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Re: [K12OSN] Schoolmaster / schoolmaster.com



Paul, 	
They did not stand alone -- they are completely integrated into one
database (MySQL) -- there is no transfer of data.  But, you should look
for yourself unless you are completely sold on PowerSchool and have the
finances available.  I am not a salesperson for Centre -- just a proponent
of OpenSource that meets the needs of a district and trying to clarify
your reasoning in my mind.  
Sharon 
>
>That's what we are trying to avoid, modularizing our database. You can
>have a module for lunch, discipline and health and so on but they are
>just that: independent modules. Modules are independent, and sometimes
>communicate properly with the rest of the database. Modules are meant to
>be standalone or combined to form a database (like MMS,
>www.cri-mms.com). The problem with this is that they don't always
>communicate with each other properly and we aren't about to go back to a
>module type database. 
>
>PowerSchool, for example, acts as a contiguous whole and not as
>individual modules attempting to act as a whole. This allows us to trust
>our input and output data versus our current modular based SIS which
>data sometimes gets lost in transition from one module to another.
>
>Again, Centre might meet the needs of some school districts, but I am
>not about to bet all of my money on them nor am I fully willing to put
>all of our district SIS data on one yet. Perhaps in the future as they
>mature more.
>
>-Paul
>
>
>On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:55 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote:
>> I have moved from the district that was implementing Centre.  However,
>> they also used a discipline module, a food services module, a module to
>> track student obligations etc.  Just a thought that Centre has been on a
>> rapid development curve and remains very cost effective (as opposed to
>the
>> $80,000 plus that PowerSchool quoted  -- without training).
>> Sharon
>> 
>> vangundypw sau14 k12 nh us on Friday, February 17, 2006 at 12:39 PM
>-0500
>> wrote:
>> >Sharon,
>> >
>> >I agree that size makes is a factor, but isn't the focus. It really
>> >depends on what features your district demand from an SIS and are those
>> >features offered. You may have two school districts with 2500 students
>> >but District A may use their SIS more exhaustively than District B. 
>> >
>> >An example, we really need features to keep track of discipline. That
>> >features doesn't exist in Centre. With PowerSchool we can track
>> >discipline by day, time, and location. So we can pull up all students
>> >that during 9am-11am on February 17th were truant. It will give us all
>> >the students that meet these conditions. Centre and SchoolTool can't do
>> >that. That is a feature we need to have because that's what our
>district
>> >uses to track discipline. Other school districts might not.
>> >
>> >Again, the above was an example but the focus should be on what are the
>> >needs of your district and not necessarily the size.
>> >
>> >-Paul
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:30 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote:
>> >> I would like to know the size of your district(s).  There are
>several in
>> >> Maine using Centre (2500 students approximately) and I believe it is
>> >> working very well.
>> >> Sharon
>> >> 
>> >> vangundypw sau14 k12 nh us on Friday, February 17, 2006 at 12:27 PM
>> >-0500
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >Mike,
>> >> >
>> >> >I guess it really depends on how exhaustive you use your student
>> >> >information systems. I know that we looked at several different SIS
>> >> >databases like Centre, SchoolTool, MMS, iPass, and PowerSchool.
>This is
>> >> >my thought on Open Source SIS databases to date: Primitive. At an
>> >> >elementary school level you can probably get away without a lot of
>the
>> >> >features that more robust and commercial SIS databases like
>PowerSchool
>> >> >offer but at the high school and district levels, we can't live
>without
>> >> >options that we get with commercial SIS databases. We indeed did go
>> >with
>> >> >PowerSchool as it is extremely robust, web based, and always up to
>date
>> >> >with our state reporting forms. Not to mention many other options
>and
>> >> >customer support. These are the things that Centre and SchoolTool
>lack.
>> >> >I am all for implementing Linux and open source applicationd in
>> >> >educational institutions (which I have), but in my humble opinion,
>it's
>> >> >not worth relying on an open source SIS database for my district
>> >yet....
>> >> >
>> >> >-Paul
>> >> >
>> >> >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:05 -0500, Mike Heins wrote:
>> >> >> Hi,
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> With the success of our K12ltsp labs, and the fact that all
>remaining
>> >> >> computer systems problems seem to be Windows/related, we are in
>the
>> >> >> market for a Linux-based school information system (to replace
>Hunter
>> >> >> Schoolminder, etc.).
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> My cooperating teacher ran across Schoolmaster, which apparently
>can
>> >> >> run its custom DB (Faircomp) on Linux, but still runs all code on
>> >> >> Windows clients.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> I surveyed the options last year and didn't see anything real good
>> >> >> that was web or Linux based. 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> So I have three questions:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>     1) Are there any satisfied or dissatisfied Schoolmaster
>> >> >>        users out there?
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>     2) Have any options opened up (or become stronger) in the
>> >> >>        past year for school information systems?
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>     3) How close is the Shuttleworth school system from being
>> >> >>        useful for grades and report cards?
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Best,
>> >> >
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