From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 1 00:42:15 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:42:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Scripting Question In-Reply-To: <1164905250.21082.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <104374.46884.qm@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Les Mikesell wrote: > -type f instead of -type -f. > When I run this kind of command from the command > line I'd first try > find /FOLDERNAME -type f -mtime +30 -print > and look at the list, using control-C to stop if it > is too long, Or pipe it to less: find /FOLDERNAME -type f -mtime +30 -print | less This will let you use the cursor, page up/down, and home/end keys to scroll through the list. -Rob ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From carl at snarlnet.com Fri Dec 1 03:46:32 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:46:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Choppy Audio During Major Screen Redraws Message-ID: <456FA598.3080700@snarlnet.com> Hi, Does anyone know the fix for this? If I'm playing an mp3 and I scroll a web page, or if I'm playing something like Wesnoth with the background music on, the music gets all choppy (cutting in and out, garbled) while the screen is redrawing. It almost seems like a bandwidth issue, where if the client has to do a lot of video work, the audio gets sacrificed. I think the video might be "skipping" as well. Sometimes it will just jump to the next action or place and you don't see the intervening scroll. Does anyone know a solution for this? I'd like smooth audio *and* video. K12ltsp 5.0.0 NTAVO 6030P terminal Does the monitor type and mouse type matter? I'm using default lts.conf settings. DevonIT suggested I try the vesa XServer driver, but I'm pretty sure that slows things down a lot. I have the server and clients on a gig switch. It doesn't seem to matter if this is the only client running or if others are on. Thanks, ck From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 14:50:29 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 09:50:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP server won't give non-terminals web access In-Reply-To: <456DC854.5090908@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <823254.11161.qm@web32602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <456DC854.5090908@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0612010650g334b84c5y8ef5910e4b1964d6@mail.gmail.com> Check DNS settings on the Workstations On 11/29/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > David D. Nelson wrote: > > I was trying to troubleshoot a problem of a dropped > > internet connection from my K12LTSP server so I > > temporarally turned off the firewall using the > > security GUI applet. When I re-enabled the firewall I > > lost the ability for workstations (not terminals) to > > connect to the internet. When I turn on squid and > > redirect the workstations to use the proxy they are > > always denied access. I decided to rebuild the server > > with K12LTSP 6b7 and I find that workstations still > > don't have access to the internet. The server is the > > gateway and dhcp for the network. > > All of the IPTables manipulation specific to K12LTSP is setup as > services. There is nat (Network Address Translation), iptables-k12ltsp > (permit all traffic on eth0, where the terminals are), and > transparent-proxying (redirect web traffic to squid/squidGuard). > > If you have the default setup (terminals on eth0, network/internet > access on eth1), you can just make sure that these services are enabled > and started. Such as: > > /sbin/chkconfig nat on > /sbin/service nat restart > > /sbin/chkconfig iptables-k12ltsp on > /sbin/service iptables-k12ltsp restart > > /sbin/chkconfig transparent-proxying on > /sbin/service transparent-proxying restart > > > What do I need to change and where do I look to change > > it. Also, I need some direction on where I can find a > > relatively simple guide to firewall settings and how > > to securely set up a mail server and web server on my > > K12LTSP box unless it would be best to dedicate > > another computer to the job. No more than 10 > > terminals/workstations are on this network. > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > The simplest is to use the built-in tool: > > System -> Administration -> Security Level and Firewall > > If you reload the firewall, be sure to restart nat, iptables-k12ltsp, > and/or transparent-proxying. > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 14:52:07 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 09:52:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP server won't give non-terminals web access In-Reply-To: <81e6a9bf0612010650g334b84c5y8ef5910e4b1964d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <823254.11161.qm@web32602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <456DC854.5090908@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <81e6a9bf0612010650g334b84c5y8ef5910e4b1964d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0612010652k366d2c39r1704e2a4e9688f9b@mail.gmail.com> try pinging something on the internet via its ip address. Then try pinging with a dns hostname. If the ip works but the name does not then your dns settings on the workstations are the problem. On 12/1/06, Jack Palmadesso wrote: > Check DNS settings on the Workstations > > On 11/29/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > > David D. Nelson wrote: > > > I was trying to troubleshoot a problem of a dropped > > > internet connection from my K12LTSP server so I > > > temporarally turned off the firewall using the > > > security GUI applet. When I re-enabled the firewall I > > > lost the ability for workstations (not terminals) to > > > connect to the internet. When I turn on squid and > > > redirect the workstations to use the proxy they are > > > always denied access. I decided to rebuild the server > > > with K12LTSP 6b7 and I find that workstations still > > > don't have access to the internet. The server is the > > > gateway and dhcp for the network. > > > > All of the IPTables manipulation specific to K12LTSP is setup as > > services. There is nat (Network Address Translation), iptables-k12ltsp > > (permit all traffic on eth0, where the terminals are), and > > transparent-proxying (redirect web traffic to squid/squidGuard). > > > > If you have the default setup (terminals on eth0, network/internet > > access on eth1), you can just make sure that these services are enabled > > and started. Such as: > > > > /sbin/chkconfig nat on > > /sbin/service nat restart > > > > /sbin/chkconfig iptables-k12ltsp on > > /sbin/service iptables-k12ltsp restart > > > > /sbin/chkconfig transparent-proxying on > > /sbin/service transparent-proxying restart > > > > > What do I need to change and where do I look to change > > > it. Also, I need some direction on where I can find a > > > relatively simple guide to firewall settings and how > > > to securely set up a mail server and web server on my > > > K12LTSP box unless it would be best to dedicate > > > another computer to the job. No more than 10 > > > terminals/workstations are on this network. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > The simplest is to use the built-in tool: > > > > System -> Administration -> Security Level and Firewall > > > > If you reload the firewall, be sure to restart nat, iptables-k12ltsp, > > and/or transparent-proxying. > > > > > > -Eric > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Dec 1 15:58:37 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 07:58:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid and Exclusion List In-Reply-To: <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A57E0@mail1.lskysd.ca> References: <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A57E0@mail1.lskysd.ca> Message-ID: <4570512D.6090709@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Ryan Hackl wrote: > Hi! > > Squid is working great, but now I need to add a website that won't > work if squid is "on". I've tried adding it to the acl, but no > success yet. > > Therefore, what is the correct syntax so I can 'exclude' a certain > server from being included in the squid's cache? > > Thanks (again) > > - Ryan > > The first thing that comes to mind is transparent proxying - you can just skip it for some sites. If you want to not transparently proxy the 12.34.56.0/24 network, for example, this command will do it: /sbin/iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -p tcp -d 12.34.56.0/24 -j RETURN You can append this to /etc/rc.local If I remember correctly, this is the syntax for the /etc/squid/squid.conf ACL: acl somewhere dstdomain somewhere.com no_cache deny somewhere -Eric From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Fri Dec 1 21:38:58 2006 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:38:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] squidGuard and Google safe search not working In-Reply-To: <4570512D.6090709@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A57E0@mail1.lskysd.ca> <4570512D.6090709@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1451.24.2.210.202.1165009138.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> We discovered today that google safe search is not being turned on and we don't understand why. The only reason at this point that we are using squidGuard is for the google safe search because our state is providing filtering. Below are the versions for squid and squidGuard as well as the squidGuard.conf file. Does anyone see why the rewriting is not working? Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System [root at cen squid]# yum list installed squid squidGuard Loading "installonlyn" plugin Installed Packages squid.i386 7:2.5.STABLE14-2.FC5 installed squidGuard.i386 1.2.0-12.k12ltsp.5.0.0 installed # Update by MAO 02/19/2004 for google safe search patch # Update by MAO 03/11/2002 for RH8 K12LTSP install # # CONFIG FILE FOR SQUIDGUARD # # See http://www.squidguard.org/config/ for more examples # dbhome /var/squidGuard/blacklists logdir /var/log/squidGuard dest ads { log ads domainlist ads/domains urllist ads/urls } dest audio-video { log audio-video domainlist audio-video/domains urllist audio-video/urls } dest aggressive { log aggressive domainlist aggressive/domains urllist aggressive/urls } dest drugs { log drugs domainlist drugs/domains urllist drugs/urls } dest gambling{ log gambling domainlist gambling/domains urllist gambling/urls } dest hacking { log hacking domainlist hacking/domains urllist hacking/urls } dest mail { log mail domainlist mail/domains urllist mail/urls } dest porn{ log porn domainlist porn/domains urllist porn/urls } dest proxy{ log proxy domainlist proxy/domains urllist proxy/urls } dest violence{ log violence domainlist violence/domains urllist violence/urls } dest warez{ log warez domainlist warez/domains urllist warez/urls } dest local-ok{ domainlist local-ok/domains urllist local-ok/urls } dest local-block{ log local-block domainlist local-block/domains urllist local-block/urls } dest eg-block{ log eg-block domainlist eg-block/domains urllist eg-block/urls } dest eg-ok{ log eg-ok domainlist eg-ok/domains urllist eg-ok/urls } rewrite google { s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.com/images.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.com/groups.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.com/news.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i # log google } acl { default { # for google to be in "safe mode" rewrite google pass all pass eg-ok !eg-block local-ok !local-block !aggressive !hacking !violence !gambling !porn !warez all # rewrite google # redirect http://mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us/usepolicy.htm redirect http://192.168.0.52/usepolicy.htm } # default { # the default categories are conservative, please add any additional # categories listed above or simply comment out this line and uncomment # out the line below it. # pass local-ok !local-block !gambling !porn !warez all # pass local-ok !local-block !aggressive !drugs !gambling !hacking !porn !proxy !violence !warez all # redirect 302:http://localhost.localdomain/cgi-bin/#squidGuard.#cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%#s&targetgroup=%#t&url=%u # redirect 302:http://localhost.localdomain/cgi-bin/squidGuard-#simple.cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%#s&targetclass=%t&url=%u # } } From mel at melwade.com Fri Dec 1 21:58:10 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:58:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Win2k3 Home Dirs Message-ID: <43080f460612011358wb5af81dm3168518a7f570174@mail.gmail.com> I'm needing to have each user access there windows home folder from the K12LSTP 6.0 client. Somehow it's not coming through though... I have not figured out how to get the Kerberos ticket in cron. The instructions I've found for this are for other distro's and don't apply. Here are some of the config files: krb5.conf [logging] default = FILE:/var/log/krb5libs.log kdc = FILE:/var/log/krb5kdc.log admin_server = FILE:/var/log/kadmind.log [libdefaults] default_realm = UCA1.LOCAL dns_lookup_realm = false dns_lookup_kdc = false ticket_lifetime = 24h forwardable = yes [realms] UCA1.LOCAL = { kdc = 10.0.4.2:88 admin_server = 10.0.4.2:749 default_domain = UCA1.LOCAL kdc = 10.0.4.2 } [domain_realm] .example.com = UCA1.LOCAL example.com = UCA1.LOCAL uca1.local = UCA1.LOCAL .uca1.local = UCA1.LOCAL [kdc] profile = /var/kerberos/krb5kdc/kdc.conf [appdefaults] pam = { debug = false ticket_lifetime = 36000 renew_lifetime = 36000 forwardable = true krb4_convert = false } * * * * * * system-auth (I think I have too much here as it's now asking for the password twice) #%PAM-1.0 # This file is auto-generated. # User changes will be destroyed the next time authconfig is run. auth sufficient pam_winbind.so auth required pam_mount.so auth required pam_group.so use_first_pass auth sufficient pam_krb5.so use_first_pass ignore_root auth sufficient pam_ldap.so use_first_pass auth required pam_env.so auth sufficient pam_unix.so nullok try_first_pass auth requisite pam_succeed_if.so uid >= 500 quiet auth required pam_deny.so account sufficient pam_krb5.so ignore_root account sufficient pam_winbind.so account required pam_unix.so account sufficient pam_succeed_if.so uid < 500 quiet account required pam_permit.so password optional pam_krb5.so password requisite pam_cracklib.so try_first_pass retry=3 password required pam_mount.so try_first_pass shadow md5 password required pam_ldap.so md5 password sufficient pam_unix.so md5 shadow nullok try_first_pass use_authtok password required pam_deny.so # session optional pam_keyinit.so revoke # session required pam_limits.so # session [success=1 default=ignore] pam_succeed_if.so service in crond quiet use_uid session required pam_unix.so session required pam_mkhomedir.so umask=0022 skel=/etc/skel session optional pam_mount.so shadow md5 use_authtok session optional pam_krb5.so * * * * * * ldap.conf # The distinguished name of the search base. base dc=UCA1,dc=LOCAL # Search timelimit #timelimit 30 timelimit 120 # Bind/connect timelimit #bind_timelimit 30 bind_timelimit 120 # RFC 2307 (ActiveDirectory) mappings UCA1 nss_map_objectclass posixAccount user nss_map_objectclass shadowAccount user nss_map_attribute uid sAMAccountName nss_map_attribute uidNumber uidNumber nss_map_attribute gidNumber gidNumber nss_map_attribute givenname givenName nss_map_attribute ou Description nss_map_attribute uid sAMAccountName nss_map_attribute homeDirectory unixHomeDirectory nss_map_attribute shadowLastChange pwdLastSet nss_map_objectclass posixGroup group nss_map_attribute uniqueMember member nss_map_attribute gecos displayName pam_login_attribute sAMAccountName pam_filter objectclass=User pam_password ad # SASL mechanism for PAM authentication - use is experimental # at present and does not support password policy control #pam_sasl_mech DIGEST-MD5 uri ldap://10.0.4.2 ssl no tls_cacertdir /etc/openldap/cacerts pam_password md5 -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From twolfe at sawback.com Fri Dec 1 22:18:33 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:18:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] How-tos on configuring K12LTSP logons to Active Directory In-Reply-To: <2be970b50611171457o76c91f87tc993e35807f142dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50611171457o76c91f87tc993e35807f142dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: OK so here is a simple how-to on getting K12LTSP 5.0 (fresh install before ANY mucking around with pam.d etc.) logons to Active Directory. I can't understand why I couldn't find anything out there in LTSP lalaland, so here is my humble and non-authoritative offering after beating my head over it for a couple of hours. 1. Getting Authentication with Active Directory to work. This is incredibly EASY. You just need to know what to do. Yes, you can fart around with the pam.d, nsswitch.conf, and krb5.conf settings at great peril but why waste your time. Here's a step by step using Fedora's gui authconfig tool. a) Make sure you have a functioning ntp daemon. I won't describe this as it's well documented elsewhere. Kerberos needs to have good time synchronisation to work. b) From Gnome desktop go to System > Administration > Authentication. This starts up the gui authconfig tool (after entering your root password). c) Check "Enable Winbind Support" and click "Configure Winbind". Enter the following in the requested fields: * Winbind Domain: your domain, that is the first part of your domain before the first period, all in caps e.g. "DOMAIN" * Security Model: select "ads" from the menu * Winbind ADS Realm: type in your entire domain name. e.g. all in caps e.g. "DOMAIN.COM" * Winbind Domain Controllers: the address of a W2K or W2K3 Active Directory Domain Controller, e.g. "dc1.domain.com" * Template shell: CHANGE THIS to "/bin/bash" or whatever, just don't leave it as the default or your users will get "Sys Admin has disabled your account" errors when they try to log on. * Click OK d) Change to the "Authentication" tab. e) Check "Enable Kerberos" Support and click "Configure Kerberos". Enter the following in the requested fields: * Realm: * KDC's (Kerberos Domain Controller, on a small network probably the same as your AD DC/PDC) e.g. dc1.domain.com * Admin Servers (ditto to what I said about KDCs above) e.g. dc1.domain.com * If you have a well-functioning DNS you can check the boxes below. Maybe do this after a manual setup is up and running. * Click OK f) Under "Options" check "Local authorization is sufficient for local users" if you have any non-domain/K12LTSP/local users that you want to be able to log on. I checked this, it makes life easier. g) Click OK h) Start up a console/terminal. Enter the following command, substituting "administrator" for a domain admin name if "administrator" is not what you use. (this assumes that the user is a member of the sudoers group; if not, log on to a console on the server as root): [k12 at lalauser ~]$ sudo net ads join -U administrator You should see a bunch of stuff flash before you but the most important is a message indicating that you have joined successfully. This comes in the last two lines. If you were unsuccessful then, alas, my how-to was of no avail and I'm afraid I won't be able to help you as my expertise is very limited. 2. Getting home directories to be automagically created using pam_mkhomedir. *** PLEASE ADD A SIMPLE HOW-TO ON THIS AS FOR THE LIFE OF ME NOTHING I HAVE TRIED HAS WORKED YET... AND I'VE TRIED A MUCKLOAD OF THINGS TOO *** - BUT for now I'm happy, my little starter lab of 25 ca 1996-1999 $#itbox computers is ticking away with Fedora/Gnome desktops and ready for beta testing on some unsuspecting class next week -- because I wrote a script to manually create about 700 user home directories and everything is working... Woohoo! - while I'm at it I might as well explain how I made the 700 user home directories in case someone else wishes to do the same because they're as dumb as me and can't get pam_mkhomedir to work either (this is really hackish so bear with me or at least forgive me): a) Create a list of users via winbind. Here's an easy way: $ wbinfo -u > userlist.txt b) Import this list with a spreadsheet program and use it to create a batch file. For example, duplicate this formula, which makes use of the much-abused concatenate function, in column B: =concatenate("mkdir /home/DOMAIN/";A1;" & chown ";A1;" /home/DOMAIN/";A1) ...where the A column contains a list of all users to create a bunch of one-liners that create the user's directory and change ownership to the user. c) Save the output of this into a file in your /home/DOMAIN directory e.g. /home/DOMAIN/mkhomedirs.sh then from the command line: $ cd /home/DOMAIN $ chmod 700 $ mkhomedirs.sh $ ./mkhomedirs.sh d) Then make sure that all of the file names in /home/DOMAIN are lower case. Here's a simple script that will do that: #!/bin/sh for i in * do j=`echo $i | tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]'` mv $i $j done - but I want to save myself hassles in the future and get the pam_mkhomedir up and running, so please set me straight. 3. Getting a nice little shortcut to your user's home directory to automagically appear on their desktop once they've logged on. *** OK, I HAVEN'T GIVEN THIS HALF AS MUCH EFFOR AS EITHER STEPS 1 OR 2 BUT STILL NO LUCK WITH THIS EITHER. PLEASE ADD YOUR HOW-TO AND MAKE MY LIFE HAPPY *** --- So as you can see I still have a ways to go. I tried John's ideas below but none of it seemed to work out despite many efforts and copying my backup /etc files to rescue grim outcomes. The effort did give me some insight into the whole process, including a few questions: Why is it that samba does not appear to be installed from the Yum gui tool, and yet when I try to install it it says that there are conflicts with an existing samba installation....? And I can find a bunch of samba utilities, e.g. smbclient and so on. And... "service samba" start doesn't do anything, I can't find the smbd or nmbd executables anywhere, and how do I get the smbd and nmbd daemons running? And finally webmin shows that samba is not installed... until of course I uninstall it with Yum (which seems to want to uninstall half of everything including KDE and Gnome...???) and reinstall samba again afterwards... Forgive my ignorance, I come from FreeBSD lalaland which is a vastly different place when it comes to installing and updating. Thanks to everyone for your continued help on pointing me right. Regards, Tom Wolfe On Fri, 17 Nov 2006, john wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Take a look at this doc. It uses ubuntu, but for the most part it's agnostic > in terms of flavor. The pam.d section is very good. > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto > > After your users can authenticate with their Windows domain credentials > Basically: > > 1) install pam_mount > > 2) Leave all of the stuff at the top alone and at the bottom of the file > configure /etc/security/pam_mount.conf to look something like: > > > volume * smbfs FILE_SERVER DIRECTORY_W-STND_SHARES > /home/WINDOWS/&/.windowsShare > uid=&,gid=&,dmask=750,workgroup=YOUR_WIN_DOMAIN - - > > This file will: > > a) look for the fileserver by name or ip (i added to file server to my > /etc/hosts file just to be sure). > b) mount the shared directory > c) mount the share whereever you want it to be in this case in > /home/WINDOWS/domain_user/.hiddenfile (pam_mount will auto-magically create > this if it doesn't exist, I believe) > > d) Then I use a little script to in /etc/gdm/PostLogin/Default to create a > shortcut on the desktop which points to the hidden windows share. It's not > quite right yet, but you can try it out: > > #!/bin/sh > zd=/home/WINDOWS/$USER/Desktop/ZDrive > if [ ! -L $zd ] > then > rm -f /home/VANGUARD/$USER/Desktop/ZDrive > ln -s $HOME/.windowsShare/*/$USER $zd > fi > > Hope this helps. > > John > > On 11/17/06, Tom Wolfe wrote: > > > > Good news: I've got a functioning lab of 20 ancient machines composed of > > 1996 IBM 350s and a bunch of custom PIII machines from the late 1990s. The > > principal is psyched and the teachers are psyched. It's quite the sight, > > all of that ancient hardware spitting out a KDE desktop. I'm planning on > > adding another 15-workstation lab on the other side of the school powered > > by the same server, we'll see how that works. > > > > No sound yet, I gave up the fight last week and am hoping for divine > > intervention on that one. Teachers seem far less discouraged by that than > > I though. > > > > Now I just have to get things moving with domain logons and home > > directories. > > > > Can anyone suggest a helpful how-to on configuring K12LTSP logons to > > Active Directory...? Or should I just hit the samba docs? I've already got > > authentication working, and I think I just need to configure the pam.d > > configs. > > > > Regards, > > Tom Wolfe > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From twolfe at sawback.com Sat Dec 2 00:22:52 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:22:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] How-tos on configuring K12LTSP logons to Active Directory In-Reply-To: References: <2be970b50611171457o76c91f87tc993e35807f142dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: OK, so I've figured it all out. Step 2 was so easy I felt like a real dufus thinking about all I put myself through, but Step 3 was a little trickier and it made me feel a little better after I figured it out. Is there somewhere I can post this, i.e. is the wiki a good spot? 2. Getting home directories to be automagically created using pam_mkhomedir. * edit /etc/pam.d/system-auth and add the following line to the session section: session required pam_mkhomedir.so umask=0022 Step 3: Automagic shortcut to user's Windows document folder. a) Set the mount executable. Somewhere along the line I decided to use mount.cifs instead of mount -t cifs. So I changed the following line in /etc/security/pam_mount.conf: cifsmount /bin/mount -t cifs //%(SERVER)/%(VOLUME) %(MNTPT) -o "username=%(USER),uid=%(USERUID),gid=%(USERGID)%(before=\",\" OPTIONS)" to read as follows: cifsmount /sbin/mount.cifs //%(SERVER)/%(VOLUME) %(MNTPT) -o "username=%(USER),uid=%(USERUID),gid=%(USERGID)%(before=\",\" OPTIONS)" ...which just kind of tidies things up a bit. Note that this is ALL ONE LINE. b) Set the appropriate permissions on the executable so that users can run it. $ chmod u+s /sbin/mount.cifs $ chmod u+s /bin/umount c) Set up the mount point configuration. To the file /etc/security/pam_mount.conf add the following line at the very bottom: volume * cifs srv02.morleyschool.ed StudentHome$ /home/MORLEYSCHOOL/&/.windowsShare uid=&,gid=&,dmask=750,workgroup=MORLEYSCHOOL - - ...note that this is ALL ONE LINE with a single whitespace between the .windowsShare and the uid, alternately you could try: volume * cifs fileserver.domain.com StudentHome$ \ /home/MORLEYSCHOOL/&/.windowsShare \ uid=&,gid=&,dmask=750,workgroup=DOMAIN - - and see if that does it. This line follows the syntax described in the pam_mount.conf default file to create a share at mount point /home/DOMAIN/[user]/.windowsShare to the share called StudentHome$ on a machine with a FQDN of fileserver.domain.com in the DOMAIN domain/workgroup. Regards, Tom Wolfe On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Tom Wolfe wrote: > OK so here is a simple how-to on getting K12LTSP 5.0 (fresh install before > ANY mucking around with pam.d etc.) logons to Active Directory. > > I can't understand why I couldn't find anything out there in LTSP > lalaland, so here is my humble and non-authoritative offering after > beating my head over it for a couple of hours. > > 1. Getting Authentication with Active Directory to work. > > This is incredibly EASY. You just need to know what to do. Yes, you can > fart around with the pam.d, nsswitch.conf, and krb5.conf settings at great > peril but why waste your time. Here's a step by step using Fedora's gui > authconfig tool. > > a) Make sure you have a functioning ntp daemon. I won't describe this as > it's well documented elsewhere. Kerberos needs to have good time > synchronisation to work. > b) From Gnome desktop go to System > Administration > Authentication. This > starts up the gui authconfig tool (after entering your root password). > c) Check "Enable Winbind Support" and click "Configure Winbind". Enter > the following in the requested fields: > * Winbind Domain: your domain, that is the first part of your domain > before the first period, all in caps e.g. "DOMAIN" > * Security Model: select "ads" from the menu > * Winbind ADS Realm: type in your entire domain name. e.g. all in > caps e.g. "DOMAIN.COM" > * Winbind Domain Controllers: the address of a W2K or W2K3 Active > Directory Domain Controller, e.g. "dc1.domain.com" > * Template shell: CHANGE THIS to "/bin/bash" or whatever, just don't > leave it as the default or your users will get "Sys Admin has > disabled your account" errors when they try to log on. > * Click OK > d) Change to the "Authentication" tab. > e) Check "Enable Kerberos" Support and click "Configure Kerberos". > Enter the following in the requested fields: > * Realm: > * KDC's (Kerberos Domain Controller, on a small network probably the > same as your AD DC/PDC) e.g. dc1.domain.com > * Admin Servers (ditto to what I said about KDCs above) e.g. > dc1.domain.com > * If you have a well-functioning DNS you can check the boxes below. > Maybe do this after a manual setup is up and running. > * Click OK > f) Under "Options" check "Local authorization is sufficient for local > users" if you have any non-domain/K12LTSP/local users that you want to > be able to log on. I checked this, it makes life easier. > g) Click OK > h) Start up a console/terminal. Enter the following command, substituting > "administrator" for a domain admin name if "administrator" is not what > you use. (this assumes that the user is a member of the sudoers group; > if not, log on to a console on the server as root): > > [k12 at lalauser ~]$ sudo net ads join -U administrator > > You should see a bunch of stuff flash before you but the most important > is a message indicating that you have joined successfully. This comes > in the last two lines. If you were unsuccessful then, alas, my how-to > was of no avail and I'm afraid I won't be able to help you as my > expertise is very limited. > > 2. Getting home directories to be automagically created using > pam_mkhomedir. > > *** PLEASE ADD A SIMPLE HOW-TO ON THIS AS FOR THE LIFE OF ME NOTHING I > HAVE TRIED HAS WORKED YET... AND I'VE TRIED A MUCKLOAD OF THINGS TOO *** > > - BUT for now I'm happy, my little starter lab of 25 ca 1996-1999 $#itbox > computers is ticking away with Fedora/Gnome desktops and ready for beta > testing on some unsuspecting class next week -- because I wrote a script > to manually create about 700 user home directories and everything is > working... Woohoo! > > - while I'm at it I might as well explain how I made the 700 user home > directories in case someone else wishes to do the same because they're as > dumb as me and can't get pam_mkhomedir to work either (this is really > hackish so bear with me or at least forgive me): > > a) Create a list of users via winbind. Here's an easy way: > $ wbinfo -u > userlist.txt > b) Import this list with a spreadsheet program and use it to > create a batch file. For example, duplicate this formula, which > makes use of the much-abused concatenate function, in column B: > =concatenate("mkdir /home/DOMAIN/";A1;" & chown ";A1;" /home/DOMAIN/";A1) > ...where the A column contains a list of all users to create a > bunch of one-liners that create the user's directory and change > ownership to the user. > c) Save the output of this into a file in your /home/DOMAIN > directory e.g. /home/DOMAIN/mkhomedirs.sh then from the command > line: > $ cd /home/DOMAIN > $ chmod 700 > $ mkhomedirs.sh > $ ./mkhomedirs.sh > d) Then make sure that all of the file names in /home/DOMAIN are > lower case. Here's a simple script that will do that: > #!/bin/sh > for i in * > do > j=`echo $i | tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]'` > mv $i $j > done > > - but I want to save myself hassles in the future and get the > pam_mkhomedir up and running, so please set me straight. > > 3. Getting a nice little shortcut to your user's home directory to > automagically appear on their desktop once they've logged on. > > *** OK, I HAVEN'T GIVEN THIS HALF AS MUCH EFFOR AS EITHER STEPS 1 OR 2 BUT > STILL NO LUCK WITH THIS EITHER. PLEASE ADD YOUR HOW-TO AND MAKE MY LIFE > HAPPY *** > > > --- > > So as you can see I still have a ways to go. I tried John's ideas below > but none of it seemed to work out despite many efforts and copying my > backup /etc files to rescue grim outcomes. The effort did give me some > insight into the whole process, including a few questions: > > Why is it that samba does not appear to be installed from the Yum gui > tool, and yet when I try to install it it says that there are conflicts > with an existing samba installation....? And I can find a bunch of samba > utilities, e.g. smbclient and so on. And... "service samba" start doesn't > do anything, I can't find the smbd or nmbd executables anywhere, and how > do I get the smbd and nmbd daemons running? And finally webmin shows that > samba is not installed... until of course I uninstall it with Yum (which > seems to want to uninstall half of everything including KDE and > Gnome...???) and reinstall samba again afterwards... > > Forgive my ignorance, I come from FreeBSD lalaland which is a vastly > different place when it comes to installing and updating. > > Thanks to everyone for your continued help on pointing me right. > > Regards, > Tom Wolfe > > > > On Fri, 17 Nov 2006, john wrote: > > > Hi Tom, > > > > Take a look at this doc. It uses ubuntu, but for the most part it's agnostic > > in terms of flavor. The pam.d section is very good. > > > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto > > > > After your users can authenticate with their Windows domain credentials > > Basically: > > > > 1) install pam_mount > > > > 2) Leave all of the stuff at the top alone and at the bottom of the file > > configure /etc/security/pam_mount.conf to look something like: > > > > > > volume * smbfs FILE_SERVER DIRECTORY_W-STND_SHARES > > /home/WINDOWS/&/.windowsShare > > uid=&,gid=&,dmask=750,workgroup=YOUR_WIN_DOMAIN - - > > > > This file will: > > > > a) look for the fileserver by name or ip (i added to file server to my > > /etc/hosts file just to be sure). > > b) mount the shared directory > > c) mount the share whereever you want it to be in this case in > > /home/WINDOWS/domain_user/.hiddenfile (pam_mount will auto-magically create > > this if it doesn't exist, I believe) > > > > d) Then I use a little script to in /etc/gdm/PostLogin/Default to create a > > shortcut on the desktop which points to the hidden windows share. It's not > > quite right yet, but you can try it out: > > > > #!/bin/sh > > zd=/home/WINDOWS/$USER/Desktop/ZDrive > > if [ ! -L $zd ] > > then > > rm -f /home/VANGUARD/$USER/Desktop/ZDrive > > ln -s $HOME/.windowsShare/*/$USER $zd > > fi > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > John > > > > On 11/17/06, Tom Wolfe wrote: > > > > > > Good news: I've got a functioning lab of 20 ancient machines composed of > > > 1996 IBM 350s and a bunch of custom PIII machines from the late 1990s. The > > > principal is psyched and the teachers are psyched. It's quite the sight, > > > all of that ancient hardware spitting out a KDE desktop. I'm planning on > > > adding another 15-workstation lab on the other side of the school powered > > > by the same server, we'll see how that works. > > > > > > No sound yet, I gave up the fight last week and am hoping for divine > > > intervention on that one. Teachers seem far less discouraged by that than > > > I though. > > > > > > Now I just have to get things moving with domain logons and home > > > directories. > > > > > > Can anyone suggest a helpful how-to on configuring K12LTSP logons to > > > Active Directory...? Or should I just hit the samba docs? I've already got > > > authentication working, and I think I just need to configure the pam.d > > > configs. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Tom Wolfe > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > From nelsda at yahoo.com Sat Dec 2 00:23:40 2006 From: nelsda at yahoo.com (David D. Nelson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 16:23:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP server won't give non-terminals web access In-Reply-To: <81e6a9bf0612010652k366d2c39r1704e2a4e9688f9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <295663.10310.qm@web32613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I tried pinging from a windows workstation and was able to ping using the dns hostname. I even tried a hostname which I'm shure I have never visited with that computer and it worked. When I try to browse I get an "Invalid Request" error and then something about some aspect of the HTTP request being invalid. I have a standard setup of K12LTSP with the LTSP box connected to the internet on eth1 and the local network on eth0. The server provides dhcp to the internal network and routing for any workstations I hook to the internal network so they have full access to the outside world. I want to be able to bring in a laptop, forexample, and hook it in, let dhcp assign the IP and such and let the computer browse the net. I followed what Eric suggested below but it still doesn't work. Any other ideas or do you know of a generic set of config files I could compare mine to? Thank you. --- Jack Palmadesso wrote: > try pinging something on the internet via its ip > address. Then try > pinging with a dns hostname. If the ip works but > the name does not > then your dns settings on the workstations are the > problem. > > On 12/1/06, Jack Palmadesso > wrote: > > Check DNS settings on the Workstations > > > > On 11/29/06, Eric Harrison > wrote: > > > David D. Nelson wrote: > > > > I was trying to troubleshoot a problem of a > dropped > > > > internet connection from my K12LTSP server so > I > > > > temporarally turned off the firewall using the > > > > security GUI applet. When I re-enabled the > firewall I > > > > lost the ability for workstations (not > terminals) to > > > > connect to the internet. When I turn on squid > and > > > > redirect the workstations to use the proxy > they are > > > > always denied access. I decided to rebuild the > server > > > > with K12LTSP 6b7 and I find that workstations > still > > > > don't have access to the internet. The server > is the > > > > gateway and dhcp for the network. > > > > > > All of the IPTables manipulation specific to > K12LTSP is setup as > > > services. There is nat (Network Address > Translation), iptables-k12ltsp > > > (permit all traffic on eth0, where the terminals > are), and > > > transparent-proxying (redirect web traffic to > squid/squidGuard). > > > > > > If you have the default setup (terminals on > eth0, network/internet > > > access on eth1), you can just make sure that > these services are enabled > > > and started. Such as: > > > > > > /sbin/chkconfig nat on > > > /sbin/service nat restart > > > > > > /sbin/chkconfig iptables-k12ltsp on > > > /sbin/service iptables-k12ltsp restart > > > > > > /sbin/chkconfig transparent-proxying on > > > /sbin/service transparent-proxying > restart > > > > > > > What do I need to change and where do I look > to change > > > > it. Also, I need some direction on where I can > find a > > > > relatively simple guide to firewall settings > and how > > > > to securely set up a mail server and web > server on my > > > > K12LTSP box unless it would be best to > dedicate > > > > another computer to the job. No more than 10 > > > > terminals/workstations are on this network. > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The simplest is to use the built-in tool: > > > > > > System -> Administration -> Security > Level and Firewall > > > > > > If you reload the firewall, be sure to restart > nat, iptables-k12ltsp, > > > and/or transparent-proxying. > > > > > > > > > -Eric > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > David D. Nelson nelsda at yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Sat Dec 2 03:05:54 2006 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 22:05:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] squidGuard and Google safe search not working In-Reply-To: <1451.24.2.210.202.1165009138.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A57E0@mail1.lskysd.ca> <4570512D.6090709@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1451.24.2.210.202.1165009138.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: <2986.192.168.0.21.1165028754.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Problem resolved. The directory /var/squidGuard/blacklists/eg-ok had been deleted and this was causing the problem - evidentally causing squidGuard to be off. Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT Schools > We discovered today that google safe search is not being turned on and we > don't understand why. > > The only reason at this point that we are using squidGuard is for the > google safe search because our state is providing filtering. > > Below are the versions for squid and squidGuard as well as the > squidGuard.conf file. > > Does anyone see why the rewriting is not working? > > Mark Orenstein > East Granby, CT School System > > > > > > [root at cen squid]# yum list installed squid squidGuard > Loading "installonlyn" plugin > Installed Packages > squid.i386 7:2.5.STABLE14-2.FC5 installed > squidGuard.i386 1.2.0-12.k12ltsp.5.0.0 installed > > > # Update by MAO 02/19/2004 for google safe search patch > # Update by MAO 03/11/2002 for RH8 K12LTSP install > # > # CONFIG FILE FOR SQUIDGUARD > # > # See http://www.squidguard.org/config/ for more examples > # > > dbhome /var/squidGuard/blacklists > logdir /var/log/squidGuard > > dest ads { > log ads > domainlist ads/domains > urllist ads/urls > } > > dest audio-video { > log audio-video > domainlist audio-video/domains > urllist audio-video/urls > } > > dest aggressive { > log aggressive > domainlist aggressive/domains > urllist aggressive/urls > } > > dest drugs { > log drugs > domainlist drugs/domains > urllist drugs/urls > } > > dest gambling{ > log gambling > domainlist gambling/domains > urllist gambling/urls > } > > dest hacking { > log hacking > domainlist hacking/domains > urllist hacking/urls > } > > dest mail { > log mail > domainlist mail/domains > urllist mail/urls > } > > dest porn{ > log porn > domainlist porn/domains > urllist porn/urls > } > > dest proxy{ > log proxy > domainlist proxy/domains > urllist proxy/urls > } > > dest violence{ > log violence > domainlist violence/domains > urllist violence/urls > } > > dest warez{ > log warez > domainlist warez/domains > urllist warez/urls > } > > dest local-ok{ > domainlist local-ok/domains > urllist local-ok/urls > } > > dest local-block{ > log local-block > domainlist local-block/domains > urllist local-block/urls > } > > dest eg-block{ > log eg-block > domainlist eg-block/domains > urllist eg-block/urls > } > > dest eg-ok{ > log eg-ok > domainlist eg-ok/domains > urllist eg-ok/urls > } > > > rewrite google { > s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.com/images.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.com/groups.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.com/news.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > # log google > } > > acl { > > default { > # for google to be in "safe mode" > rewrite google > pass all > pass eg-ok !eg-block local-ok !local-block !aggressive > !hacking !violence !gambling !porn !warez all > # rewrite google > # redirect http://mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us/usepolicy.htm > redirect http://192.168.0.52/usepolicy.htm > } > # default { > # the default categories are conservative, please add any > additional > # categories listed above or simply comment out this line and > uncomment > # out the line below it. > # pass local-ok !local-block !gambling !porn !warez all > # pass local-ok !local-block !aggressive !drugs !gambling !hacking > !porn !proxy !violence !warez all > > # redirect > 302:http://localhost.localdomain/cgi-bin/#squidGuard.#cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%#s&targetgroup=%#t&url=%u > # redirect > 302:http://localhost.localdomain/cgi-bin/squidGuard-#simple.cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%#s&targetclass=%t&url=%u > # } > } > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From steven at simplycircus.com Sun Dec 3 08:08:18 2006 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 03:08:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki Experiment Message-ID: I have just finished a small experiment with my schools internal circus arts wiki, and I thought I would share the results, as it may give a few of you some ideas (I hope it does!). Please note that this is NOT a scientific experiment - my testing group was very small, I did not correct for almost any outside factors (of which there were many I should have corrected for!), and my test group were mostly over-achievers heavily involved in intermediate and advanced classes. YMMV. Like many, we use an array of private internal and public external email lists to facilitate the sharing of information. Unfortunately, not nearly enough of this information makes its way to our internal wiki. So the question arises, what can we do to change this, without putting more stress on those who so often answer the questions? When looking at the list of subscribers for one specific list, we quickly realized that most of those subscribed to that list were students taking various classes. So we asked the question: Could we make effective use of student time and energy to capture and organize mailing list information into a wiki in a way that is also beneficial to the student? To test this theory, we used 5 groups of students. All students were given the same assignment, namely to document a list conversation as an encyclopedic article, following a specific format. In all cases students were allowed to ask questions to the list, and to there instructors. This assignment was part of the class grade for all students involved. Group 1 was our control group. This group was not given any training or cueing. These students signed up for lists that had no bearing on their personal interests (i.e. not related to any class they have ever taken, and having never expressed an interest in the subject). This group consisted of the following students: 5th grade girl 6th grade girl 7th grade boy * 9th grade girl 11th grade girl Junior girl Group 2 was our middle school group with an interest in the subject area. The students in this group were given 45 minutes of training on what was expected, and how to document the conversations. These students were also cued as to what conversations they should each document. This group consisted of the following students: 7th grade girl 7th grade boy 7th grade girl * 8th grade girl Group 3 was our middle school group with no interest in the subject area. The students in this group were given 45 minutes of training on what was expected, and how to document the conversations. This group consisted of the following students: 7th grade girl 7th grade girl 8th grade girl 8th grade girl Group 4 was our high school group with an interest in the subject area. The students in this group were given 45 minutes of training on what was expected, and how to document the conversations. Some cueing was done to help specific students identify conversations to document. This group consisted of the following students: 9th grade girl 9th grade girl 9th grade boy 10th grade girl 11th grade girl Group 5 was our collage student group with an interest in the subject area. The students in this group were given 45 minutes of training on what was expected, and how to document the conversations. This group consisted of the following students: Freshman boy Sophomore girl Junior girl Junior girl Senior girl Group 1 produced a total of 9 articles, with 5 of those articles deemed to be high quality documentation of the mailing list subjects. 4 of the articles (including 2 of those deemed to be high quality) came from one student, the 7th grade boy. The other high quality articles were produced by the 11th grade girl and collage Junior girl of the group. Group 2 produced a total of 8 articles, with 3 of those articles deemed to be high quality documentation of the mailing list subjects. 4 of the articles (including 2 of those deemed to be high quality) came from one student, the 7th grade boy. The other high quality article came from the 8th grade girl. Note: The two 7th grade students denoted with an * are in a journalism class together that requires them to document various TV NEWS interviews in a similar manner in a class wiki. Each of these students produced 4 articles each, 2 each being high quality. Group 3 produced 4 articles, none of which were deemed to be high quality. Group 4 produced 6 articles, all of which were deemed to be high quality. Group 5 produced 5 articles, 4 of which were deemed to be high quality. Correcting for the students in that journalism class, our little experiment suggests that high school and collage age students can, with some training and support, be utilized in helping to document mailing list conversations to a wiki. The two 7th grade journalism students indicate that the more practice (and in-class time?) a student has with this process, the better they are able to document them. Of the 24 students used for this experiment, only 4 were boys. This may well skew the results. Almost no in-class time was spent on this project. More class time would likely be helpful. All students felt they got more out of this assignment than they would have just writing a paper. The more on-list questions a student asked, the more likely they would produce a high quality article on the subject. Those that asked no questions almost always produced low quality articles (the 7th grade journalism students were the only exceptions to this). All students had to create original articles from the conversations. We did not look at students expanding existing articles. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: PO BOX 620753 Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 781-799-4938 eFax: 309-214-0899 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sun Dec 3 18:04:50 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 07:04:50 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki Experiment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Interesting experiment. Is there a link to the wiki? On 03/12/06, Steven Santos wrote: > I have just finished a small experiment with my schools internal circus arts > wiki, and I thought I would share the results, as it may give a few of you > some ideas (I hope it does!). Please note that this is NOT a scientific > experiment - my testing group was very small, I did not correct for almost > any outside factors (of which there were many I should have corrected for!), > and my test group were mostly over-achievers heavily involved in > intermediate and advanced classes. YMMV. > > Like many, we use an array of private internal and public external email > lists to facilitate the sharing of information. Unfortunately, not nearly > enough of this information makes its way to our internal wiki. So the > question arises, what can we do to change this, without putting more stress > on those who so often answer the questions? > > When looking at the list of subscribers for one specific list, we quickly > realized that most of those subscribed to that list were students taking > various classes. So we asked the question: Could we make effective use of > student time and energy to capture and organize mailing list information > into a wiki in a way that is also beneficial to the student? > > To test this theory, we used 5 groups of students. All students were given > the same assignment, namely to document a list conversation as an > encyclopedic article, following a specific format. In all cases students > were allowed to ask questions to the list, and to there instructors. This > assignment was part of the class grade for all students involved. > > Group 1 was our control group. This group was not given any training or > cueing. These students signed up for lists that had no bearing on their > personal interests (i.e. not related to any class they have ever taken, and > having never expressed an interest in the subject). This group consisted of > the following students: > > 5th grade girl > 6th grade girl > 7th grade boy * > 9th grade girl > 11th grade girl > Junior girl > > > Group 2 was our middle school group with an interest in the subject area. > The students in this group were given 45 minutes of training on what was > expected, and how to document the conversations. These students were also > cued as to what conversations they should each document. This group > consisted of the following students: > > 7th grade girl > 7th grade boy > 7th grade girl * > 8th grade girl > > > Group 3 was our middle school group with no interest in the subject area. > The students in this group were given 45 minutes of training on what was > expected, and how to document the conversations. This group consisted of the > following students: > > 7th grade girl > 7th grade girl > 8th grade girl > 8th grade girl > > Group 4 was our high school group with an interest in the subject area. The > students in this group were given 45 minutes of training on what was > expected, and how to document the conversations. Some cueing was done to > help specific students identify conversations to document. This group > consisted of the following students: > > 9th grade girl > 9th grade girl > 9th grade boy > 10th grade girl > 11th grade girl > > > Group 5 was our collage student group with an interest in the subject area. > The students in this group were given 45 minutes of training on what was > expected, and how to document the conversations. This group consisted of the > following students: > > Freshman boy > Sophomore girl > Junior girl > Junior girl > Senior girl > > > Group 1 produced a total of 9 articles, with 5 of those articles deemed to > be high quality documentation of the mailing list subjects. 4 of the > articles (including 2 of those deemed to be high quality) came from one > student, the 7th grade boy. The other high quality articles were produced > by the 11th grade girl and collage Junior girl of the group. > > Group 2 produced a total of 8 articles, with 3 of those articles deemed to > be high quality documentation of the mailing list subjects. 4 of the > articles (including 2 of those deemed to be high quality) came from one > student, the 7th grade boy. The other high quality article came from the > 8th grade girl. > > Note: The two 7th grade students denoted with an * are in a journalism class > together that requires them to document various TV NEWS interviews in a > similar manner in a class wiki. Each of these students produced 4 articles > each, 2 each being high quality. > > Group 3 produced 4 articles, none of which were deemed to be high quality. > > Group 4 produced 6 articles, all of which were deemed to be high quality. > > Group 5 produced 5 articles, 4 of which were deemed to be high quality. > > Correcting for the students in that journalism class, our little experiment > suggests that high school and collage age students can, with some training > and support, be utilized in helping to document mailing list conversations > to a wiki. > > The two 7th grade journalism students indicate that the more practice (and > in-class time?) a student has with this process, the better they are able to > document them. > > Of the 24 students used for this experiment, only 4 were boys. This may > well skew the results. > > Almost no in-class time was spent on this project. More class time would > likely be helpful. > > All students felt they got more out of this assignment than they would have > just writing a paper. > > The more on-list questions a student asked, the more likely they would > produce a high quality article on the subject. Those that asked no > questions almost always produced low quality articles (the 7th grade > journalism students were the only exceptions to this). > > All students had to create original articles from the conversations. We did > not look at students expanding existing articles. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Steven Santos > Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com > Mail: PO BOX 620753 > Newton, MA 02462 > Phone: 781-799-4938 > eFax: 309-214-0899 > Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From steven at simplycircus.com Sun Dec 3 18:33:55 2006 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 13:33:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki Experiment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: wiki.simplycircus.com is the address of our wiki, however you must have a Simply Circus school account to access it (the wiki holds a large amount of liceanced material - about 20% of the wiki. Yes, those articles are locked for editing, though we encourage commenting on the talk page). I do not have a link to the journalism class wiki, but I am told its only available in the classroom when the teachers laptop is plugged in and turned on. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: PO BOX 620753 Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 781-799-4938 eFax: 309-214-0899 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Krsnendu dasa > Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 1:05 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Wiki Experiment > > > Interesting experiment. Is there a link to the wiki? > > On 03/12/06, Steven Santos wrote: > > I have just finished a small experiment with my schools > internal circus arts > > wiki, and I thought I would share the results, as it may give a > few of you > > some ideas (I hope it does!). Please note that this is NOT a scientific > > experiment - my testing group was very small, I did not correct > for almost > > any outside factors (of which there were many I should have > corrected for!), > > and my test group were mostly over-achievers heavily involved in > > intermediate and advanced classes. YMMV. > > > > Like many, we use an array of private internal and public external email > > lists to facilitate the sharing of information. Unfortunately, > not nearly > > enough of this information makes its way to our internal wiki. So the > > question arises, what can we do to change this, without putting > more stress > > on those who so often answer the questions? > > > > When looking at the list of subscribers for one specific list, > we quickly > > realized that most of those subscribed to that list were students taking > > various classes. So we asked the question: Could we make > effective use of > > student time and energy to capture and organize mailing list information > > into a wiki in a way that is also beneficial to the student? > > > > To test this theory, we used 5 groups of students. All > students were given > > the same assignment, namely to document a list conversation as an > > encyclopedic article, following a specific format. In all cases students > > were allowed to ask questions to the list, and to there > instructors. This > > assignment was part of the class grade for all students involved. > > > > Group 1 was our control group. This group was not given any training or > > cueing. These students signed up for lists that had no bearing on their > > personal interests (i.e. not related to any class they have > ever taken, and > > having never expressed an interest in the subject). This group > consisted of > > the following students: > > > > 5th grade girl > > 6th grade girl > > 7th grade boy * > > 9th grade girl > > 11th grade girl > > Junior girl > > > > > > Group 2 was our middle school group with an interest in the > subject area. > > The students in this group were given 45 minutes of training on what was > > expected, and how to document the conversations. These > students were also > > cued as to what conversations they should each document. This group > > consisted of the following students: > > > > 7th grade girl > > 7th grade boy > > 7th grade girl * > > 8th grade girl > > > > > > Group 3 was our middle school group with no interest in the > subject area. > > The students in this group were given 45 minutes of training on what was > > expected, and how to document the conversations. This group > consisted of the > > following students: > > > > 7th grade girl > > 7th grade girl > > 8th grade girl > > 8th grade girl > > > > Group 4 was our high school group with an interest in the > subject area. The > > students in this group were given 45 minutes of training on what was > > expected, and how to document the conversations. Some cueing > was done to > > help specific students identify conversations to document. This group > > consisted of the following students: > > > > 9th grade girl > > 9th grade girl > > 9th grade boy > > 10th grade girl > > 11th grade girl > > > > > > Group 5 was our collage student group with an interest in the > subject area. > > The students in this group were given 45 minutes of training on what was > > expected, and how to document the conversations. This group > consisted of the > > following students: > > > > Freshman boy > > Sophomore girl > > Junior girl > > Junior girl > > Senior girl > > > > > > Group 1 produced a total of 9 articles, with 5 of those > articles deemed to > > be high quality documentation of the mailing list subjects. 4 of the > > articles (including 2 of those deemed to be high quality) came from one > > student, the 7th grade boy. The other high quality articles > were produced > > by the 11th grade girl and collage Junior girl of the group. > > > > Group 2 produced a total of 8 articles, with 3 of those > articles deemed to > > be high quality documentation of the mailing list subjects. 4 of the > > articles (including 2 of those deemed to be high quality) came from one > > student, the 7th grade boy. The other high quality article > came from the > > 8th grade girl. > > > > Note: The two 7th grade students denoted with an * are in a > journalism class > > together that requires them to document various TV NEWS interviews in a > > similar manner in a class wiki. Each of these students > produced 4 articles > > each, 2 each being high quality. > > > > Group 3 produced 4 articles, none of which were deemed to be > high quality. > > > > Group 4 produced 6 articles, all of which were deemed to be > high quality. > > > > Group 5 produced 5 articles, 4 of which were deemed to be high quality. > > > > Correcting for the students in that journalism class, our > little experiment > > suggests that high school and collage age students can, with > some training > > and support, be utilized in helping to document mailing list > conversations > > to a wiki. > > > > The two 7th grade journalism students indicate that the more > practice (and > > in-class time?) a student has with this process, the better > they are able to > > document them. > > > > Of the 24 students used for this experiment, only 4 were boys. This may > > well skew the results. > > > > Almost no in-class time was spent on this project. More class > time would > > likely be helpful. > > > > All students felt they got more out of this assignment than > they would have > > just writing a paper. > > > > The more on-list questions a student asked, the more likely they would > > produce a high quality article on the subject. Those that asked no > > questions almost always produced low quality articles (the 7th grade > > journalism students were the only exceptions to this). > > > > All students had to create original articles from the > conversations. We did > > not look at students expanding existing articles. > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Steven Santos > > Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > > Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com > > Mail: PO BOX 620753 > > Newton, MA 02462 > > Phone: 781-799-4938 > > eFax: 309-214-0899 > > Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Dec 3 19:03:11 2006 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (brcisna at eazylivin.net) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 13:03:11 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Adobe Reader 7 shows blank page in Firefox Message-ID: <48016.192.168.254.3.1165172591.squirrel@server1> Hello List, I'm sure this has been hashed a zillion times,but I can not get Adobe Reader 7.0.5 (rpm) to show anything but a blank page in Firefox. This is a fresh install of K12LTSP v.5 . I ve read all kinds of similar scenario's,but no one has a definitive answer? If I downgrade to the k12ltsp version of adobe 5.0 all is fine. I'd like to get the latest/greatest features of Acroread 7.0,though. I HAVE searched through the archives here as well,but no go? I'm sure others have run into this. When I do a "about:plugins" in Firefox, extension .pdf does show up in mozplugger as enabled. Thanks for any help, Barry Cisna From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Dec 3 20:04:35 2006 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (brcisna at eazylivin.net) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 14:04:35 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re:Adobe Reader 7 shows blank page in Firefox Message-ID: <57796.192.168.254.3.1165176275.squirrel@server1> Hello list, I finally cured this problem( after many hours of head scratching). This is why i have no hair! I was fighting with rpm 7.0.5. I was symlinking/unsymlinking,yada,,yada,was missing the web_browser_plgin, file to integrate with Firefox.,. I checked and adobe has v 7.0.8 rpm now. Installed this and Acro Reader views PDF's in the web browser , no probs. So, if wanting latest/greatest, Adobe Reader for Firefox/Linux, make sure you search for v. 7.0.8 rpm at Adobes site. Thanks, Barry Cisna From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Mon Dec 4 02:27:45 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 19:27:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Hardware question where the newest K12LTSP is being used Message-ID: <457387A1.1020906@elp.rr.com> My current server is a home made affair that has a 1GHz AMD processor in it. I was recently given a newer box that has an Intel 2.2GHz processor in it. Can I move the hard drive from the AMD machine to the Intel machine without having to re-install everything or loosing my students' folders and files? Thanks in advance Pat From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Dec 4 02:39:06 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 18:39:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Hardware question where the newest K12LTSP is being used In-Reply-To: <457387A1.1020906@elp.rr.com> References: <457387A1.1020906@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <45738A4A.3060405@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> John P. Conlon wrote: > My current server is a home made affair that has a 1GHz AMD processor > in it. I was recently given a newer box that has an Intel 2.2GHz > processor in it. Can I move the hard drive from the AMD machine to the > Intel machine without having to re-install everything or loosing my > students' folders and files? > > Thanks in advance > Pat > With processors, the only time you really run into problems is if you are doing a major hardware downgrade. Moving from a 64bit AMD Opteron to an Intel P4, for example. Or moving from a P4 to a 386 or 486. I would expect moving from a 1GHz AMD (32bit Athlon, I'd guess) to a P4 2.2GHz would work without a problem. -Eric From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Mon Dec 4 03:29:26 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 20:29:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Hardware question where the newest K12LTSP is being used In-Reply-To: <45738A4A.3060405@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <457387A1.1020906@elp.rr.com> <45738A4A.3060405@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <45739616.4080103@elp.rr.com> I did leave out some data didn't I. The AMD is indeed an Athalon but all I really know about the Intel is that it is a faster processor and uses the edge socket style what ever that is. Thanks Pat Eric Harrison wrote: > John P. Conlon wrote: > >> My current server is a home made affair that has a 1GHz AMD >> processor in it. I was recently given a newer box that has an Intel >> 2.2GHz processor in it. Can I move the hard drive from the AMD >> machine to the Intel machine without having to re-install everything >> or loosing my students' folders and files? >> >> Thanks in advance >> Pat >> > > With processors, the only time you really run into problems is if you > are doing a major hardware downgrade. Moving from a 64bit AMD Opteron > to an Intel P4, for example. Or moving from a P4 to a 386 or 486. > > I would expect moving from a 1GHz AMD (32bit Athlon, I'd guess) to a > P4 2.2GHz would work without a problem. > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Mon Dec 4 06:20:34 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 22:20:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Hardware question where the newest K12LTSP is being used In-Reply-To: <45739616.4080103@elp.rr.com> References: <457387A1.1020906@elp.rr.com> <45738A4A.3060405@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45739616.4080103@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: On 12/3/06, John P. Conlon wrote: > I did leave out some data didn't I. The AMD is indeed an Athalon but > all I really know about the Intel is that it is a faster processor and > uses the edge socket style what ever that is. > Thanks > Pat The socket type doesn't matter. Chances are you are probably using the athlon in 32 bit mode. So going to the intel will be fine. Most newer intels support 64bit anyway. This is one of the nice benefits of using linux I discovered when I first got into it. You can move hard drives from one machine to another without too much problem since the drivers are in the kernel. Try doing that with a Windoze box. Your product activation will choke (Geniune Disadvantage will fail) not to mention Registry and Driver Hell. That's when you would have to do a complete re-install. > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > > John P. Conlon wrote: > > > >> My current server is a home made affair that has a 1GHz AMD > >> processor in it. I was recently given a newer box that has an Intel > >> 2.2GHz processor in it. Can I move the hard drive from the AMD > >> machine to the Intel machine without having to re-install everything > >> or loosing my students' folders and files? > >> > >> Thanks in advance > >> Pat > >> > > > > With processors, the only time you really run into problems is if you > > are doing a major hardware downgrade. Moving from a 64bit AMD Opteron > > to an Intel P4, for example. Or moving from a P4 to a 386 or 486. > > > > I would expect moving from a 1GHz AMD (32bit Athlon, I'd guess) to a > > P4 2.2GHz would work without a problem. > > > > -Eric > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From robark at gmail.com Mon Dec 4 06:38:05 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 22:38:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Hardware question where the newest K12LTSP is being used In-Reply-To: References: <457387A1.1020906@elp.rr.com> <45738A4A.3060405@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45739616.4080103@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: On 12/3/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 12/3/06, John P. Conlon wrote: > > I did leave out some data didn't I. The AMD is indeed an Athalon but > > all I really know about the Intel is that it is a faster processor and > > uses the edge socket style what ever that is. > > Thanks > > Pat > > The socket type doesn't matter. Chances are you are probably using the > athlon in 32 bit mode. So going to the intel will be fine. Most newer > intels support 64bit anyway. This is one of the nice benefits of using > linux I discovered when I first got into it. You can move hard drives > from one machine to another without too much problem since the drivers > are in the kernel. Try doing that with a Windoze box. Your product > activation will choke (Geniune Disadvantage will fail) not to mention > Registry and Driver Hell. That's when you would have to do a complete > re-install. I forgot. If the video card is different you will have to modify the driver line in /etc/X11/xorg.conf > > > > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > > John P. Conlon wrote: > > > > > >> My current server is a home made affair that has a 1GHz AMD > > >> processor in it. I was recently given a newer box that has an Intel > > >> 2.2GHz processor in it. Can I move the hard drive from the AMD > > >> machine to the Intel machine without having to re-install everything > > >> or loosing my students' folders and files? > > >> > > >> Thanks in advance > > >> Pat > > >> > > > > > > With processors, the only time you really run into problems is if you > > > are doing a major hardware downgrade. Moving from a 64bit AMD Opteron > > > to an Intel P4, for example. Or moving from a P4 to a 386 or 486. > > > > > > I would expect moving from a 1GHz AMD (32bit Athlon, I'd guess) to a > > > P4 2.2GHz would work without a problem. > > > > > > -Eric > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From ahodson at elp.rr.com Mon Dec 4 15:28:57 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson at elp.rr.com) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 08:28:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Refurbished sites/stories Message-ID: Hi group The district's head of instructional technology has asked me to compile a "how can old computers be used again" using linux and open source. I believe it's part of a county-wide effort to provide employment to (twin-plant/maquila) displaced workers. I can rant about how-to, but I am in short supply of links to disticts and communities where this is being done. I also know there are vendors in the list that may want to make sure their contribution appears, as the district will most likely farm out the initial training and workplace set-up. I will gladly share the results with the group, as Open Source's mantra is about sharing information and resources. cheers Alan A Hodson http://links.episd.org/ El Paso TX -=o=- From petre at maltzen.net Mon Dec 4 17:16:53 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 11:16:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] HP Pavillion a1600n Message-ID: <45745805.7050803@maltzen.net> We're trying to install onto an HP Pavillion a1600n that has a SATA drive. The installation went okay, but booting is failing. Specifically, GRUB runs, the kernel loads, and I think the initrd file loads and during that stage it's hanging in the process of detecting or talking to the IDE bus (I'm offsite, and this is what the tech there is telling me). If I'm getting the correct information, it sounds like the system is talking to the SATA bus and drive, but hanging on some other piece; but SATA drives in HP/Compaqs have given me trouble before. Anyone run into this or have any suggestions? Petre From twolfe at sawback.com Mon Dec 4 17:34:53 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:34:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Logon screen asks to "reenter password" Message-ID: For some reason my K12ltsp logon screens are asking users (domain and local) to "reenter password:" so that they have to type their passwords twice. I'm not sure what I did to cause this. Can anyone tell me how to fix this? Thanks, Tom Wolfe From Theo.Turner at CumnorHouse.com Mon Dec 4 17:47:33 2006 From: Theo.Turner at CumnorHouse.com (Theo Turner) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 17:47:33 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Logon screen asks to "reenter password" Message-ID: <2A05A29A9916524F969FFB1FA042BFC34C8F93@server.CumnorHouse.local> I've done this when modifying the kdm, xdm, gdm config files. I was enabling winbind etc for windows auth. Unfortunately I made it check twice and that was the result. I hope that helps Theo -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Tom Wolfe Sent: 04 December 2006 17:35 To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Logon screen asks to "reenter password" For some reason my K12ltsp logon screens are asking users (domain and local) to "reenter password:" so that they have to type their passwords twice. I'm not sure what I did to cause this. Can anyone tell me how to fix this? Thanks, Tom Wolfe _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Mon Dec 4 18:26:06 2006 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 18:26:06 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing issues for Windows Users -> Thin-client network printers Message-ID: <1165256766.5446.0.camel@discovery.hhp> I've rolled out MS Terminal Services for a few staff (that use Blackbaud's Education Edge), and I am seeing large documents (30+ pages w/ images, and large pdf files) disappear between the print server (k12ltsp server) and the printer itself. Printing it in smaller chunks works. The Terminal Server uses the Windows drivers (specific to the printer) and uses the Samba share ( cups options = raw) Any thoughts? Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Dec 4 18:32:37 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 10:32:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing issues for Windows Users -> Thin-client network printers In-Reply-To: <1165256766.5446.0.camel@discovery.hhp> References: <1165256766.5446.0.camel@discovery.hhp> Message-ID: <457469C5.2080008@mesd.k12.or.us> Henry Burroughs wrote: > I've rolled out MS Terminal Services for a few staff (that use > Blackbaud's Education Edge), and I am seeing large documents (30+ pages > w/ images, and large pdf files) disappear between the print server > (k12ltsp server) and the printer itself. Printing it in smaller chunks > works. The Terminal Server uses the Windows drivers (specific to the > printer) and uses the Samba share ( cups options = raw) Any thoughts? Do you have MaxRequestSize set in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Mon Dec 4 19:00:41 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:00:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] "Second Life" in Education Interview: Wow... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://educationbridges.net/k12opensource/wp-content/uploads/SecondLife.mp3 http://educationbridges.net/k12opensource/wp-content/uploads/SecondLife.ogg I don't know whether to be scared or excited about Second Life. This interview today with Gavin Dudeneyof The Consultants-E , who run the EduNation island in Second Life, was a fascinating look at this virtual online world--a place where Gavin spends 8 - 10 hours per day! We spent the first half of the interview just talking about how Second Life works. It is both compelling and frightening at the same time--the idea of "going" to a virtual location for a conference actually makes a lot of sense (with all of the technologies built into the venue, it will be very intuitive), but paying money for designer clothing to put on your online avatar (character)? Yikes. I have an image of pale, lifeless children sitting dark rooms in front of their computers, sucking nutrients from a tube while their heroic online avatars live their lives for them... When I asked about the safety issues relating to the use of Second Life for youth, Gavin described a "teen grid," which even Gavin doesn't have access to because you have to apply and go through some security/background checks to be able to interact with youth there. This interview is only about 33 minutes long, and--for those who don't know anything about Second Life--should be a real eye-opener. At the end of the interview Gavin generously gives instructions for getting a personal tour from him once you are in Second Life. Steve -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.EdTechLive.com (Podcasts, Workshops, & Conferences) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.K12OpenSource.com (Public Wiki) www.SupportBlogging.com (Public Wiki) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Dec 4 19:22:20 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 08:22:20 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [BackupPC-users] Installation on Fedora Core 5 login to CGI pagetrouble. In-Reply-To: References: <000101c717c2$b2f7d870$4145a8c0@ericsnyder> <45746F74.10801@steelpennygames.com> Message-ID: BTW I tried changing the ownership and permissions for /etc/BackupPC/apache.users and /etc/BackupPC/ I changed it to BackupPC:apache and all rights to everyone. Still can't get in. On 05/12/06, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > On 05/12/06, Jason Hughes wrote: > > Are you missing a double-quote on the AuthName line? That might confuse > > the parser, causing who knows what problems. > > > > JH > > > > Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > AuthName "BackupPC > I fixed this but I still can't get in. Here is the output of the error log. > > [Tue Dec 05 08:07:40 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission > denied: Could not open password file: /etc/BackupPC/apache.users > [Tue Dec 05 08:07:40 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] access to > /BackupPC failed, reason: verification of user id 'krsnendu' not > configured > From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Dec 4 19:13:22 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 08:13:22 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [BackupPC-users] Installation on Fedora Core 5 login to CGI pagetrouble. In-Reply-To: <45746F74.10801@steelpennygames.com> References: <000101c717c2$b2f7d870$4145a8c0@ericsnyder> <45746F74.10801@steelpennygames.com> Message-ID: On 05/12/06, Jason Hughes wrote: > Are you missing a double-quote on the AuthName line? That might confuse > the parser, causing who knows what problems. > > JH > > Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > AuthName "BackupPC I fixed this but I still can't get in. Here is the output of the error log. [Tue Dec 05 08:07:40 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission denied: Could not open password file: /etc/BackupPC/apache.users [Tue Dec 05 08:07:40 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] access to /BackupPC failed, reason: verification of user id 'krsnendu' not configured From pnelson.k12 at gmail.com Mon Dec 4 21:29:03 2006 From: pnelson.k12 at gmail.com (Paul Nelson) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 13:29:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How-tos on configuring K12LTSP logons to Active Directory In-Reply-To: References: <2be970b50611171457o76c91f87tc993e35807f142dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <508f42dc0612041329m35cc9c1bs27f72f8de6c7c5d5@mail.gmail.com> Yes... Please post this on the K12LTSP Wiki: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/HomePage I'm just at the point where I need to do this. Having a howto on the wiki would be great! ;-) Paul Nelson From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Mon Dec 4 23:13:19 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 18:13:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How-tos on configuring K12LTSP logons to Active Directory In-Reply-To: <508f42dc0612041329m35cc9c1bs27f72f8de6c7c5d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50611171457o76c91f87tc993e35807f142dd@mail.gmail.com> <508f42dc0612041329m35cc9c1bs27f72f8de6c7c5d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061204181319.pw6xfxe7usgcc4w4@neatmail.unh.edu> Paul and All, Check here: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Documentation I posted a How-To quite a while ago on authenticating against Windows ADS. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Director of Technology Epping School District P: 603.679.8003 x105 F: 603.679.2196 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Quoting Paul Nelson : > Yes... Please post this on the K12LTSP Wiki: > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/HomePage > > I'm just at the point where I need to do this. Having a howto on the > wiki would be great! > > ;-) Paul Nelson > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mel at melwade.com Mon Dec 4 23:17:57 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 15:17:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How-tos on configuring K12LTSP logons to Active Directory In-Reply-To: References: <2be970b50611171457o76c91f87tc993e35807f142dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43080f460612041517t2a402928of6e2853846e9e0a2@mail.gmail.com> I've been looking for a direct howto in this for K12LTSP and yours is the best I have found so far. Here is some feedback. Step 1 Somewhere before h) you need to add a substep that edits /etc/hosts to be sure the first line is as follows: 127.0.0.1 ltspserver.domain.com ltspserver with "ltspserver" and "domain.com" replaced with your server name and domain. I believe that at the end of stop 1 you also need to change the follwing lines in nsswitch.conf passwd: files winbind shadow: files winbind group: files winbind to: passwd: compat winbind shadow: compat winbind group: compat winbind Step 3 Be sure to reference yum install pam_mount as this is not clear. More later... -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From twolfe at sawback.com Tue Dec 5 07:39:07 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 02:39:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] How-tos on configuring K12LTSP logons to Active Directory In-Reply-To: <20061204181319.pw6xfxe7usgcc4w4@neatmail.unh.edu> References: <2be970b50611171457o76c91f87tc993e35807f142dd@mail.gmail.com> <508f42dc0612041329m35cc9c1bs27f72f8de6c7c5d5@mail.gmail.com> <20061204181319.pw6xfxe7usgcc4w4@neatmail.unh.edu> Message-ID: Paul, that how-to is great (an excellent improvement over my "step 1") but it's missing what for me is the most important, which is automagically mounting and creating a link to the users' data directories on the windows file servers (my "step 2" and "step 3"). Have you had success with this and if so have you made a how-to? At the moment I have everything working great, but have a sole remaining problem in that adding pam_mount.so to my session list in system-auth results in a "reenter password" prompt at all logins (graphical, console, etc.). I can't for the life of me figure out why and how to fix this. relevant line from system-auth: session required pam_mount.so --> when this is commented out, I only have to enter the password once; when it is active I need to enter the password twice. I've tried changing "required" to optional, etc., and tried changing its position, but to no avail. Any ideas out there? I'm sure someone has been through this before... Regards, Tom Wolfe On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Paul VanGundy wrote: > Paul and All, > > Check here: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Documentation > > I posted a How-To quite a while ago on authenticating against Windows ADS. > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Director of Technology > Epping School District > P: 603.679.8003 x105 > F: 603.679.2196 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > > Quoting Paul Nelson : > > > Yes... Please post this on the K12LTSP Wiki: > > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/HomePage > > > > I'm just at the point where I need to do this. Having a howto on the > > wiki would be great! > > > > ;-) Paul Nelson > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > From mel at melwade.com Tue Dec 5 14:20:51 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 06:20:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How-tos on configuring K12LTSP logons to Active Directory In-Reply-To: References: <2be970b50611171457o76c91f87tc993e35807f142dd@mail.gmail.com> <508f42dc0612041329m35cc9c1bs27f72f8de6c7c5d5@mail.gmail.com> <20061204181319.pw6xfxe7usgcc4w4@neatmail.unh.edu> Message-ID: <43080f460612050620q6703ff4ax8a9fd57760a22648@mail.gmail.com> I think it's a great walk through, but very different for K12LSTP 6.0. We need a step by step for that too. Try a different term the "required" in your pam_mount line. The pam_mount in itself does not require a login. -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Tue Dec 5 16:29:03 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:29:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How many clients on server with one PATA disk? Message-ID: <45759E4F.8030600@maltzen.net> How many clients are people supporting with a server with a single PATA (IDE--the kind with the wide ribbon cable) drive? As alluded to yesterday, I'm having trouble getting an HP Pavillion with a SATA drive to boot, although install and rescue mode both work fine. One option we're considering is using a PATA disk. There *used* to be a problem with PATA/IDE disks if you had more than 10 clients, but that was some years ago, and in the mean time, IDE disks have gotten faster, bigger caches, and I suspect that the spec has improved also, such that the 10-client limit may not apply so much any more. So, I'm wondering how many clients people are able to satisfactorily support on a box with a single PATA IDE drive (don't worry about the RAM). Petre From thewhitmers at gmail.com Tue Dec 5 17:17:07 2006 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:17:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How many clients on server with one PATA disk? In-Reply-To: <45759E4F.8030600@maltzen.net> References: <45759E4F.8030600@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On 12/5/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > How many clients are people supporting with a server with a single PATA (IDE--the kind > with the wide ribbon cable) drive? As alluded to yesterday, I'm having trouble getting > an HP Pavillion with a SATA drive to boot, although install and rescue mode both work > fine. One option we're considering is using a PATA disk. There *used* to be a problem > with PATA/IDE disks if you had more than 10 clients, but that was some years ago, and in > the mean time, IDE disks have gotten faster, bigger caches, and I suspect that the spec > has improved also, such that the 10-client limit may not apply so much any more. So, > I'm wondering how many clients people are able to satisfactorily support on a box with a > single PATA IDE drive (don't worry about the RAM). > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Petre, Last school year we ran 14 thin clients off a "server" that used a consumer-grade 7200 rpm PATA IDE drive. No problems. David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org email: thewhitmers at gmail.com From mel at melwade.com Tue Dec 5 18:54:04 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 10:54:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] NTP Sync Message-ID: <43080f460612051054o5abc4df9y99fc0c83d32d6236@mail.gmail.com> I'm running K12LSTP 6 on a VMware virutal server. My time sync is WAY off when syncing to a Win DC or an external time server. I seem to running at about 1/2 speed. Any help would be appreciated. [root at library ~]# ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter ============================================================================== 10.0.4.2 131.216.1.101 3 u 27 64 7 0.915 65231.3 64643.2 10.0.4.3 10.0.4.2 4 u 25 64 7 1.974 1032.70 47072.2 This is after about 1 sec: [root at library ~]# ntpdate -u 10.0.4.2 5 Dec 10:53:24 ntpdate[23938]: adjust time server 10.0.4.2 offset 0.495167 sec -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Dec 5 19:13:36 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:13:36 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0.0 Release Candidate #1 Message-ID: <4575C4E0.5070303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I came -> <- this close to releasing BETA7 as the official K12LTSP 6.0.0, but my very last QA test found a slight build issue with the 64bit ISOs that I wanted to fix. I get the joy of running through my test cycle again. This takes me a day or two, depending on how hectic work is. There is the OSDL Desktop conference here in Portland on Thursday and Friday, so if I don't get the done by tomorrow, it will be this weekend. So here we go, K12LTSP 6.0.0 Release Candidate #1. Odds are pretty good that this will be the final build.... -Eric RC1 ISO images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, Athlon, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ . RC1 SO images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ . RC1 DVD images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, Athlon, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ . RC1 DVD images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ . From mel at melwade.com Tue Dec 5 19:22:02 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:22:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0.0 Release Candidate #1 In-Reply-To: <4575C4E0.5070303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4575C4E0.5070303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43080f460612051122s460c49dar71413a36098694b5@mail.gmail.com> I can't get any updates from yum. On 12/5/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > I came -> <- this close to releasing BETA7 as the official K12LTSP > 6.0.0, but my very last QA test found a slight build issue with the > 64bit ISOs that I wanted to fix. > > I get the joy of running through my test cycle again. This takes me a > day or two, depending on how hectic work is. There is the OSDL Desktop > conference here in Portland on Thursday and Friday, so if I don't get > the done by tomorrow, it will be this weekend. > > So here we go, K12LTSP 6.0.0 Release Candidate #1. Odds are pretty good > that this will be the final build.... > > -Eric > > > > RC1 ISO images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, Athlon, etc) > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ . > > > RC1 SO images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ . > > > > > RC1 DVD images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, > Athlon, etc) > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ . > > > RC1 DVD images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ . > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From twolfe at sawback.com Tue Dec 5 21:32:17 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:32:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] How-tos on configuring K12LTSP logons to Active Directory In-Reply-To: <43080f460612050620q6703ff4ax8a9fd57760a22648@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50611171457o76c91f87tc993e35807f142dd@mail.gmail.com> <508f42dc0612041329m35cc9c1bs27f72f8de6c7c5d5@mail.gmail.com> <20061204181319.pw6xfxe7usgcc4w4@neatmail.unh.edu> <43080f460612050620q6703ff4ax8a9fd57760a22648@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Mel, thanks, but I tried just about every option such as optional, requisite, etc. I'll try it again though and see... Regards, Tom Wolfe On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Mel Wade wrote: > I think it's a great walk through, but very different for K12LSTP 6.0. We > need a step by step for that too. > > Try a different term the "required" in your pam_mount line. > > The pam_mount in itself does not require a login. > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > From dahopkins at comcast.net Tue Dec 5 21:39:52 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:39:52 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Impress/Firefox very, very, very slow Message-ID: <120520062139.27898.4575E728000359FD00006CFA22165514069C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> All, After several weeks of things working well, the tech teacher is now reporting that when using both Impress and Firefox at the same time, the system becomes unusable. The students are using Firefox to browse to sites and get pictures that are put into Impress. This is with 30 users using both packages. We use StarOffice 8, not the latest 00.o version. Also, beagleindex seems to want to run as well. The net effect is that the load average is being pushed past 50 on the system. Just guessing, but could this be an issue with the pspfontcache or some other similar cached files getting too large? I can try most anything to resolve it short of re-installing the OS (not till Christmas break). We have ldap with master/slave ldap servers (thanks to Matt and David Trask). Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue Dec 5 22:03:55 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:03:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Impress/Firefox very, very, very slow In-Reply-To: <120520062139.27898.4575E728000359FD00006CFA22165514069C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <120520062139.27898.4575E728000359FD00006CFA22165514069C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Start with "top" and see if you can see what's eating all the cpu. If it's an openoffice issue then it might help to try a newer version. How fast is the CPU on that server? On Dec 5, 2006, at 3:39 PM, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > All, > > After several weeks of things working well, the tech teacher is now > reporting that when using both Impress and Firefox at the same > time, the system becomes unusable. The students are using Firefox > to browse to sites and get pictures that are put into Impress. > This is with 30 users using both packages. We use StarOffice 8, > not the latest 00.o version. Also, beagleindex seems to want to > run as well. The net effect is that the load average is being > pushed past 50 on the system. Just guessing, but could this be an > issue with the pspfontcache or some other similar cached files > getting too large? I can try most anything to resolve it short of > re-installing the OS (not till Christmas break). We have ldap with > master/slave ldap servers (thanks to Matt and David Trask). > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > Newark Charter School > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkV17MsACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRpiQCeLOHyfgYIr6r73o9Dax9cT8Pl p0gAn12tcMhJmgZoXbTDiH2TG5vsHOWl =wKI/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dahopkins at comcast.net Tue Dec 5 22:08:18 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:08:18 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Impress/Firefox very, very, very slow Message-ID: <120520062208.25870.4575EDD2000B7DD30000650E22165514069C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Top shows impress and firefox taking most of the cpu on the system (with beagleindex intermingled as well at times). The system is dual 2.4Gz Hyperthreaded Xeon with 4Gb memory, Ultra320 18Gb drives. Fedora core 4 (k12ltsp 4) ran very well, but ... upgraded at start of year and have had issues off-and-on ever since. Issues only show up under load (more than 5 users) I am downloading patches for SO8 and will apply them as well (340Mb download) Sincerely, Dave Hopkins -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Burke Almquist > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Start with "top" and see if you can see what's eating all the cpu. If > it's an openoffice issue then it might help to try a newer version. > How fast is the CPU on that server? > > On Dec 5, 2006, at 3:39 PM, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > > All, > > > > After several weeks of things working well, the tech teacher is now > > reporting that when using both Impress and Firefox at the same > > time, the system becomes unusable. The students are using Firefox > > to browse to sites and get pictures that are put into Impress. > > This is with 30 users using both packages. We use StarOffice 8, > > not the latest 00.o version. Also, beagleindex seems to want to > > run as well. The net effect is that the load average is being > > pushed past 50 on the system. Just guessing, but could this be an > > issue with the pspfontcache or some other similar cached files > > getting too large? I can try most anything to resolve it short of > > re-installing the OS (not till Christmas break). We have ldap with > > master/slave ldap servers (thanks to Matt and David Trask). > > > > Sincerely, > > Dave Hopkins > > Newark Charter School > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkV17MsACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRpiQCeLOHyfgYIr6r73o9Dax9cT8Pl > p0gAn12tcMhJmgZoXbTDiH2TG5vsHOWl > =wKI/ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue Dec 5 22:18:26 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:18:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Impress/Firefox very, very, very slow In-Reply-To: <120520062208.25870.4575EDD2000B7DD30000650E22165514069C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <120520062208.25870.4575EDD2000B7DD30000650E22165514069C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Are you using firefox 1.5 or 2.0? On Dec 5, 2006, at 4:08 PM, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Top shows impress and firefox taking most of the cpu on the system > (with beagleindex intermingled as well at times). The system is > dual 2.4Gz Hyperthreaded Xeon with 4Gb memory, Ultra320 18Gb > drives. Fedora core 4 (k12ltsp 4) ran very well, but ... upgraded > at start of year and have had issues off-and-on ever since. Issues > only show up under load (more than 5 users) > > I am downloading patches for SO8 and will apply them as well (340Mb > download) > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkV18DIACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRWVwCff1miNMIHVNRAa6rAdaM6hVPs E0wAn3eQx0KwelJlg+Yo6HY7nP7M30er =6qcW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dahopkins at comcast.net Tue Dec 5 22:25:17 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:25:17 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Impress/Firefox very, very, very slow Message-ID: <120520062225.29771.4575F1CD000380040000744B22165514069C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Ver 1.5. The Tech Teacher is very leary of upgrading to 2.0 and having anything 'break' once the school year starts. But ... with the current issues, maybe that would be an option. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Burke Almquist > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Are you using firefox 1.5 or 2.0? > > On Dec 5, 2006, at 4:08 PM, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > > Top shows impress and firefox taking most of the cpu on the system > > (with beagleindex intermingled as well at times). The system is > > dual 2.4Gz Hyperthreaded Xeon with 4Gb memory, Ultra320 18Gb > > drives. Fedora core 4 (k12ltsp 4) ran very well, but ... upgraded > > at start of year and have had issues off-and-on ever since. Issues > > only show up under load (more than 5 users) > > > > I am downloading patches for SO8 and will apply them as well (340Mb > > download) > > > > Sincerely, > > Dave Hopkins > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkV18DIACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRWVwCff1miNMIHVNRAa6rAdaM6hVPs > E0wAn3eQx0KwelJlg+Yo6HY7nP7M30er > =6qcW > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From Henry_Schaechterle at beavton.k12.or.us Tue Dec 5 22:39:57 2006 From: Henry_Schaechterle at beavton.k12.or.us (Henry Schaechterle) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 14:39:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Hello Message-ID: I've just joined this email list and thought I should do a quick intro. After about 20yrs in hi-tek (16 at Intel R+D --- Desktop R+D) I decided it was time to bail out of my cube and do something else. I'm now starting my 3rd month at Sunset High School in the Beaverton School District located in Beaverton Oregon. I came in as an Instructional Assistant (primarily to provide tech support) - but after 2 months they moved me into the Tech Facilitator role as that person was moving into a Dept. chair role. Any way I'm having a lot of fun doing basic support (we're 85% Macs - rest are PCs) - learning the ropes on how they network and other processes - and doing a lot of organization etc. While I was doing engineering level work at Intel - that is so different from handling support and network activities ---- as I'm sure you all know. As to my Linux experience - I've been installing and playing around with SUSE - Mandriva - Ubuntu - and Fedora Core 6 over the past 6 months at home. Just loading and testing the desktop environments --- I have a bit of a grasp of the basics -- but I am not a hard-core terminal guy or system hack. My goal here is to build a digital media server using Linux - digital media server is probably not the correct term, but the primary use of this server will be for students learning digital photography - digital video - and to support our school year book production and publishing. So it will be storing and serving a lot of digital media. I've already down loaded and imaged onto CDROMs K12 LTSP 5.0. And step one is to load that onto a test box here and play with the server side of things - maybe build a small test network with a PC and a Mac on it. The larger plan is to build the actual server in January and slowly take it on-line slowly adding classes and students. I'll certainly be looking for any input on how to build the server. Well so much for my "short" intro - I thank you for all your help in advance Henry Schaechterle Tech Facilitator Sunset High School 503 259-5050 x2410 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Dec 5 23:40:30 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:40:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Hello In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1466.76.179.82.249.1165362030.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> holler if you need help 8~) getting going!! From joebaker at dcresearch.com Tue Dec 5 23:34:34 2006 From: joebaker at dcresearch.com (Joe Baker) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:34:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Impress/Firefox very, very, very slow In-Reply-To: <120520062139.27898.4575E728000359FD00006CFA22165514069C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <120520062139.27898.4575E728000359FD00006CFA22165514069C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4576020A.3080201@dcresearch.com> dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > All, > > After several weeks of things working well, the tech teacher is now reporting that when using both Impress and Firefox at the same time, the system becomes unusable. The students are using Firefox to browse to sites and get pictures that are put into Impress. This is with 30 users using both packages. We use StarOffice 8, not the latest 00.o version. Also, beagleindex seems to want to run as well. The net effect is that the load average is being pushed past 50 on the system. Just guessing, but could this be an issue with the pspfontcache or some other similar cached files getting too large? I can try most anything to resolve it short of re-installing the OS (not till Christmas break). We have ldap with master/slave ldap servers (thanks to Matt and David Trask). > I would uninstall beagle. Having each user account building indexes of all the public files on the system could lead to a huge amount of wasted CPU, disk space, etc... Kde has something like this as well on Mandriva. Right after I loaded Mandriva 2006.0 I uninstalled the desktop search tool on our LTSP server. -Joe Baker From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Dec 6 02:00:24 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:00:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0.0 Release Candidate #1 In-Reply-To: <4575C4E0.5070303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4575C4E0.5070303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <45762438.1070808@paasda.org> Just installed the 64-bit dvd iso yesterday Eric. clicking on 'Fedora Extras Repository' during the install process was a show stopper...crashed the install...reboot required. also...after NOT checking that and completing the install... when logging in for the first time with a user...some error about Gnome applets I don't have specifics as I'm off site atm...and didn't think to write down the error msg and bring it with me.. The message asks if you want to delete the applet from your configuration... and things SEEM to be running slow with only 6 clients on a gig uplink...tuxmath..maybe it's just always slow...dunno don't use at the high school just this new site. dual dual-core Xeon 5130's...2.0Ghz...8 gigs of ram... have not actually had a chance to look into which kernel is being used and if all 8 gigs of ram are useable atm. --Huck Eric Harrison wrote: > > I came -> <- this close to releasing BETA7 as the official K12LTSP > 6.0.0, but my very last QA test found a slight build issue with the > 64bit ISOs that I wanted to fix. > > I get the joy of running through my test cycle again. This takes me a > day or two, depending on how hectic work is. There is the OSDL Desktop > conference here in Portland on Thursday and Friday, so if I don't get > the done by tomorrow, it will be this weekend. > > So here we go, K12LTSP 6.0.0 Release Candidate #1. Odds are pretty good > that this will be the final build.... > > -Eric > > > > RC1 ISO images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, Athlon, etc) > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ . > > > RC1 SO images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ . > > > > > RC1 DVD images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, > Athlon, etc) > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ . > > > RC1 DVD images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ . > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Dec 6 02:03:16 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:03:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Impress/Firefox very, very, very slow In-Reply-To: <4576020A.3080201@dcresearch.com> References: <120520062139.27898.4575E728000359FD00006CFA22165514069C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <4576020A.3080201@dcresearch.com> Message-ID: <457624E4.7040309@paasda.org> yeah just noticed this beagle thing on k12ltsp 6.0beta7... is this really beneficial with an LTSP setup? --Huck Joe Baker wrote: > dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: >> All, >> >> After several weeks of things working well, the tech teacher is now >> reporting that when using both Impress and Firefox at the same time, >> the system becomes unusable. The students are using Firefox to browse >> to sites and get pictures that are put into Impress. This is with 30 >> users using both packages. We use StarOffice 8, not the latest 00.o >> version. Also, beagleindex seems to want to run as well. The net >> effect is that the load average is being pushed past 50 on the >> system. Just guessing, but could this be an issue with the >> pspfontcache or some other similar cached files getting too large? I >> can try most anything to resolve it short of re-installing the OS (not >> till Christmas break). We have ldap with master/slave ldap servers >> (thanks to Matt and David Trask). >> > I would uninstall beagle. Having each user account building indexes of > all the public files on the system could lead to a huge amount of wasted > CPU, disk space, etc... > > Kde has something like this as well on Mandriva. Right after I loaded > Mandriva 2006.0 I uninstalled the desktop search tool on our LTSP server. > > -Joe Baker > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 02:07:57 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 07:37:57 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Impress/Firefox very, very, very slow In-Reply-To: <457624E4.7040309@paasda.org> References: <120520062139.27898.4575E728000359FD00006CFA22165514069C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <4576020A.3080201@dcresearch.com> <457624E4.7040309@paasda.org> Message-ID: <774593a20612051807h2d1459a9h6d8887283b34a82b@mail.gmail.com> On 06/12/06, Huck wrote: > yeah just noticed this beagle thing on k12ltsp 6.0beta7... > > is this really beneficial with an LTSP setup? > IMHO beagle is beneficial but takes way too much over head and so I have been uninstalling beagle. Better still I have been using IceWM since slowly Gnome overheads are also rising. To be sure they are offering much better functionality but on LTSP I would rather have fastest response time coming due to lowest overheads. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 02:13:54 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 07:43:54 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] How many clients on server with one PATA disk? In-Reply-To: <45759E4F.8030600@maltzen.net> References: <45759E4F.8030600@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <774593a20612051813s22f98640v52ba901985f6f21@mail.gmail.com> On 05/12/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > fine. One option we're considering is using a PATA disk. There *used* to be a problem > with PATA/IDE disks if you had more than 10 clients, but that was some years ago, and in > the mean time, IDE disks have gotten faster, bigger caches, and I suspect that the spec > has improved also, such that the 10-client limit may not apply so much any more. So, > I'm wondering how many clients people are able to satisfactorily support on a box with a > single PATA IDE drive (don't worry about the RAM). I would put the limit at 5/6 clients. With IceWM maybe 10. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From mel at melwade.com Wed Dec 6 02:20:16 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:20:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0.0 Release Candidate #1 In-Reply-To: <45762438.1070808@paasda.org> References: <4575C4E0.5070303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45762438.1070808@paasda.org> Message-ID: <43080f460612051820t67f81239t86cbaaff2a70bd94@mail.gmail.com> I just had a similar experience. Checking the Extra box crashed the install. Gnome Mixer was what error on first login. Mel On 12/5/06, Huck wrote: > > Just installed the 64-bit dvd iso yesterday Eric. > > clicking on 'Fedora Extras Repository' during the install process was a > show stopper...crashed the install...reboot required. > > also...after NOT checking that and completing the install... > when logging in for the first time with a user...some error about Gnome > applets I don't have specifics as I'm off site atm...and didn't think to > write down the error msg and bring it with me.. > > The message asks if you want to delete the applet from your > configuration... > > and things SEEM to be running slow with only 6 clients on a gig > uplink...tuxmath..maybe it's just always slow...dunno don't use at the > high school just this new site. > > dual dual-core Xeon 5130's...2.0Ghz...8 gigs of ram... > have not actually had a chance to look into which kernel is being used > and if all 8 gigs of ram are useable atm. > > --Huck > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > I came -> <- this close to releasing BETA7 as the official K12LTSP > > 6.0.0, but my very last QA test found a slight build issue with the > > 64bit ISOs that I wanted to fix. > > > > I get the joy of running through my test cycle again. This takes me a > > day or two, depending on how hectic work is. There is the OSDL Desktop > > conference here in Portland on Thursday and Friday, so if I don't get > > the done by tomorrow, it will be this weekend. > > > > So here we go, K12LTSP 6.0.0 Release Candidate #1. Odds are pretty good > > that this will be the final build.... > > > > -Eric > > > > > > > > RC1 ISO images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, Athlon, etc) > > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ > > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ . > > > > > > RC1 SO images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) > > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ > > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ . > > > > > > > > > > RC1 DVD images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, > > Athlon, etc) > > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ > > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ . > > > > > > RC1 DVD images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) > > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ > > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ . > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Wed Dec 6 02:58:04 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:58:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: OpenOffice Impress Woes - Any Ideas? Message-ID: <20061205215804.tvo5zeoy8cws4cck@neatmail.unh.edu> All, Hello. Recently the computer course in our middle school started working on OpenOffice Impress. All of the presentation portion is working fine, including making outlines, etc. However, as soon as individuals start adding pictures or animations the program just closes. Then when you reopen Impress it tries to recover the file and fails. I haven't seen this happen first hand, but the computer teacher says this is happening. The students are importing only .jpeg (.jpg) format pictures. He also says that the program is not working properly as far as slide change timing and such. The biggest issue right now is Impress closing after students are importing and/or dragging and dropping pictures. Any suggestions on something to test or a solution would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. -Paul PS - We are using Ubuntu 6.06 with LTSP. The computers are thin clients. -- Paul VanGundy Director of Technology Epping School District P: 603.679.8003 x105 F: 603.679.2196 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Dec 6 02:55:31 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:55:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0.0 Release Candidate #1 In-Reply-To: <43080f460612051820t67f81239t86cbaaff2a70bd94@mail.gmail.com> References: <4575C4E0.5070303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45762438.1070808@paasda.org> <43080f460612051820t67f81239t86cbaaff2a70bd94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45763123.2090004@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Mel Wade wrote: > I just had a similar experience. Checking the Extra box crashed the > install. Gnome Mixer was what error on first login. > > Mel > Thanks guys for catching the Gnome Mixer. The fix that was included in K12LTSP 5 needs to be updated for K12LTSP 6. You only see this if you have a server that does not have a sound card (my test server does ;-). I'll look into the "Extras" crash, that would be a general FC6 issue that is unlikely to be specific to K12LTSP. While I'm at it, I can set beagle to be optional and not installed by default. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Dec 6 03:23:23 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 19:23:23 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0.0 Release Candidate #1 In-Reply-To: <45762438.1070808@paasda.org> References: <4575C4E0.5070303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45762438.1070808@paasda.org> Message-ID: <457637AB.3000401@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Huck wrote: > Just installed the 64-bit dvd iso yesterday Eric. > > clicking on 'Fedora Extras Repository' during the install process was a > show stopper...crashed the install...reboot required. > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=212018 I'll incorporate the fix into K12LTSP... Thanks Huck! -Eric From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 04:55:51 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:25:51 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: OpenOffice Impress Woes - Any Ideas? In-Reply-To: <20061205215804.tvo5zeoy8cws4cck@neatmail.unh.edu> References: <20061205215804.tvo5zeoy8cws4cck@neatmail.unh.edu> Message-ID: <774593a20612052055t4c22ab1cqcd0bb49ce806c39c@mail.gmail.com> On 06/12/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > working fine, including making outlines, etc. However, as soon as > individuals start adding pictures or animations the program just > closes. Then when you reopen Impress it tries to recover the file and > fails. The only time I have seen it happen is when large files are dopped in. Maybe it was a memory issue. With LTSP server this should not be an issue. In OO-1.xx there used to be an issue if file is saved and closed from outline view it would not open but with Ubuntu6.06 using OO-2 this is not the issue. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From nelsda at yahoo.com Wed Dec 6 05:23:11 2006 From: nelsda at yahoo.com (David D. Nelson) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:23:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] solved--K12LTSP server won't give non-terminals web access In-Reply-To: <295663.10310.qm@web32613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <970811.78753.qm@web32614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- "David D. Nelson" wrote: > I tried pinging from a windows workstation and was > able to ping using the dns hostname. I even tried a > hostname which I'm shure I have never visited with > that computer and it worked. When I try to browse I > get an "Invalid Request" error and then something > about some aspect of the HTTP request being invalid. > > I have a standard setup of K12LTSP with the LTSP box > connected to the internet on eth1 and the local > network on eth0. The server provides dhcp to the > internal network and routing for any workstations I > hook to the internal network so they have full > access > to the outside world. I want to be able to bring in > a > laptop, forexample, and hook it in, let dhcp assign > the IP and such and let the computer browse the net. > > I followed what Eric suggested below but it still > doesn't work. > > Any other ideas or do you know of a generic set of > config files I could compare mine to? > > Thank you. > > > --- Jack Palmadesso > wrote: > > > try pinging something on the internet via its ip > > address. Then try > > pinging with a dns hostname. If the ip works but > > the name does not > > then your dns settings on the workstations are the > > problem. > > > > On 12/1/06, Jack Palmadesso > > wrote: > > > Check DNS settings on the Workstations > > > > > > On 11/29/06, Eric Harrison > > wrote: > > > > David D. Nelson wrote: > > > > > I was trying to troubleshoot a problem of a > > dropped > > > > > internet connection from my K12LTSP server > so > > I > > > > > temporarally turned off the firewall using > the > > > > > security GUI applet. When I re-enabled the > > firewall I > > > > > lost the ability for workstations (not > > terminals) to > > > > > connect to the internet. When I turn on > squid > > and > > > > > redirect the workstations to use the proxy > > they are > > > > > always denied access. I decided to rebuild > the > > server > > > > > with K12LTSP 6b7 and I find that > workstations > > still > > > > > don't have access to the internet. The > server > > is the > > > > > gateway and dhcp for the network. > > > > > > > > All of the IPTables manipulation specific to > > K12LTSP is setup as > > > > services. There is nat (Network Address > > Translation), iptables-k12ltsp > > > > (permit all traffic on eth0, where the > terminals > > are), and > > > > transparent-proxying (redirect web traffic to > > squid/squidGuard). > > > > > > > > If you have the default setup (terminals on > > eth0, network/internet > > > > access on eth1), you can just make sure that > > these services are enabled > > > > and started. Such as: > > > > > > > > /sbin/chkconfig nat on > > > > /sbin/service nat restart > > > > > > > > /sbin/chkconfig iptables-k12ltsp on > > > > /sbin/service iptables-k12ltsp restart > > > > > > > > /sbin/chkconfig transparent-proxying > on > > > > /sbin/service transparent-proxying > > restart > > > > > > > > > What do I need to change and where do I look > > to change > > > > > it. Also, I need some direction on where I > can > > find a > > > > > relatively simple guide to firewall settings > > and how > > > > > to securely set up a mail server and web > > server on my > > > > > K12LTSP box unless it would be best to > > dedicate > > > > > another computer to the job. No more than 10 > > > > > terminals/workstations are on this network. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The simplest is to use the built-in tool: > > > > > > > > System -> Administration -> Security > > Level and Firewall > > > > > > > > If you reload the firewall, be sure to restart > > nat, iptables-k12ltsp, > > > > and/or transparent-proxying. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Eric > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > David D. Nelson > nelsda at yahoo.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail > beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > David D. Nelson nelsda at yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From nelsda at yahoo.com Wed Dec 6 05:27:56 2006 From: nelsda at yahoo.com (David D. Nelson) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:27:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] solved--K12LTSP server won't give non-terminals web access In-Reply-To: <295663.10310.qm@web32613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <140938.21123.qm@web32601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sorry about the early send. Any way, I think I found out the problem of workstations on my internal network not being able to get access to the internet with a web browser. When I added things like HTTP to the trusted services I could get access. But if I wanted the ports to be invisible to the outside world things wouldn't work. I found while looking at the Linux Firewall module in Webmin that only lo was set to accept any traffic but that eth0 was not. I added a rule to accept any traffic on eth0 and now my internal workstations get through the firewall just fine. Was the K12LTSP rule to accept anything on eth0 supposed to do the same thing? --- "David D. Nelson" wrote: > I tried pinging from a windows workstation and was > able to ping using the dns hostname. I even tried a > hostname which I'm shure I have never visited with > that computer and it worked. When I try to browse I > get an "Invalid Request" error and then something > about some aspect of the HTTP request being invalid. > > I have a standard setup of K12LTSP with the LTSP box > connected to the internet on eth1 and the local > network on eth0. The server provides dhcp to the > internal network and routing for any workstations I > hook to the internal network so they have full > access > to the outside world. I want to be able to bring in > a > laptop, forexample, and hook it in, let dhcp assign > the IP and such and let the computer browse the net. > > I followed what Eric suggested below but it still > doesn't work. > > Any other ideas or do you know of a generic set of > config files I could compare mine to? > > Thank you. > > > --- Jack Palmadesso > wrote: > > > try pinging something on the internet via its ip > > address. Then try > > pinging with a dns hostname. If the ip works but > > the name does not > > then your dns settings on the workstations are the > > problem. > > > > On 12/1/06, Jack Palmadesso > > wrote: > > > Check DNS settings on the Workstations > > > > > > On 11/29/06, Eric Harrison > > wrote: > > > > David D. Nelson wrote: > > > > > I was trying to troubleshoot a problem of a > > dropped > > > > > internet connection from my K12LTSP server > so > > I > > > > > temporarally turned off the firewall using > the > > > > > security GUI applet. When I re-enabled the > > firewall I > > > > > lost the ability for workstations (not > > terminals) to > > > > > connect to the internet. When I turn on > squid > > and > > > > > redirect the workstations to use the proxy > > they are > > > > > always denied access. I decided to rebuild > the > > server > > > > > with K12LTSP 6b7 and I find that > workstations > > still > > > > > don't have access to the internet. The > server > > is the > > > > > gateway and dhcp for the network. > > > > > > > > All of the IPTables manipulation specific to > > K12LTSP is setup as > > > > services. There is nat (Network Address > > Translation), iptables-k12ltsp > > > > (permit all traffic on eth0, where the > terminals > > are), and > > > > transparent-proxying (redirect web traffic to > > squid/squidGuard). > > > > > > > > If you have the default setup (terminals on > > eth0, network/internet > > > > access on eth1), you can just make sure that > > these services are enabled > > > > and started. Such as: > > > > > > > > /sbin/chkconfig nat on > > > > /sbin/service nat restart > > > > > > > > /sbin/chkconfig iptables-k12ltsp on > > > > /sbin/service iptables-k12ltsp restart > > > > > > > > /sbin/chkconfig transparent-proxying > on > > > > /sbin/service transparent-proxying > > restart > > > > > > > > > What do I need to change and where do I look > > to change > > > > > it. Also, I need some direction on where I > can > > find a > > > > > relatively simple guide to firewall settings > > and how > > > > > to securely set up a mail server and web > > server on my > > > > > K12LTSP box unless it would be best to > > dedicate > > > > > another computer to the job. No more than 10 > > > > > terminals/workstations are on this network. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The simplest is to use the built-in tool: > > > > > > > > System -> Administration -> Security > > Level and Firewall > > > > > > > > If you reload the firewall, be sure to restart > > nat, iptables-k12ltsp, > > > > and/or transparent-proxying. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Eric > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > David D. Nelson > nelsda at yahoo.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail > beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > David D. Nelson nelsda at yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Dec 6 05:27:10 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:27:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] solved--K12LTSP server won't give non-terminals web access In-Reply-To: <140938.21123.qm@web32601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <140938.21123.qm@web32601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <457654AE.4050704@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> David D. Nelson wrote: > Sorry about the early send. > > Any way, I think I found out the problem of > workstations on my internal network not being able to > get access to the internet with a web browser. When I > added things like HTTP to the trusted services I could > get access. But if I wanted the ports to be invisible > to the outside world things wouldn't work. I found > while looking at the Linux Firewall module in Webmin > that only lo was set to accept any traffic but that > eth0 was not. I added a rule to accept any traffic on > eth0 and now my internal workstations get through the > firewall just fine. Was the K12LTSP rule to accept > anything on eth0 supposed to do the same thing? > > Yes, the K12LTSP rule should have done the same thing. Perhaps webmin does this in an incompatible way - I'll test it when I get the chance. -Eric From nelsda at yahoo.com Wed Dec 6 05:46:50 2006 From: nelsda at yahoo.com (David D. Nelson) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:46:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] solved--K12LTSP server won't give non-terminals web access In-Reply-To: <457654AE.4050704@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20061206054650.10481.qmail@web32610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Eric Harrison wrote: > David D. Nelson wrote: > > Sorry about the early send. > > > > Any way, I think I found out the problem of > > workstations on my internal network not being able > to > > get access to the internet with a web browser. > When I > > added things like HTTP to the trusted services I > could > > get access. But if I wanted the ports to be > invisible > > to the outside world things wouldn't work. I found > > while looking at the Linux Firewall module in > Webmin > > that only lo was set to accept any traffic but > that > > eth0 was not. I added a rule to accept any traffic > on > > eth0 and now my internal workstations get through > the > > firewall just fine. Was the K12LTSP rule to accept > > anything on eth0 supposed to do the same thing? > > > > > > Yes, the K12LTSP rule should have done the same > thing. Perhaps webmin > does this in an incompatible way - I'll test it when > I get the chance. > > -Eric I did a clean install with beta 7 and added http and https as trusted services during install. When I tried to use a page needing port 2082 the page would time out. I either had to manually add port 2082 in the Security level and firewall application or go into webmin and add the eth0 rule. I couldn't remember where/how to add it directly to the config file. BTW, should I plan on a reinstall when K12LTSP 6 final is out or is yum update enough to do it? David D. Nelson nelsda at yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From dahopkins at comcast.net Wed Dec 6 11:27:51 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:27:51 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox hainging for some users Message-ID: <120620061127.26908.4576A9370001CEE90000691C22165579969C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Another issue has now come up. aaarrgghhh!!! Some users, at random it seems, are being locked out of using firefox. They get a message that firefox is in use. This has been very sporadic (just a few users) for about 3 weeks, but recently is getting worse. Simply deleting .mozilla in their home directory allows firefox to start again. So ... it is probably a lock on some file, but which one? Better yet, would upgrading to 2.0 fix this without breaking something else? And ... random thought, could it be beagleindex grabbing the cache files or something? The users do not show firefox running for them. I have the purge_user option set, so logging on/off should kill any processes as well. Anyhow, the tech teacher is now officially at wits end, as is this volunteer :) Sorry for the problem, just aren't enough hours in my day at present to handle everything it seems. Sincerely, Dave ... From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Wed Dec 6 12:36:33 2006 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 07:36:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hello In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200612060736.33351.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Tuesday 05 December 2006 5:39 pm, Henry Schaechterle wrote: > I've just joined this email list and thought I should do a quick intro. > After about 20yrs in hi-tek (16 at Intel R+D --- Desktop R+D) I decided it > was time to bail out of my cube and do something else. I'm now starting my > 3rd month at Sunset High School in the Beaverton School District located > in Beaverton Oregon. I came in as an Instructional Assistant (primarily to > provide tech support) - but after 2 months they moved me into the Tech > Facilitator role as that person was moving into a Dept. chair role. > > Any way I'm having a lot of fun doing basic support (we're 85% Macs - rest > are PCs) - learning the ropes on how they network and other processes - > and doing a lot of organization etc. While I was doing engineering level > work at Intel - that is so different from handling support and network > activities ---- as I'm sure you all know. > > As to my Linux experience - I've been installing and playing around with > SUSE - Mandriva - Ubuntu - and Fedora Core 6 over the past 6 months at > home. Just loading and testing the desktop environments --- I have a bit > of a grasp of the basics -- but I am not a hard-core terminal guy or > system hack. > > My goal here is to build a digital media server using Linux - digital > media server is probably not the correct term, but the primary use of this > server will be for students learning digital photography - digital video - > and to support our school year book production and publishing. So it will > be storing and serving a lot of digital media. > > I've already down loaded and imaged onto CDROMs K12 LTSP 5.0. And step one > is to load that onto a test box here and play with the server side of > things - maybe build a small test network with a PC and a Mac on it. > > The larger plan is to build the actual server in January and slowly take > it on-line slowly adding classes and students. I'll certainly be looking > for any input on how to build the server. > > Well so much for my "short" intro - I thank you for all your help in > advance > > > Henry Schaechterle > Tech Facilitator > Sunset High School > 503 259-5050 > x2410 You might want to check out the new 64Studio distribution, which is billed as "a specialist distribution with a collection of software for digital content creation". There's information available on it at distrowatch.com. Best of luck on your new position and your project. Dimitri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From ericbrow at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 12:44:36 2006 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 06:44:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox hainging for some users In-Reply-To: <120620061127.26908.4576A9370001CEE90000691C22165579969C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <120620061127.26908.4576A9370001CEE90000691C22165579969C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: I don't think I'm much help here, but I'll share my expirence. I was having the same problems. When I did, I would ssh into the server, and killed any Firefox processes the student had, then had them try again. One student found that logging out, then back in would correct the problem. Eventually, I decided to keep updating until I could no longer. After the updates, I also restarted the server (my first and only restart of the school year). I no longer have this issue with firefox. Hope this helps. Eric On 12/6/06, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Another issue has now come up. aaarrgghhh!!! Some users, at random it seems, are being locked out of using firefox. They get a message that firefox is in use. This has been very sporadic (just a few users) for about 3 weeks, but recently is getting worse. Simply deleting .mozilla in their home directory allows firefox to start again. So ... it is probably a lock on some file, but which one? Better yet, would upgrading to 2.0 fix this without breaking something else? And ... random thought, could it be beagleindex grabbing the cache files or something? The users do not show firefox running for them. I have the purge_user option set, so logging on/off should kill any processes as well. Anyhow, the tech teacher is now officially at wits end, as is this volunteer :) Sorry for the problem, just aren't enough hours in my day at present to handle everything it seems. > > Sincerely, > Dave ... > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Wed Dec 6 13:12:33 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 07:12:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re:Firefox hainging for some users Message-ID: <57861.172.28.8.55.1165410753.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hi Dave, This is not an automagic fix, but, you can do in a terminal "top". Look for the username that Firefox is hangin for,in the process list[firefox-bin]. then see process number, then in a terminal do " kill -9 ". This will kill ONE running instance of Firefox for that user,,,or,, open techertool > highlight username >View> Then stop Firefox-bin for that user. Either way its a lot of leg work for you ,with many users hanging on Firefox.. Dont know of an automated way of doing this. This will at least let Firefox work again for them without rebooting the server and then really catching all sorts of guff:).. Hope this helps. Barry Cisna westcentral school From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Wed Dec 6 13:45:07 2006 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:45:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NTP Sync Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D784207ABE30@hhpmail.media.local> Mel, I've had similar issues under VMware (ESX). First thing, disable NTP. Make sure you have VMware tools installed under Linux (we are going to use it's time sync abilities). You can either use the GUI part of the tools (ssh -X root at servername) so you can run it on your display, or just set tools.syncTime = "TRUE" in the config file for your virtual machine (.vmx) I also would add clock=pit to the kernel parameters in /boot/grub/grub.conf (we want a basic clock that doesn't try to overcompensate for the loss of ticks). Finally, reboot and then we should get the system and hardware clock's synced. date -s "-1 hour" will drop the clock back an hour.... date -s "-15 minutes" will drop the clock back 15 minutes.... (I'm not that good w/ the date command)..... but get your server's date clock in sync with whatever time you want... Then run hwclock --systohc (which will sync the linux clock w/ the vm hardware clock). You should be fine now. Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org ---Original Message--------- Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 10:54:04 -0800 From: "Mel Wade" Subject: [K12OSN] NTP Sync To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Message-ID: <43080f460612051054o5abc4df9y99fc0c83d32d6236 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I'm running K12LSTP 6 on a VMware virutal server. My time sync is WAY off when syncing to a Win DC or an external time server. I seem to running at about 1/2 speed. Any help would be appreciated. [root at library ~]# ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter ======================================================================== ====== 10.0.4.2 131.216.1.101 3 u 27 64 7 0.915 65231.3 64643.2 10.0.4.3 10.0.4.2 4 u 25 64 7 1.974 1032.70 47072.2 This is after about 1 sec: [root at library ~]# ntpdate -u 10.0.4.2 5 Dec 10:53:24 ntpdate[23938]: adjust time server 10.0.4.2 offset 0.495167 sec -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 14:12:05 2006 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 07:12:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Open source sign software like omnivex Message-ID: <8b88203f0612060612w529a6e30o4d26dd637d82bd78@mail.gmail.com> My VP has just asked me if I can run a new 42 inch lcd as an information billboard, sign, and movie/music system. He has one quote for Omnivex at $4000.00. There must be something I could use that would be open source... Any ideas? Thanks, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Wed Dec 6 14:22:17 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 08:22:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Open source sign software like omnivex In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0612060612w529a6e30o4d26dd637d82bd78@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0612060612w529a6e30o4d26dd637d82bd78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4576D219.8080900@maltzen.net> For the information billboard part, you could create an OOo Impress slideshow and just have it loop continuously. Petre Jim Christiansen wrote: > My VP has just asked me if I can run a new 42 inch lcd as an information > billboard, sign, and movie/music system. He has one quote for Omnivex > at $4000.00. There must be something I could use that would be open > source... > > Any ideas? Thanks, Jim > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Dec 6 16:08:03 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 08:08:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Hello In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4576EAE3.1010909@mesd.k12.or.us> Henry Schaechterle wrote: > I've just joined this email list and thought I should do a quick > intro. Welcome! > My goal here is to build a digital media server using Linux - digital > media server is probably not the correct term, but the primary use of > this server will be for students learning digital photography - digital > video - and to support our school year book production and publishing. > So it will be storing and serving a lot of digital media. Here's a link to some digital photography lessons incorporating the GIMP that Paul Nelson developed: http://oregonphotoblog.org/gimp/ The picture is a little less rosy for digital video, but I don't have much experience in that arena. Pitivi is showing some promise as a non-linear video editor. If you're just serving up files to Windows/Mac clients, you should be in good shape using Samba and Netatalk. > Well so much for my "short" intro - I thank you for all your help in advance Again, welcome. Best of luck with your testing. Be sure to ask questions here as they come up. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From lists.john at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 16:12:56 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:12:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: OpenOffice Impress Woes - Any Ideas? In-Reply-To: <774593a20612052055t4c22ab1cqcd0bb49ce806c39c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061205215804.tvo5zeoy8cws4cck@neatmail.unh.edu> <774593a20612052055t4c22ab1cqcd0bb49ce806c39c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50612060812r38ec7894p1e576e87fcb6c9e2@mail.gmail.com> If the kids are trying to add pictures directly from the internet, try having them save them to the desktop first, and THEN dragging them into OO. John On 12/5/06, Sudev Barar wrote: > > On 06/12/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > working fine, including making outlines, etc. However, as soon as > > individuals start adding pictures or animations the program just > > closes. Then when you reopen Impress it tries to recover the file and > > fails. > > The only time I have seen it happen is when large files are dopped in. > Maybe it was a memory issue. With LTSP server this should not be an > issue. > > In OO-1.xx there used to be an issue if file is saved and closed from > outline view it would not open but with Ubuntu6.06 using OO-2 this is > not the issue. > > -- > Regards, > Sudev Barar > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Wed Dec 6 16:28:00 2006 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:28:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Kiosk info Message-ID: <200612061028.00474.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Hello all, I want to set up a couple of thin clients to auto login and run the browser to display the card catalog and thats it. I've seen links on setting up a Kiosk but I need one more piece of the puzzle. When I set a terminal to auto login how do I get it to run a program such as Firefox automatically (assuming gnome)? Thanks, Ray From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Wed Dec 6 16:30:42 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:30:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: OpenOffice Impress Woes - Any Ideas? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50612060812r38ec7894p1e576e87fcb6c9e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061205215804.tvo5zeoy8cws4cck@neatmail.unh.edu> <774593a20612052055t4c22ab1cqcd0bb49ce806c39c@mail.gmail.com> <2be970b50612060812r38ec7894p1e576e87fcb6c9e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061206113042.7om337lcowoow0ss@neatmail.unh.edu> John, Thanks for the idea. They are saving to the desktop first. Very odd situtation...Any more ideas? :) -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Director of Technology Epping School District P: 603.679.8003 x105 F: 603.679.2196 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Quoting john : > If the kids are trying to add pictures directly from the internet, try > having them save them to the desktop first, and THEN dragging them into OO. > > John > > On 12/5/06, Sudev Barar wrote: >> >> On 06/12/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: >> > working fine, including making outlines, etc. However, as soon as >> > individuals start adding pictures or animations the program just >> > closes. Then when you reopen Impress it tries to recover the file and >> > fails. >> >> The only time I have seen it happen is when large files are dopped in. >> Maybe it was a memory issue. With LTSP server this should not be an >> issue. >> >> In OO-1.xx there used to be an issue if file is saved and closed from >> outline view it would not open but with Ubuntu6.06 using OO-2 this is >> not the issue. >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Sudev Barar >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Dec 6 16:31:41 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 08:31:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Kiosk info In-Reply-To: <200612061028.00474.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> References: <200612061028.00474.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <4576F06D.6030904@mesd.k12.or.us> Ray Garza wrote: > When I set a terminal to auto login how do I get it to run a program such as > Firefox automatically (assuming gnome)? System menu Preferences More Preferences Sessions Startup Programs tab Add /usr/bin/firefox -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Dec 6 16:35:59 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:35:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Hello In-Reply-To: <200612060736.33351.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <200612060736.33351.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <20061206163010.M17851@winonacotter.org> > You might want to check out the new 64Studio distribution, which is > billed as "a specialist distribution with a collection of software > for digital content creation". There's information available on it > at distrowatch.com. > > Best of luck on your new position and your project. I just read on linuxaudio.org yesterday that 64Studio will be joining forces with mUbuntu and starting Ubuntu Studio http://www.ubuntustudio.com. I would follow that closely, if it is anything like the other ubuntu distros, it should be awesome. We have a digital video/graphic arts program at our school, and this really grabbed my attention. For OSX and Windows clients, you'll be more than happy with any Linux distro as the server and using SMB. However, there seems to be a bug with "Drop" folders using smb in OSX. Folders with no read and only write privileges do not work right. So you will still have to us netatalk for that. I would recommend Fedora, most of the newer kernels do not have appletalk compiled into the kernel. Fedora makes it easy to install kernel-unsupported and make appletalk work. Hope that helps. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Dec 6 16:57:51 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 08:57:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] solved--K12LTSP server won't give non-terminals web access In-Reply-To: <20061206054650.10481.qmail@web32610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061206054650.10481.qmail@web32610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4576F68F.5030904@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> David D. Nelson wrote: > BTW, should I plan on a reinstall when K12LTSP 6 final > is out or is yum update enough to do it? "yum update". Definitely do not need to reinstall. -Eric From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Wed Dec 6 16:59:57 2006 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:59:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Kiosk info In-Reply-To: <4576F06D.6030904@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <200612061028.00474.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> <4576F06D.6030904@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200612061059.57358.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Thanks Dan. That was easy enough. On Wednesday 06 December 2006 10:31, Dan Young wrote: > Ray Garza wrote: > > When I set a terminal to auto login how do I get it to run a program such > > as Firefox automatically (assuming gnome)? > > System menu > Preferences > More Preferences > Sessions > Startup Programs tab > Add > /usr/bin/firefox From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Dec 6 17:07:02 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:07:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Hello In-Reply-To: <20061206163010.M17851@winonacotter.org> References: <200612060736.33351.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <20061206163010.M17851@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4576F8B6.2030900@mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > For OSX and Windows clients, you'll be more than happy with any Linux distro > as the server and using SMB. However, there seems to be a bug with "Drop" > folders using smb in OSX. Folders with no read and only write privileges do > not work right. So you will still have to us netatalk for that. I would > recommend Fedora, most of the newer kernels do not have appletalk compiled > into the kernel. Fedora makes it easy to install kernel-unsupported and make > appletalk work. The appletalk module is present in the Fedora kernel. [dyoung at dyoung ~]$ find /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ -name appletalk.ko /lib/modules/2.6.18-1.2849.fc6/kernel/net/appletalk/appletalk.ko I think you're thinking of the CentOS kernel, regarding kernel-unsupported. Plus, you might not even need that. AFP (Apple Filing Protocol?) works fine over IP network w/o Appletalk, you just lose the Appletalk browsing (i.e. service discovery). If you use afp://server/share URLs on the clients, it works just fine using the stock kernel on the server. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Filing_Protocol -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From mel at melwade.com Wed Dec 6 17:15:31 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:15:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] YUM install from CD Message-ID: <43080f460612060915l4d596e06pac3bc8309076f06d@mail.gmail.com> Is there a way to set the Add/Remove Software to look on the CD first before going to the internet for installation of new features? -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From caldodge at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 17:29:20 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:29:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] YUM install from CD In-Reply-To: <43080f460612060915l4d596e06pac3bc8309076f06d@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460612060915l4d596e06pac3bc8309076f06d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0612060929y7270f754ga90ad96f00c487d5@mail.gmail.com> On 12/6/06, Mel Wade wrote: > Is there a way to set the Add/Remove Software to look on the CD first > before going to the internet for installation of new features? I don't know. I _did_ think of another way to do the same thing, though. I set up the DVD iso image to be automounted on boot-up, then created symbolic links to all of its rpms in /var/cache/yum/core/packages/ Details available if you want to go this route. Calvin From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Dec 6 17:34:29 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:34:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox hainging for some users In-Reply-To: <120620061127.26908.4576A9370001CEE90000691C22165579969C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <120620061127.26908.4576A9370001CEE90000691C22165579969C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4576FF25.7050804@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Another issue has now come up. aaarrgghhh!!! Some users, at random > it seems, are being locked out of using firefox. They get a message > that firefox is in use. This has been very sporadic (just a few > users) for about 3 weeks, but recently is getting worse. Simply > deleting .mozilla in their home directory allows firefox to start > again. So ... it is probably a lock on some file, but which one? > Better yet, would upgrading to 2.0 fix this without breaking > something else? And ... random thought, could it be beagleindex > grabbing the cache files or something? The users do not show firefox > running for them. I have the purge_user option set, so logging > on/off should kill any processes as well. Anyhow, the tech teacher > is now officially at wits end, as is this volunteer :) Sorry for > the problem, just aren't enough hours in my day at present to handle > everything it seems. > > Sincerely, Dave ... > I'll think through an automated solution, but in the meantime here is a manual one.... If the user's firefox process dies a sudden death, it can leave a stale lock file around. If the user has no running firefox-bin processes (I'm pretty sure "pkill -u firefox-bin" would do the trick), you can safely remove the lock file: rm ~username/.mozilla/firefox/*/lock -Eric From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Dec 6 17:57:37 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:57:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0.0 Release Candidate #1 In-Reply-To: <457637AB.3000401@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4575C4E0.5070303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45762438.1070808@paasda.org> <457637AB.3000401@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <45770491.5000707@paasda.org> nono, thank YOU! This stuff just rocks and the juicy factor I can't even begin to explain to people... Just had a credit union willing to donate like 30 machines...P3 and better...but were "sorry" to inform me they would have to remove all of the hard drives ;) I was kind of elated. BTW on the Beagle side of things...is there a way this can only be run for ROOT user or my admin user and not for every user on the system? --Huck Eric Harrison wrote: > Huck wrote: >> Just installed the 64-bit dvd iso yesterday Eric. >> >> clicking on 'Fedora Extras Repository' during the install process was >> a show stopper...crashed the install...reboot required. >> > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=212018 > > > I'll incorporate the fix into K12LTSP... > > > Thanks Huck! > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Dec 6 18:00:27 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:00:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Impress/Firefox very, very, very slow In-Reply-To: <774593a20612051807h2d1459a9h6d8887283b34a82b@mail.gmail.com> References: <120520062139.27898.4575E728000359FD00006CFA22165514069C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <4576020A.3080201@dcresearch.com> <457624E4.7040309@paasda.org> <774593a20612051807h2d1459a9h6d8887283b34a82b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4577053B.3080307@paasda.org> the IceWM installed default on Beta7 of 6.0 had only the open office apps in the menu...the gnome menu was empty and there was no 'start here' on the desktop like older versions had. Intentional? perhaps that just means Huck gets to funkify the menu manually ;) --Huck Sudev Barar wrote: > On 06/12/06, Huck wrote: >> yeah just noticed this beagle thing on k12ltsp 6.0beta7... >> >> is this really beneficial with an LTSP setup? >> > > IMHO beagle is beneficial but takes way too much over head and so I > have been uninstalling beagle. Better still I have been using IceWM > since slowly Gnome overheads are also rising. To be sure they are > offering much better functionality but on LTSP I would rather have > fastest response time coming due to lowest overheads. > From fhkms at adelphia.net Wed Dec 6 18:44:31 2006 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (fhkms at adelphia.net) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:44:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] floppy madness Message-ID: <32492083.1165430671286.JavaMail.root@web24> Hi folks, I have about 18 thin clients around our small school, and am using the latest stable version of k12ltsp. When students put their floppy disk in a work station, an icon appears on the desktop of every open session. This is very confusing when there are several students using computers at the same time; 10+ icons on desktops that say "floppy". How do I fix this, or eliminate it all together? Thanks! Will From twolfe at sawback.com Wed Dec 6 18:56:58 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:56:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] floppy madness In-Reply-To: <32492083.1165430671286.JavaMail.root@web24> References: <32492083.1165430671286.JavaMail.root@web24> Message-ID: other than not use floppies...:)? Tom On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 fhkms at adelphia.net wrote: > Hi folks, > > I have about 18 thin clients around our small school, and am using the latest stable version of k12ltsp. When students put their floppy disk in a work station, an icon appears on the desktop of every open session. This is very confusing when there are several students using computers at the same time; 10+ icons on desktops that say "floppy". How do I fix this, or eliminate it all together? Thanks! > > Will > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Dec 6 21:08:22 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:08:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0.0 Release Candidate #1 In-Reply-To: <45762438.1070808@paasda.org> References: <4575C4E0.5070303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45762438.1070808@paasda.org> Message-ID: <45773146.90301@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Huck wrote: > Just installed the 64-bit dvd iso yesterday Eric. > > clicking on 'Fedora Extras Repository' during the install process was a > show stopper...crashed the install...reboot required. Verified that the fix for this works. > also...after NOT checking that and completing the install... > when logging in for the first time with a user...some error about Gnome > applets I don't have specifics as I'm off site atm...and didn't think to > write down the error msg and bring it with me.. I'm not getting this error with all of the latest updates applied. I did see this the last time I tested it, I'm not sure if it is fixed by the updates or that I am just testing it differently. Can you double-check that you have all of the latest updates ("yum update" will do the trick) and see if the error goes away? -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Dec 6 22:25:33 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 14:25:33 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0.0 Release Candidate #1 In-Reply-To: <45773146.90301@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4575C4E0.5070303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45762438.1070808@paasda.org> <45773146.90301@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4577435D.6050902@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > Huck wrote: >> also...after NOT checking that and completing the install... >> when logging in for the first time with a user...some error about Gnome >> applets I don't have specifics as I'm off site atm...and didn't think to >> write down the error msg and bring it with me.. > > I'm not getting this error with all of the latest updates applied. I did > see this the last time I tested it, I'm not sure if it is fixed by the > updates or that I am just testing it differently. > > Can you double-check that you have all of the latest updates ("yum > update" will do the trick) and see if the error goes away? Problem occurs even with the latest-n-greatest patches. It appears to only do it the first time a user logs in. Even after a reboot, the error message does not pop up. If I create a new account, the first time the user logs in they get the error message. -Eric From mel at melwade.com Wed Dec 6 23:32:52 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:32:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0.0 Release Candidate #1 In-Reply-To: <4577435D.6050902@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4575C4E0.5070303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45762438.1070808@paasda.org> <45773146.90301@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4577435D.6050902@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43080f460612061532v7ff36ca8r32e398b9e1eff2b3@mail.gmail.com> > It appears to only do it the first time a user logs in. Even after a > reboot, the error message does not pop up. > > If I create a new account, the first time the user logs in they get the > error message. That is my experience as well. -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Dec 6 23:35:39 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:35:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Impress/Firefox very, very, very slow In-Reply-To: <120520062225.29771.4575F1CD000380040000744B22165514069C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <120520062225.29771.4575F1CD000380040000744B22165514069C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6A9274C0-A569-4CE6-9181-CCEA1FDC43FF@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Did you see the thread on hear about impress? I'm tempted to think that impress is the problem based on that thread. I think that impress is less mature than the rest of the suite. On Dec 5, 2006, at 4:25 PM, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Ver 1.5. The Tech Teacher is very leary of upgrading to 2.0 and > having anything 'break' once the school year starts. But ... with > the current issues, maybe that would be an option. > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Burke Almquist >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Are you using firefox 1.5 or 2.0? >> >> On Dec 5, 2006, at 4:08 PM, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: >> >>> Top shows impress and firefox taking most of the cpu on the system >>> (with beagleindex intermingled as well at times). The system is >>> dual 2.4Gz Hyperthreaded Xeon with 4Gb memory, Ultra320 18Gb >>> drives. Fedora core 4 (k12ltsp 4) ran very well, but ... upgraded >>> at start of year and have had issues off-and-on ever since. Issues >>> only show up under load (more than 5 users) >>> >>> I am downloading patches for SO8 and will apply them as well (340Mb >>> download) >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Dave Hopkins >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkV18DIACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRWVwCff1miNMIHVNRAa6rAdaM6hVPs >> E0wAn3eQx0KwelJlg+Yo6HY7nP7M30er >> =6qcW >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkV3U8sACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRD/gCfbgoq4nlvWjFFsTz8WfiFNBwu gz0Ani2CySAlnHvLIFkvl325zUZxngYY =XXw4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com Thu Dec 7 01:56:28 2006 From: nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com (Nick Fenger) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:56:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] MS box can't locate samba-ldap domain - dns issue? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061207015628.43056.qmail@web60721.mail.yahoo.com> I just moved dhcp services for our main network to a fedora box running dhcp (our Actiontec DSL modem used to do it). When I did this my single Microsoft machine (win2k) that students used to print to our konica copier* ( with their samba/ldap authenticated logins) stopped letting them login. When I attempt to join my domain with the MS machine, the domain cannot be located. It says I have a DNS problem. I have been reading up on that actiontec and it seems that it did some DNS work. I have been very successful up to this point keeping my 4 K12LTSP servers and 1 samba/ldap PDC running with a total of 40 clients without having a solid understanding of linux microsoft/networking. Can anyone direct me to a tutorial/reading/resource that will help a newbie at this get it working? *if you have any ideas about printing to PCL5/6 printers/copiers from linux that would great too.. our linux machines lock up the copier's print controller when they print directly to the copier. Thanks, Nick Fenger Technology Coordinator/ Technology Teacher Trillium Charter School, Portland, OR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steven at simplycircus.com Thu Dec 7 03:04:22 2006 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 22:04:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MS box can't locate samba-ldap domain - dns issue? In-Reply-To: <20061207015628.43056.qmail@web60721.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Most Konica/Minolta copier/printers support PostScript printing. If you give me the model number of the printer, I can likely find the details you need. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: PO BOX 620753 Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 781-799-4938 eFax: 309-214-0899 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Nick Fenger Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 8:56 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] MS box can't locate samba-ldap domain - dns issue? I just moved dhcp services for our main network to a fedora box running dhcp (our Actiontec DSL modem used to do it). When I did this my single Microsoft machine (win2k) that students used to print to our konica copier* ( with their samba/ldap authenticated logins) stopped letting them login. When I attempt to join my domain with the MS machine, the domain cannot be located. It says I have a DNS problem. I have been reading up on that actiontec and it seems that it did some DNS work. I have been very successful up to this point keeping my 4 K12LTSP servers and 1 samba/ldap PDC running with a total of 40 clients without having a solid understanding of linux microsoft/networking. Can anyone direct me to a tutorial/reading/resource that will help a newbie at this get it working? *if you have any ideas about printing to PCL5/6 printers/copiers from linux that would great too.. our linux machines lock up the copier's print controller when they print directly to the copier. Thanks, Nick Fenger Technology Coordinator/ Technology Teacher Trillium Charter School, Portland, OR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at melwade.com Thu Dec 7 03:17:58 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 19:17:58 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] wbinfo vs. getent Message-ID: <43080f460612061917y49c17c33kdf4e1000c75ded5b@mail.gmail.com> I'm still working on my AD integration. When I do: wbinfo -u I get all the users on the domain, but when I do: getent passwd I only get local users. I can't login using the domain accounts. Any help would be appreciated. I've double check the instructions. I can get a ticket with kinit. Below are config files: -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com smb.conf workgroup = UCA1 server string = Library LTSP security = ads load printers = yes cups options = raw log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log max log size = 50 password server = student1.UCA1.LOCAL realm = UCA1.LOCAL template homedir = /home/%D/%U idmap uid = 10000-20000 idmap gid = 10000-20000 template shell = /bin/bash winbind use default domain = yes [homes] comment = Home Directories browseable = no writable = yes * * * * * krb5.conf [logging] default = FILE:/var/log/krb5libs.log kdc = FILE:/var/log/krb5kdc.log admin_server = FILE:/var/log/kadmind.log [libdefaults] default_realm = UCA1.LOCAL # dns_lookup_realm = false # dns_lookup_kdc = false ticket_lifetime = 24h clock_skew=300 forwardable = yes [realms] UCA1.LCOAL = { kdc = student1.UCA1.LOCAL:88 admin_server = student1.UCA1.LOCAL:464 default_domain = UCA1.LOCAL } [domain_realm] uca1.local = UCA1.LOCAL .uca1.local = UCA1.LOCAL [appdefaults] pam = { debug = false ticket_lifetime = 36000 renew_lifetime = 36000 forwardable = true krb4_convert = false } From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Thu Dec 7 04:58:50 2006 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:58:50 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and PXE with two different Class of IP address Message-ID: <1165467531.5355.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey folks, I know this little chestnut has been chewed over many times on this list. I don't remember my situation coming up. So first I'll describe the environment. ======================= The current environment ======================= An MS Network with AD, terminal server and MS DHCP server with CLASS B IP address scheme. They want to revitalise their old Win 9x / NT machines and are investigating using K12LTSP or locally installed Linux. They have a lot of old classic to PII Pentiums which are gathering dust. One option is to boot the LTSP terminals in kiosk mode to access their Windows Terminal server using the RDP client included. The other option is to install a lightweight Linux distro (Puppy or DSL) on all the machines and use the RDP client that way. They don't want to change their existing infrastructure if at all possible. Even making changes to their DHCP server is considered risky by the network admin. ANY adverse impact on their existing system is unacceptable. The network admin uses Ubuntu at home, but has been unable to get any Linux computer to authenticate to the AD at work. For that reason he only sees limited potential for Linux / OSS in their current environment. Users will authenticate to their AD through Windows terminal sessions. Later on they may enable access to the Linux desktop and apps. ======================= My Question ======================= Given that the current DHCP server issues Class B addresses. Can the K12LTSP DHCP server, which issues Class C addresses - co-exist on the same physical media - handle PXE requests from the old hardware, - and not interfere with their current setup? If so what changes (if any) need to be made - on the MS DHCP server, - their current setup - the K12LTSP server Thanks, Bert From mel at melwade.com Thu Dec 7 07:03:17 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:03:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Session Reset Message-ID: <43080f460612062303x5d692a96ub79746fa9236efeb@mail.gmail.com> Every time a client logs off the console resets a its session and starts a new one. Pretty frustrating. -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Dec 7 14:12:47 2006 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 09:12:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing issues for Windows Users -> Thin-client Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D784207ABE3C@hhpmail.media.local> Dan, That line is commented out in cupsd.conf Henry -----Original Message---- Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 10:32:37 -0800 From: Dan Young Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Printing issues for Windows Users -> Thin-client network printers To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Message-ID: <457469C5.2080008 at mesd.k12.or.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Henry Burroughs wrote: > I've rolled out MS Terminal Services for a few staff (that use > Blackbaud's Education Edge), and I am seeing large documents (30+ pages > w/ images, and large pdf files) disappear between the print server > (k12ltsp server) and the printer itself. Printing it in smaller chunks > works. The Terminal Server uses the Windows drivers (specific to the > printer) and uses the Samba share ( cups options = raw) Any thoughts? Do you have MaxRequestSize set in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Dec 7 15:18:53 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:18:53 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re:Firefox hainging for some users Message-ID: <120720061518.13413.457830DD0001B45E0000346522165579969C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Sorry for the late response, but the issue is that firefox will not launch saying that an instance is already running, but ... there are no instances of firefox running on the server at all, for any user. (at least using ps -eax | grep firefox to locate instances). The tech teacher has agreed to try upgrading to firefox 2.0 tomorrow afternoon for her last twoclasses of the day (I can do the upgrade during lunch period, I hope). That said, I guess I will need to download an rpm or add a repository since yum isn't showing an upgrade to 2.0 as an option. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins -------------- Original message -------------- From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us > Hi Dave, > > This is not an automagic fix, but, you can do in a terminal "top". > Look for the username that Firefox is hangin for,in the process > list[firefox-bin]. then see process number, then in a terminal do > " kill -9 ". > This will kill ONE running instance of Firefox for that user,,,or,, open > techertool > highlight username >View> Then stop Firefox-bin for that > user. Either way its a lot of leg work for you ,with many users hanging > on Firefox.. Dont know of an automated way of doing this. > This will at least let Firefox work again for them without rebooting the > server and then really catching all sorts of guff:).. > > Hope this helps. > > Barry Cisna > westcentral school > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Dec 7 15:22:51 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:22:51 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox hainging for some users Message-ID: <120720061522.21218.457831CB0001B75E000052E222165579969C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Eric, Thanks! Just one question. The "*", what happens if they have more than one directory under .mozilla/firefox? A couple of students do (don't know why/how, but ..). I guess I could create a simple for loop and then loop over the subdirectories of ~username/.mozilla/firefox and just remove any lock files. I will let the tech teacher know and see if this solves it. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins -------------- Original message -------------- From: Eric Harrison > dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > Another issue has now come up. aaarrgghhh!!! Some users, at random > > it seems, are being locked out of using firefox. They get a message > > that firefox is in use. This has been very sporadic (just a few > > users) for about 3 weeks, but recently is getting worse. Simply > > deleting .mozilla in their home directory allows firefox to start > > again. So ... it is probably a lock on some file, but which one? > > Better yet, would upgrading to 2.0 fix this without breaking > > something else? And ... random thought, could it be beagleindex > > grabbing the cache files or something? The users do not show firefox > > running for them. I have the purge_user option set, so logging > > on/off should kill any processes as well. Anyhow, the tech teacher > > is now officially at wits end, as is this volunteer :) Sorry for > > the problem, just aren't enough hours in my day at present to handle > > everything it seems. > > > > Sincerely, Dave ... > > > > > I'll think through an automated solution, but in the meantime here is a > manual one.... > > > If the user's firefox process dies a sudden death, it can leave a stale > lock file around. If the user has no running firefox-bin processes (I'm > pretty sure "pkill -u firefox-bin" would do the trick), > you can safely remove the lock file: > > rm ~username/.mozilla/firefox/*/lock > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That said, I > guess I will need to download an rpm or add a repository since yum > isn't showing an upgrade to 2.0 as an option. Not even Fedora Core 6 has Firefox in its official repositories yet. You'll have to find a third party repository that carries it, roll your own or just install from source. Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From phawxhurst at hotmail.com Thu Dec 7 17:00:00 2006 From: phawxhurst at hotmail.com (Peter Hawxhurst) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 11:00:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Refurbished sites/stories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Alan have setup fedora core 4 network with 22 thin clients with pent I & II upto 233mhz with 128mb of 72pin ram and 1-3gb harddrives. the problem is getting the teachers to use it as they are not familiar with linux, but encourage you to try it. peace. Peter Hawxhurst phawxhurst at hotmail.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: ahodson at elp.rr.com Reply-To: "Support list for open source software in schools." To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Refurbished sites/stories Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 08:28:57 -0700 Hi group The district's head of instructional technology has asked me to compile a "how can old computers be used again" using linux and open source. I believe it's part of a county-wide effort to provide employment to (twin-plant/maquila) displaced workers. I can rant about how-to, but I am in short supply of links to disticts and communities where this is being done. I also know there are vendors in the list that may want to make sure their contribution appears, as the district will most likely farm out the initial training and workplace set-up. I will gladly share the results with the group, as Open Source's mantra is about sharing information and resources. cheers Alan A Hodson http://links.episd.org/ El Paso TX -=o=- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Share your latest news with your friends with the Windows Live Spaces friends module. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mk From thewhitmers at gmail.com Thu Dec 7 17:45:27 2006 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:45:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and PXE with two different Class of IP address In-Reply-To: <1165467531.5355.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1165467531.5355.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 12/6/06, Bert Rolston wrote: > Hey folks, > > I know this little chestnut has been chewed over many times on this > list. I don't remember my situation coming up. So first I'll describe > the environment. > > ======================= > The current environment > ======================= > > An MS Network with AD, terminal server and MS DHCP server with CLASS B > IP address scheme. > > They want to revitalise their old Win 9x / NT machines and are > investigating using K12LTSP or locally installed Linux. They have a lot > of old classic to PII Pentiums which are gathering dust. > > One option is to boot the LTSP terminals in kiosk mode to access their > Windows Terminal server using the RDP client included. > > The other option is to install a lightweight Linux distro (Puppy or DSL) > on all the machines and use the RDP client that way. > > They don't want to change their existing infrastructure if at all > possible. Even making changes to their DHCP server is considered risky > by the network admin. ANY adverse impact on their existing system is > unacceptable. > > The network admin uses Ubuntu at home, but has been unable to get any > Linux computer to authenticate to the AD at work. > For that reason he only sees limited potential for Linux / OSS in their > current environment. > > Users will authenticate to their AD through Windows terminal sessions. > > Later on they may enable access to the Linux desktop and apps. > > > ======================= > My Question > ======================= > > Given that the current DHCP server issues Class B addresses. > > Can the K12LTSP DHCP server, which issues Class C addresses > - co-exist on the same physical media > - handle PXE requests from the old hardware, > - and not interfere with their current setup? > > If so what changes (if any) need to be made > - on the MS DHCP server, > - their current setup > - the K12LTSP server > > Thanks, > Bert > Bert, A standard K12LTSP server setup uses two NICs: one to connect to the main network, and the other to run the thin client computers on their own subnet. In the default setup, the K12LTSP server will only run DHCP on the NIC that serves the thin client subnet. The thin client computers will then only be served by the K12LTSP server's DHCP when they boot up, and their DHCP requests will be isolated from the main network. RDP should work fine from the thin clients. I've used RDP to access a Windows PC using TS Client (I think that's the name). Others on this list have edited the K12LTSP server's lts.conf file to have RDP be a boot up option on the thin clients. I have not yet tried that myself. The main thing to avoid disruptions on your main network is to go with the standard 2-NIC K12LTSP setup, and connect all your thin client computers to just the subnet K12LTSP is running DHCP on. Then you shouldn't have to change anything on the MS DHCP server. David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org email: thewhitmers at gmail.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Dec 7 17:54:37 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 09:54:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Control In-Reply-To: <43080f460612070849u5bd2b9e7x138b24ff64b101@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460612070849u5bd2b9e7x138b24ff64b101@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4578555D.1030807@paasda.org> Not sure if you've tried these or not...but it was replied to you last month ;) --Huck Hi Mel, Sabayon and pesselus (may already be installed on systems using gnome) used together seem to do it for Gnome Desktops. I can't really figure out if these projects are under active development however. http://www.gnome.org/projects/sabayon/ http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1082 John On 11/13/06, Mel Wade wrote: I'm getting ready to roll out our new K12LSTP system, but still need to lock things down so that settings like wallpaper, etc. can't be changed by the user. Can someone point me in the right direction for these changes? -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see Mel Wade wrote: > How do you control thing like wallpaper setting, etc. so that users in > the lab can't put in appropriate graphics there? > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mel at melwade.com Thu Dec 7 17:58:27 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 09:58:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Control In-Reply-To: <4578555D.1030807@paasda.org> References: <43080f460612070849u5bd2b9e7x138b24ff64b101@mail.gmail.com> <4578555D.1030807@paasda.org> Message-ID: <43080f460612070958o423d5b02x647e35615b06ee66@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, that's what I was looking for. I got stuck on another problem and now that I came back to it, I couldn't find the email. -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Thu Dec 7 18:35:46 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:35:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Control In-Reply-To: <43080f460612070958o423d5b02x647e35615b06ee66@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460612070849u5bd2b9e7x138b24ff64b101@mail.gmail.com> <4578555D.1030807@paasda.org> <43080f460612070958o423d5b02x647e35615b06ee66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061207133546.jahn07jgz4o8w840@neatmail.unh.edu> Mel, I have used both Sabayon and Pessulus numerous times and I have to tell you that there is a catch. If the users that are logging into your thin clients are authenticating against Windows Active Directory, both programs are useless and I can't currently find a program that will work. If the accounts are on your LTSP Server/Samba server then these programs will work well. In our district, all of our students currently authenticate against Windows ADS 2003 and Sabayon will not work. If anyone has a different experience please do let me know how you do it. Just wanted to inform you. Thanks. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Director of Technology Epping School District P: 603.679.8003 x105 F: 603.679.2196 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Quoting Mel Wade : > Thanks, that's what I was looking for. I got stuck on another problem and > now that I came back to it, I couldn't find the email. > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > From joebaker at dcresearch.com Thu Dec 7 19:26:37 2006 From: joebaker at dcresearch.com (Joe Baker) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 13:26:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: OpenOffice Impress Woes - Any Ideas? In-Reply-To: <774593a20612052055t4c22ab1cqcd0bb49ce806c39c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061205215804.tvo5zeoy8cws4cck@neatmail.unh.edu> <774593a20612052055t4c22ab1cqcd0bb49ce806c39c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45786AED.2080600@dcresearch.com> Sudev Barar wrote: > On 06/12/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: >> working fine, including making outlines, etc. However, as soon as >> individuals start adding pictures or animations the program just >> closes. Then when you reopen Impress it tries to recover the file and >> fails. > > The only time I have seen it happen is when large files are dopped in. > Maybe it was a memory issue. With LTSP server this should not be an > issue. > > In OO-1.xx there used to be an issue if file is saved and closed from > outline view it would not open but with Ubuntu6.06 using OO-2 this is > not the issue. > Perhaps the thin client is running out of ram? Do you have a swapfile enabled for the clients. I've seen this sort of thing happen when Firefox has a huge background image and there wasn't sufficient memory for the thin client. -Joe Baker From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Thu Dec 7 20:22:09 2006 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 14:22:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Autologin not working Message-ID: <200612071422.10034.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Hello all, I'm running K12LTSP 5.0 on my test box and I'm trying to got Autologin to work. I've looked at serveral postings on this but I cannot seem to get it to work. http://ltsp.org/contrib/autologin_kdm.html http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2003-June/msg00401.html Two things that bother me. 1 I edit the /etc/sysconfig/desktop file as in the second link says to but the file is empty. Was it suppose to be empty? I went ahead and entered: DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" DESKTOP="KDE" 2. Changes to the /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc seem to have no effect. Is the system using the file? So, this leads me to determine which mode the server is using GDM, KDM, XDM and How do I switch from ??? to KDM? Now, I also tried to use GDM to autologin as describe in other posting but the file that they refer to does not exist, gdm.conf. Any ideas? Thanks, Ray From petre at maltzen.net Thu Dec 7 20:42:24 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:42:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Autologin not working In-Reply-To: <200612071422.10034.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> References: <200612071422.10034.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <45787CB0.8090403@maltzen.net> If you want to use KDM for the display manager (under which you can run either KDE or Gnome; they're separate pieces, and KDM does not require that you run KDE) make the changes to /etc/sysconfig/desktop that you listed below, use Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get to a command prompt console, and run either 'gdm-restart' or 'telinit3; telinit 5' to stop the existing GDM display manager and start KDM. Note that ALL graphical sessions will reset (i.e., kick people out), even at the server console, when you do this. GDM is the default display manager, and it can be made to autologin. But the file to edit is now /etc/gdm/custom.conf, not gdm.conf. AND, if you're using FC5, which it sounds like you are, you have to install a patched version of GDM for it to work. There's a complete how-to on the wiki (which I just wrote a couple weeks ago) that includes a link to the patched GDM in an RPM file. See http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/A%20more%20complete%20How-To%20for%20setting%20up%20autologin%20of%20clients%20using%20Gnome%20%26%20GDM Petre Ray Garza wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm running K12LTSP 5.0 on my test box and I'm trying to got Autologin to > work. I've looked at serveral postings on this but I cannot seem to get it to > work. > > http://ltsp.org/contrib/autologin_kdm.html > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2003-June/msg00401.html > > Two things that bother me. > > 1 I edit the /etc/sysconfig/desktop file as in the second link says to but the > file is empty. Was it suppose to be empty? I went ahead and entered: > DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" > DESKTOP="KDE" > > 2. Changes to the /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc seem to have no effect. Is the system > using the file? > > So, this leads me to determine which mode the server is using GDM, KDM, XDM > and How do I switch from ??? to KDM? > > Now, I also tried to use GDM to autologin as describe in other posting but the > file that they refer to does not exist, gdm.conf. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Ray > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Thu Dec 7 20:44:23 2006 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 09:44:23 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and PXE with two different Class of IP address In-Reply-To: <200612071254.57195.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> References: <1165467531.5355.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200612071254.57195.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1165524264.2495.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi John, Thanks for your reply. The reason they went to a Class B scheme was to overcome the 254 host limit. They are using a /16 subnet mask. The network in question is at a small tertiary educational establishment. It provides courses in business studies ( 1 lab), animation ( 2 labs), certificate in television production, christian ministry and counselling courses. Also running on the same network are campus admin, a small regional TV station, TV production and marketing company, an animation studio with render farm. Thanks for your time, Bert On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 12:54 -0400, John Lucas wrote: > You mentioned that the current network is using a class B address scheme, but > is that address space sub-divided? What netmask is being used? > > Almost no one with a class B uses the 16-bit netmask; use of a 24-bit netmask > divides the single network into up, to 254 subnets of up to 254 hosts each (a > more useful scheme). Assuming that a 24-bit (or larger) netmask *is* being > used, how about creating a new private (class-C sized) subnet on one NIC in > an LTSP server, and have another NIC attached to the existing network? This > allows the terminals to use DHCP/tftp/PXE/etherboot from the LTSP server and > still access the MS Terminal server (using rdesktop) without changing the > existing network (save for the addition of the new LTSP server and it's > terminals). In this scenario the LTSP server could be used as a router (for > terminals running rdesktop sessions), or as a dual-homed host (running > rdesktop from the LTSP server itself). > > My choice would be to run rdesktop on the terminal (via the SCREEN_x directive > in lts.conf). This allows sound to be re-directed from the MS TC to the > terminal and preseves the ability to run Linux on the LTSP server (via a > separate SCREEN_x directive). Thin clients are far simpler to maintain than > stand-alone PCs. > > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 00:58, you wrote: > > Hey folks, > > > > I know this little chestnut has been chewed over many times on this > > list. I don't remember my situation coming up. So first I'll describe > > the environment. > > > > ======================= > > The current environment > > ======================= > > > > An MS Network with AD, terminal server and MS DHCP server with CLASS B > > IP address scheme. > > > > They want to revitalise their old Win 9x / NT machines and are > > investigating using K12LTSP or locally installed Linux. They have a lot > > of old classic to PII Pentiums which are gathering dust. > > > > One option is to boot the LTSP terminals in kiosk mode to access their > > Windows Terminal server using the RDP client included. > > > > The other option is to install a lightweight Linux distro (Puppy or DSL) > > on all the machines and use the RDP client that way. > > > > They don't want to change their existing infrastructure if at all > > possible. Even making changes to their DHCP server is considered risky > > by the network admin. ANY adverse impact on their existing system is > > unacceptable. > > > > The network admin uses Ubuntu at home, but has been unable to get any > > Linux computer to authenticate to the AD at work. > > For that reason he only sees limited potential for Linux / OSS in their > > current environment. > > > > Users will authenticate to their AD through Windows terminal sessions. > > > > Later on they may enable access to the Linux desktop and apps. > > > > > > ======================= > > My Question > > ======================= > > > > Given that the current DHCP server issues Class B addresses. > > > > Can the K12LTSP DHCP server, which issues Class C addresses > > - co-exist on the same physical media > > - handle PXE requests from the old hardware, > > - and not interfere with their current setup? > > > > If so what changes (if any) need to be made > > - on the MS DHCP server, > > - their current setup > > - the K12LTSP server > > > > Thanks, > > Bert > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > From sergio at turbocorp.com Thu Dec 7 18:21:10 2006 From: sergio at turbocorp.com (Sergio Chaves) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:21:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MS box can't locate samba-ldap domain - dns issue? In-Reply-To: <20061207015628.43056.qmail@web60721.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061207015628.43056.qmail@web60721.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200612071321.11201.sergio@turbocorp.com> I solved ALL my printing problems for both PCL5/6 with the "latest" hplip driver (hplip-1.6.10.tar.gz) from http://hplip.sourceforge.net or http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=149981. If you decide to install it, first remove ANY instances of hpijs* or older versions of hplip AND read the README files :o) I connect wireless, scan, copy, fax, etc. On Wednesday 06 December 2006 20:56, Nick Fenger wrote: > I just moved dhcp services for our main network to a fedora box running > dhcp (our Actiontec DSL modem used to do it). When I did this my single > Microsoft machine (win2k) that students used to print to our konica copier* > ( with their samba/ldap authenticated logins) stopped letting them login. > > When I attempt to join my domain with the MS machine, the domain cannot > be located. It says I have a DNS problem. I have been reading up on that > actiontec and it seems that it did some DNS work. > > I have been very successful up to this point keeping my 4 K12LTSP servers > and 1 samba/ldap PDC running with a total of 40 clients without having a > solid understanding of linux microsoft/networking. Can anyone direct me to > a tutorial/reading/resource that will help a newbie at this get it working? > > *if you have any ideas about printing to PCL5/6 printers/copiers from > linux that would great too.. our linux machines lock up the copier's print > controller when they print directly to the copier. > > Thanks, > > Nick Fenger > Technology Coordinator/ Technology Teacher > Trillium Charter School, Portland, OR -- "I've read the last page of the Bible. It's all going to turn out all right." --Billy Graham" ---- . . . . v Sergio Chaves v /(_)\ Linux User #221305 /(_)\ ^ ^ ^ ^ This transmission (including attachments) may be: (1) subject to the Attorney-Client Privilege, (2) an attorney work product, or (3) strictly confidential to Sergio Chaves, LLC. If you are not the intended recipient of this message (or authorized to receive for the intended recipient), you may not read, retain, disclose, print, copy or disseminate to anyone this information. If you have received this in error, please reply and notify the sender (only) by reply email, and destroy all copies of the message (including any attachments). Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is a violation of federal criminal law. From nadavkav at gmail.com Thu Dec 7 20:47:31 2006 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:47:31 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Control In-Reply-To: <43080f460612070849u5bd2b9e7x138b24ff64b101@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460612070849u5bd2b9e7x138b24ff64b101@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4219988b0612071247p6521e221w2b3fbe8103059fde@mail.gmail.com> i use KDE's kiosk tool, which is great for locking down lots of settings. here is a link... http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kiosktool/ and i think you can install it with "yum install kiosktool" :-) On 12/7/06, Mel Wade wrote: > > How do you control thing like wallpaper setting, etc. so that users in the > lab can't put in appropriate graphics there? > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nadavkav at gmail.com Thu Dec 7 21:04:13 2006 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 23:04:13 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Autologin not working In-Reply-To: <200612071422.10034.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> References: <200612071422.10034.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <4219988b0612071304r7f6206abh3aa276b9725fe13@mail.gmail.com> i use KDM to auto-login. i just set the /etc/sysconfig/desktop the same way you did which starts KDM and i'm attaching a link to the kdmrc file which enables auto login. http://www.groworganic.info/ltsp/etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc.ltsp you can use kdiff (or some other diff GUI app) to compare these files and find something you probably missing. i hope it helps. :-) On 12/7/06, Ray Garza wrote: > > Hello all, > > I'm running K12LTSP 5.0 on my test box and I'm trying to got Autologin to > work. I've looked at serveral postings on this but I cannot seem to get it > to > work. > > http://ltsp.org/contrib/autologin_kdm.html > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2003-June/msg00401.html > > Two things that bother me. > > 1 I edit the /etc/sysconfig/desktop file as in the second link says to but > the > file is empty. Was it suppose to be empty? I went ahead and entered: > DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" > DESKTOP="KDE" > > 2. Changes to the /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc seem to have no effect. Is the system > using the file? > > So, this leads me to determine which mode the server is using GDM, KDM, > XDM > and How do I switch from ??? to KDM? > > Now, I also tried to use GDM to autologin as describe in other posting but > the > file that they refer to does not exist, gdm.conf. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Ray > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at melwade.com Thu Dec 7 21:21:54 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:21:54 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Control In-Reply-To: <4219988b0612071247p6521e221w2b3fbe8103059fde@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460612070849u5bd2b9e7x138b24ff64b101@mail.gmail.com> <4219988b0612071247p6521e221w2b3fbe8103059fde@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43080f460612071321nc340245sefb57a0c5f1cead5@mail.gmail.com> I came across the kiosk tool late last night, and have found it to work well, even against AD authentication. Since I wan't everyone locked down I set the default policy to lock down and then made a different policy for root and other local admins as necessary. I don't know if you could use Sabayon that way or not... On 12/7/06, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > > i use KDE's kiosk tool, which is great for locking down lots of settings. > here is a link... http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kiosktool/ > and i think you can install it with "yum install kiosktool" > > :-) > > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Thu Dec 7 22:45:37 2006 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 16:45:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Autologin not working In-Reply-To: <4219988b0612071304r7f6206abh3aa276b9725fe13@mail.gmail.com> References: <200612071422.10034.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> <4219988b0612071304r7f6206abh3aa276b9725fe13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612071645.37383.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Thanks for the info guys but it is still not working. I can make changes to the kdmrc.ltsp (such as using a Greeting) file reboot and no changes show up. I just get the Fedora logo in the center of the screen with the Username and Password box's. On the bottom left of the screen I have Session Type and Menu and on the Bottom right I have the domain and date/time. The greeting doesn't show up. So that tells me that file is not being looked at. I think what'll do and wipe the server clean and start over. No big deal as this is not a production box, just a small server and 1 client setup to test things out with. Thanks for the help. -ray On Thursday 07 December 2006 15:04, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: > i use KDM to auto-login. > i just set the /etc/sysconfig/desktop the same way you did which starts KDM > and i'm attaching a link to the kdmrc file which enables auto login. > http://www.groworganic.info/ltsp/etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc.ltsp > > you can use kdiff (or some other diff GUI app) to compare these files and > find something you probably missing. > > i hope it helps. > > :-) > > On 12/7/06, Ray Garza wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I'm running K12LTSP 5.0 on my test box and I'm trying to got Autologin to > > work. I've looked at serveral postings on this but I cannot seem to get > > it to > > work. > > > > http://ltsp.org/contrib/autologin_kdm.html > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2003-June/msg00401.html > > > > Two things that bother me. > > > > 1 I edit the /etc/sysconfig/desktop file as in the second link says to > > but the > > file is empty. Was it suppose to be empty? I went ahead and entered: > > DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" > > DESKTOP="KDE" > > > > 2. Changes to the /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc seem to have no effect. Is the > > system using the file? > > > > So, this leads me to determine which mode the server is using GDM, KDM, > > XDM > > and How do I switch from ??? to KDM? > > > > Now, I also tried to use GDM to autologin as describe in other posting > > but the > > file that they refer to does not exist, gdm.conf. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ray > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see From mel at melwade.com Fri Dec 8 00:28:45 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 16:28:45 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] AD Join and Home Folders - Success! Message-ID: <43080f460612071628u528dbd3y510e5984da5b7154@mail.gmail.com> I know there has been a lot of discussion (partly from me) reciently about joining K12LTSP to the domain. I've (finally) been successful! In the process, I've come across the clearest HOWTO so far on this that is very concise and clear. I'm sharing it for those interested. I'd recommend it for the wiki but since it's not my work, I don't know what the protocol is on that! http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?p=441220 -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Fri Dec 8 02:18:38 2006 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:18:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and PXE with two different Class of IP address In-Reply-To: <1165524264.2495.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1165467531.5355.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200612071254.57195.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <1165524264.2495.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200612072218.39094.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Well you should be able to set up the LTSP server as a NAT firewall through IPTables, or use a hardware NAT firewall in front of the server; that way you can hide the terminals behind the server's IP address and still make no changes to the rest of the network, while still enabling you to run your own DHCP server for the terminals. BTW, a single net class B means that *all* hosts are in the same broadcast domain. If you have over 250 hosts on that net, that is a lot of broadcast traffic, one chattering NIC and the entire net feels the pain. I wouldn't want to be a network support tech on that net if anything goes wrong; that isn't the most robust net design. A netmask of 20 bits would allow 16 subnets of 1024 hosts each and allow sub-dividing the broadcast domain and isolate traffic behind routers (as well as allow special subnets like yours without resorting to NAT). On Thursday 07 December 2006 16:44, Bert Rolston wrote: > Hi John, > > Thanks for your reply. > > The reason they went to a Class B scheme was to overcome the 254 host > limit. > > They are using a /16 subnet mask. > > The network in question is at a small tertiary educational > establishment. It provides courses in business studies ( 1 lab), > animation ( 2 labs), certificate in television production, christian > ministry and counselling courses. Also running on the same network are > campus admin, a small regional TV station, TV production and marketing > company, an animation studio with render farm. > > Thanks for your time, > Bert > > On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 12:54 -0400, John Lucas wrote: > > You mentioned that the current network is using a class B address scheme, > > but is that address space sub-divided? What netmask is being used? > > > > Almost no one with a class B uses the 16-bit netmask; use of a 24-bit > > netmask divides the single network into up, to 254 subnets of up to 254 > > hosts each (a more useful scheme). Assuming that a 24-bit (or larger) > > netmask *is* being used, how about creating a new private (class-C sized) > > subnet on one NIC in an LTSP server, and have another NIC attached to the > > existing network? This allows the terminals to use > > DHCP/tftp/PXE/etherboot from the LTSP server and still access the MS > > Terminal server (using rdesktop) without changing the existing network > > (save for the addition of the new LTSP server and it's terminals). In > > this scenario the LTSP server could be used as a router (for terminals > > running rdesktop sessions), or as a dual-homed host (running rdesktop > > from the LTSP server itself). > > > > My choice would be to run rdesktop on the terminal (via the SCREEN_x > > directive in lts.conf). This allows sound to be re-directed from the MS > > TC to the terminal and preseves the ability to run Linux on the LTSP > > server (via a separate SCREEN_x directive). Thin clients are far simpler > > to maintain than stand-alone PCs. > > > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 00:58, you wrote: > > > Hey folks, > > > > > > I know this little chestnut has been chewed over many times on this > > > list. I don't remember my situation coming up. So first I'll describe > > > the environment. > > > > > > ======================= > > > The current environment > > > ======================= > > > > > > An MS Network with AD, terminal server and MS DHCP server with CLASS B > > > IP address scheme. > > > > > > They want to revitalise their old Win 9x / NT machines and are > > > investigating using K12LTSP or locally installed Linux. They have a lot > > > of old classic to PII Pentiums which are gathering dust. > > > > > > One option is to boot the LTSP terminals in kiosk mode to access their > > > Windows Terminal server using the RDP client included. > > > > > > The other option is to install a lightweight Linux distro (Puppy or > > > DSL) on all the machines and use the RDP client that way. > > > > > > They don't want to change their existing infrastructure if at all > > > possible. Even making changes to their DHCP server is considered risky > > > by the network admin. ANY adverse impact on their existing system is > > > unacceptable. > > > > > > The network admin uses Ubuntu at home, but has been unable to get any > > > Linux computer to authenticate to the AD at work. > > > For that reason he only sees limited potential for Linux / OSS in their > > > current environment. > > > > > > Users will authenticate to their AD through Windows terminal sessions. > > > > > > Later on they may enable access to the Linux desktop and apps. > > > > > > > > > ======================= > > > My Question > > > ======================= > > > > > > Given that the current DHCP server issues Class B addresses. > > > > > > Can the K12LTSP DHCP server, which issues Class C addresses > > > - co-exist on the same physical media > > > - handle PXE requests from the old hardware, > > > - and not interfere with their current setup? > > > > > > If so what changes (if any) need to be made > > > - on the MS DHCP server, > > > - their current setup > > > - the K12LTSP server > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Bert > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From netman1 at optonline.net Fri Dec 8 03:31:53 2006 From: netman1 at optonline.net (Jim Anderson) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:31:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Automatic user logout script? Message-ID: <1165548714.4734.8.camel@penguin.anderson.local> Is there a script available to automatically log out users at the end of the day from K12LTSP? I have users that tend to leave while still logged in. Relatedly, is there a way to force a logout remotely from a terminal prompt as root? K12LTSP v.5.0 Dell Pentium D 2.8 GHz, 2 GB RAM 24 GX1 clients Jim From netman1 at optonline.net Fri Dec 8 03:37:29 2006 From: netman1 at optonline.net (Jim Anderson) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:37:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Disabling screen saver? Message-ID: <1165549049.4734.15.camel@penguin.anderson.local> Is there a way to globally disable the screensavers for all users in K12LTSP? Some of my users leave the computer room without logging out and other users cannot log in unless the terminal is rebooted. I would like to also remotely log out users so that there is not promlem with locked files/runaway processes that cause problems for other users. K12LTSP v.5.0 Dell Pentium D 2.8 GHz, 2 GB RAM 24 GX1 clients Jim From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Fri Dec 8 04:09:03 2006 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 17:09:03 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and PXE with two different Class of IP address In-Reply-To: <200612072218.39094.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> References: <1165467531.5355.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200612071254.57195.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <1165524264.2495.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200612072218.39094.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1165550944.2495.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks John, The fact is THEY ARE having problems on the network. Their Exchange server was misbehaving today. I will insist they have ALL other problems on their network resolved BEFORE the K12LTSP server is installed. And I will be insisting on GOOD server grade hardware. This site had a Samba server that was installed on old hardware, with command line only administration. After the tech that set it up moved to a new job a hard drive failed. People blamed Linux and said it wasn't up to the job. I've seen one installation on another site removed because LINUX was blamed for network problems. The culprit was a Win95 proxy server with a failing hard drive. But back to the question. So what you were saying earlier is that on the K12LTSP server I set up - 1 NIC with a Class B address that matches their scheme, connected to their physical media - 1 NIC with the standard K12LTSP Class C scheme connected to the same physical media, through the same switch This should satisfy my customer's criteria. What will the MS DHCP server do when a PXE request comes from the old hardware? I may be answering my own question, as I understand things MS DHCP will ignore the request. Is that the case? As for the LTSP DHCP server, I take it I can tell it to IGNORE any DHCP requests from a host with an MS operating system. Thanks for your time. Cheers, Bert On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 22:18 -0400, John Lucas wrote: > Well you should be able to set up the LTSP server as a NAT firewall through > IPTables, or use a hardware NAT firewall in front of the server; that way you > can hide the terminals behind the server's IP address and still make no > changes to the rest of the network, while still enabling you to run your own > DHCP server for the terminals. > > BTW, a single net class B means that *all* hosts are in the same broadcast > domain. If you have over 250 hosts on that net, that is a lot of broadcast > traffic, one chattering NIC and the entire net feels the pain. I wouldn't > want to be a network support tech on that net if anything goes wrong; that > isn't the most robust net design. A netmask of 20 bits would allow 16 subnets > of 1024 hosts each and allow sub-dividing the broadcast domain and isolate > traffic behind routers (as well as allow special subnets like yours without > resorting to NAT). > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 16:44, Bert Rolston wrote: > > Hi John, > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > The reason they went to a Class B scheme was to overcome the 254 host > > limit. > > > > They are using a /16 subnet mask. > > > > The network in question is at a small tertiary educational > > establishment. It provides courses in business studies ( 1 lab), > > animation ( 2 labs), certificate in television production, christian > > ministry and counselling courses. Also running on the same network are > > campus admin, a small regional TV station, TV production and marketing > > company, an animation studio with render farm. > > > > Thanks for your time, > > Bert > > > > On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 12:54 -0400, John Lucas wrote: > > > You mentioned that the current network is using a class B address scheme, > > > but is that address space sub-divided? What netmask is being used? > > > > > > Almost no one with a class B uses the 16-bit netmask; use of a 24-bit > > > netmask divides the single network into up, to 254 subnets of up to 254 > > > hosts each (a more useful scheme). Assuming that a 24-bit (or larger) > > > netmask *is* being used, how about creating a new private (class-C sized) > > > subnet on one NIC in an LTSP server, and have another NIC attached to the > > > existing network? This allows the terminals to use > > > DHCP/tftp/PXE/etherboot from the LTSP server and still access the MS > > > Terminal server (using rdesktop) without changing the existing network > > > (save for the addition of the new LTSP server and it's terminals). In > > > this scenario the LTSP server could be used as a router (for terminals > > > running rdesktop sessions), or as a dual-homed host (running rdesktop > > > from the LTSP server itself). > > > > > > My choice would be to run rdesktop on the terminal (via the SCREEN_x > > > directive in lts.conf). This allows sound to be re-directed from the MS > > > TC to the terminal and preseves the ability to run Linux on the LTSP > > > server (via a separate SCREEN_x directive). Thin clients are far simpler > > > to maintain than stand-alone PCs. > > > > > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 00:58, you wrote: > > > > Hey folks, > > > > > > > > I know this little chestnut has been chewed over many times on this > > > > list. I don't remember my situation coming up. So first I'll describe > > > > the environment. > > > > > > > > ======================= > > > > The current environment > > > > ======================= > > > > > > > > An MS Network with AD, terminal server and MS DHCP server with CLASS B > > > > IP address scheme. > > > > > > > > They want to revitalise their old Win 9x / NT machines and are > > > > investigating using K12LTSP or locally installed Linux. They have a lot > > > > of old classic to PII Pentiums which are gathering dust. > > > > > > > > One option is to boot the LTSP terminals in kiosk mode to access their > > > > Windows Terminal server using the RDP client included. > > > > > > > > The other option is to install a lightweight Linux distro (Puppy or > > > > DSL) on all the machines and use the RDP client that way. > > > > > > > > They don't want to change their existing infrastructure if at all > > > > possible. Even making changes to their DHCP server is considered risky > > > > by the network admin. ANY adverse impact on their existing system is > > > > unacceptable. > > > > > > > > The network admin uses Ubuntu at home, but has been unable to get any > > > > Linux computer to authenticate to the AD at work. > > > > For that reason he only sees limited potential for Linux / OSS in their > > > > current environment. > > > > > > > > Users will authenticate to their AD through Windows terminal sessions. > > > > > > > > Later on they may enable access to the Linux desktop and apps. > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================= > > > > My Question > > > > ======================= > > > > > > > > Given that the current DHCP server issues Class B addresses. > > > > > > > > Can the K12LTSP DHCP server, which issues Class C addresses > > > > - co-exist on the same physical media > > > > - handle PXE requests from the old hardware, > > > > - and not interfere with their current setup? > > > > > > > > If so what changes (if any) need to be made > > > > - on the MS DHCP server, > > > > - their current setup > > > > - the K12LTSP server > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bert > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Dec 8 13:49:42 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 07:49:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Autologin not working In-Reply-To: <200612071645.37383.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> References: <200612071422.10034.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> <4219988b0612071304r7f6206abh3aa276b9725fe13@mail.gmail.com> <200612071645.37383.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <45796D76.7020600@maltzen.net> I think the ability to make cosmetic changes, such as changing the greeting, in KDM is broken. I was not able to make any such changes work. That's why I went back to GDM. But I believe William Fragakis has autologin under KDM working, so I'm pretty sure that part works. Petre Ray Garza wrote: > Thanks for the info guys but it is still not working. I can make changes to > the kdmrc.ltsp (such as using a Greeting) file reboot and no changes show up. > I just get the Fedora logo in the center of the screen with the Username and > Password box's. On the bottom left of the screen I have Session Type and Menu > and on the Bottom right I have the domain and date/time. The greeting doesn't > show up. So that tells me that file is not being looked at. > > I think what'll do and wipe the server clean and start over. No big deal as > this is not a production box, just a small server and 1 client setup to test > things out with. > > Thanks for the help. > > -ray > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 15:04, Nadav Kavalerchik wrote: >> i use KDM to auto-login. >> i just set the /etc/sysconfig/desktop the same way you did which starts KDM >> and i'm attaching a link to the kdmrc file which enables auto login. >> http://www.groworganic.info/ltsp/etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc.ltsp >> >> you can use kdiff (or some other diff GUI app) to compare these files and >> find something you probably missing. >> >> i hope it helps. >> >> :-) >> >> On 12/7/06, Ray Garza wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I'm running K12LTSP 5.0 on my test box and I'm trying to got Autologin to >>> work. I've looked at serveral postings on this but I cannot seem to get >>> it to >>> work. >>> >>> http://ltsp.org/contrib/autologin_kdm.html >>> http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2003-June/msg00401.html >>> >>> Two things that bother me. >>> >>> 1 I edit the /etc/sysconfig/desktop file as in the second link says to >>> but the >>> file is empty. Was it suppose to be empty? I went ahead and entered: >>> DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" >>> DESKTOP="KDE" >>> >>> 2. Changes to the /etc/X11/xdm/kdmrc seem to have no effect. Is the >>> system using the file? >>> >>> So, this leads me to determine which mode the server is using GDM, KDM, >>> XDM >>> and How do I switch from ??? to KDM? >>> >>> Now, I also tried to use GDM to autologin as describe in other posting >>> but the >>> file that they refer to does not exist, gdm.conf. >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Dec 8 13:54:24 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 07:54:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] AD Join and Home Folders - Success! In-Reply-To: <43080f460612071628u528dbd3y510e5984da5b7154@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460612071628u528dbd3y510e5984da5b7154@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45796E90.1070601@maltzen.net> I think you should write a page on the wiki describing your experience and include links to the how-to you found. Then at least people can find the info easily. Better yet, write to the author of the how-to and ask permission to copy it to the wiki (or at least plagiarize major portions). The reason this is better is that a year or two from now, that how-to may disappear, in which case link-only wiki page won't be of much use--we've seen this happen a few times already. Most how-to authors will be flattered by requests for copies of their documentation. Petre Mel Wade wrote: > I know there has been a lot of discussion (partly from me) reciently > about joining K12LTSP to the domain. I've (finally) been successful! > In the process, I've come across the clearest HOWTO so far on this that > is very concise and clear. I'm sharing it for those interested. I'd > recommend it for the wiki but since it's not my work, I don't know what > the protocol is on that! > > http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?p=441220 > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Fri Dec 8 13:58:43 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 07:58:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Screen Reset In-Reply-To: <43080f460612071806k32d661ffp5d47d890335ac9cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460612071806k32d661ffp5d47d890335ac9cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45796F93.6060102@maltzen.net> Not sure if it's related but I've seen something similar start happening after I've restarted GDM a time or two on the server (because I'm, say, fooling around with autologin changes). Usually, I can get back to the server's GUI by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F7. Rebooting the server causes those problems to cease. Petre Mel Wade wrote: > What would cause my screen to reset. > > any time someone click "Logout" and brings up the logout screen on the > client, the server screen resets. I get this error in the logs: > > Dec 7 18:04:29 libraryltsp gdm[9033]: Display :0 is busy. There is > another X server running already. > Dec 7 18:04:32 libraryltsp gdm[9033]: Display :0 is busy. There is > another X server running already. > Dec 7 18:04:35 libraryltsp gdm[9033]: gdm_server_start: Display :0 > busy. Trying another display number. > Dec 7 18:04:35 libraryltsp kernel: mtrr: type mismatch for > d0000000,1000000 old: uncachable new: write-combining > Dec 7 18:05:15 libraryltsp gdm[9006]: QUERY_VT request denied: Not > authenticated > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cliebow at midmaine.com Fri Dec 8 14:12:29 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 09:12:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] AD Join and Home Folders - Success! In-Reply-To: <45796E90.1070601@maltzen.net> References: <43080f460612071628u528dbd3y510e5984da5b7154@mail.gmail.com> <45796E90.1070601@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <46731.169.244.70.146.1165587149.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> i second that!! > I think you should write a page on the wiki describing your experience and > include links > to the how-to you found. Then at least people can find the info easily. > Better yet, > write to the author of the how-to and ask permission to copy it to the > wiki (or at least > plagiarize major portions). The reason this is better is that a year or > two from now, > that how-to may disappear, in which case link-only wiki page won't be of > much use--we've > seen this happen a few times already. Most how-to authors will be > flattered by requests > for copies of their documentation. > > Petre > > Mel Wade wrote: >> I know there has been a lot of discussion (partly from me) reciently >> about joining K12LTSP to the domain. I've (finally) been successful! >> In the process, I've come across the clearest HOWTO so far on this that >> is very concise and clear. I'm sharing it for those interested. I'd >> recommend it for the wiki but since it's not my work, I don't know what >> the protocol is on that! >> >> http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?p=441220 >> >> -- >> Mel Wade >> "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - >> BF Skinner >> http://www.melwade.com >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From thewhitmers at gmail.com Fri Dec 8 14:00:32 2006 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 09:00:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and PXE with two different Class of IP address In-Reply-To: <1165550944.2495.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1165467531.5355.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200612071254.57195.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <1165524264.2495.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200612072218.39094.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <1165550944.2495.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 12/7/06, Bert Rolston wrote: > Thanks John, > > > > But back to the question. > > So what you were saying earlier is that on the K12LTSP server I set up > - 1 NIC with a Class B address that matches their scheme, > connected to their physical media > - 1 NIC with the standard K12LTSP Class C scheme connected to > the same physical media, through the same switch > > This should satisfy my customer's criteria. > > What will the MS DHCP server do when a PXE request comes from the old > hardware? > > I may be answering my own question, as I understand things MS DHCP will > ignore the request. Is that the case? > > As for the LTSP DHCP server, I take it I can tell it to IGNORE any DHCP > requests from a host with an MS operating system. > > Thanks for your time. > > Cheers, > Bert > Bert, As long as the PXE-booting computers are connected to the same physical network connected to the K12LTSP server's "internal" NIC, the PXE request will stop at that server and not go out to your class B network. Also, the NIC connected to the class B network will not be running DHCP service... the K12LTSP server by default only runs that for the internal network NIC. In your e-mail, it looks like you're planning to connect both of the NICs in the K12LTSP server into the same network switch. That will cause you problems. The default K12LTSP setup is meant to have the server act as a gateway/router between two physical networks, one for your thin client (PXE booting) computers, and the other your main network. David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org email: thewhitmers at gmail.com From petre at maltzen.net Fri Dec 8 14:09:47 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 08:09:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Automatic user logout script? In-Reply-To: <1165548714.4734.8.camel@penguin.anderson.local> References: <1165548714.4734.8.camel@penguin.anderson.local> Message-ID: <4579722B.2050300@maltzen.net> How about this: #!/bin/bash for ID in $(awk -F: '$3 >= 500 {print $1}') do pkill $ID done Put this into a file, make it executable (chmod +x), and then set root's crontab to run it at, say 5pm. Fedora defaults to starting user UID numbers at 500 and going up from there, so we avoid killing any system processes. Petre Jim Anderson wrote: > Is there a script available to automatically log out users at the end of > the day from K12LTSP? I have users that tend to leave while still > logged in. Relatedly, is there a way to force a logout remotely from a > terminal prompt as root? > > K12LTSP v.5.0 > Dell Pentium D 2.8 GHz, 2 GB RAM > 24 GX1 clients > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Dec 8 14:21:42 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 08:21:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Disabling screen saver? In-Reply-To: <1165549049.4734.15.camel@penguin.anderson.local> References: <1165549049.4734.15.camel@penguin.anderson.local> Message-ID: <457974F6.3060501@maltzen.net> To turn off the password lock on the screensaver, install the gconf-editor ('yum install gconf-editor'). Then, in gconf-editor, go to apps->gnome-screensaver, uncheck 'lock_enabled'. Then, right-click on lock_enabled and choose 'mandatory' to force this change on all users. If you make it 'default' it will set it that way as the default, but it won't prevent some smart-alec kid from turning the lock on his screensaver back on; 'mandatory' prevents this. To remotely logout users, run fl_teachertool. Note that you have to do a tiny bit of configuration to allow anyone other than root to logout users. Google for teachertool and you'll get Robert Arkiletian's page that includes the steps to set that up (he wrote it). Petre Jim Anderson wrote: > Is there a way to globally disable the screensavers for all users in > K12LTSP? Some of my users leave the computer room without logging out > and other users cannot log in unless the terminal is rebooted. I would > like to also remotely log out users so that there is not promlem with > locked files/runaway processes that cause problems for other users. > > K12LTSP v.5.0 > Dell Pentium D 2.8 GHz, 2 GB RAM > 24 GX1 clients > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ahodson at elp.rr.com Fri Dec 8 14:16:56 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson at elp.rr.com) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 07:16:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] When keeping login records... Message-ID: Hi list I am curious to learn from experienced users, when individual login records need to be kept, what are the most popular ways of doing so? I am in need of a daily list of who logged into a server (via ftp) so I can back up their work. Cheers Alan Hodson El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org/ -=o=- From mel at melwade.com Fri Dec 8 15:05:10 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 07:05:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Screen Reset In-Reply-To: <45796F93.6060102@maltzen.net> References: <43080f460612071806k32d661ffp5d47d890335ac9cc@mail.gmail.com> <45796F93.6060102@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43080f460612080705j20ef9549x78373d9034cf1469@mail.gmail.com> I've rebooted the server, but the problem is still there. The cause is consistently reproducable on our server.. We click logout on the client and have an immediate problem at the console. On 12/8/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > > Not sure if it's related but I've seen something similar start happening > after I've > restarted GDM a time or two on the server (because I'm, say, fooling > around with > autologin changes). Usually, I can get back to the server's GUI by > pressing > Ctrl-Alt-F7. Rebooting the server causes those problems to cease. > > Petre > > Mel Wade wrote: > > What would cause my screen to reset. > > > > any time someone click "Logout" and brings up the logout screen on the > > client, the server screen resets. I get this error in the logs: > > > > Dec 7 18:04:29 libraryltsp gdm[9033]: Display :0 is busy. There is > > another X server running already. > > Dec 7 18:04:32 libraryltsp gdm[9033]: Display :0 is busy. There is > > another X server running already. > > Dec 7 18:04:35 libraryltsp gdm[9033]: gdm_server_start: Display :0 > > busy. Trying another display number. > > Dec 7 18:04:35 libraryltsp kernel: mtrr: type mismatch for > > d0000000,1000000 old: uncachable new: write-combining > > Dec 7 18:05:15 libraryltsp gdm[9006]: QUERY_VT request denied: Not > > authenticated > > > > -- > > Mel Wade > > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > > BF Skinner > > http://www.melwade.