From robark at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 00:38:23 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:38:23 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.21 Released Message-ID: Hopefully 0.21 will be relatively bug free. If you want to use yum you will have to wait a bit until Eric puts 0.21 into the yum repo. If you can't wait then I have posted updated installation instructions on my site http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ I would advise all who previously used 'xhost +...' to delete it. Happy New Year! -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Sun Jan 1 16:18:16 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 10:18:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] disable roaming profiles samba/ldap In-Reply-To: <43B55972.6090805@earthlink.net> References: <43B55972.6090805@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Using linux, roaming profiles are no longer a problem for us. We leave winders alone and do everything on the server. Winders thinks it has successfully written the roaming profile, but alas, once winders lets go of the profile share, it is deleted by the system. No more profile worries! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Rita Gibson wrote: > Randall Swift wrote: > > I have a samba/ldap server doing my authentication and storing home > > directories as well as roaming profiles. How do I disable roaming profiles > > (setup on core 3 using the smbldap-installer script)? This server has been > > running for almost a year now can I just simply disable roaming profiles > > without it affecting the server? Thanks for the help. > > > > We have roaming profiles too, and I'd love to learn how to disable them! > They are kind of a "legacy" from the W2K server we had years ago. > > Rita Gibson > RMSELTech > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Jan 1 22:09:15 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 14:09:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.21 Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Hopefully 0.21 will be relatively bug free. > > If you want to use yum you will have to wait a bit until Eric puts > 0.21 into the yum repo. If you can't wait then I have posted updated > installation instructions on my site > > http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > > I would advise all who previously used 'xhost +...' to delete it. > > Happy New Year! > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 Fl_TeacherTool 0.21 is now in the yum repos for K12TLSP 4.4.1 and 4.2.1EL: yum install fl_teachertool -Eric From kjetil at knudsen.gs Mon Jan 2 07:28:50 2006 From: kjetil at knudsen.gs (Kjetil Knudsen) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 02:28:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.21 Released Message-ID: <20060102072850.BEB1C2F903@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com> > > On Sat, 31 Dec 2005, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > Hopefully 0.21 will be relatively bug free. > > > > If you want to use yum you will have to wait a bit until Eric puts > > 0.21 into the yum repo. If you can't wait then I have posted updated > > installation instructions on my site > > > > http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > > > > I would advise all who previously used 'xhost +...' to delete it. > > > > Happy New Year! > > -- > > Robert Arkiletian > > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > > Fl_TeacherTool 0.21 is now in the yum repos for K12TLSP 4.4.1 and > 4.2.1EL: > > yum install fl_teachertool > > -Eric > After yum install fl_teachertool i get the following error when running fl_teachertool: "symbol lookup error: fl_teachertool: undefined symbol: _ZN9Fl_Widget5labelEPKc" Any thoughts? Kjetil Knudsen -- From brr at brr.no Mon Jan 2 10:59:43 2006 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 11:59:43 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum and caching-nameserver Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060102114730.020e5028@brr.no> Hello! Done a new / fresh installation of K12LTSP. After installation I tried to run yum update. I do not manage to update the system because I get the following errors: Transaction Check Error: file /etc/named.conf conflicts between attempted installs of caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-4.k12ltsp.4.4.2 and caching-nameserver-7.3-4.FC4 file /var/named/named.broadcast conflicts between attempted installs of caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-4.k12ltsp.4.4.2 and caching-nameserver-7.3-4.FC4 file /var/named/named.ip6.local conflicts between attempted installs of caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-4.k12ltsp.4.4.2 and caching-nameserver-7.3-4.FC4 file /var/named/named.local conflicts between attempted installs of caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-4.k12ltsp.4.4.2 and caching-nameserver-7.3-4.FC4 file /var/named/named.zero conflicts between attempted installs of caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-4.k12ltsp.4.4.2 and caching-nameserver-7.3-4.FC4 What can I do to fix the problems? Bjorn Roger Rasmussen Norway *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen ( http://www.brr.no/ ) From robark at gmail.com Mon Jan 2 17:31:45 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:31:45 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.21 Released In-Reply-To: <20060102072850.BEB1C2F903@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060102072850.BEB1C2F903@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: On 1/1/06, Kjetil Knudsen wrote: > After yum install fl_teachertool i get the following error when running fl_teachertool: "symbol lookup error: fl_teachertool: undefined symbol: _ZN9Fl_Widget5labelEPKc" > Any thoughts? What version of k12ltsp are you using? Also, what does this give you rpm -qi fltk -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jan 2 17:38:28 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 09:38:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum and caching-nameserver In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060102114730.020e5028@brr.no> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060102114730.020e5028@brr.no> Message-ID: <43B96514.1060502@mesd.k12.or.us> Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: > Done a new / fresh installation of K12LTSP. After installation I tried > to run yum update. I do not manage to update the system because I get > the following errors: > > Transaction Check Error: file /etc/named.conf conflicts between > attempted installs of caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-4.k12ltsp.4.4.2 and > caching-nameserver-7.3-4.FC4 ...-snip... > What can I do to fix the problems? yum remove caching-nameserver-ltsp caching-nameserver yum update -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jan 2 18:12:14 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:12:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Yum and caching-nameserver In-Reply-To: <43B96514.1060502@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060102114730.020e5028@brr.no> <43B96514.1060502@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Jan 2006, Dan Young wrote: > Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: >> Done a new / fresh installation of K12LTSP. After installation I tried to >> run yum update. I do not manage to update the system because I get the >> following errors: >> >> Transaction Check Error: file /etc/named.conf conflicts between attempted >> installs of caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-4.k12ltsp.4.4.2 and >> caching-nameserver-7.3-4.FC4 > ...-snip... >> What can I do to fix the problems? > > yum remove caching-nameserver-ltsp caching-nameserver > yum update That does not give the desired results, caching-nameserver-ltsp and k12ltsp-core are removed and not replaced by the "yum update" Try this instead: yum remove caching-nameserver-ltsp caching-nameserver yum install k12ltsp-core -Eric From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Jan 2 19:39:53 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:39:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Tl_TeacherTool tribulations In-Reply-To: <1136029281.17822.6.camel@vigor4> References: <43B59FC0.7000305@maltzen.net> <1136029281.17822.6.camel@vigor4> Message-ID: <9bd317560601021139j21520abfhe5a94aeeb6e2d9d5@mail.gmail.com> Immanuel, That's awesome that you got monitoring to work with Fl_TeacherTool! Please share how you got that to work with us. Thanks, Peter On 12/31/05, Immanuel Derks wrote: > Even cooler would be to be able to use the standard remote desktop > feature already build into Fedora/RHES. I don't know if that is > technicaly possible but as far as I know it is derivate vnc code. > That way there is no need to tinker with the default LTSP setup. > > We got the Fl_TeacherTool working for monitoring by incorporating xvnc > during bootup of the clients, editing a vncpasswd etc etc. > > > On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 14:59 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > > This is really cool! Thanks, Robert! > > > > FYI, the Lock/Launch screensaver button didn't work with the one Mac client I tested it > > with. I haven't tried it with any PC clients yet. > > > > Any chance Chuck's X11VNC stuff, as described at > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#x11vnc > > can be incorporated in a future release? The VNCReflector gives us the inverse, of > > pushing a window out for all users to see. But being able to see what's on a given > > client's screen would be really useful, too. > > > > Petre > > > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > Eric is including fl_tt into k12ltsp so you don't have to compile it > > > yourself. Just a simple > > > > > > #yum install fl_teachertool > > > > > > should work for k12ltsp 4.4.1 and 4.2.1EL. If you are running an > > > earlier version then yes you will need to install the compiler and > > > install it manually until Eric adds it to those versions yum repos. > > > But I would recommend you wait a few days. I am just about to release > > > version 0.21 (probably) tommorrow. I'm pretty much finished it but I'm > > > just testing now. 0.21 has some nice fixes. *No more xhost needed* > > > which closes a big security hole. > > > Plus some fixes to the new distribute file function. > > > -- > > > Robert Arkiletian > > > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > Immanuel Derks > Translucent Systems > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From kjetil at knudsen.gs Mon Jan 2 19:52:02 2006 From: kjetil at knudsen.gs (Kjetil Knudsen) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:52:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.21 Released Message-ID: <20060102195202.495DE9E753@ws6-2.us4.outblaze.com> > > On 1/1/06, Kjetil Knudsen wrote: > > After yum install fl_teachertool i get the following error when > > running fl_teachertool: "symbol lookup error: fl_teachertool: > > undefined symbol: _ZN9Fl_Widget5labelEPKc" > > Any thoughts? > > What version of k12ltsp are you using? Also, what does this give you > > rpm -qi fltk Fl_teachertool worked until I used yum to get 0.21. I use K12LTSP 4.4.1. rpm -qi fltk tells me that I have fltk, version 1.1.4 installed.. Kjetil Knudsen -- From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jan 2 20:22:38 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:22:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.21 Released In-Reply-To: <20060102195202.495DE9E753@ws6-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060102195202.495DE9E753@ws6-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Jan 2006, Kjetil Knudsen wrote: >> On 1/1/06, Kjetil Knudsen wrote: >>> After yum install fl_teachertool i get the following error when >>> running fl_teachertool: "symbol lookup error: fl_teachertool: >>> undefined symbol: _ZN9Fl_Widget5labelEPKc" >>> Any thoughts? >> >> What version of k12ltsp are you using? Also, what does this give you >> >> rpm -qi fltk > Fl_teachertool worked until I used yum to get 0.21. I use K12LTSP 4.4.1. > rpm -qi fltk tells me that I have fltk, version 1.1.4 installed.. > > Kjetil Knudsen I updated the version of fltk in the repositories. Can you update, retry fl_teachertool, and let us know if it works or not? yum install fltk -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jan 2 21:54:22 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:54:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Need help testing a different approach for the caching-nameserver-ltsp package Message-ID: I think I have a graceful work-around for the conflicts between the latest named & caching-nameserver package updates and K12LTSP's caching-nameserver-ltsp package. Traditionaly, the caching-nameserver-ltsp package was a replacement for the caching-nameserver package. In my test package, I make the caching-nameserver-ltsp require the caching-nameserver and then include both sets of files into an alternate name.conf file: named is started with an alternate config file by adding OPTIONS="-c /etc/named-k12ltsp.conf" to /etc/sysconfig/named. /etc/named-k12ltsp.conf includes /etc/named.conf and the ltsp zones. There are two scenarios I have found where this breaks. One is that /etc/named.conf has been customized but still includes the ltsp zones. If the ltsp zones are included twice, named won't start. The second case is that an alternate config file was already specified in /etc/sysconfig/named. If such a customization was made, the caching-nameserver-ltsp package should not modify it. If either of these conditions are detected, the caching-nameserver-ltsp package skips adding OPTIONS="-c /etc/named-k12ltsp.conf" to /etc/sysconfig/named. I would greatly appreciate help in reviewing and testing of this package on K12LTSP 4.4.1: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-5.k12ltsp.4.4.2.noarch.rpm -Eric From les at futuresource.com Mon Jan 2 23:09:52 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:09:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Need help testing a different approach for the caching-nameserver-ltsp package In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1136243391.9394.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 15:54, Eric Harrison wrote: > There are two scenarios I have found where this breaks. One is > that /etc/named.conf has been customized but still includes the > ltsp zones. If the ltsp zones are included twice, named won't start. > The second case is that an alternate config file was already > specified in /etc/sysconfig/named. If such a customization was made, > the caching-nameserver-ltsp package should not modify it. This happens with the caching-nameserver package with any local modifications, not just ltsp's. The best approach is to not use the caching-nameserver package unless you really don't want anything but caching (i.e. no local zones or config file modifications.). The regular bind package provides caching anyway. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ckjohnson at gwi.net Tue Jan 3 00:28:05 2006 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 19:28:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Need help testing a different approach for the caching-nameserver-ltsp package In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43B9C515.2090409@gwi.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > > I think I have a graceful work-around for the conflicts between the > latest named & caching-nameserver package updates and K12LTSP's > caching-nameserver-ltsp package. > > > Traditionaly, the caching-nameserver-ltsp package was a replacement > for the caching-nameserver package. In my test package, I make the > caching-nameserver-ltsp require the caching-nameserver and then > include both sets of files into an alternate name.conf file: > > named is started with an alternate config file by adding > OPTIONS="-c /etc/named-k12ltsp.conf" to /etc/sysconfig/named. > /etc/named-k12ltsp.conf includes /etc/named.conf and the ltsp zones. > > > There are two scenarios I have found where this breaks. One is > that /etc/named.conf has been customized but still includes the > ltsp zones. If the ltsp zones are included twice, named won't start. > The second case is that an alternate config file was already > specified in /etc/sysconfig/named. If such a customization was made, > the caching-nameserver-ltsp package should not modify it. > > If either of these conditions are detected, the caching-nameserver-ltsp > package skips adding OPTIONS="-c /etc/named-k12ltsp.conf" to > /etc/sysconfig/named. > > > I would greatly appreciate help in reviewing and testing of this > package on K12LTSP 4.4.1: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-5.k12ltsp.4.4.2.noarch.rpm > > > -Eric I see you do accommodate the case where someone has the bind-chroot rpm installed. I noticed that ltsp.arpa has a duplicate entry for "1". Have you considered having the postinstall script add include "/etc/named-k12ltsp.conf"; at the end of named.conf if it does not already exist? Kind of the reverse of your current implementation, but the relationship with k12ltsp zones would be more obvious, since people often edit named.conf, but overlook /etc/sysconfig/named. Of course if you do so, the line include "/etc/named.conf"; will need to be removed from named-k12ltsp.conf When there is an OPTIONS= line already, but lacking double-quotes, with no prior -c option, addition of the alternate config fails quietly. Otherwise it looks good! Chris -- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #804005699817957 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jan 3 02:14:43 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:14:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Need help testing a different approach for the caching-nameserver-ltsp package In-Reply-To: <43B9C515.2090409@gwi.net> References: <43B9C515.2090409@gwi.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Jan 2006, Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: > >> >> I think I have a graceful work-around for the conflicts between the >> latest named & caching-nameserver package updates and K12LTSP's >> caching-nameserver-ltsp package. >> >> >> Traditionaly, the caching-nameserver-ltsp package was a replacement >> for the caching-nameserver package. In my test package, I make the >> caching-nameserver-ltsp require the caching-nameserver and then >> include both sets of files into an alternate name.conf file: >> >> named is started with an alternate config file by adding >> OPTIONS="-c /etc/named-k12ltsp.conf" to /etc/sysconfig/named. >> /etc/named-k12ltsp.conf includes /etc/named.conf and the ltsp zones. >> >> >> There are two scenarios I have found where this breaks. One is >> that /etc/named.conf has been customized but still includes the >> ltsp zones. If the ltsp zones are included twice, named won't start. >> The second case is that an alternate config file was already >> specified in /etc/sysconfig/named. If such a customization was made, >> the caching-nameserver-ltsp package should not modify it. >> >> If either of these conditions are detected, the caching-nameserver-ltsp >> package skips adding OPTIONS="-c /etc/named-k12ltsp.conf" to >> /etc/sysconfig/named. >> >> >> I would greatly appreciate help in reviewing and testing of this >> package on K12LTSP 4.4.1: >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/caching-nameserver-ltsp-7.3-5.k12ltsp.4.4.2.noarch.rpm >> >> -Eric > > I see you do accommodate the case where someone has the bind-chroot rpm > installed. Yes, I tested that. > I noticed that ltsp.arpa has a duplicate entry for "1". Thanks for catching that, I'll fix it. > Have you considered having the postinstall script add > include "/etc/named-k12ltsp.conf"; > at the end of named.conf if it does not already exist? Kind of the reverse of > your current implementation, but the relationship with k12ltsp zones would be > more obvious, since people often edit named.conf, but overlook > /etc/sysconfig/named. Of course if you do so, the line > include "/etc/named.conf"; > will need to be removed from named-k12ltsp.conf I considered the "reverse implementation", but initially decided against it for two reasons: 1) It is bad form to modify another package's config files. It is less inappropriate to change the system-specific configs in /etc/sysconfig/* 2) It is less reslient to updates. An upgrade of the caching-nameserver package could wipe out the 'include "/etc/named-k12ltsp.conf";' My basic theory is that /etc/sysconfig/named has a lower risk of being modified or replaced by rpm than /etc/named.conf. By including /etc/named.conf from /etc/named-k12ltsp.conf, any changes to /etc/named.conf (whether they be made by the admin or by upstream package updates) will be still be picked up by named. > When there is an OPTIONS= line already, but lacking double-quotes, with no > prior -c option, addition of the alternate config fails quietly. Good point. Now I'll have to actually think about the required regex! (suggestions welcomed ;-) There are at least three valid cases: OPTIONS=something # a single option with no spaces does not need quotes OPTIONS="something=true anotherthing=false" # double quoted options OPTIONS='something=true anotherthing=false' # single quoted options > Otherwise it looks good! > > Chris Thanks for the feedback Chris! -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jan 3 02:18:04 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:18:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Need help testing a different approach for the caching-nameserver-ltsp package In-Reply-To: <1136243391.9394.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1136243391.9394.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Jan 2006, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-01-02 at 15:54, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> There are two scenarios I have found where this breaks. One is >> that /etc/named.conf has been customized but still includes the >> ltsp zones. If the ltsp zones are included twice, named won't start. >> The second case is that an alternate config file was already >> specified in /etc/sysconfig/named. If such a customization was made, >> the caching-nameserver-ltsp package should not modify it. > > This happens with the caching-nameserver package with any > local modifications, not just ltsp's. The best approach is > to not use the caching-nameserver package unless you really > don't want anything but caching (i.e. no local zones or > config file modifications.). The regular bind package > provides caching anyway. This is always going to be the case if a /etc/named.conf (or alternate) is pre-configured. I don't see a way around it. If I'm wrong, please hit me with the clue stick! -Eric From kjetil at knudsen.gs Tue Jan 3 08:06:52 2006 From: kjetil at knudsen.gs (Kjetil Knudsen) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 03:06:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.21 Released Message-ID: <20060103080652.8405AEE243@ws6-1.us4.outblaze.com> > > On Mon, 2 Jan 2006, Kjetil Knudsen wrote: > > >> On 1/1/06, Kjetil Knudsen wrote: > >>> After yum install fl_teachertool i get the following error when > >>> running fl_teachertool: "symbol lookup error: fl_teachertool: > >>> undefined symbol: _ZN9Fl_Widget5labelEPKc" > >>> Any thoughts? > >> > >> What version of k12ltsp are you using? Also, what does this give you > >> > >> rpm -qi fltk > > Fl_teachertool worked until I used yum to get 0.21. I use K12LTSP 4.4.1. > > rpm -qi fltk tells me that I have fltk, version 1.1.4 installed.. > > > > Kjetil Knudsen > > I updated the version of fltk in the repositories. Can you update, > retry fl_teachertool, and let us know if it works or not? > > yum install fltk > I tried this, but no mirrors found when trying to: yum install fltk Kjetil Knudsen -- From brr at brr.no Tue Jan 3 10:00:24 2006 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:00:24 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Caching-nameserver and Rdesktop Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060103105603.020e6640@brr.no> Hello! Thanks! I managed to go around the caching nameserver problem with: yum remove caching-nameserver-ltsp caching-nameserver yum install k12ltsp-core Another "problem": I installed Rdesktop with the command: yum install rdesktop and yum install tsclient It works ok. But: Rdesktop is version 1.4.0 and not the latest 1.4.1. Tried to find a .RPM package with 1.4.1 and found a package with it. But I did not manage to install it because of some dependicies problems. Will 1.4.1 soon be included in the yum databases K12LTSP is using? Anyone who knows? Bjorn Roger Rasmussen *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen ( http://www.brr.no/ ) From swift at msad52.k12.me.us Tue Jan 3 13:51:57 2006 From: swift at msad52.k12.me.us (Randall Swift) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:51:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] disable roaming profiles samba/ldap In-Reply-To: <1326.70.33.151.214.1135964549.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <1326.70.33.151.214.1135964549.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, December 30, 2005 at 12:42 PM -0500 wrote: >cant you simply edit oout the roamaing profiles portion of smb.conf..? >chuck >> Randall Swift wrote: >>> I have a samba/ldap server doing my authentication and storing home >>> directories as well as roaming profiles. How do I disable roaming >>> profiles >>> (setup on core 3 using the smbldap-installer script)? This server has >>> been >>> running for almost a year now can I just simply disable roaming >profiles >>> without it affecting the server? Thanks for the help. >>> >> >> We have roaming profiles too, and I'd love to learn how to disable them! >> They are kind of a "legacy" from the W2K server we had years ago. >> >> Rita Gibson >> RMSELTech >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see I was thinking that you could comment out the profile section in smb.conf. I am not an expert and did not know if this would cause any problems. I really need to know what to do as profiles are a problem with network traffic. I was hoping there was an easy way to do this but with few responses I now don't think it is. Any help is appreciated. Thanks Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Tue Jan 3 15:15:29 2006 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:15:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] disable roaming profiles samba/ldap In-Reply-To: References: <1326.70.33.151.214.1135964549.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <43BA9511.2080905@earthlink.net> >>>>I have a samba/ldap server doing my authentication and storing home >>>>directories as well as roaming profiles. How do I disable roaming >>>>profiles >>>>(setup on core 3 using the smbldap-installer script)? This server has >>>>been >>>>running for almost a year now can I just simply disable roaming >> >>profiles >> >>>>without it affecting the server? Thanks for the help. >>cant you simply edit oout the roamaing profiles portion of smb.conf..? >>chuck >> >>>We have roaming profiles too, and I'd love to learn how to disable them! >>> They are kind of a "legacy" from the W2K server we had years ago. >>> > > I was thinking that you could comment out the profile section in smb.conf. > I am not an expert and did not know if this would cause any problems. I > really need to know what to do as profiles are a problem with network > traffic. I was hoping there was an easy way to do this but with few > responses I now don't think it is. Any help is appreciated. Thanks > I guess I could test it today, with no one in the building I could put it back if it doesn't work, right? Rita Gibson From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Tue Jan 3 15:19:26 2006 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:19:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] disable roaming profiles samba/ldap In-Reply-To: References: <43B55972.6090805@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <43BA95FE.4030507@earthlink.net> Doug Simpson wrote: > Using linux, roaming profiles are no longer a problem for us. We leave > winders alone and do everything on the server. Winders thinks it has > successfully written the roaming profile, but alas, once winders lets go > of the profile share, it is deleted by the system. No more profile > worries! > I don't understand what you did to accomplish this? Rita Gibson > >>Randall Swift wrote: >> >>> I have a samba/ldap server doing my authentication and storing home >>>directories as well as roaming profiles. How do I disable roaming profiles >>>(setup on core 3 using the smbldap-installer script)? This server has been >>>running for almost a year now can I just simply disable roaming profiles >>>without it affecting the server? Thanks for the help. >>> >> >>We have roaming profiles too, and I'd love to learn how to disable them! >> They are kind of a "legacy" from the W2K server we had years ago. >> From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Jan 3 15:36:53 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:36:53 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] disable roaming profiles samba/ldap In-Reply-To: References: <1326.70.33.151.214.1135964549.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: Profiles have to be allowed to be written by XP or you'll get profile errors everytime you login and logout, shutdown, etc. Teacher's profiles are left to work because they generally sit at the same computers regularly, so their profile isn't that much to deal with. But with student computers, it is another story. Every time they login, they get a profile and if they haven't logged in on a computer, that computer then gets a copy of their profile to waste drive space on the local computer, as well as the server drive space. So you have 6 students that use every computer in a classroom over the course of a day. But the students also login on other computers like library and classrooms, which, guess what, also get copies of the wasting-space profiles. Simply turning off profiles in samba will not alleviate this problem anywhere except server drivespace. Every computer that a student logs into gets a profile from somewhere, and likely it is the default profile from the computer they just logged in on, which gets written right back to the same computer, under a different username so now you have two space-wasters and the drudgery continues for every use that ever logs in on that computer. My solution is this follow closely as it might get complicated to some. Also, keep in mind that we run linux on our servers here, but not ldap for login. I know, I still do accounts the old-fashioned way, but you'll see how it may be better this way than using ldap, unless I am just missing something major.. .. First off, the samba server that has the domain that the students login on from student-use computers has the profiles in a different location than the user's home directory, which is the default location. The profiles have their own share on the server. The share is set up with root preexec and post exec that creates the profile location on login and deletes the profile location on logout for the user. Samba sets up the profile location before it turns it over to Windows on login. Windows sets up the profile, and the user keeps it as long as they are logged in. Once they logout, and after winders has written the profile and lets go of the share, the post exec deletes the profile directory. Windows is happy because it wrote the profile successfully, and then the server gets happy because it cleared up the space wasted by the profiles. On the student-access computers, we run DriveShield which is similar to DeepFreeze and other lockdown software. The machines are set up and a default profile is created that contains everything the student's need for that computer. Then the computer is locked down. Unchangeable. When a student logs in on that computer, they have no profile, so winders gets a copy of the default profile, which is minimal to begin with, and gives it to the student. A copy is also written to the hard drive on the computer. But when the student logs off, it is deleted from the server, and then next time the computer is rebooted, that profile is wiped from the computer. So, there is no drive space wasted on either the server or the computer for student access computers. The domain that teachers log into is different than the domain the students login to. Students can't use teacher's computers (security risk) because their login will not work on them. Teacher's logins will not work on student computers, either, but they don't need to anyway. Teachers have access to all student's home directories no matter what computer they are using. I hate profiles! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Randall Swift wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Friday, December 30, 2005 at 12:42 PM -0500 wrote: > >cant you simply edit oout the roamaing profiles portion of smb.conf..? > >chuck > >> Randall Swift wrote: > >>> I have a samba/ldap server doing my authentication and storing home > >>> directories as well as roaming profiles. How do I disable roaming > >>> profiles > >>> (setup on core 3 using the smbldap-installer script)? This server has > >>> been > >>> running for almost a year now can I just simply disable roaming > >profiles > >>> without it affecting the server? Thanks for the help. > >>> > >> > >> We have roaming profiles too, and I'd love to learn how to disable them! > >> They are kind of a "legacy" from the W2K server we had years ago. > >> > >> Rita Gibson > >> RMSELTech > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > I was thinking that you could comment out the profile section in smb.conf. > I am not an expert and did not know if this would cause any problems. I > really need to know what to do as profiles are a problem with network > traffic. I was hoping there was an easy way to do this but with few > responses I now don't think it is. Any help is appreciated. Thanks > > Randy Swift > Network Administrator > Leavitt Area High School > Turner, Maine 04282 > (207)225-3533 > swift at msad52.k12.me.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Jan 3 15:41:43 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:41:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] disable roaming profiles samba/ldap In-Reply-To: <43BA95FE.4030507@earthlink.net> References: <43B55972.6090805@earthlink.net> <43BA95FE.4030507@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I am in a quandary over another issue right this minute, but give me a bit here and I will help you understand. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Rita Gibson wrote: > > Doug Simpson wrote: > > Using linux, roaming profiles are no longer a problem for us. We leave > > winders alone and do everything on the server. Winders thinks it has > > successfully written the roaming profile, but alas, once winders lets go > > of the profile share, it is deleted by the system. No more profile > > worries! > > > I don't understand what you did to accomplish this? > > Rita Gibson > > > > > >>Randall Swift wrote: > >> > >>> I have a samba/ldap server doing my authentication and storing home > >>>directories as well as roaming profiles. How do I disable roaming profiles > >>>(setup on core 3 using the smbldap-installer script)? This server has been > >>>running for almost a year now can I just simply disable roaming profiles > >>>without it affecting the server? Thanks for the help. > >>> > >> > >>We have roaming profiles too, and I'd love to learn how to disable them! > >> They are kind of a "legacy" from the W2K server we had years ago. > >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Jan 3 16:12:02 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:12:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] disable roaming profiles samba/ldap In-Reply-To: References: <1326.70.33.151.214.1135964549.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <56475.169.244.70.148.1136304722.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Jason Ingalls got a startup script going that only roams Desktop and My Documents so most of the windows crap is ignored..The scripts are at wiki.ltsp.org http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WinIntegration#Redirecting_My_Documents_using_n might help you..chuck From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Jan 3 16:33:03 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:33:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] disable roaming profiles samba/ldap In-Reply-To: References: <1326.70.33.151.214.1135964549.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> < > Message-ID: So, here's what you do. Use DeepFreeze and freeze the windows machines. (This is what we do) We use roaming profiles as we want kids and staff to be able to roam freely. DeepFreeze is installed on all windows machines for obvious reasons (to keep Windows intact and to prevent viruses from "sticking"). I have the machines set to login automatically as an admin user (who cares if they do anything...it's frozen and thus won't stick)....to login as themselves they simply log off and login (the auto-login allows me to do admin tasks in bulk such as "thaw-all" and push packages) anyway.....the profiles get written locally as well as to the server, but once the machine reboots all the profiles are gone from the local machine. No worries! :-) DeepFreeze is very inexpensive and worth EVERY penny! "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 at 10:36 AM +0000 wrote: >Profiles have to be allowed to be written by XP or you'll get profile >errors everytime you login and logout, shutdown, etc. > >Teacher's profiles are left to work because they generally sit at the >same >computers regularly, so their profile isn't that much to deal with. > >But with student computers, it is another story. Every time they login, >they get a profile and if they haven't logged in on a computer, that >computer then gets a copy of their profile to waste drive space on the >local computer, as well as the server drive space. So you have 6 students >that use every computer in a classroom over the course of a day. But the >students also login on other computers like library and classrooms, >which, >guess what, also get copies of the wasting-space profiles. > >Simply turning off profiles in samba will not alleviate this problem >anywhere except server drivespace. Every computer that a student logs >into >gets a profile from somewhere, and likely it is the default profile from >the computer they just logged in on, which gets written right back to the >same computer, under a different username so now you have two >space-wasters and the drudgery continues for every use that ever logs in >on that computer. > >My solution is this follow closely as it might get complicated to some. >Also, keep in mind that we run linux on our servers here, but not ldap >for >login. I know, I still do accounts the old-fashioned way, but you'll see >how it may be better this way than using ldap, unless I am just missing >something major.. .. > >First off, the samba server that has the domain that the students login >on >from student-use computers has the profiles in a different location than >the user's home directory, which is the default location. The profiles >have their own share on the server. The share is set up with root >preexec >and post exec that creates the profile location on login and deletes the >profile location on logout for the user. Samba sets up the profile >location before it turns it over to Windows on login. Windows sets up >the >profile, and the user keeps it as long as they are logged in. Once they >logout, and after winders has written the profile and lets go of the >share, the post exec deletes the profile directory. Windows is happy >because it wrote the profile successfully, and then the server gets happy >because it cleared up the space wasted by the profiles. > >On the student-access computers, we run DriveShield which is similar to >DeepFreeze and other lockdown software. The machines are set up and a >default profile is created that contains everything the student's need >for >that computer. Then the computer is locked down. Unchangeable. > >When a student logs in on that computer, they have no profile, so winders >gets a copy of the default profile, which is minimal to begin with, and >gives it to the student. A copy is also written to the hard drive on >the computer. But when the student logs off, it is deleted from the >server, and then next time the computer is rebooted, that profile is >wiped >from the computer. > >So, there is no drive space wasted on either the server or the computer >for student access computers. > >The domain that teachers log into is different than the domain the >students login to. Students can't use teacher's computers (security >risk) >because their login will not work on them. Teacher's logins will not >work >on student computers, either, but they don't need to anyway. Teachers >have >access to all student's home directories no matter what computer they are >using. > >I hate profiles! > >Doug Simpson >Technology Specialist >DeQueen Public Schools >DeQueen, AR 71832 >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >Tux for President! > >On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Randall Swift wrote: > >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >on >> Friday, December 30, 2005 at 12:42 PM -0500 wrote: >> >cant you simply edit oout the roamaing profiles portion of smb.conf..? >> >chuck >> >> Randall Swift wrote: >> >>> I have a samba/ldap server doing my authentication and storing home >> >>> directories as well as roaming profiles. How do I disable roaming >> >>> profiles >> >>> (setup on core 3 using the smbldap-installer script)? This server >has >> >>> been >> >>> running for almost a year now can I just simply disable roaming >> >profiles >> >>> without it affecting the server? Thanks for the help. >> >>> >> >> >> >> We have roaming profiles too, and I'd love to learn how to disable >them! >> >> They are kind of a "legacy" from the W2K server we had years ago. >> >> >> >> Rita Gibson >> >> RMSELTech >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> K12OSN mailing list >> >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >> For more info see >> >> >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >K12OSN mailing list >> >K12OSN at redhat.com >> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >For more info see >> >> I was thinking that you could comment out the profile section in >smb.conf. >> I am not an expert and did not know if this would cause any problems. I >> really need to know what to do as profiles are a problem with network >> traffic. I was hoping there was an easy way to do this but with few >> responses I now don't think it is. Any help is appreciated. Thanks >> >> Randy Swift >> Network Administrator >> Leavitt Area High School >> Turner, Maine 04282 >> (207)225-3533 >> swift at msad52.k12.me.us >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Jan 3 16:34:37 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:34:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] disable roaming profiles samba/ldap In-Reply-To: References: <1326.70.33.151.214.1135964549.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> < > Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, David Trask wrote: > So, here's what you do. Use DeepFreeze and freeze the windows machines. > (This is what we do) We use roaming profiles as we want kids and staff to > be able to roam freely. DeepFreeze is installed on all windows machines > for obvious reasons (to keep Windows intact and to prevent viruses from > "sticking"). I have the machines set to login automatically as an admin > user (who cares if they do anything...it's frozen and thus won't > stick)....to login as themselves they simply log off and login (the > auto-login allows me to do admin tasks in bulk such as "thaw-all" and push > packages) anyway.....the profiles get written locally as well as to the > server, but once the machine reboots all the profiles are gone from the > local machine. No worries! :-) DeepFreeze is very inexpensive and > worth EVERY penny! > The only hole in this method is that you have no way of restricting students who don't follow your AUP. They can just sit down at any computer that is already logged in and go wherever they want and do whatever they want, unrestricted. Our method requires them to have a valid username before they can use any computer, and therefore, we have the ability to lock accounts if needed. Can also unlock automatically for classes where computer use is required, like Word Processing. With DriveShield, you can unlock the computer no matter who is logged in, or even if there is no one logged in on it, from a remote location. In the case of updates, we do not leave autoupdate turned on. We just unlock and update once in awhile. They may be vulnerable, but they are also locked to any ghoulies that get in there are gone upon reboot, anyway. > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, January 03, 2006 at 10:36 AM +0000 wrote: > >Profiles have to be allowed to be written by XP or you'll get profile > >errors everytime you login and logout, shutdown, etc. > > > >Teacher's profiles are left to work because they generally sit at the > >same > >computers regularly, so their profile isn't that much to deal with. > > > >But with student computers, it is another story. Every time they login, > >they get a profile and if they haven't logged in on a computer, that > >computer then gets a copy of their profile to waste drive space on the > >local computer, as well as the server drive space. So you have 6 students > >that use every computer in a classroom over the course of a day. But the > >students also login on other computers like library and classrooms, > >which, > >guess what, also get copies of the wasting-space profiles. > > > >Simply turning off profiles in samba will not alleviate this problem > >anywhere except server drivespace. Every computer that a student logs > >into > >gets a profile from somewhere, and likely it is the default profile from > >the computer they just logged in on, which gets written right back to the > >same computer, under a different username so now you have two > >space-wasters and the drudgery continues for every use that ever logs in > >on that computer. > > > >My solution is this follow closely as it might get complicated to some. > >Also, keep in mind that we run linux on our servers here, but not ldap > >for > >login. I know, I still do accounts the old-fashioned way, but you'll see > >how it may be better this way than using ldap, unless I am just missing > >something major.. .. > > > >First off, the samba server that has the domain that the students login > >on > >from student-use computers has the profiles in a different location than > >the user's home directory, which is the default location. The profiles > >have their own share on the server. The share is set up with root > >preexec > >and post exec that creates the profile location on login and deletes the > >profile location on logout for the user. Samba sets up the profile > >location before it turns it over to Windows on login. Windows sets up > >the > >profile, and the user keeps it as long as they are logged in. Once they > >logout, and after winders has written the profile and lets go of the > >share, the post exec deletes the profile directory. Windows is happy > >because it wrote the profile successfully, and then the server gets happy > >because it cleared up the space wasted by the profiles. > > > >On the student-access computers, we run DriveShield which is similar to > >DeepFreeze and other lockdown software. The machines are set up and a > >default profile is created that contains everything the student's need > >for > >that computer. Then the computer is locked down. Unchangeable. > > > >When a student logs in on that computer, they have no profile, so winders > >gets a copy of the default profile, which is minimal to begin with, and > >gives it to the student. A copy is also written to the hard drive on > >the computer. But when the student logs off, it is deleted from the > >server, and then next time the computer is rebooted, that profile is > >wiped > >from the computer. > > > >So, there is no drive space wasted on either the server or the computer > >for student access computers. > > > >The domain that teachers log into is different than the domain the > >students login to. Students can't use teacher's computers (security > >risk) > >because their login will not work on them. Teacher's logins will not > >work > >on student computers, either, but they don't need to anyway. Teachers > >have > >access to all student's home directories no matter what computer they are > >using. > > > >I hate profiles! > > > >Doug Simpson > >Technology Specialist > >DeQueen Public Schools > >DeQueen, AR 71832 > >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > >Tux for President! > > > >On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Randall Swift wrote: > > > >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >on > >> Friday, December 30, 2005 at 12:42 PM -0500 wrote: > >> >cant you simply edit oout the roamaing profiles portion of smb.conf..? > >> >chuck > >> >> Randall Swift wrote: > >> >>> I have a samba/ldap server doing my authentication and storing home > >> >>> directories as well as roaming profiles. How do I disable roaming > >> >>> profiles > >> >>> (setup on core 3 using the smbldap-installer script)? This server > >has > >> >>> been > >> >>> running for almost a year now can I just simply disable roaming > >> >profiles > >> >>> without it affecting the server? Thanks for the help. > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> We have roaming profiles too, and I'd love to learn how to disable > >them! > >> >> They are kind of a "legacy" from the W2K server we had years ago. > >> >> > >> >> Rita Gibson > >> >> RMSELTech > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> K12OSN mailing list > >> >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> >> For more info see > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >K12OSN mailing list > >> >K12OSN at redhat.com > >> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> >For more info see > >> > >> I was thinking that you could comment out the profile section in > >smb.conf. > >> I am not an expert and did not know if this would cause any problems. I > >> really need to know what to do as profiles are a problem with network > >> traffic. I was hoping there was an easy way to do this but with few > >> responses I now don't think it is. Any help is appreciated. Thanks > >> > >> Randy Swift > >> Network Administrator > >> Leavitt Area High School > >> Turner, Maine 04282 > >> (207)225-3533 > >> swift at msad52.k12.me.us > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jan 3 19:28:41 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:28:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Caching-nameserver and Rdesktop In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060103105603.020e6640@brr.no> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060103105603.020e6640@brr.no> Message-ID: <43BAD069.2010900@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: > I installed Rdesktop with the command: yum install rdesktop and yum > install tsclient > > It works ok. But: Rdesktop is version 1.4.0 and not the latest 1.4.1. > Tried to find a .RPM package with 1.4.1 and found a package with it. But > I did not manage to install it because of some dependicies problems. > Will 1.4.1 soon be included in the yum databases K12LTSP is using? > Anyone who knows? rdesktop is a core package of Fedora. I don't see that they have an update to 1.4.1 in their testing queue, I would assume that there is no rdesktop update for FC4 planned. FC5 test1 has redesktop 1.4.1. If you are adventurous and really need redesktop 1.4.1, you can try rebuilding the src.rpm: ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/SRPMS/rdesktop-1.4.1-3.1.src.rpm rpmbuild --rebuild rdesktop-1.4.1-3.1.src.rpm -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I use K12LTSP 4.4.1. >>>rpm -qi fltk tells me that I have fltk, version 1.1.4 installed.. >>> >>>Kjetil Knudsen >> >>I updated the version of fltk in the repositories. Can you update, >>retry fl_teachertool, and let us know if it works or not? >> >> yum install fltk >> > > I tried this, but no mirrors found when trying to: yum install fltk > > Kjetil Knudsen > Whenever I run into a problem with yum us as this, here is what I do: 1) retry the "yum install" command again 2) if it still fails, I run "yum clean all", then retry the "yum install" command. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Jan 3 19:42:42 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 14:42:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] disable roaming profiles samba/ldap In-Reply-To: References: <1326.70.33.151.214.1135964549.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> < > < > < > Message-ID: We require proxy authentication fo web access.....otherwise yes....they can use Word, Powerpoint...etc David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From gkw-x at shaw.ca Tue Jan 3 22:03:21 2006 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 14:03:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: New amer.com switch troubles Message-ID: <43BAF4A9.2030402@shaw.ca> Hello, I emailed recently about this problem and I want to bring it up again. I have a 1gig switch from amer.com and a 1gig intel nic in my server, but for some reason the connection between the server and the switch will not go over 100meg speed... I have tried a couple commands to tell it to re-negotiate, and to tell it to go at 1000meg/full duplex, but it always ends up back at 100meg/full duplex. This is one of the commands I tried: ethtool -s eth0 duplex full speed 1000 I have had several people suggest the cabling, I will give that another try, but it's a long drive to go in and I would like to have some other options when I do. What commands should I be running to verify the connection, and to change it? Is there any config anywhere that might tell it to use 100meg only? Or is it guaranteed to be a problem outside of the server? I've heard certain kernels have trouble with 1gig speed. I don't know what version I have, but I downloaded k12ltsp in early August. Someone specifically mentioned that kernel version "2.6.11" and earlier has troubles with GB ethernet? Has anyone else ever had similar troubles or did it just magically work? Also, I am pretty sure the cable is cat5e, and cable from the same spool is used between the swithes, and that connection reports 1000meg speed on the switch, so the cable should be fine, correct? Unless that one cable was badly crimped or by sheer bad luck has a flaw. Someone suggested I need cat6 cable, is this true? Thanks for your input! From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jan 3 23:39:28 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 15:39:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: New amer.com switch troubles In-Reply-To: <43BAF4A9.2030402@shaw.ca> References: <43BAF4A9.2030402@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <43BB0B30.1040906@paasda.org> I have 1gig speed on cat 5e... but I did end up having to move my server closer to the switch closet... as the 300+ ft run I had it going over connected initially at 1000...then dropped to 100 sometime later...noticed by the immense lag of 20 machines attempting to access the server at once. gKw-X wrote: > Hello, > > I emailed recently about this problem and I want to bring it up again. I > have a 1gig switch from amer.com and a 1gig intel nic in my server, but > for some reason the connection between the server and the switch will > not go over 100meg speed... > > I have tried a couple commands to tell it to re-negotiate, and to tell > it to go at 1000meg/full duplex, but it always ends up back at > 100meg/full duplex. This is one of the commands I tried: > > ethtool -s eth0 duplex full speed 1000 > > I have had several people suggest the cabling, I will give that another > try, but it's a long drive to go in and I would like to have some other > options when I do. What commands should I be running to verify the > connection, and to change it? Is there any config anywhere that might > tell it to use 100meg only? Or is it guaranteed to be a problem outside > of the server? > > I've heard certain kernels have trouble with 1gig speed. I don't know > what version I have, but I downloaded k12ltsp in early August. Someone > specifically mentioned that kernel version "2.6.11" and earlier has > troubles with GB ethernet? Has anyone else ever had similar troubles or > did it just magically work? > > Also, I am pretty sure the cable is cat5e, and cable from the same spool > is used between the swithes, and that connection reports 1000meg speed > on the switch, so the cable should be fine, correct? Unless that one > cable was badly crimped or by sheer bad luck has a flaw. Someone > suggested I need cat6 cable, is this true? > > Thanks for your input! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Jan 4 01:47:17 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:47:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: New amer.com switch troubles In-Reply-To: <43BAF4A9.2030402@shaw.ca> References: <43BAF4A9.2030402@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Could be a bad switch....I've seen this once before....swapped for a new one and it was fine. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 at 5:03 PM +0000 wrote: >Hello, > >I emailed recently about this problem and I want to bring it up again. I >have a 1gig switch from amer.com and a 1gig intel nic in my server, but >for some reason the connection between the server and the switch will >not go over 100meg speed... > >I have tried a couple commands to tell it to re-negotiate, and to tell >it to go at 1000meg/full duplex, but it always ends up back at >100meg/full duplex. This is one of the commands I tried: > >ethtool -s eth0 duplex full speed 1000 > >I have had several people suggest the cabling, I will give that another >try, but it's a long drive to go in and I would like to have some other >options when I do. What commands should I be running to verify the >connection, and to change it? Is there any config anywhere that might >tell it to use 100meg only? Or is it guaranteed to be a problem outside >of the server? > >I've heard certain kernels have trouble with 1gig speed. I don't know >what version I have, but I downloaded k12ltsp in early August. Someone >specifically mentioned that kernel version "2.6.11" and earlier has >troubles with GB ethernet? Has anyone else ever had similar troubles or >did it just magically work? > >Also, I am pretty sure the cable is cat5e, and cable from the same spool >is used between the swithes, and that connection reports 1000meg speed >on the switch, so the cable should be fine, correct? Unless that one >cable was badly crimped or by sheer bad luck has a flaw. Someone >suggested I need cat6 cable, is this true? > >Thanks for your input! > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From ssanders at coin.org Wed Jan 4 02:22:02 2006 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:22:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] update woes In-Reply-To: References: <1326.70.33.151.214.1135964549.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> < > < > < > Message-ID: <1136341322.31772.5.camel@bofh.ltsp> I am having complete failures on reading the repositories on a default 4.4.1 install (fresh, no upgrade). I am getting an error on the primary.xml.gz when trying yumex also. It starts to go, and will run up to about 10%, then fails. [root at bofh ~]# yum list Repository extras already added, not adding again Setting up repositories k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 48 kB 00:27 http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.1/repodata/primary.xml.gz: [Errno 4] Socket Error: timed out Trying other mirror. Error: failure: repodata/primary.xml.gz from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. After primary.xml.gz fails, it goes up to 100% as displayed above. I am doing this on dialup, but I've updated LTSP for years on dialup. I have not changed the sources.list from default from the install. I can manually download primary.xml.gz but I don't think that helps my update problem. TIA From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Jan 4 04:10:38 2006 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 23:10:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: New amer.com switch troubles In-Reply-To: <43BAF4A9.2030402@shaw.ca> References: <43BAF4A9.2030402@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <43BB4ABE.6080002@stmarys-school.org> Which gig intel nic? http://support.intel.com/support/network/browsebyindex.htm#PRO1000 gKw-X wrote: > Hello, > > I emailed recently about this problem and I want to bring it up again. > I have a 1gig switch from amer.com and a 1gig intel nic in my server, > but for some reason the connection between the server and the switch > will not go over 100meg speed... > > I have tried a couple commands to tell it to re-negotiate, and to tell > it to go at 1000meg/full duplex, but it always ends up back at > 100meg/full duplex. This is one of the commands I tried: > > ethtool -s eth0 duplex full speed 1000 > > I have had several people suggest the cabling, I will give that > another try, but it's a long drive to go in and I would like to have > some other options when I do. What commands should I be running to > verify the connection, and to change it? Is there any config anywhere > that might tell it to use 100meg only? Or is it guaranteed to be a > problem outside of the server? > > I've heard certain kernels have trouble with 1gig speed. I don't know > what version I have, but I downloaded k12ltsp in early August. Someone > specifically mentioned that kernel version "2.6.11" and earlier has > troubles with GB ethernet? Has anyone else ever had similar troubles > or did it just magically work? > > Also, I am pretty sure the cable is cat5e, and cable from the same > spool is used between the swithes, and that connection reports 1000meg > speed on the switch, so the cable should be fine, correct? Unless that > one cable was badly crimped or by sheer bad luck has a flaw. Someone > suggested I need cat6 cable, is this true? > > Thanks for your input! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From haynest at mchsi.com Wed Jan 4 11:25:55 2006 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Thomas E. Haynes) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 06:25:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT File Help In-Reply-To: <43BB4ABE.6080002@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <200601041158.k04BweLi019875@mx3.redhat.com> Folks... This is decidedly off topic, and if I need to be taken to task, I'll ask forgiveness and not do it again. I have a series of files that were created on a Mac in probably the early to mid-90's. The owner is a nice guy but has no more information. He says they were "PowerPoint" slides that were put together by an instructional tech director who has been gone for 10 years. The files have no file extension. Got any clue about how to figure out what they are and how to open them? I have a copy of one of the small ones zipped on the web site if anyone is willing to take a look. http://academies.culver.org/STAGESO0.zip I tried to open them in Word and also in PPT hoping some filter might give me a clue. No haps... Regards... Tom From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Wed Jan 4 14:02:00 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 09:02:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT File Help In-Reply-To: <200601041158.k04BweLi019875@mx3.redhat.com> References: <43BB4ABE.6080002@stmarys-school.org> <200601041158.k04BweLi019875@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060104090200.646c878d@localhost.localdomain> Not sure how helpful this will be, but when I ran "head" on it (like tail but the opposite) -- Ifound this line near the end of the output: Applications:HyperStudio:HS Sounds:Brook.Rpt??? Brook.RptS? For me the MimeType is coming up as plain text. Could it be a HyperStudio Document, and not a PowerPoint Document? On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 06:25:55 -0500 "Thomas E. Haynes" wrote: > Folks... > > This is decidedly off topic, and if I need to be taken to task, I'll ask > forgiveness and not do it again. > > I have a series of files that were created on a Mac in probably the early to > mid-90's. The owner is a nice guy but has no more information. He says they > were "PowerPoint" slides that were put together by an instructional tech > director who has been gone for 10 years. The files have no file extension. > > Got any clue about how to figure out what they are and how to open them? > > I have a copy of one of the small ones zipped on the web site if anyone is > willing to take a look. > > http://academies.culver.org/STAGESO0.zip > > I tried to open them in Word and also in PPT hoping some filter might give > me a clue. No haps... > > Regards... Tom > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- ***************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Jan 4 14:22:21 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:22:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: New amer.com switch troubles In-Reply-To: <43BB4ABE.6080002@stmarys-school.org> References: <43BAF4A9.2030402@shaw.ca> <43BB4ABE.6080002@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, January 3, 2006 at 11:10 PM +0000 wrote: >Which gig intel nic? > >http://support.intel.com/support/network/browsebyindex.htm#PRO1000 oooh! One issue you might also run into....if it has a Marvell chipset (only certain ones bother) you may also have an issue. Is this an onboard NIC? Intel motherboards are now coming (often as I have some) with dual NIC's but one is done with one chipset and the other with another. On one of my servers...it shows up as one being an Intel and one being a Marvell...even though it is a genuine Intel mobo. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From kjetil at knudsen.gs Wed Jan 4 14:31:38 2006 From: kjetil at knudsen.gs (Kjetil Knudsen) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:31:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.21 Released Message-ID: <20060104143138.6FF4EEE306@ws6-1.us4.outblaze.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Harrison" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.21 Released Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:32:05 -0800 > > Kjetil Knudsen wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 2 Jan 2006, Kjetil Knudsen wrote: > >> > >> > >>>> On 1/1/06, Kjetil Knudsen wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> After yum install fl_teachertool i get the following error when > >>>>> running fl_teachertool: "symbol lookup error: fl_teachertool: > >>>>> undefined symbol: _ZN9Fl_Widget5labelEPKc" > >>>>> Any thoughts? > >>>> > >>>> What version of k12ltsp are you using? Also, what does this give you > >>>> > >>>> rpm -qi fltk > >>> > >>> Fl_teachertool worked until I used yum to get 0.21. I use K12LTSP 4.4.1. > >>> rpm -qi fltk tells me that I have fltk, version 1.1.4 installed.. > >>> > >>> Kjetil Knudsen > >> > >> I updated the version of fltk in the repositories. Can you update, > >> retry fl_teachertool, and let us know if it works or not? > >> > >> yum install fltk > >> > > > > I tried this, but no mirrors found when trying to: yum install fltk > > > > Kjetil Knudsen > > > > > Whenever I run into a problem with yum us as this, here is what I do: > > 1) retry the "yum install" command again > > 2) if it still fails, I run "yum clean all", then retry the "yum > install" command. > > -Eric Nope. That did not do it. Yum works great. But It can not find any mirrors when trying to install fltk.. Kjetil Knudsen -- From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 15:20:35 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 07:20:35 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP and California Educators Show Message-ID: I'm providing 40 thin-client Linux / Open Source lab at the CUE.org show in March in Palm Springs, California. We're doing a series of workshops on open source programs for education in the lab, and will have information on linux and open source for the attendees of the show. The computers will also be their main email garden, and where the attendees fill out their show evaluations. We'll also be providing printing services, specifically for attendess to print boarding passes for flights home. We have seven presentation hours scheduled, the tentative outline is here: http://www.writely.com/View.aspx?docid=bacgk3ggdtgkb Just letting the group know. Feedback most welcome. Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jan 4 15:57:53 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 07:57:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta #2 of K12LTSP 4.2.2EL, last chance for bug reports Message-ID: <43BBF081.6020503@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Beta #2 ISOs for K12LTSP 4.2.2EL have been uploaded. This is a very minor update, only the libtool, smpeg, gc, and root-desktop-urls packages have been updated. Libtool is an official CentOS 4.2 update. Smpeg is used by tuxpaint, tuxmath, tuxtype, and gcompris. Gc is used by inkscape. The 64 bit version had an older build of the root-desktop-urls package, this has been updated to match the 32 bit version. Barring a show-stopping bug report, these will be released as the official K12LTSP 4.2.2EL at the end of the week. 32 bit (i386) ------------- ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.2EL-32bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.2EL-32bit/iso/ . 64 bit (amd64/x86_64) --------------------- ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.2EL-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-4.2.2-64bit-test/iso/ . -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is one of the commands I tried: > > ethtool -s eth0 duplex full speed 1000 > > I have had several people suggest the cabling, I will give that another > try, but it's a long drive to go in and I would like to have some other > options when I do. What commands should I be running to verify the > connection, and to change it? Is there any config anywhere that might > tell it to use 100meg only? Or is it guaranteed to be a problem outside > of the server? > > I've heard certain kernels have trouble with 1gig speed. I don't know > what version I have, but I downloaded k12ltsp in early August. Someone > specifically mentioned that kernel version "2.6.11" and earlier has > troubles with GB ethernet? Has anyone else ever had similar troubles or > did it just magically work? > > Also, I am pretty sure the cable is cat5e, and cable from the same spool > is used between the swithes, and that connection reports 1000meg speed > on the switch, so the cable should be fine, correct? Unless that one > cable was badly crimped or by sheer bad luck has a flaw. Someone > suggested I need cat6 cable, is this true? It can be true. If the the quality of the signal is is not very good, then the speed go low due to the autonegotiated function between cards and switch. Marian. PS: Try the short test cable /cca 2m/ !!! > > Thanks for your input! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jan 4 16:43:21 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 08:43:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.21 Released In-Reply-To: <20060104143138.6FF4EEE306@ws6-1.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060104143138.6FF4EEE306@ws6-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <43BBFB29.2060609@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Kjetil Knudsen wrote: > > Nope. That did not do it. Yum works great. But It can not find any mirrors when trying to install fltk.. > > Kjetil Knudsen > > Something must be broken with your yum config, the fltk package is included in two different repositories, k12ltsp and extras. What do you see when you run "yum list fltk"? If you have fltk 1.1.4 installed, it should look something like this: # yum list fltk Setting up repositories k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files Installed Packages fltk.i386 1.1.4-10.fc4 installed Available Packages fltk.i386 1.1.6-1.fc4 k12ltsp -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed Jan 4 16:53:40 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:53:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Doing the pivot_root nfs server not responding Message-ID: Hello All, I have come back to school and started up our two k12ltsp servers and am having some big problems. Here's the history: My technician replaced a Netgear 8 port gig switch with a 16 port Dlink gig switch over the XMas holidays. This switch is the first one that the two k12 servers connect to. We did have several good power failures and surges during the holidays- my servers were shut down (but I use upss), while all of our switches remained plugged in and not protected. Now the fun stuff- All but two of our 13 library clients refuse to get past the doing the pivot_root nfs server not responding line at start up. I have moved it into my classroom that seems to be functioning ok- 30 clients on another k12 server. I start the library boxes by pxe boot but the library box can not start in my room... same network... same error... Another classroom across the hall with 28 stations of really old boxes is fully functional. These boot from the same server as the library boxes... Windows boxes on the library switch work... ?????? HELP!!! From ericbrow at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 16:59:24 2006 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:59:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: New amer.com switch troubles In-Reply-To: <000401c6114a$b0bce7a0$0500a8c0@Marian> References: <43BAF4A9.2030402@shaw.ca> <000401c6114a$b0bce7a0$0500a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: I would really try a cat6 cable. They are made for faster speed because they separate the twisted pairs so that there is less interference. You need a really good clean signal between the gigabit devices in order to get the full gigabit connection. I ended up purchasing 500ft of cat6 off e-bay to make my own. This cost me as much as the 20ft patch cable from most vendors. You still use regular RJ-45 ends. Good Luck, Eric On 1/4/06, M.Pribik wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gKw-X" > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 11:03 PM > Subject: [K12OSN] Re: New amer.com switch troubles > > > > Hello, > > > > I emailed recently about this problem and I want to bring it up again. I > > have a 1gig switch from amer.com and a 1gig intel nic in my server, but > > for some reason the connection between the server and the switch will > > not go over 100meg speed... > > > > I have tried a couple commands to tell it to re-negotiate, and to tell > > it to go at 1000meg/full duplex, but it always ends up back at > > 100meg/full duplex. This is one of the commands I tried: > > > > ethtool -s eth0 duplex full speed 1000 > > > > I have had several people suggest the cabling, I will give that another > > try, but it's a long drive to go in and I would like to have some other > > options when I do. What commands should I be running to verify the > > connection, and to change it? Is there any config anywhere that might > > tell it to use 100meg only? Or is it guaranteed to be a problem outside > > of the server? > > > > I've heard certain kernels have trouble with 1gig speed. I don't know > > what version I have, but I downloaded k12ltsp in early August. Someone > > specifically mentioned that kernel version "2.6.11" and earlier has > > troubles with GB ethernet? Has anyone else ever had similar troubles or > > did it just magically work? > > > > Also, I am pretty sure the cable is cat5e, and cable from the same spool > > is used between the swithes, and that connection reports 1000meg speed > > on the switch, so the cable should be fine, correct? Unless that one > > cable was badly crimped or by sheer bad luck has a flaw. Someone > > suggested I need cat6 cable, is this true? > > It can be true. If the the quality of the signal is is not very good, then > the speed go > low due to the autonegotiated function between cards and switch. > Marian. > PS: Try the short test cable /cca 2m/ !!! > > > > > Thanks for your input! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rcataldo at mfvexpo.com Wed Jan 4 17:07:22 2006 From: rcataldo at mfvexpo.com (Bob Cataldo) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:07:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Doing the pivot_root nfs server not responding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BC00CA.3040503@mfvexpo.com> Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hello All, > > I have come back to school and started up our two k12ltsp servers and > am having some big problems. > > Here's the history: > My technician replaced a Netgear 8 port gig switch with a 16 port > Dlink gig switch over the XMas holidays. > This switch is the first one that the two k12 servers connect to. > We did have several good power failures and surges during the > holidays- my servers were shut down (but I use upss), while all of > our switches remained plugged in and not protected. > > Now the fun stuff- > > All but two of our 13 library clients refuse to get past the doing the > pivot_root nfs server not responding line at start up. > I have moved it into my classroom that seems to be functioning ok- 30 > clients on another k12 server. I start the library boxes by pxe boot > but the library box can not start in my room... same network... same > error... > > Another classroom across the hall with 28 stations of really old boxes > is fully functional. These boot from the same server as the library > boxes... > > Windows boxes on the library switch work... > > ?????? HELP!!! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Jim, Try turning off Spanning Tree Protocol on the switch. We had this problem with Dell switches. This blocked some of our computers from seeing the servers. Our Dell switches lost their configurations when we has 2 days of power outage. We kept good documentation from when we set up the switches and found the problem right away. Bob Cataldo MFVEXPO From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed Jan 4 17:26:24 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:26:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Doing the pivot_root nfs server not responding In-Reply-To: <43BC00CA.3040503@mfvexpo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob, We are using cheap unmanaged switches... Any other ideas? Thank you, Jim ------------------------------------------------------------ >Hello All, > >I have come back to school and started up our two k12ltsp servers and am >having some big problems. > >Here's the history: >My technician replaced a Netgear 8 port gig switch with a 16 port Dlink gig >switch over the XMas holidays. >This switch is the first one that the two k12 servers connect to. >We did have several good power failures and surges during the holidays- my >servers were shut down (but I use upss), while all of our switches remained >plugged in and not protected. > >Now the fun stuff- > >All but two of our 13 library clients refuse to get past the doing the >pivot_root nfs server not responding line at start up. >I have moved it into my classroom that seems to be functioning ok- 30 >clients on another k12 server. I start the library boxes by pxe boot but >the library box can not start in my room... same network... same error... > >Another classroom across the hall with 28 stations of really old boxes is >fully functional. These boot from the same server as the library boxes... > >Windows boxes on the library switch work... > >?????? HELP!!! > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Jim, Try turning off Spanning Tree Protocol on the switch. We had this problem with Dell switches. This blocked some of our computers from seeing the servers. Our Dell switches lost their configurations when we has 2 days of power outage. We kept good documentation from when we set up the switches and found the problem right away. Bob Cataldo MFVEXPO From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jan 4 17:51:14 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:51:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Doing the pivot_root nfs server not responding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BC0B12.4090709@paasda.org> I had this problem and it was merely a bad ethernet cable. --Huck Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hi Bob, > > We are using cheap unmanaged switches... > Any other ideas? > > Thank you, Jim > ------------------------------------------------------------ > >> Hello All, >> >> I have come back to school and started up our two k12ltsp servers and >> am having some big problems. >> >> Here's the history: >> My technician replaced a Netgear 8 port gig switch with a 16 port >> Dlink gig switch over the XMas holidays. >> This switch is the first one that the two k12 servers connect to. >> We did have several good power failures and surges during the >> holidays- my servers were shut down (but I use upss), while all of >> our switches remained plugged in and not protected. >> >> Now the fun stuff- >> >> All but two of our 13 library clients refuse to get past the doing the >> pivot_root nfs server not responding line at start up. >> I have moved it into my classroom that seems to be functioning ok- 30 >> clients on another k12 server. I start the library boxes by pxe boot >> but the library box can not start in my room... same network... same >> error... >> >> Another classroom across the hall with 28 stations of really old boxes >> is fully functional. These boot from the same server as the library >> boxes... >> >> Windows boxes on the library switch work... >> >> ?????? HELP!!! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > Jim, > > Try turning off Spanning Tree Protocol on the switch. > We had this problem with Dell switches. This blocked some of our > computers from seeing the servers. Our Dell switches lost their > configurations when we has 2 days of power outage. We kept good > documentation from when we set up the switches and found the problem > right away. > > Bob Cataldo > MFVEXPO > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From robark at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 18:12:36 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:12:36 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.21 Released In-Reply-To: <43BBFB29.2060609@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20060104143138.6FF4EEE306@ws6-1.us4.outblaze.com> <43BBFB29.2060609@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On 1/4/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > Kjetil Knudsen wrote: > > > > > Nope. That did not do it. Yum works great. But It can not find any mirrors when trying to install fltk.. > > > > Something must be broken with your yum config, the fltk package is > included in two different repositories, k12ltsp and extras. I can confirm yum is working to install fl_teachertool and all it's dependencies for me with 4.2.1EL. You can always download it manually from here ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.4.1/RPMS/updates/ Although this does not fix your yum problem. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From mthostenson at ci.owatonna.mn.us Wed Jan 4 19:25:00 2006 From: mthostenson at ci.owatonna.mn.us (Mike Thostenson) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:25:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.2EL Beta1&2 iso images Disc 2 problem Message-ID: <1B0FBB437B30CF4A8FEAAC0AC608ECF5363F@exchange1.owatonna.local> I have a new Dell PowerEdge 430 that will be serving a few Wyse S50 terminals. I downloaded Beta1 yesterday and tried installing today with no luck...it wouldn't accept disc 2 no matter what. The error was "That's not the correct CentOS-4 x86_64 CDROM." So I started poking around some lists and saw that there were a couple others who experienced the same problem..but there were no solutions. I then saw that there were some Beta2 iso's sitting out there and thought...hmm that should do the trick. I downloaded them and burned all 5 discs and started the install. Same thing...stopped after disc1 and wouldn't accept disc 2. I tried inserting all discs...no good. Please gimme a shout if you have a solution. Thanks! Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbetts at msad52.k12.me.us Wed Jan 4 19:31:37 2006 From: sbetts at msad52.k12.me.us (Sharon Betts) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:31:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] suggested vendors In-Reply-To: <1B0FBB437B30CF4A8FEAAC0AC608ECF5363F@exchange1.owatonna.local> References: <1B0FBB437B30CF4A8FEAAC0AC608ECF5363F@exchange1.owatonna.local> Message-ID: When you need new terminals for a LTSP installation -- where do you go? Sharon Betts Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.k12.me.us The supreme accomplishment is to blur the line between work and play. ~Arnold Toynbee From sbetts at msad52.k12.me.us Wed Jan 4 19:31:37 2006 From: sbetts at msad52.k12.me.us (Sharon Betts) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:31:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] suggested vendors In-Reply-To: <1B0FBB437B30CF4A8FEAAC0AC608ECF5363F@exchange1.owatonna.local> References: <1B0FBB437B30CF4A8FEAAC0AC608ECF5363F@exchange1.owatonna.local> Message-ID: When you need new terminals for a LTSP installation -- where do you go? Sharon Betts Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.k12.me.us The supreme accomplishment is to blur the line between work and play. ~Arnold Toynbee From scott at remc1.org Wed Jan 4 19:34:38 2006 From: scott at remc1.org (Scott Sherrill) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:34:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] suggested vendors In-Reply-To: References: <1B0FBB437B30CF4A8FEAAC0AC608ECF5363F@exchange1.owatonna.local> Message-ID: <43BC234E.6090904@remc1.org> Sharon Betts wrote: >When you need new terminals for a LTSP installation -- where do you go? > > I have been real happy with Disklessworkstations.com I have several of the HP thin clients and they work great. Scott From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed Jan 4 19:44:42 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:44:42 -0700 Subject: Solved- Re: [K12OSN] Help! Doing the pivot_root nfs server not responding In-Reply-To: <43BC0B12.4090709@paasda.org> Message-ID: Hello Huck, Thanks. The new switch was the culprit... The old broken 8 port switch is back in place and we seem to be working. After coming back to a building where the heat was shut off, maintenance done in all of the ceillings... we were getting panicky not knowing where to look next. Thanks again, Jim --------------------------- From: Huck To: jim at linux.ca, "Support list for opensource software in schools." Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Help! Doing the pivot_root nfs server not responding Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:51:14 -0800 I had this problem and it was merely a bad ethernet cable. --Huck Jim Christiansen wrote: >Hi Bob, > >We are using cheap unmanaged switches... >Any other ideas? > >Thank you, Jim >------------------------------------------------------------ > >>Hello All, >> >>I have come back to school and started up our two k12ltsp servers and am >>having some big problems. >> >>Here's the history: >>My technician replaced a Netgear 8 port gig switch with a 16 port Dlink >>gig switch over the XMas holidays. >>This switch is the first one that the two k12 servers connect to. >>We did have several good power failures and surges during the holidays- >>my servers were shut down (but I use upss), while all of our switches >>remained plugged in and not protected. >> >>Now the fun stuff- >> >>All but two of our 13 library clients refuse to get past the doing the >>pivot_root nfs server not responding line at start up. >>I have moved it into my classroom that seems to be functioning ok- 30 >>clients on another k12 server. I start the library boxes by pxe boot but >>the library box can not start in my room... same network... same error... >> >>Another classroom across the hall with 28 stations of really old boxes is >>fully functional. These boot from the same server as the library boxes... >> >>Windows boxes on the library switch work... >> >>?????? HELP!!! >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > >Jim, > >Try turning off Spanning Tree Protocol on the switch. >We had this problem with Dell switches. This blocked some of our computers >from seeing the servers. Our Dell switches lost their configurations when >we has 2 days of power outage. We kept good documentation from when we set >up the switches and found the problem right away. > >Bob Cataldo >MFVEXPO > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From julius at turtle.com Wed Jan 4 19:45:24 2006 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:45:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] suggested vendors In-Reply-To: References: <1B0FBB437B30CF4A8FEAAC0AC608ECF5363F@exchange1.owatonna.local> Message-ID: <49493.216.216.171.3.1136403924.squirrel@216.216.171.3> > When you need new terminals for a LTSP installation -- where do you go? > > Sharon Betts all you need is a box that will network boot. the lowest end lindows pc from wallmart works just fine at less than $200. julius From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jan 4 19:57:34 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:57:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] suggested vendors In-Reply-To: <49493.216.216.171.3.1136403924.squirrel@216.216.171.3> References: <1B0FBB437B30CF4A8FEAAC0AC608ECF5363F@exchange1.owatonna.local> <49493.216.216.171.3.1136403924.squirrel@216.216.171.3> Message-ID: <43BC28AE.3040407@paasda.org> yeah it really depends on what you want. Aesthetics and functionality or pure functionality. workspace limitations? a full-on desktop might not be the answer. Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >>When you need new terminals for a LTSP installation -- where do you go? >> >>Sharon Betts > > > all you need is a box that will network boot. the lowest end lindows pc > from wallmart works just fine at less than $200. > julius > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From scott at hosef.org Wed Jan 4 19:52:07 2006 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:52:07 -1000 Subject: Solved- Re: [K12OSN] Help! Doing the pivot_root nfs server not responding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BC2767.7020309@hosef.org> Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hello Huck, > > Thanks. The new switch was the culprit... The old broken 8 port switch > is back in place and we seem to be working. Yes. It is the Switch. I exhausted this topic last year. https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-August/msg00591.html I currently have $600 in unusable TrendWare switches. I tried Cat5, Cat5e, Cat6, remade them all, tried the wiki nfs solution, etc. I finally had to conclude that the engineering behind some cheaper Gig switches was not good enough for the physics behind NFS. It sounds nuts, but I have found no other explanation that borders on logic. > > After coming back to a building where the heat was shut off, maintenance > done in all of the ceillings... we were getting panicky not knowing > where to look next. > > Thanks again, Jim --scott From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Wed Jan 4 19:52:51 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:52:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] suggested vendors In-Reply-To: References: <1B0FBB437B30CF4A8FEAAC0AC608ECF5363F@exchange1.owatonna.local> Message-ID: <43BC2793.3050209@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Sharon Betts wrote: > When you need new terminals for a LTSP installation -- where do you go? > I tend to rely on the community, which is generally more than happy to donate their old Pentium II machines to the local school district, and those make fine LTSP terminals at zero cost, although I like to make sure they have the same NIC for sanity's sake, so figure $30 per terminal, including keyboard, monitor, and mouse. Cheers, Mike Ely From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Jan 4 19:54:31 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:54:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] suggested vendors Message-ID: <20060104125431.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.dea888a48d.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> We buy the HP T5515 thin clients from Technology America. We have been real happy with HPs support of the thin clients. I am sure that you can buy from HP direct through the education rep. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] suggested vendors > From: "Sharon Betts" > Date: Wed, January 04, 2006 1:31 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Cc: > > When you need new terminals for a LTSP installation -- where do you go? > > Sharon Betts > Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 > 59 Cobb Rd > Turner, ME 04282 > 207-225-4565 > sbetts at msad52.k12.me.us > The supreme accomplishment is to blur the line between work and play. > ~Arnold Toynbee > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From scott at hosef.org Wed Jan 4 20:01:23 2006 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:01:23 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] suggested vendors In-Reply-To: <43BC28AE.3040407@paasda.org> References: <1B0FBB437B30CF4A8FEAAC0AC608ECF5363F@exchange1.owatonna.local> <49493.216.216.171.3.1136403924.squirrel@216.216.171.3> <43BC28AE.3040407@paasda.org> Message-ID: <43BC2993.6010101@hosef.org> Huck wrote: > yeah it really depends on what you want. > Aesthetics and functionality or pure functionality. > workspace limitations? a full-on desktop might not be the answer. If buying, disklessworkstations. It keeps food on Jim's table, and what is good for the LTSP is good for us. If not buying, *please* turn to your community and get if for free. This upcoming year, as folks believe that they *need* a new computer to upgrade to the vista, we will be deluged by worthy clients. Use the money you don't spend on the kids. With the UBF or a properly modified grub installation, you really can use pretty much any pci NIC. --scott From gkw-x at shaw.ca Wed Jan 4 20:03:23 2006 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:03:23 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: New amer.com switch troubles In-Reply-To: References: <43BAF4A9.2030402@shaw.ca> <43BB4ABE.6080002@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <43BC2A0B.9000309@shaw.ca> The 10/100/1000 is a PCI card. There is an onboard NIC but it is only 10/100 and it is being used for the incoming internet. Both are running on an "eepro" driver (and I know the driver name said "100" and "1000" respectively). David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, January 3, 2006 at 11:10 PM +0000 wrote: > >>Which gig intel nic? >> >>http://support.intel.com/support/network/browsebyindex.htm#PRO1000 > > > > oooh! One issue you might also run into....if it has a Marvell chipset > (only certain ones bother) you may also have an issue. Is this an onboard > NIC? Intel motherboards are now coming (often as I have some) with dual > NIC's but one is done with one chipset and the other with another. On one > of my servers...it shows up as one being an Intel and one being a > Marvell...even though it is a genuine Intel mobo. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From gkw-x at shaw.ca Wed Jan 4 20:01:47 2006 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 12:01:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: New amer.com switch troubles In-Reply-To: <43BB4ABE.6080002@stmarys-school.org> References: <43BAF4A9.2030402@shaw.ca> <43BB4ABE.6080002@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <43BC29AB.2070300@shaw.ca> I'll try to find out, I'm not sure exactly. The quotes I have from the people that built the server don't say, I'll have to ask at the school for the original receipt or crack open the case. It's working with one of the "eepro" drivers, I believe. John Baillie wrote: > Which gig intel nic? > > http://support.intel.com/support/network/browsebyindex.htm#PRO1000 > > > gKw-X wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I emailed recently about this problem and I want to bring it up again. >> I have a 1gig switch from amer.com and a 1gig intel nic in my server, >> but for some reason the connection between the server and the switch >> will not go over 100meg speed... >> >> I have tried a couple commands to tell it to re-negotiate, and to tell >> it to go at 1000meg/full duplex, but it always ends up back at >> 100meg/full duplex. This is one of the commands I tried: >> >> ethtool -s eth0 duplex full speed 1000 >> >> I have had several people suggest the cabling, I will give that >> another try, but it's a long drive to go in and I would like to have >> some other options when I do. What commands should I be running to >> verify the connection, and to change it? Is there any config anywhere >> that might tell it to use 100meg only? Or is it guaranteed to be a >> problem outside of the server? >> >> I've heard certain kernels have trouble with 1gig speed. I don't know >> what version I have, but I downloaded k12ltsp in early August. Someone >> specifically mentioned that kernel version "2.6.11" and earlier has >> troubles with GB ethernet? Has anyone else ever had similar troubles >> or did it just magically work? >> >> Also, I am pretty sure the cable is cat5e, and cable from the same >> spool is used between the swithes, and that connection reports 1000meg >> speed on the switch, so the cable should be fine, correct? Unless that >> one cable was badly crimped or by sheer bad luck has a flaw. Someone >> suggested I need cat6 cable, is this true? >> >> Thanks for your input! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed Jan 4 20:09:55 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:09:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Two more problems on starting up system after Christmas break... #1 Message-ID: I've come upon two more problems today- The first is: [root at linux-thin1 ~]# cat /var/log/messages | grep hdc Jan 4 12:29:17 linux-thin1 kernel: hdc: tray open Jan 4 12:29:17 linux-thin1 kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 0 Jan 4 12:29:17 linux-thin1 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 0 but [root at linux-thin1 ~]# df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 147G 54G 86G 39% / /dev/hdb1 72G 49G 20G 72% /1 none 1.8G 0 1.8G 0% /dev/shm I don't even have a hdc device... From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed Jan 4 20:12:31 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:12:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Two more problems on starting up system after Christmas break... #2 Message-ID: The second thing that comes up is when I su into root on the server I always get this printed out in the console... [jim at linux-thin1 ~]$ su - Password: -bash: [: lib01: unary operator expected -bash: [: lib02: unary operator expected -bash: [: lib03: unary operator expected . . . -bash: [: ws028: unary operator expected Things seem to be working though but I don't know why I'm getting this. Jim From scott at hosef.org Wed Jan 4 20:13:22 2006 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 10:13:22 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Two more problems on starting up system after Christmas break... #1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BC2C62.5070602@hosef.org> Jim Christiansen wrote: > I've come upon two more problems today- > > The first is: > [root at linux-thin1 ~]# cat /var/log/messages | grep hdc > > Jan 4 12:29:17 linux-thin1 kernel: hdc: tray open > Jan 4 12:29:17 linux-thin1 kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, > sector 0 > Jan 4 12:29:17 linux-thin1 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, > logical block 0 This is your CD drive, I believe. Note the tray open comment. > > but > > [root at linux-thin1 ~]# df -h > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda1 147G 54G 86G 39% / > /dev/hdb1 72G 49G 20G 72% /1 > none 1.8G 0 1.8G 0% /dev/shm > > I don't even have a hdc device... Unless you have the drive mounted, you won't see it. Look at /etc/fstab to see how your system mounts hdc. --scott From les at futuresource.com Wed Jan 4 20:58:16 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:58:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Two more problems on starting up system after Christmas break... #1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1136408296.516.