From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Tue Aug 1 01:25:04 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:25:04 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #2 In-Reply-To: <44BD6D81.5070101@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44BD6D81.5070101@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: I saw there are rc3 files on the site are the ready to download? On 19/07/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > K12LTSP 5.0.0 release candidate #2 has been uploaded. > > This build includes a new kernel and the Fl_Teachertool update. > Hopefully the kernel update will fix the various RAID card issues reported. > > I will be mostly off-line for the next week and a half. If no major > issues crop up before then, we'll be ready for the official release. > > Please give this build a very thorough test and report any and all > issues that you see. > > > > The repositories have been updated, if you have an earlier beta > installed you can simply run "yum update". > > > Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . > > Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 00:41:54 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] What version In-Reply-To: <44CE74BA.3030803@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060801004154.67414.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You can use version 5 right now, even though it is not officially released yet. I've been using it, though not in a production environment, and I haven't had any trouble. Of course you should give it a good testing before using it for anything important. -Rob --- "John P. Conlon" wrote: > Thanks. I would really like to see the version with > FC-5 come out in a > week or so. I only install and update once per > school year after > watching our district Linux guy wipe massive amounts > of student work > because something didn't work right on the servers > he tends. I have my > own personal stuff that includes a home made server > and 10 dumpster home > brew thin clients. As a teacher I don't need upset > students and irate > parents. Any idea as to whether the FC-5 version > will be out soon? > I've seen a lot of messaging about things for it. > Thanks > Pat > > Huck wrote: > > > I believe it is version FC 4 > > > > --Huck > > > > John P. Conlon wrote: > > > >> What version of Fedora is in K12LTSP 4.4.1? > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 1 02:46:06 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #2 In-Reply-To: References: <44BD6D81.5070101@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > I saw there are rc3 files on the site are the ready to download? And there will be rc4 files there tomorrow ;-) Right after I uploaded RC3, there was an OpenOffice.org update released. The OOo packages are over 500MB... so I'll roll out new ISOs after I've had a chance to check that they built correctly. -Eric > On 19/07/06, Eric Harrison wrote: >> K12LTSP 5.0.0 release candidate #2 has been uploaded. >> >> This build includes a new kernel and the Fl_Teachertool update. >> Hopefully the kernel update will fix the various RAID card issues reported. >> >> I will be mostly off-line for the next week and a half. If no major >> issues crop up before then, we'll be ready for the official release. >> >> Please give this build a very thorough test and report any and all >> issues that you see. >> >> >> >> The repositories have been updated, if you have an earlier beta >> installed you can simply run "yum update". >> >> >> Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . >> >> Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . >> >> >> -Eric >> From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 1 02:49:12 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] What version In-Reply-To: <20060801004154.67414.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060801004154.67414.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'd like to have the official K12LTSP 5.0 release by the end of the week... Barring significant bugs or security-related updates, the next build will become the official release. -Eric On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Rob Owens wrote: > You can use version 5 right now, even though it is not > officially released yet. I've been using it, though > not in a production environment, and I haven't had any > trouble. Of course you should give it a good testing > before using it for anything important. > > -Rob > > --- "John P. Conlon" wrote: > >> Thanks. I would really like to see the version with >> FC-5 come out in a >> week or so. I only install and update once per >> school year after >> watching our district Linux guy wipe massive amounts >> of student work >> because something didn't work right on the servers >> he tends. I have my >> own personal stuff that includes a home made server >> and 10 dumpster home >> brew thin clients. As a teacher I don't need upset >> students and irate >> parents. Any idea as to whether the FC-5 version >> will be out soon? >> I've seen a lot of messaging about things for it. >> Thanks >> Pat >> >> Huck wrote: >> >>> I believe it is version FC 4 >>> >>> --Huck >>> >>> John P. Conlon wrote: >>> >>>> What version of Fedora is in K12LTSP 4.4.1? >>>> From meelis at nlib.ee Tue Aug 1 09:32:29 2006 From: meelis at nlib.ee (Meelis) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:32:29 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote user login by consultant Message-ID: <00ea01c6b54d$68c29650$c60e10ac@melka> Hi everyone ! I'm running a LTS project in a library and it's working fine. Clients are now on two floors and each floor has a consultant who logs users in every time they want to use the client. Now I have a question : is there a way consultant can log in a user without leaving his/her desk ? For example Tom comes to 7th floor readingroom and wants to use the terminal. If there is a free workstation available, consultant points it out to Tom and logs him in. Tom walks to the terminal and can start using it without waiting for the consultant. Is there a way to do that ? Thanks Meelis -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Meelis Mihhailov.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 394 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Aug 1 15:14:00 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:14:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] What version In-Reply-To: References: <20060801004154.67414.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44CF6FB8.10305@elp.rr.com> Thanks. Pat Eric Harrison wrote: > > I'd like to have the official K12LTSP 5.0 release by the end of the > week... > > Barring significant bugs or security-related updates, the next build will > become the official release. > > -Eric > > On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Rob Owens wrote: > >> You can use version 5 right now, even though it is not >> officially released yet. I've been using it, though >> not in a production environment, and I haven't had any >> trouble. Of course you should give it a good testing >> before using it for anything important. >> >> -Rob >> >> --- "John P. Conlon" wrote: >> >>> Thanks. I would really like to see the version with >>> FC-5 come out in a >>> week or so. I only install and update once per >>> school year after >>> watching our district Linux guy wipe massive amounts >>> of student work >>> because something didn't work right on the servers >>> he tends. I have my >>> own personal stuff that includes a home made server >>> and 10 dumpster home >>> brew thin clients. As a teacher I don't need upset >>> students and irate >>> parents. Any idea as to whether the FC-5 version >>> will be out soon? >>> I've seen a lot of messaging about things for it. >>> Thanks >>> Pat >>> >>> Huck wrote: >>> >>>> I believe it is version FC 4 >>>> >>>> --Huck >>>> >>>> John P. Conlon wrote: >>>> >>>>> What version of Fedora is in K12LTSP 4.4.1? >>>>> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 1 17:07:15 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:07:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Holding off up dating just in case In-Reply-To: <44CCD080.6070604@elp.rr.com> References: <44CCD080.6070604@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <44CF8A43.1020603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> John P. Conlon wrote: > I have gotten into the habit of doing a wipe and clean install at the > beginning of each school year to ensure that I have cleaned out > everything students have miss-saved, only partially erased, and so on. > I am getting ready to start a new school year and was in hopes I could > install the FC-5 version of K12LTSP in my server. Is there any hope > that it will be available within the next two weeks? > Yes, it will (come hell or high water ;-) be available within the next two weeks. I am currently testing the 32bit build of Release Candidate #4 (RC4) and will test the 64bit build after that. By the end of the day RC4 should be uploaded. If no one finds a show-stopping bug in RC4, it will be declared the official release (probably this weekend) -Eric From jam at mcquil.com Tue Aug 1 17:09:55 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Holding off up dating just in case In-Reply-To: <44CF8A43.1020603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44CCD080.6070604@elp.rr.com> <44CF8A43.1020603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <38999.68.250.145.129.1154452195.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Tue, August 1, 2006 1:07 pm, Eric Harrison wrote: > John P. Conlon wrote: >> I have gotten into the habit of doing a wipe and clean install at the >> beginning of each school year to ensure that I have cleaned out >> everything students have miss-saved, only partially erased, and so on. >> I am getting ready to start a new school year and was in hopes I could >> install the FC-5 version of K12LTSP in my server. Is there any hope >> that it will be available within the next two weeks? >> > > Yes, it will (come hell or high water ;-) be available within the next > two weeks. > > I am currently testing the 32bit build of Release Candidate #4 (RC4) and > will test the 64bit build after that. By the end of the day RC4 should > be uploaded. > > If no one finds a show-stopping bug in RC4, it will be declared the > official release (probably this weekend) We've been seeing alot of people having mouse trouble in LTSP-4.2u2, and just this morning, someone posted a fix on the ltsp-discuss mailing list. I'll play around with it this evening, to make sure it works properly. Then, hopefully I can release update-3, and you can incorporate that into your 5.0. Jim. From moquist at majen.net Tue Aug 1 18:18:54 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:18:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: lessons learned on smb/ldap setup in centos4 (Robert Moskowitz) In-Reply-To: <20060801160022.EB7AD7398E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060801160022.EB7AD7398E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060801181854.GB29266@majen.net> > Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:16:04 -0400 > From: "Robert Moskowitz" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lessons learned on smb/ldap setup in centos4 > > After a long detour stepping my way into Linux (like first moving DNS > and Mail from NT server to Linux), I am back at converting my NT domain > to Linux. > > I am committed to Centos, which is now at 4.3 and very soon at 4.4. > > So I see that Centos is still not listed as a supported platform, but > then RedHat Enterprise is not listed either.... > Is the script mods listed below still apply (months later and newer > versions)? Just use the 'fc5' option, and when it complains about not being able to install something, find that package manually and install it. Then re-run the script and everything should be fine. I *believe* it's only one package that you'll have to find manually; once you figure out which on it is shoot me an email -- or, better yet, add a note to the wiki on a CentOSNotes page. > > Then I did the CPAN Bundle::install thing This shouldn't be necessary; there are RPMs available for all the required packages. > > Next, I ran the script(make all) and noted all the rpms it could not > > find. > I ASSuME that if I am missing some, getting them (I use yemex and have > DAG repos included) and restarting causes no harm. Precisely. > > I then Went to the DAG (weirs) Site > > http://dag.wieers.com/packages/ And downloaded any packages that the > > script said that were missing and > > dependencies that the rpms called for. Once all the packages were > > installed and the script completed successfully, I rebooted. > > At this point ldap seemed to consistantly fail. Go into the > > /etc/openldap/ldap.conf and delete the TLS entry. Then I start ldap, That's odd and interesting...I don't believe this happened at the Gould NELS, where CentOS was used during the Samba/LDAP session. > > 4. Originally setting the file server up on a different network. I just > > couldn't seem to figure out how to combat that, soooo I reloaded on the > > network that it was going to be on and that cured many little issues. > This is a 'real' concern with me. I am replacing an NT domain PDC, and > I do not want to play with names. It's changing IP addresses that threw Mark off, I believe, and that makes sense. The IP address is in several Samba/LDAP config files, so if you change the system IP address you have several files to hunt down and modify. > So I have set up a separate network where I can install, the IP > addresses are changed slightly, I hope this will not be a problem? I > have my host.conf going to my hosts file before bind, and I have my > server setup in the hosts file.... If you use hostnames instead of IP addresses when you run the configuration portion of the smbldap-installer, then you should be fine as long as those hosts are set in /etc/hosts. Would you mind adding this to the smbldap-installer documentation wiki? (Linked from http://majen.net/smbldap/) It would be great if other people knew how to do this. > If I have to set up a whole dummy DNS, I can, I have done it for things > like unlocking PAP2 boxes... This should only be necessary for the master/slave LDAP servers themselves. You may need to change /etc/exports yourself later if you change your IP address scheme, but using the smbldap-installer to help set up your export of /home is completely optional, anyway. > > 5. Paying attention to were the smbldap tools are located and adjusting > > the script and or tools location to make it work. > Would like to know more on this one. The smbldap-installer tries to figure out where the smbldap-tools scripts get installed (the are usually not in $PATH on RH-based systems) and use them there. If they show up in a location that the script can't find, see distro_data.pm and add another entry with the correct path to @smbldap_tools_path, and then (please!) email me about it. > Should I just proceed? There was a comment early in the install about > being back-leveled and to do some update or other, but it scrollled off > the screen. My preference is always to use the package management system to install everything, but if you got your dependencies this way, it's probably fine. :) Beware of samba-3.0.23, which causes people problems on FC5; you may automatically get it when you update your system. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 1 19:48:57 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:48:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Holding off up dating just in case In-Reply-To: <38999.68.250.145.129.1154452195.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> References: <44CCD080.6070604@elp.rr.com> <44CF8A43.1020603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <38999.68.250.145.129.1154452195.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: <44CFB029.5030300@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jim McQuillan wrote: > On Tue, August 1, 2006 1:07 pm, Eric Harrison wrote: >> John P. Conlon wrote: >>> I have gotten into the habit of doing a wipe and clean install at the >>> beginning of each school year to ensure that I have cleaned out >>> everything students have miss-saved, only partially erased, and so on. >>> I am getting ready to start a new school year and was in hopes I could >>> install the FC-5 version of K12LTSP in my server. Is there any hope >>> that it will be available within the next two weeks? >>> >> Yes, it will (come hell or high water ;-) be available within the next >> two weeks. >> >> I am currently testing the 32bit build of Release Candidate #4 (RC4) and >> will test the 64bit build after that. By the end of the day RC4 should >> be uploaded. >> >> If no one finds a show-stopping bug in RC4, it will be declared the >> official release (probably this weekend) > > > We've been seeing alot of people having mouse trouble in LTSP-4.2u2, and > just this morning, someone posted a fix on the ltsp-discuss mailing list. > I'll play around with it this evening, to make sure it works properly. > Then, hopefully I can release update-3, and you can incorporate that into > your 5.0. > > Jim. > Okay, I'll hold off until tomorrow to do my next build. If you want some extra help testing the patch, email me a copy... -Eric From pfaffman at relaxpc.com Wed Aug 2 03:02:12 2006 From: pfaffman at relaxpc.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:02:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #2 In-Reply-To: References: <44BD6D81.5070101@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <932609800608012002q2b8c440dw5c9a56a82091db80@mail.gmail.com> I think I had RC2 and yum wouldn't work because the fedora repositories had the "base" line commented out. I swear I installed it on another machine and it worked fine. On 7/31/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > > I saw there are rc3 files on the site are the ready to download? > > And there will be rc4 files there tomorrow ;-) > > Right after I uploaded RC3, there was an OpenOffice.org update released. > The OOo packages are over 500MB... so I'll roll out new ISOs after I've > had a chance to check that they built correctly. > > -Eric > > > On 19/07/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> K12LTSP 5.0.0 release candidate #2 has been uploaded. > >> > >> This build includes a new kernel and the Fl_Teachertool update. > >> Hopefully the kernel update will fix the various RAID card issues reported. > >> > >> I will be mostly off-line for the next week and a half. If no major > >> issues crop up before then, we'll be ready for the official release. > >> > >> Please give this build a very thorough test and report any and all > >> issues that you see. > >> > >> > >> > >> The repositories have been updated, if you have an earlier beta > >> installed you can simply run "yum update". > >> > >> > >> Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: > >> > >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ > >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . > >> > >> Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: > >> > >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ > >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . > >> > >> > >> -Eric > >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville http://learn.occ.utk.edu/ +1-865-974-0497 From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Aug 2 04:42:21 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:12:21 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] [Maybe OT] Message-ID: <774593a20608012142w1829ab21scf1c15db7e70651f@mail.gmail.com> I have been trying this with no luck so I thought the guru's here may have a solution. I have loads of files on one server and I want to transfer them to a new server BUT I want to store each type of file in one directory. So on the new server I will have a directory png.files and want to more all files from old server to this new server with a flat structure ( no sub-directories under png.files ) As the number of files is large "tar" gives up. "locate" and "find" have problems with "white spaces" in the file names. The nearest I came to solution was with a google search that pointed me to try: rsync -avzP remote:'`find -iname "*.png"`' /path/to/local/directory (there is ' and then ` at the beginning that may not render properly and reversed order at end of find) This unfortunately does not run remotely while run on local gives output in form of desired listing. "scp" also does not yield anything useful. Thanks for any pointer. Of course once I am able to over come the basic hassle then I also have to try using the update flag to only transfer latest file from multitude of directories. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From jam at mcquil.com Wed Aug 2 11:52:10 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:52:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] [Maybe OT] In-Reply-To: <774593a20608012142w1829ab21scf1c15db7e70651f@mail.gmail.com> References: <774593a20608012142w1829ab21scf1c15db7e70651f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44D091EA.7020705@McQuil.com> Sudev, tar and find should both work fine for you, even with spaces. Try this: mkdir /tmp/pngfiles cd /path/to/files find ./ -name '*.png' -exec cp {} /tmp/pngfiles \; tar czf /tmp/pngfiles.tgz /tmp/pngfiles scp /tmp/pngfiles.tgz new_machine:/tmp That will copy all of the .png files to a temporary directory. Then, it will tar the directory full of files then, you can send that tarball over to the new system and unpack it wherever you'd like. Do this for each type of file you want, and you should be fine. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Sudev Barar wrote: > I have been trying this with no luck so I thought the guru's here may > have a solution. > > I have loads of files on one server and I want to transfer them to a > new server BUT I want to store each type of file in one directory. So > on the new server I will have a directory png.files and want to more > all files from old server to this new server with a flat structure ( > no sub-directories under png.files ) > As the number of files is large "tar" gives up. "locate" and "find" > have problems with "white spaces" in the file names. The nearest I > came to solution was with a google search that pointed me to try: > > rsync -avzP remote:'`find -iname "*.png"`' /path/to/local/directory > > (there is ' and then ` at the beginning that may not render properly > and reversed order at end of find) > > This unfortunately does not run remotely while run on local gives > output in form of desired listing. "scp" also does not yield anything > useful. > > Thanks for any pointer. > > Of course once I am able to over come the basic hassle then I also > have to try using the update flag to only transfer latest file from > multitude of directories. > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Aug 2 13:33:25 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 08:33:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NX Message-ID: I am trying to install NX to use instead of VNC because I heard it was faster and etc. . . I have it installed (I think) and when I try to: nxviewer server:1 all I get is a window with a red background and "im" in it in big letters in the middle. . . What else do I need to do? Thanks! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From les at futuresource.com Wed Aug 2 13:42:14 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 08:42:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1154526134.2332.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 08:33, Doug Simpson wrote: > I am trying to install NX to use instead of VNC because I heard it was > faster and etc. . . > > I have it installed (I think) and when I try to: > > nxviewer server:1 > > all I get is a window with a red background and "im" in it in big letters > in the middle. . . > > What else do I need to do? Nxviwer connects to vnc servers through an NX tunnel. You probably want to avoid vnc entirely and use nxclient. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lists at paulandmichelle.net Wed Aug 2 14:06:04 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 09:06:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *-PDC config? In-Reply-To: <1154526134.2332.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20060802140604.BF69D49054A@ephesus.modevia.com> Hello all, I used the smb-ldap installer a while ago. I setup the server with most of the default settings in the script. One of them was I'm assuming setting up the PDC's computer name. "DOMAINCOM-PDC" is what it set it as. A few days ago I had to change the server name. So I thought the only place where this DOMAINCOM-PDC was located was the samba config file. So I changed the samba config and everything worked great.... The I tried to login to a pc via a domain account. Windows 2k tried to locate the roaming profile... but it was looking for it at: \\DOMAINCOM-PDC\profiles\. Can someone help me locate this setting so I can change it? Thanks!! Paul From rgm at htt-consult.com Wed Aug 2 14:19:37 2006 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:19:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] *-PDC config? In-Reply-To: <20060802140604.BF69D49054A@ephesus.modevia.com> References: <20060802140604.BF69D49054A@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <44D0B479.3020301@htt-consult.com> Paul Lemke wrote: > Hello all, > I used the smb-ldap installer a while ago. I setup the server with most of > the default settings in the script. One of them was I'm assuming setting up > the PDC's computer name. "DOMAINCOM-PDC" is what it set it as. A few days > ago I had to change the server name. So I thought the only place where this > DOMAINCOM-PDC was located was the samba config file. So I changed the samba > config and everything worked great.... > > The I tried to login to a pc via a domain account. Windows 2k tried to > locate the roaming profile... but it was looking for it at: > \\DOMAINCOM-PDC\profiles\. Can someone help me locate this setting so I can > change it? Thanks!! > cd /etc grep -r DOMAINCOM-PDC * For starters? > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From lists at paulandmichelle.net Wed Aug 2 14:28:01 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 09:28:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *-PDC config? In-Reply-To: <44D0B479.3020301@htt-consult.com> Message-ID: <20060802142801.62FE749031E@ephesus.modevia.com> Here is what I get: # grep -r DOMAINCOM-PDC * opt/IDEALX/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf.rpmsave:userSmbHome="\\ DOMAINCOM-PDC\homes\%U" opt/IDEALX/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf.rpmsave:userProfile="\\ DOMAINCOM-PDC\profiles\%U" Binary file samba/secrets.tdb matches samba/smb.conf-Fri_Jul_14_20_22_59_2006.bak: netbios name = DOMAINCOM-PDC That's all I got... any other thoughts? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Robert Moskowitz Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 9:20 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] *-PDC config? Paul Lemke wrote: > Hello all, > I used the smb-ldap installer a while ago. I setup the server with most of > the default settings in the script. One of them was I'm assuming setting up > the PDC's computer name. "DOMAINCOM-PDC" is what it set it as. A few days > ago I had to change the server name. So I thought the only place where this > DOMAINCOM-PDC was located was the samba config file. So I changed the samba > config and everything worked great.... > > The I tried to login to a pc via a domain account. Windows 2k tried to > locate the roaming profile... but it was looking for it at: > \\DOMAINCOM-PDC\profiles\. Can someone help me locate this setting so I can > change it? Thanks!! > cd /etc grep -r DOMAINCOM-PDC * For starters? > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Wed Aug 2 14:36:32 2006 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:36:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] *-PDC config? In-Reply-To: <44D0B479.3020301@htt-consult.com> References: <20060802140604.BF69D49054A@ephesus.modevia.com> <44D0B479.3020301@htt-consult.com> Message-ID: <44D0B870.5090507@peopleplaces.org> If it works from non-windows boxes it could be in a Win2k WINS cache. (On XP this is done by "nbtstat -RR") Also, is there an lmhosts on the 2k machine to lessen WINS/broadcast requests? Cheers, Michael Blinn Robert Moskowitz wrote: > Paul Lemke wrote: >> Hello all, I used the smb-ldap installer a while ago. I setup the >> server with most of >> the default settings in the script. One of them was I'm assuming >> setting up >> the PDC's computer name. "DOMAINCOM-PDC" is what it set it as. A few >> days >> ago I had to change the server name. So I thought the only place >> where this >> DOMAINCOM-PDC was located was the samba config file. So I changed the >> samba >> config and everything worked great.... >> >> The I tried to login to a pc via a domain account. Windows 2k tried to >> locate the roaming profile... but it was looking for it at: >> \\DOMAINCOM-PDC\profiles\. Can someone help me locate this setting so >> I can >> change it? Thanks!! >> > cd /etc > grep -r DOMAINCOM-PDC * > > For starters? >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- If this is my day of harvest, in what fields have I sowed the seed, and in what unremembered seasons? - Kahlil Gibran CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message, and any attachments that may accompany it, contain information that is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or other use of this communication or any of the information, which it contains is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the original sender by return mail and delete this message, along with any attachments, from your computer. Thank you. From lists at paulandmichelle.net Wed Aug 2 14:47:58 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 09:47:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *-PDC config? In-Reply-To: <44D0B870.5090507@peopleplaces.org> Message-ID: <20060802144759.2841549052C@ephesus.modevia.com> I actually don't have any non win2k boxes to try from... I've rebooted the win2k box a few times since I've changed it. There is not an LMhosts on the 2k machine. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Michael Blinn Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 9:37 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] *-PDC config? If it works from non-windows boxes it could be in a Win2k WINS cache. (On XP this is done by "nbtstat -RR") Also, is there an lmhosts on the 2k machine to lessen WINS/broadcast requests? Cheers, Michael Blinn Robert Moskowitz wrote: > Paul Lemke wrote: >> Hello all, I used the smb-ldap installer a while ago. I setup the >> server with most of >> the default settings in the script. One of them was I'm assuming >> setting up >> the PDC's computer name. "DOMAINCOM-PDC" is what it set it as. A few >> days >> ago I had to change the server name. So I thought the only place >> where this >> DOMAINCOM-PDC was located was the samba config file. So I changed the >> samba >> config and everything worked great.... >> >> The I tried to login to a pc via a domain account. Windows 2k tried to >> locate the roaming profile... but it was looking for it at: >> \\DOMAINCOM-PDC\profiles\. Can someone help me locate this setting so >> I can >> change it? Thanks!! >> > cd /etc > grep -r DOMAINCOM-PDC * > > For starters? >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- If this is my day of harvest, in what fields have I sowed the seed, and in what unremembered seasons? - Kahlil Gibran CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message, and any attachments that may accompany it, contain information that is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or other use of this communication or any of the information, which it contains is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the original sender by return mail and delete this message, along with any attachments, from your computer. Thank you. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From opensource at whitenitro.com Wed Aug 2 15:42:33 2006 From: opensource at whitenitro.com (Bryant Patten) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:42:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Blackboard patents LMS?! In-Reply-To: <20060801160023.1507E739C3@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060801160023.1507E739C3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <7ae83f3ea6ac80c5494f227bbfc83b31@whitenitro.com> This seems fairly disturbing - particularly as Moodle starts to emerge as one of the killer apps in the FOSS and education space. I can't believe this could have survived a prior art search but it seems to have happened. http://www.blackboard.com/company/press/release.aspx?id=887622 http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/02/1217219&from=rss http://mfeldstein.com/index.php/weblog/permalink/ blackboard_patents_the_lms Bryant Patten White Nitro, LLC From karisue at gmail.com Wed Aug 2 15:55:29 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:55:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Centre Message-ID: I am trying to install Centre, and I'm a bit horrified by the lack of support and documentation. I uploaded the files to the directory and I get a php error: if(parent.frames.length > 0) { parent.location.href = 'index.php?modfunc=logout'; } *Fatal error*: Call to undefined function: preferences() in * /home/stmar4/public_html/gradebook/Warehouse.php* on line *224* The website is www.stmaryswestville.com/gradebook The "Install" file is a txt file that is a mess. One of the first things it says is: "These installation instructions are incomplete. please refer to installation of earlier versions and extrapolate where obvious. If you encounter difficulty please try the Centre Forums at www.miller-group.net for help and feel free to contribute your experiences to this document." There is almost nothing on the forums. Can anyone here share their experiences? Can anyone point me in the right direction? ~kari -- *-*-*-*-*-* blog.karimatthews.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From staffords at glenburn.net Wed Aug 2 15:58:42 2006 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:58:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Centre In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a lot of documentation and I am working on online training courses for staff on a Moodle server. thanks Shane Shane Stafford Director Information Services Maine School Union 90 (Alton,Bradley,Greenbush,Milford) sstafford at union90.org From lists at paulandmichelle.net Wed Aug 2 16:00:32 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:00:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Centre In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060802160033.7FE664905D3@ephesus.modevia.com> Can you copy the couple lines before and after the error and paste them here? _____ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Kari Matthews Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 10:55 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Centre I am trying to install Centre, and I'm a bit horrified by the lack of support and documentation. I uploaded the files to the directory and I get a php error: if(parent.frames.length > 0) { parent.location.href = 'index.php?modfunc=logout'; } Fatal error: Call to undefined function: preferences() in /home/stmar4/public_html/gradebook/Warehouse.php on line 224 The website is www.stmaryswestville.com/gradebook The "Install" file is a txt file that is a mess. One of the first things it says is: "These installation instructions are incomplete. please refer to installation of earlier versions and extrapolate where obvious. If you encounter difficulty please try the Centre Forums at www.miller-group.net for help and feel free to contribute your experiences to this document." There is almost nothing on the forums. Can anyone here share their experiences? Can anyone point me in the right direction? ~kari -- *-*-*-*-*-* blog.karimatthews.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rgm at htt-consult.com Wed Aug 2 16:05:51 2006 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:05:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Blackboard patents LMS?! In-Reply-To: <7ae83f3ea6ac80c5494f227bbfc83b31@whitenitro.com> References: <20060801160023.1507E739C3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44D0CD5F.2060102@htt-consult.com> Bryant Patten wrote: > This seems fairly disturbing - particularly as Moodle starts to emerge > as one of the killer apps in the FOSS and education space. I can't > believe this could have survived a prior art search but it seems to > have happened. Prior art searchs are too close to a joke. And once the patent is issued it is really hard to get it withdrawn, or even its claims reduced, without overwhelming prior art. You have to show that the filer ignored a large body of prior art at the time of filing. Note too that at least for now, prior descovery can trumpt first to file. This has already been applied in the biotech and nanotech areas. So if you have something patentable that would trump theirs, go for it, then make your licensing totally free.... > > http://www.blackboard.com/company/press/release.aspx?id=887622 > > http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/02/1217219&from=rss > > http://mfeldstein.com/index.php/weblog/permalink/blackboard_patents_the_lms > > > > Bryant Patten > White Nitro, LLC > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From karisue at gmail.com Wed Aug 2 16:53:03 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:53:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Centre In-Reply-To: <20060802160033.7FE664905D3@ephesus.modevia.com> References: <20060802160033.7FE664905D3@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: that's the error -- I went to stmaryswestville.com/gradebook , and that's what I get. is this different from other sql/php systems? when you install joomla, for example, all you do is upload the files to the directory and then go to that site / directory in the web browser to install it. is this different? ~kari On 8/2/06, Paul Lemke wrote: > > Can you copy the couple lines before and after the error and paste them > here? > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] *On > Behalf Of *Kari Matthews > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 02, 2006 10:55 AM > *To:* Support list for open source software in schools. > *Subject:* [K12OSN] Centre > > > > I am trying to install Centre, and I'm a bit horrified by the lack of > support and documentation. I uploaded the files to the directory and I get > a php error: > > if(parent.frames.length > 0) { parent.location.href = 'index.php?modfunc=logout'; > } > *Fatal error*: Call to undefined function: preferences() in * > /home/stmar4/public_html/gradebook/Warehouse.php* on line *224* > > The website is www.stmaryswestville.com/gradebook > > The "Install" file is a txt file that is a mess. One of the first things > it says is: > > "These installation instructions are incomplete. please refer to > installation > of earlier versions and extrapolate where obvious. If you encounter > difficulty > please try the Centre Forums at www.miller-group.net for help and feel > free to > contribute your experiences to this document." > > There is almost nothing on the forums. > > Can anyone here share their experiences? Can anyone point me in the right > direction? > > ~kari > > -- > *-*-*-*-*-* > blog.karimatthews.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- *-*-*-*-*-* blog.karimatthews.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Wed Aug 2 17:10:04 2006 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:10:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] *-PDC config? In-Reply-To: <20060802140604.BF69D49054A@ephesus.modevia.com> References: <20060802140604.BF69D49054A@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <1154538604.5089.65.camel@localhost> Paul- You should also find a reference in LDAP. You will have to modify those LDAP entries, as well. Perhaps an easy way to do this would be to "slapcat" the entire LDAP database to an ldif file. Search and replace DOMAINCOM-PDC. Delete the LDAP database. And re-import the database. Then, restart LDAP. HTH, -Gideon On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 09:06 -0500, Paul Lemke wrote: > Hello all, > I used the smb-ldap installer a while ago. I setup the server with most of > the default settings in the script. One of them was I'm assuming setting up > the PDC's computer name. "DOMAINCOM-PDC" is what it set it as. A few days > ago I had to change the server name. So I thought the only place where this > DOMAINCOM-PDC was located was the samba config file. So I changed the samba > config and everything worked great.... > > The I tried to login to a pc via a domain account. Windows 2k tried to > locate the roaming profile... but it was looking for it at: > \\DOMAINCOM-PDC\profiles\. Can someone help me locate this setting so I can > change it? Thanks!! > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Proud LTSP Developer ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Support LTSP! Buy your hardware at: www.DisklessWorkstations.com www.DisklessThinClients.com (use coupon code: LTSP5P for 5% off thin clients from DisklessThinClients.com) From swift at msad52.org Wed Aug 2 17:14:33 2006 From: swift at msad52.org (Randall Swift) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:14:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba/ldap installer core 5 Message-ID: I am updating my samba/ldap server to core5. I have done a fresh install of core 5 and installed the latest installer from Matt Oquists site and when I run it I get the following error when it tries to install samba updates: No more mirrors to try. Error installing required packages. Is a repository down? I ran yum clean all and that made no difference. Thanks for any help Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Aug 2 17:18:12 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:18:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Thursday Evening Interviews on K12 Open Source: LTSP and K12LSTP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For those interested in Linux thin-client technology, our webcast interviews on Thursday evening should be noteworthy. We'll be expanding our format for this week, and holding two interviews. The first, starting at 5:00pm PDT/8:00pm EDT will be with Jim McQuillan and Eric Harrison. Jim is the founder and project leader of the Linux Terminal Server Project (LTSP), and Eric is one of the lead volunteers for the prepackaged K12LTSP distribution. The second interview will start at 6:00pm PDT/9:00pm EDT and will include Daniel Howard, William Fragakis, and Shawn Adams to discuss the status and roll-out of Linux thin client in Atlanta Public Schools. Next week, August 10th, we interview Mike Huffman, the Special Assistant on Technology for the Indiana Department of Education, who will discuss the use of Linux and Open Source Software as part of their push for affordable classroom computers for every secondary student. On August 17th we'll be interviewing Michelle Moore from Remote Learning about the ever-popular Open Source program Moodle (and hopefully find out more about the new patent issue). Instructions on logging into the Skypecast and/or chatroom are on the web at http://www.K12OpenSource.com/interviews. You can leave questions in advance for our guests at the links indicated in the schedule. The recorded interviews will be available as podcasts sometime on Friday. You can subscribe to the RSS feeds for the podcasts for the interview series using the link http://feeds.feedburner.com/k12opensourceaudiocasts. We hope you these interviews are of interest, and encourage your feedback and comments. -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.K12OpenSource.com (Public Wiki) www.SupportBlogging.com (Public Wiki) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moquist at majen.net Wed Aug 2 18:12:18 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:12:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: *-PDC config? (Paul Lemke) In-Reply-To: <20060802160021.19B6373683@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060802160021.19B6373683@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060802181218.GD25628@majen.net> > From: "Paul Lemke" > Subject: [K12OSN] *-PDC config? > > Hello all, > I used the smb-ldap installer a while ago. I setup the server with most of > the default settings in the script. One of them was I'm assuming setting up > the PDC's computer name. "DOMAINCOM-PDC" is what it set it as. A few days > ago I had to change the server name. So I thought the only place where this > DOMAINCOM-PDC was located was the samba config file. So I changed the samba > config and everything worked great.... > > The I tried to login to a pc via a domain account. Windows 2k tried to > locate the roaming profile... but it was looking for it at: > \\DOMAINCOM-PDC\profiles\. Can someone help me locate this setting so I can > change it? Thanks!! > Paul > 'slapcat | grep PDC' will show you where the problem really is. Doing this should fix you up: $ /etc/init.d/smb stop (or whatever your service name is, maybe "samba") $ /etc/init.d/ldap stop (or whatever your service name is, maybe "slapd") $ slapcat > ldap.ldif $ cp ldap.ldif ldap.ldif.bak $ sed -i 's/OLDNAME/NEWNAME/g' ldap.ldif $ cd /var/lib/ldap $ rm -rf * $ slapadd < ldap.ldif $ /etc/init.d/ldap start (or whatever your service name is, maybe "slapd") $ /etc/init.d/smb start (or whatever your service name is, maybe "samba") You want to more-or-less follow the instructions on the DisasterRecovery page of the documentation site: http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/DisasterRecovery ...with the exception that you want to replace OLDNAME with NEWNAME in your LDIF file before you repopulate your DB. Would you mind jotting down notes on this process on the documentation wiki, so other folks can figure out how to do this, too? 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Casey Mynott wrote: > Hey all, > > I am just wondering if the setup below is at all possible. Thanks for > any info! > > http://www3.telus.net/mynott/temp/hmmmm.jpg > > Casey > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From veewee77 at alltel.net Wed Aug 2 20:29:58 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 15:29:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44D10B46.7020401@alltel.net> You specify the Winders 2K3 server and the Terminal server, and the WindersXP clients, but what is that other server above the Terminal server? Otherwise, it looks good excet never use a hub for terminals. Doug Casey Mynott wrote: > Hey all, > > I am just wondering if the setup below is at all possible. Thanks for > any info! > > http://www3.telus.net/mynott/temp/hmmmm.jpg > > Casey > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Wed Aug 2 20:41:09 2006 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 16:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] samba 3.0.23a - cannot join domain In-Reply-To: <44D10B46.7020401@alltel.net> References: <44D10B46.7020401@alltel.net> Message-ID: <4420.192.168.0.21.1154551269.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> I just did a yum update this morning and it installed samba 3.0.23a-1.fc5.1. Now, I can no longer join new XP Pro PC's to the domain. After bringing down the server and bringing up it's backup which still had 3.0.22-1.fc5, I had no problems adding a lab full of PC's. I am still using smbpasswd support for this server and this is the PDC. I migrated the passwd, shadow and smbpasswd files from the backup server to the primary server and now am able to use the new PC's. I just reported this to the samba list. So how do I find the install package for samba 3.0.22-1.fc5 and reinstall it on our primary server using yum? Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT, USA School System From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 2 21:22:17 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:22:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] samba 3.0.23a - cannot join domain In-Reply-To: <4420.192.168.0.21.1154551269.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <44D10B46.7020401@alltel.net> <4420.192.168.0.21.1154551269.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: <44D11789.8000106@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us wrote: > I just did a yum update this morning and it installed samba > 3.0.23a-1.fc5.1. Now, I can no longer join new XP Pro PC's to the domain. > After bringing down the server and bringing up it's backup which still > had 3.0.22-1.fc5, I had no problems adding a lab full of PC's. I am still > using smbpasswd support for this server and this is the PDC. I migrated > the passwd, shadow and smbpasswd files from the backup server to the > primary server and now am able to use the new PC's. > > I just reported this to the samba list. > > So how do I find the install package for samba 3.0.22-1.fc5 and reinstall > it on our primary server using yum? > > Mark Orenstein > East Granby, CT, USA School System It looks like you can specify a version number, such as: yum install samba-common-3.0.22-1.fc5 samba-3.0.22-1.fc5 You'll have to remove the old (newer;-) packages first, which will likely be a pain. I would download the packages and install them by hand... you can usually find the previous releases in the updates directory on your favorite Fedora mirror, such as: ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/5/i386/ Grab the files you want, then run: rpm -Uhv --oldpackage samba*.rpm -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 2 22:10:33 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 15:10:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #4 Message-ID: <44D122D9.8040305@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> K12LTSP 5.0.0 release candidate #4 has been uploaded. With any luck, this will be the last release candidate. This is assuming that there are no last minute changes included in the soon-to-be-officially-released LTSP 4.2 update 3. Two previously reported issues, 1) TuxType was missing and 2) the nat package prevented access to a local web server, should work as expected in RC4. Please give this build a very thorough test and report any and all issues that you see. The repositories have been updated, if you have an earlier beta installed you can simply run "yum update". Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . -Eric From lists at paulandmichelle.net Wed Aug 2 22:33:02 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:33:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap installer on fc5 64bit In-Reply-To: <44C4E775.4030507@gccsda.com> Message-ID: <20060802223250.5515D4905B0@ephesus.modevia.com> I just ran into the same issue. I'm not on 64bit... but am on FC5. I get exactly the same errors as her. Thoughts?? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Ken Arany Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:30 AM To: K12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap installer on fc5 64bit Hi, I have been working with FC5 64bit RC2. I have everything installed the way I would like it to be, but I'm still having a problem with smbldap. Both Samba and ldap work fine until I install the smbldap installer from www.majen.net/smbldap latest-bleeding-edge. I have tested to the point where I have two identical servers with the exact same install. On the first server I start smb and ldap they will stay running for hours without giving any problems and I can run 'net getlocalsid' and it will respond with the sid. However the second server that I try to install, first with the smldap-install and then the smbldap-configure, it completes the first script, but then fails getting the local sid in the second script. I have tried getting the sid manually with 'net getlocalsid' and the response that I get back is this: [2006/07/24 11:08:20, 0] lib/smbldap.c:smb_ldap_setup_conn(638) ldap_initialize: Bad parameter to an ldap routine I get this message over and over again until I crtl+C. When I try to connect to the ldap with ldapbrowser it will authenticate, but says that "list fails" even though ldap is started and running according to 'service ldap status'. I believe that I have everything I need installed on the server samba-client-3.0.23-1.fc5 samba-common-3.0.23-1.fc5 samba-common-3.0.23-1.fc5 samba-3.0.23-1.fc5openldap-2.3.19-4 openldap-2.3.19-4 openldap-clients-2.3.19-4 openldap-devel-2.3.19-4 openldap-servers-2.3.19-4 nss_ldap-249-1 I'm not sure what I've done wrong, but I really need to get these servers out soon. Can anyone help me with this please? Thanks in advance Ken Arany Georgia-Cumberland Conference IT Services _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ssanders at coin.org Wed Aug 2 23:51:08 2006 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:51:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FC5, Metada file does not match checksums, dialup In-Reply-To: <774593a20607281838j3c1564d8u863a2276b894371@mail.gmail.com> References: <44CA4E49.9030707@paasda.org> <774593a20607281838j3c1564d8u863a2276b894371@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1154562669.13389.28.camel@bofh.ltsp> I am anxiously awaiting the new release along with everyone else! A note to dialup users, however. I am experimenting with base FC5, and it appears that after the initial install, you must be online to install packages from the CDs? This is apparently also true for FC4, but in my last fresh install of 4.4.x I am running, I went through the initial choices at length, and installed most of what I wanted on the first pass. Updates on dialup are lengthy of course, but doable (in small doses). In my test FC5 box, I just installed a few things to get it running, then later wanted to add something from CD. I got my repos scrambled for awhile, and was puzzled to see that neither the Software Updater (pirut) nor Yum would run (apt-get still worked). Running yum check-update failed with a message about 'Metadata file does not match checksums, trying next mirror'. After it went through half a dozen mirrors, I killed it. After some searching, I found that running 'yum clean metadata' fixed all this! The next problem, was to be able to install the (many) things I wanted to from CD, instead of via dialup. A good discussion was found on http://www.city-fan.org/tips/YumRepoFromImages about this. In a nutshell, it involves copying your original DVD/CD ISO images to a directory, and using them for a local repo. If you are not online at all, you have to disable the other ones (core, extras, updates, etc). This was very helpful info. I know the bulk of the list is not in dialup-land like me, but I know there are a few that are. It would be best to install kitchen+sink initially, and just remove things later as wanted... I am copying the FC5 info here, for the sake of future Googlings on this subject. thx Scott S. Fedora Core 5 It's particularly useful to set up a local [core] repository in Fedora Core 5 because pirut, the standard GUI package manager application, is built on yum and will hence take files from your local repository instead of having to go to the Internet to get them - pirut currently doesn't support installation from CD/DVD natively. Using DVD ISO In Fedora Core 5, the installer is based on yum and so there is actually yum repository metadata present on the DVD. This makes the process of setting up the local repository even easier, since you don't need to create the metadata yourself. 1. Create a directory for your repository and mount the DVD ISO there: # mkdir -p /path/to/your/repo # mount -r -o loop /path/to/FC-5-i386-DVD.iso /path/to/your/repo 2. Ensure that the DVD ISO image is mounted at every reboot * edit /etc/fstab and add new line: /path/to/FC-5-i386-DVD.iso /path/to/your/repo iso9660 ro,loop 0 0 3. Configure yum to use your new repository * edit /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-core.repo * comment out any line starting with baseurl or mirrorlist in the [core] repository section at the top * add a new line: baseurl=file:///path/to/your/repo Using CD ISO images /!\ Note: I don't have the CD ISO images myself so I haven't tested this procedure with Fedora Core 5. Creating a repository from CD ISO images is somewhat more complicated, since there are multiple images. There are a number of approaches that could be taken to work around this: * Use something like jigdo to create a single image equivalent to the DVD ISO (jigdo templates for Fedora Core 5 can be found at http://www.jburgess.uklinux.net/jigdo/index.html) * Mount all of the CD images simultaneously and create a symlink farm to the packages on each CD * Copy the packages from the CD images and make a local repo that's independent of the original CD images I've chosen to take the latter approach here. 1. Create a directory on your system to hold the repository. It will need to be on a filesystem that has at least 3GB of free space. Then copy the RPM packages and comps.xml file from your CD images into it. # mkdir -p /path/to/your/repo/RPMS # cd /path/to/your/repo # mkdir disc1 disc2 disc3 disc4 disc5 # mount -r -o loop /path/to/FC-5-i386-disc1.iso disc1 # mount -r -o loop /path/to/FC-5-i386-disc2.iso disc2 # mount -r -o loop /path/to/FC-5-i386-disc3.iso disc3 # mount -r -o loop /path/to/FC-5-i386-disc4.iso disc4 # mount -r -o loop /path/to/FC-5-i386-disc5.iso disc5 # cp disc*/Fedora/RPMS/* RPMS # cp disc1/repodata/comps.xml . 2. You no longer need the CD images, so you can unmount them and remove the mountpoint directories. # umount disc1 disc2 disc3 disc4 disc5 # rmdir disc1 disc2 disc3 disc4 disc5 3. Create the repository metadata. # rpm -Uvh RPMS/createrepo* # createrepo -g comps.xml . 4. Configure yum to use your new repository * edit /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-core.repo * comment out any line starting with baseurl or mirrorlist in the [core] repository section at the top * add a new line: baseurl=file:///path/to/your/repo Using Add/Remove Software With No Network Connection If you want to use the Add/Remove Software application (pirut) with no network connection, you'll need to disable all of the yum repositories apart from your local one. By default, the only enabled repositories are core (which is now served by your local repository), updates, and extras. You can disable these repositories by changing the line enabled=1 to enabled=0 in /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo and /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-extras.repo respectively. If at a later time you have an Internet connection available and would like to update your system or install something from Fedora Extras, you can enable these repositories on the yum command line without needing to edit the .repo files again, e.g.: # yum --enablerepo=updates --enablerepo=extras update # yum --enablerepo=updates --enablerepo=extras install somepackage From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Thu Aug 3 00:44:23 2006 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 20:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] samba 3.0.23a - cannot join domain In-Reply-To: <44D11789.8000106@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44D10B46.7020401@alltel.net> <4420.192.168.0.21.1154551269.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> <44D11789.8000106@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1094.4.156.81.240.1154565863.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> > mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us wrote: >> I just did a yum update this morning and it installed samba >> 3.0.23a-1.fc5.1. Now, I can no longer join new XP Pro PC's to the >> domain. >> After bringing down the server and bringing up it's backup which still >> had 3.0.22-1.fc5, I had no problems adding a lab full of PC's. I am >> still >> using smbpasswd support for this server and this is the PDC. I migrated >> the passwd, shadow and smbpasswd files from the backup server to the >> primary server and now am able to use the new PC's. >> >> I just reported this to the samba list. >> >> So how do I find the install package for samba 3.0.22-1.fc5 and >> reinstall >> it on our primary server using yum? >> >> Mark Orenstein >> East Granby, CT, USA School System > > > It looks like you can specify a version number, such as: > > yum install samba-common-3.0.22-1.fc5 samba-3.0.22-1.fc5 > > You'll have to remove the old (newer;-) packages first, which will > likely be a pain. > > > I would download the packages and install them by hand... you can > usually find the previous releases in the updates directory on your > favorite Fedora mirror, such as: > > ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/5/i386/ > > > Grab the files you want, then run: > > rpm -Uhv --oldpackage samba*.rpm > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Thanks Eric, I'll give it a try when I get back to school on Fri. or Mon. Mark From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Aug 3 02:20:03 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:20:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Totem player in K12LTSP with FC5 Message-ID: <44D15D53.50402@elp.rr.com> I installed one of the test versions and have not had any trouble with the operating system itself but I did run into a problem with Totem player. When I attempted to play an .asf video I downloaded from United streaming.com It told me I needed to add a proprietary plugin. I looked in the help file and found out how I am supposed to install the plugin but the menu choice is not present under any part of Totem player. Is it located someplace else? Can you guys help or do I need to see if there is a Totem.org or a wiki someplace? If I need to look elsewhere, where do I need to look? Thanks Pat From scott at hosef.org Thu Aug 3 06:29:25 2006 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:29:25 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #4 In-Reply-To: <44D122D9.8040305@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44D122D9.8040305@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44D197C5.8090905@hosef.org> Eric Harrison wrote: > K12LTSP 5.0.0 release candidate #4 has been uploaded. > > With any luck, this will be the last release candidate. This is assuming > that there are no last minute changes included in the > soon-to-be-officially-released LTSP 4.2 update 3. > > Two previously reported issues, 1) TuxType was missing and 2) the nat > package prevented access to a local web server, should work as expected > in RC4. > > Please give this build a very thorough test and report any and all > issues that you see. Eric As always, WOW, and good work. When I'm feeling a little beat down and tired, I draw inspiration from how hard you work. I have upgraded a few of our projects to 5.0.0, and I have encountered some issues. First, I should point out that I installed RC1. Best I can tell, other than the RAID controller issues, there have been no critical bugs that would interfere with a vanilla install using the RC1 disks. 1. Boys and Girls Club Update At the BGC of Hawaii, I just updated our FC3-based install. Yes, after more than two years of heavy teenage use, this lab is still chugging. I did a clean install of K12LTSP5rc1, and all but two of the clients rebooted with the following message RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0. Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(1,0) What's perplexing is that all the clients are in the same switch and are the same architecture. I am updating the packages tonight, but as it stands the default install has some issues. 2. Community Park Update We put free wireless and a K12LTSP lab in one of our City parks a few weeks ago. K12LTSP4.4 was working great. An update to 5 brought the lab down. Clients would take forever to boot, except for one, but they ran okay once they were up. I had the bandwidth to upgrade all the packages earlier today, and now it runs *great.* I have no idea what package was the 'fix.' > > > -Eric --scott From edward at netday.org.za Thu Aug 3 07:31:01 2006 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:31:01 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #4 In-Reply-To: <44D197C5.8090905@hosef.org> References: <44D122D9.8040305@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44D197C5.8090905@hosef.org> Message-ID: <0C1498B2-728F-4897-AC51-E4E6AE987C36@netday.org.za> > > 1. Boys and Girls Club Update > > At the BGC of Hawaii, I just updated our FC3-based install. Yes, > after more than two years of heavy teenage use, this lab is still > chugging. I did a clean install of K12LTSP5rc1, and all but two of > the clients rebooted with the following message > > RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0. > Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown- > block(1,0) > > What's perplexing is that all the clients are in the same switch > and are the same architecture. I am updating the packages tonight, > but as it stands the default install has some issues. > I am getting this same error and will be very interested to know how you solve it. Will run a yum update today to see if that resolves anything. I found that it occurs on clients with rtl8139 etherboot cards. My 3c905 PXE cards work fine. cheers ed Edward Holcroft Executive Director: NetDay South Africa From karisue at gmail.com Thu Aug 3 07:39:51 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 02:39:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Installing Centre Message-ID: I have a hosting package w/ cPanel. I'm dead in the water with my Centre install. The errors are all sequence-related. Example: ERROR: permission denied for sequence staff_seq Argh! I don't have shell access; does anyone have any idea how to fix this? I do have phpPgAdmin, but I don't see any options for changing permissions for sequences in there. Thanks, Kari -- *-*-*-*-*-* blog.karimatthews.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Thu Aug 3 09:22:09 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:22:09 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] ncd thinstar 200 WinCE thin client does it work with LTSP? Message-ID: Anybody know if these will work with LTSP? -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Thu Aug 3 09:25:19 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:25:19 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] adding Scsi drives to desktop Message-ID: I have an desktop that I am using as my server. It has AMD 2500XP on MSI KT6 Delta Motherboard. Can I put a pci scsi card on this computer and run u320 scsi hard drives with it? Would this boost performance? I have seen an HP 64 Bit/133 MHZ PCI-x dual Channel ultra 320 Internal SCSI Card at an auction and wondered if it would be worth getting. -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Thu Aug 3 10:14:34 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:14:34 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] install using PXE Message-ID: How do I use PXE to install K12LTSP on a new box? I guess I just use DHCP.conf to point to a location where the installation file of disk one is located (to download using TFTP). Once the installer starts I use the install using NFS option. Exactly which files do I need to copy and where to...? -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Aug 3 11:33:09 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 06:33:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Problems with local devices floppy drive In-Reply-To: <20060801164438.38541.qmail@web53508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060801164438.38541.qmail@web53508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1B5F64EC-1283-4013-A007-A75120FB9EF5@mindfirestudios.com> On Aug 1, 2006, at 11:44 AM, Luis Hurtiz wrote: > which results in Authentification failed error, I compiled fuse > myself and check that in fact fusermount is install suid and with > the right permissions as said in the wiki, I have track down the > problem all the way to the line /usr/sbin/ltspfs ${WS}:/tmp/drives/$ > {SHARENAME} ${HOME}/${DRIVEDIR}/${SHARENAME} when trying to run > ltspfs is when Authentification failed is issued, I can't access > the terminal via ssh (haven't been able to figure out how to create > the permissions) so probably that isn't the main issue as it seems > the script tries to mount the tmp directory in the terminal, one > other obstacle is that FUSE is not in the kernel in slackware I > just compiled the module and loaded it, What am I doing wrong?.... I missed the earlier part of the thread, so this may or may not be relevant, but Slackware doesn't use PAM authentication. Would that have any impact on this? From dhbarr at gozelle.com Thu Aug 3 11:47:04 2006 From: dhbarr at gozelle.com (David H. Barr) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 06:47:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] adding Scsi drives to desktop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not sure which version of the KT6 Delta you're using ( http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=474 ), but it doesn't look to me like any of them have a PCI-X slot ( http://www.msi.com.tw/images/product_img/mbd_img/6590v2.0.jpg ). So dual-channel u320 (probably 10k rpm?) drives would absolutely saturate your PCI bus. You -can- install a PCI SCSI card, but you likely won't get much in the way of added value from a top-end controller like that HP; and in fact, not all PCI-X cards will even function on a vanilla PCI bus (although some will). Regards, -dhbarr. On 8/3/06, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > I have an desktop that I am using as my server. It has AMD 2500XP on > MSI KT6 Delta Motherboard. Can I put a pci scsi card on this computer > and run u320 scsi hard drives with it? Would this boost performance? > I have seen an HP 64 Bit/133 MHZ PCI-x dual Channel ultra 320 Internal > SCSI Card at an auction and wondered if it would be worth getting. > > -- > Please note my new email address- > krsnendu108 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Aug 3 12:40:22 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 07:40:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying fix?? Message-ID: The transparent proxy script should only redirect traffic on the internal interface to the squid/squidguard/dg port. I've noticed that it doesn't do this, it redirects traffic from both interfaces. Is this intentional or accidental? Am I missing something? From moquist at majen.net Thu Aug 3 12:45:27 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:45:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap installer on fc5 64bit (Paul Lemke) In-Reply-To: <20060803113332.3765F73359@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060803113332.3765F73359@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060803124527.GA19595@majen.net> I just tested to be completely sure (since I changed 'ldapclient' the other day) and FC5 works fine for me. I booted a fresh system, disabled selinux and the firewall, ran './smbldap all', added users, rebooted, and logged in as one of my LDAP users. Are you running the smbldap-installer on a freshly-installed FC5 system *before* you run updates? Did you disable selinux? Did you disable the firewall? --matt > From: "Paul Lemke" > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] smbldap installer on fc5 64bit > I just ran into the same issue. I'm not on 64bit... but am on FC5. I get > exactly the same errors as her. Thoughts?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Ken Arany > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:30 AM > To: K12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap installer on fc5 64bit > > Hi, > > I have been working with FC5 64bit RC2. I have everything installed the > way I would like it to be, but I'm still having a problem with smbldap. > Both Samba and ldap work fine until I install the smbldap installer from > www.majen.net/smbldap latest-bleeding-edge. I have tested to the point > where I have two identical servers with the exact same install. On the > first server I start smb and ldap they will stay running for hours > without giving any problems and I can run 'net getlocalsid' and it will > respond with the sid. However the second server that I try to install, > first with the smldap-install and then the smbldap-configure, it > completes the first script, but then fails getting the local sid in the > second script. I have tried getting the sid manually with 'net > getlocalsid' and the response that I get back is this: > > [2006/07/24 11:08:20, 0] lib/smbldap.c:smb_ldap_setup_conn(638) > ldap_initialize: Bad parameter to an ldap routine > > I get this message over and over again until I crtl+C. When I try to > connect to the ldap with ldapbrowser it will authenticate, but says that > "list fails" even though ldap is started and running according to > 'service ldap status'. > > I believe that I have everything I need installed on the server > > samba-client-3.0.23-1.fc5 > samba-common-3.0.23-1.fc5 > samba-common-3.0.23-1.fc5 > samba-3.0.23-1.fc5openldap-2.3.19-4 > openldap-2.3.19-4 > openldap-clients-2.3.19-4 > openldap-devel-2.3.19-4 > openldap-servers-2.3.19-4 > nss_ldap-249-1 > > I'm not sure what I've done wrong, but I really need to get these > servers out soon. Can anyone help me with this please? > Thanks in advance > > Ken Arany > Georgia-Cumberland Conference > IT Services -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From edward at netday.org.za Thu Aug 3 12:47:30 2006 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:47:30 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #4 In-Reply-To: <0C1498B2-728F-4897-AC51-E4E6AE987C36@netday.org.za> References: <44D122D9.8040305@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44D197C5.8090905@hosef.org> <0C1498B2-728F-4897-AC51-E4E6AE987C36@netday.org.za> Message-ID: On 03 Aug 2006, at 9:31 AM, Edward Holcroft wrote: >> >> 1. Boys and Girls Club Update >> >> At the BGC of Hawaii, I just updated our FC3-based install. Yes, >> after more than two years of heavy teenage use, this lab is still >> chugging. I did a clean install of K12LTSP5rc1, and all but two >> of the clients rebooted with the following message >> >> RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0. >> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on >> unknown-block(1,0) >> >> What's perplexing is that all the clients are in the same switch >> and are the same architecture. I am updating the packages >> tonight, but as it stands the default install has some issues. >> > > I am getting this same error and will be very interested to know > how you solve it. Will run a yum update today to see if that > resolves anything. I found that it occurs on clients with rtl8139 > etherboot cards. My 3c905 PXE cards work fine. > Just did a yum update to RC4 but I am still getting the error. Same error with different types of clients from P1's through to P3's. The only consistent component is the rtl8139 NIC, which seems consistently to produce the kernel panic. Tried a whole bunch of cards too, so it's not just one bad card producing an error. These same clients all boot just fine off a 4.4.1 server. ed From lists at paulandmichelle.net Thu Aug 3 12:50:44 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 07:50:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap installer on fc5 64bit (Paul Lemke) In-Reply-To: <20060803124527.GA19595@majen.net> Message-ID: <20060803125044.70A9749053C@ephesus.modevia.com> Hmmm... I did a "yum upgrade" a few days ago, then tried to run some smbldap scripts and then I started to get this error. Which package specifically would it be? Or is it a multitude of them? Btw... I really don't want to whip the box and reinstall everything. Any thoughts on how to fix this? Thanks a ton! Paul -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Matt Oquist Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:45 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap installer on fc5 64bit (Paul Lemke) I just tested to be completely sure (since I changed 'ldapclient' the other day) and FC5 works fine for me. I booted a fresh system, disabled selinux and the firewall, ran './smbldap all', added users, rebooted, and logged in as one of my LDAP users. Are you running the smbldap-installer on a freshly-installed FC5 system *before* you run updates? Did you disable selinux? Did you disable the firewall? --matt > From: "Paul Lemke" > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] smbldap installer on fc5 64bit > I just ran into the same issue. I'm not on 64bit... but am on FC5. I get > exactly the same errors as her. Thoughts?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Ken Arany > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:30 AM > To: K12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap installer on fc5 64bit > > Hi, > > I have been working with FC5 64bit RC2. I have everything installed the > way I would like it to be, but I'm still having a problem with smbldap. > Both Samba and ldap work fine until I install the smbldap installer from > www.majen.net/smbldap latest-bleeding-edge. I have tested to the point > where I have two identical servers with the exact same install. On the > first server I start smb and ldap they will stay running for hours > without giving any problems and I can run 'net getlocalsid' and it will > respond with the sid. However the second server that I try to install, > first with the smldap-install and then the smbldap-configure, it > completes the first script, but then fails getting the local sid in the > second script. I have tried getting the sid manually with 'net > getlocalsid' and the response that I get back is this: > > [2006/07/24 11:08:20, 0] lib/smbldap.c:smb_ldap_setup_conn(638) > ldap_initialize: Bad parameter to an ldap routine > > I get this message over and over again until I crtl+C. When I try to > connect to the ldap with ldapbrowser it will authenticate, but says that > "list fails" even though ldap is started and running according to > 'service ldap status'. > > I believe that I have everything I need installed on the server > > samba-client-3.0.23-1.fc5 > samba-common-3.0.23-1.fc5 > samba-common-3.0.23-1.fc5 > samba-3.0.23-1.fc5openldap-2.3.19-4 > openldap-2.3.19-4 > openldap-clients-2.3.19-4 > openldap-devel-2.3.19-4 > openldap-servers-2.3.19-4 > nss_ldap-249-1 > > I'm not sure what I've done wrong, but I really need to get these > servers out soon. Can anyone help me with this please? > Thanks in advance > > Ken Arany > Georgia-Cumberland Conference > IT Services -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ From edward at netday.org.za Thu Aug 3 14:53:09 2006 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 16:53:09 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #4 In-Reply-To: References: <44D122D9.8040305@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44D197C5.8090905@hosef.org> <0C1498B2-728F-4897-AC51-E4E6AE987C36@netday.org.za> Message-ID: >>> >>> At the BGC of Hawaii, I just updated our FC3-based install. Yes, >>> after more than two years of heavy teenage use, this lab is still >>> chugging. I did a clean install of K12LTSP5rc1, and all but two >>> of the clients rebooted with the following message >>> >>> RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0. >>> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on >>> unknown-block(1,0) >>> >>> What's perplexing is that all the clients are in the same switch >>> and are the same architecture. I am updating the packages >>> tonight, but as it stands the default install has some issues. >>> >> >> I am getting this same error and will be very interested to know >> how you solve it. Will run a yum update today to see if that >> resolves anything. I found that it occurs on clients with rtl8139 >> etherboot cards. My 3c905 PXE cards work fine. >> > > Just did a yum update to RC4 but I am still getting the error. Same > error with different types of clients from P1's through to P3's. > The only consistent component is the rtl8139 NIC, which seems > consistently to produce the kernel panic. Tried a whole bunch of > cards too, so it's not just one bad card producing an error. These > same clients all boot just fine off a 4.4.1 server. > Apologies for replying to myself, but I have just tested a thin client with Etherboot running on a natsemi 83815 and RC4. It idisplays the same issue. I have an Intel Pro100 and a Via Rhine that work happily on RC4 using the same client boxes, so I can rule out the clients as the root of the problem, as well as a specific rtl8139 issue. I am using 5.0.7 and 5.0.10 of Etherboot on these NICs. Is there a chance that the older Etherboot is incompatible with the 2.6 LTSP kernel? cheers ed From aust_txv at access-k12.org Thu Aug 3 15:28:05 2006 From: aust_txv at access-k12.org (aust_txv at access-k12.org) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:28:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NuBus Power Macintoshes as thin clients Message-ID: <206617.3363593285@[10.2.44.143]> Greetings, Anyone using Macintosh 5000 series (5260, 5400, 5500) devices as thins ? What about the mac single button mice ? Is it worth it to load up another k12LTSP server for a lab of Macintosh 5500 ? The 5000's run Mac OS 8.6 and are NuBus PPC 601's ( 602's ? ) Thanks, Tom Ventresco Austintown Local Schools From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Aug 3 15:19:15 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:19:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Where is it? Message-ID: The following statement is in the help files for Totem player: Proprietary Plugins You can add proprietary plugins to handle additional movie or audio files. To add proprietary plugins to Totem Movie Player, click on the Add Proprietary Plugins button. My question is where is this button hidden? I have searched everyting in Totem player that clicks, opens, or does anything and I can't find it. HELP! I need to be able to play the .asf video files from www.unitedstreaming.com Thanks Pat From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Aug 3 15:29:36 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 08:29:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #4 In-Reply-To: References: <44D122D9.8040305@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44D197C5.8090905@hosef.org> <0C1498B2-728F-4897-AC51-E4E6AE987C36@netday.org.za> Message-ID: <44D21660.1030704@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Edward Holcroft wrote: >>>> >>>> At the BGC of Hawaii, I just updated our FC3-based install. Yes, >>>> after more than two years of heavy teenage use, this lab is still >>>> chugging. I did a clean install of K12LTSP5rc1, and all but two of >>>> the clients rebooted with the following message >>>> >>>> RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0. >>>> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on >>>> unknown-block(1,0) >>>> >>>> What's perplexing is that all the clients are in the same switch and >>>> are the same architecture. I am updating the packages tonight, but >>>> as it stands the default install has some issues. >>>> >>> >>> I am getting this same error and will be very interested to know how >>> you solve it. Will run a yum update today to see if that resolves >>> anything. I found that it occurs on clients with rtl8139 etherboot >>> cards. My 3c905 PXE cards work fine. >>> >> >> Just did a yum update to RC4 but I am still getting the error. Same >> error with different types of clients from P1's through to P3's. The >> only consistent component is the rtl8139 NIC, which seems consistently >> to produce the kernel panic. Tried a whole bunch of cards too, so it's >> not just one bad card producing an error. These same clients all boot >> just fine off a 4.4.1 server. >> > Apologies for replying to myself, but I have just tested a thin client > with Etherboot running on a natsemi 83815 and RC4. It idisplays the same > issue. I have an Intel Pro100 and a Via Rhine that work happily on RC4 > using the same client boxes, so I can rule out the clients as the root > of the problem, as well as a specific rtl8139 issue. > > I am using 5.0.7 and 5.0.10 of Etherboot on these NICs. Is there a > chance that the older Etherboot is incompatible with the 2.6 LTSP kernel? > > cheers > ed > I don't think it is etherboot, I think it is the kernel. Jim and I were chatting last night... there is a slight difference between the LTSP and the K12LTSP kernels, we decided that probably would not be an issue. Famous last words ;-) We have one terminal here that won't boot off the K12LTSP kernel, but does with the LTSP kernel. I get the same error you have reported. So, I'll rebuild the K12LTSP kernel package and we'll see if that solves the problem. I should have it done within an hour or so. -Eric From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Aug 3 16:53:18 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:53:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Where is it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Go to the MPlayer site....download and install the win32 codecs. You are trying to play windows proprietary formats....you need the appropiate codecs to do so. You may want to switch to MPlayer as the default player in this case, but the codecs should work with totem....you may need to change something in the preferences. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Aug 3 16:55:33 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:55:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Where is it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: See my other post....but see this page as well http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mplayer-fedora.html#additional and http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mplayer-fedora.html "Support list for open source software in schools." on Thursday, August 3, 2006 at 11:19 AM +0000 wrote: >The following statement is in the help files for Totem player: > >Proprietary Plugins > > You can add proprietary plugins to handle additional movie or audio >files. To add proprietary plugins to Totem Movie Player, click on the >Add Proprietary Plugins button. > >My question is where is this button hidden? I have searched everyting >in Totem player that clicks, opens, or does anything and I can't find >it. HELP! I need to be able to play the .asf video files from >www.unitedstreaming.com > >Thanks >Pat > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Aug 3 16:55:33 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:55:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Where is it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: See my other post....but see this page as well http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mplayer-fedora.html#additional and http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mplayer-fedora.html "Support list for open source software in schools." on Thursday, August 3, 2006 at 11:19 AM +0000 wrote: >The following statement is in the help files for Totem player: > >Proprietary Plugins > > You can add proprietary plugins to handle additional movie or audio >files. To add proprietary plugins to Totem Movie Player, click on the >Add Proprietary Plugins button. > >My question is where is this button hidden? I have searched everyting >in Totem player that clicks, opens, or does anything and I can't find >it. HELP! I need to be able to play the .asf video files from >www.unitedstreaming.com > >Thanks >Pat > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Thu Aug 3 17:10:50 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 05:10:50 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] adding Scsi drives to desktop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So it seems if I want to get the benefit from a u320 SCSI drive I will need to find a motherboard that supports it directly (probably cheaper) or a motherboard that supports PCI-X. Thanks. Krsnendu dasa On 03/08/06, David H. Barr wrote: > Not sure which version of the KT6 Delta you're using ( > http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=474 > ), but it doesn't look to me like any of them have a PCI-X slot ( > http://www.msi.com.tw/images/product_img/mbd_img/6590v2.0.jpg ). > > So dual-channel u320 (probably 10k rpm?) drives would absolutely > saturate your PCI bus. You -can- install a PCI SCSI card, but you > likely won't get much in the way of added value from a top-end > controller like that HP; and in fact, not all PCI-X cards will even > function on a vanilla PCI bus (although some will). > > Regards, > -dhbarr. > > > On 8/3/06, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > I have an desktop that I am using as my server. It has AMD 2500XP on > > MSI KT6 Delta Motherboard. Can I put a pci scsi card on this computer > > and run u320 scsi hard drives with it? Would this boost performance? > > I have seen an HP 64 Bit/133 MHZ PCI-x dual Channel ultra 320 Internal > > SCSI Card at an auction and wondered if it would be worth getting. > > > > -- > > Please note my new email address- > > krsnendu108 at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Aug 3 17:59:39 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:59:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #4 In-Reply-To: <44D21660.1030704@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44D122D9.8040305@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44D197C5.8090905@hosef.org> <0C1498B2-728F-4897-AC51-E4E6AE987C36@netday.org.za> <44D21660.1030704@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44D2398B.5000606@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > Edward Holcroft wrote: >>>>> At the BGC of Hawaii, I just updated our FC3-based install. Yes, >>>>> after more than two years of heavy teenage use, this lab is still >>>>> chugging. I did a clean install of K12LTSP5rc1, and all but two of >>>>> the clients rebooted with the following message >>>>> >>>>> RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0. >>>>> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on >>>>> unknown-block(1,0) >>>>> >>>>> What's perplexing is that all the clients are in the same switch and >>>>> are the same architecture. I am updating the packages tonight, but >>>>> as it stands the default install has some issues. >>>>> >>>> I am getting this same error and will be very interested to know how >>>> you solve it. Will run a yum update today to see if that resolves >>>> anything. I found that it occurs on clients with rtl8139 etherboot >>>> cards. My 3c905 PXE cards work fine. >>>> >>> Just did a yum update to RC4 but I am still getting the error. Same >>> error with different types of clients from P1's through to P3's. The >>> only consistent component is the rtl8139 NIC, which seems consistently >>> to produce the kernel panic. Tried a whole bunch of cards too, so it's >>> not just one bad card producing an error. These same clients all boot >>> just fine off a 4.4.1 server. >>> >> Apologies for replying to myself, but I have just tested a thin client >> with Etherboot running on a natsemi 83815 and RC4. It idisplays the same >> issue. I have an Intel Pro100 and a Via Rhine that work happily on RC4 >> using the same client boxes, so I can rule out the clients as the root >> of the problem, as well as a specific rtl8139 issue. >> >> I am using 5.0.7 and 5.0.10 of Etherboot on these NICs. Is there a >> chance that the older Etherboot is incompatible with the 2.6 LTSP kernel? >> >> cheers >> ed >> > > > I don't think it is etherboot, I think it is the kernel. > > > Jim and I were chatting last night... there is a slight difference > between the LTSP and the K12LTSP kernels, we decided that probably would > not be an issue. Famous last words ;-) > > We have one terminal here that won't boot off the K12LTSP kernel, but > does with the LTSP kernel. I get the same error you have reported. > > So, I'll rebuild the K12LTSP kernel package and we'll see if that solves > the problem. I should have it done within an hour or so. > > -Eric > A new ltsp_i386-boot package has been added to the repositories. Give this a spin & let us know how it goes... -Eric From nathan at grandvache.com Thu Aug 3 18:09:00 2006 From: nathan at grandvache.com (nathan at grandvache.com) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:09:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Centre Message-ID: <200608031809.k73I97ZX014905@njbrsmtp2.vzwmail.net> Has having played around with v2.0 and up many errors of this type seem to come from php versions installed. PHP 5 is different from PHP 4 and in quite a few instances is not backwards compatible. I would strongly suggest that you sign up for free access the Centre forums at the miller-group.net which contains a mountain of help (searchable) for everything from install to operations. Yes - the manuals/ published docs are minimal. I have posted in there several times and received quick & helpful responses. Nathan Shaffer St. John the Apostle Catholic School Oregon City, OR nshaffer at sja.pvt.k12.or.us From karisue at gmail.com Thu Aug 3 18:16:34 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:16:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Centre In-Reply-To: <200608031809.k73I97ZX014905@njbrsmtp2.vzwmail.net> References: <200608031809.k73I97ZX014905@njbrsmtp2.vzwmail.net> Message-ID: Nathan, Thanks for the responses. I didn't find what I was looking for at the Miller-Group forums, but did eventually figure it out just by messing around. It took about 10 hours, believe it or not. This is mostly b/c my errors didn't turn up much of anything on Google. Regardless, I have been successful -- NOW I need to write it all out and post it so the next poor sap using cPanel has a clue. Life stinks when you don't have a bash shell. Thanks for your helpful suggestions. Peace in & out, Kari On 8/3/06, nathan at grandvache.com wrote: > > Has having played around with v2.0 and up many errors of this type seem to > come from php versions installed. PHP 5 is different from PHP 4 and in > quite a few instances is not backwards compatible. > > I would strongly suggest that you sign up for free access the Centre > forums at the miller-group.net which contains a mountain of help > (searchable) for everything from install to operations. Yes - the manuals/ > published docs are minimal. I have posted in there several times and > received quick & helpful responses. > > Nathan Shaffer > St. John the Apostle Catholic School > Oregon City, OR > nshaffer at sja.pvt.k12.or.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- *-*-*-*-*-* blog.karimatthews.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at hosef.org Thu Aug 3 19:39:43 2006 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:39:43 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Running in to an Edubuntu Wall Message-ID: <44D250FF.4010609@hosef.org> I have been messing with Edubuntu to see how ready it is for some of our projects. We have several teachers wanting to run GRASS and other more ambitious applications. Having the debian repositories available makes this more stable. Everyone seems to have had a much easier time of this than I, and documentation is pretty spotty. There are three main references I worked from. (1) is from this list and has Jim's way to work around LDM. (2) is a brief summary of how the install took place for one person in 20 minutes. (3) is the Ubuntu how-to, but it references non-existent documents for getting thin-clients to run with Edubuntu. (1) http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2006-June/msg00345.html (2) http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2006-July/msg00279.html (3) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClients My client is a Dell Optiplex Gs, 48mb, PXE NIC. Issues 1. ebnet and UBF floppies do not boot clients. They produce the error "loading 192.168.0.254:/pxelinux.0.......error, not a valid image" The same clients boot great with a PXE enabled NIC. 2. eth0 has to be configured, and dhcp likely has to be edited 3. Clients that work great with K12LTSP will not work as well with Edubuntu. I had to use VESA emulation for some of my workhorses. 4. This is hardly the place just to cry about problems. At the end I have a proposed 'fix.' Synopsis Installation is pretty but not intuitive. Using an Edubuntu Install ISO, I chose to install to the hard drive. It is not possible to type 'server' at the prompt as directions (2) indicate. The one decision to make during the install is network configuration. You will not be prompted to set up your LAN. You will be asked to configure your PRIMARY network interface. This is what you use to connect to your WAN. (Note, Debian and RedHat reverse the ethX order, so eth1 on rhat is eth0 on debian. This matters if you dual boot between the different distros.) Upon completion of the install, you should have a functioning Edubuntu Desktop. I cannot boot clients from this. Why? Because my LAN is not configured. Using the GUI tool, I give eth0 192.168.0.254/255.255.255.0. I did not try to boot a client after this. Why? Because my DHCP server is configured to query /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf, and this file has my Gateway and DNS set to 192.168.0.1. I have no idea why, and, perhaps I should have just made eth0 192.168.0.1. Instead, I edited this file and made my GW and DNS match the eth0 address. One really should edit /etc/default/dhcp* and set your DHCP interface to eth0, but it will work if you do no. Now I could boot a client. It did not complete, though. Depending on what documentation one references, my 48mb RAM is marginal for the whole SSH tunnel LDM transaction. I was able to effortlessly boot a PIII600, 256MB, 8mb ATI card, PXE NIC. My PI Dell with an S3 card did not load X. It booted to runlevel 2. It has worked with *every* K12LTSP install. I tried Jim's suggestion (1) of editing innitab, turning off tty1, and directing X to tty1. My client stayed stuck on the checkered X screen, but no login. I tried editing lts.conf to include VESA as the default display. No Dice. I was able to make my PI 48mb S3 client boot from Edubuntu my undoing the suggestions in (1) and creating a lts.conf file that sets VESA as the default disply. Once booted, it ran quite nicely. Frustratingly, NO clients boot with an ebnet or a UBF diskette. I can only boot to Edubuntu with a NIC that has the ROM embedded. They produce the error ""loading 192.168.0.254:/pxelinux.0.......error, not a valid image" So, after far more than just 20 minutes, I was able to get an Edubuntu thin-client lab up and running, but with issues. I have not yet tested NAT, but I feel pretty certain that I have to turn it on, too. If you made it this far, I commend you. Now, what do we have to do to integrate these tweaks into Edubuntu and redistribute it? This is what you do, Eric, with the K12LTSP. I'd like to be able to help rather than just crying about what is not right. --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/Executive Director The Hawai`i Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 2644 Ewa Beach, HI 96706 808.689.6518 phone/fax scott at hosef.org From scott at hosef.org Thu Aug 3 19:42:50 2006 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:42:50 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Outstanding Conversation Message-ID: <44D251BA.3090407@hosef.org> During the last week Knut and Gavin have had a very thorough and enlightening discussion about the design of distributions focused on education. The thread starts here. There are four messages including the first. http://lists.debian.org/debian-edu/2006/07/msg00111.html --scott From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Thu Aug 3 21:25:01 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:25:01 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh keys for new server Message-ID: Hi all. It's me again. Please excuse my frequent posts these days. I am about to transistion to the newest version of K12LTSP and I don't want to stuff things up. I hope you don't mind. When I install K12LTSP 5.0 on my new server, is there a way to keep the same ssh keys that I am currently using for nx and winscp? There are a few teachers using these programs and it would be a bit annoying to have to install new keys for each of them to access the new server. Any tips? -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com From les at futuresource.com Thu Aug 3 23:46:20 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 18:46:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh keys for new server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1154648780.3523.25.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 09:25 +1200, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > Hi all. It's me again. Please excuse my frequent posts these days. I > am about to transistion to the newest version of K12LTSP and I don't > want to stuff things up. I hope you don't mind. > > When I install K12LTSP 5.0 on my new server, is there a way to keep > the same ssh keys that I am currently using for nx and winscp? There > are a few teachers using these programs and it would be a bit annoying > to have to install new keys for each of them to access the new server. > Any tips? User's own private keys are stored in the .ssh directory, so if you copy the home directories or have them mounted from a machine that doesn't change you'll already have them. Nx uses the nx user for the initial connection, so the same applies to ~nx which will be /var/lib/nxserver/home/.ssh. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Aug 4 01:01:54 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:01:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] local apps in K12LTSP 5? How? Message-ID: Hi all, Just wondering if anyone has a quick how-to on getting local apps running in K12LTSP 5. I'd like to be able to do it without an NIS server if possible as I already use samba/ldap. I've seen the how-to on the ltsp.org site, but it's over a year old....I was wondering if things had become easier or something. Security is not a big issue at this point....I'm looking for quick and dirty. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From lists at paulandmichelle.net Fri Aug 4 01:24:19 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:24:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap installer on fc5 64bit (Paul Lemke) In-Reply-To: <20060803125044.70A9749053C@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <20060804012406.93A5A4903A4@ephesus.modevia.com> Anyone have any thoughts on why not to do an UPGRADE ? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Paul Lemke Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:51 AM To: 'Support list for open source software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap installer on fc5 64bit (Paul Lemke) Hmmm... I did a "yum upgrade" a few days ago, then tried to run some smbldap scripts and then I started to get this error. Which package specifically would it be? Or is it a multitude of them? Btw... I really don't want to whip the box and reinstall everything. Any thoughts on how to fix this? Thanks a ton! Paul -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Matt Oquist Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:45 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap installer on fc5 64bit (Paul Lemke) I just tested to be completely sure (since I changed 'ldapclient' the other day) and FC5 works fine for me. I booted a fresh system, disabled selinux and the firewall, ran './smbldap all', added users, rebooted, and logged in as one of my LDAP users. Are you running the smbldap-installer on a freshly-installed FC5 system *before* you run updates? Did you disable selinux? Did you disable the firewall? --matt > From: "Paul Lemke" > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] smbldap installer on fc5 64bit > I just ran into the same issue. I'm not on 64bit... but am on FC5. I get > exactly the same errors as her. Thoughts?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Ken Arany > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:30 AM > To: K12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap installer on fc5 64bit > > Hi, > > I have been working with FC5 64bit RC2. I have everything installed the > way I would like it to be, but I'm still having a problem with smbldap. > Both Samba and ldap work fine until I install the smbldap installer from > www.majen.net/smbldap latest-bleeding-edge. I have tested to the point > where I have two identical servers with the exact same install. On the > first server I start smb and ldap they will stay running for hours > without giving any problems and I can run 'net getlocalsid' and it will > respond with the sid. However the second server that I try to install, > first with the smldap-install and then the smbldap-configure, it > completes the first script, but then fails getting the local sid in the > second script. I have tried getting the sid manually with 'net > getlocalsid' and the response that I get back is this: > > [2006/07/24 11:08:20, 0] lib/smbldap.c:smb_ldap_setup_conn(638) > ldap_initialize: Bad parameter to an ldap routine > > I get this message over and over again until I crtl+C. When I try to > connect to the ldap with ldapbrowser it will authenticate, but says that > "list fails" even though ldap is started and running according to > 'service ldap status'. > > I believe that I have everything I need installed on the server > > samba-client-3.0.23-1.fc5 > samba-common-3.0.23-1.fc5 > samba-common-3.0.23-1.fc5 > samba-3.0.23-1.fc5openldap-2.3.19-4 > openldap-2.3.19-4 > openldap-clients-2.3.19-4 > openldap-devel-2.3.19-4 > openldap-servers-2.3.19-4 > nss_ldap-249-1 > > I'm not sure what I've done wrong, but I really need to get these > servers out soon. Can anyone help me with this please? > Thanks in advance > > Ken Arany > Georgia-Cumberland Conference > IT Services -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From lists at paulandmichelle.net Fri Aug 4 01:48:25 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:48:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap installer on fc5 64bit (Paul Lemke) In-Reply-To: <20060804012406.93A5A4903A4@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <20060804014811.E76334903AC@ephesus.modevia.com> Can I get a WOOT WOOT. Apparently... http://www.nabble.com/3.0.23-for-Debian-Sarge:-LDAP-problems-t1972556.html Quote: "I have found the reason for the problem: Samba 3.0.23 and 3.0.23a do not parse the "passdb backend" entry in the smb.conf correctly anymore (tested on Debian Sarge and FreeBSD 6.1). According to the smb.conf man page, it is allowed to put the ldap URIs in double qoutes: passdb backend = ldapsam:"ldap://ldap-1.example.com \ ldap://ldap-2.example.com" This does not work for 3.0.23(a) anymore, it works as soon as you remove the double quotes. I guess it has to do with the fact that the use of multiple passdb backends is not supported with 3.0.23." So I took the double quotes out of SMB.conf and it works! Something maybe to put in a patch. Paul -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Paul Lemke Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:24 PM To: 'Support list for open source software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap installer on fc5 64bit (Paul Lemke) Anyone have any thoughts on why not to do an UPGRADE ? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Paul Lemke Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:51 AM To: 'Support list for open source software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap installer on fc5 64bit (Paul Lemke) Hmmm... I did a "yum upgrade" a few days ago, then tried to run some smbldap scripts and then I started to get this error. Which package specifically would it be? Or is it a multitude of them? Btw... I really don't want to whip the box and reinstall everything. Any thoughts on how to fix this? Thanks a ton! Paul -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Matt Oquist Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:45 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap installer on fc5 64bit (Paul Lemke) I just tested to be completely sure (since I changed 'ldapclient' the other day) and FC5 works fine for me. I booted a fresh system, disabled selinux and the firewall, ran './smbldap all', added users, rebooted, and logged in as one of my LDAP users. Are you running the smbldap-installer on a freshly-installed FC5 system *before* you run updates? Did you disable selinux? Did you disable the firewall? --matt > From: "Paul Lemke" > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] smbldap installer on fc5 64bit > I just ran into the same issue. I'm not on 64bit... but am on FC5. I get > exactly the same errors as her. Thoughts?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Ken Arany > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:30 AM > To: K12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap installer on fc5 64bit > > Hi, > > I have been working with FC5 64bit RC2. I have everything installed the > way I would like it to be, but I'm still having a problem with smbldap. > Both Samba and ldap work fine until I install the smbldap installer from > www.majen.net/smbldap latest-bleeding-edge. I have tested to the point > where I have two identical servers with the exact same install. On the > first server I start smb and ldap they will stay running for hours > without giving any problems and I can run 'net getlocalsid' and it will > respond with the sid. However the second server that I try to install, > first with the smldap-install and then the smbldap-configure, it > completes the first script, but then fails getting the local sid in the > second script. I have tried getting the sid manually with 'net > getlocalsid' and the response that I get back is this: > > [2006/07/24 11:08:20, 0] lib/smbldap.c:smb_ldap_setup_conn(638) > ldap_initialize: Bad parameter to an ldap routine > > I get this message over and over again until I crtl+C. When I try to > connect to the ldap with ldapbrowser it will authenticate, but says that > "list fails" even though ldap is started and running according to > 'service ldap status'. > > I believe that I have everything I need installed on the server > > samba-client-3.0.23-1.fc5 > samba-common-3.0.23-1.fc5 > samba-common-3.0.23-1.fc5 > samba-3.0.23-1.fc5openldap-2.3.19-4 > openldap-2.3.19-4 > openldap-clients-2.3.19-4 > openldap-devel-2.3.19-4 > openldap-servers-2.3.19-4 > nss_ldap-249-1 > > I'm not sure what I've done wrong, but I really need to get these > servers out soon. Can anyone help me with this please? > Thanks in advance > > Ken Arany > Georgia-Cumberland Conference > IT Services -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Fri Aug 4 02:49:24 2006 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:49:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone seeing issues with fc5 & evolution-connector Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D784206467BE@hhpmail.media.local> Is anyone seeing issues with evolution-connector (the MS Exchange interface for Evolution) in FC5 and/or K12LTSP 5? I get horrible hangups and crashes (in Evolution) trying to use the most recent version. It only works if I downgrade, and even then I don't get access to Exchange's Global Address List (Yes, I'm stuck on exchange). It appears to be a Fedora core 5 issue...blech.... I guess I'm going to have to use the FC4 version of K12LTSP and roll the new LTSP 4.2 in so I can get the new localdev support.... Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org From les at futuresource.com Fri Aug 4 04:05:03 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 23:05:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone seeing issues with fc5 & evolution-connector In-Reply-To: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D784206467BE@hhpmail.media.local> References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D784206467BE@hhpmail.media.local> Message-ID: <1154664302.10535.30.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 21:49, Burroughs, Henry wrote: > Is anyone seeing issues with evolution-connector (the MS > Exchange interface for Evolution) in FC5 and/or K12LTSP 5? > I get horrible hangups and crashes (in Evolution) trying to > use the most recent version. It only works if I downgrade, > and even then I don't get access to Exchange's Global Address > List (Yes, I'm stuck on exchange). It appears to be a Fedora > core 5 issue...blech.... Yes, I had it mostly working with the version that shipped with FC5 but with the current update I've had to switch to IMAP access for email. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From edward at netday.org.za Fri Aug 4 08:32:35 2006 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 10:32:35 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #4 In-Reply-To: <44D2398B.5000606@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44D122D9.8040305@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44D197C5.8090905@hosef.org> <0C1498B2-728F-4897-AC51-E4E6AE987C36@netday.org.za> <44D21660.1030704@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44D2398B.5000606@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <9F0EE8BD-0407-4DE4-9471-8EF4FF8BF39D@netday.org.za> >>>>>> >>>>>> RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0. >>>>>> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on >>>>>> unknown-block(1,0) >>>>>> >> >> >> I don't think it is etherboot, I think it is the kernel. >> > > A new ltsp_i386-boot package has been added to the repositories. > > Give this a spin & let us know how it goes... When you're good you're good. Thanks Eric. Problem solved. cheers ed From moquist at majen.net Fri Aug 4 10:14:33 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 06:14:33 -0400 Subject: Fwd: RE: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap installer on fc5 64bit (Paul Lemke) In-Reply-To: References: <20060804012406.93A5A4903A4@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <20060804101433.GA29725@majen.net> > the use of multiple passdb backends is not supported with 3.0.23." That's very interesting. In any case, Gerald Carter goes on to reply on the page you reference: "Hmmmm...that should work. It certainly wasn't an intentional change. This patch should correct it." Ugh. I'm testing this right now, and I'm finding all kinds of other problems related to paths. It appears that smbldap-tools have been moved AGAIN(!!!!!?!?!?!) under /usr/sbin/, which is where they should've been in the first place. This means that if you run the installer with one version of smbldap tools, it will put a bunch of paths in your smb.conf. Then you run 'yum upgrade' and the executables all move, and you have to go around fixing things. I repeat: Ugh. From day one when I added Ubuntu support, I have never had a single issue, and I've never had to change a single thing since Hoary. Supporting FC has presented me with several issues just like this. (Granted, the samba bug would/will hit on Ubuntu as well, unless the delayed pace of package updates there works this time and the bug is fixed before Ubuntu gets the upgraded samba.) I'm not sure how soon I'll get to these fc5 problems. I'm out of town all next week and I won't have access to my test system(s). But I'll do what I can when I can. In the meantime, I've uploaded 3.0-gamma which does *not* include the silly quotes in smb.conf. --matt > Can I get a WOOT WOOT. Apparently... > http://www.nabble.com/3.0.23-for-Debian-Sarge:-LDAP-problems-t1972556.html > > Quote: "I have found the reason for the problem: Samba 3.0.23 and > 3.0.23a do not parse the "passdb backend" entry in the smb.conf > correctly anymore (tested on Debian Sarge and FreeBSD 6.1). > > According to the smb.conf man page, it is allowed to put the ldap > URIs in double qoutes: > > passdb backend = ldapsam:"ldap://ldap-1.example.com \ > ldap://ldap-2.example.com" > > This does not work for 3.0.23(a) anymore, it works as soon as you > remove the double quotes. I guess it has to do with the fact that > the use of multiple passdb backends is not supported with 3.0.23." > > So I took the double quotes out of SMB.conf and it works! > > Something maybe to put in a patch. -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <38939.70.33.151.214.1154688272.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <38939.70.33.151.214.1154688272.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <38939.70.33.151.214.1154688600.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> libnss-ldap as well > David:By rights we should compile pam_ldap in the lbe to get auth via > ldap on client..It may be pissible to steal a few libraries from Ubuntu > and drop em in /opt/ltsp and get away with it...ive done it with > smoothwall..chuck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at midmaine.com Fri Aug 4 12:08:01 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NuBus Power Macintoshes as thin clients In-Reply-To: <206617.3363593285@[10.2.44.143]> References: <206617.3363593285@[10.2.44.143]> Message-ID: <60658.70.33.151.214.1154693281.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> i used macintosh 5260 all in one "white anchors" as "chubby clients" by switchingto a laydown nubus dayna card..of which i have quite a few on the shelf..i believe there is info on the wiki on using mklinux booter with os 7.6.1 to load a kernel from the hard drive of the machine..then connect to your ltsp server...the old skip gaede nfsroot had issues with mouse not coming back on logout..but i think with Bill_c s nfsroot this problem was fixed..chuck From cliebow at midmaine.com Fri Aug 4 12:14:18 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NuBus Power Macintoshes as thin clients In-Reply-To: <206617.3363593285@[10.2.44.143]> References: <206617.3363593285@[10.2.44.143]> Message-ID: <60657.70.33.151.214.1154693658.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/CpuArchitectures#Power_PC_PPC From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Aug 4 13:11:21 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:11:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OSX question Message-ID: <6721E283-1B19-4FC4-85FD-414EA2653276@inlandlakes.org> I know this is a little off topic, so replies off list are welcome... I want to use my OSX Server to store the user information on my network. I want to do this so that I have finer control over the OSX clients in my network. I know how to point the K12LTSP server to authenticate from the OSX server -- but my problem is that my file server is a Linux machine. I have a VERY nice file server, and want to have the OSX server use it for home directories, but I'm not sure how to set that up... Is it possible to have my /home directory (and home directories in OSX) live on a linux box, and have the LDAP server be my OSX server? Thanks for any insight, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From lists at paulandmichelle.net Fri Aug 4 14:05:28 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:05:28 -0500 Subject: Fwd: RE: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap installer on fc5 64bit (Paul Lemke) In-Reply-To: <20060804101433.GA29725@majen.net> Message-ID: <20060804140528.0E200490365@ephesus.modevia.com> My last issue with this is that when I changed my servername from "domain-pdc" to "domainsrvr"... samba wasn't able to get a the localsid with this command... "net getlocalsid". What I did end up doing is executing "net getlocalsid domain-pdc" which game me the old SID, then executed a "net setlocalsid ***" to whatever it used to be. That worked and now the setup scripts ran beautifully. Thanks. Paul -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Matt Oquist Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 5:15 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap installer on fc5 64bit (Paul Lemke) > the use of multiple passdb backends is not supported with 3.0.23." That's very interesting. In any case, Gerald Carter goes on to reply on the page you reference: "Hmmmm...that should work. It certainly wasn't an intentional change. This patch should correct it." Ugh. I'm testing this right now, and I'm finding all kinds of other problems related to paths. It appears that smbldap-tools have been moved AGAIN(!!!!!?!?!?!) under /usr/sbin/, which is where they should've been in the first place. This means that if you run the installer with one version of smbldap tools, it will put a bunch of paths in your smb.conf. Then you run 'yum upgrade' and the executables all move, and you have to go around fixing things. I repeat: Ugh. >From day one when I added Ubuntu support, I have never had a single issue, and I've never had to change a single thing since Hoary. Supporting FC has presented me with several issues just like this. (Granted, the samba bug would/will hit on Ubuntu as well, unless the delayed pace of package updates there works this time and the bug is fixed before Ubuntu gets the upgraded samba.) I'm not sure how soon I'll get to these fc5 problems. I'm out of town all next week and I won't have access to my test system(s). But I'll do what I can when I can. In the meantime, I've uploaded 3.0-gamma which does *not* include the silly quotes in smb.conf. --matt > Can I get a WOOT WOOT. Apparently... > http://www.nabble.com/3.0.23-for-Debian-Sarge:-LDAP-problems-t1972556.html > > Quote: "I have found the reason for the problem: Samba 3.0.23 and > 3.0.23a do not parse the "passdb backend" entry in the smb.conf > correctly anymore (tested on Debian Sarge and FreeBSD 6.1). > > According to the smb.conf man page, it is allowed to put the ldap > URIs in double qoutes: > > passdb backend = ldapsam:"ldap://ldap-1.example.com \ > ldap://ldap-2.example.com" > > This does not work for 3.0.23(a) anymore, it works as soon as you > remove the double quotes. I guess it has to do with the fact that > the use of multiple passdb backends is not supported with 3.0.23." > > So I took the double quotes out of SMB.conf and it works! > > Something maybe to put in a patch. -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ From lists at paulandmichelle.net Fri Aug 4 14:21:00 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:21:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: *-PDC config? (Paul Lemke) In-Reply-To: <20060802181218.GD25628@majen.net> Message-ID: <20060804142100.4F5114905C3@ephesus.modevia.com> http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/BugsAndNotes#preview -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Matt Oquist Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 1:12 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Re: *-PDC config? (Paul Lemke) > From: "Paul Lemke" > Subject: [K12OSN] *-PDC config? > > Hello all, > I used the smb-ldap installer a while ago. I setup the server with most of > the default settings in the script. One of them was I'm assuming setting up > the PDC's computer name. "DOMAINCOM-PDC" is what it set it as. A few days > ago I had to change the server name. So I thought the only place where this > DOMAINCOM-PDC was located was the samba config file. So I changed the samba > config and everything worked great.... > > The I tried to login to a pc via a domain account. Windows 2k tried to > locate the roaming profile... but it was looking for it at: > \\DOMAINCOM-PDC\profiles\. Can someone help me locate this setting so I can > change it? Thanks!! > Paul > 'slapcat | grep PDC' will show you where the problem really is. Doing this should fix you up: $ /etc/init.d/smb stop (or whatever your service name is, maybe "samba") $ /etc/init.d/ldap stop (or whatever your service name is, maybe "slapd") $ slapcat > ldap.ldif $ cp ldap.ldif ldap.ldif.bak $ sed -i 's/OLDNAME/NEWNAME/g' ldap.ldif $ cd /var/lib/ldap $ rm -rf * $ slapadd < ldap.ldif $ /etc/init.d/ldap start (or whatever your service name is, maybe "slapd") $ /etc/init.d/smb start (or whatever your service name is, maybe "samba") You want to more-or-less follow the instructions on the DisasterRecovery page of the documentation site: http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/DisasterRecovery ...with the exception that you want to replace OLDNAME with NEWNAME in your LDIF file before you repopulate your DB. Would you mind jotting down notes on this process on the documentation wiki, so other folks can figure out how to do this, too? Thanks, Matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Aug 4 16:11:08 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 09:11:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OSX question In-Reply-To: <6721E283-1B19-4FC4-85FD-414EA2653276@inlandlakes.org> References: <6721E283-1B19-4FC4-85FD-414EA2653276@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <44D3719C.9040604@mesd.k12.or.us> Shawn Powers wrote: > I know this is a little off topic, so replies off list are welcome... > > I want to use my OSX Server to store the user information on my > network. I want to do this so that I have finer control over the OSX > clients in my network. I know how to point the K12LTSP server to > authenticate from the OSX server -- but my problem is that my file > server is a Linux machine. I have a VERY nice file server, and want to > have the OSX server use it for home directories, but I'm not sure how to > set that up... > > Is it possible to have my /home directory (and home directories in OSX) > live on a linux box, and have the LDAP server be my OSX server? We're doing home directories for a few OS X machines from a Linux box, though the LDAP is on a Linux box too. ;-) On file server "student-files", using Netatalk -------------------------------- Add uams_guest.so to AFPD_UAMLIST in /etc/atalk/netatalk.conf Add share definition to /etc/atalk/AppleVolumes.default: /home Users cnidscheme:dbd For each user (dyoung is example) --------------------------------- Set attribute apple-user-homeurl with value: afp://student-files/Usersdyoung Set attribute apple-user-homeDirectory with value: /Network/Servers/student-files/Users/dyoung -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Aug 4 16:16:49 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 09:16:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OSX question In-Reply-To: <44D3719C.9040604@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <6721E283-1B19-4FC4-85FD-414EA2653276@inlandlakes.org> <44D3719C.9040604@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44D372F1.4010302@mesd.k12.or.us> Dan Young wrote: > Shawn Powers wrote: >> I know this is a little off topic, so replies off list are welcome... >> >> I want to use my OSX Server to store the user information on my >> network. I want to do this so that I have finer control over the OSX >> clients in my network. I know how to point the K12LTSP server to >> authenticate from the OSX server -- but my problem is that my file >> server is a Linux machine. I have a VERY nice file server, and want to >> have the OSX server use it for home directories, but I'm not sure how to >> set that up... >> >> Is it possible to have my /home directory (and home directories in OSX) >> live on a linux box, and have the LDAP server be my OSX server? > > We're doing home directories for a few OS X machines from a Linux box, > though the LDAP is on a Linux box too. ;-) > > On file server "student-files", using Netatalk > -------------------------------- > Add uams_guest.so to AFPD_UAMLIST in /etc/atalk/netatalk.conf > > Add share definition to /etc/atalk/AppleVolumes.default: > /home Users cnidscheme:dbd I should have noted that the cnidscheme is optional, but seems to get b0rked much less regularly that the default cdb. They use the same on-disk database, so you can switch between them at will. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From aust_txv at access-k12.org Fri Aug 4 17:41:48 2006 From: aust_txv at access-k12.org (aust_txv at access-k12.org) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:41:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NuBus Power Macintoshes as thin clients In-Reply-To: <60658.70.33.151.214.1154693281.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <3647673500.1154698908@[10.2.58.51]> >> used macintosh 5260 all in one "white anchors" LOL. I have 2 5260's and a wood plank across them as a shelf. Is there a market for old computer hardware turned into furniture ? I just hate to land fill them. Also thank you for the link. Tom V. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Aug 4 18:17:12 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:17:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying fix?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44D38F28.9060605@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Burke Almquist wrote: > The transparent proxy script should only redirect traffic on the > internal interface to the squid/squidguard/dg port. I've noticed that > it doesn't do this, it redirects traffic from both interfaces. Is this > intentional or accidental? Am I missing something? > The transparent proxy script has not been changed in years, I honestly can't remember all of the design considerations ;-) The intent is that a transparent proxy server should *ONLY* be a transparent proxy server, it should not be a general-purpose server. I'll take another look at it. The suggestion of limiting it to the internal interface only may very well be a better way to go. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Aug 4 18:21:18 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:21:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #5 Message-ID: <44D3901E.6070805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> K12LTSP 5.0.0 release candidate #5 has been uploaded. This build includes an updated kernel for the terminals. Please give this build a very thorough test and report any and all issues that you see. If no show-stopping bugs are reported, we'll release this as the official 5.0.0 on Monday. The repositories have been updated, if you have an earlier beta installed you can simply run "yum update". Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . -Eric From rgm at htt-consult.com Fri Aug 4 20:03:24 2006 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 16:03:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP configure errors In-Reply-To: <1154538604.5089.65.camel@localhost> References: <20060802140604.BF69D49054A@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <44D3A80C.4030502@htt-consult.com> Hello, I am running on Centos 4.3. I ran the lastest smb-ldap.pl script on my Centos system and had some errors. First to cover what I did. After my basic setup, I installed yumex, perl-LDAP and perl-Net-LDAP via yum. I added the dag and karanbir repos and got yumex ready. I started the script, specifing FC5. After it installed the rpms it carried along with it, and before I went on to the configuration part, I switched over to yumex and updated those rpms. The latest Centos versions were available from the extra repos. Then I continued with the config. Every things SEEMed to go ok. I rebooted, checked that all services were running and there were no updates to install via yumex. Did a scatldap and nothing. So here is my smbldap-configure.log (fairly long, sorry, but did not want to cut anything). You get far enough down, and you will see the errors. ================================= ########################################################### Starting Samba/LDAP Config: Wed Aug 2 13:01:26 2006 This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU General Public License for more details. Furthermore, you should definitely not run this script on an existing LDAP production server unless you've tested everything and you are confident that you know what you are doing. Consider yourself warned! Executable for slapcat found: /usr/sbin/slapcat Executable for slapd found: /usr/sbin/slapd Executable for smbd found: /usr/sbin/smbd Executable for smbldap-populate found: /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-populate smbusers: using /etc/samba/smbusers openldap_ldap.conf: using /etc/openldap/ldap.conf slapd.conf: using /etc/openldap/slapd.conf fedora_slapd.pid: using /var/run/slapd.pid (guessed) etc_ldap.conf: using /etc/ldap.conf cosine.schema: using /etc/openldap/schema/cosine.schema ubuntu_libnss_ldap.conf: using /etc/libnss-ldap.conf (guessed) samba.schema: using /etc/openldap/schema/samba.schema (guessed) smbldap_bind.conf: using /etc/opt/IDEALX/smbldap-tools/smbldap_bind.conf core.schema: using /etc/openldap/schema/core.schema smb.conf: using /etc/samba/smb.conf ubuntu_pam_ldap.conf: using /etc/pam_ldap.conf (guessed) DB_CONFIG: using /var/lib/ldap/DB_CONFIG (guessed) inetorgperson.schema: using /etc/openldap/schema/inetorgperson.schema nis.schema: using /etc/openldap/schema/nis.schema smbldap.conf: using /etc/opt/IDEALX/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf Unable to read answers input file (/root/smbldap-installer/smbldap-configure.answers). I found the smbldap-tools in /opt/IDEALX/sbin/ First, we must establish what the rootdn of your LDAP directory will be. It is considered the best practice to use your normal DNS domain name here, but this is not required. In any case, you must enter a domain name with two parts separated by a period. For example, "two.parts" would work. Please enter your domain name: [example.net] Using domain=htt-consult.com Using dc_domain=dc=htt-consult,dc=com Next, we must know what your Windows Domain (workgroup) is named. This can be anything you like, but once you've picked one for the PDC you must use the same one for every BDC. Please enter your windows domain (workgroup) name: [HTTCONSULTCOM] Using Windows domain=HTT I'm so excited, I simply *must* know the Windows Netbios name of the PDC you are configuring. You *will* tell me, won't you? It would be positively *scandalous* (or, dare I say, "dysfunctional") if this name were not a unique name on your network... Please enter your windows netbios name: [HTT-PDC] Using Windows netbios name=HOMEBASE Next, you must enter your root and LDAP password. By default, this password will be used for binding to the rootdn to perform LDAP updates, and it will also be set as root's password in LDAP and Samba. You must consistently use the same password starting with the first PDC you create. (You can change the root user's password later using 'smbldap-passwd root' if you wish.) Please enter your LDAP password (CAUTION! This may appear on the screen!): stty -echo stty echo Please verify your LDAP password: stty -echo stty echo So many options there are! When your users log into Windows, their home directory will automatically be mapped for them. You can choose which drive letter their home directory will mapped to. Please enter the home directory drive mapping letter for Windows: [X] Using Windows user space drive letter=H We each have things we want to keep secret, and the contents of your Samba server should be one of yours. You can probably accept the default here unless one of the interfaces on this server is connected directly to the Internet. I do not recommend that you let an Internet-facing interface serve Samba. Your system has the following network interfaces. eth0: 65.78.84.202 Please enter a comma-separated list of the interfaces connected to your Windows/SAMBA network: [eth0] Using net_interfaces=eth0 You have chosen...wisely. NFS is so much fun, we could share files to everyone! NFS can be used to share files from this server to other Linux systems. If you have Linux clients (or an LTSP server separate from this system) on your network, you'll want NFS. If you want me to help you export your entire /home directory via NFS, then answer 'y' below. If you know how to handle /etc/exports all by yourself, then feel free to say 'n' and I'll leave you alone. I REALLY do not recommend that you let an Internet-facing interface serve NFS. Will other Linux machines need to access home directories stored on this server? [y/N] Please enter the network you wish to allow NFS access to /home on this system. Here is a guess based on your current network configuration: 65.78.84.202/255.255.255.248 Please enter the network you wish to allow NFS access to /home on this system. Here is a guess based on your current network configuration: 65.78.84.202/255.255.255.248 Using nfs_net=65.78.84.192/255.255.255.192 I'm done asking questions for now. If you want to go back and change an answer, type CTRL-C and re-run this script. Otherwise, hit Enter to continue.Running /etc/init.d/ldap stop /etc/init.d/ldap stop Stopping slapd: [FAILED] Running /etc/init.d/smb stop /etc/init.d/smb stop Shutting down SMB services: [FAILED] Shutting down NMB services: [FAILED] Running /etc/init.d/nscd stop /etc/init.d/nscd stop Stopping nscd: [FAILED] Using chkconfig to set nscd to "off" during boot... chkconfig nscd off Success! Backing up "/etc/samba/smbusers" at "/etc/samba/smbusers-Wed_Aug__2_13_01_26_2006.bak" cp "/etc/samba/smbusers" "/etc/samba/smbusers-Wed_Aug__2_13_01_26_2006.bak" Backing up "/etc/openldap/ldap.conf" at "/etc/openldap/ldap.conf-Wed_Aug__2_13_01_26_2006.bak" cp "/etc/openldap/ldap.conf" "/etc/openldap/ldap.conf-Wed_Aug__2_13_01_26_2006.bak" Backing up "/etc/openldap/slapd.conf" at "/etc/openldap/slapd.conf-Wed_Aug__2_13_01_26_2006.bak" cp "/etc/openldap/slapd.conf" "/etc/openldap/slapd.conf-Wed_Aug__2_13_01_26_2006.bak" Backing up "/etc/ldap.conf" at "/etc/ldap.conf-Wed_Aug__2_13_01_26_2006.bak" cp "/etc/ldap.conf" "/etc/ldap.conf-Wed_Aug__2_13_01_26_2006.bak" Backing up "/etc/samba/smb.conf" at "/etc/samba/smb.conf-Wed_Aug__2_13_01_26_2006.bak" cp "/etc/samba/smb.conf" "/etc/samba/smb.conf-Wed_Aug__2_13_01_26_2006.bak" Running /etc/init.d/ldap restart /etc/init.d/ldap restart Stopping slapd: [FAILED] Checking configuration files for slapd: config file testing succeeded [ OK ] Starting slapd: [ OK ] Using chkconfig to set ldap to "on" during boot... chkconfig ldap on Success! Setting the manager smbpasswd... smbpasswd -w xxxxxxxx <- I editted this line. Hope I got all passwords exposed in the log. Setting stored password for "cn=Manager,dc=htt-consult,dc=com" in secrets.tdb Grabbing local SID...success! Backing up "/etc/samba/smbusers" at "/etc/samba/smbusers-Wed_Aug__2_13_01_26_2006.bak" cp "/etc/samba/smbusers" "/etc/samba/smbusers-Wed_Aug__2_13_01_26_2006.bak" Backing up "/etc/openldap/ldap.conf" at "/etc/openldap/ldap.conf-Wed_Aug__2_13_01_26_2006.bak" cp "/etc/openldap/ldap.conf" "/etc/openldap/ldap.conf-Wed_Aug__2_13_01_26_2006.bak" Backing up "/etc/openldap/slapd.conf" at "/etc/openldap/slapd.conf-Wed_Aug__2_13_01_26_2006.bak" cp "/etc/openldap/slapd.conf" "/etc/openldap/slapd.conf-Wed_Aug__2_13_01_26_2006.bak" Backing up "/etc/ldap.conf" at "/etc/ldap.conf-Wed_Aug__2_13_01_26_2006.bak" cp "/etc/ldap.conf" "/etc/ldap.conf-Wed_Aug__2_13_01_26_2006.bak" Backing up "/etc/openldap/schema/samba.schema" at "/etc/openldap/schema/samba.schema-Wed_Aug__2_13_01_26_2006.bak" cp "/etc/openldap/schema/samba.schema" "/etc/openldap/schema/samba.schema-Wed_Aug__2_13_01_26_2006.bak" Backing up "/etc/samba/smb.conf" at "/etc/samba/smb.conf-Wed_Aug__2_13_01_26_2006.bak" cp "/etc/samba/smb.conf" "/etc/samba/smb.conf-Wed_Aug__2_13_01_26_2006.bak" Backing up "/var/lib/ldap/DB_CONFIG" at "/var/lib/ldap/DB_CONFIG-Wed_Aug__2_13_01_26_2006.bak" cp "/var/lib/ldap/DB_CONFIG" "/var/lib/ldap/DB_CONFIG-Wed_Aug__2_13_01_26_2006.bak" Running smbldap-populate... printf "l2d0a0p6\nl2d0a0p6" | smbldap-populate -a root -u 10000 -g 10000 failed to add entry: Can't contact LDAP server at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate line 471, line 2. failed to add entry: Can't contact LDAP server at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate line 471, line 3. failed to add entry: Can't contact LDAP server at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate line 471, line 4. failed to add entry: Can't contact LDAP server at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate line 471, line 5. failed to add entry: Can't contact LDAP server at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate line 471, line 6. failed to add entry: Can't contact LDAP server at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate line 471, line 7. failed to add entry: Can't contact LDAP server at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate line 471, line 8. failed to add entry: Can't contact LDAP server at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate line 471, line 9. failed to add entry: Can't contact LDAP server at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate line 471, line 10. failed to add entry: Can't contact LDAP server at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate line 471, line 11. failed to add entry: Can't contact LDAP server at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate line 471, line 12. failed to add entry: Bad file descriptor at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate line 471, line 16. failed to add entry: Bad file descriptor at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate line 471, line 18. failed to add entry: Bad file descriptor at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate line 471, line 19. failed to add entry: Bad file descriptor at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate line 471, line 20. failed to add entry: Can't contact LDAP server at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate line 471, line 21. failed to add entry: Can't contact LDAP server at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate line 471, line 21. Populating LDAP directory for domain IDEALX-NT (S-1-5-21-4205727931-4131263253-1851132061) (using builtin directory structure) adding new entry: dc=idealx,dc=org adding new entry: ou=Users,dc=idealx,dc=org adding new entry: ou=Groups,dc=idealx,dc=org adding new entry: ou=Computers,dc=idealx,dc=org adding new entry: ou=Idmap,dc=idealx,dc=org adding new entry: uid=root,ou=Users,dc=idealx,dc=org adding new entry: uid=nobody,ou=Users,dc=idealx,dc=org adding new entry: cn=Domain Admins,ou=Groups,dc=idealx,dc=org adding new entry: cn=Domain Users,ou=Groups,dc=idealx,dc=org adding new entry: cn=Domain Guests,ou=Groups,dc=idealx,dc=org adding new entry: cn=Domain Computers,ou=Groups,dc=idealx,dc=org adding new entry: cn=Administrators,ou=Groups,dc=idealx,dc=org adding new entry: cn=Account Operators,ou=Groups,dc=idealx,dc=org adding new entry: cn=Print Operators,ou=Groups,dc=idealx,dc=org adding new entry: cn=Backup Operators,ou=Groups,dc=idealx,dc=org adding new entry: cn=Replicators,ou=Groups,dc=idealx,dc=org adding new entry: sambaDomainName=IDEALX-NT,dc=idealx,dc=org Please provide a password for the domain root: Can't contact LDAP server at /usr/sbin//smbldap_tools.pm line 341, line 283. success. Setting root's smbpasswd... printf "xxxxxxxx\nxxxxxxxx" | smbpasswd -s root smbldap_search_suffix: Problem during the LDAP search: (No such object) smbldap_search_suffix: Problem during the LDAP search: (No such object) Failed to find entry for user root. Failed to modify password entry for user root Running /etc/init.d/smb restart /etc/init.d/smb restart Shutting down SMB services: [FAILED] Shutting down NMB services: [FAILED] Starting SMB services: [ OK ] Starting NMB services: [ OK ] Using chkconfig to set smb to "on" during boot... chkconfig smb on Success! Creating the /opt/samba/profiles directory... mkdir -p /opt/samba/profiles Setting permissions for /opt/samba/profiles... chmod 1777 /opt/samba/profiles Creating the /opt/samba/netlogon directory... mkdir -p /opt/samba/netlogon Creating sample startup.bat file... Running authconfig... authconfig --kickstart --useshadow --usemd5 --enableldap --enableldapauth --ldapserver="127.0.0.1" --ldapbasedn="dc=htt-consult,dc=com" --enablecache setsebool: SELinux is disabled. Stopping nscd: [FAILED] Starting nscd: [ OK ] success. Setting up NFS share of /home by adding the following line to /etc/exports: /home 65.78.84.192/255.255.255.192(rw,sync) Edit this file later to change the export parameters. Running /etc/init.d/nfs restart /etc/init.d/nfs restart Shutting down NFS mountd: [FAILED] Shutting down NFS daemon: [FAILED] Shutting down NFS quotas: [FAILED] Shutting down NFS services: [ OK ] Starting NFS services: [ OK ] Starting NFS quotas: [ OK ] Starting NFS daemon: [ OK ] Starting NFS mountd: [ OK ] This script has appended its output to /root/smbldap-installer/smbldap-configure.log. Congratulations! It looks like we've succeeded. You'll need to cycle any clients you configure to init 1 and back before you can authenticate to this server. (Note that if this system authenticates to its own LDAP server, it must be cycled. A reboot will accomplish this cycle, if you don't know how to do it otherwise.) Please note your LDAP base: dc=htt-consult,dc=com Bye-bye. ============================== So it looks like there were some sort of password passing problems, at least? From robert.pogson at gmail.com Fri Aug 4 20:38:47 2006 From: robert.pogson at gmail.com (pogson) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:38:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Running in to an Edubuntu Wall In-Reply-To: <20060804160021.6A1D273463@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060804160021.6A1D273463@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1154723927.14562.288.camel@beast> "R. Scott Belford" wrote: 1. ebnet and UBF floppies do not boot clients. They produce the error "loading 192.168.0.254:/pxelinux.0.......error, not a valid image" The same clients boot great with a PXE enabled NIC. 2. eth0 has to be configured, and dhcp likely has to be edited 3. Clients that work great with K12LTSP will not work as well with Edubuntu. I had to use VESA emulation for some of my workhorses. 4. This is hardly the place just to cry about problems. At the end I have a proposed 'fix.' ---- EdUbuntu does things a little differently than LTSP. LTSP normally boots by etherboot, which is similar in function but not identical to PXE in detail. The etherboot loader normally expects a different file structure than a PXE bootloader. Ubuntu will have a means of producing the appropriate boot floppy for Ubuntu expects a PXE bootloader to run. 1. >From http://www.ltsp.org/README.pxe Normally, for Etherboot kernels, the kernel is placed in /tftpboot/lts. But, for PXE kernels, we create a subdirectory in that location that has a name that matches the version of the kernel. For example, in this release of the kernel, we create '/tftpboot/lts/2.4.22-ltsp-1'. Within that directory, we place the kernel, the initrd image, the pxelinux.0 bootloader and a configuration subdirectory. 2.If your primary (ISP connection) is on 192.168.0.x, Ubuntu requires editing. If you control your environment, make sure the LAN with thin clients is allowed to be 192.168.0.x and Ubuntu scripts do everything. No editing required. See an article I wrote for Free Software Magazine about EdUbuntu 5.10: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/files/nodes/1263/1263.pdf This is a bit clumsy and lacking foresight, but the vast majority of EdUbuntu installations will either be in small schools or subnets behind a firewall/router so its not that limiting. I did the installation both ways. You want to do it the automatic way, believe me. Since the script is open source, this would be a neat project for one of my students, to tune it up for more general cases. "Here are our defaults. Change them to suit your wishes and click 'OK'". I can see it now. 3. Does LTSP still use XFree86? Dapper uses X.org, perhaps a difference in drivers. I had no difficulty with several clients I tried with 5.10. 4. That's what open source is all about. EdUbuntu is the slickest installation of an X server and client configuration I have ever tried next to K12LTSP. Well, ClusterKNOPPIX was pretty cool, too (OpenMosix terminal server - uses PXE, DHCP and tftp to boot linux clients via the network.). I plan to install EdUbuntu next week in a production environment and I hope it goes smoothly as I have little time and much to do. Of course, life is always more interesting with a few challenges. Ubuntu had some difficulty meeting its target date. I hope some of the glitches will have been hunted down by next week or I will have to do some hunting myself. I would use K12LTSP except I have grown fond of apt and Ubuntu has some particular packages I need. K12LTSP/Fedora likely has them, too, but I know the Ubuntu repository and I have my own copy. -- A problem is an opportunity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 20:47:11 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 13:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ssh keys for new server In-Reply-To: <1154648780.3523.25.