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Fri Dec 8 15:54:34 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 09:54:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] When keeping login records... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45798ABA.7090400@maltzen.net> How about a script that greps for today's date in /var/log/messages--I think that's where vsftpd logs to--and pipe that to awk for records where field 5 equals vsftpd ($5 /vsftpd/), and pipe that to awk to select the user ID from the respective field, and redirect the output to append to a file. Something like this: TODAY=$(date '+%b %e') grep "^$TODAY" /var/log/messages | awk '$5 ~ /vsftpd/ {print $10}' I'm assuming here that the user ID is in field 10 in the vsftpd records /var/log/messages; I don't run vsftpd anywhere so I can't check it. Just change the variable number to match what is in /var/log/messages. Petre ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > Hi list > > I am curious to learn from experienced users, when individual login > records need to be kept, what are the most popular ways of doing so? I > am in need of a daily list of who logged into a server (via ftp) so I > can back up their work. > > Cheers > > Alan Hodson > El Paso ISD, TX > http://links.episd.org/ > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Fri Dec 8 16:21:36 2006 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:21:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Autologin not working In-Reply-To: <45796D76.7020600@maltzen.net> References: <200612071422.10034.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> <200612071645.37383.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> <45796D76.7020600@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <200612081021.36874.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> On Friday 08 December 2006 07:49, Petre Scheie wrote: > I think the ability to make cosmetic changes, such as changing the > greeting, in KDM is broken. I Well, that's a bummer. Kinda hinders troubleshooting. I checked the processes and GDM is not running and KDM is. > was not able to make any such changes work. > That's why I went back to GDM. But I believe William Fragakis has autologin > under KDM working, so I'm pretty sure that part works. > Ok, I'll still do a fresh reinstall and try again. I'll post the results next week. Right now I'm stuck checking out why certain PC's have a history cache and other don't in the Windows world. -ray From Theo.Turner at CumnorHouse.com Fri Dec 8 17:38:11 2006 From: Theo.Turner at CumnorHouse.com (Theo Turner) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 17:38:11 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Using NX as a client solution - Problem with sound. Message-ID: <2A05A29A9916524F969FFB1FA042BFC342D54F@server.CumnorHouse.local> I asked this a little while ago and got no reply but later found half my email was being swallowed as 'spam'. So I'll ask again and hopefully more clearly. I am using a K12LTSP V5 with a fairly standard install. I.e it has 2 nics and is set up for LTSP, but I don't actually plug anything into the client nic. I connect all my clients using the nx client. I do this because I have this set up in a school that is still very dependant on windows. I have so far half converted the preprep. So I need to have the ICT lab capable of switching from Windows to Linux and back very quick. My solution is to use the free nx server on the K12 box and then use the windows client. To make this kidy friendly I have changed the windows GUI for a user called 'kid' to a custom one I modified from so downloaded vb source code. When this user logs on they have a logoff button at the bottom of the screen and an Icon to launch the nx client with the settings and password already entered. This log on takes 15seconds even when a class of 20 come in at once. Everything works great, screen refresh is fast, much faster than VNC even over local network. Even sound works so everyone is happy. I have joined the K12 box to the windows 2K domain so staff can access their network documents etc. But the preprep children's accounts are local so as not to make the system dependant on the windows domain at all. This side of the system works brilliantly and bar a niggle or two over a couple of specific apps I am very pleased. I have a problem though when I try to do the same thing using a Linux machine as the client. I want to have knopptix installed to some old PC's that were donated and use these as clients to access the K12 desktop in the same way as the windows PC's do. All works except sound! I have no idea why it doesn't work as local sound is working fine. If anyone can think of anything on this one I would be greatful. For info the biggest reason I had for not using the standard LTSP client model is that this required me to reach each client with a network connection run from this server. I have a sprawling network and need clients all over the place and didn't want to have to install extra cables to remote parts of the school. The nx client connects over the same network as the rest of the school network. It was for me cheaper and easer to upgrade some of the core switches to gigabit instead. Thanks Theo Turner From robark at gmail.com Fri Dec 8 18:56:55 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:56:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Automatic user logout script? In-Reply-To: <4579722B.2050300@maltzen.net> References: <1165548714.4734.8.camel@penguin.anderson.local> <4579722B.2050300@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On 12/8/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > How about this: > > #!/bin/bash > for ID in $(awk -F: '$3 >= 500 {print $1}') shouldn't that be for ID in $(awk -F: '$3 >= 500 {print $1}' /etc/passwd) > do > pkill $ID > done > > Put this into a file, make it executable (chmod +x), and then set root's crontab to run > it at, say 5pm. Fedora defaults to starting user UID numbers at 500 and going up from > there, so we avoid killing any system processes. > > Petre > > Jim Anderson wrote: > > Is there a script available to automatically log out users at the end of > > the day from K12LTSP? I have users that tend to leave while still > > logged in. Relatedly, is there a way to force a logout remotely from a > > terminal prompt as root? > > > > K12LTSP v.5.0 > > Dell Pentium D 2.8 GHz, 2 GB RAM > > 24 GX1 clients > > > > Jim > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From william at fragakis.com Fri Dec 8 19:09:09 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 14:09:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Autologin not working In-Reply-To: <20061208135855.8062A7313E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061208135855.8062A7313E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1165604949.4528.287.camel@server.ltsp> stupid question Ray - is auto login not working on the client or the server? For the server to log in you have to uncomment and edit a couple of lines at the bottom. The following file works in K12ltsp 5 but the reset sessions resets and defaults to xterm. http://morrisbrandon.com/classrooms/admin/BeeBoard/Server% 20Files/kdmrc_desktop_server note that you have to change the usernames towards the bottom to match your scheme and that this requires static IPs or IPs for a long lease time as you have to assign a particular workstation to a particular user. regards, William On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 08:58 -0500, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > Message: 14 > Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 16:45:37 -0600 > From: Ray Garza > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Autologin not working > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <200612071645.37383.ray at mission.lib.tx.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thanks for the info guys but it is still not working. I can make > changes to > the kdmrc.ltsp (such as using a Greeting) file reboot and no changes > show up. > I just get the Fedora logo in the center of the screen with the > Username and > Password box's. On the bottom left of the screen I have Session Type > and Menu > and on the Bottom right I have the domain and date/time. The greeting > doesn't > show up. So that tells me that file is not being looked at. > > I think what'll do and wipe the server clean and start over. No big > deal as > this is not a production box, just a small server and 1 client setup > to test > things out with. > > Thanks for the help. > > -ray From petre at maltzen.net Fri Dec 8 19:17:38 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 13:17:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Automatic user logout script? In-Reply-To: References: <1165548714.4734.8.camel@penguin.anderson.local> <4579722B.2050300@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4579BA52.8090702@maltzen.net> Yes, it should! And here I had the gall--the gall!--to suggest to my son that he check his homework before handing it in to his teacher. ;-) Thanks Robert. Petre Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 12/8/06, Petre Scheie wrote: >> How about this: >> >> #!/bin/bash >> for ID in $(awk -F: '$3 >= 500 {print $1}') > > shouldn't that be > > for ID in $(awk -F: '$3 >= 500 {print $1}' /etc/passwd) > >> do >> pkill $ID >> done >> >> Put this into a file, make it executable (chmod +x), and then set >> root's crontab to run >> it at, say 5pm. Fedora defaults to starting user UID numbers at 500 >> and going up from >> there, so we avoid killing any system processes. >> >> Petre >> >> Jim Anderson wrote: >> > Is there a script available to automatically log out users at the >> end of >> > the day from K12LTSP? I have users that tend to leave while still >> > logged in. Relatedly, is there a way to force a logout remotely from a >> > terminal prompt as root? >> > >> > K12LTSP v.5.0 >> > Dell Pentium D 2.8 GHz, 2 GB RAM >> > 24 GX1 clients >> > >> > Jim >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > From netman1 at optonline.net Fri Dec 8 19:37:49 2006 From: netman1 at optonline.net (Jim Anderson) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 14:37:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Disabling screen saver? In-Reply-To: <457974F6.3060501@maltzen.net> References: <1165549049.4734.15.camel@penguin.anderson.local> <457974F6.3060501@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1165606669.8327.1.camel@penguin.anderson.local> Thank you, Petre. I'm going to try this out next week when I'm back at the room. Jim On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 08:21 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > To turn off the password lock on the screensaver, install the gconf-editor ('yum install > gconf-editor'). Then, in gconf-editor, go to apps->gnome-screensaver, uncheck > 'lock_enabled'. Then, right-click on lock_enabled and choose 'mandatory' to force this > change on all users. If you make it 'default' it will set it that way as the default, > but it won't prevent some smart-alec kid from turning the lock on his screensaver back > on; 'mandatory' prevents this. > > To remotely logout users, run fl_teachertool. Note that you have to do a tiny bit of > configuration to allow anyone other than root to logout users. Google for teachertool > and you'll get Robert Arkiletian's page that includes the steps to set that up (he wrote > it). > > Petre > > > > Jim Anderson wrote: > > Is there a way to globally disable the screensavers for all users in > > K12LTSP? Some of my users leave the computer room without logging out > > and other users cannot log in unless the terminal is rebooted. I would > > like to also remotely log out users so that there is not promlem with > > locked files/runaway processes that cause problems for other users. > > > > K12LTSP v.5.0 > > Dell Pentium D 2.8 GHz, 2 GB RAM > > 24 GX1 clients > > > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From netman1 at optonline.net Fri Dec 8 19:40:15 2006 From: netman1 at optonline.net (Jim Anderson) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 14:40:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Automatic user logout script? In-Reply-To: <4579BA52.8090702@maltzen.net> References: <1165548714.4734.8.camel@penguin.anderson.local> <4579722B.2050300@maltzen.net> <4579BA52.8090702@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1165606815.8327.3.camel@penguin.anderson.local> Thanks! Another problem solved courtesy of this list! Jim On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 13:17 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > Yes, it should! And here I had the gall--the gall!--to suggest to my son that he check > his homework before handing it in to his teacher. ;-) Thanks Robert. > > Petre > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > On 12/8/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > >> How about this: > >> > >> #!/bin/bash > >> for ID in $(awk -F: '$3 >= 500 {print $1}') > > > > shouldn't that be > > > > for ID in $(awk -F: '$3 >= 500 {print $1}' /etc/passwd) > > > >> do > >> pkill $ID > >> done > >> > >> Put this into a file, make it executable (chmod +x), and then set > >> root's crontab to run > >> it at, say 5pm. Fedora defaults to starting user UID numbers at 500 > >> and going up from > >> there, so we avoid killing any system processes. > >> > >> Petre > >> > >> Jim Anderson wrote: > >> > Is there a script available to automatically log out users at the > >> end of > >> > the day from K12LTSP? I have users that tend to leave while still > >> > logged in. Relatedly, is there a way to force a logout remotely from a > >> > terminal prompt as root? > >> > > >> > K12LTSP v.5.0 > >> > Dell Pentium D 2.8 GHz, 2 GB RAM > >> > 24 GX1 clients > >> > > >> > Jim > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > K12OSN mailing list > >> > K12OSN at redhat.com > >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> > For more info see > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From twolfe at sawback.com Fri Dec 8 19:40:48 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 14:40:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] My (probably really and truly) final issue with pam_mount In-Reply-To: <43080f460612071407t1d5a3a8exafee2117fb75f36d@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50611171457o76c91f87tc993e35807f142dd@mail.gmail.com> <508f42dc0612041329m35cc9c1bs27f72f8de6c7c5d5@mail.gmail.com> <20061204181319.pw6xfxe7usgcc4w4@neatmail.unh.edu> <43080f460612050620q6703ff4ax8a9fd57760a22648@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460612071407t1d5a3a8exafee2117fb75f36d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks to Mel's tip I've finally got steps 1, 2, and 3 of my active directory problem solved completely. Ok now I've got one final (yeah right) thing I'm trying to figure out. I have two user groups, teachers and students, who have their documents on two different servers. So can anyone recommend a pam_mount.conf setting that will figure things out? Or should I just write one volume mount line for each share, and let one fail and the other succeed depending on the group? Regards, Tom Wolfe From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Dec 8 20:24:04 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 12:24:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Screen Reset In-Reply-To: <43080f460612080705j20ef9549x78373d9034cf1469@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460612071806k32d661ffp5d47d890335ac9cc@mail.gmail.com> <45796F93.6060102@maltzen.net> <43080f460612080705j20ef9549x78373d9034cf1469@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4579C9E4.5060304@paasda.org> I've had that when I was logged in as 'root' at the server and then logged in and subsequently out as 'root' on a client. --Huck Mel Wade wrote: > I've rebooted the server, but the problem is still there. > > The cause is consistently reproducable on our server.. We click logout > on the client and have an immediate problem at the console. > > On 12/8/06, *Petre Scheie* > wrote: > > Not sure if it's related but I've seen something similar start > happening after I've > restarted GDM a time or two on the server (because I'm, say, fooling > around with > autologin changes). Usually, I can get back to the server's GUI by > pressing > Ctrl-Alt-F7. Rebooting the server causes those problems to cease. > > Petre > > Mel Wade wrote: > > What would cause my screen to reset. > > > > any time someone click "Logout" and brings up the logout screen > on the > > client, the server screen resets. I get this error in the logs: > > > > Dec 7 18:04:29 libraryltsp gdm[9033]: Display :0 is busy. There is > > another X server running already. > > Dec 7 18:04:32 libraryltsp gdm[9033]: Display :0 is busy. There is > > another X server running already. > > Dec 7 18:04:35 libraryltsp gdm[9033]: gdm_server_start: Display :0 > > busy. Trying another display number. > > Dec 7 18:04:35 libraryltsp kernel: mtrr: type mismatch for > > d0000000,1000000 old: uncachable new: write-combining > > Dec 7 18:05:15 libraryltsp gdm[9006]: QUERY_VT request denied: Not > > authenticated > > > > -- > > Mel Wade > > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men > do." - > > BF Skinner > > http://www.melwade.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From robark at gmail.com Fri Dec 8 22:44:42 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 14:44:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Control In-Reply-To: <20061207133546.jahn07jgz4o8w840@neatmail.unh.edu> References: <43080f460612070849u5bd2b9e7x138b24ff64b101@mail.gmail.com> <4578555D.1030807@paasda.org> <43080f460612070958o423d5b02x647e35615b06ee66@mail.gmail.com> <20061207133546.jahn07jgz4o8w840@neatmail.unh.edu> Message-ID: On 12/7/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > Mel, > > I have used both Sabayon and Pessulus numerous times and I have to tell > you that there is a catch. If the users that are logging into your thin > clients are authenticating against Windows Active Directory, both > programs are useless and I can't currently find a program that will > work. If the accounts are on your LTSP Server/Samba server then these > programs will work well. In our district, all of our students currently > authenticate against Windows ADS 2003 and Sabayon will not work. If > anyone has a different experience please do let me know how you do it. > Just wanted to inform you. Thanks. > > -Paul I use IceWM and manually edit the preferences and menu files to lock the system down. It's not foolproof but seems to be good enough. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From pnelson.k12 at gmail.com Sat Dec 9 00:22:00 2006 From: pnelson.k12 at gmail.com (Paul Nelson) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 16:22:00 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Hello In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <508f42dc0612081622r3cc897c4u49f50d47a09b48f8@mail.gmail.com> Hi Henry, I'd be happy to help out. In fact, since you are in a school district that I support, you can call me and ask for help anytime! Be sure to checkout the online digital photo course at: http://nwonline.nwresd.org/course/view.php?id=2 I can create a moodle course for you on the NWRESD server and you can have your students participate online. ;-) Paul Nelson (503)614-1478 On 12/5/06, Henry Schaechterle wrote: > > I've just joined this email list and thought I should do a quick intro. > After about 20yrs in hi-tek (16 at Intel R+D --- Desktop R+D) I decided it > was time to bail out of my cube and do something else. I'm now starting my > 3rd month at Sunset High School in the Beaverton School District located in > Beaverton Oregon. I came in as an Instructional Assistant (primarily to > provide tech support) - but after 2 months they moved me into the Tech > Facilitator role as that person was moving into a Dept. chair role. > > Any way I'm having a lot of fun doing basic support (we're 85% Macs - rest > are PCs) - learning the ropes on how they network and other processes - and > doing a lot of organization etc. While I was doing engineering level work at > Intel - that is so different from handling support and network activities > ---- as I'm sure you all know. > > As to my Linux experience - I've been installing and playing around with > SUSE - Mandriva - Ubuntu - and Fedora Core 6 over the past 6 months at home. > Just loading and testing the desktop environments --- I have a bit of a > grasp of the basics -- but I am not a hard-core terminal guy or system hack. > > My goal here is to build a digital media server using Linux - digital media > server is probably not the correct term, but the primary use of this server > will be for students learning digital photography - digital video - and to > support our school year book production and publishing. So it will be > storing and serving a lot of digital media. > > I've already down loaded and imaged onto CDROMs K12 LTSP 5.0. And step one > is to load that onto a test box here and play with the server side of things > - maybe build a small test network with a PC and a Mac on it. > > The larger plan is to build the actual server in January and slowly take it > on-line slowly adding classes and students. I'll certainly be looking for > any input on how to build the server. > > Well so much for my "short" intro - I thank you for all your help in > advance > > > Henry Schaechterle > Tech Facilitator > Sunset High School > 503 259-5050 > x2410 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Sat Dec 9 07:27:46 2006 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 20:27:46 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and PXE with two different Class of IP In-Reply-To: <20061208170022.38CDD7348D@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061208170022.38CDD7348D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1165649267.2463.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi David, That's the kicker. The K12LTSP internal nic WILL be on the same physical network as the MS Class B dhcp server. My gut instinct is to modify K12LTSP to work with the CLASS B addresses. In other words let the MS DHCP server dish out the addresses. BUT as I have read here in the past, this poses a problem with redirecting PXE requests to the K12LTSP server. Or has this issue been resolved? Bearing in mind I might not be allowed to make changes to the MS DHCP server, I was looking for an alternative. Unfortunately, the terminals will be spread ALL OVER campus, not in a single lab where I could throw in another switch and repatch the lab machines onto that switch. :-( So if anyone has run into a similar situation I would appreciates some pointers. At this stage I don't even know the full layout of the network. Thanks again David, and the list. Bert Rolston > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 09:00:32 -0500 > From: "David Whitmer" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] DHCP and PXE with two different Class of IP > address > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 12/7/06, Bert Rolston wrote: > > Thanks John, > > > > > > > > But back to the question. > > > > So what you were saying earlier is that on the K12LTSP server I set up > > - 1 NIC with a Class B address that matches their scheme, > > connected to their physical media > > - 1 NIC with the standard K12LTSP Class C scheme connected to > > the same physical media, through the same switch > > > > This should satisfy my customer's criteria. > > > > What will the MS DHCP server do when a PXE request comes from the old > > hardware? > > > > I may be answering my own question, as I understand things MS DHCP will > > ignore the request. Is that the case? > > > > As for the LTSP DHCP server, I take it I can tell it to IGNORE any DHCP > > requests from a host with an MS operating system. > > > > Thanks for your time. > > > > Cheers, > > Bert > > > > > Bert, > > As long as the PXE-booting computers are connected to the same > physical network connected to the K12LTSP server's "internal" NIC, the > PXE request will stop at that server and not go out to your class B > network. > > Also, the NIC connected to the class B network will not be running > DHCP service... the K12LTSP server by default only runs that for the > internal network NIC. > > In your e-mail, it looks like you're planning to connect both of the > NICs in the K12LTSP server into the same network switch. That will > cause you problems. The default K12LTSP setup is meant to have the > server act as a gateway/router between two physical networks, one for > your thin client (PXE booting) computers, and the other your main > network. > > David Whitmer > > Director of Media & Technology > Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) > web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org > email: thewhitmers at gmail.com > > > From Theo.Turner at CumnorHouse.com Sat Dec 9 10:01:33 2006 From: Theo.Turner at CumnorHouse.com (Theo Turner) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 10:01:33 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and PXE with two different Class of IP Message-ID: <2A05A29A9916524F969FFB1FA042BFC342D550@server.CumnorHouse.local> I know the problem well of a spread out network needing clients over the same lan cabling as the existing network. This is the solution I have in place at the moment. I am using a K12LTSP V5 with a fairly standard install. I.e it has 2 nics and is set up for LTSP, but I don't actually plug anything into the client nic. I connect all my clients using the nx client. Another reason I do this is because I have this set up in a school that is still very dependant on windows. I have so far half converted the preprep. So I need to have the ICT lab capable of switching from Windows to Linux and back very quick. My solution is to use the free nx server on the K12 box and then use the windows client. To make this kidy friendly I have changed the windows GUI for a user called 'kid' to a custom one I modified from some downloaded vb source code. When this user logs on they have a logoff button at the bottom of the screen and an Icon to launch the nx client with the settings and password already entered. This complete log on (windows and nx) takes 15seconds even when a class of 20 come in at once. Everything works great, screen refresh is fast, much faster than VNC even over local network. Even sound works so everyone is happy. I have joined the K12 box to the windows 2K domain so staff can access their network documents etc. But the preprep children's accounts are local so as not to make the system dependant on the windows domain at all. This side of the system works brilliantly and bar a niggle or two over a couple of specific apps I am very pleased. Using a linux based client has so far defeated me in terms of sound. But I haven't spent long on it yet and was hoping for some help from this list. I did upgrade a couple of the backbone switches to gigabit to ensure enough bandwidth although I am fairly sure everything would have continued much the same without it. Good luck, I hope something here helps Theo Turner -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bert Rolston Sent: 09 December 2006 07:28 To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] DHCP and PXE with two different Class of IP Hi David, That's the kicker. The K12LTSP internal nic WILL be on the same physical network as the MS Class B dhcp server. My gut instinct is to modify K12LTSP to work with the CLASS B addresses. In other words let the MS DHCP server dish out the addresses. BUT as I have read here in the past, this poses a problem with redirecting PXE requests to the K12LTSP server. Or has this issue been resolved? Bearing in mind I might not be allowed to make changes to the MS DHCP server, I was looking for an alternative. Unfortunately, the terminals will be spread ALL OVER campus, not in a single lab where I could throw in another switch and repatch the lab machines onto that switch. :-( So if anyone has run into a similar situation I would appreciates some pointers. At this stage I don't even know the full layout of the network. Thanks again David, and the list. Bert Rolston > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 09:00:32 -0500 > From: "David Whitmer" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] DHCP and PXE with two different Class of IP > address > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 12/7/06, Bert Rolston wrote: > > Thanks John, > > > > > > > > But back to the question. > > > > So what you were saying earlier is that on the K12LTSP server I set up > > - 1 NIC with a Class B address that matches their scheme, > > connected to their physical media > > - 1 NIC with the standard K12LTSP Class C scheme connected to > > the same physical media, through the same switch > > > > This should satisfy my customer's criteria. > > > > What will the MS DHCP server do when a PXE request comes from the old > > hardware? > > > > I may be answering my own question, as I understand things MS DHCP will > > ignore the request. Is that the case? > > > > As for the LTSP DHCP server, I take it I can tell it to IGNORE any DHCP > > requests from a host with an MS operating system. > > > > Thanks for your time. > > > > Cheers, > > Bert > > > > > Bert, > > As long as the PXE-booting computers are connected to the same > physical network connected to the K12LTSP server's "internal" NIC, the > PXE request will stop at that server and not go out to your class B > network. > > Also, the NIC connected to the class B network will not be running > DHCP service... the K12LTSP server by default only runs that for the > internal network NIC. > > In your e-mail, it looks like you're planning to connect both of the > NICs in the K12LTSP server into the same network switch. That will > cause you problems. The default K12LTSP setup is meant to have the > server act as a gateway/router between two physical networks, one for > your thin client (PXE booting) computers, and the other your main > network. > > David Whitmer > > Director of Media & Technology > Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) > web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org > email: thewhitmers at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From thewhitmers at gmail.com Sat Dec 9 14:47:53 2006 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 09:47:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Using NX as a client solution - Problem with sound. In-Reply-To: <2A05A29A9916524F969FFB1FA042BFC342D54F@server.CumnorHouse.local> References: <2A05A29A9916524F969FFB1FA042BFC342D54F@server.CumnorHouse.local> Message-ID: On 12/8/06, Theo Turner wrote: > I asked this a little while ago and got no reply but later found half my > email was being swallowed as 'spam'. So I'll ask again and hopefully > more clearly. > > I am using a K12LTSP V5 with a fairly standard install. I.e it has 2 > nics and is set up for LTSP, but I don't actually plug anything into the > client nic. I connect all my clients using the nx client. I do this > because I have this set up in a school that is still very dependant on > windows. I have so far half converted the preprep. So I need to have the > ICT lab capable of switching from Windows to Linux and back very quick. > > My solution is to use the free nx server on the K12 box and then use the > windows client. To make this kidy friendly I have changed the windows > GUI for a user called 'kid' to a custom one I modified from so > downloaded vb source code. When this user logs on they have a logoff > button at the bottom of the screen and an Icon to launch the nx client > with the settings and password already entered. This log on takes > 15seconds even when a class of 20 come in at once. Everything works > great, screen refresh is fast, much faster than VNC even over local > network. Even sound works so everyone is happy. I have joined the K12 > box to the windows 2K domain so staff can access their network documents > etc. But the preprep children's accounts are local so as not to make the > system dependant on the windows domain at all. This side of the system > works brilliantly and bar a niggle or two over a couple of specific apps > I am very pleased. > > I have a problem though when I try to do the same thing using a Linux > machine as the client. I want to have knopptix installed to some old > PC's that were donated and use these as clients to access the K12 > desktop in the same way as the windows PC's do. All works except sound! > I have no idea why it doesn't work as local sound is working fine. If > anyone can think of anything on this one I would be greatful. > > For info the biggest reason I had for not using the standard LTSP client > model is that this required me to reach each client with a network > connection run from this server. I have a sprawling network and need > clients all over the place and didn't want to have to install extra > cables to remote parts of the school. The nx client connects over the > same network as the rest of the school network. It was for me cheaper > and easer to upgrade some of the core switches to gigabit instead. > > Thanks > > Theo Turner > Theo, I'm assuming you're using NoMachine's Linux client. I think I once read, either in their web site's knowledgebase or on the freenx mail list archives, that sound doesn't work for the Linux NX client. Though, I read that over a year ago. David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org email: thewhitmers at gmail.com From ahodson at elp.rr.com Sat Dec 9 14:52:26 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan Hodson) Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 07:52:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] When keeping login records... In-Reply-To: <45798ABA.7090400@maltzen.net> References: <45798ABA.7090400@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1165675946.3664.6.camel@HodsonNet1> Looks very doable - thanks Petre. What would it take to turn this into a small application (who-log) that could be turned on and off as needed? I am thinking of a teacher that knows s/he is going to be absent, tels the sub not to allow anybody on the system, but then has the undeniable evidence if the request is disregarded...not that we don't trust subs or kids. Cheers Alan El Paso TX -=o=- On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 09:54 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > How about a script that greps for today's date in /var/log/messages--I think that's > where vsftpd logs to--and pipe that to awk for records where field 5 equals vsftpd ($5 > /vsftpd/), and pipe that to awk to select the user ID from the respective field, and > redirect the output to append to a file. Something like this: > > TODAY=$(date '+%b %e') > grep "^$TODAY" /var/log/messages | awk '$5 ~ /vsftpd/ {print $10}' > > I'm assuming here that the user ID is in field 10 in the vsftpd records > /var/log/messages; I don't run vsftpd anywhere so I can't check it. Just change the > variable number to match what is in /var/log/messages. > > Petre > > ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > > Hi list > > > > I am curious to learn from experienced users, when individual login > > records need to be kept, what are the most popular ways of doing so? I > > am in need of a daily list of who logged into a server (via ftp) so I > > can back up their work. > > > > Cheers > > > > Alan Hodson > > El Paso ISD, TX > > http://links.episd.org/ > > -=o=- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Sat Dec 9 16:21:40 2006 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 12:21:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and PXE with two different Class of IP address In-Reply-To: <1165550944.2495.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1165467531.5355.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200612072218.39094.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <1165550944.2495.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200612091221.40355.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> No, you can't put two LANs on the same switch unless the switch has a least two VLANs in it (LANs by definition are separate entities, more than one LAN connected through routes is called an internetwork, with a small "i"). I sent a fuller reply directly to you (I forgot to include the list) on some alternatives; but basically if you can't make changes to the net and you can't change the DHCP service, then you won't be able to run diskless terminals on the "one big net". This is not a technology problem but a political/bureaucratic one. On Friday 08 December 2006 00:09, Bert Rolston wrote: > Thanks John, > > The fact is THEY ARE having problems on the network. Their Exchange > server was misbehaving today. > > I will insist they have ALL other problems on their network resolved > BEFORE the K12LTSP server is installed. And I will be insisting on GOOD > server grade hardware. > > This site had a Samba server that was installed on old hardware, with > command line only administration. After the tech that set it up moved to > a new job a hard drive failed. People blamed Linux and said it wasn't up > to the job. > > I've seen one installation on another site removed because LINUX was > blamed for network problems. The culprit was a Win95 proxy server with a > failing hard drive. > > But back to the question. > > So what you were saying earlier is that on the K12LTSP server I set up > - 1 NIC with a Class B address that matches their scheme, > connected to their physical media > - 1 NIC with the standard K12LTSP Class C scheme connected to > the same physical media, through the same switch > > This should satisfy my customer's criteria. > > What will the MS DHCP server do when a PXE request comes from the old > hardware? > > I may be answering my own question, as I understand things MS DHCP will > ignore the request. Is that the case? > > As for the LTSP DHCP server, I take it I can tell it to IGNORE any DHCP > requests from a host with an MS operating system. > > Thanks for your time. > > Cheers, > Bert > > On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 22:18 -0400, John Lucas wrote: > > Well you should be able to set up the LTSP server as a NAT firewall > > through IPTables, or use a hardware NAT firewall in front of the server; > > that way you can hide the terminals behind the server's IP address and > > still make no changes to the rest of the network, while still enabling > > you to run your own DHCP server for the terminals. > > > > BTW, a single net class B means that *all* hosts are in the same > > broadcast domain. If you have over 250 hosts on that net, that is a lot > > of broadcast traffic, one chattering NIC and the entire net feels the > > pain. I wouldn't want to be a network support tech on that net if > > anything goes wrong; that isn't the most robust net design. A netmask of > > 20 bits would allow 16 subnets of 1024 hosts each and allow sub-dividing > > the broadcast domain and isolate traffic behind routers (as well as allow > > special subnets like yours without resorting to NAT). > > > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 16:44, Bert Rolston wrote: > > > Hi John, > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > > The reason they went to a Class B scheme was to overcome the 254 host > > > limit. > > > > > > They are using a /16 subnet mask. > > > > > > The network in question is at a small tertiary educational > > > establishment. It provides courses in business studies ( 1 lab), > > > animation ( 2 labs), certificate in television production, christian > > > ministry and counselling courses. Also running on the same network are > > > campus admin, a small regional TV station, TV production and marketing > > > company, an animation studio with render farm. > > > > > > Thanks for your time, > > > Bert > > > > > > On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 12:54 -0400, John Lucas wrote: > > > > You mentioned that the current network is using a class B address > > > > scheme, but is that address space sub-divided? What netmask is being > > > > used? > > > > > > > > Almost no one with a class B uses the 16-bit netmask; use of a 24-bit > > > > netmask divides the single network into up, to 254 subnets of up to > > > > 254 hosts each (a more useful scheme). Assuming that a 24-bit (or > > > > larger) netmask *is* being used, how about creating a new private > > > > (class-C sized) subnet on one NIC in an LTSP server, and have another > > > > NIC attached to the existing network? This allows the terminals to > > > > use > > > > DHCP/tftp/PXE/etherboot from the LTSP server and still access the MS > > > > Terminal server (using rdesktop) without changing the existing > > > > network (save for the addition of the new LTSP server and it's > > > > terminals). In this scenario the LTSP server could be used as a > > > > router (for terminals running rdesktop sessions), or as a dual-homed > > > > host (running rdesktop from the LTSP server itself). > > > > > > > > My choice would be to run rdesktop on the terminal (via the SCREEN_x > > > > directive in lts.conf). This allows sound to be re-directed from the > > > > MS TC to the terminal and preseves the ability to run Linux on the > > > > LTSP server (via a separate SCREEN_x directive). Thin clients are far > > > > simpler to maintain than stand-alone PCs. > > > > > > > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 00:58, you wrote: > > > > > Hey folks, > > > > > > > > > > I know this little chestnut has been chewed over many times on this > > > > > list. I don't remember my situation coming up. So first I'll > > > > > describe the environment. > > > > > > > > > > ======================= > > > > > The current environment > > > > > ======================= > > > > > > > > > > An MS Network with AD, terminal server and MS DHCP server with > > > > > CLASS B IP address scheme. > > > > > > > > > > They want to revitalise their old Win 9x / NT machines and are > > > > > investigating using K12LTSP or locally installed Linux. They have a > > > > > lot of old classic to PII Pentiums which are gathering dust. > > > > > > > > > > One option is to boot the LTSP terminals in kiosk mode to access > > > > > their Windows Terminal server using the RDP client included. > > > > > > > > > > The other option is to install a lightweight Linux distro (Puppy or > > > > > DSL) on all the machines and use the RDP client that way. > > > > > > > > > > They don't want to change their existing infrastructure if at all > > > > > possible. Even making changes to their DHCP server is considered > > > > > risky by the network admin. ANY adverse impact on their existing > > > > > system is unacceptable. > > > > > > > > > > The network admin uses Ubuntu at home, but has been unable to get > > > > > any Linux computer to authenticate to the AD at work. > > > > > For that reason he only sees limited potential for Linux / OSS in > > > > > their current environment. > > > > > > > > > > Users will authenticate to their AD through Windows terminal > > > > > sessions. > > > > > > > > > > Later on they may enable access to the Linux desktop and apps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================= > > > > > My Question > > > > > ======================= > > > > > > > > > > Given that the current DHCP server issues Class B addresses. > > > > > > > > > > Can the K12LTSP DHCP server, which issues Class C addresses > > > > > - co-exist on the same physical media > > > > > - handle PXE requests from the old hardware, > > > > > - and not interfere with their current setup? > > > > > > > > > > If so what changes (if any) need to be made > > > > > - on the MS DHCP server, > > > > > - their current setup > > > > > - the K12LTSP server > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Bert > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > For more info see -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Dec 9 19:58:42 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 11:58:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0.0 Release Candidate #1 In-Reply-To: <4577435D.6050902@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4575C4E0.5070303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45762438.1070808@paasda.org> <45773146.90301@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4577435D.6050902@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <457B1572.4020501@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: >> Huck wrote: > >>> also...after NOT checking that and completing the install... >>> when logging in for the first time with a user...some error about Gnome >>> applets I don't have specifics as I'm off site atm...and didn't think to >>> write down the error msg and bring it with me.. >> I'm not getting this error with all of the latest updates applied. I did >> see this the last time I tested it, I'm not sure if it is fixed by the >> updates or that I am just testing it differently. >> >> Can you double-check that you have all of the latest updates ("yum >> update" will do the trick) and see if the error goes away? > > > Problem occurs even with the latest-n-greatest patches. > > It appears to only do it the first time a user logs in. Even after a > reboot, the error message does not pop up. > > If I create a new account, the first time the user logs in they get the > error message. > > These two commands appear to fix it: export GCONF_CONFIG_SOURCE=`gconftool-2 --get-default-source` gconftool-2 --makefile-uninstall-rule /etc/gconf/schemas/mixer.schemas I'll add this to the install & build RC2... -Eric From bruce.g.anderson at gmail.com Sat Dec 9 20:22:49 2006 From: bruce.g.anderson at gmail.com (Bruce Anderson) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 12:22:49 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Installation Westmont High School Message-ID: <6583c9ed0612091222w6c56dba0qed8539b186b36e58@mail.gmail.com> I think I did a pretty default installation of K12LTSP version 4.4.1 from CDs on a VALinux 1220 (dual 800 MHz PIIIs with 2048MB and two 18 GB scsci drives). I installed an Aopen AON-325 network card from DisklessWorkstations.com on a VALinux 420 (700 MHz Celeron). It takes my new LTSP server a long time to boot -- there are various messages that the BIOS is too old, MPBIOS bug, agpgart: unable to determine aperture size, etc., -- it spends a long time at TFTP ..... and says PXE-E32 TFTP open timeout -- but it finally boots linux and all the indicators are OK and green. On the server, tail -f messages displays repeated DHCPDISCOVERS and DHCPOFFERS while the client says it is "Searching for server (DHCP)..." I added a next-server line to the default dhcpd.conf -- it didn't seem to make any difference. Attached are dhcpd.conf, dmesg, and messages. Thanks, Bruce Anderson Room 44 Westmont High School 4805 Westmont Avenue Campbell, CA 95008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's a matter of soothing jangling nerves and assuring them any change will have minimal impact, be easy to back out of, and won't bring anything down in a screaming heap. This is based on the assumption that ALL current issues are resolved. So what would be the impact on their current network setup by adding the necessary lines to their DHCP server? As I understand it this shouldn't have any effect on their network whatsoever. The lines will only determine how their DHCP server handles PXE requests. In other words, it SHOULD NOT introduce any extra instability to the network. Or could this effect their WinCE based 'slim' clients? It is my belief that they use RDP, which wouldn't be effectd. Thanks again for everyone's input. Cheers, Bert On Sat, 2006-12-09 at 12:21 -0400, John Lucas wrote: > No, you can't put two LANs on the same switch unless the switch has a least > two VLANs in it (LANs by definition are separate entities, more than one LAN > connected through routes is called an internetwork, with a small "i"). > > I sent a fuller reply directly to you (I forgot to include the list) on some > alternatives; but basically if you can't make changes to the net and you > can't change the DHCP service, then you won't be able to run diskless > terminals on the "one big net". This is not a technology problem but a > political/bureaucratic one. > > On Friday 08 December 2006 00:09, Bert Rolston wrote: > > Thanks John, > > > > The fact is THEY ARE having problems on the network. Their Exchange > > server was misbehaving today. > > > > I will insist they have ALL other problems on their network resolved > > BEFORE the K12LTSP server is installed. And I will be insisting on GOOD > > server grade hardware. > > > > This site had a Samba server that was installed on old hardware, with > > command line only administration. After the tech that set it up moved to > > a new job a hard drive failed. People blamed Linux and said it wasn't up > > to the job. > > > > I've seen one installation on another site removed because LINUX was > > blamed for network problems. The culprit was a Win95 proxy server with a > > failing hard drive. > > > > But back to the question. > > > > So what you were saying earlier is that on the K12LTSP server I set up > > - 1 NIC with a Class B address that matches their scheme, > > connected to their physical media > > - 1 NIC with the standard K12LTSP Class C scheme connected to > > the same physical media, through the same switch > > > > This should satisfy my customer's criteria. > > > > What will the MS DHCP server do when a PXE request comes from the old > > hardware? > > > > I may be answering my own question, as I understand things MS DHCP will > > ignore the request. Is that the case? > > > > As for the LTSP DHCP server, I take it I can tell it to IGNORE any DHCP > > requests from a host with an MS operating system. > > > > Thanks for your time. > > > > Cheers, > > Bert > > > > On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 22:18 -0400, John Lucas wrote: > > > Well you should be able to set up the LTSP server as a NAT firewall > > > through IPTables, or use a hardware NAT firewall in front of the server; > > > that way you can hide the terminals behind the server's IP address and > > > still make no changes to the rest of the network, while still enabling > > > you to run your own DHCP server for the terminals. > > > > > > BTW, a single net class B means that *all* hosts are in the same > > > broadcast domain. If you have over 250 hosts on that net, that is a lot > > > of broadcast traffic, one chattering NIC and the entire net feels the > > > pain. I wouldn't want to be a network support tech on that net if > > > anything goes wrong; that isn't the most robust net design. A netmask of > > > 20 bits would allow 16 subnets of 1024 hosts each and allow sub-dividing > > > the broadcast domain and isolate traffic behind routers (as well as allow > > > special subnets like yours without resorting to NAT). > > > > > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 16:44, Bert Rolston wrote: > > > > Hi John, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > > > > The reason they went to a Class B scheme was to overcome the 254 host > > > > limit. > > > > > > > > They are using a /16 subnet mask. > > > > > > > > The network in question is at a small tertiary educational > > > > establishment. It provides courses in business studies ( 1 lab), > > > > animation ( 2 labs), certificate in television production, christian > > > > ministry and counselling courses. Also running on the same network are > > > > campus admin, a small regional TV station, TV production and marketing > > > > company, an animation studio with render farm. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your time, > > > > Bert > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 12:54 -0400, John Lucas wrote: > > > > > You mentioned that the current network is using a class B address > > > > > scheme, but is that address space sub-divided? What netmask is being > > > > > used? > > > > > > > > > > Almost no one with a class B uses the 16-bit netmask; use of a 24-bit > > > > > netmask divides the single network into up, to 254 subnets of up to > > > > > 254 hosts each (a more useful scheme). Assuming that a 24-bit (or > > > > > larger) netmask *is* being used, how about creating a new private > > > > > (class-C sized) subnet on one NIC in an LTSP server, and have another > > > > > NIC attached to the existing network? This allows the terminals to > > > > > use > > > > > DHCP/tftp/PXE/etherboot from the LTSP server and still access the MS > > > > > Terminal server (using rdesktop) without changing the existing > > > > > network (save for the addition of the new LTSP server and it's > > > > > terminals). In this scenario the LTSP server could be used as a > > > > > router (for terminals running rdesktop sessions), or as a dual-homed > > > > > host (running rdesktop from the LTSP server itself). > > > > > > > > > > My choice would be to run rdesktop on the terminal (via the SCREEN_x > > > > > directive in lts.conf). This allows sound to be re-directed from the > > > > > MS TC to the terminal and preseves the ability to run Linux on the > > > > > LTSP server (via a separate SCREEN_x directive). Thin clients are far > > > > > simpler to maintain than stand-alone PCs. > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 00:58, you wrote: > > > > > > Hey folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > I know this little chestnut has been chewed over many times on this > > > > > > list. I don't remember my situation coming up. So first I'll > > > > > > describe the environment. > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================= > > > > > > The current environment > > > > > > ======================= > > > > > > > > > > > > An MS Network with AD, terminal server and MS DHCP server with > > > > > > CLASS B IP address scheme. > > > > > > > > > > > > They want to revitalise their old Win 9x / NT machines and are > > > > > > investigating using K12LTSP or locally installed Linux. They have a > > > > > > lot of old classic to PII Pentiums which are gathering dust. > > > > > > > > > > > > One option is to boot the LTSP terminals in kiosk mode to access > > > > > > their Windows Terminal server using the RDP client included. > > > > > > > > > > > > The other option is to install a lightweight Linux distro (Puppy or > > > > > > DSL) on all the machines and use the RDP client that way. > > > > > > > > > > > > They don't want to change their existing infrastructure if at all > > > > > > possible. Even making changes to their DHCP server is considered > > > > > > risky by the network admin. ANY adverse impact on their existing > > > > > > system is unacceptable. > > > > > > > > > > > > The network admin uses Ubuntu at home, but has been unable to get > > > > > > any Linux computer to authenticate to the AD at work. > > > > > > For that reason he only sees limited potential for Linux / OSS in > > > > > > their current environment. > > > > > > > > > > > > Users will authenticate to their AD through Windows terminal > > > > > > sessions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Later on they may enable access to the Linux desktop and apps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================= > > > > > > My Question > > > > > > ======================= > > > > > > > > > > > > Given that the current DHCP server issues Class B addresses. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can the K12LTSP DHCP server, which issues Class C addresses > > > > > > - co-exist on the same physical media > > > > > > - handle PXE requests from the old hardware, > > > > > > - and not interfere with their current setup? > > > > > > > > > > > > If so what changes (if any) need to be made > > > > > > - on the MS DHCP server, > > > > > > - their current setup > > > > > > - the K12LTSP server > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Bert > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > > For more info see > > -- > "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." > - Mark Twain > > | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | > | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | > | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Sat Dec 9 21:16:27 2006 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 17:16:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and PXE with two different Class of IP address In-Reply-To: <1165697341.4262.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1165467531.5355.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200612091221.40355.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <1165697341.4262.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200612091716.27901.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Assuming that you can get all you need from the Windows DHCP service configured, and that the IPs are statically assigned (by MAC address), then there should be no impact from DHCP per se. In your initial posts, you made it sound as if modifying the main DHCP service was an unlikely possibility. Are there truly no routers on the inside of your network? If true this would eliminate the need for DHCP forwarding agents and simplify routing back to the LTSP server :-} The impact on the net will be a huge jump in traffic: NFS, and X traffic primarily. RDP and ICA are less bandwidth intensive than X traffic. On a busy net with poor traffic isolation (like an unsegmented class B), this could be detrimental. TFTP traffic uses UDP for transport, and this is sensitive to any network shortcomings (e.g. noise and latency) too. Hey, you never know 'til you try :-} On Saturday 09 December 2006 1:49, Bert Rolston wrote: > Thanks John. > > I knew it would be a political issue more than technical. > > Fortunately there is a good relationship with other parties. It's a > matter of soothing jangling nerves and assuring them any change will > have minimal impact, be easy to back out of, and won't bring anything > down in a screaming heap. > This is based on the assumption that ALL current issues are resolved. > > So what would be the impact on their current network setup by adding the > necessary lines to their DHCP server? > > As I understand it this shouldn't have any effect on their network > whatsoever. The lines will only determine how their DHCP server handles > PXE requests. In other words, it SHOULD NOT introduce any extra > instability to the network. > > Or could this effect their WinCE based 'slim' clients? It is my belief > that they use RDP, which wouldn't be effectd. > > Thanks again for everyone's input. > > Cheers, > Bert > > On Sat, 2006-12-09 at 12:21 -0400, John Lucas wrote: > > No, you can't put two LANs on the same switch unless the switch has a > > least two VLANs in it (LANs by definition are separate entities, more > > than one LAN connected through routes is called an internetwork, with a > > small "i"). > > > > I sent a fuller reply directly to you (I forgot to include the list) on > > some alternatives; but basically if you can't make changes to the net and > > you can't change the DHCP service, then you won't be able to run diskless > > terminals on the "one big net". This is not a technology problem but a > > political/bureaucratic one. > > > > On Friday 08 December 2006 00:09, Bert Rolston wrote: > > > Thanks John, > > > > > > The fact is THEY ARE having problems on the network. Their Exchange > > > server was misbehaving today. > > > > > > I will insist they have ALL other problems on their network resolved > > > BEFORE the K12LTSP server is installed. And I will be insisting on GOOD > > > server grade hardware. > > > > > > This site had a Samba server that was installed on old hardware, with > > > command line only administration. After the tech that set it up moved > > > to a new job a hard drive failed. People blamed Linux and said it > > > wasn't up to the job. > > > > > > I've seen one installation on another site removed because LINUX was > > > blamed for network problems. The culprit was a Win95 proxy server with > > > a failing hard drive. > > > > > > But back to the question. > > > > > > So what you were saying earlier is that on the K12LTSP server I set up > > > - 1 NIC with a Class B address that matches their scheme, > > > connected to their physical media > > > - 1 NIC with the standard K12LTSP Class C scheme connected to > > > the same physical media, through the same switch > > > > > > This should satisfy my customer's criteria. > > > > > > What will the MS DHCP server do when a PXE request comes from the old > > > hardware? > > > > > > I may be answering my own question, as I understand things MS DHCP will > > > ignore the request. Is that the case? > > > > > > As for the LTSP DHCP server, I take it I can tell it to IGNORE any DHCP > > > requests from a host with an MS operating system. > > > > > > Thanks for your time. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Bert > > > > > > On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 22:18 -0400, John Lucas wrote: > > > > Well you should be able to set up the LTSP server as a NAT firewall > > > > through IPTables, or use a hardware NAT firewall in front of the > > > > server; that way you can hide the terminals behind the server's IP > > > > address and still make no changes to the rest of the network, while > > > > still enabling you to run your own DHCP server for the terminals. > > > > > > > > BTW, a single net class B means that *all* hosts are in the same > > > > broadcast domain. If you have over 250 hosts on that net, that is a > > > > lot of broadcast traffic, one chattering NIC and the entire net feels > > > > the pain. I wouldn't want to be a network support tech on that net if > > > > anything goes wrong; that isn't the most robust net design. A netmask > > > > of 20 bits would allow 16 subnets of 1024 hosts each and allow > > > > sub-dividing the broadcast domain and isolate traffic behind routers > > > > (as well as allow special subnets like yours without resorting to > > > > NAT). > > > > > > > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 16:44, Bert Rolston wrote: > > > > > Hi John, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > > > > > > > The reason they went to a Class B scheme was to overcome the 254 > > > > > host limit. > > > > > > > > > > They are using a /16 subnet mask. > > > > > > > > > > The network in question is at a small tertiary educational > > > > > establishment. It provides courses in business studies ( 1 lab), > > > > > animation ( 2 labs), certificate in television production, > > > > > christian ministry and counselling courses. Also running on the > > > > > same network are campus admin, a small regional TV station, TV > > > > > production and marketing company, an animation studio with render > > > > > farm. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your time, > > > > > Bert > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2006-12-07 at 12:54 -0400, John Lucas wrote: > > > > > > You mentioned that the current network is using a class B address > > > > > > scheme, but is that address space sub-divided? What netmask is > > > > > > being used? > > > > > > > > > > > > Almost no one with a class B uses the 16-bit netmask; use of a > > > > > > 24-bit netmask divides the single network into up, to 254 subnets > > > > > > of up to 254 hosts each (a more useful scheme). Assuming that a > > > > > > 24-bit (or larger) netmask *is* being used, how about creating a > > > > > > new private (class-C sized) subnet on one NIC in an LTSP server, > > > > > > and have another NIC attached to the existing network? This > > > > > > allows the terminals to use > > > > > > DHCP/tftp/PXE/etherboot from the LTSP server and still access the > > > > > > MS Terminal server (using rdesktop) without changing the existing > > > > > > network (save for the addition of the new LTSP server and it's > > > > > > terminals). In this scenario the LTSP server could be used as a > > > > > > router (for terminals running rdesktop sessions), or as a > > > > > > dual-homed host (running rdesktop from the LTSP server itself). > > > > > > > > > > > > My choice would be to run rdesktop on the terminal (via the > > > > > > SCREEN_x directive in lts.conf). This allows sound to be > > > > > > re-directed from the MS TC to the terminal and preseves the > > > > > > ability to run Linux on the LTSP server (via a separate SCREEN_x > > > > > > directive). Thin clients are far simpler to maintain than > > > > > > stand-alone PCs. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday 07 December 2006 00:58, you wrote: > > > > > > > Hey folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know this little chestnut has been chewed over many times on > > > > > > > this list. I don't remember my situation coming up. So first > > > > > > > I'll describe the environment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================= > > > > > > > The current environment > > > > > > > ======================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An MS Network with AD, terminal server and MS DHCP server with > > > > > > > CLASS B IP address scheme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They want to revitalise their old Win 9x / NT machines and are > > > > > > > investigating using K12LTSP or locally installed Linux. They > > > > > > > have a lot of old classic to PII Pentiums which are gathering > > > > > > > dust. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One option is to boot the LTSP terminals in kiosk mode to > > > > > > > access their Windows Terminal server using the RDP client > > > > > > > included. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The other option is to install a lightweight Linux distro > > > > > > > (Puppy or DSL) on all the machines and use the RDP client that > > > > > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They don't want to change their existing infrastructure if at > > > > > > > all possible. Even making changes to their DHCP server is > > > > > > > considered risky by the network admin. ANY adverse impact on > > > > > > > their existing system is unacceptable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The network admin uses Ubuntu at home, but has been unable to > > > > > > > get any Linux computer to authenticate to the AD at work. > > > > > > > For that reason he only sees limited potential for Linux / OSS > > > > > > > in their current environment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Users will authenticate to their AD through Windows terminal > > > > > > > sessions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Later on they may enable access to the Linux desktop and apps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================= > > > > > > > My Question > > > > > > > ======================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given that the current DHCP server issues Class B addresses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can the K12LTSP DHCP server, which issues Class C addresses > > > > > > > - co-exist on the same physical media > > > > > > > - handle PXE requests from the old hardware, > > > > > > > - and not interfere with their current setup? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so what changes (if any) need to be made > > > > > > > - on the MS DHCP server, > > > > > > > - their current setup > > > > > > > - the K12LTSP server > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Bert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > > > For more info see > > > > -- > > "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." > > - Mark Twain > > > > | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com > > | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 > > | http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | 18.3?N, 65?W > > | AST (UTC-4) | -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 10 03:01:01 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 19:01:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] sound on Xubuntu/LTSP Message-ID: <323152.64172.qm@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I know this is a little off topic for this forum, but perhaps somebody here has experienced the same thing. I'm running Xubuntu as an LTSP server, and trying to get sound working on the thin clients. Xubuntu uses alsa by default. I'm using the "traditional" LTSP -- not Muekow. Questions: 1) I assume there's no way to use alsa to get sound to the thin clients, is that correct? 2) How do I go about getting esd running on the Xubuntu server, or is there a better way? Thanks in advance. -Rob ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 10 03:07:28 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 19:07:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Replacing old AGP card Message-ID: <20061210030728.35850.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Some of my thin clients have old AGP cards that cannot display 1280x1024, so I'm looking to upgrade them. How good of a card should I be looking for? I'm suspecting that my motherboard might be a limiting factor if I get too high-end of a video card. The thin clients are old PII machines. The AGP slot has a "divider" that is closer to the monitor connector than to the opposite end of the card (I know the position of the "divider" makes a difference, I'm just not sure what exactly it means). In my price range are 2x, 4x, and 8x cards with 32, 64, or 128 MB RAM. I'd like to get the best I can, without wasting money on a card that gets crippled by my motherboard. Any suggestions are welcome. -Rob ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. From sbarar at gmail.com Sun Dec 10 03:18:22 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:48:22 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Replacing old AGP card In-Reply-To: <20061210030728.35850.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061210030728.35850.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <774593a20612091918k5edfa6e4l7160152cf1ef6cbd@mail.gmail.com> On 10/12/06, Rob Owens wrote: > Some of my thin clients have old AGP cards that cannot > display 1280x1024, so I'm looking to upgrade them. [SNIP] > In my price range are 2x, 4x, and 8x cards with 32, > 64, or 128 MB RAM. I'd like to get the best I can, > without wasting money on a card that gets crippled by > my motherboard. IMHO tehnically you need just 4MB memory for 1280x1024 and run VESA driver. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From sbarar at gmail.com Sun Dec 10 03:35:37 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:05:37 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Installation Westmont High School In-Reply-To: <6583c9ed0612091222w6c56dba0qed8539b186b36e58@mail.gmail.com> References: <6583c9ed0612091222w6c56dba0qed8539b186b36e58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <774593a20612091935g5748ab95y25e16f33f03098cf@mail.gmail.com> On 10/12/06, Bruce Anderson wrote: > I think I did a pretty default installation of K12LTSP version 4.4.1 from > CDs on a VALinux 1220 (dual 800 MHz PIIIs with 2048MB and two 18 GB scsci > drives). Bruce can you describe your network and confirm you are using 100mbps switches and not hubs? > I installed an Aopen AON-325 network card from DisklessWorkstations.com on a > VALinux 420 (700 MHz Celeron). > > It takes my new LTSP server a long time to boot -- there are various > messages that the BIOS is too old, MPBIOS bug, agpgart: unable to determine > aperture size, etc., -- it spends a long time at TFTP ..... and says PXE-E32 > TFTP open timeout -- but it finally boots linux and all BIOS/MPBIOS messages are something you will have to sort out as far as LTSP is concerned the process starts only on discovery of DHCPD. The aperture size could be set to 8mb in BIOS if there is any such setting available. The time out message is what needs to be looked at from LTSP point of view as this is indicating slow network. or network conflicts slowing it down...like both NIC cards of LTSP two cars servers connected to same physical network. But green indicators are telling us this may not be so. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 10 12:52:05 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 04:52:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] My (probably really and truly) final issue with pam_mount In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061210125205.39061.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I used the following instructions to assign *all* users who login through GDM to certain groups. I don't think this is what you want to do, but maybe it'll give you some clues. Snipped from http://tech.canterburyschool.org/tech/UbuntuWorkstations Logins validated by the Windows server won't correctly pickup membership in local groups, making sound, USB devices, etc. inaccessible. To fix that do the following (Thanks to Steve Towson, Marist Brothers International School, Japan): 1. edit /etc/pam.d/gdm to include auth optional pam_group.so 2. edit /etc/security/group.conf to include gdm;*;*;Al0000-2400;floppy,audio,cdrom,video,plugdev,scanner Explanation: * No.1 instructs gdm to use the /etc/security/group.conf * No.2 assigns membership of the floppy, audio, cdrom, video, plugdev (usb sticks) and scanner groups to any user who logs in through the gdm. -Rob --- Tom Wolfe wrote: > Thanks to Mel's tip I've finally got steps 1, 2, and > 3 of my active > directory problem solved completely. > > Ok now I've got one final (yeah right) thing I'm > trying to figure out. > > I have two user groups, teachers and students, who > have their documents on > two different servers. So can anyone recommend a > pam_mount.conf setting > that will figure things out? Or should I just write > one volume mount line > for each share, and let one fail and the other > succeed depending on the > group? > > Regards, > Tom Wolfe > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From paul at vaz.co.uk Sun Dec 10 16:37:20 2006 From: paul at vaz.co.uk (Paul Humphreys) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:37:20 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote NX and SMBMOUNT Message-ID: <000001c71c79$76d4b320$7700a8c0@devXP> Dear Colleagues, REMOTE NX AND SMBMOUNT I am able to use NX on my Windows-XP computer at home, to connect over the internet to the LTSP Server at my place of work. All works very well, and I am happy, except... ...when I enable the local NX-client's 'services' tab intended for file sharing, I get the following server-response: --- Info: Share: '//DEVXP/paul' failed to mount: /usr/bin/nxnode: line 959: smbmount: command not found --- Has anyone come across a resolution to this one please? In mitigation, I have done *some* online research which suggests that the command 'smbmount' is no longer fashionable (albeit currently called from /usr/bin/nxnode). I confirm I cannot find the file 'smbmount' on the server --- however, it appears to me that all available SMB and SAMBA packages are installed. [OR -- in which other package would I expect to find 'sbmmount' should this be the remedy?] And I have tried the alternative 'mount -t cifs //DEVXP/paul /mnt/paultemp' without success. I'm hoping with NX to be able to drag-and-drop files between my remote computer and the server. Just as I can when I am on the LAN. Interestingly, cut-and-paste of plain text works fine --- even without explicitly sharing. But it's the equivalent for whole files I am after. Any pointers most appreciated. With many thanks (and Season's greetings to all) Paul Paul Humphreys (still a relatively newbie user, delighted with LTSP, resident in Oxford UK) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Sun Dec 10 18:45:47 2006 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:45:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote NX and SMBMOUNT In-Reply-To: <000001c71c79$76d4b320$7700a8c0@devXP> References: <000001c71c79$76d4b320$7700a8c0@devXP> Message-ID: <200612101445.48382.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> I don't have the answer to your query, but I do have a possible alternative if you can't get NX to work for you the way you wish. There is a "freeware" program for Windows named "CoreFTP LE" (Light Edition) that can use SSH/SFTP and makes an acceptable remote file manager. I can drag and drop between Windows Explorer to CoreFTP. Working Linux to Linux, I use Konqueror (the KDE file manager and web browser) which also uses the "sftp://" protocol. I have also used Nautilus, but it doesn't default to the user's home directory (must give explicit path), the way KDE does (Nautilus will start in the "/" directory if you don't tell it otherwise). Konqueror suits me better anyway, since I use KDE as my primary desktop. I know it would be aesthetically satisfying to get the exact same experience remotely as locally using NX, but using sftp clients works, is secure, and has the advantage of not requiring a full desktop session is all you need is to tranfer some files. So, I run NX for interactive needs (like admin tasks), and another window with Konqueror side-by-side for file xfer and file management tasks. Consider this a possible "plan B". On Sunday 10 December 2006 12:37, Paul Humphreys wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > REMOTE NX AND SMBMOUNT > > I am able to use NX on my Windows-XP computer at home, to connect over the > internet to the LTSP Server at my place of work. > > All works very well, and I am happy, except... > > ...when I enable the local NX-client's 'services' tab intended for file > sharing, I get the following server-response: > > --- > Info: Share: '//DEVXP/paul' failed to mount: /usr/bin/nxnode: line 959: > smbmount: command not found > --- > > Has anyone come across a resolution to this one please? > > In mitigation, I have done *some* online research which suggests that the > command 'smbmount' is no longer fashionable (albeit currently called from > /usr/bin/nxnode). I confirm I cannot find the file 'smbmount' on the server > --- however, it appears to me that all available SMB and SAMBA packages are > installed. [OR -- in which other package would I expect to find 'sbmmount' > should this be the remedy?] > > And I have tried the alternative 'mount -t cifs //DEVXP/paul /mnt/paultemp' > without success. > > I'm hoping with NX to be able to drag-and-drop files between my remote > computer and the server. Just as I can when I am on the LAN. > > Interestingly, cut-and-paste of plain text works fine --- even without > explicitly sharing. But it's the equivalent for whole files I am after. > > Any pointers most appreciated. > > With many thanks (and Season's greetings to all) > > Paul > > Paul Humphreys > > (still a relatively newbie user, delighted with LTSP, resident in Oxford > UK) -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sun Dec 10 18:52:34 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 07:52:34 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote NX and SMBMOUNT In-Reply-To: <200612101445.48382.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> References: <000001c71c79$76d4b320$7700a8c0@devXP> <200612101445.48382.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: winscp is also good for this kind of file transfer. On 11/12/06, John Lucas wrote: > I don't have the answer to your query, but I do have a possible alternative if > you can't get NX to work for you the way you wish. > > There is a "freeware" program for Windows named "CoreFTP LE" (Light Edition) > that can use SSH/SFTP and makes an acceptable remote file manager. I can drag > and drop between Windows Explorer to CoreFTP. > > Working Linux to Linux, I use Konqueror (the KDE file manager and web browser) > which also uses the "sftp://" protocol. I have also used Nautilus, but it > doesn't default to the user's home directory (must give explicit path), the > way KDE does (Nautilus will start in the "/" directory if you don't tell it > otherwise). Konqueror suits me better anyway, since I use KDE as my primary > desktop. > > I know it would be aesthetically satisfying to get the exact same experience > remotely as locally using NX, but using sftp clients works, is secure, and > has the advantage of not requiring a full desktop session is all you need is > to tranfer some files. So, I run NX for interactive needs (like admin tasks), > and another window with Konqueror side-by-side for file xfer and file > management tasks. Consider this a possible "plan B". > > > On Sunday 10 December 2006 12:37, Paul Humphreys wrote: > > Dear Colleagues, > > > > REMOTE NX AND SMBMOUNT > > > > I am able to use NX on my Windows-XP computer at home, to connect over the > > internet to the LTSP Server at my place of work. > > > > All works very well, and I am happy, except... > > > > ...when I enable the local NX-client's 'services' tab intended for file > > sharing, I get the following server-response: > > > > --- > > Info: Share: '//DEVXP/paul' failed to mount: /usr/bin/nxnode: line 959: > > smbmount: command not found > > --- > > > > Has anyone come across a resolution to this one please? > > > > In mitigation, I have done *some* online research which suggests that the > > command 'smbmount' is no longer fashionable (albeit currently called from > > /usr/bin/nxnode). I confirm I cannot find the file 'smbmount' on the server > > --- however, it appears to me that all available SMB and SAMBA packages are > > installed. [OR -- in which other package would I expect to find 'sbmmount' > > should this be the remedy?] > > > > And I have tried the alternative 'mount -t cifs //DEVXP/paul /mnt/paultemp' > > without success. > > > > I'm hoping with NX to be able to drag-and-drop files between my remote > > computer and the server. Just as I can when I am on the LAN. > > > > Interestingly, cut-and-paste of plain text works fine --- even without > > explicitly sharing. But it's the equivalent for whole files I am after. > > > > Any pointers most appreciated. > > > > With many thanks (and Season's greetings to all) > > > > Paul > > > > Paul Humphreys > > > > (still a relatively newbie user, delighted with LTSP, resident in Oxford > > UK) > > -- > "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." > - Mark Twain > > | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | > | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | > | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lists.john at gmail.com Sun Dec 10 23:59:47 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:59:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] sound on Xubuntu/LTSP In-Reply-To: <323152.64172.qm@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <323152.64172.qm@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50612101559i59aa3de6w8a92eb08dba310d2@mail.gmail.com> Hi Rob, Read this. It worked for me. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 John On 12/9/06, Rob Owens wrote: > > I know this is a little off topic for this forum, but > perhaps somebody here has experienced the same thing. > > I'm running Xubuntu as an LTSP server, and trying to > get sound working on the thin clients. Xubuntu uses > alsa by default. I'm using the "traditional" LTSP -- > not Muekow. Questions: > > 1) I assume there's no way to use alsa to get sound to > the thin clients, is that correct? > > 2) How do I go about getting esd running on the > Xubuntu server, or is there a better way? > > Thanks in advance. > > -Rob > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it > now. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From l.maslany at coventry.ac.uk Mon Dec 11 13:06:24 2006 From: l.maslany at coventry.ac.uk (Luke Maslany) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:06:24 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP and PXE with two different Class of IP address In-Reply-To: <200612091716.27901.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: One quick thought regarding the use of a Windows DHCP Server - if they use RIS, or the newer WDS, for deploying Windows Images to PCs then you will find that the DHCP options on the Windows Server are already taken. If I've got this wrong I am happy to be corrected as this is the largest stumbling block on LTSP integration on a Windows Domain that I've encountered... Luke From petre at maltzen.net Mon Dec 11 14:42:39 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:42:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] When keeping login records... In-Reply-To: <1165675946.3664.6.camel@HodsonNet1> References: <45798ABA.7090400@maltzen.net> <1165675946.3664.6.camel@HodsonNet1> Message-ID: <457D6E5F.9040303@maltzen.net> If you don't want people to connect via ftp on a given day, the best thing would be to run 'service vsftpd stop' and shutdown the daemon. Since this can only be done by root, putting the teacher and/or sub into /etc/sudoers and putting an icon on the desktop that calls 'sudo service vsftpd stop' would seem to be the easiest way. Petre Alan Hodson wrote: > Looks very doable - thanks Petre. > What would it take to turn this into a small application (who-log) that > could be turned on and off as needed? I am thinking of a teacher that > knows s/he is going to be absent, tels the sub not to allow anybody on > the system, but then has the undeniable evidence if the request is > disregarded...not that we don't trust subs or kids. > Cheers > Alan > El Paso TX > -=o=- > > On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 09:54 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: >> How about a script that greps for today's date in /var/log/messages--I think that's >> where vsftpd logs to--and pipe that to awk for records where field 5 equals vsftpd ($5 >> /vsftpd/), and pipe that to awk to select the user ID from the respective field, and >> redirect the output to append to a file. Something like this: >> >> TODAY=$(date '+%b %e') >> grep "^$TODAY" /var/log/messages | awk '$5 ~ /vsftpd/ {print $10}' >> >> I'm assuming here that the user ID is in field 10 in the vsftpd records >> /var/log/messages; I don't run vsftpd anywhere so I can't check it. Just change the >> variable number to match what is in /var/log/messages. >> >> Petre >> >> ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: >>> Hi list >>> >>> I am curious to learn from experienced users, when individual login >>> records need to be kept, what are the most popular ways of doing so? I >>> am in need of a daily list of who logged into a server (via ftp) so I >>> can back up their work. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Alan Hodson >>> El Paso ISD, TX >>> http://links.episd.org/ >>> -=o=- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Dec 11 18:05:50 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:05:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Control In-Reply-To: <43080f460612070849u5bd2b9e7x138b24ff64b101@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460612070849u5bd2b9e7x138b24ff64b101@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <457D9DFE.6070904@mesd.k12.or.us> Mel Wade wrote: > How do you control thing like wallpaper setting, etc. so that users in > the lab can't put in appropriate graphics there? One option: yum install gconf-editor gconf-editor /desktop/gnome/background right-click on picture_filename select "Set as Mandatory" -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Dec 11 18:20:19 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:20:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Replacing old AGP card In-Reply-To: <20061210030728.35850.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061210030728.35850.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <457DA163.1060508@paasda.org> you can get ati rage 5200 for cheap Rob Owens wrote: > Some of my thin clients have old AGP cards that cannot > display 1280x1024, so I'm looking to upgrade them. > How good of a card should I be looking for? I'm > suspecting that my motherboard might be a limiting > factor if I get too high-end of a video card. > > The thin clients are old PII machines. The AGP slot > has a "divider" that is closer to the monitor > connector than to the opposite end of the card (I know > the position of the "divider" makes a difference, I'm > just not sure what exactly it means). > > In my price range are 2x, 4x, and 8x cards with 32, > 64, or 128 MB RAM. I'd like to get the best I can, > without wasting money on a card that gets crippled by > my motherboard. > > Any suggestions are welcome. > > -Rob > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Dec 11 18:40:05 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:40:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Automatic user logout script? In-Reply-To: <4579BA52.8090702@maltzen.net> References: <1165548714.4734.8.camel@penguin.anderson.local> <4579722B.2050300@maltzen.net> <4579BA52.8090702@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <457DA605.2070202@mesd.k12.or.us> I think your "pkill $ID" needs to be "pkill -u $ID" pkill w/o options matches on process names, so you'd be trying to kill processes called $ID rather than owned by $ID. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 Petre Scheie wrote: > Yes, it should! And here I had the gall--the gall!--to suggest to my > son that he check his homework before handing it in to his teacher. > ;-) Thanks Robert. > > Petre > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> On 12/8/06, Petre Scheie wrote: >>> How about this: >>> >>> #!/bin/bash >>> for ID in $(awk -F: '$3 >= 500 {print $1}') >> >> shouldn't that be >> >> for ID in $(awk -F: '$3 >= 500 {print $1}' /etc/passwd) >> >>> do >>> pkill $ID >>> done >>> >>> Put this into a file, make it executable (chmod +x), and then set >>> root's crontab to run >>> it at, say 5pm. Fedora defaults to starting user UID numbers at 500 >>> and going up from >>> there, so we avoid killing any system processes. >>> >>> Petre >>> >>> Jim Anderson wrote: >>> > Is there a script available to automatically log out users at the >>> end of >>> > the day from K12LTSP? I have users that tend to leave while still >>> > logged in. Relatedly, is there a way to force a logout remotely >>> from a >>> > terminal prompt as root? >>> > >>> > K12LTSP v.5.0 >>> > Dell Pentium D 2.8 GHz, 2 GB RAM >>> > 24 GX1 clients >>> > >>> > Jim >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > K12OSN mailing list >>> > K12OSN at redhat.com >>> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> > For more info see >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mel at melwade.com Mon Dec 11 18:58:46 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:58:46 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Control In-Reply-To: <457D9DFE.6070904@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43080f460612070849u5bd2b9e7x138b24ff64b101@mail.gmail.com> <457D9DFE.6070904@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43080f460612111058s57ba6de4hb0abdbecaa76991b@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the tip. I've come to really appreciate the Kiosk control in KDE. That ended up being the only desktop we allow and I have the whole thing configured and locked down easily. Mel On 12/11/06, Dan Young wrote: > > Mel Wade wrote: > > How do you control thing like wallpaper setting, etc. so that users in > > the lab can't put in appropriate graphics there? > > One option: > > > yum install gconf-editor > gconf-editor > /desktop/gnome/background > right-click on picture_filename > select "Set as Mandatory" > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Mon Dec 11 18:59:19 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:59:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Automatic user logout script? In-Reply-To: <457DA605.2070202@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1165548714.4734.8.camel@penguin.anderson.local> <4579722B.2050300@maltzen.net> <4579BA52.8090702@maltzen.net> <457DA605.2070202@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <457DAA87.1060802@maltzen.net> You, too, are correct. Okay, so I'm 0 for 2. ;-) But hey, that's the whole point of the peer-review process of a mailing list. Petre Dan Young wrote: > I think your "pkill $ID" needs to be "pkill -u $ID" > > pkill w/o options matches on process names, so you'd be trying to kill > processes called $ID rather than owned by $ID. > Petre Scheie wrote: > > Yes, it should! And here I had the gall--the gall!--to suggest to my > > son that he check his homework before handing it in to his teacher. > > ;-) Thanks Robert. > > > > Petre > > > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> >> On 12/8/06, Petre Scheie wrote: >>> >>> How about this: >>> >>> >>> >>> #!/bin/bash >>> >>> for ID in $(awk -F: '$3 >= 500 {print $1}') >> >> >> >> shouldn't that be >> >> >> >> for ID in $(awk -F: '$3 >= 500 {print $1}' /etc/passwd) >> >> >>> >>> do >>> >>> pkill $ID >>> >>> done >>> >>> >>> >>> Put this into a file, make it executable (chmod +x), and then set >>> >>> root's crontab to run >>> >>> it at, say 5pm. Fedora defaults to starting user UID numbers at 500 >>> >>> and going up from >>> >>> there, so we avoid killing any system processes. >>> >>> >>> >>> Petre >>> >>> >>> >>> Jim Anderson wrote: >>>> >>> > Is there a script available to automatically log out users at the >>> >>> end of >>>> >>> > the day from K12LTSP? I have users that tend to leave while still >>>> >>> > logged in. Relatedly, is there a way to force a logout remotely >>> >>> from a >>>> >>> > terminal prompt as root? >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > K12LTSP v.5.0 >>>> >>> > Dell Pentium D 2.8 GHz, 2 GB RAM >>>> >>> > 24 GX1 clients >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > Jim >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> > K12OSN mailing list >>>> >>> > K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> >>> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> >>> > For more info see >>>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Dec 11 19:06:57 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 11:06:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Automatic user logout script? In-Reply-To: <457DAA87.1060802@maltzen.net> References: <1165548714.4734.8.camel@penguin.anderson.local> <4579722B.2050300@maltzen.net> <4579BA52.8090702@maltzen.net> <457DA605.2070202@mesd.k12.or.us> <457DAA87.1060802@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <457DAC51.9010306@mesd.k12.or.us> Hey, I've sent my fair share of "brown-bag" shell scripts to the mailing list. I've come to believe that it's better to provide a near-miss (optimally phrasing it w/ a "caveat emptor", using "echo"s instead of "rm -rf"s and all that) than nothing at all. To wit: http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2006/12/how_to_build_a_.html http://tinyurl.com/y2jvu5 -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 Petre Scheie wrote: > You, too, are correct. Okay, so I'm 0 for 2. ;-) But hey, that's the > whole point of the peer-review process of a mailing list. > > Petre > > Dan Young wrote: >> I think your "pkill $ID" needs to be "pkill -u $ID" >> >> pkill w/o options matches on process names, so you'd be trying to kill >> processes called $ID rather than owned by $ID. >> > Petre Scheie wrote: >> > Yes, it should! And here I had the gall--the gall!--to suggest to my >> > son that he check his homework before handing it in to his teacher. >> > ;-) Thanks Robert. >> > >> > Petre >> > >> > Robert Arkiletian wrote: >>> >> On 12/8/06, Petre Scheie wrote: >>>> >>> How about this: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> #!/bin/bash >>>> >>> for ID in $(awk -F: '$3 >= 500 {print $1}') >>> >> >>> >> shouldn't that be >>> >> >>> >> for ID in $(awk -F: '$3 >= 500 {print $1}' /etc/passwd) >>> >> >>>> >>> do >>>> >>> pkill $ID >>>> >>> done >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Put this into a file, make it executable (chmod +x), and then set >>>> >>> root's crontab to run >>>> >>> it at, say 5pm. Fedora defaults to starting user UID numbers at > 500 >>>> >>> and going up from >>>> >>> there, so we avoid killing any system processes. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Petre >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Jim Anderson wrote: >>>>> >>> > Is there a script available to automatically log out users at > the >>>> >>> end of >>>>> >>> > the day from K12LTSP? I have users that tend to leave while > still >>>>> >>> > logged in. Relatedly, is there a way to force a logout remotely >>>> >>> from a >>>>> >>> > terminal prompt as root? >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > K12LTSP v.5.0 >>>>> >>> > Dell Pentium D 2.8 GHz, 2 GB RAM >>>>> >>> > 24 GX1 clients >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > Jim >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>> > K12OSN mailing list >>>>> >>> > K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> >>> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> >>> > For more info see >>>>> >>> > >>>> >>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> >>> For more info see >>>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Dec 11 19:22:53 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:22:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Automatic user logout script? (kill 'em all!) In-Reply-To: <457DA605.2070202@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1165548714.4734.8.camel@penguin.anderson.local> < > <4579722B.2050300@maltzen.net> < > < > <4579BA52.8090702@maltzen.net> <457DA605.2070202@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Here's how I do it. I have a script called "stop" located in /usr/bin. It's designed originally to "kill" a single user, but I have taken that script and made another script that can be launched as a cron job to "purge" the server. First the "stop" script.... #!/bin/sh # usage stop username # stop # script to logoff a student # if [ $1 != "root" ] then for i in $(pgrep -u $1) do kill -9 $i done else clear echo "Can't kill the root!!" fi Now the script to "stop" them all: #!/bin/bash for x in `ls /home`; do echo "Doing $x ..." stop ${x} done I call this one "stop-all", made it executable (chmod a+x stop-all) and put it into a cron job. Works pretty slick! :-) YMMV "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >I think your "pkill $ID" needs to be "pkill -u $ID" > >pkill w/o options matches on process names, so you'd be trying to kill >processes called $ID rather than owned by $ID. > >-- >Dan Young >Multnomah ESD - Technology Services >503-257-1562 > > >Petre Scheie wrote: >> Yes, it should! And here I had the gall--the gall!--to suggest to my >> son that he check his homework before handing it in to his teacher. >> ;-) Thanks Robert. >> >> Petre >> >> Robert Arkiletian wrote: >>> On 12/8/06, Petre Scheie wrote: >>>> How about this: >>>> >>>> #!/bin/bash >>>> for ID in $(awk -F: '$3 >= 500 {print $1}') >>> >>> shouldn't that be >>> >>> for ID in $(awk -F: '$3 >= 500 {print $1}' /etc/passwd) >>> >>>> do >>>> pkill $ID >>>> done >>>> >>>> Put this into a file, make it executable (chmod +x), and then set >>>> root's crontab to run >>>> it at, say 5pm. Fedora defaults to starting user UID numbers at 500 >>>> and going up from >>>> there, so we avoid killing any system processes. >>>> >>>> Petre >>>> >>>> Jim Anderson wrote: >>>> > Is there a script available to automatically log out users at the >>>> end of >>>> > the day from K12LTSP? I have users that tend to leave while still >>>> > logged in. Relatedly, is there a way to force a logout remotely >>>> from a >>>> > terminal prompt as root? >>>> > >>>> > K12LTSP v.5.0 >>>> > Dell Pentium D 2.8 GHz, 2 GB RAM >>>> > 24 GX1 clients >>>> > >>>> > Jim >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > K12OSN mailing list >>>> > K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> > For more info see >>>> > >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Dec 11 19:29:06 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:29:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kill all your users Message-ID: (in a non-sadistic manner) ;-) Kill 'em all! (at the end of the day) ;-) Here's how I do it. I have a script called "stop" located in /usr/bin. It's designed originally to "kill" a single user, but I have taken that script and made another script that can be launched as a cron job to "purge" the server. First the "stop" script.... #!/bin/sh # usage stop username # stop # script to logoff a student # if [ $1 != "root" ] then for i in $(pgrep -u $1) do kill -9 $i done else clear echo "Can't kill the root!!" fi Now the script to "stop" them all: #!/bin/bash for x in `ls /home`; do echo "Killing $x ..." stop ${x} done I called this one "stop-all", made it executable (chmod a+x stop-all) and put it into a cron job. Works pretty slick! :-) YMMV PS....doesn't matter if /home is local or mounted via NFS (like Samba/LDAP) it simply reads the directory listing of /home to get usernames. If your home dirs are in a different location or separated by YOG or something like that....just add the extra step to call that directory. Something like: for x in `ls /home/2007`; do David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From cliebow at midmaine.com Mon Dec 11 21:16:16 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:16:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Kill all your users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10530.169.244.70.146.1165871776.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> we just pkill on logout..seems to minimize the "password sharing" between students quite effectively.. > (in a no n-sadistic manner) ;-) > > Kill 'em all! (at the end of the day) ;-) > > Here's how I do it. I have a script called "stop" located in /usr/bin. > It's designed originally to "kill" a single user, but I have taken that > script and made another script that can be launched as a cron job to > "purge" the server. First the "stop" script.... > > #!/bin/sh > # usage stop username > # stop > # script to logoff a student > # > > if [ $1 != "root" ] > then > for i in $(pgrep -u $1) > do > kill -9 $i > done > else > clear > echo "Can't kill the root!!" > fi > > > Now the script to "stop" them all: > > #!/bin/bash > for x in `ls /home`; do > echo "Killing $x ..." > stop ${x} > done > > I called this one "stop-all", made it executable (chmod a+x stop-all) and > put it into a cron job. Works pretty slick! :-) YMMV > > PS....doesn't matter if /home is local or mounted via NFS (like > Samba/LDAP) it simply reads the directory listing of /home to get > usernames. If your home dirs are in a different location or separated by > YOG or something like that....just add the extra step to call that > directory. Something like: > > for x in `ls /home/2007`; do > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mel at melwade.com Mon Dec 11 21:06:53 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:06:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Kill all your users In-Reply-To: <10530.169.244.70.146.1165871776.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <10530.169.244.70.146.1165871776.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <43080f460612111306l1c4ec8cfwe00b021938c2eee4@mail.gmail.com> Can you give specifics to help us newbies! On 12/11/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > > we just pkill on logout..seems to minimize the "password sharing" between > students quite effectively.. > > (in a no n-sadistic manner) ;-) > > > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Mon Dec 11 21:14:08 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:14:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Kill all your users In-Reply-To: <10530.169.244.70.146.1165871776.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <10530.169.244.70.146.1165871776.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <457DCA20.9000502@maltzen.net> Where are you placing the pkill command to execute on logout? cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > we just pkill on logout..seems to minimize the "password sharing" between > students quite effectively.. >> (in a no n-sadistic manner) ;-) >> >> Kill 'em all! (at the end of the day) ;-) >> >> Here's how I do it. I have a script called "stop" located in /usr/bin. >> It's designed originally to "kill" a single user, but I have taken that >> script and made another script that can be launched as a cron job to >> "purge" the server. First the "stop" script.... >> >> #!/bin/sh >> # usage stop username >> # stop >> # script to logoff a student >> # >> >> if [ $1 != "root" ] >> then >> for i in $(pgrep -u $1) >> do >> kill -9 $i >> done >> else >> clear >> echo "Can't kill the root!!" >> fi >> >> >> Now the script to "stop" them all: >> >> #!/bin/bash >> for x in `ls /home`; do >> echo "Killing $x ..." >> stop ${x} >> done >> >> I called this one "stop-all", made it executable (chmod a+x stop-all) and >> put it into a cron job. Works pretty slick! :-) YMMV >> >> PS....doesn't matter if /home is local or mounted via NFS (like >> Samba/LDAP) it simply reads the directory listing of /home to get >> usernames. If your home dirs are in a different location or separated by >> YOG or something like that....just add the extra step to call that >> directory. Something like: >> >> for x in `ls /home/2007`; do >> >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Director >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >> (207)923-3100 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Mon Dec 11 21:38:58 2006 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:38:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Spanish and French accents Message-ID: <8b88203f0612111338t21508e1fy1c2546196b671783@mail.gmail.com> I have a teacher asking me how to use Spanish and French accents. Is anyone using thin clients for foreign language training and how well do the English keyboards work? Thanks, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Mon Dec 11 22:06:06 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:06:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] wiki broken Message-ID: <457DD64E.3070801@maltzen.net> Something in the wiki broke. Going to http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ used to take one to a page with all our how-to's. But now it just goes to a page entitled "Home Page". Can someone have a look at this? Petre From toddobryan at mac.com Mon Dec 11 22:36:56 2006 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:36:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Spanish and French accents In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0612111338t21508e1fy1c2546196b671783@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0612111338t21508e1fy1c2546196b671783@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1165876616.15138.19.camel@200-8143-202-01.Jefferson.ketsds.net> I had been wondering how to do this myself. It looks like my default install of Gnome on Ubuntu works like this... To get an acute accent (all accents in Spanish), press the RIGHT ALT key along with the apostrophe and then the vowel you'd like. In other words, RIGHT-ALT-' e gives you ?. Use RIGHT-ALT-` for grave accents: ? ? ? ? ? Use RIGHT-ALT-6 for circumflex: ? ? Use RIGHT-ALT-, for cedille: ? ? Use RIGHT-ALT-~ (yes, that's RIGHT-ALT-SHIFT-`) for tildes: ? ? ? Use RIGHT-ALT-" (RIGHT-ALT-SHIFT-') for umlauts: ? ? Did I forget any? Todd On Mon, 2006-12-11 at 14:38 -0700, Jim Christiansen wrote: > I have a teacher asking me how to use Spanish and French accents. Is > anyone using thin clients for foreign language training and how well > do the English keyboards work? > > Thanks, Jim > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ARolick at fillmore.k12.ca.us Mon Dec 11 22:56:36 2006 From: ARolick at fillmore.k12.ca.us (Abraham Rolick) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:56:36 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Spanish and French accents In-Reply-To: <1165876616.15138.19.camel@200-8143-202-01.Jefferson.ketsds.net> Message-ID: Accent aigu -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Todd O'Bryan Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 2:37 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Spanish and French accents I had been wondering how to do this myself. It looks like my default install of Gnome on Ubuntu works like this... To get an acute accent (all accents in Spanish), press the RIGHT ALT key along with the apostrophe and then the vowel you'd like. In other words, RIGHT-ALT-' e gives you ?. Use RIGHT-ALT-` for grave accents: ? ? ? ? ? Use RIGHT-ALT-6 for circumflex: ? ? Use RIGHT-ALT-, for cedille: ? ? Use RIGHT-ALT-~ (yes, that's RIGHT-ALT-SHIFT-`) for tildes: ? ? ? Use RIGHT-ALT-" (RIGHT-ALT-SHIFT-') for umlauts: ? ? Did I forget any? Todd On Mon, 2006-12-11 at 14:38 -0700, Jim Christiansen wrote: > I have a teacher asking me how to use Spanish and French accents. Is > anyone using thin clients for foreign language training and how well > do the English keyboards work? > > Thanks, Jim > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ARolick at fillmore.k12.ca.us Mon Dec 11 22:57:55 2006 From: ARolick at fillmore.k12.ca.us (Abraham Rolick) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:57:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Spanish and French accents In-Reply-To: <1165876616.15138.19.camel@200-8143-202-01.Jefferson.ketsds.net> Message-ID: Accent aigu (more widely known as the acute accent, of course) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Todd O'Bryan Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 2:37 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Spanish and French accents I had been wondering how to do this myself. It looks like my default install of Gnome on Ubuntu works like this... To get an acute accent (all accents in Spanish), press the RIGHT ALT key along with the apostrophe and then the vowel you'd like. In other words, RIGHT-ALT-' e gives you ?. Use RIGHT-ALT-` for grave accents: ? ? ? ? ? Use RIGHT-ALT-6 for circumflex: ? ? Use RIGHT-ALT-, for cedille: ? ? Use RIGHT-ALT-~ (yes, that's RIGHT-ALT-SHIFT-`) for tildes: ? ? ? Use RIGHT-ALT-" (RIGHT-ALT-SHIFT-') for umlauts: ? ? Did I forget any? Todd On Mon, 2006-12-11 at 14:38 -0700, Jim Christiansen wrote: > I have a teacher asking me how to use Spanish and French accents. Is > anyone using thin clients for foreign language training and how well > do the English keyboards work? > > Thanks, Jim > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Mon Dec 11 23:04:30 2006 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:04:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] off topic - Internet Access Authentication Message-ID: <200612111704.31057.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Hello Everyone, This one is off topic but it may be useful to those that work in public libraries. I need to authenticate users trying to gain access to the Internet. We have a mixture of linux and windows with windows having generic workstation logons. What I would like to see is a patron goto a computer loads up IE or any browser and the firstthing they see is a logon screen. They will not be able to browse anywhere until they are authenticated. I've looked at NoCatAuth but was unable to get it working and development seems to have stopped. Any ideas as how this could be implemented? Thanks, Ray From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Dec 11 23:11:17 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:11:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] off topic - Internet Access Authentication In-Reply-To: <200612111704.31057.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> References: <200612111704.31057.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <457DE595.9080400@paasda.org> Squid Proxy... force authentication...rather than a transparent proxy wish I could be more specific but I've never done it, just know it's an option. --Huck Ray Garza wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > This one is off topic but it may be useful to those that work in public > libraries. > > I need to authenticate users trying to gain access to the Internet. We have a > mixture of linux and windows with windows having generic workstation logons. > What I would like to see is a patron goto a computer loads up IE or any > browser and the firstthing they see is a logon screen. They will not be able > to browse anywhere until they are authenticated. > > I've looked at NoCatAuth but was unable to get it working and development > seems to have stopped. Any ideas as how this could be implemented? > > Thanks, > > Ray > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Mon Dec 11 23:13:27 2006 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:13:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] off topic - Internet Access Authentication In-Reply-To: <200612111704.31057.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> References: <200612111704.31057.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <200612111813.28211.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Monday 11 December 2006 6:04 pm, Ray Garza wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > This one is off topic but it may be useful to those that work in public > libraries. > > I need to authenticate users trying to gain access to the Internet. We have > a mixture of linux and windows with windows having generic workstation > logons. What I would like to see is a patron goto a computer loads up IE or > any browser and the firstthing they see is a logon screen. They will not be > able to browse anywhere until they are authenticated. > > I've looked at NoCatAuth but was unable to get it working and development > seems to have stopped. Any ideas as how this could be implemented? > > Thanks, > > Ray > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Would CensorNet be of any help? It aithenticates and filters. Dimitri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Dec 11 23:48:02 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:48:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] wiki broken In-Reply-To: <457DD64E.3070801@maltzen.net> References: <457DD64E.3070801@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <457DEE32.4020606@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > Something in the wiki broke. Going to http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ > used to take one to a page with all our how-to's. But now it just goes > to a page entitled "Home Page". Can someone have a look at this? > > Petre > The database is corrupt. I'll go bang on it. BTW, I have Moin & another wiki installed but not yet configured. Hopefully I'll get something else up and running in the near future. -Eric From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 11 23:59:42 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:59:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] sound on Xubuntu/LTSP In-Reply-To: <2be970b50612101559i59aa3de6w8a92eb08dba310d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061211235942.10562.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Excellent, it worked! But the volume is very low. I see in the docs that I can specify the initial volume in lts.conf, but is there an interactive way of adjusting the volume? The volume slider in xmms did not work, and alsamixergui didn't work (it probably adjusted the volume on the server, not the client). Thanks for the help. I'm gonna play around w/ this until I get it perfect. -Rob --- john wrote: > Hi Rob, > > Read this. It worked for me. > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 > > John > > On 12/9/06, Rob Owens wrote: > > > > I know this is a little off topic for this forum, > but > > perhaps somebody here has experienced the same > thing. > > > > I'm running Xubuntu as an LTSP server, and trying > to > > get sound working on the thin clients. Xubuntu > uses > > alsa by default. I'm using the "traditional" LTSP > -- > > not Muekow. Questions: > > > > 1) I assume there's no way to use alsa to get > sound to > > the thin clients, is that correct? > > > > 2) How do I go about getting esd running on the > > Xubuntu server, or is there a better way? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at > www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it > > now. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Dec 12 01:58:34 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:58:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Kill all your users In-Reply-To: <43080f460612111306l1c4ec8cfwe00b021938c2eee4@mail.gmail.com> References: <10530.169.244.70.146.1165871776.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <43080f460612111306l1c4ec8cfwe00b021938c2eee4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4875.76.179.82.249.1165888714.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> heh not too much to it i use icewm and add LogoutCmd pkill sosmething..have to look at school > Can you give specifics to help us newbies! > > On 12/11/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: >> >> we just pkill on logout..seems to minimize the "password sharing" >> between >> students quite effectively.. >> > (in a no n-sadistic manner) ;-) >> > >> > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Dec 12 02:02:55 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:02:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Kill all your users In-Reply-To: <457DCA20.9000502@maltzen.net> References: <10530.169.244.70.146.1165871776.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <457DCA20.9000502@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <2859.76.179.82.249.1165888975.