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 14:09, Jim Christiansen wrote: > I've come upon two more problems today- > > The first is: > [root at linux-thin1 ~]# cat /var/log/messages | grep hdc > > Jan 4 12:29:17 linux-thin1 kernel: hdc: tray open > Jan 4 12:29:17 linux-thin1 kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector > 0 > Jan 4 12:29:17 linux-thin1 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical > block 0 > > but > > [root at linux-thin1 ~]# df -h > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda1 147G 54G 86G 39% / > /dev/hdb1 72G 49G 20G 72% /1 > none 1.8G 0 1.8G 0% /dev/shm > > I don't even have a hdc device... /dev/hdc is usually the cdrom device and those might be normal errors if something tries to access it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Wed Jan 4 21:00:58 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:00:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Two more problems on starting up system after Christmas break... #2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1136408457.516.19.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 14:12, Jim Christiansen wrote: > The second thing that comes up is when I su into root on the server I always > get this printed out in the console... > > [jim at linux-thin1 ~]$ su - > Password: > -bash: [: lib01: unary operator expected > -bash: [: lib02: unary operator expected > -bash: [: lib03: unary operator expected > . > . > . > -bash: [: ws028: unary operator expected > > Things seem to be working though but I don't know why I'm getting this. Do you have a syntax error in root's .bashrc file? An ls -alrt in root's home will show what changed recently at the bottom of the list. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 21:05:02 2006 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 13:05:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Two more problems on starting up system after Christmas break... #2 In-Reply-To: <1136408457.516.19.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1136408457.516.19.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <69b790a80601041305t5d3b4e6bydbb0b668dcafcf21@mail.gmail.com> On 1/4/06, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 14:12, Jim Christiansen wrote: > > The second thing that comes up is when I su into root on the server I always > > get this printed out in the console... > > > > [jim at linux-thin1 ~]$ su - > > Password: > > -bash: [: lib01: unary operator expected > > -bash: [: lib02: unary operator expected > > -bash: [: lib03: unary operator expected > > . > > . > > . > > -bash: [: ws028: unary operator expected > > > > Things seem to be working though but I don't know why I'm getting this. > > Do you have a syntax error in root's .bashrc file? An > ls -alrt in root's home will show what changed recently > at the bottom of the list. Wont a comparison on an undefined variable get that error also? From les at futuresource.com Wed Jan 4 21:14:47 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:14:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Two more problems on starting up system after Christmas break... #2 In-Reply-To: <69b790a80601041305t5d3b4e6bydbb0b668dcafcf21@mail.gmail.com> References: <1136408457.516.19.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <69b790a80601041305t5d3b4e6bydbb0b668dcafcf21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1136409287.516.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 15:05, Roger wrote: > > > The second thing that comes up is when I su into root on the server I always > > > get this printed out in the console... > > > > > > [jim at linux-thin1 ~]$ su - > > > Password: > > > -bash: [: lib01: unary operator expected > > > -bash: [: lib02: unary operator expected > > > -bash: [: lib03: unary operator expected > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > -bash: [: ws028: unary operator expected > > > > > > Things seem to be working though but I don't know why I'm getting this. > > > > Do you have a syntax error in root's .bashrc file? An > > ls -alrt in root's home will show what changed recently > > at the bottom of the list. > > Wont a comparison on an undefined variable get that error also? If it isn't double-quoted, but I'd call that a syntax error. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From andy at spitcomp.com Wed Jan 4 19:42:33 2006 From: andy at spitcomp.com (Andrew Fisk) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:42:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT File Help In-Reply-To: <20060104090200.646c878d@localhost.localdomain> References: <43BB4ABE.6080002@stmarys-school.org> <200601041158.k04BweLi019875@mx3.redhat.com> <20060104090200.646c878d@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I tried it with the hyperstudio plugin for ie, and get a message that the stack is damaged, you might want to try hyper stufio support -- of course it could just be an issue with QT 6 vs QT 4 or running ie in an classic window under OSX. or try it on a mac still running somekind of classic OS http://www.hyperstudio.com/ Let us knwo how you make out ! Have fun Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Jan 4, 2006, at 9:02 AM, Gentgeen wrote: > > Not sure how helpful this will be, but when I ran "head" on it (like > tail but the opposite) -- found this line near the end of the output: > > Applications:HyperStudio:HS Sounds:Brook.Rpt??? Brook.RptS? > > For me the MimeType is coming up as plain text. > > Could it be a HyperStudio Document, and not a PowerPoint Document? > > > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 06:25:55 -0500 > "Thomas E. Haynes" wrote: > >> Folks... >> >> This is decidedly off topic, and if I need to be taken to task, I'll > ask >> forgiveness and not do it again. >> >> I have a series of files that were created on a Mac in probably the > early to >> mid-90's. The owner is a nice guy but has no more information. He >> says > they >> were "PowerPoint" slides that were put together by an instructional > tech >> director who has been gone for 10 years. The files have no file > extension. >> >> Got any clue about how to figure out what they are and how to open > them? >> >> I have a copy of one of the small ones zipped on the web site if > anyone is >> willing to take a look. >> >> http://academies.culver.org/STAGESO0.zip >> >> I tried to open them in Word and also in PPT hoping some filter might > give >> me a clue. No haps... >> >> Regards... 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URL: From gkw-x at shaw.ca Thu Jan 5 00:36:38 2006 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:36:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: New amer.com switch troubles In-Reply-To: References: <43BAF4A9.2030402@shaw.ca> <000401c6114a$b0bce7a0$0500a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: <43BC6A16.70402@shaw.ca> Well, I swapped in a different cat5e and magically it jumped up to 1000megs speed, so there you go! I'm going to get a cat6 cable anyways, just to make sure there are no bottlenecks there. Thank you everyone! The teachers were very happy, another "2 minute victory" for the computer guy :P Eric Brown wrote: > I would really try a cat6 cable. They are made for faster speed > because they separate the twisted pairs so that there is less > interference. You need a really good clean signal between the gigabit > devices in order to get the full gigabit connection. > > I ended up purchasing 500ft of cat6 off e-bay to make my own. This > cost me as much as the 20ft patch cable from most vendors. You still > use regular RJ-45 ends. > > Good Luck, > Eric > > On 1/4/06, M.Pribik wrote: > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "gKw-X" >>To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >>Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 11:03 PM >>Subject: [K12OSN] Re: New amer.com switch troubles >> >> >> >>>Hello, >>> >>>I emailed recently about this problem and I want to bring it up again. I >>>have a 1gig switch from amer.com and a 1gig intel nic in my server, but >>>for some reason the connection between the server and the switch will >>>not go over 100meg speed... >>> >>>I have tried a couple commands to tell it to re-negotiate, and to tell >>>it to go at 1000meg/full duplex, but it always ends up back at >>>100meg/full duplex. This is one of the commands I tried: >>> >>>ethtool -s eth0 duplex full speed 1000 >>> >>>I have had several people suggest the cabling, I will give that another >>>try, but it's a long drive to go in and I would like to have some other >>>options when I do. What commands should I be running to verify the >>>connection, and to change it? Is there any config anywhere that might >>>tell it to use 100meg only? Or is it guaranteed to be a problem outside >>>of the server? >>> >>>I've heard certain kernels have trouble with 1gig speed. I don't know >>>what version I have, but I downloaded k12ltsp in early August. Someone >>>specifically mentioned that kernel version "2.6.11" and earlier has >>>troubles with GB ethernet? Has anyone else ever had similar troubles or >>>did it just magically work? >>> >>>Also, I am pretty sure the cable is cat5e, and cable from the same spool >>>is used between the swithes, and that connection reports 1000meg speed >>>on the switch, so the cable should be fine, correct? Unless that one >>>cable was badly crimped or by sheer bad luck has a flaw. Someone >>>suggested I need cat6 cable, is this true? >> >>It can be true. If the the quality of the signal is is not very good, then >>the speed go >>low due to the autonegotiated function between cards and switch. >>Marian. >>PS: Try the short test cable /cca 2m/ !!! >> >> >>>Thanks for your input! >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From haynest at mchsi.com Thu Jan 5 01:21:37 2006 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Thomas E. Haynes) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:21:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT File Help In-Reply-To: <20060104090200.646c878d@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200601050152.k051q6RJ021013@mx3.redhat.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Gentgeen > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 9:02 AM > To: haynest at mchsi.com; Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT File Help > > > Not sure how helpful this will be, but when I ran "head" on it (like > tail but the opposite) -- Ifound this line near the end of the output: > > Applications:HyperStudio:HS Sounds:Brook.Rpt??? Brook.RptS? > > For me the MimeType is coming up as plain text. > > Could it be a HyperStudio Document, and not a PowerPoint Document? Folks... I appreciate the help on this. It is in fact a Hyperstudio file, and we have a few licenses and an install CD that we have used with summer school labs in the past. I will figure out a way to open these, and I suspect the current wintel software will do the trick. The dates on the files were 1994 and 1995 - whoohoo Thanks again... Tom From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Jan 5 03:01:09 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:01:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Resurrecting TOSE (the Open Source Educator) Message-ID: Hi all, Now that the holidays have passed I was wondering about revisiting the idea of TOSE (The Open Source Educator E-Zine) similar to Tux mag. The wiki is located at http://www.vcsvikings.org/tose/doku.php We really need some folks to post articles if we intend to do anything. Can you help at all? If so....post one! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Thu Jan 5 02:54:32 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:54:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Resurrecting TOSE (the Open Source Educator) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BC8A68.6070805@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Hey David, I'm too lazy to move this into a post, but feel free to grab my IPCop-IPSecuritas HOWTO from http://www.taupehat.com/vpn =] Cheers, Mike David Trask wrote: > Hi all, > > Now that the holidays have passed I was wondering about revisiting the > idea of TOSE (The Open Source Educator E-Zine) similar to Tux mag. The > wiki is located at http://www.vcsvikings.org/tose/doku.php We really > need some folks to post articles if we intend to do anything. Can you > help at all? If so....post one! :-) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From kjetil at knudsen.gs Thu Jan 5 06:41:38 2006 From: kjetil at knudsen.gs (Kjetil Knudsen) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 01:41:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.21 Released Message-ID: <20060105064138.8178E2F960@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com> > > Kjetil Knudsen wrote: > > > > > Nope. That did not do it. Yum works great. But It can not find > > any mirrors when trying to install fltk.. > > > > Kjetil Knudsen > > > > > > > Something must be broken with your yum config, the fltk package is > included in two different repositories, k12ltsp and extras. > > What do you see when you run "yum list fltk"? If you have fltk 1.1.4 > installed, it should look something like this: > > > # yum list fltk > Setting up repositories > k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > Reading repository metadata in from local files > Installed Packages > fltk.i386 1.1.4-10.fc4 installed > Available Packages > fltk.i386 1.1.6-1.fc4 k12ltsp > > > > -Eric Yes, it looks like this: Setting up repositories k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 livna 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 413 kB 00:01 updates-re: ################################################## 1146/1146 Added 340 new packages, deleted 200 old in 3.54 seconds Installed Packages fltk.i386 1.1.4-9 installed Available Packages fltk.i386 1.1.6-1.fc4 k12ltsp All of our four K12 servers report the same problem. When "yum install fltk" I get this error: Content-Length: 263 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Cache: MISS from cache.censornet.local Proxy-Connection: close Trying other mirror. fltk-fluid-1.1.6-1.fc4.i386.rpm 8.0 kB 00:00 http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/fedora/extras/4/i386/RPMS/updates/fltk-fluid-1.1.6-1.fc4.i386.rpm: [Errno -1] Header is not complete. Trying other mirror. Error: failure: RPMS/updates/fltk-fluid-1.1.6-1.fc4.i386.rpm from extras: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. It looks perhaps like the problem is related to our proxy-server.. I will try to yum without the proxy. Thanks for all your help... Kjetil Knudsen -- From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jan 5 06:52:02 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:52:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.21 Released In-Reply-To: <20060105064138.8178E2F960@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060105064138.8178E2F960@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Kjetil Knudsen wrote: >> >> Kjetil Knudsen wrote: >> >>> >>> Nope. That did not do it. Yum works great. But It can not find >>> any mirrors when trying to install fltk.. >>> >>> Kjetil Knudsen >>> >>> >> >> >> Something must be broken with your yum config, the fltk package is >> included in two different repositories, k12ltsp and extras. >> >> What do you see when you run "yum list fltk"? If you have fltk 1.1.4 >> installed, it should look something like this: >> >> >> # yum list fltk >> Setting up repositories >> k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 >> webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 >> extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 >> base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 >> Reading repository metadata in from local files >> Installed Packages >> fltk.i386 1.1.4-10.fc4 installed >> Available Packages >> fltk.i386 1.1.6-1.fc4 k12ltsp >> >> >> >> -Eric > > Yes, it looks like this: > Setting up repositories > k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > livna 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > Reading repository metadata in from local files > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 413 kB 00:01 > updates-re: ################################################## 1146/1146 > Added 340 new packages, deleted 200 old in 3.54 seconds > Installed Packages > fltk.i386 1.1.4-9 installed > Available Packages > fltk.i386 1.1.6-1.fc4 k12ltsp > > All of our four K12 servers report the same problem. When "yum install fltk" I get this error: > Content-Length: 263 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 > X-Cache: MISS from cache.censornet.local > Proxy-Connection: close > Trying other mirror. > fltk-fluid-1.1.6-1.fc4.i386.rpm 8.0 kB 00:00 > http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/fedora/extras/4/i386/RPMS/updates/fltk-fluid-1.1.6-1.fc4.i386.rpm: [Errno -1] Header is not complete. > Trying other mirror. > Error: failure: RPMS/updates/fltk-fluid-1.1.6-1.fc4.i386.rpm from extras: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. > > It looks perhaps like the problem is related to our proxy-server.. I will try to yum without the proxy. Thanks for all your help... > > Kjetil Knudsen Yes, it is likely a problem with your proxy. Since the fltk packages are in more than repository, a quick-and-dirty work around is to disable the repository that is giving you problems: yum --disablerepo=extras install fltk -Eric From irwan at magnifix.com.my Thu Jan 5 07:10:54 2006 From: irwan at magnifix.com.my (Mohd Irwan Jamaluddin) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:10:54 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] suggested vendors In-Reply-To: References: <1B0FBB437B30CF4A8FEAAC0AC608ECF5363F@exchange1.owatonna.local> Message-ID: <1136445054.3272.56.camel@kuli.magnifix.com.my> On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 14:31 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote: > When you need new terminals for a LTSP installation -- where do you go? http://www.magnifix.com.my/mag-prod/thin-client.html -- Regards, +--------------------------------+ | Mohd Irwan Jamaluddin | | ## System Engineer, | | (o_ Magnifix Sdn. Bhd. | | //\ Tel: +603 42705073 | | V_/_ Fax: +603 42701960 | | http://www.magnifix.com/ | +--------------------------------+ From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 5 11:02:07 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 03:02:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] suggested vendors In-Reply-To: <43BC2993.6010101@hosef.org> Message-ID: <20060105110207.215.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- "R. Scott Belford" wrote: > With the UBF or a properly modified grub > installation, you really can > use pretty much any pci NIC. and if you decide you don't want to mess w/ boot floppies or modifying grub, www.disklessworkstations.com has bootable network cards for as low as $20. I've bought a couple of the $20 models and have been happy w/ them. (and no more floppy drive "grunting") -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From toddobryan at mac.com Thu Jan 5 11:04:18 2006 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:04:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] suggested vendors In-Reply-To: <1136445054.3272.56.camel@kuli.magnifix.com.my> References: <1B0FBB437B30CF4A8FEAAC0AC608ECF5363F@exchange1.owatonna.local> <1136445054.3272.56.camel@kuli.magnifix.com.my> Message-ID: On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 14:31 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote: > When you need new terminals for a LTSP installation -- where do you > go? Does anyone know of a place with instructions and guidance for people who might want to build their own? Also, is it any cheaper? I was thinking of trying to put together a micro ATX case--not as sleek as the thin clients you can buy that are built as thin clients, but pretty cool nonetheless. Anybody have experience with something similar? Todd From jhalfpenny at excite.com Thu Jan 5 12:43:05 2006 From: jhalfpenny at excite.com (John Halfpenny) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:43:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Keyboard problem (again) Message-ID: <20060105124305.E4EDD3759E@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> Hi Everyone, I recently installed K12LTSP (looks very promising by the way) and got my workstation to boot, but the keyboard doesn't respond. I've searched around for a solution but the only ones I can find seem to relate to AT style keyboards or an error which needed a fix on earlier releases of the OS (I'm using 4.4.1). Sorry to paste configs, but I've kept it as short as I can! Presently I've edited the lts.conf keyboard section to look like this # Keyboards XkbSymbols = "us(pc101)" XkbModel = "pc105" XkbLayout = "gb" XkbCompat = "default" XkbTypes = "default" And in a last ditch attempt to match it up to the server (as they both use ps/2 keyboards) I edited the build_x4_config file too- Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" Option "XkbRules" "${XKBRULES:-"xorg"}" Option "XkbLayout" "${XKBLAYOUT:-"gb"}" Option "XkbModel" "${XKBMODEL:-"pc105"}" EndSection But still no joy. Anyone know of anything else I can try? TIA John _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! From kjetil at knudsen.gs Thu Jan 5 13:07:01 2006 From: kjetil at knudsen.gs (Kjetil Knudsen) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 08:07:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.21 Released Message-ID: <20060105130701.942114F53E@ws6-5.us4.outblaze.com> > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Kjetil Knudsen wrote: > >> > >> Kjetil Knudsen wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Nope. That did not do it. Yum works great. But It can not find > >>> any mirrors when trying to install fltk.. > >>> > >>> Kjetil Knudsen > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> Something must be broken with your yum config, the fltk package is > >> included in two different repositories, k12ltsp and extras. > >> > >> What do you see when you run "yum list fltk"? If you have fltk 1.1.4 > >> installed, it should look something like this: > >> > >> > >> # yum list fltk > >> Setting up repositories > >> k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > >> webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > >> extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > >> base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > >> Reading repository metadata in from local files > >> Installed Packages > >> fltk.i386 1.1.4-10.fc4 installed > >> Available Packages > >> fltk.i386 1.1.6-1.fc4 k12ltsp > >> > >> > >> > >> -Eric > > > > Yes, it looks like this: > > Setting up repositories > > k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > > livna 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > > updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > > webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > > extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > > base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > > Reading repository metadata in from local files > > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 413 kB 00:01 > > updates-re: ################################################## 1146/1146 > > Added 340 new packages, deleted 200 old in 3.54 seconds > > Installed Packages > > fltk.i386 1.1.4-9 installed > > Available Packages > > fltk.i386 1.1.6-1.fc4 k12ltsp > > > > All of our four K12 servers report the same problem. When "yum > > install fltk" I get this error: > > Content-Length: 263 > > Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 > > X-Cache: MISS from cache.censornet.local > > Proxy-Connection: close > > Trying other mirror. > > fltk-fluid-1.1.6-1.fc4.i386.rpm 8.0 kB 00:00 > > http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/fedora/extras/4/i386/RPMS/updates/fltk-fluid-1.1.6-1.fc4.i386.rpm: [Errno -1] Header is not > > complete. > > Trying other mirror. > > Error: failure: RPMS/updates/fltk-fluid-1.1.6-1.fc4.i386.rpm from > > extras: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. > > > > It looks perhaps like the problem is related to our > > proxy-server.. I will try to yum without the proxy. Thanks for > > all your help... > > > > Kjetil Knudsen > > > Yes, it is likely a problem with your proxy. > > Since the fltk packages are in more than repository, a quick-and-dirty > work around is to disable the repository that is giving you problems: > > yum --disablerepo=extras install fltk > > > -Eric That did it... Thank you..... Kjetil Knudsen -- From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Thu Jan 5 15:04:41 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:04:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Keyboard problem (again) In-Reply-To: <20060105124305.E4EDD3759E@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> References: <20060105124305.E4EDD3759E@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> Message-ID: This may seem weird, but I've had this problem before using certain machines. Turning off ACPI in the BIOS fixed the problem for me. Give it a try and see what happens. Brad On Jan 5, 2006, at 6:43 AM, John Halfpenny wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I recently installed K12LTSP (looks very promising by the way) and > got my workstation to boot, but the keyboard doesn't respond. > > I've searched around for a solution but the only ones I can find > seem to relate to AT style keyboards or an error which needed a fix > on earlier releases of the OS (I'm using 4.4.1). > > Sorry to paste configs, but I've kept it as short as I can! > > Presently I've edited the lts.conf keyboard section to look like this > > # Keyboards > XkbSymbols = "us(pc101)" > XkbModel = "pc105" > XkbLayout = "gb" > XkbCompat = "default" > XkbTypes = "default" > > And in a last ditch attempt to match it up to the server (as they > both use ps/2 keyboards) I edited the build_x4_config file too- > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Keyboard0" > Driver "kbd" > Option "XkbRules" "${XKBRULES:-"xorg"}" > Option "XkbLayout" "${XKBLAYOUT:-"gb"}" > Option "XkbModel" "${XKBMODEL:-"pc105"}" > EndSection > > > But still no joy. Anyone know of anything else I can try? > > TIA > > John > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhbarr at gozelle.com Thu Jan 5 15:20:50 2006 From: dhbarr at gozelle.com (David H. Barr) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:20:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] suggested vendors In-Reply-To: References: <1B0FBB437B30CF4A8FEAAC0AC608ECF5363F@exchange1.owatonna.local> <1136445054.3272.56.camel@kuli.magnifix.com.my> Message-ID: The Matsonic MSCLE boards looked pretty attractive to me at one point; don't know if they'd work out, but they are approximately a PIII 800 equivalent machine with onboard audio, video, LAN, and CPU. I've never been able to test my theory, but it -sounds- like just add a $20 matx case / PS and you'd be good to go. Caveat Emptor, YMMV, etc. -dhbarr. On 1/5/06, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 14:31 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote: > > When you need new terminals for a LTSP installation -- where do you > > go? > > Does anyone know of a place with instructions and guidance for people > who might want to build their own? Also, is it any cheaper? I was > thinking of trying to put together a micro ATX case--not as sleek as > the thin clients you can buy that are built as thin clients, but > pretty cool nonetheless. > > Anybody have experience with something similar? > > Todd > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Jan 5 19:00:20 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:00:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] video cards Message-ID: <43BD6CC4.8060806@inlandlakes.org> Anyone know any vendors that sell *cheap* PCI video cards that work well with LTSP? I have some old IBM computers that work nicely in every facet except video -- I figure some new cards would breathe life into the old beasties. I can't seem to find any cheap video cards at any of my normal vendors though... Thanks, -Shawn From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jan 5 19:23:52 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:23:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] video cards In-Reply-To: <43BD6CC4.8060806@inlandlakes.org> References: <43BD6CC4.8060806@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <43BD7248.4050409@paasda.org> MX400 32MB/DDR/PCI Store ID: vg-pci-jat-004 $41 * Graphics engine: MX440 * Memory size: 64MB * Interface: PCI 2.1 * Output: 2-VGA * Microsoft? DirectX and OpenGL 1.3 support at http://www.enuinc.com/ how it has 64mb in the desc and 32mb in the title I have no idea ;) Shawn Powers wrote: > Anyone know any vendors that sell *cheap* PCI video cards that work well > with LTSP? I have some old IBM computers that work nicely in every > facet except video -- I figure some new cards would breathe life into > the old beasties. > > I can't seem to find any cheap video cards at any of my normal vendors > though... > > Thanks, > -Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From JRuff at Sihope.com Thu Jan 5 19:41:29 2006 From: JRuff at Sihope.com (John G Ruff) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 13:41:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] video cards In-Reply-To: <43BD7248.4050409@paasda.org> References: <43BD6CC4.8060806@inlandlakes.org> <43BD7248.4050409@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1136490089.19584.70.camel@johnruff.openyx.com> I think that ENU has their descriptions reversed for the single and dual head versions of the card. jr On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 11:23 -0800, Huck wrote: > MX400 32MB/DDR/PCI > Store ID: vg-pci-jat-004 > $41 > > * Graphics engine: MX440 > * Memory size: 64MB > * Interface: PCI 2.1 > * Output: 2-VGA > * Microsoft? DirectX and OpenGL 1.3 support > > at http://www.enuinc.com/ > > how it has 64mb in the desc and 32mb in the title I have no idea ;) > > Shawn Powers wrote: > > Anyone know any vendors that sell *cheap* PCI video cards that work well > > with LTSP? I have some old IBM computers that work nicely in every > > facet except video -- I figure some new cards would breathe life into > > the old beasties. > > > > I can't seem to find any cheap video cards at any of my normal vendors > > though... > > > > Thanks, > > -Shawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jamie at listserv.newberg.k12.or.us Fri Jan 6 01:32:43 2006 From: jamie at listserv.newberg.k12.or.us (Jamie McParland) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:32:43 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader for Linux??? Message-ID: I was wondering is any one got Accelerated Reader working under a Linux client? We're toying with the web based solution from Renaissance.. Any one have experience with this? Is Accelerated Reader the only game in town for this type of application? Thanks, Jamie McParland. Newberg Public Schools From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Jan 6 02:32:37 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:32:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader for Linux??? Message-ID: <20060105193237.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.384c3cfeef.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> We have just purchased the Renaissance Place products. We should have it up and running in a couple of weeks. I will post the results to this group. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader for Linux??? > From: Jamie McParland > Date: Thu, January 05, 2006 7:32 pm > To: K12 Linux > > I was wondering is any one got Accelerated Reader working under a Linux > client? We're toying with the web based solution from Renaissance.. Any one > have experience with this? > > Is Accelerated Reader the only game in town for this type of application? > > Thanks, > Jamie McParland. > Newberg Public Schools > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ahodson at elp.rr.com Fri Jan 6 03:25:02 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:25:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] suggested vendors In-Reply-To: References: <1B0FBB437B30CF4A8FEAAC0AC608ECF5363F@exchange1.owatonna.local> <1136445054.3272.56.camel@kuli.magnifix.com.my> Message-ID: Longhorns admirers and others ;-) I am surprised nobody has mentioned the thin clients (and servers, and Boot Appliances and software and...) from Symbio-technologies... Go to http://www.thesymbiont.com/ for some of the best products, and support around... Gideon Romm (one of the partners) is a regular contributor here in k12osn... They diserve our support too. cheers Alan Hodson El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org/ -=o=- >The Matsonic MSCLE boards looked pretty attractive to me at one point; >don't know if they'd work out, but they are approximately a PIII 800 >equivalent machine with onboard audio, video, LAN, and CPU. I've >never been able to test my theory, but it -sounds- like just add a $20 >matx case / PS and you'd be good to go. Caveat Emptor, YMMV, etc. > >-dhbarr. > > >On 1/5/06, Todd O'Bryan wrote: >> On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 14:31 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote: >> > When you need new terminals for a LTSP installation -- where do you >> > go? >> >> Does anyone know of a place with instructions and guidance for people >> who might want to build their own? Also, is it any cheaper? I was >> thinking of trying to put together a micro ATX case--not as sleek as >> the thin clients you can buy that are built as thin clients, but >> pretty cool nonetheless. >> >> Anybody have experience with something similar? >> >> Todd >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 05:15:03 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 00:15:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Tl_TeacherTool tribulations In-Reply-To: <1136029281.17822.6.camel@vigor4> References: <43B59FC0.7000305@maltzen.net> <1136029281.17822.6.camel@vigor4> Message-ID: <9bd317560601052115x753b480t62cea8dd7fae6b0@mail.gmail.com> Hey Immanuel, You had mentioned on the list that you got vnc viewing working with Fl_TeacherTool. I would love to know how you did that. Could you pass on the procedure sometime? Thanks so much, Peter On 12/31/05, Immanuel Derks wrote: > Even cooler would be to be able to use the standard remote desktop > feature already build into Fedora/RHES. I don't know if that is > technicaly possible but as far as I know it is derivate vnc code. > That way there is no need to tinker with the default LTSP setup. > > We got the Fl_TeacherTool working for monitoring by incorporating xvnc > during bootup of the clients, editing a vncpasswd etc etc. > > > On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 14:59 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > > This is really cool! Thanks, Robert! > > > > FYI, the Lock/Launch screensaver button didn't work with the one Mac client I tested it > > with. I haven't tried it with any PC clients yet. > > > > Any chance Chuck's X11VNC stuff, as described at > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#x11vnc > > can be incorporated in a future release? The VNCReflector gives us the inverse, of > > pushing a window out for all users to see. But being able to see what's on a given > > client's screen would be really useful, too. > > > > Petre > > > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > Eric is including fl_tt into k12ltsp so you don't have to compile it > > > yourself. Just a simple > > > > > > #yum install fl_teachertool > > > > > > should work for k12ltsp 4.4.1 and 4.2.1EL. If you are running an > > > earlier version then yes you will need to install the compiler and > > > install it manually until Eric adds it to those versions yum repos. > > > But I would recommend you wait a few days. I am just about to release > > > version 0.21 (probably) tommorrow. I'm pretty much finished it but I'm > > > just testing now. 0.21 has some nice fixes. *No more xhost needed* > > > which closes a big security hole. > > > Plus some fixes to the new distribute file function. > > > -- > > > Robert Arkiletian > > > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > Immanuel Derks > Translucent Systems > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ssanders at coin.org Fri Jan 6 05:27:48 2006 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:27:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] update woes In-Reply-To: <1136341322.31772.5.camel@bofh.ltsp> References: <1326.70.33.151.214.1135964549.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> < > < > < > <1136341322.31772.5.camel@bofh.ltsp> Message-ID: <1136525268.27600.7.camel@bofh.ltsp> > Reading repository metadata in from local files > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 48 kB > 00:27 > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.1/repodata/primary.xml.gz: > [Errno 4] Socket Error: timed out > Trying other mirror. > Error: failure: repodata/primary.xml.gz from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No > more mirrors to try. I am still having failure downloading primary.xml.gz no matter whether I use yum or yumex. If I select the only repository for webmin, or macromedia (or both), it does complete (it's very small). If I select any other repositories at all, it goes for varying amounts of time then always fails with the timeout error. It will fail anywhere from 10% to as much as 90%. Everything is default. I can manually download primary.xml.gz which tends to make me think the repo path/filenames are correct. I have cleared the cache with yum clean, no difference. [root at bofh]# yum clean all Repository extras already added, not adding again Cleaning up Everything 0 headers removed 0 packages removed 8 metadata files removed 0 cache files removed 1 cache files removed What am I doing wrong? From ssanders at coin.org Fri Jan 6 06:11:27 2006 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 00:11:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] update woes-FIXED In-Reply-To: <1136525268.27600.7.camel@bofh.ltsp> References: <1326.70.33.151.214.1135964549.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> < > < > < > <1136341322.31772.5.camel@bofh.ltsp> <1136525268.27600.7.camel@bofh.ltsp> Message-ID: <1136527887.27600.13.camel@bofh.ltsp> There is a timeout parameter (in seconds) that doesn't appear to be in the default /etc/yum.conf or /etc/yumex.conf I changed it to 60, and then it completed. This probably is a function of me being on dialup, but it never timed out before. From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 6 11:19:57 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:19:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] newark, nj schools Message-ID: <20060106111957.2785.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anyone on this list from Newark, NJ? I'm trying to get some info on the schools in Newark and what their computer needs are. I'm trying to set up a service project for some college students, involving a K12LTSP lab. -Rob __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From jhalfpenny at excite.com Fri Jan 6 15:05:55 2006 From: jhalfpenny at excite.com (John Halfpenny) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:05:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Keyboard problem (again) Message-ID: <20060106150555.B60F0299D2@xprdmailfe22.nwk.excite.com> hi brad, thanks for replying. i agree having found some weird bios related things before, but this one doesn't have any options for acpi! bah. think i'll try another machine... ;-) --- On Thu 01/05, Brad Johnson < bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us > wrote: From: Brad Johnson [mailto: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us] To: jhalfpenny at excite.com, k12osn at redhat.com Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:04:41 -0600 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Keyboard problem (again) This may seem weird, but I've had this problem before using certain
machines. Turning off ACPI in the BIOS fixed the problem for me.
Give it a try and see what happens.

Brad
On Jan 5, 2006, at 6:43 AM, John Halfpenny wrote:

>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I recently installed K12LTSP (looks very promising by the way) and
> got my workstation to boot, but the keyboard doesn't respond.
>
> I've searched around for a solution but the only ones I can find
> seem to relate to AT style keyboards or an error which needed a fix
> on earlier releases of the OS (I'm using 4.4.1).
>
> Sorry to paste configs, but I've kept it as short as I can!
>
> Presently I've edited the lts.conf keyboard section to look like this
>
> # Keyboards
> XkbSymbols = "us(pc101)"
> XkbModel = "pc105"
> XkbLayout = "gb"
> XkbCompat = "default"
> XkbTypes = "default"
>
> And in ! a last ditch attempt to match it up to the server (as they
> both use ps/2 keyboards) I edited the build_x4_config file too-
>
> Section "InputDevice"
> Identifier "Keyboard0"
> Driver "kbd"
> Option "XkbRules" "${XKBRULES:-"xorg"}"
> Option "XkbLayout" "${XKBLAYOUT:-"gb"}"
> Option "XkbModel" "${XKBMODEL:-"pc105"}"
> EndSection
>
>
> But still no joy. Anyone know of anything else I can try?
>
> TIA
>
> John
>
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From jhalfpenny at excite.com Fri Jan 6 15:09:11 2006 From: jhalfpenny at excite.com (John Halfpenny) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:09:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] gnome login errors Message-ID: <20060106150911.C6B922998C@xprdmailfe22.nwk.excite.com> hi. i'm having a real problem with gnome on a default install of k12 4.4.1. i can only login to gnome with ldap users if i login as runlevel 3 first and then startx manually, root works fine from runlevel 5 startup. after being told my login lasted for less than 10 seconds, the output of my error is this /etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with wtmp and utmp /etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/Default: running: /usr/X11R6/bin/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x "/var/gdm/:0.Xservers" -h "" -l ":0" "john" /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession: line 76: /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session gnome-session: No such file or directory /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession: line 76: exec: /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session gnome-session: No such file or directory i've been through umpteen searches on google and am totally stumped as to why i'm receiving this error. it seems to do it on my FC3 install and K12LTSP. having been at it for the best part of two days i have tried all these things- checked permissions on /tmp checked permissions and availability on users home folder checked disk space on both nfs and local server uninstalled / reinstalled gnome-session uninstalled / reinstalled gdm i don't know which file it is referring to in the error, ssh-agent, dbus-launch and gnome-session are all in /usr/bin. if anyone out there has any idea at all why this is happening i would be extremely grateful- as i've mentioned my users can all log into run level 3, and they can all run gnome if the machine starts up in run level 3 before starting x! how odd! TIA john _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! From les at futuresource.com Fri Jan 6 19:09:17 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:09:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SME beta virtual machine available Message-ID: <1136574557.5257.96.camel@moola.futuresource.com> If you have downloaded the free VMware player and have any interest in the new version of SMEserver, a pre-built installation of SME version 7, beta9 is at: http://ftp.surfnet.nl/ftp/pub/os/Linux/distr/smeserver/contribs/hanscees/ This is the version built on a Centos4.2 base. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From william at fragakis.com Fri Jan 6 21:01:03 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:01:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Accelerated Reader for Linux??? Message-ID: Sometimes searching google or archives can save your email program from having to work too hard ;-) As I've reported here previously, AR clients work fine under Firefox in k12ltsp on the web based version. We've run into a kink with Star Early Literacy but AR, Star Reading and Star Math work fine. Make sure the flash and adobe reader plug-ins are installed correctly. We have to install flash by hand (which isn't hard, just follow the instructions in the terminal program). It, again, was the keystone which enabled us to leave Windows and go k12ltsp. Literature from the company referencing running Windows, etc refers only to the server. Regards, William Fragakis morrisbrandon.com > I was wondering is any one got Accelerated Reader working under a Linux > client? We're toying with the web based solution from Renaissance.. > Any one > have experience with this? > > Is Accelerated Reader the only game in town for this type of > application? From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Fri Jan 6 21:35:06 2006 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:35:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] gnome login errors In-Reply-To: <20060106150911.C6B922998C@xprdmailfe22.nwk.excite.com> References: <20060106150911.C6B922998C@xprdmailfe22.nwk.excite.com> Message-ID: <5C86930D-C078-4BB2-91E6-0EDAED2F196D@independence.k12.ia.us> what is hosting your ldap services?? OS X? If so, make sure your users have a default login shell chosen. By default, my users on my os x server did not have a login shell chosen, and I rangled with this exact issue for months before I figured this out. Brad On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:09 AM, John Halfpenny wrote: > > hi. i'm having a real problem with gnome on a default install of > k12 4.4.1. > > i can only login to gnome with ldap users if i login as runlevel 3 > first and then startx manually, root works fine from runlevel 5 > startup. > > after being told my login lasted for less than 10 seconds, the > output of my error is this > > /etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with wtmp > and utmp > /etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/Default: running: /usr/X11R6/bin/sessreg -a > -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x "/var/gdm/:0.Xservers" -h "" - > l ":0" "john" > /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession: line 76: /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/dbus- > launch --exit-with-session gnome-session: No such file or directory > /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession: line 76: exec: /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/ > dbus-launch --exit-with-session gnome-session: No such file or > directory > > i've been through umpteen searches on google and am totally stumped > as to why i'm receiving this error. it seems to do it on my FC3 > install and K12LTSP. > > having been at it for the best part of two days i have tried all > these things- > > checked permissions on /tmp > checked permissions and availability on users home folder > checked disk space on both nfs and local server > uninstalled / reinstalled gnome-session > uninstalled / reinstalled gdm > > i don't know which file it is referring to in the error, ssh-agent, > dbus-launch and gnome-session are all in /usr/bin. > > if anyone out there has any idea at all why this is happening i > would be extremely grateful- as i've mentioned my users can all log > into run level 3, and they can all run gnome if the machine starts > up in run level 3 before starting x! > > how odd! > > TIA > > john > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com Fri Jan 6 22:26:03 2006 From: nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com (Nick Fenger) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:26:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM as default in 4.4....still need some help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060106222603.1296.qmail@web60713.mail.yahoo.com> Robert, 2 questions Is this still the method you would recommend to make icewm the only option for all users? https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-August/msg00645.html ...And... Will the script you sent (below) work with those changes to give only a specific UID access to Gnome? Thanks, Nick Robert Arkiletian wrote: On 8/25/05, David Trask wrote: > Hey folks, > > I still need some help with the whole IceWM as the default in gdm on > K12LTSP 4.4 (FC 4). Things have changed and you can't simply go into the > config file and set DefaultDesktop=icewm.desktop as it won't really be the > System Default. I've followed a couple of the suggestions earlier, but > they either take everything away except IceWM...(I'd still like to be able > to get to Gnome for some management stuff) if you followed my previous post you can block everything except icewm. Hence /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM will be executed for everyone. Now all you need to do is figure out your UID. Lets pretend your UID is 500. Stick this if [ $UID -eq 500 ];then exec /usr/bin/gnome-session exit 0 fi at the beginning of etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM so you will be the only one who gets in using GNOME. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jan 7 00:21:50 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:21:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] first build of K12LTSP 4.4.2 64bit Message-ID: <43BF099E.6020200@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I have the 64bit version of K12LTSP 4.4 far enough along now that it will install and boot a terminal. Still plenty of bugs to be squashed and a few missing and/or broken packages, but the basics seem to function ok. Needless to say, this is not production ready ;-) If you want to play along, you'll find the ISOs at... ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.4.2-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.4.2-64bit/iso/ . -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From robark at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 03:42:07 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:42:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM as default in 4.4....still need some help In-Reply-To: <20060106222603.1296.qmail@web60713.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060106222603.1296.qmail@web60713.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 1/6/06, Nick Fenger wrote: > Robert, > > 2 questions > > Is this still the method you would recommend to make icewm the only option > for all users? > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-August/msg00645.html Yes. But it's probably not the only way to do it. > > ...And... > > Will the script you sent (below) work with those changes to give only a > specific UID access to Gnome? Works for me. > if you followed my previous post you can block everything except icewm. > Hence > /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM > will be executed for everyone. > Now all you need to do is figure out your UID. Lets pretend your UID > is 500. Stick this > > if [ $UID -eq 500 ];then > exec /usr/bin/gnome-session > exit 0 > fi > > at the beginning of etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM so you will be the only > one who gets in using GNOME. > > -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sat Jan 7 14:00:35 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 09:00:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Print Manager Plus equivalent Message-ID: <1136642435.10081.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, Do any of you know an equivalent to Print Manager Plus (http://www.softwareshelf.com/files/products.asp?ID=121) for Linux? It can be a free or commercial product equivalent (free would be nice though) :). What it does is it keeps track of how much each user is printing and how much that is costing the organization. Thanks. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 From petre at maltzen.net Sat Jan 7 21:16:08 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:16:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Print Manager Plus equivalent In-Reply-To: <1136642435.10081.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1136642435.10081.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43C02F98.6010908@maltzen.net> Try googling for pykota. Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > Do any of you know an equivalent to Print Manager Plus > (http://www.softwareshelf.com/files/products.asp?ID=121) for Linux? It > can be a free or commercial product equivalent (free would be nice > though) :). What it does is it keeps track of how much each user is > printing and how much that is costing the organization. Thanks. > > -Paul > From kris23 at poczta.fm Sat Jan 7 21:59:27 2006 From: kris23 at poczta.fm (Futrzak) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:59:27 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Print Manager Plus equivalent References: <1136642435.10081.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <001901c613d5$a5e5cb20$5e3d153e@futrzak> > Do any of you know an equivalent to Print Manager Plus > (http://www.softwareshelf.com/files/products.asp?ID=121) for Linux? It > can be a free or commercial product equivalent (free would be nice > though) :). What it does is it keeps track of how much each user is > printing and how much that is costing the organization. Thanks. Check out the http://www.papercut.biz/pcng/. It's very reliable and powerful. It gives you various reports and (if you configure it to use external database eg. postgres) allows you to create your own analysis. It comes with 40-day free licence. 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URL: From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Sat Jan 7 22:53:34 2006 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:53:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] first build of K12LTSP 4.4.2 64bit In-Reply-To: <43BF099E.6020200@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43BF099E.6020200@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060107175334.1b62a203.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:21:50 -0800 Eric Harrison wrote: > > I have the 64bit version of K12LTSP 4.4 far enough along now that it > will install and boot a terminal. Still plenty of bugs to be squashed > and a few missing and/or broken packages, but the basics seem to > function ok. Needless to say, this is not production ready ;-) > > If you want to play along, you'll find the ISOs at... > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.4.2-64bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.4.2-64bit/iso/ . > Eric, I just put together a 64-bit Sempron 2800+ box to play around with. When I've everything working just so it will replace my Celeron1.3 box - it's getting a bit long in the tooth but runs like a champ. Partitioned a fresh harddrive and downloaded the iso's to hda7. Burnt the first cd and tried to do a hard drive install. Booting with "linux askmethod" or "linux method=hd://dev/hda7/ " anaconda fails with "trying to mount already-mounted image" [harddrive.py line77]. This is preceeded by "Error mounting file system on hda7. Device or resource busy" Looking at the console on F3, it seems that the installer is trying to mount hda7 on /tmp/isodir (where we want it) and also on /mnt/sysimage where we don't. Is there any way around this? Booted Knoppix 4.0.2 and used cdrecord from the command line to burn discs 2 to 6 so that I can do a regular cd-rom install. When I have to insert the 2nd disc, the installer claims it's the wrong cdrom. It appears to be burnt correctly as an image rather than a file - when mounted it has the correct directory structure. Checked the .discinfo file on the cd and it appears to be correct with the same information as disc 1 except for the different disc #. Thanks. Jesse From olle at paalalinn.com Sun Jan 8 18:13:32 2006 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 20:13:32 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update tuxpaint-0.9.15b and tuxpaint-stamps Message-ID: <43C1564C.4010002@paalalinn.com> Eric! Please add to k12ltsp-4.4.1 repository tuxpaint-0.9.15b-1.fc4.i386.rpm and tuxpaint-stamps-2005.11.25-1.noarch.rpm. This version adds Estonian language for kids of my computerclass. But my weekly crontab's entry "yum -y update" downgrades it again to English every weekend. Olle From nbs at sonic.net Sun Jan 8 22:01:38 2006 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:01:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update tuxpaint-0.9.15b and tuxpaint-stamps In-Reply-To: <43C1564C.4010002@paalalinn.com> References: <43C1564C.4010002@paalalinn.com> Message-ID: <20060108220138.GB30562@sonic.net> On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 08:13:32PM +0200, Olle Niit wrote: > Please add to k12ltsp-4.4.1 repository > tuxpaint-0.9.15b-1.fc4.i386.rpm and > tuxpaint-stamps-2005.11.25-1.noarch.rpm. These can be found at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/download/linux-rpm/ of course! :) -bill! From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Jan 8 23:36:03 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:36:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] yum update tuxpaint-0.9.15b and tuxpaint-stamps In-Reply-To: <43C1564C.4010002@paalalinn.com> References: <43C1564C.4010002@paalalinn.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Jan 2006, Olle Niit wrote: > Eric! > > Please add to k12ltsp-4.4.1 repository > tuxpaint-0.9.15b-1.fc4.i386.rpm and > tuxpaint-stamps-2005.11.25-1.noarch.rpm. > > This version adds Estonian language for kids of my computerclass. But my > weekly crontab's entry "yum -y update" downgrades it again to English every > weekend. > > Olle > tuxpaint-0.9.15b was in the repository, but I had misconfigured the package so the 0.9.14 version would over-write it. I fixed that and rebuilt the repository. I also updated to the latest versions of tuxpaint-stamps and tuxpaint-config. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Jan 8 23:45:20 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:45:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] first build of K12LTSP 4.4.2 64bit In-Reply-To: <20060107175334.1b62a203.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> References: <43BF099E.6020200@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060107175334.1b62a203.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Jan 2006, Jesse McDonnell wrote: > On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:21:50 -0800 > Eric Harrison wrote: > >> >> I have the 64bit version of K12LTSP 4.4 far enough along now that it >> will install and boot a terminal. Still plenty of bugs to be squashed >> and a few missing and/or broken packages, but the basics seem to >> function ok. Needless to say, this is not production ready ;-) >> >> If you want to play along, you'll find the ISOs at... >> >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.4.2-64bit/iso/ >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.4.2-64bit/iso/ . > Partitioned a fresh harddrive and downloaded the iso's to hda7. > Burnt the first cd and tried to do a hard drive install. Booting with > "linux askmethod" or "linux method=hd://dev/hda7/ " anaconda fails with > "trying to mount already-mounted image" [harddrive.py line77]. This is > preceeded by "Error mounting file system on hda7. Device or resource busy" > Looking at the console on F3, it seems that the installer is trying to > mount hda7 on /tmp/isodir (where we want it) and also on /mnt/sysimage > where we don't. Is there any way around this? I've only done two installs, both were network installs. This part of the installer has not been modified, so it should work exactly the same as the stock FC4 install. I'll try a hard-drive install on my next test. (might not be for a day or two) > Booted Knoppix 4.0.2 and used cdrecord from the command line to burn > discs 2 to 6 so that I can do a regular cd-rom install. When I have to > insert the 2nd disc, the installer claims it's the wrong cdrom. It > appears to be burnt correctly as an image rather than a file - when > mounted it has the correct directory structure. Checked the .discinfo > file on the cd and it appears to be correct with the same information > as disc 1 except for the different disc #. Hmmm, that's a strange one. I can't think of anything off the top of my head that would cause this - it is almost always a problem with the .discinfo's as you point out. I'll try to do a ISO install next round as well. -Eric From jhalfpenny at excite.com Mon Jan 9 10:43:08 2006 From: jhalfpenny at excite.com (John Halfpenny) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:43:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] gnome login errors [solved] Message-ID: <20060109104308.06D867E430@xprdmxin.myway.com> argh! yes, i'm an idiot. i'm hosting the ldap on fc3, but my acls were locking out read access to users login shells! did a 'getent passwd' and noticed the shells weren't appearing in the list. thanks for pointing me in the right direction, brad. sometimes you just can't see the wood for the trees. ;-) john --- On Fri 01/06, Brad Johnson < bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us > wrote: From: Brad Johnson [mailto: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us] To: jhalfpenny at excite.com, k12osn at redhat.com Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:35:06 -0600 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] gnome login errors what is hosting your ldap services?? OS X? If so, make sure your
users have a default login shell chosen. By default, my users on my
os x server did not have a login shell chosen, and I rangled with
this exact issue for months before I figured this out.

Brad

On Jan 6, 2006, at 9:09 AM, John Halfpenny wrote:

>
> hi. i'm having a real problem with gnome on a default install of
> k12 4.4.1.
>
> i can only login to gnome with ldap users if i login as runlevel 3
> first and then startx manually, root works fine from runlevel 5
> startup.
>
> after being told my login lasted for less than 10 seconds, the
> output of my error is this
>
> /etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with wtmp
> and utmp
> /etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/Default: running: /usr/X11R6/bin/sessreg -a
> -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x "/var/gdm/:0.Xservers" -h "" -
> l ":0" "john"
> /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession: line 76: /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/dbus-
> launch --exit-with-session gnome-session: No such file or directory
> /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession: line 76: exec: /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/
> dbus-launch --exit-with-session gnome-session: No such file or
> directory
>
> i've been through umpteen searches on google and am totally stumped
> as to why i'm receiving this error. it seems to do it on my FC3
> install and K12LTSP.
>
> having been at it for the best part of two days i have tried all
> these things-
>
> checked permissions on /tmp
> checked permissions and availability on users home folder
> checked disk space on both nfs and local server
> uninstalled / reinstalled gnome-session
> uninstalled / reinstalled gdm
>
> i don't know which file it is referring to in the error, ssh-agent,
> dbus-launch and gnome-session are all in /usr/bin.
>
> if anyone out there has any idea at al! l why this is happening i
> would be extremely grateful- as i've mentioned my users can all log
> into run level 3, and they can all run gnome if the machine starts
> up in run level 3 before starting x!
>
> how odd!
>
> TIA
>
> john
>
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_______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! From info at proex-india.com Mon Jan 9 13:10:44 2006 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:40:44 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] IBM Net station booting With LTSP Message-ID: <200601091311.k09DBaHo010323@mx3.redhat.com> hello, How to boot IBM Netstations in LTSP environment , i hv received old IBM boxes donated to school . I hv tried document , where the custom IBM -kernel can be used , i woul;d like to boot this terminals using LTSP. Regards K.dinesh *********************************************************************** In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? *********************************************************************** This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by software viruses. *********************************************************************** -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.15/223 - Release Date: 1/6/06 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.15/223 - Release Date: 1/6/06 From ahodson at elp.rr.com Mon Jan 9 13:28:51 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:28:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Is this entry going to cause conflicts? Message-ID: Hi gang To make sure a specific thin client vendor could log into the K12LTSP V4.4.1 server, I've added to lts.conf: XSERVER=nsc Should this in any way affect the rest of the Thin Clients that booted normally before adding this entry? I got a report from a school (Thin Clients not booting) but it could be something else... Haven't had a chance to go there yet. Thanks for the suggestions/insights Alan A Hodson El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org/ -=o=- From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Jan 9 13:34:11 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 08:34:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Is this entry going to cause conflicts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43C26653.20504@inlandlakes.org> Alan A Hodson wrote: > XSERVER=nsc yes, that is bad. Now all clients will use that driver. You need to keep it "XSERVER=auto" and add a line for JUST that one thin client. Like: [00:a4:21:d3:24:a0] XSERVER=nsc The other thin clients will indeed not boot right! -Shawn From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Mon Jan 9 18:30:28 2006 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 12:30:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Custom kernel and Opterons Message-ID: <43C2ABC4.2030209@frederic.k12.wi.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I am building a custom kernel for k12ltsp 4.2.1 and I have dual opterons, will choosing the opteron option in the kernel config give me problems with the software/clients on the system? Should I choose Athalon instead? Also, does anyone know if there are certain drivers/modules that fc3/k12ltsp expects in the kernel? Thanks, - -- Justin Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District 1-715-327-4223 paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us "The world is open. Are you?" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDwqvE1ed72CY2bpoRAgjlAKC3pADEqIb9lNrgdF3KnCqphwTuHQCeLABJ pJfG5lKw3w6YWcw6yvdr5hc= =aIKn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: paulsenj.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 306 bytes Desc: not available URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jan 9 18:52:19 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:52:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Custom kernel and Opterons In-Reply-To: <43C2ABC4.2030209@frederic.k12.wi.us> References: <43C2ABC4.2030209@frederic.k12.wi.us> Message-ID: <43C2B0E3.7070704@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Justin Paulsen wrote: > Hello, > > I am building a custom kernel for k12ltsp 4.2.1 and I have dual > opterons, will choosing the opteron option in the kernel config give me > problems with the software/clients on the system? Should I choose > Athalon instead? Also, does anyone know if there are certain > drivers/modules that fc3/k12ltsp expects in the kernel? > > Thanks, > > -- > Justin Paulsen > IT Coordinator > Frederic School District > 1-715-327-4223 > paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us > > "The world is open. Are you?" The terminals use a different kernel (found in /tftpboot/) than the server. The server and terminal kernels are independent of each other. There are no specific drivers or modules required on the server, with the exception of the obvious ones (ethernet, IP, NFS, etc). -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you want shiny new ISOs, here is where you'll find them... 32 bit version of K12LTSP 4.2.2EL: (Pentium, Athlon) http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.2.2EL-32bit/iso/ ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.2EL-32bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-EL/ . 64 bit version of K12LTSP 4.2.2EL: (Opteron, EM64T) http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.2.2EL-64bit/iso/ ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.2EL-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-EL-64bit/ . -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From ahodson at elp.rr.com Tue Jan 10 02:02:06 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:02:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] GnomeFailsafe session challenge Message-ID: Hi fellow enthusiasts Several of the K12LTSP v.4.4.1 new installs and (yum) updates are generating strange messages - in three servers I have: "GDM_Failsafe.Gnome.desktop" warnings: "This is the Failsafe Gnome Session. You will be logged into the "Default" session of Gnome with no Startup Scripts run. This is only to fix problems in your installation." Things work, but it looks poor. Sooo... what problems are these? A lot of the older fix-files are no longer... /etc/rc.conf, etc... Help is needed and much appreciated! I think I am in need of some IceWM fixes also!!! Cheers Alan Hodson El Paso ISD, TX -=o=- From odin at visdom.org Tue Jan 10 08:48:38 2006 From: odin at visdom.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Odin_N=F8sen?=) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:48:38 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote control of ltsp-clients with VNC Message-ID: <20060110084203.M88200@visdom.org> This is how we enable remote control of the ltsp-clients... Login at the terminalserver as root. Edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and add: X4_MODULE_02 = vnc Then edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg and add the following under 'Secton "Screen"' (but over 'EndSubSection'), so it looks like this: Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "My Video Card" Monitor "My Monitor" DefaultDepth ${X_COLOR_DEPTH:-16} Subsection "Display" Depth ${X_COLOR_DEPTH:-16} Modes ${MODE[*]} Option "httpdir" "/usr/share/vnc/classes" Option "PasswordFile" "/root/.vnc/passwd" Option "rfbport" "5900" Option "usevnc" EndSubSection EndSection Now you'll have to make a password for the vnc-session. Run this command: [root at ts01 ~]$ /usr/bin/vncpassword Choose a password and copy the password file into the ltsp-tree [root at ts01 ~]$ cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ Now you must copy the vnc-module and some libraries into the ltsp-tree: [root at ts01 ~]$ cp /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/ [root at ts01 ~]$ cp /usr/lib/libstdc .so.6 /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ [root at ts01 ~]$ cp /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/ I am told that you should make this link also, I am not sure if its necessary, but we'll do it: [root at ts01 ~]$ ln -s /lib/libgcc_s.so.1_backup /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/libgcc_s.so -f Reboot the ltsp-client and use 'vncviewer' with ip og hostname to shadow the client. Good luck... works like a charm. It may not be most secure way of doing it. But it's fast and it works. "!" from Odin From odin at visdom.org Tue Jan 10 09:32:58 2006 From: odin at visdom.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Odin_N=F8sen?=) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:32:58 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote control of ltsp-clients with VNC In-Reply-To: <20060110084203.M88200@visdom.org> References: <20060110084203.M88200@visdom.org> Message-ID: <20060110093224.M37601@visdom.org> > Now you'll have to make a password for the vnc-session. Run this command: > [root at ts01 ~]$ /usr/bin/vncpassword Obs... sorry. It's /usr/bin/vncpasswd "!" from Odin From thepiano at telenet.be Tue Jan 10 11:05:35 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:05:35 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Podcasting In-Reply-To: <20060110093224.M37601@visdom.org> References: <20060110084203.M88200@visdom.org> <20060110093224.M37601@visdom.org> Message-ID: Has anyone a solution to get podcasts running on Linux? We have a podcast-based schoolradio which runs fine in iTunes on Mac and PC. But what with the thins? Hanne From trond at maehlum.net Tue Jan 10 13:25:20 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:25:20 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] icewm, nautilus and home folder Message-ID: <43C3B5C0.5090303@maehlum.net> After a yum update last week, our icewm setup is not behaving right. I have this in my /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM: nautilus -n & I thought that the -n prevented the homefolder from opening upon login...? Still it comes on every login, every time. If I edit /etc/sysconfig/icewm and set USE_NAUTILUS to "NO", nautilus doesn't start at all, which is right. Is there an update to gdm/nautilus that made the -n switch obsolete or something? We're running K12LTSP 4.4.0... or is it 4.4.1? Hard to keep up :) Best Regards Trond Maehlum From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Jan 10 13:49:18 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:49:18 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Web based util to change passwords Message-ID: <43C3BB5E.3090409@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> We are running Samba 3 with a OpenLDAP backend and currently I've disabled the ability for users to use the Windows CTRL-ALT-DEL option to change their password. Now the powers that be want to give this ability back BUT only to staff. I could acheive this by giving every staff user and entry in the NTConfig.pol file but I don't fancy this so does anyone have any ideas / utils that I could implemeng using a web form. I could then limit students access to this form stopping them changing there passwords. I have looked at Usermin but it seems a little over kill just for one option. How does everyone else manage this ?? Thanks Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Tue Jan 10 17:00:06 2006 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:00:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] disable roaming profiles samba/ldap In-Reply-To: <43BA9511.2080905@earthlink.net> References: <1326.70.33.151.214.1135964549.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <43BA9511.2080905@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <43C3E816.6070308@earthlink.net> >>>>> I have a samba/ldap server doing my authentication and storing home >>>>> directories as well as roaming profiles. How do I disable roaming >>>>> profiles >>>>> (setup on core 3 using the smbldap-installer script)? This server has >>>>> been >>>>> running for almost a year now can I just simply disable roaming >>> >>> >>> profiles >>> >>>>> without it affecting the server? Thanks for the help. > > > >>cant you simply edit oout the roamaing profiles portion of smb.conf..? > >>chuck > >> > >>>> We have roaming profiles too, and I'd love to learn how to disable >>>> them! >>>> They are kind of a "legacy" from the W2K server we had years ago. >>>> >> >> I was thinking that you could comment out the profile section in >> smb.conf. >> I am not an expert and did not know if this would cause any problems. I >> really need to know what to do as profiles are a problem with network >> traffic. I was hoping there was an easy way to do this but with few >> responses I now don't think it is. Any help is appreciated. Thanks >> > > I guess I could test it today, with no one in the building I could put > it back if it doesn't work, right? > > Rita Gibson I decided not to attempt this. Our technology teacher reminded me that we had issues when we tried this a couple of years ago. The windows machine would give us an error saying unable to log on with the user's profile give the user a choice of logging on with a temporary profile for this session. I tried to change the profiles on the machines from roaming to local but that didn't seem to work. I have Doug Simpson's email with his solution: First off, the samba server that has the domain that the students login on from student-use computers has the profiles in a different location than the user's home directory, which is the default location. The profiles have their own share on the server. The share is set up with root preexec and post exec that creates the profile location on login and deletes the profile location on logout for the user. Samba sets up the profile location before it turns it over to Windows on login. Windows sets up the profile, and the user keeps it as long as they are logged in. Once they logout, and after winders has written the profile and lets go of the share, the post exec deletes the profile directory. Windows is happy because it wrote the profile successfully, and then the server gets happy because it cleared up the space wasted by the profiles. On the student-access computers, we run DriveShield which is similar to DeepFreeze and other lockdown software. The machines are set up and a default profile is created that contains everything the student's need for that computer. Then the computer is locked down. Unchangeable. When a student logs in on that computer, they have no profile, so winders gets a copy of the default profile, which is minimal to begin with, and gives it to the student. A copy is also written to the hard drive on the computer. But when the student logs off, it is deleted from the server, and then next time the computer is rebooted, that profile is wiped from the computer. So, there is no drive space wasted on either the server or the computer for student access computers. The domain that teachers log into is different than the domain the students login to. Students can't use teacher's computers (security risk) because their login will not work on them. Teacher's logins will not work on student computers, either, but they don't need to anyway. Teachers have access to all student's home directories no matter what computer they are using. The first time I read it, I didn't really understand exactly what I need to do, but I intend to read this again, and see if I can't figure it out. Anyone else out there solve this issue? Rita Gibson From robark at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 17:37:48 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:37:48 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Podcasting In-Reply-To: References: <20060110084203.M88200@visdom.org> <20060110093224.M37601@visdom.org> Message-ID: On 1/10/06, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Has anyone a solution to get podcasts running on Linux? > We have a podcast-based schoolradio which runs fine in iTunes on Mac > and PC. > > But what with the thins? > try xmms -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From sbetts at msad52.k12.me.us Tue Jan 10 17:49:25 2006 From: sbetts at msad52.k12.me.us (Sharon Betts) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:49:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web software In-Reply-To: <43A3593F.20900@rogers.com> References: <43A3593F.20900@rogers.com> Message-ID: I am at a new district now and we need to completely rebuild our website. We have looked at Drupal and Joopla. They are nice, but not really tuned to K-12 use. Does anyone have anything that they reallly recommend? I do like the look of GVCSiteMaker -- and may go with it, but want to make certain we cover all the bases. Thanks Sharon Betts Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.k12.me.us The supreme accomplishment is to blur the line between work and play. ~Arnold Toynbee From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Tue Jan 10 18:21:03 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:21:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 6 local user accounts on server using NIS for 800 others? Message-ID: Well, were're up against the wall here, I think. I checked to see if Photoshop 7 was supported by Codeweavers Crossover and it was, but there is a problem running it though on our 3rd K12LTSP server though. (My art teacher help pay for the server... so I'm motivated to get things going!!) The problem that the Crossover technician is attributing it to is Photoshop interaction with the .cxoffice folder through NFS. I need to still have this K12LTSP server using NIS and NFS because it splits its responsibility between the Art room and serving Library clients. Can I have 6 local accounts on this server with homes coming from, for example: /home-art ??? Six users from /home-art would logon through their clients to this server and would use the servers local /home-art. All other users - in the library - would logon normally (not knowing or caring that their homes came via nfs and nis)???? Thanks for ANY ideas, Jim From veewee77 at alltel.net Tue Jan 10 18:22:41 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:22:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] disable roaming profiles samba/ldap In-Reply-To: <43C3E816.6070308@earthlink.net> References: <1326.70.33.151.214.1135964549.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <43BA9511.2080905@earthlink.net> <43C3E816.6070308@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <43C3FB71.3090909@alltel.net> Rita Gibson wrote: > >>>>>> I have a samba/ldap server doing my authentication and storing home >>>>>> directories as well as roaming profiles. How do I disable roaming >>>>>> profiles >>>>>> (setup on core 3 using the smbldap-installer script)? This server >>>>>> has >>>>>> been >>>>>> running for almost a year now can I just simply disable roaming >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> profiles >>>> >>>>>> without it affecting the server? Thanks for the help. >>>>> >> >> >> >>cant you simply edit oout the roamaing profiles portion of >> smb.conf..? >> >>chuck >> >> >> >>>>> We have roaming profiles too, and I'd love to learn how to disable >>>>> them! >>>>> They are kind of a "legacy" from the W2K server we had years ago. >>>>> >>> >>> I was thinking that you could comment out the profile section in >>> smb.conf. >>> I am not an expert and did not know if this would cause any problems. I >>> really need to know what to do as profiles are a problem with network >>> traffic. I was hoping there was an easy way to do this but with few >>> responses I now don't think it is. Any help is appreciated. Thanks >>> >> >> I guess I could test it today, with no one in the building I could >> put it back if it doesn't work, right? >> >> Rita Gibson > > > I decided not to attempt this. Our technology teacher reminded me that > we had issues when we tried this a couple of years ago. The windows > machine would give us an error saying unable to log on with the user's > profile give the user a choice of logging on with a temporary profile > for this session. > > I tried to change the profiles on the machines from roaming to local > but that didn't seem to work. I have Doug Simpson's email with his > solution: > > > > First off, the samba server that has the domain that the students > login on > from student-use computers has the profiles in a different location than > the user's home directory, which is the default location. The profiles > have their own share on the server. The share is set up with root > preexec > and post exec that creates the profile location on login and deletes the > profile location on logout for the user. Samba sets up the profile > location before it turns it over to Windows on login. Windows sets up > the > profile, and the user keeps it as long as they are logged in. Once they > logout, and after winders has written the profile and lets go of the > share, the post exec deletes the profile directory. Windows is happy > because it wrote the profile successfully, and then the server gets happy > because it cleared up the space wasted by the profiles. > > On the student-access computers, we run DriveShield which is similar to > DeepFreeze and other lockdown software. The machines are set up and a > default profile is created that contains everything the student's need > for > that computer. Then the computer is locked down. Unchangeable. > > When a student logs in on that computer, they have no profile, so winders > gets a copy of the default profile, which is minimal to begin with, and > gives it to the student. A copy is also written to the hard drive on > the computer. But when the student logs off, it is deleted from the > server, and then next time the computer is rebooted, that profile is > wiped > from the computer. > > So, there is no drive space wasted on either the server or the computer > for student access computers. > > The domain that teachers log into is different than the domain the > students login to. Students can't use teacher's computers (security > risk) > because their login will not work on them. Teacher's logins will not > work > on student computers, either, but they don't need to anyway. Teachers > have > access to all student's home directories no matter what computer they are > using. > > > > The first time I read it, I didn't really understand exactly what I > need to do, but I intend to read this again, and see if I can't figure > it out. > > Anyone else out there solve this issue? > > Rita Gibson > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Rita, if you need specific details, please let me know. I will be happy to show you how this was all set up. It was actually pretty easy, and can be done in a pretty much "on the fly" manner. It would be best to actually do the cut over when there isn't anyone logged in, but I have changed them on the fly and so far it has created no issues. Just remember that if users save things in My Documents, they will be deleted with their profile. They will eventually learn to save to their home directory instead of My Documents (our's did!). Doug From scott at remc1.org Tue Jan 10 18:24:00 2006 From: scott at remc1.org (Scott Sherrill) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:24:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 6 local user accounts on server using NIS for 800 others? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43C3FBC0.2070409@remc1.org> Jim Christiansen wrote: > > The problem that the Crossover technician is attributing it to is > Photoshop interaction with the .cxoffice folder through NFS. > Jim - What about making a local folder for each user say /var/local/photoshop/scott In each person's home directory there is a symbolic link for .cxoffice to /var/local/photoshop/scott The directory is local, it will only affect the one server that has Photoshop installed. Just another option. Scott From jritchie at bible.edu Tue Jan 10 18:46:46 2006 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Ritchie, Josiah S.) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:46:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Podcasting Message-ID: <6EB812DA48A19740BE7CD3BC07C792FAB0AAC6@rebekah.bible.edu> > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Kevin Verheyen > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:06 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] Podcasting > > Has anyone a solution to get podcasts running on Linux? > We have a podcast-based schoolradio which runs fine in iTunes on Mac > and PC. > > But what with the thins? Odeo and podnova have a flash-based player you could use. No installs. JSR/ From timothy.hart at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 18:56:08 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:56:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web software In-Reply-To: References: <43A3593F.20900@rogers.com> Message-ID: <464c38cc0601101056v2cde2df8n55019e0bdce39963@mail.gmail.com> Hello Sharon, What exactly is it that you would like to be able to do? Meaning what specific goals and content set do you want the page to do. Drupal and Joomla are great, they just take a while to bend to your will. I have found the best place to mess around with different content management systems is http://www.opensourcecms.com/. They have a ton preinstalled for you to play with. Check it out. On 1/10/06, Sharon Betts wrote: > > I am at a new district now and we need to completely rebuild our website. > We have looked at Drupal and Joopla. They are nice, but not really tuned > to K-12 use. Does anyone have anything that they reallly recommend? > I do like the look of GVCSiteMaker -- and may go with it, but want to make > certain we cover all the bases. > > Thanks > > Sharon Betts > Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 > 59 Cobb Rd > Turner, ME 04282 > 207-225-4565 > sbetts at msad52.k12.me.us > The supreme accomplishment is to blur the line between work and play. > ~Arnold Toynbee > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nsantiago at caclv.org Tue Jan 10 20:37:06 2006 From: nsantiago at caclv.org (Santiago, Nicholas) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:37:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web software Message-ID: I've been playing with Mambo for my school's site and it isn't half-bad, but it's not exactly easy to work with. One that I've been using more and more is Website Baker , it's quick, easy and actually kinda fun to use. Not exactly K-12 oriented, but it's easy to delegate permissions for teacher pages, administrative pages, and stuff like that. I enjoy it. I'll check out GVCSiteMaker though, see what that offers. -Nick nicholas|santiago 484.893.1044 nsantiago at caclv.org -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Betts [mailto:sbetts at msad52.k12.me.us] Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:49 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Web software I am at a new district now and we need to completely rebuild our website. We have looked at Drupal and Joopla. They are nice, but not really tuned to K-12 use. Does anyone have anything that they reallly recommend? I do like the look of GVCSiteMaker -- and may go with it, but want to make certain we cover all the bases. Thanks Sharon Betts Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.k12.me.us The supreme accomplishment is to blur the line between work and play. ~Arnold Toynbee _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From thepiano at telenet.be Tue Jan 10 20:50:16 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:50:16 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Podcasting In-Reply-To: <6EB812DA48A19740BE7CD3BC07C792FAB0AAC6@rebekah.bible.edu> References: <6EB812DA48A19740BE7CD3BC07C792FAB0AAC6@rebekah.bible.edu> Message-ID: I've found a temp workaround, using a webbased flash mp3 player with rss and xml support: http://www.mirpod.com/blog.php?id_blog=1&id_article=198&lang=en wonderfull and free :-) Hanne Op 10-jan-06, om 19:46 heeft Ritchie, Josiah S. het volgende geschreven: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >> Behalf Of Kevin Verheyen >> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:06 AM >> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >> Subject: [K12OSN] Podcasting >> >> Has anyone a solution to get podcasts running on Linux? >> We have a podcast-based schoolradio which runs fine in iTunes on Mac >> and PC. >> >> But what with the thins? > > Odeo and podnova have a flash-based player you could use. No installs. > > JSR/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Jan 10 21:21:11 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:21:11 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] disable roaming profiles samba/ldap In-Reply-To: <43C3FB71.3090909@alltel.net> References: <1326.70.33.151.214.1135964549.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <43BA9511.2080905@earthlink.net> <43C3E816.6070308@earthlink.net> <43C3FB71.3090909@alltel.net> Message-ID: <43C42547.7010208@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Doug Simpson wrote: > Rita Gibson wrote: > >> >>>>>>> I have a samba/ldap server doing my authentication and storing home >>>>>>> directories as well as roaming profiles. How do I disable roaming >>>>>>> profiles >>>>>>> (setup on core 3 using the smbldap-installer script)? This server >>>>>>> has >>>>>>> been >>>>>>> running for almost a year now can I just simply disable roaming >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> profiles >>>>> >>>>>>> without it affecting the server? Thanks for the help. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>cant you simply edit oout the roamaing profiles portion of >>> smb.conf..? >>> >>chuck >>> >> >>> >>>>>> We have roaming profiles too, and I'd love to learn how to disable >>>>>> them! >>>>>> They are kind of a "legacy" from the W2K server we had years ago. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> I was thinking that you could comment out the profile section in >>>> smb.conf. >>>> I am not an expert and did not know if this would cause any problems. I >>>> really need to know what to do as profiles are a problem with network >>>> traffic. I was hoping there was an easy way to do this but with few >>>> responses I now don't think it is. Any help is appreciated. Thanks >>>> >>> >>> I guess I could test it today, with no one in the building I could >>> put it back if it doesn't work, right? >>> >>> Rita Gibson >> >> >> >> I decided not to attempt this. Our technology teacher reminded me that >> we had issues when we tried this a couple of years ago. The windows >> machine would give us an error saying unable to log on with the user's >> profile give the user a choice of logging on with a temporary profile >> for this session. >> >> I tried to change the profiles on the machines from roaming to local >> but that didn't seem to work. I have Doug Simpson's email with his >> solution: >> >> >> >> First off, the samba server that has the domain that the students >> login on >> from student-use computers has the profiles in a different location than >> the user's home directory, which is the default location. The profiles >> have their own share on the server. The share is set up with root >> preexec >> and post exec that creates the profile location on login and deletes the >> profile location on logout for the user. Samba sets up the profile >> location before it turns it over to Windows on login. Windows sets up >> the >> profile, and the user keeps it as long as they are logged in. Once they >> logout, and after winders has written the profile and lets go of the >> share, the post exec deletes the profile directory. Windows is happy >> because it wrote the profile successfully, and then the server gets happy >> because it cleared up the space wasted by the profiles. >> >> On the student-access computers, we run DriveShield which is similar to >> DeepFreeze and other lockdown software. The machines are set up and a >> default profile is created that contains everything the student's need >> for >> that computer. Then the computer is locked down. Unchangeable. >> >> When a student logs in on that computer, they have no profile, so winders >> gets a copy of the default profile, which is minimal to begin with, and >> gives it to the student. A copy is also written to the hard drive on >> the computer. But when the student logs off, it is deleted from the >> server, and then next time the computer is rebooted, that profile is >> wiped >> from the computer. >> >> So, there is no drive space wasted on either the server or the computer >> for student access computers. >> >> The domain that teachers log into is different than the domain the >> students login to. Students can't use teacher's computers (security >> risk) >> because their login will not work on them. Teacher's logins will not >> work >> on student computers, either, but they don't need to anyway. Teachers >> have >> access to all student's home directories no matter what computer they are >> using. >> >> >> >> The first time I read it, I didn't really understand exactly what I >> need to do, but I intend to read this again, and see if I can't figure >> it out. >> >> Anyone else out there solve this issue? >> >> Rita Gibson >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > Rita, if you need specific details, please let me know. I will be happy > to show you how this was all set up. It was actually pretty easy, and > can be done in a pretty much "on the fly" manner. It would be best to > actually do the cut over when there isn't anyone logged in, but I have > changed them on the fly and so far it has created no issues. Just > remember that if users save things in My Documents, they will be deleted > with their profile. They will eventually learn to save to their home > directory instead of My Documents (our's did!). > > Doug > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Why not just alter the location of My Documents at login ? Really quite easy to do with a login script to alter location of things like cookies as well. I'm not around tomorrow but if you's like to know more drop me a mail offlist. Brian Chivers --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From veewee77 at alltel.net Tue Jan 10 22:14:59 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:14:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] disable roaming profiles samba/ldap In-Reply-To: <43C42547.7010208@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <1326.70.33.151.214.1135964549.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <43BA9511.2080905@earthlink.net> <43C3E816.6070308@earthlink.net> <43C3FB71.3090909@alltel.net> <43C42547.7010208@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <43C431E3.9010405@alltel.net> Brian Chivers wrote: > Doug Simpson wrote: > >> Rita Gibson wrote: >> >>> >>>>>>>> I have a samba/ldap server doing my authentication and storing >>>>>>>> home >>>>>>>> directories as well as roaming profiles. How do I disable roaming >>>>>>>> profiles >>>>>>>> (setup on core 3 using the smbldap-installer script)? This >>>>>>>> server has >>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>> running for almost a year now can I just simply disable roaming >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> profiles >>>>>> >>>>>>>> without it affecting the server? Thanks for the help. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>cant you simply edit oout the roamaing profiles portion of >>>> smb.conf..? >>>> >>chuck >>>> >> >>>> >>>>>>> We have roaming profiles too, and I'd love to learn how to >>>>>>> disable them! >>>>>>> They are kind of a "legacy" from the W2K server we had years ago. >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I was thinking that you could comment out the profile section in >>>>> smb.conf. >>>>> I am not an expert and did not know if this would cause any >>>>> problems. I >>>>> really need to know what to do as profiles are a problem with network >>>>> traffic. I was hoping there was an easy way to do this but with few >>>>> responses I now don't think it is. Any help is appreciated. Thanks >>>>> >>>> >>>> I guess I could test it today, with no one in the building I could >>>> put it back if it doesn't work, right? >>>> >>>> Rita Gibson >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I decided not to attempt this. Our technology teacher reminded me >>> that we had issues when we tried this a couple of years ago. The >>> windows machine would give us an error saying unable to log on with >>> the user's profile give the user a choice of logging on with a >>> temporary profile for this session. >>> >>> I tried to change the profiles on the machines from roaming to local >>> but that didn't seem to work. I have Doug Simpson's email with his >>> solution: >>> >>> >>> >>> First off, the samba server that has the domain that the students >>> login on >>> from student-use computers has the profiles in a different location >>> than >>> the user's home directory, which is the default location. The profiles >>> have their own share on the server. The share is set up with root >>> preexec >>> and post exec that creates the profile location on login and deletes >>> the >>> profile location on logout for the user. Samba sets up the profile >>> location before it turns it over to Windows on login. Windows sets >>> up the >>> profile, and the user keeps it as long as they are logged in. Once >>> they >>> logout, and after winders has written the profile and lets go of the >>> share, the post exec deletes the profile directory. Windows is happy >>> because it wrote the profile successfully, and then the server gets >>> happy >>> because it cleared up the space wasted by the profiles. >>> >>> On the student-access computers, we run DriveShield which is similar to >>> DeepFreeze and other lockdown software. The machines are set up and a >>> default profile is created that contains everything the student's >>> need for >>> that computer. Then the computer is locked down. Unchangeable. >>> >>> When a student logs in on that computer, they have no profile, so >>> winders >>> gets a copy of the default profile, which is minimal to begin with, and >>> gives it to the student. A copy is also written to the hard drive on >>> the computer. But when the student logs off, it is deleted from the >>> server, and then next time the computer is rebooted, that profile is >>> wiped >>> from the computer. >>> >>> So, there is no drive space wasted on either the server or the computer >>> for student access computers. >>> >>> The domain that teachers log into is different than the domain the >>> students login to. Students can't use teacher's computers (security >>> risk) >>> because their login will not work on them. Teacher's logins will >>> not work >>> on student computers, either, but they don't need to anyway. >>> Teachers have >>> access to all student's home directories no matter what computer >>> they are >>> using. >>> >>> >>> >>> The first time I read it, I didn't really understand exactly what I >>> need to do, but I intend to read this again, and see if I can't >>> figure it out. >>> >>> Anyone else out there solve this issue? >>> >>> Rita Gibson >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> Rita, if you need specific details, please let me know. I will be >> happy to show you how this was all set up. It was actually pretty >> easy, and can be done in a pretty much "on the fly" manner. It would >> be best to actually do the cut over when there isn't anyone logged >> in, but I have changed them on the fly and so far it has created no >> issues. Just remember that if users save things in My Documents, >> they will be deleted with their profile. They will eventually learn >> to save to their home directory instead of My Documents (our's did!). >> >> Doug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > Why not just alter the location of My Documents at login ? Really > quite easy to do with a login script to alter location of things like > cookies as well. > > I'm not around tomorrow but if you's like to know more drop me a mail > offlist. > > Brian Chivers > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > One reason is that on Student's computers, with profiles, every use has a profile that fills up with web ages and other useless data wasting hard drive space. Deleting the profile at logout cleans up the mess very nicely. Also, the screens come back to the deafults and the users get tired of changing them every day and pretty soon, they just do their work instead of messing with windows settings. Works great for us! Doug From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 23:16:23 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:16:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] cups stopping printer Message-ID: <9bd317560601101516m2bb2fb9ax9895f4e19b497cb0@mail.gmail.com> Has any one figured a way to keep cups from stopping a printer that's been out of paper for a while? I can't imagine what the purpose of this behavior is anyway. It's not like jobs get rejected when the printer is "stopped". Thanks! Peter From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 23:40:34 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:40:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: cups stopping printer In-Reply-To: <9bd317560601101516m2bb2fb9ax9895f4e19b497cb0@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560601101516m2bb2fb9ax9895f4e19b497cb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560601101540i71f2bb7brbab687ce741c7498@mail.gmail.com> Is there anything wrong with putting this in the crontab? : 0-59/10 * * * * /usr/bin/enable [printer1] [printer2] ..... Thanks, Peter On 1/10/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Has any one figured a way to keep cups from stopping a printer that's > been out of paper for a while? I can't imagine what the purpose of > this behavior is anyway. It's not like jobs get rejected when the > printer is "stopped". > > Thanks! > Peter > From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 23:49:34 2006 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (RiE) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:49:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: cups stopping printer In-Reply-To: <9bd317560601101540i71f2bb7brbab687ce741c7498@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560601101516m2bb2fb9ax9895f4e19b497cb0@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560601101540i71f2bb7brbab687ce741c7498@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69b790a80601101549r5bde7131q46358a04939032bb@mail.gmail.com> On 1/10/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Is there anything wrong with putting this in the crontab? : > > > 0-59/10 * * * * /usr/bin/enable [printer1] [printer2] ..... > what if you run enable on a printer that is already started? will that be a problem? For the minute, you could just do */10 -- roger From sbetts at msad52.k12.me.us Tue Jan 10 23:52:04 2006 From: sbetts at msad52.k12.me.us (Sharon Betts) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:52:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nick -- thanks for the note. I will look at WebsiteBaker. Sharon "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 at 3:37 PM -0500 wrote: >I've been playing with Mambo for my school's site > and it isn't half-bad, but it's not >exactly easy to work with. > >One that I've been using more and more is Website Baker >, it's quick, easy and actually kinda fun to >use. Not exactly K-12 oriented, but it's easy to delegate permissions for >teacher pages, administrative pages, and stuff like that. I enjoy it. > >I'll check out GVCSiteMaker though, see what that offers. > >-Nick > >nicholas|santiago >484.893.1044 >nsantiago at caclv.org > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sharon Betts [mailto:sbetts at msad52.k12.me.us] >Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:49 >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: [K12OSN] Web software > >I am at a new district now and we need to completely rebuild our website. >We have looked at Drupal and Joopla. They are nice, but not really tuned >to >K-12 use. Does anyone have anything that they reallly recommend? >I do like the look of GVCSiteMaker -- and may go with it, but want to make >certain we cover all the bases. > >Thanks > >Sharon Betts >Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 >59 Cobb Rd >Turner, ME 04282 >207-225-4565 >sbetts at msad52.k12.me.us >The supreme accomplishment is to blur the line between work and play. >~Arnold Toynbee > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Sharon Betts Educational Technology Coordinator MSAD#52 59 Cobb Rd Turner, ME 04282 207-225-4565 sbetts at msad52.k12.me.us The supreme accomplishment is to blur the line between work and play. ~Arnold Toynbee From vceder at canterburyschool.org Wed Jan 11 00:03:03 2006 From: vceder at canterburyschool.org (Vern Ceder) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:03:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: cups stopping printer In-Reply-To: <69b790a80601101549r5bde7131q46358a04939032bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560601101516m2bb2fb9ax9895f4e19b497cb0@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560601101540i71f2bb7brbab687ce741c7498@mail.gmail.com> <69b790a80601101549r5bde7131q46358a04939032bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43C44B37.2020509@canterburyschool.org> We've used this strategy for quite a while. While I believe enabling an already started printer is fine, I actually wrote a script to find the disabled ones and enable only those. Here's my "cupstickle" script which we run every 5 mimutes in a cron job: ----------------------------------------- #!/bin/bash /usr/bin/enable `/usr/bin/lpstat -p | /bin/grep disabled | /usr/bin/cut -f 2 -d " "` ----------------------------------------- (the last two lines above should really be on the same line, there is only one line after the #!/bin/bash) HTH, Vern RiE wrote: > On 1/10/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > >>Is there anything wrong with putting this in the crontab? : >> >> >>0-59/10 * * * * /usr/bin/enable [printer1] [printer2] ..... >> > > what if you run enable on a printer that is already started? will > that be a problem? > > For the minute, you could just do */10 > > -- > roger > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 From vceder at canterburyschool.org Wed Jan 11 00:06:47 2006 From: vceder at canterburyschool.org (Vern Ceder) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:06:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: cups stopping printer In-Reply-To: <43C44B37.2020509@canterburyschool.org> References: <9bd317560601101516m2bb2fb9ax9895f4e19b497cb0@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560601101540i71f2bb7brbab687ce741c7498@mail.gmail.com> <69b790a80601101549r5bde7131q46358a04939032bb@mail.gmail.com> <43C44B37.2020509@canterburyschool.org> Message-ID: <43C44C17.2010902@canterburyschool.org> Never mind my blather about two lines or one line... it looks like the script came through with no word wrapping and is fine... Vern Vern Ceder wrote: > We've used this strategy for quite a while. While I believe enabling an > already started printer is fine, I actually wrote a script to find the > disabled ones and enable only those. > > Here's my "cupstickle" script which we run every 5 mimutes in a cron job: > ----------------------------------------- > #!/bin/bash > /usr/bin/enable `/usr/bin/lpstat -p | /bin/grep disabled | /usr/bin/cut > -f 2 -d " "` > ----------------------------------------- > (the last two lines above should really be on the same line, there is > only one line after the #!/bin/bash) > > HTH, > > Vern > > RiE wrote: > >> On 1/10/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: >> >>> Is there anything wrong with putting this in the crontab? : >>> >>> >>> 0-59/10 * * * * /usr/bin/enable [printer1] [printer2] ..... >>> >> >> what if you run enable on a printer that is already started? will >> that be a problem? >> >> For the minute, you could just do */10 >> >> -- >> roger >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jan 11 00:41:17 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:41:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: cups stopping printer In-Reply-To: <43C44B37.2020509@canterburyschool.org> References: <9bd317560601101516m2bb2fb9ax9895f4e19b497cb0@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560601101540i71f2bb7brbab687ce741c7498@mail.gmail.com> <69b790a80601101549r5bde7131q46358a04939032bb@mail.gmail.com> <43C44B37.2020509@canterburyschool.org> Message-ID: <43C4542D.9020202@paasda.org> while this takes resolves the issue..it doesn't solve the problem...the printer stops for seemingly no reason at all...a printer without paper should still accept print jobs until it's mem is full, so that when the little dude who figures out to put paper in, his print jobs spews forth ;) Vern Ceder wrote: > We've used this strategy for quite a while. While I believe enabling an > already started printer is fine, I actually wrote a script to find the > disabled ones and enable only those. > > Here's my "cupstickle" script which we run every 5 mimutes in a cron job: > ----------------------------------------- > #!/bin/bash > /usr/bin/enable `/usr/bin/lpstat -p | /bin/grep disabled | /usr/bin/cut > -f 2 -d " "` > ----------------------------------------- > (the last two lines above should really be on the same line, there is > only one line after the #!/bin/bash) > > HTH, > > Vern > > RiE wrote: > >> On 1/10/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: >> >>> Is there anything wrong with putting this in the crontab? : >>> >>> >>> 0-59/10 * * * * /usr/bin/enable [printer1] [printer2] ..... >>> >> >> what if you run enable on a printer that is already started? will >> that be a problem? >> >> For the minute, you could just do */10 >> >> -- >> roger >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 00:59:16 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:59:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: cups stopping printer In-Reply-To: <43C4542D.9020202@paasda.org> References: <9bd317560601101516m2bb2fb9ax9895f4e19b497cb0@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560601101540i71f2bb7brbab687ce741c7498@mail.gmail.com> <69b790a80601101549r5bde7131q46358a04939032bb@mail.gmail.com> <43C44B37.2020509@canterburyschool.org> <43C4542D.9020202@paasda.org> Message-ID: <9bd317560601101659h46483b49jf68f8d6c493ce216@mail.gmail.com> > printer stops for seemingly no reason at all.. Well according to the logs it's timing out but I've heard that this behavior of stopping printers without paper is a feature of cups. I just can't figure out why that's considered useful. On 1/10/06, Huck wrote: > while this takes resolves the issue..it doesn't solve the problem...the > printer stops for seemingly no reason at all...a printer without paper > should still accept print jobs until it's mem is full, so that when the > little dude who figures out to put paper in, his print jobs spews forth ;) > > Vern Ceder wrote: > > We've used this strategy for quite a while. While I believe enabling an > > already started printer is fine, I actually wrote a script to find the > > disabled ones and enable only those. > > > > Here's my "cupstickle" script which we run every 5 mimutes in a cron job: > > ----------------------------------------- > > #!/bin/bash > > /usr/bin/enable `/usr/bin/lpstat -p | /bin/grep disabled | /usr/bin/cut > > -f 2 -d " "` > > ----------------------------------------- > > (the last two lines above should really be on the same line, there is > > only one line after the #!/bin/bash) > > > > HTH, > > > > Vern > > > > RiE wrote: > > > >> On 1/10/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > >> > >>> Is there anything wrong with putting this in the crontab? : > >>> > >>> > >>> 0-59/10 * * * * /usr/bin/enable [printer1] [printer2] ..... > >>> > >> > >> what if you run enable on a printer that is already started? will > >> that be a problem? > >> > >> For the minute, you could just do */10 > >> > >> -- > >> roger > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From vceder at canterburyschool.org Wed Jan 11 03:47:09 2006 From: vceder at canterburyschool.org (Vern Ceder) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:47:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: cups stopping printer In-Reply-To: <43C4542D.9020202@paasda.org> References: <9bd317560601101516m2bb2fb9ax9895f4e19b497cb0@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560601101540i71f2bb7brbab687ce741c7498@mail.gmail.com> <69b790a80601101549r5bde7131q46358a04939032bb@mail.gmail.com> <43C44B37.2020509@canterburyschool.org> <43C4542D.9020202@paasda.org> Message-ID: <43C47FBD.3020301@canterburyschool.org> > a printer without paper > should still accept print jobs until it's mem is full, so that when Should, indeed... Which is why it drove us nuts for a while. There is no indication anything is misconfigured, but it still happens. If there is a better fix, we sure couldn't find it (3 of us have tried), and we certainly would be glad to hear it.... Vern Huck wrote: > while this takes resolves the issue..it doesn't solve the problem...the > printer stops for seemingly no reason at all...a printer without paper > should still accept print jobs until it's mem is full, so that when the > little dude who figures out to put paper in, his print jobs spews forth ;) > > Vern Ceder wrote: > >> We've used this strategy for quite a while. While I believe enabling >> an already started printer is fine, I actually wrote a script to find >> the disabled ones and enable only those. >> >> Here's my "cupstickle" script which we run every 5 mimutes in a cron job: >> ----------------------------------------- >> #!/bin/bash >> /usr/bin/enable `/usr/bin/lpstat -p | /bin/grep disabled | >> /usr/bin/cut -f 2 -d " "` >> ----------------------------------------- >> (the last two lines above should really be on the same line, there is >> only one line after the #!/bin/bash) >> >> HTH, >> >> Vern >> >> RiE wrote: >> >>> On 1/10/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: >>> >>>> Is there anything wrong with putting this in the crontab? : >>>> >>>> >>>> 0-59/10 * * * * /usr/bin/enable [printer1] [printer2] ..... >>>> >>> >>> what if you run enable on a printer that is already started? will >>> that be a problem? >>> >>> For the minute, you could just do */10 >>> >>> -- >>> roger >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 From scott at remc1.org Wed Jan 11 12:53:27 2006 From: scott at remc1.org (Scott Sherrill) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:53:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: cups stopping printer In-Reply-To: <9bd317560601101540i71f2bb7brbab687ce741c7498@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560601101516m2bb2fb9ax9895f4e19b497cb0@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560601101540i71f2bb7brbab687ce741c7498@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43C4FFC7.4050808@remc1.org> Peter Hartmann wrote: >Is there anything wrong with putting this in the crontab? : > > >0-59/10 * * * * /usr/bin/enable [printer1] [printer2] ..... > > > Peter - Here's what we do, but we only run it once/hour: #!/usr/bin/perl open (PRINTERS, "cat /etc/printcap | grep -v \"#\" | cut -d\"|\" -f1 |"); while() { chop; system "/usr/bin/enable $_ > /dev/null"; } We don't have to change the crontab entry that way -- it always looks at all printers and enables them. Scott From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Wed Jan 11 15:17:49 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:17:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 6 local user accounts on server using NIS for 800 others? In-Reply-To: <43C3FBC0.2070409@remc1.org> Message-ID: Hello Scott, I'm having such an overwhelming time with this I cann't keep up! So you're saying to put the real .cxoffice into /var/local/photoshop/scott?? Or the simlink is in /var/local/photoshop/scott? I have tried export CX_BOTTLE_DIR=/tmp/${USER} and put in in /etc/bashrc as the Crossover people suggested but even with this the Photoshop app won't close. Thanks, Jim From: Scott Sherrill To: jim at linux.ca, "Support list for opensource software in schools." Subject: Re: [K12OSN] 6 local user accounts on server using NIS for 800 others? Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:24:00 -0500 Jim Christiansen wrote: > >The problem that the Crossover technician is attributing it to is Photoshop >interaction with the .cxoffice folder through NFS. > Jim - What about making a local folder for each user say /var/local/photoshop/scott In each person's home directory there is a symbolic link for .cxoffice to /var/local/photoshop/scott The directory is local, it will only affect the one server that has Photoshop installed. Just another option. Scott From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 11 16:51:22 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:51:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Web software In-Reply-To: References: <43A3593F.20900@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20060111164656.M13575@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:49:25 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote > I am at a new district now and we need to completely rebuild our > website. We have looked at Drupal and Joopla. They are nice, but > not really tuned to K-12 use. Does anyone have anything that they > reallly recommend? I do like the look of GVCSiteMaker -- and may go > with it, but want to make certain we cover all the bases. You or anyone else here might want to chech out http://www.rschooltoday.com. They are a company grown out of my local town here and provide excellent website services. They may also help organize grants to cover some costs. They use a per student costing format. Some of our schools pay between $300-$1500 per year in my area. The functionality of there sites are very complete with many usefull modules. If you want to browse our school site you can go to http://www.winonacotter.org for an example. They also have many links to some of their schools on the homepage. It isn't free but is very nice. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From accessys at smart.net Wed Jan 11 17:48:06 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:48:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Web software In-Reply-To: <20060111164656.M13575@winonacotter.org> References: <43A3593F.20900@rogers.com> <20060111164656.M13575@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:49:25 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote > > I am at a new district now and we need to completely rebuild our > > website. We have looked at Drupal and Joopla. They are nice, but > > not really tuned to K-12 use. Does anyone have anything that they > > reallly recommend? I do like the look of GVCSiteMaker -- and may go > > with it, but want to make certain we cover all the bases. > > You or anyone else here might want to chech out http://www.rschooltoday.com. unfortunately the site itself is NOT ADA compliant, technically it cannot be used in schools that recieve any federal aid. and it cannot be used by disabled persons using some adaptive software. check out www.W3C.org/WAI for further information on making websites accessible and usable by ALL persons. Bob > They are a company grown out of my local town here and provide excellent > website services. They may also help organize grants to cover some costs. > They use a per student costing format. Some of our schools pay between > $300-$1500 per year in my area. The functionality of there sites are very > complete with many usefull modules. If you want to browse our school site you > can go to http://www.winonacotter.org for an example. They also have many > links to some of their schools on the homepage. It isn't free but is very nice. > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From sbetts at msad52.k12.me.us Wed Jan 11 18:20:37 2006 From: sbetts at msad52.k12.me.us (Sharon Betts) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:20:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web software In-Reply-To: References: <43A3593F.20900@rogers.com> < > < > <20060111164656.M13575@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: >unfortunately the site itself is NOT ADA compliant, technically it cannot >be used in schools that recieve any federal aid. and it cannot be used by >disabled persons using some adaptive software. > Bob, Do you have a suggestion for software that does meet the ADA requirements and is easy for a K-12 environment? Do you have any thoughts about GVCSiteMaker or MetaDot? Sharon From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 18:30:28 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:30:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] intermittent teachertool problem Message-ID: <9bd317560601111030l34f87347ga1593d64ed97f955@mail.gmail.com> Hey Robert, Once and a while our computer teacher finds that she can't log a few kids off with teachertool. What can I do to troubleshoot this? Thanks, Peter From accessys at smart.net Wed Jan 11 19:04:00 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:04:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Web software In-Reply-To: References: <43A3593F.20900@rogers.com> < > < > <20060111164656.M13575@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: check out what is avaliable at www.sourceforge.(not sure if it is a com or net or org) if you can't find what your looking for there... Bob On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Sharon Betts wrote: > >unfortunately the site itself is NOT ADA compliant, technically it cannot > >be used in schools that recieve any federal aid. and it cannot be used by > >disabled persons using some adaptive software. > > > Bob, > Do you have a suggestion for software that does meet the ADA requirements > and is easy for a K-12 environment? Do you have any thoughts about > GVCSiteMaker or MetaDot? > Sharon > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 19:25:17 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:25:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] basic networking question Message-ID: <9bd317560601111125s5c247f5aye11404f8bcf51ae6@mail.gmail.com> I'm getting tired of having to keep manually adding fresh dns server addresses to machines and would rather that everything automatically use whatever our ISPs dhcp hands out. I've tried setting an internal machines dns server to the address of the gateway but it doesn't work the way it does at home with my Linksys router. What do I have to do to the gateway machine for that to happen? And are there any security implications I should know about? Thank you! Peter From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Wed Jan 11 19:42:34 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:42:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] basic networking question In-Reply-To: <9bd317560601111125s5c247f5aye11404f8bcf51ae6@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560601111125s5c247f5aye11404f8bcf51ae6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43C55FAA.8070709@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Peter Hartmann wrote: > I'm getting tired of having to keep manually adding fresh dns server > addresses to machines and would rather that everything automatically > use whatever our ISPs dhcp hands out. I've tried setting an > internal machines dns server to the address of the gateway but it > doesn't work the way it does at home with my Linksys router. What do I > have to do to the gateway machine for that to happen? And are there > any security implications I should know about? > Peter, If you've got a linux box that you can use for such things, try setting dnsmasq up on that and tell your DHCP server to point DNS at that machine. You could use ISC BIND, but that's more of a hassle/security risk IMO. Good luck, Mike From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Jan 11 19:44:48 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:44:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] basic networking question Message-ID: <20060111124448.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.aa5f91af32.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> If your ISP is providing DHCP with a router, ask them to add the DNS entries to the DCHP configuration. If you are providing DHCP with your LTSP server, then you can add the DNS entries to the config file and it will hand them out along with the IP address and Gateway IP address. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] basic networking question > From: Peter Hartmann > Date: Wed, January 11, 2006 1:25 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > I'm getting tired of having to keep manually adding fresh dns server > addresses to machines and would rather that everything automatically > use whatever our ISPs dhcp hands out. I've tried setting an > internal machines dns server to the address of the gateway but it > doesn't work the way it does at home with my Linksys router. What do I > have to do to the gateway machine for that to happen? And are there > any security implications I should know about? > > > > Thank you! > > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 20:06:59 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:06:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] basic networking question In-Reply-To: <20060111124448.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.aa5f91af32.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20060111124448.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.aa5f91af32.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <9bd317560601111206v15bc7e0fkd84bb6ed50fa2097@mail.gmail.com> That's what I'm doing now. On 1/11/06, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > If your ISP is providing DHCP with a router, ask them to add the DNS > entries to the DCHP configuration. If you are providing DHCP with your > LTSP server, then you can add the DNS entries to the config file and it > will hand them out along with the IP address and Gateway IP address. > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: [K12OSN] basic networking question > > From: Peter Hartmann > > Date: Wed, January 11, 2006 1:25 pm > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > > > I'm getting tired of having to keep manually adding fresh dns server > > addresses to machines and would rather that everything automatically > > use whatever our ISPs dhcp hands out. I've tried setting an > > internal machines dns server to the address of the gateway but it > > doesn't work the way it does at home with my Linksys router. What do I > > have to do to the gateway machine for that to happen? And are there > > any security implications I should know about? > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > Peter > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 20:14:41 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:14:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] intermittent teachertool problem In-Reply-To: <9bd317560601111030l34f87347ga1593d64ed97f955@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560601111030l34f87347ga1593d64ed97f955@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/11/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey Robert, > Once and a while our computer teacher finds that she can't log a few > kids off with teachertool. What can I do to troubleshoot this? Can you be more specific. Are the students names still in the list after being logged off or are they still logged on but their names are not showing up? Did the teacher click on "users" to refresh the list for students who logged back in? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From les at futuresource.com Wed Jan 11 20:18:47 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:18:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] basic networking question In-Reply-To: <9bd317560601111125s5c247f5aye11404f8bcf51ae6@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560601111125s5c247f5aye11404f8bcf51ae6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1137010727.20994.18.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 13:25, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I'm getting tired of having to keep manually adding fresh dns server > addresses to machines and would rather that everything automatically > use whatever our ISPs dhcp hands out. I've tried setting an > internal machines dns server to the address of the gateway but it > doesn't work the way it does at home with my Linksys router. What do I > have to do to the gateway machine for that to happen? And are there > any security implications I should know about? Normally you want your DHCP clients to use your server box for dns - which should be the default k12ltsp setup. Your server box should be able to talk to the root DNS servers and the rest of the world just as well as your ISP's servers can. However if you prefer to use the ISP you can add 'forwarder' entries in your server's named.conf. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 20:23:42 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:23:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] intermittent teachertool problem In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560601111030l34f87347ga1593d64ed97f955@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560601111223q2534e238uc53efc3ec668c6d@mail.gmail.com> The names persist and she tried killing their processes to no avail. Sometimes names persist with about 2 pids that can be killed which in turn removes the names. But this different. Pretty sure that the list is fresh. Otherwise I doubt that she would be able to get a process list on them. >Did the teacher click on "users" to refresh the list > for students who logged back in? According to her they didn't log back in. Peter On 1/11/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 1/11/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Hey Robert, > > Once and a while our computer teacher finds that she can't log a few > > kids off with teachertool. What can I do to troubleshoot this? > > Can you be more specific. Are the students names still in the list > after being logged off or are they still logged on but their names are > not showing up? Did the teacher click on "users" to refresh the list > for students who logged back in? > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 20:58:47 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:58:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] intermittent teachertool problem In-Reply-To: <9bd317560601111223q2534e238uc53efc3ec668c6d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560601111030l34f87347ga1593d64ed97f955@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560601111223q2534e238uc53efc3ec668c6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/11/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > The names persist and she tried killing their processes to no avail. > Sometimes names persist with about 2 pids that can be killed which in > turn removes the names. But this different. Pretty sure that the > list is fresh. Otherwise I doubt that she would be able to get a > process list on them. Could you find out what 2 processes are not being killed. I will do more testing to try and reproduce this bug. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 21:07:50 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:07:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] intermittent teachertool problem In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560601111030l34f87347ga1593d64ed97f955@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560601111223q2534e238uc53efc3ec668c6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560601111307l7471ad4fy846e00ae5805ae66@mail.gmail.com> You got it. Any idea how I can gather more information with the bigger problem? Or do you think they are related? On 1/11/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 1/11/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > The names persist and she tried killing their processes to no avail. > > Sometimes names persist with about 2 pids that can be killed which in > > turn removes the names. But this different. Pretty sure that the > > list is fresh. Otherwise I doubt that she would be able to get a > > process list on them. > > Could you find out what 2 processes are not being killed. I will do > more testing to try and reproduce this bug. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Wed Jan 11 23:33:57 2006 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:33:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] differentiated internet filtering by grade level question Message-ID: <20060111183357.460dd62e.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> I'm a high school librarian and have a question on whether anyone is using the same proxy server and filtering software to provide different filtering to students at different grade levels. Everyone in the district currently goes through the same proxy server and has the same level of filtering. All Web-based email is blocked as are file transfer sites like yousendit. We're having an ongoing discussion of the filtering policy and how much of a threat web-based email presents. I have an override account on the BESS filter so students in the library can access their email to download large files they are transferring back-and-forth between home and school when students don't have jump drives. When they are in the computer lab or using wireless laptops in the classroom they are unable to do it since I'm the only one in the building with an override. I'm wondering how difficult it would be to have everyone in the high school go through a different (or aliased) proxy IP that would have unfiltered access to webmail. We are in a windows enviroinment and using BESS (N2H2) filtering software. IP addresses are assigned by a Windows DHCP server. We don't use roaming profiles. Students don't have email accounts through the school district and account names are of the form GraduationyearLastnameFirstinitial (06smithj is joe smith graduating in 2006). When they login the start menu and the apps available are mapped from a folder on one of the servers. So it would simple to change the proxy IP address in IE for all high school students. How best to deal with this situation....? Jesse McDonnell From computers at stmaurice.mb.ca Wed Jan 11 23:31:36 2006 From: computers at stmaurice.mb.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:31:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows connectivity Message-ID: <200601120030.k0C0UeV3001773@mx2.redhat.com> This one is weird Lab is completely k12ltsp 4.4.x Terminal server and 32 workstations I have a windows 2000 machine sitting in a corner with a third party mail server sitting on it. It has an ip of 192.168.1.3 Linsys router is 192.168.1.1 not acting as dhcp server Server private side nic is of course 192.168.0.254 dhcping with the second nic static ip of 192.168.1.2 Linux workstations can see the server, can surf web pages, and can connect to the mail server whether it is through the private ip of .1.3 or through its mx record mail.mycompany.ca, which goes through the router which has the mail ports forwarded to the .1.3 On the linux side, all is good. The few windows machines participating on the network were connecting to the server running samba for file serving. They get the ips and dns numbers through the linux servers dhcp services. They can now surf, get files off samba, but can no longer get to the mail server in the corner. They used to be able to. Today I can't telnet in on port 25, can't ping .1.3 can't see it in any way. Used to be able to, as early as this morning. Solved this problem by assigning static ip addys to the windows machine, specifying both the gateway and the dns servers. Used the router as the gateway and the dns numbers of my providers machines. Doing that I can access the mail server. But if I leave it like that those machines won't be able to print to the printer or grab files off samba as the ip address is on the wrong subnet mask. .1.x instead of .0.x Any ideas, suggestions, help I have no idea what to do now -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim at litwiller.net Thu Jan 12 01:09:57 2006 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:09:57 -0600 Subject: [SPAM-Score-7.2] [K12OSN] differentiated internet filtering by grade level question In-Reply-To: <20060111183357.460dd62e.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> References: <20060111183357.460dd62e.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43C5AC65.7020409@litwiller.net> The most configurable with a web Gui I know of is to replace your BESS with Censor.net Linux - It can automatically authenticate your users from your a Windows server, Novell server or Linux server - let you assign users to groups and let you assign access level per group or by user - so unlimited levels of filtering . You can also subscribe to a black list service that will keep the black list up to date. The next best option SME server with dansguardian from dungog.net will allow you 3 levels of filtering. You'll have to either setup all the users or assign a user name and password per class. Both have filtering logs so you can monitor and adjust the filter as needed or print and send home as a report if that is what your TOS calls for on a user abusing internet privileges. Or if you are really ambitious and short on cash to pay for one of those you can setup squid and dansguardian yourself and configure it all thru the config files. then it can be just as simple or complex as you are willing to spend time making it. Jesse McDonnell wrote: > I'm a high school librarian and have a question on whether anyone is using the same proxy server and filtering software to provide different filtering to students at different grade levels. Everyone in the district currently goes through the same proxy server and has the same level of filtering. All Web-based email is blocked as are file transfer sites like yousendit. We're having an ongoing discussion of the filtering policy and how much of a threat web-based email presents. > > I have an override account on the BESS filter so students in the library can access their email to download large files they are transferring back-and-forth between home and school when students don't have jump drives. When they are in the computer lab or using wireless laptops in the classroom they are unable to do it since I'm the only one in the building with an override. I'm wondering how difficult it would be to have everyone in the high school go through a different (or aliased) proxy IP that would have unfiltered access to webmail. > > We are in a windows enviroinment and using BESS (N2H2) filtering software. IP addresses are assigned by a Windows DHCP server. We don't use roaming profiles. Students don't have email accounts through the school district and account names are of the form GraduationyearLastnameFirstinitial (06smithj is joe smith graduating in 2006). When they login the start menu and the apps available are mapped from a folder on one of the servers. So it would simple to change the proxy IP address in IE for all high school students. > > How best to deal with this situation....? > > Jesse McDonnell > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Jan 12 01:22:09 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:22:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] intermittent teachertool problem In-Reply-To: <9bd317560601111030l34f87347ga1593d64ed97f955@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560601111030l34f87347ga1593d64ed97f955@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43C5AF41.6000702@elp.rr.com> I have have that problem also. When it happens I reset all the desktops and individually reset any that don't work right. It isn't a cure but it seems to help. Bye Pat Peter Hartmann wrote: >Hey Robert, >Once and a while our computer teacher finds that she can't log a few >kids off with teachertool. What can I do to troubleshoot this? > >Thanks, >Peter > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Thu Jan 12 02:26:42 2006 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:26:42 -0500 Subject: [SPAM-Score-7.2] [K12OSN] differentiated internet filtering by grade level question In-Reply-To: <43C5AC65.7020409@litwiller.net> References: <20060111183357.460dd62e.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <43C5AC65.7020409@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <20060111212642.4b732083.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:09:57 -0600 Tim Litwiller wrote: > The most configurable with a web Gui I know of is to replace your BESS > with Censor.net Linux - I've got input but I'm not a decision-maker in this process and I don't expect that BESS will be replaced. Do you/anyone have any suggestions on how to provide differentiated filtering with BESS? Can BESS be configured to allow users coming through proxy-IP-1 to go to sites and disallow access to the same sites to users coming through proxy-IP-2? I'm the computer volunteer at my local public library and run IPCOP with Dansguardian to provide firewalling and filtering. Doing what I'm suggesting would be relatively easy with this setup, though there may be some problems of scale I'm not aware of. Any relaxing of the filtering that is implemented at school will have to be workable within our Windows and BESS environment. Thanks for the suggestions so far. Jesse > > > Jesse McDonnell wrote: > > I'm a high school librarian and have a question on whether anyone is using the same proxy server and filtering software to provide different filtering to students at different grade levels. Everyone in the district currently goes through the same proxy server and has the same level of filtering. All Web-based email is blocked as are file transfer sites like yousendit. We're having an ongoing discussion of the filtering policy and how much of a threat web-based email presents. > > > > I have an override account on the BESS filter so students in the library can access their email to download large files they are transferring back-and-forth between home and school when students don't have jump drives. When they are in the computer lab or using wireless laptops in the classroom they are unable to do it since I'm the only one in the building with an override. I'm wondering how difficult it would be to have everyone in the high school go through a different (or aliased) proxy IP that would have unfiltered access to webmail. > > > > We are in a windows enviroinment and using BESS (N2H2) filtering software. IP addresses are assigned by a Windows DHCP server. We don't use roaming profiles. Students don't have email accounts through the school district and account names are of the form GraduationyearLastnameFirstinitial (06smithj is joe smith graduating in 2006). When they login the start menu and the apps available are mapped from a folder on one of the servers. So it would simple to change the proxy IP address in IE for all high school students. > > > > How best to deal with this situation....? > > > > Jesse McDonnell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Thu Jan 12 02:27:05 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:27:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] differentiated internet filtering by grade level question In-Reply-To: <20060111183357.460dd62e.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> References: <20060111183357.460dd62e.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43C5BE79.7020302@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Jesse McDonnell wrote: > I'm a high school librarian and have a question on whether anyone is using the same proxy server and filtering software to provide different filtering to students at different grade levels. Everyone in the district currently goes through the same proxy server and has the same level of filtering. All Web-based email is blocked as are file transfer sites like yousendit. We're having an ongoing discussion of the filtering policy and how much of a threat web-based email presents. > > I have an override account on the BESS filter so students in the library can access their email to download large files they are transferring back-and-forth between home and school when students don't have jump drives. When they are in the computer lab or using wireless laptops in the classroom they are unable to do it since I'm the only one in the building with an override. I'm wondering how difficult it would be to have everyone in the high school go through a different (or aliased) proxy IP that would have unfiltered access to webmail. > > We are in a windows enviroinment and using BESS (N2H2) filtering software. IP addresses are assigned by a Windows DHCP server. We don't use roaming profiles. Students don't have email accounts through the school district and account names are of the form GraduationyearLastnameFirstinitial (06smithj is joe smith graduating in 2006). When they login the start menu and the apps available are mapped from a folder on one of the servers. So it would simple to change the proxy IP address in IE for all high school students. > > How best to deal with this situation....? > > Jesse McDonnell > I'm not sure if Bess supports this or not, but a number of filtering proxy systems, ranging in price from free to very-not-free, handle transparent NTLM authentication and filtering, which would give you the ability to create a different set of ACLs based upon the organizational unit of the user requesting a website. We've been using a remotely-hosted Bess solution, but are turning away from it in favor of the more granular control I mention here along with the advantage of having a large caching proxy at the edge of our network. Upon further examination, it would appear that Bess supports this as well: http://www.securecomputing.com/index.cfm?skey=1377#fbug The more I look at the n2h2 site, the more Bess looks like a very well-configured Squid with SquidGuard. Does anyone have any insights as to whether or not this is the case? Cheers, Mike Ely From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Jan 12 02:57:05 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:57:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] differentiated internet filtering by grade level question In-Reply-To: <43C5BE79.7020302@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <20060111183357.460dd62e.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <43C5BE79.7020302@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: I'm doing filtering by groups (grade levels) using DansGuardian.....I use an SME sever (www.contribs.org) and the Dungog dansguardian package. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 at 9:27 PM +0000 wrote: >Jesse McDonnell wrote: >> I'm a high school librarian and have a question on whether anyone is >using the same proxy server and filtering software to provide different >filtering to students at different grade levels. Everyone in the >district currently goes through the same proxy server and has the same >level of filtering. All Web-based email is blocked as are file transfer >sites like yousendit. We're having an ongoing discussion of the filtering >policy and how much of a threat web-based email presents. >> >> I have an override account on the BESS filter so students in the >library can access their email to download large files they are >transferring back-and-forth between home and school when students don't >have jump drives. When they are in the computer lab or using wireless >laptops in the classroom they are unable to do it since I'm the only one >in the building with an override. I'm wondering how difficult it would be >to have everyone in the high school go through a different (or aliased) >proxy IP that would have unfiltered access to webmail. >> >> We are in a windows enviroinment and using BESS (N2H2) filtering >software. IP addresses are assigned by a Windows DHCP server. We don't >use roaming profiles. Students don't have email accounts through the >school district and account names are of the form >GraduationyearLastnameFirstinitial (06smithj is joe smith graduating in >2006). When they login the start menu and the apps available are mapped >from a folder on one of the servers. So it would simple to change the >proxy IP address in IE for all high school students. >> >> How best to deal with this situation....? >> >> Jesse McDonnell >> >I'm not sure if Bess supports this or not, but a number of filtering >proxy systems, ranging in price from free to very-not-free, handle >transparent NTLM authentication and filtering, which would give you the >ability to create a different set of ACLs based upon the organizational >unit of the user requesting a website. We've been using a >remotely-hosted Bess solution, but are turning away from it in favor of >the more granular control I mention here along with the advantage of >having a large caching proxy at the edge of our network. > >Upon further examination, it would appear that Bess supports this as well: >http://www.securecomputing.com/index.cfm?skey=1377#fbug > >The more I look at the n2h2 site, the more Bess looks like a very >well-configured Squid with SquidGuard. Does anyone have any insights as >to whether or not this is the case? > >Cheers, >Mike Ely > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From scott at remc1.org Thu Jan 12 13:02:33 2006 From: scott at remc1.org (Scott Sherrill) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:02:33 -0500 Subject: [SPAM-Score-7.2] [K12OSN] differentiated internet filtering by grade level question In-Reply-To: <20060111212642.4b732083.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> References: <20060111183357.460dd62e.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <43C5AC65.7020409@litwiller.net> <20060111212642.4b732083.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43C65369.8030907@remc1.org> Jesse McDonnell wrote: > > Any relaxing of the filtering that is implemented at school will have to be workable within our Windows and BESS environment. > Jesse - Bess has the ability to have different rules depending on the machines connecting. So it is possible to have your High School machines with a different set of rules vs your Elementary School machines. What you need to do though is have static IP's for each machine - High School Computer #1 always has the same IP address. That's done with reservations in your DHCP server. Then clump your High School machines together have them in a contiguous range 192.168.0.10 -> 192.168.0.100 (If you have your own hosted Bess server ) Look at Bess' Control Center. You need to make a new zone (under Delegate Tasks) that zone will have the range of your High School machine IP addresses. You can choose a differnet person to be the Adminsitrator if you want or \local\root can be it too. Once you have a separate zone, you can set different blocklists (or webmail allow in your case) for just that zone. We do web filtering for 15+ school districts with Bess. Each district has its' own list of filtering (one school wants to block games another doesn't etc). I think you what you want to do is technically possible, but will require a bit of organization to pull it off. Scott (Who misses filtering with Squid and SquidGuard and is working on the powers that be to switch ;-) ) From veewee77 at alltel.net Thu Jan 12 13:11:12 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:11:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] differentiated internet filtering by grade level question In-Reply-To: <20060111183357.460dd62e.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> References: <20060111183357.460dd62e.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43C65570.4050700@alltel.net> Make it easier on yourself.. .. set up web-based email on your local server and let your students use that for school-required email. Then you don't have to allow those traffic-wasting "free" email sites. and you have the ability to see what your students are doing in email at anytime, should a schoolofficial, or local, state or federal government official, or even a student's parents need to. If you have mail set up already, it is easy to add webmail using neomail or other webmail clients. If not, find you an old computer, Pentuim with 64MB RAM and 10G hard drive running linux will work great for a webmail server and students and staff can use it from home, school, or wherever they are. And most linux installs come with some mail set up by default and you just need to add the webmail client. Works for us! Doug Jesse McDonnell wrote: >I'm a high school librarian and have a question on whether anyone is using the same proxy server and filtering software to provide different filtering to students at different grade levels. Everyone in the district currently goes through the same proxy server and has the same level of filtering. All Web-based email is blocked as are file transfer sites like yousendit. We're having an ongoing discussion of the filtering policy and how much of a threat web-based email presents. > >I have an override account on the BESS filter so students in the library can access their email to download large files they are transferring back-and-forth between home and school when students don't have jump drives. When they are in the computer lab or using wireless laptops in the classroom they are unable to do it since I'm the only one in the building with an override. I'm wondering how difficult it would be to have everyone in the high school go through a different (or aliased) proxy IP that would have unfiltered access to webmail. > >We are in a windows enviroinment and using BESS (N2H2) filtering software. IP addresses are assigned by a Windows DHCP server. We don't use roaming profiles. Students don't have email accounts through the school district and account names are of the form GraduationyearLastnameFirstinitial (06smithj is joe smith graduating in 2006). When they login the start menu and the apps available are mapped from a folder on one of the servers. So it would simple to change the proxy IP address in IE for all high school students. > >How best to deal with this situation....? > >Jesse McDonnell > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jan 12 14:43:21 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:43:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] differentiated internet filtering by grade level question In-Reply-To: <43C65570.4050700@alltel.net> References: <20060111183357.460dd62e.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <43C65570.4050700@alltel.net> Message-ID: <20060112143732.M87360@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:11:12 -0600, Doug Simpson wrote > Make it easier on yourself.. .. set up web-based email on your > local server and let your students use that for school-required email. > > Then you don't have to allow those traffic-wasting "free" email > sites. and you have the ability to see what your students are doing > in email at anytime, should a schoolofficial, or local, state or > federal government official, or even a student's parents need to. > > If you have mail set up already, it is easy to add webmail using > neomail or other webmail clients. > > If not, find you an old computer, Pentuim with 64MB RAM and 10G hard > drive running linux will work great for a webmail server and > students and staff can use it from home, school, or wherever they > are. And most linux installs come with some mail set up by default > and you just need to add the webmail client. It also make sure that your staff/teachers have accurate email lists to contact students with assignments, progress inquiries, etc. That is the way we chose as well. I block all web-based email and storage and use openwebmail to provide email access and access to their "webdisk". If you tie the mail delivery to the /home folder of the students openwebmail has a webdisk feature that allows them to work directly with their home folder. Works almost like an ftp client but is integrated into webmail so it takes some magic out of it. You also have the option to store email attachements directly to your home folder or attach directly from your home folder. Openwebmail can sit on top of most any existing server. I run other servers with squirrelmail but I haven't found a plugin yet that provides the webdisk access. And the ability to browse all student email has paid off many times. It also keeps them in check while at school, if they know you can see what they are sending they don't send as much personal and gossipy (if thats a word) stuff as they would with hotmail or something that is private. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Thu Jan 12 16:36:16 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:36:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool dependencies Message-ID: <60512.172.28.8.55.1137083776.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello list , Was just trying to take the lazy mans way of updating to the latest teachertool-(0.21), by installing from the RPM,,off of the FC4 ftp site. I installed the ltsp-vnc & tightvnc rpm ok,& when I install fl_teacertool-0.21 it asks for GLIBC-3.3.4 or 3.3.6 Am i safe in installing this RPM with the --nodeps switch on FC3/GLIBC-2.3.4 or do i need to actaully update my GLIBC package,,up to the requested version #? running; K12LTSP v 4.1.1- FC3 Thanks, Barry From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jan 12 17:45:05 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:45:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool dependencies In-Reply-To: <60512.172.28.8.55.1137083776.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <60512.172.28.8.55.1137083776.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <43C695A1.50101@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > Hello list , > > Was just trying to take the lazy mans way of updating to the latest > teachertool-(0.21), by installing from the RPM,,off of the FC4 ftp site. > I installed the ltsp-vnc & tightvnc rpm ok,& when I install > fl_teacertool-0.21 it asks for GLIBC-3.3.4 or 3.3.6 > Am i safe in installing this RPM with the --nodeps switch on > FC3/GLIBC-2.3.4 or do i need to actaully update my GLIBC package,,up to > the requested version #? > > running; > > K12LTSP v 4.1.1- FC3 > > Thanks, > > Barry > It is generally bad to install packages with "--nodeps" or "--force". It is REALLY BAD to do it with the glibc package. If you are feeling adventurous and have the development packages installed, you can try grabbing the src.rpm and rebuilding it: rpmbuild --rebuild packagename.src.rpm I'll see if I can get fc_teachertool to build on 4.1 and if successful I'll drop it into the repository... -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Jan 12 18:19:08 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:19:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows connectivity In-Reply-To: <200601120030.k0C0UeV3001773@mx2.redhat.com> References: <200601120030.k0C0UeV3001773@mx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560601121019j1764e2a3x2ebb67e4e0713d6b@mail.gmail.com> Well 192.168.1.x and 192.168.0.x are two different networks. Why not keep the windows machines in the 192.168.0.x network and then access the mail server by Fully Qualified Domain Name instead of ip addreess? Peter On 1/11/06, Liam Marshall wrote: > > > > This one is weird > > Lab is completely k12ltsp 4.4.x Terminal server and 32 workstations > > > > I have a windows 2000 machine sitting in a corner with a third party mail > server sitting on it. It has an ip of 192.168.1.3 > > > > Linsys router is 192.168.1.1 not acting as dhcp server > > > > Server private side nic is of course 192.168.0.254 dhcping with the second > nic static ip of 192.168.1.2 > > > > Linux workstations can see the server, can surf web pages, and can connect > to the mail server whether it is through the private ip of .1.3 or through > its mx record mail.mycompany.ca, which goes through the router which has the > mail ports forwarded to the .1.3 > > > > On the linux side, all is good. > > > > The few windows machines participating on the network were connecting to the > server running samba for file serving. They get the ips and dns numbers > through the linux servers dhcp services. They can now surf, get files off > samba, but can no longer get to the mail server in the corner. They used to > be able to. Today I can't telnet in on port 25, can't ping .1.3 can't see > it in any way. Used to be able to, as early as this morning. > > > > Solved this problem by assigning static ip addys to the windows machine, > specifying both the gateway and the dns servers. Used the router as the > gateway and the dns numbers of my providers machines. Doing that I can > access the mail server. But if I leave it like that those machines won't be > able to print to the printer or grab files off samba as the ip address is on > the wrong subnet mask. .1.x instead of .0.x > > > > Any ideas, suggestions, help > > > > I have no idea what to do now > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jan 12 18:27:20 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:27:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool dependencies In-Reply-To: <43C695A1.50101@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <60512.172.28.8.55.1137083776.squirrel@172.28.8.55> <43C695A1.50101@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43C69F88.9030001@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > >> Hello list , >> >> Was just trying to take the lazy mans way of updating to the latest >> teachertool-(0.21), by installing from the RPM,,off of the FC4 ftp site. >> I installed the ltsp-vnc & tightvnc rpm ok,& when I install >> fl_teacertool-0.21 it asks for GLIBC-3.3.4 or 3.3.6 >> Am i safe in installing this RPM with the --nodeps switch on >> FC3/GLIBC-2.3.4 or do i need to actaully update my GLIBC package,,up to >> the requested version #? >> >> running; >> >> K12LTSP v 4.1.1- FC3 >> > I'll see if I can get fc_teachertool to build on 4.1 and if successful > I'll drop it into the repository... "yum install fl_teachertool" should work on K12LTSP 4.1, 4.2, 4.2EL, and 4.4 now. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu Jan 12 17:52:39 2006 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:52:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Setting up video studio Message-ID: <43C69767.4080509@stmarys-school.org> Hello, I hope this is not too far off topic, but I always get such good advice around here I figured I'd give it a shot. Does anyone have any favorite links or thoughts to share on setting up a video studio for K - 8. Thanks, John From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jan 12 19:50:58 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:50:58 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Setting up video studio In-Reply-To: <43C69767.4080509@stmarys-school.org> References: <43C69767.4080509@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <43C6B322.2070904@paasda.org> At the Florida Educational Technology Conference I attended last year... www.SeriousMagic.com/Education/ these guys have an AWESOME product for that age-group. --Huck John Baillie wrote: > Hello, > > I hope this is not too far off topic, but I always get such good advice > around here I figured I'd give it a shot. > Does anyone have any favorite links or thoughts to share on setting up > a video studio for K - 8. > > Thanks, > John > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From trond at maehlum.net Thu Jan 12 21:35:15 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:35:15 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Digital camera on ltsp-terminals Message-ID: Has anyone got this going? I can get most cameras going by using the smb approach from ltsp.org's wiki. This works for the cameras using usb-storage to send its data. Then the camera shows up on the terminal as an ordinary usb-drive/stick. However, several of our schools have gone out and bought themselves Canon Ixus cameras. These, off course, do not use the usb-storage driver and thererfore they do not show up as a usb-drive. When I plug this camera into my laptop, I have to use Digikam or gphoto/gtkcam to access its content. Is there a way to make an ltsp-terminal use this camera? Would a memorycard reader do the trick? I have tried one, and it didn't work. It showed up as a zero byte file. Even if I inserted the card into the reader before plugging it in. Off course this could be my reader being bad. Has anyone gotten this to work? I have a lot of students and teacher waiting to use their cameras on the terminals... Best Regards Trond Maehlum From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Thu Jan 12 22:22:26 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:22:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Networking Guy needed for home networking question Message-ID: <20060112172226.0be24f5a@localhost.localdomain> Dear List, I know this is "School" list, but I am hoping some of you with formal network training/understanding can help me out some. I have LTSP set up on my home network, with "linuxbox" being used as my main box and as the LTSP server. I have an IPCop box that is my DHCP server and my firewall. I have a 4 port router (with wireless) which is being used as a switch and WAP (i.e. not using the WAN port/router features) and an 8 port switch. Everything is running at 100 Mbps. Two of my computers, "emachine" and "aptiva" are win98/LTSP clients - depending on what the kids want to do/play. a third computer "boss" is a dedicated LTSP client. (Real clever with my host names;-) Below is a wiring diagram, showing the general layout and IP address (all are in the 192.168.0.* range). The layout is mostly dependent on the wiring and location of the computer in the house. (i.e. the switch services the house, the router services just 1 room). There does not appear to be any problems between the clients and the server, but my question is -- is the a networking no-no? Should I have the clients all on the same switch? Would I get better performance if they were? Making the physical changes would involve a lot just to "test" my questions -- so I thought I would throw it out there before I started drilling any holes, or rearranging desks :-) Thanks in advance for any input. Internet -- Modem -- IPCop Box | 192.168.0.* | Switch | |___ boss (.0.4) | |___ Router ~~~ Wireless Connections | emachine__(.0.1)______| | aptiva____(.0.2)______| | linuxbox__(.0.3)______| Kevin Squire Math Teacher, PAVCS -- ***************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Thu Jan 12 23:17:07 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:17:07 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool depedencies Message-ID: <61911.70.96.68.130.1137107827.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Thanks, Eric, I'll give the "yum install fl_teachertool" a test drive. You make life to easy in K12LTSP world! ALso thanks to You & Jim McQ. and others for getting the PPC support/MACS, integrated into the K12LTSP/LTSP package. Our school consolidated with another school this past summer, & and we inherited 35 IMAC/EMAC boxes,,and I now have them booting to Linux& Windows,without a hitch, like a sewing machine. Thanks, Barry Cisna From robark at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 00:59:36 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:59:36 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] scripting advice re teachertool Message-ID: I log users off like this in fl_TT skill -15 -u user || skill -9 -u user but I noticed Eric uses this method in his purge_users script # first do it nicely pkill -u user # wait a couple seconds sleep 2s # now do it the hard way pkill -9 -u user are there any differences or advantages to these methods?? I ask because I'm getting reports of the first method not working 100% of the time. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Fri Jan 13 02:06:12 2006 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:06:12 -0500 Subject: [SPAM-Score-7.2] [K12OSN] differentiated internet filtering by grade level question In-Reply-To: <43C65369.8030907@remc1.org> References: <20060111183357.460dd62e.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <43C5AC65.7020409@litwiller.net> <20060111212642.4b732083.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <43C65369.8030907@remc1.org> Message-ID: <20060112210612.0daedbaf.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:02:33 -0500 Scott Sherrill wrote: > Jesse McDonnell wrote: > > > > > Any relaxing of the filtering that is implemented at school will have to be workable within our Windows and BESS environment. > > > > > Jesse - > > Bess has the ability to have different rules depending on the machines > connecting. So it is possible to have your High School machines with a > different set of rules vs your Elementary School machines. > > What you need to do though is have static IP's for each machine - High > School Computer #1 always has the same IP address. That's done with > reservations in your DHCP server. Then clump your High School machines > together have them in a contiguous range 192.168.0.10 -> 192.168.0.100 > > (If you have your own hosted Bess server ) Look at Bess' Control > Center. You need to make a new zone (under Delegate Tasks) that zone > will have the range of your High School machine IP addresses. You can > choose a differnet person to be the Adminsitrator if you want or > \local\root can be it too. Once you have a separate zone, you can set > different blocklists (or webmail allow in your case) for just that zone. > > We do web filtering for 15+ school districts with Bess. Each district > has its' own list of filtering (one school wants to block games another > doesn't etc). > > I think you what you want to do is technically possible, but will > require a bit of organization to pull it off. > > Scott > > (Who misses filtering with Squid and SquidGuard and is working on the > powers that be to switch ;-) ) Thanks for the BESS pointers, Scott, and Mike. "powers that be" are at play here, also, and past practice has been to buy turnkey packages from the bigname players and have them installed and setup by outside vendors/consultants. Thanks everyone for all the great suggestions on alternate ways to filter and how to avoid bandwidth intensive external email. The idea of using internally hosted webmail makes absolute sense. We use MS Exchange Server (the version with Outlook web access) for staff email. There are probably about 200 staff accounts. Would adding 1200 student accounts for high schoolers pose any major problems? Thanks! Jesse From glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Fri Jan 13 01:52:51 2006 From: glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:52:51 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20Digital=20camera=20on=20l?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tsp-terminals?= Message-ID: >>> Would a memorycard reader do the trick? I have tried one, and it didn't work. It showed up as a zero byte file. Even if I inserted the card into the reader before plugging it in. Off course this could be my reader being bad. There are non-standard memory card readers around, i have one that Linux goes bezerk when it sees it. Try other card readers especially then ones that come without a CDROM (thus uses the standard usb mass storage driver). From admin at bookpeople.com Fri Jan 13 09:08:42 2006 From: admin at bookpeople.com (Steve Bercu) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:08:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] http request on multi nic ltsp server Message-ID: <20060113090842.39822.qmail@web209.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com> hello everyone, I'm upgrading our server and would like to utilize squid/squidguard for client access. Basically, we have clients on 2 floors. we run a transparent proxy handling our filtering. However, clients on the 1st floor should have different http access than the 2nd floor. The problem is that if you don't run local apps, the proxy will only see that the requests come from the ltsp server address, not the specific client. I thought that if the ltsp server had two nics, one to serve each floor, that maybe the http request would be made from the host/cleint specific lts.conf definition of 'server'. I've tried this, but it doesn't work. When reviewing the squid log, the requests are made from whichever interface is intialized first (ex:"# ifup ethx ethy", ethx's address is the one found in the log) Any idea how I can make this work? below is my dhcpd.conf and lts.conf many thanks in advance! -David Neimeyer ######################################### ############# dhcpd.conf ################ default-lease-time 21600; max-lease-time 21600; ddns-update-style none; allow booting; allow bootp; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option broadcast-address 192.150.1.255; option routers 192.150.1.252; option domain-name-servers 192.150.1.250; option domain-name "bookpeople.com"; option root-path "192.150.1.252:/opt/ltsp/i386"; option option-128 code 128 = string; option option-129 code 129 = text; # dynamic assignment for testing only; access specific hosts below shared-network WORKSTATIONS { subnet 192.150.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range dynamic-bootp 192.150.1.1 192.150.1.105; use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.150.1.252; # trick from Peter Rundle if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" { filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ } else { filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; } } } group { use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.0.251; option routers 192.150.1.251; host ws017 { hardware ethernet 00:D0:B7:86:B7:24; fixed-address 192.150.1.17; filename "/lts/2.6.9-ltsp-3/pxelinux.0"; } } group { use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.150.1.252; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option broadcast-address 192.150.1.255; option routers 192.150.1.252; option domain-name-servers 192.150.1.250; option domain-name "bookpeople.com"; option root-path "192.150.1.252:/opt/ltsp/i386"; host ws016 { #wkst in tech office hardware ethernet 00:D0:B7:7A:AB:31; fixed-address 192.150.1.16; filename "/lts/2.6.9-ltsp-3/pxelinux.0"; } } ######################################## ############ lts.conf ################## [Default] SERVER = 192.150.1.252 XSERVER = auto X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 USE_XFS = N SCREEN_01 = startx SCREEN_02 = shell [ws017] SERVER = 192.150.1.251 From veewee77 at alltel.net Fri Jan 13 12:29:44 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:29:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Networking Guy needed for home networking question In-Reply-To: <20060112172226.0be24f5a@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060112172226.0be24f5a@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43C79D38.3010809@alltel.net> Gentgeen wrote: >Dear List, > >I know this is "School" list, but I am hoping some of you with formal >network training/understanding can help me out some. > >I have LTSP set up on my home network, with "linuxbox" being used as my >main box and as the LTSP server. I have an IPCop box that is my DHCP >server and my firewall. I have a 4 port router (with wireless) which >is being used as a switch and WAP (i.e. not using the WAN port/router >features) and an 8 port switch. Everything is running at 100 Mbps. > >Two of my computers, "emachine" and "aptiva" are win98/LTSP clients - >depending on what the kids want to do/play. a third computer "boss" is >a dedicated LTSP client. (Real clever with my host names;-) Below is a >wiring diagram, showing the general layout and IP address (all are in >the 192.168.0.* range). The layout is mostly dependent on the wiring >and location of the computer in the house. (i.e. the switch services the >house, the router services just 1 room). > >There does not appear to be any problems between the clients and the >server, but my question is -- is the a networking no-no? Should I have >the clients all on the same switch? Would I get better performance if >they were? Making the physical changes would involve a lot just to >"test" my questions -- so I thought I would throw it out there before I >started drilling any holes, or rearranging desks :-) Thanks in advance >for any input. > >Internet -- Modem -- IPCop Box > | > 192.168.0.* > | > Switch > | > |___ boss (.0.4) > | > |___ Router ~~~ Wireless Connections > | > emachine__(.0.1)______| > | > aptiva____(.0.2)______| > | > linuxbox__(.0.3)______| > > > > >Kevin Squire >Math Teacher, PAVCS > > > I see no problems with your setup. . . If it works that way, ler 'er fly! Doug From rcataldo at mfvexpo.com Fri Jan 13 13:04:26 2006 From: rcataldo at mfvexpo.com (Bob Cataldo) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:04:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Networking Guy needed for home networking question In-Reply-To: <20060112172226.0be24f5a@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060112172226.0be24f5a@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43C7A55A.70705@mfvexpo.com> Gentgeen wrote: >Dear List, > >I know this is "School" list, but I am hoping some of you with formal >network training/understanding can help me out some. > >I have LTSP set up on my home network, with "linuxbox" being used as my >main box and as the LTSP server. I have an IPCop box that is my DHCP >server and my firewall. I have a 4 port router (with wireless) which >is being used as a switch and WAP (i.e. not using the WAN port/router >features) and an 8 port switch. Everything is running at 100 Mbps. > >Two of my computers, "emachine" and "aptiva" are win98/LTSP clients - >depending on what the kids want to do/play. a third computer "boss" is >a dedicated LTSP client. (Real clever with my host names;-) Below is a >wiring diagram, showing the general layout and IP address (all are in >the 192.168.0.* range). The layout is mostly dependent on the wiring >and location of the computer in the house. (i.e. the switch services the >house, the router services just 1 room). > >There does not appear to be any problems between the clients and the >server, but my question is -- is the a networking no-no? Should I have >the clients all on the same switch? Would I get better performance if >they were? Making the physical changes would involve a lot just to >"test" my questions -- so I thought I would throw it out there before I >started drilling any holes, or rearranging desks :-) Thanks in advance >for any input. > >Internet -- Modem -- IPCop Box > | > 192.168.0.* > | > Switch > | > |___ boss (.0.4) > | > |___ Router ~~~ Wireless Connections > | > emachine__(.0.1)______| > | > aptiva____(.0.2)______| > | > linuxbox__(.0.3)______| > > > > >Kevin Squire >Math Teacher, PAVCS > > > Kevin, It really depends on traffic generated on the network on how/where the switch and router should be. In most setups, the router goes between the network and the "world" as it provides some filtering and provides some services - ie: vpn, remote control/access, dhcp, etc... Are you using the router as a router or just another switch with a wireless access point? You probably do not do anything with the router other than provide connectivity so it is functioning as a switch with a wireless access point. There is nothing wrong with you setup. If you have a switch as opposed to a "hub" you get some traffic filtering. Another variable is where the traffic from the 3 pc's go. How much is to Boss and how much is to the internet. If it is like most home ( and small office ) setups, the majority of the traffic is to the internet. The bottleneck or slow point of the network is the speed of the line from the ISP not the internal setup. The only limitation is the number of routers or switches is a setup ( hops ). Five is considered max ( switch to switch to switch to switch... ). So as long as you don't plan on adding too many more computers and switches in you home, you should be fine ( or just run a cable from all you switches/hubs back to the main switch ). The only think I consider wrong ( just my opinion ) is your internal IP addresses. I never leave any router with it's default IP address. I always change the address to something ie: last 2 digits on year married, birthday, etc - ex: 192.168.70.x or 192.168.86.x. Hope this helps a little. Bob Cataldo MFV EXPOSITIONS From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jan 13 13:54:23 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (petre at maltzen.net) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 07:54:23 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] scripting advice re teachertool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3735.209.183.206.12.1137160463.squirrel@209.183.206.12> I think Eric's method is more bulletproof. Many times when I've tried to kill all the processes for a given user, they don't all die at the same time, some taking longer than others. I'll run 'ps -ef |grep $user' and then kill -15 the PIDs by hand, and then run 'ps -ef ' again, and some processes will still be out there. So, then I 'kill -9' those remaining processes, only to be told they don't exist, do the ps again, and indeed they have disappeared. Eric's approach allows that some processes will be slackers. OTOH, I like the look of your appoach: shorter, more succinct. But I think in this case you should choose function over form. > I log users off like this in fl_TT > > skill -15 -u user || skill -9 -u user > > but I noticed Eric uses this method in his purge_users script > > # first do it nicely > pkill -u user > # wait a couple seconds > sleep 2s > # now do it the hard way > pkill -9 -u user > > are there any differences or advantages to these methods?? > I ask because I'm getting reports of the first method not working 100% > of the time. > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bkovach at logrog.net Fri Jan 13 14:28:07 2006 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:28:07 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Flash plug-in Message-ID: <32775.216.229.68.126.1137162487.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> I am having trouble installing the Firefox flash plug-in. We have K12 V 4.2.0, although it updates via yum every night. I can get it to install for a single user, but not for the whole lot of them. Any help? BK -- "I don't know" isn't a penalty or an excuse. It's an opportunity. From fhkms at adelphia.net Fri Jan 13 14:29:00 2006 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:29:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] cancel print jobs Message-ID: <1137162540.16575.1.camel@ws231.ltsp> Hi all, This might be a bit off topic; how do you cancel all print jobs from the command line? I have some students that think if you continue to click "print" that their assignment will eventually appear from the printer. I assume you have to be logged in as root. Then what? Thanks! From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Jan 13 14:41:23 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:41:23 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] cancel print jobs In-Reply-To: <1137162540.16575.1.camel@ws231.ltsp> References: <1137162540.16575.1.camel@ws231.ltsp> Message-ID: <43C7BC13.7090107@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Will Hatch wrote: > Hi all, > > This might be a bit off topic; how do you cancel all print jobs from the > command line? I have some students that think if you continue to click > "print" that their assignment will eventually appear from the printer. > I assume you have to be logged in as root. Then what? Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I use this on the printserver for i in `lpstat -o|grep printername|awk '{print $1}'`; do cancel $i; done So if your printer was called `bigprinter` you'd have for i in `lpstat -o|grep bigprinter|awk '{print $1}'`; do cancel $i; done I've actually set this up as a custom job in Webmin to make it easier to run. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jam at mcquil.com Fri Jan 13 14:47:39 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:47:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] cancel print jobs In-Reply-To: <43C7BC13.7090107@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <1137162540.16575.1.camel@ws231.ltsp> <43C7BC13.7090107@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <43C7BD8B.1090302@McQuil.com> Why not something simple like this: cancel -a -d bigprinter That will remove ALL print jobs for the 'bigprinter' destination. You can configure sudo if you want to give the cancel capability to non-root users. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Brian Chivers wrote: > Will Hatch wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> This might be a bit off topic; how do you cancel all print jobs from the >> command line? I have some students that think if you continue to click >> "print" that their assignment will eventually appear from the printer. >> I assume you have to be logged in as root. Then what? Thanks! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > I use this on the printserver > > for i in `lpstat -o|grep printername|awk '{print $1}'`; do cancel $i; > done > > So if your printer was called `bigprinter` you'd have > > for i in `lpstat -o|grep bigprinter|awk '{print $1}'`; do cancel $i; done > > > I've actually set this up as a custom job in Webmin to make it easier > to run. > > Brian > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jan 13 15:41:42 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:41:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] scripting advice re teachertool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In teachertool I'm noticing that some stubborn processes can cause a user to linger even when we try to log them off....I've adapted this script to kill off lingering users #!/bin/sh # usage stop username # stop # script to logoff a student # if [ $1 != "root" ] then for i in $(pgrep -u $1) do kill -9 $i done else clear echo "Can't kill the root!!" fi Eric's script works well too....I remember the thread a few years ago that spawned his script....I used the subject line "How to kill users"...I got lots of hilarious responses. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, January 12, 2006 at 7:59 PM +0000 wrote: >I log users off like this in fl_TT > >skill -15 -u user || skill -9 -u user > >but I noticed Eric uses this method in his purge_users script > ># first do it nicely >pkill -u user ># wait a couple seconds >sleep 2s ># now do it the hard way >pkill -9 -u user > >are there any differences or advantages to these methods?? >I ask because I'm getting reports of the first method not working 100% >of the time. >-- >Robert Arkiletian >C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jan 13 15:41:42 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:41:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] scripting advice re teachertool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In teachertool I'm noticing that some stubborn processes can cause a user to linger even when we try to log them off....I've adapted this script to kill off lingering users #!/bin/sh # usage stop username # stop # script to logoff a student # if [ $1 != "root" ] then for i in $(pgrep -u $1) do kill -9 $i done else clear echo "Can't kill the root!!" fi Eric's script works well too....I remember the thread a few years ago that spawned his script....I used the subject line "How to kill users"...I got lots of hilarious responses. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, January 12, 2006 at 7:59 PM +0000 wrote: >I log users off like this in fl_TT > >skill -15 -u user || skill -9 -u user > >but I noticed Eric uses this method in his purge_users script > ># first do it nicely >pkill -u user ># wait a couple seconds >sleep 2s ># now do it the hard way >pkill -9 -u user > >are there any differences or advantages to these methods?? >I ask because I'm getting reports of the first method not working 100% >of the time. >-- >Robert Arkiletian >C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jan 13 16:49:55 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:49:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LinuxWorld! Boston! Message-ID: Just got my email to sign up....so I did! And I booked my room....there are good rates at the Copley Square Hotel. I stayed at the Lenox last year. The Hotel at the convention center is nice, but a bit more pricey. Anyway...getting excited for this year....new convention center....new year. Anyone going? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From robark at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 17:59:06 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:59:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: scripting advice re teachertool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 1) Does anyone know the difference between pkill -u and skill -u ? 2) Do they just kill all the individual pids of that user? If so is there any special order they must be killed off? (eg X programs before window manger) -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Fri Jan 13 18:19:11 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:19:11 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] PPC lts.conf question ? Message-ID: <32868.216.24.126.68.1137176351.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Hello List,, Just wondering if anyone has any ideas,,on why on the IMAC/EMAC's that are booting up fine,, I get the following message when i try and do a CTL-ALT-F2,,at the Linux login to go to a Windows Terminal server, server. The Terminal Server CLient works fine once Im logged into Linux. I m just wanting to eliminate one step for students that want to login directly into Windows,,rather than Linux/then Windows. (I can do control-alt-f2 fine,,and go to RDP/term server,,from the non-ppc terminals.) I Get" "Server is already active for display 0. If this server is no longer running, remove the /tmp/XO.lock & start again." Below is my /ppc/etc/lts.conf file: [Default] SERVER = 192.168.0.66 XSERVER = auto X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "auto" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 X_DEVICE_OPTION_01 = "UseFBDev\" \"true" USE_XFS = N LOCAL_APPS = N SCREEN_01 = startx SCREEN_03 = shell SCREEN_02 = rdesktop RDP_SERVER = 172.28.8.16 # term server IP RDP_OPTIONS = -f -d xyz Thanks, Barry Cisna From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jan 13 18:25:37 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:25:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Flash plug-in In-Reply-To: <32775.216.229.68.126.1137162487.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <32775.216.229.68.126.1137162487.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Brandon Kovach wrote: > > I am having trouble installing the Firefox flash plug-in. We have K12 V > 4.2.0, although it updates via yum every night. I can get it to install > for a single user, but not for the whole lot of them. > > Any help? > > BK > Did you try to manually download and install the flash plugin? Try logging in as root, clicking on the "Get Additional Software" icon on the desktop, then the "Flash" icon. Or if you are a shell junky such as myself, open up a terminal, "su root" and run /usr/sbin/get.flash ;-) -Eric From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Jan 13 19:20:22 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:20:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] PPC lts.conf question ? In-Reply-To: <32868.216.24.126.68.1137176351.squirrel@216.24.126.68> References: <32868.216.24.126.68.1137176351.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: <06D67941-3F96-41AC-A08C-513D65C2C007@mindfirestudios.com> Just make screen one rdesktop and screen two startx?? On Jan 13, 2006, at 12:19 PM, cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > Hello List,, > > Just wondering if anyone has any ideas,,on why on the IMAC/EMAC's > that are > booting up fine,, I get the following message when i try and do a > CTL-ALT-F2,,at the Linux login to go to a Windows Terminal server, > server. > The Terminal Server CLient works fine once Im logged into Linux. I > m just > wanting to eliminate one step for students that want to login directly > into Windows,,rather than Linux/then Windows. > (I can do control-alt-f2 fine,,and go to RDP/term server,,from the > non-ppc > terminals.) > > I Get" > "Server is already active for display 0. If this server is no longer > running, remove the /tmp/XO.lock & start again." > > Below is my /ppc/etc/lts.conf file: > > [Default] > SERVER = 192.168.0.66 > XSERVER = auto > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "auto" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > X_DEVICE_OPTION_01 = "UseFBDev\" \"true" > USE_XFS = N > LOCAL_APPS = N > SCREEN_01 = startx > SCREEN_03 = shell > SCREEN_02 = rdesktop > RDP_SERVER = 172.28.8.16 # term server IP > RDP_OPTIONS = -f -d xyz > > Thanks, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Fri Jan 13 21:51:44 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:51:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash plug-in In-Reply-To: References: <32775.216.229.68.126.1137162487.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <43C820F0.1080702@saskforestcentre.ca> Eric Harrison wrote: > On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Brandon Kovach wrote: > >> >> I am having trouble installing the Firefox flash plug-in. We have K12 V >> 4.2.0, although it updates via yum every night. I can get it to install >> for a single user, but not for the whole lot of them. >> >> Any help? >> >> BK >> > > Did you try to manually download and install the flash plugin? > > Try logging in as root, clicking on the "Get Additional Software" icon > on the desktop, then the "Flash" icon. > > Or if you are a shell junky such as myself, open up a terminal, "su root" > and run /usr/sbin/get.flash ;-) > > -Eric > Another slightly sillier option is to install wine, then install Windows Firefox, then install flash and shockwave from there. That's how I got the games at lego.com working for my 7-yr-old. It's a bit of a hike around the problem, but it worked, and I got shockwave running on my 64-bit Linux box. OK, so I had to kludge something together, and the rpm's for wine don't give you DNS access, so you have to compile wine yourself, and it's a bit of a pain, but now he can play Dino-attack, and that was worth it. Wasn't it? Angus. From robark at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 22:07:38 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:07:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: scripting advice re teachertool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 1/13/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > 1) Does anyone know the difference between pkill -u and skill -u ? > Answering my own post. I did an strace on them and they do the exact same thing in slightly different ways. However, I think I figured out a solution. Basically log users off as before then check if that user has any pids left in a loop and if they do then kill -9 those specific ones again. Another solution maybe Eric's method. Call pkill -15 on all selected users then wait then call pkill -9 on them. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Sat Jan 14 00:03:43 2006 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:03:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LinuxWorld! Boston! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92de6c880601131603w6bdac3bclc5421e5ed3523934@mail.gmail.com> On 1/13/06, David Trask wrote: > Just got my email to sign up....so I did! And I booked my room....there > are good rates at the Copley Square Hotel. I stayed at the Lenox last > year. The Hotel at the convention center is nice, but a bit more pricey. > Anyway...getting excited for this year....new convention center....new > year. Anyone going? I'll drop in for a visit. --Tom From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sat Jan 14 00:31:28 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:31:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thinking of setting up a Firefox server Message-ID: <9bd317560601131631k14d3fab2q71b638fa587d1729@mail.gmail.com> We just got an old Poweredge server with dual 450mhz PIIIs. I was thinking of making this an app server that just does Firefox. Would this do the job? We'd probably have only 40 concurrent users. If it is fast enough how much ram do you think it should have? Thanks! Peter From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Sat Jan 14 01:44:56 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:44:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Networking Guy needed for home networking question In-Reply-To: <43C7A55A.70705@mfvexpo.com> References: <20060112172226.0be24f5a@localhost.localdomain> <43C7A55A.70705@mfvexpo.com> Message-ID: <20060113204456.19d84d19@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:04:26 -0500 Bob Cataldo wrote: > Gentgeen wrote: > > >Dear List, > > > >I know this is "School" list, but I am hoping some of you with formal > >network training/understanding can help me out some. > > > >I have LTSP set up on my home network, with "linuxbox" being used as > >my main box and as the LTSP server. I have an IPCop box that is my > >DHCP server and my firewall. I have a 4 port router (with wireless) > >which is being used as a switch and WAP (i.e. not using the WAN > >port/router features) and an 8 port switch. Everything is running at > >100 Mbps. > > > >Two of my computers, "emachine" and "aptiva" are win98/LTSP clients - > >depending on what the kids want to do/play. a third computer "boss" > >is a dedicated LTSP client. (Real clever with my host names;-) Below > >is a wiring diagram, showing the general layout and IP address (all > >are in the 192.168.0.* range). The layout is mostly dependent on the > >wiring and location of the computer in the house. (i.e. the switch > >services the house, the router services just 1 room). > > > >There does not appear to be any problems between the clients and the > >server, but my question is -- is the a networking no-no? Should I > >have the clients all on the same switch? Would I get better > >performance if they were? Making the physical changes would involve > >a lot just to "test" my questions -- so I thought I would throw it > >out there before I started drilling any holes, or rearranging desks > >:-) Thanks in advance for any input. > > > >Internet -- Modem -- IPCop Box > > | > > 192.168.0.* > > | > > Switch > > | > > |___ boss (.0.4) > > | > > |___ Router ~~~ Wireless Connections > > | > > emachine__(.0.1)______| > > | > > aptiva____(.0.2)______| > > | > > linuxbox__(.0.3)______| > > > > > > > > > >Kevin Squire > >Math Teacher, PAVCS > > > > > > > Kevin, > > It really depends on traffic generated on the network on how/where the > switch and router should be. In most setups, the router goes between > the network and the "world" as it provides some filtering and > provides some services - ie: vpn, remote control/access, dhcp, etc... > > Are you using the router as a router or just another switch with a > wireless access point? You probably do not do anything with the router > other than provide connectivity so it is functioning as a switch with > a wireless access point. Correct, just as a switch with a WAP. > There is nothing wrong with you setup. If you have a switch as opposed > to a "hub" you get some traffic filtering. Another variable is where > the traffic from the 3 pc's go. How much is to Boss and how much is > to the internet. This is one of the things I was wondering. 