certain NIC's were not compatible with an Amer switch. So much for >>standards. The Amer stuff is pretty low end networking gear and >>sometimes doesn't work very well. Is the RealTec NIC a 10/100 or just a >>10 Mbs NIC? Sounds like the Amer isn't doing a good job of autosensing. >> >> > >Don'ty blame the Amer Switch....I have a whole building full of them 50+ >ranging from little 5 ports to 24 port and gig switches....I also have >MANY C110W Amer NIC's. I have a schoolwide LTSP network (600 users) and >not one issue. Sounds like the network card may be partly to blame. Take >out the NIC and replace with another...try the switch again and then >see.....you can also try another Amer switch....it's possible you have a >lemon, but not to worry as it has a lifetime warranty. > > > I have, at last, successfully repro'd a variant of this with the SGR24, using K12LTSP 4.2.1EL, which I just installed the night before last. I got curious and tried a NFS install of K12LTSP 4.2.1EL on my laptop (a recent-model Dell Latitude, built-in 10/100). For some reason, doing NFS to my server through the SGR24 resulted in what looked like lots of drops and pauses, long enough for there to be some "NFS failure, still trying" messages on the client on VTY 4. Replacing the SGR24 with either an eight-port el-cheapo Netgear mini-switch, or the SR48G2i, solved the problem. I then tried a FTP install of SuSE Linux 9.3 with the SGR24, from the same server as above (it's running both the NFS server and vsftpd). The results were very different. It hauled total hiney. Then, I tried it again with another laptop (a newer Dell Latitude with built-in 10/100/1000), and it, too, worked perfectly. The only thing I can think of is that NFS is UDP-based by default (it still is on my server), and FTP is TCP-based and thus can re-transmit dropped packets quickly. It's kinda reaching, I know, but it's all that comes to mind at this point. But what about booting LTSP terminals? That's the interesting part of all of this...the LTSP terminals that I use, old, generic, beige-box Pentium-233's with 3Com 3C905 NICs of various vintages, boot with no problem--and quickly! This looks to me like a subtle timing issue with respect to certain implementations of certain 10/100 cards. Obviously, more testing is needed. More to come! --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From jam at mcquil.com Thu Sep 15 03:03:33 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Using a terminal as a Jetdirect device Still working on the problem In-Reply-To: <4328B84D.9050403@elp.rr.com> References: <20b805c20b4abb.20b4abb20b805c@texas.rr.com> <4328B84D.9050403@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: John, Can you pop into the #ltsp IRC channel on irc.freenode.net ? I can work with you interactively, and we should be able to get to the bottom of this. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, John P. Conlon wrote: > I have tried everything you have suggested and still can't get this to work. > I feel that something in the dhcpd.conf file is the problem but I'm not savy > enough to see what it is let alone fix it. As you also suggested I have > attached both the lts.conf and the dhcpd.conf files so you can look at them. > Thanks > Pat > > > Snippet: > jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > If you still can't get it working after all this, then send me a copy of your > lts.conf file, and your dhcpd.conf file. > > > Jim McQuillanjam at Ltsp.org > > > From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu Sep 15 03:50:17 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:50:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Creating a Single Installation CD for Red Hat/Fedora Distributions Message-ID: <4328EF79.1000306@stmarys-school.org> I came across the following article that some might useful http://linuxtech.cc/article003.php From carl at snarlnet.com Thu Sep 15 03:54:21 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:54:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Where are the Free Oregon Wallpapers Message-ID: <4328F06D.9070705@snarlnet.com> Hi, Somebody mentioned a repository of free Oregon themed wallpapers somewhere. I'd actually like to contribute some. Does anyone know where to find that? I'm yahooing my brains out to no avail. Thanks, ck From robark at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 05:06:06 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:06:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 Message-ID: I would like to let everyone know that I am finally finished a beta version of Fl_TeacherTool. http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ Please try it out and let me know if you like it. I hope it will work for everyone using k12ltsp 4.x but it's only been tested on 4.2.1EL. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Sep 15 11:21:30 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:21:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Some "community friendly" presentation ideas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sep 14, 2005, at 9:17 AM, JohnG wrote: > I'm curious, how did the presentation go? What was the reaction? > What worked and what didn't? Thanks! > Well, I had 32 computers that varied in brand and CPU booting to a newly installed 4.4.1 server. I had planned to have the whole group log in and "play" while I answered questions and talked a little about Linux and thin clients. I had 1 man show up. I was told to expect 30, and I had 1. He was already a Linux user, and came because, well, because if you see "Linux" in our local newspaper, it makes penguin lovers curious. So hardware-wise it went perfectly (never did solve the glx issue on the macs though) but I was lacking in attendance. Thanks for asking though, -Shawn From gkw-x at shaw.ca Thu Sep 15 11:20:58 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 04:20:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Swap eth0 and eth1 Message-ID: <4329591A.8050100@shaw.ca> Hello, I have an onboard 10/100 and a pci 10/100/1000 nic in this server. I need the 1000 to be eth0 to talk to the student pcs, and the 100 to be eth1 to bring in the internet. However, it seems to insist on making the 100 (onboard nic) eth0 and the 1000 (pci nic) eth1. How can I change this? Or can I tell k12ltsp to use eth1 for the student pcs instead? Thanks, Matt From rstewart at iccpartners.com Thu Sep 15 12:23:40 2005 From: rstewart at iccpartners.com (Rondall Stewart) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:23:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Swap eth0 and eth1 Message-ID: New to linux but I found this link on google that might help https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2003-October/msg00947.html Rondall Stewart Technical Team Leader ICC Technology Partners (606)886-8447 ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of gKw-X Sent: Thu 9/15/2005 7:20 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Swap eth0 and eth1 Hello, I have an onboard 10/100 and a pci 10/100/1000 nic in this server. I need the 1000 to be eth0 to talk to the student pcs, and the 100 to be eth1 to bring in the internet. However, it seems to insist on making the 100 (onboard nic) eth0 and the 1000 (pci nic) eth1. How can I change this? Or can I tell k12ltsp to use eth1 for the student pcs instead? Thanks, Matt _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4216 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lists at misato.us Thu Sep 15 12:44:55 2005 From: lists at misato.us (Jason Straw) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:44:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Many displays/remote control In-Reply-To: <1126641722.4281.89.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1126641722.4281.89.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <43296CC7.2070103@misato.us> Les Mikesell wrote: >This doesn't quite relate to normal k12ltsp use but some of the ideas >might apply so I'll ask here anyway. I have a wall of displays >monitoring a lot of remote network devices and services. These >are currently mostly running on multi-headed windows boxes. Some >of the software needs windows but quite a few are just browser >screens and some are already java applications under Linux. There >is a massive tangle of keyboards and mice underneath and it is >painful to sort out which goes to which display. So, is there >a better way? Can thin terminals run X multiheaded? Is there a >way to do VNC per screen on multiheaded boxes so an operator sitting >at a desk within sight of these monitors could yank the one he >wants to his own screen? I have enough old PC's to use one per >display but would prefer not to deal with the space or power needed. > > > MMM bleeding edge!... This can be accomplished with wine combined with a distributed multihead X server (the first link), and an OpenGL/glx parallelization program called Chromium (second and third link) http://dmx.sourceforge.net/ http://chromium.sourceforge.net/ http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~humper/chromium_documentation/LLNLcopy.html If you need to ask a few questions about it to me... I've been working at my university with a powerwall of 4x3 to put together all of the above. ( http://cs.highpoint.edu/~jstraw/powerwall.jpg -- large image ) Jason Straw From ramonklown at pop.com.br Thu Sep 15 13:12:11 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:12:11 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10041.200.222.204.120.1126789931.squirrel@popmail4.pop.com.br> It looks like a good tool for administrative activities also. Nice work, will test soon. > I would like to let everyone know that I am finally finished a beta > version of Fl_TeacherTool. > > http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > > Please try it out and let me know if you like it. > I hope it will work for everyone using k12ltsp 4.x but it's only been > tested on 4.2.1EL. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From wolfravenous at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 13:18:12 2005 From: wolfravenous at gmail.com (Steve Hampton) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:18:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] My YUM is broken, any suggestions please Message-ID: Hi Group, I have recently installed the K12LTSP 4.2 package at the begining of the school year and I did an everything install on the server. I had everything finally configured just the way I wanted. 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It's exchanges like yours that provide wonderful gems for those of us who don't know so much about what we're doing. I've filed that one away for the day that I screw up /home. Peace, Jimmy Schwankl +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Q: Why did the chicken cross the Moebius strip? A: To get to the other ... er, um ... ****This Message was sent through the Chatham County Schools E-Mail Server**** All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Thu Sep 15 13:26:36 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (James P Schwankl) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:26:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] your presentation Message-ID: <20050915132636.4827f3cd@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> Shawn, Just curious. How did your presentation go? Peace, Jimmy Schwankl +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Q: Why did the chicken cross the Moebius strip? A: To get to the other ... er, um ... ****This Message was sent through the Chatham County Schools E-Mail Server**** All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Sep 15 13:29:37 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:29:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] your presentation In-Reply-To: <20050915132636.4827f3cd@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> References: <20050915132636.4827f3cd@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <43297741.40003@inlandlakes.org> James P Schwankl wrote: > Just curious. How did your presentation go? See my last post to the list regarding the community thing -- it went... frustratingly. -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From ramonklown at pop.com.br Thu Sep 15 13:42:21 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:42:21 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] turning on / off Message-ID: <10033.200.222.204.120.1126791741.squirrel@popmail4.pop.com.br> Are there any scripts to turn on or off the client pcs via nics? Do all recent network cards accept this? (is there a list) Thanks From genfil at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 13:37:58 2005 From: genfil at gmail.com (Jean Phil) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:37:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] thin client with s3 unichrome slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/15/05, Jean Phil wrote: > Okay. > I did a little experiment. I added a hard drive to the thin client(the > one with the S3 Unichrome) and installed k12ltsp. In effect I turn the > thin client into a server. Actually it worked great(the display of the > server). The drivers of Fedora work great on the S3 Unichrome. > How can I take the kernel/modules/drivers of Fedora and make it work > on the thin client? > > On 9/15/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > On 9/13/05, Jean Phil wrote: > > > Do you think it will be best to compile kernel 2.6.13 and use it to > > > replace of the older kernel? Unfortunately, I am not too familar with > > > compiling kernels. Anyone can point me to a good tutorial? > > > > No I don't recommend that. Partly because I would be afraid to use a > > non-redhat kernel with a redhat distro. Also because you may also need > > an updated X server from Xorg. I would say wait for the next release > > of k12ltsp (about 4-6 months) or buy yourself some cheap supported > > video cards. I would also suggest doing some googling on this problem > > since you are probably not the only person who has this hardware and > > problem. Maybe someone has figured out an easy solution. > > > > -- > > Robert Arkiletian > > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > > From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Sep 15 13:45:45 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:45:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT-multiple admins Message-ID: <43297B09.8050705@msln.net> I have teachers that want access to some of the students folders for home work check purposes. I'm running the k12ltspEL version. Before I mess with folder permissions so I don't create a huge mess (700+ users), What would be the best way to do that? One of the classes is a basic C++ programing course, That is one reason I;m staying away from the email thing. -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From accessys at smart.net Thu Sep 15 13:55:49 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Some "community friendly" presentation ideas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, Shawn Powers wrote: > On Sep 14, 2005, at 9:17 AM, JohnG wrote: > > > I'm curious, how did the presentation go? What was the reaction? > > What worked and what didn't? Thanks! > > Well, I had 32 computers that varied in brand and CPU booting to a > newly installed 4.4.1 server. I had planned to have the whole group > log in and "play" while I answered questions and talked a little > about Linux and thin clients. > > I had 1 man show up. I was told to expect 30, and I had 1. He was > already a Linux user, and came because, well, because if you see > "Linux" in our local newspaper, it makes penguin lovers curious. > > So hardware-wise it went perfectly (never did solve the glx issue on > the macs though) but I was lacking in attendance. I think this illustrates the basic problem were up against. people don't understand the issue, windoz works (or so they think) and they have been brainwashed and FUDded into believing that the more money they spend the better product they get... In every discussion I've had with the average person the software was the least of the problems, convincing someone that what they had now was overpriced and underperforming is the problem, no one likes to discover they have made a bad decision or wasted money so as a matter of pride they will defend their choice in the face of all facts, or what happened to you, they will just ignore the issue. if we can solve that problem everything else is easy Bob > > Thanks for asking though, > -Shawn > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. 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URL: From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Thu Sep 15 14:40:12 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:40:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Swap eth0 and eth1 In-Reply-To: <4329591A.8050100@shaw.ca> References: <4329591A.8050100@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <432987CC.5000009@saskforestcentre.ca> gKw-X wrote: > Hello, > > I have an onboard 10/100 and a pci 10/100/1000 nic in this server. I > need the 1000 to be eth0 to talk to the student pcs, and the 100 to be > eth1 to bring in the internet. However, it seems to insist on making > the 100 (onboard nic) eth0 and the 1000 (pci nic) eth1. > > How can I change this? Or can I tell k12ltsp to use eth1 for the > student pcs instead? > > Thanks, > Matt > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > You can go to the /etc/modprobe.conf file and reorganize the module aliases. Or, you can do what I did (the not-so-smart approach) and just set the addresses for the cards appropriately for the networks you would like them on, and then find out all the flaws, like nat turning off (/etc/init.d/nat) and so on. I suggest you try the first approach. Angus. From ramonklown at pop.com.br Thu Sep 15 14:47:07 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:47:07 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] turning on / off In-Reply-To: <10033.200.222.204.120.1126791741.squirrel@popmail4.pop.com.br> References: <10033.200.222.204.120.1126791741.squirrel@popmail4.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <10062.200.222.204.120.1126795627.squirrel@popmail6.pop.com.br> I found out that I can do a wake on lan http://gsd.di.uminho.pt/jpo/software/wakeonlan/mini-howto/wol-mini-howto-2.html I just need something to turn a specific client off, and one to turn all of the clients off. Thanks. > Are there any scripts to turn on or off the client pcs via nics? > Do all recent network cards accept this? (is there a list) > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Sep 15 15:19:33 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:19:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is VERY COOL! Some great new features and the vncviewer piece works great! I have tested on both my K12LTSP 4.4 servers and it works fine. (0ne little thing though....if I click "users" to refresh the list....ones who are there will now show up twice in the list....a minor annoyance...never more than twice though) I love the "wall" message feature! Very nice work! Thanks! Now for a challenge....I run two K12LTSP servers in dhcp failover/load balancing mode...with a third Samba/LDAP machine for authentication and home dirs. Works fantastic except for the fact that now I have to use TeacherTool in two places....any ideas on how we might be able to set it up so that one TeacherTool can monitor both servers? Even possible? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From danhawkins81 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 15 15:13:15 2005 From: danhawkins81 at yahoo.com (Dan Hawkins) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Some "community friendly" presentation ideas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050915151315.69103.qmail@web53215.mail.yahoo.com> Ohhh Shawn, I know just how you feel, and I'm sorry to hear that. A couple of years ago I did a workshop on Thin Client computing during a "Tech Show" at a major school district here in Idaho. It was an all day thing were administrators and teachers milled around and went to various workshops. I had a whole classroom set up and was planning the same type of thing. Granted I was using a Windows based Terminal Services solution, but the whole concept is the same. Not one person showed up, not even the tech people. Talk about disappointing. I guess that has been just one bit of fuel that pushes me further along to not only question every technology decision made in regards to spending, but to question publicly the whole concept of technology in K12 schools in general. It's really sad, there ARE a lot of people out there in the schools that REALLY do KNOW what they are doing. The people on this list are a shining example. I've been watching this list for a couple of years now. But what's so sad is for every one person who knows what they are doing there are 10 who don't have a clue, and what's really sad is that most of those 10 are either school administrators or the general public who "try to be helpful." In the state were I am from there has been over $400,000,000 sunk into technology over the past ten years, and the state of technology in this state is inadequate at best. At one time I had visited (either myself or a member of my team) almost every school in this state and documented the level of techn! ology and people supporting it, and for every one person like the people here we left thinking WOW, they are doing really good (still need some work here and there :-) ), there were 10 schools we left shaking our heads wondering where did the money go? I don't believe the problem is really an Open Sources -vs- Microsoft or Novell or whoever else is out there. I believe it is a fundamental problem with how K12 education is setup and administered at all levels. I believe it is a total lack of qualified leadership that focuses more on the politics of education instead of setting standards, making intelligent decisions, and following though with a sound plan. I personally think it's a miracle that kids even get an education and I truely believe it's because the teachers actually teach. From what I've seen, what we call the Education system should not work. Well enough of my soapbox, this sort of hit a nerve with me and I could go on for quite a bit. For anybody out here I may offended, I'm apologize, but just like many on this list, I've been in the trenches and seen the follys of others. Once again, I'm very impressed with the level of expertise on this list, and Shawn I am sorry to read that that happened, I've been there too. DanH Shawn Powers wrote: On Sep 14, 2005, at 9:17 AM, JohnG wrote: > I'm curious, how did the presentation go? What was the reaction? > What worked and what didn't? Thanks! > Well, I had 32 computers that varied in brand and CPU booting to a newly installed 4.4.1 server. I had planned to have the whole group log in and "play" while I answered questions and talked a little about Linux and thin clients. I had 1 man show up. I was told to expect 30, and I had 1. He was already a Linux user, and came because, well, because if you see "Linux" in our local newspaper, it makes penguin lovers curious. So hardware-wise it went perfectly (never did solve the glx issue on the macs though) but I was lacking in attendance. Thanks for asking though, -Shawn _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Sep 15 15:53:05 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:53:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT-multiple admins In-Reply-To: <43297B09.8050705@msln.net> References: <43297B09.8050705@msln.net> Message-ID: By default, IIRC, each user also creates its own group for a primary group and they are also able to join secondary groups. Home dirs are usually set to 770 or some such thing and owned by the user and their primary group (usually this only includes that user). So all you should have to do is add the teacher to each student's primary group. This might be time consuming depending on how many students and teachers you have. Any scripting wizards out there care to give this a shot?? On Sep 15, 2005, at 8:45 AM, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I have teachers that want access to some of the students folders > for home work check purposes. I'm running the k12ltspEL version. > Before I mess with folder permissions so I don't create a huge mess > (700+ users), What would be the best way to do that? One of the > classes is a basic C++ programing course, That is one reason I;m > staying away from the email thing. > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msln.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From k12osn at siriusit.co.uk Thu Sep 15 15:50:08 2005 From: k12osn at siriusit.co.uk (Duncan Gibb) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:50:08 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Swap eth0 and eth1 In-Reply-To: <432987CC.5000009@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <4329591A.8050100@shaw.ca> <432987CC.5000009@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <200509151650.08446.k12osn@siriusit.co.uk> On Thursday 15 September 2005 15:40, Angus Carr wrote: AC> gKw-X wrote: gX> I have an onboard 10/100 and a pci 10/100/1000 nic in this server. I gX> need the 1000 to be eth0 to talk to the student pcs [..] However, it gX> seems to insist on making the 100 (onboard nic) eth0 [..] gX> How can I change this? Or can I tell k12ltsp to use eth1 for the gX> student pcs instead? It's easier, IMHO, to switch the network cards than to reconfigure all the services. AC> You can go to the /etc/modprobe.conf file and reorganize the module AC> aliases. Red Hat-based distros like K12LTSP are not always very receptive to this approach. You may have more luck editing /etc/sysconfig/networking/devices/ifcfg-eth0 /etc/sysconfig/networking/devices/ifcfg-eth1 and inserting/changing the line "HWADDR=AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF" to match the MAC addresses of the physical cards. You can get the MAC addresses from the first line of each block of output from the "ifconfig" command. Duncan -- Duncan Gibb, Technical Architect Sirius Corporation - The Open Source Experts http://www.siriusit.co.uk/ Tel: +44 870 608 0063 From robark at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 17:07:44 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:07:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/15/05, David Trask wrote: > This is VERY COOL! Some great new features and the vncviewer piece works > great! I have tested on both my K12LTSP 4.4 servers and it works fine. > (0ne little thing though....if I click "users" to refresh the list....ones > who are there will now show up twice in the list....a minor > annoyance...never more than twice though) I am not getting this behavior on 4.2.1EL. You mean if you click on "users" more than once you are getting the same user listed twice? > > Now for a challenge....I run two K12LTSP servers in dhcp failover/load > balancing mode...with a third Samba/LDAP machine for authentication and > home dirs. Works fantastic except for the fact that now I have to use > TeacherTool in two places....any ideas on how we might be able to set it > up so that one TeacherTool can monitor both servers? Even possible? I think this is possible as long as you know the hostname of the other server. My hope is I can modify the code for you David so that you can enter the other servers hostname in the input box so both the localhost and the entered hostname will be searched. I may not get to it till this weekend though. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Sep 15 17:57:56 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:57:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: References: < > Message-ID: robark at gmail.com on Thursday, September 15, 2005 at 1:07 PM +0000 wrote: >On 9/15/05, David Trask wrote: >> This is VERY COOL! Some great new features and the vncviewer piece >works >> great! I have tested on both my K12LTSP 4.4 servers and it works fine. >> (0ne little thing though....if I click "users" to refresh the >list....ones >> who are there will now show up twice in the list....a minor >> annoyance...never more than twice though) > >I am not getting this behavior on 4.2.1EL. You mean if you click on >"users" more than once you are getting the same user listed twice? Yes, but never more than twice...I wonder if it has something to do with the fact that I'm using Samba/LDAP...it shouldn't as the older TeacherTool works fine iin that regard. > > >> >> Now for a challenge....I run two K12LTSP servers in dhcp failover/load >> balancing mode...with a third Samba/LDAP machine for authentication and >> home dirs. Works fantastic except for the fact that now I have to use >> TeacherTool in two places....any ideas on how we might be able to set it >> up so that one TeacherTool can monitor both servers? Even possible? > >I think this is possible as long as you know the hostname of the other >server. My hope is I can modify the code for you David so that you can >enter the other servers hostname in the input box so both the >localhost and the entered hostname will be searched. I may not get to >it till this weekend though. That'd be so cool....I'm patient :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Sep 15 15:19:33 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:19:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is VERY COOL! Some great new features and the vncviewer piece works great! I have tested on both my K12LTSP 4.4 servers and it works fine. (0ne little thing though....if I click "users" to refresh the list....ones who are there will now show up twice in the list....a minor annoyance...never more than twice though) I love the "wall" message feature! Very nice work! Thanks! Now for a challenge....I run two K12LTSP servers in dhcp failover/load balancing mode...with a third Samba/LDAP machine for authentication and home dirs. Works fantastic except for the fact that now I have to use TeacherTool in two places....any ideas on how we might be able to set it up so that one TeacherTool can monitor both servers? Even possible? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Thu Sep 15 18:21:30 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:21:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Many displays/remote control In-Reply-To: <43296CC7.2070103@misato.us> References: <1126641722.4281.89.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <43296CC7.2070103@misato.us> Message-ID: <1126808489.8229.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 07:44, Jason Straw wrote: > > > MMM bleeding edge!... > This can be accomplished with wine combined with a distributed multihead > X server (the first link), and an OpenGL/glx parallelization program > called Chromium (second and third link) > http://dmx.sourceforge.net/ That's neat, but I don't need to merge the displays. In fact I have the opposite problem in that several boxes have several heads used independently by manually parking different application windows on them and it is hard to track which keyboard/mouse goes with each and which way to move the mouse for each screen. I was hoping for something like a vnc tool that could do a thumbnail of each screen and grab it on a different box on demand - with the added degree of difficulty of wanting to grab one display from a windows box that treats it as one big screen. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From rstewart at iccpartners.com Thu Sep 15 20:03:37 2005 From: rstewart at iccpartners.com (Rondall Stewart) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:03:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Logon question Message-ID: Is it possible for clients to login to the ltsp client with their Microsoft Active Directory login? Or do I have to maintain two sets of users? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 21:16:23 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:16:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ldap import existing linux users Message-ID: <9bd3175605091514163e185c2d@mail.gmail.com> Hello, This may have been covered but, is there any way of importing the existing users of a k12ltsp installation using the smbldap script on the same machine? (ie. keep existing passwords) Thanks, Peter From gkw-x at shaw.ca Thu Sep 15 21:34:55 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:34:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Swap eth0 and eth1 In-Reply-To: <200509151650.08446.k12osn@siriusit.co.uk> References: <4329591A.8050100@shaw.ca> <432987CC.5000009@saskforestcentre.ca> <200509151650.08446.k12osn@siriusit.co.uk> Message-ID: <4329E8FF.3090408@shaw.ca> Thanks your your input guys, I can't switch the cards because one of them is onboard. If that's what you meant? I tried what you said, and in the network gui it looks right after i reload the settings, but ifconfig -a still shows them wrong... I also tried someone else's suggestion of swapping the aliases in modprobe, and still same thing... I'm at a loss, it seems that no matter what I do, ifconfig -a reports them as the 10/100 being eth0 and the 10/100/1000 being eth1... Why would the report from ifconfig be different from what the network settings gui reports? Duncan Gibb wrote: > On Thursday 15 September 2005 15:40, Angus Carr wrote: > AC> gKw-X wrote: > > gX> I have an onboard 10/100 and a pci 10/100/1000 nic in this server. I > gX> need the 1000 to be eth0 to talk to the student pcs [..] However, it > gX> seems to insist on making the 100 (onboard nic) eth0 [..] > > gX> How can I change this? Or can I tell k12ltsp to use eth1 for the > gX> student pcs instead? > > It's easier, IMHO, to switch the network cards than to reconfigure all the > services. > > AC> You can go to the /etc/modprobe.conf file and reorganize the module > AC> aliases. > > Red Hat-based distros like K12LTSP are not always very receptive to this > approach. You may have more luck editing > > /etc/sysconfig/networking/devices/ifcfg-eth0 > /etc/sysconfig/networking/devices/ifcfg-eth1 > > and inserting/changing the line "HWADDR=AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF" to match the MAC > addresses of the physical cards. You can get the MAC addresses from the > first line of each block of output from the "ifconfig" command. > > > Duncan > From wescott at sc.rr.com Thu Sep 15 21:45:13 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:45:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] button-3 copy/paste no longer works in 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <432614FC.6080909@maltzen.net> References: <432614FC.6080909@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1126820713.5490.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 18:53 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > It appears Red Hat has, in FC4, moved from the Unix-style "highlighted > text is automatically copied into the buffer, which can be pasted by > clicking button-3 of the mouse (simulated by clicking the left & right > buttons together)" to the Windows-style "highlight text, right-click, > select 'Copy', move cursor to desired destination, right-click, select > 'Paste' method of copying and pasting. Yuck! Does anyone know how I > can change this back to the Unix way? I don't see this behavior ... what application/desktop/window manager are you using? From les at futuresource.com Thu Sep 15 22:06:07 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:06:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Swap eth0 and eth1 In-Reply-To: <4329E8FF.3090408@shaw.ca> References: <4329591A.8050100@shaw.ca> <432987CC.5000009@saskforestcentre.ca> <200509151650.08446.k12osn@siriusit.co.uk> <4329E8FF.3090408@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1126821967.8229.31.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 16:34, gKw-X wrote: > Thanks your your input guys, > > I can't switch the cards because one of them is onboard. If that's what > you meant? > > I tried what you said, and in the network gui it looks right after i > reload the settings, but ifconfig -a still shows them wrong... I also > tried someone else's suggestion of swapping the aliases in modprobe, and > still same thing... > > I'm at a loss, it seems that no matter what I do, ifconfig -a reports > them as the 10/100 being eth0 and the 10/100/1000 being eth1... Why > would the report from ifconfig be different from what the network > settings gui reports? I think the stuff under /etc/sysconfig/networking/devices/ and /etc/sysconfig/networking/profiles/default is used if present, and the HWADDR entry is used to tie to the NIC. Try removing those files (save them in case I'm wrong...) along with the HWADDR= lines from the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts files for eth0 and eth1, then reboot with the modprobe.conf entries set the way you want. Then you may be able to put them back in the GUI setup with the right cards. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From robark at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 22:15:38 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:15:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/15/05, David Trask wrote: > robark at gmail.com on Thursday, September 15, 2005 at 1:07 PM +0000 wrote: > >I am not getting this behavior on 4.2.1EL. You mean if you click on > >"users" more than once you are getting the same user listed twice? > > Yes, but never more than twice...I wonder if it has something to do with > the fact that I'm using Samba/LDAP...it shouldn't as the older TeacherTool > works fine iin that regard. It happened with me today also. I don't think it's LDAP. I think I figured it out though. Hopefully. Do me a favour and download the tarball again and recompile it. #make install should overwrite the older stuff. Even though it still says version 0.1 I made a small 1 line modification which SHOULD (cross my fingers) fix the problem. Let me know if it worked as I won't be able to test it till monday. Everyone else. If you already downloaded the tarball delete it and download it again. Thanks. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From shahms at shahms.com Thu Sep 15 22:22:47 2005 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:22:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Swap eth0 and eth1 In-Reply-To: <1126821967.8229.31.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <4329591A.8050100@shaw.ca> <432987CC.5000009@saskforestcentre.ca> <200509151650.08446.k12osn@siriusit.co.uk> <4329E8FF.3090408@shaw.ca> <1126821967.8229.31.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4329F437.9070400@shahms.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Les Mikesell wrote: | On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 16:34, gKw-X wrote: | |>Thanks your your input guys, |> |>I can't switch the cards because one of them is onboard. If that's what |>you meant? |> |>I tried what you said, and in the network gui it looks right after i |>reload the settings, but ifconfig -a still shows them wrong... I also |>tried someone else's suggestion of swapping the aliases in modprobe, and |>still same thing... |> |>I'm at a loss, it seems that no matter what I do, ifconfig -a reports |>them as the 10/100 being eth0 and the 10/100/1000 being eth1... Why |>would the report from ifconfig be different from what the network |>settings gui reports? Since hotplug is used by K12LTSP to name the interfaces on the server and hotplug uses ifrename if availible, all you need to do is create the file "/etc/iftab" with the two lines: eth0 mac eth1 mac And hotplug/ifrename should take care of the rest. The easiest way to ensure these changes take effect is to reboot after making them. For more details of the /etc/iftab file, "man iftab". - -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDKfQ2/qs2NkWy11sRAiLzAJ4ukpw6iU0AzHZKcd1qL162vkBuWgCgmgG9 An9iPTSjQrfAWULRYK3Y3AI= =Yral -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From les at futuresource.com Thu Sep 15 22:26:37 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:26:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Swap eth0 and eth1 In-Reply-To: <4329F437.9070400@shahms.com> References: <4329591A.8050100@shaw.ca> <432987CC.5000009@saskforestcentre.ca> <200509151650.08446.k12osn@siriusit.co.uk> <4329E8FF.3090408@shaw.ca> <1126821967.8229.31.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <4329F437.9070400@shahms.com> Message-ID: <1126823197.8229.50.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 17:22, Shahms King wrote: > |> > |>I'm at a loss, it seems that no matter what I do, ifconfig -a reports > |>them as the 10/100 being eth0 and the 10/100/1000 being eth1... Why > |>would the report from ifconfig be different from what the network > |>settings gui reports? > > Since hotplug is used by K12LTSP to name the interfaces on the server > and hotplug uses ifrename if availible, all you need to do is create the > file "/etc/iftab" with the two lines: > > eth0 mac > eth1 mac > > And hotplug/ifrename should take care of the rest. The easiest way to > ensure these changes take effect is to reboot after making them. > > For more details of the /etc/iftab file, "man iftab". Does this apply to everything with a 2.6 kernel? (I'm a little behind the times...). -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gkw-x at shaw.ca Thu Sep 15 22:36:38 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:36:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Swap eth0 and eth1 In-Reply-To: <4329F437.9070400@shahms.com> References: <4329591A.8050100@shaw.ca> <432987CC.5000009@saskforestcentre.ca> <200509151650.08446.k12osn@siriusit.co.uk> <4329E8FF.3090408@shaw.ca> <1126821967.8229.31.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <4329F437.9070400@shahms.com> Message-ID: <4329F776.9040800@shaw.ca> Well, I tried a couple of the things previously mentioned again, and it SEEMS to be working alright. I hooked my test pc up to the 1000 nic and booted it and it got to the login screen properly. So now if I can make the internet work with the other nic, I guess I'm home-free! I'm not 100% satisfied, because of the discrepancies with ifconfig, but if it works it works :) Thank you! Matt Shahms King wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Les Mikesell wrote: > | On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 16:34, gKw-X wrote: > | > |>Thanks your your input guys, > |> > |>I can't switch the cards because one of them is onboard. If that's what > |>you meant? > |> > |>I tried what you said, and in the network gui it looks right after i > |>reload the settings, but ifconfig -a still shows them wrong... I also > |>tried someone else's suggestion of swapping the aliases in modprobe, and > |>still same thing... > |> > |>I'm at a loss, it seems that no matter what I do, ifconfig -a reports > |>them as the 10/100 being eth0 and the 10/100/1000 being eth1... Why > |>would the report from ifconfig be different from what the network > |>settings gui reports? > > Since hotplug is used by K12LTSP to name the interfaces on the server > and hotplug uses ifrename if availible, all you need to do is create the > file "/etc/iftab" with the two lines: > > eth0 mac > eth1 mac > > And hotplug/ifrename should take care of the rest. The easiest way to > ensure these changes take effect is to reboot after making them. > > For more details of the /etc/iftab file, "man iftab". > > > - -- > Shahms E. King > Multnomah ESD > > Public Key: > http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc > Fingerprint: > 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFDKfQ2/qs2NkWy11sRAiLzAJ4ukpw6iU0AzHZKcd1qL162vkBuWgCgmgG9 > An9iPTSjQrfAWULRYK3Y3AI= > =Yral > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 22:48:00 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:48:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd317560509151548128620d6@mail.gmail.com> I love software that is exclusive to ltsp! Thank you. But I was wondering if this could be made to work with a password that is not the root's password. I'm not giving that up - heck no. I'm not the teacher who will actually use it. Thanks, Peter On 9/15/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 9/15/05, David Trask wrote: > > robark at gmail.com on Thursday, September 15, 2005 at 1:07 PM +0000 wrote: > > >I am not getting this behavior on 4.2.1EL. You mean if you click on > > >"users" more than once you are getting the same user listed twice? > > > > Yes, but never more than twice...I wonder if it has something to do with > > the fact that I'm using Samba/LDAP...it shouldn't as the older TeacherTool > > works fine iin that regard. > > It happened with me today also. I don't think it's LDAP. I think I > figured it out though. Hopefully. Do me a favour and download the > tarball again and recompile it. #make install should overwrite the > older stuff. Even though it still says version 0.1 I made a small 1 > line modification which SHOULD (cross my fingers) fix the problem. Let > me know if it worked as I won't be able to test it till monday. > > Everyone else. If you already downloaded the tarball delete it and > download it again. > Thanks. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Sep 15 23:09:24 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:09:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Some "community friendly" presentation ideas In-Reply-To: <20050915151315.69103.qmail@web53215.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050915151315.69103.qmail@web53215.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4329FF24.2040802@cmosnetworks.com> 1.) Print out this article. 2.) Address the higher-ups with it, using the "business goal" of top-quality education. http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid39_gci1124759,00.html The speaker is John Terpstra of the Samba Foundation, and I think his business logic makes a hell of a lot of sense. --TP Dan Hawkins wrote: > Ohhh Shawn, > > I know just how you feel, and I'm sorry to hear that. A couple of > years ago I did a workshop on Thin Client computing during a "Tech > Show" at a major school district here in Idaho. It was an all day > thing were administrators and teachers milled around and went to > various workshops. I had a whole classroom set up and was planning > the same type of thing. Granted I was using a Windows based Terminal > Services solution, but the whole concept is the same. Not one person > showed up, not even the tech people. Talk about disappointing. > > I guess that has been just one bit of fuel that pushes me further > along to not only question every technology decision made in regards > to spending, but to question publicly the whole concept of technology > in K12 schools in general. It's really sad, there ARE a lot of people > out there in the schools that REALLY do KNOW what they are doing. The > people on this list are a shining example. I've been watching this > list for a couple of years now. But what's so sad is for every one > person who knows what they are doing there are 10 who don't have a > clue, and what's really sad is that most of those 10 are either school > administrators or the general public who "try to be helpful." In the > state were I am from there has been over $400,000,000 sunk into > technology over the past ten years, and the state of technology in > this state is inadequate at best. At one time I had visited (either > myself or a member of my team) almost every school in this! state and > documented the level of technology and people supporting it, and for > every one person like the people here we left thinking WOW, they are > doing really good (still need some work here and there :-) ), there > were 10 schools we left shaking our heads wondering where did the > money go? > > I don't believe the problem is really an Open Sources -vs- Microsoft > or Novell or whoever else is out there. I believe it is a fundamental > problem with how K12 education is setup and administered at all > levels. I believe it is a total lack of qualified leadership that > focuses more on the politics of education instead of setting > standards, making intelligent decisions, and following though with a > sound plan. I personally think it's a miracle that kids even get an > education and I truely believe it's because the teachers actually > teach. From what I've seen, what we call the Education system should > not work. > > Well enough of my soapbox, this sort of hit a nerve with me and I > could go on for quite a bit. For anybody out here I may offended, I'm > apologize, but just like many on this list, I've been in the trenches > and seen the follys of others. Once again, I'm very impressed with > the level of expertise on this list, and Shawn I am sorry to read that > that happened, I've been there too. > > DanH > > */Shawn Powers /* wrote: > > On Sep 14, 2005, at 9:17 AM, JohnG wrote: > > > I'm curious, how did the presentation go? What was the reaction? > > What worked and what didn't? Thanks! > > > > Well, I had 32 computers that varied in brand and CPU booting to a > newly installed 4.4.1 server. I had planned to have the whole group > log in and "play" while I answered questions and talked a little > about Linux and thin clients. > > I had 1 man show up. I was told to expect 30, and I had 1. He was > already a Linux user, and came because, well, because if you see > "Linux" in our local newspaper, it makes penguin lovers curious. > > So hardware-wise it went perfectly (never did solve the glx issue on > the macs though) but I was lacking in attendance. > > Thanks for asking though, > -Shawn > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From gkw-x at shaw.ca Fri Sep 16 00:29:31 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:29:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Configs Message-ID: <432A11EB.8020103@shaw.ca> Hello, Alright now that the hardware config seems to be good I'm mucking with the software config. Namely user accounts/groups and access rights. It's an elementary school, k-7, with around 20-25 students per class. How do others set things up? I would think the best thing to do would be to create a separate account for each student, and then slot the students into groups by grade. That way each student has their own desktop, and I can control program access and such across an entire grade easily, right? Or more easily dump a set of files onto each student in grade's desktop for a lesson? So how would I do this? Doing it manually via the user manager seems like a nightmare... Is there another way? Also... How do I manage the menus? To change what each grade sees in their menu. And how do I restrict access to certain programs? For example, no student should be able to use irc. Or maybe only grades 5-7 (and teachers) are allowed to use office programs (just an example). Am I asking for too much? There are bits about user accounts in the documentation but I'm still unclear about the above. Thanks, Matt From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Fri Sep 16 01:14:11 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:14:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Segmentation Fault Message-ID: <432A1C63.4060801@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, Lately I've been getting various "segmentation fault" errors on my K12LTSP 4.4 system. I'm not aware of any power failures or any other disk problems, so I don't know what could have caused the problem. I did "touch /forcefsck" and rebooted, but when fsck ran after the reboot it didn't alert me to any problems. It simply ran its scan and then proceeded to boot up. What do I need to do to fix these errors? Any ideas? -- C-ya, Mark ____ On the new hundred dollar bill the time on the clock tower of Independence Hall is 4:10. From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Sep 16 01:19:12 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 01:19:12 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Configs Message-ID: <200509160331.j8G3VkP16434@downeast.net> it is pretty much about scripting..i guilt an smbldap script to set up for a fistrict so top level is staff..or students from there staff---school1 staff---scholl2 studebts-2005 students 2006 etc th homedirs are also segregated by school for staff and by year for students.. with icewm you can have global config...or script by personn orby year the specialized .icewm file tghat controls what they see..so withhin a directory you can ls > /tmp/file..gthen read that file with cat /tmp/file| while read bozo ; do cp .icewm $bozo chown -R /home/$bozo $bozo chmod -R 700 /home/$bozo/.icewm done something like that anyway...chuck > Hello, > > Alright now that the hardware config seems to be good I'm mucking with > the software config. Namely user accounts/groups and access rights. > > It's an elementary school, k-7, with around 20-25 students per class. > How do others set things up? I would think the best thing to do would be > to create a separate account for each student, and then sonelot the > students into groups by grade. That way each student has their own > desktop, and I can control program access and such across an entire > grade easily, right? Or more easily dump a set of files onto each > student in grade's desktop for a lesson? > > So how would I do this? Doing it manually via the user manager seems > like a nightmare... Is there another way? > c > Also... How do I manage the menus? To change what each grade sees in > their menu. And how do I restrict access to certain programs? For > example, no student should be able to use irc. Or maybe only grades 5-7 > (and teachers) are allowed to use office programs (just an example). > > Am I asking for too much? There are bits about user accounts in the > documentation but I'm still unclear about the above. > > Thanks, > Matt > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Sep 16 08:14:06 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:14:06 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] ldap import existing linux users In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605091514163e185c2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605091514163e185c2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <432A7ECE.1080306@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hello, > This may have been covered but, is there any way of importing the > existing users of a k12ltsp installation using the smbldap script on > the same machine? (ie. keep existing passwords) > > Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > There are a couple of script installed by the idealx stuff , if you look for the location smbldap-useradd (it might be in /opt/idealx) or use locate smbldap-useradd . Go to that directory and I think that there is a couple of script called smbldap-migrate or something similar. These are designed to do what you want I think. Lots of thinking in this email as I've not done it *grin* Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Sep 16 11:00:11 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:00:11 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Improving speed an availability Message-ID: <432AA5BB.5090608@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> I'm trying to improve the speed of our samba 3 servers also increasing the availabilty. At the moment we have a central Samba 3 server running as our PDC with an LDAP backend, this is running OK. We also have several other Samba 3 servers that hold thing like our shared area, Admin area & AVA resources. This is what we have in the [global] section at the mo [global] netbios name = sigma2 server string = Admin Area netbios aliases = sigma admin password server = rho2 password level = 0 workgroup = tangier username map = /etc/samba/smbusers security = domain preferred master = no local master = no domain master = false log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log max log size = 1000 socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 map to guest = never null passwords = no encrypt passwords = yes unix password sync = no dns proxy = no oplocks = yes default = global os level = 18 printer admin = @ntadmin, root, administrator load printers = no add machine script = domain logons = no ldap suffix = dc=portsmouth-college,dc=ac,dc=uk The problem we have is that when all the students try to login as the start of each lesson things slow down and the others servers timeout after 10000 milliseconds so the relevent drives don't map. During normal times things are OK. The severs are setup with security set to Domain and password server set to the PDC. What I was thinking of doing is setting up LDAP on each of the servers and setting them up as slaves to replicate the master server. I've read the section on High Availability on the MESD/K12Linux website and I was going to base the setup on this. I'd then configuring Samba one each server to use it's local LDAP as the password backend, effectively making each server a Standalone but with a common base for users & passwords. I think the [global] section of the smb.conf would look something like this [global] workgroup = TANGIER netbios name = shared server string = Samba Server %v max log size = 100000 security = user encrypt passwords = yes obey pam restrictions = No log level = 0 syslog = 0 mangling method = hash2 dos charset = 850 unix charset = ISO8859-1 passwd program = /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-passwd -u %u socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 interfaces = eth0,eth1,lo local master = no os level = 18 domain master = no preferred master = no passdb backend = ldapsam:ldap://127.0.0.1/ ldap admin dn = cn=Manager,dc=portsmouth-college,dc=ac,dc=uk ldap suffix = dc=portsmouth-college,dc=ac,dc=uk ldap group suffix = ou=Groups ldap user suffix = ou=Users ldap machine suffix = ou=Computers ldap idmap suffix = ou=Users ldap delete dn = Yes This would then give me 3 backup LDAP servers, a bit over kill I know but will hopefully make things zip along. This is just an idea at the mo *grin* Has anyone tried anything like this ? Can anyone see any problems ? Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Sep 16 11:36:34 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:36:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] /opt size Message-ID: <432AAE42.6010302@msln.net> I setup a smbldap server for the k12ltspel to run on with roaming profiles. My /opt partition data seems to be growing rapidly. I know that the profile directories are there, but how big should it get with the data in the home directory? I created the opt on it's own partition with 15gb thinking it would be just config files, was that a dumb move? Thanks Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From petre at maltzen.net Fri Sep 16 14:23:46 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:23:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] button-3 copy/paste no longer works in 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <1126820713.5490.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <432614FC.6080909@maltzen.net> <1126820713.5490.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <432AD572.60707@maltzen.net> Michael C Wescott wrote: > On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 18:53 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>It appears Red Hat has, in FC4, moved from the Unix-style "highlighted >>text is automatically copied into the buffer, which can be pasted by >>clicking button-3 of the mouse (simulated by clicking the left & right >>buttons together)" to the Windows-style "highlight text, right-click, >>select 'Copy', move cursor to desired destination, right-click, select >>'Paste' method of copying and pasting. Yuck! Does anyone know how I >>can change this back to the Unix way? > > > I don't see this behavior ... what application/desktop/window manager > are you using? > I get it under Gnome, KDE, and IceWM, running a terminal in each. Interestingly, I don't get this behavior if I come in via vnc. From shahms at shahms.com Fri Sep 16 14:37:19 2005 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:37:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Swap eth0 and eth1 In-Reply-To: <1126823197.8229.50.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <4329591A.8050100@shaw.ca> <432987CC.5000009@saskforestcentre.ca> <200509151650.08446.k12osn@siriusit.co.uk> <4329E8FF.3090408@shaw.ca> <1126821967.8229.31.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <4329F437.9070400@shahms.com> <1126823197.8229.50.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <432AD89F.3010607@shahms.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Les Mikesell wrote: | On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 17:22, Shahms King wrote: |>Since hotplug is used by K12LTSP to name the interfaces on the server |>and hotplug uses ifrename if availible, all you need to do is create the |>file "/etc/iftab" with the two lines: |> |>eth0 mac |>eth1 mac |> |>And hotplug/ifrename should take care of the rest. The easiest way to |>ensure these changes take effect is to reboot after making them. |> |>For more details of the /etc/iftab file, "man iftab". | | | Does this apply to everything with a 2.6 kernel? (I'm a little behind | the times...). I'm not certain, but I believe so. I don't have anything running a 2.4 kernel to see if interface renaming was supported back then or not. There are some notes in the ifrename and iftab man pages about when they have to be run, etc. My rule of thumb would be that it applies to any distribution that ships an "ifrename" binary ;-) - -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDKtif/qs2NkWy11sRAi8BAKCc1tfh72ah7J4vGaYEicH9NnmoBwCg0aS/ mjrR8bzeUm3nb7OV6LhuMUw= =LHeG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Sep 16 17:01:17 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:01:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] change IP address, script Message-ID: <20050916100117.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.50d8f51bd1.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Fri Sep 16 17:02:41 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:02:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Swap eth0 and eth1 In-Reply-To: <432AD89F.3010607@shahms.com> References: <4329591A.8050100@shaw.ca> <432987CC.5000009@saskforestcentre.ca> <200509151650.08446.k12osn@siriusit.co.uk> <4329E8FF.3090408@shaw.ca> <1126821967.8229.31.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <4329F437.9070400@shahms.com> <1126823197.8229.50.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <432AD89F.3010607@shahms.com> Message-ID: <1126890160.23914.46.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 09:37, Shahms King wrote: > |>For more details of the /etc/iftab file, "man iftab". > | > | > | Does this apply to everything with a 2.6 kernel? (I'm a little behind > | the times...). > > I'm not certain, but I believe so. I don't have anything running a 2.4 > kernel to see if interface renaming was supported back then or not. > There are some notes in the ifrename and iftab man pages about when they > have to be run, etc. My rule of thumb would be that it applies to any > distribution that ships an "ifrename" binary ;-) I poked around a little and don't see it on FC2 which would have had the 2.6 kernel (or FC1/centos3 with 2.4). It must have been introduced in FC3 and included in centos4. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Fri Sep 16 17:07:31 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:07:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] button-3 copy/paste no longer works in 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <432AD572.60707@maltzen.net> References: <432614FC.6080909@maltzen.net> <1126820713.5490.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <432AD572.60707@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1126890451.23914.57.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 09:23, Petre Scheie wrote: > Michael C Wescott wrote: > > On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 18:53 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > > > >>It appears Red Hat has, in FC4, moved from the Unix-style "highlighted > >>text is automatically copied into the buffer, which can be pasted by > >>clicking button-3 of the mouse (simulated by clicking the left & right > >>buttons together)" to the Windows-style "highlight text, right-click, > >>select 'Copy', move cursor to desired destination, right-click, select > >>'Paste' method of copying and pasting. Yuck! Does anyone know how I > >>can change this back to the Unix way? > > > > > > I don't see this behavior ... what application/desktop/window manager > > are you using? > > > I get it under Gnome, KDE, and IceWM, running a terminal in each. Interestingly, I > don't get this behavior if I come in via vnc. The right mouse or menu cut/paste is really a different operation with it's own clipboard. The highlight/middle-click snarf/barf mode should work most places too. I think what you are really seeing is that you don't have middle-click emulation enabled for your 2-button mouse under some conditions but I've forgotten what controls that. (How do you get along without a roller wheel anyway). -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From william at fragakis.com Fri Sep 16 17:25:09 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:25:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Accelerated Reader/Renaissance Place Message-ID: > > >> Wait a minute. I need to get this absolutely straight. Are you >> saying >> they told you you don't need Windows clients for the Web-based version >> of Accelerated Reader? >> >> They've always told me the clients HAVE to be Windows 98 or better, >> and >> HAVE to have .Net installed. I'm still upset about being forced to >> buy >> Windows 2003 Server boxes for Renaissance Place - this just adds >> insult >> to injury! > > We successfully took AR tests this morning in K12LTSP via Renaissance Place. We also have been doing all the admin functions without problem. There is some teacher functionality in Acc Math that, afaik, requires Win. It is Flash-based. We are running K12LTSP 4.4.x Regards, William Fragakis Morris Brandon Elementary Atlanta, GA USA From wescott at sc.rr.com Fri Sep 16 19:20:35 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:20:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] button-3 copy/paste no longer works in 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <1126890451.23914.57.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <432614FC.6080909@maltzen.net> <1126820713.5490.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <432AD572.60707@maltzen.net> <1126890451.23914.57.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1126898435.8685.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 12:07 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 09:23, Petre Scheie wrote: > > Michael C Wescott wrote: > > > On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 18:53 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > > > > > >>It appears Red Hat has, in FC4, moved from the Unix-style "highlighted > > >>text is automatically copied into the buffer, which can be pasted by > > >>clicking button-3 of the mouse (simulated by clicking the left & right > > >>buttons together)" to the Windows-style "highlight text, right-click, > > >>select 'Copy', move cursor to desired destination, right-click, select > > >>'Paste' method of copying and pasting. Yuck! Does anyone know how I > > >>can change this back to the Unix way? > > > > > > > > > I don't see this behavior ... what application/desktop/window manager > > > are you using? > > > > > I get it under Gnome, KDE, and IceWM, running a terminal in each. Interestingly, I > > don't get this behavior if I come in via vnc. > > The right mouse or menu cut/paste is really a different operation with > it's own clipboard. The highlight/middle-click snarf/barf mode should > work most places too. I think what you are really seeing is that you > don't have middle-click emulation enabled for your 2-button mouse under > some conditions but I've forgotten what controls that. (How do you get > along without a roller wheel anyway). In /etc/X11/xorg.conf or the XFree86 equivalent, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4: Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" Since Xvnc sets up it's own X server its options might be different. From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Fri Sep 16 19:32:29 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:32:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Authentication Message-ID: <200509161932.j8GJWWeq013060@mx1.redhat.com> Linux Authentication List, Please excuse me for my newbe question. I have a linux fedora core 3 Samba-LDAP server running in my network environment as a PDC to my windows clients. I am setting up a few fedora core 3 workstations and would like for the linux workstations to authenticate via the PDC. Can someone explain to me how to go about this or point me to the right direction? Thank you --mark From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Sep 16 19:43:38 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:43:38 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Authentication In-Reply-To: <200509161932.j8GJWWeq013060@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200509161932.j8GJWWeq013060@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <432B206A.2040207@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Mark Sarria wrote: > Linux Authentication > > List, > > Please excuse me for my newbe question. I have a linux fedora core 3 > Samba-LDAP server running in my network environment as a PDC to my windows > clients. I am setting up a few fedora core 3 workstations and would like for > the linux workstations to authenticate via the PDC. > Can someone explain to me how to go about this or point me to the right > direction? > > Thank you > > --mark > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see It's quite simple, on the FC3 workstations run authconfig, this will allow you to setup LDAP authentication, as your running Samba3 with a LDAP backend everything should be OK. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From rstewart at iccpartners.com Fri Sep 16 19:55:58 2005 From: rstewart at iccpartners.com (Rondall Stewart) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:55:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Authentication Message-ID: What about authenticating Linux to Windows 2003 AD -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brian Chivers Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 3:44 PM To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Linux Authentication Mark Sarria wrote: > Linux Authentication > > List, > > Please excuse me for my newbe question. I have a linux fedora core 3 > Samba-LDAP server running in my network environment as a PDC to my windows > clients. I am setting up a few fedora core 3 workstations and would like for > the linux workstations to authenticate via the PDC. > Can someone explain to me how to go about this or point me to the right > direction? > > Thank you > > --mark > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see It's quite simple, on the FC3 workstations run authconfig, this will allow you to setup LDAP authentication, as your running Samba3 with a LDAP backend everything should be OK. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Sep 16 19:50:09 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:50:09 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Authentication In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <432B21F1.1030605@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Mmmm, so you have a Linux Server acting as a PDC with Samba 3 / OpenLDAP, but you want the clients to authenticate against W2k3 AD. I have no idea how you could do that but I think it might be possible but not as easy as to OpenLDAP Brian Rondall Stewart wrote: > What about authenticating Linux to Windows 2003 AD > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Brian Chivers > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 3:44 PM > To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in > schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Linux Authentication > > Mark Sarria wrote: > >>Linux Authentication >> >>List, >> >>Please excuse me for my newbe question. I have a linux fedora core 3 >>Samba-LDAP server running in my network environment as a PDC to my > > windows > >>clients. I am setting up a few fedora core 3 workstations and would > > like for > >>the linux workstations to authenticate via the PDC. >>Can someone explain to me how to go about this or point me to the > > right > >>direction? >> >>Thank you >> >>--mark >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > It's quite simple, on the FC3 workstations run authconfig, this will > allow you to setup LDAP authentication, as your running Samba3 with a > LDAP backend everything should be OK. > > Brian > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Sep 16 19:35:49 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:35:49 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Authentication Message-ID: <200509162148.j8GLmHN12697@downeast.net> with winbind..i did this a couple years til we moved to ldap... > What about authenticating Linux to Windows 2003 AD > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Brian Chivers > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 3:44 PM > To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in > schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Linux Authentication > > Mark Sarria wrote: > > Linux Authentication > > > > List, > > > > Please excuse me for my newbe question. I have a linux fedora core 3 > > Samba-LDAP server running in my network environment as a PDC to my > windows > > clients. I am setting up a few fedora core 3 workstations and would > like for > > the linux workstations to authenticate via the PDC. > > Can someone explain to me how to go about this or point me to the > right > > direction? > > > > Thank you > > > > --mark > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > It's quite simple, on the FC3 workstations run authconfig, this will > allow you to setup LDAP authentication, as your running Samba3 with a > LDAP backend everything should be OK. > > Brian > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From rstewart at iccpartners.com Fri Sep 16 20:03:05 2005 From: rstewart at iccpartners.com (Rondall Stewart) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:03:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Authentication Message-ID: I actually have a different but similar question than the original post. All I need is when the users login they are using their existing Windows accounts. I really don't want to recreate and manage 1000+ users on the linux box. Would samba do this. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brian Chivers Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 3:50 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Linux Authentication Mmmm, so you have a Linux Server acting as a PDC with Samba 3 / OpenLDAP, but you want the clients to authenticate against W2k3 AD. I have no idea how you could do that but I think it might be possible but not as easy as to OpenLDAP Brian Rondall Stewart wrote: > What about authenticating Linux to Windows 2003 AD > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Brian Chivers > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 3:44 PM > To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in > schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Linux Authentication > > Mark Sarria wrote: > >>Linux Authentication >> >>List, >> >>Please excuse me for my newbe question. I have a linux fedora core 3 >>Samba-LDAP server running in my network environment as a PDC to my > > windows > >>clients. I am setting up a few fedora core 3 workstations and would > > like for > >>the linux workstations to authenticate via the PDC. >>Can someone explain to me how to go about this or point me to the > > right > >>direction? >> >>Thank you >> >>--mark >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > It's quite simple, on the FC3 workstations run authconfig, this will > allow you to setup LDAP authentication, as your running Samba3 with a > LDAP backend everything should be OK. > > Brian > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Fri Sep 16 20:33:28 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:33:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Authentication In-Reply-To: <432B206A.2040207@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200509162033.j8GKXWSw002216@mx1.redhat.com> Would have to mount the home directory before performing authconfig? --mark -----Original Message----- From: Brian Chivers [mailto:brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 12:44 PM To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Linux Authentication Mark Sarria wrote: > Linux Authentication > > List, > > Please excuse me for my newbe question. I have a linux fedora core 3 > Samba-LDAP server running in my network environment as a PDC to my windows > clients. I am setting up a few fedora core 3 workstations and would like for > the linux workstations to authenticate via the PDC. > Can someone explain to me how to go about this or point me to the right > direction? > > Thank you > > --mark > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see It's quite simple, on the FC3 workstations run authconfig, this will allow you to setup LDAP authentication, as your running Samba3 with a LDAP backend everything should be OK. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From les at futuresource.com Fri Sep 16 21:29:50 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:29:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Authentication In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1126906190.23914.162.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 15:03, Rondall Stewart wrote: > I actually have a different but similar question than the original post. > All I need is when the users login they are using their existing > Windows accounts. I really don't want to recreate and manage 1000+ > users on the linux box. Would samba do this. Using winbindd should let you use an existing Windows PDC or AD and domain accounts. Smb will do the same but only for authentication (i.e. you have to create local accounts but can check against existing passwords). You can pick these in the authconfig program. LDAP would be better if you have a samba/ldap setup, even if it is acting as a pdc for windows boxes. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Fri Sep 16 21:39:44 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:39:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Many displays/remote control In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1126906784.23914.169.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 15:47, Karolow, Mike [ITS] wrote: > Synergy is the answer. I use it at work and at home. Just install, > configure and you are good to go. http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ If there weren't so many screens, it would be great but these are too far apart. I use and like it on my desk at work and home too. For anyone who hasn't seen synergy, it makes two or more computers act like a multi-headed box with the same keyboard and mouse controlling all of them and gives you cut/paste capability across them even if they are running different OS's. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at gmail.com Fri Sep 16 23:47:16 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:47:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/15/05, David Trask wrote: > Now for a challenge....I run two K12LTSP servers in dhcp failover/load > balancing mode...with a third Samba/LDAP machine for authentication and > home dirs. Works fantastic except for the fact that now I have to use > TeacherTool in two places....any ideas on how we might be able to set it > up so that one TeacherTool can monitor both servers? Even possible? I don't have your dual redundant server system but from what I can imagine both servers have to have different ip's on eth0 so one must be 192.168.0.254 and the other (?) They both hand out ip's (alternating) so if one goes down the other picks up the slack. However, the problem I'm having implementing this is that I can't seem to figure out how to netstat the other server without actually going there with ssh. This long line in my code netstat -t -e|grep x11|sed -e 's/:/ /g'|awk '{print $9,$6}'|grep -v root|grep -v $LOGNAME|grep -v gdm|sort|uniq is used to get usernames and hostnames of the clients. I looked briefly at man netstat but can't seem to figure out if it's even possible to netstat your other server. If you could figure this out I think I could code it. Obviously you would have to test it. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Sep 17 05:20:01 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 01:20:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Authentication In-Reply-To: <200509161932.j8GJWWeq013060@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200509161932.j8GJWWeq013060@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: Same way you set up the Linux servers....run authconfig. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Sep 17 05:22:49 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 01:22:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Authentication In-Reply-To: <200509162033.j8GKXWSw002216@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200509162033.j8GKXWSw002216@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us on Fri Sep 16 2005 at 16:33 +0000 wrote: >Would have to mount the home directory before performing authconfig? > >--mark simply export /home via nfs and mount with fstab on the local machine David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Sep 17 05:35:57 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 01:35:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Authentication In-Reply-To: <200509161932.j8GJWWeq013060@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200509161932.j8GJWWeq013060@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: Mark, I'm not sure how you set up your Samba/LDAP box, but if you used the smbldap-installer and/or my how-to included in the documentation....you would simply set up another Linux workstation the exact same way you sould set up a K12LTSP server to authenticate and grab the /home directory from the server. I'm going to assume you are exporting /home from the Samba/LDAP server....if not...you can run the smbldap-installer script again and answer yes to the NFS export stuff...OR....simply add a line like the following into /etc/exports (First make sure nfs is runnng) /home 10.0.0.0/255.255.240.0(rw,sync) (use your own IP addresses of course) you can export to a specific machine or a specific subnet(s) then run exportfs -av to export the files Then....on the workstation side....run "authconfig" and use the following: The following pieces need to be selected (checked) (*) Cache Information (*) Use LDAP configure LDAP to show Server: 10.0.0.1 (use the IP of your Samba/LDAP server) Base DN: dc=vcs,dc=org (use your own values) *Note: Do not select Use TLS! On the Authentication side (tab) you need to select: (*) Use Shadow Passwords (*) Use MD5 Passwords (*) Enable LDAP and configure (just check should be all filled in) as above You should also edit /etc/fstab to mount your /home dirctory at startup....do this by adding a line like this (use own IP addresses) to /etc/fstab IP address is the IP of the server... 10.0.0.234:/home /home nfs defaults,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 then run mount -av to mount everything in fstab That's it! mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us on Fri Sep 16 2005 at 15:32 +0000 wrote: >Linux Authentication > >List, > >Please excuse me for my newbe question. I have a linux fedora core 3 >Samba-LDAP server running in my network environment as a PDC to my windows >clients. I am setting up a few fedora core 3 workstations and would like >for >the linux workstations to authenticate via the PDC. >Can someone explain to me how to go about this or point me to the right >direction? > >Thank you > >--mark David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Sep 17 06:59:58 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 02:59:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [MSLNTC-L] Student Laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maine School and Library Network Technical Coordinator List on Fri Sep 16 2005 at 10:59 +0000 wrote: >If later a machine is throwing off virus traffic we make them take it to a >private vendor and get it cleaned. >They must show us the work slip before we will allow the machine back on >the network With regard to the issue of folks bringing in personal laptops to a school network and possibly having a virus.... How about this idea? I'm somwhat confident it could be done.... Assume using a Linux server for DHCP. Using a multitude of tools....a script that would look at a log...and see "x" number of entries from a specific MAC address generating "virus traffic" (this would need to be known to some degree)...and thus denies the DHCPOFFER to that MAC address after "x" number of entries. (Something similar to the way a proxy server handles an entry with regard to TTL (time to live)?) Then....this "denial" would remain in effect for "x" hours before releasing and allowing another try. If the machine is clean...it'll get an IP address....if not...it'll be denied again. It'd be a cool way to take out the middleman with regard to having to monitor personal laptops and all. Ideas? Hmmmm.....maybe in conjunction with a firewall of sorts (remember we're talking internal networks)...but...here's the idea...in my paragraph above...the idea would be limited due to the fact that the machine would already have an IP address on the frst try...and would continue to have one until the lease expires. What about not only denies an IP address to the client, but also denies the currently assigned IP address access to the network for a specified period of time???? More ideas? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From marksarria at socal.rr.com Sat Sep 17 14:33:21 2005 From: marksarria at socal.rr.com (Mark Sarria) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:33:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Authentication References: <200509161932.j8GJWWeq013060@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <002501c5bb94$c14ab5e0$6401a8c0@digital1> Thanks for the tutorial, It is working fine know. Thanks to you all once again. --mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Trask" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Linux Authentication > Mark, > > I'm not sure how you set up your Samba/LDAP box, but if you used the > smbldap-installer and/or my how-to included in the documentation....you > would simply set up another Linux workstation the exact same way you sould > set up a K12LTSP server to authenticate and grab the /home directory from > the server. I'm going to assume you are exporting /home from the > Samba/LDAP server....if not...you can run the smbldap-installer script > again and answer yes to the NFS export stuff...OR....simply add a line > like the following into /etc/exports > > (First make sure nfs is runnng) > > /home 10.0.0.0/255.255.240.0(rw,sync) > > (use your own IP addresses of course) you can export to a specific > machine or a specific subnet(s) > > then run > exportfs -av to export the files > > Then....on the workstation side....run "authconfig" and use the > following: > > The following pieces need to be selected (checked) > > (*) Cache Information > > (*) Use LDAP configure LDAP to show Server: 10.0.0.1 (use the IP of your > Samba/LDAP server) > > Base DN: dc=vcs,dc=org (use your own values) > > *Note: Do not select Use TLS! > > On the Authentication side (tab) you need to select: > > (*) Use Shadow Passwords > > (*) Use MD5 Passwords > > (*) Enable LDAP and configure (just check should be all filled in) as > above > > > You should also edit /etc/fstab to mount your /home dirctory at > startup....do this by adding a line like this (use own IP addresses) to > /etc/fstab IP address is the IP of the server... > > 10.0.0.234:/home /home nfs > defaults,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 > > then run > > mount -av to mount everything in fstab > > That's it! > > mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us on Fri Sep 16 2005 at 15:32 +0000 wrote: >>Linux Authentication >> >>List, >> >>Please excuse me for my newbe question. I have a linux fedora core 3 >>Samba-LDAP server running in my network environment as a PDC to my windows >>clients. I am setting up a few fedora core 3 workstations and would like >>for >>the linux workstations to authenticate via the PDC. >>Can someone explain to me how to go about this or point me to the right >>direction? >> >>Thank you >> >>--mark > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dalen at czexan.net Sat Sep 17 20:46:18 2005 From: dalen at czexan.net (dale) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:46:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Many displays/remote control In-Reply-To: <1126641722.4281.89.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1126641722.4281.89.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <432C809A.6000806@czexan.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > This doesn't quite relate to normal k12ltsp use but some of the ideas > might apply so I'll ask here anyway. I have a wall of displays > monitoring a lot of remote network devices and services. These > are currently mostly running on multi-headed windows boxes. Some > of the software needs windows but quite a few are just browser > screens and some are already java applications under Linux. There > is a massive tangle of keyboards and mice underneath and it is > painful to sort out which goes to which display. So, is there > a better way? Les, Another approach might be to look into monitoring software that can poll various network devices or you could roll your own. This way you could minimize the need for many monitors. If I had this problem, I would look into writing a perl script to poll each network device at certain intervals and update a web page with a blinking red line if things are out of wack and a solid green line if things are normal. Clicking the line would expand or contract the details. Then you could have 1 web page with n lines that should all be green. If one turns red, expand on it for details. Thanks, Dale From bill.bardon at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 22:16:17 2005 From: bill.bardon at gmail.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 17:16:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Many displays/remote control In-Reply-To: <432C809A.6000806@czexan.net> References: <1126641722.4281.89.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <432C809A.6000806@czexan.net> Message-ID: <20050917171617.1df72b02@thinkpad> On Saturday, Sep 17 dale wrote: > would look into writing a perl script to poll each network device at > certain intervals and update a web page with a blinking red line if > things are out of wack and a solid green line if things are normal. > Clicking the line would expand or contract the details. Then you > could have 1 web page with n lines that should all be green. If one > turns red, expand on it for details. Sounds just like Nagios. (http://www.nagios.org/) I'm using it to monitor a dozen servers, Windows and Linux, all around town. Extremely configurable (and a little daunting at first), it can monitor all sorts of services and conditions. And you can check them all from a very nice web interface, and get mailed / paged when something's amiss. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Sat Sep 17 22:57:25 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:57:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't add second disk to FC4 Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I've posted this message to the fedora-list but seeing it's Saturday and the box is a K12 server I figure I may try here, too, for help!----------- So I've been poking around and haven't figured out how to add a second hard disk to my system that won't be tied into my existing volume. I have had several RH 7.3 & 9 systems that rsynced to a separate drive every night as my method of backup. Two times in the last 3 years I have had hda disks fail and just purchased newer bigger drives, installed them as hda with the lastest RH or FC1, and restored my shadow, group, ... homes and other configs to the new system. Each time this has happened I have never even needed to worry. Now it seems that with LVM the drives are tied together into a bigger volume. I don't want this. I want to keep them separate. Any whoo... I have just installed a second ide drive as a slave and powered up my system only to have a kernel panic after grub. The error I get is: Couldn't find all physical volume for volume group VolGroup00 Inconsistent metadata copies found - updating to use version 6 . . . mount: error 6 mounting ext3 . . . switchroot: mount failed: 22 Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! My disks are jumpered properly and the second disk (slave) was working in the same box with an old FC3 but was a member of the whipped out FC3 VolGroup00 Is there something I should do first? Thanks, Jim From bullet at sc.rr.com Sun Sep 18 13:26:50 2005 From: bullet at sc.rr.com (Tom Simpson) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:26:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Old, Creaky Toshiba 2100CDS Laptops As Clients? In-Reply-To: References: <20050706160039.BD67574219@hormel.redhat.com> <20050706174405.GA8405@majen.net> Message-ID: <432D6B1A.4030407@sc.rr.com> Hi: I'm an instructional technolgy support type with a smallish, poorish school district in South Carolina, and I hate throwing away old equpment that still has some life in it. We have a stack of old Toshiba Sattelite 2100CDS notebooks that were part of a "Classroom In A Cart" initiative from about 1999 or so that has fallen into a state of disrepair, with stripped carts, dead batteries and ill-maintained notebooks strewn across my dozen-plus schools like so many fallen soldiers. We are talking about K6-2 400mHz machines with 96 megs o' RAM...sounds like more than enough to work as K12LTSP clients, no? They were originaly set up to work with Aironet wireless PCMCIA NICs and have no wired NIC built in, so I pretty much have to go wireless or go with a wired PCMCIA NIC. I could set the 4gig hard drives up to kick off the boot process, but how that fits with the PCMCIA NICs, I have no clue. All I have at the moment in the way of PCMCIA NICs to play with at the moment is an old TI 10BASE-T card. Not what you want to end up with, but for testing purposes... Anyway, I was just wondering if anybody had much experience with setting up old laptops like this. TIA -Tom From petre at maltzen.net Sun Sep 18 14:31:04 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:31:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] can Mac Powerbook G3 netboot? Message-ID: <432D7A28.30809@maltzen.net> I inherited a Mac Powerbook G3, all black, 32MB RAM, 2GB hard drive, built-in ethernet port, with OS9 installed. I tried to make it netboot from my K12LTSP 4.4.1 server by holding down the N key during bootup, but it just booted the OS9 from the hard disk. What's the best way to turn this into a thin client? Ideally, I'd like to get a wireless card working with it. Do I need to make it a chubby client? Petre From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 16:25:37 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:25:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] The 5-in-1 network admin's cable In-Reply-To: <432D6B1A.4030407@sc.rr.com> References: <20050706160039.BD67574219@hormel.redhat.com> <20050706174405.GA8405@majen.net> <432D6B1A.4030407@sc.rr.com> Message-ID: <432D9501.3070603@gmail.com> While googling for a how-to/FAQ on connecting an /old/ laptop to an LTSP network using a null-modem cable, I came across this little gem (http://www.ossmann.com/5-in-1.html) and had to share it with you. Cheers! Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting From bullet at sc.rr.com Sun Sep 18 22:28:36 2005 From: bullet at sc.rr.com (Tom Simpson) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 18:28:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Success! Only, I cant get eth0 do right! (was Old, Creaky Toshiba 2100CDS Laptops As Clients?) In-Reply-To: References: <20050706160039.BD67574219@hormel.redhat.com> <20050706174405.GA8405@majen.net> Message-ID: <432DEA14.7030902@sc.rr.com> Hi: I did manage to find a boot image that allowed the old TI/IBM PCMCIA NIC to initialize at boot on the client and go looking for the OS...but I cant get the NIC at eth0 to tell the OS on the server what its IP address is. Or something like that. I have swapped it out once and neither card (a 3com and an Intel, both known good) will do right. I am typing this from a Windows partition so I cant check on just what the errors were, but if somebody could provide me with a primer on what to look for in configuring eth0, Id appreciate it. eth1, BTW, is the nVidia NIC built into the motherboard, and it seems to work find. Funny thing is, at one point it was showing up as eth0 and the PCI NICs were showing as eth1. Wierd. TIA From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Sep 18 23:21:27 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Micro Man) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 19:21:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Success! Only, I cant get eth0 do right! (was Old, Creaky Toshiba 2100CDS Laptops As Clients?) In-Reply-To: <432DEA14.7030902@sc.rr.com> References: <20050706160039.BD67574219@hormel.redhat.com> <20050706174405.GA8405@majen.net> <432DEA14.7030902@sc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1127085687.13449.11.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Are you doing a default install of K12LTSP? The reason I ask is that the default install uses two NICs. eth0 is set to 192.168.0.254, and eth1, which hooks up to the main LAN, uses DHCP. ISC DHCPD is turned on to serve IP addresses to any DHCP-using terminals. Tell us more about this boot image that you found. Is it a Rom-O-Matic image? --TP On Sun, 2005-09-18 at 18:28 -0400, Tom Simpson wrote: > Hi: > > I did manage to find a boot image that allowed the old TI/IBM PCMCIA NIC > to initialize at boot on the client and go looking for the OS...but I > cant get the NIC at eth0 to tell the OS on the server what its IP > address is. Or something like that. I have swapped it out once and > neither card (a 3com and an Intel, both known good) will do right. I am > typing this from a Windows partition so I cant check on just what the > errors were, but if somebody could provide me with a primer on what to > look for in configuring eth0, Id appreciate it. eth1, BTW, is the nVidia > NIC built into the motherboard, and it seems to work find. Funny thing > is, at one point it was showing up as eth0 and the PCI NICs were showing > as eth1. Wierd. > > TIA > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bullet at sc.rr.com Mon Sep 19 00:33:18 2005 From: bullet at sc.rr.com (Tom Simpson) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 20:33:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Success! Only, I cant get eth0 do right! (was Old, Creaky Toshiba 2100CDS Laptops As Clients?) In-Reply-To: <1127085687.13449.11.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <20050706160039.BD67574219@hormel.redhat.com> <20050706174405.GA8405@majen.net> <432DEA14.7030902@sc.rr.com> <1127085687.13449.11.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <432E074E.409@sc.rr.com> Micro Man wrote: > Are you doing a default install of K12LTSP? The reason I ask is that > the default install uses two NICs. eth0 is set to 192.168.0.254, and > eth1, which hooks up to the main LAN, uses DHCP. ISC DHCPD is turned > on to serve IP addresses to any DHCP-using terminals. > > Tell us more about this boot image that you found. Is it a > Rom-O-Matic image? I am doing an default install, and it has had trouble initializing the card at eth0 durning bootup as well. Should I try and go in manually to assign the above IP adress to eth0? Because it does not seem to be taking it during instalation. I suppose I coud reinstall the whole shootin' match again, but I would think there is a more efficient way to go about this. Perhaps a reinstall with the second card in place? I know this is confusing, but I managed to confuse myself rather badly when working with the two NICs, and then they flip-flopped at one point, which made things even worse. :-( As for the image, I stumbled onto the info here: http://www-personal.monash.edu.au/~johnm/weblog/linux/ This guy apparently had a similar problem, and found that one of the wireless kernals reshuffled PCMCIA initialization to the top of the list. From what I can tell from the client side, it is indeed kicking off PCMCIA early during bootup, finding the TI/IBM LAN, identifying it properly, cranking it up, and then going out and hitting the server for the OS. Nothing but a chain of green lights from NIC to hub to eth0, But, it runs into a wall when it hits that "dead" NIC in the server and the client spits out an error, then I get a kernal panic from that process trying to terminate. I think it would all work if that NIC at eth0 was configured properly. Thanks for everything: -Tom > > --TP > > On Sun, 2005-09-18 at 18:28 -0400, Tom Simpson wrote: > >>Hi: >> >>I did manage to find a boot image that allowed the old TI/IBM PCMCIA NIC >>to initialize at boot on the client and go looking for the OS...but I >>cant get the NIC at eth0 to tell the OS on the server what its IP >>address is. Or something like that. I have swapped it out once and >>neither card (a 3com and an Intel, both known good) will do right. I am >>typing this from a Windows partition so I cant check on just what the >>errors were, but if somebody could provide me with a primer on what to >>look for in configuring eth0, Id appreciate it. eth1, BTW, is the nVidia >>NIC built into the motherboard, and it seems to work find. Funny thing >>is, at one point it was showing up as eth0 and the PCI NICs were showing >>as eth1. Wierd. >> >>TIA >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.1/104 - Release Date: 9/16/2005 > > From gkw-x at shaw.ca Mon Sep 19 01:03:30 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 18:03:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Resolution Message-ID: <432E0E62.9010001@shaw.ca> Hello, A number of PCs were donated to the school, but some of the monitors are fairly old. When I boot up into k12 on them, once it gets to the login screen it goes black. I'm assuming this is because the monitors don't support the resolution it's running at. How can I lower the resolution for client PCs? Is there any way to lower it only for certain machines? Thanks, Matt From samps at unplugd.com Mon Sep 19 01:26:22 2005 From: samps at unplugd.com (Samps) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:56:22 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] Resolution In-Reply-To: <432E0E62.9010001@shaw.ca> References: <432E0E62.9010001@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <432E13BE.2030700@unplugd.com> gKw-X wrote: > Hello, > > A number of PCs were donated to the school, but some of the monitors are > fairly old. When I boot up into k12 on them, once it gets to the login > screen it goes black. I'm assuming this is because the monitors don't > support the resolution it's running at. How can I lower the resolution > for client PCs? Is there any way to lower it only for certain machines? > > Thanks, > Matt matt, In lts.conf you can specify the resolution and colour depth that each workstation should use. An example: [00:90:27:76:67:80] XSERVER = auto X_MODE_0 = "1024x768" X_COLOR_DEPTH = 15 means that the workstation with a network card address of 00:90:27:76:67:80 should try to start a screen in a 1024x768 pixel reesolution, using 15 bits worth of colours. There's many more parameters that can be tweaked an d the lts.conf has numerous examples in its comments. cheers Samps From edward at netday.org.za Mon Sep 19 01:15:48 2005 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 03:15:48 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Resolution In-Reply-To: <432E0E62.9010001@shaw.ca> References: <432E0E62.9010001@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Matt The file you need to look at is lts.conf. Look through the example modelines in that file for a modeline which sets the screen to 640x480. Unhash that line and hash out the 800x600 line, which is the default. Be sure to have only one modeline active. You can set the resolution for individual PCs. Check the LTSP documentation, which covers it nicely. cheers ed On 19 Sep 2005, at 3:03 AM, gKw-X wrote: > Hello, > > A number of PCs were donated to the school, but some of the > monitors are > fairly old. When I boot up into k12 on them, once it gets to the login > screen it goes black. I'm assuming this is because the monitors don't > support the resolution it's running at. How can I lower the resolution > for client PCs? Is there any way to lower it only for certain > machines? > > Thanks, > Matt > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Sep 19 02:29:30 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:29:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Success! Only, I cant get eth0 do right! (was Old, Creaky Toshiba 2100CDS Laptops As Clients?) In-Reply-To: <432E074E.409@sc.rr.com> References: <20050706160039.BD67574219@hormel.redhat.com> <20050706174405.GA8405@majen.net> <432DEA14.7030902@sc.rr.com> <1127085687.13449.11.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <432E074E.409@sc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1127096970.13449.20.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Sun, 2005-09-18 at 20:33 -0400, Tom Simpson wrote: > Micro Man wrote: > > > Are you doing a default install of K12LTSP? The reason I ask is that > > the default install uses two NICs. eth0 is set to 192.168.0.254, and > > eth1, which hooks up to the main LAN, uses DHCP. ISC DHCPD is turned > > on to serve IP addresses to any DHCP-using terminals. > > > > Tell us more about this boot image that you found. Is it a > > Rom-O-Matic image? > > > I am doing an default install, and it has had trouble initializing the > card at eth0 durning bootup as well. Should I try and go in manually to > assign the above IP adress to eth0? Because it does not seem to be > taking it during instalation. I suppose I coud reinstall the whole > shootin' match again, but I would think there is a more efficient way to > go about this. Perhaps a reinstall with the second card in place? > > I know this is confusing, but I managed to confuse myself rather badly > when working with the two NICs, and then they flip-flopped at one point, > which made things even worse. :-( > OK, time to get a little messy here. The first thing I woudl do is fire up the system-config-network application. You can do that either from the menus or from a terminal window. First, check under "Devices" to make sure the right IP settings are there for eth0. Then, go to thee Hardware tab and make sure the right hardware device is assigned to eth0. Save and close. >From a terminal window, as root, do a "/sbin/service network restart", and see if that fixes things. It should, but if not, then try the less- gentle way of (again, as root) issuing an init 1 and then init 5 (or just reboot). If that doesn't do it, then we get to do it the hard--but always successful--way and edit some config files. Actually, it's not that hard at all, but if the GUI way works, so much the better. Let us know. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It helps me keep them straight. shs From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Sep 19 03:47:58 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 23:47:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Local devices-particularly USB thumbdrives on IceWM (Gnome)...K12LTSP Message-ID: Hi, Anyone have USB thumbdrives working as local devices in K12LTSP 4.12 or 4.4? I've seen the how-to at LTSP.org, but I'm a little stumped as to how to get it to work with Gnome (IceWM). Essentially I can see that I need to add... to lts.conf... LOCAL_DEVICE_01 = /dev/hdc:cdrom LOCAL_DEVICE_02 = /dev/fd0:floppy LOCAL_DEVICE_03 = /dev/sda1:usb HOTPLUG = Y ALLOW_UNKNOWN_USB = Y Then...do I do this? **************************** Next, download the following two scripts and put them in /usr/local/bin [ http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/ltsp-4.1/LDA-setup.sh ]LDA-setup.sh [ http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/ltsp-4.1/LDA-shutdown.sh ]LDA-shutdown.sh if you use GDM: /usr/local/bin/LDA-setup.sh goes into line 3 of /etc/X11/gdm/PostLogin/Default /usr/local/bin/LDA-shutdown.sh goes into line 3 of /etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/Default I'd like to get this working, but I'm a little nervous to try it on my production servers without a little reassurance. I don't have a lot of spare hardware at the moment (need to dig some out) Has anyone done this? Got any pointers? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jam at mcquil.com Mon Sep 19 03:50:22 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 23:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Local devices-particularly USB thumbdrives on IceWM (Gnome)...K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David, For the hotplug stuff, like usb devices, you don't need to specify the devices in lts.conf. So, in your example below, you can leave out the 'LOCAL_DEVICE_03' line. Just make sure you get the updated scripts from the wiki. Also, what Scott balneaves and I are working on now will pretty much blow away all the old methods for doing this. More details on that in the coming weeks. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Sun, 18 Sep 2005, David Trask wrote: > Hi, > > Anyone have USB thumbdrives working as local devices in K12LTSP 4.12 or > 4.4? I've seen the how-to at LTSP.org, but I'm a little stumped as to how > to get it to work with Gnome (IceWM). Essentially I can see that I need > to add... > > to lts.conf... > > LOCAL_DEVICE_01 = /dev/hdc:cdrom > LOCAL_DEVICE_02 = /dev/fd0:floppy > LOCAL_DEVICE_03 = /dev/sda1:usb > HOTPLUG = Y > ALLOW_UNKNOWN_USB = Y > > Then...do I do this? > **************************** > > Next, download the following two scripts and put them in /usr/local/bin > [ http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/ltsp-4.1/LDA-setup.sh ]LDA-setup.sh > [ http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/ltsp-4.1/LDA-shutdown.sh > ]LDA-shutdown.sh > if you use GDM: > /usr/local/bin/LDA-setup.sh goes into line 3 of > /etc/X11/gdm/PostLogin/Default /usr/local/bin/LDA-shutdown.sh goes into > line 3 of /etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/Default > > I'd like to get this working, but I'm a little nervous to try it on my > production servers without a little reassurance. I don't have a lot of > spare hardware at the moment (need to dig some out) Has anyone done this? > Got any pointers? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ssanders at coin.org Mon Sep 19 04:19:10 2005 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 23:19:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't add second disk to FC4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1127103550.27800.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-09-17 at 16:57 -0600, Jim Christiansen wrote: > Now it seems that with LVM the drives are tied together into a bigger > volume. I don't want this. I want to keep them separate. Hi, I had a similar issue. I was trying to use Knoppix variants and it was choking on LVM. I was/am more used to traditional drive mounts, and haven't learned about Logical Volumes very well even yet. I was adding a disk to backup /home directories, and ran into the same problems. > Is there something I should do first? After the drive is recognized by bios correctly, I booted to Knoppix and used QTParted to partition/format the new drive as one ext3 drive. I then edited FC3's /etc/fstab to be something like (from memory, this is not exact) /dev/hdc1 /mnt/hdc1 ext3 auto,users,exec 0 0 The new drive is now available at /mnt/hdc1, and not (easily) accessible by the normal users. Now, I can backup to /mnt/hdc1, using LVM's designated /home and it takes care of the details. This is cool for a directory, but would probably be inadequate to keep a whole drive mirrored. To restore, I of course need a valid /home in place as recognized by LVM. -- Sc?tt S?nders From trond at mahlum.biz Mon Sep 19 07:25:53 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:25:53 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1127114753.6456.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> On fre, 2005-09-16 at 16:47 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 9/15/05, David Trask wrote: > > > Now for a challenge....I run two K12LTSP servers in dhcp failover/load > > balancing mode...with a third Samba/LDAP machine for authentication and > > home dirs. Works fantastic except for the fact that now I have to use > > TeacherTool in two places....any ideas on how we might be able to set it > > up so that one TeacherTool can monitor both servers? Even possible? I am also very interested in this, as I have five servers I would like to list its users. Another thing. I run a system for 2500 users and I am "root". The teachers are not root. Is it possible to make a "TeacherTool-junior" edition? I would like this app to be able to list users, send messages, run vncreflector for the schools students. It seemed to me that only root could perform those tasks. For us this is not TeacherTool, but AdminTool. But that is precisely what I need. I have been waiting for something like this for several years, and finally it's here! But can the teachers also perform some of the magic? Regards Trond Maehlum From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Mon Sep 19 09:38:59 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:38:59 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: <1127114753.6456.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1127114753.6456.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200509191038.59857.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Monday 19 September 2005 08:25, Trond M?hlum wrote: > Works fantastic except for the fact that now I have to use > > > TeacherTool in two places....any ideas on how we might be able to set > > > it up so that one TeacherTool can monitor both servers? Even possible? > > I am also very interested in this, as I have five servers I would like > to list its users. TTool, my Perl/Tk version of teacher tool does this; see www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-July/msg00564.html It's not as flashy as the new version by Mr Arkiletian and you must be root to run it, so really it is an admin tool. Also it is a vnc monitor not a vnc reflector, although I might incorporate this one day. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 09:53:27 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:53:27 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT - Many displays/remote control In-Reply-To: <20050917171617.1df72b02@thinkpad> References: <1126641722.4281.89.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <432C809A.6000806@czexan.net> <20050917171617.1df72b02@thinkpad> Message-ID: <96df2e0b05091902531e41db49@mail.gmail.com> I'm writing something like that now in PHP (so it's cross-platform friendly)... it's in an extremely early edition and I've not even published anything yet, but it does ping checks on all the servers in a MySQL table using the in-built sockets libraries. It feeds the data back into the same database, and there's a web page which displays all the results. I'm planning on creating a "plugins" structure, where you can push code to query specific servers to ask for specific results (e.g. File & Print server confirms that it has connected to the File & Print facility or SSH server allows incomming connections) but that's a way off yet, especially as I'm writing my own. If anyone wants to help with this, then drop me a line :) Jon On 9/17/05, Bill Bardon wrote: > On Saturday, Sep 17 dale wrote: > > would look into writing a perl script to poll each network device at > > certain intervals and update a web page with a blinking red line if > > things are out of wack and a solid green line if things are normal. > > Clicking the line would expand or contract the details. Then you > > could have 1 web page with n lines that should all be green. If one > > turns red, expand on it for details. > > Sounds just like Nagios. (http://www.nagios.org/) I'm using it to > monitor a dozen servers, Windows and Linux, all around town. Extremely > configurable (and a little daunting at first), it can monitor all sorts > of services and conditions. And you can check them all from a very nice > web interface, and get mailed / paged when something's amiss. > > > -- > Bill Bardon > COMPUTASSIST > Omaha, Nebraska > http://www.computassist.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Mon Sep 19 12:45:26 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (James P Schwankl) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:45:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: can Mac Powerbook G3 netboot? Message-ID: <20050919124526.3a4bca50@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> Dear Peter, Based on the specs you listed - 32 MB RAM 2Gb HD and the netboot capable comptuers listed here: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107686 I would say that it is unlikely the PB will netboot. The bronze keyboard PB's started at 64MB RAM and 4 Gb HD's. So I'd say the chubby client is the way to go. Peace, Jimmy Schwankl +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Q: Why did the chicken cross the Moebius strip? A: To get to the other ... er, um ... ****This Message was sent through the Chatham County Schools E-Mail Server**** All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. From les at futuresource.com Mon Sep 19 12:51:14 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 07:51:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT - Many displays/remote control In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b05091902531e41db49@mail.gmail.com> References: <1126641722.4281.89.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <432C809A.6000806@czexan.net> <20050917171617.1df72b02@thinkpad> <96df2e0b05091902531e41db49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1127134273.29547.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-09-19 at 04:53, Jon Spriggs wrote: > I'm writing something like that now in PHP (so it's cross-platform > friendly)... it's in an extremely early edition and I've not even > published anything yet, but it does ping checks on all the servers in > a MySQL table using the in-built sockets libraries. It feeds the data > back into the same database, and there's a web page which displays all > the results. > > I'm planning on creating a "plugins" structure, where you can push > code to query specific servers to ask for specific results (e.g. File > & Print server confirms that it has connected to the File & Print > facility or SSH server allows incomming connections) but that's a way > off yet, especially as I'm writing my own. > > If anyone wants to help with this, then drop me a line :) I'm using something called 'spong' because it was around back when I needed it, is written in perl, and has a plugin structure and is fairly easy to add custom tests. I'd probably go with nagios if I were starting today, but spong is still available and still works fine for simple tests, a grid display of red/yellow/green status, and notifications when value thresholds are crossed. http://spong.sourceforge.net/ There is a demo screen at http://spong.monsters.org/spong/www-spong Note the detail and history if you click the colored dots or a host name. It also has a concept of throttling the number of notifications it sends in a certain amount of time which turns out to be a good idea. I also use cacti http://www.cacti.net/ for graphs of bandwidth, cpu, and memory use. However, the reason we need so many monitors is for application-specific monitors for about 100 hosts that we need to see in real time plus a few for spong, cacti, and some network monitors. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Sep 19 12:51:41 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:51:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Spam help... Message-ID: <08E12B05-3E25-4459-AA05-33C17E97339B@inlandlakes.org> Would someone that is successful using spamassassin to filter most spam be willing to contact me offlist for some help? I've tweaked spamassassin, added rulesets (rulesdujour), lowered the required_hits to 4.0, and I'm still having 2nd grade girls getting junkmail regarding male pills... I have angry parents, angry teachers -- and I understand why! (Yes, I know spam is a fact of life on the internet, but I'm doing something wrong I think, because it's really ridiculous the amount that is getting through) I'm using: K12LTSP 4.2.1 as my mail server Spamassassin 3.0.4 (latest in the updates from k12linux) sendmail /etc/procmailrc (yes, I know not the most efficient, but I haven't had time to get a milter to work) RulesDuJour -- to get a ton of rules (I added this on Friday, didn't help much) I have not set up bayesian stuff -- because I believe that I'd have to get thousands of spam and ham to make it work -- and I don't have the resources to do that (resources = time). Is that my only chance to filter all the crap that's coming in? Should I invest in a 3rd party solution? Thanks for any insight, -Shawn From wolfravenous at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 12:43:45 2005 From: wolfravenous at gmail.com (Steve Hampton) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:43:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] F1_TeacherTool, creating launch button Message-ID: Hi List, I have recently downloaded and installed the F1_TeacherTool and it is a wonderful little app. I have run into a minor little problem that I can't seem to over come being a newbie and all. After installation when I type: F1_TeacherTool from a root prompt the program will not run, I recieve a command not found response. However if I type in the full directory path: /usr/local/sbin/F1_TeacherTool the program launches just fine but it does give me a warning in the shell window which says: warning, got duplicate tcp line. I have tried creating an alias in the .bashrc file and also a launcher icon on the Gnome menu both times using the full path name as entries but both of these attempts have failed. When I create the alias and the launcher icon and try to use them I get a command not found response. I am assuming that I have something wrong in my path configurations, but I don't really understand well enough to know what to do to fix it. I would just like to be able to make an icon on my gnome desktop menu that would launch F1. Thanks for any help. Warmly Steven Hampton Swain High School Technology Instructor -- Open Source, The Right Thing To Do! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at misato.us Mon Sep 19 13:15:47 2005 From: lists at misato.us (Jason Straw) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:15:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Spam help... In-Reply-To: <08E12B05-3E25-4459-AA05-33C17E97339B@inlandlakes.org> References: <08E12B05-3E25-4459-AA05-33C17E97339B@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <432EBA03.2060800@misato.us> I would go look through the spam/regular mail you're getting to find what the required hits count is normally where your spam/regular mail splits. I found at ibiblio.org where I have an account... the value was 0, but my personal account is still 4. I would also look at getting some VERY strong RBLs They'll block a lot of the sites. also, global blacklists of china and a few other countries help a lot. Jason Shawn Powers wrote: > Would someone that is successful using spamassassin to filter most > spam be willing to contact me offlist for some help? > > I've tweaked spamassassin, added rulesets (rulesdujour), lowered the > required_hits to 4.0, and I'm still having 2nd grade girls getting > junkmail regarding male pills... > > I have angry parents, angry teachers -- and I understand why! (Yes, > I know spam is a fact of life on the internet, but I'm doing > something wrong I think, because it's really ridiculous the amount > that is getting through) > > I'm using: > > K12LTSP 4.2.1 as my mail server > Spamassassin 3.0.4 (latest in the updates from k12linux) > sendmail > /etc/procmailrc (yes, I know not the most efficient, but I haven't > had time to get a milter to work) > RulesDuJour -- to get a ton of rules (I added this on Friday, didn't > help much) > > I have not set up bayesian stuff -- because I believe that I'd have > to get thousands of spam and ham to make it work -- and I don't have > the resources to do that (resources = time). Is that my only chance > to filter all the crap that's coming in? Should I invest in a 3rd > party solution? > > Thanks for any insight, > -Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bill.bardon at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 13:56:53 2005 From: bill.bardon at gmail.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:56:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Spam help... In-Reply-To: <08E12B05-3E25-4459-AA05-33C17E97339B@inlandlakes.org> References: <08E12B05-3E25-4459-AA05-33C17E97339B@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <20050919085653.2f5059d9@thinkpad> On Monday, Sep 19 Shawn Powers wrote: > I've tweaked spamassassin, added rulesets (rulesdujour), lowered the > required_hits to 4.0, and I'm still having 2nd grade girls getting > junkmail regarding male pills... Adding Pyzor to your setup should make a difference. I believe all you have to do is apt-get install pyzor and restart spamassassin. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From tom.allen at winthrop.k12.me.us Mon Sep 19 14:05:06 2005 From: tom.allen at winthrop.k12.me.us (Tom Allen) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:05:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Power outage - ldap stopped working In-Reply-To: <1127134273.29547.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1126641722.4281.89.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <432C809A.6000806@czexan.net> <20050917171617.1df72b02@thinkpad> <96df2e0b05091902531e41db49@mail.gmail.com> <1127134273.29547.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1127138706.4514.5.camel@rebel.winthrop.k12.me.us> Help!! We had a power outage and the server went down. Now ldap won't start back up. I am running FC3 (from the k12ltsp4.2.1 disks). I had the system check the disks at startup, and it found and corrected some problems. But ldap still won't go. Slapcat replies with "Slap_startup failed". Is there a utility for checking/repairing/restoring the ldap database? Thanks!!! Tom From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Sep 19 14:27:09 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:27:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool double users fixed Message-ID: Just reporting that the change did indeed fix the "double users problem" David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From gumprechtm at msln.net Mon Sep 19 14:21:05 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:21:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Power outage - ldap stopped working In-Reply-To: <1127138706.4514.5.camel@rebel.winthrop.k12.me.us> References: <1126641722.4281.89.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <432C809A.6000806@czexan.net> <20050917171617.1df72b02@thinkpad> <96df2e0b05091902531e41db49@mail.gmail.com> <1127134273.29547.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1127138706.4514.5.camel@rebel.winthrop.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <432EC951.8090207@msln.net> Try this, http://www.sleepycat.com/docs/utility/db_recover.html HTH Mark Tom Allen wrote: >Help!! > >We had a power outage and the server went down. Now ldap won't start >back up. I am running FC3 (from the k12ltsp4.2.1 disks). I had the >system check the disks at startup, and it found and corrected some >problems. But ldap still won't go. Slapcat replies with "Slap_startup >failed". > >Is there a utility for checking/repairing/restoring the ldap database? > >Thanks!!! > >Tom > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Sep 19 14:31:26 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:31:26 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Power outage - ldap stopped working In-Reply-To: <1127138706.4514.5.camel@rebel.winthrop.k12.me.us> References: <1126641722.4281.89.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <432C809A.6000806@czexan.net> <20050917171617.1df72b02@thinkpad> <96df2e0b05091902531e41db49@mail.gmail.com> <1127134273.29547.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1127138706.4514.5.camel@rebel.winthrop.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <432ECBBE.8060302@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Tom Allen wrote: > Help!! > > We had a power outage and the server went down. Now ldap won't start > back up. I am running FC3 (from the k12ltsp4.2.1 disks). I had the > system check the disks at startup, and it found and corrected some > problems. But ldap still won't go. Slapcat replies with "Slap_startup > failed". > > Is there a utility for checking/repairing/restoring the ldap database? > > Thanks!!! > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > If you have your backend set as dbm your OK if it's ldbm you might have an issue and this is what the smbldap-installer sets up. When was the last time you ran a slapcat -l filename ? We had a issue like this the other day where the ldap backend was corrupted. What I did was to stop LDAP, move the files out of /var/lib/ldap (I think that was the location it's set in slapd.conf Once the files were moved out I did a slapadd -l filename this recovered the backup. I then had to chown -R ldap:ldap /var/lib/ldap Then service ldap start was OK. I have a cron job that does a slapcat -l `date +%d%m%y`.ldif once a week to cover in case of things like this Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Sep 19 14:53:27 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:53:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Power outage - ldap stopped working In-Reply-To: <1127138706.4514.5.camel@rebel.winthrop.k12.me.us> References: <1126641722.4281.89.camel@moola.futuresource.com> < > <432C809A.6000806@czexan.net> <20050917171617.1df72b02@thinkpad> < > <96df2e0b05091902531e41db49@mail.gmail.com> < > <1127134273.29547.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1127138706.4514.5.camel@rebel.winthrop.k12.me.us> Message-ID: Tom....when I was on your server the other day I made a backup of the ldap database....I think it was in /root and it's something like "mybackup"? To restore...simply do slapadd -l "filename" (where filename is the name of the backup I made) Also...before doing that....make a backup of /home and put it somewhere on the hard drive so folks don't lose their stuff in the event that you need to run the smbldap-installer again and recreate the users by running the create-user script again. To do this..run something like... cd /home tar -czvf home-backup.tgz * This will backup the contents of /home into a file called home-backup.tgz (and it preserves permissions)....then cd /home (you should already be there) mv home-backup.tgz /root (or anywhere else you want for safekeeping) Now try the following.... First make sure nscd is off service nscd status (if not then run service nscd stop) service ldap restart (if it fails to start...quit here) service smb restart If all fails...go to next step... service smb stop service ldap stop rerun the smbldap installer...be sure to use the exact same passwords and stuff you used before Then reboot Next... service nscd stop chkconfig --level 12345 nscd off service smb stop service ldap stop run slapadd -l "filename" (where filename is the name of the backup I made) Now....if you have permission issues...we can fix that quickly with a script like this... in the terminal as root.... gedit fix-perms then paste this into it !#/bin/bash for x in `ls /home`; do echo "Doing $x ..." cd /home/{$x} chown -R ${x}:513 * echo "I have changed the permissions for ${x} done Then close gedit and then make the file executable chmod a+x fix-perms to run it simply do... . fix-perms Keep me posted! "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Mon Sep 19 2005 at 10:05 +0000 wrote: >Help!! > >We had a power outage and the server went down. Now ldap won't start >back up. I am running FC3 (from the k12ltsp4.2.1 disks). I had the >system check the disks at startup, and it found and corrected some >problems. But ldap still won't go. Slapcat replies with "Slap_startup >failed". > >Is there a utility for checking/repairing/restoring the ldap database? > >Thanks!!! > >Tom David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Sep 19 14:57:48 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:57:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Power outage - ldap stopped working In-Reply-To: <432ECBBE.8060302@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <1126641722.4281.89.camel@moola.futuresource.com> < > <432C809A.6000806@czexan.net> < > <20050917171617.1df72b02@thinkpad> < > <96df2e0b05091902531e41db49@mail.gmail.com> < > <1127134273.29547.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <1127138706.4514.5.camel@rebel.winthrop.k12.me.us> <432ECBBE.8060302@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: Tom...append this to what I already posted....forgot the deleting of files in /var/lib/ldap and the "chown -R ldap:ldap /var/lib/ldap" at the end. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Mon Sep 19 2005 at 10:31 +0000 wrote: >If you have your backend set as dbm your OK if it's ldbm you might have >an issue and this is what >the smbldap-installer sets up. > >When was the last time you ran a slapcat -l filename ? I did that for you last week > > >We had a issue like this the other day where the ldap backend was >corrupted. What I did was to stop >LDAP, move the files out of /var/lib/ldap (I think that was the location >it's set in slapd.conf > >Once the files were moved out I did a slapadd -l filename this recovered >the backup. I then had to >chown -R ldap:ldap /var/lib/ldap David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From rfreidel at computergeex.com Mon Sep 19 14:38:44 2005 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:38:44 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Spam help... Message-ID: <20050919.C3A.13463300@mail.computergeex.com> We recently began to use the spam filter at usinternet.com, on our mail server I am using spamassassin, qmailfilter, qmailscanner, and clamav. Even then sometimes around 20 emails would be marked as spam, but they would still get through. Since we started using usinternet.com there are only abot 10 spams a day that get through their scanner, our server can easily deal with that many and it does, we no longer have spam at all. Now our servers resources can be used elsewhere instead of having to deal with spam. I do not work for or sell usinternet services and I did not stay at a holiday inn express last night, just a happy spam free customer. -- Ron Freidel Sys Admin Computer Geex, Inc. (406) 491-3378 From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Sep 19 15:04:32 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:04:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Power outage - ldap stopped working In-Reply-To: <20050919145118.39BE073162@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050919145118.39BE073162@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <432ED380.6020800@honeygroveisd.net> > Help!! > >We had a power outage and the server went down. Now ldap won't start >back up. I am running FC3 (from the k12ltsp4.2.1 disks). I had the >system check the disks at startup, and it found and corrected some >problems. But ldap still won't go. Slapcat replies with "Slap_startup >failed". > >Is there a utility for checking/repairing/restoring the ldap database? > >Thanks!!! > >Tom > > This always works for me when that happens.: # /etc/init.d/ldap stop # db_recover -eh /var/lib/ldap # chown ldap:ldap /var/lib/ldap/__* # /etc/init.d/ldap start C-ya, Mark ____ "Why not go out on a limb? That's where the fruit is." -- Mark Twain From ollenotna2000 at yahoo.it Mon Sep 19 16:16:38 2005 From: ollenotna2000 at yahoo.it (Antonello Facchetti) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:16:38 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] migration question - nfs freezing? In-Reply-To: <43297741.40003@inlandlakes.org> References: <20050915132636.4827f3cd@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> <43297741.40003@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <432EE466.1040308@yahoo.it> I'm migrating my server to k12ltsp 4.2.1 (fc3), from a previous 4.0.1 (fc1). The server has got a new gigabit nic for the terminal and a fast nic for the network outside. I did a standard installation (no tweaking at all, just set ip addresses) When I try to connect a client this is correctly recognized, it gets it's ip address from dhcp but it freezes after this message: mounting root filesystem from /opt/ltsp/i386 doing the pivot_root nfs: server 192.168.1.254 not responding. trying again meanwhile /var/log/messages in the server says: rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from 192.168.1.7 (/opt/ltsp/i386) I suppose it's a problem with nfs, but I have touched nothing in the server (as i said, a smooth standard install) I thought it might be a problem with gigabit nic, but the net works (dhcp did his work). Nfs is running as a service Did I forget anything? tia Antonello From ramonklown at pop.com.br Mon Sep 19 16:26:34 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:26:34 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [MSLNTC-L] Student Laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10059.200.222.204.22.1127147194.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> Something that would be cool is the 100 dollar laptop that MIT is talking with the Brazilian Government about producing it here. It would cost cheaper and it would be more accessible to the Ocidental countries and the Asian/Indian Market also. http://laptop.media.mit.edu While this is not possible yet, I suggest a lan with LDAP authentication. Virus dosen't exist in Linux, you just need to follow the internet security principals and you will be set. Peace > Maine School and Library Network Technical Coordinator List > on Fri Sep 16 2005 at 10:59 +0000 wrote: >>If later a machine is throwing off virus traffic we make them take it to a >>private vendor and get it cleaned. >>They must show us the work slip before we will allow the machine back on >>the network > > With regard to the issue of folks bringing in personal laptops to a school > network and possibly having a virus.... > > How about this idea? I'm somwhat confident it could be done.... > > Assume using a Linux server for DHCP. Using a multitude of tools....a > script that would look at a log...and see "x" number of entries from a > specific MAC address generating "virus traffic" (this would need to be > known to some degree)...and thus denies the DHCPOFFER to that MAC address > after "x" number of entries. (Something similar to the way a proxy server > handles an entry with regard to TTL (time to live)?) Then....this > "denial" would remain in effect for "x" hours before releasing and > allowing another try. If the machine is clean...it'll get an IP > address....if not...it'll be denied again. It'd be a cool way to take out > the middleman with regard to having to monitor personal laptops and all. > > Ideas? > > Hmmmm.....maybe in conjunction with a firewall of sorts (remember we're > talking internal networks)...but...here's the idea...in my paragraph > above...the idea would be limited due to the fact that the machine would > already have an IP address on the frst try...and would continue to have > one until the lease expires. What about not only denies an IP address to > the client, but also denies the currently assigned IP address access to > the network for a specified period of time???? > > More ideas? > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From petre at maltzen.net Mon Sep 19 16:52:26 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:52:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] migration question - nfs freezing? In-Reply-To: <432EE466.1040308@yahoo.it> References: <20050915132636.4827f3cd@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> <43297741.40003@inlandlakes.org> <432EE466.1040308@yahoo.it> Message-ID: <432EECCA.7070108@maltzen.net> I had a similar problem with an older client that was running an ISA 3Com NIC over coax. Jim McQuillan pointed me to http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS to fix the problem. Also, this past weekend, I tried out an old 486 with a PCI NIC (with a RealTek 8139 chip) that had similar symptoms when it was connected to my 100Mbit switch. I moved it to an old 10Mbit hub, which then had an upstream link to the 100Mbit switch to which the server was connected, and then it worked fine. HTH Petre Antonello Facchetti wrote: > I'm migrating my server to k12ltsp 4.2.1 (fc3), from a previous 4.0.1 > (fc1). > The server has got a new gigabit nic for the terminal and a fast nic for > the network outside. > I did a standard installation (no tweaking at all, just set ip addresses) > When I try to connect a client this is correctly recognized, it gets > it's ip address from dhcp but it freezes after this message: > > mounting root filesystem from /opt/ltsp/i386 > doing the pivot_root > nfs: server 192.168.1.254 not responding. trying again > > meanwhile /var/log/messages in the server says: > > rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from 192.168.1.7 (/opt/ltsp/i386) > > I suppose it's a problem with nfs, but I have touched nothing in the > server (as i said, a smooth standard install) > > I thought it might be a problem with gigabit nic, but the net works > (dhcp did his work). > > Nfs is running as a service > > Did I forget anything? > > tia > Antonello > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 16:52:32 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:52:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] F1_TeacherTool, creating launch button In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/19/05, Steve Hampton wrote: > > Hi List, > I have recently downloaded and installed the F1_TeacherTool and it is a > wonderful little app. I have run into a minor little problem that I can't > seem to over come being a newbie and all. After installation when I type: > F1_TeacherTool > from a root prompt the program will not run, I recieve a command not found > response. However if I type in the full directory path: > /usr/local/sbin/F1_TeacherTool > the program launches just fine but it does give me a warning in the shell > window which says: > warning, got duplicate tcp line. > I have tried creating an alias in the .bashrc file and also a launcher icon > on the Gnome menu both times using the full path name as entries but both of > these attempts have failed. When I create the alias and the launcher icon > and try to use them I get a command not found response. I am assuming that I > have something wrong in my path configurations, but I don't really > understand well enough to know what to do to fix it. I would just like to > be able to make an icon on my gnome desktop menu that would launch F1. > Thanks for any help. Easy answer. It's Fl_ not F1_ . I decided to call it Fl_TeacherTool because I did not want it to be confused with the original TeacherTool and I also wanted people to know that I was using FLTK . Also if you dowloaded it the first day I released it (last week thursday) try downloading it again as I fixed a bug which caused users to show up more than once. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 16:59:58 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:59:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Fl_TeacherTool double users fixed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/19/05, David Trask wrote: > Just reporting that the change did indeed fix the "double users problem" Thanks David. I'm still thinking about how to solve the multiple server problem. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From petre at maltzen.net Mon Sep 19 17:04:22 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:04:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] migration question - nfs freezing? In-Reply-To: <432EECCA.7070108@maltzen.net> References: <20050915132636.4827f3cd@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> <43297741.40003@inlandlakes.org> <432EE466.1040308@yahoo.it> <432EECCA.7070108@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <432EEF96.8060408@maltzen.net> I should add that the lines suggested by the wiki page Jim referred me to were necessary for both of my troublesome clients. Petre Scheie wrote: > I had a similar problem with an older client that was running an ISA > 3Com NIC over coax. Jim McQuillan pointed me to > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS to fix the problem. Also, > this past weekend, I tried out an old 486 with a PCI NIC (with a RealTek > 8139 chip) that had similar symptoms when it was connected to my 100Mbit > switch. I moved it to an old 10Mbit hub, which then had an upstream > link to the 100Mbit switch to which the server was connected, and then > it worked fine. HTH > > Petre > > Antonello Facchetti wrote: > >> I'm migrating my server to k12ltsp 4.2.1 (fc3), from a previous 4.0.1 >> (fc1). >> The server has got a new gigabit nic for the terminal and a fast nic >> for the network outside. >> I did a standard installation (no tweaking at all, just set ip addresses) >> When I try to connect a client this is correctly recognized, it gets >> it's ip address from dhcp but it freezes after this message: >> >> mounting root filesystem from /opt/ltsp/i386 >> doing the pivot_root >> nfs: server 192.168.1.254 not responding. trying again >> >> meanwhile /var/log/messages in the server says: >> >> rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from 192.168.1.7 (/opt/ltsp/i386) >> >> I suppose it's a problem with nfs, but I have touched nothing in the >> server (as i said, a smooth standard install) >> >> I thought it might be a problem with gigabit nic, but the net works >> (dhcp did his work). >> >> Nfs is running as a service >> >> Did I forget anything? >> >> tia >> Antonello >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 19 17:19:07 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] remote home directories In-Reply-To: <43205AA7.9080300@remc1.org> Message-ID: <20050919171907.92030.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is a new program called tsync, which is supposed to do what rsync does, but it does it automatically. When one directory/file is updated, that directory/file is automatically updated on other machines. http://tsyncd.sourceforge.net/ It was developed by a college student and won some contest that Google was sponsoring for the development of open source software. -Rob --- Scott Sherrill wrote: > Brandon Kovach wrote: > > >I don't know anything about NIS, but I can learn. > > > >I was originally trying to authenticate to my > Netware server, but couldn't > >make NCPFS work correctly. At one point I had it > working ... kinda ... > >but it blocked everyone else from the servers. All > of them. I decided > >that I had enough time in that one and had done > enough damage that I > >needed to move on to another solution for now. > > > > > > > > > Brandon - > > To give you another alternative, I created a poor > man's nis system using > ssh and the followin script: > > > #!/bin/sh > > /usr/bin/rsync -p -e ssh /etc/passwd $1:/etc/passwd > /usr/bin/rsync -p -e ssh /etc/shadow $1:/etc/shadow > /usr/bin/rsync -p -e ssh /etc/group $1:/etc/group > > > the script is run from the main password server by > cron (every 5min) and > is called with the following command: > > pushpass clientserver > > > > then I exported a ssh key from my main password > server to each of my > client servers (so I don't need to login with a > password). > > So I have 1 server machine, and 5 ltsp servers. > When a user is created > on the main server, 5 min later they show up on all > the ltsp servers. > > The reason I did it this way? NIS is great - does > everything I did > above and more, but from any nis client machine if > you do a "ypcat passwd" > > you get the password hash: > scott:$1$Kj3gj3Yd$.jx34285SE6N.Ipp1nP1/Q91:2575:825:..... > > short time from there for a student to crack that > invidual pwd. > > The way I'd do it with the time? ldap. But the > above works for me. > > Just another alternative to chew on. > > Scott > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Sep 19 18:12:18 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:12:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Password Changes Message-ID: <432EFF82.4060707@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, I've got a question regarding Linux/Windows password synchronization. I've got my Samba/LDAP PDC set up so that passwords expire after two months. When a user logs onto a Windows (NT/2K/XP) machine after their password has expired they're prompted to change their password, which they can do right from the login prompt. On the thin clients (using IceWM), however they're simply denied login. No reason given, no opportunity to change the password. Is there any way I can get the same behavior on both platforms? -- C-ya, Mark ____ The real name of the "I've fallen and I can't get up" lady is Edith Fore. From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Mon Sep 19 18:15:10 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:15:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] What are you using for failover? Message-ID: <200509191816.j8JIGkUM029935@mx1.redhat.com> Hello List After reading the string on "Power outage - ldap stopped working" I would like to know what mechanisms are in place in your location for failover. Do you have a PDC-BDC setup in your network environment? or are you using LDAP replication for failover? I would like a sense of what is being used so I may implement this in my network. Reading the "Power outage - ldap stopped working", I was able to perform a backup of /home and my ldap db. I am now currently installing Fedora Core 3 on a second server, but not sure how I am going to set it up. Thanks for your responds. --mark From robark at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 18:28:44 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:28:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: <1127114753.6456.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1127114753.6456.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 9/19/05, Trond M?hlum wrote: > On fre, 2005-09-16 at 16:47 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > On 9/15/05, David Trask wrote: > > > > > Now for a challenge....I run two K12LTSP servers in dhcp failover/load > > > balancing mode...with a third Samba/LDAP machine for authentication and > > > home dirs. Works fantastic except for the fact that now I have to use > > > TeacherTool in two places....any ideas on how we might be able to set it > > > up so that one TeacherTool can monitor both servers? Even possible? > > I am also very interested in this, as I have five servers I would like > to list its users. I am going to work on this feature. Hopefully, this will be a feature of the next release. I just need to figure out a way to netstat the other server and also be able to launch apps from the other server. If anyone has any ideas I'd love to hear them. You can also grep the lines from my source code that have the word "system" to gain some insight. > > Another thing. I run a system for 2500 users and I am "root". The > teachers are not root. Is it possible to make a "TeacherTool-junior" > edition? I would like this app to be able to list users, send messages, > run vncreflector for the schools students. Well the real useful stuff needs to be run as root. You CAN list users and view processes but that's about it. For messages you need to be able to run the fl_TTmessage as the user (so you need root priviliges). The only thing which I can think of (not sure if it will work) is to add a teacher group and then put them in the sudoers list and add Fl_TeacherTool to the approved apps. I haven't tried this. I don't even know how to do it without googling but I know of the sudoers concept. If someone if with experience setting up a sudeors list and associated apps could reply that would be great. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Sep 19 18:36:50 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:36:50 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] What are you using for failover? In-Reply-To: <200509191816.j8JIGkUM029935@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200509191816.j8JIGkUM029935@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <432F0542.9030808@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Mark Sarria wrote: > Hello List > > After reading the string on "Power outage - ldap stopped working" I would > like to know what mechanisms are in place in your location for failover. Do > you have a PDC-BDC setup in your network environment? or are you using LDAP > replication for failover? I would like a sense of what is being used so I > may implement this in my network. > > Reading the "Power outage - ldap stopped working", I was able to perform a > backup of /home and my ldap db. I am now currently installing Fedora Core 3 > on a second server, but not sure how I am going to set it up. > > Thanks for your responds. > > --mark > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I'm just working on implementing replication. What we do at the mo is to dump the contents of our LDAP backend to a ldif file once a week as we don't usually add much, just read and this is backed up. What I have found that one LDAP server takes a real hammering if you have about 150 concurrent Win2K clients all accessing the one server that is also acting as the PDC. Now this doesn't sound much but add 3 more Samba servers authenticating to this with Windows clients and things really go slow. I did think about adding more memory to the PDC / LDAP server but then thought of the idea of setting up each of the other 3 Samba servers as replica LDAP servers and then altering the config of smb.conf to authenticate against the local ldap server, really just a standalone server. This will hopefully reduce the load on the central LDAP and also allow for a bit of fallover as we'll have 3 backup LDAP servers. I'm just working on a test server to see what I need to add to the minimal install to get OpenLDAP server running locally. It looks OK at the mo just have to setup the replication from the central LDAP but that might have to wait till tomorrow. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From robark at gmail.com Mon Sep 19 18:41:36 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:41:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] F1_TeacherTool, creating launch button In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/19/05, Steve Hampton wrote: > had one other question that you might be able to help me out with. I have a > Samba/LDAP setup much like David Trask. I use thin clients in half my > classroom and thick clients in the other half. If you are familiar with > this setup you will already know my question. It is that I can use > Fl_TeacherTool to view all the students logged into the thin clients but not > those logged in to the thick clients. Is there any simple way that I can > use this tool to view processes for the students logged into the thick > clients. Thanks again for your help. I really appreciate you releasing > this tool for us to use. It is really nice. Well I can't really say for sure if I would be able to implement this feature. But I think it's kind of similar to the multiple server issue. If I manage to solve the multiple server issue I think this one may also be possible. I will keep it in mind. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Mon Sep 19 18:51:35 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:51:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Nautilus/Gnome Local Media integration complete Message-ID: <1127155894.13321.124.camel@phoenix.hhp> I've documented a new way to access Local Media/Devices from the clients. It provides desktop icons (no Samba browsing) for the user's drives. It updates whenever you log into a new client and gives you the correct devices. It uses autofs to mount the client shares on the server when needed (and grants only the user logged into the client ownership of the files). Look at the bottom of the LTSP wiki entry for more details! I hope everyone enjoys! You get an icon on your desktop for "My Disks". It is accessible from "Computer" as well as any Gnome/GTK program. Otherwise you can browse to /mnt/localdev/ to gain access to your files. Here's a direct link: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalMedia#Integration_using_the_automounte Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org From henryhartley at westat.com Mon Sep 19 19:05:22 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:05:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Minimum Server Config Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E8D5@MAILBE2.westat.com> I've been asked to design a small computer lab for a non-profit in St. Vincent. I'd like to deliver a reasonable LTSP lab but my budget is currently exactly zero. Getting donations of virtually any number of adequate thin client machines is not a problem. We'll probably end up soliciting funds for the server and I want to recommend as low-end a machine as I can get away with. I don't want to scare them away with a $3,000 price tag. We can always do more if we raise more but we need to start very small. I'm expecting to need to power only about 10 workstations and I think we can live with the system being on the slow side, as long as it doesn't lock up for five or ten minutes at a time. I understand that RAM is probably more important here than CPU speed. Is AMD going to save me anything over Intel? Assuming I cannot afford SCSI drives, would it make sense to get multiple IDE drives and do RAID in some form or just live with standard IDE drives? Would a fast PIII give me better cost/performance as compared to a P4? I appreciate any and all advice you can give. Anyone willing to spec out a machine in detail earns extra points. -- Henry From linuxsys at davisny.edu Mon Sep 19 19:27:44 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:27:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Minimum Server Config In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E8D5@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: Well, the system we use for ~20 terminals is, IBM eServer Xseries 306 3.0Ghz Pentium 4 2Gigs RAM (we are seriously considering going to 4Gigs though, since we use KDE and not iceWM or some such) 80GB SATA HDD It has dual integrated Gigabit ethernet adapters It works really well for us. I'd imagine you might get away with a little less RAM. The price tag for the server itself is $1150.00, you'll spend about $100.00 on a 160Gig SATA drive, and depending on how much RAM you want any where from $50 on up. http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=-8 40&productId=8705221&storeId=1&langId=-1&dualCurrId=73&categoryId=2588410 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144415 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820141508 Those are links to some relevant hardward vendors. I'm guessing we're talking $1500.00 after it's all said and done, maybe a little more. So, it might still be a bit steep. But I'd also say that for only 10 stations you could probably get away with something like, 1.8Ghz Athlon 1-1.5 Gigs RAM 80GB IDE HDD 10/100Mbps NICs Now, others who have set up more systems then I have (I've only done about 5 or 6) may point out clear flaws in my thoughts. :) -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Henry Hartley Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 3:05 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Minimum Server Config I've been asked to design a small computer lab for a non-profit in St. Vincent. I'd like to deliver a reasonable LTSP lab but my budget is currently exactly zero. Getting donations of virtually any number of adequate thin client machines is not a problem. We'll probably end up soliciting funds for the server and I want to recommend as low-end a machine as I can get away with. I don't want to scare them away with a $3,000 price tag. We can always do more if we raise more but we need to start very small. I'm expecting to need to power only about 10 workstations and I think we can live with the system being on the slow side, as long as it doesn't lock up for five or ten minutes at a time. I understand that RAM is probably more important here than CPU speed. Is AMD going to save me anything over Intel? Assuming I cannot afford SCSI drives, would it make sense to get multiple IDE drives and do RAID in some form or just live with standard IDE drives? Would a fast PIII give me better cost/performance as compared to a P4? I appreciate any and all advice you can give. Anyone willing to spec out a machine in detail earns extra points. -- Henry _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From k12osn at perusion.com Mon Sep 19 19:26:06 2005 From: k12osn at perusion.com (Mike Heins) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:26:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Minimum Server Config In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E8D5@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E8D5@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <20050919192606.GA30746@bill.heins.net> Quoting Henry Hartley (henryhartley at westat.com): > > I've been asked to design a small computer lab for a non-profit in St. > Vincent. I'd like to deliver a reasonable LTSP lab but my budget is > currently exactly zero. Getting donations of virtually any number of > adequate thin client machines is not a problem. We'll probably end up > soliciting funds for the server and I want to recommend as low-end a > machine as I can get away with. I don't want to scare them away with a > $3,000 price tag. We can always do more if we raise more but we need to > start very small. I'm expecting to need to power only about 10 > workstations and I think we can live with the system being on the slow > side, as long as it doesn't lock up for five or ten minutes at a time. If 10 workstations is all you need, any server with 2mb ram will probably do the trick. > > I understand that RAM is probably more important here than CPU speed. > Is AMD going to save me anything over Intel? Assuming I cannot afford > SCSI drives, would it make sense to get multiple IDE drives and do RAID > in some form or just live with standard IDE drives? Would a fast PIII > give me better cost/performance as compared to a P4? I appreciate any > and all advice you can give. Anyone willing to spec out a machine in > detail earns extra points. > I currently have an Athlon 2200+ with 3GB ram and an IDE disk which does fine for 15 stations, groans at 22. I just configured a brand new 3GHz HP a1113w desktop with 4GB RAM (3.2 G available), a 160G SATA hard drive, DVD and DVD writer, memory card reader, and two ethernet ports for just under $1400. It should handle 25 stations running OO 2.0 beta using ICEwm. -- Mike Heins Perusion -- Expert Interchange Consulting http://www.perusion.com/ phone +1.765.647.1295 tollfree 800-949-1889 Being against torture ought to be sort of a bipartisan thing. -- Karl Lehenbauer From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Sep 19 20:03:25 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:03:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Printer GUI Message-ID: <432F198D.3080105@honeygroveisd.net> Last Friday my K12LTSP 4.4 server crashed due to a hard drive problem. Rather than attempt to do a bare-metal restore I simply started over again from the 4.4 CDs, since /home is NFS mounted from another server. I must have missed something because now I don't have the GUI printer configuration options. I used to be able to go to Desktop/Preferences and there would be a "Printing" option. Now there's not. What did I miss in the setup process, and what do I need to do to get it back? -- C-ya, Mark ____ "The most important political office is that of private citizen." -- Louis Brandeis From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Sep 19 21:52:11 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:52:11 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Using replication Message-ID: <432F330B.7070400@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> I've followed the instructions on http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/ldap/high_availability.html to setup a master & slave ldap servers for replication but I'm having a problem with the readonly option. If I set this option to on, in the slave config the replication doesn't work and I get an error in the log on the master. Is it possible to run the slave in readonly mode but still have replication working, I'm using the rootdn to bind with so I thought this would override the readonly option. Has anyone setup ldap replication ? Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Sep 19 22:57:43 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:57:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Printer GUI In-Reply-To: <432F198D.3080105@honeygroveisd.net> References: <432F198D.3080105@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: The redhat printing stuff....simply install it from the CD Support list for opensource software in schools." on Mon Sep 19 2005 at 16:03 +0000 wrote: >Last Friday my K12LTSP 4.4 server crashed due to a hard drive problem. >Rather than attempt to do a bare-metal restore I simply started over >again from the 4.4 CDs, since /home is NFS mounted from another server. >I must have missed something because now I don't have the GUI printer >configuration options. I used to be able to go to Desktop/Preferences >and there would be a "Printing" option. Now there's not. What did I >miss in the setup process, and what do I need to do to get it back? > >-- >C-ya, >Mark David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Sep 19 22:57:43 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:57:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Printer GUI In-Reply-To: <432F198D.3080105@honeygroveisd.net> References: <432F198D.3080105@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: The redhat printing stuff....simply install it from the CD Support list for opensource software in schools." on Mon Sep 19 2005 at 16:03 +0000 wrote: >Last Friday my K12LTSP 4.4 server crashed due to a hard drive problem. >Rather than attempt to do a bare-metal restore I simply started over >again from the 4.4 CDs, since /home is NFS mounted from another server. >I must have missed something because now I don't have the GUI printer >configuration options. I used to be able to go to Desktop/Preferences >and there would be a "Printing" option. Now there's not. What did I >miss in the setup process, and what do I need to do to get it back? > >-- >C-ya, >Mark David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Sep 19 23:06:20 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:06:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Printer GUI Message-ID: <432F446C.8050909@honeygroveisd.net> > > >The redhat printing stuff....simply install it from the CD > > David, Thanks for the reply, but I'm going to need a little more detail than that. First, the server is somewhat remote. Is there any way I can do it via apt/yum/etc? If not, how do I need to go about installing it from the cd? -- C-ya, Mark ____ Dartboards are made out of horse hairs. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Sep 19 23:43:26 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:43:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Printer GUI In-Reply-To: <432F446C.8050909@honeygroveisd.net> References: <432F446C.8050909@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1127173406.13449.31.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Mon, 2005-09-19 at 18:06 -0500, Mark Cockrell wrote: > > > > > >The redhat printing stuff....simply install it from the CD > > > > > > David, > Thanks for the reply, but I'm going to need a little more detail > than that. First, the server is somewhat remote. Is there any way I > can do it via apt/yum/etc? If not, how do I need to go about installing > it from the cd? > Google is your friend, Mark. Give this a whirl: "yum install system-config-printer". That's the package that I do on K12LTSP 4.2.1EL. I'm assuming that it's the same with Fedora Core 4. >From the GUI, you'd choose either the GNOME or KDE "Start" button, System Settings, and then Add/Remove Applications. Just curious: if the server's remote, how are you getting the desktop? --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marksarria at socal.rr.com Tue Sep 20 00:53:21 2005 From: marksarria at socal.rr.com (Mark Sarria) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:53:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Using replication References: <432F330B.7070400@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <004e01c5bd7d$b30c3310$6401a8c0@digital1> I will give this a go tomorrow morning, let you know if I get the same error. --mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Chivers" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:52 PM Subject: [K12OSN] Using replication > I've followed the instructions on > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/ldap/high_availability.html to setup a > master & slave ldap servers for replication but I'm having a problem with > the readonly option. > > If I set this option to on, in the slave config the replication doesn't > work and I get an error in the log on the master. > > Is it possible to run the slave in readonly mode but still have > replication working, I'm using the rootdn to bind with so I thought this > would override the readonly option. > > Has anyone setup ldap replication ? > > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of > Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 02:50:59 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:50:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT x-fonts in centos4 Message-ID: <9bd3175605091919503959f4d0@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone have trouble with missing x-fonts with Centos4? I've finally got pykosd (of Pykota) working :) and my only stumbling block is the default font which is -*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-*-360-*-*-p-*-*-*. Below are the fonts I do have. yum list all fonts\* Installed Packages fonts-ISO8859-2.noarch 1.0-13 installed fonts-ISO8859-2-100dpi.noarch 1.0-13 installed fonts-ISO8859-2-75dpi.noarch 1.0-13 installed fonts-KOI8-R.noarch 1.0-7 installed fonts-KOI8-R-100dpi.noarch 1.0-7 installed fonts-KOI8-R-75dpi.noarch 1.0-7 installed fonts-arabic.noarch 1.5-3 installed fonts-bengali.noarch 0.1-3 installed fonts-hebrew.noarch 0.100-4 installed fonts-ja.noarch 8.0-16 installed fonts-xorg-100dpi.noarch 6.8.1.1-1.EL.1 installed fonts-xorg-75dpi.noarch 6.8.1.1-1.EL.1 installed fonts-xorg-ISO8859-14-100dpi.noarch 6.8.1.1-1.EL.1 installed fonts-xorg-ISO8859-14-75dpi.noarch 6.8.1.1-1.EL.1 installed fonts-xorg-ISO8859-15-100dpi.noarch 6.8.1.1-1.EL.1 installed fonts-xorg-ISO8859-15-75dpi.noarch 6.8.1.1-1.EL.1 installed fonts-xorg-ISO8859-2-100dpi.noarch 6.8.1.1-1.EL.1 installed fonts-xorg-ISO8859-2-75dpi.noarch 6.8.1.1-1.EL.1 installed fonts-xorg-ISO8859-9-100dpi.noarch 6.8.1.1-1.EL.1 installed fonts-xorg-ISO8859-9-75dpi.noarch 6.8.1.1-1.EL.1 installed fonts-xorg-base.noarch 6.8.1.1-1.EL.1 installed fonts-xorg-cyrillic.noarch 6.8.1.1-1.EL.1 installed fonts-xorg-syriac.noarch 6.8.1.1-1.EL.1 installed fonts-xorg-truetype.noarch 6.8.1.1-1.EL.1 installed From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Sep 20 03:22:57 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:22:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] What are you using for failover? In-Reply-To: <432F0542.9030808@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <200509191816.j8JIGkUM029935@mx1.redhat.com> <432F0542.9030808@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, September 19, 2005 at 2:36 PM +0000 wrote: >I'm just working on a test server to see what I need to add to the >minimal install to get OpenLDAP server running locally. It looks OK at >the mo just have to setup the replication from the central LDAP but that >might have to wait till tomorrow. > >Brian Document this heavily as I can see many folks....myself included would like to try it out. :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org Tue Sep 20 03:24:07 2005 From: DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org (DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:24:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] logging users off Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Sep 20 04:51:10 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] chown script help needed (word of caution) In-Reply-To: <1126670668.31709.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <9bd3175605090408521862f710@mail.gmail.com> <431B22FC.9050405@stmarys-school.org> <1125856161.24735.45.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1126627222.7873.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1126670668.31709.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Michael C Wescott wrote: > On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 09:00 -0700, Quentin Hartman wrote: >> A little one-liner I've used in the past to fix permissions only on >> "real" user directories and leave other stuff I tend to keep in /home >> alone is: >> >> for i in `cat /etc/passwd | awk -F: '$3 > 500 {print $1}'`; do chown -R >> $i:$i $i; done > > Gratuitous cat abuse :-) > > version 0.2: > > for i in `awk -F: '$3 > 500 {print $1}' /etc/passwd`; do chown -R $i:$i > $i; done > > version 0.3: > > awk -F: '$3>500 {print $3, $4, $6}' /etc/passwd | while read u g h > do > chown -R $u:$g "$h" > done > > This last one avoids the assumption that the primary group name is > the same as the username (though that will almost always be true). It > uses the name of the home directory directly from the password file > rather than trying to constructing it on the fly (it also works with > home dirs with spaces in the name). > > I also suggest running pwck first to check the consistency of the > password file. version 0.4: getent passwd | awk -F: '$3>500 {print $3, $4, $6}' | while read u g h do chown -R $u:$g "$h" done "cat /etc/passwd" assumes that your users are in /etc/passwd. If you your users in LDAP, AD, radius, etc, etc, you can't grep for them in /etc/passwd... "getent passwd" will output what you would expect to find in /etc/passwd, even though the users may be in LDAP, WinBind, /etc/passwod, and/or any other possible way the system may do authentication/authorization ;-) -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Sep 20 04:25:32 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] schooltool daemon In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605091309132ac1691d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605083017252e32edae@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050830175628cfbb8a@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605083018167f41cc8a@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560508302047374c8626@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050830210468d0eb5c@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605091309132ac1691d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey Eric, > I thought I might test schooltool daemonishness on another system > (centos4) and I still get the same result: no start at boot time. I > can only assume it's something I'm doing wrong. Is this right? > > chkconfig --level 3 schooltool on > That will set it to start only on runlevel 3, the default runlevel is 5. Not a problem if you are running in 3, of course ;-) I usually just turn daemons on for all of the common runlevels (3, 4, 5): chkconfig schooltool on I made another small tweak a couple of days ago, adding the "-d" switch as you suggested. Is all peachy now? -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Sep 20 04:31:29 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Where are the Free Oregon Wallpapers In-Reply-To: <4328F06D.9070705@snarlnet.com> References: <4328F06D.9070705@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Carl Keil wrote: > Hi, > > Somebody mentioned a repository of free Oregon themed wallpapers somewhere. > I'd actually like to contribute some. Does anyone know where to find that? > I'm yahooing my brains out to no avail. > > Thanks, > > ck Maybe you are thinking of Paul's Oregon Photoblog? http://oregonphotoblog.org/ -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Sep 20 04:42:38 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] My YUM is broken, any suggestions please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, Steve Hampton wrote: > Hi Group, > > I have recently installed the K12LTSP 4.2 package at the begining of the > school year and I did an everything install on the server. I had everything > finally configured just the way I wanted. I love this stuff. However, I have > recently ran into a problem with yum. When I run the update I get the > following error at the end. > > Error: Missing Dependency: mozilla = 37:1.7.3 is needed by package epiphany > > And then yum stops. If somone can please tell me how to get around this. I > don't really need epiphany so if removing it would fix this I could do that, > or if any one has another way I am open for suggestions. Thanks. > > Steve Hampton > Technology Instructor > Swain County High School > Are you still seeing the error? I just checked on one of my servers that is still running 4.2 and it resolved the dependancies correctly. If it is still broken, here is a couple things to try/check: 1) Cleaning out yum's cache & retry the update: yum clean all yum update 2) Check to see if the K12LTSP repository file has been modified: rpm -Vf /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo This command will have no output if none of these files have been modified. 3) Post the contents of your /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo file 4) And if all else fails & you don't use epiphany... rpm -e epiphany -Eric From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Tue Sep 20 07:40:42 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:40:42 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] logging users off In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200509200840.42946.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Tuesday 20 September 2005 04:24, DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org wrote: > I've got a question. Do you have a script or procedure for logging > users off automatically after a period of inactivity or at least once > per day? The once a day part is easy; reboot your server in the wee small hours. We do this to solve the issue of users who don't log off. To log users off after a period of inactivity, have a look at logmon available at www.computronics.com I intend to implement this when I can find the time. The AIX version was very successful in my previous job. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Sep 20 07:58:24 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:58:24 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] What are you using for failover? In-Reply-To: References: <200509191816.j8JIGkUM029935@mx1.redhat.com> <432F0542.9030808@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <432FC120.6090203@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, September 19, 2005 at 2:36 PM +0000 wrote: > >>I'm just working on a test server to see what I need to add to the >>minimal install to get OpenLDAP server running locally. It looks OK at >>the mo just have to setup the replication from the central LDAP but that >>might have to wait till tomorrow. >> >>Brian > > > Document this heavily as I can see many folks....myself included would > like to try it out. :-) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > OK Will do, I think I've got it working just testing at the mo. It's quite simple just got to sort out the replication with slave's in readonly mode (see other post) Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From genfil at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 10:10:44 2005 From: genfil at gmail.com (Jean Phil) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:10:44 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Compile driver for thin client Message-ID: Need help. I will be using SURECOM ep-320-v1 Ethernet PCI on our thin client. However I have to compile the driver (rhinefet.o). How can I compile and install the driver on the thin client (not on the server.) Thank you! From rstewart at iccpartners.com Tue Sep 20 12:01:32 2005 From: rstewart at iccpartners.com (Rondall Stewart) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:01:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Minimum Server Config Message-ID: Check this web site out. We use them for tight bugets and olders replacements. www.itxchange.com Rondall Stewart Technical Team Leader ICC Technology Partners (606)886-8447 ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Henry Hartley Sent: Mon 9/19/2005 3:05 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Minimum Server Config I've been asked to design a small computer lab for a non-profit in St. Vincent. I'd like to deliver a reasonable LTSP lab but my budget is currently exactly zero. Getting donations of virtually any number of adequate thin client machines is not a problem. We'll probably end up soliciting funds for the server and I want to recommend as low-end a machine as I can get away with. I don't want to scare them away with a $3,000 price tag. We can always do more if we raise more but we need to start very small. I'm expecting to need to power only about 10 workstations and I think we can live with the system being on the slow side, as long as it doesn't lock up for five or ten minutes at a time. I understand that RAM is probably more important here than CPU speed. Is AMD going to save me anything over Intel? Assuming I cannot afford SCSI drives, would it make sense to get multiple IDE drives and do RAID in some form or just live with standard IDE drives? Would a fast PIII give me better cost/performance as compared to a P4? I appreciate any and all advice you can give. Anyone willing to spec out a machine in detail earns extra points. -- Henry _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Realtek-based 10/100 cards are supported well and cost maybe US$5. Even 3Com 3C905's can be had for US$10. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Tue Sep 20 12:37:46 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 07:37:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Printer GUI In-Reply-To: <1127173406.13449.31.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <432F446C.8050909@honeygroveisd.net> <1127173406.13449.31.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4330029A.5050601@maltzen.net> I think the package you want is system-config-printer-gui. This is what is installed on my FC4/K12ltsp 4.4.1 system, complete with gui printer config tool: system-config-printer-gui-0.6.131.3-1 system-config-printer-0.6.131.3-1 HTH Petre Terrell Prud? wrote: > On Mon, 2005-09-19 at 18:06 -0500, Mark Cockrell wrote: > > >>> >>>The redhat printing stuff....simply install it from the CD >>> >>> >> >>David, >> Thanks for the reply, but I'm going to need a little more detail >>than that. First, the server is somewhat remote. Is there any way I >>can do it via apt/yum/etc? If not, how do I need to go about installing >>it from the cd? >> > > > > Google is your friend, Mark. > > Give this a whirl: "yum install system-config-printer". That's the > package that I do on K12LTSP 4.2.1EL. I'm assuming that it's the same > with Fedora Core 4. > >>From the GUI, you'd choose either the GNOME or KDE "Start" button, > System Settings, and then Add/Remove Applications. > > Just curious: if the server's remote, how are you getting the desktop? > > --TP > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 12:40:14 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 05:40:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Spam help... In-Reply-To: <08E12B05-3E25-4459-AA05-33C17E97339B@inlandlakes.org> References: <08E12B05-3E25-4459-AA05-33C17E97339B@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4330032E.6020500@gmail.com> Shawn Powers wrote: > Would someone that is successful using spamassassin to filter most > spam be willing to contact me offlist for some help? > > I've tweaked spamassassin, added rulesets (rulesdujour), lowered the > required_hits to 4.0, and I'm still having 2nd grade girls getting > junkmail regarding male pills... > > I have angry parents, angry teachers -- and I understand why! (Yes, > I know spam is a fact of life on the internet, but I'm doing > something wrong I think, because it's really ridiculous the amount > that is getting through) > > I'm using: > > K12LTSP 4.2.1 as my mail server > Spamassassin 3.0.4 (latest in the updates from k12linux) > sendmail > /etc/procmailrc (yes, I know not the most efficient, but I haven't > had time to get a milter to work) > RulesDuJour -- to get a ton of rules (I added this on Friday, didn't > help much) > > I have not set up bayesian stuff -- because I believe that I'd have > to get thousands of spam and ham to make it work -- and I don't have > the resources to do that (resources = time). Is that my only chance > to filter all the crap that's coming in? Should I invest in a 3rd > party solution? > > Thanks for any insight, > -Shawn If you need a lot of spam in a hurry, create a dummy email account and spam it across Usenet(yes, I know - bad netiquette, but it's in a good cause). I accidentally posted my unmunged email address /once/ in a posting and started receiving spam within five minutes. That's why I created a script that adds bogaddies to my sig. I'm probably clogging spammers' email lists with 200 bogus addresses a week! Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 12:54:11 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 05:54:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Minimum Server Config In-Reply-To: <20050919192606.GA30746@bill.heins.net> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E8D5@MAILBE2.westat.com> <20050919192606.GA30746@bill.heins.net> Message-ID: <43300673.7010004@gmail.com> Mike Hens wrote: >If 10 workstations is all you need, any server with 2mb ram will probably >do the trick. >-----8<----- > .....and I have four 512k 30-pin SIMMs kicking around somewhere that you can have..... Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting From petre at maltzen.net Tue Sep 20 13:00:14 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:00:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Minimum Server Config In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <433007DE.2030100@maltzen.net> In the past, the rule of thumb has been that an IDE drive would handle 10 clients okay, but start to show significant slowdown beyond that. RAM is more important than CPU speed; for 10 clients, I'd get 2GB if you can manage. RAM can be had for $100 per GB today, but that usually requires a modern motherboard. Since getting sufficient memory should be your starting point, it may be cheaper to buy a motherboard & parts, or complete system, that can use the latest, least expensive RAM, than to buy an older machine that can only use RAM of lower density. As for Intel vs. AMD, in this case I don't think it matters. Multiple IDE drives, in a RAID 0 config, can give better performance, but with only 10 clients, it may not matter much. P3 vs. P4, see above about which system will handle your RAM requirements best. I've got an old dual 400mhz P3 with 1GB RAM that works quite nicely, never touching swap so all apps are already in RAM usually, but I've only got five clients on it. Considering it was a free donation, it works very well for the price. Petre Rondall Stewart wrote: > Check this web site out. We use them for tight bugets and olders replacements. > www.itxchange.com > > Rondall Stewart > Technical Team Leader > ICC Technology Partners > (606)886-8447 > > ________________________________ > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Henry Hartley > Sent: Mon 9/19/2005 3:05 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] Minimum Server Config > > > > > I've been asked to design a small computer lab for a non-profit in St. > Vincent. I'd like to deliver a reasonable LTSP lab but my budget is > currently exactly zero. Getting donations of virtually any number of > adequate thin client machines is not a problem. We'll probably end up > soliciting funds for the server and I want to recommend as low-end a > machine as I can get away with. I don't want to scare them away with a > $3,000 price tag. We can always do more if we raise more but we need to > start very small. I'm expecting to need to power only about 10 > workstations and I think we can live with the system being on the slow > side, as long as it doesn't lock up for five or ten minutes at a time. > > I understand that RAM is probably more important here than CPU speed. > Is AMD going to save me anything over Intel? Assuming I cannot afford > SCSI drives, would it make sense to get multiple IDE drives and do RAID > in some form or just live with standard IDE drives? Would a fast PIII > give me better cost/performance as compared to a P4? I appreciate any > and all advice you can give. Anyone willing to spec out a machine in > detail earns extra points. > > -- > Henry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From staffords at glenburn.net Tue Sep 20 13:07:40 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:07:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12 LTSP Server Down, 6 Hours later up, what happened? In-Reply-To: <4330032E.6020500@gmail.com> References: <08E12B05-3E25-4459-AA05-33C17E97339B@inlandlakes.org> <4330032E.6020500@gmail.com> Message-ID: OK, looking for some understanding here. Working on Terminals late last night/early AM. At 1:30 AM, LTSP server stops handing out IP addresses. Best I can figure, screen stuck at DHCP. I try reboot (twice), restart DHCP service, check NIC card, check ports/switches, and nothing. Finally at 2:30AM I shut down server and figure I will have to come back in this morning. I figure I have a bad Eth0 Nic card. I come in at 8:30 AM and restart the server and it works fine. So, what happened? I hate it when machines act like Humans....... :-) thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Sep 20 13:10:27 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:10:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Printer GUI Message-ID: <43300A43.60206@honeygroveisd.net> > Google is your friend, Mark. I Googled (Oh what we're doing to the English language!) for hours before I approached the list. > Give this a whirl: "yum install system-config-printer". That's the > package that I do on K12LTSP 4.2.1EL. I'm assuming that it's the same > with Fedora Core 4. That's the first thing I tried. Yum says it's already installed and up to date, but I can't find it anywhere. > >From the GUI, you'd choose either the GNOME or KDE "Start" button, > System Settings, and then Add/Remove Applications. Would that be the "Synaptic Package Manager?" I fiddled with that for a while, but once again I can't find anything not already installed. > Just curious: if the server's remote, how are you getting the desktop? VNC over T1. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "The only real security that a man can have in this world is a reserve of knowledge, experience and ability." -- Henry Ford From big at santaz.dk Tue Sep 20 15:20:18 2005 From: big at santaz.dk (Jesper Berth) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:20:18 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12 LTSP Server Down, 6 Hours later up, what happened? In-Reply-To: References: <08E12B05-3E25-4459-AA05-33C17E97339B@inlandlakes.org> <4330032E.6020500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <433028B2.4080703@santaz.dk> Not that i know what it is but i had a similar situation yesterday i am running fedora core 3 and using it as a smbldap server serving /home for a ltspserver i have tree nic's in one for internet, one for my ltsp server and the last one isn't in use waiting for some cabling to finish. I was using a thin client and suddenly it stops, i turn of the ltsp server and reboots the smbldap server, but at startup it tells me that eth2 dosn't work and kudzu will remove the config, i reboot three times and every time one of the nic is "out of order" i remove the cards from the server boot again no problems, and no nic's.... But everything back in to the server and then it works perfectly .... Maybee it was dust ... maybee it just had a bad day ..... Jesper Berth Denmark Shane Stafford wrote: >OK, looking for some understanding here. Working on Terminals late last >night/early AM. At 1:30 AM, LTSP server stops handing out IP >addresses. Best I can figure, screen stuck at DHCP. I try reboot >(twice), restart DHCP service, check NIC card, check ports/switches, and >nothing. > >Finally at 2:30AM I shut down server and figure I will have to come back >in this morning. I figure I have a bad Eth0 Nic card. > >I come in at 8:30 AM and restart the server and it works fine. So, what >happened? > >I hate it when machines act like Humans....... :-) > >thanks >Shane > >Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT >Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town >Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer >S & B Consulting > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From wolfravenous at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 13:35:33 2005 From: wolfravenous at gmail.com (Steve Hampton) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:35:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Minimum Server Config Message-ID: I just wanted to say that from my experience processing power can be just as improtant on the k12ltsp thinlient setup as RAM, depending on the use of the lab. You mentioned it is for a non-profit. What will they be using it for. Is it a lab for children to use, senior citizens, or employees of the non-profit? Factors such as that should weigh heavily into the design of the system you build. For example kids will be using lots of processing power since they enjoy the games. The Seniors will also, try running gnome-system-monitor while a couple of people are playing the computer in chess. If it is for employees to do daily tasks such as word prcessing, spreadsheet and other document creation then the processing demands do go down a bit except for when the programs are beig launched. I have noticed using gnome-system-monitor that when I have the students using thin clients in my class(7) all open the openoffice stuite at the same time the CPU stays maxed out till all the programs are open and then it goes back down. However, the RAM never goes above 1 GB when they are word processing. Here are specs on my system and it cost me $1900 to build over a year and a half ago. Dual Xeons Processors @ 2.4 Ghz Sony DVD-ROM Sony 3.5" 1.44 MB Floppy Intel Mother Board Model SE7505VB2 The Board has Dual Network Ports one at 100MB/s the other is Gigabit ethernet The board has onboard Silicon image RAID controler. It also has onboard Yamaha sound. 550 Watt Fsp power supply Western Digital 120 Gig SATA hard drive Nvidia G-force FX 5200 video card Intel Tower (black) The thing I liked about this setup is that when I installed K12LTSP 3.1 and all versions since up to 4.2.1 where I currently reside. All the hardware just worked, I didn't have to fight with any driver configurations. Also if you decide to go with this setup. not sure why, but even though it is a dual processor board you must use the regular kernel not the SMP kernel. Appearantly on this board intel has linked the processing together at a level below the OS because the SMP kernel doesn't function correctly (been there, tried it, didn't work). If you are interested in where I purchased I can give you information but you should be able to surf and find all the different components. -- Open Source, The Right Thing To Do! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Tue Sep 20 14:20:00 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:20:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12 LTSP Server Down, 6 Hours later up, what happened? In-Reply-To: References: <08E12B05-3E25-4459-AA05-33C17E97339B@inlandlakes.org> <4330032E.6020500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1127226000.4689.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 08:07, Shane Stafford wrote: > OK, looking for some understanding here. Working on Terminals late last > night/early AM. At 1:30 AM, LTSP server stops handing out IP > addresses. Best I can figure, screen stuck at DHCP. I try reboot > (twice), restart DHCP service, check NIC card, check ports/switches, and > nothing. Troubleshooting tip: look at /var/log/messages first. > Finally at 2:30AM I shut down server and figure I will have to come back > in this morning. I figure I have a bad Eth0 Nic card. tcpdump -i eth0 do you see traffic? > I come in at 8:30 AM and restart the server and it works fine. So, what > happened? Just a guess: something used up all your dhcp leases and the server would not give them out again until they expired. /var/log/messages might give you a hint. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Tue Sep 20 14:25:59 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:25:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT- installing Yellow Dog Message-ID: <200509201420.j8KEKJL25785@www.mi-spot.com> A while back, I asked questions on getting a beige Mac G3 to netboot off of K12LTSP 4.4.0. I found out that I couldn't. The suggestion was to try to install Yellow Dog Linux, and have it work with the server. I've burned YD 4.0.1 to cd, stuck it in the CD, shutdown, start while holding down the C key, and the machine still boots into OS9. I have a rather large bias against Macs, and this is proving everything I've always thougth to be true. I'd like to make this a usable machine. Any suggestions would be greatly appricated. Thanks, Eric Viva la Open Source! From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Sep 20 14:32:14 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:32:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT- installing Yellow Dog In-Reply-To: <200509201420.j8KEKJL25785@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200509201420.j8KEKJL25785@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: Next time you go fishing, tie it on a long rope and use it for an anchor! Then it will be a usable machine! :) Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 20 Sep 2005, Eric Brown wrote: > A while back, I asked questions on getting a beige Mac G3 to netboot off of > K12LTSP 4.4.0. I found out that I couldn't. > > The suggestion was to try to install Yellow Dog Linux, and have it work with > the server. I've burned YD 4.0.1 to cd, stuck it in the CD, shutdown, start > while holding down the C key, and the machine still boots into OS9. I have > a rather large bias against Macs, and this is proving everything I've always > thougth to be true. I'd like to make this a usable machine. Any > suggestions would be greatly appricated. > > Thanks, > Eric > > Viva la Open Source! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ramonklown at pop.com.br Tue Sep 20 14:38:45 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:38:45 -0300 (BRT) Subject: [K12OSN] Releasing Fl_TeacherTool 0.1 In-Reply-To: <1127114753.6456.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1127114753.6456.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <10046.200.222.204.22.1127227125.squirrel@popmail2.pop.com.br> > On fre, 2005-09-16 at 16:47 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> On 9/15/05, David Trask wrote: >> >> > Now for a challenge....I run two K12LTSP servers in dhcp failover/load >> > balancing mode...with a third Samba/LDAP machine for authentication and >> > home dirs. Works fantastic except for the fact that now I have to use >> > TeacherTool in two places....any ideas on how we might be able to set it >> > up so that one TeacherTool can monitor both servers? Even possible? > > I am also very interested in this, as I have five servers I would like > to list its users. > > Another thing. I run a system for 2500 users and I am "root". The > teachers are not root. Is it possible to make a "TeacherTool-junior" > edition? I would like this app to be able to list users, send messages, I can do this. Just need to think a bit about security issues. But a LTSP messaging program would be nice for all. > run vncreflector for the schools students. If this comes into play I think it should be a module for the "FL_teachetool" and totally separate from lan messaging. > > It seemed to me that only root could perform those tasks. For us this is > not TeacherTool, but AdminTool. But that is precisely what I need. I > have been waiting for something like this for several years, and finally > it's here! But can the teachers also perform some of the magic? > > Regards > Trond Maehlum > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 14:38:52 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (The Prof) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:38:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Minimum Server Config In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E8D5@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E8D5@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: Hello, We were in exactly the same same situation you are in when our lab started. It is in a Church/small private school and we currently have 12 computers running off the main server. The clients are all various forms of Pentium I machines with anywhere from 16 to 64 MB ram. The Server motherboard is an Asus P4P800 (specs at http://www.asus.com/products/mb/socket478/p4p800-e_d/overview.htm, pricing examples at http://www.bizrate.com/buy/products__cat_id--419,keyword--p4p800.html) The motherboard is excellent and we've had no problems with it at all. We've got 2 GB Ram installed on it, as well as a Pentium 4 3.2 Ghz processor.with hyperthreading on. For the data we have 2 scsi hard drives running off a SCSI controller (this was the most expensive part of the machine!) running as RAID 1 (mirrors). All the clients have gigabit cards as well as the server but since the switch is 100 MBit (can't afford a gig switch) everything is running at 100 MB/s Even with that, I am able to run Gnome desktop and I didn't have to tweak anything to make it work faster - it can handle the load of everyone using openoffice or browsing or anything else. I hope this helps. Joseph From staffords at glenburn.net Tue Sep 20 14:52:50 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:52:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12 LTSP Server Down, 6 Hours later up, what happened? In-Reply-To: <1127226000.4689.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <08E12B05-3E25-4459-AA05-33C17E97339B@inlandlakes.org> < > <4330032E.6020500@gmail.com> < > <1127226000.4689.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: thanks for the tips. Being out of leases makes sense to me. Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From les at futuresource.com Tue Sep 20 15:25:05 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:25:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12 LTSP Server Down, 6 Hours later up, what happened? In-Reply-To: References: <08E12B05-3E25-4459-AA05-33C17E97339B@inlandlakes.org> < > <4330032E.6020500@gmail.com> < > <1127226000.4689.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1127229905.4689.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 09:52, Shane Stafford wrote: > thanks for the tips. Being out of leases makes sense to me. Normally the server tracks the hardware ethernet addresses and hands back the IP from the existing lease, so if you run out you must have some kind of problem unless you were testing a few hundred different terminals. You could have one with a bad NIC that picks up a random MAC address on each reboot. Also, I used to have trouble with windows RAS servers (pptp or dial-in) that were configured to use dhcp addresses for the connections because they would grab the allowed limit as they start up and never release them - and it grabs that many more every time you reboot it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Tue Sep 20 15:56:52 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:56:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] What are you using for failover? In-Reply-To: <432FC120.6090203@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200509201558.j8KFwVXR027285@mx1.redhat.com> Brian, When you copied over the files from /var/lib/ldap did the permissions change to execute (-rwxr--r-) for you? --mark -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brian Chivers Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:58 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] What are you using for failover? David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, September 19, 2005 at 2:36 PM +0000 wrote: > >>I'm just working on a test server to see what I need to add to the >>minimal install to get OpenLDAP server running locally. It looks OK at >>the mo just have to setup the replication from the central LDAP but that >>might have to wait till tomorrow. >> >>Brian > > > Document this heavily as I can see many folks....myself included would > like to try it out. :-) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > OK Will do, I think I've got it working just testing at the mo. It's quite simple just got to sort out the replication with slave's in readonly mode (see other post) Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Tue Sep 20 16:24:38 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:24:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] What are you using for failover? In-Reply-To: <200509201558.j8KFwVXR027285@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200509201626.j8KGQLtW003973@mx1.redhat.com> When I attempt to start the ldap server on the slave server I get the follow errors coming from the /var/lib/ldap file MemberUid.dbb not owned by "ldap" Etc.... For every file in that directory has the same message. May I should have not copied it. Any clue on what I can do to get the server started. --mark -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sarria Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 8:57 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] What are you using for failover? Brian, When you copied over the files from /var/lib/ldap did the permissions change to execute (-rwxr--r-) for you? --mark -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brian Chivers Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:58 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] What are you using for failover? David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, September 19, 2005 at 2:36 PM +0000 wrote: > >>I'm just working on a test server to see what I need to add to the >>minimal install to get OpenLDAP server running locally. It looks OK at >>the mo just have to setup the replication from the central LDAP but that >>might have to wait till tomorrow. >> >>Brian > > > Document this heavily as I can see many folks....myself included would > like to try it out. :-) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > OK Will do, I think I've got it working just testing at the mo. It's quite simple just got to sort out the replication with slave's in readonly mode (see other post) Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Sep 20 17:05:17 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:05:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Printer GUI Message-ID: <4330414D.9060507@honeygroveisd.net> > I think the package you want is system-config-printer-gui. This is > what is installed on my FC4/K12ltsp 4.4.1 system, complete with gui > printer config tool: > > system-config-printer-gui-0.6.131.3-1 > system-config-printer-0.6.131.3-1 That's what I was missing. system-config-printer I had, system-config-printer-gui was missing. Thanks, Petre! -- C-ya, Mark ____ The only planet in our solar system without a ring is earth. From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Tue Sep 20 17:33:31 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (James P Schwankl) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:33:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Slightly OT- installing Yellow Dog Message-ID: <20050920173331.d429749e@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> Eric, After a touch of googling, I found out that: 'YDL v4.0 will no longer officially support the OldWorld ROM (beige series). That means everything before the iMac is no longer supported.' I'd suggest downloading either version 3 or even going as far back as 2 (though 3 should be fine) Also, if you have decided that macs are not worth the trouble, you are welcome to send it to me. We can always use another G3 or better mac. Peace, Jimmy +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Q: Why did the chicken cross the Moebius strip? A: To get to the other ... er, um ... ****This Message was sent through the Chatham County Schools E-Mail Server**** All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Tue Sep 20 17:32:01 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:32:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] What are you using for failover? In-Reply-To: <1463.192.168.200.33.1127235951.squirrel@webport> Message-ID: <200509201733.j8KHXgdI026981@mx1.redhat.com> This is what I did, I copied the slapd.conf file from the master and pasted on the slave, I no longer get the error message about the ldap owner, now I get a configuration error message on the slave server. I removed the readonly part Here is a copy of my slapd.conf file *************************************************************** # $OpenLDAP: pkg/ldap/servers/slapd/slapd.conf,v 1.23.2.8 2003/05/24 23:19:14 kurt Exp $ # # See slapd.conf(5) for details on configuration options. # This file should NOT be world readable. # include /etc/openldap/schema/core.schema include /etc/openldap/schema/cosine.schema include /etc/openldap/schema/inetorgperson.schema include /etc/openldap/schema/nis.schema include /etc/openldap/schema/redhat/autofs.schema include /etc/openldap/schema/samba.schema # Allow LDAPv2 client connections. This is NOT the default. allow bind_v2 # Do not enable referrals until AFTER you have a working directory # service AND an understanding of referrals. #referral ldap://root.openldap.org pidfile /var/run/slapd.pid #argsfile //var/run/slapd.args # Load dynamic backend modules: # modulepath /usr/sbin/openldap # moduleload back_bdb.la # moduleload back_ldap.la # moduleload back_ldbm.la # moduleload back_passwd.la # moduleload back_shell.la # The next three lines allow use of TLS for connections using a dummy test # certificate, but you should generate a proper certificate by changing to # /usr/share/ssl/certs, running "make slapd.pem", and fixing permissions on # slapd.pem so that the ldap user or group can read it. # TLSCACertificateFile /usr/share/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.crt # TLSCertificateFile /usr/share/ssl/certs/slapd.pem # TLSCertificateKeyFile /usr/share/ssl/certs/slapd.pem # Sample security restrictions # Require integrity protection (prevent hijacking) # Require 112-bit (3DES or better) encryption for updates # Require 63-bit encryption for simple bind # security ssf=1 update_ssf=112 simple_bind=64 # Sample access control policy: # Root DSE: allow anyone to read it # Subschema (sub)entry DSE: allow anyone to read it # Other DSEs: # Allow self write access # Allow authenticated users read access # Allow anonymous users to authenticate # Directives needed to implement policy: # access to dn.base="" by * read # access to dn.base="cn=Subschema" by * read # access to * # by self write # by users read # by anonymous auth # # if no access controls are present, the default policy is: # Allow read by all # # rootdn can always write! ####################################################################### # ldbm and/or bdb database definitions ####################################################################### database ldbm suffix "dc=shs,dc=edu" rootdn "cn=Manager,dc=shs,dc=edu" # Cleartext passwords, especially for the rootdn, should # be avoided. See slappasswd(8) and slapd.conf(5) for details. # Use of strong authentication encouraged. rootpw guesswhat # rootpw {crypt}ijFYNcSNctBYg # The database directory MUST exist prior to running slapd AND # should only be accessible by the slapd and slap tools. # Mode 700 recommended. directory /var/lib/ldap # Indices to maintain for this database #index objectClass eq,pres #index ou,cn,mail,surname,givenname eq,pres,sub #index uidNumber,gidNumber,loginShell eq,pres #index uid,memberUid eq,pres,sub #index nisMapName,nisMapEntry eq,pres,sub index objectClass eq index cn pres,sub,eq index sn pres,sub,eq index uid pres,sub,eq index displayName pres,sub,eq index uidNumber eq index gidNumber eq index memberUID eq index sambaSID eq index sambaPrimaryGroupSID eq index sambaDomainName eq index default sub # Replicas of this database #replogfile /var/lib/ldap/openldap-master-replog #replica host=ldap-1.example.com:389 tls=yes # bindmethod=sasl saslmech=GSSAPI # authcId=host/ldap-master.example.com at EXAMPLE.COM **************************************************************************** * -----Original Message----- From: Brian Chivers [mailto:brian at tpc.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 10:06 AM To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] What are you using for failover? What I did was to run slapcat -l master.ldif on the master server then to copy over the ldif file to the slave. Then slapadd -l master.ldif on the slave but I've learn't from experience that if you run this as root, root owns all the files in /var/lib/ldap and ldap wont start, so it's a swift chown -R ldap:ldap /var/lib/ldap service ldap restart on the server and away it should go. Today I converted one of the quieter servers over to run it's own LDAP server backend and configured Samba to talk to this and authenticate against itself and as long as you follow the instruction on http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/ldap/high_availability.html but REMOVE the readonly section replication works as OK. I read in my O'Reilly book that in readonly mode not even the rootDN can alter the database so that's interesting to know if I want to stop anyone tweaking it while I'm away :-) I've got another server to swap tonight as it's a busy one and I'll try and fine tune my notes but it looks like it's working OK at the mo. Once the notes are fine tuned I'll stick them one a server and post a link to them so everyone can have a look. During my experiements doing this I've found some interesting glitches which I think I've worked round but not sure why they have happened but at this time of year I don't care as long as it works :-) I'll keep you all posted Brian > When I attempt to start the ldap server on the slave server I get the > follow > errors coming from the /var/lib/ldap file > MemberUid.dbb not owned by "ldap" > Etc.... > For every file in that directory has the same message. > > May I should have not copied it. Any clue on what I can do to get the > server > started. > > --mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf > Of Mark Sarria > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 8:57 AM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] What are you using for failover? > > Brian, > > When you copied over the files from /var/lib/ldap did the permissions > change > to execute (-rwxr--r-) for you? > > --mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf > Of Brian Chivers > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:58 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] What are you using for failover? > > David Trask wrote: >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> on >> Monday, September 19, 2005 at 2:36 PM +0000 wrote: >> >>>I'm just working on a test server to see what I need to add to the >>>minimal install to get OpenLDAP server running locally. It looks OK at >>>the mo just have to setup the replication from the central LDAP but that >>>might have to wait till tomorrow. >>> >>>Brian >> >> >> Document this heavily as I can see many folks....myself included would >> like to try it out. :-) >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >> (207)923-3100 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > OK Will do, I think I've got it working just testing at the mo. > > It's quite simple just got to sort out the replication with slave's in > readonly mode (see other post) > > Brian > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From andy at spitcomp.com Tue Sep 20 18:10:14 2005 From: andy at spitcomp.com (Andrew Fisk) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:10:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT- installing Yellow Dog In-Reply-To: <200509201420.j8KEKJL25785@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200509201420.j8KEKJL25785@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <4EC3517A-2F46-42C1-BC08-22C2F7F973E0@spitcomp.com> Are you using an Apple brand keyboard -- if not wait till you get the happy mac icon at startup before holding down the C -- some third party keyboards seem to confuse the Mac Other thoughts -- do you have the hard drive set as your startup disk -- just like on an intel box -- if you tell it to boot from a hard drive it won't boot from CD -- you might even try specifying the CD as your boot disk. Last but not least the tried and true zap the parameter ram (turn the machine on while holding down Command - option -- P - R) and wait for the startup chimes to sound again then try the C option again. If none of that works you might want to unplug the internal drive and make sure your CD will boot the machine Last but not least -- the boat anchor suggestion has merit Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Sep 20, 2005, at 10:25 AM, Eric Brown wrote: > A while back, I asked questions on getting a beige Mac G3 to > netboot off of > K12LTSP 4.4.0. I found out that I couldn't. > > The suggestion was to try to install Yellow Dog Linux, and have it > work with > the server. I've burned YD 4.0.1 to cd, stuck it in the CD, > shutdown, start > while holding down the C key, and the machine still boots into > OS9. I have > a rather large bias against Macs, and this is proving everything > I've always > thougth to be true. I'd like to make this a usable machine. Any > suggestions would be greatly appricated. > > Thanks, > Eric > > Viva la Open Source! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Sep 20 18:09:24 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:09:24 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] What are you using for failover? In-Reply-To: <200509201733.j8KHXgdI026981@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200509201733.j8KHXgdI026981@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <43305054.8040903@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Have you added the updatedn bit on the slave ?? Brian Mark Sarria wrote: > This is what I did, I copied the slapd.conf file from the master and pasted > on the slave, I no longer get the error message about the ldap owner, now I > get a configuration error message on the slave server. I removed the > readonly part > > Here is a copy of my slapd.conf file > > *************************************************************** > # $OpenLDAP: pkg/ldap/servers/slapd/slapd.conf,v 1.23.2.8 2003/05/24 > 23:19:14 kurt Exp $ > # > # See slapd.conf(5) for details on configuration options. > # This file should NOT be world readable. > # > include /etc/openldap/schema/core.schema > include /etc/openldap/schema/cosine.schema > include /etc/openldap/schema/inetorgperson.schema > include /etc/openldap/schema/nis.schema > include /etc/openldap/schema/redhat/autofs.schema > include /etc/openldap/schema/samba.schema > > # Allow LDAPv2 client connections. This is NOT the default. > allow bind_v2 > > # Do not enable referrals until AFTER you have a working directory > # service AND an understanding of referrals. > #referral ldap://root.openldap.org > > pidfile /var/run/slapd.pid > #argsfile //var/run/slapd.args > > # Load dynamic backend modules: > # modulepath /usr/sbin/openldap > # moduleload back_bdb.la > # moduleload back_ldap.la > # moduleload back_ldbm.la > # moduleload back_passwd.la > # moduleload back_shell.la > > # The next three lines allow use of TLS for connections using a dummy test > # certificate, but you should generate a proper certificate by changing to > # /usr/share/ssl/certs, running "make slapd.pem", and fixing permissions on > # slapd.pem so that the ldap user or group can read it. > # TLSCACertificateFile /usr/share/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.crt > # TLSCertificateFile /usr/share/ssl/certs/slapd.pem > # TLSCertificateKeyFile /usr/share/ssl/certs/slapd.pem > > # Sample security restrictions > # Require integrity protection (prevent hijacking) > # Require 112-bit (3DES or better) encryption for updates > # Require 63-bit encryption for simple bind > # security ssf=1 update_ssf=112 simple_bind=64 > > # Sample access control policy: > # Root DSE: allow anyone to read it > # Subschema (sub)entry DSE: allow anyone to read it > # Other DSEs: > # Allow self write access > # Allow authenticated users read access > # Allow anonymous users to authenticate > # Directives needed to implement policy: > # access to dn.base="" by * read > # access to dn.base="cn=Subschema" by * read > # access to * > # by self write > # by users read > # by anonymous auth > # > # if no access controls are present, the default policy is: > # Allow read by all > # > # rootdn can always write! > > ####################################################################### > # ldbm and/or bdb database definitions > ####################################################################### > > database ldbm > suffix "dc=shs,dc=edu" > rootdn "cn=Manager,dc=shs,dc=edu" > # Cleartext passwords, especially for the rootdn, should > # be avoided. See slappasswd(8) and slapd.conf(5) for details. > # Use of strong authentication encouraged. > rootpw guesswhat > # rootpw {crypt}ijFYNcSNctBYg > > # The database directory MUST exist prior to running slapd AND > # should only be accessible by the slapd and slap tools. > # Mode 700 recommended. > directory /var/lib/ldap > > # Indices to maintain for this database > #index objectClass eq,pres > #index ou,cn,mail,surname,givenname eq,pres,sub > #index uidNumber,gidNumber,loginShell eq,pres > #index uid,memberUid eq,pres,sub > #index nisMapName,nisMapEntry eq,pres,sub > index objectClass eq > index cn pres,sub,eq > index sn pres,sub,eq > index uid pres,sub,eq > index displayName pres,sub,eq > index uidNumber eq > index gidNumber eq > index memberUID eq > index sambaSID eq > index sambaPrimaryGroupSID eq > index sambaDomainName eq > index default sub > > # Replicas of this database > #replogfile /var/lib/ldap/openldap-master-replog > #replica host=ldap-1.example.com:389 tls=yes > # bindmethod=sasl saslmech=GSSAPI > # authcId=host/ldap-master.example.com at EXAMPLE.COM > **************************************************************************** > * > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Chivers [mailto:brian at tpc.ac.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 10:06 AM > To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in > schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] What are you using for failover? > > What I did was to run slapcat -l master.ldif on the master server then to > copy over the ldif file to the slave. Then slapadd -l master.ldif on the > slave but I've learn't from experience that if you run this as root, root > owns all the files in /var/lib/ldap and ldap wont start, so it's a swift > > chown -R ldap:ldap /var/lib/ldap > service ldap restart > > on the server and away it should go. > > Today I converted one of the quieter servers over to run it's own LDAP > server backend and configured Samba to talk to this and authenticate > against itself and as long as you follow the instruction on > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/ldap/high_availability.html but REMOVE the > readonly section replication works as OK. I read in my O'Reilly book that > in readonly mode not even the rootDN can alter the database so that's > interesting to know if I want to stop anyone tweaking it while I'm away > :-) > > I've got another server to swap tonight as it's a busy one and I'll try > and fine tune my notes but it looks like it's working OK at the mo. > > Once the notes are fine tuned I'll stick them one a server and post a link > to them so everyone can have a look. > > During my experiements doing this I've found some interesting glitches > which I think I've worked round but not sure why they have happened but at > this time of year I don't care as long as it works :-) > > I'll keep you all posted > Brian > > >>When I attempt to start the ldap server on the slave server I get the >>follow >>errors coming from the /var/lib/ldap file >>MemberUid.dbb not owned by "ldap" >>Etc.... >>For every file in that directory has the same message. >> >>May I should have not copied it. Any clue on what I can do to get the >>server >>started. >> >>--mark >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >>Behalf >>Of Mark Sarria >>Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 8:57 AM >>To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' >>Subject: RE: [K12OSN] What are you using for failover? >> >>Brian, >> >>When you copied over the files from /var/lib/ldap did the permissions >>change >>to execute (-rwxr--r-) for you? >> >>--mark >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >>Behalf >>Of Brian Chivers >>Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:58 AM >>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] What are you using for failover? >> >>David Trask wrote: >> >>>"Support list for opensource software in schools." >>>on >>>Monday, September 19, 2005 at 2:36 PM +0000 wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I'm just working on a test server to see what I need to add to the >>>>minimal install to get OpenLDAP server running locally. It looks OK at >>>>the mo just have to setup the replication from the central LDAP but that >>>>might have to wait till tomorrow. >>>> >>>>Brian >>> >>> >>>Document this heavily as I can see many folks....myself included would >>>like to try it out. :-) >>> >>>David N. Trask >>>Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>>Vassalboro Community School >>>dtrask at vcsvikings.org >>>(207)923-3100 >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>OK Will do, I think I've got it working just testing at the mo. >> >>It's quite simple just got to sort out the replication with slave's in >>readonly mode (see other post) >> >>Brian >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------- >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> the views of Portsmouth College >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From petre at maltzen.net Tue Sep 20 18:24:40 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:24:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac won't netboot any more Message-ID: <433053E8.7070906@maltzen.net> My one iMac, which has been working wonderfully as a thin-client for the past couple of months, suddenly can't netboot any more. When I turn it on, the planet icon just keeps blinking on the screen, suggesting it's not getting the needed response from the DHCP server. But all my PC thin clients are booting fine. And if I boot the Mac from its hard drive (OS X), it gets an address from the DHCP just fine. So, I don't think it's an ethernet failure. Nothing had changed on the LTSP server (4.4.1). It's one of the grey/transparent iMacs, if that matters. Has anyone seen anything like this? Petre From rstewart at iccpartners.com Tue Sep 20 19:06:03 2005 From: rstewart at iccpartners.com (Rondall Stewart) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:06:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac won't netboot any more Message-ID: Not sure if it relevant, but I have seen the same problems with Dell computers. I tried switching drops and patch cables but like yourself I didn't believe it was a NIC failure but installing a new card fixed it. Rondall Stewart Technical Team Leader ICC Technology Partners (606)886-8447 ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Petre Scheie Sent: Tue 9/20/2005 2:24 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Mac won't netboot any more My one iMac, which has been working wonderfully as a thin-client for the past couple of months, suddenly can't netboot any more. When I turn it on, the planet icon just keeps blinking on the screen, suggesting it's not getting the needed response from the DHCP server. But all my PC thin clients are booting fine. And if I boot the Mac from its hard drive (OS X), it gets an address from the DHCP just fine. So, I don't think it's an ethernet failure. Nothing had changed on the LTSP server (4.4.1). It's one of the grey/transparent iMacs, if that matters. Has anyone seen anything like this? Petre _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4576 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 19:26:28 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:26:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT- installing Yellow Dog In-Reply-To: <4EC3517A-2F46-42C1-BC08-22C2F7F973E0@spitcomp.com> References: <200509201420.j8KEKJL25785@www.mi-spot.com> <4EC3517A-2F46-42C1-BC08-22C2F7F973E0@spitcomp.com> Message-ID: <43306264.2070107@gmail.com> .....or you could use it as a funky aquarium..... Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting Andrew Fisk wrote: > Are you using an Apple brand keyboard -- if not wait till you get the > happy mac icon at startup before holding down the C -- some third > party keyboards seem to confuse the Mac > > Other thoughts -- do you have the hard drive set as your startup disk > -- just like on an intel box -- if you tell it to boot from a hard > drive it won't boot from CD -- you might even try specifying the CD > as your boot disk. > > Last but not least the tried and true zap the parameter ram (turn the > machine on while holding down Command - option -- P - R) and wait for > the startup chimes to sound again then try the C option again. > > If none of that works you might want to unplug the internal drive and > make sure your CD will boot the machine > > Last but not least -- the boat anchor suggestion has merit > > > Andy > Spitfire Computer Services > 441 Beaver Street > Suite 202 > Sewickley, PA 15143 > Phone (412) 749-0162 > Fax: (412) 749-0203 > andy at spitcomp.com > www.spitcomp.com > > On Sep 20, 2005, at 10:25 AM, Eric Brown wrote: > >> A while back, I asked questions on getting a beige Mac G3 to netboot >> off of >> K12LTSP 4.4.0. I found out that I couldn't. >> >> The suggestion was to try to install Yellow Dog Linux, and have it >> work with >> the server. I've burned YD 4.0.1 to cd, stuck it in the CD, >> shutdown, start >> while holding down the C key, and the machine still boots into OS9. >> I have >> a rather large bias against Macs, and this is proving everything >> I've always >> thougth to be true. I'd like to make this a usable machine. Any >> suggestions would be greatly appricated. >> >> Thanks, >> Eric >> >> Viva la Open Source! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From Joe.Augsburger at dayscreek.k12.or.us Tue Sep 20 19:25:29 2005 From: Joe.Augsburger at dayscreek.k12.or.us (Joe Augsburger) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:25:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac won't netboot any more Message-ID: Sometimes an older mac's system prefs get corrupted. Have you tried using the startup disk control panel to set it to boot from the network? That worked this week for me with an iMac which wouldn't connect to my Linux server. Joe Days Creek SD#15 >>> rstewart at iccpartners.com 9/20/2005 12:06:03 PM >>> Not sure if it relevant, but I have seen the same problems with Dell computers. I tried switching drops and patch cables but like yourself I didn't believe it was a NIC failure but installing a new card fixed it. Rondall Stewart Technical Team Leader ICC Technology Partners (606)886-8447 ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Petre Scheie Sent: Tue 9/20/2005 2:24 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Mac won't netboot any more My one iMac, which has been working wonderfully as a thin-client for the past couple of months, suddenly can't netboot any more. When I turn it on, the planet icon just keeps blinking on the screen, suggesting it's not getting the needed response from the DHCP server. But all my PC thin clients are booting fine. And if I boot the Mac from its hard drive (OS X), it gets an address from the DHCP just fine. So, I don't think it's an ethernet failure. Nothing had changed on the LTSP server (4.4.1). It's one of the grey/transparent iMacs, if that matters. Has anyone seen anything like this? Petre _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Tue Sep 20 19:51:12 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:51:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't add second disk to FC4 In-Reply-To: <1127103550.27800.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Thanks alot! I'll get to this asap. Jim From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Tue Sep 20 20:00:13 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:00:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Where to find 64 bit k12 iso images Message-ID: Hi, I can't find my bookmark for Eric's 64 bit iso files. Help! Thanks, Jim From petre at maltzen.net Tue Sep 20 20:01:38 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:01:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac won't netboot any more In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43306AA2.4010409@maltzen.net> Yes, in the control panel I had set the boot device to be the network, two months ago when I put it in use as a client. I changed it back to boot from the local hard drive, which works including getting an address from the DHCP service on my LTSP server. If I hold down the Option key (I think that's the key) during boot, it's supposed to give a choice of booting devices (right?). But all I get is one option, the local hard disk. And holding down the N key during boot just gets the same blinking planet icon indicating it's not getting what it wants in order to boot from the network/LTSP server. I've tried switching cables, plugging it into a different port on the switch, etc., all to no avail. I'm stumped. Joe Augsburger wrote: > Sometimes an older mac's system prefs get corrupted. Have you tried using the startup disk control panel to set it to boot from the network? That worked this week for me with an iMac which wouldn't connect to my Linux server. > > Joe > Days Creek SD#15 > > > >>>>rstewart at iccpartners.com 9/20/2005 12:06:03 PM >>> > > Not sure if it relevant, but I have seen the same problems with Dell computers. I tried switching drops and patch cables but like yourself I didn't believe it was a NIC failure but installing a new card fixed it. > > Rondall Stewart > Technical Team Leader > ICC Technology Partners > (606)886-8447 > > ________________________________ > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Petre Scheie > Sent: Tue 9/20/2005 2:24 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] Mac won't netboot any more > > > > My one iMac, which has been working wonderfully as a thin-client for the past couple of > months, suddenly can't netboot any more. When I turn it on, the planet icon just keeps > blinking on the screen, suggesting it's not getting the needed response from the DHCP > server. But all my PC thin clients are booting fine. And if I boot the Mac from its > hard drive (OS X), it gets an address from the DHCP just fine. So, I don't think it's > an ethernet failure. Nothing had changed on the LTSP server (4.4.1). It's one of the > grey/transparent iMacs, if that matters. Has anyone seen anything like this? > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From Joe.Augsburger at dayscreek.k12.or.us Tue Sep 20 20:00:17 2005 From: Joe.Augsburger at dayscreek.k12.or.us (Joe Augsburger) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:00:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac won't netboot any more Message-ID: Yep, but what I'm saying is that you might try setting the control panel to the hard disk, boot once, then reset the control panel to the netboot and reboot. Only take a minute or two to test that out. That's all it took to straighten out my imac when it did the same thing you describe! My iMac also did not behave as expected using the keyboard shortcuts for booting, but from OS X terminal I could ping the terminal so I knew I had tcp/ip connectivity...tried the control panel as described above and it has worked fine all this week, even after full shut-downs. j >>> petre at maltzen.net 9/20/2005 1:01:38 PM >>> Yes, in the control panel I had set the boot device to be the network, two months ago when I put it in use as a client. I changed it back to boot from the local hard drive, which works including getting an address from the DHCP service on my LTSP server. If I hold down the Option key (I think that's the key) during boot, it's supposed to give a choice of booting devices (right?). But all I get is one option, the local hard disk. And holding down the N key during boot just gets the same blinking planet icon indicating it's not getting what it wants in order to boot from the network/LTSP server. I've tried switching cables, plugging it into a different port on the switch, etc., all to no avail. I'm stumped. Joe Augsburger wrote: > Sometimes an older mac's system prefs get corrupted. Have you tried using the startup disk control panel to set it to boot from the network? That worked this week for me with an iMac which wouldn't connect to my Linux server. > > Joe > Days Creek SD#15 > > > >>>>rstewart at iccpartners.com 9/20/2005 12:06:03 PM >>> > > Not sure if it relevant, but I have seen the same problems with Dell computers. I tried switching drops and patch cables but like yourself I didn't believe it was a NIC failure but installing a new card fixed it. > > Rondall Stewart > Technical Team Leader > ICC Technology Partners > (606)886-8447 > > ________________________________ > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Petre Scheie > Sent: Tue 9/20/2005 2:24 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] Mac won't netboot any more > > > > My one iMac, which has been working wonderfully as a thin-client for the past couple of > months, suddenly can't netboot any more. When I turn it on, the planet icon just keeps > blinking on the screen, suggesting it's not getting the needed response from the DHCP > server. But all my PC thin clients are booting fine. And if I boot the Mac from its > hard drive (OS X), it gets an address from the DHCP just fine. So, I don't think it's > an ethernet failure. Nothing had changed on the LTSP server (4.4.1). It's one of the > grey/transparent iMacs, if that matters. Has anyone seen anything like this? > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Sep 20 20:12:31 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:12:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac won't netboot any more In-Reply-To: <43306AA2.4010409@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <007801c5be1f$a1d9b430$eb9b060a@winonacotter.org> > I've tried switching cables, plugging it into a different > port on the switch, etc., all > to no avail. I'm stumped. Just for fun try booting into open firmware with cmd+option+o+f then at the prompt type "boot enet:192.168.0.1,yaboot" without the quotes and of course substitute your server IP. Let us know what that does. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.3/106 - Release Date: 9/19/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 20:10:31 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:10:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Where to find 64 bit k12 iso images In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd3175605092013102f9cb7c4@mail.gmail.com> There are no isos i believe, follow his instructions below. What OS are you putting k12linux on? P On 9/20/05, Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hi, I can't find my bookmark for Eric's 64 bit iso files. > > Help! > > Thanks, Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 20:11:03 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:11:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Where to find 64 bit k12 iso images In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605092013102f9cb7c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605092013102f9cb7c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd3175605092013115413a0c4@mail.gmail.com> opps here it is On 1/7/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > I installed the K12LTSP 4.2.0 packages on my Athlon64 laptop today. No > major issues, almost everything worked out of the box. The only real > gotchas I've seen so far: > > 1) no support for the java or flash plugins > 2) up2date does not include the K12LTSP repositories (i.e. "add > additional software does not work", which is not too big of a deal since > Java and Flash are not supported) > 3) apt does not work > > > I'll fix items #2 & #3 sometime in the near future. > > > Here are the steps I followed: > > > 0. Install FC3 x86_64. I picked a standard Desktop install. The only > things I changed from the default were: > > Firewall: trust eth0 > Network: eth0 IP=192.168.0.254 netmask 255.255.255.0 > > Once the install was completed... > > > 1. Download and install k12ltsp-release package: > > rpm -ihv ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.0/i386/Fedora/RPMS/k12ltsp-release-4.2.0-1.noarch.rpm > > > 2. Import GPG keys: > > rpm --import /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* > rpm --import ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.0/RPMS/x86-64/RPM-GPG-KEY-Fedora-Pre-Extras > > > 3. Install K12LTSP packages: > > yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-extras k12ltsp-utils k12ltsp-education > > 4. Configure K12LTSP: > > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize > > 5. Reboot > > 6. Rejoice > > > -Eric > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQBB3xiQH9eQw/Gi3tURAkv+AJ4v0I/uoLrjW4lPsFlhazFz7tAVrwCgjgyL > 29PFnJF5MlVcRtNPqUhYBRo= > =fi5l > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > On 9/20/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > There are no isos i believe, follow his instructions below. What OS > are you putting k12linux on? > > P > > On 9/20/05, Jim Christiansen wrote: > > Hi, I can't find my bookmark for Eric's 64 bit iso files. > > > > Help! > > > > Thanks, Jim > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Tue Sep 20 20:14:44 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:14:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit with k12ltsp Message-ID: I have been searching around a little more and I may be confused about the 32 bit Centos based isos for EL and a few messages about 64 bit systems with FC4... I'm looking directions about getting 64 bit k12 up on my new twin xenon. Woohoo! Thanks, Jim From petre at maltzen.net Tue Sep 20 20:17:01 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:17:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac won't netboot any more In-Reply-To: <43306AA2.4010409@maltzen.net> References: <43306AA2.4010409@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43306E3D.5020207@maltzen.net> Oh, I see, the old "change it, then change it back" trick. Good idea. I'll try that, plus Jim K's "boot enet:192.168.0.1,yaboot" method, and see what happens. Petre Scheie wrote: > Yes, in the control panel I had set the boot device to be the network, > two months ago when I put it in use as a client. I changed it back to > boot from the local hard drive, which works including getting an address > from the DHCP service on my LTSP server. If I hold down the Option key > (I think that's the key) during boot, it's supposed to give a choice of > booting devices (right?). But all I get is one option, the local hard > disk. And holding down the N key during boot just gets the same blinking > planet icon indicating it's not getting what it wants in order to boot > from the network/LTSP server. > > I've tried switching cables, plugging it into a different port on the > switch, etc., all to no avail. I'm stumped. > > Joe Augsburger wrote: > >> Sometimes an older mac's system prefs get corrupted. Have you tried >> using the startup disk control panel to set it to boot from the >> network? That worked this week for me with an iMac which wouldn't >> connect to my Linux server. >> >> Joe >> Days Creek SD#15 >> >> >> >>>>> rstewart at iccpartners.com 9/20/2005 12:06:03 PM >>> >> >> >> Not sure if it relevant, but I have seen the same problems with Dell >> computers. I tried switching drops and patch cables but like yourself >> I didn't believe it was a NIC failure but installing a new card fixed >> it. >> Rondall Stewart >> Technical Team Leader >> ICC Technology Partners >> (606)886-8447 >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Petre Scheie >> Sent: Tue 9/20/2005 2:24 PM >> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >> Subject: [K12OSN] Mac won't netboot any more >> >> >> >> My one iMac, which has been working wonderfully as a thin-client for >> the past couple of >> months, suddenly can't netboot any more. When I turn it on, the >> planet icon just keeps >> blinking on the screen, suggesting it's not getting the needed >> response from the DHCP >> server. But all my PC thin clients are booting fine. And if I boot >> the Mac from its >> hard drive (OS X), it gets an address from the DHCP just fine. So, I >> don't think it's >> an ethernet failure. Nothing had changed on the LTSP server (4.4.1). >> It's one of the >> grey/transparent iMacs, if that matters. Has anyone seen anything >> like this? >> >> Petre >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For >> more info see >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Sep 20 20:23:16 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:23:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac won't netboot any more In-Reply-To: <43306E3D.5020207@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <007e01c5be21$225ff780$eb9b060a@winonacotter.org> > Oh, I see, the old "change it, then change it back" trick. > Good idea. I'll try that, > plus Jim K's "boot enet:192.168.0.1,yaboot" method, and see > what happens. The boot enet thing is only temporary and will only work for that instance, but it bypasses all the other crap and lets you know if your problem is local or on the server. If you want to permanantly set where to boot in the firmware there is another set of commands. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.3/106 - Release Date: 9/19/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Sep 20 20:58:44 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:58:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Numlock Message-ID: <43307804.9050406@honeygroveisd.net> Is there a hack somewhere to set the numlock to "on" by default for all clients? -- C-ya, Mark ____ Prior to 1900, prize fights lasted up to 100 rounds. From andy at spitcomp.com Tue Sep 20 21:08:15 2005 From: andy at spitcomp.com (Andrew Fisk) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:08:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT- installing Yellow Dog In-Reply-To: <43306264.2070107@gmail.com> References: <200509201420.j8KEKJL25785@www.mi-spot.com> <4EC3517A-2F46-42C1-BC08-22C2F7F973E0@spitcomp.com> <43306264.2070107@gmail.com> Message-ID: Too many holes to make a good aquarium -- you need the old all in one design or maybe an i-mac. Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Sep 20, 2005, at 3:26 PM, Keith Olson wrote: > .....or you could use it as a funky aquarium..... > > Keith Olson > K-Soft Consulting > > Andrew Fisk wrote: > > >> Are you using an Apple brand keyboard -- if not wait till you get >> the happy mac icon at startup before holding down the C -- some >> third party keyboards seem to confuse the Mac >> >> Other thoughts -- do you have the hard drive set as your startup >> disk -- just like on an intel box -- if you tell it to boot from >> a hard drive it won't boot from CD -- you might even try >> specifying the CD as your boot disk. >> >> Last but not least the tried and true zap the parameter ram (turn >> the machine on while holding down Command - option -- P - R) and >> wait for the startup chimes to sound again then try the C option >> again. >> >> If none of that works you might want to unplug the internal drive >> and make sure your CD will boot the machine >> >> Last but not least -- the boat anchor suggestion has merit >> >> >> Andy >> Spitfire Computer Services >> 441 Beaver Street >> Suite 202 >> Sewickley, PA 15143 >> Phone (412) 749-0162 >> Fax: (412) 749-0203 >> andy at spitcomp.com >> www.spitcomp.com >> >> On Sep 20, 2005, at 10:25 AM, Eric Brown wrote: >> >> >>> A while back, I asked questions on getting a beige Mac G3 to >>> netboot off of >>> K12LTSP 4.4.0. I found out that I couldn't. >>> >>> The suggestion was to try to install Yellow Dog Linux, and have >>> it work with >>> the server. I've burned YD 4.0.1 to cd, stuck it in the CD, >>> shutdown, start >>> while holding down the C key, and the machine still boots into >>> OS9. I have >>> a rather large bias against Macs, and this is proving everything >>> I've always >>> thougth to be true. I'd like to make this a usable machine. Any >>> suggestions would be greatly appricated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Eric >>> >>> Viva la Open Source! >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Sep 20 22:01:16 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:01:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Numlock Message-ID: <433086AC.5030908@honeygroveisd.net> > Should be able to set that in the BIOS -- of course you have to visit > each machine. I have that option set in the BIOS, and the numlock is active until the LTSP kernel starts to load. At that point it's deactivated and must be pressed again to activate. If you're accustomed to using the 10-key to enter a numeric password it's really quite a hassle, and once again the cry of "I like Windows better!" resounds throughout the hallways. -- C-ya, Mark ____ The microwave was invented after a researcher walked by a radar tube and a chocolate bar melted in his pocket. From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Sep 20 21:50:07 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:50:07 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT- installing Yellow Dog Message-ID: <200509210002.j8L025g12711@downeast.net> far as i know no one has a built a kernel for g3 that could reside on hard rive and use mklinux or yaboot to install that local hard drive..i have done this with nubus machines like 5260 and 6100...it is possible bil_C's kernel could be booted straight from the hard dribve a beige g3 using yaboot..chuck > A while back, I asked questions on getting a beige Mac G3 to netboot off of > K12LTSP 4.4.0. I found out that I couldn't. > > The suggestion was to try to install Yellow Dog Linux, and have it work with > the server. I've burned YD 4.0.1 to cd, stuck it in the CD, shutdown, start > while holding down the C key, and the machine still boots into OS9. I have > a rather large bias against Macs, and this is proving everything I've always > thougth to be true. I'd like to make this a usable machine. Any > suggestions would be greatly appricated. > > Thanks, > Eric > > Viva la Open Source! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Sep 20 22:16:32 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:16:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT- installing Yellow Dog In-Reply-To: <200509201420.j8KEKJL25785@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200509201420.j8KEKJL25785@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <1127254592.13449.43.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> You're better off with YDL 2.3 or maybe 3.0. 4.0 no longer officially supports anything that doesn't have the NewWorld booting architecture. Beige anythings, including G3's, are OldWorld. It's my understanding that some PowerBook G3's are OldWorld boxes. I've done YDL 2.3 on a Power Mac 9600 with good results. All you need is the basic command-line stuff and X11; you don't need GNOME, KDE, or any of the rest. This is the same strategy I used to use with Sun UltraSPARCs (RHL 6.2 and SuSE 7.3) before I learned how to netboot them. --TP On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 09:25 -0500, Eric Brown wrote: > A while back, I asked questions on getting a beige Mac G3 to netboot off of > K12LTSP 4.4.0. I found out that I couldn't. > > The suggestion was to try to install Yellow Dog Linux, and have it work with > the server. I've burned YD 4.0.1 to cd, stuck it in the CD, shutdown, start > while holding down the C key, and the machine still boots into OS9. I have > a rather large bias against Macs, and this is proving everything I've always > thougth to be true. I'd like to make this a usable machine. Any > suggestions would be greatly appricated. > > Thanks, > Eric > > Viva la Open Source! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andy at spitcomp.com Tue Sep 20 22:18:52 2005 From: andy at spitcomp.com (Andrew Fisk) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:18:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Numlock In-Reply-To: <433086AC.5030908@honeygroveisd.net> References: <433086AC.5030908@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: OK try this http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Hardware/ How_to_Get_the_NumLock_Key_to_Stay_On.html -- just a little aside -- given that hitting the numlock key isn't beyond even those folks yelling in the hallway! I had an "executive" secretary berate for "misprograming" her computer -- all her lower case letters were capitals and her upper case letters were lowercase -- she would finish a letter, select all and change case to make things right. She was much happier once after I told her to very carefully press the caps lock key -- just once. Thanks Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Sep 20, 2005, at 6:01 PM, Mark Cockrell wrote: >> Should be able to set that in the BIOS -- of course you have to >> visit each machine. >> > > > I have that option set in the BIOS, and the numlock is active until > the LTSP kernel starts to load. At that point it's deactivated and > must be pressed again to activate. If you're accustomed to using > the 10-key to enter a numeric password it's really quite a hassle, > and once again the cry of "I like Windows better!" resounds > throughout the hallways. > > -- > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > The microwave was invented after a researcher walked by a radar > tube and a chocolate bar melted in his pocket. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Sep 20 22:00:36 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:00:36 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT- installing Yellow Dog Message-ID: <200509210012.j8L0CZg14267@downeast.net> i talked to bill_c who built the macintosh kernel..sees no reason that could not be used via yaboot locally...without installing YZDL..only prob is....no one has ever tried it 8~)..chuck > You're better off with YDL 2.3 or maybe 3.0. 4.0 no longer officially > supports anything that doesn't have the NewWorld booting architecture. > Beige anythings, including G3's, are OldWorld. It's my understanding > that some PowerBook G3's are OldWorld boxes. > > I've done YDL 2.3 on a Power Mac 9600 with good results. All you need > is the basic command-line stuff and X11; you don't need GNOME, KDE, or > any of the rest. This is the same strategy I used to use with Sun > UltraSPARCs (RHL 6.2 and SuSE 7.3) before I learned how to netboot them. > > --TP > > On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 09:25 -0500, Eric Brown wrote: > > > A while back, I asked questions on getting a beige Mac G3 to netboot off of > > K12LTSP 4.4.0. I found out that I couldn't. > > > > The suggestion was to try to install Yellow Dog Linux, and have it work with > > the server. I've burned YD 4.0.1 to cd, stuck it in the CD, shutdown, start > > while holding down the C key, and the machine still boots into OS9. I have > > a rather large bias against Macs, and this is proving everything I've always > > thougth to be true. I'd like to make this a usable machine. Any > > suggestions would be greatly appricated. > > > > Thanks, > > Eric > > > > Viva la Open Source! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Sep 20 21:08:11 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:08:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Numlock In-Reply-To: <43307804.9050406@honeygroveisd.net> References: <43307804.9050406@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <43307A3B.7010106@inlandlakes.org> Mark Cockrell wrote: > Is there a hack somewhere to set the numlock to "on" by default for all > clients? > I think this is a BIOS issue... I could be wrong though, it's happened lots before. Today even... -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 23:01:48 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:01:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT- installing Yellow Dog In-Reply-To: References: <200509201420.j8KEKJL25785@www.mi-spot.com> <4EC3517A-2F46-42C1-BC08-22C2F7F973E0@spitcomp.com> <43306264.2070107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <433094DC.8050204@gmail.com> Eh. That's what duct tape & old glare screens are for. Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting Andrew Fisk wrote: > Too many holes to make a good aquarium -- you need the old all in > one design or maybe an i-mac. > > > Andy > Spitfire Computer Services > 441 Beaver Street > Suite 202 > Sewickley, PA 15143 > Phone (412) 749-0162 > Fax: (412) 749-0203 > andy at spitcomp.com > www.spitcomp.com > > On Sep 20, 2005, at 3:26 PM, Keith Olson wrote: > >> .....or you could use it as a funky aquarium..... >> >> Keith Olson >> K-Soft Consulting >> >> Andrew Fisk wrote: >> >> >>> Are you using an Apple brand keyboard -- if not wait till you get >>> the happy mac icon at startup before holding down the C -- some >>> third party keyboards seem to confuse the Mac >>> >>> Other thoughts -- do you have the hard drive set as your startup >>> disk -- just like on an intel box -- if you tell it to boot from a >>> hard drive it won't boot from CD -- you might even try specifying >>> the CD as your boot disk. >>> >>> Last but not least the tried and true zap the parameter ram (turn >>> the machine on while holding down Command - option -- P - R) and >>> wait for the startup chimes to sound again then try the C option >>> again. >>> >>> If none of that works you might want to unplug the internal drive >>> and make sure your CD will boot the machine >>> >>> Last but not least -- the boat anchor suggestion has merit >>> >>> >>> Andy >>> Spitfire Computer Services >>> 441 Beaver Street >>> Suite 202 >>> Sewickley, PA 15143 >>> Phone (412) 749-0162 >>> Fax: (412) 749-0203 >>> andy at spitcomp.com >>> www.spitcomp.com >>> >>> On Sep 20, 2005, at 10:25 AM, Eric Brown wrote: >>> >>> >>>> A while back, I asked questions on getting a beige Mac G3 to >>>> netboot off of >>>> K12LTSP 4.4.0. I found out that I couldn't. >>>> >>>> The suggestion was to try to install Yellow Dog Linux, and have >>>> it work with >>>> the server. I've burned YD 4.0.1 to cd, stuck it in the CD, >>>> shutdown, start >>>> while holding down the C key, and the machine still boots into >>>> OS9. I have >>>> a rather large bias against Macs, and this is proving everything >>>> I've always >>>> thougth to be true. I'd like to make this a usable machine. Any >>>> suggestions would be greatly appricated. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> Viva la Open Source! >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From tjiron at comcast.net Wed Sep 21 03:44:32 2005 From: tjiron at comcast.net (tjiron at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 03:44:32 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Core 4 and LTSP - When? Message-ID: <092120050344.17473.4330D72000052D4600004441220073484002019D07069B@comcast.net> Does anyone know when Fedora Core 4 with LTSP if / is coming? Thanks, Tony From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Wed Sep 21 04:24:49 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:24:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Core 4 and LTSP - When? In-Reply-To: <092120050344.17473.4330D72000052D4600004441220073484002019D07069B@comcast.net> References: <092120050344.17473.4330D72000052D4600004441220073484002019D07069B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4330E091.5010405@parkrose.k12.or.us> tjiron at comcast.net wrote: > Does anyone know when Fedora Core 4 with LTSP if / is coming? It's been out for a while: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.1/iso/ -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From gkw-x at shaw.ca Wed Sep 21 11:14:04 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 04:14:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Message-ID: <4331407C.4060909@shaw.ca> Hello, I am trying to get the internet working on my client machines. They have a separate proxy server set up already at 192.168.100.254:3128. My k12ltsp server is behind that server. If I log in as root, and set this in the eth1 settings, then set the proxy information in Firefox, I can browse the web. However, then I have to configure the proxy settings in Firefox for every student account. Is there any way to set this up so that these proxy settings are not needed? Such as, the eth1 nic gets its own address for the proxy server, then just forwards internet to the student pcs on its own? Or am I really confused. Thanks, Matt From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Sep 21 11:21:43 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:21:43 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Message-ID: <200509211333.j8LDXcg26858@downeast.net> transparent proxy is what you are looking for...chuck > Hello, > > I am trying to get the internet working on my client machines. They have > a separate proxy server set up already at 192.168.100.254:3128. My > k12ltsp server is behind that server. If I log in as root, and set this > in the eth1 settings, then set the proxy information in Firefox, I can > browse the web. However, then I have to configure the proxy settings in > Firefox for every student account. Is there any way to set this up so > that these proxy settings are not needed? Such as, the eth1 nic gets its > own address for the proxy server, then just forwards internet to the > student pcs on its own? Or am I really confused. > > Thanks, > Matt > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Sep 21 12:26:44 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:26:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Core 4 and LTSP - When? In-Reply-To: <092120050344.17473.4330D72000052D4600004441220073484002019D07069B@comcast.net> References: <092120050344.17473.4330D72000052D4600004441220073484002019D07069B@comcast.net> Message-ID: Ummm...dude....where ya' been? Been out since spring....been final for quite a while.....K12LTSP 4.41....snag it on the www.k12ltsp.org web site "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 at 11:44 PM +0000 wrote: >Does anyone know when Fedora Core 4 with LTSP if / is coming? > >Thanks, > >Tony > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Sep 21 12:26:44 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:26:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Core 4 and LTSP - When? In-Reply-To: <092120050344.17473.4330D72000052D4600004441220073484002019D07069B@comcast.net> References: <092120050344.17473.4330D72000052D4600004441220073484002019D07069B@comcast.net> Message-ID: Ummm...dude....where ya' been? Been out since spring....been final for quite a while.....K12LTSP 4.41....snag it on the www.k12ltsp.org web site "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 at 11:44 PM +0000 wrote: >Does anyone know when Fedora Core 4 with LTSP if / is coming? > >Thanks, > >Tony > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Wed Sep 21 12:48:37 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:48:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac won't netboot any more In-Reply-To: <007e01c5be21$225ff780$eb9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <007e01c5be21$225ff780$eb9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <433156A5.7060405@maltzen.net> The bad news is that Joe's suggestion, change the boot device back to the local hard disk and then change it again back to netboot, did not fix the problem; when set to netboot, it still just sits there with the blinking world icon. And changing the boot device to the local disk but then holding down the N key during boot also does not work. However, the good news is that Jim's 'boot enet:192.168.0.1,yaboot' method DID work. So, what does that mean? What are the commands to permanently set the firmware to netboot? As important, what are the commands to change it back to booting from the local drive, for future reference? Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Oh, I see, the old "change it, then change it back" trick. >>Good idea. I'll try that, >>plus Jim K's "boot enet:192.168.0.1,yaboot" method, and see >>what happens. > > > The boot enet thing is only temporary and will only work for that > instance, but it bypasses all the other crap and lets you know if your > problem is local or on the server. If you want to permanantly set where > to boot in the firmware there is another set of commands. > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Sep 21 13:08:25 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:08:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP In-Reply-To: <4331407C.4060909@shaw.ca> References: <4331407C.4060909@shaw.ca> Message-ID: First....if you can set your proxy up as a transparent proxy (it must be located at the "choke point" of your network...right behind the router) this will force everyone through the proxy thus negating the need for browser settings. However....if you can't do that or if you use pam_auth for the proxy....you can do something like this below....I posted this a couple of weeks ago.... I noticed that every users profile has a file prefs.js.....so I then searched the computer to see if there was a "master" prefs file...and there is....in /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.6/defaults/profile/ This is where the initial "pull" of prefs comes from....so I simply set the proxy settings for one user....then looked at their prefs.js file.....copied the lines with the proxy info.....and pasted into /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.6/defaults/profile/ prefs.js and voila! that is now the default! Yay! Understand that the prefs file for a user is found in the users home folder (it's hidden) cd /home/username ls -la and you'll see the .mozilla folder....look in the profiles directory and the profile for a file called prefs.js look at it with a text editor and you'll see the lines that apply to proxy stuff...then follow the instructions above. HTH! :-) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 at 7:14 AM +0000 wrote: >Hello, > >I am trying to get the internet working on my client machines. They have >a separate proxy server set up already at 192.168.100.254:3128. My >k12ltsp server is behind that server. If I log in as root, and set this >in the eth1 settings, then set the proxy information in Firefox, I can >browse the web. However, then I have to configure the proxy settings in >Firefox for every student account. Is there any way to set this up so >that these proxy settings are not needed? Such as, the eth1 nic gets its >own address for the proxy server, then just forwards internet to the >student pcs on its own? Or am I really confused. > >Thanks, >Matt > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Sep 21 13:10:52 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:10:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac won't netboot any more In-Reply-To: <433156A5.7060405@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <001301c5bead$e4ee4f90$eb9b060a@winonacotter.org> > So, what does that mean? What are the commands to > permanently set the firmware to > netboot? As important, what are the commands to change it > back to booting from the > local drive, for future reference? My guess is that for some reason it is having trouble figuring out that it needs the yaboot file and putting the ,yaboot after the IP tells it what it needs. For fun try the same command but leave the ,yaboot off of the end and see what happens. If this fails without the ,yaboot then either your lts.conf changed somehow with either a yum update or something or another dhcp server is taking the requests and doesn't have the right information to hand out. I would search for another dhcp process as the culprit. To permanently add this to firmware follow the instructions below. Place the ,yaboot after the IP in the first step if you do determine that is needed. To set back simply boot off of a CD and select a new startup disk. There are firmware commands as well but I can't remember them. Boot with apple+option+o+f again Type the follwing at the command line: setenv boot-device enet:192.168.0.254 Hit enter. setenv auto-boot? true Hit enter. reset-all Hit enter. The machine should reboot and now automatically boot to ltsp every time it is powered up. Tip: If for some reason your machine will not boot after entering boot enet:192.168.0.254 with some error that it cannot find a boot loader or whatever, try this: boot enet:192.168.0.254,yaboot -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.3/107 - Release Date: 9/20/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Wed Sep 21 13:28:49 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:28:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac won't netboot any more In-Reply-To: <001301c5bead$e4ee4f90$eb9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001301c5bead$e4ee4f90$eb9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <43316011.8010108@maltzen.net> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > ...something or another dhcp server is taking the requests and doesn't have > the right information to hand out. I would search for another dhcp > process as the culprit. > I just discovered last night that someone had installed an Airport on the network recently and its DHCP is handing out addresses on a different subnet. I think I'll see about removing it and see if the problem goes away, and if it does, then restrict the Airport to only working with the one laptop it is currently supporting. Thanks Jim. Petre From henryhartley at westat.com Wed Sep 21 13:36:31 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:36:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Numlock Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E8DA@MAILBE2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Cockrell >> >> > Should be able to set that in the BIOS -- of course you have >> > to visit each machine. >> >> I have that option set in the BIOS, and the numlock is active >> until the LTSP kernel starts to load. At that point it's >> deactivated and must be pressed again to activate. If you're >> accustomed to using the 10-key to enter a numeric password it's >> really quite a hassle, and once again the cry of "I like Windows >> better!" resounds throughout the hallways. I agree with others that it's not hard to press the NumLock key once. On the other hand, this is something that Microsoft has gotten right for a long (LONG) time and Linux still doesn't get it. This SHOULD be a BIOS issue but Linux and its various subsystems seem to think they know better. Linux (and its various subsystems) should leave it alone. Utilities and hacks should be required to change the NumLock setting from what the BIOS says, not to get it BACK to what the BIOS says. On this issue - and perhaps only on this issue :) - Windows is smarter than Linux. Personally, I'd rather a keyboard without a NumLock key and those keys permanently set to numbers. After all, I've got a complete set of dedicated arrow keys. But to illustrate how subjective this is, I've got users who turn NumLock off and use the keypad for arrows and never use the dedicated arrow keys. -- Henry From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Sep 21 15:54:31 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:54:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac won't netboot any more In-Reply-To: <43316011.8010108@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <002501c5bec4$c17ba320$eb9b060a@winonacotter.org> > I just discovered last night that someone had installed an > Airport on the network > recently and its DHCP is handing out addresses on a different > subnet. I think I'll see > about removing it and see if the problem goes away, and if it > does, then restrict the > Airport to only working with the one laptop it is currently > supporting. I'll bet after that things work just fine :-) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.3/107 - Release Date: 9/20/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From berny at technology.net.au Wed Sep 21 16:30:29 2005 From: berny at technology.net.au (Berny Stapleton) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:30:29 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba-ldap installer Message-ID: <1127320229.3438.48.camel@bstapleton.balham.technology.net.au> Hi there, I am new to the list, and was wondering if I could get some information regarding the status of the samba-ldap installer. There was a post to Slashdot the other day regarding this script, and I was working on something similar for Fedora Core 4 / Fedora Directory Server. Having discovered this script, I was wondering where things are at. I noticed on the web page for this script http://majen.net/smbldap/ that there is a 2.0 alpha script available. I figure there is no point re-inventing the wheel, so thought I should do something about it. I was wondering if there is anything else there or any way that I could help. If the people who are working on this could contact me regarding this and how I could help then that would be great. Thanks Berny From bill.bardon at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 17:20:00 2005 From: bill.bardon at gmail.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:20:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] News article about school's LTSP installation In-Reply-To: <1127320229.3438.48.camel@bstapleton.balham.technology.net.au> References: <1127320229.3438.48.camel@bstapleton.balham.technology.net.au> Message-ID: <20050921122000.29e4d53b@localhost.localdomain> An article about LTSP being installed in an English school of 350 students can be found here: http://sourcewire.com/releases/rel_display.php?relid=22707&hilite= It's also linked to at LinuxToday.com. It's not clear if it's an LTSP or K12LTSP install. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 17:27:55 2005 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:27:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] News article about school's LTSP installation In-Reply-To: <20050921122000.29e4d53b@localhost.localdomain> References: <1127320229.3438.48.camel@bstapleton.balham.technology.net.au> <20050921122000.29e4d53b@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <69b790a805092110275ae84d10@mail.gmail.com> On 9/21/05, Bill Bardon wrote: > An article about LTSP being installed in an English school of 350 > students can be found here: > > http://sourcewire.com/releases/rel_display.php?relid=22707&hilite= > > It's also linked to at LinuxToday.com. It's not clear if it's an LTSP or > K12LTSP install. The Sirius site had additional details: "K12 educational package suite, including Klogo and Tuxtyping software amongst dozens of other programs." Roger From ollenotna2000 at yahoo.it Wed Sep 21 17:31:52 2005 From: ollenotna2000 at yahoo.it (Antonello Facchetti) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:31:52 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] migration question - nfs freezing? In-Reply-To: <432EEF96.8060408@maltzen.net> References: <20050915132636.4827f3cd@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> <43297741.40003@inlandlakes.org> <432EE466.1040308@yahoo.it> <432EECCA.7070108@maltzen.net> <432EEF96.8060408@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43319908.5050204@yahoo.it> Petre Scheie wrote: > I had a similar problem with an older client that was running an ISA 3Com NIC over coax. Jim McQuillan pointed me to http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS to fix the problem. Also, this past weekend, I tried out an old 486 with a PCI NIC (with a RealTek 8139 chip) that had similar symptoms when it was connected to my 100Mbit switch. I moved it to an old 10Mbit hub, which then had an upstream link to the 100Mbit switch to which the server was connected, and then it worked fine. HTH > > Petre > that was it! I solved the problem adding the two lines suggested in the wiki to lts.conf. The problem was caused by 100Mbit nics connecting through a 100/1000 switch to a server with 1000Mbit nic. thank you a lot Antonello From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Sep 21 18:16:50 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:16:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting the monitor to shut off after a period of inactivity... Message-ID: <4331A392.6030100@snarlnet.com> Does anyone know how to get the monitor to turn off after half an hour or so of inactivity? I added the following to my defaults in lts.conf because it popped up on this list X_DPMS = Y X_DPMS_STANDBYTIME = 5 X_DPMS_OFFTIME = 30 X_DPMS_SUSPENDTIME = 15 But it didn't do nothin'... Various monitors. It's the FC2 based K12LTSP, I'm bad at linux distro version numbers. Any clues about things to try would be appreciated. I'm not intererested in a screensaver, I'm trying to save power without having to manually shut the monitor off when the kids walk away. Thanks, ck From gkw-x at shaw.ca Wed Sep 21 19:27:28 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:27:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP In-Reply-To: References: <4331407C.4060909@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <4331B420.7090708@shaw.ca> The proxy is a redhat server, and I have root access to it. I'm not the one that configured it so I'm not sure what his reasoning was for setting it up the way it is, but transparent proxy sounds like it would be good... They have a lot of problems because of proxy settings, they always think the internet doesn't work when it's just that the browser settings were wrong... Is it very difficult to set up transparent proxy? Anyone have a link handy that explains it? I found one and it talks about recompiling the kernel... I don't think I want to get into that. David Trask wrote: > First....if you can set your proxy up as a transparent proxy (it must be > located at the "choke point" of your network...right behind the router) > this will force everyone through the proxy thus negating the need for > browser settings. However....if you can't do that or if you use pam_auth > for the proxy....you can do something like this below....I posted this a > couple of weeks ago.... > > I noticed that every users profile has a file prefs.js.....so I then > searched the computer to see if there was a "master" prefs file...and > there is....in /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.6/defaults/profile/ This is where > the initial "pull" of prefs comes from....so I simply set the proxy > settings for one user....then looked at their prefs.js file.....copied the > lines with the proxy info.....and pasted into > /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.6/defaults/profile/ prefs.js and voila! that is now > the default! Yay! > > Understand that the prefs file for a user is found in the users home > folder (it's hidden) > > cd /home/username > ls -la > > and you'll see the .mozilla folder....look in the profiles directory and > the profile for a file called prefs.js look at it with a text editor and > you'll see the lines that apply to proxy stuff...then follow the > instructions above. HTH! :-) > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, September 21, 2005 at 7:14 AM +0000 wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>I am trying to get the internet working on my client machines. They have >>a separate proxy server set up already at 192.168.100.254:3128. My >>k12ltsp server is behind that server. If I log in as root, and set this >>in the eth1 settings, then set the proxy information in Firefox, I can >>browse the web. However, then I have to configure the proxy settings in >>Firefox for every student account. Is there any way to set this up so >>that these proxy settings are not needed? Such as, the eth1 nic gets its >>own address for the proxy server, then just forwards internet to the >>student pcs on its own? Or am I really confused. >> >>Thanks, >>Matt >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Sep 21 19:48:13 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:48:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba-ldap installer In-Reply-To: <1127320229.3438.48.camel@bstapleton.balham.technology.net.au> References: <1127320229.3438.48.camel@bstapleton.balham.technology.net.au> Message-ID: I'm the "documentation guy for the smbldap-installer"....see the docs in the script and this site http://www.vcsvikings.org/linux/smbldap The alpha script works fine (many of us are using it in production servers)....we just haven't changed the name *sheepish grin* It's Open Source so feel free to snag it and make it better. One thing we're looking to do on the script is make it all work with Ubunut...which shouldn't be a big issue, but we need someone to write a Debian version of "authconfig" for non-Redhat platforms like Debian...etc. Brian Chivers has a how-to coming out in a few days on how to create a slave-master ldap setup....it looks pretty easy and slick....it'd be cool to script that and have a "slave" version of the smbldap-installer to set up the slave machine. I've cc'd this message to Matt, but by all means...feel free to jump in :-) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 at 12:30 PM +0000 wrote: >Hi there, > >I am new to the list, and was wondering if I could get some information >regarding the status of the samba-ldap installer. > >There was a post to Slashdot the other day regarding this script, and I >was working on something similar for Fedora Core 4 / Fedora Directory >Server. Having discovered this script, I was wondering where things are >at. I noticed on the web page for this script http://majen.net/smbldap/ >that there is a 2.0 alpha script available. I figure there is no point >re-inventing the wheel, so thought I should do something about it. > >I was wondering if there is anything else there or any way that I could >help. > >If the people who are working on this could contact me regarding this >and how I could help then that would be great. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Sep 21 19:48:13 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:48:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba-ldap installer In-Reply-To: <1127320229.3438.48.camel@bstapleton.balham.technology.net.au> References: <1127320229.3438.48.camel@bstapleton.balham.technology.net.au> Message-ID: I'm the "documentation guy for the smbldap-installer"....see the docs in the script and this site http://www.vcsvikings.org/linux/smbldap The alpha script works fine (many of us are using it in production servers)....we just haven't changed the name *sheepish grin* It's Open Source so feel free to snag it and make it better. One thing we're looking to do on the script is make it all work with Ubunut...which shouldn't be a big issue, but we need someone to write a Debian version of "authconfig" for non-Redhat platforms like Debian...etc. Brian Chivers has a how-to coming out in a few days on how to create a slave-master ldap setup....it looks pretty easy and slick....it'd be cool to script that and have a "slave" version of the smbldap-installer to set up the slave machine. I've cc'd this message to Matt, but by all means...feel free to jump in :-) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 at 12:30 PM +0000 wrote: >Hi there, > >I am new to the list, and was wondering if I could get some information >regarding the status of the samba-ldap installer. > >There was a post to Slashdot the other day regarding this script, and I >was working on something similar for Fedora Core 4 / Fedora Directory >Server. Having discovered this script, I was wondering where things are >at. I noticed on the web page for this script http://majen.net/smbldap/ >that there is a 2.0 alpha script available. I figure there is no point >re-inventing the wheel, so thought I should do something about it. > >I was wondering if there is anything else there or any way that I could >help. > >If the people who are working on this could contact me regarding this >and how I could help then that would be great. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Sep 21 20:52:15 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:52:15 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Mac won't netboot any more Message-ID: <200509212304.j8LN47g09506@downeast.net> id swear the gd airports default to serving out dhcp..first class pain in the tail..chuck > > I just discovered last night that someone had installed an > > Airport on the network > > recently and its DHCP is handing out addresses on a different > > subnet. I think I'll see > > about removing it and see if the problem goes away, and if it > > does, then restrict the > > Airport to only working with the one laptop it is currently > > supporting. > > I'll bet after that things work just fine :-) > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Vi > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.3/107 - Release Date: > 9/20/2005 > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Sep 21 21:21:14 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:21:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac won't netboot any more In-Reply-To: <200509212304.j8LN47g09506@downeast.net> References: <200509212304.j8LN47g09506@downeast.net> Message-ID: <20050921212004.M1263@winonacotter.org> > id swear the gd airports default to serving out dhcp..first class > pain in the tail..chuck Yeah, I wish they defaulted to network bridging with DHCP off. Who the heck uses a airport in standalone mode? They are almost always hanging off of another network. Stupid Apple :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Wed Sep 21 21:41:25 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:41:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Numlock In-Reply-To: <433086AC.5030908@honeygroveisd.net> References: <433086AC.5030908@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1127338885.2113.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> http://www.thesymbiont.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=158&Itemid=128 Try that link. On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 17:01 -0500, Mark Cockrell wrote: > > Should be able to set that in the BIOS -- of course you have to visit > > each machine. > > > I have that option set in the BIOS, and the numlock is active until the > LTSP kernel starts to load. At that point it's deactivated and must be > pressed again to activate. If you're accustomed to using the 10-key to > enter a numeric password it's really quite a hassle, and once again the > cry of "I like Windows better!" resounds throughout the hallways. > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Sep 21 22:26:33 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:26:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Core 4 and LTSP - When? In-Reply-To: References: <092120050344.17473.4330D72000052D4600004441220073484002019D07069B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1127341593.13449.50.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Yes, but the Web site isn't updated to reflect this, nor does it refer to to v4.2.1EL. Maybe he's new to the list and didn't see Eric's email. BTW, I hereby volunteer to update the Web site if the Webmasters could use an extra hand. --TP On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 08:26 -0400, David Trask wrote: > Ummm...dude....where ya' been? Been out since spring....been final for > quite a while.....K12LTSP 4.41....snag it on the www.k12ltsp.org web site > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, September 20, 2005 at 11:44 PM +0000 wrote: > >Does anyone know when Fedora Core 4 with LTSP if / is coming? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Tony > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Sep 21 22:30:31 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:30:31 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Mac won't netboot any more Message-ID: <200509220042.j8M0gNg22988@downeast.net> Jim dont suppose youve played much with bootx on g3 have you?? that is the last apple class we have not addressed..i think bill_c'skernel will work fine if we can gett bootx or yabot to load it..chuck > > id swear the gd airports default to serving out dhcp..first class > > pain in the tail..chuck > > Yeah, I wish they defaulted to network bridging with DHCP off. Who the heck > uses a airport in standalone mode? They are almost always hanging off of > another network. > > Stupid Apple :-) > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Wed Sep 21 23:41:11 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:41:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Using replication In-Reply-To: <432F330B.7070400@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200509212342.j8LNgltF014316@mx1.redhat.com> When I start my ldap service on the slave server, the slapdis the only one the start, on my master server the slapd and slurpd start, Is this correct, should the slurpd start on the slave as well? --mark -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brian Chivers Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:52 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Using replication I've followed the instructions on http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/ldap/high_availability.html to setup a master & slave ldap servers for replication but I'm having a problem with the readonly option. If I set this option to on, in the slave config the replication doesn't work and I get an error in the log on the master. Is it possible to run the slave in readonly mode but still have replication working, I'm using the rootdn to bind with so I thought this would override the readonly option. Has anyone setup ldap replication ? Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Sep 22 00:08:30 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 00:08:30 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Mac won't netboot any more Message-ID: <200509220220.j8M2KLg05555@downeast.net> Jim Here are some notes on using weirdx on os9 to hook to ltsp server.. begin with the instructions at http://www.macorchard.com/summer/server.html#WeirdX sn9 where it tells you to download the WeirdX .jar file, make sure you get version 1.0.31, and not the version 1.0.32 that it links to. http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/weirdx/weirdx-1.0.31.jar?download sn9 in the second set of steps, after step 3 but before step 4, click on the Properties icon and enter the following: sn9 Name: weirdx.xdmcp.mode Value: query sn9 Name: weirdx.xdmcp.address Value: 10.0.0.254 (or whatever) sn9 Name: weirdx.display.acl Value: +10.0.0.254 (or whatever) sn9 Name: weirdx.display.threebutton Value: yes (possibly optional -- haven't tried without it) it may also be worth mentioning that i also tried MI/X in addition to WeirdX, but they never implemented XDMCP, so it wasn't suitable, although it would have been vastly superior because it's native rather than Java although it may be possible to use MI/X when tunneled over MacSSH because XDMCP wouldn't be involved near as i can tell looks like the acl property can be set to simply "+" sn9 the threebutton property is indeed not needed, and things work faster without it sn9 all three mouse buttons work with a one-button mouse as expected sn9 opt-click is middle-click and cmd-click is right-click, just like in Apple's X11 for OSX --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Thu Sep 22 00:58:49 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:58:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Using replication In-Reply-To: <200509212342.j8LNgltF014316@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200509220100.j8M10Pkc000725@mx1.redhat.com> My Replication server is working I have a Master-Slave LDAP server, But it is still not a failover. I shutdown my Master server, and attempted to login to a windows XP client, and it did not work. I know replication is working because I modified a users name and then did an ldapsearch on the slave server ,and the changes where there. My pointer in to making a slave server, flow link to the directions posted by Brian, make sure when you do: Bindmethod=simple -- do not leave spaces. You can either copy your lidif file into the new server or copy the entire directory /var/lib/ldap to the slave server then make sure to change ownership Chown -R ldap:ldap /var/lib/ldap On the Master server you can kill the ps for the ldap server, then restart the service. You can run slurpd -f /etc/openldap/slapd.conf, to check for any replication errors. These are things just to lookout for. --mark -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sarria Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 4:41 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Using replication When I start my ldap service on the slave server, the slapdis the only one the start, on my master server the slapd and slurpd start, Is this correct, should the slurpd start on the slave as well? --mark -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brian Chivers Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:52 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Using replication I've followed the instructions on http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/ldap/high_availability.html to setup a master & slave ldap servers for replication but I'm having a problem with the readonly option. If I set this option to on, in the slave config the replication doesn't work and I get an error in the log on the master. Is it possible to run the slave in readonly mode but still have replication working, I'm using the rootdn to bind with so I thought this would override the readonly option. Has anyone setup ldap replication ? Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From genfil at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 03:19:49 2005 From: genfil at gmail.com (Jean Phil) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:19:49 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] thin client boot from kernel 2.4 Message-ID: My thin client are booting from kernel 2.4. I see that there is a kernel 2.6 in the /tftpboot. How can I make my thin clients boot from kernel 2.5? From jam at mcquil.com Thu Sep 22 04:51:43 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 00:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Assigning hostnames dynamically Message-ID: After being puzzled by this problem for a couple years now, we've finally spent a little bit of time to figure out how to get hostnames assigned to workstations that are using dynamically assigned IP addresses. The main trick is include the following line in your dhcpd.conf file: get-lease-hostnames true; AND, make sure that you DO NOT have this line: use-host-decl-names on; Take a look at this wiki entry that explains it a bit better: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#Automatically_assigning_hostname What's cool about this solution, is that both the client AND the server will have exactly the same value for the hostname for that client, because they both get their information from the same place. Whereas, by setting a hostname in the dhcpd.conf file, using static 'host ws001 { ....}' entries, it was easy for the client to have one idea as to its hostname, and the server would have a different idea of the hostname, because it got it from /etc/hosts, or from DNS. All I can say is, it's amazing what you can do, when you have the source code for dhcpd, so you can see why it wasn't working as described in the dhcpd.conf manpage (the use-host-decl-names was messing us up). g'nite, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Sep 22 08:25:51 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:25:51 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Using replication In-Reply-To: <200509212342.j8LNgltF014316@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200509212342.j8LNgltF014316@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <43326A8F.4060007@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Yes that's right slapd & slurpd on the master and just slapd on the slave Mark Sarria wrote: > When I start my ldap service on the slave server, the slapdis the only one > the start, on my master server the slapd and slurpd start, Is this correct, > should the slurpd start on the slave as well? > > --mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Brian Chivers > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:52 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] Using replication > > I've followed the instructions on > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/ldap/high_availability.html to setup a > master & slave ldap servers for replication but I'm having a problem > with the readonly option. > > If I set this option to on, in the slave config the replication doesn't > work and I get an error in the log on the master. > > Is it possible to run the slave in readonly mode but still have > replication working, I'm using the rootdn to bind with so I thought this > would override the readonly option. > > Has anyone setup ldap replication ? > > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Sep 22 08:29:20 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:29:20 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Using replication In-Reply-To: <200509220100.j8M10Pkc000725@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200509220100.j8M10Pkc000725@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <43326B60.8050700@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Mark Sarria wrote: > My Replication server is working I have a Master-Slave LDAP server, But it > is still not a failover. I shutdown my Master server, and attempted to login > to a windows XP client, and it did not work. > I know replication is working because I modified a users name and then did > an ldapsearch on the slave server ,and the changes where there. > For true fallover you'd have to setup all the LDAP servers CNAME'd to the same name using round robin DNS. Have a look at the High Availability webpage at http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/ldap/high_availability.html This page talks about it, quite briefly but it's a start. > My pointer in to making a slave server, flow link to the directions posted > by Brian, make sure when you do: > Bindmethod=simple -- do not leave spaces. > You can either copy your lidif file into the new server or copy the entire > directory /var/lib/ldap to the slave server then make sure to change > ownership > Chown -R ldap:ldap /var/lib/ldap > > On the Master server you can kill the ps for the ldap server, then restart > the service. You can run slurpd -f /etc/openldap/slapd.conf, to check for > any replication errors. > Easy way is a service ldap restart of RH/FC machines > These are things just to lookout for. > > --mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Mark Sarria > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 4:41 PM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Using replication > > When I start my ldap service on the slave server, the slapdis the only one > the start, on my master server the slapd and slurpd start, Is this correct, > should the slurpd start on the slave as well? > > --mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Brian Chivers > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:52 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] Using replication > > I've followed the instructions on > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/ldap/high_availability.html to setup a > master & slave ldap servers for replication but I'm having a problem > with the readonly option. > > If I set this option to on, in the slave config the replication doesn't > work and I get an error in the log on the master. > > Is it possible to run the slave in readonly mode but still have > replication working, I'm using the rootdn to bind with so I thought this > would override the readonly option. > > Has anyone setup ldap replication ? > > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Sep 22 13:43:36 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:43:36 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Using Slave LDAP with Samba 3 Message-ID: <4332B508.9020302@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> There has been quite a bit of discussion on the list recently about setting up Slave LDAP servers. I've been experimenting with this recently and I thought that people might be interested to read the results. Have a look at the link below, it's not a complete howto but should give people some pointers and something to think about. http://www.chivers.info/Samba3-OpenLDAP-slave-server-config.html Feedback is welcome, but be nice as this is the first time I've attempted something like this :-) Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Sep 22 13:48:20 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:48:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac won't netboot any more In-Reply-To: <200509220042.j8M0gNg22988@downeast.net> Message-ID: <000d01c5bf7c$4af09d60$eb9b060a@winonacotter.org> > Jim dont suppose youve played much with bootx on g3 have > you?? that is the last apple class we have not addressed..i > think bill_c'skernel will work fine if we can gett bootx or > yabot to load it..chuck I took out a pair of G3 all-in-ones one day to play with and simply gave up after a few hours. I wasn't sure if I was having trouble because the NIC wasn't supported. All of our G3 all-in-ones have a built in 10mb NIC and an add-in 10/100 NIC. It sure would be nice to get the 100mb nic used. I gave up fairly quickly because I new I had so many iMacs to use if need be. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.4/109 - Release Date: 9/21/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Thu Sep 22 14:04:47 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:04:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac won't netboot any more In-Reply-To: <20050921212004.M1263@winonacotter.org> References: <200509212304.j8LN47g09506@downeast.net> <20050921212004.M1263@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4332B9FF.6080804@maltzen.net> It seems it was indeed the Airport that was the culprit, although the results of my analysis aren't entirely black & white. I unpowered the Airport, booted the Mac while pressing the N key--which worked when I first got this Mac back in the spring--and while the globe icon blinked only twice, which is usually a good sign, it then disappeared, but then the booting process progressed no further. I rebooted into OS X, changed the boot device from the local disk to network, rebooted, and it worked like a champ, loading Linux from the LTSP server. So, I'm confident the source of the problem is the Airport (especially since it has caused some other problems on the network). I figure I'll try to configure the Airport's DHCP to respond only to the one laptop it's supporting. I tried to get into the setup, using both the laptop and a wired Mac, using the Airport Admin utility (I forget the exact name) but it won't let me in. It doesn't seem to have a admin-via-web-browser interface. For that, I'll agree, Stupid Apple. Thanks Jim. I never would have thought of the Airport if you hadn't mentioned the possibility of another DHCP server. Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>id swear the gd airports default to serving out dhcp..first class >>pain in the tail..chuck > > > Yeah, I wish they defaulted to network bridging with DHCP off. Who the heck > uses a airport in standalone mode? They are almost always hanging off of > another network. > > Stupid Apple :-) > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Sep 22 14:27:32 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:27:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac won't netboot any more In-Reply-To: <4332B9FF.6080804@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <001401c5bf81$c4f64f10$eb9b060a@winonacotter.org> > I figure I'll try to configure the Airport's DHCP to respond > only to the one laptop it's > supporting. I tried to get into the setup, using both the > laptop and a wired Mac, using > the Airport Admin utility (I forget the exact name) but it > won't let me in. It doesn't > seem to have a admin-via-web-browser interface. For that, > I'll agree, Stupid Apple. Use a x-over cable between the laptop and the airport. Also be sure the Airport Admin Utility (I believe that really is the name) is completely up to date. I know for a while you needed to have the right version of the Admin Utility to connect or you wouldn't be able to find the airport. If you still cannot get in follow the instructions to reset the airport (I believe you power it down, stick a famous mac paperclip into the reset hole, power up the airport while holding reset until you get a red light or something and then pull the paperclip). Usually that does the trick. > Thanks Jim. I never would have thought of the Airport if you > hadn't mentioned the > possibility of another DHCP server. No problem, glad I was acutally able to help :-) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.4/109 - Release Date: 9/21/2005 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Sep 22 18:17:01 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:17:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] wine on k12ltsp Message-ID: <9bd3175605092211171e639222@mail.gmail.com> Hey folks! Does anyone have any how-tos on using Wine with k12ltsp? Now that I have it going I'm looking to install programs that will be accessible to all users. As it is now wine wants to live in /home/[user]/.wine. Can someone give me some advice on that? Thank you, Peter From linuxsys at davisny.edu Thu Sep 22 18:39:13 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:39:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] wine on k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605092211171e639222@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I just configured it and then copied it to /etc/skel, given that was quick and dirty, but it worked for us. The big thing is that only takes care of users created after you put it in /etc/skel -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Peter Hartmann Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 2:17 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] wine on k12ltsp Hey folks! Does anyone have any how-tos on using Wine with k12ltsp? Now that I have it going I'm looking to install programs that will be accessible to all users. As it is now wine wants to live in /home/[user]/.wine. Can someone give me some advice on that? Thank you, Peter _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Sep 22 20:09:36 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:09:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] video "input out of sync" Message-ID: <20050922130936.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.29b48bc7ae.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> When trying to run some of the educational software on the thin client I receive "input out of sync" error. This only happens on the thin client. I have used the monitor on the server and it works fine. The educational software runs fine from the server. Is there a setting that needs to be set for the thin client?? The thin client works fine running all of the other apps, openoffice, etc. Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Thu Sep 22 20:27:27 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:27:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Numlock Message-ID: <433313AF.2010909@honeygroveisd.net> > > >http://www.thesymbiont.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=158&Itemid=128 > >Try that link. > That didn't work for me either. Do I need to restart something after making these changes? -- C-ya, Mark ____ The programmer's national anthem is 'AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH'. -- Weinberg From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Thu Sep 22 20:51:31 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:51:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Numlock In-Reply-To: <433313AF.2010909@honeygroveisd.net> References: <433313AF.2010909@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1127422291.1685.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mark- Two common mistakes are not making the setnumlock file executable, and also putting the "/usr/sbin/setnumlock" entry in the GDM Presession script at the very end (instead of before the "exit" statement). Of course, it could also be that you are not using gdm, but given that you are posting to the K12LTSP list, I assume you are.... :) It *should* turn on numlock upon login. If you checked all of the above, and it still doesn't work, try adding the line to the end of the /etc/X11/gdm/Init or /etc/X11/gdm/PostLogin/Default (gdm keeps changing things on me... ;) ) HTH, -Gadi On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 15:27 -0500, Mark Cockrell wrote: > > > > > >http://www.thesymbiont.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=158&Itemid=128 > > > >Try that link. > > > That didn't work for me either. Do I need to restart something after > making these changes? > From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Thu Sep 22 22:01:45 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:01:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] smbmount home dir's in a Win2k domain Message-ID: <433329C9.3010204@saskforestcentre.ca> I have now got a single signon system up and running under CentOS 4 w/ K12LTSP 4.2.1EL, or something like that. That's the good news. It was actually quite simple - only two config files to manually edit, and I have it autimatically creating home directories for me. Other than that, the authconfig stuff worked. Has anybody added in a set of automatic filesystem mounts on login, only to be unmounted on login? I want the users to get immediate, simple access to well-known shares. These are off the domain file/print share, and the user is logged in off the domain, so it should be simple, right? All I want to do is have icons for these shares on the desktop, and know that they are at the kernel level, not the Gnome VFS or KDE ioslave level. I was thinking that a login script (perhaps .xsession? ) could run an smbmount command, and gdm postsession could run the smbumount command. Anybody tried this? Thanks, Angus Carr. From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Sep 22 22:57:54 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:57:54 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] smbmount home dir's in a Win2k domain Message-ID: <200509230109.j8N19cx14787@downeast.net> sounds like pam_mount might be an answer..it was kind of a bastard to getworked.. working for me..til it all of a sudden just worked..chuck > I have now got a single signon system up and running under CentOS 4 w/ > K12LTSP 4.2.1EL, or something like that. That's the good news. It was > actually quite simple - only two config files to manually edit, and I > have it autimatically creating home directories for me. Other than that, > the authconfig stuff worked. > > Has anybody added in a set of automatic filesystem mounts on login, only > to be unmounted on login? > > I want the users to get immediate, simple access to well-known shares. > These are off the domain file/print share, and the user is logged in off > the domain, so it should be simple, right? > > All I want to do is have icons for these shares on the desktop, and know > that they are at the kernel level, not the Gnome VFS or KDE ioslave level. > > I was thinking that a login script (perhaps .xsession? ) could run an > smbmount command, and gdm postsession could run the smbumount command. > > Anybody tried this? > > Thanks, > Angus Carr. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From wolfravenous at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 02:56:14 2005 From: wolfravenous at gmail.com (Steve Hampton) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:56:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] My vision needs feedback. Message-ID: Hi List, I want to ask for some feedback on a vision (dream at this stage) that I have. I need two types of feedback. First if anyone has the type of setup that I envision and would be willing to let me visit their site to document, take photos and notes it would greatly help me in my struggle to get my vision implemented. Secondly, if the people on this list that know WAY MORE than me about linux and computer technology, know of any reason that what I am envisioning would not work please point out the errors in my thinking. So here goes with my vision. This is what I envision for the high school where I teach computer engineering. It is a small high school only about 550 students in a rural area. I found out that some students were not able to take a pre-calculus course that is offered through the school collaborating with an online educational service because the students did not have computers at home and that really burned me up. After all I have seen within the open source community about increasing access to technology I figure now is the time for me to start fighting that battle locally. I loved a slide I saw in a presentation I downloaded from somewhere by David Trask that said something about access for everyone being more important than a few people being able to use reader rabbit and I apologize David if I twisted your words but I believe that was the general idea. Ok, on with my vision. I would like for our school to do the following: 1. I would like for them to abandon the proprietary software addiction (Paying more does NOT equal Getting more) 2. I would like for them to purchase laptops without OSes for every freshman when they enter high school. They would take them to every class, home and then allowed to take them with them whenever they graduate. The students would have more incentive to take care of something they knew would become theirs. 3. Since the laptops would be purchased without OSes I would like for them to all get K12LTSP installed and for them to be setup as Thick clients to authenticate to K12servers using Samba/Ldap throughout the school on a wireless network. 4. I would like it if the students laptops worked in this fashion. When they took them home and turned them on they could log in as a local user and access their home folder and even save documents there. Then when they came into the school and logged into the network their home folder would be synchronized with their home folder on the k12 file server(s). This might be possible with an rsync configuration of some sort I am not sure. This is the kind of convenience I have with OSX and iSync but I am trying to build a vision for my school based on inexpensive open source solutions. I have crunched the numbers for the hardware and I know it would cost less to equip the incoming freshman each year with a new laptop fully loaded with k12ltsp than what the system currently spends on computer equipment and proprietary licenses. Not to mention that since the students would be able to take their laptops to class the math teachers could stop paying thousands of dollars for graphing calculators and use the graphing tools included in the edutainment package of k12. I know what we are doing now is very expensive and only provides computer labs that the students realistically only have access to maybe an average of 2 hours per day. And the labs are setup so that they only have certain types of software depending on which lab it is. For example, the computers in the drafting classroom that COST 2000 dollars for a 10 station AutoCAD license are worthless for chemistry students they need access to the Math and Science lab. The great thing about k12 is that it is all there together, Qcad, Kalzium, and you know I could go on and on. The thing is we can't keep doing what we are doing and expect to get better results, on test scores (which administration dwells on) or student knowledge and comprehension which is what is really important. Changes need to be made. Access to technology for everyone, and the right types of technology that help develop high level conceptualization and abstract thinking are vital. My main concerns before I try to work up a proposal and then really work to push it hard is making sure what I want to do is possible. I have a feeling that network administration would be easier since I know from administering the network in my classroom, with linux once you get all the configurations setup and working right you pretty much just set back and leave it alone and everything just seems to keep working right. PLUS, PLEASE if anyone has .sxi presentations (or even .ppt) that they would be willing to share that they have used to successfully influence others I would love to receive links to them if you have them posted online. Or if you have great articles, papers, any type of documentation that you think would be great in promoting the linux cause please spam me with them. You can send them to me off the list at steve_hampton28702 at yahoo.com. I really do appreciate any help and feedback I can get in this. I think that promoting open source in the area in which I live has kinda become a passion in my life. GO PENGUINS, hehe Steve Hampton Technology Instructor Swain County High School North Carolina, USA -- Open Source, The Right Thing To Do! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Sep 23 03:26:14 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:26:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] My vision needs feedback. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1127445974.13449.84.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Hi Steve, It's good that you've become a proponent of Free/Open Source Software. I think we all wish more would. However, as a former high school student not so long ago, I must ask why kids need laptops to learn readin', ritin', and 'rithmetic. Since you bring up precalculus, I learned all of my mathematics, up to and including that needed for undergraduate quantum mechanics, with pencil and paper. I took precalc and the calculus in high school, and I can attest that the only time that you need a computer for math teaching is when you're taking logarithms, and that computer can be a $10 solar-powered scientific calculator. To this day, I still know how to take derivatives and integrals because I had to actually write it down back then, so I learned it really well (thank you, Mr. Madden!). All the function graphing can be done either in class or in the computer lab. If you're just set on having laptops for all incoming freshmen (a mistake that we made with our faculty, BTW), then while you certainly *can* use K12LTSP as a thick client, and folks--including myself-- certainly do, you don't *have* to. You could just as easily use Ubuntu, CentOS, straight FC4, or any other distro that supports PAM. But I wouldn't recommend it; today, I have to support teachers with wireless laptops. It is *not* fun, and they don't need them. It's yet another expensive thing to break or get ripped off, and I can assure you that both will happen. Now, on to your computer labs. I would definitely go with K12LTSP there. Heck, I'd go with LTSP *everywhere* in a school; very, very few people in a school actually *need* a fat client at work. If you set up a LDAP infrastructure, then everyone running GNU/Linux or any other LDAP-supporting platform can authenticate at any terminal in the school with single-sign-on. What's more, you can gradually migrate the users over from Windows to GNU/Linux gradually if you use David Trask's Samba- LDAP document. You can essentially replace any NT domain controller infrastructure with a Samba-based one, and with Samba 3.x, you now get both PDC and BDC functionality if you have a LDAP back-end. Hope this helps some. --TP On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 22:56 -0400, Steve Hampton wrote: > Hi List, > > I want to ask for some feedback on a vision (dream at this stage) that > I have. I need two types of feedback. First if anyone has the type of > setup that I envision and would be willing to let me visit their site > to document, take photos and notes it would greatly help me in my > struggle to get my vision implemented. Secondly, if the people on > this list that know WAY MORE than me about linux and computer > technology, know of any reason that what I am envisioning would not > work please point out the errors in my thinking. So here goes with my > vision. > > This is what I envision for the high school where I teach computer > engineering. It is a small high school only about 550 students in a > rural area. I found out that some students were not able to take a > pre-calculus course that is offered through the school collaborating > with an online educational service because the students did not have > computers at home and that really burned me up. After all I have seen > within the open source community about increasing access to technology > I figure now is the time for me to start fighting that battle locally. > > I loved a slide I saw in a presentation I downloaded from somewhere by > David Trask that said something about access for everyone being more > important than a few people being able to use reader rabbit and I > apologize David if I twisted your words but I believe that was the > general idea. Ok, on with my vision. I would like for our school to > do the following: > > 1. I would like for them to abandon the proprietary software > addiction (Paying more does NOT equal Getting more) > > 2. I would like for them to purchase laptops without OSes for every > freshman when they enter high school. They would take them to every > class, home and then allowed to take them with them whenever they > graduate. The students would have more incentive to take care of > something they knew would become theirs. > > 3. Since the laptops would be purchased without OSes I would like for > them to all get K12LTSP installed and for them to be setup as Thick > clients to authenticate to K12servers using Samba/Ldap throughout the > school on a wireless network. > > 4. I would like it if the students laptops worked in this fashion. > When they took them home and turned them on they could log in as a > local user and access their home folder and even save documents there. > Then when they came into the school and logged into the network their > home folder would be synchronized with their home folder on the k12 > file server(s). This might be possible with an rsync configuration of > some sort I am not sure. This is the kind of convenience I have with > OSX and iSync but I am trying to build a vision for my school based on > inexpensive open source solutions. > > I have crunched the numbers for the hardware and I know it would cost > less to equip the incoming freshman each year with a new laptop fully > loaded with k12ltsp than what the system currently spends on computer > equipment and proprietary licenses. Not to mention that since the > students would be able to take their laptops to class the math > teachers could stop paying thousands of dollars for graphing > calculators and use the graphing tools included in the edutainment > package of k12. > > I know what we are doing now is very expensive and only provides > computer labs that the students realistically only have access to > maybe an average of 2 hours per day. And the labs are setup so that > they only have certain types of software depending on which lab it is. > For example, the computers in the drafting classroom that COST 2000 > dollars for a 10 station AutoCAD license are worthless for chemistry > students they need access to the Math and Science lab. The great > thing about k12 is that it is all there together, Qcad, Kalzium, and > you know I could go on and on. The thing is we can't keep doing what > we are doing and expect to get better results, on test scores (which > administration dwells on) or student knowledge and comprehension which > is what is really important. Changes need to be made. Access to > technology for everyone, and the right types of technology that help > develop high level conceptualization and abstract thinking are vital. > > My main concerns before I try to work up a proposal and then really > work to push it hard is making sure what I want to do is possible. I > have a feeling that network administration would be easier since I > know from administering the network in my classroom, with linux once > you get all the configurations setup and working right you pretty much > just set back and leave it alone and everything just seems to keep > working right. > > PLUS, PLEASE if anyone has .sxi presentations (or even .ppt) that they > would be willing to share that they have used to successfully > influence others I would love to receive links to them if you have > them posted online. Or if you have great articles, papers, any type > of documentation that you think would be great in promoting the linux > cause please spam me with them. You can send them to me off the list > at steve_hampton28702 at yahoo.com. I really do appreciate any help and > feedback I can get in this. I think that promoting open source in the > area in which I live has kinda become a passion in my life. GO > PENGUINS, hehe > > Steve Hampton > Technology Instructor > Swain County High School > North Carolina, USA > -- > Open Source, The Right Thing To Do! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Sep 23 03:57:18 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:57:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] My vision needs feedback. In-Reply-To: <1127445974.13449.84.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <1127445974.13449.84.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: Steve...first....your idea has merit...I like it. I have a similar idea for Maine schools that involves a "poor mans" install of Knoppix or some other full featured OS on a read-only partition with a read-write partition for /home (user files and other data). This would lessen the chance of people frigging up the OS. Now...I must say that Terrell...I can see your experience is negative, but here in Maine we are in our 5th year of a statewide laptop deployment that is going great! All 7th and 8th graders (and their teachers) in Maine have Apple iBooks....they do the job nicely. I think my Knoppix idea might work better, but hey....the laptop program in Maine has been a resounding success to the point that it's being expanded into grades 9-12 as well. Many folks like Henrico County, VA screwed up royally....Maine on the other hand....did their homework and got it right. The image deployed on the laptops was carefully crafted....etc. A laptop program can work well if you plan well and work together as a team.....IT, administrators, teachers, and end users. Feel free to contact me for pointers as you move forward...I've got 5 years of this under my belt. On the flip side....K12LTSP with Samba/LDAP....dhcp failover/load balancing is the way to go in a terminal server set up....my system is kicking ass this year! All that's left is to try and duplicate Brian Chiver's smbldap replication stuff. :-) David Trask "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, September 22, 2005 at 11:26 PM +0000 wrote: >Hi Steve, > >It's good that you've become a proponent of Free/Open Source Software. I >think we all wish more would. However, as a former high school student >not so long ago, I must ask why kids need laptops to learn readin', >ritin', and 'rithmetic. Since you bring up precalculus, I learned all of >my mathematics, up to and including that needed for undergraduate quantum >mechanics, with pencil and paper. I took precalc and the calculus in >high school, and I can attest that the only time that you need a computer >for math teaching is when you're taking logarithms, and that computer can >be a $10 solar-powered scientific calculator. To this day, I still know >how to take derivatives and integrals because I had to actually write it >down back then, so I learned it really well (thank you, Mr. Madden!). >All the function graphing can be done either in class or in the computer >lab. > >If you're just set on having laptops for all incoming freshmen (a mistake >that we made with our faculty, BTW), then while you certainly *can* use >K12LTSP as a thick client, and folks--including myself--certainly do, you >don't *have* to. You could just as easily use Ubuntu, CentOS, straight >FC4, or any other distro that supports PAM. But I wouldn't recommend it; >today, I have to support teachers with wireless laptops. It is *not* >fun, and they don't need them. It's yet another expensive thing to break >or get ripped off, and I can assure you that both will happen. > >Now, on to your computer labs. I would definitely go with K12LTSP >there. Heck, I'd go with LTSP *everywhere* in a school; very, very few >people in a school actually *need* a fat client at work. If you set up a >LDAP infrastructure, then everyone running GNU/Linux or any other >LDAP-supporting platform can authenticate at any terminal in the school >with single-sign-on. What's more, you can gradually migrate the users >over from Windows to GNU/Linux gradually if you use David Trask's >Samba-LDAP document. You can essentially replace any NT domain >controller infrastructure with a Samba-based one, and with Samba 3.x, you >now get both PDC and BDC functionality if you have a LDAP back-end. > >Hope this helps some. > >--TP David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Sep 23 03:59:10 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:59:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] video "input out of sync" In-Reply-To: <20050922130936.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.29b48bc7ae.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050922130936.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.29b48bc7ae.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: Run the apps in windowed mode....which ones are you having issues with? I've been through this particularly with LCD monitors.... "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, September 22, 2005 at 4:09 PM +0000 wrote: >When trying to run some of the educational software on the thin client I >receive "input out of sync" error. This only happens on the thin >client. I have used the monitor on the server and it works fine. The >educational software runs fine from the server. Is there a setting >that needs to be set for the thin client?? The thin client works fine >running all of the other apps, openoffice, etc. > > >Thanks, > >Ron > >Ronald R. McDaniel >Conecuh County Schools >(251) 578-7073 x26 >(251) 230-0658 cell >rmcdaniel at indata.us > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Sep 23 03:59:10 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:59:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] video "input out of sync" In-Reply-To: <20050922130936.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.29b48bc7ae.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050922130936.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.29b48bc7ae.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: Run the apps in windowed mode....which ones are you having issues with? I've been through this particularly with LCD monitors.... "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, September 22, 2005 at 4:09 PM +0000 wrote: >When trying to run some of the educational software on the thin client I >receive "input out of sync" error. This only happens on the thin >client. I have used the monitor on the server and it works fine. The >educational software runs fine from the server. Is there a setting >that needs to be set for the thin client?? The thin client works fine >running all of the other apps, openoffice, etc. > > >Thanks, > >Ron > >Ronald R. McDaniel >Conecuh County Schools >(251) 578-7073 x26 >(251) 230-0658 cell >rmcdaniel at indata.us > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From badjooda at yahoo.com Fri Sep 23 08:07:02 2005 From: badjooda at yahoo.com (Burt Adjoodani) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 01:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] rDesktop sound issues Message-ID: <20050923080702.78807.qmail@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have upgraded to ltsp 4.0 with the latest K12LTSP and am having a hard time with rdesktop and sound. Seems I also get slow sound issues through an X session. I ran knoppix directly from one of the diskless stations and the rdesktop session to a windows 2003 terminal server (here after called w2k03) with sound sounded perfect! I had to do a an esd wrapper thing and rdesktop rdp5 config, and change the w2k03 server to even get sound on an x session. SO I am on the opinion that : 1) linux x session & 2) rdesktop ltsp to w2k03 server piped through esd doesn't work. UNLESS some guru has a fix. But since knoppix works then maybe if I can get a local session of rdesktop "local application" directly from the diskless box to the w2k03 to work. I think I would also need to run sound locally too. SO big question how do I run sound and rdesktop locally? (not through ltsp session). I have been messing with ssh configs and have had sucess with uptime and other small apps. But this seems a LOT harder. I really don't want everybody to boot to a knoppix cd just to run decent sound and rdesktop from the w2k03 server locally. btw the rest of ltsp 4.0 is just AWESOME! Burt __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From andy at spitcomp.com Fri Sep 23 10:05:31 2005 From: andy at spitcomp.com (Andrew Fisk) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 06:05:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] My vision needs feedback. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Take a look at what Quaker Valley did, they used a full blown Laptop and provided internet access to each students home -- it was an amazing project. http://www.qvsd.org/2550115914103416/site/default.asp I will copy your message to the guy that put it all together, I know he is real busy, but he might be able to help you out some. I know a couple of practical issues that they ran into included break fix maintenance on the laptops, the kids are MUCH harder on equipment than adults are, and unfortunately 9th grade boys often don't think 4 hours ahead let alone 4 years! While this project was running I was managing a corporate IT dept with about 3 times the number of users, and had about 1/10th the number of problems. The other big issue was internet access -- between the parents who seem to believe that google is a tool of satan, and those that wanted "freedom" for their kids to explore whatever the school administration was in a no win situation. How are you thinking about connecting the students back to the school? Thanks Andy Spitfire Computer Services LLC 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Sep 22, 2005, at 10:56 PM, Steve Hampton wrote: > Hi List, > > I want to ask for some feedback on a vision (dream at this stage) that > I have. I need two types of feedback. First if anyone has the type of > setup that I envision and would be willing to let me visit their site > to document, take photos and notes it would greatly help me in my > struggle to get my vision implemented. Secondly, if the people on > this list that know WAY MORE than me about linux and computer > technology, know of any reason that what I am envisioning would not > work please point out the errors in my thinking. So here goes with my > vision. > > This is what I envision for the high school where I teach computer > engineering. It is a small high school only about 550 students in a > rural area. I found out that some students were not able to take a > pre-calculus course that is offered through the school collaborating > with an online educational service because the students did not have > computers at home and that really burned me up. After all I have seen > within the open source community about increasing access to technology > I figure now is the time for me to start fighting that battle locally. > > I loved a slide I saw in a presentation I downloaded from somewhere by > David Trask that said something about access for everyone being more > important than a few people being able to use reader rabbit and I > apologize David if I twisted your words but I believe that was the > general idea. Ok, on with my vision. I would like for our school to > do the following: > > 1. I would like for them to abandon the proprietary software > addiction (Paying more does NOT equal Getting more) > > 2. I would like for them to purchase laptops without OSes for every > freshman when they enter high school. They would take them to every > class, home and then allowed to take them with them whenever they > graduate. The students would have more incentive to take care of > something they knew would become theirs. > > 3. Since the laptops would be purchased without OSes I would like for > them to all get K12LTSP installed and for them to be setup as Thick > clients to authenticate to K12servers using Samba/Ldap throughout the > school on a wireless network. > > 4. I would like it if the students laptops worked in this fashion. > When they took them home and turned them on they could log in as a > local user and access their home folder and even save documents there. > Then when they came into the school and logged into the network their > home folder would be synchronized with their home folder on the k12 > file server(s). This might be possible with an rsync configuration of > some sort I am not sure. This is the kind of convenience I have with > OSX and iSync but I am trying to build a vision for my school based on > inexpensive open source solutions. > > I have crunched the numbers for the hardware and I know it would cost > less to equip the incoming freshman each year with a new laptop fully > loaded with k12ltsp than what the system currently spends on computer > equipment and proprietary licenses. Not to mention that since the > students would be able to take their laptops to class the math > teachers could stop paying thousands of dollars for graphing > calculators and use the graphing tools included in the edutainment > package of k12. > > I know what we are doing now is very expensive and only provides > computer labs that the students realistically only have access to > maybe an average of 2 hours per day. And the labs are setup so that > they only have certain types of software depending on which lab it is. > For example, the computers in the drafting classroom that COST 2000 > dollars for a 10 station AutoCAD license are worthless for chemistry > students they need access to the Math and Science lab. The great > thing about k12 is that it is all there together, Qcad, Kalzium, and > you know I could go on and on. The thing is we can't keep doing what > we are doing and expect to get better results, on test scores (which > administration dwells on) or student knowledge and comprehension which > is what is really important. Changes need to be made. Access to > technology for everyone, and the right types of technology that help > develop high level conceptualization and abstract thinking are vital. > > My main concerns before I try to work up a proposal and then really > work to push it hard is making sure what I want to do is possible. I > have a feeling that network administration would be easier since I > know from administering the network in my classroom, with linux once > you get all the configurations setup and working right you pretty much > just set back and leave it alone and everything just seems to keep > working right. > > PLUS, PLEASE if anyone has .sxi presentations (or even .ppt) that they > would be willing to share that they have used to successfully > influence others I would love to receive links to them if you have > them posted online. Or if you have great articles, papers, any type > of documentation that you think would be great in promoting the linux > cause please spam me with them. You can send them to me off the list > at steve_hampton28702 at yahoo.com. I really do appreciate any help and > feedback I can get in this. I think that promoting open source in the > area in which I live has kinda become a passion in my life. GO > PENGUINS, hehe > > Steve Hampton > Technology Instructor > Swain County High School > North Carolina, USA > -- > Open Source, The Right Thing To Do! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Sep 23 11:26:03 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:26:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] My vision needs feedback. In-Reply-To: References: <1127445974.13449.84.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1127474763.13449.97.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Not saying the idea doesn't have merit. But how do you address the issue of laptops that get either broken and/or stolen, regardless of the OS running on them? In my district, we see that issue with the adults; they're always dropping the things on the floor and breaking them, or the laptop might grow legs. Then you have what Andy Fisk points out in another post in this thread, that children are much harder on these things than are adults. Children will, unfortunately, rip off things quicker than adults will. David, if you know of a way to successfully mitigate these issues, then I would *love* to hear them! Laptops ain't cheap to either fix or replace. --TP On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 23:57 -0400, David Trask wrote: > Steve...first....your idea has merit...I like it. I have a similar idea > for Maine schools that involves a "poor mans" install of Knoppix or some > other full featured OS on a read-only partition with a read-write > partition for /home (user files and other data). This would lessen the > chance of people frigging up the OS. Now...I must say that Terrell...I > can see your experience is negative, but here in Maine we are in our 5th > year of a statewide laptop deployment that is going great! All 7th and > 8th graders (and their teachers) in Maine have Apple iBooks....they do the > job nicely. I think my Knoppix idea might work better, but hey....the > laptop program in Maine has been a resounding success to the point that > it's being expanded into grades 9-12 as well. Many folks like Henrico > County, VA screwed up royally....Maine on the other hand....did their > homework and got it right. The image deployed on the laptops was > carefully crafted....etc. A laptop program can work well if you plan well > and work together as a team.....IT, administrators, teachers, and end > users. Feel free to contact me for pointers as you move forward...I've > got 5 years of this under my belt. > > On the flip side....K12LTSP with Samba/LDAP....dhcp failover/load > balancing is the way to go in a terminal server set up....my system is > kicking ass this year! All that's left is to try and duplicate Brian > Chiver's smbldap replication stuff. :-) > > David Trask > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Thursday, September 22, 2005 at 11:26 PM +0000 wrote: > >Hi Steve, > > > >It's good that you've become a proponent of Free/Open Source Software. I > >think we all wish more would. However, as a former high school student > >not so long ago, I must ask why kids need laptops to learn readin', > >ritin', and 'rithmetic. Since you bring up precalculus, I learned all of > >my mathematics, up to and including that needed for undergraduate quantum > >mechanics, with pencil and paper. I took precalc and the calculus in > >high school, and I can attest that the only time that you need a computer > >for math teaching is when you're taking logarithms, and that computer can > >be a $10 solar-powered scientific calculator. To this day, I still know > >how to take derivatives and integrals because I had to actually write it > >down back then, so I learned it really well (thank you, Mr. Madden!). > >All the function graphing can be done either in class or in the computer > >lab. > > > >If you're just set on having laptops for all incoming freshmen (a mistake > >that we made with our faculty, BTW), then while you certainly *can* use > >K12LTSP as a thick client, and folks--including myself--certainly do, you > >don't *have* to. You could just as easily use Ubuntu, CentOS, straight > >FC4, or any other distro that supports PAM. But I wouldn't recommend it; > >today, I have to support teachers with wireless laptops. It is *not* > >fun, and they don't need them. It's yet another expensive thing to break > >or get ripped off, and I can assure you that both will happen. > > > >Now, on to your computer labs. I would definitely go with K12LTSP > >there. Heck, I'd go with LTSP *everywhere* in a school; very, very few > >people in a school actually *need* a fat client at work. If you set up a > >LDAP infrastructure, then everyone running GNU/Linux or any other > >LDAP-supporting platform can authenticate at any terminal in the school > >with single-sign-on. What's more, you can gradually migrate the users > >over from Windows to GNU/Linux gradually if you use David Trask's > >Samba-LDAP document. You can essentially replace any NT domain > >controller infrastructure with a Samba-based one, and with Samba 3.x, you > >now get both PDC and BDC functionality if you have a LDAP back-end. > > > >Hope this helps some. > > > >--TP > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william at fragakis.com Fri Sep 23 11:43:44 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:43:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:09:36 -0700 > From: rmcdaniel at indata.us > Subject: [K12OSN] video "input out of sync" > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: > > <20050922130936.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.29b48bc7ae.wbe at email.e > mail.secureserver.net> > > Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > When trying to run some of the educational software on the thin client > I > receive "input out of sync" error. This only happens on the thin > client. I have used the monitor on the server and it works fine. The > educational software runs fine from the server. Is there a setting > that needs to be set for the thin client?? The thin client works fine > running all of the other apps, openoffice, etc. Is it a specific application (ie Tuxtype)? Older versions of tuxtype would bomb our lcd screens. Putting the -w switch after the exec path will solve that. Puts it in a window instead of full screen. from our school's install guide: Now- navigate to /usr/share/applications and scroll down until you see the TuxType icon. Right click Tuxtype and choose Properties. Change the launcher from: Exec = /usr/bin/tuxtype2 to: Exec = /usr/bin/tuxtype2 -w If it's another application - hmmm, I wouldn't know. Regards, William From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Sep 23 11:54:17 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:54:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles Message-ID: <4333ECE9.8070407@msln.net> Heeeeeelp. Roaming profiles on the /opt partition are growing rapidly. What can one do after the cow is out the barn? Is it possible to set a manditory profile after the fact? How about adding a hard drive and grow the partition? Any thoughts? I obviously didn't plan well.... Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From les at futuresource.com Fri Sep 23 12:35:51 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:35:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <4333ECE9.8070407@msln.net> References: <4333ECE9.8070407@msln.net> Message-ID: <1127478951.16387.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 06:54, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Heeeeeelp. Roaming profiles on the /opt partition are growing rapidly. > What can one do after the cow is out the barn? Is it possible to set a > manditory profile after the fact? How about adding a hard drive and grow > the partition? Any thoughts? I obviously didn't plan well.... Somewhere on the list a while back there was a discussion about how to force registry settings to move the default place to save things to a server drive which seems much more sane than what roaming profiles does. Does anyone remember the resolution to that. Also, it isn't particularly hard to add a drive and move a directory or partition. Or if you are using LVM you can merge in a new partition to grow it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Sep 23 12:18:33 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:18:33 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles Message-ID: <200509231430.j8NEUDS12406@downeast.net> touch with Jason Ingalls who wrote a startup.bat that works very nicely with roaming profiles..only allows some pirces to raom and hooks My Documents directly to the users fileserver "My Documents" chuck > On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 06:54, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > Heeeeeelp. Roaming profiles on the /opt partition are growing rapidly. > > What can one do after the cow is out the barn? Is it possible to set a > > manditory profile after the fact? How about adding a hard drive and grow > > the partition? Any thoughts? I obviously didn't plan well.... > > Somewhere on the list a while back there was a discussion about > how to force registry settings to move the default place to > save things to a server drive which seems much more sane > than what roabat that works vewry nicelyming profiles does. Does anyone remember the > resolution to that. > > Also, it isn't particularly hard to add a drive and move > a directory or partition. Or if you are using LVM you > can merge in a new partition to grow it. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Sep 23 12:40:26 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:40:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <1127478951.16387.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <4333ECE9.8070407@msln.net> <1127478951.16387.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4333F7BA.9080604@msln.net> It's a Dell PE2850 in a "hardware" raid 5. I put the /opt on it's own partition Mark Les Mikesell wrote: >On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 06:54, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > >>Heeeeeelp. Roaming profiles on the /opt partition are growing rapidly. >>What can one do after the cow is out the barn? Is it possible to set a >>manditory profile after the fact? How about adding a hard drive and grow >>the partition? Any thoughts? I obviously didn't plan well.... >> >> > >Somewhere on the list a while back there was a discussion about >how to force registry settings to move the default place to >save things to a server drive which seems much more sane >than what roaming profiles does. Does anyone remember the >resolution to that. > >Also, it isn't particularly hard to add a drive and move >a directory or partition. Or if you are using LVM you >can merge in a new partition to grow it. > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Sep 23 12:24:03 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:24:03 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles Message-ID: <200509231435.j8NEZhS13195@downeast.net> > touch with Jason Ingalls who wrote a startup.bat that works very nicely > with roaming profiles..only allows some pirces to raom and hooks My > Documents directly to the users fileserver "My Documents" chuck And not to gorget john Terpstras startup.bat from smaba 3 by example > > > On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 06:54, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > > Heeeeeelp. Roaming profiles on the /opt partition are growing rapidly. > > > What can one do after the cow is out the barn? Is it possible to set a > > > manditory profile after the fact? How about adding a hard drive and grow > > > the partition? Any thoughts? I obviously didn't plan well.... > > > > Somewhere on the list a while back there was a discussion about > > how to force registry settings to move the default place to > > save things to a server drive which seems much more sane > > than what roabat that works vewry nicelyming profiles does. Does anyone > remember the > > resolution to that. > > > > Also, it isn't particularly hard to add a drive and move > > a directory or partition. Or if you are using LVM you > > can merge in a new partition to grow it. > > > > -- > > Les Mikesell > > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Sep 23 12:52:04 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:52:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <200509231430.j8NEUDS12406@downeast.net> References: <200509231430.j8NEUDS12406@downeast.net> Message-ID: <4333FA74.7000703@msln.net> I thought I did that, Maybe I screwed that up and it is not working as should. Thanks for direction Mark cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >touch with Jason Ingalls who wrote a startup.bat that works very nicely >with roaming profiles..only allows some pirces to raom and hooks My >Documents directly to the users fileserver "My Documents" chuck > > > >>On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 06:54, Mark Gumprecht wrote: >> >> >>>Heeeeeelp. Roaming profiles on the /opt partition are growing rapidly. >>>What can one do after the cow is out the barn? Is it possible to set a >>>manditory profile after the fact? How about adding a hard drive and grow >>>the partition? Any thoughts? I obviously didn't plan well.... >>> >>> >>Somewhere on the list a while back there was a discussion about >>how to force registry settings to move the default place to >>save things to a server drive which seems much more sane >>than what roabat that works vewry nicelyming profiles does. Does anyone >> >> >remember the > > >>resolution to that. >> >>Also, it isn't particularly hard to add a drive and move >>a directory or partition. Or if you are using LVM you >>can merge in a new partition to grow it. >> >>-- >> Les Mikesell >> les at futuresource.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From swift at msad52.k12.me.us Fri Sep 23 12:51:16 2005 From: swift at msad52.k12.me.us (Randall Swift) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:51:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Users can't login Message-ID: I have a k12 (core3) lab and my users are authenticating to a seperate ldap/samba box. The problem is that out of 800+ users there is a handful (about 12) that can't log into the k12 terminals. They can log into a windows machine with no problems, but when they log into a terminal the screen goes blank and kicks back to the login screen. Any ideas? Thanks Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Fri Sep 23 13:09:14 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:09:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Numlock Message-ID: <4333FE7A.8060103@honeygroveisd.net> > >Mark- > >Two common mistakes are not making the setnumlock file executable, and >also putting the "/usr/sbin/setnumlock" entry in the GDM Presession >script at the very end (instead of before the "exit" statement). > >Of course, it could also be that you are not using gdm, but given that >you are posting to the K12LTSP list, I assume you are.... :) > >It *should* turn on numlock upon login. If you checked all of the >above, and it still doesn't work, try adding the line to the end of >the /etc/X11/gdm/Init or /etc/X11/gdm/PostLogin/Default >(gdm keeps changing things on me... ;) ) > >HTH, > /etc/X11/gdm/Init/Default was the trick. Thanks! -- C-ya, Mark ____ People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like. -- Abe Lincoln From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Sep 23 13:21:50 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:21:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <200509231435.j8NEZhS13195@downeast.net> References: <200509231435.j8NEZhS13195@downeast.net> Message-ID: <4334016E.7070003@msln.net> If I make this change now, Will the my docs and desktop folders be lost? I think not, but I'm a little skiddish. Mark cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >>touch with Jason Ingalls who wrote a startup.bat that works very nicely >>with roaming profiles..only allows some pirces to raom and hooks My >>Documents directly to the users fileserver "My Documents" chuck >> >> > >And not to gorget john Terpstras startup.bat from smaba 3 by example > > >>>On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 06:54, Mark Gumprecht wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Heeeeeelp. Roaming profiles on the /opt partition are growing rapidly. >>>>What can one do after the cow is out the barn? Is it possible to set a >>>>manditory profile after the fact? How about adding a hard drive and grow >>>>the partition? Any thoughts? I obviously didn't plan well.... >>>> >>>> >>>Somewhere on the list a while back there was a discussion about >>>how to force registry settings to move the default place to >>>save things to a server drive which seems much more sane >>>than what roabat that works vewry nicelyming profiles does. Does anyone >>> >>> >>remember the >> >> >>>resolution to that. >>> >>>Also, it isn't particularly hard to add a drive and move >>>a directory or partition. Or if you are using LVM you >>>can merge in a new partition to grow it. >>> >>>-- >>> Les Mikesell >>> les at futuresource.com >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>--------------------------------------------- >>This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >>http://ellsworthme.com/ >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Sep 23 13:29:27 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 06:29:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] video "input out of sync" Message-ID: <20050923062927.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.824321b70c.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> I am having problems with ChildsPlay and GCompris. Both do open in full screen mode. When I go and select properties from the program executable, I don't see anyplace to put the -w switch. I am running K12LTSP 4.4.1. My thin clients are HP T5515 with 17" LCD. Everything else works great except for these two applications. It does appear that you are on the money about the problem since these are the only two programs running in full screen mode. Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] video "input out of sync" > From: "David Trask" > Date: Thu, September 22, 2005 10:59 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Cc: k12osn at redhat.com > > Run the apps in windowed mode....which ones are you having issues with? > I've been through this particularly with LCD monitors.... > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Thursday, September 22, 2005 at 4:09 PM +0000 wrote: > >When trying to run some of the educational software on the thin client I > >receive "input out of sync" error. This only happens on the thin > >client. I have used the monitor on the server and it works fine. The > >educational software runs fine from the server. Is there a setting > >that needs to be set for the thin client?? The thin client works fine > >running all of the other apps, openoffice, etc. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > >Ron > > > >Ronald R. McDaniel > >Conecuh County Schools > >(251) 578-7073 x26 > >(251) 230-0658 cell > >rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Sep 23 13:47:18 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 06:47:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] video "input out of sync" Message-ID: <20050923064718.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.00b98265d0.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> I did the switch -w on TuxType and that worked great. However, the switch doesn't seem to work on the apps ChildsPlay and Gcompris. Any ideas? Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] video "input out of sync" > From: "David Trask" > Date: Thu, September 22, 2005 10:59 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Cc: k12osn at redhat.com > > Run the apps in windowed mode....which ones are you having issues with? > I've been through this particularly with LCD monitors.... > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Thursday, September 22, 2005 at 4:09 PM +0000 wrote: > >When trying to run some of the educational software on the thin client I > >receive "input out of sync" error. This only happens on the thin > >client. I have used the monitor on the server and it works fine. The > >educational software runs fine from the server. Is there a setting > >that needs to be set for the thin client?? The thin client works fine > >running all of the other apps, openoffice, etc. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > >Ron > > > >Ronald R. McDaniel > >Conecuh County Schools > >(251) 578-7073 x26 > >(251) 230-0658 cell > >rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 23 13:55:24 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 06:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] My vision needs feedback. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050923135524.6086.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I will again plug a piece of software that I've only read about and never tried. It's called tsync and it is designed to automatically syncronize files on separate computers. If there is no network connectivity between the computers for a period of time, it will wait until it has network connectivity and then it will syncronize automatically. This could be used for syncronizing the home folders on the laptops. The laptop thing is a cool idea, but others have pointed out some practical problems, such as cost of repair, theft, etc. Why not instead outfit the entire school with recycled thin clients and provide a mid-grade linux desktop to each student for their home? You could also have a "computer store" at the school where the kids can purchase hardware upgrades that have been tested specifically for use on their system. This will help to prevent your seniors from having to use obsolete equipment (by the standards of the day). Seems to me that for the same price as "a laptop for everybody", you could have a thin client for everybody plus a home desktop for everybody. Desktops are cheaper to upgrade and less likely to get dropped or stolen. Students with home internet access can have their home desktops synced with /home at the school. Students w/o internet could use usb keys. Or perhaps it would be a good idea to negotiate with a local ISP for a student discount on internet service. (Or maybe the school could run it's own ISP? I'm not sure if that's possible or if it's just a dumb idea.) -Rob --- Steve Hampton wrote: > Hi List, > > I want to ask for some feedback on a vision (dream > at this stage) that > I have. I need two types of feedback. First if > anyone has the type of > setup that I envision and would be willing to let me > visit their site > to document, take photos and notes it would greatly > help me in my > struggle to get my vision implemented. Secondly, if > the people on > this list that know WAY MORE than me about linux and > computer > technology, know of any reason that what I am > envisioning would not > work please point out the errors in my thinking. So > here goes with my > vision. > > This is what I envision for the high school where I > teach computer > engineering. It is a small high school only about > 550 students in a > rural area. I found out that some students were not > able to take a > pre-calculus course that is offered through the > school collaborating > with an online educational service because the > students did not have > computers at home and that really burned me up. > After all I have seen > within the open source community about increasing > access to technology > I figure now is the time for me to start fighting > that battle locally. > > I loved a slide I saw in a presentation I downloaded > from somewhere by > David Trask that said something about access for > everyone being more > important than a few people being able to use reader > rabbit and I > apologize David if I twisted your words but I > believe that was the > general idea. Ok, on with my vision. I would like > for our school to > do the following: > > 1. I would like for them to abandon the proprietary > software > addiction (Paying more does NOT equal Getting more) > > 2. I would like for them to purchase laptops > without OSes for every > freshman when they enter high school. They would > take them to every > class, home and then allowed to take them with them > whenever they > graduate. The students would have more incentive to > take care of > something they knew would become theirs. > > 3. Since the laptops would be purchased without > OSes I would like for > them to all get K12LTSP installed and for them to be > setup as Thick > clients to authenticate to K12servers using > Samba/Ldap throughout the > school on a wireless network. > > 4. I would like it if the students laptops worked > in this fashion. > When they took them home and turned them on they > could log in as a > local user and access their home folder and even > save documents there. > Then when they came into the school and logged into > the network their > home folder would be synchronized with their home > folder on the k12 > file server(s). This might be possible with an > rsync configuration of > some sort I am not sure. This is the kind of > convenience I have with > OSX and iSync but I am trying to build a vision for > my school based on > inexpensive open source solutions. > > I have crunched the numbers for the hardware and I > know it would cost > less to equip the incoming freshman each year with a > new laptop fully > loaded with k12ltsp than what the system currently > spends on computer > equipment and proprietary licenses. Not to mention > that since the > students would be able to take their laptops to > class the math > teachers could stop paying thousands of dollars for > graphing > calculators and use the graphing tools included in > the edutainment > package of k12. > > I know what we are doing now is very expensive and > only provides > computer labs that the students realistically only > have access to > maybe an average of 2 hours per day. And the labs > are setup so that > they only have certain types of software depending > on which lab it is. > For example, the computers in the drafting classroom > that COST 2000 > dollars for a 10 station AutoCAD license are > worthless for chemistry > students they need access to the Math and Science > lab. The great > thing about k12 is that it is all there together, > Qcad, Kalzium, and > you know I could go on and on. The thing is we > can't keep doing what > we are doing and expect to get better results, on > test scores (which > administration dwells on) or student knowledge and > comprehension which > is what is really important. Changes need to be > made. Access to > technology for everyone, and the right types of > technology that help > develop high level conceptualization and abstract > thinking are vital. > > My main concerns before I try to work up a proposal > and then really > work to push it hard is making sure what I want to > do is possible. I > have a feeling that network administration would be > easier since I > know from administering the network in my classroom, > with linux once > you get all the configurations setup and working > right you pretty much > just set back and leave it alone and everything just > seems to keep > working right. > > PLUS, PLEASE if anyone has .sxi presentations (or > even .ppt) that they > would be willing to share that they have used to > successfully > influence others I would love to receive links to > them if you have > them posted online. Or if you have great articles, > papers, any type > of documentation that you think would be great in > promoting the linux > cause please spam me with them. You can send them to > me off the list > at steve_hampton28702 at yahoo.com. I really do > appreciate any help and > feedback I can get in this. I think that promoting > open source in the > area in which I live has kinda become a passion in > my life. GO > PENGUINS, hehe > > Steve Hampton > Technology Instructor > Swain County High School > North Carolina, USA > -- > Open Source, The Right Thing To Do! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Fri Sep 23 13:58:16 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:58:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rDesktop sound issues In-Reply-To: <20050923080702.78807.qmail@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050923080702.78807.qmail@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1127483896.28286.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Burt, if you want sound through rdesktop, you will need to sacrifice sound through Linux. It is one or the other. Here's why: As you surmised, rdesktop thru esd does not work well. rdesktop needs to write directly to /dev/dsp in order for sound to work properly. The only way to do this, is to run rdesktop off the thin client AND not have a sound daemon of any kind running of the thin client at the same time. This is because any sound daemon (such as esd/nasd) will take control of /dev/dsp and not allow rdesktop to write to it. So, If you want sound from Windows on the thin client, you should do something like this: SCREEN_02 = "rdesktop -r sound:local 192.168.0.253" SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = "rdp" and on the WTS, uncheck "Disallow Audio mapping" Now, you will have Windows sound on screen 2, but no linux sound. Side note: SOUND_DAEMON = "rdp" will produce a warning when booting the thin client that "rdp" is not a recognized daemon. This trick is used to have the thin client load the sound modules, but not a daemon. If SOUND_DAEMON is omitted, esd will run by default. Cheers, -Gadi On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 01:07 -0700, Burt Adjoodani wrote: > I have upgraded to ltsp 4.0 with the latest K12LTSP > and am having a hard time with rdesktop and sound. > > Seems I also get slow sound issues through an X > session. > > I ran knoppix directly from one of the diskless > stations and the rdesktop session to a windows 2003 > terminal server (here after called w2k03) with sound > sounded perfect! > > I had to do a an esd wrapper thing and rdesktop rdp5 > config, and change the w2k03 server to even get sound > on an x session. > > SO I am on the opinion that : > > 1) linux x session > & > 2) rdesktop ltsp to w2k03 server > > piped through esd doesn't work. > UNLESS some guru has a fix. > > But since knoppix works then maybe if I can get a > local session of rdesktop "local application" > directly from the diskless box to the w2k03 to work. > > I think I would also need to run sound locally too. > > SO big question how do I run sound and rdesktop > locally? (not through ltsp session). > > I have been messing with ssh configs and have had > sucess with uptime and other small apps. > > But this seems a LOT harder. > > I really don't want everybody to boot to a knoppix cd > just to run decent sound and rdesktop from the w2k03 > server locally. > > btw the rest of ltsp 4.0 is just AWESOME! > > > Burt > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Sep 23 14:01:27 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:01:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <4333FA74.7000703@msln.net> References: <200509231430.j8NEUDS12406@downeast.net> <4333FA74.7000703@msln.net> Message-ID: We use roaming profiles, but delete them automatically every Friday night using a cron job (on the student's home directories, not teacher's and others.) This way, they don't keep growing, they don't keep all the danged Temporary Internet Files (they really need to rename that to "Permanent Internet Files), history lists and such. I modified samba to put profiles under their own share that is non-browseable and they do not live in the user's home directory anymore. Make it easy to clean them up as a group or individually, if one gets messed up beyond usability. That way, every monday, they copme back with a clean, fresh profile (default) and it fixes the messes they make out of their desktops, wallpapers, icons and all. . . In this instance, students are not allowed to use My Documents to save to. They use their H: drive which is their home directory. This way when the profile is deleted, they don't lose documents. We also run Centurion Driveshield on the computers so they can't mess them up anyway. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I thought I did that, Maybe I screwed that up and it is not working as > should. Thanks for direction > Mark > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > >touch with Jason Ingalls who wrote a startup.bat that works very nicely > >with roaming profiles..only allows some pirces to raom and hooks My > >Documents directly to the users fileserver "My Documents" chuck > > > > > > > >>On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 06:54, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Heeeeeelp. Roaming profiles on the /opt partition are growing rapidly. > >>>What can one do after the cow is out the barn? Is it possible to set a > >>>manditory profile after the fact? How about adding a hard drive and grow > >>>the partition? Any thoughts? I obviously didn't plan well.... > >>> > >>> > >>Somewhere on the list a while back there was a discussion about > >>how to force registry settings to move the default place to > >>save things to a server drive which seems much more sane > >>than what roabat that works vewry nicelyming profiles does. Does anyone > >> > >> > >remember the > > > > > >>resolution to that. > >> > >>Also, it isn't particularly hard to add a drive and move > >>a directory or partition. Or if you are using LVM you > >>can merge in a new partition to grow it. > >> > >>-- > >> Les Mikesell > >> les at futuresource.com > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------- > >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msln.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Sep 23 14:29:36 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:29:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] My vision needs feedback. In-Reply-To: <1127474763.13449.97.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: < > <1127445974.13449.84.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> < > <1127474763.13449.97.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, September 23, 2005 at 7:26 AM +0000 wrote: >Not saying the idea doesn't have merit. But how do you address the issue >of laptops that get either broken and/or stolen, regardless of the OS >running on them? In my district, we see that issue with the adults; >they're always dropping the things on the floor and breaking them, or the >laptop might grow legs. Then you have what Andy Fisk points out in >another post in this thread, that children are much harder on these >things than are adults. Children will, unfortunately, rip off things >quicker than adults will. > >David, if you know of a way to successfully mitigate these issues, then I >would *love* to hear them! Laptops ain't cheap to either fix or replace. first of all...stealing a laptop with an open firmware password makes it impractical and almost impossible to use anywhere else as you can't boot from any other device like the CD....USB...etc. without the password. Thus unless you take it apart...it's not possible to reimage it or bypass any of the passwords. In fact, here in Maine...one school had 16 of them stolen....less than a week later they arrived back on the schools doorstep (literally) in a box...as they obviosly found them useless. All of them are tagged with asset tags identifying them by name and barcode that they are property of the State of Maine and are all entered in a database (asset manager) making them easy to track....the data includes serial number (which is also on a rom on the mobo) airport MAC, ethernet MAC....etc. Secondly....education. We meet with the kids at the beginning of the year and go over all the ground rules....care and feeding....as well as how not to abuse it. Accidents do happen, but rarely. We've had 2 broken screens in 5 years....we have about 150-200 laptops depending on the class sizes. We also meet with the parents each year....students can take them home, but if they do the parents buy insurance....costs $31 per school year. Parents have to insure band instruments that cost the same as a laptop....I know as my daughter plays saxophone. We've had no laptops stolen in 5 years...and very few claims for damage....all accidental. 90% of the issue is attitudes....the adults need to act like adults and be responsible.... I don't know about you, but my laptop is fine and has been for many years....I've never broken a screen....I take good care of them. Once the adults act the part....the kids will to. Remember...ATTITUDE toward the project is 90% of the game....if people go into it with the expectation that kids will steal and break laptops...then they will....if you simply expect them not to and model that same respect....you'll get it in return. The damage rates and theft of units in Maine has been miniscule compared to the scope of the project. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Sep 23 14:40:21 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:40:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: References: <200509231430.j8NEUDS12406@downeast.net> <4333FA74.7000703@msln.net> Message-ID: <433413D5.2070509@msln.net> Is there a script that some one may have written to move the My Documents and Desktop of the /opt/samba/profiles/$users$ to the /home/$user$ directory? Possibly merge the files if the directory exists? Mark Doug Simpson wrote: >We use roaming profiles, but delete them automatically every Friday night >using a cron job (on the student's home directories, not teacher's and >others.) This way, they don't keep growing, they don't keep all the danged >Temporary Internet Files (they really need to rename that to "Permanent >Internet Files), history lists and such. I modified samba to put profiles >under their own share that is non-browseable and they do not live in the >user's home directory anymore. Make it easy to clean them up as a group or >individually, if one gets messed up beyond usability. > >That way, every monday, they copme back with a clean, fresh profile >(default) and it fixes the messes they make out of their desktops, >wallpapers, icons and all. . . > >In this instance, students are not allowed to use My Documents to save to. >They use their H: drive which is their home directory. This way when the >profile is deleted, they don't lose documents. We also run Centurion >Driveshield on the computers so they can't mess them up anyway. > > > >Doug Simpson >Technology Specialist >DeQueen Public Schools >DeQueen, AR 71832 >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >Tux for President! > >On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > > >>I thought I did that, Maybe I screwed that up and it is not working as >>should. Thanks for direction >>Mark >> >>cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >> >> >> >>>touch with Jason Ingalls who wrote a startup.bat that works very nicely >>>with roaming profiles..only allows some pirces to raom and hooks My >>>Documents directly to the users fileserver "My Documents" chuck >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 06:54, Mark Gumprecht wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Heeeeeelp. Roaming profiles on the /opt partition are growing rapidly. >>>>>What can one do after the cow is out the barn? Is it possible to set a >>>>>manditory profile after the fact? How about adding a hard drive and grow >>>>>the partition? Any thoughts? I obviously didn't plan well.... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Somewhere on the list a while back there was a discussion about >>>>how to force registry settings to move the default place to >>>>save things to a server drive which seems much more sane >>>>than what roabat that works vewry nicelyming profiles does. Does anyone >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>remember the >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>resolution to that. >>>> >>>>Also, it isn't particularly hard to add a drive and move >>>>a directory or partition. Or if you are using LVM you >>>>can merge in a new partition to grow it. >>>> >>>>-- >>>> Les Mikesell >>>> les at futuresource.com >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>--------------------------------------------- >>>This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >>>http://ellsworthme.com/ >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Mark Gumprecht >>Data Systems Specialist >>MSAD3 >>Unity, ME >>gumprechtm at msln.net >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Sep 23 14:50:47 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:50:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <4333ECE9.8070407@msln.net> References: <4333ECE9.8070407@msln.net> Message-ID: Mark....where does /home live? One thing I do is tell users to move many of their docs to /home (which is mapped via a login script to drive F: and shows up in "My Computer") thus saving them instantly instead of on log off...and since /home is on a bigger drive on my Samba/LDAP server...(/home is it's own partition on it's own drive thus allowing me to RAID it)....another idea....you can write a script to copy the users important profile data to a folder in /home/username and then wipe all the profiles and do mandatory from here on in. I have a backup script that copies important profile data such as My Documents...etc. to a folder in /home/username for backup....I can share it if you'd like. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Sep 23 14:50:47 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:50:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <4333ECE9.8070407@msln.net> References: <4333ECE9.8070407@msln.net> Message-ID: Mark....where does /home live? One thing I do is tell users to move many of their docs to /home (which is mapped via a login script to drive F: and shows up in "My Computer") thus saving them instantly instead of on log off...and since /home is on a bigger drive on my Samba/LDAP server...(/home is it's own partition on it's own drive thus allowing me to RAID it)....another idea....you can write a script to copy the users important profile data to a folder in /home/username and then wipe all the profiles and do mandatory from here on in. I have a backup script that copies important profile data such as My Documents...etc. to a folder in /home/username for backup....I can share it if you'd like. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Sep 23 14:56:33 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:56:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: References: <4333ECE9.8070407@msln.net> Message-ID: <433417A1.2020001@msln.net> My /home is it's own partition. I have 146gb open on that one. I didn't know if I could do a mandatory profile or not. I have a mix of win98,2k,xp and all do not have the same programs loaded. So if I put shortcuts for programs that exist on one machine that doesn't exist on another, it will confuse them. I would love to see your script. I'm trying to hold out to 2pm when the high school lets out. I have 434mb left open on the /opt partition before she's full. Luckly I put the /opt on it's own partition. Thanks Mark David Trask wrote: >Mark....where does /home live? One thing I do is tell users to move many >of their docs to /home (which is mapped via a login script to drive F: and >shows up in "My Computer") thus saving them instantly instead of on log >off...and since /home is on a bigger drive on my Samba/LDAP >server...(/home is it's own partition on it's own drive thus allowing me >to RAID it)....another idea....you can write a script to copy the users >important profile data to a folder in /home/username and then wipe all >the profiles and do mandatory from here on in. I have a backup script >that copies important profile data such as My Documents...etc. to a >folder in /home/username for backup....I can share it if you'd like. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Sep 23 15:08:36 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:08:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <433413D5.2070509@msln.net> References: <200509231430.j8NEUDS12406@downeast.net> < > <4333FA74.7000703@msln.net> < > <433413D5.2070509@msln.net> Message-ID: This is my backup script that creates a folder in each user's home directory called "win-backup" (my users know that if they lose something it may be in there)....it backs up My Documents, Desktop, and Favorites. (This first part is mostly what you're looking for Mark)....the next part of the script is the part where I archive the files and move them to a directory mounted via NFS from another server (an E-Smith/SME box) for safe-keeping. I have another script that deletes the older backup archives later on. I have not yet done the date and time variables....I manually enter the date for the filename....I may change that soon, but I'm lazy. ;-) Remember....simply using "cp" will prompt you each time before overwriting.....however, if you use /bin/cp it will overwrite. Here's the script.... ################ #Begin Backup Script#### ################ !#/bin/bash for x in `ls /home`; do echo "Doing $x ..." mkdir /home/${x}/win-backup chown ${x}.users /home/${x}/win-backup echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/My\ Documents/ /home/${x}/win-backup" /bin/cp -Rf /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/My\ Documents/ /home/${x}/win-backup echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Desktop/ /home/${x}/win-backup" /bin/cp -Rf /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Desktop/ /home/${x}/win-backup echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Favorites/ /home/${x}/win-backup" /bin/cp -Rf /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Favorites/ /home/${x}/win-backup chown -R ${x}.users /home/${x}/win-backup ###################### ##Create an archive of win-backup## ###################### echo "Now let's archive everything for safe-keeping" cd /home/${x}/win-backup zip -r sept14 * ################################### ##Archive "tgz" the files on another server mounted via NFS## ################################### cp -f sept14.zip /mnt/backup/bakup-0506/home/${x}/ cd /home/${x}/ echo "Making an archive of all files in the home directory and backing them up" tar -czvf /mnt/backup/bakup-0506/home/${x}/sept14.tgz --exclude sept14.zip * ######################### ##Remove the zip file to save space##### ######################### echo "Now we'll remove the zip file to save space" cd /home/${x}/win-backup rm -f sept14.zip done ########### ##End Backup### ########### "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, September 23, 2005 at 10:40 AM +0000 wrote: >Is there a script that some one may have written to move the My >Documents and Desktop of the /opt/samba/profiles/$users$ to the >/home/$user$ directory? Possibly merge the files if the directory exists? >Mark > >Doug Simpson wrote: > >>We use roaming profiles, but delete them automatically every Friday >night >>using a cron job (on the student's home directories, not teacher's and >>others.) This way, they don't keep growing, they don't keep all the >danged >>Temporary Internet Files (they really need to rename that to "Permanent >>Internet Files), history lists and such. I modified samba to put >profiles >>under their own share that is non-browseable and they do not live in the >>user's home directory anymore. Make it easy to clean them up as a group >or >>individually, if one gets messed up beyond usability. >> >>That way, every monday, they copme back with a clean, fresh profile >>(default) and it fixes the messes they make out of their desktops, >>wallpapers, icons and all. . . >> >>In this instance, students are not allowed to use My Documents to save >to. >>They use their H: drive which is their home directory. This way when >the >>profile is deleted, they don't lose documents. We also run Centurion >>Driveshield on the computers so they can't mess them up anyway. >> >> >> >>Doug Simpson >>Technology Specialist >>DeQueen Public Schools >>DeQueen, AR 71832 >>simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>Tux for President! >> >>On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, Mark Gumprecht wrote: >> >> >> >>>I thought I did that, Maybe I screwed that up and it is not working as >>>should. Thanks for direction >>>Mark >>> >>>cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>touch with Jason Ingalls who wrote a startup.bat that works very nicely >>>>with roaming profiles..only allows some pirces to raom and hooks My >>>>Documents directly to the users fileserver "My Documents" chuck >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 06:54, Mark Gumprecht wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Heeeeeelp. Roaming profiles on the /opt partition are growing >rapidly. >>>>>>What can one do after the cow is out the barn? Is it possible to set >a >>>>>>manditory profile after the fact? How about adding a hard drive and >grow >>>>>>the partition? Any thoughts? I obviously didn't plan well.... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Somewhere on the list a while back there was a discussion about >>>>>how to force registry settings to move the default place to >>>>>save things to a server drive which seems much more sane >>>>>than what roabat that works vewry nicelyming profiles does. Does >anyone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>remember the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>resolution to that. >>>>> >>>>>Also, it isn't particularly hard to add a drive and move >>>>>a directory or partition. Or if you are using LVM you >>>>>can merge in a new partition to grow it. >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>> Les Mikesell >>>>> les at futuresource.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>--------------------------------------------- >>>>This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >>>>http://ellsworthme.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>-- >>>Mark Gumprecht >>>Data Systems Specialist >>>MSAD3 >>>Unity, ME >>>gumprechtm at msln.net >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >-- >Mark Gumprecht >Data Systems Specialist >MSAD3 >Unity, ME >gumprechtm at msln.net > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Sep 23 15:14:15 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:14:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: References: <200509231430.j8NEUDS12406@downeast.net> < > <4333FA74.7000703@msln.net> < > <433413D5.2070509@msln.net> Message-ID: <43341BC7.3070400@msln.net> Thank you Dave, you just saved me from having to move 700+ profiles, one at a time. What's a good source for learning scripting? Mark David Trask wrote: >This is my backup script that creates a folder in each user's home >directory called "win-backup" (my users know that if they lose something >it may be in there)....it backs up My Documents, Desktop, and Favorites. >(This first part is mostly what you're looking for Mark)....the next part >of the script is the part where I archive the files and move them to a >directory mounted via NFS from another server (an E-Smith/SME box) for >safe-keeping. I have another script that deletes the older backup >archives later on. I have not yet done the date and time variables....I >manually enter the date for the filename....I may change that soon, but >I'm lazy. ;-) > >Remember....simply using "cp" will prompt you each time before >overwriting.....however, if you use /bin/cp it will overwrite. > >Here's the script.... > >################ >#Begin Backup Script#### >################ > >!#/bin/bash >for x in `ls /home`; do >echo "Doing $x ..." >mkdir /home/${x}/win-backup >chown ${x}.users /home/${x}/win-backup > >echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/My\ Documents/ >/home/${x}/win-backup" >/bin/cp -Rf /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/My\ Documents/ /home/${x}/win-backup > >echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Desktop/ /home/${x}/win-backup" >/bin/cp -Rf /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Desktop/ /home/${x}/win-backup > >echo "Copying /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Favorites/ /home/${x}/win-backup" >/bin/cp -Rf /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/Favorites/ /home/${x}/win-backup > >chown -R ${x}.users /home/${x}/win-backup > >###################### >##Create an archive of win-backup## >###################### > >echo "Now let's archive everything for safe-keeping" >cd /home/${x}/win-backup >zip -r sept14 * > >################################### >##Archive "tgz" the files on another server mounted via NFS## >################################### > >cp -f sept14.zip /mnt/backup/bakup-0506/home/${x}/ >cd /home/${x}/ >echo "Making an archive of all files in the home directory and backing >them up" >tar -czvf /mnt/backup/bakup-0506/home/${x}/sept14.tgz --exclude sept14.zip >* > >######################### >##Remove the zip file to save space##### >######################### > >echo "Now we'll remove the zip file to save space" >cd /home/${x}/win-backup >rm -f sept14.zip > >done > >########### >##End Backup### >########### > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Friday, September 23, 2005 at 10:40 AM +0000 wrote: > > >>Is there a script that some one may have written to move the My >>Documents and Desktop of the /opt/samba/profiles/$users$ to the >>/home/$user$ directory? Possibly merge the files if the directory exists? >>Mark >> >>Doug Simpson wrote: >> >> >> >>>We use roaming profiles, but delete them automatically every Friday >>> >>> >>night >> >> >>>using a cron job (on the student's home directories, not teacher's and >>>others.) This way, they don't keep growing, they don't keep all the >>> >>> >>danged >> >> >>>Temporary Internet Files (they really need to rename that to "Permanent >>>Internet Files), history lists and such. I modified samba to put >>> >>> >>profiles >> >> >>>under their own share that is non-browseable and they do not live in the >>>user's home directory anymore. Make it easy to clean them up as a group >>> >>> >>or >> >> >>>individually, if one gets messed up beyond usability. >>> >>>That way, every monday, they copme back with a clean, fresh profile >>>(default) and it fixes the messes they make out of their desktops, >>>wallpapers, icons and all. . . >>> >>>In this instance, students are not allowed to use My Documents to save >>> >>> >>to. >> >> >>>They use their H: drive which is their home directory. This way when >>> >>> >>the >> >> >>>profile is deleted, they don't lose documents. We also run Centurion >>>Driveshield on the computers so they can't mess them up anyway. >>> >>> >>> >>>Doug Simpson >>>Technology Specialist >>>DeQueen Public Schools >>>DeQueen, AR 71832 >>>simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>>Tux for President! >>> >>>On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, Mark Gumprecht wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I thought I did that, Maybe I screwed that up and it is not working as >>>>should. Thanks for direction >>>>Mark >>>> >>>>cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>touch with Jason Ingalls who wrote a startup.bat that works very nicely >>>>>with roaming profiles..only allows some pirces to raom and hooks My >>>>>Documents directly to the users fileserver "My Documents" chuck >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 06:54, Mark Gumprecht wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Heeeeeelp. Roaming profiles on the /opt partition are growing >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>rapidly. >> >> >>>>>>>What can one do after the cow is out the barn? Is it possible to set >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>a >> >> >>>>>>>manditory profile after the fact? How about adding a hard drive and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>grow >> >> >>>>>>>the partition? Any thoughts? I obviously didn't plan well.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Somewhere on the list a while back there was a discussion about >>>>>>how to force registry settings to move the default place to >>>>>>save things to a server drive which seems much more sane >>>>>>than what roabat that works vewry nicelyming profiles does. Does >>>>>> >>>>>> >>anyone >> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>remember the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>resolution to that. >>>>>> >>>>>>Also, it isn't particularly hard to add a drive and move >>>>>>a directory or partition. Or if you are using LVM you >>>>>>can merge in a new partition to grow it. >>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>>Les Mikesell >>>>>> les at futuresource.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>For more info see >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>--------------------------------------------- >>>>>This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >>>>>http://ellsworthme.com/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>-- >>>>Mark Gumprecht >>>>Data Systems Specialist >>>>MSAD3 >>>>Unity, ME >>>>gumprechtm at msln.net >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Mark Gumprecht >>Data Systems Specialist >>MSAD3 >>Unity, ME >>gumprechtm at msln.net >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Sep 23 15:25:51 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:25:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <433417A1.2020001@msln.net> References: <4333ECE9.8070407@msln.net> < > <433417A1.2020001@msln.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, September 23, 2005 at 10:56 AM +0000 wrote: >My /home is it's own partition. I have 146gb open on that one. I didn't >know if I could do a mandatory profile or not. >I have a mix of win98,2k,xp and all do not have the same programs >loaded. So if I put shortcuts for programs that exist on one machine >that doesn't exist on another, it will confuse them. >I would love to see your script. I'm trying to hold out to 2pm when the >high school lets out. I have 434mb left open on the /opt partition >before she's full. Luckly I put the /opt on it's own partition. >Thanks >Mark Something is wrong....dude....your high school ain't that big. I only have a 36 gb SCSI drive for 600 users. We're 3 - 4 weeks into the school year and only 4.4 gb has been used. Text files, normal pics, and even spreadsheets and powerpoints...don't take up that much room. If they're saving anything bigger than that to their profile...then they shouldn't...as it'll slow the login process tremendously....and it's not a good thing to do. Are you mapping /home/username via a login script? If not...you should...and encourage them to save larger files there. My kids simply save there anyway as we've told them it's safer since it saves instantly as opposed to saving on "log-off". You probably should scan your drive for "illicit files" like MP3's....etc. And then write a script to delete them. Something like....(and I have NOT tested this...so don't necessarily use it) !#/bin/bash for x in `ls /home`; do echo "Doing $x ..." cd /opt/samba/profiles/${x}/My\ Documents rm -f *.mp3 this is only an example....you can modify to suit....and even add to cover more filetypes....etc. Now...the way around the shortcuts issue...is to simply leave the shortcuts on the machine....don't make them part of the profile. Follow my how-to with the smbldap-installer (near the end of the doc) on how to create a default profile. I have never done an enforced "mandatory" profile....mine is simply a common starting point. But...even a mandatory profile (unless you can enforce a quota) won't keep your profiles from growing. I use DeepFreeze so the machines never change....the profiles do, but the machines don't. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Sep 23 15:33:08 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:33:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <43341BC7.3070400@msln.net> References: <200509231430.j8NEUDS12406@downeast.net> < > < > < > <4333FA74.7000703@msln.net> < > < > < > < > <433413D5.2070509@msln.net> < > <43341BC7.3070400@msln.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, September 23, 2005 at 11:14 AM +0000 wrote: >Thank you Dave, you just saved me from having to move 700+ profiles, >one at a time. What's a good source for learning scripting? >Mark Matt Oquist...at the Gould Linux conference :-) http://www.nelinux.org (currently scheduled June 18 -21). We're doing it again this year and so is he.... We're also having one at UNH (University of New Hampshire) July 16-19. Remember I'm not much of a scripter....I copy other people and cut and paste stuff. I've learned a lot that way, but you can also see http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ this is a cool site and very helpful. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Sep 23 15:55:39 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:55:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] video "input out of sync" Message-ID: <20050923085539.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.266fcaa785.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Funny, when I use icewm everything in Gcompris and ChildsPlay works great including sound. In KDE and GNOME things get a little squirrely. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] video "input out of sync" > From: "David Trask" > Date: Thu, September 22, 2005 10:59 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Cc: k12osn at redhat.com > > Run the apps in windowed mode....which ones are you having issues with? > I've been through this particularly with LCD monitors.... > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Thursday, September 22, 2005 at 4:09 PM +0000 wrote: > >When trying to run some of the educational software on the thin client I > >receive "input out of sync" error. This only happens on the thin > >client. I have used the monitor on the server and it works fine. The > >educational software runs fine from the server. Is there a setting > >that needs to be set for the thin client?? The thin client works fine > >running all of the other apps, openoffice, etc. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > >Ron > > > >Ronald R. McDaniel > >Conecuh County Schools > >(251) 578-7073 x26 > >(251) 230-0658 cell > >rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Fri Sep 23 16:15:15 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:15:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <43341BC7.3070400@msln.net> References: <200509231430.j8NEUDS12406@downeast.net> < > <4333FA74.7000703@msln.net> < > <433413D5.2070509@msln.net> <43341BC7.3070400@msln.net> Message-ID: <43342A13.2060505@maltzen.net> Mark Gumprecht wrote: > one at a time. What's a good source for learning scripting? > Mark While O'Reilly books are often regarded as the standards for Unix manuals, for scripting I've found their books on bash/ksh/csh to be lacking in examples. Recently, I discoverd "Mastering UNIX Shell Scripting" by Randal K. Michael, which seems more thorough, including a chapter called "12 ways for parsing a file line-by-line". It's perhaps not as thrilling as going to the Gould Linux Conference, but it's cheaper. :-) Petre From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Sep 23 16:35:06 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:35:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <43342A13.2060505@maltzen.net> References: <200509231430.j8NEUDS12406@downeast.net> < > < > < > <4333FA74.7000703@msln.net> < > < > < > < > <433413D5.2070509@msln.net> < > < > <43341BC7.3070400@msln.net> <43342A13.2060505@maltzen.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, September 23, 2005 at 12:15 PM +0000 wrote: >It's perhaps not >as thrilling as going to the Gould Linux Conference, but it's cheaper. Not neccessarily....school usually pays for the conference, but you have to buy your own book ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Sep 23 18:17:36 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:17:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] locking down the session at login Message-ID: <20050923111736.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.0b6c4375d1.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Now that I have become a believer in icewm, is there a way to lock down the session that is started from the LTSP login screen??? Just hit me in the head with a hammer if this is in the archives. Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Fri Sep 23 19:40:56 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:40:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop Message-ID: <43345A48.4020206@saskforestcentre.ca> I just decided to enable rdesktop in my lts.conf. By default the RDP options in lts.conf specify -F, which is probably for fullscreen. I cannot get it to work. I did a man rdesktop and found the fullscreen switch is -f. Is this my error, or is it a change in rdesktop, or just one of those things? Angus Carr. ps. Yes, it works with -f... From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Sep 23 22:09:13 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:09:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] My vision needs feedback. In-Reply-To: <20050923135524.6086.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050923135524.6086.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1127513353.13449.165.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 06:55 -0700, Rob Owens wrote: > I will again plug a piece of software that I've only > read about and never tried. It's called tsync and it > is designed to automatically syncronize files on > separate computers. If there is no network > connectivity between the computers for a period of > time, it will wait until it has network connectivity > and then it will syncronize automatically. This could > be used for syncronizing the home folders on the > laptops. > > The laptop thing is a cool idea, but others have > pointed out some practical problems, such as cost of > repair, theft, etc. Why not instead outfit the entire > school with recycled thin clients and provide a > mid-grade linux desktop to each student for their > home? You could also have a "computer store" at the > school where the kids can purchase hardware upgrades > that have been tested specifically for use on their > system. This will help to prevent your seniors from > having to use obsolete equipment (by the standards of > the day). Seems to me that for the same price as "a > laptop for everybody", you could have a thin client > for everybody plus a home desktop for everybody. > Desktops are cheaper to upgrade and less likely to get > dropped or stolen. > > Students with home internet access can have their home > desktops synced with /home at the school. Students > w/o internet could use usb keys. Or perhaps it would > be a good idea to negotiate with a local ISP for a > student discount on internet service. (Or maybe the > school could run it's own ISP? I'm not sure if that's > possible or if it's just a dumb idea.) > > -Rob > Actually, my district is its own ISP, and it works out pretty well. We provide DSL, ISDN, and dial-up access. The ISDN is for those places that aren't in range for DSL. We also have a VPN Concentrator for those with cable modems to be able to log in (we provide a preconfigured 3DES IPSec VPN client). I agree; the thin clients in the school, coupled with desktops for the home, seems much more manageable, and less expensive, to me. You can get brand-new cheapie PCs with GNU/Linux or FreeDOS for $199. Of course, they need more DRAM than the stock 128MB, and 512MB upgrades are less than $100, thus giving them 640MB, which as we all know, ought to be enough for anybody. :-) The 40GB disk drives that come with them are much more than large enough. Thus, for less than $300, they have a pretty sweet setup. You can image them with whatever distribution that you please, at that point. Furthermore, if you have a VPN concentrator of some sort (we happen to use Cisco's 3030, but any will work), then students can simply VPN in and sync their work at home with their homedirs on the school server. I do this kind of thing all the time; it's very handy. The thin clients can be had practically for free. Dell Optiplex GX1's make great thin clients. Once the BIOS is flashed, which is very easy to do, they support PXE booting quite nicely (early BIOS versions had broken PXE-boot code, see). Companies and school districts all around the USA are dyin' to dump these things without paying disposal fees. Even on eBay, they can be had for between $5 and $20. Dude, your options are many and varied. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Fri Sep 23 23:15:31 2005 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:15:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] News article about school's LTSP installation In-Reply-To: <69b790a805092110275ae84d10@mail.gmail.com> References: <1127320229.3438.48.camel@bstapleton.balham.technology.net.au> <20050921122000.29e4d53b@localhost.localdomain> <69b790a805092110275ae84d10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69b790a805092316157dd1cf@mail.gmail.com> On 9/21/05, Roger wrote: > The Sirius site had additional details: > "K12 educational package suite, including Klogo and Tuxtyping software > amongst dozens of other programs." > I contacted Sirius, asking what distro. he said two things.. 1st. they're overwhelmed with the response the article has generated. 2nd. k12ltsp is the distro they used. Roger From ramonklown at pop.com.br Sat Sep 24 00:45:56 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:45:56 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] vlc or xine? Message-ID: <34312.201.8.58.70.1127522756.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> I was wondering which wastes less bandwidth on a ltsp. Is streaming worth the trouble or is it better just to play off the file? Is it going to make a diference on the server usage? Thanks From jam at mcquil.com Sat Sep 24 05:50:52 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 01:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop In-Reply-To: <43345A48.4020206@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <43345A48.4020206@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: Angus, the 'rdesktop' screen script is definately using '-f'. WHere are you seeing '-F' ? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, Angus Carr wrote: > I just decided to enable rdesktop in my lts.conf. By default the RDP options > in lts.conf specify -F, which is probably for fullscreen. I cannot get it to > work. I did a man rdesktop and found the fullscreen switch is -f. Is this my > error, or is it a change in rdesktop, or just one of those things? > > Angus Carr. > ps. Yes, it works with -f... > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ahodson at elp.rr.com Sat Sep 24 21:20:25 2005 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson at elp.rr.com) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:20:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Trouble in River City... yum update Message-ID: <3d437643d432df.3d432df3d43764@texas.rr.com> Folks: Whenever I try to update yum I am getting: Error: Missing Dependency: python < 0:2.4 is needed by package python-reportlab What are the more knowledgable folks doing? Cheers Alan Hodson Rl Paso, (west) TX -=o=- From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Sat Sep 24 23:34:33 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:34:33 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] smbmount home dir's in a Win2k domain In-Reply-To: <433329C9.3010204@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <433329C9.3010204@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <200509241934.33288.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Thursday 22 September 2005 18:01, Angus Carr wrote: > I have now got a single signon system up and running under CentOS 4 w/ > K12LTSP 4.2.1EL, or something like that. That's the good news. It was > actually quite simple - only two config files to manually edit, and I > have it autimatically creating home directories for me. Other than that, > the authconfig stuff worked. > > Has anybody added in a set of automatic filesystem mounts on login, only > to be unmounted on login? We have been using pam-mount for two years with great success. Just google on pam_mount and download and you will find the site. -- Thanks, John From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 25 01:24:49 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] My vision needs feedback. In-Reply-To: <1127513353.13449.165.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20050925012449.37288.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Another thing I thought of that might be a viable alternative to giving students laptops or providing home desktops: Set up a few mini labs around town. If it is a rural area with a spread-out population, this might not work. But if it is feasible for students to take a bus or ride a bike to one of several central locations, you could set up thin-client labs that students or anybody else can use. -Rob __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Sun Sep 25 06:14:56 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:14:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Trouble in River City... yum update In-Reply-To: <3d437643d432df.3d432df3d43764@texas.rr.com> References: <3d437643d432df.3d432df3d43764@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <43364060.8000809@saskforestcentre.ca> ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: >Folks: > >Whenever I try to update yum I am getting: > >Error: Missing Dependency: python < 0:2.4 is needed by package >python-reportlab > > Hmmm, me too. I'm just setting up a FC4->k12ltsp setup, and I can install k12ltsp-core and k12ltsp-extras, but none of the other metapackages. I'm also getting key errors, but I can just disable the key check. Angus Carr. From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Sun Sep 25 06:29:29 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:29:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop In-Reply-To: References: <43345A48.4020206@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <433643C9.3040602@saskforestcentre.ca> Jim McQuillan wrote: >Angus, > >the 'rdesktop' screen script is definately using '-f'. WHere are you >seeing '-F' ? > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > >On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, Angus Carr wrote: > > > >>I just decided to enable rdesktop in my lts.conf. By default the RDP options >>in lts.conf specify -F, which is probably for fullscreen. I cannot get it to >>work. I did a man rdesktop and found the fullscreen switch is -f. Is this my >>error, or is it a change in rdesktop, or just one of those things? >> >>Angus Carr. >>ps. Yes, it works with -f... >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Just set up a machine at home after a hard drive failure, so I haven't had time to fuss with it... #SCREEN_04 = rdesktop # RDP_SERVER = your.2k.server # RDP_OPTIONS = -F -u fred -d ltsp This is an FC4 x86_64 box, from a fresh DVD install, following the instructions from the wiki. All I really did was add the k12ltsp release package and keys, then k12ltsp-core. I really don't know what's going on, but this is the bug report to run with. Angus Carr. From jam at mcquil.com Sun Sep 25 06:36:48 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 02:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop In-Reply-To: <433643C9.3040602@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <43345A48.4020206@saskforestcentre.ca> <433643C9.3040602@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: Angus, That is in eHarrison's lts.conf file. That's not something that is part of the starts ltsp packages that I produce. Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Sun, 25 Sep 2005, Angus Carr wrote: > Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > Angus, > > > > the 'rdesktop' screen script is definately using '-f'. WHere are you > > seeing '-F' ? > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, Angus Carr wrote: > > > > > > > I just decided to enable rdesktop in my lts.conf. By default the RDP > > > options > > > in lts.conf specify -F, which is probably for fullscreen. I cannot get it > > > to > > > work. I did a man rdesktop and found the fullscreen switch is -f. Is this > > > my > > > error, or is it a change in rdesktop, or just one of those things? > > > > > > Angus Carr. > > > ps. Yes, it works with -f... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > Just set up a machine at home after a hard drive failure, so I haven't had > time to fuss with it... > #SCREEN_04 = rdesktop > # RDP_SERVER = your.2k.server > # RDP_OPTIONS = -F -u fred -d ltsp > This is an FC4 x86_64 box, from a fresh DVD install, following the > instructions from the wiki. All I really did was add the k12ltsp release > package and keys, then k12ltsp-core. > > I really don't know what's going on, but this is the bug report to run with. > > Angus Carr. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mhoppes at gmail.com Sun Sep 25 13:17:21 2005 From: mhoppes at gmail.com (Matt) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 09:17:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Question on multiple network uses Message-ID: If I want to setup an LTSP on my network, but also want to allow people to use the same network to get onto the net with their regular machines.... is there any way I can do this? Right now if I have LTSP give DHCP... machines that aren't workstations can't get out to the net as they look to LTSP as the gateway. If I have something else be the DHCP server, then the terminals don't seem to find where they should be going. Any thoughts? From rmcdaniel at indata.us Sun Sep 25 13:21:49 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 06:21:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Question on multiple network uses Message-ID: <20050925062149.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a444248f1b.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> You need to set the gateway address in DHCP to the address of your router not the LTSP. If you aren't using the LTSP as a Proxy server, this shouldn't be a big deal. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] Question on multiple network uses > From: Matt > Date: Sun, September 25, 2005 8:17 am > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > If I want to setup an LTSP on my network, but also want to allow > people to use the same network to get onto the net with their regular > machines.... is there any way I can do this? Right now if I have LTSP > give DHCP... machines that aren't workstations can't get out to the > net as they look to LTSP as the gateway. If I have something else be > the DHCP server, then the terminals don't seem to find where they > should be going. Any thoughts? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From staffords at glenburn.net Sun Sep 25 17:36:15 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 13:36:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Filter Error In-Reply-To: <4333F7BA.9080604@msln.net> References: <4333ECE9.8070407@msln.net> < > <1127478951.16387.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4333F7BA.9080604@msln.net> Message-ID: Someone solved this last year and I can't seem to find the fix. When the user trys to open up an Open Office file, it opens a Select Filter menu with like 30 options, none of which seem to work. If I remember right, someone had a command which reset the user's Open Office settings, or maybe I was supposed to delete the Open Office settings in their open folder. But, I remember last year it worked like a charm. ring any bells? thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From caldodge at fpcc.net Sun Sep 25 18:19:09 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 12:19:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Trouble in River City... yum update In-Reply-To: <43364060.8000809@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <3d437643d432df.3d432df3d43764@texas.rr.com> <43364060.8000809@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <20050925181909.GA32408@fpcc.net> On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 12:14:56AM -0600, Angus Carr wrote: > ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > > >Folks: > > > >Whenever I try to update yum I am getting: > > > >Error: Missing Dependency: python < 0:2.4 is needed by package > >python-reportlab > > > > > Hmmm, me too. I'm just setting up a FC4->k12ltsp setup, and I can > install k12ltsp-core and k12ltsp-extras, but none of the other metapackages. > I'm also getting key errors, but I can just disable the key check. I had this problem, too. I _believe_ that the python-reportlab package which is in the k12ltsp distro is based on Python 2.3, while Fedora Core 4 comes with Python 2.4. I solved this by installing the python-reportlab from the Fedora Extras repository (THAT one is based on Python 2.4). After that, the other k12ltsp installs went just fine. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From petre at maltzen.net Sun Sep 25 21:44:43 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 16:44:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] settings in lts.conf to support ATI Mach64 for X server Message-ID: <43371A4B.3000601@maltzen.net> I have a potential thin client with an on-board ATI Mach64 chipset for video. It's an old 486, but has PCI slots, so the Universal Boot Floppy is able to recognize the ethernet card. But I can't figure out what X server to set for it in lts.conf. I've tried setting X = ati (for XFree 4) and virtually all the XFree 3 drivers, but I mostly get "no screens found" errors. What driver (presumably XFree 3) do I need to install to make this work? What package do I need to have yum pull down? BTW, this is for k12ltsp ver 4.4.1. Petre From olle at paalalinn.com Sun Sep 25 23:41:39 2005 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 02:41:39 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Trouble in River City... yum update In-Reply-To: <20050925181909.GA32408@fpcc.net> References: <3d437643d432df.3d432df3d43764@texas.rr.com> <43364060.8000809@saskforestcentre.ca> <20050925181909.GA32408@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <433735B3.5090205@paalalinn.com> This will help you: rpm -e --nodeps schooltool schoolbell But if you need shooltool or schoolbell, then I don't nkow what to do. Calvin Dodge wrote: >On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 12:14:56AM -0600, Angus Carr wrote: > > >>ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: >> >> >> >>>Folks: >>> >>>Whenever I try to update yum I am getting: >>> >>>Error: Missing Dependency: python < 0:2.4 is needed by package >>>python-reportlab >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Hmmm, me too. I'm just setting up a FC4->k12ltsp setup, and I can >>install k12ltsp-core and k12ltsp-extras, but none of the other metapackages. >>I'm also getting key errors, but I can just disable the key check. >> >> > >I had this problem, too. I _believe_ that the python-reportlab package which >is in the k12ltsp distro is based on Python 2.3, while Fedora Core 4 comes >with Python 2.4. > >I solved this by installing the python-reportlab from the Fedora Extras >repository (THAT one is based on Python 2.4). After that, the other k12ltsp >installs went just fine. > >Calvin > > > From sbarar at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 01:22:34 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:52:34 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] settings in lts.conf to support ATI Mach64 for X server In-Reply-To: <43371A4B.3000601@maltzen.net> References: <43371A4B.3000601@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <774593a205092518227f94204b@mail.gmail.com> On 9/26/05, Petre Scheie wrote: > I have a potential thin client with an on-board ATI Mach64 chipset for > video. It's an old 486, but has PCI slots, so the Universal Boot Floppy > is able to recognize the ethernet card. But I can't figure out what X > server to set for it in lts.conf. I've tried setting X = ati (for XFree > 4) and virtually all the XFree 3 drivers, but I mostly get "no screens > found" errors. What driver (presumably XFree 3) do I need to install to > make this work? What package do I need to have yum pull down? BTW, > this is for k12ltsp ver 4.4.1. Petre, Lines below from my lts.conf for such a hardware with B&W monitor. [ws114] XSERVER = vga X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync X_COLOR_DEPTH = 4 X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS1" Watch out for the last line and make sure that you have proper serial port for mouse. X can also hang if no mouse is found. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Sep 25 23:16:06 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 19:16:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Question on multiple network uses In-Reply-To: <20050925062149.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a444248f1b.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050925062149.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a444248f1b.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1127690166.4045.11.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Actually, he'd need to set his default gateway to that of eth0 on the LTSP server, if he's doing the default two-NIC install. In this case, he'll also have to turn on IP forwarding and NAT. That probably isn't done, which is why his thick clients can't find the way out. There's another, IMO easier, way to do this. Just do a single-NIC install of LTSP. You can use either your existing DHCP server (up until recently I used a Cisco 1605-R router for this purpose), or you can actually make your LTSP server your official DHCP server for the whole LAN, which is what I do now. The, in my case, K12LTSP server has one Gig-E NIC. All my LTSP terminals and my thick clients (FreeBSD, Yellow Dog, Slackware) get DHCP from the K12LTSP server and have no trouble at all going out. I even had Windows 98, Windows XP, and Mac OS boxes do the same thing, just for testing, and it works very well. The thick clients will simply ignore any parameters that they don't need. --TP On Sun, 2005-09-25 at 06:21 -0700, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > You need to set the gateway address in DHCP to the address of your > router not the LTSP. If you aren't using the LTSP as a Proxy server, > this shouldn't be a big deal. > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: [K12OSN] Question on multiple network uses > > From: Matt > > Date: Sun, September 25, 2005 8:17 am > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > > > If I want to setup an LTSP on my network, but also want to allow > > people to use the same network to get onto the net with their regular > > machines.... is there any way I can do this? Right now if I have LTSP > > give DHCP... machines that aren't workstations can't get out to the > > net as they look to LTSP as the gateway. If I have something else be > > the DHCP server, then the terminals don't seem to find where they > > should be going. Any thoughts? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Sep 25 23:42:36 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 19:42:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] settings in lts.conf to support ATI Mach64 for X server In-Reply-To: <43371A4B.3000601@maltzen.net> References: <43371A4B.3000601@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1127691756.4045.38.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Funny you should ask this.... Actually, last month I had a thin client with an original ATI Mach64 video board, vintage 1996! It is my friend's Pentium-120 that used to run Windows NT 3.51. I tried it out with a K12LTSP 4.2.1 server, and yes indeed, those Mach64 cards are autodetected seamlessly. But they're a little slow by today's standards. This isn't a problem if you're doing OpenOffice.org, email, and Web surfing. But when you fire up TuxType, you'll see it. The successor to that chip, the ATI 3D Rage Pro (Xpert at Work, Xpert at Play, Xpert98), uses the same X11 driver and is way quicker. It's pretty easy to find used 3D Rage Pro PCI boards on the cheap; another good alternative is the S3 Trio64 or newer chipset. I dropped a spare Trio64V+ board in my friend's computer, and TuxType started running at normal speed. After network bandwidth, I've discovered that video chipset oomph is the major performance factor on the thin client, not the CPU. Now, what I *did* run into with this old box is a mouse issue. This old box doesn't have a PS/2 mouse port; it uses serial mice. The mouse was physically on COM1. Thus, I had to make an entry for this box's MAC address in lts.conf so that it would always use /dev/ttyS0 for that guy instead of /dev/psaux, like all my other thin clients do. Once I did that, the ol' P-120 dinosaur made a great LTSP client. --TP On Sun, 2005-09-25 at 16:44 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > I have a potential thin client with an on-board ATI Mach64 chipset for > video. It's an old 486, but has PCI slots, so the Universal Boot Floppy > is able to recognize the ethernet card. But I can't figure out what X > server to set for it in lts.conf. I've tried setting X = ati (for XFree > 4) and virtually all the XFree 3 drivers, but I mostly get "no screens > found" errors. What driver (presumably XFree 3) do I need to install to > make this work? What package do I need to have yum pull down? BTW, > this is for k12ltsp ver 4.4.1. > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From genfil at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 07:38:44 2005 From: genfil at gmail.com (Jean Phil) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 00:38:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp on Open Mosix Message-ID: Is it advisable to K12ltsp on Openmosix cluster? From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Mon Sep 26 09:43:43 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:43:43 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp on Open Mosix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <96df2e0b05092602432abafa04@mail.gmail.com> You can put an OpenMosix kernel on a K12LTSP server, but I'd wait until the OM 2.6 kernel is fully ready and the user tools are fully ready... Jon On 26/09/05, Jean Phil wrote: > Is it advisable to K12ltsp on Openmosix cluster? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From swift at msad52.k12.me.us Mon Sep 26 13:06:23 2005 From: swift at msad52.k12.me.us (Randall Swift) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:06:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Firewall-sme v6 problem Message-ID: My firewall is using sme server v6. I am running pam-auth so that users have to authenticate to get internet access. Everything has been fine until a few days ago. Users cannot get internet acces unless I disable pam-auth and have no modifications. The only errors I can find in the logs is in the smbd-current file which follows. Any help is greatly appreciated. 2005-09-20 10:34:47.511606500 smbd version 2.2.8a started. 2005-09-20 10:34:47.558580500 Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2002 2005-09-20 10:34:47.698185500 ERROR: Badly formed boolean in configuration file: "". 2005-09-20 10:34:47.698271500 ERROR: Badly formed boolean in configuration file: "". 2005-09-20 10:34:47.784002500 standard input is not a socket, assuming -D option 2005-09-21 10:56:35.203575500 Got SIGHUP 2005-09-21 10:56:35.203579500 ERROR: Badly formed boolean in configuration file: "". 2005-09-21 10:56:35.203581500 ERROR: Badly formed boolean in configuration file: "". 2005-09-21 18:24:11.410036500 smbd version 2.2.8a started. 2005-09-21 18:24:11.457012500 Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2002 2005-09-21 18:24:11.596829500 ERROR: Badly formed boolean in configuration file: "". 2005-09-21 18:24:11.596916500 ERROR: Badly formed boolean in configuration file: "". 2005-09-21 18:24:11.682428500 standard input is not a socket, assuming -D option 2005-09-21 18:32:12.285900500 smbd version 2.2.8a started. 2005-09-21 18:32:12.332872500 Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2002 2005-09-21 18:32:12.472689500 ERROR: Badly formed boolean in configuration file: "". 2005-09-21 18:32:12.472778500 ERROR: Badly formed boolean in configuration file: "". 2005-09-21 18:32:12.558291500 standard input is not a socket, assuming -D option 2005-09-26 07:52:52.963913500 smbd version 2.2.8a started. 2005-09-26 07:52:53.088558500 Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2002 2005-09-26 07:52:54.538490500 ERROR: Badly formed boolean in configuration file: "". 2005-09-26 07:52:54.538566500 ERROR: Badly formed boolean in configuration file: "". 2005-09-26 07:52:55.290260500 standard input is not a socket, assuming -D option Thanks, Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From petre at maltzen.net Mon Sep 26 13:32:33 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 08:32:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] settings in lts.conf to support ATI Mach64 for X server In-Reply-To: <1127691756.4045.38.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <43371A4B.3000601@maltzen.net> <1127691756.4045.38.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4337F871.8000101@maltzen.net> Good point: even if I can get X to work with the onboard Mach64 video, the performance will likely be crummy; I don't know how much video RAM it has, either. I don't expect to actually deploy this client; rather, I want to keep it around just to show people that even a lowly 486 can make a decent if not stellar client. But I hadn't thought of just throwing a different video card into it. If I use something not-to-obscure, it *would* be automatically detected, and would be snappier than the onboard. I'll try that. I think I have an Xpert98 lying around. Fortunately, this machine has a PS/2 mouse port, so I don't have to fool around with serial ports (although I've already got that stuff in my lts.conf file for another client that does use a serial mouse). Terrell Prud? wrote: > Funny you should ask this.... > > Actually, last month I had a thin client with an original ATI Mach64 > video board, vintage 1996! It is my friend's Pentium-120 that used to > run Windows NT 3.51. I tried it out with a K12LTSP 4.2.1 server, and > yes indeed, those Mach64 cards are autodetected seamlessly. But they're > a little slow by today's standards. This isn't a problem if you're > doing OpenOffice.org, email, and Web surfing. But when you fire up > TuxType, you'll see it. > > The successor to that chip, the ATI 3D Rage Pro (Xpert at Work, Xpert at Play, > Xpert98), uses the same X11 driver and is way quicker. It's pretty easy > to find used 3D Rage Pro PCI boards on the cheap; another good > alternative is the S3 Trio64 or newer chipset. I dropped a spare > Trio64V+ board in my friend's computer, and TuxType started running at > normal speed. After network bandwidth, I've discovered that video > chipset oomph is the major performance factor on the thin client, not > the CPU. > > Now, what I *did* run into with this old box is a mouse issue. This old > box doesn't have a PS/2 mouse port; it uses serial mice. The mouse was > physically on COM1. Thus, I had to make an entry for this box's MAC > address in lts.conf so that it would always use /dev/ttyS0 for that guy > instead of /dev/psaux, like all my other thin clients do. Once I did > that, the ol' P-120 dinosaur made a great LTSP client. > > --TP > > On Sun, 2005-09-25 at 16:44 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>I have a potential thin client with an on-board ATI Mach64 chipset for >>video. It's an old 486, but has PCI slots, so the Universal Boot Floppy >>is able to recognize the ethernet card. But I can't figure out what X >>server to set for it in lts.conf. I've tried setting X = ati (for XFree >>4) and virtually all the XFree 3 drivers, but I mostly get "no screens >>found" errors. What driver (presumably XFree 3) do I need to install to >>make this work? What package do I need to have yum pull down? BTW, >>this is for k12ltsp ver 4.4.1. >> >>Petre >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Mon Sep 26 13:35:14 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:35:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Question on multiple network uses Message-ID: <20050926063514.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.3c7729c533.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> If you aren't using the server for proxy, then why even bother going through it? Just go straight to the router. Less chance of failure. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Question on multiple network uses > From: Terrell Prud?, "Jr." > Date: Sun, September 25, 2005 6:16 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > Actually, he'd need to set his default gateway to that of eth0 on the LTSP server, if he's doing the default two-NIC install. In this case, he'll also have to turn on IP forwarding and NAT. That probably isn't done, which is why his thick clients can't find the way out. > > There's another, IMO easier, way to do this. Just do a single-NIC install of LTSP. You can use either your existing DHCP server (up until recently I used a Cisco 1605-R router for this purpose), or you can actually make your LTSP server your official DHCP server for the whole LAN, which is what I do now. The, in my case, K12LTSP server has one Gig-E NIC. All my LTSP terminals and my thick clients (FreeBSD, Yellow Dog, Slackware) get DHCP from the K12LTSP server and have no trouble at all going out. I even had Windows 98, Windows XP, and Mac OS boxes do the same thing, just for testing, and it works very well. The thick clients will simply ignore any parameters that they don't need. > > --TP > > On Sun, 2005-09-25 at 06:21 -0700, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > You need to set the gateway address in DHCP to the address of your > router not the LTSP. If you aren't using the LTSP as a Proxy server, > this shouldn't be a big deal. > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: [K12OSN] Question on multiple network uses > > From: Matt > > Date: Sun, September 25, 2005 8:17 am > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > > > If I want to setup an LTSP on my network, but also want to allow > > people to use the same network to get onto the net with their regular > > machines.... is there any way I can do this? Right now if I have LTSP > > give DHCP... machines that aren't workstations can't get out to the > > net as they look to LTSP as the gateway. If I have something else be > > the DHCP server, then the terminals don't seem to find where they > > should be going. Any thoughts? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Mon Sep 26 13:44:03 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 08:44:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] News article about school's LTSP installation In-Reply-To: <69b790a805092316157dd1cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <1127320229.3438.48.camel@bstapleton.balham.technology.net.au> <20050921122000.29e4d53b@localhost.localdomain> <69b790a805092110275ae84d10@mail.gmail.com> <69b790a805092316157dd1cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4337FB23.60101@maltzen.net> As to the overwhelming response Sirius was getting, was it from other schools interested in doing the same? If not, what was the nature of the response? Roger wrote: > On 9/21/05, Roger wrote: > > >>The Sirius site had additional details: >>"K12 educational package suite, including Klogo and Tuxtyping software >>amongst dozens of other programs." >> > > > I contacted Sirius, asking what distro. > he said two things.. > 1st. they're overwhelmed with the response the article has generated. > 2nd. k12ltsp is the distro they used. > > Roger > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Sep 26 14:21:49 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:21:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Firewall-sme v6 problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Randy....did you make any changes to the config file recently? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From swift at msad52.k12.me.us Mon Sep 26 14:47:38 2005 From: swift at msad52.k12.me.us (Randall Swift) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:47:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Firewall-sme v6 problem In-Reply-To: References: <,> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, September 26, 2005 at 10:21 AM -0500 wrote: >Randy....did you make any changes to the config file recently? > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see The only thing I have done is to add users occasionaly. Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Mon Sep 26 15:07:07 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:07:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] extras repository Message-ID: <43380E9B.9080205@saskforestcentre.ca> There's a name conflict in the yum repositories on my FC4->K12ltsp machine. It's installed with FC4, then followed Eric's instructions for installing K12LTSP 4.4.1. When I yum anything, I get told "extras already added" or some similar message. I checked the repositories, and the k12ltsp extras and the fedora extras both register a repository "extras". I changed the repository name in the k12 file, and the message stops. Should this be added to the wiki instructions, or should it be fixed? Is it a bug that bites anyone else? FC4 includes the extras repository by default, but FC3 didn't. Is this minor issue coming out of that switch? Any thoughts? Angus Carr. From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Mon Sep 26 15:14:52 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:14:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Trouble in River City... yum update In-Reply-To: <20050925181909.GA32408@fpcc.net> References: <3d437643d432df.3d432df3d43764@texas.rr.com> <43364060.8000809@saskforestcentre.ca> <20050925181909.GA32408@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <4338106C.5050808@saskforestcentre.ca> Calvin Dodge wrote: >On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 12:14:56AM -0600, Angus Carr wrote: > > >>ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: >> >> >> >>>Folks: >>> >>>Whenever I try to update yum I am getting: >>> >>>Error: Missing Dependency: python < 0:2.4 is needed by package >>>python-reportlab >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Hmmm, me too. I'm just setting up a FC4->k12ltsp setup, and I can >>install k12ltsp-core and k12ltsp-extras, but none of the other metapackages. >>I'm also getting key errors, but I can just disable the key check. >> >> > >I had this problem, too. I _believe_ that the python-reportlab package which >is in the k12ltsp distro is based on Python 2.3, while Fedora Core 4 comes >with Python 2.4. > >I solved this by installing the python-reportlab from the Fedora Extras >repository (THAT one is based on Python 2.4). After that, the other k12ltsp >installs went just fine. > >Calvin > > > So... I went into yumex, disbled all but the extras repository (the fedora extras, not the k12ltsp extras... see another email I sent) and then installed python-reportlab apparently successfully. Yumex let me choose the version (1.2). Tada! Now for the rest of the extras and so on... Angus Carr. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Sep 26 17:30:49 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:30:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] extras repository In-Reply-To: <43380E9B.9080205@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <43380E9B.9080205@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <43383049.8010403@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Angus Carr wrote: > There's a name conflict in the yum repositories on my FC4->K12ltsp > machine. It's installed with FC4, then followed Eric's instructions for > installing K12LTSP 4.4.1. > > When I yum anything, I get told "extras already added" or some similar > message. I checked the repositories, and the k12ltsp extras and the > fedora extras both register a repository "extras". I changed the > repository name in the k12 file, and the message stops. > > Should this be added to the wiki instructions, or should it be fixed? Is > it a bug that bites anyone else? > > FC4 includes the extras repository by default, but FC3 didn't. Is this > minor issue coming out of that switch? > > Any thoughts? > > Angus Carr. > This is more of a minor "annoyance" than a bug. I fixed it a couple of of weeks ago, in k12ltsp-release-4.4.1-2.noarch.rpm I'll be putting out a k12ltsp-release-4.4.1-3.noarch.rpm within the next couple of days. This will include the new support in Yum for multiple GPG keys per repository (which will help K12LTSP since the repository contains packages from multiple sources). -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Sep 26 17:45:24 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:45:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Trouble in River City... yum update In-Reply-To: <4338106C.5050808@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <3d437643d432df.3d432df3d43764@texas.rr.com> <43364060.8000809@saskforestcentre.ca> <20050925181909.GA32408@fpcc.net> <4338106C.5050808@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <433833B4.1000004@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Angus Carr wrote: > Calvin Dodge wrote: > >> On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 12:14:56AM -0600, Angus Carr wrote: >> >> >>> ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Folks: >>>> >>>> Whenever I try to update yum I am getting: >>>> >>>> Error: Missing Dependency: python < 0:2.4 is needed by package >>>> python-reportlab >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Hmmm, me too. I'm just setting up a FC4->k12ltsp setup, and I can >>> install k12ltsp-core and k12ltsp-extras, but none of the other >>> metapackages. >>> I'm also getting key errors, but I can just disable the key check. >>> >> >> >> I had this problem, too. I _believe_ that the python-reportlab >> package which >> is in the k12ltsp distro is based on Python 2.3, while Fedora Core 4 >> comes >> with Python 2.4. >> >> I solved this by installing the python-reportlab from the Fedora Extras >> repository (THAT one is based on Python 2.4). After that, the other >> k12ltsp >> installs went just fine. >> >> Calvin >> >> >> > So... I went into yumex, disbled all but the extras repository (the > fedora extras, not the k12ltsp extras... see another email I sent) and > then installed python-reportlab apparently successfully. Yumex let me > choose the version (1.2). > > Tada! > > Now for the rest of the extras and so on... > > Angus Carr. > Hmmm, I'm not sure why the Fedora Extras repository would be causing a problem here. I'll take a look at it later after I finish compiling & testing the firefox update... -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From caldodge at fpcc.net Mon Sep 26 18:35:53 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:35:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Trouble in River City... yum update In-Reply-To: <433833B4.1000004@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <3d437643d432df.3d432df3d43764@texas.rr.com> <43364060.8000809@saskforestcentre.ca> <20050925181909.GA32408@fpcc.net> <4338106C.5050808@saskforestcentre.ca> <433833B4.1000004@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20050926183553.GA3808@fpcc.net> On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 10:45:24AM -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > Angus Carr wrote: > >Calvin Dodge wrote: > > > >>I had this problem, too. I _believe_ that the python-reportlab > >>package which > >>is in the k12ltsp distro is based on Python 2.3, while Fedora Core 4 > >>comes > >>with Python 2.4. > >> > >>I solved this by installing the python-reportlab from the Fedora Extras > >>repository (THAT one is based on Python 2.4). After that, the other > >>k12ltsp > >>installs went just fine. > > Hmmm, I'm not sure why the Fedora Extras repository would be causing a > problem here. > > I'll take a look at it later after I finish compiling & testing the > firefox update... I don't think the Fedora Extras repository is the problem. When I tried installing python-reportlab from Extras, it installed just fine. The problem was apparently with the k12ltsp repository, because its version of python-reportlab demanded a version of Python BEFORE 2.4 - and 2.4 is what ships with Fedora Core 4. So IMHO the version of python-reportlab which comes with k12ltsp needs to be updated. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Sep 26 19:06:01 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:06:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Trouble in River City... yum update In-Reply-To: <20050926183553.GA3808@fpcc.net> References: <3d437643d432df.3d432df3d43764@texas.rr.com> <43364060.8000809@saskforestcentre.ca> <20050925181909.GA32408@fpcc.net> <4338106C.5050808@saskforestcentre.ca> <433833B4.1000004@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20050926183553.GA3808@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <43384699.8090604@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Calvin Dodge wrote: > > I don't think the Fedora Extras repository is the problem. > > When I tried installing python-reportlab from Extras, it installed just fine. > The problem was apparently with the k12ltsp repository, because its version > of python-reportlab demanded a version of Python BEFORE 2.4 - and 2.4 is > what ships with Fedora Core 4. > > So IMHO the version of python-reportlab which comes with k12ltsp needs to > be updated. > > Calvin The python-reportlab in the K12LTSP repository is the latest from the FC4 Extras repository. There is an older package in the Fedora Extras repository that may be the problem. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Mon Sep 26 20:33:08 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:33:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] extras repository In-Reply-To: <43383049.8010403@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43380E9B.9080205@saskforestcentre.ca> <43383049.8010403@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43385B04.2070907@saskforestcentre.ca> Eric Harrison wrote: > Angus Carr wrote: > >> There's a name conflict in the yum repositories on my FC4->K12ltsp >> machine. It's installed with FC4, then followed Eric's instructions for >> installing K12LTSP 4.4.1. >> >> When I yum anything, I get told "extras already added" or some similar >> message. I checked the repositories, and the k12ltsp extras and the >> fedora extras both register a repository "extras". I changed the >> repository name in the k12 file, and the message stops. >> >> Should this be added to the wiki instructions, or should it be fixed? Is >> it a bug that bites anyone else? >> >> FC4 includes the extras repository by default, but FC3 didn't. Is this >> minor issue coming out of that switch? >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Angus Carr. >> > > > This is more of a minor "annoyance" than a bug. I fixed it a couple of > of weeks ago, in k12ltsp-release-4.4.1-2.noarch.rpm > > I'll be putting out a k12ltsp-release-4.4.1-3.noarch.rpm within the next > couple of days. This will include the new support in Yum for multiple > GPG keys per repository (which will help K12LTSP since the repository > contains packages from multiple sources). > > -Eric > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > A minor annoyance that bugged me :-) I wasn't sure what to call it, but I thought I would ask. Thanks for fixing it. I'll have a look whenever it comes out. Angus Carr. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Sep 26 21:46:08 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:46:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Question on multiple network uses In-Reply-To: <20050926063514.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.3c7729c533.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050926063514.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.3c7729c533.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1127771168.4045.47.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> That's exactly my point. :-) The single-NIC LTSP install allows just that and is how I do it unless I just *have* to do the dual-NIC way. --TP On Mon, 2005-09-26 at 06:35 -0700, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > If you aren't using the server for proxy, then why even bother going > through it? Just go straight to the router. Less chance of failure. > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Question on multiple network uses > > From: Terrell Prud, "Jr." > > Date: Sun, September 25, 2005 6:16 pm > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > > > Actually, he'd need to set his default gateway to that of eth0 on the LTSP server, if he's doing the default two-NIC install. In this case, he'll also have to turn on IP forwarding and NAT. That probably isn't done, which is why his thick clients can't find the way out. > > > > There's another, IMO easier, way to do this. Just do a single-NIC install of LTSP. You can use either your existing DHCP server (up until recently I used a Cisco 1605-R router for this purpose), or you can actually make your LTSP server your official DHCP server for the whole LAN, which is what I do now. The, in my case, K12LTSP server has one Gig-E NIC. All my LTSP terminals and my thick clients (FreeBSD, Yellow Dog, Slackware) get DHCP from the K12LTSP server and have no trouble at all going out. I even had Windows 98, Windows XP, and Mac OS boxes do the same thing, just for testing, and it works very well. The thick clients will simply ignore any parameters that they don't need. > > > > --TP > > > > On Sun, 2005-09-25 at 06:21 -0700, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > You need to set the gateway address in DHCP to the address of your > > router not the LTSP. If you aren't using the LTSP as a Proxy server, > > this shouldn't be a big deal. > > > > > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > Conecuh County Schools > > (251) 578-7073 x26 > > (251) 230-0658 cell > > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > Subject: [K12OSN] Question on multiple network uses > > > From: Matt > > > Date: Sun, September 25, 2005 8:17 am > > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > > > > > If I want to setup an LTSP on my network, but also want to allow > > > people to use the same network to get onto the net with their regular > > > machines.... is there any way I can do this? Right now if I have LTSP > > > give DHCP... machines that aren't workstations can't get out to the > > > net as they look to LTSP as the gateway. If I have something else be > > > the DHCP server, then the terminals don't seem to find where they > > > should be going. 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Via "neat" I've set eth0 as 192.168.0.254/255.255.255.0/192.168.0.0 (or blank) and done the usual yum update, ntsysv, /sbin.ifconfig/cat /etc/hosts, showmount -e, service nfs restart, df -h and I still keep getting a huge pause with "mounting root filesystem /opt/ltsp/i386 from 192.168.0.254" followed by "mount: nfsmount failed: bad file descriptor" and "nfs: mount program didn't pass remote address" and finally "mount: mounting 192.168.0.224:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /mnt failed: invalid argument" - I am at my wit's end... =============== shownount info: [root at HodsonNET1 ~]# showmount -e Export list for HodsonNET1: /opt/ltsp/ppc 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 /usr/share/fonts 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 /usr/share/AbiSuite/fonts 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 /usr/lib/openoffice/share/fonts 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 =============== chkconfig info: [root at HodsonNET1 ~]# chkconfig --list NetworkManager 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off NetworkManagerDispatcher 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off acpid 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off anacron 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off apmd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off apt 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off atd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off auditd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off autofs 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off bluetooth 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off cpuspeed 0:off 1:on 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off crond 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off cups 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off cups-config-daemon 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off dc_client 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off dc_server 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off dhcpd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off dhcrelay 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off diskdump 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off gpm 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off haldaemon 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off hpoj 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off httpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off iptables 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off irda 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off isdn 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off kudzu 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off lisa 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off lm_sensors 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off ltsp-swapfile-delete 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off mDNSResponder 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off mdmonitor 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off mdmpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off messagebus 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off named 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off nat 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off netdump 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off netfs 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off netplugd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off network 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off nfs 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off nfslock 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off nifd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off nscd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off ntpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off pcmcia 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off portmap 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off psacct 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off rdisc 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off rhnsd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off rpcgssd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off rpcidmapd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off rwhod 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off saslauthd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off sendmail 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off smb 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off snmpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off snmptrapd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off spamassassin 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off squid 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off squidguard 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off sshd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off syslog 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off tomcat5 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off transparent-proxying 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off tux 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off verynice.init 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off vncserver 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off webmin 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:off 5:off 6:off winbind 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off wine 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off xfs 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off xinetd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off ypbind 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off yum 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off xinetd based services: chargen: off chargen-udp: off cvs: off daytime: off daytime-udp: off echo: off echo-udp: off eklogin: off gssftp: off klogin: off krb5-telnet: off kshell: off ktalk: off rsync: off telnet: off tftp: on time: off time-udp: off uucp: off vncts: on vncts.ltsp: off What am I missing? Urgent help appreciated Alan Hodson El Paso, TX -=o=- From ahodson at elp.rr.com Tue Sep 27 12:48:50 2005 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson at elp.rr.com) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 05:48:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] PANIC complement Message-ID: <3e7acf93e7cd60.3e7cd603e7acf9@texas.rr.com> I am using a fresh install of K12LTSP 4.4.1 cheers alan -=o=- From jam at mcquil.com Tue Sep 27 13:09:07 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] PANIC: Upcoming presentation looms In-Reply-To: <3e7c3193e7781d.3e7781d3e7c319@texas.rr.com> References: <3e7c3193e7781d.3e7781d3e7c319@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: Alan, This sounds like perhaps your broadcast address isn't setup for your network correctly. Either on the server, or on the clients. can you send me the following 2 things: 1) your dhcpd.conf file. 2) all of the output from this command: ifconfig -a Armed with that knowledge, i should be able to see if that's the issue. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > Folks > > After prevailing an argument that an Open Source/K12LTSP server/thin > client presentation has educational value for teachers, I am 4 short and > busy days away from the presentation in a neighboring district, and > still getting (server) thin client errors on eth0. Via "neat" I've set > eth0 as 192.168.0.254/255.255.255.0/192.168.0.0 (or blank) and done the > usual yum update, ntsysv, /sbin.ifconfig/cat /etc/hosts, showmount -e, > service nfs restart, df -h and I still keep getting a huge pause with > "mounting root filesystem /opt/ltsp/i386 from 192.168.0.254" followed by > "mount: nfsmount failed: bad file descriptor" and "nfs: mount program > didn't pass remote address" and finally "mount: mounting > 192.168.0.224:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /mnt failed: invalid argument" - I am at > my wit's end... > > =============== shownount info: > [root at HodsonNET1 ~]# showmount -e > Export list for HodsonNET1: > /opt/ltsp/ppc 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > /usr/share/fonts 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > /usr/share/AbiSuite/fonts 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > /usr/lib/openoffice/share/fonts 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > > =============== chkconfig info: > [root at HodsonNET1 ~]# chkconfig --list > NetworkManager 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off > NetworkManagerDispatcher 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off > 5:off 6:off > acpid 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > anacron 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off > apmd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off > apt 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off > atd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off > auditd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > autofs 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > bluetooth 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off > cpuspeed 0:off 1:on 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off > crond 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off > cups 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > cups-config-daemon 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on > 6:off > dc_client 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off > dc_server 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off > dhcpd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > dhcrelay 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > diskdump 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > gpm 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > haldaemon 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > hpoj 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > httpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off > iptables 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > irda 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > isdn 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > kudzu 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > lisa 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > lm_sensors 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > ltsp-swapfile-delete 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on > 6:off > mDNSResponder 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > mdmonitor 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > mdmpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > messagebus 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > named 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > nat 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > netdump 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > netfs 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > netplugd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > network 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > nfs 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > nfslock 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > nifd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > nscd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > ntpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > pcmcia 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > portmap 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > psacct 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > rdisc 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > rhnsd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > rpcgssd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > rpcidmapd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > rwhod 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > saslauthd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > sendmail 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > smb 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off > snmpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off > snmptrapd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > spamassassin 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > squid 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > squidguard 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > sshd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > syslog 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > tomcat5 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > transparent-proxying 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off > 6:off > tux 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off > verynice.init 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > vncserver 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > webmin 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:off 5:off 6:off > winbind 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > wine 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > xfs 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > xinetd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > ypbind 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > yum 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > > xinetd based services: > chargen: off > chargen-udp: off > cvs: off > daytime: off > daytime-udp: off > echo: off > echo-udp: off > eklogin: off > gssftp: off > klogin: off > krb5-telnet: off > kshell: off > ktalk: off > rsync: off > telnet: off > tftp: on > time: off > time-udp: off > uucp: off > vncts: on > vncts.ltsp: off > > What am I missing? Urgent help appreciated > Alan Hodson > El Paso, TX > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Tue Sep 27 13:30:44 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:30:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] PANIC: Upcoming presentation looms In-Reply-To: <3e7c3193e7781d.3e7781d3e7c319@texas.rr.com> References: <3e7c3193e7781d.3e7781d3e7c319@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <43394984.50901@saskforestcentre.ca> Is your firewall set to trust eth0? (system settings-->Security Level) It sounds to me that nfs is failing. Perhaps you could test it with another nfs client than the thin clients (another linux box), if you have one at hand. Good luck, and keep us posted. Angus Carr. ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: >Folks > >After prevailing an argument that an Open Source/K12LTSP server/thin >client presentation has educational value for teachers, I am 4 short and >busy days away from the presentation in a neighboring district, and >still getting (server) thin client errors on eth0. Via "neat" I've set >eth0 as 192.168.0.254/255.255.255.0/192.168.0.0 (or blank) and done the >usual yum update, ntsysv, /sbin.ifconfig/cat /etc/hosts, showmount -e, >service nfs restart, df -h and I still keep getting a huge pause with >"mounting root filesystem /opt/ltsp/i386 from 192.168.0.254" followed by >"mount: nfsmount failed: bad file descriptor" and "nfs: mount program >didn't pass remote address" and finally "mount: mounting >192.168.0.224:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /mnt failed: invalid argument" - I am at >my wit's end... > >=============== shownount info: >[root at HodsonNET1 ~]# showmount -e >Export list for HodsonNET1: >/opt/ltsp/ppc 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 >/opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 >/usr/share/fonts 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 >/var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 >/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 >/usr/share/AbiSuite/fonts 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 >/usr/lib/openoffice/share/fonts 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > >=============== chkconfig info: >[root at HodsonNET1 ~]# chkconfig --list >NetworkManager 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off >NetworkManagerDispatcher 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off >5:off 6:off >acpid 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >anacron 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off >apmd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off >apt 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off >atd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off >auditd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >autofs 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >bluetooth 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off >cpuspeed 0:off 1:on 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off >crond 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off >cups 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >cups-config-daemon 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on >6:off >dc_client 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off >dc_server 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off >dhcpd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >dhcrelay 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off >diskdump 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off >gpm 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >haldaemon 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >hpoj 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >httpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off >iptables 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >irda 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off >isdn 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >kudzu 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >lisa 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off >lm_sensors 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >ltsp-swapfile-delete 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on >6:off >mDNSResponder 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >mdmonitor 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >mdmpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off >messagebus 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >named 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >nat 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >netdump 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off >netfs 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >netplugd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off >network 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >nfs 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >nfslock 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >nifd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >nscd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off >ntpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off >pcmcia 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >portmap 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >psacct 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off >rdisc 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off >rhnsd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >rpcgssd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >rpcidmapd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >rwhod 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off >saslauthd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off >sendmail 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off >smb 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off >snmpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off >snmptrapd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off >spamassassin 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off >squid 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off >squidguard 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off >sshd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >syslog 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >tomcat5 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off >transparent-proxying 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off >6:off >tux 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off >verynice.init 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >vncserver 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >webmin 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:off 5:off 6:off >winbind 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off >wine 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >xfs 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >xinetd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off >ypbind 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off >yum 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > >xinetd based services: > chargen: off > chargen-udp: off > cvs: off > daytime: off > daytime-udp: off > echo: off > echo-udp: off > eklogin: off > gssftp: off > klogin: off > krb5-telnet: off > kshell: off > ktalk: off > rsync: off > telnet: off > tftp: on > time: off > time-udp: off > uucp: off > vncts: on > vncts.ltsp: off > >What am I missing? Urgent help appreciated >Alan Hodson >El Paso, TX >-=o=- > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > > From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Sep 27 13:21:51 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:21:51 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] PANIC: Upcoming presentation looms Message-ID: <200509271533.j8RFX2c16746@downeast.net> Alan: whwn you do a netstat -anp|grep 2049 does it look normal: with 64 bit i found it trying ipv6 addresses//a long shot but..what the hay..chuck btw..is that 192.168.0.224 real?? chuck > Folks > > After prevailing an argument that an Open Source/K12LTSP server/thin > client presentation has educational value for teachers, I am 4 short and > busy days away from the presentation in a neighboring district, and > still getting (server) thin client errors on eth0. Via "neat" I've set > eth0 as 192.168.0.254/255.255.255.0/192.168.0.0 (or blank) and done the > usual yum update, ntsysv, /sbin.ifconfig/cat /etc/hosts, showmount -e, > service nfs restart, df -h and I still keep getting a huge pause with > "mounting root filesystem /opt/ltsp/i386 from 192.168.0.254" followed by > "mount: nfsmount failed: bad file descriptor" and "nfs: mount program > didn't pass remote address" and finally "mount: mounting > 192.168.0.224:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /mnt failed: invalid argument" - I am at > my wit's end... > > =============== shownount info: > [root at HodsonNET1 ~]# showmount -e > Export list for HodsonNET1: > /opt/ltsp/ppc 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > /usr/share/fonts 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > /usr/share/AbiSuite/fonts 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > /usr/lib/openoffice/share/fonts 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > > =============== chkconfig info: > [root at HodsonNET1 ~]# chkconfig --list > NetworkManager 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off > NetworkManagerDispatcher 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off > 5:off 6:off > acpid 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > anacron 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off > apmd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off > apt 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off > atd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off > auditd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > autofs 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > bluetooth 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off > cpuspeed 0:off 1:on 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off > crond 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off > cups 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > cups-config-daemon 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on > 6:off > dc_client 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off > dc_server 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off > dhcpd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > dhcrelay 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > diskdump 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > gpm 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > haldaemon 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > hpoj 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > httpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off > iptables 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > irda 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > isdn 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > kudzu 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > lisa 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > lm_sensors 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > ltsp-swapfile-delete 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on > 6:off > mDNSResponder 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > mdmonitor 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > mdmpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > messagebus 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > named 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > nat 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > netdump 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > netfs 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > netplugd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > network 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > nfs 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > nfslock 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > nifd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > nscd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > ntpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > pcmcia 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > portmap 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > psacct 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > rdisc 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > rhnsd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > rpcgssd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > rpcidmapd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > rwhod 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > saslauthd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > sendmail 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > smb 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off > snmpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off > snmptrapd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > spamassassin 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > squid 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > squidguard 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > sshd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > syslog 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > tomcat5 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > transparent-proxying 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off > 6:off > tux 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off > verynice.init 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > vncserver 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > webmin 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:off 5:off 6:off > winbind 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > wine 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > xfs 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > xinetd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off > ypbind 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > yum 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > > xinetd based services: > chargen: off > chargen-udp: off > cvs: off > daytime: off > daytime-udp: off > echo: off > echo-udp: off > eklogin: off > gssftp: off > klogin: off > krb5-telnet: off > kshell: off > ktalk: off > rsync: off > telnet: off > tftp: on > time: off > time-udp: off > uucp: off > vncts: on > vncts.ltsp: off > > What am I missing? Urgent help appreciated > Alan Hodson > El Paso, TX > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Sep 27 13:44:45 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:44:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] lp-server Message-ID: <237925b2376cb0.2376cb0237925b@texas.rr.com> I am trying to make an HP laserjet 4 Plus run using a 4terminal as a jet direct device. I have discovered that lp-server is not installed. I have tried searching for it and can't find it. Can someone tell me where I might find this thing so I can get it installed. Thanks Pat From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Sep 27 14:33:09 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:33:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Lock LDAP user account Message-ID: <43395825.1060705@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, I have a question regarding LDAP and user security. On my Samba/LDAP server I have the Samba side set to lock an account after 5 bad login attempts. The user is locked out with regard to the Windows machines, but if he goes into one of the thin-client labs and authenticates directly with the LDAP server, rather than through Samba he's allowed access. It seems the account is being locked in Samba, but not LDAP. Is anyone else seeing this behavior? Any ideas as to how I get get a uniform lockout? -- C-ya, Mark ____ "Consultants have credibility because they aren't dumb enough to work at your company." -- Scott Adams From fhkms at adelphia.net Tue Sep 27 17:46:45 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:46:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] reset-all-desktops Message-ID: <28028162.1127843205269.JavaMail.root@web10.mail.adelphia.net> I found this script while researching a way to reset my students desktops everytime they log off and then log back on: #!/bin/sh # # A simple script to reset a specific user's desktop settings # if [ ! "$1" ] then echo echo "usage: $0 " echo exit fi HOMEDIR=`eval "echo ~$1"` cd $HOMEDIR || { echo echo "Ack! the home directory of $1 was not found, aborting" echo exit } # out with the old for dir in .kde .gnome_private .gconfd .gconf .nautilus .gnome-desktop .gtkrc \ .sawfish .gnome do if [ -d $HOMEDIR/$dir ] then rm -rf $HOMEDIR/$dir &> /dev/null fi done for file in .screenrc do if [ -f $HOMEDIR/$file ] then rm -rf $HOMEDIR/$file &> /dev/null fi done # in with the new for new in .screenrc .gtkrc .kde .gnome-desktop do cp -a /etc/skel/$new $HOMEDIR/ &> /dev/null chown -R --reference=$HOMEDIR $HOMEDIR/$new &> /dev/null done What do I have to do to it to make it so the default gnome desktop is restored after every logoff/login? Thanks From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 18:03:20 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:03:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] lp-server In-Reply-To: <237925b2376cb0.2376cb0237925b@texas.rr.com> References: <237925b2376cb0.2376cb0237925b@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <43398968.4030000@gmail.com> jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: >I am trying to make an HP laserjet 4 Plus run using a 4terminal as a jet >direct device. I have discovered that lp-server is not installed. I >have tried searching for it and can't find it. Can someone tell me >where I might find this thing so I can get it installed. >Thanks >Pat > > I'm afraid that I can't help you, but I was wondering if you are using an actual 'HP JetDirect' device. I was recently given one, but it doesn't have a manual and I don't have a clue how to use it. Would you happen to have a .pdf (or whatever) that you could send me? I don't even know if it works. -- Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting qdecrassifyk at gtwindlej.com nfossilatedw at crecoinaget.net dprojectorr at mrepurplet.int ymarfikm at janimismn.org qrainbirdn at uurceolim.com eantiphonicalt at mscelidosaurusa.org nkeratocelea at kunafireb.net nchiasmodonp at otetrapylonz.com calkoxylg at hwondermongera.int kunhygienicallyu at cunwraph.gov From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 18:11:56 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:11:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] lp-server In-Reply-To: <43398968.4030000@gmail.com> References: <237925b2376cb0.2376cb0237925b@texas.rr.com> <43398968.4030000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43398B6C.6070202@gmail.com> Keith Olson wrote: > jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > >> I am trying to make an HP laserjet 4 Plus run using a 4terminal as a jet >> direct device. I have discovered that lp-server is not installed. I >> have tried searching for it and can't find it. Can someone tell me >> where I might find this thing so I can get it installed. >> Thanks >> Pat >> >> > I'm afraid that I can't help you, but I was wondering if you are using > an actual 'HP JetDirect' device. I was recently given one, but it > doesn't have a manual and I don't have a clue how to use it. Would > you happen to have a .pdf (or whatever) that you could send me? I > don't even know if it works. > BTW, it's an 'JetDirect Ex Plus3' (J2593A) with both BNC & 10Base-T connectors. I downloaded & installed the software from HP, but it can't find the device. -- Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting stobaccof at obaritek.edu yunmortaredi at htetragenousb.com yblowzeq at rbreedinessk.edu spedagogicsq at dpalaeichthyics.edu bvisitm at dhatchetliket.gov huteropexyr at econoidc.com mbaritem at epithfuln.com upredefianceu at aintromittencew.edu spropanedicarboxylicz at cunfixedz.edu ydebenturedy at fenharmonicallyu.com From petre at maltzen.net Tue Sep 27 18:24:10 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:24:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: JetDirect device [was lp-server] In-Reply-To: <43398968.4030000@gmail.com> References: <237925b2376cb0.2376cb0237925b@texas.rr.com> <43398968.4030000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43398E4A.8010507@maltzen.net> When you say 'jet direct device' do you mean one of the external Jet Direct devices? Grey, about the size of a video tape, has ports for ethernet, printer, perhaps USB? If so, I've got one, and I think I still have the box with manual and/or CD. If that's what you're after, I'll see about sending the info to you off-list. Petre Keith Olson wrote: > jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > >> I am trying to make an HP laserjet 4 Plus run using a 4terminal as a jet >> direct device. I have discovered that lp-server is not installed. I >> have tried searching for it and can't find it. Can someone tell me >> where I might find this thing so I can get it installed. >> Thanks >> Pat >> >> > I'm afraid that I can't help you, but I was wondering if you are using > an actual 'HP JetDirect' device. I was recently given one, but it > doesn't have a manual and I don't have a clue how to use it. Would you > happen to have a .pdf (or whatever) that you could send me? I don't > even know if it works. > From drloomis at cox-internet.com Tue Sep 27 18:36:58 2005 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:36:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox Crashing Clients Message-ID: <4339914A.2020801@cox-internet.com> We are having problems with Firefox crashing thin clients when accessing certain flash pages. Some of our preschoolers are accessing the cartoonnetwork.com site. When they access certain pages, the client crashes and reboots! It does not happen on all clients, but is consistent with certain clients. Most of our clients are New Internet Computers (ThinkNICs), and some are generic pcs with 3c905tx-tm cards. The server is a dual cpu athlon running K12LTSP-4.2.1. Clients are running IceWM with Nautilus enabled. The problems were first reported after I updated Firefox from 1.0.3 to 1.0.6, so, I removed 1.0.6 and reinstalled 1.0.3, but the problem persists. The flash plugin is the one that was installed when 4.2.1 was installed using the scripts Eric provided on the root desktop. Is anyone else having problems with Firefox and Flash. Dan -------------- next part -------------- Outgoing mail scanned by Fortigate Anti-Virus From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Sep 27 18:39:30 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:39:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Authconfig Settings Message-ID: <433991E2.5080709@honeygroveisd.net> Would someone using a machine set up by the Samba/LDAP script be willing to share their authconfig settings with me? I think I've got myself a bit messed up. -- C-ya, Mark ____ When there's a will, I want to be in it. From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 18:48:17 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:48:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: JetDirect device [was lp-server] In-Reply-To: <43398E4A.8010507@maltzen.net> References: <237925b2376cb0.2376cb0237925b@texas.rr.com> <43398968.4030000@gmail.com> <43398E4A.8010507@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <433993F1.2070103@gmail.com> Thank you. Petrel Scheme wrote: > When you say 'jet direct device' do you mean one of the external Jet > Direct devices? Grey, about the size of a video tape, has ports for > ethernet, printer, perhaps USB? If so, I've got one, and I think I > still have the box with manual and/or CD. If that's what you're > after, I'll see about sending the info to you off-list. > > Petre > > Keith Olson wrote: > >> jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: >> >>> I am trying to make an HP laserjet 4 Plus run using a 4terminal as a >>> jet >>> direct device. I have discovered that lp-server is not installed. I >>> have tried searching for it and can't find it. Can someone tell me >>> where I might find this thing so I can get it installed. >>> Thanks >>> Pat >>> >>> >> I'm afraid that I can't help you, but I was wondering if you are >> using an actual 'HP JetDirect' device. I was recently given one, but >> it doesn't have a manual and I don't have a clue how to use it. >> Would you happen to have a .pdf (or whatever) that you could send >> me? I don't even know if it works. >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting mpolyorchidismr at hanocarpousj.gov shambergitel at pquartzousm.net rsmitinga at uepimerumi.edu eoversystematicj at hprocliveg.mil fagoingo at cmacromeliak.edu udivinablec at lnonrecommendationk.org dbivalvea at hfishifyh.gov pantrotomyt at rgaravah.org wuncompassn at dgephyrocercald.int xphyllophagousu at muninurneds.mil From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 18:48:30 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:48:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox Crashing Clients In-Reply-To: <4339914A.2020801@cox-internet.com> References: <4339914A.2020801@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: On 9/27/05, Daniel Loomis wrote: > > We are having problems with Firefox crashing thin clients when accessing > certain flash pages. Some of our preschoolers are accessing the > cartoonnetwork.com site. When they access certain pages, the client > crashes and reboots! It does not happen on all clients, but is > consistent with certain clients. Yes, we've had the same thing. We are working on it right now. We fixed one account by transfering over the plugin directory of an account that was working... When we know more, we'll post. Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 18:50:38 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:50:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox Crashing Clients In-Reply-To: References: <4339914A.2020801@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: > > We are having problems with Firefox crashing thin clients when accessing > > certain flash pages. Some of our preschoolers are accessing the > > cartoonnetwork.com site. When they access certain pages, the client > > crashes and reboots! It does not happen on all clients, but is > > consistent with certain clients. > Sorry, I should clarify. We aren't crashing, but Firefox closes upon hitting certain sites. Another twist--this also happened for us after upgrading Firefox, but we are using Ubuntu for our thin-client server. Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Sep 27 18:53:31 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:53:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: JetDirect device [was lp-server] Message-ID: <23943c1239a2ff.239a2ff23943c1@texas.rr.com> Sorry about the dirth of detail. I'm talking about using a Linux etherboot terminal as a jetdirect device. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Olson Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: JetDirect device [was lp-server] > Thank you. > > Petrel Scheme wrote: > > > When you say 'jet direct device' do you mean one of the external > Jet > > Direct devices? Grey, about the size of a video tape, has ports > for > > ethernet, printer, perhaps USB? If so, I've got one, and I think > I > > still have the box with manual and/or CD. If that's what you're > > after, I'll see about sending the info to you off-list. > > > > Petre > > > > Keith Olson wrote: > > > >> jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > >> > >>> I am trying to make an HP laserjet 4 Plus run using a 4terminal > as a > >>> jet > >>> direct device. I have discovered that lp-server is not > installed. I > >>> have tried searching for it and can't find it. Can someone > tell me > >>> where I might find this thing so I can get it installed. > >>> Thanks > >>> Pat > >>> > >>> > >> I'm afraid that I can't help you, but I was wondering if you are > >> using an actual 'HP JetDirect' device. I was recently given > one, but > >> it doesn't have a manual and I don't have a clue how to use it. > >> Would you happen to have a .pdf (or whatever) that you could > send > >> me? I don't even know if it works. > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > -- > Keith Olson > K-Soft Consulting > > > mpolyorchidismr at hanocarpousj.gov shambergitel at pquartzousm.net > > rsmitinga at uepimerumi.edu eoversystematicj at hprocliveg.mil > > fagoingo at cmacromeliak.edu > udivinablec at lnonrecommendationk.org > dbivalvea at hfishifyh.gov pantrotomyt at rgaravah.org > > wuncompassn at dgephyrocercald.int xphyllophagousu at muninurneds.mil > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Sep 27 19:07:05 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:07:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: JetDirect device [was lp-server] In-Reply-To: <23943c1239a2ff.239a2ff23943c1@texas.rr.com> References: <23943c1239a2ff.239a2ff23943c1@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <43399859.6070102@maltzen.net> I think what you're looking for is lp_server, not lp-server. lp_server is found in /opt/ltsp/i386/sbin/. On my k12ltsp 4.4.1 server, it is provided by the ltsp_i386-4.1.1-0.k12ltsp.0.4.2 package; on my 3.1.2 server, it's provided by ltsp_core-3.0.7-4.k12ltsp.3.3.0. What version are you running? Petre jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > Sorry about the dirth of detail. I'm talking about using a Linux > etherboot terminal as a jetdirect device. > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Keith Olson > Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:48 pm > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: JetDirect device [was lp-server] > > >>Thank you. >> >>Petrel Scheme wrote: >> >> >>>When you say 'jet direct device' do you mean one of the external >> >>Jet >> >>>Direct devices? Grey, about the size of a video tape, has ports >> >>for >> >>>ethernet, printer, perhaps USB? If so, I've got one, and I think >> >>I >> >>>still have the box with manual and/or CD. If that's what you're >>>after, I'll see about sending the info to you off-list. >>> >>>Petre >>> >>>Keith Olson wrote: >>> >>> >>>>jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>I am trying to make an HP laserjet 4 Plus run using a 4terminal >> >>as a >> >>>>>jet >>>>>direct device. I have discovered that lp-server is not >> >>installed. I >> >>>>>have tried searching for it and can't find it. Can someone >> >>tell me >> >>>>>where I might find this thing so I can get it installed. >>>>>Thanks >>>>>Pat >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>I'm afraid that I can't help you, but I was wondering if you are >>>>using an actual 'HP JetDirect' device. I was recently given >> >>one, but >> >>>>it doesn't have a manual and I don't have a clue how to use it. >>>>Would you happen to have a .pdf (or whatever) that you could >> >>send >> >>>>me? I don't even know if it works. >>>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >> >>-- >>Keith Olson >>K-Soft Consulting >> >> >>mpolyorchidismr at hanocarpousj.gov shambergitel at pquartzousm.net >> >>rsmitinga at uepimerumi.edu eoversystematicj at hprocliveg.mil >> >>fagoingo at cmacromeliak.edu >>udivinablec at lnonrecommendationk.org >>dbivalvea at hfishifyh.gov pantrotomyt at rgaravah.org >> >>wuncompassn at dgephyrocercald.int xphyllophagousu at muninurneds.mil >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Sep 27 19:23:49 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:23:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: JetDirect device In-Reply-To: <433993F1.2070103@gmail.com> References: <237925b2376cb0.2376cb0237925b@texas.rr.com> <43398968.4030000@gmail.com> <43398E4A.8010507@maltzen.net> <433993F1.2070103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43399C45.5060106@maltzen.net> In the meantime, have a look at this page from HP: http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=bpj02836#N10024 There should be a recessed button on it somewhere that, when pushed and held for say, 10 seconds, will reset it to its factory default settings. Then, according to the link above, it should try to get an address from your DHCP server. After you reset it, have a look in your /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases file to see if it tried to get one. If so, you should be able to telnet to that address and finish the configuration there. HTH. Petre Keith Olson wrote: > Thank you. > > Petrel Scheme wrote: > >> When you say 'jet direct device' do you mean one of the external Jet >> Direct devices? Grey, about the size of a video tape, has ports for >> ethernet, printer, perhaps USB? If so, I've got one, and I think I >> still have the box with manual and/or CD. If that's what you're >> after, I'll see about sending the info to you off-list. >> >> Petre >> >> Keith Olson wrote: >> >>> jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: >>> >>>> I am trying to make an HP laserjet 4 Plus run using a 4terminal as a >>>> jet >>>> direct device. I have discovered that lp-server is not installed. I >>>> have tried searching for it and can't find it. Can someone tell me >>>> where I might find this thing so I can get it installed. >>>> Thanks >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> >>> I'm afraid that I can't help you, but I was wondering if you are >>> using an actual 'HP JetDirect' device. I was recently given one, but >>> it doesn't have a manual and I don't have a clue how to use it. >>> Would you happen to have a .pdf (or whatever) that you could send >>> me? I don't even know if it works. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Sep 27 19:46:57 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:46:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: JetDirect device [was lp-server] Message-ID: <249d473249b44d.249b44d249d473@texas.rr.com> I'm running FC 4.4.0 Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Petre Scheie Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 1:07 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: JetDirect device [was lp-server] > I think what you're looking for is lp_server, not lp-server. > lp_server is found in > /opt/ltsp/i386/sbin/. On my k12ltsp 4.4.1 server, it is provided > by the > ltsp_i386-4.1.1-0.k12ltsp.0.4.2 package; on my 3.1.2 server, it's > provided by > ltsp_core-3.0.7-4.k12ltsp.3.3.0. What version are you running? > > Petre > > jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > Sorry about the dirth of detail. I'm talking about using a Linux > > etherboot terminal as a jetdirect device. > > Pat > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Keith Olson > > Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:48 pm > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: JetDirect device [was lp-server] > > > > > >>Thank you. > >> > >>Petrel Scheme wrote: > >> > >> > >>>When you say 'jet direct device' do you mean one of the external > >> > >>Jet > >> > >>>Direct devices? Grey, about the size of a video tape, has ports > >> > >>for > >> > >>>ethernet, printer, perhaps USB? If so, I've got one, and I > think > >> > >>I > >> > >>>still have the box with manual and/or CD. If that's what you're > >>>after, I'll see about sending the info to you off-list. > >>> > >>>Petre > >>> > >>>Keith Olson wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>I am trying to make an HP laserjet 4 Plus run using a > 4terminal > >> > >>as a > >> > >>>>>jet > >>>>>direct device. I have discovered that lp-server is not > >> > >>installed. I > >> > >>>>>have tried searching for it and can't find it. Can someone > >> > >>tell me > >> > >>>>>where I might find this thing so I can get it installed. > >>>>>Thanks > >>>>>Pat > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>I'm afraid that I can't help you, but I was wondering if you > are > >>>>using an actual 'HP JetDirect' device. I was recently given > >> > >>one, but > >> > >>>>it doesn't have a manual and I don't have a clue how to use it. > > >>>>Would you happen to have a .pdf (or whatever) that you could > >> > >>send > >> > >>>>me? I don't even know if it works. > >>>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see > >>> > >> > >>-- > >>Keith Olson > >>K-Soft Consulting > >> > >> > >>mpolyorchidismr at hanocarpousj.gov shambergitel at pquartzousm.net > > >> > >>rsmitinga at uepimerumi.edu > eoversystematicj at hprocliveg.mil > >> > >>fagoingo at cmacromeliak.edu > >>udivinablec at lnonrecommendationk.org > >>dbivalvea at hfishifyh.gov pantrotomyt at rgaravah.org > > >> > >>wuncompassn at dgephyrocercald.int > xphyllophagousu at muninurneds.mil > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 19:49:18 2005 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:49:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: JetDirect device In-Reply-To: <43399C45.5060106@maltzen.net> References: <237925b2376cb0.2376cb0237925b@texas.rr.com> <43398968.4030000@gmail.com> <43398E4A.8010507@maltzen.net> <433993F1.2070103@gmail.com> <43399C45.5060106@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4339A23E.8000406@gmail.com> Actually, I haven't even gotten my LTSP /hardware/ set up yet. I'm running XP Pro/SP2, and my router does the DHCP. I managed to find the JD, but not the power supply. IIARC, I tried holding down the 'test' button after hooking it up to my router and plugging in an old Fujitsu DL-1100 printer into 'Port 1 (config page)', but couldn't find it on the network. Keith Petrel Scheme wrote: > In the meantime, have a look at this page from HP: > > http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=bpj02836#N10024 > > > There should be a recessed button on it somewhere that, when pushed > and held for say, 10 seconds, will reset it to its factory default > settings. Then, according to the link above, it should try to get an > address from your DHCP server. After you reset it, have a look in > your /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases file to see if it tried to get one. > If so, you should be able to telnet to that address and finish the > configuration there. HTH. > > Petre > > Keith Olson wrote: > >> Thank you. >> >> Petrel Scheme wrote: >> >>> When you say 'jet direct device' do you mean one of the external Jet >>> Direct devices? Grey, about the size of a video tape, has ports for >>> ethernet, printer, perhaps USB? If so, I've got one, and I think I >>> still have the box with manual and/or CD. If that's what you're >>> after, I'll see about sending the info to you off-list. >>> >>> Petre >>> >>> Keith Olson wrote: >>> >>>> jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am trying to make an HP laserjet 4 Plus run using a 4terminal as >>>>> a jet >>>>> direct device. I have discovered that lp-server is not installed. I >>>>> have tried searching for it and can't find it. Can someone tell me >>>>> where I might find this thing so I can get it installed. >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Pat >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I'm afraid that I can't help you, but I was wondering if you are >>>> using an actual 'HP JetDirect' device. I was recently given one, >>>> but it doesn't have a manual and I don't have a clue how to use >>>> it. Would you happen to have a .pdf (or whatever) that you could >>>> send me? I don't even know if it works. >>> > -- Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting rskees at rlymphocytosist.mil adishwashingd at idisgustfullyo.edu nunjustifiedlyg at nspininessa.com hpublico at pdianthaceaeg.edu agorilloidw at xadessenariann.com msterlett at msternopericardiacq.edu northoveratraldehydek at junnobilityl.net scomplaisancew at oorientativei.mil ocorrigiblyz at fmollichopz.edu uwitchleafb at iuniequivalentd.org From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Sep 27 19:54:22 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:54:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: JetDirect device [was lp-server] Message-ID: <24a30cc24a023e.24a023e24a30cc@texas.rr.com> I have found the file in my server but it does not seem to be running. How do I go about getting it started and ensure that it is running? Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Petre Scheie Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 1:07 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: JetDirect device [was lp-server] > I think what you're looking for is lp_server, not lp-server. > lp_server is found in > /opt/ltsp/i386/sbin/. On my k12ltsp 4.4.1 server, it is provided > by the > ltsp_i386-4.1.1-0.k12ltsp.0.4.2 package; on my 3.1.2 server, it's > provided by > ltsp_core-3.0.7-4.k12ltsp.3.3.0. What version are you running? > > Petre > > jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > Sorry about the dirth of detail. I'm talking about using a Linux > > etherboot terminal as a jetdirect device. > > Pat > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Keith Olson > > Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:48 pm > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: JetDirect device [was lp-server] > > > > > >>Thank you. > >> > >>Petrel Scheme wrote: > >> > >> > >>>When you say 'jet direct device' do you mean one of the external > >> > >>Jet > >> > >>>Direct devices? Grey, about the size of a video tape, has ports > >> > >>for > >> > >>>ethernet, printer, perhaps USB? If so, I've got one, and I > think > >> > >>I > >> > >>>still have the box with manual and/or CD. If that's what you're > >>>after, I'll see about sending the info to you off-list. > >>> > >>>Petre > >>> > >>>Keith Olson wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>I am trying to make an HP laserjet 4 Plus run using a > 4terminal > >> > >>as a > >> > >>>>>jet > >>>>>direct device. I have discovered that lp-server is not > >> > >>installed. I > >> > >>>>>have tried searching for it and can't find it. Can someone > >> > >>tell me > >> > >>>>>where I might find this thing so I can get it installed. > >>>>>Thanks > >>>>>Pat > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>I'm afraid that I can't help you, but I was wondering if you > are > >>>>using an actual 'HP JetDirect' device. I was recently given > >> > >>one, but > >> > >>>>it doesn't have a manual and I don't have a clue how to use it. > > >>>>Would you happen to have a .pdf (or whatever) that you could > >> > >>send > >> > >>>>me? I don't even know if it works. > >>>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see > >>> > >> > >>-- > >>Keith Olson > >>K-Soft Consulting > >> > >> > >>mpolyorchidismr at hanocarpousj.gov shambergitel at pquartzousm.net > > >> > >>rsmitinga at uepimerumi.edu > eoversystematicj at hprocliveg.mil > >> > >>fagoingo at cmacromeliak.edu > >>udivinablec at lnonrecommendationk.org > >>dbivalvea at hfishifyh.gov pantrotomyt at rgaravah.org > > >> > >>wuncompassn at dgephyrocercald.int > xphyllophagousu at muninurneds.mil > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue Sep 27 20:40:43 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:40:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox Crashing Clients In-Reply-To: <4339914A.2020801@cox-internet.com> References: <4339914A.2020801@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: <5F47E9F5-D08A-4484-916E-62052D88C43E@mindfirestudios.com> Do you have NFS swap enabled?? On Sep 27, 2005, at 1:36 PM, Daniel Loomis wrote: > > We are having problems with Firefox crashing thin clients when > accessing certain flash pages. Some of our preschoolers are > accessing the cartoonnetwork.com site. When they access certain > pages, the client crashes and reboots! It does not happen on all > clients, but is consistent with certain clients. > > Most of our clients are New Internet Computers (ThinkNICs), and > some are generic pcs with 3c905tx-tm cards. The server is a dual > cpu athlon running K12LTSP-4.2.1. Clients are running IceWM with > Nautilus enabled. The problems were first reported after I updated > Firefox from 1.0.3 to 1.0.6, so, I removed 1.0.6 and reinstalled > 1.0.3, but the problem persists. The flash plugin is the one that > was installed when 4.2.1 was installed using the scripts Eric > provided on the root desktop. > > Is anyone else having problems with Firefox and Flash. > > Dan > > Outgoing mail scanned by Fortigate Anti-Virus > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From johnny at msad41.us Tue Sep 27 22:02:09 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:02:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP..Emergency Message-ID: <1127858529.4339c1619a571@www.msad41.us> Well I really did it this time...made changes in NIS and now can't log in as root to do anything...I can log in with my regular account but no joy on the 'root' login...anyone point me to a step by step fix for my predicament...I do have access to boot the machine by cd as it is in my office. This machine does my home exports to two other boxes also or I'd just dump it and finally do the upgrade that I've been wanting to do and import the users back from one of the other boxes, but I'd lose all the home dirs.... ...:-( John......... John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 22:49:10 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 04:19:10 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP..Emergency In-Reply-To: <1127858529.4339c1619a571@www.msad41.us> References: <1127858529.4339c1619a571@www.msad41.us> Message-ID: <774593a205092715491dde22ec@mail.gmail.com> On 9/28/05, John T. Leonard wrote: > Well I really did it this time...made changes in NIS and now can't log in as > root to do anything...I can log in with my regular account but no joy on the > 'root' login...anyone point me to a step by step fix for my predicament...I do > have access to boot the machine by cd as it is in my office. This machine does > my home exports to two other boxes also or I'd just dump it and finally do the > upgrade that I've been wanting to do and import the users back from one of the > other boxes, but I'd lose all the home dirs.... ...:-( John......... Did you setup yourself as sudo? If you did then "sudo su -" may be of sime use. [PONTIFICATION} That is why it is always recommended to sudo rather than root login. Alternately use the first disk and at installation prompt do "Linux rescue" This will log you in as root and give you chance to edit the conf file changes. Then reboot. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From wescott at sc.rr.com Tue Sep 27 23:16:52 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:16:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] reset-all-desktops In-Reply-To: <28028162.1127843205269.JavaMail.root@web10.mail.adelphia.net> References: <28028162.1127843205269.JavaMail.root@web10.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1127863012.2853.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 13:46 -0400, Will Hatch wrote: > I found this script while researching a way to reset my students desktops > everytime they log off and then log back on: Ouch! That removes any customization that they've done. Granted, most students won't care since most won't change defaults; but one of the positive aspects of the X11-based desktops is that they are configurable right down to things like "focus on enter" and "no auto raise on focus" behaviors. I pick on these because I find it so annoying that I can't get that behavior out of Windoze. From johnny at msad41.us Tue Sep 27 23:27:48 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:27:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP..Emergency In-Reply-To: <774593a205092715491dde22ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <1127858529.4339c1619a571@www.msad41.us> <774593a205092715491dde22ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1127863668.4339d574b5cdf@www.msad41.us> Quoting Sudev Barar : > On 9/28/05, John T. Leonard wrote: > > Well I really did it this time...made changes in NIS and now can't log in > as > > root to do anything...I can log in with my regular account but no joy on > the > > 'root' login...anyone point me to a step by step fix for my predicament...I > do > > have access to boot the machine by cd as it is in my office. This machine > does > > my home exports to two other boxes also or I'd just dump it and finally do > the > > upgrade that I've been wanting to do and import the users back from one of > the > > other boxes, but I'd lose all the home dirs.... ...:-( John......... > > Did you setup yourself as sudo? If you did then "sudo su -" may be of > sime use. [PONTIFICATION} That is why it is always recommended to sudo > rather than root login. > > Alternately use the first disk and at installation prompt do "Linux > rescue" This will log you in as root and give you chance to edit the > conf file changes. Then reboot. > > HTH > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > Hi...Ok..I ran authconfig from rescue mode and I'm back in.....my home dirs aren't exporting now but I can probably get to the bottom of that....thank you very much for the help Sudev...John From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Sep 27 23:36:02 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 05:06:02 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP..Emergency In-Reply-To: <1127863668.4339d574b5cdf@www.msad41.us> References: <1127858529.4339c1619a571@www.msad41.us> <774593a205092715491dde22ec@mail.gmail.com> <1127863668.4339d574b5cdf@www.msad41.us> Message-ID: <774593a205092716363fd6ea27@mail.gmail.com> On 9/28/05, John T. Leonard wrote: > Quoting Sudev Barar : > > On 9/28/05, John T. Leonard wrote: {SNIP] > Hi...Ok..I ran authconfig from rescue mode and I'm back in.....my home dirs > aren't exporting now but I can probably get to the bottom of that....thank you > very much for the help Sudev...John As root do a visudo and add the following at the bottom ofcourse substituting appropriate uname: {uname} ALL=(ALL) ALL Gives you another line of entry in such events. You can also add lines for specific root tasks for specific users - say allow some one to only shutdown etc. etc. man sudo. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Sep 27 23:34:06 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:34:06 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] HELP..Emergency Message-ID: <200509280145.j8S1jEc29302@downeast.net> Johnny: anything i can do to help..i can still use nx to get in..though i long agoforgot all pws...chuck > Quoting Sudev Barar : > > > On 9/28/05, John T. Leonard wrote: > > > Well I really did it this time...made changes in NIS and now can't log in > > as > > > root to do anything...I can log in with my regular account but no joy on > > the > > > 'root' login...anyone point me to a step by step fix for my predicament...I > > do > > > have access to boot the machine by cd as it is in my office. This machine > > does > > > my home exports to two other boxes also or I'd just dump it and finally do > > the > > > upgrade that I've been wanting to do and import the users back from one of > > the > > > other boxes, but I'd lose all the home dirs.... ...:-( John......... > > > > Did you setup yourself as sudo? If you did then "sudo su -" may be of > > sime use. [PONTIFICATION} That is why it is always recommended to sudo > > rather than root login. > > > > Alternately use the first disk and at installation prompt do "Linux > > rescue" This will log you in as root and give you chance to edit the > > conf file changes. Then reboot. > > > > HTH > > -- > > Sudev Barar > > Learning Linux > > > Hi...Ok..I ran authconfig from rescue mode and I'm back in.....my home dirs > aren't exporting now but I can probably get to the bottom of that....thank you > very much for the help Sudev...John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From wescott at sc.rr.com Wed Sep 28 00:00:17 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:00:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP..Emergency In-Reply-To: <1127858529.4339c1619a571@www.msad41.us> References: <1127858529.4339c1619a571@www.msad41.us> Message-ID: <1127865617.2853.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 18:02 -0400, John T. Leonard wrote: > Well I really did it this time...made changes in NIS and now can't log in as > root to do anything...I can log in with my regular account but no joy on the > 'root' login...anyone point me to a step by step fix for my predicament...I do > have access to boot the machine by cd as it is in my office. This machine does > my home exports to two other boxes also or I'd just dump it and finally do the > upgrade that I've been wanting to do and import the users back from one of the > other boxes, but I'd lose all the home dirs.... ...:-( John......... Boot the rescue CD or a Knoppix CD. Mount the root partition read-write and edit the broken files. My personal preference for NIS authentication is to exclude the "system" accounts (root, bin, etc.) leaving them on the local system. Do this by editting the nsswitch.conf to have it look locally before going to NIS: passwd: files nis group: files nis shadow: files nis Then put some or all of the system accounts into the passwd, shadow and group files. If you really want to have everything served via NIS at least put an emergency account on the machine with uid 0 that won't require NIS to login. Handy when there are network problems or to do off line maintenance. I usually use "toor" for that account, with /root as the home directory. From johnny at msad41.us Wed Sep 28 00:27:25 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:27:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP..Emergency In-Reply-To: <200509280145.j8S1jEc29302@downeast.net> References: <200509280145.j8S1jEc29302@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1127867245.4339e36dc017d@www.msad41.us> Quoting cliebow at downeast.net: > Johnny: anything i can do to help..i can still use nx to get in..though i > long agoforgot all pws...chuck > Hi Chuck....well, I'm back in and running...the home dirs are exporting but the two FC boxes give me the following on the 'services' 'nfs' tab readout..... Shutting down NFS mountd: rpc.mountd (pid 6446 6382 6318 6211 6136 6072 6002 5908 5843 3503) is running... nfsd (pid 3487 3486 3485 3484 3483 3482 3481 3480) is running... rpc.rquotad (pid 6439 6375 6311 6204 6129 6065 5995 5901 5836 3451) is running... The home dirs are exporting though. On the 4.2.1 EL box the reading is normal, i.e, there is no 'shutting down NFS mountd' line leadin into the rest of the log..do you think there is a subservice that I don't have on??? And a big thank you to all of you who responded so quickly...this list is absolutely GREAT! I'm instituting all of your suggestions in the morning.....J John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From veewee77 at alltel.net Wed Sep 28 01:36:40 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:36:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox Crashing Clients In-Reply-To: <4339914A.2020801@cox-internet.com> References: <4339914A.2020801@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: <4339F3A8.4000503@alltel.net> Do these clients have a MINIMUMof 32MB of RAM? 64 would be better, but I have found that anything less than 32MB will do just what is hapening to you. Doug Daniel Loomis wrote: > > We are having problems with Firefox crashing thin clients when > accessing certain flash pages. Some of our preschoolers are accessing > the cartoonnetwork.com site. When they access certain pages, the > client crashes and reboots! It does not happen on all clients, but is > consistent with certain clients. > > Most of our clients are New Internet Computers (ThinkNICs), and some > are generic pcs with 3c905tx-tm cards. The server is a dual cpu > athlon running K12LTSP-4.2.1. Clients are running IceWM with Nautilus > enabled. The problems were first reported after I updated Firefox > from 1.0.3 to 1.0.6, so, I removed 1.0.6 and reinstalled 1.0.3, but > the problem persists. The flash plugin is the one that was installed > when 4.2.1 was installed using the scripts Eric provided on the root > desktop. > > Is anyone else having problems with Firefox and Flash. > > Dan > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Outgoing mail scanned by Fortigate Anti-Virus > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at suwannee.k12.fl.us Wed Sep 28 01:45:13 2005 From: david at suwannee.k12.fl.us (David Dees) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 21:45:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] first try Message-ID: Well I guess I'm being shot down on our first LTSP lab. We ran into one problem that I can't seem to solve and the teacher likes to complain anyway. When students are on the web...when one student goes to a website and the next try they get a message that the connection was refused. If they wait then keep trying they can finally access the page. This is unacceptable do to the educational websites they are trying to use and the time it take to get each page. I not willing to give up. I'll find a teacher that has some tech savvy and work through the problems. David Dees IT Director Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david at suwannee.k12.fl.us From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Sep 28 02:05:55 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:05:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] first try In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1127873155.4045.76.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> At the risk of invoking the Arch Enemy, it's a way to test for nefariousness. Try multiple Web browser sessions from a Windows box and Internet Exploder. It may be that this particular site doesn't like anything but IE. If IE gives you the same issue, then I would suspect something going on that those particular Web sites (connection-quantity limiting or some such). On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 21:45 -0400, David Dees wrote: > Well I guess I'm being shot down on our first LTSP lab. We ran into one > problem that I can't seem to solve and the teacher likes to complain > anyway. > When students are on the web...when one student goes to a website and the > next try they get a message that the connection was refused. If they wait > then keep trying they can finally access the page. This is unacceptable > do to the educational websites they are trying to use and the time it take > to get each page. > I not willing to give up. I'll find a teacher that has some tech savvy > and work through the problems. > > David Dees > IT Director > Suwannee County Schools > 702 2nd Street NW > Live Oak, FL 32064 > (386) 364-2148 > david at suwannee.k12.fl.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Either on the server, or on the clients. > > can you send me the following 2 things: > > 1) your dhcpd.conf file. > > 2) all of the output from this command: > > ifconfig -a > > > Armed with that knowledge, i should be able to see if that's the > issue. > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dhcpd.conf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 3078 bytes Desc: not available URL: From david at suwannee.k12.fl.us Wed Sep 28 02:24:07 2005 From: david at suwannee.k12.fl.us (David Dees) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:24:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] first try In-Reply-To: <1127873155.4045.76.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <1127873155.4045.76.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: It's a site we use at all of our schools www.fcatexplorer.com it works fine on all machines except our LTSP lab. David Dees IT Director Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david at suwannee.k12.fl.us From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Sep 28 02:23:45 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:23:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] first try In-Reply-To: References: <1127873155.4045.76.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1127874225.4045.78.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Which browsers, which OS's, etc. have you tried? --TP On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 22:24 -0400, David Dees wrote: > It's a site we use at all of our schools www.fcatexplorer.com > it works fine on all machines except our LTSP lab. > > David Dees > IT Director > Suwannee County Schools > 702 2nd Street NW > Live Oak, FL 32064 > (386) 364-2148 > david at suwannee.k12.fl.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jam at mcquil.com Wed Sep 28 02:25:55 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] PANIC: Upcoming presentation looms In-Reply-To: <3f685603f6ced8.3f6ced83f68560@texas.rr.com> References: <3f685603f6ced8.3f6ced83f68560@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: Alan, Are you sure your workstations are listed in /etc/hosts ? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > [root at HodsonNET1 ~]# ifconfig -a > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:81:20:E7:8C > inet addr:192.168.0.254 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 > inet6 addr: fe80::2e0:81ff:fe20:e78c/64 Scope:Link > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:76 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:10579 (10.3 KiB) > > eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:81:20:E7:8D > inet addr:192.168.1.103 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 > inet6 addr: fe80::2e0:81ff:fe20:e78d/64 Scope:Link > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:634 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:692 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:579274 (565.6 KiB) TX bytes:136357 (133.1 KiB) > > eth2 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:05:1B:00:65:EE > BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) > > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 > RX packets:1902 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:1902 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > RX bytes:2115963 (2.0 MiB) TX bytes:2115963 (2.0 MiB) > > sit0 Link encap:IPv6-in-IPv4 > NOARP MTU:1480 Metric:1 > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim McQuillan > Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 7:09 am > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] PANIC: Upcoming presentation looms > > > Alan, > > > > This sounds like perhaps your broadcast address isn't setup for your > > network correctly. Either on the server, or on the clients. > > > > can you send me the following 2 things: > > > > 1) your dhcpd.conf file. > > > > 2) all of the output from this command: > > > > ifconfig -a > > > > > > Armed with that knowledge, i should be able to see if that's the > > issue. > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > From david at suwannee.k12.fl.us Wed Sep 28 02:33:48 2005 From: david at suwannee.k12.fl.us (David Dees) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:33:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] first try In-Reply-To: <1127874225.4045.78.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: < > <1127873155.4045.76.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> < > <1127874225.4045.78.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: All other workstations in the district are either Windows 2000 or XP with IE. I'll test a few of them with FireFox tomorrow. David Dees IT Director Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david at suwannee.k12.fl.us From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 03:03:27 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:33:27 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] first try In-Reply-To: References: <1127873155.4045.76.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <1127874225.4045.78.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <774593a20509272003756e963c@mail.gmail.com> On 9/28/05, David Dees wrote: > All other workstations in the district are either Windows 2000 or XP with > IE. I'll test a few of them with FireFox tomorrow. > Gave it a whirl....works fine on Ubuntu firefox laptop. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 03:11:39 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:41:39 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox Crashing Clients In-Reply-To: <4339F3A8.4000503@alltel.net> References: <4339914A.2020801@cox-internet.com> <4339F3A8.4000503@alltel.net> Message-ID: <774593a205092720115660a587@mail.gmail.com> On 9/28/05, Doug Simpson wrote: > Do these clients have a MINIMUMof 32MB of RAM? > > 64 would be better, but I have found that anything less than 32MB will do > just what is hapening to you. Or you can add NFS_SWAP in general section of lts.conf and allot 64m to each machine. Warning: First time you boot the machines after adding nfs-swap they will take timeto boot while swap space is created on the server. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From robark at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 03:33:13 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:33:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] first try In-Reply-To: References: <1127873155.4045.76.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <1127874225.4045.78.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On 9/27/05, David Dees wrote: > All other workstations in the district are either Windows 2000 or XP with > IE. I'll test a few of them with FireFox tomorrow. > I was also having a problem with firefox connecting to certain sites. Solved it easily by installing Opera. They just released Opera for free a few days ago. No more ad banners. Plus it can trick websites into thinking it's IE. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Sep 28 03:47:57 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:47:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] first try In-Reply-To: References: < > <1127873155.4045.76.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> < > <1127874225.4045.78.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <433A126D.2090704@stmarys-school.org> David Dees wrote: > All other workstations in the district are either Windows 2000 or XP with > IE. I'll test a few of them with FireFox tomorrow. > > David Dees > IT Director > Suwannee County Schools > 702 2nd Street NW > Live Oak, FL 32064 > (386) 364-2148 > david at suwannee.k12.fl.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Maybe user agent switcher might help. https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=59&application=firefox From ahodson at elp.rr.com Wed Sep 28 03:54:18 2005 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson at elp.rr.com) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:54:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] PANIC: Upcoming presentation looms Message-ID: <3f78a993f7ed23.3f7ed233f78a99@texas.rr.com> I may need to communicate with you via irq or phone. Can you please give me your info? Thanks alan -=o=- ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim McQuillan Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 8:25 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] PANIC: Upcoming presentation looms > Alan, > > Are you sure your workstations are listed in /etc/hosts ? > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > [root at HodsonNET1 ~]# ifconfig -a > > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:81:20:E7:8C > > inet addr:192.168.0.254 Bcast:192.168.0.255 > Mask:255.255.255.0> inet6 addr: > fe80::2e0:81ff:fe20:e78c/64 Scope:Link > > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > > TX packets:76 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:10579 (10.3 KiB) > > > > eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:81:20:E7:8D > > inet addr:192.168.1.103 Bcast:192.168.1.255 > Mask:255.255.255.0> inet6 addr: > fe80::2e0:81ff:fe20:e78d/64 Scope:Link > > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > > RX packets:634 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > > TX packets:692 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > > RX bytes:579274 (565.6 KiB) TX bytes:136357 (133.1 KiB) > > > > eth2 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:05:1B:00:65:EE > > BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) > > > > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > > inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host > > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 > > RX packets:1902 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > > TX packets:1902 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > > RX bytes:2115963 (2.0 MiB) TX bytes:2115963 (2.0 MiB) > > > > sit0 Link encap:IPv6-in-IPv4 > > NOARP MTU:1480 Metric:1 > > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jim McQuillan > > Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 7:09 am > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] PANIC: Upcoming presentation looms > > > > > Alan, > > > > > > This sounds like perhaps your broadcast address isn't setup for > your> > network correctly. Either on the server, or on the clients. > > > > > > can you send me the following 2 things: > > > > > > 1) your dhcpd.conf file. > > > > > > 2) all of the output from this command: > > > > > > ifconfig -a > > > > > > > > > Armed with that knowledge, i should be able to see if that's the > > > issue. > > > Jim McQuillan > > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Wed Sep 28 04:03:34 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] PANIC: Upcoming presentation looms In-Reply-To: <3f78a993f7ed23.3f7ed233f78a99@texas.rr.com> References: <3f78a993f7ed23.3f7ed233f78a99@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: Alan, IRC, The server is irc.freenode.net, and the channel is #ltsp My nick is 'jammcq', and i'm there now, if you want help. Jim. On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > I may need to communicate with you via irq or phone. Can you please give > me your info? > Thanks > alan > -=o=- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim McQuillan > Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 8:25 pm > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] PANIC: Upcoming presentation looms > > > Alan, > > > > Are you sure your workstations are listed in /etc/hosts ? > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > > > [root at HodsonNET1 ~]# ifconfig -a > > > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:81:20:E7:8C > > > inet addr:192.168.0.254 Bcast:192.168.0.255 > > Mask:255.255.255.0> inet6 addr: > > fe80::2e0:81ff:fe20:e78c/64 Scope:Link > > > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > > > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > > > TX packets:76 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > > > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > > > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:10579 (10.3 KiB) > > > > > > eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:81:20:E7:8D > > > inet addr:192.168.1.103 Bcast:192.168.1.255 > > Mask:255.255.255.0> inet6 addr: > > fe80::2e0:81ff:fe20:e78d/64 Scope:Link > > > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > > > RX packets:634 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > > > TX packets:692 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > > > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > > > RX bytes:579274 (565.6 KiB) TX bytes:136357 (133.1 KiB) > > > > > > eth2 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:05:1B:00:65:EE > > > BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > > > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > > > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > > > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > > > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) > > > > > > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > > > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > > > inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host > > > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 > > > RX packets:1902 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > > > TX packets:1902 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > > > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > > > RX bytes:2115963 (2.0 MiB) TX bytes:2115963 (2.0 MiB) > > > > > > sit0 Link encap:IPv6-in-IPv4 > > > NOARP MTU:1480 Metric:1 > > > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > > > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > > > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > > > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Jim McQuillan > > > Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 7:09 am > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] PANIC: Upcoming presentation looms > > > > > > > Alan, > > > > > > > > This sounds like perhaps your broadcast address isn't setup for > > your> > network correctly. Either on the server, or on the clients. > > > > > > > > can you send me the following 2 things: > > > > > > > > 1) your dhcpd.conf file. > > > > > > > > 2) all of the output from this command: > > > > > > > > ifconfig -a > > > > > > > > > > > > Armed with that knowledge, i should be able to see if that's the > > > > issue. > > > > Jim McQuillan > > > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 04:07:15 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 21:07:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How to setup NX server Message-ID: I downloaded and installed freenx-0.2.6-0.fdr.3.k12ltsp.0.4.2.noarch.rpm nx-1.4.0-0.fdr.3.k12ltsp.0.4.1.i386.rpm nx-ltsp-0.0.3-0.k12ltsp.0.4.2.noarch.rpm but I can't seem to connect with the client software. How do I start the nx server? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Sep 28 07:32:10 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:32:10 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Authconfig Settings In-Reply-To: <433991E2.5080709@honeygroveisd.net> References: <433991E2.5080709@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <433A46FA.2060206@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Mark Cockrell wrote: > Would someone using a machine set up by the Samba/LDAP script be willing > to share their authconfig settings with me? I think I've got myself a > bit messed up. > Quite simple host is 127.0.0.1 base, what ever you setup in slapd.conf. The rest is default. I can send you my /etc/ldap.conf file if you like, this is what authconfig alters or even some screenshots. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From nbs at sonic.net Wed Sep 28 07:44:11 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:44:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] first try In-Reply-To: References: <1127873155.4045.76.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20050928074411.GC3328@sonic.net> On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 10:24:07PM -0400, David Dees wrote: > It's a site we use at all of our schools www.fcatexplorer.com > it works fine on all machines except our LTSP lab. Could it perhaps be because all of the browsers are appearing to come from the same place (the LTSP server)? On a WinXP or Win2K box, try connecting from two separate browsers. (It's probably best to try two different brand browsers that you know work. i.e., Internet Explorer and Firefox, or Internet Explorer and Opera.) If you get a 'refused' on the 2nd browser, then that might be the issue. -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From boris.lenzinger at castify.net Wed Sep 28 08:43:43 2005 From: boris.lenzinger at castify.net (Boris Lenzinger) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:43:43 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] How to setup NX server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <433A57BF.4050309@castify.net> >From what I've understand, you don't have to start it. It is starting automatically when there is a ssh connection to nx user (in fact the shell of the nx client starts the nx server - see /etc/passwd and check the shell of nx - ). Change the log level of nx at /etc/node.conf to have more logs. I've installed it on fc4 with no problem. On fc3, I've tried it with a friend and we had to change some properties: ENABLE_PASSDB_AUTHENTICATION=1 ENABLE_SSH_AUTHENTICATION=1 ENABLE_SU_AUTHENTICATION=1 (from what I remember) else we could not connect. This should also help you: http://fedoranews.org/contributors/rick_stout/freenx Boris Robert Arkiletian wrote: >I downloaded and installed > >freenx-0.2.6-0.fdr.3.k12ltsp.0.4.2.noarch.rpm >nx-1.4.0-0.fdr.3.k12ltsp.0.4.1.i386.rpm >nx-ltsp-0.0.3-0.k12ltsp.0.4.2.noarch.rpm > >but I can't seem to connect with the client software. How do I start >the nx server? > >-- >Robert Arkiletian >C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From tlegge at rogers.com Wed Sep 28 09:23:05 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:23:05 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] How to setup NX server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <433A60F9.7070301@rogers.com> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I downloaded and installed > > freenx-0.2.6-0.fdr.3.k12ltsp.0.4.2.noarch.rpm > nx-1.4.0-0.fdr.3.k12ltsp.0.4.1.i386.rpm > nx-ltsp-0.0.3-0.k12ltsp.0.4.2.noarch.rpm > > but I can't seem to connect with the client software. How do I start > the nx server? I have not finished it but this should help you: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/FreeNX Tim From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 28 10:24:13 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 03:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] PANIC: Upcoming presentation looms In-Reply-To: <3e7c3193e7781d.3e7781d3e7c319@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <20050928102413.27578.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If all else fails, try replacing your switch. I went through weeks of troubleshooting config files only to find out that my switch wasn't "agreeing" with my server. The best test setup would be to use a crossover cable between the server and the thin client. -Rob --- ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > Folks > > After prevailing an argument that an Open > Source/K12LTSP server/thin > client presentation has educational value for > teachers, I am 4 short and > busy days away from the presentation in a > neighboring district, and > still getting (server) thin client errors on eth0. > Via "neat" I've set > eth0 as 192.168.0.254/255.255.255.0/192.168.0.0 (or > blank) and done the > usual yum update, ntsysv, /sbin.ifconfig/cat > /etc/hosts, showmount -e, > service nfs restart, df -h and I still keep getting > a huge pause with > "mounting root filesystem /opt/ltsp/i386 from > 192.168.0.254" followed by > "mount: nfsmount failed: bad file descriptor" and > "nfs: mount program > didn't pass remote address" and finally "mount: > mounting > 192.168.0.224:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /mnt failed: invalid > argument" - I am at > my wit's end... > > =============== shownount info: > [root at HodsonNET1 ~]# showmount -e > Export list for HodsonNET1: > /opt/ltsp/ppc > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > /opt/ltsp/i386 > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > /usr/share/fonts > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > /usr/share/AbiSuite/fonts > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > /usr/lib/openoffice/share/fonts > 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 > > =============== chkconfig info: > [root at HodsonNET1 ~]# chkconfig --list > NetworkManager 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:off 6:off > NetworkManagerDispatcher 0:off 1:off > 2:off 3:off 4:off > 5:off 6:off > acpid 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > anacron 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:off 6:off > apmd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:off 6:off > apt 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:off 6:off > atd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on > 5:off 6:off > auditd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > autofs 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > bluetooth 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:off 6:off > cpuspeed 0:off 1:on 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:off 6:off > crond 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:off 6:off > cups 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > cups-config-daemon 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on > 4:on 5:on > 6:off > dc_client 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:on 6:off > dc_server 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:on 6:off > dhcpd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > dhcrelay 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > diskdump 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > gpm 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > haldaemon 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > hpoj 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > httpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:on 6:off > iptables 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > irda 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > isdn 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > kudzu 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > lisa 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > lm_sensors 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > ltsp-swapfile-delete 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on > 4:on 5:on > 6:off > mDNSResponder 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > mdmonitor 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > mdmpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > messagebus 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > named 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > nat 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > netdump 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > netfs 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > netplugd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > network 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > nfs 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > nfslock 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > nifd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > nscd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > ntpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > pcmcia 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > portmap 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > psacct 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > rdisc 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > rhnsd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > rpcgssd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > rpcidmapd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > rwhod 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > saslauthd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > sendmail 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > smb 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:on 6:off > snmpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:on 6:off > snmptrapd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > spamassassin 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > squid 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > squidguard 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > sshd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > syslog 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > tomcat5 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > transparent-proxying 0:off 1:off 2:off > 3:off 4:off 5:off > 6:off > tux 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:on 6:off > verynice.init 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > vncserver 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > webmin 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on > 4:off 5:off 6:off > winbind 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > wine 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > xfs 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > xinetd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > ypbind 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > yum 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > > xinetd based services: > chargen: off > chargen-udp: off > cvs: off > daytime: off > daytime-udp: off > echo: off > echo-udp: off > eklogin: off > gssftp: off > klogin: off > krb5-telnet: off > kshell: off > ktalk: off > rsync: off > telnet: off > tftp: on > time: off > time-udp: off > uucp: off > vncts: on > vncts.ltsp: off > > What am I missing? Urgent help appreciated > Alan Hodson > El Paso, TX > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Sep 28 10:17:30 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:17:30 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] How to setup NX server Message-ID: <200509281228.j8SCSZT08850@downeast.net> Tim: should i incorporate the "Managing multiple server stuff in Experimental with your NX stuff..or it may be passe with the new nxclient..chuck > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > I downloaded and installed > > > > freenx-0.2.6-0.fdr.3.k12ltsp.0.4.2.noarch.rpm > > nx-1.4.0-0.fdr.3.k12ltsp.0.4.1.i386.rpm > > nx-ltsp-0.0.3-0.k12ltsp.0.4.2.noarch.rpm > > > > but I can't seem to connect with the client software. How do I start > > the nx server? > > I have not finished it but this should help you: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/FreeNX > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From veewee77 at alltel.net Wed Sep 28 11:59:25 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:59:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] PANIC: Upcoming presentation looms In-Reply-To: <20050928102413.27578.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050928102413.27578.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <433A859D.7080004@alltel.net> If all else fails, just re-install the server. It should work right out of the box. For the demo server, disable SELinux and answer no to the firewall thing. That way they won't fuss and you'll be stress free. . . Doug Rob Owens wrote: >If all else fails, try replacing your switch. I went >through weeks of troubleshooting config files only to >find out that my switch wasn't "agreeing" with my >server. The best test setup would be to use a >crossover cable between the server and the thin >client. > >-Rob > >--- ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > >>Folks >> >>After prevailing an argument that an Open >>Source/K12LTSP server/thin >>client presentation has educational value for >>teachers, I am 4 short and >>busy days away from the presentation in a >>neighboring district, and >>still getting (server) thin client errors on eth0. >>Via "neat" I've set >>eth0 as 192.168.0.254/255.255.255.0/192.168.0.0 (or >>blank) and done the >>usual yum update, ntsysv, /sbin.ifconfig/cat >>/etc/hosts, showmount -e, >>service nfs restart, df -h and I still keep getting >>a huge pause with >>"mounting root filesystem /opt/ltsp/i386 from >>192.168.0.254" followed by >>"mount: nfsmount failed: bad file descriptor" and >>"nfs: mount program >>didn't pass remote address" and finally "mount: >>mounting >>192.168.0.224:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /mnt failed: invalid >>argument" - I am at >>my wit's end... >> >>=============== shownount info: >>[root at HodsonNET1 ~]# showmount -e >>Export list for HodsonNET1: >>/opt/ltsp/ppc >>192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 >>/opt/ltsp/i386 >>192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 >>/usr/share/fonts >>192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 >>/var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles >>192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 >>/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts >>192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 >>/usr/share/AbiSuite/fonts >>192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 >>/usr/lib/openoffice/share/fonts >>192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 >> >>=============== chkconfig info: >>[root at HodsonNET1 ~]# chkconfig --list >>NetworkManager 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:off 6:off >>NetworkManagerDispatcher 0:off 1:off >>2:off 3:off 4:off >>5:off 6:off >>acpid 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>anacron 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:off 6:off >>apmd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:off 6:off >>apt 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:off 6:off >>atd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on >> 5:off 6:off >>auditd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>autofs 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>bluetooth 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:off 6:off >>cpuspeed 0:off 1:on 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:off 6:off >>crond 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:off 6:off >>cups 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>cups-config-daemon 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on >> 4:on 5:on >>6:off >>dc_client 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:on 6:off >>dc_server 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:on 6:off >>dhcpd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>dhcrelay 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:off 6:off >>diskdump 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:off 6:off >>gpm 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>haldaemon 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>hpoj 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>httpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:on 6:off >>iptables 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>irda 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:off 6:off >>isdn 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>kudzu 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>lisa 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:off 6:off >>lm_sensors 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>ltsp-swapfile-delete 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on >> 4:on 5:on >>6:off >>mDNSResponder 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>mdmonitor 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>mdmpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:off 6:off >>messagebus 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>named 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>nat 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>netdump 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:off 6:off >>netfs 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>netplugd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:off 6:off >>network 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>nfs 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>nfslock 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>nifd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>nscd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:off 6:off >>ntpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:off 6:off >>pcmcia 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>portmap 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>psacct 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:off 6:off >>rdisc 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:off 6:off >>rhnsd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>rpcgssd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>rpcidmapd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>rwhod 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:off 6:off >>saslauthd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:off 6:off >>sendmail 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:off 6:off >>smb 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:on 6:off >>snmpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:on 6:off >>snmptrapd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:off 6:off >>spamassassin 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:off 6:off >>squid 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:off 6:off >>squidguard 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:off 6:off >>sshd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>syslog 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>tomcat5 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:off 6:off >>transparent-proxying 0:off 1:off 2:off >>3:off 4:off 5:off >>6:off >>tux 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:on 6:off >>verynice.init 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>vncserver 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>webmin 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on >>4:off 5:off 6:off >>winbind 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:off 6:off >>wine 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>xfs 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>xinetd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on >> 5:on 6:off >>ypbind 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:off 6:off >>yum 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off >>4:off 5:off 6:off >> >>xinetd based services: >> chargen: off >> chargen-udp: off >> cvs: off >> daytime: off >> daytime-udp: off >> echo: off >> echo-udp: off >> eklogin: off >> gssftp: off >> klogin: off >> krb5-telnet: off >> kshell: off >> ktalk: off >> rsync: off >> telnet: off >> tftp: on >> time: off >> time-udp: off >> uucp: off >> vncts: on >> vncts.ltsp: off >> >>What am I missing? Urgent help appreciated >>Alan Hodson >>El Paso, TX >>-=o=- >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Sep 28 12:03:16 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:03:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] first try In-Reply-To: <20050928074411.GC3328@sonic.net> References: <1127873155.4045.76.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <20050928074411.GC3328@sonic.net> Message-ID: <1127908996.4045.81.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 00:44 -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 10:24:07PM -0400, David Dees wrote: > > It's a site we use at all of our schools www.fcatexplorer.com > > it works fine on all machines except our LTSP lab. > > Could it perhaps be because all of the browsers are appearing to come from > the same place (the LTSP server)? > > On a WinXP or Win2K box, try connecting from two separate browsers. > (It's probably best to try two different brand browsers that you know work. > i.e., Internet Explorer and Firefox, or Internet Explorer and Opera.) > > If you get a 'refused' on the 2nd browser, then that might be the issue. I would also try connecting from multiple instances of the same browser on a Windows machine. I'd do this with IE and Firefox. --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Sep 28 12:07:26 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:07:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] first try In-Reply-To: References: <1127873155.4045.76.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <1127874225.4045.78.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1127909246.4045.87.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 20:33 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 9/27/05, David Dees wrote: > > All other workstations in the district are either Windows 2000 or XP with > > IE. I'll test a few of them with FireFox tomorrow. > > > > I was also having a problem with firefox connecting to certain sites. > Solved it easily by installing Opera. They just released Opera for > free a few days ago. No more ad banners. Plus it can trick websites > into thinking it's IE. > Konqueror can do the same thing (browser identification spoofing), so it would be worth trying that out on the LTSP server. I've had trouble with certain bank sites with Firefox and Konqueror, since these sites had specific checks for IE and wouldn't work right unless they thought they were seeing IE. I tried telling Konqueror to impersonate IE to these sites, and bingo, things worked. Damned Microsoft dev tools and the developers who blindly use them without thinking.... --TP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlegge at rogers.com Wed Sep 28 12:08:02 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How to setup NX server In-Reply-To: <200509281228.j8SCSZT08850@downeast.net> Message-ID: <20050928120802.7194.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi If I knew what you meant by "Managing multiple server stuff in Experimental" I might be able to answer but do what you think makes sense. Tim --- cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > Tim: should i incorporate the "Managing multiple > server stuff in > Experimental with your NX stuff..or it may be passe > with the new > nxclient..chuck > > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > I downloaded and installed > > > > > > freenx-0.2.6-0.fdr.3.k12ltsp.0.4.2.noarch.rpm > > > nx-1.4.0-0.fdr.3.k12ltsp.0.4.1.i386.rpm > > > nx-ltsp-0.0.3-0.k12ltsp.0.4.2.noarch.rpm > > > > > > but I can't seem to connect with the client > software. How do I start > > > the nx server? > > > > I have not finished it but this should help you: > > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/FreeNX > > > > Tim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Sep 28 12:18:31 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 07:18:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] first try In-Reply-To: <1127874225.4045.78.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> References: <1127873155.4045.76.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <1127874225.4045.78.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: I remember this exact site being discussed earlier in the archives, and someone DID talk to the state and apparently it DID have to do with limiting the number of new connections from the same IP. Basically, it only accepts so many connections from an IP per minute. I'm pretty sure that this came up earlier. This is basically a design flaw for anyone that sits behind a NAT router. On Sep 27, 2005, at 9:23 PM, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Which browsers, which OS's, etc. have you tried? > > --TP > > On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 22:24 -0400, David Dees wrote: >> It's a site we use at all of our schools www.fcatexplorer.com it >> works fine on all machines except our LTSP lab From johnny at msad41.us Wed Sep 28 12:19:58 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:19:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] yum issue on 4.2.1 EL server Message-ID: <1127909998.433a8a6e8c215@www.msad41.us> Hi...can someone help with this...I'm getting this output when I try an install of AbiWord on a 4.2.1EL box....it worked fine on my FC3 machine earlier this a.m....TIA, John [root at CentOS4 ~]# yum install abiword Setting up Install Process Setting up Repos k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 update 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 addons 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 669 kB 00:00 http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum Trying other mirror. Error: failure: repodata/primary.xml.gz from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. [root at CentOS4 ~]# yum update Setting up Update Process Setting up Repos k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 update 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 addons 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 669 kB 00:00 http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum Trying other mirror. Error: failure: repodata/primary.xml.gz from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. [root at CentOS4 ~]# John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From ahodson at elp.rr.com Wed Sep 28 12:48:22 2005 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson at elp.rr.com) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:48:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [K12OSN] (NO) Trouble is River City... Message-ID: <3f91d613f90880.3f908803f91d61@texas.rr.com> Folks The issues I was having with DHCP not running appear to stem from the eth0 IP I was using: 192.168.(0).254 - for some reason it was not working. A fresh install and using 192.168.1.254 for eth0 has done the trick - the Thin Clients work! Thanks to those that offered help. Alan Hodson El Paso TX -=o=- From fhkms at adelphia.net Wed Sep 28 11:43:16 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 07:43:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] reset-all-desktops In-Reply-To: <1127863012.2853.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <28028162.1127843205269.JavaMail.root@web10.mail.adelphia.net> <1127863012.2853.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1127907796.22629.9.camel@ws231.ltsp> I should clarify myself here. I was researching on the web, about how to set my k12ltsp network up so that students either cannot change the default desktop, or so that each time they log off, the desktop is reset. I found a web page that said something about this script that Eric wrote. I located it with my text editor. Now, how do I actually use it so it will reset-all, every time a student logs off? On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 19:16 -0400, Michael C Wescott wrote: > On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 13:46 -0400, Will Hatch wrote: > > I found this script while researching a way to reset my students desktops > > everytime they log off and then log back on: > > Ouch! That removes any customization that they've done. Granted, most > students won't care since most won't change defaults; but one of the > positive aspects of the X11-based desktops is that they are configurable > right down to things like "focus on enter" and "no auto raise on focus" > behaviors. I pick on these because I find it so annoying that I can't > get that behavior out of Windoze. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Sep 28 13:08:40 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 07:08:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] lp_server not running Message-ID: <23c7f4923c98f1.23c98f123c7f49@texas.rr.com> I am running FC-4.4.0 k12ltsp. lp_server is not running so I can't get a terminal to act like a jetdirect device for an HP parallel port printer. How do I get lp_server to run? From staffords at glenburn.net Wed Sep 28 13:11:40 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:11:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2.1 and Attaching Files in First Class In-Reply-To: <3f91d613f90880.3f908803f91d61@texas.rr.com> References: <3f91d613f90880.3f908803f91d61@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: Anyone using First Class under 4.2.1 This new version won't allow us to attach files to mail messages. Says invalid file. It worked under 4.0. I tried both clicking on the icon for attachment and going under the pull down menu File, add attachment. thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From jam at mcquil.com Wed Sep 28 13:12:31 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] lp_server not running In-Reply-To: <23c7f4923c98f1.23c98f123c7f49@texas.rr.com> References: <23c7f4923c98f1.23c98f123c7f49@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: jconlon1, lp_server runs on the client, NOT on the server. To get it running on the client, you just need to add some entries to your lts.conf file, to define your local printer. Take a look at this wiki article: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Printers Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > I am running FC-4.4.0 k12ltsp. > lp_server is not running so I can't get a terminal to act like a > jetdirect device for an HP parallel port printer. > > How do I get lp_server to run? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Wed Sep 28 13:22:56 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:22:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] first try In-Reply-To: References: <1127873155.4045.76.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <1127874225.4045.78.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <433A9930.2000308@maltzen.net> I would think most sites would be negatively affected by this, since I would guess most schools are doing NAT at their router/firewall, no? A school may have 100 machines, but they all appear to come from the same public address as far as www.fcatexplorer.com is concerned. Burke Almquist wrote: > I remember this exact site being discussed earlier in the archives, and > someone DID talk to the state and apparently it DID have to do with > limiting the number of new connections from the same IP. Basically, it > only accepts so many connections from an IP per minute. I'm pretty sure > that this came up earlier. This is basically a design flaw for anyone > that sits behind a NAT router. > > > On Sep 27, 2005, at 9:23 PM, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > >> Which browsers, which OS's, etc. have you tried? >> >> --TP >> >> On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 22:24 -0400, David Dees wrote: >> >>> It's a site we use at all of our schools www.fcatexplorer.com it >>> works fine on all machines except our LTSP lab > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From staffords at glenburn.net Wed Sep 28 13:25:08 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:25:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2.1 and Attaching Files in First Class In-Reply-To: References: <3f91d613f90880.3f908803f91d61@texas.rr.com> <,> Message-ID: thanks to Jeff Wheeler for answer to this question. Works fine "We drag and drop attachments to the grey area surrounding the subject and addressing fields in order to attach documents in the Linux client. Works great. The menu attachment command does not appear to work yet." Jeff Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From petre at maltzen.net Wed Sep 28 13:28:39 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:28:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] lp_server not running In-Reply-To: References: <23c7f4923c98f1.23c98f123c7f49@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <433A9A87.1000306@maltzen.net> Is there a way to see what processes a client is running after it's all booted up? Opening a terminal and running 'ps -ef' will tell you what's happening on the server. But I was looking for a way for Pat to verify that lp_server is indeed running on the client. Jim McQuillan wrote: > jconlon1, > > lp_server runs on the client, NOT on the server. > > To get it running on the client, you just need to add some entries to > your lts.conf file, to define your local printer. > > Take a look at this wiki article: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Printers > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > >>I am running FC-4.4.0 k12ltsp. >>lp_server is not running so I can't get a terminal to act like a >>jetdirect device for an HP parallel port printer. >> >>How do I get lp_server to run? >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From andy at spitcomp.com Wed Sep 28 13:42:39 2005 From: andy at spitcomp.com (Andrew Fisk) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:42:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox Crashing Clients In-Reply-To: References: <4339914A.2020801@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: Not sure this is very helpful, but maybe you are looking in the wrong place Cartoonnetwork.com on ie6/windows XP seems to kill off the wireless link to my son's computer. The machine is provided by PA Cyber and has a content filter -- I am wondering if something on the site that triggers some kind of block, as long as he steers clear of that site everything is fine. Trying to decide if I should block the entire site at the router or white-list it in the content filter. Thanks Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Sep 27, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Steve Hargadon wrote: > On 9/27/05, Daniel Loomis wrote: > >> >> We are having problems with Firefox crashing thin clients when >> accessing >> certain flash pages. Some of our preschoolers are accessing the >> cartoonnetwork.com site. When they access certain pages, the client >> crashes and reboots! It does not happen on all clients, but is >> consistent with certain clients. >> > > Yes, we've had the same thing. We are working on it right now. We > fixed one account by transfering over the plugin directory of an > account that was working... When we know more, we'll post. > > Steve > > > > -- > Steve Hargadon > 916-899-1400 direct > www.technologyrescue.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us Wed Sep 28 13:50:54 2005 From: JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us (Jeffrey Myers) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:50:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Restart all clients Message-ID: <1249B1B01D2A444490F78C240418EA54739BCC@dcedcf05.dccentral> Is there a command to restart all LTSP clients.? Thanks JefF -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Wed Sep 28 14:33:33 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:33:33 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] reset-all-desktops In-Reply-To: <1127907796.22629.9.camel@ws231.ltsp> References: <28028162.1127843205269.JavaMail.root@web10.mail.adelphia.net> <1127863012.2853.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1127907796.22629.9.camel@ws231.ltsp> Message-ID: <200509281533.33183.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Wednesday 28 September 2005 12:43, Will Hatch wrote: > I should clarify myself here. I was researching on the web, about how > to set my k12ltsp network up so that students either cannot change the > default desktop, or so that each time they log off, the desktop is > reset. I found a web page that said something about this script that > Eric wrote. I located it with my text editor. Now, how do I actually > use it so it will reset-all, every time a student logs off? One way is to do what we do and that is to run any setup scripts at login rather than logoff. We do this by modifying /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession Add near the top : # do any hgs initial setup for non system accounts if (( $UID > 499)) ; then /usr/local/bin/hgssetup fi Of course, the proper way to lockdown the desktop is to change the configuration files so that users cannot change wallpaper etc. If you are using kde, as a starting point have a look at www.openhgs.org/it.cgi/Lisa and seek out the sections on locking down the desktop, kicker and konqueror. There are some references to other websites which tell you how to it. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Sep 28 15:24:11 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:24:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.2.1 and Attaching Files in First Class In-Reply-To: References: <3f91d613f90880.3f908803f91d61@texas.rr.com> <,> Message-ID: works fine for me in 4.4.....what version of FC are you using? I had the latest Mandrake (Mandriva) beta as of late August. Works quite well. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Sep 28 15:36:02 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:36:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] yum issue on 4.2.1 EL server In-Reply-To: <1127909998.433a8a6e8c215@www.msad41.us> References: <1127909998.433a8a6e8c215@www.msad41.us> Message-ID: <433AB862.1060603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Whenever yum gives you fits, try "cleaning" it: yum clean all Once that is complete, retry the "yum install abiword". -Eric John T. Leonard wrote: > Hi...can someone help with this...I'm getting this output when I try an install > of AbiWord on a 4.2.1EL box....it worked fine on my FC3 machine earlier this > a.m....TIA, John > > [root at CentOS4 ~]# yum install abiword > Setting up Install Process > Setting up Repos > k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > update 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > addons 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > Reading repository metadata in from local files > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 669 kB 00:00 > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno > -1] Metadata file does not match checksum > Trying other mirror. > Error: failure: repodata/primary.xml.gz from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more > mirrors to try. > [root at CentOS4 ~]# yum update > Setting up Update Process > Setting up Repos > k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > update 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > addons 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > Reading repository metadata in from local files > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 669 kB 00:00 > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno > -1] Metadata file does not match checksum > Trying other mirror. > Error: failure: repodata/primary.xml.gz from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more > mirrors to try. > [root at CentOS4 ~]# > > > John T. Leonard > Technology Coordinator > MSAD No. 41 > Penquis Valley HS/MS > 48 Penquis Drive > Milo, Maine 04463 > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > Ph:207-943-5332 > Fax:207-943-0962 > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is basically a design > flaw for anyone that sits behind a NAT router. > Yeah but don't forget if your lab/school is behind a caching proxy then it SHOULD only send out the first request and fill the subsequent ones from the cache. However, if it's a secure login, then the proxy won't help much. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From johnny at msad41.us Wed Sep 28 16:15:40 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:15:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] yum issue on 4.2.1 EL server In-Reply-To: <433AB862.1060603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1127909998.433a8a6e8c215@www.msad41.us> <433AB862.1060603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1127924140.433ac1ac95bfb@www.msad41.us> Quoting Eric Harrison : > > Whenever yum gives you fits, try "cleaning" it: > > yum clean all > > Once that is complete, retry the "yum install abiword". > > -Eric > > John T. Leonard wrote: > > Hi...can someone help with this...I'm getting this output when I try an > install > > of AbiWord on a 4.2.1EL box....it worked fine on my FC3 machine earlier > this > > a.m....TIA, John > > > > [root at CentOS4 ~]# yum install abiword > > Setting up Install Process > > Setting up Repos > > k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB > 00:00 > > update 100% |=========================| 951 B > 00:00 > > webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B > 00:00 > > base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB > 00:00 > > addons 100% |=========================| 951 B > 00:00 > > extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB > 00:00 > > Reading repository metadata in from local files > > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 669 kB > 00:00 > > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/repodata/primary.xml.gz: > [Errno > > -1] Metadata file does not match checksum > > Trying other mirror. > > Error: failure: repodata/primary.xml.gz from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more > > mirrors to try. > > [root at CentOS4 ~]# yum update > > Setting up Update Process > > Setting up Repos > > k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB > 00:00 > > update 100% |=========================| 951 B > 00:00 > > webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B > 00:00 > > base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB > 00:00 > > addons 100% |=========================| 951 B > 00:00 > > extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB > 00:00 > > Reading repository metadata in from local files > > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 669 kB > 00:00 > > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/repodata/primary.xml.gz: > [Errno > > -1] Metadata file does not match checksum > > Trying other mirror. > > Error: failure: repodata/primary.xml.gz from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more > > mirrors to try. > > [root at CentOS4 ~]# > > That took care of that issue Eric, thank you....but now I get.... Parsing package install arguments no match for argument: abiword I did a list and didn't see it but I have a Star Office 8 on it so it's not a big deal for now... Then on an attempted Firefox update it downloaded the 16m and gave me an [Errno -1] Header is not complete' error message..can you help with that?..sorry if I'm being dense here and thank your help and patience...J John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From david at suwannee.k12.fl.us Wed Sep 28 17:53:08 2005 From: david at suwannee.k12.fl.us (David Dees) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:53:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] first try In-Reply-To: References: < > <1127873155.4045.76.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> < > < > <1127874225.4045.78.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> < > Message-ID: Tech support at fcatexplorer said that it will not work behind a server that caches dynamic sites. Does LTSP do this...if so how do I turn it off? David Dees IT Director Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david at suwannee.k12.fl.us From shahms at shahms.com Wed Sep 28 18:09:08 2005 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:09:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] yum issue on 4.2.1 EL server In-Reply-To: <433AB862.1060603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1127909998.433a8a6e8c215@www.msad41.us> <433AB862.1060603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <433ADC44.8050206@shahms.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 | http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/repodata/primary.xml.gz: | [Errno | -1] Metadata file does not match checksum | Trying other mirror. | Error: failure: repodata/primary.xml.gz from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more | mirrors to try. | [root at CentOS4 ~]# It clearly wasn't in this case, but this error will occasionally happen when the repository is being updated. If this is the case, waiting a short while and trying again can resolve the problem. - -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDOtxD/qs2NkWy11sRAhD5AKCKNGAFizmMmgNBOEH/tY5uPCqA0ACfcU0Q 99eZw6TCk2aPiDieWyIZ9T4= =qnsv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Sep 28 18:14:50 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:14:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] lp_server not running Message-ID: <23e346923e178f.23e178f23e3469@texas.rr.com> I have done the things the wiki says to do in setting this up in both the lts.conf and assigned a fixed IP in the dhcpd.conf files. I did find that the order in which the enteries are made in the lts.conf file is important. I switched those lines around an at the bash prompt on the terminal I typed ps -elf and the list of files did not have lp_server in it. I typed lp_server and got the following error message: parport 0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP(,...)] lp_server pid [233] open of /dev/lp failed - no such file or directory What do I need to do to fix this? Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Petre Scheie Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 7:28 am Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running > Is there a way to see what processes a client is running after it's > all booted up? > Opening a terminal and running 'ps -ef' will tell you what's > happening on the server. > But I was looking for a way for Pat to verify that lp_server is > indeed running on the > client. > > Jim McQuillan wrote: > > jconlon1, > > > > lp_server runs on the client, NOT on the server. > > > > To get it running on the client, you just need to add some > entries to > > your lts.conf file, to define your local printer. > > > > Take a look at this wiki article: > > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Printers > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > > > >>I am running FC-4.4.0 k12ltsp. > >>lp_server is not running so I can't get a terminal to act like a > >>jetdirect device for an HP parallel port printer. > >> > >>How do I get lp_server to run? > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From scott at hosef.org Wed Sep 28 18:28:16 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:28:16 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 Message-ID: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> We have discovered something at a few of our Hawaii labs that is making me question the use of 4.4.1. We now have two separate schools that need about 8 Minutes for 30 clients to open Open Office. When it first happened, I was just hoping that it was an anomaly, but it now seems to be a problem. My theory is that Open Office 2 does not share the same memory footprint as OO 1.x. Both labs ran great with K12LTSP 4.2.1 and opened Open Office in seconds. Has anyone else experienced this, and does anyone have suggestions for a solution other than bagging 4.4.1 for now? Aloha --scott From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Sep 28 18:35:22 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:35:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> Message-ID: <6EF15C30-1B8F-4E31-9C73-69E225F7DDAD@inlandlakes.org> On Sep 28, 2005, at 2:28 PM, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Has anyone else experienced this, and does anyone have suggestions > for a solution other than bagging 4.4.1 for now? I would check that the /etc/hosts file is populated with info for all your clients. A hang that long sounds like a DNS issue to me. Is the CPU spiked during that 8 minutes? Is the memory maxed out? Does the second instance pop right up, or each start takes that long? -Shawn, who would love to be in Hawaii ;o) From robark at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 18:48:36 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:48:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] first try In-Reply-To: References: <1127873155.4045.76.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> <1127874225.4045.78.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On 9/28/05, David Dees wrote: > Tech support at fcatexplorer said that it will not work behind a server > that caches dynamic sites. > Does LTSP do this...if so how do I turn it off? K12LTSP does not run squid (caching proxy) by default. You have to set it up. But your school may have a proxy setup as a gateway to reduce traffic. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From scott at hosef.org Wed Sep 28 18:56:18 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:56:18 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <6EF15C30-1B8F-4E31-9C73-69E225F7DDAD@inlandlakes.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <6EF15C30-1B8F-4E31-9C73-69E225F7DDAD@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <433AE752.6030204@hosef.org> Shawn Powers wrote: > > I would check that the /etc/hosts file is populated with info for all > your clients. A hang that long sounds like a DNS issue to me. Thanks, Shawn. The issue is isolated to Open Office. All other apps open as rapidly as expected. > > Is the CPU spiked during that 8 minutes? Is the memory maxed out? > Does the second instance pop right up, or each start takes that long? It takes 8 minutes, total, for a class of 30 to launch Open Office. So, class goes like this, 'Welcome class, please lauch OO, and let's then take a 10 minute break.' > > -Shawn, who would love to be in Hawaii ;o) Come on out here in January and join us for TPOSSCON http://www.tposscon.com http://www.hosef.org/tposscon2006/TPOSSCON_2006.pdf --scott From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Sep 28 18:56:35 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:56:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] first try Message-ID: <20050928115635.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.cba0aea8b6.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> No, this was addressed this last month when this problem was first brought up. If there was another proxy/web cache running on the network it would be affecting all clients, including XP. If it is a proxy/web cache problem, it must be running on the LTSP server to only affect the thin clients. Perhaps re-verify that Squid isn't running on your server. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] first try > From: Robert Arkiletian > Date: Wed, September 28, 2005 1:48 pm > To: David Dees > Cc: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > On 9/28/05, David Dees wrote: > > Tech support at fcatexplorer said that it will not work behind a server > > that caches dynamic sites. > > Does LTSP do this...if so how do I turn it off? > > K12LTSP does not run squid (caching proxy) by default. You have to set > it up. But your school may have a proxy setup as a gateway to reduce > traffic. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From scott at hosef.org Wed Sep 28 19:00:50 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:00:50 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] PANIC: Upcoming presentation looms In-Reply-To: <20050928102413.27578.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050928102413.27578.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <433AE862.7050400@hosef.org> Rob Owens wrote: > If all else fails, try replacing your switch. I went > through weeks of troubleshooting config files only to > find out that my switch wasn't "agreeing" with my > server. The best test setup would be to use a > crossover cable between the server and the thin > client. I have been following this issue with the intensity of someone sitting on $600 in 'bad' switches. I have tried the fixes here http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS to no avail. It does seem that there are some switches on the market that Munge the whole NFS packet negotiation. I am clueless as to what else it is, and I will give one of my 6 useless TrendNet switches to the person who solves the issue. You have to come to Hawaii to get it, though. > > -Rob --scott From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Sep 28 19:05:58 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:05:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <433AE752.6030204@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <6EF15C30-1B8F-4E31-9C73-69E225F7DDAD@inlandlakes.org> <433AE752.6030204@hosef.org> Message-ID: <4C42E559-6FC3-465D-9709-8AFF7C4D25BE@inlandlakes.org> On Sep 28, 2005, at 2:56 PM, R. Scott Belford wrote: >> I would check that the /etc/hosts file is populated with info for >> all your clients. A hang that long sounds like a DNS issue to me. >> > > Thanks, Shawn. The issue is isolated to Open Office. All other > apps open as rapidly as expected. I vaguely remember a problem with openoffice that I had a few years back (it was of course 1.x) that it took a month of Sundays (well, maybe 8 minutes) to load OO. All other apps worked fine too -- but OO took forever to load. I'm pretty sure it was DNS related, but I don't promise. Check those cpu/memory things. Also check to see if the hard drive is thrashing while it's loading. I know that OO2.x on 4.4.1 loads lightning fast on mulitple clients in my test lab, so hopefully it's just a misconfiguration somewhere. -Shawn From robark at gmail.com Wed Sep 28 19:07:03 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:07:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <433AE752.6030204@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <6EF15C30-1B8F-4E31-9C73-69E225F7DDAD@inlandlakes.org> <433AE752.6030204@hosef.org> Message-ID: On 9/28/05, R. Scott Belford wrote: > It takes 8 minutes, total, for a class of 30 to launch Open Office. So, > class goes like this, 'Welcome class, please lauch OO, and let's then > take a 10 minute break.' when the kids launch Oo open a shell and run "top" to see cpu and mem usage. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From les at futuresource.com Wed Sep 28 19:16:51 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:16:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <433AE752.6030204@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <6EF15C30-1B8F-4E31-9C73-69E225F7DDAD@inlandlakes.org> <433AE752.6030204@hosef.org> Message-ID: <1127935011.2647.96.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 13:56, R. Scott Belford wrote: > It takes 8 minutes, total, for a class of 30 to launch Open Office. So, > class goes like this, 'Welcome class, please lauch OO, and let's then > take a 10 minute break.' Does it help if one client or the console has loaded it before the others start? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Wed Sep 28 19:41:19 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:41:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] error running up2date on Message-ID: <433AF1DF.6090302@maltzen.net> When I run up2date on my 4.2.1 server (FC3) I'm getting the following error: "There was a fatal error communicating with the server. The message was: An HTTP error occurred: URL: http://ftp.rhnet.is/pub/fedora/3/i386/os//headers/header.info Status Code: 404 Error Message: Not Found The problem seems to be the path of the URL: within ftp.rhnet.is/pub/fedora/ there are two directories, 4/ and updates/. Within update/ there is a 3/i386/ directory, which is probably where I need to get to. Is the fact that it's trying to use an invalid URL being caused by RH's pointer or is there something I need to change? BTW, yum still seems to work fine. Petre From petre at maltzen.net Wed Sep 28 19:57:24 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:57:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <1127935011.2647.96.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <6EF15C30-1B8F-4E31-9C73-69E225F7DDAD@inlandlakes.org> <433AE752.6030204@hosef.org> <1127935011.2647.96.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <433AF5A4.1010303@maltzen.net> Ok, here's a strange bit of info, perhaps worthless: I installed 4.4.1, complete with OOo 2, on a new server a few weeks ago. Server is Athlon 64 with 1GB RAM, serving 3-5 clients. In the lab, before rolling it out to production, I clicked on OOo and it took about 30 seconds to load, worse than the 4.2.1 with OOo 1.1.4 that had been on the machine. What a disappointment, since the whole reason I went to 4.4.1 was to get OOo 2. Tried it a several more times, hoping to build up the cache, but to no avail. Logging in at the server and loading it made no difference for the clients. Depressed, I went to bed for the night. The next day, I tried it again from a client: it loaded in 2 seconds! It's been snappy ever since. I've had a few reboots since then and even after that it still loads in less than 5 seconds. I have no idea what the initial problem was, nor do I know what fixed it. Disk issue? I've got just a single IDE disk in the server. But whatever it was, I can see how 30 clients hitting it simultaneously might drag out to eight minutes. Petre Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 13:56, R. Scott Belford wrote: > > >>It takes 8 minutes, total, for a class of 30 to launch Open Office. So, >>class goes like this, 'Welcome class, please lauch OO, and let's then >>take a 10 minute break.' > > > Does it help if one client or the console has loaded it before the > others start? > From les at futuresource.com Wed Sep 28 20:10:18 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:10:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <433AF5A4.1010303@maltzen.net> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <6EF15C30-1B8F-4E31-9C73-69E225F7DDAD@inlandlakes.org> <433AE752.6030204@hosef.org> <1127935011.2647.96.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <433AF5A4.1010303@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1127938218.2647.120.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 14:57, Petre Scheie wrote: > Ok, here's a strange bit of info, perhaps worthless: I installed 4.4.1, complete with > OOo 2, on a new server a few weeks ago. Server is Athlon 64 with 1GB RAM, serving 3-5 > clients. In the lab, before rolling it out to production, I clicked on OOo and it took > about 30 seconds to load, worse than the 4.2.1 with OOo 1.1.4 that had been on the > machine. What a disappointment, since the whole reason I went to 4.4.1 was to get OOo > 2. Tried it a several more times, hoping to build up the cache, but to no avail. > Logging in at the server and loading it made no difference for the clients. Depressed, > I went to bed for the night. The next day, I tried it again from a client: it loaded in > 2 seconds! It's been snappy ever since. I've had a few reboots since then and even > after that it still loads in less than 5 seconds. > > I have no idea what the initial problem was, nor do I know what fixed it. Disk issue? > I've got just a single IDE disk in the server. But whatever it was, I can see how 30 > clients hitting it simultaneously might drag out to eight minutes. What is supposed to happen is that when you access a disk file the first time it is loaded into memory cache with some read-ahead so if you read it slowly, the next part you need is already there by the time you access it. With a fast CPU and IDE drives you'll be waiting on the disk anyway, but the point is that once it hits the cache it stays there until something else needs the space. The next access to the same file (indexed by inodes so hardlinks are all the same) comes directly out of the memory cache if it is still there. You'll also be opening the files that hold personal preferences at the same time. If these end up flushing the OOo program out of the cache, then you have the disk head trying to be in 30+ places at the same time. (It helps to have /home on a different drive, if not a different server...). -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Wed Sep 28 20:32:54 2005 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:32:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <433AF5A4.1010303@maltzen.net> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <6EF15C30-1B8F-4E31-9C73-69E225F7DDAD@inlandlakes.org> <433AE752.6030204@hosef.org> <1127935011.2647.96.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <433AF5A4.1010303@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <433AFDF6.2020701@chartermi.net> It almost sounds more like the library "prelinking" isn't happening. Try running the following commands from the command line on the server when it's not in general use. touch /var/lib/misc/prelink.force /etc/cron.daily/prelink Petre Scheie wrote: > Ok, here's a strange bit of info, perhaps worthless: I installed 4.4.1, > complete with OOo 2, on a new server a few weeks ago. Server is Athlon > 64 with 1GB RAM, serving 3-5 clients. In the lab, before rolling it out > to production, I clicked on OOo and it took about 30 seconds to load, > worse than the 4.2.1 with OOo 1.1.4 that had been on the machine. What > a disappointment, since the whole reason I went to 4.4.1 was to get OOo > 2. Tried it a several more times, hoping to build up the cache, but to > no avail. Logging in at the server and loading it made no difference for > the clients. Depressed, I went to bed for the night. The next day, I > tried it again from a client: it loaded in 2 seconds! It's been snappy > ever since. I've had a few reboots since then and even after that it > still loads in less than 5 seconds. > > I have no idea what the initial problem was, nor do I know what fixed > it. Disk issue? I've got just a single IDE disk in the server. But > whatever it was, I can see how 30 clients hitting it simultaneously > might drag out to eight minutes. > > Petre > > Les Mikesell wrote: >> On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 13:56, R. Scott Belford wrote: >> >> >>> It takes 8 minutes, total, for a class of 30 to launch Open Office. >>> So, class goes like this, 'Welcome class, please lauch OO, and let's >>> then take a 10 minute break.' >> >> >> Does it help if one client or the console has loaded it before the >> others start? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Eric Feldhusen System Administrator http://www.remc1.org PO Box 270 (906) 482-4520 x239 809 Hecla St (906) 482-5031 fax Hancock, MI 49930 (906) 370 6202 mobile From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Sep 28 20:34:49 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:34:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> Message-ID: <433AFE69.6050608@stmarys-school.org> R. Scott Belford wrote: > We have discovered something at a few of our Hawaii labs that is making > me question the use of 4.4.1. We now have two separate schools that > need about 8 Minutes for 30 clients to open Open Office. When it first > happened, I was just hoping that it was an anomaly, but it now seems to > be a problem. > > My theory is that Open Office 2 does not share the same memory footprint > as OO 1.x. Both labs ran great with K12LTSP 4.2.1 and opened Open > Office in seconds. > > Has anyone else experienced this, and does anyone have suggestions for a > solution other than bagging 4.4.1 for now? > > Aloha > > --scott > Scott, We have had about 20 concurrent oo hits on a server without a hitch. We are using 4.2.1 (CentOS). I had to come up with a work around to install it so the setup and defaults were done before the students logged on. Is OpenOffice going through the initial setup routine? If so that will really be slow the first time, especially if everyone is doing at the exact-same-time. Your probem sound's like Disk IO to me. Can you tell us a little about your server. Is it raid? if so. I'm currious... what are the results of say 5 concurrent. FWIW: I just did a Edubuntu install on my home test "server". It was noticably slower than K12 4.4.1 I did a reinstall of Edubuntu with this minor difference. I moved the swap over to a seperate drive from / It really helped speed things up. John From jam at mcquil.com Wed Sep 28 20:39:06 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] lp_server not running In-Reply-To: <23e346923e178f.23e178f23e3469@texas.rr.com> References: <23e346923e178f.23e178f23e3469@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: John, The order of the lines in lts.conf shouldn't make any difference. Can you send me a copy of your lts.conf file? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > I have done the things the wiki says to do in setting this up in both > the lts.conf and assigned a fixed IP in the dhcpd.conf files. > > I did find that the order in which the enteries are made in the lts.conf > file is important. I switched those lines around an at the bash prompt > on the terminal I typed ps -elf and the list of files did not have > lp_server in it. I typed lp_server and got the following error message: > > parport 0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP(,...)] lp_server pid [233] open of > /dev/lp failed - no such file or directory > > What do I need to do to fix this? > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Petre Scheie > Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 7:28 am > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running > > > Is there a way to see what processes a client is running after it's > > all booted up? > > Opening a terminal and running 'ps -ef' will tell you what's > > happening on the server. > > But I was looking for a way for Pat to verify that lp_server is > > indeed running on the > > client. > > > > Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > jconlon1, > > > > > > lp_server runs on the client, NOT on the server. > > > > > > To get it running on the client, you just need to add some > > entries to > > > your lts.conf file, to define your local printer. > > > > > > Take a look at this wiki article: > > > > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Printers > > > > > > Jim McQuillan > > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > > > > > > >>I am running FC-4.4.0 k12ltsp. > > >>lp_server is not running so I can't get a terminal to act like a > > >>jetdirect device for an HP parallel port printer. > > >> > > >>How do I get lp_server to run? > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>K12OSN mailing list > > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >>For more info see > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From scott at hosef.org Wed Sep 28 21:21:11 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:21:11 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <1127935011.2647.96.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <6EF15C30-1B8F-4E31-9C73-69E225F7DDAD@inlandlakes.org> <433AE752.6030204@hosef.org> <1127935011.2647.96.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <433B0947.2090101@hosef.org> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 13:56, R. Scott Belford wrote: > > >>It takes 8 minutes, total, for a class of 30 to launch Open Office. So, >>class goes like this, 'Welcome class, please lauch OO, and let's then >>take a 10 minute break.' > > > Does it help if one client or the console has loaded it before the > others start? > It does not. I tried that in hopes that successive loads would be faster once the app was in memory. We have witnessed that the slow loads exist after the first, second, third, etc. launches. With respect to a few of the questions I missed: 1. The platform in both labs is dual opteron, 4gb ram, 15K scsi software raid1. 2. The problem does not exist with 4.2.1 and OO version 1.X 3. Have not run top and have not made sure that things are prelinked It does seem that each client is having to open its own instance of OO, and the reads, writes, and caching takes about 8 minutes --scott From wolfravenous at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 00:13:46 2005 From: wolfravenous at gmail.com (Steve Hampton) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:13:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sendmail configs using webmin on thick clients Message-ID: Hi Group, First I wanted to thank everyone that gave me some great feedback on the vision I posted a few days ago. I needed both the negative and positive if I plan to move forward with this dream, and I am going to present my ideas at a school reform meeting that our staff is having next Tuesday. Secondly I have run into an issue I don't know how to overcome. I have configured Sendmail on my K12ltsp server. I have both thin and thick clients attached to it. The sendmail works fine when the students log into a thin client and send mail. The issue came up when I tried to send mail to a user on a thick client (which also has the k12 package installed, and uses samba/Ldap for authentication). The first error I got was that no mailbox for the user existed in /var/spool/mail To solve this I exported the contents of /var/spool/mail/ using nfs and editing the /etc/exports file on the server. I then made the appropriate entries in the /etc/fstab file on the thick clients to have them mount the file from the server to the thick client upon login. This fixed half the problem. I can now sendmail to a user on a thick client from a thin client or the server but I can't go the other way. I can't get the sendmail servers running on the thick clients to forward the mail back to my K12 server for distribution. I am sure there is something I need to cange in the sendmail configs on the thick clients using webmin but I can't figure it out. I have tried going into thick clients sendmail options under webmin and changing the following but it wasn't effective. I tried using both the ip address of the k12 server and the servers dns name (server.ltsp) in the following options: Send outgoing mail via host Forward unqualified usernames to host Forward mail for local users to host But when I would restart sendmail and then try to send a message to a system user it would fail. If anyone know what configs I need to change on the thick clients to get them to push the mail back to the main server for distribution, please let me know. Or if I am going about this all wrong and there is a much easier way to have the students send messages to each other and myself on a hybrid thin and thick client k12 lan I am all ears. Thanks. Warmly Steven Hampton Swain County High School Technology Instructor Open Source, The Right Thing To Do! From wolfravenous at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 00:22:23 2005 From: wolfravenous at gmail.com (Steve Hampton) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:22:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Follow up to post of Sendmail Problems Message-ID: I just discovered that when I logged into Webmin as root on my thick clients and changed sendmail server settings on the thick clients that I wasn't actually changing anything on the thick clients but instead the changes were being may to the sendmail configs on my main server. Now I am really confused. I guess I will be hacking at this problem for awhile. Thanks Steven Hampton Swain County High School Technology Instructor -- Open Source, The Right Thing To Do! From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Sep 29 02:09:39 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:09:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Follow up to post of Sendmail Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Why are the thick clients running sendmail in the first place? On Sep 28, 2005, at 7:22 PM, Steve Hampton wrote: > I just discovered that when I logged into Webmin as root on my thick > clients and changed sendmail server settings on the thick clients that > I wasn't actually changing anything on the thick clients but instead > the changes were being may to the sendmail configs on my main server. > Now I am really confused. I guess I will be hacking at this problem > for awhile. > Thanks > Steven Hampton > Swain County High School > Technology Instructor > -- > Open Source, The Right Thing To Do! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From victor at hiplik.com.hk Thu Sep 29 04:56:09 2005 From: victor at hiplik.com.hk (Victor) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:56:09 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Follow up to post of Sendmail Problems References: Message-ID: <017701c5c4b2$1ea17e10$6601a8c0@VictorYip> Hi Steven, Sendmail is used to setup email server (actually SMTP server). While IE, thunderbird, Mozilla mail and so on are email clients for sending and receiving emails. You can setup email server by using Sendmail in your K12ltsp server but I think there is no need to setup Sendmail in your thick clients for just sending and receiving emails. In your k12ltsp server, just setup email accounts according to your Sendmail setting. In your think clients, just setup email accounts in thunderbird or Mozilla mail and have the SMTP and POP server be the K12ltsp server. Actually, the setting of email boxes in your thick clients should be the same as your thin clients. Victor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hampton" To: Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:22 AM Subject: [K12OSN] Follow up to post of Sendmail Problems > I just discovered that when I logged into Webmin as root on my thick > clients and changed sendmail server settings on the thick clients that > I wasn't actually changing anything on the thick clients but instead > the changes were being may to the sendmail configs on my main server. > Now I am really confused. I guess I will be hacking at this problem > for awhile. > Thanks > Steven Hampton > Swain County High School > Technology Instructor > -- > Open Source, The Right Thing To Do! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From gkw-x at shaw.ca Thu Sep 29 06:59:28 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:59:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts Message-ID: <433B90D0.2010407@shaw.ca> I need to create a large number of accounts. I've whipped up a program to generate a script from a text list of students. What it generates looks like this: groupadd "Grade3" groupadd "Grade2" groupadd "Grade1" groupadd "Grade6" groupadd "Grade7" groupadd "Grade4" groupadd "GradeK" groupadd "Grade5" useradd -c "Kayla Abad" -d /home/kabad -g Grade3 kabad -p kaab Etc, one useradd line for each student. Does that look correct? I'm still new to linux, how can I run this script? From samps at unplugd.com Thu Sep 29 07:20:50 2005 From: samps at unplugd.com (Samps) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:50:50 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts In-Reply-To: <433B90D0.2010407@shaw.ca> References: <433B90D0.2010407@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <433B95D2.90006@unplugd.com> gKw-X wrote: > I need to create a large number of accounts. I've whipped up a program > to generate a script from a text list of students. What it generates > looks like this: > > groupadd "Grade3" > groupadd "Grade2" > groupadd "Grade1" > groupadd "Grade6" > groupadd "Grade7" > groupadd "Grade4" > groupadd "GradeK" > groupadd "Grade5" > useradd -c "Kayla Abad" -d /home/kabad -g Grade3 kabad -p kaab > > Etc, one useradd line for each student. Does that look correct? I'm > still new to linux, how can I run this script? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > Add a line at the top of your script to tell it where to find its command interpreter: #! /bin/bash groupadd "Grade3" groupadd "Grade2" groupadd "Grade1" groupadd "Grade6" (you can find the name of your shell (/bin/bash) by typing echo $SHELL on a commandline) save your script and make it executable by changing its attributes: chmod +x yourscript or chmod +x /path/to/yourscript if you're not "standing right next to it" run it by typing : /path/to/yourscript or ./yourscript if you're able to "see" it from where you are... cheers Samps From gkw-x at shaw.ca Thu Sep 29 07:47:42 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:47:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts In-Reply-To: <433B95D2.90006@unplugd.com> References: <433B90D0.2010407@shaw.ca> <433B95D2.90006@unplugd.com> Message-ID: <433B9C1E.3050108@shaw.ca> Does it matter what the filename is? Does it need a special extension or something? Samps wrote: > gKw-X wrote: > >> I need to create a large number of accounts. I've whipped up a program >> to generate a script from a text list of students. What it generates >> looks like this: >> >> groupadd "Grade3" >> groupadd "Grade2" >> groupadd "Grade1" >> groupadd "Grade6" >> groupadd "Grade7" >> groupadd "Grade4" >> groupadd "GradeK" >> groupadd "Grade5" >> useradd -c "Kayla Abad" -d /home/kabad -g Grade3 kabad -p kaab >> >> Etc, one useradd line for each student. Does that look correct? I'm >> still new to linux, how can I run this script? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> >> > Add a line at the top of your script to tell it where to find its > command interpreter: > > #! /bin/bash > groupadd "Grade3" > groupadd "Grade2" > groupadd "Grade1" > groupadd "Grade6" > > (you can find the name of your shell (/bin/bash) by typing echo $SHELL > on a commandline) > > save your script and make it executable by changing its attributes: > > chmod +x yourscript > > or > > chmod +x /path/to/yourscript > > if you're not "standing right next to it" > > > run it by typing : > > /path/to/yourscript > > or > > ./yourscript > > if you're able to "see" it from where you are... > > cheers > Samps > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From samps at unplugd.com Thu Sep 29 07:56:52 2005 From: samps at unplugd.com (Samps) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:26:52 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts In-Reply-To: <433B9C1E.3050108@shaw.ca> References: <433B90D0.2010407@shaw.ca> <433B95D2.90006@unplugd.com> <433B9C1E.3050108@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <433B9E44.7000509@unplugd.com> gKw-X wrote: > Does it matter what the filename is? Does it need a special extension > or something? Only in Windows ;-) No, it's the x attribute that makes a file executable, not its name or extension Samps From gkw-x at shaw.ca Thu Sep 29 08:08:11 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 01:08:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts In-Reply-To: <433B9E44.7000509@unplugd.com> References: <433B90D0.2010407@shaw.ca> <433B95D2.90006@unplugd.com> <433B9C1E.3050108@shaw.ca> <433B9E44.7000509@unplugd.com> Message-ID: <433BA0EB.10500@shaw.ca> OK great, thanks guys! I can't try it right now, I have to go in and do this tomorrow. Hopefully it all works. Btw, I whipped a nifty little windows (agh!) app to generate the script for creating accounts based on an input file of user names. If anyone wants it, let me know... Though it could use a little more work... It looks like this: http://gkw-x.com/pics/apps/account_maker.jpg Samps wrote: > gKw-X wrote: > >> Does it matter what the filename is? Does it need a special extension >> or something? > > > > Only in Windows ;-) > > No, it's the x attribute that makes a file executable, not its name or > extension > > Samps > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From johnny at msad41.us Thu Sep 29 11:06:24 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:06:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.1 EL yum issue.... Message-ID: <1127991984.433bcab079961@www.msad41.us> Good morning...can anyone help out with this.....this is the tail end of the readout from an attempt to update firefox on a 4.2.1EL K12 server....TIA, John Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for firefox to pack into transaction set. firefox-1.0.7-1.4.1.cento 100% |=========================| 16 MB 00:42 http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/RPMS/updates/firefox-1.0.7-1.4.1.centos4.k12ltsp.4.2.1EL.i386.rpm: [Errno -1] Header is not complete. Trying other mirror. Error: failure: RPMS/updates/firefox-1.0.7-1.4.1.centos4.k12ltsp.4.2.1EL.i386.rpm from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. [root at CentOS4 ~]# John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From fhkms at adelphia.net Thu Sep 29 11:46:37 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:46:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] lockdown or reset gnome desktop Message-ID: <1127994397.13059.1.camel@ws231.ltsp> Hello, I am looking for a way to either lockdown the default gnome desktop, or reset it at logoff/login, for my students. I have k12ltsp 4.4.0 deployed. My students are wasting too much time playing with the background/panels. Thanks! From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Sep 29 12:53:25 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:53:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts In-Reply-To: <433B9E44.7000509@unplugd.com> References: <433B90D0.2010407@shaw.ca> <433B95D2.90006@unplugd.com> <433B9C1E.3050108@shaw.ca> <433B9E44.7000509@unplugd.com> Message-ID: You'll need to chmod the file you create to make it executable. Something like chmod 755 filename or for more security, chmod 700 filename where filename is the name you gave your file. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 29 Sep 2005, Samps wrote: > gKw-X wrote: > > > Does it matter what the filename is? Does it need a special extension > > or something? > > > Only in Windows ;-) > > No, it's the x attribute that makes a file executable, not its name or > extension > > Samps > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Thu Sep 29 12:54:08 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:54:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts In-Reply-To: <433B90D0.2010407@shaw.ca> References: <433B90D0.2010407@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1127998447.20324.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 01:59, gKw-X wrote: > I need to create a large number of accounts. I've whipped up a program > to generate a script from a text list of students. What it generates > looks like this: > > groupadd "Grade3" > groupadd "Grade2" > groupadd "Grade1" > groupadd "Grade6" > groupadd "Grade7" > groupadd "Grade4" > groupadd "GradeK" > groupadd "Grade5" > useradd -c "Kayla Abad" -d /home/kabad -g Grade3 kabad -p kaab > > Etc, one useradd line for each student. Does that look correct? With a little practice, you can do stuff like that in seconds (well, minutes anyway) with :%s/search/replace/ expressions in vi starting from a delimited list. > I'm > still new to linux, how can I run this script? sh filename will run it without having to make it executable (or you could "1G!sh" from inside vi to send the buffer to the shell without writing the file...) sh -x filename will execute it, showing you the lines as they are executed. Or chmod +x filename ./filename to execute it directly. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gkw-x at shaw.ca Thu Sep 29 12:59:08 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 05:59:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts In-Reply-To: <1127998447.20324.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <433B90D0.2010407@shaw.ca> <1127998447.20324.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <433BE51C.2090504@shaw.ca> OK thanks guys! I have a lot to learn. Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 01:59, gKw-X wrote: > >>I need to create a large number of accounts. I've whipped up a program >>to generate a script from a text list of students. What it generates >>looks like this: >> >>groupadd "Grade3" >>groupadd "Grade2" >>groupadd "Grade1" >>groupadd "Grade6" >>groupadd "Grade7" >>groupadd "Grade4" >>groupadd "GradeK" >>groupadd "Grade5" >>useradd -c "Kayla Abad" -d /home/kabad -g Grade3 kabad -p kaab >> >>Etc, one useradd line for each student. Does that look correct? > > > With a little practice, you can do stuff like that in seconds > (well, minutes anyway) with :%s/search/replace/ expressions > in vi starting from a delimited list. > > >> I'm >>still new to linux, how can I run this script? > > > sh filename > will run it without having to make it executable > (or you could "1G!sh" from inside vi to send the > buffer to the shell without writing the file...) > sh -x filename > will execute it, showing you the lines as they > are executed. > Or chmod +x filename > ./filename > to execute it directly. > From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 13:09:59 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (The Prof) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:09:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts In-Reply-To: <433BE51C.2090504@shaw.ca> References: <433B90D0.2010407@shaw.ca> <1127998447.20324.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <433BE51C.2090504@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Hello, One thing I've used to create many accounts quickly is Webmin. I am usually given a list of students in a speadsheet, and by using the concatenate command I can glue together the information in the format webmin's batch processor needs. Then I just hit paste it in, hit the button, and all the accounts are done! Just an idea. Joseph From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Sep 29 13:19:00 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:19:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] lp_server not running Message-ID: <241afa9241ac37.241ac37241afa9@texas.rr.com> Jim, I have attached the lts.conf file. Before I switched the order of the lines around I got no response on the terminal when I typed lp_server at the bash prompt. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim McQuillan Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 2:39 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running > John, > > The order of the lines in lts.conf shouldn't make any difference. > > Can you send me a copy of your lts.conf file? > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > I have done the things the wiki says to do in setting this up in > both> the lts.conf and assigned a fixed IP in the dhcpd.conf files. > > > > I did find that the order in which the enteries are made in the > lts.conf> file is important. I switched those lines around an at > the bash prompt > > on the terminal I typed ps -elf and the list of files did not have > > lp_server in it. I typed lp_server and got the following error > message:> > > parport 0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP(,...)] lp_server pid [233] > open of > > /dev/lp failed - no such file or directory > > > > What do I need to do to fix this? > > Pat > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Petre Scheie > > Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 7:28 am > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running > > > > > Is there a way to see what processes a client is running after > it's> > all booted up? > > > Opening a terminal and running 'ps -ef' will tell you what's > > > happening on the server. > > > But I was looking for a way for Pat to verify that lp_server is > > > indeed running on the > > > client. > > > > > > Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > > jconlon1, > > > > > > > > lp_server runs on the client, NOT on the server. > > > > > > > > To get it running on the client, you just need to add some > > > entries to > > > > your lts.conf file, to define your local printer. > > > > > > > > Take a look at this wiki article: > > > > > > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Printers > > > > > > > > Jim McQuillan > > > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>I am running FC-4.4.0 k12ltsp. > > > >>lp_server is not running so I can't get a terminal to act > like a > > > >>jetdirect device for an HP parallel port printer. > > > >> > > > >>How do I get lp_server to run? > > > >> > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > > >>K12OSN mailing list > > > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > > > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > >>For more info see > > > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: lts.conf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 7438 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jam at mcquil.com Thu Sep 29 13:38:35 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] lp_server not running In-Reply-To: <241afa9241ac37.241ac37241afa9@texas.rr.com> References: <241afa9241ac37.241ac37241afa9@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: John, I'm assuming that the terminal you are setting up is the one with the MAC address of '00:48:54:67:3a:64' Did you know that you have 2 sections for that terminal in the lts.conf file? I think that is supposed to work, but i've never tried it. I suppose that could cause a problem. Also, what version of LTSP/K12ltsp are you using? There was a bug in the printer stuff that was fixed in LTSP-4.1. The problem was it was looking for 'PRINTER_1_TYPE' instead of 'PRINTER_0_TYPE' for the first printer. The PRINTER_0_DEVICE was still ok, it was only the TYPE that was looking for '1'. So, in that case, the quick answer was to set the following: PRINTER_1_TYPE = P PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 Since either 4.1 or 4.1.1, this is no longer a problem. Take a look at /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sysinit. Search for 'PRINTER_1_TYPE', and see if it is looking for 1, 2, 3, or 0, 1, 2 for the printer types. The correct script is looking for 0, 1, 2. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > Jim, > I have attached the lts.conf file. > > Before I switched the order of the lines around I got no response on the > terminal when I typed lp_server at the bash prompt. > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim McQuillan > Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 2:39 pm > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running > > > John, > > > > The order of the lines in lts.conf shouldn't make any difference. > > > > Can you send me a copy of your lts.conf file? > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > > > I have done the things the wiki says to do in setting this up in > > both> the lts.conf and assigned a fixed IP in the dhcpd.conf files. > > > > > > I did find that the order in which the enteries are made in the > > lts.conf> file is important. I switched those lines around an at > > the bash prompt > > > on the terminal I typed ps -elf and the list of files did not have > > > lp_server in it. I typed lp_server and got the following error > > message:> > > > parport 0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP(,...)] lp_server pid [233] > > open of > > > /dev/lp failed - no such file or directory > > > > > > What do I need to do to fix this? > > > Pat > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Petre Scheie > > > Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 7:28 am > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running > > > > > > > Is there a way to see what processes a client is running after > > it's> > all booted up? > > > > Opening a terminal and running 'ps -ef' will tell you what's > > > > happening on the server. > > > > But I was looking for a way for Pat to verify that lp_server is > > > > indeed running on the > > > > client. > > > > > > > > Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > > > jconlon1, > > > > > > > > > > lp_server runs on the client, NOT on the server. > > > > > > > > > > To get it running on the client, you just need to add some > > > > entries to > > > > > your lts.conf file, to define your local printer. > > > > > > > > > > Take a look at this wiki article: > > > > > > > > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Printers > > > > > > > > > > Jim McQuillan > > > > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I am running FC-4.4.0 k12ltsp. > > > > >>lp_server is not running so I can't get a terminal to act > > like a > > > > >>jetdirect device for an HP parallel port printer. > > > > >> > > > > >>How do I get lp_server to run? > > > > >> > > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > > > >>K12OSN mailing list > > > > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > >>For more info see > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From gkw-x at shaw.ca Thu Sep 29 13:39:07 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:39:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Restrict Window Managers Message-ID: <433BEE7B.60704@shaw.ca> When students log in, there is a list of window managers to choose from. I am going to configure KDE I think, and would like to restrict them from using any of the others... How can I do this? From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Sep 29 14:43:33 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:43:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] lp_server not running Message-ID: <252f735252e160.252e160252f735@texas.rr.com> I didn't realize I had created a second section for that terminal. I fixed that now there is only one section. That Mac address is the address for the terminal I am using. I am running FC 4.4.0. Perhaps it has the same problem as FC 4.4.1 After combining the two sections I shut the terminal down and restarted it from power off. I typed ps -elf and now lp_server is in the terminal's list. I typed in lp_server and got the following error message: tcp_open: Bind to '0.0.0.0 port 9100 failed - address already in use. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim McQuillan Date: Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:38 am Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running > John, > > I'm assuming that the terminal you are setting up is the one with the > MAC address of '00:48:54:67:3a:64' > > Did you know that you have 2 sections for that terminal in the > lts.conffile? > > I think that is supposed to work, but i've never tried it. I suppose > that could cause a problem. > > Also, what version of LTSP/K12ltsp are you using? > > There was a bug in the printer stuff that was fixed in LTSP-4.1. > > The problem was it was looking for 'PRINTER_1_TYPE' instead of > 'PRINTER_0_TYPE' for the first printer. The PRINTER_0_DEVICE was > stillok, it was only the TYPE that was looking for '1'. So, in > that case, > the quick answer was to set the following: > > PRINTER_1_TYPE = P > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 > > > Since either 4.1 or 4.1.1, this is no longer a problem. > > Take a look at /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sysinit. Search for > 'PRINTER_1_TYPE', and see if it is looking for 1, 2, 3, or 0, 1, 2 > for the printer types. The correct script is looking for 0, 1, 2. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > Jim, > > I have attached the lts.conf file. > > > > Before I switched the order of the lines around I got no response > on the > > terminal when I typed lp_server at the bash prompt. > > Pat > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jim McQuillan > > Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 2:39 pm > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running > > > > > John, > > > > > > The order of the lines in lts.conf shouldn't make any difference. > > > > > > Can you send me a copy of your lts.conf file? > > > > > > Jim McQuillan > > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > > > > > I have done the things the wiki says to do in setting this up in > > > both> the lts.conf and assigned a fixed IP in the dhcpd.conf > files.> > > > > > > I did find that the order in which the enteries are made in the > > > lts.conf> file is important. I switched those lines around an at > > > the bash prompt > > > > on the terminal I typed ps -elf and the list of files did not > have> > > lp_server in it. I typed lp_server and got the following > error> > message:> > > > > parport 0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP(,...)] lp_server pid [233] > > > open of > > > > /dev/lp failed - no such file or directory > > > > > > > > What do I need to do to fix this? > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Petre Scheie > > > > Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 7:28 am > > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running > > > > > > > > > Is there a way to see what processes a client is running after > > > it's> > all booted up? > > > > > Opening a terminal and running 'ps -ef' will tell you what's > > > > > happening on the server. > > > > > But I was looking for a way for Pat to verify that > lp_server is > > > > > indeed running on the > > > > > client. > > > > > > > > > > Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > > > > jconlon1, > > > > > > > > > > > > lp_server runs on the client, NOT on the server. > > > > > > > > > > > > To get it running on the client, you just need to add some > > > > > entries to > > > > > > your lts.conf file, to define your local printer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take a look at this wiki article: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Printers > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim McQuillan > > > > > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I am running FC-4.4.0 k12ltsp. > > > > > >>lp_server is not running so I can't get a terminal to act > > > like a > > > > > >>jetdirect device for an HP parallel port printer. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>How do I get lp_server to run? > > > > > >> > > > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > > > > >>K12OSN mailing list > > > > > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > >>For more info see > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Sep 29 14:44:06 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:44:06 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts In-Reply-To: References: <433B90D0.2010407@shaw.ca> <1127998447.20324.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <433BE51C.2090504@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <433BFDB6.4020609@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> The Prof wrote: > Hello, > > One thing I've used to create many accounts quickly is Webmin. I am > usually given a list of students in a speadsheet, and by using the > concatenate command I can glue together the information in the format > webmin's batch processor needs. Then I just hit paste it in, hit the > button, and all the accounts are done! > > Just an idea. > > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I use the smbldap-useradd bulk script, just push out the correct file and it does the rest. Job done but that is assuming your using Samba/LDAP Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jam at mcquil.com Thu Sep 29 14:49:01 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] lp_server not running In-Reply-To: <252f735252e160.252e160252f735@texas.rr.com> References: <252f735252e160.252e160252f735@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > I didn't realize I had created a second section for that terminal. I > fixed that now there is only one section. > > That Mac address is the address for the terminal I am using. > > I am running FC 4.4.0. Perhaps it has the same problem as FC 4.4.1 You are talking about Fedora versions. I'm talking about LTSP. > > After combining the two sections I shut the terminal down and restarted > it from power off. I typed ps -elf and now lp_server is in the > terminal's list. I typed in lp_server and got the following error message: > tcp_open: Bind to '0.0.0.0 port 9100 failed - address already in use. Why are you typing 'lp_server' ? You don't need to run it, it's already running. Now, you need to test it from the server. Try telnetting to that client at port 9100. Like this: telnet ws001 9100 (substitute the workstation name or IP address) You should get a connected message. Then, whatever you type should appear on the printer. Hit Ctrl-J to advance a line, and Ctrl-L to eject the page. If that works, then you just need to setup your print spooler on your server. Tell CUPS that it's a jetdirect interface and you should be all set. Jim. > > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim McQuillan > Date: Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:38 am > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running > > > John, > > > > I'm assuming that the terminal you are setting up is the one with the > > MAC address of '00:48:54:67:3a:64' > > > > Did you know that you have 2 sections for that terminal in the > > lts.conffile? > > > > I think that is supposed to work, but i've never tried it. I suppose > > that could cause a problem. > > > > Also, what version of LTSP/K12ltsp are you using? > > > > There was a bug in the printer stuff that was fixed in LTSP-4.1. > > > > The problem was it was looking for 'PRINTER_1_TYPE' instead of > > 'PRINTER_0_TYPE' for the first printer. The PRINTER_0_DEVICE was > > stillok, it was only the TYPE that was looking for '1'. So, in > > that case, > > the quick answer was to set the following: > > > > PRINTER_1_TYPE = P > > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 > > > > > > Since either 4.1 or 4.1.1, this is no longer a problem. > > > > Take a look at /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sysinit. Search for > > 'PRINTER_1_TYPE', and see if it is looking for 1, 2, 3, or 0, 1, 2 > > for the printer types. The correct script is looking for 0, 1, 2. > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > > > Jim, > > > I have attached the lts.conf file. > > > > > > Before I switched the order of the lines around I got no response > > on the > > > terminal when I typed lp_server at the bash prompt. > > > Pat > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Jim McQuillan > > > Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 2:39 pm > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running > > > > > > > John, > > > > > > > > The order of the lines in lts.conf shouldn't make any difference. > > > > > > > > Can you send me a copy of your lts.conf file? > > > > > > > > Jim McQuillan > > > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > I have done the things the wiki says to do in setting this up in > > > > both> the lts.conf and assigned a fixed IP in the dhcpd.conf > > files.> > > > > > > > I did find that the order in which the enteries are made in the > > > > lts.conf> file is important. I switched those lines around an at > > > > the bash prompt > > > > > on the terminal I typed ps -elf and the list of files did not > > have> > > lp_server in it. I typed lp_server and got the following > > error> > message:> > > > > > parport 0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP(,...)] lp_server pid [233] > > > > open of > > > > > /dev/lp failed - no such file or directory > > > > > > > > > > What do I need to do to fix this? > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Petre Scheie > > > > > Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 7:28 am > > > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a way to see what processes a client is running after > > > > it's> > all booted up? > > > > > > Opening a terminal and running 'ps -ef' will tell you what's > > > > > > happening on the server. > > > > > > But I was looking for a way for Pat to verify that > > lp_server is > > > > > > indeed running on the > > > > > > client. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > > > > > jconlon1, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lp_server runs on the client, NOT on the server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To get it running on the client, you just need to add some > > > > > > entries to > > > > > > > your lts.conf file, to define your local printer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take a look at this wiki article: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Printers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim McQuillan > > > > > > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I am running FC-4.4.0 k12ltsp. > > > > > > >>lp_server is not running so I can't get a terminal to act > > > > like a > > > > > > >>jetdirect device for an HP parallel port printer. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>How do I get lp_server to run? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > > > > > >>K12OSN mailing list > > > > > > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > > >>For more info see > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Sep 29 15:00:47 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:00:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] lp_server not running Message-ID: <25316d02530f82.2530f8225316d0@texas.rr.com> Sorry about that. I am using which ever version of ltsp that came on the 4.4.0 CDs that were given to me by my district Linux person. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim McQuillan Date: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:49 am Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running > > > On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > I didn't realize I had created a second section for that > terminal. I > > fixed that now there is only one section. > > > > That Mac address is the address for the terminal I am using. > > > > I am running FC 4.4.0. Perhaps it has the same problem as FC 4.4.1 > > You are talking about Fedora versions. I'm talking about LTSP. > > > > > After combining the two sections I shut the terminal down and > restarted> it from power off. I typed ps -elf and now lp_server is > in the > > terminal's list. I typed in lp_server and got the following > error message: > > tcp_open: Bind to '0.0.0.0 port 9100 failed - address already in > use. > Why are you typing 'lp_server' ? You don't need to run it, it's > alreadyrunning. > > Now, you need to test it from the server. Try telnetting to that > clientat port 9100. Like this: > > telnet ws001 9100 > > (substitute the workstation name or IP address) > > You should get a connected message. Then, whatever you type should > appear on the printer. Hit Ctrl-J to advance a line, and Ctrl-L to > eject the page. > > If that works, then you just need to setup your print spooler on your > server. Tell CUPS that it's a jetdirect interface and you should > be all > set. > > Jim. > > > > > > > Pat > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jim McQuillan > > Date: Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:38 am > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running > > > > > John, > > > > > > I'm assuming that the terminal you are setting up is the one > with the > > > MAC address of '00:48:54:67:3a:64' > > > > > > Did you know that you have 2 sections for that terminal in the > > > lts.conffile? > > > > > > I think that is supposed to work, but i've never tried it. I > suppose> > that could cause a problem. > > > > > > Also, what version of LTSP/K12ltsp are you using? > > > > > > There was a bug in the printer stuff that was fixed in LTSP-4.1. > > > > > > The problem was it was looking for 'PRINTER_1_TYPE' instead of > > > 'PRINTER_0_TYPE' for the first printer. The PRINTER_0_DEVICE was > > > stillok, it was only the TYPE that was looking for '1'. So, in > > > that case, > > > the quick answer was to set the following: > > > > > > PRINTER_1_TYPE = P > > > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 > > > > > > > > > Since either 4.1 or 4.1.1, this is no longer a problem. > > > > > > Take a look at /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sysinit. Search for > > > 'PRINTER_1_TYPE', and see if it is looking for 1, 2, 3, or 0, > 1, 2 > > > for the printer types. The correct script is looking for 0, 1, 2. > > > > > > Jim McQuillan > > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > I have attached the lts.conf file. > > > > > > > > Before I switched the order of the lines around I got no > response> > on the > > > > terminal when I typed lp_server at the bash prompt. > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Jim McQuillan > > > > Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 2:39 pm > > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running > > > > > > > > > John, > > > > > > > > > > The order of the lines in lts.conf shouldn't make any > difference.> > > > > > > > > Can you send me a copy of your lts.conf file? > > > > > > > > > > Jim McQuillan > > > > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I have done the things the wiki says to do in setting > this up in > > > > > both> the lts.conf and assigned a fixed IP in the dhcpd.conf > > > files.> > > > > > > > > I did find that the order in which the enteries are made > in the > > > > > lts.conf> file is important. I switched those lines around > an at > > > > > the bash prompt > > > > > > on the terminal I typed ps -elf and the list of files did > not> > have> > > lp_server in it. I typed lp_server and got the > following> > error> > message:> > > > > > > parport 0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP(,...)] lp_server pid > [233]> > > > open of > > > > > > /dev/lp failed - no such file or directory > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I need to do to fix this? > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Petre Scheie > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 7:28 am > > > > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a way to see what processes a client is > running after > > > > > it's> > all booted up? > > > > > > > Opening a terminal and running 'ps -ef' will tell you > what's> > > > > > happening on the server. > > > > > > > But I was looking for a way for Pat to verify that > > > lp_server is > > > > > > > indeed running on the > > > > > > > client. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > > > > > > jconlon1, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lp_server runs on the client, NOT on the server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To get it running on the client, you just need to add > some> > > > > > entries to > > > > > > > > your lts.conf file, to define your local printer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take a look at this wiki article: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Printers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim McQuillan > > > > > > > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I am running FC-4.4.0 k12ltsp. > > > > > > > >>lp_server is not running so I can't get a terminal to > act> > > > like a > > > > > > > >>jetdirect device for an HP parallel port printer. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>How do I get lp_server to run? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > > > > > > >>K12OSN mailing list > > > > > > > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > > > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > > > >>For more info see > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Thu Sep 29 15:39:09 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:39:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] lp_server not running In-Reply-To: <25316d02530f82.2530f8225316d0@texas.rr.com> References: <25316d02530f82.2530f8225316d0@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <433C0A9D.30307@maltzen.net> IIRC, Eric creates K12LTSP 4.4.x by bolting the LTSP 4 packages onto Fedora Core 4. jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > Sorry about that. I am using which ever version of ltsp that came on > the 4.4.0 CDs that were given to me by my district Linux person. > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim McQuillan > Date: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:49 am > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running > > >> >>On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: >> >> >>>I didn't realize I had created a second section for that >> >>terminal. I >> >>>fixed that now there is only one section. >>> >>>That Mac address is the address for the terminal I am using. >>> >>>I am running FC 4.4.0. Perhaps it has the same problem as FC 4.4.1 >> >>You are talking about Fedora versions. I'm talking about LTSP. >> >> >>>After combining the two sections I shut the terminal down and >> >>restarted> it from power off. I typed ps -elf and now lp_server is >>in the >> >>>terminal's list. I typed in lp_server and got the following >> >>error message: >> >>>tcp_open: Bind to '0.0.0.0 port 9100 failed - address already in >> >>use. >>Why are you typing 'lp_server' ? You don't need to run it, it's >>alreadyrunning. >> >>Now, you need to test it from the server. Try telnetting to that >>clientat port 9100. Like this: >> >> telnet ws001 9100 >> >>(substitute the workstation name or IP address) >> >>You should get a connected message. Then, whatever you type should >>appear on the printer. Hit Ctrl-J to advance a line, and Ctrl-L to >>eject the page. >> >>If that works, then you just need to setup your print spooler on your >>server. Tell CUPS that it's a jetdirect interface and you should >>be all >>set. >> >>Jim. >> >> >> >> >>>Pat >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Jim McQuillan >>>Date: Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:38 am >>>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running >>> >>> >>>>John, >>>> >>>>I'm assuming that the terminal you are setting up is the one >> >>with the >> >>>>MAC address of '00:48:54:67:3a:64' >>>> >>>>Did you know that you have 2 sections for that terminal in the >>>>lts.conffile? >>>> >>>>I think that is supposed to work, but i've never tried it. I >> >>suppose> > that could cause a problem. >> >>>>Also, what version of LTSP/K12ltsp are you using? >>>> >>>>There was a bug in the printer stuff that was fixed in LTSP-4.1. >>>> >>>>The problem was it was looking for 'PRINTER_1_TYPE' instead of >>>>'PRINTER_0_TYPE' for the first printer. The PRINTER_0_DEVICE was >>>>stillok, it was only the TYPE that was looking for '1'. So, in >>>>that case, >>>>the quick answer was to set the following: >>>> >>>> PRINTER_1_TYPE = P >>>> PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 >>>> >>>> >>>>Since either 4.1 or 4.1.1, this is no longer a problem. >>>> >>>>Take a look at /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sysinit. Search for >>>>'PRINTER_1_TYPE', and see if it is looking for 1, 2, 3, or 0, >> >>1, 2 >> >>>>for the printer types. The correct script is looking for 0, 1, 2. >>>> >>>>Jim McQuillan >>>>jam at Ltsp.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Jim, >>>>>I have attached the lts.conf file. >>>>> >>>>>Before I switched the order of the lines around I got no >> >>response> > on the >> >>>>>terminal when I typed lp_server at the bash prompt. >>>>>Pat >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: Jim McQuillan >>>>>Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 2:39 pm >>>>>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>John, >>>>>> >>>>>>The order of the lines in lts.conf shouldn't make any >> >>difference.> > > > >> >>>>>>Can you send me a copy of your lts.conf file? >>>>>> >>>>>>Jim McQuillan >>>>>>jam at Ltsp.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I have done the things the wiki says to do in setting >> >>this up in >> >>>>>>both> the lts.conf and assigned a fixed IP in the dhcpd.conf >>>> >>>>files.> > > >>>> >>>>>>>I did find that the order in which the enteries are made >> >>in the >> >>>>>>lts.conf> file is important. I switched those lines around >> >>an at >> >>>>>>the bash prompt >>>>>> >>>>>>>on the terminal I typed ps -elf and the list of files did >> >>not> > have> > > lp_server in it. I typed lp_server and got the >>following> > error> > message:> >> >>>>>>>parport 0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP(,...)] lp_server pid >> >>[233]> > > > open of >> >>>>>>>/dev/lp failed - no such file or directory >>>>>>> >>>>>>>What do I need to do to fix this? >>>>>>>Pat >>>>>>> >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>From: Petre Scheie >>>>>>>Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 7:28 am >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Is there a way to see what processes a client is >> >>running after >> >>>>>>it's> > all booted up? >>>>>> >>>>>>>>Opening a terminal and running 'ps -ef' will tell you >> >>what's> > > > > > happening on the server. >> >>>>>>>>But I was looking for a way for Pat to verify that >>>> >>>>lp_server is >>>> >>>>>>>>indeed running on the >>>>>>>>client. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Jim McQuillan wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>jconlon1, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>lp_server runs on the client, NOT on the server. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>To get it running on the client, you just need to add >> >>some> > > > > > entries to >> >>>>>>>>>your lts.conf file, to define your local printer. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Take a look at this wiki article: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Printers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Jim McQuillan >>>>>>>>>jam at Ltsp.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I am running FC-4.4.0 k12ltsp. >>>>>>>>>>lp_server is not running so I can't get a terminal to >> >>act> > > > like a >> >>>>>>>>>>jetdirect device for an HP parallel port printer. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>How do I get lp_server to run? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>>>>>For more info see >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>>>>For more info see >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>>>For more info see >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>>For more info see >>>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>For more info see >>>>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Sep 29 15:50:47 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:50:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] lp_server not running Message-ID: <242b4ca24280c0.24280c0242b4ca@texas.rr.com> Then I must be using LTSP 4. Thanks Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Petre Scheie Date: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:39 am Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running > IIRC, Eric creates K12LTSP 4.4.x by bolting the LTSP 4 packages > onto Fedora Core 4. > > jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > Sorry about that. I am using which ever version of ltsp that > came on > > the 4.4.0 CDs that were given to me by my district Linux person. > > Pat > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jim McQuillan > > Date: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:49 am > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running > > > > > >> > >>On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > >> > >> > >>>I didn't realize I had created a second section for that > >> > >>terminal. I > >> > >>>fixed that now there is only one section. > >>> > >>>That Mac address is the address for the terminal I am using. > >>> > >>>I am running FC 4.4.0. Perhaps it has the same problem as FC 4.4.1 > >> > >>You are talking about Fedora versions. I'm talking about LTSP. > >> > >> > >>>After combining the two sections I shut the terminal down and > >> > >>restarted> it from power off. I typed ps -elf and now lp_server > is > >>in the > >> > >>>terminal's list. I typed in lp_server and got the following > >> > >>error message: > >> > >>>tcp_open: Bind to '0.0.0.0 port 9100 failed - address already in > >> > >>use. > >>Why are you typing 'lp_server' ? You don't need to run it, it's > >>alreadyrunning. > >> > >>Now, you need to test it from the server. Try telnetting to that > >>clientat port 9100. Like this: > >> > >> telnet ws001 9100 > >> > >>(substitute the workstation name or IP address) > >> > >>You should get a connected message. Then, whatever you type should > >>appear on the printer. Hit Ctrl-J to advance a line, and Ctrl-L to > >>eject the page. > >> > >>If that works, then you just need to setup your print spooler on > your>>server. Tell CUPS that it's a jetdirect interface and you > should > >>be all > >>set. > >> > >>Jim. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>Pat > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: Jim McQuillan > >>>Date: Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:38 am > >>>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running > >>> > >>> > >>>>John, > >>>> > >>>>I'm assuming that the terminal you are setting up is the one > >> > >>with the > >> > >>>>MAC address of '00:48:54:67:3a:64' > >>>> > >>>>Did you know that you have 2 sections for that terminal in the > >>>>lts.conffile? > >>>> > >>>>I think that is supposed to work, but i've never tried it. I > >> > >>suppose> > that could cause a problem. > >> > >>>>Also, what version of LTSP/K12ltsp are you using? > >>>> > >>>>There was a bug in the printer stuff that was fixed in LTSP-4.1. > >>>> > >>>>The problem was it was looking for 'PRINTER_1_TYPE' instead of > >>>>'PRINTER_0_TYPE' for the first printer. The PRINTER_0_DEVICE was > >>>>stillok, it was only the TYPE that was looking for '1'. So, in > >>>>that case, > >>>>the quick answer was to set the following: > >>>> > >>>> PRINTER_1_TYPE = P > >>>> PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Since either 4.1 or 4.1.1, this is no longer a problem. > >>>> > >>>>Take a look at /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sysinit. Search for > >>>>'PRINTER_1_TYPE', and see if it is looking for 1, 2, 3, or 0, > >> > >>1, 2 > >> > >>>>for the printer types. The correct script is looking for 0, 1, 2. > >>>> > >>>>Jim McQuillan > >>>>jam at Ltsp.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Jim, > >>>>>I have attached the lts.conf file. > >>>>> > >>>>>Before I switched the order of the lines around I got no > >> > >>response> > on the > >> > >>>>>terminal when I typed lp_server at the bash prompt. > >>>>>Pat > >>>>> > >>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>From: Jim McQuillan > >>>>>Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 2:39 pm > >>>>>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>John, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>The order of the lines in lts.conf shouldn't make any > >> > >>difference.> > > > > >> > >>>>>>Can you send me a copy of your lts.conf file? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Jim McQuillan > >>>>>>jam at Ltsp.org > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>I have done the things the wiki says to do in setting > >> > >>this up in > >> > >>>>>>both> the lts.conf and assigned a fixed IP in the dhcpd.conf > >>>> > >>>>files.> > > > >>>> > >>>>>>>I did find that the order in which the enteries are made > >> > >>in the > >> > >>>>>>lts.conf> file is important. I switched those lines around > >> > >>an at > >> > >>>>>>the bash prompt > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>on the terminal I typed ps -elf and the list of files did > >> > >>not> > have> > > lp_server in it. I typed lp_server and got the > >>following> > error> > message:> > >> > >>>>>>>parport 0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP(,...)] lp_server pid > >> > >>[233]> > > > open of > >> > >>>>>>>/dev/lp failed - no such file or directory > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>What do I need to do to fix this? > >>>>>>>Pat > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>From: Petre Scheie > >>>>>>>Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 7:28 am > >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lp_server not running > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Is there a way to see what processes a client is > >> > >>running after > >> > >>>>>>it's> > all booted up? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Opening a terminal and running 'ps -ef' will tell you > >> > >>what's> > > > > > happening on the server. > >> > >>>>>>>>But I was looking for a way for Pat to verify that > >>>> > >>>>lp_server is > >>>> > >>>>>>>>indeed running on the > >>>>>>>>client. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Jim McQuillan wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>jconlon1, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>lp_server runs on the client, NOT on the server. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>To get it running on the client, you just need to add > >> > >>some> > > > > > entries to > >> > >>>>>>>>>your lts.conf file, to define your local printer. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Take a look at this wiki article: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Printers > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Jim McQuillan > >>>>>>>>>jam at Ltsp.org > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>I am running FC-4.4.0 k12ltsp. > >>>>>>>>>>lp_server is not running so I can't get a terminal to > >> > >>act> > > > like a > >> > >>>>>>>>>>jetdirect device for an HP parallel port printer. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>How do I get lp_server to run? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>>>>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>>>>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>>>>>>>>For more info see > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>>>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>>>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>>>>>>>For more info see > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>>>>>>For more info see > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>>>>>For more info see > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>>>>For more info see > >>>>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>>For more info see > >>>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Sep 29 16:08:10 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:08:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.1 EL yum issue.... In-Reply-To: <1127991984.433bcab079961@www.msad41.us> References: <1127991984.433bcab079961@www.msad41.us> Message-ID: <433C116A.7010606@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> John T. Leonard wrote: > Good morning...can anyone help out with this.....this is the tail end of the > readout from an attempt to update firefox on a 4.2.1EL K12 server....TIA, John > > Resolving Dependencies > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Downloading header for firefox to pack into transaction set. > firefox-1.0.7-1.4.1.cento 100% |=========================| 16 MB 00:42 > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/RPMS/updates/firefox-1.0.7-1.4.1.centos4.k12ltsp.4.2.1EL.i386.rpm: > [Errno -1] Header is not complete. > Trying other mirror. > Error: failure: > RPMS/updates/firefox-1.0.7-1.4.1.centos4.k12ltsp.4.2.1EL.i386.rpm from k12ltsp: > [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. > [root at CentOS4 ~]# > > The internet access to k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us was down earlier, that may be the cause of the error. Do a "yum clean all" then "yum install firefox". Post back if it still doesn't work. It appears to be fine from here. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <433C116A.7010606@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1127991984.433bcab079961@www.msad41.us> <433C116A.7010606@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1128011215.433c15cf0922f@www.msad41.us> Quoting Eric Harrison : > The internet access to k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us was down earlier, that > may be the cause of the error. > > Do a "yum clean all" then "yum install firefox". Post back if it still > doesn't work. It appears to be fine from here. > > -Eric > Hello Eric....here is the complete output from the terminal..I have a feeling it's something I'm not doing or haven't done but I'm not sure what..I tried a couple of other installs and got the same 'header is not complete' message..J [root at CentOS4 ~]# yum clean all Cleaning up Everything 1 headers removed 0 packages removed 12 metadata files removed 6 cache files removed [root at CentOS4 ~]# yum install firefox Setting up Install Process Setting up Repos k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 update 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 addons 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 669 kB 00:00 MD Read : ################################################## 1970/1970 k12ltsp : ################################################## 1771/1771 primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 69 kB 00:00 MD Read : ################################################## 178/178 update : ################################################## 178/178 primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 MD Read : ################################################## 3/3 webmin : ################################################## 3/3 primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 534 kB 00:01 MD Read : ################################################## 1407/1407 base : ################################################## 1406/1406 primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 157 B 00:00 primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 9.3 kB 00:00 MD Read : ################################################## 33/33 extras : ################################################## 33/33 Parsing package install arguments Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for firefox to pack into transaction set. firefox-1.0.7-1.4.1.cento 100% |=========================| 16 MB 00:50 http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/RPMS/updates/firefox-1.0.7-1.4.1.centos4.k12ltsp.4.2.1EL.i386.rpm: [Errno -1] Header is not complete. Trying other mirror. Error: failure: RPMS/updates/firefox-1.0.7-1.4.1.centos4.k12ltsp.4.2.1EL.i386.rpm from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. [root at CentOS4 ~]# John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From les at futuresource.com Thu Sep 29 16:33:53 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:33:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.1 EL yum issue.... In-Reply-To: <1128011215.433c15cf0922f@www.msad41.us> References: <1127991984.433bcab079961@www.msad41.us> <433C116A.7010606@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1128011215.433c15cf0922f@www.msad41.us> Message-ID: <1128011633.22046.40.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 11:26, John T. Leonard wrote: > Hello Eric....here is the complete output from the terminal..I have a feeling > it's something I'm not doing or haven't done but I'm not sure what..I tried a > couple of other installs and got the same 'header is not complete' message..J If you are going through a proxy it is possible to get a damaged or incomplete file in the cache so you get the same thing every time, although this doesn't happen often. If you know the url for the file you can access it in a browser and hold the shift key while you click reload which should request a cache refresh. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Thu Sep 29 16:35:07 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:35:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Restrict Window Managers In-Reply-To: <433BEE7B.60704@shaw.ca> References: <433BEE7B.60704@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <433C17BB.5080504@maltzen.net> The document at http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/icewm.htm is about making IceWM the default WM, but it includes steps on removing the other choices from the login screen. You should be able to adapt the steps that doc so that KDE is the only choice. Petre gKw-X wrote: > When students log in, there is a list of window managers to choose from. > I am going to configure KDE I think, and would like to restrict them > from using any of the others... How can I do this? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Sep 29 16:37:25 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:37:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Restrict Window Managers Message-ID: <20050929093725.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.7a31688d00.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Thanks for the post, I was looking to do the same thing. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Restrict Window Managers > From: Petre Scheie > Date: Thu, September 29, 2005 11:35 am > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > The document at http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/icewm.htm is about making IceWM the > default WM, but it includes steps on removing the other choices from the login screen. > You should be able to adapt the steps that doc so that KDE is the only choice. > > Petre > > gKw-X wrote: > > When students log in, there is a list of window managers to choose from. > > I am going to configure KDE I think, and would like to restrict them > > from using any of the others... How can I do this? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From drloomis at cox-internet.com Thu Sep 29 16:37:40 2005 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Daniel Loomis) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:37:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox Crashing Clients Message-ID: <433C1854.5080904@cox-internet.com> Thanks for all the suggestions on how to address our problems with Firefox crashing clients. I have enabled swap globally and set it for 64m. I also replaced Firefox-1.0.6 with 1.0.3 and reinstalled the flash-plugin. I also discovered that one of our ThinkNICs was getting a little flaky and replaced it with a generic pc. All of our thin client have at least 64mb of ram. Some have 128mb. With the added swap, there should not be any problems with running short on memory. Our preschoolers will be back on Monday. I should find out rather quickly if the changes were effective. I will report on how it goes. Dan -------------- next part -------------- Outgoing mail scanned by Fortigate Anti-Virus From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 17:35:42 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:35:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: acrobat reader plugin crashing firefox x86_64 Message-ID: <9bd3175605092910351f6d56a1@mail.gmail.com> Hey All, I had posted something about this before but I think maybe now I have more specific questions that with your help may get answered. I'm running centos x86_64. I know there aren't 64 bit plugins yet so I did "yum remove firefox" and "yum install firefox.i386". BUT, the Acrobat reader plugin makes the browser *poof* out. By running "firefox -profilemanager" in a terminal I get more info on the problem. firefox -profilemanager UA: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050910 CentOS/1.0.6-1.4.2.centos4.k12ltsp.4.2.1EL Firefox/1.0.6:, extra: Firefox/1.0.6 /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.6/run-mozilla.sh: line 159: 11088 Segmentation fault "$prog" ${1+"$@"} Notice that the UA (I learned that's user agent) is incorrect. When I look at that line in run-mozilla.sh I've found that it's supposed to quit if $MOZ_PROGRAM (which is mozilla-bin) is not executable. Well as it turns out the only mozilla-bin on my system is in /usr/lib64/mozilla-1.7.10. #1 Why is that still there if I removed the 64bit firefox? #2 Why don't I have a mozilla-bin in /usr/lib/mozilla-1.7.10 since I installed firefox.i386? #3 How would you go about fixing this? Thanks a bunch! Peter On 9/7/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey All. > My acrobat reader plugin crashes firefox but works ok standalone. Any > ideas? I'm using Centos4 x86_64 but with firefox.i386. > > Thanks, > Peter > From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 19:30:40 2005 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:30:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM default theme / appearance In-Reply-To: <431DB77D.9080504@maltzen.net> References: <431DB492.8060608@frederic.k12.wi.us> <431DB77D.9080504@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On 9/6/05, Petre Scheie wrote: > Look in /usr/share/icewm/ and you'll see the files that provide the system-side > settings. Users can override these with their own copies of these files in ~/.icewm/. IIRC, I think you want to set these things in /etc/icewm, which will override what's in /usr/share/icewm. It also keeps things when icewm is upgraded -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From scott at hosef.org Thu Sep 29 19:51:33 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:51:33 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <433B0947.2090101@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <1127935011.2647.96.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <433B0947.2090101@hosef.org> Message-ID: <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org> On Wednesday 28 September 2005 11:21 am, R. Scott Belford wrote: > > We have witnessed that the slow loads exist after the first, second, > third, etc. launches. Given the death of this thread, I am assuming that no one else on this list is using the 4.4.1 release in a large lab of 30 computers. Please be advised if you are considering an upgrade that there is a perplexing and unresolved issued with unacceptably slow load times of Open Office. At this point we have to conclude that 4.4.1 is not production ready and will revert the labs to the 4.2.1 release. What is our process for filing 'bugs' so to speak? I believe that it is just to squawk on the list, but is there a more formal way? I'd like to help solve this before anyone else invests time in an upgrade. --scott From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 20:03:17 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:03:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <1127935011.2647.96.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <433B0947.2090101@hosef.org> <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org> Message-ID: <92de6c88050929130369070cfd@mail.gmail.com> On 9/29/05, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Given the death of this thread, I am assuming that no one else on this list is > using the 4.4.1 release in a large lab of 30 computers. Please be advised if > you are considering an upgrade that there is a perplexing and unresolved > issued with unacceptably slow load times of Open Office. At this point we > have to conclude that 4.4.1 is not production ready and will revert the labs > to the 4.2.1 release. Not to butt in, but I think the ball is in your court to provide some more specific data about what is going on in your server as this problem is occurring. Have you even looked at 'top' yet? --Tom From petre at maltzen.net Thu Sep 29 20:04:22 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:04:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <1127935011.2647.96.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <433B0947.2090101@hosef.org> <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org> Message-ID: <433C48C6.407@maltzen.net> Never one to pass up on a chance to beat a dead horse: I looked back through the thread, but some things are unclear to me. Do you see this same lag when just one terminal loads OOo? Say you're the first person of the day to login at a terminal, all other terminals are just showing the login screen; is OOo slow to load in this case? If not, does it slow down when just two or three people try to load it? Does it get slower as more terminals try to simultaneously load it? Or is there a threshold of terminals that must try to open it to make it really bog down (to 8 minutes)? Does it load slowly at the console? I don't have any answers, I'm just looking for clues. Have you mentioned this on any of the OOo lists? Petre R. Scott Belford wrote: > On Wednesday 28 September 2005 11:21 am, R. Scott Belford wrote: > >>We have witnessed that the slow loads exist after the first, second, >>third, etc. launches. > > > > Given the death of this thread, I am assuming that no one else on this list is > using the 4.4.1 release in a large lab of 30 computers. Please be advised if > you are considering an upgrade that there is a perplexing and unresolved > issued with unacceptably slow load times of Open Office. At this point we > have to conclude that 4.4.1 is not production ready and will revert the labs > to the 4.2.1 release. > > What is our process for filing 'bugs' so to speak? I believe that it is just > to squawk on the list, but is there a more formal way? I'd like to help > solve this before anyone else invests time in an upgrade. > > --scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Thu Sep 29 20:15:04 2005 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <1127935011.2647.96.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <433B0947.2090101@hosef.org> <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org> Message-ID: <52661.70.58.177.108.1128024904.squirrel@webmail.lane.k12.or.us> R. Scott Belford wrote: > Given the death of this thread, I am assuming that no one else on this > list is > using the 4.4.1 release in a large lab of 30 computers. FWIW, I'm using 4.4.1 on two servers. One running 52 terminals, and a second identical server running 25. Seems to be working fine. I've had no reports of slowness. -- -Regards- Quentin Hartman Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon V (541)767-3778 F (541)767-3041 www.slane.k12.or.us From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Sep 29 20:17:16 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:17:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <1127935011.2647.96.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <433B0947.2090101@hosef.org> <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org> Message-ID: <433C4BCC.7020209@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> R. Scott Belford wrote: > What is our process for filing 'bugs' so to speak? I believe that it is just > to squawk on the list, but is there a more formal way? I'd like to help > solve this before anyone else invests time in an upgrade. 98% of the packages come from Fedora Core & Fedora Extras. This includes the OpenOffice.org packages. The official Fedora bug reporting mechanism is Red Hat's bugzilla: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/ 1.9% of the remaining packages come from LTSP.org. The official LTSP bug reporting mechanism is the freedesktop.org bugzilla: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/ The remaining 0.1% of packages are unique to K12LTSP. The official K12LTSP bug reporting mechanism is to squawk on the list. Unofficially, very few seem to pay attention to the official mechanisms, except for the last one. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Sep 29 20:24:50 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:24:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <1127935011.2647.96.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <433B0947.2090101@hosef.org> <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org> Message-ID: <433C4D92.5030609@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> R. Scott Belford wrote: > Given the death of this thread, I am assuming that no one else on this list is > using the 4.4.1 release in a large lab of 30 computers. Riverdale is running 4.4.1 on four servers with ~100 terminals. No complaints about slowness from them. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From smooge at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 20:36:59 2005 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:36:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <1127935011.2647.96.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <433B0947.2090101@hosef.org> <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org> Message-ID: <80d7e40905092913362eff552f@mail.gmail.com> On 9/29/05, R. Scott Belford wrote: > On Wednesday 28 September 2005 11:21 am, R. Scott Belford wrote: > > > > We have witnessed that the slow loads exist after the first, second, > > third, etc. launches. > > > Given the death of this thread, I am assuming that no one else on this list is It is usual to consider a thread dead if no one has replied after a week. 24 hours is not a dead thread. Can you answer items from previous emails and some things I just throught of? 1) Have you run prelink? 2) Have you looked in dmesg for error messages about network problems? 3) What is the network backbone of your system? [Switch, hub, gigabit, 10mbit, etc?] OOfice is a large app with a lot of window touching... network mismatches between the server or clients and switch can show up on this and not other apps. 4) What does top/ps say? > using the 4.4.1 release in a large lab of 30 computers. Please be advised if > you are considering an upgrade that there is a perplexing and unresolved -- Stephen J Smoogen. CSIRT/Linux System Administrator From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu Sep 29 21:06:18 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:06:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sendmail configs using webmin on thick clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <433C574A.5090407@stmarys-school.org> Steve Hampton wrote: > Hi Group, snip--------------------> > > Or if I am going about this all wrong and there is a much easier way > to have the students send messages to each other and myself on a > hybrid thin and thick client k12 lan I am all ears. Thanks. > Steve, I thought the following might be of interest to you. http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_fedora_core_3_p4 John From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu Sep 29 21:10:44 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:10:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sendmail configs using webmin on thick clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <433C5854.3080302@stmarys-school.org> Steve Hampton wrote: > Hi Group, > > > Or if I am going about this all wrong and there is a much easier way > to have the students send messages to each other and myself on a > hybrid thin and thick client k12 lan I am all ears. Thanks. > snip---------> Here is the FC4 version of my previous post. John From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Sep 29 21:29:14 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:29:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin LTSP module Message-ID: <20050929142914.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.6d33ebf737.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> I am a big fan of Webmin, easy remote admin. Has anyone heard of a module being developed for LTSP? If not and there is an interest, I will volunteer to develop one. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us From scott at hosef.org Thu Sep 29 21:43:39 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:43:39 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <80d7e40905092913362eff552f@mail.gmail.com> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org> <80d7e40905092913362eff552f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200509291143.39602.scott@hosef.org> On Thursday 29 September 2005 10:36 am, Stephen J. Smoogen wrote: > > It is usual to consider a thread dead if no one has replied after a > week. 24 hours is not a dead thread. Can you answer items from > previous emails and some things I just throught of? Thanks for the insight, Stephen. My apologies for the pre-mature death declaration. I think that I have taken care of other background questions. The important fact is that both labs have run great with prior 4.x releases. A volunteer at one school has installed 4.2.1 a few times now just to be certain that the issue followed the 4.4.1 release. Our vision is to enable schools to utilize free software in a thin-client environment and to do it in a self-sustaining, student-involving manner. When the end user witnesses a degradation in performance from an upgrade, they blame the upgrade and lose confidence in the product. Fortunately, I am not the end user. > > 1) Have you run prelink? I will have this done. However, if it was never needed with 4.2.1, why do we need to ask a teacher to do this? > 2) Have you looked in dmesg for error messages about network problems? Doubtful that any network issues exist given the prior performance of the hardware. > 3) What is the network backbone of your system? [Switch, hub, gigabit, > 10mbit, etc?] OOfice is a large app with a lot of window touching... > network mismatches between the server or clients and switch can show > up on this and not other apps. Gig uplink to a gig switch. I don't see this as an issue. I am intrigued by Les' suggestion that /home be on a separate drive array. It does not explain why the problem exists with 4.4.1, but perhaps it is design function of OO version 2. > 4) What does top/ps say? I am asking a school to do this for us. Asking an overworked teacher, though, to coordinate this while managing 30 students is, well, overwhelming. We will likely have to get a volunteer on site for this. > > -- > Stephen J Smoogen. > CSIRT/Linux System Administrator --scott From smooge at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 21:53:00 2005 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:53:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <200509291143.39602.scott@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org> <80d7e40905092913362eff552f@mail.gmail.com> <200509291143.39602.scott@hosef.org> Message-ID: <80d7e40905092914535af9ffd1@mail.gmail.com> On 9/29/05, R. Scott Belford wrote: > On Thursday 29 September 2005 10:36 am, Stephen J. Smoogen wrote: > > > > It is usual to consider a thread dead if no one has replied after a > > week. 24 hours is not a dead thread. Can you answer items from > > previous emails and some things I just throught of? > > Thanks for the insight, Stephen. My apologies for the pre-mature death > declaration. I think that I have taken care of other background questions. > The important fact is that both labs have run great with prior 4.x releases. > A volunteer at one school has installed 4.2.1 a few times now just to be > certain that the issue followed the 4.4.1 release. > > Our vision is to enable schools to utilize free software in a thin-client > environment and to do it in a self-sustaining, student-involving manner. > When the end user witnesses a degradation in performance from an upgrade, > they blame the upgrade and lose confidence in the product. Fortunately, I am > not the end user. > > > > > 1) Have you run prelink? > > I will have this done. However, if it was never needed with 4.2.1, why do we > need to ask a teacher to do this? > You shouldnt have to. However there are cases where it might have run (system shutdown or errors). > > 2) Have you looked in dmesg for error messages about network problems? > > Doubtful that any network issues exist given the prior performance of the > hardware. > There are kernel and library changes between the two. I have had problems with a broadcom working in FedCore 3 and not in FedCore 4 because of this. > > 3) What is the network backbone of your system? [Switch, hub, gigabit, > > 10mbit, etc?] OOfice is a large app with a lot of window touching... > > network mismatches between the server or clients and switch can show > > up on this and not other apps. > > Gig uplink to a gig switch. I don't see this as an issue. > Never underestimate the stupidity of drivers or switches. I have had to toggle as many gigE to gigE ports on switches as I have had with 100mbit. Some of them were problems with the network drivers.. some with bios problems with machines, and some with changes in the switch. The box would show crap problems and it was because it had re-negotiated to 100mbit half (this is with copper.. fibre is a different matter). Heck I had one problem that turned out to be a bad cable. Worked great with an older version of Fed and then an upgrade started giving me crap. We put the cable through a tester and found it had a miniscule break half-way through. Why it worked before so great.. no idea. -- Stephen J Smoogen. CSIRT/Linux System Administrator From christiang020 at yahoo.es Thu Sep 29 22:02:50 2005 From: christiang020 at yahoo.es (Christian =?iso-8859-1?q?Gonz=E1lez?