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> fwiw: i do a lot with Xsession for login too..i can force password chanage from either windows or linux..by ldapsearch of sambapaswdMustChange field just before exec icewm..also check for disabled user there with ldapsearch fro sambaacctFlags [DUX] so one ield prohibits a disabled user on both linux and windows side... i'd guess a little research would give the same effect on the logout side too chuck From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Dec 12 02:03:39 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:33:39 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Kill all your users In-Reply-To: <457DCA20.9000502@maltzen.net> References: <10530.169.244.70.146.1165871776.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <457DCA20.9000502@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <774593a20612111803i700cb8b0n4a5ca21be92f9b08@mail.gmail.com> On 12/12/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > Where are you placing the pkill command to execute on logout? > Would not the post-session below /etc/X11 be the right place to add pkill command? -- Regards, Sudev Barar From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Dec 12 02:06:05 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:36:05 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Kill all your users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <774593a20612111806q119a5fcwf995e8e33786fea@mail.gmail.com> On 12/12/06, David Trask wrote: > Kill 'em all! (at the end of the day) ;-) > > Here's how I do it. I have a script called "stop" located in /usr/bin. > It's designed originally to "kill" a single user, but I have taken that > script and made another script that can be launched as a cron job to > "purge" the server. First the "stop" script.... > > #!/bin/sh > # usage stop username > # stop > # script to logoff a student > # > > if [ $1 != "root" ] > then > for i in $(pgrep -u $1) > do > kill -9 $i > done > else > clear > echo "Can't kill the root!!" > fi > > I'd rather leave a few UID's that are not killed by specifying UID's above 1000 (we allot UID's below 1000 only to system people) so that any screen or wget's running in background mode are not killed when left for large downloads overnight. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From steven at simplycircus.com Tue Dec 12 02:33:39 2006 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:33:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kill all your users In-Reply-To: <2859.76.179.82.249.1165888975.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: As useful as this is, I think it would make a nice addition to K12LTSP if we could have a set of central log on and lof off script where a lot of this could be done consistiantly across the different desktops. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: PO BOX 620753 Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 781-799-4938 eFax: 309-214-0899 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of cliebow at midmaine.com > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:03 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Kill all your users > > > fwiw: i do a lot with Xsession for login too..i can force password chanage > from either windows or linux..by ldapsearch of sambapaswdMustChange field > just before exec icewm..also check for disabled user there with ldapsearch > fro sambaacctFlags [DUX] so one ield prohibits a disabled user on both > linux and windows side... > i'd guess a little research would give the same effect on the > logout side too > > chuck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From mel at melwade.com Tue Dec 12 04:05:53 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:05:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Kill all your users In-Reply-To: References: <2859.76.179.82.249.1165888975.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <43080f460612112005wacc7e21m22fdfcf4eb1657a7@mail.gmail.com> Hear Hear! On 12/11/06, Steven Santos wrote: > > As useful as this is, I think it would make a nice addition to K12LTSP if > we > could have a set of central log on and lof off script where a lot of this > could be done consistiantly across the different desktops. > > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aimssda at cscoms.com Tue Dec 12 10:10:15 2006 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (Edwardson) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:10:15 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp 6 - login slow Message-ID: <457E8007.6050004@cscoms.com> Hi, I upgraded my k12 v5 to k12 v6. I noticed that after a user enters username/password, it will show a blank window with only an arrow and it will stay like that for about 5-10 then gnome will come out. What could be the cause of this problem? Is it better to do fresh install than upgrade? Edward Thailand From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Tue Dec 12 11:01:42 2006 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:01:42 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: off topic - Internet Access Authentication In-Reply-To: <20061212100613.E2627731C8@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061212100613.E2627731C8@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1165921303.4581.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Ray, Not sure if this is exactly what you need, but here's an option. Several people on this list have mentioned IPCop. I use it on my home network with the AdvProxy Server, and URLFilter addons. I know one of the two can be configured to require users to authenticate before accessing the 'Net. (Plus a lot of other options) The addons can also be configured to authenticate users against LDAP / AD / Windows Domain / Radius, which is a nice way to administer large groups of users. More info can be found at www.ipcop.org Hope this is helpful. Cheers, Bert > > Message: 17 > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:04:30 -0600 > From: Ray Garza > Subject: [K12OSN] off topic - Internet Access Authentication > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <200612111704.31057.ray at mission.lib.tx.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello Everyone, > > This one is off topic but it may be useful to those that work in public > libraries. > > I need to authenticate users trying to gain access to the Internet. We have a > mixture of linux and windows with windows having generic workstation logons. > What I would like to see is a patron goto a computer loads up IE or any > browser and the firstthing they see is a logon screen. They will not be able > to browse anywhere until they are authenticated. > > I've looked at NoCatAuth but was unable to get it working and development > seems to have stopped. Any ideas as how this could be implemented? > > Thanks, > > Ray > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:11:17 -0800 > From: Huck > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] off topic - Internet Access Authentication > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <457DE595.9080400 at paasda.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Squid Proxy... > force authentication...rather than a transparent proxy > wish I could be more specific but I've never done it, just know it's an > option. > > --Huck > > Ray Garza wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > > > This one is off topic but it may be useful to those that work in public > > libraries. > > > > I need to authenticate users trying to gain access to the Internet. We have a > > mixture of linux and windows with windows having generic workstation logons. > > What I would like to see is a patron goto a computer loads up IE or any > > browser and the firstthing they see is a logon screen. They will not be able > > to browse anywhere until they are authenticated. > > > > I've looked at NoCatAuth but was unable to get it working and development > > seems to have stopped. Any ideas as how this could be implemented? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ray > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:13:27 -0500 > From: Dimitri Yioulos > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] off topic - Internet Access Authentication > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <200612111813.28211.dyioulos at firstbhph.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Monday 11 December 2006 6:04 pm, Ray Garza wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > > > This one is off topic but it may be useful to those that work in public > > libraries. > > > > I need to authenticate users trying to gain access to the Internet. We have > > a mixture of linux and windows with windows having generic workstation > > logons. What I would like to see is a patron goto a computer loads up IE or > > any browser and the firstthing they see is a logon screen. They will not be > > able to browse anywhere until they are authenticated. > > > > I've looked at NoCatAuth but was unable to get it working and development > > seems to have stopped. Any ideas as how this could be implemented? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ray > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > Would CensorNet be of any help? It aithenticates and filters. > > Dimitri > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:48:02 -0800 > From: Eric Harrison > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] wiki broken > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <457DEE32.4020606 at mail.mesd.k12.or.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Petre Scheie wrote: > > Something in the wiki broke. Going to http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ > > used to take one to a page with all our how-to's. But now it just goes > > to a page entitled "Home Page". Can someone have a look at this? > > > > Petre > > > > The database is corrupt. I'll go bang on it. > > > > BTW, I have Moin & another wiki installed but not yet configured. > Hopefully I'll get something else up and running in the near future. > > > -Eric > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:59:42 -0800 (PST) > From: Rob Owens > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] sound on Xubuntu/LTSP > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: <20061211235942.10562.qmail at web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Excellent, it worked! > > But the volume is very low. I see in the docs that I > can specify the initial volume in lts.conf, but is > there an interactive way of adjusting the volume? The > volume slider in xmms did not work, and alsamixergui > didn't work (it probably adjusted the volume on the > server, not the client). > > Thanks for the help. I'm gonna play around w/ this > until I get it perfect. > > -Rob > > --- john wrote: > > > Hi Rob, > > > > Read this. It worked for me. > > > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 > > > > John > > > > On 12/9/06, Rob Owens wrote: > > > > > > I know this is a little off topic for this forum, > > but > > > perhaps somebody here has experienced the same > > thing. > > > > > > I'm running Xubuntu as an LTSP server, and trying > > to > > > get sound working on the thin clients. Xubuntu > > uses > > > alsa by default. I'm using the "traditional" LTSP > > -- > > > not Muekow. Questions: > > > > > > 1) I assume there's no way to use alsa to get > > sound to > > > the thin clients, is that correct? > > > > > > 2) How do I go about getting esd running on the > > > Xubuntu server, or is there a better way? > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at > > www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it > > > now. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Have a burning question? > Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:58:34 -0500 (EST) > From: cliebow at midmaine.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Kill all your users > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: > <4875.76.179.82.249.1165888714.squirrel at webmail.midmaine.com> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > heh not too much to it > i use icewm and add LogoutCmd pkill sosmething..have to look at school > > Can you give specifics to help us newbies! > > > > On 12/11/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > >> > >> we just pkill on logout..seems to minimize the "password sharing" > >> between > >> students quite effectively.. > >> > (in a no n-sadistic manner) ;-) > >> > > >> > > > > > > -- > > Mel Wade > > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > > Skinner > > http://www.melwade.com > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 23 > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:02:55 -0500 (EST) > From: cliebow at midmaine.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Kill all your users > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: > <2859.76.179.82.249.1165888975.squirrel at webmail.midmaine.com> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > fwiw: i do a lot with Xsession for login too..i can force password chanage > from either windows or linux..by ldapsearch of sambapaswdMustChange field > just before exec icewm..also check for disabled user there with ldapsearch > fro sambaacctFlags [DUX] so one ield prohibits a disabled user on both > linux and windows side... > i'd guess a little research would give the same effect on the logout side too > > chuck > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 24 > Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:33:39 +0530 > From: "Sudev Barar" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Kill all your users > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: > <774593a20612111803i700cb8b0n4a5ca21be92f9b08 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 12/12/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > > Where are you placing the pkill command to execute on logout? > > > > Would not the post-session below /etc/X11 be the right place to add > pkill command? > > > -- > Regards, > Sudev Barar > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 25 > Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:36:05 +0530 > From: "Sudev Barar" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Kill all your users > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: > <774593a20612111806q119a5fcwf995e8e33786fea at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 12/12/06, David Trask wrote: > > Kill 'em all! (at the end of the day) ;-) > > > > Here's how I do it. I have a script called "stop" located in /usr/bin. > > It's designed originally to "kill" a single user, but I have taken that > > script and made another script that can be launched as a cron job to > > "purge" the server. First the "stop" script.... > > > > #!/bin/sh > > # usage stop username > > # stop > > # script to logoff a student > > # > > > > if [ $1 != "root" ] > > then > > for i in $(pgrep -u $1) > > do > > kill -9 $i > > done > > else > > clear > > echo "Can't kill the root!!" > > fi > > > > > > I'd rather leave a few UID's that are not killed by specifying UID's > above 1000 (we allot UID's below 1000 only to system people) so that > any screen or wget's running in background mode are not killed when > left for large downloads overnight. > > -- > Regards, > Sudev Barar > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 26 > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:33:39 -0500 > From: "Steven Santos" > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Kill all your users > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > As useful as this is, I think it would make a nice addition to K12LTSP if we > could have a set of central log on and lof off script where a lot of this > could be done consistiantly across the different desktops. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Steven Santos > Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com > Mail: PO BOX 620753 > Newton, MA 02462 > Phone: 781-799-4938 > eFax: 309-214-0899 > Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > > Behalf Of cliebow at midmaine.com > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:03 PM > > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Kill all your users > > > > > > fwiw: i do a lot with Xsession for login too..i can force password chanage > > from either windows or linux..by ldapsearch of sambapaswdMustChange field > > just before exec icewm..also check for disabled user there with ldapsearch > > fro sambaacctFlags [DUX] so one ield prohibits a disabled user on both > > linux and windows side... > > i'd guess a little research would give the same effect on the > > logout side too > > > > chuck > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 27 > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:05:53 -0800 > From: "Mel Wade" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Kill all your users > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: > <43080f460612112005wacc7e21m22fdfcf4eb1657a7 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hear Hear! > > On 12/11/06, Steven Santos wrote: > > > > As useful as this is, I think it would make a nice addition to K12LTSP if > > we > > could have a set of central log on and lof off script where a lot of this > > could be done consistiantly across the different desktops. > > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/attachments/20061211/9ddd1c50/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 28 > Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:10:15 +0700 > From: Edwardson > Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp 6 - login slow > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <457E8007.6050004 at cscoms.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi, > > I upgraded my k12 v5 to k12 v6. I noticed that after a user enters > username/password, it will show a blank window with only an arrow and it > will stay like that for about 5-10 then gnome will come out. What could > be the cause of this problem? > > Is it better to do fresh install than upgrade? > > Edward > Thailand > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > End of K12OSN Digest, Vol 34, Issue 14 > ************************************** From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Tue Dec 12 11:06:00 2006 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:06:00 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: DHCP and PXE with two different Class of IP address In-Reply-To: <20061211170023.E6ADC73427@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061211170023.E6ADC73427@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1165921561.4581.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Luke, Thanks for the heads up. To the best of my knowledge they aren't doing this. The site isn't that sophisticated. Which is a good argument for a Linux DHCP server. Cheers, Bert > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:06:24 -0000 > From: "Luke Maslany" > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] DHCP and PXE with two different Class of IP > address > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > One quick thought regarding the use of a Windows DHCP Server - if they > use RIS, or the newer WDS, for deploying Windows Images to PCs then you > will find that the DHCP options on the Windows Server are already taken. > > > If I've got this wrong I am happy to be corrected as this is the largest > stumbling block on LTSP integration on a Windows Domain that I've > encountered... > > Luke > > > From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Dec 12 12:19:59 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:19:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp 6 - login slow In-Reply-To: <457E8007.6050004@cscoms.com> References: <457E8007.6050004@cscoms.com> Message-ID: <2487.76.179.82.249.1165925999.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> do you suppose nsswitch.conf is overwritten and chanaged the way pam works..feels like a apam searching thing..> Hi, > > I upgraded my k12 v5 to k12 v6. I noticed that after a user enters > username/password, it will show a blank window with only an arrow and it > will stay like that for about 5-10 then gnome will come out. What could > be the cause of this problem? > > Is it better to do fresh install than upgrade? > > Edward > Thailand > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ray at mission.lib.tx.us Tue Dec 12 13:52:56 2006 From: ray at mission.lib.tx.us (Ray Garza) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:52:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] off topic - Internet Access Authentication In-Reply-To: <200612111704.31057.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> References: <200612111704.31057.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Message-ID: <200612120752.56834.ray@mission.lib.tx.us> Ok, I'll look into Squid and to CensorNet. It looks like Squid is turning out to be the Duct Tape of the Linux world. Anyone Else? Thanks for your input. -Ray From GEORGE.ADAMS at spps.org Tue Dec 12 14:18:48 2006 From: GEORGE.ADAMS at spps.org (GEORGE.ADAMS at spps.org) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:18:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] netBoot Macintosh OS X In-Reply-To: <20061210170020.036E27343F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: I am new to this list and hope that this hasn't already been covered. While setting up a testing LTSP system I have set up both Macs and PCs. I was hoping to find the minimal software I could install on an older Mac to allow me to connect to the LTSP server. I ran across a couple of references to netBooting and tried doing that on a G3 iBook connected to the LTSP network. It worked without installing X11 or starting up Mac OS X. I couldn't get this to work from a G4 iBook. My LTSP setup was originally set up last Spring so I think it is version 4. Would version 5 allow the netBooting of the G4 iBook? Is there a UNIX that can be installed on old Macs that would allow connection to LTSP without the overhead of Mac OS X? If Mac OS X and X11 are installed is there a way to open X11 and pass the query command to it automatically using AppleScript, Automator or shell command? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frank at oobschools.org Tue Dec 12 15:49:29 2006 From: frank at oobschools.org (Frank Lee) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:49:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] /etc/fstab + mount question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good Morning. This seems so simple, yet I can't seem to get it. I've had K12LTSP up and running no problem for some time now. The only thing that I could never get to work was getting /etc/fstab to mount the server partition automatically when the computer boots. This has not been a problem until this winter when we seem to be losing power every weekend. I'd rather have it work on boot than to reenter the mount command. This command run from the command line works like a charm: [root at server]# mount server.domain.org:/Network/Servers/ server.domain.org/Volumes/StudentShare/Students /Network/Servers/ server.domain.org/Volumes/StudentShare/Students However, adding this to the /etc/fstab and then on reboot to test, doesn't work ([failed] on boot): server.domain.org:/Network/Servers/server.domain.org/Volumes/ StudentShare/Students /Network/Servers/server.domain.org/Volumes/ StudentShare/Students nfs auto,user,exec,rw,sync 0 0 I also tried changing nfs filesystem type to auto in /etc/fstab (also [failed] on boot): Attempting to run the original mount command after the change in /etc/ fstab predictably returns the following error-F [root at server]# mount server.domain.org:/Network/Servers/ server.domain.org/Volumes/StudentShare/Students /Network/Servers/ server.domain.org/Volumes/StudentShare/Students mount: server.domain.org:/Network/Servers/server.domain.org/Volumes/ StudentShare/Students already mounted or /Network/Servers/ server.domain.org/Volumes/StudentShare/Students busy mount: according to mtab, server.domain.org:/Network/Servers/ server.domain.org/Volumes/StudentShare/Students is already mounted on /Network/Servers/server.domain.org/Volumes/StudentShare/Students I'm running the latest flavor K12LTSP 4.2 and the mount point is a share on a MacOSX server. Thanx! -F -- Frank P. Lee Old Orchard Beach Schools From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Dec 12 16:20:35 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:20:35 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp 6 - login slow In-Reply-To: <457E8007.6050004@cscoms.com> References: <457E8007.6050004@cscoms.com> Message-ID: <457ED6D3.5000408@mesd.k12.or.us> Edwardson wrote: > I upgraded my k12 v5 to k12 v6. I noticed that after a user enters > username/password, it will show a blank window with only an arrow and it > will stay like that for about 5-10 then gnome will come out. What could > be the cause of this problem? Can you try creating a new user and logging in with that username? I'm curious if old user-specific desktop settings are causing the slowness. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From lists.john at gmail.com Tue Dec 12 17:06:16 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:06:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] sound on Xubuntu/LTSP In-Reply-To: <20061211235942.10562.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <2be970b50612101559i59aa3de6w8a92eb08dba310d2@mail.gmail.com> <20061211235942.10562.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50612120906h31acef1eg2c424f987602a1c3@mail.gmail.com> Hi Rob, My understanding is that volume can only be set in lts.conf. You might try the ALSA utils like amixer and alsamixer though. If you have ALSA you should already have them. John On 12/11/06, Rob Owens wrote: > > Excellent, it worked! > > But the volume is very low. I see in the docs that I > can specify the initial volume in lts.conf, but is > there an interactive way of adjusting the volume? The > volume slider in xmms did not work, and alsamixergui > didn't work (it probably adjusted the volume on the > server, not the client). > > Thanks for the help. I'm gonna play around w/ this > until I get it perfect. > > -Rob > > --- john wrote: > > > Hi Rob, > > > > Read this. It worked for me. > > > > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 > > > > John > > > > On 12/9/06, Rob Owens wrote: > > > > > > I know this is a little off topic for this forum, > > but > > > perhaps somebody here has experienced the same > > thing. > > > > > > I'm running Xubuntu as an LTSP server, and trying > > to > > > get sound working on the thin clients. Xubuntu > > uses > > > alsa by default. I'm using the "traditional" LTSP > > -- > > > not Muekow. Questions: > > > > > > 1) I assume there's no way to use alsa to get > > sound to > > > the thin clients, is that correct? > > > > > > 2) How do I go about getting esd running on the > > > Xubuntu server, or is there a better way? > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at > > www.Answers.yahoo.com. 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URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Dec 12 19:25:38 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:25:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0.0 Release Candidate #2 Message-ID: <457F0232.3040701@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I finally squashed the Gnome Mixer Applet error bug. If you have K12LTSP 6.0 BETA/RC1 installed, run "yum update" and when it is done, run "/opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/no-volume-control-fix.sh". If you do an upgrade or fresh install from cd/dvd, it will do this automatically. I also fixed a bug with USB key support. So here we go, K12LTSP 6.0.0 Release Candidate #2... -Eric RC2 ISO images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, Athlon, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ . RC2 ISO images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ . RC2 DVD images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, Athlon, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ . RC2 DVD images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ . From Henry_Schaechterle at beavton.k12.or.us Tue Dec 12 20:08:29 2006 From: Henry_Schaechterle at beavton.k12.or.us (Henry Schaechterle) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:08:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Need guidance on next steps ... Message-ID: I've just got K12 LTSP 5.0 loaded on a PC at our school -- install went smooth - I did a custom install adding server packages etc. I'm on the schools network (obviously I'm in DHCP mode) and have connectivity to the net. I have 2 immediate next steps: 1 - Run updates to get everything updated ---- running the Package Updater give an error message - Unable to retrieve update info unable to retrieve software info ---- Network Issue ? As mentioned I have network connectivity via the browser ---- not sure if there may be firewall issues upsteam ? Suggestions ? 2. Start to configure the system into a basic file server: -Goal #1 is to get another PC running XP to login and have access to a folder / file share -Goal #2 do the same thing with a Mac running OSX A lot of the files on http://k12linux.org/network.html seem to lead to the dreaded 404 page. Any suggestions on were to start or where to find documentation germane to this distribution -- Help Lastly ----- Can any of you recommend some Linux books or generic reference books on networking (from newbs to intermediate levels) --- I used to do this stuff 16yrs ago but man have I forgot a bunch of stuff THANKS !!! Henry Schaechterle Tech Facilitator Sunset High School 503 259-5050 x2410 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k12osn at deltacfax.com Tue Dec 12 20:24:41 2006 From: k12osn at deltacfax.com (Tim Born) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:24:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Need guidance on next steps ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <457F1009.3010206@deltacfax.com> Henry Schaechterle wrote: > I've just got K12 LTSP 5.0 loaded on a PC at our school -- install > went smooth - I did a custom install adding server packages etc. I'm > on the schools network (obviously I'm in DHCP mode) and have > connectivity to the net. > > I have 2 immediate next steps: > > 1 - Run updates to get everything updated ---- running the Package > Updater give an error message - Unable to retrieve update info > unable to retrieve software info ---- Network Issue ? > > As mentioned I have network connectivity via the browser ---- not sure > if there may be firewall issues upsteam ? > > Suggestions ? Do you have a proxying firewall at your school? In my case I need to modify /etc/yum.conf by adding one line to the [main] section: http_proxy=http://my.proxy.com:8000/ I also needed to add a line to root's .bashrc: export http_proxy=http://my.proxy.com:8000 Use the appropriate proxy & port for your situation, of course. Need to source in .bashrc again for the change to take effect. Found that advice on Google and it seemed to work. The syntax seemed to be picky; the trailing slash in one case and not in the other seemed to matter for some reason. good luck -tim From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Dec 12 21:06:15 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:06:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Need guidance on next steps ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52601.169.244.70.146.1165957575.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> linux for windows admins...the secret decoder ring..is kind of fun Linux for Windows Nt/2000 Administrators: The Secret Decoder Ring (Mark Minasi Windows 2000) (Paperback) From lists.john at gmail.com Tue Dec 12 21:51:26 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:51:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] TuxPaint 0.9.16 vs. KidPix a teachers perspective Message-ID: <2be970b50612121351g441beb69iae55c39d40aba803@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, One of our teachers took the time to do a side by side comparison of TuxPaint and KidPix. I thought it was well done, and I thought I would pass it along. If anyone can help me locate resources that would answer/fix some of the criticisms she had I'd be interested. We just might have a convert if I could help her along. The Teacher says: "here are a few different things in Tux Paint that KidPix doesn't have that are nice: The magic function (but it selects outside the area you want to edit sometimes, i.e.. lighten/darken) Realistic stamps - stamps have more size options (but no index, have to scroll through everything) The undo function goes back more than one step (nice!) Slide show easy to set up, but can't save it. "There are some things [TuxPaint] doesn't have [that KidPix does] that are useful: - Text is not reselectable/movable once you switch to a different function No backgrounds to select (KidPix has a lot) - Not as many characters to select - for illustrating a story (would like more in KidPix even) - Not as many colors to select to use; no texture to select within each color - Kids can't save to their [own] file - every station would have everyone's art - and can be deleted by anyone - There isn't an import option to bring in pictures saved from the internet or a digital camera. To sum up: "I see Tux Paint as a fun alternative in creating some computer art. It doesn't have the file management capabilities KidPix offers, or some of it's artistic options. " I am downloading TuxPaint on my workstation and I'll see if I can figure out how to do some of the things that our teacher wants kids to do. Perhaps you all have some ideas or resources I could pass along? Thanks! John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We have the lab in question set up using windows. In this age group (k-5) students login with a user-name based on the teacher for that class. So all 28 kids log in as "smith" for example. Inside of the "smith" folder on a network share called k:\Smith is another directory with each students name on it. Students drop work in that directory. This isn't the ideal set up, but for various historical reasons that is the convention we use. AFAIK because you can't "save-as" you can't name the image to differentiate it from other kids work. Short of providing logins for all the k-3 set who generally use this I don't see a way around it. What do you think? As a side note, my goal is to replace this lab with an LTSP set up, but I need to have analogs for those things which are favorites. KidPix and Type to learn are big ones. Has anyone ever tried to run these under cross-over office? 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Lee Old Orchard Beach Schools Technology Department w: http://helpdesk.oobschools.org e: frank at oobschools.org p: 207.934.5751, 207.934.4461x33 f: 207.934.1917 On Dec 12, 2006, at 5:13 PM, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: if they have openfirmware they should netboot i never got a g3 without it to boot..i did set up nubus machines as chubby clients with a kernel to boot and a st andard nfs mount ala ltsp..se the wiki.ltsp.org under client archirtecture _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From bruce.g.anderson at gmail.com Tue Dec 12 23:07:45 2006 From: bruce.g.anderson at gmail.com (Bruce Anderson) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:07:45 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Installation Westmont High School In-Reply-To: <774593a20612091935g5748ab95y25e16f33f03098cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <6583c9ed0612091222w6c56dba0qed8539b186b36e58@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20612091935g5748ab95y25e16f33f03098cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6583c9ed0612121507m4be89467tc351d3fbf76bf54@mail.gmail.com> Sorry to be so slow, I have been teaching and not working on LTSP. On 12/9/06, Sudev Barar wrote: > > On 10/12/06, Bruce Anderson wrote: > > I think I did a pretty default installation of K12LTSP version 4.4.1from > > CDs on a VALinux 1220 (dual 800 MHz PIIIs with 2048MB and two 18 GB > scsci > > drives). > > > Bruce can you describe your network and confirm you are using 100mbps > switches and not hubs? Between my experimental LTSP server and my experimental client I have a direct connect crossover cable no hub, now switch; the message on the client boot screen indicates 100Mbps full-duplex and /var/log/messages on the server says the same. The network may be a problem - I am not really clear how different networks interact. In my classroom I have a server (not the LTSP one) that is between the school LAN and my classroom LAN. That classroom server has 10.6.44.1 mask 255.255.0.0 on eth0 connected to the school and 192.168.44.1mask 255.255.255.0 connected to a 10/100 switch for 36 computers in my classroom. All the classroom computers are 192.168.44.x My LTSP server is 192.168.44.57 on eth1 by dhcp from the classroom server and is 192.168.0.254on eth0 which directly connects to the client. > > I installed an Aopen AON-325 network card from DisklessWorkstations.comon a > > VALinux 420 (700 MHz Celeron). > > > > It takes my new LTSP server a long time to boot -- there are various > > messages that the BIOS is too old, MPBIOS bug, agpgart: unable to > determine > > aperture size, etc., -- it spends a long time at TFTP ..... and says > PXE-E32 > > TFTP open timeout -- but it finally boots linux and all > > BIOS/MPBIOS messages are something you will have to sort out as far as > LTSP is concerned the process starts only on discovery of DHCPD. The > aperture size could be set to 8mb in BIOS if there is any such setting > available. I fixed the long boot process by changing the BIOS to default boot from SCSI without first trying the other default BIOS settings. The former TFTP timeout does not seem relevant. The time out message is what needs to be looked at from LTSP point of > view as this is indicating slow network. or network conflicts slowing > it down...like both NIC cards of LTSP two cars servers connected to > same physical network. But green indicators are telling us this may > not be so. My LTSP server still repeatedly Dec 12 14:36:14 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:40:f4:e8:e9:24 via eth0 Dec 12 14:36:15 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.253 to 00:40:f4:e8:e9:24 via eth0 while the client is "Searching for server (DHCP)" It seems strange to me that in the Service Configuration GUI that the tftp process is checked and says that xinetd is running -- however the start stop restart etc. buttons in the tool bar are inactive. -- > Regards, > Sudev Barar > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Bruce Anderson Westmont High School, Room 44 4805 Westmont Avenue Campbell, CA 95008 (408)378-1500 x6244 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Dec 13 00:56:06 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:56:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] PyKota RPMS at last! Message-ID: <457F4FA6.70702@paasda.org> Lovely printer quota software =) [quote from PyKota mailing list] After far too long, real PyKota RPMs are finally available. There are two parts to the process of using the PyKota RPMs: 1. Install the support repository for your distribution. See http://www.math.ohiou.edu/pub/casit/pykota/pykota-readme.txt for the details, paying particular attention to the GhostPCL section, and MySQL on EL4. 2. Acquire the PyKota RPMs that you are interested in. This may be done by downloading the latest MegaPack, or by visiting http://www.pykota.com/software/pykota/download/tarballs and getting the appropriate packages for your distribution. Once the support repository is enabled and you have the pykota RPMs you need, just run "yum localinstall pykota*" and you should be off to the races. If you have any questions, comments, or suggestions, please feel free to e-mail me or the mailing list. Enjoy! Matt -- Matt Hyclak Department of Mathematics Department of Social Work Ohio University (740) 593-1263 _______________________________________________ Support Contracts : http://www.librelogiciel.com/techsupport/ Goodies : http://www.cafeshops.com/pykota pykota mailing list pykota at librelogiciel.com http://cgi.librelogiciel.com/mailman/listinfo/pykota DON'T POST IN HTML ! [/quote] From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 01:56:13 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:26:13 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Installation Westmont High School In-Reply-To: <6583c9ed0612121507m4be89467tc351d3fbf76bf54@mail.gmail.com> References: <6583c9ed0612091222w6c56dba0qed8539b186b36e58@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20612091935g5748ab95y25e16f33f03098cf@mail.gmail.com> <6583c9ed0612121507m4be89467tc351d3fbf76bf54@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <774593a20612121756ja0bfa5aobde731ccf35845da@mail.gmail.com> On 13/12/06, Bruce Anderson wrote: > Sorry to be so slow, I have been teaching and not working on LTSP. > No problems. I am snipping out lot of stuff and just quoting few lines. > > On 10/12/06, Bruce Anderson wrote: > classroom. All the classroom computers are 192.168.44.x My LTSP server is > 192.168.44.57 on eth1 by dhcp from the classroom server and is 192.168.0.254 > on eth0 which directly connects to the client. > My LTSP server still repeatedly > Dec 12 14:36:14 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:40:f4:e8:e9:24 via eth0 > Dec 12 14:36:15 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.253 to > 00:40:f4:e8:e9:24 via eth0 > while the client is "Searching for server (DHCP)" > The above shows that there is something wrong with your dhcpd.conf file. You say first that your server eth0 is 192.168.0.254 but the log messages above show that dhcpd is offering 192.168.0.253 and then client keeps seraching for this "253" IP. So network boot is happening only the dhcpd server "254" is telling the client to seek boot files from "253" server which obviously is not there. Check out. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 02:47:02 2006 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:47:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] XSane on terminal trouble: "Failed to set value of option mode: Invalid argument" Message-ID: <8b88203f0612121847if3d23b7y2881c45322397ec9@mail.gmail.com> Anyone here who would know why my scanner attached to a terminal will only scan in binary, when attached to a standalone linux box works fine in color?? I've read the wiki and it is recognized in a terminal shell as the proper epson... When in xsane I try to change from binary to gray or color I get an error message: "Failed to set value of option mode: Invalid argument" Thanks Everyone, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If I plug in another USB mouse at this point of time (without rebooting) that mouse works without problems while this mouse continues up/down only behaviour. Pointers and help welcome. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 03:09:09 2006 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:09:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: XSane on terminal trouble: "Failed to set value of option mode: Invalid argument" Message-ID: <8b88203f0612121909k79aa36e4o209af91f8f6dd6d0@mail.gmail.com> Also with XINETD_SERVICES = "saned" is added to default in lts.conf, the scanner will scan in binary but XMMS audio fails! Anyone here who would know why my scanner attached to a terminal will only scan in binary, when attached to a standalone linux box works fine in color?? I've read the wiki and it is recognized in a terminal shell as the proper epson... When in xsane I try to change from binary to gray or color I get an error message: "Failed to set value of option mode: Invalid argument" Thanks Everyone, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at melwade.com Wed Dec 13 03:39:15 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:39:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FireFox Message-ID: <43080f460612121939j2aab9c4dkddabfbc05439b4c1@mail.gmail.com> I think some of this may have been hit before, but I can't find the reference. I have two FireFox questions. 1. I want to upgrade to FF 2.0. What is the easiest way to do this. 2. I want to be able to lock down firefox. It seems I have read that there if a configuration page where I can set home page and other settings for all users. I can't seem to locate this file. 3. Why isn't FF 2.0 in K12LTSP 6.0? OK, that was three questions. 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It seems I have read that > there if a configuration page where I can set home page and other > settings for all users. I can't seem to locate this file. > 3. Why isn't FF 2.0 in K12LTSP 6.0? > > OK, that was three questions. Sorry. > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From robark at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 04:42:52 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:42:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: wget won't work with tomsrtbt Message-ID: When trying to use wget (to grab files off the ltsp server) running in tomsrtbt on the lan I get "Connection Refused". wget http://192.168.0.254:/somefile But if I try wget from an ltsp client terminal it works fine. Anyone know why? I initially thought the firewall but eth0 is a trusted device so I am assuming it's not the firewall. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From mel at melwade.com Wed Dec 13 04:54:44 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:54:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FireFox In-Reply-To: <457F8538.7050702@paasda.org> References: <43080f460612121939j2aab9c4dkddabfbc05439b4c1@mail.gmail.com> <457F8538.7050702@paasda.org> Message-ID: <43080f460612122054s27f1d49fjaa704568aee34d7a@mail.gmail.com> about:config Does this set things for all users? -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Dec 13 05:24:14 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:24:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FireFox In-Reply-To: <43080f460612121939j2aab9c4dkddabfbc05439b4c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460612121939j2aab9c4dkddabfbc05439b4c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <457F8E7E.8040205@mesd.k12.or.us> Mel Wade wrote: > 1. I want to upgrade to FF 2.0. What is the easiest way to do this. It's not easy, see answer 3. You could get a tarball from mozilla.org, but you may loose some of the integration w/ GNOME/KDE, and it's files won't be managed by RPM anymore. :-( > 2. I want to be able to lock down firefox. It seems I have read that > there if a configuration page where I can set home page and other > settings for all users. I can't seem to locate this file. The Mozilla Client Customization Kit is probably the easiest way to do this, though you probably could hack up /usr/lib/firefox-*/defaults in a pinch. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/cck/firefox/ about:config is local to the user running Firefox. > 3. Why isn't FF 2.0 in K12LTSP 6.0? Firefox 2.0 isn't in K12LTSP 6.0 because Firefox 2.0 isn't in Fedora Core 6, on which the latest version K12LTSP is based. I don't believe that FF2.0 had been released prior to the development freeze for FC6 (several months ago). The Fedora FF maintainer basically said it would be a lot of work for what he saw as negligible benefit. It's been pushed off to FC7. FF 2.0 just wasn't ready in time. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 06:03:26 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:03:26 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] FireFox In-Reply-To: <43080f460612121939j2aab9c4dkddabfbc05439b4c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460612121939j2aab9c4dkddabfbc05439b4c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: There are three kinds of people in the world... those who can count and those who can't. ;->) Sorry couldn't resist. On 13/12/06, Mel Wade wrote: > I think some of this may have been hit before, but I can't find the > reference. > > I have two FireFox questions. > > > I want to upgrade to FF 2.0. What is the easiest way to do this. > I want to be able to lock down firefox. It seems I have read that there if > a configuration page where I can set home page and other settings for all > users. I can't seem to locate this file. > Why isn't FF 2.0 in K12LTSP 6.0?OK, that was three questions. Sorry. > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ahodson at elp.rr.com Wed Dec 13 05:09:52 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan Hodson) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:09:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Join TOSS Message-ID: <1165986592.3995.3.camel@HodsonNet1> I am in the process of updating the Members area of the TOSS Foundation's site (http://tossfoundation.org), and would like to invite list members who are not only active LTSP users but also Open Source advocates to send me your names off list if you would like to appear in this page. A one liner with personal info should suffice: I apologize if this request seems inappropriate, but on a daily basis I learn here, and you all certainly are at the cutting edge of of humanizing technology. Cheers Alan -=o=- From aimssda at cscoms.com Wed Dec 13 06:13:40 2006 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (Edwardson) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:13:40 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp 6 - login slow In-Reply-To: <20061212170023.1CCB87372E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061212170023.1CCB87372E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <457F9A14.70605@cscoms.com> > > > I upgraded my k12 v5 to k12 v6. I noticed that after a user enters > > username/password, it will show a blank window with only an arrow and it > > will stay like that for about 5-10 then gnome will come out. What could > > be the cause of this problem? > >>Can you try creating a new user and logging in with that username? I'm >> curious if old user-specific desktop settings are causing the slowness. >>Dan Young >>Multnomah ESD - Technology Services >>503-257-1562 >>-- Hi Dan, It also happens with new user accounts. The more user that logs in, the slower. With one user, it takes about 5-10 seconds. with about 15-25 users, about 5-10 mins. Icewm doesn't have menu also. Regards, Edward Thailand From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Dec 13 06:11:01 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:11:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 on K12LTSP 5.0.0 Message-ID: <457F9975.10101@snarlnet.com> Hi, Has anyone tried this on K12LTSP 5.0.0 http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 NTAVO is recommending this as a possible solution to a choppy audio problem on my 6030P's during major screen redraws that I asked about here a while ago. I'm wondering if this works and/or is recommended with K12LTSP 5.0.0 and also if there's a way to uninstall this (revert back to what I have now) if it does nothing or harm. Thanks, ck From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 11:56:52 2006 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:56:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] TuxPaint 0.9.16 vs. KidPix a teachers perspective In-Reply-To: <2be970b50612121415u2ecfe3a8g9a35de65634f108e@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50612121351g441beb69iae55c39d40aba803@mail.gmail.com> <20061213080223.glpgd89d65a8wos0@www.redjocks.com> <2be970b50612121415u2ecfe3a8g9a35de65634f108e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612130756.52962.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> While it is OK to have the same account on multiple standalone machines, it will not be OK to have one login for 20 users on the same machine (i.e. with LTSP). This is not a problem with TuxPaint (as the original post implied), but with the administrative decisions that were made in setting up the lab. Logins for very young students are tough, but ignoring the operational assumptions of the OS is going to cause myriad problems (not just with TuxPaint). If/when you make the change to LTSP consider kiosk-style accounts with one account per *terminal*, this would at least eliminate having to create/maintain accounts for every student. On Tuesday 12 December 2006 18:15, john wrote: > Thanks for the feedback. We have the lab in question set up using windows. > In this age group (k-5) students login with a user-name based on the > teacher for that class. So all 28 kids log in as "smith" for example. > Inside of the "smith" folder on a network share called k:\Smith is another > directory with each students name on it. Students drop work in that > directory. This isn't the ideal set up, but for various historical reasons > that is the convention we use. AFAIK because you can't "save-as" you can't > name the image to differentiate it from other kids work. Short of > providing logins for all the k-3 set who generally use this I don't see a > way around it. > > What do you think? > > As a side note, my goal is to replace this lab with an LTSP set up, but I > need to have analogs for those things which are favorites. KidPix and Type > to learn are big ones. Has anyone ever tried to run these under cross-over > office? > > John > > On 12/12/06, Samps wrote: > > Quoting john : > > >> - Kids can't save to their [own] file - every station would have > > > > everyone's > > > > > art - and can be deleted by anyone > > > - There isn't an import option to bring in pictures saved from the > > > > internet > > > > > or a digital camera. > > > > Have a look at the 'savedir=' option in the doko, it'll do the trick: > > > > http://tuxpaint.org/docs/html/OPTIONS.html > > > > > > Samps > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 13 13:53:50 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 05:53:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 on K12LTSP 5.0.0 In-Reply-To: <457F9975.10101@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <20061213135350.37956.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Carl, I just installed this package in Xubuntu 6.10 running LTSP 4.2, and I can say it worked well for me. There is no uninstall script, but I just took a look at the install script and I think I know how you would manually uninstall it. Besides copying some driver files to your ltsp tree, it also modifies /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sound -- luckily, it makes a backup of the old file as rc.sound.symbiont.bak I think this is the only file you would have to change to revert back to your original state. I don't think the mere presence of driver files would cause any harm -- I think it is the rc.sound file that calls those drivers. If you wanted, you could also delete /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/audiolist-alsa, which is another file that the install script places in your ltsp tree. If you want to track down all the driver files, you could untar the ltsp-alsa-*.tgz files that came in the original tar file, then track down those files in your ltsp tree and delete them. I just tried it, and there are a lot of files to track down, and I don't think it's necessary to do. Summary-- I think you can revert to your original settings with this command: mv /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sound.symbiont.bak /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sound Good luck! -Rob --- Carl Keil wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone tried this on K12LTSP 5.0.0 > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 > > NTAVO is recommending this as a possible solution to > a choppy audio problem on my 6030P's during major > screen redraws that I asked about here a while ago. > > I'm wondering if this works and/or is recommended > with K12LTSP 5.0.0 and also if there's a way to > uninstall this (revert back to what I have now) if > it does nothing or harm. > > Thanks, > > ck > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 13 13:54:56 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 05:54:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Replacing old AGP card In-Reply-To: <457DA163.1060508@paasda.org> Message-ID: <387406.84616.qm@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Huck, I did a very quick search of this card and can't find it. "5200" keeps coming up referencing an nvidia card. Is that number correct? -Rob --- Huck wrote: > you can get ati rage 5200 for cheap > > Rob Owens wrote: > > Some of my thin clients have old AGP cards that > cannot > > display 1280x1024, so I'm looking to upgrade them. > > > How good of a card should I be looking for? I'm > > suspecting that my motherboard might be a limiting > > factor if I get too high-end of a video card. > > > > The thin clients are old PII machines. The AGP > slot > > has a "divider" that is closer to the monitor > > connector than to the opposite end of the card (I > know > > the position of the "divider" makes a difference, > I'm > > just not sure what exactly it means). > > > > In my price range are 2x, 4x, and 8x cards with > 32, > > 64, or 128 MB RAM. I'd like to get the best I > can, > > without wasting money on a card that gets crippled > by > > my motherboard. > > > > Any suggestions are welcome. > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at > www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Wed Dec 13 14:31:52 2006 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:31:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 on K12LTSP 5.0.0 In-Reply-To: <20061213135350.37956.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061213135350.37956.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1166020312.13107.4.camel@localhost> Heh, or you could just *ask* me. I don't bite. Hi, Gadi here - I put together said package. Actually, to revert back on a K12 box, you could just ask yum to reinstall the original rpm, and it should put the K12 box back the way it was originally. I wouldnt recommend just copying back the old rc.sound file, because the esd binaries in this package are compiled against ALSA (as opposed to the originals, compiled against OSS), so to revert you would need the originals. But, luckily, you are on a package-based system, so yum or apt or any other package manager you use should be able to reinstall the original rpm, if you ask nicely. :) BTW, as long as the version of K12LTSP you are using is using LTSP 4.2, the package should work without problems. Cheers, -Gadi On Wed, 2006-12-13 at 05:53 -0800, Rob Owens wrote: > Carl, > > I just installed this package in Xubuntu 6.10 running > LTSP 4.2, and I can say it worked well for me. There > is no uninstall script, but I just took a look at the > install script and I think I know how you would > manually uninstall it. > > Besides copying some driver files to your ltsp tree, > it also modifies /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sound -- > luckily, it makes a backup of the old file as > rc.sound.symbiont.bak I think this is the only file > you would have to change to revert back to your > original state. > > I don't think the mere presence of driver files would > cause any harm -- I think it is the rc.sound file that > calls those drivers. If you wanted, you could also > delete /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/audiolist-alsa, which is > another file that the install script places in your > ltsp tree. > > If you want to track down all the driver files, you > could untar the ltsp-alsa-*.tgz files that came in the > original tar file, then track down those files in your > ltsp tree and delete them. I just tried it, and there > are a lot of files to track down, and I don't think > it's necessary to do. > > Summary-- I think you can revert to your original > settings with this command: > mv /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sound.symbiont.bak > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sound > > Good luck! > > -Rob > > --- Carl Keil wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Has anyone tried this on K12LTSP 5.0.0 > > > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 > > > > NTAVO is recommending this as a possible solution to > > a choppy audio problem on my 6030P's during major > > screen redraws that I asked about here a while ago. > > > > I'm wondering if this works and/or is recommended > > with K12LTSP 5.0.0 and also if there's a way to > > uninstall this (revert back to what I have now) if > > it does nothing or harm. > > > > Thanks, > > > > ck > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Proud LTSP Developer ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Support LTSP! Buy your hardware at: www.DisklessWorkstations.com www.DisklessThinClients.com (use coupon code: LTSP5P for 5% off thin clients from DisklessThinClients.com) From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Dec 13 14:58:07 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:58:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Replacing old AGP card In-Reply-To: <387406.84616.qm@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <387406.84616.qm@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I actually happen to have one, its a 5200FX. Great MPEG 2 acceleration with the binary drivers considering the age of the hardware. I bought it for a MythTV box. On Dec 13, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > Huck, I did a very quick search of this card and can't > find it. "5200" keeps coming up referencing an nvidia > card. Is that number correct? > > -Rob > > --- Huck wrote: > >> you can get ati rage 5200 for cheap >> >> Rob Owens wrote: >>> Some of my thin clients have old AGP cards that >> cannot >>> display 1280x1024, so I'm looking to upgrade them. >> >>> How good of a card should I be looking for? I'm >>> suspecting that my motherboard might be a limiting >>> factor if I get too high-end of a video card. >>> >>> The thin clients are old PII machines. The AGP >> slot >>> has a "divider" that is closer to the monitor >>> connector than to the opposite end of the card (I >> know >>> the position of the "divider" makes a difference, >> I'm >>> just not sure what exactly it means). >>> >>> In my price range are 2x, 4x, and 8x cards with >> 32, >>> 64, or 128 MB RAM. I'd like to get the best I >> can, >>> without wasting money on a card that gets crippled >> by >>> my motherboard. >>> >>> Any suggestions are welcome. >>> >>> -Rob >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ >>> Any questions? Get answers on any topic at >> www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkWAFQAACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQSdQCeI2/zPNtKwAFv1xDrL9xDBBKH 9aYAnjVCDbCQMF5FmwimzJ4kuiJ1nNu9 =v+t/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lists.john at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 15:55:53 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:55:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] TuxPaint 0.9.16 vs. KidPix a teachers perspective In-Reply-To: <200612130756.52962.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> References: <2be970b50612121351g441beb69iae55c39d40aba803@mail.gmail.com> <20061213080223.glpgd89d65a8wos0@www.redjocks.com> <2be970b50612121415u2ecfe3a8g9a35de65634f108e@mail.gmail.com> <200612130756.52962.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50612130755p3c3aef42nf2b8662668e85d0b@mail.gmail.com> Sound advice indeed! John On 12/13/06, John Lucas wrote: > > While it is OK to have the same account on multiple standalone machines, > it > will not be OK to have one login for 20 users on the same machine (i.e. > with > LTSP). > > This is not a problem with TuxPaint (as the original post implied), but > with > the administrative decisions that were made in setting up the lab. Logins > for > very young students are tough, but ignoring the operational assumptions of > the OS is going to cause myriad problems (not just with TuxPaint). If/when > you make the change to LTSP consider kiosk-style accounts with one account > per *terminal*, this would at least eliminate having to create/maintain > accounts for every student. > > On Tuesday 12 December 2006 18:15, john wrote: > > Thanks for the feedback. We have the lab in question set up using > windows. > > In this age group (k-5) students login with a user-name based on the > > teacher for that class. So all 28 kids log in as "smith" for example. > > Inside of the "smith" folder on a network share called k:\Smith is > another > > directory with each students name on it. Students drop work in that > > directory. This isn't the ideal set up, but for various historical > reasons > > that is the convention we use. AFAIK because you can't "save-as" you > can't > > name the image to differentiate it from other kids work. Short of > > providing logins for all the k-3 set who generally use this I don't see > a > > way around it. > > > > What do you think? > > > > As a side note, my goal is to replace this lab with an LTSP set up, but > I > > need to have analogs for those things which are favorites. KidPix and > Type > > to learn are big ones. Has anyone ever tried to run these under > cross-over > > office? > > > > John > > > > On 12/12/06, Samps wrote: > > > Quoting john : > > > >> - Kids can't save to their [own] file - every station would have > > > > > > everyone's > > > > > > > art - and can be deleted by anyone > > > > - There isn't an import option to bring in pictures saved from the > > > > > > internet > > > > > > > or a digital camera. > > > > > > Have a look at the 'savedir=' option in the doko, it'll do the trick: > > > > > > http://tuxpaint.org/docs/html/OPTIONS.html > > > > > > > > > Samps > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > -- > "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." > - Mark Twain > > | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com > | > | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/| > | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) > | > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists.john at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 15:59:15 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:59:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 on K12LTSP 5.0.0 In-Reply-To: <1166020312.13107.4.camel@localhost> References: <20061213135350.37956.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1166020312.13107.4.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <2be970b50612130759q3dcd3452n9da28e6adac0b4d6@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for putting that together Gadi. Your work put an end to my 3 looooooooong days of trying all sorts of stuff to get sound working on Ubuntu 6.06 and Ntavo 6020A's. Hats off to you! John On 12/13/06, Gideon Romm wrote: > > Heh, or you could just *ask* me. I don't bite. Hi, Gadi here - I put > together said package. Actually, to revert back on a K12 box, you could > just ask yum to reinstall the original rpm, and it should put the K12 > box back the way it was originally. > > I wouldnt recommend just copying back the old rc.sound file, because the > esd binaries in this package are compiled against ALSA (as opposed to > the originals, compiled against OSS), so to revert you would need the > originals. But, luckily, you are on a package-based system, so yum or > apt or any other package manager you use should be able to reinstall the > original rpm, if you ask nicely. :) > > BTW, as long as the version of K12LTSP you are using is using LTSP 4.2, > the package should work without problems. > > Cheers, > > -Gadi > > On Wed, 2006-12-13 at 05:53 -0800, Rob Owens wrote: > > Carl, > > > > I just installed this package in Xubuntu 6.10 running > > LTSP 4.2, and I can say it worked well for me. There > > is no uninstall script, but I just took a look at the > > install script and I think I know how you would > > manually uninstall it. > > > > Besides copying some driver files to your ltsp tree, > > it also modifies /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sound -- > > luckily, it makes a backup of the old file as > > rc.sound.symbiont.bak I think this is the only file > > you would have to change to revert back to your > > original state. > > > > I don't think the mere presence of driver files would > > cause any harm -- I think it is the rc.sound file that > > calls those drivers. If you wanted, you could also > > delete /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/audiolist-alsa, which is > > another file that the install script places in your > > ltsp tree. > > > > If you want to track down all the driver files, you > > could untar the ltsp-alsa-*.tgz files that came in the > > original tar file, then track down those files in your > > ltsp tree and delete them. I just tried it, and there > > are a lot of files to track down, and I don't think > > it's necessary to do. > > > > Summary-- I think you can revert to your original > > settings with this command: > > mv /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sound.symbiont.bak > > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sound > > > > Good luck! > > > > -Rob > > > > --- Carl Keil wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Has anyone tried this on K12LTSP 5.0.0 > > > > > > > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 > > > > > > NTAVO is recommending this as a possible solution to > > > a choppy audio problem on my 6030P's during major > > > screen redraws that I asked about here a while ago. > > > > > > I'm wondering if this works and/or is recommended > > > with K12LTSP 5.0.0 and also if there's a way to > > > uninstall this (revert back to what I have now) if > > > it does nothing or harm. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > ck > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Dec 13 16:25:13 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:25:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TuxPaint 0.9.16 vs. KidPix a teachers perspective In-Reply-To: <2be970b50612130755p3c3aef42nf2b8662668e85d0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50612121351g441beb69iae55c39d40aba803@mail.gmail.com> < > <20061213080223.glpgd89d65a8wos0@www.redjocks.com> < > <2be970b50612121415u2ecfe3a8g9a35de65634f108e@mail.gmail.com> < > <200612130756.52962.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <2be970b50612130755p3c3aef42nf2b8662668e85d0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I disagree that logins are tough for young kids....my kids do it all the time and they start in kindergarten. What I have done for my kindergartners is created a simple password.... "12345" They learn their username pretty quickly, but they also come into the lab with a "login card" which features the two screenshots of username and password for gdm on K12LTSP. I used OO and did a mailmerge to create the login cards from the same list that I used to create the accounts in the first place. the kid takes their card....goes to a computer and logs in. In 1st grade we then move to normal passwords....and they do fine after the first few times....they too have login cards. In fact, I provide login cards (8.5 x 11 for little ones and half size for the older kids) for everyone....the older kids....grades 3+ don't bother with them after the first couple times as they memorize their passwords. If you start in the beginning with having the kids log in....then there are no bad habits to break with regard to "mass logins". Each kid has their own space on the network.... Teach them now....not later. For the younger kids the teachers often laminate the cards and keep them until the kids need them to log in into a computer either in the lab or the classroom. For the older ones they pass them out the first day of school to the kids with the instructions to memorize them ASAP. "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >Sound advice indeed! > >John > >On 12/13/06, John Lucas <[ mailto:mrjohnlucas at gmail.com >]mrjohnlucas at gmail.com> wrote: > >While it is OK to have the same account on multiple standalone machines, >it >will not be OK to have one login for 20 users on the same machine (i.e. >with >LTSP). > >This is not a problem with TuxPaint (as the original post implied), but >with >the administrative decisions that were made in setting up the lab. Logins >for >very young students are tough, but ignoring the operational assumptions of >the OS is going to cause myriad problems (not just with TuxPaint). >If/when >you make the change to LTSP consider kiosk-style accounts with one account >per *terminal*, this would at least eliminate having to create/maintain >accounts for every student. > >On Tuesday 12 December 2006 18:15, john wrote: >> Thanks for the feedback. We have the lab in question set up using >windows. >> In this age group (k-5) students login with a user-name based on the >> teacher for that class. So all 28 kids log in as "smith" for example. >> Inside of the "smith" folder on a network share called k:\Smith is >another >> directory with each students name on it. Students drop work in that >> directory. This isn't the ideal set up, but for various historical >reasons >> that is the convention we use. AFAIK because you can't "save-as" you >can't >> name the image to differentiate it from other kids work. Short of >> providing logins for all the k-3 set who generally use this I don't see >a >> way around it. >> >> What do you think? >> >> As a side note, my goal is to replace this lab with an LTSP set up, but >I >> need to have analogs for those things which are favorites. KidPix and >Type >> to learn are big ones. Has anyone ever tried to run these under >cross-over >> office? >> >> John >> >> On 12/12/06, Samps <[ mailto:samps at unplugd.com ]samps at unplugd.com> >wrote: >> > Quoting john <[ mailto:lists.john at gmail.com ]lists.john at gmail.com>: >> > >> - Kids can't save to their [own] file - every station would have >> > >> > everyone's >> > >> > > art - and can be deleted by anyone >> > > - There isn't an import option to bring in pictures saved from the >> > >> > internet >> > >> > > or a digital camera. >> > >> > Have a look at the 'savedir=' option in the doko, it'll do the trick: >> > >> > [ http://tuxpaint.org/docs/html/OPTIONS.html >]http://tuxpaint.org/docs/html/OPTIONS.html >> > >> > >> > Samps >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > [ mailto:K12OSN at redhat.com ]K12OSN at redhat.com >> > [ https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >]https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see <[ http://www.k12os.org ]http://www.k12os.org> > >-- > "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." > - Mark Twain > >| John Lucas [ mailto:MrJohnLucas at gmail.com >]MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | >| St. Thomas, VI 00802 [ >http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ ]http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | >| 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) >| > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Dec 13 16:25:13 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:25:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TuxPaint 0.9.16 vs. KidPix a teachers perspective In-Reply-To: <2be970b50612130755p3c3aef42nf2b8662668e85d0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50612121351g441beb69iae55c39d40aba803@mail.gmail.com> < > <20061213080223.glpgd89d65a8wos0@www.redjocks.com> < > <2be970b50612121415u2ecfe3a8g9a35de65634f108e@mail.gmail.com> < > <200612130756.52962.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> <2be970b50612130755p3c3aef42nf2b8662668e85d0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I disagree that logins are tough for young kids....my kids do it all the time and they start in kindergarten. What I have done for my kindergartners is created a simple password.... "12345" They learn their username pretty quickly, but they also come into the lab with a "login card" which features the two screenshots of username and password for gdm on K12LTSP. I used OO and did a mailmerge to create the login cards from the same list that I used to create the accounts in the first place. the kid takes their card....goes to a computer and logs in. In 1st grade we then move to normal passwords....and they do fine after the first few times....they too have login cards. In fact, I provide login cards (8.5 x 11 for little ones and half size for the older kids) for everyone....the older kids....grades 3+ don't bother with them after the first couple times as they memorize their passwords. If you start in the beginning with having the kids log in....then there are no bad habits to break with regard to "mass logins". Each kid has their own space on the network.... Teach them now....not later. For the younger kids the teachers often laminate the cards and keep them until the kids need them to log in into a computer either in the lab or the classroom. For the older ones they pass them out the first day of school to the kids with the instructions to memorize them ASAP. "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >Sound advice indeed! > >John > >On 12/13/06, John Lucas <[ mailto:mrjohnlucas at gmail.com >]mrjohnlucas at gmail.com> wrote: > >While it is OK to have the same account on multiple standalone machines, >it >will not be OK to have one login for 20 users on the same machine (i.e. >with >LTSP). > >This is not a problem with TuxPaint (as the original post implied), but >with >the administrative decisions that were made in setting up the lab. Logins >for >very young students are tough, but ignoring the operational assumptions of >the OS is going to cause myriad problems (not just with TuxPaint). >If/when >you make the change to LTSP consider kiosk-style accounts with one account >per *terminal*, this would at least eliminate having to create/maintain >accounts for every student. > >On Tuesday 12 December 2006 18:15, john wrote: >> Thanks for the feedback. We have the lab in question set up using >windows. >> In this age group (k-5) students login with a user-name based on the >> teacher for that class. So all 28 kids log in as "smith" for example. >> Inside of the "smith" folder on a network share called k:\Smith is >another >> directory with each students name on it. Students drop work in that >> directory. This isn't the ideal set up, but for various historical >reasons >> that is the convention we use. AFAIK because you can't "save-as" you >can't >> name the image to differentiate it from other kids work. Short of >> providing logins for all the k-3 set who generally use this I don't see >a >> way around it. >> >> What do you think? >> >> As a side note, my goal is to replace this lab with an LTSP set up, but >I >> need to have analogs for those things which are favorites. KidPix and >Type >> to learn are big ones. Has anyone ever tried to run these under >cross-over >> office? >> >> John >> >> On 12/12/06, Samps <[ mailto:samps at unplugd.com ]samps at unplugd.com> >wrote: >> > Quoting john <[ mailto:lists.john at gmail.com ]lists.john at gmail.com>: >> > >> - Kids can't save to their [own] file - every station would have >> > >> > everyone's >> > >> > > art - and can be deleted by anyone >> > > - There isn't an import option to bring in pictures saved from the >> > >> > internet >> > >> > > or a digital camera. >> > >> > Have a look at the 'savedir=' option in the doko, it'll do the trick: >> > >> > [ http://tuxpaint.org/docs/html/OPTIONS.html >]http://tuxpaint.org/docs/html/OPTIONS.html >> > >> > >> > Samps >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > [ mailto:K12OSN at redhat.com ]K12OSN at redhat.com >> > [ https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >]https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see <[ http://www.k12os.org ]http://www.k12os.org> > >-- > "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." > - Mark Twain > >| John Lucas [ mailto:MrJohnLucas at gmail.com >]MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | >| St. Thomas, VI 00802 [ >http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ ]http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | >| 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) >| > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Dec 13 16:31:29 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:31:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] PyKota RPMS at last! In-Reply-To: <457F4FA6.70702@paasda.org> References: <457F4FA6.70702@paasda.org> Message-ID: Has anyone tried this on a stock K12LTSP 5 box with Fedora? I'd like to give it a whirl, but want to make sure it won't mess up a production box "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >Lovely printer quota software =) > >[quote from PyKota mailing list] >After far too long, real PyKota RPMs are finally available. There are two >parts to the process of using the PyKota RPMs: > >1. Install the support repository for your distribution. See > http://www.math.ohiou.edu/pub/casit/pykota/pykota-readme.txt for the > details, paying particular attention to the GhostPCL section, and >MySQL > on EL4. > >2. Acquire the PyKota RPMs that you are interested in. This may be done > by downloading the latest MegaPack, or by visiting > http://www.pykota.com/software/pykota/download/tarballs and getting >the > appropriate packages for your distribution. > >Once the support repository is enabled and you have the pykota RPMs you >need, just run "yum localinstall pykota*" and you should be off to the >races. > >If you have any questions, comments, or suggestions, please feel free to >e-mail me or the mailing list. > >Enjoy! > >Matt > >-- Matt Hyclak Department of Mathematics Department of Social Work Ohio >University (740) 593-1263 >_______________________________________________ Support Contracts : >http://www.librelogiciel.com/techsupport/ Goodies : >http://www.cafeshops.com/pykota pykota mailing list >pykota at librelogiciel.com >http://cgi.librelogiciel.com/mailman/listinfo/pykota DON'T POST IN HTML ! >[/quote] > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Dec 13 16:33:27 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:33:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 on K12LTSP 5.0.0 In-Reply-To: <457F9975.10101@snarlnet.com> References: <457F9975.10101@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: I have...works fine! "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >Hi, > >Has anyone tried this on K12LTSP 5.0.0 > >http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 > >NTAVO is recommending this as a possible solution to a choppy audio >problem on my 6030P's during major screen redraws that I asked about here >a while ago. > >I'm wondering if this works and/or is recommended with K12LTSP 5.0.0 and >also if there's a way to uninstall this (revert back to what I have now) >if it does nothing or harm. > >Thanks, > >ck > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From bruce.g.anderson at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 17:36:14 2006 From: bruce.g.anderson at gmail.com (Bruce Anderson) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:36:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Installation Westmont High School In-Reply-To: <774593a20612121756ja0bfa5aobde731ccf35845da@mail.gmail.com> References: <6583c9ed0612091222w6c56dba0qed8539b186b36e58@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20612091935g5748ab95y25e16f33f03098cf@mail.gmail.com> <6583c9ed0612121507m4be89467tc351d3fbf76bf54@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20612121756ja0bfa5aobde731ccf35845da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6583c9ed0612130936x1ec60d74g55ecde1ca0965427@mail.gmail.com> Westmont H.S. dhcpd.conf > > On 10/12/06, Bruce Anderson wrote: > > classroom. All the classroom computers are 192.168.44.x My LTSP server > is > > 192.168.44.57 on eth1 by dhcp from the classroom server and is > 192.168.0.254 > > on eth0 which directly connects to the client. > > > > My LTSP server still repeatedly > > Dec 12 14:36:14 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:40:f4:e8:e9:24 via > eth0 > > Dec 12 14:36:15 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.253 to > > 00:40:f4:e8:e9:24 via eth0 > > while the client is "Searching for server (DHCP)" > > > > > The above shows that there is something wrong with your dhcpd.conf > file. You say first that your server eth0 is 192.168.0.254 but the log > messages above show that dhcpd is offering 192.168.0.253 and then > client keeps seraching for this "253" IP. I thought that DHCPOFFER meant that the server was offering 253 to be the ip for the client. In my dhcpd.conf, I changed the range ending from 253 to 199 and now the messages file shows Dec 13 09:16:39 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:40:f4:e8:e9:24 via eth0 Dec 13 09:16:40 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.199 to 00:40:f4:e8:e9:24 via eth0 The MAC address is the one for my client. I also added a next-server 192.168.0.254; to dhcpd.conf as per some stuff I found about Siaddr field at wiki.ltsp.org Otherwise my dhcpd.conf is the default for K12LTSP version 4.4.1 I have attached my current dhcpd.conf As far as I understand, it accords with several examples I see at wiki.ltsp.org So network boot is happening only the dhcpd server "254" is telling > the client to seek boot files from "253" server which obviously is not > there. > > Check out. > > -- Bruce Anderson Westmont High School, Room 44 4805 Westmont Avenue Campbell, CA 95008 (408)378-1500 x6244 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Great > MPEG 2 > acceleration with the binary drivers considering the > age of the > hardware. > I bought it for a MythTV box. > > On Dec 13, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > > > Huck, I did a very quick search of this card and > can't > > find it. "5200" keeps coming up referencing an > nvidia > > card. Is that number correct? > > > > -Rob > > > > --- Huck wrote: > > > >> you can get ati rage 5200 for cheap > >> > >> Rob Owens wrote: > >>> Some of my thin clients have old AGP cards that > >> cannot > >>> display 1280x1024, so I'm looking to upgrade > them. > >> > >>> How good of a card should I be looking for? I'm > >>> suspecting that my motherboard might be a > limiting > >>> factor if I get too high-end of a video card. > >>> > >>> The thin clients are old PII machines. The AGP > >> slot > >>> has a "divider" that is closer to the monitor > >>> connector than to the opposite end of the card > (I > >> know > >>> the position of the "divider" makes a > difference, > >> I'm > >>> just not sure what exactly it means). > >>> > >>> In my price range are 2x, 4x, and 8x cards with > >> 32, > >>> 64, or 128 MB RAM. I'd like to get the best I > >> can, > >>> without wasting money on a card that gets > crippled > >> by > >>> my motherboard. > >>> > >>> Any suggestions are welcome. > >>> > >>> -Rob > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ______________ > >>> Any questions? Get answers on any topic at > >> www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > >>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ______________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 13 18:46:09 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:46:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] TuxPaint 0.9.16 vs. KidPix a teachers perspective In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061213184609.88265.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree with David. My 3-year-old son logs in with a username (his first name) and password (same as his username). It's a great way to get kids to learn to type their name, and helps them learn/remember how to spell it. -Rob --- David Trask wrote: > I disagree that logins are tough for young > kids....my kids do it all the > time and they start in kindergarten. What I have > done for my > kindergartners is created a simple password.... > "12345" They learn their > username pretty quickly, but they also come into the > lab with a "login > card" which features the two screenshots of username > and password for gdm > on K12LTSP. I used OO and did a mailmerge to create > the login cards from > the same list that I used to create the accounts in > the first place. the > kid takes their card....goes to a computer and logs > in. In 1st grade we > then move to normal passwords....and they do fine > after the first few > times....they too have login cards. In fact, I > provide login cards (8.5 x > 11 for little ones and half size for the older kids) > for everyone....the > older kids....grades 3+ don't bother with them after > the first couple > times as they memorize their passwords. If you > start in the beginning > with having the kids log in....then there are no bad > habits to break with > regard to "mass logins". Each kid has their own > space on the network.... > Teach them now....not later. > > For the younger kids the teachers often laminate the > cards and keep them > until the kids need them to log in into a computer > either in the lab or > the classroom. For the older ones they pass them > out the first day of > school to the kids with the instructions to memorize > them ASAP. > > > "Support list for open source software in schools." > > writes: > >Sound advice indeed! > > > >John > > > >On 12/13/06, John Lucas <[ > mailto:mrjohnlucas at gmail.com > >]mrjohnlucas at gmail.com> wrote: > > > >While it is OK to have the same account on multiple > standalone machines, > >it > >will not be OK to have one login for 20 users on > the same machine (i.e. > >with > >LTSP). > > > >This is not a problem with TuxPaint (as the > original post implied), but > >with > >the administrative decisions that were made in > setting up the lab. Logins > >for > >very young students are tough, but ignoring the > operational assumptions of > >the OS is going to cause myriad problems (not just > with TuxPaint). > >If/when > >you make the change to LTSP consider kiosk-style > accounts with one account > >per *terminal*, this would at least eliminate > having to create/maintain > >accounts for every student. > > > >On Tuesday 12 December 2006 18:15, john wrote: > >> Thanks for the feedback. We have the lab in > question set up using > >windows. > >> In this age group (k-5) students login with a > user-name based on the > >> teacher for that class. So all 28 kids log in as > "smith" for example. > >> Inside of the "smith" folder on a network share > called k:\Smith is > >another > >> directory with each students name on it. Students > drop work in that > >> directory. This isn't the ideal set up, but for > various historical > >reasons > >> that is the convention we use. AFAIK because you > can't "save-as" you > >can't > >> name the image to differentiate it from other > kids work. Short of > >> providing logins for all the k-3 set who > generally use this I don't see > >a > >> way around it. > >> > >> What do you think? > >> > >> As a side note, my goal is to replace this lab > with an LTSP set up, but > >I > >> need to have analogs for those things which are > favorites. KidPix and > >Type > >> to learn are big ones. Has anyone ever tried to > run these under > >cross-over > >> office? > >> > >> John > >> > >> On 12/12/06, Samps <[ mailto:samps at unplugd.com > ]samps at unplugd.com> > >wrote: > >> > Quoting john <[ mailto:lists.john at gmail.com > ]lists.john at gmail.com>: > >> > >> - Kids can't save to their [own] file - > every station would have > >> > > >> > everyone's > >> > > >> > > art - and can be deleted by anyone > >> > > - There isn't an import option to bring in > pictures saved from the > >> > > >> > internet > >> > > >> > > or a digital camera. > >> > > >> > Have a look at the 'savedir=' option in the > doko, it'll do the trick: > >> > > >> > [ http://tuxpaint.org/docs/html/OPTIONS.html > >]http://tuxpaint.org/docs/html/OPTIONS.html > >> > > >> > > >> > Samps > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > K12OSN mailing list > >> > [ mailto:K12OSN at redhat.com ]K12OSN at redhat.com > >> > [ > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >]https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> > For more info see <[ http://www.k12os.org > ]http://www.k12os.org> > > > >-- > > "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it > rhymes." > > - Mark Twain > > > >| John Lucas [ > mailto:MrJohnLucas at gmail.com > >]MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | > >| St. Thomas, VI 00802 [ > >http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ > ]http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | > >| 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) > > >| > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Dec 13 19:01:27 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:01:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] PyKota RPMS at last! In-Reply-To: References: <457F4FA6.70702@paasda.org> Message-ID: <19594.169.244.70.148.1166036487.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> ive run (or attempted pykota on fedora with fields in ldap..on the verge of having it working before we backed out and used print manager.in this it fouls up migrating ldap without being sure pykota schemas are there.. > Has anyone tried this on a stock K12LTSP 5 box with Fedora? I'd like to > give it a whirl, but want to make sure it won't mess up a production box > > > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: >>Lovely printer quota software =) >> >>[quote from PyKota mailing list] >>After far too long, real PyKota RPMs are finally available. There are two >>parts to the process of using the PyKota RPMs: >> >>1. Install the support repository for your distribution. See >> http://www.math.ohiou.edu/pub/casit/pykota/pykota-readme.txt for the >> details, paying particular attention to the GhostPCL section, and >>MySQL >> on EL4. >> >>2. Acquire the PyKota RPMs that you are interested in. This may be done >> by downloading the latest MegaPack, or by visiting >> http://www.pykota.com/software/pykota/download/tarballs and getting >>the >> appropriate packages for your distribution. >> >>Once the support repository is enabled and you have the pykota RPMs you >>need, just run "yum localinstall pykota*" and you should be off to the >>races. >> >>If you have any questions, comments, or suggestions, please feel free to >>e-mail me or the mailing list. >> >>Enjoy! >> >>Matt >> >>-- Matt Hyclak Department of Mathematics Department of Social Work Ohio >>University (740) 593-1263 >>_______________________________________________ Support Contracts : >>http://www.librelogiciel.com/techsupport/ Goodies : >>http://www.cafeshops.com/pykota pykota mailing list >>pykota at librelogiciel.com >>http://cgi.librelogiciel.com/mailman/listinfo/pykota DON'T POST IN HTML ! >>[/quote] >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dpalmerjr at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 18:50:04 2006 From: dpalmerjr at gmail.com (Darryl Palmer) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:50:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Scanner on K12ltsp 5 In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0612130959r36eaf045w213bf1cd04ccba73@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0612130959r36eaf045w213bf1cd04ccba73@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12/13/06, Jim Christiansen wrote: > > I'm still at a loss about why this Epson scanner works properly connected > to a stand-alone linux box. On a standalone XSane allows menu changes to > grayscale or color scanning- everything works through all of the menus. > > When connected to a terminal using the wiki at ltsp it is recognized but > will only scan in black and white... Any other menu changes respond with a > "Failed to set value" message. > See http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2005-January/012927.html you may have to run it directly from the command line. Darryl Palmer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Wed Dec 13 19:55:12 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:55:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TuxPaint 0.9.16 vs. KidPix a teachers perspective In-Reply-To: <20061213184609.88265.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061213184609.88265.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061213145512.101ed09d@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 10:46:09 -0800 (PST) Rob Owens wrote: > I agree with David. My 3-year-old son logs in with a > username (his first name) and password (same as his > username). It's a great way to get kids to learn to > type their name, and helps them learn/remember how to > spell it. > > -Rob > Just adding my .02 ... My children (I use LTSP at home) use their first name for the username, and their middle name for their password. They have all been doing it since each was 3 (oldest now 8, youngest - and biggest name btw - is now 4) It is true, I might not do that with a school, since not all kids have a middle name, but the same idea could work. Maybe kids name for username, and a parent's name for password. A pre-school I visited had kids using their STUDENT ID # as the username, and their own name as the password. To help the kids remember the stuff, the teachers wrote the info on Popsicle sticks. Then the process was very similar to the one about the laminated cards. -- http://gentgeen.homelinux.org ############################################################# Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Dec 13 20:52:31 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:52:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FireFox In-Reply-To: <457F8E7E.8040205@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43080f460612121939j2aab9c4dkddabfbc05439b4c1@mail.gmail.com> <457F8E7E.8040205@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4580680F.2010200@paasda.org> by that time FF 3.0 should be out ;) Dan Young wrote: >> 3. Why isn't FF 2.0 in K12LTSP 6.0? > > Firefox 2.0 isn't in K12LTSP 6.0 because Firefox 2.0 isn't in Fedora > Core 6, on which the latest version K12LTSP is based. I don't believe > that FF2.0 had been released prior to the development freeze for FC6 > (several months ago). The Fedora FF maintainer basically said it would > be a lot of work for what he saw as negligible benefit. It's been pushed > off to FC7. FF 2.0 just wasn't ready in time. > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Dec 13 20:54:14 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:54:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Replacing old AGP card In-Reply-To: <20061213182544.50502.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061213182544.50502.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45806876.50702@paasda.org> may be Nvidia...sorry.. also Ati Radeon 7000 is a cheap card --Huck Rob Owens wrote: > Burke, > > Is it an ATI card or an Nvidia? Huck said ATI, but I > can't find anything on an ATI 5200FX. > > By the way, MythTV is a concern to me -- I'd love to > be able to use this thin client to run mythfrontend. > > -Rob > > --- Burke Almquist > wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> I actually happen to have one, its a 5200FX. Great >> MPEG 2 >> acceleration with the binary drivers considering the >> age of the >> hardware. >> I bought it for a MythTV box. >> >> On Dec 13, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Rob Owens wrote: >> >>> Huck, I did a very quick search of this card and >> can't >>> find it. "5200" keeps coming up referencing an >> nvidia >>> card. Is that number correct? >>> >>> -Rob >>> >>> --- Huck wrote: >>> >>>> you can get ati rage 5200 for cheap >>>> >>>> Rob Owens wrote: >>>>> Some of my thin clients have old AGP cards that >>>> cannot >>>>> display 1280x1024, so I'm looking to upgrade >> them. >>>>> How good of a card should I be looking for? I'm >>>>> suspecting that my motherboard might be a >> limiting >>>>> factor if I get too high-end of a video card. >>>>> >>>>> The thin clients are old PII machines. The AGP >>>> slot >>>>> has a "divider" that is closer to the monitor >>>>> connector than to the opposite end of the card >> (I >>>> know >>>>> the position of the "divider" makes a >> difference, >>>> I'm >>>>> just not sure what exactly it means). >>>>> >>>>> In my price range are 2x, 4x, and 8x cards with >>>> 32, >>>>> 64, or 128 MB RAM. I'd like to get the best I >>>> can, >>>>> without wasting money on a card that gets >> crippled >>>> by >>>>> my motherboard. >>>>> >>>>> Any suggestions are welcome. >>>>> >>>>> -Rob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > ______________________________________________________________________ >>> ______________ >>>>> Any questions? Get answers on any topic at >>>> www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > ______________________________________________________________________ >>> ______________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail >> beta. >>> http://new.mail.yahoo.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) >> >> > iEYEARECAAYFAkWAFQAACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQSdQCeI2/zPNtKwAFv1xDrL9xDBBKH >> 9aYAnjVCDbCQMF5FmwimzJ4kuiJ1nNu9 >> =v+t/ >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Dec 13 20:57:04 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:57:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] PyKota RPMS at last! In-Reply-To: References: <457F4FA6.70702@paasda.org> Message-ID: <45806920.2080204@paasda.org> I use it on *cough* K12LTSP 2.0 *cough*... and used Jerome's rpms from back in the day.. I have no bells and whistles in use...just simple quotas based on cost per page printing. I will be installing it on K12LTSP 6.0 next week though using these RPMS...so I'll keep all posted. --Huck David Trask wrote: > Has anyone tried this on a stock K12LTSP 5 box with Fedora? I'd like to > give it a whirl, but want to make sure it won't mess up a production box > > > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: >> Lovely printer quota software =) >> >> [quote from PyKota mailing list] >> After far too long, real PyKota RPMs are finally available. There are two >> parts to the process of using the PyKota RPMs: >> >> 1. Install the support repository for your distribution. See >> http://www.math.ohiou.edu/pub/casit/pykota/pykota-readme.txt for the >> details, paying particular attention to the GhostPCL section, and >> MySQL >> on EL4. >> >> 2. Acquire the PyKota RPMs that you are interested in. This may be done >> by downloading the latest MegaPack, or by visiting >> http://www.pykota.com/software/pykota/download/tarballs and getting >> the >> appropriate packages for your distribution. >> >> Once the support repository is enabled and you have the pykota RPMs you >> need, just run "yum localinstall pykota*" and you should be off to the >> races. >> >> If you have any questions, comments, or suggestions, please feel free to >> e-mail me or the mailing list. >> >> Enjoy! >> >> Matt >> >> -- Matt Hyclak Department of Mathematics Department of Social Work Ohio >> University (740) 593-1263 >> _______________________________________________ Support Contracts : >> http://www.librelogiciel.com/techsupport/ Goodies : >> http://www.cafeshops.com/pykota pykota mailing list >> pykota at librelogiciel.com >> http://cgi.librelogiciel.com/mailman/listinfo/pykota DON'T POST IN HTML ! >> [/quote] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From mel at melwade.com Thu Dec 14 00:05:24 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 16:05:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing Problem Message-ID: <43080f460612131605h11c0fc7k77fb24101a101898@mail.gmail.com> On my new K12LSTP I can no longer print. I've noticed that on start the CUPS takes a long time in intialize - it finally does after a minute or two. Once I'm in the printer doesn't show up in KDE and the Printer control won't load. It says that its trying but never comes up. Can anyone help me? -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Huck said ATI, > but I > > can't find anything on an ATI 5200FX. > > > > By the way, MythTV is a concern to me -- I'd love > to > > be able to use this thin client to run > mythfrontend. > > > > -Rob > > > > --- Burke Almquist > > wrote: > > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> I actually happen to have one, its a 5200FX. > Great > >> MPEG 2 > >> acceleration with the binary drivers considering > the > >> age of the > >> hardware. > >> I bought it for a MythTV box. > >> > >> On Dec 13, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > >> > >>> Huck, I did a very quick search of this card and > >> can't > >>> find it. "5200" keeps coming up referencing an > >> nvidia > >>> card. Is that number correct? > >>> > >>> -Rob > >>> > >>> --- Huck wrote: > >>> > >>>> you can get ati rage 5200 for cheap > >>>> > >>>> Rob Owens wrote: > >>>>> Some of my thin clients have old AGP cards > that > >>>> cannot > >>>>> display 1280x1024, so I'm looking to upgrade > >> them. > >>>>> How good of a card should I be looking for? > I'm > >>>>> suspecting that my motherboard might be a > >> limiting > >>>>> factor if I get too high-end of a video card. > >>>>> > >>>>> The thin clients are old PII machines. The > AGP > >>>> slot > >>>>> has a "divider" that is closer to the monitor > >>>>> connector than to the opposite end of the card > >> (I > >>>> know > >>>>> the position of the "divider" makes a > >> difference, > >>>> I'm > >>>>> just not sure what exactly it means). > >>>>> > >>>>> In my price range are 2x, 4x, and 8x cards > with > >>>> 32, > >>>>> 64, or 128 MB RAM. I'd like to get the best I > >>>> can, > >>>>> without wasting money on a card that gets > >> crippled > >>>> by > >>>>> my motherboard. > >>>>> > >>>>> Any suggestions are welcome. > >>>>> > >>>>> -Rob > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > >>> ______________ > >>>>> Any questions? Get answers on any topic at > >>>> www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>>> K12OSN mailing list > >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>>> For more info see > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> K12OSN mailing list > >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>> For more info see > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > >>> ______________ > >>> Do you Yahoo!? > >>> Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Dec 14 00:57:59 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 06:27:59 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Installation Westmont High School In-Reply-To: <6583c9ed0612130936x1ec60d74g55ecde1ca0965427@mail.gmail.com> References: <6583c9ed0612091222w6c56dba0qed8539b186b36e58@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20612091935g5748ab95y25e16f33f03098cf@mail.gmail.com> <6583c9ed0612121507m4be89467tc351d3fbf76bf54@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20612121756ja0bfa5aobde731ccf35845da@mail.gmail.com> <6583c9ed0612130936x1ec60d74g55ecde1ca0965427@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <774593a20612131657o7523a37eicfcbe5dc31bd7515@mail.gmail.com> On 13/12/06, Bruce Anderson wrote: > > > Dec 12 14:36:15 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.253 to > > > 00:40:f4:e8:e9:24 via eth0 > > The above shows that there is something wrong with your dhcpd.conf > > file. You say first that your server eth0 is 192.168.0.254 but the log > > messages above show that dhcpd is offering 192.168.0.253 and then > > client keeps seraching for this "253" IP. > I thought that DHCPOFFER meant that the server was offering 253 to be the > ip for the client. In my dhcpd.conf, > I changed the range ending from 253 to 199 and now the messages file shows > > Dec 13 09:16:39 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:40:f4:e8:e9:24 via eth0 > Dec 13 09:16:40 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.199 to > 00:40:f4:e8:e9:24 via eth0 Cursing myself for putting foot in the mouth....You are right and I was wrong. So if the request for IP comes and an IP is offerred by server...what happens at client end? Does it go forth with dots flashing by or?? I always went back to http://ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1-en.html#AEN788 and did step by step check. HTH. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From mel at melwade.com Thu Dec 14 03:17:15 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:17:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Kill all your users In-Reply-To: <43080f460612112005wacc7e21m22fdfcf4eb1657a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <2859.76.179.82.249.1165888975.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <43080f460612112005wacc7e21m22fdfcf4eb1657a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43080f460612131917g2cc2cf0ax7d63234cf29c6260@mail.gmail.com> Sorry for my ignorance on this, but I'm not really understanding where to put a kill command for users in K12LSTP 6... -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at melwade.com Thu Dec 14 03:30:45 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:30:45 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Screen Reset - Bug? Message-ID: <43080f460612131930m505ab190o8becbc79bfbc71e6@mail.gmail.com> I still have problems with the console starting a new screen session whenever someone in the lab logs off. I've tried loggin in as someone but that doesn't seem to work. I've found reference to logging in a runlevel 3 to correct this problem, but I'm not sure where to go with this. I understand the concept of runlevels but not sure how to check/change this for the login. I'm also wondering if this is a bug in Verion 6 as I cant think of anything I've changed that would affect this. -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at melwade.com Thu Dec 14 03:42:56 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:42:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FireFox In-Reply-To: <4580680F.2010200@paasda.org> References: <43080f460612121939j2aab9c4dkddabfbc05439b4c1@mail.gmail.com> <457F8E7E.8040205@mesd.k12.or.us> <4580680F.2010200@paasda.org> Message-ID: <43080f460612131942l2d85d75bhc0caccfea015ccf@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the enlightenment... I'll sit tight with the version I have. I'm still looking for how to set homepages, etc system wide. This is and area where moving from Windows is difficult... In windows I could do a lot with policies (even for Firefox), but I don't see an equivelent on Linux. -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Dec 14 04:54:33 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:54:33 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FireFox In-Reply-To: <43080f460612131942l2d85d75bhc0caccfea015ccf@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460612121939j2aab9c4dkddabfbc05439b4c1@mail.gmail.com> <457F8E7E.8040205@mesd.k12.or.us> <4580680F.2010200@paasda.org> <43080f460612131942l2d85d75bhc0caccfea015ccf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4580D909.4000307@mesd.k12.or.us> Mel Wade wrote: > I'm still looking for how to set homepages, etc system wide. CCK http://www.mozilla.org/projects/cck/firefox/ Install the extension. You'll use it to construct another extension, which you can install system-wide defaults: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/cck/firefox/faqs.html -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From mel at melwade.com Thu Dec 14 05:09:59 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:09:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FireFox In-Reply-To: <4580D909.4000307@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43080f460612121939j2aab9c4dkddabfbc05439b4c1@mail.gmail.com> <457F8E7E.8040205@mesd.k12.or.us> <4580680F.2010200@paasda.org> <43080f460612131942l2d85d75bhc0caccfea015ccf@mail.gmail.com> <4580D909.4000307@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43080f460612132109o67ff6126l5f4ace79dc1aec31@mail.gmail.com> Ah, Thanks. I think you or someone mentioned that before. The price of being too busy. Mel On 12/13/06, Dan Young wrote: > > Mel Wade wrote: > > I'm still looking for how to set homepages, etc system wide. > > CCK > http://www.mozilla.org/projects/cck/firefox/ > > Install the extension. You'll use it to construct another extension, > which you can install system-wide defaults: > > http://www.mozilla.org/projects/cck/firefox/faqs.html > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julian_yap at yahoo.com Thu Dec 14 08:06:28 2006 From: julian_yap at yahoo.com (Julian Yap) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:06:28 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB-LDAP and allowing Teachers to view Students home directories Message-ID: <1166083588.9733.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi all, I'm helping with the upgrade of a local school's single K12LTSP server to using a LDAP server and more K12LTSP labs. Currently they have the standard Linux convention for students in that their user name is the same as their primary group. For example: uid=1001(student) gid=1001(student) groups=1001(student) The Teacher for that Student is then a member of that Student's primary group: uid=2001(teacher) gid=2001(teacher) groups=2001(teacher),1001(student) A Teacher can than access the Student's home directory as the Student's home directory's Group permissions are turned on. eg. $ ls -ld ~student drwsrws--- 56 student student 4096 Dec 13 19:35 /home/student Here's the rub. I'm having problems thinking of how this would best translate to a SMB-LDAP environment. Both security wise and simplicity wise. That is, how can I best allow Teachers the ability to access Student's home directory files. This is an example student in the new system: uid=1004(student) gid=513(Domain Users) groups=914(Students),513(Domain Users) This is an example teacher in the new system: uid=1005(teacher) gid=513(Domain Users) groups=523(Staff),513(Domain Users) These are the default permissions for a Student's home directory: $ ls -ld ~student drwx------ 3 student Domain Users 4096 Dec 13 20:53 /home/student Any help would be great. Thanks, Julian From twolfe at sawback.com Thu Dec 14 13:29:24 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 06:29:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB-LDAP and allowing Teachers to view Students homedirectories In-Reply-To: <1166083588.9733.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200612141429.kBEETR1l019555@mx1.redhat.com> Can you use extended attributes/ACLs? I did this with a FreeBSD file server we use with Active Directory, and though it took some time, the permissions issues were eliminated. Regards, Tom Wolfe -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Julian Yap Sent: December 14, 2006 01:06 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] SMB-LDAP and allowing Teachers to view Students homedirectories Hi all, I'm helping with the upgrade of a local school's single K12LTSP server to using a LDAP server and more K12LTSP labs. Currently they have the standard Linux convention for students in that their user name is the same as their primary group. For example: uid=1001(student) gid=1001(student) groups=1001(student) The Teacher for that Student is then a member of that Student's primary group: uid=2001(teacher) gid=2001(teacher) groups=2001(teacher),1001(student) A Teacher can than access the Student's home directory as the Student's home directory's Group permissions are turned on. eg. $ ls -ld ~student drwsrws--- 56 student student 4096 Dec 13 19:35 /home/student Here's the rub. I'm having problems thinking of how this would best translate to a SMB-LDAP environment. Both security wise and simplicity wise. That is, how can I best allow Teachers the ability to access Student's home directory files. This is an example student in the new system: uid=1004(student) gid=513(Domain Users) groups=914(Students),513(Domain Users) This is an example teacher in the new system: uid=1005(teacher) gid=513(Domain Users) groups=523(Staff),513(Domain Users) These are the default permissions for a Student's home directory: $ ls -ld ~student drwx------ 3 student Domain Users 4096 Dec 13 20:53 /home/student Any help would be great. Thanks, Julian _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Dec 14 15:08:47 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:08:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Replacing old AGP card In-Reply-To: <20061213182544.50502.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061213182544.50502.