'boss' is a dedicated LTSP client (no other OS on it. Now once it is booted up, and someone is using a web browser - does the web traffic travel to the LTSP server then to the client, or just to the client? I know there is a lot of traffic between the client and the server, but just how much/when is my question I guess. > If it is like most home ( and small office ) setups, > the majority of the traffic is to the internet. The bottleneck or > slow point of the network is the speed of the line from the ISP not > the internal setup. The only limitation is the number of routers or > switches is a setup ( hops ). Five is considered max ( switch to > switch to switch to switch... ). So as long as you don't plan on > adding too many more computers and switches in you home, you should > be fine ( or just run a cable from all you switches/hubs back to the > main switch ). I never knew that limit (5 hops) - thanks. > The only think I consider wrong ( just my opinion ) is your internal > IP addresses. I never leave any router with it's default IP address. > I always change the address to something ie: last 2 digits on year > married, birthday, etc - ex: 192.168.70.x or 192.168.86.x. I saw a discussion like that either on this list or on the IPCop list, made me start to wonder. I think I might change the addresses, but I have to do some thinking first. Since the .0.3 is used for so much in my network (Samba-, print-, file-, email-, LTSP- server) not sure how much of a pain it would be in comparison to what it would save. > Hope this helps a little. yes, thanks a million. > Bob Cataldo > MFV EXPOSITIONS > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- ***************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Sat Jan 14 02:05:26 2006 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:05:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash plug-in In-Reply-To: <32775.216.229.68.126.1137162487.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> References: <32775.216.229.68.126.1137162487.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <1137204326.3386.18.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 08:28 -0600, Brandon Kovach wrote: > I am having trouble installing the Firefox flash plug-in. We have K12 V > 4.2.0, although it updates via yum every night. I can get it to install > for a single user, but not for the whole lot of them. There's rpms available from macromedia.mplug.org if you're familiar with installing from rpm packages. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From robark at gmail.com Sat Jan 14 03:32:58 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:32:58 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Thinking of setting up a Firefox server In-Reply-To: <9bd317560601131631k14d3fab2q71b638fa587d1729@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560601131631k14d3fab2q71b638fa587d1729@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/13/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > We just got an old Poweredge server with dual 450mhz PIIIs. I was > thinking of making this an app server that just does Firefox. Would > this do the job? We'd probably have only 40 concurrent users. If it > is fast enough how much ram do you think it should have? My guess is that it's too slow. IMO 800Mhz P3 is min for firefox. At least for a nice browsing experience. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sat Jan 14 05:35:07 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:35:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thinking of setting up a Firefox server In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560601131631k14d3fab2q71b638fa587d1729@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560601132135y5eaf74edp457a3500d48bb010@mail.gmail.com> Do you mean dual 800s? Thanks, Peter On 1/13/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 1/13/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > We just got an old Poweredge server with dual 450mhz PIIIs. I was > > thinking of making this an app server that just does Firefox. Would > > this do the job? We'd probably have only 40 concurrent users. If it > > is fast enough how much ram do you think it should have? > > My guess is that it's too slow. IMO 800Mhz P3 is min for firefox. At > least for a nice browsing experience. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Sat Jan 14 05:48:10 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:48:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Thinking of setting up a Firefox server In-Reply-To: <9bd317560601132135y5eaf74edp457a3500d48bb010@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560601131631k14d3fab2q71b638fa587d1729@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560601132135y5eaf74edp457a3500d48bb010@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/13/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Do you mean dual 800s? Yes. For 40 concurrent users I don't think a dual 450 is enough for a smooth experience. But agian I've no personal experience with an app server, just gut feeling. However, I have run 1 instance of firefox on a single P3 500 and it's not fantastic, especially with flash content. On a single P3 800 it's much nicer. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From brcisna at frontiernet.net Sat Jan 14 14:18:24 2006 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:18:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] disk quota troubleshooting ? Message-ID: <001701c61915$63253bf0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hello list, We are trying to setup.disk quotas, on each users,home folder now. Iv'e done this in the past and worked great .through strictly Linux logins. Now we have the Windows users& Linux users,saving to a common home folder. The quota settings ,works fine in Linux but,logged in as a windows user,users can go to an "unlimited" amount of file storage. In other words, when a user adds files to their home folder( on a K12LTSP server used as our file server),if they adding these files from a Windows server login,/to home folder the quota's are not being "seen". But when they log into Linux( and are over their disk quota), they get the "You are over your disk space allotment,contact system admin". How can I go about troubleshooting,this scenario? Is this maybe a Windows AD setup,and Im clear off of base?.How does WIndows AD,,see the Linux disk quota reqiirements? questions,,,questions...:).. K12LTSP v 4.1.1 -FC3 Thanks, Barry Cisna From william at fragakis.com Sat Jan 14 14:24:26 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:24:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash plug-in Message-ID: Since updating Firefox seems to break the Flash plugin install script in the desktop folder in 4.4.1, I just download the .rpm from the now Adobe/Macromedia site and run the terminal script. It installs the plugin directly into the firefox folder /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.x (depending upon whether you use the default 1.0.6 or the updated 1.0.7) regards, William Fragakis morrisbrandon.com > I am having trouble installing the Firefox flash plug-in. We have K12 > V > 4.2.0, although it updates via yum every night. I can get it to > install > for a single user, but not for the whole lot of them. > > Any help? > > BK -- From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sat Jan 14 18:10:22 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:10:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anybody have this file ?: LTSP_Firefox_localapp-v.9.sh Message-ID: <9bd317560601141010o70a22d08je17efed4d987d73@mail.gmail.com> I'm in the process of experimenting with the Firefox local app setup from the wiki: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalAppFirefox#Introduction But the server must be getting hammered or something because I can't download the LTSP Local Firefox Support Libraries package (ie LTSP_Firefox_localapp-v.9.sh). Could someone email it to me? Thanks! Peter From steve at sierra-computer.com Sat Jan 14 18:59:27 2006 From: steve at sierra-computer.com (steve at sierra-computer.com) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:59:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox upgrade for all users Message-ID: <44412.71.111.6.68.1137265167.squirrel@71.111.6.68> I would like to uprade firefox 1.5. I installed firefox 1.5 on a test server and have it working only with my profile. Is there an easy way to upgrade all users at one time? Steve Knopik From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Jan 14 19:21:21 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:21:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox upgrade for all users In-Reply-To: <44412.71.111.6.68.1137265167.squirrel@71.111.6.68> References: <44412.71.111.6.68.1137265167.squirrel@71.111.6.68> Message-ID: Create a test user uname with /home/uname/bin/ in their path and install it with /home/uname as the root path? On Jan 14, 2006, at 12:59 PM, steve at sierra-computer.com wrote: > I would like to uprade firefox 1.5. I installed firefox 1.5 on a test > server and have it working only with my profile. Is there an easy > way to > upgrade all users at one time? > > Steve Knopik > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Jan 14 19:22:40 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:22:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox upgrade for all users In-Reply-To: <44412.71.111.6.68.1137265167.squirrel@71.111.6.68> References: <44412.71.111.6.68.1137265167.squirrel@71.111.6.68> Message-ID: <48530EF4-0F12-43FE-BADD-344054D7CC78@mindfirestudios.com> Sorry, may last response was how to do it just for you. From steve at sierra-computer.com Sat Jan 14 19:33:05 2006 From: steve at sierra-computer.com (steve at sierra-computer.com) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:33:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox upgrade for all users In-Reply-To: <48530EF4-0F12-43FE-BADD-344054D7CC78@mindfirestudios.com> References: <44412.71.111.6.68.1137265167.squirrel@71.111.6.68> <48530EF4-0F12-43FE-BADD-344054D7CC78@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <44489.71.111.6.68.1137267185.squirrel@71.111.6.68> I figured it out. All I had to do is edit /usr/bin/firefox.sh to point to the location of firefox 1.5. This worked for all users. Then I coppied all the plugins into the new plugin folder. Steve Knopik > Sorry, may last response was how to do it just for you. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sun Jan 15 00:03:56 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:03:56 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] fl_teachertool depedencies Message-ID: <51305.216.24.126.50.1137283436.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Hello Eric, This is what I got when i tryed to yum install fl_teachertool ( on K12LTSP 4.4.1 ) ( im going to give it a shot on 4.1.1,on another server Monday)... [root at JrHiLinux ~]# yum install fl_teachertool Repository extras already added, not adding again Setting up Install Process Setting up repositories k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 982 kB 00:01 k12ltsp : ################################################## 3185/3185 Added 357 new packages, deleted 653 old in 70.77 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 415 kB 00:01 updates-re: ################################################## 1161/1161 Added 343 new packages, deleted 249 old in 41.97 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.0 MB 00:13 extras : ################################################## 2903/2903 Added 596 new packages, deleted 240 old in 62.55 seconds Parsing package install arguments Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for fl_teachertool to pack into transaction set. fl_teachertool-0.21-1.k12 100% |=========================| 93 kB 00:00 http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.1/RPMS/extras/fl_teachertool-0.21-1.k12ltsp.4.4.2.i386.rpm: [Errno -1] Header is not complete. Trying other mirror. Error: failure: RPMS/extras/fl_teachertool-0.21-1.k12ltsp.4.4.2.i386.rpm from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. [root at JrHiLinux ~]# Just thought you might like to know... Thank You, Take Care,, Barry Cisna From scott at hosef.org Sun Jan 15 00:30:31 2006 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:30:31 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB-LDAP and Squirrelmail Message-ID: <43C997A7.8090103@hosef.org> Aloha Folks Has anyone set up Squirrelmail, or any other FOSS webmail app, with an addressbook that queries the LDAP database created by the smb-ldap installer? This seems a good alternative to Notes and other apps. --scott From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Jan 15 06:28:48 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 01:28:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] questions with firefox as local app Message-ID: <9bd317560601142228n7199c0d9xf19e7fffe7fda07d@mail.gmail.com> Having some troubles getting this to work. I have local app support set up correctly (i think). Doing 'echo $LTSP_HOSTNAME' on a terminal returns '(none)'. How can I fix that? So instead of using that i'm trying 'ssh {serverhostname} TMPDIR=~/.tmp DISPLAY=$DISPLAY /{path to firefox}/firefox'. But I have to enter my password. How do I trouble shoot that? At that point Firefox pops up but when I do 'top' I see it firefox-bin like I would normally. Is this really running locally? Thanks so much! Peter From gumprechtm at msad3.org Mon Jan 16 15:45:37 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:45:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] internet cache files Message-ID: <43CBBFA1.2030700@msad3.org> I know I've seen it on the list, but I can't find the script somebody had that runs a cron job to delete all users internet cache files. Could someone please direct me to that. Thanks Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Jan 17 13:58:35 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:58:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] internet cache files In-Reply-To: <43CBBFA1.2030700@msad3.org> References: <43CBBFA1.2030700@msad3.org> Message-ID: Wrote one for you....try this...make it executable. !#/bin/bash for x in `ls /home`; do echo "Doing $x ..." cd /home/${x}/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/Cache rm -Rf * done "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Mon Jan 16 2006 at 10:45 +0000 wrote: >I know I've seen it on the list, but I can't find the script somebody >had that runs a cron job to delete all users internet cache files. Could >someone please direct me to that. >Thanks >Mark > >-- >Mark Gumprecht >Data Systems Specialist >MSAD3 >Unity, ME >gumprechtm at msad3.org > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From rmccaa at tiu11.org Tue Jan 17 15:07:29 2006 From: rmccaa at tiu11.org (Bob McCaa) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:07:29 -0500 Subject: [SPAM-Score-7.2] [K12OSN] differentiated internet filtering by grade level question In-Reply-To: <43C5AC65.7020409@litwiller.net> References: <20060111183357.460dd62e.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <43C5AC65.7020409@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <1137510449.10458.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Do you have a URL for Censor.net Linux? On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 19:09 -0600, Tim Litwiller wrote: > The most configurable with a web Gui I know of is to replace your BESS > with Censor.net Linux - It can automatically authenticate your users > from your a Windows server, Novell server or Linux server - let you > assign users to groups and let you assign access level per group or by > user - so unlimited levels of filtering . You can also subscribe to a > black list service that will keep the black list up to date. > > The next best option SME server with dansguardian from dungog.net will > allow you 3 levels of filtering. You'll have to either setup all the > users or assign a user name and password per class. > > Both have filtering logs so you can monitor and adjust the filter as > needed or print and send home as a report if that is what your TOS calls > for on a user abusing internet privileges. > > Or if you are really ambitious and short on cash to pay for one of > those you can setup squid and dansguardian yourself and configure it > all thru the config files. then it can be just as simple or complex as > you are willing to spend time making it. > > > > Jesse McDonnell wrote: > > I'm a high school librarian and have a question on whether anyone is using the same proxy server and filtering software to provide different filtering to students at different grade levels. Everyone in the district currently goes through the same proxy server and has the same level of filtering. All Web-based email is blocked as are file transfer sites like yousendit. We're having an ongoing discussion of the filtering policy and how much of a threat web-based email presents. > > > > I have an override account on the BESS filter so students in the library can access their email to download large files they are transferring back-and-forth between home and school when students don't have jump drives. When they are in the computer lab or using wireless laptops in the classroom they are unable to do it since I'm the only one in the building with an override. I'm wondering how difficult it would be to have everyone in the high school go through a different (or aliased) proxy IP that would have unfiltered access to webmail. > > > > We are in a windows enviroinment and using BESS (N2H2) filtering software. IP addresses are assigned by a Windows DHCP server. We don't use roaming profiles. Students don't have email accounts through the school district and account names are of the form GraduationyearLastnameFirstinitial (06smithj is joe smith graduating in 2006). When they login the start menu and the apps available are mapped from a folder on one of the servers. So it would simple to change the proxy IP address in IE for all high school students. > > > > How best to deal with this situation....? > > > > Jesse McDonnell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From gumprechtm at msad3.org Tue Jan 17 14:47:59 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:47:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] internet cache files In-Reply-To: References: <43CBBFA1.2030700@msad3.org> Message-ID: <43CD039F.1010306@msad3.org> Thanks Dave Mark David Trask wrote: >Wrote one for you....try this...make it executable. > > >!#/bin/bash >for x in `ls /home`; do >echo "Doing $x ..." >cd /home/${x}/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/Cache >rm -Rf * >done > > > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Mon Jan 16 2006 at 10:45 +0000 wrote: > > >>I know I've seen it on the list, but I can't find the script somebody >>had that runs a cron job to delete all users internet cache files. Could >>someone please direct me to that. >>Thanks >>Mark >> >>-- >>Mark Gumprecht >>Data Systems Specialist >>MSAD3 >>Unity, ME >>gumprechtm at msad3.org >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Director >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From rmccaa at tiu11.org Tue Jan 17 15:19:30 2006 From: rmccaa at tiu11.org (Bob McCaa) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:19:30 -0500 Subject: [SPAM-Score-7.2] [K12OSN] differentiated internet filtering by grade level question In-Reply-To: <20060111212642.4b732083.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> References: <20060111183357.460dd62e.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <43C5AC65.7020409@litwiller.net> <20060111212642.4b732083.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1137511170.10458.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> We use Bess in our District for filtering, and I'm much in the same boat as per it not being replaced. I'm not sure about filtering based on the proxy IP that's being requested. Newer versions of Bess/SmartFilter allow you to create rules based on IP ranges and groups, you can even specify an LDAP search path to supposedly allow filter based on a user level. I run more restrictive rules in the labs to keep the kids on task as they try to play a lot of games. What version are you using? Have you contacted N2H2/Secure Computing about support? We had an ancient appliance on site here that I replaced a few years ago with a desktop "server" to act as our filter. If you paid for the product, you should be able to upgrade. If all else fails, try to research accomplishing your goal with squid, as that's the caching engine that Bess uses(assuming it's a Linux machine). Good luck, Bob McCaa Juniata County School District On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 21:26 -0500, Jesse McDonnell wrote: > On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:09:57 -0600 > Tim Litwiller wrote: > > > The most configurable with a web Gui I know of is to replace your BESS > > with Censor.net Linux - > > I've got input but I'm not a decision-maker in this process and I don't expect that BESS will be replaced. Do you/anyone have any suggestions on how to provide differentiated filtering with BESS? Can BESS be configured to allow users coming through proxy-IP-1 to go to sites and disallow access to the same sites to users coming through proxy-IP-2? > > I'm the computer volunteer at my local public library and run IPCOP with Dansguardian to provide firewalling and filtering. Doing what I'm suggesting would be relatively easy with this setup, though there may be some problems of scale I'm not aware of. Any relaxing of the filtering that is implemented at school will have to be workable within our Windows and BESS environment. Thanks for the suggestions so far. > > Jesse > > > > > > > Jesse McDonnell wrote: > > > I'm a high school librarian and have a question on whether anyone is using the same proxy server and filtering software to provide different filtering to students at different grade levels. Everyone in the district currently goes through the same proxy server and has the same level of filtering. All Web-based email is blocked as are file transfer sites like yousendit. We're having an ongoing discussion of the filtering policy and how much of a threat web-based email presents. > > > > > > I have an override account on the BESS filter so students in the library can access their email to download large files they are transferring back-and-forth between home and school when students don't have jump drives. When they are in the computer lab or using wireless laptops in the classroom they are unable to do it since I'm the only one in the building with an override. I'm wondering how difficult it would be to have everyone in the high school go through a different (or aliased) proxy IP that would have unfiltered access to webmail. > > > > > > We are in a windows enviroinment and using BESS (N2H2) filtering software. IP addresses are assigned by a Windows DHCP server. We don't use roaming profiles. Students don't have email accounts through the school district and account names are of the form GraduationyearLastnameFirstinitial (06smithj is joe smith graduating in 2006). When they login the start menu and the apps available are mapped from a folder on one of the servers. So it would simple to change the proxy IP address in IE for all high school students. > > > > > > How best to deal with this situation....? > > > > > > Jesse McDonnell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Tue Jan 17 15:45:18 2006 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:45:18 -0500 Subject: [SPAM-Score-7.2] [K12OSN] differentiated internet filtering by grade level question In-Reply-To: <1137510449.10458.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060111183357.460dd62e.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <43C5AC65.7020409@litwiller.net> <1137510449.10458.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200601171045.18952.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Tuesday January 17 2006 10:07 am, Bob McCaa wrote: > Do you have a URL for Censor.net Linux? > www.censornet.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Jan 17 15:11:28 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:11:28 -0500 Subject: [SPAM-Score-7.2] [K12OSN] differentiated internet filtering bygrade level question In-Reply-To: <1137510449.10458.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200601171552.k0HFqKSE010510@mx3.redhat.com> Bob, www.censornet.com -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McCaa Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:07 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [SPAM-Score-7.2] [K12OSN] differentiated internet filtering bygrade level question Do you have a URL for Censor.net Linux? On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 19:09 -0600, Tim Litwiller wrote: > The most configurable with a web Gui I know of is to replace your BESS > with Censor.net Linux - It can automatically authenticate your users > from your a Windows server, Novell server or Linux server - let you > assign users to groups and let you assign access level per group or by > user - so unlimited levels of filtering . You can also subscribe to a > black list service that will keep the black list up to date. > > The next best option SME server with dansguardian from dungog.net will > allow you 3 levels of filtering. You'll have to either setup all the > users or assign a user name and password per class. > > Both have filtering logs so you can monitor and adjust the filter as > needed or print and send home as a report if that is what your TOS > calls for on a user abusing internet privileges. > > Or if you are really ambitious and short on cash to pay for one of > those you can setup squid and dansguardian yourself and configure it > all thru the config files. then it can be just as simple or complex > as you are willing to spend time making it. > > > > Jesse McDonnell wrote: > > I'm a high school librarian and have a question on whether anyone is using the same proxy server and filtering software to provide different filtering to students at different grade levels. Everyone in the district currently goes through the same proxy server and has the same level of filtering. All Web-based email is blocked as are file transfer sites like yousendit. We're having an ongoing discussion of the filtering policy and how much of a threat web-based email presents. > > > > I have an override account on the BESS filter so students in the library can access their email to download large files they are transferring back-and-forth between home and school when students don't have jump drives. When they are in the computer lab or using wireless laptops in the classroom they are unable to do it since I'm the only one in the building with an override. I'm wondering how difficult it would be to have everyone in the high school go through a different (or aliased) proxy IP that would have unfiltered access to webmail. > > > > We are in a windows enviroinment and using BESS (N2H2) filtering software. IP addresses are assigned by a Windows DHCP server. We don't use roaming profiles. Students don't have email accounts through the school district and account names are of the form GraduationyearLastnameFirstinitial (06smithj is joe smith graduating in 2006). When they login the start menu and the apps available are mapped from a folder on one of the servers. So it would simple to change the proxy IP address in IE for all high school students. > > > > How best to deal with this situation....? > > > > Jesse McDonnell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Tue Jan 17 15:31:20 2006 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:31:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Novell authentification with K12LTSP V4.4.1 Message-ID: Has anyone done Novell Authentification on this version (4.4.1) of K12LTSP? It's upgrade time for me and i happily had V3.1 (yes thats old but it WORKS) running two years if i'm not mistaken but we have to move on eventually. So if you have any comments please let me know. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mll at mtwp.net Tue Jan 17 16:44:38 2006 From: mll at mtwp.net (Mike Lichtenwalner) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:44:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Novell authentification with K12LTSP V4.4.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43CD1EF6.3080203@mtwp.net> Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > Has anyone done Novell Authentification on this version (4.4.1) of K12LTSP? > > It's upgrade time for me and i happily had V3.1 (yes thats old but it > WORKS) running two years if i'm not mistaken but we have to move on > eventually. > So if you have any comments please let me know. I'm doing Novell Authentication on 4.4.1 - no problems. I used the same directions that I used for previous versions. The only change is that I did not install ipxutils, ncpfs and pam_ncp_auth from source - I used rpms that I found through rpmfind.net. Mike _________________________________ Mike Lichtenwalner Technology Specialist Manheim Township School District Lancaster, PA From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 17:31:39 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:31:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: questions with firefox as local app In-Reply-To: <9bd317560601142228n7199c0d9xf19e7fffe7fda07d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560601142228n7199c0d9xf19e7fffe7fda07d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560601170931y73206d45ne1339b803f7fe6e4@mail.gmail.com> Can anyone who has got his going help me out? I don't have $LTSP_HOSTNAME in my shell environment. I have HOSTNAME which is my server. Is $LTSP_HOSTNAME supposed to be my clients hostname ie. ws243? BTW, if I can get this going, I think this might be the answer to our prayers because we mainly chubby clients. Thanks, Peter On 1/15/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Having some troubles getting this to work. I have local app support > set up correctly (i think). Doing 'echo $LTSP_HOSTNAME' on a terminal > returns '(none)'. How can I fix that? So instead of using that i'm > trying 'ssh {serverhostname} TMPDIR=~/.tmp DISPLAY=$DISPLAY /{path to > firefox}/firefox'. But I have to enter my password. How do I trouble > shoot that? At that point Firefox pops up but when I do 'top' I see it > firefox-bin like I would normally. Is this really running locally? > > Thanks so much! > > Peter > From chan at sacredsf.org Tue Jan 17 17:30:50 2006 From: chan at sacredsf.org (Hoover Chan) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:30:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Podcasting In-Reply-To: References: <20060110084203.M88200@visdom.org> <20060110093224.M37601@visdom.org> Message-ID: Along the lines of this thread, I was wondering what you all are using to _serve_ podcasts? I realize that the kernel of it all is some kind of RSS thing but I was wondering whether there are third party Linux based server type tools to make it easy to do. Apple's solution is to have me replace my server with one that uses Mac OSX... -------------------------------------------------- Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org Technology Network Coordinator Schools of the Sacred Heart 2222 Broadway St. San Francisco, CA 94115 From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Tue Jan 17 18:08:46 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:08:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] USB scanner on client Message-ID: I know I've seen how to setup a usb scanner on a client but can't find anything by googling: k12ltsp usb scanner... Can anyone refer me to a link, please. Thanks- Jim From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 01:53:10 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:53:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: questions with firefox as local app In-Reply-To: <9bd317560601170931y73206d45ne1339b803f7fe6e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560601142228n7199c0d9xf19e7fffe7fda07d@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560601170931y73206d45ne1339b803f7fe6e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560601171753h21e29b9dl5128e6ebaf8b6d65@mail.gmail.com> Pretty please? On 1/17/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Can anyone who has got his going help me out? I don't have > $LTSP_HOSTNAME in my shell environment. I have HOSTNAME which is my > server. Is $LTSP_HOSTNAME supposed to be my clients hostname ie. > ws243? BTW, if I can get this going, I think this might be the answer > to our prayers because we mainly chubby clients. > > > Thanks, > Peter > > On 1/15/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Having some troubles getting this to work. I have local app support > > set up correctly (i think). Doing 'echo $LTSP_HOSTNAME' on a terminal > > returns '(none)'. How can I fix that? So instead of using that i'm > > trying 'ssh {serverhostname} TMPDIR=~/.tmp DISPLAY=$DISPLAY /{path to > > firefox}/firefox'. But I have to enter my password. How do I trouble > > shoot that? At that point Firefox pops up but when I do 'top' I see it > > firefox-bin like I would normally. Is this really running locally? > > > > Thanks so much! > > > > Peter > > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jan 18 03:23:49 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:23:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: questions with firefox as local app In-Reply-To: <9bd317560601171753h21e29b9dl5128e6ebaf8b6d65@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560601142228n7199c0d9xf19e7fffe7fda07d@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560601170931y73206d45ne1339b803f7fe6e4@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560601171753h21e29b9dl5128e6ebaf8b6d65@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Pretty please? I have not seen much traffic about local apps on this list, you will likely find more local app expertise on the LTSP discuss list: http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss Here are links to all of the occurrences of "localapp" & "local app" in the ltsp-discuss archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?method=and&format=short&config=ltsp-discuss_lists_sourceforge_net&words=localapp http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?config=ltsp-discuss_lists_sourceforge_net&words=local+app -Eric > On 1/17/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: >> Can anyone who has got his going help me out? I don't have >> $LTSP_HOSTNAME in my shell environment. I have HOSTNAME which is my >> server. Is $LTSP_HOSTNAME supposed to be my clients hostname ie. >> ws243? BTW, if I can get this going, I think this might be the answer >> to our prayers because we mainly chubby clients. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Peter >> >> On 1/15/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: >>> Having some troubles getting this to work. I have local app support >>> set up correctly (i think). Doing 'echo $LTSP_HOSTNAME' on a terminal >>> returns '(none)'. How can I fix that? So instead of using that i'm >>> trying 'ssh {serverhostname} TMPDIR=~/.tmp DISPLAY=$DISPLAY /{path to >>> firefox}/firefox'. But I have to enter my password. How do I trouble >>> shoot that? At that point Firefox pops up but when I do 'top' I see it >>> firefox-bin like I would normally. Is this really running locally? >>> >>> Thanks so much! >>> >>> Peter >>> From ssanders at coin.org Wed Jan 18 05:01:24 2006 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:01:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] USB scanner on client In-Reply-To: <1137560224.6479.20.camel@bofh.ltsp> References: <1137560224.6479.20.camel@bofh.ltsp> Message-ID: <1137560484.6479.22.camel@bofh.ltsp> I had an email exchange with someone on the list that took place mostly offlist. He was doing this successfully. I had a drive crash, and lost the discussion. Based on his recommendations and googling, I decided on an Epson Photo 2480 scanner. It required the firmware file (on the CD, and I found it online). I got busy with other things, and did not continue that project. I did hook the scanner up recently on the 4.4.1 server, and it works quite nicely. Gimp can acquire an image directly. I had to monkey around with perms a little. The command 'scanimage -L' was a lifesaver in getting Xsane initially configured. It has a slide/negative adapter and a lighted lid. It's not quite in the category of real film scanners, but I can scan a 35mm slide at 2400 DPI, and it prints nicely at 8 x 10. Once my mother learned of this, however, she presented me with about 10 pounds of old slides. Now I have a HUGE project in the queue. Many of these are over 50 years old, so I have been learning restoration/repair techniques as well. Good old Gimp is great for this. While not quite as good as setting them by hand, Auto Levels is your friend. Once I was faced with hundreds and hundreds of slides/scans, I started looking for ways to ease this task. Remember, the concept of automation is near and dear to the lazy man (even if much more effort is expended in finding or developing the automated solution). I started reading up on command line ImageMagick stuff, and batching Gimp, when I found a very nice plugin from a guy in Australia. I had to add the gimp-devel packages, and it easily compiles into a plugin so you can use the Gimp GUI (and optionally see the changes being made). http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hodsond/dbp.html On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 22:57 -0600, ssanders at coin.org wrote: > I had an email exchange with someone on the list that took place > mostly > offlist. He was doing this successfully. I had a drive crash, and lost > the discussion. Based on his recommendations and googling, I decided > on > an Epson Photo 2480 scanner. It required the firmware file (on the CD, > and I found it online). I got busy with other things, and did not > continue that project. > > I did hook the scanner up recently on the 4.4.1 server, and it works > quite nicely. Gimp can acquire an image directly. I had to monkey > around > with perms a little. The command 'scanimage -L' was a lifesaver in > getting Xsane initially configured. It has a slide/negative adapter > and > a lighted lid. It's not quite in the category of real film scanners, > but > I can scan a 35mm slide at 2400 DPI, and it prints nicely at 8 x 10. > Once my mother learned of this, however, she presented me with about > 10 > pounds of old slides. Now I have a HUGE project in the queue. Many of > these are over 50 years old, so I have been learning > restoration/repair > techniques as well. Good old Gimp is great for this. While not quite > as > good as setting them by hand, Auto Levels is your friend. > > Once I was faced with hundreds and hundreds of slides/scans, I started > looking for ways to ease this task. Remember, the concept of > automation > is near and dear to the lazy man (even if much more effort is expended > in finding or developing the automated solution). > > I started reading up on command line ImageMagick stuff, and batching > Gimp, when I found a very nice plugin from a guy in Australia. I had > to > add the gimp-devel packages, and it easily compiles into a plugin so > you > can use the Gimp GUI (and optionally see the changes being made). > > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hodsond/dbp.html > From andy at spitcomp.com Wed Jan 18 15:17:53 2006 From: andy at spitcomp.com (Andrew Fisk) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:17:53 -0500 Subject: [SPAM-Score-7.2] [K12OSN] differentiated internet filtering by grade level question In-Reply-To: <1137511170.10458.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060111183357.460dd62e.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <43C5AC65.7020409@litwiller.net> <20060111212642.4b732083.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <1137511170.10458.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <6E7DFC62-5F04-4582-8E06-43AE7E926FA9@spitcomp.com> Not that this real very helpful, but as a parent of childen in a school district that uses Bess, it seems it took the kids about a week to figure out ways around it -- they then did a remakable job of commincating the work arounds to each other! Any chance you could setup different proxies for different subnets and handle it that way? Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Jan 17, 2006, at 10:19 AM, Bob McCaa wrote: > We use Bess in our District for filtering, and I'm much in the same > boat > as per it not being replaced. > > I'm not sure about filtering based on the proxy IP that's being > requested. > > Newer versions of Bess/SmartFilter allow you to create rules based > on IP > ranges and groups, you can even specify an LDAP search path to > supposedly allow filter based on a user level. I run more restrictive > rules in the labs to keep the kids on task as they try to play a > lot of > games. > > What version are you using? Have you contacted N2H2/Secure Computing > about support? We had an ancient appliance on site here that I > replaced > a few years ago with a desktop "server" to act as our filter. If you > paid for the product, you should be able to upgrade. > > If all else fails, try to research accomplishing your goal with squid, > as that's the caching engine that Bess uses(assuming it's a Linux > machine). > > Good luck, > > Bob McCaa > Juniata County School District > > On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 21:26 -0500, Jesse McDonnell wrote: >> On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:09:57 -0600 >> Tim Litwiller wrote: >> >>> The most configurable with a web Gui I know of is to replace your >>> BESS >>> with Censor.net Linux - >> >> I've got input but I'm not a decision-maker in this process and I >> don't expect that BESS will be replaced. Do you/anyone have any >> suggestions on how to provide differentiated filtering with BESS? >> Can BESS be configured to allow users coming through proxy-IP-1 to >> go to sites and disallow access to the same sites to users coming >> through proxy-IP-2? >> >> I'm the computer volunteer at my local public library and run >> IPCOP with Dansguardian to provide firewalling and filtering. >> Doing what I'm suggesting would be relatively easy with this >> setup, though there may be some problems of scale I'm not aware >> of. Any relaxing of the filtering that is implemented at school >> will have to be workable within our Windows and BESS environment. >> Thanks for the suggestions so far. >> >> Jesse >> >>> >>> >>> Jesse McDonnell wrote: >>>> I'm a high school librarian and have a question on whether >>>> anyone is using the same proxy server and filtering software to >>>> provide different filtering to students at different grade >>>> levels. Everyone in the district currently goes through the >>>> same proxy server and has the same level of filtering. All Web- >>>> based email is blocked as are file transfer sites like >>>> yousendit. We're having an ongoing discussion of the filtering >>>> policy and how much of a threat web-based email presents. >>>> >>>> I have an override account on the BESS filter so students in the >>>> library can access their email to download large files they are >>>> transferring back-and-forth between home and school when >>>> students don't have jump drives. When they are in the computer >>>> lab or using wireless laptops in the classroom they are unable >>>> to do it since I'm the only one in the building with an >>>> override. I'm wondering how difficult it would be to have >>>> everyone in the high school go through a different (or aliased) >>>> proxy IP that would have unfiltered access to webmail. >>>> >>>> We are in a windows enviroinment and using BESS (N2H2) filtering >>>> software. IP addresses are assigned by a Windows DHCP server. We >>>> don't use roaming profiles. Students don't have email accounts >>>> through the school district and account names are of the form >>>> GraduationyearLastnameFirstinitial (06smithj is joe smith >>>> graduating in 2006). When they login the start menu and the apps >>>> available are mapped from a folder on one of the servers. So it >>>> would simple to change the proxy IP address in IE for all high >>>> school students. >>>> >>>> How best to deal with this situation....? >>>> >>>> Jesse McDonnell >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org Wed Jan 18 17:08:35 2006 From: mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org (Mark Goodridge) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:08:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] differentiated internet filtering by grade level question In-Reply-To: <6E7DFC62-5F04-4582-8E06-43AE7E926FA9@spitcomp.com> References: <20060111183357.460dd62e.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <43C5AC65.7020409@litwiller.net> <20060111212642.4b732083.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <1137511170.10458.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6E7DFC62-5F04-4582-8E06-43AE7E926FA9@spitcomp.com> Message-ID: <43CE7613.6040705@chelseaeagles.org> Andrew Fisk wrote: > Not that this real very helpful, but as a parent of childen in a school > district that uses Bess, it seems it took the kids about a week to > figure out ways around it -- they then did a remakable job of > commincating the work arounds to each other! > I've seen the same thing in our school. Would that they could solve algebra problems as quickly and teach other students as effectively. We use Bess at our ISP and Dans Guardian (very versitile) in our firewall, but I keep reminding our staff that the only thing that really keeps students off inappropriate web sites is alert teachers who really know what their students are doing at all times. -- Mark Goodridge The Computer Guy Chelsea Elementary School From DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org Wed Jan 18 17:17:24 2006 From: DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org (DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:17:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Printers Message-ID: Is is possible to have a default printer for a group? I've got three computer labs running off the same server and the possibility of printing in different labs has some teachers/students confused at times. Thanks in advance. Don "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I...I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference." - -- Robert Frost Don Watkins, Technology Director Franklinville Central School Tel: 716-676-8004 Mobile: 716-474-5675 http://www.franklinville.wnyric.org/~dwatkins This message may contain confidential information. It is intended for the use of the addressee only. Unauthorized use of this e-mail may be unlawful. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k12ltsp at trinityschool.org.uk Wed Jan 18 17:45:45 2006 From: k12ltsp at trinityschool.org.uk (Peter Deakin) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:45:45 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] USB scanner on client In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43CE7EC9.1030802@trinityschool.org.uk> Jim Christiansen wrote: > I know I've seen how to setup a usb scanner on a client but can't find > anything by googling: k12ltsp usb scanner... > > Can anyone refer me to a link, please. Thanks- Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Hi Jim There a post on the ltsp discuss list http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=ltsp-discuss&m=109648534206799&w=2 by Peter Ehrenberg who has produced an ltsp sane package which I have used, here is a link directly to the download page. http://dipe.de/~pe/ltsp_sane/ Regards Peter Deakin From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 17:50:13 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:50:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Printers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd317560601180950r40cde9b2p393a5cf7869b81ae@mail.gmail.com> I took a different approach. It's a little harsh but it rewards those who get it. I made the default printer one that doesn't exist, more specifically a fake printer on a jet direct port on a network that doesn't exist. So when people recklessly hit the print button in their app it has no effect. It seems like now everyone is 'on board' with choosing printers. And if someone doesn't know how they don't have to go far to find out. If anyone has an elegant way of achieving this or disabling the default printer in cups I'd love to know what it is. Personally I think that a terminal server and a default printer don't go together. Peter On 1/18/06, DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org wrote: > > Is is possible to have a default printer for a group? I've got three > computer labs running off the same server and the possibility of printing in > different labs has some teachers/students confused at times. Thanks in > advance. > > Don > > "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I...I took the one less traveled by, and > that has made all the difference." - -- Robert Frost > > Don Watkins, Technology Director > Franklinville Central School > Tel: 716-676-8004 Mobile: 716-474-5675 > http://www.franklinville.wnyric.org/~dwatkins > This message may contain confidential information. > It is intended for the use of the addressee only. > Unauthorized use of this e-mail may be unlawful. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From webmaster at vol.org Wed Jan 18 18:01:11 2006 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:01:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Printers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1137607271.13934.1.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 11:17, DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org wrote: > Is is possible to have a default printer for a group? I've got three > computer labs running off the same server and the possibility of > printing in different labs has some teachers/students confused at > times. Thanks in advance. I set the default printer based on the name of the workstation. This allows me to set most of the workstations to print to the nearest printer and force some to print to printers to which students don't have access. The following scripts set the $PRINTER environment variable to contain the name of the default printer. My login script removes the file "~/.lpoptions" upon each login to prevent users from permanently changing their default printer. A script called "setprinter" lives in /etc/profile.d and is run when a user logs in. Here's the script: http://www.vol.org/vol/school/freesoftware/ltsp/setprinter.sh The "setprinter" script calls a script named "whatprinter" that simply returns the name of the default printer for a particular printer. Here's the script: http://www.vol.org/vol/school/freesoftware/ltsp/whatprinter The "whatprinter" script reads a file containing a list of printers and the workstations associated with them. Here's an example file: http://www.vol.org/vol/school/freesoftware/ltsp/printers.ltsp You'll probably need to save these scripts directly to disk. They're not properly formatted when viewing them in a web browser. -- george kocke http://www.vol.org ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From gumprechtm at msad3.org Wed Jan 18 18:07:24 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:07:24 -0500 Subject: [SPAM-Score-7.2] [K12OSN] differentiated internet filtering by grade level question In-Reply-To: <200601171045.18952.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <20060111183357.460dd62e.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <43C5AC65.7020409@litwiller.net> <1137510449.10458.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200601171045.18952.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <43CE83DC.6020407@msad3.org> http://www.adelix.com/ Mark Dimitri Yioulos wrote: >On Tuesday January 17 2006 10:07 am, Bob McCaa wrote: > > >>Do you have a URL for Censor.net Linux? >> >> >> > >www.censornet.com > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Wed Jan 18 20:47:37 2006 From: glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:47:37 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20Re:=20[K12OSN]=20Novell=20authentifi?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?cation=20with=20K12LTSP=20V4.4.1?= Message-ID: I can see the ncpfs and ipxutils for FC4 but rpmfind.net does'nt give me a listing for the pam_ncp_auth for fc4. Did you use the PLD Linux distro version of pam_ncp_auth? Quote: I'm doing Novell Authentication on 4.4.1 - no problems. I used the same directions that I used for previous versions. The only change is that I did not install ipxutils, ncpfs and pam_ncp_auth from source - I used rpms that I found through rpmfind.net. Mike _________________________________ Mike Lichtenwalner Technology Specialist Manheim Township School District Lancaster, PA _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mll at mtwp.net Wed Jan 18 20:55:04 2006 From: mll at mtwp.net (Mike Lichtenwalner) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:55:04 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Re=3A_=5BK12OSN=5D_Novel?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?l_authentification_with_K12LTSP_V4=2E4=2E1?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43CEAB28.4040008@mtwp.net> Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > I can see the ncpfs and ipxutils for FC4 but rpmfind.net does'nt give me a listing for the pam_ncp_auth for fc4. Did you use the PLD Linux distro version of pam_ncp_auth? I think I used the FC2 version of all three RPMs (they were all version 2.2.4-1). Mike From mpribik at zoznam.sk Wed Jan 18 21:51:13 2006 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (mpribik) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:51:13 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Password conversion to SAMBA Message-ID: <43CEB851.1020209@zoznam.sk> I have cca 600 users with their account and password in passwd file registered. I use SAMBA ver.3 I want to move /convert/ their passwords into samba smbpasswd file. Is it passible and how? the reason is to have the same account/password in Linux boxes and in Windows XPs using domain on Linux Samba server. The best solution would be some script to convert passwords. Somebody tells me to use addtosmbpass script but in SAMBA 3 it does not exist. Any ideas? Thank you, Marian. From les at futuresource.com Thu Jan 19 00:06:06 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:06:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Password conversion to SAMBA In-Reply-To: <43CEB851.1020209@zoznam.sk> References: <43CEB851.1020209@zoznam.sk> Message-ID: <1137629166.26632.53.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 15:51, mpribik wrote: > I have cca 600 users with their account and password in passwd file > registered. I use SAMBA ver.3 > I want to move /convert/ their passwords into samba smbpasswd file. > Is it passible and how? the reason is to have the same account/password > in Linux boxes and in Windows XPs > using domain on Linux Samba server. The best solution would be some > script to convert passwords. Somebody > tells me to use addtosmbpass script but in SAMBA 3 it does not exist. The encryption in the passwd file is not reversible and the smbpasswd file needs a different encryption type. Thus you need access to the plain text passwords to do it. There are scripts to add both sets at once as you create users but you can't convert with only the passwd copy. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From daniel at solle.se Thu Jan 19 10:10:32 2006 From: daniel at solle.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:10:32 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Novell authentification with K12LTSP V4.4.1 Message-ID: <1137665432.810b78cdaniel@solle.se> Its not a problem if you compile ncpfs from source. Use GCC 2.93 and you should be just fine. /daniel -----Original Message----- From: "Guy-Michel Lessard" To: Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:31:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Novell authentification with K12LTSP V4.4.1 Has anyone done Novell Authentification on this version (4.4.1) of K12LTSP? It's upgrade time for me and i happily had V3.1 (yes thats old but it WORKS) running two years if i'm not mistaken but we have to move on eventually. So if you have any comments please let me know. Daniel Hedblom N?tverkstekniker Sollefte? Kommun Mob. arb. 0703837244 From johnny at msad41.us Thu Jan 19 13:12:02 2006 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:12:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Boot error on client.... Message-ID: <1137676322.43cf9022a6056@www.msad41.us> Hello All..... I'm not sure what happened but when I physically reboot a client now I get the following: DHCP MAC ADDR: 00 06 29 34 94 9C PXE-EA1: No PXE server found, using standard boot file IP ADDR: 192.168.0.193 TFTP: ....... It times out there and begins the process all over again.....The clients that are still booted in work fine, but if I physically reboot them, the above happens...I've restarted the services that I think would be involved but not luck.....anyone have an idea or two? John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From petre at maltzen.net Thu Jan 19 13:47:33 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:47:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] nxclient won't run, missing charsets Message-ID: <43CF9875.60206@maltzen.net> I installed freenx via yum yesterday on a K12LTSP 4.4.1 server. The nxserver works like a champ (mostly), but when I try to start the nxclient via the command line, to connect to another server, I get an error about 'missing charsets' and that it can't load a fontset. A dialog box also pops up, but there's no text in it (perhaps because of the missing charsets?). Googling, I found one post that says doing an 'export LANG=C' gets rid of the errors on the command line, but the empty dialog box still pops up and nxclient still doesn't start. I also tried starting nxclient on a Centos 4 box and got the same empty dialog box but no errors and it would not run; so it seems like it might be a Red Hat thing. Interestingly, nxclient works just fine on my old K12LTSP 3.0.1 (RH8) box. Is anyone else seeing this? Better still, anyone got a workaround? Petre From petre at maltzen.net Thu Jan 19 14:33:38 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:33:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] nxclient won't run, missing charsets--solved In-Reply-To: <43CF9875.60206@maltzen.net> References: <43CF9875.60206@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43CFA342.6020603@maltzen.net> Answering my own post, it seems the nxclient included in the freenx package is broken. I downloaded the nxclient RPM from nomachine.com and installed that and it works just fine. For the record, the article on the Fedora News website at http://fedoranews.org/contributors/rick_stout/freenx/ is really helpful. Is anyone using freenx to give outside access to school computer systems? That is, is anyone running a server with freenx and allowing students/teachers to connect from home by using nxclient on their home computers? Since the traffic is all encrypted over port 22, I'd think it would be reasonably safe. Petre Scheie wrote: > I installed freenx via yum yesterday on a K12LTSP 4.4.1 server. The > nxserver works like a champ (mostly), but when I try to start the > nxclient via the command line, to connect to another server, I get an > error about 'missing charsets' and that it can't load a fontset. A > dialog box also pops up, but there's no text in it (perhaps because of > the missing charsets?). Googling, I found one post that says doing an > 'export LANG=C' gets rid of the errors on the command line, but the > empty dialog box still pops up and nxclient still doesn't start. I also > tried starting nxclient on a Centos 4 box and got the same empty dialog > box but no errors and it would not run; so it seems like it might be a > Red Hat thing. Interestingly, nxclient works just fine on my old > K12LTSP 3.0.1 (RH8) box. Is anyone else seeing this? Better still, > anyone got a workaround? > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jan 19 15:42:38 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:42:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] nxclient won't run, missing charsets--solved In-Reply-To: <43CFA342.6020603@maltzen.net> References: <43CF9875.60206@maltzen.net> <43CFA342.6020603@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20060119154207.M52088@winonacotter.org> > Is anyone using freenx to give outside access to school computer > systems? That is, is anyone running a server with freenx and > allowing students/teachers to connect from home by using nxclient on > their home computers? Since the traffic is all encrypted over port > 22, I'd think it would be reasonably safe. How is the speed? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Thu Jan 19 15:50:52 2006 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:50:52 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20R=E9p.=20:=20Re:=20[K12OSN]=20Novel=20l=20a?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?uthentification=20with=20K12LTSP=20V4.4.1?= Message-ID: Cant find FC2 version of pam_ncp_auth on the net, would you happen to have all three rpms on hand? >>> mll at mtwp.net 2006-01-18 15:55:04 >>> Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > I can see the ncpfs and ipxutils for FC4 but rpmfind.net does'nt give me a listing for the pam_ncp_auth for fc4. Did you use the PLD Linux distro version of pam_ncp_auth? I think I used the FC2 version of all three RPMs (they were all version 2.2.4-1). Mike _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Thu Jan 19 15:52:42 2006 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:52:42 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20Re:=20[K12OSN]=20Novell=20authentifi?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?cation=20with=20K12LTSP=20V4.4.1?= Message-ID: That's a possibility but K12LTSP v4.4.1 comes with gcc 4.0.1, would this be a problem? >>> daniel at solle.se 2006-01-19 05:10:32 >>> Its not a problem if you compile ncpfs from source. Use GCC 2.93 and you should be just fine. /daniel -----Original Message----- From: "Guy-Michel Lessard" To: Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:31:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Novell authentification with K12LTSP V4.4.1 Has anyone done Novell Authentification on this version (4.4.1) of K12LTSP? It's upgrade time for me and i happily had V3.1 (yes thats old but it WORKS) running two years if i'm not mistaken but we have to move on eventually. So if you have any comments please let me know. Daniel Hedblom N?tverkstekniker Sollefte? Kommun Mob. arb. 0703837244 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Thu Jan 19 15:55:16 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:55:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] nxclient won't run, missing charsets--solved In-Reply-To: <20060119154207.M52088@winonacotter.org> References: <43CF9875.60206@maltzen.net> <43CFA342.6020603@maltzen.net> <20060119154207.M52088@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <43CFB664.9000505@maltzen.net> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Is anyone using freenx to give outside access to school computer >>systems? That is, is anyone running a server with freenx and >>allowing students/teachers to connect from home by using nxclient on >>their home computers? Since the traffic is all encrypted over port >>22, I'd think it would be reasonably safe. > > > How is the speed? > It's terrific! I've been using VNC-over-ssh for the past few years. That works but it's still kind of a pain. But NX is stupendous! With NX, I'll never use VNC again. I connect to my server at home and it's real time or at least seems like it. This weekend I'm going take my laptop to the public library, where they have free wireless access and test it. What I'm curious about is how well it will scale up. It's one thing for me to connect to my server and get decent performance; it's another thing for 10 or 20 or 50 or 100 people to do the same. From les at futuresource.com Thu Jan 19 15:55:36 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:55:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] nxclient won't run, missing charsets--solved In-Reply-To: <20060119154207.M52088@winonacotter.org> References: <43CF9875.60206@maltzen.net> <43CFA342.6020603@maltzen.net> <20060119154207.M52088@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1137686136.3936.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 09:42, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Is anyone using freenx to give outside access to school computer > > systems? That is, is anyone running a server with freenx and > > allowing students/teachers to connect from home by using nxclient on > > their home computers? Since the traffic is all encrypted over port > > 22, I'd think it would be reasonably safe. > > How is the speed? On a cablemodem it feels just like local. I even played a bit with a connection over a slow Sprint wireless PCS (the old version) connection from a laptop while my wife was driving. That's about the equivalent of a 56k dialup and it was surprisingly usable. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Thu Jan 19 16:02:34 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:02:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] nxclient won't run, missing charsets--solved In-Reply-To: <20060119154207.M52088@winonacotter.org> References: <43CF9875.60206@maltzen.net> <43CFA342.6020603@maltzen.net> <20060119154207.M52088@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <43CFB81A.1080103@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> Is anyone using freenx to give outside access to school computer >> systems? That is, is anyone running a server with freenx and >> allowing students/teachers to connect from home by using nxclient on >> their home computers? Since the traffic is all encrypted over port >> 22, I'd think it would be reasonably safe. > > How is the speed? > I use it to connect to a remote machine from home (all over port 22), and it's startlingly fast - faster than VLC to a machine on the same LAN. NX did something right IMO. Cheers, Mike From gumprechtm at msad3.org Thu Jan 19 16:05:51 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:05:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] osx auth to k12ltsp smbldap Message-ID: <43CFB8DF.9010003@msad3.org> Does anyone have a script or package that can be pushed to ibooks to accomplish all the changes needed to make it authenticate against smbldap? Or maybe know of a how to? Thanks Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Jan 19 16:22:29 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:22:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] resetting user default settings Message-ID: <20060119092229.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.9082589f81.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Is there a script to reset the users desktop and icons?? The students get on the thin clients and change the desktop background and remove some of the desktop icons. Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Jan 19 16:38:55 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:38:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] one login per user Message-ID: <20060119093855.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f6ff8b0765.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Is there a way to setup the K12LTSP so that only one workstation can login with one account. I have a teacher that apparently can't follow the simple process of logging on with the name of the workstation. She has the students all logging on with the same account and the students just sit there and change the desktop background to mess with each other. Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us From mthostenson at ci.owatonna.mn.us Thu Jan 19 16:44:12 2006 From: mthostenson at ci.owatonna.mn.us (Mike Thostenson) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:44:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.2EL x86_64 ISO disc 2 problem still happening Message-ID: <1B0FBB437B30CF4A8FEAAC0AC608ECF562A596@exchange1.owatonna.local> Hey Eric, On the 4th of January I posted that I had a problem where during the install of the BETA (1&2) 4.2.2 x86_64 after disc1 it asked for disc 2 and it would not accept disc 2...says it is not the correct disc. I noticed that a few other people had posted about this problem too. I have tried burning from Sonic Record Now in windows and using cdrecord on the command line on my linux box...neither work. Yesterday (Jan19th) I downloaded all 5 new isos dated 1/4/2006 1:29:00 PM, burned them and tried doing another install. Same problem...wouldn't accept disc 2. BTW, just an FYI to everyone. The Dell PowerEdge SC430 has a known IRQ sharing issue. I could not get a custom kernel 2.6.14.5 or 2.6.15 to boot unless I disabled either USB or the onboard broadcom NIC. I put a few calls into Dell to see if they can have their BIOS people look into this. I am sure that a BIOS update would fix this problem. Later, Mike From dpalmerjr at gmail.com Thu Jan 19 16:44:14 2006 From: dpalmerjr at gmail.com (Darryl Palmer) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:44:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] nxclient won't run, missing charsets--solved In-Reply-To: <20060119154207.M52088@winonacotter.org> References: <43CF9875.60206@maltzen.net> <43CFA342.6020603@maltzen.net> <20060119154207.M52088@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Some people at the Louis Pasteur University in Strasbourg, France have modified NX so that you can use a java client and also made it a bit more secure so that instead of using a widely distributed private key, you can use SSO-CAS. The project homepage is at http://univ-rx.u-strasbg.fr/applet-univrx/. To try out the speed of the software yourself and see how fast you can connect and use educational software from france, go to http://www.libersciences.net/. You can get an account for free and play around with it, some of the site and the language of the programs are in French. You can use the off-the-shelf version of NoMachines NX or FreeNX but the library site should at least allow you to see what type of speed performance you can get. Darryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at gmail.com Thu Jan 19 17:00:04 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:00:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] nxclient won't run, missing charsets In-Reply-To: <43CF9875.60206@maltzen.net> References: <43CF9875.60206@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On 1/19/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > I installed freenx via yum yesterday on a K12LTSP 4.4.1 server. The nxserver works like > a champ (mostly), but when I try to start the nxclient via the command line, to connect > to another server, I get an error about 'missing charsets' and that it can't load a > fontset. A dialog box also pops up, but there's no text in it (perhaps because of the > missing charsets?). Googling, I found one post that says doing an 'export LANG=C' gets > rid of the errors on the command line, but the empty dialog box still pops up and > nxclient still doesn't start. I also tried starting nxclient on a Centos 4 box and got > the same empty dialog box but no errors and it would not run; so it seems like it might > be a Red Hat thing. Interestingly, nxclient works just fine on my old K12LTSP 3.0.1 > (RH8) box. Is anyone else seeing this? Better still, anyone got a workaround? Try downloading the client from www.nomachine.com. It worked for me. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Thu Jan 19 17:06:42 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:06:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] nxclient won't run, missing charsets--solved In-Reply-To: <43CFA342.6020603@maltzen.net> References: <43CF9875.60206@maltzen.net> <43CFA342.6020603@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On 1/19/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > Answering my own post, it seems the nxclient included in the freenx package is broken. > I downloaded the nxclient RPM from nomachine.com and installed that and it works just > fine. For the record, the article on the Fedora News website at > http://fedoranews.org/contributors/rick_stout/freenx/ is really helpful. > > Is anyone using freenx to give outside access to school computer systems? That is, is > anyone running a server with freenx and allowing students/teachers to connect from home > by using nxclient on their home computers? Since the traffic is all encrypted over port > 22, I'd think it would be reasonably safe. I should have read this post first. Anyhow, glad the problem is solved. As to your second question: Yes the city of Kamloops in BC Canada is doing this in a chrooted environment. I tried it. Works great. Although I have not done it myself. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Thu Jan 19 17:12:30 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:12:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] one login per user In-Reply-To: <20060119093855.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f6ff8b0765.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20060119093855.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f6ff8b0765.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: On 1/19/06, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Is there a way to setup the K12LTSP so that only one workstation can > login with one account. Yes. Edit /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp PURGE_PROCESSES=YES -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Jan 19 17:15:12 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:15:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] one login per user Message-ID: <20060119101512.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.1f953edc2d.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Thanks Robert! Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] one login per user > From: Robert Arkiletian > Date: Thu, January 19, 2006 11:12 am > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > On 1/19/06, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > Is there a way to setup the K12LTSP so that only one workstation can > > login with one account. > > > Yes. Edit /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp > > PURGE_PROCESSES=YES > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jan 19 17:33:30 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:33:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] one login per user In-Reply-To: References: <20060119093855.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f6ff8b0765.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <43CFCD6A.9040402@mesd.k12.or.us> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 1/19/06, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > >>Is there a way to setup the K12LTSP so that only one workstation can >>login with one account. > > Yes. Edit /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp > > PURGE_PROCESSES=YES Note that while this is set, subsequent logins with the same user account will just bump the first user out of their session. It could just be used as an alternate method to irritate your fellow student. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Jan 19 17:48:18 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:48:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] one login per user Message-ID: <20060119104818.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.48cead2607.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Is there a method that would just tell the next user that this account is already in use? Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] one login per user > From: Dan Young > Date: Thu, January 19, 2006 11:33 am > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > On 1/19/06, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > > >>Is there a way to setup the K12LTSP so that only one workstation can > >>login with one account. > > > > Yes. Edit /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp > > > > PURGE_PROCESSES=YES > > Note that while this is set, subsequent logins with the same user > account will just bump the first user out of their session. It could > just be used as an alternate method to irritate your fellow student. > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Jan 19 17:51:36 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:51:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] one login per user In-Reply-To: <20060119104818.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.48cead2607.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20060119104818.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.48cead2607.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <9bd317560601190951i2c2cec59te584845e22c28ee0@mail.gmail.com> They should already get that message. On 1/19/06, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > Is there a method that would just tell the next user that this account > is already in use? > > > Thanks, > > Ron > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] one login per user > > From: Dan Young > > Date: Thu, January 19, 2006 11:33 am > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > On 1/19/06, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > > > > >>Is there a way to setup the K12LTSP so that only one workstation can > > >>login with one account. > > > > > > Yes. Edit /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp > > > > > > PURGE_PROCESSES=YES > > > > Note that while this is set, subsequent logins with the same user > > account will just bump the first user out of their session. It could > > just be used as an alternate method to irritate your fellow student. > > > > -- > > Dan Young > > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > > 503-257-1562 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Thu Jan 19 17:55:17 2006 From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us (pnelson) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:55:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Podcast Message-ID: <43CFD285.8010408@riverdale.k12.or.us> Hello Folks, I did an interview with Tim Wilson from technosavvy.org and he posted it as a podcast. It's a good interview I think. It hits the main talking points for anyone interested in using K12LTSP. http://technosavvy.org/?p=368 Who knows, maybe it will get /. ed. ;-) Paul -- ====================================================================== Paul Nelson.............................. pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Riverdale High.......... 9727 SW Terwilliger Blvd. Portland, OR 97219 (503)892-0722......fax(503)892-0723................ http://pnelson.us From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Jan 19 17:57:53 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:57:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Podcast In-Reply-To: <43CFD285.8010408@riverdale.k12.or.us> References: <43CFD285.8010408@riverdale.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On 1/19/06, pnelson wrote: > Hello Folks, > > I did an interview with Tim Wilson from technosavvy.org and he posted it > as a podcast. It's a good interview I think. It hits the main talking > points for anyone interested in using K12LTSP. Can't wait to hear it. You know what would be really fun? If somebody has a video of a K12LTSP lab or a news story that we could post on Google Video and then reference! Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Jan 19 17:57:58 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:57:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] reset desktop Message-ID: <20060119105758.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.cef66a56d5.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> I have run the /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/reset-all-desktops script written by Eric without any luck. My users (students) are using ICEWM to login. Any ideas??? Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jan 19 17:59:44 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:59:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] osx auth to k12ltsp smbldap In-Reply-To: <43CFB8DF.9010003@msad3.org> References: <43CFB8DF.9010003@msad3.org> Message-ID: <20060119175828.M79673@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:05:51 -0500, Mark Gumprecht wrote > Does anyone have a script or package that can be pushed to ibooks to > accomplish all the changes needed to make it authenticate against smbldap? > Or maybe know of a how to? > Thanks > Mark Here is a link to a tutorial I put together. http://www.1-cs.com/osxldap.html Just follow up to section 2 for what you want. Should only take about 10 minutes. Sections 3 and 4 are only if you want roaming profiles. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Jan 19 18:51:05 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:51:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How to Make Your Own "Google PC" for Free Message-ID: Many people expected Google to announce a "Google PC" at the recent Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas. They didn't, but if you'd like to try something cool, LiveKiosk.com has just released their first BETA of EZWebPC. You can download EZWebPC for free at http://www.livekiosk.com/kioskimages/ezwebpc-1.0-i386.iso. While the .iso image is approximately 170MB, once downloaded it can be copied and used on an unlimited number of computers. After downloading, you need to burn the .iso file as a CD-ROM image (Windows XP users can use the free program ISO Recorder from http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm). Then set the bios of the computer that will be your WebPC to boot from the CD-ROM drive first, place the CD-ROM in the drive, and reboot the computer. EZWebPC is then loaded, and the program opens up just a Firefox web browser window from which you can browse the web. The computer does need to be connected to an Internet-ready network that will give it an IP address. All user data is deleted when the window is closed, which then reopens to Firefox again. Based on a disaster-relief CD produced by PublicWebStations.com for relief shelters during the Katrina and Rita hurricanes (and covered by ABC and CBS), EZWebPC is designed to help the owners of old PCs to put them to productive use. Otherwise unused computers can be re-used as extra "WebStations" on home networks or in small-business waiting rooms, or as a public-access information terminals in libraries, cafes, town halls, civic centers, or trade shows. The EPA estimates that there are 60 million computers in the US alone that become obsoleted each year. With 128MB or more of memory, the performance is amazingly fast. The PC needs to be a Pentium II or better Intel-compatible machine, but does not need a hard drive, as the EZWebPC program is loaded directly from the CD-ROM on boot-up, and operates entirely in RAM. PCs running EZWebPC become an "appliance," streamlined and secure because they literally require no maintenance, with no virus, spy ware, or software updating concerns. Have some fun! -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com From roy at mpk.com Thu Jan 19 19:14:22 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:14:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.2el 64nit Message-ID: <200601191943.k0JJh01h031253@mx3.redhat.com> Your 64 bit ltsp images at ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.4.2-64bit/iso/ do not work. It has the same error as the Centos 64 bit version. Disk 2 fails. HELP! Please let me know that I am posting to the right place. I keep getting redirected. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Jan 19 19:40:19 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:40:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT: Censornet Image Filter Message-ID: <43CFEB23.3070601@inlandlakes.org> Sorry I don't have another venue to ask this question, but does anyone use the image filter in Censornet? We're considering buying the service, and I'd like some feedback from someone *real* that is already using it, or has used it in the past. I know I could get a free 2 week trial, but I don't really want to do that and then just "try to find boobies" on the Internet and see what happens... Thank you VERY much for any insight you can offer, -Shawn Powers From trond at maehlum.net Thu Jan 19 20:31:14 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:31:14 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Openoffice.org2.0 on K12LTSP4.2.2EL Message-ID: <43CFF712.3070301@maehlum.net> Has anyone installed OOo2.0 on their EL based K12LTSP's? I have one testserver running alongside 4.4.0, and the need for OOo2.0 arises. As far as I know OOo2.0 is not available for K12LTSP4.2.2 and never will be because CentOS 4 doesn't have it. Will it be available for a yum install /apt-get install from some mirror some time? Even though CentOS 4 will never support or offer it? If I have to install it manually, is there som quickfix to make MS formats default and get rid og the "register-wizard" for all users? Regards Trond Maehlum From chan at sacredsf.org Thu Jan 19 20:35:13 2006 From: chan at sacredsf.org (Hoover Chan) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:35:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Password conversion to SAMBA In-Reply-To: <1137629166.26632.53.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <43CEB851.1020209@zoznam.sk> <1137629166.26632.53.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <43CFF801.6000108@sacredsf.org> Can someone point me to current information on how to keep /etc/passwd synchronized with smbpasswd and vice versa? Thanks. -- -------------------------------------------------- Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org Technology Network Coordinator Schools of the Sacred Heart 2222 Broadway St. San Francisco, CA 94115 From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Jan 19 20:41:02 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:41:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Password conversion to SAMBA In-Reply-To: <43CFF801.6000108@sacredsf.org> References: <43CEB851.1020209@zoznam.sk> <1137629166.26632.53.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <43CFF801.6000108@sacredsf.org> Message-ID: Use webmin to create the accounts and have that option turned on. . . it will do it automatically for you. I have written a script that will add a user and set both passwords at the same time if you want to add them from the commandline. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Hoover Chan wrote: > Can someone point me to current information on how to keep /etc/passwd > synchronized with smbpasswd and vice versa? > > Thanks. > > -- > -------------------------------------------------- > Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org > Technology Network Coordinator > Schools of the Sacred Heart > 2222 Broadway St. > San Francisco, CA 94115 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jan 19 20:56:08 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:56:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.2el 64nit In-Reply-To: <200601191943.k0JJh01h031253@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200601191943.k0JJh01h031253@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Roy wrote: > Your 64 bit ltsp images at > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.4.2-64bit/iso/ > > do not work. It has the same error as the Centos 64 bit version. Disk 2 > fails. HELP! > > Please let me know that I am posting to the right place. I keep getting > redirected. > Are you trying to install on an AMD Opteron or an Intel EM64T? -Eric From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Jan 19 21:51:47 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:51:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Boot error on client.... In-Reply-To: <1137676322.43cf9022a6056@www.msad41.us> References: <1137676322.43cf9022a6056@www.msad41.us> Message-ID: <59184.70.33.151.214.1137707507.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> john: dont suppose dhcp got upgraded??chuck > Hello All..... > I'm not sure what happened but when I physically reboot a client now I get > the > following: > > DHCP MAC ADDR: 00 06 29 34 94 9C > PXE-EA1: No PXE server found, using standard boot file > IP ADDR: 192.168.0.193 > TFTP: ....... > > It times out there and begins the process all over again.....The clients > that > are still booted in work fine, but if I physically reboot them, the above > happens...I've restarted the services that I think would be involved but > not > luck.....anyone have an idea or two? > > John T. Leonard > Technology Coordinator > MSAD No. 41 > Penquis Valley HS/MS > 48 Penquis Drive > Milo, Maine 04463 > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > Ph:207-943-5332 > Fax:207-943-0962 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Jan 19 21:49:11 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:49:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Boot error on client.... Message-ID: <20060119144911.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.269227be38.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Sounds like someone may have plugged in a wireless router or other device that is running dhcp. Maybe it is answering the dhcp request faster than the LTSP server. Just a guess. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Boot error on client.... > From: cliebow at midmaine.com > Date: Thu, January 19, 2006 3:51 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > john: dont suppose dhcp got upgraded??chuck > > > Hello All..... > > I'm not sure what happened but when I physically reboot a client now I get > > the > > following: > > > > DHCP MAC ADDR: 00 06 29 34 94 9C > > PXE-EA1: No PXE server found, using standard boot file > > IP ADDR: 192.168.0.193 > > TFTP: ....... > > > > It times out there and begins the process all over again.....The clients > > that > > are still booted in work fine, but if I physically reboot them, the above > > happens...I've restarted the services that I think would be involved but > > not > > luck.....anyone have an idea or two? > > > > John T. Leonard > > Technology Coordinator > > MSAD No. 41 > > Penquis Valley HS/MS > > 48 Penquis Drive > > Milo, Maine 04463 > > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > > Ph:207-943-5332 > > Fax:207-943-0962 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rstewart at iccpartners.com Thu Jan 19 22:06:38 2006 From: rstewart at iccpartners.com (Rondall Stewart) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:06:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] nxclient won't run, missing charsets--solved Message-ID: I am used freeNX on an IBM e-server 236 with a 3.06 Xeon, 2 Gigs of ram, and 130 GB of RAID. I was able to connect about 30 clients with out any noticeable lag. After that It did slow down, I called the useable limit for this level of server at 50 users. ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Petre Scheie Sent: Thu 1/19/2006 10:55 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] nxclient won't run, missing charsets--solved Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Is anyone using freenx to give outside access to school computer >>systems? That is, is anyone running a server with freenx and >>allowing students/teachers to connect from home by using nxclient on >>their home computers? Since the traffic is all encrypted over port >>22, I'd think it would be reasonably safe. > > > How is the speed? > It's terrific! I've been using VNC-over-ssh for the past few years. That works but it's still kind of a pain. But NX is stupendous! With NX, I'll never use VNC again. I connect to my server at home and it's real time or at least seems like it. This weekend I'm going take my laptop to the public library, where they have free wireless access and test it. What I'm curious about is how well it will scale up. It's one thing for me to connect to my server and get decent performance; it's another thing for 10 or 20 or 50 or 100 people to do the same. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4814 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nbs at sonic.net Thu Jan 19 22:05:45 2006 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:05:45 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Headin' off the list Message-ID: <20060119220545.GA27787@sonic.net> Hi folks! I've enjoyed my time here, but a lot of the discussion doesn't relate to me, so it's just becoming a chore to skim through it. ;^) If I ever end up in a situation where I'm putting together labs for schools, though, I'll be back. ;^) In the meantime, I'm easily reachable, and don't plan on stopping my work on Tux Paint and other K-12 OSS software. Cya! -- -bill! Tux Paint 2006 wall calendar, bill at newbreedsoftware.com CDROM, bumper sticker & apparel http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ http://www.cafepress.com/newbreedsw From wescott at sc.rr.com Thu Jan 19 22:05:57 2006 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:05:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT: Censornet Image Filter In-Reply-To: <43CFEB23.3070601@inlandlakes.org> References: <43CFEB23.3070601@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1137708357.28652.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-01-19 at 14:40 -0500, Shawn Powers wrote: > I know I could get a free 2 week trial, but I don't really want to do > that and then just "try to find boobies" on the Internet and see what > happens... And one would hope you'd find them ... pictures of the birds, like the "blue-footed boobie". From mpribik at zoznam.sk Thu Jan 19 22:42:19 2006 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:42:19 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Password conversion to SAMBA References: <43CEB851.1020209@zoznam.sk><1137629166.26632.53.camel@moola.futuresource.com><43CFF801.6000108@sacredsf.org> Message-ID: <001901c61d49$9b660390$0500a8c0@Marian> Hello Doug, if it is possible i would like to see the script. Thank you Marian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Simpson" To: ; "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Password conversion to SAMBA > Use webmin to create the accounts and have that option turned on. . . it > will do it automatically for you. I have written a script that will add a > user and set both passwords at the same time if you want to add them from > the commandline. . . > > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Hoover Chan wrote: > > > Can someone point me to current information on how to keep /etc/passwd > > synchronized with smbpasswd and vice versa? > > > > Thanks. > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org > > Technology Network Coordinator > > Schools of the Sacred Heart > > 2222 Broadway St. > > San Francisco, CA 94115 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From johnny at msad41.us Thu Jan 19 23:13:51 2006 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:13:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Boot error on client.... In-Reply-To: <59184.70.33.151.214.1137707507.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <1137676322.43cf9022a6056@www.msad41.us> <59184.70.33.151.214.1137707507.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <1137712431.43d01d2fcdaf5@www.msad41.us> Hi Chuck....now that I've gotten over my numb spell, I'm thinking that I probably lost the bios setup on the IBM 8364 thin clients. I'm guessing the MB batteries didn't hold on a number of them when the power to that room was shut off for a while. I'll put new batteries in them and will reset the bios on them in the morning. Hopefully that will cure it. If not, you'll here me yelling all the way down there on the coast..although I believe this is it, I haven't rebooted any of the others 8364s yet to test this theory...I did boot a couple of other HP clients to that box and they seemed fine..just didn't have time to really jump into it today..thank you, and the others, for the replies... John Quoting cliebow at midmaine.com: > john: dont suppose dhcp got upgraded??chuck > > > Hello All..... > > I'm not sure what happened but when I physically reboot a client now I > get > > the > > following: > > > > DHCP MAC ADDR: 00 06 29 34 94 9C > > PXE-EA1: No PXE server found, using standard boot file > > IP ADDR: 192.168.0.193 > > TFTP: ....... > > > > It times out there and begins the process all over again.....The clients > > that > > are still booted in work fine, but if I physically reboot them, the above > > happens...I've restarted the services that I think would be involved but > > not > > luck.....anyone have an idea or two? > > > > John T. Leonard > > Technology Coordinator > > MSAD No. 41 > > Penquis Valley HS/MS > > 48 Penquis Drive > > Milo, Maine 04463 > > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > > Ph:207-943-5332 > > Fax:207-943-0962 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From roy at mpk.com Fri Jan 20 01:30:41 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:30:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.2el 64nit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200601200126.k0K1QbuJ012866@mx3.redhat.com> AMD 64 3800+ dual core -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:56 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] 4.2.2el 64nit On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Roy wrote: > Your 64 bit ltsp images at > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.4.2-64bit/iso/ > > do not work. It has the same error as the Centos 64 bit version. Disk 2 > fails. HELP! > > Please let me know that I am posting to the right place. I keep getting > redirected. > Are you trying to install on an AMD Opteron or an Intel EM64T? -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From roy at mpk.com Fri Jan 20 01:35:58 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:35:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.2el 64nit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200601200201.k0K21go9027982@mx1.redhat.com> If I install Centos 4.2 64 bit or FC4 64 bit and add the K12 package after everything is fine. There is an error in the discs identifier for the 4.2.2el iso's. I don't know how many discs I have wasted hoping one version will work. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:56 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] 4.2.2el 64nit On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Roy wrote: > Your 64 bit ltsp images at > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.4.2-64bit/iso/ > > do not work. It has the same error as the Centos 64 bit version. Disk 2 > fails. HELP! > > Please let me know that I am posting to the right place. I keep getting > redirected. > Are you trying to install on an AMD Opteron or an Intel EM64T? -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jan 20 05:51:22 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:51:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.2EL x86_64 ISO disc 2 problem still happening In-Reply-To: <1B0FBB437B30CF4A8FEAAC0AC608ECF562A596@exchange1.owatonna.local> References: <1B0FBB437B30CF4A8FEAAC0AC608ECF562A596@exchange1.owatonna.local> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Mike Thostenson wrote: > Hey Eric, > > On the 4th of January I posted that I had a problem where during the > install of the BETA (1&2) 4.2.2 x86_64 after disc1 it asked for disc 2 > and it would not accept disc 2...says it is not the correct disc. I > noticed that a few other people had posted about this problem too. I > have tried burning from Sonic Record Now in windows and using cdrecord > on the command line on my linux box...neither work. Yesterday (Jan19th) > I downloaded all 5 new isos dated 1/4/2006 1:29:00 PM, burned them and > tried doing another install. Same problem...wouldn't accept disc 2. > I think I have this bug figured out. I uploaded new 4.2EL-64bit ISOs for testing. Works fine on the one server I have at home, I'll try it on another at work tomorrow. These include the kernel, cups, kde, and tetex update packages that were just released. I'll respin the 32bit ISO with these updates as well so that the version numbers match... If you want to try 'em out before I finish my testing, they are at: rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.3EL-64bit/* . ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.3EL-64bit/ I'll have new 4.4.2-64bit test ISOs up later tonight. -Eric From robark at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 06:41:11 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:41:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.30 issue (long) Message-ID: I have pretty much finished a new version of TT. I have added the requested monitor/control feature using the vnc.so module that plugs into X on the client. So now we can not only broadcast but also monitor students activity or tutor them controlling their keyboard and mouse. I have done minimal testing and it seems to work fine. BTW one nice feature is that the broadcasting is unaffected by this new feature because the broadcast uses tightvncviewer not realvncviewer. Here is the issue. It requires modifiying LTSP. The how-to on the ltsp wiki here http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#VNC_SO describes the procedure and I have also pasted a summary how-to of it from Trond Maehlum below. However, Eric Harrison and I are concerned about libgcc_s.so.1 which is being overwritten in /opt/ltsp/i382/lib with the one from /usr/lib in K12LTSP. These two libraries are *not* the same size. Unfortunately, vnc.so does not work with the client X server with the stock libgcc library. One thing to note is that vnc.so gets loaded at boot time or (ctrl-alt-bkspc) not runtime. The only way I can *think* of solving this is to build the vnc.so module inside a chrooted ltsp tree. So it gets built with the ltsp stock libgcc. But I don't know if this is even possible or how to do it. Wondering if anyone has any ideas how to solve this problem? I know that a sym link approach was used to address this issue in the wiki but I don't think it's a real solution (But I could be wrong). Here is a summary how-to from Trond Maehlum +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Login at the terminalserver as root. Edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and add: X4_MODULE_02 = vnc Then edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg and add the following under 'Secton "Screen"' (but over 'EndSubSection'), so it looks like this: Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "My Video Card" Monitor "My Monitor" DefaultDepth ${X_COLOR_DEPTH:-16} Subsection "Display" Depth ${X_COLOR_DEPTH:-16} Modes ${MODE[*]} Option "httpdir" "/usr/share/vnc/classes" Option "PasswordFile" "/root/.vnc/passwd" Option "rfbport" "5900" Option "usevnc" EndSubSection EndSection Now you'll have to make a password for the vnc-session. Run this command: # /usr/bin/vncpasswd Choose a password and copy the password file into the ltsp-tree # cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ Now you must copy the vnc-module and some libraries into the ltsp-tree: # cp /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/ # cp /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ Before you do this next cp. Backup /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 as libgcc_s.so.1.backup so you don't lose the original file. # cp /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Fri Jan 20 13:30:21 2006 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:30:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] disk quota troubleshooting ? In-Reply-To: <20060114170023.DA09F7320C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060114170023.DA09F7320C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1137763821.4972.3.camel@phoenix.hhp> Barry, I am using the standard quota system on my k12ltsp server (enabled quota attributes for the partitions, etc) and it stops the windows user's when they try to go over the hard limit. Soft limit works as well. They don't get a nice error message saying they are over their quota, they just get a disk full or cannot save message. Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org > Message: 14 > Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:18:24 -0600 > From: "Barry R Cisna" > Subject: [K12OSN] disk quota troubleshooting ? > To: "K12OSN" > Message-ID: <001701c61915$63253bf0$01fea8c0 at brcHOST> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello list, > > We are trying to setup.disk quotas, on each users,home folder now. > Iv'e done this in the past and worked great .through strictly Linux logins. > Now we have the Windows users& Linux users,saving to a common home folder. > The quota settings ,works fine in Linux but,logged in as a windows > user,users can go to an "unlimited" amount of file storage. > In other words, when a user adds files to their home folder( on a K12LTSP > server used as our file server),if they adding these files from a Windows > server login,/to home folder the quota's are not being "seen". > But when they log into Linux( and are over their disk quota), they get the > "You are over your disk space allotment,contact system admin". > How can I go about troubleshooting,this scenario? Is this maybe a Windows AD > setup,and Im clear off of base?.How does WIndows AD,,see the Linux disk > quota reqiirements? > questions,,,questions...:).. > > K12LTSP v 4.1.1 -FC3 > > Thanks, > > Barry Cisna From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Jan 20 13:32:21 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:32:21 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] disk quota troubleshooting ? In-Reply-To: <1137763821.4972.3.camel@phoenix.hhp> References: <20060114170023.DA09F7320C@hormel.redhat.com> <1137763821.4972.3.camel@phoenix.hhp> Message-ID: <43D0E665.4060406@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> I've setup webmin to email the users when they are at 80% of there quota. Brian Chivers Portsmouth College Henry Burroughs wrote: > Barry, > > I am using the standard quota system on my k12ltsp server (enabled quota > attributes for the partitions, etc) and it stops the windows user's > when they try to go over the hard limit. Soft limit works as well. > They don't get a nice error message saying they are over their quota, > they just get a disk full or cannot save message. > > Henry Burroughs > Technology Director > Hilton Head Preparatory School > www.hhprep.org > > > >>Message: 14 >>Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:18:24 -0600 >>From: "Barry R Cisna" >>Subject: [K12OSN] disk quota troubleshooting ? >>To: "K12OSN" >>Message-ID: <001701c61915$63253bf0$01fea8c0 at brcHOST> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >>Hello list, >> >>We are trying to setup.disk quotas, on each users,home folder now. >>Iv'e done this in the past and worked great .through strictly Linux logins. >>Now we have the Windows users& Linux users,saving to a common home folder. >>The quota settings ,works fine in Linux but,logged in as a windows >>user,users can go to an "unlimited" amount of file storage. >>In other words, when a user adds files to their home folder( on a K12LTSP >>server used as our file server),if they adding these files from a Windows >>server login,/to home folder the quota's are not being "seen". >>But when they log into Linux( and are over their disk quota), they get the >>"You are over your disk space allotment,contact system admin". >>How can I go about troubleshooting,this scenario? Is this maybe a Windows AD >>setup,and Im clear off of base?.How does WIndows AD,,see the Linux disk >>quota reqiirements? >>questions,,,questions...:).. >> >>K12LTSP v 4.1.1 -FC3 >> >>Thanks, >> >>Barry Cisna > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From roy at mpk.com Fri Jan 20 15:24:38 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:24:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.2EL x86_64 ISO disc 2 problem still happening In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200601201550.k0KFoXYZ010022@mx1.redhat.com> They work - Awesome Do you know when you will fix the FC4 version? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:51 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.2EL x86_64 ISO disc 2 problem still happening On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Mike Thostenson wrote: > Hey Eric, > > On the 4th of January I posted that I had a problem where during the > install of the BETA (1&2) 4.2.2 x86_64 after disc1 it asked for disc 2 > and it would not accept disc 2...says it is not the correct disc. I > noticed that a few other people had posted about this problem too. I > have tried burning from Sonic Record Now in windows and using cdrecord > on the command line on my linux box...neither work. Yesterday (Jan19th) > I downloaded all 5 new isos dated 1/4/2006 1:29:00 PM, burned them and > tried doing another install. Same problem...wouldn't accept disc 2. > I think I have this bug figured out. I uploaded new 4.2EL-64bit ISOs for testing. Works fine on the one server I have at home, I'll try it on another at work tomorrow. These include the kernel, cups, kde, and tetex update packages that were just released. I'll respin the 32bit ISO with these updates as well so that the version numbers match... If you want to try 'em out before I finish my testing, they are at: rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.3EL-64bit/* . ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.3EL-64bit/ I'll have new 4.4.2-64bit test ISOs up later tonight. -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jan 20 16:10:02 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:10:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.2EL x86_64 ISO disc 2 problem still happening In-Reply-To: <200601201550.k0KFoXYZ010022@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200601201550.k0KFoXYZ010022@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <43D10B5A.50504@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Roy wrote: > They work - Awesome > Do you know when you will fix the FC4 version? > > Thanks I applied the same fix to the FC4 version & uploaded it late last night. Have not tested it yet, but am >90% sure it will work. -Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Eric Harrison > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:51 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.2EL x86_64 ISO disc 2 problem still > happening > > On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Mike Thostenson wrote: > > >>Hey Eric, >> >>On the 4th of January I posted that I had a problem where during the >>install of the BETA (1&2) 4.2.2 x86_64 after disc1 it asked for disc 2 >>and it would not accept disc 2...says it is not the correct disc. I >>noticed that a few other people had posted about this problem too. I >>have tried burning from Sonic Record Now in windows and using cdrecord >>on the command line on my linux box...neither work. Yesterday (Jan19th) >>I downloaded all 5 new isos dated 1/4/2006 1:29:00 PM, burned them and >>tried doing another install. Same problem...wouldn't accept disc 2. >> > > > I think I have this bug figured out. I uploaded new 4.2EL-64bit ISOs for > testing. Works fine on the one server I have at home, I'll try it on > another at work tomorrow. > > These include the kernel, cups, kde, and tetex update packages that > were just released. I'll respin the 32bit ISO with these updates as > well so that the version numbers match... > > If you want to try 'em out before I finish my testing, they are at: > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.3EL-64bit/* . > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.3EL-64bit/ > > I'll have new 4.4.2-64bit test ISOs up later tonight. > > -Eric > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have done minimal testing and it seems to work fine. BTW one > nice feature is that the broadcasting is unaffected by this new > feature because the broadcast uses tightvncviewer not realvncviewer. > > Here is the issue. It requires modifiying LTSP. The how-to on the ltsp wiki here > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#VNC_SO > > describes the procedure and I have also pasted a summary how-to of it > from Trond Maehlum below. > However, Eric Harrison and I are concerned about libgcc_s.so.1 which is > being overwritten in /opt/ltsp/i382/lib with the one from /usr/lib in > K12LTSP. These two libraries are *not* the same size. Unfortunately, > vnc.so does not work with the client X server with the stock > libgcc library. One thing to note is that vnc.so gets loaded at boot > time or (ctrl-alt-bkspc) not runtime. The only way I can *think* of > solving this is to build the vnc.so module inside a chrooted ltsp > tree. So it gets built with the ltsp stock libgcc. But I don't know if > this is even possible or how to do it. Wondering if anyone has any > ideas how to solve this problem? I know that a sym link approach was > used to address this issue in the wiki but I don't think it's a real > solution (But I could be wrong). > > Here is a summary how-to from Trond Maehlum > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Login at the terminalserver as root. Edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > and add: > > X4_MODULE_02 = vnc > > Then edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg > and add the following under 'Secton "Screen"' (but over > 'EndSubSection'), so it looks > like this: > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen0" > Device "My Video Card" > Monitor "My Monitor" > DefaultDepth ${X_COLOR_DEPTH:-16} > Subsection "Display" > Depth ${X_COLOR_DEPTH:-16} > Modes ${MODE[*]} > > Option "httpdir" "/usr/share/vnc/classes" > Option "PasswordFile" "/root/.vnc/passwd" > Option "rfbport" "5900" > Option "usevnc" > > EndSubSection > EndSection > > Now you'll have to make a password for the vnc-session. Run this > command: > > # /usr/bin/vncpasswd > > Choose a password and copy the password file into the ltsp-tree > > # cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ > > Now you must copy the vnc-module and some libraries into the ltsp-tree: > > # cp /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so > /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/ > # cp /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ > Before you do this next cp. Backup /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 as > libgcc_s.so.1.backup > so you don't lose the original file. > # cp /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jan 20 17:00:53 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:00:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Headin' off the list In-Reply-To: <20060119220545.GA27787@sonic.net> References: <20060119220545.GA27787@sonic.net> Message-ID: <43D11745.4020204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Bill Kendrick wrote: > Hi folks! I've enjoyed my time here, but a lot of the discussion doesn't > relate to me, so it's just becoming a chore to skim through it. ;^) > > If I ever end up in a situation where I'm putting together labs for schools, > though, I'll be back. ;^) > > In the meantime, I'm easily reachable, and don't plan on stopping my > work on Tux Paint and other K-12 OSS software. Cya! > It has been great having you hang out with us for a while. Your software is highly appreciated! So long, and thanks for all the fish! -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jan 20 17:13:26 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:13:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.30 issue (long) In-Reply-To: <43D110A7.4050506@maltzen.net> References: <43D110A7.4050506@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43D11A36.1080009@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > I'm not sure of the difference between the two libraries, but isn't the > point of Mue Kow to get away from having custom files and instead rely > on the libraries and other files that come with the distro? That is definately one of the key points of Mue Kow. But note that K12LTSP does not currently use a "Mue Kow" implementation of LTSP (Edubuntu is the first and currently only "Mue Kow" implementation). > Why is the > library in /opt/ltsp/i386/lib different than the one in /usr/lib? The idea behind "classic" LTSP is to isolate the LTSP bits from the host operating system bits. /usr/lib/ and /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/ are different, and very likely incompatible, by _design_. (same goes for /bin/ and /opt/ltsp/i386/bin/, etc) "classic" LTSP has its own build environment (LBE) that can be used to compile binaries that are compatible with LTSP. -Eric > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >> I have pretty much finished a new version of TT. I have added the >> requested monitor/control feature using the vnc.so module that plugs >> into X on the client. So now we can not only broadcast but also >> monitor students activity or tutor them controlling their keyboard and >> mouse. I have done minimal testing and it seems to work fine. BTW one >> nice feature is that the broadcasting is unaffected by this new >> feature because the broadcast uses tightvncviewer not realvncviewer. >> >> Here is the issue. It requires modifiying LTSP. The how-to on the ltsp >> wiki here >> >> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#VNC_SO >> >> describes the procedure and I have also pasted a summary how-to of it >> from Trond Maehlum below. >> However, Eric Harrison and I are concerned about libgcc_s.so.1 which is >> being overwritten in /opt/ltsp/i382/lib with the one from /usr/lib in >> K12LTSP. These two libraries are *not* the same size. Unfortunately, >> vnc.so does not work with the client X server with the stock >> libgcc library. One thing to note is that vnc.so gets loaded at boot >> time or (ctrl-alt-bkspc) not runtime. The only way I can *think* of >> solving this is to build the vnc.so module inside a chrooted ltsp >> tree. So it gets built with the ltsp stock libgcc. But I don't know if >> this is even possible or how to do it. Wondering if anyone has any >> ideas how to solve this problem? I know that a sym link approach was >> used to address this issue in the wiki but I don't think it's a real >> solution (But I could be wrong). >> >> Here is a summary how-to from Trond Maehlum >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Login at the terminalserver as root. Edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf >> and add: >> >> X4_MODULE_02 = vnc >> >> Then edit the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4_cfg >> and add the following under 'Secton "Screen"' (but over >> 'EndSubSection'), so it looks >> like this: >> >> Section "Screen" >> Identifier "Screen0" >> Device "My Video Card" >> Monitor "My Monitor" >> DefaultDepth ${X_COLOR_DEPTH:-16} >> Subsection "Display" >> Depth ${X_COLOR_DEPTH:-16} >> Modes ${MODE[*]} >> >> Option "httpdir" "/usr/share/vnc/classes" >> Option "PasswordFile" "/root/.vnc/passwd" >> Option "rfbport" "5900" >> Option "usevnc" >> >> EndSubSection >> EndSection >> >> Now you'll have to make a password for the vnc-session. Run this >> command: >> >> # /usr/bin/vncpasswd >> >> Choose a password and copy the password file into the ltsp-tree >> >> # cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ >> >> Now you must copy the vnc-module and some libraries into the ltsp-tree: >> >> # cp /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so >> /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/ >> # cp /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ >> Before you do this next cp. Backup /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 as >> libgcc_s.so.1.backup >> so you don't lose the original file. >> # cp /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/ >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> -- >> Robert Arkiletian >> C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Have not tested it yet, but am >90% sure it will work. -Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Eric Harrison > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:51 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.2EL x86_64 ISO disc 2 problem still > happening > > On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Mike Thostenson wrote: > > >>Hey Eric, >> >>On the 4th of January I posted that I had a problem where during the >>install of the BETA (1&2) 4.2.2 x86_64 after disc1 it asked for disc 2 >>and it would not accept disc 2...says it is not the correct disc. I >>noticed that a few other people had posted about this problem too. I >>have tried burning from Sonic Record Now in windows and using cdrecord >>on the command line on my linux box...neither work. Yesterday (Jan19th) >>I downloaded all 5 new isos dated 1/4/2006 1:29:00 PM, burned them and >>tried doing another install. Same problem...wouldn't accept disc 2. >> > > > I think I have this bug figured out. I uploaded new 4.2EL-64bit ISOs for > testing. Works fine on the one server I have at home, I'll try it on > another at work tomorrow. > > These include the kernel, cups, kde, and tetex update packages that > were just released. I'll respin the 32bit ISO with these updates as > well so that the version numbers match... > > If you want to try 'em out before I finish my testing, they are at: > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.3EL-64bit/* . > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.3EL-64bit/ > > I'll have new 4.4.2-64bit test ISOs up later tonight. > > -Eric > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jan 20 17:31:26 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:31:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.2EL x86_64 ISO disc 2 problem still happening In-Reply-To: <200601201728.k0KHSUD6004450@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200601201728.k0KHSUD6004450@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <43D11E6E.3080909@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Roy wrote: > What is the link for the FC4 version? I'll have a new build ready in an hour or two, I'll post a link when it is uploaded... -Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Eric Harrison > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:10 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.2EL x86_64 ISO disc 2 problem still > happening > > Roy wrote: > >>They work - Awesome >>Do you know when you will fix the FC4 version? >> >>Thanks > > > > I applied the same fix to the FC4 version & uploaded it late last night. > Have not tested it yet, but am >90% sure it will work. > > -Eric > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > > Behalf > >>Of Eric Harrison >>Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:51 PM >>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.2EL x86_64 ISO disc 2 problem still >>happening >> >>On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Mike Thostenson wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hey Eric, >>> >>>On the 4th of January I posted that I had a problem where during the >>>install of the BETA (1&2) 4.2.2 x86_64 after disc1 it asked for disc 2 >>>and it would not accept disc 2...says it is not the correct disc. I >>>noticed that a few other people had posted about this problem too. I >>>have tried burning from Sonic Record Now in windows and using cdrecord >>>on the command line on my linux box...neither work. Yesterday (Jan19th) >>>I downloaded all 5 new isos dated 1/4/2006 1:29:00 PM, burned them and >>>tried doing another install. Same problem...wouldn't accept disc 2. >>> >> >> >>I think I have this bug figured out. I uploaded new 4.2EL-64bit ISOs for >>testing. Works fine on the one server I have at home, I'll try it on >>another at work tomorrow. >> >>These include the kernel, cups, kde, and tetex update packages that >>were just released. I'll respin the 32bit ISO with these updates as >>well so that the version numbers match... >> >>If you want to try 'em out before I finish my testing, they are at: >> >>rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.3EL-64bit/* . >>ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.3EL-64bit/ >> >>I'll have new 4.4.2-64bit test ISOs up later tonight. >> >>-Eric >> > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But I don't know if > this is even possible or how to do it. Wondering if anyone has any > ideas how to solve this problem? I know that a sym link approach was > used to address this issue in the wiki but I don't think it's a real > solution (But I could be wrong). We have done this some weeks ago, we even took the liberty of coding it into Robert's TT. In the spirit of open source, we sent our work back to him. I see he has now implemented it into the official TT. We also did the tweaking on our installation. We have been running this for about four weeks on 500 terminals across nine schools. Since we have fibre to the schools, and all our servers are centrally placed at City Hall, I can now remote control students desktops and guide them without leaving my office. Very useful indeed! We also did replace libgcc_s.so.1, like the wiki said. We did not keep a backup of the old file. What kind of problems should this cause? The reason I ask, is that we have been running this for several weeks, with a TT version like the one Robert is releasing now. We have not noticed anything out of the ordinary. Regards Trond Maehlum From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jan 20 18:28:18 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:28:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.30 issue (long) In-Reply-To: <43D12819.5080808@maehlum.net> References: <43D12819.5080808@maehlum.net> Message-ID: <43D12BC2.1010202@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Trond M?hlum wrote: > Robert Arkiletian skrev: > >> However, Eric Harrison and I are concerned about libgcc_s.so.1 which is >> being overwritten in /opt/ltsp/i382/lib with the one from /usr/lib in >> K12LTSP. These two libraries are *not* the same size. Unfortunately, >> vnc.so does not work with the client X server with the stock >> libgcc library. One thing to note is that vnc.so gets loaded at boot >> time or (ctrl-alt-bkspc) not runtime. The only way I can *think* of >> solving this is to build the vnc.so module inside a chrooted ltsp >> tree. So it gets built with the ltsp stock libgcc. But I don't know if >> this is even possible or how to do it. Wondering if anyone has any >> ideas how to solve this problem? I know that a sym link approach was >> used to address this issue in the wiki but I don't think it's a real >> solution (But I could be wrong). > > > We have done this some weeks ago, we even took the liberty of coding it > into Robert's TT. In the spirit of open source, we sent our work back to > him. I see he has now implemented it into the official TT. We also did > the tweaking on our installation. We have been running this for about > four weeks on 500 terminals across nine schools. Since we have fibre to > the schools, and all our servers are centrally placed at City Hall, I > can now remote control students desktops and guide them without leaving > my office. Very useful indeed! > > We also did replace libgcc_s.so.1, like the wiki said. We did not keep a > backup of the old file. What kind of problems should this cause? The > reason I ask, is that we have been running this for several weeks, with > a TT version like the one Robert is releasing now. We have not noticed > anything out of the ordinary. > > Regards > Trond Maehlum > This is just like installing a package with "--nodeps" or "--force". You can do it, and sometimes it may even work just fine, but it is generally a bad idea. We *WILL* *NOT* ship this as-is in K12LTSP. This violates one of the commandments of packaging: thou shall not covet another package's file. What we need to do is build this vnc.so module in the LTSP build environment and package that up. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jan 20 18:39:09 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:39:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.30 issue (long) In-Reply-To: <43D12BC2.1010202@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43D12819.5080808@maehlum.net> <43D12BC2.1010202@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43D12E4D.60608@maltzen.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > Trond M?hlum wrote: > >> Robert Arkiletian skrev: >> >>> However, Eric Harrison and I are concerned about libgcc_s.so.1 which is >>> being overwritten in /opt/ltsp/i382/lib with the one from /usr/lib in >>> K12LTSP. These two libraries are *not* the same size. Unfortunately, >>> vnc.so does not work with the client X server with the stock >>> libgcc library. One thing to note is that vnc.so gets loaded at boot >>> time or (ctrl-alt-bkspc) not runtime. The only way I can *think* of >>> solving this is to build the vnc.so module inside a chrooted ltsp >>> tree. So it gets built with the ltsp stock libgcc. But I don't know if >>> this is even possible or how to do it. Wondering if anyone has any >>> ideas how to solve this problem? I know that a sym link approach was >>> used to address this issue in the wiki but I don't think it's a real >>> solution (But I could be wrong). >> >> >> >> We have done this some weeks ago, we even took the liberty of coding it >> into Robert's TT. In the spirit of open source, we sent our work back to >> him. I see he has now implemented it into the official TT. We also did >> the tweaking on our installation. We have been running this for about >> four weeks on 500 terminals across nine schools. Since we have fibre to >> the schools, and all our servers are centrally placed at City Hall, I >> can now remote control students desktops and guide them without leaving >> my office. Very useful indeed! >> >> We also did replace libgcc_s.so.1, like the wiki said. We did not keep a >> backup of the old file. What kind of problems should this cause? The >> reason I ask, is that we have been running this for several weeks, with >> a TT version like the one Robert is releasing now. We have not noticed >> anything out of the ordinary. >> >> Regards >> Trond Maehlum >> > > > This is just like installing a package with "--nodeps" or "--force". You > can do it, and sometimes it may even work just fine, but it is generally > a bad idea. > > We *WILL* *NOT* ship this as-is in K12LTSP. This violates one of the > commandments of packaging: thou shall not covet another package's file. > > What we need to do is build this vnc.so module in the LTSP build > environment and package that up. > How complicated is that? Robert says he's new to that; I've never done it, so I'm just curious... From trond at maehlum.net Fri Jan 20 19:00:29 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:00:29 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.30 issue (long) In-Reply-To: <43D12E4D.60608@maltzen.net> References: <43D12819.5080808@maehlum.net> <43D12BC2.1010202@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <43D12E4D.60608@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43D1334D.4070109@maehlum.net> Petre Scheie skrev: > > > Eric Harrison wrote: >> Trond M?hlum wrote: >> >>> Robert Arkiletian skrev: >>> >>>> However, Eric Harrison and I are concerned about libgcc_s.so.1 which is >>>> being overwritten in /opt/ltsp/i382/lib with the one from /usr/lib in >>>> K12LTSP. These two libraries are *not* the same size. Unfortunately, >>>> vnc.so does not work with the client X server with the stock >>>> libgcc library. One thing to note is that vnc.so gets loaded at boot >>>> time or (ctrl-alt-bkspc) not runtime. The only way I can *think* of >>>> solving this is to build the vnc.so module inside a chrooted ltsp >>>> tree. So it gets built with the ltsp stock libgcc. But I don't know if >>>> this is even possible or how to do it. Wondering if anyone has any >>>> ideas how to solve this problem? I know that a sym link approach was >>>> used to address this issue in the wiki but I don't think it's a real >>>> solution (But I could be wrong). >>> >>> >>> >>> We have done this some weeks ago, we even took the liberty of coding it >>> into Robert's TT. In the spirit of open source, we sent our work back to >>> him. I see he has now implemented it into the official TT. We also did >>> the tweaking on our installation. We have been running this for about >>> four weeks on 500 terminals across nine schools. Since we have fibre to >>> the schools, and all our servers are centrally placed at City Hall, I >>> can now remote control students desktops and guide them without leaving >>> my office. Very useful indeed! >>> >>> We also did replace libgcc_s.so.1, like the wiki said. We did not keep a >>> backup of the old file. What kind of problems should this cause? The >>> reason I ask, is that we have been running this for several weeks, with >>> a TT version like the one Robert is releasing now. We have not noticed >>> anything out of the ordinary. >>> >>> Regards >>> Trond Maehlum >>> >> >> >> This is just like installing a package with "--nodeps" or "--force". You >> can do it, and sometimes it may even work just fine, but it is generally >> a bad idea. >> >> We *WILL* *NOT* ship this as-is in K12LTSP. This violates one of the >> commandments of packaging: thou shall not covet another package's file. >> >> What we need to do is build this vnc.so module in the LTSP build >> environment and package that up. >> > How complicated is that? Robert says he's new to that; I've never done > it, so I'm just curious... Me too. Because this is so useful, that it just _has_ to be included into K12LTSP in the future. Trond > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jan 20 19:07:56 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:07:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT: Censornet Image Filter In-Reply-To: <43CFEB23.3070601@inlandlakes.org> References: <43CFEB23.3070601@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <43D1350C.3040609@inlandlakes.org> Shawn Powers wrote: > Sorry I don't have another venue to ask this question, but does anyone > use the image filter in Censornet? We're considering buying the > service, and I'd like some feedback from someone *real* that is already > using it, or has used it in the past. Wow, really no one is using this at all? Maybe I should rethink my ideas... the image filtering idea seems INCREDIBLE... -Shawn From robark at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 19:16:16 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:16:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.30 issue (long) In-Reply-To: <43D12BC2.1010202@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43D12819.5080808@maehlum.net> <43D12BC2.1010202@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On 1/20/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > This is just like installing a package with "--nodeps" or "--force". You > can do it, and sometimes it may even work just fine, but it is generally > a bad idea. > Then libstdc++.so.6 also needs to be built inside the ltsp tree. I have another concern. Will the addition of the vnc.so module bloat X running on the clients so that we will need greater system requirements on the clients? If so, then this should be an optional feature. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 19:23:01 2006 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (RiE) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:23:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT: Censornet Image Filter In-Reply-To: <43D1350C.3040609@inlandlakes.org> References: <43CFEB23.3070601@inlandlakes.org> <43D1350C.3040609@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <69b790a80601201123u76bcfc1bpbb10fd0cc3f4d68f@mail.gmail.com> On 1/20/06, Shawn Powers wrote: > Shawn Powers wrote: > > Sorry I don't have another venue to ask this question, but does anyone > > use the image filter in Censornet? We're considering buying the > > service, and I'd like some feedback from someone *real* that is already > > using it, or has used it in the past. > > Wow, really no one is using this at all? > > Maybe I should rethink my ideas... the image filtering idea seems > INCREDIBLE... What technology do they use? Could the same be done with Squid and squidguard? Anything that depends on a list, is not foolproof. If they filter on 'words', the "blue-footed boobie" would get filtered with the rest. From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 19:27:32 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:27:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Fwd: [Ltsp-discuss] Local app firefox In-Reply-To: <43D12F94.4040208@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <9bd317560601181030u7a9da160wa54ed2021827c329@mail.gmail.com> <001701c61cc9$f01cc7a0$7e01a8c0@nsc.local> <9bd317560601201038m7b22d4eayfa27086923ed4110@mail.gmail.com> <43D12F94.4040208@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <9bd317560601201127y55f33e7i1d1c175d42226633@mail.gmail.com> Is there any general reason why I'd be timing out when trying to fetch the cvs? Thanks, Peter On 1/20/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Hey Eric, > > I'm slowly making headway with firefox as a LocalApp. I have to say, > > it's pretty cool running top on a terminal! Good thing I have a 32bit > > install of Centos around to copy from. William Man wrote me back about > > this and says to install the ltsp lbe. I cant find it with yum. > > Which version do you think I should use if any? Wouldn't I just need > > a good ./configure that would place all the packages I need in the > > right place and for i386 (not x86_64)? I mean, I'm almost desperate > > enough to copy everything I need from my 32bit install into > > /opt/ltsp/i386 but I know that one day I might want to upgrade > > something. > > > > Thanks, > > Peter > > Note that the host operating system binaries and libraries are *not* > compatible with the binaries and libraries in /opt/ltsp/i386/ > > You can fetch the LBE out of the LTSP CVS. The full instructions are at: > http://www.ltsp.org/cvs.html > > Here are the short instructions: ;-) (all one line, watch out for line > wrap) > > cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.ltsp.org:/usr/local/cvsroot checkout -r > LTSP-4_1_0 lbe > > -Eric > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: William Man > > Date: Jan 19, 2006 2:27 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Local app firefox > > To: ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > Peter, > > > > I have managed to run firefox locally on the client machine. It requires a > > fair amount of effort. I'll work backwards from firefox, > > 1) Download the STATIC version of firefox 1.5 > > 2) Firefox requires, GTK+, glib, pango, atk, pkgconfig, and a few more > > components that i can't remember off the top of my head > > 3) Build the above components in the ltsp environment > > 4) You need to build some of these in the lbe environment too > > 5) Download the first build lbe, I am using version 4.1, but latest is 4.2 i > > think which has changed a fair bit since > > > > You will also need to modify the lts.conf to add a custom firefox script > > screen. > > Flash, i am only guessing, copy the modules into the plugins directory. > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > William > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Hartmann" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:30 PM > > Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] Local app firefox > > > > > > I have some questions about the local app setup. I REALLY need flash > > (and other helpers) to run locally. Do people have this working? On > > a terminal the environment has $LTSP_HOSTNAME set to '(none)' and > > after I run /var/yp/make the resulting folder is called '(none)'. Not > > sure how that ended up that way but should it refer to the sever > > hostname or client hostname (ws[xxx])? I'm guessing it's the client > > hostname since the local app howto says were sshing from the server > > into the client. Also what are libraries I need to move to the > > terminals root to use top and xterm locally. > > > > > > Thanks so much!! > > Peter > > > > > > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Jan 20 19:29:02 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:29:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT: Censornet Image Filter In-Reply-To: <69b790a80601201123u76bcfc1bpbb10fd0cc3f4d68f@mail.gmail.com> References: <43CFEB23.3070601@inlandlakes.org> <43D1350C.3040609@inlandlakes.org> <69b790a80601201123u76bcfc1bpbb10fd0cc3f4d68f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D139FE.9080500@inlandlakes.org> RiE wrote: > What technology do they use? Could the same be done with Squid and > squidguard? Anything that depends on a list, is not foolproof. If > they filter on 'words', the "blue-footed boobie" would get filtered > with the rest. No, they actually filter the images themselves, based on mathematical calculations. http://www.censornet.com/product/aic.php It's not free, but if it works, it would be worth the money, even though it is pricey. The regular product is GPL, and uses squidguard and dans. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jan 20 19:41:26 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:41:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.2 64bit beta build Message-ID: <43D13CE6.9050800@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Okay, I think I have the show-stopper bugs ironed out of the 4.4.2 64 bit build. I uploaded beta ISOs for wider testing. These (should) fix the "wrong disc 2" problem (K12LTSP bug) and the installer bug that causes some systems to crash when booting off the install cds (FC4 bug). If you have a test AMD Athlon64, Opteron, or Intel EM64T system available, please give these a spin and report back the good, the bad, and the ugly. ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.4.2-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.4.2-64bit/iso/* . -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Peter From cliebow at midmaine.com Fri Jan 20 20:11:31 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:11:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp-LBE In-Reply-To: <9bd317560601201156m6f1f6a87ved307c461edf8a8b@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560601201156m6f1f6a87ved307c461edf8a8b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <28250.169.244.70.146.1137787891.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Peter: you can put that filesystem most anywhere you like once it is built..i like to export /opt/ltsp and put my diff filesystems ther...so the is an /opt/ltsp/i386-3 /opt/ltsp/i386/ppcold /opt/ltsp/ppc /opt/ltsp/i386-4.1 /opt/ltsp/i386-4.2..chcuk >>From the lbe readme: > > 7) Once both builds are done, then you can setup entries in > /etc/exports to point to the new root filesystem, which will be > in lbe/opt/ltsp/i386, and you should then be able to test a > workstation. > > Does this mean I'm going to ignoring my current /opt/ltsp directory > altogether and will have to duplicate any customizations to > lbe/opt/ltsp? > > Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From steve at sierra-computer.com Fri Jan 20 21:50:54 2006 From: steve at sierra-computer.com (Steve Knopik) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:50:54 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Openoffice.org2.0 on K12LTSP4.2.2EL In-Reply-To: <43CFF712.3070301@maehlum.net> References: <43CFF712.3070301@maehlum.net> Message-ID: <43D15B3E.3060403@sierra-computer.com> Trond Maehlum I just downloaded OOo2.0.1 from openoffice.org. Installed from the command line according to the included instructions. I am running the current version of K12LTSP EL. I just used rpm -e to remove the existing version of OpenOffice first. Steve Knopik Trond M?hlum wrote: > Has anyone installed OOo2.0 on their EL based K12LTSP's? I have one > testserver running alongside 4.4.0, and the need for OOo2.0 arises. As > far as I know OOo2.0 is not available for K12LTSP4.2.2 and never will > be because CentOS 4 doesn't have it. > > Will it be available for a yum install /apt-get install from some > mirror some time? Even though CentOS 4 will never support or offer it? > > If I have to install it manually, is there som quickfix to make MS > formats default and get rid og the "register-wizard" for all users? > > > Regards > Trond Maehlum > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From thepiano at telenet.be Fri Jan 20 21:52:32 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:52:32 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Openoffice.org2.0 on K12LTSP4.2.2EL In-Reply-To: <43CFF712.3070301@maehlum.net> References: <43CFF712.3070301@maehlum.net> Message-ID: <723A00C5-3A65-4EB0-9971-8E2C1EC0177E@telenet.be> We have been running this from RC1, and still not had *any* problems. The only problem that arises is when we have to save some work, the dialog somtimes doesn't work, you'll have to redo it a few times. That's the only caveat I know... My teachers and students are very happy. Oh yes, there should be a way to avoid the upgrade dialog with each user, but I couldn't solve that issue... Kevin Op 19-jan-06, om 21:31 heeft Trond M?hlum het volgende geschreven: > Has anyone installed OOo2.0 on their EL based K12LTSP's? I have one > testserver running alongside 4.4.0, and the need for OOo2.0 arises. > As far as I know OOo2.0 is not available for K12LTSP4.2.2 and never > will be because CentOS 4 doesn't have it. > > Will it be available for a yum install /apt-get install from some > mirror some time? Even though CentOS 4 will never support or offer it? > > If I have to install it manually, is there som quickfix to make MS > formats default and get rid og the "register-wizard" for all users? > > > Regards > Trond Maehlum > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From tim at litwiller.net Fri Jan 20 21:56:48 2006 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:56:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT: Censornet Image Filter In-Reply-To: <43D139FE.9080500@inlandlakes.org> References: <43CFEB23.3070601@inlandlakes.org> <43D1350C.3040609@inlandlakes.org> <69b790a80601201123u76bcfc1bpbb10fd0cc3f4d68f@mail.gmail.com> <43D139FE.9080500@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <43D15CA0.4070704@litwiller.net> Shawn Powers wrote: > RiE wrote: >> What technology do they use? Could the same be done with Squid and >> squidguard? Anything that depends on a list, is not foolproof. If >> they filter on 'words', the "blue-footed boobie" would get filtered >> with the rest. > > No, they actually filter the images themselves, based on mathematical > calculations. http://www.censornet.com/product/aic.php > > It's not free, but if it works, it would be worth the money, even though > it is pricey. > > The regular product is GPL, and uses squidguard and dans. > > -Shawn > A hospital near here subscribed to it but they to disable it because too much of their regular research was blocked - but they really liked the image filtering other than for that. They didn't bother with assigning levels of blocking - so they could have still been using it where needed. But you know how these people are that think they can run things themselves but their main job function is something else. I think the employees know that there are logs of their Internet activity and that has cured most of the time wasting and inappropriate Internet use. From roy at mpk.com Sat Jan 21 00:22:36 2006 From: roy at mpk.com (Roy) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:22:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.2 64bit beta build In-Reply-To: <43D13CE6.9050800@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200601210032.k0L0WRiE014054@mx1.redhat.com> FLAWLESS INSTALL!! Not one hiccup 32 bit ltsp client package worked right out of the box You rock!! Do you have and info on getting the audio to work? Thanks again! -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:41 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.4.2 64bit beta build Okay, I think I have the show-stopper bugs ironed out of the 4.4.2 64 bit build. I uploaded beta ISOs for wider testing. These (should) fix the "wrong disc 2" problem (K12LTSP bug) and the installer bug that causes some systems to crash when booting off the install cds (FC4 bug). If you have a test AMD Athlon64, Opteron, or Intel EM64T system available, please give these a spin and report back the good, the bad, and the ugly. ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.4.2-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.4.2-64bit/iso/* . -Eric From brcisna at frontiernet.net Sat Jan 21 14:02:41 2006 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:02:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] sound on macs possible, maybe? Message-ID: <000601c61e93$590b0cc0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hello list, Just wondering if anyone has taken a stab at trying to get soundcards initilaized on IMACS/EMACS? We finally have all of our "handed down" macs booting flawlessly,,to either K12LTSP,or directly to a RDP/Winders session. Another thing I've noticed in what little time Ive spent snooping,on these macs is it appears the USB ports are ID'ed/initilized correctly,while booting,but the usb pen drives dont function like in a Linux boot. Would I be able to get this bit functioning if I added some RC_xxx and MODULE_xxx, lines into the /etc/ppc/lts.conf file? I know,,Im asking the world!,,,:). Using K12LTSP v 4.1.1/FC3>added ppc rpm.. Thanks, Barry CIsna From accessys at smart.net Sat Jan 21 14:30:56 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:30:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] sound on macs possible, maybe? In-Reply-To: <000601c61e93$590b0cc0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <000601c61e93$590b0cc0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Jan 2006, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Just wondering if anyone has taken a stab at trying to get soundcards > initilaized on IMACS/EMACS? check the "blinux" site, they use sound on EMACS extensively Bob > We finally have all of our "handed down" macs booting flawlessly,,to either > K12LTSP,or directly to a RDP/Winders session. > Another thing I've noticed in what little time Ive spent snooping,on these > macs is it appears the USB ports are ID'ed/initilized correctly,while > booting,but the usb pen drives dont function like in a Linux boot. Would I > be able to get this bit functioning if I added some RC_xxx and MODULE_xxx, > lines into the /etc/ppc/lts.conf file? > I know,,Im asking the world!,,,:). > > Using K12LTSP v 4.1.1/FC3>added ppc rpm.. > > Thanks, > > Barry CIsna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From brcisna at frontiernet.net Sat Jan 21 14:32:18 2006 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:32:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Good MP3 server> SLimserver Message-ID: <001201c61e97$7b6a5920$01fea8c0@brcHOST> HelloList, Hope this is not too off topic. Just thought Id throw this out,,for anyone that has kids begging to get a MP3/Podcast type server setup. I installed Slimserver on one of our K12LTSP servers.and was too easy to setup,and get going,,and actually works!! You can use the native xmms player in K12LTSP, (providing sound is working already). Or,you can download the Slimsqueeze player from the same site,which shows more information,/artist/title etc,than xmms does. Works fine on the native Windows Media Player as well for your die hard Winders people at school. Has an RPM for easy install,,no deps,,needed,,yada,,yada>:) Just what we like.:) Just do the RPM,install. Manually add your music folder somewere on your HD. aka "music"> very creative ,ah? Add music files or stream from a CD in the server itself. Point your webbrowser to : h t t p : //serveripaddress:9000 and read the instructions on the Home page and import your songs to the playlist Open xmms on a client machine ( I can only get ess sound to work/Gnome)and type in: h t t p : // serveripaddress:9000/stream.mp3 ,,,and your listening to tunes. We are going to try and implement this into sending dailey announcements( rather than emailing) to our three remote buildings /schools,,hoping the bandwidth survives. You can throttle down what bitrate to broadcast at ,of corse. Will play WAVs fine too, for the oldtime audio people/ No encoding,,,yayda,,yada,,,,:) Google for Slimserver. Hope this helps someone,, Take Care, Barry Cisna From petre at maltzen.net Sat Jan 21 22:20:42 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:20:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Providing file services to Mac OS X clients Message-ID: <43D2B3BA.9090703@maltzen.net> To those of you who have Mac OS X clients, how do I provide file services for those clients? Do I need to add the netatalk packages? Or, since OS X is rather Unix-like underneath, can they just NFS-mount the user's home directory from the server? Petre From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Sat Jan 21 22:23:19 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:23:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Providing file services to Mac OS X clients In-Reply-To: <43D2B3BA.9090703@maltzen.net> References: <43D2B3BA.9090703@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43D2B457.1080704@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > To those of you who have Mac OS X clients, how do I provide file > services for those clients? Do I need to add the netatalk packages? Or, > since OS X is rather Unix-like underneath, can they just NFS-mount the > user's home directory from the server? > > Petre Petre, NFS works fine, but if you're among those of us (Torvalds included) who find NFS annoying, Samba works fine. No need to hassle with Netatalk, which is only useful if you have to support OS9 clients. Cheers, Mike From petre at maltzen.net Sat Jan 21 23:12:45 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:12:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Providing file services to Mac OS X clients In-Reply-To: <43D2B457.1080704@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <43D2B3BA.9090703@maltzen.net> <43D2B457.1080704@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43D2BFED.10804@maltzen.net> Could you elaborate on that? I'm going to be installing a server next week, and in addition to the thin clients, there are also some Mac clients that have to be supported. I've got an old Mac with OS X on it that I'm using for testing beforehand. But I haven't worked with Macs since before the OS X days when we used netatalk. Also, how about printing? The Mac sees the printer that the terminal server is sharing, but whenever I try to print to it, nothing comes out. I did find this on the web: http://www.tigert.com/archives/2005/05/13/mac-client-printing-to-cups-server-on-linux/ I tried adjusting the syntax as the folks there described but still nothing comes out of the printer. The thin clients all print just fine, as does my Xandros laptop which sends it's jobs via the server. Mike Ely wrote: > Petre Scheie wrote: > >> To those of you who have Mac OS X clients, how do I provide file >> services for those clients? Do I need to add the netatalk packages? >> Or, since OS X is rather Unix-like underneath, can they just NFS-mount >> the user's home directory from the server? >> >> Petre > > > Petre, > > NFS works fine, but if you're among those of us (Torvalds included) who > find NFS annoying, Samba works fine. No need to hassle with Netatalk, > which is only useful if you have to support OS9 clients. > > Cheers, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Sun Jan 22 02:43:24 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:43:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Providing file services to Mac OS X clients In-Reply-To: <43D2BFED.10804@maltzen.net> References: <43D2B3BA.9090703@maltzen.net> <43D2B457.1080704@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <43D2BFED.10804@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43D2F14C.5050507@maltzen.net> Never mind on the file sharing part; I found it, and you are correct, it's quite simple. Oddly, I can't get access to the printer the same way, via 'Windows sharing'; it asks for an ID and PW and no matter what I put in, it fails, even using an ID that does work for accessing file shares. For now I got around it using by configuring the printer as an IP printer and talking to it directly rather than through the server. Petre Scheie wrote: > Could you elaborate on that? I'm going to be installing a server next > week, and in addition to the thin clients, there are also some Mac > clients that have to be supported. I've got an old Mac with OS X on it > that I'm using for testing beforehand. But I haven't worked with Macs > since before the OS X days when we used netatalk. > > Also, how about printing? The Mac sees the printer that the terminal > server is sharing, but whenever I try to print to it, nothing comes out. > I did find this on the web: > > http://www.tigert.com/archives/2005/05/13/mac-client-printing-to-cups-server-on-linux/ > > > I tried adjusting the syntax as the folks there described but still > nothing comes out of the printer. The thin clients all print just fine, > as does my Xandros laptop which sends it's jobs via the server. > > Mike Ely wrote: > >> Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>> To those of you who have Mac OS X clients, how do I provide file >>> services for those clients? Do I need to add the netatalk packages? >>> Or, since OS X is rather Unix-like underneath, can they just >>> NFS-mount the user's home directory from the server? >>> >>> Petre >> >> >> >> Petre, >> >> NFS works fine, but if you're among those of us (Torvalds included) >> who find NFS annoying, Samba works fine. No need to hassle with >> Netatalk, which is only useful if you have to support OS9 clients. >> >> Cheers, >> Mike >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Jan 22 03:58:51 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:58:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: icewm shutdown Message-ID: <9bd317560601211958i4e8ba789ib62ddc70bf544b50@mail.gmail.com> I'm using k12linux for a regular desktop install. Is there a modification to icewm that disables shutdown? No matter what I do to the prefrences it still just logs out of icewm when I choose shutdown. Thanks! Peter From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Jan 22 04:09:14 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:09:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: icewm shutdown In-Reply-To: <9bd317560601211958i4e8ba789ib62ddc70bf544b50@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560601211958i4e8ba789ib62ddc70bf544b50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Jan 2006, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I'm using k12linux for a regular desktop install. Is there a > modification to icewm that disables shutdown? No matter what I do to > the prefrences it still just logs out of icewm when I choose shutdown. > > Thanks! > Peter Edit /usr/share/icewm/preferences , the original "ShutdownCommand" and "RebootCommand" are commented out. Just comment out the disabled version and uncomment the original. Change: # Command to shutdown the system # ShutdownCommand="shutdown -h now" ShutdownCommand="" # Command to reboot the system # RebootCommand="shutdown -r now" RebootCommand="" To: # Command to shutdown the system ShutdownCommand="shutdown -h now" # ShutdownCommand="" # Command to reboot the system RebootCommand="shutdown -r now" # RebootCommand="" -Eric From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Jan 22 04:30:12 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:30:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: icewm shutdown In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560601211958i4e8ba789ib62ddc70bf544b50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560601212030g1a3b4e23t709dba44b783f7ea@mail.gmail.com> Funny, i did that and it and it didn't have any effect. I also tried giving my user sudo priveliges for /sbin/shutdown and changed the prefs to: ShutdownCommand="sudo /sbin/shutdown -h now" But come to think of it doesn't matter if I'm logged in as root or not. Weird huh? On 1/21/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 21 Jan 2006, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > I'm using k12linux for a regular desktop install. Is there a > > modification to icewm that disables shutdown? No matter what I do to > > the prefrences it still just logs out of icewm when I choose shutdown. > > > > Thanks! > > Peter > > Edit /usr/share/icewm/preferences , the original "ShutdownCommand" and > "RebootCommand" are commented out. Just comment out the disabled version > and uncomment the original. > > Change: > > # Command to shutdown the system > # ShutdownCommand="shutdown -h now" > ShutdownCommand="" > > # Command to reboot the system > # RebootCommand="shutdown -r now" > RebootCommand="" > > To: > > # Command to shutdown the system > ShutdownCommand="shutdown -h now" > # ShutdownCommand="" > > # Command to reboot the system > RebootCommand="shutdown -r now" > # RebootCommand="" > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Jan 22 06:31:30 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 01:31:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: icewm shutdown In-Reply-To: <9bd317560601212030g1a3b4e23t709dba44b783f7ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560601211958i4e8ba789ib62ddc70bf544b50@mail.gmail.com> < > <9bd317560601212030g1a3b4e23t709dba44b783f7ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, January 21, 2006 at 11:30 PM +0000 wrote: >Funny, i did that and it and it didn't have any effect. Did you restart IceWM? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Jan 22 06:30:33 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 01:30:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: icewm shutdown In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560601211958i4e8ba789ib62ddc70bf544b50@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560601212030g1a3b4e23t709dba44b783f7ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560601212230m701a4df4seddf52ee2afa6b6e@mail.gmail.com> Yup, I did restart IceWM. So far the only way I can get ice to shutdown is by executing a script that does "sudo /sbin/shutdown -h now". But I can't get that line to work directly from the preferences. On 1/22/06, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Saturday, January 21, 2006 at 11:30 PM +0000 wrote: > >Funny, i did that and it and it didn't have any effect. > > Did you restart IceWM? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Jan 22 20:35:39 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:35:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] gcc.i386 Message-ID: <9bd317560601221235uea70ff7i1afa45efbcf57720@mail.gmail.com> I just guessing that I need a 32bit gcc to compile the LBE. But when I do yum install gcc.i386 I get this: Dependencies Resolved Transaction Listing: Install: gcc.i386 0:3.4.4-2 - k12ltsp Performing the following to resolve dependencies: Update: cpp.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base Update: gcc-c++.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base Update: gcc-g77.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base Update: gcc-gnat.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base Update: gcc-java.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base Update: gcc-objc.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base Update: libf2c.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base Update: libgcc.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base Update: libgcj.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base Update: libgcj-devel.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base Update: libgnat.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base Update: libobjc.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base Update: libstdc++.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base Update: libstdc++-devel.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base Total download size: 42 M Is this ok [y/N]: n This isn't what I want is it? What do I have to do do yum to get the i386 versions? Thanks, Peter From rmccaa at tiu11.org Mon Jan 23 14:19:04 2006 From: rmccaa at tiu11.org (Bob McCaa) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:19:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT: Censornet Image Filter In-Reply-To: <43D1350C.3040609@inlandlakes.org> References: <43CFEB23.3070601@inlandlakes.org> <43D1350C.3040609@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1138025945.10102.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Shawn: Had it not been for someone mentioning it on this list, I never would have known about it. I pulled down the install and I'm going to build a testing machine to see how it stacks up against a solution we're currently paying for. Don't rethink... evaluate! Bob On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 14:07 -0500, Shawn Powers wrote: > Shawn Powers wrote: > > Sorry I don't have another venue to ask this question, but does anyone > > use the image filter in Censornet? We're considering buying the > > service, and I'd like some feedback from someone *real* that is already > > using it, or has used it in the past. > > Wow, really no one is using this at all? > > Maybe I should rethink my ideas... the image filtering idea seems > INCREDIBLE... > > -Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Mon Jan 23 14:27:18 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:27:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: icewm shutdown In-Reply-To: <9bd317560601212230m701a4df4seddf52ee2afa6b6e@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560601211958i4e8ba789ib62ddc70bf544b50@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560601212030g1a3b4e23t709dba44b783f7ea@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560601212230m701a4df4seddf52ee2afa6b6e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D4E7C6.20602@maltzen.net> I'm just curious: Why do you want shutdown available from within IceWM? If you're working at the console, at the login screen there is a shutdown option; you don't even have to be logged in to do it (which I think is a bit of a problem, but I assume there's a way to fix that). Is the idea to be able to shutdown the server while being logged in at a terminal as root? I'm not sure I'd want that as I'd worry about students trying to reboot the server from a terminal--they'll fail since they're not root, but I'd still rather not even have them see the option. Petre Peter Hartmann wrote: > Yup, I did restart IceWM. So far the only way I can get ice to > shutdown is by executing a script that does "sudo /sbin/shutdown -h > now". But I can't get that line to work directly from the > preferences. > > > On 1/22/06, David Trask wrote: > >>"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >>Saturday, January 21, 2006 at 11:30 PM +0000 wrote: >> >>>Funny, i did that and it and it didn't have any effect. >> >>Did you restart IceWM? >> >>David N. Trask >>Technology Teacher/Director >>Vassalboro Community School >>dtrask at vcsvikings.org >>(207)923-3100 >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Jan 23 14:53:45 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:53:45 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Slightly OT: Censornet Image Filter In-Reply-To: <1138025945.10102.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43CFEB23.3070601@inlandlakes.org> <43D1350C.3040609@inlandlakes.org> <1138025945.10102.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43D4EDF9.4010303@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> We use censornet but not with the Image filtering, if you need any help or have questions about it drop me a line. I can tell you it'll authenticate against a Samba 2.2x or 3 server no problem. Brian Chivers Portsmouth College Bob McCaa wrote: > Shawn: > > Had it not been for someone mentioning it on this list, I never would > have known about it. I pulled down the install and I'm going to build a > testing machine to see how it stacks up against a solution we're > currently paying for. > > Don't rethink... evaluate! > > Bob > > On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 14:07 -0500, Shawn Powers wrote: > >>Shawn Powers wrote: >> >>>Sorry I don't have another venue to ask this question, but does anyone >>>use the image filter in Censornet? We're considering buying the >>>service, and I'd like some feedback from someone *real* that is already >>>using it, or has used it in the past. >> >>Wow, really no one is using this at all? >> >>Maybe I should rethink my ideas... the image filtering idea seems >>INCREDIBLE... >> >>-Shawn >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Mon Jan 23 15:51:59 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:51:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with messed up margins in ie6- great in Firefox... Message-ID: Hi everyone. The unveiling for our student effort on the town's community radio station is Wednesday and we are stuck. I know that this isn't the greatest place to ask this sort of question but.... I've got two students who are putting together a webpage for our community radio station at: crestonradio.ca They did all of the work on our linux boxes using Firefox and we just discovered that ie6 totally messes up the margins among other things. Things are just beautiful in Firefox... Can someone please take a look at this? Thanks for any ideas, Jim From caldodge at fpcc.net Mon Jan 23 16:36:09 2006 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:36:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with messed up margins in ie6- great in Firefox... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060123163609.GA479@fpcc.net> On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 08:51:59AM -0700, Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hi everyone. The unveiling for our student effort on the town's community > radio station is Wednesday and we are stuck. > > I know that this isn't the greatest place to ask this sort of question > but.... > > I've got two students who are putting together a webpage for our community > radio station at: > > crestonradio.ca > > They did all of the work on our linux boxes using Firefox and we just > discovered that ie6 totally messes up the margins among other things. > Things are just beautiful in Firefox... > > Can someone please take a look at this? The probable cause is this: all placement is done via
tags and CSS, and IE6 could be goofing it up. Is there any chance they can use tables instead? (or in addition - so the divs could still have style info, but not placement) Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Jan 23 15:07:12 2006 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:07:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Wireless Laptop Solutions Message-ID: <43D4F120.5020607@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, I've seen the topic of using wireless laptops discussed here before, but now that I need it my Google searches are failing me. Can anyone point me to a wiki entry or some sort of tutorial that will talk me through using Intel-based wireless laptops as thin clients? I found the LTSP-Wireless package, but it doesn't support my 3Com wireless cards, so I'm thinking I need some sort of customized LiveCD or something similar. Any ideas? -- C-ya, Mark ____ "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. From timothy.hart at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 17:02:29 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:02:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with messed up margins in ie6- great in Firefox... In-Reply-To: <20060123163609.GA479@fpcc.net> References: <20060123163609.GA479@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <464c38cc0601230902k19bf8d18o476c001a52068271@mail.gmail.com> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Don't use tables instead. Don't bend to the will of IE. For this you must use the box model hack You can read about it at the address below. You fool IE into accepting the correct CSS. http://tantek.com/CSS/Examples/boxmodelhack.html On 1/23/06, Calvin Dodge wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 08:51:59AM -0700, Jim Christiansen wrote: > > Hi everyone. The unveiling for our student effort on the town's > community > > radio station is Wednesday and we are stuck. > > > > I know that this isn't the greatest place to ask this sort of question > > but.... > > > > I've got two students who are putting together a webpage for our > community > > radio station at: > > > > crestonradio.ca > > > > They did all of the work on our linux boxes using Firefox and we just > > discovered that ie6 totally messes up the margins among other things. > > Things are just beautiful in Firefox... > > > > Can someone please take a look at this? > > The probable cause is this: all placement is done via
tags and CSS, > and IE6 could be goofing it up. Is there any chance they can use tables > instead? (or in addition - so the divs could still have style info, but > not placement) > > Calvin > > -- > Calvin Dodge > Certified Linux Bigot (tm) > http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 17:08:57 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:08:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: icewm shutdown In-Reply-To: <43D4E7C6.20602@maltzen.net> References: <9bd317560601211958i4e8ba789ib62ddc70bf544b50@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560601212030g1a3b4e23t709dba44b783f7ea@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560601212230m701a4df4seddf52ee2afa6b6e@mail.gmail.com> <43D4E7C6.20602@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <9bd317560601230908l43e5a398sf595195ef8d2828d@mail.gmail.com> I guess you missed the part where I said this was a desktop install. :) Peter On 1/23/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > I'm just curious: Why do you want shutdown available from within IceWM? If you're > working at the console, at the login screen there is a shutdown option; you don't even > have to be logged in to do it (which I think is a bit of a problem, but I assume there's > a way to fix that). Is the idea to be able to shutdown the server while being logged in > at a terminal as root? I'm not sure I'd want that as I'd worry about students trying to > reboot the server from a terminal--they'll fail since they're not root, but I'd still > rather not even have them see the option. > > Petre > > Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Yup, I did restart IceWM. So far the only way I can get ice to > > shutdown is by executing a script that does "sudo /sbin/shutdown -h > > now". But I can't get that line to work directly from the > > preferences. > > > > > > On 1/22/06, David Trask wrote: > > > >>"Support list for opensource software in schools." on > >>Saturday, January 21, 2006 at 11:30 PM +0000 wrote: > >> > >>>Funny, i did that and it and it didn't have any effect. > >> > >>Did you restart IceWM? > >> > >>David N. Trask > >>Technology Teacher/Director > >>Vassalboro Community School > >>dtrask at vcsvikings.org > >>(207)923-3100 > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Jan 23 20:00:51 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:00:51 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] PHP help Message-ID: Hello all you PHP programmers out there! I have a program that I need to be able to run from inside a php script that produces a web page. The program allows you to set the pins on the parallel port to high or low based on commandline. Example: lptout 34 will set datalines 2 and 6 high and leave the rest off. I need to be able to accomplish this with php. A web form asks for a number between 0 and 255 and passes it to the php with a variable name "$bits" So, I should be able to use: system("lptout $bits" , $retval); and it should do the same as running from the commandline: lptout (bits) where bits is the number The commandline method works, but I can't do it in PHP. Anyone got any ideas? Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From dpalmerjr at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 20:14:04 2006 From: dpalmerjr at gmail.com (Darryl Palmer) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:14:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] PHP help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Doug, Take a look at http://www.epanorama.net/circuits/parallel_output.html Darryl Palmer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Jan 23 20:28:47 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:28:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] PHP help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have some of that stuff already, but will peruse it again later. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Darryl Palmer wrote: > Hello Doug, > > Take a look at http://www.epanorama.net/circuits/parallel_output.html > > Darryl Palmer > From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Mon Jan 23 20:35:49 2006 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:35:49 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] PHP help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1138048550.3684.15.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2006-01-23 at 14:00 -0600, Doug Simpson wrote: > Hello all you PHP programmers out there! > > I have a program that I need to be able to run from inside a php script > that produces a web page. > > The program allows you to set the pins on the parallel port to high or low > based on commandline. > > Example: > > lptout 34 > > will set datalines 2 and 6 high and leave the rest off. > > I need to be able to accomplish this with php. > > A web form asks for a number between 0 and 255 and passes it to the php > with a variable name "$bits" > > So, I should be able to use: > > system("lptout $bits" , $retval); > > and it should do the same as running from the commandline: > > lptout (bits) where bits is the number > > The commandline method works, but I can't do it in PHP. Anyone got any > ideas? > Does the lptout command actually get run by the php script? Maybe the PATH to lptout isn't correct. Does it need to be executed as a certain user in order to run? Perhaps you have to use a setuid binary in this situation. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 20:37:41 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:37:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] reinstall question Message-ID: <9bd317560601231237w56f537a6t28d5ee9e523aaca6@mail.gmail.com> Could I just copy my existing /etc/passwd and /etc/shaddow to a fresh install and have everything work. When I create users with a batch file through Webmin it never creates groups for users which always causes me headaches. Thanks, Peter From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Jan 23 20:40:55 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:40:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] PHP help In-Reply-To: <1138048550.3684.15.camel@localhost> References: <1138048550.3684.15.camel@localhost> Message-ID: Thanks for the reply. . . > > > Does the lptout command actually get run by the php script? Maybe the Unknown for sure > PATH to lptout isn't correct. Does it need to be executed as a certain the path is correct. > user in order to run? Perhaps you have to use a setuid binary in this > situation. again, unknown, but the lptout runs as any user from the commandline. . .so it should run as any user from a script, correct? > > -Toshio > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Jan 23 20:42:15 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:42:15 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] PHP help In-Reply-To: <1138048550.3684.15.camel@localhost> References: <1138048550.3684.15.camel@localhost> Message-ID: Uhhh. . . I lied. . . when I ran it as a non-root user, it returned: Error: Couldn't get the port at 378 This is likely why. . . what to do about this? Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Mon, 2006-01-23 at 14:00 -0600, Doug Simpson wrote: > > Hello all you PHP programmers out there! > > > > I have a program that I need to be able to run from inside a php script > > that produces a web page. > > > > The program allows you to set the pins on the parallel port to high or low > > based on commandline. > > > > Example: > > > > lptout 34 > > > > will set datalines 2 and 6 high and leave the rest off. > > > > I need to be able to accomplish this with php. > > > > A web form asks for a number between 0 and 255 and passes it to the php > > with a variable name "$bits" > > > > So, I should be able to use: > > > > system("lptout $bits" , $retval); > > > > and it should do the same as running from the commandline: > > > > lptout (bits) where bits is the number > > > > The commandline method works, but I can't do it in PHP. Anyone got any > > ideas? > > > Does the lptout command actually get run by the php script? Maybe the > PATH to lptout isn't correct. Does it need to be executed as a certain > user in order to run? Perhaps you have to use a setuid binary in this > situation. > > -Toshio > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Jan 23 20:54:09 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:54:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] PHP help In-Reply-To: References: <1138048550.3684.15.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <43D54271.907@paasda.org> security an issue? ... if not .. chown the file...or make a group that can exec it and join that group? Doug Simpson wrote: > Uhhh. . . I lied. . . when I ran it as a non-root user, it returned: > > Error: Couldn't get the port at 378 > > This is likely why. . . what to do about this? > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > >>On Mon, 2006-01-23 at 14:00 -0600, Doug Simpson wrote: >> >>>Hello all you PHP programmers out there! >>> >>>I have a program that I need to be able to run from inside a php script >>>that produces a web page. >>> >>>The program allows you to set the pins on the parallel port to high or low >>>based on commandline. >>> >>>Example: >>> >>>lptout 34 >>> >>>will set datalines 2 and 6 high and leave the rest off. >>> >>>I need to be able to accomplish this with php. >>> >>>A web form asks for a number between 0 and 255 and passes it to the php >>>with a variable name "$bits" >>> >>>So, I should be able to use: >>> >>>system("lptout $bits" , $retval); >>> >>>and it should do the same as running from the commandline: >>> >>>lptout (bits) where bits is the number >>> >>>The commandline method works, but I can't do it in PHP. Anyone got any >>>ideas? >>> >> >>Does the lptout command actually get run by the php script? Maybe the >>PATH to lptout isn't correct. Does it need to be executed as a certain >>user in order to run? Perhaps you have to use a setuid binary in this >>situation. >> >>-Toshio >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From julius at turtle.com Mon Jan 23 20:53:08 2006 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:53:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] reinstall question In-Reply-To: <9bd317560601231237w56f537a6t28d5ee9e523aaca6@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560601231237w56f537a6t28d5ee9e523aaca6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <52275.216.216.171.3.1138049588.squirrel@216.216.171.3> > Could I just copy my existing /etc/passwd and /etc/shaddow to a fresh > install and have everything work. When I create users with a batch > file through Webmin it never creates groups for users which always > causes me headaches. > ... and /etc/group and /etc/gshadow and it is /etc/shadow :-) I also suspect that the users would very much appreciate copying of the /home tree. From sbarar at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 22:07:18 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 03:37:18 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: icewm shutdown In-Reply-To: <43D4E7C6.20602@maltzen.net> References: <9bd317560601211958i4e8ba789ib62ddc70bf544b50@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560601212030g1a3b4e23t709dba44b783f7ea@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560601212230m701a4df4seddf52ee2afa6b6e@mail.gmail.com> <43D4E7C6.20602@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <774593a20601231407x591721b5g8f5a30844a7cc683@mail.gmail.com> On 1/23/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > I'm just curious: Why do you want shutdown available from within IceWM? If you're > working at the console, at the login screen there is a shutdown option; you don't even > have to be logged in to do it (which I think is a bit of a problem, but I assume there's > a way to fix that). Yes, you need to edit /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.com and play with action menu options. Alternatively look at login screen menu under system and disable actions menus. As to OP's question of shutdown from IceWm at worst case make a shell script with lines like: #!/bin/bash shutdown -h now make it executable and put it in menu by editing /usr/share/icewm/menu -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From wescott at sc.rr.com Tue Jan 24 02:14:25 2006 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:14:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] gcc.i386 In-Reply-To: <9bd317560601221235uea70ff7i1afa45efbcf57720@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560601221235uea70ff7i1afa45efbcf57720@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1138068865.4959.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2006-01-22 at 15:35 -0500, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I just guessing that I need a 32bit gcc to compile the LBE. But when > I do yum install gcc.i386 I get this: > Dependencies Resolved > Transaction Listing: > Install: gcc.i386 0:3.4.4-2 - k12ltsp > > Performing the following to resolve dependencies: > Update: cpp.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base > Update: gcc-c++.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base > [...] > Update: libstdc++.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base > Update: libstdc++-devel.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base > Total download size: 42 M > Is this ok [y/N]: n > > This isn't what I want is it? What do I have to do do yum to get the > i386 versions? It might be what you want, if you're running a 64 bit computer. I believe it will compile for both 32-bit and 64-bit objects. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Jan 24 04:40:58 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:40:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] PHP help In-Reply-To: References: <1138048550.3684.15.camel@localhost> Message-ID: Got it working. . . had to set the lptout to run as root. . . Works great now. . . Thanks for the assistance! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Doug Simpson wrote: > Thanks for the reply. . . > > > > > Does the lptout command actually get run by the php script? Maybe the > Unknown for sure > > > PATH to lptout isn't correct. Does it need to be executed as a certain > the path is correct. > > > user in order to run? Perhaps you have to use a setuid binary in this > > situation. > again, unknown, but the lptout runs as any user from the commandline. . > .so it should run as any user from a script, correct? > > > > > > -Toshio > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jan 24 05:59:27 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:59:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] gcc.i386 In-Reply-To: <9bd317560601221235uea70ff7i1afa45efbcf57720@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560601221235uea70ff7i1afa45efbcf57720@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Jan 2006, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I just guessing that I need a 32bit gcc to compile the LBE. But when > I do yum install gcc.i386 I get this: > Dependencies Resolved > Transaction Listing: > Install: gcc.i386 0:3.4.4-2 - k12ltsp > > Performing the following to resolve dependencies: > Update: cpp.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base > Update: gcc-c++.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base > Update: gcc-g77.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base > Update: gcc-gnat.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base > Update: gcc-java.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base > Update: gcc-objc.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base > Update: libf2c.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base > Update: libgcc.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base > Update: libgcj.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base > Update: libgcj-devel.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base > Update: libgnat.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base > Update: libobjc.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base > Update: libstdc++.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base > Update: libstdc++-devel.x86_64 0:3.4.4-2 - base > Total download size: 42 M > Is this ok [y/N]: n > > This isn't what I want is it? What do I have to do do yum to get the > i386 versions? It might just be a problem with the version of GCC, rather than if it is x86_64 vs i386. I've had best luck compiling the LBE on K12LTSP 4.1.1 (Fedora Core 2), which uses GCC version 3.3.3 -Eric From aimssda at cscoms.com Tue Jan 24 07:06:38 2006 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (K12LTSP) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:06:38 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Tuxpaint in Icewm gone after yum update In-Reply-To: <20060123170036.209C1736A1@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060123170036.209C1736A1@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <43D5D1FE.2070502@cscoms.com> Hi, My server (distro: k12EL 4.2.1) is set to update every night. One morning, i discovered that the tuxpaint menu in Graphics is gone. I can't get it back. Anybody out there can help me to put the it back in the menus. Thanks From Steven at Stevensantos.com Tue Jan 24 14:10:03 2006 From: Steven at Stevensantos.com (Steven Santos) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:10:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to assault and battery on campus" In-Reply-To: <20050425160020.4180D73AC1@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> Slightly off topic, but since I can't think of a group that would know more about this... A school in the area has been hit with a rash of in school assaults over things that have been posted to myspace.com, and specifically things posted by students claiming to be other students. Case in point, one student was contacted by what he thought was his girl friend telling him she had been sexually assaulted by another student. When the girlfriend isn't in school the next day (due to a scheduled ortho appointment) the boyfriend proceeds to beat the crap out of the other boy in school. Further investigation showed the myspace account that sent the message was a complete copy of the girlfriends account, with a slight, and unnoticed alteration in the username (name1211313 instead of name121313) used to help pull off the deception. The school has had 5 or 6 other instances not unlike this one over the past 60 days where assaults have taken place, and 15 or so that they were able to avert. Criminal prosecution in these cases is often difficult, as the person committing the actual assault is often also a victim, and tracking down who is behind it is proving to be almost impossible. I should also note that the myspace postings are taking place off school grounds. What policies and procedures do people have in place, or could your recommend to deal with these types of issues? From tim at litwiller.net Tue Jan 24 14:52:35 2006 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:52:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to assault and battery on campus" In-Reply-To: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> References: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> Message-ID: <43D63F33.6090304@litwiller.net> 1st thing is to put myspace.com in your filters blacklist so students at least can't access it from your premises. From petre at maltzen.net Tue Jan 24 14:58:27 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:58:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to assault and battery on campus" In-Reply-To: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> References: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> Message-ID: <43D64093.2020106@maltzen.net> In my local school, access to MySpace is blocked for this and other reasons. Of course, that doesn't control what the kids do outside of school. Petre Steven Santos wrote: > Slightly off topic, but since I can't think of a group that would know more > about this... > > A school in the area has been hit with a rash of in school assaults over > things that have been posted to myspace.com, and specifically things posted > by students claiming to be other students. > > Case in point, one student was contacted by what he thought was his girl > friend telling him she had been sexually assaulted by another student. When > the girlfriend isn't in school the next day (due to a scheduled ortho > appointment) the boyfriend proceeds to beat the crap out of the other boy in > school. > > Further investigation showed the myspace account that sent the message was a > complete copy of the girlfriends account, with a slight, and unnoticed > alteration in the username (name1211313 instead of name121313) used to help > pull off the deception. > > The school has had 5 or 6 other instances not unlike this one over the past > 60 days where assaults have taken place, and 15 or so that they were able to > avert. Criminal prosecution in these cases is often difficult, as the person > committing the actual assault is often also a victim, and tracking down who > is behind it is proving to be almost impossible. I should also note that the > myspace postings are taking place off school grounds. > > What policies and procedures do people have in place, or could your > recommend to deal with these types of issues? > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Tue Jan 24 15:05:10 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:05:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Success Stories on LTSP wiki Message-ID: <43D64226.2030507@McQuil.com> Hey guys, I just spent the last 30 minutes or so reading the Success Stories entry on the LTSP wiki. The one word that comes to mind is 'WOW'. There are really some awesome examples of LTSP deployment around the world. If you get a few minutes, go take a look at what's being done around the world with LTSP, and if you get a chance, add your own story there. The URL is: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/SuccessStories Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Tue Jan 24 15:16:02 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:16:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to assault and battery on campus" In-Reply-To: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> References: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> Message-ID: <43D644B2.40403@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Steven Santos wrote: > What policies and procedures do people have in place, or could your > recommend to deal with these types of issues? > Add us to the list of districts that have myspace.com in the squidguard blacklist (or equivalent). Unless someone can prove a compelling educational need for it, it's blocked. Mike From petre at maltzen.net Tue Jan 24 15:23:26 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:23:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Success Stories on LTSP wiki In-Reply-To: <43D64226.2030507@McQuil.com> References: <43D64226.2030507@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <43D6466E.6060703@maltzen.net> That reminds me: A few months ago I noticed on the K12LTSP Success Stories page that many of the stories in the bottom 1/3 of the page contain just garbage. I suspect a bug in the CGI script that creates the stories from the form that users fill out. Can this be fixed? Petre Jim McQuillan wrote: > Hey guys, > > I just spent the last 30 minutes or so reading the Success Stories entry > on the LTSP wiki. > > The one word that comes to mind is 'WOW'. There are really some awesome > examples of LTSP deployment around the world. > > If you get a few minutes, go take a look at what's being done around the > world with LTSP, and if you get a chance, add your own story there. > > The URL is: > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/SuccessStories > > > Thanks, > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From timothy.hart at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 15:35:13 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:35:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to assault and battery on campus" In-Reply-To: <43D644B2.40403@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> <43D644B2.40403@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <464c38cc0601240735j7a594273pffdc7c87e61e0d86@mail.gmail.com> Doing anything past what is listed above you can do nothing. Teaching parents and kids to be responsible is the only way. On 1/24/06, Mike Ely wrote: > > Steven Santos wrote: > > > What policies and procedures do people have in place, or could your > > recommend to deal with these types of issues? > > > Add us to the list of districts that have myspace.com in the squidguard > blacklist (or equivalent). Unless someone can prove a compelling > educational need for it, it's blocked. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 15:41:28 2006 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:41:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to assault and battery on campus" In-Reply-To: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> References: <20050425160020.4180D73AC1@hormel.redhat.com> <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> Message-ID: <92de6c880601240741s4dc9209dp1de0ac1f9971c98a@mail.gmail.com> I'm not in a school anymore, but it seems to me that if the problem is as acute as you say, you should consider training your counselors, school psychologists, and/or whomever else handles student support to read your students' blogs on MySpace regularly. I would try hard not to do this punitively ("you're suspended for what you wrote on MySpace") but to focus on intervening stopping these problems before they happen. Beyond that, I think just making it very clear to students that they are being watched on MySpace will scatter them a bit. So the next step will be that these communities will move to more private spaces to avoid adult eyes, but I think that making them more hidden will make them a little less popular with the kids. --Tom From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Jan 24 15:06:53 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:06:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer useleads to assault and battery on campus" In-Reply-To: <43D64093.2020106@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <200601241555.k0OFtkXb013786@mx3.redhat.com> MySpace has been blocked since day one in our district. As far as policy, take a look at the Children's Internet Protection Act (http://www.ifea.net/cipa.pdf). We had some personnel opposed to filtering...recently they found MySpace websites that students had created for teachers...and as you can guess the teachers had no clue and horrible things were being said on there and it would appear as though the teacher had said those things. They approved of the filtering after that incident. School districts in the area have also had some legal issues that involved MySpace. MySpace is a horrible blog site that I would say every school district needs to block. If staff and students want to blog, get some educational blog sites. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Petre Scheie Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:58 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer useleads to assault and battery on campus" In my local school, access to MySpace is blocked for this and other reasons. Of course, that doesn't control what the kids do outside of school. Petre Steven Santos wrote: > Slightly off topic, but since I can't think of a group that would know > more about this... > > A school in the area has been hit with a rash of in school assaults > over things that have been posted to myspace.com, and specifically > things posted by students claiming to be other students. > > Case in point, one student was contacted by what he thought was his > girl friend telling him she had been sexually assaulted by another > student. When the girlfriend isn't in school the next day (due to a > scheduled ortho > appointment) the boyfriend proceeds to beat the crap out of the other > boy in school. > > Further investigation showed the myspace account that sent the message > was a complete copy of the girlfriends account, with a slight, and > unnoticed alteration in the username (name1211313 instead of > name121313) used to help pull off the deception. > > The school has had 5 or 6 other instances not unlike this one over the > past 60 days where assaults have taken place, and 15 or so that they > were able to avert. Criminal prosecution in these cases is often > difficult, as the person committing the actual assault is often also a > victim, and tracking down who is behind it is proving to be almost > impossible. I should also note that the myspace postings are taking place off school grounds. > > What policies and procedures do people have in place, or could your > recommend to deal with these types of issues? > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From haysja at sages.us Tue Jan 24 15:58:01 2006 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:58:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to assault and battery on campus" In-Reply-To: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> References: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> Message-ID: <43D64E89.5000408@sages.us> All we can do from a school technology standpoint is to block MySpace (and Xanga, etc, etc, etc.) - which we have already done. If this is as bad as you say, the school might consider an assembly where there is a discussion on blogs, etc. and how easy it is to forge things on blogs, etc. Just another issue where schools end up spending time, energy, and resources addressing issues that should be addressed by other agencies - or parents But since the school in the "common denominator" in these kids' lives, the school ends up addressing these issues. Bottom line. Block MySpace, Xanga, etc. CYA. . Steven Santos wrote: >Slightly off topic, but since I can't think of a group that would know more >about this... > >A school in the area has been hit with a rash of in school assaults over >things that have been posted to myspace.com, and specifically things posted >by students claiming to be other students. > >Case in point, one student was contacted by what he thought was his girl >friend telling him she had been sexually assaulted by another student. When >the girlfriend isn't in school the next day (due to a scheduled ortho >appointment) the boyfriend proceeds to beat the crap out of the other boy in >school. > >Further investigation showed the myspace account that sent the message was a >complete copy of the girlfriends account, with a slight, and unnoticed >alteration in the username (name1211313 instead of name121313) used to help >pull off the deception. > >The school has had 5 or 6 other instances not unlike this one over the past >60 days where assaults have taken place, and 15 or so that they were able to >avert. Criminal prosecution in these cases is often difficult, as the person >committing the actual assault is often also a victim, and tracking down who >is behind it is proving to be almost impossible. I should also note that the >myspace postings are taking place off school grounds. > >What policies and procedures do people have in place, or could your >recommend to deal with these types of issues? > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Jim Hays, Technology Coordinator Monticello CUSD#25 #2 Sage Drive Monticello, IL 61856 (217) 762-8511 ext 1208 haysja at sages.us -------------------------------------------------------- From haysja at sages.us Tue Jan 24 16:01:49 2006 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:01:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] "Strong" Passwords Message-ID: <43D64F6D.2020409@sages.us> Is there a way to reduce the requirements of strong passwords on K12LTSP. I have a middle school computer teacher who claims that her students can't change their passwords. I have given them easy access to Usermin and have tested the heck out of it and I can change passwords. The teacher can't seem to understand what I tell her about strong passwords. I have sent her definite instructions on how to create a strong password that will pass the tests, but she complains to administrators that the "system" won't let the students change their passwords. I guess I need to loosen the password requirements. Where would I do that" Thanks. -- -------------------------------------------------------- Jim Hays, Technology Coordinator Monticello CUSD#25 #2 Sage Drive Monticello, IL 61856 (217) 762-8511 ext 1208 haysja at sages.us -------------------------------------------------------- From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jan 24 16:16:45 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:16:45 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to assault and battery on campus" In-Reply-To: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> References: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> Message-ID: <43D652ED.20704@paasda.org> Our policy is "myspace.com" does not get accessed at school... it is the responsibility of parents...did I say it loud enough PARENTS to monitor their child's activities on computers at their home, and the subsequent actions involving such activity. By blocking any access to myspace.com and a few others we relieve ourselves of that responsibility, but do take action as we would any other instance that comes up where students make poor personal decisions and bring those decisions to light on the school grounds. --Huck From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Tue Jan 24 16:16:19 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:16:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] "Strong" Passwords In-Reply-To: <43D64F6D.2020409@sages.us> References: <43D64F6D.2020409@sages.us> Message-ID: <43D652D3.9000209@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Jim Hays wrote: > Is there a way to reduce the requirements of strong passwords on > K12LTSP. I have a middle school computer teacher who claims that her > students can't change their passwords. I have given them easy access to > Usermin and have tested the heck out of it and I can change passwords. > The teacher can't seem to understand what I tell her about strong > passwords. I have sent her definite instructions on how to create a > strong password that will pass the tests, but she complains to > administrators that the "system" won't let the students change their > passwords. > > I guess I need to loosen the password requirements. Where would I do that" > > Thanks. > Jim, Talk to the administrators then, and if possible, show one or two of them how easy it actually is to change the passwords. Explain that you are uncertain as to why this particular teacher is having such problems, and state how many times you've shown this particular teacher how to do what you demonstrated. Unfortunately, sometimes a recalcitrant or technologically-inept teacher will blame "the system" for their own shortcomings. This can be really difficult when that teacher happens to be really good at their job outside of matters related to technology. My experience has been that the best thing to do in this case is to be very open with all parties, including administration, about what is happening, and hope that you get administrative backing. I really can't encourage a solution that weakens passwords - belive me: once you go down that road, the damage is almost impossible to reverse. Cheers, Mike From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Jan 24 16:38:23 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:38:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22MySpace.com=22_?= or =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22policies_?= for when computer use leads=?ISO-8859-1?Q? to_?= assaul In-Reply-To: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> References: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> Message-ID: We block it here at school, but also due to issues similar to what you describe (on a much lesser scale) we are hosting an information night for parents to show them what it is and how to deal with it. We have a local law enforcement cybercrimes officer attending as well. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 at 9:10 AM +0000 wrote: >Slightly off topic, but since I can't think of a group that would know >more >about this... > >A school in the area has been hit with a rash of in school assaults over >things that have been posted to myspace.com, and specifically things >posted >by students claiming to be other students. > >Case in point, one student was contacted by what he thought was his girl >friend telling him she had been sexually assaulted by another student. >When >the girlfriend isn't in school the next day (due to a scheduled ortho >appointment) the boyfriend proceeds to beat the crap out of the other boy >in >school. > >Further investigation showed the myspace account that sent the message >was a >complete copy of the girlfriends account, with a slight, and unnoticed >alteration in the username (name1211313 instead of name121313) used to >help >pull off the deception. > >The school has had 5 or 6 other instances not unlike this one over the >past >60 days where assaults have taken place, and 15 or so that they were able >to >avert. Criminal prosecution in these cases is often difficult, as the >person >committing the actual assault is often also a victim, and tracking down >who >is behind it is proving to be almost impossible. I should also note that >the >myspace postings are taking place off school grounds. > >What policies and procedures do people have in place, or could your >recommend to deal with these types of issues? > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Jan 24 16:38:23 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:38:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22MySpace.com=22_?= or =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22policies_?= for when computer use leads=?ISO-8859-1?Q? to_?= assaul In-Reply-To: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> References: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> Message-ID: We block it here at school, but also due to issues similar to what you describe (on a much lesser scale) we are hosting an information night for parents to show them what it is and how to deal with it. We have a local law enforcement cybercrimes officer attending as well. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 at 9:10 AM +0000 wrote: >Slightly off topic, but since I can't think of a group that would know >more >about this... > >A school in the area has been hit with a rash of in school assaults over >things that have been posted to myspace.com, and specifically things >posted >by students claiming to be other students. > >Case in point, one student was contacted by what he thought was his girl >friend telling him she had been sexually assaulted by another student. >When >the girlfriend isn't in school the next day (due to a scheduled ortho >appointment) the boyfriend proceeds to beat the crap out of the other boy >in >school. > >Further investigation showed the myspace account that sent the message >was a >complete copy of the girlfriends account, with a slight, and unnoticed >alteration in the username (name1211313 instead of name121313) used to >help >pull off the deception. > >The school has had 5 or 6 other instances not unlike this one over the >past >60 days where assaults have taken place, and 15 or so that they were able >to >avert. Criminal prosecution in these cases is often difficult, as the >person >committing the actual assault is often also a victim, and tracking down >who >is behind it is proving to be almost impossible. I should also note that >the >myspace postings are taking place off school grounds. > >What policies and procedures do people have in place, or could your >recommend to deal with these types of issues? > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Tue Jan 24 16:56:41 2006 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:56:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] KDE path Message-ID: I'm a bit concerned about this recent KDE vulnurability, is there a K12LTSP patch in the works for 4.4.1 and if it's already out, please point me in the right direction. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Jan 24 16:57:39 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:57:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SMBFS Permissions Message-ID: <1138121859.9402.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, Here's my setup: 1. I have K12LTSP 4.4.1 authenticating users against a Win2K3 AD Server (for single sign on purposes from Windows computers to Linux terminals) 2. I have a shared folder that is on a Windows 2000 Server being automatically mounted when every user logs in to a Linux terminal. Each user has their own domain folder but this folder is a general purpose folder that every student and staff memeber can use. The Problem: I edited /etc/fstab as root so the permissions on the share are 755 which only allows root to Read/Write/Execute and everyone else to only Read/Execute. How can I edit the share to allow everyone to Read/Write/Execute (777) from the share? Any ideas and/or help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5452 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Jan 24 17:02:58 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:02:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to assault and battery on campus" In-Reply-To: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> References: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> Message-ID: Unfortunately, if it occurs off school grounds, there is not much the school can do about it. If it happens on campus (the posting, that is) then the school is actually liable because they allowed it to happen from their computers. If the posting happens off-campus, and the assault happens on campus, the only recourse there is is to handle it just like any other on-campus assault. No matter what the cause. That would be just like if a guy said something about someone's girlfriend at the local game room and the other guy beat someone up at school. These types of sites are banned from our computers and can lead to computer use suspension ot even termination altogether. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Steven Santos wrote: > Slightly off topic, but since I can't think of a group that would know more > about this... > > A school in the area has been hit with a rash of in school assaults over > things that have been posted to myspace.com, and specifically things posted > by students claiming to be other students. > > Case in point, one student was contacted by what he thought was his girl > friend telling him she had been sexually assaulted by another student. When > the girlfriend isn't in school the next day (due to a scheduled ortho > appointment) the boyfriend proceeds to beat the crap out of the other boy in > school. > > Further investigation showed the myspace account that sent the message was a > complete copy of the girlfriends account, with a slight, and unnoticed > alteration in the username (name1211313 instead of name121313) used to help > pull off the deception. > > The school has had 5 or 6 other instances not unlike this one over the past > 60 days where assaults have taken place, and 15 or so that they were able to > avert. Criminal prosecution in these cases is often difficult, as the person > committing the actual assault is often also a victim, and tracking down who > is behind it is proving to be almost impossible. I should also note that the > myspace postings are taking place off school grounds. > > What policies and procedures do people have in place, or could your > recommend to deal with these types of issues? > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Jan 24 17:12:32 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:12:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] SMBFS Permissions In-Reply-To: <1138121859.9402.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1138121859.9402.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Uhh. . . fstab. . .share. . .? something don't add up there. . . Fstab you can set the volume (whole drive) to read only or read-write. Has absolutely nothing to do with samba, except if you have the volume read only, no matter what permissions you use on the samba share, the drive will still not allow writing by anyone but root. There are parameters you can set in samba to make everything write as root, but that is not the best way because, especially in a publicly available share, you want to know who owns the files. If you set it to where root writes everything and someone posts some wicked something in there, there won;t be any way to tell who it was because all the files will be owned by root. Been there, done that. . . Set the volume back to read-write and let samba handle the share. Hopefully I didn't cornfuze ya too much. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > Here's my setup: > > 1. I have K12LTSP 4.4.1 authenticating users against a Win2K3 AD Server > (for single sign on purposes from Windows computers to Linux terminals) > > 2. I have a shared folder that is on a Windows 2000 Server being > automatically mounted when every user logs in to a Linux terminal. Each > user has their own domain folder but this folder is a general purpose > folder that every student and staff memeber can use. > > The Problem: > > I edited /etc/fstab as root so the permissions on the share are 755 > which only allows root to Read/Write/Execute and everyone else to only > Read/Execute. How can I edit the share to allow everyone to > Read/Write/Execute (777) from the share? Any ideas and/or help would be > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks in advance. > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5452 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hackl at lskysd.ca Tue Jan 24 17:38:25 2006 From: hackl at lskysd.ca (Ryan Hackl - Spiritwood High) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:38:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows 2003 Active Directory and k12LTSP Message-ID: <20060124173743.M68047@bsd.sk.ca> Good day! (Sorry if this is a bit long-winded...) Currently, in one of our schools, the pre-existing Windows 2003 Active Directory network (with Windows 2000, XP workstations) needs to remain as we add k12LTSP thin clients to the system. Students and staff have access to a "home" folder on the Windows 2003 network and connect via roaming profiles. We'd like to move the "home" folders to the k12LTSP server and redirect windows users to the new location (LTSP). Has anyone successfully accomplished this, and if so, do you have an outline of steps to assist us? Thanks for any assistance you can offer... Ryan Hackl IT Services Living Sky School Division North Battleford, SK From thepiano at telenet.be Tue Jan 24 18:56:26 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:56:26 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Osx mount nfs shares the desktop Message-ID: Hello, I'd like to be able to automount our nfs (or smb) shares onto the desktop of my headmasters portable (powerbook 12 inch) running osX 10.4 As she wil be using her laptop at home too I can't simply give her a roaming account on our fileserver. Could you give me a hint in how to solve this issue? Really can't get out of it, the ldap auth issue is too difficult to beat for me too (like to have her auth againsyt our ldap server on fc4): In school yes she will be able to login, but what on a remote site? Any ideas? Kevin From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Jan 24 18:22:23 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:22:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SMBFS Permissions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200601241901.k0OJ1J8v030381@mx3.redhat.com> Doug and All, You didn't confuse me at all. But that means mounting volumes via fstab is pointless then. Staff and students can't add or take away anything from the shared drive that is automounted when they log in to a terminal. With only read/execute privileges there is no way to edit a document they saved in that share on a terminal and save it back. I need to make it so that staff and students can save work they do on a terminal back onto that shared drive. With the current configuration of 755 and root being the owner that isn't possible. Surely there is a work around? -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -----Original Message----- From: Doug Simpson [mailto:simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:13 PM To: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] SMBFS Permissions Uhh. . . fstab. . .share. . .? something don't add up there. . . Fstab you can set the volume (whole drive) to read only or read-write. Has absolutely nothing to do with samba, except if you have the volume read only, no matter what permissions you use on the samba share, the drive will still not allow writing by anyone but root. There are parameters you can set in samba to make everything write as root, but that is not the best way because, especially in a publicly available share, you want to know who owns the files. If you set it to where root writes everything and someone posts some wicked something in there, there won;t be any way to tell who it was because all the files will be owned by root. Been there, done that. . . Set the volume back to read-write and let samba handle the share. Hopefully I didn't cornfuze ya too much. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > Here's my setup: > > 1. I have K12LTSP 4.4.1 authenticating users against a Win2K3 AD > Server (for single sign on purposes from Windows computers to Linux > terminals) > > 2. I have a shared folder that is on a Windows 2000 Server being > automatically mounted when every user logs in to a Linux terminal. > Each user has their own domain folder but this folder is a general > purpose folder that every student and staff memeber can use. > > The Problem: > > I edited /etc/fstab as root so the permissions on the share are 755 > which only allows root to Read/Write/Execute and everyone else to only > Read/Execute. How can I edit the share to allow everyone to > Read/Write/Execute (777) from the share? Any ideas and/or help would > be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks in advance. > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5452 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jan 24 19:15:03 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:15:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Osx mount nfs shares the desktop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060124191206.M68804@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:56:26 +0100, Kevin Verheyen wrote > Hello, > > I'd like to be able to automount our nfs (or smb) shares onto the > desktop of my headmasters portable (powerbook 12 inch) running osX 10.4 > As she wil be using her laptop at home too I can't simply give her a > roaming account on our fileserver. > > Could you give me a hint in how to solve this issue? > Really can't get out of it, the ldap auth issue is too difficult to > beat for me too (like to have her auth againsyt our ldap server on > fc4): In school yes she will be able to login, but what on a remote site? Here is my tutorial for automounting NFS /home on a OSX machine and auth it to LDAP. This creates a roaming profile by storing all user info on the server. Doesn't sound like that is what you want, but you should be able to tweak it to mount whatever file system you need. As for the offsite authentication, I would think that as long as the LDAP ports are open to the outside world and your OSX machine was setup with a valid domain name for authentication it should be able to find the server when offsite. http://www.1-cs.com/osxldap.html -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From thepiano at telenet.be Tue Jan 24 19:23:42 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:23:42 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Osx mount nfs shares the desktop In-Reply-To: <20060124191206.M68804@winonacotter.org> References: <20060124191206.M68804@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <47E9E983-A239-45B4-A05B-EEEB51F17B8E@telenet.be> Op 24-jan-06, om 20:15 heeft Jim Kronebusch het volgende geschreven: > As for the offsite authentication, I > would think that as long as the LDAP ports are open to the outside > world and > your OSX machine was setup with a valid domain name for > authentication it > should be able to find the server when offsite. Kinda problem, as our internal domainname is sint-lutgardis.local..... Kevin From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 19:25:31 2006 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:25:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to assault and battery on campus" In-Reply-To: References: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> Message-ID: <92de6c880601241125m1e3d0c7eq4b61dab343a29812@mail.gmail.com> On 1/24/06, Doug Simpson wrote: > If the posting happens off-campus, and the assault happens on campus, the > only recourse there is is to handle it just like any other on-campus > assault. No matter what the cause. That would be just like if a guy said > something about someone's girlfriend at the local game room and the other > guy beat someone up at school. Well, it isn't exactly like that. Isn't it more like somebody put up flyers on telephone poles saying "I'm gonna kick Dave Trask's ass after school on Tuesday, signed Tom Hoffman?" The school may not be legally required to do anything, and they may or may not be legally permitted to take formal disciplinary action, but wouldn't you want to have some approprate adult speak to Dave and Tom sometime about the issue before the end of school on Tuesday? My point here is that adults are being given access to information about our students' lives that we generally don't get, so even as we may be blocking and warning kids away from these sites, we should also be teaching adults in our schools to *use* this data in ways that aren't necessarily strictly punitive. --Tom From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Jan 24 19:34:35 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:34:35 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to assault and battery on campus" In-Reply-To: <92de6c880601241125m1e3d0c7eq4b61dab343a29812@mail.gmail.com> References: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> <92de6c880601241125m1e3d0c7eq4b61dab343a29812@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: HEAR! HEAR! but with $ and time at a premium, it will be hard for many districts to have someone to be able to sit down and read the blogs, provided they can find them in the first place. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Tom Hoffman wrote: > On 1/24/06, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > If the posting happens off-campus, and the assault happens on campus, the > > only recourse there is is to handle it just like any other on-campus > > assault. No matter what the cause. That would be just like if a guy said > > something about someone's girlfriend at the local game room and the other > > guy beat someone up at school. > > Well, it isn't exactly like that. Isn't it more like somebody put up > flyers on telephone poles saying "I'm gonna kick Dave Trask's ass > after school on Tuesday, signed Tom Hoffman?" > > The school may not be legally required to do anything, and they may or > may not be legally permitted to take formal disciplinary action, but > wouldn't you want to have some approprate adult speak to Dave and Tom > sometime about the issue before the end of school on Tuesday? > > My point here is that adults are being given access to information > about our students' lives that we generally don't get, so even as we > may be blocking and warning kids away from these sites, we should also > be teaching adults in our schools to *use* this data in ways that > aren't necessarily strictly punitive. > > --Tom > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Jan 24 19:41:32 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:41:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Osx mount nfs shares the desktop In-Reply-To: <47E9E983-A239-45B4-A05B-EEEB51F17B8E@telenet.be> References: <20060124191206.M68804@winonacotter.org> <47E9E983-A239-45B4-A05B-EEEB51F17B8E@telenet.be> Message-ID: <43D682EC.3040404@maltzen.net> This is kind of a 'way out there' solution, but you could run NX server on your terminal server and install the client on her laptop. It connects over ssh (port 22). She'll get a window that looks like the thin client desktop. Kevin Verheyen wrote: > > Op 24-jan-06, om 20:15 heeft Jim Kronebusch het volgende geschreven: > >> As for the offsite authentication, I >> would think that as long as the LDAP ports are open to the outside >> world and >> your OSX machine was setup with a valid domain name for >> authentication it >> should be able to find the server when offsite. > > > Kinda problem, as our internal domainname is sint-lutgardis.local..... > > Kevin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From timothy.hart at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 19:45:28 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:45:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to assault and battery on campus" In-Reply-To: References: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> <92de6c880601241125m1e3d0c7eq4b61dab343a29812@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <464c38cc0601241145t52f47176l53070eaa73245982@mail.gmail.com> I do not think we need someone to be hired to be the fascist read everything the student does type of thing. In the future this will be less of a deal as older people become as (if a little more) tech savy. I am pretty young myself and am involved in a lot of the same activities as the "kids" (not myspace but others). I get to lead by example. This isn't to say there are problems, but I am very against total censorship of any kind. On 1/24/06, Doug Simpson wrote: > > HEAR! HEAR! but with $ and time at a premium, it will be hard for many > districts to have someone to be able to sit down and read the blogs, > provided they can find them in the first place. . . > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Tom Hoffman wrote: > > > On 1/24/06, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > > > If the posting happens off-campus, and the assault happens on campus, > the > > > only recourse there is is to handle it just like any other on-campus > > > assault. No matter what the cause. That would be just like if a guy > said > > > something about someone's girlfriend at the local game room and the > other > > > guy beat someone up at school. > > > > Well, it isn't exactly like that. Isn't it more like somebody put up > > flyers on telephone poles saying "I'm gonna kick Dave Trask's ass > > after school on Tuesday, signed Tom Hoffman?" > > > > The school may not be legally required to do anything, and they may or > > may not be legally permitted to take formal disciplinary action, but > > wouldn't you want to have some approprate adult speak to Dave and Tom > > sometime about the issue before the end of school on Tuesday? > > > > My point here is that adults are being given access to information > > about our students' lives that we generally don't get, so even as we > > may be blocking and warning kids away from these sites, we should also > > be teaching adults in our schools to *use* this data in ways that > > aren't necessarily strictly punitive. > > > > --Tom > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 19:55:28 2006 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:55:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to assault and battery on campus" In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0601241145t52f47176l53070eaa73245982@mail.gmail.com> References: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> <92de6c880601241125m1e3d0c7eq4b61dab343a29812@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0601241145t52f47176l53070eaa73245982@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <92de6c880601241155k13a10c1cme0189d22394dafe3@mail.gmail.com> On 1/24/06, Timothy Hart wrote: > I do not think we need someone to be hired to be the fascist read everything > the student does type of thing. In the future this will be less of a deal as > older people become as (if a little more) tech savy. Yes, but doesn't becoming more tech savvy = being able to navigate MySpace, etc., oneself? > I am pretty young > myself and am involved in a lot of the same activities as the "kids" (not > myspace but others). I get to lead by example. This isn't to say there are > problems, but I am very against total censorship of any kind. There is nothing either fascist or censorial about reading public material on the web. Part of being tech savvy is understanding that. The question is whether or not the school has effective methods of addressing issues in students lives that aren't strictly punitive (advisors, counselors, mentors, therapists, etc.). --Tom From timothy.hart at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 20:10:02 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:10:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to assault and battery on campus" In-Reply-To: <92de6c880601241155k13a10c1cme0189d22394dafe3@mail.gmail.com> References: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> <92de6c880601241125m1e3d0c7eq4b61dab343a29812@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0601241145t52f47176l53070eaa73245982@mail.gmail.com> <92de6c880601241155k13a10c1cme0189d22394dafe3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <464c38cc0601241210o120bc28fr75995a88dc284db7@mail.gmail.com> On 1/24/06, Tom Hoffman wrote: > > Yes, but doesn't becoming more tech savvy = being able to navigate > MySpace, etc., oneself? Yes, I agree. There is nothing either fascist or censorial about reading public > material on the web. Part of being tech savvy is understanding that. I am saying that it would be a waste to have someone reading all the material looking for people saying mean things and what not. My point was as we do become more tech savy this will happen automatically. The question is whether or not the school has effective methods of > addressing issues in students lives that aren't strictly punitive > (advisors, counselors, mentors, therapists, etc.). I agree also to a point. I do have to point out here that the first line of responsibility if the parent. It takes a parent, not a village to raise a child. The village should support and nuture. I have been reading a lot of material that suggests other wise, so I am kind of wound up on that fact. I beleive we are on the same page Tom. 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If you have the k12ltsp repo in /etc/yum.repos.d just: yum update or download it here: http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.1/updates/kdelibs-3.5.0-0.4.fc4.i386.rpm -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From thepiano at telenet.be Tue Jan 24 20:49:24 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:49:24 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Osx mount nfs shares the desktop In-Reply-To: <43D682EC.3040404@maltzen.net> References: <20060124191206.M68804@winonacotter.org> <47E9E983-A239-45B4-A05B-EEEB51F17B8E@telenet.be> <43D682EC.3040404@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Op 24-jan-06, om 20:41 heeft Petre Scheie het volgende geschreven: > This is kind of a 'way out there' solution, could you explain this to me? Like to learn each day :) Kevin From les at futuresource.com Tue Jan 24 21:16:14 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:16:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Osx mount nfs shares the desktop In-Reply-To: References: <20060124191206.M68804@winonacotter.org> <47E9E983-A239-45B4-A05B-EEEB51F17B8E@telenet.be> <43D682EC.3040404@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1138137374.31116.57.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 14:49, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Op 24-jan-06, om 20:41 heeft Petre Scheie het volgende geschreven: > > > This is kind of a 'way out there' solution, > > could you explain this to me? Like to learn each day :) On the server side: yum install freenx On clients (linx/windows/mac), install the appropriate NX client from http://www.nomachine.com/download.php. Start the client program, click the 'configure, then 'key' buttons, paste in the text from /etc/nxserver/client.id_dsa.key and click 'save'. Slide the bandwidth adjustment to a reasonable position and click 'save'. Fill in the login and password and click 'login'. This gives you a remote X desktop with much better performance over slower connections. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Tue Jan 24 21:27:19 2006 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:27:19 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20Re:=20[K12OSN]=20Oops,=20make=20that?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20=20KDE=20patch?= Message-ID: Thanks, needed that! >>> dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us 2006-01-24 15:49:13 >>> Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > > I'm a bit concerned about this recent KDE vulnurability, is there a > K12LTSP patch in the works for 4.4.1 and if it's already out, please > point me in the right direction. If you have the k12ltsp repo in /etc/yum.repos.d just: yum update or download it here: http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.4.1/updates/kdelibs-3.5.0-0.4.fc4.i386.rpm -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Like to learn each day :) > > > On the server side: > yum install freenx > On clients (linx/windows/mac), install the appropriate NX > client from http://www.nomachine.com/download.php. > Start the client program, click the 'configure, then 'key' buttons, > paste in the text from /etc/nxserver/client.id_dsa.key and > click 'save'. Slide the bandwidth adjustment to a reasonable > position and click 'save'. Fill in the login and password > and click 'login'. This gives you a remote X desktop with > much better performance over slower connections. > Note that the /etc/nxserver/client.id_dsa.key file is on the server and it or its contents must be copied to the client machine as Les mentioned. There's a pretty good how-to at http://fedoranews.org/contributors/rick_stout/freenx. From veewee77 at alltel.net Tue Jan 24 20:09:06 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:09:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SMBFS Permissions In-Reply-To: <200601241901.k0OJ1J8v030381@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200601241901.k0OJ1J8v030381@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <43D68962.9000807@alltel.net> OK, so the linux server is mounting the share that is on the winders one via fstab and giving it to the students and teachers when they are in on linux terminals. . . OK. . . gotcha now! Are you mounting the share with mount -t smbfs etc? If so, here is one way to work around this. . . This will have to be manually run as root from the linux computer. . . mount -t smbfs -o username=(valid username on the pdc),password(validpassword) //servername/sharename /mountpointpath. Previous is all on one line, exclude the ( ) and use a valid username/password combination that has write permissions to the share. Create a bogus user that has the correct permissions if you want to so you don't have to use an actual user's credentials. I did this to run a software package that was on a server in a lab on computers that logged into a different domain from their classrooms. . . Worked great. P.S. this will not work real good if there is a program that requires separate logins run from that share, but for your purposes, It doesn't look like a problem since it will basically just be documents and etc. The reason is that every file that is written to that share, will actually be written by the account that you used to mount the share. If you need further assistance, let me know and I'll see if I can help you out. . . Doug Paul VanGundy wrote: >Doug and All, > >You didn't confuse me at all. But that means mounting volumes via fstab is >pointless then. Staff and students can't add or take away anything from the >shared drive that is automounted when they log in to a terminal. With only >read/execute privileges there is no way to edit a document they saved in >that share on a terminal and save it back. I need to make it so that staff >and students can save work they do on a terminal back onto that shared >drive. With the current configuration of 755 and root being the owner that >isn't possible. Surely there is a work around? > >-Paul > > >-- >Paul VanGundy >Information Technology Director >Epping High School >Epping Middle School >P: 603.679.5472 >F: 603.679.2966 >vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us >Registered Linux User #398783 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Doug Simpson [mailto:simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us] >Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:13 PM >To: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us; Support list for opensource software in >schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] SMBFS Permissions > >Uhh. . . fstab. . .share. . .? something don't add up there. . . > >Fstab you can set the volume (whole drive) to read only or read-write. >Has absolutely nothing to do with samba, except if you have the volume read >only, no matter what permissions you use on the samba share, the drive will >still not allow writing by anyone but root. > >There are parameters you can set in samba to make everything write as root, >but that is not the best way because, especially in a publicly available >share, you want to know who owns the files. If you set it to where root >writes everything and someone posts some wicked something in there, there >won;t be any way to tell who it was because all the files will be owned by >root. > >Been there, done that. . . > >Set the volume back to read-write and let samba handle the share. > >Hopefully I didn't cornfuze ya too much. . . > >Doug Simpson >Technology Specialist >DeQueen Public Schools >DeQueen, AR 71832 >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >Tux for President! > >On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > > >>All, >> >>Here's my setup: >> >>1. I have K12LTSP 4.4.1 authenticating users against a Win2K3 AD >>Server (for single sign on purposes from Windows computers to Linux >>terminals) >> >>2. I have a shared folder that is on a Windows 2000 Server being >>automatically mounted when every user logs in to a Linux terminal. >>Each user has their own domain folder but this folder is a general >>purpose folder that every student and staff memeber can use. >> >>The Problem: >> >>I edited /etc/fstab as root so the permissions on the share are 755 >>which only allows root to Read/Write/Execute and everyone else to only >>Read/Execute. How can I edit the share to allow everyone to >>Read/Write/Execute (777) from the share? Any ideas and/or help would >>be greatly appreciated. >> >>Thanks in advance. >> >>-Paul >> >>-- >>Paul VanGundy >>Information Technology Director >>Epping High School >>Epping Middle School >>P: 603.679.5452 >>F: 603.679.2966 >>vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us >>Registered Linux User #398783 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From haysja at sages.us Tue Jan 24 21:44:46 2006 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:44:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to assault and battery on campus" In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0601241210o120bc28fr75995a88dc284db7@mail.gmail.com> References: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> <92de6c880601241125m1e3d0c7eq4b61dab343a29812@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0601241145t52f47176l53070eaa73245982@mail.gmail.com> <92de6c880601241155k13a10c1cme0189d22394dafe3@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0601241210o120bc28fr75995a88dc284db7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43D69FCE.6080904@sages.us> You say you are young enough to participate in many of the same tech activities as the kids. I take that to mean that you haven't had a lot of experience in the educational world. This "laissez faire" attitude is real nice until a group of FBI agents and Homeland Security Agents and State Police show up at the front door and you as the technology coordinator get pulled into the middle of a "mess". An hour later one of our most respected teachers was lead away in handcuffs because of what he was doing online. Now that will change your views on content filtering in a hurry. Timothy Hart wrote: > > > On 1/24/06, *Tom Hoffman* > wrote: > > > Yes, but doesn't becoming more tech savvy = being able to navigate > MySpace, etc., oneself? > > > Yes, I agree. > > There is nothing either fascist or censorial about reading public > material on the web. Part of being tech savvy is understanding that. > > > I am saying that it would be a waste to have someone reading all the > material looking for people saying mean things and what not. My point > was as we do become more tech savy this will happen automatically. > > The question is whether or not the school has effective methods of > addressing issues in students lives that aren't strictly punitive > (advisors, counselors, mentors, therapists, etc.). > > > I agree also to a point. I do have to point out here that the first > line of responsibility if the parent. It takes a parent, not a village > to raise a child. The village should support and nuture. I have been > reading a lot of material that suggests other wise, so I am kind of > wound up on that fact. > > I beleive we are on the same page Tom. I think we are just looking at > it from different angles. > > > --Tom > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Jim Hays, Technology Coordinator Monticello CUSD#25 #2 Sage Drive Monticello, IL 61856 (217) 762-8511 ext 1208 haysja at sages.us -------------------------------------------------------- From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Tue Jan 24 21:48:56 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:48:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to assault and battery on campus" In-Reply-To: <43D69FCE.6080904@sages.us> References: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> <92de6c880601241125m1e3d0c7eq4b61dab343a29812@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0601241145t52f47176l53070eaa73245982@mail.gmail.com> <92de6c880601241155k13a10c1cme0189d22394dafe3@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0601241210o120bc28fr75995a88dc284db7@mail.gmail.com> <43D69FCE.6080904@sages.us> Message-ID: <43D6A0C8.5020802@rogueriver.k12.or.us> For a real-life example of similar, this happened recently at a local district - thankfully not mine as I understand the law enforcement involvement took some amount of work on the part of tech staff there: http://www.mailtribune.com/archive/2005/1216/local/stories/13local.htm Jim Hays wrote: > You say you are young enough to participate in many of the same tech > activities as the kids. I take that to mean that you haven't had a lot > of experience in the educational world. This "laissez faire" attitude > is real nice until a group of FBI agents and Homeland Security Agents > and State Police show up at the front door and you as the technology > coordinator get pulled into the middle of a "mess". An hour later one > of our most respected teachers was lead away in handcuffs because of > what he was doing online. > > Now that will change your views on content filtering in a hurry. > > > Timothy Hart wrote: > >> >> >> On 1/24/06, *Tom Hoffman* > > wrote: >> >> >> Yes, but doesn't becoming more tech savvy = being able to navigate >> MySpace, etc., oneself? >> >> >> Yes, I agree. >> >> There is nothing either fascist or censorial about reading public >> material on the web. Part of being tech savvy is understanding that. >> >> >> I am saying that it would be a waste to have someone reading all the >> material looking for people saying mean things and what not. My point >> was as we do become more tech savy this will happen automatically. >> >> The question is whether or not the school has effective methods of >> addressing issues in students lives that aren't strictly punitive >> (advisors, counselors, mentors, therapists, etc.). >> >> >> I agree also to a point. I do have to point out here that the first >> line of responsibility if the parent. It takes a parent, not a village >> to raise a child. The village should support and nuture. I have been >> reading a lot of material that suggests other wise, so I am kind of >> wound up on that fact. >> >> I beleive we are on the same page Tom. I think we are just looking at >> it from different angles. >> >> >> --Tom >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >> For more info see >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jan 24 22:03:31 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:03:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to assault and battery on campus" In-Reply-To: <43D6A0C8.5020802@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> <92de6c880601241125m1e3d0c7eq4b61dab343a29812@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0601241145t52f47176l53070eaa73245982@mail.gmail.com> <92de6c880601241155k13a10c1cme0189d22394dafe3@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0601241210o120bc28fr75995a88dc284db7@mail.gmail.com> <43D69FCE.6080904@sages.us> <43D6A0C8.5020802@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43D6A433.2090508@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Mike Ely wrote: > For a real-life example of similar, this happened recently at a local > district - thankfully not mine as I understand the law enforcement > involvement took some amount of work on the part of tech staff there: > http://www.mailtribune.com/archive/2005/1216/local/stories/13local.htm Working this one took up several MONTHS of my time... http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/news/oregonian/lc_41hackr27.frame -Eric > Jim Hays wrote: > >> You say you are young enough to participate in many of the same tech >> activities as the kids. I take that to mean that you haven't had a >> lot of experience in the educational world. This "laissez faire" >> attitude is real nice until a group of FBI agents and Homeland >> Security Agents and State Police show up at the front door and you as >> the technology coordinator get pulled into the middle of a "mess". >> An hour later one of our most respected teachers was lead away in >> handcuffs because of what he was doing online. >> >> Now that will change your views on content filtering in a hurry. >> >> >> Timothy Hart wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 1/24/06, *Tom Hoffman* >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> Yes, but doesn't becoming more tech savvy = being able to navigate >>> MySpace, etc., oneself? >>> >>> >>> Yes, I agree. >>> >>> There is nothing either fascist or censorial about reading public >>> material on the web. Part of being tech savvy is understanding >>> that. >>> >>> >>> I am saying that it would be a waste to have someone reading all the >>> material looking for people saying mean things and what not. My point >>> was as we do become more tech savy this will happen automatically. >>> >>> The question is whether or not the school has effective methods of >>> addressing issues in students lives that aren't strictly punitive >>> (advisors, counselors, mentors, therapists, etc.). >>> >>> >>> I agree also to a point. I do have to point out here that the first >>> line of responsibility if the parent. It takes a parent, not a >>> village to raise a child. The village should support and nuture. I >>> have been reading a lot of material that suggests other wise, so I am >>> kind of wound up on that fact. >>> >>> I beleive we are on the same page Tom. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Jan 25 00:12:51 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:12:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to assault and battery on campus" In-Reply-To: References: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> Message-ID: <59401.70.33.151.214.1138147971.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Yes i think termination could be very useful...chuck > > These types of sites are banned from our computers and can lead to > computer use suspension ot even termination altogether. > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Steven Santos wrote: > >> Slightly off topic, but since I can't think of a group that would know >> more >> about this... >> >> A school in the area has been hit with a rash of in school assaults over >> things that have been posted to myspace.com, and specifically things >> posted >> by students claiming to be other students. >> >> Case in point, one student was contacted by what he thought was his girl >> friend telling him she had been sexually assaulted by another student. >> When >> the girlfriend isn't in school the next day (due to a scheduled ortho >> appointment) the boyfriend proceeds to beat the crap out of the other >> boy in >> school. >> >> Further investigation showed the myspace account that sent the message >> was a >> complete copy of the girlfriends account, with a slight, and unnoticed >> alteration in the username (name1211313 instead of name121313) used to >> help >> pull off the deception. >> >> The school has had 5 or 6 other instances not unlike this one over the >> past >> 60 days where assaults have taken place, and 15 or so that they were >> able to >> avert. Criminal prosecution in these cases is often difficult, as the >> person >> committing the actual assault is often also a victim, and tracking down >> who >> is behind it is proving to be almost impossible. I should also note that >> the >> myspace postings are taking place off school grounds. >> >> What policies and procedures do people have in place, or could your >> recommend to deal with these types of issues? >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Wed Jan 25 04:01:08 2006 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:01:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to assault and battery on campus" In-Reply-To: <59401.70.33.151.214.1138147971.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> <59401.70.33.151.214.1138147971.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <51715.70.58.177.105.1138161668.squirrel@webmail.lane.k12.or.us> cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > Yes i think termination could be very useful...chuck >> >> These types of sites are banned from our computers and can lead to >> computer use suspension ot even termination altogether. >> We also ban myspace.com, though not for reasons nearly as dramatic as what is described below. Basically it proved to be too much of a distraction and the teachers at the HS requested the block. To answer the core question regarding what policies and procedures we have in place, it basically boils down to anything that we (the district) feel is distruptive to the educational environment is potentially blockable. As the Internet access at school is provided solely for it's usefulness in education we are within our rights to block anything that does not further that goal. >> On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Steven Santos wrote: >> >>> Slightly off topic, but since I can't think of a group that would know >>> more >>> about this... >>> >>> A school in the area has been hit with a rash of in school assaults >>> over >>> things that have been posted to myspace.com, and specifically things >>> posted >>> by students claiming to be other students. >>> >>> Case in point, one student was contacted by what he thought was his >>> girl >>> friend telling him she had been sexually assaulted by another student. >>> When >>> the girlfriend isn't in school the next day (due to a scheduled ortho >>> appointment) the boyfriend proceeds to beat the crap out of the other >>> boy in >>> school. >>> >>> Further investigation showed the myspace account that sent the message >>> was a >>> complete copy of the girlfriends account, with a slight, and unnoticed >>> alteration in the username (name1211313 instead of name121313) used to >>> help >>> pull off the deception. >>> >>> The school has had 5 or 6 other instances not unlike this one over the >>> past >>> 60 days where assaults have taken place, and 15 or so that they were >>> able to >>> avert. Criminal prosecution in these cases is often difficult, as the >>> person >>> committing the actual assault is often also a victim, and tracking down >>> who >>> is behind it is proving to be almost impossible. I should also note >>> that >>> the >>> myspace postings are taking place off school grounds. >>> >>> What policies and procedures do people have in place, or could your >>> recommend to deal with these types of issues? >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- -Regards- Quentin Hartman Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon V (541)767-3778 F (541)767-3041 www.slane.k12.or.us From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Jan 25 04:15:19 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:45:19 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Success Stories on LTSP wiki In-Reply-To: <43D64226.2030507@McQuil.com> References: <43D64226.2030507@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <774593a20601242015n570bdf97gbd10b22cf97098ce@mail.gmail.com> On 1/24/06, Jim McQuillan wrote: > The one word that comes to mind is 'WOW'. There are really some awesome > examples of LTSP deployment around the world. > WOW back at you, Eric and others for piloting this so far!! Great system and I keep finding ways to iplement this with amazingly little "admin" back up. Just helped a local business set up this in all their branches (10 nos.) of course with add on of VPN tunnel. Two schools have worked on this as well. The only thing holding back is lack of "local" (Indian) edu content. Our LUG and few others are working on that. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Wed Jan 25 14:31:46 2006 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:31:46 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Hardware Monitoring and Tracking (NHTAM) Project Message-ID: <96df2e0b0601250631l6e8de4ccn@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, A few months back I wrote about a project I'd started to monitor servers using Ping. I got a bit distracted with work for a few months, but got back into the saddle last week and committed a few more lines of code into the CVS, which now provides server pinging and NTP checking. I've bundled it up and created a .zip and .tar.gz file with all the code in. It's at https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=148300&package_id=163543&release_id=387193 and I'd be grateful if someone could check it out. If you want to contribute, please let me know your sourceforge ID and I'll get you CVS access. Requirements are: MySQL (Any version which supports INSERT, UPDATE, SELECT and MD5 - is that all of them?) PHP (4.0+) Areas which need development are: 1) Security 2) Not all the "Edit" functions work correctly. 3) Better graphics/themeing 4) More plugins (e.g. disk space monitoring, SMTP and WWW server checking) 5) Testing facilities on *nix platforms (development was all done on a Windows Machine). 6) Database management (e.g. minimizing space requirements for larger server farms or allowing extended logging) 7) Graphing of uptimes and results 8) Alerting options? For those who are more comfortable with Nightly Builds or CVS access, please see http://nhtam.sf.net for more directions, or reply to this mail. Thanks for your help and interest, and I'm sorry it's taken so long to get to this point. Regards Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Jan 25 14:59:54 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:59:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba 4 preview...could this be the holy grail? Message-ID: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/New_Samba_targets_Active_Directory/0,2000061733,39234687,00.htm The new Samba 4 may be just what many are looking for. I has "supposedly" a built in LDAP server and has the ability to emulate and work alongside Active Directory. Check out the article above. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Jan 25 14:59:54 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:59:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba 4 preview...could this be the holy grail? fixed link Message-ID: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/New_Samba_targets_Active_Directory/0,2000061733,39234687,00.htm or from here http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/25/0540213&from=rss The new Samba 4 may be just what many are looking for. I has "supposedly" a built in LDAP server and has the ability to emulate and work alongside Active Directory. Check out the article above. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 25 15:34:22 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:34:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Osx mount nfs shares the desktop In-Reply-To: <47E9E983-A239-45B4-A05B-EEEB51F17B8E@telenet.be> References: <20060124191206.M68804@winonacotter.org> <47E9E983-A239-45B4-A05B-EEEB51F17B8E@telenet.be> Message-ID: <20060125145545.M93500@winonacotter.org> > Kinda problem, as our internal domainname is sint-lutgardis.local..... I was trying to come up with a way to make OSX profiles work like windows in the fact that they just synchronized when connecting/disconnecting from the network and allowing the user to run localy when offsite. But I was never albe to get a workable solution. As of now you would need to make your domain available externally or just mirror an local accounts on that machine. I was going to just set up all local OSX machines to auth to LDAP and set laptops up with the one user that will be carrying it around, but that still didn't provide access to files offsite, so I was then going to setup a logon/logoff script that checked availability of the server and rsynced files but never go there. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Jan 25 15:59:22 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:59:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] windows dhcp for Macintosh to netboot to ltsp In-Reply-To: <20060125145545.M93500@winonacotter.org> References: <20060124191206.M68804@winonacotter.org> <47E9E983-A239-45B4-A05B-EEEB51F17B8E@telenet.be> <20060125145545.M93500@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <55305.169.244.70.146.1138204762.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> We can now use windoze dhcp to boot Macintosh to ltsp..There are preliminary notes at wiki.ltsp.org under CPU Architectures..chuck From timothy.hart at gmail.com Wed Jan 25 16:01:38 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:01:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to assault and battery on campus" In-Reply-To: <43D69FCE.6080904@sages.us> References: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> <92de6c880601241125m1e3d0c7eq4b61dab343a29812@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0601241145t52f47176l53070eaa73245982@mail.gmail.com> <92de6c880601241155k13a10c1cme0189d22394dafe3@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0601241210o120bc28fr75995a88dc284db7@mail.gmail.com> <43D69FCE.6080904@sages.us> Message-ID: <464c38cc0601250801l7e3e779dl86e674b7ddf15c24@mail.gmail.com> Look, the only thing I worry about here is going too far with the amount of responsibilty schools put on themselves to raise children. That is all I am saying. Also please do not automatically peg my being (by my own admission) young"er" with not being experienced enough to offer an opinion. I am not saying anything about a "Laissez faire" attitude, I just offer caution with going too far the other way. I am not saying content filtering is bad or that an eye shouldn't be looked at certain things. My point is that it isn't the only issue that should be brought to light. It upsets me that we are in a world when you jump on me for suggesting that parents be responsible for their own children. I don't think I want to go to far into the age thing, but please do not discriminate against my saying I was younger. I offered that to suggest as teachers get more tech savy and actually "plug" into the same culture as the kids, a lot of these issues will go away. Not all, but teachers will be able to model good behavior. Not going to solve everything, that was just the point I was making. Now about your teacher taken away in handcuffs. I would like to hear more about it. Is it your responsibility as a school to keep the individual out of trouble? I would argue to a point, yes. Where that point is is the question, and invariably will lie in a different place in different situations, as it should. I do not beleive it is laissez faire to say this but schools should be leary of just blocking "stuff." It just reminds me too much of China. Maybe I have read 1984 too much. Actually it stems from all that Lawrence Lessig. By the way, good discussion. I like a little heat on the list. Tim Hart "Young, but know a thing or two." On 1/24/06, Jim Hays wrote: > > You say you are young enough to participate in many of the same tech > activities as the kids. I take that to mean that you haven't had a lot > of experience in the educational world. This "laissez faire" attitude > is real nice until a group of FBI agents and Homeland Security Agents > and State Police show up at the front door and you as the technology > coordinator get pulled into the middle of a "mess". An hour later one > of our most respected teachers was lead away in handcuffs because of > what he was doing online. > > Now that will change your views on content filtering in a hurry. > > > Timothy Hart wrote: > > > > > > > On 1/24/06, *Tom Hoffman* > > wrote: > > > > > > Yes, but doesn't becoming more tech savvy = being able to navigate > > MySpace, etc., oneself? > > > > > > Yes, I agree. > > > > There is nothing either fascist or censorial about reading public > > material on the web. Part of being tech savvy is understanding > that. > > > > > > I am saying that it would be a waste to have someone reading all the > > material looking for people saying mean things and what not. My point > > was as we do become more tech savy this will happen automatically. > > > > The question is whether or not the school has effective methods of > > addressing issues in students lives that aren't strictly punitive > > (advisors, counselors, mentors, therapists, etc.). > > > > > > I agree also to a point. I do have to point out here that the first > > line of responsibility if the parent. It takes a parent, not a village > > to raise a child. The village should support and nuture. I have been > > reading a lot of material that suggests other wise, so I am kind of > > wound up on that fact. > > > > I beleive we are on the same page Tom. 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URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Jan 25 16:53:44 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:53:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22MySpace.com=22_?= or =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22policies_?= for when computer use=?ISO-8859-1?Q? leads_?= to ass In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0601250801l7e3e779dl86e674b7ddf15c24@mail.gmail.com> References: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> < > < > <92de6c880601241125m1e3d0c7eq4b61dab343a29812@mail.gmail.com> < > < > <464c38cc0601241145t52f47176l53070eaa73245982@mail.gmail.com> < > <92de6c880601241155k13a10c1cme0189d22394dafe3@mail.gmail.com> < > <464c38cc0601241210o120bc28fr75995a88dc284db7@mail.gmail.com> < > <43D69FCE.6080904@sages.us> <464c38cc0601250801l7e3e779dl86e674b7ddf15c24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm going to say "yes, but..." Here's why. You mention that as teachers plug into the same culture as the kids do...then these issues will go away. I doubt it...and the reason is that even the most tech savvy teachers (including me) have no desire to troll MySpace.com for whatever reason. In many cases...these activities are adolescent activities primarily done by young people looking to "hook up" or "express themselves". We've all been there, but we're not there anymore. We had our own ways of "hooking up" and so forth that our parents did not know about. The problem now becomes...the criminal element. Their are multitude of pedophiles out there who have now found the Internet to be a GREAT place to hunt their prey. Dateline NBC aired a special recently about how pedophiles use chatrooms and blogs to meet up with children. It was pretty sobering. It's the nature of adolescents to think they're invincible...and back in my teen years...that was dangerous, but primarily only to myself. Now with the instant availablity of information....our teens are in even more danger...not from themselves, but from others...such as pedophiles. Now...you're right...we can't be all things....we cannot b parents to these kids.....but I hav emailed copies of MySpace pages to well meaning parents who simply had no idea...and once they did....they dealt with it. It's unlikely, but my own 7th grade daughter could have a "secret" blog online and I may not know about it. I've talked about it and educated her...etc., but who knows? The other thing to remember is that all of this has mushroomed in a span of the last couple years. That's why I think that it's neccessary for us as tech leaders to begin making parents aware of just what is going on. We're planning a parent night just for this purpose. We plan to show them what is going on...using examples of MySpace.com...etc. and what they can do about it....through educating their child or even monitoring their child. Every teenager will cry "foul" about invading their space, but hey....that's what being a parent is all about. As a parent myself...I feel a little obligated to help my fellow parents out...by protecting them as much as possible at school with reasonable content filtering...and by tipping the parents off to what may be going on that they're not aware of. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wed Jan 25 2006 at 11:01 +0000 wrote: >Look, the only thing I worry about here is going too far with the amount >of responsibilty schools put on themselves to raise children. That is all >I am saying. > >Also please do not automatically peg my being (by my own admission) >young"er" with not being experienced enough to offer an opinion. I am not >saying anything about a "Laissez faire" attitude, I just offer caution >with going too far the other way. I am not saying content filtering is >bad or that an eye shouldn't be looked at certain things. My point is >that it isn't the only issue that should be brought to light. It upsets >me that we are in a world when you jump on me for suggesting that parents >be responsible for their own children. > >I don't think I want to go to far into the age thing, but please do not >discriminate against my saying I was younger. I offered that to suggest >as teachers get more tech savy and actually "plug" into the same culture >as the kids, a lot of these issues will go away. Not all, but teachers >will be able to model good behavior. Not going to solve everything, that >was just the point I was making. > >Now about your teacher taken away in handcuffs. I would like to hear more >about it. Is it your responsibility as a school to keep the individual >out of trouble? I would argue to a point, yes. Where that point is is the >question, and invariably will lie in a different place in different >situations, as it should. I do not beleive it is laissez faire to say >this but schools should be leary of just blocking "stuff." It just >reminds me too much of China. Maybe I have read 1984 too much. Actually >it stems from all that Lawrence Lessig. > >By the way, good discussion. I like a little heat on the list. > >Tim Hart >"Young, but know a thing or two." > >On 1/24/06, Jim Hays <[ mailto:haysja at sages.us ]haysja at sages.us> wrote: > >You say you are young enough to participate in many of the same tech >activities as the kids. I take that to mean that you haven't had a lot >of experience in the educational world. This "laissez faire" attitude >is real nice until a group of FBI agents and Homeland Security Agents >and State Police show up at the front door and you as the technology >coordinator get pulled into the middle of a "mess". An hour later one >of our most respected teachers was lead away in handcuffs because of >what he was doing online. > >Now that will change your views on content filtering in a hurry. > > >Timothy Hart wrote: > >> >> >> On 1/24/06, *Tom Hoffman* <[ mailto:tom.hoffman at gmail.com ] >tom.hoffman at gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >> >> Yes, but doesn't becoming more tech savvy = being able to navigate >> MySpace, etc., oneself? >> >> >> Yes, I agree. >> >> There is nothing either fascist or censorial about reading public >> material on the web. Part of being tech savvy is understanding >that. >> >> >> I am saying that it would be a waste to have someone reading all the >> material looking for people saying mean things and what not. My point >> was as we do become more tech savy this will happen automatically. >> >> The question is whether or not the school has effective methods of >> addressing issues in students lives that aren't strictly punitive >> (advisors, counselors, mentors, therapists, etc.). >> >> >> I agree also to a point. I do have to point out here that the first >> line of responsibility if the parent. It takes a parent, not a village >> to raise a child. The village should support and nuture. I have been >> reading a lot of material that suggests other wise, so I am kind of >> wound up on that fact. >> >> I beleive we are on the same page Tom. I think we are just looking at >> it from different angles. >> >> >> --Tom >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> [ mailto:K12OSN at redhat.com ]K12OSN at redhat.com mailto:K12OSN at redhat.com ] K12OSN at redhat.com> >> [ https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >]https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> <[ https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >]https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see <[ http://www.k12os.org ]http://www.k12os.org> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>[ mailto:K12OSN at redhat.com ]K12OSN at redhat.com >>[ https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >]https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see < [ http://www.k12os.org ]http://www.k12os.org> >> > >-- >-------------------------------------------------------- >Jim Hays, Technology Coordinator >Monticello CUSD#25 >#2 Sage Drive >Monticello, IL 61856 >(217) 762-8511 ext 1208 >[ mailto:haysja at sages.us ]haysja at sages.us >-------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >[ mailto:K12OSN at redhat.com ]K12OSN at redhat.com >[ https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >]https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see <[ http://www.k12os.org ] http://www.k12os.org> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From rmccaa at tiu11.org Wed Jan 25 17:26:24 2006 From: rmccaa at tiu11.org (Bob McCaa) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:26:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network Hardware Monitoring and Tracking (NHTAM) Project In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b0601250631l6e8de4ccn@mail.gmail.com> References: <96df2e0b0601250631l6e8de4ccn@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1138209985.10273.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Our IU recently did a presentation of some of ISafe's curriculum. If anyone is looking to present some information to students about being more careful on the Internet, there is some good content available. http://www.isafe.org/ Thanks Bob On Wed, 2006-01-25 at 14:31 +0000, Jon Spriggs wrote: > Hi all, > > A few months back I wrote about a project I'd started to monitor > servers using Ping. > > I got a bit distracted with work for a few months, but got back into > the saddle last week and committed a few more lines of code into the > CVS, which now provides server pinging and NTP checking. I've bundled > it up and created a .zip and .tar.gz file with all the code in. It's > at https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=148300&package_id=163543&release_id=387193 > and I'd be grateful if someone could check it out. > > If you want to contribute, please let me know your sourceforge ID and > I'll get you CVS access. > > Requirements are: > MySQL (Any version which supports INSERT, UPDATE, SELECT and MD5 - is > that all of them?) > PHP (4.0+) > > Areas which need development are: > > 1) Security > 2) Not all the "Edit" functions work correctly. > 3) Better graphics/themeing > 4) More plugins (e.g. disk space monitoring, SMTP and WWW server checking) > 5) Testing facilities on *nix platforms (development was all done on a > Windows Machine). > 6) Database management (e.g. minimizing space requirements for larger > server farms or allowing extended logging) > 7) Graphing of uptimes and results > 8) Alerting options? > > For those who are more comfortable with Nightly Builds or CVS access, > please see http://nhtam.sf.net for more directions, or reply to this > mail. > > Thanks for your help and interest, and I'm sorry it's taken so long to > get to this point. > > Regards > > Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From timothy.hart at gmail.com Wed Jan 25 17:27:50 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:27:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to ass In-Reply-To: References: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> <92de6c880601241125m1e3d0c7eq4b61dab343a29812@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0601241145t52f47176l53070eaa73245982@mail.gmail.com> <92de6c880601241155k13a10c1cme0189d22394dafe3@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0601241210o120bc28fr75995a88dc284db7@mail.gmail.com> <43D69FCE.6080904@sages.us> <464c38cc0601250801l7e3e779dl86e674b7ddf15c24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <464c38cc0601250927h42a32942j2237d3462db132b6@mail.gmail.com> Dave I couldn't agree more. I don't think teachers plugging into the culture will solve everything. But it will help, as the rest of your email proves. You are aware of these things and are doing things to help the parents out. You are also doing such in a manner which if not punitive as someone else mentioned. You are using "reasonable" (again a moving target) content filtering. You are letting parents know about these things so they can be a better informed parent. All fantastic things. My original argument, as unclear as I may have been, was to not just lock everything down tightly and that be the end of it. I also saw that Dateline. The scary thing was that a bunch of those guys even say the report on TV and still did it. The effort you are putting forth is obviously the way to go here. Parent and child education is the direction to take. I guess I am just pushing the devils advocate view here to make sure we just don't go too far in our censorship and that it is done with all views in mind. On 1/25/06, David Trask wrote: > > I'm going to say "yes, but..." > > Here's why. You mention that as teachers plug into the same culture as > the kids do...then these issues will go away. I doubt it...and the reason > is that even the most tech savvy teachers (including me) have no desire to > troll MySpace.com for whatever reason. In many cases...these activities > are adolescent activities primarily done by young people looking to "hook > up" or "express themselves". We've all been there, but we're not there > anymore. We had our own ways of "hooking up" and so forth that our > parents did not know about. The problem now becomes...the criminal > element. Their are multitude of pedophiles out there who have now found > the Internet to be a GREAT place to hunt their prey. Dateline NBC aired a > special recently about how pedophiles use chatrooms and blogs to meet up > with children. It was pretty sobering. It's the nature of adolescents to > think they're invincible...and back in my teen years...that was dangerous, > but primarily only to myself. Now with the instant availablity of > information....our teens are in even more danger...not from themselves, > but from others...such as pedophiles. Now...you're right...we can't be > all things....we cannot b parents to these kids.....but I hav emailed > copies of MySpace pages to well meaning parents who simply had no > idea...and once they did....they dealt with it. It's unlikely, but my own > 7th grade daughter could have a "secret" blog online and I may not know > about it. I've talked about it and educated her...etc., but who knows? > The other thing to remember is that all of this has mushroomed in a span > of the last couple years. That's why I think that it's neccessary for us > as tech leaders to begin making parents aware of just what is going on. > We're planning a parent night just for this purpose. We plan to show them > what is going on...using examples of MySpace.com...etc. and what they can > do about it....through educating their child or even monitoring their > child. Every teenager will cry "foul" about invading their space, but > hey....that's what being a parent is all about. As a parent myself...I > feel a little obligated to help my fellow parents out...by protecting them > as much as possible at school with reasonable content filtering...and by > tipping the parents off to what may be going on that they're not aware of. > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wed Jan 25 2006 at 11:01 +0000 wrote: > >Look, the only thing I worry about here is going too far with the amount > >of responsibilty schools put on themselves to raise children. That is all > >I am saying. > > > >Also please do not automatically peg my being (by my own admission) > >young"er" with not being experienced enough to offer an opinion. I am not > >saying anything about a "Laissez faire" attitude, I just offer caution > >with going too far the other way. I am not saying content filtering is > >bad or that an eye shouldn't be looked at certain things. My point is > >that it isn't the only issue that should be brought to light. It upsets > >me that we are in a world when you jump on me for suggesting that parents > >be responsible for their own children. > > > >I don't think I want to go to far into the age thing, but please do not > >discriminate against my saying I was younger. I offered that to suggest > >as teachers get more tech savy and actually "plug" into the same culture > >as the kids, a lot of these issues will go away. Not all, but teachers > >will be able to model good behavior. Not going to solve everything, that > >was just the point I was making. > > > >Now about your teacher taken away in handcuffs. I would like to hear more > >about it. Is it your responsibility as a school to keep the individual > >out of trouble? I would argue to a point, yes. Where that point is is the > >question, and invariably will lie in a different place in different > >situations, as it should. I do not beleive it is laissez faire to say > >this but schools should be leary of just blocking "stuff." It just > >reminds me too much of China. Maybe I have read 1984 too much. Actually > >it stems from all that Lawrence Lessig. > > > >By the way, good discussion. I like a little heat on the list. > > > >Tim Hart > >"Young, but know a thing or two." > > > >On 1/24/06, Jim Hays <[ mailto:haysja at sages.us ]haysja at sages.us> wrote: > > > >You say you are young enough to participate in many of the same tech > >activities as the kids. I take that to mean that you haven't had a lot > >of experience in the educational world. This "laissez faire" attitude > >is real nice until a group of FBI agents and Homeland Security Agents > >and State Police show up at the front door and you as the technology > >coordinator get pulled into the middle of a "mess". An hour later one > >of our most respected teachers was lead away in handcuffs because of > >what he was doing online. > > > >Now that will change your views on content filtering in a hurry. > > > > > >Timothy Hart wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On 1/24/06, *Tom Hoffman* <[ mailto:tom.hoffman at gmail.com ] > >tom.hoffman at gmail.com > >> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> Yes, but doesn't becoming more tech savvy = being able to navigate > >> MySpace, etc., oneself? > >> > >> > >> Yes, I agree. > >> > >> There is nothing either fascist or censorial about reading public > >> material on the web. Part of being tech savvy is understanding > >that. > >> > >> > >> I am saying that it would be a waste to have someone reading all the > >> material looking for people saying mean things and what not. My point > >> was as we do become more tech savy this will happen automatically. > >> > >> The question is whether or not the school has effective methods of > >> addressing issues in students lives that aren't strictly punitive > >> (advisors, counselors, mentors, therapists, etc.). > >> > >> > >> I agree also to a point. I do have to point out here that the first > >> line of responsibility if the parent. It takes a parent, not a village > >> to raise a child. The village should support and nuture. I have been > >> reading a lot of material that suggests other wise, so I am kind of > >> wound up on that fact. > >> > >> I beleive we are on the same page Tom. I think we are just looking at > >> it from different angles. > >> > >> > >> --Tom > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> [ mailto:K12OSN at redhat.com ]K12OSN at redhat.com >mailto:K12OSN at redhat.com ] K12OSN at redhat.com> > >> [ https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >]https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> <[ https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >]https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >> For more info see <[ http://www.k12os.org ]http://www.k12os.org> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>[ mailto:K12OSN at redhat.com ]K12OSN at redhat.com > >>[ https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >]https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see < [ http://www.k12os.org ]http://www.k12os.org> > >> > > > >-- > >-------------------------------------------------------- > >Jim Hays, Technology Coordinator > >Monticello CUSD#25 > >#2 Sage Drive > >Monticello, IL 61856 > >(217) 762-8511 ext 1208 > >[ mailto:haysja at sages.us ]haysja at sages.us > >-------------------------------------------------------- > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >[ mailto:K12OSN at redhat.com ]K12OSN at redhat.com > >[ https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >]https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see <[ http://www.k12os.org ] http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Wed Jan 25 17:44:09 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:44:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer useleads to ass In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0601250927h42a32942j2237d3462db132b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200601251822.k0PIMhjm025632@mx1.redhat.com> All, I guess it depends on what you consider censorship also. The Children's Internet Protection Act (http://www.ifea.net/cipa.pdf) gives us guidelines of what should be censored. In that act it also gives school boards and district administration the right to decide what else should be censored in their respective school district beyond what is covered in the CIPA. If you don't want any censorship or don't approve of it, go to your public library. The majority, if not all, of public libraries do not filter at all. Our computers are for educational purposes. They aren't for surfing the web, checking commercial email (hotmail, gmail, aol, etc.), or playing games. That goes for both staff and students in our district. This is something to remember. And me personally, I'd rather be accussed of over censoring than under censoring.... -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 _____ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Timothy Hart Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 12:28 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer useleads to ass Dave I couldn't agree more. I don't think teachers plugging into the culture will solve everything. But it will help, as the rest of your email proves. You are aware of these things and are doing things to help the parents out. You are also doing such in a manner which if not punitive as someone else mentioned. You are using "reasonable" (again a moving target) content filtering. You are letting parents know about these things so they can be a better informed parent. All fantastic things. My original argument, as unclear as I may have been, was to not just lock everything down tightly and that be the end of it. I also saw that Dateline. The scary thing was that a bunch of those guys even say the report on TV and still did it. The effort you are putting forth is obviously the way to go here. Parent and child education is the direction to take. I guess I am just pushing the devils advocate view here to make sure we just don't go too far in our censorship and that it is done with all views in mind. On 1/25/06, David Trask wrote: I'm going to say "yes, but..." Here's why. You mention that as teachers plug into the same culture as the kids do...then these issues will go away. I doubt it...and the reason is that even the most tech savvy teachers (including me) have no desire to troll MySpace.com for whatever reason. In many cases...these activities are adolescent activities primarily done by young people looking to "hook up" or "express themselves". We've all been there, but we're not there anymore. We had our own ways of "hooking up" and so forth that our parents did not know about. The problem now becomes...the criminal element. Their are multitude of pedophiles out there who have now found the Internet to be a GREAT place to hunt their prey. Dateline NBC aired a special recently about how pedophiles use chatrooms and blogs to meet up with children. It was pretty sobering. It's the nature of adolescents to think they're invincible...and back in my teen years...that was dangerous, but primarily only to myself. Now with the instant availablity of information....our teens are in even more danger...not from themselves, but from others...such as pedophiles. Now...you're right...we can't be all things....we cannot b parents to these kids.....but I hav emailed copies of MySpace pages to well meaning parents who simply had no idea...and once they did....they dealt with it. It's unlikely, but my own 7th grade daughter could have a "secret" blog online and I may not know about it. I've talked about it and educated her...etc., but who knows? The other thing to remember is that all of this has mushroomed in a span of the last couple years. That's why I think that it's neccessary for us as tech leaders to begin making parents aware of just what is going on. We're planning a parent night just for this purpose. We plan to show them what is going on...using examples of MySpace.com...etc. and what they can do about it....through educating their child or even monitoring their child. Every teenager will cry "foul" about invading their space, but hey....that's what being a parent is all about. As a parent myself...I feel a little obligated to help my fellow parents out...by protecting them as much as possible at school with reasonable content filtering...and by tipping the parents off to what may be going on that they're not aware of. "Support list for opensource software in schools." < k12osn at redhat.com> on Wed Jan 25 2006 at 11:01 +0000 wrote: >Look, the only thing I worry about here is going too far with the amount >of responsibilty schools put on themselves to raise children. That is all >I am saying. > >Also please do not automatically peg my being (by my own admission) >young"er" with not being experienced enough to offer an opinion. I am not >saying anything about a "Laissez faire" attitude, I just offer caution >with going too far the other way. I am not saying content filtering is >bad or that an eye shouldn't be looked at certain things. My point is >that it isn't the only issue that should be brought to light. It upsets >me that we are in a world when you jump on me for suggesting that parents >be responsible for their own children. > >I don't think I want to go to far into the age thing, but please do not >discriminate against my saying I was younger. I offered that to suggest >as teachers get more tech savy and actually "plug" into the same culture >as the kids, a lot of these issues will go away. Not all, but teachers >will be able to model good behavior. Not going to solve everything, that >was just the point I was making. > >Now about your teacher taken away in handcuffs. I would like to hear more >about it. Is it your responsibility as a school to keep the individual >out of trouble? I would argue to a point, yes. Where that point is is the >question, and invariably will lie in a different place in different >situations, as it should. I do not beleive it is laissez faire to say >this but schools should be leary of just blocking "stuff." It just >reminds me too much of China. Maybe I have read 1984 too much. Actually >it stems from all that Lawrence Lessig. > >By the way, good discussion. I like a little heat on the list. > >Tim Hart >"Young, but know a thing or two." > >On 1/24/06, Jim Hays <[ mailto:haysja at sages.us ]haysja at sages.us> wrote: > >You say you are young enough to participate in many of the same tech >activities as the kids. I take that to mean that you haven't had a lot >of experience in the educational world. This "laissez faire" attitude >is real nice until a group of FBI agents and Homeland Security Agents >and State Police show up at the front door and you as the technology >coordinator get pulled into the middle of a "mess". An hour later one >of our most respected teachers was lead away in handcuffs because of >what he was doing online. > >Now that will change your views on content filtering in a hurry. > > >Timothy Hart wrote: > >> >> >> On 1/24/06, *Tom Hoffman* <[ mailto:tom.hoffman at gmail.com ] >tom.hoffman at gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >> >> Yes, but doesn't becoming more tech savvy = being able to navigate >> MySpace, etc., oneself? >> >> >> Yes, I agree. >> >> There is nothing either fascist or censorial about reading public >> material on the web. Part of being tech savvy is understanding >that. >> >> >> I am saying that it would be a waste to have someone reading all the >> material looking for people saying mean things and what not. My point >> was as we do become more tech savy this will happen automatically. >> >> The question is whether or not the school has effective methods of >> addressing issues in students lives that aren't strictly punitive >> (advisors, counselors, mentors, therapists, etc.). >> >> >> I agree also to a point. I do have to point out here that the first >> line of responsibility if the parent. It takes a parent, not a village >> to raise a child. The village should support and nuture. I have been >> reading a lot of material that suggests other wise, so I am kind of >> wound up on that fact. >> >> I beleive we are on the same page Tom. I think we are just looking at >> it from different angles. >> >> >> --Tom >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> [ mailto:K12OSN at redhat.com ]K12OSN at redhat.com mailto:K12OSN at redhat.com ] K12OSN at redhat.com> >> [ https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >]https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> <[ https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >]https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see <[ http://www.k12os.org ]http://www.k12os.org> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>[ mailto: K12OSN at redhat.com ]K12OSN at redhat.com >>[ https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >]https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see < [ http://www.k12os.org ]http://www.k12os.org> >> > >-- >-------------------------------------------------------- >Jim Hays, Technology Coordinator >Monticello CUSD#25 >#2 Sage Drive >Monticello, IL 61856 >(217) 762-8511 ext 1208 >[ mailto:haysja at sages.us ]haysja@ sages.us >-------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >[ mailto: K12OSN at redhat.com ]K12OSN at redhat.com >[ https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >]https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see <[ http://www.k12os.org ] http://www.k12os.org> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dan_hopson at hotmail.com Wed Jan 25 22:03:05 2006 From: dan_hopson at hotmail.com (Dan Hopson) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 17:03:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] no dhcp on eth1 Message-ID: I just installed a K12LTSP server in my classroom. Eth0 communication between the terminals and the server are fine. However, Eth1, even though activated, cannot connect to the Internet. Our main school server uses DHCP. I can see other Microsoft servers on the network...I just have no Internet communication. Any suggestions? Dan. From les at futuresource.com Wed Jan 25 22:28:39 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:28:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to ass In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0601250927h42a32942j2237d3462db132b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> <92de6c880601241125m1e3d0c7eq4b61dab343a29812@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0601241145t52f47176l53070eaa73245982@mail.gmail.com> <92de6c880601241155k13a10c1cme0189d22394dafe3@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0601241210o120bc28fr75995a88dc284db7@mail.gmail.com> <43D69FCE.6080904@sages.us> <464c38cc0601250801l7e3e779dl86e674b7ddf15c24@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0601250927h42a32942j2237d3462db132b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1138228119.20944.173.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-01-25 at 11:27, Timothy Hart wrote: Err, pardon me, but your subject line is awkwardly truncated... -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From timothy.hart at gmail.com Wed Jan 25 23:42:59 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:42:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to ass In-Reply-To: <1138228119.20944.173.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <00d901c620ef$e3145170$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> <464c38cc0601241145t52f47176l53070eaa73245982@mail.gmail.com> <92de6c880601241155k13a10c1cme0189d22394dafe3@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0601241210o120bc28fr75995a88dc284db7@mail.gmail.com> <43D69FCE.6080904@sages.us> <464c38cc0601250801l7e3e779dl86e674b7ddf15c24@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0601250927h42a32942j2237d3462db132b6@mail.gmail.com> <1138228119.20944.173.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <464c38cc0601251542r275fa38g31cd920f5340c077@mail.gmail.com> I was going to write that but I didn't want to double post. And it seems appropriate since a lot of MySpace is about getting that very thing. On 1/25/06, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-01-25 at 11:27, Timothy Hart wrote: > > Err, pardon me, but your subject line is awkwardly truncated... > > -- > Les Mikesell > lesmikesell at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 03:00:45 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:30:45 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] no dhcp on eth1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <774593a20601251900n5c991eecgf2f848d9cb61a797@mail.gmail.com> On 1/26/06, Dan Hopson wrote: > I just installed a K12LTSP server in my classroom. Eth0 communication > between the terminals and the server are fine. However, Eth1, even though > activated, cannot connect to the Internet. Our main school server uses > DHCP. I can see other Microsoft servers on the network...I just have no > Internet communication. Any suggestions? > Is the gateway settings enabled on your school system? Point to the gateway IP in eth1 settings. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com Thu Jan 26 06:04:02 2006 From: nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com (Nick Fenger) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:04:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to ... In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0601250927h42a32942j2237d3462db132b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060126060402.87460.qmail@web60718.mail.yahoo.com> We are just about to address the myspace thing at our school... My proposal to our staff is to work with this group of "myspace engaged" students who are typically not engaged in anything as opposed to against them. For the record (as it has seemed to matter in past posts), I am a parent first, teacher next (with a full load of math,science and technology classes), an advisor to 20 students and their families and lastly the head of technology. Research shows that 50% of what is learned during adolescence is purely social. This is why our schools and many parents clash with teenagers in the effort to get them to focus on their academics. Neurologically and hormonally they are "wired" socially at this age and some will choose the social route over anything. I know the students at our school who are on myspace constantly and believe me, pulling myspace will not get them to choose academics. They will return to gossiping with each other and find the next "thing" on the web to engage in. Ironically, these students who are typically "disengaged" are currently engaged in reading and writing on myspace. The approach I intend to put up for a vote at our next staff meeting is to target the group of "myspacers" at our school and give them what they need, an education that is social and comes through the medium that engages them. I plan to Include media education, the nature of deceit and lies of myspace users and our media, etc... To give them an outlet for their chatting: I have already had a tech student of mine create an internal forums site using http://www.phpbb.com/ (very easy for this 10th grader to set up) to allow student to read posts and write posts "inside the firewall." I am working with the language arts teachers to help our students make their posts to each other more grammatically correct. My plan is to trust them but still watch their behavior. This approach has worked before when taught my students who played games all day to program games. Ultimately, if students are continuing to use illegal sites, they will be referred to the discipline system used for any other "broken" school rules which leads to parent conferences which result in parents being educated about our policies and the reasons for them and hopefully re-teaching their children. I do expect this plan to work mostly due to the success of interactive fiction at our school and books I have read by Neil Postman about media (He connects his work with Marshall McLuhan?s famous aphorism, ?the medium is the message.?) http://www.aber.ac.uk/media/Students/jog9901.html I do like David's idea of a parent night to teach about the site - I may propose that too but that does cut into my time with my son ;) Nick Fenger Trillium Charter School Portland, OR P.S. If you want to know what I did with all my students who wanted to play games all day check out www.alanif.se - I have 6th graders reading the manual and programming interactive fiction for hours and listening to me when I ask them not to play games. Timothy Hart wrote: Dave I couldn't agree more. I don't think teachers plugging into the culture will solve everything. But it will help, as the rest of your email proves. You are aware of these things and are doing things to help the parents out. You are also doing such in a manner which if not punitive as someone else mentioned. You are using "reasonable" (again a moving target) content filtering. You are letting parents know about these things so they can be a better informed parent. All fantastic things. My original argument, as unclear as I may have been, was to not just lock everything down tightly and that be the end of it. I also saw that Dateline. The scary thing was that a bunch of those guys even say the report on TV and still did it. The effort you are putting forth is obviously the way to go here. Parent and child education is the direction to take. I guess I am just pushing the devils advocate view here to make sure we just don't go too far in our censorship and that it is done with all views in mind. On 1/25/06, David Trask wrote: I'm going to say "yes, but..." Here's why. You mention that as teachers plug into the same culture as the kids do...then these issues will go away. I doubt it...and the reason is that even the most tech savvy teachers (including me) have no desire to troll MySpace.com for whatever reason. In many cases...these activities are adolescent activities primarily done by young people looking to "hook up" or "express themselves". We've all been there, but we're not there anymore. We had our own ways of "hooking up" and so forth that our parents did not know about. The problem now becomes...the criminal element. Their are multitude of pedophiles out there who have now found the Internet to be a GREAT place to hunt their prey. Dateline NBC aired a special recently about how pedophiles use chatrooms and blogs to meet up with children. It was pretty sobering. It's the nature of adolescents to think they're invincible...and back in my teen years...that was dangerous, but primarily only to myself. Now with the instant availablity of information....our teens are in even more danger...not from themselves, but from others...such as pedophiles. Now...you're right...we can't be all things....we cannot b parents to these kids.....but I hav emailed copies of MySpace pages to well meaning parents who simply had no idea...and once they did....they dealt with it. It's unlikely, but my own 7th grade daughter could have a "secret" blog online and I may not know about it. I've talked about it and educated her...etc., but who knows? The other thing to remember is that all of this has mushroomed in a span of the last couple years. That's why I think that it's neccessary for us as tech leaders to begin making parents aware of just what is going on. We're planning a parent night just for this purpose. We plan to show them what is going on...using examples of MySpace.com...etc. and what they can do about it....through educating their child or even monitoring their child. Every teenager will cry "foul" about invading their space, but hey....that's what being a parent is all about. As a parent myself...I feel a little obligated to help my fellow parents out...by protecting them as much as possible at school with reasonable content filtering...and by tipping the parents off to what may be going on that they're not aware of. "Support list for opensource software in schools." < k12osn at redhat.com> on Wed Jan 25 2006 at 11:01 +0000 wrote: >Look, the only thing I worry about here is going too far with the amount >of responsibilty schools put on themselves to raise children. That is all >I am saying. > >Also please do not automatically peg my being (by my own admission) >young"er" with not being experienced enough to offer an opinion. I am not >saying anything about a "Laissez faire" attitude, I just offer caution >with going too far the other way. I am not saying content filtering is >bad or that an eye shouldn't be looked at certain things. My point is >that it isn't the only issue that should be brought to light. It upsets >me that we are in a world when you jump on me for suggesting that parents >be responsible for their own children. > >I don't think I want to go to far into the age thing, but please do not >discriminate against my saying I was younger. I offered that to suggest >as teachers get more tech savy and actually "plug" into the same culture >as the kids, a lot of these issues will go away. Not all, but teachers >will be able to model good behavior. Not going to solve everything, that >was just the point I was making. > >Now about your teacher taken away in handcuffs. I would like to hear more >about it. Is it your responsibility as a school to keep the individual >out of trouble? I would argue to a point, yes. Where that point is is the >question, and invariably will lie in a different place in different >situations, as it should. I do not beleive it is laissez faire to say >this but schools should be leary of just blocking "stuff." It just >reminds me too much of China. Maybe I have read 1984 too much. Actually >it stems from all that Lawrence Lessig. > >By the way, good discussion. I like a little heat on the list. > >Tim Hart >"Young, but know a thing or two." > >On 1/24/06, Jim Hays <[ mailto:haysja at sages.us ]haysja at sages.us> wrote: > >You say you are young enough to participate in many of the same tech >activities as the kids. I take that to mean that you haven't had a lot >of experience in the educational world. This "laissez faire" attitude >is real nice until a group of FBI agents and Homeland Security Agents >and State Police show up at the front door and you as the technology >coordinator get pulled into the middle of a "mess". An hour later one >of our most respected teachers was lead away in handcuffs because of >what he was doing online. > >Now that will change your views on content filtering in a hurry. > > >Timothy Hart wrote: > >> >> >> On 1/24/06, *Tom Hoffman* <[ mailto:tom.hoffman at gmail.com ] >tom.hoffman at gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >> >> Yes, but doesn't becoming more tech savvy = being able to navigate >> MySpace, etc., oneself? >> >> >> Yes, I agree. >> >> There is nothing either fascist or censorial about reading public >> material on the web. Part of being tech savvy is understanding >that. >> >> >> I am saying that it would be a waste to have someone reading all the >> material looking for people saying mean things and what not. My point >> was as we do become more tech savy this will happen automatically. >> >> The question is whether or not the school has effective methods of >> addressing issues in students lives that aren't strictly punitive >> (advisors, counselors, mentors, therapists, etc.). >> >> >> I agree also to a point. I do have to point out here that the first >> line of responsibility if the parent. It takes a parent, not a village >> to raise a child. The village should support and nuture. I have been >> reading a lot of material that suggests other wise, so I am kind of >> wound up on that fact. >> >> I beleive we are on the same page Tom. I think we are just looking at >> it from different angles. >> >> >> --Tom >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> [ mailto:K12OSN at redhat.com ]K12OSN at redhat.com mailto:K12OSN at redhat.com ] K12OSN at redhat.com> >> [ https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >]https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> <[ https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >]https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see <[ http://www.k12os.org ]http://www.k12os.org> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>[ mailto: K12OSN at redhat.com ]K12OSN at redhat.com >>[ https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >]https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see < [ http://www.k12os.org ]http://www.k12os.org> >> > >-- >-------------------------------------------------------- >Jim Hays, Technology Coordinator >Monticello CUSD#25 >#2 Sage Drive >Monticello, IL 61856 >(217) 762-8511 ext 1208 >[ mailto:haysja at sages.us ]haysja@ sages.us >-------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >[ mailto: K12OSN at redhat.com ]K12OSN at redhat.com >[ https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >]https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see <[ http://www.k12os.org ] http://www.k12os.org> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> David N. 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URL: From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Jan 26 12:31:38 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:31:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] no dhcp on eth1 In-Reply-To: <774593a20601251900n5c991eecgf2f848d9cb61a797@mail.gmail.com> References: <774593a20601251900n5c991eecgf2f848d9cb61a797@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47273.70.33.151.214.1138278698.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> and be sure it is not a dns prob..try an ip addy ...add in your dns info.. > On 1/26/06, Dan Hopson wrote: >> I just installed a K12LTSP server in my classroom. Eth0 communication >> between the terminals and the server are fine. However, Eth1, even >> though >> activated, cannot connect to the Internet. Our main school server uses >> DHCP. I can see other Microsoft servers on the network...I just have no >> Internet communication. Any suggestions? >> > > Is the gateway settings enabled on your school system? Point to the > gateway IP in eth1 settings. > > HTH > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Thu Jan 26 13:21:48 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:21:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Visudo Sudoers Message-ID: <1138281708.7848.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, We are editing the Sudoers file via visudo to allow certain techs to not have to be prompted for a password and to accomplish root specific configurations without having to be root. We edited the sudoers file and it doesn't seem to be working for us. This is an example of what our sudoers file looks like after we modified it: # /etc/sudoers # # This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root. # # See the man page for details on how to write a sudoers file. # # Host alias specification # User alias specification # Cmnd alias specification # Defaults Defaults !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn # User privilege specification root ALL=(ALL) ALL paul ALL=NOPASSWD:ALL # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL As you can see in the example above we added the user paul and configured it to not prompt for a password. Can anyone see what the problem we're running into might be? Thanks in advance. -Paul PS - Yes, I know it's not recommended to do this. -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5452 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Jan 26 17:41:03 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:41:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Writing Math Equations Message-ID: I have a teacher who wants to be able to write math equations that set up properly...just like in a textbook...in other words fractions show up as one number over another number instead of using forward or back slashes. Anyone know of a way to accomplish this? Font, program...web site? She's using Mac OS X, but we're open to anything. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jan 26 17:41:42 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:41:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Writing Math Equations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D909D6.7040408@paasda.org> Latex David Trask wrote: > I have a teacher who wants to be able to write math equations that set up > properly...just like in a textbook...in other words fractions show up as > one number over another number instead of using forward or back slashes. > Anyone know of a way to accomplish this? Font, program...web site? She's > using Mac OS X, but we're open to anything. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jan 26 17:44:50 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:44:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Writing Math Equations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D90A92.7000705@paasda.org> Here a little more specific http://www.latex-project.org/intro.html --Huck David Trask wrote: > I have a teacher who wants to be able to write math equations that set up > properly...just like in a textbook...in other words fractions show up as > one number over another number instead of using forward or back slashes. > Anyone know of a way to accomplish this? Font, program...web site? She's > using Mac OS X, but we're open to anything. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Thu Jan 26 18:14:28 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:14:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Writing Math Equations In-Reply-To: <43D909D6.7040408@paasda.org> References: <43D909D6.7040408@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20060126131428.166836e5@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:41:42 -0800 Huck wrote: > Latex > > > David Trask wrote: > > I have a teacher who wants to be able to write math equations that > > set up properly...just like in a textbook...in other words fractions > > show up as one number over another number instead of using forward > > or back slashes. Anyone know of a way to accomplish this? Font, > > program...web site? She's using Mac OS X, but we're open to > > anything. > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Director > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > > (207)923-3100 > > > > Latex is ideal, but probably not exactly "user friendly". Depending on your user of course. What you end up using is really based on what you need as a final product. If your talking about just righting up the occasional test, then OpenOffice and the Equation editor will do just fine. (I understand that AbiWord also has plug-in, but not familiar with it) In OpenOffice, just go to "Insert - Object - Formula" Now if you are writing a book, the benefits of Latex would out weigh the time it takes to learn. If you want something for a website, well that might be a bit harder. You can do a kind of "Latex to PostScript to GIF file" kind of conversion, or some other crazy thing to get the math stuff into a graphics file. There is also MathML (http://www.w3.org/Math/), but I am not at all familiar with it, and not all browser's can handle it by default. Being primarily a math teacher, I have looked into this 100 times over the years. I tend towards using OpenOffice most of the time. But due to necessary, I have found myself slowly learning Latex. -- ***************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Thu Jan 26 18:23:39 2006 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:23:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Writing Math Equations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43D913AB.6090508@physics.isu.edu> I support a Math Dept here we have a very heterogeneous environment, (windows, Macs,and Linux) I hate to recommend proprietary solutions, but in this area they are the easiest to get going that I've found of a non-technical user. I have yet to find a good solution I've had time to train people on and implement, so this is more of a laundry list of apps. These are all opinions, and I've love to be corrected or start some debate... MS Word has an equation editor.. (Insert... Object... Equation) I don't think I've tried it on OS X version of MS Word, but I'm guessing it is there. Big downside is OpenOffice doesn't do the best job opening these docs with equations correctly on Linux. Some of my users prefer MathType. It is a Word add on, and I'm not sure if there is a Mac version. I don't recommend it because the word documents it creates can't be read without the recipient having MathType sometimes, so I discourage it. I just use it to make gifs for the web. OpenOffice (all platforms)or NeoOffice on Mac also have a equation editor with the ability to save as MathML (File.. New.. Formula OR Insert... Object.. formula) One downside is that it can't import or export as word equation objects. (I don't think, OpenOffice 2 might help this.) Plus on a Mac performance is poor for OpenOffice or NeoOffice, doesn't give a good impression. Other options include... (big learning curve, but worth it) LaTeX: already mentioned, many variants, editors, etc. We use MikTeX on windows and somewhere I have a start of an evaluation of various Mac options if you want it I can dig it up. There are also commercial programs that have a WYSIWYG editor that produce LaTex, but they tend to be expensive. Scientific Word is one I can think of off the top of my head. Advantages of LaTeX include being cross platform, portable, easy to convert and use other open formats such as PDF and postscript, extremely extensible, and typesetter quality output. This is what most serious mathematicians people use for their thesis or writing books, and many do their own typesetting. Also: MathML I'm sure there are more programs and good web pages out there too. Sorry for writing a book, but I hope this helps, Ben Side note... One cool tutorial site written by a former professor from here: Unfortunately, it only currently only work in IE with a Math Player plugin (Ewwww!), but she has seen the light, but it will require her having to learn to code everything in XHTML, MathML and SVG. (There is that steep learning curve again) More info here... http://onemathematicalcat.com/Math/Geometry_obj/no_other_browsers.htm David Trask wrote: >I have a teacher who wants to be able to write math equations that set up >properly...just like in a textbook...in other words fractions show up as >one number over another number instead of using forward or back slashes. >Anyone know of a way to accomplish this? Font, program...web site? She's >using Mac OS X, but we're open to anything. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Director >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From gumprechtm at msad3.org Thu Jan 26 18:22:59 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:22:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Writing Math Equations In-Reply-To: <20060126131428.166836e5@localhost.localdomain> References: <43D909D6.7040408@paasda.org> <20060126131428.166836e5@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43D91383.9000007@msad3.org> Doesn't staroffice8/OO2 math handle that? Mark Gentgeen wrote: >On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:41:42 -0800 >Huck wrote: > > > >>Latex >> >> >>David Trask wrote: >> >> >>>I have a teacher who wants to be able to write math equations that >>>set up properly...just like in a textbook...in other words fractions >>>show up as one number over another number instead of using forward >>>or back slashes. Anyone know of a way to accomplish this? Font, >>>program...web site? She's using Mac OS X, but we're open to >>>anything. >>> >>>David N. Trask >>>Technology Teacher/Director >>>Vassalboro Community School >>>dtrask at vcsvikings.org >>>(207)923-3100 >>> >>> >>> >>> > > >Latex is ideal, but probably not exactly "user friendly". Depending on >your user of course. > >What you end up using is really based on what you need as a final >product. If your talking about just righting up the occasional test, >then OpenOffice and the Equation editor will do just fine. (I >understand that AbiWord also has plug-in, but not familiar with it) In >OpenOffice, just go to "Insert - Object - Formula" > >Now if you are writing a book, the benefits of Latex would out weigh the >time it takes to learn. > >If you want something for a website, well that might be a bit harder. >You can do a kind of "Latex to PostScript to GIF file" kind of >conversion, or some other crazy thing to get the math stuff into a >graphics file. There is also MathML (http://www.w3.org/Math/), but I am >not at all familiar with it, and not all browser's can handle it by >default. > >Being primarily a math teacher, I have looked into this 100 times over >the years. I tend towards using OpenOffice most of the time. But due >to necessary, I have found myself slowly learning Latex. > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Thu Jan 26 18:04:07 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:04:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Writing Math Equations In-Reply-To: <43D90A92.7000705@paasda.org> Message-ID: <200601261844.k0QIiHJm029152@mx1.redhat.com> Dave, I know what the problem is...you have a Mac (sorry Mac people)....... -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Huck Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 12:45 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Writing Math Equations Here a little more specific http://www.latex-project.org/intro.html --Huck David Trask wrote: > I have a teacher who wants to be able to write math equations that set > up properly...just like in a textbook...in other words fractions show > up as one number over another number instead of using forward or back slashes. > Anyone know of a way to accomplish this? Font, program...web site? > She's using Mac OS X, but we're open to anything. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From rmccaa at tiu11.org Thu Jan 26 18:44:17 2006 From: rmccaa at tiu11.org (Bob McCaa) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:44:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Writing Math Equations In-Reply-To: <20060126131428.166836e5@localhost.localdomain> References: <43D909D6.7040408@paasda.org> <20060126131428.166836e5@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1138301057.11590.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Can you run Open Office.org2 on OsX? If so what about OO2's Math? On Thu, 2006-01-26 at 13:14 -0500, Gentgeen wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:41:42 -0800 > Huck wrote: > > > Latex > > > > > > David Trask wrote: > > > I have a teacher who wants to be able to write math equations that > > > set up properly...just like in a textbook...in other words fractions > > > show up as one number over another number instead of using forward > > > or back slashes. Anyone know of a way to accomplish this? Font, > > > program...web site? She's using Mac OS X, but we're open to > > > anything. > > > > > > David N. Trask > > > Technology Teacher/Director > > > Vassalboro Community School > > > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > > > (207)923-3100 > > > > > > > > > Latex is ideal, but probably not exactly "user friendly". Depending on > your user of course. > > What you end up using is really based on what you need as a final > product. If your talking about just righting up the occasional test, > then OpenOffice and the Equation editor will do just fine. (I > understand that AbiWord also has plug-in, but not familiar with it) In > OpenOffice, just go to "Insert - Object - Formula" > > Now if you are writing a book, the benefits of Latex would out weigh the > time it takes to learn. > > If you want something for a website, well that might be a bit harder. > You can do a kind of "Latex to PostScript to GIF file" kind of > conversion, or some other crazy thing to get the math stuff into a > graphics file. There is also MathML (http://www.w3.org/Math/), but I am > not at all familiar with it, and not all browser's can handle it by > default. > > Being primarily a math teacher, I have looked into this 100 times over > the years. I tend towards using OpenOffice most of the time. But due > to necessary, I have found myself slowly learning Latex. > From ericbrow at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 19:06:48 2006 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:06:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Writing Math Equations In-Reply-To: <1138301057.11590.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43D909D6.7040408@paasda.org> <20060126131428.166836e5@localhost.localdomain> <1138301057.11590.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I'm a math teacher, and I've tried a number of products. Both MathType and OpenOffice's Math products work very very well, but they're tedius if you have a bunch of equations to enter. I REALLY like Scientific Notebook (http://www.mackichan.com/index.html?products/snb.html~mainFrame). It's not quite as tedius as the other two. It doesn't make as nicely formatted documents as Word or Write, but it will do the math for you like solve, simplify, or graph. It's the math functions that make this a very cool product. You can graph in 2-d, 3-d, polar, parametric, implicit. It will solve exactly, give decimal approximations, simplify. It does algebra, statistics, calculus, differential equations. My first year of teaching, I got to teach a calculus class that had no teacher's manual. I made most of my tests on Scientific Notebook to save time. When I'm teaching the solving of simultaneous systems of equations, I use it to quickly create graphs of the systems. The other biggest downside is the price. Manufacturer's price is $150 for academic pricing. I bought mine back in 95 and it still works great for me. Mind you, I don't know if any of these work on mac. I tend to avoid them. Eric On 1/26/06, Bob McCaa wrote: > Can you run Open Office.org2 on OsX? > > If so what about OO2's Math? > > > On Thu, 2006-01-26 at 13:14 -0500, Gentgeen wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:41:42 -0800 > > Huck wrote: > > > > > Latex > > > > > > > > > David Trask wrote: > > > > I have a teacher who wants to be able to write math equations that > > > > set up properly...just like in a textbook...in other words fractions > > > > show up as one number over another number instead of using forward > > > > or back slashes. Anyone know of a way to accomplish this? Font, > > > > program...web site? She's using Mac OS X, but we're open to > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > David N. Trask > > > > Technology Teacher/Director > > > > Vassalboro Community School > > > > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > > > > (207)923-3100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Latex is ideal, but probably not exactly "user friendly". Depending on > > your user of course. > > > > What you end up using is really based on what you need as a final > > product. If your talking about just righting up the occasional test, > > then OpenOffice and the Equation editor will do just fine. (I > > understand that AbiWord also has plug-in, but not familiar with it) In > > OpenOffice, just go to "Insert - Object - Formula" > > > > Now if you are writing a book, the benefits of Latex would out weigh the > > time it takes to learn. > > > > If you want something for a website, well that might be a bit harder. > > You can do a kind of "Latex to PostScript to GIF file" kind of > > conversion, or some other crazy thing to get the math stuff into a > > graphics file. There is also MathML (http://www.w3.org/Math/), but I am > > not at all familiar with it, and not all browser's can handle it by > > default. > > > > Being primarily a math teacher, I have looked into this 100 times over > > the years. I tend towards using OpenOffice most of the time. But due > > to necessary, I have found myself slowly learning Latex. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jan 26 19:18:34 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:18:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Writing Math Equations In-Reply-To: <43D913AB.6090508@physics.isu.edu> References: <43D913AB.6090508@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <20060126191600.M61015@winonacotter.org> > MS Word has an equation editor.. (Insert... Object... Equation) I > don't think I've tried it on OS X version of MS Word, but I'm > guessing it is there. Big downside is OpenOffice doesn't do the > best job opening these docs with equations correctly on Linux. It is available in the Mac version. I don't believe it is a default component however. I think you need to do a custom install and choose to install the equation editor component. I have a couple teachers here who use it and say that the OOo.org formulas and a couple of other open source solutions I showed them don't hold a candle to the word version. I don't know enough about it to argue them or to find an equivalant solution. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Jan 26 19:38:16 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:38:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Writing Math Equations In-Reply-To: <200601261844.k0QIiHJm029152@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200601261844.k0QIiHJm029152@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: Actually "I" have Ubuntu (as well as a Mac, Windows...etc....but prefer Ubuntu)....that being said...Macs do happen to rock. I've often told folks that if I wasn't a Linux geek and I only had just enough money to buy one computer and that was it....I'd buy a Mac with OS X. But...since I am a LInux geek and have enough money to buy more than one....I chose a kick-ass laptop and run Ubuntu on it. Ubuntu is the only distro I could get everything to work on my laptop. Breezy is even betteroary was...can't wait to see what Dapper brings. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, January 26, 2006 at 1:04 PM +0000 wrote: >Dave, > >I know what the problem is...you have a Mac (sorry Mac people)....... > >-Paul David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Jan 26 19:38:16 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:38:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Writing Math Equations In-Reply-To: <200601261844.k0QIiHJm029152@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200601261844.k0QIiHJm029152@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: Actually "I" have Ubuntu (as well as a Mac, Windows...etc....but prefer Ubuntu)....that being said...Macs do happen to rock. I've often told folks that if I wasn't a Linux geek and I only had just enough money to buy one computer and that was it....I'd buy a Mac with OS X. But...since I am a LInux geek and have enough money to buy more than one....I chose a kick-ass laptop and run Ubuntu on it. Ubuntu is the only distro I could get everything to work on my laptop. Breezy is even betteroary was...can't wait to see what Dapper brings. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, January 26, 2006 at 1:04 PM +0000 wrote: >Dave, > >I know what the problem is...you have a Mac (sorry Mac people)....... > >-Paul David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Thu Jan 26 19:37:18 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:37:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Writing Math Equations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200601261948.k0QJmeVg004822@mx3.redhat.com> Dave, It depends on which OS X you are talking about. OS X 10.2 has Samba issues as does OS X 10.4. The only decent version of OS X I have seen is OS X 10.3....If they told me I only had enough money to buy one computer (a Mac or a Windows box) I'd save that money for some bubble gum when I went to the convenient store next. ;) I am pysched about Ubuntu Dapper. Especially the LTSP integration.. Have you heard anymore about that Dave? -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:38 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Writing Math Equations Actually "I" have Ubuntu (as well as a Mac, Windows...etc....but prefer Ubuntu)....that being said...Macs do happen to rock. I've often told folks that if I wasn't a Linux geek and I only had just enough money to buy one computer and that was it....I'd buy a Mac with OS X. But...since I am a LInux geek and have enough money to buy more than one....I chose a kick-ass laptop and run Ubuntu on it. Ubuntu is the only distro I could get everything to work on my laptop. Breezy is even betteroary was...can't wait to see what Dapper brings. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, January 26, 2006 at 1:04 PM +0000 wrote: >Dave, > >I know what the problem is...you have a Mac (sorry Mac people)....... > >-Paul David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Thu Jan 26 19:12:37 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:12:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Writing Math Equations In-Reply-To: <1138301057.11590.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200601261948.k0QJmeVh004822@mx3.redhat.com> All, For Macs try NeoOffice. In short, it's OpenOffice.org for Macs. Here's the link http://www.neooffice.org/ -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob McCaa Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:44 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Writing Math Equations Can you run Open Office.org2 on OsX? If so what about OO2's Math? On Thu, 2006-01-26 at 13:14 -0500, Gentgeen wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:41:42 -0800 > Huck wrote: > > > Latex > > > > > > David Trask wrote: > > > I have a teacher who wants to be able to write math equations that > > > set up properly...just like in a textbook...in other words > > > fractions show up as one number over another number instead of > > > using forward or back slashes. Anyone know of a way to accomplish > > > this? Font, program...web site? She's using Mac OS X, but we're > > > open to anything. > > > > > > David N. Trask > > > Technology Teacher/Director > > > Vassalboro Community School > > > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > > > (207)923-3100 > > > > > > > > > Latex is ideal, but probably not exactly "user friendly". Depending on > your user of course. > > What you end up using is really based on what you need as a final > product. If your talking about just righting up the occasional test, > then OpenOffice and the Equation editor will do just fine. (I > understand that AbiWord also has plug-in, but not familiar with it) In > OpenOffice, just go to "Insert - Object - Formula" > > Now if you are writing a book, the benefits of Latex would out weigh > the time it takes to learn. > > If you want something for a website, well that might be a bit harder. > You can do a kind of "Latex to PostScript to GIF file" kind of > conversion, or some other crazy thing to get the math stuff into a > graphics file. There is also MathML (http://www.w3.org/Math/), but I > am not at all familiar with it, and not all browser's can handle it by > default. > > Being primarily a math teacher, I have looked into this 100 times over > the years. I tend towards using OpenOffice most of the time. But due > to necessary, I have found myself slowly learning Latex. > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Thu Jan 26 19:54:16 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:54:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Visudo Sudoers again Message-ID: <200601262026.k0QKQibC002039@mx1.redhat.com> All, No one has any idea about my sudoers issue?.... -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jan 26 20:57:38 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:57:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Visudo Sudoers In-Reply-To: <1138281708.7848.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1138281708.7848.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060126204914.M81891@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:21:48 -0500, Paul VanGundy wrote > All, > > We are editing the Sudoers file via visudo to allow certain techs to > not have to be prompted for a password and to accomplish root > specific configurations without having to be root. > > We edited the sudoers file and it doesn't seem to be working for us. > This is an example of what our sudoers file looks like after we modified > it: > > # /etc/sudoers > # > # This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root. > # > # See the man page for details on how to write a sudoers file. > # > > # Host alias specification > > # User alias specification > > # Cmnd alias specification > > # Defaults > > Defaults !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn > > # User privilege specification > root ALL=(ALL) ALL > paul ALL=NOPASSWD:ALL > # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges > %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL > > As you can see in the example above we added the user paul and > configured it to not prompt for a password. Can anyone see what the > problem we're running into might be? Thanks in advance. Well, I have never used this before, but since I am running Ubuntu I thought I would try it since there doesn't seem to be much help. I set mine up just like yours but with my username using visudo. I thought it a little odd to save as /etc/sudoers.tmp but I did anyway, and was surprised to see that it turning it into a /etc/sudoers file. Mine worked perfectly. So now I will speculate at what may be your problem. First, I hate to say it, but does the username match. Next if you want to do this for a group of users you could create a user alias and list all users under this, might make it cleaner. I tried both ways, worked fine for me still. So now I am wondering about the Defaults section. I see the !fqdn and assume this means that you have to log in from a fully qualified domain name to pass access. I am thinking if you are logging in from another machine this may give you trouble, so now I am asking if you are performing all tests on this box or if you have ssh'd in from another? Also I don't know if syntax is a problem in this file or not, I see your text above does not have spaces after ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL as is is presented in the example sudoers file. I tried taking the spaces out of mine but it seams to work. Maybe you have trailing spaces and that is making it not work (some config files can be messed up by trailing whitespace). Does that help? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From smooge at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 20:58:30 2006 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:58:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Visudo Sudoers again In-Reply-To: <200601262026.k0QKQibC002039@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200601262026.k0QKQibC002039@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <80d7e4090601261258l54763e23o5ad63ca94a8f8d2d@mail.gmail.com> On 1/26/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > All, > > No one has any idea about my sudoers issue?.... > > -Paul I do not recommend no passwd except in very controlled environments (eg not schools :)). But shouldnt paul ALL=NOPASSWD:ALL be paul ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Stephen J Smoogen. CSIRT/Linux System Administrator From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Thu Jan 26 21:02:42 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:02:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] accelerated reader /math works on K12LTSP-FC3 Message-ID: <42311.172.28.8.55.1138309362.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello List, I m sure there are others in the same boat as we are here at this school Using older school software can be the pits... I was able to get the newer version of Accerated Reader working fine,as well as Accelerated Math/Star Math, Star Reader after lots of tweeking, Dont want to make a long story here,,but if anyone is interested on the "howto" to do this post here and ill give more details when my mind is refreshed!!:).. Youll need CrossOver Office to makle it happen.. Hope this helps someone,, Barry CIsna From Rick.Schindler at stmary-cs.org Thu Jan 26 21:54:42 2006 From: Rick.Schindler at stmary-cs.org (Rick Schindler) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:54:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] accelerated reader /math works on K12LTSP-FC3 Message-ID: I am interested. When you have the time... >>> cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us 01/26/06 01:02PM >>> Hello List, I m sure there are others in the same boat as we are here at this school Using older school software can be the pits... I was able to get the newer version of Accerated Reader working fine,as well as Accelerated Math/Star Math, Star Reader after lots of tweeking, Dont want to make a long story here,,but if anyone is interested on the "howto" to do this post here and ill give more details when my mind is refreshed!!:).. Youll need CrossOver Office to makle it happen.. Hope this helps someone,, Barry CIsna _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Jan 26 22:00:19 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:00:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] accelerated reader /math works on K12LTSP-FC3 Message-ID: <20060126150019.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.15c2226864.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> I take it that these are the older versions not Renaissance Place. We are going to be getting RP next week and have to load it on a Win2003 server with IIS. I am sure that the LTSP clients can access it via a browser. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] accelerated reader /math works on K12LTSP-FC3 > From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us > Date: Thu, January 26, 2006 3:02 pm > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Hello List, > > I m sure there are others in the same boat as we are here at this school > Using older school software can be the pits... > I was able to get the newer version of Accerated Reader working fine,as > well as Accelerated Math/Star Math, Star Reader after lots of tweeking, > Dont want to make a long story here,,but if anyone is interested on the > "howto" to do this post here and ill give more details when my mind is > refreshed!!:).. > Youll need CrossOver Office to makle it happen.. > Hope this helps someone,, > > Barry CIsna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mthostenson at ci.owatonna.mn.us Thu Jan 26 22:26:42 2006 From: mthostenson at ci.owatonna.mn.us (Mike Thostenson) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:26:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] A little K12LTSP Firefox Kiosk HOWTO Message-ID: <1B0FBB437B30CF4A8FEAAC0AC608ECF562A9E8@exchange1.owatonna.local> I have written a few custom PHP/MySQL apps that required a locked down kiosk for patrons at the front desk so that they can sign in and out by themselves. I did not want the user to be able to easily close the web browser or see any toolbars including the address bar. I thought I would write a few of these notes from this project down to help me remember what I did and then also save someone else the hassle of battling this in the future. Hardware: 1 - Dell PowerEdge SC430 3.0Ghz EMT64 1GB RAM SATA HDD 2 - Wyse S50 Terminals 2 - Wyse VESA Monitor Mounts (wrap the mount onto the stem of the dell LCD base then clip the S50 to it...the pressure holds it to the stem perfectly) 2 - Dell E156FP Flat Panel LCD Monitors Software: K12LTSP-4.2.3EL x86_64 Stock Mozilla Firefox 1.5 from mozilla.com R-kiosk 0.2 Firefox Extension written by Kimmo Heinaaro Some Notes: I won't go into detail about everything that was done due to the lack of time, but the following info should give the average linux dude a good idea of what to do (if they would like to use my method). I started by installing and setting up k12ltsp and creating some user accounts that automatically login. You will need to edit the following files to make this happen: /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf (to get gdm to work in kiosk mode) **hints: AutomaticLoginEnable=false AutomaticLogin=/usr/bin/autologin.sh| TimedLoginEnable=true TimedLogin=/usr/bin/autologin.sh| TimedLoginDelay=0 ***end hints (lots more...just short on time) /etc/dhcpd.conf (to get ip address based on mac address) /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp.conf (configure drivers and hw settings for a specific node) /etc/hosts (to insure ip address assigned matches host name) Once you have k12ltsp logging in automatically you will want to set your default window manager to IceWM.desktop and disable Gnome and KDE. (I won't get into that here) Tell IceWM not to start Nautilus (resource hog): ICEWM_USE_SESSION=YES ICEWM_USE_NAUTILUS=NO Edit /usr/share/icewm/preferences and disable your taskbar, logout prompting, and anything else you desire. You should now have IceWM being automatically logged in with just a bare desktop...nothing else. Next, we will setup firefox Download the stock firefox 1.5, untar and unzip it. Put this in a users home directory just as /home/john/firefox Run firefox/firefox and install the R-Kiosk 2 Extension as that user Setup firefox the exact way you want it locking things down by doing: cd greprefs create a file called mozilla.cfg.txt with the following inside it: // try { lockPref("network.proxy.http", "192.168.10.1"); lockPref("network.proxy.http_port", 8080); lockPref("network.proxy.type", 1); lockPref("network.proxy.no_proxies_on", "localhost, 127.0.0.1, www.YOURSITE.com"); lockPref("browser.startup.homepage", "http://www.YOURSITE.com"); lockPref("browser.startup.homepage_override.mstone", "rv:1.7"); lockPref("browser.cache.disk.capacity", 10000); lockPref("signon.rememberSignons", false); lockPref("security.warn_entering_secure", false); lockPref("security.warn_leaving_secure", false); lockPref("security.warn_submit_insecure", false); lockPref("security.warn_viewing_mixed", false); lockPref("print.always_print_silent", true); lockPref("print.show_print_progress", false); } catch(e){ displayError("lockedPref", e); } Save and exit this file Download moz-byteshift.pl (Google it...you will find it) ./moz-byteshift.pl -s 13 mozilla.cfg mv mozilla.cfg /home/john/firefox Edit /home/john/firefox/greprefs/all.js and add the following to the bottom: pref("general.config.filename","mozilla.cfg"); Save and exit then launch firefox again...your firefox config should be set. Do cp -R /home/john/firefox /etc You will need to change some permissions on some of the extension files for my icewm startup script which blows away /home/$USER/firefox and /home/$USER/.mozilla everytime icewm is started. This was designed so that if firefox freaks out...a power off and on of the terminal will cure everything. Permission changes needed in this directory and subdirectories: /home/john/firefox/extensions/\{4D498D0A-05AD-4fdb-97B5-8A0AABC1FC5B\}/c hrome/ I changed them like: chmod 644 contents.rdf rkioskbrowser.js rkioskbrowser.xul chmod 644 rkiosk.jar Now what I did was setup icewm to blow away each stations firefox program and settings everytime icewm is started. Edit /usr/share/icewm/startup and add something like: pkill -U $USER firefox rm -Rf /home/$USER/.mozilla rm -Rf /home/$USER/firefox cp -R /etc/firefox /home/$USER/firefox chown -R $USER:$USER /home/$USER/firefox /home/$USER/firefox/firefox www.YOURSITE.com & Now when IceWM starts it will first killall any stale firefox process for that station. (Needed cause the terminals are just shutoff) All firefox program for that user and settings are nuked. A fresh copy is then loaded into the users home directory Firefox is then launched and set to visit www.YOURSITE.com That should give you a place to start. I will try to replace these notes with a formal HOWTO in the future but at least this will give you a place to start. Please feel free to comment and provide a more efficient means that is bullet proof and reliable. Mike Thostenson From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Jan 26 22:30:14 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:30:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - any nice posters/banners Message-ID: <20060126153014.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.2d2c5feee5.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> I am looking for some nice posters/banners to decorate a new K12LTSP lab that we are sitting up at one of our schools. Does anybody know of a good outlet?? Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Fri Jan 27 00:27:21 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:27:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] postfix/dovecot gurus,,a question Message-ID: <61376.70.96.68.130.1138321641.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Hello list, Wondering if anyone here,,can give me any tips on tweaking,, Postfix/Dovecot,, conf files to speed things up a bit. Our school consolidated over the summer so our email list has went up some. Problem,is,when one of the three secretaries mass emails announcments,with a doc attached,to all in the email global address book,, the email server gets pulled down to nothing so it is unaccessable, for,,from 5-10 mins,,and needless to say,,i get calls," email is down",,,blah,,blah,,,for this short period of time,, Other than this, this thing it works great,,and im afraid if i start tweaking,,ill break it.WOuld i gain any by upping the "Resource limit...directive in php.ini??Or the number of child processes in Postfix .conf? Maybe I should lower current values to were the server takes longer to process stuff,, but is at least accesable?? I have looked at the sever ..while this is happening and of corse resource monitor goes ballistic,,and the hard drive is on solid for 5-10 mins?? Does this seem right? This is a 2.4 GHZ single processor,,,machine,,with 2 Gigs of ram,, ( This is just on an IDE drive(s) ) I have the Resource Limits in php.ini set to memory limit=10M I think default was 8M child processes,, in Postfix is default =100 I did see an older "howto" on using Postfix/Dovecot on making a cache file/folder,,to use memory buffer,,,but this didn't do anything as far as reducing the "lag/slowdown " for the period of 5 - 10 mins,,, Ive read were some use two servers/one incoming//one outgoing to utilize two(exisiting) processors,,rather than one, which makes sense but id like,,not to do this drastic,,if i can keep from it.. using .. Postfix/Dovecot/Squirrelmail/amavisd-new/clam/Spamassasin.. I tryed to get them to use Mailman,,,which I setup,but needless to say that idea,,went over like a led balloon..:).. Any ideas,,,?? Thanks,, Barry Cisna From toddobryan at mac.com Fri Jan 27 04:35:29 2006 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:35:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Writing Math Equations In-Reply-To: <43D909D6.7040408@paasda.org> References: <43D909D6.7040408@paasda.org> Message-ID: <777028A4-B222-4CFF-A991-6286EB193717@mac.com> Check out LyX. (www.lyx.org) It's pretty simple to get up and started. David Trask wrote: > I have a teacher who wants to be able to write math equations that > set up > properly...just like in a textbook...in other words fractions show > up as > one number over another number instead of using forward or back > slashes. Anyone know of a way to accomplish this? Font, > program...web site? She's > using Mac OS X, but we're open to anything. > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Jan 27 09:09:46 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:39:46 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Visudo Sudoers again In-Reply-To: <80d7e4090601261258l54763e23o5ad63ca94a8f8d2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <200601262026.k0QKQibC002039@mx1.redhat.com> <80d7e4090601261258l54763e23o5ad63ca94a8f8d2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <774593a20601270109u7363bfc7o595ed6540065c664@mail.gmail.com> On 1/27/06, Stephen J. Smoogen wrote: > On 1/26/06, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > > > All, > > > > No one has any idea about my sudoers issue?.... > > > > -Paul > > I do not recommend no passwd except in very controlled environments > (eg not schools :)). > > But shouldnt > > paul ALL=NOPASSWD:ALL > > be > > paul ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL > Format of sudoer file is user host=action authentication So the second line above should work or try paul ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jritchie at bible.edu Fri Jan 27 12:52:01 2006 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Ritchie, Josiah S.) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:52:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] A little K12LTSP Firefox Kiosk HOWTO Message-ID: <6EB812DA48A19740BE7CD3BC07C792FAB91E7D@rebekah.bible.edu> That would be great for that PDF magazine that was being talked about last month. JSR/ > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Mike Thostenson > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 5:27 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] A little K12LTSP Firefox Kiosk HOWTO > > I have written a few custom PHP/MySQL apps that required a locked down > kiosk for patrons at the front desk so that they can sign in and out by > themselves. I did not want the user to be able to easily close the web > browser or see any toolbars including the address bar. I thought I would > write a few of these notes from this project down to help me remember > what I did and then also save someone else the hassle of battling this > in the future. > > Hardware: > 1 - Dell PowerEdge SC430 3.0Ghz EMT64 1GB RAM SATA HDD > 2 - Wyse S50 Terminals > 2 - Wyse VESA Monitor Mounts (wrap the mount onto the stem of the dell > LCD base then clip the S50 to it...the pressure holds it to the stem > perfectly) > 2 - Dell E156FP Flat Panel LCD Monitors > > Software: > K12LTSP-4.2.3EL x86_64 > Stock Mozilla Firefox 1.5 from mozilla.com > R-kiosk 0.2 Firefox Extension written by Kimmo Heinaaro > > Some Notes: > I won't go into detail about everything that was done due to the lack of > time, but the following info should give the average linux dude a good > idea of what to do (if they would like to use my method). > > I started by installing and setting up k12ltsp and creating some user > accounts that automatically login. You will need to edit the following > files to make this happen: > /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf (to get gdm to work in kiosk mode) > **hints: > AutomaticLoginEnable=false > AutomaticLogin=/usr/bin/autologin.sh| > TimedLoginEnable=true > TimedLogin=/usr/bin/autologin.sh| > TimedLoginDelay=0 > ***end hints (lots more...just short on time) > /etc/dhcpd.conf (to get ip address based on mac address) > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp.conf (configure drivers and hw settings for a > specific node) > /etc/hosts (to insure ip address assigned matches host name) > > Once you have k12ltsp logging in automatically you will want to set your > default window manager to IceWM.desktop and disable Gnome and KDE. (I > won't get into that here) > > Tell IceWM not to start Nautilus (resource hog): > ICEWM_USE_SESSION=YES > ICEWM_USE_NAUTILUS=NO > > Edit /usr/share/icewm/preferences and disable your taskbar, logout > prompting, and anything else you desire. > > You should now have IceWM being automatically logged in with just a bare > desktop...nothing else. > > Next, we will setup firefox > > Download the stock firefox 1.5, untar and unzip it. > Put this in a users home directory just as /home/john/firefox > Run firefox/firefox and install the R-Kiosk 2 Extension as that user > Setup firefox the exact way you want it locking things down by doing: > cd greprefs > create a file called mozilla.cfg.txt with the following inside it: > // > > try { > > lockPref("network.proxy.http", "192.168.10.1"); > lockPref("network.proxy.http_port", 8080); > lockPref("network.proxy.type", 1); > lockPref("network.proxy.no_proxies_on", "localhost, 127.0.0.1, > www.YOURSITE.com"); > lockPref("browser.startup.homepage", "http://www.YOURSITE.com"); > lockPref("browser.startup.homepage_override.mstone", "rv:1.7"); > lockPref("browser.cache.disk.capacity", 10000); > lockPref("signon.rememberSignons", false); > lockPref("security.warn_entering_secure", false); > lockPref("security.warn_leaving_secure", false); > lockPref("security.warn_submit_insecure", false); > lockPref("security.warn_viewing_mixed", false); > lockPref("print.always_print_silent", true); > lockPref("print.show_print_progress", false); > > } > > catch(e){ > displayError("lockedPref", e); > } > > Save and exit this file > Download moz-byteshift.pl (Google it...you will find it) > ./moz-byteshift.pl -s 13 mozilla.cfg > mv mozilla.cfg /home/john/firefox > Edit /home/john/firefox/greprefs/all.js and add the following to the > bottom: > pref("general.config.filename","mozilla.cfg"); > > Save and exit then launch firefox again...your firefox config should be > set. > Do cp -R /home/john/firefox /etc > You will need to change some permissions on some of the extension files > for my icewm startup script which blows away /home/$USER/firefox and > /home/$USER/.mozilla everytime icewm is started. This was designed so > that if firefox freaks out...a power off and on of the terminal will > cure everything. > Permission changes needed in this directory and subdirectories: > /home/john/firefox/extensions/\{4D498D0A-05AD-4fdb-97B5-8A0AABC1FC5B\}/c > hrome/ > I changed them like: > chmod 644 contents.rdf rkioskbrowser.js rkioskbrowser.xul > chmod 644 rkiosk.jar > > Now what I did was setup icewm to blow away each stations firefox > program and settings everytime icewm is started. > Edit /usr/share/icewm/startup and add something like: > pkill -U $USER firefox > rm -Rf /home/$USER/.mozilla > rm -Rf /home/$USER/firefox > cp -R /etc/firefox /home/$USER/firefox > chown -R $USER:$USER /home/$USER/firefox > /home/$USER/firefox/firefox www.YOURSITE.com & > > Now when IceWM starts it will first killall any stale firefox process > for that station. (Needed cause the terminals are just shutoff) > All firefox program for that user and settings are nuked. > A fresh copy is then loaded into the users home directory > Firefox is then launched and set to visit www.YOURSITE.com > > That should give you a place to start. I will try to replace these notes > with a formal HOWTO in the future but at least this will give you a > place to start. > > Please feel free to comment and provide a more efficient means that is > bullet proof and reliable. > > Mike Thostenson > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jan 27 14:19:25 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:19:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] problems with a Compaq Presario SR1759NX Message-ID: <43DA2BED.2020108@maltzen.net> I just bought a Compaq Presario SR1750NX to be a terminal server for a small group of about 6-12 users. It has a 2.2ghz Athon 64 processor, 1GB RAM (to which I added 1GB for a total of 2GB), a 200GB SATA drive, an on-board ethernet powered by a Realtek RTL8101L chip. At $600, the price seemed right for a server for a group this size. But I'm having trouble getting K12LTSP 4.4.1 working. The first problem is the ethernet port. I'm doing the installation via NFS, and while the installer finds the onboard ethernet, when it does a DHCP request for an address, it's never able to get an address. The LEDs on the port and on the switch it's connected to both light up, so electrically it's connecting; but it's not functioning correctly. So, I disabled the on-board ethernet and put in two ethernet cards (I want a two-nic installation). With these, the installation went fine, but after the reboot, when the machine is coming up, at the point where it launches dhcpd, I get a kernel panic with a message about trying to kill init. I've never used a Compaq for a terminal server before, and I think of their quality as being pretty good. Does this seem like a defective machine? Or what would explain these failures? Petre From Steven at Stevensantos.com Fri Jan 27 14:15:43 2006 From: Steven at Stevensantos.com (Steven Santos) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:15:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to ass In-Reply-To: <20060126060423.71D8973124@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <01df01c6234c$29648ce0$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> Thank you one and all, you have given me a great deal of information. For the record, my child was one of the ones that was assaulted in school. The school is looking for a new solution to deal with this epidemic. At the same time, the local police department is taking on the issue, and are now monitoring myspace and a few other sites regularly, specifically looking for things that may lead to assaults in the schools. They are also taking a stand that all further assaults are going to be prosecuted, regardless of anything else (we declined to prosecute the 18 year old senior that assaulted my child, as it would have effectively meant he looses his collage scholarship, a price we felt was too high for what happened, seeing as he was deceived as well) As a teacher, and the director of a youth program I will say that we do have a myspace account for the program. Our own policy is to allow students to log in and use myspace, as long as we know about the account, this is done by adding the schools account as a friend. Since just about all of the students we work with that use myspace have added that account as a friend, its really easy to monitor what they are saying and doing when a problem does start to arise. On the other hand, we have never had to deal with assaults and the like. From gumprechtm at msad3.org Fri Jan 27 16:05:32 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:05:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sound on a term 150e in 4.2.1/2EL32bit Message-ID: <43DA44CC.1030805@msad3.org> Does anyone have client sound running on k12ltsp4.2.1EL or 4.2.2EL32bit? I did see a note that nasd was not working yet in 4.2.2 , I have followed the directions in the wiki and installed the sound script and made the changes to the lts.conf file, it seems to load properly without error, just no sound. On the 4.2.2el, I installed a soundcard into the server and that allowed partial sound on the server. System sounds worked and some apps. I re-did the changes and tried again, the same things worked for root, but not for the test user. The sound was not re-directed either. I signed into root on the terminal and the sound came out the server card. Sound on the term 150e is fine because I can here the hardware alerts over the speaker. Any help appreciated. Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jan 27 16:11:38 2006 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:11:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] postfix/dovecot gurus,,a question In-Reply-To: <61376.70.96.68.130.1138321641.squirrel@216.24.126.68> References: <61376.70.96.68.130.1138321641.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: <43DA463A.1090408@mesd.k12.or.us> cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > Hello list, > > Wondering if anyone here,,can give me any tips on tweaking,, > Postfix/Dovecot,, conf files to speed things up a bit. ...snip... > This is a 2.4 GHZ single processor,,,machine,,with 2 Gigs of ram,, > ( This is just on an IDE drive(s) ) IDE drives are terrible at random IO. You might look at http://www.postfix.org/rate.html (maybe local_destination_concurrency_limit = 1 in main.cf?) to see if you can slow down the "thundering herd", but the real fix is getting the mail spool on faster storage (SCSI). Please,,, watch...the///random...punctuation,,,It's---hard++to==read!! -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Fri Jan 27 16:12:37 2006 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:12:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Log in specific user at specifc terminal automatically Message-ID: <43DA4675.8050804@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, I've seen discussion on this list before about logging users onto terminals automatically. I've read the documentation on the wiki, but I'm a bit confused. Will this work in a mixed environment? By that I mean, can I have 25 terminals come up to a normal login prompt, and 1 terminal automatically login a specific user? If so, how exactly do I accomplish that? Any pointers in the right direction would be appreciated. Thanks. -- C-ya, Mark ____ Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jan 27 15:57:51 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:57:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need some opinions about NELS scheduling (Linux conference) Message-ID: If you would...please reply offlist to Matt and I. dtrask at vcsvikings.org and moquist at majen.net To those who have attended the Linux conference at Gould Academy (Maine, USA) in the past....(NELS)....I need some help. It looks like we may not be able to get away from Sunday after all. Gould has a group coming in Wednesday and needs the transition time. One suggestion last year was to arrive the evening before to allow people to set up so we coulde hit the ground running on the first day rather than spending the morning setting things up. I'm still try to work things out with Gould, but need some alternatives....here are my ideas....I need some input or votes. Scenario #1: Keep it like last year. Arrive Sunday a.m. June 18th and depart Tuesday p.m. June 20th Scenario #2: Optional (but encouraged) arrival on Saturday evening June 17th....hit the ground running on the next day and depart Tuesday p.m. Scenario #3: Optional (but encouraged) arrival on Saturday evening June 17th....offer early bird sessions in the a.m. for Saturday arrivals....folks continue to arrive during the a.m. on Sunday with official sessions beginning after noontime and going later into the evening on Sunday and depart Tuesday p.m. Also just a reminder that we'll have another NELS offering on July 16-19 at the Unuversity of New Hampshire. (Yes we realize it's Father's Day again, but we cannot avoid it. I too am a father and what we did last year was simply celebrate Father's Day (for me) the following weekend....it was pretty nice...I had a Fathers Day all to myself! ) :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Fri Jan 27 16:46:01 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:46:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to ass In-Reply-To: <01df01c6234c$29648ce0$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> References: <01df01c6234c$29648ce0$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> Message-ID: <43DA4E49.1090705@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Thanks to all for a very interesting and enlightening discussion. Ultimately, what it came down to for me is that while myspace might have some uses (I see more now having read this thread), we're saturating our dual-T1 uplink as it is, and so it's necessary to cut the fluff where possible. Given the lack of a clear educational purpose for myspace, combined with the not insignificant potential for trouble in having it in, the decision to block stands. After reading all this, I'll probably spend some time considering lifting the block once we have better outbound connectivity. At this point, however, it would seem that the teachers welcome the block, as they were considering myspace to be an in-class nuisance before it was dropped. Cheers, Mike From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Fri Jan 27 16:58:42 2006 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (RiE) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:58:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to ass In-Reply-To: <43DA4E49.1090705@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <01df01c6234c$29648ce0$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> <43DA4E49.1090705@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <69b790a80601270858p5306a34fx3bd86d5ff1c8a525@mail.gmail.com> On 1/27/06, Mike Ely wrote: > Thanks to all for a very interesting and enlightening discussion. > Ultimately, what it came down to for me is that while myspace might have > some uses (I see more now having read this thread), we're saturating our > dual-T1 uplink as it is, and so it's necessary to cut the fluff where > possible. Given the lack of a clear educational purpose for myspace, > combined with the not insignificant potential for trouble in having it > in, the decision to block stands. After reading all this, I'll probably > spend some time considering lifting the block once we have better > outbound connectivity. At this point, however, it would seem that the > teachers welcome the block, as they were considering myspace to be an > in-class nuisance before it was dropped. Our schools have the option of blocking myspace or not. When a site is blocked, students can fill out a form requesting a site be un-blocked. I get copies of these. A week or so ago, I took a longer look at myspace. There are groups for a couple of the local high schools. Looking through the users that 'belong' to the groups, there are people from 15-24 in some of the groups. Looking at some of the individual entries, there are pics and movies that are not appropriate for viewing in school. I've heard, but haven't seen, that some pages detail the use of heroin. I heard there was one that was talking about how to commit suicide. I don't know if these were Urban Legends the teachers were hearing about, or if the pages do exist on myspace. Judging by some of the comments, I think the students would be better off learning grammar and spelling then to view myspace. That's just my opinion though.. From les at futuresource.com Fri Jan 27 17:16:22 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:16:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] postfix/dovecot gurus,,a question In-Reply-To: <61376.70.96.68.130.1138321641.squirrel@216.24.126.68> References: <61376.70.96.68.130.1138321641.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: <1138382182.26376.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-01-26 at 18:27, cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > using .. Postfix/Dovecot/Squirrelmail/amavisd-new/clam/Spamassasin.. > > I tryed to get them to use Mailman,,,which I setup,but needless to say > that idea,,went over like a led balloon..:).. > Any ideas,,,?? The method they use to send mass email is probably generating a separate message per address. If the destination list(s) are fairly stable you might fix the problem by maintaining an alias on the server for each group list so they only need to send one message. I've done this in a sendmail environment by making an alias like: list_name: :include:/path/to/file where some user had permission to edit that file directly. Sometimes it is harder to explain the concept of plain text files than to maintain the thing yourself, though. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From nadavkav at netvision.net.il Fri Jan 27 17:52:14 2006 From: nadavkav at netvision.net.il (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:52:14 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Log in specific user at specifc terminal automatically In-Reply-To: <43DA4675.8050804@honeygroveisd.net> References: <43DA4675.8050804@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <200601271952.14651.nadavkav@netvision.net.il> On Friday 27 January 2006 18:12, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > I've seen discussion on this list before about logging users onto > terminals automatically. I've read the documentation on the wiki, but > I'm a bit confused. Will this work in a mixed environment? By that I > mean, can I have 25 terminals come up to a normal login prompt, and 1 > terminal automatically login a specific user? If so, how exactly do I > accomplish that? Any pointers in the right direction would be > appreciated. Thanks. i use kdm ( i hope you do too, only for the sake of this example ) first make a user for each terminal : pc1 , pc2 .... then add these lines to the /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc file... [X-:*-Core] NoPassEnable=true NoPassUsers=pc1,pc2,pc3... and add an individuale section for each terminal [X-ws001:0-Core] AutoLoginEnable=true AutoLoginUser=pc1 [X-ws002:0-Core] AutoLoginEnable=true AutoLoginUser=pc2 [X-ws003:0-Core] AutoLoginEnable=true AutoLoginUser=pc3 . . . now, restart the terminal and see how it boot, loads X and autologin :-) From SelzlerB at esuhsd.org Fri Jan 27 18:11:06 2006 From: SelzlerB at esuhsd.org (Selzler, Bruce) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:11:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Connecting to OSX Tiger Volumes Message-ID: <428DC7E1774ECA4D96783E1DB2722AEF012DC1FB@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Hello Team, I have some LTSP servers and workstations set up around our campus. One major shortcoming of the LTSP setups here at our school is that the students cannot use LTSP workstations to access their folders on our OSX.4 server. The server is setup as a stand alone server and serves volumes to windows clients as well as Macs, and I also use NFS shares on these servers to install LTSP on other systems. However I can't seem to see or mount any volumes on the OSX servers from an LTSP workstation. What I would really like to do is have OSX server LDAP and have the LTSP workstations use that information to log each student on so they can mount their OSX folders and work on the files they have stored there on their own desktop. But I've had zero luck with that as well. At this point I'd be happy if the students could log on to a generic account on LTSP and open up their folders from the desktop like they do with Windoze and Macs. But I can't seem to figure out how to make this happen. I've read the HowTo's and I've played with this stuff until I'm blue in the face but no luck so far. I have the sense that I'm missing something really basic that should be obvious, but I can't see it. Is there anyone out there doing what I would like to do here that could explain the process to me like I'm an eight year old? I'd really appreciate it. Thanks. - Sez From gumprechtm at msad3.org Fri Jan 27 18:22:20 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:22:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] scripting trash removal Message-ID: <43DA64DC.6070207@msad3.org> Dave was nice to send me this for clearing cache !#/bin/bash for x in `ls /home`; do echo "Doing $x ..." cd /home/${x}/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/Cache rm -Rf * done Ok that works just fine. Soooo, If that works for cache, with a little mod like this !#/bin/bash for x in `ls /home`; do echo "Doing $x ..." cd /home/${x}/.Trash rm -Rf * done It should clear out the .Trash directory only... right? I Ran the script and it deleted out the trash, but it also deleted all non hidden files in the root directory from which I ran the script.. including itself. I'm sure it is obvious to someone who knows, but I don't see why it is killing all the files. Any Help Appreciated Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org Fri Jan 27 18:57:05 2006 From: mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org (Mark Goodridge) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:57:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use In-Reply-To: <69b790a80601270858p5306a34fx3bd86d5ff1c8a525@mail.gmail.com> References: <01df01c6234c$29648ce0$2c01a8c0@santoswintergr> <43DA4E49.1090705@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <69b790a80601270858p5306a34fx3bd86d5ff1c8a525@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43DA6D01.3000802@chelseaeagles.org> RiE wrote: > On 1/27/06, Mike Ely wrote: > >>Thanks to all for a very interesting and enlightening discussion. >>Ultimately, what it came down to for me is that while myspace might have >>some uses (I see more now having read this thread), we're saturating our >>dual-T1 uplink as it is, and so it's necessary to cut the fluff where >>possible. I've stayed off this thread until now because my experience with myspace in our school was too alarming but here goes. Myspace-type use of the Internet is something that I was, until last spring, unaware of and uninterested in. I'm a different generation (grandparent class) and Wizardry was the last non-professional use of computers that really excited me. I guess I'm too old for the newer stuff. Last spring, entirely by accident, I discovered a student's myspace page. One of our middle school girls had posted an enticing picture, personal information (enough to locate her), and a daily log that detailed, among other things, her romantic interests and activities. I saw the page and freaked, printed a copy, carried the paper to the principal's office and left it to him to clean up the mess. This child had just finished a unit on the dangers of posting personal information on a web site. Got a good grade too. I know because I taught the class. Since the entries were date/time stamped, we could tell what classes she was in when she was updating her journal (math on Monday, English on Wednesday, social studies on Friday, etc. as well as evenings and weekends at home.) I blocked myspace and all similar web sites I could identify (and I now troll for new web sites with similar uses and block them too.) Then we talked to the faculty and the principal talked to the parents. The student thought it would be OK to do this (during math class if you please) because her web page was "password protected." As I said at the beginning of this post, I found it entirely by accident (some password protection). Until I saw her web page I had never even heard of Myspace. Problem Areas Identified: Teachers who do not closely monitor student computer use. Parents who do not closely monitor student computer use. Technology manager who never dreamed how naive seventh graders could be about technology and how advanced they are about more fundamental physical activities (and what they would publish on-line). Adults and children who believe that there is any such thing as a "private web page" on the Internet. We don't have that problem anymore (because I've blocked the web sites) but I've heard through the grapevine that the student is still continuing her experiments in technology and human relations but as extra curricular activities. So basically we've deflected or hidden the problem but we haven't solved it. I realize that our experience with myspace is a sample of one, but I have no interest in further trials to increase the sample size. -- Mark Goodridge From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Fri Jan 27 19:25:19 2006 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:25:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] accelerated reader /math works on K12LTSP-FC3 Message-ID: I would be interested in the howto. Thanks -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us [mailto:cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:03 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] accelerated reader /math works on K12LTSP-FC3 Hello List, I m sure there are others in the same boat as we are here at this school Using older school software can be the pits... I was able to get the newer version of Accerated Reader working fine,as well as Accelerated Math/Star Math, Star Reader after lots of tweeking, Dont want to make a long story here,,but if anyone is interested on the "howto" to do this post here and ill give more details when my mind is refreshed!!:).. Youll need CrossOver Office to makle it happen.. Hope this helps someone,, Barry CIsna _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jam at mcquil.com Fri Jan 27 19:48:41 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:48:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sound on a term 150e in 4.2.1/2EL32bit In-Reply-To: <43DA44CC.1030805@msad3.org> References: <43DA44CC.1030805@msad3.org> Message-ID: <43DA7919.7080806@McQuil.com> Mark, It's my understanding that sound isn't redirected over the network for the "root" user. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Does anyone have client sound running on k12ltsp4.2.1EL or 4.2.2EL32bit? > I did see a note that nasd was not working yet in 4.2.2 , I have > followed the directions in the wiki and installed the sound script and > made the changes to the lts.conf file, it seems to load properly > without error, just no sound. On the 4.2.2el, I installed a soundcard > into the server and that allowed partial sound on the server. System > sounds worked and some apps. I re-did the changes and tried again, the > same things worked for root, but not for the test user. The sound was > not re-directed either. I signed into root on the terminal and the > sound came out the server card. Sound on the term 150e is fine because > I can here the hardware alerts over the speaker. Any help appreciated. > Mark > From wolfravenous at gmail.com Fri Jan 27 20:01:36 2006 From: wolfravenous at gmail.com (Steve Hampton) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:01:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Attempting to Setup SATA RAID Message-ID: Hi List, If anyone has ran into this problem before, and knows a quick solution please share it with me, otherwise I am giving up on this . I have researched it to death and I have trouble shot it to the point that I know it is a linux problem, I am just hoping there is a quick fix for it. I will detail the problem below. I have an intel motherboard with an onboard Silicon Image SATA RAID controller. I have been running my k12ltsp server without a safty net, i know shame on me, but I finally decidied to setup RAID 1 so that I would have a safety net. I have a Seagate 120GB SATA drive with my K12 install on it. I added a Western Dig. 120GB SATA drive and then rebooted, went into the Silicon Image Configuration tool at bootup and created a RAID set and mirrored my first drive to the second one. Then when I rebooted the machine grub comes up i choose the kernel and then right after it begins to load the kernel before the INIT version and it says "Starting Fedora Core" It fails with the error "IRQ 10 Nobody cares!" and then freezes with "Disableing irq 10" to fix the problem I simply have to reboot, delete my Raid set in the Silicon Image config tool and then turn the machine off unhook the second drive and i am using the server now to write this email. But I would like for this to work. Below is the relevent info from my grub file if that helps title Fedora Core (2.6.12-1.1381_FC3) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.12-1.1381_FC3 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet initrd /initrd-2.6.12-1.1381_FC3.img Thanks Steve Open Source, The Right Thing To Do! From lists.john at gmail.com Fri Jan 27 20:13:48 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:13:48 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Attempting to Setup SATA RAID In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2be970b50601271213ief0c768y25e0217c08c086fc@mail.gmail.com> Hi Steve, Try disableing ACPI via grub bootloader options.You might also take a look at http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&q=IRQ+10+Nobody+cares%21%22+silicon+&qt_s=Search ans similar if you already haven't. Hth. John On 1/27/06, Steve Hampton wrote: > Hi List, > > If anyone has ran into this problem before, and knows a quick solution > please share it with me, otherwise I am giving up on this . I have > researched it to death and I have trouble shot it to the point that I > know it is a linux problem, I am just hoping there is a quick fix for > it. I will detail the problem below. > > I have an intel motherboard with an onboard Silicon Image SATA RAID > controller. I have been running my k12ltsp server without a safty > net, i know shame on me, but I finally decidied to setup RAID 1 so > that I would have a safety net. > > I have a Seagate 120GB SATA drive with my K12 install on it. I added > a Western Dig. 120GB SATA drive and then rebooted, went into the > Silicon Image Configuration tool at bootup and created a RAID set and > mirrored my first drive to the second one. Then when I rebooted the > machine grub comes up i choose the kernel and then right after it > begins to load the kernel before the INIT version and it says > "Starting Fedora Core" > > It fails with the error "IRQ 10 Nobody cares!" and then freezes with > "Disableing irq 10" to fix the problem I simply have to reboot, delete > my Raid set in the Silicon Image config tool and then turn the machine > off unhook the second drive and i am using the server now to write > this email. But I would like for this to work. Below is the relevent > info from my grub file if that helps > > title Fedora Core (2.6.12-1.1381_FC3) > root (hd0,0) > kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.12-1.1381_FC3 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet > initrd /initrd-2.6.12-1.1381_FC3.img > > Thanks > Steve > > > Open Source, The Right Thing To Do! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From caldodge at fpcc.net Fri Jan 27 21:35:54 2006 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:35:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] scripting trash removal In-Reply-To: <43DA64DC.6070207@msad3.org> References: <43DA64DC.6070207@msad3.org> Message-ID: <20060127213554.GA16322@fpcc.net> On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 01:22:20PM -0500, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Dave was nice to send me this for clearing cache > > !#/bin/bash > for x in `ls /home`; do > echo "Doing $x ..." > cd /home/${x}/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/Cache > rm -Rf * > done > > Ok that works just fine. Soooo, If that works for cache, with a little > mod like this > > !#/bin/bash > for x in `ls /home`; do > echo "Doing $x ..." > cd /home/${x}/.Trash > rm -Rf * > done > > It should clear out the .Trash directory only... right? > I Ran the script and it deleted out the trash, but it also deleted all > non hidden files in the root directory from which I ran the script.. > including itself. > I'm sure it is obvious to someone who knows, but I don't see why it is > killing all the files. Well, if a user doesn't have a .Trash directory, then the "cd" will fail, and the script will merrily delete whatever is in the current directory. Also, I believe a malicious user could do "rm -Rf ~/.Trash;ln -s /root .Trash", and fool your script into deleting the contents of /root. I'm sure some Linux guru can come up with a more elegant way to deal with this, but I'd do something like: if [ -d /home/${x}/.Trash ] then echo "Doing $x ..." cd /home/${x}/.Trash rm -Rf * fi The inner part will execute only if .Trash is a directory. -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From les at futuresource.com Fri Jan 27 21:32:43 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:32:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] scripting trash removal In-Reply-To: <20060127213554.GA16322@fpcc.net> References: <43DA64DC.6070207@msad3.org> <20060127213554.GA16322@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <1138397563.26376.46.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 15:35, Calvin Dodge wrote: > On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 01:22:20PM -0500, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > Dave was nice to send me this for clearing cache > > > > !#/bin/bash > > for x in `ls /home`; do > > echo "Doing $x ..." > > cd /home/${x}/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/Cache > > rm -Rf * > > done > > > > Ok that works just fine. Soooo, If that works for cache, with a little > > mod like this > > > > !#/bin/bash > > for x in `ls /home`; do > > echo "Doing $x ..." > > cd /home/${x}/.Trash > > rm -Rf * > > done > > > > It should clear out the .Trash directory only... right? > > I Ran the script and it deleted out the trash, but it also deleted all > > non hidden files in the root directory from which I ran the script.. > > including itself. > > I'm sure it is obvious to someone who knows, but I don't see why it is > > killing all the files. > > Well, if a user doesn't have a .Trash directory, then the "cd" will fail, > and the script will merrily delete whatever is in the current directory. > > Also, I believe a malicious user could do "rm -Rf ~/.Trash;ln -s /root .Trash", > and fool your script into deleting the contents of /root. > > I'm sure some Linux guru can come up with a more elegant way to deal with this, > but I'd do something like: > > if [ -d /home/${x}/.Trash ] > then > echo "Doing $x ..." > cd /home/${x}/.Trash > rm -Rf * > fi > > The inner part will execute only if .Trash is a directory. The succinct way would be cd /home/${x}/.Trash && rm -rf * (&& means continue if the previous command succeeded) or just rm -rf /home/${x}/.Trash/* as long as the expansion fits in the command line size limit. -- Les Mikesell les at gmail.com From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Fri Jan 27 22:14:50 2006 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:14:50 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20Re:=20[K12OSN]=20Attempting=20to=20S?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?etup=20SATA=20RAID?= Message-ID: Have you read this site: http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html If all fail, use softraid. >>> lists.john at gmail.com 2006-01-27 15:13:48 >>> Hi Steve, Try disableing ACPI via grub bootloader options.You might also take a look at http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&q=IRQ+10+Nobody+cares%21%22+silicon+&qt_s=Search ans similar if you already haven't. Hth. John On 1/27/06, Steve Hampton wrote: > Hi List, > > If anyone has ran into this problem before, and knows a quick solution > please share it with me, otherwise I am giving up on this . I have > researched it to death and I have trouble shot it to the point that I > know it is a linux problem, I am just hoping there is a quick fix for > it. I will detail the problem below. > > I have an intel motherboard with an onboard Silicon Image SATA RAID > controller. I have been running my k12ltsp server without a safty > net, i know shame on me, but I finally decidied to setup RAID 1 so > that I would have a safety net. > > I have a Seagate 120GB SATA drive with my K12 install on it. I added > a Western Dig. 120GB SATA drive and then rebooted, went into the > Silicon Image Configuration tool at bootup and created a RAID set and > mirrored my first drive to the second one. Then when I rebooted the > machine grub comes up i choose the kernel and then right after it > begins to load the kernel before the INIT version and it says > "Starting Fedora Core" > > It fails with the error "IRQ 10 Nobody cares!" and then freezes with > "Disableing irq 10" to fix the problem I simply have to reboot, delete > my Raid set in the Silicon Image config tool and then turn the machine > off unhook the second drive and i am using the server now to write > this email. But I would like for this to work. Below is the relevent > info from my grub file if that helps > > title Fedora Core (2.6.12-1.1381_FC3) > root (hd0,0) > kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.12-1.1381_FC3 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet > initrd /initrd-2.6.12-1.1381_FC3.img > > Thanks > Steve > > > Open Source, The Right Thing To Do! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at gmail.com Fri Jan 27 22:32:06 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:32:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Attempting to Setup SATA RAID In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 1/27/06, Steve Hampton wrote: > Hi List, > > If anyone has ran into this problem before, and knows a quick solution > please share it with me, otherwise I am giving up on this . I have > researched it to death and I have trouble shot it to the point that I > know it is a linux problem, I am just hoping there is a quick fix for > it. I will detail the problem below. > Use software raid 1 through the kernel, it's robust. Most of those "hardware" raid cards/chips are not real hardware raid. They need proprietary drivers to work. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From julian_yap at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 02:31:57 2006 From: julian_yap at yahoo.com (Julian Yap) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:31:57 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba and LDAP integration questions Message-ID: <1138415517.25580.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi all, I'm working on a project to integrate a Samba PDC with an LDAP Server for authentication for K12LTSP terminals. This would all be on one machine which would also be the file server for the users home directories. This would allow for Roaming Profiles. All the talk thus far on the list has been on using the smbldap scripts. I've taken a look at the instructions for installation but I was hoping to replicate the methodology and potentially using different components. Namely, I want to use Fedora Directory Server as the LDAP server. I'm fairly new to the K12LTSP project so I have a few questions I hope could be answered. Why is a Samba PDC used instead of Posix user attributes? Is this just to allow MS Windows workstations or is there an advantage for the K12LTSP terminals to work with Samba? If a Samba PDC is not required then it's a matter of authenticating logon off the LDAP server and perhaps auto-mounting the users home directory off the file server using NFS. Is this the correct approach? If so/If not, is there a standardized way of doing this without writing custom scripts? Is there a standard way of tying LDAP authentication with Roaming Profiles with a Samba PDC or otherwise? Part of this installation involves writing documentation. I'm not sure the extent of the documentation, but I'm looking to Open Source it to the community. Thanks for your help, Julian Member of the Board of Directors HOSEF (http://hosef.org) From sbarar at gmail.com Sat Jan 28 04:54:10 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:24:10 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Attempting to Setup SATA RAID In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <774593a20601272054j784e948fte06f3c14933f5d46@mail.gmail.com> On 1/28/06, Steve Hampton wrote: > I have a Seagate 120GB SATA drive with my K12 install on it. I added > a Western Dig. 120GB SATA drive and then rebooted, went into the > Silicon Image Configuration tool at bootup and created a RAID set and > mirrored my first drive to the second one. Then when I rebooted the > machine grub comes up i choose the kernel and then right after it > begins to load the kernel before the INIT version and it says > "Starting Fedora Core" > > It fails with the error "IRQ 10 Nobody cares!" and then freezes with > "Disableing irq 10" to fix the problem I simply have to reboot, delete > my Raid set in the Silicon Image config tool and then turn the machine > off unhook the second drive and i am using the server now to write > this email. But I would like for this to work. Below is the relevent > info from my grub file if that helps > > title Fedora Core (2.6.12-1.1381_FC3) > root (hd0,0) > kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.12-1.1381_FC3 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet > initrd /initrd-2.6.12-1.1381_FC3.img > Shot in the dark. Swap cabes of the two drives on MoBo. Reason: could be that grub is looking at (hd0,0) while it is at (hd1,0)?? Secondly instead of making/adding RAID like this use mdadm after parted on the new disk. Third look up the net for setting up second disk for booting in case of raid failure on first disk. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Jan 28 05:26:34 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:26:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba and LDAP integration questions In-Reply-To: <1138415517.25580.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1138415517.25580.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, January 27, 2006 at 9:31 PM +0000 wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm working on a project to integrate a Samba PDC with an LDAP Server >for authentication for K12LTSP terminals. This would all be on one >machine which would also be the file server for the users home >directories. This would allow for Roaming Profiles. I'm a little confused...one machine for holding the authentication and users home directories and another machine as the K12LTSP server...or one machine for both? If you go with a seperate server to hold the user info....in other words the LDAP server....you can then have many K12LTSP servers all pointing to this one authentication/home dir server. > > >All the talk thus far on the list has been on using the smbldap scripts. >I've taken a look at the instructions for installation but I was hoping >to replicate the methodology and potentially using different components. >Namely, I want to use Fedora Directory Server as the LDAP server. do you need to have Windows workstations involved? If not...don't bother with smbldap....feel free to use FDS. Samba/LDAP is what many of us have to use to set up a common PDC/LDAP server for our mixed environments. The samba integration with FDS is not as mature as smbldap at this point which is why many of us are using it. Matt and I developed it (smbldap-installer) out of a need to provide open source centralized authentication for mixed networks. In my case my Samba/LDAP server is my PDC thus all my Windows servers and workstations suthenticate to it and it houses the Windows roaming profiles...as well as my Linux servers...in particular my K12LTSP servers point to it for authentication and NFS mounted home directories (/home is exported from the Samba/LDAP server) > > >I'm fairly new to the K12LTSP project so I have a few questions I hope >could be answered. > >Why is a Samba PDC used instead of Posix user attributes? Is this just >to allow MS Windows workstations or is there an advantage for the >K12LTSP terminals to work with Samba? simply to accomodate Windows....Windows uses Samba and Linux uses the openldap...yes they are integrated, but that's the seperation simply put. If Windows was not part of the equation then OpenLDAP would simply be enough....for the most part. > > >If a Samba PDC is not required then it's a matter of authenticating >logon off the LDAP server and perhaps auto-mounting the users home >directory off the file server using NFS. Yes....piece of cake....and FDS should make this simple. > > >Is this the correct approach? If so/If not, is there a standardized way >of doing this without writing custom scripts? Is there a standard way >of tying LDAP authentication with Roaming Profiles with a Samba PDC or >otherwise? > >Part of this installation involves writing documentation. I'm not sure >the extent of the documentation, but I'm looking to Open Source it to >the community. > >Thanks for your help, > >Julian >Member of the Board of Directors HOSEF (http://hosef.org) Let us know exactly what the layout is of what you're trying to do and we can help....MANY of us are now running smbldap installations and have lots of experience with centralized authentication as a result. Also...Samba 4 may turn out to be the holy grail in some respects....keep us posted :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Jan 28 05:26:34 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:26:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba and LDAP integration questions In-Reply-To: <1138415517.25580.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1138415517.25580.