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20060804204711.99355.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> And the ssh system keys (the ones remote users will use to verify the identity of the server they're connecting to) are in /etc/ssh. They can be copied to the new server, but I wouldn't do it unless you're decomissioning the old server. I wouldn't want to have 2 servers with the same keys. -Rob --- Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 09:25 +1200, Krsnendu Dasa > wrote: > > Hi all. It's me again. Please excuse my frequent > posts these days. I > > am about to transistion to the newest version of > K12LTSP and I don't > > want to stuff things up. I hope you don't mind. > > > > When I install K12LTSP 5.0 on my new server, is > there a way to keep > > the same ssh keys that I am currently using for nx > and winscp? There > > are a few teachers using these programs and it > would be a bit annoying > > to have to install new keys for each of them to > access the new server. > > Any tips? > > User's own private keys are stored in the .ssh > directory, so if you > copy the home directories or have them mounted from > a machine that > doesn't change you'll already have them. Nx uses > the nx user for > the initial connection, so the same applies to ~nx > which will be > /var/lib/nxserver/home/.ssh. > > -- > Les Mikesell > lesmikesell at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Fri Aug 4 20:55:52 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:55:52 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Copying /home from K12ltsp 4.2 to 5.0 Message-ID: If I copy /home to a new server with K12LTSP5.0 installed, will everything work or will the .configure files in the home directories cause incompatability? -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 4 20:56:14 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:56:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: <20060725022206.M96305@winonacotter.org> References: <1153758872.21725.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <44C4F84F.2040005@paasda.org> <1153770466.8601.38.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <20060725022206.M96305@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <44D3B46E.2050800@paasda.org> Hrm...maybe I spoke too soon... This was fast to setup...but now I'm not getting any dhcp leases... I checked the /etc/init.d/dhcpd and changed the DHCPDARGS = eth0 to bond0 but that didn't seem to help either.. any thoughts? on another note as well...is it just as easy to setup the 2nd GIG-E card to hand out DHCP by merely adding it to DHCPDARGS="eth0","eth1" this way I can segment library traffic from the rest of the school simply by putting eth0 one Switch A and eth1 on Switch B..? and then my "eth2" is a 10/100 card that plugs into the 'internet' side of the LAN... --Huck Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> 2. Switch independent method: use adaptive load balancing with the >> bonding module. This requires that the kernel drivers for the NICs >> support changing the MAC address on the fly for each NIC. (NOTE** >> The cheap Hawking cards don't work with this as the r8169 driver >> must be unloaded to change the MAC address). >> >> What all of the bonding method does is allow multiple Gb NICs to appear >> as a single IP address so you have higher bandwidth for the clients. > > Here is a howto for NIC bonding in Linux: > > http://www.linux-corner.info/bonding.html > > For load balancing instead of failover simply change the "options" line in > /etc/modprobe.conf to: > > options bond0 mode=balance-alb > > This only takes minutes to setup and as far as I know has virtually no limit > as to what and what type of NIC's you bond. Of course, I am sure there is a > practical limit. > > I don't have any specific data but I have been using teamed adaptors for 3 > years now on dumb dell switches. > From jam at mcquil.com Fri Aug 4 22:21:48 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Running in to an Edubuntu Wall In-Reply-To: <1154723927.14562.288.camel@beast> References: <20060804160021.6A1D273463@hormel.redhat.com> <1154723927.14562.288.camel@beast> Message-ID: <34365.68.250.145.129.1154730108.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Fri, August 4, 2006 4:38 pm, pogson wrote: > "R. Scott Belford" wrote: > > 1. ebnet and UBF floppies do not boot clients. They produce the error > "loading 192.168.0.254:/pxelinux.0.......error, not a valid image" > The same clients boot great with a PXE enabled NIC. Etherboot is expecting a 'NBI Tagged kernel'. pxelinux.0 isn't that. I think that newer versions of Etherboot are capable of loading a PXE boot loader, but i've not tried it myself. > 2. eth0 has to be configured, and dhcp likely has to be edited > 3. Clients that work great with K12LTSP will not work as well with > Edubuntu. I had to use VESA emulation for some of my workhorses. Which version of K12LTSP ? > 4. This is hardly the place just to cry about problems. At the end I > have a proposed 'fix.' > ---- > > EdUbuntu does things a little differently than LTSP. LTSP normally boots > by etherboot, which is similar in function but not identical to PXE in LTSP boots very will both PXE and Etherboot. We don't really cater to either one. We like them both. > detail. The etherboot loader normally expects a different file structure > than a PXE bootloader. Ubuntu will have a means of producing the > appropriate boot floppy for Ubuntu expects a PXE bootloader to run. > > 1. >>From http://www.ltsp.org/README.pxe > > Normally, for Etherboot kernels, the kernel is placed > in /tftpboot/lts. > But, for PXE kernels, we create a subdirectory in that location > that > has a name that matches the version of the kernel. For example, > in this release of the kernel, we create > '/tftpboot/lts/2.4.22-ltsp-1'. > > Within that directory, we place the kernel, the initrd image, > the > pxelinux.0 bootloader and a configuration subdirectory. > > 2.If your primary (ISP connection) is on 192.168.0.x, Ubuntu requires > editing. If you control your environment, make sure the LAN with thin > clients is allowed to be 192.168.0.x and Ubuntu scripts do everything. > No editing required. See an article I wrote for Free Software Magazine > about EdUbuntu 5.10: > http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/files/nodes/1263/1263.pdf > This is a bit clumsy and lacking foresight, but the vast majority of > EdUbuntu installations will either be in small schools or subnets behind > a firewall/router so its not that limiting. I did the installation both > ways. You want to do it the automatic way, believe me. Since the script > is open source, this would be a neat project for one of my students, to > tune it up for more general cases. "Here are our defaults. Change them > to suit your wishes and click 'OK'". I can see it now. > > 3. Does LTSP still use XFree86? Dapper uses X.org, perhaps a difference > in drivers. I had no difficulty with several clients I tried with 5.10. For a long time, LTSP included both XFree86 AND Xorg. As of LTSP-4.2, only Xorg is included. > > 4. That's what open source is all about. > > EdUbuntu is the slickest installation of an X server and client > configuration I have ever tried next to K12LTSP. Well, ClusterKNOPPIX > was pretty cool, too (OpenMosix terminal server - uses PXE, DHCP and > tftp to boot linux clients via the network.). I plan to install EdUbuntu > next week in a production environment and I hope it goes smoothly as I > have little time and much to do. Of course, life is always more > interesting with a few challenges. Ubuntu had some difficulty meeting > its target date. I hope some of the glitches will have been hunted down > by next week or I will have to do some hunting myself. I would use > K12LTSP except I have grown fond of apt and Ubuntu has some particular > packages I need. K12LTSP/Fedora likely has them, too, but I know the > Ubuntu repository and I have my own copy. > -- > A problem is an opportunity. the LTSP that is included in Dapper is fairly good, but not quite feature-complete when compared to LTSP-4.2. The LTSP that will ship with Edgy will be MUCH better. Also, we're now in the process of switching LTSP.org's implementation to be based on the work that Matt and Oliver did to get LTSP into Ubuntu. Soon, they will be nearly identical, which will allow us to focus on the parts of LTSP that really make it special. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Aug 4 22:34:44 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:34:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: <44D3B46E.2050800@paasda.org> References: <1153758872.21725.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <44C4F84F.2040005@paasda.org> <1153770466.8601.38.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <20060725022206.M96305@winonacotter.org> <44D3B46E.2050800@paasda.org> Message-ID: <44D3CB84.4020503@paasda.org> Found the line that was missing...but it wasn't documented in the >> http://www.linux-corner.info/bonding.html HOWTO... DEVICE=bond0 IPADDR=192.168.0.254 NETWORK=192.168.0.0 <----THAT line was missing... NETMASK=255.255.255.0 USERCTL=no BOOTPROTO=none ONBOOT=yes But now I have this in my 'ps aux' output...not sure of it's significance..cuz clients boot all jazzy and stuff ;) root 15933 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z 15:20 0:00 [ip] and changing the DHCPDARGS in /etc/init.d/dhcpd to "bond0" was required. --Huck Huck wrote: > Hrm...maybe I spoke too soon... > This was fast to setup...but now I'm not getting any dhcp leases... > > I checked the /etc/init.d/dhcpd and changed the DHCPDARGS = eth0 to > bond0 but that didn't seem to help either.. > > any thoughts? > > on another note as well...is it just as easy to setup the 2nd GIG-E card > to hand out DHCP by merely adding it to DHCPDARGS="eth0","eth1" > > this way I can segment library traffic from the rest of the school > simply by putting eth0 one Switch A and eth1 on Switch B..? > > and then my "eth2" is a 10/100 card that plugs into the 'internet' side > of the LAN... > > --Huck > > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>> 2. Switch independent method: use adaptive load balancing with the >>> bonding module. This requires that the kernel drivers for the NICs >>> support changing the MAC address on the fly for each NIC. (NOTE** The >>> cheap Hawking cards don't work with this as the r8169 driver must be >>> unloaded to change the MAC address). >>> >>> What all of the bonding method does is allow multiple Gb NICs to appear >>> as a single IP address so you have higher bandwidth for the clients. >> >> Here is a howto for NIC bonding in Linux: >> >> http://www.linux-corner.info/bonding.html >> >> For load balancing instead of failover simply change the "options" >> line in >> /etc/modprobe.conf to: >> >> options bond0 mode=balance-alb >> >> This only takes minutes to setup and as far as I know has virtually no >> limit >> as to what and what type of NIC's you bond. Of course, I am sure >> there is a >> practical limit. >> >> I don't have any specific data but I have been using teamed adaptors >> for 3 >> years now on dumb dell switches. >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From cliebow at midmaine.com Fri Aug 4 22:58:01 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NuBus Power Macintoshes as thin clients In-Reply-To: <3647673500.1154698908@[10.2.58.51]> References: <60658.70.33.151.214.1154693281.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <3647673500.1154698908@[10.2.58.51]> Message-ID: <50755.70.33.151.214.1154732281.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Holler if you need help..chuck From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Fri Aug 4 23:11:38 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 19:11:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NuBus Power Macintoshes as thin clients In-Reply-To: <60658.70.33.151.214.1154693281.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <206617.3363593285@[10.2.44.143]> <60658.70.33.151.214.1154693281.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <20060804191138.62331e79@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:08:01 -0400 (EDT) cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > i used macintosh 5260 all in one "white anchors" as "chubby clients" Assuming you are talking about http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac/stats/powermac_5260_100.html Man, I had one of those about 3 year back. I ended up setting it up with MAC OS 7.x.x (I think, maybe 8.x.x -- I forget now) and gave it away to someone who could not afford a computer. She then had it washed away in a flood. I really liked that think (the physical appeal) of it. Looked really fancy sitting on the desk next to my IBM Aptiva. It even had TV in, so you could use it in place of your TV. I wish I would have known it could have been a terminal. Tom V. You wouldn't happen to be in the Western PA area? :-) O'well... "thems the breaks" -- http://gentgeen.homelinux.org ############################################################# Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From cliebow at midmaine.com Sat Aug 5 00:05:37 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 20:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NuBus Power Macintoshes as thin clients In-Reply-To: <20060804191138.62331e79@localhost.localdomain> References: <206617.3363593285@[10.2.44.143]> <60658.70.33.151.214.1154693281.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <20060804191138.62331e79@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <37851.70.33.151.214.1154736337.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> problem was that the sonic card could not be used..apparently the bus was reaaly slow compared to nubus and nbo one wanted to waste time with it..but the dayna cards..and some others were recognized by that kernel which was somethinglike 2.4.20-pre11 with nubus patch..i altered it to use alternate dhcp 1001/2 long before there was an option 128/129 option.. they made perfectly good terminals..except for tor the mouse flakies if you logged out witout mercy-killing the x with ctrl-alt-bksp anyway if someone would like to go retro i think i can remember enough to make it work...should have a couple massive 600 meg drives here all set up..chuck From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sat Aug 5 03:13:24 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 15:13:24 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap error message domain name related Message-ID: I copied my smbladp database over using slapadd. It gave me this message. bdb_db_open:Warning - No DB_CONFIG file found in directory /var/lib/ldap: (2) Expect poor performance for suffix dc=harekrishna, dc=school,dc=nz This domain name is the one I used on my previous server although it is made up. That domain name exists on the internet, but does have any thing ot do with this domain name. I was not sure what to put for domain name so I put this. Can you help me with this error message? What do I have to do now? -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sat Aug 5 03:28:53 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 15:28:53 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] more smbldap errors Message-ID: After installing smbldap, I deleted the directory. Then I recreated it as root. (I didn't realize I was only supposed to delete the contents of the directory.) Then I did slapadd -l to copy file from previous server. When I rebooted the server it failed to boot with the following messages. /var/lib/ldap/ objectClass.bdb is not owned by "ldap" And similar messages for all files in ldap directory. It then says "Checking configuration files for slapd: bdb_db_open: alock package is unstable backend_startup_one: bi_db_open failed (-1) slap_startup failed (test wold succeed wusing the -u switch) The boot process freezes at the point where it says starting NFS quotas. Seems like I should have made sure the ldap directory was owned by ldap. What can I do now? The server doesn't boot. -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Aug 5 03:51:13 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:51:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] more smbldap errors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Boot interactively and mak sure that smb , ldap (slapd), and nfs do not start....then once it boots....go in and change the ownership of /var/lib/ldap to ldap:ldap "Support list for open source software in schools." on Fri Aug 4 2006 at 23:28 +0000 wrote: >After installing smbldap, I deleted the directory. Then I recreated it >as root. (I didn't realize I was only supposed to delete the contents >of the directory.) Then I did slapadd -l to copy file from previous >server. >When I rebooted the server it failed to boot with the following messages. > >/var/lib/ldap/ objectClass.bdb is not owned by "ldap" >And similar messages for all files in ldap directory. >It then says >"Checking configuration files for slapd: bdb_db_open: alock package is >unstable backend_startup_one: bi_db_open failed (-1) >slap_startup failed (test wold succeed wusing the -u switch) > >The boot process freezes at the point where it says >starting NFS quotas. > >Seems like I should have made sure the ldap directory was owned by ldap. > >What can I do now? The server doesn't boot. > >-- >Please note my new email address- >krsnendu108 at gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From hick518 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 19:56:04 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 12:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Copying /home from K12ltsp 4.2 to 5.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060805195604.73784.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I believe all the .configure files will work properly. I've kept the same /home directory through the following upgrades with no .configure problems: Mandrake 10.0 to Mandrake 10.1 to Ubuntu 5.04 to Ubuntu 5.10 to Ubuntu 6.06 -Rob --- Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > If I copy /home to a new server with K12LTSP5.0 > installed, will > everything work or will the .configure files in the > home directories > cause incompatability? > > -- > Please note my new email address- > krsnendu108 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sat Aug 5 23:28:25 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 11:28:25 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] nvu? Message-ID: We have a website competition coming up and I thought of using NVU as the wed editor. This is not available using yum install. Should I go ahead and install it anyway, or is there a good program I can install using yum? -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com From ericbrow at gmail.com Sat Aug 5 23:35:16 2006 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 18:35:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] nvu? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've been using quanta plus for a major website development project recently. I rather like how you can switch between preview and code mode. I'd also like to put in a good word for the plain old Text Editor. My students much prefer it over notepad because it knows to color code the text. Eric On 8/5/06, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > We have a website competition coming up and I thought of using NVU as > the wed editor. This is not available using yum install. Should I go > ahead and install it anyway, or is there a good program I can install > using yum? > > -- > Please note my new email address- > krsnendu108 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sun Aug 6 00:04:20 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 12:04:20 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Dhcpd won't restart Message-ID: When I try to restart dhcpd from command line or gui it just hangs. I can stop it but I can't start it again. After reboot it is still stopped. This is a fresh install after installing smldap. Help! -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com From moquist at majen.net Sun Aug 6 01:21:27 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 21:21:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: can confirm smbldap issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060806012127.GB5134@majen.net> Maybe, though the "right" thing to do is just change the paths in smb.conf. Now that I think about it, I believe the smbldap-installer installs the smbldap-tools package from its rpms/ directory, and what's happening now is that smbldap-tools have finally been packaged by Fedora, and the executables are being put in the right place. I should just remove smbldap-tools from the rpms directory that comes with the script and add it to the 'yum' command in distro_data.pl, and that should fix everything. Care to give it a shot, anyone? :) If you've already used the installer and you're in trouble because of this issue, changing /opt/IDEALX/sbin to /usr/sbin in /etc/samba/smb.conf *should* take care of the problem(s). Also, I took some of my frustration out on the Fedora project in an earlier email and I don't think that was fair at all. Fedora is now packaging smbldap-tools (apparently), which is great and to be commended. --matt David Trask wrote: [Sat Aug 05 2006, 12:10:14PM EDT] > I had a fresh version of k12ltsp-5.....I yum upgraded everything.....ran > the gamma script....everything fine. Ran yum-upgrade again after > reboot....this time smbldap-tools gets updated and everything breaks (I > even ran the script again....which actually ran without error...probably > due to things being cached (smbldap 9.1 as opposed to the newly install > 9.2)....actually the ldap side (linux) still works...it's the samba side > that doesn't work....cannot join domain (error message in Windows comes up > very quickly...meaning it doesn't even find anything). I was wondering if > a symlink might fix things and if so...were to put it. Would it be > possible to symlink /opt/IDEALX/sbin to /usr/sbin and thus fix the problem > with finding the exectuables? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sun Aug 6 08:46:55 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 20:46:55 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Dhcpd won't restart In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oops. I just realized that I had edited the dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf file. Left an extra ] at the end. Commented it out and we are in business again. On 06/08/06, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > When I try to restart dhcpd from command line or gui it just hangs. > I can stop it but I can't start it again. > After reboot it is still stopped. > This is a fresh install after installing smldap. > > Help! > -- > Please note my new email address- > krsnendu108 at gmail.com > -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sun Aug 6 08:48:26 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 20:48:26 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] more smbldap errors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: interactive booting didn't work to well for me but I was able to ssh from my old machine and change the ownership and group. Now it seems to work. Thanks. Still baffled about the "expect poor performance form suffix..." message though. On 05/08/06, David Trask wrote: > Boot interactively and mak sure that smb , ldap (slapd), and nfs do not > start....then once it boots....go in and change the ownership of > /var/lib/ldap to ldap:ldap > > > "Support list for open source software in schools." on > Fri Aug 4 2006 at 23:28 +0000 wrote: > >After installing smbldap, I deleted the directory. Then I recreated it > >as root. (I didn't realize I was only supposed to delete the contents > >of the directory.) Then I did slapadd -l to copy file from previous > >server. > >When I rebooted the server it failed to boot with the following messages. > > > >/var/lib/ldap/ objectClass.bdb is not owned by "ldap" > >And similar messages for all files in ldap directory. > >It then says > >"Checking configuration files for slapd: bdb_db_open: alock package is > >unstable backend_startup_one: bi_db_open failed (-1) > >slap_startup failed (test wold succeed wusing the -u switch) > > > >The boot process freezes at the point where it says > >starting NFS quotas. > > > >Seems like I should have made sure the ldap directory was owned by ldap. > > > >What can I do now? The server doesn't boot. > > > >-- > >Please note my new email address- > >krsnendu108 at gmail.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com From ahodson at elp.rr.com Sun Aug 6 14:50:51 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan Hodson) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 08:50:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin clients booting from a different server Message-ID: <1154875852.3412.20.camel@HodsonNet1> Hi folks In a school where there is a powerful K12LTSP server the network gang has configured a few classroom drops with VLans pointing to it (they have small thin-client clusters). Works like a charm. However, a computer applications teacher has a second k12ltsp server for his lab hiding behind a switch, and needs to be able to share his "home" with one of the VLan classroom drops. My suggestion to create a second VLan for this second server has not been well received (?), so I am faced with perhaps having to forcefully route the MAC addresses of the classroom's thin clients to the IP of the second server. I will be changing the eth0 Bcast default IP of the second server to 192.168.1.255, and it will naturally have a distinct IP (10...). My question is, is this type of setup documented somewhere I have overlooked, or better yet, is anybody doing this "boot from another server" configuration successfully? What files need a tweak? As usual, thanks for the help. Alan Hodson El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org/ -=o=- From les at futuresource.com Sun Aug 6 17:09:58 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 12:09:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin clients booting from a different server In-Reply-To: <1154875852.3412.20.camel@HodsonNet1> References: <1154875852.3412.20.camel@HodsonNet1> Message-ID: <1154884198.32291.43.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2006-08-06 at 09:50, Alan Hodson wrote: > In a school where there is a powerful K12LTSP server the network gang > has configured a few classroom drops with VLans pointing to it (they > have small thin-client clusters). Works like a charm. However, a > computer applications teacher has a second k12ltsp server for his lab > hiding behind a switch, and needs to be able to share his "home" with > one of the VLan classroom drops. Can you be more specific about what that means? Does he need to boot clients from the remote lab or just access some files or programs? > My suggestion to create a second VLan > for this second server has not been well received (?), VLANs isolate their members so they are only appropriate if that would be the only connection these clients should have. They also require managed switches and some setup that may not work or be convenient. > so I am faced > with perhaps having to forcefully route the MAC addresses of the > classroom's thin clients to the IP of the second server. I will be > changing the eth0 Bcast default IP of the second server to > 192.168.1.255, and it will naturally have a distinct IP (10...). My > question is, is this type of setup documented somewhere I have > overlooked, or better yet, is anybody doing this "boot from another > server" configuration successfully? What files need a tweak? It doesn't make any sense to try to appear on the wrong interface of the lab server and it isn't necessary. If you do have to boot these clients, just use the approach you would use on a flat or routed network. You need to be sure there is routing between the clients and the 'outside' interface of the lab server. The "boot from another server" setup should be documented somewhere but it just involves configuring the DHCP server to give the clients it's address as the next-server and in the root-path option. You can do this for specific clients from one DHCP server using the host/hardware ethernet entries or if you can boot from floppies you can have another dhcp server running on a different port. Yet another option that might be easier would be to boot the clients from CD's with something like the thinstation iso http://www.thinstation.org/ and tell it what server to use. I don't think the advanced features like local media/printers or sound match up with the way ltsp does them, though. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ahodson at elp.rr.com Sun Aug 6 17:56:43 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan Hodson) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 11:56:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin clients booting from a different server In-Reply-To: <1154884198.32291.43.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1154875852.3412.20.camel@HodsonNet1> <1154884198.32291.43.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1154887003.3412.63.camel@HodsonNet1> a) Yes, the booting thin clients need to boot from the remote lab, although a shared storage area in the remote server might just do the trick. I'll have to ask the teacher. b) The thin clients are diskless - no CD/floppy drives... purchasing them I suppose may be another consideration. c) <<>> Configuring the DHCP of the main VLAN (main server) involves a change in what files? Thanks again Alan -=o=- On Sun, 2006-08-06 at 12:09 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-08-06 at 09:50, Alan Hodson wrote: > > > In a school where there is a powerful K12LTSP server the network gang > > has configured a few classroom drops with VLans pointing to it (they > > have small thin-client clusters). Works like a charm. However, a > > computer applications teacher has a second k12ltsp server for his lab > > hiding behind a switch, and needs to be able to share his "home" with > > one of the VLan classroom drops. > > Can you be more specific about what that means? Does he need to > boot clients from the remote lab or just access some files > or programs? > > > My suggestion to create a second VLan > > for this second server has not been well received (?), > > VLANs isolate their members so they are only appropriate > if that would be the only connection these clients > should have. They also require managed switches and some > setup that may not work or be convenient. > > > so I am faced > > with perhaps having to forcefully route the MAC addresses of the > > classroom's thin clients to the IP of the second server. I will be > > changing the eth0 Bcast default IP of the second server to > > 192.168.1.255, and it will naturally have a distinct IP (10...). My > > question is, is this type of setup documented somewhere I have > > overlooked, or better yet, is anybody doing this "boot from another > > server" configuration successfully? What files need a tweak? > > It doesn't make any sense to try to appear on the wrong interface > of the lab server and it isn't necessary. If you do have to > boot these clients, just use the approach you would use on > a flat or routed network. You need to be sure there is routing > between the clients and the 'outside' interface of the lab > server. The "boot from another server" setup should be > documented somewhere but it just involves configuring the > DHCP server to give the clients it's address as the next-server > and in the root-path option. You can do this for specific > clients from one DHCP server using the host/hardware ethernet > entries or if you can boot from floppies you can have another > dhcp server running on a different port. > > Yet another option that might be easier would be to boot > the clients from CD's with something like the thinstation > iso http://www.thinstation.org/ and tell it what server > to use. I don't think the advanced features like local > media/printers or sound match up with the way ltsp > does them, though. > From les at futuresource.com Sun Aug 6 18:27:15 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 13:27:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin clients booting from a different server In-Reply-To: <1154887003.3412.63.camel@HodsonNet1> References: <1154875852.3412.20.camel@HodsonNet1> <1154884198.32291.43.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1154887003.3412.63.camel@HodsonNet1> Message-ID: <1154888835.32291.84.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2006-08-06 at 12:56, Alan Hodson wrote: > a) Yes, the booting thin clients need to boot from the remote lab, > although a shared storage area in the remote server might just do the > trick. I'll have to ask the teacher. It is relatively straightforward to run a program on a remote machine or to mount shared directories. In the thin client case this only needs to happen on the servers which might make the routing easier for you. > b) The thin clients are diskless - no CD/floppy drives... purchasing > them I suppose may be another consideration. It might be possible to USB-boot the thinstation client. > c) << it's address as the next-server and in the root-path option>>> > Configuring the DHCP of the main VLAN (main server) involves a change in > what files? If it is linux it would be the /etc/dhcpd.conf file and you have to restart the dhcpd service after changes. If the VLAN structure puts the clients on the 'inside' nic of the wrong server you may run into some quirks with NAT or firewalling on it's outside NIC - or firewalling on the other server. If the first server does normal routing instead of NAT and neither has firewalling enabled it should work fine. I'm not sure how the root NFS mount will work through NAT - I think it should, but haven't ever tried it. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From scott at hosef.org Sun Aug 6 22:29:03 2006 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 12:29:03 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Running in to an Edubuntu Wall In-Reply-To: <34365.68.250.145.129.1154730108.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> References: <20060804160021.6A1D273463@hormel.redhat.com> <1154723927.14562.288.camel@beast> <34365.68.250.145.129.1154730108.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: <44D66D2F.9080907@hosef.org> Jim McQuillan wrote: > On Fri, August 4, 2006 4:38 pm, pogson wrote: >> "R. Scott Belford" wrote: >> >> 1. ebnet and UBF floppies do not boot clients. They produce the error >> "loading 192.168.0.254:/pxelinux.0.......error, not a valid image" >> The same clients boot great with a PXE enabled NIC. > > Etherboot is expecting a 'NBI Tagged kernel'. pxelinux.0 isn't that. I > think that newer versions of Etherboot are capable of loading a PXE boot > loader, but i've not tried it myself. I wonder if there is an newer EB boot diskette that integrates the newer version. > >> 2. eth0 has to be configured, and dhcp likely has to be edited >> 3. Clients that work great with K12LTSP will not work as well with >> Edubuntu. I had to use VESA emulation for some of my workhorses. > > Which version of K12LTSP ? This client has booted with all prior versions of the K12LTSP. (that I have tried) --------------8<--------snip----------------------8<--------- > > the LTSP that is included in Dapper is fairly good, but not quite > feature-complete when compared to LTSP-4.2. The LTSP that will ship with > Edgy will be MUCH better. Also, we're now in the process of switching > LTSP.org's implementation to be based on the work that Matt and Oliver did > to get LTSP into Ubuntu. Soon, they will be nearly identical, which will > allow us to focus on the parts of LTSP that really make it special. This is clearly a more impressive undertaking than I understand. Well done, keep up the good work, and let me us know if testing help is needed. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org --scott From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Mon Aug 7 02:10:17 2006 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 22:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #5 In-Reply-To: <44D3901E.6070805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44D3901E.6070805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <3383.192.168.0.21.1154916617.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> > K12LTSP 5.0.0 release candidate #5 has been uploaded. > > This build includes an updated kernel for the terminals. > > > Please give this build a very thorough test and report any and all > issues that you see. If no show-stopping bugs are reported, we'll > release this as the official 5.0.0 on Monday. > > > > The repositories have been updated, if you have an earlier beta > installed you can simply run "yum update". > > > Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . > > Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Hi Eric, If this K12LTSP release includes samba-3.0.23a-1.fc5, be aware that there appear to be a significant number of problems with this release of samba. Using your instructions, I was able to return to 3.0.22. This is the first time in about eight years of using samba that I had to fall back to a prior release. Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 04:19:45 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:19:45 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool Message-ID: It's my first time using teachertool. Man is it cool. I love it. It took me a bit of work to get it going. I followed the instructions on the wiki. I found the file location and name was different. I'm using K12LTSP5.0 In the guide it said the command was /usr/local/sbin/Fl_TeacherTool I found I had to use /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool to make it work. i.e. different location and no caps. I am not sure if it was something I did or if the documentation is a bit out of date. -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 04:22:03 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:22:03 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP5.0 Have to hold down the power button for 3 seconds to turn off clients. Message-ID: In previous versions I just press the power button and the clients turned off straight away. Now I have to hold to power button for about 3 seconds. Is there a way to change it back to the instant off system. -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com From sbarar at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 06:26:00 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:56:00 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP5.0 Have to hold down the power button for 3 seconds to turn off clients. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <774593a20608062325wff24816m13fbcc871121523e@mail.gmail.com> On 07/08/06, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > In previous versions I just press the power button and the clients > turned off straight away. Now I have to hold to power button for about > 3 seconds. Is there a way to change it back to the instant off system. > There is a BIOS setting that turn on/off such behaviour. HTH -- Regards, Sudev Barar From dahopkins at comcast.net Mon Aug 7 14:24:46 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (Dave Hopkins) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:24:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #5 In-Reply-To: <44D3901E.6070805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44D3901E.6070805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44D74D2E.30607@comcast.net> Just tried an install and the process hung during the dependencies check with a 'cannot unmount the CD' error. Complains about a shell being open. Will re-download/rsync and try again. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Eric Harrison wrote: > K12LTSP 5.0.0 release candidate #5 has been uploaded. > > This build includes an updated kernel for the terminals. > > > Please give this build a very thorough test and report any and all > issues that you see. If no show-stopping bugs are reported, we'll > release this as the official 5.0.0 on Monday. > > > > The repositories have been updated, if you have an earlier beta > installed you can simply run "yum update". > > > Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . > > Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dahopkins at comcast.net Mon Aug 7 18:25:10 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:25:10 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #5 Message-ID: <080720061825.27122.44D785860008CDD8000069F222007507849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> well, the bug in anaconda hanging with i2o_block devices still seems to be present. I don't want to 'be a pain', but this is an issue for me. If anyone can tell me how to make anaconda use a different kernel (or even point me to a page that discusses it), I would greatly appreciate it. At present, I cannot load FC5 on my systems since they all use adaptec raid controllers which require the i2o_block device. If it was possible to even use an older version of anaconda (prior to 2.6-15) that would probably work as well. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Dave Hopkins > Just tried an install and the process hung during the dependencies check > with a 'cannot unmount the CD' error. Complains about a shell being open. > > Will re-download/rsync and try again. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > Newark Charter School > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > K12LTSP 5.0.0 release candidate #5 has been uploaded. > > > > This build includes an updated kernel for the terminals. > > > > > > Please give this build a very thorough test and report any and all > > issues that you see. If no show-stopping bugs are reported, we'll > > release this as the official 5.0.0 on Monday. > > > > > > > > The repositories have been updated, if you have an earlier beta > > installed you can simply run "yum update". > > > > > > Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: > > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . > > > > Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: > > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . > > > > > > -Eric > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Aug 7 19:33:01 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:33:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #5 In-Reply-To: <080720061825.27122.44D785860008CDD8000069F222007507849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <080720061825.27122.44D785860008CDD8000069F222007507849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <44D7956D.50400@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > well, the bug in anaconda hanging with i2o_block devices still seems > to be present. I don't want to 'be a pain', but this is an issue for > me. > > If anyone can tell me how to make anaconda use a different kernel (or > even point me to a page that discusses it), I would greatly > appreciate it. At present, I cannot load FC5 on my systems since > they all use adaptec raid controllers which require the i2o_block > device. If it was possible to even use an older version of anaconda > (prior to 2.6-15) that would probably work as well. > > Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School > There was a thread on this a couple of weeks ago. Here was my suggestion: http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2006-July/msg00284.html -Eric From robark at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 19:37:51 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:37:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #5 In-Reply-To: <080720061825.27122.44D785860008CDD8000069F222007507849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <080720061825.27122.44D785860008CDD8000069F222007507849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 8/7/06, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > well, the bug in anaconda hanging with i2o_block devices still seems to be > present. I don't want to 'be a pain', but this is an issue for me. > > If anyone can tell me how to make anaconda use a different kernel (or even > point me to a page that discusses it), I would greatly appreciate it. At > present, I cannot load FC5 on my systems since they all use adaptec raid > controllers which require the i2o_block device. If it was possible to even > use an older version of anaconda (prior to 2.6-15) that would probably > work as well. Not sure if this will help you but I disabled host raid on my adaptec controller bios and use the kernel to setup software raid 1. Also in the old days of RH9 I used the drivers provided by adaptec. They have a floppy disk image you can download and use the boot parameter dd or expert where ananconda should ask for the driver disk during installation. Not sure if there is a version for fc5 though. Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > Newark Charter School > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Dave Hopkins > > Just tried an install and the process hung during the dependencies check > > with a 'cannot unmount the CD' error. Complains about a shell being > open. > > > > Will re-download/rsync and try again. > > > > Sincerely, > > Dave Hopkins > > Newark Charter School > > > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > > K12LTSP 5.0.0 release candidate #5 has been uploaded. > > > > > > This build includes an updated kernel for the terminals. > > > > > > > > > Please give this build a very thorough test and report any and all > > > issues that you see. If no show-stopping bugs are reported, we'll > > > release this as the official 5.0.0 on Monday. > > > > > > > > > > > > The repositories have been updated, if you have an earlier beta > > > installed you can simply run "yum update". > > > > > > > > > Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: > > > > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ > > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . > > > > > > Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: > > > > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ > > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . > > > > > > > > > -Eric > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I found I had to use /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool to make it work. i.e. different location and no caps. > > I am not sure if it was something I did or if the documentation is a > bit out of date. > > -- > Please note my new email address- > krsnendu108 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karisue at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 20:48:54 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:48:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] gradebook question Message-ID: How does TeacherTool compare to Centre? 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URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Aug 7 21:33:57 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:33:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] gradebook question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44D7B1C5.7070601@paasda.org> TeacherTool isn't a gradebook program, I don't believe. at least the version I used 5 minutes ago(well outdated) didn't have any grading features whatsoever. --Huck Kari Matthews wrote: > How does TeacherTool compare to Centre? > > Thanks, > kari > > > > -- > *-*-*-*-*-* > blog.karimatthews.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jahnigl at hotmail.com Mon Aug 7 22:00:16 2006 From: jahnigl at hotmail.com (Lance Jahnig) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:00:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #5 In-Reply-To: <44D3901E.6070805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: >From: Eric Harrison >Reply-To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #5 >Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:21:18 -0700 > >K12LTSP 5.0.0 release candidate #5 has been uploaded. > >This build includes an updated kernel for the terminals. > > >Please give this build a very thorough test and report any and all >issues that you see. If no show-stopping bugs are reported, we'll >release this as the official 5.0.0 on Monday. > > > >The repositories have been updated, if you have an earlier beta >installed you can simply run "yum update". > > >Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . > >Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . > > >-Eric > Unable to rsync [root]#rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . receiving file list ... rsync: link_stat "5.0.0-32bit/iso/." (in testing) failed: Too many levels of symbolic links (40) 0 files to consider sent 4 bytes received 17 bytes 42.00 bytes/sec total size is 0 speedup is 0.00 rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(1298) [receiver=2.6.8] [root]# rsync -av --list-only k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us:: rh73-updates Red Hat 7.3 updates rh80-updates Red Hat 8.0 updates testing experimental rpms K12LTSP Use this if you want to mirror the K12LTSP distro K12LTSP-EL K12LTSP "Enterprise" ISO images, 32bit version (Pentium, Athlon) K12LTSP-EL-64bit K12LTSP "Enterprise" ISO images, 64bit version (Opteron, EM64T) K12LTSP-mirror Use this if you want to mirror the K12LTSP distro K12Linux-mirror Use this if you want to mirror the K12Linux distro K12LTSP-beta development branch of K12LTSP, not intended for production use K12LTSP-apt mirror of the K12LTSP apt repositories K12LTSP-pre pre-release branch of K12LTSP K12LTSP-4.0-i386 K12LTSP 4.0.x install tree K12LTSP-4.1-i386 K12LTSP 4.1.1 install tree K12LTSP-4.2-i386 K12LTSP 4.2.1 install tree K12LTSP-4.4-i386 K12LTSP 4.4.1 install tree K12LTSP-all The whole K12LTSP 4.2.1 install tree, updates, and ISOs. K12LTSP-4.2.1-all The whole K12LTSP 4.2.1 install tree, updates, and ISOs. K12LTSP-4.4.1-all The whole K12LTSP 4.4.1 install tree, updates, and ISOs. If I look at the folder listings on the ftp server the testing/5.0.0-32bit redirects to ../5.0.0-32bit Thanks From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Aug 7 22:10:50 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:10:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44D7BA6A.8000206@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Lance Jahnig wrote: >> From: Eric Harrison >> Reply-To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >> >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #5 >> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:21:18 -0700 >> >> K12LTSP 5.0.0 release candidate #5 has been uploaded. >> >> This build includes an updated kernel for the terminals. >> >> >> Please give this build a very thorough test and report any and all >> issues that you see. If no show-stopping bugs are reported, we'll >> release this as the official 5.0.0 on Monday. >> >> >> >> The repositories have been updated, if you have an earlier beta >> installed you can simply run "yum update". >> >> >> Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . >> >> Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . >> >> >> -Eric >> > > Unable to rsync > > [root]#rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . > receiving file list ... > rsync: link_stat "5.0.0-32bit/iso/." (in testing) failed: Too many > levels of symbolic links (40) > 0 files to consider > > sent 4 bytes received 17 bytes 42.00 bytes/sec > total size is 0 speedup is 0.00 > rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at > main.c(1298) [receiver=2.6.8] > > [root]# rsync -av --list-only k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us:: > rh73-updates Red Hat 7.3 updates > rh80-updates Red Hat 8.0 updates > testing experimental rpms > K12LTSP Use this if you want to mirror the K12LTSP distro > K12LTSP-EL K12LTSP "Enterprise" ISO images, 32bit version (Pentium, > Athlon) > K12LTSP-EL-64bit K12LTSP "Enterprise" ISO images, 64bit version > (Opteron, EM64T) > K12LTSP-mirror Use this if you want to mirror the K12LTSP distro > K12Linux-mirror Use this if you want to mirror the K12Linux distro > K12LTSP-beta development branch of K12LTSP, not intended for > production use > K12LTSP-apt mirror of the K12LTSP apt repositories > K12LTSP-pre pre-release branch of K12LTSP > K12LTSP-4.0-i386 K12LTSP 4.0.x install tree > K12LTSP-4.1-i386 K12LTSP 4.1.1 install tree > K12LTSP-4.2-i386 K12LTSP 4.2.1 install tree > K12LTSP-4.4-i386 K12LTSP 4.4.1 install tree > K12LTSP-all The whole K12LTSP 4.2.1 install tree, updates, and ISOs. > K12LTSP-4.2.1-all The whole K12LTSP 4.2.1 install tree, updates, > and ISOs. > K12LTSP-4.4.1-all The whole K12LTSP 4.4.1 install tree, updates, > and ISOs. > > If I look at the folder listings on the ftp server the > testing/5.0.0-32bit redirects to ../5.0.0-32bit > > Thanks Yes, it appears that rsync gets quite unhappy about that. I made a change so that rsync will work while I'm in the process of moving everything around for the official release... -Eric From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 22:17:12 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:17:12 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] gradebook question In-Reply-To: <44D7B1C5.7070601@paasda.org> References: <44D7B1C5.7070601@paasda.org> Message-ID: I think you mean Schooltool or schoolbell. Teachertool is a program for monitoring and controlling use of client computers and broadcasting demonstations and messages to users. It is very cool but it is not a gradebook program. Good question though "How does SchoolTool compare to Centre?" On 08/08/06, Huck wrote: > TeacherTool isn't a gradebook program, I don't believe. > at least the version I used 5 minutes ago(well outdated) didn't have any > grading features whatsoever. > > --Huck > > Kari Matthews wrote: > > How does TeacherTool compare to Centre? > > > > Thanks, > > kari > > > > > > > > -- > > *-*-*-*-*-* > > blog.karimatthews.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Aug 7 22:43:46 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:43:46 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP5.0 Have to hold down the power button for 3 seconds to turn off clients. In-Reply-To: <774593a20608062325wff24816m13fbcc871121523e@mail.gmail.com> References: <774593a20608062325wff24816m13fbcc871121523e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I have already changed the bios setting and it was working fine in 4.2.1 I thought it must be an operating system thing. On 07/08/06, Sudev Barar wrote: > On 07/08/06, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > In previous versions I just press the power button and the clients > > turned off straight away. Now I have to hold to power button for about > > 3 seconds. Is there a way to change it back to the instant off system. > > > > There is a BIOS setting that turn on/off such behaviour. > > HTH > > -- > Regards, > Sudev Barar > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com From jam at mcquil.com Tue Aug 8 00:08:58 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:08:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP5.0 Have to hold down the power button for 3 seconds to turn off clients. In-Reply-To: References: <774593a20608062325wff24816m13fbcc871121523e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44D7D61A.3070707@McQuil.com> Krsnendu, The power-button issue is caused by the fact that LTSP-4.2 and the latest version of K12LTSP are using a 2.6.x kernel, which uses acpi. acpi configures the power button to generate an event, rather than turn the power off immediately. LTSP doesn't include the proper code to invoke a shutdown yet, so the event doesn't do anything. Holding the button for some number of seconds causes a real power-off to happen. We plan on adding this capability in a future version of LTSP. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > I have already changed the bios setting and it was working fine in 4.2.1 > I thought it must be an operating system thing. > > On 07/08/06, Sudev Barar wrote: >> On 07/08/06, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: >> > In previous versions I just press the power button and the clients >> > turned off straight away. Now I have to hold to power button for about >> > 3 seconds. Is there a way to change it back to the instant off system. >> > >> >> There is a BIOS setting that turn on/off such behaviour. >> >> HTH >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Sudev Barar >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 8 00:47:56 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Released! Message-ID: Come one, come all! Come get your shiny new bits and bytes! K12LTSP version 5.0 is now available for your downloading pleasure. Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-32bit/ . Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-64bit/ . K12LTSP 5.0 is based on Fedora Core 5, which includes all sorts of new stuff. Of primary interest to K12LTSP users: * This release of Fedora includes Mono support for the first time, and Mono applications such as Beagle, a desktop search interface; F-Spot, a photo management utility; and Tomboy, a note-taking application. * There is dramatically improved internationalization support with SCIM in Fedora Core 5. The SCIM language input framework provides an easy to use interface for inputting many different non-English languages. * For all of the dirty-details, see the full release notes at: http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc5/release-notes-ISO/ K12LTSP includes LTSP version 4.2. LTSP-4.2 offers lots of great improvements, including: * Redesigned local device support based on ltspfs and lbus. Currently, USB Memory sticks, USB CDRom, IDE CDrom and floppy drives are supported. With local devices enabled, when you insert a memory stick or a CDRom, an Icon appears on the desktop that is browseable. Remove the memory stick or CDrom, and the icon disappears. * We've reduced the amount of memory needed on a thin client by about 7mb. This is really significant for low-memory machines. * Updated to the 2.6.16.1 kernel. * Swap over NBD. We've used NFS-Swap in the past, but that's not available in the 2.6.x series kernels. We wrote a new ltspswapd daemon that runs on the server, to provide NBD swapfile management. * udev has completely replaced devfs. This causes a significant speedup in the boot time, and better hotplug capabilities for local devices. * SANE (Scanner Access Now Easy) is now included in LTSP, so you can plug scanners into the thin clients, and access them from anywhere on the network. * Multi-head X - The ability to have multiple video cards and multiple monitors connected to a single thin client. Very handy for extreme programming, where you just need more space to open up more windows. * Faster client booting. We've really made some great progress here. By switching from devfs to udev, and by making lots of improvements to the startup scripts, we've decreased the boot time dramatically. On our test workstations (LTSP T-170's from DisklessWorkstations.com), we've gotten the boot time down to 22 seconds! That's 22 seconds from pressing the power button, to having a graphical login screen. THAT is fast. * VNC module that can be used by Fl_Teachertool to Monitor or Control a thin client. Note that is disabled by default. To enable this feature, you must do the following: 1) Edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and uncomment (remove the "#") from the following line: X4_MODULE_02 = vnc 2) Now you'll have to make a password for the vnc-session. Run this command as root: /usr/bin/vncpasswd 3) Copy the password file into the ltsp-tree cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ From luis.montes at cox.net Tue Aug 8 02:01:42 2006 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:01:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Released! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44D7F086.9050301@cox.net> Thanks for all the hard work, Eric ! One question, Are these the same files as rc5 ? I just finished pulling those down a little while ago. -Luis Eric Harrison wrote: > > Come one, come all! Come get your shiny new bits and bytes! > > K12LTSP version 5.0 is now available for your downloading pleasure. > > > Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: > > http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-32bit/ . > > > Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: > > http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-64bit/ . > > > > K12LTSP 5.0 is based on Fedora Core 5, which includes all sorts of > new stuff. Of primary interest to K12LTSP users: > > * This release of Fedora includes Mono support for the first time, > and Mono applications such as Beagle, a desktop search interface; > F-Spot, a photo management utility; and Tomboy, a note-taking > application. > > * There is dramatically improved internationalization support with > SCIM in Fedora Core 5. The SCIM language input framework provides > an easy to use interface for inputting many different non-English > languages. > > * For all of the dirty-details, see the full release notes at: > http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc5/release-notes-ISO/ > > K12LTSP includes LTSP version 4.2. LTSP-4.2 offers lots of great > improvements, including: > > * Redesigned local device support based on ltspfs and lbus. > Currently, > USB Memory sticks, USB CDRom, IDE CDrom and floppy drives are > supported. With local devices enabled, when you insert a memory > stick or a CDRom, an Icon appears on the desktop that is > browseable. > Remove the memory stick or CDrom, and the icon disappears. > > * We've reduced the amount of memory needed on a thin client by > about 7mb. This is really significant for low-memory machines. > > * Updated to the 2.6.16.1 kernel. > > * Swap over NBD. We've used NFS-Swap in the past, but that's not > available in the 2.6.x series kernels. We wrote a new ltspswapd > daemon that runs on the server, to provide NBD swapfile management. > > * udev has completely replaced devfs. This causes a significant > speedup in the boot time, and better hotplug capabilities for > local devices. > > * SANE (Scanner Access Now Easy) is now included in LTSP, so you > can plug scanners into the thin clients, and access them from > anywhere on the network. > > * Multi-head X - The ability to have multiple video cards and > multiple monitors connected to a single thin client. Very handy > for extreme programming, where you just need more space to open > up more windows. > > * Faster client booting. We've really made some great progress here. > By switching from devfs to udev, and by making lots of improvements > to the startup scripts, we've decreased the boot time dramatically. > On our test workstations (LTSP T-170's from > DisklessWorkstations.com), > we've gotten the boot time down to 22 seconds! That's 22 seconds > from > pressing the power button, to having a graphical login screen. > THAT is fast. > > * VNC module that can be used by Fl_Teachertool to Monitor or > Control a thin client. Note that is disabled by default. To enable > this feature, you must do the following: > > > 1) Edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and uncomment > (remove the "#") from the following line: > > X4_MODULE_02 = vnc > > 2) Now you'll have to make a password for the vnc-session. Run this > command as root: > > /usr/bin/vncpasswd > > 3) Copy the password file into the ltsp-tree > > cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From timothy.hart at gmail.com Tue Aug 8 02:09:55 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 22:09:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Released! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <464c38cc0608071909t5ed12e9cs34d02f159a02a24f@mail.gmail.com> Eric you are the man. Really, I speak for us all when I say THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK. You are helping so many of us. Tim Hart Glenburn School District, Maine. On 8/7/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > Come one, come all! Come get your shiny new bits and bytes! > > K12LTSP version 5.0 is now available for your downloading pleasure. > > > Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: > > http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-32bit/ . > > > Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: > > http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-64bit/ . > > > > K12LTSP 5.0 is based on Fedora Core 5, which includes all sorts of > new stuff. Of primary interest to K12LTSP users: > > * This release of Fedora includes Mono support for the first time, > and Mono applications such as Beagle, a desktop search interface; > F-Spot, a photo management utility; and Tomboy, a note-taking > application. > > * There is dramatically improved internationalization support with > SCIM in Fedora Core 5. The SCIM language input framework provides > an easy to use interface for inputting many different non-English > languages. > > * For all of the dirty-details, see the full release notes at: > http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc5/release-notes-ISO/ > > K12LTSP includes LTSP version 4.2. LTSP-4.2 offers lots of great > improvements, including: > > * Redesigned local device support based on ltspfs and lbus. > Currently, > USB Memory sticks, USB CDRom, IDE CDrom and floppy drives are > supported. With local devices enabled, when you insert a memory > stick or a CDRom, an Icon appears on the desktop that is > browseable. > Remove the memory stick or CDrom, and the icon disappears. > > * We've reduced the amount of memory needed on a thin client by > about 7mb. This is really significant for low-memory machines. > > * Updated to the 2.6.16.1 kernel. > > * Swap over NBD. We've used NFS-Swap in the past, but that's not > available in the 2.6.x series kernels. We wrote a new ltspswapd > daemon that runs on the server, to provide NBD swapfile management. > > * udev has completely replaced devfs. This causes a significant > speedup in the boot time, and better hotplug capabilities for > local devices. > > * SANE (Scanner Access Now Easy) is now included in LTSP, so you > can plug scanners into the thin clients, and access them from > anywhere on the network. > > * Multi-head X - The ability to have multiple video cards and > multiple monitors connected to a single thin client. Very handy > for extreme programming, where you just need more space to open > up more windows. > > * Faster client booting. We've really made some great progress here. > By switching from devfs to udev, and by making lots of improvements > to the startup scripts, we've decreased the boot time dramatically. > On our test workstations (LTSP T-170's from > DisklessWorkstations.com), > we've gotten the boot time down to 22 seconds! That's 22 seconds > from > pressing the power button, to having a graphical login screen. > THAT is fast. > > * VNC module that can be used by Fl_Teachertool to Monitor or > Control a thin client. Note that is disabled by default. To enable > this feature, you must do the following: > > > 1) Edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and uncomment > (remove the "#") from the following line: > > X4_MODULE_02 = vnc > > 2) Now you'll have to make a password for the vnc-session. Run this > command as root: > > /usr/bin/vncpasswd > > 3) Copy the password file into the ltsp-tree > > cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Tue Aug 8 02:16:22 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 22:16:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Released! In-Reply-To: <44D7F086.9050301@cox.net> References: <44D7F086.9050301@cox.net> Message-ID: <1155003382.12761.156.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Mon, 2006-08-07 at 19:01 -0700, Luis Montes wrote: > Thanks for all the hard work, Eric ! > > One question, > Are these the same files as rc5 ? > I just finished pulling those down a little while ago. The only changes I saw on the rsync was the MD5SUM files and the name of the disk images. This true for both 32 and 64 bit. > > > -Luis > > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > Come one, come all! Come get your shiny new bits and bytes! > > > > K12LTSP version 5.0 is now available for your downloading pleasure. > > > > > > Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: > > > > http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-32bit/ . > > > > > > Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: > > > > http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-64bit/ . > > > > > > > > K12LTSP 5.0 is based on Fedora Core 5, which includes all sorts of > > new stuff. Of primary interest to K12LTSP users: > > > > * This release of Fedora includes Mono support for the first time, > > and Mono applications such as Beagle, a desktop search interface; > > F-Spot, a photo management utility; and Tomboy, a note-taking > > application. > > > > * There is dramatically improved internationalization support with > > SCIM in Fedora Core 5. The SCIM language input framework provides > > an easy to use interface for inputting many different non-English > > languages. > > > > * For all of the dirty-details, see the full release notes at: > > http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc5/release-notes-ISO/ > > > > K12LTSP includes LTSP version 4.2. LTSP-4.2 offers lots of great > > improvements, including: > > > > * Redesigned local device support based on ltspfs and lbus. > > Currently, > > USB Memory sticks, USB CDRom, IDE CDrom and floppy drives are > > supported. With local devices enabled, when you insert a memory > > stick or a CDRom, an Icon appears on the desktop that is > > browseable. > > Remove the memory stick or CDrom, and the icon disappears. > > > > * We've reduced the amount of memory needed on a thin client by > > about 7mb. This is really significant for low-memory machines. > > > > * Updated to the 2.6.16.1 kernel. > > > > * Swap over NBD. We've used NFS-Swap in the past, but that's not > > available in the 2.6.x series kernels. We wrote a new ltspswapd > > daemon that runs on the server, to provide NBD swapfile management. > > > > * udev has completely replaced devfs. This causes a significant > > speedup in the boot time, and better hotplug capabilities for > > local devices. > > > > * SANE (Scanner Access Now Easy) is now included in LTSP, so you > > can plug scanners into the thin clients, and access them from > > anywhere on the network. > > > > * Multi-head X - The ability to have multiple video cards and > > multiple monitors connected to a single thin client. Very handy > > for extreme programming, where you just need more space to open > > up more windows. > > > > * Faster client booting. We've really made some great progress here. > > By switching from devfs to udev, and by making lots of improvements > > to the startup scripts, we've decreased the boot time dramatically. > > On our test workstations (LTSP T-170's from > > DisklessWorkstations.com), > > we've gotten the boot time down to 22 seconds! That's 22 seconds > > from > > pressing the power button, to having a graphical login screen. > > THAT is fast. > > > > * VNC module that can be used by Fl_Teachertool to Monitor or > > Control a thin client. Note that is disabled by default. To enable > > this feature, you must do the following: > > > > > > 1) Edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and uncomment > > (remove the "#") from the following line: > > > > X4_MODULE_02 = vnc > > > > 2) Now you'll have to make a password for the vnc-session. Run this > > command as root: > > > > /usr/bin/vncpasswd > > > > 3) Copy the password file into the ltsp-tree > > > > cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From julius at turtle.com Tue Aug 8 02:18:00 2006 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 22:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot stopped working after upgrade to 5.0 Message-ID: <2603.192.168.30.56.1155003480.squirrel@192.168.30.56> Dear Folks, I've upgraded an important production server in a very remote location to v. 5.0. Everything seems fine, other than the fact that terminals no longer perform PXE boot. What happens is that the dhcpd issues an address and points to a valid boot file. Terminal than attemps to find this boot file in the aproppriate directory. The search sequence that normally flashes too quickly to read takes now over 15 minutes, ending with "Trying to load: pxelinux.cfg/default", "Could not find kernel image: linux", "boot:" I have copied over the /tftpboot/lts directory from a "known good" server, already updated. No joy. Please help - this is a production server, it is getting late ... Thanks, julius From jam at mcquil.com Tue Aug 8 02:20:21 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 22:20:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot stopped working after upgrade to 5.0 In-Reply-To: <2603.192.168.30.56.1155003480.squirrel@192.168.30.56> References: <2603.192.168.30.56.1155003480.squirrel@192.168.30.56> Message-ID: <44D7F4E5.6010001@McQuil.com> Julius, Can you check iptables? Also, do you have a 'next-server' directive in your dhcpd.conf file? If you can get on the #ltsp irc channel on irc.freenode.net, I can give you interactive help, and get you back on your feet again Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Dear Folks, > I've upgraded an important production server in a very remote location to > v. 5.0. Everything seems fine, other than the fact that terminals no > longer perform PXE boot. > What happens is that the dhcpd issues an address and points to a valid > boot file. Terminal than attemps to find this boot file in the > aproppriate directory. The search sequence that normally flashes too > quickly to read takes now over 15 minutes, ending with "Trying to load: > pxelinux.cfg/default", "Could not find kernel image: linux", "boot:" > > I have copied over the /tftpboot/lts directory from a "known good" server, > already updated. No joy. > Please help - this is a production server, it is getting late ... > Thanks, julius > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Tue Aug 8 02:26:38 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:26:38 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot stopped working after upgrade to 5.0 In-Reply-To: <2603.192.168.30.56.1155003480.squirrel@192.168.30.56> References: <2603.192.168.30.56.1155003480.squirrel@192.168.30.56> Message-ID: I noticed something similar. In K12LTSP 4.2.1 all my PXE clients booted straight without configuration. Now only clients specified in dhcpd.conf and lts.conf boot. It's not a problem for me because I like to set up my clients with sound and I have to specify that in lts.conf anyway. On 08/08/06, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Dear Folks, > I've upgraded an important production server in a very remote location to > v. 5.0. Everything seems fine, other than the fact that terminals no > longer perform PXE boot. > What happens is that the dhcpd issues an address and points to a valid > boot file. Terminal than attemps to find this boot file in the > aproppriate directory. The search sequence that normally flashes too > quickly to read takes now over 15 minutes, ending with "Trying to load: > pxelinux.cfg/default", "Could not find kernel image: linux", "boot:" > > I have copied over the /tftpboot/lts directory from a "known good" server, > already updated. No joy. > Please help - this is a production server, it is getting late ... > Thanks, julius > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com From toddobryan at mac.com Tue Aug 8 02:29:15 2006 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 22:29:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Ubuntu kills machine Message-ID: <189D7434-4783-4E3E-8947-C31C0525A454@mac.com> Here's a question that someone may have good ideas about before I go in tomorrow and fight with my machine. I'm trying to install Ubuntu on a fairly old but nice machine--dual 800MHz P5s, 1.75 gigs of RAM. Everything works up to the point where it looks like X should come up, but the monitor goes dead. This has happened before, so I pressed Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get a terminal. And then discovered that the keyboard was dead. As a doornail. Pressing Num Lock or Caps Lock doesn't even turn on the lights on the keyboard, even though it did previously during the install before everything went black. Any ideas? Thanks, Todd From nathan at grandvache.com Tue Aug 8 02:51:02 2006 From: nathan at grandvache.com (Nathan Shaffer) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:51:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: K12LTSP 5.0.0 Released! Message-ID: <1C0E4EE2-CB1C-4D9E-82FA-2E38DBA4E13A@grandvache.com> Since I was just getting ready to upgrade to 4.4.1 from 3.1.1, is there more of a hardware requirement on the server side to run 5.0.0? We're running 2 servers (both dual 1.0 Xeons with 4mb serving around 15 terminals each). If the school's hardware will support 5.0, I'll install that. BTW - Thanks for all the work everyone has done on the LTSP software. Nathan Shaffer nshaffer at sja.pvt.k12.or.us St John the Apostle Catholic School Oregon City, OR From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 8 03:06:05 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Released! In-Reply-To: <44D7F086.9050301@cox.net> References: <44D7F086.9050301@cox.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Luis Montes wrote: > Thanks for all the hard work, Eric ! > > One question, > Are these the same files as rc5 ? > I just finished pulling those down a little while ago. > Yes, they are exactly the same. -Eric From julius at turtle.com Tue Aug 8 03:53:05 2006 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 23:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot stopped working after upgrade to 5.0, now new problem In-Reply-To: <44D7F4E5.6010001@McQuil.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Jim McQuillan wrote: > Julius, > > Can you check iptables? > > Also, do you have a 'next-server' directive in your dhcpd.conf file? > > If you can get on the #ltsp irc channel on irc.freenode.net, I can give > you interactive help, and get you back on your feet again > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > Dear Folks, > > I've upgraded an important production server in a very remote location to > > v. 5.0. Everything seems fine, other than the fact that terminals no > > longer perform PXE boot. > > What happens is that the dhcpd issues an address and points to a valid > > boot file. Terminal than attemps to find this boot file in the > > aproppriate directory. The search sequence that normally flashes too > > quickly to read takes now over 15 minutes, ending with "Trying to load: > > pxelinux.cfg/default", "Could not find kernel image: linux", "boot:" > > > > I have copied over the /tftpboot/lts directory from a "known good" server, > > already updated. No joy. > > Please help - this is a production server, it is getting late ... > > Thanks, julius > > Jim, now that magical addition of next-server in dhcpd.conf file makes them boot fast and removal of module_0 = printer from lts.conf makes them boot correctly, i have a new problem: the print queeues are not accessible. this is the typical entry in /var/log/messages: Aug 7 22:37:55 ws044 lp_server: Started with: -n 9100 -w -d /dev/lp0 Aug 7 22:37:56 ws044 last message repeated 4 times Aug 7 22:37:56 ws044 init: Id "p0" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes telnet ws044 9100 fails. many printers. what to do? julius From jam at mcquil.com Tue Aug 8 04:08:57 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 00:08:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot stopped working after upgrade to 5.0, now new problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44D80E59.3070502@McQuil.com> Julius, which kernel are you using on the client, and do you have the matching modules in /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules ? Did you install this as an upgrade? or a complete re-load? Try setting 'SCREEN_01 = shell' in lts.conf, and see if you have any kernel modules loaded, by running 'lsmod' Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > >> Julius, >> >> Can you check iptables? >> >> Also, do you have a 'next-server' directive in your dhcpd.conf file? >> >> If you can get on the #ltsp irc channel on irc.freenode.net, I can give >> you interactive help, and get you back on your feet again >> >> Jim McQuillan >> jam at Ltsp.org >> >> >> >> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >> >>> Dear Folks, >>> I've upgraded an important production server in a very remote location to >>> v. 5.0. Everything seems fine, other than the fact that terminals no >>> longer perform PXE boot. >>> What happens is that the dhcpd issues an address and points to a valid >>> boot file. Terminal than attemps to find this boot file in the >>> aproppriate directory. The search sequence that normally flashes too >>> quickly to read takes now over 15 minutes, ending with "Trying to load: >>> pxelinux.cfg/default", "Could not find kernel image: linux", "boot:" >>> >>> I have copied over the /tftpboot/lts directory from a "known good" server, >>> already updated. No joy. >>> Please help - this is a production server, it is getting late ... >>> Thanks, julius >>> >>> > Jim, now that magical addition of next-server in dhcpd.conf file makes > them boot fast and removal of module_0 = printer from lts.conf makes them > boot correctly, i have a new problem: the print queeues are not > accessible. this is the typical entry in /var/log/messages: > Aug 7 22:37:55 ws044 lp_server: Started with: -n 9100 -w -d /dev/lp0 > Aug 7 22:37:56 ws044 last message repeated 4 times > Aug 7 22:37:56 ws044 init: Id "p0" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 > minutes > > telnet ws044 9100 fails. many printers. what to do? > julius > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From edward at netday.org.za Tue Aug 8 04:54:12 2006 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 06:54:12 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Released! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Eric Congratulations on on this huge achievement. Now we begin with a "roadshow" to upgrade over 50 schools in remote corners of South Africa to the latest K12LTSP. Thank you for your incredible effort. ed On 08 Aug 2006, at 2:47 AM, Eric Harrison wrote: > > Come one, come all! Come get your shiny new bits and bytes! > > K12LTSP version 5.0 is now available for your downloading pleasure. > Edward Holcroft Executive Director: NetDay South Africa From julius at turtle.com Tue Aug 8 05:14:25 2006 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 01:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot stopped working after upgrade to 5.0, now new problem In-Reply-To: <44D80E59.3070502@McQuil.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Jim McQuillan wrote: > Julius, > > which kernel are you using on the client, and do you have the matching > modules in /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules ? > > Did you install this as an upgrade? or a complete re-load? > > Try setting 'SCREEN_01 = shell' in lts.conf, and see if you > have any kernel modules loaded, by running 'lsmod' > > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > > > >> Julius, > >> > >> Can you check iptables? > >> > >> Also, do you have a 'next-server' directive in your dhcpd.conf file? > >> > >> If you can get on the #ltsp irc channel on irc.freenode.net, I can give > >> you interactive help, and get you back on your feet again > >> > >> Jim McQuillan > >> jam at Ltsp.org > >> > >> > >> > >> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > >> > >>> Dear Folks, > >>> I've upgraded an important production server in a very remote location to > >>> v. 5.0. Everything seems fine, other than the fact that terminals no > >>> longer perform PXE boot. > >>> What happens is that the dhcpd issues an address and points to a valid > >>> boot file. Terminal than attemps to find this boot file in the > >>> aproppriate directory. The search sequence that normally flashes too > >>> quickly to read takes now over 15 minutes, ending with "Trying to load: > >>> pxelinux.cfg/default", "Could not find kernel image: linux", "boot:" > >>> > >>> I have copied over the /tftpboot/lts directory from a "known good" server, > >>> already updated. No joy. > >>> Please help - this is a production server, it is getting late ... > >>> Thanks, julius > >>> > >>> > > Jim, now that magical addition of next-server in dhcpd.conf file makes > > them boot fast and removal of module_0 = printer from lts.conf makes them > > boot correctly, i have a new problem: the print queeues are not > > accessible. this is the typical entry in /var/log/messages: > > Aug 7 22:37:55 ws044 lp_server: Started with: -n 9100 -w -d /dev/lp0 > > Aug 7 22:37:56 ws044 last message repeated 4 times > > Aug 7 22:37:56 ws044 init: Id "p0" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 > > minutes > > > > telnet ws044 9100 fails. many printers. what to do? > > julius Jim, installed as an upgrade. good probability of missing modules - usb printer definitions don't create accessible queues either. kernel version: vmlinuz-2.6.16-2.k12ltsp.5.0.0 the only module shown by lsmod is "via_rhine" julius From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Aug 8 11:15:39 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Ubuntu kills machine In-Reply-To: <189D7434-4783-4E3E-8947-C31C0525A454@mac.com> References: <189D7434-4783-4E3E-8947-C31C0525A454@mac.com> Message-ID: <41080.70.33.151.214.1155035739.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> if you can get to a commanline you mightry dpkg-reconfigure --config xserver-xorg or some permutation of such.. From jam at mcquil.com Tue Aug 8 11:58:20 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 07:58:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE boot stopped working after upgrade to 5.0, now new problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44D87C5C.4070008@McQuil.com> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > Jim, installed as an upgrade. good probability of missing modules - usb > printer definitions don't create accessible queues either. > kernel version: vmlinuz-2.6.16-2.k12ltsp.5.0.0 > > the only module shown by lsmod is "via_rhine" > Yep, sounds like you don't have the modules tree that goes with that kernel. the via_rhine driver is for the network card, and that comes from the initramfs. On the terminal, in shell mode, do this: cat /proc/version With that, you can see the internal name of the kernel. then, check in /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules, and you should have a module tree with that name. if not, then i'm suspecting that there's something wrong with the upgrade process. Jim. From dahopkins at comcast.net Tue Aug 8 13:27:15 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:27:15 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #5 Message-ID: <080820061327.18948.44D89133000785BA00004A0422073000339C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Thanks, I will have to try this. Though ... given my luck I fully expect the machine to catch on fire and otherwise self-destruct. And I only have a DVD player in one server, so ... should be fun! Sorry for the pessimism, just haven't had a good week or two. As my uncle once told me, "Cheer up, things could be worse" So ... I cheered up, and things got worse. ;) Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School -------------- Original message -------------- From: Eric Harrison > dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > well, the bug in anaconda hanging with i2o_block devices still seems > > to be present. I don't want to 'be a pain', but this is an issue for > > me. > > > > If anyone can tell me how to make anaconda use a different kernel (or > > even point me to a page that discusses it), I would greatly > > appreciate it. At present, I cannot load FC5 on my systems since > > they all use adaptec raid controllers which require the i2o_block > > device. If it was possible to even use an older version of anaconda > > (prior to 2.6-15) that would probably work as well. > > > > Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School > > > > There was a thread on this a couple of weeks ago. Here was my suggestion: > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2006-July/msg00284.html > > > -Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The workaround was to use hp jetdirects :-) Thanks, julius From stegil at hotmail.com Tue Aug 8 15:49:18 2006 From: stegil at hotmail.com (Steve Gilmore) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:49:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Ubuntu kills machine References: <189D7434-4783-4E3E-8947-C31C0525A454@mac.com> Message-ID: I have had similar trouble with ubuntu 5.04 & 5.10 on a dual P3-933. I believe it was due to the newer xorg drivers. I just ended up staying with the original ubuntu 4.11. It uses xserver and didn't have those display blanking issues. SteveG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd O'Bryan" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:29 PM Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Ubuntu kills machine > Here's a question that someone may have good ideas about before I go in > tomorrow and fight with my machine. > > I'm trying to install Ubuntu on a fairly old but nice machine--dual > 800MHz P5s, 1.75 gigs of RAM. > > Everything works up to the point where it looks like X should come up, > but the monitor goes dead. This has happened before, so I pressed > Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get a terminal. And then discovered that the keyboard was > dead. > > As a doornail. Pressing Num Lock or Caps Lock doesn't even turn on the > lights on the keyboard, even though it did previously during the install > before everything went black. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Todd > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rgm at htt-consult.com Tue Aug 8 16:41:17 2006 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:41:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer reinstall failure Message-ID: <44D8BEAD.9060207@htt-consult.com> OK. I think I goofed up big time. The docs say you can run ./smb-ldap all over and over until you get it right? So I deleted the smbldap-install directory in /root, redownloaded the tgz untared and tried again. I got through a lot of the script then bot a mesage about: /etc/logrotate.d/smbldap-ldif-backups already exists, will overwrite in 10 seconds (CTRL+C to cancel).... I waited 10 seconds and ended up at the comande prompt. So I promptly, :-! , did a rm -fr /etc/logrotate.d/ I REALLY suspect I removed too much :'( I did a mkdir /etc/logrotate.d/ but suspect I will have to find out what files I need to add... and did ./smbldap all again. This time: Caution: You have /home exported more than once in /etc/exports/ make sure this is what you want. (I understand what I have to do here, but why did this happen?) and: /etc/cron.daily/smbldap-ldif-backups already exists, will overwrite in 10 seconds (CTRL+C to cancel).... Well this time I did not touch the keyboard and am waiting for HELP!!! From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Tue Aug 8 17:57:12 2006 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:57:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer reinstall failure In-Reply-To: <44D8BEAD.9060207@htt-consult.com> References: <44D8BEAD.9060207@htt-consult.com> Message-ID: <69b790a80608081057n495cd805q6c463846ca5fdea3@mail.gmail.com> On 8/8/06, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > /etc/logrotate.d/smbldap-ldif-backups already exists, will overwrite in > 10 seconds (CTRL+C to cancel).... > > I waited 10 seconds and ended up at the comande prompt. > > So I promptly, :-! , did a rm -fr /etc/logrotate.d/ > Oops. You removed *all* the logrotate files. Any logs that get rotated had their definitions in that directory. (well, most anyway). What the script was going to do was overwrite the one. A more appropriate means of removal was probably rm /etc/logrotate.d/smbldap-ldif-backups Be wary of "-rf" with "rm" unless you are absolutely sure of what will happen. Is this a redhat box? redhat has a means of working with the package manager to verify existance of files from the packages. Not sure if you could use that to figure out what *used* to be there. Debian may have a similar feature. The directory: /etc/cron.daily/ holds all the daily cronjobs. THere is probably one there called: smbldap-ldif-backups The script is probably warning that you will be over-writing that one. If you haven't altered it, it's probably safe to remove that one. There are other files in there that need to stay, so don't 'rm' the directory. From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Tue Aug 8 17:59:40 2006 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:59:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer reinstall failure In-Reply-To: <69b790a80608081057n495cd805q6c463846ca5fdea3@mail.gmail.com> References: <44D8BEAD.9060207@htt-consult.com> <69b790a80608081057n495cd805q6c463846ca5fdea3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69b790a80608081059j8bf1ac6y6b859117c0c0b33a@mail.gmail.com> I keep saying "probably". I haven't run the script, and without actually seeing it, I can only guess. I'm sure about the /etc/cron.daily and /etc/logrotate.d directories and the types of files that normally reside there. From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Aug 8 20:14:42 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 13:14:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Jim McQillan / Eric Harrison / Atlanta Schools Interviews Available - Mike Huffman This Thursday Message-ID: There are two webcast interviews now available to download from last week: Jim McQuillan and Eric Harrison on LTSP and K12LTSP; and Daniel Howard, William Fragakis, and Shawn Adams on the Atlanta Public Schools work with K12LTSP. Unfortunately, the sound wasn't as great on these recordings, but the topic material was awesome! MP3 FORMAT Jim and Eric: http://educationbridges.net/k12opensource/wp-content/uploads/k12opensource2a.mp3 Daniel, William, and Shawn: http://educationbridges.net/k12opensource/wp-content/uploads/k12opensource2b.mp3 OGG FORMAT Jim and Eric: http://educationbridges.net/k12opensource/wp-content/uploads/k12opensource2a.ogg Daniel, William, and Shawn: http://educationbridges.net/k12opensource/wp-content/uploads/k12opensource2b.ogg This Thursday night (August 10), I'll be interviewing Mike Huffman from Indiana, who will talk about his work on their INAccess program and the role that Linux is playing in that effort. The one-hour interview will be broadcast live at 5:00 pm PDT / 8:00 pm EDT, and will also be available afterwards in recorded form. Links to join the live Skypecast, to leave questions, or to learn more are at www.K12OpenSource.com/Interviews. Here is the following weeks I'll be interviewing Michelle Moore (Remote Learner) about Moodle, Victoria Davis (Westwood Schools) and Adam Frey (Wikispaces) about Wikis, and Ruth Lutes and Ragavan Srinivasan (both from HP) about Open Source Licensing. To suggest future interview topics, or to contribute to the wiki, visit K12OpenSource.com. I'm sorry to say that Miguel Guhlin has had to reconsider his participation as co-host, and so for the time being I will be flying solo. Anyone interested in serving as co-host can email me directly. With Miguel's departure I intend to expand the show to include not only K12 Open Source topics, but will also include Web 2.0, educational technology, computer reuse, and some very specific interviews on Linux thin client. :) Steve -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.K12OpenSource.com (Public Wiki) www.SupportBlogging.com (Public Wiki) From robark at gmail.com Tue Aug 8 20:51:37 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 13:51:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Jim McQillan / Eric Harrison / Atlanta Schools Interviews Available - Mike Huffman This Thursday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nice interviews Steve, I think a reason for the low audio quality is the echo which is produced from speakers and microphone being too close together. If an ear speaker is used then the mic won't pic it up. On 8/8/06, Steve Hargadon wrote: > > There are two webcast interviews now available to download from last > week: Jim McQuillan and Eric Harrison on LTSP and K12LTSP; and Daniel > Howard, William Fragakis, and Shawn Adams on the Atlanta Public > Schools work with K12LTSP. Unfortunately, the sound wasn't as great > on these recordings, but the topic material was awesome! > > MP3 FORMAT > Jim and Eric: > > http://educationbridges.net/k12opensource/wp-content/uploads/k12opensource2a.mp3 > Daniel, William, and Shawn: > > http://educationbridges.net/k12opensource/wp-content/uploads/k12opensource2b.mp3 > > OGG FORMAT > Jim and Eric: > > http://educationbridges.net/k12opensource/wp-content/uploads/k12opensource2a.ogg > Daniel, William, and Shawn: > > http://educationbridges.net/k12opensource/wp-content/uploads/k12opensource2b.ogg > > This Thursday night (August 10), I'll be interviewing Mike Huffman > from Indiana, who will talk about his work on their INAccess program > and the role that Linux is playing in that effort. The one-hour > interview will be broadcast live at 5:00 pm PDT / 8:00 pm EDT, and > will also be available afterwards in recorded form. Links to join the > live Skypecast, to leave questions, or to learn more are at > www.K12OpenSource.com/Interviews. > > Here is the following weeks I'll be interviewing Michelle Moore > (Remote Learner) about Moodle, Victoria Davis (Westwood Schools) and > Adam Frey (Wikispaces) about Wikis, and Ruth Lutes and Ragavan > Srinivasan (both from HP) about Open Source Licensing. To suggest > future interview topics, or to contribute to the wiki, visit > K12OpenSource.com. > > I'm sorry to say that Miguel Guhlin has had to reconsider his > participation as co-host, and so for the time being I will be flying > solo. Anyone interested in serving as co-host can email me directly. > With Miguel's departure I intend to expand the show to include not > only K12 Open Source topics, but will also include Web 2.0, > educational technology, computer reuse, and some very specific > interviews on Linux thin client. :) > > Steve > > -- > Steve Hargadon > steve at hargadon.com > 916-899-1400 direct > > www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) > www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) > www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) > www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) > www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) > www.K12OpenSource.com (Public Wiki) > www.SupportBlogging.com (Public Wiki) > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Aug 8 22:18:16 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Jim McQillan / Eric Harrison / Atlanta Schools Interviews Available - Mike Huffman This Thursday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44240.70.33.151.214.1155075496.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Who was it that used the motto: "The voice of his Master" From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue Aug 8 23:28:13 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:28:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying fix?? In-Reply-To: <44D38F28.9060605@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44D38F28.9060605@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: To me that makes more sense. Why would you be proxying traffic on the external interface?? On Aug 4, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Eric Harrison wrote: > Burke Almquist wrote: >> The transparent proxy script should only redirect traffic on the >> internal interface to the squid/squidguard/dg port. I've noticed >> that >> it doesn't do this, it redirects traffic from both interfaces. Is >> this >> intentional or accidental? Am I missing something? >> > > The transparent proxy script has not been changed in years, I honestly > can't remember all of the design considerations ;-) > > > The intent is that a transparent proxy server should *ONLY* be a > transparent proxy server, it should not be a general-purpose server. > > > I'll take another look at it. The suggestion of limiting it to the > internal interface only may very well be a better way to go. > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Aug 8 23:48:22 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:48:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Jim McQillan / Eric Harrison / Atlanta Schools Interviews Available - Mike Huffman This Thursday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/8/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Nice interviews Steve, > > I think a reason for the low audio quality is the echo which is produced > from speakers and microphone being too close together. If an ear speaker is > used then the mic won't pic it up. > At the start of Jim's interview, we (I) didn't turn off the skypecast crowd, and that caused a lot of the problem. I use a headset mic, but Miguel was recording that night and I think there must have been some quality problem on his end. The first interview with David Thornburg was much clearer. I'm going to be doing the recording this Thursday, and I'm hoping it will be better... :) I thought the interview with Atlanta Public Schools was really, really interesting because they seem so poised to have success. Have you had any contact with them at all? Steve -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.K12OpenSource.com (Public Wiki) www.SupportBlogging.com (Public Wiki) From robark at gmail.com Wed Aug 9 01:51:49 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:51:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Jim McQillan / Eric Harrison / Atlanta Schools Interviews Available - Mike Huffman This Thursday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/8/06, Steve Hargadon wrote: > > On 8/8/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > Nice interviews Steve, > > > > I think a reason for the low audio quality is the echo which is produced > > from speakers and microphone being too close together. If an ear speaker > is > > used then the mic won't pic it up. > > > > At the start of Jim's interview, we (I) didn't turn off the skypecast > crowd, and that caused a lot of the problem. I use a headset mic, but > Miguel was recording that night and I think there must have been some > quality problem on his end. The first interview with David Thornburg > was much clearer. I'm going to be doing the recording this Thursday, > and I'm hoping it will be better... :) What about the setup of the person being interviewed? Doesn't the speaker - mic echo on their end matter? I thought the interview with Atlanta Public Schools was really, really > interesting because they seem so poised to have success. Have you had > any contact with them at all? No. Steve > > -- > Steve Hargadon > steve at hargadon.com > 916-899-1400 direct > > www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) > www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) > www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) > www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) > www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) > www.K12OpenSource.com (Public Wiki) > www.SupportBlogging.com (Public Wiki) > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The teachers are so excited they are nearly effervescent :) Then, hopefully, it's planning time for the remaining 91 schools and 55,000 students. Local Net Solutions is the project architect on this for the Atlanta Public Schools. -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Under Windows there are many choices. Although some of these work 95% using wine. I was wondering if anyone knew of a Linux based FOSS alternative. I know that Moodle has an online quiz module but I am looking for one which is mainly used for paper tests. Features like scrambling order of questions and/or multiple choice alternatives. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Aug 9 10:25:24 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 06:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Accessing Printer on thin client from Windows computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58979.70.33.151.214.1155119124.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> cant you just access that as a jetdirect printer from windows..by ip address just like a printserver?chuck From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 15:43:13 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer: multiple /home folders possible? Message-ID: <20060809154313.96474.qmail@web31614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, everyone! I have not tried smbldap-installer yet, but hope to next week. If I understand correctly, a primary benefit of this script is that it will automagically configure an Ubuntu or K12LTSP/FC server to be an authentication server for thin clients, standalone Linux computers, and also Windows (such as 2000 or XP Pro). Is my understanding correct so far? Now to my real question. I'm in the process of upgrading our school's handful of K12LTSP boxes to version 5 (doing a clean install, actually). In the past, we just used local authentication for all computers, with the thin clients having common usernames taped to each monitor. For this upcoming school year, I'd like to instead setup user accounts for each individual student & teacher, so they could each have their own Home folder, etc. Servers A & B will each be upgraded to K12LTSP 5, and will both be serving thin clients on separate subnets (on their respective internal interfaces). Server C will not be serving any thin clients; it will have its network interface on the same subnet as A's & B's respective external interfaces. Whether I go with Ubuntu or K12LTSP (for familiarity) on server C, I'm planning on having this server be the smbldap server to authenticate everyone. However, I'd like to have students' and teachers' Home folders stored on servers A & B (respectively). Is this possible? If it is, is it relatively "easy" to setup? Thanks in advance for any advice you all can provide, even if just pointing me to relevant Internet resources. David Whitmer Calvary Schools of Holland, Michigan From lists at paulandmichelle.net Wed Aug 9 16:46:10 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:46:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Redirect "My Documents" folder to home folder In-Reply-To: <20060809154313.96474.qmail@web31614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060809164610.B74AE4905FC@ephesus.modevia.com> Hi all, Is there a way in windows 2000 to script the changing of the "My Documents" from "c:\docs and settings\blah\blah\mydocuments" to their mapped home directory? Specifically their startup.bat file that get's executed when they log in. I've googled it and can't see to come up with an easy answer. The reason behind this is I have roaming profiles turned on, but I don't want the users to wait all the time to copy their entire home directory. Sure I could tell them to save everything to their "X drive" but it's easier to show them how to save it to their "my documents" folder. Thanks for the help! Paul From dhbarr at gozelle.com Wed Aug 9 16:52:00 2006 From: dhbarr at gozelle.com (David H. Barr) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:52:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Redirect "My Documents" folder to home folder In-Reply-To: <20060809164610.B74AE4905FC@ephesus.modevia.com> References: <20060809154313.96474.qmail@web31614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060809164610.B74AE4905FC@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: Not really a K12OSN question, but definitely related. Since you asked about scripting files, this ought to get you started: http://search.microsoft.com/results.aspx?mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&q=my+documents+script Regards, -dhbarr. On 8/9/06, Paul Lemke wrote: > Hi all, > Is there a way in windows 2000 to script the changing of the "My Documents" > from "c:\docs and settings\blah\blah\mydocuments" to their mapped home > directory? Specifically their startup.bat file that get's executed when they > log in. > > I've googled it and can't see to come up with an easy answer. The reason > behind this is I have roaming profiles turned on, but I don't want the users > to wait all the time to copy their entire home directory. Sure I could tell > them to save everything to their "X drive" but it's easier to show them how > to save it to their "my documents" folder. > > Thanks for the help! > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dpalmerjr at gmail.com Wed Aug 9 17:00:19 2006 From: dpalmerjr at gmail.com (Darryl Palmer) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:00:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Redirect "My Documents" folder to home folder In-Reply-To: <20060809164610.B74AE4905FC@ephesus.modevia.com> References: <20060809154313.96474.qmail@web31614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060809164610.B74AE4905FC@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: Take a look at this article, it tells you how to change the users home directory. Which My Documents,My Pictures, etc are saved under. http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/library/60AA6FEB-3005-479E-AB36-FAD4B94920AB1033.mspx Darryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moquist at majen.net Wed Aug 9 17:26:09 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:26:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer reinstall failure (Robert Moskowitz) & (Roger) In-Reply-To: <20060809160025.63CC0734BB@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060809160025.63CC0734BB@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060809172609.GA17532@majen.net> > Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:41:17 -0400 > From: "Robert Moskowitz" > Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer reinstall failure > The docs say you can run ./smb-ldap all over and over until you get it > right? Yes, though perhaps we should have something in there about deleting old LDAP databases first. > I got through a lot of the script then bot a mesage about: > > /etc/logrotate.d/smbldap-ldif-backups already exists, will overwrite in > 10 seconds (CTRL+C to cancel).... The right thing for you to do is just wait...I guess the message should say that. :-( > So I promptly, :-! , did a rm -fr /etc/logrotate.d/ > > I REALLY suspect I removed too much :'( YES. 8-( > Caution: You have /home exported more than once in /etc/exports/ > make sure this is what you want. > > (I understand what I have to do here, but why did this happen?) You had the script add a '/home (options)' line for you once before, and you were adding another export. This doesn't hurt anything, but it's good for you to be aware of it. Maybe the script should say "Warning" instead of "Caution"; there's a well-established convention that "warnings" are workable while "errors" are not. > /etc/cron.daily/smbldap-ldif-backups already exists, will overwrite in > 10 seconds (CTRL+C to cancel).... > Well this time I did not touch the keyboard and am waiting for HELP!!! Good plan, but you've probably waited long enough now. :) > Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:57:12 -0700 > From: Roger > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer reinstall failure > Oops. > You removed *all* the logrotate files. Any logs that get rotated had > their definitions in that directory. (well, most anyway). What the > script was going to do was overwrite the one. Yes. > A more appropriate means of removal was probably > rm /etc/logrotate.d/smbldap-ldif-backups Yes. > Be wary of "-rf" with "rm" unless you are absolutely sure of what will happen. > Is this a redhat box? redhat has a means of working with the package > manager to verify existance of files from the packages. Not sure if > you could use that to figure out what *used* to be there. > Debian may have a similar feature. I'm sure there's a better way to do it, but my ham-fisted and blundering approach would be to use 'dpkg -S' on a similar box to figure out which packages have files under /etc/logrotate.d, and then go to your smbldap box and do an 'apt-get install --reinstall' for each one of those packages. > The directory: > /etc/cron.daily/ > holds all the daily cronjobs. THere is probably one there called: > smbldap-ldif-backups The script is probably warning that you will be > over-writing that one. If you haven't altered it, it's probably safe > to remove that one. There are other files in there that need to stay, > so don't 'rm' the directory. Again, this is exactly right. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ 718 Fox Hollow Drive Hudson, NH 03051 U.S.A. +1 603.236.1054 (cell) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From moquist at majen.net Wed Aug 9 17:53:39 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:53:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer: multiple /home folders possible? (David Whitmer) In-Reply-To: <20060809160025.63CC0734BB@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060809160025.63CC0734BB@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060809175339.GB17532@majen.net> > Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:43:13 -0700 (PDT) > From: David Whitmer > Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer: multiple /home folders possible? > If I understand correctly, a primary benefit of this script is that it will automagically configure an Ubuntu or K12LTSP/FC server to be an authentication server for thin clients, standalone Linux computers, and also Windows (such as 2000 or XP Pro). > Is my understanding correct so far? Yes. It tries to automate more-or-less what's described in ch. 6 of "Samba 3 By Example", which is recommended reading. > Whether I go with Ubuntu or K12LTSP (for familiarity) on server C, > I'm planning on having this server be the smbldap server to > authenticate everyone. However, I'd like to have students' and > teachers' Home folders stored on servers A & B (respectively). > Is this possible? If it is, is it relatively "easy" to setup? Yes, it is relatively easy given how difficult it would be otherwise. I described this at NELS UNH, and we were having network problems so I don't remember if we actually got to see it working. (I think we did.) This same sort of scheme would work for having a district-wide WAN where every user can access her home directory from every site. In short, what you do is create an LDAP server for each site and create subdirectories under /home for each LDAP server and then create a mesh of NFS mounts of each site to every other throughout your WAN. If you have a large WAN you may wish to have a master LDAP server (PDC) that nobody at all logs into directly, and a slave LDAP server (BDC) for each site. Otherwise, you may wish to have a master LDAP server at your largest site and a slave LDAP server (BDC) at each smaller site. See the smbldap-installer doc site for, um, very slightly more info about PDC/BDC configuration (which is new and still needs documentation such as this). I'm going to assume you have three sites in the following example, siteA, siteB, and siteC, with LDAP servers named serverA, serverB, and serverC. serverA is a master LDAP server (PDC), and serverB and serverC are slave LDAP servers (BDCs) to serverA. You'll want to do something like this on each of serverA, serverB, and serverC: serverA $ mkdir /home/{siteA,siteB,siteC} ... serverB $ mkdir /home/{siteA,siteB,siteC} ... serverC $ mkdir /home/{siteA,siteB,siteC} serverA /etc/exports: /home/siteA (rw,sync) serverA /etc/fstab entries: serverB:/home/siteB /home/siteB nfs defaults 0 0 serverC:/home/siteC /home/siteC nfs defaults 0 0 serverB /etc/exports: /home/siteB (rw,no_root_squash,sync) /home/siteB (rw,sync) serverB /etc/fstab entries: serverA:/home/siteA /home/siteA nfs defaults 0 0 serverC:/home/siteC /home/siteC nfs defaults 0 0 serverC /etc/exports: /home/siteC (rw,no_root_squash,sync) /home/siteC (rw,sync) serverC /etc/fstab entries: serverA:/home/siteA /home/siteA nfs defaults 0 0 serverB:/home/siteB /home/siteB nfs defaults 0 0 Then, when you create your users on serverA (assuming you use the smbldap-useradd-bulk script included with the smbldap-installer), be sure you divide them according to their sites and specify the appropriate home directories. Assuming you create files called userinfo.start.siteA, userinfo.start.siteB, and userinfo.start.siteC, you could run commands such as the following: serverA /root/smbldap-installer $ cp userinfo.start.siteA userinfo.start serverA /root/smbldap-installer $ ./smbldap users ... What home directory do you want these users to have by default? (Your answer must contain "USERNAME".) [/home/USERNAME] /home/siteA/USERNAME ... serverA /root/smbldap-installer $ cp userinfo.start.siteB userinfo.start serverA /root/smbldap-installer $ ./smbldap users ... What home directory do you want these users to have by default? (Your answer must contain "USERNAME".) [/home/USERNAME] /home/siteB/USERNAME ... serverA /root/smbldap-installer $ cp userinfo.start.siteC userinfo.start serverA /root/smbldap-installer $ ./smbldap users ... What home directory do you want these users to have by default? (Your answer must contain "USERNAME".) [/home/USERNAME] /home/siteC/USERNAME ... serverA /root/smbldap-installer $ In your case, David, things are much simpler. :) Don't worry about master/slaave LDAP servers, just do the NFS exports and /etc/fstab entries for servers A and B (/home/teachers and /home/students), and *then* run './smbldap users' each for teachers and students respectively (assuming you've already created userinfo.start.teachers and userinfo.start.students). Make sure serverB exports /home/teachers directly to serverA with the no_root_squash option, or serverA won't be able to create the teachers' home directories when you run './smbldap users'. Make sure serverB doesn't export /home/teachers to anything *more* than serverA with the no_root_squash option, or anybody can plug her laptop into your network and have root access to the teachers' home directories. (Yikes!) I hope this helps and is clearer than mud. 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It did not go one to setting everything up, it seemed. >> So I promptly, :-! , did a rm -fr /etc/logrotate.d/ >> >> I REALLY suspect I removed too much :'( >> > > YES. 8-( > > >> Caution: You have /home exported more than once in /etc/exports/ >> make sure this is what you want. >> >> (I understand what I have to do here, but why did this happen?) >> > > You had the script add a '/home (options)' line for you once > before, and you were adding another export. This doesn't hurt > anything, but it's good for you to be aware of it. Maybe the script > should say "Warning" instead of "Caution"; there's a well-established > convention that "warnings" are workable while "errors" are not. > Since these are duplicates, could not the script NOT add the duplicate? >> /etc/cron.daily/smbldap-ldif-backups already exists, will overwrite in >> 10 seconds (CTRL+C to cancel).... >> Well this time I did not touch the keyboard and am waiting for HELP!!! >> > > Good plan, but you've probably waited long enough now. :) > The script ended at this point. Seemed like prematurely. That is, I seem to recall the first time through more going on... Definitely did NOT get asked the smb password. >> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:57:12 -0700 >> From: Roger >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer reinstall failure >> Oops. >> You removed *all* the logrotate files. Any logs that get rotated had >> their definitions in that directory. (well, most anyway). What the >> script was going to do was overwrite the one. >> > > Yes. > > >> A more appropriate means of removal was probably >> rm /etc/logrotate.d/smbldap-ldif-backups >> > > Yes. > > >> Be wary of "-rf" with "rm" unless you are absolutely sure of what will happen. >> Is this a redhat box? redhat has a means of working with the package >> manager to verify existance of files from the packages. Not sure if >> you could use that to figure out what *used* to be there. >> Debian may have a similar feature. >> > > I'm sure there's a better way to do it, but my ham-fisted and > blundering approach would be to use 'dpkg -S' on a similar box to > figure out which packages have files under /etc/logrotate.d, and then > go to your smbldap box and do an 'apt-get install --reinstall' for > each one of those packages. > I have to figure out what I have is a similar box (hey anyone out there in Centos with a similar box?). Then I would do yum whatever? As I don't have apt... >> The directory: >> /etc/cron.daily/ >> holds all the daily cronjobs. THere is probably one there called: >> smbldap-ldif-backups The script is probably warning that you will be >> over-writing that one. If you haven't altered it, it's probably safe >> to remove that one. There are other files in there that need to stay, >> so don't 'rm' the directory. >> > > Again, this is exactly right. > > --matt From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 18:11:09 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer: multiple /home folders possible? (David Whitmer) In-Reply-To: <20060809175339.GB17532@majen.net> Message-ID: <20060809181109.23292.qmail@web31602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks, Matt, for your quick and thorough answer. Right now, we have just one campus of about 260 students K - 12. In a year or two, though, we expect to add a second campus. The extra detail about implementing multiple /home folders over a WAN will be helpful when that time comes. Thanks again! David Whitmer Calvary Schools of Holland, Michigan From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 9 18:19:46 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:19:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer reinstall failure (Robert Moskowitz) & (Roger) In-Reply-To: <44DA216C.3000000@htt-consult.com> References: <20060809160025.63CC0734BB@hormel.redhat.com> <44DA216C.3000000@htt-consult.com> Message-ID: <44DA2742.4030700@mesd.k12.or.us> Robert Moskowitz wrote: > Matt Oquist wrote: >>> From: Roger >>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer reinstall failure >>> Oops. >>> You removed *all* the logrotate files. Any logs that get rotated had >>> their definitions in that directory. (well, most anyway). What the >>> script was going to do was overwrite the one. >>> >> >> Yes. >> >> >>> A more appropriate means of removal was probably >>> rm /etc/logrotate.d/smbldap-ldif-backups >>> >> >> Yes. >> >> >>> Be wary of "-rf" with "rm" unless you are absolutely sure of what >>> will happen. >>> Is this a redhat box? redhat has a means of working with the package >>> manager to verify existance of files from the packages. Not sure if >>> you could use that to figure out what *used* to be there. >>> Debian may have a similar feature. >>> >> >> I'm sure there's a better way to do it, but my ham-fisted and >> blundering approach would be to use 'dpkg -S' on a similar box to >> figure out which packages have files under /etc/logrotate.d, and then >> go to your smbldap box and do an 'apt-get install --reinstall' for >> each one of those packages. >> > I have to figure out what I have is a similar box (hey anyone out there > in Centos with a similar box?). Then I would do yum whatever? As I > don't have apt... This is what I would do. YMMV. rpm -Va | grep '/etc/logrotate.d' | grep 'missing' > /tmp/logr-files for e in $(cat /tmp/logr-files); do rpm -qf $e; done > /tmp/logr-rpms less /tmp/logr-rpms That will verify all installed RPMs and tell you what files are missing, then tell you what RPM package the missing file belongs to. For each of those, you'll need to reinstall the package. yum install yum-utils # to get the handy yumdownloader tool mkdir /tmp/logrotate; cd /tmp/logrotate for $e in $(cat /tmp/logrotate); do yumdownloader $e; done rpm -ivh --replacepkgs *.rpm -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Aug 9 18:32:27 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:32:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Redirect "My Documents" folder to home folder In-Reply-To: <20060809164610.B74AE4905FC@ephesus.modevia.com> References: <20060809164610.B74AE4905FC@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <19E828BE-E07D-4F1D-9603-8E748B8E0F0F@inlandlakes.org> On Aug 9, 2006, at 12:46 PM, Paul Lemke wrote: > Is there a way in windows 2000 to script the changing of the "My > Documents" I use pgina (http://pgina.xpasystems.com) to authenticate from my Linux boxes, and I set the default user profile to have "My Documents" mapped to "z:" It's worked really well. 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URL: From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Aug 9 20:25:01 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:25:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Redirect "My Documents" folder to home folder In-Reply-To: <20060809164610.B74AE4905FC@ephesus.modevia.com> References: <20060809164610.B74AE4905FC@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: Indeed is *may be* easier to show them how to save to their "My Documents" folder, but I prefer to be able to just connect a computer and it just work. You will have to have the registry key to se their "My Documents" to somewhere else, and then that will only be applied if that user has appropriate rights. Another reason to teach them to use their H: drive is simjply this. . . When a user logs in on a computer with XP on it, they get a profile. On that computer. . . If they already have one on the server somewhere, that it the one they get. So, if their "My Documents" folder is bloated (most are) then that entire foder (regardless of it's actual location) will get copied to that local computer they just logged in on. Now, that user had a complete copy of their "My Documents" folder on that computer, and if they just logged in to do a single thing and they never log in again, there sits their local copy of the profile, wasting space on that computer. If they login on many computers, every single one will get a local copy of their "My Documents" folder (regardless of where it is actually located) because it lives in their profile. MUCH wasted drive space. Also, if they happen to be a counselor or whatever, their profile (including their "My Documents" folder (which may contain classified data and documentation)) get copied to that local computer's hard drive. . . MAJOR security and confidentiality risk. Any user who sits down at the computer and can browse the local drive can see into those files. For our student computers, we use DriveShield (similar to DeepFreeze) and the local drive is restored to our settings and etc. (all local data is deleted (including profiles)). The server also deletes their profile when they log off. It only takes once or twice (three times for the really slow ones) to figure out that if they save to their H: drive, it doesn't disappear and will be there the next time they need it. One major reason for this is that in the profile, there are copies of your "Temporary Internet Files". Yup! your CACHE! Imagine. . .hundreds of students, thousands in some districts, each with a full-blown copy of "Temporary Internet Files" on the server in their profiles! We had hundreds of gigs in server space and it was running at 60% when their profiles were living there. Once I set up the auto-profile-removal thing, that usage went to below 10%. Pprofiles don't live in each user's home directory, either. . . they live in their own share and the directory structure is created on the fly when they login, and deleted on the fly when they log out. WHAT A WASTE of drive space!. We don't have that problem anymore on student computers. They also learn that their cutesy screensavers, wallpapers, and other stuff disappears as well and they eventually learn that and will quit messing with them. BEEE--YOUOUOUUUUU--TEE-FUUULLL! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Paul Lemke wrote: > Hi all, > Is there a way in windows 2000 to script the changing of the "My Documents" > from "c:\docs and settings\blah\blah\mydocuments" to their mapped home > directory? Specifically their startup.bat file that get's executed when they > log in. > > I've googled it and can't see to come up with an easy answer. The reason > behind this is I have roaming profiles turned on, but I don't want the users > to wait all the time to copy their entire home directory. Sure I could tell > them to save everything to their "X drive" but it's easier to show them how > to save it to their "my documents" folder. > > Thanks for the help! > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Aug 9 20:55:26 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:55:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Redirect "My Documents" folder to home folder In-Reply-To: References: <20060809164610.B74AE4905FC@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: Don't they loose things like an address book and POP3 email this way though. If it's just documents and files you want to save then a network drive is easier, but if you want to save application preferences, settings and other arcane things, then it's probably best to use a roaming profile. On Aug 9, 2006, at 3:25 PM, Doug Simpson wrote: > Indeed is *may be* easier to show them how to save to their "My > Documents" > folder, but I prefer to be able to just connect a computer and it just > work. You will have to have the registry key to se their "My > Documents" > to somewhere else, and then that will only be applied if that user has > appropriate rights. > > Another reason to teach them to use their H: drive is simjply > this. . . > > When a user logs in on a computer with XP on it, they get a > profile. On > that computer. . . If they already have one on the server > somewhere, that > it the one they get. So, if their "My Documents" folder is bloated > (most > are) then that entire foder (regardless of it's actual location) > will get > copied to that local computer they just logged in on. Now, that > user had > a complete copy of their "My Documents" folder on that computer, > and if > they just logged in to do a single thing and they never log in again, > there sits their local copy of the profile, wasting space on that > computer. > > If they login on many computers, every single one will get a local > copy of > their "My Documents" folder (regardless of where it is actually > located) > because it lives in their profile. > > MUCH wasted drive space. Also, if they happen to be a counselor or > whatever, their profile (including their "My Documents" folder > (which may > contain classified data and documentation)) get copied to that local > computer's hard drive. . . MAJOR security and confidentiality risk. > > Any user who sits down at the computer and can browse the local > drive can > see into those files. > > For our student computers, we use DriveShield (similar to > DeepFreeze) and > the local drive is restored to our settings and etc. (all local > data is > deleted (including profiles)). The server also deletes their > profile when > they log off. It only takes once or twice (three times for the really > slow ones) to figure out that if they save to their H: drive, it > doesn't > disappear and will be there the next time they need it. > > One major reason for this is that in the profile, there are copies > of your > "Temporary Internet Files". Yup! your CACHE! Imagine. . .hundreds of > students, thousands in some districts, each with a full-blown copy of > "Temporary Internet Files" on the server in their profiles! We had > hundreds of gigs in server space and it was running at 60% when their > profiles were living there. Once I set up the auto-profile-removal > thing, > that usage went to below 10%. Pprofiles don't live in each user's > home > directory, either. . . they live in their own share and the directory > structure is created on the fly when they login, and deleted on the > fly > when they log out. > > WHAT A WASTE of drive space!. We don't have that problem anymore on > student computers. They also learn that their cutesy screensavers, > wallpapers, and other stuff disappears as well and they eventually > learn > that and will quit messing with them. > > BEEE--YOUOUOUUUUU--TEE-FUUULLL! > > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Paul Lemke wrote: > >> Hi all, >> Is there a way in windows 2000 to script the changing of the "My >> Documents" >> from "c:\docs and settings\blah\blah\mydocuments" to their mapped >> home >> directory? Specifically their startup.bat file that get's executed >> when they >> log in. >> >> I've googled it and can't see to come up with an easy answer. The >> reason >> behind this is I have roaming profiles turned on, but I don't want >> the users >> to wait all the time to copy their entire home directory. Sure I >> could tell >> them to save everything to their "X drive" but it's easier to show >> them how >> to save it to their "my documents" folder. >> >> Thanks for the help! >> Paul >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 9 21:04:33 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:04:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer reinstall failure (Robert Moskowitz) & (Roger) In-Reply-To: <44DA2742.4030700@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20060809160025.63CC0734BB@hormel.redhat.com> <44DA216C.3000000@htt-consult.com> <44DA2742.4030700@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44DA4DE1.8070306@mesd.k12.or.us> Dan Young wrote: > rpm -Va | grep '/etc/logrotate.d' | grep 'missing' > /tmp/logr-files > for e in $(cat /tmp/logr-files); do rpm -qf $e; done > /tmp/logr-rpms > less /tmp/logr-rpms > > That will verify all installed RPMs and tell you what files are missing, > then tell you what RPM package the missing file belongs to. For each of > those, you'll need to reinstall the package. > > yum install yum-utils # to get the handy yumdownloader tool > mkdir /tmp/logrotate; cd /tmp/logrotate > for $e in $(cat /tmp/logrotate); do yumdownloader $e; done > rpm -ivh --replacepkgs *.rpm Oops, the yumdownloader line should read: for $e in $(cat /tmp/logr-rpms); do yumdownloader $e; done -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From veewee77 at alltel.net Wed Aug 9 21:10:48 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:10:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Redirect "My Documents" folder to home folder In-Reply-To: References: <20060809164610.B74AE4905FC@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <44DA4F58.3040100@alltel.net> Possibly, but since we don't allow POP mail access or addressbooks, this isn't a problem for us. Burke Almquist wrote: > Don't they loose things like an address book and POP3 email this way > though. If it's just documents and files you want to save then a > network drive is easier, but if you want to save application > preferences, settings and other arcane things, then it's probably > best to use a roaming profile. > > On Aug 9, 2006, at 3:25 PM, Doug Simpson wrote: > >> Indeed is *may be* easier to show them how to save to their "My >> Documents" >> folder, but I prefer to be able to just connect a computer and it just >> work. You will have to have the registry key to se their "My >> Documents" >> to somewhere else, and then that will only be applied if that user has >> appropriate rights. >> >> Another reason to teach them to use their H: drive is simjply this. . . >> >> When a user logs in on a computer with XP on it, they get a >> profile. On >> that computer. . . If they already have one on the server somewhere, >> that >> it the one they get. So, if their "My Documents" folder is bloated >> (most >> are) then that entire foder (regardless of it's actual location) >> will get >> copied to that local computer they just logged in on. Now, that >> user had >> a complete copy of their "My Documents" folder on that computer, and if >> they just logged in to do a single thing and they never log in again, >> there sits their local copy of the profile, wasting space on that >> computer. >> >> If they login on many computers, every single one will get a local >> copy of >> their "My Documents" folder (regardless of where it is actually >> located) >> because it lives in their profile. >> >> MUCH wasted drive space. Also, if they happen to be a counselor or >> whatever, their profile (including their "My Documents" folder >> (which may >> contain classified data and documentation)) get copied to that local >> computer's hard drive. . . MAJOR security and confidentiality risk. >> >> Any user who sits down at the computer and can browse the local >> drive can >> see into those files. >> >> For our student computers, we use DriveShield (similar to >> DeepFreeze) and >> the local drive is restored to our settings and etc. (all local data is >> deleted (including profiles)). The server also deletes their profile >> when >> they log off. It only takes once or twice (three times for the really >> slow ones) to figure out that if they save to their H: drive, it >> doesn't >> disappear and will be there the next time they need it. >> >> One major reason for this is that in the profile, there are copies >> of your >> "Temporary Internet Files". Yup! your CACHE! Imagine. . .hundreds of >> students, thousands in some districts, each with a full-blown copy of >> "Temporary Internet Files" on the server in their profiles! We had >> hundreds of gigs in server space and it was running at 60% when their >> profiles were living there. Once I set up the auto-profile-removal >> thing, >> that usage went to below 10%. Pprofiles don't live in each user's home >> directory, either. . . they live in their own share and the directory >> structure is created on the fly when they login, and deleted on the fly >> when they log out. >> >> WHAT A WASTE of drive space!. We don't have that problem anymore on >> student computers. They also learn that their cutesy screensavers, >> wallpapers, and other stuff disappears as well and they eventually >> learn >> that and will quit messing with them. >> >> BEEE--YOUOUOUUUUU--TEE-FUUULLL! >> >> >> Doug Simpson >> Technology Specialist >> DeQueen Public Schools >> DeQueen, AR 71832 >> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >> Tux for President! >> >> On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Paul Lemke wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> Is there a way in windows 2000 to script the changing of the "My >>> Documents" >>> from "c:\docs and settings\blah\blah\mydocuments" to their mapped home >>> directory? Specifically their startup.bat file that get's executed >>> when they >>> log in. >>> >>> I've googled it and can't see to come up with an easy answer. The >>> reason >>> behind this is I have roaming profiles turned on, but I don't want >>> the users >>> to wait all the time to copy their entire home directory. Sure I >>> could tell >>> them to save everything to their "X drive" but it's easier to show >>> them how >>> to save it to their "my documents" folder. >>> >>> Thanks for the help! >>> Paul >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 21:35:44 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] rsyncing repositories Message-ID: <20060809213544.31475.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've been trying to rsync the directory tree for the purpose of doing network installs and updating my local machines. This is what I've been running in my nightly cron job: rsync -Pav --exclude=iso k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/ ./ This works well for http type network installs. But I don't think I'm fully utilizing my local tree as an update source. The only repo I've successfully pointed to my local rsync'd tree is the k12ltsp repo. Can I point any of my other repos to my local rsync'd tree? Also, the above rsync command doesn't seem to pick up any webmin stuff. Is it possible for me to rsync the webmin repository? Thanks for the help. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From steven at simplycircus.com Wed Aug 9 22:31:34 2006 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:31:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Redirect "My Documents" folder to home folder In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Map the H: drive to the home folder, then on the XP machine map My Documents to the H: drive. If you use Outlook, place the .pst file in the H drive. Fairly easy with 2k/2k3 server to set up group policies to do this for all users on a network, but I have never used group policies with SAMBA, so I can't help you their. With W95, W98, W2k, and XP you can also do this via a batch script, just have to make sure its run at log-in. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: PO BOX 620753 Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 781-799-4938 eFax: 309-214-0899 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Burke Almquist > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 4:55 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Redirect "My Documents" folder to home folder > > > Don't they loose things like an address book and POP3 email this way > though. If it's just documents and files you want to save then a > network drive is easier, but if you want to save application > preferences, settings and other arcane things, then it's probably > best to use a roaming profile. > > On Aug 9, 2006, at 3:25 PM, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > Indeed is *may be* easier to show them how to save to their "My > > Documents" > > folder, but I prefer to be able to just connect a computer and it just > > work. You will have to have the registry key to se their "My > > Documents" > > to somewhere else, and then that will only be applied if that user has > > appropriate rights. > > > > Another reason to teach them to use their H: drive is simjply > > this. . . > > > > When a user logs in on a computer with XP on it, they get a > > profile. On > > that computer. . . If they already have one on the server > > somewhere, that > > it the one they get. So, if their "My Documents" folder is bloated > > (most > > are) then that entire foder (regardless of it's actual location) > > will get > > copied to that local computer they just logged in on. Now, that > > user had > > a complete copy of their "My Documents" folder on that computer, > > and if > > they just logged in to do a single thing and they never log in again, > > there sits their local copy of the profile, wasting space on that > > computer. > > > > If they login on many computers, every single one will get a local > > copy of > > their "My Documents" folder (regardless of where it is actually > > located) > > because it lives in their profile. > > > > MUCH wasted drive space. Also, if they happen to be a counselor or > > whatever, their profile (including their "My Documents" folder > > (which may > > contain classified data and documentation)) get copied to that local > > computer's hard drive. . . MAJOR security and confidentiality risk. > > > > Any user who sits down at the computer and can browse the local > > drive can > > see into those files. > > > > For our student computers, we use DriveShield (similar to > > DeepFreeze) and > > the local drive is restored to our settings and etc. (all local > > data is > > deleted (including profiles)). The server also deletes their > > profile when > > they log off. It only takes once or twice (three times for the really > > slow ones) to figure out that if they save to their H: drive, it > > doesn't > > disappear and will be there the next time they need it. > > > > One major reason for this is that in the profile, there are copies > > of your > > "Temporary Internet Files". Yup! your CACHE! Imagine. . .hundreds of > > students, thousands in some districts, each with a full-blown copy of > > "Temporary Internet Files" on the server in their profiles! We had > > hundreds of gigs in server space and it was running at 60% when their > > profiles were living there. Once I set up the auto-profile-removal > > thing, > > that usage went to below 10%. Pprofiles don't live in each user's > > home > > directory, either. . . they live in their own share and the directory > > structure is created on the fly when they login, and deleted on the > > fly > > when they log out. > > > > WHAT A WASTE of drive space!. We don't have that problem anymore on > > student computers. They also learn that their cutesy screensavers, > > wallpapers, and other stuff disappears as well and they eventually > > learn > > that and will quit messing with them. > > > > BEEE--YOUOUOUUUUU--TEE-FUUULLL! > > > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > DeQueen Public Schools > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > Tux for President! > > > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Paul Lemke wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> Is there a way in windows 2000 to script the changing of the "My > >> Documents" > >> from "c:\docs and settings\blah\blah\mydocuments" to their mapped > >> home > >> directory? Specifically their startup.bat file that get's executed > >> when they > >> log in. > >> > >> I've googled it and can't see to come up with an easy answer. The > >> reason > >> behind this is I have roaming profiles turned on, but I don't want > >> the users > >> to wait all the time to copy their entire home directory. Sure I > >> could tell > >> them to save everything to their "X drive" but it's easier to show > >> them how > >> to save it to their "my documents" folder. > >> > >> Thanks for the help! > >> Paul > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From les at futuresource.com Wed Aug 9 23:10:25 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:10:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] rsyncing repositories In-Reply-To: <20060809213544.31475.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060809213544.31475.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1155165026.9015.134.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 14:35 -0700, Rob Owens wrote: > rsync -Pav --exclude=iso > k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/ ./ > > This works well for http type network installs. But I > don't think I'm fully utilizing my local tree as an > update source. The only repo I've successfully > pointed to my local rsync'd tree is the k12ltsp repo. I think that's the only one that would be included in the copy. As an alternative you can configure a squid proxy to hold large files and tell yum to use it either with the config file or a command line export like: http_proxy=http://myproxy.mydomain.com:3128 yum update The way the fedora uses a mirrorlist kind of defeats this unless you change it to always use the same server. It works OK with the Centos-based way of using round-robin DNS for the mirrors so the URLs look the same to the cache. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 10 00:49:51 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:49:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Update from FC2 to FC5 via SSH? Message-ID: <20060810004035.M84966@winonacotter.org> Okay, I know this is probably not the most recommended option and any answers come with no warranty :-) Anyhow, I just want to know if this is feasible. I have a K12LTSP server based off of FC2 (I can't remember if that was K12LTSP v4 or v3) and I want to upgrade it to K12LTSP v5.0.0. Now the trick is, I am wondering if this is possible completely via SSH through yum or some other trick. I am completely nuts? If this is possible please let me know the steps necessary. Again, I know that tarring /home and a handful of config files from /etc/ and wiping the server with a fresh install would be the best option. I also know that upgrading via CD's would be the next best option. I just want to know if this is possible and how. Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Aug 10 01:03:04 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Update from FC2 to FC5 via SSH? In-Reply-To: <20060810004035.M84966@winonacotter.org> References: <20060810004035.M84966@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Okay, I know this is probably not the most recommended option and any > answers come with no warranty :-) > > Anyhow, I just want to know if this is feasible. I have a K12LTSP server > based off of FC2 (I can't remember if that was K12LTSP v4 or v3) and I want > to upgrade it to K12LTSP v5.0.0. Now the trick is, I am wondering if this > is possible completely via SSH through yum or some other trick. I am > completely nuts? > > If this is possible please let me know the steps necessary. Again, I know > that tarring /home and a handful of config files from /etc/ and wiping the > server with a fresh install would be the best option. I also know that > upgrading via CD's would be the next best option. I just want to know if > this is possible and how. > > Thanks Yes, it is possible: "Although upgrades with yum have been tested and work, live upgrades are not recommended by the Fedora Project. If you are not prepared to resolve issues on your own if things break, you should probably use the recommend installation methods instead. With a typical installation, this method usually works well, but it can break third-party packages not available in the Fedora repositories. Please search the mailing list archives first if you run into problems." http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq -Eric From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Thu Aug 10 01:06:34 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:06:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Update from FC2 to FC5 via SSH? In-Reply-To: <20060810004035.M84966@winonacotter.org> References: <20060810004035.M84966@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1155171994.3272.37.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Hi Jim, It _is_ possible (although all of your alternative methods _are_ better methods). If you can get a copy of the RPMS directory loaded onto the machine to upgrade, you can do it all with just rpm commands over an ssh connection. From the new RPMS directory on the server: rpm -Fvh *.rpm This will Freshen (i.e. upgrade packages if and only if they are already installed) the existing installation. Sadly, the rpm -Uvh *.rpm will upgrade or install everything instead of just upgrading the already installed packages. The gotcha is going to be X11->xorg conversion. FC2 used X11 and all FC releases after that went to xorg. The package names changed so the -Fvh may not catch it. In that case, you will need to do a manual rpm removal of the old X11 files and then a manual rpm install of the new xorg packages. On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 19:49 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Okay, I know this is probably not the most recommended option and any > answers come with no warranty :-) > > Anyhow, I just want to know if this is feasible. I have a K12LTSP server > based off of FC2 (I can't remember if that was K12LTSP v4 or v3) and I want > to upgrade it to K12LTSP v5.0.0. Now the trick is, I am wondering if this > is possible completely via SSH through yum or some other trick. I am > completely nuts? > > If this is possible please let me know the steps necessary. Again, I know > that tarring /home and a handful of config files from /etc/ and wiping the > server with a fresh install would be the best option. I also know that > upgrading via CD's would be the next best option. I just want to know if > this is possible and how. > > Thanks > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But I > don't think I'm fully utilizing my local tree as an > update source. The only repo I've successfully > pointed to my local rsync'd tree is the k12ltsp repo. > > > Can I point any of my other repos to my local rsync'd > tree? Put your local mirrors on a FTP or HTTP server, and change your /etc/yum.repo.d/*.repo files to point to them. For example, you have mirror K12LTSP-5.0.0-32bit-all to /var/www/html/K12LTSP-5.0.0-32bit/ on the server www.yourdomain.net. You would edit /etc/yum.repo.d/k12ltsp.repo and change: mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-5.0-$basearch to baseurl=http://www.yourdomain.net/K12LTSP-5.0.0-32bit/ > Also, the above rsync command doesn't seem to pick up > any webmin stuff. Is it possible for me to rsync the > webmin repository? > > Thanks for the help. I added webmin to K12LTSP's rsync: rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::webmin -Eric From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Aug 10 02:28:32 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Redirect "My Documents" folder to home folder In-Reply-To: <20060809164610.B74AE4905FC@ephesus.modevia.com> References: <20060809154313.96474.qmail@web31614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060809164610.B74AE4905FC@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <56697.70.33.151.214.1155176912.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> We roam only my docs and desktop..by using a regedit cmd in our startup.bat which is on the wiki.ltsp.org under winblows integration..as written by Jason Ingalls with a little help from his friends 8~) From moquist at majen.net Thu Aug 10 05:54:11 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:54:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] re: smbldap-installer: multiple /home folders possible? (David Whitmer) (Matt Oquist) In-Reply-To: <20060810011853.A8F4F73121@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060810011853.A8F4F73121@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060810055411.GB16804@majen.net> > Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:53:39 -0400 > From: Matt Oquist > Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer: multiple /home folders possible? > (David Whitmer) Oops - the below solution won't get Winders(TM) clients to map the user home folders from the correct machine; everything in the WAN will be using the PDC. I *think* this problem goes away if you create each site's users while you're on the slave LDAP server (PDC) at that site, but I'm not 100% confident. David - this means that you really would want to set up a slave LDAP server (BDC) if you want Winders(TM) clients to access home folders stored on server B directly. --matt > > Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:43:13 -0700 (PDT) > > From: David Whitmer > > Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer: multiple /home folders possible? > > > If I understand correctly, a primary benefit of this script is that it will automagically configure an Ubuntu or K12LTSP/FC server to be an authentication server for thin clients, standalone Linux computers, and also Windows (such as 2000 or XP Pro). > > Is my understanding correct so far? > > Yes. It tries to automate more-or-less what's described in ch. 6 of > "Samba 3 By Example", which is recommended reading. > > > Whether I go with Ubuntu or K12LTSP (for familiarity) on server C, > > I'm planning on having this server be the smbldap server to > > authenticate everyone. However, I'd like to have students' and > > teachers' Home folders stored on servers A & B (respectively). > > Is this possible? If it is, is it relatively "easy" to setup? > > Yes, it is relatively easy given how difficult it would be otherwise. > > I described this at NELS UNH, and we were having network problems so > I don't remember if we actually got to see it working. (I think we > did.) > > This same sort of scheme would work for having a district-wide WAN > where every user can access her home directory from every site. > > In short, what you do is create an LDAP server for each site and > create subdirectories under /home for each LDAP server and then create > a mesh of NFS mounts of each site to every other throughout your WAN. > > If you have a large WAN you may wish to have a master LDAP server > (PDC) that nobody at all logs into directly, and a slave LDAP server > (BDC) for each site. Otherwise, you may wish to have a master LDAP > server at your largest site and a slave LDAP server (BDC) at each > smaller site. See the smbldap-installer doc site for, um, very > slightly more info about PDC/BDC configuration (which is new and still > needs documentation such as this). > > I'm going to assume you have three sites in the following example, > siteA, siteB, and siteC, with LDAP servers named serverA, serverB, and > serverC. serverA is a master LDAP server (PDC), and serverB and > serverC are slave LDAP servers (BDCs) to serverA. You'll want to do > something like this on each of serverA, serverB, and serverC: > > serverA $ mkdir /home/{siteA,siteB,siteC} > ... > serverB $ mkdir /home/{siteA,siteB,siteC} > ... > serverC $ mkdir /home/{siteA,siteB,siteC} > > serverA /etc/exports: > /home/siteA (rw,sync) > serverA /etc/fstab entries: > serverB:/home/siteB /home/siteB nfs defaults 0 0 > serverC:/home/siteC /home/siteC nfs defaults 0 0 > > serverB /etc/exports: > /home/siteB (rw,no_root_squash,sync) > /home/siteB (rw,sync) > serverB /etc/fstab entries: > serverA:/home/siteA /home/siteA nfs defaults 0 0 > serverC:/home/siteC /home/siteC nfs defaults 0 0 > > serverC /etc/exports: > /home/siteC (rw,no_root_squash,sync) > /home/siteC (rw,sync) > serverC /etc/fstab entries: > serverA:/home/siteA /home/siteA nfs defaults 0 0 > serverB:/home/siteB /home/siteB nfs defaults 0 0 > > Then, when you create your users on serverA (assuming you use the > smbldap-useradd-bulk script included with the smbldap-installer), be > sure you divide them according to their sites and specify the > appropriate home directories. Assuming you create files called > userinfo.start.siteA, userinfo.start.siteB, and userinfo.start.siteC, > you could run commands such as the following: > > serverA /root/smbldap-installer $ cp userinfo.start.siteA userinfo.start > serverA /root/smbldap-installer $ ./smbldap users > ... > What home directory do you want these users to have by default? > (Your answer must contain "USERNAME".) [/home/USERNAME] /home/siteA/USERNAME > ... > serverA /root/smbldap-installer $ cp userinfo.start.siteB userinfo.start > serverA /root/smbldap-installer $ ./smbldap users > ... > What home directory do you want these users to have by default? > (Your answer must contain "USERNAME".) [/home/USERNAME] /home/siteB/USERNAME > ... > serverA /root/smbldap-installer $ cp userinfo.start.siteC userinfo.start > serverA /root/smbldap-installer $ ./smbldap users > ... > What home directory do you want these users to have by default? > (Your answer must contain "USERNAME".) [/home/USERNAME] /home/siteC/USERNAME > ... > serverA /root/smbldap-installer $ > > In your case, David, things are much simpler. :) Don't worry about > master/slaave LDAP servers, just do the NFS exports and /etc/fstab > entries for servers A and B (/home/teachers and /home/students), and > *then* run './smbldap users' each for teachers and students > respectively (assuming you've already created userinfo.start.teachers > and userinfo.start.students). > > Make sure serverB exports /home/teachers directly to serverA with the > no_root_squash option, or serverA won't be able to create the > teachers' home directories when you run './smbldap users'. Make sure > serverB doesn't export /home/teachers to anything *more* than serverA > with the no_root_squash option, or anybody can plug her laptop into > your network and have root access to the teachers' home directories. > (Yikes!) > > I hope this helps and is clearer than mud. If anybody wants to write > it up in the smbldap-installer documentation wiki (linked from > http://majen.net/smbldap/) that would be great! :) > > --matt > > -- > Open Source Software Engineering Consultant > http://majen.net/ > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 189 bytes > Desc: Digital signature > Url : https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/attachments/20060809/16d1db02/attachment.bin > -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From moquist at majen.net Thu Aug 10 06:01:54 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 02:01:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: smbldap-installer reinstall failure (Robert Moskowitz) In-Reply-To: <20060810011853.A8F4F73121@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060810011853.A8F4F73121@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060810060154.GC16804@majen.net> > Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:54:52 -0400 > From: "Robert Moskowitz" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer reinstall failure (Robert Moskowitz) > >> The docs say you can run ./smb-ldap all over and over until you get it > >> right? > > Yes, though perhaps we should have something in there about deleting > > old LDAP databases first. > I thought that was a backup of the old databases in there? I wasn't speaking of the database backups here, I was speaking of the actual databases, [usually] stored in /var/lib/ldap. You should 'rm -rf /var/lib/ldap/*' before you re-run the smbldap-installer. BEWARE! This deletes your current databases! (But no the backups.) > >> I got through a lot of the script then bot a mesage about: > >> /etc/logrotate.d/smbldap-ldif-backups already exists, will overwrite in > >> 10 seconds (CTRL+C to cancel).... > > The right thing for you to do is just wait...I guess the message > > should say that. :-( > But I did, and the script ended. It did not go one to setting > everything up, it seemed. Oh. Maybe it should print something more, I suppose. I expect that it really did finish, though, unless you're *sure* it never said anything about "/etc/cron./smbldap-ldif-backup". > >> Caution: You have /home exported more than once in /etc/exports/ > >> make sure this is what you want. > >> (I understand what I have to do here, but why did this happen?) > > > > You had the script add a '/home (options)' line for you once > > before, and you were adding another export. This doesn't hurt > > anything, but it's good for you to be aware of it. Maybe the script > > should say "Warning" instead of "Caution"; there's a well-established > > convention that "warnings" are workable while "errors" are not. > > > Since these are duplicates, could not the script NOT add the duplicate? 'Cuz you said you wanted it to. I suppose it could ask for confirmation if it's a second time; good idea. > >> /etc/cron.daily/smbldap-ldif-backups already exists, will overwrite in > >> 10 seconds (CTRL+C to cancel).... > >> Well this time I did not touch the keyboard and am waiting for HELP!!! > > Good plan, but you've probably waited long enough now. :) > The script ended at this point. Seemed like prematurely. That is, I > seem to recall the first time through more going on... > Definitely did NOT get asked the smb password. Subsequent runs of the script remember your previous answers (if you're in the same smbldap-installer directory), but you should be prompted for your password every time because I don't store it in the answers file. The password question is long before the ldif-backups questions, though. I'm working on FC5 right now; I'm just about to test everything after a 'yum upgrade', so we'll see how it goes. 8-| --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sure I could tell > them to save everything to their "X drive" but it's easier to show them how > to save it to their "my documents" folder. > > Thanks for the help! > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I do this using kixstart scripting language from kixstart.org. I also use the script to alter things like IE homepage & screensavers etc. You can alter all the locations for things like My Picture, My Doc's , Desktop even using the scripting and you can do it on groups so staff have on location & students other. I use it to setup drive mappings as well If you'd like a copy of my loginscripts let me know and I'll mail them over. Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From moquist at majen.net Thu Aug 10 07:17:14 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 03:17:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer caught up to FC5 In-Reply-To: <20060810011853.A8F4F73121@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060810011853.A8F4F73121@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060810071714.GA20743@majen.net> The latest version of the smbldap-installer works fine for FC5, even after you run 'yum upgrade'. http://majen.net/smbldap/ For anybody who's interested: the entire fix was to stop using the smbldap-tools RPM included with the smbldap-installer and add "smbldap-tools" to the fc5 yum command in distro-data.pl. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I was thinking of a VOIP setup utilizing our totally underutilized Fedora server. Here are the basic requirements: 1. Use phones (not software phones) 2. Voicemail 3. Some kind of "Public Announcement" system Thoughts? Or can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks! Paul From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Aug 10 13:36:11 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:36:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] phone system Message-ID: <20060810063611.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.928d7fab9c.wbe@email.secureserver.net> If you don't want to do this yourself, this group does full implementations, www.netxusa.com. I have bought several SIP phones and they are very helpful. ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us "try to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are" > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] phone system > From: "Paul Lemke" > Date: Thu, August 10, 2006 8:18 am > To: "'Support list for open source software in schools.'" > > > Hi all, > This is not closely related to the list. but I don't know who else > to ask. The school I'm currently helping has about 10 rooms. They want to > put some kind of phone system in place to have a phone in each room. (why > they didn't do this when they built the school boggles my mind) We already > have cat5e ran to each room where the phone would go. > > The question is. are there any open source implementations of a > commercial phone system? Let's just say the bid we got to do the phone > system was a little high for our low budget. So I'd figure I'd ask some > other school's what they do. I was thinking of a VOIP setup utilizing our > totally underutilized Fedora server. > > Here are the basic requirements: > 1. Use phones (not software phones) > 2. Voicemail > 3. Some kind of "Public Announcement" system > > Thoughts? Or can someone point me in the right direction? > > Thanks! > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 10 13:36:41 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:36:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Update from FC2 to FC5 via SSH? In-Reply-To: References: <20060810004035.M84966@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20060810133259.M3507@winonacotter.org> > Yes, it is possible: Thanks Eric and James. I managed to follow Fedora's directions to the point where I completely broke rpm :-( But now I know at least that this is not a viable option for the future. I was just trying to plan ahead for when I am managing 30 or 40 servers at many locations and an easy way to upgrade them all from a single location. I guess I'll just stick to driving, I am sure the point where I have more than a handful to manage is still in a distant future. For any others trying this, don't be fooled, the instructions don't work. It starts with conflicting packages, that turns into dependancy problems, and in my case broken stuff trying to fix it. Thanks again guys for humoring me. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Aug 10 13:41:18 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:41:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] phone system Message-ID: <20060810064118.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.9037c47433.wbe@email.secureserver.net> As a matter of fact, yes! It is called Asterisk, www.asterisk.org. It is an awesome system with a lot of support. You can buy the fxo and fxs cards from the people that developed Asterisk, www.digium.com, for solid support and integration. Give it a look. ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us "try to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are" > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] phone system > From: "Paul Lemke" > Date: Thu, August 10, 2006 8:18 am > To: "'Support list for open source software in schools.'" > > > Hi all, > This is not closely related to the list. but I don't know who else > to ask. The school I'm currently helping has about 10 rooms. They want to > put some kind of phone system in place to have a phone in each room. (why > they didn't do this when they built the school boggles my mind) We already > have cat5e ran to each room where the phone would go. > > The question is. are there any open source implementations of a > commercial phone system? Let's just say the bid we got to do the phone > system was a little high for our low budget. So I'd figure I'd ask some > other school's what they do. I was thinking of a VOIP setup utilizing our > totally underutilized Fedora server. > > Here are the basic requirements: > 1. Use phones (not software phones) > 2. Voicemail > 3. Some kind of "Public Announcement" system > > Thoughts? Or can someone point me in the right direction? > > Thanks! > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lists at paulandmichelle.net Thu Aug 10 13:44:42 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:44:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] phone system In-Reply-To: <20060810064118.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.9037c47433.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20060810134442.B3144490330@ephesus.modevia.com> I'm a total newb with this... but I'm guessing to hook up to our existing hard phone line to make outgoing calls you need to purchase one of these cards? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of rmcdaniel at indata.us Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:41 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] phone system As a matter of fact, yes! It is called Asterisk, www.asterisk.org. It is an awesome system with a lot of support. You can buy the fxo and fxs cards from the people that developed Asterisk, www.digium.com, for solid support and integration. Give it a look. ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us "try to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are" > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] phone system > From: "Paul Lemke" > Date: Thu, August 10, 2006 8:18 am > To: "'Support list for open source software in schools.'" > > > Hi all, > This is not closely related to the list. but I don't know who else > to ask. The school I'm currently helping has about 10 rooms. They want to > put some kind of phone system in place to have a phone in each room. (why > they didn't do this when they built the school boggles my mind) We already > have cat5e ran to each room where the phone would go. > > The question is. are there any open source implementations of a > commercial phone system? Let's just say the bid we got to do the phone > system was a little high for our low budget. So I'd figure I'd ask some > other school's what they do. I was thinking of a VOIP setup utilizing our > totally underutilized Fedora server. > > Here are the basic requirements: > 1. Use phones (not software phones) > 2. Voicemail > 3. Some kind of "Public Announcement" system > > Thoughts? Or can someone point me in the right direction? > > Thanks! > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Aug 10 13:55:14 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:55:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] phone system Message-ID: <20060810065514.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.279e9b7760.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Yes, you will need the fxo card for your incoming 1FB (telephone line). For each outside phone line you will need 1 fxo port. You can get the cards from 1 port to 4 ports. The fxs card is for connecting regular analog telephones to the system. The analog phones are alot less expensive than the digital phones. However, the SIP phones offer so many great options. ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us "try to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are" > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] phone system > From: "Paul Lemke" > Date: Thu, August 10, 2006 8:44 am > To: "'Support list for open source software in schools.'" > > > I'm a total newb with this... but I'm guessing to hook up to our existing > hard phone line to make outgoing calls you need to purchase one of these > cards? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of rmcdaniel at indata.us > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:41 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] phone system > > As a matter of fact, yes! It is called Asterisk, www.asterisk.org. It > is an awesome system with a lot of support. You can buy the fxo and > fxs cards from the people that developed Asterisk, www.digium.com, for > solid support and integration. Give it a look. > > > ron > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > "try to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are" > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: [K12OSN] phone system > > From: "Paul Lemke" > > Date: Thu, August 10, 2006 8:18 am > > To: "'Support list for open source software in schools.'" > > > > > > Hi all, > > This is not closely related to the list. but I don't know who else > > to ask. The school I'm currently helping has about 10 rooms. They want to > > put some kind of phone system in place to have a phone in each room. (why > > they didn't do this when they built the school boggles my mind) We already > > have cat5e ran to each room where the phone would go. > > > > The question is. are there any open source implementations of a > > commercial phone system? Let's just say the bid we got to do the phone > > system was a little high for our low budget. So I'd figure I'd ask some > > other school's what they do. I was thinking of a VOIP setup utilizing our > > totally underutilized Fedora server. > > > > Here are the basic requirements: > > 1. Use phones (not software phones) > > 2. Voicemail > > 3. Some kind of "Public Announcement" system > > > > Thoughts? Or can someone point me in the right direction? > > > > Thanks! > > Paul > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 14:25:45 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] re: smbldap-installer: multiple /home folders possible? (David Whitmer) (Matt Oquist) Message-ID: <20060810142545.64645.qmail@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ---- > From: Matt Oquist > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 1:54:11 AM > Subject: [K12OSN] re: smbldap-installer: multiple /home folders possible? (David Whitmer) (Matt Oquist) > > Oops - the below solution won't get Winders(TM) clients to map the > user home folders from the correct machine; everything in the WAN will > be using the PDC. > > I *think* this problem goes away if you create each site's users while > you're on the slave LDAP server (PDC) at that site, but I'm not 100% > confident. > > David - this means that you really would want to set up a slave LDAP > server (BDC) if you want Winders(TM) clients to access home folders > stored on server B directly. > > --matt > Matt, Will this only be an issue once we have a WAN? We don't have one right now (though we will in one or two years, so this is good for me to know regardless). Assuming your above recommendation also applies to our current situation... Server A contains student home folders, server B the teacher home folders, and server C is the PDC. Could servers A & B each additionally be a BDC? David Whitmer Calvary Schools of Holland, Michigan From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 10 14:37:41 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:37:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored Message-ID: <20060810143437.M42516@winonacotter.org> I just built a new K12LTSP ver 5 server with /home nfs mounted from my /home directory server and am getting the error "$HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored. This prevents the default session and language from being saved. File hsould be owned by user and have 644 permissions. User's $HOME directory must be owned by user and not writable by other users." Currently my /home/username folders are set with 770 permissions. My first thought was to follow directions and set them to 644, but I don't want other users to be able to browse the directories. What do I do to fix this properly? Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 10 14:51:13 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:51:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored In-Reply-To: <20060810143437.M42516@winonacotter.org> References: <20060810143437.M42516@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20060810144825.M9559@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:37:41 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote > I just built a new K12LTSP ver 5 server with /home nfs mounted from > my /home directory server and am getting the error "$HOME/.dmrc file > is being ignored. This prevents the default session and language > from being saved. File hsould be owned by user and have 644 > permissions. User's $HOME directory must be owned by user and not > writable by other users." > > Currently my /home/username folders are set with 770 permissions. > My first thought was to follow directions and set them to 644, but I > don't want other users to be able to browse the directories. By the way, when I click okay to the error the user does log in successfuly, but I image this still affects something. I also can't have everyone clicking OK to an error. Also the users between the two boxes have been synced by simply copying info for all users and groups above 500 in /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, /etc/group, /etc/gshadow files. Also, this IS NOT the box I hosed last night with trying to update via yum over ssh. This is a fresh version 5 K12LTSP install machine. Thanks again -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From trond at maehlum.net Thu Aug 10 14:56:30 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:56:30 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] OT sound with esd in ltsp4.2 Message-ID: <44DB491E.7040807@maehlum.net> I tried to send this some time ago. It didn't reach the list. I try again. Forgive me if this shows up twice. -------- Opprinnelig melding -------- Emne: [OT] sound with esd in ltsp4.2 Dato: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:08:17 +0200 Fra: Trond M?hlum Til: K12OSN at redhat.com I know this isn't K12LTSP spesific, but I think I have seen something about this on the list during my years here. I have a Debian Sarge server with ltsp-4.2. It's set up to play sound with esd. I reuse the settings and my experience from working with this on K12LTSP. Now, only the first user to log onto a terminal gets sound. I _know_ I have seen this before, but I cannot find it. I googled for it and found the question, but no answer. I quote the question below, since the problem is the same: The scenario is this: > > 1) boot thin client > > 2) user1 logs on, and sound works, and then user1 logs off. > > 3) user2 logs on to same thin client, and sound does not work > > 4) user1 log back on and sound still works > > > > So ... a permission issue somewhere, but where? > > > > If I reboot the thin client, then sound works for user2 provided they are > > the > first to log on. This is very repeatable. What file/pipe is getting locked > by > the first user to use sound? Can anyone please help me with this? School's starting, and I thought I had all bugs cleaned out... Best Regards Trond Maehlum -- In a fight between Darth Vader and Batman, the winner would be Chuck Norris. -- Chuck Norris drives an ice cream truck covered in human skulls. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 10 14:57:35 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:57:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored In-Reply-To: <20060810144825.M9559@winonacotter.org> References: <20060810143437.M42516@winonacotter.org> <20060810144825.M9559@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20060810145606.M97368@winonacotter.org> > > my /home directory server and am getting the error "$HOME/.dmrc file > > is being ignored. This prevents the default session and language > > from being saved. File hsould be owned by user and have 644 > > permissions. User's $HOME directory must be owned by user and not > > writable by other users." if I: cd /home/username chmod 644 .dmrc chown username .dmrc chmod 755 /home/username chown username /home/username It fixes the problem. But this allows other users to browse /home/username's folder. I don't want that. Suggestions? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From trond at maehlum.net Thu Aug 10 14:08:17 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:08:17 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] sound with esd in ltsp4.2 Message-ID: <44DB3DD1.6000809@maehlum.net> I know this isn't K12LTSP spesific, but I think I have seen something about this on the list during my years here. I have a Debian Sarge server with ltsp-4.2. It's set up to play sound with esd. I reuse the settings and my experience from working with this on K12LTSP. Now, only the first user to log onto a terminal gets sound. I _know_ I have seen this before, but I cannot find it. I googled for it and found the question, but no answer. I quote the question below, since the problem is the same: The scenario is this: > > 1) boot thin client > > 2) user1 logs on, and sound works, and then user1 logs off. > > 3) user2 logs on to same thin client, and sound does not work > > 4) user1 log back on and sound still works > > > > So ... a permission issue somewhere, but where? > > > > If I reboot the thin client, then sound works for user2 provided they are > > the > first to log on. This is very repeatable. What file/pipe is getting locked > by > the first user to use sound? Can anyone please help me with this? School's starting, and I thought I had all bugs cleaned out... Best Regards Trond Maehlum -- In a fight between Darth Vader and Batman, the winner would be Chuck Norris. From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Aug 10 13:34:18 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:34:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] phone system Message-ID: <20060810063418.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.afcdab2d66.wbe@email.secureserver.net> As a matter of fact, yes! It is called Asterisk, www.asterisk.org. It is an awesome system with a lot of support. You can buy the fxo and fxs cards from the people that developed Asterisk, www.digium.com, for solid support and integration. Give it a look. ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us "try to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are" > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] phone system > From: "Paul Lemke" > Date: Thu, August 10, 2006 8:18 am > To: "'Support list for open source software in schools.'" > > > Hi all, > This is not closely related to the list. but I don't know who else > to ask. The school I'm currently helping has about 10 rooms. They want to > put some kind of phone system in place to have a phone in each room. (why > they didn't do this when they built the school boggles my mind) We already > have cat5e ran to each room where the phone would go. > > The question is. are there any open source implementations of a > commercial phone system? Let's just say the bid we got to do the phone > system was a little high for our low budget. So I'd figure I'd ask some > other school's what they do. I was thinking of a VOIP setup utilizing our > totally underutilized Fedora server. > > Here are the basic requirements: > 1. Use phones (not software phones) > 2. Voicemail > 3. Some kind of "Public Announcement" system > > Thoughts? Or can someone point me in the right direction? > > Thanks! > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Aug 10 15:22:17 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:52:17 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored In-Reply-To: <20060810145606.M97368@winonacotter.org> References: <20060810143437.M42516@winonacotter.org> <20060810144825.M9559@winonacotter.org> <20060810145606.M97368@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <774593a20608100822s58b43a70vbf7c6d992ef3d8a6@mail.gmail.com> On 10/08/06, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > chmod 755 /home/username > chown username /home/username > > It fixes the problem. But this allows other users to browse /home/username's > folder. I don't want that. try 751 inplace of 755? -- Regards, Sudev Barar From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Aug 22 15:23:29 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:23:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Update from FC2 to FC5 via SSH? In-Reply-To: <20060810133259.M3507@winonacotter.org> References: <20060810004035.M84966@winonacotter.org> <20060810133259.M3507@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <44EB2171.20600@paasda.org> mail cd's to the locations and walk them through it over the phone Jim ;) Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> Yes, it is possible: > > Thanks Eric and James. I managed to follow Fedora's directions to the point > where I completely broke rpm :-( But now I know at least that this is not a > viable option for the future. I was just trying to plan ahead for when I am > managing 30 or 40 servers at many locations and an easy way to upgrade them > all from a single location. I guess I'll just stick to driving, I am sure the > point where I have more than a handful to manage is still in a distant future. > > For any others trying this, don't be fooled, the instructions don't work. It > starts with conflicting packages, that turns into dependancy problems, and in > my case broken stuff trying to fix it. > > Thanks again guys for humoring me. > From lists at paulandmichelle.net Thu Aug 10 15:23:37 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:23:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] phone system In-Reply-To: <20060810065514.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.279e9b7760.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20060810152338.B2661490592@ephesus.modevia.com> Any good SIP hard phones you would recommend? Preferably something that can do some kind of public announcement thing. Paul -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of rmcdaniel at indata.us Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:55 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] phone system Yes, you will need the fxo card for your incoming 1FB (telephone line). For each outside phone line you will need 1 fxo port. You can get the cards from 1 port to 4 ports. The fxs card is for connecting regular analog telephones to the system. The analog phones are alot less expensive than the digital phones. However, the SIP phones offer so many great options. ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us "try to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are" > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] phone system > From: "Paul Lemke" > Date: Thu, August 10, 2006 8:44 am > To: "'Support list for open source software in schools.'" > > > I'm a total newb with this... but I'm guessing to hook up to our existing > hard phone line to make outgoing calls you need to purchase one of these > cards? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of rmcdaniel at indata.us > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:41 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] phone system > > As a matter of fact, yes! It is called Asterisk, www.asterisk.org. It > is an awesome system with a lot of support. You can buy the fxo and > fxs cards from the people that developed Asterisk, www.digium.com, for > solid support and integration. Give it a look. > > > ron > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > "try to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are" > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: [K12OSN] phone system > > From: "Paul Lemke" > > Date: Thu, August 10, 2006 8:18 am > > To: "'Support list for open source software in schools.'" > > > > > > Hi all, > > This is not closely related to the list. but I don't know who else > > to ask. The school I'm currently helping has about 10 rooms. They want to > > put some kind of phone system in place to have a phone in each room. (why > > they didn't do this when they built the school boggles my mind) We already > > have cat5e ran to each room where the phone would go. > > > > The question is. are there any open source implementations of a > > commercial phone system? Let's just say the bid we got to do the phone > > system was a little high for our low budget. So I'd figure I'd ask some > > other school's what they do. I was thinking of a VOIP setup utilizing our > > totally underutilized Fedora server. > > > > Here are the basic requirements: > > 1. Use phones (not software phones) > > 2. Voicemail > > 3. Some kind of "Public Announcement" system > > > > Thoughts? Or can someone point me in the right direction? > > > > Thanks! > > Paul > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Aug 22 15:27:32 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:27:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] phone system In-Reply-To: <20060810134442.B3144490330@ephesus.modevia.com> References: <20060810134442.B3144490330@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <44EB2264.4020504@paasda.org> Fonality has a nice easy solution...although they rape you on the server...$1k for the hardware they provide..blah..but their product really is nice...and comes with support if you purchase... They've taken Asterisk and put together a nice interface and they handle all updates on the server if you purchase the support from them. Setting up Asterisk yourself is not rocket science by any means...Asterisk at Home actually is a fairly simple solution for VOIP...and you can use desktops with a free application as the phone...with just a headset/mic combo deal. Or get a SIP phone that bridges the network connection through the phone...but you'll want to put QoS on your network so VoiP traffice has priority. --Huck Paul Lemke wrote: > I'm a total newb with this... but I'm guessing to hook up to our existing > hard phone line to make outgoing calls you need to purchase one of these > cards? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of rmcdaniel at indata.us > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:41 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] phone system > > As a matter of fact, yes! It is called Asterisk, www.asterisk.org. It > is an awesome system with a lot of support. You can buy the fxo and > fxs cards from the people that developed Asterisk, www.digium.com, for > solid support and integration. Give it a look. > > > ron > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > "try to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are" > > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [K12OSN] phone system >> From: "Paul Lemke" >> Date: Thu, August 10, 2006 8:18 am >> To: "'Support list for open source software in schools.'" >> >> >> Hi all, >> This is not closely related to the list. but I don't know who else >> to ask. The school I'm currently helping has about 10 rooms. They want to >> put some kind of phone system in place to have a phone in each room. (why >> they didn't do this when they built the school boggles my mind) We already >> have cat5e ran to each room where the phone would go. >> >> The question is. are there any open source implementations of a >> commercial phone system? Let's just say the bid we got to do the phone >> system was a little high for our low budget. So I'd figure I'd ask some >> other school's what they do. I was thinking of a VOIP setup utilizing our >> totally underutilized Fedora server. >> >> Here are the basic requirements: >> 1. Use phones (not software phones) >> 2. Voicemail >> 3. Some kind of "Public Announcement" system >> >> Thoughts? Or can someone point me in the right direction? >> >> Thanks! >> Paul >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 10 15:34:07 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:34:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored In-Reply-To: <774593a20608100822s58b43a70vbf7c6d992ef3d8a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060810143437.M42516@winonacotter.org> <20060810144825.M9559@winonacotter.org> <20060810145606.M97368@winonacotter.org> <774593a20608100822s58b43a70vbf7c6d992ef3d8a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060810153118.M3288@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:52:17 +0530, Sudev Barar wrote > On 10/08/06, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > chmod 755 /home/username > > chown username /home/username > > > > It fixes the problem. But this allows other users to browse /home/username's > > folder. I don't want that. > > try 751 inplace of 755? Thanks for the suggestion. Doesn't work. However, in my flurry of googling I found this. I modified /etc/gdm/custom.conf and added the following line under the [security] section: RelaxPermissions=1 That fixed it. >From what I read this shouldn't cause me any other problems, it just relaxes GDM so that my directory permissions don't have to match its rules perfectly. I'll post back out if I notice any trouble in the future. Hopefully this helps others who don't want the /home directories browseable by other students. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 10 15:36:21 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:36:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Update from FC2 to FC5 via SSH? In-Reply-To: <44EB2171.20600@paasda.org> References: <20060810004035.M84966@winonacotter.org> <20060810133259.M3507@winonacotter.org> <44EB2171.20600@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20060810153425.M67391@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:23:29 -0700, Huck wrote > mail cd's to the locations and walk them through it over the phone > Jim ;) The drive is actually only about 5 minutes from my house. It isn't a problem for me to go there and install with CD's. I was simply using this as a test bed for the future. As I forsee within the next year having servers that are a few hours away. Now I know that I need to plan to drive to update them. I was hoping for a solution I could script to run from a single location once every summer within the comfort of my home. Turns out that was a pipe dream. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Aug 10 15:44:20 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:44:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Update from FC2 to FC5 via SSH? In-Reply-To: <20060810153425.M67391@winonacotter.org> References: <20060810004035.M84966@winonacotter.org> <20060810133259.M3507@winonacotter.org> <44EB2171.20600@paasda.org> <20060810153425.M67391@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <44DB5454.1050409@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:23:29 -0700, Huck wrote >> mail cd's to the locations and walk them through it over the phone >> Jim ;) > > The drive is actually only about 5 minutes from my house. It isn't a problem > for me to go there and install with CD's. I was simply using this as a test > bed for the future. As I forsee within the next year having servers that are > a few hours away. Now I know that I need to plan to drive to update them. I > was hoping for a solution I could script to run from a single location once > every summer within the comfort of my home. Turns out that was a pipe dream. > It is not a pipe dream, it can just be difficult and risky ;-) If you want to get *real* fancy, you can learn kickstart and do an unattended upgrade from remote. Docs: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/sysadmin-guide/ch-kickstart2.html GUI front-end: system-config-kickstart -Eric From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 10 16:43:07 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:43:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Update from FC2 to FC5 via SSH? In-Reply-To: <44DB5454.1050409@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20060810004035.M84966@winonacotter.org> <20060810133259.M3507@winonacotter.org> <44EB2171.20600@paasda.org> <20060810153425.M67391@winonacotter.org> <44DB5454.1050409@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060810164127.M45558@winonacotter.org> > It is not a pipe dream, it can just be difficult and risky ;-) > > If you want to get *real* fancy, you can learn kickstart and do an > unattended upgrade from remote. > > Docs: > > http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/sysadmin- > guide/ch-kickstart2.html > > GUI front-end: > > system-config-kickstart > > -Eric THanks Eric, I am reading the docs right now. I think this would be awesome to have figured out in the future, it would really help me deploy K12LTSP in other towns where I am not readily available. I can manage everything remotely other than Version upgrades at this point. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 10 16:45:39 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:45:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Update from FC2 to FC5 via SSH? In-Reply-To: <20060810164127.M45558@winonacotter.org> References: <20060810004035.M84966@winonacotter.org> <20060810133259.M3507@winonacotter.org> <44EB2171.20600@paasda.org> <20060810153425.M67391@winonacotter.org> <44DB5454.1050409@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060810164127.M45558@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20060810164350.M54182@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:43:07 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote > > It is not a pipe dream, it can just be difficult and risky ;-) > > > > If you want to get *real* fancy, you can learn kickstart and do an > > unattended upgrade from remote. > > > > Docs: > > > > http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/sysadmin- > > guide/ch-kickstart2.html > > > > GUI front-end: > > > > system-config-kickstart > > > > -Eric > > THanks Eric, I am reading the docs right now. I think this would be > awesome to have figured out in the future, it would really help me > deploy K12LTSP in other towns where I am not readily available. I > can manage everything remotely other than Version upgrades at this point. This all seems fairly simple, except I don't understand how to call on the kickstart file without a local media to boot from and issue the "linux ks=nfs::/" command. I'll keep reading. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Aug 10 16:50:47 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:50:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Update from FC2 to FC5 via SSH? In-Reply-To: <20060810164350.M54182@winonacotter.org> References: <20060810004035.M84966@winonacotter.org> <20060810133259.M3507@winonacotter.org> <44EB2171.20600@paasda.org> <20060810153425.M67391@winonacotter.org> <44DB5454.1050409@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060810164127.M45558@winonacotter.org> <20060810164350.M54182@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <44DB63E7.7050607@mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:43:07 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote >>> It is not a pipe dream, it can just be difficult and risky ;-) >>> >>> If you want to get *real* fancy, you can learn kickstart and do an >>> unattended upgrade from remote. >>> >>> Docs: >>> >>> http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/sysadmin- >>> guide/ch-kickstart2.html >>> >>> GUI front-end: >>> >>> system-config-kickstart >>> >>> -Eric >> THanks Eric, I am reading the docs right now. I think this would be >> awesome to have figured out in the future, it would really help me >> deploy K12LTSP in other towns where I am not readily available. I >> can manage everything remotely other than Version upgrades at this point. > > This all seems fairly simple, except I don't understand how to call on the > kickstart file without a local media to boot from and issue the "linux > ks=nfs::/" command. PXE boot? You'd have to have the boot order set properly from the console before doing this. http://www.stanford.edu/~alfw/PXE-Kickstart/PXE-Kickstart.html -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From jritchie at bible.edu Thu Aug 10 16:53:30 2006 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Ritchie, Josiah S.) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:53:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] phone system Message-ID: <6EB812DA48A19740BE7CD3BC07C792FA45565B@rebekah.bible.edu> I have a 66-block coming into a new extension campus. What kind of card would I need to receive that sort of traffic since they aren't broken up into physically separate lines? I could pay them extra to break it down, but it seems rather silly to do so. I agree that fonality, while having a nice system, seems awfully expensive as you add more and more to the quote. I was thinking about just pushing this out to a contractor, but I'm kinda interested in VoIP and this small size might be a good start. Thanks, JSR/ Josiah S. Ritchie System and Database Administrator P: 301-552-1400 ext 1241 | F: 301-552-2775 > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Huck > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:28 AM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] phone system > > Fonality has a nice easy solution...although they rape you on the > server...$1k for the hardware they provide..blah..but their product > really is nice...and comes with support if you purchase... > > They've taken Asterisk and put together a nice interface and they handle > all updates on the server if you purchase the support from them. > > Setting up Asterisk yourself is not rocket science by any > means...Asterisk at Home actually is a fairly simple solution for > VOIP...and you can use desktops with a free application as the > phone...with just a headset/mic combo deal. Or get a SIP phone that > bridges the network connection through the phone...but you'll want to > put QoS on your network so VoiP traffice has priority. > > --Huck From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 10 16:54:49 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:54:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Update from FC2 to FC5 via SSH? In-Reply-To: <44DB63E7.7050607@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20060810004035.M84966@winonacotter.org> <20060810133259.M3507@winonacotter.org> <44EB2171.20600@paasda.org> <20060810153425.M67391@winonacotter.org> <44DB5454.1050409@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060810164127.M45558@winonacotter.org> <20060810164350.M54182@winonacotter.org> <44DB63E7.7050607@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060810165224.M12900@winonacotter.org> > PXE boot? You'd have to have the boot order set properly from the > console before doing this. > > http://www.stanford.edu/~alfw/PXE-Kickstart/PXE-Kickstart.html I had thought about that, but if I am remote, how would I keep it from booting back to PXE again after reboot? I think that would work, but only with onsite interaction to switch to PXE booting and back after install. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Aug 10 17:02:10 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:02:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Update from FC2 to FC5 via SSH? In-Reply-To: <20060810165224.M12900@winonacotter.org> References: <20060810004035.M84966@winonacotter.org> <20060810133259.M3507@winonacotter.org> <44EB2171.20600@paasda.org> <20060810153425.M67391@winonacotter.org> <44DB5454.1050409@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060810164127.M45558@winonacotter.org> <20060810164350.M54182@winonacotter.org> <44DB63E7.7050607@mesd.k12.or.us> <20060810165224.M12900@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <44DB6692.5010406@mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> PXE boot? You'd have to have the boot order set properly from the >> console before doing this. >> >> http://www.stanford.edu/~alfw/PXE-Kickstart/PXE-Kickstart.html > > I had thought about that, but if I am remote, how would I keep it from booting > back to PXE again after reboot? > > I think that would work, but only with onsite interaction to switch to PXE > booting and back after install. Just comment out the tftpboot statement from your DHCP server _before_ you reboot, and it should fail over to the next boot item. But yeah, this is why remote upgrades are hard and why high-end UNIX machines often have a serial console that lets you be in the boot loader remotely. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Aug 10 17:03:22 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:03:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Update from FC2 to FC5 via SSH? In-Reply-To: <44DB63E7.7050607@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20060810004035.M84966@winonacotter.org> <20060810133259.M3507@winonacotter.org> <44EB2171.20600@paasda.org> <20060810153425.M67391@winonacotter.org> <44DB5454.1050409@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060810164127.M45558@winonacotter.org> <20060810164350.M54182@winonacotter.org> <44DB63E7.7050607@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44DB66DA.5020204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Dan Young wrote: > Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:43:07 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote >>>> It is not a pipe dream, it can just be difficult and risky ;-) >>>> >>>> If you want to get *real* fancy, you can learn kickstart and do an >>>> unattended upgrade from remote. >>>> >>>> Docs: >>>> >>>> http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/sysadmin- >>>> guide/ch-kickstart2.html >>>> >>>> GUI front-end: >>>> >>>> system-config-kickstart >>>> >>>> -Eric >>> THanks Eric, I am reading the docs right now. I think this would be >>> awesome to have figured out in the future, it would really help me >>> deploy K12LTSP in other towns where I am not readily available. I >>> can manage everything remotely other than Version upgrades at this point. >> This all seems fairly simple, except I don't understand how to call on the >> kickstart file without a local media to boot from and issue the "linux >> ks=nfs::/" command. > > PXE boot? You'd have to have the boot order set properly from the > console before doing this. > > http://www.stanford.edu/~alfw/PXE-Kickstart/PXE-Kickstart.html > What I've done is copy the pxe-boot files (in the /images/pxeboot/ dir on CD1) to /boot/ and add them to /etc/grub.conf and set it as the default. The server will then boot off the installer kernel & initrd... In theory, I have not tested this part, the kickstart upgrade process will install a new kernel and set that to be the default. So when the box reboots, you can log back in and remove the installer kernel from /etc/grub.conf. All of this is "non-trivial", but should be easy to replicate once you understand how all of the pieces fit together. -Eric From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Aug 22 17:30:08 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:30:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] phone system In-Reply-To: <6EB812DA48A19740BE7CD3BC07C792FA45565B@rebekah.bible.edu> References: <6EB812DA48A19740BE7CD3BC07C792FA45565B@rebekah.bible.edu> Message-ID: <44EB3F20.7060904@paasda.org> 66-block of phone pairs? or 66 unique ip's? digium makes a card that handles 24 pair of POTS line.. and full T1's...etc.. fonality's system, it turnkey...the only advantage I see... you can get a much beefier server with you'll need for more than 5 clients(their base $999 system is good for about 5 concurrent)... like I said in the earlier post...Asterisk at Home is a simple solution..and you can customize it from there...the web interface makes configuration of trunks/extensions and all that jazz very easy.. --Huck Ritchie, Josiah S. wrote: > I have a 66-block coming into a new extension campus. What kind of card > would I need to receive that sort of traffic since they aren't broken up > into physically separate lines? I could pay them extra to break it down, > but it seems rather silly to do so. > > I agree that fonality, while having a nice system, seems awfully > expensive as you add more and more to the quote. I was thinking about > just pushing this out to a contractor, but I'm kinda interested in VoIP > and this small size might be a good start. > > Thanks, > JSR/ > > Josiah S. Ritchie > System and Database Administrator > P: 301-552-1400 ext 1241 | F: 301-552-2775 > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >> Behalf Of Huck >> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:28 AM >> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] phone system >> >> Fonality has a nice easy solution...although they rape you on the >> server...$1k for the hardware they provide..blah..but their product >> really is nice...and comes with support if you purchase... >> >> They've taken Asterisk and put together a nice interface and they > handle >> all updates on the server if you purchase the support from them. >> >> Setting up Asterisk yourself is not rocket science by any >> means...Asterisk at Home actually is a fairly simple solution for >> VOIP...and you can use desktops with a free application as the >> phone...with just a headset/mic combo deal. Or get a SIP phone that >> bridges the network connection through the phone...but you'll want to >> put QoS on your network so VoiP traffice has priority. >> >> --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From henryhartley at westat.com Thu Aug 10 17:36:11 2006 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:36:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] phone system In-Reply-To: <44EB3F20.7060904@paasda.org> Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320DB26@MAILBE2.westat.com> Huck wrote: >> >> 66-block of phone pairs? or 66 unique ip's? >> digium makes a card that handles 24 pair of POTS line.. >> and full T1's...etc.. I suspect this is what he meant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/66_block -- Henry From big at santaz.dk Thu Aug 10 17:38:07 2006 From: big at santaz.dk (Jesper Berth) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:38:07 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Pam_ldap.secret Message-ID: <44DB6EFF.30500@santaz.dk> Hi there I have set up a sambaldap server with Ubuntu, the server is up and running, and i am now trying to get my Ubuntu client to authenticate with the ldap. I am running Ubuntu 6.06 on both mashines On the client i have run the ./smbldap ubuntuclient but when i try to login i get this line in my /var/log/messages Aug 9 21:41:57 localhost sudo: pam_ldap: could not open secret file /etc/pam_ldap.secret (No such file or directory) i have added to lines in the /etc/ldap/ldap.conf host 10.0.0.65 BASE dc=baunehoej,dc=dk what am i missing ?? Cheers Jesper From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 10 17:38:21 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:38:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Update from FC2 to FC5 via SSH? In-Reply-To: <44DB66DA.5020204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20060810004035.M84966@winonacotter.org> <20060810133259.M3507@winonacotter.org> <44EB2171.20600@paasda.org> <20060810153425.M67391@winonacotter.org> <44DB5454.1050409@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060810164127.M45558@winonacotter.org> <20060810164350.M54182@winonacotter.org> <44DB63E7.7050607@mesd.k12.or.us> <44DB66DA.5020204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060810173407.M41545@winonacotter.org> > What I've done is copy the pxe-boot files (in the /images/pxeboot/ > dir on CD1) to /boot/ and add them to /etc/grub.conf and set it as > the default. The server will then boot off the installer kernel & initrd... > > In theory, I have not tested this part, the kickstart upgrade process > will install a new kernel and set that to be the default. So when the > box reboots, you can log back in and remove the installer kernel from > /etc/grub.conf. > > All of this is "non-trivial", but should be easy to replicate once > you understand how all of the pieces fit together. Thanks Eric and Dan. I will have to build myself a big sandbox when I have a little more time and test all of this out. As of now I should probably just update this server and quit messing around :-) But I think this would be awesome for the future. Only hangup I see is storing the iso images on a separate server. I wonder if I could keep the iso's on a separate internal drive and install from there. That would maybe eliminate the need to keep up an entirely separate server. Maybe I could rsync the iso's on /iso_storage which would be a 10GB internal IDE drive or something, keep the ks.cfg file under this directory, then call on those ISO's and ks file locally on reboot. Hmmm, a lot to think about. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Thu Aug 10 17:48:51 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:48:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Update from FC2 to FC5 via SSH? In-Reply-To: <20060810153425.M67391@winonacotter.org> References: <20060810004035.M84966@winonacotter.org> <20060810133259.M3507@winonacotter.org> <44EB2171.20600@paasda.org> <20060810153425.M67391@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1155232131.30135.93.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 10:36 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:23:29 -0700, Huck wrote > > mail cd's to the locations and walk them through it over the phone > > Jim ;) > > The drive is actually only about 5 minutes from my house. It isn't a problem > for me to go there and install with CD's. I was simply using this as a test > bed for the future. As I forsee within the next year having servers that are > a few hours away. Now I know that I need to plan to drive to update them. I > was hoping for a solution I could script to run from a single location once > every summer within the comfort of my home. Turns out that was a pipe dream. There is an intermediate between talking someone through an install and doing it full-auto remotely if you have network connectivity. Download the isos somewhere at the location where they are nfs-exported or on a hard drive partition you don't need to format on the system in question. Have someone on site burn a copy of the 1st CD or mail them a copy. Have them boot the machine with the CD and type the appropriate command at the boot prompt, including 'askmethod' if using NFS, and vncconnect= with the IP address of the vncviewer you have started in listen mode. Then you do the rest from the comfort of your favorite chair. You may have to do some tricks with ssh tunnels if the networks have private addresses at both ends and it can be messy if the box you are installing is your only dhcp server for the location. I normally do major changes for remote sites on swappable drives that someone else can change out, but if I had to do a lot of them live over the network with unskilled on-site help I'd probably build a vmware image of a k12ltsp server that could be run on any available windows or linux box to provide the amenities of DHCP, NFS and ssh while the main server was being rebuilt. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From JRuff at Sihope.com Thu Aug 10 17:41:13 2006 From: JRuff at Sihope.com (John G. Ruff) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:41:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] phone system In-Reply-To: <44EB3F20.7060904@paasda.org> References: <6EB812DA48A19740BE7CD3BC07C792FA45565B@rebekah.bible.edu> <44EB3F20.7060904@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1155231673.16041.217.camel@jr.updates4you.com> It would appear that the clock on your email client system is 10 days fast. :-) jr On Tue, 2006-08-22 at 10:30 -0700, Huck wrote: > 66-block of phone pairs? or 66 unique ip's? > digium makes a card that handles 24 pair of POTS line.. > and full T1's...etc.. > > fonality's system, it turnkey...the only advantage I see... > you can get a much beefier server with you'll need for more than 5 > clients(their base $999 system is good for about 5 concurrent)... > like I said in the earlier post...Asterisk at Home is a simple > solution..and you can customize it from there...the web interface makes > configuration of trunks/extensions and all that jazz very easy.. > > --Huck > > Ritchie, Josiah S. wrote: > > I have a 66-block coming into a new extension campus. What kind of card > > would I need to receive that sort of traffic since they aren't broken up > > into physically separate lines? I could pay them extra to break it down, > > but it seems rather silly to do so. > > > > I agree that fonality, while having a nice system, seems awfully > > expensive as you add more and more to the quote. I was thinking about > > just pushing this out to a contractor, but I'm kinda interested in VoIP > > and this small size might be a good start. > > > > Thanks, > > JSR/ > > > > Josiah S. Ritchie > > System and Database Administrator > > P: 301-552-1400 ext 1241 | F: 301-552-2775 > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > >> Behalf Of Huck > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:28 AM > >> To: Support list for open source software in schools. > >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] phone system > >> > >> Fonality has a nice easy solution...although they rape you on the > >> server...$1k for the hardware they provide..blah..but their product > >> really is nice...and comes with support if you purchase... > >> > >> They've taken Asterisk and put together a nice interface and they > > handle > >> all updates on the server if you purchase the support from them. > >> > >> Setting up Asterisk yourself is not rocket science by any > >> means...Asterisk at Home actually is a fairly simple solution for > >> VOIP...and you can use desktops with a free application as the > >> phone...with just a headset/mic combo deal. Or get a SIP phone that > >> bridges the network connection through the phone...but you'll want to > >> put QoS on your network so VoiP traffice has priority. > >> > >> --Huck > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Aug 10 19:45:56 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:45:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fw: K12LTSP chroot Install Notes In-Reply-To: <44DA4EE8.5040305@redhat.com> References: <44DA4EE8.5040305@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060810194423.M37522@winonacotter.org> FYI - This was posted on the Fedora-education list yesterday afternoon. Currently there has been no response to it. If anyone on this list would care to respond it may be a good idea. Sounds like this could be a good thing, I would hate to see it die because it was posted to a list that does not have much of a subscriber base. ---------- Forwarded Message ----------- From: Warren Togami To: Fedora Education Initiative Sent: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:08:56 -0400 Subject: K12LTSP chroot Install Notes Today we had a short conference call with Eric Harrison, Jim McQuillan, Scott Balneaves, Bill Nottingham and Greg DeKoenigsburg talking about what it will take to integrate LTSP to be an official part of Fedora. After we have the modifications to a Fedora chroot ready for booting K12LTSP thin clients, we will need to make wrap it into a convenient installer. I just talked with Jeremy Katz, head of our Anaconda installer team. He confirmed that it would be unacceptable for chroots to be built during initial install of the host system itself. It is best to do such activity in the actual running system where things can be more easily developed and debugged. He suggested that Anaconda in chroot mode is the best way to do this. It could be wrapped into either a firstboot module or a tool to run from the menu. K12LTSP chroot Installs ======================= 1) On any Fedora install, you can use yum groupinstall to pull in the K12LTSP infrastructure. *OR* Install from the K12LTSP distro cut which has the base system plus K12LTSP by default. The package that contains K12LTSP thin client image builder has both a GTK+ app, and module in /usr/share/firstboot/modules which runs anaconda with the desired options. 2) During firstboot it runs as one of the later steps. Optionally you can run it from the menu. 3) K12LTSP Thin Client image builder can install the chroot from any RPM packages. This means it could prompt for the K12LTSP or specific CD's containing what it needs, or network. 4) Post-install it flips whatever bits to make it into read-only init mode. Anaconda chroot mode ==================== hg clone http://hg.fedoraproject.org/hg/fedora/livecd--devel Fedora's LiveCD builder uses anaconda in chroot mode to build the image before it is made into an ISO. This is a good example to use for the K12LTSP thin client image builder. How to apply updates to chroot? =============================== We would need some kind of obvious (automatic?) thin client chroot updater. It would use existing tools, yum based. We need to balance automation for ease while avoiding breakage of user systems. How is this currently handled in Edubuntu? Warren Togami wtogami at redhat.com _______________________________________________ Fedora-education-list mailing list Fedora-education-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-education-list -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. ------- End of Forwarded Message ------- Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From karisue at gmail.com Thu Aug 10 19:55:46 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:55:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Centre upgrade Message-ID: I see that Centre 2.6 has been released -- do you have to totally reinstall, or is there an upgrade path? Thanks, kari -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Thu Aug 10 20:12:46 2006 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:12:46 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP v5.0 (64bit) Client bootup problem In-Reply-To: <1155231673.16041.217.camel@jr.updates4you.com> Message-ID: <20060810101246.2322dd83@trunks> I cant get some of my LTSP clients to boot via PXE on K12LTSP V5.0 64bit (Final). The clients show BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0! after it shows "Running dhcpcd on port 67". Below are the screenshots of the bootup process. Im trying to get this server up before school starts (Monday). eeek! Btw- it works fine on the older 4.x.x distros. Any ideas? Server Specs: AMD AM2 4600+ 64x2 Corsair 2Gb (800DDR2) MSI K9N SLI Platinum (Built in dual 10/100/100 & SATA2) Raptor 150GB 10K 16MB SATA hdd Clients: All 15 Clients are the same. (6 of them wont boot and gives a BUG: Error) Nic- 3Com 3c905C-TXM (PXE) ==Screen Shots of Boot== Bootup: http://tinyurl.com/lgb49 Uncompressing Linux (DHCP...Load vmlinuz.ltsp....Uncompressing Linux) http://tinyurl.com/gvqc8 Running dhcpcd on Port 67 http://tinyurl.com/qoj7h Error Message after Running dhcpcd on port 67. BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!... http://tinyurl.com/fxywd ==Server== /var/log/messages Aug 10 06:13:53 server in.tftpd[2847]: tftp: client does not accept options From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Thu Aug 10 20:37:45 2006 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:37:45 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] System Wide- Mozilla Proxy setting (all.js) In-Reply-To: <20060810101246.2322dd83@trunks> Message-ID: <20060810103745.dd464106@trunks> Just wondering what everyone is doing for editing system wide proxy setting for Firefox? I noticed there are two all.js on V5.0 (64bit). Which one should I edit? I've use to edit /usr/lib/firefox1.x.x/greprefs/all.js in my other servers but everytime a new firefox version comes out I would have to re-enter the proxy settings. Any pointers in doing this? Thanks! [root at server log]# locate all.js /usr/lib/firefox-1.5.0.4/greprefs/all.js /usr/lib/firefox-1.5.0.4/greprefs/xpinstall.js /usr/lib64/mozilla-1.7.13/greprefs/all.js /usr/lib64/mozilla-1.7.13/greprefs/xpinstall.js =============================== =Here's the settings I modify.= =============================== pref("network.hosts.nntp_server", "news.mozilla.org"); pref("permissions.default.image", 1); // 1-Accept, 2-Deny, 3-dontAcceptForeign pref("network.image.warnAboutImages", false); pref("network.proxy.autoconfig_url", "192.168.2.254"); pref("network.proxy.type", 1); pref("network.proxy.ftp", "192.168.2.254"); pref("network.proxy.ftp_port", 8080); pref("network.proxy.gopher", "192.168.2.254"); pref("network.proxy.gopher_port", 8080); pref("network.proxy.http", "192.168.2.254"); pref("network.proxy.http_port", 8080); pref("network.proxy.ssl", "192.168.2.254"); pref("network.proxy.ssl_port", 8080); pref("network.proxy.socks", "192.168.2.254"); pref("network.proxy.socks_port", 8080); pref("network.proxy.socks_version", 5); pref("network.proxy.socks_remote_dns", false); pref("network.proxy.no_proxies_on", "localhost, 127.0.0.1"); From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Thu Aug 10 21:27:25 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:27:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Update from FC2 to FC5 via SSH? In-Reply-To: <20060810173407.M41545@winonacotter.org> References: <20060810004035.M84966@winonacotter.org> <20060810133259.M3507@winonacotter.org> <44EB2171.20600@paasda.org> <20060810153425.M67391@winonacotter.org> <44DB5454.1050409@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060810164127.M45558@winonacotter.org> <20060810164350.M54182@winonacotter.org> <44DB63E7.7050607@mesd.k12.or.us> <44DB66DA.5020204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060810173407.M41545@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <44DBA4BD.8080006@saskforestcentre.ca> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> What I've done is copy the pxe-boot files (in the /images/pxeboot/ >> dir on CD1) to /boot/ and add them to /etc/grub.conf and set it as >> the default. The server will then boot off the installer kernel & initrd... >> >> In theory, I have not tested this part, the kickstart upgrade process >> will install a new kernel and set that to be the default. So when the >> box reboots, you can log back in and remove the installer kernel from >> /etc/grub.conf. >> >> All of this is "non-trivial", but should be easy to replicate once >> you understand how all of the pieces fit together. >> > > Thanks Eric and Dan. I will have to build myself a big sandbox when I have a > little more time and test all of this out. As of now I should probably just > update this server and quit messing around :-) > > But I think this would be awesome for the future. Only hangup I see is > storing the iso images on a separate server. I wonder if I could keep the > iso's on a separate internal drive and install from there. That would maybe > eliminate the need to keep up an entirely separate server. Maybe I could > rsync the iso's on /iso_storage which would be a 10GB internal IDE drive or > something, keep the ks.cfg file under this directory, then call on those ISO's > and ks file locally on reboot. Hmmm, a lot to think about. > > If you are looking at maintaining a collection of servers (which you presumably want to be practically identical, with the exception of a few files), why not have a sandbox master, which is in need of an upgrade, and then check the entire /usr /var /etc /and_so_on trees into a subversion server. Do the upgrade, figure out the issues, then check the upgraded version in. On the remote end, you could then log everybody out, and do a checkout. There would be a few issues with config files that need names, but it wouldn't be too bad. I guess you'd want to look out for things like ssh keys and the like, too. Anyway, it's an idea for keeping a collection of servers together. Angus Carr. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 10 21:42:50 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:42:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] phone system In-Reply-To: <1155231673.16041.217.camel@jr.updates4you.com> References: <6EB812DA48A19740BE7CD3BC07C792FA45565B@rebekah.bible.edu> <44EB3F20.7060904@paasda.org> <1155231673.16041.217.camel@jr.updates4you.com> Message-ID: <44DBA85A.1070606@paasda.org> yeah..I was testing some grading software that required my computer to be in a valid date range for ACTUAL school days...*grumble* thanks for the reminder ;) --Huck John G. Ruff wrote: > It would appear that the clock on your email client system is 10 days > fast. :-) > > jr > > > On Tue, 2006-08-22 at 10:30 -0700, Huck wrote: >> 66-block of phone pairs? or 66 unique ip's? >> digium makes a card that handles 24 pair of POTS line.. >> and full T1's...etc.. >> >> fonality's system, it turnkey...the only advantage I see... >> you can get a much beefier server with you'll need for more than 5 >> clients(their base $999 system is good for about 5 concurrent)... >> like I said in the earlier post...Asterisk at Home is a simple >> solution..and you can customize it from there...the web interface makes >> configuration of trunks/extensions and all that jazz very easy.. >> >> --Huck >> >> Ritchie, Josiah S. wrote: >>> I have a 66-block coming into a new extension campus. What kind of card >>> would I need to receive that sort of traffic since they aren't broken up >>> into physically separate lines? I could pay them extra to break it down, >>> but it seems rather silly to do so. >>> >>> I agree that fonality, while having a nice system, seems awfully >>> expensive as you add more and more to the quote. I was thinking about >>> just pushing this out to a contractor, but I'm kinda interested in VoIP >>> and this small size might be a good start. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> JSR/ >>> >>> Josiah S. Ritchie >>> System and Database Administrator >>> P: 301-552-1400 ext 1241 | F: 301-552-2775 >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >>>> Behalf Of Huck >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:28 AM >>>> To: Support list for open source software in schools. >>>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] phone system >>>> >>>> Fonality has a nice easy solution...although they rape you on the >>>> server...$1k for the hardware they provide..blah..but their product >>>> really is nice...and comes with support if you purchase... >>>> >>>> They've taken Asterisk and put together a nice interface and they >>> handle >>>> all updates on the server if you purchase the support from them. >>>> >>>> Setting up Asterisk yourself is not rocket science by any >>>> means...Asterisk at Home actually is a fairly simple solution for >>>> VOIP...and you can use desktops with a free application as the >>>> phone...with just a headset/mic combo deal. Or get a SIP phone that >>>> bridges the network connection through the phone...but you'll want to >>>> put QoS on your network so VoiP traffice has priority. >>>> >>>> --Huck >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From tkathan at charter.net Fri Aug 11 00:35:55 2006 From: tkathan at charter.net (Jim Kathan) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:35:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] how do I change default LTSP logo at login screen? Message-ID: <001201c6bcde$1bde6880$4000a8c0@themm> Yes, dumb question, and very old, but, how do I change the default logo picture for the LTSP client logins? I tried both jpg and bmp, and neither worked. Do they have to be a certain size? I was also wondering if I have to place the source picture in a certain folder that's accessible by all upon boot? Please respond tonight because I have to get the new logo in place at school tomorrow; we have no internet there yet. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 00:42:03 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 06:12:03 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] how do I change default LTSP logo at login screen? In-Reply-To: <001201c6bcde$1bde6880$4000a8c0@themm> References: <001201c6bcde$1bde6880$4000a8c0@themm> Message-ID: <774593a20608101742q562b513fuf00da7e9179f3abb@mail.gmail.com> On 11/08/06, Jim Kathan wrote: > Yes, dumb question, and very old, but, how do I change the default logo > picture for the LTSP client logins? > Since you have not written steps undertaken by you I am startig from begining. The file to be edited is /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf First the remote login has to be changed to graphical Second the name of file has to be edited It does not matter both jpg and png will show up. However they should have proper permissions. Best is to keep the picture file in directory /usr/share/pixmaps with permisson of 644. HTH -- Regards, Sudev Barar From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Fri Aug 11 02:04:16 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:04:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] phone system In-Reply-To: <20060810131804.42AFD4900EF@ephesus.modevia.com> References: <20060810131804.42AFD4900EF@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <20060810220416.008546b2@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:18:03 -0500 "Paul Lemke" wrote: > Hi all, > This is not closely related to the list. but I don't know who > else > to ask. The school I'm currently helping has about 10 rooms. They want > to put some kind of phone system in place to have a phone in each > room. (why they didn't do this when they built the school boggles my > mind) We already have cat5e ran to each room where the phone would go. > > > The question is. are there any open source implementations of a > commercial phone system? Let's just say the bid we got to do the phone > system was a little high for our low budget. So I'd figure I'd ask > some other school's what they do. I was thinking of a VOIP setup > utilizing our totally underutilized Fedora server. > > Here are the basic requirements: > 1. Use phones (not software phones) > 2. Voicemail > 3. Some kind of "Public Announcement" system > > Thoughts? Or can someone point me in the right direction? > > Thanks! > Paul > For a "simple approach" >From my understanding you can use the Cat5e cables for more then just networking. Depending on where the other end of the lines come out (and assuming the lines are not already being used for your network), you could just use the Cat5e lines like regular phone lines. You would have to make your own patch cables, but the tools (and the caps) are pretty cheap. Just my own $0.02 - and it might do the trick. -- http://gentgeen.homelinux.org ############################################################# Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From jam at mcquil.com Fri Aug 11 02:36:34 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:36:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fw: K12LTSP chroot Install Notes In-Reply-To: <20060810194423.M37522@winonacotter.org> References: <44DA4EE8.5040305@redhat.com> <20060810194423.M37522@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <44DBED32.1010206@McQuil.com> Jim, This thread has a very low chance of dying. I think it is more meant as a statement of the direction that Fedora is thinking about taking, rather than a question. In september, several of us will be getting together to help get LTSP integrated into Fedora in a similar manner to how Ubuntu has done it. Also, LTSP.org will be shifting more towards the way Ubuntu is doing it. We'll have lots of info available after our face-to-face hack fest. Stay tuned, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Jim Kronebusch wrote: > FYI - This was posted on the Fedora-education list yesterday afternoon. > Currently there has been no response to it. If anyone on this list would care > to respond it may be a good idea. Sounds like this could be a good thing, I > would hate to see it die because it was posted to a list that does not have > much of a subscriber base. > > ---------- Forwarded Message ----------- > From: Warren Togami > To: Fedora Education Initiative > Sent: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:08:56 -0400 > Subject: K12LTSP chroot Install Notes > > Today we had a short conference call with Eric Harrison, Jim McQuillan, > Scott Balneaves, Bill Nottingham and Greg DeKoenigsburg talking about > what it will take to integrate LTSP to be an official part of Fedora. > > After we have the modifications to a Fedora chroot ready for booting > K12LTSP thin clients, we will need to make wrap it into a convenient > installer. > > I just talked with Jeremy Katz, head of our Anaconda installer team. > > He confirmed that it would be unacceptable for chroots to be built > during initial install of the host system itself. It is best to do such > activity in the actual running system where things can be more easily > developed and debugged. He suggested that Anaconda in chroot mode is > the best way to do this. It could be wrapped into either a firstboot > module or a tool to run from the menu. > > K12LTSP chroot Installs > ======================= > 1) On any Fedora install, you can use yum groupinstall to pull in the > K12LTSP infrastructure. *OR* Install from the K12LTSP distro cut which > has the base system plus K12LTSP by default. > > The package that contains K12LTSP thin client image builder has both a > GTK+ app, and module in /usr/share/firstboot/modules which runs anaconda > with the desired options. > > 2) During firstboot it runs as one of the later steps. Optionally you > can run it from the menu. > > 3) K12LTSP Thin Client image builder can install the chroot from any RPM > packages. This means it could prompt for the K12LTSP or specific CD's > containing what it needs, or network. > > 4) Post-install it flips whatever bits to make it into read-only init mode. > > Anaconda chroot mode > ==================== > hg clone http://hg.fedoraproject.org/hg/fedora/livecd--devel > > Fedora's LiveCD builder uses anaconda in chroot mode to build the image > before it is made into an ISO. This is a good example to use for the > K12LTSP thin client image builder. > > How to apply updates to chroot? > =============================== > We would need some kind of obvious (automatic?) thin client chroot > updater. It would use existing tools, yum based. > > We need to balance automation for ease while avoiding breakage of user > systems. How is this currently handled in Edubuntu? > > Warren Togami > wtogami at redhat.com > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-education-list mailing list > Fedora-education-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-education-list > > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Aug 11 06:35:32 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:35:32 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] System Wide- Mozilla Proxy setting (all.js) In-Reply-To: <20060810103745.dd464106@trunks> References: <20060810103745.dd464106@trunks> Message-ID: <44DC2534.9030506@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> I've just started using the CCK wizard (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2553/) it creates an extension with all the setting in you want. If you install it as a global extension it will apply to all users. Brian Wilson Chan wrote: > Just wondering what everyone is doing for editing system wide proxy setting for Firefox? I noticed there are two all.js on V5.0 (64bit). Which one should I edit? > I've use to edit /usr/lib/firefox1.x.x/greprefs/all.js in my other servers but everytime a new firefox version comes out I would have to re-enter the proxy settings. Any pointers in doing this? Thanks! > > [root at server log]# locate all.js > /usr/lib/firefox-1.5.0.4/greprefs/all.js > /usr/lib/firefox-1.5.0.4/greprefs/xpinstall.js > /usr/lib64/mozilla-1.7.13/greprefs/all.js > /usr/lib64/mozilla-1.7.13/greprefs/xpinstall.js > > =============================== > =Here's the settings I modify.= > =============================== > pref("network.hosts.nntp_server", "news.mozilla.org"); > pref("permissions.default.image", 1); // 1-Accept, 2-Deny, 3-dontAcceptForeign > pref("network.image.warnAboutImages", false); > pref("network.proxy.autoconfig_url", "192.168.2.254"); > pref("network.proxy.type", 1); > pref("network.proxy.ftp", "192.168.2.254"); > pref("network.proxy.ftp_port", 8080); > pref("network.proxy.gopher", "192.168.2.254"); > pref("network.proxy.gopher_port", 8080); > pref("network.proxy.http", "192.168.2.254"); > pref("network.proxy.http_port", 8080); > pref("network.proxy.ssl", "192.168.2.254"); > pref("network.proxy.ssl_port", 8080); > pref("network.proxy.socks", "192.168.2.254"); > pref("network.proxy.socks_port", 8080); > pref("network.proxy.socks_version", 5); > pref("network.proxy.socks_remote_dns", false); > pref("network.proxy.no_proxies_on", "localhost, 127.0.0.1"); > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 07:14:37 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 00:14:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Two Great Open Source Interviews from South Africa and Indiana In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's been a fun day! I started very early in order to be able to catch Hilton Theunissen in South Africa, who has led the tuXlab project to install Linux thin-client in 200 schools. Then late in the day Mike Huffman and Laura Taylor provided insight into the Indiana Affordable Classroom Computers for Every Secondary Student (ACCESS) program. (To download the mp3 or ogg files, go to http://www.K12OpenSource.com/Interviews.) These are both fascinating interviews, and along with the interview with the folks from Atlanta Public Schools last week, they are confirming a pattern that deserve some real exploration: high-priced, high-maintenance computers have led to relatively little actual student time in front of them (35 minutes a week per student in the case of Indiana, at a cost of $100 million a year!); low-cost computer solutions provide significantly more actual time in front of computers for students, and the result is dramatic engagement by students and teachers, and significant academic success (some measured and some expected). This is interesting to me, since I've lately been very aware that while the Windows, Linux, and Mac folks fight the battle of which OS is best, there is still a more fundamental and hotly-debated question with regard to computers in education: do they actually help students do better for all the money that is spent on them? What Atlanta and Indiana seem to show is that because it has been so costly to have computers in schools, they haven't been truly available enough for teachers or students to integrate their use into the curriculum. But in programs that are dedicated to cost-effectively getting the computers into the classrooms in sufficient quantity to impact education, the results are significant and exciting. And the "cost effective" part belongs to Linux and Open Source... This Thursday night (August 17), it's time to hear from "our favorite Moodler," Michelle Moore from remote-Learner.net. The one-hour interview will be broadcast live at 5:00 pm PDT / 8:00 pm EDT, and will also be available afterwards in recorded form. Links to join the live Skypecast, to leave questions, or to learn more are at www.K12OpenSource.com/Interviews . The following weeks I'll be interviewing Victoria Davis (Westwood Schools) and Adam Frey (Wikispaces) about Wikis, and Ruth Lutes and Ragavan Srinivasan (both from HP) about Open Source Licensing. To suggest future interview topics, or to contribute to the wiki, visit K12OpenSource.com. Today was also my first day flying solo--which included doing the sound editing and uploading... Wow. Hope you like them. From now on it should be a little easier! -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.K12OpenSource.com (Public Wiki) www.SupportBlogging.com (Public Wiki) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(David Whitmer) (Matt Oquist) > > Oops - the below solution won't get Winders(TM) clients to map the > > user home folders from the correct machine; everything in the WAN will > > be using the PDC. > > I *think* this problem goes away if you create each site's users while > > you're on the slave LDAP server (PDC) at that site, but I'm not 100% > > confident. > > David - this means that you really would want to set up a slave LDAP > > server (BDC) if you want Winders(TM) clients to access home folders > > stored on server B directly. > > --matt > Will this only be an issue once we have a WAN? We don't have one right now (though we will in one or two years, so this is good for me to know regardless). > Assuming your above recommendation also applies to our current situation... Server A contains student home folders, server B the teacher home folders, and server C is the PDC. Could servers A & B each additionally be a BDC? Yes, this applies to all situations involving multiple file servers/distributed home directories. Yes, your servers A and B should be BDCs, and you should create the account for each user (using smbldap-useradd-bulk) on the server where her home directory lives. I just tested this, and it works as I've been describing. (I wasn't 100% certain before.) I even tested it with a FC5 PDC and an Ubuntu BDC - works like a charm! --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If the documentation site is out of date somewhere, please let me know, or, better yet, let me know you've fixed it. :) Before you run 'ldapclient' since you've already done 'ubuntuclient', do this: $ apt-get remove --purge libpam-ldap libnss-ldap --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ 718 Fox Hollow Drive Hudson, NH 03051 U.S.A. +1 603.236.1054 (cell) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In an eager attempt to push the limits I went to yumex and added almost all of these installs: abiword, amanda (c/s), amaya, antiword, audacity,autossh, autotrace, banner, blackbox, blender, bluefish, bochs, buoh, bwbar,celestia, cfv, d4x, digicam, dosbox, drgeo, duplicity, epiphany(exts), ethereal fedora-rpmdevtools, finger-server, galculator, galeon, geomview, gftp, gimp-print-cups, glabels, glunardock, gnome-nettool, gnome-sudoku, gnumeric, goffice, gperiodic, gphoto2-dev, gpp, hddtemp, hexedit, hwbrowser ibmonitor, inkscape, itext-man, joe, jpgraph-doc, k3b, kasablanca, kdeadmin,kdeartwork-icons, kdeedu, kdegames, kdetoys, kdewebdev, kdissert, kipi-plg koffice-core, koffice-filters, koffice-carbon, koffice-chart, k/kexi, k/formula k/kivio, k/kplato, k/kpresenter, k/krita, k/kspread, k/kuggar, k/kword, k/suite, krecipes, krusader, linux-logo, lynx, macutils, mc, mediawiki, moodle,mysql(....), open-office.org-base 00-debuginfo, oo-javafilter, oo-pyono,oo-testools, pdftkt, php-mysql, qiv, samba-swat, showing, rusers, stellarium-docs. testdisk, texmaker, usbview, usbutils, uudeview, uulib, vim-x11, wine, yum-fastestmirror, yum-utils, and zope Well, what is happening now is that at boot, after it loads all the applications (right after the computer screen that loads all the apps), and right before the login screen comes in (ie, at the blue transition screen) the server hangs unmercifully. My usual CTRL-ALT-F1 keyboard trick to break out of gui (I generally login-in again and then type gdm-restart) doesn't respond, so short of re-installing everything I am forced to ask the kind group for some pointers: a) Is there another way to break away from gui during the booting process? b) What application might be at fault? Anybody had similar experiences? Being unable to log in has certainly taught me I am an inexperienced tester. However, I need that server operational by Monday. Any help greatly appreciated! Cheers Alan A Hodson El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org/ -=o=- From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Fri Aug 11 12:37:15 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:37:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sharing Installation problems/solutions In-Reply-To: <1155297406.4122.18.camel@HodsonNet1> References: <1155297406.4122.18.camel@HodsonNet1> Message-ID: <1155299835.13795.9.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Fri, 2006-08-11 at 05:56 -0600, Alan Hodson wrote: > a) Is there another way to break away from gui during the booting > process? At the grub bootup splash screen (before the kernel starts loading) if you highlight the kernel to boot from and hit "e" to edit the start upstring, highlight the line with the actual kernel name, hit 'e' again, go to the end of the line and add on "single", hit enter, hit 'b'. That will let you go into single user mode where you can then edit the /etc/inittab file and change the run level from 5 to 3. Now reboot, login at the prompt as root, run "startx". If that won't run, you can ctl-alt-bkspc out (or it might even die on it's own) and go look at the /var/log/Xorg log file for clues on the failure. > > b) What application might be at fault? Anybody had similar experiences? It seems like X is not finding a screen resolution it likes. > > Being unable to log in has certainly taught me I am an inexperienced > tester. However, I need that server operational by Monday. Any help > greatly appreciated! > > Cheers > Alan A Hodson > El Paso ISD, TX > http://links.episd.org/ > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From melliott at rpmhd.org Fri Aug 11 12:41:10 2006 From: melliott at rpmhd.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:41:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mobile User Plugged In Message-ID: <44DC7AE6.8010301@rpmhd.org> Hello and thanks for taking the time to read my message. I have a very small K12LTSP network consisting of only a few machines. I have the DHCP assiging IP addresses according to the MAC of the workstations. I understand that anyone could disconnect the cat5 from the workstation and plug in a laptop and the DHCP would assign an IP and allow the laptop access. Well, I have had this happen. A user who does not have access rights on the LTSP brought in a personal laptop and connected up to the network for internet access. Does anyone have any suggestions as what I can do to prevent this from occuring again? Thanks, Mike From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Aug 11 12:56:13 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:56:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mobile User Plugged In In-Reply-To: <44DC7AE6.8010301@rpmhd.org> References: <44DC7AE6.8010301@rpmhd.org> Message-ID: see the "deny unknown clients" option in dhcpd.conf man dhcpd.conf On Aug 11, 2006, at 7:41 AM, Michael Elliott wrote: > Hello and thanks for taking the time to read my message. > > I have a very small K12LTSP network consisting of only a few > machines. I have the DHCP assiging IP addresses according to the > MAC of the workstations. I understand that anyone could disconnect > the cat5 from the workstation and plug in a laptop and the DHCP > would assign an IP and allow the laptop access. > Well, I have had this happen. A user who does not have access > rights on the LTSP brought in a personal laptop and connected up to > the network for internet access. > Does anyone have any suggestions as what I can do to prevent this > from occuring again? > > Thanks, > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Fri Aug 11 12:59:35 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:59:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mobile User Plugged In In-Reply-To: <44DC7AE6.8010301@rpmhd.org> References: <44DC7AE6.8010301@rpmhd.org> Message-ID: <1155301175.13795.17.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Fri, 2006-08-11 at 08:41 -0400, Michael Elliott wrote: > Hello and thanks for taking the time to read my message. > > I have a very small K12LTSP network consisting of only a few machines. > I have the DHCP assiging IP addresses according to the MAC of the > workstations. I understand that anyone could disconnect the cat5 from > the workstation and plug in a laptop and the DHCP would assign an IP and > allow the laptop access. > Well, I have had this happen. A user who does not have access rights on > the LTSP brought in a personal laptop and connected up to the network > for internet access. > Does anyone have any suggestions as what I can do to prevent this from > occuring again? Since you know what the allowed IPs are based on the dhcp-MAC address process, use iptables to block any other IPs from being usable on the dhcp serving interface. They will get an address but it won't do them any good. They would have to clone an existing thin client mac address. Perhaps a better choice that just blocking that IP at the server would be to make use of squid's redirect capabilities. Block all the other port access for rogue IPs but port 80. Send all port 80 to a squid page that large, bold, red WARNING! UNAUTHORIZED NETWORK ACCESS DENIED! PLEASE STEP AWAY FROM THE MACHINE AND WAIT UNTIL SECURITY ARRIVES. It will only happen once :) > > Thanks, > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rgm at htt-consult.com Fri Aug 11 13:20:59 2006 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:20:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] phone system In-Reply-To: <20060810131804.42AFD4900EF@ephesus.modevia.com> References: <20060810131804.42AFD4900EF@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <44DC843B.9090006@htt-consult.com> Paul Lemke wrote: > Hi all, > This is not closely related to the list. but I don't know who else > to ask. The school I'm currently helping has about 10 rooms. They want to > put some kind of phone system in place to have a phone in each room. (why > they didn't do this when they built the school boggles my mind) We already > have cat5e ran to each room where the phone would go. > I odn't have time to go through this whole thread this morning. Too much to do. But go get Trixbox. It is pretty much a drop-in and use. there is any number of FXO multi-port cards to add to your server. And any number of SIP phones or ATAs. And the Trixbox gang are adding scripts to configure some of those. Also Asterfax is being intergrated into Trixbox. By adding things like e164.org, SRV DNS records and a few other odds and ends and you might be supprised about how much of your calls stay on the net. > The question is. are there any open source implementations of a > commercial phone system? Let's just say the bid we got to do the phone > system was a little high for our low budget. So I'd figure I'd ask some > other school's what they do. I was thinking of a VOIP setup utilizing our > totally underutilized Fedora server. > > Here are the basic requirements: > 1. Use phones (not software phones) > 2. Voicemail > 3. Some kind of "Public Announcement" system > > Thoughts? Or can someone point me in the right direction? > > Thanks! > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jritchie at bible.edu Fri Aug 11 13:54:24 2006 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Ritchie, Josiah S.) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:54:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] phone system Message-ID: <6EB812DA48A19740BE7CD3BC07C792FA455676@rebekah.bible.edu> Phone pairs. I'll have to go look around Digium's site to check things out. Thanks, JSR/ > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Huck > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:30 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] phone system > > 66-block of phone pairs? or 66 unique ip's? > digium makes a card that handles 24 pair of POTS line.. > and full T1's...etc.. > > fonality's system, it turnkey...the only advantage I see... > you can get a much beefier server with you'll need for more than 5 > clients(their base $999 system is good for about 5 concurrent)... > like I said in the earlier post...Asterisk at Home is a simple > solution..and you can customize it from there...the web interface makes > configuration of trunks/extensions and all that jazz very easy.. > > --Huck > > Ritchie, Josiah S. wrote: > > I have a 66-block coming into a new extension campus. What kind of card > > would I need to receive that sort of traffic since they aren't broken up > > into physically separate lines? I could pay them extra to break it down, > > but it seems rather silly to do so. > > > > I agree that fonality, while having a nice system, seems awfully > > expensive as you add more and more to the quote. I was thinking about > > just pushing this out to a contractor, but I'm kinda interested in VoIP > > and this small size might be a good start. > > > > Thanks, > > JSR/ > > > > Josiah S. Ritchie > > System and Database Administrator > > P: 301-552-1400 ext 1241 | F: 301-552-2775 > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > >> Behalf Of Huck > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:28 AM > >> To: Support list for open source software in schools. > >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] phone system > >> > >> Fonality has a nice easy solution...although they rape you on the > >> server...$1k for the hardware they provide..blah..but their product > >> really is nice...and comes with support if you purchase... > >> > >> They've taken Asterisk and put together a nice interface and they > > handle > >> all updates on the server if you purchase the support from them. > >> > >> Setting up Asterisk yourself is not rocket science by any > >> means...Asterisk at Home actually is a fairly simple solution for > >> VOIP...and you can use desktops with a free application as the > >> phone...with just a headset/mic combo deal. Or get a SIP phone that > >> bridges the network connection through the phone...but you'll want to > >> put QoS on your network so VoiP traffice has priority. > >> > >> --Huck > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From timothy.hart at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 14:35:51 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:35:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dumb Sound Question Message-ID: <464c38cc0608110735l14014517nd7a3a3c3b5e5fccf@mail.gmail.com> Now this sounds like a really dumb question to me but I am going to ask it any ways. In a K12LTSP environment, do I need a sound card in the server to make sound work on the clients if the clients have a sound card? 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Nope. ;-) -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Aug 11 13:48:36 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 06:48:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] phone system Message-ID: <20060811064836.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.168f38ca95.wbe@email.secureserver.net> I would just like to add something to this. I would highly recommend using the Digium FXO and FXS boards for Asterisk. You will have fewer integration problems. ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us "try to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are" > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] phone system > From: "Robert Moskowitz" > Date: Fri, August 11, 2006 8:20 am > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > Paul Lemke wrote: > > Hi all, > > This is not closely related to the list. but I don't know who else > > to ask. The school I'm currently helping has about 10 rooms. They want to > > put some kind of phone system in place to have a phone in each room. (why > > they didn't do this when they built the school boggles my mind) We already > > have cat5e ran to each room where the phone would go. > > > I odn't have time to go through this whole thread this morning. Too > much to do. > > But go get Trixbox. > > It is pretty much a drop-in and use. > > there is any number of FXO multi-port cards to add to your server. And > any number of SIP phones or ATAs. And the Trixbox gang are adding > scripts to configure some of those. > > Also Asterfax is being intergrated into Trixbox. > > By adding things like e164.org, SRV DNS records and a few other odds and > ends and you might be supprised about how much of your calls stay on the > net. > > The question is. are there any open source implementations of a > > commercial phone system? Let's just say the bid we got to do the phone > > system was a little high for our low budget. So I'd figure I'd ask some > > other school's what they do. I was thinking of a VOIP setup utilizing our > > totally underutilized Fedora server. > > > > Here are the basic requirements: > > 1. Use phones (not software phones) > > 2. Voicemail > > 3. Some kind of "Public Announcement" system > > > > Thoughts? Or can someone point me in the right direction? > > > > Thanks! > > Paul > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Aug 11 14:54:36 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:54:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] phone system Message-ID: <20060811075436.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.67c8900c58.wbe@email.secureserver.net> You just have to jump from the 66 block to a cable with an RJ11 connector to plug into the FXO port in the Asterisk server. An RJ11 connector is a typical phone plug. It is a little smaller than an RJ45 and has 6 pins instead of 8. ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us "try to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are" > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] phone system > From: "Ritchie, Josiah S." > Date: Fri, August 11, 2006 8:54 am > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > Phone pairs. I'll have to go look around Digium's site to check things > out. > > Thanks, > JSR/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > > Behalf Of Huck > > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:30 PM > > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] phone system > > > > 66-block of phone pairs? or 66 unique ip's? > > digium makes a card that handles 24 pair of POTS line.. > > and full T1's...etc.. > > > > fonality's system, it turnkey...the only advantage I see... > > you can get a much beefier server with you'll need for more than 5 > > clients(their base $999 system is good for about 5 concurrent)... > > like I said in the earlier post...Asterisk at Home is a simple > > solution..and you can customize it from there...the web interface > makes > > configuration of trunks/extensions and all that jazz very easy.. > > > > --Huck > > > > Ritchie, Josiah S. wrote: > > > I have a 66-block coming into a new extension campus. What kind of > card > > > would I need to receive that sort of traffic since they aren't > broken up > > > into physically separate lines? I could pay them extra to break it > down, > > > but it seems rather silly to do so. > > > > > > I agree that fonality, while having a nice system, seems awfully > > > expensive as you add more and more to the quote. I was thinking > about > > > just pushing this out to a contractor, but I'm kinda interested in > VoIP > > > and this small size might be a good start. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > JSR/ > > > > > > Josiah S. Ritchie > > > System and Database Administrator > > > P: 301-552-1400 ext 1241 | F: 301-552-2775 > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] > On > > >> Behalf Of Huck > > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:28 AM > > >> To: Support list for open source software in schools. > > >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] phone system > > >> > > >> Fonality has a nice easy solution...although they rape you on the > > >> server...$1k for the hardware they provide..blah..but their product > > >> really is nice...and comes with support if you purchase... > > >> > > >> They've taken Asterisk and put together a nice interface and they > > > handle > > >> all updates on the server if you purchase the support from them. > > >> > > >> Setting up Asterisk yourself is not rocket science by any > > >> means...Asterisk at Home actually is a fairly simple solution for > > >> VOIP...and you can use desktops with a free application as the > > >> phone...with just a headset/mic combo deal. Or get a SIP phone that > > >> bridges the network connection through the phone...but you'll want > to > > >> put QoS on your network so VoiP traffice has priority. > > >> > > >> --Huck > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From tfrichtel at socal.rr.com Fri Aug 11 14:58:38 2006 From: tfrichtel at socal.rr.com (Tim Frichtel) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:58:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] phone system In-Reply-To: <20060810131804.42AFD4900EF@ephesus.modevia.com> References: <20060810131804.42AFD4900EF@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <44DC9B1E.5090505@socal.rr.com> We're using Switchvox http://www.switchvox.com/ which is a commercial user-interface on top of Asterisk (open source PBX code). We've found it to be solid, and the support has been excellent. It has voicemail and more. You basically buy a pre-configured system of server and phones. For public announcements, it depends on your speaker system. We have amplified ceiling speakers that all connect to a Bogen TAM-B which connects to a Sipura ATA which is another extension on the phone system. We have 140 lines on a single Dell server. One thing you'll need to think about is power to the phones. If you go with Power Over Ethernet you'll need a new switch, otherwise, you'll have to provide power next to each phone :-( Power redundancy is important - if you lose power, you can't call, which could put you in a bad spot, especially if 911 is needed. Tim Paul Lemke wrote: > Hi all, > This is not closely related to the list. but I don't know who else > to ask. The school I'm currently helping has about 10 rooms. They want to > put some kind of phone system in place to have a phone in each room. (why > they didn't do this when they built the school boggles my mind) We already > have cat5e ran to each room where the phone would go. > > The question is. are there any open source implementations of a > commercial phone system? Let's just say the bid we got to do the phone > system was a little high for our low budget. So I'd figure I'd ask some > other school's what they do. I was thinking of a VOIP setup utilizing our > totally underutilized Fedora server. > > Here are the basic requirements: > 1. Use phones (not software phones) > 2. Voicemail > 3. Some kind of "Public Announcement" system > > Thoughts? Or can someone point me in the right direction? > > Thanks! > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From big at santaz.dk Fri Aug 11 15:00:18 2006 From: big at santaz.dk (Jesper Berth) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:00:18 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Pam_ldap.secret (Jesper Berth) In-Reply-To: <20060811074706.GB16114@majen.net> References: <20060811071449.59B8473751@hormel.redhat.com> <20060811074706.GB16114@majen.net> Message-ID: <44DC9B82.6020306@santaz.dk> Matt Oquist wrote: >>From: Jesper Berth >>Subject: [K12OSN] Pam_ldap.secret >>To: k12osn >>On the client i have run the ./smbldap ubuntuclient >> >> > >Don't run that. Run './smbldap ldapclient'. > > This worked on the server in first attempt, but i haven't run the ./smbldap ubuntuclient here My client didn't work i got a lot of print() on closed filehandle LOG at smbldap-funcs.pm line 27 see a screenshot here http://www.berthit.dk/205/pic.png >If the documentation site is out of date somewhere, please let me >know, or, better yet, let me know you've fixed it. :) > > the ./smbldap ubuntuclient text is here http://majen.net/smbldap/ >Before you run 'ldapclient' since you've already done 'ubuntuclient', >do this: >$ apt-get remove --purge libpam-ldap libnss-ldap > > > I tried this after i did the first run of ldapclient, but that didn't help i get the same print() errors again, and after a reboot i couldn't login, so i am reinstalling :-) It was only a test install, i will try again without running ubuntuclient Cheers Jesper >--matt > >-- >Open Source Software Engineering Consultant >http://majen.net/ > >718 Fox Hollow Drive >Hudson, NH 03051 U.S.A. >+1 603.236.1054 (cell) > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From timothy.hart at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 15:04:20 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:04:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dumb Sound Question In-Reply-To: <44DC9884.90902@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <464c38cc0608110735l14014517nd7a3a3c3b5e5fccf@mail.gmail.com> <44DC9884.90902@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <464c38cc0608110804g6705fb30o9876edbcb3058d34@mail.gmail.com> That is what I thought. But then why am I getting this error message. The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to control. This means either that you don't have the right GStreamer plugins installed, or that you don't have a sound card configured. You can remove the volume control from the panel by right-clicking the speaker icon on the panel and selecting "Remove From Panel" from the menu. Default install on K12LTSP 5 with esd activated. I am on a client from disklessworkstations.com. I get the message when I click the volume icon in the top right. When I run the sound card detector it doesn't find anything? Tim On 8/11/06, Dan Young wrote: > > Timothy Hart wrote: > > In a K12LTSP environment, do I need a sound card in the server to > > make sound work on the clients if the clients have a sound card? > > Nope. ;-) > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Fri Aug 11 15:37:52 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:37:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dumb Sound Question In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0608110804g6705fb30o9876edbcb3058d34@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0608110735l14014517nd7a3a3c3b5e5fccf@mail.gmail.com> <44DC9884.90902@mesd.k12.or.us> <464c38cc0608110804g6705fb30o9876edbcb3058d34@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1155310672.13795.25.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Fri, 2006-08-11 at 11:04 -0400, Timothy Hart wrote: > That is what I thought. But then why am I getting this error message. > > The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to > control. This means either that you don't have the right GStreamer > plugins installed, or that you don't have a sound card configured. > > You can remove the volume control from the panel by right-clicking the > speaker icon on the panel and selecting "Remove From Panel" from the > menu. > I've seen the same error message, yet sound still works. It seems to be a bug in the gnome sound control looking at the server instead of the client. > > Default install on K12LTSP 5 with esd activated. I am on a client from > disklessworkstations.com. I get the message when I click the volume > icon in the top right. When I run the sound card detector it doesn't > find anything? > > Tim > > On 8/11/06, Dan Young wrote: > Timothy Hart wrote: > > In a K12LTSP environment, do I need a sound card in the > server to > > make sound work on the clients if the clients have a sound > card? > > Nope. ;-) > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. 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Kinney III wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-08-11 at 11:04 -0400, Timothy Hart wrote: > > That is what I thought. But then why am I getting this error message. > > > > The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to > > control. This means either that you don't have the right GStreamer > > plugins installed, or that you don't have a sound card configured. > > > > You can remove the volume control from the panel by right-clicking the > > speaker icon on the panel and selecting "Remove From Panel" from the > > menu. > > > > I've seen the same error message, yet sound still works. It seems to be > a bug in the gnome sound control looking at the server instead of the > client. > > > > Default install on K12LTSP 5 with esd activated. I am on a client from > > disklessworkstations.com. I get the message when I click the volume > > icon in the top right. When I run the sound card detector it doesn't > > find anything? > > > > Tim > > > > On 8/11/06, Dan Young wrote: > > Timothy Hart wrote: > > > In a K12LTSP environment, do I need a sound card in the > > server to > > > make sound work on the clients if the clients have a sound > > card? > > > > Nope. ;-) > > > > -- > > Dan Young > > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > > 503-257-1562 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > James P. 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URL: From timothy.hart at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 15:42:09 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:42:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dumb Sound Question In-Reply-To: <1155310672.13795.25.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <464c38cc0608110735l14014517nd7a3a3c3b5e5fccf@mail.gmail.com> <44DC9884.90902@mesd.k12.or.us> <464c38cc0608110804g6705fb30o9876edbcb3058d34@mail.gmail.com> <1155310672.13795.25.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <464c38cc0608110842n7efb6e15j1bb8574455c0384c@mail.gmail.com> It doesn't work on mine. Both Helix and Totem have errors. Helix says "Cannot open the audio device. Another application may be using it." and Totem says "Totem could not startup. Could not open resource for writing." Hmmm Tim On 8/11/06, James P. Kinney III wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-08-11 at 11:04 -0400, Timothy Hart wrote: > > That is what I thought. But then why am I getting this error message. > > > > The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to > > control. This means either that you don't have the right GStreamer > > plugins installed, or that you don't have a sound card configured. > > > > You can remove the volume control from the panel by right-clicking the > > speaker icon on the panel and selecting "Remove From Panel" from the > > menu. > > > > I've seen the same error message, yet sound still works. It seems to be > a bug in the gnome sound control looking at the server instead of the > client. > > > > Default install on K12LTSP 5 with esd activated. I am on a client from > > disklessworkstations.com. I get the message when I click the volume > > icon in the top right. When I run the sound card detector it doesn't > > find anything? > > > > Tim > > > > On 8/11/06, Dan Young wrote: > > Timothy Hart wrote: > > > In a K12LTSP environment, do I need a sound card in the > > server to > > > make sound work on the clients if the clients have a sound > > card? > > > > Nope. ;-) > > > > -- > > Dan Young > > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > > 503-257-1562 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > James P. 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URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Aug 11 15:44:50 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:44:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dumb Sound Question In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0608110842n7efb6e15j1bb8574455c0384c@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0608110735l14014517nd7a3a3c3b5e5fccf@mail.gmail.com> <44DC9884.90902@mesd.k12.or.us> <464c38cc0608110804g6705fb30o9876edbcb3058d34@mail.gmail.com> <1155310672.13795.25.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <464c38cc0608110842n7efb6e15j1bb8574455c0384c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44DCA5F2.8050206@mesd.k12.or.us> Timothy Hart wrote: > It doesn't work on mine. Both Helix and Totem have errors. Helix says > "Cannot open the audio device. Another application may be using it." and > Totem says "Totem could not startup. Could not open resource for writing." > Hmmm Can you try setting the Audio Default Output Plugin to ESD in gstreamer-properties? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From rgm at htt-consult.com Fri Aug 11 15:41:47 2006 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:41:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer reinstall failure (Robert Moskowitz) & (Roger) In-Reply-To: <44DA4DE1.8070306@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20060809160025.63CC0734BB@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44DCA53B.9080101@htt-consult.com> Dan Young wrote: > Dan Young wrote: > >> rpm -Va | grep '/etc/logrotate.d' | grep 'missing' > /tmp/logr-files >> for e in $(cat /tmp/logr-files); do rpm -qf $e; done > /tmp/logr-rpms >> less /tmp/logr-rpms >> >> That will verify all installed RPMs and tell you what files are missing, >> then tell you what RPM package the missing file belongs to. For each of >> those, you'll need to reinstall the package. >> >> yum install yum-utils # to get the handy yumdownloader tool >> mkdir /tmp/logrotate; cd /tmp/logrotate >> for $e in $(cat /tmp/logrotate); do yumdownloader $e; done >> rpm -ivh --replacepkgs *.rpm >> > > Oops, the yumdownloader line should read: > for $e in $(cat /tmp/logr-rpms); do yumdownloader $e; done > One final bug for e in $(cat .... Well the list was long: sysklogd, samba, psacct, aspid, ppp, cups,yum,tux,httpd,netsnmp,vsftpd,freeradius,mgetty,up2date,squid,bind, and mailman bind resulted in a warning about /etc/rndc,ey created as /etc/rndc.key.rpmnew time to reboot then relook at rerunning everything. Or just reinstalling. Particularly if Centos 4.4 comes out this weekend! From rgm at htt-consult.com Fri Aug 11 16:00:38 2006 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:00:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: smbldap-installer reinstall failure (Robert Moskowitz) In-Reply-To: <20060810060154.GC16804@majen.net> References: <20060810011853.A8F4F73121@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44DCA9A6.3060005@htt-consult.com> Matt Oquist wrote: >> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:54:52 -0400 >> From: "Robert Moskowitz" >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer reinstall failure (Robert Moskowitz) >> >>>> The docs say you can run ./smb-ldap all over and over until you get it >>>> right? >>>> >>> Yes, though perhaps we should have something in there about deleting >>> old LDAP databases first. >>> >> I thought that was a backup of the old databases in there? >> > > I wasn't speaking of the database backups here, I was speaking of the > actual databases, [usually] stored in /var/lib/ldap. > > You should 'rm -rf /var/lib/ldap/*' before you re-run the > smbldap-installer. BEWARE! This deletes your current databases! (But > no the backups.) > Wow! __db.002 is 321Mb and I have not successfully added anything yet! Well that deleted EVERYTHING in the /var/lilb/ldap directory. >>>> I got through a lot of the script then bot a mesage about: >>>> /etc/logrotate.d/smbldap-ldif-backups already exists, will overwrite in >>>> 10 seconds (CTRL+C to cancel).... >>>> >>> The right thing for you to do is just wait...I guess the message >>> should say that. :-( >>> >> But I did, and the script ended. It did not go one to setting >> everything up, it seemed. >> > > Oh. Maybe it should print something more, I suppose. I expect that it > really did finish, though, unless you're *sure* it never said anything > about "/etc/cron./smbldap-ldif-backup". > Yes, I see in the smbldap-configure.log file all those errors about what is NOT getting added to the database. >>>> Caution: You have /home exported more than once in /etc/exports/ >>>> make sure this is what you want. >>>> (I understand what I have to do here, but why did this happen?) >>>> >>> You had the script add a '/home (options)' line for you once >>> before, and you were adding another export. This doesn't hurt >>> anything, but it's good for you to be aware of it. Maybe the script >>> should say "Warning" instead of "Caution"; there's a well-established >>> convention that "warnings" are workable while "errors" are not. >>> >>> >> Since these are duplicates, could not the script NOT add the duplicate? >> > > 'Cuz you said you wanted it to. I suppose it could ask for > confirmation if it's a second time; good idea. > Well I just deleted the exports file for the next run around. >>>> /etc/cron.daily/smbldap-ldif-backups already exists, will overwrite in >>>> 10 seconds (CTRL+C to cancel).... >>>> Well this time I did not touch the keyboard and am waiting for HELP!!! >>>> >>> Good plan, but you've probably waited long enough now. :) >>> >> The script ended at this point. Seemed like prematurely. That is, I >> seem to recall the first time through more going on... >> Definitely did NOT get asked the smb password. >> > > Subsequent runs of the script remember your previous answers (if > you're in the same smbldap-installer directory), but you should be > prompted for your password every time because I don't store it in the > answers file. > > The password question is long before the ldif-backups questions, > though. > > I'm working on FC5 right now; I'm just about to test everything after > a 'yum upgrade', so we'll see how it goes. 8-| From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Aug 11 16:21:40 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:21:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer reinstall failure (Robert Moskowitz) & (Roger) In-Reply-To: <44DCA53B.9080101@htt-consult.com> References: <20060809160025.63CC0734BB@hormel.redhat.com> <44DCA53B.9080101@htt-consult.com> Message-ID: <44DCAE94.4050404@mesd.k12.or.us> Robert Moskowitz wrote: > One final bug > > for e in $(cat .... > > Well the list was long: > > sysklogd, samba, psacct, aspid, ppp, > cups,yum,tux,httpd,netsnmp,vsftpd,freeradius,mgetty,up2date,squid,bind, > and mailman All of those packages provide a logrotate file to clean up after their own logs, so yeah, the list will be long. > bind resulted in a warning about /etc/rndc,ey created as > /etc/rndc.key.rpmnew Not really a warning; more of a notification. RPM can be told by a package not to replace certain files upon upgrade. This is good because you generally don't want to toss out your existing configuration every time you do an update. RPM will create the config file that would be "foo.conf" as "foo.conf.rpmnew" so you have the opportunity to see if there are any additional options available in the default config and merge them if you so desire. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Aug 11 16:27:59 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:27:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying fix?? In-Reply-To: References: <44D38F28.9060605@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44DCB00F.9010804@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Burke Almquist wrote: > To me that makes more sense. Why would you be proxying traffic on the > external interface?? I believe the logic went like this: 1) Is it 100% safe to assume that eth0 is the internal interface? No. 2) Is it 100% safe to have the redirect on all interfaces? Yes. therefore: it makes sense to have the redirect on all interfaces. You have presented an edge-case that proves assumption #2 to be incorrect. That leaves us with the problem of finding a new way to mitigate assumption #1 ;-) -Eric > On Aug 4, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> Burke Almquist wrote: >>> The transparent proxy script should only redirect traffic on the >>> internal interface to the squid/squidguard/dg port. I've noticed that >>> it doesn't do this, it redirects traffic from both interfaces. Is this >>> intentional or accidental? Am I missing something? >>> >> >> The transparent proxy script has not been changed in years, I honestly >> can't remember all of the design considerations ;-) >> >> >> The intent is that a transparent proxy server should *ONLY* be a >> transparent proxy server, it should not be a general-purpose server. >> >> >> I'll take another look at it. The suggestion of limiting it to the >> internal interface only may very well be a better way to go. >> >> -Eric >> From rgm at htt-consult.com Fri Aug 11 16:42:51 2006 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:42:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] phone system In-Reply-To: <44DC9B1E.5090505@socal.rr.com> References: <20060810131804.42AFD4900EF@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <44DCB38B.8070905@htt-consult.com> Tim Frichtel wrote: > We're using Switchvox http://www.switchvox.com/ which is a commercial > user-interface on top of Asterisk (open source PBX code). We've > found it to be solid, and the support has been excellent. It has > voicemail and more. You basically buy a pre-configured system of > server and phones. For public announcements, it depends on your > speaker system. We have amplified ceiling speakers that all connect > to a Bogen TAM-B which connects to a Sipura ATA which is another > extension on the phone system. We have 140 lines on a single Dell > server. One thing you'll need to think about is power to the phones. > If you go with Power Over Ethernet you'll need a new switch, > otherwise, you'll have to provide power next to each phone :-( Power > redundancy is important - if you lose power, you can't call, which > could put you in a bad spot, especially if 911 is needed. Trixbox comes with an open source PBX config gui. one warning: you install a new kernel (common with Centos upgrades), you havc to rebuild your FXO (zaptel) drivers. But it is getting cleaner with each iteration. > > Tim > > Paul Lemke wrote: >> Hi all, >> This is not closely related to the list. but I don't know who else >> to ask. The school I'm currently helping has about 10 rooms. They >> want to >> put some kind of phone system in place to have a phone in each room. >> (why >> they didn't do this when they built the school boggles my mind) We >> already >> have cat5e ran to each room where the phone would go. >> The question is. are there any open source implementations of a >> commercial phone system? Let's just say the bid we got to do the phone >> system was a little high for our low budget. So I'd figure I'd ask some >> other school's what they do. I was thinking of a VOIP setup utilizing >> our >> totally underutilized Fedora server. >> Here are the basic requirements: >> 1. Use phones (not software phones) >> 2. Voicemail >> 3. Some kind of "Public Announcement" system >> >> Thoughts? Or can someone point me in the right direction? >> Thanks! >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From moquist at majen.net Fri Aug 11 17:02:49 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:02:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Pam_ldap.secret (Jesper Berth) (Jesper Berth) In-Reply-To: <20060811154509.0A0A873662@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060811154509.0A0A873662@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060811170249.GA8934@majen.net> > From: Jesper Berth > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Pam_ldap.secret (Jesper Berth) > >>On the client i have run the ./smbldap ubuntuclient > >Don't run that. Run './smbldap ldapclient'. > This worked on the server in first attempt, but i haven't run the > ./smbldap ubuntuclient here Er, you shouldn't ever have to run that on the server if you started with './smbldap all'. > My client didn't work i got a lot of print() on closed filehandle LOG > at smbldap-funcs.pm line 27 Granted, logging should fail more gracefully. Is your smbldap-installer directory writeable? (By root?) > see a screenshot here http://www.berthit.dk/205/pic.png Thanks! > >If the documentation site is out of date somewhere, please let me > >know, or, better yet, let me know you've fixed it. :) > the ./smbldap ubuntuclient text is here http://majen.net/smbldap/ OOPS and Sorry! Fixed now. What?!? I don't see it there... try dumping your browser cache. ;) > >Before you run 'ldapclient' since you've already done 'ubuntuclient', > >do this: > >$ apt-get remove --purge libpam-ldap libnss-ldap > I tried this after i did the first run of ldapclient, but that didn't > help i get the same print() errors again, and after a reboot i couldn't > login, so i am reinstalling :-) > It was only a test install, i will try again without running ubuntuclient I predict that it will work fine this time, as long as root can write to your smbldap-installer directory. -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From rgm at htt-consult.com Fri Aug 11 16:57:33 2006 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:57:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-install start from scratch. Really! In-Reply-To: <44DC9B1E.5090505@socal.rr.com> References: <20060810131804.42AFD4900EF@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <44DCB6FD.5020509@htt-consult.com> I have 'nothing to loose'. I am still trying to get everything right. But so far I have stepped all over my self in retrys. So I replaced all those rpms that I blew away their logrotates. I have deleted the ldap dbs. I have downloaded the LATEST install tgz, deleted the directory and tared -xvfz again. So perhaps I am ready for another go around. But I want to make sure I haved deleted everything I need to. And even then, I have those errors from the first time around to deal with. I just rebooted. Yumex says that everything is up to date (dag and karanbir repos included). system log says that slapd startup is successful, but the gnome service config tool reports it stopped. netfs is checked to run at startup, but its status is not indicated. nfs is not checked to run at startup. But nfslock is checked, but stopped. ncsd is running. mysqld is not checked or running. smbd and nmbd are up and running. So what do I do before I kick off the script. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Aug 11 17:16:49 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:16:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP v5.0 (64bit) Client bootup problem In-Reply-To: <20060810101246.2322dd83@trunks> References: <20060810101246.2322dd83@trunks> Message-ID: <44DCBB81.4060409@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Wilson Chan wrote: > I cant get some of my LTSP clients to boot via PXE on K12LTSP V5.0 64bit (Final). The clients show BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0! after it shows "Running dhcpcd on port 67". Below are the screenshots of the bootup process. Im trying to get this server up before school starts (Monday). eeek! Btw- it works fine on the older 4.x.x distros. Any ideas? > > Server Specs: > AMD AM2 4600+ 64x2 > Corsair 2Gb (800DDR2) > MSI K9N SLI Platinum (Built in dual 10/100/100 & SATA2) > Raptor 150GB 10K 16MB SATA hdd > > Clients: > All 15 Clients are the same. (6 of them wont boot and gives a BUG: Error) > Nic- 3Com 3c905C-TXM (PXE) > > > ==Screen Shots of Boot== > Bootup: > http://tinyurl.com/lgb49 > > Uncompressing Linux (DHCP...Load vmlinuz.ltsp....Uncompressing Linux) > http://tinyurl.com/gvqc8 > > Running dhcpcd on Port 67 > http://tinyurl.com/qoj7h > > Error Message after Running dhcpcd on port 67. BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!... > http://tinyurl.com/fxywd > > ==Server== > /var/log/messages > Aug 10 06:13:53 server in.tftpd[2847]: tftp: client does not accept options > > I did a search on the kernel mailing list and all of the reports I saw on this they were using 3c59x ethernet cards, which I see you have as well. I have an older kernel (2.6.14 vs 2.6.17.3) that may work. Give this a spin: > wget ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/old-kernel/ltsp_i386-kernel-2.6.14-1.k12ltsp.4.4.2.i386.rpm > rpm -Uhv --oldpackage --nodeps ltsp_i386-kernel-2.6.14-1.k12ltsp.4.4.2.i386.rpm If that doesn't fix it, you can get back to the latest kernel with: yum install ltsp_i386-boot -Eric From jam at mcquil.com Fri Aug 11 17:52:03 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Dumb Sound Question In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0608110804g6705fb30o9876edbcb3058d34@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0608110735l14014517nd7a3a3c3b5e5fccf@mail.gmail.com> <44DC9884.90902@mesd.k12.or.us> <464c38cc0608110804g6705fb30o9876edbcb3058d34@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <38318.68.250.145.129.1155318723.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Fri, August 11, 2006 11:04 am, Timothy Hart wrote: > That is what I thought. But then why am I getting this error message. > > The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to control. > This > means either that you don't have the right GStreamer plugins installed, or > that you don't have a sound card configured. > > You can remove the volume control from the panel by right-clicking the > speaker icon on the panel and selecting "Remove From Panel" from the menu. > > Default install on K12LTSP 5 with esd activated. I am on a client from > disklessworkstations.com. I get the message when I click the volume icon > in > the top right. When I run the sound card detector it doesn't find > anything? You need an 'esd aware' mixer. The mixer in Gnome isn't. Also, don't expect the 'source card detector' to find a sound card in a thin client. It has no clue about things out on the network. It only can look at local stuff. Keep in mind that Audio on LTSP is still very rough. We haven't put the time into audio, like we have for Local block devices. ESD works for most, you'll just need to use a proper mixer, and you'll need to tell Gnome that your audio server is esd. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Fri Aug 11 20:13:54 2006 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:13:54 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP v5.0 (64bit) Client bootup problem In-Reply-To: <44DCBB81.4060409@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060811101354.ee8fd0bc@trunks> > I have an older kernel (2.6.14 vs 2.6.17.3) that may work. Give this a spin: > wget >ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/old-kernel/ltsp_i386-kernel-2.6.14-1.k12ltsp.4.4.2.i386.rpm > > > rpm -Uhv --oldpackage --nodeps > ltsp_i386-kernel-2.6.14-1.k12ltsp.4.4.2.i386.rpm > > If that doesn't fix it, you can get back to the latest kernel with: > > yum install ltsp_i386-boot > > -Eric We were able to fix the problem last night. We noticed that the Intel KU440 mobo's BIOS was version 3 on the ones that didnt boot so we updated them to the lastest version 9 and that did the trick. One other thing we noticed last night was clients thats had 32MB or less ram wouldnt open firefox or term. The app would just pop up and disappear. We ended up adding more ram and everything seemed fine. Was there that many changes from FC3/4 and FC5's K12LTSP that the clients needed more ram to run? Wilson From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Aug 11 23:27:25 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:27:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying fix?? In-Reply-To: <44DCB00F.9010804@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44D38F28.9060605@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44DCB00F.9010804@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <58BB0CE2-7146-4D2F-92C3-AEE62C6AB545@mindfirestudios.com> Doesn't the default setup (for K12LTSP, not FC in general) assume that ETH0 is internal when setting up DHCP and the other network devices?? And any ETH1 is external. I mean you can change that but it IS the default. On Aug 11, 2006, at 11:27 AM, Eric Harrison wrote: > Burke Almquist wrote: >> To me that makes more sense. Why would you be proxying traffic on the >> external interface?? > > > > I believe the logic went like this: > > 1) Is it 100% safe to assume that eth0 is the internal interface? > No. > 2) Is it 100% safe to have the redirect on all interfaces? Yes. > > therefore: it makes sense to have the redirect on all interfaces. > > > > You have presented an edge-case that proves assumption #2 to be > incorrect. > > That leaves us with the problem of finding a new way to mitigate > assumption #1 ;-) > > -Eric > From timothy.hart at gmail.com Sat Aug 12 00:21:21 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:21:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dumb Sound Question In-Reply-To: <44DCA5F2.8050206@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <464c38cc0608110735l14014517nd7a3a3c3b5e5fccf@mail.gmail.com> <44DC9884.90902@mesd.k12.or.us> <464c38cc0608110804g6705fb30o9876edbcb3058d34@mail.gmail.com> <1155310672.13795.25.