= G.) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 18:02:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin LTSP module In-Reply-To: <20050929142914.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.6d33ebf737.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050929142914.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.6d33ebf737.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <200509291802.51598.christiang020@yahoo.es> El Jue 29 Sep 2005 17:29, rmcdaniel at indata.us escribi?: > I am a big fan of Webmin, easy remote admin. Has anyone heard of a > module being developed for LTSP? If not and there is an interest, I > will volunteer to develop one. Symbiont Workstation Manager: http://www.thesymbiont.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=90&Itemid=116 BTW, I'm developing a PyGTK based program called LTSP-ThinAdmin. I'd *really* apreciate if you (or anybody) could help me on my work ;-). http://ltsp-thinadmin.sourceforge.net (Sorry for this off-topic.) -- Christian Gonz?lez G. Instituto de Inform?tica Educativa Universidad de la Frontera ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es From les at futuresource.com Thu Sep 29 22:31:13 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:31:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <200509291143.39602.scott@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org> <80d7e40905092913362eff552f@mail.gmail.com> <200509291143.39602.scott@hosef.org> Message-ID: <1128033072.22046.180.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 16:43, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Our vision is to enable schools to utilize free software in a thin-client > environment and to do it in a self-sustaining, student-involving manner. > When the end user witnesses a degradation in performance from an upgrade, > they blame the upgrade and lose confidence in the product. Fortunately, I am > not the end user. I think, based on looking back at your servers specs and what others have said about performance, that you have some unusual problem. But on a general note, the 4.4.1 release is based on Fedora FC4 which is a distribution aimed at pushing out very new code with all of the tradeoffs that implies. A surprise here and there is not unusual. If you aren't comfortable with that or you are recommending this for people who aren't prepared for surprises, a more conservative choice would the the 4.2.1EL released based on Centos4. Your OO will be older but the kernel / device drivers will be much better tested. And back to basics: have you run 'yum update' recently or is this straight off the CD's? Also was this done as an upgrade from the earlier version or a fresh install? > > 1) Have you run prelink? > > I will have this done. However, if it was never needed with 4.2.1, why do we > need to ask a teacher to do this? It shouldn't be necessary, but that might be the problem. > > 2) Have you looked in dmesg for error messages about network problems? > > Doubtful that any network issues exist given the prior performance of the > hardware. Remember that all of your drivers are different. And since your performance seems much worse than others this could be the problem. > > 3) What is the network backbone of your system? [Switch, hub, gigabit, > > 10mbit, etc?] OOfice is a large app with a lot of window touching... > > network mismatches between the server or clients and switch can show > > up on this and not other apps. > > Gig uplink to a gig switch. I don't see this as an issue. A duplex mismatch is a killer. mii-tool or ethtool will show the Linux side. If the switch is managed you can see that as well. If it isn't, there may be status lights. You want full duplex and the gig speed at both sides. > I am intrigued by Les' suggestion that /home be on a separate drive array. It > does not explain why the problem exists with 4.4.1, but perhaps it is design > function of OO version 2. That was before I saw you had 4 gigs ram/scsi drives. Head contention is still an issue but I think you have some other problem. > > 4) What does top/ps say? > > I am asking a school to do this for us. Asking an overworked teacher, though, > to coordinate this while managing 30 students is, well, overwhelming. We > will likely have to get a volunteer on site for this. Can you ssh into the box yourself? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Sep 29 22:43:48 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 18:43:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: acrobat reader plugin crashing firefox x86_64 In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605092910351f6d56a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605092910351f6d56a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560509291543459d57a7@mail.gmail.com> Installing the redhat firefox version fixed it. Thanks anyway! On 9/29/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey All, > I had posted something about this before but I think maybe now I have > more specific questions that with your help may get answered. I'm > running centos x86_64. I know there aren't 64 bit plugins yet so I did > "yum remove firefox" and "yum install firefox.i386". > BUT, the Acrobat reader plugin makes the browser *poof* out. By > running "firefox -profilemanager" in a terminal I get more info on the > problem. > > firefox -profilemanager > UA: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; rv:1.7.10) > Gecko/20050910 CentOS/1.0.6-1.4.2.centos4.k12ltsp.4.2.1EL > Firefox/1.0.6:, extra: Firefox/1.0.6 > /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.6/run-mozilla.sh: line 159: 11088 Segmentation > fault "$prog" ${1+"$@"} > > Notice that the UA (I learned that's user agent) is incorrect. When I > look at that line in run-mozilla.sh I've found that it's supposed to > quit if $MOZ_PROGRAM (which is mozilla-bin) is not executable. Well > as it turns out the only mozilla-bin on my system is in > /usr/lib64/mozilla-1.7.10. #1 Why is that still there if I removed > the 64bit firefox? #2 Why don't I have a mozilla-bin in > /usr/lib/mozilla-1.7.10 since I installed firefox.i386? #3 How would > you go about fixing this? > > Thanks a bunch! > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/7/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Hey All. > > My acrobat reader plugin crashes firefox but works ok standalone. Any > > ideas? I'm using Centos4 x86_64 but with firefox.i386. > > > > Thanks, > > Peter > > > From SelzlerB at esuhsd.org Thu Sep 29 22:42:18 2005 From: SelzlerB at esuhsd.org (Selzler, Bruce) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:42:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticating from an OSX LDAP Server Message-ID: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEFB0DDA7@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Hello Team, I have a k12LTSP server running as a "stand alone" server with local authentication. I want to change the authentication method to LDAP services being run on an OSX server (Tiger). I'm entering what I believe to be the correct server information in the Gnome authentication module. However it doesn't seem to authenticate. Although there is an odd twist to this. I have an account with the same username on both servers. "selzlerb". On the k12ltsp server the password for this (local) account is different from the password on the OSX server. I can log on to the LTSP server with the username and the password from the OSX (remote) server. Doing this had me thinking it was actually working. But I can't log on to any other account that should be authenticated via the OSX server. Anyone have any advice? Let me know what you think. - Sez ********************************************* Bruce Selzler Digital High School Resource Teacher http://www.mindsinsight.com http://homepage.mac.com/sez selzlerb at esuhsd.org sez at mac.com office:(408) 347.4936 cell: (408) 893.6161 ************************************************ From scott at hosef.org Thu Sep 29 23:51:42 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:51:42 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <80d7e40905092914535af9ffd1@mail.gmail.com> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <200509291143.39602.scott@hosef.org> <80d7e40905092914535af9ffd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200509291351.43214.scott@hosef.org> On Thursday 29 September 2005 11:53 am, Stephen J. Smoogen wrote: > > > > > 1) Have you run prelink? > > > > I will have this done. However, if it was never needed with 4.2.1, why > > do we need to ask a teacher to do this? > > You shouldnt have to. However there are cases where it might have run > (system shutdown or errors). Thanks for the insight, Stephen. This is a good point. We are eliminating the variable now. > > > > 2) Have you looked in dmesg for error messages about network problems? > > > > Doubtful that any network issues exist given the prior performance of the > > hardware. > > There are kernel and library changes between the two. I have had > problems with a broadcom working in FedCore 3 and not in FedCore 4 > because of this. Yes. It was a bit optimistic to presume that we are error free. This is being checked. > > > > 3) What is the network backbone of your system? [Switch, hub, gigabit, > > > 10mbit, etc?] OOfice is a large app with a lot of window touching... > > > network mismatches between the server or clients and switch can show > > > up on this and not other apps. > > > > Gig uplink to a gig switch. I don't see this as an issue. > > Never underestimate the stupidity of drivers or switches. I have had > to toggle as many gigE to gigE ports on switches as I have had with > 100mbit. Some of them were problems with the network drivers.. some > with bios problems with machines, and some with changes in the switch. > The box would show crap problems and it was because it had > re-negotiated to 100mbit half (this is with copper.. fibre is a > different matter). > > Heck I had one problem that turned out to be a bad cable. Worked great > with an older version of Fed and then an upgrade started giving me > crap. We put the cable through a tester and found it had a miniscule > break half-way through. Why it worked before so great.. no idea. Mercy. The mysteries of electricity. I better understand, now, why I should not assume that things are as they seem. Thanks for the stories and for keeping me from overlooking the potentially obvious. > > -- > Stephen J Smoogen. > CSIRT/Linux System Administrator --scott From scott at hosef.org Thu Sep 29 23:52:31 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:52:31 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <1128033072.22046.180.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <200509291143.39602.scott@hosef.org> <1128033072.22046.180.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <200509291352.31706.scott@hosef.org> On Thursday 29 September 2005 12:31 pm, you wrote: > > I think, based on looking back at your servers specs and what others > have said about performance, that you have some unusual problem. But > on a general note, the 4.4.1 release is based on Fedora FC4 which is > a distribution aimed at pushing out very new code with all of the > tradeoffs that implies. A surprise here and there is not unusual. If > you aren't comfortable with that or you are recommending this for > people who aren't prepared for surprises, a more conservative choice > would the the 4.2.1EL released based on Centos4. Your OO will be older > but the kernel / device drivers will be much better tested. Thanks, Les. Appropriate observations. It was uncharacteristic of me to push for the 'latest and greatest', but I like the number 4, and it seemed so timely to get in an upgrade before the school year that could last for the year. With the expanding distro choices, it is time to test some other alternatives and to do our part in the edubuntu development. > > And back to basics: have you run 'yum update' recently or is this > straight off the CD's? Also was this done as an upgrade from > the earlier version or a fresh install? We have eliminated this variable by witnessing the problem on an upgraded install and a fresh install. I really, really hoped a failure to upgrade was the culprit, but the volunteer assures us that the problem persisted after a yum update. > > > > 1) Have you run prelink? > > > > I will have this done. However, if it was never needed with 4.2.1, why > > do we need to ask a teacher to do this? > > It shouldn't be necessary, but that might be the problem. This is being done now. > > > > 2) Have you looked in dmesg for error messages about network problems? > > > > Doubtful that any network issues exist given the prior performance of the > > hardware. > > Remember that all of your drivers are different. And since your > performance seems much worse than others this could be the problem. Yeah. After all that I have learned about kernel changes affecting NFS, it is a bit foolhardy to overlook these changes. Thanks. > > > > 3) What is the network backbone of your system? [Switch, hub, gigabit, > > > 10mbit, etc?] OOfice is a large app with a lot of window touching... > > > network mismatches between the server or clients and switch can show > > > up on this and not other apps. > > > > Gig uplink to a gig switch. I don't see this as an issue. > > A duplex mismatch is a killer. mii-tool or ethtool will show the > Linux side. If the switch is managed you can see that as well. If > it isn't, there may be status lights. You want full duplex and the > gig speed at both sides. This is being checked by faithful HOSEF volunteer, Ron. > > > I am intrigued by Les' suggestion that /home be on a separate drive > > array. It does not explain why the problem exists with 4.4.1, but > > perhaps it is design function of OO version 2. > > That was before I saw you had 4 gigs ram/scsi drives. Head contention > is still an issue but I think you have some other problem. Good to know. > > > > 4) What does top/ps say? > > > > I am asking a school to do this for us. Asking an overworked teacher, > > though, to coordinate this while managing 30 students is, well, > > overwhelming. We will likely have to get a volunteer on site for this. > > Can you ssh into the box yourself? Not as easily as usual given that I did not follow the standard HOSEF install steps of setting up logwatch to mail a group of us with relevant information. This is being resolved and we'll have some information soon, maybe today, since it is still only 1:45 here. --scott From samps at unplugd.com Fri Sep 30 00:09:22 2005 From: samps at unplugd.com (Samps) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:39:22 +0930 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <1128033072.22046.180.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org><80d7e40905092913362eff552f@mail.gmail.com><200509291143.39602.scott@hosef.org> <1128033072.22046.180.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <27296.203.122.254.26.1128038962.squirrel@www.redjocks.com> I'd like to add a few more facets to this problem. Long time ago, in what I believe was back in the early K12LTSP 4.x days and definately in the OOo 1.1.x era, I experienced a similar problem and asked this list for help. The replys I got then suggested that it be a DNS error (which has also been suggested this time around) but I left that school before I could find out whether it was one or the other. Now I've got the "slow opening OOo" problem again. This time around with OOo almost 2 and latest release of K12LTSP (4.4.1 I think).... but... the problem only exist at school! I have an installation at home, same versions, running as intended, and an installation at school that doesn't. Both installations have been customised as far as package selection goes and the school has /home mounted on a different server (it was 'slow-starting OOo before the /homes got "outsourced", so I'll rule that out as a contributor to the problem). Both installations have two 100Mb NICs, one is on-board, the other is Intel EtherExpress Pro100 (home) and Netgear FA310TX (school). Last week I rebuilt the home installation to use two 1Gb Netgear NICs (with the on-board one disabled) and it still worked as intended. The home installation is totally secluded from the world. No Internet, no LAN, no nothing. Not even a cable in that NIC. The school one is connected to a LAN, getting its address from a Windows DHCP server or an SME 6.5 server. The LAN is guarded by some heavy firewalling, keeping the Internet at arms length, making me think in terms of authentication problems, DNS problems, deliberate harassment from the firewall manufacturer and other slightly obscure stuff. Round-up: I have done quite a few installations of K12LTSP so far and I've experienced this problem only when on an Internet connected LAN. I have seen it happen with more versions of K12LTSP and OOo, and I've seen it work with all of the versions I've tried as well. I am open to suggestions and willing to try them out on a real life school network production server (we have two weeks holidays coming up). cheers Samps -- Share your knowledge - We do! http://unplugd.com/junkyard From danielmyoung at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 00:11:06 2005 From: danielmyoung at gmail.com (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:11:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Restart all clients In-Reply-To: <1249B1B01D2A444490F78C240418EA54739BCC@dcedcf05.dccentral> References: <1249B1B01D2A444490F78C240418EA54739BCC@dcedcf05.dccentral> Message-ID: <2e42bd9b05092917111c5f1e1c@mail.gmail.com> On 9/28/05, Jeffrey Myers wrote: > Is there a command to restart all LTSP clients.? Thanks /usr/sbin/gdm-restart should restart all sessions, though it won't actually reboot the terminal. -- Dan Young From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Sep 30 00:34:04 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:34:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <27296.203.122.254.26.1128038962.squirrel@www.redjocks.com> References: <27296.203.122.254.26.1128038962.squirrel@www.redjocks.com> Message-ID: I can almost guarantee it's DNS related. Here's how I know. Last year I ran my system with Samba/LDAP..../home on another server exported to and mounted on the K12LTSP servers....AND I ran DHCP from another FC 1 server. With this setup...everything worked fine except OO was slow to load....not 8 mins, but close to a minute or so. This year...I am still running Samba/LDAP....BUT the major difference is that DHCP is now back on the K12LTSP boxes (I have two running in dhcp failover/load balance mode)....now Open Office opens within seconds. Even 25 at a time! "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, September 29, 2005 at 8:09 PM +0000 wrote: >I'd like to add a few more facets to this problem. > >Long time ago, in what I believe was back in the early K12LTSP 4.x days >and definately in the OOo 1.1.x era, I experienced a similar problem and >asked this list for help. > >The replys I got then suggested that it be a DNS error (which has also >been suggested this time around) but I left that school before I could >find out whether it was one or the other. > >Now I've got the "slow opening OOo" problem again. This time around with >OOo almost 2 and latest release of K12LTSP (4.4.1 I think).... but... the >problem only exist at school! >I have an installation at home, same versions, running as intended, and an >installation at school that doesn't. >Both installations have been customised as far as package selection goes >and the school has /home mounted on a different server (it was >'slow-starting OOo before the /homes got "outsourced", so I'll rule that >out as a contributor to the problem). >Both installations have two 100Mb NICs, one is on-board, the other is >Intel EtherExpress Pro100 (home) and Netgear FA310TX (school). >Last week I rebuilt the home installation to use two 1Gb Netgear NICs >(with the on-board one disabled) and it still worked as intended. >The home installation is totally secluded from the world. No Internet, no >LAN, no nothing. Not even a cable in that NIC. >The school one is connected to a LAN, getting its address from a Windows >DHCP server or an SME 6.5 server. The LAN is guarded by some heavy >firewalling, keeping the Internet at arms length, making me think in terms >of authentication problems, DNS problems, deliberate harassment from the >firewall manufacturer and other slightly obscure stuff. > >Round-up: I have done quite a few installations of K12LTSP so far and I've >experienced this problem only when on an Internet connected LAN. I have >seen it happen with more versions of K12LTSP and OOo, and I've seen it >work with all of the versions I've tried as well. > >I am open to suggestions and willing to try them out on a real life school >network production server (we have two weeks holidays coming up). > > >cheers >Samps > > > >-- >Share your knowledge - We do! >http://unplugd.com/junkyard > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Sep 30 00:36:02 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:36:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin LTSP module In-Reply-To: <20050929142914.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.6d33ebf737.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050929142914.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.6d33ebf737.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, September 29, 2005 at 5:29 PM +0000 wrote: >I am a big fan of Webmin, easy remote admin. Has anyone heard of a >module being developed for LTSP? If not and there is an interest, I >will volunteer to develop one. > >Ron > > >Ronald R. McDaniel >Conecuh County Schools >(251) 578-7073 x26 >(251) 230-0658 cell >rmcdaniel at indata.us > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see There already is one...though a bit dated....or you can simply use Symbiont...which I believe is a collection of Webmin mods in fancy clothing. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Sep 30 00:36:02 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:36:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin LTSP module In-Reply-To: <20050929142914.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.6d33ebf737.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20050929142914.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.6d33ebf737.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, September 29, 2005 at 5:29 PM +0000 wrote: >I am a big fan of Webmin, easy remote admin. Has anyone heard of a >module being developed for LTSP? If not and there is an interest, I >will volunteer to develop one. > >Ron > > >Ronald R. McDaniel >Conecuh County Schools >(251) 578-7073 x26 >(251) 230-0658 cell >rmcdaniel at indata.us > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see There already is one...though a bit dated....or you can simply use Symbiont...which I believe is a collection of Webmin mods in fancy clothing. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Sep 30 00:37:19 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:37:19 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticating from an OSX LDAP Server Message-ID: <200509300248.j8U2mCB16904@downeast.net> Are there any logfiles to look at inosx? can you increase loglevel??change the types of logging info? do a slapcat? run ethereal and read the packets?? all these would help narrow down what is going on..let us know more !! chuck > Hello Team, > > I have a k12LTSP server running as a "stand alone" server with local > authentication. I want to change the authentication method to LDAP > services being run on an OSX server (Tiger). > > I'm entering what I believe to be the correct server information in the > Gnome authentication module. However it doesn't seem to authenticate. > Although there is an odd twist to this. > > I have an account with the same username on both servers. "selzlerb". > On the k12ltsp server the password for this (local) account is different > from the password on the OSX server. I can log on to the LTSP server > with the username and the password from the OSX (remote) server. > > Doing this had me thinking it was actually working. But I can't log on > to any other account that should be authenticated via the OSX server. > Anyone have any advice? > > Let me know what you think. > > - Sez > > ********************************************* > Bruce Selzler > Digital High School Resource Teacher > http://www.mindsinsight.com > http://homepage.mac.com/sez > selzlerb at esuhsd.org > sez at mac.com > office:(408) 347.4936 > cell: (408) 893.6161 > ************************************************ > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Sep 30 01:12:04 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 18:12:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin LTSP module Message-ID: <20050929181204.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.e263770f30.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> I looked at ThinAdmin the other day. It looks great. I would like to develop a plugin for webmin so that I can do other admin duties along with thin client stuff on our 8 sites all from the same web interface. My super users like the Usermin interface that I allow them to add/delete user accounts for their school. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Webmin LTSP module > From: "Christian Gonz?lez G." > Date: Thu, September 29, 2005 5:02 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > El Jue 29 Sep 2005 17:29, rmcdaniel at indata.us escribi?: > > I am a big fan of Webmin, easy remote admin. Has anyone heard of a > > module being developed for LTSP? If not and there is an interest, I > > will volunteer to develop one. > > Symbiont Workstation Manager: > > http://www.thesymbiont.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=90&Itemid=116 > > BTW, I'm developing a PyGTK based program called LTSP-ThinAdmin. I'd *really* > apreciate if you (or anybody) could help me on my work ;-). > > http://ltsp-thinadmin.sourceforge.net > > (Sorry for this off-topic.) > -- > Christian Gonz?lez G. > Instituto de Inform?tica Educativa > Universidad de la Frontera > > > > > ______________________________________________ > Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! > Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad > http://correo.yahoo.es > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 02:35:22 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:05:22 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: References: <27296.203.122.254.26.1128038962.squirrel@www.redjocks.com> Message-ID: <774593a20509291935g3ffd94b1hda84b09522bf1875@mail.gmail.com> On 9/30/05, David Trask wrote: > I can almost guarantee it's DNS related. Here's how I know. Last year I > ran my system with Samba/LDAP..../home on another server exported to and [SNIP] 1. OO1.02 had the problem of font caching and by removing/deleting font cache under /home/user/OO..whatever resolved problem of slow opening till font cache became large again. 2. OP has not still shared results of top when class is opening the OO and it is slow. 3. what is the result of $hdparm -Tt /dev/"yourdisk9s)" Some of the MoBo have disk chip sets that are horribly slow in linux. 4. Is there are repeated error / warning in /var/log/messages Run $tail -f /var/log/messages while opening OO 5. Yes switches can be a pain. I have had a 24 port switch from same company which had first and last eight connections working fine but connection numbers 9~16 were only working at 10mbps! Run iptraf or ibmonitor to see network traffic in real time when OO is launched. Thread is dead only if inputs are not available. And smetime you still need to google and google and keep scratching you head for that flash of insight. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From gkw-x at shaw.ca Fri Sep 30 02:37:11 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 19:37:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Restrict Window Managers In-Reply-To: <433C17BB.5080504@maltzen.net> References: <433BEE7B.60704@shaw.ca> <433C17BB.5080504@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <433CA4D7.6090601@shaw.ca> Thanks, I'll try it out! Petre Scheie wrote: > The document at http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/icewm.htm is about > making IceWM the default WM, but it includes steps on removing the other > choices from the login screen. You should be able to adapt the steps > that doc so that KDE is the only choice. > > Petre > > gKw-X wrote: > >> When students log in, there is a list of window managers to choose >> from. I am going to configure KDE I think, and would like to restrict >> them from using any of the others... How can I do this? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From gkw-x at shaw.ca Fri Sep 30 02:43:45 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 19:43:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts In-Reply-To: <433B95D2.90006@unplugd.com> References: <433B90D0.2010407@shaw.ca> <433B95D2.90006@unplugd.com> Message-ID: <433CA661.2060909@shaw.ca> I went in today and ran my script. It appeared to create all of the accounts and groups properly - I went into the users and groups manager ui and they were all there. However, I couldn't log in to them from client machines. If I manually create an account through the ui, I can log in to it, but if I use the useradd command I can't. Is there some extra step to notify K12LTSP about the new accounts? Samps wrote: > gKw-X wrote: > >> I need to create a large number of accounts. I've whipped up a program >> to generate a script from a text list of students. What it generates >> looks like this: >> >> groupadd "Grade3" >> groupadd "Grade2" >> groupadd "Grade1" >> groupadd "Grade6" >> groupadd "Grade7" >> groupadd "Grade4" >> groupadd "GradeK" >> groupadd "Grade5" >> useradd -c "Kayla Abad" -d /home/kabad -g Grade3 kabad -p kaab >> >> Etc, one useradd line for each student. Does that look correct? I'm >> still new to linux, how can I run this script? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> >> > Add a line at the top of your script to tell it where to find its > command interpreter: > > #! /bin/bash > groupadd "Grade3" > groupadd "Grade2" > groupadd "Grade1" > groupadd "Grade6" > > (you can find the name of your shell (/bin/bash) by typing echo $SHELL > on a commandline) > > save your script and make it executable by changing its attributes: > > chmod +x yourscript > > or > > chmod +x /path/to/yourscript > > if you're not "standing right next to it" > > > run it by typing : > > /path/to/yourscript > > or > > ./yourscript > > if you're able to "see" it from where you are... > > cheers > Samps > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From gkw-x at shaw.ca Fri Sep 30 03:13:06 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:13:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] KDE popups Message-ID: <433CAD42.1070003@shaw.ca> When I start KDE there are a couple popups that appear... One says "kwrited - Listening on Device /dev/pts/3", the other says "Error while initializing sound driver device /dev/dsp can't be opened". I actually don't know if the machines even have sound, I assume that error means they don't. How can I get rid of these? I don't want the students to see them every time. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Sep 30 03:25:44 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 23:25:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts In-Reply-To: <433CA661.2060909@shaw.ca> References: <433B90D0.2010407@shaw.ca> <433B95D2.90006@unplugd.com> <433CA661.2060909@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1128050744.4045.176.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> No, there isn't. I never use the GUI on any GNU/Linux or BSD box to administer user accounts. I would make three modifications right away to your script, though. 1.) It should use the uppercase "G" parameter instead of the lowercase "g" parameter. Red Hat-based distros, including Fedora Core, will by default put the userID in a "private group" with the same name as the userID. Once I got used to it, I realized that this is a Good Thing (TM) for both security and future maintenance purposes. For example, next year, when Kayla Abad and her classmates go to Grade 4, you don't have to touch every userID in /etc/passwd (DANGEROUS!!!), but rather just rename the group "Grade3" to "Grade4" in /etc/group (MUCH safer and MUCH easier). 2.) The "p" parameter needs to come before the userID. You have it afterward, so you may well be making a userID of "kabad -p kaab", which, I'm fairly confident, was not your intention. The other possibility is that you got a parsing error. I'd have to try it out on a test box to make sure which possibility actually takes place. You might want to look at your /etc/passwd file to find out what's going on. 3.) The "m" parameter should be used instead of the "d" parameter. The "d" parameter, I've learned, works if the specified directory is already created. But what if it isn't? The "m" parameter handles this. If the specified home directory (in your example, /home/kabad) doesn't already exist, then useradd will go ahead and make it for you. If it does exist, useradd will simply use the existing one. Yes, there are in fact special cases in which the "d" parameter would come in handy. But I think you really want "m". Anyway, your useradd command to create the users should look like this: useradd -c "Kayla Abad" -m /home/kabad -G Grade3 -p kaab kabad I notice that you're generating the userID, home directory, and password from differing parts of the student's first and last name. If you have a flat text file with each child's first and last name, you actually can get fancy and generate the userIDs, home directories, and passwords in a shell script as well. See the Advanced BASH Scripting Guide (http://www.tldp.org) for more details. --TP On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 19:43 -0700, gKw-X wrote: > I went in today and ran my script. It appeared to create all of the > accounts and groups properly - I went into the users and groups manager > ui and they were all there. However, I couldn't log in to them from > client machines. If I manually create an account through the ui, I can > log in to it, but if I use the useradd command I can't. Is there some > extra step to notify K12LTSP about the new accounts? > > Samps wrote: > > gKw-X wrote: > > > >> I need to create a large number of accounts. I've whipped up a program > >> to generate a script from a text list of students. What it generates > >> looks like this: > >> > >> groupadd "Grade3" > >> groupadd "Grade2" > >> groupadd "Grade1" > >> groupadd "Grade6" > >> groupadd "Grade7" > >> groupadd "Grade4" > >> groupadd "GradeK" > >> groupadd "Grade5" > >> useradd -c "Kayla Abad" -d /home/kabad -g Grade3 kabad -p kaab > >> > >> Etc, one useradd line for each student. Does that look correct? I'm > >> still new to linux, how can I run this script? > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Add a line at the top of your script to tell it where to find its > > command interpreter: > > > > #! /bin/bash > > groupadd "Grade3" > > groupadd "Grade2" > > groupadd "Grade1" > > groupadd "Grade6" > > > > (you can find the name of your shell (/bin/bash) by typing echo $SHELL > > on a commandline) > > > > save your script and make it executable by changing its attributes: > > > > chmod +x yourscript > > > > or > > > > chmod +x /path/to/yourscript > > > > if you're not "standing right next to it" > > > > > > run it by typing : > > > > /path/to/yourscript > > > > or > > > > ./yourscript > > > > if you're able to "see" it from where you are... > > > > cheers > > Samps > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I actually > don't know if the machines even have sound, I assume that error means > they don't. How can I get rid of these? I don't want the students to see > them every time. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 03:49:45 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 23:49:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] F1_TeacherTool, creating launch button In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd317560509292049g7d896812x4910891afe8f5d7f@mail.gmail.com> Hey Robert, Thanks for Fl_TeacherTool. This looks really cool! Is there any way to use this with sudo? Thanks, Peter On 9/19/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 9/19/05, Steve Hampton wrote: > > > > Hi List, > > I have recently downloaded and installed the F1_TeacherTool and it is a > > wonderful little app. I have run into a minor little problem that I can't > > seem to over come being a newbie and all. After installation when I type: > > F1_TeacherTool > > from a root prompt the program will not run, I recieve a command not found > > response. However if I type in the full directory path: > > /usr/local/sbin/F1_TeacherTool > > the program launches just fine but it does give me a warning in the shell > > window which says: > > warning, got duplicate tcp line. > > I have tried creating an alias in the .bashrc file and also a launcher icon > > on the Gnome menu both times using the full path name as entries but both of > > these attempts have failed. When I create the alias and the launcher icon > > and try to use them I get a command not found response. I am assuming that I > > have something wrong in my path configurations, but I don't really > > understand well enough to know what to do to fix it. I would just like to > > be able to make an icon on my gnome desktop menu that would launch F1. > > Thanks for any help. > > Easy answer. It's Fl_ not F1_ . I decided to call it Fl_TeacherTool > because I did not want it to be confused with the original TeacherTool > and I also wanted people to know that I was using FLTK . Also if you > dowloaded it the first day I released it (last week thursday) try > downloading it again as I fixed a bug which caused users to show up > more than once. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 05:11:20 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:11:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] F1_TeacherTool, creating launch button In-Reply-To: <9bd317560509292049g7d896812x4910891afe8f5d7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560509292049g7d896812x4910891afe8f5d7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 9/29/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey Robert, > Thanks for Fl_TeacherTool. This looks really cool! Is there any way > to use this with sudo? > I'm going to spend some time next week trying to figure out how to setup sudo and sudoers so teachers without root access can run Fl_TeacherTool. When I figure it out I will put up a how-to on the Fl_TeacherTool site. http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz Fri Sep 30 07:41:57 2005 From: pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz (Paul Satherley) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:41:57 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <1127935011.2647.96.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <433B0947.2090101@hosef.org> <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org> Message-ID: <433CEC45.8030600@tclcommunications.co.nz> R. Scott Belford wrote: >On Wednesday 28 September 2005 11:21 am, R. Scott Belford wrote: > > >>We have witnessed that the slow loads exist after the first, second, >>third, etc. launches. >> >> Its interesting to note that the frusrtating slowness of open office 2 to load is also apparent with the win32 release ?? (only one user) go figure? Paul From espen at hertervik.net Fri Sep 30 07:12:02 2005 From: espen at hertervik.net (Espen Vorland) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:12:02 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound bug? Message-ID: <20050930070401.M57339@hertervik.net> We have some strange behaviour regarding sound, running K12LTSP release 4.4.1-3. Eabeling sound in lts.conf, and setting SOUND_DAEMON to "esd" gives the users sound when playing a test file (using the command esdplay /usr/lib/openal/boom.wav), but the Flash-hack doesn't seem to work: Setting REMOTE_SOUND_HACKS=YES in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp does not have any effect at all, due to an error in the cron script /etc/cron.hourly/ltsp_esd_hack. This script sources the /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp config file, but refers to the variable as $FLASH_SOUND_HACK. Hence, the /tmp/.esd directory and the files therein are never created. -- Vennlig hilsen Espen Vorland From georgee831 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 30 09:05:27 2005 From: georgee831 at yahoo.com (Emmanuel Edemo) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 02:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Webmin LTSP module In-Reply-To: <20050929142914.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.6d33ebf737.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20050930090527.20613.qmail@web50513.mail.yahoo.com> Please, I will be interested to get some manuels from you because right now i am running LTSP Web-Admin in one of the labs in my school. Pls, i really want to inprove my skills in LTSP thin-Client thanks. Emmanuel >From Nigeria --- rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > I am a big fan of Webmin, easy remote admin. Has > anyone heard of a > module being developed for LTSP? If not and there > is an interest, I > will volunteer to develop one. > > Ron > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From brr at brr.no Fri Sep 30 09:44:06 2005 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:44:06 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Dangerous to upgrade Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050930113938.03b7fea0@pop.domeneshop.no> Hello! New installation of K12LTSP 4.1.1. After installing it I tried to run yum update. One of the things which yum dowloades was new kernel version. After a reboot it is not possible to start with the new kernel. The error message I get is: http://brr.dyndns.org/tmp/kernelpanic.jpg I can choose in the boot menu to use a ealier kernel. That works ok. Conclusion: It is dangerous to run yum update! Bjorn Roger Rasmussen Norway *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen (http://www.brr.no/) From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Sep 30 12:40:43 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (Terrell =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Prud=E9=2C?= Jr.) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:40:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dangerous to upgrade In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050930113938.03b7fea0@pop.domeneshop.no> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050930113938.03b7fea0@pop.domeneshop.no> Message-ID: <1128084043.4045.181.camel@takhisis.cmosnetworks.com> Did you mean to say "K12LTSP 4.1.1" or "K12LTSP 4.4.1"? --TP On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 11:44 +0200, Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: > Hello! > > New installation of K12LTSP 4.1.1. After installing it I tried to run yum > update. One of the things which yum dowloades was new kernel version. After > a reboot it is not possible to start with the new kernel. > > The error message I get is: http://brr.dyndns.org/tmp/kernelpanic.jpg > > I can choose in the boot menu to use a ealier kernel. That works ok. > > Conclusion: It is dangerous to run yum update! > > Bjorn Roger Rasmussen > Norway > > *** > Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen (http://www.brr.no/) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Fri Sep 30 12:42:23 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (James P Schwankl) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:42:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Authenticating from an OSX LDAP Server Message-ID: <20050930124223.b7b634a6@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> Bruce wrote: ++++++++++++++++++++++ I have a k12LTSP server running as a "stand alone" server with local authentication. I want to change the authentication method to LDAP services being run on an OSX server (Tiger). I'm entering what I believe to be the correct server information in the Gnome authentication module. However it doesn't seem to authenticate. Although there is an odd twist to this. I have an account with the same username on both servers. "selzlerb". On the k12ltsp server the password for this (local) account is different from the password on the OSX server. I can log on to the LTSP server with the username and the password from the OSX (remote) server. Doing this had me thinking it was actually working. But I can't log on to any other account that should be authenticated via the OSX server. Anyone have any advice? ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Bruce, This is not a difinitive answer, but something I think I rememeber reading in the past and it may not even apply. If the users already exsist on the LTSP box and are just authenticating to the OS X box then I think the UIDs have to match up. That *could* explain why your admin user works - they both happen to have the same UID, possibly 501. If my idea is correct, then I guess the solution is to make the UID's match up. As for how to do this, I don't know. Hope that helps a little bit. Peace, Jimmy Schwankl +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Q: Why did the chicken cross the Moebius strip? A: To get to the other ... er, um ... ****This Message was sent through the Chatham County Schools E-Mail Server**** All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. From brr at brr.no Fri Sep 30 12:53:00 2005 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:53:00 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Dangerous to upgrade K12LTSP 4.4.1 (Fedora Core 4) Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050930145109.03b7fea0@pop.domeneshop.no> Hello! Sorry! Of course I meant to say K12LTSP 4.4.1 (Fedora Core 4) and not K12LTSP 4.1.1: New installation of K12LTSP 4.4.1. After installing it I tried to run yum update. One of the things which yum dowloades was new kernel version. After a reboot it is not possible to start with the new kernel. The error message I get is: http://brr.dyndns.org/tmp/kernelpanic.jpg I can choose in the boot menu to use a ealier kernel. That works ok. Conclusion: It is dangerous to run yum update! Bjorn Roger Rasmussen Norway *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen (http://www.brr.no/) From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Sep 30 12:55:07 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:55:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound bug? In-Reply-To: <20050930070401.M57339@hertervik.net> References: <20050930070401.M57339@hertervik.net> Message-ID: On Sep 30, 2005, at 3:12 AM, Espen Vorland wrote: > > Setting REMOTE_SOUND_HACKS=YES in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp does not > have any effect at > all, due to an error in the cron script /etc/cron.hourly/ > ltsp_esd_hack. > Not really an error -- if you read the note above the REMOTE_SOUND_HACKS setting, it mentions a wrapper for ESD so that it appears to be /dev/dsp. This is a much earlier hack. I have mine set to "NO" and added into that file FLASH_SOUND_HACK=YES Which makes it work nicely. The only bug I've found is that sound only works for the first person logging in. A different user cannot have working sound, they must restart the thin client. It's not too showstopping, but annoying at times. (We don't have a lab of thin clients, so it hasn't been an issue really) -Shawn From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 13:09:18 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:09:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound bug? In-Reply-To: References: <20050930070401.M57339@hertervik.net> Message-ID: <9bd317560509300609u49f9be59l404d1dae6052e989@mail.gmail.com> > > The only bug I've found is that sound only works for the first person > logging in. A different user cannot have working sound, they must > restart the thin client. It's not too showstopping, but annoying at > times. I wonder why this happens? Is there a process on the client that stops? From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Sep 30 13:19:53 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:19:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound bug? In-Reply-To: <9bd317560509300609u49f9be59l404d1dae6052e989@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050930070401.M57339@hertervik.net> <9bd317560509300609u49f9be59l404d1dae6052e989@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7B34FE3A-A5DC-4615-B849-2F741A4DFF05@inlandlakes.org> On Sep 30, 2005, at 9:09 AM, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I wonder why this happens? Is there a process on the client that > stops? I dunno, I've been able to reproduce the problem, but not troubleshoot... From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 30 14:03:37 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <200509291143.39602.scott@hosef.org> Message-ID: <20050930140337.94006.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> H --- "R. Scott Belford" wrote: > On Thursday 29 September 2005 10:36 am, Stephen J. > Smoogen wrote: > > > > It is usual to consider a thread dead if no one > has replied after a > > week. 24 hours is not a dead thread. Can you > answer items from > > previous emails and some things I just throught > of? > > Thanks for the insight, Stephen. My apologies for > the pre-mature death > declaration. I think that I have taken care of > other background questions. > The important fact is that both labs have run great > with prior 4.x releases. > A volunteer at one school has installed 4.2.1 a few > times now just to be > certain that the issue followed the 4.4.1 release. > > Our vision is to enable schools to utilize free > software in a thin-client > environment and to do it in a self-sustaining, > student-involving manner. > When the end user witnesses a degradation in > performance from an upgrade, > they blame the upgrade and lose confidence in the > product. Fortunately, I am > not the end user. > > > > > 1) Have you run prelink? > > I will have this done. However, if it was never > needed with 4.2.1, why do we > need to ask a teacher to do this? > > > 2) Have you looked in dmesg for error messages > about network problems? > > Doubtful that any network issues exist given the > prior performance of the > hardware. > > > 3) What is the network backbone of your system? > [Switch, hub, gigabit, > > 10mbit, etc?] OOfice is a large app with a lot of > window touching... > > network mismatches between the server or clients > and switch can show > > up on this and not other apps. > > Gig uplink to a gig switch. I don't see this as an > issue. > > I am intrigued by Les' suggestion that /home be on a > separate drive array. It > does not explain why the problem exists with 4.4.1, > but perhaps it is design > function of OO version 2. > > > 4) What does top/ps say? > > I am asking a school to do this for us. Asking an > overworked teacher, though, > to coordinate this while managing 30 students is, > well, overwhelming. We > will likely have to get a volunteer on site for > this. > > > > -- > > Stephen J Smoogen. > > CSIRT/Linux System Administrator > > --scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 30 14:05:02 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <200509291143.39602.scott@hosef.org> Message-ID: <20050930140502.94335.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Has anybody tried loading Open Office 2 on an older K12LTSP system to see if the slowness is due to the new K12LTSP version or the new Open Office version? --- "R. Scott Belford" wrote: > On Thursday 29 September 2005 10:36 am, Stephen J. > Smoogen wrote: > > > > It is usual to consider a thread dead if no one > has replied after a > > week. 24 hours is not a dead thread. Can you > answer items from > > previous emails and some things I just throught > of? > > Thanks for the insight, Stephen. My apologies for > the pre-mature death > declaration. I think that I have taken care of > other background questions. > The important fact is that both labs have run great > with prior 4.x releases. > A volunteer at one school has installed 4.2.1 a few > times now just to be > certain that the issue followed the 4.4.1 release. > > Our vision is to enable schools to utilize free > software in a thin-client > environment and to do it in a self-sustaining, > student-involving manner. > When the end user witnesses a degradation in > performance from an upgrade, > they blame the upgrade and lose confidence in the > product. Fortunately, I am > not the end user. > > > > > 1) Have you run prelink? > > I will have this done. However, if it was never > needed with 4.2.1, why do we > need to ask a teacher to do this? > > > 2) Have you looked in dmesg for error messages > about network problems? > > Doubtful that any network issues exist given the > prior performance of the > hardware. > > > 3) What is the network backbone of your system? > [Switch, hub, gigabit, > > 10mbit, etc?] OOfice is a large app with a lot of > window touching... > > network mismatches between the server or clients > and switch can show > > up on this and not other apps. > > Gig uplink to a gig switch. I don't see this as an > issue. > > I am intrigued by Les' suggestion that /home be on a > separate drive array. It > does not explain why the problem exists with 4.4.1, > but perhaps it is design > function of OO version 2. > > > 4) What does top/ps say? > > I am asking a school to do this for us. Asking an > overworked teacher, though, > to coordinate this while managing 30 students is, > well, overwhelming. We > will likely have to get a volunteer on site for > this. > > > > -- > > Stephen J Smoogen. > > CSIRT/Linux System Administrator > > --scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Sep 30 14:05:28 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:05:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dangerous to upgrade K12LTSP 4.4.1 (Fedora Core 4) Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E91A@MAILBE2.westat.com> On Friday, September 30, 2005 8:53 AM, Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen said: >> >> Sorry! Of course I meant to say K12LTSP 4.4.1 (Fedora Core 4) and >> not K12LTSP 4.1.1: >> >> New installation of K12LTSP 4.4.1. After installing it I tried to >> run yum update. One of the things which yum dowloades was new >> kernel version. After a reboot it is not possible to start with >> the new kernel. >> >> The error message I get is: >> http://brr.dyndns.org/tmp/kernelpanic.jpg >> I can choose in the boot menu to use a ealier kernel. That works >> ok. Conclusion: It is dangerous to run yum update! Dangerous, I suppose is a relative term. It's dangerous to go out on the roads in our cars but we do it all the time. Most of the time, we get home safely but not everyone does every time. Likewise, running yum update is dangerous. If you have a system that is running, you're more likely to have it stop running after you update that if you just do nothing. Welcome to the bleeding edge. I've run yum update on a 4.4.1 installation and kernel 2.6.13-1.1526_FC4 seems to be working fine here. I can confirm that it isn't so broken that no one should update. But we do so with the knowledge that there are crazy drivers out there (so to speak). It may be that your problem has to do with more than just the kernel upgrade. -- Henry -- Henry From a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us Fri Sep 30 14:15:47 2005 From: a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us (Alexander Hicks) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:15:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] AlphaSmarts & AlphaBeam In-Reply-To: <432077CA.90003@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: Our school has about 50 Alphasmarts (Neo's and 3000's) that I need to setup to they can beam their data into word processing applications within K12LTSP using their IR link. Within windows, we use AlphaBeam software and either a serial or USB IR pod. I've searched the archives and can only find one reference to Alphasmart, and can't believe that we are the only school using K12ltsp and Alphasmarts. I presume that I'll need to get the IR Pod recognized at the terminal first, then either get Wine (which I've not used before) to run AlphaBeam or find an open source alternative to collect the data and place it into the word processing program. Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated. ~alex _______________________________ Alexander Hicks Technology Coordinator Shaker Road School Concord, NH 03301 From bkovach at logrog.net Fri Sep 30 14:44:07 2005 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:44:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] exporting home directories Message-ID: <40004.216.229.68.126.1128091447.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Some time ago, we had the discussion of how my labs can share home directories and the export /mount thing worked quite well. If we have a server go down or I take it down for maintenance, then I have to issue the commands again. Can I make those commands resident some how? I know the answer is 'yes', I just don't know what file to add them to. BK -- Life is a race. Don't lose. From SelzlerB at esuhsd.org Fri Sep 30 15:08:42 2005 From: SelzlerB at esuhsd.org (Selzler, Bruce) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:08:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: K12OSN Digest, Vol 19, Issue 45 Message-ID: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEFB0DDB4@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Hello Team, Perhaps I'm looking at this the wrong way. I assumed that by authenticating against a different LDAP server, I could use one "list" of accounts for a number of servers. The second response below seems to be saying that I need to duplicate the userlist on the LTSP server. If so, what is the point of authenticating to the LDAP server? I thought the idea of LDAP was "one user list available in many places". Is this not correct? My LDAP logs in OSX show the following; Sep 29 11:16:45 ybstudent slapd[52]: <= bdb_equality_candidates: (rid) index_param failed (18) Sep 29 14:31:33 ybstudent slapd[52]: do_search: invalid dn (dc=ybstudent dc=org) Sep 29 14:31:35 ybstudent slapd[52]: do_search: invalid dn (dc=ybstudent dc=org) Sep 29 14:31:51 ybstudent slapd[52]: do_search: invalid dn (dc=ybstudent dc=org) Sep 29 14:31:55 ybstudent slapd[52]: do_search: invalid dn (dc=ybstudent dc=org) Sep 30 07:59:34 localhost slapd[52]: @(#) $OpenLDAP: slapd 2.2.19 $ Sep 30 07:59:34 localhost slapd[52]: bdb_back_initialize: Sleepycat Software: Berkeley DB 4.2.52: (December 3, 2003) Sep 30 07:59:35 localhost slapd[52]: bdb_db_init: Initializing BDB database Sep 30 07:59:36 localhost slapd[52]: slapd starting Sep 30 08:00:00 ybstudent slapd[52]: <= bdb_substring_candidates: (apple-mcxflags) index_param failed (18) Let me know what you think. - Sez ********************************************* Bruce Selzler Digital High School Resource Teacher http://www.mindsinsight.com http://homepage.mac.com/sez selzlerb at esuhsd.org sez at mac.com office:(408) 347.4936 cell: (408) 893.6161 ************************************************ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:37:19 GMT From: cliebow at downeast.net Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Authenticating from an OSX LDAP Server To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <200509300248.j8U2mCB16904 at downeast.net> Are there any logfiles to look at inosx? can you increase loglevel??change the types of logging info? do a slapcat? run ethereal and read the >For more info see David N. Trask packets?? all these would help narrow down what is going on..let us know more !! chuck > Hello Team, > > I have a k12LTSP server running as a "stand alone" server with local > authentication. I want to change the authentication method to LDAP > services being run on an OSX server (Tiger). > > I'm entering what I believe to be the correct server information in the > Gnome authentication module. However it doesn't seem to authenticate. > Although there is an odd twist to this. > > I have an account with the same username on both servers. "selzlerb". > On the k12ltsp server the password for this (local) account is different > from the password on the OSX server. I can log on to the LTSP server > with the username and the password from the OSX (remote) server. > > Doing this had me thinking it was actually working. But I can't log on > to any other account that should be authenticated via the OSX server. > Anyone have any advice? > > Let me know what you think. > > - Sez Bruce, This is not a difinitive answer, but something I think I rememeber reading in the past and it may not even apply. If the users already exsist on the LTSP box and are just authenticating to the OS X box then I think the UIDs have to match up. That *could* explain why your admin user works - they both happen to have the same UID, possibly 501. If my idea is correct, then I guess the solution is to make the UID's match up. As for how to do this, I don't know. Hope that helps a little bit. Peace, Jimmy Schwankl +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From petre at maltzen.net Fri Sep 30 15:11:09 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:11:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] exporting home directories In-Reply-To: <40004.216.229.68.126.1128091447.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <40004.216.229.68.126.1128091447.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <433D558D.4010206@maltzen.net> Add the following to /etc/fstab: server1:/home /home nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,intr 0 0 where server1 is machine where the home directories actually live. The fourth field, with the rsize and other parameters, is open to debate with respect to the various parameters. See the man page on fstab for more info. Note that if you try to boot the client box (where you have the above command installed) and server1 is not up, there's a good chance that the client box will hang. Since the home directories won't be available anyway, that may not be a likely problem. But it's a gotcha to note. Petre Brandon Kovach wrote: > Some time ago, we had the discussion of how my labs can share home > directories and the export /mount thing worked quite well. If we have a > server go down or I take it down for maintenance, then I have to issue the > commands again. Can I make those commands resident some how? I know the > answer is 'yes', I just don't know what file to add them to. > > BK > > > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Sep 30 15:41:54 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:41:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Install Message-ID: Is is possible to do an internet install of K12LTSP 4.2.1EL? How many other install modes are there? From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Fri Sep 30 16:00:49 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:00:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Surveys - OT Message-ID: <433D6131.8010708@honeygroveisd.net> What would be the recommendations from this list for a good, full-featured online survey tool? Naturally Open Source is preferred. Thanks in advance. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight D. Eisenhower From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Sep 30 16:05:38 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:05:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <433D6252.4090005@stmarys-school.org> Burke Almquist wrote: > Is is possible to do an internet install of K12LTSP 4.2.1EL? > How many other install modes are there? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > You can put in the first cd and then type linux-askmethod at the prompt and install from an NFS mount that contains the isos From petre at maltzen.net Fri Sep 30 16:16:42 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:16:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <433D64EA.7010801@maltzen.net> You still need disk 1 to boot from. At the boot prompt type linux askmethod After a few questions, you'll be asked to pick the installation method from a list. Choose HTTP, and then for the website and directory, point it at http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.2.1EL/iso/ Unless you have a REALLY big/fast internet connection, it's going to take a while. I suspect that it would actually be more efficient to download the ISOs to an existing box and make those available via NFS. That way you can use a 100Mb pipe for the installation (or Gb if you have it). Petre Burke Almquist wrote: > Is is possible to do an internet install of K12LTSP 4.2.1EL? > How many other install modes are there? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Sep 30 16:28:28 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:28:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Install In-Reply-To: <433D64EA.7010801@maltzen.net> References: <433D64EA.7010801@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <433D67AC.1000904@maltzen.net> Hmm, I may have to eat my words. I just tried to start an install of 4.4.1 using askmethod, choosing http, and pointing it at http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.4.1/iso/ But then the installer says "Failed to retrieve /ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4/4/1/iso/Fedora/base/hdlist: File not found on server" I assumed that it would work the same way as installing via NFS, where you just have to point it at an exported directory containing the ISO files. Can anyone confirm or deny whether this should work the same over http? Petre Scheie wrote: > You still need disk 1 to boot from. At the boot prompt type > > linux askmethod > > After a few questions, you'll be asked to pick the installation method > from a list. Choose HTTP, and then for the website and directory, point > it at > http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.2.1EL/iso/ > Unless you have a REALLY big/fast internet connection, it's going to > take a while. I suspect that it would actually be more efficient to > download the ISOs to an existing box and make those available via NFS. > That way you can use a 100Mb pipe for the installation (or Gb if you > have it). > > Petre > > Burke Almquist wrote: > >> Is is possible to do an internet install of K12LTSP 4.2.1EL? >> How many other install modes are there? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Sep 30 16:39:48 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:39:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dangerous to upgrade K12LTSP 4.4.1 (Fedora Core 4) In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E91A@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E91A@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, September 30, 2005 at 10:05 AM +0000 wrote: >Dangerous, I suppose is a relative term. > >It's dangerous to go out on the roads in our cars but we do it all >the time. Most of the time, we get home safely but not everyone >does every time. > >Likewise, running yum update is dangerous. If you have a system >that is running, you're more likely to have it stop running after >you update that if you just do nothing. Welcome to the bleeding >edge. I've run yum update on a 4.4.1 installation and kernel >2.6.13-1.1526_FC4 seems to be working fine here. I can confirm >that it isn't so broken that no one should update. But we do so >with the knowledge that there are crazy drivers out there (so to >speak). > >It may be that your problem has to do with more than just the >kernel upgrade. I've learned that if it ain't broke...don't fix it. In other words...if your K12LTSP box is not connected directly to the Internet (in other words it's behind a firewall) then most of the major security issues are not a big deal. Then you pick and choose selectively what to update....I never update kernels once I have a working one....at least not until the next summer. No need to. I was burned by that once....machine upgraded...then it tried to boot to the new kernel and things stopped....I simply changed it back in grub and everything was fine....but I was out of town when I did it via ssh....so you can imagine my issues....thus...lesson learned. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Sep 30 16:36:43 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:36:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Install Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E91E@MAILBE2.westat.com> On Friday, September 30, 2005 12:28 PM Petre Scheie said: >> >> Hmm, I may have to eat my words. I just tried to start an install >> of 4.4.1 using askmethod, choosing http, and pointing it at >> http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.4.1/iso/ >> But then the installer says >> >> "Failed to retrieve /ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4/4/1/iso/Fedora/base/hdlist: >> File not found on server" Two things. Replace "iso" with "i386" and are you sure you typed 4.4.1 instead of 4/4/1? That is, use this (untested but the files are there): http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.4.1/i386/ -- Henry From caldodge at fpcc.net Fri Sep 30 17:12:16 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:12:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Install In-Reply-To: <433D67AC.1000904@maltzen.net> References: <433D64EA.7010801@maltzen.net> <433D67AC.1000904@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20050930171216.GA21264@fpcc.net> On Fri, Sep 30, 2005 at 11:28:28AM -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > Hmm, I may have to eat my words. I just tried to start an install of 4.4.1 > using askmethod, choosing http, and pointing it at > http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.4.1/iso/ > But then the installer says > > "Failed to retrieve /ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4/4/1/iso/Fedora/base/hdlist: > File not found on server" > > I assumed that it would work the same way as installing via NFS, where you > just have to point it at an exported directory containing the ISO files. > Can anyone confirm or deny whether this should work the same over http? I believe http and ftp installs must point to an actual install folder (as if you'd copied the full directories of all the install CDs to a common directory), rather than ISOs. That's because when an ISO is mounted, the installer can pick out which portions it actually copies to do an install, (and the install rpm actually stays in the iso on the NFS server), while an ftp or http install has to copy the entire file (and would therefore need to download and store any ISO which contained even _one_ needed RPM). I also believe that install folder is available at the above web site - just at a different location within the site. Try using http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.4.1/i386/ Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Sep 30 16:57:24 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:57:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How do I...? Message-ID: <247d016247c576.247c576247d016@texas.rr.com> What do I need to do to make an HP scanjet6500 scanner work from a thin client? Thanks Pat From petre at maltzen.net Fri Sep 30 16:57:34 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:57:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Install In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E91E@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E91E@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <433D6E7E.7090201@maltzen.net> Replacing 'iso' with 'i386' fixed it! Why is that, since the website path shows 'iso'? Yes, the first time I tried it I typed 4/4/1, but noticed that and fixed it before I posted. Henry Hartley wrote: > On Friday, September 30, 2005 12:28 PM Petre Scheie said: > >>>Hmm, I may have to eat my words. I just tried to start an install >>>of 4.4.1 using askmethod, choosing http, and pointing it at >>>http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.4.1/iso/ >>>But then the installer says >>> >>>"Failed to retrieve > > /ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4/4/1/iso/Fedora/base/hdlist: > >>>File not found on server" > > > Two things. Replace "iso" with "i386" and are you sure you typed 4.4.1 > instead of 4/4/1? > > That is, use this (untested but the files are there): > http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.4.1/i386/ > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Sep 30 17:01:35 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:01:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How do I...? In-Reply-To: <247d016247c576.247c576247d016@texas.rr.com> References: <247d016247c576.247c576247d016@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <9284DBA7-FDD5-47E6-BA8E-3DBACE62D092@inlandlakes.org> On Sep 30, 2005, at 12:57 PM, jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > What do I need to do to make an HP scanjet6500 scanner work from a > thin > client? There may be an answer, but you could install a full install of Linux on a computer, and mount /home remotely. That particular computer wouldn't be a thin client, but it would be running linux, and perform the same. If it was the "scanner" computer, kids could log into it in order to use the scanner. The places I use scanners in linux have a smallish server in the room with a handful of thin clients. The scanner is plugged into the server itself, and the thin clients can use it just fine. That may not help much in your situation, but it's what we do here. -Shawn From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Sep 30 17:39:18 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:39:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Install Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E921@MAILBE2.westat.com> On Friday, September 30, 2005 12:58 PM, Petre Scheie said: >> >> Replacing 'iso' with 'i386' fixed it! Why is that, since the >> website path shows 'iso'? The two locations: http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.4.1/iso/ and http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.4.1/i386/ both exist. They contain basically the same files but in much different forms. The first (with "iso") contains five ISO files which you may download and then use to burn CDs or mount and make available with NFS for a "local network install" (which is a good idea, particularly if you plan to install on more than one machine). The second (with "i386") has all the individual files that will be found on the CDs (or in your mounted ISOs) and this is what the http installation needs. -- Henry From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Sep 30 17:56:35 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:56:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Running STI on Linux Wine Message-ID: <20050930105635.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.a78cfdd169.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Has anyone tried to run the STI (Software Technology) student management apps under Wine on a Linux box?? Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Sep 30 17:57:09 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:57:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How do I...? Message-ID: <2482d272485591.24855912482d27@texas.rr.com> Unfortunately all I have are thin clients and no access to anything else to use. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn Powers Date: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:01 am Subject: Re: [K12OSN] How do I...? > > On Sep 30, 2005, at 12:57 PM, jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > What do I need to do to make an HP scanjet6500 scanner work from > a > > thin > > client? > > There may be an answer, but you could install a full install of > Linux > on a computer, and mount /home remotely. That particular computer > wouldn't be a thin client, but it would be running linux, and > perform > the same. If it was the "scanner" computer, kids could log into it > > in order to use the scanner. > > The places I use scanners in linux have a smallish server in the > room > with a handful of thin clients. The scanner is plugged into the > server itself, and the thin clients can use it just fine. > > That may not help much in your situation, but it's what we do here. > > -Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Sep 30 18:04:21 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:04:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Install In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E921@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E921@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <433D7E25.8070909@maltzen.net> I know the two directories contain different files; the i386 directory makes sense to me, as it just contains all the files that are contained on the CDs. I guess what I'm really asking is why NFS exporting a directory with the ISO files works, since the individual files aren't broken out. Henry Hartley wrote: > On Friday, September 30, 2005 12:58 PM, Petre Scheie said: > >>>Replacing 'iso' with 'i386' fixed it! Why is that, since the >>>website path shows 'iso'? > > > The two locations: > http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.4.1/iso/ > and > http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.4.1/i386/ > > both exist. They contain basically the same files but in much > different forms. > > The first (with "iso") contains five ISO files which you may > download and then use to burn CDs or mount and make available > with NFS for a "local network install" (which is a good idea, > particularly if you plan to install on more than one machine). > > The second (with "i386") has all the individual files that will > be found on the CDs (or in your mounted ISOs) and this is what > the http installation needs. > From les at futuresource.com Fri Sep 30 18:13:17 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:13:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Install In-Reply-To: <433D7E25.8070909@maltzen.net> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E921@MAILBE2.westat.com> <433D7E25.8070909@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1128103997.7916.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 13:04, Petre Scheie wrote: > I know the two directories contain different files; the i386 directory makes sense to > me, as it just contains all the files that are contained on the CDs. I guess what I'm > really asking is why NFS exporting a directory with the ISO files works, since the > individual files aren't broken out. The installer knows how to do the magic loopback mount of the iso files to get at the contents. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Sep 30 18:22:26 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:22:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Install In-Reply-To: <1128103997.7916.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E921@MAILBE2.westat.com> <433D7E25.8070909@maltzen.net> <1128103997.7916.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <433D8262.3080400@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 13:04, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>I know the two directories contain different files; the i386 directory makes sense to >>me, as it just contains all the files that are contained on the CDs. I guess what I'm >>really asking is why NFS exporting a directory with the ISO files works, since the >>individual files aren't broken out. > > > The installer knows how to do the magic loopback mount of the iso files > to get at the contents. > and the "magic loopback" mount trick doesn't work via FTP or HTTP, it only works with NFS... -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From gKw-X at shaw.ca Fri Sep 30 18:48:45 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:48:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Message-ID: <177833f1773562.1773562177833f@shaw.ca> Help!! I was making some changes to the server and shut it down for a bit, now I started it up again and I can't log in! Not on root or anything. And it doesn't even do that "pause" as though the password was wrong... it just beeps and nothing happens! What did I do?? I finally have all day to work on this thing and magically I can't log in. The changes I made just before restarting were the "localmedia" bit to get floppies working, restricting the login menu to only KDE, and making some changes for the sound driver to ltsp.conf. I also ran a test script to create some accounts, but then I deleted them. Any ideas? What can I do to fix it, or even just get back in? From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 18:56:06 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:56:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! In-Reply-To: <177833f1773562.1773562177833f@shaw.ca> References: <177833f1773562.1773562177833f@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <9bd317560509301156l744fb21eqaae24aeae2d1a45a@mail.gmail.com> Can't you boot from cd using linux rescue and manually undo the changes you just made? Peter On 9/30/05, NONE NONE wrote: > Help!! I was making some changes to the server and shut it down for a bit, now I started it up again and I can't log in! Not on root or anything. And it doesn't even do that "pause" as though the password was wrong... it just beeps and nothing happens! What did I do?? I finally have all day to work on this thing and magically I can't log in. > > The changes I made just before restarting were the "localmedia" bit to get floppies working, restricting the login menu to only KDE, and making some changes for the sound driver to ltsp.conf. I also ran a test script to create some accounts, but then I deleted them. > > Any ideas? What can I do to fix it, or even just get back in? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From gKw-X at shaw.ca Fri Sep 30 18:58:50 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:58:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Message-ID: <177de9d1781457.1781457177de9d@shaw.ca> I havn't heard of that. I'll look it up, thanks. I found out how to do the text login so I'm going to try undoing things from there. I was able to log in that way so it must be some error while loading the window manager... ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Hartmann Date: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:56 am Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Help! > Can't you boot from cd using linux rescue and manually undo the > changes you just made? > > Peter > > On 9/30/05, NONE NONE wrote: > > Help!! I was making some changes to the server and shut it down > for a bit, now I started it up again and I can't log in! Not on > root or anything. And it doesn't even do that "pause" as though > the password was wrong... it just beeps and nothing happens! What > did I do?? I finally have all day to work on this thing and > magically I can't log in. > > > > The changes I made just before restarting were the "localmedia" > bit to get floppies working, restricting the login menu to only > KDE, and making some changes for the sound driver to ltsp.conf. I > also ran a test script to create some accounts, but then I deleted > them.> > > Any ideas? What can I do to fix it, or even just get back in? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > From danielmyoung at gmail.com Fri Sep 30 19:10:46 2005 From: danielmyoung at gmail.com (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:10:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> Message-ID: <2e42bd9b05093012101bdb2297@mail.gmail.com> On 9/28/05, R. Scott Belford wrote: > We have discovered something at a few of our Hawaii labs that is making > me question the use of 4.4.1. We now have two separate schools that > need about 8 Minutes for 30 clients to open Open Office. I noticed that OO2 Draw was a real dog to start until I installed the Sun JRE. Didn't check out why, just moved on. Something to try... -- Dan Young From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Sep 30 19:33:54 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:33:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Message-ID: <20050930123354.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.9948564813.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> You can also use the ever so usefull Knoppix CD to boot and then make the changes. This works great. If you haven't used this before, it has many good uses, like recovering data from a laptop with a crashed hard drive. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Help! > From: NONE NONE > Date: Fri, September 30, 2005 1:58 pm > To: Peter Hartmann , "Support list for > opensource software in schools." > > I havn't heard of that. I'll look it up, thanks. I found out how to do the text login so I'm going to try undoing things from there. I was able to log in that way so it must be some error while loading the window manager... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Hartmann > Date: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:56 am > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Help! > > > Can't you boot from cd using linux rescue and manually undo the > > changes you just made? > > > > Peter > > > > On 9/30/05, NONE NONE wrote: > > > Help!! I was making some changes to the server and shut it down > > for a bit, now I started it up again and I can't log in! Not on > > root or anything. And it doesn't even do that "pause" as though > > the password was wrong... it just beeps and nothing happens! What > > did I do?? I finally have all day to work on this thing and > > magically I can't log in. > > > > > > The changes I made just before restarting were the "localmedia" > > bit to get floppies working, restricting the login menu to only > > KDE, and making some changes for the sound driver to ltsp.conf. I > > also ran a test script to create some accounts, but then I deleted > > them.> > > > Any ideas? What can I do to fix it, or even just get back in? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From gKw-X at shaw.ca Fri Sep 30 19:45:51 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:45:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts Message-ID: <17985da17949d4.17949d417985da@shaw.ca> Alright I still can't make this work. If I do this: useradd -c "Some Student" -m /home/astudent -G GradeK -p silver astudent It just prints out the "usage" text for useradd. If I do this: useradd -c "Some Student" -d /home/astudent -g GradeK astudent -p silver It runs and creates the account, but the student can't log in. I just can't win heheh... The command looks fine to me, the group exists, why doesn't it run it? From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Sep 30 19:54:47 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:54:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E928@MAILBE2.westat.com> On Friday, September 30, 2005 3:46 PM, NONE NONE said: >> >> If I do this: >> >> useradd -c "Some Student" -m /home/astudent -G GradeK -p silver >> astudent >> >> It just prints out the "usage" text for useradd. If I do this: The -m parameter doesn't require the actual path, that's automatic. Try this: useradd -c "Some Student" -m -G GradeK -p silver astudent -- Henry From gKw-X at shaw.ca Fri Sep 30 20:04:29 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:04:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts Message-ID: <17a082517a15ae.17a15ae17a0825@shaw.ca> Thank you, that worked, except I still can't log in on that account? What are some reasons why an account wouldn't be able to log in? If I create one with the users and groups gui, it can log in fine, but the useradd created accounts never can. ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Hartley Date: Friday, September 30, 2005 12:54 pm Subject: RE: [K12OSN] creating accounts > On Friday, September 30, 2005 3:46 PM, NONE NONE said: > >> > >> If I do this: > >> > >> useradd -c "Some Student" -m /home/astudent -G GradeK -p silver > >> astudent > >> > >> It just prints out the "usage" text for useradd. If I do this: > > The -m parameter doesn't require the actual path, that's automatic. > > Try this: > > useradd -c "Some Student" -m -G GradeK -p silver astudent > > -- > Henry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Sep 30 20:34:40 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 16:34:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109E929@MAILBE2.westat.com> On Friday, September 30, 2005 4:04 PM, NONE NONE said: >> >> Thank you, that worked, except I still can't log in on that >> account? What are some reasons why an account wouldn't be able >> to log in? If I create one with the users and groups gui, it >> can log in fine, but the useradd created accounts never can. Ah, yes. Sorry. Try leaving off the password part and then set it separately. I think you're suppose to supply the encrypted password, not the plaintext (see man useradd and man crypt). useradd -c "Some Student" -m -G GradeK astudent then: passwd astudent -- Henry From gKw-X at shaw.ca Fri Sep 30 20:37:36 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:37:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts Message-ID: <17ae91617ade17.17ade1717ae916@shaw.ca> I think it has to do with the md5 hashing of the passwords. I used the passwd command to change the password of one of the accounts and then looked in the /etc/shadow file and it had changed from "silver" to a hash code. Strangely, changing the password in the gui does not do this... UNLESS the password was created with a hash in the first place... Then it suddenly decides to make a new one. This is really confusing. So how the heck do you create an account with a properly hashed password? Surely someone has run into this problem before? ----- Original Message ----- From: NONE NONE Date: Friday, September 30, 2005 1:04 pm Subject: Re: RE: [K12OSN] creating accounts > Thank you, that worked, except I still can't log in on that > account? What are some reasons why an account wouldn't be able to > log in? If I create one with the users and groups gui, it can log > in fine, but the useradd created accounts never can. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Henry Hartley > Date: Friday, September 30, 2005 12:54 pm > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] creating accounts > > > On Friday, September 30, 2005 3:46 PM, NONE NONE said: > > >> > > >> If I do this: > > >> > > >> useradd -c "Some Student" -m /home/astudent -G GradeK -p silver > > >> astudent > > >> > > >> It just prints out the "usage" text for useradd. If I do this: > > > > The -m parameter doesn't require the actual path, that's automatic. > > > > Try this: > > > > useradd -c "Some Student" -m -G GradeK -p silver astudent > > > > -- > > Henry > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see <" target="l">" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > From gKw-X at shaw.ca Fri Sep 30 20:41:48 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:41:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts Message-ID: <17afe8817b3277.17b327717afe88@shaw.ca> Yeah I just discovered this on some website. Is there any way to automate the password setting then? I can't manually type in the password for so many students. I assume generating my own md5 and giving it to the -p parameter won't work. And the passwd command requires you to type, I need it to be done in this script... Why is there even a -p parameter, if you can't use it? ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Hartley Date: Friday, September 30, 2005 1:34 pm Subject: RE: RE: [K12OSN] creating accounts > On Friday, September 30, 2005 4:04 PM, NONE NONE said: > >> > >> Thank you, that worked, except I still can't log in on that > >> account? What are some reasons why an account wouldn't be able > >> to log in? If I create one with the users and groups gui, it > >> can log in fine, but the useradd created accounts never can. > > Ah, yes. Sorry. Try leaving off the password part and then set > it separately. I think you're suppose to supply the encrypted > password, not the plaintext (see man useradd and man crypt). > > useradd -c "Some Student" -m -G GradeK astudent > > then: > > passwd astudent > > -- > Henry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > From shahms at shahms.com Fri Sep 30 20:47:33 2005 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:47:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts In-Reply-To: <17afe8817b3277.17b327717afe88@shaw.ca> References: <17afe8817b3277.17b327717afe88@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <433DA465.8050309@shahms.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You can use the '--stdin' parameter to 'passwd' as root to tell it to read "tokens" (input) from the standard input and script password setting similarly to: # echo "" | passwd --stdin - -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDPaRl/qs2NkWy11sRAsqIAJ9t0oe1oB4ITwOdEP7wr3mBwNaTFQCgy2FM ya4mAF+K2krSIG96Kh5pPVc= =ObtC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gKw-X at shaw.ca Fri Sep 30 22:02:05 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:02:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts Message-ID: <17d9b5b17d6bca.17d6bca17d9b5b@shaw.ca> Thank you, that works! Now, I must be an idiot because the script doesn't work (though now the commands themselves, pasted individually, do!). Here is my test script: #! /bin/bash groupadd grade1 useradd -c "A Student" -m -G grade1 astudent echo "apassword" | passwd --stdin astudent I run it with "sh -x filename" and it outputs: + groupadd $'grade1\r' is a not a valid group name + useradd -c 'A Student' -m -G grade1 $'astudent\r' useradd: unknown group grade1 + echo apassword + passwd --stdin astudent passwd: Unknown user name 'astudent'. I'm guessing the problem is I don't know anything about the syntax it is expecting. Sorry for the dumb question, how do I fix this? ----- Original Message ----- From: Shahms King Date: Friday, September 30, 2005 1:47 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] creating accounts > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > You can use the '--stdin' parameter to 'passwd' as root to tell it to > read "tokens" (input) from the standard input and script password > setting similarly to: > > # echo "" | passwd --stdin > > - -- > Shahms E. King > Multnomah ESD > > Public Key: > http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc > Fingerprint: > 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFDPaRl/qs2NkWy11sRAsqIAJ9t0oe1oB4ITwOdEP7wr3mBwNaTFQCgy2FM > ya4mAF+K2krSIG96Kh5pPVc= > =ObtC > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > From les at futuresource.com Fri Sep 30 22:17:24 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 17:17:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts In-Reply-To: <17d9b5b17d6bca.17d6bca17d9b5b@shaw.ca> References: <17d9b5b17d6bca.17d6bca17d9b5b@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1128118644.7916.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 17:02, NONE NONE wrote: > Now, I must be an idiot because the script doesn't work (though now the commands themselves, pasted individually, do!). > groupadd grade1 > > + groupadd $'grade1\r' > is a not a valid group name What did you use to edit the script? That doesn't look like plain text. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From toddobryan at mac.com Fri Sep 30 22:20:53 2005 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:20:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 8 Minutes to Open Open Office 2 In-Reply-To: <200509291143.39602.scott@hosef.org> References: <433AE0C0.3040107@hosef.org> <200509290951.34560.scott@hosef.org> <80d7e40905092913362eff552f@mail.gmail.com> <200509291143.39602.scott@hosef.org> Message-ID: On Sep 29, 2005, at 5:43 PM, R. Scott Belford wrote: > >> 4) What does top/ps say? >> > > I am asking a school to do this for us. Asking an overworked > teacher, though, > to coordinate this while managing 30 students is, well, > overwhelming. We > will likely have to get a volunteer on site for this. If the server is attached to the net, you should be able to log in remotely and see what's going on. Have them give you a call the next time they log in and take a look while they're doing it. Todd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shahms at shahms.com Fri Sep 30 22:24:00 2005 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:24:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts In-Reply-To: <17d9b5b17d6bca.17d6bca17d9b5b@shaw.ca> References: <17d9b5b17d6bca.17d6bca17d9b5b@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <433DBB00.7090707@shahms.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NONE NONE wrote: | Thank you, that works! | | Now, I must be an idiot because the script doesn't work (though now the commands themselves, pasted individually, do!). | | Here is my test script: | | #! /bin/bash ~ ^ That's your problem, you cannot have a space between the shebang and the ~ interpreter. It should read: #!/bin/bash - -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDPbsA/qs2NkWy11sRAryWAJ0cx5Z5lfXWMfeqMEY5t6qqYkv3hgCePlft iZMz6bV/JaGjtUbMGL76PxU= =nTK3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gKw-X at shaw.ca Fri Sep 30 22:38:18 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:38:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] creating accounts Message-ID: <17e459f17e92f3.17e92f317e459f@shaw.ca> Ugh... So the new line chars are wrong I guess... Is there a simple way to fix that? I opened the test script in emacs and saw a bunch of ^M on the ends of the lines... I deleted them and saved, and then it ran fine. But now the main file won't run and emacs isn't showing ^M anymore.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Les Mikesell Date: Friday, September 30, 2005 3:17 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] creating accounts > On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 17:02, NONE NONE wrote: > > > Now, I must be an idiot because the script doesn't work (though > now the commands themselves, pasted individually, do!). > > > groupadd grade1 > > > > + groupadd $'grade1\r' > > is a not a valid group name > > What did you use to edit the script? That doesn't look like plain > text. > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> >