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, January 27, 2006 at 9:31 PM +0000 wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm working on a project to integrate a Samba PDC with an LDAP Server >for authentication for K12LTSP terminals. This would all be on one >machine which would also be the file server for the users home >directories. This would allow for Roaming Profiles. I'm a little confused...one machine for holding the authentication and users home directories and another machine as the K12LTSP server...or one machine for both? If you go with a seperate server to hold the user info....in other words the LDAP server....you can then have many K12LTSP servers all pointing to this one authentication/home dir server. > > >All the talk thus far on the list has been on using the smbldap scripts. >I've taken a look at the instructions for installation but I was hoping >to replicate the methodology and potentially using different components. >Namely, I want to use Fedora Directory Server as the LDAP server. do you need to have Windows workstations involved? If not...don't bother with smbldap....feel free to use FDS. Samba/LDAP is what many of us have to use to set up a common PDC/LDAP server for our mixed environments. The samba integration with FDS is not as mature as smbldap at this point which is why many of us are using it. Matt and I developed it (smbldap-installer) out of a need to provide open source centralized authentication for mixed networks. In my case my Samba/LDAP server is my PDC thus all my Windows servers and workstations suthenticate to it and it houses the Windows roaming profiles...as well as my Linux servers...in particular my K12LTSP servers point to it for authentication and NFS mounted home directories (/home is exported from the Samba/LDAP server) > > >I'm fairly new to the K12LTSP project so I have a few questions I hope >could be answered. > >Why is a Samba PDC used instead of Posix user attributes? Is this just >to allow MS Windows workstations or is there an advantage for the >K12LTSP terminals to work with Samba? simply to accomodate Windows....Windows uses Samba and Linux uses the openldap...yes they are integrated, but that's the seperation simply put. If Windows was not part of the equation then OpenLDAP would simply be enough....for the most part. > > >If a Samba PDC is not required then it's a matter of authenticating >logon off the LDAP server and perhaps auto-mounting the users home >directory off the file server using NFS. Yes....piece of cake....and FDS should make this simple. > > >Is this the correct approach? If so/If not, is there a standardized way >of doing this without writing custom scripts? Is there a standard way >of tying LDAP authentication with Roaming Profiles with a Samba PDC or >otherwise? > >Part of this installation involves writing documentation. I'm not sure >the extent of the documentation, but I'm looking to Open Source it to >the community. > >Thanks for your help, > >Julian >Member of the Board of Directors HOSEF (http://hosef.org) Let us know exactly what the layout is of what you're trying to do and we can help....MANY of us are now running smbldap installations and have lots of experience with centralized authentication as a result. Also...Samba 4 may turn out to be the holy grail in some respects....keep us posted :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From julian_yap at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 08:28:40 2006 From: julian_yap at yahoo.com (Julian Yap) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:28:40 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba and LDAP integration questions In-Reply-To: References: <1138415517.25580.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1138436920.1425.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> David, Thanks for your quick reply. See below: On Sat, 2006-01-28 at 00:26 -0500, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Friday, January 27, 2006 at 9:31 PM +0000 wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >I'm working on a project to integrate a Samba PDC with an LDAP Server > >for authentication for K12LTSP terminals. This would all be on one > >machine which would also be the file server for the users home > >directories. This would allow for Roaming Profiles. > > I'm a little confused...one machine for holding the authentication and > users home directories and another machine as the K12LTSP server...or one > machine for both? If you go with a seperate server to hold the user > info....in other words the LDAP server....you can then have many K12LTSP > servers all pointing to this one authentication/home dir server. The layout is: 1 machine for holding the authentication and users home directories. 18 K12LTSP servers eventually. > >All the talk thus far on the list has been on using the smbldap scripts. > >I've taken a look at the instructions for installation but I was hoping > >to replicate the methodology and potentially using different components. > >Namely, I want to use Fedora Directory Server as the LDAP server. > > do you need to have Windows workstations involved? If not...don't bother > with smbldap....feel free to use FDS. Samba/LDAP is what many of us have > to use to set up a common PDC/LDAP server for our mixed environments. The > samba integration with FDS is not as mature as smbldap at this point which > is why many of us are using it. Matt and I developed it > (smbldap-installer) out of a need to provide open source centralized > authentication for mixed networks. In my case my Samba/LDAP server is my > PDC thus all my Windows servers and workstations suthenticate to it and it > houses the Windows roaming profiles...as well as my Linux servers...in > particular my K12LTSP servers point to it for authentication and NFS > mounted home directories (/home is exported from the Samba/LDAP server) We're holding a meeting tomorrow to put down the details into an agreement. Samba was mentioned previously in initial talks so I'm not certain if Windows workstations will be involved... I have an inkling it may be. Thanks for clarifying your use of smbldap vs Samba with FDS. What is required for integration of Samba with FDS? FDS allows for "NT user attributes" if that's any help. > >I'm fairly new to the K12LTSP project so I have a few questions I hope > >could be answered. > > > >Why is a Samba PDC used instead of Posix user attributes? Is this just > >to allow MS Windows workstations or is there an advantage for the > >K12LTSP terminals to work with Samba? > > simply to accomodate Windows....Windows uses Samba and Linux uses the > openldap...yes they are integrated, but that's the seperation simply put. > If Windows was not part of the equation then OpenLDAP would simply be > enough....for the most part. Cool. I thought there was some other technical reason. > >If a Samba PDC is not required then it's a matter of authenticating > >logon off the LDAP server and perhaps auto-mounting the users home > >directory off the file server using NFS. > > Yes....piece of cake....and FDS should make this simple. Yep. I'm pretty sure I have this sorted. Would you just mount the users home directory on the K12LTSP servers via NFS when it boots up or have a more dynamic mount when the user logs in? Do you usually assign the students with the same Group ID? > Let us know exactly what the layout is of what you're trying to do and we > can help....MANY of us are now running smbldap installations and have lots > of experience with centralized authentication as a result. Also...Samba 4 > may turn out to be the holy grail in some respects....keep us posted :-) Excellent. If you need more details, I'll provide them. We may or may not require Samba integration. If so, I'm sure I'll have more questions. I took a look at Samba 4 today from Tridgell's latest talk at Linux Conf Australia. Sounds very promising. From tobebaeyens at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 13:19:47 2006 From: tobebaeyens at yahoo.com (Tobe Baeyens) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 05:19:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Writing Math Equations In-Reply-To: <777028A4-B222-4CFF-A991-6286EB193717@mac.com> Message-ID: <20060128131947.85271.qmail@web60712.mail.yahoo.com> Another option is OpenOffice. (insert - object - formule) www.openoffice.org --- Todd O'Bryan wrote: > Check out LyX. (www.lyx.org) > > It's pretty simple to get up and started. > > David Trask wrote: > > I have a teacher who wants to be able to write > math equations that > > set up > > properly...just like in a textbook...in other > words fractions show > > up as > > one number over another number instead of using > forward or back > > slashes. Anyone know of a way to accomplish this? > Font, > > program...web site? She's > > using Mac OS X, but we're open to anything. > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Director > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cliebow at midmaine.com Sat Jan 28 13:32:37 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:32:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] david trask..ldap via moodle+ smoothwall and bypass authentication In-Reply-To: References: <1138415517.25580.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47839.70.33.151.214.1138455157.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> David:We've been hacking at moodle and have a way to update pws based on expiretime of sambaPwdMustChange..then update all smbldap fields.. We've talked about firewall bypass for an auth group as well so admins could easily d/l what kids cant..I do have smoothwall talking to ldap and am working on hacking into the identd process to use ldap for authentication.. Basically at the access denied page is a "click to bypass button" which opens a page to enter username and pw..If user is member of auth group he is allowed passage thru dansguardian with no restrictions.. Any thoughts? chuck From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sat Jan 28 13:39:11 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 07:39:11 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] accelerated reader /math works on K12LTSP-FC3 Message-ID: <61865.70.96.68.130.1138455551.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Hello List, Sorry I havent got back here to write a brief howto,on running Accelerated Reader/Math , Star Reader/Math on K12LTSP. What you need to do is download the following versions of Wine& winetools. ALso We purchased CrossOver Office-Pro/70$,?( but this is not necessary,in hind site.) The nice thing about CrossoverOffice is it does generate nice start menu items,transparently,,without having to script your own desktop launcher stuff. I was able to do program updates as well,with wine, just so you know. This software is very dated but the school i am at dumped alot of money into licenesing/product. You know the drill. If your school has all sorts of money to go through,, I think still the best shot is the Rennassaince Place they have out that does all your apps Webbrowsered. I tried several versions of Wine and seems all the versions I tried DID work. The one trouble area you will have with this is trying to install AccReader 6.35, then it trying to find the data. WE have AR 6.35, SR 1.23, AM 1.2, SM 1.2 --golden oldies..:) 1. First you need to do Samba mount on your existing alsdata folder on your windows box,so your linux server is pulling that share to it. You will then of course see the alsdata share folder on each users desktop. Now you have your data were Linux can use/see it:) 2. Install Wine & winetools as well. WInetools lets you install a few MSWindows core files,,and other stuff if you chose to.It has an uninstaller plugin as well for windows installed apps. 2. Wine version number we have is 20050111.rpm 2b. You will need xdialog to run winetools xdialog-2.1.1.rpm 2c. Winetools version winetools-2.1.1 3. after you have these installed simply copy your AR/AM/SR/SM cds to your linux HD 4. from a command line type in " winetools" 4a. install some the windows core package stuff( fonts , dcom,msi installer) which winetools will do for you, automagically. 5. Now click your setup.exe in each of your cd's you copyed to HD,and all should run/instal without a hitch With all your softwares installed go to your ~username/.wine/drive_C folder (that winetools will generate for you and find the actual path to the exe's.and create a desktop launcher, 6. You will go into the manager portion of each program,inititally and point your data location to your /mnt/alsdata folder to access the data. 6a. make sure you have your two data DAT & FPT index files in your alsdata root folder,or nothing will work!. This is why most people cant get this to work, ( I think). 7. Now push your new desktop icons out to all users 8. mission accomplished! If anyone wants i can email you our school ftp site,& Ill up these rpms to the ftp site,so you will have identical rpm's to the ones I have,to download these rpms, wine, xdialog/winetools,,if you dont want to fish/search for them Hope this might help out some poor soul, like me:) Take care, Barry From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sat Jan 28 19:09:29 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:09:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] CrossOver Office - NWEA Testing Message-ID: <1138475369.7998.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, For those that do NWEA (Northwest Evaluation Association) testing, have any of you been able to get the program installed onto Linux with CrossOver office or any other program? I know Wine won't work with their program. Thanks. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5452 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 From jwhite at codeweavers.com Sat Jan 28 20:08:30 2006 From: jwhite at codeweavers.com (Jeremy White) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:08:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] CrossOver Office - NWEA Testing In-Reply-To: <1138475369.7998.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1138475369.7998.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43DBCF3E.8010506@codeweavers.com> Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > For those that do NWEA (Northwest Evaluation Association) testing, have > any of you been able to get the program installed onto Linux with > CrossOver office or any other program? I know Wine won't work with their > program. Thanks. For the record, NWEA is something we would like to get working; we just need a few of you guys to band together and nudge us into it. Cheers, Jeremy From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Jan 28 21:27:19 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 16:27:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba and LDAP integration questions In-Reply-To: <1138436920.1425.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1138415517.25580.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <1138436920.1425.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, January 28, 2006 at 3:28 AM +0000 wrote: >Yep. I'm pretty sure I have this sorted. Would you just mount the >users home directory on the K12LTSP servers via NFS when it boots up or >have a more dynamic mount when the user logs in? Do you usually assign >the students with the same Group ID? Mount on startup (boot)....otherwise login can never happen. Home directory needs to be in place to login or you'll get a gazillion errors. As for group ID....yes...I do, but you don't have to....depends on how you wnat everything to be organized. In the smbldap-installer scripts there are provisions for creating different containers for different "class" groups....example...by graduation year...grade level...etc. Another note: Even though smbldap-installer utilizes Samba alongside LDAP doesn't mean you have to use Samba....if I were you....try and experiment with both FDS and smbldap-installer and find out what works best for you As for Samba in FDS...see this http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Howto:Samba if you do this...let us all know how it goes :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Sat Jan 28 22:39:44 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 16:39:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba and LDAP integration questions In-Reply-To: References: <1138415517.25580.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <1138436920.1425.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1138487984.5810.17.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2006-01-28 at 15:27, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Saturday, January 28, 2006 at 3:28 AM +0000 wrote: > >Yep. I'm pretty sure I have this sorted. Would you just mount the > >users home directory on the K12LTSP servers via NFS when it boots up or > >have a more dynamic mount when the user logs in? Do you usually assign > >the students with the same Group ID? > > Mount on startup (boot)....otherwise login can never happen. Home > directory needs to be in place to login or you'll get a gazillion errors. The automounter can be used to mount directories on access but it doesn't make too much sense to use it for this compared to just mounting /home. It might if you come up with a way to specify the home directory in LDAP so homes could be distributed over several servers. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Sun Jan 29 00:09:45 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:09:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] allowing users to write to CDs in server Message-ID: <43DC07C9.3060600@maltzen.net> How do I allow users to write to the CD-burner in the server? Nautilus has a 'CD/DVD creator' under the Places menu, but when a regular user then selects 'Write to disk' under the file menu, it just keeps asking for a disk in the CD drive even though there's already one there. I changed the permissions to setuid for root for /usr/bin/cdrecord, but to no avail. If I log in as root, it works, but the uses want to be able create their own CDs. (These are all adults so I'm not worried about them behaving themselves.) Petre From julian_yap at yahoo.com Sun Jan 29 02:46:51 2006 From: julian_yap at yahoo.com (Julian Yap) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 16:46:51 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba and LDAP integration questions In-Reply-To: References: <1138415517.25580.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <1138436920.1425.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1138502811.6506.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-01-28 at 16:27 -0500, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Saturday, January 28, 2006 at 3:28 AM +0000 wrote: > >Yep. I'm pretty sure I have this sorted. Would you just mount the > >users home directory on the K12LTSP servers via NFS when it boots up or > >have a more dynamic mount when the user logs in? Do you usually assign > >the students with the same Group ID? > > Mount on startup (boot)....otherwise login can never happen. Home > directory needs to be in place to login or you'll get a gazillion errors. Yes, that made the most sense to me. Hearing about 'automounter' had me confused. > As for group ID....yes...I do, but you don't have to....depends on how you > wnat everything to be organized. > > In the smbldap-installer scripts there are provisions for creating > different containers for different "class" groups....example...by > graduation year...grade level...etc. Yep, our discussion today led to talk on organization of groups and so forth and how it is done currently on only the K12LTSP/Linux side. This will need to be further planned. I'll check out how smbldap-installer has theirs set out. Our plan is to take this total solution to many schools so it should be something pretty standard across the board. > Another note: Even though smbldap-installer utilizes Samba alongside LDAP > doesn't mean you have to use Samba....if I were you....try and experiment > with both FDS and smbldap-installer and find out what works best for you > > As for Samba in FDS...see this > http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Howto:Samba if you do this...let > us all know how it goes :-) Yep, I took a read of that wiki entry last night. It was very helpful and I'll be testing it out ASAP. I'll keep you all posted. - Julian http://julianyap.com From scott at hosef.org Sun Jan 29 07:54:13 2006 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 21:54:13 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Banding Together to Create Market Forces Message-ID: <43DC74A5.70109@hosef.org> As this list grows and as FOSS installations reach more and more academic markets, we will be FOOLS not band together to create market forces. We just read Jeremy tell Paul "we just need a few of you guys to band together and nudge us into it." Rhetorically speaking, how many of you need this program and have either written or now plan to write Jeremy? He just made it clear; your *market* feedback counts. Guess what the Pearson sales team told me about running NovaNet on Linux? "I am sure that if we heard from enough school districts asking for it, we'd make it happen. We'd have to." Since he has only heard from me, he is happy to see HOSEF try to make it work with CrossOver Office. There are really nice, well-meaning, but overwhelmed sales teams all over the education marketplace. The need more money for their commissions. Now. When you are the first to call, explain the potential size of your sale, and emphasize your need for their product to run on Linux, you get attention. When you are the 10th, you are part of trend. When you are the 20th, you may have just cemented change. --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/Executive Director The Hawai`i Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 392 Kailua, HI 96734 808.689.6518 phone/fax scott at hosef.org From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Sun Jan 29 09:18:40 2006 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 04:18:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 cannot authenicate to LDAP from GDM login Message-ID: I just installed LTSP 4.4.1 I cannot login through GDM with LDAP account. The home drive shared through NFS on another server. I setup LDAP with the Authentication app in GNOME. I can ssh in with no problems and access the home directory with no problems. Any Ideas? -Glenn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sun Jan 29 11:02:23 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 06:02:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *Everyone Please Read - Banding Together to Create Market Forces* In-Reply-To: <43DC74A5.70109@hosef.org> References: <43DC74A5.70109@hosef.org> Message-ID: <1138532543.9267.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Scott and All, I agree. We do need to start banding together. Not just as an educational community as a whole, but as small educational groups as well. It would be great for us to share what programs we each use at our schools on a listserv such as this or on a website. For example, let's suppose we have a website. On that website can be educational programs and testing applications that schools and school districts use. You hyperlink the name of the program/testing software. In my example we'll use the NWEA testing. So you click on the NWEA testing and a list of all school districts/schools that use NWEA will pop up. I now have a list of all the educational organizations that use this program and would potentially like to see it ported to Linux. With that, then you have your educational group that can push and report it to vendors like CrossOver office. This reference could also be valuable to vendors as they can visit and see what programs are in high demand for Linux production. Without something like OpenSource/Linux Educational Groups then we stand less of a chance of seeing programs we would like to see produced for Linux a reality. Anyone and everyone. Let me know if this is something you feel that would be beneficial. I will be purchasing a website so that we can start banding together and listing programs we use. I believe it would be an invaluable resource on many levels. Give me feedback please. Thanks. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 On Sat, 2006-01-28 at 21:54 -1000, R. Scott Belford wrote: > As this list grows and as FOSS installations reach more and more > academic markets, we will be FOOLS not band together to create market > forces. We just read Jeremy tell Paul "we just need a few of you guys > to band together and nudge us into it." Rhetorically speaking, how many > of you need this program and have either written or now plan to write > Jeremy? He just made it clear; your *market* feedback counts. > > Guess what the Pearson sales team told me about running NovaNet on > Linux? "I am sure that if we heard from enough school districts asking > for it, we'd make it happen. We'd have to." Since he has only heard > from me, he is happy to see HOSEF try to make it work with CrossOver Office. > > There are really nice, well-meaning, but overwhelmed sales teams all > over the education marketplace. The need more money for their > commissions. Now. When you are the first to call, explain the > potential size of your sale, and emphasize your need for their product > to run on Linux, you get attention. When you are the 10th, you are part > of trend. When you are the 20th, you may have just cemented change. > > --scott > > > > > > > > > From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sun Jan 29 14:17:51 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:17:51 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] CrossOver Office - NWEA Testing Message-ID: <60008.70.96.72.124.1138544271.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Paul, Scroll down in this listserve a few lines on my "howto" on getting Accelerated Reader/Math, Star Reader/Math to work. I did end up using CXOffice to get these installed but after many hours of tweaking,getting them to install correctly under wine as well. I think lots of schools has this older softwares,that they have dumped a lot of money into licensing/product and want to utilize it. For the 70$ for cxoffce-pro,it does generate nice Start menu stuff,for each program, as well as installing programs globally or only for certain users but is not neccessary. Matter of fact these programs seem to run much smoother under Wine/CXOffice than they ever did in Winders! You dont have the file locking isssue,etc.This was kind of a big hurdle being able to use these four programs that the teachers are used to using even though K12LTSP of course has similar programs, that would do just as well. Just for kicks,if youd like to, up your program(s), to your school ftp server. I can install them & see if i can get it to run on Wine or cxoffice and give you results. I did "repackge" all four of our programs,before installing through wine,so i got the desired icons showing for students like I liked them to be,with an installer we have. Just a thought,, Take Care, Barry Cisna From jam at mcquil.com Sun Jan 29 14:42:19 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:42:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Banding Together to Create Market Forces In-Reply-To: <43DC74A5.70109@hosef.org> References: <43DC74A5.70109@hosef.org> Message-ID: <38816.192.168.254.254.1138545739.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Scott, This kind of reminds me of an old Arlo Guthrie song we hear every year around thanksgiving. Take a look at this link, and search down for the paragraph near the bottom that starts with "And friends". It's almost near the bottom, so it's probably easier to go to the end and scroll up a page or so: http://www.arlo.net/lyrics/alices.shtml Enjoy, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > As this list grows and as FOSS installations reach more and more > academic markets, we will be FOOLS not band together to create market > forces. We just read Jeremy tell Paul "we just need a few of you guys > to band together and nudge us into it." Rhetorically speaking, how many > of you need this program and have either written or now plan to write > Jeremy? He just made it clear; your *market* feedback counts. > > Guess what the Pearson sales team told me about running NovaNet on > Linux? "I am sure that if we heard from enough school districts asking > for it, we'd make it happen. We'd have to." Since he has only heard > from me, he is happy to see HOSEF try to make it work with CrossOver > Office. > > There are really nice, well-meaning, but overwhelmed sales teams all > over the education marketplace. The need more money for their > commissions. Now. When you are the first to call, explain the > potential size of your sale, and emphasize your need for their product > to run on Linux, you get attention. When you are the 10th, you are part > of trend. When you are the 20th, you may have just cemented change. > > --scott > > > > > > > > > > -- > R. Scott Belford > Founder/Executive Director > The Hawai`i Open Source Education Foundation > PO Box 392 > Kailua, HI 96734 > 808.689.6518 phone/fax > scott at hosef.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From wolfravenous at gmail.com Sun Jan 29 15:16:09 2006 From: wolfravenous at gmail.com (Steve Hampton) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:16:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Attempting to Setup SATA RAID Message-ID: Hi, Here is where I am at, I have tried swaping cables, but that didn't help. I have researched this using your guys links enough to now that know I do not have a real hardware RAID controllor built into my MoBo. I have a "fake" raid controller that simulates hardware raid through software in the bios. I want to go ahead and setup a true software raid but now I have new problems. If I have both drives connnected, the machine won't boot. I need the machine to boot up with both drives attached so that I can set up a true software RAID. If I try to turn off the SATA controller in the Bios then the machine doesn't see the Hard drive and returns a nice No operating system found message. Any clues as to how I might work around this. Thanks for your help so far, at least now I know that this MoBo stinks (Intel SVB7505) and I will not every reccommend this model to anyone else for use on a Linux system, hehe. Steven Hampton -- Open Source, The Right Thing To Do! From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Sun Jan 29 16:23:02 2006 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:23:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] *Everyone Please Read - Banding Together to Create Market Forces* In-Reply-To: <1138532543.9267.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43DC74A5.70109@hosef.org> <1138532543.9267.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43DCEBE6.1060103@earthlink.net> I know our school wants to use this testing, but we have been unable to get started with it because of our k12ltsp network issues. We are a part of a small schools initiative that is already using the testing, this is going to be a pressing issue. We have been thinking of installing a windows lab just to accomodate the testing, but have been unable to come up with the money. We have 350 student k-12 school, put our school on your list Paul. Rita Gibson RMSEL Denver, CO Paul VanGundy wrote: > Scott and All, > > I agree. We do need to start banding together. Not just as an > educational community as a whole, but as small educational groups as > well. It would be great for us to share what programs we each use at our > schools on a listserv such as this or on a website. > > For example, let's suppose we have a website. On that website can be > educational programs and testing applications that schools and school > districts use. You hyperlink the name of the program/testing software. > In my example we'll use the NWEA testing. So you click on the NWEA > testing and a list of all school districts/schools that use NWEA will > pop up. I now have a list of all the educational organizations that use > this program and would potentially like to see it ported to Linux. With > that, then you have your educational group that can push and report it > to vendors like CrossOver office. This reference could also be valuable > to vendors as they can visit and see what programs are in high demand > for Linux production. > > Without something like OpenSource/Linux Educational Groups then we stand > less of a chance of seeing programs we would like to see produced for > Linux a reality. > > Anyone and everyone. Let me know if this is something you feel that > would be beneficial. I will be purchasing a website so that we can start > banding together and listing programs we use. I believe it would be an > invaluable resource on many levels. Give me feedback please. Thanks. > > -Paul > From rmcdaniel at indata.us Sun Jan 29 16:21:55 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:21:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] *Everyone Please Read - Banding Together to Create Market Forces* Message-ID: <20060129092155.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.4119d0fdfd.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Count me in! Our school system is located in South Alabam and is one of the poorest counties in the state. We have 6 schools in our system. I am pretty fortunate to have complete say in what we roll out in technology. OpenOffice is an easy sell when I position it as a program that students can take home and use without any cost. I am setting up labs in every school using thinclients and LTSP and installing research stations in our libraries. I plan on doing a press release soon on our latest lab. It looks really good and the school is very excited about using the lab and the software that will be available. I still haven't found any nice banners/wall candy to purchase that promotes OpenSource and K12LTSP. If anyone knows of something, please let me know. Sincerely, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] *Everyone Please Read - Banding Together to Create > Market Forces* > From: Paul VanGundy > Date: Sun, January 29, 2006 5:02 am > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > Scott and All, > > I agree. We do need to start banding together. Not just as an > educational community as a whole, but as small educational groups as > well. It would be great for us to share what programs we each use at our > schools on a listserv such as this or on a website. > > For example, let's suppose we have a website. On that website can be > educational programs and testing applications that schools and school > districts use. You hyperlink the name of the program/testing software. > In my example we'll use the NWEA testing. So you click on the NWEA > testing and a list of all school districts/schools that use NWEA will > pop up. I now have a list of all the educational organizations that use > this program and would potentially like to see it ported to Linux. With > that, then you have your educational group that can push and report it > to vendors like CrossOver office. This reference could also be valuable > to vendors as they can visit and see what programs are in high demand > for Linux production. > > Without something like OpenSource/Linux Educational Groups then we stand > less of a chance of seeing programs we would like to see produced for > Linux a reality. > > Anyone and everyone. Let me know if this is something you feel that > would be beneficial. I will be purchasing a website so that we can start > banding together and listing programs we use. I believe it would be an > invaluable resource on many levels. Give me feedback please. Thanks. > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > > On Sat, 2006-01-28 at 21:54 -1000, R. Scott Belford wrote: > > As this list grows and as FOSS installations reach more and more > > academic markets, we will be FOOLS not band together to create market > > forces. We just read Jeremy tell Paul "we just need a few of you guys > > to band together and nudge us into it." Rhetorically speaking, how many > > of you need this program and have either written or now plan to write > > Jeremy? He just made it clear; your *market* feedback counts. > > > > Guess what the Pearson sales team told me about running NovaNet on > > Linux? "I am sure that if we heard from enough school districts asking > > for it, we'd make it happen. We'd have to." Since he has only heard > > from me, he is happy to see HOSEF try to make it work with CrossOver Office. > > > > There are really nice, well-meaning, but overwhelmed sales teams all > > over the education marketplace. The need more money for their > > commissions. Now. When you are the first to call, explain the > > potential size of your sale, and emphasize your need for their product > > to run on Linux, you get attention. When you are the 10th, you are part > > of trend. When you are the 20th, you may have just cemented change. > > > > --scott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sun Jan 29 16:50:16 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:50:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Attempting to Setup SATA RAID In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Most of these "fake" RAID controlers have an option to use them for just plain disks too, besides RAID mode or totally disabled. On Jan 29, 2006, at 9:16 AM, Steve Hampton wrote: > Hi, > > Here is where I am at, I have tried swaping cables, but that didn't > help. I have researched this using your guys links enough to now that > know I do not have a real hardware RAID controllor built into my MoBo. > I have a "fake" raid controller that simulates hardware raid through > software in the bios. I want to go ahead and setup a true software > raid but now I have new problems. > > If I have both drives connnected, the machine won't boot. I need the > machine to boot up with both drives attached so that I can set up a > true software RAID. If I try to turn off the SATA controller in the > Bios then the machine doesn't see the Hard drive and returns a nice No > operating system found message. Any clues as to how I might work > around this. Thanks for your help so far, at least now I know that > this MoBo stinks (Intel SVB7505) and I will not every reccommend this > model to anyone else for use on a Linux system, hehe. > > Steven Hampton > -- > Open Source, The Right Thing To Do! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From robark at gmail.com Sun Jan 29 17:03:33 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:03:33 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Attempting to Setup SATA RAID In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 1/29/06, Steve Hampton wrote: > > If I have both drives connnected, the machine won't boot. I need the > machine to boot up with both drives attached so that I can set up a > true software RAID. If I try to turn off the SATA controller in the > Bios then the machine doesn't see the Hard drive and returns a nice No > operating system found message. Not sure about your bios sata settings but try to disable the raid feature. Usually called "Host Raid". -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Sun Jan 29 17:36:57 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:36:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Banding Together to Create Market Forces In-Reply-To: <43DC74A5.70109@hosef.org> References: <43DC74A5.70109@hosef.org> Message-ID: On 1/28/06, R. Scott Belford wrote: > There are really nice, well-meaning, but overwhelmed sales teams all > over the education marketplace. The need more money for their > commissions. Now. When you are the first to call, explain the > potential size of your sale, and emphasize your need for their product > to run on Linux, you get attention. When you are the 10th, you are part > of trend. When you are the 20th, you may have just cemented change. One step towards making this happen is a comprehensive list of all schools in the world using Linux (LTSP or variants). We need to decide what school info should be included (eg number of students, Linux adoption date, contact info, etc..). At the end of the list a summary of (# of schools, # students, # countries, etc..) This list needs to be updated every few months (max 6 months). Showing such a list of prospective customers will have weight. The http://www.frappr.com/k12ltsp is useful but it does not show all dots by default and has no formal info on each dot. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sun Jan 29 18:39:12 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:39:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Banding Together to Create Market Forces In-Reply-To: References: <43DC74A5.70109@hosef.org> Message-ID: <1138559953.24653.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Robert, Exactly. Hence why I will start creating a website for such things. To create Linux Educational Groups (a working title). -Paul On Sun, 2006-01-29 at 09:36 -0800, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 1/28/06, R. Scott Belford wrote: > > There are really nice, well-meaning, but overwhelmed sales teams all > > over the education marketplace. The need more money for their > > commissions. Now. When you are the first to call, explain the > > potential size of your sale, and emphasize your need for their product > > to run on Linux, you get attention. When you are the 10th, you are part > > of trend. When you are the 20th, you may have just cemented change. > > One step towards making this happen is a comprehensive list of all > schools in the world using Linux (LTSP or variants). We need to decide > what school info should be included (eg number of students, Linux > adoption date, contact info, etc..). At the end of the list a summary > of (# of schools, # students, # countries, etc..) This list needs to > be updated every few months (max 6 months). Showing such a list of > prospective customers will have weight. The > http://www.frappr.com/k12ltsp is useful but it does not show all dots > by default and has no formal info on each dot. > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Sun Jan 29 20:02:29 2006 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:02:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] scripting trash removal In-Reply-To: <43DA64DC.6070207@msad3.org> References: <43DA64DC.6070207@msad3.org> Message-ID: <1138564950.3616.5.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 13:22 -0500, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Dave was nice to send me this for clearing cache > > !#/bin/bash > for x in `ls /home`; do > echo "Doing $x ..." > cd /home/${x}/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/Cache > rm -Rf * > done > > Ok that works just fine. Soooo, If that works for cache, with a little > mod like this > > !#/bin/bash > for x in `ls /home`; do > echo "Doing $x ..." > cd /home/${x}/.Trash > rm -Rf * > done You've probably already considered this but just in case: Deleting cache files should be relatively transparent to an end-user (It affects their performance somewhat but they shouldn't lose data.) Deleting the contents on .Trash is unexpectedly circumventing the way the Trash works (to be able to recover deleted files.) If you hadn't already considered that, you might want to implement aging of the Trash (like the tmpwatch program for /tmp) or user quotas (so the user has to empty the Trash themselves in order to stay under quota.) -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Soooo, If that works for cache, with a little >> mod like this >> >> !#/bin/bash >> for x in `ls /home`; do >> echo "Doing $x ..." >> cd /home/${x}/.Trash >> rm -Rf * >> done > > You've probably already considered this but just in case: > > Deleting cache files should be relatively transparent to an end-user (It > affects their performance somewhat but they shouldn't lose data.) > Deleting the contents on .Trash is unexpectedly circumventing the way > the Trash works (to be able to recover deleted files.) > > If you hadn't already considered that, you might want to implement aging > of the Trash (like the tmpwatch program for /tmp) or user quotas (so the > user has to empty the Trash themselves in order to stay under quota.) > > -Toshio That's a good point. However, the vast majority of users do not use their Trash (or Recycle Bin) correctly at all. I'm sure many in here can recount numerous times where they found a user with a couple of gigs of general rubbish in their trash. Most people delete stuff and never ever empty. Yeah, there was that one lady who freaked when I emptied her trash (it's almost a nervous habit for me when sitting down at a desktop). Apparently she was actually using it as a folder to store stuff. D'oh! Mike From julian_yap at yahoo.com Sun Jan 29 20:30:53 2006 From: julian_yap at yahoo.com (Julian Yap) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:30:53 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 cannot authenicate to LDAP from GDM login In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1138566653.9176.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2006-01-29 at 04:18 -0500, Glenn Arnold wrote: > I just installed LTSP 4.4.1 I cannot login through GDM with LDAP > account. The home drive shared through NFS on another server. I > setup LDAP with the Authentication app in GNOME. I can ssh in with no > problems and access the home directory with no problems. Any Ideas? > > -Glenn Do you mean you are able to SSH in perfectly fine as a user in your LDAP directory? The users home directory is then the correct home directory (shared through NFS)? Setting up Authentication through Gnome then writes the PAM rules to the file /etc/pam.d/system-auth (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Can you email to the list the contents of this file on your LTSP server? - Julian From mpribik at zoznam.sk Sun Jan 29 22:20:14 2006 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:20:14 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Change globaly Firefox Home page Message-ID: <000a01c62522$2e2f10b0$0500a8c0@Marian> Hello is it possible to set up centrally for all users default web home page? I supposed that I could find it somewhere in /usr/lib/firefox-1.5/greprefs/all.js, but I can not find the proper place. Current default Web home page is www.google.com. Can somebody guide me how to change it to another? Thank you. Marian. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Sun Jan 29 22:32:27 2006 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:32:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 cannot authenicate to LDAP from GDM login Message-ID: Yes, I mean that I am able to connect to the remote home directory through NFS and see the user folder contents with ldap, but I can not login through GDM. Here is my system-auth contents. #%PAM-1.0 # This file is auto-generated. # User changes will be destroyed the next time authconfig is run. auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_env.so auth sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so likeauth nullok auth sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so use_first_pass auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_deny.so account required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so broken_shadow account sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_succeed_if.so uid < 100 quiet account [default=bad success=ok user_unknown=ignore] /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so account required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_permit.so password requisite /lib/security/$ISA/pam_cracklib.so retry=3 password sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so nullok use_authtok md5 shadow password sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so use_authtok password required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_deny.so session required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_limits.so session required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so session optional /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so "system-auth" 21L, 1120C Thanks -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Julian Yap [mailto:julian_yap at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 3:31 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 cannot authenicate to LDAP from GDM login On Sun, 2006-01-29 at 04:18 -0500, Glenn Arnold wrote: > I just installed LTSP 4.4.1 I cannot login through GDM with LDAP > account. The home drive shared through NFS on another server. I > setup LDAP with the Authentication app in GNOME. I can ssh in with no > problems and access the home directory with no problems. Any Ideas? > > -Glenn Do you mean you are able to SSH in perfectly fine as a user in your LDAP directory? The users home directory is then the correct home directory (shared through NFS)? Setting up Authentication through Gnome then writes the PAM rules to the file /etc/pam.d/system-auth (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Can you email to the list the contents of this file on your LTSP server? - Julian _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From robark at gmail.com Sun Jan 29 23:06:29 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:06:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Change globaly Firefox Home page In-Reply-To: <000a01c62522$2e2f10b0$0500a8c0@Marian> References: <000a01c62522$2e2f10b0$0500a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: On 1/29/06, M.Pribik wrote: > > Hello > is it possible to set up centrally for all users default web home page? I > supposed that I could find > it somewhere in /usr/lib/firefox-1.5/greprefs/all.js, but I can not find > the proper place. Current default > Web home page is www.google.com. I would like to know how to do this also. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Sun Jan 29 23:28:39 2006 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:28:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 cannot authenicate to LDAP from GDM login Message-ID: A little more research on how to troubleshoot this problem here is website I used there troubleshooting techniques. http://www.ldapguru.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2793&forum= 6&post_id=8373#forumpost8373 I know ldap is working, because I can run the following command: ldapsearch -x -LLL -h ldap1.example.com And I can see all the LDAP users. I know when I login as root I can goto home and see all the user from the remote servers nfs share. I need to get this resolve tonight or my K12LTSP project at this school might get the axe. Thanks -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Arnold Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 5:32 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 cannot authenicate to LDAP from GDM login Yes, I mean that I am able to connect to the remote home directory through NFS and see the user folder contents with ldap, but I can not login through GDM. Here is my system-auth contents. #%PAM-1.0 # This file is auto-generated. # User changes will be destroyed the next time authconfig is run. auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_env.so auth sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so likeauth nullok auth sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so use_first_pass auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_deny.so account required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so broken_shadow account sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_succeed_if.so uid < 100 quiet account [default=bad success=ok user_unknown=ignore] /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so account required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_permit.so password requisite /lib/security/$ISA/pam_cracklib.so retry=3 password sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so nullok use_authtok md5 shadow password sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so use_authtok password required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_deny.so session required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_limits.so session required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so session optional /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so "system-auth" 21L, 1120C Thanks -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Julian Yap [mailto:julian_yap at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 3:31 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 cannot authenicate to LDAP from GDM login On Sun, 2006-01-29 at 04:18 -0500, Glenn Arnold wrote: > I just installed LTSP 4.4.1 I cannot login through GDM with LDAP > account. The home drive shared through NFS on another server. I > setup LDAP with the Authentication app in GNOME. I can ssh in with no > problems and access the home directory with no problems. Any Ideas? > > -Glenn Do you mean you are able to SSH in perfectly fine as a user in your LDAP directory? The users home directory is then the correct home directory (shared through NFS)? Setting up Authentication through Gnome then writes the PAM rules to the file /etc/pam.d/system-auth (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Can you email to the list the contents of this file on your LTSP server? - Julian _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Jan 29 23:34:17 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:34:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Change globaly Firefox Home page In-Reply-To: <000a01c62522$2e2f10b0$0500a8c0@Marian> References: <000a01c62522$2e2f10b0$0500a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, M.Pribik wrote: > Hello > is it possible to set up centrally for all users default web home page? I supposed that I could find > it somewhere in /usr/lib/firefox-1.5/greprefs/all.js, but I can not find the proper place. Current default > Web home page is www.google.com. > Can somebody guide me how to change it to another? > Thank you. > Marian. > The easy way, if you are running K12LTSP 4.4 or later, is to use sabayon. If it is installed, you'll find it in the System menu -> Administration -> User Profile Editor. It is pretty straight-forward to use, create a new profile which will pop open a window with a default desktop inside of it. Make your edits (i.e. open up firefox and change the default homepage) and exit. Then click on the User button and select either "Use this profile for all users" or for specific users if you prefer. Good idea to test it out on a single account first ;-) If you don't see "User Profile Editor" in the System->Administration menu, this will make sure it is installed: yum install sabayon sabayon-admin If you are running a version of K12LTSP older than 4.4.x, the patch I use to set the home page in my packages ends up changing the file /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.7/chrome/en-US.jar ... # firefox.js -browser.startup.homepage=file:///usr/share/doc/HTML/index.html +browser.startup.homepage=http://www.google.com #config.js -startup.homepage_override_url=file:///usr/share/doc/HTML/index.html +startup.homepage_override_url=http://www.google.com -Eric From robark at gmail.com Sun Jan 29 23:52:44 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:52:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Change globaly Firefox Home page In-Reply-To: References: <000a01c62522$2e2f10b0$0500a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: On 1/29/06, Eric Harrison wrote: ... > /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.7/chrome/en-US.jar ... > > > # firefox.js > -browser.startup.homepage=file:///usr/share/doc/HTML/index.html > +browser.startup.homepage=http://www.google.com > > #config.js > -startup.homepage_override_url=file:///usr/share/doc/HTML/index.html > +startup.homepage_override_url=http://www.google.com Thanks Eric. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From cliebow at midmaine.com Mon Jan 30 01:32:59 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:32:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 cannot authenicate to LDAP from GDM login In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42896.70.33.151.214.1138584779.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Glenn: maybe you should stop in #ltsp on freenode.net irc lots of smart people hang there..So do i..chuck > - From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jan 30 01:48:28 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:48:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 cannot authenicate to LDAP from GDM login In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Glenn Arnold wrote: > A little more research on how to troubleshoot this problem here is > website I used there troubleshooting techniques. > http://www.ldapguru.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2793&forum= > 6&post_id=8373#forumpost8373 > I know ldap is working, because I can run the following command: > ldapsearch -x -LLL -h ldap1.example.com > And I can see all the LDAP users. I know when I login as root I can > goto home and see all the user from the remote servers nfs share. I > need to get this resolve tonight or my K12LTSP project at this school > might get the axe. > > Thanks > -Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Arnold > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 5:32 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 cannot authenicate to LDAP from GDM > login > > Yes, I mean that I am able to connect to the remote home directory > through NFS and see the user folder contents with ldap, but I can not > login through GDM. Here is my system-auth contents. > > #%PAM-1.0 > # This file is auto-generated. > # User changes will be destroyed the next time authconfig is run. > auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_env.so > auth sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so likeauth nullok > auth sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so use_first_pass > auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_deny.so > > account required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so broken_shadow > account sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_succeed_if.so uid < 100 > quiet > account [default=bad success=ok user_unknown=ignore] > /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so > account required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_permit.so > > password requisite /lib/security/$ISA/pam_cracklib.so retry=3 > password sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so nullok > use_authtok md5 shadow > password sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so use_authtok > password required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_deny.so > > session required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_limits.so > session required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so > session optional /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so > "system-auth" 21L, 1120C > > Thanks > -Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Julian Yap [mailto:julian_yap at yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 3:31 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 cannot authenicate to LDAP from GDM > login > > On Sun, 2006-01-29 at 04:18 -0500, Glenn Arnold wrote: >> I just installed LTSP 4.4.1 I cannot login through GDM with LDAP >> account. The home drive shared through NFS on another server. I >> setup LDAP with the Authentication app in GNOME. I can ssh in with no >> problems and access the home directory with no problems. Any Ideas? >> >> -Glenn Here are a couple debugging tips. First, what is in the logs after a failed login? /var/log/messages, /var/log/secure, /var/log/audit/audit.log are most likely the interesting ones. There might be something of interest in /var/log/gdm/:0.log How I usually do this is ssh in a couple of times, running "tail -f /var/log/messages" in the first shell, "tail -f /var/log/secure" in the second, etc. Second, does "su" work? Log in as a user via ssh and run "su -l yourusername" (replace yourusername with your username, obviously ;-). It should prompt you for your password and if all is fine you'll just get another command prompt. Third, the only other files besides /etc/pam.d/system-auth (your system-auth file looks ok to me) is /etc/pam.d/gdm and /etc/ldap.conf /etc/pam.d/gdm should look like this: #%PAM-1.0 auth required pam_env.so auth required pam_stack.so service=system-auth auth required pam_nologin.so account required pam_stack.so service=system-auth password required pam_stack.so service=system-auth session required pam_stack.so service=system-auth session optional pam_console.so /etc/ldap.conf is filled full of comments. This command will extract just the juicy stuff, excluding the LDAP admin password if one is set (be sure to double check the output for anything sensitive!) grep -v ^\# /etc/ldap.conf | strings | grep -v bindpw The contents of this file vary depending on your configuration. Mine looks something like this: host ldap.mesd.k12.or.us base dc=mesd,dc=k12,dc=or,dc=us scope sub nss_base_passwd ou=staff,dc=mesd,dc=k12,dc=or,dc=us?sub nss_base_shadow ou=staff,dc=mesd,dc=k12,dc=or,dc=us?sub nss_base_group ou=groups,dc=mesd,dc=k12,dc=or,dc=us?sub ssl no pam_password md5 Finally, the "getent" command is very useful, it tells you what the system really thinks the valid passwd and group information is. getent passwd getent group -Eric From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Mon Jan 30 03:29:08 2006 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:29:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 cannot authenicate to LDAP from GDM login Message-ID: I figure out after searching through all ltsp e-mails in my mail box. For some reason Ubuntu ltsp did not require read access in LDAP for the login shell, so when I ran K12LTSP setup I was baffled that LDAP was the issue or the remote mount of the home directory from a NFS share. To get LDAP to work I had to add read rights to login shell property of Ldap then the logins through ldap started to work. I seen OS x ldap server posts and put two and two together. Thanks everyone for your help! -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Arnold Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 6:29 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 cannot authenicate to LDAP from GDM login A little more research on how to troubleshoot this problem here is website I used there troubleshooting techniques. http://www.ldapguru.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2793&forum= 6&post_id=8373#forumpost8373 I know ldap is working, because I can run the following command: ldapsearch -x -LLL -h ldap1.example.com And I can see all the LDAP users. I know when I login as root I can goto home and see all the user from the remote servers nfs share. I need to get this resolve tonight or my K12LTSP project at this school might get the axe. Thanks -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Arnold Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 5:32 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 cannot authenicate to LDAP from GDM login Yes, I mean that I am able to connect to the remote home directory through NFS and see the user folder contents with ldap, but I can not login through GDM. Here is my system-auth contents. #%PAM-1.0 # This file is auto-generated. # User changes will be destroyed the next time authconfig is run. auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_env.so auth sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so likeauth nullok auth sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so use_first_pass auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_deny.so account required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so broken_shadow account sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_succeed_if.so uid < 100 quiet account [default=bad success=ok user_unknown=ignore] /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so account required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_permit.so password requisite /lib/security/$ISA/pam_cracklib.so retry=3 password sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so nullok use_authtok md5 shadow password sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so use_authtok password required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_deny.so session required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_limits.so session required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so session optional /lib/security/$ISA/pam_ldap.so "system-auth" 21L, 1120C Thanks -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Julian Yap [mailto:julian_yap at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 3:31 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 cannot authenicate to LDAP from GDM login On Sun, 2006-01-29 at 04:18 -0500, Glenn Arnold wrote: > I just installed LTSP 4.4.1 I cannot login through GDM with LDAP > account. The home drive shared through NFS on another server. I > setup LDAP with the Authentication app in GNOME. I can ssh in with no > problems and access the home directory with no problems. Any Ideas? > > -Glenn Do you mean you are able to SSH in perfectly fine as a user in your LDAP directory? The users home directory is then the correct home directory (shared through NFS)? Setting up Authentication through Gnome then writes the PAM rules to the file /etc/pam.d/system-auth (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Can you email to the list the contents of this file on your LTSP server? - Julian _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From gumprechtm at msad3.org Mon Jan 30 13:52:36 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:52:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] scripting trash removal In-Reply-To: <43DD2022.4080702@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <43DA64DC.6070207@msad3.org> <1138564950.3616.5.camel@localhost> <43DD2022.4080702@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43DE1A24.4020207@msad3.org> I did consider that, But I have a backupPC running with 9 days of incrimental backups and 2 full backups, so it isn't anything I couldn;t pull back in two shakes (and the backup happens before the dump). Even though they are told to clear their cache and dump their trash, I still get trouble tickets in my IRM ticket system that are the result of wacking their quota because of cache and trash. Mark Mike Ely wrote: > Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > >> On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 13:22 -0500, Mark Gumprecht wrote: >> >>> Dave was nice to send me this for clearing cache >>> >>> !#/bin/bash >>> for x in `ls /home`; do >>> echo "Doing $x ..." >>> cd /home/${x}/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/Cache >>> rm -Rf * >>> done >>> >>> Ok that works just fine. Soooo, If that works for cache, with a >>> little mod like this >>> >>> !#/bin/bash >>> for x in `ls /home`; do >>> echo "Doing $x ..." >>> cd /home/${x}/.Trash >>> rm -Rf * >>> done >> >> >> You've probably already considered this but just in case: >> >> Deleting cache files should be relatively transparent to an end-user (It >> affects their performance somewhat but they shouldn't lose data.) >> Deleting the contents on .Trash is unexpectedly circumventing the way >> the Trash works (to be able to recover deleted files.) >> >> If you hadn't already considered that, you might want to implement aging >> of the Trash (like the tmpwatch program for /tmp) or user quotas (so the >> user has to empty the Trash themselves in order to stay under quota.) >> >> -Toshio > > > That's a good point. However, the vast majority of users do not use > their Trash (or Recycle Bin) correctly at all. I'm sure many in here > can recount numerous times where they found a user with a couple of > gigs of general rubbish in their trash. Most people delete stuff and > never ever empty. Yeah, there was that one lady who freaked when I > emptied her trash (it's almost a nervous habit for me when sitting > down at a desktop). Apparently she was actually using it as a folder > to store stuff. D'oh! > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From Rick.Schindler at stmary-cs.org Mon Jan 30 14:46:11 2006 From: Rick.Schindler at stmary-cs.org (Rick Schindler) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:46:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] accelerated reader /math works on K12LTSP-FC3 Message-ID: Thanks! >>> cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us 01/28/06 05:39AM >>> Hello List, Sorry I havent got back here to write a brief howto,on running Accelerated Reader/Math , Star Reader/Math on K12LTSP. What you need to do is download the following versions of Wine& winetools. ALso We purchased CrossOver Office-Pro/70$,?( but this is not necessary,in hind site.) The nice thing about CrossoverOffice is it does generate nice start menu items,transparently,,without having to script your own desktop launcher stuff. I was able to do program updates as well,with wine, just so you know. This software is very dated but the school i am at dumped alot of money into licenesing/product. You know the drill. If your school has all sorts of money to go through,, I think still the best shot is the Rennassaince Place they have out that does all your apps Webbrowsered. I tried several versions of Wine and seems all the versions I tried DID work. The one trouble area you will have with this is trying to install AccReader 6.35, then it trying to find the data. WE have AR 6.35, SR 1.23, AM 1.2, SM 1.2 --golden oldies..:) 1. First you need to do Samba mount on your existing alsdata folder on your windows box,so your linux server is pulling that share to it. You will then of course see the alsdata share folder on each users desktop. Now you have your data were Linux can use/see it:) 2. Install Wine & winetools as well. WInetools lets you install a few MSWindows core files,,and other stuff if you chose to.It has an uninstaller plugin as well for windows installed apps. 2. Wine version number we have is 20050111.rpm 2b. You will need xdialog to run winetools xdialog-2.1.1.rpm 2c. Winetools version winetools-2.1.1 3. after you have these installed simply copy your AR/AM/SR/SM cds to your linux HD 4. from a command line type in " winetools" 4a. install some the windows core package stuff( fonts , dcom,msi installer) which winetools will do for you, automagically. 5. Now click your setup.exe in each of your cd's you copyed to HD,and all should run/instal without a hitch With all your softwares installed go to your ~username/.wine/drive_C folder (that winetools will generate for you and find the actual path to the exe's.and create a desktop launcher, 6. You will go into the manager portion of each program,inititally and point your data location to your /mnt/alsdata folder to access the data. 6a. make sure you have your two data DAT & FPT index files in your alsdata root folder,or nothing will work!. This is why most people cant get this to work, ( I think). 7. Now push your new desktop icons out to all users 8. mission accomplished! If anyone wants i can email you our school ftp site,& Ill up these rpms to the ftp site,so you will have identical rpm's to the ones I have,to download these rpms, wine, xdialog/winetools,,if you dont want to fish/search for them Hope this might help out some poor soul, like me:) Take care, Barry _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From gumprechtm at msad3.org Mon Jan 30 15:05:44 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:05:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync 4.2.2el32bit Message-ID: <43DE2B48.7010607@msad3.org> Would it be beneficial (bandwidth&time)/possible to copy the 4.2.2el32bit isos, change the name to the 4.2.3el64bit, and then rsync or are the files too different? Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jan 30 15:56:54 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:56:54 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync 4.2.2el32bit In-Reply-To: <43DE2B48.7010607@msad3.org> References: <43DE2B48.7010607@msad3.org> Message-ID: <43DE3746.4050608@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Would it be beneficial (bandwidth&time)/possible to copy the > 4.2.2el32bit isos, change the name to the 4.2.3el64bit, and then rsync > or are the files too different? > Mark > Interesting question. I just checked, 4.2.2el32bit and 4.2.3el64bit share 912MB worth of packages. One issue is that the packages are likely on different discs, which won't save you bandwidth if you just rename the 4.2.2el32bit discs. If you have the disk space, I'd cat all of the 32bit isos into one file and make links for the other disks, then rsync. In other words: cat K12LTSP-4.2.2EL-32bit-disc* > K12LTSP-4.2.3EL-64bit-disc1.iso ln K12LTSP-4.2.3EL-64bit-disc1.iso K12LTSP-4.2.3EL-64bit-disc2.iso ln K12LTSP-4.2.3EL-64bit-disc1.iso K12LTSP-4.2.3EL-64bit-disc3.iso ln K12LTSP-4.2.3EL-64bit-disc1.iso K12LTSP-4.2.3EL-64bit-disc4.iso ln K12LTSP-4.2.3EL-64bit-disc1.iso K12LTSP-4.2.3EL-64bit-disc5.iso rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-EL-64bit/* . -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Jan 30 17:43:52 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:43:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 cannot authenicate to LDAP from GDM login In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sun Jan 29 2006 at 22:29 +0000 wrote: >I figure out after searching through all ltsp e-mails in my mail box. >For some reason Ubuntu ltsp did not require read access in LDAP for the >login shell, so when I ran K12LTSP setup I was baffled that LDAP was the >issue or the remote mount of the home directory from a NFS share. To >get LDAP to work I had to add read rights to login shell property of >Ldap then the logins through ldap started to work. I seen OS x ldap >server posts and put two and two together. > >Thanks everyone for your help! >-Glenn Just FYI...the smbldap-installer http://www.vcsvikings.org/smbldap works with Ubuntu now. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From john at coronet.co.uk Mon Jan 30 18:01:28 2006 From: john at coronet.co.uk (John Ingleby) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:01:28 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Banding Together to Create Market Forces In-Reply-To: <20060130170025.63485731A5@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060130170025.63485731A5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1138644089.31313.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:39:12 -0500 > From: Paul VanGundy > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Banding Together to Create Market Forces > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <1138559953.24653.0.camel at localhost.localdomain> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Robert, > > Exactly. Hence why I will start creating a website for such things. To > create Linux Educational Groups (a working title). To avoid duplicating effort you could maybe link to our site where we maintain a record of UK schools using FLOSS: http://www.schoolforge.org.uk/index.php/Case_Studies This list includes schools using OpenOffice.org on Windows machines, as well as those using Moodle, etc. So far as we know, only a few (maybe approaching 10) are using LTSP/K12LTSP. John Ingleby ************ Hon Secretary - Schoolforge-UK From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Jan 30 18:09:04 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:09:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43DE5640.5020906@inlandlakes.org> David Trask wrote: > Just FYI...the smbldap-installer http://www.vcsvikings.org/smbldap > works with Ubuntu now. The link is broken. :( -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Jan 30 19:01:30 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:01:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer (FIXED LINK) In-Reply-To: <43DE5640.5020906@inlandlakes.org> References: <, > <,> <43DE5640.5020906@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, January 30, 2006 at 1:09 PM +0000 wrote: >http://www.vcsvikings.org/smbldap Whoops! Forgot part of the URL http://www.vcsvikings.org/linux/smbldap/ David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Jan 30 19:04:30 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:04:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer...supports Message-ID: smbldap installer currently supports: FC4, K12LTSP 4.4.1+, Ubuntu David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Jan 30 19:06:16 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:06:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer...supports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, January 30, 2006 at 2:04 PM +0000 wrote: >smbldap installer currently supports: >FC4, K12LTSP 4.4.1+, Ubuntu Documentation is here http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Director >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Jan 30 19:06:16 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:06:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer...supports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, January 30, 2006 at 2:04 PM +0000 wrote: >smbldap installer currently supports: >FC4, K12LTSP 4.4.1+, Ubuntu Documentation is here http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Director >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Mon Jan 30 19:25:43 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:25:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] server not forwarding packets for Windows clients Message-ID: <43DE6837.8080403@maltzen.net> I've got a k12ltsp server providing DHCP addresses to a bunch of Windows machines. The intent is to turn the Windows boxes into thin clients with Universal Boot Floppies(tm) or at least dual-boot systems. The server is a two-nic config, and I installed it this past weekend. But today, when people are back in the office, the Windows clients are getting addresses from the DHCP on the server, but any requests directed to the internet are not getting any response. I ran tracrert from a W2K box: it got as far as the server but no further. It's as if the server isn't forwarding any requests that come in eth1 to eth0. I turned off iptables, but that made no difference. It seems something is off in the routing/NAT'ing/masquerading, but what? Petre From les at futuresource.com Mon Jan 30 19:32:52 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:32:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] server not forwarding packets for Windows clients In-Reply-To: <43DE6837.8080403@maltzen.net> References: <43DE6837.8080403@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1138649572.9723.74.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 13:25, Petre Scheie wrote: > I've got a k12ltsp server providing DHCP addresses to a bunch of Windows machines. The > intent is to turn the Windows boxes into thin clients with Universal Boot Floppies(tm) > or at least dual-boot systems. The server is a two-nic config, and I installed it this > past weekend. But today, when people are back in the office, the Windows clients are > getting addresses from the DHCP on the server, but any requests directed to the internet > are not getting any response. I ran tracrert from a W2K box: it got as far as the > server but no further. It's as if the server isn't forwarding any requests that come in > eth1 to eth0. I turned off iptables, but that made no difference. It seems something > is off in the routing/NAT'ing/masquerading, but what? Does 'chkconfig --list nat' show that it is on in runlevel 5? If not, do: chkconfig nat on service nat start But I thought this should be enabled in a default k12ltsp install. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From petre at maltzen.net Mon Jan 30 20:54:38 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:54:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] server not forwarding packets for Windows clients In-Reply-To: <1138649572.9723.74.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <43DE6837.8080403@maltzen.net> <1138649572.9723.74.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <43DE7D0E.5080001@maltzen.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 13:25, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>I've got a k12ltsp server providing DHCP addresses to a bunch of Windows machines. The >>intent is to turn the Windows boxes into thin clients with Universal Boot Floppies(tm) >>or at least dual-boot systems. The server is a two-nic config, and I installed it this >>past weekend. But today, when people are back in the office, the Windows clients are >>getting addresses from the DHCP on the server, but any requests directed to the internet >>are not getting any response. I ran tracrert from a W2K box: it got as far as the >>server but no further. It's as if the server isn't forwarding any requests that come in >>eth1 to eth0. I turned off iptables, but that made no difference. It seems something >>is off in the routing/NAT'ing/masquerading, but what? > > > Does 'chkconfig --list nat' show that it is on in runlevel 5? > If not, do: > chkconfig nat on > service nat start > > But I thought this should be enabled in a default k12ltsp install. > I think it is. I built the server in my basement and successfully tested it with some thin clients; but I didn't try any Windows clients. But I think something else must be going on because when I logged in at the console, while I could ping things like google & yahoo, firefox had trouble with them: first it wouldn't load any thing, then after shutting it down and restarting it, it could bring up a google page, but not yahoo; shut it down and restart it again and google and yahoo are accessible, but not others. I ran 'host' on those & other websites and while I'd get an answer, I also got an error about the parser receiving misformatted data. In /etc/resolv.conf, there were two resolver addresses: the Linksys router, and the DNS server of the ISP. I commented out the Linksys address, and then 'host' didn't get any more errors, but users still couldn't connect to the internet. Here's how the network is layed out; it doesn't look like anything special to me. Internet-->ActionTec DSL bridge-->LinkSys Router w/wireless--> \ -->8-port switch-->K12ltsp-->24-port switch-->clients I suppose I could check for bad packets and cables. Any other ideas of things to look for? From petre at maltzen.net Mon Jan 30 21:12:58 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:12:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] allowing users to write to CDs in server In-Reply-To: <43DC07C9.3060600@maltzen.net> References: <43DC07C9.3060600@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43DE815A.1090105@maltzen.net> Answering my own question, it's just a matter of making /dev/hd* writeable by others. In my case, it means changing the permissions on /dev/hda from 750 to 777. Interestingly, the permissions revert back to 750 after reboot, though I don't know why. Petre Scheie wrote: > How do I allow users to write to the CD-burner in the server? Nautilus > has a 'CD/DVD creator' under the Places menu, but when a regular user > then selects 'Write to disk' under the file menu, it just keeps asking > for a disk in the CD drive even though there's already one there. I > changed the permissions to setuid for root for /usr/bin/cdrecord, but to > no avail. If I log in as root, it works, but the uses want to be able > create their own CDs. (These are all adults so I'm not worried about > them behaving themselves.) > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Mon Jan 30 21:35:28 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:35:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] scripting trash removal In-Reply-To: <43DD2022.4080702@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <43DA64DC.6070207@msad3.org> <1138564950.3616.5.camel@localhost> <43DD2022.4080702@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43DE86A0.7070904@maltzen.net> Mike Ely wrote: > Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > >> On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 13:22 -0500, Mark Gumprecht wrote: >> >>> Dave was nice to send me this for clearing cache >>> >>> !#/bin/bash >>> for x in `ls /home`; do >>> echo "Doing $x ..." >>> cd /home/${x}/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/Cache >>> rm -Rf * >>> done >>> >>> Ok that works just fine. Soooo, If that works for cache, with a >>> little mod like this >>> >>> !#/bin/bash >>> for x in `ls /home`; do >>> echo "Doing $x ..." >>> cd /home/${x}/.Trash >>> rm -Rf * >>> done >> >> >> You've probably already considered this but just in case: >> >> Deleting cache files should be relatively transparent to an end-user (It >> affects their performance somewhat but they shouldn't lose data.) >> Deleting the contents on .Trash is unexpectedly circumventing the way >> the Trash works (to be able to recover deleted files.) >> >> If you hadn't already considered that, you might want to implement aging >> of the Trash (like the tmpwatch program for /tmp) or user quotas (so the >> user has to empty the Trash themselves in order to stay under quota.) >> >> -Toshio > > > That's a good point. However, the vast majority of users do not use > their Trash (or Recycle Bin) correctly at all. I'm sure many in here > can recount numerous times where they found a user with a couple of gigs > of general rubbish in their trash. Most people delete stuff and never > ever empty. Yeah, there was that one lady who freaked when I emptied > her trash (it's almost a nervous habit for me when sitting down at a > desktop). Apparently she was actually using it as a folder to store > stuff. D'oh! > > Mike > Taking the above into consideration, how about this: !#/bin/bash for x in `ls /home`; do echo "Doing $x ..." find /home/${x}/.Trash -atime +30 -exec rm -f {}\; done This will search each user's ~/.Trash directory for files that have not been accessed for at least 30 days and delete any it finds. If a user has no .Trash directory, it just spits out an error. If you want to test it just to make sure it's going to remove the correct files, replace the 'rm -f' part with, say, 'ls -l' and it will just display the files. Once you're sure it will pick the correct files, change back to 'rm -f'. Petre From les at futuresource.com Mon Jan 30 21:45:29 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:45:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] server not forwarding packets for Windows clients In-Reply-To: <43DE7D0E.5080001@maltzen.net> References: <43DE6837.8080403@maltzen.net> <1138649572.9723.74.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <43DE7D0E.5080001@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1138657528.9723.86.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 14:54, Petre Scheie wrote: > > > > But I thought this should be enabled in a default k12ltsp install. > > > I think it is. I built the server in my basement and successfully tested it with some > thin clients; but I didn't try any Windows clients. But I think something else must be > going on because when I logged in at the console, while I could ping things like google > & yahoo, firefox had trouble with them: first it wouldn't load any thing, then after > shutting it down and restarting it, it could bring up a google page, but not yahoo; shut > it down and restart it again and google and yahoo are accessible, but not others. I ran > 'host' on those & other websites and while I'd get an answer, I also got an error about > the parser receiving misformatted data. In /etc/resolv.conf, there were two resolver > addresses: the Linksys router, and the DNS server of the ISP. I commented out the > Linksys address, and then 'host' didn't get any more errors, but users still couldn't > connect to the internet. Here's how the network is layed out; it doesn't look like > anything special to me. > > Internet-->ActionTec DSL bridge-->LinkSys Router w/wireless--> \ > > -->8-port switch-->K12ltsp-->24-port switch-->clients > > I suppose I could check for bad packets and cables. Any other ideas of things to look for? Try to separate the DNS issues from packet forwarding/NAT. The entries in /etc/resolv.conf are for DNS client lookups happening on the server itself. The server also runs a DNS server that is used by the machines 'behind' it - that is, the ones that obtain their settings via DHCP. You should be able to do a 'dig @localhost' on the server to see if the dns server is working and an 'nslookup some_internet_address' on a windows box behind it if so. If that is OK, then move on to the nat/forwarding. On the server: iptables --list -t nat should show Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination MASQUERADE all -- anywhere anywhere -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Mon Jan 30 21:48:08 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:48:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] allowing users to write to CDs in server In-Reply-To: <43DE815A.1090105@maltzen.net> References: <43DC07C9.3060600@maltzen.net> <43DE815A.1090105@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1138657688.9723.89.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 15:12, Petre Scheie wrote: > Answering my own question, it's just a matter of making /dev/hd* writeable by others. > In my case, it means changing the permissions on /dev/hda from 750 to 777. > Interestingly, the permissions revert back to 750 after reboot, though I don't know why. Recent systems use 'udev' and populate the /dev directory at boot time with only the devices that actually exist. If you need to make a persistent change, see 'man udev'. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From nadavkav at netvision.net.il Mon Jan 30 22:03:48 2006 From: nadavkav at netvision.net.il (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:03:48 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] bootsplash not showing In-Reply-To: <1138657688.9723.89.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <43DC07C9.3060600@maltzen.net> <43DE815A.1090105@maltzen.net> <1138657688.9723.89.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <200601310003.48396.nadavkav@netvision.net.il> Hi All :-) I've installed the special boot splash kernel from : http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/BootsplashPatch now, on booting i get "unknown mode..." and I'm presented with 8 mode choose dialog. which none of them boots into graphic tux. I've tried passing some mode params to the kernel using the dhcpd.conf file. but none worked. I'm using S3 + 2MB video cards on the terminals (CPU - P2 233MHz) which support vesa vga. any ideas ? kindly, Nadav :-) From scott at hosef.org Mon Jan 30 23:06:36 2006 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:06:36 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] server not forwarding packets for Windows clients In-Reply-To: <1138657528.9723.86.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <43DE6837.8080403@maltzen.net> <1138649572.9723.74.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <43DE7D0E.5080001@maltzen.net> <1138657528.9723.86.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <43DE9BFC.1010105@hosef.org> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 14:54, Petre Scheie wrote: >>> But I thought this should be enabled in a default k12ltsp install. >>> >> I think it is. I built the server in my basement and successfully tested it with some >> thin clients; but I didn't try any Windows clients. But I think something else must be >> going on because when I logged in at the console, while I could ping things like google >> & yahoo, firefox had trouble with them: first it wouldn't load any thing, then after >> shutting it down and restarting it, it could bring up a google page, but not yahoo; shut >> it down and restart it again and google and yahoo are accessible, but not others. I ran >> 'host' on those & other websites and while I'd get an answer, I also got an error about >> the parser receiving misformatted data. In /etc/resolv.conf, there were two resolver >> addresses: the Linksys router, and the DNS server of the ISP. I commented out the >> Linksys address, and then 'host' didn't get any more errors, but users still couldn't >> connect to the internet. Here's how the network is layed out; it doesn't look like >> anything special to me. >> >> Internet-->ActionTec DSL bridge-->LinkSys Router w/wireless--> \ >> >> -->8-port switch-->K12ltsp-->24-port switch-->clients >> >> I suppose I could check for bad packets and cables. Any other ideas of things to look for? > > Try to separate the DNS issues from packet forwarding/NAT. The > entries in /etc/resolv.conf are for DNS client lookups happening > on the server itself. The server also runs a DNS server that > is used by the machines 'behind' it - that is, the ones that > obtain their settings via DHCP. You should be able to do > a 'dig @localhost' on the server to see if the dns server > is working and an 'nslookup some_internet_address' on a windows > box behind it if so. If that is OK, then move on to the > nat/forwarding. On the server: > iptables --list -t nat > should show > Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT) > target prot opt source destination > MASQUERADE all -- anywhere anywhere > I believe that you will need to do this echo 1 >> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Then, edit your /etc/sysctl.conf and set the ip_forwarding variable to 1 so that it is enabled upon next reboot. --scott From wescott at sc.rr.com Tue Jan 31 01:31:09 2006 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:31:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Writing Math Equations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1138671069.31215.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-01-26 at 12:41 -0500, David Trask wrote: > I have a teacher who wants to be able to write math equations that set up > properly...just like in a textbook... Use what many textbooks use: LaTeX. I use it for homework occasionally, especially when the formulae get complex enough that cut/paste/edit in emacs is less error prone than writing it out by hand. There are macro sets for almost anything you might want to try. There are wysiwyg additions to emacs: whizzytex and texmacs (neither of which I've tried since the edit-save-preview cycle isn't onerous to me). Latex2html will do equations for web pages. Both emacs and TeX can be had for Macs. From les at futuresource.com Tue Jan 31 01:55:42 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:55:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] server not forwarding packets for Windows clients In-Reply-To: <43DE9BFC.1010105@hosef.org> References: <43DE6837.8080403@maltzen.net> <1138649572.9723.74.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <43DE7D0E.5080001@maltzen.net> <1138657528.9723.86.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <43DE9BFC.1010105@hosef.org> Message-ID: <1138672542.29229.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 17:06, R. Scott Belford wrote: > > > > I believe that you will need to do this > > echo 1 >> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward That happens in the /etc/rc.d/init.d/nat script. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Tue Jan 31 10:15:03 2006 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:15:03 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Banding Together to Create Market Forces In-Reply-To: <1138644089.31313.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060130170025.63485731A5@hormel.redhat.com> <1138644089.31313.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <96df2e0b0601310215i45c4800ah@mail.gmail.com> On 30/01/06, John Ingleby wrote: > To avoid duplicating effort you could maybe link to our site where we > maintain a record of UK schools using FLOSS: > http://www.schoolforge.org.uk/index.php/Case_Studies > > This list includes schools using OpenOffice.org on Windows machines, as > well as those using Moodle, etc. So far as we know, only a few (maybe > approaching 10) are using LTSP/K12LTSP. > > John Ingleby > ************ > Hon Secretary - Schoolforge-UK Can I suggest also speaking to the Karoshi team (www.karoshi.org.uk), who have schools administration packages. If you were to bundle in with them, they already have a series of customers who are schools, and may be able to provide you with more details. Regards, Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From veewee77 at alltel.net Tue Jan 31 11:44:22 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:44:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] server not forwarding packets for Windows clients In-Reply-To: <43DE6837.8080403@maltzen.net> References: <43DE6837.8080403@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43DF4D96.5070909@alltel.net> service nat start if that works. . . chkconfig nat on Petre Scheie wrote: > I've got a k12ltsp server providing DHCP addresses to a bunch of > Windows machines. The intent is to turn the Windows boxes into thin > clients with Universal Boot Floppies(tm) or at least dual-boot > systems. The server is a two-nic config, and I installed it this past > weekend. But today, when people are back in the office, the Windows > clients are getting addresses from the DHCP on the server, but any > requests directed to the internet are not getting any response. I ran > tracrert from a W2K box: it got as far as the server but no further. > It's as if the server isn't forwarding any requests that come in eth1 > to eth0. I turned off iptables, but that made no difference. It > seems something is off in the routing/NAT'ing/masquerading, but what? > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Tue Jan 31 14:46:31 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:46:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] server not forwarding packets for Windows clients In-Reply-To: <43DF4D96.5070909@alltel.net> References: <43DE6837.8080403@maltzen.net> <43DF4D96.5070909@alltel.net> Message-ID: <43DF7847.5020302@saskforestcentre.ca> I had a similar problem when I set up a box, then changed cards and ports around. I debugged it by using dmesg to find out what the cards were called as they went by, and then changed /etc/init.d/nat to reflect the correct network card. Check the top of the file, it probably says PUBLIC_ETHERNET="eth1" make sure that's correct. (That's the default, but...) Oh, then service nat restart and pick up where Doug was. Angus Carr. Doug Simpson wrote: > service nat start > > if that works. . . > > chkconfig nat on > > > > Petre Scheie wrote: > >> I've got a k12ltsp server providing DHCP addresses to a bunch of >> Windows machines. The intent is to turn the Windows boxes into thin >> clients with Universal Boot Floppies(tm) or at least dual-boot >> systems. The server is a two-nic config, and I installed it this >> past weekend. But today, when people are back in the office, the >> Windows clients are getting addresses from the DHCP on the server, >> but any requests directed to the internet are not getting any >> response. I ran tracrert from a W2K box: it got as far as the server >> but no further. It's as if the server isn't forwarding any requests >> that come in eth1 to eth0. I turned off iptables, but that made no >> difference. It seems something is off in the >> routing/NAT'ing/masquerading, but what? >> >> Petre >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org Tue Jan 31 17:57:52 2006 From: DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org (DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:57:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] USB drives from thin clients Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at gmail.com Tue Jan 31 18:32:42 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:32:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] USB drives from thin clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 1/31/06, DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org wrote: > I've got a CENTOS 4.2.1E install of K12LTSP and I'm looking for a way to > facilitate clients mounting local USB flash drives. Does anyone have a quick > fix for this? It works automagically for me. Use MToolsFM and pick 'u' as the drive. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From scott at hosef.org Tue Jan 31 19:44:54 2006 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:44:54 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] USB drives from thin clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43DFBE36.3040805@hosef.org> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 1/31/06, DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org wrote: >> I've got a CENTOS 4.2.1E install of K12LTSP and I'm looking for a way to >> facilitate clients mounting local USB flash drives. Does anyone have a quick >> fix for this? > > It works automagically for me. Use MToolsFM and pick 'u' as the drive. I think you have to uncomment the floppyd line in lts.conf. I have found that the client has to be rebooted between uses of separate usb drives. Is this just me, or has anyone else experienced this? > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 --scott From Rick.Schindler at stmary-cs.org Tue Jan 31 21:28:40 2006 From: Rick.Schindler at stmary-cs.org (Rick Schindler) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:28:40 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Starting from scratch Message-ID: I am a principal at a small-ish rural elementary school with caveman technology - let's just say I'd like to start everything over from scratch here. To give a little more context, we have no one on staff with the requisite technology skills to advise our school and are really only running what we do have with the help of some dedicated parent volunteers. I was turned on to the Linux idea but do not yet have a grasp on how we could have this setup at our school to avoid the dreaded licensing, etc. Is there anyone out there I could speak with who has experiences we could benefit from and would be willing and able to help point our school in the right direction? We would appreciate the help. Thanks. ~Rick From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Jan 31 21:59:12 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:59:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Starting from scratch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43DFDDB0.2030205@inlandlakes.org> Rick Schindler wrote: > Is there anyone out there I could speak with who has experiences Yes, most of us would love to. :) Could you elaborate on what you have, what you expect, and what budget you might be working with? I have a 4th grade teacher that has been managing his own server for... I think 4 years now. He was my K12LTSP pilot classroom, and he's been using it ever since. That is upper elementary, I know, but he might have some wonderful insight for you. Let me know, based on what you hear, if you want to be in email contact, or phone contact, etc. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely.