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I am not convinced -- we had all you mention and it was about 1/4 of your
$24,000 per year not counting the initial cost to get the functionality
and state reports.  Upgrades are all part of the maintenance agreement. 
Again, Centre is a contiguous whole database and you paid a flat fee each
year which covered all new releases of the database, state reporting
updates and any new add-ons that we requested (not that were automatically
integrated even if we didn't need them).

However,  every district needs to make their own decision -- 
Sharon

vangundypw sau14 k12 nh us on Friday, February 17, 2006 at 1:22 PM -0500
wrote:
>Sharon,
>
>When we pay our $24,000 to PowerSchool (which includes everything...even
>training..not a bad price actually) we get EVERYTHING from Lunch
>tracking, billing, calendaring, grade books, professional quality report
>cards, student ID generator/creator, parent and student access,
>discipline, tons of reporting utilities, automatic state report updates,
>special education portion, easy importing and exporting of data, and
>many many more things...and all of that comes with the yearly price we
>pay for support. When a new version or addition to PowerSchool is
>released we automatically get it. Centre has SOME of those features, not
>many of them. Also, take a look here:
>
>https://store.glenn-abbey.com/
>
>Seems you still have to pay for State Reporting portions, per-incident
>support, Student Billing/Food Service Tracking and so on...and those
>aren't cheap prices either. What happens if a new version or update
>comes out of those modules? More $$$$.....So if you really want to USE
>your Centre SIS you are forced to go out and purchase additional modules
>or add on programs. Again, PowerSchool is a contiguous whole database.
>We pay a flat fee each year which covers all new releases of the
>PowerSchool database, all state reporting updates, any new add-ons that
>PowerSchool will create to extend its' database and so on. 
>
>Again, Centre might be for some districts. But not all.
>
>-Paul
>
>
>On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 13:09 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote:
>> Paul, 	
>> They did not stand alone -- they are completely integrated into one
>> database (MySQL) -- there is no transfer of data.  But, you should look
>> for yourself unless you are completely sold on PowerSchool and have the
>> finances available.  I am not a salesperson for Centre -- just a
>proponent
>> of OpenSource that meets the needs of a district and trying to clarify
>> your reasoning in my mind.  
>> Sharon 
>> >
>> >That's what we are trying to avoid, modularizing our database. You can
>> >have a module for lunch, discipline and health and so on but they are
>> >just that: independent modules. Modules are independent, and sometimes
>> >communicate properly with the rest of the database. Modules are meant
>to
>> >be standalone or combined to form a database (like MMS,
>> >www.cri-mms.com). The problem with this is that they don't always
>> >communicate with each other properly and we aren't about to go back to
>a
>> >module type database. 
>> >
>> >PowerSchool, for example, acts as a contiguous whole and not as
>> >individual modules attempting to act as a whole. This allows us to
>trust
>> >our input and output data versus our current modular based SIS which
>> >data sometimes gets lost in transition from one module to another.
>> >
>> >Again, Centre might meet the needs of some school districts, but I am
>> >not about to bet all of my money on them nor am I fully willing to put
>> >all of our district SIS data on one yet. Perhaps in the future as they
>> >mature more.
>> >
>> >-Paul
>> >
>> >
>> >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:55 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote:
>> >> I have moved from the district that was implementing Centre. 
>However,
>> >> they also used a discipline module, a food services module, a module
>to
>> >> track student obligations etc.  Just a thought that Centre has been
>on a
>> >> rapid development curve and remains very cost effective (as opposed
>to
>> >the
>> >> $80,000 plus that PowerSchool quoted  -- without training).
>> >> Sharon
>> >> 
>> >> vangundypw sau14 k12 nh us on Friday, February 17, 2006 at 12:39 PM
>> >-0500
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >Sharon,
>> >> >
>> >> >I agree that size makes is a factor, but isn't the focus. It really
>> >> >depends on what features your district demand from an SIS and are
>those
>> >> >features offered. You may have two school districts with 2500
>students
>> >> >but District A may use their SIS more exhaustively than District B. 
>> >> >
>> >> >An example, we really need features to keep track of discipline.
>That
>> >> >features doesn't exist in Centre. With PowerSchool we can track
>> >> >discipline by day, time, and location. So we can pull up all
>students
>> >> >that during 9am-11am on February 17th were truant. It will give us
>all
>> >> >the students that meet these conditions. Centre and SchoolTool
>can't do
>> >> >that. That is a feature we need to have because that's what our
>> >district
>> >> >uses to track discipline. Other school districts might not.
>> >> >
>> >> >Again, the above was an example but the focus should be on what are
>the
>> >> >needs of your district and not necessarily the size.
>> >> >
>> >> >-Paul
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:30 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote:
>> >> >> I would like to know the size of your district(s).  There are
>> >several in
>> >> >> Maine using Centre (2500 students approximately) and I believe it
>is
>> >> >> working very well.
>> >> >> Sharon
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> vangundypw sau14 k12 nh us on Friday, February 17, 2006 at 12:27
>PM
>> >> >-0500
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >Mike,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I guess it really depends on how exhaustive you use your student
>> >> >> >information systems. I know that we looked at several different
>SIS
>> >> >> >databases like Centre, SchoolTool, MMS, iPass, and PowerSchool.
>> >This is
>> >> >> >my thought on Open Source SIS databases to date: Primitive. At an
>> >> >> >elementary school level you can probably get away without a lot
>of
>> >the
>> >> >> >features that more robust and commercial SIS databases like
>> >PowerSchool
>> >> >> >offer but at the high school and district levels, we can't live
>> >without
>> >> >> >options that we get with commercial SIS databases. We indeed did
>go
>> >> >with
>> >> >> >PowerSchool as it is extremely robust, web based, and always up
>to
>> >date
>> >> >> >with our state reporting forms. Not to mention many other options
>> >and
>> >> >> >customer support. These are the things that Centre and SchoolTool
>> >lack.
>> >> >> >I am all for implementing Linux and open source applicationd in
>> >> >> >educational institutions (which I have), but in my humble
>opinion,
>> >it's
>> >> >> >not worth relying on an open source SIS database for my district
>> >> >yet....
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >-Paul
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 12:05 -0500, Mike Heins wrote:
>> >> >> >> Hi,
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> With the success of our K12ltsp labs, and the fact that all
>> >remaining
>> >> >> >> computer systems problems seem to be Windows/related, we are in
>> >the
>> >> >> >> market for a Linux-based school information system (to replace
>> >Hunter
>> >> >> >> Schoolminder, etc.).
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> My cooperating teacher ran across Schoolmaster, which
>apparently
>> >can
>> >> >> >> run its custom DB (Faircomp) on Linux, but still runs all code
>on
>> >> >> >> Windows clients.
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> I surveyed the options last year and didn't see anything real
>good
>> >> >> >> that was web or Linux based. 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> So I have three questions:
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >>     1) Are there any satisfied or dissatisfied Schoolmaster
>> >> >> >>        users out there?
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >>     2) Have any options opened up (or become stronger) in the
>> >> >> >>        past year for school information systems?
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >>     3) How close is the Shuttleworth school system from being
>> >> >> >>        useful for grades and report cards?
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> Best,
>> >> >> >
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>> >> >> 
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