From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Feb 1 00:09:20 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:09:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FYI: K12LTSP 4.2.3EL uploaded Message-ID: <43DFFC30.9040006@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I finished both the 32 and 64 bit versions of K12LTSP 4.2.3EL. Both have been uploaded and the repositories updated. If you have all of the updates installed for K12LTSP 4.2.xEL, the only new package is k12ltsp-release. If you want the shiny new ISOs, you will find them at: 32 bit (Pentium, P4, Athlon, etc) ================================== http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.2.3EL-32bit/iso/ ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.3EL-32bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-EL/* . 64 bit (Athlon64, Opteron, EM64T) ================================= http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.2.3EL-64bit/iso/ ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.3EL-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-EL-64bit/* . -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Scott Belford wrote: > >>I believe that you will need to do this >> >>echo 1 >> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > > > That happens in the /etc/rc.d/init.d/nat script. > It appears to be a NAT problem: while chkconfig shows that the /etc/init.d/nat script will be run for runlevels 2,3,4 & 5, it seems to quit working after a while. It's one of the few scripts that does not have a 'status' parameter, although I could probably check /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward. Since it wasn't working, I had the workstations plugged into the main network switch so that they bypassed the ltsp server. This afternoon, I re-ran the /etc/init.d/nat script and presto! it started working. So, I moved a couple of the Windows boxes back to the ltsp switch, and they were working fine. Then about three hours later I got a call from the users saying those machines couldn't connect to the internet. I ssh'd in, restarted NAT, and presto! it started working again. What would make it die like that? For now, I just made a crontab entry that restarts /etc/init.d/nat once per hour. I'd like to see its state under /proc when it stops working, but I don't want to put the users through the pain of it stopping again. From petre at maltzen.net Wed Feb 1 01:15:50 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:15:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] which XSERVER for riva128? Message-ID: <43E00BC6.4030805@maltzen.net> I've got a client workstation that can't seem to start its X server. When X tries to start, it fails but reports that the machine has a RIVA128 chip but it can't seem to start the X server (I forget the actual error message). I'm suprised that the XFree 4 drivers won't work. In any event, I can hardcode the X server for this workstation. Does anyone know which one I should use for the RIVA128? Petre From les at futuresource.com Wed Feb 1 02:30:29 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:30:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] server not forwarding packets for Windows clients In-Reply-To: <43E006F4.4090402@maltzen.net> References: <43DE6837.8080403@maltzen.net> <1138649572.9723.74.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <43DE7D0E.5080001@maltzen.net> <1138657528.9723.86.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <43DE9BFC.1010105@hosef.org> <1138672542.29229.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <43E006F4.4090402@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1138761029.32398.19.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 18:55, Petre Scheie wrote: > > > It appears to be a NAT problem: while chkconfig shows that the > /etc/init.d/nat script will be run for runlevels 2,3,4 & 5, it seems to > quit working after a while. It's one of the few scripts that does not > have a 'status' parameter, although I could probably check > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward. Most of the init scripts start some associated process. This one just makes an iptables setting. > Since it wasn't working, I had the > workstations plugged into the main network switch so that they bypassed > the ltsp server. This afternoon, I re-ran the /etc/init.d/nat script > and presto! it started working. So, I moved a couple of the Windows > boxes back to the ltsp switch, and they were working fine. Then about > three hours later I got a call from the users saying those machines > couldn't connect to the internet. I ssh'd in, restarted NAT, and > presto! it started working again. What would make it die like that? > For now, I just made a crontab entry that restarts /etc/init.d/nat once > per hour. I'd like to see its state under /proc when it stops working, > but I don't want to put the users through the pain of it stopping again. This is just a guess, but could you have viruses on the client windows boxes that are trying to connect to random addresses as fast as they can cycle through them? The nat module has to track the addresses with a table entry that will take a while to time out even if the connection does not succeed. You can see it with 'cat /proc/net/ip_conntrack'. If you see a lot of sequentially increasing addresses - or notice that when watching with tcpdump or ethereal you can be pretty sure it is a virus trying to spread. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 04:04:39 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:34:39 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] which XSERVER for riva128? In-Reply-To: <43E00BC6.4030805@maltzen.net> References: <43E00BC6.4030805@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <774593a20601312004g1b1290acocc5c3a4eda1aa1b2@mail.gmail.com> On 2/1/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > I've got a client workstation that can't seem to start its X server. > When X tries to start, it fails but reports that the machine has a > RIVA128 chip but it can't seem to start the X server (I forget the > actual error message). I'm suprised that the XFree 4 drivers won't > work. In any event, I can hardcode the X server for this workstation. > Does anyone know which one I should use for the RIVA128? In my experience vesa almost always works. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From robark at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 04:13:38 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:13:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] which XSERVER for riva128? In-Reply-To: <43E00BC6.4030805@maltzen.net> References: <43E00BC6.4030805@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On 1/31/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > I've got a client workstation that can't seem to start its X server. > When X tries to start, it fails but reports that the machine has a > RIVA128 chip but it can't seem to start the X server (I forget the > actual error message). I'm suprised that the XFree 4 drivers won't > work. In any event, I can hardcode the X server for this workstation. > Does anyone know which one I should use for the RIVA128? Yes, all my clients are RIVA128. The driver is "nv" but "auto" works just fine so I don't think you need to hardcode the driver. I bet the problem you are having is that the RIVA128 does not support 16 bit color. Your have to use 24 bit, which looks better anyway. Here is a cut/paste from x.org "nv is an Xorg driver for NVIDIA video cards. The driver supports 2D acceleration and provides support for the following framebuffer depths: 8, 15, 16 (except Riva128) and 24. All visual types are supported for depth 8, TrueColor and DirectColor visuals are supported for the other depths with the exception of the Riva128 which only supports TrueColor in the higher depths." -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Feb 1 04:33:37 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:33:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] which XSERVER for riva128? In-Reply-To: References: <43E00BC6.4030805@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 1/31/06, Petre Scheie wrote: >> I've got a client workstation that can't seem to start its X server. >> When X tries to start, it fails but reports that the machine has a >> RIVA128 chip but it can't seem to start the X server (I forget the >> actual error message). I'm suprised that the XFree 4 drivers won't >> work. In any event, I can hardcode the X server for this workstation. >> Does anyone know which one I should use for the RIVA128? > > Yes, all my clients are RIVA128. The driver is "nv" but "auto" works > just fine so I don't think you need to hardcode the driver. I bet the > problem you are having is that the RIVA128 does not support 16 bit > color. Your have to use 24 bit, which looks better anyway. > To set "24 bit color" on a specific workstation, append a section such as this to your /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf [00:50:56:59:7F:81] X_COLOR_DEPTH = 24 (where "00:50:56:59:7F:81" is the MAC address of the client. Alternatively, you can use the IP address or the host name of the client if you have either of those hard-coded. Using the MAC address is the most reliable) If you want all workstations to use 24-bit color (looks better, but uses more network bandwidth), then add the "X_COLOR_DEPTH = 24" line to the "[Default]" section at the top of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf -Eric From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed Feb 1 04:39:18 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:39:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] HP Compaq thin client t5515 Message-ID: I've got a line on some cheap used 64 meg HP Compaq thin client t5515 models... Does anyone know if these will work with K12LTSP? I've read the Server OS compatibility/support: Microsoft? Windows? NT Server 4.0 family, Microsoft Windows 2003 Server family, Microsoft Windows 2000 Server family (except data center addition); Microsoft Windows 2003 Server Terminal Services, Citrix Metaframe XP and Citrix Presentation Server, Linux, Unix But does this really mean us, too?? Thanks, Jim From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Wed Feb 1 12:34:43 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:34:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] hiding smbmount share from the desktop Message-ID: <59301.216.24.126.68.1138797283.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello List, Would someone be able to tell me how to hide the smbmount share desktop icon from showing on everyone's desktop, of a share that is needed by everyone to access a database? K12LTSP v 4.1.1 Thanks You, Barry Cisna From dackerman at apnts.org Wed Feb 1 13:26:36 2006 From: dackerman at apnts.org (David Ackerman) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:26:36 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Screensaver Login Problem Message-ID: <000e01c62733$223c7280$0300a8c0@DAGATEWAY> I am setting up a small lab of 5-10 clients with K12ltsp server. I have two immediate questions. 1. I am having problems with screensaver locking: People leave without logging out. The screen saver comes on after a bit. The only option is to put in the password of the person who left without logging off. A person cannot change the account name; no cursor, only option is to know the password of the person logged on. If a person does not do this, the client is more or less stuck. A person would have to do a hard restart of the client. I did figure out a quick reboot with control-alt-backspace, but I don't like this option and it will confuse people. How can I make it so that the client automatically logs out after a set period of time, perhaps when the screen saver comes on? Can the desktop automatically be saved with an auto-logout? I am relatively new at linux, so simple, direct or complete answers would really help me resolve this. I could not find anything in the forum archives to really help me with this. I can find some technical assistant nearby, though. 2. We want to put the K12 server in a separate building but access it from across out campus (at least 2 locations at this point but others in the future). We cannot dedicate a vlan solely to K12 because there are some windows xp machines on it as well. How can we make it so that the thin clients can boot to the k12 server and the K12 server not mess up the Windows machines? Would the Windows machines pick up their IP from the K12 server? Could the two simultaneously be on the same vlan? I think this really looks promising for our school which has no money for new hardware. Any help would be appreciated. David Ackerman Asia-Pacific Nazarene Theological Seminary Philippines -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hackl at lskysd.ca Wed Feb 1 13:39:31 2006 From: hackl at lskysd.ca (Ryan Hackl - Spiritwood High) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:39:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] HP Compaq thin client t5515 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060201133824.M67974@bsd.sk.ca> We use the HP t5515 with LTSP with great success. Just change the BIOS settings to boot first from the network, and you're set to go. Ryan Hackl IT Services Living Sky School Division North Battleford, SK ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Jim Christiansen" To: k12osn at redhat.com Cc: jim at linux.ca Sent: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:39:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] HP Compaq thin client t5515 > I've got a line on some cheap used 64 meg HP Compaq thin client > t5515 models... > > Does anyone know if these will work with K12LTSP? I've read the > Server OS compatibility/support: > > Microsoft? Windows? NT Server 4.0 family, Microsoft Windows 2003 > Server family, Microsoft Windows 2000 Server family (except data > center addition); Microsoft Windows 2003 Server Terminal Services, > Citrix Metaframe XP and Citrix Presentation Server, Linux, Unix > > But does this really mean us, too?? > > Thanks, Jim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ------- End of Original Message ------- From norm.hanna at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 14:16:08 2006 From: norm.hanna at gmail.com (norm hanna) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:16:08 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] How to make a local repository for K12ltsp 4.4.1? Message-ID: <229768c70602010616j564562awe63f55c2fd97a933@mail.gmail.com> All, I had a hard drive go bad yesterday, and needed to rebuild a server. I boot with the command line "linux askmethod" and perform an "http install" from my local fileserver. The longest part of the rebuild was downloading all the updated packages using yum update, as the update went out to the internet to get the files. To simplify recoveries in the future, I would like to keep all files for rebuilding the k12ltsp servers on a local server. What is the best source to rsync from to only get 4.4.1 k12ltsp? How big will this repository be? Specifically, what gpg keys do I need to download as well? I ran into some problems with installing the xfce (yum install xfce4*) , one of the packages (pkginfo or something like that) indicated that the k12ltsp keys were not correct. What changes do I need to make to the local files to use the local repository? regards, norm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Wed Feb 1 14:18:15 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:18:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] server not forwarding packets for Windows clients In-Reply-To: <1138761029.32398.19.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <43DE6837.8080403@maltzen.net> <1138649572.9723.74.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <43DE7D0E.5080001@maltzen.net> <1138657528.9723.86.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <43DE9BFC.1010105@hosef.org> <1138672542.29229.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <43E006F4.4090402@maltzen.net> <1138761029.32398.19.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <43E0C327.9020508@maltzen.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 18:55, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>It appears to be a NAT problem: while chkconfig shows that the >>/etc/init.d/nat script will be run for runlevels 2,3,4 & 5, it seems to >>quit working after a while. It's one of the few scripts that does not >>have a 'status' parameter, although I could probably check >>/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward. > > > Most of the init scripts start some associated process. This one > just makes an iptables setting. > > >> Since it wasn't working, I had the >>workstations plugged into the main network switch so that they bypassed >>the ltsp server. This afternoon, I re-ran the /etc/init.d/nat script >>and presto! it started working. So, I moved a couple of the Windows >>boxes back to the ltsp switch, and they were working fine. Then about >>three hours later I got a call from the users saying those machines >>couldn't connect to the internet. I ssh'd in, restarted NAT, and >>presto! it started working again. What would make it die like that? >>For now, I just made a crontab entry that restarts /etc/init.d/nat once >>per hour. I'd like to see its state under /proc when it stops working, >>but I don't want to put the users through the pain of it stopping again. > > > This is just a guess, but could you have viruses on the client > windows boxes that are trying to connect to random addresses > as fast as they can cycle through them? The nat module has to track > the addresses with a table entry that will take a while to time out > even if the connection does not succeed. You can see it with > 'cat /proc/net/ip_conntrack'. If you see a lot of sequentially > increasing addresses - or notice that when watching with tcpdump or > ethereal you can be pretty sure it is a virus trying to spread. > Considering that the client machines are all donated, I'd say yes, a virus is quite possible. The machines were already present when I arrived on the scene, so I have no idea about their heritage. I looked at /proc/net/ip_conntrack but there were only a few entries, but it was late in the evening and I'm not sure if the machines were still turned on. I setup a cronjob to log the output from /proc/net/ip_conntrack. I also turned off the nat restarting script: when I checked /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward this morning, it was still set to 1, but of course the office is empty overnight. I'm logging ip_forward's state every ten minutes to see if anything changes. From petre at maltzen.net Wed Feb 1 14:26:32 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:26:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Screensaver Login Problem In-Reply-To: <000e01c62733$223c7280$0300a8c0@DAGATEWAY> References: <000e01c62733$223c7280$0300a8c0@DAGATEWAY> Message-ID: <43E0C518.5060403@maltzen.net> David Ackerman wrote: > > 2. We want to put the K12 server in a separate building but access > it from across out campus (at least 2 locations at this point but others > in the future). We cannot dedicate a vlan solely to K12 because there > are some windows xp machines on it as well. How can we make it so that > the thin clients can boot to the k12 server and the K12 server not mess > up the Windows machines? Would the Windows machines pick up their IP > from the K12 server? Could the two simultaneously be on the same vlan? > Yes, the Windows machines can get their IP addresses from the K12 server with no ill effects; they just ignore all the info that's provided for the thin clients. Make sure you only have one DHCP server on any given network segment. If your K12 server is providing addresses on the same network as some other DHCP server you will have major problems. K12 is designed to have two network cards in the server: one to connect to the existing network, and the other to connect to the thin clients. The DHCP server only provides addresses on the thin client segment. If you have Windows boxes on this segment, they'll be just fine as mentioned above. Petre From petre at maltzen.net Wed Feb 1 14:32:18 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:32:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using clients' network boot BIOS option Message-ID: <43E0C672.5060407@maltzen.net> Machines of the past few years usually have an option in their BIOS to boot from the LAN. But whenever I've tried using it with a K12LTSTP server, it doesn't work, the client doesn't boot from the server. Should this work? Do I have to add something to lts.conf? I generally favor boot floppies, but I've got one machine that starts to boot from the floppy but then the screen goes grey and I get a line of garbage characters in the middle of the screen. So, I need an alternative way to at least test booting. This machine has a boot from lan option, but like all the others I've tried, it doesn't seem to work. Petre From ssanders at coin.org Wed Feb 1 14:45:43 2006 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:45:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] USB drives from thin clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1138805143.9488.7.camel@bofh.ltsp> > It works automagically for me. Use MToolsFM and pick 'u' as the drive. > - I have floppyd uncommented, and MToolsFM does not show anything on a FAT32 USB key on a client. There is a choice for drive U. Is there anything else to check? From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Feb 1 14:36:17 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 07:36:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] HP Compaq thin client t5515 Message-ID: <20060201073617.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.16596f4ee0.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> We use them along with the HP 17" LCD and love them. We got the 128MB model, however, that memory is wasted since it is booting off of the server. The Linux OS that is loaded is pretty slow if the system boots from flash. It works great when booting from the LTSP server. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] HP Compaq thin client t5515 > From: "Ryan Hackl - Spiritwood High" > Date: Wed, February 01, 2006 7:39 am > To: jim at linux.ca, "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > We use the HP t5515 with LTSP with great success. > > Just change the BIOS settings to boot first from the network, and you're set > to go. > > Ryan Hackl > IT Services > Living Sky School Division > North Battleford, SK > > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > From: "Jim Christiansen" > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Cc: jim at linux.ca > Sent: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:39:18 -0700 > Subject: [K12OSN] HP Compaq thin client t5515 > > > I've got a line on some cheap used 64 meg HP Compaq thin client > > t5515 models... > > > > Does anyone know if these will work with K12LTSP? I've read the > > Server OS compatibility/support: > > > > Microsoft? Windows? NT Server 4.0 family, Microsoft Windows 2003 > > Server family, Microsoft Windows 2000 Server family (except data > > center addition); Microsoft Windows 2003 Server Terminal Services, > > Citrix Metaframe XP and Citrix Presentation Server, Linux, Unix > > > > But does this really mean us, too?? > > > > Thanks, Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > ------- End of Original Message ------- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mark at ehle.homelinux.org Wed Feb 1 15:26:00 2006 From: mark at ehle.homelinux.org (mark at ehle.homelinux.org) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 10:26:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HP Compaq thin client t5515 In-Reply-To: <20060201073617.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.16596f4ee0.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20060201073617.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.16596f4ee0.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <1138807560.43e0d30886125@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> Is there a list somewhere of what thinclients work with K12KTSP? What other compaq tc's work? Thanks - Mark Quoting rmcdaniel at indata.us: > We use them along with the HP 17" LCD and love them. We got the 128MB > model, however, that memory is wasted since it is booting off of the > server. The Linux OS that is loaded is pretty slow if the system boots > from flash. It works great when booting from the LTSP server. > > > Ron > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] HP Compaq thin client t5515 > > From: "Ryan Hackl - Spiritwood High" > > Date: Wed, February 01, 2006 7:39 am > > To: jim at linux.ca, "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > > > We use the HP t5515 with LTSP with great success. > > > > Just change the BIOS settings to boot first from the network, and you're > set > > to go. > > > > Ryan Hackl > > IT Services > > Living Sky School Division > > North Battleford, SK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > > From: "Jim Christiansen" > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Cc: jim at linux.ca > > Sent: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:39:18 -0700 > > Subject: [K12OSN] HP Compaq thin client t5515 > > > > > I've got a line on some cheap used 64 meg HP Compaq thin client > > > t5515 models... > > > > > > Does anyone know if these will work with K12LTSP? I've read the > > > Server OS compatibility/support: > > > > > > Microsoft? Windows? NT Server 4.0 family, Microsoft Windows 2003 > > > Server family, Microsoft Windows 2000 Server family (except data > > > center addition); Microsoft Windows 2003 Server Terminal Services, > > > Citrix Metaframe XP and Citrix Presentation Server, Linux, Unix > > > > > > But does this really mean us, too?? > > > > > > Thanks, Jim > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > ------- End of Original Message ------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed Feb 1 15:53:44 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:53:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Help!! All clients fail to log onto desktop Message-ID: Help! I got to work this morning to find 30 students milling around the library computer all asking me to fix the server... All of the terminals will boot up to our logon screen. The boxes accept logons and progress to the plain icewm background- but no taskbar. I had a student helper start a DMCP Chooser from a linux standalone in my room to logonto the library server... Everythning is fine... Full desktop. I haven't made any recent changes to this server. Please, any ideas are welcomed. Jim From les at futuresource.com Wed Feb 1 15:58:11 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 09:58:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using clients' network boot BIOS option In-Reply-To: <43E0C672.5060407@maltzen.net> References: <43E0C672.5060407@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1138809491.15703.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-02-01 at 08:32, Petre Scheie wrote: > Machines of the past few years usually have an option in their BIOS to boot from the > LAN. But whenever I've tried using it with a K12LTSTP server, it doesn't work, the > client doesn't boot from the server. Should this work? I'd rephrase that as 'they were *supposed* to boot from the lan. Many need bios updates to actually work. Dell is very good about keeping old flash updates available, but with others you might have to track down the motherboard vendor. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mll at mtwp.net Wed Feb 1 16:09:24 2006 From: mll at mtwp.net (Mike Lichtenwalner) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:09:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Screensaver Login Problem In-Reply-To: <000e01c62733$223c7280$0300a8c0@DAGATEWAY> References: <000e01c62733$223c7280$0300a8c0@DAGATEWAY> Message-ID: <43E0DD34.6070700@mtwp.net> David Ackerman wrote: > 1. I am having problems with screensaver locking: You could turn off the locking mechanism on the screensaver. Eric posted this in August: I'm guessing that if you edit: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver and change the "*lock:" and "*lockVTs:" entries from: *lock: True *lockVTs: False to: *lock: False *lockVTs: True Mike From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed Feb 1 16:24:51 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 09:24:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Help!! All clients fail to log onto desktop Message-ID: Added info- There is no working right-click when the icewm taskbar fails to finish loading in the library... I only have the colored background. When a student boots from the standalone linux box in my classroom using DMCP Chooser into the K12LTSP server running the library everything works as it should. Desktop, right click, taskbar... Man this is wierd. I never imagined this even as a remote eventuality. Jim From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed Feb 1 16:39:42 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 09:39:42 -0700 Subject: FIXED RE: [K12OSN] Help!! All clients fail to log onto desktop Message-ID: OK, I rebooted... Sorry, I'm so used to this just working I didn't even think... From chandler_a at sgusd.k12.ca.us Wed Feb 1 16:42:02 2006 From: chandler_a at sgusd.k12.ca.us (chandler_a at sgusd.k12.ca.us) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:42:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Autoreply: K12OSN Digest, Vol 24, Issue 1 Message-ID: I will be out of the office February 1st and 2nd. Please call 451-5450 if you require urgent assistance. thank you From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Feb 1 16:51:45 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:51:45 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How to make a local repository for K12ltsp 4.4.1? In-Reply-To: <229768c70602010616j564562awe63f55c2fd97a933@mail.gmail.com> References: <229768c70602010616j564562awe63f55c2fd97a933@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43E0E721.8010601@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> norm hanna wrote: > All, > > I had a hard drive go bad yesterday, and needed to rebuild a server. I boot > with the command line "linux askmethod" and perform an "http install" from > my local fileserver. The longest part of the rebuild was downloading all > the updated packages using yum update, as the update went out to the > internet to get the files. > > To simplify recoveries in the future, I would like to keep all files for > rebuilding the k12ltsp servers on a local server. > > What is the best source to rsync from to only get 4.4.1 k12ltsp? How big > will this repository be? The whole thing is 11GB (including ISOs, etc). $ cd /var/ftp/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.1/ $ du -shc * 8.0K base 12K CHANGELOG 56M headers 2.9G i386 2.9G iso 15M repodata 483M RPMS 295M SRPMS 3.9G updates 11G total "i386" is the directory you can install off of. "updates" are all of the official Fedora updates. "RPMS" and "SRPMS" are there mostly for convenience, they are copies of the k12ltsp-specific packages buried in the "i386" directory. If you just want the updates, all you need is the updates directory. You'll need to rsync to k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us if you want the whole thing. If you just want the updates, any of the official Fedora mirrors will do, such as kernel.org: rsync mirrors.kernel.org::fedora/core/updates/4/i386/ > Specifically, what gpg keys do I need to download as well? I ran into some > problems with installing the xfce (yum install xfce4*) , one of the packages > (pkginfo or something like that) indicated that the k12ltsp keys were not > correct. > > What changes do I need to make to the local files to use the local > repository? > Copy /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo to /etc/yum.repos.d/local.repo. Edit /etc/yum.repos.d/k12ltsp.repo so that it looks something like this: [local] name=local baseurl=http://yourserver/path/to/repository gpgkey=http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/BETA-RPM-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/FEDORA-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/FEDORA-LEGACY-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-test enabled=1 gpgcheck=1 where "yourserver" is your web server (or change it to ftp://yourserver if it is a FTP server) and "/path/to/repository" is where the repository is located. If you put the repository on a web server called "k12ltsp-mirror" in the /var/www/html/k12ltsp-4.2/ directory, the baseurl would be: http://k12ltsp-mirror/k12ltsp-4.2/ Any web or ftp server will do. If you sync the updates directory off of one of the official Fedora mirrors, that is all you should need to do. If you sync off of K12LTSP and/or make any local modifications, you'll need to rebuild the repository information. After each time you rsync (we'll keep using /var/www/html/k12ltsp-4.2/ as an example), you need to run "createrepo". If you don't have "createrepo", install it with "yum install createrepo" To use createrepo, just cd to the base directory of your repository and run the command. Such as: cd /var/www/html/k12ltsp-4.2/ createrepo . -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I *think* you need 4.2.x or greater. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From chandler_a at sgusd.k12.ca.us Wed Feb 1 17:00:56 2006 From: chandler_a at sgusd.k12.ca.us (chandler_a at sgusd.k12.ca.us) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:00:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Autoreply: K12OSN Digest, Vol 24, Issue 2 Message-ID: I will be out of the office February 1st and 2nd. Please call 451-5450 if you require urgent assistance. thank you From ssanders at coin.org Wed Feb 1 17:23:40 2006 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:23:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] USB drives from thin clients In-Reply-To: References: <1138805143.9488.7.camel@bofh.ltsp> Message-ID: <1138814620.9488.25.camel@bofh.ltsp> I am using 4.4.1 on FC4. Sorry, I meant to mention that, then let the email hang for a long time before sending. From robark at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 18:13:13 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 10:13:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] USB drives from thin clients In-Reply-To: <1138805143.9488.7.camel@bofh.ltsp> References: <1138805143.9488.7.camel@bofh.ltsp> Message-ID: On 2/1/06, ssanders at coin.org wrote: > > > It works automagically for me. Use MToolsFM and pick 'u' as the drive. > > - > > I have floppyd uncommented, and MToolsFM does not show anything on a > FAT32 USB key on a client. There is a choice for drive U. Is there > anything else to check? Yes, check your client bios to ensure usb is enabled. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From petre at maltzen.net Wed Feb 1 22:04:11 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:04:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] what does /usr/bin/ltspinfo do? Message-ID: <43E1305B.9060403@maltzen.net> I've noticed for several months that when I ssh into a k12ltsp box from a remote location, that while I get connected quickly, it takes about 60 seconds before I get a prompt. I've traced the problem to the call to ltspinfo in /etc/profile.d/ltsp.sh which is sourced during login. Here's the line: eval `/usr/bin/ltspinfo -h $LTSP_CLIENT -c all 2> /dev/null` Since I'm coming from a remote location, rather than a client, I'm guessing that $LTSP_CLIENT, which holds the address of where I'm coming from, and therefore is not part of the client subnet, is causing the trouble; the problem does not occur when I ssh in from a machine on the same local network as the server. Is this command trying to talk to ltspinfod on my remote machine? Since I'm not a thin client, it doesn't exist, and presumably the above eventually times out waiting for an answer that will never come. But that doesn't explain why I don't have the same problem when I connect from a non-thin-clint machine that is on the same subnet. Anyone seeing this problem? Petre From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Feb 1 22:11:28 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:11:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] what does /usr/bin/ltspinfo do? In-Reply-To: <43E1305B.9060403@maltzen.net> References: <43E1305B.9060403@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43E13210.3070401@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > I've noticed for several months that when I ssh into a k12ltsp box from > a remote location, that while I get connected quickly, it takes about 60 > seconds before I get a prompt. I've traced the problem to the call to > ltspinfo in /etc/profile.d/ltsp.sh which is sourced during login. > Here's the line: > > eval `/usr/bin/ltspinfo -h $LTSP_CLIENT -c all 2> /dev/null` > > Since I'm coming from a remote location, rather than a client, I'm > guessing that $LTSP_CLIENT, which holds the address of where I'm coming > from, and therefore is not part of the client subnet, is causing the > trouble; the problem does not occur when I ssh in from a machine on the > same local network as the server. Is this command trying to talk to > ltspinfod on my remote machine? Since I'm not a thin client, it doesn't > exist, and presumably the above eventually times out waiting for an > answer that will never come. But that doesn't explain why I don't have > the same problem when I connect from a non-thin-clint machine that is on > the same subnet. Anyone seeing this problem? > > Petre > You are correct that ltspinfo tries to make a connection to ltspinfod on the remote machine. I'm guessing that your firewall drops packets rather than rejects them. Ltspinfo will keep on trying to connect for up to 60 seconds. If it does get a reject, it stops trying immediately. You can change this by editing /usr/bin/ltspinfo and changing: my $timeout = 60; to something shorter. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From william at fragakis.com Wed Feb 1 22:44:12 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:44:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 24, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <20060201164000.0175F7337E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060201164000.0175F7337E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <336693c199546a7e99e6dcbe8431e654@fragakis.com> iirc, you also need to edit the file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver.ltsp I may be totally wrong on this but this file is for the clients, the other for the server. Editing this one seems to do it for us. regards, William On Feb 1, 2006, at 11:40 AM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 26 > Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:09:24 -0500 > From: Mike Lichtenwalner > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Screensaver Login Problem > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <43E0DD34.6070700 at mtwp.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > David Ackerman wrote: >> 1. I am having problems with screensaver locking: > > You could turn off the locking mechanism on the screensaver. Eric > posted > this in August: > > I'm guessing that if you edit: > > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver > > > and change the "*lock:" and "*lockVTs:" entries from: > > *lock: True > *lockVTs: False > > to: > > *lock: False > *lockVTs: True > > > > Mike > From jam at mcquil.com Wed Feb 1 23:57:55 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:57:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] what does /usr/bin/ltspinfo do? In-Reply-To: <43E13210.3070401@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43E1305B.9060403@maltzen.net> <43E13210.3070401@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43E14B03.7040605@McQuil.com> I think a better fix for this would be to insert an 'if' statement before the call to ltspinfo, to test for some indiciation that the user is coming in via ssh. Maybe test for $SSH_CONNECTION. If it's set, then don't bother calling ltspinfo, cuz the user isn't on a thin client. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Eric Harrison wrote: > Petre Scheie wrote: >> I've noticed for several months that when I ssh into a k12ltsp box from >> a remote location, that while I get connected quickly, it takes about 60 >> seconds before I get a prompt. I've traced the problem to the call to >> ltspinfo in /etc/profile.d/ltsp.sh which is sourced during login. >> Here's the line: >> >> eval `/usr/bin/ltspinfo -h $LTSP_CLIENT -c all 2> /dev/null` >> >> Since I'm coming from a remote location, rather than a client, I'm >> guessing that $LTSP_CLIENT, which holds the address of where I'm coming >> from, and therefore is not part of the client subnet, is causing the >> trouble; the problem does not occur when I ssh in from a machine on the >> same local network as the server. Is this command trying to talk to >> ltspinfod on my remote machine? Since I'm not a thin client, it doesn't >> exist, and presumably the above eventually times out waiting for an >> answer that will never come. But that doesn't explain why I don't have >> the same problem when I connect from a non-thin-clint machine that is on >> the same subnet. Anyone seeing this problem? >> >> Petre >> > > > You are correct that ltspinfo tries to make a connection to ltspinfod on > the remote machine. > > I'm guessing that your firewall drops packets rather than rejects them. > Ltspinfo will keep on trying to connect for up to 60 seconds. If it does > get a reject, it stops trying immediately. > > You can change this by editing /usr/bin/ltspinfo and changing: > > my $timeout = 60; > > to something shorter. > > > -Eric > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Thu Feb 2 00:11:39 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:11:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] what does /usr/bin/ltspinfo do? In-Reply-To: <43E14B03.7040605@McQuil.com> References: <43E1305B.9060403@maltzen.net> <43E13210.3070401@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <43E14B03.7040605@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <43E14E3B.5050009@maltzen.net> My thought was to check $LTSP_CLIENT and if it's not in the same subnet as the clients, then skip the call. But perhaps checking $SSH_CONNECTION would be better. Jim McQuillan wrote: > I think a better fix for this would be to insert an 'if' statement > before the call to ltspinfo, to test for some indiciation that the user > is coming in via ssh. Maybe test for $SSH_CONNECTION. If it's set, > then don't bother calling ltspinfo, cuz the user isn't on a thin client. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > Eric Harrison wrote: > >> Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>> I've noticed for several months that when I ssh into a k12ltsp box from >>> a remote location, that while I get connected quickly, it takes about 60 >>> seconds before I get a prompt. I've traced the problem to the call to >>> ltspinfo in /etc/profile.d/ltsp.sh which is sourced during login. >>> Here's the line: >>> >>> eval `/usr/bin/ltspinfo -h $LTSP_CLIENT -c all 2> /dev/null` >>> >>> Since I'm coming from a remote location, rather than a client, I'm >>> guessing that $LTSP_CLIENT, which holds the address of where I'm coming >>> from, and therefore is not part of the client subnet, is causing the >>> trouble; the problem does not occur when I ssh in from a machine on the >>> same local network as the server. Is this command trying to talk to >>> ltspinfod on my remote machine? Since I'm not a thin client, it doesn't >>> exist, and presumably the above eventually times out waiting for an >>> answer that will never come. But that doesn't explain why I don't have >>> the same problem when I connect from a non-thin-clint machine that is on >>> the same subnet. Anyone seeing this problem? >>> >>> Petre >>> >> >> >> You are correct that ltspinfo tries to make a connection to ltspinfod on >> the remote machine. >> >> I'm guessing that your firewall drops packets rather than rejects them. >> Ltspinfo will keep on trying to connect for up to 60 seconds. If it does >> get a reject, it stops trying immediately. >> >> You can change this by editing /usr/bin/ltspinfo and changing: >> >> my $timeout = 60; >> >> to something shorter. >> >> >> -Eric >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Thu Feb 2 02:57:10 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:57:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] dmesg strange output Message-ID: <58200.172.28.8.67.1138849030.squirrel@hi1> Hello List, Just wondering if anyone would have any ideas,on why one of the servers we have gives this output when i run dmesg on it? It has output like this from start to end,with nothing meaningfull mixed in? 20*4kB 20*8kB 8*16kB 5*32kB 3*64kB 0*128kB 2*256kB 0*512kB 0*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 1232kB HighMem: empty Swap cache: add 427919, delete 427285, find 6564/10034, race 0+0 Out of Memory: Killed process 10611 (xine). oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x1d2 DMA per-cpu: cpu 0 hot: low 2, high 6, batch 1 cpu 0 cold: low 0, high 2, batch 1 Normal per-cpu: cpu 0 hot: low 32, high 96, batch 16 cpu 0 cold: low 0, high 32, batch 16 HighMem per-cpu: empty Free pages: 1244kB (0kB HighMem) Active:370949 inactive:8257 dirty:0 writeback:0 unstable:0 free:311 slab:4256 mapped:378656 pagetables:2029 DMA free:12kB min:12kB low:24kB high:36kB active:12700kB inactive:0kB present:16384kB protections[]: 0 0 0 Normal free:1232kB min:1236kB low:2472kB high:3708kB active:1471096kB inactive:33028kB present:1556416kB protections[]: 0 0 0 HighMem free:0kB min:128kB low:256kB high:384kB active:0kB inactive:0kB pr Thanks, Barry Cisna From jam at mcquil.com Thu Feb 2 02:59:22 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:59:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dmesg strange output In-Reply-To: <58200.172.28.8.67.1138849030.squirrel@hi1> References: <58200.172.28.8.67.1138849030.squirrel@hi1> Message-ID: <43E1758A.9020604@McQuil.com> Barry, It's pretty obvious that it's running out of ram, and the kernel is killing processes to free up some space. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > Hello List, > > Just wondering if anyone would have any ideas,on why one of the servers we > have gives this output when i run dmesg on it? It has output like this > from start to end,with nothing meaningfull mixed in? > > 20*4kB 20*8kB 8*16kB 5*32kB 3*64kB 0*128kB 2*256kB 0*512kB 0*1024kB > 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 1232kB > HighMem: empty > Swap cache: add 427919, delete 427285, find 6564/10034, race 0+0 > Out of Memory: Killed process 10611 (xine). > oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x1d2 > DMA per-cpu: > cpu 0 hot: low 2, high 6, batch 1 > cpu 0 cold: low 0, high 2, batch 1 > Normal per-cpu: > cpu 0 hot: low 32, high 96, batch 16 > cpu 0 cold: low 0, high 32, batch 16 > HighMem per-cpu: empty > > Free pages: 1244kB (0kB HighMem) > Active:370949 inactive:8257 dirty:0 writeback:0 unstable:0 free:311 > slab:4256 mapped:378656 pagetables:2029 > DMA free:12kB min:12kB low:24kB high:36kB active:12700kB inactive:0kB > present:16384kB > protections[]: 0 0 0 > Normal free:1232kB min:1236kB low:2472kB high:3708kB active:1471096kB > inactive:33028kB present:1556416kB > protections[]: 0 0 0 > HighMem free:0kB min:128kB low:256kB high:384kB active:0kB inactive:0kB pr > > > > Thanks, > > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Thu Feb 2 03:19:59 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:19:59 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] dmesg strange output Message-ID: <60023.70.96.75.10.1138850399.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Hello List, I found the problem to the above post. A simple reboot,& a dmesg threw out the correct output. I m wondering if the processor in this old server is going south maybe? Memory maybe going bonkers? It runs fine is the strange thing. Just wondering if anyone has ever had this strange dmesg output? Thanks, Barry Cisna From trond at maehlum.net Thu Feb 2 08:17:31 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:17:31 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] gnome-settings-daemon and esd-sound Message-ID: <43E1C01B.6060200@maehlum.net> The two questions in the topic is not related. I think. I am using icewm, and I see that gnome-settings-daemon is started. What exactly does this do? Also, when using esd for sound, what takes of care sending oss sound through esd? The reason for asking is that I am testing a Skolelinux LTSP server (Debian). I know this is off-topic, but please forgive me. I am trying to port some K12LTSP spesific things over to the Skolelinux server. I have also looked at Ubuntu and Edubuntu. Now, when I set up esd as sound daemon, I get sound from xmms and mplayer when I set esound as sound-system. Gcompris and Tuxmath reports "no sound" and do not play anything. I suspect this is because they use oss and it does not get redirected to esd. When I choose nasd, I get everything playing, but after installing libaudiooss. Is there a similar "glue" to make oss play through esd, like libaudiooss does this for nas? I know this is not K12LTSP spesific, but I am asking anyway since the general Linux knowledge here is awesome. Best regards Trond Maehlum From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Thu Feb 2 13:29:22 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 07:29:22 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: routers/ kvm switch FS Message-ID: <58861.172.28.8.55.1138886962.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello LIst,, This is way off topic,but thought possibly someone here might be able to use these. Our school joined into a wireless network at the beginning of this school year,& we wound up with some extra hardware. We have a Cisco router 2500 with all interface cables etc,and the external dsu box /cables with it. We have a brand new Netvanta 5000 router which is comparable to the new series Cisco router brand new never out of the box. We also have an older edimax 8 port KVM switch with (8) 6' cables. IF anyone could use any of this let me know with an offer . I'll run it across the superintendent here,,and you may own it,if you can use any of this. Hope this may help someone. Thanks, Barry Cisna From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Feb 2 14:04:35 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 06:04:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] gnome-settings-daemon and esd-sound In-Reply-To: <43E1C01B.6060200@maehlum.net> References: <43E1C01B.6060200@maehlum.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, [ISO-8859-1] Trond M?hlum wrote: > The two questions in the topic is not related. I think. > > I am using icewm, and I see that gnome-settings-daemon is started. What > exactly does this do? It is required for nautilus to run correctly. If you take a look at the IceWM session script, you'll see that it only runs if nautilus is enabled (ICEWM_USE_NAUTILUS=YES in /etc/sysconfig/icewm). I don't remember all that breaks if you turn off gnome-settings-daemon, if you are really curious you can comment that line out and see what happens ;-) > Also, when using esd for sound, what takes of care sending oss sound through > esd? > > The reason for asking is that I am testing a Skolelinux LTSP server (Debian). > I know this is off-topic, but please forgive me. I am trying to port some > K12LTSP spesific things over to the Skolelinux server. I have also looked at > Ubuntu and Edubuntu. > > Now, when I set up esd as sound daemon, I get sound from xmms and mplayer when > I set esound as sound-system. Gcompris and Tuxmath reports "no sound" and do > not play anything. I suspect this is because they use oss and it does not get > redirected to esd. > > When I choose nasd, I get everything playing, but after installing > libaudiooss. Is there a similar "glue" to make oss play through esd, like > libaudiooss does this for nas? > > I know this is not K12LTSP spesific, but I am asking anyway since the general > Linux knowledge here is awesome. > > Best regards > > Trond Maehlum Yes, you can pre-load esound libraries to do the same magic as nasd. In K12LTSP, you can turn this on by setting REMOTE_SOUND_HACKS=YES in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp The simple answer is that you preload the libesd.so and libesddsp.so libraries, such as: LD_PRELOAD="/usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesddsp.so.0" export LD_PRELOAD The script K12LTSP uses is a bit more complicated, it has some sanity checking, etc. This is in /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh if you want to see all the details. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Feb 2 14:06:52 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 06:06:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 24, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <336693c199546a7e99e6dcbe8431e654@fragakis.com> References: <20060201164000.0175F7337E@hormel.redhat.com> <336693c199546a7e99e6dcbe8431e654@fragakis.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, William Fragakis wrote: > iirc, you also need to edit the file > > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver.ltsp > > I may be totally wrong on this but this file is for the clients, the other for > the server. Editing this one seems to do it for us. > > regards, > William /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver.ltsp is a backup of the stock/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver. The XScreenSaver file is modified by the K12LTSP intialization scripts. -Eric > On Feb 1, 2006, at 11:40 AM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > >> Message: 26 >> Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:09:24 -0500 >> From: Mike Lichtenwalner >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Screensaver Login Problem >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> Message-ID: <43E0DD34.6070700 at mtwp.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> David Ackerman wrote: >>> 1. I am having problems with screensaver locking: >> >> You could turn off the locking mechanism on the screensaver. Eric posted >> this in August: >> >> I'm guessing that if you edit: >> >> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver >> >> >> and change the "*lock:" and "*lockVTs:" entries from: >> >> *lock: True >> *lockVTs: False >> >> to: >> >> *lock: False >> *lockVTs: True >> >> >> >> Mike From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Feb 2 15:08:38 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:08:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] cursor - hourglass movement Message-ID: <20060202080838.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.710660f2bd.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> I am really having problems with teachers/kids getting confused and starting mulitple instances of applications using the ICEWM interface. Which WM and distro supports cursor movement when an application is starting??? Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us From bkovach at logrog.net Thu Feb 2 15:16:06 2006 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:16:06 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Safest way ... Message-ID: <39758.216.229.68.126.1138893366.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> What is the safest way to give a teacher the rights to add users without them having any access to root's password or group? If not safest, easiest. BK -- "I don't know" isn't a penalty or an excuse. It's an opportunity. From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Thu Feb 2 15:16:38 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:16:38 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] sound on macs Message-ID: <42470.172.28.8.55.1138893398.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello List, Has anyone heard if anyone has sound working on any models of macs. IMACS or EMACS ,maybe? Just wondered. Thanks, Barry Cisna From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Feb 2 15:27:53 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:27:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Safest way ... Message-ID: <20060202082753.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.134ed68089.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> I think using Usermin, module for webmin ( www.webmin.com) Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] Safest way ... > From: "Brandon Kovach" > Date: Thu, February 02, 2006 9:16 am > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > What is the safest way to give a teacher the rights to add users without > them having any access to root's password or group? If not safest, > easiest. > > BK > > -- > "I don't know" isn't a penalty or an excuse. It's an opportunity. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Thu Feb 2 15:51:47 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 07:51:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] cursor - hourglass movement In-Reply-To: <20060202080838.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.710660f2bd.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20060202080838.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.710660f2bd.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <43E22A93.2010502@rogueriver.k12.or.us> rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > I am really having problems with teachers/kids getting confused and > starting mulitple instances of applications using the ICEWM interface. > Which WM and distro supports cursor movement when an application is > starting??? > Can't speak to Gnome, as I don't use it, but KDE by default has cursor movement while an application launches. Any distro that doesn't mung up KDE (unfortunately, RedHat _does_) will do just fine. Mike From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 16:06:20 2006 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:06:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Recommended sound card? Message-ID: Hello, I'd like some suggestions on inexpensive soundcards that work with k12ltsp/ltsp in general. I have a lab full of computers that just won't produce sound no matter how I beat them, so I've decided to bite the bullet and look to install soundcards within them. (I've got the administration complaining about the lack of sound in linux, how they want to convert it back to Windows to get sound, etc.) Can anyone recommend foolproof soundcards? The sort of machines I'll be installing them into are machines like compaq deskpro 2000s, AST bravo 5133/5166, and various P1 133 machines. Or if anyone has experience with how to get those machines to produce sound, please let me know. thank you very much. Joseph From trond at maehlum.net Thu Feb 2 16:23:29 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:23:29 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] gnome-settings-daemon and esd-sound In-Reply-To: References: <43E1C01B.6060200@maehlum.net> Message-ID: <43E23201.8010504@maehlum.net> Eric Harrison skrev: >> The two questions in the topic is not related. I think. >> >> I am using icewm, and I see that gnome-settings-daemon is started. >> What exactly does this do? > > It is required for nautilus to run correctly. If you take a look at the > IceWM session script, you'll see that it only runs if nautilus is > enabled (ICEWM_USE_NAUTILUS=YES in /etc/sysconfig/icewm). > > I don't remember all that breaks if you turn off gnome-settings-daemon, > if you are really curious you can comment that line out and see what > happens ;-) I can't really see that anything changed at all. The only thing I noticed is that the question about using keyboard settings from X or gnome disappeared... One thing that bothers me about our Fedora servers is that nautilus takes ages to load when we use icewm. From icewm is loaded, it can take 30 seconds - 1 minute for the desktop background to appear. This seems slightly quicker on our K12LTSP 4.2.2EL server. On my testserver running Debian, this loads at "lightspeed" :) Any ideas on that? The servers are Dual Xeon 3GHz with 4GB RAM. They are far from fully loaded. A nightly reboot seems to make the wait tolerable, but still it takes far too long. Is this a Fedora issue or what could it be? > Yes, you can pre-load esound libraries to do the same magic as nasd. > In K12LTSP, you can turn this on by setting REMOTE_SOUND_HACKS=YES > in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp > > The simple answer is that you preload the libesd.so and libesddsp.so > libraries, such as: > > LD_PRELOAD="/usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesddsp.so.0" > export LD_PRELOAD I have tried to implement this. Is there some way to check if the preloading happened as expected? echo LD_PRELOAD on the terminal or something? I'm at home now, and due to the time difference between us, I can't test this until tomorrow. But I would value your feedback on this matter. Best Regards Trond Maehlum > The script K12LTSP uses is a bit more complicated, it has some sanity > checking, etc. This is in /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh if you want > to see all the details. > > -Eric > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From robark at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 16:40:07 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:40:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Recommended sound card? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/2/06, Joseph Bishay wrote: > > Can anyone recommend foolproof soundcards? The sort of machines I have Ensoniq AudioPCI (ES1371 chip) in all my clients. Work great. cheap too. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From chandler_a at sgusd.k12.ca.us Thu Feb 2 17:01:59 2006 From: chandler_a at sgusd.k12.ca.us (chandler_a at sgusd.k12.ca.us) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:01:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Autoreply: K12OSN Digest, Vol 24, Issue 3 Message-ID: I will be out of the office February 1st and 2nd. Please call 451-5450 if you require urgent assistance. thank you From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Feb 2 19:21:46 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:21:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - eChalk like application Message-ID: <20060202122146.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.eb8d8f754e.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Can anyone recommend an application like eChalk , CMS system for schools? Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Feb 2 19:56:21 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:56:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] sound on macs In-Reply-To: <42470.172.28.8.55.1138893398.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <42470.172.28.8.55.1138893398.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <32071.169.244.70.146.1138910181.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> bill cavalieri is working on porting 4.2 to Macintosh..Then we'll jump on that ..chuck > Hello List, > > Has anyone heard if anyone has sound working on any models of macs. IMACS > or EMACS ,maybe? Just wondered. > > Thanks, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From haynest at mchsi.com Thu Feb 2 20:36:25 2006 From: haynest at mchsi.com (haynest at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:36:25 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - eChalk like application Message-ID: <020220062036.28806.43E26D49000238B200007086219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF9B9C0A02970E08@mchsi.com> Ron... Have you looked at Moodle? http://academies.culver.org/moodle/course/view.php?id=275&username=guest should get you guest access in a course of mine. It is open source, and I really like it a lot. Regards... Tom > Can anyone recommend an application like eChalk , CMS system for > schools? > > > Thanks, > > > Ron > > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Feb 2 20:50:31 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:50:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] gnome-settings-daemon and esd-sound In-Reply-To: <43E23201.8010504@maehlum.net> References: <43E1C01B.6060200@maehlum.net> <43E23201.8010504@maehlum.net> Message-ID: <43E27097.8080603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Trond M?hlum wrote: > Eric Harrison skrev: > >>> The two questions in the topic is not related. I think. >>> >>> I am using icewm, and I see that gnome-settings-daemon is started. >>> What exactly does this do? >> >> >> It is required for nautilus to run correctly. If you take a look at the >> IceWM session script, you'll see that it only runs if nautilus is >> enabled (ICEWM_USE_NAUTILUS=YES in /etc/sysconfig/icewm). >> >> I don't remember all that breaks if you turn off gnome-settings-daemon, >> if you are really curious you can comment that line out and see what >> happens ;-) > > > I can't really see that anything changed at all. The only thing I > noticed is that the question about using keyboard settings from X or > gnome disappeared... > > One thing that bothers me about our Fedora servers is that nautilus > takes ages to load when we use icewm. From icewm is loaded, it can take > 30 seconds - 1 minute for the desktop background to appear. This seems > slightly quicker on our K12LTSP 4.2.2EL server. Anytime you see a delay divisible by 30 seconds (0.5 minutes, 1.0 minutes, 1.5 minutes, etc), a DNS problem is always a likely candidate. > On my testserver running Debian, this loads at "lightspeed" :) Any ideas > on that? The servers are Dual Xeon 3GHz with 4GB RAM. They are far from > fully loaded. A nightly reboot seems to make the wait tolerable, but > still it takes far too long. > > Is this a Fedora issue or what could it be? Loads at "lightspeed" here. Is this all users or just specific users? If you create a new user, does it have the delay as well? > > >> Yes, you can pre-load esound libraries to do the same magic as nasd. >> In K12LTSP, you can turn this on by setting REMOTE_SOUND_HACKS=YES >> in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp >> >> The simple answer is that you preload the libesd.so and libesddsp.so >> libraries, such as: >> >> LD_PRELOAD="/usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesddsp.so.0" >> export LD_PRELOAD > > > I have tried to implement this. Is there some way to check if the > preloading happened as expected? echo LD_PRELOAD on the terminal or > something? It is just an environment variable, you can open up a terminal window and run: echo $LD_PRELOAD -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From trond at maehlum.net Thu Feb 2 21:10:08 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:10:08 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] gnome-settings-daemon and esd-sound In-Reply-To: <43E27097.8080603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43E1C01B.6060200@maehlum.net> <43E23201.8010504@maehlum.net> <43E27097.8080603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43E27530.1050605@maehlum.net> Eric Harrison skrev: > Trond M?hlum wrote: >> Eric Harrison skrev: >> One thing that bothers me about our Fedora servers is that nautilus >> takes ages to load when we use icewm. From icewm is loaded, it can take >> 30 seconds - 1 minute for the desktop background to appear. This seems >> slightly quicker on our K12LTSP 4.2.2EL server. > > Anytime you see a delay divisible by 30 seconds (0.5 minutes, 1.0 > minutes, 1.5 minutes, etc), a DNS problem is always a likely candidate. Interesting... I'll take a look at that tomorrow. We don't make use of the hosts file, since we use a Skolelinux main-server as our backbone server. It is also our dns-server and names the terminals names like dhcpa103.las.kk.skole. It resolves from the server, ping dhcpa103.las.kk.skole answers correctly. The delay on nautilus also happens when I log in directly at the server. It happens for all users, including root. Another strange ting is that we have 10 LTSP servers, and they all behave like this. One of our servers is K12LTSP4.2.2 and it seems slightly faster. They seem to behave better after a fresh boot, and get worse during the day. Thererfore we now run a scheduled reboot every night of our LTSP servers. But still after a fresh boot, it will take at least 10 seconds, from icewm's startmenu is visible to nautilus is loaded, and the desktop is visible. >> On my testserver running Debian, this loads at "lightspeed" :) Any ideas >> on that? The servers are Dual Xeon 3GHz with 4GB RAM. They are far from >> fully loaded. A nightly reboot seems to make the wait tolerable, but >> still it takes far too long. >> >> Is this a Fedora issue or what could it be? > > Loads at "lightspeed" here. Is this all users or just specific users? All. We use a fileserver and ldap login, so the same useraccounts load nautlis quickly at the Debian LTSP server. > If you create a new user, does it have the delay as well? Yes. >> >> >>> Yes, you can pre-load esound libraries to do the same magic as nasd. >>> In K12LTSP, you can turn this on by setting REMOTE_SOUND_HACKS=YES >>> in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp >>> >>> The simple answer is that you preload the libesd.so and libesddsp.so >>> libraries, such as: >>> >>> LD_PRELOAD="/usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesddsp.so.0" >>> export LD_PRELOAD >> >> >> I have tried to implement this. Is there some way to check if the >> preloading happened as expected? echo LD_PRELOAD on the terminal or >> something? > > It is just an environment variable, you can open up a terminal window > and run: > > echo $LD_PRELOAD Thank you. Trond > -Eric > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From veewee77 at alltel.net Thu Feb 2 20:44:28 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:44:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] sound on macs In-Reply-To: <32071.169.244.70.146.1138910181.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <42470.172.28.8.55.1138893398.squirrel@172.28.8.55> <32071.169.244.70.146.1138910181.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <43E26F2C.6050900@alltel.net> That wouldn't be Bill Cavalieri who went to Westminster High School in Westminster, CO, would it? 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URL: From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Feb 2 23:01:01 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:01:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] sound on macs In-Reply-To: <43E26F2C.6050900@alltel.net> References: <42470.172.28.8.55.1138893398.squirrel@172.28.8.55> <32071.169.244.70.146.1138910181.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <43E26F2C.6050900@alltel.net> Message-ID: <46245.70.33.151.214.1138921261.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> i can ask..doesnt seem logical but... From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Feb 3 00:05:09 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:05:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OSX home directories on a K12LTSP server? Message-ID: <43E29E35.4070102@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Has anyone setup roaming profiles on Apple OSX clients stored on a K12LTSP server? (i.e. Netatalk, NFS, or Samba?) Any tips or tricks you can spare? ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Fri Feb 3 01:27:26 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:27:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Connecting to OSX Tiger Volumes In-Reply-To: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF012DC1FB@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> References: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF012DC1FB@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Message-ID: <60A868D1-A062-4BD6-A4AC-DD0F11B882FF@independence.k12.ia.us> so you're OS X server is currently hosting home directories? This same OS X server is also an open directory/LDAP server? You can either set up your ltsp server to authenticate to the LDAP server, or use generic logins and have the students connect to the server once logged in. Give me some more specifics and I'll help you out. Brad On Jan 27, 2006, at 12:11 PM, Selzler, Bruce wrote: > > > Hello Team, > > I have some LTSP servers and workstations set up around our > campus. One > major shortcoming of the LTSP setups here at our school is that the > students cannot use LTSP workstations to access their folders on our > OSX.4 server. > > The server is setup as a stand alone server and serves volumes to > windows clients as well as Macs, and I also use NFS shares on these > servers to install LTSP on other systems. However I can't seem to see > or mount any volumes on the OSX servers from an LTSP workstation. > > What I would really like to do is have OSX server LDAP and have the > LTSP > workstations use that information to log each student on so they can > mount their OSX folders and work on the files they have stored > there on > their own desktop. But I've had zero luck with that as well. > > At this point I'd be happy if the students could log on to a generic > account on LTSP and open up their folders from the desktop like > they do > with Windoze and Macs. But I can't seem to figure out how to make > this > happen. > > I've read the HowTo's and I've played with this stuff until I'm > blue in > the face but no luck so far. I have the sense that I'm missing > something really basic that should be obvious, but I can't see it. > > Is there anyone out there doing what I would like to do here that > could > explain the process to me like I'm an eight year old? I'd really > appreciate it. Thanks. > > - Sez > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Feb 3 01:48:24 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:48:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OSX home directories on a K12LTSP server? In-Reply-To: <43E29E35.4070102@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43E29E35.4070102@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43E2B668.6020602@inlandlakes.org> Eric Harrison wrote: > > Has anyone setup roaming profiles on Apple OSX clients stored on a > K12LTSP server? (i.e. Netatalk, NFS, or Samba?) > > Any tips or tricks you can spare? ;-) Yeah -- Jim's tutorial is awesome. I've only used it for NIS, but the roaming profiles work great. http://www.1-cs.com/osxldap.html All credit to Jim Kronebusch. (He can give alternate credit if he so desires. ;) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 04:03:07 2006 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:03:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Our Free Software Keynote at NECC Message-ID: <92de6c880602022003j21608b84tfaa0cbbc0c7be1e1@mail.gmail.com> Last year at NECC I felt like 2006 should be the year that one of the NECC keynotes should feature an open source figure, like GNOME founder Miguel Icaza, for example, but it didn't seem very likely. However, as you might have seen ( http://www.iste.org/Template.cfm?Section=Home&Template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=10096 ) Nicholas Negroponte from MIT is giving the second keynote (on July sixth, the middle day of the conference). He's not Richard Stallman (for better or worse), but he is promoting the first laptop for students designed to run Linux, so it should be a step forward for consciousness of open source at NECC, and something we can build on. I think it is a good time to discuss what we can do to make NECC 2006 (in San Diego) a big success for free software in education. Every year we have the opportunity at NECC to have a showcase in the Free Software Center / email garden. I'd like to have a full slate of talks and presentations lined up ahead of time this year, so we can distribute flyers, particularly at other free software related talks (and the keynote). We also should reach out to the Moodle community and try to use Moodle presentations in the Free Software Center to draw in people. I'm going to have some other business in San Diego this summer, so I'll probably get there early and/or stay later, so I'll be around to help. Also, I can probably use some of the SchoolTool budget for small things, like printing flyers or posters. Anyhow, now is probably a good time to start discussing plans. --Tom From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 05:42:27 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:42:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Our Free Software Keynote at NECC In-Reply-To: <92de6c880602022003j21608b84tfaa0cbbc0c7be1e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <92de6c880602022003j21608b84tfaa0cbbc0c7be1e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/2/06, Tom Hoffman wrote: > I think it is a good time to discuss what we can do to make NECC 2006 > (in San Diego) a big success for free software in education. Every > year we have the opportunity at NECC to have a showcase in the Free > Software Center / email garden. I'd like to have a full slate of > talks and presentations lined up ahead of time this year, so we can > distribute flyers, particularly at other free software related talks > (and the keynote). We also should reach out to the Moodle community > and try to use Moodle presentations in the Free Software Center to > draw in people. Tom et al: As you are probably aware, Paul Nelson has spearheaded the Open Source work with NECC for some time. Jeff Elker, Paul Flint, and I took over the duties last summer when Paul couldn't make it. I've stayed in touch with the shows organizers, and they seem anxious to do more and better this year, and we have discussed the very things you have mentioned. NECC will be given a dry run in March at the CUE.org show in Palm Springs. CUE is ISTE's California affiliate, and the show is considered a precursor to NECC in some ways, especially with regard to the Open Source presence. I've been working closely with the show organizers, and will be providing 80 (!!) computers for the show: 32 will be standalone Linux WebStations (LiveKiosk.com) for email, printing of airline boarding passes, and show evaluations; 48 additional machines will be running Linux thin client in a large, lecture setting, 50' x 50', sharing the back end of the pavilion with the vendor presentation area. It's an incredible opportunity. We will also have a screen, projector, and mic, and a series of talks listed below. There will be two other small (4 machine?) email centers sponsored by Apple and Gateway (I think?), but otherwise Open Source is the ticket for this event. The NECC organizers are very aware of what we are doing, and will be watching to see how things go. We are still looking for some students who can come and help participate in Palm Springs. Here are the formal sessions that are going to be presented in the Open Source area, and all speaking are being listed as regular show speakers and will be in the regular program. Here are the sessions: 1. Thursday, March 9 / 2:30 - 3:30 pm "Introduction to Linux and Open Source Software for Schools" Kim Brand Server Partners, LLC 101 East Michigan St. Indianapolis, IN 46204 (317) 917-2000 kim at kimbrand.com Basic, hands-on introduction to the world of Linux and Open Source software, with an emphasis on educational applications and programs. Will include brief overviews of Ubuntu, Red Hat, Novell, Open Office, Firefox, GIMP, Samba, Apache, MySQL, and more. 2. Thursday, March 9 / 4:00- 5:00 pm "Use Your Noodle-Learn Moodle!" Michelle Moore Director of Training remote-Learner.net 2857 Stuarts Draft Hwy., Suite 8B15 Stuarts Draft, Virginia, 24477-2787 540-324-0330 michelle at remote-learner.net Tutorial session on the use of Moodle, the popular and free Open Source course management system for online learning. Basic introduction and overview, with an opportunity for questions and hands-on learning in the Linux Lab. 3. Friday, March 10 / 10:00 - 11:00 am "Blogging, Podcasting, and Content Management Systems" Resources and introductory guide to new communication techniques using the web: blogging, podcasting, and Content Management Systems (specifically Drupal). Chris Fitzgerald Walsh Epoch Learning Walnut Creek, CA 925.465.4686 chris at epochlearning.com 4. Friday, March 10 / 11:30 am - 12:30 pm "Use Your Noodle-Learn Moodle!" Michelle Moore Director of Training remote-Learner.net 2857 Stuarts Draft Hwy., Suite 8B15 Stuarts Draft, Virginia, 24477-2787 540-324-0330 michelle at remote-learner.net Tutorial session on the use of Moodle, the popular and free Open Source course management system for online learning. Basic introduction and overview, with an opportunity for questions and hands-on learning in the Linux Lab. 5. Saturday, March 11 / 11:00 am - 12:00 noon "Edubuntu: A Linux Distribution for Education" Krishna Sankar 408-853-8475 ksankar at gte.net Overview of the extremely popular Ubuntu operating system, and the development of "Edubuntu," a version specifically designed for educational use. 6. Saturday, March 11 / 1:00 - 2:00 pm "Thin-client & Kiosk Computing with Old PCs" Steve Hargadon TechnologyRescue.com 4350 Whispering Oaks Circle Granite Bay, CA 95746 916-899-1400 steve at hargadon.com Learn how to use old computers as high-performance workstations in thin-client Linux and Windows computer labs, or as stand-alone web kiosks. Will include the use of the Linux Lab and a demonstration of how it has been set up. 7. Saturday, March 11 / 2:30 - 3:30 pm "Teaching Technical Skills with Linux and Open Source Software" Tim Frichtel 21725 Evalyn Avenue Torrance, CA 90503 tfrichtel at socal.rr.com (310) 415-8981 An overview of using free and Open Source programs to teach technical skills, from web hosting and site design, to networking and high-level programming. MySQL, php, Apache, Python, and more. ----------------- Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 07:14:19 2006 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 02:14:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Our Free Software Keynote at NECC In-Reply-To: References: <92de6c880602022003j21608b84tfaa0cbbc0c7be1e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <92de6c880602022314i1b2b199bo93ac64d580287394@mail.gmail.com> On 2/3/06, Steve Hargadon wrote: > As you are probably aware, Paul Nelson has spearheaded the Open Source > work with NECC for some time. Jeff Elker, Paul Flint, and I took over > the duties last summer when Paul couldn't make it. I've stayed in > touch with the shows organizers, and they seem anxious to do more and > better this year, and we have discussed the very things you have > mentioned. All the Cue stuff looks great Steve. And I certainly acknowledge and appreciate all the good work that's been done in the past at NECC by Paul, Eric, Jeff, the other Paul and you. I'm just feeling paranoid about it because I think this is the year we really can start to break through. --Tom From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Fri Feb 3 08:47:43 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 21:47:43 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting sound going with videos Message-ID: <43E318AF.5010407@orcon.net.nz> I have managed to get mplayer installed and it plays the video on the terminals for many different formats :) Unfortunately it doesn't play any sound :{ Any tips how to get this working? I am currently using k12ltsp 4.2. (I also have k12ltsp 4.4 server but I haven't played around with the sound on that one yet.) I get sound (ESD) with the following programs at present TuxMath, TuxPaint, GCompris, XMMS, Flash websites using Firefox. I have tried Totem also but I have found Mplayer easier to use. I have also tried Windows media player under Crossover Office 5. All are the same - video but no sound. I tried installing Realplayer. Unfortunately I installed version 10 and I can't figure out how to uninstall it so I can try version 8. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Feb 3 14:12:50 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:12:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting sound going with videos In-Reply-To: <43E318AF.5010407@orcon.net.nz> References: <43E318AF.5010407@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <9B8CC380-3149-4DCC-AAEE-F40DBFE6B9C4@inlandlakes.org> On Feb 3, 2006, at 3:47 AM, Krsnendu Dasa wrote > Any tips how to get this working? I don't know the exact file location (and I think it can vary based on install) but you want to find the config file for mplayer. For the individual user it is almost always in: /home/user/.mplayer/config my system-wide file is in: /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf The items in the user file override the items in the system wide file. In my system wide file, I have: vo=xvidix,xv,x11 ao=esd,alsa mplayer attempts to use those in order. "vo" means video output. xvidix is great if you have an ati card. xv is accelerated (allows scaling) and x11 is sorta the "works on most" driver, but hardware scaling is not supported. I find that order listed works best for me. the "ao" means audio output. Make sure esd is listed first. Hope that helps! Don't forget to install mplayerplug-in as well! (It allows embedded video in firefox) -Shawn From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 15:10:42 2006 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:10:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Recommended sound card? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, Thanks for the reply. Are there any other recommended sound cards? Joseph On 2/2/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 2/2/06, Joseph Bishay wrote: > > > > Can anyone recommend foolproof soundcards? 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McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Feb 3 17:15:02 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:15:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - eChalk like application Message-ID: <20060203101502.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.1e9e1d3fe9.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> I was starting to come to that conclusion. I am going to give Moodle a try. Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT - eChalk like application > From: Doug Gough > Date: Fri, February 03, 2006 11:01 am > To: K12osn > > You would likely need to put a system together out of various open source > components to cover the different bases that eChalk covers. > > Online Classroom: Moodle http://moodle.org/ > Email: Go to http://sourceforge.net and search for webmail > Collaboration: LearnLoop http://learnloop.sourceforge.net/ > Web publishing/CMS: I like Drupal http://drupal.org and Joomla > http://www.joomla.org > > Of these, I have installed and used Moodle, Drupal, and Joomla. > > Doug Gough > > > On 2/2/06 11:21 AM, "rmcdaniel at indata.us" wrote: > > > Can anyone recommend an application like eChalk , CMS system for > > schools? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > Conecuh County Schools > > (251) 578-7073 x26 > > (251) 238-1890 cell > > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dale.quigg at aspentech.com Fri Feb 3 17:17:05 2006 From: dale.quigg at aspentech.com (Quigg, Dale) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:17:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Server hardware Message-ID: I'm not very current on server hardware prices, but I was pretty amazed to see this on ebay; - IBM X325 1U Server, - Dual Opteron 2.0GHz - 8GB RAM - 80GB IDE HD Buy It Now $1700, 32 available If this is ho-hum, I apologize for the noise. Dale This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original copy and any copy of any e-mail, and any printout thereof. From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Fri Feb 3 18:48:42 2006 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:48:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Moodle, et al Message-ID: <43E3A58A.4080401@honeygroveisd.net> Ok, here's where my position as a tech and not as a teacher is a bit of a detriment. Moodle- I know what it is, but I'm not sure I "get it." Could some of you teachers out there who are using it help me out. When a teacher asks me *why* he should use something like Moodle, what can I tell them? Being a geek my initial response is, "Well, it's really cool!" but that doesn't really seem to resonate with those who will actually be using the application. Why are Moodle and its ilk a good thing? What can you do with them that you can't do without them? Why should a teacher use these tools as opposed to the tried-and-true methodologies that have been in use for generations? I'm not looking for an idealistic treatise on the nature of learning and the miracle of the read/write Web. I'm looking for a way to make a middle-aged English Lit. teacher see the *benefit* of using such a tool. Explaining why they should, or what the current educational research shows doesn't show them how it'll make their job easier/better. Any takers? -- C-ya, Mark ____ "There are three ingredients to the good life; learning, earning, and yearning." -- Christopher Morley From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Feb 3 19:04:00 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:04:00 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Moodle, et al In-Reply-To: <43E3A58A.4080401@honeygroveisd.net> References: <43E3A58A.4080401@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <43E3A920.5000805@paasda.org> online quiz making/taking/scheduling...auto grading of said quizes. interactive participation through use of the forum... create their entire syllabus online and having it available with their curriculm map for all parents to view whenever they wish... the list really goes on and on...it is limited mostly by the creativity of the teacher. We had a part time teacher who had all of his classwork setup on Moodle...he took attendance..lectured a bit..made CLASStime more fun and interesting and let them hit the moodle server to do their work. --Huck Mark Cockrell wrote: > Ok, here's where my position as a tech and not as a teacher is a bit of > a detriment. Moodle- I know what it is, but I'm not sure I "get it." > Could some of you teachers out there who are using it help me out. When > a teacher asks me *why* he should use something like Moodle, what can I > tell them? Being a geek my initial response is, "Well, it's really > cool!" but that doesn't really seem to resonate with those who will > actually be using the application. Why are Moodle and its ilk a good > thing? What can you do with them that you can't do without them? Why > should a teacher use these tools as opposed to the tried-and-true > methodologies that have been in use for generations? I'm not looking > for an idealistic treatise on the nature of learning and the miracle of > the read/write Web. I'm looking for a way to make a middle-aged English > Lit. teacher see the *benefit* of using such a tool. Explaining why > they should, or what the current educational research shows doesn't show > them how it'll make their job easier/better. Any takers? > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 3 19:23:55 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:23:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OSX home directories on a K12LTSP server? In-Reply-To: <43E2B668.6020602@inlandlakes.org> References: <43E29E35.4070102@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <43E2B668.6020602@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <20060203191932.M78163@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:48:24 -0500, Shawn Powers wrote > Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > Has anyone setup roaming profiles on Apple OSX clients stored on a > > K12LTSP server? (i.e. Netatalk, NFS, or Samba?) > > > > Any tips or tricks you can spare? ;-) > > Yeah -- Jim's tutorial is awesome. I've only used it for NIS, but > the roaming profiles work great. > > http://www.1-cs.com/osxldap.html > > All credit to Jim Kronebusch. (He can give alternate credit if he so > desires. ;) Glad to hear it is working for you. The only hickup I had was that files without extensions lost the ability to know what application to open with on Macs when mounted with NFS. I found this out the day before going live so was unable to use it. If all of your docs have extensions or you users have the knowledge to add them, it works great. The other hickup is laptops, or roaming machines. I still needed to develop a script that did a Windows like sync of roaming profiles on logoff and maintained a local copy for working offsite. This is another huge part to figure out. If any of you make any tweaks or get a setup that works better please let me know. Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From julius at turtle.com Fri Feb 3 21:18:10 2006 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:18:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] email clients on k12 servers Message-ID: Dear Folks, three questions: 1. How do I make Thunderbird the default mail client for all the users? 2. How do I force Evolution to not show its head every time a new user sets up an account? 3. How do I move mail from Evolution to Thunderbird tia, julius From paulz at zagz.com Sat Feb 4 00:19:25 2006 From: paulz at zagz.com (Paul Zagoridis) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:19:25 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] Users and Groups GUI fails under VNC Message-ID: <43E3F30D.20701@zagz.com> We use VNC to connect to a remote k12ltsp installation. When we click on the Users and Groups menu item the application fails to run and there is no error message. Has anyone experienced this and how do I fix it? or What is the app that that menu item runs so I can try invoking it directly from an xterm session? Any other suggestions on how to create users remotely? From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sat Feb 4 00:27:57 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:27:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Users and Groups GUI fails under VNC Message-ID: <60114.70.96.75.10.1139012877.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Hello Paul, When you get logged into the remote K12LTSP server,via VNC open a terminal, and type in the following command: xhost +localhost Then try and open the user manager,& I m guessing it will work then. Also You could install Webmin on that Server and just do your user additions,that way. Take Care, Barry Cisna From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Sat Feb 4 03:56:12 2006 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (James P Schwankl) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 22:56:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OSX home directories on a K12LTSP server? Message-ID: <20060203225612.fb85ad56@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > Has anyone setup roaming profiles on Apple OSX clients stored on a > K12LTSP server? (i.e. Netatalk, NFS, or Samba?) > > Any tips or tricks you can spare? ;-) Eric, I have to second Shawn and say that I used Jim's directions for the OS X part. Makes use of NFS. You lose resource forks by storing stuff on non-HFS(+) formatted drives, but unless your users are using a lot of Classic apps, that shouldn't be too great a problem. If OTOH your users do have a lot of Classic apps that rely on the resource for to know what app opens a particular document, then it may be worthwhile to try to get something going with Netatalk. I believe that the latest Netatalk actually does AFP rather than Appletalk, so it's not like the OS X machines will have to have Appletalk turned on. I used David and Matt's Samba/LDAP script to back when it was made for FC3. I'm really only using the LDAP part since that particular school is all Mac, but it works great. Peace, Jimmy +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Always remember you're unique just like everyone else. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ****This Message was sent through the Chatham County Schools E-Mail Server**** All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Sat Feb 4 07:31:01 2006 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 02:31:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox locks up server Message-ID: Here is my setup. I have a Dell PowerEdge 2850 Dual Xeon 2.8GHZ , 4GB of Ram , 2 gig nics, and Raid 5 with 10,000 rpms drives. My terminals range PII 333MHZ-PIII 600MHZ processor with 96MB of memory, 4-8MB AGP Videocard and 64MB NFS_SWAP. I am running k12ltsp 4.4.1, Network backbone is HP 5304 with Gig fiber uplink to HP 4104 switch which is located in the LTSP. The server connects connect at Gig and the clients connect 100MB. The setup is in High School Word Processing lab where they are using the lab for Web Browsing and Open Office 2. When I was in the lab today observing the lab the first half hour everything was working good. I had 13 to 15 students running Firefox and everything was working fine. I disabled Macromedia Flash to troubleshooting this lockup problem. I was watching the switches for high network utilization on a terminal which use java in Firefox. The network utilization the highest it got was 55% on one port which I believe was my terminal which was monitoring everything. When I was monitor CPU utilization the highest that seen was 20%. Then couple more students login and one started to play a java game at slimearena.com and everything still worked for about another 10 minutes then all the terminals locked up except for the one I was using for monitoring and the terminal that was playing the game. I had to reboot the server to get the terminals to connect back to the server. I am not sure what to look for. I am going to disable java in my quest to narrow the problem down, but not sure what else to try. When the server does not lockup the terminals are fast. Any suggestions? Thanks -Glenn From petre at maltzen.net Sat Feb 4 13:53:15 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 07:53:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How to convert a server from two NICs to one NIC Message-ID: <43E4B1CB.6060907@maltzen.net> What's the best way of converting a two-NIC server to a single NIC? Or more precisely, moving the DHCP service from eth0 to eth1? I've got a two-NIC server that is having trouble using the DNS info coming from a Linksys WRT54G which is connected to the internet. Here's a crude diagram: Internet---Linksys---ltsp server---switch---clients | |---clients My plan is to switch them around so the server is connected to the internet (there's a firewall in between there) and use the Linksys as just a WAP by not plugging anything into its upstream port. Not being certain I can make this work, I may have to leave the Linksys as the primary internet gateway, and just turn off its DHCP service, and let the ltsp server provide DHCP. In this case, I don't want the ltsp server to act as a gateway; rather, I'll need it to be/act like a single-nic server and still point to the Linksys as the default gateway. The server's already running and providing file and print services, so I don't want to rebuild it. If I have to go this route, I think it's just a matter of having the ltsp server's DHCP service running on eth1 instead of eth0 where it is now. Can I make that happen by just changing all the addresses using in /etc/dhcpd.conf? Petre From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Sat Feb 4 16:20:56 2006 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:20:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox locks up server Message-ID: I need to add to my original post, the server itself does not lockup. The server will reboot, but it takes forever for the server's nfs daemon to shutdown. X windows does not lockup on the server, but the clients cannot get the X session back after you power off the terminals. Also, I am only have one of the server nics configured. Need to do a teamed type setup to improve redundancy and performance of the nics. Another thing I need to add is the LTSP server remotely mounts the home directory through NFS. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Arnold Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 2:31 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox locks up server Here is my setup. I have a Dell PowerEdge 2850 Dual Xeon 2.8GHZ , 4GB of Ram , 2 gig nics, and Raid 5 with 10,000 rpms drives. My terminals range PII 333MHZ-PIII 600MHZ processor with 96MB of memory, 4-8MB AGP Videocard and 64MB NFS_SWAP. I am running k12ltsp 4.4.1, Network backbone is HP 5304 with Gig fiber uplink to HP 4104 switch which is located in the LTSP. The server connects connect at Gig and the clients connect 100MB. The setup is in High School Word Processing lab where they are using the lab for Web Browsing and Open Office 2. When I was in the lab today observing the lab the first half hour everything was working good. I had 13 to 15 students running Firefox and everything was working fine. I disabled Macromedia Flash to troubleshooting this lockup problem. I was watching the switches for high network utilization on a terminal which use java in Firefox. The network utilization the highest it got was 55% on one port which I believe was my terminal which was monitoring everything. When I was monitor CPU utilization the highest that seen was 20%. Then couple more students login and one started to play a java game at slimearena.com and everything still worked for about another 10 minutes then all the terminals locked up except for the one I was using for monitoring and the terminal that was playing the game. I had to reboot the server to get the terminals to connect back to the server. I am not sure what to look for. I am going to disable java in my quest to narrow the problem down, but not sure what else to try. When the server does not lockup the terminals are fast. Any suggestions? Thanks -Glenn _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From veewee77 at alltel.net Sat Feb 4 17:23:57 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:23:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How to convert a server from two NICs to one NIC In-Reply-To: <43E4B1CB.6060907@maltzen.net> References: <43E4B1CB.6060907@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43E4E32D.1030406@alltel.net> Just let the LTS server do all dhcp and set the dns in the dhcp configuration for the DNS and let the wireless router just do it's wireless thing and act as a switch for the wired ones. Works great this way. Internet---LTSP---switch---clients(wired) |---LinkSys---clients(wireless) You will have to set an ip manually on the linksys, but set it at one number below the LTSP and exclude that number from the DHCP range. Leave the two NICs in the server set up just as they are. Eth0 goes to switch andeht1 goes to internet. Doug Petre Scheie wrote: > What's the best way of converting a two-NIC server to a single NIC? > Or more precisely, moving the DHCP service from eth0 to eth1? > > I've got a two-NIC server that is having trouble using the DNS info > coming from a Linksys WRT54G which is connected to the internet. > Here's a crude diagram: > > Internet---Linksys---ltsp server---switch---clients > | > |---clients > > > > My plan is to switch them around so the server is connected to the > internet (there's a firewall in between there) and use the Linksys as > just a WAP by not plugging anything into its upstream port. Not being > certain I can make this work, I may have to leave the Linksys as the > primary internet gateway, and just turn off its DHCP service, and let > the ltsp server provide DHCP. In this case, I don't want the ltsp > server to act as a gateway; rather, I'll need it to be/act like a > single-nic server and still point to the Linksys as the default > gateway. The server's already running and providing file and print > services, so I don't want to rebuild it. If I have to go this route, > I think it's just a matter of having the ltsp server's DHCP service > running on eth1 instead of eth0 where it is now. Can I make that > happen by just changing all the addresses using in /etc/dhcpd.conf? > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Sat Feb 4 18:36:14 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:36:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using clients' network boot BIOS option In-Reply-To: <43E0C672.5060407@maltzen.net> References: <43E0C672.5060407@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <81BB8F34-144E-4788-A684-4B8F4773F33D@independence.k12.ia.us> Hi Petre, I use this exclusively in my labs with no issues at all. You may need to check the BIOS to make sure there isn't a security setting that denies booting to the network (Dell has this setting, and I've got some older HP Vectra vl400's that also have this option) Once booting, you may need to configure the boot rom. On all the machines I have seen, you configure the boot room when you see the message for configuration, typically using ctrl + alt + b keys. I believe by default they are set to boot using TCP/IP. I change all mine to PXE, hit F10 to save, and they will then successfully boot with no problems at all. Hope this helps. Brad On Feb 1, 2006, at 8:32 AM, Petre Scheie wrote: > Machines of the past few years usually have an option in their BIOS > to boot from the LAN. But whenever I've tried using it with a > K12LTSTP server, it doesn't work, the client doesn't boot from the > server. Should this work? Do I have to add something to > lts.conf? I generally favor boot floppies, but I've got one > machine that starts to boot from the floppy but then the screen > goes grey and I get a line of garbage characters in the middle of > the screen. So, I need an alternative way to at least test > booting. This machine has a boot from lan option, but like all the > others I've tried, it doesn't seem to work. > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Sat Feb 4 18:41:31 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:41:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Attempting to Setup SATA RAID In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64125F84-DF1D-4866-9208-35AC679F6253@independence.k12.ia.us> On Jan 27, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Steve Hampton wrote: > Hi List, > > If anyone has ran into this problem before, and knows a quick solution > please share it with me, otherwise I am giving up on this . I have > researched it to death and I have trouble shot it to the point that I > know it is a linux problem, I am just hoping there is a quick fix for > it. I will detail the problem below. > > I have an intel motherboard with an onboard Silicon Image SATA RAID > controller. I have been running my k12ltsp server without a safty > net, i know shame on me, but I finally decidied to setup RAID 1 so > that I would have a safety net. > > I have a Seagate 120GB SATA drive with my K12 install on it. I added > a Western Dig. 120GB SATA drive and then rebooted, went into the > Silicon Image Configuration tool at bootup and created a RAID set and > mirrored my first drive to the second one. Then when I rebooted the > machine grub comes up i choose the kernel and then right after it > begins to load the kernel before the INIT version and it says > "Starting Fedora Core" > > It fails with the error "IRQ 10 Nobody cares!" and then freezes with > "Disableing irq 10" to fix the problem I simply have to reboot, delete > my Raid set in the Silicon Image config tool and then turn the machine > off unhook the second drive and i am using the server now to write > this email. But I would like for this to work. Below is the relevent > info from my grub file if that helps > > title Fedora Core (2.6.12-1.1381_FC3) > root (hd0,0) > kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.12-1.1381_FC3 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet > initrd /initrd-2.6.12-1.1381_FC3.img > > Thanks > Steve > > > Open Source, The Right Thing To Do! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Hi Steve, I had the same problem setting up an new server yesterday...not an intel board...actually an asus Nvidia opteron board. Long story short...same errors. BIOS update made errors go away, so you may want to explore that possiblity. Brad From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sun Feb 5 03:36:56 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:36:56 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] nx client gets error 204 Message-ID: <60364.70.96.75.10.1139110616.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Hello List, I have tried to get NX server/client working on a couple of our K12LTSP servers. I have the server running ,confirmed but when I try to connect from either a Windows macine or even localhost/Linux ,in the output file i get Connected to on port 22 nx > 208 using auth method: publickey, nx > 204 authentication failed, regardless which of the servers I have NX server running on. I did read the howto , by Rick Stout,which is well written. Has anyone else with K12LTSP ,experienced this? I was just wanting to see how this works,after seeing all the positive comments by everyone,that has posted about FreeNX. On the Linux client I do not see any means of importing dsa keys?? Im missing something, Im sure,, but duuuhhh me... Thanks You, Barry Cisna From petre at maltzen.net Sun Feb 5 14:23:59 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:23:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] nx client gets error 204 In-Reply-To: <60364.70.96.75.10.1139110616.squirrel@216.24.126.68> References: <60364.70.96.75.10.1139110616.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: <43E60A7F.5030701@maltzen.net> In reading Rick Stout's article, did you get the part about importing the server's client.id_dsa.key into the client? With that said, I've got one server that I can't connect to the nxserver; I get an 'Authentication failed for user petre' each time. And yes I did import the client.id_dsa.key from that server. I've got nxserver running on three or four other servers and I connect to them just fine. Petre cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > Hello List, > > I have tried to get NX server/client working on a couple of our K12LTSP > servers. I have the server running ,confirmed but when I try to connect > from either a Windows macine or even localhost/Linux ,in the output file i > get > Connected to on port 22 > nx > 208 using auth method: publickey, > nx > 204 authentication failed, > regardless which of the servers I have NX server running on. I did read > the howto , by Rick Stout,which is well written. Has anyone else with > K12LTSP ,experienced this? I was just wanting to see how this works,after > seeing all the positive comments by everyone,that has posted about FreeNX. > On the Linux client I do not see any means of importing dsa keys?? > Im missing something, Im sure,, but duuuhhh me... > > Thanks You, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From tlegge at rogers.com Sun Feb 5 14:24:36 2006 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:24:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nx client gets error 204 In-Reply-To: <60364.70.96.75.10.1139110616.squirrel@216.24.126.68> References: <60364.70.96.75.10.1139110616.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: <43E60AA4.1050704@rogers.com> cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > Hello List, > > I have tried to get NX server/client working on a couple of our K12LTSP > servers. I have the server running ,confirmed but when I try to connect > from either a Windows macine or even localhost/Linux ,in the output file i > get > Connected to on port 22 > nx > 208 using auth method: publickey, > nx > 204 authentication failed, > regardless which of the servers I have NX server running on. I did read > the howto , by Rick Stout,which is well written. Has anyone else with > K12LTSP ,experienced this? I was just wanting to see how this works,after > seeing all the positive comments by everyone,that has posted about FreeNX. > On the Linux client I do not see any means of importing dsa keys?? > Im missing something, Im sure,, but duuuhhh me... Take a look at the troubleshooting section: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WebHome?topic=FreeNX Tim From cliebow at midmaine.com Sun Feb 5 14:58:18 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:58:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] nx client gets error 204 In-Reply-To: <43E60AA4.1050704@rogers.com> References: <60364.70.96.75.10.1139110616.squirrel@216.24.126.68> <43E60AA4.1050704@rogers.com> Message-ID: <48607.70.33.151.214.1139151498.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> if you hiy configure,,with the latest client is a button markedkeys where you can import a key and save it...chuck From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sun Feb 5 16:49:08 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:49:08 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: nx client gets error 204 Message-ID: <61203.70.96.75.10.1139158148.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Thanks, Petre, Tim, cliebow, With your suggestions,,and some persiverence, I got NX working!! yeehaw! I downed the nx/feenx packages from the Rick Stout website,and downed the Client(1.5.0),from the nomachine website. What I was missing, duuuhhhh was the Key in the client view "appeared" to be identical to the id_dsa.key on the server ,but dumb me didnt try to "manually importing" the server key ,into the client/then Save & OK. Once i got the id_rsa.key off of the server the client connected pronto. ALso as a sidenote,from the LTSP/WIKI/howto for setting up NX, i found the nx user's password WAS locked,but was unable to unlock it but I was still able to connect,even with this being the case. Now for another Q?. IS anyone else's monitor with NX showing strange black/multicolored areas,right around all of the icons?. Ive tryed a few different display settings,and they all come up with the same results. Also some windows show strange colors around the borders and some text looks smudged. Im hoping I can get this peice working, so teachers may be more inclined to access Linux from their Winders boxes,with being able to put shortcuts for NX on their desktops. Its hard to teach old dogs new tricks, ya know. Ive been able to get a few to use VNC,but NX keeps their username/password in one click,so Im hoping this is a help to them. Thank You, Barry CIsna From me at jasonclinton.com Sun Feb 5 17:09:24 2006 From: me at jasonclinton.com (Jason Clinton) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:09:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: nx client gets error 204 In-Reply-To: <61203.70.96.75.10.1139158148.squirrel@216.24.126.68> References: <61203.70.96.75.10.1139158148.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: <200602051109.28704.me@jasonclinton.com> On Sunday 05 February 2006 10:49, cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > Now for another Q?. IS anyone else's monitor with NX showing strange > black/multicolored areas,right around all of the icons?. Ive tryed a few > different display settings,and they all come up with the same results. > Also some windows show strange colors around the borders and some text > looks smudged. I can only guess: This sort of behavior happens when the X server is trying accelerate the XRender extention and its not present. It's trying to do alphablending in hardware but, obviously, there's not hardware being used in a network connection. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Sun Feb 5 19:58:51 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:58:51 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Audacity Message-ID: <43E658FB.10103@orcon.net.nz> I am about to begin on a class project of producing podcasts. Does audacity work well from Thin clients? I imagine it would put quite a heavy load on the server HD. Would it be advisable to use local HD? If so how? Any other suggestions? From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Mon Feb 6 01:50:33 2006 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 20:50:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell Poweredge 2850 video after running Yum to update server Message-ID: I ran Yum extender to update my ltsp server which is a Dell PowerEdge 2850 and the X.org update broke video on the server console. I set the video to vesa driver to get the video back on the server. Did not break the clients though. I just want to give everybody a heads up if you have one of these servers. The server has an integrated Ati Radeon 7000 for video. -Glenn From haysja at sages.us Mon Feb 6 03:12:39 2006 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 21:12:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Audacity In-Reply-To: <43E658FB.10103@orcon.net.nz> References: <43E658FB.10103@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <1139195559.43e6bea739b0a@sages.us> Thin clients and sound don't play well together. If sound is a big thing for you, then thin clients are not the solution. Quoting Krsnendu Dasa : > I am about to begin on a class project of producing podcasts. Does > audacity work well from Thin clients? I imagine it would put quite a > heavy load on the server HD. Would it be advisable to use local HD? If > so how? Any other suggestions? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From jimlinux at nethere.com Mon Feb 6 07:14:59 2006 From: jimlinux at nethere.com (Jim Doyle) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 23:14:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update k3b Error Message-ID: <43E6F773.1000203@nethere.com> I added the 6 lines below the "# PUT YOUR REPOS HERE ..." (see below) in an attempt to update yum.conf so I could update k3b. I got the following error when I tried to: yum update k3b Error: Missing Dependency: libmad.so.0 is needed by package k3b Using LTSP 4.4.1 (I think) Any help would be great. Thanks, Jim Doyle ------------------------ http://www.k3b.org/index.pl/download Fedora Core 3 users should add the following lines to the configuration files: yum * [xcyb-stable] name=Fedora Core 3 ( xcyborg / stable ) baseurl=http://rpms.xcyb.org/fedora/3/stable/ [xcyb-bleeding] name=Fedora Core 3 ( xcyborg / bleeding ) baseurl=http://rpms.xcyb.org/fedora/3/bleeding/ /etc/yum.conf [main] cachedir=/var/cache/yum debuglevel=2 logfile=/var/log/yum.log pkgpolicy=newest distroverpkg=redhat-release tolerant=1 exactarch=1 retries=20 obsoletes=1 gpgcheck=1 # PUT YOUR REPOS HERE OR IN separate files named file.repo # in /etc/yum.repos.d [xcyb-stable] name=Fedora Core 3 ( xcyborg / stable ) baseurl=http://rpms.xcyb.org/fedora/3/stable/ [xcyb-bleeding] name=Fedora Core 3 ( xcyborg / bleeding ) baseurl=http://rpms.xcyb.org/fedora/3/bleeding/ ------------------------ [root at server Download]# yum update k3b Setting up Update Process Setting up Repos k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 xcyb-bleeding 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 xcyb-stable 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 extras 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files k12ltsp : ################################################## 2894/2894 webmin : ################################################## 5/5 base : ################################################## 2622/2622 updates-re: ################################################## 934/934 xcyb-stabl: ################################################## 66/66 extras : ################################################## 2113/2113 Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package k3b.i386 0:0.12.4a-1.xcyb set to be updated --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libtag.so.1 for package: k3b --> Processing Dependency: libmad.so.0 for package: k3b --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package taglib.i386 0:1.3.1-1 set to be updated --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libmad.so.0 for package: k3b --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Missing Dependency: libmad.so.0 is needed by package k3b From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 6 12:03:19 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 04:03:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] playing video files on thin client... any issues? Message-ID: <20060206120319.87027.qmail@web31612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, everyone! I've installed MPlayer on one of our K12LTSP servers (4.4.1) to play windows media and quicktime files. Everything works okay (video's fine, and sound works) when I play these kinds of video files when I log in directly at the server computer. My question: Will I likely have problems with 15 thin clients each running MPlayer at the same time? (I haven't had performance problems when, for example, they've all been running Firefox or OpenOffice.) By the way, the server PC has a 3 GHz AMD CPU with 2 GB memory. And each thin client PC has a sound card that works with K12LTSP. Thanks for any advice you all can provide! David Whitmer Calvary Schools of Holland __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Mon Feb 6 13:08:38 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:08:38 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: nx client gets error 204 Message-ID: <59041.172.28.8.55.1139231318.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello Jason, Thanks for the input on the Video prob. I wonder if there is a reslove in NX,to overcome this? Thank You, Barry Cisna From trond at maehlum.net Mon Feb 6 13:26:59 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 14:26:59 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell Poweredge 2850 video after running Yum to update server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43E74EA3.4080009@maehlum.net> Glenn Arnold wrote: > I ran Yum extender to update my ltsp server which is a Dell PowerEdge > 2850 and the X.org update broke video on the server console. I set the > video to vesa driver to get the video back on the server. Did not break > the clients though. I just want to give everybody a heads up if you > have one of these servers. The server has an integrated Ati Radeon 7000 > for video. Thanks for the heads up. I have a PowerEdge 1850 and run the latest k12ltsp-4.2.3EL on it. The same thing happened there as well. Changing to vesa in xorg fixed it. Trond > -Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From SelzlerB at esuhsd.org Mon Feb 6 14:46:37 2006 From: SelzlerB at esuhsd.org (Selzler, Bruce) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:46:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Moodle Message-ID: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF0193EF66@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Additionally teachers can work collaboratively on developing online curriculum. I work with our AVID teachers to put the curriculum online. It makes the activities much more interactive and engaging for the students, and has the added benefit of not wasting so much paper, time, and effort on handouts. Moodle is also very easy to install and manage. I highly recommend it. There are also "asp" type services that will install and host it for you. You can find many at moodle.com. I also offer such a service, but will refrain from advertising here. Drop me a note if you want to know more. - Sez ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:04:00 -0800 From: Huck Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Moodle, et al To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <43E3A920.5000805 at paasda.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed online quiz making/taking/scheduling...auto grading of said quizes. interactive participation through use of the forum... create their entire syllabus online and having it available with their curriculm map for all parents to view whenever they wish... the list really goes on and on...it is limited mostly by the creativity of the teacher. We had a part time teacher who had all of his classwork setup on Moodle...he took attendance..lectured a bit..made CLASStime more fun and interesting and let them hit the moodle server to do their work. --Huck Mark Cockrell wrote: > Ok, here's where my position as a tech and not as a teacher is a bit of > a detriment. Moodle- I know what it is, but I'm not sure I "get it." > Could some of you teachers out there who are using it help me out. When > a teacher asks me *why* he should use something like Moodle, what can I > tell them? Being a geek my initial response is, "Well, it's really > cool!" but that doesn't really seem to resonate with those who will > actually be using the application. Why are Moodle and its ilk a good > thing? What can you do with them that you can't do without them? Why > should a teacher use these tools as opposed to the tried-and-true > methodologies that have been in use for generations? I'm not looking > for an idealistic treatise on the nature of learning and the miracle of > the read/write Web. I'm looking for a way to make a middle-aged English > Lit. teacher see the *benefit* of using such a tool. Explaining why > they should, or what the current educational research shows doesn't show > them how it'll make their job easier/better. Any takers? > From SelzlerB at esuhsd.org Mon Feb 6 14:50:34 2006 From: SelzlerB at esuhsd.org (Selzler, Bruce) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:50:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Authenticating from and Mounting OSX Volumes Message-ID: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF0193EF67@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Does anyone have instructions for the reverse of this? Our OSX server contains the users and the volumes. Can LTSP authenticate to OSX and mount the user volumes? > Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > Has anyone setup roaming profiles on Apple OSX clients stored on a > > K12LTSP server? (i.e. Netatalk, NFS, or Samba?) > > > > Any tips or tricks you can spare? ;-) > > Yeah -- Jim's tutorial is awesome. I've only used it for NIS, but > the roaming profiles work great. > > http://www.1-cs.com/osxldap.html > > All credit to Jim Kronebusch. (He can give alternate credit if he so > desires. ;) From opensource at whitenitro.com Mon Feb 6 16:18:43 2006 From: opensource at whitenitro.com (Bryant Patten) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:18:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Becta Study Message-ID: <581d1539aa87c84111bf3824189b4506@whitenitro.com> [Apologies for any cross-posting duplication] *Becta Thin Client study- help required* Becta has commissioned KPMG to study the implementation of Thin Client technology in schools in England. Their work will help establish the extent and types of deployment of this technology, and look at the functionality, costs, benefits and issues of such solutions. We would be grateful for your help in this work. As part of the study, KPMG need to identify as many schools as possible across England, elsewhere in the UK and internationally that are using or planning to implement Thin Client technology. Please email KPMG with contact details for any school you know of that has either implemented Thin Client technology or is in the process of doing so. Email details to thinclient at kpmg.co.uk . It would be very helpful if you could provide any relevant information as soon as you are able ? if possible by 17 February - as KPMG need to follow up leads by the middle of March. From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 17:33:05 2006 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:33:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] playing video files on thin client... any issues? In-Reply-To: <20060206120319.87027.qmail@web31612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060206120319.87027.qmail@web31612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello, > By the way, the server PC has a 3 GHz AMD CPU with 2 > GB memory. And each thin client PC has a sound card > that works with K12LTSP. I know this isn't on your original topic, but I am looking for soundcards that work with thin clients. What type do you have? Thank you. Joseph From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Mon Feb 6 18:02:32 2006 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (Larry McPherson) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:02:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] playing video files on thin client... any issues? In-Reply-To: References: <20060206120319.87027.qmail@web31612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1139248953.10740.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> I use old sound blaster cards - model 4810 and 4170 from old machines that have gone to the dump. Larry On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 12:33 -0500, Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello, > > > By the way, the server PC has a 3 GHz AMD CPU with 2 > > GB memory. And each thin client PC has a sound card > > that works with K12LTSP. > > I know this isn't on your original topic, but I am looking for > soundcards that work with thin clients. What type do you have? > > Thank you. > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From trond at maehlum.net Mon Feb 6 20:05:53 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 21:05:53 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] web filtering with SquidGuard Message-ID: <43E7AC21.5030803@maehlum.net> We are filtering unwanted webpages with SquidGuard. We set the transparent proxy script, using iptables, to redirect all port 80 surfing to squid. We have been very happy with our solution. But now it has come to our attention that our efforts to block unwanted webpages are easily bypassed. The students use web-proxies instead. They use pages like proxypop.com to jump directly to the banned pages. We are blocking these sites as we discover them, but there's just too many of them... Our installation of SquidGuard is installed on a Debian Sarge machine. It doesn't auto-update it's databases in any way as far as I know. Is there some way of updating SquidGuards database of blocked urls and domains? -- Trond Maehlum From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 20:42:17 2006 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (RiE) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:42:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] web filtering with SquidGuard In-Reply-To: <43E7AC21.5030803@maehlum.net> References: <43E7AC21.5030803@maehlum.net> Message-ID: <69b790a80602061242x3b014f43y6b95c430487697eb@mail.gmail.com> On 2/6/06, Trond M?hlum wrote: > We are blocking these sites as we discover them, but there's just too > many of them... Our installation of SquidGuard is installed on a Debian > Sarge machine. It doesn't auto-update it's databases in any way as far > as I know. Is there some way of updating SquidGuards database of blocked > urls and domains? There are ways. You can download the latest blacklist from MESD. Eric hosts that list. I think it's compiled from a couple different lists. I did a google for bypassing proxys. There are a couple of sites that have lists of proxy bypass pages. Grabbing domains from those such pages is a good way of adding to sites to block. One site offered up a perl script for creating your own. What I did was add a regular expression list to what squidguard is blocking. The contents of the list have 1 line per script. I used essentially the common file name that seemed to be used for the proxy-bypass software. Here's what I have: (nph-proxy.[cgi|pl]) (nph-proxya.[cgi|pl]) (nph-proxyb.[cgi|pl]) (nph-surf.[cgi|pl]) (nph-one.[cgi|pl]) (nph-teste.[cgi|pl]) I think I did it this way so if someone had a legit script called nph-something.pl, it wouldn't be blocked. I have not had any false positives reported with this list. Roger From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 20:47:14 2006 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (RiE) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:47:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] web filtering with SquidGuard In-Reply-To: <69b790a80602061242x3b014f43y6b95c430487697eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <43E7AC21.5030803@maehlum.net> <69b790a80602061242x3b014f43y6b95c430487697eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69b790a80602061247g171ded05ydf3d48cd8e52fdea@mail.gmail.com> On 2/6/06, RiE wrote: > On 2/6/06, Trond M?hlum wrote: > > > We are blocking these sites as we discover them, but there's just too > > many of them... Our installation of SquidGuard is installed on a Debian > > Sarge machine. It doesn't auto-update it's databases in any way as far > > as I know. Is there some way of updating SquidGuards database of blocked > > urls and domains? > There are ways. You can download the latest blacklist from MESD. > Eric hosts that list. I think it's compiled from a couple different > lists. > > I did a google for bypassing proxys. There are a couple of sites that > have lists of proxy bypass pages. Grabbing domains from those such > pages is a good way of adding to sites to block. I forgot to mention. Since it is so easy to try and list every proxy bypass site, if you can block the ones that show up in lists when you google, that will be a big deterent. When I first started blocking these sites, I was watching the logs. The kids apparantly went to the same site as me, then tried 3 or 4 sites then quit. That would lead me to believe 1 of 2 things. 1, they gave up, figuring all were blocked, or 2, they found a site I hadn't blocked. I went further and grepped their IP in the logs, they didn't go to other bypass blocking sites in the few minutes after being blocked due to the list. I think I was fairly successful. From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Mon Feb 6 20:54:40 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:54:40 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] web filtering with SquidGuard In-Reply-To: <69b790a80602061242x3b014f43y6b95c430487697eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <43E7AC21.5030803@maehlum.net> <69b790a80602061242x3b014f43y6b95c430487697eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43E7B790.4070103@rogueriver.k12.or.us> RiE wrote: > Here's what I have: > > (nph-proxy.[cgi|pl]) > (nph-proxya.[cgi|pl]) > (nph-proxyb.[cgi|pl]) > (nph-surf.[cgi|pl]) > (nph-one.[cgi|pl]) > (nph-teste.[cgi|pl]) > > I think I did it this way so if someone had a legit script called > nph-something.pl, it wouldn't be blocked. > I have not had any false positives reported with this list. > Thanks for that - I've been trying to figure out how to block nph proxy for a while now, and none of my ugly hacks at regex worked. One of the primary places I was finding the students were going to is www.proxy.org - it's sort of a clearinghouse for the open proxy sites. Once that's blocked, they'll have to google or otherwise search around. I found that leaving that site open, and then actually catching the kids in the act of bypassing the filter had an immediate and notable effect on behavior. Here's my trick for that: tail -f /var/log/squid/access.log | grep proxy Cheers, Mike From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Mon Feb 6 21:01:48 2006 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (RiE) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:01:48 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] web filtering with SquidGuard In-Reply-To: <43E7B790.4070103@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <43E7AC21.5030803@maehlum.net> <69b790a80602061242x3b014f43y6b95c430487697eb@mail.gmail.com> <43E7B790.4070103@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <69b790a80602061301o349ce142ta76f67c9038962f0@mail.gmail.com> > One of the primary places I was finding the students were going to is > www.proxy.org - it's sort of a clearinghouse for the open proxy sites. > Once that's blocked, they'll have to google or otherwise search around. > I found that leaving that site open, and then actually catching the > kids in the act of bypassing the filter had an immediate and notable > effect on behavior. Here's my trick for that: > tail -f /var/log/squid/access.log | grep proxy > I've had proxy.org blocked for a while. I use 'less'. If you type 'less access.log', then hit "shift-F", it will 'follow' the file. The reason I like less, I can stop the following with a control-c, then do a reverse search with $. Or, I can do a regular search with /. With less, you can use | to search for multiple items. I'll sometimes run a search for proxy|privacy|secure, then press shift-f, then if any of those terms shows up, it will be highlighted. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Feb 6 21:06:17 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:06:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] web filtering with SquidGuard In-Reply-To: <43E7AC21.5030803@maehlum.net> References: <43E7AC21.5030803@maehlum.net> Message-ID: <43E7BA49.4020907@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Trond M?hlum wrote: > We are filtering unwanted webpages with SquidGuard. We set the > transparent proxy script, using iptables, to redirect all port 80 > surfing to squid. We have been very happy with our solution. But now it > has come to our attention that our efforts to block unwanted webpages > are easily bypassed. The students use web-proxies instead. They use > pages like proxypop.com to jump directly to the banned pages. > > We are blocking these sites as we discover them, but there's just too > many of them... Our installation of SquidGuard is installed on a Debian > Sarge machine. It doesn't auto-update it's databases in any way as far > as I know. Is there some way of updating SquidGuards database of blocked > urls and domains? > This is a fun one! The quick answer: I've recently added a proxy category to the blacklists that I make available. Feel free to update from me if you wish... rsync -Pav filter.mesd.k12.or.us::filtering/ /path/to/your/blacklists/ The K12LTSP update script (/usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklist) should be easily adapted to your Debian setup. The near-future answer: The alpha release of the next major Dans Guardian release (dansguardian.org) has some interesting features that are useful in dealing with the "proxy issue". The "reality" answer: Filtering technology will always be easily bypassed, it doesn't matter what technology you use. Well, maybe not "easily", but if the kids have an incentive to get around filters they will ALWAYS be able to do so. Supervision is the only truly effective method... -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Tue Feb 7 01:21:45 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:21:45 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting sound going with videos In-Reply-To: <9B8CC380-3149-4DCC-AAEE-F40DBFE6B9C4@inlandlakes.org> References: <43E318AF.5010407@orcon.net.nz> <9B8CC380-3149-4DCC-AAEE-F40DBFE6B9C4@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <43E7F629.3030901@orcon.net.nz> I tried the advice given and now I get a message, cannot open/initialize audio device -> no sound. This is the same whether I use commandline or gui. In the gui, if I go to sound config there is no esd driver (only oss, alsa, mpg etc.) should there be? Shawn Powers wrote: > On Feb 3, 2006, at 3:47 AM, Krsnendu Dasa wrote > >> Any tips how to get this working? > > > I don't know the exact file location (and I think it can vary based > on install) but you want to find the config file for mplayer. For > the individual user it is almost always in: > > /home/user/.mplayer/config > > my system-wide file is in: > > /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf > > The items in the user file override the items in the system wide > file. In my system wide file, I have: > > vo=xvidix,xv,x11 > ao=esd,alsa > > mplayer attempts to use those in order. "vo" means video output. > xvidix is great if you have an ati card. xv is accelerated (allows > scaling) and x11 is sorta the "works on most" driver, but hardware > scaling is not supported. I find that order listed works best for me. > > the "ao" means audio output. Make sure esd is listed first. > > Hope that helps! Don't forget to install mplayerplug-in as well! > (It allows embedded video in firefox) > > -Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Tue Feb 7 03:00:23 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:00:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Authenticating from and Mounting OSX Volumes In-Reply-To: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF0193EF67@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> References: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF0193EF67@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Message-ID: yes...very easily. takes not more than a few steps. I use NFS for my ltsp servers...make sure to share your folders on os x using nfs. set up ltsp server to authenticate to ldap. edit your fstab file to mount the nfs file system...by default, os x users have their nfs home folders mounted on /Network/Servers/NameOfYourServer. Make sure you os x users have a login shell chosen for their user account. This can be found under 'workgroup manager'...this step is very important to check...I believe by default os x accounts are set up with no login shell chosen....MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ONE CHOSEN. Reboot your ltsp server once authentication is set up, and login. I'm going from memory right now, so if you want more detailed steps, respond to this and I'll write tomorrow from work. Brad On Feb 6, 2006, at 8:50 AM, Selzler, Bruce wrote: > > Does anyone have instructions for the reverse of this? Our OSX server > contains the users and the volumes. Can LTSP authenticate to OSX and > mount the user volumes? > > >> Eric Harrison wrote: >>> >>> Has anyone setup roaming profiles on Apple OSX clients stored on a >>> K12LTSP server? (i.e. Netatalk, NFS, or Samba?) >>> >>> Any tips or tricks you can spare? ;-) >> >> Yeah -- Jim's tutorial is awesome. I've only used it for NIS, but >> the roaming profiles work great. >> >> http://www.1-cs.com/osxldap.html >> >> All credit to Jim Kronebusch. (He can give alternate credit if he so >> desires. ;) > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Feb 7 10:20:48 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 05:20:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting sound going with videos In-Reply-To: <43E7F629.3030901@orcon.net.nz> References: <43E318AF.5010407@orcon.net.nz> <9B8CC380-3149-4DCC-AAEE-F40DBFE6B9C4@inlandlakes.org> <43E7F629.3030901@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <43E87480.3050606@inlandlakes.org> Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > In the gui, if I go to sound config there is no esd driver (only oss, > alsa, mpg etc.) should there be? Ahh, wherever you got mplayer from, it wasn't compiled with esd support. Bummer. You'll either have to recompile it yourself (not as hard as it sounds), or find a source with more audio support built in. Sorry. :( -Shawn From trond at maehlum.net Tue Feb 7 10:39:47 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:39:47 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] web filtering with SquidGuard In-Reply-To: <43E7BA49.4020907@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43E7AC21.5030803@maehlum.net> <43E7BA49.4020907@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43E878F3.2080302@maehlum.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > Trond M?hlum wrote: > >> We are filtering unwanted webpages with SquidGuard. We set the >> transparent proxy script, using iptables, to redirect all port 80 >> surfing to squid. We have been very happy with our solution. But now it >> has come to our attention that our efforts to block unwanted webpages >> are easily bypassed. The students use web-proxies instead. They use >> pages like proxypop.com to jump directly to the banned pages. >> >> We are blocking these sites as we discover them, but there's just too >> many of them... Our installation of SquidGuard is installed on a Debian >> Sarge machine. It doesn't auto-update it's databases in any way as far >> as I know. Is there some way of updating SquidGuards database of blocked >> urls and domains? >> > > This is a fun one! > > The quick answer: > > I've recently added a proxy category to the blacklists that I make > available. Feel free to update from me if you wish... > > rsync -Pav filter.mesd.k12.or.us::filtering/ /path/to/your/blacklists/ > > The K12LTSP update script (/usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklist) should > be easily adapted to your Debian setup. Thanks a lot for this! This will do nicely. Trond > The near-future answer: > > The alpha release of the next major Dans Guardian release > (dansguardian.org) has some interesting features that are useful in > dealing with the "proxy issue". > > > The "reality" answer: > > Filtering technology will always be easily bypassed, it doesn't matter > what technology you use. Well, maybe not "easily", but if the kids have > an incentive to get around filters they will ALWAYS be able to do so. > Supervision is the only truly effective method... > > > -Eric > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 7 10:56:55 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 02:56:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] playing video files on thin client... any issues? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060207105655.77857.qmail@web31607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello, > > > By the way, the server PC has a 3 GHz AMD CPU with > 2 > > GB memory. And each thin client PC has a sound > card > > that works with K12LTSP. > > I know this isn't on your original topic, but I am > looking for > soundcards that work with thin clients. What type do > you have? > > Thank you. > Joseph > Joseph, We're using Creative SoundBlaster 16 PCI cards, bought new from newegg.com. David __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Feb 7 12:19:20 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 06:19:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] IMAC webbrowser flicker Message-ID: <41924.172.28.8.55.1139314760.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello List, Wanted to see if anyone else that are using Macs,as thin clients has had this happen. When I set the IMACS to come up to a Windows remote desktop/Terminal Server from K12LTSP,aka: SCREEN_01=rdp at bootup,when we log in and open Internet Explorer each page slightly flickers a couple times,then the web page dsiplays fine. It does this on all web pages. IF i set the server to log the Macs into Linux then use the Terminal Server CLient to the same Term Server Internet Explorer displays web pages without the slight flicker when the web page is opened. It does this when navigating to other pages,from hyperlinks,as well. Just wondering if anyone happens to have a reslove for this? Thank You, Barry Cisna From barbara.drake at sd72.bc.ca Tue Feb 7 21:45:25 2006 From: barbara.drake at sd72.bc.ca (Barbara Drake) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:45:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] No sound with 4.4.1 Message-ID: We have five 4.2 LTSP server in our district with no sound issues. We use nasd in the lts.conf and sound blaster cards. Sound has always worked well for us. I set up a new 4.4.1 server with the same config as I always do, but I can?t get sound. I repeated the 4.4.1 on a second server and got no sound. What?s the difference between the 4.2 and 4.4.1 that would stop sound from happening? Thanks. Barbara Drake Lead IT Technician School District 72 Campbell River -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.5/212 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed Feb 8 02:45:19 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:45:19 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting sound going with videos-Changing volume? In-Reply-To: <43E87480.3050606@inlandlakes.org> References: <43E318AF.5010407@orcon.net.nz> <9B8CC380-3149-4DCC-AAEE-F40DBFE6B9C4@inlandlakes.org> <43E7F629.3030901@orcon.net.nz> <43E87480.3050606@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <43E95B3F.2020200@orcon.net.nz> I bit the bullet and installed from source. Pretty easy actually. The only problem is an error message saying: < New_Face failed. Maybe the font path is wrong. 2 ??% ??% ??,?% 0 0 Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf). subtitle font: load_sub_face failed. > What's that about? How can I fix it? Ailso s there anyway to change the volume thru the software? I have got headphones with volume controls, but sometimes I like to use the built in speaker and it would be good be able to adjust the volume. This is true for all applications. Shawn Powers wrote: > Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > >> In the gui, if I go to sound config there is no esd driver (only >> oss, alsa, mpg etc.) should there be? > > > Ahh, wherever you got mplayer from, it wasn't compiled with esd > support. Bummer. You'll either have to recompile it yourself (not as > hard as it sounds), or find a source with more audio support built in. > > Sorry. :( > > -Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed Feb 8 02:57:10 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:57:10 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting sound going with videos-Changing volume? In-Reply-To: <43E95B3F.2020200@orcon.net.nz> References: <43E318AF.5010407@orcon.net.nz> <9B8CC380-3149-4DCC-AAEE-F40DBFE6B9C4@inlandlakes.org> <43E7F629.3030901@orcon.net.nz> <43E87480.3050606@inlandlakes.org> <43E95B3F.2020200@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <43E95E06.4070106@orcon.net.nz> No worries. I worked it out. There is a guide for linking the fonts in the Fedora Mplayer guide. When using the gui there is a volume control that works. And even an eq. Cool. Now we just have to work out how to adjust the volume in programs like Tuxmath that have no volume control. Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > I bit the bullet and installed from source. Pretty easy actually. > The only problem is an error message saying: > < > New_Face failed. Maybe the font path is wrong. 2 ??% ??% ??,?% 0 0 > > Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf). > subtitle font: load_sub_face failed. > >> > > What's that about? How can I fix it? > > Ailso s there anyway to change the volume thru the software? I have > got headphones with volume controls, but sometimes I like to use the > built in speaker and it would be good be able to adjust the volume. > This is true for all applications. > Shawn Powers wrote: > >> Krsnendu Dasa wrote: >> >>> In the gui, if I go to sound config there is no esd driver (only >>> oss, alsa, mpg etc.) should there be? >> >> >> >> Ahh, wherever you got mplayer from, it wasn't compiled with esd >> support. Bummer. You'll either have to recompile it yourself (not >> as hard as it sounds), or find a source with more audio support built >> in. >> >> Sorry. :( >> >> -Shawn >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From thepiano at telenet.be Wed Feb 8 05:10:07 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:10:07 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting sound going with videos-Changing volume? In-Reply-To: <43E95E06.4070106@orcon.net.nz> References: <43E318AF.5010407@orcon.net.nz> <9B8CC380-3149-4DCC-AAEE-F40DBFE6B9C4@inlandlakes.org> <43E7F629.3030901@orcon.net.nz> <43E87480.3050606@inlandlakes.org> <43E95B3F.2020200@orcon.net.nz> <43E95E06.4070106@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: Could you share your building information, cause we're hitting the same problems. :-) Kevin On 8-feb-06, at 03:57, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > No worries. I worked it out. > There is a guide for linking the fonts in the Fedora Mplayer guide. > When using the gui there is a volume control that works. And even > an eq. Cool. > Now we just have to work out how to adjust the volume in programs > like Tuxmath that have no volume control. > > Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > >> I bit the bullet and installed from source. Pretty easy actually. >> The only problem is an error message saying: >> < >> New_Face failed. Maybe the font path is wrong. 2 ??% ??% ??,?% 0 0 >> >> Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf). >> subtitle font: load_sub_face failed. >> >>> >> >> What's that about? How can I fix it? >> >> Ailso s there anyway to change the volume thru the software? I >> have got headphones with volume controls, but sometimes I like to >> use the built in speaker and it would be good be able to adjust >> the volume. This is true for all applications. >> Shawn Powers wrote: >> >>> Krsnendu Dasa wrote: >>> >>>> In the gui, if I go to sound config there is no esd driver >>>> (only oss, alsa, mpg etc.) should there be? >>> >>> >>> >>> Ahh, wherever you got mplayer from, it wasn't compiled with esd >>> support. Bummer. You'll either have to recompile it yourself >>> (not as hard as it sounds), or find a source with more audio >>> support built in. >>> >>> Sorry. :( >>> >>> -Shawn >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From julian_yap at yahoo.com Wed Feb 8 09:35:03 2006 From: julian_yap at yahoo.com (Julian Yap) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 23:35:03 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Smb-ldap admin interface and hardware recommendations Message-ID: <1139391303.1953.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi all, Just a quick update on my smb-ldap testing. I managed to get Samba working with Fedora Directory Server as the backend according to the instructions that were on their wiki. It was a relatively simple exercise and I was satisfied that it worked in practice. I then tried out installing smb-ldap on Debian Linux (sarge) using OpenLDAP and Samba. To start of with, I only found 1 site which actually had instructions for installing OpenLDAP on Debian. After 2 days of trying to get it to work, I gave up. There's more I could say but I won't. By now I felt I had a better understanding of Samba and LDAP so I installed it on CentOS and it's working fine for me. I'm up to the part now where I'm evaluating web-based admin interfaces. Right now I'm using smbldap-tools which is fine for the command-line but not practical for the long run and for administration to be done by others. I tried out IDEALX Management concole with samba-console today but ran into errors and annoyances like: - Login session timeouts requiring a browser restart. - IDEALX supplies a SSL certificate that has expired. - Display of certain screens is messed up. eg. User screen. - Errors for some parts and the login button at the top right doesn't work. Basically, it's not a mature solution. What are the other solutions people have used? I'm looking into testing out LDAP Account Manager (http://lam.sourceforge.net/) shortly. My second question to the list was about hardware and recommendations. We're about to buy the hardware for out smb-ldap solution. This would be for ~330 students and I'm not sure how many teachers. I just wanted to quickly ask what were the hardware specs on your main PDC? Would you recommend more RAM? Would you recommend a 15000rpm SCSI drives as opposed to a pair of cheaper serial Hard disk drives with software raid? We were thinking of an Athlon 64, 2GB RAM, 36.7GB 15k RPM SCSI. We would initially also use this to store the home folders and profiles. As our needs grow, would add more file servers. Thanks, Julian From per at qvtech.cc Wed Feb 8 09:50:42 2006 From: per at qvtech.cc (Per Qvindesland) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:50:42 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Smb-ldap admin interface and hardware recommendations In-Reply-To: <1139391303.1953.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1139391303.1953.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43E9BEF2.5000506@qvtech.cc> Hello Julian, That machine that you mention should be working like a bomb, i have a client with about +1000 clients that is using smbldap with a p4 and 512 mb ram, ok it's a bit slow but it's working. IDEALX is not going to be developed any more from what I hear so lam is a good option instead. Regards Per Qvindesland Julian Yap wrote: > Hi all, > > Just a quick update on my smb-ldap testing. > > I managed to get Samba working with Fedora Directory Server as the > backend according to the instructions that were on their wiki. It was a > relatively simple exercise and I was satisfied that it worked in > practice. > > I then tried out installing smb-ldap on Debian Linux (sarge) using > OpenLDAP and Samba. To start of with, I only found 1 site which > actually had instructions for installing OpenLDAP on Debian. After 2 > days of trying to get it to work, I gave up. There's more I could say > but I won't. > > By now I felt I had a better understanding of Samba and LDAP so I > installed it on CentOS and it's working fine for me. > > I'm up to the part now where I'm evaluating web-based admin interfaces. > Right now I'm using smbldap-tools which is fine for the command-line butnot practical for the long run and for administration to be done by > others. > > I tried out IDEALX Management concole with samba-console today but ran > into errors and annoyances like: > - Login session timeouts requiring a browser restart. > - IDEALX supplies a SSL certificate that has expired. > - Display of certain screens is messed up. eg. User screen. > - Errors for some parts and the login button at the top right doesn't > work. > > Basically, it's not a mature solution. > > What are the other solutions people have used? I'm looking into testing > out LDAP Account Manager (http://lam.sourceforge.net/) shortly. > > My second question to the list was about hardware and recommendations. > We're about to buy the hardware for out smb-ldap solution. This would > be for ~330 students and I'm not sure how many teachers. > > I just wanted to quickly ask what were the hardware specs on your main > PDC? Would you recommend more RAM? Would you recommend a 15000rpm SCSI > drives as opposed to a pair of cheaper serial Hard disk drives with > software raid? > > We were thinking of an Athlon 64, 2GB RAM, 36.7GB 15k RPM SCSI. We > would initially also use this to store the home folders and profiles. As > our needs grow, would add more file servers. > > Thanks, > Julian > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Feb 8 12:34:18 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:34:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Smb-ldap admin interface and hardware recommendations In-Reply-To: <1139391303.1953.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1139391303.1953.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <60963.70.33.151.214.1139402058.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Hi: My directory is deep rather than flat so i built some scripts to bypass the smbldap-functions and tied them to a little python tk interface..All the thinking is done in the scripts so to add or delete users..enable/disable users add groups i just add say username and graduation class..all other fields are extracted from smb.conf to create an ldif which is ldapadded.. But extremely useful is the java-based ldapbrowser which is kind of obsure to find .it has the advantage also of being run as a java applet from a web page..working on a web-based cgi front end for my scripts now..chuck From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Wed Feb 8 12:23:10 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:23:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] eMac video driver Message-ID: <47972.172.28.8.55.1139401390.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello K12LTSPer's, Could anyone point me somewere for a howto, on getting eMacs that get Xserver error,at bootup for a resolve? I switched to a shell login then did start xserver but the error goes by too fast to gather any info from it. Not sure what version of Openfirmware these machines have on them? I can get iMacs to boot up fine with a default install of the PPC rpm . K12LTSP v 4.1.1 Thank You, Barry Cisna From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Feb 8 15:23:59 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:23:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Software virtualization...opensource way? Message-ID: Ok....aside from the licensing of the OS or apps....(that part I understand) I'm reading a lot about software virtualization....In other words allowing one server to run multiple OS's or perhaps allowing one networked workstation or terminal to access multiple apps written for other platforms. For example: a Windoze workstation could access an app written for Mac OS X running on a virtual server in the server room. I've read up a bit on Xen, but do not totally understand it. Good article here: http://www.eschoolnews.com/news/showStory.cfm?ArticleID=6057 and here's a company that does virtualization... http://www.ardence.com/ My question....does anyone know of an Open Source or at least free way of doing this? Is Xen the same thing? See here: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/virtualization/ I'm curious to know what others may have done, experienced, or are working on. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From luis.montes at cox.net Wed Feb 8 15:20:34 2006 From: luis.montes at cox.net (luis.montes at cox.net) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:20:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Software virtualization...opensource way? Message-ID: <20060208152420.KQJT20875.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]> You might want to take a look at vmware player and vmware server(formerly GSX). They have both been recently made free(beer not speech). Also if you're willing to spend a few bucks, you might want to look at vmware workstation as well. Luis > > From: "David Trask" > Date: 2006/02/08 Wed AM 10:23:59 EST > To: K12OSN at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Software virtualization...opensource way? > > Ok....aside from the licensing of the OS or apps....(that part I > understand) > > I'm reading a lot about software virtualization....In other words allowing > one server to run multiple OS's or perhaps allowing one networked > workstation or terminal to access multiple apps written for other > platforms. For example: a Windoze workstation could access an app > written for Mac OS X running on a virtual server in the server room. I've > read up a bit on Xen, but do not totally understand it. > > Good article here: > > http://www.eschoolnews.com/news/showStory.cfm?ArticleID=6057 > > and here's a company that does virtualization... > > http://www.ardence.com/ > > My question....does anyone know of an Open Source or at least free way of > doing this? Is Xen the same thing? > > See here: > > http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/virtualization/ > > I'm curious to know what others may have done, experienced, or are working > on. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ccraig at safedesksolutions.com Wed Feb 8 16:02:03 2006 From: ccraig at safedesksolutions.com (Curt Craig) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:02:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Software virtualization...opensource way? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200602080802.03600.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> On Wednesday 08 February 2006 07:23, David Trask wrote: > I'm curious to know what others may have done, experienced, or are working > on. It's not free...but not that expensive either; the fees cover installation and 24/7 support for 1 year. We still offer a free, non-virtualized version, but have found there is a growing level of interest in a supported model...not to mention compatibility with those pesky non-OS applications. http://www.novell.com/partnerguide/product/201582.html http://www.safedesk.com/products/enterprise/ -- Curt Craig SafeDesk Solutions (866) 465-8636 www.safedesk.com From JRuff at Sihope.com Wed Feb 8 15:57:54 2006 From: JRuff at Sihope.com (John G Ruff) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:57:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Software virtualization...opensource way? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1139414275.7679.55.camel@johnruff.updates4you.com> Xen, for now, only runs Linux virtual machines (VM). http://xen.sf.net/ VMware has released VMplayer for free usage (that's free as in cost, not liberty). VMplayer is not intended to be used for VM creation, but can be. Google for "OS.vmdk". VMware this week announced that it is releasing Vmware Server as a free product. http://www.vmware.com/news/releases/server_beta.html VMplayer is great at running guest operating systems. Generally, the guests are just as functional as a native installation. Boot up is quick, hardware virtualization is very good, the mouse movement is smooth and programs work as expected. A great plus is that damaged / compromised / vandalized VM images can be deleted and replaced with a master image. Or, one master image can be updated and copied to multiple usage instances. Just like a real computer, any local data needs to be backed up before "scrubbing." VMware WorkStation (not free) adds functionality such as improved networking, higher resolution video than the Windows VM default of 640x480x16 and tools for fine tuning and shrinking a VM. The only real problem, especially in a LTSP environment, is memory usage. Each VM needs to be allocated a chunk of RAM. Within limits, it is feasible, but does not scale very far. Running Windows 95 instead Windows XP can save considerably on the memory requirements, but at a substantial functionality and stability cost. Windows 2000 runs just fine in 96 Mb, but is then quite limited as to the programs that can be started. Multiple VMs, all swapping, could cause a significant disk performance problem on the host server. jr On Wed, 2006-02-08 at 10:23 -0500, David Trask wrote: > Ok....aside from the licensing of the OS or apps....(that part I > understand) > > I'm reading a lot about software virtualization....In other words allowing > one server to run multiple OS's or perhaps allowing one networked > workstation or terminal to access multiple apps written for other > platforms. For example: a Windoze workstation could access an app > written for Mac OS X running on a virtual server in the server room. I've > read up a bit on Xen, but do not totally understand it. > > Good article here: > > http://www.eschoolnews.com/news/showStory.cfm?ArticleID=6057 > > and here's a company that does virtualization... > > http://www.ardence.com/ > > My question....does anyone know of an Open Source or at least free way of > doing this? Is Xen the same thing? > > See here: > > http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/virtualization/ > > I'm curious to know what others may have done, experienced, or are working > on. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Feb 8 16:32:20 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:32:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Software virtualization...opensource way? In-Reply-To: <1139414275.7679.55.camel@johnruff.updates4you.com> References: <1139414275.7679.55.camel@johnruff.updates4you.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, February 08, 2006 at 10:57 AM +0000 wrote: >The only real problem, especially in a LTSP environment, is memory >usage. Each VM needs to be allocated a chunk of RAM. Within limits, it >is feasible, but does not scale very far. Running Windows 95 instead >Windows XP can save considerably on the memory requirements, but at a >substantial functionality and stability cost. Windows 2000 runs just >fine in 96 Mb, but is then quite limited as to the programs that can be >started. Multiple VMs, all swapping, could cause a significant disk >performance problem on the host server. Interesting. My primary interest would be Mac OS X apps...etc. as I already have a Windows terminal server and am using rdesktop....works fine. I'm curious as to things like sound....does sound from a virtual machine travel down to a thin client? Can anyone comment on how OS X apps might work in this type of setup...accessed using thin-clients? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From luis.montes at cox.net Wed Feb 8 16:30:02 2006 From: luis.montes at cox.net (luis.montes at cox.net) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:30:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Software virtualization...opensource way? Message-ID: <20060208163200.GKYR17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]> > > From: "David Trask" > Date: 2006/02/08 Wed AM 11:32:20 EST > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Software virtualization...opensource way? > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, February 08, 2006 at 10:57 AM +0000 wrote: > >The only real problem, especially in a LTSP environment, is memory > >usage. Each VM needs to be allocated a chunk of RAM. Within limits, it > >is feasible, but does not scale very far. Running Windows 95 instead > >Windows XP can save considerably on the memory requirements, but at a > >substantial functionality and stability cost. Windows 2000 runs just > >fine in 96 Mb, but is then quite limited as to the programs that can be > >started. Multiple VMs, all swapping, could cause a significant disk > >performance problem on the host server. > > Interesting. My primary interest would be Mac OS X apps...etc. as I > already have a Windows terminal server and am using rdesktop....works > fine. I'm curious as to things like sound....does sound from a virtual > machine travel down to a thin client? Can anyone comment on how OS X apps > might work in this type of setup...accessed using thin-clients? > Using vmware workstation you could send the sound from the guest OS to /dev/dsp. I'm not expert on sound & ltsp, so not sure if that helps. As far as OSX goes, As of version 5 of vmware(the one I'm using) OSX isn't yet supported. I imagine this will change with the coming of OSX for intel. BTW, way offtopic David, Have you looked at the fedora directory server as the basis for an ldap/samba server? Seems like it would be the way to go as all the software should be included. Luis From moquist at majen.net Wed Feb 8 17:37:22 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 12:37:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Smb-ldap admin interface and hardware recommendations (Julian Yap) In-Reply-To: <20060208170039.3542373B6C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060208170039.3542373B6C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060208173722.GB5862@majen.net> > From: Julian Yap > Subject: [K12OSN] Smb-ldap admin interface and hardware recommendations > > I then tried out installing smb-ldap on Debian Linux (sarge) using > OpenLDAP and Samba. To start of with, I only found 1 site which > actually had instructions for installing OpenLDAP on Debian. After 2 > days of trying to get it to work, I gave up. There's more I could say > but I won't. Hi Julian, Did you try the Smbldap Installer from http://majen.net/smbldap/? It has Ubuntu support, but I've never tested it on Debian. It should make the installation process quite easy, and if it doesn't already work for Debian it should be pretty easy to get it to. It sounds like you've settled on CentOS, but if you try Debian again for any reason and you try the Smbldap Installer, please let me know how it goes. I agree with you that the administration interfaces available for OpenLDAP are not mature, and it's my personal hope that Samba4 is going to fill this gap soon by providing an integrated Samba/LDAP solution with [more] robust and mature administration tools. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From gumprechtm at msad3.org Wed Feb 8 17:58:18 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:58:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] languages Message-ID: <43EA313A.2010407@msad3.org> I have a chinese student that doesn't speak english. My k12ltsp4.2.1EL in the library only displays boxes in the browser when using an online translator, how do I install other languages? Thanks Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Wed Feb 8 19:21:16 2006 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:21:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Software virtualization...opensource way? Message-ID: <43EA44AC.1010703@frederic.k12.wi.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I run VMware on my LTSP server for legacy apps. I can get about 12 running decently so far. For sound you will want the vmwaredsp package (http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/) and use the vmwareesd or vmwarearts files that it provieds. You will have to edit the files (easy) if you use VMplayer instead of VMware. I recommend using VMplayer on the clients and buying a VMware workstation lic so you can create any images you need. Feel free to email me if you have questions. - -- Justin Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District 1-715-327-4223 paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us "The world is open. Are you?" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFD6kSr1ed72CY2bpoRArqwAKCNfaVTGR/GPz/TJlHtob7uW89wBACglDRO 3nSuxvjDEZXLG0dlg0hCfGM= =vQjx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: paulsenj.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 306 bytes Desc: not available URL: From julian_yap at yahoo.com Wed Feb 8 19:47:44 2006 From: julian_yap at yahoo.com (Julian Yap) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:47:44 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Software virtualization...opensource way? In-Reply-To: <1139414275.7679.55.camel@johnruff.updates4you.com> References: <1139414275.7679.55.camel@johnruff.updates4you.com> Message-ID: <1139428064.8583.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-02-08 at 09:57 -0600, John G Ruff wrote: > Xen, for now, only runs Linux virtual machines (VM). http://xen.sf.net/ I suggest downloading the Xen demo boot CD. It has a CentOS and Debian (as I recall) image on there and gives you a quick feel about how it all works. There are other distributions out there like Xenoppix (host=Knoppix, guest=NetBSD and Plan9) but I haven't tried those yet. For a virtual machine to run, it requires support at the kernel level. Therefore, there is current support for Linux, FreeBSD, Plan 9, NetBSD, etc... Now MS Windows as a guest OS is a different story. How will we ever run a proprietary operating system when we can't patch the kernel? Luckly Intel and AMD are helping out and are heavily backing Xen (as are MANY big name companies*). Be on the look out for announcements of CPUs with Intel? VT-x and AMD Pacifica hardware virtualization support. This will allow you to run unmodified guest such as MS Windows. - Julian * http://www.xensource.com/products/xen/faqs.html Over 20 of the industry?s major vendors, including AMD, Dell, Egenera, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Intel, Mellanox Technologies, Network Appliance, Novell, Red Hat, Sun Microsystems, TopSpin, Unisys and Voltaire. From julian_yap at yahoo.com Wed Feb 8 20:27:20 2006 From: julian_yap at yahoo.com (Julian Yap) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:27:20 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Smb-ldap admin interface and hardware recommendations (Julian Yap) In-Reply-To: <20060208173722.GB5862@majen.net> References: <20060208170039.3542373B6C@hormel.redhat.com> <20060208173722.GB5862@majen.net> Message-ID: <1139430440.8583.54.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-02-08 at 12:37 -0500, Matt Oquist wrote: > > From: Julian Yap > > Subject: [K12OSN] Smb-ldap admin interface and hardware recommendations > > > > I then tried out installing smb-ldap on Debian Linux (sarge) using > > OpenLDAP and Samba. To start of with, I only found 1 site which > > actually had instructions for installing OpenLDAP on Debian. After 2 > > days of trying to get it to work, I gave up. There's more I could say > > but I won't. > > Hi Julian, > > Did you try the Smbldap Installer from http://majen.net/smbldap/? > It has Ubuntu support, but I've never tested it on Debian. It should > make the installation process quite easy, and if it doesn't already > work for Debian it should be pretty easy to get it to. Matt, I didn't try it mainly because I didn't have an understanding of how it smb-ldap worked. LDAP was all new to me and I wasn't confident using and putting in place a solution I wasn't familiar with. I pretty much gave myself a crash course in the RH423 Red Hat Enterprise Directory Services and Authentication course (https://www.redhat.com/training/architect/courses/rh423.html). Revisiting the Smbldap Installer it's a different story and it's an excellent tool. Personally, I would still install and configure things manually. > It sounds like you've settled on CentOS, but if you try Debian again > for any reason and you try the Smbldap Installer, please let me know > how it goes. Yeah, I'm pretty much settled on CentOS at this point. If I have the time, I'll try your script on Debian... But then the recollection of headaches and frustration might settle in. :P Debian tries to be a 'pure' Linux. For example, instead of doing an install of a package called 'openldap', you're installing a package called 'slapd'. Debian also tries to 'purify' all packages. Here's an example I ran into. To add the Samba schema file to OpenLDAP in Debian: Run: cp /usr/share/doc/samba-doc/examples/examples/LDAP/samba.schema.gz /etc/ldap/schema/ cd /etc/ldap/schema/ gunzip samba.schema.gz chown slapd.slapd samba.schema chmod 440 samba.schema Add to /etc/ldap/slapd.conf: include /etc/ldap/schema/samba.schema To do the same thing under Redhat/CentOS: cp /usr/share/doc/samba-3.0.10/LDAP/samba.schema /etc/openldap/schema/ Add to /etc/openldap/slapd.conf include /etc/openldap/schema/samba.schema So then you've got to also ask yourself, who at Debian decided that OpenLDAP was king and put their configuration files in /etc/ldap and not /etc/openldap? It's just frustrations like that. > I agree with you that the administration interfaces available for > OpenLDAP are not mature, and it's my personal hope that Samba4 is > going to fill this gap soon by providing an integrated Samba/LDAP > solution with [more] robust and mature administration tools. I agree, Samba4 will be great. But I doubt they'd provide web/GUI admin tools or make it a priority when it does come out. Is there a Samba4 roadmap or timeline? I couldn't find one. - Julian From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 22:00:37 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:00:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice 2.0 (aka 1.9) and 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: References: <1123851570.17465.383.camel@phoenix.hhp> Message-ID: <9bd317560602081400t299c9997qaec2e5e59869ac93@mail.gmail.com> >I vaguely recall that when OOo 2.0 is released you won't need an RPM. > You will be able to use the OOo installer on any distro. Similar to > the way it is now but without the fiddling with user home accounts. >I think you will be able to run both 1.x and 2.0 side by side. Hmmm....I tried installing their rpms but openoffice.org-2.0 won't start. It just hangs. I don't get any feedback from running it from the command line or with -v. I'd love to be able to use this so we can use the new oo-Impress but still have tried-and-trueness of our oo-1.1.2. Any ideas about this? We're running 4.2el on Centos x86_64. They say in their readme that it's possible to run 2 along side 1.x. Their generic installaion instructions say to use -Uivh but opted to leave out the U. Thanks, Peter On 8/12/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 8/12/05, Henry Burroughs wrote: > > Has anyone found RPM packages for OpenOffice 2 that run on CentOS 4.1 (aka > > 4.2.1EL)? I'd like to go w/ CentOS for my TS as much as possible. Thanks! > > I'm also using 4.2.1EL > > I vaguely recall that when OOo 2.0 is released you won't need an RPM. > You will be able to use the OOo installer on any distro. Similar to > the way it is now but without the fiddling with user home accounts. I > think you will be able to run both 1.x and 2.0 side by side. I'm > waiting for the official 2.0 release. In any case, I'm sure when the > official 2.0 is released there will be rpm's available somewhere. > > Don't forget to tell anyone who says OOo is not the standard like M$ > Office that actually it's the other way around. OOo 2.0 IS conforming > to the International Open Doc Format (adopted by the EU). > > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed Feb 8 22:54:19 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 11:54:19 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Getting sound going with videos-Changing volume? In-Reply-To: References: <43E318AF.5010407@orcon.net.nz> <9B8CC380-3149-4DCC-AAEE-F40DBFE6B9C4@inlandlakes.org> <43E7F629.3030901@orcon.net.nz> <43E87480.3050606@inlandlakes.org> <43E95B3F.2020200@orcon.net.nz> <43E95E06.4070106@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <43EA769B.9040404@orcon.net.nz> Visit this site. http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mplayer-fedora.html#intro To use the gui type gmplayer from commandline. Then to use the volume controls etc. Right click and choose skin browser. Select any and the controls will come up. If the volume is still to quiet you can use the eq to bump up the volume more. Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Could you share your building information, cause we're hitting the > same problems. :-) > > Kevin > > On 8-feb-06, at 03:57, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > >> No worries. I worked it out. >> There is a guide for linking the fonts in the Fedora Mplayer guide. >> When using the gui there is a volume control that works. And even an >> eq. Cool. >> Now we just have to work out how to adjust the volume in programs >> like Tuxmath that have no volume control. >> >> Krsnendu Dasa wrote: >> >>> I bit the bullet and installed from source. Pretty easy actually. >>> The only problem is an error message saying: >>> < >>> New_Face failed. Maybe the font path is wrong. 2 ??% ??% ??,?% 0 0 >>> >>> Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf). >>> subtitle font: load_sub_face failed. >>> >>>> >>> >>> What's that about? How can I fix it? >>> >>> Ailso s there anyway to change the volume thru the software? I have >>> got headphones with volume controls, but sometimes I like to use >>> the built in speaker and it would be good be able to adjust the >>> volume. This is true for all applications. >>> Shawn Powers wrote: >>> >>>> Krsnendu Dasa wrote: >>>> >>>>> In the gui, if I go to sound config there is no esd driver (only >>>>> oss, alsa, mpg etc.) should there be? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ahh, wherever you got mplayer from, it wasn't compiled with esd >>>> support. Bummer. You'll either have to recompile it yourself >>>> (not as hard as it sounds), or find a source with more audio >>>> support built in. >>>> >>>> Sorry. :( >>>> >>>> -Shawn >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 23:42:22 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:42:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice 2.0 (aka 1.9) and 4.2.1EL In-Reply-To: <9bd317560602081400t299c9997qaec2e5e59869ac93@mail.gmail.com> References: <1123851570.17465.383.camel@phoenix.hhp> <9bd317560602081400t299c9997qaec2e5e59869ac93@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560602081542h563fbf59l3166ba74cf2f4ab@mail.gmail.com> As an update to my own post: I can see that it's stuck on javaldx. When I kill the javaldx process the liscence agreement pops up and the program starts. If I try again it still gets stuck but after i kill javaldx the program starts. Is there a way to fix this? I can't seem to find the source for oo2.0.1 so patching is out i think. Thanks! Peter On 2/8/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > >I vaguely recall that when OOo 2.0 is released you won't need an RPM. > > You will be able to use the OOo installer on any distro. Similar to > > the way it is now but without the fiddling with user home accounts. > >I think you will be able to run both 1.x and 2.0 side by side. > > > Hmmm....I tried installing their rpms but openoffice.org-2.0 won't > start. It just hangs. I don't get any feedback from running it from > the command line or with -v. I'd love to be able to use this so we > can use the new oo-Impress but still have tried-and-trueness of our > oo-1.1.2. Any ideas about this? We're running 4.2el on Centos > x86_64. They say in their readme that it's possible to run 2 along > side 1.x. Their generic installaion instructions say to use -Uivh but > opted to leave out the U. > > > > Thanks, > Peter > > > > On 8/12/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > On 8/12/05, Henry Burroughs wrote: > > > Has anyone found RPM packages for OpenOffice 2 that run on CentOS 4.1 (aka > > > 4.2.1EL)? I'd like to go w/ CentOS for my TS as much as possible. Thanks! > > > > I'm also using 4.2.1EL > > > > I vaguely recall that when OOo 2.0 is released you won't need an RPM. > > You will be able to use the OOo installer on any distro. Similar to > > the way it is now but without the fiddling with user home accounts. I > > think you will be able to run both 1.x and 2.0 side by side. I'm > > waiting for the official 2.0 release. In any case, I'm sure when the > > official 2.0 is released there will be rpm's available somewhere. > > > > Don't forget to tell anyone who says OOo is not the standard like M$ > > Office that actually it's the other way around. OOo 2.0 IS conforming > > to the International Open Doc Format (adopted by the EU). > > > > > > > > -- > > Robert Arkiletian > > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Feb 9 00:38:38 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:38:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting Open Office 2.0 to save as a Doc by default. In-Reply-To: References: <1134172110.19482.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <439A1B58.9020103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1134174591.9157.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9bd317560602081638o33300e4bp8cfdf154fb883f0f@mail.gmail.com> Hey Eric, These patches didn't work for me. I have the rpms from the oo site which install to /opt. I changed the patches and script to relect that but it's still not working. Were on Centos 4.2 x86_64. Any ideas? Thank you! Peter On 12/10/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Fri, 9 Dec 2005, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > > Eric, > > > > Then to update me on OOo2.0 how would you set it to default if you > > didn't have your script? There is still an openoffice.conf and the line > > I listed in my last post. But if that doesn't work then what do you > > configure so that it will (a .conf file please, not via GUI or OOo2.0 > > interface since I already know how to do that). Thanks. > > > > -Paul > > Ah, I assume you are using Debian or Ubuntu? Questions about different > distributions are quite welcome here, but please do indicate whenever > you are using a distribution other than K12LTSP. Since this is the > support forum for K12LTSP, there is a tendancy to assume K12LTSP > unless otherwise stated. > > I booted my laptop up into Ubuntu and it does in deed have a > /etc/openoffice/openoffice.conf file that contains a OOO_MS_DEFAULT=1 > setting. It didn't work for me, however. > > > Attached are the patches and script that I use to change these > defaults on K12LTSP. I verified that they work on my Ubuntu laptop. > > Save all four files in the same directory, then run: > > sh ./openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Feb 9 02:04:30 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:04:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting Open Office 2.0 to save as a Doc by default. In-Reply-To: <9bd317560602081638o33300e4bp8cfdf154fb883f0f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1134172110.19482.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <439A1B58.9020103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1134174591.9157.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9bd317560602081638o33300e4bp8cfdf154fb883f0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560602081804u3b92e851t1e6389139bba5aff@mail.gmail.com> Hey Eric, i just patched the files manually and am good with the ms-formats. I can't see why the script wouldn't work unfortunately. I'd really like to avoid the registration/licence agreement wizard. Is there anything I can do about that? Also, I renamed javaldx to avoid the freezing. I don't think that's a good long term solution though. If a user gets into the options>java settings it will freeze then too. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Peter On 2/8/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey Eric, > These patches didn't work for me. I have the rpms from the oo site > which install to /opt. I changed the patches and script to relect > that but it's still not working. Were on Centos 4.2 x86_64. Any > ideas? > > > Thank you! > > Peter > > On 12/10/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > On Fri, 9 Dec 2005, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > > > > Eric, > > > > > > Then to update me on OOo2.0 how would you set it to default if you > > > didn't have your script? There is still an openoffice.conf and the line > > > I listed in my last post. But if that doesn't work then what do you > > > configure so that it will (a .conf file please, not via GUI or OOo2.0 > > > interface since I already know how to do that). Thanks. > > > > > > -Paul > > > > Ah, I assume you are using Debian or Ubuntu? Questions about different > > distributions are quite welcome here, but please do indicate whenever > > you are using a distribution other than K12LTSP. Since this is the > > support forum for K12LTSP, there is a tendancy to assume K12LTSP > > unless otherwise stated. > > > > I booted my laptop up into Ubuntu and it does in deed have a > > /etc/openoffice/openoffice.conf file that contains a OOO_MS_DEFAULT=1 > > setting. It didn't work for me, however. > > > > > > Attached are the patches and script that I use to change these > > defaults on K12LTSP. I verified that they work on my Ubuntu laptop. > > > > Save all four files in the same directory, then run: > > > > sh ./openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh > > > > -Eric > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Thu Feb 9 02:25:21 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:25:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] No sound with 4.4.1 Message-ID: <60933.70.96.75.10.1139451921.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Hello Barbara, On your 4.4.1 installation, you did uncomment the sound line in the lts.conf /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file,[SOUND = Y]? Also the next line down from there did you comment the default sound module[nasd] and >uncomment< the esd entry? I could only get mine to work with the esd sound module. Let me know if you are still having probs.. Take Care, Barry Cisna From wescott at sc.rr.com Thu Feb 9 02:47:05 2006 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:47:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Software virtualization...opensource way? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1139453225.10424.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-02-08 at 10:23 -0500, David Trask wrote: > Ok....aside from the licensing of the OS or apps....(that part I > understand) > > I'm reading a lot about software virtualization....In other words allowing > one server to run multiple OS's or perhaps allowing one networked > workstation or terminal to access multiple apps written for other > platforms. First, the disclaimer: I work for EMC Corp (which owns VMWare). I don't work in the VMWare part of the company but my group uses VMWare quite a bit and we have some familiarity with the product. I think the best way to describe VMWare, and virtualization in general, is to describe the problems it solves. One of the problems is that encountered by those of us that prefer Linux or Unix workstations over Windoze. Every now and then we just have to use WinXP. Usually it's to read some document that openoffice barfs on or use some corporate mandated application that only runs on a Microsoft product. The traditional solution has been to set up the workstation with both OS's and dual boot. When you really need Windows, save the document on a FAT partiton that both OS's can access, shut down Linux, and bring up Windows. Reverse the process to get back to Linux. It's cumbersome and time consuming, but it works. The more expensive solution to to have 2 computers and a KVM switch. The virtualization solution recognizes that if you can fake out an OS into thinking it's talking to real hardware, you can run that OS as just another program. That's a bit over simplified but not too far off the mark. My laptop runs Linux (Debian), but for the reasons outlined above I need to run WinXP at times. Right after I boot up Linux in the morning, I start up a VMWare program and boot up XP in a virtual machine supported by VMWare. Now I've got Linux for most work and WinXP when I need it. And I switch back and forth at the click of a mouse. I can also create additional virtual machines and install Fedora or any other OS that runs on x86 hardware. Virualization provides the environment in which each "guest OS" thinks that it's running on it own set of x86 hardware. What you don't get is emulation of a different processor. I can't run Solaris SPARC on a VMWare virtual machine. That's because the virtual machines still use the real hardware for execution of code. Emulation of the instructions of a different processor would just be too expensive computationally, to be worth while. The other problem solved by virtualization might be called the proliferation of servers. At one time, especially in shops enamored of Windows, a new application meant buying a new computer, installing some flavor of Windows and whatever application you wanted. Each app ran in it's own machine in spite of the fact that most of these machines were often running at very low utilizations. The problem got worse when even the cheapest machines got fast. Clearly the answer is to combine these apps and services on one machine and on one OS. The trouble is that there are often good reasons to have them on separate machines. Oft times one app won't work on the same machine as another. There may also be control issues (payroll on its own machine, for example). The vitualization solution for this problem is to provide separate machines, virtual ones, all running on one set of hardware. You get economies of scale with one large machine without losing the separation that's often desireable. Once a machine has been virtualized in this way, there are some other advantages. You can set up a virtual machine's disk in such a way the writes to the disk aren't permanent. At any time you can choose to commit the changes or to rollback. Handy for testing the effect of the latest Service Pack on a critical application. So how would this work in a K12LTSP setup? Splitting a K12LTSP server into several virtual ones doesn't seem to gain much unless there are issues of control or of interference. I can envision one large real machine running 5 or 6 virtual machines: say 2 LTSP servers, one for K through 4th grade with older kids on the other. Another virtual machine could run Squidguard and perhaps the DHCP server. And another, a Windows LDAP server. And another, some Windows legacy application. I hope you get the idea. Anything that might logically go on a separate real machine, could very well go on a separate virtual machine. At least until the real hardware starts to bog down. At the other end of the scale there might be a reason that a teacher, say, might need to run Windows natively and still need to have an LTSP terminal available on the same hardware. Although, rather than booting a diskless virtual machine one could just as easily run one of the Xservers that will run on Windows. One last advantage of virtualization: machines are easy to create and to destroy. Virtual hardware doesn't need to be ordered, justified, paid for, or plugged in. Just allocate the disk space, turn it on (virtually, of course) and boot it off an iso image to start your install. Throwing one away is even easier, a couple of clicks and an entire virtual machine turns into electron dust. From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Feb 9 04:22:59 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:22:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 2 Questions- No volume control and TV card... Message-ID: I've just purchased 22 HPt5515 clients for a great price of $125 each and they are new!! WooHoo. Sooo I plugged it into my home network and with a little help form cliebow got it up pretty fast. I'm listening to cbc.ca live radio right now but can't seem to adjust the volume from the client. When I choose the volume control from the gnome applications taskbar/sound & video I just get an error on the screen: No volume control elements and/or devices found. Is there a way to get a volume control?? I also have a TV card in this K12LTSP 4.4.2 server and wonder if anyone knows how to watch it from a client?? Thanks,, jim From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Feb 9 10:30:18 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:30:18 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Smb-ldap admin interface and hardware recommendations In-Reply-To: <1139391303.1953.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1139391303.1953.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43EB19BA.5000103@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> I use a mixture of LAM & JXplorer, JXplorer is really good for just simple tweaks. Brian Julian Yap wrote: > Hi all, > > Just a quick update on my smb-ldap testing. > > I managed to get Samba working with Fedora Directory Server as the > backend according to the instructions that were on their wiki. It was a > relatively simple exercise and I was satisfied that it worked in > practice. > > I then tried out installing smb-ldap on Debian Linux (sarge) using > OpenLDAP and Samba. To start of with, I only found 1 site which > actually had instructions for installing OpenLDAP on Debian. After 2 > days of trying to get it to work, I gave up. There's more I could say > but I won't. > > By now I felt I had a better understanding of Samba and LDAP so I > installed it on CentOS and it's working fine for me. > > I'm up to the part now where I'm evaluating web-based admin interfaces. > Right now I'm using smbldap-tools which is fine for the command-line but > not practical for the long run and for administration to be done by > others. > > I tried out IDEALX Management concole with samba-console today but ran > into errors and annoyances like: > - Login session timeouts requiring a browser restart. > - IDEALX supplies a SSL certificate that has expired. > - Display of certain screens is messed up. eg. User screen. > - Errors for some parts and the login button at the top right doesn't > work. > > Basically, it's not a mature solution. > > What are the other solutions people have used? I'm looking into testing > out LDAP Account Manager (http://lam.sourceforge.net/) shortly. > > My second question to the list was about hardware and recommendations. > We're about to buy the hardware for out smb-ldap solution. This would > be for ~330 students and I'm not sure how many teachers. > > I just wanted to quickly ask what were the hardware specs on your main > PDC? Would you recommend more RAM? Would you recommend a 15000rpm SCSI > drives as opposed to a pair of cheaper serial Hard disk drives with > software raid? > > We were thinking of an Athlon 64, 2GB RAM, 36.7GB 15k RPM SCSI. We > would initially also use this to store the home folders and profiles. As > our needs grow, would add more file servers. > > Thanks, > Julian > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jasonq at cosmicegg.net Thu Feb 9 11:17:28 2006 From: jasonq at cosmicegg.net (Jason Qualkenbush) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 06:17:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Software virtualization...opensource way? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43EB24C8.2030605@cosmicegg.net> David Trask wrote: > I'm curious to know what others may have done, experienced, or are working > on. Depending on what you need it for, this list might prove useful (not all are virtualization) (Grabbed from http://www.cromwell-intl.com/unix/cluster.html) * Xen -- http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/ Runs patched versions of Linux, BSD, maybe soon Solaris Included in, eg, Fedora C4, Debian, SuSE Pro 9.3, RHEL5 * QEMU -- http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ * Bochs http://bochs.sourceforge.net/ * Plex86 http://plex86.sourceforge.net/ * User-mode Linux http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/ * WINE http://www.winehq.org/ For what you are talking about, vmware is pretty much your best option. I have played a lot with "usermode linux" which can run multiple -linux- instances. http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/ This won't let you run windows on top of a linux box, but it does run different distro's on the same system. I had Gentoo as the base system and ran instances of Redhat, Debian, and Slackware, all as virtual systems. I used this more as a virtual development server, where users can go to a webpage, request a dev server (which launches a server of their choice), and then log in to do what they needed. The most common use of this I found was for running services. Instead of a chroot environment, you can run a virtual server for things like DNS. You can also cluster the virtual servers so if one should fail due to software problems, it would fail to the other, and reboot itself (just restart the virtual instance). If you have a windows box, and want to run linux on it, then try: http://www.colinux.org/ Something I've been meaning to look more into is taking virtualization the other way. I forgot what the project was called, but it looked great. One way to look at virtualization is to run multiple instances of an operating system on a single machine. On the other end is to run a single operating system across multiple machines. So, if you have six servers. You can take the processors from four of them, and build a virtual quad proc box. Need more memory, just include the memory from the two remaining systems. Same thing with the disks. I wish I could remember what this was called. I think it had something to do with NUMA at least. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Uniform_Memory_Access -Jason From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Feb 9 12:43:55 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 06:43:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 2 Questions- No volume control and TV card... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <685E9B30-097C-4673-9FF8-3CD42FD1291F@mindfirestudios.com> You need to let the gnome application applet know that you are using ESD or NASD. On Feb 8, 2006, at 10:22 PM, Jim Christiansen wrote: > I've just purchased 22 HPt5515 clients for a great price of $125 > each and they are new!! WooHoo. > > Sooo I plugged it into my home network and with a little help form > cliebow got it up pretty fast. I'm listening to cbc.ca live radio > right now but can't seem to adjust the volume from the client. > When I choose the volume control from the gnome applications > taskbar/sound & video I just get an error on the screen: No volume > control elements and/or devices found. > > Is there a way to get a volume control?? > > I also have a TV card in this K12LTSP 4.4.2 server and wonder if > anyone knows how to watch it from a client?? > > Thanks,, jim > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Thu Feb 9 17:42:23 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:42:23 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] 2 Questions- No volume control and TV card... In-Reply-To: <685E9B30-097C-4673-9FF8-3CD42FD1291F@mindfirestudios.com> References: <685E9B30-097C-4673-9FF8-3CD42FD1291F@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <43EB7EFF.80105@orcon.net.nz> How do you do that? Can ESD send volume info to the client? It would be good if there was a volume control interface that came on the screen to control volume on the client, but I haven't seen it. Is there such a thing? Burke Almquist wrote: > You need to let the gnome application applet know that you are using > ESD or NASD. > > On Feb 8, 2006, at 10:22 PM, Jim Christiansen wrote: > >> I've just purchased 22 HPt5515 clients for a great price of $125 >> each and they are new!! WooHoo. >> >> Sooo I plugged it into my home network and with a little help form >> cliebow got it up pretty fast. I'm listening to cbc.ca live radio >> right now but can't seem to adjust the volume from the client. When >> I choose the volume control from the gnome applications >> taskbar/sound & video I just get an error on the screen: No volume >> control elements and/or devices found. >> >> Is there a way to get a volume control?? >> >> I also have a TV card in this K12LTSP 4.4.2 server and wonder if >> anyone knows how to watch it from a client?? >> >> Thanks,, jim >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Thu Feb 9 18:41:21 2006 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:41:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Smb-ldap admin interface and hardware recommendations (Julian Yap) In-Reply-To: <20060208173722.GB5862@majen.net> References: <20060208170039.3542373B6C@hormel.redhat.com> <20060208173722.GB5862@majen.net> Message-ID: <1139510481.22417.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-02-08 at 12:37 -0500, Matt Oquist wrote: > I agree with you that the administration interfaces available for > OpenLDAP are not mature, and it's my personal hope that Samba4 is > going to fill this gap soon by providing an integrated Samba/LDAP > solution with [more] robust and mature administration tools. Seeing this reminded me that I have been meaning to post a script I wrote for user management in my complex-ish SMB-LDAP environment. It's fairly complete, including the ability to add, remove, disable, or enable users singly or in batches. It dynamically creates unique useranmes based on their real names and graduation year. My environment also has multiple servers for home servers, so it supports moving home directories around and whatnot. It requires the idealx smbldap tools and perl for one little bit. Everything else it depends on (awk, pwgen, grep, etc...) should be pretty standard on most systems. I'm sure bugs abound as it has just sort of grown organically as the need for more features has come up, but hopefully someone will find it useful or inspirational. It can't be used by anyone else without some modification however. Also, I'm always looking for ways to improve it, I'm sure there are many, so feedback would be greatly appreciated if you have the time and inclination to look at it. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, OR -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd like to remove the dependency of the IDEALX scripts from my setup since they don't seem to both be stagnated and overly complex for my needs. -- -Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, OR From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Feb 9 18:55:40 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:55:40 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Smb-ldap admin interface and hardware recommendations In-Reply-To: <1139391303.1953.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1139391303.1953.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43EB902C.6000201@mesd.k12.or.us> Julian Yap wrote: > I'm up to the part now where I'm evaluating web-based admin interfaces. > Right now I'm using smbldap-tools which is fine for the command-line but > not practical for the long run and for administration to be done by > others. phpLDAPadmin might be worth a look: http://phpldapadmin.sf.net/ -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Feb 9 19:48:13 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:48:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Smb-ldap admin interface and hardware recommendations In-Reply-To: <1139511047.22417.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1139391303.1953.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> <60963.70.33.151.214.1139402058.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <1139511047.22417.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <59206.169.244.70.148.1139514493.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> I'd be happy to send the bash scripts to you..but maybe via private email as chances are ive left admin pws in there somewhere during testing..chuck cliebow at ltsp.org From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Thu Feb 9 20:28:43 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:28:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] tuxtype2 drops on macs Message-ID: <51489.172.28.8.55.1139516923.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello List, Now that Im delving into Mac thin clients on our network, Ive found that tuxtype2 does not open.It momentarily pops open then closes. When i start tuxtype from the command line im seeing that it closes do to the fact it does not find a soundcard? I know Tux math has a config GUI that you can disable sound in the program parameters. Does anyone know how to handcode tuxtype to disable the sound stuff,in its config file? All other programs are appearing to open nicely. This would be nice to get this working for k-5 kids in oder to "pitch/promote" K12LTSP here . K12LTSP v 4.1.1 Ideas/comments? Thank You, Barry Cisna From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Feb 9 22:20:00 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:20:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OOO 2 and Centos In-Reply-To: <434ADAD2.5030601@stmarys-school.org> References: <434ADAD2.5030601@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <9bd317560602091420p4ec9f65awdc0ba532d6ea8408@mail.gmail.com> > You will have to tweek it a little to get the defaults to save in MS > format and bypass the the registration routine for each user. Hey John, Would you mind sharing how you tweaked oo to avoid the 'registration routine'? That would be fantastic! Thanks! Peter On 10/10/05, John Baillie wrote: > Kevin, > > We are using K12LTSP-EL. > > We downloaded the rpms from openoffice.org. > http://download.openoffice.org/2.0.0rc/index.html > The download is a tar.gz file but it contains the rpms. > > You will have to tweek it a little to get the defaults to save in MS > format and bypass the the registration routine for each user. > > John > > > > Kevin Verheyen wrote: > > Hello, > > > > does anyone knows where to find a RC build for OOO on the K12LTSP-EL > > version? > > so for centos 4? > > > > Kevin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Feb 9 23:35:44 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:35:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 2 Questions- No volume control and TV card... Message-ID: Yes, good question... I've been poking around on the server and google but can't figure it out yet. If I could just find how to control the volume this little box would be in my kitchen :-) ---------------------------------- How do you do that? Can ESD send volume info to the client? It would be good if there was a volume control interface that came on the screen to control volume on the client, but I haven't seen it. Is there such a thing? Burke Almquist wrote: You need to let the gnome application applet know that you are using ESD or NASD. On Feb 8, 2006, at 10:22 PM, Jim Christiansen wrote: ------ I've just purchased 22 HPt5515 clients for a great price of $125 each and they are new!! WooHoo. Sooo I plugged it into my home network and with a little help form cliebow got it up pretty fast. I'm listening to cbc.ca live radio right now but can't seem to adjust the volume from the client. When I choose the volume control from the gnome applications taskbar/sound & video I just get an error on the screen: No volume control elements and/or devices found. Is there a way to get a volume control?? I also have a TV card in this K12LTSP 4.4.2 server and wonder if anyone knows how to watch it from a client?? Thanks,, jim From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Feb 10 01:24:16 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:24:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 2 Questions- No volume control and TV card... In-Reply-To: <43EB7EFF.80105@orcon.net.nz> References: <685E9B30-097C-4673-9FF8-3CD42FD1291F@mindfirestudios.com> <43EB7EFF.80105@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <58934F04-A443-4C87-B9FA-9552204E3359@mindfirestudios.com> Remember since you are using LTSP that when you are in X you are looking a display of the server. The X server running on the client is sending video and keyboard input to the server and the server sends the display to your client. So the sound, disks, etc that you see in LTSP are the ones on the server by default. I don't remember if the default gnome volume control will let you use ESD as the source instead of the hardware (ALSA/OSS). If it does, then you'd have to change that setting in the pref, or maybe even in gconf, I'm not sure. Also, you also need to be running a sound server, just like you need to have file shares enables on the client in order to use local devices/disks. On Feb 9, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > How do you do that? Can ESD send volume info to the client? It > would be good if there was a volume control interface that came on > the screen to control volume on the client, but I haven't seen it. > Is there such a thing? > > Burke Almquist wrote: > >> You need to let the gnome application applet know that you are >> using ESD or NASD. >> From stekha at mweb.co.zw Fri Feb 10 12:56:26 2006 From: stekha at mweb.co.zw (Steve and Khanya) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:56:26 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Connecting to a Microsoft Access DB in Open Office Message-ID: <43EC8D7A.7070209@mweb.co.zw> I am about to set up a k12osn network in our school library, but am worried about access to library records currently in an Access DB. Connecting to ODBC seems to be a little problammatic. How do I know what to install to get the drivers functional. Perhaps there is another program I can use to translate the DB into a more linux friendly environment? Any Suggestions welcomed! Steve Henderson director at gctech.co.zw From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Fri Feb 10 13:09:15 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:09:15 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] tuxtype2 crashing on mac clients Message-ID: <33164.216.24.126.68.1139576955.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Hello List, Wondering if anyone can decypher the output when starting tuxtype with debug option. Tuxtype2 tries to open then flickers,and crashes. This runs fine on pc's,but not mac clients. K12ltsp v 4.1.1 terminal output: [root at el1 bin]# tuxtype2 --debug tuxtype2, version 1.5.3 BEGIN LibInit(): -About to init SDL Library -SDL Library init'd successfully -about to init SDL_ttf LibInit():END GraphicsInit - Initialize graphic system -SDL Setting VidMode to 640x480x16 X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) Major opcode of failed request: 134 (XFree86-VidModeExtension) Minor opcode of failed request: 10 (XF86VidModeSwitchToMode) Value in failed request: 0x38 Serial number of failed request: 92 Current serial number in output stream: 94 Would anyone know of a resolve for the above? Thank You, Barry CIsna From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 10 14:24:20 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:24:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Connecting to a Microsoft Access DB in Open Office In-Reply-To: <43EC8D7A.7070209@mweb.co.zw> References: <43EC8D7A.7070209@mweb.co.zw> Message-ID: <20060210142207.M68805@winonacotter.org> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:56:26 +0200, Steve and Khanya wrote > I am about to set up a k12osn network in our school library, but am > worried about access to library records currently in an Access DB. > Connecting to ODBC seems to be a little problammatic. How do I know > what to install to get the drivers functional. Perhaps there is > another program I can use to translate the DB into a more linux > friendly environment? I would love to see the answer to this one. I too have a couple of MS Access DB's that I would like to simply convert into and Open Source database. They have many tables, relationships, queries, reports, etc. I can export data and rebuild anything else, but a simpler way would be very cool. I have tried to open them in OpenOffice since it seemed to have a feature to open Access, but no luck. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 10 14:44:17 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:44:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Connecting to a Microsoft Access DB in Open Office In-Reply-To: <20060210142207.M68805@winonacotter.org> References: <43EC8D7A.7070209@mweb.co.zw> <20060210142207.M68805@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1139582656.18459.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 08:24, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:56:26 +0200, Steve and Khanya wrote > > I am about to set up a k12osn network in our school library, but am > > worried about access to library records currently in an Access DB. > > Connecting to ODBC seems to be a little problammatic. How do I know > > what to install to get the drivers functional. Perhaps there is > > another program I can use to translate the DB into a more linux > > friendly environment? > > I would love to see the answer to this one. I too have a couple of MS Access > DB's that I would like to simply convert into and Open Source database. They > have many tables, relationships, queries, reports, etc. I can export data and > rebuild anything else, but a simpler way would be very cool. I have tried to > open them in OpenOffice since it seemed to have a feature to open Access, but > no luck. There are some tools to access the mdb format database at: http://mdbtools.sourceforge.net/ But, if you can still run access you might be better off hooking it to postgresql via the MS ODBC driver and migrating the tables to sql. Then you could continue to use access even after adding other ways to connect to the sql tables. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Fri Feb 10 15:10:15 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:10:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] how to create etherboot CD Message-ID: <43ECACD7.2010902@maltzen.net> I've got a Micron desktop client that when I try to boot it with a Universal Boot Floppy starts to load the ROM image but then the screen goes grey with a few blinking characters in the center of the screen and it just stalls there. So, I thought I'd try to get it to boot via a CD. I followed the instructions at http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/ltsp/Etherboot-On-CDR-HOWTO.txt, but when I test it on a Dell OptiPlex that IS able to boot from the Universal Boot Floppy, it starts to load the ROM image, but then its screen goes grey, the black and nothing else happens. Has anyone managed to translate the Universal Boot Floppy onto a CD? Petre From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Feb 10 16:54:54 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:54:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Geting things installed Message-ID: <6b7f626ba0ea.6ba0ea6b7f62@texas.rr.com> I am trying to install some of the additional things from the CDs into my server. When I open the add/remove packages program and click on the things I need or want I get the following message about files needed for other things that are already installed and working just fine. Libjc (gcc-objc?,?4.0.1?, fc4?) Libsddc++.so.6 (GLIBCXX_3.4.6)(?gtkmathview?,?1.2.1?,?1.fc4?) Libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.6) (?abiword?,2.4.2?,?1.fc4?) I have located the libstdc++.so.6 file in the /usr/lib/ folder. The libjc file is not in my server and I haven?t been able to locate an rpm or tar of this file on the Internet. I want to install the Fl_TeacherTool and these missing files are stopping me from doing that. Thanks for the help Pat From robark at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 17:56:24 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:56:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Geting things installed In-Reply-To: <6b7f626ba0ea.6ba0ea6b7f62@texas.rr.com> References: <6b7f626ba0ea.6ba0ea6b7f62@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: On 2/10/06, jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > I want to install the Fl_TeacherTool and these missing files are > stopping me from doing that. Not sure about other programs but TT should be as easy as #yum install fl_teachertool if yum doesn't work, see my site http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Feb 10 18:23:43 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:23:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] how to create etherboot CD In-Reply-To: <43ECACD7.2010902@maltzen.net> References: <43ECACD7.2010902@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > I've got a Micron desktop client that when I try to boot it with a Universal > Boot Floppy starts to load the ROM image but then the screen goes grey with a > few blinking characters in the center of the screen and it just stalls there. > > So, I thought I'd try to get it to boot via a CD. I followed the instructions > at http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/ltsp/Etherboot-On-CDR-HOWTO.txt, but > when I test it on a Dell OptiPlex that IS able to boot from the Universal Boot > Floppy, it starts to load the ROM image, but then its screen goes grey, the > black and nothing else happens. > > Has anyone managed to translate the Universal Boot Floppy onto a CD? > > Petre I hacked someone else's CD image, don't remember the exact details (it is in the archives...). Give this a spin: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/eb_pci.iso -Eric From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Feb 10 18:57:46 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:57:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Geting things installed Message-ID: <6bb4326c0b01.6c0b016bb432@texas.rr.com> I got it installed but when I run it if I pass the mouse pointer over any of the buttons without pressing any of them the program quits. Any Ideas on how to solve this? Thanks Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Arkiletian Date: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:56 am Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Geting things installed > On 2/10/06, jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > I want to install the Fl_TeacherTool and these missing files are > > stopping me from doing that. > > Not sure about other programs but TT should be as easy as > > #yum install fl_teachertool > > if yum doesn't work, see my site > http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Feb 10 19:26:55 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:26:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] how to create etherboot CD In-Reply-To: References: <43ECACD7.2010902@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43ECE8FF.8050309@maltzen.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > >> I've got a Micron desktop client that when I try to boot it with a >> Universal Boot Floppy starts to load the ROM image but then the screen >> goes grey with a few blinking characters in the center of the screen >> and it just stalls there. >> >> So, I thought I'd try to get it to boot via a CD. I followed the >> instructions at >> http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/ltsp/Etherboot-On-CDR-HOWTO.txt, >> but when I test it on a Dell OptiPlex that IS able to boot from the >> Universal Boot Floppy, it starts to load the ROM image, but then its >> screen goes grey, the black and nothing else happens. >> >> Has anyone managed to translate the Universal Boot Floppy onto a CD? >> >> Petre > > I hacked someone else's CD image, don't remember the exact details (it > is in the archives...). > > Give this a spin: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/eb_pci.iso > > -Eric Well, that works a bit better than my CDs: FreeDOS seems to load, and I get the screen full of dots (is this the tftp stage?), ending in 'done'. But then the next line says 'Issuing RESET:' and it just hangs there. From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 10 20:15:16 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:15:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] how to create etherboot CD In-Reply-To: <43ECE8FF.8050309@maltzen.net> References: <43ECACD7.2010902@maltzen.net> <43ECE8FF.8050309@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1139602515.31143.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 13:26, Petre Scheie wrote: > > I hacked someone else's CD image, don't remember the exact details (it > > is in the archives...). > > > > Give this a spin: > > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/eb_pci.iso > > > > -Eric > > Well, that works a bit better than my CDs: FreeDOS seems to load, and I get the screen > full of dots (is this the tftp stage?), ending in 'done'. But then the next line says > 'Issuing RESET:' and it just hangs there. That one works for me in an old Capuccino mini-book PC. The dots should be the tftp part and after the 'done' you should get something like mknbi-1.4.0/first32.c (GPP) Top of ramdisk is 0X07EE0000. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 20:16:33 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:16:33 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Geting things installed In-Reply-To: <6bb4326c0b01.6c0b016bb432@texas.rr.com> References: <6bb4326c0b01.6c0b016bb432@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: On 2/10/06, jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > I got it installed but when I run it if I pass the mouse pointer over > any of the buttons without pressing any of them the program quits. Any > Ideas on how to solve this? Wow! Can you tell me the specifics... What version of k12 do you have? Did you use yum to install it or compiled yourself? Any error messages when it fails? Did you previously have TT installed? Did you launch it as root? I'm pretty sure version 0.21 should be relatively stable since many people including myself are using it. So I find this behavior odd. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From petre at maltzen.net Fri Feb 10 20:43:09 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:43:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] how to create etherboot CD In-Reply-To: <1139602515.31143.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <43ECACD7.2010902@maltzen.net> <43ECE8FF.8050309@maltzen.net> <1139602515.31143.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <43ECFADD.8090703@maltzen.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 13:26, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>> I hacked someone else's CD image, don't remember the exact details (it >>> is in the archives...). >>> >>> Give this a spin: >>> >>> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/eb_pci.iso >>> >>> -Eric >> Well, that works a bit better than my CDs: FreeDOS seems to load, and I get the screen >> full of dots (is this the tftp stage?), ending in 'done'. But then the next line says >> 'Issuing RESET:' and it just hangs there. > > That one works for me in an old Capuccino mini-book PC. The dots > should be the tftp part and after the 'done' you should get > something like > mknbi-1.4.0/first32.c (GPP) > Top of ramdisk is 0X07EE0000. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > Perhaps it's just a problem with the Dell Optiplex I tested it on. The machine this is actually for, a Micron (does Micron even make PCs any more?) is at another site, so I'll take the CD there this weekend and try it. Interestingly, I tried the PXES bootable CD in the Dell, choosing XDM at the boot menu, and it works just fine, boots up the login screen from the server in just a few seconds. (BTW Eric, I tried to google for your original messages about the CD but couldn't find any.) From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Feb 10 21:23:04 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:23:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Geting things installed Message-ID: <6c80216c7241.6c72416c8021@texas.rr.com> Okay here goes. Because of the setup in my classroom I am always in root which solves a lot of file problems that the students cause themselves. I am using K12LTSP 4.4.1 I removed the old TeacherTool before I installed the new one. I used yum to install the new version. There are no error message that occur it just closes. I can use the shift+letter method to use the tool. I use nothing but Gnome and have also run into the problem of TT telling me that a student is using an unsupported desktop. Thanks for the help ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Arkiletian Date: Friday, February 10, 2006 1:16 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Geting things installed > On 2/10/06, jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > I got it installed but when I run it if I pass the mouse pointer > over> any of the buttons without pressing any of them the program > quits. Any > > Ideas on how to solve this? > > Wow! Can you tell me the specifics... > What version of k12 do you have? > Did you use yum to install it or compiled yourself? > Any error messages when it fails? > Did you previously have TT installed? > Did you launch it as root? > > I'm pretty sure version 0.21 should be relatively stable since many > people including myself are using it. So I find this behavior odd. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Feb 10 22:36:27 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:36:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] how to create etherboot CD In-Reply-To: <43ECFADD.8090703@maltzen.net> References: <43ECACD7.2010902@maltzen.net> <43ECE8FF.8050309@maltzen.net> <1139602515.31143.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <43ECFADD.8090703@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > > > Les Mikesell wrote: >> On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 13:26, Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>>> I hacked someone else's CD image, don't remember the exact details (it >>>> is in the archives...). >>>> >>>> Give this a spin: >>>> >>>> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/eb_pci.iso >>>> >>>> -Eric >>> Well, that works a bit better than my CDs: FreeDOS seems to load, and I get >>> the screen full of dots (is this the tftp stage?), ending in 'done'. But >>> then the next line says 'Issuing RESET:' and it just hangs there. >> >> That one works for me in an old Capuccino mini-book PC. The dots >> should be the tftp part and after the 'done' you should get >> something like >> mknbi-1.4.0/first32.c (GPP) >> Top of ramdisk is 0X07EE0000. >> >> -- >> Les Mikesell >> les at futuresource.com >> > Perhaps it's just a problem with the Dell Optiplex I tested it on. The > machine this is actually for, a Micron (does Micron even make PCs any more?) > is at another site, so I'll take the CD there this weekend and try it. > Interestingly, I tried the PXES bootable CD in the Dell, choosing XDM at the > boot menu, and it works just fine, boots up the login screen from the server > in just a few seconds. > > (BTW Eric, I tried to google for your original messages about the CD but > couldn't find any.) I thought there was a message detailing the changes I made. Doesn't appear to be the case (and I can't remember much about it, probably just a simple dos batch file edit). Here's the original post, grep didn't turn up anything else in my mailbox. Maybe more in the thread in the list archives.... ------------- Message-ID: <423F2C2A.5050507 at mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:18:50 -0800 From: Eric Harrison User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041127) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Subject: Re: [K12OSN] universal etherboot iso? References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119F56 at goodwill1.goodwill.lan> <1111435379.15579.38.camel at moola.futuresource.com> In-Reply-To: <1111435379.15579.38.camel at moola.futuresource.com> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 12:46, David H. Barr wrote: > > >>>image to start with. What's an eb2hd? The reason I need this is >> >>[snip] >> >> >>>I want to be able to load other things on the HD. >> >>Etherboot to (2) Hard Disk: http://etherboot.anadex.de/ It's what I used >>to set up my 5-station test lab. I downloaded the floppy image, then used >>Nero to burn a bootable CD of it. > > > That worked in terms of k3b accepting it as a boot image and making a > bootable iso. However, it wants to install a copy on the HD and all I > want to do is netboot directly WDXB2500JBRNNfrom the iso. I think the > difference is that the eb2hd floppy image uses freedos/syslinux to boot > where the floppy I want to use is just like an etherboot ROM image with > no separate loader - and k3b (etc) doesn't like it. I guess I need > the etherboot image in a .com file format with a dos framework and > autoexec.bat to load it. I was rather displeased to see that it wanted to repartion/format my harddrive :-( I rebuilt it to just load etherboot off the iso image. This only works for PCI nics, however, no go for old ISA cards. Still it might be useful to someone. I put my hacked version here: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/eb_pci.iso -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Feb 10 22:40:56 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:40:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Geting things installed In-Reply-To: References: <6bb4326c0b01.6c0b016bb432@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 2/10/06, jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: >> I got it installed but when I run it if I pass the mouse pointer over >> any of the buttons without pressing any of them the program quits. Any >> Ideas on how to solve this? > > Wow! Can you tell me the specifics... > What version of k12 do you have? > Did you use yum to install it or compiled yourself? > Any error messages when it fails? > Did you previously have TT installed? > Did you launch it as root? > > I'm pretty sure version 0.21 should be relatively stable since many > people including myself are using it. So I find this behavior odd. Maybe a problem with fltk 1.1.4 rather than 1.1.6? Pat, what version of fltk do you have installed? rpm -q ftlk If it reports 1.1.4, can you upgrade to the latest version and let us know if that fixes it or not? yum install ftlk -Eric From robark at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 22:43:50 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:43:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Geting things installed In-Reply-To: <6c80216c7241.6c72416c8021@texas.rr.com> References: <6c80216c7241.6c72416c8021@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: On 2/10/06, jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > Okay here goes. > Because of the setup in my classroom I am always in root which solves a > lot of file problems that the students cause themselves. > I am using K12LTSP 4.4.1 > I removed the old TeacherTool before I installed the new one. The new teachertool uses a different makefile which utilizes fltk library which comes with k12ltsp. If you installed the previous version of TT then follow the fltk removal instructions on my site. It's step #1. TT quiting on a mouse over maybe causes by incompatible dynamic fltk libs. Try #rpm -qa |grep fltk you should see version 1.1.6 Then delete the ones you installed manually in /usr/local (step #1) > I use nothing but Gnome and have also run into the problem of TT telling > me that a student is using an unsupported desktop. Okay I know about this. Basically, if a student logs out (or ctrl-alt-bckspc) but not all their processes die my code thinks they are still logged in but cannot figure out which wm they are using. So it reports it as an unkown wm. I have fixed this in version 0.30 by ensuring that EVERY process is killed when a user logs out and that any existing processes left from an improper logout have to be more than 2 (because I don't think it's possible to be logged in with only 2 processes). 0.30 should be released soon. I'm waiting on Eric to help with gcc libraries in the LBE. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From julian_yap at yahoo.com Fri Feb 10 23:02:58 2006 From: julian_yap at yahoo.com (Julian Yap) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:02:58 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Smb-ldap admin interface and hardware recommendations In-Reply-To: <43EB19BA.5000103@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <1139391303.1953.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> <43EB19BA.5000103@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1139612578.12319.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm evaluating LAM at the moment. What would be the suffix setting for the DomainSuffix. Thus far I have for the others: UserSuffix: ou=Users,dc=... GroupSuffix: ou=Groups,dc=... HostSuffix: ou=Computers,dc=... Could anyone post a /var/lib/ldap-account-manager/config/*.conf file that works nicely with smb-ldap installer scripts that I can refer to? Does JXplorer work with Samba schemas? I guess I'm looking at using something like LAM. It looks like it covers most of the bases. Anything else like bulk user adding can be done via the command line. I'm surprised that the solutions I've found out there look so immature. Is this the case? >From what I see on the web, K12OSN looks to be the biggest group using a smb-ldap solution and using mostly the same configuration at that. As a group do you think we could develop a web based solution that will really help adoption? - Julian On Thu, 2006-02-09 at 10:30 +0000, Brian Chivers wrote: > I use a mixture of LAM & JXplorer, JXplorer is really good for just simple tweaks. > > Brian > > Julian Yap wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Just a quick update on my smb-ldap testing. > > > > I managed to get Samba working with Fedora Directory Server as the > > backend according to the instructions that were on their wiki. It was a > > relatively simple exercise and I was satisfied that it worked in > > practice. > > > > I then tried out installing smb-ldap on Debian Linux (sarge) using > > OpenLDAP and Samba. To start of with, I only found 1 site which > > actually had instructions for installing OpenLDAP on Debian. After 2 > > days of trying to get it to work, I gave up. There's more I could say > > but I won't. > > > > By now I felt I had a better understanding of Samba and LDAP so I > > installed it on CentOS and it's working fine for me. > > > > I'm up to the part now where I'm evaluating web-based admin interfaces. > > Right now I'm using smbldap-tools which is fine for the command-line but > > not practical for the long run and for administration to be done by > > others. > > > > I tried out IDEALX Management concole with samba-console today but ran > > into errors and annoyances like: > > - Login session timeouts requiring a browser restart. > > - IDEALX supplies a SSL certificate that has expired. > > - Display of certain screens is messed up. eg. User screen. > > - Errors for some parts and the login button at the top right doesn't > > work. > > > > Basically, it's not a mature solution. > > > > What are the other solutions people have used? I'm looking into testing > > out LDAP Account Manager (http://lam.sourceforge.net/) shortly. > > > > My second question to the list was about hardware and recommendations. > > We're about to buy the hardware for out smb-ldap solution. This would > > be for ~330 students and I'm not sure how many teachers. > > > > I just wanted to quickly ask what were the hardware specs on your main > > PDC? Would you recommend more RAM? Would you recommend a 15000rpm SCSI > > drives as opposed to a pair of cheaper serial Hard disk drives with > > software raid? > > > > We were thinking of an Athlon 64, 2GB RAM, 36.7GB 15k RPM SCSI. We > > would initially also use this to store the home folders and profiles. As > > our needs grow, would add more file servers. > > > > Thanks, > > Julian > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Feb 10 23:29:18 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:29:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Packaging vnc X11 module, Was: Geting things installed In-Reply-To: References: <6c80216c7241.6c72416c8021@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Okay I know about this. Basically, if a student logs out (or > ctrl-alt-bckspc) but not all their processes die my code thinks they > are still logged in but cannot figure out which wm they are using. So > it reports it as an unkown wm. I have fixed this in version 0.30 by > ensuring that EVERY process is killed when a user logs out and that > any existing processes left from an improper logout have to be more > than 2 (because I don't think it's possible to be logged in with only > 2 processes). 0.30 should be released soon. I'm waiting on Eric to > help with gcc libraries in the LBE. I got a lot done today, but didn't get to packaging the vnc X11 module for ltsp. I'm not overly-optimistic that I'm going to get another big enough chunk of time in the next week to figure this out. If someone wants some fame and glory, here are a couple of things that need to be done that would help Robert out with fl_TeacherTool... 1) Figure out how to build the vnc X11 extension module within the LBE. The source code and build instructions are included in the vnc src.rpm. (the vnc-server package sticks this in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so, the LTSP version would be /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so...) 2) There might be a missing library as well, if that is the case it will need to be built in the LBE as well. 3) Once the LBE packages are created, we then need to figure out how to make an rpm of 'em. -Eric From robark at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 04:33:36 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:33:36 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Packaging vnc X11 module, Was: Geting things installed In-Reply-To: References: <6c80216c7241.6c72416c8021@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: On 2/10/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > > 1) Figure out how to build the vnc X11 extension module within the LBE. > > The source code and build instructions are included in the vnc src.rpm. > (the vnc-server package sticks this in > /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so, the LTSP version would be > /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so...) > > 2) There might be a missing library as well, if that is the case it will > need to be built in the LBE as well. Yes. In addition to /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so we also need /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 and /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 This last one is a little tricky because it already exists in the LBE. However, the stock libgcc_s.so.1 does not seem to work (at least with the vnc.so copied from /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions) Also something to ponder, the stock LBE soft links outside itself: $ ls -l /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/libgcc_s.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Jul 27 2005 /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/libgcc_s.so -> /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 Here is the link to the original LTSP wiki doc http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#VNC_SO -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From mike75bug at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 05:44:33 2006 From: mike75bug at gmail.com (Mike Brzezowski) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:44:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Any network sound gurus out there that can help? Message-ID: <6b8fee910602102144m449f27c3h2a26391e4bc6e964@mail.gmail.com> I just set up a prototype K12LTSP server using the <5> install CD's from the website (version 4.4.1) I then installed the sound and utils packages from http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4.1.html Next, I went into the KDE control center on the server and when to Sound and Multimedia. I Enabled network Sound and Run with highest priority (sould buffer to 46). Under the hardware tab I selected TOSS for the Audio Device and then full duplex. For the lts.conf file, I added the following for the client: ----------------------- SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = nasd # This can be 'nasd', or 'esd' at this time VOLUME = 100 # Speaker & WAVE volume pecentage MIC_VOLUME = 100 # Microphone volume CD_VOLUME = 75 # CD Audio volume SMODULE_01 = auto # sound chip auto detect ----------------------- When the client boots though, I get the following error: "Error while initializing the sound driver. device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied) The sound server will continue, using the null output device." Does anyone have any ideas how to fix this? It sounds to me like the client is trying to directly access the dsp instead of going through some sound server. Thanks....Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We always use Gnome,and I know there are some differences between the way Gnome and KDE DM initializes sound cards/modules. You might try Gnome first so you know this much is working. I guess I'll have to see if this works via KDE as well. Hope this helps. Barry Cisna From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sat Feb 11 13:45:58 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:45:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP from a remote site Message-ID: <60423.70.96.75.10.1139665558.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Hello K12LTSP er's , Can anyone shed some light on this scenario. Our school consolidated with the next school "up the road" this past year. I currently have one K12LTSP server setup at the remote school building right now ,just serving 7 client machines trying to get the "new people" acclamated with Linux. I also have setup an IPSEC tunnel with Openswan between these buildings,through two K12LTSP servers in order for both buildings to be able to access some databases via Winders boxes. Now what Id like to do is setup a more powerful server to setup here were I am usually at and feed K12LTSP to the remote building so as the new server can be sitting "locally" were i am at in the server room to be able to setup more clients in the building "up the road". What kind of show stopper stuff am i going to run in to,with this scenario? Is there any chance of this actually working with DHCP, TFTP, going through the Ipsec tunnel? IF i can telnet back and forth say port 67 and others wouldnt this work? I am thinking if this does work of running the new server DHCP on port 1067 so only this server will feed the remote clients as well as keeping the Windows dhcp server as it is at remote site. Im sure this will be a head scratcher at least if it would ever work. Will bandwidth/latency be the death of this? Comments/ideas/laughs welcome, Thanks, Barry Cisna From cliebow at midmaine.com Sat Feb 11 14:22:46 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:22:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Packaging vnc X11 module, Was: Geting things installed In-Reply-To: References: <6c80216c7241.6c72416c8021@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <47779.70.33.151.214.1139667766.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> x11vnc is already compiled intyo the lbe..cant you incorporate that??chuck > On 2/10/06, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> 1) Figure out how to build the vnc X11 extension module within the LBE. >> >> The source code and build instructions are included in the vnc >> src.rpm. >> (the vnc-server package sticks this in >> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so, the LTSP version would be >> /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so...) >> >> 2) There might be a missing library as well, if that is the case it will >> need to be built in the LBE as well. > > Yes. In addition to > > /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so > > we also need > > /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 > > and > > /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 > > This last one is a little tricky because it already exists in the LBE. > However, the stock libgcc_s.so.1 does not seem to work (at least with > the vnc.so copied from /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions) > Also something to ponder, the stock LBE soft links outside itself: > > $ ls -l /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/libgcc_s.so > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Jul 27 2005 /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/libgcc_s.so > -> /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 > > Here is the link to the original LTSP wiki doc > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#VNC_SO > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mike75bug at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 15:35:27 2006 From: mike75bug at gmail.com (Mike Brzezowski) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:35:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP from a remote site In-Reply-To: <60423.70.96.75.10.1139665558.squirrel@216.24.126.68> References: <60423.70.96.75.10.1139665558.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: <6b8fee910602110735n5e060fb3xf251fe88d6e4ab03@mail.gmail.com> First, what is your connection speed at each of these sites. I am totally new to the LTSP, but not new to Linux, so I may have totally invalid answers ;) BUT, if the DHCP doesn't automatically travel the IPSEC, then you could just put a basic LTSP server there at the new school, but in the servers section of the lts.config, just point everything to the more powerful machine. Set SERVERS and anything else to point to the beastie computer at your current location. So what do you think? Bandwidth might kill this still though. Mike On 2/11/06, cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > > Hello K12LTSP er's , > > > setup a more powerful server to setup here were I am usually at and feed > K12LTSP to the remote building so as the new server can be sitting > "locally" were i am at in the server room to be able to setup more > clients in the building "up the road". > What kind of show stopper stuff am i going to run in to,with this > scenario? > Is there any chance of this actually working with DHCP, TFTP, going > through the Ipsec tunnel? IF i can telnet back and forth say port 67 and > others wouldnt this work? I am thinking if this does work of running the > new server DHCP on port 1067 so only this server will feed the remote > clients as well as keeping the Windows dhcp server as it is at remote > site. > Im sure this will be a head scratcher at least if it would ever work. > Will bandwidth/latency be the death of this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike75bug at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 16:16:28 2006 From: mike75bug at gmail.com (Mike Brzezowski) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:16:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Any network sound gurus out there that can help? In-Reply-To: <20060211140105.GA30000@fpcc.net> References: <6b8fee910602102144m449f27c3h2a26391e4bc6e964@mail.gmail.com> <20060211140105.GA30000@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <6b8fee910602110816j177a6a5av9cf5032059c0f837@mail.gmail.com> Still no go. I get the same sound errors. Mike On 2/11/06, Calvin Dodge wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 12:44:33AM -0500, Mike Brzezowski wrote: > > I just set up a prototype K12LTSP server using the <5> install CD's from > the > > website (version 4.4.1) > > > > I then installed the sound and utils packages from > > http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4.1.html > > > > Next, I went into the KDE control center on the server and when to Sound > and > > Multimedia. I Enabled network Sound and Run with highest priority > (sould > > buffer to 46). Under the hardware tab I selected TOSS for the Audio > Device > > and then full duplex. > > > > For the lts.conf file, I added the following for the client: > > ----------------------- > > > > SOUND = Y > > SOUND_DAEMON = nasd # This can be 'nasd', or 'esd' at this > time > > Mike, > > In version 4.4 I had real problems with nasd, both at home and at RMSEL > (school with 70 LTSP workstations). After much poking around and head > scratching, > I solved the problem by specifying esd instead. > > So I'd suggest you try that. > > Calvin > -- > Calvin Dodge > Certified Linux Bigot (tm) > http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu at harekrishna.school.nz Sat Feb 11 18:24:51 2006 From: krsnendu at harekrishna.school.nz (System User) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:24:51 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] mounting iso error message - Using iso for Vmplayer Message-ID: <1139653016.6776.3.camel@k12ltsp.harekrishna.school.nz> Can someone help me? I am trying to mount a windowsxp.iso that I creadted and used previously with Win4lin. When I try using it with VMplayer it doesn't recognize it. When I try to mount it I get he following message. [root at k12ltsp ~]# mount -t iso9660 windowsxp.iso /tmp/winxp -o loop -v mount: going to use the loop device /dev/loop0 mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, or too many mounted file systems (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) From cliebow at midmaine.com Sat Feb 11 19:32:44 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:32:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: sme 7 + ldap auth In-Reply-To: <1176.70.33.151.214.1139685622.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <1176.70.33.151.214.1139685622.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <1210.70.33.151.214.1139686364.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> > Anyone figured out how to auth an sme box with an external ldap server? My > sme7 box will authenticate for login wll do an ldapsearch of the > database.will getent passwd and getent group as well as id > cliebow..Working on the missing piece..Anyone? chuck > From julian_yap at yahoo.com Sat Feb 11 20:11:07 2006 From: julian_yap at yahoo.com (Julian Yap) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:11:07 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Using GOsa as admin interface to smb-ldap Message-ID: <1139688667.9196.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi all, Has anyone tried out or is using GOsa (https://gosa.gonicus.de/) as an admin interface to smb-ldap? I had a quick look last night. It looks real pretty but when I installed it, I found it does stuff like it makes you change you schema, makes you add users to a group if they want to use Gosa to change their settings, ties in your Samba password with your Unix one, etc... Regards, Julian From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Sun Feb 12 15:30:30 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:30:30 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Using GOsa as admin interface to smb-ldap In-Reply-To: <1139688667.9196.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1139688667.9196.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43EF5496.2010103@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Julian Yap wrote: >Hi all, > >Has anyone tried out or is using GOsa (https://gosa.gonicus.de/) as an >admin interface to smb-ldap? > >I had a quick look last night. It looks real pretty but when I >installed it, I found it does stuff like it makes you change you schema, >makes you add users to a group if they want to use Gosa to change their >settings, ties in your Samba password with your Unix one, etc... > >Regards, >Julian > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Tried GOSa, got rid of it because of all the extra schema's you have to add to users. :-) Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sun Feb 12 16:15:57 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:15:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit advantages of K12LTSP Message-ID: <60619.70.96.75.10.1139760957.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Hello K12LTSPer's, Could someone that has used the 64 bit versions of K12LTSP, give some insight on any noticecible advantages over 32 bit OS? We have upped our backbone at school to gigabyte and I think maybe 64 bit processor is the way to go from now on. Im sure with gigabyte nics in the server combined with 64 bit I/O ,I would think the clients would undoubtly be snappier. 64 bit server with gigabyte nics, gigabyte backbone, 10/100 room switches,would be our scenario. It seems Ive read were some people have had little glitches when using the 64 versions,but Im guessing this can be overcome,with some config changes,etc. Even before upping our backbone to gigabyte K12LTSP was very decent as far as access speed. We did have some old 10 MB switches in rooms that finally all got changed out to 10/100 MB. Poor people have poor ways:) Kids are very happy with K12LTSP , after having had for three years now. Its the teachers that are very offish on using it,it seems. I think one thing they can not get is the Linux appliactions opening slower than Winders, the network "seems" kinda laggy, but of course once the app has been opened,the impending instances pop up as fast as Windows applications open. Im wondering if the 64 bit versions, would alleviate this a bit? Anyone care to comment? Thanks, Barry Cisna From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Sun Feb 12 20:19:12 2006 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:19:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit advantages of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <60619.70.96.75.10.1139760957.squirrel@216.24.126.68> References: <60619.70.96.75.10.1139760957.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: <1139775552.5695.11.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2006-02-12 at 10:15 -0600, cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > Hello K12LTSPer's, > > Could someone that has used the 64 bit versions of K12LTSP, give some > insight on any noticecible advantages over 32 bit OS? I have not used 64 bit K12LTSP so don't take anything I say as directly applicable :-)... In general, 64 bit AMD/Intel hardware is faster than the 32 bit x86 chips because it has more registers in the CPU. However, 64 bit processors are inherently less memory efficient than 32 bit architectures so more memory is needed for a 64 bit version of an application than a 32 bit version. Since memory is often an issue in ltsp, a 64 bit server might not actually be faster for you. If you are willing to put more memory into the 64 bit servers than the 32 bit ones then that won't be an issue. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Im wondering if the 64 bit versions, would alleviate this a bit? > Anyone care to comment? I'm wondering if there's a "preload" package for K12LTSP out there. It's on another distro that I use, and it works wonders for application load times. True, it does add an extra 20-30 seconds to shutdown/reboot, but it'd be well worth it if it could help client apps load quicker. Cheers, Mike From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon Feb 13 01:34:30 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:34:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP from a remote site In-Reply-To: <6b8fee910602110735n5e060fb3xf251fe88d6e4ab03@mail.gmail.com> References: <60423.70.96.75.10.1139665558.squirrel@216.24.126.68> <6b8fee910602110735n5e060fb3xf251fe88d6e4ab03@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E4CBAFF-C96A-44E0-A6D7-0C193A4F1735@mindfirestudios.com> You want to centralize as many services as you can but you are going to at least want separate LTSP servers at each site since the X traffic will use a lot of bandwidth at a good res and color setting. Your login and email/web/proxy should be easy to centralize. The bandwidth between the sites and the frequency that people visit both schools will determine whether home folders are centrally shared, separate, or separated but synced over the network. On Feb 11, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Mike Brzezowski wrote: > First, what is your connection speed at each of these sites. > > I am totally new to the LTSP, but not new to Linux, so I may have > totally invalid answers ;) > > BUT, if the DHCP doesn't automatically travel the IPSEC, then you > could just put a basic LTSP server there at the new school, but in > the servers section of the lts.config, just point everything to the > more powerful machine. > > Set SERVERS and anything else to point to the beastie computer at > your current location. > > So what do you think? > > Bandwidth might kill this still though. > > Mike > > On 2/11/06, cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us < cisna- > barry at wc235.k12.il.us> wrote:Hello K12LTSP er's , > > > setup a more powerful server to setup here were I am usually at and > feed > K12LTSP to the remote building so as the new server can be sitting > "locally" were i am at in the server room to be able to setup more > clients in the building "up the road". > What kind of show stopper stuff am i going to run in to,with this > scenario? > Is there any chance of this actually working with DHCP, TFTP, going > through the Ipsec tunnel? IF i can telnet back and forth say port > 67 and > others wouldnt this work? I am thinking if this does work of > running the > new server DHCP on port 1067 so only this server will feed the remote > clients as well as keeping the Windows dhcp server as it is at remote > site. > Im sure this will be a head scratcher at least if it would ever work. > Will bandwidth/latency be the death of this? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon Feb 13 02:00:03 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:00:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit advantages of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1139775552.5695.11.camel@localhost> References: <60619.70.96.75.10.1139760957.squirrel@216.24.126.68> <1139775552.5695.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <00BD282A-6B89-410E-8AE6-06E941236717@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 IMHO, just using the 64 bit kernel for AMD64/x86x64 is just fine. Only a few apps are worth compiling for 64 bit, just the kernel since most apps don't really take advantage of it and in some cases then aren't as widely supported and used as the 32 bit ones. The big thing about 64 bit kernels is the native support for larger memory spaces (instead of the ugly hacks on 32 bit OSes). This also applies to any apps that would use more than 4 GB of memory per process. On Feb 12, 2006, at 2:19 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Sun, 2006-02-12 at 10:15 -0600, cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: >> Hello K12LTSPer's, >> >> Could someone that has used the 64 bit versions of K12LTSP, give some >> insight on any noticecible advantages over 32 bit OS? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkPv6CMACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTDcACdHt8mAj8uuND2OKd0ZmBqctOD QKMAn3dAvvFsvvw11dYc3lCC4e6wGhfn =8qnx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sbarar at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 02:47:18 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:17:18 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 bit advantages of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <60619.70.96.75.10.1139760957.squirrel@216.24.126.68> References: <60619.70.96.75.10.1139760957.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: <774593a20602121847k79989c51i1bc9efb190a606e4@mail.gmail.com> On 2/12/06, cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > Hello K12LTSPer's, > > Could someone that has used the 64 bit versions of K12LTSP, give some > insight on any noticecible advantages over 32 bit OS? We have upped our [SNIP] > Anyone care to comment? My$0.02: The system would be faster but one thing to be aware is that there is no flash yet for 64 bit. You can always run 64bit with 32bit k12ltsp (and see just a little improvement) and be future proof when more applications become 64bit enabled. Definitely the future. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Mon Feb 13 13:36:48 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:36:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *DHCP Questions* Message-ID: <1139837809.9328.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, I have a DHCP question because I think I am making thinks more confusing for myself than they should be. I will tell you what our current setup is and then what I would like. Our current setup is a Windows ADS domain with a Windows DHCP server handing out leases. We also have a K12LTSP server authenticating against the Windows ADS so that users can have the same sign on for the terminals as they do the Windows boxes. Here's the issue though, we have both K12LTSP and Windows DHCP server on the same network so both are handing out leases. Computers that get leases from the K12LTSP server aren't working. Now we come to my question... How can I get K12LTSP to point to the Windows DHCP server unless it is a client booting via bootp or pxe and vice versa (Windows DHCP server point to K12LTSP when it is a bootp or pxe request)? On the other hand, is it possible to have K12LTSP do all DHCP for the network and if so how would the DHCP conf file look? Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -Paul From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Feb 13 14:50:55 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:50:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *DHCP Questions* In-Reply-To: <1139837809.9328.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1139837809.9328.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Couple of questions for you.... Not ever having used Windows ADS....does ADS depend in any way on Windows DHCP? If not, then it might be best for you to use the K12LTSP DHCP. Is the K12LTSP server on the same subnet as all the Windows machines? OR....does it have two NICs and the terminals sit on their own network. Now....we'll assume that the K12LTSP server shares the same network as everything else. If that's the case and ADS doesn't need Windows DHCP....then simply turn off the DHCP on the Windows side and use the K12LTSP DHCP. You'll need to make sure the K12LTSP server is handing out the correct addresses and subnet for your network. This is most easily done during installation . It's possible to change on the fly, but may not be worth the headache. If the users home directories live on the ADS server and not the K12LTSP server....you can simply blow away the K12LTSP server (back up a few configs like icewm if you use it)...and then re-install...this time entering the correct info along the way. It is possible to change mid-stream....perhaps someone on the list can point you to all the files that need to change...or maybe Eric's K12LTSP-initialize script will do it....haven't looked. Assuming you'll need to add static entries for things like servers and printers....this is easy to do....just look in dhcpd.conf for examples....or you can use Webmin to add them graphically. Once you add all the static (reserved) entries...make a backup of it so you can use it another time....I cut and paste from mine year to year....I've been using Linux DHCP servers for years. vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Monday, February 13, 2006 at 8:36 AM +0000 wrote: >All, > >I have a DHCP question because I think I am making thinks more confusing >for myself than they should be. I will tell you what our current setup >is and then what I would like. > >Our current setup is a Windows ADS domain with a Windows DHCP server >handing out leases. We also have a K12LTSP server authenticating against >the Windows ADS so that users can have the same sign on for the >terminals as they do the Windows boxes. Here's the issue though, we have >both K12LTSP and Windows DHCP server on the same network so both are >handing out leases. Computers that get leases from the K12LTSP server >aren't working. Now we come to my question... > >How can I get K12LTSP to point to the Windows DHCP server unless it is a >client booting via bootp or pxe and vice versa (Windows DHCP server >point to K12LTSP when it is a bootp or pxe request)? On the other hand, >is it possible to have K12LTSP do all DHCP for the network and if so how >would the DHCP conf file look? Any and all help would be greatly >appreciated. Thanks. > >-Paul David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Mon Feb 13 14:44:01 2006 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (Larry McPherson) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:44:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MEA - through sme server (how-to) In-Reply-To: <1139837809.9328.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1139837809.9328.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1139841841.8935.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> A bit off topic - I've installed a sme server at three schools after the Linux symposium last year. While at the Linux symposium last year - David Trask said that there is a way to configure the SME server for a connection ("persistent") from the in-house MEA Test Delivery Server (TDS) - to the servers at the MEA facility. Do any of you know of a how-to that describes the steps to make this connection? The ports are: 80, 7800, 7801, 7802 Thanks Larry From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Mon Feb 13 15:16:56 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:16:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Getting things installed Message-ID: <73944b734f0c.734f0c73944b@texas.rr.com> I uninstalled everything including TT and attempted to start fresh. I have followed all of your guidance and when I went back and checked the rpm -qa |grep fltk. It is reporting that I have fltk-1.1.4-10.fc4 How do I get this updated to 1.1.6? Thanks > Okay here goes. > Because of the setup in my classroom I am always in root which solves a > lot of file problems that the students cause themselves. > I am using K12LTSP 4.4.1 > I removed the old TeacherTool before I installed the new one. The new teachertool uses a different makefile which utilizes fltk library which comes with k12ltsp. If you installed the previous version of TT then follow the fltk removal instructions on my site. It's step #1. TT quiting on a mouse over maybe causes by incompatible dynamic fltk libs. Try #rpm -qa |grep fltk you should see version 1.1.6 Then delete the ones you installed manually in /usr/local (step #1) > I use nothing but Gnome and have also run into the problem of TT telling > me that a student is using an unsupported desktop. Okay I know about this. Basically, if a student logs out (or ctrl-alt-bckspc) but not all their processes die my code thinks they are still logged in but cannot figure out which wm they are using. So it reports it as an unkown wm. I have fixed this in version 0.30 by ensuring that EVERY process is killed when a user logs out and that any existing processes left from an improper logout have to be more than 2 (because I don't think it's possible to be logged in with only 2 processes). 0.30 should be released soon. I'm waiting on Eric to help with gcc libraries in the LBE. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From cliebow at midmaine.com Mon Feb 13 15:45:43 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:45:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] david trask:re sme7 dans and ldap In-Reply-To: References: <1139837809.9328.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49762.169.244.70.148.1139845543.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> David: im assuming the last transmission got lost in the shuffle..are you authing the sme box to internal ldap so your users and groups show::if so what am i missing? i have sme7 talking to ldap server..authenticating a login getent passwd ,getent group ,id cliebow, squid authentication, all work using pam rather than transparent proxy.. still fiddling with the filtering piece..Havnt yet got a bypass screen...chuck From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Mon Feb 13 16:17:22 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:17:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Getting things installed Message-ID: <741477740429.740429741477@texas.rr.com> I figured out how to get the right files and everything is working correctly now. Thanks for the help. Bye Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Date: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:16 am Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Getting things installed > I uninstalled everything including TT and attempted to start fresh. > I > have followed all of your guidance and when I went back and checked > therpm -qa |grep fltk. It is reporting that I have fltk-1.1.4-10.fc4 > How do I get this updated to 1.1.6? > Thanks > > > > > Okay here goes. > > Because of the setup in my classroom I am always in root which > solves a > > lot of file problems that the students cause themselves. > > > I am using K12LTSP 4.4.1 > > > I removed the old TeacherTool before I installed the new one. > > The new teachertool uses a different makefile which utilizes fltk > library which comes with k12ltsp. If you installed the previous > version of TT then follow the fltk removal instructions on my site. > It's step #1. TT quiting on a mouse over maybe causes by incompatible > dynamic fltk libs. Try > #rpm -qa |grep fltk > you should see version 1.1.6 > Then delete the ones you installed manually in /usr/local (step #1) > > > I use nothing but Gnome and have also run into the problem of TT > telling> me that a student is using an unsupported desktop. > > Okay I know about this. Basically, if a student logs out (or > ctrl-alt-bckspc) but not all their processes die my code thinks they > are still logged in but cannot figure out which wm they are using. So > it reports it as an unkown wm. I have fixed this in version 0.30 by > ensuring that EVERY process is killed when a user logs out and that > any existing processes left from an improper logout have to be more > than 2 (because I don't think it's possible to be logged in with only > 2 processes). 0.30 should be released soon. I'm waiting on Eric to > help with gcc libraries in the LBE. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Feb 13 16:55:44 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:55:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] david trask:re sme7 dans and ldap In-Reply-To: <49762.169.244.70.148.1139845543.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <49762.169.244.70.148.1139845543.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 13, 2006 at 10:45 AM +0000 wrote: >David: im assuming the last transmission got lost in the shuffle..are you >authing the sme box to internal ldap so your users and groups show::if so >what am i missing? Not at this time...the ldap on SME is entirely different, but it may change with the new version based on CentOS (as opposed to RH 7.3) I have static passwords that I generate with smbldap-installer...thus I simply use the same usernames and pw's in both places....but in this case I do it manually. I haven't tried doing a slapadd, but doubt it'd work because the schemas are so different. I haven't gotten into much of the ldap end of things on the SME server...banged my head too many times last time. (Square peg...round hole) I'm going to upgrade my SME to 7.0 once it's out of beta....I may try to dissect the LDAP stuff and see if I can work with it....or....blow it away and install OpenLDAP and my own schemas.....thus I can slapadd or even authenticate against my Samba/LDAP server. The new Samba 4 is probably going to make everything moot anyway so I'm hesitant to get too far into it. I'm also going to look at Fedora Directory Server....FDS combined with Samba 4 should be an Active Directory killer. (not that I run Active Directory.....eeeewwwww!) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From cliebow at midmaine.com Mon Feb 13 17:19:40 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:19:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] david trask:re sme7 dans and ldap In-Reply-To: References: <49762.169.244.70.148.1139845543.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <44447.169.244.70.148.1139851180.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> I have slapd running fine on sme7..even squid proxy authentication works fine..Been talking to Steve Noble about it..But still cant get users and groups to show up..chuck From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Mon Feb 13 17:20:07 2006 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (Larry McPherson) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:20:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN]Completed - thanks-MEA - through sme server (how-to) In-Reply-To: <1139841841.8935.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1139837809.9328.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1139841841.8935.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1139851207.13799.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Great how-to by Mark Goodrige at Chelsea Elementary School. Thanks!!! On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 09:44 -0500, Larry McPherson wrote: > A bit off topic - I've installed a sme server at three schools after the > Linux symposium last year. > > While at the Linux symposium last year - David Trask said that there is > a way to configure the SME server for a connection ("persistent") from > the in-house MEA Test Delivery Server (TDS) - to the servers at the MEA > facility. > > Do any of you know of a how-to that describes the steps to make this > connection? > > The ports are: 80, 7800, 7801, 7802 > > Thanks > > Larry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From chan at sacredsf.org Mon Feb 13 18:04:52 2006 From: chan at sacredsf.org (Hoover Chan) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:04:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] david trask:re sme7 dans and ldap In-Reply-To: <44447.169.244.70.148.1139851180.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <49762.169.244.70.148.1139845543.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <44447.169.244.70.148.1139851180.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <43F0CA44.3020905@sacredsf.org> I've decided to bite the bullet and go LDAP of some kind to integrate my network of Macs, Windows and Linux. Can anyone point me to a how-to that starts you with a standard /etc/passwd and shadow combination and goes through the conversion to LDAP? Any other pointers to useful documentation? Thanks. -- -------------------------------------------------- Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org Technology Network Coordinator Schools of the Sacred Heart 2222 Broadway St. San Francisco, CA 94115 From julian_yap at yahoo.com Mon Feb 13 18:27:32 2006 From: julian_yap at yahoo.com (Julian Yap) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:27:32 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] david trask:re sme7 dans and ldap In-Reply-To: <43F0CA44.3020905@sacredsf.org> References: <49762.169.244.70.148.1139845543.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <44447.169.244.70.148.1139851180.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <43F0CA44.3020905@sacredsf.org> Message-ID: <1139855252.16761.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 10:04 -0800, Hoover Chan wrote: > I've decided to bite the bullet and go LDAP of some kind to integrate my > network of Macs, Windows and Linux. > > Can anyone point me to a how-to that starts you with a standard > /etc/passwd and shadow combination and goes through the conversion to LDAP? > > Any other pointers to useful documentation? > > Thanks. I've only been on this list for a short while but I think there should be a K12OSN Wiki setup because a lot of the questions I read tend to be of the same variety and could be solved by checking there first. For example, MANY questions are in regards to K12LTSP and sound. Just an observation. Thoughts? To integrate your Windows, Macs and Linux machines to central authentication, you can't use LDAP alone. You can for you Linux and Macs(?) because they are posix compliant. Windows clients however require a Samba server for authentication. This leads us to using a Samba server, tying LDAP as the backend (as opposed to Samba's out of the box tdb (Trivial Database) solution). You then end up with this diagram: http://us5.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/images/UNIX-Samba-and-LDAP.png As for documentation, I'd recommend: Samba-3 by Example - http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/ The Linux Samba3-OpenLDAP Howto - http://www.idealx.org/prj/samba/smbldap-howto.en.html Some people on this list have come up with Samba/LDAP How-To using Samba v.3 (http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/). This should get you going. - Julian http://julianyap.com From cliebow at midmaine.com Mon Feb 13 19:25:41 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:25:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] david trask:re sme7 dans and ldap In-Reply-To: <43F0CA44.3020905@sacredsf.org> References: <49762.169.244.70.148.1139845543.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <44447.169.244.70.148.1139851180.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <43F0CA44.3020905@sacredsf.org> Message-ID: <42295.169.244.70.148.1139858741.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> matt oquist wrote a nice perl script and david trask tested it and wrote up some docs..google for smbldap-installer + trask.. I have my own more involved bash script ..and i'll help you if you need it .chuck From petre at maltzen.net Mon Feb 13 19:35:55 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:35:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] david trask:re sme7 dans and ldap In-Reply-To: <1139855252.16761.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <49762.169.244.70.148.1139845543.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <44447.169.244.70.148.1139851180.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <43F0CA44.3020905@sacredsf.org> <1139855252.16761.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43F0DF9B.901@maltzen.net> Julian Yap wrote: > I've only been on this list for a short while but I think there should > be a K12OSN Wiki setup because a lot of the questions I read tend to be > of the same variety and could be solved by checking there first. For > example, MANY questions are in regards to K12LTSP and sound. Just an > observation. Thoughts? Do you mean like this one: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ I'll agree it's a bit hard to find if one is new to the project. www.k12ltsp.org points to a page that includes links to the K12LTSP project and a bunch of others, so one could get lost there; that's one barrier. Then when one does click on the 'Enter K12LTSP.org' link, it brings up a page that has a good short description of LTSP. But the link to documentation and the wiki is labeled 'FAQs and more' which assumes everyone knows what FAQ stands for, which they may not. I think a better word would be 'Documentation'. That's barrier number two. So, click on 'FAQs and more' and you get a lengthy page that has many good answers on it, but hasn't been updated in a while. If you start scrolling down the page right away, you may miss the link to the wiki at the top of the page, assuming you know what a wiki is and why you'd want to click on the link. Barrier number three. To be fair, this is a volunteer project; there's no marketing department whose job it is to make sure newcomers can easily find the wiki. And before the wiki was added, the docs that were available were handled by a small handful of VERY-generous-with-their-time, hardworking folks. That was part of the point of having the wiki, allowing everyone to contribute, and I think it works pretty well. I just wish it were easier for people to find. Perhaps the 'FAQs and more' link on http://k12ltsp.org/contents.html could be relabeled 'Documentation' and rather than link to the FAQ list, have it link to a wiki page (not THE wiki page, A wiki page) which could then have links to the FAQ list, the K12LTSP wiki, LTSP's documentation, LTSP's wiki, etc. If it's a wiki page then any of us could update it; I'd be willing; I'm trying not to just make work for Paul). Petre From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Feb 13 20:33:08 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:33:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] david trask:re sme7 dans and ldap In-Reply-To: <43F0CA44.3020905@sacredsf.org> References: <49762.169.244.70.148.1139845543.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> < > < > <44447.169.244.70.148.1139851180.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <43F0CA44.3020905@sacredsf.org> Message-ID: Go here....this is the easiest way...use the smbldap-installer script http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ documentation and links are here chan at sacredsf.org on Monday, February 13, 2006 at 1:04 PM +0000 wrote: >I've decided to bite the bullet and go LDAP of some kind to integrate my >network of Macs, Windows and Linux. > >Can anyone point me to a how-to that starts you with a standard >/etc/passwd and shadow combination and goes through the conversion to >LDAP? > >Any other pointers to useful documentation? > >Thanks. > >-- >-------------------------------------------------- >Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org >Technology Network Coordinator >Schools of the Sacred Heart >2222 Broadway St. >San Francisco, CA 94115 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Feb 13 20:33:59 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:33:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP installer script docs and links Message-ID: the most current docs and the links to get the script for smbldap-installer are here: http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Feb 13 20:41:39 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:41:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] CHUCK:re sme7 dans and ldap In-Reply-To: <44447.169.244.70.148.1139851180.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <44447.169.244.70.148.1139851180.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 13, 2006 at 12:19 PM +0000 wrote: >I have slapd running fine on sme7..even squid proxy authentication works >fine..Been talking to Steve Noble about it..But still cant get users and >groups to show up..chuck I'm still running 6.01.....downloaded 7 today and hope to throw on a sandbox this afternoon. I'm wondering if the LDAP setup under the hood has changed at all....and if so....can you run authconfig to simply point to another server and do the proxy auth from the info stored there? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Mon Feb 13 22:05:03 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:05:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] CHUCK:re sme7 dans and ldap In-Reply-To: References: <44447.169.244.70.148.1139851180.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <1139868303.21512.66.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 14:41, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, February 13, 2006 at 12:19 PM +0000 wrote: > >I have slapd running fine on sme7..even squid proxy authentication works > >fine..Been talking to Steve Noble about it..But still cant get users and > >groups to show up..chuck > > I'm still running 6.01.....downloaded 7 today and hope to throw on a > sandbox this afternoon. I'm wondering if the LDAP setup under the hood > has changed at all....and if so....can you run authconfig to simply point > to another server and do the proxy auth from the info stored there? I don't think it has been done but a lot of the system is stock Centos so the client side might be easy. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cliebow at midmaine.com Mon Feb 13 22:48:59 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:48:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] CHUCK:re sme7 dans and ldap In-Reply-To: References: <44447.169.244.70.148.1139851180.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <35148.70.33.151.214.1139870939.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> under the hood just like redhat..i installed nss-ldap and ldpa-clients ran authconfig and tweaked for my own layout..no qustion if you use the schema from redhat it just works...chuck From cliebow at midmaine.com Mon Feb 13 22:54:09 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:54:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] CHUCK:re sme7 dans and ldap In-Reply-To: References: <44447.169.244.70.148.1139851180.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <33649.70.33.151.214.1139871249.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> btw: the proxy auth just worked..i think..i AM SO CONFUSED NOW i am not sure what worked when..i switched to pam authentication..annd tweaked pam.d squid to add pam_stack service=sysytem-auth (really replaced the junk that was there) From lachlan.simpson at wilderness.org.au Tue Feb 14 00:21:09 2006 From: lachlan.simpson at wilderness.org.au (Lachlan Simpson) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:21:09 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP, DHCP and DNS Message-ID: <43F1BD25.12527.B45289@lachlan.simpson.wilderness.org.au> Hi, I used to have a computer in my office doing LTSP/DHCP for our LAN that was a K12 box. I inherited this box, and the only thing I could find out about it was that there was a file in /etc called "redhat-release" that claimed it was shrike (red hat 9) The rest of our network is Windows, including a Win2K file/print/DNS server and a debian firewall.the LTSP box was also a backup server, via rsync and was serving Win desktops to two or three thin clients. So I wanted to upgrade the LTSP server to Debian for standardisation resons, and to keep updating it fairly simple. I used the docs that can be found here: http://ithacafreesoftware.org/Members/mitch/notebook/debian/ltsp/index_html/view All's cool, although I have no thin clients working yet, I think it's to do with Xfree86 v Xorg probs. My real question is: Does LTSP have DNS installed/conf'd? I have a copy of the old LTSP server's /etc/ and there's no "bind" folder. The reason I ask is because whereas previously my M$ AD recognised the K12LTSP box as a DHCP server, I now cannot get the AD to recognise the Debian box as the DHCP server, and I'm wondering if I've done something wrong, or missed some stuff that might be hidden away in the K12LTSP that I missed? Any help on this matter would be appreciated Cheers L. --- Lachlan Simpson, National Database & IT Support Officer National Office The Wilderness Society 57E Brisbane Street, Hobart TAS 7000, AUSTRALIA lachlan.simpson at wilderness.org.au Ph (03) 6270 1798 http://www.wilderness.org.au From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 02:28:23 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:58:23 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP, DHCP and DNS In-Reply-To: <43F1BD25.12527.B45289@lachlan.simpson.wilderness.org.au> References: <43F1BD25.12527.B45289@lachlan.simpson.wilderness.org.au> Message-ID: <774593a20602131828s1a702a49p8dad831193ec377f@mail.gmail.com> On 2/14/06, Lachlan Simpson wrote: > My real question is: > Does LTSP have DNS installed/conf'd? > No. Not own its own like k12ltsp, which uses /etc/hosts for definig all the local name/IP pairs. > I have a copy of the old LTSP server's /etc/ and there's no "bind" folder. > I think you should be looking at /etc/named.conf for all DNS setups. > The reason I ask is because whereas previously my M$ AD recognised the K12LTSP box as a > DHCP server, I now cannot get the AD to recognise the Debian box as the DHCP server, and > I'm wondering if I've done something wrong, or missed some stuff that might be hidden > away in the K12LTSP that I missed? > Are you looking at DHCP or DNS setup? AFAIK under debian you need to download and install the services that you want. So "apt-get install dhcp3" may be what you need to do followed with edit of "/etc/dhpc3/dhpcd.conf" HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From les at futuresource.com Tue Feb 14 04:07:06 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:07:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP, DHCP and DNS In-Reply-To: <43F1BD25.12527.B45289@lachlan.simpson.wilderness.org.au> References: <43F1BD25.12527.B45289@lachlan.simpson.wilderness.org.au> Message-ID: <1139890026.13565.29.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 18:21, Lachlan Simpson wrote: > So I wanted to upgrade the LTSP server to Debian for standardisation resons, and to keep > updating it fairly simple. You can make debian work, of course, but you aren't going to find anything easier to update than a current k12ltsp. Either the fedora or Centos based version just needs a 'yum update'. > My real question is: > > Does LTSP have DNS installed/conf'd? > > I have a copy of the old LTSP server's /etc/ and there's no "bind" folder. Look at /etc/named.conf and the contents of /var/named. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 07:56:53 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:56:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] scripting help needed: Nuking .rhopenoffice1.1 directories Message-ID: <9bd317560602132356v93f895aofbb4ee4327a4b1f7@mail.gmail.com> I just upgraded to Openoffice2.0, and I'm getting some errors due to the users settings for the previous Openoffice version. How would you go about nuking the .rhopenoffice1.1 directories in all the home folders? Thanks so much! Peter From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Tue Feb 14 09:11:37 2006 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:11:37 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] scripting help needed: Nuking .rhopenoffice1.1 directories In-Reply-To: <9bd317560602132356v93f895aofbb4ee4327a4b1f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560602132356v93f895aofbb4ee4327a4b1f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200602140911.37869.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Tuesday 14 Feb 2006 07:56, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I just upgraded to Openoffice2.0, and I'm getting some errors due to > the users settings for the previous Openoffice version. How would you > go about nuking the .rhopenoffice1.1 directories in all the home cd /home find . -name ".rhopenoffice1.1" -type d -exec rm -rf {} \; YMMV (ie test it before you committing yourself) -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Feb 14 11:33:50 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 06:33:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] scripting help needed: Nuking .rhopenoffice1.1 directories In-Reply-To: <9bd317560602132356v93f895aofbb4ee4327a4b1f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560602132356v93f895aofbb4ee4327a4b1f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <53919.70.33.151.214.1139916830.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Heres a hack...ls /home>/tmp/user...then cat /tmp/users|while read line; do rm /home/$line/.rhwhatever done something along those lines...chuck > I just upgraded to Openoffice2.0, and I'm getting some errors due to > the users settings for the previous Openoffice version. How would you > go about nuking the .rhopenoffice1.1 directories in all the home > folders? > > > Thanks so much! > > > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Feb 14 11:43:07 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 06:43:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP, DHCP and DNS In-Reply-To: <1139890026.13565.29.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <43F1BD25.12527.B45289@lachlan.simpson.wilderness.org.au> <1139890026.13565.29.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <48352.70.33.151.214.1139917387.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> you may find named chrooted with a longer path to get to..chuck > On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 18:21, Lachlan Simpson wrote: > >> So I wanted to upgrade the LTSP server to Debian for standardisation >> resons, and to keep >> updating it fairly simple. > > You can make debian work, of course, but you aren't going to find > anything easier to update than a current k12ltsp. Either the fedora or > Centos based version just needs a 'yum update'. > >> My real question is: >> >> Does LTSP have DNS installed/conf'd? >> >> I have a copy of the old LTSP server's /etc/ and there's no "bind" >> folder. > > Look at /etc/named.conf and the contents of /var/named. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Tue Feb 14 14:09:20 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:09:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] scripting help needed: Nuking .rhopenoffice1.1 directories In-Reply-To: <9bd317560602132356v93f895aofbb4ee4327a4b1f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560602132356v93f895aofbb4ee4327a4b1f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1139926160.15609.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 01:56, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I just upgraded to Openoffice2.0, and I'm getting some errors due to > the users settings for the previous Openoffice version. How would you > go about nuking the .rhopenoffice1.1 directories in all the home > folders? Up to the shell command line size limit (after expansion) you can: cd /home rm -rf */.rhopenoffice1.1 If you get an error about the size you can rm -rf [a-m]*/.rhopenoffice1.1 rm -rf [n-z]*/.rhopenoffice1.1 etc. or use find. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Tue Feb 14 14:30:23 2006 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:30:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 24, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <20060213170044.409BD73359@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060213170044.409BD73359@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1139927423.4719.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> Paul, I am stuck with an ADS infrastructure (Exchange is entrenched) for the moment. I disabled my Windows DHCP server and use one of my Linux servers for DHCP. Using Linux DHCP allows you to have if/else statements within the configuration file, so your server can hand out a PXE or other type of boot image (ie: using etherboot) automatically rather than having to specify PXE or etherboot images, and then overiding specific clients (if you were using Winders DHCP). I've run it for at least a year and a half with no problems. Handing off the servers... depending on the size of the school and if you do not want to go around manually renewing IP addresses to get people on the new Linux DHCP server, you might want to setup an IP pool on each server that does not overlap (you probably don't want to change subnets/networks... ick.). Then you can shut off the Windows DHCP server and not have to worry about new clients getting the same ip addresses as systems still on the network... do you follow? I also set the lease time to 6 hours right before I did the switch so IP addresses would refresh pretty quickly (so you could theoretically do it one evening and have everyone up on the new IPs in the morning by just switching off the windows dhcp server and starting the new Linux one). Remember that if you change the lease time, you probably still have computers out there that just renewed before you changed and still have the original time (1 day, 2 days, etc). If you have a router that has to relay DHCP information, make sure you update that to the new IP address of the server (I've been splitting into 10.142.*.* networks for each building.... Linux and Windows 2k/XP systems only... no 98 ) Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 12:00 -0500, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:50:55 -0500 > From: "David Trask" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] *DHCP Questions* > To: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Cc: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Couple of questions for you.... > > Not ever having used Windows ADS....does ADS depend in any way on > Windows > DHCP? If not, then it might be best for you to use the K12LTSP DHCP. > Is > the K12LTSP server on the same subnet as all the Windows machines? > OR....does it have two NICs and the terminals sit on their own > network. > > Now....we'll assume that the K12LTSP server shares the same network as > everything else. If that's the case and ADS doesn't need Windows > DHCP....then simply turn off the DHCP on the Windows side and use the > K12LTSP DHCP. You'll need to make sure the K12LTSP server is handing > out > the correct addresses and subnet for your network. This is most > easily > done during installation . It's possible to change on the fly, but > may > not be worth the headache. If the users home directories live on the > ADS > server and not the K12LTSP server....you can simply blow away the > K12LTSP > server (back up a few configs like icewm if you use it)...and then > re-install...this time entering the correct info along the way. It is > possible to change mid-stream....perhaps someone on the list can point > you > to all the files that need to change...or maybe Eric's K12LTSP- > initialize > script will do it....haven't looked. > > Assuming you'll need to add static entries for things like servers and > printers....this is easy to do....just look in dhcpd.conf for > examples....or you can use Webmin to add them graphically. Once you > add > all the static (reserved) entries...make a backup of it so you can use > it > another time....I cut and paste from mine year to year....I've been > using > Linux DHCP servers for years. > > > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Monday, February 13, 2006 at 8:36 AM > +0000 > wrote: > >All, > > > >I have a DHCP question because I think I am making thinks more > confusing > >for myself than they should be. I will tell you what our current > setup > >is and then what I would like. > > > >Our current setup is a Windows ADS domain with a Windows DHCP server > >handing out leases. We also have a K12LTSP server authenticating > against > >the Windows ADS so that users can have the same sign on for the > >terminals as they do the Windows boxes. Here's the issue though, we > have > >both K12LTSP and Windows DHCP server on the same network so both are > >handing out leases. Computers that get leases from the K12LTSP server > >aren't working. Now we come to my question... > > > >How can I get K12LTSP to point to the Windows DHCP server unless it > is a > >client booting via bootp or pxe and vice versa (Windows DHCP server > >point to K12LTSP when it is a bootp or pxe request)? On the other > hand, > >is it possible to have K12LTSP do all DHCP for the network and if so > how > >would the DHCP conf file look? Any and all help would be greatly > >appreciated. Thanks. > > > >-Paul > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at ehle.homelinux.org Tue Feb 14 15:41:03 2006 From: mark at ehle.homelinux.org (mark at ehle.homelinux.org) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:41:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] GuardDog and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1139927423.4719.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> References: <20060213170044.409BD73359@hormel.redhat.com> <1139927423.4719.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> Message-ID: <1139931663.43f1fa0f26dc6@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> Hello, Folks - I have a very small (2 clients so far) K12LTSP system set up at the library that I work at. Right now, the clients that hang off the server are used for the Library Catalog. I am using fluxbox, and need to display a telnet screen and a firefox screen. So far, it all works great, but I need to make sure that the patrons, some of whom are rather evil when it comes to trying to mess with the network, from telnet-ing anywhere else but the catalog server. My favorite firewall front-end is Guarddog. Can I install it on K12LTSP and use it without messing up anything that makes the LTSP stuff work? I did a iptables-save on the server and it lookes like there is not much going on, firewall-wise. Thanks - Mark From les at futuresource.com Tue Feb 14 15:48:01 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:48:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 24, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <1139927423.4719.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> References: <20060213170044.409BD73359@hormel.redhat.com> <1139927423.4719.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> Message-ID: <1139932080.8130.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 08:30, Henry Burroughs wrote: > I am stuck with an ADS infrastructure (Exchange is entrenched) for the > moment. I disabled my Windows DHCP server and use one of my Linux > servers for DHCP. Using Linux DHCP allows you to have if/else > statements within the configuration file, so your server can hand out > a PXE or other type of boot image (ie: using etherboot) automatically > rather than having to specify PXE or etherboot images, and then > overiding specific clients (if you were using Winders DHCP). I've run > it for at least a year and a half with no problems. AD doesn't care if you use a different DHCP server but it really, really wants to be the DNS server for the machines in it's domain. A lot of operations will be slower if it isn't. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Feb 14 16:04:02 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:04:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] libstdc++.so.6 Message-ID: <78fd2178fa36.78fa3678fd21@texas.rr.com> I am using K12LTSP-4.4.1 Server is a home brew: AMD Athalon 1gig with 1.5gig of RAM I need to install gcc and some video software that requires gcc to be installed. When I use the ADD/REMOVE PACKAGES option to install gcc or anything else I get a message that states the following programs need this particular library file: fl_teachertool, Abiword, gtkmathview, and enchant. All of these programs are working correctly and libstdc++.so.6 is in the /usr/lib folder. How do I fix this? Thanks in advance. Pat From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Feb 14 16:11:25 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:11:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] libstdc++.so.6 In-Reply-To: <78fd2178fa36.78fa3678fd21@texas.rr.com> References: <78fd2178fa36.78fa3678fd21@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <43F2012D.7050603@mesd.k12.or.us> jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > I need to install gcc and some video software that requires gcc to be > installed. When I use the ADD/REMOVE PACKAGES option to install gcc or > anything else I get a message that states the following programs need > this particular library file: fl_teachertool, Abiword, gtkmathview, and > enchant. All of these programs are working correctly and libstdc++.so.6 > is in the /usr/lib folder. How do I fix this? What does "rpm -q libstdc++" say? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From mark at ehle.homelinux.org Tue Feb 14 16:11:11 2006 From: mark at ehle.homelinux.org (mark at ehle.homelinux.org) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:11:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC into server from outside In-Reply-To: <78fd2178fa36.78fa3678fd21@texas.rr.com> References: <78fd2178fa36.78fa3678fd21@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <1139933471.43f2011f74fab@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> Folks - I installed a fresh copy of K12LTSP-4.4.1 on my server, ran vncpasswd, fired up vncserver, and I can't vnc into the server from the outside. What am I missing? Thanks! Mark From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 14 16:29:23 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:29:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC into server from outside In-Reply-To: <1139933471.43f2011f74fab@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> References: <78fd2178fa36.78fa3678fd21@texas.rr.com> <1139933471.43f2011f74fab@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <43F20563.1010502@maltzen.net> If you're running vncserver as a standalong daemon (instead of having xinetd call it) I think you may need to have port 5900 open in your iptables. Petre mark at ehle.homelinux.org wrote: > Folks - > > I installed a fresh copy of K12LTSP-4.4.1 on my server, ran vncpasswd, fired up > vncserver, and I can't vnc into the server from the outside. What am I missing? > > Thanks! > > Mark > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Feb 14 16:54:10 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:54:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] libstdc++.so.6 Message-ID: <798e6b79a492.79a492798e6b@texas.rr.com> The rpm -q libstdc++ command says: libstdc++-4.0.2-8.fc4 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Young Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:11 am Subject: Re: [K12OSN] libstdc++.so.6 > jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > I need to install gcc and some video software that requires gcc > to be > > installed. When I use the ADD/REMOVE PACKAGES option to install > gcc or > > anything else I get a message that states the following programs > need> this particular library file: fl_teachertool, Abiword, > gtkmathview, and > > enchant. All of these programs are working correctly and > libstdc++.so.6> is in the /usr/lib folder. How do I fix this? > > What does "rpm -q libstdc++" say? > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Tue Feb 14 17:01:30 2006 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:01:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 24, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <1139932080.8130.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20060213170044.409BD73359@hormel.redhat.com> <1139927423.4719.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> <1139932080.8130.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1139936490.4719.12.camel@phoenix.hhp> Yeah, I agree on that one. Henry On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 09:48 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 08:30, Henry Burroughs wrote: > > > I am stuck with an ADS infrastructure (Exchange is entrenched) for the > > moment. I disabled my Windows DHCP server and use one of my Linux > > servers for DHCP. Using Linux DHCP allows you to have if/else > > statements within the configuration file, so your server can hand out > > a PXE or other type of boot image (ie: using etherboot) automatically > > rather than having to specify PXE or etherboot images, and then > > overiding specific clients (if you were using Winders DHCP). I've run > > it for at least a year and a half with no problems. > > AD doesn't care if you use a different DHCP server but it > really, really wants to be the DNS server for the machines > in it's domain. A lot of operations will be slower if > it isn't. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 18:26:58 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:26:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] scripting help needed: Nuking .rhopenoffice1.1 directories In-Reply-To: <1139926160.15609.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <9bd317560602132356v93f895aofbb4ee4327a4b1f7@mail.gmail.com> <1139926160.15609.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560602141026v39cdb349ka722fc449aab8eb8@mail.gmail.com> Thanks you guys! On 2/14/06, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 01:56, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > I just upgraded to Openoffice2.0, and I'm getting some errors due to > > the users settings for the previous Openoffice version. How would you > > go about nuking the .rhopenoffice1.1 directories in all the home > > folders? > > Up to the shell command line size limit (after expansion) you can: > cd /home > rm -rf */.rhopenoffice1.1 > > If you get an error about the size you can > rm -rf [a-m]*/.rhopenoffice1.1 > rm -rf [n-z]*/.rhopenoffice1.1 > etc. or use find. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From phawxhurst at hotmail.com Tue Feb 14 17:42:27 2006 From: phawxhurst at hotmail.com (Peter Hawxhurst) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:42:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] PLEASE REMOVE phawxhurst@hotmail.com FROM YOUR LIST.THANKS.PEACE. PETER In-Reply-To: <1139933471.43f2011f74fab@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shahms at shahms.com Tue Feb 14 19:21:18 2006 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:21:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] libstdc++.so.6 In-Reply-To: <78fd2178fa36.78fa3678fd21@texas.rr.com> References: <78fd2178fa36.78fa3678fd21@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <43F22DAE.8060907@shahms.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > I am using K12LTSP-4.4.1 > Server is a home brew: AMD Athalon 1gig with 1.5gig of RAM > > I need to install gcc and some video software that requires gcc to be > installed. When I use the ADD/REMOVE PACKAGES option to install gcc or > anything else I get a message that states the following programs need > this particular library file: fl_teachertool, Abiword, gtkmathview, and > enchant. All of these programs are working correctly and libstdc++.so.6 > is in the /usr/lib folder. How do I fix this? > Thanks in advance. > Pat Odd, I just ran "Add/Remove Applications" to install the gcc fortran compiler as a way of testing your problem and got an error about gcc not being present (when it most assuredly is). My best suggestion is to not use "Add/Remove Applications" and use yum on the command line instead until the next major release. - -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFD8i2u/qs2NkWy11sRAlKbAJ9NbuD/jU1+vkRYghXDOeSrB4LHDQCghXFt KursvzB0IzbwGKG1CB+hITk= =Q7e4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From robark at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 20:25:31 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:25:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Blocking users from printing to network printer Message-ID: Is there a way to block students from printing to a network printer? Maybe changing some permissions in /proc somewhere? Or maybe a more elegant way? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 20:51:01 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:51:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Blocking users from printing to network printer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/14/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Is there a way to block students from printing to a network printer? > I should have mentioned that I still want to be able to print. I just want to block students from printing. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Feb 14 20:51:34 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:51:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] libstdc++.so.6 Message-ID: <7b1d3f7b20cc.7b20cc7b1d3f@texas.rr.com> I tried to yum install gcc and got some messages about missing libraries the apply to gcc. Perhaps I didn't use the correct name to get gcc. The command I typed was: yum install gcc If something else is needed please let me know. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shahms King Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:21 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] libstdc++.so.6 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > I am using K12LTSP-4.4.1 > > Server is a home brew: AMD Athalon 1gig with 1.5gig of RAM > > > > I need to install gcc and some video software that requires gcc > to be > > installed. When I use the ADD/REMOVE PACKAGES option to install > gcc or > > anything else I get a message that states the following programs > need> this particular library file: fl_teachertool, Abiword, > gtkmathview, and > > enchant. All of these programs are working correctly and > libstdc++.so.6> is in the /usr/lib folder. How do I fix this? > > Thanks in advance. > > Pat > > Odd, I just ran "Add/Remove Applications" to install the gcc fortran > compiler as a way of testing your problem and got an error about > gcc not > being present (when it most assuredly is). My best suggestion is > to not > use "Add/Remove Applications" and use yum on the command line instead > until the next major release. > > > - -- > Shahms E. King > Multnomah ESD > > Public Key: > http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc > Fingerprint: > 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFD8i2u/qs2NkWy11sRAlKbAJ9NbuD/jU1+vkRYghXDOeSrB4LHDQCghXFt > KursvzB0IzbwGKG1CB+hITk= > =Q7e4 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Feb 14 21:01:07 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:01:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] libstdc++.so.6 In-Reply-To: <7b1d3f7b20cc.7b20cc7b1d3f@texas.rr.com> References: <7b1d3f7b20cc.7b20cc7b1d3f@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <43F24513.8020108@mesd.k12.or.us> jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > I tried to yum install gcc and got some messages about missing libraries > the apply to gcc. Perhaps I didn't use the correct name to get gcc. > The command I typed was: > yum install gcc > > If something else is needed please let me know. The actual error message would be helpful in diagnosing. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Feb 14 21:05:51 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:05:51 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Mac question for inet6 Message-ID: <47066.172.28.8.55.1139951151.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello All, Im trying to get iMac bondi's to get correct video. I think i have correct path in /etc/ltsp/ppc/etc lts.conf file to point to XF86Config-4.indigo file. Im getting video fine on the older Imac,dull, bizzare colored cases. When the client (Bondi/shiney Imac) gets to the video portion of bootup runlevel5 im getting three lines starting with TCP Socket creation failed, Inet6, something something, Im guessing if i can get this to work on shiney bondis, possibly emacs might work as well, that we inherited. im probably dreaming. SOrry for being so vague,,im not at a mac and forgot to write down the exact three error lines,, but all three pertain to Socket TCP failed,,,Inet6,, right before you would see the /tmp/xf86,, line..to go to GUI mode login.. I changed to shell then startx but stuff flies by too fast to grasp the three error lines.. Using version K12LTSP 4.1.1 with PPC rpm added... Thanks, Barry Cisna From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Feb 14 21:19:52 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:19:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] libstdc++.so.6 Message-ID: <7b420e7b2a46.7b2a467b420e@texas.rr.com> I ran the install again to get the error message and it installed okay. There must have been a download problem earlier. This can be agrivating. Thanks Bye Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Young Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:01 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] libstdc++.so.6 > jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > I tried to yum install gcc and got some messages about missing > libraries> the apply to gcc. Perhaps I didn't use the correct name > to get gcc. > > The command I typed was: > > yum install gcc > > > > If something else is needed please let me know. > > The actual error message would be helpful in diagnosing. > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From trond at maehlum.net Tue Feb 14 21:20:28 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:20:28 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Blocking users from printing to network printer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43F2499C.2010707@maehlum.net> Robert Arkiletian skrev: > On 2/14/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> Is there a way to block students from printing to a network printer? >> > > I should have mentioned that I still want to be able to print. I just > want to block students from printing. If I understand you correctly, you want to be able to print, but block some users? You're using cups right? I know that Fedora/Redhat likes to write its own printers.conf file, but on my Debian main server I use groups to do this. For example, you can create two groups (you'll probably want more, but to prove my point), lets call them teacher and student. Now make all your teachers a member of teacher and enroll the students into the student group. Now, add this line to your printers.conf for all your "teacher-only" printers: AllowUser @teacher This way members of "teacher" can print, everyone else can not print. I suspect that system-config-printer in Fedora/Redhat will alter or remove this line... I'm not sure, but you can give it a go. This works perfectly on my Debian Sarge box which acts as file/printserver. Trond Maehlum > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Feb 14 21:55:09 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:55:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac question for inet6 In-Reply-To: <47066.172.28.8.55.1139951151.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <47066.172.28.8.55.1139951151.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <20060214215344.M85471@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:05:51 -0600 (CST), cisna-barry wrote > Hello All, > > Im trying to get iMac bondi's to get correct video. > I think i have correct path in /etc/ltsp/ppc/etc lts.conf file to > point to XF86Config-4.indigo file. Im getting video fine on the > older Imac,dull, bizzare colored cases. Check the IP's listed in the XF86Config-4.indigo file. They may point to the wrong server IP, be sure they match yours. The dull green iMacs are known as "Bondi Blue", the shiny blue machines are "Indigo". That may help your description. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From robark at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 23:43:34 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:43:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Blocking users from printing to network printer In-Reply-To: <43F2499C.2010707@maehlum.net> References: <43F2499C.2010707@maehlum.net> Message-ID: On 2/14/06, Trond M?hlum wrote: > Robert Arkiletian skrev: > > On 2/14/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >> Is there a way to block students from printing to a network printer? ... > If I understand you correctly, you want to be able to print, but block > some users? You're using cups right? I know that Fedora/Redhat likes to > write its own printers.conf file, but on my Debian main server I use > groups to do this. I am not running cups. The printer is an HP network printer with it's own ip using jetdirect. I just setup the printer using system-config-printer. It works great but I don't want everyone on the LTSP server to be able to print. The only other thing I can think of is to chgrp and chmod lpr to allow only the group I want print. Is there a more elegant way of doing this? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Feb 15 00:03:44 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:03:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Blocking users from printing to network printer In-Reply-To: References: <43F2499C.2010707@maehlum.net> Message-ID: <43F26FE0.5090703@mesd.k12.or.us> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I am not running cups. The printer is an HP network printer with it's > own ip using jetdirect. I just setup the printer using > system-config-printer. It works great but I don't want everyone on the > LTSP server to be able to print. The only other thing I can think of > is to chgrp and chmod lpr to allow only the group I want print. Is > there a more elegant way of doing this? You are running CUPS in a fashion, if you used system-config-printer. Take a look at this sample chapter from Carla Schroder's Linux Cookbook (published by O'Reilly). Recipe 14.9 covers restricting print queues to certain users. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxckbk/chapter/ch14.pdf Short story: Sounds like you're looking for the AllowUser/DenyUser parameters in /etc/cups/printers.conf Carla is a good writer (and a member of my local LUG). -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From tlegge at rogers.com Wed Feb 15 02:20:06 2006 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:20:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Blocking users from printing to network printer In-Reply-To: References: <43F2499C.2010707@maehlum.net> Message-ID: <43F28FD6.2060706@rogers.com> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 2/14/06, Trond M?hlum wrote: > >>Robert Arkiletian skrev: >> >>>On 2/14/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >>> >>>>Is there a way to block students from printing to a network printer? > > ... > >>If I understand you correctly, you want to be able to print, but block >>some users? You're using cups right? I know that Fedora/Redhat likes to >>write its own printers.conf file, but on my Debian main server I use >>groups to do this. > > > I am not running cups. The printer is an HP network printer with it's > own ip using jetdirect. I just setup the printer using > system-config-printer. It works great but I don't want everyone on the > LTSP server to be able to print. The only other thing I can think of > is to chgrp and chmod lpr to allow only the group I want print. Is > there a more elegant way of doing this? Hi The simple method I have used to stop accidental printing by daycare age kids is to create a printer that prints to /dev/null and make it their default. If you want to prevent abuse it does not work but for accidental printing it works well... Tim From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 15 02:54:35 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:54:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] how to create etherboot CD In-Reply-To: <43ECACD7.2010902@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20060215025435.43481.qmail@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Petre Scheie wrote: > I've got a Micron desktop client that when I try to > boot it with a Universal Boot Floppy > starts to load the ROM image but then the screen > goes grey with a few blinking > characters in the center of the screen and it just > stalls there. > > So, I thought I'd try to get it to boot via a CD. I > followed the instructions at > http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/ltsp/Etherboot-On-CDR-HOWTO.txt, > but when I test it > on a Dell OptiPlex that IS able to boot from the > Universal Boot Floppy, it starts to > load the ROM image, but then its screen goes grey, > the black and nothing else happens. > > Has anyone managed to translate the Universal Boot > Floppy onto a CD? > > Petre Petre, I've been using the universal network boot files from the Thinstation project. The link below will take you to the download page. Download network_boot_floppy+cd+hd_540.zip, unpack, and use your favorite CD mastering software to burn eb-net.iso to CD. http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=80408&package_id=97496 Hope this helps. David Whitmer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ahodson at elp.rr.com Wed Feb 15 04:07:26 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson at elp.rr.com) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:07:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh questions Message-ID: <6d2b896d34c8.6d34c86d2b89@texas.rr.com> Hey list I am having a hard time with one of the K12LTSP v4.4.1 servers trying to properly configure ssh remote access... Could one of the gurus here throw some light as to a) how do I test ssh access setup? and 2) equally important, what is the proper way to limit ssh access to these servers from a given static IP? Happy V.D. day to those that celebrate it (Valentine's Day, that is ;-) Alan Hodson El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org/ -=o=- From gumprechtm at msad3.org Wed Feb 15 11:34:43 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:34:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh questions In-Reply-To: <6d2b896d34c8.6d34c86d2b89@texas.rr.com> References: <6d2b896d34c8.6d34c86d2b89@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <43F311D3.9000807@msad3.org> Alan, I found this link to be very helpful. http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/faq/ssh.html That will tell you how to setup and test an automated ssh connection. The mistake I made was not to check the permissions of the .ssh directory and files there in. If you have webmin installed and the fire wall is on, add in a rule about port 22 and who can access it, I'm no pro, just enough to be dangerous. Mark ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: >Hey list > >I am having a hard time with one of the K12LTSP v4.4.1 servers trying to >properly configure ssh remote access... Could one of the gurus here >throw some light as to a) how do I test ssh access setup? and 2) equally >important, what is the proper way to limit ssh access to these servers >from a given static IP? > >Happy V.D. day to those that celebrate it (Valentine's Day, that is ;-) > >Alan Hodson >El Paso ISD, TX >http://links.episd.org/ >-=o=- > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Feb 15 13:21:09 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:51:09 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh questions In-Reply-To: <43F311D3.9000807@msad3.org> References: <6d2b896d34c8.6d34c86d2b89@texas.rr.com> <43F311D3.9000807@msad3.org> Message-ID: <774593a20602150521s54d07fa9p5dde74a43db01fb0@mail.gmail.com> On 2/15/06, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Alan, > I found this link to be very helpful. > http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/faq/ssh.html > That will tell you how to setup and test an automated ssh connection. > The mistake I made was not to check the permissions of the .ssh > directory and files there in. If you have webmin installed and the fire > wall is on, add in a rule about port 22 and who can access it, I'm no > pro, just enough to be dangerous. > Mark > > > ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > > >Hey list > > > >I am having a hard time with one of the K12LTSP v4.4.1 servers trying to > >properly configure ssh remote access... Could one of the gurus here > >throw some light as to a) how do I test ssh access setup? and 2) equally > >important, what is the proper way to limit ssh access to these servers > >from a given static IP? > > To allow or deny access the files to be edited are /etc/hosts.allow & /etc/hosts.deny So to allow only access from one static IP att this in allow file and put a "*" in deny file. Detailed behaviour of ssh can be configure by editing /etc/ssh/ssh.conf (or sshd.conf) You can specify for instance not to allow root access from ssh. This way first you can log in as user and then sudo for commands that nee root access. One of the things you can do is to restrict entry only from those hosts and users whose public key exists and deny login with password. This way users generate key on the machine they are going to ssh from (client) by giving command "ssh-keygn -t dsa" and then send the resultant public key generated, as file attachment, /home/user/.ssh/id_dsa.pb over email to the host where they are going to connect (server) At the host the admin (or user themselves) can do "cat id_dsa.pub >> /home/user/.ssh/authorzed_keys2" Thereafter this user from that client only can log in from outside to the server. Beauty is that even if some one gets hold of id_dsa.pub it is of no use at all since the authentication of this depends on private key "/home/user/.ssh/id_dsa" which is left on the client computer. HTH ;-) -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From petre at maltzen.net Wed Feb 15 14:06:15 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:06:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] how to create etherboot CD In-Reply-To: <20060215025435.43481.qmail@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060215025435.43481.qmail@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43F33557.9060301@maltzen.net> David Whitmer wrote: > > --- Petre Scheie wrote: > >> I've got a Micron desktop client that when I try to >> boot it with a Universal Boot Floppy >> starts to load the ROM image but then the screen >> goes grey with a few blinking >> characters in the center of the screen and it just >> stalls there. >> >> So, I thought I'd try to get it to boot via a CD. I >> followed the instructions at >> > http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~jcater/ltsp/Etherboot-On-CDR-HOWTO.txt, >> but when I test it >> on a Dell OptiPlex that IS able to boot from the >> Universal Boot Floppy, it starts to >> load the ROM image, but then its screen goes grey, >> the black and nothing else happens. >> >> Has anyone managed to translate the Universal Boot >> Floppy onto a CD? >> >> Petre > > > Petre, > > I've been using the universal network boot files from > the Thinstation project. > > The link below will take you to the download page. > Download network_boot_floppy+cd+hd_540.zip, unpack, > and use your favorite CD mastering software to burn > eb-net.iso to CD. > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=80408&package_id=97496 > > Hope this helps. > David Whitmer > Thanks David, that works wonderfully on my Dell test station. I'll try it on the Micron onsite later this week when I get there. I was able to make the Micron boot from a PXES live CD, and then chose XDM from the boot menu, and it brought up the login screen from the terminal server like a champ. I was thinking I'd try to re-master the PXES CD to automatically default to XDM. That route still has some appeal because I like--and I think the users will be less intimidated by--the splash screen at the beginning of the PXES boot process. OTOH, PXES seems to be in a state of limbo right now: the wiki is broken, Diego has handed/sold/given the project over to X2, and it's not clear what if any further development is being done by whom. :-( From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Wed Feb 15 14:56:07 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:56:07 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Mac question for inet6 Message-ID: <41136.172.28.8.55.1140015367.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello list, I looked at the exact error messages im getting on the mac client machines. I get the following message on mac clients that DO get the correct video/Login screen,( the dull colored imacs) as well as the shiney imacs machines, that video never comes up. These errors appear right after " Entering run level 5:" in the boot process. XServTransSocketOpenCotsServer : Unable to open socket Inet6 XServTransSocketOpen: Unable to open socket Inet6 XservTransSocketMakeAll : unable to create socket XDMCP warning: Inet6 UDP failed I did check to make sure i have the correct IP address edited into the XF86Config-4.indigo file & have the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc lts.conf file pointing to the XF68Config-4.indigo file which I have located at: /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc is this the correct location for this file? Maybe someone has run into this error message? We are using version 4.1.1 of K12LTSP with the PPC rpm added to it Thanks, Barry CIsna From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Feb 15 16:12:18 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:12:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Blocking users from printing to network printer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43F352E2.1020806@paasda.org> Pykota ;) lovely printer quota solution...free to boot =) http://www.librelogiciel.com/software/PyKota/ --Huck Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Is there a way to block students from printing to a network printer? > > Maybe changing some permissions in /proc somewhere? Or maybe a more elegant way? > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Feb 15 16:22:54 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:22:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Totem player problem Message-ID: <7edab77eb2ac.7eb2ac7edab7@texas.rr.com> I am using K12LTSP-4.4.1 System is AMD Athalon 1gig processor with 1.5 gig RAM I yum installed Totem When I start Totem player it blinks on and then back off and I get the following error message: Totem could not startup Resource busy or not available. I typed rpm -q totem and got back totem-1.0.4-1 What do I need to do to make this player work correctly? Thanks in advance. Pat From petre at maltzen.net Wed Feb 15 16:35:09 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:35:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Totem player problem In-Reply-To: <7edab77eb2ac.7eb2ac7edab7@texas.rr.com> References: <7edab77eb2ac.7eb2ac7edab7@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <43F3583D.1050604@maltzen.net> For the record, totem has never worked for me, either. Petre jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > I am using K12LTSP-4.4.1 > > System is AMD Athalon 1gig processor with 1.5 gig RAM > > I yum installed Totem > > When I start Totem player it blinks on and then back off and I get the > following error message: > Totem could not startup Resource busy or not available. > > I typed rpm -q totem and got back totem-1.0.4-1 > > > What do I need to do to make this player work correctly? > > Thanks in advance. > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From henryhartley at westat.com Wed Feb 15 16:42:11 2006 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:42:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Changes re FC3 moved to Legacy Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D73D@MAILBE2.westat.com> I have a machine running K12LTSP 4.2.1 which is based on FC3. While I should upgrade that, this isn't a good time so I'd like to keep using it as-is for a few months. I see that back in January, FC3 support was moved to Fedora Legacy. My first question is something I've wondered about for a while but was happy for the system to "just work" (TM) so I didn't bother asking. I'm a little unclear on where updates for my system come from. I have repositories listed in /etc/yum.repo.d/ that point both to the official Fedora repos, (download.fedora.redhat.com) as well as repositories pointing to 12linux.mesd.k12.or.us. Do I really need both? Will base fedora packages be updated from one and K12LTSP specific packages from the other? Or could I just have the k12 repo and be done with it? As for the move to Legacy, I've updated my fedora repos to point to the legacy locations (download.fedoralegacy.org) instead. Do I need to change anything with the k12ltsp repos? Do I even need to keep them? Or will security updates to legacy find their way to the k12ltsp repos and I could just have those and not have to change anything? Sorry I'm so clueless. I'm just not clear on where updates come from. -- Henry Hartley From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Feb 15 17:26:21 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:26:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Changes re FC3 moved to Legacy In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D73D@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D73D@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <43F3643D.2090909@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Henry Hartley wrote: > I have a machine running K12LTSP 4.2.1 which is based on FC3. While I > should upgrade that, this isn't a good time so I'd like to keep using it > as-is for a few months. I see that back in January, FC3 support was > moved to Fedora Legacy. > > My first question is something I've wondered about for a while but was > happy for the system to "just work" (TM) so I didn't bother asking. I'm > a little unclear on where updates for my system come from. I have > repositories listed in /etc/yum.repo.d/ that point both to the official > Fedora repos, (download.fedora.redhat.com) as well as repositories > pointing to 12linux.mesd.k12.or.us. Do I really need both? Will base > fedora packages be updated from one and K12LTSP specific packages from > the other? Or could I just have the k12 repo and be done with it? > > As for the move to Legacy, I've updated my fedora repos to point to the > legacy locations (download.fedoralegacy.org) instead. Do I need to > change anything with the k12ltsp repos? Do I even need to keep them? > Or will security updates to legacy find their way to the k12ltsp repos > and I could just have those and not have to change anything? > > Sorry I'm so clueless. I'm just not clear on where updates come from. > The K12LTSP repo includes the Fedora Legacy updates. The duplication is intentional. You could remove the fedora repos, but then you run the risk of the K12LTSP repos not being updated in a timely fashion (rarely has the K12LTSP repos been more than 1 day out of date). With both repos enabled, if the K12LTSP repository is not updated in a timely fashion, the update will be picked up by the Fedora repo. Of course, as you note, the FC3 Fedora repo is now stale and needs to be pointed to the FC3 Fedora Legacy repo. I need to update a package and add it to the K12LTSP repository so that will happen automatically. Just have not got around to it yet ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I tried to:yum install xorg-x11-Xnest on the Centos-based version and got: http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.2.3EL-32bit/updates/xorg-x11-Xnest-6.8. 2-1.EL.13.20.i386.rpm: [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found Is something missing? -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Feb 15 18:00:37 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:00:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Changes re FC3 moved to Legacy In-Reply-To: <1140025989.28080.69.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D73D@MAILBE2.westat.com> <43F3643D.2090909@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1140025989.28080.69.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <43F36C45.8060705@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Les Mikesell wrote: > Speaking of yum repositories... > > I tried to:yum install xorg-x11-Xnest on the Centos-based version > and got: > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.2.3EL-32bit/updates/xorg-x11-Xnest-6.8. 2-1.EL.13.20.i386.rpm: [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found > > Is something missing? > That is the wrong directory. Looks like your meta data cache is stale. Try clearing your cache and see if the problem goes away: yum clean all yum upgrade -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From les at futuresource.com Wed Feb 15 18:08:36 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:08:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Changes re FC3 moved to Legacy In-Reply-To: <43F36C45.8060705@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D73D@MAILBE2.westat.com> <43F3643D.2090909@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1140025989.28080.69.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <43F36C45.8060705@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1140026916.28080.79.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 12:00, Eric Harrison wrote: > > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.2.3EL-32bit/updates/xorg-x11-Xnest-6.8. 2-1.EL.13.20.i386.rpm: [Errno 4] IOError: HTTP Error 404: Not Found > > > > Is something missing? > > > > That is the wrong directory. Looks like your meta data cache is stale. > Try clearing your cache and see if the problem goes away: > > yum clean all > yum upgrade > Yes, that fixed it. Thanks! -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Wed Feb 15 18:56:23 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:56:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] YUM upgrade errors Message-ID: <20060215135623.vtp0g2wqgw0kg0g4@neatmail.unh.edu> All, I am trying to do yum upgrade. Everything is fine until after the transaction test which then yields the following error: Transaction Check Error: file /etc/named.conf conflicts between attempted installs of caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-4.k12ltsp.4.4.2 and caching-nameserver-7.3-4.FC4 file /var/named/named.broadcast conflicts between attempted installs of caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-4.k12ltsp.4.4.2 and caching-nameserver-7.3-4.FC4 file /var/named/named.ip6.local conflicts between attempted installs of caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-4.k12ltsp.4.4.2 and caching-nameserver-7.3-4.FC4 file /var/named/named.local conflicts between attempted installs of caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-4.k12ltsp.4.4.2 and caching-nameserver-7.3-4.FC4 file /var/named/named.zero conflicts between attempted installs of caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-4.k12ltsp.4.4.2 and caching-nameserver-7.3-4.FC4 I understand what it says but I don't know why this would occur if I am just doing a system wide upgrade. Any clues? -Paul From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Feb 15 19:49:54 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:49:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Totem player problem Message-ID: <7fffba804020.8040207fffba@texas.rr.com> So that makes two of us that need to know how to fix it. Hopefully someone who knows how will inform us. ----- Original Message ----- From: Petre Scheie Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:35 am Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Totem player problem > For the record, totem has never worked for me, either. > > Petre > > jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > I am using K12LTSP-4.4.1 > > > > System is AMD Athalon 1gig processor with 1.5 gig RAM > > > > I yum installed Totem > > > > When I start Totem player it blinks on and then back off and I > get the > > following error message: > > Totem could not startup Resource busy or not available. > > > > I typed rpm -q totem and got back totem-1.0.4-1 > > > > > > What do I need to do to make this player work correctly? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > Pat > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Feb 15 20:09:34 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:09:34 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] parse from shell comand Message-ID: How can I make a script that would parse a line in the passwd file to return the full name of a user instead of outputting the entire line? purpose: I have logins logged and it sends the login name to a log and it uses the %U (logins via samba to a samba PDC) in the log. To my knowlege, there is no way to make it return the full name so I want to take the %U and run it through grep or something so it takes the username, finds it in /etc/passwd and returns the full name to be entered into the log instead of the username. Cornfussed, yet? Thanks! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From petre at maltzen.net Wed Feb 15 20:17:12 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:17:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] parse from shell comand In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43F38C48.4030405@maltzen.net> for x in do echo $x grep $x /etc/passwd|cut -d: -f5 done This will give you the ID and the full name associated with it, assuming it's in the fifth field of /etc/passwd. could be a file, in which case the syntax would be for x in `cat file_with_IDs` do echo $x grep $x /etc/passwd|cut -d: -f5 done Petre Doug Simpson wrote: > How can I make a script that would parse a line in the passwd file to > return the full name of a user instead of outputting the entire line? > > purpose: I have logins logged and it sends the login name to a log and it > uses the %U (logins via samba to a samba PDC) in the log. To my knowlege, > there is no way to make it return the full name so I want to take the %U > and run it through grep or something so it takes the username, finds it in > /etc/passwd and returns the full name to be entered into the log instead > of the username. > > Cornfussed, yet? > > Thanks! > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Wed Feb 15 20:00:25 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:00:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Totem player problem In-Reply-To: <7fffba804020.8040207fffba@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <200602152030.k1FKUfX3003104@mx1.redhat.com> Make sure you have totem-xine installed versus totem-gstreamer -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 2:50 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Totem player problem So that makes two of us that need to know how to fix it. Hopefully someone who knows how will inform us. ----- Original Message ----- From: Petre Scheie Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:35 am Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Totem player problem > For the record, totem has never worked for me, either. > > Petre > > jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > I am using K12LTSP-4.4.1 > > > > System is AMD Athalon 1gig processor with 1.5 gig RAM > > > > I yum installed Totem > > > > When I start Totem player it blinks on and then back off and I > get the > > following error message: > > Totem could not startup Resource busy or not available. > > > > I typed rpm -q totem and got back totem-1.0.4-1 > > > > > > What do I need to do to make this player work correctly? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > Pat > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Feb 15 20:55:24 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:55:24 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] parse from shell comand In-Reply-To: <43F38C48.4030405@maltzen.net> References: <43F38C48.4030405@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Thanks so much! With a bit of hammering, I was able to get it to do exactly what I wanted. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > for x in > do > echo $x > grep $x /etc/passwd|cut -d: -f5 > done > > This will give you the ID and the full name associated with it, assuming it's in the > fifth field of /etc/passwd. could be a file, in which case the > syntax would be > > for x in `cat file_with_IDs` > do > echo $x > grep $x /etc/passwd|cut -d: -f5 > done > > Petre > > Doug Simpson wrote: > > How can I make a script that would parse a line in the passwd file to > > return the full name of a user instead of outputting the entire line? > > > > purpose: I have logins logged and it sends the login name to a log and it > > uses the %U (logins via samba to a samba PDC) in the log. To my knowlege, > > there is no way to make it return the full name so I want to take the %U > > and run it through grep or something so it takes the username, finds it in > > /etc/passwd and returns the full name to be entered into the log instead > > of the username. > > > > Cornfussed, yet? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > DeQueen Public Schools > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > Tux for President! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Feb 15 21:14:16 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:14:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] parse from shell comand In-Reply-To: <43F38C48.4030405@maltzen.net> References: <43F38C48.4030405@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Hi Petre, I asked you earlier about the parsing the /etc/passwd file and you helped me tremendously! While I do log logins via samba, my server also uses festival to verbally announce logins. I reconfigured it using the grep line you gave me in a creative way and now it states the user's full name, what machine they logged into and what server. (server is redundant, but it is in there anyway. . .) Now, instead of festival trying to pronounce (in-coherently) the cryptic username, it states the full name as listed in the /etc/passwd file. Also, it logs the user in the login.log with their full name instead of their cryptic login name. SUPPER-DEE-DUPER! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > for x in > do > echo $x > grep $x /etc/passwd|cut -d: -f5 > done > > This will give you the ID and the full name associated with it, assuming it's in the > fifth field of /etc/passwd. could be a file, in which case the > syntax would be > > for x in `cat file_with_IDs` > do > echo $x > grep $x /etc/passwd|cut -d: -f5 > done > > Petre > > Doug Simpson wrote: > > How can I make a script that would parse a line in the passwd file to > > return the full name of a user instead of outputting the entire line? > > > > purpose: I have logins logged and it sends the login name to a log and it > > uses the %U (logins via samba to a samba PDC) in the log. To my knowlege, > > there is no way to make it return the full name so I want to take the %U > > and run it through grep or something so it takes the username, finds it in > > /etc/passwd and returns the full name to be entered into the log instead > > of the username. > > > > Cornfussed, yet? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > DeQueen Public Schools > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > Tux for President! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Wed Feb 15 21:26:20 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:26:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] parse from shell comand In-Reply-To: References: <43F38C48.4030405@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43F39C7C.1060702@maltzen.net> That's cool! Why do you have it announce logins? Just because you can? (which is as good a reason as any ;-) ) Doug Simpson wrote: > Hi Petre, > > I asked you earlier about the parsing the /etc/passwd file and you helped > me tremendously! > > While I do log logins via samba, my server also uses festival to verbally > announce logins. I reconfigured it using the grep line you gave me in a > creative way and now it states the user's full name, what machine they > logged into and what server. (server is redundant, but it is in there > anyway. . .) > > Now, instead of festival trying to pronounce (in-coherently) the cryptic > username, it states the full name as listed in the /etc/passwd file. > > Also, it logs the user in the login.log with their full name instead of > their cryptic login name. > > SUPPER-DEE-DUPER! > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > >> for x in >> do >> echo $x >> grep $x /etc/passwd|cut -d: -f5 >> done >> >> This will give you the ID and the full name associated with it, assuming it's in the >> fifth field of /etc/passwd. could be a file, in which case the >> syntax would be >> >> for x in `cat file_with_IDs` >> do >> echo $x >> grep $x /etc/passwd|cut -d: -f5 >> done >> >> Petre >> >> Doug Simpson wrote: >>> How can I make a script that would parse a line in the passwd file to >>> return the full name of a user instead of outputting the entire line? >>> >>> purpose: I have logins logged and it sends the login name to a log and it >>> uses the %U (logins via samba to a samba PDC) in the log. To my knowlege, >>> there is no way to make it return the full name so I want to take the %U >>> and run it through grep or something so it takes the username, finds it in >>> /etc/passwd and returns the full name to be entered into the log instead >>> of the username. >>> >>> Cornfussed, yet? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Doug Simpson >>> Technology Specialist >>> DeQueen Public Schools >>> DeQueen, AR 71832 >>> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> Tux for President! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From julius at turtle.com Wed Feb 15 22:04:20 2006 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:04:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12OSN - restricting dynamic dhcp to some devices Message-ID: Dear Folks, I am running a closed dhcpd, that is all the addresses are preassigned. The reason for it is to not allow in unknown laptops. It worked well, until I went with IP phones. They require dhcp lease on the default vlan, then release it and go to their own vlan. The problem is that I cant just assign 15 addresses (all that I have available) to 120 phones - dhcpd just says "no free leases", so Iwas forced to open those 15 addresses to all takers. How do I set the dhcpd.conf to allow only the phones to get addresses? The first 6 bytes of mac addresses are same, the vendor string is null. tia julius From lists.john at gmail.com Wed Feb 15 22:41:22 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:41:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12OSN - restricting dynamic dhcp to some devices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2be970b50602151441j520c0e8t82165f6affd92950@mail.gmail.com> Hi Julius, Sorry if I am missing the point of your questions but how about creating a custom scope for the mac addresses of IP phones? If that's in the ballpark, here's a little bit of background reading: http://www.cpqlinux.com/dhcpd.html http://www.daemon-systems.org/man/dhcpd.conf.5.html John On 2/15/06, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Dear Folks, > I am running a closed dhcpd, that is all the addresses are > preassigned. The reason for it is to not allow in unknown laptops. It > worked well, until I went with IP phones. They require dhcp lease on the > default vlan, then release it and go to their own vlan. The problem is > that I cant just assign 15 addresses (all that I have available) to 120 > phones - dhcpd just says "no free leases", so Iwas forced to open those 15 > addresses to all takers. > How do I set the dhcpd.conf to allow only the phones to get > addresses? The first 6 bytes of mac addresses are same, the vendor string > is null. > tia julius > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From veewee77 at alltel.net Wed Feb 15 23:44:57 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:44:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] parse from shell comand In-Reply-To: <43F39C7C.1060702@maltzen.net> References: <43F38C48.4030405@maltzen.net> <43F39C7C.1060702@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43F3BCF9.50007@alltel.net> Petre Scheie wrote: > That's cool! Why do you have it announce logins? Just because you > can? (which is as good a reason as any ;-) ) Because I can, and it is cool. . . Also, for a "verbal subliminal security" thing. Users aren't supposed to login on more than one computer and I can tell when that happens this way just in passing. . . After a while, you get know who is supposed to be loggin in and who's logging in twice, etc. . . 'sides, it impresses people when yhey walk into the server room (my office) and hear the server talking. . . Doug > > Doug Simpson wrote: > >> Hi Petre, >> >> I asked you earlier about the parsing the /etc/passwd file and you >> helped me tremendously! >> >> While I do log logins via samba, my server also uses festival to >> verbally announce logins. I reconfigured it using the grep line you >> gave me in a creative way and now it states the user's full name, >> what machine they logged into and what server. (server is redundant, >> but it is in there anyway. . .) >> >> Now, instead of festival trying to pronounce (in-coherently) the >> cryptic username, it states the full name as listed in the >> /etc/passwd file. >> >> Also, it logs the user in the login.log with their full name instead >> of their cryptic login name. >> >> SUPPER-DEE-DUPER! >> >> Doug Simpson >> Technology Specialist >> DeQueen Public Schools >> DeQueen, AR 71832 >> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >> Tux for President! >> >> On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>> for x in >>> do >>> echo $x >>> grep $x /etc/passwd|cut -d: -f5 >>> done >>> >>> This will give you the ID and the full name associated with it, >>> assuming it's in the fifth field of /etc/passwd. >> IDs> could be a file, in which case the syntax would be >>> >>> for x in `cat file_with_IDs` >>> do >>> echo $x >>> grep $x /etc/passwd|cut -d: -f5 >>> done >>> >>> Petre >>> >>> Doug Simpson wrote: >>> >>>> How can I make a script that would parse a line in the passwd file >>>> to return the full name of a user instead of outputting the entire >>>> line? >>>> >>>> purpose: I have logins logged and it sends the login name to a log >>>> and it uses the %U (logins via samba to a samba PDC) in the log. >>>> To my knowlege, there is no way to make it return the full name so >>>> I want to take the %U and run it through grep or something so it >>>> takes the username, finds it in /etc/passwd and returns the full >>>> name to be entered into the log instead of the username. >>>> >>>> Cornfussed, yet? >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> Doug Simpson >>>> Technology Specialist >>>> DeQueen Public Schools >>>> DeQueen, AR 71832 >>>> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>>> Tux for President! >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Wed Feb 15 23:58:56 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:58:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Blocking users from printing to network printer In-Reply-To: <43F26FE0.5090703@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43F2499C.2010707@maehlum.net> <43F26FE0.5090703@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On 2/14/06, Dan Young wrote: > You are running CUPS in a fashion, if you used system-config-printer. > Take a look at this sample chapter from Carla Schroder's Linux Cookbook > (published by O'Reilly). Recipe 14.9 covers restricting print queues to > certain users. > > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxckbk/chapter/ch14.pdf > > Short story: Sounds like you're looking for the AllowUser/DenyUser > parameters in /etc/cups/printers.conf Thanks Dan and Trond. It's working great now. I used lpadmin to edit printers.conf as the cookbook specified. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From ksoftconsulting at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 00:36:33 2006 From: ksoftconsulting at gmail.com (Keith Olson) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:36:33 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN]MSNTV Cluster Message-ID: <43F3C911.6000007@gmail.com> Hi, everybody. I've pretty much given up on setting up my own LTSP setup, but I still lurk here off and on. I subscribe to hackaday.com and they recently posted a link to a site where a guy has hacked a MSNTV 2(http://www.webtv.com/pc/) to run a Linux cluster(http://mirror.toc2rta.com/index.php/Main_Page). It struck me that such a cluster could possibly make a /great/, cheap app server and the individual boxes could be used for terminals. -- Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 01:41:14 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:41:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NX problem Message-ID: <9bd317560602151741p264620dcub61666fd71b159b1@mail.gmail.com> I have a problem using NX sometimes. Once and a while when I try to log on it gets stuck loading the window manager. I'm using Gnome with NX. Specifically it get's stuck on the splash screen where it show icons for the services that are starting. I've tried restarting sshd which usually resolves any authorization problems and I *seem* to remember starting and stopping the nxserver. I'm wondering if anyone has come up against this problem and if so, did you resolve it? I haven't tried Gideons new one yet. Thanks, Peter From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 02:38:00 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:38:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: NX problem In-Reply-To: <9bd317560602151741p264620dcub61666fd71b159b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560602151741p264620dcub61666fd71b159b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560602151838h609e703k796e43e8b4a3b597@mail.gmail.com> I forgot to mention that it happens to one user at a time and so far the only thing i can do is reboot the server to remedy it. P On 2/15/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I have a problem using NX sometimes. Once and a while when I try to > log on it gets stuck loading the window manager. I'm using Gnome with > NX. Specifically it get's stuck on the splash screen where it show > icons for the services that are starting. I've tried restarting > sshd which usually resolves any authorization problems and I *seem* to > remember starting and stopping the nxserver. I'm wondering if anyone > has come up against this problem and if so, did you resolve it? I > haven't tried Gideons new one yet. > > > Thanks, > Peter > From dackerman at apnts.org Thu Feb 16 06:35:47 2006 From: dackerman at apnts.org (David Ackerman) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:35:47 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 24, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001101c632c3$39f4bdb0$fa00a8c0@DAGATEWAY> Thanks for the information. I have run the scripts below. This solved the problem of the screen locking. Another question: How can I make it so that the desktop automatically logs off after a set time after a person leaves? I would like it so that if a person forgets to logout, the computer does it for them (like MS Windows). Thus, after an "X" amount of time, the original K12LTSP login screen appears, not the screen saver locked screen. The problem with the old system (default setup), a new person could not change the login name if the old person left and allowed the screen to lock. A new person could only put in the password, which is a problem with user accounts. A person would have to reset the computer (ctrl-alt-backspace). That is ok, just takes a few minutes to boot back up. David -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:07 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 24, Issue 1 On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, William Fragakis wrote: > iirc, you also need to edit the file > > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver.ltsp > > I may be totally wrong on this but this file is for the clients, the other for > the server. Editing this one seems to do it for us. > > regards, > William /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver.ltsp is a backup of the stock/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver. The XScreenSaver file is modified by the K12LTSP intialization scripts. -Eric > On Feb 1, 2006, at 11:40 AM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > >> Message: 26 >> Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:09:24 -0500 >> From: Mike Lichtenwalner >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Screensaver Login Problem >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> Message-ID: <43E0DD34.6070700 at mtwp.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> David Ackerman wrote: >>> 1. I am having problems with screensaver locking: >> >> You could turn off the locking mechanism on the screensaver. Eric posted >> this in August: >> >> I'm guessing that if you edit: >> >> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver >> >> >> and change the "*lock:" and "*lockVTs:" entries from: >> >> *lock: True >> *lockVTs: False >> >> to: >> >> *lock: False >> *lockVTs: True >> >> >> >> Mike _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Thu Feb 16 12:36:16 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 06:36:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] XF86Config-4 setup question Message-ID: <51852.216.24.126.68.1140093376.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Hello List, Ive done a complete read on the XF86Config-4 man pages ,but im still not sure were this config file is suppose to reside on K12LTSP. I m trying to get video on Imac Indigo client boxes. I have edited the default XF86Config-4.indigo file to reflect our server IP address. I have the XF86COnfig-4.indigo file residing in the default /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc folder. I have a section in the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc lts.conf file with the following comments: [ws012] XSERVER = r128 XF86CONFIG_FILE = XF86Config-4.indigo X4_MODULE_01 = glx SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = "esd" VOLUME = 99 SMODULE_01 = "soundcore.o" SMODULE_02 = "dmasound_pmac.o" SMODULE_03 = "dmasound_core.o" I never see when the client boots up,anything in regards to trying to load the .indigo file? The client is getting the correct IP address that have for it in the dhcp.conf file. ALso I am getting the sound card initilized correctly,and when booting up i get the "Accepting connections on port 16001", or whatever port sound daemon comes through. I get sound waves in xmms player from sample sounds but no output through the speakers. I have attached external speakers ,as well, so i know i am getting plenty of volume. Has anyone had this scenario? Thanks for any input. Barry Cisna From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Thu Feb 16 14:49:25 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:49:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] YUM Upgrade Errors Message-ID: <200602161520.k1GFK6vh010018@mx1.redhat.com> All, I posted this yesterday with no reply so I am reposting it. It is an error that is restricting me from updating my K12LTSP box. The message I sent is below. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- All, I am trying to do yum upgrade. Everything is fine until after the transaction test which then yields the following error: Transaction Check Error: file /etc/named.conf conflicts between attempted installs of caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-4.k12ltsp.4.4.2 and caching-nameserver-7.3-4.FC4 file /var/named/named.broadcast conflicts between attempted installs of caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-4.k12ltsp.4.4.2 and caching-nameserver-7.3-4.FC4 file /var/named/named.ip6.local conflicts between attempted installs of caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-4.k12ltsp.4.4.2 and caching-nameserver-7.3-4.FC4 file /var/named/named.local conflicts between attempted installs of caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-4.k12ltsp.4.4.2 and caching-nameserver-7.3-4.FC4 file /var/named/named.zero conflicts between attempted installs of caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-4.k12ltsp.4.4.2 and caching-nameserver-7.3-4.FC4 I understand what it says but I don't know why this would occur if I am just doing a system upgrade. Any clues? -Paul ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- I did do 'yum clean' then tried 'yum upgrade' again without any success. Thanks in advance. -Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Feb 16 16:18:20 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:18:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] XF86Config-4 setup question In-Reply-To: <51852.216.24.126.68.1140093376.squirrel@216.24.126.68> References: <51852.216.24.126.68.1140093376.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: <20060216161713.M33499@winonacotter.org> > [ws012] > XSERVER = r128 > XF86CONFIG_FILE = XF86Config-4.indigo Have you tried: XF86CONFIG_FILE = /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/XF86Config-4.indigo -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Thu Feb 16 18:47:11 2006 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:47:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] yum update error Message-ID: <60979.199.216.98.50.1140115631.squirrel@199.216.98.50> I have already done yum clean all That seemed to work. But I still get this error. Is there trouble on the repository end, or is it with my system? Joe Guenther = = = = error text = = = = = = = = = = = [root at ltsp ~]# yum clean all Cleaning up Everything 379 headers removed 194 packages removed 10 metadata files removed 5 cache files removed [root at ltsp ~]# yum update Setting up Update Process Setting up Repos k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 extras 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.0 MB 00:01 MD Read : ################################################## 3426/3426 k12ltsp : ################################################## 2894/2894 primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.3 kB 00:00 MD Read : ################################################## 5/5 webmin : ################################################## 5/5 primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 797 kB 00:00 MD Read : ################################################## 2623/2623 base : ################################################## 2622/2622 primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 342 kB 00:00 MD Read : ################################################## 910/910 updates-re: ################################################## 910/910 primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 745 kB 00:00 MD Read : ################################################## 2115/2115 extras : ################################################## 2115/2115 Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for openldap to pack into transaction set. openldap-2.2.29-1.FC3.i38 100% |=========================| 239 kB 00:00 http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.2.1/updates/openldap-2.2.29-1.FC3.i386.rpm: [Errno -1] Header is not complete. Trying other mirror. Error: failure: updates/openldap-2.2.29-1.FC3.i386.rpm from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. From henryhartley at westat.com Thu Feb 16 19:13:02 2006 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:13:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Changes re FC3 moved to Legacy Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D74E@MAILBE2.westat.com> On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 12:26 PM Eric Harrison said: >> >> Henry Hartley wrote: >> > As for the move to Legacy, I've updated my fedora repos to point >> > to the legacy locations (download.fedoralegacy.org) instead. Do >> > I need to change anything with the k12ltsp repos? Do I even >> > need to keep them? Or will security updates to legacy find their >> > way to the k12ltsp repos and I could just have those and not >> > have to change anything? >> >> The K12LTSP repo includes the Fedora Legacy updates. The >> duplication is intentional. >> >> You could remove the fedora repos, but then you run the risk of >> the K12LTSP repos not being updated in a timely fashion (rarely >> has the 12LTSP repos been more than 1 day out of date). With both >> repos enabled, if the K12LTSP repository is not updated in a >> timely fashion, the update will be picked up by the Fedora repo. That's what I sort of suspected but I just wanted to be sure. >> Of course, as you note, the FC3 Fedora repo is now stale and >> needs to be pointed to the FC3 Fedora Legacy repo. I need to >> update a package and add it to the K12LTSP repository so that >> will happen automatically. Just have not got around to it yet >> ;-) No worries. And thanks again for all your great work. Also, I see that the Fedora Legacy folks are working on making it so this change is more automatic for everyone in future releases, which is nice. -- Henry From jam at mcquil.com Thu Feb 16 19:28:22 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:28:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Interesting article abount firefox memory usage Message-ID: <43F4D256.70809@McQuil.com> Hey guys, there's an excellent blog entry about firefox's memory usage, and a clue at how to make it better. http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/ben/archives/009749.html What's especially interesting is that their algorithm doesn't take into consideration the idea that multiple users might be running firefox on the same machine (LTSP Server), so they are caching way too many pages, and consuming way too much ram for us LTSP people. I'm thinking that setting 'browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewers' to either 0 or 1 is the I'm still running firefox 1.0.4 on my server, and I don't see that config item in 'about:config', so maybe it's new for 1.5. Anyway, Just thought i'd point you all to this article. It might help some. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Thu Feb 16 20:03:20 2006 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:03:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Interesting article abount firefox memory usage In-Reply-To: <43F4D256.70809@McQuil.com> References: <43F4D256.70809@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <1140120200.4432.1.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 14:28 -0500, Jim McQuillan wrote: > I'm thinking that setting 'browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewers' to > either 0 or 1 is the > > I'm still running firefox 1.0.4 on my server, and I don't see that > config item in 'about:config', so maybe it's new for 1.5. > "1 - 1.07 had GREAT performance, did it not use the same algorithm? No, the back-forward cache it's a new feature of 1.5, so the same algorithm isn't possible." So it seems the 1.0 series doesn't need to worry about this issue. 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McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us From andy at spitcomp.com Thu Feb 16 22:40:03 2006 From: andy at spitcomp.com (Andrew Fisk) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:40:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - school financial/accounting software In-Reply-To: <20060216132610.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.32dc53e6d1.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20060216132610.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.32dc53e6d1.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: did you take a look at SQL ledger -- it's free, fairly easy to install and comes with templates for all kinds of businesses -- I don't know if they set one up for schools, but it's a quick download to find out. If google is to be believed, it looks like schools in the uk are using or evaluating it -- they may already have the customizations done. Of course you would have to work in pounds :) The folks at http://enomalism.com/Home.home.0.htmlbelived Might be able to help you out if you needed some customization (and I bet it would be less than 50k). Thanks Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Feb 16, 2006, at 3:26 PM, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Does anyone use an opensource school accounting/book keeping > application. We are looking at upgrading our current software, > McAleer > School Accounting, and I would love to consider something opensource. > The upgrade is going to cost us $50,000.00! > > > Thanks, > > Ron > > > Ronald R. 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URL: From cliebow at midmaine.com Fri Feb 17 00:34:47 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:34:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] XF86Config-4 setup question In-Reply-To: <20060216161713.M33499@winonacotter.org> References: <51852.216.24.126.68.1140093376.squirrel@216.24.126.68> <20060216161713.M33499@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <36339.70.33.151.214.1140136487.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Jim: that path wouldnt fly would it if the client actually sees /etc/XF86Config-4.indigo? chuck >> [ws012] >> XSERVER = r128 >> XF86CONFIG_FILE = XF86Config-4.indigo > > Have you tried: > > XF86CONFIG_FILE = /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/XF86Config-4.indigo > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redh at.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Feb 17 00:19:09 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:19:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] YUM Upgrade Errors In-Reply-To: <200602161520.k1GFK6vh010018@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200602161520.k1GFK6vh010018@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <43F5167D.8040800@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > I posted this yesterday with no reply so I am reposting it. It is an error > that is restricting me from updating my K12LTSP box. The message I sent is > below. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > All, > > I am trying to do yum upgrade. Everything is fine until after the > transaction test which then yields the following error: > > Transaction Check Error: file /etc/named.conf conflicts between > > attempted installs of > > caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-4.k12ltsp.4.4.2 and caching-nameserver-7.3-4.FC4 > file /var/named/named.broadcast conflicts between attempted installs of > > caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-4.k12ltsp.4.4.2 and caching-nameserver-7.3-4.FC4 > file /var/named/named.ip6.local conflicts between attempted installs of > > caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-4.k12ltsp.4.4.2 and caching-nameserver-7.3-4.FC4 > file /var/named/named.local conflicts between attempted installs of > > caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-4.k12ltsp.4.4.2 and caching-nameserver-7.3-4.FC4 > file /var/named/named.zero conflicts between attempted installs of > > caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-4.k12ltsp.4.4.2 and caching-nameserver-7.3-4.FC4 > > I understand what it says but I don't know why this would occur if I am just > doing a system upgrade. Any clues? > > -Paul > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > > I did do 'yum clean' then tried 'yum upgrade' again without any success. > Thanks in advance. > > -Paul > > Try this: yum remove caching-nameserver-ltsp caching-nameserver yum install k12ltsp-core -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Feb 17 00:28:09 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:28:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update error In-Reply-To: <60979.199.216.98.50.1140115631.squirrel@199.216.98.50> References: <60979.199.216.98.50.1140115631.squirrel@199.216.98.50> Message-ID: <43F51899.9090200@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Joe Guenther wrote: > I have already done > yum clean all > > That seemed to work. But I still get this error. Is there trouble on the > repository end, or is it with my system? > > Joe Guenther > > = = = = error text = = = = = = = = = = = > [root at ltsp ~]# yum clean all > Cleaning up Everything > 379 headers removed > 194 packages removed > 10 metadata files removed > 5 cache files removed > [root at ltsp ~]# yum update > Setting up Update Process > Setting up Repos > k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > extras 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > Reading repository metadata in from local files > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.0 MB 00:01 > MD Read : ################################################## 3426/3426 > k12ltsp : ################################################## 2894/2894 > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.3 kB 00:00 > MD Read : ################################################## 5/5 > webmin : ################################################## 5/5 > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 797 kB 00:00 > MD Read : ################################################## 2623/2623 > base : ################################################## 2622/2622 > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 342 kB 00:00 > MD Read : ################################################## 910/910 > updates-re: ################################################## 910/910 > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 745 kB 00:00 > MD Read : ################################################## 2115/2115 > extras : ################################################## 2115/2115 > Resolving Dependencies > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Downloading header for openldap to pack into transaction set. > openldap-2.2.29-1.FC3.i38 100% |=========================| 239 kB 00:00 > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.2.1/updates/openldap-2.2.29-1.FC3.i386.rpm: > [Errno -1] Header is not complete. > Trying other mirror. > Error: failure: updates/openldap-2.2.29-1.FC3.i386.rpm from k12ltsp: > [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. > > > I don't see anything that is obviously wrong from my end. I rebuilt the repository, just in case I missed something. Try running yum clean all & yum upgrade again... -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Worked for me in LTSP3.xx for i386 so should work for ppc? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From accessys at smart.net Fri Feb 17 01:23:24 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:23:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT - school financial/accounting software In-Reply-To: <20060216132610.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.32dc53e6d1.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20060216132610.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.32dc53e6d1.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: with a little fine tuning GnuCash works well. Bob On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Does anyone use an opensource school accounting/book keeping > application. We are looking at upgrading our current software, McAleer > School Accounting, and I would love to consider something opensource. > The upgrade is going to cost us $50,000.00! > > > Thanks, > > Ron > > > Ronald R. 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From petre at maltzen.net Fri Feb 17 03:55:23 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:55:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux & Lefse: The North Central Linux Symposium (NCLS) Message-ID: <43F5492B.30409@maltzen.net> All- Everyone here is invited to join bunch of us from around the upper midwest for a conference we're calling the North Central Linux Symposium, to be held June 15 & 16 in St. Louis Park, a Minneapolis suburb (because that's where I live). Although the title says Linux, the focus is on LTSP and K12LTSP. The first day, called "Tuxlabs for Schools" will be a series of presentations about K12LTSP by people from this list. The audience for this day is all the schools in Minnesota: we'll be mailing out flyers to all the public school districts and all the private schools in the state. The point is to pitch K12LTSP to those who probably just don't know about it--and hopefully grow the size of this mailing list a bit. ;-) The second day, called "Advanced Topics in LTSP" will feature Jim McQuillan and Scott Balneaves and will be more about LTSP in general (as opposed to the first day's focus on K12LTSP). We're calling it Advanced Topics to steer the newcomers toward the first day. They're welcome to come the second day, but I don't want to have to spend a lot of time that day just explaining how LTSP works or what a distro is, etc. BTW, if anyone would be willing to come give a talk on the second day about LDAP/Samba integration, drop me line. Mostly, this is an excuse for a bunch of us to get together face to face, and it should be a lot of fun. But we figured we might as well do some 'evangelizing' while we're at it. More information can be found at www.nclinux.net. The conference, like the software, is free, but you'll have to make your own eating and sleeping arrangements (we don't have a dormitory like NELS). If you plan to come, please fill out the registration form on the website which is there just to help us get an idea of how many people to expect. You can reply to me on- or off-list if you have any questions. Thanks. Hope to see you there. And I will bring lefse at least one day. ;-) Petre Scheie From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Feb 17 04:08:27 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:08:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Totem player problem In-Reply-To: <200602152030.k1FKUfX3003104@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200602152030.k1FKUfX3003104@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <43F54C3B.6030406@elp.rr.com> Do I need to uninstall totem-gstreamer first and what effect will that have on other players? Is their a particular good place to get Totem player and which version is best, from since the rpm one seems to have a problem? Thanks PAt Paul VanGundy wrote: >Make sure you have totem-xine installed versus totem-gstreamer > >-Paul > >-- >Paul VanGundy >Information Technology Director >Epping High School >Epping Middle School >P: 603.679.5472 >F: 603.679.2966 >vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us >Registered Linux User #398783 > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf >Of jconlon1 at elp.rr.com >Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 2:50 PM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Totem player problem > >So that makes two of us that need to know how to fix it. Hopefully someone >who knows how will inform us. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Petre Scheie >Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:35 am >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Totem player problem > > > >>For the record, totem has never worked for me, either. >> >>Petre >> >>jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: >> >> >>>I am using K12LTSP-4.4.1 >>> >>>System is AMD Athalon 1gig processor with 1.5 gig RAM >>> >>>I yum installed Totem >>> >>>When I start Totem player it blinks on and then back off and I >>> >>> >>get the >> >> >>>following error message: >>>Totem could not startup Resource busy or not available. >>> >>>I typed rpm -q totem and got back totem-1.0.4-1 >>> >>> >>>What do I need to do to make this player work correctly? >>> >>>Thanks in advance. >>>Pat >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norm.hanna at gmail.com Fri Feb 17 12:12:12 2006 From: norm.hanna at gmail.com (norm hanna) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:12:12 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] sound using esd does not work on 4.4.1 Message-ID: <229768c70602170412w55529e97g79c462ec2685c74@mail.gmail.com> Sorry for going over this again, but I have a sound issue on the clients (which is the driving factor towards moving to 4.4.1) In the test thjn client, I am having difficulties with sound using esd and gnome under version 4.4.1. The test server was built by taking all the defaults in the 4.4.1 installation. I have also tried with all defaults and yum -y upgrade with exact same results. Both the thin client and the server have the same sound integrated i810_audio. When I log into the thin client as root, sound works well under xmms, rhythmbox (with gstreamer-plugins), gstreamer-properties, sounds from the sound server under gnome, etc.....even the volume controls show up. esdplay /usr/share/sounds/phone.wav works well. using "tcpdump | grep 16001" on the server console when running the command esdplay /usr/share/sounds/phone.wav on the thin clien , I see a lot of activity. but when I login as any user, nothing works. using gstreamer-properties, when I test esd, nothing. esdplay /usr/share/sounds/phone.wav, nothing. I do not get errors from esdplay, gstreamer-properties test returns "failed to construct test pipeline for "ESD - Enlightenment Sound Daemon" "tcpdump | grep 16001" does not return any activity. I think this is a rights issue, or setup of esd, but I am unable to locate / or solve the issue. Any help, guidence would be appreciated. I thank you in advance for any assistance solving this issue, norm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Feb 17 12:25:12 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:25:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Totem player problem In-Reply-To: <43F54C3B.6030406@elp.rr.com> References: <200602152030.k1FKUfX3003104@mx1.redhat.com> <43F54C3B.6030406@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <1140179113.1759.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Pat, You shouldn't need to uninstall totem-gstreamer as it should uninstall it during the totem-xine install because it is a conflicting package. However, if it doesn't automatically remove it then yes you need to remove totem-gstreamer. As far as getting Totem I would yum/apt-get (depends on the distro you are using) install it. Same with totem-xine, you should yum/apt-get the package. -Paul On Thu, 2006-02-16 at 21:08 -0700, John P. Conlon wrote: > Do I need to uninstall totem-gstreamer first and what effect will that > have on other players? Is their a particular good place to get Totem > player and which version is best, from since the rpm one seems to have > a problem? > Thanks > PAt > > Paul VanGundy wrote: > > Make sure you have totem-xine installed versus totem-gstreamer > > > > -Paul > > > > -- > > Paul VanGundy > > Information Technology Director > > Epping High School > > Epping Middle School > > P: 603.679.5472 > > F: 603.679.2966 > > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > Registered Linux User #398783 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > > Of jconlon1 at elp.rr.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 2:50 PM > > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Totem player problem > > > > So that makes two of us that need to know how to fix it. Hopefully someone > > who knows how will inform us. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Petre Scheie > > Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:35 am > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Totem player problem > > > > > > > For the record, totem has never worked for me, either. > > > > > > Petre > > > > > > jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > > > > > > > I am using K12LTSP-4.4.1 > > > > > > > > System is AMD Athalon 1gig processor with 1.5 gig RAM > > > > > > > > I yum installed Totem > > > > > > > > When I start Totem player it blinks on and then back off and I > > > > > > > get the > > > > > > > following error message: > > > > Totem could not startup Resource busy or not available. > > > > > > > > I typed rpm -q totem and got back totem-1.0.4-1 > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I need to do to make this player work correctly? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rkasson at gmail.com Fri Feb 17 14:17:16 2006 From: rkasson at gmail.com (Richard Kasson) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:17:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting Floppy Message-ID: Is there a how-to anywhere that explains how to mount a floppy drive for multiple users. I'm running K12LTSP 4.41 Thanks Rich Kasson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Fri Feb 17 14:38:18 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:38:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] XF86Config-4 setup question :Solved Message-ID: <59035.172.28.8.55.1140187098.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello List, Thanks to All who gave suggestions on the Imac Indigo video prob i was having. What fixed this was placing the XF86Config-4.indigo file in the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/Xll directory, as suggested. Now the Indigo Imacs get video fine. Also I found by using this same driver for the Imac bondio boxes, Tuxtype2 runs fine. Before Tuxtype2 would just try to open and would close. I wouldnt have even needed this ,other than our school consolidated with another school,and we inherited these machines. My next step is to get sound working correctly on these. Yet another head scratcher. I have sound cards initialised,correctly,and get the "accepting conenctions on port 16001" message and get sound bars when playing sounds through xmms player,but im not getting any sound output. Thanks again to everyone, Barry Cisna From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Feb 17 15:10:44 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:10:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] XF86Config-4 setup question :Solved In-Reply-To: <59035.172.28.8.55.1140187098.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <59035.172.28.8.55.1140187098.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <20060217151013.M6702@winonacotter.org> > Thanks to All who gave suggestions on the Imac Indigo video prob i > was having. What fixed this was placing the XF86Config-4.indigo file > in the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/Xll directory, as suggested. Now the Indigo > Imacs get video fine. Also I found by using this same driver for the > Imac bondio boxes, Tuxtype2 runs fine. Before Tuxtype2 would just > try to open and would close. I wouldnt have even needed this ,other > than our school consolidated with another school,and we inherited > these machines. My next step is to get sound working correctly on > these. Yet another head scratcher. I have sound cards initialised, > correctly,and get the "accepting conenctions on port 16001" message > and get sound bars when playing sounds through xmms player,but im > not getting any sound output. Very cool! If you get sound working please post. I have had zero luck with that. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Fri Feb 17 15:51:09 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:51:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - school financial/accounting software In-Reply-To: References: <20060216132610.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.32dc53e6d1.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <43F5F0ED.9030508@saskforestcentre.ca> Andrew Fisk wrote: > did you take a look at SQL ledger -- it's free, fairly easy to > install and comes with templates for all kinds of businesses -- I > don't know if they set one up for schools, but it's a quick download > to find out. If google is to be believed, it looks like schools in > the uk are using or evaluating it -- they may already have the > customizations done. Of course you would have to work in pounds :) > >> Does anyone use an opensource school accounting/book keeping >> application. We are looking at upgrading our current software, McAleer >> School Accounting, and I would love to consider something opensource. >> The upgrade is going to cost us $50,000.00! >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ron >> I second the suggestion for SQL-Ledger- we use it for a small preschool here. It does what's needed, and provides simple enough processing for invoices. We use it with emailing invoices and the like, and it just plain works. I had to set up the chart of accounts to match my needs, but it's been smooth sailing from there. The CofA is probably already developed in your old software, so all you need to do is replicate the familiar accounts structure. You'll be set. Angus Carr. From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Feb 17 15:56:42 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:56:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - school financial/accounting software Message-ID: <20060217085641.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.31206724f2.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> I looked at SQL Ledger and it does look nice, simple interface. It doesn't have a payroll module and unfortunately we do that inhouse. I haven't seen any programs that have the payroll module. I appreciate all that have sent input on this subject. Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT - school financial/accounting software > From: Angus Carr > Date: Fri, February 17, 2006 9:51 am > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > Andrew Fisk wrote: > > > did you take a look at SQL ledger -- it's free, fairly easy to > > install and comes with templates for all kinds of businesses -- I > > don't know if they set one up for schools, but it's a quick download > > to find out. If google is to be believed, it looks like schools in > > the uk are using or evaluating it -- they may already have the > > customizations done. Of course you would have to work in pounds :) > > > >> Does anyone use an opensource school accounting/book keeping > >> application. We are looking at upgrading our current software, McAleer > >> School Accounting, and I would love to consider something opensource. > >> The upgrade is going to cost us $50,000.00! > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Ron > >> > I second the suggestion for SQL-Ledger- we use it for a small preschool > here. It does what's needed, and provides simple enough processing for > invoices. We use it with emailing invoices and the like, and it just > plain works. I had to set up the chart of accounts to match my needs, > but it's been smooth sailing from there. The CofA is probably already > developed in your old software, so all you need to do is replicate the > familiar accounts structure. You'll be set. > > Angus Carr. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From accessys at smart.net Fri Feb 17 15:59:41 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:59:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] MMS-->K12 In-Reply-To: <20060217151013.M6702@winonacotter.org> References: <59035.172.28.8.55.1140187098.squirrel@172.28.8.55> <20060217151013.M6702@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: got a school that is interested but concerned that all the records they now have stored in "MMS" (I don't know what this is) will not be accessible if they switch to K12. anyone have any experience in this???? thanks Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Fri Feb 17 16:02:04 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 05:02:04 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] sound using esd does not work on 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <229768c70602170412w55529e97g79c462ec2685c74@mail.gmail.com> References: <229768c70602170412w55529e97g79c462ec2685c74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43F5F37C.7010205@orcon.net.nz> Generally in LTSP when logged in as root sound is not sent to clients; sound is only sent when logged in as a user. You seem to have turned it the other way around. Try logging in as user run xmms and specify the name/ip address of the client in the settings and see what happens. Krsnendu dasa P.S. I have a 4.4.1 sandbox but I have not really tested the sound on it yet. I also considered it for the sound feature. At the same time I installed the sandbox I also turned on the "sound hacks" option in my production 4.2.0 server and now sound works well. xmms, tuxmath, flash websites, Mplayer, etc. Haven't got WINE sound working yet... norm hanna wrote: > Sorry for going over this again, but I have a sound issue on the > clients (which is the driving factor towards moving to 4.4.1) > > In the test thjn client, I am having difficulties with sound using esd > and gnome under version 4.4.1. The test server was built by taking > all the defaults in the 4.4.1 installation. I have also tried with > all defaults and yum -y upgrade with exact same results. > > Both the thin client and the server have the same sound integrated > i810_audio. > > When I log into the thin client as root, sound works well under xmms, > rhythmbox (with gstreamer-plugins), gstreamer-properties, sounds from > the sound server under gnome, etc.....even the volume controls show > up. esdplay /usr/share/sounds/phone.wav works well. using "tcpdump | > grep 16001" on the server console when running the command esdplay > /usr/share/sounds/phone.wav on the thin clien , I see a lot of activity. > > but when I login as any user, nothing works. using > gstreamer-properties, when I test esd, nothing. esdplay > /usr/share/sounds/phone.wav, nothing. I do not get errors from > esdplay, gstreamer-properties test returns "failed to construct test > pipeline for "ESD - Enlightenment Sound Daemon" "tcpdump | grep > 16001" does not return any activity. > > I think this is a rights issue, or setup of esd, but I am unable to > locate / or solve the issue. Any help, guidence would be appreciated. > > I thank you in advance for any assistance solving this issue, > > norm > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Feb 17 16:08:45 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:08:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MMS-->K12 In-Reply-To: References: <59035.172.28.8.55.1140187098.squirrel@172.28.8.55> <20060217151013.M6702@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1140192525.5663.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Bob, I have extensive experience with MMS. It is a student information system. They are correct, if they switch to K12 they will not be able to use MMS. However, I will tell you that my advice is to drop MMS altogether. It is the worst SIS I have ever dealt with. We recently changed to PowerSchool, which is a web-based SIS, and are dropping MMS at the end of this year. Our entire district is trying to move to all web-based applications if possible so that we don't rely on a certain OS platform. MMS is a 100% Windows OS compliant SIS. If you have further questions feel free to email me. -Paul On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 10:59 -0500, Access Systems wrote: > got a school that is interested but concerned that all the records they > now have stored in "MMS" (I don't know what this is) will not be > accessible if they switch to K12. > > anyone have any experience in this???? > > thanks > Bob > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net > NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers > NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be > privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Feb 17 16:30:00 2006 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:30:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - school financial/accounting software Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320D759@MAILBE2.westat.com> On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 10:57 AM rmcdaniel at indata.us said: >> >> I looked at SQL Ledger and it does look nice, simple interface. >> It doesn't have a payroll module and unfortunately we do that >> inhouse. I haven't seen any programs that have the payroll >> module. I appreciate all that have sent input on this subject. How big (number of employees) and how complicated (tax jurisdictions) is your payroll? Would it be possible to calculate the information outside of SQL Ledger and then transfer the data and print checks? There's an open source payroll system called Paythyme (http://paythyme.com/) but sadly, it only supports UK businesses at this point. I wonder how much work it would be to convert it to the US rules, etc. I also found this one - http://www.pangeasoft.net/payroll/ but I don't really know anything about it. Looks like it may only calculate federal payroll which isn't really all you need (or even the trickiest part). Even if you had to keep a stand-alone Windows box with a payroll package on it, if that would output data that you could copy and import into SQL Ledger (that part you'd probably have to code yourself), it would be a good first step. Then, when something becomes available, you'll be set to add it. -- Henry From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Feb 17 16:46:07 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:46:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - school financial/accounting software Message-ID: <20060217094607.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.0991e5ace3.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> We have around 350 employees. Payroll is pretty complex in the school system. There is a lot of detailed information that they track. I am sure that HR would complain if they had to do more steps than they are currently doing to calculate/enter payroll. Thanks for the information on the other products. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] OT - school financial/accounting software > From: "Henry Hartley" > Date: Fri, February 17, 2006 10:30 am > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 10:57 AM rmcdaniel at indata.us said: > >> > >> I looked at SQL Ledger and it does look nice, simple interface. > >> It doesn't have a payroll module and unfortunately we do that > >> inhouse. I haven't seen any programs that have the payroll > >> module. I appreciate all that have sent input on this subject. > > How big (number of employees) and how complicated (tax jurisdictions) is > your payroll? Would it be possible to calculate the information outside > of SQL Ledger and then transfer the data and print checks? > > There's an open source payroll system called Paythyme > (http://paythyme.com/) but sadly, it only supports UK businesses at this > point. I wonder how much work it would be to convert it to the US > rules, etc. > > I also found this one - http://www.pangeasoft.net/payroll/ but I don't > really know anything about it. Looks like it may only calculate federal > payroll which isn't really all you need (or even the trickiest part). > > Even if you had to keep a stand-alone Windows box with a payroll package > on it, if that would output data that you could copy and import into SQL > Ledger (that part you'd probably have to code yourself), it would be a > good first step. Then, when something becomes available, you'll be set > to add it. > > -- > Henry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Feb 17 16:51:07 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:51:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - school financial/accounting software In-Reply-To: <20060217094607.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.0991e5ace3.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20060217094607.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.0991e5ace3.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: On 2/17/06, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Thanks for the information > on the other products. I'd certainly consider an online solution as well. -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com From k12osn at perusion.com Fri Feb 17 17:05:38 2006 From: k12osn at perusion.com (Mike Heins) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:05:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolmaster / schoolmaster.com Message-ID: <20060217170538.GA8503@bill.heins.net> Hi, With the success of our K12ltsp labs, and the fact that all remaining computer systems problems seem to be Windows/related, we are in the market for a Linux-based school information system (to replace Hunter Schoolminder, etc.). My cooperating teacher ran across Schoolmaster, which apparently can run its custom DB (Faircomp) on Linux, but still runs all code on Windows clients. I surveyed the options last year and didn't see anything real good that was web or Linux based. So I have three questions: 1) Are there any satisfied or dissatisfied Schoolmaster users out there? 2) Have any options opened up (or become stronger) in the past year for school information systems? 3) How close is the Shuttleworth school system from being useful for grades and report cards? Best, -- Mike Heins Perusion -- Expert Interchange Consulting http://www.perusion.com/ phone +1.765.647.1295 tollfree 800-949-1889 Fast, reliable, cheap. Pick two and we'll talk. -- unknown From ccraig at safedesksolutions.com Fri Feb 17 17:23:30 2006 From: ccraig at safedesksolutions.com (Curt Craig) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:23:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolmaster / schoolmaster.com In-Reply-To: <20060217170538.GA8503@bill.heins.net> References: <20060217170538.GA8503@bill.heins.net> Message-ID: <200602170923.30609.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> On Friday 17 February 2006 09:05, Mike Heins wrote: > I surveyed the options last year and didn't see anything real good > that was web or Linux based. I haven't seen anyone mention Centre's Open Source SIS here... worth checking out - http://www.miller-group.net/ -- Curt Craig SafeDesk Solutions (866) 465-8636 www.safedesk.com From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Fri Feb 17 17:13:42 2006 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:13:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT - school financial/accounting software In-Reply-To: <20060217170038.AA1D873710@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060217170038.AA1D873710@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <43F60446.9060906@frederic.k12.wi.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Its not open source but one I looked at was Kintera Fundware (http://www.fundware.com/) It was going to be 10 to 15 grand for us wich at least is an improvment over the school specific softwares that were going to be at least 40 grand. Right now we are stuck with a software called Impact, it sucks. - -- Justin Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District 1-715-327-4223 paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us "The world is open. Are you?" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFD9gRG1ed72CY2bpoRAgkdAJ922iD/XjtJRCOgkCysoOV4vKoZlACfdawy IAOzClFGVmk9rPfzqrPkZfQ= =1Dit -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: paulsenj.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 306 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Fri Feb 17 17:14:06 2006 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:14:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolmaster / schoolmaster.com In-Reply-To: <20060217170538.GA8503@bill.heins.net> References: <20060217170538.GA8503@bill.heins.net> Message-ID: <92de6c880602170914o16d5a927yd9da7112b97c53e0@mail.gmail.com> On 2/17/06, Mike Heins wrote: > 3) How close is the Shuttleworth school system from being > useful for grades and report cards? As a matter of fact, my wife's school started distributing the first SchoolTool-generated report cards last night, although the underlying code is still very alpha quality. Nonetheless, it worked! Look for the beta in April. --Tom From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Feb 17 17:27:17 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:27:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolmaster / schoolmaster.com Message-ID: <20060217102717.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.924382e99f.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Centre has come a long way. Now they have a nice looking lunchroom module. You should take a look. ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Schoolmaster / schoolmaster.com > From: Curt Craig > Date: Fri, February 17, 2006 11:23 am > To: k12osn at redhat.com, mike at perusion.com > > On Friday 17 February 2006 09:05, Mike Heins wrote: > > I surveyed the options last year and didn't see anything real good > > that was web or Linux based. > > I haven't seen anyone mention Centre's Open Source SIS here... worth checking > out - http://www.miller-group.net/ > > -- > Curt Craig > SafeDesk Solutions > (866) 465-8636 > www.safedesk.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Feb 17 17:27:55 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:27:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolmaster / schoolmaster.com In-Reply-To: <20060217170538.GA8503@bill.heins.net> References: <20060217170538.GA8503@bill.heins.net> Message-ID: <1140197276.5663.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mike, I guess it really depends on how exhaustive you use your student information systems. I know that we looked at several different SIS databases like Centre, SchoolTool, MMS, iPass, and PowerSchool. This is my thought on Open Source SIS databases to date: Primitive. At an elementary school level you can probably get away without a lot of the features that more robust and commercial SIS databases like PowerSchool offer but at the high school and district levels, we can't live without options that we get with commercial SIS databases. We indeed did go with PowerSchool as it is extremely robust, web based, and always up to date with our state reporting forms. Not to mention many other options and customer support. These are the things that Centre and SchoolTool lack. I am all for implementing Linux and open source applicationd in educational institutions (which I have), but in my humble opinion, it's not worth relying on an open source SIS database for my district yet.... -Paul On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:05 -0500, Mike Heins wrote: > Hi, > > With the success of our K12ltsp labs, and the fact that all remaining > computer systems problems seem to be Windows/related, we are in the > market for a Linux-based school information system (to replace Hunter > Schoolminder, etc.). > > My cooperating teacher ran across Schoolmaster, which apparently can > run its custom DB (Faircomp) on Linux, but still runs all code on > Windows clients. > > I surveyed the options last year and didn't see anything real good > that was web or Linux based. > > So I have three questions: > > 1) Are there any satisfied or dissatisfied Schoolmaster > users out there? > > 2) Have any options opened up (or become stronger) in the > past year for school information systems? > > 3) How close is the Shuttleworth school system from being > useful for grades and report cards? > > Best, From sbetts at msad52.org Fri Feb 17 17:30:15 2006 From: sbetts at msad52.org (Sharon Betts) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:30:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolmaster / schoolmaster.com In-Reply-To: <1140197276.5663.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060217170538.GA8503@bill.heins.net> <1140197276.5663.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I would like to know the size of your district(s). There are several in Maine using Centre (2500 students approximately) and I believe it is working very well. Sharon vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Friday, February 17, 2006 at 12:27 PM -0500 wrote: >Mike, > >I guess it really depends on how exhaustive you use your student >information systems. I know that we looked at several different SIS >databases like Centre, SchoolTool, MMS, iPass, and PowerSchool. This is >my thought on Open Source SIS databases to date: Primitive. At an >elementary school level you can probably get away without a lot of the >features that more robust and commercial SIS databases like PowerSchool >offer but at the high school and district levels, we can't live without >options that we get with commercial SIS databases. We indeed did go with >PowerSchool as it is extremely robust, web based, and always up to date >with our state reporting forms. Not to mention many other options and >customer support. These are the things that Centre and SchoolTool lack. >I am all for implementing Linux and open source applicationd in >educational institutions (which I have), but in my humble opinion, it's >not worth relying on an open source SIS database for my district yet.... > >-Paul > >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:05 -0500, Mike Heins wrote: >> Hi, >> >> With the success of our K12ltsp labs, and the fact that all remaining >> computer systems problems seem to be Windows/related, we are in the >> market for a Linux-based school information system (to replace Hunter >> Schoolminder, etc.). >> >> My cooperating teacher ran across Schoolmaster, which apparently can >> run its custom DB (Faircomp) on Linux, but still runs all code on >> Windows clients. >> >> I surveyed the options last year and didn't see anything real good >> that was web or Linux based. >> >> So I have three questions: >> >> 1) Are there any satisfied or dissatisfied Schoolmaster >> users out there? >> >> 2) Have any options opened up (or become stronger) in the >> past year for school information systems? >> >> 3) How close is the Shuttleworth school system from being >> useful for grades and report cards? >> >> Best, > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.org Information contained in this message is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, or copy, this message. If you have received this message in error, please delete this e-mail plus any attachments and immediately notify the sender. From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Feb 17 17:41:48 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:41:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolmaster / schoolmaster.com In-Reply-To: References: <20060217170538.GA8503@bill.heins.net> <1140197276.5663.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1140198108.5663.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sharon, I agree that size makes is a factor, but isn't the focus. It really depends on what features your district demand from an SIS and are those features offered. You may have two school districts with 2500 students but District A may use their SIS more exhaustively than District B. An example, we really need features to keep track of discipline. That features doesn't exist in Centre. With PowerSchool we can track discipline by day, time, and location. So we can pull up all students that during 9am-11am on February 17th were truant. It will give us all the students that meet these conditions. Centre and SchoolTool can't do that. That is a feature we need to have because that's what our district uses to track discipline. Other school districts might not. Again, the above was an example but the focus should be on what are the needs of your district and not necessarily the size. -Paul On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:30 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote: > I would like to know the size of your district(s). There are several in > Maine using Centre (2500 students approximately) and I believe it is > working very well. > Sharon > > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Friday, February 17, 2006 at 12:27 PM -0500 > wrote: > >Mike, > > > >I guess it really depends on how exhaustive you use your student > >information systems. I know that we looked at several different SIS > >databases like Centre, SchoolTool, MMS, iPass, and PowerSchool. This is > >my thought on Open Source SIS databases to date: Primitive. At an > >elementary school level you can probably get away without a lot of the > >features that more robust and commercial SIS databases like PowerSchool > >offer but at the high school and district levels, we can't live without > >options that we get with commercial SIS databases. We indeed did go with > >PowerSchool as it is extremely robust, web based, and always up to date > >with our state reporting forms. Not to mention many other options and > >customer support. These are the things that Centre and SchoolTool lack. > >I am all for implementing Linux and open source applicationd in > >educational institutions (which I have), but in my humble opinion, it's > >not worth relying on an open source SIS database for my district yet.... > > > >-Paul > > > >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:05 -0500, Mike Heins wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> With the success of our K12ltsp labs, and the fact that all remaining > >> computer systems problems seem to be Windows/related, we are in the > >> market for a Linux-based school information system (to replace Hunter > >> Schoolminder, etc.). > >> > >> My cooperating teacher ran across Schoolmaster, which apparently can > >> run its custom DB (Faircomp) on Linux, but still runs all code on > >> Windows clients. > >> > >> I surveyed the options last year and didn't see anything real good > >> that was web or Linux based. > >> > >> So I have three questions: > >> > >> 1) Are there any satisfied or dissatisfied Schoolmaster > >> users out there? > >> > >> 2) Have any options opened up (or become stronger) in the > >> past year for school information systems? > >> > >> 3) How close is the Shuttleworth school system from being > >> useful for grades and report cards? > >> > >> Best, > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 > 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 > 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.org > > Information contained in this message is privileged and confidential. If > you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, or copy, > this message. If you have received this message in error, please delete > this e-mail plus any attachments and immediately notify the sender. > > > From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Feb 17 18:04:40 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:04:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolmaster / schoolmaster.com In-Reply-To: References: <20060217170538.GA8503@bill.heins.net> < > <1140197276.5663.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <1140197972.5663.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1140199480.5663.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sharon, That's what we are trying to avoid, modularizing our database. You can have a module for lunch, discipline and health and so on but they are just that: independent modules. Modules are independent, and sometimes communicate properly with the rest of the database. Modules are meant to be standalone or combined to form a database (like MMS, www.cri-mms.com). The problem with this is that they don't always communicate with each other properly and we aren't about to go back to a module type database. PowerSchool, for example, acts as a contiguous whole and not as individual modules attempting to act as a whole. This allows us to trust our input and output data versus our current modular based SIS which data sometimes gets lost in transition from one module to another. Again, Centre might meet the needs of some school districts, but I am not about to bet all of my money on them nor am I fully willing to put all of our district SIS data on one yet. Perhaps in the future as they mature more. -Paul On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:55 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote: > I have moved from the district that was implementing Centre. However, > they also used a discipline module, a food services module, a module to > track student obligations etc. Just a thought that Centre has been on a > rapid development curve and remains very cost effective (as opposed to the > $80,000 plus that PowerSchool quoted -- without training). > Sharon > > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Friday, February 17, 2006 at 12:39 PM -0500 > wrote: > >Sharon, > > > >I agree that size makes is a factor, but isn't the focus. It really > >depends on what features your district demand from an SIS and are those > >features offered. You may have two school districts with 2500 students > >but District A may use their SIS more exhaustively than District B. > > > >An example, we really need features to keep track of discipline. That > >features doesn't exist in Centre. With PowerSchool we can track > >discipline by day, time, and location. So we can pull up all students > >that during 9am-11am on February 17th were truant. It will give us all > >the students that meet these conditions. Centre and SchoolTool can't do > >that. That is a feature we need to have because that's what our district > >uses to track discipline. Other school districts might not. > > > >Again, the above was an example but the focus should be on what are the > >needs of your district and not necessarily the size. > > > >-Paul > > > > > > > >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:30 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote: > >> I would like to know the size of your district(s). There are several in > >> Maine using Centre (2500 students approximately) and I believe it is > >> working very well. > >> Sharon > >> > >> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Friday, February 17, 2006 at 12:27 PM > >-0500 > >> wrote: > >> >Mike, > >> > > >> >I guess it really depends on how exhaustive you use your student > >> >information systems. I know that we looked at several different SIS > >> >databases like Centre, SchoolTool, MMS, iPass, and PowerSchool. This is > >> >my thought on Open Source SIS databases to date: Primitive. At an > >> >elementary school level you can probably get away without a lot of the > >> >features that more robust and commercial SIS databases like PowerSchool > >> >offer but at the high school and district levels, we can't live without > >> >options that we get with commercial SIS databases. We indeed did go > >with > >> >PowerSchool as it is extremely robust, web based, and always up to date > >> >with our state reporting forms. Not to mention many other options and > >> >customer support. These are the things that Centre and SchoolTool lack. > >> >I am all for implementing Linux and open source applicationd in > >> >educational institutions (which I have), but in my humble opinion, it's > >> >not worth relying on an open source SIS database for my district > >yet.... > >> > > >> >-Paul > >> > > >> >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:05 -0500, Mike Heins wrote: > >> >> Hi, > >> >> > >> >> With the success of our K12ltsp labs, and the fact that all remaining > >> >> computer systems problems seem to be Windows/related, we are in the > >> >> market for a Linux-based school information system (to replace Hunter > >> >> Schoolminder, etc.). > >> >> > >> >> My cooperating teacher ran across Schoolmaster, which apparently can > >> >> run its custom DB (Faircomp) on Linux, but still runs all code on > >> >> Windows clients. > >> >> > >> >> I surveyed the options last year and didn't see anything real good > >> >> that was web or Linux based. > >> >> > >> >> So I have three questions: > >> >> > >> >> 1) Are there any satisfied or dissatisfied Schoolmaster > >> >> users out there? > >> >> > >> >> 2) Have any options opened up (or become stronger) in the > >> >> past year for school information systems? > >> >> > >> >> 3) How close is the Shuttleworth school system from being > >> >> useful for grades and report cards? > >> >> > >> >> Best, > >> > > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >K12OSN mailing list > >> >K12OSN at redhat.com > >> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> >For more info see > >> > >> > >> > >> Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 > >> 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 > >> 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.org > >> > >> Information contained in this message is privileged and confidential. > >If > >> you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, or copy, > >> this message. If you have received this message in error, please delete > >> this e-mail plus any attachments and immediately notify the sender. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 > 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 > 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.org > > Information contained in this message is privileged and confidential. If > you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, or copy, > this message. If you have received this message in error, please delete > this e-mail plus any attachments and immediately notify the sender. > > > From sbetts at msad52.org Fri Feb 17 18:09:12 2006 From: sbetts at msad52.org (Sharon Betts) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:09:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolmaster / schoolmaster.com In-Reply-To: <1140199480.5663.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060217170538.GA8503@bill.heins.net> < > < > <1140197276.5663.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > < > < > <1140197972.5663.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <1140199480.5663.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Paul, They did not stand alone -- they are completely integrated into one database (MySQL) -- there is no transfer of data. But, you should look for yourself unless you are completely sold on PowerSchool and have the finances available. I am not a salesperson for Centre -- just a proponent of OpenSource that meets the needs of a district and trying to clarify your reasoning in my mind. Sharon > >That's what we are trying to avoid, modularizing our database. You can >have a module for lunch, discipline and health and so on but they are >just that: independent modules. Modules are independent, and sometimes >communicate properly with the rest of the database. Modules are meant to >be standalone or combined to form a database (like MMS, >www.cri-mms.com). The problem with this is that they don't always >communicate with each other properly and we aren't about to go back to a >module type database. > >PowerSchool, for example, acts as a contiguous whole and not as >individual modules attempting to act as a whole. This allows us to trust >our input and output data versus our current modular based SIS which >data sometimes gets lost in transition from one module to another. > >Again, Centre might meet the needs of some school districts, but I am >not about to bet all of my money on them nor am I fully willing to put >all of our district SIS data on one yet. Perhaps in the future as they >mature more. > >-Paul > > >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:55 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote: >> I have moved from the district that was implementing Centre. However, >> they also used a discipline module, a food services module, a module to >> track student obligations etc. Just a thought that Centre has been on a >> rapid development curve and remains very cost effective (as opposed to >the >> $80,000 plus that PowerSchool quoted -- without training). >> Sharon >> >> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Friday, February 17, 2006 at 12:39 PM >-0500 >> wrote: >> >Sharon, >> > >> >I agree that size makes is a factor, but isn't the focus. It really >> >depends on what features your district demand from an SIS and are those >> >features offered. You may have two school districts with 2500 students >> >but District A may use their SIS more exhaustively than District B. >> > >> >An example, we really need features to keep track of discipline. That >> >features doesn't exist in Centre. With PowerSchool we can track >> >discipline by day, time, and location. So we can pull up all students >> >that during 9am-11am on February 17th were truant. It will give us all >> >the students that meet these conditions. Centre and SchoolTool can't do >> >that. That is a feature we need to have because that's what our >district >> >uses to track discipline. Other school districts might not. >> > >> >Again, the above was an example but the focus should be on what are the >> >needs of your district and not necessarily the size. >> > >> >-Paul >> > >> > >> > >> >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:30 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote: >> >> I would like to know the size of your district(s). There are >several in >> >> Maine using Centre (2500 students approximately) and I believe it is >> >> working very well. >> >> Sharon >> >> >> >> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Friday, February 17, 2006 at 12:27 PM >> >-0500 >> >> wrote: >> >> >Mike, >> >> > >> >> >I guess it really depends on how exhaustive you use your student >> >> >information systems. I know that we looked at several different SIS >> >> >databases like Centre, SchoolTool, MMS, iPass, and PowerSchool. >This is >> >> >my thought on Open Source SIS databases to date: Primitive. At an >> >> >elementary school level you can probably get away without a lot of >the >> >> >features that more robust and commercial SIS databases like >PowerSchool >> >> >offer but at the high school and district levels, we can't live >without >> >> >options that we get with commercial SIS databases. We indeed did go >> >with >> >> >PowerSchool as it is extremely robust, web based, and always up to >date >> >> >with our state reporting forms. Not to mention many other options >and >> >> >customer support. These are the things that Centre and SchoolTool >lack. >> >> >I am all for implementing Linux and open source applicationd in >> >> >educational institutions (which I have), but in my humble opinion, >it's >> >> >not worth relying on an open source SIS database for my district >> >yet.... >> >> > >> >> >-Paul >> >> > >> >> >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:05 -0500, Mike Heins wrote: >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> >> >> With the success of our K12ltsp labs, and the fact that all >remaining >> >> >> computer systems problems seem to be Windows/related, we are in >the >> >> >> market for a Linux-based school information system (to replace >Hunter >> >> >> Schoolminder, etc.). >> >> >> >> >> >> My cooperating teacher ran across Schoolmaster, which apparently >can >> >> >> run its custom DB (Faircomp) on Linux, but still runs all code on >> >> >> Windows clients. >> >> >> >> >> >> I surveyed the options last year and didn't see anything real good >> >> >> that was web or Linux based. >> >> >> >> >> >> So I have three questions: >> >> >> >> >> >> 1) Are there any satisfied or dissatisfied Schoolmaster >> >> >> users out there? >> >> >> >> >> >> 2) Have any options opened up (or become stronger) in the >> >> >> past year for school information systems? >> >> >> >> >> >> 3) How close is the Shuttleworth school system from being >> >> >> useful for grades and report cards? >> >> >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> > >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >> >K12OSN mailing list >> >> >K12OSN at redhat.com >> >> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >> >For more info see >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 >> >> 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 >> >> 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.org >> >> >> >> Information contained in this message is privileged and >confidential. >> >If >> >> you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, or >copy, >> >> this message. If you have received this message in error, please >delete >> >> this e-mail plus any attachments and immediately notify the sender. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 >> 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 >> 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.org >> >> Information contained in this message is privileged and confidential. >If >> you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, or copy, >> this message. If you have received this message in error, please delete >> this e-mail plus any attachments and immediately notify the sender. >> >> >> > Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.org Information contained in this message is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, or copy, this message. If you have received this message in error, please delete this e-mail plus any attachments and immediately notify the sender. From k12osn at perusion.com Fri Feb 17 18:19:34 2006 From: k12osn at perusion.com (Mike Heins) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:19:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolmaster / schoolmaster.com In-Reply-To: <1140198108.5663.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060217170538.GA8503@bill.heins.net> <1140197276.5663.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1140198108.5663.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060217181934.GA10887@bill.heins.net> Quoting Paul VanGundy (vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us): > Sharon, > > I agree that size makes is a factor, but isn't the focus. It really > depends on what features your district demand from an SIS and are those > features offered. You may have two school districts with 2500 students > but District A may use their SIS more exhaustively than District B. > > An example, we really need features to keep track of discipline. That > features doesn't exist in Centre. With PowerSchool we can track > discipline by day, time, and location. We are a Catholic school, so the discipline follows another track. 8-) > So we can pull up all students > that during 9am-11am on February 17th were truant. It will give us all > the students that meet these conditions. Centre and SchoolTool can't do > that. That is a feature we need to have because that's what our district > uses to track discipline. Other school districts might not. > > Again, the above was an example but the focus should be on what are the > needs of your district and not necessarily the size. I will definitely check out Centre and some others. Our needs are not really that stringent. -- Mike Heins Perusion -- Expert Interchange Consulting http://www.perusion.com/ phone +1.765.647.1295 tollfree 800-949-1889 Making the simple complex, that is easy -- anyone can do that. But to make the complex simple, awesomely simple, that is true creativity. -- Charles Mingus From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Feb 17 18:22:05 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:22:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolmaster / schoolmaster.com In-Reply-To: References: <20060217170538.GA8503@bill.heins.net> < > < > <1140197276.5663.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > < > < > <1140197972.5663.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <1140199480.5663.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1140200525.5663.54.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sharon, When we pay our $24,000 to PowerSchool (which includes everything...even training..not a bad price actually) we get EVERYTHING from Lunch tracking, billing, calendaring, grade books, professional quality report cards, student ID generator/creator, parent and student access, discipline, tons of reporting utilities, automatic state report updates, special education portion, easy importing and exporting of data, and many many more things...and all of that comes with the yearly price we pay for support. When a new version or addition to PowerSchool is released we automatically get it. Centre has SOME of those features, not many of them. Also, take a look here: https://store.glenn-abbey.com/ Seems you still have to pay for State Reporting portions, per-incident support, Student Billing/Food Service Tracking and so on...and those aren't cheap prices either. What happens if a new version or update comes out of those modules? More $$$$.....So if you really want to USE your Centre SIS you are forced to go out and purchase additional modules or add on programs. Again, PowerSchool is a contiguous whole database. We pay a flat fee each year which covers all new releases of the PowerSchool database, all state reporting updates, any new add-ons that PowerSchool will create to extend its' database and so on. Again, Centre might be for some districts. But not all. -Paul On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 13:09 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote: > Paul, > They did not stand alone -- they are completely integrated into one > database (MySQL) -- there is no transfer of data. But, you should look > for yourself unless you are completely sold on PowerSchool and have the > finances available. I am not a salesperson for Centre -- just a proponent > of OpenSource that meets the needs of a district and trying to clarify > your reasoning in my mind. > Sharon > > > >That's what we are trying to avoid, modularizing our database. You can > >have a module for lunch, discipline and health and so on but they are > >just that: independent modules. Modules are independent, and sometimes > >communicate properly with the rest of the database. Modules are meant to > >be standalone or combined to form a database (like MMS, > >www.cri-mms.com). The problem with this is that they don't always > >communicate with each other properly and we aren't about to go back to a > >module type database. > > > >PowerSchool, for example, acts as a contiguous whole and not as > >individual modules attempting to act as a whole. This allows us to trust > >our input and output data versus our current modular based SIS which > >data sometimes gets lost in transition from one module to another. > > > >Again, Centre might meet the needs of some school districts, but I am > >not about to bet all of my money on them nor am I fully willing to put > >all of our district SIS data on one yet. Perhaps in the future as they > >mature more. > > > >-Paul > > > > > >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:55 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote: > >> I have moved from the district that was implementing Centre. However, > >> they also used a discipline module, a food services module, a module to > >> track student obligations etc. Just a thought that Centre has been on a > >> rapid development curve and remains very cost effective (as opposed to > >the > >> $80,000 plus that PowerSchool quoted -- without training). > >> Sharon > >> > >> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Friday, February 17, 2006 at 12:39 PM > >-0500 > >> wrote: > >> >Sharon, > >> > > >> >I agree that size makes is a factor, but isn't the focus. It really > >> >depends on what features your district demand from an SIS and are those > >> >features offered. You may have two school districts with 2500 students > >> >but District A may use their SIS more exhaustively than District B. > >> > > >> >An example, we really need features to keep track of discipline. That > >> >features doesn't exist in Centre. With PowerSchool we can track > >> >discipline by day, time, and location. So we can pull up all students > >> >that during 9am-11am on February 17th were truant. It will give us all > >> >the students that meet these conditions. Centre and SchoolTool can't do > >> >that. That is a feature we need to have because that's what our > >district > >> >uses to track discipline. Other school districts might not. > >> > > >> >Again, the above was an example but the focus should be on what are the > >> >needs of your district and not necessarily the size. > >> > > >> >-Paul > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:30 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote: > >> >> I would like to know the size of your district(s). There are > >several in > >> >> Maine using Centre (2500 students approximately) and I believe it is > >> >> working very well. > >> >> Sharon > >> >> > >> >> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Friday, February 17, 2006 at 12:27 PM > >> >-0500 > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >Mike, > >> >> > > >> >> >I guess it really depends on how exhaustive you use your student > >> >> >information systems. I know that we looked at several different SIS > >> >> >databases like Centre, SchoolTool, MMS, iPass, and PowerSchool. > >This is > >> >> >my thought on Open Source SIS databases to date: Primitive. At an > >> >> >elementary school level you can probably get away without a lot of > >the > >> >> >features that more robust and commercial SIS databases like > >PowerSchool > >> >> >offer but at the high school and district levels, we can't live > >without > >> >> >options that we get with commercial SIS databases. We indeed did go > >> >with > >> >> >PowerSchool as it is extremely robust, web based, and always up to > >date > >> >> >with our state reporting forms. Not to mention many other options > >and > >> >> >customer support. These are the things that Centre and SchoolTool > >lack. > >> >> >I am all for implementing Linux and open source applicationd in > >> >> >educational institutions (which I have), but in my humble opinion, > >it's > >> >> >not worth relying on an open source SIS database for my district > >> >yet.... > >> >> > > >> >> >-Paul > >> >> > > >> >> >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:05 -0500, Mike Heins wrote: > >> >> >> Hi, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> With the success of our K12ltsp labs, and the fact that all > >remaining > >> >> >> computer systems problems seem to be Windows/related, we are in > >the > >> >> >> market for a Linux-based school information system (to replace > >Hunter > >> >> >> Schoolminder, etc.). > >> >> >> > >> >> >> My cooperating teacher ran across Schoolmaster, which apparently > >can > >> >> >> run its custom DB (Faircomp) on Linux, but still runs all code on > >> >> >> Windows clients. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I surveyed the options last year and didn't see anything real good > >> >> >> that was web or Linux based. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> So I have three questions: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> 1) Are there any satisfied or dissatisfied Schoolmaster > >> >> >> users out there? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> 2) Have any options opened up (or become stronger) in the > >> >> >> past year for school information systems? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> 3) How close is the Shuttleworth school system from being > >> >> >> useful for grades and report cards? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Best, > >> >> > > >> >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >> >K12OSN mailing list > >> >> >K12OSN at redhat.com > >> >> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> >> >For more info see > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 > >> >> 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 > >> >> 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.org > >> >> > >> >> Information contained in this message is privileged and > >confidential. > >> >If > >> >> you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, or > >copy, > >> >> this message. If you have received this message in error, please > >delete > >> >> this e-mail plus any attachments and immediately notify the sender. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 > >> 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 > >> 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.org > >> > >> Information contained in this message is privileged and confidential. > >If > >> you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, or copy, > >> this message. If you have received this message in error, please delete > >> this e-mail plus any attachments and immediately notify the sender. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 > 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 > 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.org > > Information contained in this message is privileged and confidential. If > you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, or copy, > this message. If you have received this message in error, please delete > this e-mail plus any attachments and immediately notify the sender. > > > From sbetts at msad52.org Fri Feb 17 18:26:34 2006 From: sbetts at msad52.org (Sharon Betts) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:26:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolmaster / schoolmaster.com In-Reply-To: <1140200525.5663.54.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060217170538.GA8503@bill.heins.net> < > < > < > <1140197276.5663.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > < > < > < > < > <1140197972.5663.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > < > < > <1140199480.5663.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <1140200525.5663.54.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I am not convinced -- we had all you mention and it was about 1/4 of your $24,000 per year not counting the initial cost to get the functionality and state reports. Upgrades are all part of the maintenance agreement. Again, Centre is a contiguous whole database and you paid a flat fee each year which covered all new releases of the database, state reporting updates and any new add-ons that we requested (not that were automatically integrated even if we didn't need them). However, every district needs to make their own decision -- Sharon vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Friday, February 17, 2006 at 1:22 PM -0500 wrote: >Sharon, > >When we pay our $24,000 to PowerSchool (which includes everything...even >training..not a bad price actually) we get EVERYTHING from Lunch >tracking, billing, calendaring, grade books, professional quality report >cards, student ID generator/creator, parent and student access, >discipline, tons of reporting utilities, automatic state report updates, >special education portion, easy importing and exporting of data, and >many many more things...and all of that comes with the yearly price we >pay for support. When a new version or addition to PowerSchool is >released we automatically get it. Centre has SOME of those features, not >many of them. Also, take a look here: > >https://store.glenn-abbey.com/ > >Seems you still have to pay for State Reporting portions, per-incident >support, Student Billing/Food Service Tracking and so on...and those >aren't cheap prices either. What happens if a new version or update >comes out of those modules? More $$$$.....So if you really want to USE >your Centre SIS you are forced to go out and purchase additional modules >or add on programs. Again, PowerSchool is a contiguous whole database. >We pay a flat fee each year which covers all new releases of the >PowerSchool database, all state reporting updates, any new add-ons that >PowerSchool will create to extend its' database and so on. > >Again, Centre might be for some districts. But not all. > >-Paul > > >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 13:09 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote: >> Paul, >> They did not stand alone -- they are completely integrated into one >> database (MySQL) -- there is no transfer of data. But, you should look >> for yourself unless you are completely sold on PowerSchool and have the >> finances available. I am not a salesperson for Centre -- just a >proponent >> of OpenSource that meets the needs of a district and trying to clarify >> your reasoning in my mind. >> Sharon >> > >> >That's what we are trying to avoid, modularizing our database. You can >> >have a module for lunch, discipline and health and so on but they are >> >just that: independent modules. Modules are independent, and sometimes >> >communicate properly with the rest of the database. Modules are meant >to >> >be standalone or combined to form a database (like MMS, >> >www.cri-mms.com). The problem with this is that they don't always >> >communicate with each other properly and we aren't about to go back to >a >> >module type database. >> > >> >PowerSchool, for example, acts as a contiguous whole and not as >> >individual modules attempting to act as a whole. This allows us to >trust >> >our input and output data versus our current modular based SIS which >> >data sometimes gets lost in transition from one module to another. >> > >> >Again, Centre might meet the needs of some school districts, but I am >> >not about to bet all of my money on them nor am I fully willing to put >> >all of our district SIS data on one yet. Perhaps in the future as they >> >mature more. >> > >> >-Paul >> > >> > >> >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:55 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote: >> >> I have moved from the district that was implementing Centre. >However, >> >> they also used a discipline module, a food services module, a module >to >> >> track student obligations etc. Just a thought that Centre has been >on a >> >> rapid development curve and remains very cost effective (as opposed >to >> >the >> >> $80,000 plus that PowerSchool quoted -- without training). >> >> Sharon >> >> >> >> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Friday, February 17, 2006 at 12:39 PM >> >-0500 >> >> wrote: >> >> >Sharon, >> >> > >> >> >I agree that size makes is a factor, but isn't the focus. It really >> >> >depends on what features your district demand from an SIS and are >those >> >> >features offered. You may have two school districts with 2500 >students >> >> >but District A may use their SIS more exhaustively than District B. >> >> > >> >> >An example, we really need features to keep track of discipline. >That >> >> >features doesn't exist in Centre. With PowerSchool we can track >> >> >discipline by day, time, and location. So we can pull up all >students >> >> >that during 9am-11am on February 17th were truant. It will give us >all >> >> >the students that meet these conditions. Centre and SchoolTool >can't do >> >> >that. That is a feature we need to have because that's what our >> >district >> >> >uses to track discipline. Other school districts might not. >> >> > >> >> >Again, the above was an example but the focus should be on what are >the >> >> >needs of your district and not necessarily the size. >> >> > >> >> >-Paul >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:30 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote: >> >> >> I would like to know the size of your district(s). There are >> >several in >> >> >> Maine using Centre (2500 students approximately) and I believe it >is >> >> >> working very well. >> >> >> Sharon >> >> >> >> >> >> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Friday, February 17, 2006 at 12:27 >PM >> >> >-0500 >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >Mike, >> >> >> > >> >> >> >I guess it really depends on how exhaustive you use your student >> >> >> >information systems. I know that we looked at several different >SIS >> >> >> >databases like Centre, SchoolTool, MMS, iPass, and PowerSchool. >> >This is >> >> >> >my thought on Open Source SIS databases to date: Primitive. At an >> >> >> >elementary school level you can probably get away without a lot >of >> >the >> >> >> >features that more robust and commercial SIS databases like >> >PowerSchool >> >> >> >offer but at the high school and district levels, we can't live >> >without >> >> >> >options that we get with commercial SIS databases. We indeed did >go >> >> >with >> >> >> >PowerSchool as it is extremely robust, web based, and always up >to >> >date >> >> >> >with our state reporting forms. Not to mention many other options >> >and >> >> >> >customer support. These are the things that Centre and SchoolTool >> >lack. >> >> >> >I am all for implementing Linux and open source applicationd in >> >> >> >educational institutions (which I have), but in my humble >opinion, >> >it's >> >> >> >not worth relying on an open source SIS database for my district >> >> >yet.... >> >> >> > >> >> >> >-Paul >> >> >> > >> >> >> >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:05 -0500, Mike Heins wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> With the success of our K12ltsp labs, and the fact that all >> >remaining >> >> >> >> computer systems problems seem to be Windows/related, we are in >> >the >> >> >> >> market for a Linux-based school information system (to replace >> >Hunter >> >> >> >> Schoolminder, etc.). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> My cooperating teacher ran across Schoolmaster, which >apparently >> >can >> >> >> >> run its custom DB (Faircomp) on Linux, but still runs all code >on >> >> >> >> Windows clients. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I surveyed the options last year and didn't see anything real >good >> >> >> >> that was web or Linux based. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> So I have three questions: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 1) Are there any satisfied or dissatisfied Schoolmaster >> >> >> >> users out there? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2) Have any options opened up (or become stronger) in the >> >> >> >> past year for school information systems? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 3) How close is the Shuttleworth school system from being >> >> >> >> useful for grades and report cards? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> > >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >> >> >K12OSN mailing list >> >> >> >K12OSN at redhat.com >> >> >> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >> >> >For more info see >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 >> >> >> 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 >> >> >> 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.org >> >> >> >> >> >> Information contained in this message is privileged and >> >confidential. >> >> >If >> >> >> you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, or >> >copy, >> >> >> this message. If you have received this message in error, please >> >delete >> >> >> this e-mail plus any attachments and immediately notify the >sender. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 >> >> 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 >> >> 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.org >> >> >> >> Information contained in this message is privileged and >confidential. >> >If >> >> you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, or >copy, >> >> this message. If you have received this message in error, please >delete >> >> this e-mail plus any attachments and immediately notify the sender. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 >> 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 >> 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.org >> >> Information contained in this message is privileged and confidential. >If >> you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, or copy, >> this message. If you have received this message in error, please delete >> this e-mail plus any attachments and immediately notify the sender. >> >> >> > Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.org Information contained in this message is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, or copy, this message. If you have received this message in error, please delete this e-mail plus any attachments and immediately notify the sender. From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Feb 17 18:31:03 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:31:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Schoolmaster / schoolmaster.com In-Reply-To: References: <20060217170538.GA8503@bill.heins.net> < > < > < > <1140197276.5663.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > < > < > < > < > <1140197972.5663.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > < > < > <1140199480.5663.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <1140200525.5663.54.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1140201064.5663.