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Dec 13, 2006, at 12:25 PM, Rob Owens wrote: Mine is Nvidia. I think that's what he ment. > Burke, > > Is it an ATI card or an Nvidia? Huck said ATI, but I > can't find anything on an ATI 5200FX. > > By the way, MythTV is a concern to me -- I'd love to > be able to use this thin client to run mythfrontend. > > -Rob > > --- Burke Almquist > wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> I actually happen to have one, its a 5200FX. Great >> MPEG 2 >> acceleration with the binary drivers considering the >> age of the >> hardware. >> I bought it for a MythTV box. >> >> On Dec 13, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Rob Owens wrote: >> >>> Huck, I did a very quick search of this card and >> can't >>> find it. "5200" keeps coming up referencing an >> nvidia >>> card. Is that number correct? >>> >>> -Rob >>> >>> --- Huck wrote: >>> >>>> you can get ati rage 5200 for cheap >>>> >>>> Rob Owens wrote: >>>>> Some of my thin clients have old AGP cards that >>>> cannot >>>>> display 1280x1024, so I'm looking to upgrade >> them. >>>> >>>>> How good of a card should I be looking for? I'm >>>>> suspecting that my motherboard might be a >> limiting >>>>> factor if I get too high-end of a video card. >>>>> >>>>> The thin clients are old PII machines. The AGP >>>> slot >>>>> has a "divider" that is closer to the monitor >>>>> connector than to the opposite end of the card >> (I >>>> know >>>>> the position of the "divider" makes a >> difference, >>>> I'm >>>>> just not sure what exactly it means). >>>>> >>>>> In my price range are 2x, 4x, and 8x cards with >>>> 32, >>>>> 64, or 128 MB RAM. I'd like to get the best I >>>> can, >>>>> without wasting money on a card that gets >> crippled >>>> by >>>>> my motherboard. >>>>> >>>>> Any suggestions are welcome. >>>>> >>>>> -Rob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > ______________________________________________________________________ >> >>> ______________ >>>>> Any questions? Get answers on any topic at >>>> www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > ______________________________________________________________________ >> >>> ______________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkWBaQEACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSeRgCbBqPTexgX/j9QuhvcqlJgg18E 7qgAoIy9yS/r4zkThjZZSxq51rKuiXzb =hNgH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From aimssda at cscoms.com Thu Dec 14 15:43:49 2006 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (Edwardson) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:43:49 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Critical error on Update Message-ID: <45817135.2090708@cscoms.com> Hi, I get this error when updating: (process: 11***) CRITICAL ** egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion 'egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group_ (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed This appears right after this packages: redhat_menus, control-center, rhythmbox, helix player. What does this means. Edward Thailand From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Dec 14 15:45:00 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:45:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] netBoot Macintosh OS X In-Reply-To: References: <20061210170020.036E27343F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20061214153720.M87616@winonacotter.org> > I couldn't get this to work from a G4 iBook. Since this worked on your G3 and not your G4 I am assuming you have an XF86Config error. That is more tricky, so first I'll paste in the text from an old email I sent stating how to boot Macs with open firmware to an LTSP server. Now the newer machines, you should be able to just hold the "N" key and everything will be automatic. You should see the blinking globe and then start seeing linux stuff shooting by. On the old machines, use the following info to test. Now if these all work up to the point of starting X, then you need to get a custom XF86Config in lts.conf, but that is another discussion. Note: the instructions below were written before booting macs was included in ltsp, so the following assumes that your /opt/ppc/ltsp/etc/lts.conf was set to have SCREEN_01 = shell by default. If you want to follow these instructions exactly, you will have to make that change. Otherwise X will try and start right away. The main point here however is to note the instructions to manipulate open firmware. ------------------------- Start Client Setup Boot client while holding apple+option+o+f (to boot to open firmware). Type the following at the command line (Please substitute your server IP where necessary): boot enet:192.168.0.254 Hit enter. There may be a slight hesitation followed by a black screen and a blinking globe, after that you should see the Lumensoftware yaboot screen. Then the kernel and all of the fun stuff should load, when finished you should be at a command prompt. If that happened without errors type startx This should boot you to a login screen. If not, start troubleshooting your XF86Config and make a custom one. So far I have tested all flavor iBooks and iMacs and have only had trouble with the Indigo Vintage and have a custom XF86Config to handle this if needed. Now that you know your setup works modify /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf # vi /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf Comment out "SCREEN_01 = shell" and uncomment "SCREEN_01 = startx", now startup of X will be automatic. Next if you want to set your macs to permanently boot from the ltsp server without interaction do the following: Boot with apple+option+o+f again Type the follwing at the command line: setenv boot-device enet:192.168.0.254 Hit enter. setenv auto-boot? true Hit enter. reset-all Hit enter. The machine should reboot and now automatically boot to ltsp every time it is powered up. Tip: If for some reason your machine will not boot after entering boot enet:192.168.0.254 with some error that it cannot find a boot loader or whatever, try this: boot enet:192.168.0.254,yaboot For some reason this is sometimes necessary. End Client Setup -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Thu Dec 14 17:10:00 2006 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:10:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Thank you, everyone Message-ID: <8b88203f0612140910x51757c17raef6340a61b40f98@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to everyone who had suggestions about the French and Spanish accents and also for the scanner troubles. The scanner works great and I haven't heard about anymore foreign language troubles. Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Dec 14 18:09:43 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:09:43 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Screen Reset - Bug? In-Reply-To: <43080f460612131930m505ab190o8becbc79bfbc71e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460612131930m505ab190o8becbc79bfbc71e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45819367.6090106@paasda.org> typing 'init 3' at the commandline as root will set you to runlevel 3. I'm not familiar with what you are referencing on logging in at runlevel 3 to solve the problem. When you say 'console' do you mean the server but via the gui interface or the server via the command line? I will be working on my 6.0 server next week and might have some more troubleshooting tips come that time. --Huck Mel Wade wrote: > I still have problems with the console starting a new screen session > whenever someone in the lab logs off. I've tried loggin in as someone > but that doesn't seem to work. I've found reference to logging in a > runlevel 3 to correct this problem, but I'm not sure where to go with > this. I understand the concept of runlevels but not sure how to > check/change this for the login. > > I'm also wondering if this is a bug in Verion 6 as I cant think of > anything I've changed that would affect this. > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Dec 14 18:11:53 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:11:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FireFox In-Reply-To: <43080f460612131942l2d85d75bhc0caccfea015ccf@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460612121939j2aab9c4dkddabfbc05439b4c1@mail.gmail.com> <457F8E7E.8040205@mesd.k12.or.us> <4580680F.2010200@paasda.org> <43080f460612131942l2d85d75bhc0caccfea015ccf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <458193E9.2070605@paasda.org> My understanding Mel is that the easiest method is by creating a dummy user and configuring all you want 'default' with that user and then copy all of their config files to the /skel folder, which is where defaults come from when creating new users. If anyone that has actually DONE this could confirm or correct that'd be great, as I have never done this, just going by memory from previous posts on the topic. --Huck Mel Wade wrote: > Thanks for the enlightenment... I'll sit tight with the version I have. > > I'm still looking for how to set homepages, etc system wide. > > This is and area where moving from Windows is difficult... In windows I > could do a lot with policies (even for Firefox), but I don't see an > equivelent on Linux. > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Thu Dec 14 18:11:41 2006 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:11:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FireFox In-Reply-To: <458193E9.2070605@paasda.org> References: <43080f460612121939j2aab9c4dkddabfbc05439b4c1@mail.gmail.com> <457F8E7E.8040205@mesd.k12.or.us> <4580680F.2010200@paasda.org> <43080f460612131942l2d85d75bhc0caccfea015ccf@mail.gmail.com> <458193E9.2070605@paasda.org> Message-ID: <458193DD.9080703@peopleplaces.org> I've done it. Works like a charm. The other thing you can do is look into 'sabayon' which sets all kinds of defaults. Cheers, Michael Huck wrote: > My understanding Mel is that the easiest method is by creating a dummy > user and configuring all you want 'default' with that user and then > copy all of their config files to the /skel folder, which is where > defaults come from when creating new users. > > If anyone that has actually DONE this could confirm or correct that'd > be great, as I have never done this, just going by memory from > previous posts on the topic. > > --Huck > > Mel Wade wrote: >> Thanks for the enlightenment... I'll sit tight with the version I have. >> >> I'm still looking for how to set homepages, etc system wide. >> >> This is and area where moving from Windows is difficult... In >> windows I could do a lot with policies (even for Firefox), but I >> don't see an equivelent on Linux. >> -- >> Mel Wade >> "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." >> - BF Skinner >> http://www.melwade.com >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- If this is my day of harvest, in what fields have I sowed the seed, and in what unremembered seasons? - Kahlil Gibran CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message, and any attachments that may accompany it, contain information that is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or other use of this communication or any of the information, which it contains is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the original sender by return mail and delete this message, along with any attachments, from your computer. Thank you. From carl at snarlnet.com Thu Dec 14 18:16:13 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:16:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 on K12LTSP 5.0.0 Message-ID: <458194ED.8010306@snarlnet.com> Thanks for all the information. I'll give this a try. ck From petre at maltzen.net Thu Dec 14 19:00:17 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:00:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] /etc/fstab + mount question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45819F41.4010607@maltzen.net> What happens when you run 'mount -a' with the nfs mount in /etc/fstab? Petre Frank Lee wrote: > Good Morning. > > This seems so simple, yet I can't seem to get it. I've had K12LTSP up > and running no problem for some time now. The only thing that I could > never get to work was getting /etc/fstab to mount the server partition > automatically when the computer boots. This has not been a problem > until this winter when we seem to be losing power every weekend. I'd > rather have it work on boot than to reenter the mount command. > > This command run from the command line works like a charm: > > [root at server]# mount > server.domain.org:/Network/Servers/server.domain.org/Volumes/StudentShare/Students > /Network/Servers/server.domain.org/Volumes/StudentShare/Students > > However, adding this to the /etc/fstab and then on reboot to test, > doesn't work ([failed] on boot): > > server.domain.org:/Network/Servers/server.domain.org/Volumes/StudentShare/Students > /Network/Servers/server.domain.org/Volumes/StudentShare/Students > nfs auto,user,exec,rw,sync 0 0 > > I also tried changing nfs filesystem type to auto in /etc/fstab (also > [failed] on boot): > > Attempting to run the original mount command after the change in > /etc/fstab predictably returns the following error-F > > [root at server]# mount > server.domain.org:/Network/Servers/server.domain.org/Volumes/StudentShare/Students > /Network/Servers/server.domain.org/Volumes/StudentShare/Students > mount: > server.domain.org:/Network/Servers/server.domain.org/Volumes/StudentShare/Students > already mounted or > /Network/Servers/server.domain.org/Volumes/StudentShare/Students busy > mount: according to mtab, > server.domain.org:/Network/Servers/server.domain.org/Volumes/StudentShare/Students > is already mounted on > /Network/Servers/server.domain.org/Volumes/StudentShare/Students > > I'm running the latest flavor K12LTSP 4.2 and the mount point is a share > on a MacOSX server. > > Thanx! > > -F > -- > Frank P. Lee > Old Orchard Beach Schools > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us Thu Dec 14 19:07:53 2006 From: kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us (Daniel Kuecker) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:07:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB-LDAP and allowing Teachers to view Students homedirectories In-Reply-To: <200612141429.kBEETR1l019555@mx1.redhat.com> References: <1166083588.9733.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200612141429.kBEETR1l019555@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <45814C2B.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> I am having a similar problem. Iam authenticationg against active directory with the thin clients, using pam_mount to mount their homedirs. i am having permission problems with thier homedirs on windows. i just installed SFU on the active directory server, but now i cannot figure out how to make the UID match. for example, user1 permissions show on the win home dire as owner halt group domain users. user1 cannot create a new doc and save it on thier home folder >>> "Tom Wolfe" 12/14/06 7:29 AM >>> Can you use extended attributes/ACLs? I did this with a FreeBSD file server we use with Active Directory, and though it took some time, the permissions issues were eliminated. Regards, Tom Wolfe ----- Original Message----- From: k12osn- bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn- bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Julian Yap Sent: December 14, 2006 01:06 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] SMB- LDAP and allowing Teachers to view Students homedirectories Hi all, I'm helping with the upgrade of a local school's single K12LTSP server to using a LDAP server and more K12LTSP labs. Currently they have the standard Linux convention for students in that their user name is the same as their primary group. For example: uid=1001(student) gid=1001(student) groups=1001(student) The Teacher for that Student is then a member of that Student's primary group: uid=2001(teacher) gid=2001(teacher) groups=2001(teacher),1001(student) A Teacher can than access the Student's home directory as the Student's home directory's Group permissions are turned on. eg. $ ls - ld ~student drwsrws--- 56 student student 4096 Dec 13 19:35 /home/student Here's the rub. I'm having problems thinking of how this would best translate to a SMB- LDAP environment. Both security wise and simplicity wise. That is, how can I best allow Teachers the ability to access Student's home directory files. This is an example student in the new system: uid=1004(student) gid=513(Domain Users) groups=914(Students),513(Domain Users) This is an example teacher in the new system: uid=1005(teacher) gid=513(Domain Users) groups=523(Staff),513(Domain Users) These are the default permissions for a Student's home directory: $ ls - ld ~student drwx------ 3 student Domain Users 4096 Dec 13 20:53 /home/student Any help would be great. Thanks, Julian _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Thu Dec 14 19:23:42 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:23:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing Problem In-Reply-To: <43080f460612131605h11c0fc7k77fb24101a101898@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460612131605h11c0fc7k77fb24101a101898@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4581A4BE.6090108@maltzen.net> What kind of connection is there to the printer? That is, is this a USB printer? Network printer? Parallel? Something else? Petre Mel Wade wrote: > On my new K12LSTP I can no longer print. I've noticed that on start the > CUPS takes a long time in intialize - it finally does after a minute or two. > > Once I'm in the printer doesn't show up in KDE and the Printer control > won't load. It says that its trying but never comes up. > > Can anyone help me? > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Thu Dec 14 19:33:32 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:33:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Kill all your users In-Reply-To: <43080f460612131917g2cc2cf0ax7d63234cf29c6260@mail.gmail.com> References: <2859.76.179.82.249.1165888975.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <43080f460612112005wacc7e21m22fdfcf4eb1657a7@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460612131917g2cc2cf0ax7d63234cf29c6260@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4581A70C.5020404@maltzen.net> If you're going to use David's script, put the script in, say, /usr/local/bin/ and then use root's crontab to run it every night at 10pm or whenever. Otherwise, following Chuck's approach, you could put pkill -u $LOGNAME in /etc/gdm/PostSession/Default (he may be putting it in a different file; Chuck?) and it will run the command when the user logs out. I suggest testing this on a non-production server because I can invision it killing itself before completely cleaning up after the user's session and thus leaving some temp files lying around unnecessarily. Petre Mel Wade wrote: > Sorry for my ignorance on this, but I'm not really understanding where > to put a kill command for users in K12LSTP 6... > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Dec 14 19:39:07 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:39:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing Problem In-Reply-To: <4581A4BE.6090108@maltzen.net> References: <43080f460612131605h11c0fc7k77fb24101a101898@mail.gmail.com> <4581A4BE.6090108@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4581A85B.4010308@paasda.org> if you're using CUPS... try hitting http://localhost:631/ and managing the printer there... remove the printer and re-create it if all else fails... --Huck Petre Scheie wrote: > What kind of connection is there to the printer? That is, is this a USB > printer? Network printer? Parallel? Something else? > > Petre > > Mel Wade wrote: >> On my new K12LSTP I can no longer print. I've noticed that on start >> the CUPS takes a long time in intialize - it finally does after a >> minute or two. >> >> Once I'm in the printer doesn't show up in KDE and the Printer control >> won't load. It says that its trying but never comes up. >> >> Can anyone help me? >> >> -- >> Mel Wade >> "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - >> BF Skinner >> http://www.melwade.com >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Dec 14 19:48:29 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:48:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kill all your users In-Reply-To: <4581A70C.5020404@maltzen.net> References: <2859.76.179.82.249.1165888975.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> < > < > <43080f460612112005wacc7e21m22fdfcf4eb1657a7@mail.gmail.com> < > <43080f460612131917g2cc2cf0ax7d63234cf29c6260@mail.gmail.com> <4581A70C.5020404@maltzen.net> Message-ID: There's also the purge users script that's already a part of K12LTSP and it's located in /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux View the script and check out the directions in the comments at the top. You simply need to go to /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp and set PURGE_PROCESSES = YES That's it! :-) "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >If you're going to use David's script, put the script in, say, >/usr/local/bin/ and then >use root's crontab to run it every night at 10pm or whenever. Otherwise, >following >Chuck's approach, you could put > >pkill -u $LOGNAME > >in /etc/gdm/PostSession/Default (he may be putting it in a different >file; Chuck?) and >it will run the command when the user logs out. I suggest testing this >on a >non-production server because I can invision it killing itself before >completely >cleaning up after the user's session and thus leaving some temp files >lying around >unnecessarily. > >Petre > >Mel Wade wrote: >> Sorry for my ignorance on this, but I'm not really understanding where >> to put a kill command for users in K12LSTP 6... >> >> -- >> Mel Wade >> "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - >> BF Skinner >> http://www.melwade.com >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Dec 14 19:51:21 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:51:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FireFox In-Reply-To: <458193E9.2070605@paasda.org> References: <43080f460612121939j2aab9c4dkddabfbc05439b4c1@mail.gmail.com> < > <457F8E7E.8040205@mesd.k12.or.us> < > <4580680F.2010200@paasda.org> < > <43080f460612131942l2d85d75bhc0caccfea015ccf@mail.gmail.com> <458193E9.2070605@paasda.org> Message-ID: best way is to edit this file /usr/lib/firefox-1.5.0.6/defaults/profile/prefs.js "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >My understanding Mel is that the easiest method is by creating a dummy >user and configuring all you want 'default' with that user and then copy >all of their config files to the /skel folder, which is where defaults >come from when creating new users. > >If anyone that has actually DONE this could confirm or correct that'd be >great, as I have never done this, just going by memory from previous >posts on the topic. > >--Huck > >Mel Wade wrote: >> Thanks for the enlightenment... I'll sit tight with the version I have. >> >> I'm still looking for how to set homepages, etc system wide. >> >> This is and area where moving from Windows is difficult... In windows >I >> could do a lot with policies (even for Firefox), but I don't see an >> equivelent on Linux. >> -- >> Mel Wade >> "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - >> BF Skinner >> http://www.melwade.com >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From julian_yap at yahoo.com Thu Dec 14 18:55:18 2006 From: julian_yap at yahoo.com (Julian Yap) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:55:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] SMB-LDAP and allowing Teachers to view Students homedirectories In-Reply-To: <200612141429.kBEETR1l019555@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <580378.86785.qm@web35609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hmm, I've never heard of extended attributes/ACLs. Is it hard to implement? ~ Julian --- Tom Wolfe wrote: > Can you use extended attributes/ACLs? I did this with a > FreeBSD file server > we use with Active Directory, and though it took some time, > the permissions > issues were eliminated. > Regards, > Tom Wolfe > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Julian Yap > Sent: December 14, 2006 01:06 > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] SMB-LDAP and allowing Teachers to view > Students > homedirectories > > Hi all, > > I'm helping with the upgrade of a local school's single > K12LTSP server > to using a LDAP server and more K12LTSP labs. > > Currently they have the standard Linux convention for students > in that > their user name is the same as their primary group. > > For example: > uid=1001(student) gid=1001(student) groups=1001(student) > > The Teacher for that Student is then a member of that > Student's primary > group: > uid=2001(teacher) gid=2001(teacher) > groups=2001(teacher),1001(student) > > A Teacher can than access the Student's home directory as the > Student's > home directory's Group permissions are turned on. > eg. > $ ls -ld ~student > drwsrws--- 56 student student 4096 Dec 13 19:35 /home/student > > > Here's the rub. I'm having problems thinking of how this > would best > translate to a SMB-LDAP environment. Both security wise and > simplicity > wise. That is, how can I best allow Teachers the ability to > access > Student's home directory files. > > This is an example student in the new system: > uid=1004(student) gid=513(Domain Users) > groups=914(Students),513(Domain > Users) > > This is an example teacher in the new system: > uid=1005(teacher) gid=513(Domain Users) > groups=523(Staff),513(Domain > Users) > > These are the default permissions for a Student's home > directory: > $ ls -ld ~student > drwx------ 3 student Domain Users 4096 Dec 13 20:53 > /home/student > > Any help would be great. > > Thanks, > > Julian > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From mel at melwade.com Thu Dec 14 20:31:13 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:31:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing Problem In-Reply-To: <4581A85B.4010308@paasda.org> References: <43080f460612131605h11c0fc7k77fb24101a101898@mail.gmail.com> <4581A4BE.6090108@maltzen.net> <4581A85B.4010308@paasda.org> Message-ID: <43080f460612141231n2a6d3165m9a779d5c67ebe9fb@mail.gmail.com> I'll check this. Its an HP4100 on the main school network, i.e. not on the thin client side of the server. I've had it hang a number of times today. I've also noticed that the driver supplied is a PS driver. Is there an advantage over PCL in linux? I usually use the PCL drivers. Mel On 12/14/06, Huck wrote: > > if you're using CUPS... > try hitting http://localhost:631/ and managing the printer there... > > remove the printer and re-create it if all else fails... > > --Huck > > Petre Scheie wrote: > > What kind of connection is there to the printer? That is, is this a USB > > printer? Network printer? Parallel? Something else? > > > > Petre > > > > Mel Wade wrote: > >> On my new K12LSTP I can no longer print. I've noticed that on start > >> the CUPS takes a long time in intialize - it finally does after a > >> minute or two. > >> > >> Once I'm in the printer doesn't show up in KDE and the Printer control > >> won't load. It says that its trying but never comes up. > >> > >> Can anyone help me? > >> > >> -- > >> Mel Wade > >> "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > >> BF Skinner > >> http://www.melwade.com > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Dec 14 22:11:50 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:11:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Off Topic: Local unix user account limit? Message-ID: <20061214220908.M14533@winonacotter.org> Does anyone know if there is a limit to how many user accounts unix/linux can handle? I have a school district that wants to know if we can build them a server that can handle 24,000 local users. I don't know if linux can handle that. I am also thinking this may need to be a server farm. They want ftp folders for all students. Is there a limit with LDAP that anyone knows about? Odd request, but if any of you know, I would appreciate the input. I'll google my a$$ off in the meantime as well. Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Dec 14 22:28:36 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:28:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Off Topic: Local unix user account limit? In-Reply-To: <20061214220908.M14533@winonacotter.org> References: <20061214220908.M14533@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <2516.76.179.82.249.1166135316.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> certainly ldap wont even blink aat 30000 accounts > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Dec 14 22:17:18 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:17:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Off Topic: Local unix user account limit? In-Reply-To: <20061214220908.M14533@winonacotter.org> References: <20061214220908.M14533@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4581CD6E.5070206@paasda.org> Jim, FWIW I've never ever heard of a limit to the number of users... Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a limit to how many user accounts unix/linux can > handle? I have a school district that wants to know if we can build them a > server that can handle 24,000 local users. I don't know if linux can handle > that. I am also thinking this may need to be a server farm. They want ftp > folders for all students. Is there a limit with LDAP that anyone knows about? > > Odd request, but if any of you know, I would appreciate the input. > > I'll google my a$$ off in the meantime as well. > > Thanks, > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > From milanofabio at gmail.com Thu Dec 14 23:08:26 2006 From: milanofabio at gmail.com (Fabio Milano) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:08:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Pessulus Error Message-ID: <35c1344c0612141508p4d8e6eecna24548c85a06a881@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I am running k12LTSP FC6 and I am getting the following error when I run "Pessulus" as root or a regular user. (pessulus:13643): GConf-WARNING **: haven't implemented getting a specific locale in GConfClient Pessulus version: Gnome pessulus 2.16.1 thnks From mel at melwade.com Thu Dec 14 23:35:38 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:35:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Screen Reset - Bug? In-Reply-To: <45819367.6090106@paasda.org> References: <43080f460612131930m505ab190o8becbc79bfbc71e6@mail.gmail.com> <45819367.6090106@paasda.org> Message-ID: <43080f460612141535n67f53d4ex1c98a4178742e19b@mail.gmail.com> I'm on the server via gui interface. This is the message I get in the logs: Dec 14 15:33:23 libraryltsp gdm[27589]: Display :0 is busy. There is another X server running already. When I google this I get some references to the runlevel. Mel On 12/14/06, Huck wrote: > > typing 'init 3' at the commandline as root will set you to runlevel 3. > > I'm not familiar with what you are referencing on logging in at runlevel > 3 to solve the problem. > > When you say 'console' do you mean the server but via the gui interface > or the server via the command line? > > I will be working on my 6.0 server next week and might have some more > troubleshooting tips come that time. > > --Huck > > Mel Wade wrote: > > I still have problems with the console starting a new screen session > > whenever someone in the lab logs off. I've tried loggin in as someone > > but that doesn't seem to work. I've found reference to logging in a > > runlevel 3 to correct this problem, but I'm not sure where to go with > > this. I understand the concept of runlevels but not sure how to > > check/change this for the login. > > > > I'm also wondering if this is a bug in Verion 6 as I cant think of > > anything I've changed that would affect this. > > -- > > Mel Wade > > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > > BF Skinner > > http://www.melwade.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Dec 14 23:39:57 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:39:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Screen Reset - Bug? In-Reply-To: <43080f460612141535n67f53d4ex1c98a4178742e19b@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460612131930m505ab190o8becbc79bfbc71e6@mail.gmail.com> <45819367.6090106@paasda.org> <43080f460612141535n67f53d4ex1c98a4178742e19b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4581E0CD.6000506@paasda.org> ahh that... I've had that since K12LTSP 2.0 :) dunno the fix sorry. Mel Wade wrote: > I'm on the server via gui interface. > > This is the message I get in the logs: > Dec 14 15:33:23 libraryltsp gdm[27589]: Display :0 is busy. There is > another X server running already. > > When I google this I get some references to the runlevel. > > Mel > > > > On 12/14/06, *Huck* > > wrote: > > typing 'init 3' at the commandline as root will set you to runlevel 3. > > I'm not familiar with what you are referencing on logging in at runlevel > 3 to solve the problem. > > When you say 'console' do you mean the server but via the gui interface > or the server via the command line? > > I will be working on my 6.0 server next week and might have some more > troubleshooting tips come that time. > > --Huck > > Mel Wade wrote: > > I still have problems with the console starting a new screen session > > whenever someone in the lab logs off. I've tried loggin in as > someone > > but that doesn't seem to work. I've found reference to logging in a > > runlevel 3 to correct this problem, but I'm not sure where to go > with > > this. I understand the concept of runlevels but not sure how to > > check/change this for the login. > > > > I'm also wondering if this is a bug in Verion 6 as I cant think of > > anything I've changed that would affect this. > > -- > > Mel Wade > > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men > do." - > > BF Skinner > > http://www.melwade.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Dec 15 02:03:09 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 07:33:09 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Kill all your users In-Reply-To: References: <2859.76.179.82.249.1165888975.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <43080f460612112005wacc7e21m22fdfcf4eb1657a7@mail.gmail.com> <43080f460612131917g2cc2cf0ax7d63234cf29c6260@mail.gmail.com> <4581A70C.5020404@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <774593a20612141803u4e95294k93079dd9d5a2df7b@mail.gmail.com> On 15/12/06, David Trask wrote: > There's also the purge users script that's already a part of K12LTSP and > it's located in /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux View the script and check > out the directions in the comments at the top. You simply need to go to > /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp and set PURGE_PROCESSES = YES That's it! :-) > And it is very effective in keeping any processes lying around. Again I did modifications in the script so that it will kill processes only in UID is more than 1000 so that admin users are not kicked off. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Dec 15 02:07:08 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 07:37:08 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] FireFox In-Reply-To: <458193E9.2070605@paasda.org> References: <43080f460612121939j2aab9c4dkddabfbc05439b4c1@mail.gmail.com> <457F8E7E.8040205@mesd.k12.or.us> <4580680F.2010200@paasda.org> <43080f460612131942l2d85d75bhc0caccfea015ccf@mail.gmail.com> <458193E9.2070605@paasda.org> Message-ID: <774593a20612141807w701b43f0gbb402a54ff21c99b@mail.gmail.com> On 14/12/06, Huck wrote: > My understanding Mel is that the easiest method is by creating a dummy > user and configuring all you want 'default' with that user and then copy > all of their config files to the /skel folder, which is where defaults > come from when creating new users. including DOT files like .xyz > If anyone that has actually DONE this could confirm or correct that'd be > great, as I have never done this, just going by memory from previous > posts on the topic. Works for all users created after that point of time. Plus you will have to set files like pref.js some where in the /etc/skel/.mozilla tree to read only and owned by root so that people are not able to edit that or overwrite this by simply choosing another page as their home page. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From thepiano at telenet.be Fri Dec 15 07:28:37 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Hanne Verheyen) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:28:37 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Floppy doesnt work anymore Message-ID: <55FF01F8-A737-4283-8BAB-B62BA4AA8E76@telenet.be> Hello to you all, coming in school this morning all of sudden none of my clients are able to use the floppy drive anymore. So i rebooted the server... but no succes.... anyone a clue for this? running k12ltsp 5 Hanne From thepiano at telenet.be Fri Dec 15 07:43:35 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Hanne Verheyen) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:43:35 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Floppy doesnt work anymore In-Reply-To: <55FF01F8-A737-4283-8BAB-B62BA4AA8E76@telenet.be> References: <55FF01F8-A737-4283-8BAB-B62BA4AA8E76@telenet.be> Message-ID: <069BE315-AADB-4C33-9CDB-9C49CE73C0EE@telenet.be> Solved seems to be have been a permissions problem... solved for now. Regards Hanne Op 15-dec-06, om 08:28 heeft Hanne Verheyen het volgende geschreven: > Hello to you all, > > coming in school this morning all of sudden none of my clients are > able to use the floppy drive anymore. > > So i rebooted the server... but no succes.... > > anyone a clue for this? running k12ltsp 5 > > Hanne > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From meelis at nlib.ee Fri Dec 15 10:56:10 2006 From: meelis at nlib.ee (Meelis Mihhailov) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:56:10 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories Message-ID: <018501c72037$a124ebb0$c60e10ac@melka> Hi ! I have a weird problem and can't solve it by myself :) I'm using K12 project for about 6 months now and started with version 4. My server has been set up to provide workstations for readers in library. So the main idea is to use ltsp user accounts as kiosk accounts. My solution for this in version 4 is the following : 1. Create a user 2. Window manager : KDE 3. Set permissions and limitations by kiosktool 4. in the PostSession script I have a code that will remove the users' directory from the system and replaces it with a previously created profile in the tar file. So every time a user ends his/her session, home directory will be removed and replaced with the one in the tar file. (with the needed permissions ) This works fine but now as I'm setting up so called backup server with LTSP 5, FC 5, Gnome 2.8 and Sabayon ... my solution won't work :( in the old system I have the following code that will erase the home directory of a user who logged off : cd / cp /usr/BACKUP/terminal1.tar /home/terminal1.tar cd /home rm -R terminal1 tar -xvf terminal1 rm -f terminal1.tar in the new system I have the same code for the same user for the same directory but for my suprise ... it won't erase it ! It keeps files like .name and directories like .name Made a debug script to throw me a log to show what the PostSession RM command is doing. Found out that it event won't look at the directories like "Desktop" or "Drives" in the user home directory as like they are not there. Also if a user creates a directory or saves a file on the desktop or in the home direcory those won't be erased as well. I have googled my brains out but with no luck . In the manuals and webpages I have read ... rm -R removes the directoryes and sub-directories. If I but a "-f " parameter, there shall be no problems removing the "read only" files. The PostSession script will run with root privileges so there can't be a problem with the file permissions. Hei ... it works in my current server (LTSP 4, FC4) that is in use as we speak. Can someone please help me to solve this weird problem beacause we need to replace the running server before the end of this year and my ideas have ran out :( Also there is a little idea for LTSP developers :) Maybe in the future releaces there can be some kind of module for this kind of terminals ? Built-in kiosk module I mean :) Meelis --- meelis at nlib.ee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But luckily it doesn't do any harm either. 2) I think "tar -xvf terminal1" should be "tar -xvf terminal1.tar"? You could clean this up a little further, because it's not really necessary to copy the tar file, extract it and then remove it. -------------------------------------------------- rm -rf /home/terminal1/* cd /home tar -xf /usr/BACKUP/terminal1.tar -------------------------------------------------- Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For example saved a webpage/documents in his/her home directory. The ones on the desktop are erased ... this is a good thing :) but /home/custom_dir_name problem still remains ... Meelis --- meelis at nlib.ee From nils at breun.nl Fri Dec 15 12:40:15 2006 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:40:15 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories In-Reply-To: <01dd01c72043$3b589ff0$c60e10ac@melka> References: <018501c72037$a124ebb0$c60e10ac@melka> <694F1444-9A80-4376-90DC-A5022D93723A@breun.nl> <01dd01c72043$3b589ff0$c60e10ac@melka> Message-ID: <3EDE573F-3244-4EAD-8BF7-D4CBD82A7E10@breun.nl> Meelis Mihhailov wrote: >> You could clean this up a little further, because it's not really >> necessary to copy the tar file, extract it and then remove it. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> rm -rf /home/terminal1 >> cd /home >> tar -xf /usr/BACKUP/terminal1.tar >> -------------------------------------------------- > > Hi and thanks for the reply. This helped a bit and made the code > nicer :) Thanks ! > It removes all the old stuff except the ones user has made. For > example saved a webpage/documents in his/her home directory. The > ones on the desktop are erased ... this is a good thing :) but / > home/custom_dir_name problem still remains ... I don't really understand your problem I guess. What is /home/ custom_dir_name? Nils Breunese -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: Dit deel van het bericht is digitaal ondertekend URL: From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Fri Dec 15 12:42:55 2006 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:42:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Off Topic: Local unix user account limit? In-Reply-To: <20061214220908.M14533@winonacotter.org> References: <20061214220908.M14533@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200612150842.55428.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> In practical terms there is no limit to the number of users that can be handled by Linux; think about it, Google's GMail runs on Linux. How many users is that? Having said that, this does not mean that there is a "plain-vanilla" deployment that will handle 10s of thousands of interactive users. There are still CPU/RAM/Bandwidth and other I/O limitations that would have to be planned for and dealt with. I would think that this would be a multi-server deployment if even a significant fraction of your 24,000 users were going to be on line simultaneously. If this is just a mail server, then it isn't as critical and you should be able to use a single big server. You have not said what those 24,000 accounts are used for; it does make a huge difference. One thing I do know is that if I were planning such a deployment, I would look at a high-performance LDAP solution. Things may have changed, but OpenLDAP is not the fastest LDAP implementation out there. I chose Sun's LDAP server (this was 5 or 6 years ago) based on speed (transactions per second) over OpenLDAP. The RedHat Directory Server may be an open source alternative with suitable performance and flexibility. If you don't have lots of experience with directory services, find some one who does to assist in the design and deployment. At all events, I think that Linux is more suitable to large scale deployments than Windows is. On Thursday 14 December 2006 18:11, you wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a limit to how many user accounts unix/linux > can handle? I have a school district that wants to know if we can build > them a server that can handle 24,000 local users. I don't know if linux > can handle that. I am also thinking this may need to be a server farm. > They want ftp folders for all students. Is there a limit with LDAP that > anyone knows about? > > Odd request, but if any of you know, I would appreciate the input. > > I'll google my a$$ off in the meantime as well. > > Thanks, > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From meelis at nlib.ee Fri Dec 15 12:47:48 2006 From: meelis at nlib.ee (Meelis Mihhailov) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:47:48 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories References: <018501c72037$a124ebb0$c60e10ac@melka><694F1444-9A80-4376-90DC-A5022D93723A@breun.nl><01dd01c72043$3b589ff0$c60e10ac@melka> <3EDE573F-3244-4EAD-8BF7-D4CBD82A7E10@breun.nl> Message-ID: <020501c72047$39be2d00$c60e10ac@melka> > I don't really understand your problem I guess. What is /home/ > custom_dir_name? > > Nils Breunese oh sorry. I mean if a user creates a directory under /home/terminal1 (for example "plah") then it is not removed by the PostSession script when she/he ends the session. Meelis --- meelis at nlib.ee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nils Breunese" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From nils at breun.nl Fri Dec 15 14:18:04 2006 From: nils at breun.nl (Nils Breunese) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:18:04 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Off Topic: Local unix user account limit? In-Reply-To: <200612150842.55428.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> References: <20061214220908.M14533@winonacotter.org> <200612150842.55428.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: John Lucas wrote: > One thing I do know is that if I were planning such a deployment, I > would look > at a high-performance LDAP solution. Things may have changed, but > OpenLDAP is > not the fastest LDAP implementation out there. I chose Sun's LDAP > server > (this was 5 or 6 years ago) based on speed (transactions per > second) over > OpenLDAP. The RedHat Directory Server may be an open source > alternative with > suitable performance and flexibility. There's also the Fedora flavor: http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/ I hear they're integrating Fedora Directory Server into Fedora Core 7, so maybe it can be part of K12LTSP 7? :o) Nils Breunese. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meelis --- meelis at nlib.ee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nils Breunese" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Fri Dec 15 15:34:54 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:34:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories In-Reply-To: <01dd01c72043$3b589ff0$c60e10ac@melka> References: <018501c72037$a124ebb0$c60e10ac@melka> <694F1444-9A80-4376-90DC-A5022D93723A@breun.nl> <01dd01c72043$3b589ff0$c60e10ac@melka> Message-ID: <4582C09E.8030509@maltzen.net> Having occasionally run into problems with scripts that cd to a directory and then do something, but which create havoc when the cd part fails and so the next step fires off in the wrong directory, I like to specify the full path where the work should be done, all in the same command. So, rather than cd and then tar, I'd suggest this: rm -rf /home/terminal1 tar -xv /usr/BACKUP/terminal1.tar -C /home This way, if /home were missing (which would have all sorts of other implications, but the principle is still valid), the tar won't happen and make a mess all over the root directory or elsewhere. As for root not being able to remove the directory that the user creates, something is amiss. What happens if root manually tries to remove the /home/terminal1 directory from the command line? What are the permissions on the files and directories that the user creates? Petre Meelis Mihhailov wrote: >> You could clean this up a little further, because it's not really >> necessary to copy the tar file, extract it and then remove it. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> rm -rf /home/terminal1 >> cd /home >> tar -xf /usr/BACKUP/terminal1.tar >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> Nils Breunese. > > Hi and thanks for the reply. This helped a bit and made the code nicer > :) Thanks ! > It removes all the old stuff except the ones user has made. For example > saved a webpage/documents in his/her home directory. The ones on the > desktop are erased ... this is a good thing :) but /home/custom_dir_name > problem still remains ... > > > > > Meelis > --- > meelis at nlib.ee > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Dec 15 15:41:56 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:41:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Off Topic: Local unix user account limit? In-Reply-To: References: <20061214220908.M14533@winonacotter.org> <200612150842.55428.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4582C244.7030905@maltzen.net> The Netscape Directory Server and OpenLDAP both had their origins in the LDAP/DS developed at the University of Michigan. Sun bought Netscape's DS when AOL bought out Netscape, and sold it as the Sun One DS. Subsequently, Sun sold it to Red Hat, which released it as Fedora Directory Server. So, FDS is the descendant of Sun's DS. Petre Nils Breunese wrote: > John Lucas wrote: > >> One thing I do know is that if I were planning such a deployment, I >> would look >> at a high-performance LDAP solution. Things may have changed, but >> OpenLDAP is >> not the fastest LDAP implementation out there. I chose Sun's LDAP server >> (this was 5 or 6 years ago) based on speed (transactions per second) over >> OpenLDAP. The RedHat Directory Server may be an open source >> alternative with >> suitable performance and flexibility. > > There's also the Fedora flavor: http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/ > > I hear they're integrating Fedora Directory Server into Fedora Core 7, > so maybe it can be part of K12LTSP 7? :o) > > Nils Breunese. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From meelis at nlib.ee Fri Dec 15 16:00:24 2006 From: meelis at nlib.ee (Meelis) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:00:24 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories References: <018501c72037$a124ebb0$c60e10ac@melka> <694F1444-9A80-4376-90DC-A5022D93723A@breun.nl><01dd01c72043$3b589ff0$c60e10ac@melka> <4582C09E.8030509@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <0d7f01c72062$21ef6750$0301a8c0@lammas> Hi Petre ! This is the weird part of them all : If I manually remove the directory everything is erased and no problems occure. Also if I make a seperate command for every dir and file in the script that is not removed in the PostSession script they are erased. For example : rm -f /home/terminal1/.* <--- all files like .gnome etc. are removed rm -f /home/terminal1/* <-- all regular files removed rm -rf /home/terminal1/* <-- all directories that DO NOT contain files are removed (note the -R parameter! weird ...) So if a user creates a directory, then now I can remove it with the PostSession script however if it contains files it's not removed. No problem like that in old system. permissions for terminal1 directory *********************************************** drwx------ 19 terminal1 users 4096 13. dets 11:33 terminal1 *********************************************** it's the systems default permission set when I created a user. I'll have to try the tar command with parameter -C tomorrow as I'm at home now and have no access to my except terminal. So I can't test the PostSession script :) Meelis --- meelis at nlib.ee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petre Scheie" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories > Having occasionally run into problems with scripts that cd to a directory > and then do something, but which create havoc when the cd part fails and > so the next step fires off in the wrong directory, I like to specify the > full path where the work should be done, all in the same command. So, > rather than cd and then tar, I'd suggest this: > > rm -rf /home/terminal1 > tar -xv /usr/BACKUP/terminal1.tar -C /home > > This way, if /home were missing (which would have all sorts of other > implications, but the principle is still valid), the tar won't happen and > make a mess all over the root directory or elsewhere. > > As for root not being able to remove the directory that the user creates, > something is amiss. What happens if root manually tries to remove the > /home/terminal1 directory from the command line? What are the permissions > on the files and directories that the user creates? > > Petre From petre at maltzen.net Fri Dec 15 16:02:42 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:02:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories In-Reply-To: <0d7f01c72062$21ef6750$0301a8c0@lammas> References: <018501c72037$a124ebb0$c60e10ac@melka> <694F1444-9A80-4376-90DC-A5022D93723A@breun.nl><01dd01c72043$3b589ff0$c60e10ac@melka> <4582C09E.8030509@maltzen.net> <0d7f01c72062$21ef6750$0301a8c0@lammas> Message-ID: <4582C722.2010503@maltzen.net> While you shouldn't need to do this, you might try chown'ing all the files and directories recursively in /home/terminal1, making root the owner, and then try deleting them. Petre Meelis wrote: > Hi Petre ! > > This is the weird part of them all : > If I manually remove the directory everything is erased and no problems > occure. > Also if I make a seperate command for every dir and file in the script > that is not removed in the PostSession script they are erased. > > For example : > > rm -f /home/terminal1/.* <--- all files like .gnome etc. are removed > rm -f /home/terminal1/* <-- all regular files removed > rm -rf /home/terminal1/* <-- all directories that DO NOT contain files > are removed (note the -R parameter! weird ...) > > So if a user creates a directory, then now I can remove it with the > PostSession script however if it contains files it's not removed. No > problem like that in old system. > > permissions for terminal1 directory > *********************************************** > drwx------ 19 terminal1 users 4096 13. dets 11:33 terminal1 > *********************************************** > it's the systems default permission set when I created a user. > > I'll have to try the tar command with parameter -C tomorrow as I'm at > home now and have no access to my except terminal. So I can't test the > PostSession script :) > > Meelis > --- > meelis at nlib.ee > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petre Scheie" > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 5:34 PM > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories > > >> Having occasionally run into problems with scripts that cd to a >> directory and then do something, but which create havoc when the cd >> part fails and so the next step fires off in the wrong directory, I >> like to specify the full path where the work should be done, all in >> the same command. So, rather than cd and then tar, I'd suggest this: >> >> rm -rf /home/terminal1 >> tar -xv /usr/BACKUP/terminal1.tar -C /home >> >> This way, if /home were missing (which would have all sorts of other >> implications, but the principle is still valid), the tar won't happen >> and make a mess all over the root directory or elsewhere. >> >> As for root not being able to remove the directory that the user >> creates, something is amiss. What happens if root manually tries to >> remove the /home/terminal1 directory from the command line? What are >> the permissions on the files and directories that the user creates? >> >> Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From meelis at nlib.ee Fri Dec 15 16:08:19 2006 From: meelis at nlib.ee (Meelis) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:08:19 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories References: <018501c72037$a124ebb0$c60e10ac@melka> <694F1444-9A80-4376-90DC-A5022D93723A@breun.nl><01dd01c72043$3b589ff0$c60e10ac@melka> <4582C09E.8030509@maltzen.net><0d7f01c72062$21ef6750$0301a8c0@lammas> <4582C722.2010503@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <0da701c72063$3d13afe0$0301a8c0@lammas> Hmm ... I did try chmod them to 777 (as I'm stupid ...) and nothing happened. Might as well try to chmod them. Backup tar writes the old permissions back so there won't be problems logging in ... in theory. Again ... I'll try both ideas (You and Petre) tomorrow at work :) and let you all know about the changes. Thanks :) Meelis --- meelis at nlib.ee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petre Scheie" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories > While you shouldn't need to do this, you might try chown'ing all the files > and directories recursively in /home/terminal1, making root the owner, and > then try deleting them. > > Petre > > Meelis wrote: >> Hi Petre ! >> >> This is the weird part of them all : >> If I manually remove the directory everything is erased and no problems >> occure. >> Also if I make a seperate command for every dir and file in the script >> that is not removed in the PostSession script they are erased. >> >> For example : >> >> rm -f /home/terminal1/.* <--- all files like .gnome etc. are removed >> rm -f /home/terminal1/* <-- all regular files removed >> rm -rf /home/terminal1/* <-- all directories that DO NOT contain files >> are removed (note the -R parameter! weird ...) >> >> So if a user creates a directory, then now I can remove it with the >> PostSession script however if it contains files it's not removed. No >> problem like that in old system. >> >> permissions for terminal1 directory >> *********************************************** >> drwx------ 19 terminal1 users 4096 13. dets 11:33 terminal1 >> *********************************************** >> it's the systems default permission set when I created a user. >> >> I'll have to try the tar command with parameter -C tomorrow as I'm at >> home now and have no access to my except terminal. So I can't test the >> PostSession script :) >> >> Meelis >> --- >> meelis at nlib.ee >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petre Scheie" >> To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >> >> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 5:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories >> >> >>> Having occasionally run into problems with scripts that cd to a >>> directory and then do something, but which create havoc when the cd part >>> fails and so the next step fires off in the wrong directory, I like to >>> specify the full path where the work should be done, all in the same >>> command. So, rather than cd and then tar, I'd suggest this: >>> >>> rm -rf /home/terminal1 >>> tar -xv /usr/BACKUP/terminal1.tar -C /home >>> >>> This way, if /home were missing (which would have all sorts of other >>> implications, but the principle is still valid), the tar won't happen >>> and make a mess all over the root directory or elsewhere. >>> >>> As for root not being able to remove the directory that the user >>> creates, something is amiss. What happens if root manually tries to >>> remove the /home/terminal1 directory from the command line? What are >>> the permissions on the files and directories that the user creates? >>> >>> Petre >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From meelis at nlib.ee Fri Dec 15 16:09:48 2006 From: meelis at nlib.ee (Meelis) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:09:48 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories References: <018501c72037$a124ebb0$c60e10ac@melka> <694F1444-9A80-4376-90DC-A5022D93723A@breun.nl><01dd01c72043$3b589ff0$c60e10ac@melka> <4582C09E.8030509@maltzen.net><0d7f01c72062$21ef6750$0301a8c0@lammas><4582C722.2010503@maltzen.net> <0da701c72063$3d13afe0$0301a8c0@lammas> Message-ID: <0db201c72063$723697a0$0301a8c0@lammas> sry ! chown ... not chmod ... :) meelis --- meelis at nlib.ee > I did try chmod them to 777 (as I'm stupid ...) and nothing happened. > Might as well try to chmod them. Backup tar writes the old permissions > back so there won't be problems logging in ... in theory. From meelis at nlib.ee Fri Dec 15 16:36:59 2006 From: meelis at nlib.ee (Meelis) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:36:59 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories References: <018501c72037$a124ebb0$c60e10ac@melka> <694F1444-9A80-4376-90DC-A5022D93723A@breun.nl><01dd01c72043$3b589ff0$c60e10ac@melka> <4582C09E.8030509@maltzen.net><0d7f01c72062$21ef6750$0301a8c0@lammas> <4582C722.2010503@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <0dcf01c72067$3e3faff0$0301a8c0@lammas> I forgot to write the permissions of the directory and files that the user created : drwxr-xr-x 2 terminal1 users 4096 15.dets 15:20 "nimeta kataloog" and in this directory a file : drwx------ 23 terminal1 users 4096 15.dets 15:20 "uus fail" Meelis --- meelis at nlib.ee From mel at melwade.com Fri Dec 15 19:40:36 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:40:36 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Access from outside Message-ID: <43080f460612151140o59b04cbpbe8486a1ad5809e6@mail.gmail.com> We have one K12 LSTP server and have plans to add two more over the next year. Overall we are very pleased with the results. I need to find a way to access the server from windows machines to be able to monitor activity at any time of the day. I need to be able to be on my WinXP laptop at home and VPN into the school's network, connect to a LTSP server via GUI interface and manage the server and monitor activity. What is the best way to do this? (The VPN is not the part that I have questions about - just art of the example.) -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mel at melwade.com Fri Dec 15 19:47:59 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:47:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki? Message-ID: <43080f460612151147x32770bccr11f68c6bfbc6014@mail.gmail.com> Yesterday I tried to get start a post to the K12LTSP wiki, but could find a way to successfully register or login. -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Dec 15 19:50:30 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:50:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Access from outside In-Reply-To: <43080f460612151140o59b04cbpbe8486a1ad5809e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460612151140o59b04cbpbe8486a1ad5809e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4582FC86.9020408@paasda.org> FreeNX Mel...freenx... yum install freenx then get the NX client...http://www.nomachine.com/download-client-windows.php and you should be good to go.. --Huck Mel Wade wrote: > We have one K12 LSTP server and have plans to add two more over the next > year. Overall we are very pleased with the results. > > I need to find a way to access the server from windows machines to be > able to monitor activity at any time of the day. I need to be able to > be on my WinXP laptop at home and VPN into the school's network, connect > to a LTSP server via GUI interface and manage the server and monitor > activity. > > What is the best way to do this? (The VPN is not the part that I have > questions about - just art of the example.) > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From thewhitmers at gmail.com Fri Dec 15 19:49:29 2006 From: thewhitmers at gmail.com (David Whitmer) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:49:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Access from outside In-Reply-To: <43080f460612151140o59b04cbpbe8486a1ad5809e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460612151140o59b04cbpbe8486a1ad5809e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12/15/06, Mel Wade wrote: > We have one K12 LSTP server and have plans to add two more over the next > year. Overall we are very pleased with the results. > > I need to find a way to access the server from windows machines to be able > to monitor activity at any time of the day. I need to be able to be on my > WinXP laptop at home and VPN into the school's network, connect to a LTSP > server via GUI interface and manage the server and monitor activity. > > What is the best way to do this? (The VPN is not the part that I have > questions about - just art of the example.) > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Mel, I'd suggest you install freenx server on your K12LTSP computer, and then use NoMachine's free (of cost) NX Client for Windows on your laptop I've been using that for the past two years manage our school's K12LTSP servers from my home. It works really well, and there's no need for a VPN connection as NX Client can encrypt its connection through an SSH tunnel. If your K12LTSP is based on either FC5 or FC6, freenx can be installed using yum. Then copy the client key from the server to your Windows computer. David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org email: thewhitmers at gmail.com From petre at maltzen.net Fri Dec 15 19:54:42 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:54:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki? In-Reply-To: <43080f460612151147x32770bccr11f68c6bfbc6014@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460612151147x32770bccr11f68c6bfbc6014@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4582FD82.1050404@maltzen.net> I noticed last week that the wiki wasn't working correctly. Eric said he was going to look into it: > The database is corrupt. I'll go bang on it. > > BTW, I have Moin & another wiki installed but not yet configured. > Hopefully I'll get something else up and running in the near future. > > -Eric" So, perhaps he is in the process of overhauling it. Petre Mel Wade wrote: > Yesterday I tried to get start a post to the K12LTSP wiki, but could > find a way to successfully register or login. > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - > BF Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Fri Dec 15 19:58:09 2006 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:58:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Access from outside In-Reply-To: <43080f460612151140o59b04cbpbe8486a1ad5809e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460612151140o59b04cbpbe8486a1ad5809e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612151558.09235.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Try NX. On the server: yum install freenx For the client, download and install the NX client from nomachine.com and import the "client.id_dsa.key" from /etc/nxserver on the server. NX implements remote X sessions with heavy-duty compression and caching to make it really perform, even in low-bandwidth (ie. WAN) situations (it is supposed to work on dialup connections). It also uses SSH for transport, so you get the benefits of encryption. It has provisions for redirecting sound and other services too. On Friday 15 December 2006 15:40, Mel Wade wrote: > We have one K12 LSTP server and have plans to add two more over the next > year. Overall we are very pleased with the results. > > I need to find a way to access the server from windows machines to be able > to monitor activity at any time of the day. I need to be able to be on my > WinXP laptop at home and VPN into the school's network, connect to a LTSP > server via GUI interface and manage the server and monitor activity. > > What is the best way to do this? (The VPN is not the part that I have > questions about - just art of the example.) -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From remps.jr at gmail.com Fri Dec 15 20:37:39 2006 From: remps.jr at gmail.com (Jeremy Rempel) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:37:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NX Server port 9200 Message-ID: <3fdebb6a0612151237i1be9059fj1099095d24fdf09e@mail.gmail.com> I can connect fine to the NX Server from my workstation on the same LAN, but when I put the server on another network, it won't work unless I forward port 9200 on my firewall to my workstation. I can ssh into the server fine and all other services work properly, including vnc. I am telling the client to "Enable SSL encryption of all traffic", but it still tries to connect to my workstation on port 9200 when I bring up an nx session. I have verified that it isn't only my workstation and that the client download wasn't damaged. I turned off as many services as I can on the k12ltsp server, but can't find which service or config file is interfering. Does anyone know what is causing me this grief? Jeremy Rempel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I turned off as many services as I can on the k12ltsp > server, but can't find which service or config file is interfering. Does > anyone know what is causing me this grief? > > Jeremy Rempel > Perhaps the page at the following link will help: http://www.nomachine.com/ar/view.php?ar_id=AR12B00108 In our setup, I've had no trouble connecting to our school's K12LTSP servers that are running freenx from over the Internet, with the client set to "Enable SSL encryption of all traffic". David Whitmer Director of Media & Technology Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org email: thewhitmers at gmail.com From remps.jr at gmail.com Fri Dec 15 21:37:20 2006 From: remps.jr at gmail.com (Jeremy Rempel) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:37:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NX Server port 9200 In-Reply-To: References: <3fdebb6a0612151237i1be9059fj1099095d24fdf09e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3fdebb6a0612151337y55ee9c1ch8cb999c1eb74f05f@mail.gmail.com> I have been to that page but, port 9200 is out of the range that the server should be connecting to the client, even if "Enable SSL encryption of all traffic" was not selected. Maybe the server is trying to treat the remote workstation like a thin client? I noticed some bootp traffic generated from the server when I attempt to login. How would I be able to disable the thin client "server" to test to see if that is interfering? Jeremy Rempel Perhaps the page at the following link will help: > http://www.nomachine.com/ar/view.php?ar_id=AR12B00108 > > In our setup, I've had no trouble connecting to our school's K12LTSP > servers that are running freenx from over the Internet, with the > client set to "Enable SSL encryption of all traffic". > > David Whitmer > Director of Media & Technology > Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) > web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org > email: thewhitmers at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Dec 15 22:24:12 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:24:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki? In-Reply-To: <4582FD82.1050404@maltzen.net> References: <43080f460612151147x32770bccr11f68c6bfbc6014@mail.gmail.com> <4582FD82.1050404@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4583208C.9000801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Hang tight. Dan has done a successful test migration from phpwiki to mediawiki. He's working on moving it over to k12ltsp.org.... -Eric Petre Scheie wrote: > I noticed last week that the wiki wasn't working correctly. Eric said > he was going to look into it: > >> The database is corrupt. I'll go bang on it. >> >> BTW, I have Moin & another wiki installed but not yet configured. >> Hopefully I'll get something else up and running in the near future. >> >> -Eric" > > So, perhaps he is in the process of overhauling it. > > Petre > > > Mel Wade wrote: >> Yesterday I tried to get start a post to the K12LTSP wiki, but could >> find a way to successfully register or login. >> >> -- >> Mel Wade >> "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - >> BF Skinner >> http://www.melwade.com >> >> From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Dec 15 22:44:39 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:44:39 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki? In-Reply-To: <4583208C.9000801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43080f460612151147x32770bccr11f68c6bfbc6014@mail.gmail.com> <4582FD82.1050404@maltzen.net> <4583208C.9000801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <45832557.9010709@paasda.org> not sure who runs which website.. but the http://k12linux.org/contents.html page is a bit outta date ;) "K12LTSP 4.4.1 is the current version of K12LTSP..." those back to back 5.0 --> 6.0 releases were kinda killer to keep up with I guess ;) Eric Harrison wrote: > Hang tight. Dan has done a successful test migration from phpwiki to > mediawiki. > > He's working on moving it over to k12ltsp.org.... > > -Eric From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Dec 15 23:06:39 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:06:39 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki? In-Reply-To: <4583208C.9000801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43080f460612151147x32770bccr11f68c6bfbc6014@mail.gmail.com> <4582FD82.1050404@maltzen.net> <4583208C.9000801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <45832A7F.5010608@mesd.k12.or.us> OK, here's a first cut at the k12ltsp.org wiki in MediaWiki. MediaWiki is, of course, the wiki used by Wikipedia. http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/ User accounts will need to be created. The old ones were not transferred. Anonymous editing is not allowed; wiki-spam has been a problem on phpwiki. Your feedback/praise/threats/screams are desired, although requests for a different wiki engine will probably not be feasible without a detailed plan for migration from phpwiki. Thanks! -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 Eric Harrison wrote: > Hang tight. Dan has done a successful test migration from phpwiki to > mediawiki. > > He's working on moving it over to k12ltsp.org.... > > -Eric > > Petre Scheie wrote: >> I noticed last week that the wiki wasn't working correctly. Eric said >> he was going to look into it: >> >>> The database is corrupt. I'll go bang on it. >>> >>> BTW, I have Moin & another wiki installed but not yet configured. >>> Hopefully I'll get something else up and running in the near future. >>> >>> -Eric" >> So, perhaps he is in the process of overhauling it. >> >> Petre >> >> >> Mel Wade wrote: >>> Yesterday I tried to get start a post to the K12LTSP wiki, but could >>> find a way to successfully register or login. >>> >>> -- >>> Mel Wade >>> "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - >>> BF Skinner >>> http://www.melwade.com >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From steven at simplycircus.com Fri Dec 15 23:11:23 2006 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:11:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki? In-Reply-To: <45832557.9010709@paasda.org> Message-ID: Perhaps it would make sence to move the entire site to the wiki ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: PO BOX 620753 Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 781-799-4938 eFax: 309-214-0899 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Huck > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 5:45 PM > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Wiki? > > > not sure who runs which website.. > but the http://k12linux.org/contents.html page is a bit outta date ;) > > "K12LTSP 4.4.1 is the current version of K12LTSP..." > > those back to back 5.0 --> 6.0 releases were kinda killer to keep up > with I guess ;) > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > Hang tight. Dan has done a successful test migration from phpwiki to > > mediawiki. > > > > He's working on moving it over to k12ltsp.org.... > > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From remps.jr at gmail.com Sat Dec 16 00:24:07 2006 From: remps.jr at gmail.com (Jeremy Rempel) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:24:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NX Server port 9200 In-Reply-To: <3fdebb6a0612151337y55ee9c1ch8cb999c1eb74f05f@mail.gmail.com> References: <3fdebb6a0612151237i1be9059fj1099095d24fdf09e@mail.gmail.com> <3fdebb6a0612151337y55ee9c1ch8cb999c1eb74f05f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3fdebb6a0612151624q5b633b85ya442f3caacbbd99d@mail.gmail.com> I found a drastic fix, but at least I am making progress with this box: rpm -e ltsp_ppc ltsp_i386 ltsp_x_vesa ltsp_floppyd ltsp_kernel_kitchen-sink k12ltsp-core ltsp_esound_i386 ltsp_esound_server I won't be able to run thin clients off this box now that I have removed these packages. What else won't work? Jeremy Rempel On 12/15/06, Jeremy Rempel wrote: > > I have been to that page but, port 9200 is out of the range that the > server should be connecting to the client, even if "Enable SSL encryption of > all traffic" was not selected. Maybe the server is trying to treat the > remote workstation like a thin client? I noticed some bootp traffic > generated from the server when I attempt to login. How would I be able to > disable the thin client "server" to test to see if that is interfering? > > Jeremy Rempel > > > > Perhaps the page at the following link will help: > > http://www.nomachine.com/ar/view.php?ar_id=AR12B00108 > > > > In our setup, I've had no trouble connecting to our school's K12LTSP > > servers that are running freenx from over the Internet, with the > > client set to "Enable SSL encryption of all traffic". > > > > David Whitmer > > Director of Media & Technology > > Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) > > web: www.calvaryschoolsholland.org > > email: thewhitmers at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julian_yap at yahoo.com Sat Dec 16 01:47:53 2006 From: julian_yap at yahoo.com (Julian Yap) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:47:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] SMB-LDAP and allowing Teachers to view Students homedirectories In-Reply-To: <200612141429.kBEETR1l019555@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <875002.16870.qm@web35611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just as an update, I tested out using ACL's and it works great! Exactly what I was looking for. Here's a link to some nice documentation: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-5-manual/File_Systems/ch-acls.html --- Tom Wolfe wrote: > Can you use extended attributes/ACLs? I did this with a > FreeBSD file server > we use with Active Directory, and though it took some time, > the permissions > issues were eliminated. > Regards, > Tom Wolfe > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Julian Yap > Sent: December 14, 2006 01:06 > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] SMB-LDAP and allowing Teachers to view > Students > homedirectories > > Hi all, > > I'm helping with the upgrade of a local school's single > K12LTSP server > to using a LDAP server and more K12LTSP labs. > > Currently they have the standard Linux convention for students > in that > their user name is the same as their primary group. > > For example: > uid=1001(student) gid=1001(student) groups=1001(student) > > The Teacher for that Student is then a member of that > Student's primary > group: > uid=2001(teacher) gid=2001(teacher) > groups=2001(teacher),1001(student) > > A Teacher can than access the Student's home directory as the > Student's > home directory's Group permissions are turned on. > eg. > $ ls -ld ~student > drwsrws--- 56 student student 4096 Dec 13 19:35 /home/student > > > Here's the rub. I'm having problems thinking of how this > would best > translate to a SMB-LDAP environment. Both security wise and > simplicity > wise. That is, how can I best allow Teachers the ability to > access > Student's home directory files. > > This is an example student in the new system: > uid=1004(student) gid=513(Domain Users) > groups=914(Students),513(Domain > Users) > > This is an example teacher in the new system: > uid=1005(teacher) gid=513(Domain Users) > groups=523(Staff),513(Domain > Users) > > These are the default permissions for a Student's home > directory: > $ ls -ld ~student > drwx------ 3 student Domain Users 4096 Dec 13 20:53 > /home/student > > Any help would be great. > > Thanks, > > Julian > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Sat Dec 16 06:14:24 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 00:14:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki? In-Reply-To: <45832A7F.5010608@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43080f460612151147x32770bccr11f68c6bfbc6014@mail.gmail.com> <4582FD82.1050404@maltzen.net> <4583208C.9000801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45832A7F.5010608@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <45838EC0.2030802@maltzen.net> Some pages seem to be missing, apparently denoted by the link being in red rather than blue. For example the page on autologin with gdm links to just a blank wiki page--I really hope I don't have to write that one over, the details are already fuzzy in my mind. I second Steve's suggestion that the whole website be moved to a wiki. Petre Dan Young wrote: > OK, here's a first cut at the k12ltsp.org wiki in MediaWiki. MediaWiki > is, of course, the wiki used by Wikipedia. > > http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/ > > User accounts will need to be created. The old ones were not > transferred. Anonymous editing is not allowed; wiki-spam has been a > problem on phpwiki. > > Your feedback/praise/threats/screams are desired, although requests for > a different wiki engine will probably not be feasible without a detailed > plan for migration from phpwiki. Thanks! > From nadavkav at gmail.com Sat Dec 16 07:03:55 2006 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:03:55 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Control In-Reply-To: <43080f460612111058s57ba6de4hb0abdbecaa76991b@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460612070849u5bd2b9e7x138b24ff64b101@mail.gmail.com> <457D9DFE.6070904@mesd.k12.or.us> <43080f460612111058s57ba6de4hb0abdbecaa76991b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4219988b0612152303k229d2386ve2086fb6a48feac7@mail.gmail.com> btw. if you use KDE and kiosktool, you can get into any profile you've made and change it further, manually by editing the files in: /etc/kde-profile/THE-PROFILE/share/config/... many things are not visible through the GUI ! tip: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/kdecore/README.kiosk?view=markup another tip: i've removed the option to change Desktop Envirument from the Circles login theme i use by editing the file :/usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/circles . so users can't change to gnome on login. (after one of the students showed me how the use gnome and not kde :-) On 12/11/06, Mel Wade wrote: > > Thanks for the tip. I've come to really appreciate the Kiosk control in > KDE. That ended up being the only desktop we allow and I have the whole > thing configured and locked down easily. > > Mel > > On 12/11/06, Dan Young wrote: > > > > Mel Wade wrote: > > > How do you control thing like wallpaper setting, etc. so that users in > > > the lab can't put in appropriate graphics there? > > > > One option: > > > > > > yum install gconf-editor > > gconf-editor > > /desktop/gnome/background > > right-click on picture_filename > > select "Set as Mandatory" > > > > -- > > Dan Young > > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > > 503-257-1562 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > Mel Wade > "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF > Skinner > http://www.melwade.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From sbarar at gmail.com Sat Dec 16 09:14:17 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 14:44:17 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] [SOLVED?] Odd wireless mouse behaviour In-Reply-To: <774593a20612121853h69f52644lb88aba9dfc8a9d1f@mail.gmail.com> References: <774593a20612121853h69f52644lb88aba9dfc8a9d1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <774593a20612160114y52a66f9fs1ba736e682a7c4d6@mail.gmail.com> On 13/12/06, Sudev Barar wrote: > I recently got Microsoft (I know not the best names here but they do > sell decent hardware also) wireless keyboard mouse. This is a model > with only one USB plug on the transmitter rather than traditional two > plugs (one for keyboard and one for mouse). I just plug it in and > booted the terminal and thing works BUT only about once in four > attempts! If I plug in > another USB mouse at this point of time (without rebooting) that mouse > works without problems while this mouse continues up/down only > behaviour. > Okay this is what I have done so far and it seems to work... I noticed on study of /var/log/messages that wehenever hiddev driver got loaded before usbmouse driver the mouse behaves normally. If the usbmouse driver gets loaded first then mouse gets stuck. For the curious I am giving two sequences of thin client boot below for details the first one is when mouse fails and the second one when it works. To force HIDDEV to load before USBMOUSE I edited the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.usb and modified the 11th line from: for module in keybdev mousedev input usbmouse usbkbd chnged to: for module in usbhid hiddev keybdev mousedev input usbmouse usbkbd This way usbhid drivers gets loaded and then hiddev driver gets loaded and then usbmouse and then usbkbd. Without loading USBHID the HIDDEV does not work. And all these are part of USBCORE. Can others confirm that this also works for them and Jim/Scott note this? -- Regards, Sudev Barar From meelis at nlib.ee Sat Dec 16 10:36:44 2006 From: meelis at nlib.ee (Meelis Mihhailov) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:36:44 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories References: <018501c72037$a124ebb0$c60e10ac@melka> <694F1444-9A80-4376-90DC-A5022D93723A@breun.nl><01dd01c72043$3b589ff0$c60e10ac@melka> <4582C09E.8030509@maltzen.net><0d7f01c72062$21ef6750$0301a8c0@lammas><4582C722.2010503@maltzen.net> <0dcf01c72067$3e3faff0$0301a8c0@lammas> Message-ID: <001201c720fe$1543dee0$c60e10ac@melka> Ok ... tryed the chmod thingy and added Petre's code but nothing happened. Directories/files that the user created while working with the terminal are not removed (this is the main reason why I'm creating this solution). I'm out of ideas :( The same thing occurs with other accounts as well that I've made for readers to use in terminals. It removes the files that are made in the Desktop directory but nothind is deleted from the users home folder. I'm talking about the files/directories made by the user. Following is the permissions and files/directories list from account "terminal9" not logged out : ********************************************************************* drwx------ 23 terminal9 users 4096 16. dets 12:18 . drwxr-x--- 22 arvuti1 users 4096 15. dets 14:07 .. drwxr-xr-x 3 terminal9 users 4096 13. dets 11:40 .adobe -rw-r--r-- 1 terminal9 users 24 23. okt 18:14 .bash_logout -rw-r--r-- 1 terminal9 users 191 23. okt 18:14 .bash_profile -rw-r--r-- 1 terminal9 users 124 23. okt 18:14 .bashrc drwx------ 3 terminal9 users 4096 16. dets 12:17 .config drwxr-xr-x 2 terminal9 users 4096 16. dets 12:18 Desktop -rw------- 1 terminal9 users 26 13. dets 11:40 .dmrc drwxr-xr-x 3 terminal9 users 4096 16. dets 12:18 Drives -rw-r--r-- 1 terminal9 users 23348 16. dets 12:17 Eesti Rahvusraamatukogu <<< made by user >>> drwxr-xr-x 2 terminal9 users 4096 16. dets 12:17 Eesti Rahvusraamatukogu_files <<<< made by user >>> drwxr-x--- 2 terminal9 users 4096 13. dets 11:40 .eggcups -rw------- 1 terminal9 users 16 13. dets 11:41 .esd_auth drwx------ 4 terminal9 users 4096 16. dets 12:18 .gconf drwx------ 2 terminal9 users 4096 16. dets 12:18 .gconfd -rw-r--r-- 1 terminal9 users 49 16. dets 12:18 .gconf.path.defaults -rw-r--r-- 1 terminal9 users 50 16. dets 12:18 .gconf.path.mandatory drwxr-xr-x 4 terminal9 users 4096 13. dets 11:40 .gconf.xml.defaults drwxr-xr-x 3 terminal9 users 4096 13. dets 11:40 .gconf.xml.mandatory drwxr-xr-x 3 terminal9 users 4096 13. dets 11:40 .gnome drwxr-xr-x 7 terminal9 users 4096 13. dets 11:41 .gnome2 drwx------ 2 terminal9 users 4096 13. dets 11:40 .gnome2_private -rw-r--r-- 1 terminal9 users 138 13. dets 11:40 .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 -rw------- 1 terminal9 users 177 16. dets 12:18 .ICEauthority drwxr-xr-x 3 terminal9 users 4096 8. nov 11:48 .kde prw-r--r-- 1 terminal9 users 0 13. dets 11:40 .lbus_fifo -rw-r--r-- 1 terminal9 users 0 16. dets 12:18 .lbussd.out drwx------ 3 terminal9 users 4096 13. dets 11:40 .metacity drwxr-xr-x 3 terminal9 users 4096 13. dets 11:40 .mozilla drwxr-xr-x 3 terminal9 users 4096 13. dets 11:40 .nautilus drwxr-xr-x 2 terminal9 users 4096 16. dets 12:18 nimeta kataloog <<< made by user >>> drwxr-xr-x 2 terminal9 users 4096 16. dets 12:18 nimeta kataloog 1 <<< made by user >>> drwxr-xr-x 3 terminal9 users 4096 13. dets 11:41 .openoffice.org2.0 drwxr-xr-x 2 terminal9 users 4096 13. dets 11:40 .rh-fontconfig -rw-r--r-- 1 terminal9 users 658 12. veebr 2006 .zshrc -rw------- 1 terminal9 users 49 16. dets 12:18 .Xauthority *********************************************************************** and now if I log off and DO NOT let the system to untar the backup directory ... this is what will not be erased by RM command : *********************************************************************** drwx------ 22 terminal9 users 4096 16. dets 12:26 . drwxr-x--- 22 arvuti1 users 4096 15. dets 14:07 .. drwxr-xr-x 3 terminal9 users 4096 13. dets 11:40 .adobe -rw-r--r-- 1 terminal9 users 24 23. okt 18:14 .bash_logout -rw-r--r-- 1 terminal9 users 191 23. okt 18:14 .bash_profile -rw-r--r-- 1 terminal9 users 124 23. okt 18:14 .bashrc drwx------ 3 terminal9 users 4096 16. dets 12:17 .config -rw------- 1 terminal9 users 26 13. dets 11:40 .dmrc drwxr-xr-x 2 terminal9 users 4096 16. dets 12:26 Drives -rw-r--r-- 1 terminal9 users 23348 16. dets 12:17 Eesti Rahvusraamatukogu <<< user made >>> drwxr-xr-x 2 terminal9 users 4096 16. dets 12:17 Eesti Rahvusraamatukogu_files <<< user made >>> drwxr-x--- 2 terminal9 users 4096 13. dets 11:40 .eggcups -rw------- 1 terminal9 users 16 13. dets 11:41 .esd_auth drwx------ 4 terminal9 users 4096 16. dets 12:26 .gconf drwx------ 2 terminal9 users 4096 16. dets 12:27 .gconfd -rw-r--r-- 1 terminal9 users 49 16. dets 12:18 .gconf.path.defaults -rw-r--r-- 1 terminal9 users 50 16. dets 12:18 .gconf.path.mandatory drwxr-xr-x 4 terminal9 users 4096 13. dets 11:40 .gconf.xml.defaults drwxr-xr-x 3 terminal9 users 4096 13. dets 11:40 .gconf.xml.mandatory drwxr-xr-x 3 terminal9 users 4096 13. dets 11:40 .gnome drwxr-xr-x 7 terminal9 users 4096 16. dets 12:26 .gnome2 drwx------ 2 terminal9 users 4096 13. dets 11:40 .gnome2_private -rw-r--r-- 1 terminal9 users 138 13. dets 11:40 .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 -rw------- 1 terminal9 users 0 16. dets 12:26 .ICEauthority drwxr-xr-x 3 terminal9 users 4096 8. nov 11:48 .kde prw-r--r-- 1 terminal9 users 0 13. dets 11:40 .lbus_fifo -rw-r--r-- 1 terminal9 users 393 16. dets 12:26 .lbussd.out drwx------ 3 terminal9 users 4096 13. dets 11:40 .metacity drwxr-xr-x 3 terminal9 users 4096 13. dets 11:40 .mozilla drwxr-xr-x 3 terminal9 users 4096 13. dets 11:40 .nautilus drwxr-xr-x 2 terminal9 users 4096 16. dets 12:18 nimeta kataloog <<< user made >>> drwxr-xr-x 2 terminal9 users 4096 16. dets 12:18 nimeta kataloog 1 <<< user made >>> drwxr-xr-x 3 terminal9 users 4096 13. dets 11:41 .openoffice.org2.0 drwxr-xr-x 2 terminal9 users 4096 13. dets 11:40 .rh-fontconfig -rw-r--r-- 1 terminal9 users 658 12. veebr 2006 .zshrc ************************************************************************ The RM command used to erase is : rm -rf /home/terminal9/* Could you give me some more ideas what to try ? I would really appreciate it :) Meelis --- meelis at nlib.ee From sbarar at gmail.com Sat Dec 16 10:48:09 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:18:09 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories In-Reply-To: <001201c720fe$1543dee0$c60e10ac@melka> References: <018501c72037$a124ebb0$c60e10ac@melka> <694F1444-9A80-4376-90DC-A5022D93723A@breun.nl> <01dd01c72043$3b589ff0$c60e10ac@melka> <4582C09E.8030509@maltzen.net> <0d7f01c72062$21ef6750$0301a8c0@lammas> <4582C722.2010503@maltzen.net> <0dcf01c72067$3e3faff0$0301a8c0@lammas> <001201c720fe$1543dee0$c60e10ac@melka> Message-ID: <774593a20612160248g4d64ede8ufde1224ebcf2b69d@mail.gmail.com> On 16/12/06, Meelis Mihhailov wrote: > The RM command used to erase is : > rm -rf /home/terminal9/* > Will this work for you? rm -rf /home/terminal9 mkdir /home/terminal9 chown user:user /home/terminal9 -- Regards, Sudev Barar From meelis at nlib.ee Sat Dec 16 10:57:10 2006 From: meelis at nlib.ee (Meelis Mihhailov) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:57:10 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories References: <018501c72037$a124ebb0$c60e10ac@melka><694F1444-9A80-4376-90DC-A5022D93723A@breun.nl><01dd01c72043$3b589ff0$c60e10ac@melka> <4582C09E.8030509@maltzen.net><0d7f01c72062$21ef6750$0301a8c0@lammas> <4582C722.2010503@maltzen.net><0dcf01c72067$3e3faff0$0301a8c0@lammas><001201c720fe$1543dee0$c60e10ac@melka> <774593a20612160248g4d64ede8ufde1224ebcf2b69d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003801c72100$ef70c450$c60e10ac@melka> Hi Sudev and thanks for the reply. This did not work. If I use the command rm -rf /home/terminal9 then files in Desktop are not erased as well as files in the /home/terminal9 created by the user. If I use rm -rf /home/terminal9/* then Desktop files are removed but files in /home/terminal9 made by user are still not removed :( Meelis --- meelis at nlib.ee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sudev Barar" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories > On 16/12/06, Meelis Mihhailov wrote: >> The RM command used to erase is : >> rm -rf /home/terminal9/* >> > > Will this work for you? > > rm -rf /home/terminal9 > mkdir /home/terminal9 > chown user:user /home/terminal9 > > -- > Regards, > Sudev Barar > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sbarar at gmail.com Sat Dec 16 11:22:56 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:52:56 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories In-Reply-To: <003801c72100$ef70c450$c60e10ac@melka> References: <018501c72037$a124ebb0$c60e10ac@melka> <694F1444-9A80-4376-90DC-A5022D93723A@breun.nl> <01dd01c72043$3b589ff0$c60e10ac@melka> <4582C09E.8030509@maltzen.net> <0d7f01c72062$21ef6750$0301a8c0@lammas> <4582C722.2010503@maltzen.net> <0dcf01c72067$3e3faff0$0301a8c0@lammas> <001201c720fe$1543dee0$c60e10ac@melka> <774593a20612160248g4d64ede8ufde1224ebcf2b69d@mail.gmail.com> <003801c72100$ef70c450$c60e10ac@melka> Message-ID: <774593a20612160322s5ed8af6bw474e867bf839ce78@mail.gmail.com> On 16/12/06, Meelis Mihhailov wrote: > This did not work. If I use the command rm -rf /home/terminal9 then files in > Desktop are not erased as well as files in the /home/terminal9 created by > the user. > > If I use rm -rf /home/terminal9/* then Desktop files are removed but files > in /home/terminal9 made by user are still not removed :( Did you run them as root? Or through some root owned script? Running in scripts owned by by others / gdm may not allow this. Alternatively do rm -rf /home/terminal9/.* and rm -rf /home/terminal9/* together work? Sorry I jumped in to the thread a bit late and I may be asking you to cover the ground all over again. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From meelis at nlib.ee Sat Dec 16 11:32:51 2006 From: meelis at nlib.ee (Meelis Mihhailov) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 13:32:51 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories References: <018501c72037$a124ebb0$c60e10ac@melka><694F1444-9A80-4376-90DC-A5022D93723A@breun.nl><01dd01c72043$3b589ff0$c60e10ac@melka> <4582C09E.8030509@maltzen.net><0d7f01c72062$21ef6750$0301a8c0@lammas> <4582C722.2010503@maltzen.net><0dcf01c72067$3e3faff0$0301a8c0@lammas><001201c720fe$1543dee0$c60e10ac@melka><774593a20612160248g4d64ede8ufde1224ebcf2b69d@mail.gmail.com><003801c72100$ef70c450$c60e10ac@melka> <774593a20612160322s5ed8af6bw474e867bf839ce78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005501c72105$eb95e1d0$c60e10ac@melka> Hi and thanks for the reply. :) I have tryed rm -rf /home/terminal9/.* and rm -rf /home/terminal9/* but no luck. It does remove my .gnome etc. files and other stuff but files/folders made by the user logged in are still not removed. The gdm PostSession script is using root privileges and when system runs it, users that end the session are blocked (as said in the manuals and webpages I've looked). So there should be no problem erasing the directories. My currently working server (FC4 and KDE + kiosktool) is using this method and there are no problems with PostScript and rm command while logging out from the account. Everything is erased and replaced with the default settings in /usr/BACKUP tar files. Now in backup server I can't get it to work ... :( regardless of the fack that it has been set up almost the same as current server (using GNOME desktop, FC5 and LTSP5 + sabayon for limitations) Meelis --- meelis at nlib.ee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sudev Barar" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories > On 16/12/06, Meelis Mihhailov wrote: >> This did not work. If I use the command rm -rf /home/terminal9 then files >> in >> Desktop are not erased as well as files in the /home/terminal9 created by >> the user. >> >> If I use rm -rf /home/terminal9/* then Desktop files are removed but >> files >> in /home/terminal9 made by user are still not removed :( > > Did you run them as root? Or through some root owned script? Running > in scripts owned by by others / gdm may not allow this. > > Alternatively do rm -rf /home/terminal9/.* and rm -rf > /home/terminal9/* together work? > > Sorry I jumped in to the thread a bit late and I may be asking you to > cover the ground all over again. > > -- > Regards, > Sudev Barar > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From meelis at nlib.ee Sat Dec 16 12:45:58 2006 From: meelis at nlib.ee (Meelis Mihhailov) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 14:45:58 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories References: <018501c72037$a124ebb0$c60e10ac@melka><694F1444-9A80-4376-90DC-A5022D93723A@breun.nl><01dd01c72043$3b589ff0$c60e10ac@melka><4582C09E.8030509@maltzen.net><0d7f01c72062$21ef6750$0301a8c0@lammas><4582C722.2010503@maltzen.net><0dcf01c72067$3e3faff0$0301a8c0@lammas><001201c720fe$1543dee0$c60e10ac@melka><774593a20612160248g4d64ede8ufde1224ebcf2b69d@mail.gmail.com><003801c72100$ef70c450$c60e10ac@melka><774593a20612160322s5ed8af6bw474e867bf839ce78@mail.gmail.com> <005501c72105$eb95e1d0$c60e10ac@melka> Message-ID: <005e01c72110$22cde260$c60e10ac@melka> FOR GOD SAKE ! I cryed ... hit my head at the wall and cryed again. Why ? 1. Started thinking WHY it leaves files and folders to their places ? 2. Why doesn't it work by the battern ? Sometimes erases one things and sometimes does not ? 3. Why it needs more rm commands than the old system !? So with my stupid head an "no-ideas" thinking I wrote in some sleep commands. *********************** rm -rf /home/terminal9/* sleep 2 rm - rf /home/terminal9/.* sleep 2 rm -rf /home/terminal9 sleep 4 tar command *********************** what happened ? All the directories were erased !! For god sake. Now I had a working script but logout took place for 8 + 1 seconds. Not nice. What about if I change first two sleep intervals to 1 second and leave the last one as is ? So logout should last about 6 seconds. It was faster and like usual ... no success. Folders and files made by the user were NOT erased :'( cryed some more So I was thinking that I need a break and went to make some coffe. When I returned, changed the intrervals back to values that worked, logged in, made some foldest and files, logged out again ... logged in and ... NOT ERASED !!! :'( So the intervals were the same as these that worked last time but now they do not work. This is weird and unusual problem. What's going one ? My server has been changed to super-server that works so fast that scripts are unable to follow it !? This just makes me cry ... :( Does anyone have more ideas what to change/try/eliminate ? Meelis --- meelis at nlib.ee From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Dec 16 13:01:24 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 07:01:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories In-Reply-To: <005e01c72110$22cde260$c60e10ac@melka> References: <018501c72037$a124ebb0$c60e10ac@melka><694F1444-9A80-4376-90DC-A5022D93723A@breun.nl><01dd01c72043$3b589ff0$c60e10ac@melka><4582C09E.8030509@maltzen.net><0d7f01c72062$21ef6750$0301a8c0@lammas><4582C722.2010503@maltzen.net><0dcf01c72067$3e3faff0$0301a8c0@lammas><001201c720fe$1543dee0$c60e10ac@melka><774593a20612160248g4d64ede8ufde1224ebcf2b69d@mail.gmail.com><003801c72100$ef70c450$c60e10ac@melka><774593a20612160322s5ed8af6bw474e867bf839ce78@mail.gmail.com> <005501c72105$eb95e1d0$c60e10ac@melka> <005e01c72110$22cde260$c60e10ac@melka> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Are the files that it won't erase being held open by something? Try using lsof? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkWD7iQACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQ36wCfUoZVQc+Srp9FOyjCslz0R2ln yY4An0P3LMrhj4DBJVTOShtrbfnx8hqL =nYBm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From meelis at nlib.ee Sat Dec 16 13:21:29 2006 From: meelis at nlib.ee (Meelis Mihhailov) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:21:29 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories References: <018501c72037$a124ebb0$c60e10ac@melka><694F1444-9A80-4376-90DC-A5022D93723A@breun.nl><01dd01c72043$3b589ff0$c60e10ac@melka><4582C09E.8030509@maltzen.net><0d7f01c72062$21ef6750$0301a8c0@lammas><4582C722.2010503@maltzen.net><0dcf01c72067$3e3faff0$0301a8c0@lammas><001201c720fe$1543dee0$c60e10ac@melka><774593a20612160248g4d64ede8ufde1224ebcf2b69d@mail.gmail.com><003801c72100$ef70c450$c60e10ac@melka><774593a20612160322s5ed8af6bw474e867bf839ce78@mail.gmail.com><005501c72105$eb95e1d0$c60e10ac@melka><005e01c72110$22cde260$c60e10ac@melka> Message-ID: <006701c72115$18eec700$c60e10ac@melka> Hi Burke ! while logged in with the user, did a lsof | grep /home/terminal9 and it showed no files or folders with the names that were created. *************************************************************************************** gnome-ses 28067 terminal9 cwd DIR 9,1 4096 10848282 /home/terminal9 gnome-ses 28067 terminal9 mem REG 9,1 65597 10913675 /home/terminal9/.rh-fontconfig/.fonts.cache-2 gnome-ses 28067 terminal9 17r REG 9,1 65597 10913675 /home/terminal9/.rh-fontconfig/.fonts.cache-2 lbussd 28100 terminal9 cwd DIR 9,1 4096 10848282 /home/terminal9 lbussd 28100 terminal9 1w REG 9,1 0 10848294 /home/terminal9/.lbussd.out lbussd 28100 terminal9 4r FIFO 9,1 10848296 /home/terminal9/.lbus_fifo gnome-key 28168 terminal9 cwd DIR 9,1 4096 10848282 /home/terminal9 metacity 28180 terminal9 cwd DIR 9,1 4096 10848282 /home/terminal9 metacity 28180 terminal9 mem REG 9,1 65597 10913675 /home/terminal9/.rh-fontconfig/.fonts.cache-2 metacity 28180 terminal9 14r REG 9,1 65597 10913675 /home/terminal9/.rh-fontconfig/.fonts.cache-2 gnome-pan 28186 terminal9 cwd DIR 9,1 4096 10848282 /home/terminal9 gnome-pan 28186 terminal9 mem REG 9,1 65597 10913675 /home/terminal9/.rh-fontconfig/.fonts.cache-2 gnome-pan 28186 terminal9 16r REG 9,1 65597 10913675 /home/terminal9/.rh-fontconfig/.fonts.cache-2 nautilus 28188 terminal9 cwd DIR 9,1 4096 10848282 /home/terminal9 nautilus 28188 terminal9 mem REG 9,1 65597 10913675 /home/terminal9/.rh-fontconfig/.fonts.cache-2 nautilus 28188 terminal9 23r REG 9,1 65597 10913675 /home/terminal9/.rh-fontconfig/.fonts.cache-2 eggcups 28199 terminal9 cwd DIR 9,1 4096 10848282 /home/terminal9 nm-applet 28211 terminal9 cwd DIR 9,1 4096 10848282 /home/terminal9 pam-panel 28213 terminal9 cwd DIR 9,1 4096 10848282 /home/terminal9 clock-app 28220 terminal9 mem REG 9,1 65597 10913675 /home/terminal9/.rh-fontconfig/.fonts.cache-2 clock-app 28220 terminal9 38r REG 9,1 65597 10913675 /home/terminal9/.rh-fontconfig/.fonts.cache-2 wnck-appl 28222 terminal9 mem REG 9,1 65597 10913675 /home/terminal9/.rh-fontconfig/.fonts.cache-2 wnck-appl 28222 terminal9 39r REG 9,1 65597 10913675 /home/terminal9/.rh-fontconfig/.fonts.cache-2 *************************************************************************************** now when logged of ... at the end of PostSession script sequence : *************************************************************************************** gconfd-2 28327 terminal9 15w REG 9,1 85244 10913564 /home/terminal9/.gconfd/saved_state (deleted) *************************************************************************************** and while waiting a bit more ... list is empty. This is what it shows when I'm writing this letter and looking state over SSH. However ... when I'm at the server and repeating the lsof | grep /home/terminal9 while it's in the logout sequence I get some more information but all of them get the (deleted) message and are font files/folders and config files. Nothing about folders / files created by the user Meelis --- meelis at nlib.ee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burke Almquist" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Are the files that it won't erase being held open by something? Try using > lsof? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkWD7iQACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQ36wCfUoZVQc+Srp9FOyjCslz0R2ln > yY4An0P3LMrhj4DBJVTOShtrbfnx8hqL > =nYBm > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sat Dec 16 15:53:56 2006 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:53:56 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool monitor- control blank screen Message-ID: <52106.127.0.0.1.1166284436.squirrel@server1> Hello All, Fresh install of K12LTSP v5. I've used fl_teachertool since first version. I tried enabling the Monitor/Control part of fl_teachertool[0.34] per the /usr/share/docs/fl_teachertool/install.txt. I changed the path for the "sudoers" from the documented /usr/local/bin/Fl_TeacherTool to usr/sbin/fl_teachertool to coincide with the rpm install of fl_teachertool. Problem: When i try and either Monitor or Control a client machine (as root) from server or another workstation i get a blank/black screeen on TightVNC. I'm not sure how to troubleshoot this,as far as doing a "ps aux>something",,or whatever. I dont see any weird errors in system messages either. Do i need to restart the server for the changes i added in the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf X4_MODULE_02 = vnc ( I have not restarted server since this update.) also i did remeber to : /usr/bin/vncpasswd cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ ROBARK to the rescue please,,,:) Thanks, Barry Cisna From bruce.g.anderson at gmail.com Sat Dec 16 19:41:07 2006 From: bruce.g.anderson at gmail.com (Bruce Anderson) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:41:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Installation Westmont High School In-Reply-To: <774593a20612131657o7523a37eicfcbe5dc31bd7515@mail.gmail.com> References: <6583c9ed0612091222w6c56dba0qed8539b186b36e58@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20612091935g5748ab95y25e16f33f03098cf@mail.gmail.com> <6583c9ed0612121507m4be89467tc351d3fbf76bf54@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20612121756ja0bfa5aobde731ccf35845da@mail.gmail.com> <6583c9ed0612130936x1ec60d74g55ecde1ca0965427@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20612131657o7523a37eicfcbe5dc31bd7515@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6583c9ed0612161141i7b36a5ffv21f85c82427f96f7@mail.gmail.com> It is sort of working. Thanks. I am writing this from my new LTSP client. I am not really sure what is important, but On 12/13/06, Sudev Barar wrote: > > On 13/12/06, Bruce Anderson wrote: > > > > Dec 12 14:36:15 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.253 to > > > > 00:40:f4:e8:e9:24 via eth0 > > > The above shows that there is something wrong with your dhcpd.conf > > > file. You say first that your server eth0 is 192.168.0.254 but the log > > > messages above show that dhcpd is offering 192.168.0.253 and then > > > client keeps seraching for this "253" IP. > > I thought that DHCPOFFER meant that the server was offering 253 to be > the > > ip for the client. In my dhcpd.conf, > > I changed the range ending from 253 to 199 and now the messages file > shows > > > > Dec 13 09:16:39 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:40:f4:e8:e9:24 via > eth0 > > Dec 13 09:16:40 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.199 to > > 00:40:f4:e8:e9:24 via eth0 > > > Cursing myself for putting foot in the mouth....You are right and I was > wrong. > > So if the request for IP comes and an IP is offerred by server...what > happens at client end? Does it go forth with dots flashing by or?? I > always went back to > http://ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1-en.html#AEN788 and did > step by step check. HTH. > > -- > Regards, > Sudev Barar > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Bruce Anderson Westmont High School, Room 44 4805 Westmont Avenue Campbell, CA 95008 (408)378-1500 x6244 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bruce.g.anderson at gmail.com Sat Dec 16 19:54:28 2006 From: bruce.g.anderson at gmail.com (Bruce Anderson) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:54:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Installation Westmont High School In-Reply-To: <6583c9ed0612161141i7b36a5ffv21f85c82427f96f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <6583c9ed0612091222w6c56dba0qed8539b186b36e58@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20612091935g5748ab95y25e16f33f03098cf@mail.gmail.com> <6583c9ed0612121507m4be89467tc351d3fbf76bf54@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20612121756ja0bfa5aobde731ccf35845da@mail.gmail.com> <6583c9ed0612130936x1ec60d74g55ecde1ca0965427@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20612131657o7523a37eicfcbe5dc31bd7515@mail.gmail.com> <6583c9ed0612161141i7b36a5ffv21f85c82427f96f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6583c9ed0612161154k494ba86fjc04dca3d3fd7d53c@mail.gmail.com> I didn't finish 1) In the bios, I disabled the LAN - supposing that to be the onboard NIC 2) I changed the Aopen AON-325 (Realtek 8139D) to Linksys LNE100TX (Centaur-P). These are both from DisklessWorkstations.com 3) I swapped my long 50' crossover cable with a shorter 3' one. If I change back to the Aopen card, it gets much farther than before but ends with a kernel panic on the client. I can understand that there might be some conflict with the onboard NIC; but is seems that a longer ethernet cable should just make it slower. On 12/16/06, Bruce Anderson wrote: > > It is sort of working. Thanks. I am writing this from my new LTSP > client. I am not really sure what is important, but > > > > On 12/13/06, Sudev Barar wrote: > > > > On 13/12/06, Bruce Anderson wrote: > > > > > Dec 12 14:36:15 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.253 to > > > > > 00:40:f4:e8:e9:24 via eth0 > > > > The above shows that there is something wrong with your dhcpd.conf > > > > file. You say first that your server eth0 is 192.168.0.254 but the > > log > > > > messages above show that dhcpd is offering 192.168.0.253 and then > > > > client keeps seraching for this "253" IP. > > > I thought that DHCPOFFER meant that the server was offering 253 to be > > the > > > ip for the client. In my dhcpd.conf, > > > I changed the range ending from 253 to 199 and now the messages file > > shows > > > > > > Dec 13 09:16:39 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:40:f4:e8:e9:24 via > > eth0 > > > Dec 13 09:16:40 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.199 to > > > 00:40:f4:e8:e9:24 via eth0 > > > > > > Cursing myself for putting foot in the mouth....You are right and I was > > wrong. > > > > So if the request for IP comes and an IP is offerred by server...what > > happens at client end? Does it go forth with dots flashing by or?? I > > always went back to > > http://ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1-en.html#AEN788 and did > > step by step check. HTH. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Sudev Barar > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > > -- > Bruce Anderson > Westmont High School, Room 44 > 4805 Westmont Avenue > Campbell, CA 95008 > (408)378-1500 x6244 > -- Bruce Anderson Westmont High School, Room 44 4805 Westmont Avenue Campbell, CA 95008 (408)378-1500 x6244 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Theo.Turner at CumnorHouse.com Sat Dec 16 20:28:17 2006 From: Theo.Turner at CumnorHouse.com (Theo Turner) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:28:17 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP/Router Message-ID: <2A05A29A9916524F969FFB1FA042BFC34E620A@server.CumnorHouse.local> I am still having difficulty with nx over the internet. In fact I don't seem to be able to use vnc or any other service across the internet. The box is a K12 LTSP 5 machine connected to the internet through a Router. The router has port forwards (NAT) set up for all the relevant services. Some to this machine and some to a windows mail server. I have run a port scan on the internet IP from home and this shows the ports forwarded to the windows box as open (which they are as vpn/email/rdp etc work) but the ones going the Linux box as closed. I presume this must be down to a firewall on Linux. So I tried resetting the firewall to allow everything using webmin. But it still doesn't work. So I am now confused! Please Help. Thanks Theo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hick518 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 16 20:39:19 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:39:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Refurbished sites/stories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061216203919.29059.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have 3 very small examples, none of which are LTSP related and only 1 of which is education related. 1) I just set up an old computer (a Pentium II, 350 MHz) with Xubuntu 6.10 for my son's preschool. With 192 MB RAM, it actually runs ok. Applications are slow to load, but run at normal speed once loaded. The computer was given to me, and I'm giving it to the school in hopes that it will turn them on to Linux. 2) At work, I rescued 2 old computers that were slated for the scrap heap. They were both Pentium III 900 MHz machines. One had 512 MB RAM, the other had 128 MB. One is located in New Jersey, the other is located in England. They do hourly backups of our drawings, and then rsync them across the ocean to the other computer. CentOS 4 is installed on these machines. I also run FreeNX server on them and our engineers log in to use Imendio Planner -- an MS Project clone. (The 128 MB machine can really only handle 1 login at a time). 3) The parent company of the company I work for has a monthly "Innovation Award". All employees of all the sister companies are encouraged to submit ideas, and cash prizes are awarded. Submission of ideas is via the parent company's intranet site. Most of our shop workers do not have computer access, so I fixed that using Linux. I again raided the "to be junked" pile and came up with two Pentium III machines -- a 500 MHz and a 650 MHz, each with 128 MB RAM. They run Xubuntu 6.06 and work well. Firefox is a little slow to load, but webpages open quickly--even ones that use Flash. So there are 5 computers saved from the junk pile, all performing useful functions. -Rob --- ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > Hi group > The district's head of instructional technology has > asked me to compile > a "how can old computers be used again" using linux > and open source. I > believe it's part of a county-wide effort to provide > employment to > (twin-plant/maquila) displaced workers. I can rant > about how-to, but I > am in short supply of links to disticts and > communities where this is > being done. I also know there are vendors in the > list that may want to > make sure their contribution appears, as the > district will most likely > farm out the initial training and workplace set-up. > > I will gladly share the results with the group, as > Open Source's mantra > is about sharing information and resources. > > cheers > Alan A Hodson > http://links.episd.org/ > El Paso TX > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mrjohnlucas at gmail.com Sat Dec 16 20:40:19 2006 From: mrjohnlucas at gmail.com (John Lucas) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:40:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP/Router In-Reply-To: <2A05A29A9916524F969FFB1FA042BFC34E620A@server.CumnorHouse.local> References: <2A05A29A9916524F969FFB1FA042BFC34E620A@server.CumnorHouse.local> Message-ID: <200612161640.19605.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> First step is to determine if the problem is on the Linux server or on your perimeter firewall. Can you ssh into the Linux server from the LAN? Are there address restrictions for sshd in /etc/hosts.allow? If the answer to the first question is yes, and the answer to the second is no, then I suspect the problem is at your perimeter firewall/router. You would need to be able to check the settings there to see if port 22 is being forwarded to the *correct* IP address. This assumes that you have successfully opened up IPTables firewall on the server (as you asserted). It would be good to verify that too. On Saturday 16 December 2006 16:28, Theo Turner wrote: > I am still having difficulty with nx over the internet. In fact I don't > seem to be able to use vnc or any other service across the internet. The > box is a K12 LTSP 5 machine connected to the internet through a Router. > The router has port forwards (NAT) set up for all the relevant services. > Some to this machine and some to a windows mail server. I have run a > port scan on the internet IP from home and this shows the ports > forwarded to the windows box as open (which they are as vpn/email/rdp > etc work) but the ones going the Linux box as closed. I presume this > must be down to a firewall on Linux. So I tried resetting the firewall > to allow everything using webmin. But it still doesn't work. So I am now > confused! Please Help. > > > > Thanks > > Theo -- "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." - Mark Twain | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com | | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/ | | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) | From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Sat Dec 16 23:27:07 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:27:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki? In-Reply-To: <45838EC0.2030802@maltzen.net> References: <43080f460612151147x32770bccr11f68c6bfbc6014@mail.gmail.com> <4582FD82.1050404@maltzen.net> <4583208C.9000801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45832A7F.5010608@mesd.k12.or.us> <45838EC0.2030802@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <458480CB.30701@mesd.k12.or.us> Nothing is lost. The phpwiki is still exactly where it was. Lots of links broke because of differences in the way special characters were munged when used in links. I'm sure we can clean up. Can you point me at the page in phpwiki that you're referring to? I'll make sure that one is moved. Thanks! -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 Petre Scheie wrote: > Some pages seem to be missing, apparently denoted by the link being in > red rather than blue. For example the page on autologin with gdm links > to just a blank wiki page--I really hope I don't have to write that one > over, the details are already fuzzy in my mind. > > I second Steve's suggestion that the whole website be moved to a wiki. > > Petre > > Dan Young wrote: >> OK, here's a first cut at the k12ltsp.org wiki in MediaWiki. MediaWiki >> is, of course, the wiki used by Wikipedia. >> >> http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/ >> >> User accounts will need to be created. The old ones were not >> transferred. Anonymous editing is not allowed; wiki-spam has been a >> problem on phpwiki. >> >> Your feedback/praise/threats/screams are desired, although requests for >> a different wiki engine will probably not be feasible without a detailed >> plan for migration from phpwiki. Thanks! >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From twolfe at sawback.com Sun Dec 17 02:54:45 2006 From: twolfe at sawback.com (Tom Wolfe) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 19:54:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Refurbished sites/stories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200612170354.kBH3sooR007121@mx1.redhat.com> Refurbished story: This summer my principal asked me to put together a lab of 20 computers with almost no hardware budget (<$3000). So I have 30 PI 100 MHz, PII 500 MHz, and Celeron 500 MHz machines (from 64MB to 128MB) that I got literally from the scrap pile (the PI units are real antiques, 1996 IBM 360 units). With a recommissioned Pentium Xeon server and a couple of fast switches I've turned them all into amazingly functional workstations networked fully with Active Directory (thanks in no small part to the help I've had from this list). We've had about 2 weeks piloting the lab and so far so good. Regards, Tom Wolfe -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of ahodson at elp.rr.com Sent: December 4, 2006 08:29 To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Refurbished sites/stories Hi group The district's head of instructional technology has asked me to compile a "how can old computers be used again" using linux and open source. I believe it's part of a county-wide effort to provide employment to (twin-plant/maquila) displaced workers. I can rant about how-to, but I am in short supply of links to disticts and communities where this is being done. I also know there are vendors in the list that may want to make sure their contribution appears, as the district will most likely farm out the initial training and workplace set-up. I will gladly share the results with the group, as Open Source's mantra is about sharing information and resources. cheers Alan A Hodson http://links.episd.org/ El Paso TX -=o=- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cliebow at midmaine.com Sun Dec 17 04:30:28 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 23:30:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Refurbished sites/stories In-Reply-To: <200612170354.kBH3sooR007121@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200612170354.kBH3sooR007121@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4926.76.179.82.249.1166329828.