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <464c38cc0608110842n7efb6e15j1bb8574455c0384c@mail.gmail.com> <44DCA5F2.8050206@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <464c38cc0608111721o52684511k5e0395c3d61ff749@mail.gmail.com> Well I ran gstreamer-properties. The test works when I set it to ESD. Totem and Rythmbox seem to work now. Helix still doesn' like it. That doesn't matter though, I don't use it. Just what my ogg files opened up in by default. Thanks for the help. Tim On 8/11/06, Dan Young < dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us> wrote: > > Timothy Hart wrote: > > It doesn't work on mine. Both Helix and Totem have errors. Helix says > > "Cannot open the audio device. Another application may be using it." and > > Totem says "Totem could not startup. Could not open resource for > writing." > > Hmmm > > Can you try setting the Audio Default Output Plugin to ESD in > gstreamer-properties? > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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After upgrading a lab working with no modifications from {whatever-the-release-was} 2.5 years ago, more than half my clients are not behaving well. The upgrade of choice was release 5. I have installed it twice and performed all the upgrades. The issues are the same before and after the upgrades. Issue One xf86MapVidMem: Coud no mmap framefubber (0xf5000000, 0x8000000) (Cannot allocate memory) Issue Two Some clients come up with the the bubbles and the new desktop. Some do not. Instead, they have desktops with no icons, and no icons can be added to the desktop. A few, not all, of the clients have the courtesy to inform me that "The application Nautilus quit unexpectedly" These same clients will not load Firefox. They will load Konqueror. They launch every other program in the applications menu. The clients with the bubbly desktop do everything quite nicely, though their screensaver is actually a window smaller than the desktop. I am not making any of this up. All but two of these are the black ibm units as seen here http://www.hosef.org/gallery2/v/installations/bgch-ewa/lineup2.jpg.html I do not know if their NICs or Video Cards or RAM configs differ. I just know the magic isn't there on this install, and this little doggy is gettin' away on me. BTW, another install of K12LTSP5 at a city park is perfect. Aloha --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/Executive Director The Hawai`i Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 2644 Ewa Beach, HI 96706 808.689.6518 phone/fax scott at hosef.org From thepiano at telenet.be Sat Aug 12 12:50:19 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:50:19 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Document Management - slight off topic Message-ID: Hello, we're searching for an open source implementation to share our documents between the campusses. What we really need are version control, chechout/in and different user groups. I've been googling for dms etc, but didn't find a good solution. Has anyone ideas how to solve this? Kindy regards, Kevin From petre at maltzen.net Sat Aug 12 14:55:33 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:55:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mouse cursor appears only for first login on console Message-ID: <44DDEBE5.1060009@maltzen.net> On my 5.0 test box, for which I just ran 'yum update' yesterday, after the server has booted up, I see the mouse cursor at the gdm greeter screen, and after I login, either as root or a regular user, I see it, too. But when I logout and am returned, the mouse cursor is gone. If I login, the cursor still doesn't appear, although it seems the mouse is working because if I get the 'invisible cursor' over, say, a menu, and click, the menu will drop down, and I can select items, etc. So, the problem is the cursor appears only for the first person to login on the server, but no subsequent logins. And this only happens on the server; no such problem on any of the clients. This is probably a FC5 issue more than an LTSP issue, but is anyone else seeing this? This box used to be a K12LTSP 4.x server and it ran flawlessly. TIA. Petre From neiffer at gmail.com Sat Aug 12 15:02:22 2006 From: neiffer at gmail.com (Jason Neiffer) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:02:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Document Management - slight off topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <993ff5300608120802i7fcd7646h9905e58e8ddbd778@mail.gmail.com> I am not sure if this is what you are looking for, but I have seen some very cool implementations of Knowledge Tree. http://www.ktdms.com/ Jason On 8/12/06, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > > Hello, > > we're searching for an open source implementation to share our > documents between the campusses. > What we really need are version control, chechout/in and different > user groups. > > I've been googling for dms etc, but didn't find a good solution. > Has anyone ideas how to solve this? > > Kindy regards, > > Kevin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jason Neiffer neiffer at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Works on any documents, simple for the users, enough features for our school to use. http://www.opendocman.com/ Kevin -- http://gentgeen.homelinux.org ############################################################# Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Sat Aug 12 19:27:49 2006 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:27:49 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Lingering Release Issues In-Reply-To: <44DDBFDC.2000609@hosef.org> Message-ID: <20060812092749.a6ecbfe9@trunks> > Issue One > > xf86MapVidMem: Coud no mmap framefubber (0xf5000000, 0x8000000) (Cannot > allocate memory) Have you tried flashing the BIOS to the newest release? This worked wonders for SJBS. :) > Issue Two > > Some clients come up with the the bubbles and the new desktop. Some do > not. Instead, they have desktops with no icons, and no icons can be > added to the desktop. A few, not all, of the clients have the courtesy > to inform me that "The application Nautilus quit unexpectedly" > > These same clients will not load Firefox. They will load Konqueror. > They launch every other program in the applications menu. I had the same issue with Firefox not staying alive on some clients. It turned out that the clients had bad memory or not enough memory. Try swapping out the mem with a working set to see if the problem goes away. -Wilosn From big at santaz.dk Sat Aug 12 20:06:38 2006 From: big at santaz.dk (Jesper Berth) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:06:38 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Pam_ldap.secret In-Reply-To: <20060811170249.GA8934@majen.net> References: <20060811154509.0A0A873662@hormel.redhat.com> <20060811170249.GA8934@majen.net> Message-ID: <44DE34CE.1080109@santaz.dk> Matt Oquist wrote: >>From: Jesper Berth >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Pam_ldap.secret (Jesper Berth) >> >> > > > >>>>On the client i have run the ./smbldap ubuntuclient >>>> >>>> >>>Don't run that. Run './smbldap ldapclient'. >>> >>> >>This worked on the server in first attempt, but i haven't run the >>./smbldap ubuntuclient here >> >> > >Er, you shouldn't ever have to run that on the server if you started >with './smbldap all'. > > > I did install with ./smbldap all ... I am running ubuntu 6.06 and the latest bleeding edge version of smbldap >>My client didn't work i got a lot of print() on closed filehandle LOG >>at smbldap-funcs.pm line 27 >> >> > >Granted, logging should fail more gracefully. Is your >smbldap-installer directory writeable? (By root?) > > I have reinstalled my ubuntu so i can't check on that > > >>see a screenshot here http://www.berthit.dk/205/pic.png >> >> > >Thanks! > > > >>>If the documentation site is out of date somewhere, please let me >>>know, or, better yet, let me know you've fixed it. :) >>> >>> >>the ./smbldap ubuntuclient text is here http://majen.net/smbldap/ >> >> > >OOPS and Sorry! Fixed now. > >What?!? I don't see it there... try dumping your browser cache. ;) > > > >>>Before you run 'ldapclient' since you've already done 'ubuntuclient', >>>do this: >>>$ apt-get remove --purge libpam-ldap libnss-ldap >>> >>> >>I tried this after i did the first run of ldapclient, but that didn't >>help i get the same print() errors again, and after a reboot i couldn't >>login, so i am reinstalling :-) >>It was only a test install, i will try again without running ubuntuclient >> >> > >I predict that it will work fine this time, as long as root can write >to your smbldap-installer directory. > > I installed using sudo .... It didn't work with a smbldap ldapclient i had to copy the libnss-ldap.conf to pam_ldap.conf make the pam_ldap.secret and chmod it to 600 And now it works perfectly :-) Cheers Jesper >-- >Open Source Software Engineering Consultant >http://majen.net/ > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From thepiano at telenet.be Sat Aug 12 21:24:41 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 23:24:41 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Document Management - slight off topic In-Reply-To: <20060812120815.6462c9d5@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060812120815.6462c9d5@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2F1E546A-348F-447A-8868-4C90DC9E6617@telenet.be> Is there any kind of these with a super user friendly interface? like i stumbled on Alfresco, is anyone using it? Kevin Op 12-aug-06, om 18:08 heeft Gentgeen het volgende geschreven: > On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:50:19 +0200 > Kevin Verheyen wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> we're searching for an open source implementation to share our >> documents between the campusses. >> What we really need are version control, chechout/in and different >> user groups. >> >> I've been googling for dms etc, but didn't find a good solution. >> Has anyone ideas how to solve this? >> >> Kindy regards, >> >> Kevin >> > > > I like OpenDocMan. Works on any documents, simple for the users, > enough > features for our school to use. > http://www.opendocman.com/ > > Kevin > > -- > http://gentgeen.homelinux.org > > ############################################################# > Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem > your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad > company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sat Aug 12 22:07:13 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 10:07:13 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Error: Gnome-Power-manager has quit unexpectedly In-Reply-To: <20060812011024.235caacf@trunks> References: <464c38cc0608111721o52684511k5e0395c3d61ff749@mail.gmail.com> <20060812011024.235caacf@trunks> Message-ID: I also have error messages related to power management quite frequently. ( K12LTSP5.0) On 12/08/06, Wilson Chan wrote: > > Anyone else getting this error in gnome? I tried setting my gnome power > management to never/never but that didnt work. Any ideas? Thanks! > > ==Screenshot of Error Message== > http://tinyurl.com/k8v44 > > > -Wilson > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Aug 12 22:58:53 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Lingering Release Issues In-Reply-To: <44DDBFDC.2000609@hosef.org> References: <44DDBFDC.2000609@hosef.org> Message-ID: try turning on swap, with LTSP 4.2 that is: LTSP_USE_NBD_SWAP=Y -Eric On Sat, 12 Aug 2006, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Aloha Folks > > Not unlike Wilson, my stalwart has come up lame on this latest upgrade. I > just can't figure it, so to speak. After upgrading a lab working with no > modifications from {whatever-the-release-was} 2.5 years ago, more than half my > clients are not behaving well. The upgrade of choice was release 5. I have > installed it twice and performed all the upgrades. The issues are the same > before and after the upgrades. > > Issue One > > xf86MapVidMem: Coud no mmap framefubber (0xf5000000, 0x8000000) (Cannot > allocate memory) > > Issue Two > > Some clients come up with the the bubbles and the new desktop. Some do not. > Instead, they have desktops with no icons, and no icons can be added to the > desktop. A few, not all, of the clients have the courtesy to inform me that > "The application Nautilus quit unexpectedly" > > These same clients will not load Firefox. They will load Konqueror. They > launch every other program in the applications menu. > > The clients with the bubbly desktop do everything quite nicely, though their > screensaver is actually a window smaller than the desktop. I am not making > any of this up. > > All but two of these are the black ibm units as seen here > > http://www.hosef.org/gallery2/v/installations/bgch-ewa/lineup2.jpg.html > > I do not know if their NICs or Video Cards or RAM configs differ. I just know > the magic isn't there on this install, and this little doggy is gettin' away > on me. > > BTW, another install of K12LTSP5 at a city park is perfect. > > Aloha > > --scott > -- > R. Scott Belford > Founder/Executive Director > The Hawai`i Open Source Education Foundation > PO Box 2644 > Ewa Beach, HI 96706 > 808.689.6518 phone/fax > scott at hosef.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Sat Aug 12 23:26:31 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:26:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Error: Gnome-Power-manager has quit unexpectedly In-Reply-To: References: <464c38cc0608111721o52684511k5e0395c3d61ff749@mail.gmail.com> <20060812011024.235caacf@trunks> Message-ID: On 8/12/06, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > I also have error messages related to power management quite frequently. ( > K12LTSP5.0) > > > On 12/08/06, Wilson Chan < wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com> wrote: > > > > Anyone else getting this error in gnome? I tried setting my gnome power > > management to never/never but that didnt work. Any ideas? Thanks! > > We had this same problem when we installed K12LTSP 5 for a large lab at NECC. Nick Wheeler fixed it for us as mentioned below: From: *Nicholas Wheeler * Mailed-By: *gmail.com*To: *Steve Hargadon * Date: *Jul 4, 2006 5:36 PM* Subject: *power management solutions - gnome-power-manager* Firstly, I stopped acpid. /etc/init.d/acpid stop as acpid and gnome-power-manager could be contending. To make this change permanent, I did: $ nvsysv and 'unchecked' the acpid option. OTHER: I have not done this yet, but if the problem is not fixed a quick-and-dirty fix is to simply make gnome-power- manager not run. The way to do this is, as root $ locate autostart | grep -i power | xargs -n1 rm That will delete all the gnome-power-manager.desktop files under the autostart folders for all users, and /usr/share/ gnome/autostart/gnome-power -manager.desktop This by no means does not fix the problem, but instead ignores it, which is just as good :o) -- Nicholas Wheeler Systems Administrator Development InfoStructure -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pbenson at embroiderynation.com Sat Aug 12 23:28:51 2006 From: pbenson at embroiderynation.com (Phil Benson) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:28:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Document Management - slight off topic In-Reply-To: <993ff5300608120802i7fcd7646h9905e58e8ddbd778@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200608122344.k7CNiGLi001629@mx3.redhat.com> I have used this and it is very easy to install and supports version control. Phil _____ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jason Neiffer Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 10:02 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Document Management - slight off topic I am not sure if this is what you are looking for, but I have seen some very cool implementations of Knowledge Tree. http://www.ktdms.com/ Jason On 8/12/06, Kevin Verheyen wrote: Hello, we're searching for an open source implementation to share our documents between the campusses. What we really need are version control, chechout/in and different user groups. I've been googling for dms etc, but didn't find a good solution. Has anyone ideas how to solve this? Kindy regards, Kevin _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Jason Neiffer neiffer at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Sun Aug 13 02:05:55 2006 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:05:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Vexira Anti-Virus & Central Command Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D784206467D1@hhpmail.media.local> I'm looking into alternate Windows A/V solutions, and one of those is Vexira's Anti-Virus (They have a deal that is $1 per system). I currently run Symantec Anti-Virus Corporate edition for about 150 systems. Any experiences with Vexira? Good, bad, how is the remote management and update of definitions and the software itself? Thanks! Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org From ckollars9 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 03:33:36 2006 From: ckollars9 at yahoo.com (Chuck Kollars) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] mp3 license? Message-ID: <20060813033336.13019.qmail@web60821.mail.yahoo.com> My students download lots and lots of music clips of questionable legitimacy. I'd like to teach them how to "check" the licensing ...including giving them whatever tools they need. - How do others handle licensing checks? - What suggestions do you have for my quest? tia! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From aimssda at cscoms.com Sun Aug 13 06:34:07 2006 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (Edwardson) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:34:07 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Hungs after a couple of minutes In-Reply-To: <20060812160017.1E6A573DF3@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060812160017.1E6A573DF3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44DEC7DF.3020005@cscoms.com> Hi, I just recently installed K12 5.0 on my Poweredge SC1425 server. The installation was smooth. But when i login, after a couple of minutes, it just hungs. Another Q: sometime before I visited a website (guide) about how to join an LTSP server on an Active Directory domain. Could somebody point me to the site? Please help, need this server for our new school year. Edward Thailand From timothy.hart at gmail.com Sun Aug 13 13:20:20 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:20:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] mp3 license? In-Reply-To: <20060813033336.13019.qmail@web60821.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060813033336.13019.qmail@web60821.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <464c38cc0608130620u7bd80fdbn83e2ff8171d76544@mail.gmail.com> I have usually gone in to a lesson on copyright, copyleft, and creative commons. Educate them about the issue and let them make their own choice. Let them know that the RIAA sues everybody and that they are not exempt. Tim On 8/12/06, Chuck Kollars wrote: > > My students download lots and lots of music clips of > questionable legitimacy. I'd like to teach them how to > "check" the licensing ...including giving them > whatever tools they need. > > - How do others handle licensing checks? > - What suggestions do you have for my quest? > > tia! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 17:02:45 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 10:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] rsyncing repositories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060813170245.24008.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the info. I've been playing around with the local repository and I have another question. Which of the 12 repositories in /etc/yum.repod.d/ can be replaced with my local one? I'm rsyncing k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-32bit-all/ and k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::webmin. I don't think that livna and freshrpms are on my local repository, but what about the various fedora repos? (fedora-core, fedora-extras, etc). I guess I really don't fully understand what is included in the K12LTSP-5.0.0-32bit-all module. -Rob --- Eric Harrison wrote: > On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Rob Owens wrote: > > > I've been trying to rsync the directory tree for > the > > purpose of doing network installs and updating my > > local machines. This is what I've been running in > my > > nightly cron job: > > > > rsync -Pav --exclude=iso > > k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/ ./ > > NOTE: now that 5.0.0 is out of testing, you'll want > to > update your URL. Such as: > > rsync -Pav --exclude=iso > k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-5.0.0-32bit-all/ . > > > This works well for http type network installs. > But I > > don't think I'm fully utilizing my local tree as > an > > update source. The only repo I've successfully > > pointed to my local rsync'd tree is the k12ltsp > repo. > > > > > > Can I point any of my other repos to my local > rsync'd > > tree? > > Put your local mirrors on a FTP or HTTP server, and > change your > /etc/yum.repo.d/*.repo files to point to them. For > example, you > have mirror K12LTSP-5.0.0-32bit-all to > /var/www/html/K12LTSP-5.0.0-32bit/ > on the server www.yourdomain.net. You would edit > /etc/yum.repo.d/k12ltsp.repo and change: > > > mirrorlist=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/mirrors/k12ltsp-5.0-$basearch > > to > > > baseurl=http://www.yourdomain.net/K12LTSP-5.0.0-32bit/ > > > > Also, the above rsync command doesn't seem to pick > up > > any webmin stuff. Is it possible for me to rsync > the > > webmin repository? > > > > Thanks for the help. > > I added webmin to K12LTSP's rsync: > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::webmin > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Sun Aug 13 20:44:13 2006 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 10:44:13 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP v5- What happened to Mtools? In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0608130620u7bd80fdbn83e2ff8171d76544@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060813104413.59cecc18@trunks> I installed a vanilla install of K12LTSP 64bit V5 but I dont see the familar Mtool's that our students use to transfer their files to the floppy drive? Has Mtools been replaced in V5? Let me know. Thanks! Wilson From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sun Aug 13 22:14:47 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:14:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Existing users and moving to LDAP Message-ID: <2206A16D-D6E4-473A-8F75-75D65C178BB3@mindfirestudios.com> I have a set of existing users that are currently setup as regular unix users and samba users using unix synchronization in Samba. I'm moving to LDAP and it looks easy to just bulk add them using the smbldap tools and then just delete them from the passwd, shadow, and group file (since they will be authing from LDAP now). The only problem is getting them to keep using the same userID; I don't see a way to specify a UID number in the bulk add. If I can keep the UID number and username the same, I'm going to have to go changing permissions on all the home dirs and shared folders, and that's going to be a pain. I don't mind changing the passwords, or re-adding the users, just as long as they can keep their username and UID number. Is there any way to do that? From cliebow at midmaine.com Sun Aug 13 22:43:02 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Existing users and moving to LDAP In-Reply-To: <2206A16D-D6E4-473A-8F75-75D65C178BB3@mindfirestudios.com> References: <2206A16D-D6E4-473A-8F75-75D65C178BB3@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <57347.70.33.151.214.1155508982.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> it'dbe better to write a little script that takes each user after creation in ldap and chown them.. From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sun Aug 13 23:57:07 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:57:07 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP v5- What happened to Mtools? In-Reply-To: <20060813104413.59cecc18@trunks> References: <464c38cc0608130620u7bd80fdbn83e2ff8171d76544@mail.gmail.com> <20060813104413.59cecc18@trunks> Message-ID: Floppies work straight from the desktop now. On 14/08/06, Wilson Chan wrote: > > I installed a vanilla install of K12LTSP 64bit V5 but I dont see the > familar Mtool's that our students use to transfer their files to the floppy > drive? Has Mtools been replaced in V5? Let me know. Thanks! > > Wilson > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moquist at majen.net Mon Aug 14 04:45:29 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:45:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] re: smbldap-install start from scratch. Really! (Robert Moskowitz) In-Reply-To: <20060812160017.00AC173DF2@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060812160017.00AC173DF2@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060814044528.GQ6734@majen.net> > Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:57:33 -0400 > From: "Robert Moskowitz" > Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-install start from scratch. Really! > smbd and nmbd are up and running. > > So what do I do before I kick off the script. Nothing; it's designed to work even on a totally fresh OS installation, without *any* of the packages installed. (i.e., a "bare bones" installation without graphics or any servers, etc.) One of the first things the script will do is turn off smbd and nmbd. :) It *should* (in theory; I guess I've never tested this) work fine just to blow away everything under /var/lib/ldap/ and run the script; all the relevant config files will be backed up and overwritten, and a new database will be created. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Aug 14 05:52:08 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP v5- What happened to Mtools? In-Reply-To: <20060813104413.59cecc18@trunks> References: <20060813104413.59cecc18@trunks> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Aug 2006, Wilson Chan wrote: > I installed a vanilla install of K12LTSP 64bit V5 but I dont see the > familar Mtool's that our students use to transfer their files to the > floppy drive? Has Mtools been replaced in V5? Let me know. Thanks! K12LTSP v5 has new-and-much-improved removable media support, thanks to LTSP 4.2: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42#New_features_of_LTSP_4_2 * Redesigned local device support based on ltspfs and lbus. Currently, USB Memory sticks, USB CDRom, IDE CDrom and floppy drives are supported. With local devices enabled, when you insert a memory stick or a CDRom, an Icon appears on the desktop that is browseable. Remove the memory stick or CDrom, and the icon disappears. -Eric From fnjordy at gmail.com Mon Aug 14 08:38:40 2006 From: fnjordy at gmail.com (Steven McCoy) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:38:40 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] directory server for authenticating LTSP clients Message-ID: <856cdecb0608140138r60964749hd540673a3fedcdd6@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I have created an appliance called miru directory server that can be installed on a generic PC or embedded system like PC Engines WRAP. It uses Samba 4 TP2 ontop of FreeBSD 6.1 and is simlar to m0n0wall, FreeNAS, and pfSense. About a 12MB download for the entire system, a slightly larger 526MB package includes four virtual machines that can be used to demonstrate Ubuntu LTSP server together with Ubuntu MueKow client both diskless booting from a TFTP and DHCP server on the miru directory server appliance and all operating system files and home directories stored on a NAS appliance, in this demo using FreeNAS. http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/miru_directory_server Unfortunately I do not have a demo with K12LTSP, but RedHat Fedora can be configured similarly to Ubuntu for administering a user database. Its all configurable via a web interface, the Samba configuration and databases are generated at boot from one XML configuration file which also configures the rest of the system. I chose Samba 4 as it should be simpler to use than Samba 3 + OpenLDAP and more compatible than a straight NIS or Kerberos 5 database. All the details should be available on the wiki, including screenshots of every web page. Ideally it should be able to manage users who login into Windows 2003 Terminal Server as well but I do not have access to a copy and have limited knowledge of using Microsoft Active Directory :( One caveat with the demo, I set the default language to be Hong Kong Cantonese, this can be easily changed with the server GDM options. :-) I hope this might be of use to schools and small organisations as an alternative to running a separate server or running and configuring the user database on the same machine as the terminal server. The embedded server I am using from PC Engines is a similar price to one diskless workstation, about $200. -- Steve-o -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Aug 14 15:31:15 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 08:31:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Error: Gnome-Power-manager has quit unexpectedly In-Reply-To: References: <464c38cc0608111721o52684511k5e0395c3d61ff749@mail.gmail.com> <20060812011024.235caacf@trunks> Message-ID: <44E09743.3040007@mesd.k12.or.us> Steve Hargadon wrote: > On 8/12/06, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: >> >> I also have error messages related to power management quite >> frequently. ( >> K12LTSP5.0) >> >> >> On 12/08/06, Wilson Chan < wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com> wrote: >> > >> > Anyone else getting this error in gnome? I tried setting my gnome power >> > management to never/never but that didnt work. Any ideas? Thanks! >> >> > We had this same problem when we installed K12LTSP 5 for a large lab at > NECC. Nick Wheeler fixed it for us as mentioned below: > > From: *Nicholas Wheeler * Mailed-By: > *gmail.com*To: *Steve > Hargadon * > Date: *Jul 4, 2006 5:36 PM* > Subject: *power management solutions - gnome-power-manager* > > Firstly, I stopped acpid. > > /etc/init.d/acpid stop > > as acpid and gnome-power-manager could be contending. > > To make this change permanent, I did: > > $ nvsysv Should be "ntsysv", or alternatively: chkconfig acpid off ;-) > and 'unchecked' the acpid option. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From lists.john at gmail.com Mon Aug 14 16:31:41 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:31:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] extracting user info from Active Directory and stuffing them into LDAP? Message-ID: <2be970b50608140931j391b1febo23615ec8a3f597d8@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I'd like to extract my username and password info from Active Directory and import them into LDAP can anyone point me to good resources for this or share caveats? I have sort of given up on winbind and samba as a viable tool for making single source authentication happen. I am hoping I am getting on the right track with this idea. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timothy.hart at gmail.com Mon Aug 14 16:55:35 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:55:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OOo Print Message-ID: <464c38cc0608140955s2890550fs54040f5392ac490d@mail.gmail.com> Ok I give up. How do I get OOo to print in K12LTSP 5? Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarar at gmail.com Mon Aug 14 17:04:39 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:34:39 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] OOo Print In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0608140955s2890550fs54040f5392ac490d@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0608140955s2890550fs54040f5392ac490d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <774593a20608141004t51d41c06y6dfc0511f6140e7@mail.gmail.com> On 14/08/06, Timothy Hart wrote: > Ok I give up. How do I get OOo to print in K12LTSP 5? > ????!!!! Can you describe what have you done till now? Usually it is matter of setting up a printer (on the server or on client) and then just choosing that printer from the File>Print menu of OOo. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From cliebow at midmaine.com Mon Aug 14 17:18:06 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] extracting user info from Active Directory and stuffing them into LDAP? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50608140931j391b1febo23615ec8a3f597d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50608140931j391b1febo23615ec8a3f597d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <54004.169.244.70.146.1155575886.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> you wont find any pws in active directory when you export it with ldifde..they are in a kerberos parallel universe.. i set a default pw and force pw change at first login..dtrask sets up a random pw and passes out index cards.. Yu are on the right track surely > Hi all, > > I'd like to extract my username and password info from Active Directory > and > import them into LDAP can anyone point me to good resources for this or > share caveats? I have sort of given up on winbind and samba as a viable > tool > for making single source authentication happen. I am hoping I am getting > on > the right track with this idea. > > John > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From timothy.hart at gmail.com Mon Aug 14 17:14:29 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:14:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OOo Print In-Reply-To: <774593a20608141004t51d41c06y6dfc0511f6140e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0608140955s2890550fs54040f5392ac490d@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20608141004t51d41c06y6dfc0511f6140e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <464c38cc0608141014u67eb14b3mec853adf09050f6@mail.gmail.com> Sorry. I have set the printer up by going to System > Administration > Printing. Then set up a printer. I see now that I can not print to the printer from any application. It is a networked printer and has a static IP on my network. I have CUPS and JetDirect. No luck. Tim On 8/14/06, Sudev Barar wrote: > > On 14/08/06, Timothy Hart wrote: > > Ok I give up. How do I get OOo to print in K12LTSP 5? > > > > ????!!!! > > Can you describe what have you done till now? > Usually it is matter of setting up a printer (on the server or on > client) and then just choosing that printer from the File>Print menu > of OOo. > > -- > Regards, > Sudev Barar > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Aug 14 17:20:43 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:20:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OOo Print In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0608141014u67eb14b3mec853adf09050f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0608140955s2890550fs54040f5392ac490d@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20608141004t51d41c06y6dfc0511f6140e7@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0608141014u67eb14b3mec853adf09050f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560608141020s7671d04ax92a7744a66d48b47@mail.gmail.com> try /sbin/service cups restart and see if it shows up in your apps. Peter On 8/14/06, Timothy Hart wrote: > Sorry. I have set the printer up by going to System > Administration > > Printing. Then set up a printer. I see now that I can not print to the > printer from any application. It is a networked printer and has a static IP > on my network. I have CUPS and JetDirect. No luck. > > Tim > > > On 8/14/06, Sudev Barar wrote: > > On 14/08/06, Timothy Hart wrote: > > > Ok I give up. How do I get OOo to print in K12LTSP 5? > > > > > > > ????!!!! > > > > Can you describe what have you done till now? > > Usually it is matter of setting up a printer (on the server or on > > client) and then just choosing that printer from the File>Print menu > > of OOo. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Sudev Barar > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Aug 14 17:23:08 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:23:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OOo Print In-Reply-To: <9bd317560608141020s7671d04ax92a7744a66d48b47@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0608140955s2890550fs54040f5392ac490d@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20608141004t51d41c06y6dfc0511f6140e7@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0608141014u67eb14b3mec853adf09050f6@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560608141020s7671d04ax92a7744a66d48b47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560608141023h20766846kf74d50df3f80d427@mail.gmail.com> by the way I'm unclear as to whether it's not available or just not working. my last post was assuming the former. if the latter was the cups test page successful? Peter On 8/14/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > try /sbin/service cups restart and see if it shows up in your apps. > > Peter > > On 8/14/06, Timothy Hart wrote: > > Sorry. I have set the printer up by going to System > Administration > > > Printing. Then set up a printer. I see now that I can not print to the > > printer from any application. It is a networked printer and has a static IP > > on my network. I have CUPS and JetDirect. No luck. > > > > Tim > > > > > > On 8/14/06, Sudev Barar wrote: > > > On 14/08/06, Timothy Hart wrote: > > > > Ok I give up. How do I get OOo to print in K12LTSP 5? > > > > > > > > > > ????!!!! > > > > > > Can you describe what have you done till now? > > > Usually it is matter of setting up a printer (on the server or on > > > client) and then just choosing that printer from the File>Print menu > > > of OOo. > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > Sudev Barar > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > From timothy.hart at gmail.com Mon Aug 14 17:26:41 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:26:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OOo Print In-Reply-To: <9bd317560608141020s7671d04ax92a7744a66d48b47@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0608140955s2890550fs54040f5392ac490d@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20608141004t51d41c06y6dfc0511f6140e7@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0608141014u67eb14b3mec853adf09050f6@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560608141020s7671d04ax92a7744a66d48b47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <464c38cc0608141026g41f1d9ebq8b332ac0e915cf60@mail.gmail.com> Nope. I should also mention it fails on the test print as well. The job just sits there in the queue. Should my path be /printer/queue1? On 8/14/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > try /sbin/service cups restart and see if it shows up in your apps. > > Peter > > On 8/14/06, Timothy Hart wrote: > > Sorry. I have set the printer up by going to System > Administration > > > Printing. Then set up a printer. I see now that I can not print to the > > printer from any application. It is a networked printer and has a static > IP > > on my network. I have CUPS and JetDirect. No luck. > > > > Tim > > > > > > On 8/14/06, Sudev Barar wrote: > > > On 14/08/06, Timothy Hart wrote: > > > > Ok I give up. How do I get OOo to print in K12LTSP 5? > > > > > > > > > > ????!!!! > > > > > > Can you describe what have you done till now? > > > Usually it is matter of setting up a printer (on the server or on > > > client) and then just choosing that printer from the File>Print menu > > > of OOo. > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > Sudev Barar > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgough at papcs.com Mon Aug 14 17:02:12 2006 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:02:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] extracting user info from Active Directory and stuffing them into LDAP? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50608140931j391b1febo23615ec8a3f597d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You can use Active Directory as your LDAP server. You don?t have to extract the data and put it in another LDAP server. However, you don?t get any of the nifty home directory stuff that you will if you get winbind/samba working. On 8/14/06 9:31 AM, "john" wrote: > Hi all, > > I'd like to extract my username and password info from Active Directory and > import them into LDAP can anyone point me to good resources for this or share > caveats? I have sort of given up on winbind and samba as a viable tool for > making single source authentication happen. I am hoping I am getting on the > right track with this idea. > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Mon Aug 14 17:43:58 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:43:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - looking for some scipting help Message-ID: <20060814134358.19ea5d6d@localhost.localdomain> I know this is not LTSP specific, but I figure with the audience, someone out there has had to do this before, so I thought I would try it here. This year, I am setting up a wiki (DokuWiki) as our "teachers toolbox". I have everything set, but now I need to add some 100+ teachers to the authenication file. And since Doku does not have a "batch" add, I am hoping I can do it by a script instead of added each one by hand. I currently have a CSV sheet with all necessary info, except the password. The password has to be an md5sum has. So right now my CSV sheet looks something like this: username,password,RealName,email,roll admin,,Admin,ksquire at pavcs.org,admin I know that "echo -n PASSWORD | md5sum" will output the password to the command line. The password and the username will be the same for inital login, so I just need to get column 1 read to md5sum, and then have that output written to column 2. Then repeat until it gets to the end of the file. The only spaces in the file would be in the "Real Name" section (if that helps any). the DokuWiki User file uses the same format, except the commas are colons, but that part I can get :-) Anyone? I thank you in advance for your time. -- http://gentgeen.homelinux.org ############################################################# Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From lists at paulandmichelle.net Mon Aug 14 17:54:40 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:54:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - looking for some scipting help In-Reply-To: <20060814134358.19ea5d6d@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060814175440.06DEB4905BB@ephesus.modevia.com> If you have a central user database why authenticate against that instead? At my day job I've done dokuwiki against Active Directory so I'm sure you could do LDAP, or a linux system user directory. That would probably be the easiest solution. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Gentgeen Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 12:44 PM To: K12LTSP Subject: [K12OSN] OT - looking for some scipting help I know this is not LTSP specific, but I figure with the audience, someone out there has had to do this before, so I thought I would try it here. This year, I am setting up a wiki (DokuWiki) as our "teachers toolbox". I have everything set, but now I need to add some 100+ teachers to the authenication file. And since Doku does not have a "batch" add, I am hoping I can do it by a script instead of added each one by hand. I currently have a CSV sheet with all necessary info, except the password. The password has to be an md5sum has. So right now my CSV sheet looks something like this: username,password,RealName,email,roll admin,,Admin,ksquire at pavcs.org,admin I know that "echo -n PASSWORD | md5sum" will output the password to the command line. The password and the username will be the same for inital login, so I just need to get column 1 read to md5sum, and then have that output written to column 2. Then repeat until it gets to the end of the file. The only spaces in the file would be in the "Real Name" section (if that helps any). the DokuWiki User file uses the same format, except the commas are colons, but that part I can get :-) Anyone? I thank you in advance for your time. -- http://gentgeen.homelinux.org ############################################################# Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Mon Aug 14 18:17:43 2006 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:17:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up chooser on 5.0? Message-ID: <44E0BE47.2010006@stmarys-school.org> Hello, We are getting ready to upgrade to 5.0 Does anyone know if there is anything we need to be aware of in 5.0 in regards to setting up the chooser as outlined in the wiki? http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AXdmChooser Has any tested out Matt Oquist's load balancing method? Thanks, John From lists.john at gmail.com Mon Aug 14 18:33:41 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:33:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] extracting user info from Active Directory and stuffing them into LDAP? In-Reply-To: References: <2be970b50608140931j391b1febo23615ec8a3f597d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50608141133k79d4dfaco784f3c02d061dfe9@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to both of you for the replies! Doug when you say I can use AD as the LDAP server are you talking about the route where SFU is added to AD to allow auth by posix/*nix clients? I've been looking that over. Is there a nice howto anywhere? I've found some rather general ones. I've been in Winbind hell so long I fear to go there again. Can you elaborate on some of the goodies that I will be missing out on if I don't go that route? Thanks again! John On 8/14/06, Doug Gough wrote: > > You can use Active Directory as your LDAP server. You don't have to > extract the data and put it in another LDAP server. However, you don't get > any of the nifty home directory stuff that you will if you get winbind/samba > working. > > > > On 8/14/06 9:31 AM, "john" wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'd like to extract my username and password info from Active Directory > and import them into LDAP can anyone point me to good resources for this or > share caveats? I have sort of given up on winbind and samba as a viable tool > for making single source authentication happen. 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URL: From scott at remc1.org Mon Aug 14 18:51:14 2006 From: scott at remc1.org (Scott Sherrill) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:51:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - looking for some scipting help In-Reply-To: <20060814134358.19ea5d6d@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060814134358.19ea5d6d@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44E0C622.1010405@remc1.org> > Anyone? > > I thank you in advance for your time. > > try it before you use it ;-) Change file.csv to the name of the file #!/usr/bin/perl open (DATA, "cat ./file.csv | "); while() { ($userid,$rest) = split (/,/$_,2); $pass = `echo -n $userid | md5sum | cut -d" " -f1`; print "$userid,$pass"; } close(); From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Aug 14 19:08:04 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:08:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OOo Print In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0608141026g41f1d9ebq8b332ac0e915cf60@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0608140955s2890550fs54040f5392ac490d@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20608141004t51d41c06y6dfc0511f6140e7@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0608141014u67eb14b3mec853adf09050f6@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560608141020s7671d04ax92a7744a66d48b47@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0608141026g41f1d9ebq8b332ac0e915cf60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560608141208j3984330end36122c083523d9a@mail.gmail.com> > Nope. I should also mention it fails on the test print as well. The job just > sits there in the queue. check linuxprinting.org to to see if your printer is supported and what the recommended driver is. if you have it try it out or try using postscript. P On 8/14/06, Timothy Hart wrote: > Nope. I should also mention it fails on the test print as well. The job just > sits there in the queue. Should my path be /printer/queue1? > > > On 8/14/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > try /sbin/service cups restart and see if it shows up in your apps. > > > > Peter > > > > On 8/14/06, Timothy Hart wrote: > > > Sorry. I have set the printer up by going to System > Administration > > > > Printing. Then set up a printer. I see now that I can not print to the > > > printer from any application. It is a networked printer and has a static > IP > > > on my network. I have CUPS and JetDirect. No luck. > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > On 8/14/06, Sudev Barar wrote: > > > > On 14/08/06, Timothy Hart < timothy.hart at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Ok I give up. How do I get OOo to print in K12LTSP 5? > > > > > > > > > > > > > ????!!!! > > > > > > > > Can you describe what have you done till now? > > > > Usually it is matter of setting up a printer (on the server or on > > > > client) and then just choosing that printer from the File>Print menu > > > > of OOo. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > Sudev Barar > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Mon Aug 14 19:33:33 2006 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:33:33 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Error: Gnome-Power-manager has quit unexpectedly In-Reply-To: <44E09743.3040007@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060814093333.e78c40b8@trunks> > > To make this change permanent, I did: > > > > $ nvsysv > > Should be "ntsysv", or alternatively: > chkconfig acpid off If I turn off acpid will this affect my APC UPS backup battery connected via USB? Im running APCUPSD to monitor/shutdown the server. Thanks! Wilson From karisue at gmail.com Mon Aug 14 19:24:46 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:24:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OOo Print In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0608141014u67eb14b3mec853adf09050f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0608140955s2890550fs54040f5392ac490d@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20608141004t51d41c06y6dfc0511f6140e7@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0608141014u67eb14b3mec853adf09050f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I couldn't get a test print out of CUPS; when I set up the printer with the Unix option, it worked fine. Hope that fixes your problem as well. Just out of curiosity, what kind of printer? kari On 8/14/06, Timothy Hart wrote: > > Sorry. I have set the printer up by going to System > Administration > > Printing. Then set up a printer. I see now that I can not print to the > printer from any application. It is a networked printer and has a static IP > on my network. I have CUPS and JetDirect. No luck. > > Tim > > > On 8/14/06, Sudev Barar wrote: > > > > On 14/08/06, Timothy Hart wrote: > > > Ok I give up. How do I get OOo to print in K12LTSP 5? > > > > > > > ????!!!! > > > > Can you describe what have you done till now? > > Usually it is matter of setting up a printer (on the server or on > > client) and then just choosing that printer from the File>Print menu > > of OOo. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Sudev Barar > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- *-*-*-*-*-* blog.karimatthews.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kinney III) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:42:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Error: Gnome-Power-manager has quit unexpectedly In-Reply-To: <20060814093333.e78c40b8@trunks> References: <20060814093333.e78c40b8@trunks> Message-ID: <1155584578.13795.167.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Mon, 2006-08-14 at 09:33 -1000, Wilson Chan wrote: > > > To make this change permanent, I did: > > > > > > $ nvsysv > > > > Should be "ntsysv", or alternatively: > > chkconfig acpid off > > If I turn off acpid will this affect my APC UPS backup battery connected via USB? Im running APCUPSD to monitor/shutdown the server. Thanks! > > This will NOT affect the UPS operations. > Wilson > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. 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If not, don't beat yourself up > over it. > Sorry Kevin I did it off the cuff and wrote it in email (except the md5sum line I did try that one first). There is a problem on the split line should be split (/,/,$_,2); I missed a comma. Also line 10 should be close(DATA); Sorry. A lesson boys and girls about coding in email w/o trying the script first ;-) Scott From lists at paulandmichelle.net Tue Aug 15 03:17:25 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:17:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] home directory listing for teachers Message-ID: <20060815031704.40FAC490355@ephesus.modevia.com> Hello all, So I guess this would be an easy question for you linux veterans out there. but it's really stumping me as I don't have to use linux every day. I'm trying to setup a way for the teachers to get access to the students home directories. Currently they are all located in "/home/username/". They currently have default permissions of 700 and owned by "username:gradegroup". I currently have smbldap setup and working. Ideally I'd love to setup a samba share for the teachers. It would list folders for each grade (five, six, etc.), then inside those folders list the users home folders and allow the teachers to go in and read/write/delete, etc. I have no idea how to make that happen... we'll I have an idea, but I doubt it's correct. I was going to change the ownership of the home directories for the kids... "username:teachergroup" and chmod it to 770. Then a softlink share in samba would show all the users home directories. But it doesn't let me break it up by gradegroup. What are your thoughts on this? Is there a better way to do what I want to accomplish? I look forward to hearing your wisdom!! Thanks, Paul From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Aug 15 04:01:53 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:31:53 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] home directory listing for teachers In-Reply-To: <20060815031704.40FAC490355@ephesus.modevia.com> References: <20060815031704.40FAC490355@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <774593a20608142101p38c45916k96cad91e6e89b0f5@mail.gmail.com> On 15/08/06, Paul Lemke wrote: > I was going to change the ownership of the home directories for the kids... > "username:teachergroup" and chmod it to 770. Then a softlink share in samba > would show all the users home directories. But it doesn't let me break it up > by gradegroup. > Taking a swipe at this.... Make /home/grade1, /home/grade2 etc. under which make users of each grade. Now make groups grade1 grade2 ... and make teachers of each grade part of that group. Then directory permission with user:gradegroup should do the job. Trick is to set sticky bit so that the group ownership is automatically attached to all files created in subdirectories. HTH -- Regards, Sudev Barar From karisue at gmail.com Tue Aug 15 04:07:11 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:07:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] home directory listing for teachers In-Reply-To: <774593a20608142101p38c45916k96cad91e6e89b0f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060815031704.40FAC490355@ephesus.modevia.com> <774593a20608142101p38c45916k96cad91e6e89b0f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Is there an automated way to graduate students from one directory to the next between school years with this method? Just curious. ~kari On 8/14/06, Sudev Barar wrote: > > On 15/08/06, Paul Lemke wrote: > > I was going to change the ownership of the home directories for the > kids... > > "username:teachergroup" and chmod it to 770. Then a softlink share in > samba > > would show all the users home directories. But it doesn't let me break > it up > > by gradegroup. > > > > Taking a swipe at this.... > Make /home/grade1, /home/grade2 etc. under which make users of each > grade. Now make groups grade1 grade2 ... and make teachers of each > grade part of that group. Then directory permission with > user:gradegroup should do the job. Trick is to set sticky bit so that > the group ownership is automatically attached to all files created in > subdirectories. > > HTH > -- > Regards, > Sudev Barar > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- *-*-*-*-*-* blog.karimatthews.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at hosef.org Tue Aug 15 04:40:34 2006 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:40:34 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Lingering Release Issues In-Reply-To: References: <44DDBFDC.2000609@hosef.org> Message-ID: <44E15042.6090707@hosef.org> Eric Harrison wrote: > > > try turning on swap, with LTSP 4.2 that is: > > LTSP_USE_NBD_SWAP=Y > > -Eric I have added this line to my lts.conf file. I am using K12LTSP5. If I have added this correctly, then all of our problems persist. Are there any other suggestions? I can downgrade to 4.2, but this seems the antithesis of what we are trying to achieve. Adding RAM to our clients is the antithesis of what we are trying to achieve. In my mind, if it works in one release, it should work in the next. If newer releases are going to demand more resources of the clients, then we will not be able to follow the new releases as we advocate for the use of older computers as thin clients. --scott From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Aug 15 04:55:44 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:55:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Lingering Release Issues In-Reply-To: <44E15042.6090707@hosef.org> References: <44DDBFDC.2000609@hosef.org> <44E15042.6090707@hosef.org> Message-ID: <9bd317560608142155k14c19873yb5d1ef2f18c5fe11@mail.gmail.com> I thought ltsp4.2 was supposed to have 7MB less residing in ram. Peter On 8/15/06, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > > > try turning on swap, with LTSP 4.2 that is: > > > > LTSP_USE_NBD_SWAP=Y > > > > -Eric > > I have added this line to my lts.conf file. I am using K12LTSP5. If I > have added this correctly, then all of our problems persist. Are there > any other suggestions? > > I can downgrade to 4.2, but this seems the antithesis of what we are > trying to achieve. Adding RAM to our clients is the antithesis of what > we are trying to achieve. In my mind, if it works in one release, it > should work in the next. If newer releases are going to demand more > resources of the clients, then we will not be able to follow the new > releases as we advocate for the use of older computers as thin clients. > > --scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 15 05:12:19 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Lingering Release Issues In-Reply-To: <9bd317560608142155k14c19873yb5d1ef2f18c5fe11@mail.gmail.com> References: <44DDBFDC.2000609@hosef.org> <44E15042.6090707@hosef.org> <9bd317560608142155k14c19873yb5d1ef2f18c5fe11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I thought ltsp4.2 was supposed to have 7MB less residing in ram. > > Peter Yes, in theory there should be LESS ram usage. But it was also mentioned that this was a fairly old server (2.5 years old)... depending on exactly what was installed and how it was used, it could have required less memory on the terminals. I did a search for the error message that was posted and didn't come up with anything... I just checked again and there was a typo in the bug report that I didn't catch (sucks being dyslexic ;-), I got a few hits this time. Scott: the only errors I can find that are similar to this are for Alpha servers (I'm sure you are not using those for terminals!), for the old XFree86 3.x drivers (used 2.5 years ago, but not in K12LTSP 5), and one reference to the i810 problems we had in the very early betas. The fix for the i810 chipsets in the early betas was to specify the vesa driver: XSERVER = vesa and later we found that it worked better to remove that line and to specify a specific amount of memory used for video: XVIDRAM="VideoRam 4096" if that *still* doesn't work, try dropping it down to 2 megs: XVIDRAM="VideoRam 2048" Please post your findings and if possible please post exactly what hardware is in the terminals that are not functioning properly. -Eric > On 8/15/06, R. Scott Belford wrote: >> Eric Harrison wrote: >> > >> > >> > try turning on swap, with LTSP 4.2 that is: >> > >> > LTSP_USE_NBD_SWAP=Y >> > >> > -Eric >> >> I have added this line to my lts.conf file. I am using K12LTSP5. If I >> have added this correctly, then all of our problems persist. Are there >> any other suggestions? >> >> I can downgrade to 4.2, but this seems the antithesis of what we are >> trying to achieve. Adding RAM to our clients is the antithesis of what >> we are trying to achieve. In my mind, if it works in one release, it >> should work in the next. If newer releases are going to demand more >> resources of the clients, then we will not be able to follow the new >> releases as we advocate for the use of older computers as thin clients. >> >> --scott >> From nathan at grandvache.com Tue Aug 15 05:29:07 2006 From: nathan at grandvache.com (Nathan Shaffer) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:29:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0 yum problems Message-ID: <2CEF98E7-3DEB-4450-9498-E1405A5662AC@grandvache.com> I just installed 5.0. Terminals booted with no problems. Everything seems to work great with the exception of YUM. Not being that familiar with the inner workings of YUM, I keep getting an error message whenever I try to YUM something. ( yum has seemed in the past to "just work") http://macromedia.mplug.org/rpm/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum Trying other mirror. Error: failure: repodata/primary.xml.gz from macromedia: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. Any suggestions. Thanks, Nathan Shaffer St John the Apostle Catholic School Oregon City, OR nshaffer at sja.pvt.k12.or.us From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 15 05:31:31 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Lingering Release Issues In-Reply-To: <44DDBFDC.2000609@hosef.org> References: <44DDBFDC.2000609@hosef.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Aug 2006, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Issue Two > > Some clients come up with the the bubbles and the new desktop. Some do not. > Instead, they have desktops with no icons, and no icons can be added to the > desktop. A few, not all, of the clients have the courtesy to inform me that > "The application Nautilus quit unexpectedly" > > These same clients will not load Firefox. They will load Konqueror. They > launch every other program in the applications menu. Is this on a per-terminal or a per-user basis? Since this you are upgrading several major versions, I would not be shocked if some users have custom desktop settings that cause them problems. First thing I would do is drop the server down to single user mode (open up a terminal and type "telinit 1") - NOTE: this will boot EVERYONE off the server. From the shell, cd to /tmp/ and clean it out, make sure you remove all of the ".*" files as well. Reboot when you are done. If you are still having problems, have the user select the "Reset your desktop" session when they are logging in. This will delete all of their custom desktop settings and install the defaults... -Eric From jam at mcquil.com Tue Aug 15 05:32:55 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 01:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Lingering Release Issues In-Reply-To: <44E15042.6090707@hosef.org> References: <44DDBFDC.2000609@hosef.org> <44E15042.6090707@hosef.org> Message-ID: <44902.70.198.245.193.1155619975.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Tue, August 15, 2006 12:40 am, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> >> try turning on swap, with LTSP 4.2 that is: >> >> LTSP_USE_NBD_SWAP=Y You've got it spelled incorrectly. It should be: USE_NBD_SWAP = Y Drop the leading 'LTSP_'. Also, you'll need to make sure the ltspswapd is running on the server. I'm not sure if Eric has that configured to automatically start in k12ltsp. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org >> >> -Eric > > I have added this line to my lts.conf file. I am using K12LTSP5. If I > have added this correctly, then all of our problems persist. Are there > any other suggestions? > > I can downgrade to 4.2, but this seems the antithesis of what we are > trying to achieve. Adding RAM to our clients is the antithesis of what > we are trying to achieve. In my mind, if it works in one release, it > should work in the next. If newer releases are going to demand more > resources of the clients, then we will not be able to follow the new > releases as we advocate for the use of older computers as thin clients. > > --scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 15 05:35:14 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 5.0 yum problems In-Reply-To: <2CEF98E7-3DEB-4450-9498-E1405A5662AC@grandvache.com> References: <2CEF98E7-3DEB-4450-9498-E1405A5662AC@grandvache.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Aug 2006, Nathan Shaffer wrote: > I just installed 5.0. Terminals booted with no problems. Everything seems to > work great with the exception of YUM. Not being that familiar with the inner > workings of YUM, I keep getting an error message whenever I try to YUM > something. ( yum has seemed in the past to "just work") > > http://macromedia.mplug.org/rpm/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno -1] Metadata > file does not match checksum > Trying other mirror. > Error: failure: repodata/primary.xml.gz from macromedia: [Errno 256] No more > mirrors to try. > > Any suggestions. Try running this command: yum clean all and then re-try your original yum command. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Aug 15 05:39:01 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Lingering Release Issues In-Reply-To: <44902.70.198.245.193.1155619975.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> References: <44DDBFDC.2000609@hosef.org> <44E15042.6090707@hosef.org> <44902.70.198.245.193.1155619975.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, Jim McQuillan wrote: > On Tue, August 15, 2006 12:40 am, R. Scott Belford wrote: >> Eric Harrison wrote: >>> >>> >>> try turning on swap, with LTSP 4.2 that is: >>> >>> LTSP_USE_NBD_SWAP=Y > > You've got it spelled incorrectly. > > It should be: > > USE_NBD_SWAP = Y > > Drop the leading 'LTSP_'. Doh! I must have ran "set | grep SWAP" & cut-and-pasted the output, which as you note gives the wrong answer :-( Thanks for catching that Jim! > Also, you'll need to make sure the ltspswapd is running on the server. > I'm not sure if Eric has that configured to automatically start in > k12ltsp. Yes, ltspswapd should be running by default. -Eric From steven at simplycircus.com Tue Aug 15 04:45:17 2006 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:45:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] home directory listing for teachers In-Reply-To: <20060815031704.40FAC490355@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: I think if you set permissions to 770 it should do the trick. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: PO BOX 620753 Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 781-799-4938 eFax: 309-214-0899 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Paul Lemke > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 11:17 PM > To: 'Support list for open source software in schools.' > Subject: [K12OSN] home directory listing for teachers > > > Hello all, > So I guess this would be an easy question for you linux veterans > out there. > but it's really stumping me as I don't have to use linux every day. > > I'm trying to setup a way for the teachers to get access to the students > home directories. Currently they are all located in > "/home/username/". They > currently have default permissions of 700 and owned by > "username:gradegroup". I currently have smbldap setup and working. > > Ideally I'd love to setup a samba share for the teachers. It would list > folders for each grade (five, six, etc.), then inside those > folders list the > users home folders and allow the teachers to go in and read/write/delete, > etc. > > I have no idea how to make that happen... we'll I have an idea, > but I doubt > it's correct. > > I was going to change the ownership of the home directories for > the kids... > "username:teachergroup" and chmod it to 770. Then a softlink > share in samba > would show all the users home directories. But it doesn't let me > break it up > by gradegroup. > > What are your thoughts on this? Is there a better way to do what I want to > accomplish? I look forward to hearing your wisdom!! > Thanks, > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From nathan at grandvache.com Tue Aug 15 09:07:38 2006 From: nathan at grandvache.com (Nathan Shaffer) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 02:07:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: yum problems Message-ID: Oops --- dopey me!! We're running behind a cached proxy server on the firewall with Dansguardian hooked up to it. Turn of the proxy and yum works great. Thanks, Nathan Shaffer nshaffer at sja.pvt.k12.or.us St John the Apostle Catholic School Oregon City, OR From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Aug 15 10:24:27 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 06:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] home directory listing for teachers In-Reply-To: References: <20060815031704.40FAC490355@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <44157.70.33.151.214.1155637467.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> i think you are looking for extended permisiions..but if you change group ownershipof student files to teachersgroup and perms to 770 should be ok.. > I think if you set permissions to 770 it should do the trick. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Steven Santos > Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com > Mail: PO BOX 620753 > Newton, MA 02462 > Phone: 781-799-4938 > eFax: 309-214-0899 > Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > but if you change group ownership of studentfiles to >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >> Behalf Of Paul Lemke >> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 11:17 PM >> To: 'Support list for open source software in schools.' >> Subject: [K12OSN] home directory listing for teachers >> >> >> Hello all, >> So I guess this would be an easy question for you linux veterans >> out there. >> but it's really stumping me as I don't have to use linux every day. >> >> I'm trying to setup a way for the teachers to get access to the students >> home directories. Currently they are all located in >> "/home/username/". They >> currently have default permissions of 700 and owned by >> "username:gradegroup". I currently have smbldap setup and working. >> >> Ideally I'd love to setup a samba share for the teachers. It would list >> folders for each grade (five, six, etc.), then inside those >> folders list the >> users home folders and allow the teachers to go in and >> read/write/delete, >> etc. >> >> I have no idea how to make that happen... we'll I have an idea, >> but I doubt >> it's correct. >> >> I was going to change the ownership of the home directories for >> the kids... >> "username:teachergroup" and chmod it to 770. Then a softlink >> share in samba >> would show all the users home directories. But it doesn't let me >> break it up >> by gradegroup. >> >> What are your thoughts on this? Is there a better way to do what I want >> to >> accomplish? I look forward to hearing your wisdom!! >> Thanks, >> Paul >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue Aug 15 12:17:02 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:17:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update and smbldap Message-ID: <3F235BAD-D8EC-4D6F-8606-D0FF941D14D8@mindfirestudios.com> After running the smbldap installer I was able successfully bulk add some users and get LDAP and NFS working on the new apple laptops. Logins still are working on the windows 98 machines but after running a yum update it seems to have broken smbldap-tools. When I go now to add a machine to the domain or a new user I get the following. smbldap-useradd -a -g Domain\ Users testuser failed to perform search; No such object at /usr/lib/perl5/ vendor_perl/5.8.8/smbldap_tools.pm line 374. Error looking for next uid at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/ smbldap_tools.pm line 1044. Did the yum upgrade break this? Is anyone else having a similar problem with the current version of the smbldap-tools? From timothy.hart at gmail.com Tue Aug 15 12:23:33 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:23:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] (Solved) Printing issues Message-ID: <464c38cc0608150523o44c9acedp1f358a4c3df7f295@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for everyones help yesterday. It turns out that the Ricoh Aficio AP400N driver does not work. I tried generic postscript and it worked great. Odd that it prevented it from appearing on the printer list of applications. I have not seen that before. Thanks again. Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Tue Aug 15 13:37:37 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:37:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] home directory listing for teachers In-Reply-To: References: <20060815031704.40FAC490355@ephesus.modevia.com> <774593a20608142101p38c45916k96cad91e6e89b0f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44E1CE21.2050802@maltzen.net> You could write a script that would make short work of it, like so: mv /home/grade12 /home/grade.classof2006 mv /home/grade11 /home/grade12 mv /home/grade10 /home/grade11 mv /home/grade9 /home/grade10 ... and so on. This is crude, inelegant script, but since you only have 12 grades, it wouldn't take long to write it. OTOH, if you want to be clever and have it handled through a loop: mv /home/grade12 /home/grade.classof2006 for x in 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 do next=(( $x + 1 )) echo moving grade${x} to grade${next} mv /home/grade${x} /home/grade${next} done And if you wanted to get really clever, you could try to incorporate the first step, of moving the graduating 12th grade to listing it as its graduating year, into the loop. Speaking of which, I recall someone on the list mentioning a while back that they used each class's graduating year, rather than grade level, because then moving kids' folders and such becomes entirely unnecessary. Petre Kari Matthews wrote: > Is there an automated way to graduate students from one directory to the > next between school years with this method? Just curious. > > ~kari > > > > > On 8/14/06, Sudev Barar wrote: >> >> On 15/08/06, Paul Lemke wrote: >> > I was going to change the ownership of the home directories for the >> kids... >> > "username:teachergroup" and chmod it to 770. Then a softlink share in >> samba >> > would show all the users home directories. But it doesn't let me break >> it up >> > by gradegroup. >> > >> >> Taking a swipe at this.... >> Make /home/grade1, /home/grade2 etc. under which make users of each >> grade. Now make groups grade1 grade2 ... and make teachers of each >> grade part of that group. Then directory permission with >> user:gradegroup should do the job. Trick is to set sticky bit so that >> the group ownership is automatically attached to all files created in >> subdirectories. >> >> HTH >> -- >> Regards, >> Sudev Barar >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Tue Aug 15 13:44:38 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:44:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Lingering Release Issues In-Reply-To: References: <44DDBFDC.2000609@hosef.org> <44E15042.6090707@hosef.org> <9bd317560608142155k14c19873yb5d1ef2f18c5fe11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44E1CFC6.2060502@maltzen.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, Peter Hartmann wrote: > >> I thought ltsp4.2 was supposed to have 7MB less residing in ram. >> >> Peter > > Yes, in theory there should be LESS ram usage. But it was also mentioned > that this was a fairly old server (2.5 years old)... depending on exactly > what was installed and how it was used, it could have required less memory > on the terminals. I did a search for the error message that was posted > and didn't come up with anything... I just checked again and there was > a typo in the bug report that I didn't catch (sucks being dyslexic ;-), > I got a few hits this time. > > Scott: the only errors I can find that are similar to this are for > Alpha servers (I'm sure you are not using those for terminals!), for > the old XFree86 3.x drivers (used 2.5 years ago, but not in K12LTSP 5), > and one reference to the i810 problems we had in the very early betas. > > The fix for the i810 chipsets in the early betas was to specify the > vesa driver: > > XSERVER = vesa > > and later we found that it worked better to remove that line and to > specify a specific amount of memory used for video: > > XVIDRAM="VideoRam 4096" > > if that *still* doesn't work, try dropping it down to 2 megs: > > XVIDRAM="VideoRam 2048" > > > Please post your findings and if possible please post exactly what > hardware is in the terminals that are not functioning properly. > > -Eric > FWIW, on my lone Compaq iPaq which has the i810 video, I have to use the XSERVER=vesa setting to get X to come up; using the XVIDRAM doesn't work. Petre From aimssda at cscoms.com Tue Aug 15 12:48:06 2006 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (Edwardson) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:48:06 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Terminal Server Problem In-Reply-To: <20060811154509.22C9073689@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060811154509.22C9073689@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44E1C286.7090402@cscoms.com> Hi, My problem is about terminal server. Earlier I was getting W2k3 terminal server login screen, but it's weird coz it's set to SCREEN_02. Then i did a yum update. After the update and restart, i have LTSP login screen (screen_01) but can't get terminal server login screen? I'm using K12 5.0. Here's my setup. screen_01 = startx screen_02 = rdesktop RDP_SERVER = 192.168.1.200 Please help. Edward From lists at paulandmichelle.net Tue Aug 15 13:51:55 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:51:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] home directory listing for teachers In-Reply-To: <774593a20608142101p38c45916k96cad91e6e89b0f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060815135156.762E04905AA@ephesus.modevia.com> Awesome, this sounds like a great idea! One issue I'm wondering about is the sticky bit... So I've created /home/grade1/,etc. In my bulk add script I'm setting the home directory to /home/grade1/username/. Then I'm going to chown the directories to be owned by the user:teachers group (I don't care if they have access to different grades). You mentioned the sticky bit... I thought all the sticky bit did was to only allow the files from being renamed/deleted by the user, root, or directory owner? Isn't want I want here something like a samba create mask, but with the ownership instead? Thanks for the help! Paul -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Sudev Barar Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 11:02 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] home directory listing for teachers On 15/08/06, Paul Lemke wrote: > I was going to change the ownership of the home directories for the kids... > "username:teachergroup" and chmod it to 770. Then a softlink share in samba > would show all the users home directories. But it doesn't let me break it up > by gradegroup. > Taking a swipe at this.... Make /home/grade1, /home/grade2 etc. under which make users of each grade. Now make groups grade1 grade2 ... and make teachers of each grade part of that group. Then directory permission with user:gradegroup should do the job. Trick is to set sticky bit so that the group ownership is automatically attached to all files created in subdirectories. HTH -- Regards, Sudev Barar _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Tue Aug 15 13:55:00 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:55:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] getting extra floppy icon on desktop when plugging in USB stick Message-ID: <44E1D234.2020103@maltzen.net> On my 5.0 server with the nifty new LDA, when I plug-in a USB stick on the client, two icons, rather than just one, appear on the desktop, one for the USB stick and one labeled 'floppy', even though there is already a floppy icon on the desktop. Most of my clients boot using an Etherboot floppy, so having the existing floppy be there already makes sense. But why does plugging in a USB stick cause a second one to appear? Looking on the LTSP wiki, it appears an Update 3 was released this past weekend, and it sounds like one of the fixes is for just this problem. If so, will Update 3 be incorporated into the K12LTSP repository soon? Petre From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue Aug 15 14:42:36 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:42:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba 3.0.23a and smbldap-tools Message-ID: <550E1F72-7D32-4CBE-BC49-8B2FBC34503D@mindfirestudios.com> Is samba 3.0.23 still considered a no go for using the smbldap installer or is that working now?? From rgm at htt-consult.com Tue Aug 15 15:04:51 2006 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 11:04:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] re: smbldap-install start from scratch. Really! (Robert Moskowitz) In-Reply-To: <20060814044528.GQ6734@majen.net> References: <20060812160017.00AC173DF2@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44E1E293.3060901@htt-consult.com> Didn't work. See below. Matt Oquist wrote: >> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:57:33 -0400 >> From: "Robert Moskowitz" >> Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-install start from scratch. Really! >> smbd and nmbd are up and running. >> >> So what do I do before I kick off the script. >> > > Nothing; it's designed to work even on a totally fresh OS > installation, without *any* of the packages installed. (i.e., a "bare > bones" installation without graphics or any servers, etc.) > > One of the first things the script will do is turn off smbd and nmbd. > :) > > It *should* (in theory; I guess I've never tested this) work fine just > to blow away everything under /var/lib/ldap/ and run the script; all > the relevant config files will be backed up and overwritten, and a new > database will be created. Per documentation I ran: ./smbldap all I got to enter my network address range. I got the message about done asking questions, press Enter. Bunches of backups. It got to backing up /etc/opt/IDEALX/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf and got: failure! I'm stopping here because this is bad. Correct the error by hand and re-run this script. When I look at the log, I see: Runing smbldap-populate... printf "ldappwd/ldappwd" | smbldap-populate -a root -u 10000 -g 10000 erreur LDAP: Can't contact master ldap server (IO::Socket::INET: connect: Connection refused) at /usr/sbin//smbldap_tools.pm line 270. Populating LDAP directory for domain IDEALX-NT (S-1-5-21-4205727931-4131263253-1851132061) (using builtin directory structure) failure! Now when I look further up the log I see ldap restart Stopping slapd: FAILED Checking configuration files for slapd: config file testing succeded Starting slapd: OK Using chkconfig to set ldap to "on" during boot... chkconfig ldap on Success! Sething the manager smbpasswd.... smbpasswd -w ldappwd Setting stroed password for "cn=Manager,dc=htt-consult.com,dc=com" in secrets.tdb Grabbing local SID...success! them the backup copies. ending with the smbldap.conf mentioned above and the failure. So what now?????? From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Aug 15 15:08:49 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:38:49 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: yum problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <774593a20608150808v794c95b0u3b163c1d7d9e6351@mail.gmail.com> On 15/08/06, Nathan Shaffer wrote: > Oops --- dopey me!! > > We're running behind a cached proxy server on the firewall with > Dansguardian hooked up to it. Turn of the proxy and yum works great. > Or you can: export http_proxy="proxyserver:port" -- Regards, Sudev Barar From lists at paulandmichelle.net Tue Aug 15 15:16:11 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:16:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] home directory listing for teachers In-Reply-To: <20060815135156.762E04905AA@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <20060815151612.113CD4903A0@ephesus.modevia.com> Ok, I think I got it. You were right in stating to use the sticky bit... chmod g+s That works great. :) I also setup in smb.conf the "inherit permissions = yes". I also set my create mask to 660, and directory mask to 770. Thanks for the advice. :) Paul -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Paul Lemke Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 8:52 AM To: 'Support list for open source software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] home directory listing for teachers Awesome, this sounds like a great idea! One issue I'm wondering about is the sticky bit... So I've created /home/grade1/,etc. In my bulk add script I'm setting the home directory to /home/grade1/username/. Then I'm going to chown the directories to be owned by the user:teachers group (I don't care if they have access to different grades). You mentioned the sticky bit... I thought all the sticky bit did was to only allow the files from being renamed/deleted by the user, root, or directory owner? Isn't want I want here something like a samba create mask, but with the ownership instead? Thanks for the help! Paul -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Sudev Barar Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 11:02 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] home directory listing for teachers On 15/08/06, Paul Lemke wrote: > I was going to change the ownership of the home directories for the kids... > "username:teachergroup" and chmod it to 770. Then a softlink share in samba > would show all the users home directories. But it doesn't let me break it up > by gradegroup. > Taking a swipe at this.... Make /home/grade1, /home/grade2 etc. under which make users of each grade. Now make groups grade1 grade2 ... and make teachers of each grade part of that group. Then directory permission with user:gradegroup should do the job. Trick is to set sticky bit so that the group ownership is automatically attached to all files created in subdirectories. HTH -- Regards, Sudev Barar _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From lists.john at gmail.com Tue Aug 15 18:59:22 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 11:59:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Need help setting up RDP login via terminal K12LTSP 5.0 Message-ID: <2be970b50608151159s3b9891b6saee244f0da9dc010@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I would like to give users the ability to log on to our windows terminal server via RDP. I uncommented the lines in the lts.conf file as follows: SCREEN_04 = rdesktop RDP_SERVER = 10.114.5.77 RDP_OPTIONS = -F and then did control+alt F4 from the terminal login. I see an xsession but no RDP login etc. Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks! John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Aug 15 19:08:58 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:08:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Need help setting up RDP login via terminal K12LTSP 5.0 In-Reply-To: <2be970b50608151159s3b9891b6saee244f0da9dc010@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50608151159s3b9891b6saee244f0da9dc010@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44E21BCA.2070702@sau14.k12.nh.us> John, Try the following: SCREEN_04 = redesktop -fa 16 10.114.5.77 See if that helps. -Paul john wrote: > Hi all, > > I would like to give users the ability to log on to our windows > terminal server via RDP. I uncommented the lines in the lts.conf file > as follows: > > SCREEN_04 = rdesktop > RDP_SERVER = numericlinkwarning 10.114.5.77 > > RDP_OPTIONS = -F > > and then did control+alt F4 from the terminal login. I see an xsession > but no RDP login etc. Any help would be very much appreciated. > > Thanks! > > John > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Paul VanGundy Director of Technology Epping School District P: 603.679.8003 x105 F: 603.679.2196 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Aug 15 19:11:16 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:11:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Need help setting up RDP login via terminal K12LTSP 5.0 *CORRECTION* In-Reply-To: <2be970b50608151159s3b9891b6saee244f0da9dc010@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50608151159s3b9891b6saee244f0da9dc010@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44E21C54.4060102@sau14.k12.nh.us> John, I made a typo in my last reply. Try this. SCREEN_04 = rdesktop -fa 16 ip.address.of.server Try that. -Paul john wrote: > Hi all, > > I would like to give users the ability to log on to our windows > terminal server via RDP. I uncommented the lines in the lts.conf file > as follows: > > SCREEN_04 = rdesktop > RDP_SERVER = numericlinkwarning 10.114.5.77 > > RDP_OPTIONS = -F > > and then did control+alt F4 from the terminal login. I see an xsession > but no RDP login etc. Any help would be very much appreciated. > > Thanks! > > John > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Paul VanGundy Director of Technology Epping School District P: 603.679.8003 x105 F: 603.679.2196 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Tue Aug 15 20:32:35 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Kevin Squire) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:32:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - looking for some scipting help In-Reply-To: <44E0D561.6070404@remc1.org> References: <20060814134358.19ea5d6d@localhost.localdomain> <44E0C622.1010405@remc1.org> <20060814153359.03df0231@localhost.localdomain> <44E0D561.6070404@remc1.org> Message-ID: <20060815203235.GA27725@linuxbox.localdomain> On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 03:56:17PM -0400, Scott Sherrill wrote: > > >If you see what the error is, great! If not, don't beat yourself up > >over it. > > > > Sorry Kevin I did it off the cuff and wrote it in email (except the > md5sum line I did try that one first). > > There is a problem on the split line should be split (/,/,$_,2); > > I missed a comma. > > Also line 10 should be close(DATA); > > Sorry. > > A lesson boys and girls about coding in email w/o trying the script > first ;-) > > Scott > No need for you to be sorry, it is not like you had to do it at all to begin with. Thank you very much for your time, it worked perfectly. Kevin -- http://gentgeen.homelinux.org ############################################################# Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From lists.john at gmail.com Tue Aug 15 20:58:15 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 13:58:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Need help setting up RDP login via terminal K12LTSP 5.0 *CORRECTION* In-Reply-To: <44E21C54.4060102@sau14.k12.nh.us> References: <2be970b50608151159s3b9891b6saee244f0da9dc010@mail.gmail.com> <44E21C54.4060102@sau14.k12.nh.us> Message-ID: <2be970b50608151358o563784ffq3a40356069b302@mail.gmail.com> Hi Paul, Thanks for the reply. That didn't work either :-( I can rdesktop to the terminal server after I log on to the gnome desktop, however I am really looking to provide this as an option from the logon screen. Ultimately I'd like to have clients connection type controlled via lts.conf (i.e some clients only get rdesktop, some only get gnome etc.) I turned off the firewall on the idea that might be interfering. No dice, though. Here's my conf right now: SCREEN_04 = rdesktop -fa 16 10.114.5.77 any ideas? Any good howto's about seemless rdesktop/k12ltsp setups? John On 8/15/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > John, > > I made a typo in my last reply. Try this. > > SCREEN_04 = rdesktop -fa 16 ip.address.of.server > > Try that. > > -Paul > > > john wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I would like to give users the ability to log on to our windows > > terminal server via RDP. I uncommented the lines in the lts.conf file > > as follows: > > > > SCREEN_04 = rdesktop > > RDP_SERVER = numericlinkwarning 10.114.5.77 > > > > RDP_OPTIONS = -F > > > > and then did control+alt F4 from the terminal login. 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URL: From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Tue Aug 15 21:33:02 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:33:02 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Terminal Server Problem In-Reply-To: <44E1C286.7090402@cscoms.com> References: <20060811154509.22C9073689@hormel.redhat.com> <44E1C286.7090402@cscoms.com> Message-ID: You probably need to specify some options for the rdesktop session. Perhaps the default screen geometry is not supported by your thin client and you have to manually specify another geometry, for example. On 16/08/06, Edwardson wrote: > > Hi, > > My problem is about terminal server. Earlier I was getting W2k3 terminal > server login screen, but it's weird coz it's set to SCREEN_02. Then i > did a yum update. After the update and restart, i have LTSP login screen > (screen_01) but can't get terminal server login screen? I'm using K12 5.0. > > Here's my setup. > > screen_01 = startx > screen_02 = rdesktop > RDP_SERVER = 192.168.1.200 > > Please help. > > Edward > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Aug 15 21:40:05 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:40:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Need help setting up RDP login via terminal K12LTSP 5.0 *CORRECTION* In-Reply-To: <2be970b50608151358o563784ffq3a40356069b302@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50608151159s3b9891b6saee244f0da9dc010@mail.gmail.com> <44E21C54.4060102@sau14.k12.nh.us> <2be970b50608151358o563784ffq3a40356069b302@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060815174005.c6vftk461w84o0so@neatmail.unh.edu> John, Trying doing it on screen 2...so like this: SCREEN_02 = rdesktop -fa 16 10.114.5.77 After you do that, then CTRL+ALT+F2 and see what happens. If it doesn't work right away then restart and try.. Let me know what happens. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Director of Technology Epping School District P: 603.679.8003 x105 F: 603.679.2196 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Quoting john : > Hi Paul, > > Thanks for the reply. That didn't work either :-( I can rdesktop to the > terminal server after I log on to the gnome desktop, however I am really > looking to provide this as an option from the logon screen. Ultimately I'd > like to have clients connection type controlled via lts.conf (i.e some > clients only get rdesktop, some only get gnome etc.) > > I turned off the firewall on the idea that might be interfering. No dice, > though. > > Here's my conf right now: > > SCREEN_04 = rdesktop -fa 16 10.114.5.77 > > any ideas? Any good howto's about seemless rdesktop/k12ltsp setups? > > John > > > On 8/15/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: >> >> John, >> >> I made a typo in my last reply. Try this. >> >> SCREEN_04 = rdesktop -fa 16 ip.address.of.server >> >> Try that. >> >> -Paul >> >> >> john wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I would like to give users the ability to log on to our windows >> > terminal server via RDP. I uncommented the lines in the lts.conf file >> > as follows: >> > >> > SCREEN_04 = rdesktop >> > RDP_SERVER = numericlinkwarning 10.114.5.77 >> > >> > RDP_OPTIONS = -F >> > >> > and then did control+alt F4 from the terminal login. I see an xsession >> > but no RDP login etc. Any help would be very much appreciated. >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > John >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> >> -- >> Paul VanGundy >> Director of Technology >> Epping School District >> P: 603.679.8003 x105 >> F: 603.679.2196 >> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > From lists.john at gmail.com Tue Aug 15 21:48:05 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:48:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Need help setting up RDP login via terminal K12LTSP 5.0 *CORRECTION* In-Reply-To: <20060815174005.c6vftk461w84o0so@neatmail.unh.edu> References: <2be970b50608151159s3b9891b6saee244f0da9dc010@mail.gmail.com> <44E21C54.4060102@sau14.k12.nh.us> <2be970b50608151358o563784ffq3a40356069b302@mail.gmail.com> <20060815174005.c6vftk461w84o0so@neatmail.unh.edu> Message-ID: <2be970b50608151448w7366b209sdf3241921ff08dcd@mail.gmail.com> Hi Paul, Thanks for the quick reply. Nope that didn't work either. Do I need to restart the entire K12LTSP server everytime I make a change to lts.conf? Seems kinda radical. I've just been been rebooting the clients. I do /etc/init.d/ltspswap restart even though I guess it just free's memory up? What do you think I oughta try next? John On 8/15/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > John, > > Trying doing it on screen 2...so like this: > > SCREEN_02 = rdesktop -fa 16 10.114.5.77 > > After you do that, then CTRL+ALT+F2 and see what happens. If it doesn't > work right away then restart and try.. Let me know what happens. > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Director of Technology > Epping School District > P: 603.679.8003 x105 > F: 603.679.2196 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > > Quoting john : > > > Hi Paul, > > > > Thanks for the reply. That didn't work either :-( I can rdesktop to the > > terminal server after I log on to the gnome desktop, however I am really > > looking to provide this as an option from the logon screen. Ultimately > I'd > > like to have clients connection type controlled via lts.conf (i.e some > > clients only get rdesktop, some only get gnome etc.) > > > > I turned off the firewall on the idea that might be interfering. No > dice, > > though. > > > > Here's my conf right now: > > > > SCREEN_04 = rdesktop -fa 16 10.114.5.77 > > > > any ideas? Any good howto's about seemless rdesktop/k12ltsp setups? > > > > John > > > > > > On 8/15/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > >> > >> John, > >> > >> I made a typo in my last reply. Try this. > >> > >> SCREEN_04 = rdesktop -fa 16 ip.address.of.server > >> > >> Try that. > >> > >> -Paul > >> > >> > >> john wrote: > >> > Hi all, > >> > > >> > I would like to give users the ability to log on to our windows > >> > terminal server via RDP. I uncommented the lines in the lts.conf file > >> > as follows: > >> > > >> > SCREEN_04 = rdesktop > >> > RDP_SERVER = numericlinkwarning 10.114.5.77 > >> > > >> > RDP_OPTIONS = -F > >> > > >> > and then did control+alt F4 from the terminal login. I see an > xsession > >> > but no RDP login etc. Any help would be very much appreciated. > >> > > >> > Thanks! > >> > > >> > John > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > K12OSN mailing list > >> > K12OSN at redhat.com > >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> > For more info see > >> > >> -- > >> Paul VanGundy > >> Director of Technology > >> Epping School District > >> P: 603.679.8003 x105 > >> F: 603.679.2196 > >> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Aug 15 21:57:25 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:57:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Need help setting up RDP login via terminal K12LTSP 5.0 *CORRECTION* In-Reply-To: <2be970b50608151448w7366b209sdf3241921ff08dcd@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50608151159s3b9891b6saee244f0da9dc010@mail.gmail.com> <44E21C54.4060102@sau14.k12.nh.us> <2be970b50608151358o563784ffq3a40356069b302@mail.gmail.com> <20060815174005.c6vftk461w84o0so@neatmail.unh.edu> <2be970b50608151448w7366b209sdf3241921ff08dcd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060815175725.k8c4cg9lsgc0o8ks@neatmail.unh.edu> John, Shouldn't need to...but I would to be safe. Also, what version of Windows TS are you running? What role do you have Windows TS in? For example, you can have TS set up so that it is set up to only allow connections for administrative purposes or you can set TS up so it is truly a Terminal Server. It depends on the role you have it set up as. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Director of Technology Epping School District P: 603.679.8003 x105 F: 603.679.2196 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Quoting john : > Hi Paul, > > Thanks for the quick reply. Nope that didn't work either. Do I need to > restart the entire K12LTSP server everytime I make a change to lts.conf? > Seems kinda radical. I've just been been rebooting the clients. I do > /etc/init.d/ltspswap restart even though I guess it just free's memory up? > > What do you think I oughta try next? > > John > > On 8/15/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: >> >> John, >> >> Trying doing it on screen 2...so like this: >> >> SCREEN_02 = rdesktop -fa 16 10.114.5.77 >> >> After you do that, then CTRL+ALT+F2 and see what happens. If it doesn't >> work right away then restart and try.. Let me know what happens. >> >> -Paul >> >> -- >> Paul VanGundy >> Director of Technology >> Epping School District >> P: 603.679.8003 x105 >> F: 603.679.2196 >> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us >> >> >> Quoting john : >> >> > Hi Paul, >> > >> > Thanks for the reply. That didn't work either :-( I can rdesktop to the >> > terminal server after I log on to the gnome desktop, however I am really >> > looking to provide this as an option from the logon screen. Ultimately >> I'd >> > like to have clients connection type controlled via lts.conf (i.e some >> > clients only get rdesktop, some only get gnome etc.) >> > >> > I turned off the firewall on the idea that might be interfering. No >> dice, >> > though. >> > >> > Here's my conf right now: >> > >> > SCREEN_04 = rdesktop -fa 16 10.114.5.77 >> > >> > any ideas? Any good howto's about seemless rdesktop/k12ltsp setups? >> > >> > John >> > >> > >> > On 8/15/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: >> >> >> >> John, >> >> >> >> I made a typo in my last reply. Try this. >> >> >> >> SCREEN_04 = rdesktop -fa 16 ip.address.of.server >> >> >> >> Try that. >> >> >> >> -Paul >> >> >> >> >> >> john wrote: >> >> > Hi all, >> >> > >> >> > I would like to give users the ability to log on to our windows >> >> > terminal server via RDP. I uncommented the lines in the lts.conf file >> >> > as follows: >> >> > >> >> > SCREEN_04 = rdesktop >> >> > RDP_SERVER = numericlinkwarning 10.114.5.77 >> >> > >> >> > RDP_OPTIONS = -F >> >> > >> >> > and then did control+alt F4 from the terminal login. I see an >> xsession >> >> > but no RDP login etc. Any help would be very much appreciated. >> >> > >> >> > Thanks! >> >> > >> >> > John >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > K12OSN mailing list >> >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >> > For more info see >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Paul VanGundy >> >> Director of Technology >> >> Epping School District >> >> P: 603.679.8003 x105 >> >> F: 603.679.2196 >> >> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> K12OSN mailing list >> >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >> For more info see >> >> >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > From lists.john at gmail.com Tue Aug 15 22:17:25 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:17:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Need help setting up RDP login via terminal K12LTSP 5.0 *CORRECTION* In-Reply-To: <20060815175725.k8c4cg9lsgc0o8ks@neatmail.unh.edu> References: <2be970b50608151159s3b9891b6saee244f0da9dc010@mail.gmail.com> <44E21C54.4060102@sau14.k12.nh.us> <2be970b50608151358o563784ffq3a40356069b302@mail.gmail.com> <20060815174005.c6vftk461w84o0so@neatmail.unh.edu> <2be970b50608151448w7366b209sdf3241921ff08dcd@mail.gmail.com> <20060815175725.k8c4cg9lsgc0o8ks@neatmail.unh.edu> Message-ID: <2be970b50608151517q4a3728ftc3809771a7059178@mail.gmail.com> Hi Paul, I restarted LTSP 5.0. We're running Windows Terminal Sercer 2003. The terminal server is set up to accept connections from authenticated users. When I do desktop -fa 16 10.114.5.77 from a terminal I am able to connect and get a login screen. I looked on the ltsp website and didn't find any known bugs for rdp. Is there a log file generated for ltsp connections? Thanks for your help I REALLY want to get this working. John On 8/15/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > John, > > Shouldn't need to...but I would to be safe. Also, what version of > Windows TS are you running? What role do you have Windows TS in? For > example, you can have TS set up so that it is set up to only allow > connections for administrative purposes or you can set TS up so it is > truly a Terminal Server. It depends on the role you have it set up as. > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Director of Technology > Epping School District > P: 603.679.8003 x105 > F: 603.679.2196 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > > Quoting john : > > > Hi Paul, > > > > Thanks for the quick reply. Nope that didn't work either. Do I need to > > restart the entire K12LTSP server everytime I make a change to lts.conf? > > Seems kinda radical. I've just been been rebooting the clients. I do > > /etc/init.d/ltspswap restart even though I guess it just free's memory > up? > > > > What do you think I oughta try next? > > > > John > > > > On 8/15/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > >> > >> John, > >> > >> Trying doing it on screen 2...so like this: > >> > >> SCREEN_02 = rdesktop -fa 16 10.114.5.77 > >> > >> After you do that, then CTRL+ALT+F2 and see what happens. If it doesn't > >> work right away then restart and try.. Let me know what happens. > >> > >> -Paul > >> > >> -- > >> Paul VanGundy > >> Director of Technology > >> Epping School District > >> P: 603.679.8003 x105 > >> F: 603.679.2196 > >> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > >> > >> > >> Quoting john : > >> > >> > Hi Paul, > >> > > >> > Thanks for the reply. That didn't work either :-( I can rdesktop to > the > >> > terminal server after I log on to the gnome desktop, however I am > really > >> > looking to provide this as an option from the logon screen. > Ultimately > >> I'd > >> > like to have clients connection type controlled via lts.conf (i.esome > >> > clients only get rdesktop, some only get gnome etc.) > >> > > >> > I turned off the firewall on the idea that might be interfering. No > >> dice, > >> > though. > >> > > >> > Here's my conf right now: > >> > > >> > SCREEN_04 = rdesktop -fa 16 10.114.5.77 > >> > > >> > any ideas? Any good howto's about seemless rdesktop/k12ltsp setups? > >> > > >> > John > >> > > >> > > >> > On 8/15/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > >> >> > >> >> John, > >> >> > >> >> I made a typo in my last reply. Try this. > >> >> > >> >> SCREEN_04 = rdesktop -fa 16 ip.address.of.server > >> >> > >> >> Try that. > >> >> > >> >> -Paul > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> john wrote: > >> >> > Hi all, > >> >> > > >> >> > I would like to give users the ability to log on to our windows > >> >> > terminal server via RDP. I uncommented the lines in the lts.conffile > >> >> > as follows: > >> >> > > >> >> > SCREEN_04 = rdesktop > >> >> > RDP_SERVER = numericlinkwarning 10.114.5.77 > >> >> > > >> >> > RDP_OPTIONS = -F > >> >> > > >> >> > and then did control+alt F4 from the terminal login. I see an > >> xsession > >> >> > but no RDP login etc. Any help would be very much appreciated. > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks! > >> >> > > >> >> > John > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > K12OSN mailing list > >> >> > K12OSN at redhat.com > >> >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> >> > For more info see > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Paul VanGundy > >> >> Director of Technology > >> >> Epping School District > >> >> P: 603.679.8003 x105 > >> >> F: 603.679.2196 > >> >> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> K12OSN mailing list > >> >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> >> For more info see > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Aug 15 23:11:05 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:11:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Need help setting up RDP login via terminal K12LTSP 5.0 *CORRECTION* In-Reply-To: <2be970b50608151517q4a3728ftc3809771a7059178@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50608151159s3b9891b6saee244f0da9dc010@mail.gmail.com> <44E21C54.4060102@sau14.k12.nh.us> <2be970b50608151358o563784ffq3a40356069b302@mail.gmail.com> <20060815174005.c6vftk461w84o0so@neatmail.unh.edu> <2be970b50608151448w7366b209sdf3241921ff08dcd@mail.gmail.com> <20060815175725.k8c4cg9lsgc0o8ks@neatmail.unh.edu> <2be970b50608151517q4a3728ftc3809771a7059178@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060815191105.i79rra37swwgk00s@neatmail.unh.edu> John, I don't know your network infrastructure so I can only speak assuming everything is wired correctly and configuration files are right. The fact that you can rdesktop into TS after you log into a terminal shows that something isn't right. Not necessary anything you're doing. The next thing I would ask is if anyone else is able to rdesktop into a Windows TS 2003 from the log in screen by doing the combination of CTRL+ALT+F2 or however the lts.conf file has it configured. We don't use K12LTSP anymore in our district as we have migrated to Ubuntu 6.06 with LTSP 4.2 so I am afraid I'm not going to be much more help, especially if this is a K12LTSP 5 issue, which it could be. I can tell you that SCREEN_02 = rdesktop -fa 16 ip.address.of.server works flawlessly in our district. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Director of Technology Epping School District P: 603.679.8003 x105 F: 603.679.2196 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Quoting john : > Hi Paul, > > I restarted LTSP 5.0. We're running Windows Terminal Sercer 2003. The > terminal server is set up to accept connections from authenticated users. > When I do > desktop -fa 16 10.114.5.77 from a terminal I am able to connect and get a > login screen. > > I looked on the ltsp website and didn't find any known bugs for rdp. Is > there a log file generated for ltsp connections? > > Thanks for your help I REALLY want to get this working. > > John > > On 8/15/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: >> >> John, >> >> Shouldn't need to...but I would to be safe. Also, what version of >> Windows TS are you running? What role do you have Windows TS in? For >> example, you can have TS set up so that it is set up to only allow >> connections for administrative purposes or you can set TS up so it is >> truly a Terminal Server. It depends on the role you have it set up as. >> >> -Paul >> >> -- >> Paul VanGundy >> Director of Technology >> Epping School District >> P: 603.679.8003 x105 >> F: 603.679.2196 >> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us >> >> >> Quoting john : >> >> > Hi Paul, >> > >> > Thanks for the quick reply. Nope that didn't work either. Do I need to >> > restart the entire K12LTSP server everytime I make a change to lts.conf? >> > Seems kinda radical. I've just been been rebooting the clients. I do >> > /etc/init.d/ltspswap restart even though I guess it just free's memory >> up? >> > >> > What do you think I oughta try next? >> > >> > John >> > >> > On 8/15/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: >> >> >> >> John, >> >> >> >> Trying doing it on screen 2...so like this: >> >> >> >> SCREEN_02 = rdesktop -fa 16 10.114.5.77 >> >> >> >> After you do that, then CTRL+ALT+F2 and see what happens. If it doesn't >> >> work right away then restart and try.. Let me know what happens. >> >> >> >> -Paul >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Paul VanGundy >> >> Director of Technology >> >> Epping School District >> >> P: 603.679.8003 x105 >> >> F: 603.679.2196 >> >> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us >> >> >> >> >> >> Quoting john : >> >> >> >> > Hi Paul, >> >> > >> >> > Thanks for the reply. That didn't work either :-( I can rdesktop to >> the >> >> > terminal server after I log on to the gnome desktop, however I am >> really >> >> > looking to provide this as an option from the logon screen. >> Ultimately >> >> I'd >> >> > like to have clients connection type controlled via lts.conf (i.esome >> >> > clients only get rdesktop, some only get gnome etc.) >> >> > >> >> > I turned off the firewall on the idea that might be interfering. No >> >> dice, >> >> > though. >> >> > >> >> > Here's my conf right now: >> >> > >> >> > SCREEN_04 = rdesktop -fa 16 10.114.5.77 >> >> > >> >> > any ideas? Any good howto's about seemless rdesktop/k12ltsp setups? >> >> > >> >> > John >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On 8/15/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> John, >> >> >> >> >> >> I made a typo in my last reply. Try this. >> >> >> >> >> >> SCREEN_04 = rdesktop -fa 16 ip.address.of.server >> >> >> >> >> >> Try that. >> >> >> >> >> >> -Paul >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> john wrote: >> >> >> > Hi all, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I would like to give users the ability to log on to our windows >> >> >> > terminal server via RDP. I uncommented the lines in the lts.conffile >> >> >> > as follows: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > SCREEN_04 = rdesktop >> >> >> > RDP_SERVER = numericlinkwarning 10.114.5.77 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > RDP_OPTIONS = -F >> >> >> > >> >> >> > and then did control+alt F4 from the terminal login. I see an >> >> xsession >> >> >> > but no RDP login etc. Any help would be very much appreciated. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Thanks! >> >> >> > >> >> >> > John >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> > >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> > K12OSN mailing list >> >> >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> >> >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >> >> > For more info see >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Paul VanGundy >> >> >> Director of Technology >> >> >> Epping School District >> >> >> P: 603.679.8003 x105 >> >> >> F: 603.679.2196 >> >> >> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> K12OSN mailing list >> >> >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >> >> For more info see >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> K12OSN mailing list >> >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >> For more info see >> >> >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Tue Aug 15 23:36:45 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 11:36:45 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Need help setting up RDP login via terminal K12LTSP 5.0 *CORRECTION* In-Reply-To: <20060815191105.i79rra37swwgk00s@neatmail.unh.edu> References: <2be970b50608151159s3b9891b6saee244f0da9dc010@mail.gmail.com> <44E21C54.4060102@sau14.k12.nh.us> <2be970b50608151358o563784ffq3a40356069b302@mail.gmail.com> <20060815174005.c6vftk461w84o0so@neatmail.unh.edu> <2be970b50608151448w7366b209sdf3241921ff08dcd@mail.gmail.com> <20060815175725.k8c4cg9lsgc0o8ks@neatmail.unh.edu> <2be970b50608151517q4a3728ftc3809771a7059178@mail.gmail.com> <20060815191105.i79rra37swwgk00s@neatmail.unh.edu> Message-ID: You could try setting the screen geometry or colors to a value to see if it connects. I vaguely recall having problems connecting also. I think it worked when I specified -u and a valid username. It still went to the login screen and from there I just changed to username and logged in. It's a bit hazy but I think without specifying a user it wouldn't show up. Not sure why. Sorry I am not near a terminal to test it out. Hope it gives you something to work with. On 16/08/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > John, > > I don't know your network infrastructure so I can only speak assuming > everything is wired correctly and configuration files are right. The > fact that you can rdesktop into TS after you log into a terminal shows > that something isn't right. Not necessary anything you're doing. The > next thing I would ask is if anyone else is able to rdesktop into a > Windows TS 2003 from the log in screen by doing the combination of > CTRL+ALT+F2 or however the lts.conf file has it configured. > > We don't use K12LTSP anymore in our district as we have migrated to > Ubuntu 6.06 with LTSP 4.2 so I am afraid I'm not going to be much more > help, especially if this is a K12LTSP 5 issue, which it could be. I can > tell you that SCREEN_02 = rdesktop -fa 16 ip.address.of.server works > flawlessly in our district. > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Director of Technology > Epping School District > P: 603.679.8003 x105 > F: 603.679.2196 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > > Quoting john : > > > Hi Paul, > > > > I restarted LTSP 5.0. We're running Windows Terminal Sercer 2003. The > > terminal server is set up to accept connections from authenticated > users. > > When I do > > desktop -fa 16 10.114.5.77 from a terminal I am able to connect and get > a > > login screen. > > > > I looked on the ltsp website and didn't find any known bugs for rdp. Is > > there a log file generated for ltsp connections? > > > > Thanks for your help I REALLY want to get this working. > > > > John > > > > On 8/15/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > >> > >> John, > >> > >> Shouldn't need to...but I would to be safe. Also, what version of > >> Windows TS are you running? What role do you have Windows TS in? For > >> example, you can have TS set up so that it is set up to only allow > >> connections for administrative purposes or you can set TS up so it is > >> truly a Terminal Server. It depends on the role you have it set up as. > >> > >> -Paul > >> > >> -- > >> Paul VanGundy > >> Director of Technology > >> Epping School District > >> P: 603.679.8003 x105 > >> F: 603.679.2196 > >> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > >> > >> > >> Quoting john : > >> > >> > Hi Paul, > >> > > >> > Thanks for the quick reply. Nope that didn't work either. Do I need > to > >> > restart the entire K12LTSP server everytime I make a change to > lts.conf? > >> > Seems kinda radical. I've just been been rebooting the clients. I do > >> > /etc/init.d/ltspswap restart even though I guess it just free's > memory > >> up? > >> > > >> > What do you think I oughta try next? > >> > > >> > John > >> > > >> > On 8/15/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > >> >> > >> >> John, > >> >> > >> >> Trying doing it on screen 2...so like this: > >> >> > >> >> SCREEN_02 = rdesktop -fa 16 10.114.5.77 > >> >> > >> >> After you do that, then CTRL+ALT+F2 and see what happens. If it > doesn't > >> >> work right away then restart and try.. Let me know what happens. > >> >> > >> >> -Paul > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Paul VanGundy > >> >> Director of Technology > >> >> Epping School District > >> >> P: 603.679.8003 x105 > >> >> F: 603.679.2196 > >> >> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Quoting john : > >> >> > >> >> > Hi Paul, > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks for the reply. That didn't work either :-( I can rdesktop > to > >> the > >> >> > terminal server after I log on to the gnome desktop, however I am > >> really > >> >> > looking to provide this as an option from the logon screen. > >> Ultimately > >> >> I'd > >> >> > like to have clients connection type controlled via lts.conf ( > i.esome > >> >> > clients only get rdesktop, some only get gnome etc.) > >> >> > > >> >> > I turned off the firewall on the idea that might be interfering. > No > >> >> dice, > >> >> > though. > >> >> > > >> >> > Here's my conf right now: > >> >> > > >> >> > SCREEN_04 = rdesktop -fa 16 10.114.5.77 > >> >> > > >> >> > any ideas? Any good howto's about seemless rdesktop/k12ltsp > setups? > >> >> > > >> >> > John > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On 8/15/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> John, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I made a typo in my last reply. Try this. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> SCREEN_04 = rdesktop -fa 16 ip.address.of.server > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Try that. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -Paul > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> john wrote: > >> >> >> > Hi all, > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I would like to give users the ability to log on to our windows > >> >> >> > terminal server via RDP. I uncommented the lines in the > lts.conffile > >> >> >> > as follows: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > SCREEN_04 = rdesktop > >> >> >> > RDP_SERVER = numericlinkwarning 10.114.5.77 > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > RDP_OPTIONS = -F > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > and then did control+alt F4 from the terminal login. I see an > >> >> xsession > >> >> >> > but no RDP login etc. Any help would be very much appreciated. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Thanks! > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > John > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> > K12OSN mailing list > >> >> >> > K12OSN at redhat.com > >> >> >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> >> >> > For more info see > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> Paul VanGundy > >> >> >> Director of Technology > >> >> >> Epping School District > >> >> >> P: 603.679.8003 x105 > >> >> >> F: 603.679.2196 > >> >> >> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > >> >> >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> K12OSN mailing list > >> >> >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> >> >> For more info see > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> K12OSN mailing list > >> >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> >> For more info see > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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K12LTSP- + Can use as a redundant load balancing terminal server as the demand increases -- > increased performance / reliability Could set up proxy to yum updates only have to be downloaded once --> (save a few bucks on internet charges) - Trickier to set up Backuppc (I had a hard time trying last year.) UBUNTU + Easy to install Backuppc (apt-get backuppc does most of the work automatically) VMware server is also in apt-get repositories easy LAMP (web server) installation option - Another system to understand and maintain Any other point that could help my decision? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aimssda at cscoms.com Wed Aug 16 02:10:26 2006 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (Edwardson) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:10:26 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Terminal Server Problem In-Reply-To: <20060815235313.25EA0733D0@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060815235313.25EA0733D0@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44E27E92.5020004@cscoms.com> Hi, What do you mean geometry? Where do i set it? It's funny, i'm testing it on two machines. the other machines gets screen_02 (TS) on boot and the other machines get LTSP login screen upon boot. Please help. Edward >You probably need to specify some options for the rdesktop session. Perhaps >the default screen geometry is not supported by your thin client and you >have to manually specify another geometry, for example. >On 16/08/06, Edwardson wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > My problem is about terminal server. Earlier I was getting W2k3 terminal > > server login screen, but it's weird coz it's set to SCREEN_02. Then i > > did a yum update. After the update and restart, i have LTSP login screen > > (screen_01) but can't get terminal server login screen? I'm using K12 5.0. > > > > Here's my setup. > > > > screen_01 = startx > > screen_02 = rdesktop > > RDP_SERVER = 192.168.1.200 > > > > Please help. > > > > Edward > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > -------------- next part ------- From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Wed Aug 16 03:00:05 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:00:05 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Terminal Server Problem In-Reply-To: <44E27E92.5020004@cscoms.com> References: <20060815235313.25EA0733D0@hormel.redhat.com> <44E27E92.5020004@cscoms.com> Message-ID: On 16/08/06, Edwardson wrote: > > Hi, What do you mean geometry? Where do i set it? e.g. rdesktop -g 600x800 try #rdesktop --help from shell to see different options. It's funny, i'm testing it on two machines. the other machines gets > screen_02 (TS) on boot and the other machines get LTSP login screen upon > boot. While you are testing try setting screen_01=rdesktop Once you get it going you can change it back to screen_02 These screens can be set for each terminal or as the default at the top of lts.conf Where is yours specified? Please help. > > Edward > > > >You probably need to specify some options for the rdesktop session. > Perhaps > >the default screen geometry is not supported by your thin client and you > >have to manually specify another geometry, for example. > > >On 16/08/06, Edwardson wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > My problem is about terminal server. Earlier I was getting W2k3 > terminal > > > server login screen, but it's weird coz it's set to SCREEN_02. Then i > > > did a yum update. After the update and restart, i have LTSP login > screen > > > (screen_01) but can't get terminal server login screen? I'm using K12 > 5.0. > > > > > > Here's my setup. > > > > > > screen_01 = startx > > > screen_02 = rdesktop > > > RDP_SERVER = 192.168.1.200 > > > > > > Please help. > > > > > > Edward > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > -------------- next part ------- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ckollars9 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 03:34:58 2006 From: ckollars9 at yahoo.com (Chuck Kollars) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] home directory listing for teachers Message-ID: <20060816033458.67006.qmail@web60822.mail.yahoo.com> > You mentioned the sticky bit... I thought all the > sticky bit did was to only allow the files from > being renamed/deleted by the user, root, or > directory owner? Ah, there are _two_ sticky bits in *nix. The "other" one (`chmod o+s ...`) used to keep a file in RAM, and now since its old function has been obsoleted by virtual memory is used restrict file rename/deletion within a directory to only the user that owns the file. The "group" one (`chmod g+s ...`) is used to specify that all new files within a directory are to be automatically forced to have their group be the same as the group of the directory (rather than what it otherwise would have been). Modern use of both sticky bits only makes sense when they are specified on directories, not individual files. Chuck Kollars __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From les at futuresource.com Wed Aug 16 03:44:37 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:44:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Which distro for second server? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1155699877.28762.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 18:53, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > I have successfully migrated from my old K12LTSP 4.2 server to an > identical box running K12LTSP5.0 > I would now like to use the old box as a Backuppc server and to run > Windows XP under VMware server for some legacy apps. > Also looking to install Koha, library manager and Asterisk, VoIP PABX > system. > > I am quite familiar with Fedora having used it for a few years now > with K12LTSP. I have also installed Ubuntu at home and find it quite > easy to use. > > I am trying to decide which distribution to use for the backup server. > Here are the pluses and minuses for each as I see it. > > K12LTSP- > + > Can use as a redundant load balancing terminal server as the demand > increases -- > increased performance / reliability > Could set up proxy to yum updates only have to be downloaded once --> > (save a few bucks on internet charges) > - > Trickier to set up Backuppc (I had a hard time trying last year.) > > UBUNTU > + > Easy to install Backuppc (apt-get backuppc does most of the work > automatically) > VMware server is also in apt-get repositories > easy LAMP (web server) installation option > - > Another system to understand and maintain > > Any other point that could help my decision? One other option to consider: use the K12LTSP4.2.3EL version based on Centos. Everything will be very familiar and you can expect it to keep working with 'yum update' for several more years. It makes a nice stable base to run vmware server for more experimental things. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Wed Aug 16 07:35:21 2006 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 01:35:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] home directory listing for teachers In-Reply-To: <20060815151612.113CD4903A0@ephesus.modevia.com> References: <20060815151612.113CD4903A0@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <44E2CAB9.3060708@physics.isu.edu> Paul Lemke wrote: > Ok, I think I got it. You were right in stating to use the sticky bit... > chmod g+s > > That works great. :) I also setup in smb.conf the "inherit permissions = > yes". I also set my create mask to 660, and directory mask to 770. > You may try directory mask of 2770 so that all subdirectories created through samba will have the equivalent of chmod g+s set on them.. Ben From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Aug 16 12:02:23 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:02:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] home directory listing for teachers In-Reply-To: <44E2CAB9.3060708@physics.isu.edu> References: <20060815151612.113CD4903A0@ephesus.modevia.com> <44E2CAB9.3060708@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <654B7E4E-656B-49B1-9919-D7C42C7CDE47@mindfirestudios.com> One other interesting thing, can't you also make a drop folder 5770? owned by teacher:class? That would allow students from a grade to drop files in it that they would no longer own but they could still read and write to if they had private groups. They have full permissions on the folder but can't delete any files (sticky bit owned by the teacher) and they can't only read and write the files of other students if the umask was set right. Someone correct me here if this is wrong. On Aug 16, 2006, at 2:35 AM, Ben Nickell wrote: > Paul Lemke wrote: >> Ok, I think I got it. You were right in stating to use the sticky >> bit... chmod g+s >> That works great. :) I also setup in smb.conf the "inherit >> permissions = >> yes". I also set my create mask to 660, and directory mask to 770. > > You may try directory mask of 2770 so that all subdirectories > created through samba will have the equivalent of chmod g+s set on > them.. > > Ben > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lists at paulandmichelle.net Wed Aug 16 12:44:40 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:44:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] home directory listing for teachers In-Reply-To: <44E2CAB9.3060708@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <20060816124440.D83354905FC@ephesus.modevia.com> Awesome, thanks! This really helps and works like a charm. The teachers are going to be freaking out this year with all the cool stuff they can do. :) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Ben Nickell Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 2:35 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] home directory listing for teachers Paul Lemke wrote: > Ok, I think I got it. You were right in stating to use the sticky bit... > chmod g+s > > That works great. :) I also setup in smb.conf the "inherit permissions = > yes". I also set my create mask to 660, and directory mask to 770. > You may try directory mask of 2770 so that all subdirectories created through samba will have the equivalent of chmod g+s set on them.. Ben _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Aug 16 12:51:06 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:51:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] home directory listing for teachers In-Reply-To: <20060815031704.40FAC490355@ephesus.modevia.com> References: <20060815031704.40FAC490355@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <20060816124910.M55641@winonacotter.org> > Ideally I'd love to setup a samba share for the teachers. It would list > folders for each grade (five, six, etc.), I've been out for a while and haven't read the whole thread yet. But, I would suggest that you go with graduation years as opposed to grade to make your user groups. Otherwise every year you have the pain staking task of migrating all users from one folder to another, and if you have groups setup, migrating them from one group to another. Go with graduation years and the same setup lasts for the duration they are in the system. It has saved me a lot of greif over the years. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Aug 16 13:01:56 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:01:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Existing users and moving to LDAP In-Reply-To: <2206A16D-D6E4-473A-8F75-75D65C178BB3@mindfirestudios.com> References: <2206A16D-D6E4-473A-8F75-75D65C178BB3@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <20060816125527.M84430@winonacotter.org> > Is there any way to do that? I've got a set of boxes I want to switch to LDAP and have the same obstacle ahead. I wonder, I remember seeing the post that if you use my old information about setting up Webmin to manage LDAP it now works for LDAP and samba. I wonder if you use Webmin to export the current users out, build the new server with LDAP, then use Webmin to import the users back in if it would work? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Aug 16 13:44:24 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:44:24 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Existing users and moving to LDAP In-Reply-To: <20060816125527.M84430@winonacotter.org> References: <2206A16D-D6E4-473A-8F75-75D65C178BB3@mindfirestudios.com> <20060816125527.M84430@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <44E32138.1030500@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> Is there any way to do that? > > I've got a set of boxes I want to switch to LDAP and have the same obstacle > ahead. I wonder, I remember seeing the post that if you use my old > information about setting up Webmin to manage LDAP it now works for LDAP and > samba. I wonder if you use Webmin to export the current users out, build the > new server with LDAP, then use Webmin to import the users back in if it would > work? > The smbldap-tools has a script to rip stuff from /etc/passwd etc into ldap, this might help. Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Aug 16 13:51:02 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:51:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Existing users and moving to LDAP In-Reply-To: <44E32138.1030500@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <2206A16D-D6E4-473A-8F75-75D65C178BB3@mindfirestudios.com> <20060816125527.M84430@winonacotter.org> <44E32138.1030500@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <71E37B1F-4AC6-49C2-A4CE-EBCED4A33A8E@mindfirestudios.com> >>> Is there any way to do that? >> I've got a set of boxes I want to switch to LDAP and have the same >> obstacle >> ahead. I wonder, I remember seeing the post that if you use my old >> information about setting up Webmin to manage LDAP it now works >> for LDAP and >> samba. I wonder if you use Webmin to export the current users >> out, build the >> new server with LDAP, then use Webmin to import the users back in >> if it would >> work? > > The smbldap-tools has a script to rip stuff from /etc/passwd etc > into ldap, this might help. I must have missed that one!!!! > > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not > necessarily the views of Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Aug 16 15:25:35 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:25:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Existing users and moving to LDAP In-Reply-To: <71E37B1F-4AC6-49C2-A4CE-EBCED4A33A8E@mindfirestudios.com> References: <2206A16D-D6E4-473A-8F75-75D65C178BB3@mindfirestudios.com> <20060816125527.M84430@winonacotter.org> <44E32138.1030500@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <71E37B1F-4AC6-49C2-A4CE-EBCED4A33A8E@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <20060816152519.M87821@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:51:02 -0500, Burke Almquist wrote > >>> Is there any way to do that? > >> I've got a set of boxes I want to switch to LDAP and have the same > >> obstacle > >> ahead. I wonder, I remember seeing the post that if you use my old > >> information about setting up Webmin to manage LDAP it now works > >> for LDAP and > >> samba. I wonder if you use Webmin to export the current users > >> out, build the > >> new server with LDAP, then use Webmin to import the users back in > >> if it would > >> work? > > > > The smbldap-tools has a script to rip stuff from /etc/passwd etc > > into ldap, this might help. > I must have missed that one!!!! I also found this as well: http://www.padl.com/OSS/MigrationTools.html -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Aug 16 15:26:12 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:26:12 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Existing users and moving to LDAP In-Reply-To: <71E37B1F-4AC6-49C2-A4CE-EBCED4A33A8E@mindfirestudios.com> References: <2206A16D-D6E4-473A-8F75-75D65C178BB3@mindfirestudios.com> <20060816125527.M84430@winonacotter.org> <44E32138.1030500@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <71E37B1F-4AC6-49C2-A4CE-EBCED4A33A8E@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <44E33914.7070005@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Burke Almquist wrote: >>>> Is there any way to do that? >>> I've got a set of boxes I want to switch to LDAP and have the same >>> obstacle >>> ahead. I wonder, I remember seeing the post that if you use my old >>> information about setting up Webmin to manage LDAP it now works for >>> LDAP and >>> samba. I wonder if you use Webmin to export the current users out, >>> build the >>> new server with LDAP, then use Webmin to import the users back in if >>> it would >>> work? >> >> The smbldap-tools has a script to rip stuff from /etc/passwd etc into >> ldap, this might help. > I must have missed that one!!!! > > >> >> Brian Chivers >> Portsmouth College >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> The views expressed here are my own and not >> necessarily the views of Portsmouth College >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Can't remember what it's called but I do remember that there was a script to do this. Might be worth having a look in the tar of the smbldap-tools & the samba/ldap howto. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From moquist at majen.net Wed Aug 16 16:38:35 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:38:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: re: smbldap-install start from scratch. Really! (Robert Moskowitz) In-Reply-To: <20060815160019.31ACD73D61@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060815160019.31ACD73D61@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060816163835.GB8195@majen.net> > Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 11:04:51 -0400 > From: "Robert Moskowitz" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] re: smbldap-install start from scratch. Really! (Robert Moskowitz) > Per documentation I ran: ./smbldap all > It got to backing up /etc/opt/IDEALX/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf and got: > failure! > I'm stopping here because this is bad. > Correct the error by hand and re-run this script. > > When I look at the log, I see: > > Runing smbldap-populate... > printf "ldappwd/ldappwd" | smbldap-populate -a root -u 10000 -g 10000 > erreur LDAP: Can't contact master ldap server (IO::Socket::INET: > connect: Connection refused) at /usr/sbin//smbldap_tools.pm line 270. > Populating LDAP directory for domain IDEALX-NT > (S-1-5-21-4205727931-4131263253-1851132061) > (using builtin directory structure) > > failure! > /*snip*/ > So what now?????? Are you on Fedora or Ubuntu? If you're on Fedora, do you have selinux and the firewall disabled/off? --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From rgm at htt-consult.com Wed Aug 16 18:05:11 2006 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:05:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: re: smbldap-install start from scratch. Really! (Robert Moskowitz) In-Reply-To: <20060816163835.GB8195@majen.net> References: <20060815160019.31ACD73D61@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44E35E57.1020202@htt-consult.com> Matt Oquist wrote: >> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 11:04:51 -0400 >> From: "Robert Moskowitz" >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] re: smbldap-install start from scratch. Really! (Robert Moskowitz) >> Per documentation I ran: ./smbldap all >> It got to backing up /etc/opt/IDEALX/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf and got: >> failure! >> I'm stopping here because this is bad. >> Correct the error by hand and re-run this script. >> >> When I look at the log, I see: >> >> Runing smbldap-populate... >> printf "ldappwd/ldappwd" | smbldap-populate -a root -u 10000 -g 10000 >> erreur LDAP: Can't contact master ldap server (IO::Socket::INET: >> connect: Connection refused) at /usr/sbin//smbldap_tools.pm line 270. >> Populating LDAP directory for domain IDEALX-NT >> (S-1-5-21-4205727931-4131263253-1851132061) >> (using builtin directory structure) >> >> failure! >> >> > /*snip*/ > >> So what now?????? >> > > Are you on Fedora or Ubuntu? > > If you're on Fedora, do you have selinux and the firewall > disabled/off? I am on Centos. I got the various rpms you need for Centos from the DAG and Karanbir repos. You told me to select fc5 for Centos.... Both selinux and firewall are off. From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Wed Aug 16 19:06:13 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:06:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade 64 bit system from k12LTSP beta 4(?) to release Message-ID: <44E36CA5.5000404@saskforestcentre.ca> I'm having "issues" updating a k12LTSP machine from a later beta (4, I think, but it might be 5): rpm -q k12ltsp-release k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0d It fails, looking for http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-64bit/RPMS/updates/ltsp_config-0.0.38-k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm I had a quick look, and the file really doesn't exist. I thought I would look in the 32bit archive, figuring that I could probably use a noarch file anyway: http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-32bit/RPMS/updates/ltsp_i386-config-4.2.0-4.k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm I'm about to install the 32bit version of the file, on the assumption that it should work... Any suggestions? Angus Carr. From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Wed Aug 16 19:11:35 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:11:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade 64 bit system from k12LTSP beta 4(?) to release In-Reply-To: <44E36CA5.5000404@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <44E36CA5.5000404@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <44E36DE7.30001@saskforestcentre.ca> Me again. I did the rpm -Uvh http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-32bit/RPMS/updates/ltsp_i386-config-4.2.0-4.k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm but it didn't solve the essential error caused by the yum upgrade. Angus Carr. Angus Carr wrote: > I'm having "issues" updating a k12LTSP machine from a later beta (4, I > think, but it might be 5): > rpm -q k12ltsp-release > k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0d > > It fails, looking for > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-64bit/RPMS/updates/ltsp_config-0.0.38-k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm > > > I had a quick look, and the file really doesn't exist. I thought I > would look in the 32bit archive, figuring that I could probably use a > noarch file anyway: > > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-32bit/RPMS/updates/ltsp_i386-config-4.2.0-4.k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm > > > I'm about to install the 32bit version of the file, on the assumption > that it should work... > > Any suggestions? > > Angus Carr. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 16 19:14:20 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:14:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade 64 bit system from k12LTSP beta 4(?) to release In-Reply-To: <44E36DE7.30001@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <44E36CA5.5000404@saskforestcentre.ca> <44E36DE7.30001@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <44E36E8C.6010005@mesd.k12.or.us> Can you: rpm -V k12ltsp-release -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 Angus Carr wrote: > Me again. I did the rpm -Uvh > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-32bit/RPMS/updates/ltsp_i386-config-4.2.0-4.k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm > > > but it didn't solve the essential error caused by the yum upgrade. > > Angus Carr. > > Angus Carr wrote: >> I'm having "issues" updating a k12LTSP machine from a later beta (4, I >> think, but it might be 5): >> rpm -q k12ltsp-release >> k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0d >> >> It fails, looking for >> http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-64bit/RPMS/updates/ltsp_config-0.0.38-k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm >> >> >> I had a quick look, and the file really doesn't exist. I thought I >> would look in the 32bit archive, figuring that I could probably use a >> noarch file anyway: >> >> http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-32bit/RPMS/updates/ltsp_i386-config-4.2.0-4.k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm >> >> >> I'm about to install the 32bit version of the file, on the assumption >> that it should work... >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Angus Carr. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Wed Aug 16 19:30:19 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:30:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade 64 bit system from k12LTSP beta 4(?) to release In-Reply-To: <44E36E8C.6010005@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44E36CA5.5000404@saskforestcentre.ca> <44E36DE7.30001@saskforestcentre.ca> <44E36E8C.6010005@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44E3724B.7040000@saskforestcentre.ca> Dan Young wrote: > Can you: > > rpm -V k12ltsp-release > > rpm -V k12ltsp-release ..5....T c /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp-webmin.repo Hmmm. Interesting. I will fuss with that... Perhaps I need to remove and re-install. Or perhaps add the repo. I enabled the repository, just because I could. Reran yum upgrade and got the same error. I then did a yum remove k12ltsp-config (which took -core with it) and then yum install k12ltsp-core and got the same error. Angus Carr. ps. The error message: ---> Downloading header for ltsp_config to pack into transaction set. http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-64bit/RPMS/updates/ltsp_config-0.0.38-k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:26:22 GMT Server: Apache/2.0.52 (CentOS) Content-Length: 363 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Trying other mirror. Error: failure: RPMS/updates/ltsp_config-0.0.38-k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 16 19:51:56 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:51:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade 64 bit system from k12LTSP beta 4(?) to release In-Reply-To: <44E36CA5.5000404@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <44E36CA5.5000404@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <44E3775C.3050605@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Angus Carr wrote: > I'm having "issues" updating a k12LTSP machine from a later beta (4, I > think, but it might be 5): > rpm -q k12ltsp-release > k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0d > > It fails, looking for > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-64bit/RPMS/updates/ltsp_config-0.0.38-k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm > > > I had a quick look, and the file really doesn't exist. I thought I would > look in the 32bit archive, figuring that I could probably use a noarch > file anyway: > > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-32bit/RPMS/updates/ltsp_i386-config-4.2.0-4.k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm > > > I'm about to install the 32bit version of the file, on the assumption > that it should work... > > Any suggestions? > > Angus Carr. That file was moved to a different directory some time ago, looks like you have a stale cache. Try running: yum clean all and then re-try running yum update... http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/5.0.0-64bit/x86_64/Fedora/RPMS/ltsp_config-0.0.38-k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm -Eric From scott at hosef.org Wed Aug 16 20:59:58 2006 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:59:58 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Lingering Release Issues In-Reply-To: References: <44DDBFDC.2000609@hosef.org> <44E15042.6090707@hosef.org> <44902.70.198.245.193.1155619975.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: <44E3874E.70808@hosef.org> Eric Harrison wrote: > On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, Jim McQuillan wrote: > >> On Tue, August 15, 2006 12:40 am, R. Scott Belford wrote: >>> Eric Harrison wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> try turning on swap, with LTSP 4.2 that is: >>>> >>>> LTSP_USE_NBD_SWAP=Y >> >> You've got it spelled incorrectly. >> >> It should be: >> >> USE_NBD_SWAP = Y >> >> Drop the leading 'LTSP_'. > > Doh! I must have ran "set | grep SWAP" & cut-and-pasted the output, > which as you note gives the wrong answer :-( > > Thanks for catching that Jim! BINGO I have to assume that we had enabled nfs swap a few years ago when this lab was installed. Without it, some of the clients simply did not work. I'm busy campaigning, but soon I will crack the cases and see what the nic/ram/video variables were between the functioning and non-functioning units. The server, fyi, is a generic athlon with 768mb. Jim and Eric - Thanks. And on behalf of the many teens at the Boys and Girls Club in Ewa Beach - Aloha --scott From petre at maltzen.net Wed Aug 16 21:00:27 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:00:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sound in Rhythmbox only works for one user Message-ID: <44E3876B.1040609@maltzen.net> I got Rhythmbox playing sound on the clients for one user (me, not as root), but when others try to play, say MP3 files, nothing happens when they click the Play button: no sound, the timer indicator doesn't move, etc. Perhaps a permissions issue somewhere? It's not a permissions issue on the MP3 files because the users can play those just fine through xmms. Does Rhythmbox need a special rc file or directory or some such in the users home directory which I might have but they're missing? Petre From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Wed Aug 16 21:47:42 2006 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:47:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] sound in Rhythmbox only works for one user In-Reply-To: <44E3876B.1040609@maltzen.net> References: <44E3876B.1040609@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1155764862.16123.20.camel@localhost> Petre- rhythmbox uses gstreamer. if you are using "esd" do this: 1. log in as a user with "sudo" privileges and run "sudo gconf-editor" OR log in and "su" to root (NOTE: "su" not "su -") and run "gconf-editor" 2. Go to: system > gstreamer > 0.10 > default 3. change the audiosink value to: "esdsink" and hit enter 4. right click on that field and select "Set as Mandatory" Next time the user logs in, you should get sound from rhythmbox Cheers, -Gadi On Wed, 2006-08-16 at 16:00 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > I got Rhythmbox playing sound on the clients for one user (me, not as root), but when > others try to play, say MP3 files, nothing happens when they click the Play button: no > sound, the timer indicator doesn't move, etc. Perhaps a permissions issue somewhere? > It's not a permissions issue on the MP3 files because the users can play those just fine > through xmms. Does Rhythmbox need a special rc file or directory or some such in the > users home directory which I might have but they're missing? > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Proud LTSP Developer ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Support LTSP! Buy your hardware at: www.DisklessWorkstations.com www.DisklessThinClients.com (use coupon code: LTSP5P for 5% off thin clients from DisklessThinClients.com) From aimssda at cscoms.com Thu Aug 17 02:32:38 2006 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (Edwardson) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:32:38 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Terminal Server Problem In-Reply-To: <20060816160023.D702373EA8@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060816160023.D702373EA8@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44E3D546.4040606@cscoms.com> Hi, I tried your suggestion but still the same thing happens. The other test machine goes straight to screen_02 and the other to screen_01. The machine that gets screen_01 (LTSP) can switch to TS login screen, but the other one can't. All configurations for LTS.CONF are in default (top) Thanks. Edward Message: 2 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:00:05 +1200 From: "Krsnendu Dasa" Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Terminal Server Problem To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On 16/08/06, Edwardson wrote: > > > > Hi, What do you mean geometry? Where do i set it? > e.g. rdesktop -g 600x800 try #rdesktop --help from shell to see different options. It's funny, i'm testing it on two machines. the other machines gets > > screen_02 (TS) on boot and the other machines get LTSP login screen upon > > boot. > While you are testing try setting screen_01=rdesktop Once you get it going you can change it back to screen_02 These screens can be set for each terminal or as the default at the top of lts.conf Where is yours specified? Please help. > > > > Edward > > > > > >> > >You probably need to specify some options for the rdesktop session. >> > > Perhaps > >> > >the default screen geometry is not supported by your thin client and you >> > >have to manually specify another geometry, for example. >> > > > >> > >On 16/08/06, Edwardson wrote: >> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > Hi, >>> > > > >>> > > > My problem is about terminal server. Earlier I was getting W2k3 >>> > > terminal > >>> > > > server login screen, but it's weird coz it's set to SCREEN_02. Then i >>> > > > did a yum update. After the update and restart, i have LTSP login >>> > > screen > >>> > > > (screen_01) but can't get terminal server login screen? I'm using K12 >>> > > 5.0. > >>> > > > >>> > > > Here's my setup. >>> > > > >>> > > > screen_01 = startx >>> > > > screen_02 = rdesktop >>> > > > RDP_SERVER = 192.168.1.200 >>> > > > >>> > > > Please help. >>> > > > >>> > > > Edward >>> > > > >>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > > K12OSN mailing list >>> > > > K12OSN at redhat.com >>> > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> > > > For more info see >>> > > > >>> >> > > >> > > -------------- next part ------- From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Thu Aug 17 03:00:51 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:00:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Terminal Server Problem In-Reply-To: <44E3D546.4040606@cscoms.com> References: <20060816160023.D702373EA8@hormel.redhat.com> <44E3D546.4040606@cscoms.com> Message-ID: <44E3DBE3.5060402@sau14.k12.nh.us> Edward, Try this: SCREEN_01 = startx SCREEN_02 = rdesktop -fa 16 192.168.1.200 Also, are you having a problem with going from the xwindow login screen (SCREEN_01) to Windows TS login screen (SCREEN_02)? Or are you upset that Windows TS comes up first periodically instead of xwindow after you boot a terminal? -Paul Edwardson wrote: > Hi, > > I tried your suggestion but still the same thing happens. The other > test machine goes straight to screen_02 and the other to screen_01. > The machine that gets screen_01 (LTSP) can switch to TS login screen, > but the other one can't. > > All configurations for LTS.CONF are in default (top) > > Thanks. > > Edward > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:00:05 +1200 > From: "Krsnendu Dasa" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Terminal Server Problem > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On 16/08/06, Edwardson wrote: > >> > >> > Hi, What do you mean geometry? Where do i set it? >> > > > e.g. rdesktop -g 600x800 > try #rdesktop --help from shell to see different options. > > > It's funny, i'm testing it on two machines. the other machines gets > >> > screen_02 (TS) on boot and the other machines get LTSP login screen >> upon >> > boot. >> > > > While you are testing try setting screen_01=rdesktop > Once you get it going you can change it back to screen_02 > These screens can be set for each terminal or as the default at the > top of > lts.conf > Where is yours specified? > > Please help. > >> > >> > Edward >> > >> > >> >>> > >You probably need to specify some options for the rdesktop session. >>> >> > Perhaps >> >>> > >the default screen geometry is not supported by your thin client >>> and you >>> > >have to manually specify another geometry, for example. >>> >> > >> >>> > >On 16/08/06, Edwardson wrote: >>> >> > >> >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Hi, >>>> > > > >>>> > > > My problem is about terminal server. Earlier I was getting W2k3 >>>> >> > terminal >> >>>> > > > server login screen, but it's weird coz it's set to >>>> SCREEN_02. Then i >>>> > > > did a yum update. After the update and restart, i have LTSP >>>> login >>>> >> > screen >> >>>> > > > (screen_01) but can't get terminal server login screen? I'm >>>> using K12 >>>> >> > 5.0. >> >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Here's my setup. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > screen_01 = startx >>>> > > > screen_02 = rdesktop >>>> > > > RDP_SERVER = 192.168.1.200 >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Please help. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Edward >>>> > > > >>>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>>> > > > K12OSN mailing list >>>> > > > K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> > > > For more info see >>>> > > > >>>> >>> > > >>> >> > -------------- next part ------- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Paul VanGundy Director of Technology Epping School District P: 603.679.8003 x105 F: 603.679.2196 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Thu Aug 17 03:30:11 2006 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:30:11 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba / W2K login script issue Message-ID: <1155785411.4769.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey folks, I've run into a problem with a W2K machine and winders login scripts. I've tried googling Samba.org and tried a couple of the suggestions in their archives, without any success. I've searched through the K12OSN digests without any luck. So, now I'm going to ask here. I have a W2K (SP4) computer logging in to my FC5 / Samba 3.0xxxx server. Samba is set up to act a the PDC. This works fine. I can use network neighbourhood and see all the share. I can access all the shares. If I try to launch the login script from \\servername\netlogon I get an error message about UNC paths, then it proceeds as below. I can manually map Z: to the netlogon share and run the login script. This produces the following error message "net use h: /home The user's home directory could not be determined More help is available by typing NET HELPMSG 3915" (which tells me to create the user's home directory) The user's home directory exists. the unix permissions are 777, samba permissions are RW to all known users. The rest of the login script will map all the drives. The script DOESN'T run automagically when the user logs in to the network. I've put a pause into the script to ensure it stays on screen. It doesn't. I suspect the problem lies in the [global] section of my smb.conf, but please don't let that limit any help you can give. Thanks, Bert (long time lurking on this list) From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Aug 17 09:21:41 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:21:41 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba / W2K login script issue In-Reply-To: <1155785411.4769.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1155785411.4769.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44E43525.7090005@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Bert Rolston wrote: > Hey folks, > > I've run into a problem with a W2K machine and winders login scripts. > > I've tried googling Samba.org and tried a couple of the suggestions in > their archives, without any success. > > I've searched through the K12OSN digests without any luck. > > So, now I'm going to ask here. > > I have a W2K (SP4) computer logging in to my FC5 / Samba 3.0xxxx server. > Samba is set up to act a the PDC. This works fine. > > I can use network neighbourhood and see all the share. I can access all > the shares. > > If I try to launch the login script from \\servername\netlogon I get an > error message about UNC paths, then it proceeds as below. > > I can manually map Z: to the netlogon share and run the login script. > > This produces the following error message > > "net use h: /home > The user's home directory could not be determined > More help is available by typing NET HELPMSG 3915" (which tells me to > create the user's home directory) > > The user's home directory exists. the unix permissions are 777, samba > permissions are RW to all known users. > > The rest of the login script will map all the drives. > > The script DOESN'T run automagically when the user logs in to the > network. I've put a pause into the script to ensure it stays on screen. > It doesn't. > > I suspect the problem lies in the [global] section of my smb.conf, but > please don't let that limit any help you can give. > > Thanks, > Bert (long time lurking on this list) > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > This is what I have on my Samba 3.x box smb.conf global section :- logon script = startup.bat startup.bat is :- NET USE x: /delete NET USE x: \\rho2\netlogon set USERPROFILE=%HOMEDRIVE% set TEMP=c:\temp set TMP=c:\temp %0\..\kix32 %0\..\logon.kix GOTO END and I use kixstart to map the drives, it kix32 lives in the netlogon share and this is what the logon.kix script contains (editted just to important bits) login.kix contains :- Use P: /delete Use P: "\\rho2\homes" IF @ERROR = 0 ? "Connected to Home Dir" ELSE ? "Not Connected to Home Dir" ENDIF USE X: /DELETE /PERSISTENT The last line is important for me as I don't like students seeing whats in the netlogon share :-) If you'd like more info about any of this drop me a line Brian Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Thu Aug 17 12:54:35 2006 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 06:54:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Specify the correct sound module, onboard video settings, a new school year, and an update on RMSEL Message-ID: <44E4670B.6010406@earthlink.net> Hello everyone: We are getting ready for the new school year to start next week. Our biggest news this year is that teachers want even more computers in their rooms. The past two years we've made sure every teacher had at least four, and sometimes six in each classroom. The past two years have gone so well, hardly any downtime, everything has been working beautifully. We had $11,000 left in our budget from last school year because of k12ltsp, and the improvements we've made to the entire system over the last five years, so we were able to add some additional wiring to three classrooms and we are installing "mini-labs" in them. Two middle school humanities classrooms will have 8 computers each, and the high school Science & Technology class will have 16 computers. Of course I have been on the hunt all summer for smaller machines to put into these classrooms and found that I really like the small Dell GX150 -- with the pxe boot capability, the USB ports right on the front, they configure beautifully, sound is detected on boot, making them really easy to drop into the building, plus the computer tables aren't so crowded in the classrooms. Well, they are my favorite computer for RMSEL right now. A lot of them seem to be on the shelf at the recylers right now. Someone donated four Dell GX60 desktops, which look just like the GX150s -- I thought I was going to tear my hair out getting sound and video to work properly. Sound has become an absolute must now because of all the web-based educational programs out there. We are a K-12 school. I learned two things yesterday that will help me in the future: Since the sound module wasn't detected automatically and none of the sound modules I had previously had to specify with other difficult workstations were correct, I went to the Dell website to find what type of soundcard came with that model. (More precisely what chipset was used.) "Analog Devices ADI 198x Integrated Audio" was listed under audio driver downloads. I googled that with the word chipset and found some discussion that said this was a common Intel chipset that was used on lots of laptops and other desktops with onboard sound and video. I didn't know where there was a listing of the sound modules for ltsp, but decided to read thoroughly everything that was posted on the wiki about sound. I found a paper on the wiki about getting sound to work that referenced this file: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/audiolist. Bingo! I found the sound module listed for Intel Corporation and I set SMODULE_01 = i810_audio and it worked on reboot! Is it possible to reference this file, audiolist, in the "lts.conf" file. I know there are too many sound modules to include a listing like you do for the XSERVER drivers (which is a huge help when you have a video card that won't configure automatically, you can look at the label on the chipset and find the correct module in lts.conf), but just to know that the file audiolist is there and where it lives would have been great information to have had long ago. I've struggled before with getting the right sound modules and stumbled on the right one in an email post. But I was never so glad to find this file. Many thanks to the author of this document (document says it was last updated June 25, 2003) on the wiki: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3ASound in which it states: "The first thing this script will do is attempt to load any sound modules which have been defined (SMODULE_0? = ????) in lts.conf. If no sound modules were manually specified, or the ones specified did not load properly, the rc.sound script probes the PCI bus and tries to load the modules for any sound cards it finds (as defined in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/audiolist). " YEAH!! My next challenge with the GX60 was the video -- the screen on two of them displayed normally, and on two the login screen was huge and when I logged into the desktop everything was huge. I tried setting the desktop manually to 1024x768 but that didn't work. I went into the bios settings and discovered that when I increased the ram from 1 MB to 8 MB (the maximum) in the onboard devices > video settings the desktop looked great. I also turned some video setting to ENABLED that had been DISABLED ( I can't remember what it was, but it made sense to at least try it, and it improved the appearance of the video so I went with it). I know the above information might be very basic to some of you, but hopefully this will save someone some time. Have a great school year everyone, Rita Gibson RMSELTech P.S. If you haven't done so already, check out Steve Hargadon's interviews about k12ltsp and linux in schools at http://www.K12OpenSource.com/interviews I would love to see our district embrace k12ltsp -- I wonder if I could get one of the big honchos to listen in? From petre at maltzen.net Thu Aug 17 12:56:48 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 07:56:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sound in Rhythmbox only works for one user In-Reply-To: <1155764862.16123.20.camel@localhost> References: <44E3876B.1040609@maltzen.net> <1155764862.16123.20.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <44E46790.6050002@maltzen.net> Thanks Gideon! That worked...mostly. The gconf-editor wasn't installed (should it have been?) so yum was my friend. After installing it and making the changes, sound on Rhythmbox started working for all the users except one. The one difference with this user is that I copied all her $HOME files from our old 4.2.2 server to her home directory on this new 5.0 server; she's the only one where I needed to do that. I suspect that some old setting/file was brought along that is interfering. To copy the files, I just used ran 'scp oldbox:/home/pam/* /home/pam/' on the new box. This isn't the best way because it seems to miss any hidden directories, e.g., .ssh/. So, OTOH, if I did bring along an interfering config file/directory, I'd expect it to be a hidden one of which I don't think I got many, if any. Any other ideas? Thanks for your help. Petre Gideon Romm wrote: > Petre- > > rhythmbox uses gstreamer. if you are using "esd" do this: > > 1. log in as a user with "sudo" privileges and run "sudo gconf-editor" > OR log in and "su" to root (NOTE: "su" not "su -") and run > "gconf-editor" > 2. Go to: system > gstreamer > 0.10 > default > 3. change the audiosink value to: "esdsink" and hit enter > 4. right click on that field and select "Set as Mandatory" > > Next time the user logs in, you should get sound from rhythmbox > > Cheers, > > -Gadi > > On Wed, 2006-08-16 at 16:00 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: >> I got Rhythmbox playing sound on the clients for one user (me, not as root), but when >> others try to play, say MP3 files, nothing happens when they click the Play button: no >> sound, the timer indicator doesn't move, etc. Perhaps a permissions issue somewhere? >> It's not a permissions issue on the MP3 files because the users can play those just fine >> through xmms. Does Rhythmbox need a special rc file or directory or some such in the >> users home directory which I might have but they're missing? >> >> Petre >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Aug 17 12:58:40 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:28:40 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Specify the correct sound module, onboard video settings, a new school year, and an update on RMSEL In-Reply-To: <44E4670B.6010406@earthlink.net> References: <44E4670B.6010406@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <774593a20608170558q29a90027o2b126301133deca7@mail.gmail.com> On 17/08/06, Rita Gibson wrote: [SNIP] Way to go. I am impressed with (mis)utilisation of last years left over budget ;-) > My next challenge with the GX60 was the video -- the screen on two of > them displayed normally, and on two the login screen was huge and when I > logged into the desktop everything was huge. I tried setting the desktop > manually to 1024x768 but that didn't work. I went into the bios settings > and discovered that when I increased the ram from 1 MB to 8 MB (the > maximum) in the onboard devices > video settings the desktop looked > great. I also turned some video setting to ENABLED that had been > DISABLED ( I can't remember what it was, but it made sense to at least > try it, and it improved the appearance of the video so I went with it). Chances are that the vedio is also i810. In my experience setting XSERVER=vesa works most of time with i810 chipset. Some one else had pointed out setting specific ram settings in lts.conf works. Look up the list. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From rsargent at wrvs.us Thu Aug 17 14:03:11 2006 From: rsargent at wrvs.us (Robert Sargent) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:03:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] libpam_mount for k12ltsp Message-ID: Hello all from a first time poster, Is there a libpam_mount plugin, like the one for the Debian distribution, that installs into the K12LTSP distro? I have winbind working. I have the thinclients authenticating to my school's Windows 2003 AD. The thinclient makes a local home directory automagically. I am looking to have the home directory used on the Windows side mount automatically on the thinclient so student work will be easily available on either a Windows workstation or a thinclient. Bob Sargent Technology Coordinator Waits River Valley School From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Aug 17 14:46:15 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 07:46:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] libpam_mount for k12ltsp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44E48137.9090708@mesd.k12.or.us> Robert Sargent wrote: > Is there a libpam_mount plugin, like the one for the Debian distribution, > that installs into the K12LTSP distro? It's available from Fedora Extras: yum install pam_mount -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Thu Aug 17 14:51:57 2006 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:51:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] sound in Rhythmbox only works for one user In-Reply-To: <44E46790.6050002@maltzen.net> References: <44E3876B.1040609@maltzen.net> <1155764862.16123.20.camel@localhost> <44E46790.6050002@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1155826317.13530.5.camel@localhost> Petre- Try logging in as that user and either open a terminal and run: gstreamer-properties (which will bring up a GUI and choose "esd" as the audio sink) OR I believe in Fedora the same GUI can be opened by going to: System -> Preferences -> Multimedia System Selector (or some such) (They keep moving the menu around, so I have gotten accustomed to knowing how to run the GUIs from a terminal window ;) ) In the future, you could do: scp -r oldbox:/home/pam /home/ Be sure that all of the permissions and ownerships are preserved. I usually prefer to use rsync, because if the connection breaks while transferring the files, you can pick up where you left off. Cheers, -Gideon On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 07:56 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > Thanks Gideon! That worked...mostly. The gconf-editor wasn't installed (should it have > been?) so yum was my friend. After installing it and making the changes, sound on > Rhythmbox started working for all the users except one. The one difference with this > user is that I copied all her $HOME files from our old 4.2.2 server to her home > directory on this new 5.0 server; she's the only one where I needed to do that. I > suspect that some old setting/file was brought along that is interfering. To copy the > files, I just used ran 'scp oldbox:/home/pam/* /home/pam/' on the new box. This isn't > the best way because it seems to miss any hidden directories, e.g., .ssh/. So, OTOH, if > I did bring along an interfering config file/directory, I'd expect it to be a hidden one > of which I don't think I got many, if any. Any other ideas? Thanks for your help. > > Petre > > Gideon Romm wrote: > > Petre- > > > > rhythmbox uses gstreamer. if you are using "esd" do this: > > > > 1. log in as a user with "sudo" privileges and run "sudo gconf-editor" > > OR log in and "su" to root (NOTE: "su" not "su -") and run > > "gconf-editor" > > 2. Go to: system > gstreamer > 0.10 > default > > 3. change the audiosink value to: "esdsink" and hit enter > > 4. right click on that field and select "Set as Mandatory" > > > > Next time the user logs in, you should get sound from rhythmbox > > > > Cheers, > > > > -Gadi > > > > On Wed, 2006-08-16 at 16:00 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > >> I got Rhythmbox playing sound on the clients for one user (me, not as root), but when > >> others try to play, say MP3 files, nothing happens when they click the Play button: no > >> sound, the timer indicator doesn't move, etc. Perhaps a permissions issue somewhere? > >> It's not a permissions issue on the MP3 files because the users can play those just fine > >> through xmms. Does Rhythmbox need a special rc file or directory or some such in the > >> users home directory which I might have but they're missing? > >> > >> Petre > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Proud LTSP Developer ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Support LTSP! Buy your hardware at: www.DisklessWorkstations.com www.DisklessThinClients.com (use coupon code: LTSP5P for 5% off thin clients from DisklessThinClients.com) From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Aug 17 15:22:56 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:22:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Bug? does anyone have rdesktop working via lts.conf in K12 v5? Message-ID: <2be970b50608170822h4a1f7a3buafdc8003eaed136e@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I have been unable to start rdesktop as an option from lts.conf, although bash, telnet and the GUI login work fine. Has anyone been able to make this work or is this a bug? John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Aug 17 16:41:32 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:41:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Samba / W2K login script issue In-Reply-To: <1155785411.4769.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1155785411.4769.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: If the computer is saying there is a problem with UNC paths, likely that has n othing to do woth the server. But, make sure your path for the netlogon directory is correct and that there is actually logon.bat in there and make sure your smb.conf says logon.bat is the logon script to be run. my example: Server location for login script for group "Users" /samba/netlogon/users logon script in the above listed directory: logon.bat in the smb.conf file under "global" make sure there is a line: logon script = logon.bat Make sure there is a [netlogon] directive. make sure the path in it is correct for the netlogon directory. Make sure the directory is readable by all users. Restart samba If you need further assistance, send me a copy of your smb.conf file and I will look at it and see if I can find anything wrong with it. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 17 Aug 2006, Bert Rolston wrote: > Hey folks, > > I've run into a problem with a W2K machine and winders login scripts. > > I've tried googling Samba.org and tried a couple of the suggestions in > their archives, without any success. > > I've searched through the K12OSN digests without any luck. > > So, now I'm going to ask here. > > I have a W2K (SP4) computer logging in to my FC5 / Samba 3.0xxxx server. > Samba is set up to act a the PDC. This works fine. > > I can use network neighbourhood and see all the share. I can access all > the shares. > > If I try to launch the login script from \\servername\netlogon I get an > error message about UNC paths, then it proceeds as below. > > I can manually map Z: to the netlogon share and run the login script. > > This produces the following error message > > "net use h: /home > The user's home directory could not be determined > More help is available by typing NET HELPMSG 3915" (which tells me to > create the user's home directory) > > The user's home directory exists. the unix permissions are 777, samba > permissions are RW to all known users. > > The rest of the login script will map all the drives. > > The script DOESN'T run automagically when the user logs in to the > network. I've put a pause into the script to ensure it stays on screen. > It doesn't. > > I suspect the problem lies in the [global] section of my smb.conf, but > please don't let that limit any help you can give. > > Thanks, > Bert (long time lurking on this list) > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From barry at yellowdog.com Thu Aug 17 17:04:02 2006 From: barry at yellowdog.com (Barry Solof) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:04:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound Issues Message-ID: <44E4A182.80406@yellowdog.com> Hi, I'm trying to finish an install of a 5.0.0 K12ltsp server and it is *almost* ready. Unfortunately, trying to get sound on the terminals has been very frustrating. I've tried countless Google searches and changed a bunch of things in lts.conf but still can't get sound working. The server: a Dell Poweredge with dual 933 processors, 2 gig ram, scsi drives. All yum updates applied. The terminals: Dell GXa and GX1 computers with built in CS4236B sound cards. lts.conf has the line: SMODULE_01 = "cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1" When the terminals boot, you'll see a line that modprobe has found a cs4236b device at io=0x534 irq=5 and dma=1. Yet the next line reads "probe of 01:01:00 failed with and error code of -16". Is the cs4232 driver the correct one for the cs4236b? Is there something else that needs to be configured or updated to get the sound to work? Otherwise, the rest of the system seems to be running very well. Programs launch quickly and run rather nicely. The ability to access floppies and cds by default is *very* nice. All help and ideas is greatly appreciated. Many thanks, Barry From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Thu Aug 17 17:28:47 2006 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:28:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound Issues In-Reply-To: <44E4A182.80406@yellowdog.com> References: <44E4A182.80406@yellowdog.com> Message-ID: <1155835727.13530.14.camel@localhost> It could be that there is no OSS driver for your sound card on the 2.6 kernel. If this is the case, you can try using my esd+alsa package for LTSP. Just install it, and then specify the sound module to be: SMODULE_01 = "snd-cs4236" here's a link to the package for download: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 HTH, -Gideon On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 13:04 -0400, Barry Solof wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to finish an install of a 5.0.0 K12ltsp server and it is > *almost* ready. Unfortunately, trying to get sound on the terminals has > been very frustrating. I've tried countless Google searches and changed > a bunch of things in lts.conf but still can't get sound working. > > > The server: a Dell Poweredge with dual 933 processors, 2 gig ram, scsi > drives. All yum updates applied. > The terminals: Dell GXa and GX1 computers with built in CS4236B sound cards. > > lts.conf has the line: > > SMODULE_01 = "cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1" > > > When the terminals boot, you'll see a line that modprobe has found a > cs4236b device at io=0x534 irq=5 and dma=1. Yet the next line reads > "probe of 01:01:00 failed with and error code of -16". > > Is the cs4232 driver the correct one for the cs4236b? Is there > something else that needs to be configured or updated to get the sound > to work? > > Otherwise, the rest of the system seems to be running very well. > Programs launch quickly and run rather nicely. The ability to access > floppies and cds by default is *very* nice. > > All help and ideas is greatly appreciated. > > Many thanks, > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Proud LTSP Developer ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Support LTSP! Buy your hardware at: www.DisklessWorkstations.com www.DisklessThinClients.com (use coupon code: LTSP5P for 5% off thin clients from DisklessThinClients.com) From albertocastillo at hotmail.com Thu Aug 17 19:07:24 2006 From: albertocastillo at hotmail.com (Alberto Castillo) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:07:24 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC question! Message-ID: Hi Everybody!!! I write from Argentina, and this is the first time I have write to you! I have a little cuestion: I can see that the VNC that have k12 is amazing, you can login from a dialog box like LTSP!!! we use this with IBM Ps/ValuePoint 425Sx (486 no coprocessor, 8MB ram + microdistribution linux make for us!) and works fine!. We have in some schools k12 3 & 4.2, but for investigation for others linux, I need know how works the scripts that uses VNC in K12, and if somebody know how to work vncserver with inetd (no xinetd) I really apreciate very much this, also any tutorial how create with vnc out of k12 screens logins... So sorry for my english, but really is bad! Greetings from Argentina!!! From petre at maltzen.net Thu Aug 17 20:11:38 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:11:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC question! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44E4CD7A.2090905@maltzen.net> Years ago I wrote myself some notes about getting VNC to launch via inetd for use on a Sun box. You can find the notes at http://petre.homedns.org/unix/vnc_via_inetd.html. HTH Petre Alberto Castillo wrote: > Hi Everybody!!! > I write from Argentina, and this is the first time I have write to you! > I have a little cuestion: > > I can see that the VNC that have k12 is amazing, you can login from a > dialog box like LTSP!!! > we use this with IBM Ps/ValuePoint 425Sx (486 no coprocessor, 8MB ram + > microdistribution linux make for us!) and works fine!. > We have in some schools k12 3 & 4.2, but for investigation for others > linux, I need know how works the scripts that uses VNC in K12, and if > somebody know how to work vncserver with inetd (no xinetd) I really > apreciate very much this, also any tutorial how create with vnc out of > k12 screens logins... > > So sorry for my english, but really is bad! > Greetings from Argentina!!! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From webmaster at vol.org Thu Aug 17 20:15:00 2006 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:15:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba / W2K login script issue In-Reply-To: <1155785411.4769.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1155785411.4769.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44E4CE44.9060703@vol.org> Bert Rolston wrote: > I've run into a problem with a W2K machine and winders login scripts. > If I try to launch the login script from \\servername\netlogon I get an > error message about UNC paths, then it proceeds as below. I recently migrated a Samba setup from an old server to a new one and had pretty much the same problems as you. My solution was to login as administrator on the workstations, remove the machine from the domain, reboot, add it to the domain and reboot yet again. This solved my problem. I believe it has something to do with Samba and SIDs and hopefully there's a better way to solve the problem. This message has been scanned by the Internet Service Departments Virus/Spam filter. From barry at yellowdog.com Thu Aug 17 20:21:56 2006 From: barry at yellowdog.com (Barry Solof) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:21:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound Issues In-Reply-To: <1155835727.13530.14.camel@localhost> References: <44E4A182.80406@yellowdog.com> <1155835727.13530.14.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <44E4CFE4.4000307@yellowdog.com> Hi Gideon, Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it. The package has been installed successfully and the lts.conf has been modified for "snd-cs4236". The terminal now loads the new drivers when booting and you can hear the speakers click "on" as the drivers load. Yet there still isn't any sound in Gnome. When attempting to run the volume control there is this error message: "no volume control gstreamer plugins and/or devices found". A google search has not helped with a fix. Do you have any ideas where to start looking for clues? Many thanks, Barry Gideon Romm wrote: > It could be that there is no OSS driver for your sound card on the 2.6 > kernel. If this is the case, you can try using my esd+alsa package for > LTSP. Just install it, and then specify the sound module to be: > > SMODULE_01 = "snd-cs4236" > > here's a link to the package for download: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 > > HTH, > > -Gideon > > On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 13:04 -0400, Barry Solof wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm trying to finish an install of a 5.0.0 K12ltsp server and it is >> *almost* ready. Unfortunately, trying to get sound on the terminals has >> been very frustrating. I've tried countless Google searches and changed >> a bunch of things in lts.conf but still can't get sound working. >> >> >> The server: a Dell Poweredge with dual 933 processors, 2 gig ram, scsi >> drives. All yum updates applied. >> The terminals: Dell GXa and GX1 computers with built in CS4236B sound cards. >> >> lts.conf has the line: >> >> SMODULE_01 = "cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1" >> >> >> When the terminals boot, you'll see a line that modprobe has found a >> cs4236b device at io=0x534 irq=5 and dma=1. Yet the next line reads >> "probe of 01:01:00 failed with and error code of -16". >> >> Is the cs4232 driver the correct one for the cs4236b? Is there >> something else that needs to be configured or updated to get the sound >> to work? >> >> Otherwise, the rest of the system seems to be running very well. >> Programs launch quickly and run rather nicely. The ability to access >> floppies and cds by default is *very* nice. >> >> All help and ideas is greatly appreciated. >> >> Many thanks, >> Barry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Thu Aug 17 20:44:07 2006 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:44:07 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba / W2K login script issue In-Reply-To: References: <1155785411.4769.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1155847448.2527.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Doug, Thanks for your reply. It's been years since I set one up samba to be a PDC. I'm exclusively Linux at home. That's the danger of taking a couple of years away from the industry to study business. I can run the scripts manually, either by browsing through network neighbourhood, or by mapping the netlogon share to a drive letter. When I map the netlogon share to drive Z: the UNC issue is resolved. All the paths are correct, permissions are as open as the sahara desert, and the script exists. The netlogon folder is located at /home/netlogon So I'll go through the smb.conf with a fine tooth comb and see if I've missed something. Cheers, Bert On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 11:41 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > If the computer is saying there is a problem with UNC paths, likely that > has n othing to do woth the server. > > But, make sure your path for the netlogon directory is correct and that > there is actually logon.bat in there and make sure your smb.conf says > logon.bat is the logon script to be run. > > my example: > > Server location for login script for group "Users" > /samba/netlogon/users > > logon script in the above listed directory: > logon.bat > > in the smb.conf file under "global" make sure there is a line: > logon script = logon.bat > > Make sure there is a [netlogon] directive. > > make sure the path in it is correct for the netlogon directory. > > Make sure the directory is readable by all users. > > Restart samba > > If you need further assistance, send me a copy of your smb.conf file and I > will look at it and see if I can find anything wrong with it. > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Thu, 17 Aug 2006, Bert Rolston wrote: > > > Hey folks, > > > > I've run into a problem with a W2K machine and winders login scripts. > > > > I've tried googling Samba.org and tried a couple of the suggestions in > > their archives, without any success. > > > > I've searched through the K12OSN digests without any luck. > > > > So, now I'm going to ask here. > > > > I have a W2K (SP4) computer logging in to my FC5 / Samba 3.0xxxx server. > > Samba is set up to act a the PDC. This works fine. > > > > I can use network neighbourhood and see all the share. I can access all > > the shares. > > > > If I try to launch the login script from \\servername\netlogon I get an > > error message about UNC paths, then it proceeds as below. > > > > I can manually map Z: to the netlogon share and run the login script. > > > > This produces the following error message > > > > "net use h: /home > > The user's home directory could not be determined > > More help is available by typing NET HELPMSG 3915" (which tells me to > > create the user's home directory) > > > > The user's home directory exists. the unix permissions are 777, samba > > permissions are RW to all known users. > > > > The rest of the login script will map all the drives. > > > > The script DOESN'T run automagically when the user logs in to the > > network. I've put a pause into the script to ensure it stays on screen. > > It doesn't. > > > > I suspect the problem lies in the [global] section of my smb.conf, but > > please don't let that limit any help you can give. > > > > Thanks, > > Bert (long time lurking on this list) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > From luis.montes at cox.net Thu Aug 17 21:05:01 2006 From: luis.montes at cox.net (luis.montes at cox.net) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:05:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Bug? does anyone have rdesktop working via lts.conf in K12 v5? Message-ID: <23837086.1155848701970.JavaMail.root@fed1wml12.mgt.cox.net> ---- john wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been unable to start rdesktop as an option from lts.conf, although > bash, telnet and the GUI login work fine. Has anyone been able to make this > work or is this a bug? > > John It's working ok here. I initiallly had some problems because of specifing the wrong keyboard with the -k option, but just dropping the option and taking the defaults worked. Luis From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Thu Aug 17 21:36:06 2006 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:36:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound Issues In-Reply-To: <44E4CFE4.4000307@yellowdog.com> References: <44E4A182.80406@yellowdog.com> <1155835727.13530.14.camel@localhost> <44E4CFE4.4000307@yellowdog.com> Message-ID: <1155850566.13530.16.camel@localhost> 1. log in as a user with "sudo" privileges and run "sudo gconf-editor" OR log in and "su" to root (NOTE: "su" not "su -") and run "gconf-editor" 2. Go to: system > gstreamer > 0.10 > default 3. change the audiosink value to: "esdsink" and hit enter 4. right click on that field and select "Set as Mandatory" Next time the user logs in, you should get sound HTH, -Gideon On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 16:21 -0400, Barry Solof wrote: > Hi Gideon, > > Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it. > > The package has been installed successfully and the lts.conf has been > modified for "snd-cs4236". > > The terminal now loads the new drivers when booting and you can hear the > speakers click "on" as the drivers load. Yet there still isn't any > sound in Gnome. When attempting to run the volume control there is this > error message: "no volume control gstreamer plugins and/or devices found". > > A google search has not helped with a fix. Do you have any ideas where > to start looking for clues? > > Many thanks, > Barry > > Gideon Romm wrote: > > It could be that there is no OSS driver for your sound card on the 2.6 > > kernel. If this is the case, you can try using my esd+alsa package for > > LTSP. Just install it, and then specify the sound module to be: > > > > SMODULE_01 = "snd-cs4236" > > > > here's a link to the package for download: > > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 > > > > HTH, > > > > -Gideon > > > > On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 13:04 -0400, Barry Solof wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I'm trying to finish an install of a 5.0.0 K12ltsp server and it is > >> *almost* ready. Unfortunately, trying to get sound on the terminals has > >> been very frustrating. I've tried countless Google searches and changed > >> a bunch of things in lts.conf but still can't get sound working. > >> > >> > >> The server: a Dell Poweredge with dual 933 processors, 2 gig ram, scsi > >> drives. All yum updates applied. > >> The terminals: Dell GXa and GX1 computers with built in CS4236B sound cards. > >> > >> lts.conf has the line: > >> > >> SMODULE_01 = "cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1" > >> > >> > >> When the terminals boot, you'll see a line that modprobe has found a > >> cs4236b device at io=0x534 irq=5 and dma=1. Yet the next line reads > >> "probe of 01:01:00 failed with and error code of -16". > >> > >> Is the cs4232 driver the correct one for the cs4236b? Is there > >> something else that needs to be configured or updated to get the sound > >> to work? > >> > >> Otherwise, the rest of the system seems to be running very well. > >> Programs launch quickly and run rather nicely. The ability to access > >> floppies and cds by default is *very* nice. > >> > >> All help and ideas is greatly appreciated. > >> > >> Many thanks, > >> Barry > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Proud LTSP Developer ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Support LTSP! Buy your hardware at: www.DisklessWorkstations.com www.DisklessThinClients.com (use coupon code: LTSP5P for 5% off thin clients from DisklessThinClients.com) From petre at maltzen.net Thu Aug 17 23:24:30 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:24:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sound in Rhythmbox only works for one user In-Reply-To: <1155826317.13530.5.camel@localhost> References: <44E3876B.1040609@maltzen.net> <1155764862.16123.20.camel@localhost> <44E46790.6050002@maltzen.net> <1155826317.13530.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <44E4FAAE.7030608@maltzen.net> Thanks Gadi. Using the gstreamer-properties test, it failed for that user. So I renamed her ,gconf, .gconfd, .gnome, .gnome2 and .gnome2_private directories to something different, and then logged in as her, letting gnome create new versions of those directories, and it worked. So, one of those had something bad in them. Petre Gideon Romm wrote: > Petre- > > Try logging in as that user and either open a terminal and run: > gstreamer-properties (which will bring up a GUI and choose "esd" as the > audio sink) OR I believe in Fedora the same GUI can be opened by going > to: System -> Preferences -> Multimedia System Selector (or some > such) > > (They keep moving the menu around, so I have gotten accustomed to > knowing how to run the GUIs from a terminal window ;) ) > > In the future, you could do: scp -r oldbox:/home/pam /home/ > Be sure that all of the permissions and ownerships are preserved. I > usually prefer to use rsync, because if the connection breaks while > transferring the files, you can pick up where you left off. > > Cheers, > > -Gideon > > On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 07:56 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>Thanks Gideon! That worked...mostly. The gconf-editor wasn't installed (should it have >>been?) so yum was my friend. After installing it and making the changes, sound on >>Rhythmbox started working for all the users except one. The one difference with this >>user is that I copied all her $HOME files from our old 4.2.2 server to her home >>directory on this new 5.0 server; she's the only one where I needed to do that. I >>suspect that some old setting/file was brought along that is interfering. To copy the >>files, I just used ran 'scp oldbox:/home/pam/* /home/pam/' on the new box. This isn't >>the best way because it seems to miss any hidden directories, e.g., .ssh/. So, OTOH, if >>I did bring along an interfering config file/directory, I'd expect it to be a hidden one >>of which I don't think I got many, if any. Any other ideas? Thanks for your help. >> >>Petre >> >>Gideon Romm wrote: >> >>>Petre- >>> >>>rhythmbox uses gstreamer. if you are using "esd" do this: >>> >>>1. log in as a user with "sudo" privileges and run "sudo gconf-editor" >>>OR log in and "su" to root (NOTE: "su" not "su -") and run >>>"gconf-editor" >>>2. Go to: system > gstreamer > 0.10 > default >>>3. change the audiosink value to: "esdsink" and hit enter >>>4. right click on that field and select "Set as Mandatory" >>> >>>Next time the user logs in, you should get sound from rhythmbox >>> >>>Cheers, >>> >>>-Gadi >>> >>>On Wed, 2006-08-16 at 16:00 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: >>> >>>>I got Rhythmbox playing sound on the clients for one user (me, not as root), but when >>>>others try to play, say MP3 files, nothing happens when they click the Play button: no >>>>sound, the timer indicator doesn't move, etc. Perhaps a permissions issue somewhere? >>>>It's not a permissions issue on the MP3 files because the users can play those just fine >>>>through xmms. Does Rhythmbox need a special rc file or directory or some such in the >>>>users home directory which I might have but they're missing? >>>> >>>>Petre >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Thu Aug 17 23:51:42 2006 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:51:42 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba / W2K login script issue - RESOLUTION In-Reply-To: References: <1155785411.4769.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1155858703.2527.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi everyone, perhaps someone has run into this before. Doug, your comments got me thinking along a different track. Here's what I found, in the hope that others may find it useful. The whole problem actually has it's root in a hardware upgrade. The old server was flaky. It started randomly dropping SMB connections, which increased in frequency over several days. I used WEBMIN to save my samba and user settings from the old hardware. I re-installed FC5 onto the new server then restored the settings from the old server. This included the samba machine trust accounts. I tried using another computer to see if the problem was machine related. I tried adding a domain user as a valid user on the new machine. This caused a machine trust relationship error to occur. After rejoining the machine to the server, and copying user profile information to their new profiles I was able to get the login script to work. So thanks again to all on the list for your help. Regards, Bert On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 11:41 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > If the computer is saying there is a problem with UNC paths, likely that > has n othing to do woth the server. > > But, make sure your path for the netlogon directory is correct and that > there is actually logon.bat in there and make sure your smb.conf says > logon.bat is the logon script to be run. > > my example: > > Server location for login script for group "Users" > /samba/netlogon/users > > logon script in the above listed directory: > logon.bat > > in the smb.conf file under "global" make sure there is a line: > logon script = logon.bat > > Make sure there is a [netlogon] directive. > > make sure the path in it is correct for the netlogon directory. > > Make sure the directory is readable by all users. > > Restart samba > > If you need further assistance, send me a copy of your smb.conf file and I > will look at it and see if I can find anything wrong with it. > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Thu, 17 Aug 2006, Bert Rolston wrote: > > > Hey folks, > > > > I've run into a problem with a W2K machine and winders login scripts. > > > > I've tried googling Samba.org and tried a couple of the suggestions in > > their archives, without any success. > > > > I've searched through the K12OSN digests without any luck. > > > > So, now I'm going to ask here. > > > > I have a W2K (SP4) computer logging in to my FC5 / Samba 3.0xxxx server. > > Samba is set up to act a the PDC. This works fine. > > > > I can use network neighbourhood and see all the share. I can access all > > the shares. > > > > If I try to launch the login script from \\servername\netlogon I get an > > error message about UNC paths, then it proceeds as below. > > > > I can manually map Z: to the netlogon share and run the login script. > > > > This produces the following error message > > > > "net use h: /home > > The user's home directory could not be determined > > More help is available by typing NET HELPMSG 3915" (which tells me to > > create the user's home directory) > > > > The user's home directory exists. the unix permissions are 777, samba > > permissions are RW to all known users. > > > > The rest of the login script will map all the drives. > > > > The script DOESN'T run automagically when the user logs in to the > > network. I've put a pause into the script to ensure it stays on screen. > > It doesn't. > > > > I suspect the problem lies in the [global] section of my smb.conf, but > > please don't let that limit any help you can give. > > > > Thanks, > > Bert (long time lurking on this list) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > From veewee77 at alltel.net Thu Aug 17 21:37:08 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:37:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba / W2K login script issue In-Reply-To: <1155847448.2527.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1155785411.4769.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1155847448.2527.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44E4E184.5070409@alltel.net> Hi Bert! Try putting the netlogon somewhere besides /home/netlogon. . . Put it in it's own folder, like /samba/netlogon And set it browseable = no and don't give users RW, only R. If you can't see the netlogon share by \\servername\netlogon, see if you can see it by ip: \\10.0.x.x\netlogon It could just be that your DNS or WINS is not working right. Send me your smb.conf and I'll look at it if you'd like. Doug Bert Rolston wrote: >Hi Doug, > >Thanks for your reply. > >It's been years since I set one up samba to be a PDC. I'm exclusively >Linux at home. That's the danger of taking a couple of years away from >the industry to study business. > >I can run the scripts manually, either by browsing through network >neighbourhood, or by mapping the netlogon share to a drive letter. > >When I map the netlogon share to drive Z: the UNC issue is resolved. > >All the paths are correct, permissions are as open as the sahara desert, >and the script exists. > >The netlogon folder is located at /home/netlogon > >So I'll go through the smb.conf with a fine tooth comb and see if I've >missed something. > >Cheers, >Bert > > >On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 11:41 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > > >>If the computer is saying there is a problem with UNC paths, likely that >>has n othing to do woth the server. >> >>But, make sure your path for the netlogon directory is correct and that >>there is actually logon.bat in there and make sure your smb.conf says >>logon.bat is the logon script to be run. >> >>my example: >> >>Server location for login script for group "Users" >>/samba/netlogon/users >> >>logon script in the above listed directory: >>logon.bat >> >>in the smb.conf file under "global" make sure there is a line: >>logon script = logon.bat >> >>Make sure there is a [netlogon] directive. >> >>make sure the path in it is correct for the netlogon directory. >> >>Make sure the directory is readable by all users. >> >>Restart samba >> >>If you need further assistance, send me a copy of your smb.conf file and I >>will look at it and see if I can find anything wrong with it. >> >>Doug Simpson >>Technology Specialist >>DeQueen Public Schools >>DeQueen, AR 71832 >>simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>Tux for President! >> >>On Thu, 17 Aug 2006, Bert Rolston wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hey folks, >>> >>>I've run into a problem with a W2K machine and winders login scripts. >>> >>>I've tried googling Samba.org and tried a couple of the suggestions in >>>their archives, without any success. >>> >>>I've searched through the K12OSN digests without any luck. >>> >>>So, now I'm going to ask here. >>> >>>I have a W2K (SP4) computer logging in to my FC5 / Samba 3.0xxxx server. >>>Samba is set up to act a the PDC. This works fine. >>> >>>I can use network neighbourhood and see all the share. I can access all >>>the shares. >>> >>>If I try to launch the login script from \\servername\netlogon I get an >>>error message about UNC paths, then it proceeds as below. >>> >>>I can manually map Z: to the netlogon share and run the login script. >>> >>>This produces the following error message >>> >>>"net use h: /home >>>The user's home directory could not be determined >>>More help is available by typing NET HELPMSG 3915" (which tells me to >>>create the user's home directory) >>> >>>The user's home directory exists. the unix permissions are 777, samba >>>permissions are RW to all known users. >>> >>>The rest of the login script will map all the drives. >>> >>>The script DOESN'T run automagically when the user logs in to the >>>network. I've put a pause into the script to ensure it stays on screen. >>>It doesn't. >>> >>>I suspect the problem lies in the [global] section of my smb.conf, but >>>please don't let that limit any help you can give. >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Bert (long time lurking on this list) >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am looking to > have the home directory used on the Windows side mount automatically on > the thinclient so student work will be easily available on either a > Windows workstation or a thinclient. you want your server to do pam_mount font you...as the session you see is on the server..i believe i have pam_mount stuff on the wiki under windows integration..it is fluky to set up..chuck From aimssda at cscoms.com Fri Aug 18 01:36:48 2006 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (Edwardson) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:36:48 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Re: Terminal Server Problem In-Reply-To: <20060817160023.D434D73B97@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060817160023.D434D73B97@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44E519B0.7090105@cscoms.com> I tried that already Paul, still didn't work. i even added -g 600x800 and -u username same effect. The TS login screen comes first on one machine and Screen_01 first on the other. Edward Message: 12 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:00:51 -0400 From: Paul VanGundy Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: Terminal Server Problem To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Message-ID: <44E3DBE3.5060402 at sau14.k12.nh.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Edward, Try this: SCREEN_01 = startx SCREEN_02 = rdesktop -fa 16 192.168.1.200 Also, are you having a problem with going from the xwindow login screen (SCREEN_01) to Windows TS login screen (SCREEN_02)? Or are you upset that Windows TS comes up first periodically instead of xwindow after you boot a terminal? -Paul From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Aug 18 02:30:39 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:30:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Re: Terminal Server Problem In-Reply-To: <44E519B0.7090105@cscoms.com> References: <20060817160023.D434D73B97@hormel.redhat.com> <44E519B0.7090105@cscoms.com> Message-ID: <44E5264F.1060008@sau14.k12.nh.us> Edward, So is that the problem? That TS is coming up first on one of them? -Paul Edwardson wrote: > I tried that already Paul, still didn't work. i even added -g 600x800 > and -u username same effect. > > The TS login screen comes first on one machine and Screen_01 first on > the other. > > Edward > > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:00:51 -0400 > From: Paul VanGundy > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: Terminal Server Problem > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <44E3DBE3.5060402 at sau14.k12.nh.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Edward, > > Try this: > > SCREEN_01 = startx > SCREEN_02 = rdesktop -fa 16 192.168.1.200 > > Also, are you having a problem with going from the xwindow login screen > (SCREEN_01) to Windows TS login screen (SCREEN_02)? Or are you upset > that Windows TS comes up first periodically instead of xwindow after you > boot a terminal? > > -Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Paul VanGundy Director of Technology Epping School District P: 603.679.8003 x105 F: 603.679.2196 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Aug 18 05:04:01 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:04:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] power...clients won't shut off like they used to Message-ID: Hi all, I'm starting to redo my servers and have loaded K12LTSP 5.0. One thing I've noticed is that under 4.x I could push the power button on my LTSP 150's and the client would shut down in a few seconds.....under 5.0 this doesn't happen....I have to hold in on the power button. This can be a pain in the a** at the end of the day when I wish to shut them down....how can I get this function back? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Fri Aug 18 05:31:44 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:31:44 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Re: Terminal Server Problem In-Reply-To: <44E5264F.1060008@sau14.k12.nh.us> References: <20060817160023.D434D73B97@hormel.redhat.com> <44E519B0.7090105@cscoms.com> <44E5264F.1060008@sau14.k12.nh.us> Message-ID: Have you tried commenting out all other screens so first only Screen_01=startx. See if that works. Then try Screen_01=rdesktop and see if that works. Could help troubleshoot. On 18/08/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > Edward, > > So is that the problem? That TS is coming up first on one of them? > > -Paul > > > Edwardson wrote: > > I tried that already Paul, still didn't work. i even added -g 600x800 > > and -u username same effect. > > > > The TS login screen comes first on one machine and Screen_01 first on > > the other. > > > > Edward > > > > > > Message: 12 > > Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:00:51 -0400 > > From: Paul VanGundy > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: Terminal Server Problem > > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > > Message-ID: <44E3DBE3.5060402 at sau14.k12.nh.us> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Edward, > > > > Try this: > > > > SCREEN_01 = startx > > SCREEN_02 = rdesktop -fa 16 192.168.1.200 > > > > Also, are you having a problem with going from the xwindow login screen > > (SCREEN_01) to Windows TS login screen (SCREEN_02)? 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URL: From cliebow at midmaine.com Fri Aug 18 10:19:12 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] power...clients won't shut off like they used to In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46966.70.33.151.214.1155896352.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> has something to do with power managenment in 2.6 kernel..how bout set up ssh and run a scripy to ssh -e each ws and do a halt..me From petre at maltzen.net Fri Aug 18 13:02:18 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:02:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sound in Rhythmbox only works for one user In-Reply-To: <44E4FAAE.7030608@maltzen.net> References: <44E3876B.1040609@maltzen.net> <1155764862.16123.20.camel@localhost> <44E46790.6050002@maltzen.net> <1155826317.13530.5.camel@localhost> <44E4FAAE.7030608@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44E5BA5A.8040906@maltzen.net> Just a weird follow-up: As mentioned below, removing all the .g* directories from the user's $HOME seemed to fix the problem. I then spent two hours debugging a LDA problem that was affecting everyone (as usual, I was the enemy, in that I had commented out something I shouldn't have in the process of removing the floppy drive from LDA since most of my clients boot from etherboot floppies and I don't want the LDA to scan the floppy drive). After finally getting the LDA fixed, I logged in as that user again, only to find that sound in Rhythmbox and the gstreamer-properties test no longer worked. Not only that, but removing the new .g* directories did not fix it this time. Logged in as another user on that same workstation, gstreamer worked fine; logged in as the problem user, no sound. Did this switching back and forth between user IDs, trying to find out what the difference was, to no avail. Decided to give up for the night, logged in one more time as problem user and...gstreamer sound started working again! And I hadn't changed anything from the previous login attempt. Since it was working, I decided to quit while I was ahead. But I'm really stumped as to why it's so erratic and only for this one user. The only change I made during all this, aside from wiping out the .g* directories a couple times, was deleting the .esd_auth file, just as a guess; but that, too, is recreated every time the user logs in. The real problem is I'm not confident it won't break again, since I don't know what caused it to fail before. Petre Peter Scheie wrote: > Thanks Gadi. Using the gstreamer-properties test, it failed for that > user. So I renamed her ,gconf, .gconfd, .gnome, .gnome2 and > .gnome2_private directories to something different, and then logged in > as her, letting gnome create new versions of those directories, and it > worked. So, one of those had something bad in them. > > Petre > > Gideon Romm wrote: >> Petre- >> >> Try logging in as that user and either open a terminal and run: >> gstreamer-properties (which will bring up a GUI and choose "esd" as the >> audio sink) OR I believe in Fedora the same GUI can be opened by going >> to: System -> Preferences -> Multimedia System Selector (or some >> such) >> >> (They keep moving the menu around, so I have gotten accustomed to >> knowing how to run the GUIs from a terminal window ;) ) >> >> In the future, you could do: scp -r oldbox:/home/pam /home/ >> Be sure that all of the permissions and ownerships are preserved. I >> usually prefer to use rsync, because if the connection breaks while >> transferring the files, you can pick up where you left off. >> >> Cheers, >> >> -Gideon >> >> On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 07:56 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>> Thanks Gideon! That worked...mostly. The gconf-editor wasn't >>> installed (should it have been?) so yum was my friend. After >>> installing it and making the changes, sound on Rhythmbox started >>> working for all the users except one. The one difference with this >>> user is that I copied all her $HOME files from our old 4.2.2 server >>> to her home directory on this new 5.0 server; she's the only one >>> where I needed to do that. I suspect that some old setting/file was >>> brought along that is interfering. To copy the files, I just used >>> ran 'scp oldbox:/home/pam/* /home/pam/' on the new box. This isn't >>> the best way because it seems to miss any hidden directories, e.g., >>> .ssh/. So, OTOH, if I did bring along an interfering config >>> file/directory, I'd expect it to be a hidden one of which I don't >>> think I got many, if any. Any other ideas? Thanks for your help. >>> >>> Petre >>> >>> Gideon Romm wrote: >>> >>>> Petre- >>>> >>>> rhythmbox uses gstreamer. if you are using "esd" do this: >>>> >>>> 1. log in as a user with "sudo" privileges and run "sudo gconf-editor" >>>> OR log in and "su" to root (NOTE: "su" not "su -") and run >>>> "gconf-editor" >>>> 2. Go to: system > gstreamer > 0.10 > default >>>> 3. change the audiosink value to: "esdsink" and hit enter >>>> 4. right click on that field and select "Set as Mandatory" >>>> >>>> Next time the user logs in, you should get sound from rhythmbox >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> -Gadi >>>> >>>> On Wed, 2006-08-16 at 16:00 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: >>>> >>>>> I got Rhythmbox playing sound on the clients for one user (me, not >>>>> as root), but when others try to play, say MP3 files, nothing >>>>> happens when they click the Play button: no sound, the timer >>>>> indicator doesn't move, etc. Perhaps a permissions issue >>>>> somewhere? It's not a permissions issue on the MP3 files because >>>>> the users can play those just fine through xmms. Does Rhythmbox >>>>> need a special rc file or directory or some such in the users home >>>>> directory which I might have but they're missing? >>>>> >>>>> Petre >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From accessys at smart.net Fri Aug 18 13:06:52 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Accessys@smart.net) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] power...seti at home overloading computers In-Reply-To: <46966.70.33.151.214.1155896352.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <46966.70.33.151.214.1155896352.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: put the setiathome distributed computing operation on the computer to run when the machines are not being used. problem is that the process is overloading the computers and shutting them down in the middle of the night when no one is arround, I have had to reboot everything first thing in the morning, to check things out I have had it "Suspended" past couple days and everything is working fine, have limited the amount of time it runs but that doesn't seem to be working, any tricks to say have the process only run for an hour then suspend for a while and then pick it up again ???? thanks Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ NO response will ever be given to anyone using earthlink.net +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From dpalmerjr at gmail.com Fri Aug 18 13:56:14 2006 From: dpalmerjr at gmail.com (Darryl Palmer) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:56:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] power...seti at home overloading computers In-Reply-To: References: <46966.70.33.151.214.1155896352.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: On 8/18/06, Accessys at smart.net wrote: > > > put the setiathome distributed computing operation on the computer to run > when the machines are not being used. problem is that the process is > overloading the computers and shutting them down in the middle of the > night when no one is arround, I have had to reboot everything first thing > in the morning, to check things out I have had it "Suspended" past couple > days and everything is working fine, have limited the amount of time it > runs but that doesn't seem to be working, any tricks to say have the > process only run for an hour then suspend for a while and then pick it up > again > Is the new Seti at Home client based on BOINC yet? If it is then the BOINC command line client should have an -exit_after N option where N repreents the number of seconds that the client should exit after. Darryl Palmer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have that set, can't remember what it is set at now I've been playing around with that, also it is working off line since we disconnect at off hours Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ NO response will ever be given to anyone using earthlink.net +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From lists at paulandmichelle.net Fri Aug 18 14:31:57 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:31:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Login in more than one place? In-Reply-To: <44E5BA5A.8040906@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20060818143159.CA4F8490587@ephesus.modevia.com> Hello, I didn't know if this is true or not because I haven't been to the school yet... but one of the teachers tried to log into a pc, then log into a laptop to use a projector and he couldn't. Is this the default for an samba/ldap setup? If so... how would I be able to change it so that people can log into more than one pc at a time? Thanks! Paul From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Aug 18 14:37:02 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:37:02 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Login in more than one place? In-Reply-To: <20060818143159.CA4F8490587@ephesus.modevia.com> References: <20060818143159.CA4F8490587@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <44E5D08E.7090308@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Paul Lemke wrote: > Hello, > > I didn't know if this is true or not because I haven't been to the school > yet... but one of the teachers tried to log into a pc, then log into a > laptop to use a projector and he couldn't. Is this the default for an > samba/ldap setup? If so... how would I be able to change it so that people > can log into more than one pc at a time? > Thanks! > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I have the opposite :-) I'd love to know HOW you did this, I've been trying for what seems like years to stop duplicate logins with a Samba / LDAP system with Win2K clients. Brian Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From visentind at hdsb.ca Fri Aug 18 14:46:25 2006 From: visentind at hdsb.ca (Dan Visentin) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:46:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Improving Java and Flash performance Message-ID: apologies for the font of my previous message... my default mail font was too big... Anyhow, one problem with the K12LTSP system is that online Java and Flash apps suck up tremendous amounts of processor resources and seriously bog the system down to almost unusable. A number of teachers like to use the various online simulations that are often available for science courses. Any ideas on how to improve this performance? Dan Visentin M. M. Robinson H.S. "As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From visentind at hdsb.ca Fri Aug 18 14:35:21 2006 From: visentind at hdsb.ca (Dan Visentin) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:35:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit vs 32 bit K12LTSP Message-ID: Our school board has been piloting various thin-client systems with the long term goal of creating a centralized thin-client service to be provided by the WAN to the schools within the board (we recently upgraded the pipeline to the schools to 1GB). Does this seem possible? Can this be done with K12LTSP? I've been running a 32bit K12LTSP implementation very successfully in my school since Feb 2005. The server is a dual opteron with 6 GB of RAM, Tyan motherboard with 2x250 GB SATA drives serving 56 clients in two different labs (32 and 24 machines) which PXE boot through a segregated switch. The current implementation was readily accepted by staff and students and we run several introductory computer courses in the labs as well as general use by students and teachers. I'm thinking of rebuilding it with the latest x86_64 bit implementation to take full advantage of the server hardware but am wondering if I might be creating more problems for myself. I've learned a great deal but I'm hampered by lack of time to really develop my Linux server skills as I teach full time and am a department head and maintain the other windows labs in the school. We run several windows apps through WINE which are required by some courses and the lab must remain functional for the courses which are running in those labs. Any thoughts? btw, it is very difficult to convince the board IT folks (who are MS Windows evangelists) that this solution is better than the Propalms solution which is the direction they seem to be leaning towards. It's been and continues to be quite the battle and they insist that the system must authenticate to windows and all student files need to be on a windows file server. What do you think my chances of success will be? ;) Dan Visentin M. M. Robinson H.S. "As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Aug 18 16:00:46 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:00:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Moodle Interview: A Beginner's Guide, Plus Thoughts on Moodle and Open Source Software Message-ID: Last night I interviewed Michelle Moore about Moodle, the open source learning management system (LMS) which has been so spectacularly popular. Michelle held three sessions on Moodle in our Open Source Lab at NECC 2006, and all three were packed. As we talked, I was reminded of the impact that Moodle is having in introducing free and open source software to the education market. Michelle tells the story of her husband, as a district technology director, saw Moodle change the whole story with regard to the use of open source software--previously, he had met resistance in implementing open source solutions, but with Moodle there was a huge push from the users to make it available. I would have to believe that this is, in part, because of the significant cost of the commercial alternatives. Using Moodle can save so much money that it probably opens doors just because of this. But many also consider Moodle to be superior to the commercially-available programs, and that has got to help! The interview was intended to provide an overview of Moodle from someone who is just learning about it for the first time. We do discuss the current patent issue toward the end of the interview. You can listen to the interview directly from the web at www.K12OpenSource.com/Interviews, or at our new EdTechLive.com website. Both sites also have links to download the .mp3 or .ogg files. -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.K12OpenSource.com (Public Wiki) www.SupportBlogging.com (Public Wiki) From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Fri Aug 18 16:24:35 2006 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:24:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Taking the LDAP plunge Message-ID: <44E5E9C3.8030203@peopleplaces.org> On my current (soon to be replaced) server I have what I've found to be (for me) the optimum combination of Samba, Sendmail, DSpam, postfix, clamav and Pop3. I'm building up a server that will use LDAP to authenticate users at login and for these services (except I'll change pop3 to dovecot's imap), as well as for storing a central Evolution address book. I've seen lots of chatter about ldap in the last few weeks, but most of it seems to be at different points of the completion spectrum. Is there a HOWTO that covers the above, or shall I start from the myriad ldap howtos and begin writing my own howto for future use? Thanks, Michael Blinn -- If this is my day of harvest, in what fields have I sowed the seed, and in what unremembered seasons? - Kahlil Gibran CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message, and any attachments that may accompany it, contain information that is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or other use of this communication or any of the information, which it contains is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the original sender by return mail and delete this message, along with any attachments, from your computer. Thank you. From lists at paulandmichelle.net Fri Aug 18 16:30:41 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:30:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Taking the LDAP plunge In-Reply-To: <44E5E9C3.8030203@peopleplaces.org> Message-ID: <20060818163041.9FA72490389@ephesus.modevia.com> Because I was a ldap newb before I started my server project I found the smbldap-installer is probably the easiest way to get samba/ldap setup on a server. http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ I then moved onto authenticating other things like an intranet page, and a wiki against that ldap server. I didn't find any very good how-to's that covered everything I wanted to do. I actually thought I would thought because my setup seems like it would be very common. I'd start a wiki on the whole subject and let other people add their bits and pieces on setting up a server. Some examples of things I could add... Pxe G4u setup, dns, dhcp, rsync backups, etc... Paul -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Michael Blinn Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 11:25 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Taking the LDAP plunge On my current (soon to be replaced) server I have what I've found to be (for me) the optimum combination of Samba, Sendmail, DSpam, postfix, clamav and Pop3. I'm building up a server that will use LDAP to authenticate users at login and for these services (except I'll change pop3 to dovecot's imap), as well as for storing a central Evolution address book. I've seen lots of chatter about ldap in the last few weeks, but most of it seems to be at different points of the completion spectrum. Is there a HOWTO that covers the above, or shall I start from the myriad ldap howtos and begin writing my own howto for future use? Thanks, Michael Blinn -- If this is my day of harvest, in what fields have I sowed the seed, and in what unremembered seasons? - Kahlil Gibran CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message, and any attachments that may accompany it, contain information that is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or other use of this communication or any of the information, which it contains is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the original sender by return mail and delete this message, along with any attachments, from your computer. Thank you. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From robark at gmail.com Fri Aug 18 17:28:09 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:28:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] power...clients won't shut off like they used to In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/17/06, David Trask wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm starting to redo my servers and have loaded K12LTSP 5.0. One thing > I've noticed is that under 4.x I could push the power button on my LTSP > 150's and the client would shut down in a few seconds.....under 5.0 this > doesn't happen....I have to hold in on the power button. This can be a > pain in the a** at the end of the day when I wish to shut them down....how > can I get this function back? Hi David, This problem came up on the ltsp list also. Someone found a lengthy solution http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=ltsp-discuss&m=115351673428302&w=2 I'll bet Jim will include this in the next version of ltsp. David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at gmail.com Fri Aug 18 17:38:25 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:38:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit vs 32 bit K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/18/06, Dan Visentin wrote: > > Our school board has been piloting various thin-client systems with the > long term goal of creating a centralized thin-client service to be provided > by the WAN to the schools within the board (we recently upgraded the > pipeline to the schools to 1GB). Does this seem possible? Can this be done > with K12LTSP? > > I've been running a 32bit K12LTSP implementation very successfully in my > school since Feb 2005. The server is a dual opteron with 6 GB of RAM, Tyan > motherboard with 2x250 GB SATA drives serving 56 clients in two different > labs (32 and 24 machines) which PXE boot through a segregated switch. The > current implementation was readily accepted by staff and students and we run > several introductory computer courses in the labs as well as general use by > students and teachers. I'm thinking of rebuilding it with the latest x86_64 > bit implementation to take full advantage of the server hardware but am > wondering if I might be creating more problems for myself. > Yes, I think you would create more problems. Flash for example does not have a 64 bit binary. Things which are binary only, like flash, usually only come in 32 bit versions. I've learned a great deal but I'm hampered by lack of time to really develop > my Linux server skills as I teach full time and am a department head and > maintain the other windows labs in the school. We run several windows apps > through WINE which are required by some courses and the lab must remain > functional for the courses which are running in those labs. Any thoughts? > > btw, it is very difficult to convince the board IT folks (who are MS > Windows evangelists) that this solution is better than the Propalms solution > which is the direction they seem to be leaning towards. It's been and > continues to be quite the battle and they insist that the system must > authenticate to windows and all student files need to be on a windows file > server. What do you think my chances of success will be? ;) > > Dan Visentin > M. M. Robinson H.S. > "As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing." > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at gmail.com Fri Aug 18 17:56:41 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:56:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Improving Java and Flash performance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/18/06, Dan Visentin wrote: > > apologies for the font of my previous message... my default mail font was > too big... > > Anyhow, one problem with the K12LTSP system is that online Java and Flash > apps suck up tremendous amounts of processor resources and seriously bog the > system down to almost unusable. A number of teachers like to use the > various online simulations that are often available for science courses. > Any ideas on how to improve this performance? > >From your other post I am assuming your are running 56 clients off a dual opteron system with 6G ram. These are general advice items which may help with your problem. 1) definitely use gigabit ethernet connection to your dedicated switch (gigabit port on switch). 2) use a couple of fast 15k rpm scsi drives in a raid 1 (software raid is good) If you can't get scsi then at least get the 10k rpm sata raptors. 3) (biggest improvement) if your tyan board supports dual core cpu then replace your two cpus with dual core opterons (4 cores) 4) (probably your best solution) buy another server for the other lab and put home on the one with faster drives. Mount it nfs from the other server. Check the wiki on how to do this. BTW Your experience of having a MS centric district is something many of us on this list have in common. Dan Visentin > M. M. Robinson H.S. > "As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing." > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Fri Aug 18 18:06:43 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:06:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] power...clients won't shut off like they used to In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44E601B3.4020208@saskforestcentre.ca> We turn our terminals off with ltspinfo, run from a cron job. It could just as easily be done from a desktop icon. This way, they are never left on overnight. On the other hand, when you're in late, it's a pain. That happens so rarely that we don't worry about it, but you could do something with w to identify terminal where someone is logged on and not turn them off. Angus Carr. David Trask wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm starting to redo my servers and have loaded K12LTSP 5.0. One thing > I've noticed is that under 4.x I could push the power button on my LTSP > 150's and the client would shut down in a few seconds.....under 5.0 this > doesn't happen....I have to hold in on the power button. This can be a > pain in the a** at the end of the day when I wish to shut them down....how > can I get this function back? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Aug 18 18:19:18 2006 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:19:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Talking to school about K12LTSP Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320DB80@MAILBE2.westat.com> I recently met with the technology guy at my daughter's school. He's not really a Linux person but has no real beef with it. He's just not needed it for much up to now. He does use Linux for a proxy server and running DansGuardian so he's not averse to using it where it suits him. He's also got an engineering degree from MIT so I'm guessing he's pretty bright. The school is in transition right now, having moved out (in the summer of 2005 after 16 years) of a rented location into two temporary locations (one church for the elementary school, another for the middle and high school). The school has purchased 60 acres and hopes to be moving into their new facility by January, 2008 (although it may not happen before the following summer). One topic of our conversation was K12LTSP. Currently, the school relies almost entirely on wireless networking because of the nature of the facility. Plans for the new facility, however, do include network cabling. There is something of a lab right now but it is basically laptop computers that share storage space on a network server. Windows, naturally. I gave a brief overview of K12LTSP, as best I could. He had a few questions and I thought I'd start with this one. Actually, after this, I may simply suggest he join the list and ask for himself, since he'll be in a better position to ask the right questions. Sometimes, when students are using his lab computers, he wants them to have internet access, so they can do research. Other times, he wants them to NOT have internet access, mostly because he wants them focused on what they are doing. No point in tempting teens. He wondered if it would be possible to schedule this sort of thing centrally, either by class, by student, or by hardware. That is, let's say he has two carts of computers which can roam to the various classrooms. From 8:30 to noon, he wants one cart to have internet access and the other not to. Form noon to 3, they both should. Or, from 8:30 to 10:00, the students in this class have internet access, this other class does not. That sort of thing. Is that something that's hard, easy, or just too much of a headache to deal with? -- Henry From robark at gmail.com Fri Aug 18 18:31:31 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:31:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Talking to school about K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320DB80@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320DB80@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: On 8/18/06, Henry Hartley wrote: > > > I recently met with the technology guy at my daughter's school. He's > not really a Linux person but has no real beef with it. He's just not > needed it for much up to now. He does use Linux for a proxy server and > running DansGuardian so he's not averse to using it where it suits him. > He's also got an engineering degree from MIT so I'm guessing he's pretty > bright. > > The school is in transition right now, having moved out (in the summer > of 2005 after 16 years) of a rented location into two temporary > locations (one church for the elementary school, another for the middle > and high school). The school has purchased 60 acres and hopes to be > moving into their new facility by January, 2008 (although it may not > happen before the following summer). > > One topic of our conversation was K12LTSP. Currently, the school relies > almost entirely on wireless networking because of the nature of the > facility. Plans for the new facility, however, do include network > cabling. There is something of a lab right now but it is basically > laptop computers that share storage space on a network server. Windows, > naturally. I gave a brief overview of K12LTSP, as best I could. He had > a few questions and I thought I'd start with this one. Actually, after > this, I may simply suggest he join the list and ask for himself, since > he'll be in a better position to ask the right questions. > > Sometimes, when students are using his lab computers, he wants them to > have internet access, so they can do research. Other times, he wants > them to NOT have internet access, mostly because he wants them focused > on what they are doing. No point in tempting teens. He wondered if it > would be possible to schedule this sort of thing centrally, either by > class, by student, or by hardware. That is, let's say he has two carts > of computers which can roam to the various classrooms. From 8:30 to > noon, he wants one cart to have internet access and the other not to. > Form noon to 3, they both should. Or, from 8:30 to 10:00, the students > in this class have internet access, this other class does not. That > sort of thing. Is that something that's hard, easy, or just too much of > a headache to deal with? Not sure how well k12ltsp would work in a wireless situation. Maybe someone else can answer that. But as long as you don't have /home mounted nfs. You can simply issue the command #ifdown eth1 No internet. #ifup eth1 Internet is back. It's that easy. I do it all the time to prevent kids from getting distracted while I am lecturing. You can put it in a cron job or do it manually, whatever. -- > Henry > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I do it all the time to prevent kids from getting > distracted while I am lecturing. You can put it in a cron job or do it > manually, whatever. > > Is that a per client setting? Or for the entire server? We want to > control this at the client level, or at least at the group level. > It's for the entire server. All clients and the server. For the client or group level I'd imagine someone on the list could write a little script to do what you want. Solution might be changing persmission on an integral file which allows internet access. I'd like to see such a script myself. -- > Henry > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Aug 18 19:08:23 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:08:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Talking to school about K12LTSP Message-ID: <20060818120823.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.40fcc71f9b.wbe@email.secureserver.net> You could simply run a CRON job to shutdown/turnup the outside NIC which would prevent/allow them to access the internet. ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us "try to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are" > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] Talking to school about K12LTSP > From: "Henry Hartley" > Date: Fri, August 18, 2006 1:19 pm > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > I recently met with the technology guy at my daughter's school. He's > not really a Linux person but has no real beef with it. He's just not > needed it for much up to now. He does use Linux for a proxy server and > running DansGuardian so he's not averse to using it where it suits him. > He's also got an engineering degree from MIT so I'm guessing he's pretty > bright. > > The school is in transition right now, having moved out (in the summer > of 2005 after 16 years) of a rented location into two temporary > locations (one church for the elementary school, another for the middle > and high school). The school has purchased 60 acres and hopes to be > moving into their new facility by January, 2008 (although it may not > happen before the following summer). > > One topic of our conversation was K12LTSP. Currently, the school relies > almost entirely on wireless networking because of the nature of the > facility. Plans for the new facility, however, do include network > cabling. There is something of a lab right now but it is basically > laptop computers that share storage space on a network server. Windows, > naturally. I gave a brief overview of K12LTSP, as best I could. He had > a few questions and I thought I'd start with this one. Actually, after > this, I may simply suggest he join the list and ask for himself, since > he'll be in a better position to ask the right questions. > > Sometimes, when students are using his lab computers, he wants them to > have internet access, so they can do research. Other times, he wants > them to NOT have internet access, mostly because he wants them focused > on what they are doing. No point in tempting teens. He wondered if it > would be possible to schedule this sort of thing centrally, either by > class, by student, or by hardware. That is, let's say he has two carts > of computers which can roam to the various classrooms. From 8:30 to > noon, he wants one cart to have internet access and the other not to. > Form noon to 3, they both should. Or, from 8:30 to 10:00, the students > in this class have internet access, this other class does not. That > sort of thing. Is that something that's hard, easy, or just too much of > a headache to deal with? > > -- > Henry > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Aug 18 19:09:27 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:09:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Talking to school about K12LTSP Message-ID: <20060818120927.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.5048045169.wbe@email.secureserver.net> A CRON job would allow this to be scheduled and hands free;) Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us "try to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are" > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Talking to school about K12LTSP > From: "Henry Hartley" > Date: Fri, August 18, 2006 1:38 pm > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > Message > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Not sure how well k12ltsp would work in a wireless situation. Maybe someone else can answer that. > I'm more looking forward to when we have a wired network. No, I don't think wireless is fast enough for LTSP. > But as long as you don't have /home mounted nfs. You can simply issue the command > #ifdown eth1 > No internet. > #ifup eth1 > Internet is back. > It's that easy. I do it all the time to prevent kids from getting distracted while I am lecturing. You can put it in a cron job or do it manually, whatever. > Is that a per client setting? Or for the entire server? We want to control this at the client level, or at least at the group level. > > -- > Henry > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Aug 18 20:14:27 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:14:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Login in more than one place? In-Reply-To: <20060818143159.CA4F8490587@ephesus.modevia.com> References: <20060818143159.CA4F8490587@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: WOW! I would *LOVE* to be able to limit them to one login on the network and you are wanting it the other way! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 18 Aug 2006, Paul Lemke wrote: > Hello, > > I didn't know if this is true or not because I haven't been to the school > yet... but one of the teachers tried to log into a pc, then log into a > laptop to use a projector and he couldn't. Is this the default for an > samba/ldap setup? If so... how would I be able to change it so that people > can log into more than one pc at a time? > Thanks! > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lists at paulandmichelle.net Fri Aug 18 20:17:48 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:17:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Login in more than one place? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060818201748.23481490587@ephesus.modevia.com> Sorry... we have a few grades that don't need individual student accounts. So I wanted to setup a generic account... they tried it today and it yells at them! I do have roaming profiles on which might have something to do with it... -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Doug Simpson Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 3:14 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Login in more than one place? WOW! I would *LOVE* to be able to limit them to one login on the network and you are wanting it the other way! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 18 Aug 2006, Paul Lemke wrote: > Hello, > > I didn't know if this is true or not because I haven't been to the school > yet... but one of the teachers tried to log into a pc, then log into a > laptop to use a projector and he couldn't. Is this the default for an > samba/ldap setup? If so... how would I be able to change it so that people > can log into more than one pc at a time? > Thanks! > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From moquist at majen.net Fri Aug 18 20:31:21 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:31:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] re: power...clients won't shut off like they used to (David Trask) In-Reply-To: <20060818135633.CBBA373311@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060818135633.CBBA373311@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060818203121.GB20305@majen.net> > Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:04:01 -0400 > From: "David Trask" > Subject: [K12OSN] power...clients won't shut off like they used to > I'm starting to redo my servers and have loaded K12LTSP 5.0. One thing > I've noticed is that under 4.x I could push the power button on my LTSP > 150's and the client would shut down in a few seconds.....under 5.0 this > doesn't happen....I have to hold in on the power button. This can be a > pain in the a** at the end of the day when I wish to shut them down....how > can I get this function back? I don't know what you'll find, but I'd start by looking under /etc/acpi on the TC root filesystem and see what scripts are in there and how they respond to events from the power/reset buttons. That is, look under /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/acpi on your server. That's just a starting point, of course. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you Mark ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ From veewee77 at alltel.net Fri Aug 18 23:59:16 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:59:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Talking to school about K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320DB80@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320DB80@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <44E65454.6040304@alltel.net> Henry Hartley wrote: >I recently met with the technology guy at my daughter's school. He's >not really a Linux person but has no real beef with it. He's just not >needed it for much up to now. He does use Linux for a proxy server and >running DansGuardian so he's not averse to using it where it suits him. >He's also got an engineering degree from MIT so I'm guessing he's pretty >bright. > >The school is in transition right now, having moved out (in the summer >of 2005 after 16 years) of a rented location into two temporary >locations (one church for the elementary school, another for the middle >and high school). The school has purchased 60 acres and hopes to be >moving into their new facility by January, 2008 (although it may not >happen before the following summer). > >One topic of our conversation was K12LTSP. Currently, the school relies >almost entirely on wireless networking because of the nature of the >facility. Plans for the new facility, however, do include network >cabling. There is something of a lab right now but it is basically >laptop computers that share storage space on a network server. Windows, >naturally. I gave a brief overview of K12LTSP, as best I could. He had >a few questions and I thought I'd start with this one. Actually, after >this, I may simply suggest he join the list and ask for himself, since >he'll be in a better position to ask the right questions. > >Sometimes, when students are using his lab computers, he wants them to >have internet access, so they can do research. Other times, he wants >them to NOT have internet access, mostly because he wants them focused >on what they are doing. No point in tempting teens. He wondered if it >would be possible to schedule this sort of thing centrally, either by >class, by student, or by hardware. That is, let's say he has two carts >of computers which can roam to the various classrooms. From 8:30 to >noon, he wants one cart to have internet access and the other not to. >Form noon to 3, they both should. Or, from 8:30 to 10:00, the students >in this class have internet access, this other class does not. That >sort of thing. Is that something that's hard, easy, or just too much of >a headache to deal with? > > > Yes, it is possible, while not 100% reliable, I do this very thing daily with some of our labs at school. It does require the comuters to actually log into the domain and run the login script if you want to be able to single out certain comuters an allow others. But for blanket on or off, that is easily done with only the server and they don't have to log in and out or run the login script. For more information and assistance, contact me offlist and I will see exactly what you want to do and see if I can help you. For the best flexibility and etc, domain logons are best and the on/off can be set by period, by machine or by user and/or group. Some may not like my methods (remember, I did say it wasn't 100% reliable) but it works for us on a daily basis. Doug From veewee77 at alltel.net Sat Aug 19 00:19:35 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:19:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Talking to school about K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320DB82@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <44E65917.40304@alltel.net> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > On 8/18/06, *Henry Hartley* > wrote: > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > Not sure how well k12ltsp would work in a wireless situation. > Maybe someone else can answer that. > > I'm more looking forward to when we have a wired network. No, I > don't think wireless is fast enough for LTSP. > > But as long as you don't have /home mounted nfs. You can > simply issue the command > #ifdown eth1 > No internet. > #ifup eth1 > Internet is back. > It's that easy. I do it all the time to prevent kids from > getting distracted while I am lecturing. You can put it in a > cron job or do it manually, whatever. > > Is that a per client setting? Or for the entire server? We want > to control this at the client level, or at least at the group level. > > > It's for the entire server. All clients and the server. > > For the client or group level I'd imagine someone on the list could > write a little script to do what you want. Solution might be changing > persmission on an integral file which allows internet access. I'd like > to see such a script myself. I do it with scripts that can be either CRON'd or manually run by a user, etc. But the clients I do this on are winders clients logging into a samba domain. . . > > -- > Henry > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some examples of things I > could add... > Pxe G4u setup, dns, dhcp, rsync backups, etc... It makes sense to me that all these resources could be unified in one place, and I think the above wiki would be a good place. Of course, I'm closely associated with the project documented there... --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From tkathan at charter.net Sat Aug 19 05:03:23 2006 From: tkathan at charter.net (Jim Kathan) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:03:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] edit global settings for preferences for all users? Message-ID: <006501c6c34c$cdb80d80$4000a8c0@themm> Is there some way I can globally, for all users, modify things like how fast a mouse responds, the repeat rate of keyboard cursors, the theme, screen resolution, etc? I found picking certain settings seemed to give my main server the appearance of responding faster and more smoothly; and I would like to do this for all the remote client logins, but not have to redo it 85 times. Any ideas? Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarar at gmail.com Sat Aug 19 05:18:01 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:48:01 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] edit global settings for preferences for all users? In-Reply-To: <006501c6c34c$cdb80d80$4000a8c0@themm> References: <006501c6c34c$cdb80d80$4000a8c0@themm> Message-ID: <774593a20608182218p245119cdxff507dda32295e06@mail.gmail.com> On 19/08/06, Jim Kathan wrote: > Is there some way I can globally, for all users, modify things like how fast > a mouse responds, the repeat rate of keyboard cursors, the theme, screen > resolution, etc? I found picking certain settings seemed to give my main > server the appearance of responding faster and more smoothly; and I would > like to do this for all the remote client logins, but not have to redo it 85 > times. Any ideas? The default settings section in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf at the top is where you can set specific settings if they are common to all users. HTH -- Regards, Sudev Barar From tkathan at charter.net Sat Aug 19 05:22:02 2006 From: tkathan at charter.net (Jim Kathan) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:22:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] edit global settings for preferences for all users? In-Reply-To: <774593a20608182218p245119cdxff507dda32295e06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c6c34f$67ddce20$4000a8c0@themm> Sudev, thank you for your prompt reply. So your answer is "yes". My follow up question would be "how?" :) What is the syntax, and how do I put it in? I guess I am asking "can I add in line parameters to specify themes, mouse and keyboard settings?" -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Sudev Barar Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 10:18 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] edit global settings for preferences for all users? On 19/08/06, Jim Kathan wrote: > Is there some way I can globally, for all users, modify things like how fast > a mouse responds, the repeat rate of keyboard cursors, the theme, screen > resolution, etc? I found picking certain settings seemed to give my main > server the appearance of responding faster and more smoothly; and I would > like to do this for all the remote client logins, but not have to redo it 85 > times. Any ideas? The default settings section in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf at the top is where you can set specific settings if they are common to all users. HTH -- Regards, Sudev Barar _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From sbarar at gmail.com Sat Aug 19 08:41:09 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:11:09 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] edit global settings for preferences for all users? In-Reply-To: <000001c6c34f$67ddce20$4000a8c0@themm> References: <774593a20608182218p245119cdxff507dda32295e06@mail.gmail.com> <000001c6c34f$67ddce20$4000a8c0@themm> Message-ID: <774593a20608190141r165117a6i78037186a8585f2e@mail.gmail.com> On 19/08/06, Jim Kathan wrote: > Sudev, thank you for your prompt reply. So your answer is "yes". My follow > up question would be "how?" :) > What is the syntax, and how do I put it in? I guess I am asking "can I add > in line parameters to specify themes, mouse and keyboard settings?" Would prefer inline / bottom post. Themes are set by gdm so that is another file o be configured. But keyborad and mouse settings yes. As I said you will have to edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf as root or su. Syntax is fairly straight forward. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From cliebow at midmaine.com Sat Aug 19 10:53:14 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 06:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] re: Taking the LDAP plunge (Michael Blinn) (Paul Lemke) In-Reply-To: <20060819020208.GA4633@majen.net> References: <20060819012147.40217732D3@hormel.redhat.com> <20060819020208.GA4633@majen.net> Message-ID: <52147.70.33.151.214.1155984794.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Mat: any chance you can provide a link on wiki like "scripting for ldap administration" i could contribute to?chuck From hick518 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 12:30:09 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 05:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Talking to school about K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320DB80@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <20060819123009.57701.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The problem with shutting down eth1 on the server, as some have suggested, is that it will cut off internet access *and* all other network connectivity such as file shares, etc. This may not be a problem for you if your /home folders are not on a central server. You could set up some rules on a school-wide firewall that would allow/disallow internet access to certain servers, without disrupting network share connections. CensorNet or IPCop have this feature built in (I can't remember which, but I tested both and one of them had that feature). -Rob --- Henry Hartley wrote: > > I recently met with the technology guy at my > daughter's school. He's > not really a Linux person but has no real beef with > it. He's just not > needed it for much up to now. He does use Linux for > a proxy server and > running DansGuardian so he's not averse to using it > where it suits him. > He's also got an engineering degree from MIT so I'm > guessing he's pretty > bright. > > The school is in transition right now, having moved > out (in the summer > of 2005 after 16 years) of a rented location into > two temporary > locations (one church for the elementary school, > another for the middle > and high school). The school has purchased 60 acres > and hopes to be > moving into their new facility by January, 2008 > (although it may not > happen before the following summer). > > One topic of our conversation was K12LTSP. > Currently, the school relies > almost entirely on wireless networking because of > the nature of the > facility. Plans for the new facility, however, do > include network > cabling. There is something of a lab right now but > it is basically > laptop computers that share storage space on a > network server. Windows, > naturally. I gave a brief overview of K12LTSP, as > best I could. He had > a few questions and I thought I'd start with this > one. Actually, after > this, I may simply suggest he join the list and ask > for himself, since > he'll be in a better position to ask the right > questions. > > Sometimes, when students are using his lab > computers, he wants them to > have internet access, so they can do research. > Other times, he wants > them to NOT have internet access, mostly because he > wants them focused > on what they are doing. No point in tempting teens. > He wondered if it > would be possible to schedule this sort of thing > centrally, either by > class, by student, or by hardware. That is, let's > say he has two carts > of computers which can roam to the various > classrooms. From 8:30 to > noon, he wants one cart to have internet access and > the other not to. > Form noon to 3, they both should. Or, from 8:30 to > 10:00, the students > in this class have internet access, this other class > does not. That > sort of thing. Is that something that's hard, easy, > or just too much of > a headache to deal with? > > -- > Henry > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 12:42:12 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 05:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Talking to school about K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <20060819123009.57701.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060819124212.61343.qmail@web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ---- > From: Rob Owens > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 8:30:09 AM > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Talking to school about K12LTSP > > The problem with shutting down eth1 on the server, as > some have suggested, is that it will cut off internet > access *and* all other network connectivity such as > file shares, etc. This may not be a problem for you > if your /home folders are not on a central server. > > You could set up some rules on a school-wide firewall > that would allow/disallow internet access to certain > servers, without disrupting network share connections. > CensorNet or IPCop have this feature built in (I > can't remember which, but I tested both and one of > them had that feature). > > -Rob > CensorNet (www.censornet.com) definitely has that feature built-in. Using its web-interface you can configure it to automatically turn off access to the Internet either by username or computer (MAC address). However, if the students are working on thin clients running off a K12LTSP server, CensorNet I think will only "see" the MAC of the K12LTSP server's external interface. So you'd need to enable/disable Internet web access by username. We'll be starting our third year with CensorNet. It's worked really well for us. David Whitmer Calvary Schools of Holland, Michigan From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Sat Aug 19 15:14:15 2006 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 11:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] File ownership help In-Reply-To: <20060819124212.61343.qmail@web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060819123009.57701.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060819124212.61343.qmail@web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1105.4.154.205.150.1156000455.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> A while back I remember reading about a way to always assign ownership of a file to the owner of the directory regardless of who the creating user is. I cannot remember where I read this. Can someone point me to the document or tell me how to do this. Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System From sbarar at gmail.com Sat Aug 19 15:21:22 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:51:22 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] File ownership help In-Reply-To: <1105.4.154.205.150.1156000455.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <20060819123009.57701.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060819124212.61343.qmail@web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1105.4.154.205.150.1156000455.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: <774593a20608190821s6b277e6dh1abab94532757aa1@mail.gmail.com> On 19/08/06, mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us wrote: > A while back I remember reading about a way to always assign ownership of > a file to the owner of the directory regardless of who the creating user > is. I cannot remember where I read this. Can someone point me to the > document or tell me how to do this. > as root chmod g+s /path/to/directory HTH -- Regards, Sudev Barar From petre at maltzen.net Sat Aug 19 21:19:49 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:19:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] File ownership help In-Reply-To: <1105.4.154.205.150.1156000455.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <20060819123009.57701.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060819124212.61343.qmail@web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1105.4.154.205.150.1156000455.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: <44E78075.5060800@maltzen.net> You may be thinking of the group sticky bit. If you set this on a directory, the group for any files created in that directory will be the same as the group of the directory itself. So, for example if you have a directory /common and the group for it is users, and I, with ID petre:petre, meaning my primary group is also called petre, put a file in that directory, the group for that file will be users, not petre. To insure that everyone in the users group can read & write that file, check the default umask, which strips rights away from files; hint, you'll want the umask to be 002 if the group will need write permissions for the files created. You set the stick bit with chmod: chmod g+s common HTH Petre mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us wrote: > A while back I remember reading about a way to always assign ownership of > a file to the owner of the directory regardless of who the creating user > is. I cannot remember where I read this. Can someone point me to the > document or tell me how to do this. > > Mark Orenstein > East Granby, CT School System > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Sat Aug 19 22:51:33 2006 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 12:51:33 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Double Floppy folder when using USB drive on clients In-Reply-To: <44E78075.5060800@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20060819125133.7a247289@trunks> Anyone able to find out how to fix the double floppy drive icon on the desktop when using a usb drive on the clients? Im using K12LTSP v5.0 (64bit). I cant seem to find much in the logs except what you see below. Thanks! ==Screen Shot of Double Floppy Folder== http://tinyurl.com/n6vk3 ==Screen Shot of Double Floppy Folder#2== http://tinyurl.com/ohnul /var/log/messages Aug 18 23:28:14 ws209 root: udev detected add of floppy Aug 18 23:28:14 ws209 root: udev detected add of disk Wilson From mel at melwade.com Sun Aug 20 00:15:12 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:15:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] New Questions Message-ID: <43080f460608191715t101ec282hcbc2ce062262ee10@mail.gmail.com> Hi. I'm new to this list and seriously considering K12LTSP for your school. I've taken over responsibilites for IT in a school and students arive in a week. We have an outdated computer lab in our library that I would like to convert to an LTSP lab. Here are my questions: 1. We are a Windows shop. Can we have the login for the LTSP validate with the Win 2000/3 AD and still have the ablility to lock down the desktops for all but Admins and Student Admins? 2. Can I map their home folders to a Windows 2000/3 server home folder? 3. Is there a list of network cards that will work "out of the box" for PXE boot wint LTSP? Are there any low cost ones that are recommended? 4. Anything advice in getting this up and running in less than a week? I'm not a Linix guru but hope to do this without any big problems. That's it for a start. Thanks in advance for your advice and assistance. -- Mel Wade "I love it when a plan comes together." - Hannibal www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarar at gmail.com Sun Aug 20 01:38:41 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 07:08:41 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] New Questions In-Reply-To: <43080f460608191715t101ec282hcbc2ce062262ee10@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460608191715t101ec282hcbc2ce062262ee10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <774593a20608191838o1f87201v9b55e2f250e80bea@mail.gmail.com> On 20/08/06, Mel Wade wrote: > We are a Windows shop. Can we have the login for the LTSP validate with the > Win 2000/3 AD and still have the ablility to lock down the desktops for all > but Admins and Student Admins? > Can I map their home folders to a Windows 2000/3 server home folder? Look at list archieves and wiki at k12ltsp.org and ltsp.org for both. But why would you want to do that? IMHO you will need licensing for every client that authenticates itself with winbox. > Is there a list of network cards that will work "out of the box" for PXE > boot wint LTSP? Are there any low cost ones that are recommended? Most of rtl8139 chip based cards work fine. dlink/compex are cheaper ones and work just fine. > Anything advice in getting this up and running in less than a week? I'm not > a Linix guru but hope to do this without any big problems. After the CD download you can have the first network up and running within a matter f one day using default setup. > That's it for a start. Thanks in advance for your advice and assistance. > -- > Mel Wade > "I love it when a plan comes together." - Hannibal > www.melwade.com > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Regards, Sudev Barar From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sun Aug 20 01:43:02 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:43:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New Questions In-Reply-To: <43080f460608191715t101ec282hcbc2ce062262ee10@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460608191715t101ec282hcbc2ce062262ee10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44E7BE26.6080000@sau14.k12.nh.us> Mel, My answers are below: 1. We are a Windows shop. Can we have the login for the LTSP validate with the Win 2000/3 AD and still have the ablility to lock down the desktops for all but Admins and Student Admins? ** Yes you can. A total to get single sign on authentication is located here: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Documentation 2. Can I map their home folders to a Windows 2000/3 server home folder? ** Yes. You would need to symbolically the SMB share to the desktop 3. Is there a list of network cards that will work "out of the box" for PXE boot wint LTSP? Are there any low cost ones that are recommended? ** That I don't know. I'm sure there is a site or document that has some sort of list. Again, pretty much any card that can PXE boot should work. 4. Anything advice in getting this up and running in less than a week? I'm not a Linix guru but hope to do this without any big problems. ** I think it is very unrealistic to get all of what you are wanting working properly within less than a week without any suitable knowledge or foundation of Linux. Can you do it? I'm sure you can, but managing and maintaining it will be the issue. Let's not mention the issues you will have when users start using it and asking you questions. Best of luck. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Director of Technology Epping School District P: 603.679.8003 x105 F: 603.679.2196 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us From les at futuresource.com Sun Aug 20 03:49:53 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:49:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New Questions In-Reply-To: <774593a20608191838o1f87201v9b55e2f250e80bea@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460608191715t101ec282hcbc2ce062262ee10@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20608191838o1f87201v9b55e2f250e80bea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1156045793.12929.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2006-08-19 at 20:38, Sudev Barar wrote: > On 20/08/06, Mel Wade wrote: > > We are a Windows shop. Can we have the login for the LTSP validate with the > > Win 2000/3 AD and still have the ablility to lock down the desktops for all > > but Admins and Student Admins? > > Can I map their home folders to a Windows 2000/3 server home folder? > > Look at list archieves and wiki at k12ltsp.org and ltsp.org for both. > But why would you want to do that? IMHO you will need licensing for > every client that authenticates itself with winbox. Has anyone tried turning on the windows 'services for unix' that is included in 2003 server and using NIS authentication against it along with NFS mounting the home directories? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From sbarar at gmail.com Sun Aug 20 03:58:19 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:28:19 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] [Maybe OT] In-Reply-To: <44D091EA.7020705@McQuil.com> References: <774593a20608012142w1829ab21scf1c15db7e70651f@mail.gmail.com> <44D091EA.7020705@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <774593a20608192058p2a1a6406p5a5f453e419065e1@mail.gmail.com> On 02/08/06, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > I have loads of files on one server and I want to transfer them to a > > new server BUT I want to store each type of file in one directory. So > > on the new server I will have a directory png.files and want to more > > all files from old server to this new server with a flat structure ( > > no sub-directories under png.files ) > > Of course once I am able to over come the basic hassle then I also > > have to try using the update flag to only transfer latest file from > > multitude of directories. > > > tar and find should both work fine for you, even with spaces. > > Try this: > > mkdir /tmp/pngfiles > cd /path/to/files > find ./ -name '*.png' -exec cp {} /tmp/pngfiles \; > tar czf /tmp/pngfiles.tgz /tmp/pngfiles > scp /tmp/pngfiles.tgz new_machine:/tmp > > That will copy all of the .png files to a temporary directory. > Then, it will tar the directory full of files > then, you can send that tarball over to the new system and > unpack it wherever you'd like. > Thanks Jim, Finally I could do what I want with find -iname '*.png' -exec cp -u -p {} /tmp/pngfiles \; preserving time stamp and only copying the updated files And thereafter rsync the directory from source to target instead of tar and scp. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From nathan at grandvache.com Sun Aug 20 05:42:41 2006 From: nathan at grandvache.com (Nathan Shaffer) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:42:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update Message-ID: <2CC4F011-5D17-464B-9170-28A94062CB43@grandvache.com> if you update all via "yum update", will that "break" some of the specialties of the LTSP setup - like with firefox & memory usage?? Just installed 5.0 and seems to be working great with the exception of the "gnome power-management" application quiting and trying to get the CD-roms to get recognized. Thanks, Nathan Shaffer From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Sun Aug 20 08:02:34 2006 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:02:34 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update In-Reply-To: <2CC4F011-5D17-464B-9170-28A94062CB43@grandvache.com> Message-ID: <20060819220234.7b688a58@trunks> > if you update all via "yum update", will that "break" some of the > specialties of the LTSP setup - like with firefox & memory usage?? If you installed via K12LTSP v5.0 then you have nothing to worry about. Just do a yum update right away and get it up2date. > Just installed 5.0 and seems to be working great with the exception > of the "gnome power-management" application quiting and trying to get > the CD-roms to get recognized. I asked this same question earlier this week. The fix is to turn off acpid for the gnome power management error. So, at the command prompt. Do this as root "chkconfig --level 35 acpid off" Wilson From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sun Aug 20 12:09:12 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:09:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New Questions In-Reply-To: <1156045793.12929.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <43080f460608191715t101ec282hcbc2ce062262ee10@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20608191838o1f87201v9b55e2f250e80bea@mail.gmail.com> <1156045793.12929.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <44E850E8.5020708@sau14.k12.nh.us> Les, In my opinion, the best option to use is the winbind option. The reason why is because turning on services for Unix is irreversible. So it actually changes your 2003 schema and the way active directory behaves while the winbind option doesn't mess with your active directory schema at all. -Paul Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-08-19 at 20:38, Sudev Barar wrote: > >> On 20/08/06, Mel Wade wrote: >> >>> We are a Windows shop. Can we have the login for the LTSP validate with the >>> Win 2000/3 AD and still have the ablility to lock down the desktops for all >>> but Admins and Student Admins? >>> Can I map their home folders to a Windows 2000/3 server home folder? >>> >> Look at list archieves and wiki at k12ltsp.org and ltsp.org for both. >> But why would you want to do that? IMHO you will need licensing for >> every client that authenticates itself with winbox. >> > > Has anyone tried turning on the windows 'services for unix' that > is included in 2003 server and using NIS authentication against > it along with NFS mounting the home directories? > > -- Paul VanGundy Director of Technology Epping School District P: 603.679.8003 x105 F: 603.679.2196 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us From mel at melwade.com Sun Aug 20 14:42:57 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 07:42:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Lab Monitoring Message-ID: <43080f460608200742j5be2f59ei25063cdb7e7d74b@mail.gmail.com> Is there a way to monitor the screens of the lab computers running K12LTSP? We need to be able to view what any particular user is doing for a school lab environment. -- Mel Wade "I love it when a plan comes together." - Hannibal www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I also wanted to remove the floppy drive from the Local Device Access because my clients have etherboot floppies in their floppy drives, so I don't want the LDA to even look at the floppy drive; besides, it slows down access to USB sticks. I edited the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/rules.d/15-ltsp-block.rules file, commenting out the line KERNEL=="fd[0-9]*", RUN+="/etc/udev/scripts/ltsp-device.sh" under the Legacy Floppy section. DON'T comment out the two lines after that line, or the desktop icons won't disappear when you remove any LDA device, e.g., USB sticks. I had done that, and it took a couple hours with Scott Balneaves help to fix that problem. After we figured that out, the duplicate floppy icons stopped happening, I guess because I don't see any floppy icons any more, which is what I wanted. I put a note about it on the LTSP wiki. HTH Petre Wilson Chan wrote: > Anyone able to find out how to fix the double floppy drive icon on the desktop when using a usb drive on the clients? Im using K12LTSP v5.0 (64bit). I cant seem to find much in the logs except what you see below. Thanks! > > ==Screen Shot of Double Floppy Folder== > http://tinyurl.com/n6vk3 > > ==Screen Shot of Double Floppy Folder#2== > http://tinyurl.com/ohnul > > /var/log/messages > Aug 18 23:28:14 ws209 root: udev detected add of floppy > Aug 18 23:28:14 ws209 root: udev detected add of disk > > > Wilson > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mel at melwade.com Sun Aug 20 15:04:12 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:04:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Lab Monitoring In-Reply-To: <48283.70.33.151.214.1156086135.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <43080f460608200742j5be2f59ei25063cdb7e7d74b@mail.gmail.com> <48283.70.33.151.214.1156086135.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <43080f460608200804i31a1252fg7d5093ee83581669@mail.gmail.com> Thanks. I'll spend some time in this wiki. It looks very helpful. Mel On 8/20/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > > you could use x11vnc with TeacherTool..or there is a vnc.so solution as > well...look in experimental in wiki.ltsp.org..chuck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Sun Aug 20 15:18:26 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:18:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Lab Monitoring In-Reply-To: <43080f460608200742j5be2f59ei25063cdb7e7d74b@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460608200742j5be2f59ei25063cdb7e7d74b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44E87D42.1000604@maltzen.net> fl_teachertool allows you to do this. I think it only shows up in the menu (under System/Administration?) if you're logged in as root. Otherwise, you can just call it from a command prompt, but by default only root can start it. You can change the group ownership on it to, say, teachers, so that only people in the teachers group can start it (and not students). Note that to view the users' screens (which is just one of its many features) you have to do a little bit of setup, which you can find described here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2006-August/msg00127.html Special thanks to Robert Arkiletian for this awesome tool! Petre Mel Wade wrote: > Is there a way to monitor the screens of the lab computers running > K12LTSP? We need to be able to view what any particular user is doing > for a school lab environment. > > -- > Mel Wade > "I love it when a plan comes together." - Hannibal > www.melwade.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Sun Aug 20 15:28:00 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:28:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Lab Monitoring In-Reply-To: <44E87D42.1000604@maltzen.net> References: <43080f460608200742j5be2f59ei25063cdb7e7d74b@mail.gmail.com> <44E87D42.1000604@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44E87F80.9020303@maltzen.net> I should add, I suppose, that if you run fl_teachertool as a non-root user, while you can monitor the users, you can't kill any of their processes, log them out, that sort of thing, since only root can do that. Petre Peter Scheie wrote: > fl_teachertool allows you to do this. I think it only shows up in the > menu (under System/Administration?) if you're logged in as root. > Otherwise, you can just call it from a command prompt, but by default > only root can start it. You can change the group ownership on it to, > say, teachers, so that only people in the teachers group can start it > (and not students). Note that to view the users' screens (which is just > one of its many features) you have to do a little bit of setup, which > you can find described here: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2006-August/msg00127.html > > Special thanks to Robert Arkiletian for this awesome tool! > > Petre > > Mel Wade wrote: >> Is there a way to monitor the screens of the lab computers running >> K12LTSP? We need to be able to view what any particular user is doing >> for a school lab environment. >> >> -- >> Mel Wade >> "I love it when a plan comes together." - Hannibal >> www.melwade.com >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Sun Aug 20 15:41:45 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:41:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update In-Reply-To: <20060819220234.7b688a58@trunks> References: <20060819220234.7b688a58@trunks> Message-ID: <44E882B9.5010502@maltzen.net> >> Just installed 5.0 and seems to be working great with the exception >> of the "gnome power-management" application quiting and trying to get >> the CD-roms to get recognized. > > I asked this same question earlier this week. The fix is to turn off acpid for the gnome power management error. So, at the command prompt. Do this as root "chkconfig --level 35 acpid off" > > > Wilson > I was having the same problem with the gnome power manager dying. I turned acpid off ('/etc/init.d/apcid stop') and also turned it off with chkconfig, but gnome-power-manager was still being loaded on the clients, and dying inconveniently. Since I'm not running laptops, the power manager seems pointless, so I just removed the gnome-power-manager package, with so far, no ill effects. Petre From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sun Aug 20 16:06:04 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:06:04 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Lab Monitoring In-Reply-To: <44E87F80.9020303@maltzen.net> References: <43080f460608200742j5be2f59ei25063cdb7e7d74b@mail.gmail.com> <44E87D42.1000604@maltzen.net> <44E87F80.9020303@maltzen.net> Message-ID: If you follow the installation guide and setup sudo privileges for teacher group you can do every thing. On 21/08/06, Peter Scheie wrote: > > I should add, I suppose, that if you run fl_teachertool as a non-root > user, while you can monitor the users, you can't kill any of their > processes, log them out, that sort of thing, since only root can do that. > > Petre > > Peter Scheie wrote: > > fl_teachertool allows you to do this. I think it only shows up in the > > menu (under System/Administration?) if you're logged in as root. > > Otherwise, you can just call it from a command prompt, but by default > > only root can start it. You can change the group ownership on it to, > > say, teachers, so that only people in the teachers group can start it > > (and not students). Note that to view the users' screens (which is just > > one of its many features) you have to do a little bit of setup, which > > you can find described here: > > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2006-August/msg00127.html > > > > Special thanks to Robert Arkiletian for this awesome tool! > > > > Petre > > > > Mel Wade wrote: > >> Is there a way to monitor the screens of the lab computers running > >> K12LTSP? 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Thanks - I thought I had seen in a magazine review that the current SFU in win2003 was better than earlier versions and wondered if anyone had tried it or how the user directories would mesh with k12ltsp. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sun Aug 20 17:12:00 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:12:00 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] booting imac Message-ID: <1156093920.5299.13.camel@susey.bushpig> I know nothing about imacs but was just given one with a dead hard drive to play with. I thought: what better use for it than as a thin client on K12ltsp :-) I can't find any info on booting these as a thin client, other than I read that it is being done. For example, is this thing going to network/pxe boot with the hard drive dead/removed? Supplementary question ;-) I have found howtos on installing linux on imacs, and I was surprised to find that the drive in this imac is a standard 6GB IDE, so I popped an identical drive in and tried to get an install happening. Seems to be a 'no-show' without the mac CDs to do something with the 'openfirmware'. IOW, I can't get the thing to boot from my linux install CDs. I read of the trick of using the key combo of 'apple+alt+o+f', but that made no difference to me seeing a mac icon flashing alternately with a question mark. Could someone please point me to a howto on booting an imac to install linux with ONLY a _blank_ replacement drive? Thanks. Gavin From scott at hosef.org Sun Aug 20 17:45:20 2006 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 07:45:20 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] booting imac In-Reply-To: <1156093920.5299.13.camel@susey.bushpig> References: <1156093920.5299.13.camel@susey.bushpig> Message-ID: <44E89FB0.5060707@hosef.org> Gavin Chester wrote: > I know nothing about imacs but was just given one with a dead hard drive > to play with. I thought: what better use for it than as a thin client > on K12ltsp :-) I can't find any info on booting these as a thin client, > other than I read that it is being done. For example, is this thing > going to network/pxe boot with the hard drive dead/removed? Have you tried holding down the n key while booting? > > Supplementary question ;-) > I have found howtos on installing linux on imacs, and I was surprised to > find that the drive in this imac is a standard 6GB IDE, so I popped an > identical drive in and tried to get an install happening. Seems to be a > 'no-show' without the mac CDs to do something with the 'openfirmware'. > IOW, I can't get the thing to boot from my linux install CDs. I read of > the trick of using the key combo of 'apple+alt+o+f', but that made no > difference to me seeing a mac icon flashing alternately with a question > mark. Could someone please point me to a howto on booting an imac to > install linux with ONLY a _blank_ replacement drive? Thanks. I've been running debian on my macs for about 5 years now. This guide covers it all http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ Earlier this year I replaced some drives in a few imacs. I recall the drives not being seen until I made them master. (or was it cable select?) I just recall the drive not showing as a function of the jumper setting. > > Gavin --scott From robark at gmail.com Sun Aug 20 18:25:55 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:25:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Lab Monitoring In-Reply-To: <43080f460608200742j5be2f59ei25063cdb7e7d74b@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460608200742j5be2f59ei25063cdb7e7d74b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 8/20/06, Mel Wade wrote: > > Is there a way to monitor the screens of the lab computers running > K12LTSP? We need to be able to view what any particular user is doing for a > school lab environment. > Yes, as others have mentioned, fl_teachertool will do that and more things like broadcasting a window to all students for demo purposes. If you are using K12LTSP 5.0 1) Edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and uncomment (remove the "#") from the following line: X4_MODULE_02 = vnc 2) Now you'll have to make a password for the vnc-session. Run this command as root user: /usr/bin/vncpasswd 3) Again as root user copy the password file into the ltsp-tree cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ 4) Reboot your clients As for allowing teachers to run the program. Setting Up Fl_TeacherTool to run with sudo: Step 1 Create a group for teachers using "system-config-users". For example 'teachers'. Then add that group to all the users who you wish to run fl_teachertool. Step 2 become root with $su - Then run "visudo". It's a special editor for the sudoers file. Add the following line to the end of the file using vi editing techniques %teachers ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/fl_teachertool make sure that it's not the last line (in other words: don't forget to hit enter) If you don't know vi then just goto the last line and hit the letter "i" for (insert) then type the above line, hit enter, then hit the escape key. Now type :wq (hit enter) this saves and exits. Step 3 If your fellow teachers are not comfortable typing "sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool" then add an alias in file .bashrc (notice it starts with a period) in the home directory of the people who will run the program like this # User specific aliases and functions alias teach='sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool' Then they only have to type "teach" or alternatively put a launcher icon with the command sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool on their desktop Enjoy! -- > Mel Wade > "I love it when a plan comes together." - Hannibal > www.melwade.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thepiano at telenet.be Sun Aug 20 19:44:01 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:44:01 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] The Symbiont Message-ID: <9A8BD747-62B9-411A-AC58-EC6FEB969AEB@telenet.be> Anyone know what happend to the Symbiont? Their site seems to be down? Kevin From thepiano at telenet.be Sun Aug 20 21:16:44 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:16:44 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] File ownership help In-Reply-To: <44E78075.5060800@maltzen.net> References: <20060819123009.57701.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060819124212.61343.qmail@web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1105.4.154.205.150.1156000455.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> <44E78075.5060800@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <8CEAA711-8E89-4399-950E-78212BC9D10A@telenet.be> Is there a way to set the umask permanent on dirs? Or better: how to set the umask when login in? Kevin Op 19-aug-06, om 23:19 heeft Peter Scheie het volgende geschreven: > You may be thinking of the group sticky bit. If you set this on a > directory, the group for any files created in that directory will > be the > same as the group of the directory itself. So, for example if you > have > a directory /common and the group for it is users, and I, with ID > petre:petre, meaning my primary group is also called petre, put a file > in that directory, the group for that file will be users, not > petre. To > insure that everyone in the users group can read & write that file, > check the default umask, which strips rights away from files; hint, > you'll want the umask to be 002 if the group will need write > permissions > for the files created. You set the stick bit with chmod: > > chmod g+s common > > HTH > > Petre > > mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us wrote: >> A while back I remember reading about a way to always assign >> ownership of >> a file to the owner of the directory regardless of who the >> creating user >> is. I cannot remember where I read this. Can someone point me to >> the >> document or tell me how to do this. >> Mark Orenstein >> East Granby, CT School System >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sun Aug 20 23:36:28 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:36:28 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] can not get a printer to work.. In-Reply-To: <200608202349.32496.MichaelHoeller@t-online.de> References: <200608202137.34248.MichaelHoeller@t-online.de> <200608202349.32496.MichaelHoeller@t-online.de> Message-ID: Try the wiki for more help http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Printers On 21/08/06, Michael Hoeller wrote: > > Thanks, > > I have setup the spool on the server dirctly print via tcp at ws001:9100 > This works with no further setup cups.conf | grep 9100 results to > nothing > > Michael > > Krsnendu Dasa wrote at Sonntag, 20. August 2006 22:14: > > Add printer using printer utility. The printer is jetdirect using ip > > address of the client. > > > -- > Please check my signature here: > https://ca.fernuni-hagen.de/certserver/ca_key_laden.php > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbarar at gmail.com Mon Aug 21 00:50:20 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 06:20:20 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] File ownership help In-Reply-To: <8CEAA711-8E89-4399-950E-78212BC9D10A@telenet.be> References: <20060819123009.57701.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060819124212.61343.qmail@web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1105.4.154.205.150.1156000455.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> <44E78075.5060800@maltzen.net> <8CEAA711-8E89-4399-950E-78212BC9D10A@telenet.be> Message-ID: <774593a20608201750g56c3de37pa84ece4c793c088c@mail.gmail.com> On 21/08/06, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Is there a way to set the umask permanent on dirs? > Or better: how to set the umask when login in? Kevin look at /etc/profile -- Regards, Sudev Barar From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Aug 21 01:03:02 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:03:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] The Symbiont In-Reply-To: <9A8BD747-62B9-411A-AC58-EC6FEB969AEB@telenet.be> References: <9A8BD747-62B9-411A-AC58-EC6FEB969AEB@telenet.be> Message-ID: Was talking to Gadi Friday....I think it's probably a glitch "Support list for open source software in schools." on Sunday, August 20, 2006 at 3:44 PM +0000 wrote: >Anyone know what happend to the Symbiont? > >Their site seems to be down? > >Kevin > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Aug 21 01:03:02 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:03:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] The Symbiont In-Reply-To: <9A8BD747-62B9-411A-AC58-EC6FEB969AEB@telenet.be> References: <9A8BD747-62B9-411A-AC58-EC6FEB969AEB@telenet.be> Message-ID: Was talking to Gadi Friday....I think it's probably a glitch "Support list for open source software in schools." on Sunday, August 20, 2006 at 3:44 PM +0000 wrote: >Anyone know what happend to the Symbiont? > >Their site seems to be down? > >Kevin > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Aug 21 01:05:27 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:05:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Lab Monitoring In-Reply-To: References: <43080f460608200742j5be2f59ei25063cdb7e7d74b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: FL-teachertool ROCKS! "Support list for open source software in schools." on Sunday, August 20, 2006 at 2:25 PM +0000 wrote: > > >On 8/20/06, Mel Wade <[ mailto:mel at melwade.com ]mel at melwade.com> wrote: > > >Is there a way to monitor the screens of the lab computers running >K12LTSP? We need to be able to view what any particular user is doing >for a school lab environment. > > > >Yes, as others have mentioned, fl_teachertool will do that and more >things like broadcasting a window to all students for demo purposes. > >If you are using K12LTSP 5.0 > >1) Edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and uncomment (remove the >"#") from the following line: > > X4_MODULE_02 = vnc > >2) Now you'll have to make a password for the vnc-session. Run this >command as root user: > > /usr/bin/vncpasswd > >3) Again as root user copy the password file into the ltsp-tree > > cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ > >4) Reboot your clients > >As for allowing teachers to run the program. > > Setting Up Fl_TeacherTool to run with sudo: > > Step 1 > Create a group for teachers using "system-config-users". > For example 'teachers'. Then add that group to all the users who > you wish to run fl_teachertool. > > Step 2 > become root with > $su - > Then run "visudo". It's a special editor for the sudoers file. > Add the following line to the end of the file using vi editing >techniques > > %teachers ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/fl_teachertool > > make sure that it's not the last line > (in other words: don't forget to hit enter) > If you don't know vi then just goto the last line and hit the > letter "i" for (insert) then type the above line, hit enter, then hit > the escape key. Now type :wq (hit enter) this saves and exits. > > Step 3 > If your fellow teachers are not comfortable typing "sudo >/usr/sbin/fl_teachertool" then add an > alias in file .bashrc (notice it starts with a period) in the home >directory of the people who will run the program like this > > # User specific aliases and functions > alias teach='sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool' > > Then they only have to type "teach" > > or alternatively put a launcher icon with the command > sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool > on their desktop > > Enjoy! > > > > >-- >Mel Wade >"I love it when a plan comes together." - Hannibal >[ http://www.melwade.com ]www.melwade.com > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >[ mailto:K12OSN at redhat.com ]K12OSN at redhat.com >[ https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn ] >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see <[ http://www.k12os.org ]http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > >-- >Robert Arkiletian >Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada >Fl_TeacherTool [ http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ >]http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ >C++ GUI tutorial [ http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ >]http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 01:18:47 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Which distro for second server? In-Reply-To: <1155699877.28762.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20060821011847.35198.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> CentOS has a backuppc package available, too. I think it's in the testing repository. -Rob --- Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 18:53, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > I have successfully migrated from my old K12LTSP > 4.2 server to an > > identical box running K12LTSP5.0 > > I would now like to use the old box as a Backuppc > server and to run > > Windows XP under VMware server for some legacy > apps. > > Also looking to install Koha, library manager and > Asterisk, VoIP PABX > > system. > > > > I am quite familiar with Fedora having used it for > a few years now > > with K12LTSP. I have also installed Ubuntu at home > and find it quite > > easy to use. > > > > I am trying to decide which distribution to use > for the backup server. > > Here are the pluses and minuses for each as I see > it. > > > > K12LTSP- > > + > > Can use as a redundant load balancing terminal > server as the demand > > increases -- > increased performance / reliability > > > Could set up proxy to yum updates only have to be > downloaded once --> > > (save a few bucks on internet charges) > > - > > Trickier to set up Backuppc (I had a hard time > trying last year.) > > > > UBUNTU > > + > > Easy to install Backuppc (apt-get backuppc does > most of the work > > automatically) > > VMware server is also in apt-get repositories > > easy LAMP (web server) installation option > > - > > Another system to understand and maintain > > > > Any other point that could help my decision? > > One other option to consider: use the > K12LTSP4.2.3EL version > based on Centos. Everything will be very familiar > and you > can expect it to keep working with 'yum update' for > several > more years. It makes a nice stable base to run > vmware > server for more experimental things. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Aug 21 02:33:11 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:33:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Great site for Linux newbies Message-ID: Great site for linux newbies...has some great tutorials and quick-start guides http://www.reallylinux.com/ David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Mon Aug 21 02:34:54 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:34:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] File ownership help In-Reply-To: <8CEAA711-8E89-4399-950E-78212BC9D10A@telenet.be> References: <20060819123009.57701.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060819124212.61343.qmail@web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1105.4.154.205.150.1156000455.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> <44E78075.5060800@maltzen.net> <8CEAA711-8E89-4399-950E-78212BC9D10A@telenet.be> Message-ID: <44E91BCE.4050805@maltzen.net> umask is not a property of files or directories, but rather of the user. The system-wide umask is set in /etc/bashrc at line 11 (on k12ltsp 5). It defaults to 022, meaning that when a user creates a file 2 will be subtracted from 7 for other and for the group, which means the file will have default permissions of 755. Change the umask setting in /etc/bashrc to 002, so that the group permissions are set to 7 (rwx) and that way everyone who puts a file into the directory where you've set the sticky bit will be able to also edit any of those files, assuming that's what you want. Petre Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Is there a way to set the umask permanent on dirs? > Or better: how to set the umask when login in? > > Kevin > > > Op 19-aug-06, om 23:19 heeft Peter Scheie het volgende geschreven: > >> You may be thinking of the group sticky bit. If you set this on a >> directory, the group for any files created in that directory will be the >> same as the group of the directory itself. So, for example if you have >> a directory /common and the group for it is users, and I, with ID >> petre:petre, meaning my primary group is also called petre, put a file >> in that directory, the group for that file will be users, not petre. To >> insure that everyone in the users group can read & write that file, >> check the default umask, which strips rights away from files; hint, >> you'll want the umask to be 002 if the group will need write permissions >> for the files created. You set the stick bit with chmod: >> >> chmod g+s common >> >> HTH >> >> Petre >> >> mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us wrote: >>> A while back I remember reading about a way to always assign >>> ownership of >>> a file to the owner of the directory regardless of who the creating user >>> is. I cannot remember where I read this. Can someone point me to the >>> document or tell me how to do this. >>> Mark Orenstein >>> East Granby, CT School System >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Mon Aug 21 01:46:48 2006 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:46:48 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux workstation Message-ID: <1156124809.2514.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey all, Thanks for the help last week. Now I've hit another snag. I use FC5 as my OS of choice. I'm trying to open files on the Samba server from Open Office. The OO file browser won't let me access the network directly, the way Konqueror does. So I've come to the conclusion that I need to mount the SAMBA shares in my filesystem. Great in theory, difficult in practice. I've tried using the mount.cifs man pages, but they are difficult to understand. The Redhat help FAQ's have useful suggestions, but it appears I can only carry out the methods in their FAQ's as root. I can access the files through Konqueror. Which means I have to copy the file from the server to the local machine. Then I can work on it, and save it locally. After that I can save back to the server. This sort of defeats the purpose of a central file store / server. I've also tried using NFS, but my workstation can't find the NFS server. How are people on this list going about solving this problem? Thanks for your help, Bert From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Aug 21 02:54:23 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:54:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Redirect "My Documents" folder to home folder In-Reply-To: <44DAD974.8040206@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <20060809164610.B74AE4905FC@ephesus.modevia.com> <44DAD974.8040206@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <9bd317560608201954y2e8658d4n612c808e7b29aae8@mail.gmail.com> Hey Brian, Thanks for suggesting Kixtart. I don't want to offer the windows shell at all to users so I used the gui-builder (really easy) to make a launcher for the few windows apps we are going to use. I thing it's easier than locking down everything and I think there will be less chance of the kids executing something malicious if they only have 4 options none of which are Internet Explorer. Plus teh windows shell takes up at least 10-15MB per user and were a little low on ram. But I'm definitely interested in your scripts for re-mapping etc. Maybe I could do everything I want just with kixstart. I'd be happy to share my kixtart script for launching apps if anyone is interested. Thanks, Peter On 8/10/06, Brian Chivers wrote: > Paul Lemke wrote: > > Hi all, > > Is there a way in windows 2000 to script the changing of the "My Documents" > > from "c:\docs and settings\blah\blah\mydocuments" to their mapped home > > directory? Specifically their startup.bat file that get's executed when they > > log in. > > > > I've googled it and can't see to come up with an easy answer. The reason > > behind this is I have roaming profiles turned on, but I don't want the users > > to wait all the time to copy their entire home directory. Sure I could tell > > them to save everything to their "X drive" but it's easier to show them how > > to save it to their "my documents" folder. > > > > Thanks for the help! > > Paul > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > I do this using kixstart scripting language from kixstart.org. I also use the script to alter things > like IE homepage & screensavers etc. > > You can alter all the locations for things like My Picture, My Doc's , Desktop even using the > scripting and you can do it on groups so staff have on location & students other. I use it to setup > drive mappings as well > > If you'd like a copy of my loginscripts let me know and I'll mail them over. > > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Mon Aug 21 03:53:43 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:53:43 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] booting imac In-Reply-To: <44E89FB0.5060707@hosef.org> References: <1156093920.5299.13.camel@susey.bushpig> <44E89FB0.5060707@hosef.org> Message-ID: <1156132423.5299.37.camel@susey.bushpig> On Sun, 2006-08-20 at 07:45 -1000, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Gavin Chester wrote: > > I know nothing about imacs but was just given one with a dead hard drive > > to play with. I thought: what better use for it than as a thin client > > on K12ltsp :-) I can't find any info on booting these as a thin client, > > other than I read that it is being done. For example, is this thing > > going to network/pxe boot with the hard drive dead/removed? > > Have you tried holding down the n key while booting? That was one of the tips that I couldn't find elsewhere! Thanks. Showing my inexperience with imacs, though: will it still work with a dead/removed hard drive? I mean, can an imac be made into a _diskless_ client? That what I can't find documented :-( -snip- > Could someone please point me to a howto on booting an imac to > > install linux with ONLY a _blank_ replacement drive? Thanks. > > I've been running debian on my macs for about 5 years now. This guide > covers it all > > http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ > > Earlier this year I replaced some drives in a few imacs. I recall the > drives not being seen until I made them master. (or was it cable > select?) I just recall the drive not showing as a function of the > jumper setting. The guides I read said the booting drive must be master - but then that's the same with intel-based PCs anyway. I also found this guide useful and directly relevant: http://www.xs4all.nl/~fgalli/imac-linux-7.0+7.3.html "Installing Linux on a iMac (SuSE 7.0)" and this one: http://www.lowendmac.com/stotler/06/0731.html "The Ins and Outs of Booting Linux on the Mac" ""New World" Macs started with the colored iMacs and include all the Power Macs since the Blue & White G3s and the Lombard PowerBooks. These machines are able to boot a Linux install CD directly and are able to boot directly into Linux. They don't have to have the Mac OS installed." Those and other guides I've read (including the one you gave) all refer to accessing 'open firmare' using a four-key boot option. This has no effect on the 1998-vintage imac I have. I just get a small flashing image that alternates between a mac logo and a question mark. The suse install cd that I put in the imac was not seen at boot, so somehow I need to get it seen :-/ In short, I don't have any mac software discs, nor can I seem to access the mac bios. Is there any way to do this? I'm sorry my supplementary question is getting so far OT, but I know there are some serious mac gurus on this list ;-) I hope to restore this imac to be a standalone machine (with linux) or a k12 client. Gavin From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Aug 21 06:34:54 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 07:34:54 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Redirect "My Documents" folder to home folder In-Reply-To: <9bd317560608201954y2e8658d4n612c808e7b29aae8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060809164610.B74AE4905FC@ephesus.modevia.com> <44DAD974.8040206@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <9bd317560608201954y2e8658d4n612c808e7b29aae8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44E9540E.40500@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> I'd be interested in any scripts you've created :-) I've mailed you directly my scripts, if anyone else wants them let me know and I'll host them somewhere to make it easier for people to view. Brian Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey Brian, > Thanks for suggesting Kixtart. I don't want to offer the windows > shell at all to users so I used the gui-builder (really easy) to make > a launcher for the few windows apps we are going to use. I thing it's > easier than locking down everything and I think there will be less > chance of the kids executing something malicious if they only have 4 > options none of which are Internet Explorer. Plus teh windows shell > takes up at least 10-15MB per user and were a little low on ram. But > I'm definitely interested in your scripts for re-mapping etc. Maybe I > could do everything I want just with kixstart. I'd be happy to share > my kixtart script for launching apps if anyone is interested. > > > Thanks, > Peter > > On 8/10/06, Brian Chivers wrote: >> Paul Lemke wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > Is there a way in windows 2000 to script the changing of the "My >> Documents" >> > from "c:\docs and settings\blah\blah\mydocuments" to their mapped home >> > directory? Specifically their startup.bat file that get's executed >> when they >> > log in. >> > >> > I've googled it and can't see to come up with an easy answer. The >> reason >> > behind this is I have roaming profiles turned on, but I don't want >> the users >> > to wait all the time to copy their entire home directory. Sure I >> could tell >> > them to save everything to their "X drive" but it's easier to show >> them how >> > to save it to their "my documents" folder. >> > >> > Thanks for the help! >> > Paul >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> > >> >> >> I do this using kixstart scripting language from kixstart.org. I also >> use the script to alter things >> like IE homepage & screensavers etc. >> >> You can alter all the locations for things like My Picture, My Doc's , >> Desktop even using the >> scripting and you can do it on groups so staff have on location & >> students other. I use it to setup >> drive mappings as well >> >> If you'd like a copy of my loginscripts let me know and I'll mail them >> over. >> >> Brian Chivers >> Portsmouth College >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> the views of Portsmouth College >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From theweaver at tiscali.co.uk Mon Aug 21 07:49:30 2006 From: theweaver at tiscali.co.uk (theweaver at tiscali.co.uk) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:49:30 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Keeps Crashing Message-ID: <44DA15880002D125@mail-4-uk.mail.tiscali.sys> My server HAS and Intel Celeron 2.40gig cpu with two 10/100 Realtek NIC, 512mb ram, 80gig hard drive my client is a IBM T21 Laptop which boots fine, however as soon as I open a text or browse the internet it crashes in fact anything I do it crashes, any idea as to why? The laptop works fine in windows or not as a diskless. Mark ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ From sbarar at gmail.com Mon Aug 21 08:52:53 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:22:53 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Keeps Crashing In-Reply-To: <44DA15880002D125@mail-4-uk.mail.tiscali.sys> References: <44DA15880002D125@mail-4-uk.mail.tiscali.sys> Message-ID: <774593a20608210152g56b5dd0bgaf6e27ddb70434a@mail.gmail.com> On 21/08/06, theweaver at tiscali.co.uk wrote: > My server HAS and Intel Celeron 2.40gig cpu with two > 10/100 Realtek NIC, 512mb ram, 80gig hard drive my client is a IBM T21 Laptop > which boots fine, however as soon as I open a text or browse the internet > it crashes in fact anything I do it crashes, any idea as to why? The laptop > works fine in windows or > not as a diskless. Mark, The server is okay for one/two clients. What could be the problem? Before you run the OO/Firefox does the client behave okay without any application launch? Have you set up swap partition on server? Which distro you are using? K12 4or 5 should have set up swap automatically if you used default partitioning. I would launch top or system monitor and see what comes up on launch of OO/Firefox. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From cliebow at midmaine.com Mon Aug 21 10:18:44 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 06:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] booting imac In-Reply-To: <1156132423.5299.37.camel@susey.bushpig> References: <1156093920.5299.13.camel@susey.bushpig> <44E89FB0.5060707@hosef.org> <1156132423.5299.37.camel@susey.bushpig> Message-ID: <39872.70.33.151.214.1156155524.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> wiki.ltsp.org under cpu architecture..chuck From dahopkins at comcast.net Mon Aug 21 12:31:22 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:31:22 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] user's can't login in after FC5 install Message-ID: <082120061231.16190.44E9A79A000A6CF800003F3E22007456729C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Over the weekend, I rebuilt our K12LTSP servers to the latest release. Now, for many (not all) users, they can start the log on process and then they are immediately logged out. the usersname/password is being acceptedas valid, but they are still being logged off. This is happening to a lot of teachers. Has anyone seen this issue? I tried searching through the archives since I thought I had seen this issue discussed earlier, but didn't find anything. At present, I have many annoyed teachers on their first day (morning) back. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Aug 21 13:07:05 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:07:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] booting imac In-Reply-To: <1156132423.5299.37.camel@susey.bushpig> References: <1156093920.5299.13.camel@susey.bushpig> <44E89FB0.5060707@hosef.org> <1156132423.5299.37.camel@susey.bushpig> Message-ID: <20060821125507.M53571@winonacotter.org> > That was one of the tips that I couldn't find elsewhere! Thanks. > Showing my inexperience with imacs, though: will it still work with a > dead/removed hard drive? I mean, can an imac be made into a _diskless_ > client? That what I can't find documented :-( Yes, you can use an iMac as a diskless workstation. If you have changed your server IP from the default of 192.168.1.254 then you need to modify /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf and modify the line at the top of the file that points to your server to match the actual IP. I believe that if you are using K12LTSP version 5 this updates automatically. After that you can simply boot your iMac by holding down the "N" key on the keyboard. If that for some reason does not work, try booting with cmd+option+o+f which will bring you to a command prompt. Then at the prompt type "boot enet:192.168.1.254;yaboot" with out the quotes and the IP set to match your server IP. If either of the changes above work let us know, if you have one of the lucky ones that require the firmware command then there is a set of instructions to set it permanent. > Those and other guides I've read (including the one you gave) all refer > to accessing 'open firmare' using a four-key boot option. This has > no effect on the 1998-vintage imac I have. I just get a small flashing > image that alternates between a mac logo and a question mark. The suse > install cd that I put in the imac was not seen at boot, so somehow I > need to get it seen :-/ You will not find a bios on a Mac like on a Intel machine :-( Boot order is set permanently unless you override with firmware commands or keystrokes. I assume you are trying to boot Yellow Dog Linux or some PPC based Linux distro. If that is the case, hold down the "C" key on boot. This tells the system to boot from the CD drive. You don't have to do anything more to boot from any CD, forget about what you read regarding open firmware for that. If it does not boot either the CD is not bootable or the CDROM is dead. The flashing question mark means it cannot find a bootable image, either on the Hard Drive or CDROM. As far as installing the HD set the jumpers to what the old drive was set, then you know it is compatible. The iMac will boot the network or CD regardless of whether or not the HD is detected or even installed. I assume with the 1998 vintage info you are talking about you have an iMac Bondi. They come with 233Mhz processors and 64MB RAM. You can up the ram but the standard config works great as a thin client. You'll just find yourself swapping the damn single button mouse out for a 2 button about 5 minutes after you boot it. Apple still thinks their users are too stupid to handle more than one button, annoying. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Mon Aug 21 13:12:26 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:12:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux workstation In-Reply-To: <1156124809.2514.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1156124809.2514.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44E9B13A.9070302@maltzen.net> Hey Bert, good to see you back on the list again! As to your problem, sshfs is your friend. It allows you, as a non-root user, to mount directories from remote machines over ssh; no NFS needed. The syntax is easy: sshfs remotehost:/path/to/desired/directory /localmountpoint /localmountpoint can be just a directory in your $HOME. After you mount this, you can see the contents of the remote host right in /localmountpoint. And this works from a thin client. It is COOL! Everything's transparent to your apps. You can run it safely across the internet since it's all ssh. It uses fuse, which is the same component used in LTSP 4.2's new improved Local Device Access. The package you want is sshfs-fuse (or is it fuse-sshfs? One or the other). Do a yum install on it and you'll be on your way. Petre Bert Rolston wrote: > Hey all, > > Thanks for the help last week. > > Now I've hit another snag. > > I use FC5 as my OS of choice. I'm trying to open files on the Samba > server from Open Office. The OO file browser won't let me access the > network directly, the way Konqueror does. > > So I've come to the conclusion that I need to mount the SAMBA shares in > my filesystem. Great in theory, difficult in practice. > > I've tried using the mount.cifs man pages, but they are difficult to > understand. > > The Redhat help FAQ's have useful suggestions, but it appears I can only > carry out the methods in their FAQ's as root. > > I can access the files through Konqueror. Which means I have to copy the > file from the server to the local machine. Then I can work on it, and > save it locally. After that I can save back to the server. This sort of > defeats the purpose of a central file store / server. > > I've also tried using NFS, but my workstation can't find the NFS server. > > How are people on this list going about solving this problem? > > Thanks for your help, > Bert > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From nils at breun.nl Mon Aug 21 13:18:00 2006 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:18:00 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] booting imac In-Reply-To: <20060821125507.M53571@winonacotter.org> References: <1156093920.5299.13.camel@susey.bushpig> <44E89FB0.5060707@hosef.org> <1156132423.5299.37.camel@susey.bushpig> <20060821125507.M53571@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I assume with the 1998 vintage info you are talking about you have > an iMac > Bondi. They come with 233Mhz processors and 64MB RAM. You can up > the ram but > the standard config works great as a thin client. You'll just find > yourself > swapping the damn single button mouse out for a 2 button about 5 > minutes after > you boot it. Apple still thinks their users are too stupid to > handle more > than one button, annoying. If you're running Linux or Windows, yes, you'll want a 2/3 button mouse. But OS X just has a really nice user interface. I use a Mac everyday (great little sysadmin machines) and if I ever need a context menu (rarely) ctrl+tap does the job just fine. I really don't need a second mouse button in OS X. But oh well, let's stop the flamewar right here and now: they released the Mighty Mouse some time ago, didn't they? :o) Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From petre at maltzen.net Mon Aug 21 13:21:49 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:21:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] user's can't login in after FC5 install In-Reply-To: <082120061231.16190.44E9A79A000A6CF800003F3E22007456729C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <082120061231.16190.44E9A79A000A6CF800003F3E22007456729C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <44E9B36D.6000504@maltzen.net> Did you copy the users' $HOME directories over from a previous release? I've found that sometimes has the effect of kicking users out because some setting, say, gnome-related, doesn't work with the new version/libraries/etc. As a quick test, rename a problem-user's home directory to something inconsequential, create a new home directory, put the contents of /etc/skel into it, and have the user try it. Assuming it works, you then have to go through the tedious process of moving the user's files by hand rather than wholesale, but at least the user can get online in the meantime. Or you can try to find out what directory/setting is causing the problem. If you're using gnome, I'd try moving the .gnome* directories out and see if that fixes things. dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Over the weekend, I rebuilt our K12LTSP servers to the latest release. Now, for many (not all) users, they can start the log on process and then they are immediately logged out. the usersname/password is being acceptedas valid, but they are still being logged off. This is happening to a lot of teachers. Has anyone seen this issue? I tried searching through the archives since I thought I had seen this issue discussed earlier, but didn't find anything. At present, I have many annoyed teachers on their first day (morning) back. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > Newark Charter School > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Aug 21 13:38:02 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:38:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] booting imac In-Reply-To: References: <1156093920.5299.13.camel@susey.bushpig> <44E89FB0.5060707@hosef.org> <1156132423.5299.37.camel@susey.bushpig> <20060821125507.M53571@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20060821133229.M20277@winonacotter.org> > If you're running Linux or Windows, yes, you'll want a 2/3 button > mouse. But OS X just has a really nice user interface. I use a Mac > everyday (great little sysadmin machines) and if I ever need a > context menu (rarely) ctrl+tap does the job just fine. I really > don't need a second mouse button in OS X. But oh well, let's stop > the flamewar right here and now: they released the Mighty Mouse > some time ago, didn't they? :o) Rarely do I need left click is OSX, it is a nice interface. But that doesn't eliminate other apps. Most every app I use has handy quick reference menus available via right click. And hitting another key drives me insane. Regardless of the OS, right click is just darn handy, maybe not as much for the OS, but the apps. Of course OSX is still pretty hot key based. Simply right clicking for Get Info is much less of a task than navigating the menus or hitting apple+i. I think right click is still very handy for the OS as well. Yeah, I saw the mighty mouse awhile back and was pumped. Still sad to see it isn't the default mouse included with new systems, they really rake you over the coals when it comes to purchase one. A $15 optical mouse from computergeeks.com works perfect. I don't flame, I just add opinions :-) I'm pretty mello. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Aug 21 13:44:09 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:44:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] user's can't login in after FC5 install In-Reply-To: <44E9B36D.6000504@maltzen.net> References: <082120061231.16190.44E9A79A000A6CF800003F3E22007456729C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <44E9B36D.6000504@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20060821134034.M71266@winonacotter.org> > dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Over the weekend, I rebuilt our K12LTSP servers to the latest release. Now, > for many (not all) users, they can start the log on process and then they are > immediately logged out. the usersname/password is being acceptedas valid, but > they are still being logged off. This is happening to a lot of teachers. Has > anyone seen this issue? I tried searching through the archives since I thought > I had seen this issue discussed earlier, but didn't find anything. At present, > I have many annoyed teachers on their first day (morning) back. Not sure if this will fix it or not, but my /home directories are not running the default permissions of 755 for security reasons. I run either 770 or 700. This causes problems with the new version of Gnome. The following fixed some problems for me, just give it a try. First: vi /etc/gdm/custom.conf Then in the [security] section add the following line: [security] RelaxPermissions=1 Then reboot the server and try to log in with the problem users. I have never ran into this before, but it seems to be a security feature. This just relaxes Gnome so it isn't so worried about checking permissions to be sure everyone is safe. Good luck! -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From edward at netday.org.za Mon Aug 21 13:48:07 2006 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:48:07 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] user's can't login in after FC5 install In-Reply-To: <082120061231.16190.44E9A79A000A6CF800003F3E22007456729C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <082120061231.16190.44E9A79A000A6CF800003F3E22007456729C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 21 Aug 2006, at 2:31 PM, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Over the weekend, I rebuilt our K12LTSP servers to the latest > release. Now, for many (not all) users, they can start the log on > process and then they are immediately logged out. the usersname/ > password is being acceptedas valid, but they are still being logged > off. This is happening to a lot of teachers. Has anyone seen this > issue? I tried searching through the archives since I thought I had > seen this issue discussed earlier, but didn't find anything. At > present, I have many annoyed teachers on their first day (morning) > back. I had this problem recently. In my case it was caused by a full hard drive. ed > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > Newark Charter School > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Edward Holcroft Executive Director: NetDay South Africa From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Mon Aug 21 13:48:30 2006 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:48:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] The Symbiont In-Reply-To: References: <9A8BD747-62B9-411A-AC58-EC6FEB969AEB@telenet.be> Message-ID: <1156168110.29980.28.camel@localhost> Guys, thanks for the concern. David's right. Just a hardware glitch on the server. Fortunately, this is when the three rules of IT come in handy: backup, backup, backup. :) Cheers, -Gadi On Sun, 2006-08-20 at 21:03 -0400, David Trask wrote: > Was talking to Gadi Friday....I think it's probably a glitch > > "Support list for open source software in schools." on > Sunday, August 20, 2006 at 3:44 PM +0000 wrote: > >Anyone know what happend to the Symbiont? > > > >Their site seems to be down? > > > >Kevin > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Proud LTSP Developer ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Support LTSP! Buy your hardware at: www.DisklessWorkstations.com www.DisklessThinClients.com (use coupon code: LTSP5P for 5% off thin clients from DisklessThinClients.com) From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 13:51:44 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 06:51:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux workstation In-Reply-To: <1156124809.2514.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060821135144.93069.qmail@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bert Rolston > To: K12OSN > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 9:46:48 PM > Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux workstation > > Hey all, > > Thanks for the help last week. > > Now I've hit another snag. > > I use FC5 as my OS of choice. I'm trying to open files on the Samba > server from Open Office. The OO file browser won't let me access the > network directly, the way Konqueror does. > > So I've come to the conclusion that I need to mount the SAMBA shares in > my filesystem. Great in theory, difficult in practice. > > I've tried using the mount.cifs man pages, but they are difficult to > understand. > > The Redhat help FAQ's have useful suggestions, but it appears I can only > carry out the methods in their FAQ's as root. > > I can access the files through Konqueror. Which means I have to copy the > file from the server to the local machine. Then I can work on it, and > save it locally. After that I can save back to the server. This sort of > defeats the purpose of a central file store / server. > > I've also tried using NFS, but my workstation can't find the NFS server. > > How are people on this list going about solving this problem? > > Thanks for your help, > Bert Bert, Check out smb4k (http://smb4k.berlios.de/). It's been a while since I've used it, but I think it might do what you're looking for. I believe it's available in the Fedora Extras repository. I should mention, though, that smb4k is a KDE app. I never tried it in GNOME, so I do not know how will it would work with that desktop environment. David Whitmer Calvary Schools of Holland, Michigan From nils at breun.nl Mon Aug 21 13:53:17 2006 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:53:17 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] [Off-topic] booting imac In-Reply-To: <20060821133229.M20277@winonacotter.org> References: <1156093920.5299.13.camel@susey.bushpig> <44E89FB0.5060707@hosef.org> <1156132423.5299.37.camel@susey.bushpig> <20060821125507.M53571@winonacotter.org> <20060821133229.M20277@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <8980BDB3-1531-4C47-B5D6-9DBD4C0483E5@breun.nl> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Regardless of the OS, right click is just darn handy, maybe not as > much for > the OS, but the apps. Of course OSX is still pretty hot key > based. Simply > right clicking for Get Info is much less of a task than navigating > the menus > or hitting apple+i. I think right click is still very handy for > the OS as well. It depends totally on the GUI of the app. I think a app that needs a lot of right-clicking just has a badly designed interface. The options you want to access most should be right in front of you. And on a lot of OS X they are (at least it's working for me). A lot of Linux apps could learn a thing or two in this area. > Yeah, I saw the mighty mouse awhile back and was pumped. Still sad > to see it > isn't the default mouse included with new systems, they really rake > you over > the coals when it comes to purchase one. Actually it *is* the default mouse included with new systems. > A $15 optical mouse from computergeeks.com works perfect. Sure, I have a cheap Logitech optical mouse myself. Never use it though, the built-in trackpad with tap-dragging and two-finger scrolling enabled is just heavenly. :o) > I don't flame, I just add opinions :-) I'm pretty mello. OK, I just don't think Apple thinks their users are "too stupid" (as you put it) to use a multi-button mouse. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From henryhartley at westat.com Mon Aug 21 14:34:28 2006 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:34:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Talking to school about K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <20060819123009.57701.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320DB8C@MAILBE2.westat.com> Rob Owens wrote: >> >> The problem with shutting down eth1 on the server, as >> some have suggested, is that it will cut off internet >> access *and* all other network connectivity such as >> file shares, etc. This may not be a problem for you >> if your /home folders are not on a central server. It's more of a problem that that. We don't want to turn off network activity for ALL machines. We want to say, this group gets internet access, this other group does not. So, no, turning off eth1 on the server is not really much help. >> You could set up some rules on a school-wide firewall >> that would allow/disallow internet access to certain >> servers, without disrupting network share connections. >> CensorNet or IPCop have this feature built in (I >> can't remember which, but I tested both and one of >> them had that feature). I have had a Smoothwall firewall with DansGuardian on my home network in the past. We just moved and I was going to rebuild the firewall. I had heard about IPCop and what I read made it sound attractive so I thought I'd give it a try. Over the weekend, I installed IPCop on my home firewall box and it was so easy. We also installed it on a machine at the school and added three add-on packages - DansGuardian (CopPlus), LogSend, and BlockOutTraffic. The last of those seems to do exactly what we want, by IP address, which should be good enough. I was very impressed with how much easier these add-on packages are to install in IPCop. -- Henry From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Mon Aug 21 20:45:55 2006 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:45:55 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux workstation In-Reply-To: <20060821160017.AF23973471@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060821160017.AF23973471@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1156193156.2615.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi David, Thanks for that. I've just given it a try. This is the error I get, which is the same as trying to make FSTAB changes, or use autofs as suggested on the Redhat website. mount error 1 = Operation not permitted Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs) As I understand it, i would have to make mount executable by all users. Any suggestions? Thanks, Bert > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Bert Rolston > > To: K12OSN > > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 9:46:48 PM > > Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux workstation > > > > > Hey all, > > > > Thanks for the help last week. > > > > Now I've hit another snag. > > > > I use FC5 as my OS of choice. I'm trying to open files on the Samba > > server from Open Office. The OO file browser won't let me access the > > network directly, the way Konqueror does. > > > > So I've come to the conclusion that I need to mount the SAMBA shares in > > my filesystem. Great in theory, difficult in practice. > > > > I've tried using the mount.cifs man pages, but they are difficult to > > understand. > > > > The Redhat help FAQ's have useful suggestions, but it appears I can only > > carry out the methods in their FAQ's as root. > > > > I can access the files through Konqueror. Which means I have to copy the > > file from the server to the local machine. Then I can work on it, and > > save it locally. After that I can save back to the server. This sort of > > defeats the purpose of a central file store / server. > > > > I've also tried using NFS, but my workstation can't find the NFS server. > > > > How are people on this list going about solving this problem? > > > > Thanks for your help, > > Bert > > Bert, > > Check out smb4k (http://smb4k.berlios.de/). It's been a while since I've used it, but I think it might do what you're looking for. I believe it's available in the Fedora Extras repository. > > I should mention, though, that smb4k is a KDE app. I never tried it in GNOME, so I do not know how will it would work with that desktop environment. > > David Whitmer > Calvary Schools of Holland, Michigan > > From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Mon Aug 21 23:22:26 2006 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:22:26 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux workstation In-Reply-To: <20060821131246.1CEC3732B1@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060821131246.1CEC3732B1@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1156202547.2615.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Petre, Thanks for the welcome back. I've been following the list continuously since 2001. I've been studying business for the last two years. I've tried fusessh, and get this message "fuse: failed to exec fusermount: Permission denied" This happens on any folder based on the server. I'm setting up a server for my business, and have shares for different functional groups in the company. I've used Samba to force user and group on the share, files and directories in each share. For example user engineer (linux login disallowed), owns the engineer folder and all files. Through SAMBA I have force user/group = engineer. This ensures that anyone can log in as themselves, but all files in the engineer share are owned by engineer. By making each person a member of group engineer they can access the files and modify them as necessary. Global / world access is denied. This produces the SAMBA equivalent of drwxrwx--- linux permissions, as I understand it from the Samba 3 by example how-to. In Linux I have the perms set to drwxrwx---, engineer:engineer, with shell as nologin. So I guess my security is a bit too restrictive. So back to the drawing board, unless you can make some other suggestions. Thanks, Bert > 25. Re: Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux workstation (Petre Scheie) > ------------------------------ > > Message: 25 > Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:12:26 -0500 > From: Petre Scheie > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux workstation > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <44E9B13A.9070302 at maltzen.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hey Bert, good to see you back on the list again! > > As to your problem, sshfs is your friend. It allows you, as a non-root user, to mount > directories from remote machines over ssh; no NFS needed. The syntax is easy: > > sshfs remotehost:/path/to/desired/directory /localmountpoint > > /localmountpoint can be just a directory in your $HOME. After you mount this, you can > see the contents of the remote host right in /localmountpoint. And this works from a > thin client. It is COOL! Everything's transparent to your apps. You can run it safely > across the internet since it's all ssh. It uses fuse, which is the same component used > in LTSP 4.2's new improved Local Device Access. > > The package you want is sshfs-fuse (or is it fuse-sshfs? One or the other). Do a yum > install on it and you'll be on your way. > > Petre > > Bert Rolston wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > Thanks for the help last week. > > > > Now I've hit another snag. > > > > I use FC5 as my OS of choice. I'm trying to open files on the Samba > > server from Open Office. The OO file browser won't let me access the > > network directly, the way Konqueror does. > > > > So I've come to the conclusion that I need to mount the SAMBA shares in > > my filesystem. Great in theory, difficult in practice. > > > > I've tried using the mount.cifs man pages, but they are difficult to > > understand. > > > > The Redhat help FAQ's have useful suggestions, but it appears I can only > > carry out the methods in their FAQ's as root. > > > > I can access the files through Konqueror. Which means I have to copy the > > file from the server to the local machine. Then I can work on it, and > > save it locally. After that I can save back to the server. This sort of > > defeats the purpose of a central file store / server. > > > > I've also tried using NFS, but my workstation can't find the NFS server. > > > > How are people on this list going about solving this problem? > > > > Thanks for your help, > > Bert > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > End of K12OSN Digest, Vol 30, Issue 30 > ************************************** From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Aug 22 00:20:44 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:20:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] CUE.org (and NECC) Free and Open Source Software Session Submissions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Computer Using Educators (CUE.org) annual conference is March 1-3, 2007 in Palm Springs, CA. We have been asked to re-create our large Linux thin-client lab again this year, and will hold concurrent speaker sessions on Free and Open Source Software in the lab. The deadline for normal CUE applications for speaking sessions is September 4th. HOWEVER, speakers in our Open Source Lab for CUE will be handled outside of their normal submission process and should be made directly to me. If you have already submitted a proposal for a session at CUE that you would prefer be done in the lab, please let me know so that we can flag that. We have also been asked to provide a lab/speaker venue for the National Educational Computing Conference (NECC) in Atlanta next June. Those interested in speaking at NECC as part of our Open Source lab there should also contact me directly, and I will let you know the procedure for submitting proposals when you do. Both shows have expressed a great appreciation for the lab and will be including the speakers from our lab in their regular conference program. For my part, I am appreciative of the caliber of speakers that we have had, and thank those who have taken part. Please forward this message to anyone that you feel might want to take part in presenting on Free and Open Source software at either of these shows. Steve -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.K12OpenSource.com (Public Wiki) www.SupportBlogging.com (Public Wiki) From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Mon Aug 21 23:51:44 2006 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:51:44 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux workstation (Petre Scheie) In-Reply-To: <20060821131246.1CEC3732B1@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060821131246.1CEC3732B1@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1156204304.2615.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Petre and the rest of the list, Here's the other crazy part of the problem. I can access all of the shares by using KONQUEROR. As soon as I click on the SAMBA server it asks me for a login name and password. All is fine from that point on. The down side is Konqueror won't let me mount samba shares into my local FS. All I want it to start Open Office, GIMP and any other app that doesn't use Konqueror to browse the filesystem, then access files from the server as if they were on the local machine! Sad to say, but at this point in time it has been easier to access files on a SAMBA server using a W2K fat client. :-( Cheers, Bert > ------------------------------ > > Message: 25 > Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:12:26 -0500 > From: Petre Scheie > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux workstation > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <44E9B13A.9070302 at maltzen.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hey Bert, good to see you back on the list again! > > As to your problem, sshfs is your friend. It allows you, as a non-root user, to mount > directories from remote machines over ssh; no NFS needed. The syntax is easy: > > sshfs remotehost:/path/to/desired/directory /localmountpoint > > /localmountpoint can be just a directory in your $HOME. After you mount this, you can > see the contents of the remote host right in /localmountpoint. And this works from a > thin client. It is COOL! Everything's transparent to your apps. You can run it safely > across the internet since it's all ssh. It uses fuse, which is the same component used > in LTSP 4.2's new improved Local Device Access. > > The package you want is sshfs-fuse (or is it fuse-sshfs? One or the other). Do a yum > install on it and you'll be on your way. > > Petre > > Bert Rolston wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > Thanks for the help last week. > > > > Now I've hit another snag. > > > > I use FC5 as my OS of choice. I'm trying to open files on the Samba > > server from Open Office. The OO file browser won't let me access the > > network directly, the way Konqueror does. > > > > So I've come to the conclusion that I need to mount the SAMBA shares in > > my filesystem. Great in theory, difficult in practice. > > > > I've tried using the mount.cifs man pages, but they are difficult to > > understand. > > > > The Redhat help FAQ's have useful suggestions, but it appears I can only > > carry out the methods in their FAQ's as root. > > > > I can access the files through Konqueror. Which means I have to copy the > > file from the server to the local machine. Then I can work on it, and > > save it locally. After that I can save back to the server. This sort of > > defeats the purpose of a central file store / server. > > > > I've also tried using NFS, but my workstation can't find the NFS server. > > > > How are people on this list going about solving this problem? > > > > Thanks for your help, > > Bert > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > End of K12OSN Digest, Vol 30, Issue 30 > ************************************** From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 00:27:16 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux workstation In-Reply-To: <1156202547.2615.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060822002716.57561.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I believe for a user to use sshfs, he has to be a member of the "fuse" group. That's probably why you're getting the "permission denied" error. -Rob --- Bert Rolston wrote: > Hi Petre, > > Thanks for the welcome back. I've been following the > list continuously > since 2001. I've been studying business for the last > two years. > > I've tried fusessh, and get this message > > "fuse: failed to exec fusermount: Permission denied" > > This happens on any folder based on the server. > > I'm setting up a server for my business, and have > shares for different > functional groups in the company. > I've used Samba to force user and group on the > share, files and > directories in each share. > For example user engineer (linux login disallowed), > owns the engineer > folder and all files. Through SAMBA I have force > user/group = engineer. > This ensures that anyone can log in as themselves, > but all files in the > engineer share are owned by engineer. By making each > person a member of > group engineer they can access the files and modify > them as necessary. > Global / world access is denied. This produces the > SAMBA equivalent of > drwxrwx--- linux permissions, as I understand it > from the Samba 3 by > example how-to. > > In Linux I have the perms set to drwxrwx---, > engineer:engineer, with > shell as nologin. > > So I guess my security is a bit too restrictive. > > So back to the drawing board, unless you can make > some other > suggestions. > > Thanks, > Bert > > > > > 25. Re: Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux > workstation (Petre Scheie) > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 25 > > Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:12:26 -0500 > > From: Petre Scheie > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Mounting SAMBA shares on a > Linux workstation > > To: "Support list for open source software in > schools." > > > > Message-ID: <44E9B13A.9070302 at maltzen.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > > > Hey Bert, good to see you back on the list again! > > > > As to your problem, sshfs is your friend. It > allows you, as a non-root user, to mount > > directories from remote machines over ssh; no NFS > needed. The syntax is easy: > > > > sshfs remotehost:/path/to/desired/directory > /localmountpoint > > > > /localmountpoint can be just a directory in your > $HOME. After you mount this, you can > > see the contents of the remote host right in > /localmountpoint. And this works from a > > thin client. It is COOL! Everything's > transparent to your apps. You can run it safely > > across the internet since it's all ssh. It uses > fuse, which is the same component used > > in LTSP 4.2's new improved Local Device Access. > > > > The package you want is sshfs-fuse (or is it > fuse-sshfs? One or the other). Do a yum > > install on it and you'll be on your way. > > > > Petre > > > > Bert Rolston wrote: > > > Hey all, > > > > > > Thanks for the help last week. > > > > > > Now I've hit another snag. > > > > > > I use FC5 as my OS of choice. I'm trying to open > files on the Samba > > > server from Open Office. The OO file browser > won't let me access the > > > network directly, the way Konqueror does. > > > > > > So I've come to the conclusion that I need to > mount the SAMBA shares in > > > my filesystem. Great in theory, difficult in > practice. > > > > > > I've tried using the mount.cifs man pages, but > they are difficult to > > > understand. > > > > > > The Redhat help FAQ's have useful suggestions, > but it appears I can only > > > carry out the methods in their FAQ's as root. > > > > > > I can access the files through Konqueror. Which > means I have to copy the > > > file from the server to the local machine. Then > I can work on it, and > > > save it locally. After that I can save back to > the server. This sort of > > > defeats the purpose of a central file store / > server. > > > > > > I've also tried using NFS, but my workstation > can't find the NFS server. > > > > > > How are people on this list going about solving > this problem? > > > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > Bert > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > End of K12OSN Digest, Vol 30, Issue 30 > > ************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 00:35:25 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux workstation In-Reply-To: <1156124809.2514.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060822003525.75975.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You may need to supply logon credentials in your mount request. You can create a credentials.txt file like this: username=bert password=12345 and in /etc/fstab have something like this: ... -t cifs -o credentials=/home/bert/credentials.txt ... -Rob --- Bert Rolston wrote: > Hey all, > > Thanks for the help last week. > > Now I've hit another snag. > > I use FC5 as my OS of choice. I'm trying to open > files on the Samba > server from Open Office. The OO file browser won't > let me access the > network directly, the way Konqueror does. > > So I've come to the conclusion that I need to mount > the SAMBA shares in > my filesystem. Great in theory, difficult in > practice. > > I've tried using the mount.cifs man pages, but they > are difficult to > understand. > > The Redhat help FAQ's have useful suggestions, but > it appears I can only > carry out the methods in their FAQ's as root. > > I can access the files through Konqueror. Which > means I have to copy the > file from the server to the local machine. Then I > can work on it, and > save it locally. After that I can save back to the > server. This sort of > defeats the purpose of a central file store / > server. > > I've also tried using NFS, but my workstation can't > find the NFS server. > > How are people on this list going about solving this > problem? > > Thanks for your help, > Bert > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From petre at maltzen.net Tue Aug 22 02:16:57 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:16:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux workstation In-Reply-To: <20060822002716.57561.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060822002716.57561.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44EA6919.90407@maltzen.net> Ah, yes, perhaps. On my 5.0 server, there are no members in the fuse group, but /usr/bin/fusermount permissions are set to -rwsr-xr-x; notice the sticky bit set for the owner, which is root. I recall that Eric said he changed it to that from whatever the default was to make the Local Device Access easier to get going, negating the need to add users to the fuse group. So, Bert, either add users to the fuse group or make sure /usr/bin/fusermount is setuid root. Petre Rob Owens wrote: > I believe for a user to use sshfs, he has to be a > member of the "fuse" group. That's probably why > you're getting the "permission denied" error. > > -Rob > > --- Bert Rolston wrote: > >> Hi Petre, >> >> Thanks for the welcome back. I've been following the >> list continuously >> since 2001. I've been studying business for the last >> two years. >> >> I've tried fusessh, and get this message >> >> "fuse: failed to exec fusermount: Permission denied" >> >> This happens on any folder based on the server. >> >> I'm setting up a server for my business, and have >> shares for different >> functional groups in the company. >> I've used Samba to force user and group on the >> share, files and >> directories in each share. >> For example user engineer (linux login disallowed), >> owns the engineer >> folder and all files. Through SAMBA I have force >> user/group = engineer. >> This ensures that anyone can log in as themselves, >> but all files in the >> engineer share are owned by engineer. By making each >> person a member of >> group engineer they can access the files and modify >> them as necessary. >> Global / world access is denied. This produces the >> SAMBA equivalent of >> drwxrwx--- linux permissions, as I understand it >> from the Samba 3 by >> example how-to. >> >> In Linux I have the perms set to drwxrwx---, >> engineer:engineer, with >> shell as nologin. >> >> So I guess my security is a bit too restrictive. >> >> So back to the drawing board, unless you can make >> some other >> suggestions. >> >> Thanks, >> Bert >> >> >> >>> 25. Re: Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux >> workstation (Petre Scheie) >> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 25 >>> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:12:26 -0500 >>> From: Petre Scheie >>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Mounting SAMBA shares on a >> Linux workstation >>> To: "Support list for open source software in >> schools." >>> >>> Message-ID: <44E9B13A.9070302 at maltzen.net> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; >> format=flowed >>> Hey Bert, good to see you back on the list again! >>> >>> As to your problem, sshfs is your friend. It >> allows you, as a non-root user, to mount >>> directories from remote machines over ssh; no NFS >> needed. The syntax is easy: >>> sshfs remotehost:/path/to/desired/directory >> /localmountpoint >>> /localmountpoint can be just a directory in your >> $HOME. After you mount this, you can >>> see the contents of the remote host right in >> /localmountpoint. And this works from a >>> thin client. It is COOL! Everything's >> transparent to your apps. You can run it safely >>> across the internet since it's all ssh. It uses >> fuse, which is the same component used >>> in LTSP 4.2's new improved Local Device Access. >>> >>> The package you want is sshfs-fuse (or is it >> fuse-sshfs? One or the other). Do a yum >>> install on it and you'll be on your way. >>> >>> Petre >>> >>> Bert Rolston wrote: >>>> Hey all, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the help last week. >>>> >>>> Now I've hit another snag. >>>> >>>> I use FC5 as my OS of choice. I'm trying to open >> files on the Samba >>>> server from Open Office. The OO file browser >> won't let me access the >>>> network directly, the way Konqueror does. >>>> >>>> So I've come to the conclusion that I need to >> mount the SAMBA shares in >>>> my filesystem. Great in theory, difficult in >> practice. >>>> I've tried using the mount.cifs man pages, but >> they are difficult to >>>> understand. >>>> >>>> The Redhat help FAQ's have useful suggestions, >> but it appears I can only >>>> carry out the methods in their FAQ's as root. >>>> >>>> I can access the files through Konqueror. Which >> means I have to copy the >>>> file from the server to the local machine. Then >> I can work on it, and >>>> save it locally. After that I can save back to >> the server. This sort of >>>> defeats the purpose of a central file store / >> server. >>>> I've also tried using NFS, but my workstation >> can't find the NFS server. >>>> How are people on this list going about solving >> this problem? >>>> Thanks for your help, >>>> Bert >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> >>> End of K12OSN Digest, Vol 30, Issue 30 >>> ************************************** >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dackerman at apnts.org Tue Aug 22 08:11:44 2006 From: dackerman at apnts.org (David Ackerman) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:11:44 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with memory on client Message-ID: <000001c6c5c2$9d100d40$4365a8c0@DAGATEWAY> We have some Neoware Eon 3000 clients we want to deploy at our school. Some work with K12ltsp and some do not. What we found is that those with 64 mb ram will boot from K12ltsp server and those with only 32 mb will not get past the login screen (which just reappears after user attempts to login). The 32 mb ram ones work with Ubuntu and LTSP 4.2 There must be some option to get the ones with lower ram to boot since they worked with Ubuntu before. 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What we found is that those with 64 mb > ram will boot from K12ltsp server and those with only 32 mb will not get > past the login screen (which just reappears after user attempts to login). > The 32 mb ram ones work with Ubuntu and LTSP 4.2 > > There must be some option to get the ones with lower ram to boot since they > worked with Ubuntu before. We cannot very easily get more ram for these, > and they are a nice option for us. > use swap option in lts.conf to add swap memory to these terminals. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 10:31:32 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux workstation In-Reply-To: <1156193156.2615.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060822103132.99644.qmail@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > From: Bert Rolston > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 4:45:55 PM > Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux workstation > > Hi David, > > Thanks for that. I've just given it a try. > > This is the error I get, which is the same as trying to make FSTAB > changes, or use autofs as suggested on the Redhat website. > > mount error 1 = Operation not permitted > Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs) > > As I understand it, i would have to make mount executable by all users. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > Bert > Bert, Here are some links that might help you with smb4k. smb4k manual: http://smb4k.berlios.de/handbook/index.html direct to its FAQ regarding (un)mounting shares via smb4k: http://smb4k.berlios.de/handbook/faq_mounting_unmounting.html Anyway, while searching, I came across the following: http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2006-August/123662.html I looks like there's some problem right now with mounting via cifs and samba 3.0.23a. I don't know wither 3.0.23b corrects this. Perhaps instead mounting via smbfs would work? In smb4k's manual, it says that it will automatically use cifs if smbmount & smbumount are unavailable. Maybe try installing this via yum? David Whitmer Calvary Schools of Holland, Michigan From goblin at scooter.co.nz Tue Aug 22 12:33:28 2006 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (mrgoblin) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:33:28 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux workstation (Petre Scheie) In-Reply-To: <1156204304.2615.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060821131246.1CEC3732B1@hormel.redhat.com> <1156204304.2615.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44EAF998.8020404@scooter.co.nz> Bert Rolston wrote: > Hi Petre and the rest of the list, > > Here's the other crazy part of the problem. > > I can access all of the shares by using KONQUEROR. As soon as I click on > the SAMBA server it asks me for a login name and password. All is fine > from that point on. > The down side is Konqueror won't let me mount samba shares into my local > FS. Forgive me if I've missed any posts on this thread but isn't it just a matter of doing the following. (all on one line of course) mount -t smbfs -o username=user,password=secret //servername/share /mnt/mountpoint/ John From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Aug 22 13:11:49 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:11:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux workstation In-Reply-To: <1156193156.2615.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060821160017.AF23973471@hormel.redhat.com> <1156193156.2615.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060822130352.M23961@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:45:55 +1200, Bert Rolston wrote > Hi David, > > Thanks for that. I've just given it a try. > > This is the error I get, which is the same as trying to make FSTAB > changes, or use autofs as suggested on the Redhat website. > > mount error 1 = Operation not permitted > Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs) > > As I understand it, i would have to make mount executable by all users. > > Any suggestions? Not sure if this will help, but I have a couple of SAMBA shares set to automount on my Kubuntu Desktop. I don't quite understand all of the switches and such in /etc/fstab as I used Kubuntu's Disk & Filesystems GUI to set it up. However, the following code does work, and does autologin and mount my SAMBA shares at login to be available via my apps without further interaction. So I will post the 2 lines from my /etc/fstab for you to look at. \134\134jmc\134jmcdata /jmcdata smbfs ,uid=0,gid=0,auto,rw,nouser,credentials=/etc/fstab_smb_credentials_3 0 0 \134\134file\134Public /home/jim/.cxoffice/win98/drive_c/Public smbfs ,uid=0,gid=0,auto,rw,nouser,credentials=/etc/fstab_smb_credentials_4 0 0 Here is the format of the info in the "/etc/fstab_smb_credentials_x" file: username = jim password = secret It appears as though you need to have a separate credentials file for each set of username/password. I do not understand what the 134 in \134\134jmc\134jmcdata stands for. Both servers are in the workgroup "Workgroup", and the name of the first is "JMC" and the second "File", and the shared directories are "JMCData" and "Public" respectively. The only reason the second is mounted under the .cxoffice folder in my /home directory is for availability to apps under Cross Over Office. Hopefully this will give you enough info to get yours working. Sorry I didn't follow this post sooner, I hope this helps. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From timothy.hart at gmail.com Tue Aug 22 13:33:59 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:33:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Weird Video Message-ID: <464c38cc0608220633l26640d6dsc8fdf88c9f87b76@mail.gmail.com> With teachers coming back and putting their rooms back together I am finally able to test the classroom K12LTSP clients thoroughly. They are all different old boxes. On a lot of them I am now getting garbled video and failed xstartups. They seemed to have worked in K12LTSP 4. I recently updated to 5. Could this just be that I need to tell the server what each of these "non working" graphics card is so it will send the right settings? Anyone else experience similar problems? Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Tue Aug 22 13:44:05 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:44:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Weird Video In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0608220633l26640d6dsc8fdf88c9f87b76@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0608220633l26640d6dsc8fdf88c9f87b76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44EB0A25.9010900@maltzen.net> This is an irresponsible, anecdotal reply, but it seems to me that as X.org has evolved, I've had to specify VESA for the video for more and more of my older machines. I say this is irresponsible because I haven't actually documented the pattern. It just seems that back in the last Xfree86 days, K12LTSP 3.x, most of my old machines, which tended to have old video cards with just 2MB of RAM, worked without any special configuration. Those same machines sometimes have had difficulty getting X to start with later versions of K12LTSP using X.org. In most cases, setting the xserver to VESA fixed the problem, although sometimes a few more tweaks like memory size were necessary. The i810 video chipset is a common culprit; there's a lot of discussion in the archives about how to get it working. Petre Timothy Hart wrote: > With teachers coming back and putting their rooms back together I am > finally > able to test the classroom K12LTSP clients thoroughly. > They are all different old boxes. On a lot of them I am now getting garbled > video and failed xstartups. They seemed to have worked in K12LTSP 4. I > recently updated to 5. Could this just be that I need to tell the server > what each of these "non working" graphics card is so it will send the right > settings? Anyone else experience similar problems? > > Tim > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jam at mcquil.com Tue Aug 22 14:17:42 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:17:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Weird Video In-Reply-To: <44EB0A25.9010900@maltzen.net> References: <464c38cc0608220633l26640d6dsc8fdf88c9f87b76@mail.gmail.com> <44EB0A25.9010900@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44EB1206.1090907@McQuil.com> Petre, I think there's 2 issues: 1) Prior to LTSP-4.2 (k12ltsp-5.0), we had both X.org AND a much older xfree86 v3.3.6. The 'vidlist' file pointed to the xfree86 3.3.6 drivers for cards like the s3 and s3v. In LTSP-4.2 we dropped the older stuff because it was quite a bit of overhead to have both. Unfortunately, the drivers in Xfree86 4.x and X.org still aren't very good for the s3 cards. 2) There seems to be some new bugs in Xorg for the i810 chipsets. I haven't had a chance to dig in and see what's going on there. For #1, I hope that support for s3 cards will improve over time. For #2, I'm certain that i810 support will be fixed, if it's not already. In fact, with Keith Packard working at Intel now, the quality of the drivers for Intel chipsets will definitely be getting a lot better. Jim. Petre Scheie wrote: > This is an irresponsible, anecdotal reply, but it seems to me that as > X.org has evolved, I've had to specify VESA for the video for more and > more of my older machines. I say this is irresponsible because I > haven't actually documented the pattern. It just seems that back in > the last Xfree86 days, K12LTSP 3.x, most of my old machines, which > tended to have old video cards with just 2MB of RAM, worked without > any special configuration. Those same machines sometimes have had > difficulty getting X to start with later versions of K12LTSP using > X.org. In most cases, setting the xserver to VESA fixed the problem, > although sometimes a few more tweaks like memory size were necessary. > The i810 video chipset is a common culprit; there's a lot of > discussion in the archives about how to get it working. > > Petre > > Timothy Hart wrote: >> With teachers coming back and putting their rooms back together I am >> finally >> able to test the classroom K12LTSP clients thoroughly. >> They are all different old boxes. On a lot of them I am now getting >> garbled >> video and failed xstartups. They seemed to have worked in K12LTSP 4. I >> recently updated to 5. Could this just be that I need to tell the server >> what each of these "non working" graphics card is so it will send the >> right >> settings? Anyone else experience similar problems? >> >> Tim >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From barry at yellowdog.com Tue Aug 22 14:39:04 2006 From: barry at yellowdog.com (Barry Solof) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:39:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound Issues In-Reply-To: <1155850566.13530.16.camel@localhost> References: <44E4A182.80406@yellowdog.com> <1155835727.13530.14.camel@localhost> <44E4CFE4.4000307@yellowdog.com> <1155850566.13530.16.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <44EB1708.1040608@yellowdog.com> Hi, Seem there is another roadblock. Once again I've done a great deal of googling but have not found an appropriate solution. Installed the gconf-editor and started it as root. Navigated to the audiosink value and changed the value to esdsink. Logged the terminal in but didn't get sound so I rebooted the server and tried again. Still no sound. Went back into gconf-editor and to the audiosink value. It now has the tag "This key is not writeable." on it. I've tried unsetting it (which seems to have reset it to its default value) but it will not allow me to edit it anymore. Every attempt to edit it comes up with a read only error. Again, it is doing this to the root user. Any ideas on what to do? Many thanks for any and all suggestions. Barry Gideon Romm wrote: > 1. log in as a user with "sudo" privileges and run "sudo gconf-editor" > OR log in and "su" to root (NOTE: "su" not "su -") and run > "gconf-editor" > 2. Go to: system > gstreamer > 0.10 > default > 3. change the audiosink value to: "esdsink" and hit enter > 4. right click on that field and select "Set as Mandatory" > > Next time the user logs in, you should get sound > > HTH, > > -Gideon > > > On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 16:21 -0400, Barry Solof wrote: > >> Hi Gideon, >> >> Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it. >> >> The package has been installed successfully and the lts.conf has been >> modified for "snd-cs4236". >> >> The terminal now loads the new drivers when booting and you can hear the >> speakers click "on" as the drivers load. Yet there still isn't any >> sound in Gnome. When attempting to run the volume control there is this >> error message: "no volume control gstreamer plugins and/or devices found". >> >> A google search has not helped with a fix. Do you have any ideas where >> to start looking for clues? >> >> Many thanks, >> Barry >> >> Gideon Romm wrote: >> >>> It could be that there is no OSS driver for your sound card on the 2.6 >>> kernel. If this is the case, you can try using my esd+alsa package for >>> LTSP. Just install it, and then specify the sound module to be: >>> >>> SMODULE_01 = "snd-cs4236" >>> >>> here's a link to the package for download: >>> >>> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 >>> >>> HTH, >>> >>> -Gideon >>> >>> On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 13:04 -0400, Barry Solof wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I'm trying to finish an install of a 5.0.0 K12ltsp server and it is >>>> *almost* ready. Unfortunately, trying to get sound on the terminals has >>>> been very frustrating. I've tried countless Google searches and changed >>>> a bunch of things in lts.conf but still can't get sound working. >>>> >>>> >>>> The server: a Dell Poweredge with dual 933 processors, 2 gig ram, scsi >>>> drives. All yum updates applied. >>>> The terminals: Dell GXa and GX1 computers with built in CS4236B sound cards. >>>> >>>> lts.conf has the line: >>>> >>>> SMODULE_01 = "cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1" >>>> >>>> >>>> When the terminals boot, you'll see a line that modprobe has found a >>>> cs4236b device at io=0x534 irq=5 and dma=1. Yet the next line reads >>>> "probe of 01:01:00 failed with and error code of -16". >>>> >>>> Is the cs4232 driver the correct one for the cs4236b? Is there >>>> something else that needs to be configured or updated to get the sound >>>> to work? >>>> >>>> Otherwise, the rest of the system seems to be running very well. >>>> Programs launch quickly and run rather nicely. The ability to access >>>> floppies and cds by default is *very* nice. >>>> >>>> All help and ideas is greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> Many thanks, >>>> Barry >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Aug 22 16:53:53 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:53:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] "Wikis in Education" Live Interview Thursday Evening; "Moodle" Recorded Interview Available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This Thursday evening, at 5:00pm Pacific Time, I will be interviewing Victoria Davis and Adam Frey on "Wikis--What Are They, and Why Use Them in Education?" Vicky is the technology teacher at Westwood School in Georgia and a pioneer in the use of wikis in education (see http://westwood.wikispaces.com), and Adam is the co-founder of the wiki hosting company Wikispaces (www.wikispaces.com). The interview will be broadcast live by "Skypecast," meaning that you can listen to the interview by using Skype (www.skype.com) and also participate in the Q & A session at the end. The Skypecast link is: https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=28336 You can also join a live online chat during the interview by pointing your web browser to http://www.webcastacademy.net/chat. (Thanks to the folks at EducationBridges for this service and their great support.) If you have questions for Vicky or Adam that you hope I will address in the interiew, you can leave them on our wiki at http://k12opensource.wikispaces.com/Wikis+Questions. Last week's interview with Michelle Moore on the Open Source LMS (learning management system) Moodle is available to listen to on the web or download at either www.K12OpenSource.com/Interview or www.EdTechLive.com. At EdTechLive.com you can also leave suggestions for future interviews, or find the following recent interviews: * Mike Huffman and Laura Taylor on "Indiana's ACCESS Program: Affordable Classroom Computers for Every Secondary Student" * Hilton Theunissen on the Shuttleworth Foundation's tuXlab program in South Africa. * Daniel Howard, William Fragakis, and Shawn Adams on "Atlanta Public Schools' Linux Thin Client Project" * Jim McQuillan and Eric Harrison on "LTSP, K12LTSP, and Linux Thin Client for Schools" * Dr. David Thornburg on "Free and Open Source Software in Education" Thank you, Steve -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.K12OpenSource.com (Public Wiki) www.SupportBlogging.com (Public Wiki) From robark at gmail.com Tue Aug 22 17:06:45 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:06:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Weird Video In-Reply-To: <44EB1206.1090907@McQuil.com> References: <464c38cc0608220633l26640d6dsc8fdf88c9f87b76@mail.gmail.com> <44EB0A25.9010900@maltzen.net> <44EB1206.1090907@McQuil.com> Message-ID: On 8/22/06, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > Petre, > > I think there's 2 issues: > > 1) Prior to LTSP-4.2 (k12ltsp-5.0), we had both X.org AND a much older > xfree86 v3.3.6. The 'vidlist' file pointed to the xfree86 3.3.6 > drivers for > cards like the s3 and s3v. In LTSP-4.2 we dropped the older stuff > because > it was quite a bit of overhead to have both. Unfortunately, the > drivers in > Xfree86 4.x and X.org still aren't very good for the s3 cards. > > 2) There seems to be some new bugs in Xorg for the i810 chipsets. I > haven't > had a chance to dig in and see what's going on there. > > For #1, I hope that support for s3 cards will improve over time. > > For #2, I'm certain that i810 support will be fixed, if it's not > already. In fact, with Keith Packard working at Intel now, the quality > of the drivers for Intel chipsets will definitely be getting a lot better. Yes, it's nice to have Keith working for Intel. I'm sure he had something to do with this http://intellinuxgraphics.org/ Jim. > > > > Petre Scheie wrote: > > This is an irresponsible, anecdotal reply, but it seems to me that as > > X.org has evolved, I've had to specify VESA for the video for more and > > more of my older machines. I say this is irresponsible because I > > haven't actually documented the pattern. It just seems that back in > > the last Xfree86 days, K12LTSP 3.x, most of my old machines, which > > tended to have old video cards with just 2MB of RAM, worked without > > any special configuration. Those same machines sometimes have had > > difficulty getting X to start with later versions of K12LTSP using > > X.org. In most cases, setting the xserver to VESA fixed the problem, > > although sometimes a few more tweaks like memory size were necessary. > > The i810 video chipset is a common culprit; there's a lot of > > discussion in the archives about how to get it working. > > > > Petre > > > > Timothy Hart wrote: > >> With teachers coming back and putting their rooms back together I am > >> finally > >> able to test the classroom K12LTSP clients thoroughly. > >> They are all different old boxes. On a lot of them I am now getting > >> garbled > >> video and failed xstartups. They seemed to have worked in K12LTSP 4. I > >> recently updated to 5. Could this just be that I need to tell the > server > >> what each of these "non working" graphics card is so it will send the > >> right > >> settings? Anyone else experience similar problems? > >> > >> Tim > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here's what I get: (On Server's /var/messages during the bootup of a client): Aug 22 13:38:45 vanvuren-ltsp dhcpd: dhcpd startup succeeded Aug 22 13:43:34 vanvuren-ltsp dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:17:08:5e:6c:ee via eth1 Aug 22 13:43:35 vanvuren-ltsp dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.247 to 00:17:08:5e:6c:ee via eth1 Aug 22 13:43:36 vanvuren-ltsp dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.247 (192.168.0.254) from 00:17:08:5e:6c:ee via eth1 Aug 22 13:43:36 vanvuren-ltsp dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.247 to 00:17:08:5e:6c:ee via eth1 Aug 22 17:43:36 vanvuren-ltsp in.tftpd[20527]: tftp: client does not accept options Aug 22 13:43:40 vanvuren-ltsp dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:17:08:5e:6c:ee via eth1 Aug 22 13:43:41 vanvuren-ltsp dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.249 to 00:17:08:5e:6c:ee via eth1 Aug 22 13:43:44 vanvuren-ltsp dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:17:08:5e:6c:ee via eth1 Aug 22 13:43:44 vanvuren-ltsp dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.249 to 00:17:08:5e:6c:ee via eth1 Aug 22 13:43:52 vanvuren-ltsp dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:17:08:5e:6c:ee via eth1 Aug 22 13:43:52 vanvuren-ltsp dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.249 to 00:17:08:5e:6c:ee via eth1 Aug 22 13:44:08 vanvuren-ltsp dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:17:08:5e:6c:ee via eth1 Aug 22 13:44:08 vanvuren-ltsp dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.249 to 00:17:08:5e:6c:ee via eth1 The client boots "halfway" up, but then stalls and gives the following error: Error! dhcpd failed! Kernel Panic - Not syncing. Attempted to kill init! The client has a via-rhine network card, and does start to boot via PXE quite happily. Any suggestions, or other places I can look for information? Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From petre at maltzen.net Tue Aug 22 19:26:02 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:26:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: bug in /sbin/sort? Message-ID: <44EB5A4A.8060305@maltzen.net> The sort utility (/bin/sort) on my K12LTSP 5 box (FC5) isn't working properly. When I type ls -l |sort +4n I get sort: open failed: +4n: No such file or directory rather than a list of files sorted by their size. It works correctly on my 4.2 (FC4) box, and various other linux & unix boxen, just not on this FC5 box. I don't have any other FC5 boxes to test. Anyone else seeing this? Petre From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Tue Aug 22 19:31:20 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:31:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: bug in /sbin/sort? In-Reply-To: <44EB5A4A.8060305@maltzen.net> References: <44EB5A4A.8060305@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44EB5B88.5050300@saskforestcentre.ca> Try ls -l | sort --key=4n I think it does the same thing. I observe the same behaviour you do. Angus Carr. Petre Scheie wrote: > The sort utility (/bin/sort) on my K12LTSP 5 box (FC5) isn't working > properly. When I type > > ls -l |sort +4n > > I get > > sort: open failed: +4n: No such file or directory > > rather than a list of files sorted by their size. It works correctly > on my 4.2 (FC4) box, and various other linux & unix boxen, just not on > this FC5 box. I don't have any other FC5 boxes to test. Anyone else > seeing this? > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Aug 22 19:32:01 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:32:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: bug in /sbin/sort? In-Reply-To: <44EB5A4A.8060305@maltzen.net> References: <44EB5A4A.8060305@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20060822193024.M10610@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:26:02 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote > The sort utility (/bin/sort) on my K12LTSP 5 box (FC5) isn't working > properly. When I type > > ls -l |sort +4n > > I get > > sort: open failed: +4n: No such file or directory > > rather than a list of files sorted by their size. It works > correctly on my 4.2 (FC4) box, and various other linux & unix boxen, > just not on this FC5 box. I don't have any other FC5 boxes to test. > Anyone else seeing this? I get the same error. What does the "+4n" signify? If I do a "ls -l |sort -n" it works. And I don't see in "sort --help" of what +4n would do. Is it that there is no files matching the criteria you are passing sort? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Tue Aug 22 19:32:08 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:32:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: bug in /sbin/sort? In-Reply-To: <44EB5A4A.8060305@maltzen.net> References: <44EB5A4A.8060305@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44EB5BB8.9090706@McQuil.com> Petre, Dunno about bugs with sort, but why not just use the '-S' option to ls ? ls -l -S or ls -lS Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Petre Scheie wrote: > The sort utility (/bin/sort) on my K12LTSP 5 box (FC5) isn't working > properly. When I type > > ls -l |sort +4n > > I get > > sort: open failed: +4n: No such file or directory > > rather than a list of files sorted by their size. It works correctly > on my 4.2 (FC4) box, and various other linux & unix boxen, just not on > this FC5 box. I don't have any other FC5 boxes to test. Anyone else > seeing this? > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Aug 22 19:36:58 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:36:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: bug in /sbin/sort? In-Reply-To: <44EB5B88.5050300@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <44EB5A4A.8060305@maltzen.net> <44EB5B88.5050300@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <20060822193426.M65834@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:31:20 -0600, Angus Carr wrote > Try > ls -l | sort --key=4n > > I think it does the same thing. I observe the same behaviour you do. Performing "ls -l | sort --key=5n" worked for me and provided a similar sort order as the other command. Using 4n did not sort by file size. It appears that with this method you need to use 5n to get to the file size column. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Aug 22 19:39:47 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:39:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: bug in /sbin/sort? In-Reply-To: <44EB5BB8.9090706@McQuil.com> References: <44EB5A4A.8060305@maltzen.net> <44EB5BB8.9090706@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <20060822193844.M20012@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:32:08 -0400, Jim McQuillan wrote > Petre, > > Dunno about bugs with sort, but why not just use the '-S' option to > ls ? > > ls -l -S Not sure if it matters, but this did result in a reverse order of the Petre's command. Changing this to "ls -l -S -r" or "ls -lSr" shows results in the same order. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Tue Aug 22 19:53:37 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:53:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New HP clients kernel panic... In-Reply-To: <49142.10.10.5.20.1156269114.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <49142.10.10.5.20.1156269114.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1156276417.13795.434.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Tue, 2006-08-22 at 13:51 -0400, Shawn Powers wrote: > I have a bunch of HP t5125 thin clients, and for some reason I can't get > them to boot from my new 5.0.0 server. Other clients boot fine, but > partway through the boot process, I get errors. The server is freshly > updated. Here's what I get: > Error! dhcpd failed! Check the server logs for this error. Since DHCPD on the server _was_ working enough to send out the initial IP address and then the PXE boot kernel and then the main kernel. > > Kernel Panic - Not syncing. Attempted to kill init! > > > The client has a via-rhine network card, and does start to boot via PXE > quite happily. Any suggestions, or other places I can look for > information? I have about 2100 of these about to get installed (I have tested functionality on 1 and it worked flawlessly - sound and all) so any _issues_ I am very interested in :) > > Thanks, > -Shawn > > -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Petre Jim McQuillan wrote: > Petre, > > Dunno about bugs with sort, but why not just use the '-S' option to ls ? > > ls -l -S > > or > > ls -lS > > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > Petre Scheie wrote: >> The sort utility (/bin/sort) on my K12LTSP 5 box (FC5) isn't working >> properly. When I type >> >> ls -l |sort +4n >> >> I get >> >> sort: open failed: +4n: No such file or directory >> >> rather than a list of files sorted by their size. It works correctly >> on my 4.2 (FC4) box, and various other linux & unix boxen, just not on >> this FC5 box. I don't have any other FC5 boxes to test. Anyone else >> seeing this? >> >> Petre >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dpalmerjr at gmail.com Tue Aug 22 20:43:19 2006 From: dpalmerjr at gmail.com (Darryl Palmer) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:43:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: bug in /sbin/sort? In-Reply-To: <44EB6602.9080209@maltzen.net> References: <44EB5A4A.8060305@maltzen.net> <44EB5BB8.9090706@McQuil.com> <44EB6602.9080209@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Sort has indeed changed. The problem is that if you say 'sort +4n', you can have a file named '+4n' on some POSIX systems. 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URL: From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 22:57:41 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux workstation (Petre Scheie) In-Reply-To: <44EAF998.8020404@scooter.co.nz> Message-ID: <20060822225741.82619.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For newer windows file servers (maybe 2000 and later?) you need to specify "-t cifs" instead of "-t smbfs". Cifs is Microsoft's new filesharing specification. Another peculiarity of the Cifs system is that you need to provide credentials in order to see the list of available file shares. The older system let you see the list w/o providing credentials, and only required the credentials if you actually wanted to mount one of those shares. -Rob --- mrgoblin wrote: > mount -t smbfs -o username=user,password=secret > //servername/share > /mnt/mountpoint/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Aug 23 00:53:08 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:53:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed Message-ID: <44EBA6F4.2030305@elp.rr.com> I'm running K12LTSP FC5 in a home brew server that has an AMD 1ghz 32 bit processor and 1.5 gig of RAM. I have been trying to install MPlayer in my server for several days and I'm constantly running into version and missing file problems. It also seems that every time I download an rpm file which I thought should have everything needed to make this work I've been proved wrong. Can someone give me an exact listing of which files and versions I need to use to get this critter up and running? Where to find these files would be extremely helpful also. Thanks in advance Pat From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Aug 23 01:22:43 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:22:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New HP clients kernel panic... In-Reply-To: <1156276417.13795.434.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <49142.10.10.5.20.1156269114.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <1156276417.13795.434.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <739E11C0-4803-43FA-A832-D80942E07C1E@inlandlakes.org> On Aug 22, 2006, at 3:53 PM, James P. Kinney III wrote: > Check the server logs for this error. Since DHCPD on the server _was_ > working enough to send out the initial IP address and then the PXE > boot > kernel and then the main kernel. I don't see the error anywhere in the logs (I'm not sure where to look other than /var/log/messages). The only non-standard thing on the server install is that I switched eth0 and eth1 around from what the installer did by default. (ie, I made eth0 public and eth1 private). I didn't find anything else to change in the config files regarding eth0 or eth1, and other clients boot fine. Perhaps there is something I should change? (On older versions I would have to tell dhcpd what interface to run on, but it's smart in this release and only runs on the interface with IP numbers matching the dhcpd config) I'm really scratching my head with this one... It booted OK from a 4.0.2 server (although the video card was detected, but that's a minor issue). I might try installing a server from scratch, and seeing if it boots up tomorrow on the new server. Reinstalling on the server in question would really be a pain in the butt though... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org Homepage: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org Personal Website: http://www.brainofshawn.com ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From caldodge at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 01:28:26 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 19:28:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed In-Reply-To: <44EBA6F4.2030305@elp.rr.com> References: <44EBA6F4.2030305@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0608221828y731eb74br62e151069bfde9e7@mail.gmail.com> On 8/22/06, John P. Conlon wrote: > I'm running K12LTSP FC5 in a home brew server that has an AMD 1ghz 32 > bit processor and 1.5 gig of RAM. > > I have been trying to install MPlayer in my server for several days and > I'm constantly running into version and missing file problems. It also > seems that every time I download an rpm file which I thought should have > everything needed to make this work I've been proved wrong. > > Can someone give me an exact listing of which files and versions I need > to use to get this critter up and running? Where to find these files > would be extremely helpful also. Use the ATrpms repo and yum. Here's my ATrpms repo file (in /etc/yum.repos.d/at.repo): [at-stable] name=ATrpms for Fedora Core $releasever stable baseurl=http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/download.atrpms.net/fc$releasever-$basearch/atrpms/stable enabled=0 gpgkey=http://atrpms.net/RPM-GPG-KEY.atrpms gpgcheck=1 Create that repo file, then run "yum -y install mplayer". Calvin From caldodge at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 01:29:34 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 19:29:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed In-Reply-To: <44EBA6F4.2030305@elp.rr.com> References: <44EBA6F4.2030305@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0608221829m1997a93agf02ca4c6c9a47652@mail.gmail.com> Also from ATrpms - install "w32codec" (Windows codecs - allows you to play most file formats, like WMV). Calvin From karisue at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 02:05:29 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:05:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Projector Message-ID: Do any of you sysadmins have preferences re: LCD projectors? I need to buy one and am wondering if anyone can recommend a model that is affordable and basic. Nothing fancy necessary. FYI I am using it with a Numonics interactive whiteboard. Thanks, Kari -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 03:17:17 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:17:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Projector In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd317560608222017l499711d2t8219304f3eacf70@mail.gmail.com> Projectorcentral.com has a LOTof info and forums. Peter On 8/22/06, Kari Matthews wrote: > Do any of you sysadmins have preferences re: LCD projectors? I need to buy > one and am wondering if anyone can recommend a model that is affordable and > basic. Nothing fancy necessary. FYI I am using it with a Numonics > interactive whiteboard. > > Thanks, > Kari > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From karisue at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 03:20:37 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:20:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Projector In-Reply-To: <9bd317560608222017l499711d2t8219304f3eacf70@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560608222017l499711d2t8219304f3eacf70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks. I've been there and looked around -- was just wondering what you fine people preferred. ~kari On 8/22/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Projectorcentral.com has a LOTof info and forums. > > Peter > > > > On 8/22/06, Kari Matthews wrote: > > Do any of you sysadmins have preferences re: LCD projectors? I need to > buy > > one and am wondering if anyone can recommend a model that is affordable > and > > basic. Nothing fancy necessary. FYI I am using it with a Numonics > > interactive whiteboard. > > > > Thanks, > > Kari > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- *-*-*-*-*-* blog.karimatthews.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Aug 23 04:14:33 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:14:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed In-Reply-To: <44EBA6F4.2030305@elp.rr.com> References: <44EBA6F4.2030305@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <20060823041142.M34287@winonacotter.org> > I have been trying to install MPlayer in my server for several days > and I'm constantly running into version and missing file problems. > It also seems that every time I download an rpm file which I thought > should have everything needed to make this work I've been proved wrong. > > Can someone give me an exact listing of which files and versions I > need to use to get this critter up and running? Where to find these > files would be extremely helpful also. This isn't exactly help with your specific problem, but if you want to solve multi-media problems, check out "Fedora Frog". Neat little GUI app that lets you just check new features/apps you want and it handles all the install and setup for you. http://easylinux.info/wiki/Fedora_frog Very cool. A similar program exists for Ubuntu but I cannot remember the name off hand. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Aug 23 04:20:51 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:20:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Projector In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560608222017l499711d2t8219304f3eacf70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060823041611.M70371@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:20:37 -0500, Kari Matthews wrote > Thanks. I've been there and looked around -- was just wondering > what you fine people preferred. I wouldn't say I have a "preference" for a certain brand. Cost usually is my driving factor. However, I usually search for projectors with the features I need, then I compare the bulb cost. That is usually overlooked. We have gotton projectors in the past without that consideration, then go to order the first bulb and it is $450. Epson projectors such as the S3 usually have a bulb cost around $200. But don't disregard service hours in your comparison. A 2000hr bulb may cost double that of a 1000hr bulb. To me, cost of projector, bulb life/cost, and lumens are my main concerns. Whoever is the cheapest at that point in time, wins. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dackerman at apnts.org Wed Aug 23 05:02:41 2006 From: dackerman at apnts.org (David Ackerman) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:02:41 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with memory on client In-Reply-To: <774593a20608220313j1eaa3efew7e52d5fcbcdb4e76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <009301c6c671$5f70a620$4365a8c0@DAGATEWAY> Which of the following would I need to do? USE_NBD_SWAP = Y OR SWAPFILE_SIZE = 48m (or some other number) Would it be better to do this for specific clients that do not have enough ram since others are working fine? [MAC Address] SWAPFILE_SIZE = 48m Thanks. > We have some Neoware Eon 3000 clients we want to deploy at our school. Some > work with K12ltsp and some do not. What we found is that those with 64 mb > ram will boot from K12ltsp server and those with only 32 mb will not get > past the login screen (which just reappears after user attempts to login). > The 32 mb ram ones work with Ubuntu and LTSP 4.2 > > There must be some option to get the ones with lower ram to boot since they > worked with Ubuntu before. We cannot very easily get more ram for these, > and they are a nice option for us. > use swap option in lts.conf to add swap memory to these terminals. -- Regards, Sudev Barar _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 05:36:27 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:06:27 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with memory on client In-Reply-To: <009301c6c671$5f70a620$4365a8c0@DAGATEWAY> References: <774593a20608220313j1eaa3efew7e52d5fcbcdb4e76@mail.gmail.com> <009301c6c671$5f70a620$4365a8c0@DAGATEWAY> Message-ID: <774593a20608222236h1f801c69k5e09cec2b781d866@mail.gmail.com> On 23/08/06, David Ackerman wrote: > Which of the following would I need to do? > > USE_NBD_SWAP = Y > > OR > > SWAPFILE_SIZE = 48m (or some other number) > Both ;-) -- Regards, Sudev Barar From goblin at scooter.co.nz Wed Aug 23 06:18:51 2006 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (mrgoblin) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:18:51 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux workstation (Petre Scheie) In-Reply-To: <20060822225741.82619.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060822225741.82619.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44EBF34B.5070404@scooter.co.nz> Rob Owens wrote: > For newer windows file servers (maybe 2000 and later?) > you need to specify "-t cifs" instead of "-t smbfs". > Cifs is Microsoft's new filesharing specification. > > Another peculiarity of the Cifs system is that you > need to provide credentials in order to see the list > of available file shares. The older system let you > see the list w/o providing credentials, and only > required the credentials if you actually wanted to > mount one of those shares. Isn't the server a SAMBA server ? Paint me yellow and call me a banana but where did windows servers get mentioned? John From scott at hosef.org Wed Aug 23 09:29:36 2006 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:29:36 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with memory on client In-Reply-To: <774593a20608222236h1f801c69k5e09cec2b781d866@mail.gmail.com> References: <774593a20608220313j1eaa3efew7e52d5fcbcdb4e76@mail.gmail.com> <009301c6c671$5f70a620$4365a8c0@DAGATEWAY> <774593a20608222236h1f801c69k5e09cec2b781d866@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44EC2000.1010801@hosef.org> Sudev Barar wrote: > On 23/08/06, David Ackerman wrote: >> Which of the following would I need to do? >> >> USE_NBD_SWAP = Y >> >> OR >> >> SWAPFILE_SIZE = 48m (or some other number) >> > > > Both ;-) > Aloha David I too was besieged by mysterious and inexplicable 'issues' after an upgrade to release 5. By adding USE_NBD_SWAP = Y to my lts.conf file, great peace and order were restored to my world. I did not need to add the SWAPFILE_SIZE line for the birds to start chirping. --scott From william at fragakis.com Wed Aug 23 11:35:41 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 07:35:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN] New HP clients kernel panic... In-Reply-To: <20060823053639.A108672F1F@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060823053639.A108672F1F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1156332941.8951.8.camel@server.ltsp> Shawn, There was a thread on this on the ltsp list a couple of days ago, and iirc, the immediate hack around was to revert to 2.6.16 kernel for the clients. I ran into the same issue when trying to etherboot an older donated PC running a PIII 533 CPU with K12LTSP ver. 5 that had worked fine with 4.4.2. I was completely foxed as other, old clients booted fine. regards, William " > > > I have just had the same issue with this and HP5125 thins. I changed > > the kernel on load to one of the 2.6.16 ones and it all worked fine. I > > have not had time to dig around to find what the issue is with the > > 2.6.17 kernel and 5125s. Once I do I will post back. > > > > Andy Trevor > > > > Thank you Andy, > > If existing LTSP 2.6.16 kernel exist, could someone give me an url ? > > If not, does it mean that I do compile myself such kind of kernel ? > In these case, could someone give me help about compiling kernel for LTSP thin > client ? I never build a linux kernel... :( > > ++ > Nicolas > It should be in your tftpboot folder. Just change your dhcpd.conf to use the correct kernel. " On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 01:36 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:51:54 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Shawn Powers" > Subject: [K12OSN] New HP clients kernel panic... > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <49142.10.10.5.20.1156269114.squirrel at www.inlandlakes.org> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > I have a bunch of HP t5125 thin clients, and for some reason I can't > get > them to boot from my new 5.0.0 server. Other clients boot fine, but > partway through the boot process, I get errors. The server is freshly > updated. Here's what I get: > > (On Server's /var/messages during the bootup of a client): > Aug 22 13:38:45 vanvuren-ltsp dhcpd: dhcpd startup succeeded > Aug 22 13:43:34 vanvuren-ltsp dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from > 00:17:08:5e:6c:ee > via eth1 > [snip to the important part] > via eth1 > Aug 22 13:44:08 vanvuren-ltsp dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.249 to > 00:17:08:5e:6c:ee via eth1 > > > The client boots "halfway" up, but then stalls and gives the following > error: > > Error! dhcpd failed! > > Kernel Panic - Not syncing. Attempted to kill init! > > > The client has a via-rhine network card, and does start to boot via > PXE > quite happily. Any suggestions, or other places I can look for > information? > > Thanks, > -Shawn > > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org From timothy.hart at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 12:24:19 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:24:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed In-Reply-To: <20060823041142.M34287@winonacotter.org> References: <44EBA6F4.2030305@elp.rr.com> <20060823041142.M34287@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <464c38cc0608230524i383bc60kaf9bd9acac13996c@mail.gmail.com> Ubuntu's is automatix. http://www.getautomatix.com/ I didn't know there was one for Red Hat. Thanks Jim. On 8/23/06, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I have been trying to install MPlayer in my server for several days > > and I'm constantly running into version and missing file problems. > > It also seems that every time I download an rpm file which I thought > > should have everything needed to make this work I've been proved wrong. > > > > Can someone give me an exact listing of which files and versions I > > need to use to get this critter up and running? Where to find these > > files would be extremely helpful also. > > This isn't exactly help with your specific problem, but if you want to solve > multi-media problems, check out "Fedora Frog". Neat little GUI app that > lets you just check new features/apps you want and it handles all the > install and setup for you. > > http://easylinux.info/wiki/Fedora_frog > > Very cool. A similar program exists for Ubuntu but I cannot remember the > name off hand. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Wed Aug 23 12:50:25 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 07:50:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed In-Reply-To: <20060823041142.M34287@winonacotter.org> References: <44EBA6F4.2030305@elp.rr.com> <20060823041142.M34287@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <44EC4F11.5010204@maltzen.net> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> I have been trying to install MPlayer in my server for several days >> and I'm constantly running into version and missing file problems. >> It also seems that every time I download an rpm file which I thought >> should have everything needed to make this work I've been proved wrong. >> >> Can someone give me an exact listing of which files and versions I >> need to use to get this critter up and running? Where to find these >> files would be extremely helpful also. > > This isn't exactly help with your specific problem, but if you want to solve > multi-media problems, check out "Fedora Frog". Neat little GUI app that > lets you just check new features/apps you want and it handles all the > install and setup for you. > > http://easylinux.info/wiki/Fedora_frog > > Very cool. A similar program exists for Ubuntu but I cannot remember the > name off hand. > That would be Easy Ubuntu. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 12:52:24 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 05:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer pdc option: import read failed Message-ID: <20060823125224.98798.qmail@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, everyone! I'm having trouble running the smbldap-installer with the pdc option. I've already set up a PDC using the installer (with the "all" option). Now I'm running the installer on the PDC with the "pdc" option so I can get a BDC setup. Everything seems to work okay until the installer connects to my BDC and begins running the remainder of the installer from there. After it asks what distro the BDC is using (I answer k12ltsp-5), I get the following: Trying to install packages from the Internet... error: /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY: import read failed(-1). Killed by signal 2. {this is after I press ctrl-c} Unable to configure 192.168.1.3 as LDAP slave and BDC: 65280 (192.168.1.2 is the PDC, 192.168.1.3 will be the BDC.) I should mention that, before running the installer with the "pdc" option on our PDC, I'd been trying to run the installer on our BDC with the "bdc" option. But that had failed (I'm assuming because I should've been running the "pdc" option on the PDC.) Also, Internet access does work okay, as does running yum from a shell. Does anyone have any ideas on what I should do? Thanks in advance! David Whitmer Calvary Schools of Holland, Michigan From petre at maltzen.net Wed Aug 23 12:54:15 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 07:54:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux workstation (Petre Scheie) In-Reply-To: <44EBF34B.5070404@scooter.co.nz> References: <20060822225741.82619.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44EBF34B.5070404@scooter.co.nz> Message-ID: <44EC4FF7.1070705@maltzen.net> mrgoblin wrote: > Rob Owens wrote: >> For newer windows file servers (maybe 2000 and later?) >> you need to specify "-t cifs" instead of "-t smbfs". >> Cifs is Microsoft's new filesharing specification. >> >> Another peculiarity of the Cifs system is that you >> need to provide credentials in order to see the list >> of available file shares. The older system let you >> see the list w/o providing credentials, and only >> required the credentials if you actually wanted to >> mount one of those shares. > > Isn't the server a SAMBA server ? > Paint me yellow and call me a banana but where did windows servers get > mentioned? > > John > I, too, assumed it was a samba server, not a Windows box, which is why I suggested using sshfs instead; it's much easier, uses (more familiar to me) ssh syntax, works on thin clients, don't have to be root to use it, etc. Petre From petre at maltzen.net Wed Aug 23 12:59:32 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 07:59:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux workstation (Petre Scheie) In-Reply-To: <44EC4FF7.1070705@maltzen.net> References: <20060822225741.82619.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44EBF34B.5070404@scooter.co.nz> <44EC4FF7.1070705@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44EC5134.8090402@maltzen.net> Petre Scheie wrote: > mrgoblin wrote: >> Rob Owens wrote: >>> For newer windows file servers (maybe 2000 and later?) >>> you need to specify "-t cifs" instead of "-t smbfs". Cifs is >>> Microsoft's new filesharing specification. >>> Another peculiarity of the Cifs system is that you >>> need to provide credentials in order to see the list >>> of available file shares. The older system let you >>> see the list w/o providing credentials, and only >>> required the credentials if you actually wanted to >>> mount one of those shares. >> >> Isn't the server a SAMBA server ? >> Paint me yellow and call me a banana but where did windows servers get >> mentioned? >> >> John >> > I, too, assumed it was a samba server, not a Windows box, which is why I > suggested using sshfs instead; it's much easier, uses (more familiar to > me) ssh syntax, works on thin clients, don't have to be root to use it, > etc. > I forgot to mention another advantage of sshfs: you can use it across the internet since it's over a secure channel. I find it ironic that CIFS stands for Common _Internet_ File Service since no one in his right mind uses CIFS/SMB across the internet. Petre From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 13:42:45 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:42:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: disk space - feeling the crunch Message-ID: <9bd317560608230642r2aace3e0se8f142be7e97532f@mail.gmail.com> I have a smallish / partition on our sambldap server to maximize the homes. 3.4 gig to be specific. It was fairly minimal desktop install. I've filled up / and I've been deleting unnecessary files and removing unnecessary apps but df -h still show the same thing. Why aren't I gaining any space? Thanks, Peter From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Aug 23 13:50:29 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:50:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN] New HP clients kernel panic... In-Reply-To: <1156332941.8951.8.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20060823053639.A108672F1F@hormel.redhat.com> <1156332941.8951.8.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <04C67350-B793-420B-95DA-162651EAD12C@inlandlakes.org> On Aug 23, 2006, at 7:35 AM, William Fragakis wrote: > There was a thread on this on the ltsp list a couple of days ago, and > iirc, the immediate hack around was to revert to 2.6.16 kernel for the > clients. Thanks! I missed that thread (I knew about the problem with realtek cards in the release candidates, but missed the one that you quoted.) I'll try that today when I get back to the elementary building. Thanks! -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org Homepage: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org Personal Website: http://www.brainofshawn.com ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Aug 23 15:39:51 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:39:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN] New HP clients kernel panic... In-Reply-To: <1156332941.8951.8.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20060823053639.A108672F1F@hormel.redhat.com> <1156332941.8951.8.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <4CBFE17A-E95D-4C32-AA88-82318508EDB3@inlandlakes.org> Hmm... I don't have the 2.6.16 kernel in my tftpboot folder. Can this be extracted from some file somewhere else? Thanks, -Shawn On Aug 23, 2006, at 7:35 AM, William Fragakis wrote: > There was a thread on this on the ltsp list a couple of days ago, and > iirc, the immediate hack around was to revert to 2.6.16 kernel for the > clients. I ran into the same issue when trying to etherboot an older -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 23 16:09:33 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:09:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed In-Reply-To: <20060823041142.M34287@winonacotter.org> References: <44EBA6F4.2030305@elp.rr.com> <20060823041142.M34287@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <44EC7DBD.3010004@mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > This isn't exactly help with your specific problem, but if you want to solve > multi-media problems, check out "Fedora Frog". Neat little GUI app that > lets you just check new features/apps you want and it handles all the > install and setup for you. > > http://easylinux.info/wiki/Fedora_frog > > Very cool. A similar program exists for Ubuntu but I cannot remember the > name off hand. This thing wgets and installs stuff from many different sites. Many of the installations aren't controlled by your package manager. It adds several different Yum repositories. Why does it untar it's own kdesu when it's available from the kdebase package? Why does it install an old version (7.0.5) of Adobe Reader with security problems? http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/331710.html If you're intent on using this, untar it, and read through the frog.script to see what it's _really_ doing. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 23 16:12:00 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:12:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed In-Reply-To: <44EBA6F4.2030305@elp.rr.com> References: <44EBA6F4.2030305@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <44EC7E50.1090703@mesd.k12.or.us> John P. Conlon wrote: > I'm running K12LTSP FC5 in a home brew server that has an AMD 1ghz 32 > bit processor and 1.5 gig of RAM. > > I have been trying to install MPlayer in my server for several days and > I'm constantly running into version and missing file problems. It also > seems that every time I download an rpm file which I thought should have > everything needed to make this work I've been proved wrong. > > Can someone give me an exact listing of which files and versions I need > to use to get this critter up and running? Where to find these files > would be extremely helpful also. Read: http://rpm.livna.org/faq.html Do: rpm -ivh http://rpm.livna.org/livna-release-5.rpm yum install mplayer -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From petre at maltzen.net Wed Aug 23 16:22:02 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:22:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed In-Reply-To: <44EC7E50.1090703@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44EBA6F4.2030305@elp.rr.com> <44EC7E50.1090703@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44EC80AA.60404@maltzen.net> Dan Young wrote: > John P. Conlon wrote: >> I'm running K12LTSP FC5 in a home brew server that has an AMD 1ghz 32 >> bit processor and 1.5 gig of RAM. >> >> I have been trying to install MPlayer in my server for several days and >> I'm constantly running into version and missing file problems. It also >> seems that every time I download an rpm file which I thought should have >> everything needed to make this work I've been proved wrong. >> >> Can someone give me an exact listing of which files and versions I need >> to use to get this critter up and running? Where to find these files >> would be extremely helpful also. > > Read: > http://rpm.livna.org/faq.html > > Do: > rpm -ivh http://rpm.livna.org/livna-release-5.rpm > yum install mplayer > Is it just me, or is the livna repo included with K12LTSP but disabled by default? I think I noticed this a few releases back, and have just gotten in the habit of enabling it after I install the system. But I've never seen any discussion about it. Petre From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 23 16:29:58 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:29:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed In-Reply-To: <44EC80AA.60404@maltzen.net> References: <44EBA6F4.2030305@elp.rr.com> <44EC7E50.1090703@mesd.k12.or.us> <44EC80AA.60404@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44EC8286.3000305@mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > Dan Young wrote: >> John P. Conlon wrote: >>> I'm running K12LTSP FC5 in a home brew server that has an AMD 1ghz 32 >>> bit processor and 1.5 gig of RAM. >>> >>> I have been trying to install MPlayer in my server for several days and >>> I'm constantly running into version and missing file problems. It also >>> seems that every time I download an rpm file which I thought should have >>> everything needed to make this work I've been proved wrong. >>> >>> Can someone give me an exact listing of which files and versions I need >>> to use to get this critter up and running? Where to find these files >>> would be extremely helpful also. >> >> Read: >> http://rpm.livna.org/faq.html >> >> Do: >> rpm -ivh http://rpm.livna.org/livna-release-5.rpm >> yum install mplayer >> > Is it just me, or is the livna repo included with K12LTSP but disabled > by default? I think I noticed this a few releases back, and have just > gotten in the habit of enabling it after I install the system. But I've > never seen any discussion about it. [dyoung at ltsp ~]$ rpm -qf /etc/yum.repos.d/livna.repo k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0d Yeah, it is there. I'm sure Eric can elaborate on his reasoning later. The software in there is somewhat legally gray for people in the US. So if the repo is present, but disabled: yum --enablerepo=livna install mplayer -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Aug 23 17:00:29 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:00:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed In-Reply-To: <44EC7DBD.3010004@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44EBA6F4.2030305@elp.rr.com> <20060823041142.M34287@winonacotter.org> <44EC7DBD.3010004@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060823165434.M5345@winonacotter.org> > This thing wgets and installs stuff from many different sites. Many > of the installations aren't controlled by your package manager. It adds > several different Yum repositories. > > Why does it untar it's own kdesu when it's available from the kdebase > package? Why does it install an old version (7.0.5) of Adobe Reader with > security problems? > http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/331710.html > > If you're intent on using this, untar it, and read through the > frog.script to see what it's _really_ doing. At this point, I don't really care. It works. I have battled Multimedia on Linux since I started using it. Now I can check half a dozen boxes and stuff plays....finally. I don't have to navigate to all the different sites myself and figure out what codecs are needed for WMV's, what apps and crap I need for MP3's, and then install it all. It adds the repositories for me. At this point, I am happy to remain ignorant and have something simple that works. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From tom at pcc.com Wed Aug 23 17:53:17 2006 From: tom at pcc.com (Tom Astle) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:53:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sharing LTSP user setings with remote site Message-ID: <44EC960D.9020604@pcc.com> Hi, I have 2 LTSP servers in two locations connected by a fractional p-t-p T1 @750Kb/sec and I have been trying to have the people in the remote site have access to /home in the main site through a NFS mount. Not a very good idea to say the least. Everything that uses that wan connection is pretty darn slow. Is there a different tactic I can use to synchronize user settings and files between these locations? Any help is appreciated! Tom From petre at maltzen.net Wed Aug 23 18:02:54 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:02:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sharing LTSP user setings with remote site In-Reply-To: <44EC960D.9020604@pcc.com> References: <44EC960D.9020604@pcc.com> Message-ID: <44EC984E.1030709@maltzen.net> One question to answer is how quickly do changes on one system have to be synchronized on the other? The fact that you've got a T1 suggests there is at least a little distance between the two; how likely is a user to, say, create a document while at one site and then move to the other site and need access to that same document? Where I'm going with this is you could setup a nightly rsync script to copy changes in /home, /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, /etc/group,...and I think there's another file you need that escapes me at the moment (check the archives). Even if you do have users who are in both places one the same day, you could push an icon out to the desktop that calls an rsync script for just that user. Petre Tom Astle wrote: > Hi, > > I have 2 LTSP servers in two locations connected by a fractional p-t-p > T1 @750Kb/sec and I have been trying to have the people in the > remote site have access to /home in the main site through a NFS mount. > Not a very good idea to say the least. Everything that > uses that wan connection is pretty darn slow. > > Is there a different tactic I can use to synchronize user settings and > files between these locations? > > Any help is appreciated! > > Tom > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Wed Aug 23 18:52:28 2006 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:52:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CD Order Message-ID: <44ECA3EC.2030000@peopleplaces.org> I recently ordered 5.0.0 from Edmunds. I have a 64-bit architecture. I'm thinking they sent me the 32-bit version, as whenever you click the Edmunds link from http://k12ltsp.org/order.html you're taken to a populated shopping cart, and my brand-spanking new k21ltsp box isn't 64-bit enabled. Do I now need to re-order, somehow specifying the 64-bit version, or download & burn myself? -Michael -- If this is my day of harvest, in what fields have I sowed the seed, and in what unremembered seasons? - Kahlil Gibran CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message, and any attachments that may accompany it, contain information that is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or other use of this communication or any of the information, which it contains is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the original sender by return mail and delete this message, along with any attachments, from your computer. Thank you. From timothy.hart at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 18:56:24 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:56:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Firstclass Message-ID: <464c38cc0608231156w848ec81scb3d5fab20df6d06@mail.gmail.com> Hey, it looks like Centrinity has finally put the Firstclass for Linux on their official site. Finally. http://www.softarc.com/clientdownloads/FC81LinuxDownloadPage -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rgm at htt-consult.com Wed Aug 23 18:59:55 2006 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:59:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: smbldap-installer reinstall failure (Robert Moskowitz) In-Reply-To: <20060810060154.GC16804@majen.net> References: <20060810011853.A8F4F73121@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44ECA5AB.8090008@htt-consult.com> Coming back to a non-resolved install... Matt Oquist wrote: >> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:54:52 -0400 >> From: "Robert Moskowitz" >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer reinstall failure (Robert Moskowitz) >> > > >>>> The docs say you can run ./smb-ldap all over and over until you get it >>>> right? >>>> >>> Yes, though perhaps we should have something in there about deleting >>> old LDAP databases first. >>> >> I thought that was a backup of the old databases in there? >> > > I wasn't speaking of the database backups here, I was speaking of the > actual databases, [usually] stored in /var/lib/ldap. > > You should 'rm -rf /var/lib/ldap/*' before you re-run the > smbldap-installer. BEWARE! This deletes your current databases! (But > no the backups.) > And I no longer have any database, it seems. the install fails. ldap won't start, the /var/lib/ldap directory is empty.... Is it time to just reinstall all of Centos???? > >>>> I got through a lot of the script then bot a mesage about: >>>> /etc/logrotate.d/smbldap-ldif-backups already exists, will overwrite in >>>> 10 seconds (CTRL+C to cancel).... >>>> >>> The right thing for you to do is just wait...I guess the message >>> should say that. :-( >>> >> But I did, and the script ended. It did not go one to setting >> everything up, it seemed. >> > > Oh. Maybe it should print something more, I suppose. I expect that it > really did finish, though, unless you're *sure* it never said anything > about "/etc/cron./smbldap-ldif-backup". > > >>>> Caution: You have /home exported more than once in /etc/exports/ >>>> make sure this is what you want. >>>> (I understand what I have to do here, but why did this happen?) >>>> >>> You had the script add a '/home (options)' line for you once >>> before, and you were adding another export. This doesn't hurt >>> anything, but it's good for you to be aware of it. Maybe the script >>> should say "Warning" instead of "Caution"; there's a well-established >>> convention that "warnings" are workable while "errors" are not. >>> >>> >> Since these are duplicates, could not the script NOT add the duplicate? >> > > 'Cuz you said you wanted it to. I suppose it could ask for > confirmation if it's a second time; good idea. > > >>>> /etc/cron.daily/smbldap-ldif-backups already exists, will overwrite in >>>> 10 seconds (CTRL+C to cancel).... >>>> Well this time I did not touch the keyboard and am waiting for HELP!!! >>>> >>> Good plan, but you've probably waited long enough now. :) >>> >> The script ended at this point. Seemed like prematurely. That is, I >> seem to recall the first time through more going on... >> Definitely did NOT get asked the smb password. >> > > Subsequent runs of the script remember your previous answers (if > you're in the same smbldap-installer directory), but you should be > prompted for your password every time because I don't store it in the > answers file. > > The password question is long before the ldif-backups questions, > though. > > I'm working on FC5 right now; I'm just about to test everything after > a 'yum upgrade', so we'll see how it goes. 8-| > > --matt > > -- > Open Source Software Engineering Consultant > http://majen.net/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Wed Aug 23 21:35:06 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:35:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote poweron with WakeOnLAN Message-ID: <44ECCA0A.8040707@saskforestcentre.ca> I've been experimenting with power management and flipping terminals on automatically at opening time and shutting them off at closing time. Most of my terminals, however, do not do this properly. They all report in the BIOS that they support it. As far as I can tell from reading mailing lists, this has to do with some property set in the card by the Linux network card driver. If I flip off the machine with the power switch, I can use Wakeonlan to power it up. If I use ltspinfo to turn it off, it doesn't work. No reponse. From reading, I see that ethtool is the appropriate tool to set the property in question, but it's not installed on K12LTSP by default. The web page that specifies this stuff is (for example) http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:kKqkt345JV4J:wiki.debian.net/%3Faction%3Drevisions%26page_name%3DWakeOnLan%26revision_id%3D-1+ethtool+wakeonlan&hl=en&gl=ca&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a or http://ahh.sourceforge.net/wol/faq.html Has anyone done anything with this? I'm looking at changing my modules.conf, and maybe adding to the terminal environment. Am I missing anything? Angus Carr. From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Aug 24 01:18:03 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 06:48:03 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Sharing LTSP user setings with remote site In-Reply-To: <44EC984E.1030709@maltzen.net> References: <44EC960D.9020604@pcc.com> <44EC984E.1030709@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <774593a20608231818g2db9d25fw424cf07c965594e9@mail.gmail.com> On 23/08/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > Where I'm going with this is you could setup a nightly rsync script to copy changes in > /home, /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, /etc/group,...and I think there's another file you need > that escapes me at the moment (check the archives). Even if you do have users who are > in both places one the same day, you could push an icon out to the desktop that calls an > rsync script for just that user. > We have been doing this on hourly basis with key login to do password less rsync. Typically it takes 4~5 minutes to have synced servers with advantage of auto back up in case of one server crashing. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Aug 24 03:53:07 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 03:53:07 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] strange rdesktop and Windows Terminal Server issue Message-ID: <082420060353.23273.44ED22A300035CA500005AE922007348309C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> I have re-installed my K12LTSP servers and they seem happy (after many struggles with the RAID, but ... now happy). So, now, new users cannot connect using rdesktop from one of them to one of my Windows Terminal Servers. I have two Linux TS (say A and B)), and two Windows TS (say C and D). Now, the weirdness. If a user does not have an .rdesktop directory with a license in it, then the following happens. On Server A the user can connect without issue to either server C or D. But, using Server B the user can only connect to Server C. Once a connection has been made and the license file created, then the user can connect to either Server C or D. Identical installs for A and B and for C and D. To me this means the issue lies (somehow) with my Windows Terminal Server D. The work-around that I am using is I have connected to Server C from a generic account. Then, I have copied the resulting license file to all users that don't have a license file (or .rdesktop directory). I am most likely violating some sort of license policy, but ... I have TS Device TSCALS for all the systems that are supposed to connect (I count each thin client that is allowed to be used to connect as a device and have enough to cover them , even though only the main Linux terminal server will actually show up from Windows perspective). If anyone has any idea why one of the terminal servers will not let users connect, but the other will, I am interested in finding out. The server does show that a license was issued to the system in question and it expires in about 2 months. But, then so does the other system. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Thu Aug 24 03:42:07 2006 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:42:07 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux workstation In-Reply-To: <20060823160020.55212732D4@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060823160020.55212732D4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1156390928.2666.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi All, Yes it is a Samba server, v3.0.23a-1.fc5.1, the default updated version for FC5. I've added myself to the fuse group, but it didn't make any difference. The Fedora Core 5 mount command no longer recognises SMBFS as a file system. I've tried. Dave Whitmer made a comment about problems mounting CIFS shares for this version of Samba. So methinks I need to upgrade to a later version of Samba. :-/ Now where is the best place to find a later package........rpmfind, yum? At least this is a definite lead. Cheers, Bert > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Isn't the server a SAMBA server ? > > Paint me yellow and call me a banana but where did windows servers get > > mentioned? > > > > John > > > I, too, assumed it was a samba server, not a Windows box, which is why I suggested using > sshfs instead; it's much easier, uses (more familiar to me) ssh syntax, works on thin > clients, don't have to be root to use it, etc. > > Petre > > > ================================================ > Petre Scheie wrote: > > mrgoblin wrote: > >> Rob Owens wrote: > >>> For newer windows file servers (maybe 2000 and later?) > >>> you need to specify "-t cifs" instead of "-t smbfs". Cifs is > >>> Microsoft's new filesharing specification. > >>> Another peculiarity of the Cifs system is that you > >>> need to provide credentials in order to see the list > >>> of available file shares. The older system let you > >>> see the list w/o providing credentials, and only > >>> required the credentials if you actually wanted to > >>> mount one of those shares. > >> > >> Isn't the server a SAMBA server ? > >> Paint me yellow and call me a banana but where did windows servers get > >> mentioned? > >> > >> John > >> > > I, too, assumed it was a samba server, not a Windows box, which is why I > > suggested using sshfs instead; it's much easier, uses (more familiar to > > me) ssh syntax, works on thin clients, don't have to be root to use it, > > etc. > > > I forgot to mention another advantage of sshfs: you can use it across the internet since > it's over a secure channel. I find it ironic that CIFS stands for Common _Internet_ > File Service since no one in his right mind uses CIFS/SMB across the internet. > > Petre > > > From ahodson at elp.rr.com Thu Aug 24 12:24:32 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan Hodson) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 06:24:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed In-Reply-To: <20060823165434.M5345@winonacotter.org> References: <44EBA6F4.2030305@elp.rr.com> <20060823041142.M34287@winonacotter.org> <44EC7DBD.3010004@mesd.k12.or.us> <20060823165434.M5345@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1156422272.3258.10.camel@HodsonNet1> Doesn't http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ accomplish a lot of the same tasks without the headaches? I may have my apps confused... A. Hodson El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org/ -=o=- From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Thu Aug 24 12:38:18 2006 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (larry) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:38:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Firstclass In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0608231156w848ec81scb3d5fab20df6d06@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0608231156w848ec81scb3d5fab20df6d06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1156423098.10775.14.camel@localhost> Thanks for the link! On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 14:56 -0400, Timothy Hart wrote: > Hey, it looks like Centrinity has finally put the Firstclass for Linux > on their official site. Finally. > > http://www.softarc.com/clientdownloads/FC81LinuxDownloadPage > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dackerman at apnts.org Thu Aug 24 12:50:54 2006 From: dackerman at apnts.org (David Ackerman) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:50:54 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP Setup Message-ID: <001f01c6c77b$f0e01540$2d66a8c0@DAGATEWAY> We are beginning to think of what we can do next with our K12ltsp server. I have noticed lately some discussion about samba and ldap. We are just beginning to think about this and do research. We have about 100 student users (mostly Windows). We have a separate email server and Moodle server (Ubuntu), both of which involve setting up 100 user accounts each (a couple of days work at least). Plus we run a separate server presently SME to filter internet and provide network folders for students, another administrative challenge to setup accounts. We do not have any way to know who is accessing forbidden sites because there are dynamic ip addresses for the users. All these servers go directly to the internet via a firewall and routers. Possible solution: setup K12 (replace SME) to filter internet, provide network folders, network login for students (thus we know what they are doing), and possibly (?) run about 5 thin clients. Perhaps then use this to also administrate the email server and Moodle through LDAP (do we need a reserved LAN connection between the servers which are not connected in anyway?). >From those with experience, is this asking too much from one machine? Is this a good scenario? Are there any web sites with clear directions for novices to set up ldap? I think we can set up the samba basically. We've done some searching but it is still cloudy. It will take us a few weeks to be brave enough to set up a test server. Our goal, if this idea proves doable, is to implement this by October. This is a broad question, but we need to start somewhere. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Aug 24 13:12:00 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:12:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed Message-ID: I created the file and then ran the yum command as specified. I got some error messages so I copied the entire screen so you can hopefully tell me how to fix what went wrong. Again thanks in advance Pat [root at server ~]# yum -y install mplayer Loading "installonlyn" plugin Setting up Install Process Setting up repositories macromedia [1/7] macromedia 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 at-stable [2/7] at-stable 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 core [3/7] core 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 k12ltsp [4/7] k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 updates [5/7] updates 100% |=========================| 1.2 kB 00:00 webmin [6/7] webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 extras [7/7] extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 384 kB 00:02 updates : ################################################## 1070/1070 Added 9 new packages, deleted 0 old in 3.25 seconds Parsing package install arguments Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package mplayer.i386 4:1.0-54_pre8.fc5.at set to be updated --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libdirect-0.9.so.25 for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: liblzo.so.1 for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: libartsc.so.0 for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: libfusion-0.9.so.25 for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: libfaad.so.0 for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: liblirc_client.so.0 for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: libdvdread.so.3 for package: mplayer --> Processing Dependency: libaa.so.1 for package: mplayer --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package faad2.i386 0:2.0-3.99.rhfc5.at set to be updated ---> Package lzo.i386 0:1.08-7.fc5 set to be updated ---> Package lirc.i386 0:0.8.0-3.fc5 set to be updated ---> Package libdvdread.i386 0:0.9.4-3_1.rhfc5.at set to be updated ---> Package aalib.i386 0:1.4.0-0.8.rc5.fc5 set to be updated ---> Package arts.i386 8:1.5.4-0.1.fc5 set to be updated ---> Package libfusion-0.9_25.i386 0:0.9.25.1-9.rhfc5.at set to be updated ---> Package libdirect-0.9_25.i386 0:0.9.25.1-9.rhfc5.at set to be updated --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libdvdcss >= 1.2.5 for package: libdvdread --> Processing Dependency: libportaudio.so for package: lirc --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package portaudio.i386 0:18.1-7.fc5 set to be updated ---> Package libdvdcss.i386 0:1.2.8-1_1.rhfc5.at set to be updated --> Running transaction check Dependencies Resolved ============================================================================= Package Arch Version Repository Size ============================================================================= Installing: mplayer i386 4:1.0-54_pre8.fc5.at at-stable 11 M Installing for dependencies: aalib i386 1.4.0-0.8.rc5.fc5 extras 72 k arts i386 8:1.5.4-0.1.fc5 k12ltsp 1.1 M faad2 i386 2.0-3.99.rhfc5.at at-stable 391 k libdirect-0.9_25 i386 0.9.25.1-9.rhfc5.at at-stable 31 k libdvdcss i386 1.2.8-1_1.rhfc5.at at-stable 35 k libdvdread i386 0.9.4-3_1.rhfc5.at at-stable 59 k libfusion-0.9_25 i386 0.9.25.1-9.rhfc5.at at-stable 13 k lirc i386 0.8.0-3.fc5 extras 358 k lzo i386 1.08-7.fc5 extras 63 k portaudio i386 18.1-7.fc5 extras 88 k Transaction Summary ============================================================================= Install 11 Package(s) Update 0 Package(s) Remove 0 Package(s) Total download size: 13 M Downloading Packages: warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 66534c2b Public key for faad2-2.0-3.99.rhfc5.at.i386.rpm is not installed Retrieving GPG key from http://atrpms.net/RPM-GPG-KEY/atrpms GPG key retrieval failed: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:04:19 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.0 (Fedora) Content-Length: 291 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 [root at server ~]# -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 19:28:26 -0600 From: Calvin Dodge Reply-To: Support list for open source software in schools. To: Support list for open source software in schools. References: <44EBA6F4.2030305 at elp.rr.com> On 8/22/06, John P. Conlon wrote: > I'm running K12LTSP FC5 in a home brew server that has an AMD 1ghz 32 > bit processor and 1.5 gig of RAM. > > I have been trying to install MPlayer in my server for several days and > I'm constantly running into version and missing file problems. It also > seems that every time I download an rpm file which I thought should have > everything needed to make this work I've been proved wrong. > > Can someone give me an exact listing of which files and versions I need > to use to get this critter up and running? Where to find these files > would be extremely helpful also. Use the ATrpms repo and yum. Here's my ATrpms repo file (in /etc/yum.repos.d/at.repo): [at-stable] name=ATrpms for Fedora Core $releasever stable baseurl=http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/download.atrpms.net/fc$releasever-$basearch/atrpms/stable enabled=0 gpgkey=http://atrpms.net/RPM-GPG-KEY.atrpms gpgcheck=1 Create that repo file, then run "yum -y install mplayer". Calvin _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Aug 24 13:15:16 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:15:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed In-Reply-To: <1156422272.3258.10.camel@HodsonNet1> References: <44EBA6F4.2030305@elp.rr.com> <20060823041142.M34287@winonacotter.org> <44EC7DBD.3010004@mesd.k12.or.us> <20060823165434.M5345@winonacotter.org> <1156422272.3258.10.camel@HodsonNet1> Message-ID: Isent a follow up to Calvin about the error messages I received when I followed his procedure. I'll want to wait for his response but I have looked at your information and will try it if Calvin doesn't have a cure for me. Bye Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Hodson Date: Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:26 am Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > Doesn't http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ accomplish a lot of the same > taskswithout the headaches? I may have my apps confused... > > A. Hodson > El Paso ISD, TX > http://links.episd.org/ > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From caldodge at gmail.com Thu Aug 24 13:17:11 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:17:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Getting MPlayer installed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <824a5f7a0608240617i2e138bc7u7a724d2ed7a32544@mail.gmail.com> On 8/24/06, jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > I created the file and then ran the yum command as specified. I got > some error messages so I copied the entire screen so you can hopefully > tell me how to fix what went wrong. > warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 66534c2b > Public key for faad2-2.0-3.99.rhfc5.at.i386.rpm is not installed > Retrieving GPG key from http://atrpms.net/RPM-GPG-KEY/atrpms RPMs are usually digitally "signed" by their creators, to prevent others from distributing altered (trojaned, for example) RPMs. Apparently ATrpms has changed the location of the GPG key. In your at.repo file, change the gpgkey line to: gpgkey=http://www.atrpms.net/RPM-GPG-KEY.atrpms Calvin From ericbrow at gmail.com Thu Aug 24 14:03:41 2006 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:03:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Firstclass In-Reply-To: <1156423098.10775.14.camel@localhost> References: <464c38cc0608231156w848ec81scb3d5fab20df6d06@mail.gmail.com> <1156423098.10775.14.camel@localhost> Message-ID: I noticed this the other night setting up First Class on a Windows machine for a friend. I have an interesting issue though. In ubuntu, when I try to connect, it gives me an error that I am not allowed to connect in that way (or something like that). I can connect just fine using the Windows or Mac client. Anyone know if this is something that is set on the server? I don't have access to our First Class server, so I have no idea how it works. Thanks, Eric On 8/24/06, larry wrote: > Thanks for the link! > > On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 14:56 -0400, Timothy Hart wrote: > > Hey, it looks like Centrinity has finally put the Firstclass for Linux > > on their official site. Finally. > > > > http://www.softarc.com/clientdownloads/FC81LinuxDownloadPage > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ericbrow at gmail.com Thu Aug 24 14:05:57 2006 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:05:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] exporting users Message-ID: I've done a little searching on this, but I can't seem to find an answer. I let my students enter themselves as users on my K12LTSP setup so they could pick their own passwords. But now, I need to also set up accounts for them on my web server. Is there an easy way I could export the accounts from the k12ltsp server to the web server so they don't have to go through the same process twice? Thanks in advance, Eric From petre at maltzen.net Thu Aug 24 14:16:58 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:16:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] exporting users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44EDB4DA.90504@maltzen.net> Assuming you mean they are going to login to a shell on the webserver, try copying /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, /etc/group, and /home to the webserver. Make sure you've got a root shell already open on the webserver before starting this in case something goes wrong, because this will also replicate root's info from the K12LTSP server onto the webserver. Petre Eric Brown wrote: > I've done a little searching on this, but I can't seem to find an answer. > > I let my students enter themselves as users on my K12LTSP setup so > they could pick their own passwords. But now, I need to also set up > accounts for them on my web server. Is there an easy way I could > export the accounts from the k12ltsp server to the web server so they > don't have to go through the same process twice? > > Thanks in advance, > Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Thu Aug 24 14:22:10 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:22:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Wrong spool path in samba in version 5.0 Message-ID: <44EDB612.9090107@maltzen.net> I turned on samba on my K12LTSP 5.0 server the other day, and user's home directories became accessible to Windows boxes as expected. However, whenever a user would try to print via a printer share on the server, they would get an error about the 'Network path could not be found'. It turned out that the printer spooler path was set to /usr/spool/samba, rather than the usual /var/spool/samba. Changing the path fixed the problem. I'm just puzzled as to how the incorrect path got into the samba config in the first place. It's not something I would normally set. I'm bringing this up in case anyone else has a similar problem. Anyone else seeing this? Petre From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Aug 24 14:56:09 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:56:09 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP Setup In-Reply-To: <001f01c6c77b$f0e01540$2d66a8c0@DAGATEWAY> References: <001f01c6c77b$f0e01540$2d66a8c0@DAGATEWAY> Message-ID: <44EDBE09.2020909@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> David Ackerman wrote: > We are beginning to think of what we can do next with our K12ltsp > server. I have noticed lately some discussion about samba and ldap. We > are just beginning to think about this and do research. > > > > We have about 100 student users (mostly Windows). We have a separate > email server and Moodle server (Ubuntu), both of which involve setting > up 100 user accounts each (a couple of days work at least). Plus we run > a separate server presently SME to filter internet and provide network > folders for students, another administrative challenge to setup > accounts. We do not have any way to know who is accessing forbidden > sites because there are dynamic ip addresses for the users. All these > servers go directly to the internet via a firewall and routers. > > > > Possible solution: setup K12 (replace SME) to filter internet, provide > network folders, network login for students (thus we know what they are > doing), and possibly (?) run about 5 thin clients. Perhaps then use > this to also administrate the email server and Moodle through LDAP (do > we need a reserved LAN connection between the servers which are not > connected in anyway?). > > > > From those with experience, is this asking too much from one machine? > Is this a good scenario? > > > > Are there any web sites with clear directions for novices to set up > ldap? I think we can set up the samba basically. We?ve done some > searching but it is still cloudy. It will take us a few weeks to be > brave enough to set up a test server. Our goal, if this idea proves > doable, is to implement this by October. > > > > This is a broad question, but we need to start somewhere. > > > > Thanks. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Use the smbldap installer & it'll do everything for you. One thing I've found that is really important is RAM, the more the better. We have about 4000 users but only about 700 are active and I need to upgrade the server to 3 Gb to handle this. I'd say go for CentOS it's a RHEL clone and the smbldap installer is reported to work happily with it. I think you could setup the server & LDAP in a few hours. The smbldap installer has script to batch create users from a CSV file. For internet filtering have a look at Censornet, it'll authenticate against Samba 3 happily. You should also be able to use this for authenticating your email. If you'd like more info feel free to drop me an email Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Aug 24 15:07:01 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:07:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Getting MPlayer installed In-Reply-To: <824a5f7a0608240617i2e138bc7u7a724d2ed7a32544@mail.gmail.com> References: <824a5f7a0608240617i2e138bc7u7a724d2ed7a32544@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: That got it installed and ran updatedb. When I attempt to run mplayer I get a small message box that blinks on the screen and disapears to quickly for me to read and nothing else. Do you have any suggestions? My server is a homebrew with an AMD 1 GHZ processor and 1.5 gig of ram. Thanks Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Calvin Dodge Date: Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:17 am Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Getting MPlayer installed To: "jconlon1 at elp.rr.com" Cc: k12osn at redhat.com > On 8/24/06, jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > I created the file and then ran the yum command as specified. I got > > some error messages so I copied the entire screen so you can > hopefully> tell me how to fix what went wrong. > > > warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key > ID 66534c2b > > Public key for faad2-2.0-3.99.rhfc5.at.i386.rpm is not installed > > Retrieving GPG key from http://atrpms.net/RPM-GPG-KEY/atrpms > > RPMs are usually digitally "signed" by their creators, to prevent > others from distributing altered (trojaned, for example) RPMs. > > Apparently ATrpms has changed the location of the GPG key. In your > at.repo file, change the gpgkey line to: > > gpgkey=http://www.atrpms.net/RPM-GPG-KEY.atrpms > > Calvin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From caldodge at gmail.com Thu Aug 24 16:34:56 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:34:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed In-Reply-To: References: <44EBA6F4.2030305@elp.rr.com> <20060823041142.M34287@winonacotter.org> <44EC7DBD.3010004@mesd.k12.or.us> <20060823165434.M5345@winonacotter.org> <1156422272.3258.10.camel@HodsonNet1> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0608240934k4c58b611obf8ec63ca08082bb@mail.gmail.com> On 8/24/06, jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > Isent a follow up to Calvin about the error messages I received when I > followed his procedure. I'll want to wait for his response but I have > looked at your information and will try it if Calvin doesn't have a cure > for me. I think I forgot to echo that followup to the group. The issue is that the ATrpms folks have apparently moved their GPG key to a different URL. So the at.repo line beginning with "gpgkey=" should have been changed to: gpgkey=http://www.atrpms.net/RPM-GPG-KEY.atrpms Petre mentioned the livna repo being disabled by default. Due to conflicts between different 3rd party RPM sites (and the occasional update naughtiness from k12ltsp (wiping out my named.conf and host files is a big nono)), I disable all my add-on repos by default, then manually update just the packages from those sites. For example, when I want to update my MythTV stuff from ATrpms, I run the following one-liner: yum --enablerepo=at-stable -y update $(rpm -qa --queryformat "%{NAME} %{VENDOR}\n"|grep ATrpms|cut -d ' ' -f 1) which means 1) List all packages by name and vendor (rpm) 2) Grab only the packages with ATrpms as the vendor (grep) 3) extract the package names (cut) 4) tell yum to update just those packages Calvin From mel at melwade.com Thu Aug 24 17:38:46 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:38:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Firstclass In-Reply-To: References: <464c38cc0608231156w848ec81scb3d5fab20df6d06@mail.gmail.com> <1156423098.10775.14.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <43080f460608241038s2de60f61h7a545581274587dc@mail.gmail.com> What costs are associated with FirstClass? -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here is what happened: [root at server ~]# yum --enablerepo=at-stable -y update $(rpm -qa --queryformat "%{NAME} > %{VENDOR}\n"|grep ATrpms|cut -d ' ' -f 1) Loading "installonlyn" plugin Setting up Update Process Setting up repositories macromedia [1/7] macromedia 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 at-stable [2/7] at-stable 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 core [3/7] ftp://ftp.tecnoera.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/5/i386/os/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 4] IOError: [Errno ftp error] timed out Trying other mirror. core 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 k12ltsp [4/7] k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 updates [5/7] updates 100% |=========================| 1.2 kB 00:00 webmin [6/7] webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 extras [7/7] extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files Could not find update match for ATrpms.net No Packages marked for Update/Obsoletion [root at server ~]# ----- Original Message ----- From: Calvin Dodge Date: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:37 am Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > On 8/24/06, jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > Isent a follow up to Calvin about the error messages I received > when I > > followed his procedure. I'll want to wait for his response but I > have> looked at your information and will try it if Calvin doesn't > have a cure > > for me. > > I think I forgot to echo that followup to the group. > > The issue is that the ATrpms folks have apparently moved their GPG key > to a different URL. > > So the at.repo line beginning with "gpgkey=" should have been > changed to: > > gpgkey=http://www.atrpms.net/RPM-GPG-KEY.atrpms > > > > Petre mentioned the livna repo being disabled by default. Due to > conflicts between different 3rd party RPM sites (and the occasional > update naughtiness from k12ltsp (wiping out my named.conf and host > files is a big nono)), I disable all my add-on repos by default, then > manually update just the packages from those sites. For example, > when I want to update my MythTV stuff from ATrpms, I run the following > one-liner: > > yum --enablerepo=at-stable -y update $(rpm -qa --queryformat "%{NAME} > %{VENDOR}\n"|grep ATrpms|cut -d ' ' -f 1) > > which means > 1) List all packages by name and vendor (rpm) > 2) Grab only the packages with ATrpms as the vendor (grep) > 3) extract the package names (cut) > 4) tell yum to update just those packages > > > Calvin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From moquist at majen.net Thu Aug 24 18:00:59 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:00:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] re: LDAP Setup (David Ackerman) In-Reply-To: <20060824150710.D8C067335D@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060824150710.D8C067335D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060824180059.GC24051@majen.net> > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:50:54 +0800 > From: "David Ackerman" > Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP Setup > We are beginning to think of what we can do next with our K12ltsp server. I > have noticed lately some discussion about samba and ldap. We are just > beginning to think about this and do research. > > We have about 100 student users (mostly Windows). We have a separate email > server and Moodle server (Ubuntu), both of which involve setting up 100 user > accounts each (a couple of days work at least). Plus we run a separate > server presently SME to filter internet and provide network folders for > students, another administrative challenge to setup accounts. We do not > have any way to know who is accessing forbidden sites because there are > dynamic ip addresses for the users. All these servers go directly to the > internet via a firewall and routers. > > Possible solution: setup K12 (replace SME) to filter internet, provide > network folders, network login for students (thus we know what they are > doing), and possibly (?) run about 5 thin clients. Perhaps then use this to > also administrate the email server and Moodle through LDAP (do we need a > reserved LAN connection between the servers which are not connected in > anyway?). > > >From those with experience, is this asking too much from one machine? Is > this a good scenario? This sounds right to me. > Are there any web sites with clear directions for novices to set up ldap? I > think we can set up the samba basically. We've done some searching but it is > still cloudy. It will take us a few weeks to be brave enough to set up a > test server. Our goal, if this idea proves doable, is to implement this by > October. http://majen.net/smbldap You *do not* want to just set up samba and then get around to LDAP later. If anything, you can set up LDAP and then configure Samba later, but I don't recommend that, either. I recommend the smbldap-installer (which, truth be told, is my project) along with a cup of coffee and some significant time spent with Terpstra's Samba Guide, which is linked off the front page of the smbldap-installer documentation page. Or you can go there directly: http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/ http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/Samba3-ByExample.pdf --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ 718 Fox Hollow Drive Hudson, NH 03051 U.S.A. +1 603.236.1054 (cell) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That's probably the most direct route to a working system. We could probably figure out how to fix it, but it's easier just to blow it away. (This is the lesson taught to us all by Windows. "Why repair when you can just restart?") --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From rmccaa at tiu11.org Thu Aug 24 18:20:40 2006 From: rmccaa at tiu11.org (Bob McCaa) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:20:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] "Tiny sub-$100 PC runs Puppy Linux" Message-ID: <1156443640.5760.1.camel@tech-do-rrm.jcsdk12.org> Saw this on DIGG http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6828123924.html "A Bangkok-based company is shipping a tiny, sub-$100 PC capable of running Puppy and other lightweight Linux distributions. NorhTec's MicroClient Jr. measures 4.5 inches square, draws 8 Watts, and has a 166MHz Pentium-compatible processor with three integer units. It targets thin-client, kiosk, and electronic signage applications." Might be nice for K12LTSP labs on a budget. From moquist at majen.net Thu Aug 24 19:04:25 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:04:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: what are your usage and Web publishing policies? Message-ID: <20060824190425.GA27171@majen.net> I'm looking for some examples of non-Draconian computer usage policies, and I'm also interested to know what policies, if any, your schools have adopted for teachers publishing on the Web. I know some schools are concerned about liability issues WRT teachers' webpages; how have your schools responded to this "threat"? Also, I expect that several of your schools are encouraging teachers to maintain class web pages; can some of you respond to me and point to some examples? I'm hoping that your responses can help me provide good examples to discourage other schools from making regressive decisions in these areas. I'm contemplating the idea of a wiki to list school websites, class webpages, and technology-related policies. It seems to me that this could be a really valuable resource as other schools that are still catching up need to establish themselves technologically. Is there already a wiki somewhere that would appropriately host this? I would look at projects like schoolforge, eduforge, and k12opensource.com, except that those are all related to FOSS, and this really isn't... ATM it looks to me like some state departments of education have listed their schools (on a volunteer basis), but there's nothing obviously more comprehensive than that. Suggestions are welcome. Thanks, Matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You might find some material about this on the supportblogging.com wiki, as I put it up in response to DOPA and I think there are some good links there. > > Also, I expect that several of your schools are encouraging teachers > to maintain class web pages; can some of you respond to me and point > to some examples? Again, supportblogging.com is likely to have many of those, since they are put up as blogs. > > I'm hoping that your responses can help me provide good examples to > discourage other schools from making regressive decisions in these > areas. I think this is a good idea. > > I'm contemplating the idea of a wiki to list school websites, class > webpages, and technology-related policies. It seems to me that this > could be a really valuable resource as other schools that are still > catching up need to establish themselves technologically. Is there > already a wiki somewhere that would appropriately host this? I would > look at projects like schoolforge, eduforge, and k12opensource.com, > except that those are all related to FOSS, and this really isn't... > ATM it looks to me like some state departments of education have > listed their schools (on a volunteer basis), but there's nothing > obviously more comprehensive than that. This would be pretty easy to build, and I think you'd get a good response from the other ed tech lists in helping to build it. It does fall in the realm of the kind of projects I have been trying to sponsor (ed-tech related), and I'd be glad to help. Good idea, BTW. -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.K12OpenSource.com (Public Wiki) www.SupportBlogging.com (Public Wiki) From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Thu Aug 24 19:48:20 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:48:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] "Tiny sub-$100 PC runs Puppy Linux" In-Reply-To: <1156443640.5760.1.camel@tech-do-rrm.jcsdk12.org> References: <1156443640.5760.1.camel@tech-do-rrm.jcsdk12.org> Message-ID: <1156448900.13795.586.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 14:20 -0400, Bob McCaa wrote: > Saw this on DIGG > > http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6828123924.html > > "A Bangkok-based company is shipping a tiny, sub-$100 PC capable of > running Puppy and other lightweight Linux distributions. NorhTec's > MicroClient Jr. measures 4.5 inches square, draws 8 Watts, and has a > 166MHz Pentium-compatible processor with three integer units. It targets > thin-client, kiosk, and electronic signage applications." > > Might be nice for K12LTSP labs on a budget. With 128 MB RAM on board it would be an excellent K12LTSP box. Fanless, PXE boot, small, low power, low heat. Can't find in on the companies web site yet. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Aug 24 20:11:29 2006 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:11:29 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: what are your usage and Web publishing policies? In-Reply-To: <20060824190425.GA27171@majen.net> References: <20060824190425.GA27171@majen.net> Message-ID: <44EE07F1.5090302@rogers.com> Matt Oquist wrote: > I'm looking for some examples of non-Draconian computer usage > policies, and I'm also interested to know what policies, if any, your > schools have adopted for teachers publishing on the Web. I know some > schools are concerned about liability issues WRT teachers' webpages; > how have your schools responded to this "threat"? For well written best practice policies see: http://www.sans.org/resources/policies/ They can be easily tweaked to your needs but my not cover all the topics you mentioned. However policies include: Acceptable Encryption Policy Defines requirements for encryption algorithms used within the organization. Acceptable Use Policy Defines acceptable use of equipment and computing services, and the appropriate employee security measures to protect the organization's corporate resources and proprietary information. Analog/ISDN Line Policy Defines standards for use of analog/ISDN lines for Fax sending and receiving, and for connection to computers. Anti-Virus Process Defines guidelines for effectively reducing the threat of computer viruses on the organization's network. Application Service Provider Policy Defines minimum security criteria that an ASP must execute in order to be considered for use on a project by the organization. Application Service Provider Standards Outlines the minimum security standards for the ASP. This policy is referenced in the ASP Policy above. Acquisition Assessment Policy Defines responsibilities regarding corporate acquisitions, and defines the minimum requirements of an acquisition assessment to be completed by the information security group. Audit Vulnerability Scanning Policy Defines the requirements and provides the authority for the information security team to conduct audits and risk assessments to ensure integrity of information/resources, to investigate incidents, to ensure conformance to security policies, or to monitor user/system activity where appropriate. Automatically Forwarded Email Policy Documents the requirement that no email will be automatically forwarded to an external destination without prior approval from the appropriate manager or director. Database Credentials Coding Policy Defines requirements for securely storing and retrieving database usernames and passwords. Dial-in Access Policy Defines appropriate dial-in access and its use by authorized personnel. DMZ Lab Security Policy Defines standards for all networks and equipment deployed in labs located in the "Demilitarized Zone" or external network segments. E-mail Policy Defines standards to prevent tarnishing the public image of the organization. E-mail Retention The Email Retention Policy is intended to help employees determine what information sent or received by email should be retained and for how long. Ethics Policy Defines the means to establish a culture of openness, trust and integrity in business practices. Extranet Policy Defines the requirement that third party organizations requiring access to the organization's networks must sign a third-party connection agreement. Information Sensitivity Policy Defines the requirements for classifying and securing the organization's information in a manner appropriate to its sensitivity level. Internal Lab Security Policy Defines requirements for internal labs to ensure that confidential information and technologies are not compromised, and that production services and interests of the organization are protected from lab activities. Internet DMZ Equipment Policy Defines the standards to be met by all equipment owned and/or operated by the organization that is located outside the organization's Internet firewalls (the demilitarized zone or DMZ)). Lab Anti-Virus Policy Defines requirements which must be met by all computers connected to the organization's lab networks to ensure effective virus detection and prevention. Password Protection Policy Defines standards for creating, protecting, and changing strong passwords. Remote Access Policy Defines standards for connecting to the organization's network from any host or network external to the organization. Risk Assessment Policy Defines the requirements and provides the authority for the information security team to identify, assess, and remediate risks to the organization's information infrastructure associated with conducting business. Router Security Policy Defines standards for minimal security configuration for routers and switches inside a production network, or used in a production capacity. Server Security Policy Defines standards for minimal security configuration for servers inside the organization's production network, or used in a production capacity. The Third Party Network Connection Agreement Defines the standards and requirements, including legal requirements, needed in order to interconnect a third party organization's network to the production network. This agreement must be signed by both parties. VPN Security Policy Defines the requirements for Remote Access IPSec or L2TP Virtual Wireless Communication Policy Defines standards for wireless systems used to connect to the organization's networks. Tim From petre at maltzen.net Thu Aug 24 20:27:50 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:27:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Double Floppy folder when using USB drive on clients In-Reply-To: <20060819125133.7a247289@trunks> References: <20060819125133.7a247289@trunks> Message-ID: <44EE0BC6.8080606@maltzen.net> I see an Update 4 has been posted on the ltsp.org wiki (http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42). It mentions that one of the bugs it fixes is the extra floppy icon that appears when a USB stick is plugged in on the client. Also some fixes for esound (esd). Will this update be incorporated into the K12LTSP updates? Petre Wilson Chan wrote: > Anyone able to find out how to fix the double floppy drive icon on the desktop when using a usb drive on the clients? Im using K12LTSP v5.0 (64bit). I cant seem to find much in the logs except what you see below. Thanks! > > ==Screen Shot of Double Floppy Folder== > http://tinyurl.com/n6vk3 > > ==Screen Shot of Double Floppy Folder#2== > http://tinyurl.com/ohnul > > /var/log/messages > Aug 18 23:28:14 ws209 root: udev detected add of floppy > Aug 18 23:28:14 ws209 root: udev detected add of disk > > > Wilson > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From caldodge at gmail.com Thu Aug 24 20:53:07 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:53:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed In-Reply-To: References: <44EBA6F4.2030305@elp.rr.com> <20060823041142.M34287@winonacotter.org> <44EC7DBD.3010004@mesd.k12.or.us> <20060823165434.M5345@winonacotter.org> <1156422272.3258.10.camel@HodsonNet1> <824a5f7a0608240934k4c58b611obf8ec63ca08082bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0608241353k7850d01dx9805b447f2518305@mail.gmail.com> On 8/24/06, jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > I tried your command line for making things update. Here is what happened: > [snip] > Reading repository metadata in from local files > Could not find update match for ATrpms.net > No Packages marked for Update/Obsoletion Do you have a space between the quote marks in the "cut" portion of that one liner? What's the result of combining just the "rpm" and "grep commands when you run the following line? rpm -qa--queryformat "%{NAME} %{VENDOR}\n"|grep ATrpms Keep in mind that my one liner is intended only for updating existing ATrpms packages, not adding new ones, or debugging mplayer. What happens when you run mplayer from the command line? As in "mplayer FILENAME" Does that give you any error messages? Or did I lose track of things, and have you not installed mplayer yet? If so, what happens when you run the following? yum --enablerepo=at-stable -y install mplayer Calvin Calvin From caldodge at gmail.com Thu Aug 24 20:56:12 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:56:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed In-Reply-To: <824a5f7a0608241353k7850d01dx9805b447f2518305@mail.gmail.com> References: <44EBA6F4.2030305@elp.rr.com> <20060823041142.M34287@winonacotter.org> <44EC7DBD.3010004@mesd.k12.or.us> <20060823165434.M5345@winonacotter.org> <1156422272.3258.10.camel@HodsonNet1> <824a5f7a0608240934k4c58b611obf8ec63ca08082bb@mail.gmail.com> <824a5f7a0608241353k7850d01dx9805b447f2518305@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0608241356x5ada177bn76bc39d8dd9f16d2@mail.gmail.com> I really did lose track - I forgot a different email thread where John said he _had_ installed mplayer. So ignore most of my previous post. Pay attention only to this: What happens when you run mplayer from the command line? Are there any error messages? Calvin From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Thu Aug 24 21:23:12 2006 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:23:12 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] How much does NBD_SWAP use by default? Message-ID: <20060824112312.461c8adc@trunks> I enabled USE_NBD_SWAP = Y in the lts.conf and was wondering what the default swap file size is if we dont specify it? Also, is the NBD_SWAP using the server's RAM or just hdd space? Thanks! Wilson From rgm at htt-consult.com Thu Aug 24 21:08:40 2006 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:08:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: smbldap-installer reinstall failure (Robert Moskowitz) In-Reply-To: <20060824180434.GD24051@majen.net> References: <20060824150710.D8C067335D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44EE1558.20509@htt-consult.com> Going back to an earlier life: Chyrsler IT support circa Windows 3.0.... Matt Oquist wrote: >> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:59:55 -0400 >> From: "Robert Moskowitz" >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: smbldap-installer reinstall failure (Robert Moskowitz) >> > > >>> You should 'rm -rf /var/lib/ldap/*' before you re-run the >>> smbldap-installer. BEWARE! This deletes your current databases! (But >>> no the backups.) >>> >>> >> And I no longer have any database, it seems. the install fails. ldap >> won't start, the /var/lib/ldap directory is empty.... >> >> Is it time to just reinstall all of Centos???? >> > > That's probably the most direct route to a working system. We could > probably figure out how to fix it, but it's easier just to blow it > away. (This is the lesson taught to us all by Windows. "Why repair > when you can just restart?") I told my manager that one of the BEST features of Windows was the three finger salute. Why? It lowered user expectations. They EXPECTED the system to hang. No more of this 24x7 mainframe stuff..... From rgm at htt-consult.com Thu Aug 24 21:19:28 2006 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:19:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Got to rebulid -- how to take an image for checkpointing In-Reply-To: <20060824180434.GD24051@majen.net> References: <20060824150710.D8C067335D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44EE17E0.8080305@htt-consult.com> OK, Matt agrees with my assessment to rebuild.... I was in the habit with Win2000 to have GHOST images, so I could simply go back in time. It was really nice for test systems. So how can I take a real good snap shot of my drive. I would want something like GHOST where I would boot from CD and image to a USB harddrive or network drive.... From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Thu Aug 24 22:03:57 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:03:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: what are your usage and Web publishing policies? In-Reply-To: <20060824190425.GA27171@majen.net> References: <20060824190425.GA27171@majen.net> Message-ID: <44EE224D.7080609@sau14.k12.nh.us> Matt, Our teachers don't have teacher pages or class webpages. Our district website is strictly for informational purposes on what the district is doing and what each school is doing (events, announcements, etc.). Our teachers communicate information with parents and students through PowerSchool. -Paul Matt Oquist wrote: > I'm looking for some examples of non-Draconian computer usage > policies, and I'm also interested to know what policies, if any, your > schools have adopted for teachers publishing on the Web. I know some > schools are concerned about liability issues WRT teachers' webpages; > how have your schools responded to this "threat"? > > Also, I expect that several of your schools are encouraging teachers > to maintain class web pages; can some of you respond to me and point > to some examples? > > I'm hoping that your responses can help me provide good examples to > discourage other schools from making regressive decisions in these > areas. > > I'm contemplating the idea of a wiki to list school websites, class > webpages, and technology-related policies. It seems to me that this > could be a really valuable resource as other schools that are still > catching up need to establish themselves technologically. Is there > already a wiki somewhere that would appropriately host this? I would > look at projects like schoolforge, eduforge, and k12opensource.com, > except that those are all related to FOSS, and this really isn't... > ATM it looks to me like some state departments of education have > listed their schools (on a volunteer basis), but there's nothing > obviously more comprehensive than that. > > Suggestions are welcome. > > Thanks, > Matt > > -- > Open Source Software Engineering Consultant > http://majen.net/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Paul VanGundy Director of Technology Epping School District P: 603.679.8003 x105 F: 603.679.2196 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Thu Aug 24 22:21:54 2006 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:21:54 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Double Floppy folder when using USB drive on clients In-Reply-To: <44EE0BC6.8080606@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20060824122154.66d553ee@trunks> > I see an Update 4 has been posted on the ltsp.org wiki > (http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42). It mentions that one of the > bugs it > fixes is the extra floppy icon that appears when a USB stick is plugged in on > the > client. Also some fixes for esound (esd). Will this update be incorporated > into the > K12LTSP updates? > > Petre > Just checked my server running v5.0 and it looks like K12LTSP is only running 4.4.2 on the updates. This is assuming this is the correct package (k12ltsp-utils-4.4.2-1) for the updates. k12ltsp-backgrounds-4.4.0-0 k12ltsp-core-5.0.0-4 k12ltsp-education-5.0.0-1 k12ltsp-extras-5.0.0-1 k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0d k12ltsp-scripts-0.0.1-0.4.2 k12ltsp-utils-4.4.2-1 -Wilson From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Thu Aug 24 23:50:14 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:50:14 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap error Message-ID: When I run the following command I get the following message. Is there something I have to fix? I have been having problems with authentication this morning but it seems to be working after I restarted xinet. I don't know why. (ncsd is not running.) [root at k12ltsp ~]# smbldap-usershow ? No such object at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/smbldap_tools.pm line 772. Previous to restarting xinet this command just hung. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Aug 25 00:33:30 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:33:30 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Got to rebulid -- how to take an image for checkpointing Message-ID: <082520060033.2686.44EE455A000684AF00000A7E22073000339C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Would mondo/mindi do what you want? Sincerely, Dave Hopkins -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Robert Moskowitz" > OK, Matt agrees with my assessment to rebuild.... > > I was in the habit with Win2000 to have GHOST images, so I could simply > go back in time. It was really nice for test systems. > > So how can I take a real good snap shot of my drive. I would want > something like GHOST where I would boot from CD and image to a USB > harddrive or network drive.... > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mel at melwade.com Fri Aug 25 00:58:07 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:58:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Got to rebulid -- how to take an image for checkpointing In-Reply-To: <082520060033.2686.44EE455A000684AF00000A7E22073000339C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <082520060033.2686.44EE455A000684AF00000A7E22073000339C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43080f460608241758h173a2fa0n91880339179bf163@mail.gmail.com> If you use VMware's Virtual server this is real easy... -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They don't seem to show up as viable printers on the server, but all the clients want to print to them. I have double and triple instances of printers. Also, how can I set all clients to default to 1280x1024 but with large fonts and icons? Can I set this globally? Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nathan at grandvache.com Fri Aug 25 03:36:00 2006 From: nathan at grandvache.com (nathan at grandvache.com) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:36:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Gnome power management issues Message-ID: <200608250336.k7P3aAs8001718@txslsmtp1.vzwmail.net> This may have been covered recently - but it's hard to google the list in it's new display mode - my apologies for any "overlap". After installing 5.0 (which seems to be working quite well - nice work all) we keep seeing a "gnome power manager" application unexpectly quit. I've yum updated the servers, but there doesn't seem to be a fix in that. Is there a way around this - or even to shut the desktop manager off? Since DPMS is powering down the monitors, there doesn't seem to be a need for the application. Thanks in advance for the help - Nathan Shaffer nshaffer at sja.pvt.k12.or.us From rgm at htt-consult.com Fri Aug 25 03:52:41 2006 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:52:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Got to rebulid -- how to take an image for checkpointing In-Reply-To: <43080f460608241758h173a2fa0n91880339179bf163@mail.gmail.com> References: <082520060033.2686.44EE455A000684AF00000A7E22073000339C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <44EE7409.1040502@htt-consult.com> Mel Wade wrote: > If you use VMware's Virtual server this is real easy... I don't see VMware as a solution to my setup. This is for my PDC; replacing my old NT PDC. From rgm at htt-consult.com Fri Aug 25 03:53:11 2006 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:53:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Got to rebulid -- how to take an image for checkpointing In-Reply-To: <082520060033.2686.44EE455A000684AF00000A7E22073000339C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <082520060033.2686.44EE455A000684AF00000A7E22073000339C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <44EE7427.7010208@htt-consult.com> dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Would mondo/mindi do what you want? > I will have to find out what mondo/mindi is.... From les at futuresource.com Fri Aug 25 04:11:03 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:11:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Got to rebulid -- how to take an image for checkpointing In-Reply-To: <44EE7409.1040502@htt-consult.com> References: <082520060033.2686.44EE455A000684AF00000A7E22073000339C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <44EE7409.1040502@htt-consult.com> Message-ID: <1156479063.3369.21.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 22:52, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > If you use VMware's Virtual server this is real easy... > I don't see VMware as a solution to my setup. This is for my PDC; > replacing my old NT PDC. If you are using LDAP you probably should let it replicate to a 2nd server so you don't have to wait for a restore if the primary fails. But, you should learn how to copy your filesystems with tar and and make a new system bootable too. It isn't difficult and it is easier to learn before you need it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From theweaver at tiscali.co.uk Fri Aug 25 09:01:40 2006 From: theweaver at tiscali.co.uk (theweaver at tiscali.co.uk) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 10:01:40 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Keeps Crashing Message-ID: <44DA11AA00041CE3@mail-2-uk.mail.tiscali.sys> Hi The client acts normally until I try to do anything then shortly after it crashes my swap is set as no 2 i.e. 1st partition is the boot 2nd is the swap file which is 1024mb and lastly is my main partition which is around 75gigis. Would this order have and impact on my client crashing. What would the perfect server specifications be for one server and 10 diskless clients the spec for my computer is? My server HAS and Intel Celeron 2.40gig cpu with two 10/100 Realtek NIC, 512mb ram, 80gig hard drive my client is a IBM T21 Laptop which boots fine, however as soon as I open a text or browse the internet it crashes in fact anything I do it crashes, any idea as to why? The laptop works fine in windows or not as a diskless. ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Aug 25 09:08:26 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:38:26 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Keeps Crashing In-Reply-To: <44DA11AA00041CE3@mail-2-uk.mail.tiscali.sys> References: <44DA11AA00041CE3@mail-2-uk.mail.tiscali.sys> Message-ID: <774593a20608250208g24838622l20d90068614f3b81@mail.gmail.com> On 25/08/06, theweaver at tiscali.co.uk wrote: > The client acts normally until I try to do anything then shortly after it > crashes my swap is set as no 2 i.e. 1st partition is the boot 2nd is the > swap file which is 1024mb and lastly is my main partition which is around > 75gigis. This swap is used by server. Clients use swap only if swap parameters are set in the lts.conf file. > Would this order have and impact on my client crashing. What would the perfect > server specifications be for one server and 10 diskless clients the spec > for my computer is? > > My server HAS and Intel Celeron 2.40gig cpu with two > 10/100 Realtek NIC, 512mb ram, 80gig hard drive my client is a IBM T21 Laptop > which boots fine, however as soon as I open a text or browse the internet > it crashes in fact anything I do it crashes, any idea as to why? The laptop > works fine in windows or > not as a diskless. > You need atleast 1GB RAM. Laptop as client is not dependent on local resources and that is while it works okay on stand alone basis it may still have a problem. Normally the laptop should have sufficient memory but you have not emntioned how much RAM it has. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Fri Aug 25 12:08:56 2006 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:08:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Adobe Plugin in K12LTSP 5.0.0 Message-ID: <200608250808.56444.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Hi folks, I used the 'install additional software' > 'Get Acrobat Reader' to install Adobe on a K12LTSP 5.0. server. I am running on the Gnome desktop. When I launch a browser as root to test pdf files they are being opened by the gnome viewer rather the appearing in the adobe plugin within the web browser window. What do I have to change/do to get Acrobat working correctly -- Thanks, John From nils at breun.nl Fri Aug 25 12:16:28 2006 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:16:28 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Adobe Plugin in K12LTSP 5.0.0 In-Reply-To: <200608250808.56444.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> References: <200608250808.56444.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: John Hansknecht wrote: > I used the 'install additional software' > 'Get Acrobat Reader' to > install > Adobe on a K12LTSP 5.0. server. I am running on the Gnome desktop. > When I > launch a browser as root to test pdf files they are being opened by > the gnome > viewer rather the appearing in the adobe plugin within the web browser > window. What do I have to change/do to get Acrobat working correctly If you installed the same package as mentioned on http:// www.fedorafaq.org/#pdf maybe you need to do something like this: ln -s /usr/local/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so /usr/ lib/mozilla/plugins/ It could be that your nppdf.so is located somewhere else. Nils Breunese. From rgm at htt-consult.com Fri Aug 25 12:34:51 2006 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:34:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Got to rebulid -- how to take an image for checkpointing In-Reply-To: <1156479063.3369.21.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <082520060033.2686.44EE455A000684AF00000A7E22073000339C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <44EEEE6B.7070203@htt-consult.com> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 22:52, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > >>> If you use VMware's Virtual server this is real easy... >>> >> I don't see VMware as a solution to my setup. This is for my PDC; >> replacing my old NT PDC. >> > > If you are using LDAP you probably should let it replicate to > a 2nd server so you don't have to wait for a restore if the > primary fails. Oh, there will be a BDC as well. Along with a WINS server or two! And all this on my home network (I have 64 public addresses highly subnetted along with private addresses), but then it is my home office and test network... > But, you should learn how to copy your filesystems > with tar and and make a new system bootable too. It isn't > difficult and it is easier to learn before you need it. > Yeah, I really have to work through a TAR howto. Know a good one? From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 12:55:36 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 05:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer pdc option: import read failed SOLVED! In-Reply-To: <20060823125224.98798.qmail@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060825125536.38407.qmail@web31614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The smbldap stuff is all working now. Yay! Here's what ended up working: 1) Ran "./smbldap pdc" on the PDC. After it ssh'd into the BDC computer, it failed (trying to download packages, I think). 2) Ran "./smbldap bdc" on the BDC, using the smbldap-installer copied over to it during step #1. 3) Success! We've now got single sign-on when connecting to either server. Really cool. This morning, I setup a third K12LSTP as an ldap client. Single sign-on there, too. Now I just have to get Windows profiles to stop roaming (Saturday's project). David Whitmer Calvary Schools of Holland, Michigan ----- Original Message ---- From: David Whitmer To: Support list for opensource software in schools Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:52:24 AM Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer pdc option: import read failed Hi, everyone! I'm having trouble running the smbldap-installer with the pdc option. I've already set up a PDC using the installer (with the "all" option). Now I'm running the installer on the PDC with the "pdc" option so I can get a BDC setup. Everything seems to work okay until the installer connects to my BDC and begins running the remainder of the installer from there. After it asks what distro the BDC is using (I answer k12ltsp-5), I get the following: Trying to install packages from the Internet... error: /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY: import read failed(-1). Killed by signal 2. {this is after I press ctrl-c} Unable to configure 192.168.1.3 as LDAP slave and BDC: 65280 (192.168.1.2 is the PDC, 192.168.1.3 will be the BDC.) I should mention that, before running the installer with the "pdc" option on our PDC, I'd been trying to run the installer on our BDC with the "bdc" option. But that had failed (I'm assuming because I should've been running the "pdc" option on the PDC.) Also, Internet access does work okay, as does running yum from a shell. Does anyone have any ideas on what I should do? Thanks in advance! David Whitmer Calvary Schools of Holland, Michigan _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Fri Aug 25 13:02:33 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:02:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Gnome power management issues In-Reply-To: <200608250336.k7P3aAs8001718@txslsmtp1.vzwmail.net> References: <200608250336.k7P3aAs8001718@txslsmtp1.vzwmail.net> Message-ID: <44EEF4E9.5010107@maltzen.net> service apcid stop chkconfig --level 345 apcid off Theoretically, this should prevent apcid, which is the daemon that supports Gnome Power Manager, from being loaded on the client. But it didn't work for me, and I was still getting those same 'gnome power manager failure' errors. So, I just removed the package: rpm -e gnome-power-manager I've had no problems since. Petre nathan at grandvache.com wrote: > This may have been covered recently - but it's hard to google the list in it's new display mode - my apologies for any "overlap". > > After installing 5.0 (which seems to be working quite well - nice work all) we keep seeing a "gnome power manager" application unexpectly quit. I've yum updated the servers, but there doesn't seem to be a fix in that. Is there a way around this - or even to shut the desktop manager off? Since DPMS is powering down the monitors, there doesn't seem to be a need for the application. > > Thanks in advance for the help - > Nathan Shaffer > nshaffer at sja.pvt.k12.or.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From moquist at majen.net Fri Aug 25 18:05:50 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:05:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: smbldap-installer pdc option: import read failed SOLVED! (David Whitmer) In-Reply-To: <20060825160022.4A0F7734C8@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060825160022.4A0F7734C8@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060825180550.GE14143@majen.net> > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 05:55:36 -0700 (PDT) > From: David Whitmer > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer pdc option: import read failed SOLVED! > > The smbldap stuff is all working now. Yay! > > Here's what ended up working: > 1) Ran "./smbldap pdc" on the PDC. After it ssh'd into the BDC computer, it failed (trying to download packages, I think). > 2) Ran "./smbldap bdc" on the BDC, using the smbldap-installer copied over to it during step #1. > 3) Success! > > We've now got single sign-on when connecting to either server. Really cool. This morning, I setup a third K12LSTP as an ldap client. Single sign-on there, too. Now I just have to get Windows profiles to stop roaming (Saturday's project). Good job - you did just the right thing! Can you add anything to the documentation about this process? I'm thinking particularly of this page: http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/replication --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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After it ssh'd into the BDC computer, it failed (trying to download packages, I think). > > 2) Ran "./smbldap bdc" on the BDC, using the smbldap-installer copied over to it during step #1. > > 3) Success! > > > > We've now got single sign-on when connecting to either server. Really cool. This morning, I setup a third K12LSTP as an ldap client. Single sign-on there, too. Now I just have to get Windows profiles to stop roaming (Saturday's project). > > Good job - you did just the right thing! > > Can you add anything to the documentation about this process? > > I'm thinking particularly of this page: > http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/replication > > --matt Matt, Sure, I don't mind updating the wiki. I'll try to do that this weekend. I do have a question about my process, though. In step #1 above, when running "./smbldap pdc", is it normal for it to fail after it ssh's into the BDC computer and tries to continue running from there? (thus needing to run "./smbldap bdc" directly on the BDC itself) David Whitmer Calvary Schools of Holland, Michigan From moquist at majen.net Fri Aug 25 18:30:01 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:30:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Got to rebulid -- how to take an image for checkpointing (Robert Moskowitz) In-Reply-To: <20060825090200.8354F73103@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060825090200.8354F73103@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060825183001.GF14143@majen.net> > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:19:28 -0400 > From: "Robert Moskowitz" > Subject: [K12OSN] Got to rebulid -- how to take an image for checkpointing > > I was in the habit with Win2000 to have GHOST images, so I could simply > go back in time. It was really nice for test systems. > > So how can I take a real good snap shot of my drive. I would want > something like GHOST where I would boot from CD and image to a USB > harddrive or network drive.... With a (p)OS like Windows(TM), you need a "ghosting" program because the system has loads of secret binary data that keep it from working if you just copy the filesystem contents of the OS to another system. Thankfully, Linux is part of the UNIX tradition and the entire system is portable. 1. To create a complete, compressed, ready-to-roll system backup on a remote system: $ cd / $ tar czvf - / | ssh user at remotehost "cat > systembackup.tgz" 2. Or, if you like rsync and the compression of the backup isn't important to you: $ ssh root at remotehost "mkdir /root/systembackup" $ rsync -avuessh --exclude=/proc** --exclude=/sys** / root at remotehost:systembackup #2 is also a way to duplicate a running system to another system... so if you rsync to a fresh partition on the remotehost you can then boot that partition and you'll be up and running. Of course, you may want to change your network settings and hostname on a duplicated host, and you can't boot unless you have a bootloader installed and configured. There are all kinds of ways to restore from either #1 or #2, all of which will involve some form of copying the backed-up data onto a fresh partition, ensuring your bootloader is installed and configured, and booting your new-again system. My favorite way to do this (harkening back to my Gentoo days) is to boot a liveCD (pick a liveCD, any liveCD!), get a command line, use fdisk, mkfs.ext3, and swapon to prepare my new system, make sure sshd is running on the liveCD system (or use it as the ssh client depending on the availability of 'rsync'), rsync or tar the backup onto my new system, chroot into the new-again root filesystem and install grub (the bootloader), reboot the liveCD system and take out the CD -- presto! I used this method to move a single installation of Gentoo from my original laptop through the next two laptops I had, all without reinstalling. (This is meaningful when you run Gentoo...) Linux isn't proprietary so there's no need for superstition - ghosting is unnecessary. I've never explored Mondo/mindi myself, but I expect that it must be doing some automation of what I've just described here. Going through this process is well worth your time; you'll learn more about your system and it'll make you better at troubleshooting any Linux system. (In fact, I still recommend running Gentoo for a while if you haven't before, for exactly this reason.) --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Pat [root at server ~]# gmplayer %f MPlayer 1.0pre8-4.1.1 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) processor (Family: 6, Model: 4, Stepping: 2) CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 1 3DNow2: 1 SSE: 0 SSE2: 0 93 audio & 211 video codecs Opening joystick device /dev/input/js0 Can't open joystick device /dev/input/js0: No such file or directory Can't init input joystick Setting up LIRC support... mplayer: could not connect to socket mplayer: No such file or directory Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control. [skin] file ( /usr/share/mplayer/Skin/default/skin ) not found. Skin not found (default). ----- Original Message ----- From: Calvin Dodge Date: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:57 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > I really did lose track - I forgot a different email thread where John > said he _had_ installed mplayer. > > So ignore most of my previous post. Pay attention only to this: > > What happens when you run mplayer from the command line? Are there any > error messages? > > Calvin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Fri Aug 25 20:57:10 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:57:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Got to rebulid -- how to take an image for checkpointing In-Reply-To: <44EEEE6B.7070203@htt-consult.com> References: <082520060033.2686.44EE455A000684AF00000A7E22073000339C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <44EEEE6B.7070203@htt-consult.com> Message-ID: <1156539431.28371.150.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2006-08-25 at 08:34 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > But, you should learn how to copy your filesystems > > with tar and and make a new system bootable too. It isn't > > difficult and it is easier to learn before you need it. > > > Yeah, I really have to work through a TAR howto. Know a good one? Tar isn't much of an issue. The tar commands you need are tar --one-file-system -cvf tarfile.tar source to save a filesystem and tar -pxvf tarfile.tar to restore it, where --one-file-system means you need to do each mounted filesystem separately, -c means create a tar image, -v is verbose -f means the image file follows, and source should generally be '.' (meaning current directory after you have cd'd there). On the restore side -p means keep the old permissions and again you should cd to the right place first. The complicated parts are the many ways you can access the image and what you have to do to make it work on a new machine. Note that you wouldn't really create tarfile.tar in the directory you are copying - it might be a path over an NFS mount or some other media, or it might be '-' to mean stdout which you have piped through ssh to a remote cat command. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From rgm at htt-consult.com Fri Aug 25 22:21:01 2006 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:21:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Got to rebulid -- how to take an image for checkpointing In-Reply-To: <1156539431.28371.150.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <082520060033.2686.44EE455A000684AF00000A7E22073000339C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <44EF77CD.1040500@htt-consult.com> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-08-25 at 08:34 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > >>> But, you should learn how to copy your filesystems >>> with tar and and make a new system bootable too. It isn't >>> difficult and it is easier to learn before you need it. >>> >>> >> Yeah, I really have to work through a TAR howto. Know a good one? >> > > Tar isn't much of an issue. The tar commands you need are > > Thanks Les, Matt supplied a very good guideline for starters. I really like that SSH approach to put the tar on another system. Such a simple backup method. After years of working with the fellows that first created SSH (I cochaired IPsec and got the RFCs out, and worked with them then), I am finally learning more than the little bit of tunnelling I had been doing, and using Tero's Win client for so long. > tar --one-file-system -cvf tarfile.tar source > to save a filesystem and > tar -pxvf tarfile.tar > to restore it, where > --one-file-system means you need to do each mounted filesystem > separately, -c means create a tar image, -v is verbose -f means > the image file follows, and source should generally be '.' (meaning > current directory after you have cd'd there). On the restore side > -p means keep the old permissions and again you should cd to the > right place first. > > The complicated parts are the many ways you can access the > image and what you have to do to make it work on a new machine. Note > that you wouldn't really create tarfile.tar in the directory you > are copying - it might be a path over an NFS mount or some other > media, or it might be '-' to mean stdout which you have piped > through ssh to a remote cat command. > > From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sat Aug 26 00:33:22 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:33:22 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed In-Reply-To: References: <44EBA6F4.2030305@elp.rr.com> <44EC7DBD.3010004@mesd.k12.or.us> <20060823165434.M5345@winonacotter.org> <1156422272.3258.10.camel@HodsonNet1> <824a5f7a0608240934k4c58b611obf8ec63ca08082bb@mail.gmail.com> <824a5f7a0608241353k7850d01dx9805b447f2518305@mail.gmail.com> <824a5f7a0608241356x5ada177bn76bc39d8dd9f16d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You need to copy a skin into /usr/share/mplayer/Skin/ and name it default. On 26/08/06, jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > I ran mplayer in terminal and this is the output. It looks like to me > that something must be missing. > > Thanks > Pat > > [root at server ~]# gmplayer %f > MPlayer 1.0pre8-4.1.1 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team > CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) processor (Family: 6, Model: 4, Stepping: 2) > CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 1 3DNow2: 1 SSE: 0 SSE2: 0 > > > 93 audio & 211 video codecs > Opening joystick device /dev/input/js0 > Can't open joystick device /dev/input/js0: No such file or directory > Can't init input joystick > Setting up LIRC support... > mplayer: could not connect to socket > mplayer: No such file or directory > Failed to open LIRC support. > You will not be able to use your remote control. > [skin] file ( /usr/share/mplayer/Skin/default/skin ) not found. > Skin not found (default). > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Calvin Dodge > Date: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:57 pm > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > > I really did lose track - I forgot a different email thread where John > > said he _had_ installed mplayer. > > > > So ignore most of my previous post. Pay attention only to this: > > > > What happens when you run mplayer from the command line? Are there any > > error messages? > > > > Calvin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toddobryan at mac.com Sat Aug 26 00:44:20 2006 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:44:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Lab of Linux machines Message-ID: <9769B862-C564-46D1-96D7-22ED33C0DC05@mac.com> I've decided to throw off the yoke of Windows in my lab. For obvious reasons, I'd love to use thin clients, but don't have a server powerful enough, and the machines are actually plenty powerful enough to run independently. Does anyone know of a good howto for setting up a lab that explains how to avoid problems keeping the machines in sync in terms of software, accounts, etc., and talks about how to to set up a shared home directory? Thanks, Todd From hick518 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 26 01:10:29 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Lab of Linux machines In-Reply-To: <9769B862-C564-46D1-96D7-22ED33C0DC05@mac.com> Message-ID: <20060826011029.45140.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here's an interesting article showing how to make a list of software that is installed on your machine, so you can re-install it all in one shot if needed. I suppose it would also work to install that same software on a different machine (running the same OS). http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-get-list-installed-software-reinstallation-restore.html Fedora and RedHat have a kickstart utility (I think that's what it's called) to help you automate installations. Once you've got all your machines w/ the same software installed, keeping them the same is easy. Either don't perform any updates, or perform updates on all of them (possibly with a cron job). Another possibility is to create a local repository with all the software you want installed on your lab machines. Then you can tell the machines to get all their software from your local repository. I'm not sure how you'd go about telling the machines to install everything on that repository, but I imagine it can be done. -Rob --- Todd O'Bryan wrote: > I've decided to throw off the yoke of Windows in my > lab. For obvious > reasons, I'd love to use thin clients, but don't > have a server > powerful enough, and the machines are actually > plenty powerful enough > to run independently. > > Does anyone know of a good howto for setting up a > lab that explains > how to avoid problems keeping the machines in sync > in terms of > software, accounts, etc., and talks about how to to > set up a shared > home directory? > > Thanks, > Todd > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 26 01:15:58 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How much does NBD_SWAP use by default? In-Reply-To: <20060824112312.461c8adc@trunks> Message-ID: <20060826011558.16132.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Are you talking about USE_NFS_SWAP ? If so, the default is 64 MB. See this page: http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1-en.html It uses hard drive space on the server, not RAM. -Rob --- Wilson Chan wrote: > I enabled USE_NBD_SWAP = Y in the lts.conf and was > wondering what the default swap file size is if we > dont specify it? > > Also, is the NBD_SWAP using the server's RAM or just > hdd space? Thanks! > > > Wilson > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From caldodge at gmail.com Sat Aug 26 02:58:07 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:58:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed In-Reply-To: References: <44EBA6F4.2030305@elp.rr.com> <44EC7DBD.3010004@mesd.k12.or.us> <20060823165434.M5345@winonacotter.org> <1156422272.3258.10.camel@HodsonNet1> <824a5f7a0608240934k4c58b611obf8ec63ca08082bb@mail.gmail.com> <824a5f7a0608241353k7850d01dx9805b447f2518305@mail.gmail.com> <824a5f7a0608241356x5ada177bn76bc39d8dd9f16d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0608251958nc21b742ta3995f4fc663853b@mail.gmail.com> On 8/25/06, jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > I ran mplayer in terminal and this is the output. It looks like to me > that something must be missing. Is mplayer-skins installed? If not, run "yum --enablerepo=at-stable -y install mplayer-skins" Calvin From tkathan at charter.net Sat Aug 26 05:39:24 2006 From: tkathan at charter.net (Jim Kathan) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:39:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] FW: printers and default settings? Message-ID: <000001c6c8d1$fe360130$4000a8c0@themm> How can I remove old "ghost" printers? They don't seem to show up as viable printers on the server, but all the clients want to print to them. I have double and triple instances of printers. Also, how can I set all clients to default to 1280x1024 but with large fonts and icons? Can I set this globally? Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Sat Aug 26 06:26:40 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 01:26:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Lab of Linux machines In-Reply-To: <9769B862-C564-46D1-96D7-22ED33C0DC05@mac.com> References: <9769B862-C564-46D1-96D7-22ED33C0DC05@mac.com> Message-ID: <1156573600.12189.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2006-08-25 at 19:44, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > I've decided to throw off the yoke of Windows in my lab. For obvious > reasons, I'd love to use thin clients, but don't have a server > powerful enough, and the machines are actually plenty powerful enough > to run independently. > > Does anyone know of a good howto for setting up a lab that explains > how to avoid problems keeping the machines in sync in terms of > software, accounts, etc., and talks about how to to set up a shared > home directory? The samba/ldap scheme discussed here often will work as well with standalone installations as thin clients. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From theweaver at tiscali.co.uk Sat Aug 26 09:50:52 2006 From: theweaver at tiscali.co.uk (theweaver at tiscali.co.uk) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:50:52 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Updates Problem Message-ID: <44EF11220000244C@mail-3-uk.mail.tiscali.sys> Please can someone help, I log on as root and try to do yum updates but all that happens is it goes to K12LTSP?s website and fails then it goes to another mirror of theirs and also fails. Please can someone tell me how to get these updates in a simple step by step format as there only seems to be one choice and these are only at K12LTSP?S website? Thank you Mark ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ From theweaver at tiscali.co.uk Sat Aug 26 10:01:00 2006 From: theweaver at tiscali.co.uk (theweaver at tiscali.co.uk) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:01:00 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] My Client Keeps Crashing Message-ID: <44EF1122000024CD@mail-3-uk.mail.tiscali.sys> On 25/08/06, theweaver at tiscali.co.uk wrote: > The client acts normally until I try to do anything then shortly after it > crashes my swap is set as no 2 i.e. 1st partition is the boot 2nd is the > swap file which is 1024mb and lastly is my main partition which is around > 75gigis. This swap is used by server. Clients use swap only if swap parameters are set in the lts.conf file. > Would this order have and impact on my client crashing. What would the perfect > server specifications be for one server and 10 diskless clients the spec > for my computer is? > > My server HAS and Intel Celeron 2.40gig cpu with two > 10/100 Realtek NIC, 512mb ram, 80gig hard drive my client is a IBM T21 Laptop > which boots fine, however as soon as I open a text or browse the internet > it crashes in fact anything I do it crashes, any idea as to why? The laptop > works fine in windows or > not as a diskless. > You need atleast 1GB RAM. Laptop as client is not dependent on local resources and that is while it works okay on stand alone basis it may still have a problem. Normally the laptop should have sufficient memory but you have not emntioned how much RAM it has. -- Regards, Thank you for your help so far. My laptop has 128mb of ram and a p3 800, It was only a test to see how diskless worked, Please can you give me some tips on a perfect on a good server client setup, I plan to have a server with 10 clients and would like it to run smoothly. Thanks again Mark ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Sat Aug 26 11:34:19 2006 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 07:34:19 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] Re: [K12OSN] Adobe Plugin in K12LTSP 5.0.0 In-Reply-To: References: <200608250808.56444.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: <200608260734.19400.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Friday 25 August 2006 08:16, Nils Breunese wrote: > If you installed the same package as mentioned on http:// > www.fedorafaq.org/#pdf maybe you need to do something like this: > > ln -s /usr/local/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so /usr/ > lib/mozilla/plugins/ > > It could be that your nppdf.so is located somewhere else. > OK, I used the install Acrobat Reader tool from the desktop of root, and when I check it appears that ln -s /usr/local/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so /usr/ is not there. Is this a bug in K12LTSP 5.0? Did Adobe change the default install location? Or?? -- Thanks, John From nils at breun.nl Sat Aug 26 12:50:30 2006 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:50:30 +0200 Subject: [ok-mail] Re: [K12OSN] Adobe Plugin in K12LTSP 5.0.0 In-Reply-To: <200608260734.19400.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> References: <200608250808.56444.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> <200608260734.19400.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: <912CD42B-EECF-4203-AA1B-18A0D63C0364@breun.nl> John Hansknecht wrote: > On Friday 25 August 2006 08:16, Nils Breunese wrote: >> If you installed the same package as mentioned on http:// >> www.fedorafaq.org/#pdf maybe you need to do something like this: >> >> ln -s /usr/local/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so /usr/ >> lib/mozilla/plugins/ >> >> It could be that your nppdf.so is located somewhere else. >> > > OK, I used the install Acrobat Reader tool from the desktop of > root, and when > I check it appears that ln > -s /usr/local/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Browser/intellinux/nppdf.so /usr/ is > not > there. Is this a bug in K12LTSP 5.0? Did Adobe change the default > install > location? Or?? I don't have a K12LTSP 5.0 server to check what package you installed, but I also think you didn't understand me completely. Everything from ln -s to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ is one command and is not something that can be 'not there'. That command symlinks the nppdf.so file from the Adobe Reader package into Mozilla's plugin directory so your webbrowser can use it. I'm guessing that the nppdf.so file is not in the same location I posted in this example command. Maybe someone who has a K12LTSP 5.0 server at hand can tell you where to find th nppdf.so file. Or you can use find (or locate after running updatedb) to locate the nppdf.so file. If you know the package name you can use "rpm -ql | grep nppdf.so" to find the location. Nils Breunese. From dahopkins at comcast.net Sat Aug 26 15:42:25 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:42:25 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Got to rebulid -- how to take an image for checkpointing Message-ID: <082620061542.21667.44F06BE1000442CC000054A322058864429C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> The description of mondo is at http://www.mondorescue.org/about.shtml A while back, it was hot topic on the list as a solution for disaster recovery. Dave Hopkins -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Robert Moskowitz" > dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > Would mondo/mindi do what you want? > > > I will have to find out what mondo/mindi is.... > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From moquist at majen.net Sat Aug 26 17:51:59 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:51:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: smbldap-installer pdc option: import read failed SOLVED! (David Whitmer) In-Reply-To: <20060826160021.584CE7327F@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060826160021.584CE7327F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060826175159.GA2501@majen.net> > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:17:02 -0700 (PDT) > From: David Whitmer > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: smbldap-installer pdc option: import read failed SOLVED! (David Whitmer) > Sure, I don't mind updating the wiki. I'll try to do that this weekend. Great! > In step #1 above, when running "./smbldap pdc", is it normal for it to fail after it ssh's into the BDC computer and tries to continue running from there? (thus needing to run "./smbldap bdc" directly on the BDC itself) Of course not. :) But you said you thought the download had simply failed, and that's not a problem I can fix (I'm betting you're running Fedora), and you did exactly the right thing given that you had that problem. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From moquist at majen.net Sat Aug 26 18:10:38 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:10:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] re: Got to rebulid -- how to take an image for checkpointing (Robert Moskowitz) (Matt Oquist) In-Reply-To: <20060826160021.584CE7327F@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060826160021.584CE7327F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060826181038.GB2501@majen.net> I knew I would forget something... /proc *must* exist on your restored system before it will boot. So when you restore, you must also do this: If you're in the chroot of your new / partition: $ mkdir /proc In a non-chroot shell on a LiveCD: $ mkdir /mnt/newroot/proc (This assumes you've created your new / partition and mounted it to /mnt/newroot.) /dev can also cause confusion. It must exist just like /proc must exist, and depending on whether your system is using udev or devfs it'll behave differently if you boot the system with device special files pre-existing in there. It's my habit to wipe out everything under /dev on a restored system: in a chroot: $ rm -rf /dev/* In a non-chroot shell on a LiveCD: $ rm -rf /mnt/newroot/dev/* I'm sure I've forgotten some other details, too. More tar Trivia: Here's a way to change the remote destination directory of your tarball, while we're still in the neighborhood of the subject: $ tar czvf - / | ssh user at remotehost "cd /some/other/directory; cat > systembackup.tgz" And here's a way to accomplish the same thing rsync accomplishes, without rsync's ability to minimize network traffic: $ tar czf - / | ssh root at remotehost "cd /some/other/directory; tar xzvf -" Note that I took the 'v' out of the first tar command and put it in the second; if you put it in both you'll get twice the output on your console, and what you really care to know is that all the files end up on the remote side, hence the 'v' on remotehost. Also, keep in mind that in this last example I'm sshing as ROOT at remotehost. This matters because the ownership and permissions of the transferred files will be correct in my backup. If you rsync (or dual-tar) as a normal user on remotehost, your system files will all be owned by some user other than root, and your restore will not be feasible without a *TON* of chowning and chmodding work that I've never even bothered to attempt. Also, all of these things can be automated in your crontab; I use nightly rsync backups, personally. --matt > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:30:01 -0400 > From: Matt Oquist > Subject: [K12OSN] Got to rebulid -- how to take an image for checkpointing (Robert Moskowitz) > > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:19:28 -0400 > > From: "Robert Moskowitz" > > Subject: [K12OSN] Got to rebulid -- how to take an image for checkpointing > > > > I was in the habit with Win2000 to have GHOST images, so I could simply > > go back in time. It was really nice for test systems. > > > > So how can I take a real good snap shot of my drive. I would want > > something like GHOST where I would boot from CD and image to a USB > > harddrive or network drive.... > > With a (p)OS like Windows(TM), you need a "ghosting" program because > the system has loads of secret binary data that keep it from working > if you just copy the filesystem contents of the OS to another system. > Thankfully, Linux is part of the UNIX tradition and the entire system > is portable. > > 1. To create a complete, compressed, ready-to-roll system backup on a remote system: > $ cd / > $ tar czvf - / | ssh user at remotehost "cat > systembackup.tgz" > > 2. Or, if you like rsync and the compression of the backup isn't important to you: > $ ssh root at remotehost "mkdir /root/systembackup" > $ rsync -avuessh --exclude=/proc** --exclude=/sys** / root at remotehost:systembackup > > #2 is also a way to duplicate a running system to another system... so > if you rsync to a fresh partition on the remotehost you can then boot > that partition and you'll be up and running. > > Of course, you may want to change your network settings and hostname > on a duplicated host, and you can't boot unless you have a bootloader > installed and configured. > > There are all kinds of ways to restore from either #1 or #2, all of > which will involve some form of copying the backed-up data onto > a fresh partition, ensuring your bootloader is installed and > configured, and booting your new-again system. > > My favorite way to do this (harkening back to my Gentoo days) is to > boot a liveCD (pick a liveCD, any liveCD!), get a command line, use > fdisk, mkfs.ext3, and swapon to prepare my new system, make sure sshd > is running on the liveCD system (or use it as the ssh client depending > on the availability of 'rsync'), rsync or tar the backup onto my new > system, chroot into the new-again root filesystem and install grub > (the bootloader), reboot the liveCD system and take out the CD -- > presto! > > I used this method to move a single installation of Gentoo from my > original laptop through the next two laptops I had, all without > reinstalling. (This is meaningful when you run Gentoo...) > > Linux isn't proprietary so there's no need for superstition - ghosting > is unnecessary. > > I've never explored Mondo/mindi myself, but I expect that it must be > doing some automation of what I've just described here. > > Going through this process is well worth your time; you'll learn more > about your system and it'll make you better at troubleshooting any > Linux system. (In fact, I still recommend running Gentoo for a while > if you haven't before, for exactly this reason.) > > --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From les at futuresource.com Sat Aug 26 18:45:39 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:45:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] re: Got to rebulid -- how to take an image for checkpointing (Robert Moskowitz) (Matt Oquist) In-Reply-To: <20060826181038.GB2501@majen.net> References: <20060826160021.584CE7327F@hormel.redhat.com> <20060826181038.GB2501@majen.net> Message-ID: <1156617938.13618.89.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2006-08-26 at 13:10, Matt Oquist wrote: > I knew I would forget something... /proc *must* exist on your restored > system before it will boot. So when you restore, you must also do > this: > > If you're in the chroot of your new / partition: > $ mkdir /proc I normally use the --one-file-system option with tar or rsync instead of excluding /proc and haven't had to make the directory on restores. That mode must copy the mount point but not continue down it. > Also, all of these things can be automated in your crontab; I use > nightly rsync backups, personally. Backuppc will do that for you, taking a lot less space. You just need to look up the command line to have it reconstruct a full tar image if you ever need a bare iron restore - and it provides a lot nicer interface if you need to grab an old file or two. Anyway there are any number of ways to get the partitions and contents back on a disk. The tricky part is making it bootable, but you can let the install CD do the work for you. If you have either labeled your new partitions to match the old ones or modified /etc/fstab and /etc/grub.conf to use partition names you can boot the install CD with 'linux rescue' at the boot prompt, let it detect the existing system and mount it, then 'chroot /mnt/sysinstall' as it suggests, then run 'grub-install', then exit (twice), remove the CD and reboot. If the system isn't automatically mounted, you can use the rescue mode tools to fix things up and try again or do the mount(s) manually. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dahopkins at comcast.net Sun Aug 27 01:53:00 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 01:53:00 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Sluggish response at 10 users Message-ID: <082720060153.28659.44F0FAFC00093B5500006FF322064246139C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> The tech coordinator at NCS has relayed to me that the systems are very very sluggish once around 10 users are on the system. These are dual Xeons with 4Gb memory. They have been very responsive with FC4 and prior. (It was not unusual to have 30-50 clients per server at any given time.) The only thing I have noticed (when I was there in the evening) is that firefox is taking alot of the cpu for some users. At this point, we are very happy with local devices, but somewhat disheartened with the other issues that have come up. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School From ckollars9 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 27 04:14:55 2006 From: ckollars9 at yahoo.com (Chuck Kollars) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Got to rebulid -- how to take an image for checkpointing Message-ID: <20060827041455.10984.qmail@web60818.mail.yahoo.com> >With a (p)OS like Windows(TM), you need a >"ghosting" program because the system has loads >of secret binary data that keep it from working >if you just copy the filesystem contents of the >OS to another system. Thankfully, Linux is part >of the UNIX tradition and the entire system is >portable. (Background info: a "ghosting" program copies raw sectors without understanding anything about whatever OS they instantiate). The inadequacy of a file-by-file approach is often a moot point because disks are so large a "ghosting" program is a practical necessity. Anything that goes through the file system, when faced with 80GB, can be rather slow. Linux systems can't always be treated cavalierly as just what's visible from `ls`. True, Windows is seldom backed up simply as a large collection of files; but the reason is there are few really adequate backup programs, not because it's theoretically impossible. So what exactly is going on? There are several "problematic" areas in viewing any OS through the lens of its file system: 1) "Hidden" and "system" file attributes are particularly problematic. But this problem doesn't just affect Windows. In Linux files whose name starts with a "." are conventionally not displayed. Ever done a `cp` only to discover none of the "dot" files were copied? 2) Several OSs have alternate portions of files that aren't normally visible. Mac's have the "resource fork"; Windows has "streams". These are visible through standard (if little-used) system calls; there's no reason a really good backup program couldn't handle them correctly. 3) In most modern OSs there can be "metadata" associated with each file. Even Linux has this option, which unfortunately most of its programs don't handle correctly. Have you ever backed up a file system that uses ACLs (Access Control Lists) with `tar`, restored it elsewhere, and wondered what happened to all your ACLs? 4) Some applications (think "AD") are paranoid about security but don't support adequate recovery procedures. Consider an application that changes its hashes every fifteen minutes, embeds timestamps in its data, and doesn't provide a way to resynchronize. It's almost impossible to back up, not only as a collection of files but even as a collection of raw sectors (which is how "ghosting" tools would see it). So yes doing a naive file-by-file copy often doesn't do what you want it to, especially with Windows. But no there's no need to postulate secret binary data to explain why. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 27 12:07:21 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 05:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Mounting SAMBA shares on a Linux workstation (Petre Scheie) In-Reply-To: <44EBF34B.5070404@scooter.co.nz> Message-ID: <20060827120721.49458.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- mrgoblin wrote: > Isn't the server a SAMBA server ? > Paint me yellow and call me a banana but where did > windows servers get > mentioned? > > John Sorry, I misunderstood. PS: you're a banana > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 27 12:14:44 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 05:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] FW: printers and default settings? In-Reply-To: <000001c6c8d1$fe360130$4000a8c0@themm> Message-ID: <20060827121445.54891.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You could try editing /etc/cups/printers.conf to remove the printers manually. -Rob --- Jim Kathan wrote: > How can I remove old "ghost" printers? They don't > seem to show up as viable > printers on the server, but all the clients want to > print to them. I have > double and triple instances of printers. > > Also, how can I set all clients to default to > 1280x1024 but with large fonts > and icons? Can I set this globally? > > Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 27 12:24:04 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 05:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] exporting users In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060827122404.78680.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've never tried it, but here are a couple links I found to use PAM for authorization on your apache server: http://pam.sourceforge.net/mod_auth_pam/ http://search.cpan.org/~hdaniel/Apache-AuthPAM-0.01/AuthPAM.pm If you have LDAP set up, there is a module for that too: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_authnz_ldap.html -Rob --- Eric Brown wrote: > I've done a little searching on this, but I can't > seem to find an answer. > > I let my students enter themselves as users on my > K12LTSP setup so > they could pick their own passwords. But now, I > need to also set up > accounts for them on my web server. Is there an > easy way I could > export the accounts from the k12ltsp server to the > web server so they > don't have to go through the same process twice? > > Thanks in advance, > Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cliebow at midmaine.com Sun Aug 27 12:58:37 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] exporting users In-Reply-To: <20060827122404.78680.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060827122404.78680.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <38960.70.33.151.214.1156683517.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> back in the days of rh 7 i could move .etc.passwd /etc/shadow /etc/gshadow and /etc/group from one server to another....ymmv..chuck From les at futuresource.com Sun Aug 27 16:08:15 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:08:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] exporting users In-Reply-To: <20060827122404.78680.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060827122404.78680.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1156694895.29110.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2006-08-27 at 07:24, Rob Owens wrote: > I've never tried it, but here are a couple links I > found to use PAM for authorization on your apache > server: > > http://pam.sourceforge.net/mod_auth_pam/ > http://search.cpan.org/~hdaniel/Apache-AuthPAM-0.01/AuthPAM.pm > > If you have LDAP set up, there is a module for that > too: > http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_authnz_ldap.html mod_auth_pam works, and can follow all of the authentication methods you use in the system. One quirk is that you have to allow the httpd process to read the /etc/shadow file, usually by making it group readable to the apache group. This is bad for security if you let others update web content/programs. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From les at futuresource.com Sun Aug 27 16:41:20 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:41:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Got to rebulid -- how to take an image for checkpointing In-Reply-To: <20060827041455.10984.qmail@web60818.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060827041455.10984.qmail@web60818.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1156696880.29110.35.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2006-08-26 at 23:14, Chuck Kollars wrote: > (Background info: a "ghosting" program copies > raw sectors without understanding anything about > whatever OS they instantiate). > > The inadequacy of a file-by-file approach is often > a moot point because disks are so large a > "ghosting" program is a practical necessity. > Anything that goes through the file system, when > faced with 80GB, can be rather slow. That probably matters a lot if you are rolling out hundreds of desktop clones. For a server or two you can go to lunch while it copies. Also, unless you use a copying program that understands the filesystem it may take longer to copy the empty portions of the drive than to do file copies of the used part. > Linux systems can't always be treated cavalierly > as just what's visible from `ls`. True, Windows > is seldom backed up simply as a large collection > of files; but the reason is there are few really > adequate backup programs, not because it's > theoretically impossible. That's only true if you use the esoteric features added later than the copying program - like ACLS and the extended attributes for SElinux. And dump is supposed to work for these now as long as your destination has the same filesystem type. > So what exactly is going on? There are several > "problematic" areas in viewing any OS through the > lens of its file system: > > 1) "Hidden" and "system" file attributes are > particularly problematic. But this problem > doesn't just affect Windows. In Linux files whose > name starts with a "." are conventionally not > displayed. Ever done a `cp` only to discover none > of the "dot" files were copied? That has to do with shell wildcard expansion intentionally omitting the files using the convention. cp copies whatever you tell it to copy. The GNU version of cp as included in all linux distros includes the -a option to recurse and copy all (normal) attributes and works as well as tar or rsync to copy a system. > 3) In most modern OSs there can be "metadata" > associated with each file. Even Linux has this > option, which unfortunately most of its programs > don't handle correctly. Have you ever backed up > a file system that uses ACLs (Access Control > Lists) with `tar`, restored it elsewhere, and > wondered what happened to all your ACLs? These are filesystem type, not just OS specific. The dump/restore programs for each fs type may or may not be able to reproduce these attributes when copying to the same type of fs. The star program claims to copy posix-compatible ACL's in a portable way but probably only in versions newer than included in fedora. > 4) Some applications (think "AD") are paranoid > about security but don't support adequate recovery > procedures. Consider an application that changes > its hashes every fifteen minutes, embeds > timestamps in its data, and doesn't provide a way > to resynchronize. It's almost impossible to back > up, not only as a collection of files but even as > a collection of raw sectors (which is how > "ghosting" tools would see it). > > So yes doing a naive file-by-file copy often > doesn't do what you want it to, especially with > Windows. But no there's no need to postulate > secret binary data to explain why. How would you describe the windows registry in a way that makes sense to a file copy? It doesn't matter if it is secret or documented if the tools you have won't copy it. Personally, I like to keep all important data backed up in a portable format and have scripts or procedures to put back any attributes that don't come along. That might involve a database dump or a backup of parts of a system with a native backup tool into files included in the backup run, and/or a ghost image to be installed before the current backup files are restored. If you are always prepared to restore a working machine, cloning one isn't that much of a special case, although if you have swappable drive carriers it's hard to beat sticking 2 identical disks in the box, booting a CD in rescue mode and using dd. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From moquist at majen.net Sun Aug 27 19:28:33 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 15:28:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Re: Got to rebulid -- how to take an image for checkpointing (Chuck Kollars) In-Reply-To: <20060827160015.6609B73344@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060827160015.6609B73344@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060827192833.GA2717@majen.net> > Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:14:55 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chuck Kollars > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Got to rebulid -- how to take an image for checkpointing > doesn't just affect Windows. In Linux files whose > name starts with a "." are conventionally not > displayed. Ever done a `cp` only to discover none > of the "dot" files were copied? Nobody's recommended 'cp' yet as an adequate OS backup tool. :) > 2) Several OSs have alternate portions of files > that aren't normally visible. Mac's have the > "resource fork"; Windows has "streams". These are > visible through standard (if little-used) system > calls; there's no reason a really good backup > program couldn't handle them correctly. Do the backup programs available for Windows and Mac handle them correctly? I presume so. > 3) In most modern OSs there can be "metadata" > associated with each file. Even Linux has this > option, which unfortunately most of its programs > don't handle correctly. Have you ever backed up > a file system that uses ACLs (Access Control > Lists) with `tar`, restored it elsewhere, and > wondered what happened to all your ACLs? This is a good point - yet ACLs are used (regrettably) uncommonly, so the vast majority of admins won't run into this. (And at this point, if they're using ACLs, they're beyond discussing system backups at this level.) > 4) Some applications (think "AD") are paranoid > about security but don't support adequate recovery > procedures. Consider an application that changes > its hashes every fifteen minutes, embeds > timestamps in its data, and doesn't provide a way > to resynchronize. It's almost impossible to back > up, not only as a collection of files but even as > a collection of raw sectors (which is how > "ghosting" tools would see it). Right; and this is why regular backups should be performed not just at a system level, but of each important database in a way that allows for straightforward recovery. > So yes doing a naive file-by-file copy often > doesn't do what you want it to, especially with > Windows. But no there's no need to postulate > secret binary data to explain why. No *need*, but it sure is *fun*. :-) But seriously, a file-by-file backup and restore of Windows just plain isn't possible (AFAIK), and that's the difference I was pointing out. *Most* Linux systems at this point can be backed up and restored via 'tar' or 'rsync' (or 'cpio', or even 'cp' with the right options). --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From william at fragakis.com Sun Aug 27 22:22:34 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 18:22:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: tripping down memory lane In-Reply-To: <20060827160015.7DDBD7333C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060827160015.7DDBD7333C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1156717354.16967.16.camel@server.ltsp> somebody's post on comp.os.minix from '91 via Google groups: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.minix/browse_thread/thread/76536d1fb451ac60/b813d52cbc5a044b?lnk=gst&q=&rnum=32#b813d52cbc5a044b It was dugg today (digg.com), as was Steve Hargadon for his Katrina ltsp kiosks. enjoy, William From dahopkins at comcast.net Mon Aug 28 11:46:09 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:46:09 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Load average sky-high but why???????? Message-ID: <082820061146.5223.44F2D7810006A58B0000146722064244139C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> I love k12tlsp, really, really, but .... recently it seems all I can do is 'complain'. After the rebuild of my systems here at NCS, the load average is hitting 2+ with just a few users (4 or 5). This is new behavior. Using top, firefox seems to take alot of the CPU, as does StarOffice. Now, the system is also using software RAID 1. I was leery about this but resorted to it because anaconda does not support my RAID card, and getting k12ltsp onto the system via other methods was also proving to be difficult. In the prior years, there were not issues until we reached 40 Users on a system. Now, I am at wits end. Teachers/staff/anyone connecting to the system are becoming very very upset, to the point that they are asking for Windows and desktop systems (which is a huge change in attitude from the prior years). Because of state proxy setups, I can't use IRC, so I am left with email. Again, this is alot of frustration and I am sure the solution will be simple. I am not seeing it. Sorry for the Monday morning crisis. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From petre at maltzen.net Mon Aug 28 13:44:30 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:44:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Load average sky-high but why???????? In-Reply-To: <082820061146.5223.44F2D7810006A58B0000146722064244139C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <082820061146.5223.44F2D7810006A58B0000146722064244139C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <44F2F33E.7070404@maltzen.net> Considering that K12LTSP used to work great for you, I'd advocate, as a worse-case-scenario, reverting to version 4.4.1 rather than wasting a bunch of money on Windows systems. And those who are asking for Windows systems are kidding themselves if they think they'll have more reliable computers that way. Sorry, I don't have any answer as to why your loads are so high. I assume memory on the server is still sufficient, that you're not swapping, correct? I, too, am seeing some weird stuff with this latest release, but I put the responsibility on Fedora, not the LTSP/Ed packages on top of it. Two of my current issues: 1) As mentioned previously, the mouse cursor on the console disappears after the first user at the console logs out. So far, only a reboot fixes the problem. 2) A new, /really/ weird problem popped up this weekend: If I run K3B on the console, it causes the server's networking to stop working. Again, rebooting is the only way I've found so far to fix the problem. So, I'm feeling a bit jaded about FC5. Petre dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > I love k12tlsp, really, really, but .... recently it seems all I can do is 'complain'. After the rebuild of my systems here at NCS, the load average is hitting 2+ with just a few users (4 or 5). This is new behavior. Using top, firefox seems to take alot of the CPU, as does StarOffice. Now, the system is also using software RAID 1. I was leery about this but resorted to it because anaconda does not support my RAID card, and getting k12ltsp onto the system via other methods was also proving to be difficult. > > In the prior years, there were not issues until we reached 40 Users on a system. Now, I am at wits end. Teachers/staff/anyone connecting to the system are becoming very very upset, to the point that they are asking for Windows and desktop systems (which is a huge change in attitude from the prior years). > > Because of state proxy setups, I can't use IRC, so I am left with email. > > Again, this is alot of frustration and I am sure the solution will be simple. I am not seeing it. > > Sorry for the Monday morning crisis. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jeff at cttrc.com Mon Aug 28 13:59:34 2006 From: jeff at cttrc.com (Jeff) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:59:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Load average sky-high but why???????? In-Reply-To: <44F2F33E.7070404@maltzen.net> References: <082820061146.5223.44F2D7810006A58B0000146722064244139C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <44F2F33E.7070404@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44F2F6C6.4040005@cttrc.com> IDE Hard drive? Possibly its not using DMA mode. I am not sure if hdparm is installed with k12ltsp, but in other distros you can do a hdparm -d /dev/hda to see if DMA mode is on. Please understand and read hdparm parms before using any other command. It is very advanced. Petre Scheie wrote: > Considering that K12LTSP used to work great for you, I'd advocate, as a > worse-case-scenario, reverting to version 4.4.1 rather than wasting a > bunch of money on Windows systems. And those who are asking for Windows > systems are kidding themselves if they think they'll have more reliable > computers that way. > > Sorry, I don't have any answer as to why your loads are so high. I > assume memory on the server is still sufficient, that you're not > swapping, correct? I, too, am seeing some weird stuff with this latest > release, but I put the responsibility on Fedora, not the LTSP/Ed > packages on top of it. Two of my current issues: > > 1) As mentioned previously, the mouse cursor on the console disappears > after the first user at the console logs out. So far, only a reboot > fixes the problem. > > 2) A new, /really/ weird problem popped up this weekend: If I run K3B on > the console, it causes the server's networking to stop working. Again, > rebooting is the only way I've found so far to fix the problem. > > So, I'm feeling a bit jaded about FC5. > > Petre > > > dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: >> I love k12tlsp, really, really, but .... recently it seems all I can >> do is 'complain'. After the rebuild of my systems here at NCS, the >> load average is hitting 2+ with just a few users (4 or 5). This is >> new behavior. Using top, firefox seems to take alot of the CPU, as >> does StarOffice. Now, the system is also using software RAID 1. I >> was leery about this but resorted to it because anaconda does not >> support my RAID card, and getting k12ltsp onto the system via other >> methods was also proving to be difficult. >> >> In the prior years, there were not issues until we reached 40 Users on >> a system. Now, I am at wits end. Teachers/staff/anyone connecting to >> the system are becoming very very upset, to the point that they are >> asking for Windows and desktop systems (which is a huge change in >> attitude from the prior years). >> >> Because of state proxy setups, I can't use IRC, so I am left with email. >> >> Again, this is alot of frustration and I am sure the solution will be >> simple. I am not seeing it. >> >> Sorry for the Monday morning crisis. >> >> Sincerely, >> Dave Hopkins >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Pat Loading "installonlyn" plugin Setting up Install Process Setting up repositories macromedia [1/7] at-stable [2/7] core [3/7] k12ltsp [4/7] updates [5/7] webmin [6/7] extras [7/7] Reading repository metadata in from local files Parsing package install arguments Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for mplayer-skins to pack into transaction set. http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/download.atrpms.net/fc5-i386/atrpms/stable/mplayer-skins-1.0-pre3_13.at.noarch.rpm: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:40:06 GMT Server: Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) Content-Length: 5959 Content-Type: text/html Via: 1.1 www.mirrorservice.org Trying other mirror. Error: failure: mplayer-skins-1.0-pre3_13.at.noarch.rpm from at-stable: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. ----- Original Message ----- From: Calvin Dodge Date: Friday, August 25, 2006 9:04 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > On 8/25/06, jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > I ran mplayer in terminal and this is the output. It looks like > to me > > that something must be missing. > > Is mplayer-skins installed? If not, run "yum --enablerepo=at-stable > -y install mplayer-skins" > > Calvin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Mon Aug 28 15:26:27 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:26:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Recorded Conversation with Robert Arkiletian about K12LTSP (with links) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://educationbridges.net/k12opensource/wp-content/uploads/fl_teachertool.mp3 or http://educationbridges.net/k12opensource/wp-content/uploads/fl_teachertool.ogg or http://edtechlive.wikispaces.com/Recordings+List (listen on the web) A conversation with Robert Arkiletian who, in addition to teaching physics and computer programming at a secondary school in Vancouver, has created fl_TeacherTool, a program for K12LTSP installations which allows the teacher to view, control, broadcast to, and communicate with individual student desktops. We discuss the barriers in schools to implementation of Linux thin client and how he overcame them. Robert also describes in detail the features of fl_TeacherTool. Will only really be of interest to those working with LTSP or K12LTSP, or thinking of it. One of the most interesting things to me about the interview was Robert's description of how he was effective in getting approval for his Linux thin-client lab--and why many such labs have required an "inside" champion. He describes: 1. How helpful it was to show that if the lab didn't work out, the server he was going to purchase could be used for some other purpose; 2. How he set up his workstations as dual-boot machines, so that Windows could be used if there was dissatisfaction with Linux; 3. How helpful the K12OSN email list has been for technical support. These are options that only an "insider" can really effectively provide. But even as an "insider" at a school, and showing the tremendous cost savings, it can still be difficult to get approval for a Linux thin-client lab. I think, in large part, this is because Linux is unfamiliar, and it is unrealistic to think that schools will be willing to take the risk of trying a technology that is not well known. As more publicized installations of Linux take place in schools (Indiana, for example), and as Linux is seen as a viable desktop alternative, then the tremendous cost savings will then have an opportunity to become a compelling factor. It has been interesting to watch, however, how some schools have been able to overcome the barriers to implementation of Linux. I would argue that these are typically schools that just don't have the money for traditional computing resources, and have to look outside of the box through sheer desperation. At that point, I think they are somewhat shocked, and then pleasantly surprised, to find out how inexpensively they can provide basic productivity computing. I continue to be interested in the compelling story that is beginning to emerge more publicly related to computer use in schools: 1. Schools have spent a lot of money on computers, and had to cut other programs because of funding issues--now their computers are getting old and they're being asked to spend comparable amounts again; 2. Schools haven't seen academic improvement because of computers, and most students get limited time on computers each week; 3. Schools that have installed less glamorous, inexpensive computer solutions are able to give the students and teachers a more significant opportunity to integrate the computer into their curriculum; 4. Where the computer is able to be actively integrated into the curriculum, there is student and teacher enthusiasm, and there are reports of significant academic improvement. It should be interesting to see how this plays out. -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.K12OpenSource.com (Public Wiki) www.SupportBlogging.com (Public Wiki) From les at futuresource.com Mon Aug 28 15:48:08 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:48:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Load average sky-high but why???????? In-Reply-To: <44F2F33E.7070404@maltzen.net> References: <082820061146.5223.44F2D7810006A58B0000146722064244139C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <44F2F33E.7070404@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1156780089.28371.172.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 08:44 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > So, I'm feeling a bit jaded about FC5. Fedora tends to have a huge turnover in updates, some of which actually improve things. Is this system current with 'yum update'? -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From lists.john at gmail.com Mon Aug 28 16:13:20 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:13:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] advice needed re: GPL, creative commons etc Message-ID: <2be970b50608280913t4af23794k4f74551dbb155fb8@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, One of the programs at our School District has worked with a developer to create an online database using FileMaker Pro. The database is an online tool used to track portfolios for independent study students and match them against state ELARS. We'd like to share this database with others by making it available for download on our website. Folks who used it would also need to have a copy of FileMaker Pro. My question is can we release the database under the GPL or Creative Commons without violating the terms of the FMP license? Or should we just throw it out there as "freeware"? Thanks for your opinions on this. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dahopkins at comcast.net Mon Aug 28 16:42:55 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:42:55 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Load average sky-high but why???????? Message-ID: <082820061642.13797.44F31D0F0000121E000035E522069997359C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> All, replying this way because for some reason my comcast email is not showing any responses to the k12 list. In fact, I haven't even recieved an acknowledgement from the listserve that my first message was accepted. Anyhow, the system is completely up-to-date on all installed packages. I have been watching the load as users login/off and launch apps. Firefox really spikes the load average on the server (it was over 30 just a few minutes ago), and then it drops off quickly (back to around 2-3). The teachers are using firefox and thunderbird (similar behavior as well it seems) for email access to the state servers (state uses imail). To add a little more confusion, the authentication server (FC4 running ldap) still has an issue with nscd dying periodically. It is also fully patched except for samba (seems to be alot of issues with the latest samba release 23a). Reverting back to the prior version is also not an option since getting the local device support and improved sound (in theory) was the driving factor for the upgrade to begin with. At least I am not losing my mind yet. Thanks for the responses. At least I am not losing my mind yet. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: dahopkins at comcast.net > I love k12tlsp, really, really, but .... recently it seems all I can do is > 'complain'. After the rebuild of my systems here at NCS, the load average is > hitting 2+ with just a few users (4 or 5). This is new behavior. Using top, > firefox seems to take alot of the CPU, as does StarOffice. Now, the system is > also using software RAID 1. I was leery about this but resorted to it because > anaconda does not support my RAID card, and getting k12ltsp onto the system via > other methods was also proving to be difficult. > > In the prior years, there were not issues until we reached 40 Users on a system. > Now, I am at wits end. Teachers/staff/anyone connecting to the system are > becoming very very upset, to the point that they are asking for Windows and > desktop systems (which is a huge change in attitude from the prior years). > > Because of state proxy setups, I can't use IRC, so I am left with email. > > Again, this is alot of frustration and I am sure the solution will be simple. I > am not seeing it. > > Sorry for the Monday morning crisis. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins From jam at mcquil.com Mon Aug 28 16:46:04 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:46:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Load average sky-high but why???????? In-Reply-To: <082820061642.13797.44F31D0F0000121E000035E522069997359C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <082820061642.13797.44F31D0F0000121E000035E522069997359C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <44F31DCC.1020907@McQuil.com> dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > All, replying this way because for some reason my comcast email is not showing any responses to the k12 list. In fact, I haven't even recieved an acknowledgement from the listserve that my first message was accepted. > > Anyhow, the system is completely up-to-date on all installed packages. I have been watching the load as users login/off and launch apps. Firefox really spikes the load average on the server (it was over 30 just a few minutes ago), and then it drops off quickly (back to around 2-3). The teachers are using firefox and thunderbird (similar behavior as well it seems) for email access to the state servers (state uses imail). > > To add a little more confusion, the authentication server (FC4 running ldap) still has an issue with nscd dying periodically. It is also fully patched except for samba (seems to be alot of issues with the latest samba release 23a). > > Reverting back to the prior version is also not an option since getting the local device support and improved sound (in theory) was the driving factor for the upgrade to begin with. At least I am not losing my mind yet. > You could revert back to a previous K12LTSP, and then install LTSP-4.2 on top of that to get local device support. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From caldodge at gmail.com Mon Aug 28 17:01:37 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:01:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting MPlayer installed In-Reply-To: References: <44EBA6F4.2030305@elp.rr.com> <1156422272.3258.10.camel@HodsonNet1> <824a5f7a0608240934k4c58b611obf8ec63ca08082bb@mail.gmail.com> <824a5f7a0608241353k7850d01dx9805b447f2518305@mail.gmail.com> <824a5f7a0608241356x5ada177bn76bc39d8dd9f16d2@mail.gmail.com> <824a5f7a0608251958nc21b742ta3995f4fc663853b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0608281001s124f2ceboa601406980abe6f5@mail.gmail.com> On 8/28/06, jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > Something must have been changed again. This is the out put from > running the command line you gave me. I think they were having problems - I, too, was unable to update my at-stable packages for a while. I _did_ install an at-stable item this morning, so I guess they're up now. Why don't you try it again? Calvin From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Mon Aug 28 17:02:47 2006 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:02:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] advice needed re: GPL, creative commons etc In-Reply-To: <2be970b50608280913t4af23794k4f74551dbb155fb8@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50608280913t4af23794k4f74551dbb155fb8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <92de6c880608281002m674e54buc6288422b3a9c620@mail.gmail.com> On 8/28/06, john wrote: > Hi all, > > One of the programs at our School District has worked with a developer to > create an online database using FileMaker Pro. The database is an online > tool used to track portfolios for independent study students and match them > against state ELARS. We'd like to share this database with others by making > it available for download on our website. Folks who used it would also need > to have a copy of FileMaker Pro. My question is can we release the database > under the GPL or Creative Commons without violating the terms of the FMP > license? Or should we just throw it out there as "freeware"? It doesn't seem like you have much to gain in this point by trying to apply a free software or Creative Commons license to the work, compared to just releasing it as vague "freeware." That is, I don't imagine you'd be too worried that someone else is going to integrate it into their commercial FileMaker distribution, or something like that, which you might control with the GPL or CC license. I am not a lawyer, but I do know that you are making specific claims about your work when you use either of those licenses, which are more involved than they might seem on the surface, and if you simply want to make this stuff available without worrying about it, I'd take a naive approach and just stick this stuff up in the public domain. Just to be clear, I think it is fairly likely that you could release this under a free software license or CC license, but I think that may be unnecessarily complicating the situation. And in the future, you should use a free software web stack like Ruby On Rails or Django to do this kind of thing, and then releasing your work under a free software license is more straightforward. ;-) --Tom From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Mon Aug 28 17:06:05 2006 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:06:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] floppyd Message-ID: <200608281206.06036.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Hello All, I'm using K12LTSP 4.4.1 and upgraded LTSP to 4.2 My clients boot up fine and all but I cannot get the local floppy drive and thumb drives to work. If I add the RCFILE_01 = floppyd to the lts.conf I get the following error on the client at bootup: RCFile_ is setup in lts.conf but it does not exist in the /etc/rc.d directory What file is it looking for in the rc.d directory? Ray From robark at gmail.com Mon Aug 28 17:28:03 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:28:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Load average sky-high but why???????? In-Reply-To: <082820061146.5223.44F2D7810006A58B0000146722064244139C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <082820061146.5223.44F2D7810006A58B0000146722064244139C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 8/28/06, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > I love k12tlsp, really, really, but .... recently it seems all I can do is > 'complain'. After the rebuild of my systems here at NCS, the load average > is hitting 2+ with just a few users (4 or 5). This is new behavior. Using > top, firefox seems to take alot of the CPU, as does StarOffice. Now, the > system is also using software RAID 1. I was leery about this but resorted > to it because anaconda does not support my RAID card, and getting k12ltsp > onto the system via other methods was also proving to be difficult. Brainstorming out loud: try cat /proc/mdstat to see how your raid is doing. Also, try /sbin/ifconfig to see if you have any errors comming from your nics. The other thing I could ask is are your clients using older video cards which were better supported with Xfree86 as compared to the newer Xorg Maybe all your clients are using VESA now and that is making a difference. k12ltsp 5.0 uses ltsp 4.2 which I think dropped Xfree86 support (accel) of older video cards. This is something that is different between 5.0 and older versions of k12ltsp. In the prior years, there were not issues until we reached 40 Users on a > system. Now, I am at wits end. Teachers/staff/anyone connecting to the > system are becoming very very upset, to the point that they are asking for > Windows and desktop systems (which is a huge change in attitude from the > prior years). > > Because of state proxy setups, I can't use IRC, so I am left with email. > > Again, this is alot of frustration and I am sure the solution will be > simple. I am not seeing it. > > Sorry for the Monday morning crisis. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Aug 28 18:08:14 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:08:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Load average sky-high but why???????? In-Reply-To: <082820061146.5223.44F2D7810006A58B0000146722064244139C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <082820061146.5223.44F2D7810006A58B0000146722064244139C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <44F3310E.7070209@mesd.k12.or.us> dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > After the rebuild of my systems here at NCS, the load average is > hitting 2+ with just a few users (4 or 5). This is new behavior. > Using top, firefox seems to take alot of the CPU, as does StarOffice. Are you swapping? How much swap is "used": free -m Some Firefox plugins can use copious CPU time (flash, JRE). Go to the URL "about:plugins" in Firefox. What's listed? > Now, the system is also using software RAID 1. I was leery about > this but resorted to it because anaconda does not support my RAID > card, and getting k12ltsp onto the system via other methods was also > proving to be difficult. Shouldn't be a problem. Linux MD is pretty fast; RAID1 is fast, no XORs to compute. In top, are the CPUs mostly in us(user), sys(system), ni(nice), id(idle), wa(iowait)? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 18:14:57 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] anyone doing automated yum updates? Message-ID: <20060828181457.33250.qmail@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi! We currently have 4 K12LTSP v5 systems right now at our K12 school. I'm thinking of setting them up to automatically yum update themselves (I've been doing it manually about once a week). In case it matters, one of these is our school's LDAP PDC, and another is an LDAP BDC. Are any of you doing automated yum updates on your K12LTSP servers? If you are: a) How often does your automated process run? (daily, weekly, etc) b) If you followed Fedora's instructions in their online documentation (http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/yum/en/sn-updating-your-system.html), did those directions work well? c) Are there any "gotchas" I should watch out for? (for example, I think a while ago someone on the list mentioning that he has yum exclude kernel updates when running automatically) Thanks in advance! David Whitmer Calvary Schools of Holland, Michigan From dahopkins at comcast.net Mon Aug 28 18:19:26 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:19:26 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Load average sky-high but why???????? Message-ID: <082820061819.3547.44F333AE000BFF2B00000DDB22007374789C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> I checked the RAID and the NIC. Both are working. But ... it just occurred to me that when the RAID 1 was setup, it wanted to set up the swap as RAID 1 as well. This is probably not such a great thing for software raid. >>You could revert back to a previous K12LTSP, and then install LTSP-4.2 on top of that to get >>local device support. True, I just seem to remember that K12LTSP and LTSP don't use exactly the same defaults. I am not sure if the most recent versions of K12LTSP use the LTSP default directories/files/etc. (e.g. k12ltsp uses dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf as the dhcpd.conf file now). Thanks all for the assistance. We have made it through another school day. I will see if there is time to rebuild the server tonight. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From robark at gmail.com Mon Aug 28 18:40:11 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:40:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Load average sky-high but why???????? In-Reply-To: <082820061819.3547.44F333AE000BFF2B00000DDB22007374789C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <082820061819.3547.44F333AE000BFF2B00000DDB22007374789C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 8/28/06, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > I checked the RAID and the NIC. Both are working. But ... it just > occurred to me that when the RAID 1 was setup, it wanted to set up the swap > as RAID 1 as well. This is probably not such a great thing for software > raid. That's okay. Swap SHOULD be on a raid 1 because if you lose a disc while you are using swap you would crash if you did not have it mirrored. It would be like losing ram. >>You could revert back to a previous K12LTSP, and then install LTSP-4.2 on > top of that to get >>local device support. > > True, I just seem to remember that K12LTSP and LTSP don't use exactly the > same defaults. I am not sure if the most recent versions of K12LTSP use the > LTSP default directories/files/etc. (e.g. k12ltsp uses dhcpd-k12ltsp.confas the > dhcpd.conf file now). > > Thanks all for the assistance. We have made it through another school > day. I will see if there is time to rebuild the server tonight. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dahopkins at comcast.net Mon Aug 28 18:41:58 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:41:58 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Load average sky-high but why???????? Message-ID: <082820061841.12093.44F338F6000B4EC700002F3D22069997359C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> >dahopkins comcast net wrote: >> After the rebuild of my systems here at NCS, the load average is >> hitting 2+ with just a few users (4 or 5). This is new behavior. >> Using top, firefox seems to take alot of the CPU, as does StarOffice. >Are you swapping? How much swap is "used": >free -m total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 4056 3788 268 0 18 279 -/+ buffers/cache: 3490 566 Swap: 1984 158 1826 So, looks like not much swap is being used. S>ome Firefox plugins can use copious CPU time (flash, JRE). Go to the >URL "about:plugins" in Firefox. What's listed? I have both Flash and JRE plugins installed. > Now, the system is also using software RAID 1. I was leery about > this but resorted to it because anaconda does not support my RAID > card, and getting k12ltsp onto the system via other methods was also > proving to be difficult. Shouldn't be a problem. Linux MD is pretty fast; RAID1 is fast, no XORs to compute. In top, are the CPUs mostly in us(user), sys(system), ni(nice), id(idle), wa(iowait)? The CPU's are mostly in id(idle). As a test, I had a class of 30 log on at the same time, more or less. Load average hit 32, us was about 75%, sys was about 25%. This is the worst case scenario, and this time didn't fail. I see the same effect on logout. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Mon Aug 28 18:42:27 2006 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:42:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] floppyd Local Devices In-Reply-To: <200608281206.06036.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> References: <200608281206.06036.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <200608281342.27422.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> On Monday 28 August 2006 12:06, Ray Garza wrote: > Hello All, > > I'm using K12LTSP 4.4.1 and upgraded LTSP to 4.2 > > My clients boot up fine and all but I cannot get the local floppy drive and > thumb drives to work. If I add the RCFILE_01 = floppyd to the lts.conf I > get the following error on the client at bootup: > > RCFile_ is setup in lts.conf but it does not exist in the /etc/rc.d > directory > > What file is it looking for in the rc.d directory? > > Ray > Here is a little more information: I was following the instruction found at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev In the section on installing FUSE for FC 4 it says that after performing the yum install fuse fuse-libs to do a modprobe fuse. When I do that, I get an error message saying that the FUSE module could not be found. The exact message is: FATAL : Module fuse was not found When I check to see if they are installed I find fuse 2.5.3-1.fc4 and fuse-libs 2.5.3-1.fc4 I suspect that is the problem but I'm stuck. Any ideas? Ray From petre at maltzen.net Mon Aug 28 19:12:57 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:12:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Load average sky-high but why???????? In-Reply-To: <1156780089.28371.172.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <082820061146.5223.44F2D7810006A58B0000146722064244139C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <44F2F33E.7070404@maltzen.net> <1156780089.28371.172.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <44F34039.3080609@maltzen.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 08:44 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > >> So, I'm feeling a bit jaded about FC5. > > Fedora tends to have a huge turnover in updates, some of which actually > improve things. Is this system current with 'yum update'? > It is now. ;-) Your message reminded me that I need to setup yum to check for new patches each night and inform me if there are any (at which point I usually update). Now that it's updated, I'll see if the problems persist. Petre From petre at maltzen.net Mon Aug 28 19:26:51 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:26:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] anyone doing automated yum updates? In-Reply-To: <20060828181457.33250.qmail@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060828181457.33250.qmail@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44F3437B.5060302@maltzen.net> I have scripts that check every night for updates, but I install them manuall via yum. I want to know what is changing before it happens. Having automatic updates just seems too unpredictable for comfort. A year or two ago, I think it was David Trask who made the argument, rather convincingly I thought, that once the school years starts, if your system is stable, doesn't have problems, and not directly connected to the internet (where security issues are greater), then updates should not be done unless something breaks and warrants an update. This approach applies only to schools who presumably will have a chance to fully update/upgrade over the summer once the school year ends. But if it's not broken, it may be best not to try to fix it. Petre David Whitmer wrote: > Hi! > > We currently have 4 K12LTSP v5 systems right now at our K12 school. I'm thinking of setting them up to automatically yum update themselves (I've been doing it manually about once a week). In case it matters, one of these is our school's LDAP PDC, and another is an LDAP BDC. > > Are any of you doing automated yum updates on your K12LTSP servers? If you are: > > a) How often does your automated process run? (daily, weekly, etc) > > b) If you followed Fedora's instructions in their online documentation (http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/yum/en/sn-updating-your-system.html), did those directions work well? > > c) Are there any "gotchas" I should watch out for? > (for example, I think a while ago someone on the list mentioning that he has yum exclude kernel updates when running automatically) > > Thanks in advance! > > David Whitmer > Calvary Schools of Holland, Michigan > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lists.john at gmail.com Mon Aug 28 20:40:31 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:40:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] advice needed re: GPL, creative commons etc In-Reply-To: <92de6c880608281002m674e54buc6288422b3a9c620@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50608280913t4af23794k4f74551dbb155fb8@mail.gmail.com> <92de6c880608281002m674e54buc6288422b3a9c620@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50608281340h26468bc6p92045be83c6f0909@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the reply Tom. It was very helpful. I agree with your advice re: open platform for future software development. Wish I could control stuff like that :-( John On 8/28/06, Tom Hoffman wrote: > > On 8/28/06, john wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > One of the programs at our School District has worked with a developer > to > > create an online database using FileMaker Pro. The database is an online > > tool used to track portfolios for independent study students and match > them > > against state ELARS. We'd like to share this database with others by > making > > it available for download on our website. Folks who used it would also > need > > to have a copy of FileMaker Pro. My question is can we release the > database > > under the GPL or Creative Commons without violating the terms of the FMP > > license? Or should we just throw it out there as "freeware"? > > It doesn't seem like you have much to gain in this point by trying to > apply a free software or Creative Commons license to the work, > compared to just releasing it as vague "freeware." That is, I don't > imagine you'd be too worried that someone else is going to integrate > it into their commercial FileMaker distribution, or something like > that, which you might control with the GPL or CC license. > > I am not a lawyer, but I do know that you are making specific claims > about your work when you use either of those licenses, which are more > involved than they might seem on the surface, and if you simply want > to make this stuff available without worrying about it, I'd take a > naive approach and just stick this stuff up in the public domain. > > Just to be clear, I think it is fairly likely that you could release > this under a free software license or CC license, but I think that may > be unnecessarily complicating the situation. > > And in the future, you should use a free software web stack like Ruby > On Rails or Django to do this kind of thing, and then releasing your > work under a free software license is more straightforward. ;-) > > --Tom > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All computers connect to the same gigaswitch which connects to IPCOP. K12LTSP server and a windows xp sp1 desktop (office) can connect fine but 2 WinXP SP2 laptops cannot connect. I tried connecting using both wireless and wired connection. K12 and office can access modem web interface on the other side of IPCOP. The laptops can connect to IPCop, K12 and to office (rdp connection) but cannot directly connect to the modem on the other side of IPCOP. When we try to ping the modem if works for K12 and office but fails for the laptops. In IPCOP logs I can see records of office connecting to the internet but no record of laptops connecting. It was working fine last week. I tried rebooting IPCOP, resetting the switch etc. Now I am not sure what to do. It seems IPCop is blocking the laptops but I don't know what to do to fix it. I can connect to internet fine from home with the laptop. Can anyone point me to the right place to look for a solution. What do you think is happening? 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I tried connecting using both wireless and > wired connection. > > K12 and office can access modem web interface on the other side of IPCOP. > The laptops can connect to IPCop, K12 and to office (rdp connection) but > cannot directly connect to the modem on the other side of IPCOP. > When we try to ping the modem if works for K12 and office but fails for the > laptops. In IPCOP logs I can see records of office connecting to the > internet but no record of laptops connecting. > > It was working fine last week. I tried rebooting IPCOP, resetting the switch > etc. Now I am not sure what to do. It seems IPCop is blocking the laptops > but I don't know what to do to fix it. I can connect to internet fine from > home with the laptop. > > Can anyone point me to the right place to look for a solution. What do you > think is happening? I'd double check to be sure the laptops are getting the correct default route set. Are you able to ping the ipcop device from the laptops? Are the laptops getting the correct IP address? From petre at maltzen.net Mon Aug 28 21:28:27 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:28:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] consistent desktops In-Reply-To: <200608281606.25657.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> References: <200608281606.25657.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <44F35FFB.7040802@maltzen.net> Yes, although there isn't a single tool that controls all these things, as some are destkop environment related, others are specific application related. For the desktop environment, e.g., menus & buttons, the tool depends on whether you're using Gnome (the default), KDE, or IceWM. For Gnome, use sabayon (I think you'll have to install it first). There's a similar tool for KDE and one for IceWM, but I forget their names; others here will probably remember. For firefox, I think the file to edit is prefs.js, and then distribute that to all users. Petre Ray Garza wrote: > Hello, > > I have a question concerning maintaining a consistent desktop for all users. I > know about changing the wallpaper and adding icons to the desktop but I want > to add the Log Out button on the taskbar so that any user that logons they > will see the log out button w/out having to search the menu's. > > Or change the default homepage for Firefox so that all users will have the new > default page. > > Or delete some of the submenu's in the Application menu. > > Can this be done with K12ltsp 4.4.1 ? > > Thanks, > > Ray > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From snowsam at laurel-point.net Mon Aug 28 21:30:17 2006 From: snowsam at laurel-point.net (Sam Snow) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:30:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Online Grades version 3.2.1 released Message-ID: <44F36069.1010102@laurel-point.net> Version 3.2.1 of Online Grades is now released. Online Grades is free software that allows for student grades to be securely posted on a dynamic web site. OG works in conjunction with several leading grade book applications. For more information see http://www.onlinegrades.org/ . The most significant changes in this release are the new tools in the admin interface as well as several bug fixes. The changes are summarized below. New Features Implemented: 1484220 Offer Drop-down for school list at login - This new option can be selected via the Admin config interface. 1167376 Tools for deleting/viewing/editing data - Multiple Admin Interface tools for viewing, deleting, editing, exporting class, student, teacher, parent data General: - Online Grades 3.2.1 requires MySQL version 4.1.x or later due to the use of subqueries. - New Online Grades web site deployed since last release; see http://www.onlinegrades.org/ . - New documentation center online at http://docs.onlinegrades.org . - Beginnings of context based help added. We now have several "help" links that go to the improved online documentation. Bugs fixed: 1522715 10+ Digits in SID don't work 1501388 Multiple Parent Center Prefs bugs 1501387 Allow student to change pref not saving 1468164 Can't add admins You can download Online Grades by following this link: http://www.onlinegrades.org/download or feel free to visit the onlinegrades.org web site for more information or to try out the demo. From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Aug 28 23:33:04 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:33:04 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Internet access restricted to some computers In-Reply-To: <69b790a80608281422k11b21b58g37e7f42ee4566e9a@mail.gmail.com> References: <69b790a80608281422k11b21b58g37e7f42ee4566e9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: yes. I can ping ipcop and access the web interface. It is the usual ip address. On 29/08/06, Roger wrote: > > On 8/28/06, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > We access the internet through IPCOP. All computers connect to the same > > gigaswitch which connects to IPCOP. > > K12LTSP server and a windows xp sp1 desktop (office) can connect fine > but 2 > > WinXP SP2 laptops cannot connect. I tried connecting using both wireless > and > > wired connection. > > > > K12 and office can access modem web interface on the other side of > IPCOP. > > The laptops can connect to IPCop, K12 and to office (rdp connection) but > > cannot directly connect to the modem on the other side of IPCOP. > > When we try to ping the modem if works for K12 and office but fails for > the > > laptops. In IPCOP logs I can see records of office connecting to the > > internet but no record of laptops connecting. > > > > It was working fine last week. I tried rebooting IPCOP, resetting the > switch > > etc. Now I am not sure what to do. It seems IPCop is blocking the > laptops > > but I don't know what to do to fix it. I can connect to internet fine > from > > home with the laptop. > > > > Can anyone point me to the right place to look for a solution. What do > you > > think is happening? > > I'd double check to be sure the laptops are getting the correct > default route set. Are you able to ping the ipcop device from the > laptops? Are the laptops getting the correct IP address? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at hosef.org Tue Aug 29 01:32:19 2006 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:32:19 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Removing Shutdown and Restart from Login Screen Message-ID: <44F39923.2040404@hosef.org> Aloha Y'all I have been trying to figure out what to edit to remove the shutdown and restart options from our server that operates as a workstation. I have seen that on K12LTSP5 it has been removed. This lab is still running 4.x, and if a mischievous student chooses to reboot the lab, they can. Can anyone point me to the file I need to edit. /etc/X11/gdm.conf does not seem to have what I am looking for, but I may have missed it. --scott From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Tue Aug 29 01:43:33 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:43:33 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Internet access restricted to some computers In-Reply-To: References: <69b790a80608281422k11b21b58g37e7f42ee4566e9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I changed the ip address of my laptop to a different ip address. Now it works. I would like to know how to unblock the old ip address. I have also noticed that the ipphone we have in the office has also stopped working. On 29/08/06, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > yes. I can ping ipcop and access the web interface. > It is the usual ip address. > > > On 29/08/06, Roger wrote: > > > > On 8/28/06, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > > We access the internet through IPCOP. All computers connect to the > > same > > > gigaswitch which connects to IPCOP. > > > K12LTSP server and a windows xp sp1 desktop (office) can connect fine > > but 2 > > > WinXP SP2 laptops cannot connect. I tried connecting using both > > wireless and > > > wired connection. > > > > > > K12 and office can access modem web interface on the other side of > > IPCOP. > > > The laptops can connect to IPCop, K12 and to office (rdp connection) > > but > > > cannot directly connect to the modem on the other side of IPCOP. > > > When we try to ping the modem if works for K12 and office but fails > > for the > > > laptops. In IPCOP logs I can see records of office connecting to the > > > internet but no record of laptops connecting. > > > > > > It was working fine last week. I tried rebooting IPCOP, resetting the > > switch > > > etc. Now I am not sure what to do. It seems IPCop is blocking the > > laptops > > > but I don't know what to do to fix it. I can connect to internet fine > > from > > > home with the laptop. > > > > > > Can anyone point me to the right place to look for a solution. What do > > you > > > think is happening? > > > > I'd double check to be sure the laptops are getting the correct > > default route set. Are you able to ping the ipcop device from the > > laptops? Are the laptops getting the correct IP address? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Tue Aug 29 03:11:19 2006 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:11:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Internet access restricted to some computers In-Reply-To: References: <69b790a80608281422k11b21b58g37e7f42ee4566e9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69b790a80608282011x6eadb720td686209fd5e7de21@mail.gmail.com> On 8/28/06, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > I changed the ip address of my laptop to a different ip address. Now it > works. I would like to know how to unblock the old ip address. I have also > noticed that the ipphone we have in the office has also stopped working. > is there some rule in IPcop to automatically add an IP address to a block list. I'd check for that. From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Aug 29 11:15:56 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Removing Shutdown and Restart from Login Screen In-Reply-To: <44F39923.2040404@hosef.org> References: <44F39923.2040404@hosef.org> Message-ID: <37281.70.33.151.214.1156850156.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> seems to me halt shutdown and reboot all refer to the same executable..think i just made sure that is not world executable..though i use kdm..chuck From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Tue Aug 29 13:00:23 2006 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:00:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] consistent desktops In-Reply-To: <44F35FFB.7040802@maltzen.net> References: <200608281606.25657.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> <44F35FFB.7040802@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <200608290800.23466.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> On Monday 28 August 2006 16:28, Petre Scheie wrote: > Yes, although there isn't a single tool that controls all these things, as > some are destkop environment related, others are specific application > related. For the desktop environment, e.g., menus & buttons, the tool > depends on whether you're using Gnome (the default), KDE, or IceWM. For > Gnome, use sabayon (I think you'll have to install it first). There's a > similar tool for KDE and one for IceWM, but I forget their names; others > here will probably remember. > Ok, we use the Gnome desktop by default so, I'll huntdown Sabayon and give that a try. > For firefox, I think the file to edit is prefs.js, and then distribute that > to all users. > Yes, I remember editing the prefs.js a long time ago to put Firefox in Kiosk mode with the features we wanted (or was that browser.jar). Thanks for the tips. I've been scouring the archives for other tips and picked up some other useful information. Would you happen to anything about getting Fuse to work on FC4? Ray From petre at maltzen.net Tue Aug 29 13:14:16 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:14:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] consistent desktops In-Reply-To: <200608290800.23466.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> References: <200608281606.25657.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> <44F35FFB.7040802@maltzen.net> <200608290800.23466.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <44F43DA8.4020505@maltzen.net> Ray Garza wrote: > On Monday 28 August 2006 16:28, Petre Scheie wrote: >> Yes, although there isn't a single tool that controls all these things, as >> some are destkop environment related, others are specific application >> related. For the desktop environment, e.g., menus & buttons, the tool >> depends on whether you're using Gnome (the default), KDE, or IceWM. For >> Gnome, use sabayon (I think you'll have to install it first). There's a >> similar tool for KDE and one for IceWM, but I forget their names; others >> here will probably remember. >> > Ok, we use the Gnome desktop by default so, I'll huntdown Sabayon and give > that a try. > >> For firefox, I think the file to edit is prefs.js, and then distribute that >> to all users. >> > Yes, I remember editing the prefs.js a long time ago to put Firefox in Kiosk > mode with the features we wanted (or was that browser.jar). > > Thanks for the tips. I've been scouring the archives for other tips and picked > up some other useful information. > > Would you happen to anything about getting Fuse to work on FC4? > > Ray > yum install fuse It's in the Fedora Extras repo. Or did you mean something beyond that? Petre From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 29 13:38:30 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] consistent desktops In-Reply-To: <44F35FFB.7040802@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20060829133830.3108.qmail@web31614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Petre Scheie > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 5:28:27 PM > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] consistent desktops > > Yes, although there isn't a single tool that controls all these things, as some are > destkop environment related, others are specific application related. For the desktop > environment, e.g., menus & buttons, the tool depends on whether you're using Gnome (the > default), KDE, or IceWM. For Gnome, use sabayon (I think you'll have to install it > first). There's a similar tool for KDE and one for IceWM, but I forget their names; > others here will probably remember. > > For firefox, I think the file to edit is prefs.js, and then distribute that to all users. > > Petre > In KDE, the tool is Kiosk Admin Tool. David Whitmer Calvary Schools of Holland, Michigan From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Tue Aug 29 14:36:32 2006 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:36:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Removing Shutdown and Restart from Login Screen In-Reply-To: <44F39923.2040404@hosef.org> References: <44F39923.2040404@hosef.org> Message-ID: <1156862192.8683.7.camel@localhost> Scott- I know the following advice is going to seem counter-intuitive, but trust me on this: To remove shutdown, go into: System > Administration > Login Screen (the gdmsetup gdm front-end) and where you see "Show Actions Menu" on the General tab, unclick it. Then, logout and log back in. Your ability to shutdown/restart should be removed in *Gnome* as well as GDM. They are connected. HTH, -Gideon On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 15:32 -1000, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Aloha Y'all > > I have been trying to figure out what to edit to remove the shutdown and > restart options from our server that operates as a workstation. I have > seen that on K12LTSP5 it has been removed. This lab is still running > 4.x, and if a mischievous student chooses to reboot the lab, they can. > Can anyone point me to the file I need to edit. /etc/X11/gdm.conf does > not seem to have what I am looking for, but I may have missed it. > > --scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Proud LTSP Developer ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Support LTSP! Buy your hardware at: www.DisklessWorkstations.com www.DisklessThinClients.com (use coupon code: LTSP5P for 5% off thin clients from DisklessThinClients.com) From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Tue Aug 29 14:58:21 2006 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:58:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] consistent desktops In-Reply-To: <44F43DA8.4020505@maltzen.net> References: <200608281606.25657.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> <200608290800.23466.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> <44F43DA8.4020505@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <200608290958.21669.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> On Tuesday 29 August 2006 08:14, Petre Scheie wrote: > yum install fuse > > It's in the Fedora Extras repo. Or did you mean something beyond that? > Well I did that and then I did modprobe fuse and it kicks back with an error saying that it can't find the fuse module. From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Tue Aug 29 15:00:53 2006 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:00:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] consistent desktops In-Reply-To: <20060829133830.3108.qmail@web31614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060829133830.3108.qmail@web31614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200608291000.53623.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> On Tuesday 29 August 2006 08:38, David Whitmer wrote: > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Petre Scheie > > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 5:28:27 PM > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] consistent desktops > > > > > > Yes, although there isn't a single tool that controls all these things, > > as some are destkop environment related, others are specific application > > related. For the desktop environment, e.g., menus & buttons, the tool > > depends on whether you're using Gnome (the default), KDE, or IceWM. For > > Gnome, use sabayon (I think you'll have to install it first). There's a > > similar tool for KDE and one for IceWM, but I forget their names; others > > here will probably remember. > > > > For firefox, I think the file to edit is prefs.js, and then distribute > > that to all users. > > > > Petre > > In KDE, the tool is Kiosk Admin Tool. > > David Whitmer > Calvary Schools of Holland, Michigan > Thanks, I'll take a look at that and see which one I can setup the desktop to the way I want it and make that the default desktop. From tkathan at charter.net Tue Aug 29 20:36:50 2006 From: tkathan at charter.net (Jim Kathan) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:36:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] import windows fonts? Message-ID: <1163530894.1156883810584.JavaMail.root@fepweb10> Is there a simple way to import Windows (truetype or?) Fonts into K12? I tried to copy and paste from a CD into the fonts folder and nothing seemed to happen. If I need to do an intermediary conversion, I would appreciate some advice on how to do that, if possible. I really appreciate all the help you great people give. I hope someday I can help others out with the knowledge I learn here. Thanks! Jim Kathan Vista Verde Elementary School From petre at maltzen.net Tue Aug 29 20:56:52 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:56:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] import windows fonts? In-Reply-To: <1163530894.1156883810584.JavaMail.root@fepweb10> References: <1163530894.1156883810584.JavaMail.root@fepweb10> Message-ID: <44F4AA14.5040809@maltzen.net> Login as root on the server, and in the Install Additional Software folder on the desktop, there is an icon you can click on to automatically download and install Windows fonts. Couldn't be easier. Petre Jim Kathan wrote: > Is there a simple way to import Windows (truetype or?) Fonts into K12? > I tried to copy and paste from a CD into the fonts folder and nothing seemed to happen. > If I need to do an intermediary conversion, I would appreciate some advice on how to do that, if possible. > I really appreciate all the help you great people give. I hope someday I can help others out with the knowledge I learn here. > > Thanks! > Jim Kathan > Vista Verde Elementary School > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From tkathan at charter.net Tue Aug 29 21:22:37 2006 From: tkathan at charter.net (Jim Kathan) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:22:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] import windows fonts? Message-ID: <1004442336.1156886557951.JavaMail.root@fepweb10> Petre, this is to install a group of particular fonts from a CD a staff member gave me...... I've already used the "get fonts" button inside the "install additional software" folder... ?? ---- Petre Scheie wrote: > Login as root on the server, and in the Install Additional Software folder on the > desktop, there is an icon you can click on to automatically download and install Windows > fonts. Couldn't be easier. > > Petre > > Jim Kathan wrote: > > Is there a simple way to import Windows (truetype or?) Fonts into K12? > > I tried to copy and paste from a CD into the fonts folder and nothing seemed to happen. > > If I need to do an intermediary conversion, I would appreciate some advice on how to do that, if possible. > > I really appreciate all the help you great people give. I hope someday I can help others out with the knowledge I learn here. > > > > Thanks! > > Jim Kathan > > Vista Verde Elementary School > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Tue Aug 29 23:06:34 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:06:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] import windows fonts? In-Reply-To: <1004442336.1156886557951.JavaMail.root@fepweb10> References: <1004442336.1156886557951.JavaMail.root@fepweb10> Message-ID: <1156892794.2875.149.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> From the www.fedorafaq.org : Q: How do I install fonts? Can I use Windows (.ttf) fonts? (Updated 4 May 2006) A: Yes, you can. Here's how you install fonts: 1. Under the "System" menu in the tray, choose "Preferences" and then "Fonts." 2. Click on the "Details..." button. 3. Click on "Go to font folder." Now simply drag & drop your fonts into the "Fonts" window to add them. You may have to log out and log in again to see them actually show up in that folder. If you have any programs open, you will need to close then and then open them again, to have the new fonts show up in those programs. On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 14:22 -0700, Jim Kathan wrote: > Petre, > this is to install a group of particular fonts from a CD a staff member gave me...... I've already used the "get fonts" button inside the "install additional software" folder... > > ?? > > ---- Petre Scheie wrote: > > Login as root on the server, and in the Install Additional Software folder on the > > desktop, there is an icon you can click on to automatically download and install Windows > > fonts. Couldn't be easier. > > > > Petre > > > > Jim Kathan wrote: > > > Is there a simple way to import Windows (truetype or?) Fonts into K12? > > > I tried to copy and paste from a CD into the fonts folder and nothing seemed to happen. > > > If I need to do an intermediary conversion, I would appreciate some advice on how to do that, if possible. > > > I really appreciate all the help you great people give. I hope someday I can help others out with the knowledge I learn here. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Jim Kathan > > > Vista Verde Elementary School > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. 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Now simply drag & drop your fonts into the "Fonts" window to add them. You may have to log out and log in again to see them actually show up in that folder. If you have any programs open, you will need to close then and then open them again, to have the new fonts show up in those programs. On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 14:22 -0700, Jim Kathan wrote: > Petre, > this is to install a group of particular fonts from a CD a staff member gave me...... I've already used the "get fonts" button inside the "install additional software" folder... > > ?? > > ---- Petre Scheie wrote: > > Login as root on the server, and in the Install Additional Software folder on the > > desktop, there is an icon you can click on to automatically download and install Windows > > fonts. Couldn't be easier. > > > > Petre > > > > Jim Kathan wrote: > > > Is there a simple way to import Windows (truetype or?) Fonts into K12? > > > I tried to copy and paste from a CD into the fonts folder and nothing seemed to happen. > > > If I need to do an intermediary conversion, I would appreciate some advice on how to do that, if possible. > > > I really appreciate all the help you great people give. I hope someday I can help others out with the knowledge I learn here. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Jim Kathan > > > Vista Verde Elementary School > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 00:56:58 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 06:26:58 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] import windows fonts? In-Reply-To: <1163530894.1156883810584.JavaMail.root@fepweb10> References: <1163530894.1156883810584.JavaMail.root@fepweb10> Message-ID: <774593a20608291756k4f24861bue9a27572623bbdac@mail.gmail.com> On 30/08/06, Jim Kathan wrote: > Is there a simple way to import Windows (truetype or?) Fonts into K12? > I tried to copy and paste from a CD into the fonts folder and nothing seemed to happen. > If I need to do an intermediary conversion, I would appreciate some advice on how to do that, if possible. > I really appreciate all the help you great people give. I hope someday I can help others out with the knowledge I learn here. > In a terminal change to root and type "get.msttcorefonts" Or you can use GUI under additional software install -- Regards, Sudev Barar From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Wed Aug 30 01:47:19 2006 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:47:19 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Cant VNC to server after installing Fl_TeacherTool Message-ID: <20060829154719.f963c162@trunks> After installing Fl_TeacherTool I can't VNC to the outside interface. Iptables rules are in there & vnc service is running. When I VNC in it displays a black screen with a cursor. Anyway to get VNC working again? 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URL: From robark at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 02:10:47 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:10:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Cant VNC to server after installing Fl_TeacherTool In-Reply-To: <20060829154719.f963c162@trunks> References: <20060829154719.f963c162@trunks> Message-ID: On 8/29/06, Wilson Chan wrote: > > After installing Fl_TeacherTool I can't VNC to the outside interface. > Iptables rules are in there & vnc service is running. When I VNC in it > displays a black screen with a cursor. Anyway to get VNC working again? Did you install fl_tt manually (tarball/compile) or with yum? Which vncviewer are you using to connect? tightvnc or realvnc? Wilson > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Wed Aug 30 02:39:24 2006 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:39:24 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Cant VNC to server after installing Fl_TeacherTool In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060829163924.dd40e991@trunks> > Did you install fl_tt manually (tarball/compile) or with yum? > Which vncviewer are you using to connect? tightvnc or realvnc? > Installed via Yum and used the instructions below. As for the viewer im using RealVNC. 1) Edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and uncomment (remove the "#") from the following line: X4_MODULE_02 = vnc 2) Now you'll have to make a password for the vnc-session. Run this command as root: /usr/bin/vncpasswd 3) Copy the password file into the ltsp-tree cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ When I SSH to the server I run "service vncserver start" I get the errors below but the status shows Xvnc as stopped. [root at server howto]# service vncserver start Starting VNC server: no displays configured [ OK ] [root at server howto]# service vncserver status Xvnc is stopped If I run "vncserver" from the CLI then "service vncserver status" then its running but I only get the black screen with a cursor. [root at server howto]# vncserver New 'server.ltsp:6 (root)' desktop is server.ltsp:6 Starting applications specified in /root/.vnc/xstartup Log file is /root/.vnc/server.ltsp:6.log [root at server howto]# service vncserver status Xvnc (pid 8531) is running... [root at server howto]# ps aux |grep vnc root 8531 1.5 0.4 27780 9932 pts/1 S 16:19 0:00 Xvnc :6 -desktop server.ltsp:6 (root) -httpd /usr/share/vnc/classes -auth /root/.Xauthority -geometry 1024x768 -depth 16 -rfbwait 30000 -rfbauth /root/.vnc/passwd -rfbport 5906 -pn root 8578 0.0 0.0 57052 700 pts/1 S+ 16:19 0:00 grep vnc [root at server howto]# From robark at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 02:35:30 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:35:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Cant VNC to server after installing Fl_TeacherTool In-Reply-To: <20060829163924.dd40e991@trunks> References: <20060829163924.dd40e991@trunks> Message-ID: On 8/29/06, Wilson Chan wrote: > > > Did you install fl_tt manually (tarball/compile) or with yum? > > Which vncviewer are you using to connect? tightvnc or realvnc? > > > Installed via Yum and used the instructions below. As for the viewer im > using RealVNC. > > 1) Edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and uncomment > (remove the "#") from the following line: > > X4_MODULE_02 = vnc > > 2) Now you'll have to make a password for the vnc-session. Run this > command as root: > > /usr/bin/vncpasswd > > 3) Copy the password file into the ltsp-tree > > cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ > > > When I SSH to the server I run "service vncserver start" I get the errors > below but the status shows Xvnc as stopped. I think vncserver should start automagically by itself when it's needed. I don't think you need to ssh in first to start vncserver. If your firewall is turned off or configured properly (not sure which ports need to be open) then remotely just try to vncviewer ip_of_server before you do this though reset everything on the server by using the F9 key (or reset item under file menu) in fl_tt. (or reboot) Let us know if it works. [root at server howto]# service vncserver start > Starting VNC server: no displays configured [ OK ] > > [root at server howto]# service vncserver status > Xvnc is stopped > > If I run "vncserver" from the CLI then "service vncserver status" then its > running but I only get the black screen with a cursor. > > [root at server howto]# vncserver > > New 'server.ltsp:6 (root)' desktop is server.ltsp:6 > Starting applications specified in /root/.vnc/xstartup > Log file is /root/.vnc/server.ltsp:6.log > > [root at server howto]# service vncserver status > Xvnc (pid 8531) is running... > [root at server howto]# ps aux |grep vnc > root 8531 1.5 0.4 27780 9932 pts/1 S 16:19 0:00 Xvnc :6 > -desktop server.ltsp:6 (root) -httpd /usr/share/vnc/classes -auth > /root/.Xauthority -geometry 1024x768 -depth 16 -rfbwait 30000 -rfbauth > /root/.vnc/passwd -rfbport 5906 -pn > root 8578 0.0 0.0 57052 700 pts/1 S+ 16:19 0:00 grep vnc > [root at server howto]# > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have changed the dhcpd.conf file to > reflect. > > Pleaes help. > > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Wed Aug 30 06:20:18 2006 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 02:20:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] file missing -- /usr/bin/enable Message-ID: I was trying to install Lexmark laser print drivers in cups on K12LTSP 5.0 64-bit and I get following error "file missing - /usr/bin/enable". I know this part of cups to enable printing on a print queue. What package installs this script? Thanks -Glenn From nils at breun.nl Wed Aug 30 10:10:17 2006 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:10:17 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] file missing -- /usr/bin/enable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51DCD7DE-EE4B-439A-AB1F-54FBDDFCF29A@breun.nl> Glenn Arnold wrote: > I was trying to install Lexmark laser print drivers in cups on K12LTSP > 5.0 64-bit and I get following error "file missing - /usr/bin/enable". > I know this part of cups to enable printing on a print queue. What > package installs this script? I don't have K12LTSP server handy, but on a CentOS 4.3 machine I get this: # rpm -qf /usr/bin/enable cups-1.1.22-0.rc1.9.10 Guess it's part of the cups package on Fedora/K12LTSP too then. Nils Breunese. From aaronmfeld at yahoo.com Wed Aug 30 11:21:18 2006 From: aaronmfeld at yahoo.com (Aaron Feldman) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] turboprint not working Message-ID: <20060830112118.53055.qmail@web32915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm having a time with getting turboprint working on the latest k12ltsp, also so far I cannot get a nxclient playing happily with my nxserver at work. help!!! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Wed Aug 30 12:41:13 2006 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 06:41:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool Message-ID: <44F58769.2070800@earthlink.net> I installed the latest teacher tool using the instructions on Robert Arkiletian's webpage, Fl_TeacherTool 0.34, primarily to use the VNC desktop for demonstrating in the lab. We do not have a projector in our lab, so every year I have to figure out how to use the vncserver/vncreflector for this purpose. This year we are trying Fl_TeacherTool. I have it installed and it seems to be working. However, when I launch VNC to some desktops from Fl_TeacherTool, the desktop that is displayed is larger than the desktop already there, and I cannot see or get to the taskbar to use the start button or open a terminal window to start an application for demonstration. Where is the size of the desktop/display set? I believe the titlebar on the VNC display refers to TightVNC. I've almost got it working for the lab teacher to begin using it next week. I just need to finish testing with a few students logged in and getting used to how it works and what all Fl_TeacherTool does. Thanks for any tips! Rita Gibson RMSELTech From petre at maltzen.net Wed Aug 30 13:17:24 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:17:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Cant VNC to server after installing Fl_TeacherTool In-Reply-To: References: <20060829163924.dd40e991@trunks> Message-ID: <44F58FE4.6060403@maltzen.net> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > On 8/29/06, *Wilson Chan* > wrote: > > > Did you install fl_tt manually (tarball/compile) or with yum? > > Which vncviewer are you using to connect? tightvnc or realvnc? > > > Installed via Yum and used the instructions below. As for the viewer > im using RealVNC. > > 1) Edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and uncomment > (remove the "#") from the following line: > > X4_MODULE_02 = vnc > > 2) Now you'll have to make a password for the vnc-session. Run > this > command as root: > > /usr/bin/vncpasswd > > 3) Copy the password file into the ltsp-tree > > cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ > > > When I SSH to the server I run "service vncserver start" I get the > errors below but the status shows Xvnc as stopped. > > > > I think vncserver should start automagically by itself when it's needed. > I don't think you need to ssh in first to start vncserver. vncserver is launched by xinetd. I believe the startup script for it is /etc/xinetd.d/vncts.ltsp. Petre From petre at maltzen.net Wed Aug 30 13:26:55 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:26:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] file missing -- /usr/bin/enable In-Reply-To: <51DCD7DE-EE4B-439A-AB1F-54FBDDFCF29A@breun.nl> References: <51DCD7DE-EE4B-439A-AB1F-54FBDDFCF29A@breun.nl> Message-ID: <44F5921F.7050202@maltzen.net> Nils Breunese wrote: > Glenn Arnold wrote: > >> I was trying to install Lexmark laser print drivers in cups on K12LTSP >> 5.0 64-bit and I get following error "file missing - /usr/bin/enable". >> I know this part of cups to enable printing on a print queue. What >> package installs this script? > > I don't have K12LTSP server handy, but on a CentOS 4.3 machine I get this: > > # rpm -qf /usr/bin/enable > cups-1.1.22-0.rc1.9.10 > > Guess it's part of the cups package on Fedora/K12LTSP too then. > > Nils Breunese. > It appears that /usr/bin/enable may have been replaced by /usr/sbin/cupsenable. Looking at the man page for cupsenable, it looks like it does the same thing as enable. Try creating a symlink: ln -s /usr/sbin/cupsenable /usr/bin/enable See if that helps. Petre From nils at breun.nl Wed Aug 30 13:46:18 2006 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:46:18 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] file missing -- /usr/bin/enable In-Reply-To: <44F5921F.7050202@maltzen.net> References: <51DCD7DE-EE4B-439A-AB1F-54FBDDFCF29A@breun.nl> <44F5921F.7050202@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <30B7A1C4-0D78-4161-80D2-E32AFC223762@breun.nl> Peter Scheie wrote: > Nils Breunese wrote: >> Glenn Arnold wrote: >>> I was trying to install Lexmark laser print drivers in cups on >>> K12LTSP >>> 5.0 64-bit and I get following error "file missing - /usr/bin/ >>> enable". >>> I know this part of cups to enable printing on a print queue. What >>> package installs this script? >> I don't have K12LTSP server handy, but on a CentOS 4.3 machine I >> get this: >> # rpm -qf /usr/bin/enable >> cups-1.1.22-0.rc1.9.10 >> Guess it's part of the cups package on Fedora/K12LTSP too then. >> Nils Breunese. > It appears that /usr/bin/enable may have been replaced by /usr/sbin/ > cupsenable. Indeed. On my FC5 workstation I see this: # rpm -ql cups | grep enable /usr/sbin/cupsenable /usr/share/doc/cups-1.2.2/help/man-cupsenable.html /usr/share/man/man8/cupsenable.8.gz Nils Breunese. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Aug 30 13:47:35 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:47:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP In-Reply-To: <20060830013451.37429.qmail@web82108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060830013451.37429.qmail@web82108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you want it to issue numbers in the range 192.168.2.x then there must be an adapter with an ip in that range to send the addresses through. IOW if you have two adapters and the public one is 170.2xx.xx.xx (or whatever) and the private one is 912.168.1.x and you wish to issue numbers in the 2.x range, dhcp will fail, or not hand out addresses. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Peter kenaston wrote: > All, > > I am running K12LTSP's Fedora 5 version of Linux. I am haveing trouble getting DHCP to work. It says that it is running, however it does not issue any IP's. It did work at first issuing 192.168.1.X numbers. I desire it to issue 192.168.2.x numbers. I have changed the dhcpd.conf file to reflect. > > Pleaes help. > > Peter From a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us Wed Aug 30 14:47:06 2006 From: a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us (Alexander Hicks) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:47:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] terminals now fail to boot In-Reply-To: <20060830013451.37429.qmail@web82108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Everybody, I've just setup a server with K12LTSP 4.4.1 and had everything working fine until I imported users and rsync'd the home folders ~ now none of the terminals will boot - they hang with the messages below. Free beer and a round of golf at our course if you can help! New server setup was as follows: >From Last year's FC3 sever (same machine as this year): Export Users to our FC4 (4.4.1) proxy server via Webmin Export home folders to proxy server with rsync -essh -av . 192.168.0.12:/home Ignore message about possible "man in the middle attack" Clean, default, install of LTSP 4.4.1 on old server (now new server). Setup DNS on new server All terminals boot without problems (by either PXE or Universal Floppy) Install Webmin on new server. Import users from proxy server to new server via Webmin Export home folders from proxy server to new server with rsync -essh -av . 192.168.0.254:/home Ignore message about possible "man in the middle attack" Home folders moved without incident. Terminals now hang with the following message: (by PXE) Client Mac Addr: 00 13 90 00 f7 a7 Client IP: 192.168.0.192 Mask 255.255.255.0 DHCP IP: 192.168.0.254 Gateway IP: 192.168.0.254 PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout TFTP. -or, by universal floppy Me: 192.168.0.188 Server: 255.255.255.0 Gateway: 192.168.0.254 Loading 192.168.0.254:/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp... Eventually they both declare boot failure and request a reset. We have a wide variety of terminals and all show this message (with changing local IP's) The server appears to be working fine, handing out addresses to both Win and Linux machines, as well as network devices Internet through K12LTSP server is fine Samba from Proxy is also fine. Yum updating all now and hoping that a reboot will fix it, but I doubt it as I've already repeated everything above, just to see if I screwed something up the first time. I have very limited knowledge of how Linux works, so any help to get our campus going would be really appreciated. 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I've recently been appointed as the 1st line contact for all education queries & relationship for Canonical: * Ubuntu * Edubuntu * Kubuntu While I'm more people and relationship focused rather than technical, I'm hoping to help with the bridging of assistance between this user community and the Ubuntu technical support resources when there are issues of mutual interest or impact. Please feel free to mail me directly with queries or questions, or to cc me on Ubuntu related posts to this list. While I am digging through old posts to get up to speed, please resend anything that is still unresolved to me directly. Thanks and regards Richard -- Richard Weideman richard.edubuntu at gmail.com Ubuntu Education Programme Manager http://www.edubuntu.org http://www.ubuntu.com From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Wed Aug 30 15:24:02 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:24:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] terminals now fail to boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1156951442.2875.212.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 10:47 -0400, Alexander Hicks wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > > > I?ve just setup a server with K12LTSP 4.4.1 and had everything working > fine until I imported users and rsync?d the home folders ~ now none of > the terminals will boot ? they hang with the messages below. Free > beer and a round of golf at our course if you can help! > > > > New server setup was as follows: > > > > Terminals now hang with the following message: > > (by PXE) > > Client Mac Addr: 00 13 90 00 f7 a7 > > Client IP: 192.168.0.192 Mask 255.255.255.0 DHCP IP: 192.168.0.254 > > Gateway IP: 192.168.0.254 > > PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout > > TFTP? > > The symptoms indicate that the TFTP server is not running. Verify you have the tftpd installed and running (it often starts from /etc/xinetd.d/tftp as an xinetd service). Also verify that the PXE boot files are located properly in the location/tree indicated in the /etc/dhcp.conf file. The other thing to check for if firewall. Be sure that tftp port is open (69 udp and tcp) and multicast-tftp (1758 udp and tcp) > -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[SNIP] > > > > (by PXE) > > > > Client Mac Addr: 00 13 90 00 f7 a7 > > > > Client IP: 192.168.0.192 Mask 255.255.255.0 DHCP IP: 192.168.0.254 > > > > Gateway IP: 192.168.0.254 > > > > PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout > > > > TFTP? > > Check up that the dhcpd.conf and confirm that the file being pointed towards is /tftp/lts/vmlinuz.pxe Typically the dhcpd.conf file would be pointing towards some specific kernel version while you have upgraded to newer kernel. I do not have access to my server right now but look carefully at /tftp directory and the /etc/dhcpd.conf Then tell me if the round is on you!! -- Regards, Sudev Barar From richard.edubuntu at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 15:58:05 2006 From: richard.edubuntu at gmail.com (Richard Weideman) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:58:05 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinion: CD vs DVD vs Download for Schools Release Message-ID: <1156953485.5350.250.camel@localhost> Hi, Here's an issue of great debate in the Edubuntu circles, and I've been asked to solicit your opinions. What does this audience consider the best compromise route if a bundled education release starts to run into the 1 CD storage limit ? Bearing in mind the following constraints: * many school environment run on older equipment = more CD than DVD drives * many schools don't have great Internet connectivity = download of add-on packages can be tedious or even impossible * a 2 CD release adds to press & print & ship cost overheads = for a 100% free request & receive send end user offering Opinions & comments welcome. Richard -- Richard Weideman richard.edubuntu at gmail.com Ubuntu Education Programme Manager http://www.edubuntu.org http://www.ubuntu.com From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 16:37:15 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:07:15 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinion: CD vs DVD vs Download for Schools Release In-Reply-To: <1156953485.5350.250.camel@localhost> References: <1156953485.5350.250.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <774593a20608300937i525d7a9dn3f4b4b52fc1eafe0@mail.gmail.com> On 30/08/06, Richard Weideman wrote: > What does this audience consider the best compromise route if a bundled > education release starts to run into the 1 CD storage limit ? > While storage adds costs it is relevant to know that lots of schools (all over the world) may not have bandwidth, even connectivity. After a thought it is not an easy list to leave out things out of K12 offerings. BUT if the end institution is going to have a server for terminal services it is more than likely to have DVD now. Just my $0.02 -- Regards, Sudev Barar From mel at melwade.com Wed Aug 30 17:01:07 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:01:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu & Edubuntu : Canonical Education Programme Manager - Personal Introduction In-Reply-To: <1156949998.5350.230.camel@localhost> References: <1156949998.5350.230.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <43080f460608301001l5976efa0s459d90526d466b95@mail.gmail.com> How does this relate to the K12LSTP? Mel On 8/30/06, Richard Weideman wrote: > > Hello all, > > This is a brief intro to the list members, with kind permission from > Eric Harrison - the instigator behind the Edubuntu version of Ubuntu. > > I've recently been appointed as the 1st line contact for all education > queries & relationship for Canonical: > * Ubuntu > * Edubuntu > * Kubuntu > > While I'm more people and relationship focused rather than technical, > I'm hoping to help with the bridging of assistance between this user > community and the Ubuntu technical support resources when there are > issues of mutual interest or impact. > > Please feel free to mail me directly with queries or questions, or to > cc me on Ubuntu related posts to this list. > > While I am digging through old posts to get up to speed, please resend > anything that is still unresolved to me directly. > > Thanks and regards > Richard > -- > Richard Weideman > richard.edubuntu at gmail.com > > Ubuntu Education Programme Manager > http://www.edubuntu.org > http://www.ubuntu.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: PO BOX 620753 Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 781-799-4938 eFax: 309-214-0899 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Richard Weideman > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:58 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Opinion: CD vs DVD vs Download for Schools Release > > > Hi, > > Here's an issue of great debate in the Edubuntu circles, and I've been > asked to solicit your opinions. > > What does this audience consider the best compromise route if a bundled > education release starts to run into the 1 CD storage limit ? > > Bearing in mind the following constraints: > > * many school environment run on older equipment > = more CD than DVD drives > > * many schools don't have great Internet connectivity > = download of add-on packages can be tedious or even impossible > > * a 2 CD release adds to press & print & ship cost overheads > = for a 100% free request & receive send end user offering > > Opinions & comments welcome. > > Richard > -- > Richard Weideman > richard.edubuntu at gmail.com > > Ubuntu Education Programme Manager > http://www.edubuntu.org > http://www.ubuntu.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Wed Aug 30 18:43:01 2006 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:43:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinion: CD vs DVD vs Download for Schools Release In-Reply-To: <1156953485.5350.250.camel@localhost> References: <1156953485.5350.250.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1156963382.2803.29.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 17:58 +0200, Richard Weideman wrote: > Hi, > > Here's an issue of great debate in the Edubuntu circles, and I've been > asked to solicit your opinions. > > What does this audience consider the best compromise route if a bundled > education release starts to run into the 1 CD storage limit ? > Network installs from a repository distributable on CDs. Then you send one set of CDs to a school or school district. They install the packages on their local server and perform a network install off that repository. In most cases, this is faster than reading from the CD drive and shuffling disks for every computer you bring up :-) -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us Wed Aug 30 19:05:51 2006 From: a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us (Alexander Hicks) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:05:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] terminals now fail to boot - Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ok, so I've checked to ensure that TFTP and XINETD are running (they are). I've also checked to see that the dhcp.conf file points to files that exist. I couldn't open those files to peek at them, should I be able to? I Downloaded and installed all of the updates for 4.4 and rebooted server, but the terminals still fail to boot. The thing that kills me is that all of the terminals worked before I webmin'd in the users and then used this command "rsync -essh -av . 192.168.0.254:/home" to move the home folders over. I don't really know how it works, but all of the folders seem to have come over fine and all of my users are there. The passwords for the users are messed up, though. If I reset the passwords, I can login as any user on the terminal and the student material appears in their home folder. Would Importing users or the rsync command somehow affect the permissions on other files (like vmlinuz.ltsp)? I'm willing to reload 4.4.1 or 5 (which I tried earlier, but ran into the same problem) and put all of the student work in a public folder for them to import themselves, if the problem exists with my use of the rsync, but rebuilding the 350 users is a pain (although I looks like I have to reset their passwords anyway - is there a cool command for that?) Huge thanks for all of the suggestions so far. ~Alex Ps: I'll add a sightseeing trip down the Piscataqua River and out around the Isles of Shoals to the Beer and Golf award. (Travel to NH not included - sorry) ____________________________________ Alexander Hicks Technology Coordinator Shaker Road School 131 Shaker Road Concord, NH 03301 (603) 224-0161 ~ Voice (603) 226-0257 ~ Fax a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Wed Aug 30 19:11:47 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:11:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinion: CD vs DVD vs Download for Schools Release In-Reply-To: <774593a20608300937i525d7a9dn3f4b4b52fc1eafe0@mail.gmail.com> References: <1156953485.5350.250.camel@localhost> <774593a20608300937i525d7a9dn3f4b4b52fc1eafe0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1156965108.11958.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 22:07 +0530, Sudev Barar wrote: > While storage adds costs it is relevant to know that lots of schools > (all over the world) may not have bandwidth, even connectivity. Could they borrow an ipod long enough to cart in a few gigs of data? -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 19:15:44 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:15:44 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinion: CD vs DVD vs Download for Schools Release In-Reply-To: <1156965108.11958.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1156953485.5350.250.camel@localhost> <774593a20608300937i525d7a9dn3f4b4b52fc1eafe0@mail.gmail.com> <1156965108.11958.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: Some of the applications may be more applicable to primary or secondary level. Maybe there could be different cds for different levels. I don't know if it would make much difference in size though. On 31/08/06, Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 22:07 +0530, Sudev Barar wrote: > > > While storage adds costs it is relevant to know that lots of schools > > (all over the world) may not have bandwidth, even connectivity. > > Could they borrow an ipod long enough to cart in a few gigs of data? > > -- > Les Mikesell > lesmikesell at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us Wed Aug 30 19:16:09 2006 From: a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us (Alexander Hicks) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:16:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] terminals now fail to boot - Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Correction - After I reset passwords, I can login as any user on the server (not terminal, they're dead a that point). Sorry. ~ Alex _____ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Alexander Hicks Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 3:06 PM To: 'Support list for open source software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] terminals now fail to boot - Update --> Ok, so I've checked to ensure that TFTP and XINETD are running (they are). I've also checked to see that the dhcp.conf file points to files that exist. I couldn't open those files to peek at them, should I be able to? I Downloaded and installed all of the updates for 4.4 and rebooted server, but the terminals still fail to boot. The thing that kills me is that all of the terminals worked before I webmin'd in the users and then used this command "rsync -essh -av . 192.168.0.254:/home" to move the home folders over. I don't really know how it works, but all of the folders seem to have come over fine and all of my users are there. The passwords for the users are messed up, though. If I reset the passwords, I can login as any user on the SERVER (not terminal) and the student material appears in their home folder. Would Importing users or the rsync command somehow affect the permissions on other files (like vmlinuz.ltsp)? I'm willing to reload 4.4.1 or 5 (which I tried earlier, but ran into the same problem) and put all of the student work in a public folder for them to import themselves, if the problem exists with my use of the rsync, but rebuilding the 350 users is a pain (although I looks like I have to reset their passwords anyway - is there a cool command for that?) Huge thanks for all of the suggestions so far. ~Alex Ps: I'll add a sightseeing trip down the Piscataqua River and out around the Isles of Shoals to the Beer and Golf award. (Travel to NH not included - sorry) ____________________________________ Alexander Hicks Technology Coordinator Shaker Road School 131 Shaker Road Concord, NH 03301 (603) 224-0161 ~ Voice (603) 226-0257 ~ Fax a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Wed Aug 30 19:34:49 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:34:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] terminals now fail to boot - Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1156966489.2875.233.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> At this point, try turning off iptables service iptables stop then try rebooting a terminal. On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 15:16 -0400, Alexander Hicks wrote: > Correction ? After I reset passwords, I can login as any user on the > server (not terminal, they?re dead a that point)? > > Sorry. ~ Alex > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Alexander Hicks > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 3:06 PM > To: 'Support list for open source software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] terminals now fail to boot - Update > > > > --> > > Ok, so I?ve checked to ensure that TFTP and XINETD are running (they > are). I?ve also checked to see that the dhcp.conf file points to files > that exist. I couldn?t open those files to peek at them, should I be > able to? I Downloaded and installed all of the updates for 4.4 and > rebooted server, but the terminals still fail to boot. > > The thing that kills me is that all of the terminals worked before I > webmin?d in the users and then used this command ?rsync ?essh ?av . > 192.168.0.254:/home? to move the home folders over. I don?t really > know how it works, but all of the folders seem to have come over fine > and all of my users are there. The passwords for the users are messed > up, though. If I reset the passwords, I can login as any user on the > SERVER (not terminal) and the student material appears in their home > folder. > > Would Importing users or the rsync command somehow affect the > permissions on other files (like vmlinuz.ltsp)? > > I?m willing to reload 4.4.1 or 5 (which I tried earlier, but ran into > the same problem) and put all of the student work in a public folder > for them to import themselves, if the problem exists with my use of > the rsync, but rebuilding the 350 users is a pain (although I looks > like I have to reset their passwords anyway ? is there a cool command > for that?) > > Huge thanks for all of the suggestions so far. > ~Alex > > Ps: I?ll add a sightseeing trip down the Piscataqua River and out > around the Isles of Shoals to the Beer and Golf award. (Travel to NH > not included ? sorry) > ____________________________________ > > Alexander Hicks > Technology Coordinator > Shaker Road School > 131 Shaker Road > Concord, NH 03301 > (603) 224-0161 ~ Voice > (603) 226-0257 ~ Fax > a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, August 30, 2006 3:05 pm, Alexander Hicks wrote: > Ok, so I've checked to ensure that TFTP and XINETD are running (they are). > I've also checked to see that the dhcp.conf file points to files that > exist. > I couldn't open those files to peek at them, should I be able to? I > Downloaded and installed all of the updates for 4.4 and rebooted server, > but > the terminals still fail to boot. > > The thing that kills me is that all of the terminals worked before I > webmin'd in the users and then used this command "rsync -essh -av . > 192.168.0.254:/home" to move the home folders over. I don't really know > how > it works, but all of the folders seem to have come over fine and all of my > users are there. The passwords for the users are messed up, though. If I > reset the passwords, I can login as any user on the terminal and the > student > material appears in their home folder. > > Would Importing users or the rsync command somehow affect the permissions > on > other files (like vmlinuz.ltsp)? > > I'm willing to reload 4.4.1 or 5 (which I tried earlier, but ran into the > same problem) and put all of the student work in a public folder for them > to > import themselves, if the problem exists with my use of the rsync, but > rebuilding the 350 users is a pain (although I looks like I have to reset > their passwords anyway - is there a cool command for that?) > > Huge thanks for all of the suggestions so far. > ~Alex > > Ps: I'll add a sightseeing trip down the Piscataqua River and out around > the > Isles of Shoals to the Beer and Golf award. (Travel to NH not included - > sorry) > ____________________________________ > > Alexander Hicks > Technology Coordinator > Shaker Road School > 131 Shaker Road > Concord, NH 03301 > (603) 224-0161 ~ Voice > (603) 226-0257 ~ Fax > a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Wed Aug 30 19:56:16 2006 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:56:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FYI: FC5 and Dell Optiplex GX620 Message-ID: <200608301456.16157.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> I finally got FC5 to install on the Dell PC. The system was hanging up at the point where it was going to format the HD. I saw a posting to use "linux nodmraid" at the boot screen and it worked just great afterwards. I now have the K21LTSP 5.0 installed and running. Ray From a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us Wed Aug 30 20:27:13 2006 From: a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us (Alexander Hicks) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:27:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] terminals now fail to boot - Update In-Reply-To: <40691.68.250.145.129.1156967677.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim, Thanks to the link to the wiki. I made the change to include next-server 192.168.0.254; but still no boot. It appears that I have Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Server v3.0.2 (thanks to an error msg. when I forgot the ; on the 1st try) Terminals still fail to boot. ~Alex -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim McQuillan Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 3:55 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Cc: 'Support list for open source software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] terminals now fail to boot - Update In your updates, it's possible that dhcpd got updated to the newest 3.0.3 release, which has a problem that requires the addition of 'next-server' to the config file. Take a look at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DhcpdSiaddr for more info about the problem and solution. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Wed Aug 30 20:47:23 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:47:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] terminals now fail to boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44F5F95B.8020305@sau14.k12.nh.us> Alex, How is the cabling set up on this new server? Two NICs or one? What are the cables hooked into (on the server). I had a similar error and it ended up being that one of our techs accidentally plugged one of the cables directly into the router which caused the exact TFTP issue you are describing. Just another thing to check. -Paul Alexander Hicks wrote: > > Hi Everybody, > > I?ve just setup a server with K12LTSP 4.4.1 and had everything working > fine until I imported users and rsync?d the home folders ~ now none of > the terminals will boot ? they hang with the messages below. Free beer > and a round of golf at our course if you can help! > > New server setup was as follows: > > From Last year?s FC3 sever (same machine as this year): > > Export Users to our FC4 (4.4.1) proxy server via Webmin > > Export home folders to proxy server with rsync ?essh ?av . > 192.168.0.12:/home > > Ignore message about possible ?man in the middle attack? > > Clean, default, install of LTSP 4.4.1 on old server (now new server). > > Setup DNS on new server > > All terminals boot without problems (by either PXE or Universal Floppy) > > Install Webmin on new server. > > Import users from proxy server to new server via Webmin > > Export home folders from proxy server to new server with rsync ?essh > ?av . 192.168.0.254:/home > > Ignore message about possible ?man in the middle attack? > > Home folders moved without incident. > > Terminals now hang with the following message: > > (by PXE) > > Client Mac Addr: 00 13 90 00 f7 a7 > > Client IP: 192.168.0.192 Mask 255.255.255.0 DHCP IP: 192.168.0.254 > > Gateway IP: 192.168.0.254 > > PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout > > TFTP? > > -or, by universal floppy > > Me: 192.168.0.188 Server: 255.255.255.0 Gateway: 192.168.0.254 > > Loading 192.168.0.254:/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp?.. > > Eventually they both declare boot failure and request a reset. > > We have a wide variety of terminals and all show this message (with > changing local IP?s) > > The server appears to be working fine, handing out addresses to both > Win and Linux machines, as well as network devices > > Internet through K12LTSP server is fine > > Samba from Proxy is also fine. > > Yum updating all now and hoping that a reboot will fix it, but I doubt > it as I?ve already repeated everything above, just to see if I screwed > something up the first time? > > I have very limited knowledge of how Linux works, so any help to get > our campus going would be really appreciated? > > Thanks > > ~Alex > > Alexander Hicks > > Technology Coordinator > > Shaker Road School > > 131 Shaker Road > > Concord , NH 03301 > > (603) 224-0161 ~ Voice > > (603) 226-0257 ~ Fax > > a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Paul VanGundy Director of Technology Epping School District P: 603.679.8003 x105 F: 603.679.2196 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us From a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us Wed Aug 30 19:51:48 2006 From: a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us (Alexander Hicks) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:51:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] terminals now fail to boot - Update In-Reply-To: <1156966489.2875.233.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: Turned off iptables and received three "ok" messages - terminals remain unchanged. Turned off firewall for good measure, still no joy. I can add a pool party, if necessary. ~Alex -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of James P. Kinney III Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 3:35 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] terminals now fail to boot - Update At this point, try turning off iptables service iptables stop then try rebooting a terminal. On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 15:16 -0400, Alexander Hicks wrote: > Correction - After I reset passwords, I can login as any user on the > server (not terminal, they're dead a that point). > > Sorry. ~ Alex > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Alexander Hicks > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 3:06 PM > To: 'Support list for open source software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] terminals now fail to boot - Update > > > > --> > > Ok, so I've checked to ensure that TFTP and XINETD are running (they > are). I've also checked to see that the dhcp.conf file points to files > that exist. I couldn't open those files to peek at them, should I be > able to? I Downloaded and installed all of the updates for 4.4 and > rebooted server, but the terminals still fail to boot. > > The thing that kills me is that all of the terminals worked before I > webmin'd in the users and then used this command "rsync -essh -av . > 192.168.0.254:/home" to move the home folders over. I don't really > know how it works, but all of the folders seem to have come over fine > and all of my users are there. The passwords for the users are messed > up, though. If I reset the passwords, I can login as any user on the > SERVER (not terminal) and the student material appears in their home > folder. > > Would Importing users or the rsync command somehow affect the > permissions on other files (like vmlinuz.ltsp)? > > I'm willing to reload 4.4.1 or 5 (which I tried earlier, but ran into > the same problem) and put all of the student work in a public folder > for them to import themselves, if the problem exists with my use of > the rsync, but rebuilding the 350 users is a pain (although I looks > like I have to reset their passwords anyway - is there a cool command > for that?) > > Huge thanks for all of the suggestions so far. > ~Alex > > Ps: I'll add a sightseeing trip down the Piscataqua River and out > around the Isles of Shoals to the Beer and Golf award. (Travel to NH > not included - sorry) > ____________________________________ > > Alexander Hicks > Technology Coordinator > Shaker Road School > 131 Shaker Road > Concord, NH 03301 > (603) 224-0161 ~ Voice > (603) 226-0257 ~ Fax > a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 From jam at mcquil.com Wed Aug 30 20:52:34 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] terminals now fail to boot - Update In-Reply-To: References: <40691.68.250.145.129.1156967677.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: <54091.68.250.145.129.1156971154.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Alexander, If you can get on the #ltsp IRC channel on irc.freenode.net, I can help you interactively, and probably have it up and running in a matter of minutes. I'm logged in now (4:52pm EDT), and will be for the next 30-45 minutes if you wanna give it a try. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, August 30, 2006 4:27 pm, Alexander Hicks wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Thanks to the link to the wiki. I made the change to include next-server > 192.168.0.254; but still no boot. It appears that I have Internet Systems > Consortium DHCP Server v3.0.2 (thanks to an error msg. when I forgot the ; > on the 1st try) > > Terminals still fail to boot. > > ~Alex > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf > Of Jim McQuillan > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 3:55 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Cc: 'Support list for open source software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] terminals now fail to boot - Update > > In your updates, it's possible that dhcpd got updated to the newest 3.0.3 > release, which has a problem that requires the addition of 'next-server' > to the config file. > > Take a look at: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DhcpdSiaddr > > for more info about the problem and solution. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Wed Aug 30 20:55:03 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:55:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] terminals now fail to boot - Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1156971303.2875.239.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Hook up a laptop inside the dhcp lan area and run nmap -sT -P0 I still suspect an iptables issue. On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 16:27 -0400, Alexander Hicks wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Thanks to the link to the wiki. I made the change to include next-server > 192.168.0.254; but still no boot. It appears that I have Internet Systems > Consortium DHCP Server v3.0.2 (thanks to an error msg. when I forgot the ; > on the 1st try) > > Terminals still fail to boot. > > ~Alex > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Jim McQuillan > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 3:55 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Cc: 'Support list for open source software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] terminals now fail to boot - Update > > In your updates, it's possible that dhcpd got updated to the newest 3.0.3 > release, which has a problem that requires the addition of 'next-server' > to the config file. > > Take a look at: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DhcpdSiaddr > > for more info about the problem and solution. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. 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It appears that I have Internet Systems > Consortium DHCP Server v3.0.2 (thanks to an error msg. when I forgot the ; > on the 1st try) > > Terminals still fail to boot. > > ~Alex > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Jim McQuillan > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 3:55 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Cc: 'Support list for open source software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] terminals now fail to boot - Update > > In your updates, it's possible that dhcpd got updated to the newest 3.0.3 > release, which has a problem that requires the addition of 'next-server' > to the config file. > > Take a look at: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DhcpdSiaddr > > for more info about the problem and solution. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Proud LTSP Developer ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Support LTSP! Buy your hardware at: www.DisklessWorkstations.com www.DisklessThinClients.com (use coupon code: LTSP5P for 5% off thin clients from DisklessThinClients.com) From a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us Wed Aug 30 21:08:25 2006 From: a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us (Alexander Hicks) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:08:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] terminals now fail to boot In-Reply-To: <44F5F95B.8020305@sau14.k12.nh.us> Message-ID: Thanks Paul Two NICs. One to the router and out to the cable modem, the other to the network switch. I haven't changed the cables and all of our windows boxes are finding their way into the K12LTSP server and out to the Internet and back, so I assume that they are fine. Our Windows boxes get their DHCP address from the Linux Server. Really, regardless of version, everything seems fine until I load the users and then rsync in the home folders. I can swap the cables, just to be sure (as I've seen weirder things happen). ~Alex -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Paul VanGundy Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 4:47 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] terminals now fail to boot Alex, How is the cabling set up on this new server? Two NICs or one? What are the cables hooked into (on the server). I had a similar error and it ended up being that one of our techs accidentally plugged one of the cables directly into the router which caused the exact TFTP issue you are describing. Just another thing to check. -Paul Alexander Hicks wrote: > > Hi Everybody, > > I've just setup a server with K12LTSP 4.4.1 and had everything working > fine until I imported users and rsync'd the home folders ~ now none of > the terminals will boot - they hang with the messages below. Free beer > and a round of golf at our course if you can help! > > New server setup was as follows: > > From Last year's FC3 sever (same machine as this year): > > Export Users to our FC4 (4.4.1) proxy server via Webmin > > Export home folders to proxy server with rsync -essh -av . > 192.168.0.12:/home > > Ignore message about possible "man in the middle attack" > > Clean, default, install of LTSP 4.4.1 on old server (now new server). > > Setup DNS on new server > > All terminals boot without problems (by either PXE or Universal Floppy) > > Install Webmin on new server. > > Import users from proxy server to new server via Webmin > > Export home folders from proxy server to new server with rsync -essh > -av . 192.168.0.254:/home > > Ignore message about possible "man in the middle attack" > > Home folders moved without incident. > > Terminals now hang with the following message: > > (by PXE) > > Client Mac Addr: 00 13 90 00 f7 a7 > > Client IP: 192.168.0.192 Mask 255.255.255.0 DHCP IP: 192.168.0.254 > > Gateway IP: 192.168.0.254 > > PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout > > TFTP. > > -or, by universal floppy > > Me: 192.168.0.188 Server: 255.255.255.0 Gateway: 192.168.0.254 > > Loading 192.168.0.254:/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp... > > Eventually they both declare boot failure and request a reset. > > We have a wide variety of terminals and all show this message (with > changing local IP's) > > The server appears to be working fine, handing out addresses to both > Win and Linux machines, as well as network devices > > Internet through K12LTSP server is fine > > Samba from Proxy is also fine. > > Yum updating all now and hoping that a reboot will fix it, but I doubt > it as I've already repeated everything above, just to see if I screwed > something up the first time. > > I have very limited knowledge of how Linux works, so any help to get > our campus going would be really appreciated. > > Thanks > > ~Alex > > Alexander Hicks > > Technology Coordinator > > Shaker Road School > > 131 Shaker Road > > Concord , NH 03301 > > (603) 224-0161 ~ Voice > > (603) 226-0257 ~ Fax > > a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Paul VanGundy Director of Technology Epping School District P: 603.679.8003 x105 F: 603.679.2196 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From robark at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 21:14:12 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:14:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool In-Reply-To: <44F58769.2070800@earthlink.net> References: <44F58769.2070800@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On 8/30/06, Rita Gibson wrote: > > > I installed the latest teacher tool using the instructions on Robert > Arkiletian's webpage, Fl_TeacherTool 0.34, primarily to use the VNC > desktop for demonstrating in the lab. We do not have a projector in our > lab, so every year I have to figure out how to use the > vncserver/vncreflector for this purpose. This year we are trying > Fl_TeacherTool. > > I have it installed and it seems to be working. However, when I launch > VNC to some desktops from Fl_TeacherTool, the desktop that is displayed > is larger than the desktop already there, and I cannot see or get to the > taskbar to use the start button or open a terminal window to start an > application for demonstration. > > Where is the size of the desktop/display set? I believe the titlebar on My default value seems to be 800x600. Since all my clients run 1024x768 it's never been a problem for me. What is your desktop size? In any case you should have scroll bars on the edges of the window to find the start menu. I will consider adding a user setting (in the input box) to the next version of fl_tt to set the window size for the broadcast. If you don't like the way it works now I can send you a hard coded version of my source to always give you the resolution you want. the VNC display refers to TightVNC. I've almost got it working for the > lab teacher to begin using it next week. I just need to finish testing > with a few students logged in and getting used to how it works and what > all Fl_TeacherTool does. > > Thanks for any tips! > > Rita Gibson > RMSELTech > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Buy your hardware at: www.DisklessWorkstations.com www.DisklessThinClients.com (use coupon code: LTSP5P for 5% off thin clients from DisklessThinClients.com) From a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us Wed Aug 30 21:38:07 2006 From: a_hicks at shakerroad.pvt.k12.nh.us (Alexander Hicks) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:38:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] terminals now fail to boot In-Reply-To: <1156973444.24262.30.camel@localhost> Message-ID: My typo, good catch, though! I have to call it a night and think fresh in the morning (-5 GMT) Will try a reload of DHCP, and Laptop inside k12Lan and learn how to use IRC Reports in the morning I'm gonna need a bigger boat :-) ~Alex -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Gideon Romm Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 5:31 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] terminals now fail to boot Alex- Hey, I just noticed this. Why does it think your server is 255.255.255.0? Perhaps you have something messed up in your dhcpd.conf.... -Gadi On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 17:08 -0400, Alexander Hicks wrote: > > Me: 192.168.0.188 Server: 255.255.255.0 Gateway: 192.168.0.254 -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Proud LTSP Developer ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Support LTSP! Buy your hardware at: www.DisklessWorkstations.com www.DisklessThinClients.com (use coupon code: LTSP5P for 5% off thin clients from DisklessThinClients.com) _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jam at mcquil.com Wed Aug 30 21:30:27 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] terminals now fail to boot - Update In-Reply-To: References: <40691.68.250.145.129.1156967677.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: <50472.68.250.145.129.1156973427.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Alexander, Could you send us a copy of your dhcpd.conf file? Gideon noticed that the 'server' address seems wrong. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, August 30, 2006 4:27 pm, Alexander Hicks wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Thanks to the link to the wiki. I made the change to include next-server > 192.168.0.254; but still no boot. It appears that I have Internet Systems > Consortium DHCP Server v3.0.2 (thanks to an error msg. when I forgot the ; > on the 1st try) > > Terminals still fail to boot. > > ~Alex > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf > Of Jim McQuillan > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 3:55 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Cc: 'Support list for open source software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] terminals now fail to boot - Update > > In your updates, it's possible that dhcpd got updated to the newest 3.0.3 > release, which has a problem that requires the addition of 'next-server' > to the config file. > > Take a look at: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DhcpdSiaddr > > for more info about the problem and solution. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Aug 30 22:13:00 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:13:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu & Edubuntu : Canonical Education Programme Manager - Personal Introduction In-Reply-To: <43080f460608301001l5976efa0s459d90526d466b95@mail.gmail.com> References: <1156949998.5350.230.camel@localhost> <43080f460608301001l5976efa0s459d90526d466b95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44F60D6C.5040808@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Mel Wade wrote: > How does this relate to the K12LSTP? > > Mel K12LTSP and Edubuntu are closely related. Dig through the list archives if you want to see the long, cooperative history between the two projects. The basic summary is that several of the K12LTSP developers worked with the Ubuntu developers to design the first version of Edubuntu. There is a lot of technical feedback between K12LTSP/LTSP/Edubuntu. Beyond any technical aspects, the communities are extremely similar. As Richard notes, there are a lot of issues of mutual interest or impact. -Eric > On 8/30/06, Richard Weideman wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> This is a brief intro to the list members, with kind permission from >> Eric Harrison - the instigator behind the Edubuntu version of Ubuntu. >> >> I've recently been appointed as the 1st line contact for all education >> queries & relationship for Canonical: >> * Ubuntu >> * Edubuntu >> * Kubuntu >> >> While I'm more people and relationship focused rather than technical, >> I'm hoping to help with the bridging of assistance between this user >> community and the Ubuntu technical support resources when there are >> issues of mutual interest or impact. >> >> Please feel free to mail me directly with queries or questions, or to >> cc me on Ubuntu related posts to this list. >> >> While I am digging through old posts to get up to speed, please resend >> anything that is still unresolved to me directly. >> >> Thanks and regards >> Richard >> -- >> Richard Weideman >> richard.edubuntu at gmail.com >> >> Ubuntu Education Programme Manager >> http://www.edubuntu.org >> http://www.ubuntu.com >> From richard.edubuntu at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 22:24:41 2006 From: richard.edubuntu at gmail.com (Richard Weideman) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 00:24:41 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu & Edubuntu : Canonical Education Programme Manager - Personal Introduction In-Reply-To: <44F60D6C.5040808@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1156949998.5350.230.camel@localhost> <43080f460608301001l5976efa0s459d90526d466b95@mail.gmail.com> <44F60D6C.5040808@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1156976681.5350.311.camel@localhost> Thanks Eric ... I did respond to Mel on a one-on-one basis, and he is now a happy chappy. I've just gone past midnight, and am off to bed. Let me know about post-hack-fest school visit options if you are up for it. I'll need to get the visa application process under way soon, especially with the latest travel security. Goodnight Richard On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 15:13 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > Mel Wade wrote: > > How does this relate to the K12LSTP? > > > > Mel > > > K12LTSP and Edubuntu are closely related. > > Dig through the list archives if you want to see the long, cooperative > history between the two projects. > > The basic summary is that several of the K12LTSP developers worked with > the Ubuntu developers to design the first version of Edubuntu. There is > a lot of technical feedback between K12LTSP/LTSP/Edubuntu. > > > Beyond any technical aspects, the communities are extremely similar. As > Richard notes, there are a lot of issues of mutual interest or impact. > > -Eric > > > On 8/30/06, Richard Weideman wrote: > >> > >> Hello all, > >> > >> This is a brief intro to the list members, with kind permission from > >> Eric Harrison - the instigator behind the Edubuntu version of Ubuntu. > >> > >> I've recently been appointed as the 1st line contact for all education > >> queries & relationship for Canonical: > >> * Ubuntu > >> * Edubuntu > >> * Kubuntu > >> > >> While I'm more people and relationship focused rather than technical, > >> I'm hoping to help with the bridging of assistance between this user > >> community and the Ubuntu technical support resources when there are > >> issues of mutual interest or impact. > >> > >> Please feel free to mail me directly with queries or questions, or to > >> cc me on Ubuntu related posts to this list. > >> > >> While I am digging through old posts to get up to speed, please resend > >> anything that is still unresolved to me directly. > >> > >> Thanks and regards > >> Richard > >> -- > >> Richard Weideman > >> richard.edubuntu at gmail.com > >> > >> Ubuntu Education Programme Manager > >> http://www.edubuntu.org > >> http://www.ubuntu.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Richard Weideman richard.edubuntu at gmail.com Ubuntu Education Programme Manager http://www.edubuntu.org http://www.ubuntu.com From lists at paulandmichelle.net Wed Aug 30 22:28:15 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:28:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Recovery of ldap db failed In-Reply-To: <44F60D6C.5040808@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060830222817.A82F24903A3@ephesus.modevia.com> So our school server is on a flaky UPS/power outlet or something like that (we are fixing this...) so it's rebooting every couple of days by itself. But the weird thing is when the server reboots itself back up and the LDAP service tries to start... this shows up: bdb_db_open: unclean shutdown detected; attempting recovery. bdb_db_open: Recovery skipped in read-only mode. Run manual recovery if errors are encountered. And then the server hangs and wont boot any farther. So basically the server is stuck until I go into single user mode and do a: "service ldap start", it then recovers itself and the ldap service is fine then. Is there a way I can make the database recovery actually work at the boot up sequence? Any help is appreciated! (especially before school starts next week...) Thanks!!! Paul From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Wed Aug 30 23:39:23 2006 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:39:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool In-Reply-To: References: <44F58769.2070800@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44F621AB.2050307@earthlink.net> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > On 8/30/06, *Rita Gibson* > wrote: > > > I installed the latest teacher tool using the instructions on Robert > Arkiletian's webpage, Fl_TeacherTool 0.34, primarily to use the VNC > desktop for demonstrating in the lab. We do not have a projector > in our > lab, so every year I have to figure out how to use the > vncserver/vncreflector for this purpose. This year we are trying > Fl_TeacherTool. > > I have it installed and it seems to be working. However, when I launch > VNC to some desktops from Fl_TeacherTool, the desktop that is > displayed > is larger than the desktop already there, and I cannot see or get > to the > taskbar to use the start button or open a terminal window to start an > application for demonstration. > > Where is the size of the desktop/display set? I believe the > titlebar on > > > > My default value seems to be 800x600. Since all my clients run > 1024x768 it's never been a problem for me. What is your desktop > size? In any case you should have scroll bars on the edges of the > window to find the start menu. I will consider adding a user setting > (in the input box) to the next version of fl_tt to set the window size > for the broadcast. If you don't like the way it works now I can send > you a hard coded version of my source to always give you the > resolution you want. I think my display setting is 1024x768... Not sure, I'm just guessing. Where would I look up that default setting in k12ltsp? Rita From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Thu Aug 31 00:05:22 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:05:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Recovery of ldap db failed In-Reply-To: <20060830222817.A82F24903A3@ephesus.modevia.com> References: <20060830222817.A82F24903A3@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <1156982722.2875.270.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 17:28 -0500, Paul Lemke wrote: > So our school server is on a flaky UPS/power outlet or something like that > (we are fixing this...) so it's rebooting every couple of days by itself. > But the weird thing is when the server reboots itself back up and the LDAP > service tries to start... this shows up: > > bdb_db_open: unclean shutdown detected; attempting recovery. > bdb_db_open: Recovery skipped in read-only mode. Run manual recovery if > errors > are encountered. > > And then the server hangs and wont boot any farther. So basically the server > is stuck until I go into single user mode and do a: > "service ldap start", it then recovers itself and the ldap service is fine > then. > > Is there a way I can make the database recovery actually work at the boot up > sequence? Any help is appreciated! (especially before school starts next > week...) Take the autostart out! Then hack a shell script that runs from rc.local that starts the ldap service. Be sure to add explicit paths to the parts as it may hang otherwise. A cron job to run every 2 minutes to "sync" the disks will help with boot-up by flushing disk writes often. Turn off the cron once the power issue is resolved. Since ldap is a 99.9% read database, the startup may be hanging only because of a found PID file. You can add a rm to the start up that finds the stale PID file and deletes it. > > Thanks!!! > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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After this delay, the browser window opens up, and the user's information is there, including their bookmarks. Also, relaunching it again on the same server no longer causes a delay. However, launching Firefox on a different LTSP server with their account, will cause the delay to happen all over again. In the middle school, I've watched about 5 students corrupt their Firefox profile because they thought Mozilla wasn't launching, and kept trying to launch it again (causing multiple launches and leaving the LOCK file in their mozilla folder.) It can take up to a minute for Firefox to display when a student launches it for the first time on a new server. Diagram: First Mozilla Launch on Server A --------------------------------> Second Mozilla Launch on Server B (major delay before it shows) Third launch on Server B (launches in good time) ----------------------------> Forth launch on Server A (delay returns) It sounds like the preferences in the new version of Firefox need to be modified to run on a server before it launches, which would explain the delay. Has anyone noticed this as well? I should point out that all servers use the same version of Firefox. We use a seperate repository to ensure all servers have the same version of Linux packages. From robark at gmail.com Thu Aug 31 01:05:28 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:05:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool In-Reply-To: <44F621AB.2050307@earthlink.net> References: <44F58769.2070800@earthlink.net> <44F621AB.2050307@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On 8/30/06, Rita Gibson wrote: > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > > > > On 8/30/06, *Rita Gibson* > > wrote: > > > > > > I installed the latest teacher tool using the instructions on Robert > > Arkiletian's webpage, Fl_TeacherTool 0.34, primarily to use the VNC > > desktop for demonstrating in the lab. We do not have a projector > > in our > > lab, so every year I have to figure out how to use the > > vncserver/vncreflector for this purpose. This year we are trying > > Fl_TeacherTool. > > > > I have it installed and it seems to be working. However, when I > launch > > VNC to some desktops from Fl_TeacherTool, the desktop that is > > displayed > > is larger than the desktop already there, and I cannot see or get > > to the > > taskbar to use the start button or open a terminal window to start > an > > application for demonstration. > > > > Where is the size of the desktop/display set? I believe the > > titlebar on > > > > > > > > My default value seems to be 800x600. Since all my clients run > > 1024x768 it's never been a problem for me. What is your desktop > > size? In any case you should have scroll bars on the edges of the > > window to find the start menu. I will consider adding a user setting > > (in the input box) to the next version of fl_tt to set the window size > > for the broadcast. If you don't like the way it works now I can send > > you a hard coded version of my source to always give you the > > resolution you want. > > I think my display setting is 1024x768... 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Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Aug 31 02:05:38 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:05:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox Running Slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes...I have noticed this....I run Samba/LDAP for centralized authentication....and use DHCP failover/Load balancing to run two servers for K12LTSP v5. I have also noticed the significant delay in launching firefox....I attributed much of it to Day one first time launches, but maybe there's more to it. I'll check into it more tomorrow. "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >Has anyone noticed this as well? > >I should point out that all servers use the same version of Firefox. We >use a seperate repository to ensure all servers have the same version of >Linux packages. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From toddobryan at mac.com Thu Aug 31 03:28:31 2006 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:28:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Opinion: CD vs DVD vs Download for Schools Release In-Reply-To: <1156953485.5350.250.camel@localhost> References: <1156953485.5350.250.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <760CE2AF-D9C3-4980-A433-29FAA1B56F77@mac.com> I'd say offer CD and DVD downloads, but only DVDs by mail (with the ability to extract multiple CDs from the DVD if necessary). Todd On Aug 30, 2006, at 11:58 AM, Richard Weideman wrote: > Hi, > > Here's an issue of great debate in the Edubuntu circles, and I've been > asked to solicit your opinions. > > What does this audience consider the best compromise route if a > bundled > education release starts to run into the 1 CD storage limit ? > > Bearing in mind the following constraints: > > * many school environment run on older equipment > = more CD than DVD drives > > * many schools don't have great Internet connectivity > = download of add-on packages can be tedious or even impossible > > * a 2 CD release adds to press & print & ship cost overheads > = for a 100% free request & receive send end user offering > > Opinions & comments welcome. > > Richard > -- > Richard Weideman > richard.edubuntu at gmail.com > > Ubuntu Education Programme Manager > http://www.edubuntu.org > http://www.ubuntu.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Thu Aug 31 04:15:21 2006 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 00:15:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] file missing -- /usr/bin/enable Message-ID: Thanks guys for the help! -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Nils Breunese [mailto:nils at breun.nl] Sent: Wed 8/30/2006 9:46 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Cc: Subject: Re: [K12OSN] file missing -- /usr/bin/enable Peter Scheie wrote: > Nils Breunese wrote: >> Glenn Arnold wrote: >>> I was trying to install Lexmark laser print drivers in cups on >>> K12LTSP >>> 5.0 64-bit and I get following error "file missing - /usr/bin/ >>> enable". >>> I know this part of cups to enable printing on a print queue. What >>> package installs this script? >> I don't have K12LTSP server handy, but on a CentOS 4.3 machine I >> get this: >> # rpm -qf /usr/bin/enable >> cups-1.1.22-0.rc1.9.10 >> Guess it's part of the cups package on Fedora/K12LTSP too then. >> Nils Breunese. > It appears that /usr/bin/enable may have been replaced by /usr/sbin/ > cupsenable. Indeed. On my FC5 workstation I see this: # rpm -ql cups | grep enable /usr/sbin/cupsenable /usr/share/doc/cups-1.2.2/help/man-cupsenable.html /usr/share/man/man8/cupsenable.8.gz Nils Breunese. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3041 bytes Desc: not available URL: From timothy.hart at gmail.com Thu Aug 31 12:00:06 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:00:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] User screens flashing windows Message-ID: <464c38cc0608310500x3832bbd2p837be8e73dd00e0c@mail.gmail.com> Here is another start to the school year issue for you guys. We have 3 K12LTSP servers, all running v.5. One of them, when you log on to it through a terminal starts blinking windows and becomes unusable. This is for "most" users and "most" clients. Some computers seem to just work while others don't. If it was more concrete I would just reinstall K12 on the server. Is anyone else having this issue? Should I just reinstall? Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timothy.hart at gmail.com Thu Aug 31 12:01:41 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:01:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox Running Slow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <464c38cc0608310501u126b4f64r2438519116a155e4@mail.gmail.com> Jeff, I only noticed the delay on the first launch of firefox. I tested this for many users and it seems to be true for those that I tested. Could the delay be from Firefox creating a new profile? Tim On 8/30/06, David Trask wrote: > > Yes...I have noticed this....I run Samba/LDAP for centralized > authentication....and use DHCP failover/Load balancing to run two servers > for K12LTSP v5. I have also noticed the significant delay in launching > firefox....I attributed much of it to Day one first time launches, but > maybe there's more to it. I'll check into it more tomorrow. > > > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: > >Has anyone noticed this as well? > > > >I should point out that all servers use the same version of Firefox. We > >use a seperate repository to ensure all servers have the same version of > >Linux packages. > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Aug 31 12:25:49 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:25:49 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox Running Slow Message-ID: <083120061225.28829.44F6D54D000488A30000709D22007601809C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> I also noticed this, but for me it was that Firefox has the update settings set to check for updates on launch (under Tools -- Options -- Advanced -- Update). Unchecking these allows Firefox to start quickly. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins p.s. sorry for the form of the reply, it seems Comcast is rejecting email from k12osn .. redhat.com at the moment. (last 5 days) Jeff, I only noticed the delay on the first launch of firefox. I tested this for many users and it seems to be true for those that I tested. Could the delay be from Firefox creating a new profile? Tim On 8/30/06, David Trask wrote: Yes...I have noticed this....I run Samba/LDAP for centralized authentication....and use DHCP failover/Load balancing to run two servers for K12LTSP v5. I have also noticed the significant delay in launching firefox....I attributed much of it to Day one first time launches, but maybe there's more to it. I'll check into it more tomorrow. "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >Has anyone noticed this as well? > >I should point out that all servers use the same version of Firefox. We >use a seperate repository to ensure all servers have the same version of >Linux packages. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask vcsvikings org (207)923-3100 From lists at paulandmichelle.net Thu Aug 31 13:29:35 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:29:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Recovery of ldap db failed In-Reply-To: <1156982722.2875.270.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <20060831132936.1F4B4490517@ephesus.modevia.com> By taking the "autostart" out, what do you mean? Turn off the start at boot up? I can't do that... I have services that depend on the LDAP Service to be up and running during boot up. > A cron job to run every 2 minutes to "sync" > the disks will help with boot-up by flushing disk writes often. Turn off > the cron once the power issue is resolved. What do you mean by flushing the disk writes often? > Since ldap is a 99.9% read database, the startup may be hanging only > because of a found PID file. You can add a rm to the start up that finds > the stale PID file and deletes it. This is a good idea. I'll go ahead and write that in. Any other thoughts? Paul -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of James P. Kinney III Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 7:05 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Recovery of ldap db failed On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 17:28 -0500, Paul Lemke wrote: > So our school server is on a flaky UPS/power outlet or something like that > (we are fixing this...) so it's rebooting every couple of days by itself. > But the weird thing is when the server reboots itself back up and the LDAP > service tries to start... this shows up: > > bdb_db_open: unclean shutdown detected; attempting recovery. > bdb_db_open: Recovery skipped in read-only mode. Run manual recovery if > errors > are encountered. > > And then the server hangs and wont boot any farther. So basically the server > is stuck until I go into single user mode and do a: > "service ldap start", it then recovers itself and the ldap service is fine > then. > > Is there a way I can make the database recovery actually work at the boot up > sequence? Any help is appreciated! (especially before school starts next > week...) Take the autostart out! Then hack a shell script that runs from rc.local that starts the ldap service. Be sure to add explicit paths to the parts as it may hang otherwise. A cron job to run every 2 minutes to "sync" the disks will help with boot-up by flushing disk writes often. Turn off the cron once the power issue is resolved. Since ldap is a 99.9% read database, the startup may be hanging only because of a found PID file. You can add a rm to the start up that finds the stale PID file and deletes it. > > Thanks!!! > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Thu Aug 31 13:31:13 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:31:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox Running Slow In-Reply-To: <083120061225.28829.44F6D54D000488A30000709D22007601809C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <083120061225.28829.44F6D54D000488A30000709D22007601809C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1157031073.2875.283.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On my Firefox 1.5.0.1 I find that setting under Edit->Preferences->Advanced->Update If someone is rolling out a new installation o K12LTSP v. 5.0, on the server first create a dummy user and setup the default environment under that then copy the .mozilla directory to /etc/skel/. Then create all the other users. That way they all get the starting prefs. The only "gotcha" is that all the plugins must be installed first (which is going to happen anyway before it can be used...) The best part of this is the ability to pre-populate the bookmarks. On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 12:25 +0000, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > I also noticed this, but for me it was that Firefox has the update settings set to check for updates on launch (under Tools -- Options -- Advanced -- Update). Unchecking these allows Firefox to start quickly. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > p.s. sorry for the form of the reply, it seems Comcast is rejecting email from k12osn .. redhat.com at the moment. (last 5 days) > > > > Jeff, I only noticed the delay on the first launch of firefox. I tested this for many users and it seems to be true for those that I tested. Could the delay be from Firefox creating a new profile? > > Tim > > On 8/30/06, David Trask wrote: > > Yes...I have noticed this....I run Samba/LDAP for centralized > authentication....and use DHCP failover/Load balancing to run two servers > for K12LTSP v5. I have also noticed the significant delay in launching > firefox....I attributed much of it to Day one first time launches, but > maybe there's more to it. I'll check into it more tomorrow. > > > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: > >Has anyone noticed this as well? > > > >I should point out that all servers use the same version of Firefox. We > >use a seperate repository to ensure all servers have the same version of > >Linux packages. > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask vcsvikings org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi Thu Aug 31 13:33:00 2006 From: mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:33:00 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] i2o problem K12LTSP 5.0.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44F6E50C.4060105@edu.vantaa.fi> Hardware: HP NetServer Lxr 8000, 4*Xeon 450Mhz, 2.4Gb mem Problem: After "Red Hat nash starting": i2o: iop0: could not activate controller then starting udev fails and system hangs there. Don't understand a thing. Before this Raid-controller was nor recognised, so I chanced cables to the SCSI on mbo (without raid so). What should I do? K12LTSP 4 was working nicely, but for USB-support I tried to update. mikkoj From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Aug 31 13:44:38 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:44:38 +0000 Subject: re [K12OSN] i2o problem K12LTSP 5.0.0 Message-ID: <083120061344.17326.44F6E7C6000962F4000043AE22070208539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> I googled for this earlier with similar issue. Seems the version of the kernel included with the anaconda installer has a bug with the i20 RAID controller. I never found a simple work-around. There is an fc5 distro that has the fix but you have to get it via bittorrent, install and then add back in all the k12ltsp patches. Please check the list for emails from me with a reply by Eric for details (earlier this month) https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2006-August/msg00116.html I chose to use software RAID (disable the i2o controller) until the anaconda installer is updated. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins * From: Mikko Jordman * To: "Support list for open source software in schools." * Subject: [K12OSN] i2o problem K12LTSP 5.0.0 * Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:33:00 +0300 Hardware: HP NetServer Lxr 8000, 4*Xeon 450Mhz, 2.4Gb mem Problem: After "Red Hat nash starting": i2o: iop0: could not activate controller then starting udev fails and system hangs there. Don't understand a thing. Before this Raid-controller was nor recognised, so I chanced cables to the SCSI on mbo (without raid so). What should I do? K12LTSP 4 was working nicely, but for USB-support I tried to update. mikkoj From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Thu Aug 31 14:09:41 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:09:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Recovery of ldap db failed In-Reply-To: <20060831132936.1F4B4490517@ephesus.modevia.com> References: <20060831132936.1F4B4490517@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <1157033381.2875.303.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 08:29 -0500, Paul Lemke wrote: > By taking the "autostart" out, what do you mean? Turn off the start at boot > up? I can't do that... I have services that depend on the LDAP Service to be > up and running during boot up. The service that depend on ldap will have to be launched after the ldap is up by the same script that launches ldap. The command "chkconfig ldap off" will stop the system from autostarting ldap during the boot sequence. Then you can write the launch script that can handle the correct sequencing. > > > A cron job to run every 2 minutes to "sync" > > the disks will help with boot-up by flushing disk writes often. Turn off > > the cron once the power issue is resolved. > > What do you mean by flushing the disk writes often? Linux (and all *NIX systems) will not write data to the hard drives until absolutely the last second. It's a performance boost by keeping disk writes cached in RAM in case they get written again. Once the write _does_ ocur, the file(s) is(are) marked as closed and if a sudden power loss occurs, those files will be intact. Files that are not closed will need to be checked for consistency and can cause system hangs during boot up. > > > Since ldap is a 99.9% read database, the startup may be hanging only > > because of a found PID file. You can add a rm to the start up that finds > > the stale PID file and deletes it. > > This is a good idea. I'll go ahead and write that in. > > Any other thoughts? > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of James P. Kinney III > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 7:05 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Recovery of ldap db failed > > On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 17:28 -0500, Paul Lemke wrote: > > So our school server is on a flaky UPS/power outlet or something like that > > (we are fixing this...) so it's rebooting every couple of days by itself. > > But the weird thing is when the server reboots itself back up and the LDAP > > service tries to start... this shows up: > > > > bdb_db_open: unclean shutdown detected; attempting recovery. > > bdb_db_open: Recovery skipped in read-only mode. Run manual recovery if > > errors > > are encountered. > > > > And then the server hangs and wont boot any farther. So basically the > server > > is stuck until I go into single user mode and do a: > > "service ldap start", it then recovers itself and the ldap service is fine > > then. > > > > Is there a way I can make the database recovery actually work at the boot > up > > sequence? Any help is appreciated! (especially before school starts next > > week...) > > Take the autostart out! Then hack a shell script that runs from rc.local > that starts the ldap service. Be sure to add explicit paths to the parts > as it may hang otherwise. A cron job to run every 2 minutes to "sync" > the disks will help with boot-up by flushing disk writes often. Turn off > the cron once the power issue is resolved. > > Since ldap is a 99.9% read database, the startup may be hanging only > because of a found PID file. You can add a rm to the start up that finds > the stale PID file and deletes it. > > > > Thanks!!! > > Paul > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll check into it more tomorrow. > > > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: > >> Has anyone noticed this as well? >> >> I should point out that all servers use the same version of Firefox. We >> use a seperate repository to ensure all servers have the same version of >> Linux packages. >> > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Thu Aug 31 14:52:02 2006 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:52:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] AC_97 Sound Message-ID: <44F6F792.8010902@peopleplaces.org> This is my first test terminal so I'm probably doing something incorrectly... (; The terminal boots correctly - I have a terminal with both a built-in ac97 and a pci soundblaster live! card. I can start it in shell mode and it has the ac97_codec, sound, soundcore, via97xx_cc? modules loaded. esd daemon is running. However, when I startx, system-config-soundcard says 'No soundcards were detected' and the volume mixer gives the 'No devices' error. Seems like I shouldn't have to edit the SMODULE_## lines in lts.conf because the soundcards are being found. What is the next step that I'm missing? Many thanks, -Michael Blinn -- If this is my day of harvest, in what fields have I sowed the seed, and in what unremembered seasons? - Kahlil Gibran CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message, and any attachments that may accompany it, contain information that is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or other use of this communication or any of the information, which it contains is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the original sender by return mail and delete this message, along with any attachments, from your computer. Thank you. From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Aug 31 13:57:11 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:57:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] User screens flashing windows Message-ID: <20060831065711.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.ca25f39e6d.wbe@email.secureserver.net> This is a common result when you don't have the settings for terminal sessions setup to allow for more than 15 or so. There should be something on the site talking about this. I will have it in my email and will look it up. It is just a setting, so don't reload yet. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-1752 x30 (251) 363-3201 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] User screens flashing windows > From: "Timothy Hart" > Date: Thu, August 31, 2006 7:00 am > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > Here is another start to the school year issue for you guys. > We have 3 K12LTSP servers, all running v.5. One of them, when you log on to it through a terminal starts blinking windows and becomes unusable. This is for "most" users and "most" clients. Some computers seem to just work while others don't. If it was more concrete I would just reinstall K12 on the server. Is anyone else having this issue? Should I just reinstall? > > Tim > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Aug 31 15:06:49 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:06:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] NIC bonding issue... Message-ID: <44F6FB09.7030704@paasda.org> I'm getting the following error spammed at my console. bonding: error: found client with no channel in the client's hash table anyone experienced this? I've found only 1 other post with this problem on the web and the 1 lone response was maybe 'SLAVE=yes' had not been set..but in my config files it has always been set. my ifcfg-bond0, ifcfg-eth0, and ifcfg-eth1 are as follows: IFCFG-BOND0: DEVICE=bond0 IPADDR=192.168.0.254 NETWORK=192.168.0.0 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=none USERCTL=no IFCFG-ETH0: # Intel Corp.|82546EB Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper) DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=none ONBOOT=yes MASTER=bond0 SLAVE=yes USERCTL=no IFCFG-ETH1: # Intel Corp.|82546EB Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper) DEVICE=eth1 BOOTPROTO=none ONBOOT=yes MASTER=bond0 SLAVE=yes USERCTL=no From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Thu Aug 31 15:33:12 2006 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:33:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] yum and FreeNX Message-ID: <44F70138.8020506@peopleplaces.org> Is there some particular configuration of k12ltsp yum repositories that prevent some extras from being found? I'm in an x86_64 machine, but yum does not find the 'freenx' package, with neither 'yum search freenx' nor 'yum provides freenx' -Michael Blinn -- If this is my day of harvest, in what fields have I sowed the seed, and in what unremembered seasons? - Kahlil Gibran From DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org Thu Aug 31 15:24:20 2006 From: DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org (DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:24:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Leases Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at gmail.com Thu Aug 31 15:39:07 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:39:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox Running Slow In-Reply-To: <1157031073.2875.283.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <083120061225.28829.44F6D54D000488A30000709D22007601809C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <1157031073.2875.283.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: On 8/31/06, James P. Kinney III wrote: > > On my Firefox 1.5.0.1 I find that setting under > Edit->Preferences->Advanced->Update > > If someone is rolling out a new installation o K12LTSP v. 5.0, on the > server first create a dummy user and setup the default environment under > that then copy the .mozilla directory to /etc/skel/. Then create all the > other users. That way they all get the starting prefs. K12LTSP EL (Centos 4 based) just got update 4 yesterday. So if people do a yum update they will also be upgraded from Firefox 1.0x to 1.5x. Will this issue affect those servers also? Also wondering if the default global setting in EL update 4 and FC5 versions browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewers is set to 0 I remember Eric mentioning that this was neccessary to prevent Firefox 1.5xfrom consuming too much memory. The only "gotcha" is that all the plugins must be installed first (which > is going to happen anyway before it can be used...) > > The best part of this is the ability to pre-populate the bookmarks. > > On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 12:25 +0000, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > I also noticed this, but for me it was that Firefox has the update > settings set to check for updates on launch (under Tools -- Options -- > Advanced -- Update). Unchecking these allows Firefox to start quickly. > > > > Sincerely, > > Dave Hopkins > > > > p.s. sorry for the form of the reply, it seems Comcast is rejecting > email from k12osn .. redhat.com at the moment. (last 5 days) > > > > > > > > Jeff, I only noticed the delay on the first launch of firefox. I tested > this for many users and it seems to be true for those that I tested. Could > the delay be from Firefox creating a new profile? > > > > Tim > > > > On 8/30/06, David Trask wrote: > > > > Yes...I have noticed this....I run Samba/LDAP for centralized > > authentication....and use DHCP failover/Load balancing to run two > servers > > for K12LTSP v5. I have also noticed the significant delay in > launching > > firefox....I attributed much of it to Day one first time launches, > but > > maybe there's more to it. I'll check into it more tomorrow. > > > > > > "Support list for open source software in schools." com> > > writes: > > >Has anyone noticed this as well? > > > > > >I should point out that all servers use the same version of > Firefox. We > > >use a seperate repository to ensure all servers have the same > version of > > >Linux packages. > > > > > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Director > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask vcsvikings org > > (207)923-3100 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ > CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / > Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / > 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) > > Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Thu Aug 31 15:59:12 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:59:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] yum and FreeNX In-Reply-To: <44F70138.8020506@peopleplaces.org> References: <44F70138.8020506@peopleplaces.org> Message-ID: <44F70750.9080406@maltzen.net> Some of the repos in /etc/yum.repos.d/ are disabled by default; livna, for example. Make sure enable=1 is set in all the *.repo files in that directory. Petre Michael Blinn wrote: > Is there some particular configuration of k12ltsp yum repositories that > prevent some extras from being found? I'm in an x86_64 machine, but yum > does not find the 'freenx' package, with neither 'yum search freenx' nor > 'yum provides freenx' > > -Michael Blinn > From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Thu Aug 31 16:26:49 2006 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:26:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] yum and FreeNX In-Reply-To: <44F70750.9080406@maltzen.net> References: <44F70138.8020506@peopleplaces.org> <44F70750.9080406@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44F70DC9.6000402@peopleplaces.org> I will not enable the *-testing, *-legacy and and *-development repos. Rather, if I require a package, I will --enablerepo on the yum command line. If I use the repository file editing method to enable livna, what ensures that the k12ltsp packages carry precedence over the livna packages of the same versions? Also, even with --enablerepo=livna (and --enablerepo=extras) "yum search freenx " returns "No match for argument: freenx" My FC5 (non-k12ltsp) returns "freenx.i386 0.5.0-2.fc5" in repo extras. Is there such a thing as freenx.x86_64? -Michael Petre Scheie wrote: > Some of the repos in /etc/yum.repos.d/ are disabled by default; livna, > for example. Make sure enable=1 is set in all the *.repo files in that > directory. > > Petre From stegil at hotmail.com Thu Aug 31 16:29:53 2006 From: stegil at hotmail.com (Steve Gilmore) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:29:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - proper OS for CPU Message-ID: Good Day, I'm looking towards using the new Intel P-Dual core ( smithfield processor) in a supermicro 1u system. So if I were to select , for example CentOS 4.4 , Would I install the i386 version or the x86_64 version? Thanks SteveG From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Thu Aug 31 16:48:42 2006 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:48:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - proper OS for CPU In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44F712EA.1020505@peopleplaces.org> Smithfield is a 64-bit platform, therefore you would (probably) want to go with x86_64. Most apps will run in an optimized fashion, though you'll need to allow for a 32-bit Firefox if you wish your users to have flash/java plugin capabilities. -Michael Blinn Steve Gilmore wrote: > Good Day, > > I'm looking towards using the new Intel P-Dual core ( smithfield > processor) in a supermicro 1u system. So if I were to select , for > example CentOS 4.4 , > Would I install the i386 version or the x86_64 version? From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Thu Aug 31 16:42:42 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:42:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] yum and FreeNX In-Reply-To: <44F70DC9.6000402@peopleplaces.org> References: <44F70138.8020506@peopleplaces.org> <44F70750.9080406@maltzen.net> <44F70DC9.6000402@peopleplaces.org> Message-ID: <44F71182.4050701@saskforestcentre.ca> I have the same issue with my machine. I can get freenx on a series of i386 boxes, but not on a X86_64 box. You're not alone. http://fedoraproject.org/extras/5/i386/repodata/repoview/F.group.html shows freenx is available for i386, but http://fedoraproject.org/extras/5/x86_64/repodata/repoview/F.group.html shows nothing where freenx should be. I guess the package maintainer hasn't made it go for x86-64. Angus Carr. Michael Blinn wrote: > I will not enable the *-testing, *-legacy and and *-development > repos. Rather, if I require a package, I will --enablerepo on the yum > command line. > > If I use the repository file editing method to enable livna, what > ensures that the k12ltsp packages carry precedence over the livna > packages of the same versions? > > Also, even with --enablerepo=livna (and --enablerepo=extras) "yum > search freenx " returns "No match for argument: freenx" My FC5 > (non-k12ltsp) returns "freenx.i386 0.5.0-2.fc5" in repo extras. Is > there such a thing as freenx.x86_64? > > -Michael > > Petre Scheie wrote: >> Some of the repos in /etc/yum.repos.d/ are disabled by default; >> livna, for example. Make sure enable=1 is set in all the *.repo files >> in that directory. >> >> Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From les at futuresource.com Thu Aug 31 16:47:10 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:47:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - proper OS for CPU In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1157042831.20997.45.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 12:29 -0400, Steve Gilmore wrote: > I'm looking towards using the new Intel P-Dual core ( smithfield > processor) in a supermicro 1u system. So if I were to select , for example > CentOS 4.4 , > Would I install the i386 version or the x86_64 version? I think you install the x86_64 version, but after an update at least you will have an ia32 kernel. If I understand things correctly the x86_64 kernel has amd-only extensions which are disabled when run on 64-bit Intels and the ia32 kernel has the intel-optimized version. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Aug 31 17:00:39 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:00:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New HP clients kernel panic... In-Reply-To: <739E11C0-4803-43FA-A832-D80942E07C1E@inlandlakes.org> References: <49142.10.10.5.20.1156269114.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> <1156276417.13795.434.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <739E11C0-4803-43FA-A832-D80942E07C1E@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <09635931-C360-477C-BCFF-A65F15716432@inlandlakes.org> Could someone point me to where I would download a different kernel for these thin clients (to try?), along with how to make the clients use the older kernel? If I can't get them to boot, I'm going to have to install an old version of K12LTSP, and that would be a bummer. Sorry to ask for help at this terribly busy time of year, -Shawn On Aug 22, 2006, at 9:22 PM, Shawn Powers wrote: > On Aug 22, 2006, at 3:53 PM, James P. Kinney III wrote: >> Check the server logs for this error. Since DHCPD on the server _was_ >> working enough to send out the initial IP address and then the PXE >> boot >> kernel and then the main kernel. > > I don't see the error anywhere in the logs (I'm not sure where to > look other than /var/log/messages). The only non-standard thing on > the server install is that I switched eth0 and eth1 around from > what the installer did by default. (ie, I made eth0 public and > eth1 private). I didn't find anything else to change in the config > files regarding eth0 or eth1, and other clients boot fine. Perhaps > there is something I should change? > > (On older versions I would have to tell dhcpd what interface to run > on, but it's smart in this release and only runs on the interface > with IP numbers matching the dhcpd config) > > I'm really scratching my head with this one... It booted OK from a > 4.0.2 server (although the video card was detected, but that's a > minor issue). I might try installing a server from scratch, and > seeing if it boots up tomorrow on the new server. Reinstalling on > the server in question would really be a pain in the butt though... > > -Shawn > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > Homepage: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > Personal Website: http://www.brainofshawn.com > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --- > This message checked for SPAM and Viruses by MailFoundry. > If this is SPAM, please forward it to spam at mailfoundry.com -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org Homepage: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org Personal Website: http://www.brainofshawn.com ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. 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McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-1752 x30 (251) 363-3201 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] User screens flashing windows > From: "Timothy Hart" > Date: Thu, August 31, 2006 7:00 am > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > Here is another start to the school year issue for you guys. > We have 3 K12LTSP servers, all running v.5. One of them, when you log on to it through a terminal starts blinking windows and becomes unusable. This is for "most" users and "most" clients. Some computers seem to just work while others don't. If it was more concrete I would just reinstall K12 on the server. Is anyone else having this issue? Should I just reinstall? > > Tim > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From stegil at hotmail.com Thu Aug 31 17:26:06 2006 From: stegil at hotmail.com (Steve Gilmore) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:26:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - proper OS for CPU References: <1157042831.20997.45.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: Thanks Les, & Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Mikesell" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT - proper OS for CPU > On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 12:29 -0400, Steve Gilmore wrote: > >> I'm looking towards using the new Intel P-Dual core ( smithfield >> processor) in a supermicro 1u system. So if I were to select , for >> example >> CentOS 4.4 , >> Would I install the i386 version or the x86_64 version? > > I think you install the x86_64 version, but after an update at least > you will have an ia32 kernel. If I understand things correctly > the x86_64 kernel has amd-only extensions which are disabled when > run on 64-bit Intels and the ia32 kernel has the intel-optimized > version. > > -- > Les Mikesell > lesmikesell at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Thu Aug 31 18:29:42 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:29:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - proper OS for CPU In-Reply-To: <44F712EA.1020505@peopleplaces.org> References: <44F712EA.1020505@peopleplaces.org> Message-ID: On 8/31/06, Michael Blinn wrote: > > Smithfield is a 64-bit platform, therefore you would (probably) want to > go with x86_64. Most apps will run in an optimized fashion, though > you'll need to allow for a 32-bit Firefox if you wish your users to have > flash/java plugin capabilities. > -Michael Blinn If you don't have more than 4GB in your server then just stick with x86. AMD made the x86_64 extensions and called them AMD64. Intels 64bit cpu Itanium (AKA Itanic) sunk. So they were forced to follow AMD lead. They pretty much just copied AMD extensions but called them EMT64. So the smithfield (Pentium D) will run x86 or x86_64. There really isn't much of an advantage to running x86_64 unless you have more than 4GB of ram. 32 bit kernels can also address over 4GB but they have to pay a slight penalty for doing so, whereas x86_64 kernels can do it natively. There are a few extra registers in the cpu x86_64 OS's can utilize but it's not really a big deal. Much more important will be the issues of 32 bit binary only stuff that you will have problems getting to work. (flash is the main one) Steve Gilmore wrote: > > Good Day, > > > > I'm looking towards using the new Intel P-Dual core ( smithfield > > processor) in a supermicro 1u system. So if I were to select , for > > example CentOS 4.4 , > > Would I install the i386 version or the x86_64 version? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From visentind at hdsb.ca Thu Aug 31 18:34:25 2006 From: visentind at hdsb.ca (Dan Visentin) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:34:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] configuring metacity for all clients Message-ID: First, thanks Robert and others for the advice to continue with the 32bit version instead of trying the 64-bit at this time. I've rebuilt our dual opteron, 6 GB RAM server with the K12LTSP 5.0 from scratch and I'm back to fine-tuning and adding apps, etc. In the old version, I was able to run the configuration editor and set metacity to "reduced resources". This worked for all the clients and sped the system up significantly. I tried the same thing with the new build but it only works for root and not the clients as it did in the past. Any suggestions on how to universally configure metacity? Also, system monitor reports 3.9 GB of RAM available... any ideas on implementing all of the RAM without going to 64-bit? Dan Visentin M. M. Robinson H.S. "As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Thu Aug 31 18:52:49 2006 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:52:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - proper OS for CPU In-Reply-To: References: <44F712EA.1020505@peopleplaces.org> Message-ID: <44F73001.2050609@peopleplaces.org> > If you don't have more than 4GB in your server then just stick with > x86. AMD made the x86_64 extensions and called them AMD64. Intels > 64bit cpu Itanium (AKA Itanic) sunk. So they were forced to follow AMD > lead. They pretty much just copied AMD extensions but called them > EMT64. So the smithfield (Pentium D) will run x86 or x86_64. There > really isn't much of an advantage to running x86_64 unless you have > more than 4GB of ram. 32 bit kernels can also address over 4GB but > they have to pay a slight penalty for doing so, whereas x86_64 kernels > can do it natively. There are a few extra registers in the cpu x86_64 > OS's can utilize but it's not really a big deal. Much more important > will be the issues of 32 bit binary only stuff that you will have > problems getting to work. (flash is the main one) Mostly true, though there are now no problems getting flash to work. Running the x86_64 5.0.0 K12LTSP release, I simply clicked the 'Get flash' icon, which adds the flash plugin to the i386 firefox. There is a wrapper script written by some genius that, whenever you start firefox, runs the x86_64 firefox in 64-bit environments, and the i386 firefox (w/ flash) in i386 environments (the terminals). 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From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Thu Aug 31 19:52:45 2006 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:52:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] yum and FreeNX In-Reply-To: <44F71182.4050701@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <44F70138.8020506@peopleplaces.org> <44F70750.9080406@maltzen.net> <44F70DC9.6000402@peopleplaces.org> <44F71182.4050701@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <1157053965.3384.4.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 10:42 -0600, Angus Carr wrote: > I have the same issue with my machine. I can get freenx on a series of > i386 boxes, but not on a X86_64 box. You're not alone. > > http://fedoraproject.org/extras/5/i386/repodata/repoview/F.group.html > shows freenx is available for i386, but > > http://fedoraproject.org/extras/5/x86_64/repodata/repoview/F.group.html > shows nothing where freenx should be. > > I guess the package maintainer hasn't made it go for x86-64. There are issues with freenx on x86_64 (From this thread [1]_, it appears to be a problem with nxagent). The i386 packages are reported to work on x86_64. [1]_ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-list/2006-June/msg00340.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From robark at gmail.com Thu Aug 31 20:20:59 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:20:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] configuring metacity for all clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/31/06, Dan Visentin wrote: > > Also, system monitor reports 3.9 GB of RAM available... any ideas on > implementing all of the RAM without going to 64-bit? > My smp kernel (Centos) is able to address over 4GB but check to see if you have a hugemem kernel option at boot. There is currently another thread "Proper OS for cpu" that is discussing 32bit vs 64bit. Dan Visentin > M. M. Robinson H.S. > "As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing." > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From visentind at hdsb.ca Thu Aug 31 23:09:12 2006 From: visentind at hdsb.ca (Dan Visentin) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:09:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN]OT- proper OS for CPU Message-ID: So... Michael, are you recommending K12LTSP x86_64 for a dual opteron with 6 GB is worthwhile? Any issues crop up so far? Dan Visentin M. M. Robinson H.S. 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