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sharon, I will agree to disagree. :) I do agree on one thing, every district needs to make their own decision... -Paul On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 13:26 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote: > I am not convinced -- we had all you mention and it was about 1/4 of your > $24,000 per year not counting the initial cost to get the functionality > and state reports. Upgrades are all part of the maintenance agreement. > Again, Centre is a contiguous whole database and you paid a flat fee each > year which covered all new releases of the database, state reporting > updates and any new add-ons that we requested (not that were automatically > integrated even if we didn't need them). > > However, every district needs to make their own decision -- > Sharon > > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Friday, February 17, 2006 at 1:22 PM -0500 > wrote: > >Sharon, > > > >When we pay our $24,000 to PowerSchool (which includes everything...even > >training..not a bad price actually) we get EVERYTHING from Lunch > >tracking, billing, calendaring, grade books, professional quality report > >cards, student ID generator/creator, parent and student access, > >discipline, tons of reporting utilities, automatic state report updates, > >special education portion, easy importing and exporting of data, and > >many many more things...and all of that comes with the yearly price we > >pay for support. When a new version or addition to PowerSchool is > >released we automatically get it. Centre has SOME of those features, not > >many of them. Also, take a look here: > > > >https://store.glenn-abbey.com/ > > > >Seems you still have to pay for State Reporting portions, per-incident > >support, Student Billing/Food Service Tracking and so on...and those > >aren't cheap prices either. What happens if a new version or update > >comes out of those modules? More $$$$.....So if you really want to USE > >your Centre SIS you are forced to go out and purchase additional modules > >or add on programs. Again, PowerSchool is a contiguous whole database. > >We pay a flat fee each year which covers all new releases of the > >PowerSchool database, all state reporting updates, any new add-ons that > >PowerSchool will create to extend its' database and so on. > > > >Again, Centre might be for some districts. But not all. > > > >-Paul > > > > > >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 13:09 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote: > >> Paul, > >> They did not stand alone -- they are completely integrated into one > >> database (MySQL) -- there is no transfer of data. But, you should look > >> for yourself unless you are completely sold on PowerSchool and have the > >> finances available. I am not a salesperson for Centre -- just a > >proponent > >> of OpenSource that meets the needs of a district and trying to clarify > >> your reasoning in my mind. > >> Sharon > >> > > >> >That's what we are trying to avoid, modularizing our database. You can > >> >have a module for lunch, discipline and health and so on but they are > >> >just that: independent modules. Modules are independent, and sometimes > >> >communicate properly with the rest of the database. Modules are meant > >to > >> >be standalone or combined to form a database (like MMS, > >> >www.cri-mms.com). The problem with this is that they don't always > >> >communicate with each other properly and we aren't about to go back to > >a > >> >module type database. > >> > > >> >PowerSchool, for example, acts as a contiguous whole and not as > >> >individual modules attempting to act as a whole. This allows us to > >trust > >> >our input and output data versus our current modular based SIS which > >> >data sometimes gets lost in transition from one module to another. > >> > > >> >Again, Centre might meet the needs of some school districts, but I am > >> >not about to bet all of my money on them nor am I fully willing to put > >> >all of our district SIS data on one yet. Perhaps in the future as they > >> >mature more. > >> > > >> >-Paul > >> > > >> > > >> >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:55 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote: > >> >> I have moved from the district that was implementing Centre. > >However, > >> >> they also used a discipline module, a food services module, a module > >to > >> >> track student obligations etc. Just a thought that Centre has been > >on a > >> >> rapid development curve and remains very cost effective (as opposed > >to > >> >the > >> >> $80,000 plus that PowerSchool quoted -- without training). > >> >> Sharon > >> >> > >> >> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Friday, February 17, 2006 at 12:39 PM > >> >-0500 > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >Sharon, > >> >> > > >> >> >I agree that size makes is a factor, but isn't the focus. It really > >> >> >depends on what features your district demand from an SIS and are > >those > >> >> >features offered. You may have two school districts with 2500 > >students > >> >> >but District A may use their SIS more exhaustively than District B. > >> >> > > >> >> >An example, we really need features to keep track of discipline. > >That > >> >> >features doesn't exist in Centre. With PowerSchool we can track > >> >> >discipline by day, time, and location. So we can pull up all > >students > >> >> >that during 9am-11am on February 17th were truant. It will give us > >all > >> >> >the students that meet these conditions. Centre and SchoolTool > >can't do > >> >> >that. That is a feature we need to have because that's what our > >> >district > >> >> >uses to track discipline. Other school districts might not. > >> >> > > >> >> >Again, the above was an example but the focus should be on what are > >the > >> >> >needs of your district and not necessarily the size. > >> >> > > >> >> >-Paul > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:30 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote: > >> >> >> I would like to know the size of your district(s). There are > >> >several in > >> >> >> Maine using Centre (2500 students approximately) and I believe it > >is > >> >> >> working very well. > >> >> >> Sharon > >> >> >> > >> >> >> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Friday, February 17, 2006 at 12:27 > >PM > >> >> >-0500 > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >Mike, > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >I guess it really depends on how exhaustive you use your student > >> >> >> >information systems. I know that we looked at several different > >SIS > >> >> >> >databases like Centre, SchoolTool, MMS, iPass, and PowerSchool. > >> >This is > >> >> >> >my thought on Open Source SIS databases to date: Primitive. At an > >> >> >> >elementary school level you can probably get away without a lot > >of > >> >the > >> >> >> >features that more robust and commercial SIS databases like > >> >PowerSchool > >> >> >> >offer but at the high school and district levels, we can't live > >> >without > >> >> >> >options that we get with commercial SIS databases. We indeed did > >go > >> >> >with > >> >> >> >PowerSchool as it is extremely robust, web based, and always up > >to > >> >date > >> >> >> >with our state reporting forms. Not to mention many other options > >> >and > >> >> >> >customer support. These are the things that Centre and SchoolTool > >> >lack. > >> >> >> >I am all for implementing Linux and open source applicationd in > >> >> >> >educational institutions (which I have), but in my humble > >opinion, > >> >it's > >> >> >> >not worth relying on an open source SIS database for my district > >> >> >yet.... > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >-Paul > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:05 -0500, Mike Heins wrote: > >> >> >> >> Hi, > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> With the success of our K12ltsp labs, and the fact that all > >> >remaining > >> >> >> >> computer systems problems seem to be Windows/related, we are in > >> >the > >> >> >> >> market for a Linux-based school information system (to replace > >> >Hunter > >> >> >> >> Schoolminder, etc.). > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> My cooperating teacher ran across Schoolmaster, which > >apparently > >> >can > >> >> >> >> run its custom DB (Faircomp) on Linux, but still runs all code > >on > >> >> >> >> Windows clients. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I surveyed the options last year and didn't see anything real > >good > >> >> >> >> that was web or Linux based. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> So I have three questions: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> 1) Are there any satisfied or dissatisfied Schoolmaster > >> >> >> >> users out there? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> 2) Have any options opened up (or become stronger) in the > >> >> >> >> past year for school information systems? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> 3) How close is the Shuttleworth school system from being > >> >> >> >> useful for grades and report cards? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Best, > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >> >> >K12OSN mailing list > >> >> >> >K12OSN at redhat.com > >> >> >> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> >> >> >For more info see > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 > >> >> >> 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 > >> >> >> 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.org > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Information contained in this message is privileged and > >> >confidential. > >> >> >If > >> >> >> you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, or > >> >copy, > >> >> >> this message. If you have received this message in error, please > >> >delete > >> >> >> this e-mail plus any attachments and immediately notify the > >sender. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 > >> >> 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 > >> >> 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.org > >> >> > >> >> Information contained in this message is privileged and > >confidential. > >> >If > >> >> you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, or > >copy, > >> >> this message. If you have received this message in error, please > >delete > >> >> this e-mail plus any attachments and immediately notify the sender. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 > >> 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 > >> 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.org > >> > >> Information contained in this message is privileged and confidential. > >If > >> you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, or copy, > >> this message. If you have received this message in error, please delete > >> this e-mail plus any attachments and immediately notify the sender. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 > 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 > 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.org > > Information contained in this message is privileged and confidential. If > you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, or copy, > this message. If you have received this message in error, please delete > this e-mail plus any attachments and immediately notify the sender. > > > From cliebow at midmaine.com Fri Feb 17 18:50:20 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:50:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] MMS-->K12 In-Reply-To: References: <59035.172.28.8.55.1140187098.squirrel@172.28.8.55> <20060217151013.M6702@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <53293.169.244.70.148.1140202220.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> we use mms for this district but i am not at all familiar with its underlying structure..it holds student information grades attendance..i think it is quite adaptable to output in text form..I am told it is becoming more and more browser based which would mean more accessibler from linux.. It should be relatively trivial to take text information build a schema for it and export the same info to ldap..chuck From norm.hanna at gmail.com Fri Feb 17 19:14:50 2006 From: norm.hanna at gmail.com (norm hanna) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:14:50 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] sound using esd does not work on 4.4.1 Message-ID: <229768c70602171114p3dd0af03p9cbb701bc02bb21a@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the guidance. It is frustrating, but yes, my installation seems to run inversely from the documentation. I will try to specify the name/ipaddress of the client in the settings for xmms and see what happens, I know how to do that. You have mentioned turning on the "sound hacks" option.....This is the first that I have heard of the "sound hacks". Could you please tell me what I must run or configure to turn on the "sound hacks"? How do I see if the "sound hacks" are enabled? Norm ---------------------------------------------------- Generally in LTSP when logged in as root sound is not sent to clients; sound is only sent when logged in as a user. You seem to have turned it the other way around. Try logging in as user run xmms and specify the name/ip address of the client in the settings and see what happens. Krsnendu dasa P.S. I have a 4.4.1 sandbox but I have not really tested the sound on it yet. I also considered it for the sound feature. At the same time I installed the sandbox I also turned on the "sound hacks" option in my production 4.2.0server and now sound works well. xmms, tuxmath, flash websites, Mplayer, etc. Haven't got WINE sound working yet... norm hanna wrote: Sorry for going over this again, but I have a sound issue on the clients (which is the driving factor towards moving to 4.4.1) In the test thjn client, I am having difficulties with sound using esd and gnome under version 4.4.1. The test server was built by taking all the defaults in the 4.4.1 installation. I have also tried with all defaults and yum -y upgrade with exact same results. Both the thin client and the server have the same sound integrated i810_audio. When I log into the thin client as root, sound works well under xmms, rhythmbox (with gstreamer-plugins), gstreamer-properties, sounds from the sound server under gnome, etc.....even the volume controls show up. esdplay /usr/share/sounds/phone.wav works well. using "tcpdump | grep 16001" on the server console when running the command esdplay /usr/share/sounds/phone.wav on the thin clien , I see a lot of activity. but when I login as any user, nothing works. using gstreamer-properties, when I test esd, nothing. esdplay /usr/share/sounds/phone.wav, nothing. I do not get errors from esdplay, gstreamer-properties test returns "failed to construct test pipeline for "ESD - Enlightenment Sound Daemon" "tcpdump | grep 16001" does not return any activity. I think this is a rights issue, or setup of esd, but I am unable to locate / or solve the issue. Any help, guidence would be appreciated. I thank you in advance for any assistance solving this issue, norm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From webmaster at vol.org Fri Feb 17 20:04:27 2006 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:04:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] MMS-->K12 In-Reply-To: <1140192525.5663.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <59035.172.28.8.55.1140187098.squirrel@172.28.8.55> <20060217151013.M6702@winonacotter.org> <1140192525.5663.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1140206667.30940.68.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 10:08, Paul VanGundy wrote: > We recently changed to PowerSchool, which is a web-based SIS, and are dropping MMS > at the end of this year. We were evaluating PowerSchool last year before upgrading to the newest Windows version of PDS (specifically written for Catholic schools). Out of curiosity, do your users use the web interface of PowerSchool with either Mozilla or Firefox from LTSP terminals? Do they use the Windows based gradebook software? -- george kocke http://www.vol.org From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Feb 17 20:14:26 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:14:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - school financial/accounting software In-Reply-To: <20060217085641.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.31206724f2.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20060217085641.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.31206724f2.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: It wouldn't hurt to ask the SQL Ledger people about adding a payroll module. If the upgrade is going to cost you 50K then you ought to be willing to shell out SOMETHING for them to add a payroll module if it works for you otherwise. On Feb 17, 2006, at 9:56 AM, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > I looked at SQL Ledger and it does look nice, simple interface. It > doesn't have a payroll module and unfortunately we do that inhouse. I > haven't seen any programs that have the payroll module. I appreciate > all that have sent input on this subject. > > > Thanks, > > Ron > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT - school financial/accounting software >> From: Angus Carr >> Date: Fri, February 17, 2006 9:51 am >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> >> Andrew Fisk wrote: >> >>> did you take a look at SQL ledger -- it's free, fairly easy to >>> install and comes with templates for all kinds of businesses -- I >>> don't know if they set one up for schools, but it's a quick download >>> to find out. If google is to be believed, it looks like schools in >>> the uk are using or evaluating it -- they may already have the >>> customizations done. Of course you would have to work in pounds :) >>> >>>> Does anyone use an opensource school accounting/book keeping >>>> application. We are looking at upgrading our current software, >>>> McAleer >>>> School Accounting, and I would love to consider something >>>> opensource. >>>> The upgrade is going to cost us $50,000.00! >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Ron >>>> >> I second the suggestion for SQL-Ledger- we use it for a small >> preschool >> here. It does what's needed, and provides simple enough processing >> for >> invoices. We use it with emailing invoices and the like, and it just >> plain works. I had to set up the chart of accounts to match my needs, >> but it's been smooth sailing from there. The CofA is probably already >> developed in your old software, so all you need to do is replicate >> the >> familiar accounts structure. You'll be set. >> >> Angus Carr. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From k12osn at perusion.com Fri Feb 17 20:27:16 2006 From: k12osn at perusion.com (Mike Heins) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:27:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MMS-->K12 In-Reply-To: <53293.169.244.70.148.1140202220.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <59035.172.28.8.55.1140187098.squirrel@172.28.8.55> <20060217151013.M6702@winonacotter.org> <53293.169.244.70.148.1140202220.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <20060217202716.GA13347@bill.heins.net> Quoting cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com): > we use mms for this district but i am not at all familiar with its What is mms? Is there a URL? -- Mike Heins Perusion -- Expert Interchange Consulting http://www.perusion.com/ phone +1.765.647.1295 tollfree 800-949-1889 Unix version of an Outlook-style virus: It works on the honor system. Please forward this message to everyone you know, and delete a bunch of your files at random. From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Feb 17 20:37:07 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:37:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MMS-->K12 In-Reply-To: <20060217202716.GA13347@bill.heins.net> References: <59035.172.28.8.55.1140187098.squirrel@172.28.8.55> <20060217151013.M6702@winonacotter.org> <53293.169.244.70.148.1140202220.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <20060217202716.GA13347@bill.heins.net> Message-ID: <1140208628.10340.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mike, MMS stands for Modular Management System. The website is www.cri-mms.com -Paul On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 15:27 -0500, Mike Heins wrote: > Quoting cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com): > > we use mms for this district but i am not at all familiar with its > > What is mms? Is there a URL? > From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Feb 17 20:37:37 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:37:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] MMS-->K12 In-Reply-To: <20060217202716.GA13347@bill.heins.net> References: <59035.172.28.8.55.1140187098.squirrel@172.28.8.55> <20060217151013.M6702@winonacotter.org> <53293.169.244.70.148.1140202220.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <20060217202716.GA13347@bill.heins.net> Message-ID: <43F63411.9000801@mesd.k12.or.us> Mike Heins wrote: > Quoting cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com): > >>we use mms for this district but i am not at all familiar with its > > > What is mms? Is there a URL? http://www.google.com/search?q=mms+%22student+information+system%22&btnI=I%27m+Feeling+Lucky -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Fri Feb 17 20:47:42 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:47:42 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] sound using esd does not work on 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <229768c70602171114p3dd0af03p9cbb701bc02bb21a@mail.gmail.com> References: <229768c70602171114p3dd0af03p9cbb701bc02bb21a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43F6366E.9010600@orcon.net.nz> The options are set in the following file. /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp I am not sure if it is in 4.4.1 It may have already been written into the system as a default. norm hanna wrote: > Thanks for the guidance. It is frustrating, but yes, my installation > seems to run inversely from the documentation. > > I will try to specify the name/ipaddress of the client in the settings > for xmms and see what happens, I know how to do that. > > You have mentioned turning on the "sound hacks" option.....This is the > first that I have heard of the "sound hacks". Could you please tell > me what I must run or configure to turn on the "sound hacks"? How do > I see if the "sound hacks" are enabled? > > Norm > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Generally in LTSP when logged in as root sound is not sent to clients; > sound is only sent when logged in as a user. You seem to have turned > it the other way around. Try logging in as user run xmms and specify > the name/ip address of the client in the settings and see what happens. > >Krsnendu dasa > > > > P.S. I have a 4.4.1 sandbox but I have not really tested the sound on > it yet. I also considered it for the sound feature. At the same time I > installed the sandbox I also turned on the "sound hacks" option in my > production 4.2.0 server and now sound works well. xmms, tuxmath, flash > websites, Mplayer, etc. Haven't got WINE sound working yet... > >norm hanna wrote: > > > > Sorry for going over this again, but I have a sound issue on the > clients (which is the driving factor towards moving to 4.4.1) In the > test thjn client, I am having difficulties with sound using esd and > gnome under version 4.4.1. The test server was built by taking all the > defaults in the 4.4.1 installation. I have also tried with all > defaults and yum -y upgrade with exact same results. Both the thin > client and the server have the same sound integrated i810_audio. When > I log into the thin client as root, sound works well under xmms, > rhythmbox (with gstreamer-plugins), gstreamer-properties, sounds from > the sound server under gnome, etc.....even the volume controls show > up. esdplay /usr/share/sounds/phone.wav works well. using "tcpdump | > grep 16001" on the server console when running the command esdplay > /usr/share/sounds/phone.wav on the thin clien , I see a lot of > activity. but when I login as any user, nothing works. using > gstreamer-properties, when I test esd, nothing. esdplay > /usr/share/sounds/phone.wav, nothing. I do not get errors from > esdplay, gstreamer-properties test returns "failed to construct test > pipeline for "ESD - Enlightenment Sound Daemon" "tcpdump | grep 16001" > does not return any activity. I think this is a rights issue, or setup > of esd, but I am unable to locate / or solve the issue. Any help, > guidence would be appreciated. > >I thank you in advance for any assistance solving this issue, > >norm > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From opensource at whitenitro.com Fri Feb 17 21:30:42 2006 From: opensource at whitenitro.com (Bryant Patten) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:30:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] North Central Linux Symposium In-Reply-To: <20060217160906.48EC47312F@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060217160906.48EC47312F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44f33804595fa5cb1fa12cb216f717f5@whitenitro.com> I am trying to create a list of Open Source and Educational conferences. These would be conferences specifically focussed on FOSS and Education. I know that NECC (and VermontFest and MECC...) are including more Open Source sessions but the I am currently targeting conference like NELS. Other than NELS and the North Central Linux Symposium, do people know of any other conferences or gatherings? Bryant Patten White Nitro, LLC On Feb 17, 2006, at 11:09 AM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Everyone here is invited to join bunch of us from around the upper > midwest for a conference we're calling the North Central Linux > Symposium, to be held June 15 & 16 in St. Louis Park, a Minneapolis > suburb (because that's where I live). Although the title says Linux, > the focus is on LTSP and K12LTSP. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Feb 18 01:31:01 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:31:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sound advice K12LTSP with Windows Terminal Server 2003 Message-ID: I need some ideas. I have a K12LTSP network with a mix of terminals, but my lab and the library are all LTSP Term 150's from disklessworkstations.com. My issue....getting sound to work well on the K12LTSP terminals from within the Windows Terminal Server session. Background: I have nasd enabled in lts.conf and in Linux....everything works....Flash, MPlayer....games....everything. If I type rdesktop -f -a 16 -d vcsnet -r sound 10..0.7.253 and log in....I get sound....albeit very choppy and with considerable delay. Today I was off-site with my Ubuntu laptop and I figured "what the heck"....I tried to get sound working in an rdesktop session by typing the command above with an external IP to access my server and lo' and behold the sound worked great! Now granted....we're talking local install vs. terminal.....and we're also dealing with esd and possibly gstreamer...etc. vs. nasd. Does anyone out there have sound from Windows Terminal services working alright through their terminals....and if so....how'd you do it? Also....any advice on what I can try....I'm open to trying new sound ideas so long as it'll work with Flash. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Feb 18 01:33:01 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:33:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sound advice K12LTSP with Windows Terminal Server 2003 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh....one more thing...I'm using IceWM too.....(this sometimes makes a difference) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, February 17, 2006 at 8:31 PM +0000 wrote: >I need some ideas. > >I have a K12LTSP network with a mix of terminals, but my lab and the >library are all LTSP Term 150's from disklessworkstations.com. My >issue....getting sound to work well on the K12LTSP terminals from within >the Windows Terminal Server session. > >Background: I have nasd enabled in lts.conf and in Linux....everything >works....Flash, MPlayer....games....everything. If I type rdesktop -f >-a 16 -d vcsnet -r sound 10..0.7.253 and log in....I get >sound....albeit very choppy and with considerable delay. > >Today I was off-site with my Ubuntu laptop and I figured "what the >heck"....I tried to get sound working in an rdesktop session by typing the >command above with an external IP to access my server and lo' and behold >the sound worked great! Now granted....we're talking local install vs. >terminal.....and we're also dealing with esd and possibly gstreamer...etc. >vs. nasd. > >Does anyone out there have sound from Windows Terminal services working >alright through their terminals....and if so....how'd you do it? >Also....any advice on what I can try....I'm open to trying new sound ideas >so long as it'll work with Flash. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Director >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Feb 18 01:33:01 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:33:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sound advice K12LTSP with Windows Terminal Server 2003 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh....one more thing...I'm using IceWM too.....(this sometimes makes a difference) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, February 17, 2006 at 8:31 PM +0000 wrote: >I need some ideas. > >I have a K12LTSP network with a mix of terminals, but my lab and the >library are all LTSP Term 150's from disklessworkstations.com. My >issue....getting sound to work well on the K12LTSP terminals from within >the Windows Terminal Server session. > >Background: I have nasd enabled in lts.conf and in Linux....everything >works....Flash, MPlayer....games....everything. If I type rdesktop -f >-a 16 -d vcsnet -r sound 10..0.7.253 and log in....I get >sound....albeit very choppy and with considerable delay. > >Today I was off-site with my Ubuntu laptop and I figured "what the >heck"....I tried to get sound working in an rdesktop session by typing the >command above with an external IP to access my server and lo' and behold >the sound worked great! Now granted....we're talking local install vs. >terminal.....and we're also dealing with esd and possibly gstreamer...etc. >vs. nasd. > >Does anyone out there have sound from Windows Terminal services working >alright through their terminals....and if so....how'd you do it? >Also....any advice on what I can try....I'm open to trying new sound ideas >so long as it'll work with Flash. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Director >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sat Feb 18 02:08:26 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:08:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sound advice K12LTSP with Windows Terminal Server 2003 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd317560602171808i59a998ceg7fa032978bca6a70@mail.gmail.com> >From what I've heard it's an either/or situation between a linux sound driver and dsp sound from the 2k3 server. Ask Gideon about it. Peter On 2/17/06, David Trask wrote: > Oh....one more thing...I'm using IceWM too.....(this sometimes makes a > difference) > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Friday, February 17, 2006 at 8:31 PM +0000 wrote: > >I need some ideas. > > > >I have a K12LTSP network with a mix of terminals, but my lab and the > >library are all LTSP Term 150's from disklessworkstations.com. My > >issue....getting sound to work well on the K12LTSP terminals from within > >the Windows Terminal Server session. > > > >Background: I have nasd enabled in lts.conf and in Linux....everything > >works....Flash, MPlayer....games....everything. If I type rdesktop -f > >-a 16 -d vcsnet -r sound 10..0.7.253 and log in....I get > >sound....albeit very choppy and with considerable delay. > > > >Today I was off-site with my Ubuntu laptop and I figured "what the > >heck"....I tried to get sound working in an rdesktop session by typing the > >command above with an external IP to access my server and lo' and behold > >the sound worked great! Now granted....we're talking local install vs. > >terminal.....and we're also dealing with esd and possibly gstreamer...etc. > >vs. nasd. > > > >Does anyone out there have sound from Windows Terminal services working > >alright through their terminals....and if so....how'd you do it? > >Also....any advice on what I can try....I'm open to trying new sound ideas > >so long as it'll work with Flash. > > > >David N. Trask > >Technology Teacher/Director > >Vassalboro Community School > >dtrask at vcsvikings.org > >(207)923-3100 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sat Feb 18 14:56:21 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:56:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] cx5330 audio driver question Message-ID: <60777.70.96.69.243.1140274581.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Hello List, Has anyone had any experieces with the cx5330 soundcard driver? I've just got a Neoware EON thin client that setup very easily,with just enabling Boot Lan first in Bios. But with speakers plugged into it, as soon as i power on, i here the processor, (sounds kinda like starwars very faintly),coming through the speakers,even while booting up. Im guessing it is something wonky with the unit itself. I dont have a second one to try, to determine this for sure. When booing it loads the cx5330 soundcard driver ,and also says something about licensing, "loaded with warnings"? It gets the "accepting connections on port 16001" message so that usually indicates K12LTSP sees this card as good. As soon as i open xmms on this machine and choose a sample sound file in /usr/share/sounds the screen locks,and all i can do is logout. Ive googled on this and have found some "close to" results that i am getting with other flavors of Linux. This has the Geode processor in it,I beleive? The usb ports do work correctly on this little box,too. Im guessing this sound driver is not used on very few chipsets,,hence very few listings when googling. K12LTSP v 4.1.1 Thank You, Barry Cisna From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Feb 18 20:54:56 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:54:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Interesting article abount firefox memory usage In-Reply-To: <43F4D256.70809@McQuil.com> References: <43F4D256.70809@McQuil.com> Message-ID: Jim McQuillan on Thursday, February 16, 2006 at 2:28 PM +0000 wrote: >http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/ben/archives/009749.html Very cool....I have 1.5 and will give it a try early in the week....I did find that entry in about:config in 1.5 David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From carl at snarlnet.com Sun Feb 19 22:27:25 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:27:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT-BackupPC Errors Message-ID: <43F8F0CD.5070709@snarlnet.com> Hi everybody, Sorry about the OT, but I heard about BackupPC here, and it is K12LTSP servers that I'm backing up with it. Anyway, For a little over a week now I've been getting " aborted by signal=PIPE" messages on my backuppc home page. Here's the "errors only" log entry for one of my servers, the other server looks identical (but I haven't parsed it out line for line to be sure, but it looks like the same file is breaking both servers.) Running: /usr/bin/ssh -q -x -l root 69.30.69.155 /usr/bin/rsync --server --sender --numeric-ids --perms --owner --group --devices --links --times --block-size=2048 --recursive --one-file-system --exclude /var/spool/squid --exclude slocated.db --exclude /proc --exclude /ckeil/secret --exclude /www/k12ltsp --exclude /lost+found --exclude=/proc --exclude=/var/spool/squid --exclude=slocate.db --exclude=/ckeil/secret --exclude=/www/k12ltsp . / Xfer PIDs are now 17161 Got remote protocol 29 Xfer PIDs are now 17161,17164 [ skipped 28427 lines ] Read EOF: Tried again: got 0 bytes finish: removing in-process file var/cache/yum/extras/primary.xml.gz [ skipped 3 lines ] Can't write 4 bytes to socket [ skipped 10 lines ] Done: 47 files, 8092310 bytes Got fatal error during xfer (aborted by signal=PIPE) Backup aborted by user signal Does anyone have a clue how to fix this? I don't know what to do here? I tried a "yum clean all" hoping that would rewrite the file or something, to no avail. It seems odd that both servers would be having trouble with the same file, perhaps that means my backuppc server is the box with the problem. Thanks, ck From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Mon Feb 20 14:59:00 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:59:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - school financial/accounting software In-Reply-To: References: <20060217085641.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.31206724f2.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <43F9D934.6010407@saskforestcentre.ca> WRT Payroll for SQL-Ledger: There is a canadian payroll program available (cdnpayroll) which does our payroll for us. It has in the past been adapted to doing the queries for SL. That isn't working right now, however. We do the payroll GL entries manually, and set up Vendor Invoices for the employees. That way, we can track individual employees (for tax time) and still get overall payroll costs. Angus Carr. Burke Almquist wrote: > It wouldn't hurt to ask the SQL Ledger people about adding a payroll > module. If the upgrade is going to cost you 50K then you ought to be > willing to shell out SOMETHING for them to add a payroll module > if it works for you otherwise. > > On Feb 17, 2006, at 9:56 AM, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > >> I looked at SQL Ledger and it does look nice, simple interface. It >> doesn't have a payroll module and unfortunately we do that inhouse. I >> haven't seen any programs that have the payroll module. I appreciate >> all that have sent input on this subject. >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ron >> >> >> Ronald R. McDaniel >> Conecuh County Schools >> (251) 578-7073 x26 >> (251) 238-1890 cell >> 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc >> rmcdaniel at indata.us >> >> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT - school financial/accounting software >>> From: Angus Carr >>> Date: Fri, February 17, 2006 9:51 am >>> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >>> >>> >>> Andrew Fisk wrote: >>> >>>> did you take a look at SQL ledger -- it's free, fairly easy to >>>> install and comes with templates for all kinds of businesses -- I >>>> don't know if they set one up for schools, but it's a quick download >>>> to find out. If google is to be believed, it looks like schools in >>>> the uk are using or evaluating it -- they may already have the >>>> customizations done. Of course you would have to work in pounds :) >>>> >>>>> Does anyone use an opensource school accounting/book keeping >>>>> application. We are looking at upgrading our current software, >>>>> McAleer >>>>> School Accounting, and I would love to consider something >>>>> opensource. >>>>> The upgrade is going to cost us $50,000.00! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Ron >>>>> >>> I second the suggestion for SQL-Ledger- we use it for a small >>> preschool >>> here. It does what's needed, and provides simple enough processing for >>> invoices. We use it with emailing invoices and the like, and it just >>> plain works. I had to set up the chart of accounts to match my needs, >>> but it's been smooth sailing from there. The CofA is probably already >>> developed in your old software, so all you need to do is replicate the >>> familiar accounts structure. You'll be set. >>> >>> Angus Carr. >>> From gumprechtm at msad3.org Mon Feb 20 19:45:46 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:45:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MMS-->K12 In-Reply-To: References: <59035.172.28.8.55.1140187098.squirrel@172.28.8.55> <20060217151013.M6702@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <43FA1C6A.2040005@msad3.org> The older system stinks the newer one is better. The student grade part (classroll.com) is web based. I have the mms main setup on a winblows terminal server and everyone (secretaries and admin) log in from their buildings with remote desktop. Rdesktop from a linux terminal works just as good. I do not have a choice on the SIS so I did what was necessary to keep my M$ to a minimum. Mark Access Systems wrote: >got a school that is interested but concerned that all the records they >now have stored in "MMS" (I don't know what this is) will not be >accessible if they switch to K12. > >anyone have any experience in this???? > >thanks >Bob > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary >safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net > NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers > NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right >*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# >THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be >privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From hackl at lskysd.ca Mon Feb 20 20:27:42 2006 From: hackl at lskysd.ca (Ryan Hackl - Spiritwood High) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:27:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] sound advice K12LTSP with Windows Terminal Server 2003 In-Reply-To: <9bd317560602171808i59a998ceg7fa032978bca6a70@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560602171808i59a998ceg7fa032978bca6a70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060220202450.M68680@bsd.sk.ca> Hi! Here's what helped me (with our HP T5515 clients and W2K3 server): On the Terminal Server goto admin tools -> terminal services config -> connections -> RDP connection -> Properties -> client settings tab -> and check to make sure that audio mapping is not checked. If it is checked and you uncheck it any clients currently connected will have to disconnect and reconnect (sometimes even a restart of the client and/or server is needed) for the changes to take effect. Hope this helps! - Ryan ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Peter Hartmann" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:08:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] sound advice K12LTSP with Windows Terminal Server 2003 > >From what I've heard it's an either/or situation between a linux > sound driver and dsp sound from the 2k3 server. Ask Gideon about it. > > Peter > > On 2/17/06, David Trask wrote: > > Oh....one more thing...I'm using IceWM too.....(this sometimes makes a > > difference) > > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > > Friday, February 17, 2006 at 8:31 PM +0000 wrote: > > >I need some ideas. > > > > > >I have a K12LTSP network with a mix of terminals, but my lab and the > > >library are all LTSP Term 150's from disklessworkstations.com. My > > >issue....getting sound to work well on the K12LTSP terminals from within > > >the Windows Terminal Server session. > > > > > >Background: I have nasd enabled in lts.conf and in Linux....everything > > >works....Flash, MPlayer....games....everything. If I type rdesktop -f > > >-a 16 -d vcsnet -r sound 10..0.7.253 and log in....I get > > >sound....albeit very choppy and with considerable delay. > > > > > >Today I was off-site with my Ubuntu laptop and I figured "what the > > >heck"....I tried to get sound working in an rdesktop session by typing the > > >command above with an external IP to access my server and lo' and behold > > >the sound worked great! Now granted....we're talking local install vs. > > >terminal.....and we're also dealing with esd and possibly gstreamer...etc. > > >vs. nasd. > > > > > >Does anyone out there have sound from Windows Terminal services working > > >alright through their terminals....and if so....how'd you do it? > > >Also....any advice on what I can try....I'm open to trying new sound ideas > > >so long as it'll work with Flash. > > > > > >David N. Trask > > >Technology Teacher/Director > > >Vassalboro Community School > > >dtrask at vcsvikings.org > > >(207)923-3100 > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >K12OSN mailing list > > >K12OSN at redhat.com > > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >For more info see > > > > > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Director > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > > (207)923-3100 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ------- End of Original Message ------- From rjpiercy2 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 20 20:49:24 2006 From: rjpiercy2 at yahoo.com (robert piercy) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:49:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT - school financial/accounting software (Robert Piercy) In-Reply-To: <20060220170043.EDE667387D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060220204924.12425.qmail@web81912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, I am not sure if you have checked out gnucash: http://www.gnucash.org/ It seems to have a dedicated community behind it with lots of upgrades. Robert Piercy Robert Piercy Cofounder, Independent Concepts 3621 W Indian Creek Rd Bloomington, IN 47403 812.336.7670 (home) 812.345.6569 (cel) From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Feb 21 15:16:10 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:16:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] USB on K12LTSP 4.4.1 (ready to take the plunge...need the how-to) Message-ID: Hi all...I'm ready to take the plunge on enabling USB thumbdrives on my K12LTSP terminals....I'm running 4.41 and would like to know where the best (read easiest) how-to is. I'm hoping to do this today or tomorrow a.m. so let me know...thx :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Feb 21 15:39:15 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:39:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] USB on K12LTSP 4.4.1 (ready to take the plunge...need the how-to) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50677.169.244.70.148.1140536355.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> david: i built the newest lbe yesterday with usb with the advances jim and scottie made this weekend..havnt got a .config to build a matching kernel yet..but i can send the nfsmount to you if you like chuck > Hi all...I'm ready to take the plunge on enabling USB thumbdrives on my > K12LTSP terminals....I'm running 4.41 and would like to know where the > best (read easiest) how-to is. I'm hoping to do this today or tomorrow > a.m. so let me know...thx :-) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 21 15:40:53 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:40:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] USB on K12LTSP 4.4.1 (ready to take the plunge...need the how-to) In-Reply-To: <50677.169.244.70.148.1140536355.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <50677.169.244.70.148.1140536355.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <43FB3485.8030806@maltzen.net> Chuck- Did you use ltspfs and fuse? cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > david: i built the newest lbe yesterday with usb with the advances jim and > scottie made this weekend..havnt got a .config to build a matching kernel > yet..but i can send the nfsmount to you if you like > chuck > >> Hi all...I'm ready to take the plunge on enabling USB thumbdrives on my >> K12LTSP terminals....I'm running 4.41 and would like to know where the >> best (read easiest) how-to is. I'm hoping to do this today or tomorrow >> a.m. so let me know...thx :-) >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Director >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >> (207)923-3100 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Feb 21 15:54:16 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:54:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] USB on K12LTSP 4.4.1 (ready to take the plunge...need the how-to) Message-ID: <54270.172.28.8.55.1140537256.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hi David, Ive done a couple of new 4.4.1 default installs,recently and only had to enable the floppy access in the /opt/ltsp/etc/ lts.conf file. RCFILE_01 = floppyd # uncomment this line make sure you select the "U:" drive in FMtools . Most all usb/pen drives works on the terminals providing you dont have the first generation pentium one's (which we have several of here) that K12LTSP/FC3-4 does not initialze the usb ports correctly. I have had a couple of USB pen drives,cant remeber brand names that wouldnt work correctly though? I think they were USB 2.0 spec. Have a go at it. Hope this helps, Barry Cisna From rmccaa at tiu11.org Tue Feb 21 20:50:59 2006 From: rmccaa at tiu11.org (Bob McCaa) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:50:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC into server from outside In-Reply-To: <1139933471.43f2011f74fab@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> References: <78fd2178fa36.78fa3678fd21@texas.rr.com> <1139933471.43f2011f74fab@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <1140555059.9959.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Do you have a firewall on your "outside" interface? Could it be blocking VNC access? On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 11:11 -0500, mark at ehle.homelinux.org wrote: > Folks - > > I installed a fresh copy of K12LTSP-4.4.1 on my server, ran vncpasswd, fired up > vncserver, and I can't vnc into the server from the outside. What am I missing? > > Thanks! > > Mark > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From william at fragakis.com Tue Feb 21 20:54:33 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:54:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop resolution issue Message-ID: <13dcf908fe86a89e3092855b227b4b7b@fragakis.com> I've googled to no avail. I hope someone can help. We've built a cart of IBM Celeron laptops which are thin (wayfast) clients off of 4.4.1 running on a P4 server with Intel i865 (iirc) video. So far, so good. Issue is that I've tried to set the desktop at 1064 x 768 but I get a 800 x 600 resolution on a 1064 x 768 desktop - the funky one whose edges go past the edge of the monitor. When I go to preferences, it shows that I'm in 1064 x 768. The only fix is to choose another resolution then go back. Then I get real 1064. However, when the server restarts, the issue returns. I've hardcoded 1064 in lts.conf both with and without additional resolution info and still get the same problem. I'm sure it's something simple but what am I missing here? btw, we are using GNOME on kdm so we can automate login if that matters. regards, William Fragakis morrisbrandon.com Morris Brandon Elementary From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Wed Feb 22 00:12:53 2006 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:12:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop resolution issue In-Reply-To: <13dcf908fe86a89e3092855b227b4b7b@fragakis.com> References: <13dcf908fe86a89e3092855b227b4b7b@fragakis.com> Message-ID: <1140567173.32694.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> You may need to add a kernel command line option to set the video framebuffer to 1024x768 (some laptops are funny that way). See: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/KernelOptions and try adding the kernel command line option: vga=0x318 -Gadi PS: I'm not positive this is the problem. Just a guess. On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 15:54 -0500, William Fragakis wrote: > I've googled to no avail. I hope someone can help. We've built a cart > of IBM Celeron laptops which are thin (wayfast) clients off of 4.4.1 > running on a P4 server with Intel i865 (iirc) video. > > So far, so good. Issue is that I've tried to set the desktop at 1064 x > 768 but I get a 800 x 600 resolution on a 1064 x 768 desktop - the > funky one whose edges go past the edge of the monitor. When I go to > preferences, it shows that I'm in 1064 x 768. The only fix is to choose > another resolution then go back. Then I get real 1064. However, when > the server restarts, the issue returns. > > I've hardcoded 1064 in lts.conf both with and without additional > resolution info and still get the same problem. I'm sure it's something > simple but what am I missing here? > > btw, we are using GNOME on kdm so we can automate login if that matters. > > regards, > William Fragakis > morrisbrandon.com > Morris Brandon Elementary > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Wed Feb 22 00:21:06 2006 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:21:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop resolution issue In-Reply-To: <1140567173.32694.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <13dcf908fe86a89e3092855b227b4b7b@fragakis.com> <1140567173.32694.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1140567666.32694.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Also try "vga=791" -Gadi On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 19:12 -0500, Gideon Romm wrote: > You may need to add a kernel command line option to set the video > framebuffer to 1024x768 (some laptops are funny that way). > > See: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/KernelOptions > > and try adding the kernel command line option: vga=0x318 > > -Gadi > > PS: I'm not positive this is the problem. Just a guess. > > On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 15:54 -0500, William Fragakis wrote: > > I've googled to no avail. I hope someone can help. We've built a cart > > of IBM Celeron laptops which are thin (wayfast) clients off of 4.4.1 > > running on a P4 server with Intel i865 (iirc) video. > > > > So far, so good. Issue is that I've tried to set the desktop at 1064 x > > 768 but I get a 800 x 600 resolution on a 1064 x 768 desktop - the > > funky one whose edges go past the edge of the monitor. When I go to > > preferences, it shows that I'm in 1064 x 768. The only fix is to choose > > another resolution then go back. Then I get real 1064. However, when > > the server restarts, the issue returns. > > > > I've hardcoded 1064 in lts.conf both with and without additional > > resolution info and still get the same problem. I'm sure it's something > > simple but what am I missing here? > > > > btw, we are using GNOME on kdm so we can automate login if that matters. > > > > regards, > > William Fragakis > > morrisbrandon.com > > Morris Brandon Elementary > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From JRuff at Sihope.com Wed Feb 22 03:26:02 2006 From: JRuff at Sihope.com (John G Ruff) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:26:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop resolution issue In-Reply-To: <13dcf908fe86a89e3092855b227b4b7b@fragakis.com> References: <13dcf908fe86a89e3092855b227b4b7b@fragakis.com> Message-ID: <1140578762.6301.12.camel@johnruff.updates4you.com> Is there any chance that you typed in 1064 instead of 1024 in the config file? (This is not meant as anything other than a helpful question.) jr On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 15:54 -0500, William Fragakis wrote: > I've googled to no avail. I hope someone can help. We've built a cart > of IBM Celeron laptops which are thin (wayfast) clients off of 4.4.1 > running on a P4 server with Intel i865 (iirc) video. > > So far, so good. Issue is that I've tried to set the desktop at 1064 x > 768 but I get a 800 x 600 resolution on a 1064 x 768 desktop - the > funky one whose edges go past the edge of the monitor. When I go to > preferences, it shows that I'm in 1064 x 768. The only fix is to choose > another resolution then go back. Then I get real 1064. However, when > the server restarts, the issue returns. > > I've hardcoded 1064 in lts.conf both with and without additional > resolution info and still get the same problem. I'm sure it's something > simple but what am I missing here? > > btw, we are using GNOME on kdm so we can automate login if that matters. > > regards, > William Fragakis > morrisbrandon.com > Morris Brandon Elementary > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From william at fragakis.com Wed Feb 22 19:23:07 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:23:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop resolution issue In-Reply-To: <20060222170030.63212738FF@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060222170030.63212738FF@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <8c014789149c5af261cb364cb9f03ff3@fragakis.com> I"m pretty sure it's not a typo as I did a copy and paste from the sample configs in lts.conf my brain sometimes gets all the variation of 2 to n mixed up (64, 128, 512, 768, etc.) Thanks all for the kernel config hints. I'll try those. regards, William On Feb 22, 2006, at 12:00 PM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:26:02 -0600 > From: John G Ruff > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] desktop resolution issue > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <1140578762.6301.12.camel at johnruff.updates4you.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Is there any chance that you typed in 1064 instead of 1024 in the > config > file? (This is not meant as anything other than a helpful question.) > > jr > > > On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 15:54 -0500, William Fragakis wrote: >> I've googled to no avail. I hope someone can help. We've built a cart >> of IBM Celeron laptops which are thin (wayfast) clients off of 4.4.1 >> running on a P4 server with Intel i865 (iirc) video. >> From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Wed Feb 22 20:23:29 2006 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (RiE) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:23:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop resolution issue In-Reply-To: <8c014789149c5af261cb364cb9f03ff3@fragakis.com> References: <20060222170030.63212738FF@hormel.redhat.com> <8c014789149c5af261cb364cb9f03ff3@fragakis.com> Message-ID: <69b790a80602221223i552bd827jb9ebcfa965341c0f@mail.gmail.com> On 2/22/06, William Fragakis wrote: > I"m pretty sure it's not a typo as I did a copy and paste from the > sample configs in lts.conf > > my brain sometimes gets all the variation of 2 to n mixed up (64, 128, > 512, 768, etc.) Are you saying the 1064 is not a typo? 1024 is what one normally sees. From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Wed Feb 22 22:08:41 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:08:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop resolution issue In-Reply-To: <69b790a80602221223i552bd827jb9ebcfa965341c0f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060222170030.63212738FF@hormel.redhat.com> <8c014789149c5af261cb364cb9f03ff3@fragakis.com> <69b790a80602221223i552bd827jb9ebcfa965341c0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1140646121.17195.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Probably a typo. I've never heard of a 1064x768 resolution or anyone using it. If you force 1064x768, which you can in lts.conf, it would yield a poor screen resolution (if your monitor/video card and even show/push that). -Paul On Wed, 2006-02-22 at 12:23 -0800, RiE wrote: > On 2/22/06, William Fragakis wrote: > > I"m pretty sure it's not a typo as I did a copy and paste from the > > sample configs in lts.conf > > > > my brain sometimes gets all the variation of 2 to n mixed up (64, 128, > > 512, 768, etc.) > > Are you saying the 1064 is not a typo? 1024 is what one normally sees. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Feb 23 02:24:21 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:54:21 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop resolution issue In-Reply-To: <1140646121.17195.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060222170030.63212738FF@hormel.redhat.com> <8c014789149c5af261cb364cb9f03ff3@fragakis.com> <69b790a80602221223i552bd827jb9ebcfa965341c0f@mail.gmail.com> <1140646121.17195.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <774593a20602221824wbc49678k5b9defaaf8cd929e@mail.gmail.com> On 2/23/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > Probably a typo. I've never heard of a 1064x768 resolution or anyone > using it. If you force 1064x768, which you can in lts.conf, it would > yield a poor screen resolution (if your monitor/video card and even > show/push that). [SNIP] I do not that particular hardware but make sure for running 1024x768 that the vid memory is at least 2MB (2048kb) Some tme you have to allocate this in BIOS or plug it in vid cards. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Thu Feb 23 04:00:12 2006 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:00:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Podcasting In-Reply-To: References: <20060110084203.M88200@visdom.org> <20060110093224.M37601@visdom.org> Message-ID: On 1/17/06, Hoover Chan wrote: > Along the lines of this thread, I was wondering what you all are using to > _serve_ podcasts? > > I realize that the kernel of it all is some kind of RSS thing but I was > wondering whether there are third party Linux based server type tools to > make it easy to do. Apple's solution is to have me replace my server with > one that uses Mac OSX... Take a look at Wordpress.org. It automatically serves podcasts from posts. -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://ryancollins.org/ Humor - http://rightfullyso.com/ From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Thu Feb 23 12:53:43 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:53:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying with LTSP Message-ID: <43FDB057.6080203@independence.k12.ia.us> Greetings everyone, I am in the final stages of completing our first large LTSP lab. In the past, I have been setting the proxy settings inside Firefox, but would prefer to do this transparently. Does anyone have any experience doing this with ipchains, or any GUI-based firewalls? What is your advice? I'd also prefer to redirect to an existing squid/dansguardian proxy that I already have, but I can live with setting up an additional proxy if I have to. Thanks, Brad From luis.montes at cox.net Thu Feb 23 14:05:57 2006 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:05:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying with LTSP In-Reply-To: <43FDB057.6080203@independence.k12.ia.us> References: <43FDB057.6080203@independence.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <43FDC145.4030803@cox.net> Brad Johnson wrote: > Greetings everyone, > > I am in the final stages of completing our first large LTSP lab. In > the past, I have been setting the proxy settings inside Firefox, but > would prefer to do this transparently. Does anyone have any > experience doing this with ipchains, or any GUI-based firewalls? What > is your advice? I'd also prefer to redirect to an existing > squid/dansguardian proxy that I already have, but I can live with > setting up an additional proxy if I have to. > > Thanks, > > Brad > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > What are you using for your existing proxy? I've used clarkconnect in the past on a seperate box, but now I'm using ipcop. Both can be setup as transparent filters, but ipcop(with the cop plus addon) lets you schedule automatic blocklists for free. I believe Eric has also done some dansgaurdian/squidgaurd work in k12 as well. Luis From ddwelley at msad54.org Thu Feb 23 13:43:38 2006 From: ddwelley at msad54.org (Dan Dwelley) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:43:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC into server from outside Message-ID: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D794027317B8@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> VNC uses ports 6000, 590x, and 580x. Check your firewall to determine these ranges are not blocked. Dan -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McCaa Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:51 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] VNC into server from outside Do you have a firewall on your "outside" interface? Could it be blocking VNC access? On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 11:11 -0500, mark at ehle.homelinux.org wrote: > Folks - > > I installed a fresh copy of K12LTSP-4.4.1 on my server, ran vncpasswd, > fired up vncserver, and I can't vnc into the server from the outside. What am I missing? > > Thanks! > > Mark > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ddwelley at msad54.org Thu Feb 23 13:48:49 2006 From: ddwelley at msad54.org (Dan Dwelley) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:48:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update error Message-ID: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D794027317B9@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> Have you tried downloading the openldap-2.2.29-1.FC3.i386.rpm from http://rpm.pbone.net and installing it manually? This has worked for me in the past. (Make sure you check for dependancies first.) Dan -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:28 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] yum update error Joe Guenther wrote: > I have already done > yum clean all > > That seemed to work. But I still get this error. Is there trouble on > the repository end, or is it with my system? > > Joe Guenther > > = = = = error text = = = = = = = = = = = [root at ltsp ~]# yum clean all > Cleaning up Everything > 379 headers removed > 194 packages removed > 10 metadata files removed > 5 cache files removed > [root at ltsp ~]# yum update > Setting up Update Process > Setting up Repos > k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > extras 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > Reading repository metadata in from local files > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.0 MB 00:01 > MD Read : ################################################## 3426/3426 > k12ltsp : ################################################## 2894/2894 > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.3 kB 00:00 > MD Read : ################################################## 5/5 > webmin : ################################################## 5/5 > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 797 kB 00:00 > MD Read : ################################################## 2623/2623 > base : ################################################## 2622/2622 > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 342 kB 00:00 > MD Read : ################################################## 910/910 > updates-re: ################################################## 910/910 > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 745 kB 00:00 > MD Read : ################################################## 2115/2115 > extras : ################################################## 2115/2115 > Resolving Dependencies > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Downloading header for openldap to pack into transaction set. > openldap-2.2.29-1.FC3.i38 100% |=========================| 239 kB 00:00 > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.2.1/updates/openldap-2.2.29-1.F C3.i386.rpm: > [Errno -1] Header is not complete. > Trying other mirror. > Error: failure: updates/openldap-2.2.29-1.FC3.i386.rpm from k12ltsp: > [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. > > > I don't see anything that is obviously wrong from my end. I rebuilt the repository, just in case I missed something. Try running yum clean all & yum upgrade again... -Eric From mark at ehle.homelinux.org Thu Feb 23 13:56:12 2006 From: mark at ehle.homelinux.org (mark at ehle.homelinux.org) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:56:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC into server from outside In-Reply-To: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D794027317B8@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> References: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D794027317B8@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <1140702972.43fdbefc6b377@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> Thanks for the information - Silly me - I had to unblock those ports on the server firewall. Now that I can VNC into the server, how do I view what my students are doing?\ Thanks again! Mark Quoting Dan Dwelley : > VNC uses ports 6000, 590x, and 580x. Check your firewall to determine > these ranges are not blocked. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Bob McCaa > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:51 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] VNC into server from outside > > Do you have a firewall on your "outside" interface? Could it be > blocking VNC access? > > > On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 11:11 -0500, mark at ehle.homelinux.org wrote: > > Folks - > > > > I installed a fresh copy of K12LTSP-4.4.1 on my server, ran vncpasswd, > > > fired up vncserver, and I can't vnc into the server from the outside. > What am I missing? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Mark > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From gumprechtm at msad3.org Thu Feb 23 14:24:39 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:24:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying with LTSP In-Reply-To: <43FDC145.4030803@cox.net> References: <43FDB057.6080203@independence.k12.ia.us> <43FDC145.4030803@cox.net> Message-ID: <43FDC5A7.5040009@msad3.org> I'm in the process of setting up IPCop as well. Anyone have dhcrelay working for ipcop? I'm trying to put an in-line filter with cop+ and still pass external dhcp requests. Or if some one has a better idea of how to accomplish that, I'm open. I would NAT, but it is a 1024 subnet and the middle of the school year... Also looking to get dansguardian on K12ltspEL for the labs. Mark Luis Montes wrote: > Brad Johnson wrote: > >> Greetings everyone, >> >> I am in the final stages of completing our first large LTSP lab. In >> the past, I have been setting the proxy settings inside Firefox, but >> would prefer to do this transparently. Does anyone have any >> experience doing this with ipchains, or any GUI-based firewalls? >> What is your advice? I'd also prefer to redirect to an existing >> squid/dansguardian proxy that I already have, but I can live with >> setting up an additional proxy if I have to. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > What are you using for your existing proxy? I've used clarkconnect in > the past on a seperate box, but now I'm using ipcop. > Both can be setup as transparent filters, but ipcop(with the cop plus > addon) lets you schedule automatic blocklists for free. > I believe Eric has also done some dansgaurdian/squidgaurd work in k12 > as well. > > Luis > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Thu Feb 23 14:42:19 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:42:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying with LTSP In-Reply-To: <43FDC5A7.5040009@msad3.org> References: <43FDB057.6080203@independence.k12.ia.us> <43FDC145.4030803@cox.net> <43FDC5A7.5040009@msad3.org> Message-ID: <47AD5026-6CB0-42B4-B168-D2934A4EEFE7@independence.k12.ia.us> On Feb 23, 2006, at 8:24 AM, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I'm in the process of setting up IPCop as well. Anyone have > dhcrelay working for ipcop? I'm trying to put an in-line filter > with cop+ and still pass external dhcp requests. Or if some one has > a better idea of how to accomplish that, I'm open. I would NAT, but > it is a 1024 subnet and the middle of the school year... Also > looking to get dansguardian on K12ltspEL for the labs. > Mark > > Luis Montes wrote: > >> Brad Johnson wrote: >> >>> Greetings everyone, >>> >>> I am in the final stages of completing our first large LTSP lab. >>> In the past, I have been setting the proxy settings inside >>> Firefox, but would prefer to do this transparently. Does anyone >>> have any experience doing this with ipchains, or any GUI-based >>> firewalls? What is your advice? I'd also prefer to redirect to >>> an existing squid/dansguardian proxy that I already have, but I >>> can live with setting up an additional proxy if I have to. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brad >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> What are you using for your existing proxy? I've used clarkconnect >> in the past on a seperate box, but now I'm using ipcop. >> Both can be setup as transparent filters, but ipcop(with the cop >> plus addon) lets you schedule automatic blocklists for free. >> I believe Eric has also done some dansgaurdian/squidgaurd work in >> k12 as well. >> >> Luis >> Ok guys, after a little googling, here is what I came up with. Now, before I do this, please know that I am not currently running ANY type of firewall on this LTSP box. If I create the following entry, do I need to then create additional entries to allow other types of traffic? I don't want my LTSP box to stop working because of the following rules: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i $INTERFACE -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to dansguardian/squid box:8080 Someone please tell me it's this easy! Brad > From petre at maltzen.net Thu Feb 23 15:04:32 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:04:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC into server from outside In-Reply-To: <1140702972.43fdbefc6b377@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> References: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D794027317B8@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> <1140702972.43fdbefc6b377@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <43FDCF00.7010500@maltzen.net> Assuming you are using VNC to allow you to connect to gdm--that is, when you connect via VNC, you get the same login screen as the clients--login as root and run Fl_teachertool to see what the kids are doing. Or run 'ps -ef' or 'ps -aux' in a terminal window to see all processes for all students, for a lower-level view. BTW, if you're using VNC to connect to your server from the outside world, have a look at Freenx. You can install the server part with just 'yum install freenx'. Be sure to get the client piece from the www.nomachine.com website, as the one that comes in the freenx package appears to be broken. Follow the directions, esp. the bit about importing the server's key, at http://fedoranews.org/contributors/rick_stout/freenx/. Why do all this? Because the performance of NX is substantially better than VNC. VNC is better than driving into the office to fix a problem, but you wouldn't want to use it very long. NX on the other hand is nearly real time and works pretty well even over dial-up. It all works over SSH/port 22. It's worth the effort. Petre mark at ehle.homelinux.org wrote: > Thanks for the information - Silly me - I had to unblock those ports on the > server firewall. > > Now that I can VNC into the server, how do I view what my students are doing?\ > > Thanks again! > > Mark > > Quoting Dan Dwelley : > >> VNC uses ports 6000, 590x, and 580x. Check your firewall to determine >> these ranges are not blocked. >> >> Dan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >> Behalf Of Bob McCaa >> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:51 PM >> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] VNC into server from outside >> >> Do you have a firewall on your "outside" interface? Could it be >> blocking VNC access? >> >> >> On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 11:11 -0500, mark at ehle.homelinux.org wrote: >>> Folks - >>> >>> I installed a fresh copy of K12LTSP-4.4.1 on my server, ran vncpasswd, >>> fired up vncserver, and I can't vnc into the server from the outside. >> What am I missing? >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Thu Feb 23 15:27:48 2006 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:27:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop resolution issue In-Reply-To: <774593a20602221824wbc49678k5b9defaaf8cd929e@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060222170030.63212738FF@hormel.redhat.com> <8c014789149c5af261cb364cb9f03ff3@fragakis.com> <69b790a80602221223i552bd827jb9ebcfa965341c0f@mail.gmail.com> <1140646121.17195.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <774593a20602221824wbc49678k5b9defaaf8cd929e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1140708468.29522.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Also, you may also need to experiment with adjusting the: X_HORZSYNC parameter in lts.conf to get an appropriate horizontal sync for your laptop's screen. Sometimes the default horizontal sync range is too low to achieve the appropriate resolution at the given vertical refresh rate on certain monitors. Something like: X_HORZSYNC = "30-70" is a good start. Checking the User's manual for the laptop is even better - sometimes the wrong sync frequency can cause damage to the monitor. -Gadi On Thu, 2006-02-23 at 07:54 +0530, Sudev Barar wrote: > On 2/23/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > Probably a typo. I've never heard of a 1064x768 resolution or anyone > > using it. If you force 1064x768, which you can in lts.conf, it would > > yield a poor screen resolution (if your monitor/video card and even > > show/push that). > [SNIP] > > I do not that particular hardware but make sure for running 1024x768 > that the vid memory is at least 2MB (2048kb) Some tme you have to > allocate this in BIOS or plug it in vid cards. > > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Thu Feb 23 16:19:02 2006 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:19:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sound advice K12LTSP with Windows Terminal Server 2003 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1140711542.16939.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> David- I figured I would chime in with a few pointers on sound. Also, since you contacted me, I conducted a quick experiment to make sure I have my facts straight. Here goes. First of all, let me preface this with the fact that all of my experience is with esd - not nasd (as you use), so not all of the assertions below may apply in a nasd environment: 1. With esd, if you have several different screens set up on your terminal of ANY FLAVOR (ie, 1 W2k3 + 1 Linux, 2 Linux, 2 W2k3, etc), you will only ever get sound on one screen in the current configuration. I am still unclear as to whether this is a limitation of esd itself (not being able to blend streams from two separate esd clients at the same time) or whether there is just some esd magic to allow it. I have tried adding the "-promiscuous" flag to /etc/rc.sound, but to no avail. Basically, if you have two screens set up to run esd clients, the first one that you log into will win control of the sound daemon. 2. GOOD NEWS! I ran "esddsp rdesktop -r sound:local " from my Linux application server, and got the calming (?) welcome audio from Windows. Even an mp3 played nicely. This is a far cry from my previous experiences with ultra-slow audio, so either things have improved, or the network was cooperating when I ran my test. So, thats an option. 3. If you are interested in hacking the rdesktop.wrapper script in the LTSP tree to run "esddsp rdesktop" instead of "rdesktop" be forewarned: It appears the esd package was not compiled 100% correctly in the LBE, and it looks for libs in /usr/local/lib, rather than /usr/lib. A clever symlink of $LTSPROOT/usr/local to ../ clears that up. But, assertion #1 still remains. Perhaps a TODO for us developers is to clean up the ltsp-esd package and change the rdesktop wrapper to use esd if esd is the chosen sound daemon. Conclusion: In an esd world, to have one's cake and eat it too, running windows from the linux server with "esddsp rdesktop" may be the best shot at it. In a nasd world, I'm not the one to ask ;) All the best, -Gadi On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 20:33 -0500, David Trask wrote: > Oh....one more thing...I'm using IceWM too.....(this sometimes makes a > difference) > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Friday, February 17, 2006 at 8:31 PM +0000 wrote: > >I need some ideas. > > > >I have a K12LTSP network with a mix of terminals, but my lab and the > >library are all LTSP Term 150's from disklessworkstations.com. My > >issue....getting sound to work well on the K12LTSP terminals from within > >the Windows Terminal Server session. > > > >Background: I have nasd enabled in lts.conf and in Linux....everything > >works....Flash, MPlayer....games....everything. If I type rdesktop -f > >-a 16 -d vcsnet -r sound 10..0.7.253 and log in....I get > >sound....albeit very choppy and with considerable delay. > > > >Today I was off-site with my Ubuntu laptop and I figured "what the > >heck"....I tried to get sound working in an rdesktop session by typing the > >command above with an external IP to access my server and lo' and behold > >the sound worked great! Now granted....we're talking local install vs. > >terminal.....and we're also dealing with esd and possibly gstreamer...etc. > >vs. nasd. > > > >Does anyone out there have sound from Windows Terminal services working > >alright through their terminals....and if so....how'd you do it? > >Also....any advice on what I can try....I'm open to trying new sound ideas > >so long as it'll work with Flash. > > > >David N. Trask > >Technology Teacher/Director > >Vassalboro Community School > >dtrask at vcsvikings.org > >(207)923-3100 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Thu Feb 23 16:28:58 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:28:58 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying with LTSP In-Reply-To: <47AD5026-6CB0-42B4-B168-D2934A4EEFE7@independence.k12.ia.us> References: <43FDB057.6080203@independence.k12.ia.us> <43FDC145.4030803@cox.net> <43FDC5A7.5040009@msad3.org> <47AD5026-6CB0-42B4-B168-D2934A4EEFE7@independence.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <43FDE2CA.80607@rogueriver.k12.or.us> > > Ok guys, after a little googling, here is what I came up with. Now, > before I do this, please know that I am not currently running ANY type > of firewall on this LTSP box. If I create the following entry, do I > need to then create additional entries to allow other types of traffic? > I don't want my LTSP box to stop working because of the following rules: > > iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i $INTERFACE -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT > --to dansguardian/squid box:8080 > > Someone please tell me it's this easy! Actually, it's easier. I've been running ipcop for a while here, and really you can just let 'er rip - don't bother with that ruleset. Install the advproxy and urlfilter mods for ipcop ( http://www.advproxy.net/ ), turn on "transparent mode" for the proxy, and you're golden. If you set the ports the way you have indicated, you will break pages that specifically run on port 8080... Cheers, Mike From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Thu Feb 23 17:12:26 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:12:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying with LTSP In-Reply-To: <43FDE2CA.80607@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <43FDB057.6080203@independence.k12.ia.us> <43FDC145.4030803@cox.net> <43FDC5A7.5040009@msad3.org> <47AD5026-6CB0-42B4-B168-D2934A4EEFE7@independence.k12.ia.us> <43FDE2CA.80607@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On Feb 23, 2006, at 10:28 AM, Mike Ely wrote: >> Ok guys, after a little googling, here is what I came up with. >> Now, before I do this, please know that I am not currently running >> ANY type of firewall on this LTSP box. If I create the following >> entry, do I need to then create additional entries to allow other >> types of traffic? I don't want my LTSP box to stop working >> because of the following rules: >> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i $INTERFACE -p tcp --dport 80 -j >> DNAT --to dansguardian/squid box:8080 >> Someone please tell me it's this easy! > > Actually, it's easier. I've been running ipcop for a while here, > and really you can just let 'er rip - don't bother with that > ruleset. Install the advproxy and urlfilter mods for ipcop ( http:// > www.advproxy.net/ ), turn on "transparent mode" for the proxy, and > you're golden. If you set the ports the way you have indicated, > you will break pages that specifically run on port 8080... > > Cheers, > Mike > Ok, so here's what I've got...... LTSP network connects to LSTP server--connects to remainder of LAN-- connects to Internet. Where do I put the IPCop Box....do I put it directly between LTSP and the remainder of the LAN? Thanks, Brad From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Thu Feb 23 17:18:44 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:18:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying with LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <43FDB057.6080203@independence.k12.ia.us> <43FDC145.4030803@cox.net> <43FDC5A7.5040009@msad3.org> <47AD5026-6CB0-42B4-B168-D2934A4EEFE7@independence.k12.ia.us> <43FDE2CA.80607@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43FDEE74.9020309@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Brad Johnson wrote: > > On Feb 23, 2006, at 10:28 AM, Mike Ely wrote: > >>> Ok guys, after a little googling, here is what I came up with. Now, >>> before I do this, please know that I am not currently running ANY >>> type of firewall on this LTSP box. If I create the following entry, >>> do I need to then create additional entries to allow other types of >>> traffic? I don't want my LTSP box to stop working because of the >>> following rules: >>> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i $INTERFACE -p tcp --dport 80 -j >>> DNAT --to dansguardian/squid box:8080 >>> Someone please tell me it's this easy! >> >> Actually, it's easier. I've been running ipcop for a while here, and >> really you can just let 'er rip - don't bother with that ruleset. >> Install the advproxy and urlfilter mods for ipcop ( http:// >> www.advproxy.net/ ), turn on "transparent mode" for the proxy, and >> you're golden. If you set the ports the way you have indicated, you >> will break pages that specifically run on port 8080... >> >> Cheers, >> Mike >> > Ok, so here's what I've got...... > > LTSP network connects to LSTP server--connects to remainder of LAN-- > connects to Internet. Where do I put the IPCop Box....do I put it > directly between LTSP and the remainder of the LAN? > Ours sits between our LAN and the internet. If the clients on your LAN are transparently proxied, then your LTSP clients will also. This applies to your current configuration as well. Mike From carl at snarlnet.com Thu Feb 23 18:47:56 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:47:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT-BackupPC Errors - fixed Message-ID: <43FE035C.5050005@snarlnet.com> Hi Everybody, No one responded to my query about pipe errors that I was experiencing with BackupPC, so I pulled a desparate admin maneuver. I tried a reboot. Sometimes I think the [usual] stability of linux is making me forget the fundamentals that I learned from my windows admin days. I thought you all should be reminded, when in doubt reboot. (That was is my Windows troubleshooting mantra. I guess it can apply to Linux too.) ck From thepiano at telenet.be Thu Feb 23 19:16:02 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:16:02 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] sound advice K12LTSP with Windows Terminal Server 2003 In-Reply-To: <1140711542.16939.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1140711542.16939.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: You just made my day! I was having big problems in getting sound to work locally when using rdesktop, and it seems that your esddsp idea will make my live a lot easier. Keep up your good work, and I'll test the puppy out tomorrow ! Just needed this ! Kevin On 23-feb-06, at 17:19, Gideon Romm wrote: > David- > > I figured I would chime in with a few pointers on sound. Also, since > you contacted me, I conducted a quick experiment to make sure I > have my > facts straight. > > Here goes. First of all, let me preface this with the fact that > all of > my experience is with esd - not nasd (as you use), so not all of the > assertions below may apply in a nasd environment: > > 1. With esd, if you have several different screens set up on your > terminal of ANY FLAVOR (ie, 1 W2k3 + 1 Linux, 2 Linux, 2 W2k3, > etc), you > will only ever get sound on one screen in the current > configuration. I > am still unclear as to whether this is a limitation of esd itself (not > being able to blend streams from two separate esd clients at the same > time) or whether there is just some esd magic to allow it. I have > tried > adding the "-promiscuous" flag to /etc/rc.sound, but to no avail. > Basically, if you have two screens set up to run esd clients, the > first > one that you log into will win control of the sound daemon. > > 2. GOOD NEWS! I ran "esddsp rdesktop -r sound:local " from my > Linux > application server, and got the calming (?) welcome audio from > Windows. > Even an mp3 played nicely. This is a far cry from my previous > experiences with ultra-slow audio, so either things have improved, or > the network was cooperating when I ran my test. So, thats an option. > > 3. If you are interested in hacking the rdesktop.wrapper script in the > LTSP tree to run "esddsp rdesktop" instead of "rdesktop" be > forewarned: > It appears the esd package was not compiled 100% correctly in the LBE, > and it looks for libs in /usr/local/lib, rather than /usr/lib. A > clever > symlink of $LTSPROOT/usr/local to ../ clears that up. But, > assertion #1 > still remains. Perhaps a TODO for us developers is to clean up the > ltsp-esd package and change the rdesktop wrapper to use esd if esd is > the chosen sound daemon. > > Conclusion: > > In an esd world, to have one's cake and eat it too, running windows > from > the linux server with "esddsp rdesktop" may be the best shot at it. > > In a nasd world, I'm not the one to ask ;) > > All the best, > > -Gadi > > > On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 20:33 -0500, David Trask wrote: >> Oh....one more thing...I'm using IceWM too.....