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> good mana..dont forget to aDD yourself to success stories in wiki.ltsp.org..need help? there's a alot fo people here ready to..aand try #ltsp at freenode.net..8`) > Refurbished story: > > This summer my principal asked me to put together a lab of 20 computers > with > almost no hardware budget (<$3000). So I have 30 PI 100 MHz, PII 500 MHz, > and Celeron 500 MHz machines (from 64MB to 128MB) that I got literally > from > the scrap pile (the PI units are real antiques, 1996 IBM 360 units). With > a > recommissioned Pentium Xeon server and a couple of fast switches I've > turned > them all into amazingly functional workstations networked fully with > Active > Directory (thanks in no small part to the help I've had from this list). > We've had about 2 weeks piloting the lab and so far so good. > > Regards, > Tom Wolfe > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf > Of ahodson at elp.rr.com > Sent: December 4, 2006 08:29 > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Refurbished sites/stories > > Hi group > The district's head of instructional technology has asked me to compile > a "how can old computers be used again" using linux and open source. I > believe it's part of a county-wide effort to provide employment to > (twin-plant/maquila) displaced workers. I can rant about how-to, but I > am in short supply of links to disticts and communities where this is > being done. I also know there are vendors in the list that may want to > make sure their contribution appears, as the district will most likely > farm out the initial training and workplace set-up. > > I will gladly share the results with the group, as Open Source's mantra > is about sharing information and resources. > > cheers > Alan A Hodson > http://links.episd.org/ > El Paso TX > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Sun Dec 17 19:20:01 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 11:20:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool monitor- control blank screen In-Reply-To: <52106.127.0.0.1.1166284436.squirrel@server1> References: <52106.127.0.0.1.1166284436.squirrel@server1> Message-ID: On 12/16/06, Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello All, > > Fresh install of K12LTSP v5. I've used fl_teachertool since first version. > I tried enabling the Monitor/Control part of fl_teachertool[0.34] per the > /usr/share/docs/fl_teachertool/install.txt. I changed the path for the > "sudoers" from the documented /usr/local/bin/Fl_TeacherTool to > usr/sbin/fl_teachertool to coincide with the rpm install of > fl_teachertool. > Problem: When i try and either Monitor or Control a client machine (as > root) from server or another workstation i get a blank/black screeen on > TightVNC. > I'm not sure how to troubleshoot this,as far as doing a "ps > aux>something",,or whatever. I dont see any weird errors in system > messages either. > Do i need to restart the server for the changes i added in the > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > X4_MODULE_02 = vnc > ( I have not restarted server since this update.) > also i did remeber to : > /usr/bin/vncpasswd > cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ > > ROBARK to the rescue please,,,:) I'm back. I have been in a power outage since Thursday night. You realize how dependent you are on electricity when you don't have it. Okay Barry here is the standard message I send to people having trouble with fl_teachertool. If it still doesn't work let us know. Below is the specific instructions to enable the control/monitor features of fl_TT for K12LTSP 5.0 or later. These are not done by default for two reasons. One is that passwords are different for everbody. Two is that the x11vnc module is not required by people who are not using fl_TT. I'm not sure exactly how much resources loading the x11vnc module takes up on the client but why enable it if people are not going to use it. Therefore, Eric left it as an option. It's a one line edit. 1) Edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and uncomment (remove the "#") from the following line: X4_MODULE_02 = vnc 2) Now you'll have to make a password for the vnc-session. Run this command as root user: /usr/bin/vncpasswd 3) Again as root user copy the password file into the ltsp-tree cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ 4) Important: Reboot your clients If you wish teachers who do not have root password to run fl_TT, then follow the instructions below. Setting Up Fl_TeacherTool to run with sudo: Step 1 Create a group for teachers using "system-config-users". For example 'teachers'. Then add that group to all the users who you wish to run fl_teachertool. Step 2 become root with $su - Then run "visudo". It's a special editor for the sudoers file. Add the following line to the end of the file using vi editing techniques %teachers ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/fl_teachertool make sure that it's not the last line (in other words: don't forget to hit enter) If you don't know vi then just goto the last line and hit the letter "i" for (insert) then type the above line, hit enter, then hit the escape key. Now type :wq (hit enter) this saves and exits. Step 3 If your fellow teachers are not comfortable typing "sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool" then add an alias in file .bashrc (notice it starts with a period) in the home directory of the people who will run the program like this # User specific aliases and functions alias teach='sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool' Then they only have to type "teach" or alternatively put a launcher icon with the command sudo /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool on their desktop > > Thanks, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Dec 17 23:47:04 2006 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:47:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool monitor- control blank screen Message-ID: <44666.192.168.254.3.1166399224.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hi Robert, From paul at vaz.co.uk Sun Dec 17 23:51:41 2006 From: paul at vaz.co.uk (Paul Humphreys) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 23:51:41 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] openvpn on LTSP-FC5 Message-ID: <000001c72236$4ccf2250$7700a8c0@devXP> Dear colleagues OPENVPN ON LTSP-FC5 Is anyone running the latest version of openvpn for remote access to files on the server (from a windows XP client) over the internet? I don't want to ask a specific config question at this stage --- because I'm still learning by doing, and no pain no gain. But a quick confirmation that the latest openvpn actually runs on LTSP-FC5 would be very welcome. I've tried various configurations and well-documented walkthroughs, with full uninstall and reinstall of openvpn each time to give me a clean start. But however I try, I cannot get the openvpn service actually to run on the server. The service always shows as 'service not started' and 'service openvpn restart' always fails. I've checked and rechecked the associated config files, certificates, keys, router firewall, linux firewall, IP settings, paths, etc etc and cannot find anything obviously wrong with the setup: all appears to be by the book. On the same machine VNC works OK, as does SSH, WINscp3, FTP, HTTP, NX --- I'm working my way through all the protocols, to learn. But openvpn, no. I've noticed that I've not actually found any articles about openvpn specifically for LTSP-FC5, and wonder if there may be an incompatibility I am not aware of? But notice of a successful install --- will be enough to keep me on the case for a solution... Many thanks Paul Oxford UK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at eazylivin.net Sun Dec 17 23:56:00 2006 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:56:00 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool monitor- control blank screen Message-ID: <42529.192.168.254.3.1166399760.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hi Robert, Thanks for the detailed howto. I done exactly as you posted. I used the install.txt file with fl_teachertool,[0.34] and went through the whole deal. As I said I have rebooted the clients after doing all the mods. I simply uncommented the line as said,in the lts.conf. It seems simple enough. When I use both Monitor & Control I get a black screen with a pointer/cursor and that's were my world crumbles:)... All the other functions of fl_teachertool works correctly. I double checked to make sure the root/vnc password is in the /opt/ltsp/i386/root tree ,and it is. This is a freh install of K12LTSP v5. I havent retried to recopy the vncpasswd file a second time. maybe this is worth a shot. Would this prevent Tightvnc from "showing" anything? I'm thinking i surely do not need to reboot the server for the changes to take effect on the server side should I? Maybe at least restart vncserver, maybe?...I dont think I've done that.. I'm missing something simple, I'm sure. Thanks, Barry Cisna From les at futuresource.com Mon Dec 18 05:07:37 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 23:07:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] openvpn on LTSP-FC5 In-Reply-To: <000001c72236$4ccf2250$7700a8c0@devXP> References: <000001c72236$4ccf2250$7700a8c0@devXP> Message-ID: <1166418456.17502.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2006-12-17 at 17:51, Paul Humphreys wrote: > OPENVPN ON LTSP-FC5 > > Is anyone running the latest version of openvpn for remote access to > files on the server (from a windows XP client) over the internet? What do you mean by 'latest version'? Is it the one you get from the fedora extras repository with: "yum install openvpn"? > But however I try, I cannot get the openvpn service actually to run on > the server. You should have something in /var/log/messages related to the error. I haven't run that version myself, but I'd expect it to at least start or write a log message with the reason for failing. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From sbarar at gmail.com Mon Dec 18 05:17:35 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:47:35 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] [FINALLY SOLVED!] Odd wireless mouse behaviour In-Reply-To: <774593a20612160114y52a66f9fs1ba736e682a7c4d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <774593a20612121853h69f52644lb88aba9dfc8a9d1f@mail.gmail.com> <774593a20612160114y52a66f9fs1ba736e682a7c4d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <774593a20612172117t26da5ba7w31bd69da16095003@mail.gmail.com> > On 13/12/06, Sudev Barar wrote: > > I recently got Microsoft (I know not the best names here but they do > > sell decent hardware also) wireless keyboard mouse. This is a model > > with only one USB plug on the transmitter rather than traditional two > > plugs (one for keyboard and one for mouse). I just plug it in and > > booted the terminal and thing works BUT only about once in four > > attempts! > > Okay this is what I have done so far and it seems to work... > > I noticed on study of /var/log/messages that wehenever hiddev driver > got loaded before usbmouse driver the mouse behaves normally. If the > usbmouse driver gets loaded first then mouse gets stuck. For the > curious I am giving two sequences of thin client boot below for > details the first one is when mouse fails and the second one when it > works. > > To force HIDDEV to load before USBMOUSE I edited the file > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.usb and modified the 11th line from: > > for module in keybdev mousedev input usbmouse usbkbd > > chnged to: > > for module in usbhid hiddev keybdev mousedev input usbmouse usbkbd > > This way usbhid drivers gets loaded and then hiddev driver gets loaded > and then usbmouse and then usbkbd. Without loading USBHID the HIDDEV > does not work. And all these are part of USBCORE. > The logic / description remains same but instead of editing /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.usb I had to finally edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sysinit I added the two modules to line#128 and achieved the desired sequence of driver loading and got my mouse working. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From robark at gmail.com Mon Dec 18 05:22:42 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:22:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool monitor- control blank screen In-Reply-To: <42529.192.168.254.3.1166399760.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <42529.192.168.254.3.1166399760.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: On 12/17/06, Barry Cisna wrote: > > Hi Robert, > > Thanks for the detailed howto. I done exactly as you posted. I used > the install.txt file with fl_teachertool,[0.34] and went through the > whole deal. As I said I have rebooted the clients after doing all > the mods. I simply uncommented the line as said,in the lts.conf. It > seems simple enough. When I use both Monitor & Control I get a black > screen with a pointer/cursor and that's were my world crumbles:)... > All the other functions of fl_teachertool works correctly. I double > checked to make sure the root/vnc password is in the /opt/ltsp/i386/root > tree ,and it is. This is a freh install of K12LTSP v5. > I havent retried to recopy the vncpasswd file a second time. maybe this is > worth a shot. Would this prevent Tightvnc from "showing" anything? > I'm thinking i surely do not need to reboot the server for the changes to > take effect on the server side should I? Maybe at least restart vncserver, > maybe?...I dont think I've done that.. > I'm missing something simple, I'm sure. Try it manually. Get the ip of any client that's logged in (maybe from fl_teachertool window) and then vncviewer ip-of-client it should ask for the vnc password and connect. > > Thanks, > > Barry Cisna > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From robark at gmail.com Mon Dec 18 16:11:52 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:11:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool monitor- control blank screen In-Reply-To: References: <42529.192.168.254.3.1166399760.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: On 12/17/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 12/17/06, Barry Cisna wrote: > > > > Hi Robert, > > > > Thanks for the detailed howto. I done exactly as you posted. I used > > the install.txt file with fl_teachertool,[0.34] and went through the > > whole deal. As I said I have rebooted the clients after doing all > > the mods. I simply uncommented the line as said,in the lts.conf. It > > seems simple enough. When I use both Monitor & Control I get a black > > screen with a pointer/cursor and that's were my world crumbles:)... > > All the other functions of fl_teachertool works correctly. I double > > checked to make sure the root/vnc password is in the /opt/ltsp/i386/root > > tree ,and it is. This is a freh install of K12LTSP v5. > > I havent retried to recopy the vncpasswd file a second time. maybe this is > > worth a shot. Would this prevent Tightvnc from "showing" anything? > > I'm thinking i surely do not need to reboot the server for the changes to > > take effect on the server side should I? Maybe at least restart vncserver, > > maybe?...I dont think I've done that.. > > I'm missing something simple, I'm sure. > > Try it manually. Get the ip of any client that's logged in (maybe from > fl_teachertool window) and then > > vncviewer ip-of-client > > it should ask for the vnc password and connect. One more thing I forgot. Try resetting things by hitting F9 (under file menu) in fl_teachertool. > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Barry Cisna > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From julius at turtle.com Mon Dec 18 16:33:36 2006 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:33:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] openvpn on LTSP-FC5 In-Reply-To: <1166418456.17502.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sun, 2006-12-17 at 17:51, Paul Humphreys wrote: > > > OPENVPN ON LTSP-FC5 > > > > Is anyone running the latest version of openvpn for remote access to > > files on the server (from a windows XP client) over the internet? > > What do you mean by 'latest version'? Is it the one you get > from the fedora extras repository with: "yum install openvpn"? > > > But however I try, I cannot get the openvpn service actually to run on > > the server. > > You should have something in /var/log/messages related to the > error. I haven't run that version myself, but I'd expect > it to at least start or write a log message with the reason > for failing. > I'm using OpenVPN in production on Fedora 4 and 5. Works flawlessly, once configured correctly ;-) Make sure you set higher verbosity in the config file (for testing only) if the default level (3) doesn't give you sufficient detail in /var/log/messages. julius From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Mon Dec 18 18:59:50 2006 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (Larry McPherson) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:59:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] - Core 3 PDC - windows print In-Reply-To: <20061128150424.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.d1afbf8dc7.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20061128150424.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.d1afbf8dc7.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <4586E526.9000500@mail.sumner.k12.me.us> We added a Core 3 Primary Domain Controller at the High School using the D. Trask instructions --- which works great (thanks)! Students can go anywhere in the school and their home folder follows them. Now I would like to add a printer that is a share off of a Windows PC (hooked to the parallel port) that all the students could print to. Windows PC (domain login, room 1)-------> send print job ------> Windows PC (domain login here as well, room 2) ------> p. port to printer. I can login as a student and add the printer, which works great for that student - but doe's not show up for other students. I don't want to login as every student in the school and add a printer. Any and all advice is welcome. Larry From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Dec 18 19:04:57 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:04:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] - Core 3 PDC - windows print In-Reply-To: <4586E526.9000500@mail.sumner.k12.me.us> References: <20061128150424.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.d1afbf8dc7.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <4586E526.9000500@mail.sumner.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <4586E659.80505@paasda.org> Normally I add the printers to the windows machines as administrator when I create the image. Then it is there ready to use, no matter which user logs on. You should still be able to do this...by logging on 'local machine' as administrator and adding the printer. --Huck Larry McPherson wrote: > We added a Core 3 Primary Domain Controller at the High School using the > D. Trask instructions --- which works great (thanks)! Students can go > anywhere in the school and their home folder follows them. Now I would > like to add a printer that is a share off of a Windows PC (hooked to the > parallel port) that all the students could print to. > > Windows PC (domain login, room 1)-------> send print job ------> Windows > PC (domain login here as well, room 2) ------> p. port to printer. > > I can login as a student and add the printer, which works great for that > student - but doe's not show up for other students. I don't want to > login as every student in the school and add a printer. > > Any and all advice is welcome. > > Larry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From petre at maltzen.net Mon Dec 18 19:28:16 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:28:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories In-Reply-To: <006701c72115$18eec700$c60e10ac@melka> References: <018501c72037$a124ebb0$c60e10ac@melka><694F1444-9A80-4376-90DC-A5022D93723A@breun.nl><01dd01c72043$3b589ff0$c60e10ac@melka><4582C09E.8030509@maltzen.net><0d7f01c72062$21ef6750$0301a8c0@lammas><4582C722.2010503@maltzen.net><0dcf01c72067$3e3faff0$0301a8c0@lammas><001201c720fe$1543dee0$c60e10ac@melka><774593a20612160248g4d64ede8ufde1224ebcf2b69d@mail.gmail.com><003801c72100$ef70c450$c60e10ac@melka><774593a20612160322s5ed8af6bw474e867bf839ce78@mail.gmail.com><005501c72105$eb95e1d0$c60e10ac@melka><005e01c72110$22cde260$c60e10ac@melka> <006701c72115$18eec700$c60e10ac@melka> Message-ID: <4586EBD0.9070804@maltzen.net> Wait a minute! Are you trying to clear/remove the home directory for the user ID terminal9 while terminal9 is still logged in? If so, you can't do that. You'd have to kill all of terminal9's PIDs first, then remove the files. Petre Meelis Mihhailov wrote: > Hi Burke ! > > while logged in with the user, did a lsof | grep /home/terminal9 and it > showed no files or folders with the names that were created. > *************************************************************************************** > > gnome-ses 28067 terminal9 cwd DIR 9,1 4096 10848282 > /home/terminal9 > gnome-ses 28067 terminal9 mem REG 9,1 65597 10913675 > /home/terminal9/.rh-fontconfig/.fonts.cache-2 > gnome-ses 28067 terminal9 17r REG 9,1 65597 10913675 > /home/terminal9/.rh-fontconfig/.fonts.cache-2 > lbussd 28100 terminal9 cwd DIR 9,1 4096 10848282 > /home/terminal9 > lbussd 28100 terminal9 1w REG 9,1 0 10848294 > /home/terminal9/.lbussd.out > lbussd 28100 terminal9 4r FIFO 9,1 10848296 > /home/terminal9/.lbus_fifo > gnome-key 28168 terminal9 cwd DIR 9,1 4096 10848282 > /home/terminal9 > metacity 28180 terminal9 cwd DIR 9,1 4096 10848282 > /home/terminal9 > metacity 28180 terminal9 mem REG 9,1 65597 10913675 > /home/terminal9/.rh-fontconfig/.fonts.cache-2 > metacity 28180 terminal9 14r REG 9,1 65597 10913675 > /home/terminal9/.rh-fontconfig/.fonts.cache-2 > gnome-pan 28186 terminal9 cwd DIR 9,1 4096 10848282 > /home/terminal9 > gnome-pan 28186 terminal9 mem REG 9,1 65597 10913675 > /home/terminal9/.rh-fontconfig/.fonts.cache-2 > gnome-pan 28186 terminal9 16r REG 9,1 65597 10913675 > /home/terminal9/.rh-fontconfig/.fonts.cache-2 > nautilus 28188 terminal9 cwd DIR 9,1 4096 10848282 > /home/terminal9 > nautilus 28188 terminal9 mem REG 9,1 65597 10913675 > /home/terminal9/.rh-fontconfig/.fonts.cache-2 > nautilus 28188 terminal9 23r REG 9,1 65597 10913675 > /home/terminal9/.rh-fontconfig/.fonts.cache-2 > eggcups 28199 terminal9 cwd DIR 9,1 4096 10848282 > /home/terminal9 > nm-applet 28211 terminal9 cwd DIR 9,1 4096 10848282 > /home/terminal9 > pam-panel 28213 terminal9 cwd DIR 9,1 4096 10848282 > /home/terminal9 > clock-app 28220 terminal9 mem REG 9,1 65597 10913675 > /home/terminal9/.rh-fontconfig/.fonts.cache-2 > clock-app 28220 terminal9 38r REG 9,1 65597 10913675 > /home/terminal9/.rh-fontconfig/.fonts.cache-2 > wnck-appl 28222 terminal9 mem REG 9,1 65597 10913675 > /home/terminal9/.rh-fontconfig/.fonts.cache-2 > wnck-appl 28222 terminal9 39r REG 9,1 65597 10913675 > /home/terminal9/.rh-fontconfig/.fonts.cache-2 > *************************************************************************************** > > > now when logged of ... at the end of PostSession script sequence : > *************************************************************************************** > > gconfd-2 28327 terminal9 15w REG 9,1 85244 10913564 > /home/terminal9/.gconfd/saved_state (deleted) > *************************************************************************************** > > and while waiting a bit more ... list is empty. > > This is what it shows when I'm writing this letter and looking state > over SSH. > However ... when I'm at the server and repeating the lsof | grep > /home/terminal9 while it's in the logout sequence I get some more > information but all of them get the (deleted) message and are font > files/folders and config files. Nothing about folders / files created by > the user > > > Meelis > --- > meelis at nlib.ee > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burke Almquist" > > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:01 PM > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Are the files that it won't erase being held open by something? Try >> using lsof? >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkWD7iQACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQ36wCfUoZVQc+Srp9FOyjCslz0R2ln >> yY4An0P3LMrhj4DBJVTOShtrbfnx8hqL >> =nYBm >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Mon Dec 18 19:40:18 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:40:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki? In-Reply-To: <458480CB.30701@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43080f460612151147x32770bccr11f68c6bfbc6014@mail.gmail.com> <4582FD82.1050404@maltzen.net> <4583208C.9000801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45832A7F.5010608@mesd.k12.or.us> <45838EC0.2030802@maltzen.net> <458480CB.30701@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4586EEA2.50407@maltzen.net> http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/A%20more%20complete%20How-To%20for%20setting%20up%20autologin%20of%20clients%20using%20Gnome%20%26%20GDM Dan Young wrote: > Nothing is lost. The phpwiki is still exactly where it was. Lots of > links broke because of differences in the way special characters were > munged when used in links. I'm sure we can clean up. > > Can you point me at the page in phpwiki that you're referring to? I'll > make sure that one is moved. > > Thanks! > From jahnigl at hotmail.com Mon Dec 18 19:45:45 2006 From: jahnigl at hotmail.com (Lance Jahnig) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:45:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] - Core 3 PDC - windows print In-Reply-To: <4586E526.9000500@mail.sumner.k12.me.us> Message-ID: >From: Larry McPherson >Reply-To: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us,"Support list for open source >software in schools." >To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >Subject: [K12OSN] - Core 3 PDC - windows print >Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:59:50 -0500 > >We added a Core 3 Primary Domain Controller at the High School using the D. >Trask instructions --- which works great (thanks)! Students can go >anywhere in the school and their home folder follows them. Now I would >like to add a printer that is a share off of a Windows PC (hooked to the >parallel port) that all the students could print to. > >Windows PC (domain login, room 1)-------> send print job ------> Windows PC >(domain login here as well, room 2) ------> p. port to printer. > >I can login as a student and add the printer, which works great for that >student - but doe's not show up for other students. I don't want to login >as every student in the school and add a printer. > >Any and all advice is welcome. > >Larry > >_______________________________________________ In NT4/2000/XP you can create local printers for all users. You can only create shares for individual users. If you want to create a shared printer for all users on a machine you have to have the printer setup for the Default User. Then you have to delete all of the local profiles so when a user logs into the machine again they get the Default User settings. You can also share printers in XP (I am not sure about other windows OS's) as lpr then create a local printer on the other machines. ------------- Windows XP ----------------------------------------- Note: Will need to have "Other Network File and Print Services" Windows Component installed. 1. Start Registy Editor (regedit.xe) 2. Locate and click the following key in the registyr: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Print\Printers\PRINTERNAME\PrinterDriverData Where PRINTERNAME is the name of the printer that you want to configure. 3. Uset the appropriate method for your version of Microsoft Windows. On the Edit menu, click Add Value, and then add the following registy value: Value Name: LpdPrinterPassThrough Data Type: REG_DWORD Value Data: 1 4 Quit Registy Editor. 5. Stop and then restart the TCP/IP Print Server service and the Spooler service. Star -> Administrator Tools -> Services Double click TCP/IP Print Server Chage Startup type to automatic If stopped then start If started then stop, ther start. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ With the other machines you can then create a local LPR port. Note: Will need to have "Other Network File and Print Services" Windows Component installed. _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC.? Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail From jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com Mon Dec 18 20:17:11 2006 From: jim.c.christiansen at gmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:17:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] More to do with accents... Message-ID: <8b88203f0612181217t3bb3aad6sb1d1fb3b46b0c34c@mail.gmail.com> Well, I let our languages teacher read the reply about using accents in Gnome and Openoffice and she got back to me that the right-alt apostrophe and a letter key just pulls down menus in Openoffice. Any other ideas? I have found somewhere on internet on using an openoffice macro for this but I'ld rather not go there yet. Thanks, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meelis at nlib.ee Mon Dec 18 20:40:28 2006 From: meelis at nlib.ee (Meelis) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 22:40:28 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories References: <018501c72037$a124ebb0$c60e10ac@melka><694F1444-9A80-4376-90DC-A5022D93723A@breun.nl><01dd01c72043$3b589ff0$c60e10ac@melka><4582C09E.8030509@maltzen.net><0d7f01c72062$21ef6750$0301a8c0@lammas><4582C722.2010503@maltzen.net><0dcf01c72067$3e3faff0$0301a8c0@lammas><001201c720fe$1543dee0$c60e10ac@melka><774593a20612160248g4d64ede8ufde1224ebcf2b69d@mail.gmail.com><003801c72100$ef70c450$c60e10ac@melka><774593a20612160322s5ed8af6bw474e867bf839ce78@mail.gmail.com><005501c72105$eb95e1d0$c60e10ac@melka><005e01c72110$22cde260$c60e10ac@melka> <006701c72115$18eec700$c60e10ac@melka> <4586EBD0.9070804@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <012f01c722e4$c14f8350$0301a8c0@lammas> > Wait a minute! Are you trying to clear/remove the home directory for the > user ID terminal9 while terminal9 is still logged in? If so, you can't do > that. You'd have to kill all of terminal9's PIDs first, then remove the > files. > > Petre > Hi Petre ! Actually user should be logged out by the time my script starts to work. PostSession should be script that will be executed right after the users' session has been terminated and in there I wrote my code. The same system works with no problems in my current FC4 system. If the problem is that the user is still logged in it should that be an issue in the FC4 system as well ? If I use a timed solution (that is at the moment my solution) then I managed to get the timing right and now all data is erased. I do not like this because it's dirty :( Meelis --- meelis at nlib.ee From melliott at rpmhd.org Mon Dec 18 20:50:01 2006 From: melliott at rpmhd.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:50:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Not Working Correctly On LTSP 5 Message-ID: <4586FEF9.10608@rpmhd.org> Hello and thanks for taking the time to read my note. I am having trouble getting dhcp to use my dhcpd.conf and/or lts.conf file. What I am seeing is that when a terminal boots it is assigned 192.168.0.252, the I setup dhcpd.conf to assign the mac of this machine 192.168.0.131 - I use these static addresses to print. I hosed my installation of K12LTSP 4 last week and I decided to go ahead and install version 5. I pulled my lts.conf and dhcp.conf files from my hosed install prior to formatting the install. One thing that I keep seeing is in the dchp.conf file a reference to /etc/init.d/dchp to be sure and set run_dhcpd=1. I didn't know where I should place this in the file. I hope this is not inappropriate but I will paste the contents of my files below: I would appreciate any advice you guys might be able to offer me. FYI: This is a fresh install with two network cards /etc/dhcpd.conf # Sample configuration file for ISCD dhcpd # # Don't forget to set run_dhcpd=1 in /etc/init.d/dhcpd # once you adjusted this file and copied it to /etc/dhcpd.conf. # default-lease-time 21600; max-lease-time 21600; ddns-update-style none; allow booting; allow bootp; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255; option routers 192.168.0.208; option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.208; next-server 192.168.0.208; option domain-name "ltsp"; option root-path "192.168.0.208:/opt/ltsp/i386"; option option-128 code 128 = string; option option-129 code 129 = text; option option-221 code 221 = text; shared-network WORKSTATIONS { subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range dynamic-bootp 192.168.0.100 192.168.0.253; use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.0.208; # trick from Peter Rundle # newer Macs if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "AAPLBSDPC" { filename "yaboot"; option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; } # really old iMacs elsif substring (option option-221, 0, 5) = "Apple" { filename "yaboot"; option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; } # Intel PXE elsif substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" { # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } # default to an i386 BOOTP image else { filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; } if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 20, 3) = "ppc" { option root-path "192.168.0.208:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; } else { option root-path "192.168.0.208:/opt/ltsp/i386"; } } } # example configurations for specifying specific kernels to specific clients group { use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.0.208; host ws103 { hardware ethernet 00:01:03:de:4f:47; fixed-address 192.168.0.103; } host ws111 { hardware ethernet 00:60:08:c4:01:a7; fixed-address 192.168.0.111; } host ws112 { hardware ethernet 00:10:4B:73:38:22; fixed-address 192.168.0.112; } host ws113 { hardware ethernet 00:10:4B:73:38:FD; fixed-address 192.168.0.113; } host ws116 { hardware ethernet 00:10:4B:73:B3:E7; fixed-address 192.168.0.116; } host ws131 { hardware ethernet 00:80:AD:46:66:AB; fixed-address 192.168.0.131; } host ws135 { hardware ethernet 00:01:03:DE:50:A0; fixed-address 192.168.0.135; } host ws136 { hardware ethernet 00:48:54:88:c2:bd; fixed-address 192.168.0.136; } } ---------------------------- /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf # # Copyright (c) 2002 by James A. McQuillan (McQuillan Systems, LLC) # # This software is licensed under the Gnu General Public License. # The full text of which can be found at http://www.LTSP.org/license.txt # # # Config file for the Linux Terminal Server Project (www.ltsp.org) # [Default] # IP address of the LTSP server SERVER = 192.168.0.208 # LTSP 4.2 now defaults to restricting the video driver to 90% # of the total memory available on the terminal. Setting this # somewhere between 90 and 100 may help terminals with a marginal # mount of memory, but it is probably a better idea to set # USE_NBD_SWAP=Y for such terminals (see examples below) XRAMPERC = 90 # Video drivers for the terminals XSERVER = "auto" # XFree 4 drivers: ati cirrus cyrix fbdev i128 i740 i810 mga # neomagic nv r128 radeon rendition s3 s3virge savage # siliconmotion sis tdfx tga trident tseng vesa vga via X4_MODULE_01 = glx # add the GLX module by default, blender and the like need it ## Uncomment the following line to enable remote monitoring/control of ## terminals, especially if you use fl_teachertool: # X4_MODULE_02 = vnc # Mice drivers for the terminals X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "auto" X_USBMOUSE_PROTOCOL = "auto" # Mouse protocols: ExplorerPS/2 GlidePoint GlidePointPS/2 # IMPS/2 IntelliMouse Microsoft MouseManPlusPS/2 # NetMousePS/2 NetScrollPS/2 PS/2 ThinkingMouse # ThinkingMousePS/2 usb X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_USBMOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 X_USBMOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 USBEMULATE_3_BUTTONS = "off" # Keyboards XkbSymbols = "us(pc101)" XkbModel = "pc101" XkbLayout = "us" # Example of setting a different (German) keyboard mapping, # XkbLayout = "de" # also see: # http://www.xfree86.org/current/XKB-Config2.html # http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-3.0-4-en.html#AEN1213 # /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86.lst # (/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/) # (/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/keymap/xfree86) USE_XFS = N LOCAL_APPS = N SCREEN_01 = startx #SCREEN_02 = shell #SCREEN_03 = telnet # TELNET_HOST = 192.168.0.208 #SCREEN_04 = rdesktop # RDP_SERVER = your.2k.server # RDP_OPTIONS = -F -u fred -d ltsp # local storage device (USB keys, cdrom, etc) LOCAL_STORAGE = Y LTSPFSD_OPTIONS="" # uncomment the following line to enable SNMP support #SNMPD = Y # enable sound by default SOUND = Y # choose either esd or nasd to be the default (esd only on x86_64) SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" # SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" # default sound volume VOLUME = 75 ### For ISA sound cards, you have to specify the module to use: # SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Below are sample mode lines for a variety of vertical refresh rates and # resolutions. They are used to define the default client screen resolution. # Some lines may not work with a given monitor and video chipset. # To avoid damaging a monitor and video card, only specify mode lines that # your client's hardware can support. # Uncomment only *one* of the following X_MODE_0 lines at a time, or add one # of your own. # 60 Hz Resolutions # X_MODE_0 = 640x480 25.175 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync # X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 65 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync # 70 Hz Resolutions (Use instead of 72 Hz for 1024x768) # X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 75 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync # 72 Hz Resolutions # X_MODE_0 = 640x480 31.5 640 664 704 832 480 489 492 520 -hsync -vsync # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 50 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666 +hsync +vsync # X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 75 1024 1048 1192 1296 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync # 75 Hz Resolutions # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 49.5 800 816 896 1056 600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync # 85 Hz Resolutions # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 60.75 800 864 928 1088 600 616 621 657 -hsync -vsync ##------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ## ## The sections below are for specific terminals. You can define the ## settings for an individual terminal in three ways: ## ## 1. MAC address ## 2. Hostname ## 3. IP address ## ## Using IP address or hostname usually means editing /etc/dhcpd.conf ## for each terminal in addtion to adding the entry below. As such, ## it is generally a good idea to use the terminal's MAC address. ## ##------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ## ## Examples of specifying X settings for a workstation ## #[08:00:46:43:42:91] # XSERVER = auto # LOCAL_APPS = N # USE_NBD_SWAP = N # SWAPFILE_SIZE = 48m # #[ws002] # XSERVER = XF86_S3 # LOCAL_APPS = N # USE_NBD_SWAP = N # SWAPFILE_SIZE = 64m # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 # #[192.168.0.12] # XSERVER = ati # # ws004 is my virtual workstation running in a VMware session # #[ws004] # DNS_SERVER = 192.168.0.208 # XSERVER = auto # X4_BUSID = "PCI:0:15:0" # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 # LOCAL_APPS = N # USE_NBD_SWAP = N # SWAPFILE_SIZE = 64m #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # Example of a workstation configured to load some modules # #[ws001] # MODULE_01 = agpgart.o # This is for i810 video # MODULE_02 = uart401.o # MODULE_03 = "sb.o io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" # MODULE_04 = opl3.o #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # Example of ws001 configured for local apps # #[ws001] # LOCAL_APPS = Y # LOCAL_WM = Y # NIS_DOMAIN = ltsp # NIS_SERVER = 192.168.0.208 #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # Example of a parallel printer attached to /dev/lp0 on workstation ws001 # #[ws001] # PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 # PRINTER_0_TYPE = P # P-Parallel, S-Serial #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # Example of a serial printer attached to /dev/ttyS1 on workstation ws001 # #[ws001] # PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/ttyS1 # PRINTER_0_TYPE = S # P-Parallel, S-Serial # PRINTER_0_PORT = 9100 # tcp/ip port: defaults to 9100 # PRINTER_0_SPEED = 9600 # baud rate: defaults to 9600 # PRINTER_0_FLOWCTRL = S # Flow control: S-Software (XON/XOFF), # # H-Hardware (CTS/RTS) # PRINTER_0_PARITY = N # Parity: N-None, E-Even, O-Odd # # (defaults to 'N') # PRINTER_0_DATABITS = 8 # Databits: 5,6,7,8 (defaults to 8) # MDE Creation of C-103 [ws103] PRINTER_0_DEVICE =/dev/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = P X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" X_MOUSE_DEVICE ="/dev/ttyS0" X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync # MDE Creation of C-111 [ws111] PRINTER_0_DEVICE =/dev/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = P X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync # SOUND = Y # VOLUME = 75 # SMODULE_01 = sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 # MDE Creation of C-112 [ws112] PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = P X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync # MDE Creation of C-113 [ws113] # X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" # X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS1" X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync # MDE Creation of C-116 [ws116] PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = P X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync # SOUND = Y # VOLUME = 75 # SMODULE_01 = cmpci # MDE Creation of C-131 [ws131] PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = P X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync # MDE Creation of C-135 [ws135] PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = P X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync # MDE Creation of C-136 [ws136] PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = P X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Dec 18 20:52:41 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:52:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop big square Message-ID: If this is an issue that's been mentioned before, I apologize... If I use an HP t5215 (I think that's the model), any time I use rdesktop, instead of a regular arrow cursor, I get a giant 1" square for a cursor. I'm assuming it's a problem with the video driver or some such thing, but I wanted to see if anyone else has seen that problem. I'm using K12LTSP 5.0, with a downgraded ltsp_boot kernel, because the HP thin client doesn't work with the current ltsp_boot package. (See previous thread about the HP thin client kernel panic problem). Anyone see a giant square for a cursor in rdesktop before? Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From toddobryan at mac.com Mon Dec 18 21:29:41 2006 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:29:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] More to do with accents... In-Reply-To: <8b88203f0612181217t3bb3aad6sb1d1fb3b46b0c34c@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b88203f0612181217t3bb3aad6sb1d1fb3b46b0c34c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3363B240-A44E-4C02-ACC9-759CFB9AB4FC@mac.com> Are you sure she's using ALT and not CTRL? Also, make sure she types ALT-', lets both keys up, then types the appropriate vowel. Todd On Dec 18, 2006, at 3:17 PM, Jim Christiansen wrote: > Well, I let our languages teacher read the reply about using > accents in Gnome and Openoffice and she got back to me that the > right-alt apostrophe and a letter key just pulls down menus in > Openoffice. Any other ideas? I have found somewhere on internet > on using an openoffice macro for this but I'ld rather not go there > yet. Thanks, Jim > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Dec 18 21:34:17 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:34:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop big square In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45870959.5010509@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Shawn Powers wrote: > If this is an issue that's been mentioned before, I apologize... > > If I use an HP t5215 (I think that's the model), any time I use > rdesktop, instead of a regular arrow cursor, I get a giant 1" square for > a cursor. I'm assuming it's a problem with the video driver or some > such thing, but I wanted to see if anyone else has seen that problem. > > I'm using K12LTSP 5.0, with a downgraded ltsp_boot kernel, because the > HP thin client doesn't work with the current ltsp_boot package. (See > previous thread about the HP thin client kernel panic problem). > > Anyone see a giant square for a cursor in rdesktop before? > > Thanks, > -Shawn I received an internal question today about the exact same problem on the exact same configuration. (k12ltsp 5.0/hp t5215) I built an updated rdesktop version 1.5 package, but that didn't seem to fix the problem. I have not had the chance to do more than that. If I find a solution, I'll post it to the list. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Dec 18 22:27:19 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:27:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Not Working Correctly On LTSP 5 In-Reply-To: <4586FEF9.10608@rpmhd.org> References: <4586FEF9.10608@rpmhd.org> Message-ID: <458715C7.3010403@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Michael Elliott wrote: > Hello and thanks for taking the time to read my note. > > I am having trouble getting dhcp to use my dhcpd.conf and/or lts.conf file. > What I am seeing is that when a terminal boots it is assigned > 192.168.0.252, the I setup dhcpd.conf to assign the mac of this machine > 192.168.0.131 - I use these static addresses to print. > > I hosed my installation of K12LTSP 4 last week and I decided to go ahead > and install version 5. I pulled my lts.conf and dhcp.conf files from my > hosed install prior to formatting the install. > > One thing that I keep seeing is in the dchp.conf file a reference to > /etc/init.d/dchp to be sure and set run_dhcpd=1. I didn't know where I > should place this in the file. > > I hope this is not inappropriate but I will paste the contents of my > files below: I would appreciate any advice you guys might be able to > offer me. > FYI: This is a fresh install with two network cards In K12LTSP 5.0+, there is a conflict between Fedora's /etc/dhcpd.conf and K12LTSP's. K12LTSP now defaults to using /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf Try saving your file to /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf -Eric > /etc/dhcpd.conf > > # Sample configuration file for ISCD dhcpd > # > # Don't forget to set run_dhcpd=1 in /etc/init.d/dhcpd > # once you adjusted this file and copied it to /etc/dhcpd.conf. > # > > default-lease-time 21600; > max-lease-time 21600; > ddns-update-style none; > allow booting; > allow bootp; > > option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; > option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255; > option routers 192.168.0.208; > option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.208; > next-server 192.168.0.208; > option domain-name "ltsp"; > option root-path "192.168.0.208:/opt/ltsp/i386"; > option option-128 code 128 = string; > option option-129 code 129 = text; > option option-221 code 221 = text; > > shared-network WORKSTATIONS { > subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { > range dynamic-bootp 192.168.0.100 192.168.0.253; > use-host-decl-names on; > option log-servers 192.168.0.208; > > # trick from Peter Rundle > # newer Macs > if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "AAPLBSDPC" > { > filename "yaboot"; > option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; > } > # really old iMacs > elsif substring (option option-221, 0, 5) = "Apple" > { > filename "yaboot"; > option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; > } > # Intel PXE > elsif substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" > { > # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > # default to an i386 BOOTP image > else > { > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > } > > if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 20, 3) = "ppc" { > option root-path "192.168.0.208:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; > } else { > option root-path "192.168.0.208:/opt/ltsp/i386"; > } > } > } > > # example configurations for specifying specific kernels to specific > clients > group { > use-host-decl-names on; > option log-servers 192.168.0.208; > > > host ws103 { > hardware ethernet 00:01:03:de:4f:47; > fixed-address 192.168.0.103; > } > host ws111 { > hardware ethernet 00:60:08:c4:01:a7; > fixed-address 192.168.0.111; > } > > > host ws112 { > hardware ethernet 00:10:4B:73:38:22; > fixed-address 192.168.0.112; > } > > host ws113 { > hardware ethernet 00:10:4B:73:38:FD; > fixed-address 192.168.0.113; > } > > host ws116 { > hardware ethernet 00:10:4B:73:B3:E7; > fixed-address 192.168.0.116; > } > > host ws131 { > hardware ethernet 00:80:AD:46:66:AB; > fixed-address 192.168.0.131; > } > > host ws135 { > hardware ethernet 00:01:03:DE:50:A0; > fixed-address 192.168.0.135; > } > > host ws136 { > hardware ethernet 00:48:54:88:c2:bd; > fixed-address 192.168.0.136; > } > } > > ---------------------------- > > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > > > # > # Copyright (c) 2002 by James A. McQuillan (McQuillan Systems, LLC) > # > # This software is licensed under the Gnu General Public License. > # The full text of which can be found at http://www.LTSP.org/license.txt > # > # > # Config file for the Linux Terminal Server Project (www.ltsp.org) > # > > [Default] > # IP address of the LTSP server > SERVER = 192.168.0.208 > > # LTSP 4.2 now defaults to restricting the video driver to 90% > # of the total memory available on the terminal. Setting this > # somewhere between 90 and 100 may help terminals with a marginal > # mount of memory, but it is probably a better idea to set > # USE_NBD_SWAP=Y for such terminals (see examples below) > XRAMPERC = 90 > > # Video drivers for the terminals > XSERVER = "auto" > # XFree 4 drivers: ati cirrus cyrix fbdev i128 i740 i810 mga > # neomagic nv r128 radeon rendition s3 s3virge savage > # siliconmotion sis tdfx tga trident tseng vesa vga via > > X4_MODULE_01 = glx > # add the GLX module by default, blender and the like need it > > > ## Uncomment the following line to enable remote monitoring/control of > ## terminals, especially if you use fl_teachertool: > # X4_MODULE_02 = vnc > > # Mice drivers for the terminals > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "auto" > X_USBMOUSE_PROTOCOL = "auto" > # Mouse protocols: ExplorerPS/2 GlidePoint GlidePointPS/2 > # IMPS/2 IntelliMouse Microsoft MouseManPlusPS/2 > # NetMousePS/2 NetScrollPS/2 PS/2 ThinkingMouse > # ThinkingMousePS/2 usb > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" > X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 > X_USBMOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > X_USBMOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > USBEMULATE_3_BUTTONS = "off" > > # Keyboards > XkbSymbols = "us(pc101)" > XkbModel = "pc101" > XkbLayout = "us" > # Example of setting a different (German) keyboard mapping, > # XkbLayout = "de" > # also see: > # http://www.xfree86.org/current/XKB-Config2.html > # http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-3.0-4-en.html#AEN1213 > # /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86.lst > # (/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/) > # (/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/keymap/xfree86) > > USE_XFS = N > LOCAL_APPS = N > SCREEN_01 = startx > #SCREEN_02 = shell > #SCREEN_03 = telnet > # TELNET_HOST = 192.168.0.208 > #SCREEN_04 = rdesktop > # RDP_SERVER = your.2k.server > # RDP_OPTIONS = -F -u fred -d ltsp > > # local storage device (USB keys, cdrom, etc) > LOCAL_STORAGE = Y > LTSPFSD_OPTIONS="" > > # uncomment the following line to enable SNMP support > #SNMPD = Y > > # enable sound by default > SOUND = Y > # choose either esd or nasd to be the default (esd only on x86_64) > SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" > # SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" > > # default sound volume > VOLUME = 75 > > ### For ISA sound cards, you have to specify the module to use: > # SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" > > > #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > # Below are sample mode lines for a variety of vertical refresh rates and > # resolutions. They are used to define the default client screen > resolution. > # Some lines may not work with a given monitor and video chipset. > # To avoid damaging a monitor and video card, only specify mode lines that > # your client's hardware can support. > # Uncomment only *one* of the following X_MODE_0 lines at a time, or add > one > # of your own. > > # 60 Hz Resolutions > # X_MODE_0 = 640x480 25.175 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 > -hsync -vsync > # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 > +hsync +vsync > # X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 65 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 > -hsync -vsync > > # 70 Hz Resolutions (Use instead of 72 Hz for 1024x768) > # X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 75 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 > -hsync -vsync > > # 72 Hz Resolutions > # X_MODE_0 = 640x480 31.5 640 664 704 832 480 489 492 520 > -hsync -vsync > # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 50 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666 > +hsync +vsync > # X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 75 1024 1048 1192 1296 768 771 777 806 > -hsync -vsync > > # 75 Hz Resolutions > # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 49.5 800 816 896 1056 600 601 604 625 > +hsync +vsync > > # 85 Hz Resolutions > # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 60.75 800 864 928 1088 600 616 621 657 > -hsync -vsync > > > ##------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ## > ## The sections below are for specific terminals. You can define the > ## settings for an individual terminal in three ways: > ## > ## 1. MAC address > ## 2. Hostname > ## 3. IP address > ## > ## Using IP address or hostname usually means editing /etc/dhcpd.conf > ## for each terminal in addtion to adding the entry below. As such, > ## it is generally a good idea to use the terminal's MAC address. > ## > ##------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ## > ## Examples of specifying X settings for a workstation > ## > #[08:00:46:43:42:91] > # XSERVER = auto > # LOCAL_APPS = N > # USE_NBD_SWAP = N > # SWAPFILE_SIZE = 48m > # > #[ws002] > # XSERVER = XF86_S3 > # LOCAL_APPS = N > # USE_NBD_SWAP = N > # SWAPFILE_SIZE = 64m > # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 > # > #[192.168.0.12] > # XSERVER = ati > # > # ws004 is my virtual workstation running in a VMware session > # > #[ws004] > # DNS_SERVER = 192.168.0.208 > # XSERVER = auto > # X4_BUSID = "PCI:0:15:0" > # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 > # LOCAL_APPS = N > # USE_NBD_SWAP = N > # SWAPFILE_SIZE = 64m > > #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > # > # Example of a workstation configured to load some modules > # > #[ws001] > # MODULE_01 = agpgart.o # This is for i810 video > # MODULE_02 = uart401.o > # MODULE_03 = "sb.o io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" > # MODULE_04 = opl3.o > > #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > # > # Example of ws001 configured for local apps > # > #[ws001] > # LOCAL_APPS = Y > # LOCAL_WM = Y > # NIS_DOMAIN = ltsp > # NIS_SERVER = 192.168.0.208 > > #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > # > # Example of a parallel printer attached to /dev/lp0 on workstation ws001 > # > #[ws001] > # PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 > # PRINTER_0_TYPE = P # P-Parallel, S-Serial > > #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > # > # Example of a serial printer attached to /dev/ttyS1 on workstation ws001 > # > #[ws001] > # PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/ttyS1 > # PRINTER_0_TYPE = S # P-Parallel, S-Serial > # PRINTER_0_PORT = 9100 # tcp/ip port: defaults to 9100 > # PRINTER_0_SPEED = 9600 # baud rate: defaults to 9600 > # PRINTER_0_FLOWCTRL = S # Flow control: S-Software > (XON/XOFF), > # # H-Hardware (CTS/RTS) > # PRINTER_0_PARITY = N # Parity: N-None, E-Even, O-Odd > # # (defaults to 'N') > # PRINTER_0_DATABITS = 8 # Databits: 5,6,7,8 (defaults > to 8) > > > # MDE Creation of C-103 > [ws103] > PRINTER_0_DEVICE =/dev/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = P > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE ="/dev/ttyS0" > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 > +hsync +vsync > > # MDE Creation of C-111 > [ws111] > PRINTER_0_DEVICE =/dev/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = P > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 > +hsync +vsync > # SOUND = Y > # VOLUME = 75 > # SMODULE_01 = sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 > > # MDE Creation of C-112 > [ws112] > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = P > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 > +hsync +vsync > > # MDE Creation of C-113 > [ws113] > # X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" > # X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS1" > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 > +hsync +vsync > > > # MDE Creation of C-116 > [ws116] > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = P > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 > +hsync +vsync > # SOUND = Y > # VOLUME = 75 > # SMODULE_01 = cmpci > > > # MDE Creation of C-131 > [ws131] > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = P > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 > +hsync +vsync > > > # MDE Creation of C-135 > [ws135] > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = P > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 > +hsync +vsync > > # MDE Creation of C-136 > [ws136] > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = P > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 > +hsync +vsync > > > _______________________________________________ > From brcisna at eazylivin.net Mon Dec 18 23:12:20 2006 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:12:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool monitor- control blank screen Message-ID: <57052.192.168.254.3.1166483540.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hi Robert, Thanks again for the suggestions. It always helps to have other input!... Sorry to hear about your power outage BTW. What caused your power outage for 4 days?.. amyway when everyone cleared out I rebooted this server and fl_teachertool worked fine after that? Dont have a clue what "rejuvinated" to make it work? Works like a charm now.I cant imagine what neeeded to be restarted to make it work,,but fl_teachertool now works on this server . Thanks for the F9 tip,,,I wouldnt have known that was hiding there in the file menu BTW... Thanks again, Barry Cisna From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Dec 18 23:19:09 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:19:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki? In-Reply-To: <4586EEA2.50407@maltzen.net> References: <43080f460612151147x32770bccr11f68c6bfbc6014@mail.gmail.com> <4582FD82.1050404@maltzen.net> <4583208C.9000801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45832A7F.5010608@mesd.k12.or.us> <45838EC0.2030802@maltzen.net> <458480CB.30701@mesd.k12.or.us> <4586EEA2.50407@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <458721ED.20403@mesd.k12.or.us> Fixed. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 Peter Scheie wrote: > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/A%20more%20complete%20How-To%20for%20setting%20up%20autologin%20of%20clients%20using%20Gnome%20%26%20GDM > > > Dan Young wrote: >> Nothing is lost. The phpwiki is still exactly where it was. Lots of >> links broke because of differences in the way special characters were >> munged when used in links. I'm sure we can clean up. >> >> Can you point me at the page in phpwiki that you're referring to? I'll >> make sure that one is moved. >> >> Thanks! >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Dec 18 23:32:19 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:32:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki? In-Reply-To: <45832A7F.5010608@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43080f460612151147x32770bccr11f68c6bfbc6014@mail.gmail.com> <4582FD82.1050404@maltzen.net> <4583208C.9000801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45832A7F.5010608@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <45872503.1060100@paasda.org> http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/bonding.htm broken link... --Huck Dan Young wrote: > OK, here's a first cut at the k12ltsp.org wiki in MediaWiki. MediaWiki > is, of course, the wiki used by Wikipedia. > > http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/ > > User accounts will need to be created. The old ones were not > transferred. Anonymous editing is not allowed; wiki-spam has been a > problem on phpwiki. > > Your feedback/praise/threats/screams are desired, although requests for > a different wiki engine will probably not be feasible without a detailed > plan for migration from phpwiki. Thanks! > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Dec 18 23:33:08 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:33:08 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki? In-Reply-To: <45872503.1060100@paasda.org> References: <43080f460612151147x32770bccr11f68c6bfbc6014@mail.gmail.com> <4582FD82.1050404@maltzen.net> <4583208C.9000801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45832A7F.5010608@mesd.k12.or.us> <45872503.1060100@paasda.org> Message-ID: <45872534.6080401@paasda.org> umm guess it is the 'howtoz.net' site that is down... --Huck Huck wrote: > http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/bonding.htm > > broken link... > > --Huck > > Dan Young wrote: >> OK, here's a first cut at the k12ltsp.org wiki in MediaWiki. MediaWiki >> is, of course, the wiki used by Wikipedia. >> >> http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/ >> >> User accounts will need to be created. The old ones were not >> transferred. Anonymous editing is not allowed; wiki-spam has been a >> problem on phpwiki. >> >> Your feedback/praise/threats/screams are desired, although requests for >> a different wiki engine will probably not be feasible without a detailed >> plan for migration from phpwiki. Thanks! >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From brcisna at eazylivin.net Mon Dec 18 23:31:55 2006 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:31:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] serial port not found on client Message-ID: <52164.192.168.254.3.1166484715.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello All, On a client Im trying to get a serial port to work on so I can try out my ancient Fuji mx-1200 camera on ,which is one of the last serial connected cameras(before USB), when the client boots at the point were it should initialize the serial port,right after USb lines, I see "Loading serport", then next line says" FATAL: Module serial not found". Does this mean K12LTSP is not finding the physical serial port on the client, or the module itself is not found in the /ltsp tree? I do see the serport module in the lib/driver/input directory. In my lts.conf file i have added to the client MODULE_01 = "serport" Is this right for K12LTSP v. 5 ( kernel 2.6) ? Do i need more params to initialize the serial port? I havent tried to use the parport_serial module. Is this worth a shot? I know old serial port stuff is about a has been but thought i could get this camera to work on a client box. It does work fine on the server using DigiKam as the connection/driver. I have on this Neoware Eon 5000 client the serials set to "auto"in the bios. I've tried manually assigning io,etc,in the bios ,as well with no difference. Ive also tried ser2net but no joy either. I do have a USB reader for the card( that was a mail in rebate thing when i bought the camera way back when), in this camera but I cant even find it:(.. Thanks Barry Cisna From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Dec 19 05:04:20 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:04:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] cups AllowGroup problem Message-ID: <9bd317560612182104q7538641cnf87faad48879b922@mail.gmail.com> Strange.....AllowUser works perfectly and AllowGroup does not. Would anyone know how to troubleshoot that? I can see in the error_log the user getting denyed, but nothing else of interest. I have a feeling that it's ldap related. cups and ltsp are on one machine, samba/ldap on another. Thanks, Peter From robark at gmail.com Tue Dec 19 05:37:16 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:37:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] In the news Message-ID: http://www.eschoolnews.com/news/showStoryts.cfm?ArticleID=6739 (Within five years, Hirsch predicts, not a single desktop in this 52,000-student school system in metropolitan Dallas will carry the image of a proprietary school software program. Gone will be the familiar Microsoft applications and desktop icons that over the years have become synonymous with document creation. In their place will be a suite of lesser-known, but equally capable alternatives--or, what Hirsch likes to call "open technologies.") -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From akisakye at ucu.ac.ug Tue Dec 19 08:04:35 2006 From: akisakye at ucu.ac.ug (Kisakye Alex) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:04:35 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Image creation software Message-ID: <012b01c72344$55a56740$cec8a8c0@sword> Good People, I would like to create an image of a windows system to be deployed all over my school network before school resumes. I have looked at Norton Ghost but my boss says that the current budget can't support that! Does anyone know of a free tool I could use? Thanks ALex -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Does anyone > know of a free tool I could use? > > Thanks > ALex > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Tue Dec 19 08:50:22 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:50:22 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Image creation software In-Reply-To: References: <012b01c72344$55a56740$cec8a8c0@sword> Message-ID: Actually udpcast what the useful thing. That thread is below. http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-February/msg01140.html On 19/12/06, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > Follow this thread. I used these ideas and it worked well. > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-February/msg01121.html > > On 19/12/06, Kisakye Alex wrote: > > > Good People, > > > > I would like to create an image of a windows system to be deployed all > > over my school network before school resumes. I have looked at Norton Ghost > > but my boss says that the current budget can't support that! Does anyone > > know of a free tool I could use? > > > > Thanks > > ALex > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klaus at skolelinux.no Tue Dec 19 09:16:48 2006 From: klaus at skolelinux.no (Klaus Ade Johnstad) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:16:48 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] cups AllowGroup problem In-Reply-To: <9bd317560612182104q7538641cnf87faad48879b922@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560612182104q7538641cnf87faad48879b922@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200612191016.51136.klaus@skolelinux.no> Tirsdag 19 desember 2006 06:04, skrev Peter Hartmann: > Strange.....AllowUser works perfectly and AllowGroup does not. ?Would > anyone know how to troubleshoot that? ?I can see in the error_log the > user getting denyed, but nothing else of interest. ? I have a feeling > that it's ldap related. ?cups and ltsp are on one machine, samba/ldap > on another. > > Thanks, > Peter I'm not sure if there is such a thing as ?AllowGroup?. Atleast on Debian Sarge when I want to allow a certain group to print or not, I use @ to prefix the groupname, like this: AllowUser @students AllowUser johnny BTW I also use ldap, so that isn't a problem. Klaus Ade -- 67E61D18B2C44F8A3DA35C6D849F9F5F 26FA477D -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Dec 19 09:28:43 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 04:28:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop big square In-Reply-To: <45870959.5010509@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <45870959.5010509@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <47409.10.10.5.3.1166520523.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> On Mon, December 18, 2006 4:34 pm, Eric Harrison wrote: > I received an internal question today about the exact same problem on > the exact same configuration. (k12ltsp 5.0/hp t5215) > > I built an updated rdesktop version 1.5 package, but that didn't seem to > fix the problem. I have not had the chance to do more than that. Thanks Eric. If it helps at all, it really looks like a video driver/chipset issue. I say that, because there's also a really weird video artifact about 1.5" down on the left hand side of the screen. It's a dashed line that extends about an inch into the display. I actually thought it was a bad LCD the first time I saw it, but I've seen it on CRTs as well. The artifact doesn't always appear, but sometimes it's even there during the bootup process, so perhaps it's actually a flaw in the chipset. (I've seen it on several different machines, all the t5215) The big square is definitely more annoying, but I thought I'd mention the artifact as well. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From meelis at nlib.ee Tue Dec 19 09:58:53 2006 From: meelis at nlib.ee (Meelis Mihhailov) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:58:53 +0200 Subject: SOLVED !!! [K12OSN] PostSession script, rm command and user directories References: <018501c72037$a124ebb0$c60e10ac@melka><694F1444-9A80-4376-90DC-A5022D93723A@breun.nl><01dd01c72043$3b589ff0$c60e10ac@melka><4582C09E.8030509@maltzen.net><0d7f01c72062$21ef6750$0301a8c0@lammas><4582C722.2010503@maltzen.net><0dcf01c72067$3e3faff0$0301a8c0@lammas><001201c720fe$1543dee0$c60e10ac@melka><774593a20612160248g4d64ede8ufde1224ebcf2b69d@mail.gmail.com><003801c72100$ef70c450$c60e10ac@melka><774593a20612160322s5ed8af6bw474e867bf839ce78@mail.gmail.com><005501c72105$eb95e1d0$c60e10ac@melka><005e01c72110$22cde260$c60e10ac@melka> <006701c72115$18eec700$c60e10ac@melka><4586EBD0.9070804@maltzen.net> <012f01c722e4$c14f8350$0301a8c0@lammas> Message-ID: <00f201c72354$4a57c6c0$c60e10ac@melka> Hi all ! Solved the issue. The problem was caused by purge_user script with parameter SANE. If it was given then apparently some processes were still up and therefore it needed "some time" So in /etc/sysconfig/K12LTSP file that is purge_user $CONFIG file I need to change PURGE_PROCESSES to YES and leave PostSession purge_process parameter to SANE. Wolaa ... problem solved. Thank you all :) Meelis --- meelis at nlib.ee From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Dec 19 10:05:54 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 05:05:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop big square In-Reply-To: <47409.10.10.5.3.1166520523.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <45870959.5010509@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <47409.10.10.5.3.1166520523.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <46682.10.10.5.3.1166522754.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> On Tue, December 19, 2006 4:28 am, Shawn Powers wrote: > Thanks Eric. If it helps at all, it really looks like a video > driver/chipset issue. I say that, because there's also a really weird video artifact about 1.5" down on the left hand side of the screen. It's > a dashed line that extends about an inch into the display. I actually thought it was a bad LCD the first time I saw it, but I've seen it on CRTs > as well. I played around a bit, and got the square to go away if I use the vesa driver for the client. The vesa driver actually works better than I've ever seen it work... No acceleration of course, but I don't know if there was acceleration with the non-vesa driver anyway. (It's not really an issue for me now, this is just office work, etc) Something else I've found, that may or may not be related, is that the client won't seem to honor any frequency settings in X_MODE_0. It will honor the resolution, but regardless of what I put in there, I'm stuck at 60hz. I use an LCD in my office, so I never really noticed it before, but this morning I'm at a CRT, and feel like I've been staring at a fluorescent lightbulb for the past hour... :) Anyway, the vesa driver does fix the big square cursor in rdesktop, to it's at least a temporary fix. I may get this secretary an LCD today... ;o) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From petre at maltzen.net Tue Dec 19 13:14:45 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 07:14:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki? In-Reply-To: <45872534.6080401@paasda.org> References: <43080f460612151147x32770bccr11f68c6bfbc6014@mail.gmail.com> <4582FD82.1050404@maltzen.net> <4583208C.9000801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <45832A7F.5010608@mesd.k12.or.us> <45872503.1060100@paasda.org> <45872534.6080401@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4587E5C5.80900@maltzen.net> Yes, 'da Geekz' web pages have been missing for some time, and I haven't seen any messages from him for quite a while, so I assume he has moved on to other things. This is why I prefer that people post actual documents to the wiki, and not just links to their own pages; even an ugly copy of a page from one's personal collection of how-to's pasted into the wiki is better because the info won't be lost if one's website goes away. With that said, the Wayback Machine at the internet archive has most of the info from da Geekz' pages, available at http://web.archive.org/web/20060112093121/http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/ I think the info in them is still useful if somewhat dated. I suggest that the whole 'DaGeekz HOWTOz Site' be moved from the front page (where it shouldn't have been in the first place) to, say, the software section, with an explanation that the original pages are gone but are available via the Internet Archive and provide a link. I'll even do the work if MediaWiki is ready for us to start modifying pages. Petre Huck wrote: > umm guess it is the 'howtoz.net' site that is down... > > --Huck > > Huck wrote: >> http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/bonding.htm >> >> broken link... >> >> --Huck >> >> Dan Young wrote: >>> OK, here's a first cut at the k12ltsp.org wiki in MediaWiki. MediaWiki >>> is, of course, the wiki used by Wikipedia. >>> >>> http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/ >>> >>> User accounts will need to be created. The old ones were not >>> transferred. Anonymous editing is not allowed; wiki-spam has been a >>> problem on phpwiki. >>> >>> Your feedback/praise/threats/screams are desired, although requests for >>> a different wiki engine will probably not be feasible without a detailed >>> plan for migration from phpwiki. Thanks! >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Dec 19 13:28:04 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 07:28:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Image creation software Message-ID: <45246.172.28.8.55.1166534884.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hi Kisakye, Ive used g4l which works very well for any OS. It will detect any nic i've ever used( providing its PCI). The other suggestions posted here looks like they would be more "automated" than g4l. g4l is simply a cd bootable cd that saves/restores stored .img images. it has disk partinioning/info utilities built into it as well for preparing your HD for the image if need be. Hope this helps. Barry Cisna From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Tue Dec 19 13:33:18 2006 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (James P Schwankl) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 08:33:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Image creation software In-Reply-To: 20061219084554.87E85730CC@hormel.redhat.com Message-ID: <20061219133318.801d4bc8@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> Alex wrote: > Good People, > > I would like to create an image of a windows system to be deployed all over my school network > before school resumes. I have looked at Norton Ghost but my boss says that the current budget > can't support that! Does anyone know of a free tool I could use? > > Thanks > ALex The two that I've used with success are udpcast and g4u (ghost4unix) http://udpcast.linux.lu/ http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ I find it easier to use udpcast when I want to copy a master machine to others via the network right then and there, although it's definitely possible to tell one of the receiver machines to take what it receives and write it to an image file rather than the hard disk. g4u has more of the expectation that you might want to be sending your data stream to an image file on a server, but it has other options as well. Good luck. Peace, Jimmy +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ****This Message was sent through the Chatham County Schools E-Mail Server**** All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. From steven at simplycircus.com Tue Dec 19 13:59:47 2006 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 08:59:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki? In-Reply-To: <4587E5C5.80900@maltzen.net> Message-ID: > ...so I assume he has moved on to other things. This is why I > prefer that people post actual documents to the wiki... I wrote to Gavin to ask permission to put them in the wiki. I will let you know what happens. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: PO BOX 620753 Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 781-799-4938 eFax: 309-214-0899 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com From toddobryan at mac.com Tue Dec 19 14:20:56 2006 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 09:20:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Image creation software In-Reply-To: <012b01c72344$55a56740$cec8a8c0@sword> References: <012b01c72344$55a56740$cec8a8c0@sword> Message-ID: <23045DD7-376C-49D2-8B1C-AC540A22D316@mac.com> http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l g4l = Ghost for Linux Todd On Dec 19, 2006, at 3:04 AM, Kisakye Alex wrote: > Good People, > > I would like to create an image of a windows system to be deployed > all over my school network before school resumes. I have looked at > Norton Ghost but my boss says that the current budget can't support > that! Does anyone know of a free tool I could use? > > Thanks > ALex > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From timothy.hart at gmail.com Tue Dec 19 14:52:25 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 09:52:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Keyboard Multiple Taps Message-ID: <464c38cc0612190652nb72b9ecobcd8c375a9b96a69@mail.gmail.com> I have a couple of thin clients that type a key multiple times for each tap on the keyboard. As you can imagine this makes it a little hard to logon. :-) Different keyboards don't seem to matter. Tried USB and PS2. This issue also seems to happen only to HPs and Compaqs. Something LTSP is guessing wrong about these junker clients? I found this thread from 2002 on the list ( http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2002-December/msg00263.html) but it didn't really help me much. Anyone have an idea? Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From melliott at rpmhd.org Tue Dec 19 16:37:02 2006 From: melliott at rpmhd.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:37:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Not Working Correctly On LTSP 5 [SOLVED] Message-ID: <4588152E.8020801@rpmhd.org> Eric, That worked. Thank you very much. I must have missed it in the documentation searches. Thanks again! Mike Michael Elliott wrote: > Hello and thanks for taking the time to read my note. > > I am having trouble getting dhcp to use my dhcpd.conf and/or lts.conf file. > What I am seeing is that when a terminal boots it is assigned > 192.168.0.252, the I setup dhcpd.conf to assign the mac of this machine > 192.168.0.131 - I use these static addresses to print. > > I hosed my installation of K12LTSP 4 last week and I decided to go ahead > and install version 5. I pulled my lts.conf and dhcp.conf files from my > hosed install prior to formatting the install. > > One thing that I keep seeing is in the dchp.conf file a reference to > /etc/init.d/dchp to be sure and set run_dhcpd=1. I didn't know where I > should place this in the file. > > I hope this is not inappropriate but I will paste the contents of my > files below: I would appreciate any advice you guys might be able to > offer me. > FYI: This is a fresh install with two network cards In K12LTSP 5.0+, there is a conflict between Fedora's /etc/dhcpd.conf and K12LTSP's. K12LTSP now defaults to using /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf Try saving your file to /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf -Eric > /etc/dhcpd.conf > > # Sample configuration file for ISCD dhcpd > # > # Don't forget to set run_dhcpd=1 in /etc/init.d/dhcpd > # once you adjusted this file and copied it to /etc/dhcpd.conf. > # > > default-lease-time 21600; > max-lease-time 21600; > ddns-update-style none; > allow booting; > allow bootp; > > option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; > option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255; > option routers 192.168.0.208; > option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.208; > next-server 192.168.0.208; > option domain-name "ltsp"; > option root-path "192.168.0.208:/opt/ltsp/i386"; > option option-128 code 128 = string; > option option-129 code 129 = text; > option option-221 code 221 = text; > > shared-network WORKSTATIONS { > subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { > range dynamic-bootp 192.168.0.100 192.168.0.253; > use-host-decl-names on; > option log-servers 192.168.0.208; > > # trick from Peter Rundle > # newer Macs > if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "AAPLBSDPC" > { > filename "yaboot"; > option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; > } > # really old iMacs > elsif substring (option option-221, 0, 5) = "Apple" > { > filename "yaboot"; > option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; > } > # Intel PXE > elsif substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" > { > # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ > filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; > } > # default to an i386 BOOTP image > else > { > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > } > > if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 20, 3) = "ppc" { > option root-path "192.168.0.208:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; > } else { > option root-path "192.168.0.208:/opt/ltsp/i386"; > } > } > } > > # example configurations for specifying specific kernels to specific > clients > group { > use-host-decl-names on; > option log-servers 192.168.0.208; > > > host ws103 { > hardware ethernet 00:01:03:de:4f:47; > fixed-address 192.168.0.103; > } > host ws111 { > hardware ethernet 00:60:08:c4:01:a7; > fixed-address 192.168.0.111; > } > > > host ws112 { > hardware ethernet 00:10:4B:73:38:22; > fixed-address 192.168.0.112; > } > > host ws113 { > hardware ethernet 00:10:4B:73:38:FD; > fixed-address 192.168.0.113; > } > > host ws116 { > hardware ethernet 00:10:4B:73:B3:E7; > fixed-address 192.168.0.116; > } > > host ws131 { > hardware ethernet 00:80:AD:46:66:AB; > fixed-address 192.168.0.131; > } > > host ws135 { > hardware ethernet 00:01:03:DE:50:A0; > fixed-address 192.168.0.135; > } > > host ws136 { > hardware ethernet 00:48:54:88:c2:bd; > fixed-address 192.168.0.136; > } > } > > ---------------------------- > > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > > > # > # Copyright (c) 2002 by James A. McQuillan (McQuillan Systems, LLC) > # > # This software is licensed under the Gnu General Public License. > # The full text of which can be found at http://www.LTSP.org/license.txt > # > # > # Config file for the Linux Terminal Server Project (www.ltsp.org) > # > > [Default] > # IP address of the LTSP server > SERVER = 192.168.0.208 > > # LTSP 4.2 now defaults to restricting the video driver to 90% > # of the total memory available on the terminal. Setting this > # somewhere between 90 and 100 may help terminals with a marginal > # mount of memory, but it is probably a better idea to set > # USE_NBD_SWAP=Y for such terminals (see examples below) > XRAMPERC = 90 > > # Video drivers for the terminals > XSERVER = "auto" > # XFree 4 drivers: ati cirrus cyrix fbdev i128 i740 i810 mga > # neomagic nv r128 radeon rendition s3 s3virge savage > # siliconmotion sis tdfx tga trident tseng vesa vga via > > X4_MODULE_01 = glx > # add the GLX module by default, blender and the like need it > > > ## Uncomment the following line to enable remote monitoring/control of > ## terminals, especially if you use fl_teachertool: > # X4_MODULE_02 = vnc > > # Mice drivers for the terminals > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "auto" > X_USBMOUSE_PROTOCOL = "auto" > # Mouse protocols: ExplorerPS/2 GlidePoint GlidePointPS/2 > # IMPS/2 IntelliMouse Microsoft MouseManPlusPS/2 > # NetMousePS/2 NetScrollPS/2 PS/2 ThinkingMouse > # ThinkingMousePS/2 usb > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" > X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 > X_USBMOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > X_USBMOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > USBEMULATE_3_BUTTONS = "off" > > # Keyboards > XkbSymbols = "us(pc101)" > XkbModel = "pc101" > XkbLayout = "us" > # Example of setting a different (German) keyboard mapping, > # XkbLayout = "de" > # also see: > # http://www.xfree86.org/current/XKB-Config2.html > # http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-3.0-4-en.html#AEN1213 > # /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86.lst > # (/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/) > # (/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/keymap/xfree86) > > USE_XFS = N > LOCAL_APPS = N > SCREEN_01 = startx > #SCREEN_02 = shell > #SCREEN_03 = telnet > # TELNET_HOST = 192.168.0.208 > #SCREEN_04 = rdesktop > # RDP_SERVER = your.2k.server > # RDP_OPTIONS = -F -u fred -d ltsp > > # local storage device (USB keys, cdrom, etc) > LOCAL_STORAGE = Y > LTSPFSD_OPTIONS="" > > # uncomment the following line to enable SNMP support > #SNMPD = Y > > # enable sound by default > SOUND = Y > # choose either esd or nasd to be the default (esd only on x86_64) > SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" > # SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" > > # default sound volume > VOLUME = 75 > > ### For ISA sound cards, you have to specify the module to use: > # SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" > > > #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > # Below are sample mode lines for a variety of vertical refresh rates and > # resolutions. They are used to define the default client screen > resolution. > # Some lines may not work with a given monitor and video chipset. > # To avoid damaging a monitor and video card, only specify mode lines that > # your client's hardware can support. > # Uncomment only *one* of the following X_MODE_0 lines at a time, or add > one > # of your own. > > # 60 Hz Resolutions > # X_MODE_0 = 640x480 25.175 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 > -hsync -vsync > # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 > +hsync +vsync > # X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 65 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 > -hsync -vsync > > # 70 Hz Resolutions (Use instead of 72 Hz for 1024x768) > # X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 75 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 > -hsync -vsync > > # 72 Hz Resolutions > # X_MODE_0 = 640x480 31.5 640 664 704 832 480 489 492 520 > -hsync -vsync > # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 50 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666 > +hsync +vsync > # X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 75 1024 1048 1192 1296 768 771 777 806 > -hsync -vsync > > # 75 Hz Resolutions > # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 49.5 800 816 896 1056 600 601 604 625 > +hsync +vsync > > # 85 Hz Resolutions > # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 60.75 800 864 928 1088 600 616 621 657 > -hsync -vsync > > > ##------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ## > ## The sections below are for specific terminals. You can define the > ## settings for an individual terminal in three ways: > ## > ## 1. MAC address > ## 2. Hostname > ## 3. IP address > ## > ## Using IP address or hostname usually means editing /etc/dhcpd.conf > ## for each terminal in addtion to adding the entry below. As such, > ## it is generally a good idea to use the terminal's MAC address. > ## > ##------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ## > ## Examples of specifying X settings for a workstation > ## > #[08:00:46:43:42:91] > # XSERVER = auto > # LOCAL_APPS = N > # USE_NBD_SWAP = N > # SWAPFILE_SIZE = 48m > # > #[ws002] > # XSERVER = XF86_S3 > # LOCAL_APPS = N > # USE_NBD_SWAP = N > # SWAPFILE_SIZE = 64m > # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 > # > #[192.168.0.12] > # XSERVER = ati > # > # ws004 is my virtual workstation running in a VMware session > # > #[ws004] > # DNS_SERVER = 192.168.0.208 > # XSERVER = auto > # X4_BUSID = "PCI:0:15:0" > # X_MODE_0 = 800x600 > # LOCAL_APPS = N > # USE_NBD_SWAP = N > # SWAPFILE_SIZE = 64m > > #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > # > # Example of a workstation configured to load some modules > # > #[ws001] > # MODULE_01 = agpgart.o # This is for i810 video > # MODULE_02 = uart401.o > # MODULE_03 = "sb.o io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" > # MODULE_04 = opl3.o > > #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > # > # Example of ws001 configured for local apps > # > #[ws001] > # LOCAL_APPS = Y > # LOCAL_WM = Y > # NIS_DOMAIN = ltsp > # NIS_SERVER = 192.168.0.208 > > #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > # > # Example of a parallel printer attached to /dev/lp0 on workstation ws001 > # > #[ws001] > # PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 > # PRINTER_0_TYPE = P # P-Parallel, S-Serial > > #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > # > # Example of a serial printer attached to /dev/ttyS1 on workstation ws001 > # > #[ws001] > # PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/ttyS1 > # PRINTER_0_TYPE = S # P-Parallel, S-Serial > # PRINTER_0_PORT = 9100 # tcp/ip port: defaults to 9100 > # PRINTER_0_SPEED = 9600 # baud rate: defaults to 9600 > # PRINTER_0_FLOWCTRL = S # Flow control: S-Software > (XON/XOFF), > # # H-Hardware (CTS/RTS) > # PRINTER_0_PARITY = N # Parity: N-None, E-Even, O-Odd > # # (defaults to 'N') > # PRINTER_0_DATABITS = 8 # Databits: 5,6,7,8 (defaults > to 8) > > > # MDE Creation of C-103 > [ws103] > PRINTER_0_DEVICE =/dev/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = P > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE ="/dev/ttyS0" > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 > +hsync +vsync > > # MDE Creation of C-111 > [ws111] > PRINTER_0_DEVICE =/dev/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = P > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 > +hsync +vsync > # SOUND = Y > # VOLUME = 75 > # SMODULE_01 = sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 > > # MDE Creation of C-112 > [ws112] > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = P > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 > +hsync +vsync > > # MDE Creation of C-113 > [ws113] > # X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" > # X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS1" > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 > +hsync +vsync > > > # MDE Creation of C-116 > [ws116] > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = P > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 > +hsync +vsync > # SOUND = Y > # VOLUME = 75 > # SMODULE_01 = cmpci > > > # MDE Creation of C-131 > [ws131] > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = P > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 > +hsync +vsync > > > # MDE Creation of C-135 > [ws135] > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = P > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 > +hsync +vsync > > # MDE Creation of C-136 > [ws136] > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = P > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 > +hsync +vsync > > > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Dec 19 17:41:39 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 09:41:39 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Keyboard Multiple Taps In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0612190652nb72b9ecobcd8c375a9b96a69@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0612190652nb72b9ecobcd8c375a9b96a69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45882453.9040107@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Timothy Hart wrote: > I have a couple of thin clients that type a key multiple times for each tap > on the keyboard. As you can imagine this makes it a little hard to logon. > :-) Different keyboards don't seem to matter. Tried USB and PS2. This issue > also seems to happen only to HPs and Compaqs. Something LTSP is guessing > wrong about these junker clients? > > I found this thread from 2002 on the list ( > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2002-December/msg00263.html) but it > didn't really help me much. > > Anyone have an idea? > > Tim Does adjusting the keyboard preferences help? System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -Eric From robark at gmail.com Tue Dec 19 19:14:49 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:14:49 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Advocacy in Curriculum Message-ID: I encourage teachers to add Linux command line skills to their IT course curriculum's. Look what this latest IT Job Market research indicates. http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/career/article.php/3649436 "All this migration to Linux and open source means that job openings are zooming. Based on Dice statistics, Linux as a recommended skill is up 51% this year, and roughly 150% in the last two years." -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From shane.sammons at gmail.com Tue Dec 19 20:19:23 2006 From: shane.sammons at gmail.com (Shane Sammons) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:19:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Image creation software In-Reply-To: <23045DD7-376C-49D2-8B1C-AC540A22D316@mac.com> References: <012b01c72344$55a56740$cec8a8c0@sword> <23045DD7-376C-49D2-8B1C-AC540A22D316@mac.com> Message-ID: <3610bbec0612191219u31e7dc9ck5dad4cf5645dfdd8@mail.gmail.com> I personally have used G4U which worked well, but was slow and then I had issues with the version I had used and USB keyboards on the new systems. We too could not afford Ghost. I liked Acronis True Image Workstation, and used its trial to do a few summer images. I am hopeful to find another freeware app or look back at G4U after I get time to see if new releases work. On 12/19/06, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l > > g4l = Ghost for Linux > > Todd > > On Dec 19, 2006, at 3:04 AM, Kisakye Alex wrote: > > > Good People, > > > > I would like to create an image of a windows system to be deployed > > all over my school network before school resumes. I have looked at > > Norton Ghost but my boss says that the current budget can't support > > that! Does anyone know of a free tool I could use? > > > > Thanks > > ALex > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Dec 20 02:59:23 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:59:23 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap script... Message-ID: <4588A70B.1030304@paasda.org> I just installed on the K12LTSP 6.0 server I'm working on over the holidays... btw Erik, your fixes all worked like a charm with a 'yum update' and running that one mixer script. THANKS! back to smb ldap... after using the IDEALX script and creating a test user as per the instructions...I was unable to login on the thin client side of the network using said user. and when attempting to join the machine I had created using ./smbldap-useradd -w (I'm going from memory here...the -w flag might be different) to the domain, I am getting the 'no user exists'.... I've tried with Administrator(as per the instructions), root, my login, and no luck. Curious if this is just me, I have 'user' security enforcement in the smb.conf file... --Huck From brcisna at eazylivin.net Wed Dec 20 03:24:37 2006 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:24:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] serial port issue revisited Message-ID: <47173.192.168.254.3.1166585077.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello All, I'm still wrangling with how I can get a serial port initialized on one client box. I've tried "MODULE_01 = "serport" on the lts.conf file for this particular client. When booting up the client,I do see "loading serport module", after the USB lines. If i add also in the lts.conf file the following: PRINTER_O1_TYPE = S PRINTER_01_DEVICE = /dev/ttyS0 After i add these 2 more lines and reboot the client, i then see the "Loading serport module".( like before),then next line shows "FATAL: no serial found". This has me puzzled? ( I get puzzled easily:)... I'm just trying to make this work for an old Fuji digcam,,that is serial connected. I also tried to "kermit -l /dev/ttyS0" on this client and of course i get "no ttyS0 found" from kermit. Anyone have any ideas on troubleshooting this? I tried ser2net as well but I dont think im actually getting the serial port initialized at bootup correctly. I used two different client boxes to try and make this work. Do i need to add an "RCFILE_01 = something" to the lts.conf for this maybe? K12LTSP v, 5 Thanks, Barry Cisna From karisue at gmail.com Wed Dec 20 05:07:23 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 23:07:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Advocacy in Curriculum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow. At what age/grade should we start them on command line, in your (anyone's) opinion? ~kari On 12/19/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > I encourage teachers to add Linux command line skills to their IT > course curriculum's. Look what this latest IT Job Market research > indicates. > > http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/career/article.php/3649436 > "All this migration to Linux and open source means that job openings > are zooming. Based on Dice statistics, Linux as a recommended skill is > up 51% this year, and roughly 150% in the last two years." > > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- *-*-*-*-*-* blog.karimatthews.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz Wed Dec 20 05:26:53 2006 From: pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz (Paul Satherley) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:26:53 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Image creation software In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0612191219u31e7dc9ck5dad4cf5645dfdd8@mail.gmail.com> References: <012b01c72344$55a56740$cec8a8c0@sword> <23045DD7-376C-49D2-8B1C-AC540A22D316@mac.com> <3610bbec0612191219u31e7dc9ck5dad4cf5645dfdd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Iv'e used udpcast it works well also on the windows side I've had great success with r-drive from http://www.drive-image.com/ inexpensive and works a treat, I keep an image on a second partition for quick local restore Paul S. Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From robark at gmail.com Wed Dec 20 06:03:19 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 22:03:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Advocacy in Curriculum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12/19/06, Kari Matthews wrote: > Wow. > > At what age/grade should we start them on command line, in your (anyone's) > opinion? My intro Python/Linux course is offered to students starting in grade 10 and up. > > ~kari > > > > > > On 12/19/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > > I encourage teachers to add Linux command line skills to their IT > > course curriculum's. Look what this latest IT Job Market research > > indicates. > > > > > http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/career/article.php/3649436 > > "All this migration to Linux and open source means that job openings > > are zooming. Based on Dice statistics, Linux as a recommended skill is > > up 51% this year, and roughly 150% in the last two years." > > > > > > > > -- > > Robert Arkiletian > > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > > Fl_TeacherTool > http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > *-*-*-*-*-* > blog.karimatthews.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Dec 20 11:22:16 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:22:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap script... In-Reply-To: <4588A70B.1030304@paasda.org> References: <4588A70B.1030304@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4258.76.179.82.249.1166613736.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> add locala4.debug /var/log/ldap to your syslog.conf and watch the log file..should tell you whaata is wrong.. > I just installed on the K12LTSP 6.0 server I'm working on over the > holidays... > > btw Erik, your fixes all worked like a charm with a 'yum update' and > running that one mixer script. THANKS! > > back to smb ldap... > > after using the IDEALX script and creating a test user as per the > instructions...I was unable to login on the thin client side of the > network using said user. > > and when attempting to join the machine I had created using > > ./smbldap-useradd -w (I'm going from memory here...the > -w flag might be different) > > to the domain, I am getting the 'no user exists'.... > > I've tried with Administrator(as per the instructions), root, my login, > and no luck. > > Curious if this is just me, I have 'user' security enforcement in the > smb.conf file... > > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Dec 20 11:22:59 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:22:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap script... In-Reply-To: <4588A70B.1030304@paasda.org> References: <4588A70B.1030304@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4258.76.179.82.249.1166613779.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> scratcht e extra a keyboard is chalalenged> I just installed on the K12LTSP 6.0 server I'm working on over the > holidays... > > btw Erik, your fixes all worked like a charm with a 'yum update' and > running that one mixer script. THANKS! > > back to smb ldap... > > after using the IDEALX script and creating a test user as per the > instructions...I was unable to login on the thin client side of the > network using said user. > > and when attempting to join the machine I had created using > > ./smbldap-useradd -w (I'm going from memory here...the > -w flag might be different) > > to the domain, I am getting the 'no user exists'.... > > I've tried with Administrator(as per the instructions), root, my login, > and no luck. > > Curious if this is just me, I have 'user' security enforcement in the > smb.conf file... > > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From meelis at nlib.ee Wed Dec 20 12:04:47 2006 From: meelis at nlib.ee (Meelis Mihhailov) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 14:04:47 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Sabayon limitations and keyboard layout Message-ID: <004501c7242f$0b813b30$c60e10ac@melka> Hi again I'm here with my problems again and this time it's about keyboard layout settings. I'm using GNOME desktop in LTSP 5 (FC 5) and I can't set multible keyboard layout settings for clients. At the moment there is only US as default language and layout but I need Estonian, US and Russian for people to change as needed. When I try to change the settings in sabayon profile I get a message : "XKB module not active or installed" and so I can't change my keyboard type, can't add custom layout and can't use this wonderful keyboard layout utility provided by GNOME. HOWEVER I can do all that as I'm logged in as a root :( Note that user profile is set up using sabayon. Is there any solution for this ? I suspect that it has something to do with permissions but where and how ? Meelis --- meelis at nlib.ee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Asking the Tech teacher to have all students set the permissions of the files to 740 before dropping them is not exactly a workable option (she just wants the students to drag/drop the files, no right-clicky, check permissions, etc.) In fact, nothing that requires 'syntax' is considered acceptable. The comment I got was "This is trivial on a Mac, so why is it so hard on this system?" Probably because of me? Any ideas? Thanks, Dave Hopkins From caldodge at gmail.com Wed Dec 20 13:52:54 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:52:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dropbox question In-Reply-To: <122020061241.26739.45892F6300047BC40000687322165279669C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <122020061241.26739.45892F6300047BC40000687322165279669C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0612200552t37009d07ga491155befe1b0f1@mail.gmail.com> On 12/20/06, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > I found the instructions. > http://riv-mail.mesd.k12.or.us/mailarchives/k12osdig/7494.html and also > at http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-April/msg00774.html for creating a dropbox, but ... > > While it works for dropping the files to the folder, how do I ensure that the ownership of the files is set to the owner of the directory, and/or that the permissions are set so that the owner of the directory can then read the files? I don't think you can set ownership in that way. If the file-dropping user belongs to the group owner of the directory, then you can set default GROUP ownership by making the directory setgid (chmod g+s DIRECTORY). But ... I think that applies only to files which are created in the directory, not files which are copied to it. (try it to see if that's how it works for you) My simpleminded fix would be to set a cron job to run periodically (even every minute, I suppose). Something like: find DIRECTORY -type f -print0|xargs -0 --no-run-if-empty chown TEACHER or find DIRECTORY -type f -print0|xargs -0 --no-run-if-empty chmod 740 Calvin From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Dec 20 14:27:48 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 08:27:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dropbox question In-Reply-To: <122020061241.26739.45892F6300047BC40000687322165279669C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <122020061241.26739.45892F6300047BC40000687322165279669C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20061220141431.M85976@winonacotter.org> > While it works for dropping the files to the folder, how do I ensure > that the ownership of the files is set to the owner of the directory, > and/or that the permissions are set so that the owner of the > directory can then read the files? Here at our school we have a drop folder for each teacher, then one for each class period they have underneath it. So folder /home/Drop may look like this: /home/Drop/Teacher1/period1 /home/Drop/Teacher1/period3 /home/Drop/Teacher1/period4 /home/Drop/Teacher2/period2 /home/Drop/Teacher2/period5 /home/Drop/Teacher3/period6 /home/Drop/Teacher4 You get the idea. Anyhow I set /home/Drop/TeacherX readable by everyone. That way all users can navigate to any teachers folder and class. The directory /home/Drop is owned by root.staff and permissions are 755. The individual teacher folders are owned by teacherx.teacherx and permissions are 775. The actual drop folder of periodx is owned by teacherx.teacherx and permissions are 773. But you still have the problem that when a student drops in his/her homework, it is owned by the student which can affect quotas and how the teacher works with the dropped homework. So my fix (thanks to this list) was to have a script run every minute via cron that looks like this: #!/bin/bash for file in /home/Drop/* do owner=$(ls -ld \ "$file"\ |awk '{print $3}') chown -R $owner \ "$file" done What this does is basically reassign privileges based on the enclosing folders permissions. So every minute every file under the /home/Drop/TeacherX folders gets reassigned permissions to be owned by the same user that owns /home/Drop/TeacherX. It has worked great now for us for 3 years. This same script works no matter what the directory structure looks like under /home/Drop/TeacherX. We have some teachers that want 6 drop folders, and some that want users to simply drop on TeacherX. If they do not want sub folders then you just have to set permissions to /home/Drop/TeacherX to 773. Hope that helps, Jim K -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From toddobryan at mac.com Wed Dec 20 14:34:24 2006 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:34:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Advocacy in Curriculum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm getting a thin terminal lab after break and am interested in developing a curriculum that would exist in parallel with the programming classes I teach so that students learn a little bit more about Linux each year in my class. Ideally, by the third year, they'd be able to take and pass the Linux+ exam that CompTIA offers (because our state vocational ed department is just gaga over industry certifications). I'll let you know what I come with, assuming I actually manage to come up with anything, but would be very interested to see anything other people have developed. Todd P.S. I think you can teach command line stuff as soon as they can type fast enough that it's not frustrating. The key, though, is motivation. They're not going to want to use the command line to do something they can do easier with the GUI. Finding tasks that are easier with a few typed commands would be key to making it interesting for students. On Dec 20, 2006, at 1:03 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 12/19/06, Kari Matthews wrote: >> Wow. >> >> At what age/grade should we start them on command line, in your >> (anyone's) >> opinion? > > My intro Python/Linux course is offered to students starting in > grade 10 and up. > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Dec 20 15:04:31 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:04:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap script... In-Reply-To: <4588A70B.1030304@paasda.org> References: <4588A70B.1030304@paasda.org> Message-ID: smbldap_installer is based on the IDEALX script....are you using it? works very well and is easy. http://www.majen.net/smbldap It will become part of Edubuntu (in more refined form) in Feisty "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >I just installed on the K12LTSP 6.0 server I'm working on over the >holidays... > >btw Erik, your fixes all worked like a charm with a 'yum update' and >running that one mixer script. THANKS! > >back to smb ldap... > >after using the IDEALX script and creating a test user as per the >instructions...I was unable to login on the thin client side of the >network using said user. > >and when attempting to join the machine I had created using > >./smbldap-useradd -w (I'm going from memory here...the >-w flag might be different) > >to the domain, I am getting the 'no user exists'.... > >I've tried with Administrator(as per the instructions), root, my login, >and no luck. > >Curious if this is just me, I have 'user' security enforcement in the >smb.conf file... > > >--Huck > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Dec 20 15:04:31 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:04:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap script... In-Reply-To: <4588A70B.1030304@paasda.org> References: <4588A70B.1030304@paasda.org> Message-ID: smbldap_installer is based on the IDEALX script....are you using it? works very well and is easy. http://www.majen.net/smbldap It will become part of Edubuntu (in more refined form) in Feisty "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >I just installed on the K12LTSP 6.0 server I'm working on over the >holidays... > >btw Erik, your fixes all worked like a charm with a 'yum update' and >running that one mixer script. THANKS! > >back to smb ldap... > >after using the IDEALX script and creating a test user as per the >instructions...I was unable to login on the thin client side of the >network using said user. > >and when attempting to join the machine I had created using > >./smbldap-useradd -w (I'm going from memory here...the >-w flag might be different) > >to the domain, I am getting the 'no user exists'.... > >I've tried with Administrator(as per the instructions), root, my login, >and no luck. > >Curious if this is just me, I have 'user' security enforcement in the >smb.conf file... > > >--Huck > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From timothy.hart at gmail.com Wed Dec 20 15:43:37 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:43:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Keyboard Multiple Taps In-Reply-To: <45882453.9040107@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <464c38cc0612190652nb72b9ecobcd8c375a9b96a69@mail.gmail.com> <45882453.9040107@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <464c38cc0612200743n74b190a1u526097e1cdeadf2e@mail.gmail.com> No it doesn't. Isn't that a preference for each individual user? I have tried turning it all the way down as well. No luck there. It isn't the end of the world. I have just been switching to boxes out. Just curious as to what it happening here. On 12/19/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > > Timothy Hart wrote: > > I have a couple of thin clients that type a key multiple times for each > tap > > on the keyboard. As you can imagine this makes it a little hard to > logon. > > :-) Different keyboards don't seem to matter. Tried USB and PS2. This > issue > > also seems to happen only to HPs and Compaqs. Something LTSP is guessing > > wrong about these junker clients? > > > > I found this thread from 2002 on the list ( > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2002-December/msg00263.html) but > it > > didn't really help me much. > > > > Anyone have an idea? > > > > Tim > > Does adjusting the keyboard preferences help? > > System -> Preferences -> Keyboard > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Dec 20 16:12:54 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:12:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dropbox question In-Reply-To: <122020061601.27472.45895E70000E926500006B5022120207849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <122020061601.27472.45895E70000E926500006B5022120207849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20061220161015.M69326@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:01:52 +0000, dahopkins wrote > Jim, > > Thanks for the response and the script. I was kind-of suspecting > that I would need such a solution, and very grateful that you > already have it! > > sorry about the form of the response. comcast has again placed > k12osn at redhat.com on a blacklist as spam and until I can convince > them otherwise, I have to watch the listserve manually, then compose > emails to respond as needed. Aaargghh!! Glad it will help. I use Drop folders with Windows, Mac and Linux. You should be aware that there seems to be a bug with the Samba implementation on OSX that drop folders do not work. They work fine from OSX with AFP over TCP but not with SMB...wierd. I have found no solution for that. But the SMB drop folders work fine with Windows and with Linux. So unfortunately I still keep Netatalk around to allow OSX to drop. Good luck. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From akisakye at ucu.ac.ug Wed Dec 20 16:15:39 2006 From: akisakye at ucu.ac.ug (Kisakye Alex) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:15:39 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Image creation software References: <012b01c72344$55a56740$cec8a8c0@sword><23045DD7-376C-49D2-8B1C-AC540A22D316@mac.com><3610bbec0612191219u31e7dc9ck5dad4cf5645dfdd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <014a01c72452$1a0bd610$cec8a8c0@sword> Hi pple, Thanks for all the suggestions! Am looking at g4l seems promising thanks again ALex = ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Satherley" To: "Support list for open source software in schools." Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Image creation software > Iv'e used udpcast it works well also on the windows side > I've had great success with r-drive from http://www.drive-image.com/ > > inexpensive and works a treat, I keep an image on a second partition for > quick local restore > > Paul S. > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From shane.sammons at gmail.com Wed Dec 20 16:30:59 2006 From: shane.sammons at gmail.com (Shane Sammons) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:30:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Image creation software In-Reply-To: <014a01c72452$1a0bd610$cec8a8c0@sword> References: <012b01c72344$55a56740$cec8a8c0@sword> <23045DD7-376C-49D2-8B1C-AC540A22D316@mac.com> <3610bbec0612191219u31e7dc9ck5dad4cf5645dfdd8@mail.gmail.com> <014a01c72452$1a0bd610$cec8a8c0@sword> Message-ID: <3610bbec0612200830h213eca2aqc61576bd63bcef8d@mail.gmail.com> I will look into g4l myself, just wanted to ask a general question as I have a school lab to re-do over X-mas break. I would assume g4l will work with windows, as it most likely loads from a network boot or bootable media, but has anyone used it for such? Also how many people have systems with SATA drives and USB only keyboards and are able to use things like G4L and G4U? Thanks! On 12/20/06, Kisakye Alex wrote: > > Hi pple, > Thanks for all the suggestions! > Am looking at g4l seems promising > > thanks again > > ALex > = > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Satherley" > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 8:26 AM > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Image creation software > > > > Iv'e used udpcast it works well also on the windows side > > I've had great success with r-drive from http://www.drive-image.com/ > > > > inexpensive and works a treat, I keep an image on a second partition for > > quick local restore > > > > Paul S. > > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Dec 20 16:44:57 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:44:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Image creation software In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0612200830h213eca2aqc61576bd63bcef8d@mail.gmail.com> References: <012b01c72344$55a56740$cec8a8c0@sword> <23045DD7-376C-49D2-8B1C-AC540A22D316@mac.com> <3610bbec0612191219u31e7dc9ck5dad4cf5645dfdd8@mail.gmail.com> <014a01c72452$1a0bd610$cec8a8c0@sword> <3610bbec0612200830h213eca2aqc61576bd63bcef8d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've only used G4U (g4l didn't work right for me, and it was much less mature). It will clone anything, but I must admit I've never used SATA, so I'm not sure how it handles anything but IDE. I've even cloned old Mac OS8 machines with G4U, I just take out the drives and put them in a junker P133. Same goes for USB only machines, I just pluck out the drives and use that old pentium for cloning. (It's a pain in the butt for the old tray load iMacs, as those drives are HORRIBLE to get out, but it still works in a pinch) -Shawn On Dec 20, 2006, at 11:30 AM, Shane Sammons wrote: > I will look into g4l myself, just wanted to ask a general question > as I have a school lab to re-do over X-mas break. I would assume > g4l will work with windows, as it most likely loads from a network > boot or bootable media, but has anyone used it for such? > > Also how many people have systems with SATA drives and USB only > keyboards and are able to use things like G4L and G4U? -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shane.sammons at gmail.com Wed Dec 20 16:51:07 2006 From: shane.sammons at gmail.com (Shane Sammons) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:51:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Advocacy in Curriculum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3610bbec0612200851i286d2f32sc6bd403fa1779986@mail.gmail.com> I am probably one of the younger ones in the list, I am 25. I personally agree with Todd. You can teach at any age they can type comfortably. However, like he said best to have a reward/purpose they can see. I myself am a very hands on visual learner. For me this field and profession is only fun because I can "see" my results. I despise using the command line because it does not suit my personality/style but I use it regardless because of the power it holds. If all I had was the command line or script interface I would likely go nuts. It took me years of coding in HTML, Perl, PHP, Visual Basic, etc. to just get past the code and realize the goal I was trying to achieve. It was only once I got to see a website, GUI interface or results in the GUI I felt excited. I know this is common, but I have met people who get a thrill writing perl scripts and such that simply swap Apache installations or something totally unseen from visual perspective only known if you investigate the system. I think most kids are like me with attention spans, they need to see fruit of their labor. Then you pick your top kids make a club, and have them dive in deeper and become the next series of IT people to come into the world :D. On 12/20/06, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > > I'm getting a thin terminal lab after break and am interested in > developing a curriculum that would exist in parallel with the > programming classes I teach so that students learn a little bit more > about Linux each year in my class. Ideally, by the third year, they'd > be able to take and pass the Linux+ exam that CompTIA offers (because > our state vocational ed department is just gaga over industry > certifications). > > I'll let you know what I come with, assuming I actually manage to > come up with anything, but would be very interested to see anything > other people have developed. > > Todd > > P.S. I think you can teach command line stuff as soon as they can > type fast enough that it's not frustrating. The key, though, is > motivation. They're not going to want to use the command line to do > something they can do easier with the GUI. Finding tasks that are > easier with a few typed commands would be key to making it > interesting for students. > > On Dec 20, 2006, at 1:03 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > On 12/19/06, Kari Matthews wrote: > >> Wow. > >> > >> At what age/grade should we start them on command line, in your > >> (anyone's) > >> opinion? > > > > My intro Python/Linux course is offered to students starting in > > grade 10 and up. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shane.sammons at gmail.com Wed Dec 20 16:57:09 2006 From: shane.sammons at gmail.com (Shane Sammons) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:57:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Image creation software In-Reply-To: References: <012b01c72344$55a56740$cec8a8c0@sword> <23045DD7-376C-49D2-8B1C-AC540A22D316@mac.com> <3610bbec0612191219u31e7dc9ck5dad4cf5645dfdd8@mail.gmail.com> <014a01c72452$1a0bd610$cec8a8c0@sword> <3610bbec0612200830h213eca2aqc61576bd63bcef8d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3610bbec0612200857u5487cbf1hb468993a99167c05@mail.gmail.com> yeah I used G4U and its (I beleive) TFTP ability on a bunch of old 233 and up systems and I loved it (but it was very slow...which tends to happen with 30 systems all connecting to 1 10/100 NIC in a P3 700 server :P). I found that Acronis which I like and sounds just as similar to that for mentioned r-drive. Prior to all that I would use Symatec Ghost and pop drives in and out or spanned an image across CDs. Since we are going to stop with floppies, and I hate doing drives 1 by 1, I have been wanted to find a good "free" network based system. So I will have to try that G4L and if that doesn't work perhaps I can get our Tech. Coordinator to purchase something OR better yet donate to like a G4L or G4U to allow development to go further. Thanks all! On 12/20/06, Shawn Powers wrote: > > I've only used G4U (g4l didn't work right for me, and it was much less > mature). > It will clone anything, but I must admit I've never used SATA, so I'm not > sure how it handles anything but IDE. > > I've even cloned old Mac OS8 machines with G4U, I just take out the drives > and put them in a junker P133. Same goes for USB only machines, I just > pluck out the drives and use that old pentium for cloning. (It's a pain in > the butt for the old tray load iMacs, as those drives are HORRIBLE to get > out, but it still works in a pinch) > > -Shawn > > On Dec 20, 2006, at 11:30 AM, Shane Sammons wrote: > > I will look into g4l myself, just wanted to ask a general question as I > have a school lab to re-do over X-mas break. I would assume g4l will work > with windows, as it most likely loads from a network boot or bootable media, > but has anyone used it for such? > > Also how many people have systems with SATA drives and USB only keyboards > and are able to use things like G4L and G4U? > > > > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From accessys at smart.net Wed Dec 20 18:51:28 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Accessys@smart.net) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:51:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Advocacy in Curriculum In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0612200851i286d2f32sc6bd403fa1779986@mail.gmail.com> References: <3610bbec0612200851i286d2f32sc6bd403fa1779986@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: a little personal advocacy, give the students a choice of keyboards and make it known.. have at least both Qwerty and Dvorak loaded and ready to go. Bob On Wed, 20 Dec 2006, Shane Sammons wrote: > Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:51:07 -0500 > From: Shane Sammons > Reply-To: Support list for open source software in schools. > > To: Support list for open source software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Advocacy in Curriculum > > I am probably one of the younger ones in the list, I am 25. I personally > agree with Todd. You can teach at any age they can type comfortably. > However, like he said best to have a reward/purpose they can see. I myself > am a very hands on visual learner. For me this field and profession is only > fun because I can "see" my results. I despise using the command line because > it does not suit my personality/style but I use it regardless because of the > power it holds. If all I had was the command line or script interface I > would likely go nuts. > > It took me years of coding in HTML, Perl, PHP, Visual Basic, etc. to just > get past the code and realize the goal I was trying to achieve. It was only > once I got to see a website, GUI interface or results in the GUI I felt > excited. I know this is common, but I have met people who get a thrill > writing perl scripts and such that simply swap Apache installations or > something totally unseen from visual perspective only known if you > investigate the system. I think most kids are like me with attention spans, > they need to see fruit of their labor. > > Then you pick your top kids make a club, and have them dive in deeper and > become the next series of IT people to come into the world :D. > > On 12/20/06, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > > > > I'm getting a thin terminal lab after break and am interested in > > developing a curriculum that would exist in parallel with the > > programming classes I teach so that students learn a little bit more > > about Linux each year in my class. Ideally, by the third year, they'd > > be able to take and pass the Linux+ exam that CompTIA offers (because > > our state vocational ed department is just gaga over industry > > certifications). > > > > I'll let you know what I come with, assuming I actually manage to > > come up with anything, but would be very interested to see anything > > other people have developed. > > > > Todd > > > > P.S. I think you can teach command line stuff as soon as they can > > type fast enough that it's not frustrating. The key, though, is > > motivation. They're not going to want to use the command line to do > > something they can do easier with the GUI. Finding tasks that are > > easier with a few typed commands would be key to making it > > interesting for students. > > > > On Dec 20, 2006, at 1:03 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > > > On 12/19/06, Kari Matthews wrote: > > >> Wow. > > >> > > >> At what age/grade should we start them on command line, in your > > >> (anyone's) > > >> opinion? > > > > > > My intro Python/Linux course is offered to students starting in > > > grade 10 and up. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ NO RESPONSE WILL EVER BE GIVEN TO ANY MESSAGE VIA EARTHLINK +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From robark at gmail.com Wed Dec 20 18:53:28 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:53:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Advocacy in Curriculum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12/20/06, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > I'm getting a thin terminal lab after break and am interested in > developing a curriculum that would exist in parallel with the > programming classes I teach so that students learn a little bit more > about Linux each year in my class. Ideally, by the third year, they'd > be able to take and pass the Linux+ exam that CompTIA offers (because > our state vocational ed department is just gaga over industry > certifications). I just showed the Datamation article to my IT students today. After we went to dice.com and looked up some (of thousands) of the Linux sysadmin jobs and how much they pay. (~80-100k USD/annum) Then we went to Redhat's site and checked out how much the intro 4 day course costs. (~2000 USD) Their eyes almost popped out of their heads when they looked at some of the topics in the Redhat course outline: ssh, scp, man, tar, cp, mv, ls, pipes, kill, filesystems, mount, grep, find, permissions, etc... All the things we have been doing. > > I'll let you know what I come with, assuming I actually manage to > come up with anything, but would be very interested to see anything > other people have developed. There are some great Orielly and Sams Teach Yourself books on Unix. As well as online stuff like tldp.org. Anyone have other suggestions? > > Todd > > P.S. I think you can teach command line stuff as soon as they can > type fast enough that it's not frustrating. The key, though, is > motivation. They're not going to want to use the command line to do > something they can do easier with the GUI. Finding tasks that are > easier with a few typed commands would be key to making it > interesting for students. This is a common misconception. The Unix command line IS the most powerful human interface ever. Just sit beside some Linux gurus and you will see. I like to compare it to a light saber. Hard to learn but once proficient, watch out. Since I teach python programming AND linux. I make it clear that GUI programs are fine but how can you script mouse movements and clicks. You can't! But you can script anything you can do on the command line with system calls. So my students know that the stuff they are learning on the command line will enhance/extend their programming ability. Kids today are addicted to the mouse. The key is to teach them how to use the terminal and keyboard efficiently. I sometimes tell them to put their mouses on top of their computers so they are forced to use the keyboard. Soon they realize (TAB-TAB) how much faster they work. But in the beginning it's tough to break the mouse GUI habit. > > On Dec 20, 2006, at 1:03 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > On 12/19/06, Kari Matthews wrote: > >> Wow. > >> > >> At what age/grade should we start them on command line, in your > >> (anyone's) > >> opinion? > > > > My intro Python/Linux course is offered to students starting in > > grade 10 and up. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From robark at gmail.com Wed Dec 20 19:22:33 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:22:33 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Advocacy in Curriculum In-Reply-To: <3610bbec0612200851i286d2f32sc6bd403fa1779986@mail.gmail.com> References: <3610bbec0612200851i286d2f32sc6bd403fa1779986@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12/20/06, Shane Sammons wrote: > I am probably one of the younger ones in the list, I am 25. I personally > agree with Todd. You can teach at any age they can type comfortably. > However, like he said best to have a reward/purpose they can see. I myself > am a very hands on visual learner. For me this field and profession is only > fun because I can "see" my results. I despise using the command line because > it does not suit my personality/style but I use it regardless because of the > power it holds. If all I had was the command line or script interface I > would likely go nuts. > > It took me years of coding in HTML, Perl, PHP, Visual Basic, etc. to just > get past the code and realize the goal I was trying to achieve. It was only > once I got to see a website, GUI interface or results in the GUI I felt > excited. I know this is common, but I have met people who get a thrill > writing perl scripts and such that simply swap Apache installations or > something totally unseen from visual perspective only known if you > investigate the system. I think most kids are like me with attention spans, > they need to see fruit of their labor. Yes I experience the same with my students. But instead of using VB look at how easy it is to code "Hello World" GUI in pyFLTK (a python wrapper for FLTK) without using a GUI drag-and-drop builder: from fltk import * def button_callback(widget): widget.label("Hello Again") window = Fl_Window(200,90,"My First GUI Program") button = Fl_Button(9,20,180,50,"Hello") button.callback(button_callback) window.end() window.show() Fl.run() (I am sure pyGTK or pyQT are similar although they use signals/slots instead of callbacks) > > Then you pick your top kids make a club, and have them dive in deeper and > become the next series of IT people to come into the world :D. > > > On 12/20/06, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > > I'm getting a thin terminal lab after break and am interested in > > developing a curriculum that would exist in parallel with the > > programming classes I teach so that students learn a little bit more > > about Linux each year in my class. Ideally, by the third year, they'd > > be able to take and pass the Linux+ exam that CompTIA offers (because > > our state vocational ed department is just gaga over industry > > certifications). > > > > I'll let you know what I come with, assuming I actually manage to > > come up with anything, but would be very interested to see anything > > other people have developed. > > > > Todd > > > > P.S. I think you can teach command line stuff as soon as they can > > type fast enough that it's not frustrating. The key, though, is > > motivation. They're not going to want to use the command line to do > > something they can do easier with the GUI. Finding tasks that are > > easier with a few typed commands would be key to making it > > interesting for students. > > > > On Dec 20, 2006, at 1:03 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > > > On 12/19/06, Kari Matthews wrote: > > >> Wow. > > >> > > >> At what age/grade should we start them on command line, in your > > >> (anyone's) > > >> opinion? > > > > > > My intro Python/Linux course is offered to students starting in > > > grade 10 and up. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From toddobryan at mac.com Wed Dec 20 19:23:37 2006 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 14:23:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Advocacy in Curriculum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 20, 2006, at 1:53 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > There are some great Orielly and Sams Teach Yourself books on Unix. As > well as online stuff like tldp.org. Anyone have other suggestions? Unix for the Beginning Mage is cute: http://dl.cyberciti.biz/unix_for_the_beginning_mage/uftbm.pdf >> >> Todd >> >> P.S. I think you can teach command line stuff as soon as they can >> type fast enough that it's not frustrating. The key, though, is >> motivation. They're not going to want to use the command line to do >> something they can do easier with the GUI. Finding tasks that are >> easier with a few typed commands would be key to making it >> interesting for students. > > This is a common misconception. The Unix command line IS the most > powerful human interface ever. Just sit beside some Linux gurus and > you will see. I like to compare it to a light saber. Hard to learn but > once proficient, watch out. Since I teach python programming AND > linux. I make it clear that GUI programs are fine but how can you > script mouse movements and clicks. You can't! But you can script > anything you can do on the command line with system calls. So my > students know that the stuff they are learning on the command line > will enhance/extend their programming ability. > > Kids today are addicted to the mouse. The key is to teach them how to > use the terminal and keyboard efficiently. I sometimes tell them to > put their mouses on top of their computers so they are forced to use > the keyboard. Soon they realize (TAB-TAB) how much faster they work. > But in the beginning it's tough to break the mouse GUI habit. Let me clarify. I agree with you that command-line tools are much more powerful, but you have to get over the "Why do I have to do all this typing if I can just click?" mentality. Scripting is a very good way to do that, and Python's a terrific language to use. My guess is that grep, ssh, and some other powertools are a good place to start. Todd From toddobryan at mac.com Wed Dec 20 19:28:53 2006 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 14:28:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Advocacy in Curriculum In-Reply-To: References: <3610bbec0612200851i286d2f32sc6bd403fa1779986@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Dec 20, 2006, at 1:51 PM, Accessys at smart.net wrote: > a little personal advocacy, give the students a choice of > keyboards and > make it known.. have at least both Qwerty and Dvorak loaded and > ready to > go. > > Bob As a Dvorak user myself, I wish I could get our keyboarding class to stop being Qwerty only. Also, you can put a keyboard changer in your panel so that when you sit down at a student desk (or a student types something on yours) one click switches the keyboard to the preferred layout. Gnome represents the default as USA (at least here in Kentucky) and the other option as USA with a 2 subscript. Does anyone have a good program that actually attempts to teach typing rather than simply being a drill program? Todd From ryan.hackl at lskysd.ca Wed Dec 20 19:34:34 2006 From: ryan.hackl at lskysd.ca (Ryan Hackl) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:34:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Any how-to page for: Users home dir on win2k3 server? References: <455C4013.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us><455C50C9.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us><2be970b50611161228n44995febt3c300c58d0056b07@mail.gmail.com> <455C7AC0.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A57EF@mail1.lskysd.ca> A previous thread said there were issues with having W2K3 home folders on the k12ltsp system. Was this resolved? If yes, is there a good 'how-to' out there for FC5 and W2K3 R2 to assist in setting this up? Ryan Hackl ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Daniel Kuecker Sent: Thu 11/16/2006 2:50 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Users home dir on win2k3 server it shows the following: [root at hsthin ~]# wbinfo -g BUILTIN\administrators BUILTIN\users Domain Computers Domain Controllers Schema Admins Enterprise Admins Domain Admins Domain Users Domain Guests Group Policy Creator Owners DnsUpdateProxy Staff Students food 8gradecomp [root at hsthin ~]# wbinfo -u | more 14guylynn angerothm 10shelzach 13garcsaul 12dunnkend 09jackmich 09thedbrys 16laturobe hastingst 16balddill 10poeryan 15studkins i am looking at that page now. also when i do kinit user i get the following: [root at hsthin ~]# kinit public kinit(v5): Cannot resolve network address for KDC in requested realm while getting initial credentials Thank you, Daniel Kuecker Technology Coordinator Shenandoah Community Schools (712) 246-1581 >>> "john " 11/16/06 2:28 PM >>> What does wbinfo - u and wbinfo - g show you? Also before you can getent - u or - g you'll need to have a valid kerberos ticket. Take a look at this and see if this helps: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto John On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker wrote: > > I just noticed that when i do a getent passwd, it only shows the local > unix users, and not the win2k3 ads users. any suggestions? > > > > Thank you, > > Daniel Kuecker > Technology Coordinator > Shenandoah Community Schools > (712) 246- 1581 > > > > >>> "Daniel Kuecker" 11/16/06 10:40 AM > >>> > > Hello all! > I have a wierd problem I cannot figure out. I have k12ltsp 5 running > with user authentication from a win2k3 server. there are no local user > accounts (except the initial one i created). I then setup the > pam_mount > to mount the windows home dir to mount to a folder under /home/user/X: > everything seems to work fine, however, when accessing the the windows > share, the permissions show as owner=uucp group=wheel. the user cannot > access the share. if i list the /home/user/X: folder as root, it list > the permissions as owner=user group="bunch of numbers". i followed the > instructions from the following site. please help, the students at my > school do not want to use the thin client because they cannot access > the > windows home folder. > > http://math.univ- lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal- > services/authentication_and_homedirs_on_windows.html > > > > > > Thank you, > > Daniel Kuecker > Technology Coordinator > Shenandoah Community Schools > (712) 246- 1581 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 7607 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Dec 20 20:27:40 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:27:40 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap script... In-Reply-To: References: <4588A70B.1030304@paasda.org> Message-ID: <45899CBC.8020906@paasda.org> yes, that's what I used Dave. and then following your instructions steps 18+... added user account and machine account... and no love :( was wondering if I needed to somehow tell LTSP to authenticate via ldap or something? David Trask wrote: > smbldap_installer is based on the IDEALX script....are you using it? > works very well and is easy. http://www.majen.net/smbldap > > It will become part of Edubuntu (in more refined form) in Feisty > > > "Support list for open source software in schools." > writes: >> I just installed on the K12LTSP 6.0 server I'm working on over the >> holidays... >> >> btw Erik, your fixes all worked like a charm with a 'yum update' and >> running that one mixer script. THANKS! >> >> back to smb ldap... >> >> after using the IDEALX script and creating a test user as per the >> instructions...I was unable to login on the thin client side of the >> network using said user. >> >> and when attempting to join the machine I had created using >> >> ./smbldap-useradd -w (I'm going from memory here...the >> -w flag might be different) >> >> to the domain, I am getting the 'no user exists'.... >> >> I've tried with Administrator(as per the instructions), root, my login, >> and no luck. >> >> Curious if this is just me, I have 'user' security enforcement in the >> smb.conf file... >> >> >> --Huck >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Dec 20 20:30:22 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:30:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Advocacy in Curriculum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45899D5E.1030500@paasda.org> when they can spell and read IMHO --Huck Kari Matthews wrote: > Wow. > > At what age/grade should we start them on command line, in your > (anyone's) opinion? > > ~kari > > > > > On 12/19/06, *Robert Arkiletian* > wrote: > > I encourage teachers to add Linux command line skills to their IT > course curriculum's. Look what this latest IT Job Market research > indicates. > > http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/career/article.php/3649436 > > "All this migration to Linux and open source means that job openings > are zooming. Based on Dice statistics, Linux as a recommended skill is > up 51% this year, and roughly 150% in the last two years." > > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > -- > *-*-*-*-*-* > blog.karimatthews.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Dec 20 21:28:24 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:28:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] still working on the announcement, but... Message-ID: <4589AAF8.2020306@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I'm not sure if I'll manage to finish off the official announcement today (that takes quite a bit of work!), but the images for k12ltsp 6.0.0 have been uploaded... -Eric From petre at maltzen.net Thu Dec 21 00:51:44 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:51:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dropbox question In-Reply-To: <122020061601.27472.45895E70000E926500006B5022120207849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <122020061601.27472.45895E70000E926500006B5022120207849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4589DAA0.7060103@maltzen.net> Perhaps I misunderstand the requirements, but how about this: 1. Create a folder under /home called dropbox. 2. Set the owner and group for /home dropbox to the ID & primary group of the teacher. 3. Set the permissions on /home/dropbox to 2777. This will allow the students to put their files into dropbox, and the group for those files will become that of the teacher. 4. Make sure the default umask is 002. This is the default for regular (non-system) users. 5. Create a symlink to /home/dropbox in each student's ~/Desktop/ folder. You could put a script in /etc/profile.d/ that looks for the symlink and if it doesn't exist, creates it. Now when students log in, they'll always have a folder on their desktop that is a symlink to the dropbox directory/folder. They can put their files in that; the teacher, who will also have such a symlinked folder on the desktop, can read, write, and delete all the student files in there. And while the students can read each others files, they can only delete their own. This method requires no script-via-cron to change the permissions all the time. If you're worried about students deleting the whole /home/dropbox folder, they can't since they'd have to delete all the files within first, and they can't do that; you might need to put a hidden file owned by root in there to prevent someone from deleting it while it's empty. Petre dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Jim, > > Thanks for the response and the script. I was kind-of suspecting that I would need such a solution, and very grateful that you already have it! > > sorry about the form of the response. comcast has again placed k12osn at redhat.com on a blacklist as spam and until I can convince them otherwise, I have to watch the listserve manually, then compose emails to respond as needed. Aaargghh!! > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Dec 21 03:16:06 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:16:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap script... In-Reply-To: <45899CBC.8020906@paasda.org> References: <4588A70B.1030304@paasda.org> < > <45899CBC.8020906@paasda.org> Message-ID: yes....if using Fedora you need to use authconfig "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >yes, that's what I used Dave. >and then following your instructions steps 18+... >added user account and machine account... > >and no love :( > >was wondering if I needed to somehow tell LTSP to authenticate via ldap >or something? > >David Trask wrote: >> smbldap_installer is based on the IDEALX script....are you using it? >> works very well and is easy. http://www.majen.net/smbldap >> >> It will become part of Edubuntu (in more refined form) in Feisty >> >> >> "Support list for open source software in schools." >> writes: >>> I just installed on the K12LTSP 6.0 server I'm working on over the >>> holidays... >>> >>> btw Erik, your fixes all worked like a charm with a 'yum update' and >>> running that one mixer script. THANKS! >>> >>> back to smb ldap... >>> >>> after using the IDEALX script and creating a test user as per the >>> instructions...I was unable to login on the thin client side of the >>> network using said user. >>> >>> and when attempting to join the machine I had created using >>> >>> ./smbldap-useradd -w (I'm going from memory here...the >>> -w flag might be different) >>> >>> to the domain, I am getting the 'no user exists'.... >>> >>> I've tried with Administrator(as per the instructions), root, my >login, >>> and no luck. >>> >>> Curious if this is just me, I have 'user' security enforcement in the >>> smb.conf file... >>> >>> >>> --Huck >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Director >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >> (207)923-3100 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From nadavkav at gmail.com Thu Dec 21 09:30:40 2006 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:30:40 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] school web2 tools & add-ons to k12ltsp server Message-ID: <4219988b0612210130j44b05670nd05d02b1af68373d@mail.gmail.com> Hi All :-) first it's a little off topic for this list, BUT because i find it so helpful (especially in the TS environment) that i think we can add some of these Web 2 tools to one of the browser's favorites or maybe add them to the wiki site. or some how have a virtual package that adds these "tools" (sites) to the system. basically, i think it takes the load off the server when i use online: word processor, spreadsheet, ajax chat, whiteboard, emails, calendars, media (files) storage... so here is some of the tools i use... School Track - http://creator.zoho.com/raffic/school-track/ My Library - http://zohocreator.com/raffic/my-library/ Issue Tracker - http://creator.zoho.com/raffic/issue-tracker all google's tools : docs & spreadsheets, calendar, site builder, photos two excellent links which gives nice overview to many tools: http://www.solutionwatch.com/515/back-to-school-with-the-class-of-web-20-part-2/ http://www.solutionwatch.com/515/back-to-school-with-the-class-of-web-20-part-1/ i really hope you all find it useful :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meelis at nlib.ee Thu Dec 21 11:24:18 2006 From: meelis at nlib.ee (Meelis Mihhailov) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 13:24:18 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] SOLVED ! Sabayon limitations and keyboard layout Message-ID: <00b001c724f2$8de21cc0$c60e10ac@melka> OK it seems that I have solved this issue. First why the XKB was disabled ? Because when I was configuring the user accounts over sabayon utility a temporary session was created. This is the reason why my tmp session could not load my keyboard information and this is why I could not create custom layout settings for user account profile. How did I solve this ? As some of you know I'm using so called "create-destroy" solution on home directories. So my solution was that I erased all the content from a users' home directory, logged in and default information was created with sabayon limitations. Now I had my keyboard indikator as well on the panel and managed to set custom settings. After that I used tar to make a tar file of the home directory and so the system started to work as I needed. The funny thing about sabayon setting was that when I created an icon on the panel and saved the account information it was not replaced with the old one. In temporaty session I could see the changes but when logging in from the terminal the old information was still there and no changes were made. New information was accepted after I removed the home/user content and let the system create new data. Meelis --- meelis at nlib.ee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Dec 21 13:10:54 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 07:10:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dropbox question In-Reply-To: <122020061241.26739.45892F6300047BC40000687322165279669C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <122020061241.26739.45892F6300047BC40000687322165279669C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Just curious, are you doing this through samba or on thin clients themselves? If it's through samba you have to set permissions there as well. On Dec 20, 2006, at 6:41 AM, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > I found the instructions. > http://riv-mail.mesd.k12.or.us/mailarchives/k12osdig/7494.html and > also > at http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-April/msg00774.html > for creating a dropbox, but ... > > While it works for dropping the files to the folder, how do I > ensure that the ownership of the files is set to the owner of the > directory, and/or that the permissions are set so that the owner of > the directory can then read the files? I tried setting the sticky > bits or owner and group, and this doesn't seem to work. In > particular, setting chmod u+s does not change the owner of the file > to the owner of the directory. Asking the Tech teacher to have all > students set the permissions of the files to 740 before dropping > them is not exactly a workable option (she just wants the students > to drag/drop the files, no right-clicky, check permissions, etc.) > In fact, nothing that requires 'syntax' is considered acceptable. > The comment I got was "This is trivial on a Mac, so why is it so > hard on this system?" Probably because of me? > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Dave Hopkins > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkWKh94ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXS+kgCdGOMRYC2fo3rTtJhVcOv9byr4 oA0An1szJ6UuInDULiNvUYuvUyAWzvQ2 =SHCu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Thu Dec 21 14:12:31 2006 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:12:31 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20Any=20how-to=20page=20for?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?:=20=20Users=20home=20dir=20on=20win2k3=20server=3F?= In-Reply-To: <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A57EF@mail1.lskysd.ca> References: <455C4013.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us><455C50C9.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us><2be970b50611161228n44995febt3c300c58d0056b07@mail.gmail.com> <455C7AC0.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us> <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A57EF@mail1.lskysd.ca> Message-ID: <458A4FFF020000BB00001EB3@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> Yes there were discussions and it was said that a howto was to be put up on the wiki pages but i believe that the wiki site is being overhauled right now. Have you checked the wiki? Guy Lessard Professeur C?GEP de l'Outaouais Gatineau, Qu?bec Canada >>> "Ryan Hackl" 2006-12-20 14:34:34 >>> A previous thread said there were issues with having W2K3 home folders on the k12ltsp system. Was this resolved? If yes, is there a good 'how-to' out there for FC5 and W2K3 R2 to assist in setting this up? Ryan Hackl From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Daniel Kuecker Sent: Thu 11/16/2006 2:50 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Users home dir on win2k3 server it shows the following: [root at hsthin ~]# wbinfo -g BUILTIN BUILTIN Domain Computers Domain Controllers Schema Admins Enterprise Admins Domain Admins Domain Users Domain Guests Group Policy Creator Owners DnsUpdateProxy Staff Students food 8gradecomp [root at hsthin ~]# wbinfo -u | more 14guylynn angerothm 10shelzach 13garcsaul 12dunnkend 09jackmich 09thedbrys 16laturobe hastingst 16balddill 10poeryan 15studkins i am looking at that page now. also when i do kinit user i get the following: [root at hsthin ~]# kinit public kinit(v5): Cannot resolve network address for KDC in requested realm while getting initial credentials Thank you, Daniel Kuecker Technology Coordinator Shenandoah Community Schools (712) 246-1581 >>>>>> "john "<< lists.john at gmail.com>> 11/16/06 2:28 PM>>>>>> What does wbinfo - u and wbinfo - g show you? Also before you can getent - u or - g you'll need to have a valid kerberos ticket. Take a look at this and see if this helps: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto John On 11/16/06, Daniel Kuecker<< kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us>> >> >> I just noticed that when i do a getent passwd, it only shows the local >> unix users, and not the win2k3 ads users. any suggestions? >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Daniel Kuecker >> Technology Coordinator >> Shenandoah Community Schools >> (712) 246- 1581 >> >> >> >>>>>>>> "Daniel Kuecker"<< kueckerd at shenandoah.k12.ia.us>> 11/16/06 10:40 AM >>>>>>>> >> >> Hello all! >> I have a wierd problem I cannot figure out. I have k12ltsp 5 running >> with user authentication from a win2k3 server. there are no local user >> accounts (except the initial one i created). I then setup the >> pam_mount >> to mount the windows home dir to mount to a folder under >> everything seems to work fine, however, when accessing the the windows >> share, the permissions show as owner=uucp group=wheel. the user cannot >> access the share. if i list the /home/user/X: folder as root, it list >> the permissions as owner=user group="bunch of numbers". i followed the >> instructions from the following site. please help, the students at my >> school do not want to use the thin client because they cannot access >> the >> windows home folder. >> >> http://math.univ- lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal- >> services/authentication_and_homedirs_on_windows.html >> >> >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Daniel Kuecker >> Technology Coordinator >> Shenandoah Community Schools >> (712) 246- 1581 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see<< http://www.k12os.org>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see<< http://www.k12os.org>> >> _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see<< http://www.k12os.org>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Dec 21 14:24:54 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 08:24:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dropbox question In-Reply-To: <4589DAA0.7060103@maltzen.net> References: <122020061601.27472.45895E70000E926500006B5022120207849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <4589DAA0.7060103@maltzen.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Dec 20, 2006, at 6:51 PM, Peter Scheie wrote: > Perhaps I misunderstand the requirements, but how about this: > > 1. Create a folder under /home called dropbox. > 2. Set the owner and group for /home dropbox to the ID & primary > group of the teacher. > 3. Set the permissions on /home/dropbox to 2777. This will allow > the students to put their files into dropbox, and the group for > those files will become that of the teacher. > 4. Make sure the default umask is 002. This is the default for > regular (non-system) users. > 5. Create a symlink to /home/dropbox in each student's ~/Desktop/ > folder. You could put a script in /etc/profile.d/ that looks for > the symlink and if it doesn't exist, creates it. > > OR you could simply let student's email the teacher the file. For the dropbox scenario, I find this much simpler. Either way, the problem is that setuid doesn't work on folders, since that would create quite the havoc with user quotas. One mandatory suggestion if you want to do it this way, set the sitcky bit, making the permissions 3777. This will prevent students from deleting one another's files. IMHO, shared folders are better designed for letting a users share files, not for transferring files. One to many or many to many, not one to one. For all folders that you don't want totally private you make the group a non private group. THEN 3750 (group read-only) 3770 (group read-write) 3775 (group read-write, public read-only) root:root 1777 (publicly writable temp folder) > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkWKmTYACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSJewCfYobpqh5HzUDZQ0Tcc8lML2cp ye0AoI2WbFUSAd9jFv7YGXS+4BlMUvaq =5GdM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ryan.hackl at lskysd.ca Thu Dec 21 14:23:48 2006 From: ryan.hackl at lskysd.ca (Ryan Hackl) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 08:23:48 -0600 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_R=E9p=2E_=3A_=5BK12OSN=5D_Any_how-to_page_for=3A?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?__Users_home_dir_on_win2k3_server=3F?= References: <455C4013.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us><455C50C9.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us><2be970b50611161228n44995febt3c300c58d0056b07@mail.gmail.com><455C7AC0.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us><846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A57EF@mail1.lskysd.ca> <458A4FFF020000BB00001EB3@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> Message-ID: <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A57F2@mail1.lskysd.ca> I've checked. Nothing there (at http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/) yet (unless I've missed it). Also, is http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/ having some troubles? I can't access it. Might my answer be there? The ubuntu link that was given in the mailing list (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto) is very helpful, but might be the reason we move away from k12ltsp and towards ubuntu. My impression from mailing list discussions is that k12 is more stable, so I'd like to solve the 'home dir on win2k3 server' through k12. Thanks for any and all help/directions/links... - Ryan ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Guy-Michel Lessard Sent: Thu 12/21/2006 8:12 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: R?p. : [K12OSN] Any how-to page for: Users home dir on win2k3 server? Yes there were discussions and it was said that a howto was to be put up on the wiki pages but i believe that the wiki site is being overhauled right now. Have you checked the wiki? Guy Lessard Professeur C?GEP de l'Outaouais Gatineau, Qu?bec Canada >>> "Ryan Hackl" 2006-12-20 14:34:34 >>> A previous thread said there were issues with having W2K3 home folders on the k12ltsp system. Was this resolved? If yes, is there a good 'how-to' out there for FC5 and W2K3 R2 to assist in setting this up? Ryan Hackl -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 6127 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mel at melwade.com Thu Dec 21 14:41:24 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 06:41:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki? Message-ID: <43080f460612210641s780a4b5qcb12595ef4af820b@mail.gmail.com> Is the new wiki live? If you follow the link on the site (k12ltsp.org) you go to www.k12lstp.org/wiki which redirects you to the old wiki... -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Thu Dec 21 15:30:02 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:30:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dropbox question In-Reply-To: References: <122020061601.27472.45895E70000E926500006B5022120207849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <4589DAA0.7060103@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <458AA87A.4040404@maltzen.net> Burke Almquist wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Dec 20, 2006, at 6:51 PM, Peter Scheie wrote: > >> Perhaps I misunderstand the requirements, but how about this: >> >> 1. Create a folder under /home called dropbox. >> 2. Set the owner and group for /home dropbox to the ID & primary group >> of the teacher. >> 3. Set the permissions on /home/dropbox to 2777. This will allow the >> students to put their files into dropbox, and the group for those >> files will become that of the teacher. >> 4. Make sure the default umask is 002. This is the default for >> regular (non-system) users. >> 5. Create a symlink to /home/dropbox in each student's ~/Desktop/ >> folder. You could put a script in /etc/profile.d/ that looks for the >> symlink and if it doesn't exist, creates it. >> >> > OR you could simply let student's email the teacher the file. For the > dropbox scenario, I find this much simpler. > > Either way, the problem is that setuid doesn't work on folders, since > that would create quite the havoc with user quotas. > > One mandatory suggestion if you want to do it this way, set the sitcky > bit, making the permissions 3777. This will prevent students from > deleting one another's files. > Users can't delete each other's files even without setting permissions to 3777 because the default permissions, as dictated by the umask, set Other to r-x. Even if the folder the files are being put into is set 777, the files themselves will still be owned by the student who put them there, and the Other perms will be rx, meaning no other student can delete those files. Setting the sticky bit for Group on the folder, aka sgid, and having only the teacher be a member of that group means the teacher and only the teacher will be able to write (delete) the students files, in addition to reading them, in that folder. If you don't want the students to be able to even read each others files in dropbox, set the permissions to 2773 which will make the folder writeable and executable but not readable for Other, meaning the students. Petre From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Dec 21 16:07:55 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 08:07:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki? In-Reply-To: <43080f460612210641s780a4b5qcb12595ef4af820b@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460612210641s780a4b5qcb12595ef4af820b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <458AB15B.1070503@mesd.k12.or.us> Mel Wade wrote: > Is the new wiki live? If you follow the link on the site (k12ltsp.org > ) you go to www.k12lstp.org/wiki > which redirects you to the old wiki... It's currently still at k12ltsp.org/mediawiki and we haven't moved any of the aliases from old to new. We were hoping to get some feedback and have some consensus on this before "flipping the switch". I'm strongly of the opinion that we should go w/ MediaWiki, perhaps in concert w/ the K12LTSP v6 announcement. Outstanding issues: Logo (I'll look for a candidate this morning) Broken links (look for red links) Missing content Spurious pipe chars on links (residue from incomplete sed magic) Being a wiki, anybody can jump in and add a little polish, copy over some missing content, etc. I see that a few people have done so (the RecentChanges feature actually works here!) Thanks! -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From mel at melwade.com Thu Dec 21 16:12:44 2006 From: mel at melwade.com (Mel Wade) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 08:12:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki? In-Reply-To: <458AB15B.1070503@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43080f460612210641s780a4b5qcb12595ef4af820b@mail.gmail.com> <458AB15B.1070503@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43080f460612210812y73033e9agd9fcd68506ceccb2@mail.gmail.com> I'd say get the logo in place and more the move! I've added a page on AD Integration. I was not able create an account on the old wiki to even try and add a page. This one worked great. I would like to be able to upload files though. I have a number of screenshots that I would like to be able to add, but need to have the File Upload feature enable to do so. -- Mel Wade "The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner http://www.melwade.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Dec 21 16:25:39 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 08:25:39 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki? In-Reply-To: <43080f460612210812y73033e9agd9fcd68506ceccb2@mail.gmail.com> References: <43080f460612210641s780a4b5qcb12595ef4af820b@mail.gmail.com> <458AB15B.1070503@mesd.k12.or.us> <43080f460612210812y73033e9agd9fcd68506ceccb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <458AB583.9010702@mesd.k12.or.us> Mel Wade wrote: > I would like to be able to upload files though. I have a number of > screenshots that I would like to be able to add, but need to have the > File Upload feature enable to do so. Done! -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From petre at maltzen.net Thu Dec 21 16:35:03 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:35:03 -0600 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_=5BK12OSN=5D_Any_how-to_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?page_for=3A__Users_home_dir_on_win2k3_ser?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ver=3F?= In-Reply-To: <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A57F2@mail1.lskysd.ca> References: <455C4013.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us><455C50C9.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us><2be970b50611161228n44995febt3c300c58d0056b07@mail.gmail.com><455C7AC0.0DA4.007D.0@shenandoah.k12.ia.us><846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A57EF@mail1.lskysd.ca> <458A4FFF020000BB00001EB3@wise.cegepoutaouais.qc.ca> <846B70AA0A72EF46BDFA7048B2C91D491A57F2@mail1.lskysd.ca> Message-ID: <458AB7B7.30606@maltzen.net> Ryan Hackl wrote: > I've checked. Nothing there (at http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/) yet (unless I've missed it). > > Also, is http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/ having some troubles? I can't access it. Might my answer be there? > No, you're answer isn't there. Gavin's pages are available via the Wayback Machine at internetarchive.org, but he didn't have anything on working with W2K. > The ubuntu link that was given in the mailing list (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto) is very helpful, but might be the reason we move away from k12ltsp and towards ubuntu. > > My impression from mailing list discussions is that k12 is more stable, so I'd like to solve the 'home dir on win2k3 server' through k12. > I think the consensus is just that: Ubuntu is showing promise, and the way it implements LTSP is the way all distros in the future will likely do so. However, today, K12LTSP is more stable and polished. Petre From les at futuresource.com Thu Dec 21 16:43:08 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:43:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dropbox question In-Reply-To: <458AA87A.4040404@maltzen.net> References: <122020061601.27472.45895E70000E926500006B5022120207849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <4589DAA0.7060103@maltzen.net> <458AA87A.4040404@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1166719389.8664.42.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 09:30 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > > One mandatory suggestion if you want to do it this way, set the sitcky > > bit, making the permissions 3777. This will prevent students from > > deleting one another's files. > > > Users can't delete each other's files even without setting permissions to > 3777 because the default permissions, as dictated by the umask, set Other > to r-x. Even if the folder the files are being put into is set 777, the > files themselves will still be owned by the student who put them there, > and the Other perms will be rx, meaning no other student can delete those > files. That's not true. On unix-like systems, the ability to delete files is determined by the containing directory permissions, not the file itself. The sticky bit on the directory changes this so that you must also have write permission on the file to delete it. > Setting the sticky bit for Group on the folder, aka sgid, and > having only the teacher be a member of that group means the teacher and only the teacher > will be able to write (delete) the students files, in addition to reading them, in that > folder. RH/fedora based systems normally default to a umask of 0002, which makes newly created files rw by group by default, and they create a group for each user. If you add the teacher(s) to each student's group, they will automatically get read/write access to the student's files, dropbox or not. > If you don't want the students to be able to even read each others files in > dropbox, set the permissions to 2773 which will make the folder writeable and executable > but not readable for Other, meaning the students. Not being able to read the directory will keep you from seeing the filenames but if you can guess the name and have read permission on the file itself you can still access it. The 'teacher in students group' scheme lets students see the filenames but not have any access to each other's file contents. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Thu Dec 21 17:23:48 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:23:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dropbox question In-Reply-To: <1166719389.8664.42.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <122020061601.27472.45895E70000E926500006B5022120207849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <4589DAA0.7060103@maltzen.net> <458AA87A.4040404@maltzen.net> <1166719389.8664.42.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <458AC324.3030003@maltzen.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 09:30 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>> One mandatory suggestion if you want to do it this way, set the sitcky >>> bit, making the permissions 3777. This will prevent students from >>> deleting one another's files. >>> >> Users can't delete each other's files even without setting permissions to >> 3777 because the default permissions, as dictated by the umask, set Other >> to r-x. Even if the folder the files are being put into is set 777, the >> files themselves will still be owned by the student who put them there, >> and the Other perms will be rx, meaning no other student can delete those >> files. > > That's not true. On unix-like systems, the ability to delete files is > determined by the containing directory permissions, not the file itself. > The sticky bit on the directory changes this so that you must also have > write permission on the file to delete it. Ah, yes, you are correct. I was deceived by the lack of a write permission for Other on the file, and by Nautilus's indication that the file was read-only for everyone but the creator. Serves me right for not actually testing it. Further, Burke was correct in stating that setting the sticky bit for Other (3777) will prevent anyone but its owner from deleting it, save for the teacher who is a member of the group which has write permissions on all files. Petre From petre at maltzen.net Thu Dec 21 18:12:43 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:12:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki? In-Reply-To: <458AB15B.1070503@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43080f460612210641s780a4b5qcb12595ef4af820b@mail.gmail.com> <458AB15B.1070503@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <458ACE9B.1010203@maltzen.net> Dan Young wrote: > Mel Wade wrote: >> Is the new wiki live? If you follow the link on the site (k12ltsp.org >> ) you go to www.k12lstp.org/wiki >> which redirects you to the old wiki... > > It's currently still at k12ltsp.org/mediawiki and we haven't moved any > of the aliases from old to new. > > We were hoping to get some feedback and have some consensus on this > before "flipping the switch". I'm strongly of the opinion that we should > go w/ MediaWiki, perhaps in concert w/ the K12LTSP v6 announcement. > > Outstanding issues: > Logo (I'll look for a candidate this morning) > Broken links (look for red links) > Missing content > Spurious pipe chars on links (residue from incomplete sed magic) > > Being a wiki, anybody can jump in and add a little polish, copy over > some missing content, etc. I see that a few people have done so (the > RecentChanges feature actually works here!) Thanks! > FYI, I see a logo on the top left when I view the 'GDM autologin' document, but I see just the logo placeholder on the main page. Thanks for adding the ability to post attachment files. Petre From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Dec 21 18:17:22 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:17:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki? In-Reply-To: <458ACE9B.1010203@maltzen.net> References: <43080f460612210641s780a4b5qcb12595ef4af820b@mail.gmail.com> <458AB15B.1070503@mesd.k12.or.us> <458ACE9B.1010203@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <458ACFB2.3090407@mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > FYI, I see a logo on the top left when I view the 'GDM autologin' > document, but I see just the logo placeholder on the main page. Just put it up. Do a Ctrl-Shift-R to reload the main page and blow it out of cache. A big thanks to Andrew McLaughlin of Parkrose School District for the spiffy logo! -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Dec 21 19:39:41 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 13:39:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dropbox question In-Reply-To: <458AC324.3030003@maltzen.net> References: <122020061601.27472.45895E70000E926500006B5022120207849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <4589DAA0.7060103@maltzen.net> <458AA87A.4040404@maltzen.net> <1166719389.8664.42.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <458AC324.3030003@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20061221193618.M98580@winonacotter.org> If I remember right part of the reason I opted for the script before was because of disk quotas. I think that with what you guys have described the file is still owned by the student even though the group ownership changes to the teacher. Problem I had with that is that some teachers aren't the best in cleaning out folders, so after a while a student can have nothing in his/her home folder and still exceed the quota because the teacher hadn't remove their assignments for the last 6 months. And with our digital arts classes some assignments are a few gig in size, so they can eat up quota fairly quickly. But if you aren't using quotas I think what you suggest would work. but I set this up 3 years ago so I don't fully remember my reasoning :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Thu Dec 21 19:52:54 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 13:52:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dropbox question In-Reply-To: <20061221193618.M98580@winonacotter.org> References: <122020061601.27472.45895E70000E926500006B5022120207849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <4589DAA0.7060103@maltzen.net> <458AA87A.4040404@maltzen.net> <1166719389.8664.42.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <458AC324.3030003@maltzen.net> <20061221193618.M98580@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <458AE616.7030408@maltzen.net> Quotas operate per filesystem, so if /dropbox is on a different partition from /home, it won't have any bearing on users' quotas in their home directories. You could set a different quota limit for /dropbox than for /home, or not even set a quota if desired. Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: > If I remember right part of the reason I opted for the script before was > because of disk quotas. I think that with what you guys have described the > file is still owned by the student even though the group ownership changes to > the teacher. Problem I had with that is that some teachers aren't the best in > cleaning out folders, so after a while a student can have nothing in his/her > home folder and still exceed the quota because the teacher hadn't remove their > assignments for the last 6 months. And with our digital arts classes some > assignments are a few gig in size, so they can eat up quota fairly quickly. > But if you aren't using quotas I think what you suggest would work. but I set > this up 3 years ago so I don't fully remember my reasoning :-) > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Dec 21 20:18:57 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:18:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP FTP/HTTP/rsync server down for maintenance Message-ID: <458AEC31.6060809@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> The K12LTSP FTP/HTTP/rsync server is down for maintenance. I'm not sure what the ETA is, I'll send out an email when it is back up. -Eric From dhuckaby at hvja.org Thu Dec 21 21:46:31 2006 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 13:46:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldap woes.. Message-ID: <458B00B7.8050807@hvja.org> I'm thinking this is more of a samba thing than an ldap thing... I keep getting 'access denied' when attempting to join a machine to the domain. have tried 'administrator', 'Administrator', and 'root' ... they all have the same passwd at the moment... I remember running into this issue before but it was long ago...and my memory fails me as to the fix. any ideas? --Huck From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Dec 21 22:07:48 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:07:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldap woes.. In-Reply-To: <458B00B7.8050807@hvja.org> References: <458B00B7.8050807@hvja.org> Message-ID: <1679.76.179.82.249.1166738868.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> smbnpasswd -w yourldappw..assuming you have looked at ldap plogs to see if samba is talking to ldaap > I'm thinking this is more of a samba thing than an ldap thing... > > I keep getting 'access denied' when attempting to join a machine to the > domain. > have tried 'administrator', 'Administrator', and 'root' ... > they all have the same passwd at the moment... > > I remember running into this issue before but it was long ago...and my > memory fails me as to the fix. > any ideas? > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at hvja.org Thu Dec 21 22:24:33 2006 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:24:33 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldap woes.. In-Reply-To: <1679.76.179.82.249.1166738868.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <458B00B7.8050807@hvja.org> <1679.76.179.82.249.1166738868.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <458B09A1.5020108@hvja.org> didn't find any ldap logs in /var/log...not sure where those go to... but smbpasswd -w did the trick... Now to get permissions setup...as the 'home' directory was unaccessible due to rights :) Yay, thanks! And as an add-on...the registry hack still needs to be done on XP Pro systems: *[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\Netlogon\Parameters]* *"requirestrongkey"=dword:00000000* *"requiresignorseal"=dword:00000000* *[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet002\Services\Netlogon\Parameters]* *"requirestrongkey"=dword:00000000* *"requiresignorseal"=dword:00000000* *[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Netlogon\Parameters]* *"requirestrongkey"=dword:00000000* *"requiresignorseal"=dword:00000000* cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > smbnpasswd -w yourldappw..assuming you have looked at ldap plogs to see if > samba is talking to ldaap > > >> I'm thinking this is more of a samba thing than an ldap thing... >> >> I keep getting 'access denied' when attempting to join a machine to the >> domain. >> have tried 'administrator', 'Administrator', and 'root' ... >> they all have the same passwd at the moment... >> >> I remember running into this issue before but it was long ago...and my >> memory fails me as to the fix. >> any ideas? >> >> --Huck >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Dec 21 23:12:05 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 18:12:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldap woes.. In-Reply-To: <458B09A1.5020108@hvja.org> References: <458B00B7.8050807@hvja.org> <1679.76.179.82.249.1166738868.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <458B09A1.5020108@hvja.org> Message-ID: <1623.76.179.82.249.1166742725.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> aare you sure that is necessary? i add local4.debug /var/log/ldap and restart syslog that creates volumes sof logs to read i tohught smab was smart enough now to make thata no isue..we are using scads of xp machines with no hack chuck From dhuckaby at hvja.org Thu Dec 21 23:03:25 2006 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:03:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldap woes.. In-Reply-To: <1623.76.179.82.249.1166742725.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <458B00B7.8050807@hvja.org> <1679.76.179.82.249.1166738868.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <458B09A1.5020108@hvja.org> <1623.76.179.82.249.1166742725.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <458B12BD.8030109@hvja.org> I just had to do it on a lab machine that I'm testing on... had done it on my personal machine previously so was going to ask if it was neccessary...then the lab machine puked so I hacked the registry and then it worked. Am use'n whatever smb K12LTSP 6.0 has. --Huck cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > aare you sure that is necessary? i add local4.debug /var/log/ldap and > restart syslog that creates volumes sof logs to read > i tohught smab was smart enough now to make thata no isue..we are using > scads of xp machines with no hack > > chuck > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at hvja.org Thu Dec 21 23:22:46 2006 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:22:46 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] more smbldap queries.. Message-ID: <458B1746.4070201@hvja.org> After using the IDEALX script, is it safe to add/modify shares in the smb.conf file per my setup or is there some behind the scenes stuff with ldap that needs to coincide with the smb.conf changes? Huck is very new to this ldap stuff. =) --Huck From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Dec 21 23:40:36 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 18:40:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] more smbldap queries.. In-Reply-To: <458B1746.4070201@hvja.org> References: <458B1746.4070201@hvja.org> Message-ID: <2095.76.179.82.249.1166744436.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> shares should be no prob if the ldap piece is unchanged > After using the IDEALX script, is it safe to add/modify shares in the > smb.conf file per my setup or is there some behind the scenes stuff with > ldap that needs to coincide with the smb.conf changes? > > Huck is very new to this ldap stuff. =) > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From carl at snarlnet.com Thu Dec 21 23:30:58 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:30:58 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Problems with the esd+ALSA hack Message-ID: <458B1932.6080001@snarlnet.com> Hi Folks, I recently installed this http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 to try to alleviate some choppy audio issues. Audio does seem smoother while playing games, but not when scrolling web pages (with audio in the background). The big, huge dealbreaker problem is that now I've lost Flash sound. (Another hard-fought battle involving installing the beta 9 plugin and some hacks I can't even remember right now.) Can someone suggest a way to get Flash audio back with the esd+ALSA hack? Otherwise I'm going to have to roll back. Merry X-Mas. ck From dhuckaby at hvja.org Thu Dec 21 23:32:47 2006 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:32:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] more smbldap queries.. In-Reply-To: <2095.76.179.82.249.1166744436.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <458B1746.4070201@hvja.org> <2095.76.179.82.249.1166744436.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <458B199F.20604@hvja.org> yay so far on the windows side all is lovely... when I try to login to the server via a thin client on I am unable to with smb/ldap user account...but if I create a normal linux user account I can. the K12LTSP server is the smb/ldap server as well. Is there some one-liner or a check box somewhere I missed to resolve this issue? --Huck cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > shares should be no prob if the ldap piece is unchanged > > > >> After using the IDEALX script, is it safe to add/modify shares in the >> smb.conf file per my setup or is there some behind the scenes stuff with >> ldap that needs to coincide with the smb.conf changes? >> >> Huck is very new to this ldap stuff. =) >> >> --Huck >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at hvja.org Thu Dec 21 23:36:05 2006 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:36:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] more smbldap queries.. In-Reply-To: <458B199F.20604@hvja.org> References: <458B1746.4070201@hvja.org> <2095.76.179.82.249.1166744436.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <458B199F.20604@hvja.org> Message-ID: <458B1A65.2050001@hvja.org> might have found the answer...will post back if http://ldots.org/ldap/ that doesn't work :) --Huck Huck wrote: > yay so far on the windows side all is lovely... > > when I try to login to the server via a thin client on I am unable to > with smb/ldap user account...but if I create a normal linux user > account I can. the K12LTSP server is the smb/ldap server as well. > > Is there some one-liner or a check box somewhere I missed to resolve > this issue? > > --Huck > cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: >> shares should be no prob if the ldap piece is unchanged >> >> >> >>> After using the IDEALX script, is it safe to add/modify shares in the >>> smb.conf file per my setup or is there some behind the scenes stuff >>> with >>> ldap that needs to coincide with the smb.conf changes? >>> >>> Huck is very new to this ldap stuff. =) >>> >>> --Huck >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at midmaine.com Fri Dec 22 00:08:52 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:08:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] more smbldap queries.. In-Reply-To: <458B199F.20604@hvja.org> References: <458B1746.4070201@hvja.org> <2095.76.179.82.249.1166744436.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <458B199F.20604@hvja.org> Message-ID: <4231.76.179.82.249.1166746132.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> i dont know authconfig much anymore..id check the client side of ldap...nsswitch.conf..system-auth in pam.d > yay so far on the windows side all is lovely... > > when I try to login to the server via a thin client on I am unable to > with smb/ldap user account...but if I create a normal linux user account > I can. the K12LTSP server is the smb/ldap server as well. > > Is there some one-liner or a check box somewhere I missed to resolve > this issue? > > --Huck > cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: >> shares should be no prob if the ldap piece is unchanged >> >> >> >>> After using the IDEALX script, is it safe to add/modify shares in the >>> smb.conf file per my setup or is there some behind the scenes stuff >>> with >>> ldap that needs to coincide with the smb.conf changes? >>> >>> Huck is very new to this ldap stuff. =) >>> >>> --Huck >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at hvja.org Fri Dec 22 00:17:07 2006 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:17:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] more smbldap queries.. In-Reply-To: <458B1A65.2050001@hvja.org> References: <458B1746.4070201@hvja.org> <2095.76.179.82.249.1166744436.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <458B199F.20604@hvja.org> <458B1A65.2050001@hvja.org> Message-ID: <458B2403.9060603@hvja.org> This solved it... =) http://ldots.org/ldap/ Yahoo!!! Now to get IceWM to be default option, and menus configured properly and files ported over... --Huck Huck wrote: > might have found the answer...will post back if > http://ldots.org/ldap/ > that doesn't work :) > > --Huck > > Huck wrote: >> yay so far on the windows side all is lovely... >> >> when I try to login to the server via a thin client on I am unable to >> with smb/ldap user account...but if I create a normal linux user >> account I can. the K12LTSP server is the smb/ldap server as well. >> >> Is there some one-liner or a check box somewhere I missed to resolve >> this issue? >> >> --Huck >> cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: >>> shares should be no prob if the ldap piece is unchanged >>> >>> >>> >>>> After using the IDEALX script, is it safe to add/modify shares in the >>>> smb.conf file per my setup or is there some behind the scenes stuff >>>> with >>>> ldap that needs to coincide with the smb.conf changes? >>>> >>>> Huck is very new to this ldap stuff. =) >>>> >>>> --Huck >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at hvja.org Fri Dec 22 00:25:11 2006 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:25:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] A couple more oddities with K12LTSP 6.0 Message-ID: <458B25E7.8070502@hvja.org> sorry Erik...hope it's just me! on bootup I get this message: system message bus: unknown group netdev in message bus configuration file... and...when connecting via NX Client this error: The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_SystemTrayApplet" and for each applet I had on the dock it gave a similar error for each. was unable to duplicate it after a reboot though... --Huck From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Dec 22 00:30:47 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:30:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP FTP/HTTP/rsync server down for maintenance In-Reply-To: <458AEC31.6060809@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <458AEC31.6060809@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <458B2737.6030001@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > The K12LTSP FTP/HTTP/rsync server is down for maintenance. > > I'm not sure what the ETA is, I'll send out an email when it is back up. > > -Eric > The server is back up, but it may be a bit slow for a while... -Eric From snowsam at laurel-point.net Fri Dec 22 08:29:24 2006 From: snowsam at laurel-point.net (Sam Snow) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 02:29:24 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Online Grades 3.2.4 Released and new Linux Gradebook supported Message-ID: <33510.66.179.232.60.1166776164.squirrel@mail.laurel-point.net> Online Grades is a free web-based software program for securely posting student grades to the internet. It is not a gradebook, but takes exports from several common grade book programs. For more information and a demo site see http://www.onlinegrades.org/ . ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Online Grades 3.2.4 Released -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Merry Christmas! We are pleased to announce the release of Online Grades version 3.2.4. This release features "Grade Groups" capability, which allows for coaches or administrators to review the overall grades for a group of students. Thanks to "evilpluto" - http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1578626&forum_id=433397 for doing much of the work to move this feature over from an old version of Basmati. For an overview of how Grade Groups works please see http://docs.onlinegrades.org/Faculty_Group_Grades If you are wondering where Online Grades 3.2.3 went, we decided to skip this version number due to the new Grade Groups functionality and other new features that have been added since 3.2.2. There were no database changes in this release, so upgrading is very straight forward. See http://docs.onlinegrades.org/Upgrading_from_Previous_Versions for details. If you upgraded from 3.2.1 to 3.2.2 the procedure is the same. New Features: 1580566 Added Grade Groups - See http://docs.onlinegrades.org/Faculty_Group_Grades 1194191 Allow admins to upload grades for other teachers 1599347 Support for per login help links 1421752 Modify update checker to reduce hits (No number) Added a demonstration mode to help with the Online Grades Demo. (No number) Added ability to sort tables on the fly using JavaScript (multiple locations) (No number) Added ability to send mail to any user with an associated email address (No number) Moved the SQL query and quick query in the admin area to an "expert mode" area. Bugs Fixed: 1616839 Fix for password reset email not being sent 1612878 Fixed IIS/PHP as CGI Login Session Problem 1582098 Fix for being unable to change default admin 1582092 Added support for short_open_tag off PHP option 1580649 Fixed Remove Student bug in the parent center 1574982 Fixed Email Validation Bug for .info addresses (No number) News & Updates would display error if logged in as semi-admin (No number) Fix for incorrect email link from parents.php?func=showgradebook (No number) Fixed default value in the config We are also pleased to announce support for a new grade book program, GradeL - http://gradel.sourceforge.net/ . GradeL is a free graphical grade book program that currently runs only on Linux. Thanks for your continued support of the growing Online Grades community and we look forward to another year! Beau and Sam http://www.onlinegrades.org/ From melliott at rpmhd.org Fri Dec 22 15:12:19 2006 From: melliott at rpmhd.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:12:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Issues with two terminals - xserver fails / Matrox Millenium II Message-ID: <458BF5D3.7030702@rpmhd.org> Hello once more. I've been working on this for a day or so and haven't came up with any luck so far. I have two workstations that were working on my K12LTSP 4 box which I cannot get to come up on the K12LTSP 5. I have three machines of the same hardware configuration. One works, the other two do not. I have tried to copy the lts.conf information from the one that works: [C112] PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = P X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync to the two that are not currently working: [C113] [C116] *Note - I did not put this on the same line, I'm must showing that both have the same config. PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = P X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync In the global section, the XSERVER = "auto" I tried adding XSERVER = "mga" to the individual lines as well to see if that would help, it did not. The video cards in all three are AGP Matrox Millenium II (MGA2164WA-B) The error I am getting basically goes as follows: Scanning for video card.. then it says to check /tmp/mnt/xorg.log for errors (which is not in /tmp/mnt/xorg) Then I receive xserver failed. As mentioned earlier, I did have these working under K12LTSP 4. I did have an issue earlier when I didn't realize that the dhcpd.conf file was changed. So if something in lts.conf has changed, that may be something I don't know. I do have several other terminals (4 working), one of which is an identical machine as two that are not working. Thanks - Mike From jahnigl at hotmail.com Fri Dec 22 14:52:42 2006 From: jahnigl at hotmail.com (Lance Jahnig) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 08:52:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP FTP/HTTP/rsync server down for maintenance In-Reply-To: <458B2737.6030001@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: >From: Eric Harrison >Reply-To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > >To: "Support list for open source software in schools." >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP FTP/HTTP/rsync server down for maintenance >Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:30:47 -0800 > >Eric Harrison wrote: > > The K12LTSP FTP/HTTP/rsync server is down for maintenance. > > > > I'm not sure what the ETA is, I'll send out an email when it is back up. > > > > -Eric > > > >The server is back up, but it may be a bit slow for a while... > >-Eric > >_______________________________________________ What happened to the K12LTSP-5.0.0-32bit-all location? And when I changed the local repository to get from K12LTSP-all, it erased all of the FC5 files and started to replace them with FC6 files. rh73-updates Red Hat 7.3 updates rh80-updates Red Hat 8.0 updates testing experimental rpms K12LTSP Use this if you want to mirror the K12LTSP distro K12LTSP-EL K12LTSP "Enterprise" ISO images, 32bit version (Pentium, Athlon) K12LTSP-EL-64bit K12LTSP "Enterprise" ISO images, 64bit version (Opteron, EM64T) K12LTSP-4.2EL-32bit-all The whole K12LTSP 4.2EL 32bit version install tree, updates, and ISOs. K12LTSP-4.2EL-64bit-all The whole K12LTSP 4.2EL 64bit version install tree, updates, and ISOs. 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K12LTSP-6.0.0-64bit-all The whole K12LTSP 6.0 64bit version install tree, updates, and ISOs. webmin Webmin repository Thank You Lance _________________________________________________________________ Find sales, coupons, and free shipping, all in one place! ?MSN Shopping Sales & Deals http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctid=198,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200639 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Dec 22 16:13:55 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 08:13:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP FTP/HTTP/rsync server down for maintenance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <458C0443.80204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Lance Jahnig wrote: > What happened to the K12LTSP-5.0.0-32bit-all location? > > And when I changed the local repository to get from K12LTSP-all, it > erased all of the FC5 files and started to replace them with FC6 files. > Fixed. Thanks for catching the typos... $ rsync k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us:: | grep all K12LTSP-4.2EL-32bit-all The whole K12LTSP 4.2EL 32bit version install tree, updates, and ISOs. K12LTSP-4.2EL-64bit-all The whole K12LTSP 4.2EL 64bit version install tree, updates, and ISOs. K12LTSP-all The whole K12LTSP 6.0.0-32bit install tree, updates, and ISOs. K12LTSP-5.0.0-32bit-all The whole K12LTSP 5.0 32bit version install tree, updates, and ISOs. K12LTSP-5.0.0-64bit-all The whole K12LTSP 5.0 64bit version install tree, updates, and ISOs. K12LTSP-6.0.0-32bit-all The whole K12LTSP 6.0 32bit version install tree, updates, and ISOs. K12LTSP-6.0.0-64bit-all The whole K12LTSP 6.0 64bit version install tree, updates, and ISOs. -- Eric Harrison Technology Services Multnomah Education Service District (503)257-1554 cell: (971)998-6249 From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 22 18:21:55 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:21:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Problems with the esd+ALSA hack In-Reply-To: <458B1932.6080001@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <463236.9313.qm@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just read something that might help you, but I can't remember if it was on this list or elsewhere. It had to do with LTSP, Alsa, and sounds in Firefox and Thunderbird. I think the operating system in question was Ubuntu or Xubuntu. I think the person asking the question was mainly concerned about getting a little "ringy-dingy" when new email arrived in Thunderbird. I'll search for it, but I figured I'd let you know so you can try searching too. -Rob --- Carl Keil wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I recently installed this > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 > > to try to alleviate some choppy audio issues. Audio > does seem smoother > while playing games, but not when scrolling web > pages (with audio in the > background). The big, huge dealbreaker problem is > that now I've lost > Flash sound. (Another hard-fought battle involving > installing the beta > 9 plugin and some hacks I can't even remember right > now.) > > Can someone suggest a way to get Flash audio back > with the esd+ALSA hack? > Otherwise I'm going to have to roll back. > > Merry X-Mas. > > ck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From k12ltsp at trinityschool.org.uk Fri Dec 22 18:26:22 2006 From: k12ltsp at trinityschool.org.uk (Peter Deakin) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:26:22 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] A couple more oddities with K12LTSP 6.0 In-Reply-To: <458B25E7.8070502@hvja.org> References: <458B25E7.8070502@hvja.org> Message-ID: <458C234E.40104@trinityschool.org.uk> Huck wrote: > sorry Erik...hope it's just me! > > on bootup I get this message: > > system message bus: unknown group netdev in message bus configuration > file... > > and...when connecting via NX Client this error: > > The panel encountered a problem while loading > "OAFIID:GNOME_SystemTrayApplet" > > and for each applet I had on the dock it gave a similar error for each. > > was unable to duplicate it after a reboot though... > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > . > Your not alone Huck, I had both the same issues. As far as nx is concerned it has been unrepeatable since. I just logged off from the nx session and re-logged on and everything was fine. Peter From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 22 18:28:45 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:28:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Local Devices are Cool !!! Message-ID: <658236.12593.qm@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just tried local devices with LTSP 4.2 and I'm really happy to have it working. I successfully accessed a local CD-ROM, and am about to try a usb scanner. As expected, it did *not* work with my Canon A530 digital camera. On a standalone desktop machine, this camera does not get mounted as a removable drive, but relies on some special import method performed by gphoto (I think it's gphoto, anyway.) Are there any workarounds for this type of camera? I'd love to be able to use it on my thin clients. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Dec 22 18:48:34 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:48:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Local Devices are Cool !!! In-Reply-To: <658236.12593.qm@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <658236.12593.qm@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <458C2882.5090006@mesd.k12.or.us> Rob Owens wrote: > As expected, it did *not* work with my Canon A530 > digital camera. On a standalone desktop machine, this > camera does not get mounted as a removable drive, but > relies on some special import method performed by > gphoto (I think it's gphoto, anyway.) Are there any > workarounds for this type of camera? I'd love to be > able to use it on my thin clients. Doubtful. The ltspfs fuse module deals w/ mountable filesystems. Looks like that Canon doesn't have a "mass storage" mode, but uses PTP instead. Don't know if USB/IP has gone anywhere. There is GPL'ed code out there to extend USB device sharing over an IP network. Looks like the website disappeared. I'd buy a cheap card reader. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 22 19:34:29 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 11:34:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] help me understand sound Message-ID: <206548.13231.qm@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Even though I've got all my sound issues sorted out, I'm confused about how/why it works. I guess I'm confused because I apparently needed 3 different sound "systems" on my Xubuntu/LTSP server: alsa, esound, and gstreamer. Can somebody give me a simple explanation as to what these 3 components do for me? Thanks -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dan at u2source.com Fri Dec 22 20:28:15 2006 From: dan at u2source.com (Dan Eliot) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:28:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] The Dreaded DHCP on port 1067 Message-ID: <11325.216.100.89.26.1166819295.squirrel@webmail.u2source.com> Hello, I've been fighting with my LTSP server for a long while now, and I could use some advice. My school is such that I can't put the thin clients on their own hub/switch... instead I need to share the LAN with another DHCP server. With this in mind, I have: (1) Set up the server to use DHCP port 1067 (following directions to make this work in dhcpd.conf and dhcpd files. (2) Set up the etherboot floppies correctly to look for port 1067. I want to use floppys so I can use the machines "normally" as Win95 machines, or with LTSP at the drop of a floppy. The clients seem to make the first DHCP request OK, and everything is fine until later in the game (and much screen activity later) when I see "Running DHCPD on port 67" and then "Kernel Panic". This is after IPs have been picked up, etc. Another added issue is that use of "ethtool" shows me that one NIC is in full duplex mode, while the second is in half duplex mode. I think I've solved this by adding the following commands to /etc/rc.local: ethtool -s eth1 speed 100 duplex full autoneg off ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 duplex full autoneg off Checking eth0 and eth1 after these commands are executed shows them both in the same mode. Anyway, any help would be appreciated in getting DHCP to STAY with port 1067. Dan PS: Here is some command window output in case it is useful: Settings for eth0: Supported ports: [ TP MII ] Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full Supports auto-negotiation: Yes Advertised link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full Advertised auto-negotiation: No Speed: 100Mb/s Duplex: Full Port: MII PHYAD: 24 Transceiver: internal Auto-negotiation: off Current message level: 0x00000001 (1) Link detected: yes [root at ELD-0506-LT01 ~]# ethtool eth1 Settings for eth1: Supported ports: [ MII ] Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:01:02:FD:35:98 inet addr:10.11.150.6 Bcast:10.11.150.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::201:2ff:fefd:3598/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:175637 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:1 frame:0 TX packets:31873 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:16627274 (15.8 MiB) TX bytes:41815631 (39.8 MiB) Interrupt:50 Base address:0x4f80 eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:13:72:9D:D6:4E inet addr:10.11.150.5 Bcast:10.11.150.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::213:72ff:fe9d:d64e/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:64355 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:85 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:6 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:5365069 (5.1 MiB) TX bytes:16208 (15.8 KiB) Interrupt:169 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:2570 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:2570 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:3874647 (3.6 MiB) TX bytes:3874647 (3.6 MiB) 1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full Supports auto-negotiation: Yes Advertised link modes: Not reported Advertised auto-negotiation: No Speed: 100Mb/s Duplex: Full Port: Twisted Pair PHYAD: 1 Transceiver: internal Auto-negotiation: off Supports Wake-on: g Wake-on: d Current message level: 0x000000ff (255) Link detected: yes From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Fri Dec 22 20:31:21 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 09:31:21 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Local Devices are Cool !!! In-Reply-To: <458C2882.5090006@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <658236.12593.qm@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <458C2882.5090006@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: I have a Canon camera too. Do all card readers work or does it need a special linux driver? On 23/12/06, Dan Young wrote: > > Rob Owens wrote: > > As expected, it did *not* work with my Canon A530 > > digital camera. On a standalone desktop machine, this > > camera does not get mounted as a removable drive, but > > relies on some special import method performed by > > gphoto (I think it's gphoto, anyway.) Are there any > > workarounds for this type of camera? I'd love to be > > able to use it on my thin clients. > > Doubtful. The ltspfs fuse module deals w/ mountable filesystems. Looks > like that Canon doesn't have a "mass storage" mode, but uses PTP instead. > > Don't know if USB/IP has gone anywhere. There is GPL'ed code out there > to extend USB device sharing over an IP network. Looks like the website > disappeared. > > I'd buy a cheap card reader. > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Dec 22 21:01:39 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:01:39 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Local Devices are Cool !!! In-Reply-To: References: <658236.12593.qm@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <458C2882.5090006@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <458C47B3.8050004@mesd.k12.or.us> Krsnendu dasa wrote: > I have a Canon camera too. Do all card readers work or does it need a > special linux driver? I'm sure there are exceptions, but the vast majority should appear as /dev/sd* USB mass storage devices using the usb-storage kernel module. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From cliebow at midmaine.com Fri Dec 22 21:02:04 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:02:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] The Dreaded DHCP on port 1067 In-Reply-To: <11325.216.100.89.26.1166819295.squirrel@webmail.u2source.com> References: <11325.216.100.89.26.1166819295.squirrel@webmail.u2source.com> Message-ID: <1141.71.225.82.155.1166821324.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> did you appy option 128/9 to tell the kernel to look for dhcp on 1067 at second dhcp inquiry? i use 1001/2 on my networks with proma and flopps > Hello, > > I've been fighting with my LTSP server for a long while now, and I could > use some advice. My school is such that I can't put the thin clients on > their own hub/switch... instead I need to share the LAN with another DHCP > server. With this in mind, I have: > > (1) Set up the server to use DHCP port 1067 (following directions to make > this work in dhcpd.conf and dhcpd files. > (2) Set up the etherboot floppies correctly to look for port 1067. I > want to use floppys so I can use the machines "normally" as Win95 > machines, or with LTSP at the drop of a floppy. > > The clients seem to make the first DHCP request OK, and everything is fine > until later in the game (and much screen activity later) when I see > "Running DHCPD on port 67" and then "Kernel Panic". This is after IPs > have been picked up, etc. > > Another added issue is that use of "ethtool" shows me that one NIC is in > full duplex mode, while the second is in half duplex mode. I think I've > solved this by adding the following commands to /etc/rc.local: > > ethtool -s eth1 speed 100 duplex full autoneg off > ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 duplex full autoneg off > > Checking eth0 and eth1 after these commands are executed shows them both > in the same mode. > > Anyway, any help would be appreciated in getting DHCP to STAY with port > 1067. > > Dan > PS: Here is some command window output in case it is useful: > > Settings for eth0: > Supported ports: [ TP MII ] > Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full > 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full > Supports auto-negotiation: Yes > Advertised link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full > 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full > Advertised auto-negotiation: No > Speed: 100Mb/s > Duplex: Full > Port: MII > PHYAD: 24 > Transceiver: internal > Auto-negotiation: off > Current message level: 0x00000001 (1) > Link detected: yes > [root at ELD-0506-LT01 ~]# ethtool eth1 > Settings for eth1: > Supported ports: [ MII ] > Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full > 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full > > > > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:01:02:FD:35:98 > inet addr:10.11.150.6 Bcast:10.11.150.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 > inet6 addr: fe80::201:2ff:fefd:3598/64 Scope:Link > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:175637 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:1 frame:0 > TX packets:31873 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:16627274 (15.8 MiB) TX bytes:41815631 (39.8 MiB) > Interrupt:50 Base address:0x4f80 > > eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:13:72:9D:D6:4E > inet addr:10.11.150.5 Bcast:10.11.150.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 > inet6 addr: fe80::213:72ff:fe9d:d64e/64 Scope:Link > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:64355 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:85 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:6 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:5365069 (5.1 MiB) TX bytes:16208 (15.8 KiB) > Interrupt:169 > > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 > RX packets:2570 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:2570 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > RX bytes:3874647 (3.6 MiB) TX bytes:3874647 (3.6 MiB) > > 1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full > Supports auto-negotiation: Yes > Advertised link modes: Not reported > Advertised auto-negotiation: No > Speed: 100Mb/s > Duplex: Full > Port: Twisted Pair > PHYAD: 1 > Transceiver: internal > Auto-negotiation: off > Supports Wake-on: g > Wake-on: d > Current message level: 0x000000ff (255) > Link detected: yes > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 22 22:57:24 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:57:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Local Devices are Cool !!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <300389.7651.qm@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Krsnendu, My parents have a cheapo card reader that worked in Linux w/ no special configuration (it shows up as /dev/sda* and is automounted in Ubuntu). Sometime this week I'll try the SD card from my Canon camera in their card reader and see what happens. I'll report back to the list. I'll get you the model # of their card reader, too. -Rob --- Krsnendu dasa wrote: > I have a Canon camera too. Do all card readers work > or does it need a > special linux driver? > > On 23/12/06, Dan Young > wrote: > > > > Rob Owens wrote: > > > As expected, it did *not* work with my Canon > A530 > > > digital camera. On a standalone desktop > machine, this > > > camera does not get mounted as a removable > drive, but > > > relies on some special import method performed > by > > > gphoto (I think it's gphoto, anyway.) Are there > any > > > workarounds for this type of camera? I'd love > to be > > > able to use it on my thin clients. > > > > Doubtful. The ltspfs fuse module deals w/ > mountable filesystems. Looks > > like that Canon doesn't have a "mass storage" > mode, but uses PTP instead. > > > > Don't know if USB/IP has gone anywhere. There is > GPL'ed code out there > > to extend USB device sharing over an IP network. > Looks like the website > > disappeared. > > > > I'd buy a cheap card reader. > > > > -- > > Dan Young > > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > > 503-257-1562 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 22 22:59:04 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:59:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] local CD burning? Message-ID: <781211.81830.qm@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does enabling local devices allow me to burn CD's locally? I'd try it but I don't have burners in any of my thin clients, and I don't have any spares hanging around... Thanks -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From k12ltsp at trinityschool.org.uk Sat Dec 23 01:27:19 2006 From: k12ltsp at trinityschool.org.uk (Peter Deakin) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 01:27:19 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] More oddities with K12LTSP 6.0 rc2 In-Reply-To: <458C234E.40104@trinityschool.org.uk> References: <458B25E7.8070502@hvja.org> <458C234E.40104@trinityschool.org.uk> Message-ID: <458C85F7.2060709@trinityschool.org.uk> I have done a standard install ltsp 6 rc2, setting host name to LTSP-2 using 192.168.0.254 setting DNS and default gateway. on first boot sendmail took about 2 min to start and smclient about a 1 min. everything seem OK workstations booted up and I was able to log on with the one account I had created. Investigating sendmail I noted that the /etc/hosts had some strange entries at the beginning something like: ...8 loclhost.localdomain, this was repeated. There was no 127.0.0.1 and LTSP-2 had an IP of 208.67.(can't remember the rest, think it ended in 40)-this was similar to the DNS serevers(208.67.222.222) that I entered at install. I edited hosts file as below 127.0.0.1 LTSP-2 localhost.localdomain localhost 192.168.0.1 ws001.ltsp ws001 192.168.0.2 ws002.ltsp ws002 etc to 192.168.0.253 ws253.ltsp ws253 192.168.0.254 server.ltsp server rebooted the server and sendmail loaded without any problems but now when I try to log on with a user the home folder can't be found. I ran ltspadmin and it reported that /etc/hosts /etc/hosts.allow /etc/exports were not configured checking the files they all seemed ok, but I ran the configuration anyway which double entered everything in those files, but ltspadmin was happy. Rebooted the server some complaints about the double entries in exports, and still no home folders. I have edited out the double entries and now ltspadmin is again reporting that those files are not configured. I have not tried it again since as I am now at home. I guess it may be just one of those odd installation glitches, or may be that odd IP address has got in some config file and editing it out of hosts has screwed things up? As there is no data on there yet I may just do a reinstall, but if anyone can shed any light as to what may have gone wrong or has an easy fix? Peter Deakin From ahodson at elp.rr.com Sat Dec 23 15:12:04 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan Hodson) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 08:12:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Quicktime challenge and FOSS support Message-ID: <1166886724.3296.9.camel@HodsonNet1> Hi folks If you have a system that can run Quicktime and have 1/2 hour or so to listen to an Open Source podcast (http://tinyurl.com/yjl88b ) please do so. The debate after the podcast has gone south, and it may be in need of a set of fresh eyes and opinions. We've all expressed our opinions verbally - maybe you can help FOSS in writing. Happy Holidays Alan Hodson TOSS Foundation El Paso, TX -=o=- From barracuda771 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 24 00:20:00 2006 From: barracuda771 at hotmail.com (Mike Murphy) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 19:20:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: _________________________________________________________________ Fixing up the home? Live Search can help. http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=wlmemailtaglinenov06 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Dec 24 08:11:51 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 00:11:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] More oddities with K12LTSP 6.0 rc2 In-Reply-To: <458C85F7.2060709@trinityschool.org.uk> References: <458B25E7.8070502@hvja.org> <458C234E.40104@trinityschool.org.uk> <458C85F7.2060709@trinityschool.org.uk> Message-ID: <458E3647.2060605@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Peter Deakin wrote: > > I have done a standard install ltsp 6 rc2, setting host name to LTSP-2 > using 192.168.0.254 > setting DNS and default gateway. on first boot sendmail took about 2 min > to start and smclient about a 1 min. > everything seem OK workstations booted up and I was able to log on with > the one account I had created. > > Investigating sendmail I noted that the /etc/hosts had some strange > entries at the beginning something like: > ...8 loclhost.localdomain, this was repeated. There was no 127.0.0.1 and > LTSP-2 had an IP of 208.67.(can't remember the rest, think it ended in > 40)-this was similar to the DNS serevers(208.67.222.222) that I entered > at install. > > I edited hosts file as below > > 127.0.0.1 LTSP-2 localhost.localdomain localhost > 192.168.0.1 ws001.ltsp ws001 > 192.168.0.2 ws002.ltsp ws002 > etc to > 192.168.0.253 ws253.ltsp ws253 > 192.168.0.254 server.ltsp server > > rebooted the server and sendmail loaded without any problems > > but now when I try to log on with a user the home folder can't be found. > > I ran ltspadmin and it reported that > > /etc/hosts > /etc/hosts.allow > /etc/exports > were not configured > > checking the files they all seemed ok, but I ran the configuration > anyway which double entered everything in those files, but ltspadmin was > happy. Rebooted the server some complaints about the double entries in > exports, and still no home folders. > > I have edited out the double entries and now ltspadmin is again > reporting that those files are not configured. I have not tried it again > since as I am now at home. I guess it may be just one of those odd > installation glitches, or may be that odd IP address has got in some > config file and editing it out of hosts has screwed things up? As there > is no data on there yet I may just do a reinstall, but if anyone can > shed any light as to what may have gone wrong or has an easy fix? > > Peter Deakin > My guess is that you selected IPv6 ("....8 localhost.localdomain" looks a lot like a IPv6 loopback address). I can envision all sorts of weird things happing if you have half your config files with a IPv4 address and the other half with a IPv6 address. If you do a reinstall, make sure not to select that you use IPv6. If this were my system, I'd run "System -> Administration -> Network" and make sure that each interface is configured properly (i.e. "Enable IPv6..." is not checked if you don't use IPv6, the correct IP/Netmask/Gateway are set on your static IP addresses, etc, etc). I'd then check that /etc/fstab, /etc/hosts, /etc/exports, /etc/resolv.conf & /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf are all correct. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Dec 24 08:20:31 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 00:20:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] A couple more oddities with K12LTSP 6.0 In-Reply-To: <458B25E7.8070502@hvja.org> References: <458B25E7.8070502@hvja.org> Message-ID: <458E384F.2060505@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Huck wrote: > sorry Erik...hope it's just me! > > on bootup I get this message: > > system message bus: unknown group netdev in message bus configuration > file... > > and...when connecting via NX Client this error: > > The panel encountered a problem while loading > "OAFIID:GNOME_SystemTrayApplet" > > and for each applet I had on the dock it gave a similar error for each. > > was unable to duplicate it after a reboot though... Both of these appear to be an upstream Fedora Core/Extras issue, not K12LTSP-specific. When I get the chance I'll try to replicate them & post them to bugzilla if they have not been reported already (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla) -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Dec 24 18:34:22 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:34:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0.0 Released Message-ID: <458EC82E.6090305@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Still looking for the perfect Christmas gift for the Spouse? K12LTSP 6.0.0 is now available for all of your gift-giving needs! It slices, it dices. And when you are finished, it makes great drink coasters. The ultimate stocking-stuffer! Hurry while supplies last! Act now and you will get your choice of CD images or DVD images in either the 32bit or 64bit flavor! All for the same low price! But wait, that is not all! The first 1,000,000,000,000 downloaders will also get free access to the new K12LTSP wiki! http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki See below for all of the exciting details! 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K12LTSP 6.0.0 DVD images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-6.0.0-64bit-dvd/ . K12LTSP 6.0.0 Release Notes =========================== K12LTSP 6.0.0 is based on Fedora Core 6, with a large number of changes including: * LTSP 4.2 update 4 * A bunch of packages from Fedora Extras * Hundreds of updated FC6 packages * A handful of K12LTSP packages, just to spice things up This release of K12LTSP is slightly different than past releases in that there is no specific "LTSP" install option. If you want do a "normal" Fedora Core 6 install from K12LTSP 6, simply uncheck the "LTSP" package group. The "Education" package group has been split up into two groups. Now there is "Eduction (K-5)" which includes tuxtype, tuxpaint, gcompris, etc for the younger kids, and there is "Education (6-12)" which includes gperiodic, qcad, etc for the older kids. Also note that if you install the LTSP package group, the DHCP and DNS use alternate configuration files: DHCP: /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf DNS: /etc/named-k12ltsp.conf Changelog ========= K12LTSP specific packages: root-desktop-urls 0.6-k12ltsp.6.0.0 - include a "Remove Icons" icon to complement the "Push Icons" icon - "Get Acrobat Reader" now fetches Acrobat Reader 7.0.8 k12ltsp-education 6.0.0-2 - split into k12ltsp-education-grades-k-5 and k12ltsp-education-grades-6-12 k12ltsp-release 6.0.0-2 k12ltsp-utils 6.0.0-2 - upgrade fix ltsp_config 0.0.41-k12ltsp.6.0.0 - remove GNOME_MixerApplet from the default panel configuration - set a new default background - disable suspend & hibernate in gnome-power-manager - font fix for flash Latest version: afio 2.5-0.k12ltsp.6.0.0 buffer 1.19-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 dansguardian 2.9.8.0-0.k12ltsp.6.0.0 fl_teachertool 0.34-2.k12ltsp.6.0.0 icewm 1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 ltsp_ltspswapd 4.2.0-0.k12ltsp.6.0.0 mindi 1.2.0-2.k12ltsp.6.0.0 mindi-busybox 1.2.1-2.fc5 mondo 2.2.0-2.k12ltsp.6.0.0 Packages from Fedora Extras: atomix 2.14.0-2.fc6 blender 2.42a-4.fc6 bluefish 1.0.7-1.fc6 cabextract 1.1-5.fc6 celestia 1.4.1-7.fc6 childsplay 0.84.1-1.fc6 drgeo 1.1.0-11.fc6 fltk 1.1.7-2.fc6 freealut 1.1.0-2.fc6 freenx 0.5.0-5.fc6 fuse 2.6.0-2.fc6 fuse-emulator 0.7.0-6.fc6 fuse-encfs 1.3.1-3.fc6 fuse-sshfs 1.7-2.fc6 gc 6.8-3.fc6 gcompris 8.2-1.fc6 gdk-pixbuf 0.22.0-30.fc6 glib 1.2.10-23.fc6 glibmm24 2.12.3-1 gnet2 2.0.7-9.fc6 gnome-theme-clearlooks-bigpack 0.6-4.fc6 gnome-themes-extras 0.9.0-5.fc6 gnucap 0.34-3.fc6 gnuchess 5.07-10.fc6 gperiodic 2.0.8-7.fc6 gtk+ 1.2.10-55.fc6 gtkglext 1.2.0-4.fc6 gtkglextmm 1.2.0-5.fc6 gtkmm24 2.10.5-1.fc6 gtk-sharp 1.0.10-12.fc6 gtypist 2.7-4.fc6 imlib 1.9.13-30.fc6 inkscape 0.44.1-2.fc6 libpng10 1.0.21-1.fc6 libsigc++20 2.0.17-2 loudmouth 1.0.5-2.fc6 ltsp-utils 0.25-4.fc6 lua 5.1.1-2.fc6 meld 1.1.4-4.fc6 nautilus-open-terminal 0.7-3.fc6 nx 2.1.0-1.fc6 openal 0.0.9-0.9.20060204cvs.fc6 OpenEXR 1.4.0a-3.fc6 ORBit 0.5.17-20.fc6 perl-Authen-SASL 2.10-1.fc6 perl-Crypt-SSLeay 0.51-12.fc6 perl-DateManip 5.44-2.fc6 perl-Parse-Yapp 1.05-36.fc6 perl-GSSAPI 0.23-2.fc6 perl-Mail-Alias 1.12-7.fc6 perl-String-ShellQuote 1.03-3.fc6 perl-X11-Protocol 0.55-5.fc6 perl-XML-DOM 1.44-2.fc6 perl-XML-RegExp 0.03-2.fc6 perl-XML-XQL 0.68-3.fc6 plotutils 2.5-3.fc6 pygame 1.7.1-9.fc6 qcad 2.0.5.0-5.fc6 sabayon 2.12.4-4.fc6 scribus 1.3.3.6-1.fc6 SDL_gfx 2.0.13-7.fc6 SDL_image 1.2.5-3.fc6 SDL_mixer 1.2.7-2.fc6 SDL_net 1.2.6-2.fc6 SDL_Pango 0.1.2-4.fc6 SDL_ttf 2.0.8-2.fc6 skencil 0.6.17-8.fc6 squidGuard 1.2.0-14.fc6 tuxpaint 0.9.15b-4.fc6 tuxpaint-stamps 2005.11.25-1.fc6 tuxtype2 1.5.3-2.fc6 vnc-ltsp-config 4.0-3 vnc-reflector 1.2.4-2.fc6 xboard-4.2.7 16.fc6 xscreensaver-base 5.01-3.fc6 yumex 1.2.1-1.0.fc6 Fedora Core 6 Updates: a2ps 4.13b-57.fc6.3 am-utils 6.1.5-4.1.fc6 anacron 2.3-44.fc6 arpwatch 2.1a13-16.fc6 arts 1.5.5-0.1.fc6 at 3.1.8-84.fc6 audit 1.3-2.fc6 authconfig 5.3.12-1.fc6 autofs 5.0.1-0.rc2.36 avahi 0.6.15-1.fc6 beagle 0.2.13-1.fc6 bind 9.3.3-0.1.rc3.fc6 bluez-gnome 0.6-1.fc6 bluez-utils 3.7-2 boost 1.33.1-10.fc6 bouncycastle 1.34-2.fc6 bug-buddy 2.16.0-3.fc6 caching-nameserver 9.3.3-0.1.rc3.fc6 cairo 1.2.6-1.fc6 checkpolicy 1.33.1-2.fc6 control-center 2.16.0-11.fc6 coreutils 5.97-12.2.fc6 cpio 2.6-21.fc6 cpuspeed 1.2.1-1.42.fc6 cups 1.2.7-1.3.fc6 cvs 1.11.22-6.fc6 dbus 1.0.1-8.fc6 desktop-printing 0.19-18.fc6 dhcp 3.0.5-1.fc6 dogtail 0.6.1-1.fc6 dovecot 1.0-1.rc15.fc6 doxygen 1.5.1-1 dvd+rw-tools 7.0-0.fc6.2 e2fsprogs 1.39-7.fc6 eclipse 3.2.1-23.fc6 eel2 2.16.1-1.fc6 eject 2.1.5-4.1.fc6 elinks 0.11.1-5.1 evince 0.6.0-5.fc6 evolution 2.8.2.1-2.fc6 fetchmail 6.3.4-2 firefox 1.5.0.8-1.fc6 fonts-bengali 2.0.10-1.fc6 fonts-gujarati 2.0.10-1.fc6 fonts-hindi 2.0.10-1.fc6 fonts-japanese 0.20061016-1.fc6 fonts-kannada 2.0.10-1.fc6 fonts-malayalam 2.0.10-1.fc6 fonts-oriya 2.0.10-1.fc6 fonts-punjabi 2.0.10-1.fc6 fonts-tamil 2.0.10-1.fc6 fonts-telugu 2.0.10-1.fc6 foomatic 3.0.2-39.1.fc6 fortune-mod 1.99.1-7.fc6 freeradius 1.1.3-1.1 freetype 2.2.1-16.fc6 frysk 0.0.1.2006.12.01.rh1-1.fc6 gaim 2.0.0-0.26.beta5.fc6 gamin 0.1.7-8.fc6 gcalctool 5.8.25-1.fc6 gdb 6.5-15.fc6 gdm 2.16.4-1.fc6 ghostscript 8.15.3-1.fc6 gjdoc 0.7.7-14.fc6 glx-utils 6.5.1-8.fc6 gmp 4.1.4-9.fc6 gnome-applets 2.16.0.1-10.fc6 gnome-bluetooth 0.7.0-11.fc6 gnome-icon-theme 2.16.0.1-3.fc6 gnome-libs 1.4.2-3.fc6 gnome-panel 2.16.1-3.fc6 gnome-pilot 2.0.15-1.fc6 gnome-power-manager 2.16.0-4.fc6 gnome-python2 2.16.2-1.fc6 gnome-screensaver 2.16.1-2.fc6 gnome-session 2.16.0-7.fc6 gnome-vfs2 2.16.2-2.fc6 gnome-volume-manager 2.15.0-4.fc6 gnucash 2.0.2-1.fc6 gnupg 1.4.6-2 gpart 0.1h-4.fc6 grep 2.5.1-54.1.2.fc6 gstreamer 0.10.10-2.fc6 gtk2 2.10.4-6.fc6 gtkhtml3 3.12.2-1.fc6 hal 0.5.8.1-5.fc6 hardlink 1.0-2.fc6 hpijs 1.6.10-1.fc6.4 hplip 1.6.10-1.fc6.4 hsqldb 1.8.0.4-4jpp.1 htmlview 3.0.0-15.fc6 hwbrowser 0.29-1.fc6 ImageMagick 6.2.8.0-3.fc6.1 info 4.8-14.fc6 initscripts 8.45.7-1 iproute 2.6.19-1.fc6 irqbalance 0.55-2.fc6 iscsi-initiator-utils 6.2.0.747-0.0.fc6 jpilot 0.99.8-8.fc6 jwhois 3.2.3-8.fc6 k3b 0.12.17-1 kdeaccessibility 3.5.5-0.1.fc6 kdeaddons 3.5.5-0.1.fc6 kdeadmin 3.5.5-0.1.fc6 kdeartwork 3.5.5-0.1.fc6 kdebase 3.5.5-0.4.fc6 kdebindings 3.5.5-0.1.fc6 kdeedu 3.5.5-0.1.fc6 kdegames 3.5.5-0.1.fc6 kdegraphics 3.5.5-0.1.fc6 kde-i18n 3.5.5-0.1.fc6 kdelibs 3.5.5-0.2.fc6 kdemultimedia 3.5.5-0.1.fc6 kdenetwork 3.5.5-0.1.fc6 kdepim 3.5.5-0.2.fc6 kdesdk 3.5.5-0.1.fc6 kdeutils 3.5.5-0.1.fc6 kdevelop 3.3.5-0.1.fc6 kdewebdev 3.5.5-0.1.fc6 kernel 2.6.18-1.2868.fc6 kudzu 1.2.57.6-1 libbdevid-python 5.1.19.0.2-1 libbeagle 0.2.13-1.fc6 libdhcp4client 3.0.5-1.fc6 libdrm 2.3.0-1.fc6 libgconf-java 2.12.4-5.fc6 libgsf 1.14.1-7 libgtk-java 2.8.7-2.fc6 libiec61883 1.1.0-1.fc6 libnotify 0.4.2-5.fc6 libpcap 0.9.4-9.fc6 librsvg2 2.16.1-1.fc6 libsane-hpaio 1.6.10-1.fc6.4 libselinux 1.33.2-3.fc6 libsepol 1.15.3-1.fc6 libsoup 2.2.98-1.fc6 libswt3-gtk2 3.2.1-23.fc6 libvirt 0.1.9-1.fc6 libvte-java 0.12.1-5.fc6 libX11 1.0.3-5.fc6 libxklavier 3.0-2.fc6 libxml2 2.6.27-1.FC6 libxslt 1.1.18-1.FC6 logwatch 7.3-6.fc6 m17n-db 1.3.3-41.fc6 man-pages-fr 2.39-6.fc6 mc 4.6.1a-35.fc6 mesa 6.5.1-8.fc6 mikmod 3.1.6-39.fc6 mkinitrd 5.1.19.0.2-1 mlocate 0.15-0.fc6.1 mod_auth_kerb 5.3-2.fc6 mod_dav_svn 1.4.2-2.fc6 mutt 1.4.2.2-5.fc6 mysql 5.0.27-1.fc6 nash 5.1.19.0.2-1 nautilus 2.16.2-5.fc6 nautilus-cd-burner 2.16.0-6.fc6 nautilus-extensions 2.16.2-5.fc6 net-snmp 5.3.1-12.fc6 nfs-utils 1.0.10-5.fc6 nspr 4.6.4-0.6.fc6 nss 3.11.4-0.6.fc6 ntp 4.2.2p4-2.fc6 openoffice.org 2.0.4-5.5.3 openssh 4.3p2-14.fc6 openssl 0.9.8b-8.3.fc6 oprofile 0.9.2-3.fc6 ORBit2 2.14.3-4.fc6 pam_mount 0.17-5.fc6 pango 1.14.8-1.fc6 paps 0.6.6-17.fc6 parted 1.7.1-17.fc6 perl-PDL 2.4.2-6.fc6 php 5.1.6-3.3.fc6 pirut 1.2.8-1.fc6 planner 0.14.2-1.fc6 policycoreutils 1.33.6-3.fc6 poppler 0.5.4-3.fc6 ppp 2.4.4-1.fc6 pstoedit 3.44-5.fc6 pycairo 1.2.6-1.fc6 pygobject2 2.12.3-1.fc6 pygtk2 2.10.3-3.fc6 python 2.4.4-1.fc6 pyxdg 0.15-3.fc6 qt 3.3.7-0.1.fc6 rdesktop 1.5.0-1 recode 3.6-22.fc6 redhat-menus 6.7.8-2.fc6 rhgb 0.16.4-3.fc6 rhythmbox 0.9.5-8.fc6 rsh 0.17-38.fc6 ruby 1.8.5.2-1.fc6 scim 1.4.4-36.fc6 scim-anthy 1.2.2-1.fc6 screen 4.0.3-1.fc6 SDL 1.2.10-8.fc6 seamonkey 1.0.6-0.6.2.fc6 selinux-policy 2.4.6-7.fc6 setools 3.0-2.fc6 shadow-utils 4.0.17-10.fc6 spamassassin 3.1.7-1.fc6 speex 1.2-0.1.beta1.fc6 subversion 1.4.2-2.fc6 swig 1.3.31-0.fc6 sysstat 7.0.0-3.fc6 system-config-date 1.8.8-1.fc6 system-config-httpd 1.4.1-1.fc6 system-config-kickstart 2.6.17-1.fc6 system-config-network 1.3.96-1.fc6 system-config-printer 0.7.40-1.fc6 system-config-soundcard 2.0.5-2.fc6 system-config-users 1.2.47-1.fc6 systemtap 0.5.10-1.fc6 tar 1.15.1-22.fc6 tcpdump 3.9.4-9.fc6 tcsh 6.14-12 texinfo 4.8-14.fc6 thunderbird 1.5.0.8-1.fc6 tkinter 2.4.4-1.fc6 totem 2.16.3-1.fc6 traceroute 2.0.2-1.fc6 tsclient 0.148-5.fc6 tzdata 2006p-1.fc6 util-linux 2.13-0.45.3.fc6 vino 2.13.5-6.fc6 virt-manager 0.2.6-2.fc6 vnc 4.1.2-8.fc6 vnc-server 4.1.2-8.fc6 vorbis-tools 1.1.1-3.fc6 vte 0.14.1-1.fc6 wireshark 0.99.4-1.fc6 wpa_supplicant 0.4.9-1.fc6 xorg-x11-drv-ati 6.6.3-1.fc6 xorg-x11-drv-i810 1.6.5-10.fc6 xorg-x11-drv-s3 0.5.0-1.fc6 xorg-x11-drv-tdfx 1.3.0-2.fc6 xorg-x11-server-sdk 1.1.1-47.2.fc6 xorg-x11-server-Xdmx 1.1.1-47.2.fc6 xorg-x11-server-Xnest 1.1.1-47.2.fc6 xorg-x11-server-Xorg 1.1.1-47.2.fc6 xorg-x11-server-Xvfb 1.1.1-47.2.fc6 xorg-x11-xinit 1.0.2-15.fc6 xsane 0.991-4.fc6 yelp 2.16.0-10.fc6 ypbind 1.19-6.fc6 yum 3.0.1-2.fc6 From tkathan at charter.net Sun Dec 24 19:28:22 2006 From: tkathan at charter.net (Jim Kathan) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 11:28:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0.0 Released In-Reply-To: <458EC82E.6090305@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <000701c72791$ad5ca6a0$4000a8c0@themm> Thanks Eric, and Merry Christmas -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 10:34 AM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 6.0.0 Released Still looking for the perfect Christmas gift for the Spouse? K12LTSP 6.0.0 is now available for all of your gift-giving needs! It slices, it dices. And when you are finished, it makes great drink coasters. The ultimate stocking-stuffer! Hurry while supplies last! Act now and you will get your choice of CD images or DVD images in either the 32bit or 64bit flavor! All for the same low price! But wait, that is not all! The first 1,000,000,000,000 downloaders will also get free access to the new K12LTSP wiki! http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki See below for all of the exciting details! Get yours today at: K12LTSP 6.0.0 ISO images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, Athlon, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/6.0.0-32bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-6.0.0-32bit/ . K12LTSP 6.0.0 ISO images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/6.0.0-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-6.0.0-64bit/ . K12LTSP 6.0.0 DVD images for 32bit servers (PIII, P4, older Xeon, Athlon, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/6.0.0-32bit/dvd/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-6.0.0-32bit-dvd/ . K12LTSP 6.0.0 DVD images for 64bit servers (newer Xeons, Opteron, Athlon64, etc) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/6.0.0-64bit/dvd/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-6.0.0-64bit-dvd/ . K12LTSP 6.0.0 Release Notes =========================== K12LTSP 6.0.0 is based on Fedora Core 6, with a large number of changes including: * LTSP 4.2 update 4 * A bunch of packages from Fedora Extras * Hundreds of updated FC6 packages * A handful of K12LTSP packages, just to spice things up This release of K12LTSP is slightly different than past releases in that there is no specific "LTSP" install option. If you want do a "normal" Fedora Core 6 install from K12LTSP 6, simply uncheck the "LTSP" package group. The "Education" package group has been split up into two groups. Now there is "Eduction (K-5)" which includes tuxtype, tuxpaint, gcompris, etc for the younger kids, and there is "Education (6-12)" which includes gperiodic, qcad, etc for the older kids. Also note that if you install the LTSP package group, the DHCP and DNS use alternate configuration files: DHCP: /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf DNS: /etc/named-k12ltsp.conf Changelog ========= K12LTSP specific packages: root-desktop-urls 0.6-k12ltsp.6.0.0 - include a "Remove Icons" icon to complement the "Push Icons" icon - "Get Acrobat Reader" now fetches Acrobat Reader 7.0.8 k12ltsp-education 6.0.0-2 - split into k12ltsp-education-grades-k-5 and k12ltsp-education-grades-6-12 k12ltsp-release 6.0.0-2 k12ltsp-utils 6.0.0-2 - upgrade fix ltsp_config 0.0.41-k12ltsp.6.0.0 - remove GNOME_MixerApplet from the default panel configuration - set a new default background - disable suspend & hibernate in gnome-power-manager - font fix for flash Latest version: afio 2.5-0.k12ltsp.6.0.0 buffer 1.19-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 dansguardian 2.9.8.0-0.k12ltsp.6.0.0 fl_teachertool 0.34-2.k12ltsp.6.0.0 icewm 1.2.28-1.k12ltsp.6.0.0 ltsp_ltspswapd 4.2.0-0.k12ltsp.6.0.0 mindi 1.2.0-2.k12ltsp.6.0.0 mindi-busybox 1.2.1-2.fc5 mondo 2.2.0-2.k12ltsp.6.0.0 Packages from Fedora Extras: atomix 2.14.0-2.fc6 blender 2.42a-4.fc6 bluefish 1.0.7-1.fc6 cabextract 1.1-5.fc6 celestia 1.4.1-7.fc6 childsplay 0.84.1-1.fc6 drgeo 1.1.0-11.fc6 fltk 1.1.7-2.fc6 freealut 1.1.0-2.fc6 freenx 0.5.0-5.fc6 fuse 2.6.0-2.fc6 fuse-emulator 0.7.0-6.fc6 fuse-encfs 1.3.1-3.fc6 fuse-sshfs 1.7-2.fc6 gc 6.8-3.fc6 gcompris 8.2-1.fc6 gdk-pixbuf 0.22.0-30.fc6 glib 1.2.10-23.fc6 glibmm24 2.12.3-1 gnet2 2.0.7-9.fc6 gnome-theme-clearlooks-bigpack 0.6-4.fc6 gnome-themes-extras 0.9.0-5.fc6 gnucap 0.34-3.fc6 gnuchess 5.07-10.fc6 gperiodic 2.0.8-7.fc6 gtk+ 1.2.10-55.fc6 gtkglext 1.2.0-4.fc6 gtkglextmm 1.2.0-5.fc6 gtkmm24 2.10.5-1.fc6 gtk-sharp 1.0.10-12.fc6 gtypist 2.7-4.fc6 imlib 1.9.13-30.fc6 inkscape 0.44.1-2.fc6 libpng10 1.0.21-1.fc6 libsigc++20 2.0.17-2 loudmouth 1.0.5-2.fc6 ltsp-utils 0.25-4.fc6 lua 5.1.1-2.fc6 meld 1.1.4-4.fc6 nautilus-open-terminal 0.7-3.fc6 nx 2.1.0-1.fc6 openal 0.0.9-0.9.20060204cvs.fc6 OpenEXR 1.4.0a-3.fc6 ORBit 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When I put the SD card from my Canon A530 in the card reader, I was able to view the pictures no problem (I did not need to use the "import photos" wizard that is required if I hook the camera up directly to the computer). Therefore I expect that I'd be able to use the card reader on a thin client w/ no issues, although I did not test it. -Rob --- Rob Owens wrote: > Krsnendu, > > My parents have a cheapo card reader that worked in > Linux w/ no special configuration (it shows up as > /dev/sda* and is automounted in Ubuntu). Sometime > this week I'll try the SD card from my Canon camera > in > their card reader and see what happens. I'll report > back to the list. > > I'll get you the model # of their card reader, too. > > -Rob > > --- Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > > I have a Canon camera too. Do all card readers > work > > or does it need a > > special linux driver? > > > > On 23/12/06, Dan Young > > wrote: > > > > > > Rob Owens wrote: > > > > As expected, it did *not* work with my Canon > > A530 > > > > digital camera. On a standalone desktop > > machine, this > > > > camera does not get mounted as a removable > > drive, but > > > > relies on some special import method performed > > by > > > > gphoto (I think it's gphoto, anyway.) Are > there > > any > > > > workarounds for this type of camera? I'd love > > to be > > > > able to use it on my thin clients. > > > > > > Doubtful. The ltspfs fuse module deals w/ > > mountable filesystems. Looks > > > like that Canon doesn't have a "mass storage" > > mode, but uses PTP instead. > > > > > > Don't know if USB/IP has gone anywhere. There is > > GPL'ed code out there > > > to extend USB device sharing over an IP network. > > Looks like the website > > > disappeared. > > > > > > I'd buy a cheap card reader. > > > > > > -- > > > Dan Young > > > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > > > 503-257-1562 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Dec 26 13:54:33 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 07:54:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] The Dreaded DHCP on port 1067 Message-ID: <40515.216.24.126.68.1167141273.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Dan, For using dhcp on port the following will work for k12ltsp.This is a copy/paste from my dhcpd.sh in the init.d folder( dhcp's startup script). All you need to do is copy paste this into gedit>save as> dhcpd.sh> drop into your /etc/init.d folder>then> service dhcpd restart. You will see a few extra lines when dhcpd restarts that you didnt see before. This is NORMAL,,,. Next simply go to wwwDOTrom-o-maticDOTnet and choose the etherboot image for your particular NIC,> Choose option #3 to customize the boot image your are downloading,then select from the variables the "port 1067" and download this .zdsk image. Now your boot floppy will coincide with your servers 1067 serving port for dhcp.You can do the same seqeunce for example if you have rom chips as well on your nics. Copy /Paste the following> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ #!/bin/sh # # dhcpd This shell script takes care of starting and stopping # dhcpd. # # chkconfig: - 65 35 # description: dhcpd provide access to Dynamic Host Control Protocol. # Added by Barry DHCPORT="1067" # Source function library. . /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions # Source networking configuration. . /etc/sysconfig/network . /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd # Check that networking is up. [ ${NETWORKING} = "no" ] && exit 0 [ -f /usr/sbin/dhcpd ] || exit 0 CF='/etc/dhcpd.conf' if [[ "$DHCPDARGS" = *-cf* ]]; then CF=`echo $DHCPDARGS | sed 's/^.*-cf[\ \ ]*//;s/[\ \ ].*$//';`; fi; [ -f "$CF" ] || exit 0 if [ ! -f /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases ] ; then touch /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases [ -x /sbin/restorecon ] && [ -d /selinux ] && /sbin/restorecon /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases fi RETVAL=0 # Added By Barry # commented the following line(origconfig) #prog="dhcpd" # Added by Barry prog= dhcpd -p $DHCPORT configtest() { CFA='' if [[ "$DHCPDARGS" = *-cf* ]]; then CFA=`echo $DHCPDARGS | sed 's/^.*-cf[\ \ ]*/-cf/;s/[\ \ ].*$//;s/-cf/-cf /'`; fi; /usr/sbin/dhcpd -q -t $CFA return $? } start() { # Start daemons. echo -n $"Starting $prog: " daemon /usr/sbin/dhcpd ${DHCPDARGS} 2>/dev/null RETVAL=$? echo if [ $RETVAL -eq 0 ]; then touch /var/lock/subsys/dhcpd if [ -x /usr/bin/logger ]; then /usr/bin/logger -t dhcpd 'dhcpd startup succeeded' fi; else if [ -x /usr/bin/logger ]; then /usr/bin/logger -t dhcpd 'dhcpd startup failed' fi; fi return $RETVAL } stop() { # Stop daemons. echo -n $"Shutting down $prog: " killproc dhcpd RETVAL=$? echo if [ $RETVAL -eq 0 ]; then rm -f /var/lock/subsys/dhcpd if [ -x /usr/bin/logger ]; then /usr/bin/logger -t dhcpd 'dhcpd shutdown succeeded' fi; else if [ -x /usr/bin/logger ]; then /usr/bin/logger -t dhcpd 'dhcpd shutdown failed' fi; fi return $RETVAL } # See how we were called. case "$1" in start) start ;; stop) stop ;; restart|reload) configtest || exit $? stop start RETVAL=$? ;; condrestart) if [ -f /var/lock/subsys/dhcpd ]; then stop start RETVAL=$? fi ;; configtest) configtest RETVAL=$? ;; status) status dhcpd RETVAL=$? ;; *) echo $"Usage: $0 {start|stop|restart|condrestart|configtest|status}" exit 1 esac exit $RETVAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------- You can see the lines i edited to make dhcp work on port 1067.( I have to do this to remind myself how i made it work. I'm getting too old!). There are only two lines you need to change in the dhcpd.sh file Make sure the permissions on this file is 755 when you drop or edit your dhcpd.sh file into the /etc/init.d folder.!!!! Hope this helps. Barry Cisna westcentral school From petre at maltzen.net Tue Dec 26 15:03:11 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 09:03:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] client resolution using vesa driver Message-ID: <459139AF.50301@maltzen.net> I've installed FC6 (K12LTSP but without installing the LTSP parts) on a machine that I also use as a client for my K12LTSP 5 server. The FC6 correctly detects the Via video chipset on the motherboard, and in the xorg.conf file it uses the vesa driver. With this, it gives me a 1600x1200 resolution, which I like. However, as a client to my K12LTSP 5 server, during bootup, it says it cannot identify the video hardware and so it is falling back to using the vesa driver. That would seem to be okay since that's what the FC6 is using. But I can't get the resolution to be any higher than 800x600, despite various changes in the lts.conf file. Why would that be, since both are using the vesa driver? Petre From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Dec 26 15:18:02 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:18:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] The Dreaded DHCP on port 1067 In-Reply-To: <40515.216.24.126.68.1167141273.squirrel@216.24.126.68> References: <40515.216.24.126.68.1167141273.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: <2288.71.225.82.155.1167146282.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Most importantly..you need to add an option 128 and an option 129 to tell the d/led kernel that dhcp will be on port 1067..that is what is missing since first dhcp is fine..option option 129 "DPORT=1067";PLease CHECK SYntax.. FOR HELP LOOK FOR ALERNATE DHCP ARTICLE BY BHASKAR MANDA on the old ltsp.org site chuick > Dan, > > For using dhcp on port the following will work for k12ltsp.This is a > copy/paste from my dhcpd.sh in the init.d folder( dhcp's startup script). > All you need to do is copy paste this into gedit>save as> dhcpd.sh> drop > into your /etc/init.d folder>then> service dhcpd restart. You will see a > few extra lines when dhcpd restarts that you didnt see before. This is > NORMAL,,,. > Next simply go to wwwDOTrom-o-maticDOTnet and choose the etherboot image > for your particular NIC,> Choose option #3 to customize the boot image > your are downloading,then select from the variables the "port 1067" and > download this .zdsk image. Now your boot floppy will coincide with your > servers 1067 serving port for dhcp.You can do the same seqeunce for > example if you have rom chips as well on your nics. > > Copy /Paste the following> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > #!/bin/sh > # > # dhcpd This shell script takes care of starting and stopping > # dhcpd. > # > # chkconfig: - 65 35 > # description: dhcpd provide access to Dynamic Host Control Protocol. > > # Added by Barry > DHCPORT="1067" > > # Source function library. > . /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions > > # Source networking configuration. > . /etc/sysconfig/network > . /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd > > # Check that networking is up. > [ ${NETWORKING} = "no" ] && exit 0 > > [ -f /usr/sbin/dhcpd ] || exit 0 > CF='/etc/dhcpd.conf' > if [[ "$DHCPDARGS" = *-cf* ]]; then > CF=`echo $DHCPDARGS | sed 's/^.*-cf[\ \ ]*//;s/[\ \ ].*$//';`; > fi; > [ -f "$CF" ] || exit 0 > if [ ! -f /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases ] ; then > touch /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases > [ -x /sbin/restorecon ] && [ -d /selinux ] && /sbin/restorecon > /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases > fi > RETVAL=0 > # Added By Barry # commented the following line(origconfig) > #prog="dhcpd" > # Added by Barry > prog= dhcpd -p $DHCPORT > > configtest() > { > CFA='' > if [[ "$DHCPDARGS" = *-cf* ]]; then > CFA=`echo $DHCPDARGS | sed 's/^.*-cf[\ \ ]*/-cf/;s/[\ > \ ].*$//;s/-cf/-cf /'`; > fi; > /usr/sbin/dhcpd -q -t $CFA > return $? > } > > start() { > # Start daemons. > echo -n $"Starting $prog: " > daemon /usr/sbin/dhcpd ${DHCPDARGS} 2>/dev/null > RETVAL=$? > echo > if [ $RETVAL -eq 0 ]; then > touch /var/lock/subsys/dhcpd > if [ -x /usr/bin/logger ]; then > /usr/bin/logger -t dhcpd 'dhcpd startup succeeded' > fi; > else > if [ -x /usr/bin/logger ]; then > /usr/bin/logger -t dhcpd 'dhcpd startup failed' > fi; > fi > return $RETVAL > } > > stop() { > # Stop daemons. > echo -n $"Shutting down $prog: " > killproc dhcpd > RETVAL=$? > echo > if [ $RETVAL -eq 0 ]; then > rm -f /var/lock/subsys/dhcpd > if [ -x /usr/bin/logger ]; then > /usr/bin/logger -t dhcpd 'dhcpd shutdown succeeded' > fi; > else > if [ -x /usr/bin/logger ]; then > /usr/bin/logger -t dhcpd 'dhcpd shutdown failed' > fi; > fi > return $RETVAL > } > > # See how we were called. > case "$1" in > start) > start > ;; > stop) > stop > ;; > restart|reload) > configtest || exit $? > stop > start > RETVAL=$? > ;; > condrestart) > if [ -f /var/lock/subsys/dhcpd ]; then > stop > start > RETVAL=$? > fi > ;; > configtest) > configtest > RETVAL=$? > ;; > status) > status dhcpd > RETVAL=$? > ;; > *) > echo $"Usage: $0 {start|stop|restart|condrestart|configtest|status}" > exit 1 > esac > > exit $RETVAL > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can see the lines i edited to make dhcp work on port 1067.( I have to > do this to remind myself how i made it work. I'm getting too old!). > There are only two lines you need to change in the dhcpd.sh file > Make sure the permissions on this file is 755 when you drop or edit your > dhcpd.sh file into the /etc/init.d folder.!!!! > > Hope this helps. > > Barry Cisna > westcentral school > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From baci at harborcityschool.org Tue Dec 26 16:05:52 2006 From: baci at harborcityschool.org (Chris Bacigalupo) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:05:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Google Earth In-Reply-To: <5243750.1167131946399.JavaMail.?@fh1040.dia.cp.net> References: <5243750.1167131946399.JavaMail.?@fh1040.dia.cp.net> Message-ID: <1167149152.4711.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've tried it. It does work..very slowly. No 3d support. Which gets me to a question, would I need a 3d card on my sever and an exact duplicate on the terminal for this to work? On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 11:19 +0000, kjetil at knudsen.gs wrote: > > Has anyone tried Google Earth on K12LTSP? > < > It works.. But with some bugs.. > http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html > Kjetil Knudsen > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jam at mcquil.com Tue Dec 26 16:11:01 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:11:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Google Earth In-Reply-To: <1167149152.4711.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <5243750.1167131946399.JavaMail.?@fh1040.dia.cp.net> <1167149152.4711.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45914995.70307@McQuil.com> Chris Bacigalupo wrote: > I've tried it. It does work..very slowly. No 3d support. Which gets me > to a question, would I need a 3d card on my sever and an exact duplicate > on the terminal for this to work? Whatever you display on your workstation monitor has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the video card in your server. There is no connection at all. You could even take the video card out of your server, and your workstation wouldn't know the difference. If you are looking to improve the 3d performance on your workstation, you could try enabling glx in lts.conf: X4_MODULE_01 = glx Although I suspect you still won't get max performance that way. Ultimately, what you'll need to do is run google earth as a local app. This is something that is going to be an awful lot easier with LTSP-5. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From nadavkav at gmail.com Tue Dec 26 18:33:12 2006 From: nadavkav at gmail.com (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 20:33:12 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2 on K12LTSP 5.0.0 In-Reply-To: <458194ED.8010306@snarlnet.com> References: <458194ED.8010306@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <4219988b0612261033i61703d7duf619f3bd994f3f8c@mail.gmail.com> i have a problem with the patch :-( i use Vibra16 which is an isapnp card (Sound Blaster compatible) and i get allot of errors on boot time trying to load its module sb in lts.conf i use SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" to load it. it use to load before the upgrade and when i checked it locally it made some sound when esd server loaded. now, i can't load the esd server. i get "invalid value for card, no such device" any ideas ? On 12/14/06, Carl Keil wrote: > > Thanks for all the information. 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I'll give this a try. > > > > ck > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Dec 26 20:55:25 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:55:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Thanks to FreeGeek.. Message-ID: <45918C3D.1090203@paasda.org> HVJA-the latest school I've installed K12LTSP at(first LDAP/SMB I've done thanks to Cliebow's saving tip) got a grant for diskless workstations. Got 20 machines from them and was able to build out an entire lab for under $5500, inclusive of the big nasty APC UPS for the server, and switches. So just for comparison if I were going with $500 workstations all self-contained and no server it would have cost $10000. Thus we've just saved $4500 and all of the licensing fees associated with any of the software(not to mention we wouldn't have a server for authentication/home directories/file sharing/etc). Yay is all I can say and THANK YOU FREEGEEK! http://freegeek.org/grants.php there's a link to their grant request page...for any interested. --Huck From brcisna at eazylivin.net Tue Dec 26 22:15:05 2006 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:15:05 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] The Dreaded DHCP on port 1067 Message-ID: <36313.192.168.254.3.1167171305.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Cliebow, Good call. I forgot to add that in my how to,,sorry,, Seems I'm going to have to fire my proof reader!!! Yep, if the option option-129 "DPORT 1067" is not in the dhcpd.conf file nothings going to work. I also have : option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00 on a line above the option option 129 line. I'm not sure this is necessary in newer versions of K12LTSP? My build for this is on K12LTSP 4.4.1. You may as well throw this in,,,cause it works on mine. Take Care, Barry From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Tue Dec 26 23:01:57 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:01:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Keyboard Multiple Taps In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0612190652nb72b9ecobcd8c375a9b96a69@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0612190652nb72b9ecobcd8c375a9b96a69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061226180157.1ec3a089@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 09:52:25 -0500 "Timothy Hart" wrote: > I have a couple of thin clients that type a key multiple times for > each tap on the keyboard. As you can imagine this makes it a little > hard to logon. :-) Different keyboards don't seem to matter. Tried USB > and PS2. This issue also seems to happen only to HPs and Compaqs. > Something LTSP is guessing wrong about these junker clients? > > I found this thread from 2002 on the list ( > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2002-December/msg00263.html) but > it didn't really help me much. > > Anyone have an idea? > > Tim There has been a lot of this lately (also on the LTSP list). I was one of the ones having issues. I think (been a while now) what ultimatily did it for me was: 1) Upgraded the LTSP kernel 2) Turning off power management stuff in the clients bios 3) created a seperate Boot perameter for that client that turned off all power-management stuff I search through the LTSP archive might also produce some answers for you. -- http://gentgeen.homelinux.org ############################################################# Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Tue Dec 26 23:07:22 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:07:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Local Devices are Cool !!! In-Reply-To: <965924.91622.qm@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <300389.7651.qm@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <965924.91622.qm@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061226180722.49f473ef@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 05:45:07 -0800 (PST) Rob Owens wrote: > The card reader my parents have is a Sandisk Image > Mate 12 in 1, model # SDDR-89. It is recognized in > Ubuntu w/o any special configuration. When I put the > SD card from my Canon A530 in the card reader, I was > able to view the pictures no problem (I did not need > to use the "import photos" wizard that is required if > I hook the camera up directly to the computer). > Therefore I expect that I'd be able to use the card > reader on a thin client w/ no issues, although I did > not test it. > I have the SanDisk 5 in 1 (model # SDR-99) and use it at a terminal all the time. Shows up just like any of my USB thumbdrives. -- http://gentgeen.homelinux.org ############################################################# Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Tue Dec 26 23:08:42 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:08:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] local CD burning? In-Reply-To: <781211.81830.qm@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <781211.81830.qm@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061226180842.6ec698b9@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:59:04 -0800 (PST) Rob Owens wrote: > Does enabling local devices allow me to burn CD's > locally? I'd try it but I don't have burners in any > of my thin clients, and I don't have any spares > hanging around... > > Thanks > > -Rob > > > I'd try it but I don't have burners in any > of my thin clients, Then why do you want to know ? :-) As far as I have seen on this (and the LTSP list) the answer is NO. -- http://gentgeen.homelinux.org ############################################################# Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Dec 26 23:16:18 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:16:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] The Dreaded DHCP on port 1067 In-Reply-To: <36313.192.168.254.3.1167171305.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <36313.192.168.254.3.1167171305.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <2752.71.225.82.155.1167174978.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Barry:Hi...four lines really necessary ..one each defining the options as text or string .option 128 is absolutely necessary..so that option 129 is read... ive been using port 1001/2 for five years in my schools..i can post those liness to you if you'd like when i get home..chuck > Cliebow, > > > Good call. I forgot to add that in my how to,,sorry,, Seems I'm going to > have to fire my proof reader!!! Yep, if the option option-129 "DPORT 1067" > is not in the dhcpd.conf file nothings going to work. > I also have : > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00 > on a line above the option option 129 line. I'm not sure this is necessary > in newer versions of K12LTSP? My build for this is on K12LTSP 4.4.1. > You may as well throw this in,,,cause it works on mine. > > Take Care, > > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Dec 26 23:22:43 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:22:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Thanks to FreeGeek.. In-Reply-To: <45918C3D.1090203@paasda.org> References: <45918C3D.1090203@paasda.org> Message-ID: <2752.71.225.82.155.1167175363.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Huck: i have scripts for install for redhat and now ubuntu to create skeleton database and the config files if you want to read em sometime..chuck From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Dec 26 23:27:49 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:27:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] The Dreaded DHCP on port 1067 In-Reply-To: <36313.192.168.254.3.1167171305.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <36313.192.168.254.3.1167171305.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <2818.71.225.82.155.1167175669.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> like this.. option option-128 code 128=string; option option-129 code 129=text; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "DPORT=1001"; From trey at fastmail.fm Wed Dec 27 00:23:57 2006 From: trey at fastmail.fm (Trey Sizemore) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:23:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thanks to FreeGeek.. In-Reply-To: <2752.71.225.82.155.1167175363.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <45918C3D.1090203@paasda.org> <2752.71.225.82.155.1167175363.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <20061226192357.46b4bef8@laptop.thesizemores.us> On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:22:43 -0500 (EST) cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > Huck: i have scripts for install for redhat and now ubuntu to create > skeleton database and the config files if you want to read em > sometime..chuck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I'd like to see those please...thanks! -- Cheers, Trey ---- " I changed my headlights the other day. I put in strobe lights instead! Now when I drive at night, it looks like everyone else is standing still ..." -- Steven Wright Linux laptop 2.6.16.21-0.25-default i686 GNU/Linux 7:23pm up 9 days 11:20, 6 users, load average: 1.66, 1.83, 1.17 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From timothy.hart at gmail.com Wed Dec 27 03:53:25 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:53:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Quicktime challenge and FOSS support In-Reply-To: <1166886724.3296.9.camel@HodsonNet1> References: <1166886724.3296.9.camel@HodsonNet1> Message-ID: <464c38cc0612261953m41b46227i5a95bfd67e3d1565@mail.gmail.com> Makes me wish that Apple would just support and Linux version of Quicktime. Wishful thinking. On 12/23/06, Alan Hodson wrote: > Hi folks > > If you have a system that can run Quicktime and have 1/2 hour or so to > listen to an Open Source podcast (http://tinyurl.com/yjl88b ) please do > so. The debate after the podcast has gone south, and it may be in need > of a set of fresh eyes and opinions. We've all expressed our opinions > verbally - maybe you can help FOSS in writing. > Happy Holidays > Alan Hodson > TOSS Foundation > El Paso, TX > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From timothy.hart at gmail.com Wed Dec 27 04:16:04 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 23:16:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Keyboard Multiple Taps In-Reply-To: <20061226180157.1ec3a089@localhost.localdomain> References: <464c38cc0612190652nb72b9ecobcd8c375a9b96a69@mail.gmail.com> <20061226180157.1ec3a089@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <464c38cc0612262016k162ef6eh88e0e701e06c3309@mail.gmail.com> Hmm. I wonder what power management has to do with it? Weird. I will be install 6.0 soon and will see if that fixes the issue. Tim On 12/26/06, Gentgeen wrote: > On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 09:52:25 -0500 > "Timothy Hart" wrote: > > > I have a couple of thin clients that type a key multiple times for > > each tap on the keyboard. As you can imagine this makes it a little > > hard to logon. :-) Different keyboards don't seem to matter. Tried USB > > and PS2. This issue also seems to happen only to HPs and Compaqs. > > Something LTSP is guessing wrong about these junker clients? > > > > I found this thread from 2002 on the list ( > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2002-December/msg00263.html) but > > it didn't really help me much. > > > > Anyone have an idea? > > > > Tim > > > There has been a lot of this lately (also on the LTSP list). I was one > of the ones having issues. I think (been a while now) what ultimatily > did it for me was: > 1) Upgraded the LTSP kernel > 2) Turning off power management stuff in the clients bios > 3) created a seperate Boot perameter for that client that turned off all > power-management stuff > > I search through the LTSP archive might also produce some answers for > you. > -- > http://gentgeen.homelinux.org > > ############################################################# > Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem > your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad > company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Wed Dec 27 04:49:23 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:49:23 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Public key for nx-2.1.0-1.fc6.i386.rpm is not installed Message-ID: Running K12ltsp6.0 I get this message when running yum install freenx What do I need to do? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wishful thinking. I believe it is perfectly possible to play Quicktime files on Linux. Ok, it's not officially supported by Apple, but it works. That being said, I'd say better encode an open source podcast using an open source encoder like Ogg. Nils. > On 12/23/06, Alan Hodson wrote: >> Hi folks >> >> If you have a system that can run Quicktime and have 1/2 hour or >> so to >> listen to an Open Source podcast (http://tinyurl.com/yjl88b ) >> please do >> so. The debate after the podcast has gone south, and it may be in >> need >> of a set of fresh eyes and opinions. We've all expressed our opinions >> verbally - maybe you can help FOSS in writing. >> Happy Holidays >> Alan Hodson >> TOSS Foundation >> El Paso, TX >> -=o=- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Wed Dec 27 18:00:45 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:00:45 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Public key for nx-2.1.0-1.fc6.i386.rpm is not installed In-Reply-To: <200612270713.49929.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> References: <200612270713.49929.MrJohnLucas@gmail.com> Message-ID: It is the public key for the rpm not for nxclient that I need. It is a yum thing. I ended up downloading the files and manually installing using rpm. Is this a bad idea? On 28/12/06, John Lucas wrote: > > On Wednesday 27 December 2006 00:49, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > Running K12ltsp6.0 > > I get this message when running > > yum install freenx > > > > What do I need to do? > > > > You need to import (into the NX client) the server public > key: /etc/nxserver/client.id_dsa.key > > -- > "History doesn't repeat itself; at best it rhymes." > - Mark Twain > > | John Lucas MrJohnLucas at gmail.com > | > | St. Thomas, VI 00802 http://mrjohnlucas.googlepages.com/| > | 18.3?N, 65?W AST (UTC-4) > | > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Wed Dec 27 22:59:07 2006 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 11:59:07 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP on a different port..... was 'The Dreaded DHCP.....' In-Reply-To: <20061227170017.66A5373267@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061227170017.66A5373267@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1167260348.4812.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi folks, As I understand it, based on the snippets below, - I could run the LTSP DHCP server on a network with an MS DHCP server - There wouldn't be any conflicts between the two DHCP servers - MS clients would get their IP address from the MS DHCP server, and any LTSP terminals would get their IP address from the LTSP server By creating custom boot rom images on the Rom-O-Matic website that use the port I have chosen, the LTSP thin clients will connect to the Linux DHCP server, NOT the MS DHCP server. Therefore, in THEORY, I could put a single nic LTSP server into an existing MS network without any disruption to their current infrastructure. If this is the case it fits the criteria set by someone who is investigating the use of LTSP, and has approached me for help. Is my theory sound or have I missed something. Thanks for your time. Bert Rolston > Barry:Hi...four lines really necessary ..one each defining the options as > text or string .option 128 is absolutely necessary..so that option 129 is > read... > ive been using port 1001/2 for five years in my schools..i can post those > liness to you if you'd like when i get home..chuck > > > Cliebow, > like this.. > > option option-128 code 128=string; > option option-129 code 129=text; > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > option option-129 "DPORT=1001"; > > > > From jam at mcquil.com Wed Dec 27 23:06:03 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:06:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP on a different port..... was 'The Dreaded DHCP.....' In-Reply-To: <1167260348.4812.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061227170017.66A5373267@hormel.redhat.com> <1167260348.4812.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4592FC5B.5050104@McQuil.com> Bert Rolston wrote: > Hi folks, > > As I understand it, based on the snippets below, > > - I could run the LTSP DHCP server on a network with an MS DHCP server > > - There wouldn't be any conflicts between the two DHCP servers Assuming you are running the LTSP dhcp server on a different port, as you've mentioned further down. > > - MS clients would get their IP address from the MS DHCP server, and > any LTSP terminals would get their IP address from the LTSP server > > By creating custom boot rom images on the Rom-O-Matic website that use > the port I have chosen, the LTSP thin clients will connect to the Linux > DHCP server, NOT the MS DHCP server. > > > Therefore, in THEORY, I could put a single nic LTSP server into an > existing MS network without any disruption to their current > infrastructure. > > If this is the case it fits the criteria set by someone who is > investigating the use of LTSP, and has approached me for help. > > > Is my theory sound or have I missed something. Your theory is good. EXCEPT, it won't work with PXE bootroms. It will ONLY work with Etherboot bootroms. The reason is, there's no way to tell PXE to use a different port. If you can live with that, then you can use the alternate port method. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From dhuckaby at hvja.org Wed Dec 27 23:06:21 2006 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 15:06:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP on a different port..... was 'The Dreaded DHCP.....' In-Reply-To: <1167260348.4812.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061227170017.66A5373267@hormel.redhat.com> <1167260348.4812.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4592FC6D.3080109@hvja.org> Theory is sound given the following layout: MS-DHCP server ------> MS-CLIENTS | | V eth1 K12LTSP eth0 -------> LTSP clients ltsp-dhcp active on THIS NIC only I surely wouldn't attempt this with a single NIC setup(I'm faint of heart)... the 10/100 nic for the ETH1 is cheap enough to do a dual nic setup.. --Huck Bert Rolston wrote: > Hi folks, > > As I understand it, based on the snippets below, > > - I could run the LTSP DHCP server on a network with an MS DHCP server > > - There wouldn't be any conflicts between the two DHCP servers > > - MS clients would get their IP address from the MS DHCP server, and > any LTSP terminals would get their IP address from the LTSP server > > By creating custom boot rom images on the Rom-O-Matic website that use > the port I have chosen, the LTSP thin clients will connect to the Linux > DHCP server, NOT the MS DHCP server. > > > Therefore, in THEORY, I could put a single nic LTSP server into an > existing MS network without any disruption to their current > infrastructure. > > If this is the case it fits the criteria set by someone who is > investigating the use of LTSP, and has approached me for help. > > > Is my theory sound or have I missed something. > > > Thanks for your time. > > Bert Rolston > > >> Barry:Hi...four lines really necessary ..one each defining the options as >> text or string .option 128 is absolutely necessary..so that option 129 is >> read... >> > > >> ive been using port 1001/2 for five years in my schools..i can post those >> liness to you if you'd like when i get home..chuck >> >> >>> Cliebow, >>> > > > >> like this.. >> >> option option-128 code 128=string; >> option option-129 code 129=text; >> option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; >> option option-129 "DPORT=1001"; >> >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jam at mcquil.com Wed Dec 27 23:23:33 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:23:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP on a different port..... was 'The Dreaded DHCP.....' In-Reply-To: <4592FC6D.3080109@hvja.org> References: <20061227170017.66A5373267@hormel.redhat.com> <1167260348.4812.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4592FC6D.3080109@hvja.org> Message-ID: <45930075.2060504@McQuil.com> The whole point of his theory was that he wanted a single NIC setup. It works fine, nothing to be scared of. there's no way the MS clients will get an address from a Linux DHCP server configured for a port other than 67/68 And the thin clients won't get a response from the MS server. Jim. Huck wrote: > Theory is sound given the following layout: > > MS-DHCP server ------> MS-CLIENTS > | > | > V > eth1 > K12LTSP eth0 -------> LTSP clients > ltsp-dhcp active on THIS NIC only > > I surely wouldn't attempt this with a single NIC setup(I'm faint of > heart)... > the 10/100 nic for the ETH1 is cheap enough to do a dual nic setup.. > > --Huck > > Bert Rolston wrote: >> Hi folks, >> >> As I understand it, based on the snippets below, >> - I could run the LTSP DHCP server on a network with an MS DHCP server >> >> - There wouldn't be any conflicts between the two DHCP servers >> >> - MS clients would get their IP address from the MS DHCP server, and >> any LTSP terminals would get their IP address from the LTSP server >> >> By creating custom boot rom images on the Rom-O-Matic website that use >> the port I have chosen, the LTSP thin clients will connect to the Linux >> DHCP server, NOT the MS DHCP server. >> >> >> Therefore, in THEORY, I could put a single nic LTSP server into an >> existing MS network without any disruption to their current >> infrastructure. >> >> If this is the case it fits the criteria set by someone who is >> investigating the use of LTSP, and has approached me for help. >> >> >> Is my theory sound or have I missed something. >> >> >> Thanks for your time. >> >> Bert Rolston >> >> >>> Barry:Hi...four lines really necessary ..one each defining the >>> options as >>> text or string .option 128 is absolutely necessary..so that option >>> 129 is >>> read... >>> >> >> >>> ive been using port 1001/2 for five years in my schools..i can post >>> those >>> liness to you if you'd like when i get home..chuck >>> >>> >>>> Cliebow, >>>> >> >> >> >>> like this.. >>> >>> option option-128 code 128=string; >>> option option-129 code 129=text; >>> option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; >>> option option-129 "DPORT=1001"; >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at hvja.org Wed Dec 27 23:32:15 2006 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 15:32:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP on a different port..... was 'The Dreaded DHCP.....' In-Reply-To: <45930075.2060504@McQuil.com> References: <20061227170017.66A5373267@hormel.redhat.com> <1167260348.4812.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4592FC6D.3080109@hvja.org> <45930075.2060504@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <4593027F.8010401@hvja.org> Ah, I see said the blind man. although it seems like it'd have a greater potential for bandwidth bottleneck'n... --Huck Jim McQuillan wrote: > The whole point of his theory was that he wanted a single NIC setup. > > It works fine, nothing to be scared of. > > there's no way the MS clients will get an address from a Linux DHCP > server configured for a port other than 67/68 > > And the thin clients won't get a response from the MS server. > > Jim. From k12ltsp at trinityschool.org.uk Thu Dec 28 00:11:42 2006 From: k12ltsp at trinityschool.org.uk (Peter Deakin) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 00:11:42 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] More oddities with K12LTSP 6.0 rc2 In-Reply-To: <458E3647.2060605@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <458B25E7.8070502@hvja.org> <458C234E.40104@trinityschool.org.uk> <458C85F7.2060709@trinityschool.org.uk> <458E3647.2060605@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <45930BBE.9060802@trinityschool.org.uk> Eric Harrison wrote: > Peter Deakin wrote: >> >> I have done a standard install ltsp 6 rc2, setting host name to >> LTSP-2 using 192.168.0.254 >> setting DNS and default gateway. on first boot sendmail took about 2 >> min to start and smclient about a 1 min. >> everything seem OK workstations booted up and I was able to log on >> with the one account I had created. >> >> Investigating sendmail I noted that the /etc/hosts had some strange >> entries at the beginning something like: >> ...8 loclhost.localdomain, this was repeated. There was no 127.0.0.1 >> and LTSP-2 had an IP of 208.67.(can't remember the rest, think it >> ended in 40)-this was similar to the DNS serevers(208.67.222.222) >> that I entered at install. >> >> I edited hosts file as below >> >> 127.0.0.1 LTSP-2 localhost.localdomain localhost >> 192.168.0.1 ws001.ltsp ws001 >> 192.168.0.2 ws002.ltsp ws002 >> etc to >> 192.168.0.253 ws253.ltsp ws253 >> 192.168.0.254 server.ltsp server >> >> rebooted the server and sendmail loaded without any problems >> >> but now when I try to log on with a user the home folder can't be found. >> >> I ran ltspadmin and it reported that >> >> /etc/hosts >> /etc/hosts.allow >> /etc/exports were not configured >> >> checking the files they all seemed ok, but I ran the configuration >> anyway which double entered everything in those files, but ltspadmin >> was happy. Rebooted the server some complaints about the double >> entries in exports, and still no home folders. >> >> I have edited out the double entries and now ltspadmin is again >> reporting that those files are not configured. I have not tried it >> again since as I am now at home. I guess it may be just one of those >> odd installation glitches, or may be that odd IP address has got in >> some config file and editing it out of hosts has screwed things up? >> As there is no data on there yet I may just do a reinstall, but if >> anyone can shed any light as to what may have gone wrong or has an >> easy fix? >> >> Peter Deakin >> > > > My guess is that you selected IPv6 ("....8 localhost.localdomain" > looks a lot like a IPv6 loopback address). I can envision all sorts of > weird things happing if you have half your config files with a IPv4 > address and the other half with a IPv6 address. > > > If you do a reinstall, make sure not to select that you use IPv6. > > > If this were my system, I'd run "System -> Administration -> Network" > and make sure that each interface is configured properly (i.e. "Enable > IPv6..." is not checked if you don't use IPv6, the correct > IP/Netmask/Gateway are set on your static IP addresses, etc, etc). > > I'd then check that /etc/fstab, /etc/hosts, /etc/exports, > /etc/resolv.conf & /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf are all correct. > > -Eric > > Thanks for the pointers Eric, I checked all the files you suggested but I couldn't find anything amiss. I have done a reinstall today, disabling the IPv6 option and everything went went OK. I think you were correct in your guess about IPv6, I almost missed the option the second time round! Is the any advantage / disadvantage in not installing with IPv6? One issue though even installing with IPv4 the first entry in hosts was ::1 LTSP-2 localhost.localdomain localhost Webmin was not happy with this arrangement and refused to play until I modified it to 127.0.0.1 LTSP-2 localhost.localdomain localhost This doesn't seemed to have caused any problems yet with the rest of the system the terminal boots OK and the home folder in found. Thanks for your many hours of hard work in making K12ltsp the superb software that it is. Best Regards Peter From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Dec 28 00:56:57 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 06:26:57 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Boot off Win2003 server Message-ID: <774593a20612271656i48fe1510xa0358132b5b81206@mail.gmail.com> I know this is not in spirit of this list but I have to demo thin client concept to some one and all he has in his network Win2003 server. I need pointers on how to get a PXE boot from this server directly. I must admit that I am able to get rdesktop but he is interested in full boot. -- Wishing you very best for the New Year 2007 Regards, Sudev Barar From dhuckaby at hvja.org Thu Dec 28 01:23:16 2006 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:23:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap note on bulk-useradd Message-ID: <45931C84.40508@hvja.org> the format of the input file needs to have: First Name, Last Name, Username, GID,,,,PWD you must either leave an empty field or fill it in, but you can't skip fields as the HowTo implies: http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ [quote] Once it?s open?copy and paste the text from your spreadsheet with the information in the format of* Firstname,Lastname,username*,gid,password [/quote] Other than that it worked like a charm, other than it didn't map their home directory at all...will work that bug out later.. From dhuckaby at hvja.org Thu Dec 28 01:29:35 2006 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:29:35 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update error Message-ID: <45931DFF.8070100@hvja.org> for 6.0... [snip] Transaction Check Error: file /usr/share/man/man3/Unicode::CharName.3pm.gz from install of perl-Unicode-String-2.09-2.fc6 conflicts with file from package perl-Unicode-String-2.07-0.1.fc2.dag file /usr/share/man/man3/Unicode::String.3pm.gz from install of perl-Unicode-String-2.09-2.fc6 conflicts with file from package perl-Unicode-String-2.07-0.1.fc2.dag file /usr/share/man/man1/map.1.gz from install of perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-8.fc6 conflicts with file from package perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-0.1.fc2.dag file /usr/share/man/man1/mkmapfile.1.gz from install of perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-8.fc6 conflicts with file from package perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-0.1.fc2.dag file /usr/share/man/man3/Unicode::Map.3pm.gz from install of perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-8.fc6 conflicts with file from package perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-0.1.fc2.dag file /usr/share/man/man1/umap.1.gz from install of perl-Unicode-Map8-0.12-11.fc6 conflicts with file from package perl-Unicode-Map8-0.12-0.1.fc2.dag file /usr/share/man/man3/Unicode::Map8.3pm.gz from install of perl-Unicode-Map8-0.12-11.fc6 conflicts with file from package perl-Unicode-Map8-0.12-0.1.fc2.dag [/snip] I've only done yum updates since installing...so this is weird... fc2.dag? --Huck From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Dec 28 02:32:18 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:32:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP on a different port..... was 'The Dreaded DHCP.....' In-Reply-To: <1167260348.4812.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061227170017.66A5373267@hormel.redhat.com> <1167260348.4812.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Yep...you're right....except PXE won't work, but if that's not an issue you should be fine. :-) "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >Hi folks, > >As I understand it, based on the snippets below, > >- I could run the LTSP DHCP server on a network with an MS DHCP server > >- There wouldn't be any conflicts between the two DHCP servers > >- MS clients would get their IP address from the MS DHCP server, and > any LTSP terminals would get their IP address from the LTSP server > >By creating custom boot rom images on the Rom-O-Matic website that use >the port I have chosen, the LTSP thin clients will connect to the Linux >DHCP server, NOT the MS DHCP server. > > >Therefore, in THEORY, I could put a single nic LTSP server into an >existing MS network without any disruption to their current >infrastructure. > >If this is the case it fits the criteria set by someone who is >investigating the use of LTSP, and has approached me for help. > > >Is my theory sound or have I missed something. > > >Thanks for your time. > >Bert Rolston > >> Barry:Hi...four lines really necessary ..one each defining the options >as >> text or string .option 128 is absolutely necessary..so that option 129 >is >> read... > >> ive been using port 1001/2 for five years in my schools..i can post >those >> liness to you if you'd like when i get home..chuck >> >> > Cliebow, > > >> like this.. >> >> option option-128 code 128=string; >> option option-129 code 129=text; >> option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; >> option option-129 "DPORT=1001"; >> >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jon at spriggs.org.uk Thu Dec 28 07:29:20 2006 From: jon at spriggs.org.uk (Jon Spriggs) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:29:20 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Secure Online Testing In-Reply-To: <1167237058.6959.4.camel@200-8143-202-01> References: <1167237058.6959.4.camel@200-8143-202-01> Message-ID: <96df2e0b0612272329n7103ed46x7c0de02f07683ed@mail.gmail.com> Try looking for KIOSK mode. I've had to use it with Internet Explorer, where you add the switch -k to the executable - maybe it's the same with Firefox? Rgds, Jon On 12/27/06, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > I seem to remember something on here about setting up Firefox so that > students can't open other programs and can't navigate to other sites > while they're taking an online test or quiz. > > Am I just imagining that? If not, anybody have a search term I can use > that might pull up the correct thread? > > Thanks, > Todd > > P.S. The company I'm ordering my servers and switches from just told me > they got the purchase order yesterday! Woo-hoo! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From julian_yap at yahoo.com Thu Dec 28 07:07:09 2006 From: julian_yap at yahoo.com (Julian Yap) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:07:09 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Problems with Firefox, OO and KDE apps start up speed with SMBLDAP Message-ID: <1167289629.9610.20.camel@jubuntu> Hi all, We're having problems with the start up speed of Firefox, OO and KDE apps on our K12LTSP servers and was wondering if anyone could help. More background info: I've recently installed a SMBLDAP server for a local school. We freshly installed a K12LTSP 6.0 server and set it up to authenticate off the SMBLDAP. Home directories are also mounted off the SMBLDAP server via NFS. Certain apps seem to hang and take a long time (around 10 minutes) to start up. I can't seem to figure it out. However, once Firefox, for example, starts up, it's very responsive and works fine. The apps with problems are Firefox, OpenOffice suite and KDE apps (like Kalcium). Other large apps such Blender and Scribus work fine as do the smaller Gnome apps. One minor breakthrough is that when spawned through the command line, OpenOffice Writer starts up (and fast too) via: /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/swriter.bin -writer However, this from the command line causes a hang: /bin/sh /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/swriter.bin -writer This has also been tested on K12LTSP 5.0 with the same problems. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Julian From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Dec 28 12:15:18 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:15:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP on a different port..... was 'The Dreaded DHCP.....' In-Reply-To: <1167260348.4812.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061227170017.66A5373267@hormel.redhat.com> <1167260348.4812.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2577.76.179.82.249.1167308118.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> something tells me you have no access to ms dhcp..but you could use ms dhcp to pass everything including Netvista (except macintosh ibook info which i cant get working yet(though the bondi works fine))with winders dhcp. the only mystery we discovered was some weird print problem when option 60 was configured globally for the entire subnet..chuck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brcisna at eazylivin.net Thu Dec 28 13:14:47 2006 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:14:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Web Start Blues Message-ID: <43629.216.24.126.67.1167311687.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello All, Does anyone have Java web start working,on a defualt install of K12LTSP v 5 ? I installed the Java packages that are "extras" on the K12LTSP ftp sites. I have went through all of the Java-Plugin Control Panel as well as the Java Web Start panel,,changing the proxy setting back and forth changing the path to mozilla and firefox,and back,etc but when trying to run the demos/Web Start at Sun's site Im always just presented with "download" option. I'm not enough of a html guru to know how to t-shoot this. I've googled out and havent found an even close to decent how to,,on how to diagnose how to correct a non-working Java web start for either Mozilla and or Firefox. I m not sure if there is an easy MIME type hack,,to make it respond,possibly? I am able to get the mime aasociation to work in Mozilla itself. Would i be safe in doing a copy paste of the relevant information in the mozilla prefs/mime.rd file in a users home folder and put into the Firefox,prefs/mime.rd file? I'm guessing this will not work doing this manually. Anyone have any Ideas? Barry Cisna From brcisna at eazylivin.net Thu Dec 28 00:31:41 2006 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:31:41 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Java Web Start blues Message-ID: <40894.192.168.254.3.1167265901.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello All, Does anyone have Java web start working,on a defualt install of K12LTSP v 5 ? I installed the Java packages that are "extras" on the K12LTSP ftp sites. I have went through all of the Java-Plugin Control Panel as well as the Java Web Start panel,,changing the proxy setting back and forth changing the path to mozilla and firefox,and back,etc but when trying to run the demos/Web Start at Sun's site Im always just presented with "download" option. I'm not enough of a html guru to know how to t-shoot this. I've googled out and havent found an even close to decent how to,,on how to diagnose how to correct a non-working Java web start for either Mozilla and or Firefox. I m not sure if there is an easy MIME type hack,,to make it respond,possibly? Anyone have any Ideas? Barry Cisna From dhuckaby at hvja.org Thu Dec 28 15:50:28 2006 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:50:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Problems with Firefox, OO and KDE apps start up speed with SMBLDAP In-Reply-To: <1167289629.9610.20.camel@jubuntu> References: <1167289629.9610.20.camel@jubuntu> Message-ID: <4593E7C4.7000801@hvja.org> try simply 'oowriter' or 'oocalc' or 'ooimpress' at the commandline? any faster? I've just about completed a 6.0 install with IceWM as the default/only window manager...and it's FAST...MUCH faster than my old K12LTSP server that is getting upgraded this summer! Julian Yap wrote: > Hi all, > > We're having problems with the start up speed of Firefox, OO and KDE > apps on our K12LTSP servers and was wondering if anyone could help. > > More background info: > > I've recently installed a SMBLDAP server for a local school. > > We freshly installed a K12LTSP 6.0 server and set it up to authenticate > off the SMBLDAP. Home directories are also mounted off the SMBLDAP > server via NFS. > > Certain apps seem to hang and take a long time (around 10 minutes) to > start up. I can't seem to figure it out. However, once Firefox, for > example, starts up, it's very responsive and works fine. The apps with > problems are Firefox, OpenOffice suite and KDE apps (like Kalcium). > > Other large apps such Blender and Scribus work fine as do the smaller > Gnome apps. > > One minor breakthrough is that when spawned through the command line, > OpenOffice Writer starts up (and fast too) via: > /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/swriter.bin -writer > > However, this from the command line causes a hang: > /bin/sh /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/swriter.bin -writer > > This has also been tested on K12LTSP 5.0 with the same problems. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Julian > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Dec 28 16:15:20 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 11:15:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Problems with Firefox,=?ISO-8859-1?Q? OO_?= and KDE apps start up speed=?ISO-8859-1?Q? with_?= SMBLDA In-Reply-To: <4593E7C4.7000801@hvja.org> References: <1167289629.9610.20.camel@jubuntu> <4593E7C4.7000801@hvja.org> Message-ID: Julian....are you running gigabit between the samba/ldap server and the k12LTSP server? If not you really should. Remember....you'll need to use gigabit switches too so nothing has to "negotiate" down to 100baseT. "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >try simply 'oowriter' or 'oocalc' or 'ooimpress' at the commandline? > >any faster? >I've just about completed a 6.0 install with IceWM as the default/only >window manager...and it's FAST...MUCH faster than >my old K12LTSP server that is getting upgraded this summer! > >Julian Yap wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> We're having problems with the start up speed of Firefox, OO and KDE >> apps on our K12LTSP servers and was wondering if anyone could help. >> >> More background info: >> >> I've recently installed a SMBLDAP server for a local school. >> >> We freshly installed a K12LTSP 6.0 server and set it up to authenticate >> off the SMBLDAP. Home directories are also mounted off the SMBLDAP >> server via NFS. >> >> Certain apps seem to hang and take a long time (around 10 minutes) to >> start up. I can't seem to figure it out. However, once Firefox, for >> example, starts up, it's very responsive and works fine. The apps with >> problems are Firefox, OpenOffice suite and KDE apps (like Kalcium). >> >> Other large apps such Blender and Scribus work fine as do the smaller >> Gnome apps. >> >> One minor breakthrough is that when spawned through the command line, >> OpenOffice Writer starts up (and fast too) via: >> /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/swriter.bin -writer >> >> However, this from the command line causes a hang: >> /bin/sh /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/swriter.bin -writer >> >> This has also been tested on K12LTSP 5.0 with the same problems. >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Julian >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Thu Dec 28 16:06:47 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:06:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Problems with Firefox, OO and KDE apps start up speed with SMBLDAP In-Reply-To: <4593E7C4.7000801@hvja.org> References: <1167289629.9610.20.camel@jubuntu> <4593E7C4.7000801@hvja.org> Message-ID: <4593EB97.8090109@maltzen.net> With version 6, do the Gnome items appear under the Gnome menu selection? On my version 5 box, it's just empty; I think it was that way under 4.x also. Am I missing something during install that would properly populate that submenu? Petre Huck wrote: > try simply 'oowriter' or 'oocalc' or 'ooimpress' at the commandline? > > any faster? > I've just about completed a 6.0 install with IceWM as the default/only > window manager...and it's FAST...MUCH faster than > my old K12LTSP server that is getting upgraded this summer! > > Julian Yap wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> We're having problems with the start up speed of Firefox, OO and KDE >> apps on our K12LTSP servers and was wondering if anyone could help. >> >> More background info: >> >> I've recently installed a SMBLDAP server for a local school. >> >> We freshly installed a K12LTSP 6.0 server and set it up to authenticate >> off the SMBLDAP. Home directories are also mounted off the SMBLDAP >> server via NFS. >> >> Certain apps seem to hang and take a long time (around 10 minutes) to >> start up. I can't seem to figure it out. However, once Firefox, for >> example, starts up, it's very responsive and works fine. The apps with >> problems are Firefox, OpenOffice suite and KDE apps (like Kalcium). >> >> Other large apps such Blender and Scribus work fine as do the smaller >> Gnome apps. >> >> One minor breakthrough is that when spawned through the command line, >> OpenOffice Writer starts up (and fast too) via: >> /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/swriter.bin -writer >> >> However, this from the command line causes a hang: >> /bin/sh /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/swriter.bin -writer >> >> This has also been tested on K12LTSP 5.0 with the same problems. >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Julian >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Thu Dec 28 16:12:17 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:12:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Gnome submenu empty under IceWM in version 5 Message-ID: <4593ECE1.3080400@maltzen.net> Apologies for hijacking Julian's thread about slowness in starting up certain apps. When I login using IceWM on my version 5 server, the Gnome submenu is empty. Did I miss something during installation that should have populated that submenu? How do I fix it after the fact? Petre From dhuckaby at hvja.org Thu Dec 28 16:17:28 2006 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 08:17:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Gnome submenu empty under IceWM in version 5 In-Reply-To: <4593ECE1.3080400@maltzen.net> References: <4593ECE1.3080400@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4593EE18.6040407@hvja.org> correct...they are blank... I'll send you a good menu-file that I created yesterday thanks to Shawn's assistance.. as you can see I commented out some stuff that I don't use/don't have...and not all of the cute little icons work in the menu :( *see below* --Huck # since modifications to this file will be discarded when you # (re)install icewm. # menu "Student Programs" "" { prog "Touch Typing (KTouch)" "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/ktouch.png" ktouch # prog "Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor" "" /usr/local/Ten_Thumbs_Typing_Tutor-3.0/Ten_Thumbs_Typing_Tutor } menu "Accessories" "" { prog "Calculator" "/usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/32x32/apps/xcalc.png" /usr/bin/kcalc } #menu "Experimental" applet-critical.png { # prog "Floppy/USB Keydrive Access" gnome-session.png MToolsFM # prog "Fix Macintosh Login Problem" "" /usr/local/bin/fixmac # prog "Disable Screen Saver" "" /usr/local/bin/disable_screensaver # prog "Kill my OpenOffice Stuff" "" killall -9 soffice.bin #} menu "Office Programs" "/usr/share/icons/gnome/24x24/apps/ooo_gulls.png" { prog "Word (OpenOffice)" "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/openofficeorg-writer.png" oowriter prog "Excel (OpenOffice" "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/openofficeorg-calc.png" oocalc prog "Powerpoint (OpenOffice)" "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/openofficeorg-impress.png" ooimpress prog "Scribus (Desktop Publishing)" "/usr/share/scribus/icons/scribusicon.png" scribus } menu "Internet Tools" "/usr/share/scribus/icons/externaltools.png" { prog "Web Browser" "/usr/share/icewm/icons/communicator-browser_32x32.xpm" firefox http://www.hvja.org # prog "Email" "/usr/share/icewm/icons/mozilla-mail-icon.png" firefox http://www.inlandlakes.org/webmail # prog "Email (not web-based)" "usr/share/icewm/icons/mozilla-mail-icon.png" thunderbird # prog "Ftp Client" "/usr/share/icewm/icons/gnome-folder.png" gftp # prog "HTML Editor" "/usr/share/pixmaps/comps/editors.png" mozilla -edit } #menu "Microsoft Windows" "/usr/share/icewm/icons/ms.png" { # prog "Windows in a Window" "/usr/share/icewm/icons/ms.png" rdesktop -C -g 80% animal.ils # prog "Windows Fullscreen" "/usr/share/icewm/icons/ms.png" rdesktop -f -C animal.ils # prog "SDS Session" "/usr/share/icewm/icons/apple-red.png" /usr/local/bin/sds #} menu "Graphic Tools" "/usr/share/icewm/icons/gimp.png" { prog "Gimp (Photo Editing)" "/usr/share/icewm/icons/gimp.png" gimp } menu "System Tools" "/usr/share/icewm/icons/advanced-directory.png" { # prog "Configuration (Be Careful!!!)" "/usr/share/icewm/icons/gedit-plugin-manager.png" icecc prog "Terminal" "xterm" gnome-terminal } separator menu "Games" "/usr/share/icons/gnome/24x24/apps/gnome-amusements.png " { prog "Connect Four" "/usr/share/icons/HighContrastLargePrint/48x48/apps/glines.png " gnect prog "Jezzball (KBounce)" "/usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-applets.png" kbounce prog "Mahjongg" "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/gnome-mahjongg.png" mahjongg prog "Minesweeper" "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/gnome-gnomine.png" gnomine prog "Solitare (Multiple Styles)" "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/gnome-aisleriot.png" sol prog "Hangman" "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/khangman.png" khangman } separator prog "My Documents" "/usr/share/pixmaps/redhat-home.png" nautilus --no-desktop prog "Find Files" "/usr/share/icons/Bluecurve/48x48/apps/gnome-searchtool.png " gnome-search-tool separator From netman1 at optonline.net Thu Dec 28 17:58:28 2006 From: netman1 at optonline.net (Jim Anderson) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 12:58:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] terminal audio global setting Message-ID: <1167328708.11031.4.camel@penguin.anderson.local> I have a computer room running K12LTSP 5 with 24 terminals attached, almost all are GX1s. Is there a way to enter the audio driver in lts.conf globally for the the GX1s. The remaining non-GX1s (GX110s) I could designated sound by MAC address. Jim From julian_yap at yahoo.com Thu Dec 28 17:32:35 2006 From: julian_yap at yahoo.com (Julian Yap) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:32:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Problems with Firefox, OO and KDE apps start up speed with SMBLDAP In-Reply-To: <4593EB97.8090109@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <929310.78962.qm@web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Petre Scheie wrote: > With version 6, do the Gnome items appear under the Gnome menu > selection? On my version > 5 box, it's just empty; I think it was that way under 4.x > also. Am I missing something > during install that would properly populate that submenu? With version 6, the Gnome menu items are populated. Some entries under 'Education' are twice populated. ~ Julian From dhuckaby at hvja.org Thu Dec 28 18:35:23 2006 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:35:23 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Problems with Firefox, OO and KDE apps start up speed with SMBLDAP In-Reply-To: <929310.78962.qm@web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <929310.78962.qm@web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45940E6B.7010402@hvja.org> this was a question about with IceWM as the default manager. sorry for confusion J. Julian Yap wrote: > --- Petre Scheie wrote: > >> With version 6, do the Gnome items appear under the Gnome menu >> selection? On my version >> 5 box, it's just empty; I think it was that way under 4.x >> also. Am I missing something >> during install that would properly populate that submenu? >> > > With version 6, the Gnome menu items are populated. Some > entries under 'Education' are twice populated. > > ~ Julian > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From julian_yap at yahoo.com Thu Dec 28 17:37:18 2006 From: julian_yap at yahoo.com (Julian Yap) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:37:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Problems with Firefox, OO and KDE apps start up speed with SMBLDAP In-Reply-To: <4593E7C4.7000801@hvja.org> Message-ID: <20061228173718.29074.qmail@web35612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Huck wrote: > try simply 'oowriter' or 'oocalc' or 'ooimpress' at the > commandline? > > any faster? I have a clue that would work fine. Unfortunately I can't test until next week. Since this worked fine: /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/swriter.bin -writer But this didn't (and this is what the menu item has): /bin/sh /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/swriter.bin -writer ~ Julian From julian_yap at yahoo.com Thu Dec 28 17:42:53 2006 From: julian_yap at yahoo.com (Julian Yap) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:42:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Problems with Firefox, OO and KDE apps start up speed with SMBLDA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <522415.71320.qm@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- David Trask wrote: > Julian....are you running gigabit between the samba/ldap > server and the > k12LTSP server? If not you really should. Remember....you'll > need to use > gigabit switches too so nothing has to "negotiate" down to > 100baseT. We have a 10/100 switch with one gigabit port that we plug the K12LTSP server DHCP interface into. I believe the rest of the network is 10/100. What confuses me is that OpenOffice can start up fine (and fast) from the command line but barfs when invoked from the panel icon. ~ Julian From petre at maltzen.net Thu Dec 28 20:54:56 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:54:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] terminal audio global setting In-Reply-To: <1167328708.11031.4.camel@penguin.anderson.local> References: <1167328708.11031.4.camel@penguin.anderson.local> Message-ID: <45942F20.5000506@maltzen.net> Yes, do just that: put the settings for the GX1s in the first part of lts.conf, under the [Default] heading, and specify the settings for the GX110s either by their MAC addresses, or tie specific adresses and hostnames to those MAC addresses in the /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf file, and then specify the settings by hostname in the lower part of lts.conf. Which is exactly what you just said. Petre Jim Anderson wrote: > I have a computer room running K12LTSP 5 with 24 terminals attached, > almost all are GX1s. Is there a way to enter the audio driver in > lts.conf globally for the the GX1s. The remaining non-GX1s (GX110s) I > could designated sound by MAC address. > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Thu Dec 28 21:11:51 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:11:51 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Rsync from K12ltsp: iso versus files in directories Message-ID: I think I made a mistake. Instead of downloading the iso files I downloaded the /i386 directory of k12ltsp6 http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/6.0.0-32bit/i386/ I was able to install from these files using PXE boot with http install. The trouble is ltsp didn't work out of the box as it used to. I had to use ltspadmin (For the first tiem ever!) At first I thought it was because I changed the ip address of the server from 192.168.0.254 to 192.168.0.253 but after installing again I found it was because the needed services were not running like tftp, dhcpd, xdmcp, etc. I have got it running now using ltspadmin but I am afraid I might have missed some of Erics special tricks. Should I download the isos and start again. Or is there some way to fix the situation. I want to install again soon (reinstalling over my current k12ltsp5 server to set up loadbearing arrangement.) I would rather it worked out of the box. Who knows someone else might need to take over running the computer system here and I want to keep everything as simple as possible. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at eazylivin.net Thu Dec 28 23:15:15 2006 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 17:15:15 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] via vt1612 audio driver Message-ID: <46155.192.168.254.3.1167347715.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hello list, Does anyone know by chance if anyone has any working clients with the via vt1612 codec working. This has the SIS southbridge chipset. I m on FC5/K12LTSP v5 Ive tried loading almost all the "pci" sound modules,,but none are seen as vailid with this onboard audio chip. I think i'm up the creek for now:(... Thanks, Barry From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Thu Dec 28 23:16:42 2006 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:16:42 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP on a different port..... thanks. In-Reply-To: <20061228170017.55B8C7351A@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20061228170017.55B8C7351A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1167347803.4371.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Folks, Thanks for your help Jim, Huck, David, and Chuck. I'll be using etherboot images. AFAIK I can get these burnt onto bootroms. Is this correct? If so then PXE is a moot point. I know how to put etherboot onto floppy. I have toyed with the idea of IDE to CF adaptors and putting etherboot on CF. Another altenative is etherboot CD's. In this case I will probably use the old HDD's in the machines which are all less than 1GB. I don't have access to the MS DHCP server. Abut two weeks ago I asked the list about passing requests through the MS DHCP server to the LTSP DHCP server. The sysadmin I am dealing with clearly stated he doesn't want anything to disrupt or change the current infrastructure. He uses Ubuntu at home so introducing Linux isn't a problem. This installation has to be rock solid in order to change current negative perceptions of Linux that upper level management has. The network is running class B /16 addresses. Thanks for your time. Bert ====================================== > - I could run the LTSP DHCP server on a network with an MS DHCP server > > - There wouldn't be any conflicts between the two DHCP servers > > - MS clients would get their IP address from the MS DHCP server, and > any LTSP terminals would get their IP address from the LTSP server > > By creating custom boot rom images on the Rom-O-Matic website that use > the port I have chosen, the LTSP thin clients will connect to the Linux > DHCP server, NOT the MS DHCP server. > Therefore, in THEORY, I could put a single nic LTSP server into an > existing MS network without any disruption to their current > infrastructure. > > If this is the case it fits the criteria set by someone who is > investigating the use of LTSP, and has approached me for help. > > > Is my theory sound or have I missed something. > From: Jim McQuillan > Your theory is good. EXCEPT, it won't work with PXE bootroms. It will > ONLY work with Etherboot bootroms. > > The reason is, there's no way to tell PXE to use a different port. > > If you can live with that, then you can use the alternate port method. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > From: Huck > Theory is sound given the following layout: > > MS-DHCP server ------> MS-CLIENTS > | > | > V > eth1 > K12LTSP eth0 -------> LTSP clients > ltsp-dhcp active on THIS NIC only > > I surely wouldn't attempt this with a single NIC setup(I'm faint of > heart)... > the 10/100 nic for the ETH1 is cheap enough to do a dual nic setup.. > --Huck > From: Jim McQuillan > The whole point of his theory was that he wanted a single NIC setup. > > It works fine, nothing to be scared of. > > there's no way the MS clients will get an address from a Linux DHCP > server configured for a port other than 67/68 > > And the thin clients won't get a response from the MS server. > > Jim. > > From: Huck > Ah, I see said the blind man. > although it seems like it'd have a greater potential for bandwidth > bottleneck'n... > > --Huck > From: "David Trask" > Yep...you're right....except PXE won't work, but if that's not an issue > you should be fine. :-) > From: cliebow at midmaine.com > something tells me you have no access to ms dhcp..but you could use ms > dhcp to pass everything including Netvista (except macintosh ibook info > which i cant get working yet(though the bondi works fine))with winders > dhcp. > the only mystery we discovered was some weird print problem when option 60 > was configured globally for the entire subnet..chuck > From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Dec 28 23:21:54 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:21:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP on a different port..... thanks. In-Reply-To: <1167347803.4371.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061228170017.55B8C7351A@hormel.redhat.com> <1167347803.4371.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4162.76.179.82.249.1167348114.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> a botrom image should not be a prob...just remember 3c509 uses a speciall bootrom and not all burners will use it..i know mine wont.. From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Dec 28 23:22:06 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:22:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP on a different port..... thanks. In-Reply-To: <1167347803.4371.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20061228170017.55B8C7351A@hormel.redhat.com> <1167347803.4371.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4162.76.179.82.249.1167348126.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> a botrom image should not be a prob...just remember 3c509 uses a speciall bootrom and not all burners will use it..i know mine wont.. From dhuckaby at hvja.org Thu Dec 28 23:27:42 2006 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:27:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update error In-Reply-To: <45931DFF.8070100@hvja.org> References: <45931DFF.8070100@hvja.org> Message-ID: <459452EE.3020905@hvja.org> turns out just "yum remove" the fc2 dudes and then "yum install" the good guys solved the problem. yippee... Huck wrote: > for 6.0... > > [snip] > Transaction Check Error: file > /usr/share/man/man3/Unicode::CharName.3pm.gz from install of > perl-Unicode-String-2.09-2.fc6 conflicts with file from package > perl-Unicode-String-2.07-0.1.fc2.dag > file /usr/share/man/man3/Unicode::String.3pm.gz from install of > perl-Unicode-String-2.09-2.fc6 conflicts with file from package > perl-Unicode-String-2.07-0.1.fc2.dag > file /usr/share/man/man1/map.1.gz from install of > perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-8.fc6 conflicts with file from package > perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-0.1.fc2.dag > file /usr/share/man/man1/mkmapfile.1.gz from install of > perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-8.fc6 conflicts with file from package > perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-0.1.fc2.dag > file /usr/share/man/man3/Unicode::Map.3pm.gz from install of > perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-8.fc6 conflicts with file from package > perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-0.1.fc2.dag > file /usr/share/man/man1/umap.1.gz from install of > perl-Unicode-Map8-0.12-11.fc6 conflicts with file from package > perl-Unicode-Map8-0.12-0.1.fc2.dag > file /usr/share/man/man3/Unicode::Map8.3pm.gz from install of > perl-Unicode-Map8-0.12-11.fc6 conflicts with file from package > perl-Unicode-Map8-0.12-0.1.fc2.dag > [/snip] > > I've only done yum updates since installing...so this is weird... > fc2.dag? > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at hvja.org Thu Dec 28 23:46:15 2006 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:46:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Elementary school software needs... Message-ID: <45945747.5070004@hvja.org> This is my first elementary school setup... from Preschool to 8th grade. Am I missing any pertinent software in my menus? (keep in mind the teacher have ONLY used what meager resources they had in the past to teach typing and write papers) I have setup menu items for: openoffice(all components) scribus the gimp gcompris(for the little dudes) firefox(just installed 2.0 via the following *worked like a charm*: wget http://remi.collet.free.fr/rpms/fc6.i386/remi-release-1-2.fc6.remi.noarch.rpm rpm -Uvh remi-release-1-1.fc6.remi.noarch.rpm yum --enable-repo=development update firefox calculator terminal connect 4, jezzball, mahjongg, minesweeper, solitare, and hangman ;) they gotta have SOME entertainment no? :) are there any uber-vital apps for elementary kids that I've missed? TuxType/TuxMath? --Huck From carl at snarlnet.com Thu Dec 28 23:48:50 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:48:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Testing actual network speeds Message-ID: <459457E2.6030707@snarlnet.com> Hi Folks, Can anyone suggest a way to test my LAN speeds that I'm using for K12LTSP? Screen redraws are jerky and slow on some of my clients. I've always suspected my network cabling wasn't quite right, but I don't know how to test it. When I request things from the web server on the network and other network activities where I can "get a reading" of the transfer speed it's usually about 30Mb/s. Which seems a little on the low side. But that's not even my K12LTSP network, I don't know how to test the speed between server and client. Clearly it's working at 100BaseT, but it seems like there's got to be a bottleneck somewhere. I'm using a consumer grade 1000BaseT switch for my thin client network and I think it's helped some with having multiple clients going at the same time, but I can't help thinking that each client could be doing better? How do you folks test your network cabling? Is there a device in the $100 range that might help? Can I run wireshark (or similar) on the server and see what's going on with the clients? How would I set that up? Thanks, ck From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Fri Dec 29 00:00:13 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:00:13 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Testing actual network speeds In-Reply-To: <459457E2.6030707@snarlnet.com> References: <459457E2.6030707@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: There was note in the wiki about testing network speed. I saw it this morning. On 29/12/06, Carl Keil wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > Can anyone suggest a way to test my LAN speeds that I'm using for > K12LTSP? Screen redraws are jerky and slow on some of my clients. I've > always suspected my network cabling wasn't quite right, but I don't know > how to test it. When I request things from the web server on the > network and other network activities where I can "get a reading" of the > transfer speed it's usually about 30Mb/s. Which seems a little on the > low side. But that's not even my K12LTSP network, I don't know how to > test the speed between server and client. Clearly it's working at > 100BaseT, but it seems like there's got to be a bottleneck somewhere. > I'm using a consumer grade 1000BaseT switch for my thin client network > and I think it's helped some with having multiple clients going at the > same time, but I can't help thinking that each client could be doing > better? > > How do you folks test your network cabling? Is there a device in the > $100 range that might help? Can I run wireshark (or similar) on the > server and see what's going on with the clients? How would I set that up? > > Thanks, > > ck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at hvja.org Fri Dec 29 00:12:03 2006 From: dhuckaby at hvja.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:12:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Testing actual network speeds In-Reply-To: References: <459457E2.6030707@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <45945D53.70504@hvja.org> new or old wiki? or has everything been ported successfully now? Krsnendu dasa wrote: > There was note in the wiki about testing network speed. I saw it this > morning. > From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Fri Dec 29 00:20:31 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:20:31 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Testing actual network speeds In-Reply-To: <45945D53.70504@hvja.org> References: <459457E2.6030707@snarlnet.com> <45945D53.70504@hvja.org> Message-ID: http://k12ltsp.org/faq.html#bottlenecks On 29/12/06, Huck wrote: > > new or old wiki? or has everything been ported successfully now? > > > Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > There was note in the wiki about testing network speed. I saw it this > > morning. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Fri Dec 29 01:37:17 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:37:17 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Rsync from K12ltsp: iso versus files in directories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 1.Something weird happened when I tried yum update. It started downloading 127 files mostly with fc5 in the name. 2. How can I set it up so that the yum first looks for the files in my http directory so I only have to download files once. Using this method how can I add the latest updates to this directory and save those files for any future installations? Every time I install I learn more about how the system works which is good. At the same time I want to make it as easy as possible for anyone else to pick up and use the system. Thanks in advance. Krsnendu dasa On 29/12/06, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > I think I made a mistake. Instead of downloading the iso files I > downloaded the /i386 directory of k12ltsp6 > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/6.0.0-32bit/i386/ > I was able to install from these files using PXE boot with http install. > > The trouble is ltsp didn't work out of the box as it used to. I had to use > ltspadmin (For the first tiem ever!) > At first I thought it was because I changed the ip address of the server > from 192.168.0.254 to 192.168.0.253 but after installing again I found it > was because the needed services were not running like tftp, dhcpd, xdmcp, > etc. > I have got it running now using ltspadmin but I am afraid I might have > missed some of Erics special tricks. > Should I download the isos and start again. Or is there some way to fix > the situation. I want to install again soon (reinstalling over my current > k12ltsp5 server to set up loadbearing arrangement.) I would rather it worked > out of the box. Who knows someone else might need to take over running the > computer system here and I want to keep everything as simple as possible. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at midmaine.com Fri Dec 29 03:07:55 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 22:07:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Elementary school software needs... In-Reply-To: <45945747.5070004@hvja.org> References: <45945747.5070004@hvja.org> Message-ID: <1669.76.179.82.249.1167361675.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> kstars...ktouch..abiword is nice..moodle..and of course our first defense against alzheimers....freecell..8~) From luis.montes at cox.net Fri Dec 29 04:45:12 2006 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:45:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Elementary school software needs... In-Reply-To: <45945747.5070004@hvja.org> References: <45945747.5070004@hvja.org> Message-ID: <45949D58.9060407@cox.net> Tuxpaint above all else. Luis Huck wrote: > This is my first elementary school setup... > from Preschool to 8th grade. > > Am I missing any pertinent software in my menus? > (keep in mind the teacher have ONLY used what meager resources they > had in the past to teach typing and write papers) > > I have setup menu items for: > > openoffice(all components) > scribus > the gimp > gcompris(for the little dudes) > firefox(just installed 2.0 via the following *worked like a charm*: > wget > http://remi.collet.free.fr/rpms/fc6.i386/remi-release-1-2.fc6.remi.noarch.rpm > > rpm -Uvh remi-release-1-1.fc6.remi.noarch.rpm > yum --enable-repo=development update firefox > > calculator > terminal > connect 4, jezzball, mahjongg, minesweeper, solitare, and hangman ;) > > they gotta have SOME entertainment no? :) > > are there any uber-vital apps for elementary kids that I've missed? > TuxType/TuxMath? > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lists.john at gmail.com Fri Dec 29 13:32:54 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 08:32:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Testing actual network speeds In-Reply-To: <459457E2.6030707@snarlnet.com> References: <459457E2.6030707@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50612290532h590d3e47jcabc3bbec53e4a5@mail.gmail.com> Hi Carl, 1. Whats your memory usage look like when some of your clients aren't repainting very well? 2. Whats your CPU usage look like when some of your clients aren't repainting very well? 3. Make sure you have a gigabit card on the server going to that gigabit switch so that the servers nic isn't the bottleneck. For general network testing you could look at iperf http://dast.nlanr.net/Projects/Iperf/ Basically it has two parts, a server and a client. You install the server, which listens on a high port, and you use the client to send it chunks of data. I don't know that this would be informative on a k12ltsp setup, but you could always put a stand along machine in the mix and run the iperf client from there. John On 12/28/06, Carl Keil wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > Can anyone suggest a way to test my LAN speeds that I'm using for > K12LTSP? Screen redraws are jerky and slow on some of my clients. I've > always suspected my network cabling wasn't quite right, but I don't know > how to test it. When I request things from the web server on the > network and other network activities where I can "get a reading" of the > transfer speed it's usually about 30Mb/s. Which seems a little on the > low side. But that's not even my K12LTSP network, I don't know how to > test the speed between server and client. Clearly it's working at > 100BaseT, but it seems like there's got to be a bottleneck somewhere. > I'm using a consumer grade 1000BaseT switch for my thin client network > and I think it's helped some with having multiple clients going at the > same time, but I can't help thinking that each client could be doing > better? > > How do you folks test your network cabling? Is there a device in the > $100 range that might help? Can I run wireshark (or similar) on the > server and see what's going on with the clients? How would I set that up? > > Thanks, > > ck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Fri Dec 29 14:20:29 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 08:20:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] via vt1612 audio driver In-Reply-To: <46155.192.168.254.3.1167347715.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> References: <46155.192.168.254.3.1167347715.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Message-ID: <4595242D.7030207@maltzen.net> Does sound work if you boot a Knoppix disk on it? If so, what driver is it using? Or is that how you figured out you need the vt1612? Petre Barry Cisna wrote: > Hello list, > > Does anyone know by chance if anyone has any working clients with the via > vt1612 codec working. This has the SIS southbridge chipset. I m on > FC5/K12LTSP v5 > Ive tried loading almost all the "pci" sound modules,,but none are seen as > vailid with this onboard audio chip. > I think i'm up the creek for now:(... > > Thanks, > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Dec 29 14:31:44 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 08:31:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Elementary school software needs... In-Reply-To: <45945747.5070004@hvja.org> References: <45945747.5070004@hvja.org> Message-ID: <459526D0.1090406@maltzen.net> I'd try to give them the whole list of packages under Edutainment and Games in Gnome. To only give them what they ask for or only what we think of misses a great opportunity I think. *THAT'S* the power of Linux and LTSP, that it makes the cost of computing so cheap and ubiquitous that you can throw all kinds of stuff out there so that people can discover things we haven't even thought of. For example, say Gcompris appeals to only one or two kids in a given class; under the usual approach, those two kids won't get Gcompris because it's too expensive, too much administrative hassle to setup and maintain a program that only two kids are interested in, even if those would be great tools for those kids. But with K12LTSP, it is practical, affordable, and manageable. So, I'd let them see all all those apps. I haven't looked into it yet, but it would be nice to build a script that reads all the parameters for those programs from the Gnome menus and builds a corresponding menu for use with IceWM. Anyone know offhand what file(s) Gnome stores that info in? IOW, what does alacarte read to show the existing menu structure? Petre Huck wrote: > This is my first elementary school setup... > from Preschool to 8th grade. > > Am I missing any pertinent software in my menus? > (keep in mind the teacher have ONLY used what meager resources they had > in the past to teach typing and write papers) > > I have setup menu items for: > > openoffice(all components) > scribus > the gimp > gcompris(for the little dudes) > firefox(just installed 2.0 via the following *worked like a charm*: > wget > http://remi.collet.free.fr/rpms/fc6.i386/remi-release-1-2.fc6.remi.noarch.rpm > > rpm -Uvh remi-release-1-1.fc6.remi.noarch.rpm > yum --enable-repo=development update firefox > > calculator > terminal > connect 4, jezzball, mahjongg, minesweeper, solitare, and hangman ;) > > they gotta have SOME entertainment no? :) > > are there any uber-vital apps for elementary kids that I've missed? > TuxType/TuxMath? > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brcisna at eazylivin.net Fri Dec 29 21:50:50 2006 From: brcisna at eazylivin.net (Barry Cisna) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:50:50 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] via vt1612 audio driver Message-ID: <40445.192.168.254.3.1167429050.squirrel@www.eazylivin.net> Hi Petre, After some searching , come to find out this new client actually needed the SIS 7019 audio driver which i was able to dig up a how to at ltsp wiki. I had to compile the actual driver for this sound card(chip) for my kernel then drop it ,into the ltsp/sound/driver tree add the SMODULE_01 = sis7019 to the lts.conf for this client,and it works like a charm. I was just "assuming" i needed the vt1612 driver ,due to the fact that in the machine's bios it says that the vt1612 is the audio codec used. This is the mini-itx board that has the SIS550 chipset,but has a via(vt1612) audio chip. Kinda confusing.. If by chance anyone else has one of these,boards go to ltsp wiki,for the source to compile the sound module for whatever version/kernel you are using for K12ltsp. I can help as well if someone would need it. Thanks for the feedback Petre.. Have a happy new year everyone ! Barry Cisna From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 29 22:10:00 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:10:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Elementary school software needs... In-Reply-To: <45945747.5070004@hvja.org> Message-ID: <525599.92058.qm@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Childsplay and ktuberling (Potato Guy) -Rob --- Huck wrote: > This is my first elementary school setup... > from Preschool to 8th grade. > > Am I missing any pertinent software in my menus? > (keep in mind the teacher have ONLY used what meager > resources they had > in the past to teach typing and write papers) > > I have setup menu items for: > > openoffice(all components) > scribus > the gimp > gcompris(for the little dudes) > firefox(just installed 2.0 via the following *worked > like a charm*: > wget > http://remi.collet.free.fr/rpms/fc6.i386/remi-release-1-2.fc6.remi.noarch.rpm > rpm -Uvh remi-release-1-1.fc6.remi.noarch.rpm > yum --enable-repo=development update firefox > > calculator > terminal > connect 4, jezzball, mahjongg, minesweeper, > solitare, and hangman ;) > > they gotta have SOME entertainment no? :) > > are there any uber-vital apps for elementary kids > that I've missed? > TuxType/TuxMath? > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 29 22:12:22 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:12:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Elementary school software needs... In-Reply-To: <459526D0.1090406@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <330224.66697.qm@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree with you Petre, but I also find that people who are being given an operating system that they're not familiar with do better with less choices at first. It makes the menu tree seem less intimidating. Maybe a full menu tree and a good set of default application launchers is the answer. -Rob --- Petre Scheie wrote: > I'd try to give them the whole list of packages > under Edutainment and Games in Gnome. > To only give them what they ask for or only what we > think of misses a great opportunity > I think. *THAT'S* the power of Linux and LTSP, that > it makes the cost of computing so > cheap and ubiquitous that you can throw all kinds of > stuff out there so that people can > discover things we haven't even thought of. For > example, say Gcompris appeals to only > one or two kids in a given class; under the usual > approach, those two kids won't get > Gcompris because it's too expensive, too much > administrative hassle to setup and > maintain a program that only two kids are interested > in, even if those would be great > tools for those kids. But with K12LTSP, it is > practical, affordable, and manageable. > > So, I'd let them see all all those apps. I haven't > looked into it yet, but it would be > nice to build a script that reads all the parameters > for those programs from the Gnome > menus and builds a corresponding menu for use with > IceWM. Anyone know offhand what > file(s) Gnome stores that info in? IOW, what does > alacarte read to show the existing > menu structure? > > Petre > > Huck wrote: > > This is my first elementary school setup... > > from Preschool to 8th grade. > > > > Am I missing any pertinent software in my menus? > > (keep in mind the teacher have ONLY used what > meager resources they had > > in the past to teach typing and write papers) > > > > I have setup menu items for: > > > > openoffice(all components) > > scribus > > the gimp > > gcompris(for the little dudes) > > firefox(just installed 2.0 via the following > *worked like a charm*: > > wget > > > http://remi.collet.free.fr/rpms/fc6.i386/remi-release-1-2.fc6.remi.noarch.rpm > > > > > rpm -Uvh remi-release-1-1.fc6.remi.noarch.rpm > > yum --enable-repo=development update firefox > > > > calculator > > terminal > > connect 4, jezzball, mahjongg, minesweeper, > solitare, and hangman ;) > > > > they gotta have SOME entertainment no? :) > > > > are there any uber-vital apps for elementary kids > that I've missed? > > TuxType/TuxMath? > > > > --Huck > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sun Dec 31 13:44:45 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 02:44:45 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap on K12LTSP-6 errors Message-ID: Everything goes fine until this part of smbldap configure. It seems to be looking for Crypt/SmbHash but can't find it. cp "/etc/opt/IDEALX/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf" "/etc/opt/IDEALX/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf-Mon_Jan__1_01_42_55_2007.bak" Running smbldap-populate... printf "password\npassword" | smbldap-populate -a root -u 10000 -g 10000 Can't locate Crypt/SmbHash.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /opt/IDEALX/sbin/ /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.7/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.6/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.6 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.7/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.6/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.5/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.6 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.5 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8 .) at /opt/IDEALX/sbin//smbldap_tools.pm line 5, line 225. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /opt/IDEALX/sbin//smbldap_tools.pm line 5, line 225. Compilation failed in require at /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-populate line 35, line 225. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-populate line 35, line 225. failure! I'm stopping here because this is bad. I ran this command to try to find where this file is [root at k12ltsp1 smbldap-installer]# locate SmbHash.pm /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.3/Crypt/SmbHash.pm I then created a link #ln -s /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.3/Crypt /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/Crypt/ Was this a good idea? Now when I run it complains it can find the domain SID. [root at k12ltsp1 smbldap-installer]# /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap_tools.pm Unable to determine domain SID: please edit your smbldap.conf, or start your samba server for a few minutes to allow for SID generation to proceed What now? Thanks. Happy New Year. 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URL: From cliebow at midmaine.com Sun Dec 31 14:09:42 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:09:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap on K12LTSP-6 errors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4495.76.179.82.249.1167574182.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> you'll perhaps need to d/l that module from dag wieers site http://dag.wieers.com/packages/perl-Crypt-SmbHash/ From cliebow at midmaine.com Sun Dec 31 14:14:45 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:14:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap on K12LTSP-6 errors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3805.76.179.82.249.1167574485.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> net getlocalsid should spit out the sid if samaba is running..that needs to be in smbldap.conf From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 15:56:25 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 07:56:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] client resolution using vesa driver Message-ID: <741381.57809.qm@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Petre, I'm having the same problem, only it's not with the vesa driver. I had an old "real3d" card in a thin client and it only produced 800x600 max. I thought it was a problem w/ the card, so I swapped in a newer card from another system, and I'm still stuck with 800x600 max. In my lts.conf file, I specify 1280x1024 resolution (which I know this card is capable of). I don't have a full modeline, because I'm not sure how to pick a proper one for my lcd monitor. I'll keep playing around w/ it and see if I get anywhere... -Rob Petre wrote: I've installed FC6 (K12LTSP but without installing the LTSP parts) on a machine that I also use as a client for my K12LTSP 5 server. The FC6 correctly detects the Via video chipset on the motherboard, and in the xorg.conf file it uses the vesa driver. With this, it gives me a 1600x1200 resolution, which I like. However, as a client to my K12LTSP 5 server, during bootup, it says it cannot identify the video hardware and so it is falling back to using the vesa driver. That would seem to be okay since that's what the FC6 is using. But I can't get the resolution to be any higher than 800x600, despite various changes in the lts.conf file. Why would that be, since both are using the vesa driver? Petre __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 31 16:48:29 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 08:48:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] client resolution using vesa driver -- SOLVED !!! In-Reply-To: <741381.57809.qm@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061231164829.33466.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Petre, I fixed it on my machine using this line in lts.conf: X_HORZSYNC = "60-70" I got the idea from this page, where the author was also using an lcd monitor (search for 1280 to find the specific part of the page): http://osl.birzeit.edu:8080/wiki2/index.php/LTSP_guide_on_Fedora -Rob --- Rob Owens wrote: > Petre, > > I'm having the same problem, only it's not with the > vesa driver. I had an old "real3d" card in a thin > client and it only produced 800x600 max. I thought > it > was a problem w/ the card, so I swapped in a newer > card from another system, and I'm still stuck with > 800x600 max. > > In my lts.conf file, I specify 1280x1024 resolution > (which I know this card is capable of). I don't > have > a full modeline, because I'm not sure how to pick a > proper one for my lcd monitor. > > I'll keep playing around w/ it and see if I get > anywhere... > > -Rob > > Petre wrote: > > I've installed FC6 (K12LTSP but without installing > the > LTSP parts) on a machine that I also use as a client > for my K12LTSP 5 server. The FC6 correctly detects > the > Via video chipset on the motherboard, and in the > xorg.conf file it uses the vesa driver. With this, > it > gives me a 1600x1200 resolution, which I like. > However, as a client to my K12LTSP 5 server, during > bootup, it says it cannot identify the video > hardware > and so it is falling back to using the vesa driver. > That would seem to be okay since that's what the FC6 > is using. But I can't get the resolution to be any > higher than 800x600, despite various changes in the > lts.conf file. Why would that be, since both are > using > the vesa driver? > > Petre > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sun Dec 31 17:39:09 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 06:39:09 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap on K12LTSP-6 errors In-Reply-To: <3805.76.179.82.249.1167574485.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <3805.76.179.82.249.1167574485.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: samba is not running. [root at k12ltsp1 smbldap-installer]# service smb start Starting SMB services: [ OK ] Starting NMB services: [ OK ] [root at k12ltsp1 smbldap-installer]# net getlocalsid [2007/01/01 06:34:15, 0] utils/net.c:net_getlocalsid(583) Can't fetch domain SID for name: HKSCHOOL-PDC [root at k12ltsp1 smbldap-installer]# service smb status smbd dead but pid file exists nmbd (pid 14661 14659) is running... On 01/01/07, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > > net getlocalsid should spit out the sid if samaba is running..that needs > to be in smbldap.conf > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sun Dec 31 19:09:36 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 08:09:36 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap on K12LTSP-6 errors In-Reply-To: References: <3805.76.179.82.249.1167574485.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: If I stop ldap then smb runs but as soon as I restart ldap I get the "smbd dead but pid file exists" message again. When smb is running I can't get a sid because smb tries to call ldap which is not running. So there is something in ldap that is making smb crash. When I had this problem in the past it was because my ldif file was corrupted. Slapadd from backup fixed it. But that was with an installed system and I can't get to that stage yet. [root at k12ltsp1 smbldap-installer]# service ldap stop Stopping slapd: [OK] [root at k12ltsp1 smbldap-installer]# service smb restart Shutting down SMB services: [ OK ] Shutting down NMB services: [ OK ] Starting SMB services: [ OK ] Starting NMB services: [ OK ] [root at k12ltsp1 smbldap-installer]# service smb status smbd (pid 16207) is running... nmbd (pid 16211 16210) is running... [root at k12ltsp1 smbldap-installer]# service ldap start Checking configuration files for slapd: config file testing succeeded [ OK ] Starting slapd: [ OK ] [root at k12ltsp1 smbldap-installer]# service smb status smbd dead but pid file exists nmbd (pid 16211 16210) is running... On 01/01/07, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > samba is not running. > > [root at k12ltsp1 smbldap-installer]# service smb start > Starting SMB services: [ OK ] > Starting NMB services: [ OK ] > [root at k12ltsp1 smbldap-installer]# net getlocalsid > [2007/01/01 06:34:15, 0] utils/net.c:net_getlocalsid(583) > Can't fetch domain SID for name: HKSCHOOL-PDC > [root at k12ltsp1 smbldap-installer]# service smb status > smbd dead but pid file exists > nmbd (pid 14661 14659) is running... > > > On 01/01/07, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > > > > net getlocalsid should spit out the sid if samaba is running..that needs > > > > to be in smbldap.conf > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From cliebow at midmaine.com Sun Dec 31 20:20:38 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:20:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap on K12LTSP-6 errors In-Reply-To: References: <4495.76.179.82.249.1167574182.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <4710.76.179.82.249.1167596438.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> if you want you can send me slapd.conf and smb.conf..i wont promise anything..