(this sometimes >> makes a >> difference) >> >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> on >> Friday, February 17, 2006 at 8:31 PM +0000 wrote: >>> I need some ideas. >>> >>> I have a K12LTSP network with a mix of terminals, but my lab and the >>> library are all LTSP Term 150's from disklessworkstations.com. My >>> issue....getting sound to work well on the K12LTSP terminals from >>> within >>> the Windows Terminal Server session. >>> >>> Background: I have nasd enabled in lts.conf and in >>> Linux....everything >>> works....Flash, MPlayer....games....everything. If I type >>> rdesktop -f >>> -a 16 -d vcsnet -r sound 10..0.7.253 and log in....I get >>> sound....albeit very choppy and with considerable delay. >>> >>> Today I was off-site with my Ubuntu laptop and I figured "what the >>> heck"....I tried to get sound working in an rdesktop session by >>> typing the >>> command above with an external IP to access my server and lo' and >>> behold >>> the sound worked great! Now granted....we're talking local >>> install vs. >>> terminal.....and we're also dealing with esd and possibly >>> gstreamer...etc. >>> vs. nasd. >>> >>> Does anyone out there have sound from Windows Terminal services >>> working >>> alright through their terminals....and if so....how'd you do it? >>> Also....any advice on what I can try....I'm open to trying new >>> sound ideas >>> so long as it'll work with Flash. >>> >>> David N. Trask >>> Technology Teacher/Director >>> Vassalboro Community School >>> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >>> (207)923-3100 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Director >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >> (207)923-3100 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Thu Feb 23 22:22:20 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:22:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Packaging vnc X11 module, Was: Geting things installed In-Reply-To: References: <6c80216c7241.6c72416c8021@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: If someone does this I will include your name in the Fl_TT credits and I will be able to release version 0.30 Robert On 2/10/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 2/10/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > 1) Figure out how to build the vnc X11 extension module within the LBE. > > > > The source code and build instructions are included in the vnc src.rpm. > > (the vnc-server package sticks this in > > /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so, the LTSP version would be > > /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so...) > > > > 2) There might be a missing library as well, if that is the case it will > > need to be built in the LBE as well. > > Yes. In addition to > > /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so > > we also need > > /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 > > and > > /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 > > This last one is a little tricky because it already exists in the LBE. > However, the stock libgcc_s.so.1 does not seem to work (at least with > the vnc.so copied from /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions) > Also something to ponder, the stock LBE soft links outside itself: > > $ ls -l /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/libgcc_s.so > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Jul 27 2005 /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/libgcc_s.so > -> /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 > > Here is the link to the original LTSP wiki doc > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#VNC_SO > From william at fragakis.com Thu Feb 23 23:16:15 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:16:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] desktop resolution issue In-Reply-To: <20060223170041.6EF3873846@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060223170041.6EF3873846@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: > The 1064 was a brain f@!t. As I mentioned later, I did a copy and paste from the relevant sample lines in lts.conf and wrote the email late at night from memory. The clients are P4/Celeron class laptops which have no troubles running 10_28_ x 768 at 32 bit. And that was the odd thing for me, by switching to a different rez and then back, I get true 1028 x 768. thanks, William > > On 2/23/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: >> Probably a typo. I've never heard of a 1064x768 resolution or anyone >> using it. If you force 1064x768, which you can in lts.conf, it would >> yield a poor screen resolution (if your monitor/video card and even >> show/push that). > [SNIP] > > I do not that particular hardware but make sure for running 1024x768 > that the vid memory is at least 2MB (2048kb) Some tme you have to > allocate this in BIOS or plug it in vid cards. > > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Fri Feb 24 01:52:56 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:52:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] slow opengl Message-ID: I've installed k12ltsp in my home after running it at our school for weveral years now. I've just found out that one of our favorite little games and flightgear won't run ... Tuxkart and flightgear run on the server ok, but fail on a client. Tuxkart opens but operates really really slowly and flightgear just freezes my client up- K124.4.1 64bit. Ideas?? Thanks, Jim From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Fri Feb 24 02:47:07 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:47:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying with LTSP--SOLVED In-Reply-To: <43FDEE74.9020309@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <43FDB057.6080203@independence.k12.ia.us> <43FDC145.4030803@cox.net> <43FDC5A7.5040009@msad3.org> <47AD5026-6CB0-42B4-B168-D2934A4EEFE7@independence.k12.ia.us> <43FDE2CA.80607@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <43FDEE74.9020309@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <397CD2A1-4793-4D1A-8ADF-D4E553FECD9B@independence.k12.ia.us> On Feb 23, 2006, at 11:18 AM, Mike Ely wrote: > Brad Johnson wrote: >> On Feb 23, 2006, at 10:28 AM, Mike Ely wrote: >>>> Ok guys, after a little googling, here is what I came up with. >>>> Now, before I do this, please know that I am not currently >>>> running ANY type of firewall on this LTSP box. If I create the >>>> following entry, do I need to then create additional entries to >>>> allow other types of traffic? I don't want my LTSP box to stop >>>> working because of the following rules: >>>> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i $INTERFACE -p tcp --dport 80 - >>>> j DNAT --to dansguardian/squid box:8080 >>>> Someone please tell me it's this easy! >>> >>> Actually, it's easier. I've been running ipcop for a while >>> here, and really you can just let 'er rip - don't bother with >>> that ruleset. Install the advproxy and urlfilter mods for ipcop >>> ( http:// www.advproxy.net/ ), turn on "transparent mode" for the >>> proxy, and you're golden. If you set the ports the way you have >>> indicated, you will break pages that specifically run on port >>> 8080... >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Mike >>> >> Ok, so here's what I've got...... >> LTSP network connects to LSTP server--connects to remainder of >> LAN-- connects to Internet. Where do I put the IPCop Box....do I >> put it directly between LTSP and the remainder of the LAN? > > Ours sits between our LAN and the internet. If the clients on your > LAN are transparently proxied, then your LTSP clients will also. > This applies to your current configuration as well. > > Mike > > > Thanks for the help today guys. I must admit, I am iptables- > challenged. Since I currently already had a squid/danguardian box > on the network, my prefernce was to continue using it. I then > found an old post on the list from 2003, courtesy of Eric Harrison, > that led me directly to this wiki link: http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/WebFiltering%3AIntegration which provided me with the two following rules: iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.1:3128 iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to- destination 192.168.1.1:3128 > magically, the tranparent proxying began working for my LTSP lab! Thanks to everyone! Brad From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Fri Feb 24 03:11:50 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:11:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Connecting to OSX Tiger Volumes In-Reply-To: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF012DC1FB@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> References: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF012DC1FB@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Message-ID: On Jan 27, 2006, at 12:11 PM, Selzler, Bruce wrote: > > > Hello Team, > > I have some LTSP servers and workstations set up around our > campus. One > major shortcoming of the LTSP setups here at our school is that the > students cannot use LTSP workstations to access their folders on our > OSX.4 server. > > The server is setup as a stand alone server and serves volumes to > windows clients as well as Macs, and I also use NFS shares on these > servers to install LTSP on other systems. However I can't seem to see > or mount any volumes on the OSX servers from an LTSP workstation. > > What I would really like to do is have OSX server LDAP and have the > LTSP > workstations use that information to log each student on so they can > mount their OSX folders and work on the files they have stored > there on > their own desktop. But I've had zero luck with that as well. > > At this point I'd be happy if the students could log on to a generic > account on LTSP and open up their folders from the desktop like > they do > with Windoze and Macs. But I can't seem to figure out how to make > this > happen. > > I've read the HowTo's and I've played with this stuff until I'm > blue in > the face but no luck so far. I have the sense that I'm missing > something really basic that should be obvious, but I can't see it. > > Is there anyone out there doing what I would like to do here that > could > explain the process to me like I'm an eight year old? I'd really > appreciate it. Thanks. > > - Sez > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Bruce, Have you had any further luck with this? Feel free to email me off list if you want, and I'll give you my phone number to talk you through this. Brad From herald_desa at yahoo.com Fri Feb 24 07:20:56 2006 From: herald_desa at yahoo.com (Herald D'Sa) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:20:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Core Installation slides and explanation in mp3 format of the same Message-ID: <20060224072056.97748.qmail@web51503.mail.yahoo.com> This may be helpful for newbies to install in multiboot mode. http://strokefx.com/FLOSSHYD/INSTALLATION/index.php The files are Installation10.ppt 6MB Linstall10.mpg - 15MB - 30 minutes duration Herald. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? 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Where do I put the IPCop Box....do I > >> put it directly between LTSP and the remainder of the LAN? > > > > Ours sits between our LAN and the internet. If the clients on your > > LAN are transparently proxied, then your LTSP clients will also. > > This applies to your current configuration as well. > > > Thanks for the help today guys. I must admit, I am iptables- > > challenged. Since I currently already had a squid/danguardian box > > on the network, my prefernce was to continue using it. I then > > found an old post on the list from 2003, courtesy of Eric Harrison, > > that led me directly to this wiki link: > http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/WebFiltering%3AIntegration > > which provided me with the two following rules: > > iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination > 192.168.1.1:3128 > iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to- > destination 192.168.1.1:3128 > IPTables challanged as well. What would work if k12box is iteself connecting to big bad internet? I want that all internet traffic from clients on this box (effectively traffic from the box itself) is routed always through squid/proxy running on the same box itself. With above syntax all tcp packets will be diverted to proxy:port given, which would inclde packets from squid/proxy itself. Is this correct hypothesis or I am wrong in assuming that packets after coming out of squid/proxy would not be to port 80??? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Feb 24 13:20:29 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:20:29 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Cinelerre and dependency heqq Message-ID: I want to install Cinelerra for video editing and get: [root at dsjscrd download]# rpm -ivh cinelerra-2.0-1.i386.rpm error: Failed dependencies: libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.4) is needed by cinelerra-2.0-1.i386 How can I fix this? I install probably 100M of crap trying to get it done and it still fails. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Feb 24 13:46:36 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:46:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying with LTSP--SOLVED In-Reply-To: <774593a20602232321t68c8f027pbd857e7555a96007@mail.gmail.com> References: <43FDB057.6080203@independence.k12.ia.us> <43FDC145.4030803@cox.net> <43FDC5A7.5040009@msad3.org> <47AD5026-6CB0-42B4-B168-D2934A4EEFE7@independence.k12.ia.us> <43FDE2CA.80607@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <43FDEE74.9020309@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <397CD2A1-4793-4D1A-8ADF-D4E553FECD9B@independence.k12.ia.us> <774593a20602232321t68c8f027pbd857e7555a96007@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <76B37BDE-B959-48FA-AEB7-D2D4F0637979@mindfirestudios.com> These lines even take care of access directly from the LTSP server, it's a slightly simpler setup with a separate machine, but this works. On Feb 24, 2006, at 1:21 AM, Sudev Barar wrote: > On 2/24/06, Brad Johnson wrote: >>>> Ok, so here's what I've got...... >>>> LTSP network connects to LSTP server--connects to remainder of >>>> LAN-- connects to Internet. Where do I put the IPCop Box....do I >>>> put it directly between LTSP and the remainder of the LAN? >>> >>> Ours sits between our LAN and the internet. If the clients on your >>> LAN are transparently proxied, then your LTSP clients will also. >>> This applies to your current configuration as well. >> >>> Thanks for the help today guys. I must admit, I am iptables- >>> challenged. Since I currently already had a squid/danguardian box >>> on the network, my prefernce was to continue using it. I then >>> found an old post on the list from 2003, courtesy of Eric Harrison, >>> that led me directly to this wiki link: >> http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/WebFiltering%3AIntegration >> >> which provided me with the two following rules: >> >> iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination >> 192.168.1.1:3128 >> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to- >> destination 192.168.1.1:3128 >> > > IPTables challanged as well. What would work if k12box is iteself > connecting to big bad internet? I want that all internet traffic from > clients on this box (effectively traffic from the box itself) is > routed always through squid/proxy running on the same box itself. > With above syntax all tcp packets will be diverted to proxy:port > given, which would inclde packets from squid/proxy itself. Is this > correct hypothesis or I am wrong in assuming that packets after coming > out of squid/proxy would not be to port 80??? > > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Feb 24 16:28:35 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:28:35 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Cinelerre and dependency heqq In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43FF3433.4090909@mesd.k12.or.us> Doug Simpson wrote: > [root at dsjscrd download]# rpm -ivh cinelerra-2.0-1.i386.rpm > error: Failed dependencies: > libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.4) is needed by cinelerra-2.0-1.i386 > > How can I fix this? yum install libstdc++ You might try this in the future: yum provides fileiwant -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Feb 24 17:18:32 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:18:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Cinelerre and dependency heqq In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43FF3FE8.1060902@paasda.org> Cinelerra is what originally got me interested in K12LTSP... the Multimedia lab is still 100% Macintosh 2yrs later..Cinelerra at the time was NOT conducive to an LTSP network...I doubt much has changed in that regards. Just an FYI. Doug Simpson wrote: > I want to install Cinelerra for video editing and get: > > > [root at dsjscrd download]# rpm -ivh cinelerra-2.0-1.i386.rpm > error: Failed dependencies: > libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.4) is needed by cinelerra-2.0-1.i386 > > How can I fix this? > > I install probably 100M of crap trying to get it done and it still fails. > > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From veewee77 at alltel.net Fri Feb 24 18:15:14 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:15:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Cinelerre and dependency heqq In-Reply-To: <43FF3FE8.1060902@paasda.org> References: <43FF3FE8.1060902@paasda.org> Message-ID: <43FF4D32.4000602@alltel.net> Huck wrote: > Cinelerra is what originally got me interested in K12LTSP... > the Multimedia lab is still 100% Macintosh 2yrs later..Cinelerra at > the time was NOT conducive to an LTSP network...I doubt much has > changed in that regards. Just an FYI. I won't be running it on more than one computer, and that one is the server. Doug > > Doug Simpson wrote: > >> I want to install Cinelerra for video editing and get: >> >> >> [root at dsjscrd download]# rpm -ivh cinelerra-2.0-1.i386.rpm >> error: Failed dependencies: >> libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.4) is needed by cinelerra-2.0-1.i386 >> >> How can I fix this? >> >> I install probably 100M of crap trying to get it done and it still >> fails. >> >> >> Doug Simpson >> Technology Specialist >> DeQueen Public Schools >> DeQueen, AR 71832 >> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >> Tux for President! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From veewee77 at alltel.net Fri Feb 24 18:13:01 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:13:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Cinelerre and dependency heqq In-Reply-To: <43FF3433.4090909@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43FF3433.4090909@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43FF4CAD.7050109@alltel.net> Dan Young wrote: >Doug Simpson wrote: > > >>[root at dsjscrd download]# rpm -ivh cinelerra-2.0-1.i386.rpm >>error: Failed dependencies: >> libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.4) is needed by cinelerra-2.0-1.i386 >> >>How can I fix this? >> >> > >yum install libstdc++ > >You might try this in the future: > >yum provides fileiwant > > > Tried yum install libstdc++ and it installed still more crap and Cinelerra still won't install due to the dependency problem. I am running: yum provides libstdc++.so.6 To see what it returns. . . Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From veewee77 at alltel.net Fri Feb 24 18:03:23 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:03:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Cinelerre and dependency heqq In-Reply-To: <43FF3433.4090909@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43FF3433.4090909@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43FF4A6B.4050006@alltel.net> Dan Young wrote: >Doug Simpson wrote: > > >>[root at dsjscrd download]# rpm -ivh cinelerra-2.0-1.i386.rpm >>error: Failed dependencies: >> libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.4) is needed by cinelerra-2.0-1.i386 >> >>How can I fix this? >> >> > >yum install libstdc++ > >You might try this in the future: > >yum provides fileiwant > > > Apt-get install libstdc++ installed that (and a trainload of other stuff) but it isn't the right version. . . I will try the yum one, though just for the heqq of it. Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Feb 24 18:49:33 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:49:33 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Cinelerre and dependency heqq In-Reply-To: <43FF4A6B.4050006@alltel.net> References: <43FF3433.4090909@mesd.k12.or.us> <43FF4A6B.4050006@alltel.net> Message-ID: <43FF553D.1070801@mesd.k12.or.us> Doug Simpson wrote: > Apt-get install libstdc++ installed that (and a trainload of other > stuff) but it isn't the right version. . . What version of K12LTSP are you using? Try this too: rpm -q --provides libstdc++ On 4.4.1 that returns: libstdc++.so.6 libstdc++.so.6(CXXABI_1.3) libstdc++.so.6(CXXABI_1.3.1) libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4) libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.1) libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.2) libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.3) libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.4) <--- that was what your RPM required libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.5) libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.6) libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.7) libstdc++34 libstdc++ = 4.0.2-8.fc4 -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From les at futuresource.com Fri Feb 24 18:52:12 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:52:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Cinelerre and dependency heqq In-Reply-To: <43FF4CAD.7050109@alltel.net> References: <43FF3433.4090909@mesd.k12.or.us> <43FF4CAD.7050109@alltel.net> Message-ID: <1140807132.5385.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2006-02-24 at 12:13, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > [root at dsjscrd download]# rpm -ivh cinelerra-2.0-1.i386.rpm > > > error: Failed dependencies: > > > libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.4) is needed by cinelerra-2.0-1.i386 > > > > Tried yum install libstdc++ and it installed still more crap and > Cinelerra still won't install due to the dependency problem. Where did you find the cinelerra rpm? If it comes from a yum-enabled repository you can normally add the config and let yum get all the dependencies for you. However, if any of the stock libraries must be replaced it may cause problems with future updates. Another approach is to get the source rpm and try to rebuild on your system. This works only if the app in question doesn't really need the features of the newer libraries. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bramkamp at team-datentechnik.de Sat Feb 25 20:09:01 2006 From: bramkamp at team-datentechnik.de (Daniel Bramkamp) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:09:01 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP - NFS/CIFS Message-ID: <20060225210901.w8bxk7by0w0sgo00@teamdat.dyndns.org> Hi, I am currently running a LTSP setup for 60 users. The /home directory and data is provided to the terminalserver via NFS. However, NFS is giving me headaches. Sometimes access to all files and directories on the NFS server is being denied. I cannot figure out why this happens. The problem arises very infrequently. I reinstalled the whole file- and terminalserver. The software on the servers is up to date now. The problem happened with the old installation, which was 2 years old, and it still exists in the new installation. The problem goes away after a few minutes and everything works smoothly again. The fileserver is also running Samba. User accounts are stored centrally in a LDAP database. UIDs/GIDs match on both servers. Users are in no more than 13 groups max. 1. Has anyone experienced similar issues with NFS? 2. Is it possible to use Samba/CIFS instead of NFS in a setup like this ? Can anyone comment on possiblity, stability, etc. ? One of the nice things about using NFS is that I only need to mount the share once at system startup. Can something like that be archived when using CIFS and ACLs maybe ? Help would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Daniel Bramkamp From cliebow at midmaine.com Sat Feb 25 23:38:43 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:38:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP - NFS/CIFS In-Reply-To: <20060225210901.w8bxk7by0w0sgo00@teamdat.dyndns.org> References: <20060225210901.w8bxk7by0w0sgo00@teamdat.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <59077.70.33.151.214.1140910723.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> nfs is shiney about hostnmame to ip resolution...everything seem ok there?? > Hi, > > I am currently running a LTSP setup for 60 users. The /home directory > and data is provided to the terminalserver via NFS. However, NFS is > giving me headaches. Sometimes access to all files and directories on > the NFS server is being denied. I cannot figure out why this happens. > The problem arises very infrequently. I reinstalled the whole file- and > terminalserver. The software on the servers is up to date now. The > problem happened with the old installation, which was 2 years old, and > it still exists in the new installation. The problem goes away after a > few minutes and everything works smoothly again. The fileserver is also > running Samba. User accounts are stored centrally in a LDAP database. > UIDs/GIDs match on both servers. Users are in no more than 13 groups > max. > > 1. Has anyone experienced similar issues with NFS? > > 2. Is it possible to use Samba/CIFS instead of NFS in a setup like this > ? Can anyone comment on possiblity, stability, etc. ? One of the nice > things about using NFS is that I only need to mount the share once at > system startup. Can something like that be archived when using CIFS and > ACLs maybe ? Help would be very much appreciated. > Thanks in advance. > -- > Daniel Bramkamp > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bramkamp at team-datentechnik.de Sat Feb 25 23:55:39 2006 From: bramkamp at team-datentechnik.de (Daniel Bramkamp) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:55:39 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP - NFS/CIFS In-Reply-To: <59077.70.33.151.214.1140910723.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <20060225210901.w8bxk7by0w0sgo00@teamdat.dyndns.org> <59077.70.33.151.214.1140910723.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <20060226005539.pitw8jj24gssw0wo@teamdat.dyndns.org> Quoting cliebow at midmaine.com: > nfs is shiney about hostnmame to ip resolution...everything seem ok there?? Yes. DNS is set up properly (forward and reverse zones). -- Daniel Bramkamp From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sun Feb 26 05:40:47 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:40:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian gotten slow Message-ID: <60758.70.96.69.243.1140932447.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Hello List, After having DansGuardian installed on one of our K12LTSP servers as our content filter, for two years,it seems that DG has started getting tired. DG has worked like a champ with absolutle no babysitting after intially installed,with updating done to blacklist,without a hitch. I havent made any changes on this server in regards to this,that would have changed any settings to DG or Squid. As of the last couple weeks, web pages come up very slowly on all workstations including new dell fat clients with lots of CPU soup. When i look at top on that server there are ,a range of 5-15 dansguardian processes, running, I dont remember ever seeing that many running , but i didnt really watch it that much,,of course,until you start having probs. Once i shut down DG then restart it webpages comes up just as fast as a "direct net connection" set in the web browser, after about 30 mins of use,,it has slown way down, to were images/ place holders in pages load very slowly. If i set "connect directly to internet" in web browser- no proxy setting, then pages pop right in. When i check mem usage CPU usage it still has some of each in reserve so the server isnt completly choked down. The cache sizes on files, looks similar to what they have always been in the past. I guess im not even sure were to start to troubleshoot this? I havent examined enough to be 100% sure DG is actually the problem. Just wondering if anyone else has possibly had the same thing happen? Sorry for the long post.:) K12LTSP v 4.2.0 DG v 2.8.0 Squid v 2.5 Thanks, Barry Cisna From kmgrant at actaccess.net Sun Feb 26 18:45:23 2006 From: kmgrant at actaccess.net (Ken Grant) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:45:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing Message-ID: <20060226114523.6b39b8bb@localhost> Hello All: This may or may not be the best place to address this issue, but I figure there are enough tech/educational experts here that someone is bound to have encountered it. My problem: Our state, Wyoming, is converting all standardized testing for compliance with the "No Child Left Behind" law to computers. Starting in about six weeks, children in grades 3-8, and grade 11, will be taking our state test online. The test is designed by the state but admisistered through Harcourt Assessment. To ensure that students do not have access to other parts of the computer they are working on, all testing must be done with a "secure browser." To get the browser to be secure a program called SiteKiosk is used. And you guessed it, it only runs on Windows and sometimes Macs. At this point the state is still dealing with many tech issues, including getting SiteKiosk to run on Macs. I've been assured by people at the state level and at Harcourt Assessment that no testing has been done with Linux. Since K12LTSP is being used by school districts across the nation, this seems to me to be a terrible oversight. I realize that the bigger school districts have the funding for Windows systems; however, we are a small Catholic school with very little resources to invest in IT. K12LTSP is the only way we can get computers in the classroom. All that said, have any of you been faced with a similar issue? If so, how have you dealt with it? How many schools with K12LTSP are using it as their only platform? I plan to make as much noise as possible with both the state and with Harcourt so that this situation can be corrected, but in the meantime any ideas on how to get SiteKiosk to run on Linux would be great. Does anyone know if a Linux-based program exsists to make a browser secure? Thanks for reading my rant and for K12LTSP...it's an awesome OS! Cheers, Ken From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Sun Feb 26 19:36:03 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:36:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing In-Reply-To: <20060226114523.6b39b8bb@localhost> References: <20060226114523.6b39b8bb@localhost> Message-ID: <44020323.7020205@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Ken Grant wrote: > Hello All: > > This may or may not be the best place to address this issue, but I > figure there are enough tech/educational experts here that someone is > bound to have encountered it. > > My problem: Our state, Wyoming, is converting all standardized testing > for compliance with the "No Child Left Behind" law to computers. > Starting in about six weeks, children in grades 3-8, and grade 11, will > be taking our state test online. The test is designed by the state but > admisistered through Harcourt Assessment. To ensure that students do > not have access to other parts of the computer they are working on, all > testing must be done with a "secure browser." To get the browser to > be secure a program called SiteKiosk is used. And you guessed > it, it only runs on Windows and sometimes Macs. > > At this point the state is still dealing with many tech issues, > including getting SiteKiosk to run on Macs. I've been assured by > people at the state level and at Harcourt Assessment that no testing has > been done with Linux. Since K12LTSP is being used by school districts > across the nation, this seems to me to be a terrible oversight. > > I realize that the bigger school districts have the funding for Windows > systems; however, we are a small Catholic school with very little > resources to invest in IT. K12LTSP is the only way we can get computers > in the classroom. > > All that said, have any of you been faced with a similar issue? If > so, how have you dealt with it? How many schools with K12LTSP are using > it as their only platform? > > I plan to make as much noise as possible with both the state and with > Harcourt so that this situation can be corrected, but in the meantime > any ideas on how to get SiteKiosk to run on Linux would be great. Does > anyone know if a Linux-based program exsists to make a browser secure? > > Thanks for reading my rant and for K12LTSP...it's an awesome OS! > > Cheers, > Ken Ken, I wholeheartedly support your intention to make as much noise as possible. Oregon did something similar a few years ago, and like Wyoming, contracted with an out-of-state company (not Harcourt) for the testing implementation. I can say with not a little bemusement that the first year of testing was an unmitigated disaster. This is unfortunately typical where non-technical people write RFPs for technical services - there was no language in the original contract about things like window size (it required 1024x768, which blew away many computers we had in the district where I was then working), cross-platform compatibility, or W3C standards compliance. The company provided their own "secure browser" which turned out to be an aged version of Mozilla with a custom chrome. It was and to some extent an utter basket case - originally, Windows had permissions issues for limited-rights user accounts, the mac client was buggy, and the linux client still doesn't work very well. From what I can see of SiteKiosk, someone at Harcourt has made a very bad decision - it would appear to be specifically for users of MSIE on Windows (from their FAQ: "We are currently not planning on making SiteKiosk available for Macintosh (Apple), WinCe or UNIX/LINUX systems.") How anyone could think such an implementation is appropriate for K12 education escapes me. Harcourt's website wasn't very helpful when I went looking for solutions there: it's almost useless when viewed using Firefox in Linux. You could of course try various implementations of wine or terminal services, but the fact that Harcourt is eating Redmond's dogfood is discouraging. Realistically, I don't see a technical solution to a political problem, so my advice would be to solve the problem politically. Contact your legislators, write letters to the editors of the papers in Cheyenne, and otherwise be sure that this contract sees the light of day outside the smaller world of education. Be sure that what happens is that people with experience in educational technology are involved in writing any new contract for the state online testing, and that the supported platform list includes software one would expect to find in a school district. In the interim, apply extreme pressure to make available waivers for those schools and districts that do not have the resources to meet the specific requirements of the newly-mandated system. And be prepared for a horrible mess the first year - from what you describe, it's almost assured. Cheers, Mike From accessys at smart.net Sun Feb 26 20:28:36 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:28:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing In-Reply-To: <44020323.7020205@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <20060226114523.6b39b8bb@localhost> <44020323.7020205@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: well under the section 508 regulations of the Rehab act there can be no manditory browser specific requirements UNLESS they provide the software and hardware. Bob On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Mike Ely wrote: > Ken Grant wrote: > > Hello All: > > > > This may or may not be the best place to address this issue, but I > > figure there are enough tech/educational experts here that someone is > > bound to have encountered it. > > > > My problem: Our state, Wyoming, is converting all standardized testing > > for compliance with the "No Child Left Behind" law to computers. > > Starting in about six weeks, children in grades 3-8, and grade 11, will > > be taking our state test online. The test is designed by the state but > > admisistered through Harcourt Assessment. To ensure that students do > > not have access to other parts of the computer they are working on, all > > testing must be done with a "secure browser." To get the browser to > > be secure a program called SiteKiosk is used. And you guessed > > it, it only runs on Windows and sometimes Macs. > > > > At this point the state is still dealing with many tech issues, > > including getting SiteKiosk to run on Macs. I've been assured by > > people at the state level and at Harcourt Assessment that no testing has > > been done with Linux. Since K12LTSP is being used by school districts > > across the nation, this seems to me to be a terrible oversight. > > > > I realize that the bigger school districts have the funding for Windows > > systems; however, we are a small Catholic school with very little > > resources to invest in IT. K12LTSP is the only way we can get computers > > in the classroom. > > > > All that said, have any of you been faced with a similar issue? If > > so, how have you dealt with it? How many schools with K12LTSP are using > > it as their only platform? > > > > I plan to make as much noise as possible with both the state and with > > Harcourt so that this situation can be corrected, but in the meantime > > any ideas on how to get SiteKiosk to run on Linux would be great. Does > > anyone know if a Linux-based program exsists to make a browser secure? > > > > Thanks for reading my rant and for K12LTSP...it's an awesome OS! > > > > Cheers, > > Ken > > Ken, > > I wholeheartedly support your intention to make as much noise as > possible. Oregon did something similar a few years ago, and like > Wyoming, contracted with an out-of-state company (not Harcourt) for the > testing implementation. I can say with not a little bemusement that the > first year of testing was an unmitigated disaster. This is > unfortunately typical where non-technical people write RFPs for > technical services - there was no language in the original contract > about things like window size (it required 1024x768, which blew away > many computers we had in the district where I was then working), > cross-platform compatibility, or W3C standards compliance. > > The company provided their own "secure browser" which turned out to be > an aged version of Mozilla with a custom chrome. It was and to some > extent an utter basket case - originally, Windows had permissions issues > for limited-rights user accounts, the mac client was buggy, and the > linux client still doesn't work very well. > > From what I can see of SiteKiosk, someone at Harcourt has made a very > bad decision - it would appear to be specifically for users of MSIE on > Windows (from their FAQ: "We are currently not planning on making > SiteKiosk available for Macintosh (Apple), WinCe or UNIX/LINUX > systems.") How anyone could think such an implementation is appropriate > for K12 education escapes me. Harcourt's website wasn't very helpful > when I went looking for solutions there: it's almost useless when viewed > using Firefox in Linux. > > You could of course try various implementations of wine or terminal > services, but the fact that Harcourt is eating Redmond's dogfood is > discouraging. Realistically, I don't see a technical solution to a > political problem, so my advice would be to solve the problem > politically. Contact your legislators, write letters to the editors of > the papers in Cheyenne, and otherwise be sure that this contract sees > the light of day outside the smaller world of education. Be sure that > what happens is that people with experience in educational technology > are involved in writing any new contract for the state online testing, > and that the supported platform list includes software one would expect > to find in a school district. > > In the interim, apply extreme pressure to make available waivers for > those schools and districts that do not have the resources to meet the > specific requirements of the newly-mandated system. And be prepared for > a horrible mess the first year - from what you describe, it's almost > assured. > > Cheers, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From accessys at smart.net Sun Feb 26 20:32:38 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:32:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing In-Reply-To: <44020323.7020205@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <20060226114523.6b39b8bb@localhost> <44020323.7020205@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: also how could something like this comply with the IDEA and be usable with any screen reader much less one like EMACSPEAK which is the one most usable with K12. all you need is one visually impaired student who's IEP indicates a screen reader, especially one like EMACSPEAK which would be non compatible to have the entire contract nulified. Bob On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Mike Ely wrote: > Ken Grant wrote: > > Hello All: > > > > This may or may not be the best place to address this issue, but I > > figure there are enough tech/educational experts here that someone is > > bound to have encountered it. > > > > My problem: Our state, Wyoming, is converting all standardized testing > > for compliance with the "No Child Left Behind" law to computers. > > Starting in about six weeks, children in grades 3-8, and grade 11, will > > be taking our state test online. The test is designed by the state but > > admisistered through Harcourt Assessment. To ensure that students do > > not have access to other parts of the computer they are working on, all > > testing must be done with a "secure browser." To get the browser to > > be secure a program called SiteKiosk is used. And you guessed > > it, it only runs on Windows and sometimes Macs. > > > > At this point the state is still dealing with many tech issues, > > including getting SiteKiosk to run on Macs. I've been assured by > > people at the state level and at Harcourt Assessment that no testing has > > been done with Linux. Since K12LTSP is being used by school districts > > across the nation, this seems to me to be a terrible oversight. > > > > I realize that the bigger school districts have the funding for Windows > > systems; however, we are a small Catholic school with very little > > resources to invest in IT. K12LTSP is the only way we can get computers > > in the classroom. > > > > All that said, have any of you been faced with a similar issue? If > > so, how have you dealt with it? How many schools with K12LTSP are using > > it as their only platform? > > > > I plan to make as much noise as possible with both the state and with > > Harcourt so that this situation can be corrected, but in the meantime > > any ideas on how to get SiteKiosk to run on Linux would be great. Does > > anyone know if a Linux-based program exsists to make a browser secure? > > > > Thanks for reading my rant and for K12LTSP...it's an awesome OS! > > > > Cheers, > > Ken > > Ken, > > I wholeheartedly support your intention to make as much noise as > possible. Oregon did something similar a few years ago, and like > Wyoming, contracted with an out-of-state company (not Harcourt) for the > testing implementation. I can say with not a little bemusement that the > first year of testing was an unmitigated disaster. This is > unfortunately typical where non-technical people write RFPs for > technical services - there was no language in the original contract > about things like window size (it required 1024x768, which blew away > many computers we had in the district where I was then working), > cross-platform compatibility, or W3C standards compliance. > > The company provided their own "secure browser" which turned out to be > an aged version of Mozilla with a custom chrome. It was and to some > extent an utter basket case - originally, Windows had permissions issues > for limited-rights user accounts, the mac client was buggy, and the > linux client still doesn't work very well. > > From what I can see of SiteKiosk, someone at Harcourt has made a very > bad decision - it would appear to be specifically for users of MSIE on > Windows (from their FAQ: "We are currently not planning on making > SiteKiosk available for Macintosh (Apple), WinCe or UNIX/LINUX > systems.") How anyone could think such an implementation is appropriate > for K12 education escapes me. Harcourt's website wasn't very helpful > when I went looking for solutions there: it's almost useless when viewed > using Firefox in Linux. > > You could of course try various implementations of wine or terminal > services, but the fact that Harcourt is eating Redmond's dogfood is > discouraging. Realistically, I don't see a technical solution to a > political problem, so my advice would be to solve the problem > politically. Contact your legislators, write letters to the editors of > the papers in Cheyenne, and otherwise be sure that this contract sees > the light of day outside the smaller world of education. Be sure that > what happens is that people with experience in educational technology > are involved in writing any new contract for the state online testing, > and that the supported platform list includes software one would expect > to find in a school district. > > In the interim, apply extreme pressure to make available waivers for > those schools and districts that do not have the resources to meet the > specific requirements of the newly-mandated system. And be prepared for > a horrible mess the first year - from what you describe, it's almost > assured. > > Cheers, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From veewee77 at alltel.net Mon Feb 27 01:08:27 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:08:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing In-Reply-To: <20060226114523.6b39b8bb@localhost> References: <20060226114523.6b39b8bb@localhost> Message-ID: <4402510B.4030309@alltel.net> All I have to say is "Good Luck!" We have state testing here for some of our programs and it is attempted to be administered online. We have yet to have one work reliably and efficiently yet and we have been doing it for several years already. doug Ken Grant wrote: >Hello All: > > This may or may not be the best place to address this issue, but I >figure there are enough tech/educational experts here that someone is >bound to have encountered it. > > My problem: Our state, Wyoming, is converting all standardized testing >for compliance with the "No Child Left Behind" law to computers. >Starting in about six weeks, children in grades 3-8, and grade 11, will >be taking our state test online. The test is designed by the state but >admisistered through Harcourt Assessment. To ensure that students do >not have access to other parts of the computer they are working on, all >testing must be done with a "secure browser." To get the browser to >be secure a program called SiteKiosk is used. And you guessed >it, it only runs on Windows and sometimes Macs. > > At this point the state is still dealing with many tech issues, >including getting SiteKiosk to run on Macs. I've been assured by >people at the state level and at Harcourt Assessment that no testing has >been done with Linux. Since K12LTSP is being used by school districts >across the nation, this seems to me to be a terrible oversight. > > I realize that the bigger school districts have the funding for Windows >systems; however, we are a small Catholic school with very little >resources to invest in IT. K12LTSP is the only way we can get computers >in the classroom. > > All that said, have any of you been faced with a similar issue? If >so, how have you dealt with it? How many schools with K12LTSP are using >it as their only platform? > > I plan to make as much noise as possible with both the state and with >Harcourt so that this situation can be corrected, but in the meantime >any ideas on how to get SiteKiosk to run on Linux would be great. Does >anyone know if a Linux-based program exsists to make a browser secure? > > Thanks for reading my rant and for K12LTSP...it's an awesome OS! > >Cheers, >Ken > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From toddobryan at mac.com Mon Feb 27 01:23:16 2006 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:23:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing In-Reply-To: <4402510B.4030309@alltel.net> References: <20060226114523.6b39b8bb@localhost> <4402510B.4030309@alltel.net> Message-ID: <7AA95403-114C-4391-A8E7-E7B3BE866985@mac.com> Kentucky tried to pilot a program last year. Apparently the bandwidth was way too high. Which only goes to show you that the program was written really badly. What really annoys me is that some of my brightest students and I could write a program that would handle most of what they want in a summer. Just create a Java app that downloads questions and uploads answers when students need them (so everyone's not hitting the server at the same time). The only challenging part is making sure that students can't quit the program or otherwise use another program while they're testing. And how many millions are we spending on stuff that a developer would do for less than $50k and could be released as open source so that all the states could then use it? Todd On Feb 26, 2006, at 8:08 PM, Doug Simpson wrote: > All I have to say is "Good Luck!" > > We have state testing here for some of our programs and it is > attempted to be administered online. > > We have yet to have one work reliably and efficiently yet and we > have been doing it for several years already. > > doug > > > Ken Grant wrote: > >> Hello All: >> >> This may or may not be the best place to address this issue, but I >> figure there are enough tech/educational experts here that someone is >> bound to have encountered it. >> >> My problem: Our state, Wyoming, is converting all standardized >> testing >> for compliance with the "No Child Left Behind" law to computers. >> Starting in about six weeks, children in grades 3-8, and grade 11, >> will >> be taking our state test online. The test is designed by the >> state but >> admisistered through Harcourt Assessment. To ensure that students do >> not have access to other parts of the computer they are working >> on, all >> testing must be done with a "secure browser." To get the browser to >> be secure a program called SiteKiosk is used. And you guessed >> it, it only runs on Windows and sometimes Macs. >> >> At this point the state is still dealing with many tech issues, >> including getting SiteKiosk to run on Macs. I've been assured by >> people at the state level and at Harcourt Assessment that no >> testing has >> been done with Linux. Since K12LTSP is being used by school >> districts >> across the nation, this seems to me to be a terrible oversight. >> >> I realize that the bigger school districts have the funding for >> Windows >> systems; however, we are a small Catholic school with very little >> resources to invest in IT. K12LTSP is the only way we can get >> computers >> in the classroom. >> All that said, have any of you been faced with a similar issue? If >> so, how have you dealt with it? How many schools with K12LTSP are >> using >> it as their only platform? >> >> I plan to make as much noise as possible with both the state and >> with >> Harcourt so that this situation can be corrected, but in the meantime >> any ideas on how to get SiteKiosk to run on Linux would be great. >> Does >> anyone know if a Linux-based program exsists to make a browser >> secure? >> >> Thanks for reading my rant and for K12LTSP...it's an awesome OS! >> >> Cheers, >> Ken >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cliebow at midmaine.com Mon Feb 27 01:53:28 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:53:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing In-Reply-To: <7AA95403-114C-4391-A8E7-E7B3BE866985@mac.com> References: <20060226114523.6b39b8bb@localhost> <4402510B.4030309@alltel.net> <7AA95403-114C-4391-A8E7-E7B3BE866985@mac.com> Message-ID: <60184.70.33.151.214.1141005208.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Maine has state testing online with proprietary software that is an abysmal failure as well..chuck > Kentucky tried to pilot a program last year. Apparently the bandwidth > was way too high. Which only goes to show you that the program was > written really badly. > > What really annoys me is that some of my brightest students and I > could write a program that would handle most of what they want in a > summer. Just create a Java app that downloads questions and uploads > answers when students need them (so everyone's not hitting the server > at the same time). The only challenging part is making sure that > students can't quit the program or otherwise use another program > while they're testing. > > And how many millions are we spending on stuff that a developer would > do for less than $50k and could be released as open source so that > all the states could then use it? > > Todd > > On Feb 26, 2006, at 8:08 PM, Doug Simpson wrote: > >> All I have to say is "Good Luck!" >> >> We have state testing here for some of our programs and it is >> attempted to be administered online. >> >> We have yet to have one work reliably and efficiently yet and we >> have been doing it for several years already. >> >> doug >> >> >> Ken Grant wrote: >> >>> Hello All: >>> >>> This may or may not be the best place to address this issue, but I >>> figure there are enough tech/educational experts here that someone is >>> bound to have encountered it. >>> >>> My problem: Our state, Wyoming, is converting all standardized >>> testing >>> for compliance with the "No Child Left Behind" law to computers. >>> Starting in about six weeks, children in grades 3-8, and grade 11, >>> will >>> be taking our state test online. The test is designed by the >>> state but >>> admisistered through Harcourt Assessment. To ensure that students do >>> not have access to other parts of the computer they are working >>> on, all >>> testing must be done with a "secure browser." To get the browser to >>> be secure a program called SiteKiosk is used. And you guessed >>> it, it only runs on Windows and sometimes Macs. >>> >>> At this point the state is still dealing with many tech issues, >>> including getting SiteKiosk to run on Macs. I've been assured by >>> people at the state level and at Harcourt Assessment that no >>> testing has >>> been done with Linux. Since K12LTSP is being used by school >>> districts >>> across the nation, this seems to me to be a terrible oversight. >>> >>> I realize that the bigger school districts have the funding for >>> Windows >>> systems; however, we are a small Catholic school with very little >>> resources to invest in IT. K12LTSP is the only way we can get >>> computers >>> in the classroom. >>> All that said, have any of you been faced with a similar issue? If >>> so, how have you dealt with it? How many schools with K12LTSP are >>> using >>> it as their only platform? >>> >>> I plan to make as much noise as possible with both the state and >>> with >>> Harcourt so that this situation can be corrected, but in the meantime >>> any ideas on how to get SiteKiosk to run on Linux would be great. >>> Does >>> anyone know if a Linux-based program exsists to make a browser >>> secure? >>> >>> Thanks for reading my rant and for K12LTSP...it's an awesome OS! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ken >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rmcdaniel at indata.us Mon Feb 27 03:13:28 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:13:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing Message-ID: <20060226201328.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.4e970e2251.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> The best thing to do is leave some feedback about the direction and limitations of the software. http://harcourtassessment.com/haiweb/Cultures/en-US/VIEW/Customer+VIEW.htm Explaining the school systems that aren't Microsoft centric and are implementing systems that are based on Open Standards, perhaps someone may take notice. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing > From: Ken Grant > Date: Sun, February 26, 2006 12:45 pm > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Hello All: > > This may or may not be the best place to address this issue, but I > figure there are enough tech/educational experts here that someone is > bound to have encountered it. > > My problem: Our state, Wyoming, is converting all standardized testing > for compliance with the "No Child Left Behind" law to computers. > Starting in about six weeks, children in grades 3-8, and grade 11, will > be taking our state test online. The test is designed by the state but > admisistered through Harcourt Assessment. To ensure that students do > not have access to other parts of the computer they are working on, all > testing must be done with a "secure browser." To get the browser to > be secure a program called SiteKiosk is used. And you guessed > it, it only runs on Windows and sometimes Macs. > > At this point the state is still dealing with many tech issues, > including getting SiteKiosk to run on Macs. I've been assured by > people at the state level and at Harcourt Assessment that no testing has > been done with Linux. Since K12LTSP is being used by school districts > across the nation, this seems to me to be a terrible oversight. > > I realize that the bigger school districts have the funding for Windows > systems; however, we are a small Catholic school with very little > resources to invest in IT. K12LTSP is the only way we can get computers > in the classroom. > > All that said, have any of you been faced with a similar issue? If > so, how have you dealt with it? How many schools with K12LTSP are using > it as their only platform? > > I plan to make as much noise as possible with both the state and with > Harcourt so that this situation can be corrected, but in the meantime > any ideas on how to get SiteKiosk to run on Linux would be great. Does > anyone know if a Linux-based program exsists to make a browser secure? > > Thanks for reading my rant and for K12LTSP...it's an awesome OS! > > Cheers, > Ken > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Feb 27 03:52:38 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:52:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP - NFS/CIFS In-Reply-To: <20060225210901.w8bxk7by0w0sgo00@teamdat.dyndns.org> References: <20060225210901.w8bxk7by0w0sgo00@teamdat.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 3:09 PM +0000 wrote: >Hi, > >I am currently running a LTSP setup for 60 users. The /home directory >and data is provided to the terminalserver via NFS. However, NFS is >giving me headaches. Sometimes access to all files and directories on >the NFS server is being denied. I cannot figure out why this happens. >The problem arises very infrequently. I reinstalled the whole file- and >terminalserver. The software on the servers is up to date now. The >problem happened with the old installation, which was 2 years old, and >it still exists in the new installation. The problem goes away after a >few minutes and everything works smoothly again. The fileserver is also >running Samba. User accounts are stored centrally in a LDAP database. >UIDs/GIDs match on both servers. Users are in no more than 13 groups >max. You mention that users are the same on each server. Are they both Linux servers? If so, why would you have users on both servers? Use something like smbldap-installer http://www.majen.net/smbldap and to set everything up on the file server. I have Samba and LDAP running on my file server and simply point my K12LTSP server to it for authentication using authconfig. I export the /home directories via NFS....no issues at all and have been doing this for 3-4 years now. Seriously, use smbldap-installer and you'll have no issues at all. :-) > > >1. Has anyone experienced similar issues with NFS? > >2. Is it possible to use Samba/CIFS instead of NFS in a setup like this >? Can anyone comment on possiblity, stability, etc. ? One of the nice >things about using NFS is that I only need to mount the share once at >system startup. Can something like that be archived when using CIFS and >ACLs maybe ? Help would be very much appreciated. >Thanks in advance. >-- >Daniel Bramkamp > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Feb 27 03:52:38 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:52:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP - NFS/CIFS In-Reply-To: <20060225210901.w8bxk7by0w0sgo00@teamdat.dyndns.org> References: <20060225210901.w8bxk7by0w0sgo00@teamdat.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, February 25, 2006 at 3:09 PM +0000 wrote: >Hi, > >I am currently running a LTSP setup for 60 users. The /home directory >and data is provided to the terminalserver via NFS. However, NFS is >giving me headaches. Sometimes access to all files and directories on >the NFS server is being denied. I cannot figure out why this happens. >The problem arises very infrequently. I reinstalled the whole file- and >terminalserver. The software on the servers is up to date now. The >problem happened with the old installation, which was 2 years old, and >it still exists in the new installation. The problem goes away after a >few minutes and everything works smoothly again. The fileserver is also >running Samba. User accounts are stored centrally in a LDAP database. >UIDs/GIDs match on both servers. Users are in no more than 13 groups >max. You mention that users are the same on each server. Are they both Linux servers? If so, why would you have users on both servers? Use something like smbldap-installer http://www.majen.net/smbldap and to set everything up on the file server. I have Samba and LDAP running on my file server and simply point my K12LTSP server to it for authentication using authconfig. I export the /home directories via NFS....no issues at all and have been doing this for 3-4 years now. Seriously, use smbldap-installer and you'll have no issues at all. :-) > > >1. Has anyone experienced similar issues with NFS? > >2. Is it possible to use Samba/CIFS instead of NFS in a setup like this >? Can anyone comment on possiblity, stability, etc. ? One of the nice >things about using NFS is that I only need to mount the share once at >system startup. Can something like that be archived when using CIFS and >ACLs maybe ? Help would be very much appreciated. >Thanks in advance. >-- >Daniel Bramkamp > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From rmcdaniel at indata.us Mon Feb 27 03:29:05 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:29:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing Message-ID: <20060226202905.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.cd911ac0b3.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> If everyone would click on the sales team for your area and shoot an email stating the need for software that supports other operating systems and browsers, I bet it will get some attention. Following is one that I just sent to the rep for Alabama: Mr. Hebson, It is being brought to my attention that some of the assessment products that are being required in other states don't support Internet browsers or other operating systems other than Windows. Our state has not made a decision to use products like this and I hope that they will not as long as the products aren't being developed around open standards. Please pass on to your development teams that many school systems are using operating systems other than Windows and if they intend to capture a larger market share, they should consider developing software that will operate on Linux and Mac as well as Windows. Our district is moving at a fast pace deploying Linux and FireFox throughout our system due to the greater reliability and ease of management that has been experienced in our district. Sincerely, Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] State Testing > From: rmcdaniel at indata.us > Date: Sun, February 26, 2006 9:13 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > The best thing to do is leave some feedback about the direction and > limitations of the software. > > http://harcourtassessment.com/haiweb/Cultures/en-US/VIEW/Customer+VIEW.htm > > Explaining the school systems that aren't Microsoft centric and are > implementing systems that are based on Open Standards, perhaps someone > may take notice. > > Ron > > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing > > From: Ken Grant > > Date: Sun, February 26, 2006 12:45 pm > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > > > Hello All: > > > > This may or may not be the best place to address this issue, but I > > figure there are enough tech/educational experts here that someone is > > bound to have encountered it. > > > > My problem: Our state, Wyoming, is converting all standardized testing > > for compliance with the "No Child Left Behind" law to computers. > > Starting in about six weeks, children in grades 3-8, and grade 11, will > > be taking our state test online. The test is designed by the state but > > admisistered through Harcourt Assessment. To ensure that students do > > not have access to other parts of the computer they are working on, all > > testing must be done with a "secure browser." To get the browser to > > be secure a program called SiteKiosk is used. And you guessed > > it, it only runs on Windows and sometimes Macs. > > > > At this point the state is still dealing with many tech issues, > > including getting SiteKiosk to run on Macs. I've been assured by > > people at the state level and at Harcourt Assessment that no testing has > > been done with Linux. Since K12LTSP is being used by school districts > > across the nation, this seems to me to be a terrible oversight. > > > > I realize that the bigger school districts have the funding for Windows > > systems; however, we are a small Catholic school with very little > > resources to invest in IT. K12LTSP is the only way we can get computers > > in the classroom. > > > > All that said, have any of you been faced with a similar issue? If > > so, how have you dealt with it? How many schools with K12LTSP are using > > it as their only platform? > > > > I plan to make as much noise as possible with both the state and with > > Harcourt so that this situation can be corrected, but in the meantime > > any ideas on how to get SiteKiosk to run on Linux would be great. Does > > anyone know if a Linux-based program exsists to make a browser secure? > > > > Thanks for reading my rant and for K12LTSP...it's an awesome OS! > > > > Cheers, > > Ken > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From m3freak at rogers.com Mon Feb 27 06:32:06 2006 From: m3freak at rogers.com (Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:32:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT-BackupPC Errors - fixed In-Reply-To: <43FE035C.5050005@snarlnet.com> References: <43FE035C.5050005@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <1141021927.8984.5.camel@krs> On Thu, 2006-23-02 at 10:47 -0800, Carl Keil wrote: > I thought you all should be reminded, when in doubt reboot. (That was > is my Windows troubleshooting mantra. I guess it can apply to Linux too.) I don't concur. I have found that rebooting a Linux server to fix a problem is usually entertained by those less experienced with Linux distro administration. Anyway, that PIPE error you've been seeing with BackupPC will most likely rear it's head again: when, I can't say. But, it's almost always caused by the timeout setting in your main config.pl file being too low. Change $Conf{ClientTimeout} to a higher value to, say, 72000 (20 hours). Check out BackupPC's mailing list. There are many posts there from people who have experienced the same problem. Regards, Ranbir -- Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu Linux 2.6.15-1.1831_FC4 i686 GNU/Linux 01:26:22 up 14:44, 2 users, load average: 0.48, 0.43, 0.50 From bramkamp at team-datentechnik.de Mon Feb 27 08:14:37 2006 From: bramkamp at team-datentechnik.de (Daniel Bramkamp) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:14:37 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP - NFS/CIFS In-Reply-To: References: <20060225210901.w8bxk7by0w0sgo00@teamdat.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20060227091437.03xu4m04w0w4ws0k@192.168.0.102> Quoting David Trask : Hi, > You mention that users are the same on each server. Are they both Linux > servers? If so, why would you have users on both servers? yes, they are both running Linux. My user accounts are stored in LDAP. Both servers use the same LDAP database, that's why they appear on both servers, obviously. > Use something like smbldap-installer http://www.majen.net/smbldap and to set > everything up on the file server. I have Samba and LDAP running on my > file server and simply point my K12LTSP server to it for authentication > using authconfig. I export the /home directories via NFS....no issues at > all and have been doing this for 3-4 years now. Well, that's what I am doing as well. The LTSP server is using the fileserver and LDAP for authentication. I am sure the script you mentioned is helpful but my user accounts and Samba are already setup. I think I have found the issue now though : Some users log in as "User" instead of "user". The weird thing is, that "id user" and "id User" return different results when it comes to group membership. I guess this happens because the uid attribute in the LDAP schema file is case insensitive while the memberUid attribute is case sensitive. This leads to weird results. I have found a PAM module which forces users to login with their name in lowercase. I am going to try that and see if it helps. Cheers, -- Daniel Bramkamp From gumprechtm at msad3.org Mon Feb 27 11:37:32 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:37:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP - NFS/CIFS In-Reply-To: <20060225210901.w8bxk7by0w0sgo00@teamdat.dyndns.org> References: <20060225210901.w8bxk7by0w0sgo00@teamdat.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4402E47C.8080504@msad3.org> One problem I had was with having spanning tree enabled on my managed switches. If you have spanning tree enabled, shut it off on the runs to your server. This will kill the 45 to 60 second reconnect time that the switch uses to determine if there is a loop on that line. The wiring in the building was not installed by any standard. I have legs of the network which will drop for a second or so and come back on line. Run lengths, refrigerators, florencent lights, etc. all add to the issue of noise. I pulled fiber between the mdf and idfs ( I use those terms very loosly for this network), to cure the 500' + issues, so I only had to turn it off for the copper drop runs. HTH Mark Daniel Bramkamp wrote: > Hi, > > I am currently running a LTSP setup for 60 users. The /home directory > and data is provided to the terminalserver via NFS. However, NFS is > giving me headaches. Sometimes access to all files and directories on > the NFS server is being denied. I cannot figure out why this happens. > The problem arises very infrequently. I reinstalled the whole file- > and terminalserver. The software on the servers is up to date now. The > problem happened with the old installation, which was 2 years old, and > it still exists in the new installation. The problem goes away after a > few minutes and everything works smoothly again. The fileserver is > also running Samba. User accounts are stored centrally in a LDAP > database. UIDs/GIDs match on both servers. Users are in no more than > 13 groups max. > > 1. Has anyone experienced similar issues with NFS? > > 2. Is it possible to use Samba/CIFS instead of NFS in a setup like > this ? Can anyone comment on possiblity, stability, etc. ? One of the > nice things about using NFS is that I only need to mount the share > once at system startup. Can something like that be archived when using > CIFS and ACLs maybe ? Help would be very much appreciated. > Thanks in advance. -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From cliebow at midmaine.com Mon Feb 27 12:31:59 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:31:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] pykota Message-ID: <55320.70.33.151.214.1141043519.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> anyone having as much fun with pykota documentation as I am? Martin Woolley? Could someone share a piece of ldif with the pykota fields implanted?chuck From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Mon Feb 27 13:21:28 2006 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:21:28 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] pykota In-Reply-To: <55320.70.33.151.214.1141043519.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <55320.70.33.151.214.1141043519.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <200602271321.29063.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Monday 27 Feb 2006 12:31, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > anyone having as much fun with pykota documentation as I am? Martin > Woolley? Could someone share a piece of ldif with the pykota fields > implanted?chuck Everything that I know about pykota can be found at www.openhgs.org.uk/it.cgi/PyKota What you should do is join the pykota mailing list - it isn't very busy, so you won't get thousands of emails - what is important about this list is that Jerome Alet (the author) monitors the list and is prompt to reply. I can't help you with ldif - I like to use the words "barge pole" and "LDAP" in the same sentence :-) -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From kmgrant at actaccess.net Mon Feb 27 13:46:17 2006 From: kmgrant at actaccess.net (Ken Grant) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:46:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing In-Reply-To: <20060226114523.6b39b8bb@localhost> References: <20060226114523.6b39b8bb@localhost> Message-ID: <20060227064617.17be6397@localhost> Hi: Thanks for all your wonderful responses! It is good to know, in a bizzare sort of way, that other states have tried and failed at implementing testing in this way. I'm going to talk to anyone I can at Harcourt and the state to make sure that all platforms are considered when implementing this type of testing. Bandwidth issues were mentioned and the public schools in Wyoming are having a devil of a time with this issue. The whole thing has been poorly thought out and implemented. Cheers, Ken On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:45:23 -0700 Ken Grant wrote: > Hello All: > > This may or may not be the best place to address this issue, but I > figure there are enough tech/educational experts here that someone is > bound to have encountered it. > > My problem: Our state, Wyoming, is converting all standardized testing > for compliance with the "No Child Left Behind" law to computers. > Starting in about six weeks, children in grades 3-8, and grade 11, will > be taking our state test online. The test is designed by the state but > admisistered through Harcourt Assessment. To ensure that students do > not have access to other parts of the computer they are working on, all > testing must be done with a "secure browser." To get the browser to > be secure a program called SiteKiosk is used. And you guessed > it, it only runs on Windows and sometimes Macs. > > At this point the state is still dealing with many tech issues, > including getting SiteKiosk to run on Macs. I've been assured by > people at the state level and at Harcourt Assessment that no testing has > been done with Linux. Since K12LTSP is being used by school districts > across the nation, this seems to me to be a terrible oversight. > > I realize that the bigger school districts have the funding for Windows > systems; however, we are a small Catholic school with very little > resources to invest in IT. K12LTSP is the only way we can get computers > in the classroom. > > All that said, have any of you been faced with a similar issue? If > so, how have you dealt with it? How many schools with K12LTSP are using > it as their only platform? > > I plan to make as much noise as possible with both the state and with > Harcourt so that this situation can be corrected, but in the meantime > any ideas on how to get SiteKiosk to run on Linux would be great. Does > anyone know if a Linux-based program exsists to make a browser secure? > > Thanks for reading my rant and for K12LTSP...it's an awesome OS! > > Cheers, > Ken > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cliebow at midmaine.com Mon Feb 27 14:05:45 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:05:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] pykota In-Reply-To: <200602271321.29063.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <55320.70.33.151.214.1141043519.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <200602271321.29063.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <43637.169.244.70.148.1141049145.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Yes i can see you are having as much fun as i am..i have pykota talking to ldap ok but to integrate to my existing ldap i need to append the right fields..not a prob long as i can figure out what fields and what needs to be inside them..lets keep in touch though you are postgres and redhat..and im ubuntu and ldaap..chuck > On Monday 27 Feb 2006 12:31, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: >> anyone having as much fun with pykota documentation as I am? Martin >> Woolley? Could someone share a piece of ldif with the pykota fields >> implanted?chuck > > Everything that I know about pykota can be found at > www.openhgs.org.uk/it.cgi/PyKota What you should do is join the pykota > mailing list - it isn't very busy, so you won't get thousands of emails - > what is important about this list is that Jerome Alet (the author) > monitors > the list and is prompt to reply. I can't help you with ldif - I like to > use > the words "barge pole" and "LDAP" in the same sentence :-) > -- > Regards > Martin Woolley > ICT Support > Handsworth Grammar School > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > ************************************************************* > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email > in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org > > The views expressed within this email are those of the > individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation > ************************************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Mon Feb 27 15:30:27 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:30:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing In-Reply-To: <20060227064617.17be6397@localhost> References: <20060226114523.6b39b8bb@localhost> <20060227064617.17be6397@localhost> Message-ID: <1141054227.8934.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, Generally speaking, the only way to ensure that you get platform independent programs/applications is to go web-based. I've really encouraged our state to start focusing on web-based testing and applications because that really is the only way to be platform independent. Besides, it's generally less expensive (both labor and time) to create a web-based application versus creating a Windows executable and the numerous install options Linux offers (.deb, .rpm, .bin, .tar.gz, etc...) and the Mac .sit file. About a week and a half ago I was on here talking about PowerSchool and how it's web-based (as is Centre...I don't want to go there again. :)) and how because it is web-based we aren't tied down to one operating system on our client side. We can use Macs, Windows, and Linux clients to view our student information system database. In my humble opinion, web-based is the way to go if your district and state can go that route. -Paul On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 06:46 -0700, Ken Grant wrote: > Hi: > > Thanks for all your wonderful responses! It is good to know, in a > bizzare sort of way, that other states have tried and failed at > implementing testing in this way. > > I'm going to talk to anyone I can at Harcourt and the state to make > sure that all platforms are considered when implementing this type of > testing. > > Bandwidth issues were mentioned and the public schools in Wyoming are > having a devil of a time with this issue. The whole thing has been > poorly thought out and implemented. > > Cheers, > Ken > > On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:45:23 -0700 > Ken Grant wrote: > > > Hello All: > > > > This may or may not be the best place to address this issue, but > I > > figure there are enough tech/educational experts here that someone is > > bound to have encountered it. > > > > My problem: Our state, Wyoming, is converting all standardized > testing > > for compliance with the "No Child Left Behind" law to computers. > > Starting in about six weeks, children in grades 3-8, and grade 11, > will > > be taking our state test online. The test is designed by the state > but > > admisistered through Harcourt Assessment. To ensure that students do > > not have access to other parts of the computer they are working on, > all > > testing must be done with a "secure browser." To get the browser to > > be secure a program called SiteKiosk is used. And you guessed > > it, it only runs on Windows and sometimes Macs. > > > > At this point the state is still dealing with many tech issues, > > including getting SiteKiosk to run on Macs. I've been assured by > > people at the state level and at Harcourt Assessment that no testing > has > > been done with Linux. Since K12LTSP is being used by school districts > > across the nation, this seems to me to be a terrible oversight. > > > > I realize that the bigger school districts have the funding for > Windows > > systems; however, we are a small Catholic school with very little > > resources to invest in IT. K12LTSP is the only way we can get > computers > > in the classroom. > > > > All that said, have any of you been faced with a similar issue? > If > > so, how have you dealt with it? How many schools with K12LTSP are > using > > it as their only platform? > > > > I plan to make as much noise as possible with both the state and > with > > Harcourt so that this situation can be corrected, but in the meantime > > any ideas on how to get SiteKiosk to run on Linux would be great. > Does > > anyone know if a Linux-based program exsists to make a browser > secure? > > > > Thanks for reading my rant and for K12LTSP...it's an awesome OS! > > > > Cheers, > > Ken > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5452 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 From timothy.hart at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 15:37:28 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:37:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing In-Reply-To: <1141054227.8934.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060226114523.6b39b8bb@localhost> <20060227064617.17be6397@localhost> <1141054227.8934.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <464c38cc0602270737g3aa05950xcf049c281e139ee6@mail.gmail.com> I was always confused why the State of Maine didn't do that with our tests. Seems like a no brainer, but so do a lot of other decisions that they make incorrectly. On 2/27/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > All, > > Generally speaking, the only way to ensure that you get platform > independent programs/applications is to go web-based. I've really > encouraged our state to start focusing on web-based testing and > applications because that really is the only way to be platform > independent. Besides, it's generally less expensive (both labor and > time) to create a web-based application versus creating a Windows > executable and the numerous install options Linux offers > (.deb, .rpm, .bin, .tar.gz, etc...) and the Mac .sit file. About a week > and a half ago I was on here talking about PowerSchool and how it's > web-based (as is Centre...I don't want to go there again. :)) and how > because it is web-based we aren't tied down to one operating system on > our client side. We can use Macs, Windows, and Linux clients to view our > student information system database. In my humble opinion, web-based is > the way to go if your district and state can go that route. > > -Paul > > > > On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 06:46 -0700, Ken Grant wrote: > > Hi: > > > > Thanks for all your wonderful responses! It is good to know, in a > > bizzare sort of way, that other states have tried and failed at > > implementing testing in this way. > > > > I'm going to talk to anyone I can at Harcourt and the state to > make > > sure that all platforms are considered when implementing this type of > > testing. > > > > Bandwidth issues were mentioned and the public schools in Wyoming > are > > having a devil of a time with this issue. The whole thing has been > > poorly thought out and implemented. > > > > Cheers, > > Ken > > > > On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:45:23 -0700 > > Ken Grant wrote: > > > > > Hello All: > > > > > > This may or may not be the best place to address this issue, but > > I > > > figure there are enough tech/educational experts here that someone is > > > bound to have encountered it. > > > > > > My problem: Our state, Wyoming, is converting all standardized > > testing > > > for compliance with the "No Child Left Behind" law to computers. > > > Starting in about six weeks, children in grades 3-8, and grade 11, > > will > > > be taking our state test online. The test is designed by the state > > but > > > admisistered through Harcourt Assessment. To ensure that students do > > > not have access to other parts of the computer they are working on, > > all > > > testing must be done with a "secure browser." To get the browser to > > > be secure a program called SiteKiosk is used. And you guessed > > > it, it only runs on Windows and sometimes Macs. > > > > > > At this point the state is still dealing with many tech issues, > > > including getting SiteKiosk to run on Macs. I've been assured by > > > people at the state level and at Harcourt Assessment that no testing > > has > > > been done with Linux. Since K12LTSP is being used by school districts > > > across the nation, this seems to me to be a terrible oversight. > > > > > > I realize that the bigger school districts have the funding for > > Windows > > > systems; however, we are a small Catholic school with very little > > > resources to invest in IT. K12LTSP is the only way we can get > > computers > > > in the classroom. > > > > > > All that said, have any of you been faced with a similar issue? > > If > > > so, how have you dealt with it? How many schools with K12LTSP are > > using > > > it as their only platform? > > > > > > I plan to make as much noise as possible with both the state and > > with > > > Harcourt so that this situation can be corrected, but in the meantime > > > any ideas on how to get SiteKiosk to run on Linux would be great. > > Does > > > anyone know if a Linux-based program exsists to make a browser > > secure? > > > > > > Thanks for reading my rant and for K12LTSP...it's an awesome OS! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Ken > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5452 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at ehle.homelinux.org Mon Feb 27 15:37:15 2006 From: mark at ehle.homelinux.org (mark at ehle.homelinux.org) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:37:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing In-Reply-To: <1141054227.8934.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060226114523.6b39b8bb@localhost> <20060227064617.17be6397@localhost> <1141054227.8934.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1141054635.44031cab1835b@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> That's fine as long as you get them to make web-based applications that run on ALL browsers instead of just IE. Mark E. Quoting Paul VanGundy : > All, > > Generally speaking, the only way to ensure that you get platform > independent programs/applications is to go web-based. I've really > encouraged our state to start focusing on web-based testing and > applications because that really is the only way to be platform > independent. Besides, it's generally less expensive (both labor and > time) to create a web-based application versus creating a Windows > executable and the numerous install options Linux offers > (.deb, .rpm, .bin, .tar.gz, etc...) and the Mac .sit file. About a week > and a half ago I was on here talking about PowerSchool and how it's > web-based (as is Centre...I don't want to go there again. :)) and how > because it is web-based we aren't tied down to one operating system on > our client side. We can use Macs, Windows, and Linux clients to view our > student information system database. In my humble opinion, web-based is > the way to go if your district and state can go that route. > > -Paul > > > > On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 06:46 -0700, Ken Grant wrote: > > Hi: > > > > Thanks for all your wonderful responses! It is good to know, in a > > bizzare sort of way, that other states have tried and failed at > > implementing testing in this way. > > > > I'm going to talk to anyone I can at Harcourt and the state to make > > sure that all platforms are considered when implementing this type of > > testing. > > > > Bandwidth issues were mentioned and the public schools in Wyoming are > > having a devil of a time with this issue. The whole thing has been > > poorly thought out and implemented. > > > > Cheers, > > Ken > > > > On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:45:23 -0700 > > Ken Grant wrote: > > > > > Hello All: > > > > > > This may or may not be the best place to address this issue, but > > I > > > figure there are enough tech/educational experts here that someone is > > > bound to have encountered it. > > > > > > My problem: Our state, Wyoming, is converting all standardized > > testing > > > for compliance with the "No Child Left Behind" law to computers. > > > Starting in about six weeks, children in grades 3-8, and grade 11, > > will > > > be taking our state test online. The test is designed by the state > > but > > > admisistered through Harcourt Assessment. To ensure that students do > > > not have access to other parts of the computer they are working on, > > all > > > testing must be done with a "secure browser." To get the browser to > > > be secure a program called SiteKiosk is used. And you guessed > > > it, it only runs on Windows and sometimes Macs. > > > > > > At this point the state is still dealing with many tech issues, > > > including getting SiteKiosk to run on Macs. I've been assured by > > > people at the state level and at Harcourt Assessment that no testing > > has > > > been done with Linux. Since K12LTSP is being used by school districts > > > across the nation, this seems to me to be a terrible oversight. > > > > > > I realize that the bigger school districts have the funding for > > Windows > > > systems; however, we are a small Catholic school with very little > > > resources to invest in IT. K12LTSP is the only way we can get > > computers > > > in the classroom. > > > > > > All that said, have any of you been faced with a similar issue? > > If > > > so, how have you dealt with it? How many schools with K12LTSP are > > using > > > it as their only platform? > > > > > > I plan to make as much noise as possible with both the state and > > with > > > Harcourt so that this situation can be corrected, but in the meantime > > > any ideas on how to get SiteKiosk to run on Linux would be great. > > Does > > > anyone know if a Linux-based program exsists to make a browser > > secure? > > > > > > Thanks for reading my rant and for K12LTSP...it's an awesome OS! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Ken > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5452 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 16:09:57 2006 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:09:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Connecting to OSX Tiger Volumes In-Reply-To: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF012DC1FB@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> References: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF012DC1FB@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Message-ID: On 1/27/06, Selzler, Bruce wrote: > What I would really like to do is have OSX server LDAP and have the LTSP > workstations use that information to log each student on so they can > mount their OSX folders and work on the files they have stored there on > their own desktop. But I've had zero luck with that as well. Did you have a look at the directions in the wiki: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AIntegrateWithOSX Our home folders on the OS X machines, and I authenticate our LTSP server with the OS X server and our XP clients with the OS X server. A user can log in under Windows, OS X, or LTSP, and have the same Documents folder and Desktop (except I don't show the desktop with LTSP). -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://ryancollins.org/ Humor - http://rightfullyso.com/ From fdc31 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 27 15:14:40 2006 From: fdc31 at yahoo.com (dean c) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:14:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Help needed fdc31@yahoo.com Message-ID: <20060227151440.94425.qmail@web35413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My computer is Linux with Fedora Red Hat. How do I ascertain the installation of a Voice card? How do I make this thing do yahoo IM's? dean coonrod __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From accessys at smart.net Mon Feb 27 16:19:45 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:19:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Help needed fdc31@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <20060227151440.94425.qmail@web35413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060227151440.94425.qmail@web35413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, dean c wrote: > My computer is Linux with Fedora Red Hat. > How do I ascertain the installation of a > Voice card? How do I make this thing do > IM's? dean coonrod everything you ever wanted to know about speech on a linux machine can be found at http://leb.net/blinux/ Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From fdc31 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 27 16:37:16 2006 From: fdc31 at yahoo.com (dean c) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:37:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Help needed fdc31@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060227163716.83865.qmail@web35402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thank you very much. Sincerely, dean coonrod, fdc31 at yahoo.com --- Access Systems wrote: > On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, dean c wrote: > > > My computer is Linux with Fedora Red > Hat. > > How do I ascertain the installation of > a > > Voice card? How do I make this thing > do > > IM's? dean coonrod > > everything you ever wanted to know about speech on a > linux machine can be > found at http://leb.net/blinux/ > > > Bob > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see > http://expita.com/nomime.html > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a > little temporary > safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", > Benjamin Franklin > - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - - - - - - > ASCII Ribbon Campaign > accessBob > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail > accessys at smartnospam.net > NO MSWord docs in e-mail > Access Systems, engineers > NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* > access is a civil right > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL > and may be > privileged. They are intended ONLY for the > individual or entity named > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us Mon Feb 27 19:39:20 2006 From: JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us (Jeffrey Myers) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:39:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] GDM.conf Timed Login and setting up mulitple users Message-ID: <1249B1B01D2A444490F78C240418EA5401578C6B@dcedcf05.dccentral> Is there a way to edit the GDM.conf to specify multiple timed user login's? I have seen the documentation out there for KDM. Under the Auto Login with KDM, you specify the host and Auto Login. [X-ws004:0-Core] AutoLoginEnable=true AutoLogin=username Can you do this with the GDM.conf for timed login? I am trying to configure 3 different users with different profiles. I have edited the dhcpd.conf file to specify a static address to a specific MAC. That works great, but I just cant figure out how to edit the GDM.conf file. Thanks for your help group. JEFFREY M -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 20:08:50 2006 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:08:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Authenticating from and Mounting OSX Volumes In-Reply-To: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF0193EF67@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> References: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF0193EF67@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Message-ID: On 2/6/06, Selzler, Bruce wrote: > Does anyone have instructions for the reverse of this? Our OSX server > contains the users and the volumes. Can LTSP authenticate to OSX and > mount the user volumes? That is how we do it, LTSP NFS mounts the shares that contains the user's files and authenticates over LDAP. I wrote up instructions in the wiki on doing this: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AIntegrateWithOSX That should be enough to get you started. If you have any questions, let me know. For added fun you can set any XP machines to also authenticate to the OS X server. Once that's in place you can modify it so the users Documents folder shows up as My Documents on the XP machine. Then you users can use any OS X/Linux/XP desktop and have access to their documents automatically! -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://ryancollins.org/ Humor - http://rightfullyso.com/ From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Feb 27 20:38:10 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:38:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OSX home directories on a K12LTSP server? In-Reply-To: <43E29E35.4070102@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43E29E35.4070102@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44036332.9060403@mesd.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > Has anyone setup roaming profiles on Apple OSX clients stored on a > K12LTSP server? (i.e. Netatalk, NFS, or Samba?) Wanted to update this thread if anyone was interested in AFP roaming profiles on OS X mounted from a K12LTSP server w/ Netatalk, w/ users in OpenLDAP... Configure Netatalk server 1. Add uams_guest.so to AFPD_UAMLIST in /etc/atalk/netatalk.conf 2. Add share definition to /etc/atalk/AppleVolumes.default: /home Users cnidscheme:dbd Add required attributes to each LDAP user: 1. Add apple.schema to /etc/openldap/schema from: http://tinyurl.com/opgp6 2. Uncomment apple-user-homeDirectory attribute and restart openldap. 3. Add to each user, apple-user-homeurl with value: afp://hostname/Usersusername 4. Add to each user, apple-user-homeDirectory with value: /Network/Servers/hostname/Users/username Configure Mac OS X client 1. Open /Applications/Utilities/Directory Access 2. Select LDAPv3, check Enable if it isn't already, Configure... 3. New... 4. Server name: ldap.mesd.k12.or.us 5. Manual 6. Name the configuration 7. Change LDAP Mappings to RFC 2307 (Unix) 8. Set search base to dc=mydistrict,dc=k12,dc=or,dc=us (or similar) 9. Edit 10. Search & Mappings 11. Under Users, change the NFSHomeDirectory mapping from: homeDirectory to apple-user-homeDirectory 12. Under Users, click Add... 13. Select HomeDirectory, click OK 14. Add a mapping for HomeDirectory to apple-user-homeurl 15. Open /Applications/Utilities/NetInfo Manager 16. Click the lock to make changes 17. Select mount, click New 18. Add property name with value hostname:/Users 19. Add property dir with value /Network/Servers/ 20. Add property vfstype with value url 21. Add property opts with values: net url==afp://;AUTH-NO%20USER%20AUTHENT at hostname/Users 22. Reboot; alternatively you could reload the DirectoryService and the automounter on OS X... -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Mon Feb 27 21:44:58 2006 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:44:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying with LTSP--SOLVED In-Reply-To: <76B37BDE-B959-48FA-AEB7-D2D4F0637979@mindfirestudios.com> References: <43FDB057.6080203@independence.k12.ia.us> <43FDC145.4030803@cox.net> <43FDC5A7.5040009@msad3.org> <47AD5026-6CB0-42B4-B168-D2934A4EEFE7@independence.k12.ia.us> <43FDE2CA.80607@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <43FDEE74.9020309@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <397CD2A1-4793-4D1A-8ADF-D4E553FECD9B@independence.k12.ia.us> <774593a20602232321t68c8f027pbd857e7555a96007@mail.gmail.com> <76B37BDE-B959-48FA-AEB7-D2D4F0637979@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <440372DA.5030100@physics.isu.edu> > iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination > 192.168.1.1:3128 > iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to- > destination 192.168.1.1:3128 Burke Almquist wrote: > These lines even take care of access directly from the LTSP server, > it's a slightly simpler setup with a separate machine, but this works. > Just to clarify: My understanding is that the magic iptables transparent proxy lines will only work if the filter is on another computer, that is, you can't have the filter and the LTSP server on the same computer without some serious iptables voodoo. The reason for this is that the rule would also block your filter (squidguard, dansguardian) from fetching pages from the internet. The LTSP box can be directly connected to the Internet, but the filter can't be on the same computer for a transparent proxy setup. Is this correct? Thanks, Ben Ben From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Feb 27 22:30:30 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:30:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying with LTSP--SOLVED In-Reply-To: <440372DA.5030100@physics.isu.edu> References: <43FDB057.6080203@independence.k12.ia.us> < > <43FDC145.4030803@cox.net> <43FDC5A7.5040009@msad3.org> < > <47AD5026-6CB0-42B4-B168-D2934A4EEFE7@independence.k12.ia.us> < > <43FDE2CA.80607@rogueriver.k12.or.us> < > < > <43FDEE74.9020309@rogueriver.k12.or.us> < > <397CD2A1-4793-4D1A-8ADF-D4E553FECD9B@independence.k12.ia.us> < > <774593a20602232321t68c8f027pbd857e7555a96007@mail.gmail.com> < > <76B37BDE-B959-48FA-AEB7-D2D4F0637979@mindfirestudios.com> <440372DA.5030100@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, February 27, 2006 at 4:44 PM +0000 wrote: >The LTSP box can be directly connected to the Internet, but the filter >can't be on the same computer for a transparent proxy setup. > >Is this correct? No this is not correct....although I'm using an SME server for my filter and transproxy....(www.contribs.org)....I have both on the same box. Transparent proxy can only work if the server it's running on is at the "choke point" of the network AFAIK. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Feb 28 01:13:00 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:13:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying with LTSP--SOLVED In-Reply-To: References: <43FDB057.6080203@independence.k12.ia.us> < > <43FDC145.4030803@cox.net> <43FDC5A7.5040009@msad3.org> < > <47AD5026-6CB0-42B4-B168-D2934A4EEFE7@independence.k12.ia.us> < > <43FDE2CA.80607@rogueriver.k12.or.us> < > < > <43FDEE74.9020309@rogueriver.k12.or.us> < > <397CD2A1-4793-4D1A-8ADF-D4E553FECD9B@independence.k12.ia.us> < > <774593a20602232321t68c8f027pbd857e7555a96007@mail.gmail.com> < > <76B37BDE-B959-48FA-AEB7-D2D4F0637979@mindfirestudios.com> <440372DA.5030100@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <35698.70.33.151.214.1141089180.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Are you sure yuo have a transparent proxy if you have to alter every browser on your network?cause far as i can tell you can proxy-auth to squid or do transparnet proxy but not both.. > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, February 27, 2006 at 4:44 PM +0000 wrote: >>The LTSP box can be directly connected to the Internet, but the filter >>can't be on the same computer for a transparent proxy setup. >> >>Is this correct? > > > No this is not correct....although I'm using an SME server for my filter > and transproxy....(www.contribs.org)....I have both on the same box. > Transparent proxy can only work if the server it's running on is at the > "choke point" of the network AFAIK. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Tue Feb 28 02:30:44 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:30:44 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB and printing problems Message-ID: <4403B5D4.9050005@orcon.net.nz> I am having problems printing to printers attached to windows computers on the network. Behind this problem seems to be some SMB inconsistencies. When I go to Nautilus or Konqueror I can correctly browse all the computers and shares in the workgroup. But when I type findsmb from the command line I can only see k12ltsp, office and one teacher's laptop is shown 4 times. It shows twice for each ip address (wireless and wired). My laptop is not shown and one other teachers laptop is not shown although they show fine in nautilus. When I go to set up a printer using printconfig-gui I try to browse for my laptop but it is not shown. Only the ones shown by findsmb are listed. I tried entering the share info directly by that didn't work either. I can ping my computer because I have listed it in etc/hosts I cannot ping any other computers by name even though they are listed under findsmb. When I type smbstatus my computer is listed but it says $IPC whereas the other computers say School Int before it. I am not sure if that is relevant or not. Hope someone can point me in the right direction to try to work this out. I am using K12ltsp 4.2.1 From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Feb 28 02:57:39 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:57:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing In-Reply-To: <1141054635.44031cab1835b@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> References: <20060226114523.6b39b8bb@localhost> <20060227064617.17be6397@localhost> <1141054227.8934.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1141054635.44031cab1835b@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> Message-ID: <1141095460.7983.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mark, Most web-based applications now are browser independent. Again, PowerSchool (works in IE, Safari, Opera, Firefox.....). -Paul On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 10:37 -0500, mark at ehle.homelinux.org wrote: > That's fine as long as you get them to make web-based applications that run on > ALL browsers instead of just IE. > > Mark E. > > Quoting Paul VanGundy : > > > All, > > > > Generally speaking, the only way to ensure that you get platform > > independent programs/applications is to go web-based. I've really > > encouraged our state to start focusing on web-based testing and > > applications because that really is the only way to be platform > > independent. Besides, it's generally less expensive (both labor and > > time) to create a web-based application versus creating a Windows > > executable and the numerous install options Linux offers > > (.deb, .rpm, .bin, .tar.gz, etc...) and the Mac .sit file. About a week > > and a half ago I was on here talking about PowerSchool and how it's > > web-based (as is Centre...I don't want to go there again. :)) and how > > because it is web-based we aren't tied down to one operating system on > > our client side. We can use Macs, Windows, and Linux clients to view our > > student information system database. In my humble opinion, web-based is > > the way to go if your district and state can go that route. > > > > -Paul > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 06:46 -0700, Ken Grant wrote: > > > Hi: > > > > > > Thanks for all your wonderful responses! It is good to know, in a > > > bizzare sort of way, that other states have tried and failed at > > > implementing testing in this way. > > > > > > I'm going to talk to anyone I can at Harcourt and the state to make > > > sure that all platforms are considered when implementing this type of > > > testing. > > > > > > Bandwidth issues were mentioned and the public schools in Wyoming are > > > having a devil of a time with this issue. The whole thing has been > > > poorly thought out and implemented. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Ken > > > > > > On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:45:23 -0700 > > > Ken Grant wrote: > > > > > > > Hello All: > > > > > > > > This may or may not be the best place to address this issue, but > > > I > > > > figure there are enough tech/educational experts here that someone is > > > > bound to have encountered it. > > > > > > > > My problem: Our state, Wyoming, is converting all standardized > > > testing > > > > for compliance with the "No Child Left Behind" law to computers. > > > > Starting in about six weeks, children in grades 3-8, and grade 11, > > > will > > > > be taking our state test online. The test is designed by the state > > > but > > > > admisistered through Harcourt Assessment. To ensure that students do > > > > not have access to other parts of the computer they are working on, > > > all > > > > testing must be done with a "secure browser." To get the browser to > > > > be secure a program called SiteKiosk is used. And you guessed > > > > it, it only runs on Windows and sometimes Macs. > > > > > > > > At this point the state is still dealing with many tech issues, > > > > including getting SiteKiosk to run on Macs. I've been assured by > > > > people at the state level and at Harcourt Assessment that no testing > > > has > > > > been done with Linux. Since K12LTSP is being used by school districts > > > > across the nation, this seems to me to be a terrible oversight. > > > > > > > > I realize that the bigger school districts have the funding for > > > Windows > > > > systems; however, we are a small Catholic school with very little > > > > resources to invest in IT. K12LTSP is the only way we can get > > > computers > > > > in the classroom. > > > > > > > > All that said, have any of you been faced with a similar issue? > > > If > > > > so, how have you dealt with it? How many schools with K12LTSP are > > > using > > > > it as their only platform? > > > > > > > > I plan to make as much noise as possible with both the state and > > > with > > > > Harcourt so that this situation can be corrected, but in the meantime > > > > any ideas on how to get SiteKiosk to run on Linux would be great. > > > Does > > > > anyone know if a Linux-based program exsists to make a browser > > > secure? > > > > > > > > Thanks for reading my rant and for K12LTSP...it's an awesome OS! > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > -- > > Paul VanGundy > > Information Technology Director > > Epping High School > > Epping Middle School > > P: 603.679.5452 > > F: 603.679.2966 > > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > Registered Linux User #398783 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5452 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 From haysja at sages.us Tue Feb 28 03:08:55 2006 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:08:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing In-Reply-To: <1141095460.7983.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060226114523.6b39b8bb@localhost> <20060227064617.17be6397@localhost> <1141054227.8934.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1141054635.44031cab1835b@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> <1141095460.7983.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1141096135.4403bec78f334@sages.us> Paul That's not exactly true. I have run into many web aps that will only run with IE and not with Firefox, etc. I try to avoid such sites but you can't always do that. It is very frustrating at times. Quoting Paul VanGundy : > Mark, > > Most web-based applications now are browser independent. Again, > PowerSchool (works in IE, Safari, Opera, Firefox.....). > > -Paul > > On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 10:37 -0500, mark at ehle.homelinux.org wrote: > > That's fine as long as you get them to make web-based applications that run > on > > ALL browsers instead of just IE. > > > > Mark E. > > > > Quoting Paul VanGundy : > > > > > All, > > > > > > Generally speaking, the only way to ensure that you get platform > > > independent programs/applications is to go web-based. I've really > > > encouraged our state to start focusing on web-based testing and > > > applications because that really is the only way to be platform > > > independent. Besides, it's generally less expensive (both labor and > > > time) to create a web-based application versus creating a Windows > > > executable and the numerous install options Linux offers > > > (.deb, .rpm, .bin, .tar.gz, etc...) and the Mac .sit file. About a week > > > and a half ago I was on here talking about PowerSchool and how it's > > > web-based (as is Centre...I don't want to go there again. :)) and how > > > because it is web-based we aren't tied down to one operating system on > > > our client side. We can use Macs, Windows, and Linux clients to view > our > > > student information system database. In my humble opinion, web-based is > > > the way to go if your district and state can go that route. > > > > > > -Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 06:46 -0700, Ken Grant wrote: > > > > Hi: > > > > > > > > Thanks for all your wonderful responses! It is good to know, in a > > > > bizzare sort of way, that other states have tried and failed at > > > > implementing testing in this way. > > > > > > > > I'm going to talk to anyone I can at Harcourt and the state to make > > > > sure that all platforms are considered when implementing this type of > > > > testing. > > > > > > > > Bandwidth issues were mentioned and the public schools in Wyoming > are > > > > having a devil of a time with this issue. The whole thing has been > > > > poorly thought out and implemented. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:45:23 -0700 > > > > Ken Grant wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello All: > > > > > > > > > > This may or may not be the best place to address this issue, but > > > > I > > > > > figure there are enough tech/educational experts here that someone > is > > > > > bound to have encountered it. > > > > > > > > > > My problem: Our state, Wyoming, is converting all standardized > > > > testing > > > > > for compliance with the "No Child Left Behind" law to computers. > > > > > Starting in about six weeks, children in grades 3-8, and grade 11, > > > > will > > > > > be taking our state test online. The test is designed by the state > > > > but > > > > > admisistered through Harcourt Assessment. To ensure that students > do > > > > > not have access to other parts of the computer they are working on, > > > > all > > > > > testing must be done with a "secure browser." To get the browser to > > > > > be secure a program called SiteKiosk is used. And you guessed > > > > > it, it only runs on Windows and sometimes Macs. > > > > > > > > > > At this point the state is still dealing with many tech issues, > > > > > including getting SiteKiosk to run on Macs. I've been assured by > > > > > people at the state level and at Harcourt Assessment that no > testing > > > > has > > > > > been done with Linux. Since K12LTSP is being used by school > districts > > > > > across the nation, this seems to me to be a terrible oversight. > > > > > > > > > > I realize that the bigger school districts have the funding for > > > > Windows > > > > > systems; however, we are a small Catholic school with very little > > > > > resources to invest in IT. K12LTSP is the only way we can get > > > > computers > > > > > in the classroom. > > > > > > > > > > All that said, have any of you been faced with a similar issue? > > > > If > > > > > so, how have you dealt with it? How many schools with K12LTSP are > > > > using > > > > > it as their only platform? > > > > > > > > > > I plan to make as much noise as possible with both the state and > > > > with > > > > > Harcourt so that this situation can be corrected, but in the > meantime > > > > > any ideas on how to get SiteKiosk to run on Linux would be great. > > > > Does > > > > > anyone know if a Linux-based program exsists to make a browser > > > > secure? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for reading my rant and for K12LTSP...it's an awesome OS! > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > -- > > > Paul VanGundy > > > Information Technology Director > > > Epping High School > > > Epping Middle School > > > P: 603.679.5452 > > > F: 603.679.2966 > > > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > > Registered Linux User #398783 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5452 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From gumprechtm at msad3.org Tue Feb 28 11:27:37 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:27:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying with LTSP--SOLVED In-Reply-To: References: <43FDB057.6080203@independence.k12.ia.us> < > <43FDC145.4030803@cox.net> <43FDC5A7.5040009@msad3.org> < > <47AD5026-6CB0-42B4-B168-D2934A4EEFE7@independence.k12.ia.us> < > <43FDE2CA.80607@rogueriver.k12.or.us> < > < > <43FDEE74.9020309@rogueriver.k12.or.us> < > <397CD2A1-4793-4D1A-8ADF-D4E553FECD9B@independence.k12.ia.us> < > <774593a20602232321t68c8f027pbd857e7555a96007@mail.gmail.com> < > <76B37BDE-B959-48FA-AEB7-D2D4F0637979@mindfirestudios.com> <440372DA.5030100@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <440433A9.5050605@msad3.org> The setup I have been running for a while is a 1 nic card setup with squid. I have a sonic wall at this point and still use an external DHCP for addressing. I use the sonic wall to forward to the DMZ to port 3128. All web traffic is re-routed to the squid and back again (transparent). I have forwarded for headers turned on in squid so that when people override the bess filter, it is only for the machine they are on, not the whole network. I had to work with MSLN on the forwarded for headers (provider), they just needed to allow them. I'm currently incorporating dansguardian into the setup. I would like to get dhcrelay working and can the sonic wall altogether, or swap the whole network (1024 subnet) over to it's own DHCP HTH Mark David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Monday, February 27, 2006 at 4:44 PM +0000 wrote: > > >>The LTSP box can be directly connected to the Internet, but the filter >>can't be on the same computer for a transparent proxy setup. >> >>Is this correct? >> >> > > >No this is not correct....although I'm using an SME server for my filter >and transproxy....(www.contribs.org)....I have both on the same box. >Transparent proxy can only work if the server it's running on is at the >"choke point" of the network AFAIK. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Director >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org Tue Feb 28 12:43:33 2006 From: mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org (Mark Goodridge) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:43:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing In-Reply-To: <20060226114523.6b39b8bb@localhost> References: <20060226114523.6b39b8bb@localhost> Message-ID: <44044575.1040800@chelseaeagles.org> Ken Grant wrote: > Hello All: > > > My problem: Our state, Wyoming, is converting all standardized testing > for compliance with the "No Child Left Behind" law to computers. > Starting in about six weeks, children in grades 3-8, and grade 11, will > be taking our state test online. The test is designed by the state but > admisistered through Harcourt Assessment. To ensure that students do > not have access to other parts of the computer they are working on, all > testing must be done with a "secure browser." To get the browser to > be secure a program called SiteKiosk is used. And you guessed > it, it only runs on Windows and sometimes Macs. Ken, Maine is going through a somewhat similar program. The state Department of Education is trying to convert our Maine Educational Assessment (MEA) test to an on-line format. How can I say this delicately? It's been a disaster. I don't have an insiders view of the problems (I'm one of the "customers," a computer tech in a small, rural elementary school) but I suspect that a large part of the blame lies with the good bureaucrats at in the state government who wrote the goals for the contract. Our state government has a poor record when it comes to designing and implementing IT programs. If this project is going to be jammed down your throat with no option but to comply, then you have my entire sympathy. The saving grace here in Maine is that the program is voluntary. After three years, most of the schools have opted out. The sad part is that we do a different on-line testing program (NWEA) in our district twice a year. No fuss, no hassle, runs on everything I can boot up, no technical problems at all after the first year. -- Mark Goodridge The Computer Guy Chelsea Elementary School From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Feb 28 13:56:44 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:56:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying with LTSP--SOLVED In-Reply-To: <440433A9.5050605@msad3.org> References: <43FDB057.6080203@independence.k12.ia.us> < > < > < > <43FDC145.4030803@cox.net> <43FDC5A7.5040009@msad3.org> < > < > < > <47AD5026-6CB0-42B4-B168-D2934A4EEFE7@independence.k12.ia.us> < > < > < > <43FDE2CA.80607@rogueriver.k12.or.us> < > < > < > < > < > < > <43FDEE74.9020309@rogueriver.k12.or.us> < > < > < > <397CD2A1-4793-4D1A-8ADF-D4E553FECD9B@independence.k12.ia.us> < > < > < > <774593a20602232321t68c8f027pbd857e7555a96007@mail.gmail.com> < > < > < > <76B37BDE-B959-48FA-AEB7-D2D4F0637979@mindfirestudios.com> < > <440372DA.5030100@physics.isu.edu> < > <440433A9.5050605@msad3.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 at 6:27 AM +0000 wrote: >The setup I have been running for a while is a 1 nic card setup with >squid. I have a sonic wall at this point and still use an external DHCP >for addressing. I use the sonic wall to forward to the DMZ to port 3128. >All web traffic is re-routed to the squid and back again (transparent). >I have forwarded for headers turned on in squid so that when people >override the bess filter, it is only for the machine they are on, not >the whole network. I had to work with MSLN on the forwarded for headers >(provider), they just needed to allow them. I'm currently incorporating >dansguardian into the setup. I would like to get dhcrelay working and >can the sonic wall altogether, or swap the whole network (1024 subnet) >over to it's own DHCP >HTH >Mark Mark...sounds like the setup I have will work perfect for you....and it's a cinch to set up. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Feb 28 14:22:11 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:22:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing In-Reply-To: <1141095460.7983.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060226114523.6b39b8bb@localhost> < > <20060227064617.17be6397@localhost> < > <1141054227.8934.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <1141054635.44031cab1835b@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> <1141095460.7983.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: What we've found in Maine is that not all web-based apps are created equal. This is primarily because many companies are LAZY and thus choose to make a web app that requires Active X or some other proprietary plug-in just to work. So, yes, they can tout it as web-based.....but......only with IE...or whatever. Maine has a student information database called MEDMS (Maine Educational Data Management System).....in which all students are entered thus making online testing, Federal child count....etc.....much easier (supposedly). In fact, when one kid moves to another school in-state....a simple change is made in the database and their record is reassigned to the other school. Anyway....this project has been long in development and in the beginning is was an abyssmal failure due to the company they contracted with initially developing everything using Windows tools and thus making it so it would only be supoported with IE. Well.....the shit hit the fan when many of us (primarily Mac and Linux schools) went nuts! What the hell were we supposed to do? In the end the company relented and agreed to port it to any 128bit capable browser. Anyway....next thing we know...the "Windows" company can't deliver the product (after millions had been sunk into it) so the State pulls out and is now working with someone else (or developing in-house...not totally sure). Now it's online and working (yes it has bugs, but not big ones). AND...it works with most if not all browsers. Maine also works with a company called Measured Progress for the MEA online testing. This is another case of silly ideas and poor planning. At least in Maine we have a choice whether or not to use paper tests or online. We choose paper as it's too high stakes to risk it. The MEA uses a Java based TDS (Test Delivery Server) at each location that supposedly talks to the primary server at Measured Progress...along with a Java client (using Java Web Start). Problem is that there are way too many points of failure. Computers that sleep, (Students that sleep), broken connections between the TDS and the client, broken connections between the TDS and Measured Progress....etc. Thus we've had some tests that were never recorded.....etc. What I don't understand is why we can't use something similar to Moodle to deliver tests? Worried about server overload? Assign one server to "x" schools.....or schedule the test so everyone isn't taking it at once. There are a myriad of things that could be done in that manner. PHP, Perl, MySQL....have any of these testing folks ever heard of this stuff? !!! (Can anyone tell I'm pissed?) *Stepping off soapbox* vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Monday, February 27, 2006 at 9:57 PM +0000 wrote: >Mark, > >Most web-based applications now are browser independent. Again, >PowerSchool (works in IE, Safari, Opera, Firefox.....). > >-Paul > >On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 10:37 -0500, mark at ehle.homelinux.org wrote: >> That's fine as long as you get them to make web-based applications that >run on >> ALL browsers instead of just IE. >> >> Mark E. >> >> Quoting Paul VanGundy : >> >> > All, >> > >> > Generally speaking, the only way to ensure that you get platform >> > independent programs/applications is to go web-based. I've really >> > encouraged our state to start focusing on web-based testing and >> > applications because that really is the only way to be platform >> > independent. Besides, it's generally less expensive (both labor and >> > time) to create a web-based application versus creating a Windows >> > executable and the numerous install options Linux offers >> > (.deb, .rpm, .bin, .tar.gz, etc...) and the Mac .sit file. About a >week >> > and a half ago I was on here talking about PowerSchool and how it's >> > web-based (as is Centre...I don't want to go there again. :)) and how >> > because it is web-based we aren't tied down to one operating system on >> > our client side. We can use Macs, Windows, and Linux clients to view >our >> > student information system database. In my humble opinion, web-based >is >> > the way to go if your district and state can go that route. >> > >> > -Paul >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 06:46 -0700, Ken Grant wrote: >> > > Hi: >> > > >> > > Thanks for all your wonderful responses! It is good to know, in a >> > > bizzare sort of way, that other states have tried and failed at >> > > implementing testing in this way. >> > > >> > > I'm going to talk to anyone I can at Harcourt and the state to make >> > > sure that all platforms are considered when implementing this type >of >> > > testing. >> > > >> > > Bandwidth issues were mentioned and the public schools in Wyoming >are >> > > having a devil of a time with this issue. The whole thing has been >> > > poorly thought out and implemented. >> > > >> > > Cheers, >> > > Ken >> > > >> > > On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:45:23 -0700 >> > > Ken Grant wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hello All: >> > > > >> > > > This may or may not be the best place to address this issue, but >> > > I >> > > > figure there are enough tech/educational experts here that >someone is >> > > > bound to have encountered it. >> > > > >> > > > My problem: Our state, Wyoming, is converting all standardized >> > > testing >> > > > for compliance with the "No Child Left Behind" law to computers. >> > > > Starting in about six weeks, children in grades 3-8, and grade 11, >> > > will >> > > > be taking our state test online. The test is designed by the >state >> > > but >> > > > admisistered through Harcourt Assessment. To ensure that >students do >> > > > not have access to other parts of the computer they are working >on, >> > > all >> > > > testing must be done with a "secure browser." To get the browser >to >> > > > be secure a program called SiteKiosk is used. And you guessed >> > > > it, it only runs on Windows and sometimes Macs. >> > > > >> > > > At this point the state is still dealing with many tech issues, >> > > > including getting SiteKiosk to run on Macs. I've been assured by >> > > > people at the state level and at Harcourt Assessment that no >testing >> > > has >> > > > been done with Linux. Since K12LTSP is being used by school >districts >> > > > across the nation, this seems to me to be a terrible oversight. >> > > > >> > > > I realize that the bigger school districts have the funding for >> > > Windows >> > > > systems; however, we are a small Catholic school with very little >> > > > resources to invest in IT. K12LTSP is the only way we can get >> > > computers >> > > > in the classroom. >> > > > >> > > > All that said, have any of you been faced with a similar issue? >> > > If >> > > > so, how have you dealt with it? How many schools with K12LTSP are >> > > using >> > > > it as their only platform? >> > > > >> > > > I plan to make as much noise as possible with both the state and >> > > with >> > > > Harcourt so that this situation can be corrected, but in the >meantime >> > > > any ideas on how to get SiteKiosk to run on Linux would be great. >> > > Does >> > > > anyone know if a Linux-based program exsists to make a browser >> > > secure? >> > > > >> > > > Thanks for reading my rant and for K12LTSP...it's an awesome OS! >> > > > >> > > > Cheers, >> > > > Ken >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > K12OSN mailing list >> > > > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > > > For more info see >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > K12OSN mailing list >> > > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > > For more info see >> > -- >> > Paul VanGundy >> > Information Technology Director >> > Epping High School >> > Epping Middle School >> > P: 603.679.5452 >> > F: 603.679.2966 >> > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us >> > Registered Linux User #398783 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >-- >Paul VanGundy >Information Technology Director >Epping High School >Epping Middle School >P: 603.679.5452 >F: 603.679.2966 >vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us >Registered Linux User #398783 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From gumprechtm at msad3.org Tue Feb 28 14:27:53 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:27:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying with LTSP--SOLVED In-Reply-To: References: <43FDB057.6080203@independence.k12.ia.us> < > < > < > <43FDC145.4030803@cox.net> <43FDC5A7.5040009@msad3.org> < > < > < > <47AD5026-6CB0-42B4-B168-D2934A4EEFE7@independence.k12.ia.us> < > < > < > <43FDE2CA.80607@rogueriver.k12.or.us> < > < > < > < > < > < > <43FDEE74.9020309@rogueriver.k12.or.us> < > < > < > <397CD2A1-4793-4D1A-8ADF-D4E553FECD9B@independence.k12.ia.us> < > < > < > <774593a20602232321t68c8f027pbd857e7555a96007@mail.gmail.com> < > < > < > <76B37BDE-B959-48FA-AEB7-D2D4F0637979@mindfirestudios.com> < > <440372DA.5030100@physics.isu.edu> < > <440433A9.5050605@msad3.org> Message-ID: <44045DE9.5000200@msad3.org> Do tell. I tried ipcop and sme but the need for 2 nics through me and I tried to get dhcrelay to work in ipcop, but I'm not good enough with IPTables to not screw it up. Mark David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Tuesday, February 28, 2006 at 6:27 AM +0000 wrote: > > >>The setup I have been running for a while is a 1 nic card setup with >>squid. I have a sonic wall at this point and still use an external DHCP >>for addressing. I use the sonic wall to forward to the DMZ to port 3128. >>All web traffic is re-routed to the squid and back again (transparent). >>I have forwarded for headers turned on in squid so that when people >>override the bess filter, it is only for the machine they are on, not >>the whole network. I had to work with MSLN on the forwarded for headers >>(provider), they just needed to allow them. I'm currently incorporating >>dansguardian into the setup. I would like to get dhcrelay working and >>can the sonic wall altogether, or swap the whole network (1024 subnet) >>over to it's own DHCP >>HTH >>Mark >> >> > >Mark...sounds like the setup I have will work perfect for you....and it's >a cinch to set up. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Director >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Feb 28 15:04:00 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:04:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying with LTSP--SOLVED In-Reply-To: <44045DE9.5000200@msad3.org> References: <43FDB057.6080203@independence.k12.ia.us> < > < > < > < > < > <43FDC145.4030803@cox.net> <43FDC5A7.5040009@msad3.org> < > < > < > < > < > <47AD5026-6CB0-42B4-B168-D2934A4EEFE7@independence.k12.ia.us> < > < > < > < > < > <43FDE2CA.80607@rogueriver.k12.or.us> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <43FDEE74.9020309@rogueriver.k12.or.us> < > < > < > < > < > <397CD2A1-4793-4D1A-8ADF-D4E553FECD9B@independence.k12.ia.us> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <774593a20602232321t68c8f027pbd857e7555a96007@mail.gmail.com> < > < > < > < > < > < > <76B37BDE-B959-48FA-AEB7-D2D4F0637979@mindfirestudios.com> < > < > < > <440372DA.5030100@physics.isu.edu> < > < > < > < > <440433A9.5050605@msad3.org> < > <44045DE9.5000200@msad3.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 at 9:27 AM +0000 wrote: >Do tell. I tried ipcop and sme but the need for 2 nics through me and I >tried to get dhcrelay to work in ipcop, but I'm not good enough with >IPTables to not screw it up. >Mark The idea for two NIC's is that it sits at the choke point of your network and becomes the firewall/proxy/content filter (and DHCP server if you wish). You can also have it tag your SPAM and filter all traffic with anti-virus. One NIC is the external interface going to the Internet and the other is the internal interface going to the LAN. Cool thing is...you get rock-solid security and it's next to impossible to bypass. I know of a lot of schools who have used E-Smith/SME to get rid of SonicWalls. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From gumprechtm at msad3.org Tue Feb 28 15:13:45 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:13:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] transparent proxying with LTSP--SOLVED In-Reply-To: References: <43FDB057.6080203@independence.k12.ia.us> < > < > < > < > < > <43FDC145.4030803@cox.net> <43FDC5A7.5040009@msad3.org> < > < > < > < > < > <47AD5026-6CB0-42B4-B168-D2934A4EEFE7@independence.k12.ia.us> < > < > < > < > < > <43FDE2CA.80607@rogueriver.k12.or.us> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <43FDEE74.9020309@rogueriver.k12.or.us> < > < > < > < > < > <397CD2A1-4793-4D1A-8ADF-D4E553FECD9B@independence.k12.ia.us> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <774593a20602232321t68c8f027pbd857e7555a96007@mail.gmail.com> < > < > < > < > < > < > <76B37BDE-B959-48FA-AEB7-D2D4F0637979@mindfirestudios.com> < > < > < > <440372DA.5030100@physics.isu.edu> < > < > < > < > <440433A9.5050605@msad3.org> < > <44045DE9.5000200@msad3.org> Message-ID: <440468A9.4030605@msad3.org> So I take it sme will pass dhcp requests? Mark David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Tuesday, February 28, 2006 at 9:27 AM +0000 wrote: > > >>Do tell. I tried ipcop and sme but the need for 2 nics through me and I >>tried to get dhcrelay to work in ipcop, but I'm not good enough with >>IPTables to not screw it up. >>Mark >> >> > >The idea for two NIC's is that it sits at the choke point of your network >and becomes the firewall/proxy/content filter (and DHCP server if you >wish). You can also have it tag your SPAM and filter all traffic with >anti-virus. One NIC is the external interface going to the Internet and >the other is the internal interface going to the LAN. Cool thing is...you >get rock-solid security and it's next to impossible to bypass. I know of >a lot of schools who have used E-Smith/SME to get rid of SonicWalls. > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Director >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From petre at maltzen.net Tue Feb 28 15:28:13 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:28:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update failing on libopenal Message-ID: <44046C0D.4080508@maltzen.net> When I run 'yum update' on my K12 4.4.1 box, I get the following error: ... ---> Package openal.i386 0:0.0.9-0.3.20060226cvs.fc4 set to be updated ... --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libopenal.so.0 for package: blender --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Missing Dependency: libopenal.so.0 is needed by package blender But libopenal.so.0 IS installed, so I'm not sure why it says it's missing. Frankly, I don't need blender on this box, but running 'rpm -e blender' gives an error saying it's needed by k12ltsp-education-4.4.0-2.noarch. Anyone know what's going on here? Petre From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Tue Feb 28 15:06:07 2006 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:06:07 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20SMB=20=20and=20printing?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20problems?= Message-ID: Are all the computers that you want to reach are all in the same broadcast network? Are there any routers or firewalls setup between them? The fact that you cannot ping them by name may only be a name resolution problem, can you ping them by IP? >>> krsnendu at orcon.net.nz 2006-02-27 21:30:44 >>> I am having problems printing to printers attached to windows computers on the network. Behind this problem seems to be some SMB inconsistencies. When I go to Nautilus or Konqueror I can correctly browse all the computers and shares in the workgroup. But when I type findsmb from the command line I can only see k12ltsp, office and one teacher's laptop is shown 4 times. It shows twice for each ip address (wireless and wired). My laptop is not shown and one other teachers laptop is not shown although they show fine in nautilus. When I go to set up a printer using printconfig-gui I try to browse for my laptop but it is not shown. Only the ones shown by findsmb are listed. I tried entering the share info directly by that didn't work either. I can ping my computer because I have listed it in etc/hosts I cannot ping any other computers by name even though they are listed under findsmb. When I type smbstatus my computer is listed but it says $IPC whereas the other computers say School Int before it. I am not sure if that is relevant or not. Hope someone can point me in the right direction to try to work this out. 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Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Feb 28 15:55:38 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:55:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200602281630.k1SGUhHJ018899@mx1.redhat.com> Dave, You sound a bit bitter...;) -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -----Original Message----- From: David Trask [mailto:dtrask at vcsvikings.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 9:22 AM To: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Cc: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] State Testing What we've found in Maine is that not all web-based apps are created equal. This is primarily because many companies are LAZY and thus choose to make a web app that requires Active X or some other proprietary plug-in just to work. So, yes, they can tout it as web-based.....but......only with IE...or whatever. Maine has a student information database called MEDMS (Maine Educational Data Management System).....in which all students are entered thus making online testing, Federal child count....etc.....much easier (supposedly). In fact, when one kid moves to another school in-state....a simple change is made in the database and their record is reassigned to the other school. Anyway....this project has been long in development and in the beginning is was an abyssmal failure due to the company they contracted with initially developing everything using Windows tools and thus making it so it would only be supoported with IE. Well.....the shit hit the fan when many of us (primarily Mac and Linux schools) went nuts! What the hell were we supposed to do? In the end the company relented and agreed to port it to any 128bit capable browser. Anyway....next thing we know...the "Windows" company can't deliver the product (after millions had been sunk into it) so the State pulls out and is now working with someone else (or developing in-house...not totally sure). Now it's online and working (yes it has bugs, but not big ones). AND...it works with most if not all browsers. Maine also works with a company called Measured Progress for the MEA online testing. This is another case of silly ideas and poor planning. At least in Maine we have a choice whether or not to use paper tests or online. We choose paper as it's too high stakes to risk it. The MEA uses a Java based TDS (Test Delivery Server) at each location that supposedly talks to the primary server at Measured Progress...along with a Java client (using Java Web Start). Problem is that there are way too many points of failure. Computers that sleep, (Students that sleep), broken connections between the TDS and the client, broken connections between the TDS and Measured Progress....etc. Thus we've had some tests that were never recorded.....etc. What I don't understand is why we can't use something similar to Moodle to deliver tests? Worried about server overload? Assign one server to "x" schools.....or schedule the test so everyone isn't taking it at once. There are a myriad of things that could be done in that manner. PHP, Perl, MySQL....have any of these testing folks ever heard of this stuff? !!! (Can anyone tell I'm pissed?) *Stepping off soapbox* vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Monday, February 27, 2006 at 9:57 PM +0000 wrote: >Mark, > >Most web-based applications now are browser independent. Again, >PowerSchool (works in IE, Safari, Opera, Firefox.....). > >-Paul > >On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 10:37 -0500, mark at ehle.homelinux.org wrote: >> That's fine as long as you get them to make web-based applications >> that >run on >> ALL browsers instead of just IE. >> >> Mark E. >> >> Quoting Paul VanGundy : >> >> > All, >> > >> > Generally speaking, the only way to ensure that you get platform >> > independent programs/applications is to go web-based. I've really >> > encouraged our state to start focusing on web-based testing and >> > applications because that really is the only way to be platform >> > independent. Besides, it's generally less expensive (both labor and >> > time) to create a web-based application versus creating a Windows >> > executable and the numerous install options Linux offers (.deb, >> > .rpm, .bin, .tar.gz, etc...) and the Mac .sit file. About a >week >> > and a half ago I was on here talking about PowerSchool and how it's >> > web-based (as is Centre...I don't want to go there again. :)) and >> > how because it is web-based we aren't tied down to one operating >> > system on our client side. We can use Macs, Windows, and Linux >> > clients to view >our >> > student information system database. In my humble opinion, >> > web-based >is >> > the way to go if your district and state can go that route. >> > >> > -Paul >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 06:46 -0700, Ken Grant wrote: >> > > Hi: >> > > >> > > Thanks for all your wonderful responses! It is good to know, in >> > > a bizzare sort of way, that other states have tried and failed at >> > > implementing testing in this way. >> > > >> > > I'm going to talk to anyone I can at Harcourt and the state to >> > > make sure that all platforms are considered when implementing >> > > this type >of >> > > testing. >> > > >> > > Bandwidth issues were mentioned and the public schools in >> > > Wyoming >are >> > > having a devil of a time with this issue. The whole thing has >> > > been poorly thought out and implemented. >> > > >> > > Cheers, >> > > Ken >> > > >> > > On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:45:23 -0700 Ken Grant >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hello All: >> > > > >> > > > This may or may not be the best place to address this issue, >> > > > but >> > > I >> > > > figure there are enough tech/educational experts here that >someone is >> > > > bound to have encountered it. >> > > > >> > > > My problem: Our state, Wyoming, is converting all standardized >> > > testing >> > > > for compliance with the "No Child Left Behind" law to computers. >> > > > Starting in about six weeks, children in grades 3-8, and grade >> > > > 11, >> > > will >> > > > be taking our state test online. The test is designed by the >state >> > > but >> > > > admisistered through Harcourt Assessment. To ensure that >students do >> > > > not have access to other parts of the computer they are working >on, >> > > all >> > > > testing must be done with a "secure browser." To get the >> > > > browser >to >> > > > be secure a program called SiteKiosk is used. And you guessed >> > > > it, it only runs on Windows and sometimes Macs. >> > > > >> > > > At this point the state is still dealing with many tech >> > > > issues, including getting SiteKiosk to run on Macs. I've been >> > > > assured by people at the state level and at Harcourt Assessment >> > > > that no >testing >> > > has >> > > > been done with Linux. Since K12LTSP is being used by school >districts >> > > > across the nation, this seems to me to be a terrible oversight. >> > > > >> > > > I realize that the bigger school districts have the funding >> > > > for >> > > Windows >> > > > systems; however, we are a small Catholic school with very >> > > > little resources to invest in IT. K12LTSP is the only way we >> > > > can get >> > > computers >> > > > in the classroom. >> > > > >> > > > All that said, have any of you been faced with a similar issue? >> > > If >> > > > so, how have you dealt with it? How many schools with K12LTSP >> > > > are >> > > using >> > > > it as their only platform? >> > > > >> > > > I plan to make as much noise as possible with both the state >> > > > and >> > > with >> > > > Harcourt so that this situation can be corrected, but in the >meantime >> > > > any ideas on how to get SiteKiosk to run on Linux would be great. >> > > Does >> > > > anyone know if a Linux-based program exsists to make a browser >> > > secure? >> > > > >> > > > Thanks for reading my rant and for K12LTSP...it's an awesome OS! >> > > > >> > > > Cheers, >> > > > Ken >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > K12OSN mailing list >> > > > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > > > For more info see >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > K12OSN mailing list >> > > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > > For more info see >> > -- >> > Paul VanGundy >> > Information Technology Director >> > Epping High School >> > Epping Middle School >> > P: 603.679.5452 >> > F: 603.679.2966 >> > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us >> > Registered Linux User #398783 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >-- >Paul VanGundy >Information Technology Director >Epping High School >Epping Middle School >P: 603.679.5452 >F: 603.679.2966 >vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us >Registered Linux User #398783 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Feb 28 16:42:20 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:42:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] MySpace article featuring yours truly Message-ID: <20060228094220.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.8efd77e4be.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Don't you sound like a party pooper! We block MySpace at our schools along with www.urbanchat.com and www.blackplanet.com. We don't see any educational value in these sites. I have been trying to find an anonymous internet proxy to try getting around the filter. Does anyone know of any that I could try??? Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] MySpace article featuring yours truly > From: "David Trask" > Date: Tue, February 28, 2006 10:13 am > To: K12OSN at redhat.com > > Here is a MySpace article > > http://www.wired.com/news/politics/1,70254-1.html > > from Wired Magazine....kinda interesting given the conversations that Eric > Harrison, the crew, and I had while sitting in a bar in Montreal this past > November. I'm curious to know who the "anonymous" educator from southern > OR happens to be ;-) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us Tue Feb 28 16:43:51 2006 From: JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us (Jeffrey Myers) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:43:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] GDM.conf Timed Login and setting up mulitple users Message-ID: <1249B1B01D2A444490F78C240418EA5401578C6C@dcedcf05.dccentral> Does anyone have any ideas on this issue? Jeff _____ From: Jeffrey Myers [mailto:JeffMy at kdoc.dc.state.ks.us] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1:39 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] GDM.conf Timed Login and setting up mulitple users Is there a way to edit the GDM.conf to specify multiple timed user login's? I have seen the documentation out there for KDM. Under the Auto Login with KDM, you specify the host and Auto Login. [X-ws004:0-Core] AutoLoginEnable=true AutoLogin=username Can you do this with the GDM.conf for timed login? I am trying to configure 3 different users with different profiles. I have edited the dhcpd.conf file to specify a static address to a specific MAC. That works great, but I just cant figure out how to edit the GDM.conf file. Thanks for your help group. JEFFREY M -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Feb 28 17:04:14 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:04:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing In-Reply-To: References: <200602281630.k1SGUhHJ018899@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: I'm talking to Harcourt about using a customized locked-down Firefox LiveCD as an option for administering their tests. If anyone has contacts at any other testing firms I will contact them with the same proposal. Thanks, Steve -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Free WebStation Software) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Technology, Education, & Computer Reuse) www.K12OpenSource.com - (Blog on Free and Open Source Software in Schools) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue Feb 28 17:15:57 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:15:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OSX home directories on a K12LTSP server? In-Reply-To: <44036332.9060403@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43E29E35.4070102@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44036332.9060403@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <314EECF0-7CB6-404B-A607-57E9CD2000BE@mindfirestudios.com> This should really be on the wiki if it isn't already. On Feb 27, 2006, at 2:38 PM, Dan Young wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: >> Has anyone setup roaming profiles on Apple OSX clients stored on a >> K12LTSP server? (i.e. Netatalk, NFS, or Samba?) > > Wanted to update this thread if anyone was interested in AFP roaming > profiles on OS X mounted from a K12LTSP server w/ Netatalk, w/ > users in > OpenLDAP... > > Configure Netatalk server > 1. Add uams_guest.so to AFPD_UAMLIST in /etc/atalk/netatalk.conf > 2. Add share definition to /etc/atalk/AppleVolumes.default: > /home Users cnidscheme:dbd > > Add required attributes to each LDAP user: > 1. Add apple.schema to /etc/openldap/schema from: > http://tinyurl.com/opgp6 > 2. Uncomment apple-user-homeDirectory attribute and restart > openldap. > 3. Add to each user, apple-user-homeurl with value: > afp://hostname/Usersusername home_dir> > 4. Add to each user, apple-user-homeDirectory with value: > /Network/Servers/hostname/Users/username > > Configure Mac OS X client > 1. Open /Applications/Utilities/Directory Access > 2. Select LDAPv3, check Enable if it isn't already, Configure... > 3. New... > 4. Server name: ldap.mesd.k12.or.us > 5. Manual > 6. Name the configuration > 7. Change LDAP Mappings to RFC 2307 (Unix) > 8. Set search base to dc=mydistrict,dc=k12,dc=or,dc=us (or similar) > 9. Edit > 10. Search & Mappings > 11. Under Users, change the NFSHomeDirectory mapping from: > homeDirectory to apple-user-homeDirectory > 12. Under Users, click Add... > 13. Select HomeDirectory, click OK > 14. Add a mapping for HomeDirectory to apple-user-homeurl > 15. Open /Applications/Utilities/NetInfo Manager > 16. Click the lock to make changes > 17. Select mount, click New > 18. Add property name with value hostname:/Users > 19. Add property dir with value /Network/Servers/ > 20. Add property vfstype with value url > 21. Add property opts with values: > net > url==afp://;AUTH-NO%20USER%20AUTHENT at hostname/Users > 22. Reboot; alternatively you could reload the DirectoryService and > the automounter on OS X... > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Feb 28 18:36:32 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:36:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] MySpace article featuring yours truly In-Reply-To: <20060228094220.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.8efd77e4be.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20060228094220.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.8efd77e4be.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <44049830.5060205@paasda.org> bannedphraselist:< proxy > bannedsitelist:proxy.org bannedsitelist:freeproxy.ru bannedsitelist:antiproxy.com bannedsitelist:theproxyconnection.com bannedsitelist:megaproxy.com bannedsitelist:proxyweb.net bannedsitelist:multiproxy.org bannedsitelist:aliveproxy.com bannedsitelist:proxyway.com bannedsitelist:proxyblind.org bannedsitelist:foxyproxy.net bannedsitelist:proxyhero.com bannedsitelist:cgi-proxy.net bannedsitelist:tntproxy.com a bit draconian but was neccessary ;) rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Don't you sound like a party pooper! We block MySpace at our schools > along with www.urbanchat.com and www.blackplanet.com. We don't see any > educational value in these sites. I have been trying to find an > anonymous internet proxy to try getting around the filter. Does anyone > know of any that I could try??? > > > Thanks, > > Ron > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Feb 28 18:32:20 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:32:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OSX home directories on a K12LTSP server? In-Reply-To: <314EECF0-7CB6-404B-A607-57E9CD2000BE@mindfirestudios.com> References: <43E29E35.4070102@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44036332.9060403@mesd.k12.or.us> <314EECF0-7CB6-404B-A607-57E9CD2000BE@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <44049734.90409@mesd.k12.or.us> Burke Almquist wrote: > This should really be on the wiki if it isn't already. Done: http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AOSXClientToK12LTSPLDAPAFP > On Feb 27, 2006, at 2:38 PM, Dan Young wrote: > >> Eric Harrison wrote: >> >>> Has anyone setup roaming profiles on Apple OSX clients stored on a >>> K12LTSP server? (i.e. Netatalk, NFS, or Samba?) >> >> >> Wanted to update this thread if anyone was interested in AFP roaming >> profiles on OS X mounted from a K12LTSP server w/ Netatalk, w/ users in >> OpenLDAP... -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org Tue Feb 28 18:42:50 2006 From: mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org (Mark Goodridge) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:42:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MySpace article featuring yours truly In-Reply-To: <44049830.5060205@paasda.org> References: <20060228094220.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.8efd77e4be.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> <44049830.5060205@paasda.org> Message-ID: <440499AA.2070600@chelseaeagles.org> Huck wrote: > bannedphraselist:< proxy > > bannedsitelist:proxy.org > bannedsitelist:freeproxy.ru > bannedsitelist:antiproxy.com > bannedsitelist:theproxyconnection.com > bannedsitelist:megaproxy.com > bannedsitelist:proxyweb.net > bannedsitelist:multiproxy.org > bannedsitelist:aliveproxy.com > bannedsitelist:proxyway.com > bannedsitelist:proxyblind.org > bannedsitelist:foxyproxy.net > bannedsitelist:proxyhero.com > bannedsitelist:cgi-proxy.net > bannedsitelist:tntproxy.com > Love it. Thanks for saving me a lot of work. -- Mark Goodridge The Computer Guy Chelsea Elementary School From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Feb 28 18:40:47 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:40:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] MySpace article featuring yours truly Message-ID: <20060228114047.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.4ae11cb89d.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Well that proved that our filter is easily bypassed. I guess that you have to add the Internet proxy servers to the banned list. Thanks for the information. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] MySpace article featuring yours truly > From: Huck > Date: Tue, February 28, 2006 12:36 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > bannedphraselist:< proxy > > bannedsitelist:proxy.org > bannedsitelist:freeproxy.ru > bannedsitelist:antiproxy.com > bannedsitelist:theproxyconnection.com > bannedsitelist:megaproxy.com > bannedsitelist:proxyweb.net > bannedsitelist:multiproxy.org > bannedsitelist:aliveproxy.com > bannedsitelist:proxyway.com > bannedsitelist:proxyblind.org > bannedsitelist:foxyproxy.net > bannedsitelist:proxyhero.com > bannedsitelist:cgi-proxy.net > bannedsitelist:tntproxy.com > > > a bit draconian but was neccessary ;) > > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > Don't you sound like a party pooper! We block MySpace at our schools > > along with www.urbanchat.com and www.blackplanet.com. We don't see any > > educational value in these sites. I have been trying to find an > > anonymous internet proxy to try getting around the filter. Does anyone > > know of any that I could try??? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > Conecuh County Schools > > (251) 578-7073 x26 > > (251) 238-1890 cell > > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Feb 28 18:55:28 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:55:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] MySpace article featuring yours truly In-Reply-To: <20060228114047.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.4ae11cb89d.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20060228114047.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.4ae11cb89d.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <44049CA0.6030102@paasda.org> easier to add 'proxy' to the bannedphraselist =) I was trying to be selective at first to smack some kids on the head... but alas my efforts were futile..the kids were more resourceful than I...and had a LOT more freetime to try and circumvent the proxy than I had to track down all of their proxy sites...so death to the word proxy. --Huck rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Well that proved that our filter is easily bypassed. I guess that you > have to add the Internet proxy servers to the banned list. > Thanks for the information. > > Ron From morris_r at 4j.lane.edu Tue Feb 28 18:56:48 2006 From: morris_r at 4j.lane.edu (Roger) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:56:48 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] MySpace article featuring yours truly In-Reply-To: <44049CA0.6030102@paasda.org> References: <20060228114047.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.4ae11cb89d.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> <44049CA0.6030102@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20060228185648.GA8696@4j.lane.edu> Around Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 10:55:28AM -0800, Huck, wrote: > easier to add 'proxy' to the bannedphraselist =) > I was trying to be selective at first to smack some kids on the head... > but alas my efforts were futile..the kids were more resourceful than > I...and had a LOT more freetime to try and circumvent the proxy than I > had to track down all of their proxy sites...so death to the word proxy. > Would a block on the phrase 'myspace' also work? most of the redirectors use the site you're going to as part of the url. similar to: http://proxy.org/proxy.pl?myspace.com I'll try that on a test list. -- Roger Morris 687-3579 morris_r at 4j.lane.edu * Knghtktty is not going to ask how zucchini got into the discussion ... From jam at mcquil.com Tue Feb 28 18:59:23 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:59:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing In-Reply-To: References: <200602281630.k1SGUhHJ018899@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <34944.65.199.96.2.1141153163.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Tue, February 28, 2006 12:04 pm, Steve Hargadon wrote: > I'm talking to Harcourt about using a customized locked-down Firefox > LiveCD > as an option for administering their tests. How would that work for the thin clients? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > If anyone has contacts at any other testing firms I will contact them with > the same proposal. > > Thanks, > > Steve > > -- > Steve Hargadon > steve at hargadon.com > 916-899-1400 direct > > www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) > www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) > www.LiveKiosk.com - (Free WebStation Software) > www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) > www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Technology, Education, & Computer Reuse) > www.K12OpenSource.com - (Blog on Free and Open Source Software in Schools) > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Feb 28 19:08:32 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:08:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing In-Reply-To: <34944.65.199.96.2.1141153163.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> References: <200602281630.k1SGUhHJ018899@mx1.redhat.com> <34944.65.199.96.2.1141153163.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: On 2/28/06, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > On Tue, February 28, 2006 12:04 pm, Steve Hargadon wrote: > > I'm talking to Harcourt about using a customized locked-down Firefox > > LiveCD > > as an option for administering their tests. > > How would that work for the thin clients? > Well, we're not talking thin client... yet. If they can approve the LiveKiosk CD, with a locked-down firefox browser, then the next step is to get approval on LTSP. The browser has to be locked down so the students don't have access to any other web material, which we can guarantee with the CD for an easy test. www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Free WebStation Software) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Technology, Education, & Computer Reuse) www.K12OpenSource.com - (Blog on Free and Open Source Software in Schools) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Tue Feb 28 20:21:23 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:21:23 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] MySpace article featuring yours truly In-Reply-To: <20060228185648.GA8696@4j.lane.edu> References: <20060228114047.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.4ae11cb89d.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> <44049CA0.6030102@paasda.org> <20060228185648.GA8696@4j.lane.edu> Message-ID: <4404B0C3.9040502@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Roger wrote: > Would a block on the phrase 'myspace' also work? > most of the redirectors use the site you're going to as part of the url. > similar to: http://proxy.org/proxy.pl?myspace.com > Most of the nph-proxy based websites won't let you off that easily - they mangle the target URL so your filter won't catch them. Here's my regex list: (nph-proxy.[cgi|pl]) (nph.-proxy.[cgi|pl]) (nph-proxya.[cgi|pl]) (nph-proxyb.[cgi|pl]) (nph-surf.[cgi|pl]) (nph-one.[cgi|pl]) (nph-teste.[cgi|pl]) Cheers, Mike From kmgrant at actaccess.net Tue Feb 28 20:53:17 2006 From: kmgrant at actaccess.net (Ken Grant) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:53:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing In-Reply-To: <34944.65.199.96.2.1141153163.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> References: <200602281630.k1SGUhHJ018899@mx1.redhat.com> <34944.65.199.96.2.1141153163.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: <54122.72.36.4.216.1141159997.squirrel@webx1.neonova.net> Jim: Do the browsers cache all content and temp files in the user's home directory? Ken > On Tue, February 28, 2006 12:04 pm, Steve Hargadon wrote: >> I'm talking to Harcourt about using a customized locked-down Firefox >> LiveCD >> as an option for administering their tests. > > How would that work for the thin clients? > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > >> >> If anyone has contacts at any other testing firms I will contact them >> with the same proposal. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Steve >> >> -- >> Steve Hargadon >> steve at hargadon.com >> 916-899-1400 direct >> >> www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) >> www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) >> www.LiveKiosk.com - (Free WebStation Software) >> www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) >> www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Technology, Education, & Computer >> Reuse) www.K12OpenSource.com - (Blog on Free and Open Source Software >> in Schools) _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From kmgrant at actaccess.net Tue Feb 28 21:07:23 2006 From: kmgrant at actaccess.net (Ken Grant) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:07:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing In-Reply-To: References: <20060226114523.6b39b8bb@localhost> < > <20060227064617.17be6397@localhost> < > <1141054227.8934.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <1141054635.44031cab1835b@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> <1141095460.7983.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <54347.72.36.4.216.1141160843.squirrel@webx1.neonova.net> Next Monday and Tuesday there is a state wide education conference here in Wyoming and on the agenda is Microsoft, eagerly hawking their wares. How can we get state education departments to consider - be aware of - open-source? Ken > What we've found in Maine is that not all web-based apps are created > equal. This is primarily because many companies are LAZY and thus > choose to make a web app that requires Active X or some other > proprietary plug-in just to work. So, yes, they can tout it as > web-based.....but......only with IE...or whatever. Maine has a student > information database called MEDMS (Maine Educational Data Management > System).....in which all students are entered thus making online > testing, Federal child > count....etc.....much easier (supposedly). In fact, when one kid moves > to another school in-state....a simple change is made in the database > and their record is reassigned to the other school. Anyway....this > project has been long in development and in the beginning is was an > abyssmal failure due to the company they contracted with initially > developing everything using Windows tools and thus making it so it would > only be supoported with IE. Well.....the shit hit the fan when many of > us (primarily Mac and Linux schools) went nuts! What the hell were we > supposed to do? In the end the company relented and agreed to port it > to any 128bit capable browser. Anyway....next thing we know...the > "Windows" company can't deliver the product (after millions had been > sunk into it) so the State pulls out and is now working with someone > else (or developing in-house...not totally sure). Now it's online and > working (yes it has bugs, but not big ones). AND...it works with most > if not all browsers. > > Maine also works with a company called Measured Progress for the MEA > online testing. This is another case of silly ideas and poor planning. > At least in Maine we have a choice whether or not to use paper tests or > online. We choose paper as it's too high stakes to risk it. The MEA > uses a Java based TDS (Test Delivery Server) at each location that > supposedly talks to the primary server at Measured Progress...along with > a Java client (using Java Web Start). Problem is that there are way too > many points of failure. Computers that sleep, (Students that sleep), > broken connections between the TDS and the client, broken connections > between the TDS and Measured Progress....etc. Thus we've had some tests > that were never recorded.....etc. > > What I don't understand is why we can't use something similar to Moodle > to deliver tests? Worried about server overload? Assign one server to > "x" schools.....or schedule the test so everyone isn't taking it at > once. There are a myriad of things that could be done in that manner. > PHP, Perl, MySQL....have any of these testing folks ever heard of this > stuff? !!! (Can anyone tell I'm pissed?) > > *Stepping off soapbox* > > > > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Monday, February 27, 2006 at 9:57 PM +0000 > wrote: >>Mark, >> >>Most web-based applications now are browser independent. Again, >>PowerSchool (works in IE, Safari, Opera, Firefox.....). >> >>-Paul >> >>On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 10:37 -0500, mark at ehle.homelinux.org wrote: >>> That's fine as long as you get them to make web-based applications >>> that >>run on >>> ALL browsers instead of just IE. >>> >>> Mark E. >>> >>> Quoting Paul VanGundy : >>> >>> > All, >>> > >>> > Generally speaking, the only way to ensure that you get platform >>> independent programs/applications is to go web-based. I've really >>> encouraged our state to start focusing on web-based testing and >>> applications because that really is the only way to be platform >>> independent. Besides, it's generally less expensive (both labor and >>> time) to create a web-based application versus creating a Windows >>> executable and the numerous install options Linux offers >>> > (.deb, .rpm, .bin, .tar.gz, etc...) and the Mac .sit file. About a >>week >>> > and a half ago I was on here talking about PowerSchool and how it's >>> web-based (as is Centre...I don't want to go there again. :)) and >>> how because it is web-based we aren't tied down to one operating >>> system on our client side. We can use Macs, Windows, and Linux >>> clients to view >>our >>> > student information system database. In my humble opinion, >>> web-based >>is >>> > the way to go if your district and state can go that route. >>> > >>> > -Paul >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 06:46 -0700, Ken Grant wrote: >>> > > Hi: >>> > > >>> > > Thanks for all your wonderful responses! It is good to know, in >>> a >>> > > bizzare sort of way, that other states have tried and failed at >>> implementing testing in this way. >>> > > >>> > > I'm going to talk to anyone I can at Harcourt and the state to >>> make >>> > > sure that all platforms are considered when implementing this >>> type >>of >>> > > testing. >>> > > >>> > > Bandwidth issues were mentioned and the public schools in >>> Wyoming >>are >>> > > having a devil of a time with this issue. The whole thing has >>> been poorly thought out and implemented. >>> > > >>> > > Cheers, >>> > > Ken >>> > > >>> > > On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:45:23 -0700 >>> > > Ken Grant wrote: >>> > > >>> > > > Hello All: >>> > > > >>> > > > This may or may not be the best place to address this issue, >>> but >>> > > I >>> > > > figure there are enough tech/educational experts here that >>someone is >>> > > > bound to have encountered it. >>> > > > >>> > > > My problem: Our state, Wyoming, is converting all standardized >>> > > testing >>> > > > for compliance with the "No Child Left Behind" law to >>> computers. Starting in about six weeks, children in grades 3-8, >>> and grade 11, >>> > > will >>> > > > be taking our state test online. The test is designed by the >>state >>> > > but >>> > > > admisistered through Harcourt Assessment. To ensure that >>students do >>> > > > not have access to other parts of the computer they are working >>on, >>> > > all >>> > > > testing must be done with a "secure browser." To get the >>> browser >>to >>> > > > be secure a program called SiteKiosk is used. And you guessed >>> it, it only runs on Windows and sometimes Macs. >>> > > > >>> > > > At this point the state is still dealing with many tech >>> issues, >>> > > > including getting SiteKiosk to run on Macs. I've been assured >>> by people at the state level and at Harcourt Assessment that no >>testing >>> > > has >>> > > > been done with Linux. Since K12LTSP is being used by school >>districts >>> > > > across the nation, this seems to me to be a terrible oversight. >>> > > > >>> > > > I realize that the bigger school districts have the funding >>> for >>> > > Windows >>> > > > systems; however, we are a small Catholic school with very >>> little resources to invest in IT. K12LTSP is the only way we >>> can get >>> > > computers >>> > > > in the classroom. >>> > > > >>> > > > All that said, have any of you been faced with a similar >>> issue? >>> > > If >>> > > > so, how have you dealt with it? How many schools with K12LTSP >>> are >>> > > using >>> > > > it as their only platform? >>> > > > >>> > > > I plan to make as much noise as possible with both the state >>> and >>> > > with >>> > > > Harcourt so that this situation can be corrected, but in the >>meantime >>> > > > any ideas on how to get SiteKiosk to run on Linux would be >>> great. >>> > > Does >>> > > > anyone know if a Linux-based program exsists to make a browser >>> > > secure? >>> > > > >>> > > > Thanks for reading my rant and for K12LTSP...it's an awesome >>> OS! >>> > > > >>> > > > Cheers, >>> > > > Ken >>> > > > >>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > > K12OSN mailing list >>> > > > K12OSN at redhat.com >>> > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> > > > For more info see >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > K12OSN mailing list >>> > > K12OSN at redhat.com >>> > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> > > For more info see >>> > -- >>> > Paul VanGundy >>> > Information Technology Director >>> > Epping High School >>> > Epping Middle School >>> > P: 603.679.5452 >>> > F: 603.679.2966 >>> > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us >>> > Registered Linux User #398783 >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > K12OSN mailing list >>> > K12OSN at redhat.com >>> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> > For more info see >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>-- >>Paul VanGundy >>Information Technology Director >>Epping High School >>Epping Middle School >>P: 603.679.5452 >>F: 603.679.2966 >>vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us >>Registered Linux User #398783 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From accessys at smart.net Tue Feb 28 21:17:54 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:17:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] State Testing In-Reply-To: <54347.72.36.4.216.1141160843.squirrel@webx1.neonova.net> References: <20060226114523.6b39b8bb@localhost> < > <20060227064617.17be6397@localhost> < > <1141054227.8934.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <1141054635.44031cab1835b@gateway.ehle.homelinux.org> <1141095460.7983.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <54347.72.36.4.216.1141160843.squirrel@webx1.neonova.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, Ken Grant wrote: > Next Monday and Tuesday there is a state wide education conference here in > Wyoming and on the agenda is Microsoft, eagerly hawking their wares. How aren't you the lucky one > can we get state education departments to consider - be aware of - > open-source? take a handfull of K12LTSP and maybe Mepis CD's and when it comes question and answer time, think up a few good ones (I'm sure the folks here have heard it and know some questions that will at least make people think) good luck Bob > > Ken > > > What we've found in Maine is that not all web-based apps are created > > equal. This is primarily because many companies are LAZY and thus > > choose to make a web app that requires Active X or some other > > proprietary plug-in just to work. So, yes, they can tout it as > > web-based.....but......only with IE...or whatever. Maine has a student > > information database called MEDMS (Maine Educational Data Management > > System).....in which all students are entered thus making online > > testing, Federal child > > count....etc.....much easier (supposedly). In fact, when one kid moves > > to another school in-state....a simple change is made in the database > > and their record is reassigned to the other school. Anyway....this > > project has been long in development and in the beginning is was an > > abyssmal failure due to the company they contracted with initially > > developing everything using Windows tools and thus making it so it would > > only be supoported with IE. Well.....the shit hit the fan when many of > > us (primarily Mac and Linux schools) went nuts! What the hell were we > > supposed to do? In the end the company relented and agreed to port it > > to any 128bit capable browser. Anyway....next thing we know...the > > "Windows" company can't deliver the product (after millions had been > > sunk into it) so the State pulls out and is now working with someone > > else (or developing in-house...not totally sure). Now it's online and > > working (yes it has bugs, but not big ones). AND...it works with most > > if not all browsers. > > > > Maine also works with a company called Measured Progress for the MEA > > online testing. This is another case of silly ideas and poor planning. > > At least in Maine we have a choice whether or not to use paper tests or > > online. We choose paper as it's too high stakes to risk it. The MEA > > uses a Java based TDS (Test Delivery Server) at each location that > > supposedly talks to the primary server at Measured Progress...along with > > a Java client (using Java Web Start). Problem is that there are way too > > many points of failure. Computers that sleep, (Students that sleep), > > broken connections between the TDS and the client, broken connections > > between the TDS and Measured Progress....etc. Thus we've had some tests > > that were never recorded.....etc. > > > > What I don't understand is why we can't use something similar to Moodle > > to deliver tests? Worried about server overload? Assign one server to > > "x" schools.....or schedule the test so everyone isn't taking it at > > once. There are a myriad of things that could be done in that manner. > > PHP, Perl, MySQL....have any of these testing folks ever heard of this > > stuff? !!! (Can anyone tell I'm pissed?) > > > > *Stepping off soapbox* > > > > > > > > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Monday, February 27, 2006 at 9:57 PM +0000 > > wrote: > >>Mark, > >> > >>Most web-based applications now are browser independent. Again, > >>PowerSchool (works in IE, Safari, Opera, Firefox.....). > >> > >>-Paul > >> > >>On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 10:37 -0500, mark at ehle.homelinux.org wrote: > >>> That's fine as long as you get them to make web-based applications > >>> that > >>run on > >>> ALL browsers instead of just IE. > >>> > >>> Mark E. > >>> > >>> Quoting Paul VanGundy : > >>> > >>> > All, > >>> > > >>> > Generally speaking, the only way to ensure that you get platform > >>> independent programs/applications is to go web-based. I've really > >>> encouraged our state to start focusing on web-based testing and > >>> applications because that really is the only way to be platform > >>> independent. Besides, it's generally less expensive (both labor and > >>> time) to create a web-based application versus creating a Windows > >>> executable and the numerous install options Linux offers > >>> > (.deb, .rpm, .bin, .tar.gz, etc...) and the Mac .sit file. About a > >>week > >>> > and a half ago I was on here talking about PowerSchool and how it's > >>> web-based (as is Centre...I don't want to go there again. :)) and > >>> how because it is web-based we aren't tied down to one operating > >>> system on our client side. We can use Macs, Windows, and Linux > >>> clients to view > >>our > >>> > student information system database. In my humble opinion, > >>> web-based > >>is > >>> > the way to go if your district and state can go that route. > >>> > > >>> > -Paul > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 06:46 -0700, Ken Grant wrote: > >>> > > Hi: > >>> > > > >>> > > Thanks for all your wonderful responses! It is good to know, in > >>> a > >>> > > bizzare sort of way, that other states have tried and failed at > >>> implementing testing in this way. > >>> > > > >>> > > I'm going to talk to anyone I can at Harcourt and the state to > >>> make > >>> > > sure that all platforms are considered when implementing this > >>> type > >>of > >>> > > testing. > >>> > > > >>> > > Bandwidth issues were mentioned and the public schools in > >>> Wyoming > >>are > >>> > > having a devil of a time with this issue. The whole thing has > >>> been poorly thought out and implemented. > >>> > > > >>> > > Cheers, > >>> > > Ken > >>> > > > >>> > > On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:45:23 -0700 > >>> > > Ken Grant wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > > Hello All: > >>> > > > > >>> > > > This may or may not be the best place to address this issue, > >>> but > >>> > > I > >>> > > > figure there are enough tech/educational experts here that > >>someone is > >>> > > > bound to have encountered it. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > My problem: Our state, Wyoming, is converting all standardized > >>> > > testing > >>> > > > for compliance with the "No Child Left Behind" law to > >>> computers. Starting in about six weeks, children in grades 3-8, > >>> and grade 11, > >>> > > will > >>> > > > be taking our state test online. The test is designed by the > >>state > >>> > > but > >>> > > > admisistered through Harcourt Assessment. To ensure that > >>students do > >>> > > > not have access to other parts of the computer they are working > >>on, > >>> > > all > >>> > > > testing must be done with a "secure browser." To get the > >>> browser > >>to > >>> > > > be secure a program called SiteKiosk is used. And you guessed > >>> it, it only runs on Windows and sometimes Macs. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > At this point the state is still dealing with many tech > >>> issues, > >>> > > > including getting SiteKiosk to run on Macs. I've been assured > >>> by people at the state level and at Harcourt Assessment that no > >>testing > >>> > > has > >>> > > > been done with Linux. Since K12LTSP is being used by school > >>districts > >>> > > > across the nation, this seems to me to be a terrible oversight. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > I realize that the bigger school districts have the funding > >>> for > >>> > > Windows > >>> > > > systems; however, we are a small Catholic school with very > >>> little resources to invest in IT. K12LTSP is the only way we > >>> can get > >>> > > computers > >>> > > > in the classroom. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > All that said, have any of you been faced with a similar > >>> issue? > >>> > > If > >>> > > > so, how have you dealt with it? How many schools with K12LTSP > >>> are > >>> > > using > >>> > > > it as their only platform? > >>> > > > > >>> > > > I plan to make as much noise as possible with both the state > >>> and > >>> > > with > >>> > > > Harcourt so that this situation can be corrected, but in the > >>meantime > >>> > > > any ideas on how to get SiteKiosk to run on Linux would be > >>> great. > >>> > > Does > >>> > > > anyone know if a Linux-based program exsists to make a browser > >>> > > secure? > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Thanks for reading my rant and for K12LTSP...it's an awesome > >>> OS! > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Cheers, > >>> > > > Ken > >>> > > > > >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > > > K12OSN mailing list > >>> > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> > > > For more info see > >>> > > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > > K12OSN mailing list > >>> > > K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> > > For more info see > >>> > -- > >>> > Paul VanGundy > >>> > Information Technology Director > >>> > Epping High School > >>> > Epping Middle School > >>> > P: 603.679.5452 > >>> > F: 603.679.2966 > >>> > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > >>> > Registered Linux User #398783 > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > K12OSN mailing list > >>> > K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> > For more info see > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > >>-- > >>Paul VanGundy > >>Information Technology Director > >>Epping High School > >>Epping Middle School > >>P: 603.679.5452 > >>F: 603.679.2966 > >>vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > >>Registered Linux User #398783 > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > > > > > > > > David N. 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