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Re: [K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to assault and battery on campus"

Look, the only thing I worry about here is going too far with the amount of responsibilty schools put on themselves to raise children. That is all I am saying.

Also please do not automatically peg my being (by my own admission) young"er" with not being experienced enough to offer an opinion. I am not saying anything about a "Laissez faire" attitude, I just offer caution with going too far the other way. I am not saying content filtering is bad or that an eye shouldn't be looked at certain things. My point is that it isn't the only issue that should be brought to light. It upsets me that we are in a world when you jump on me for suggesting that parents be responsible for their own children.

I don't think I want to go to far into the age thing, but please do not discriminate against my saying I was younger. I offered that to suggest as teachers get more tech savy and actually "plug" into the same culture as the kids, a lot of these issues will go away. Not all, but teachers will be able to model good behavior. Not going to solve everything, that was just the point I was making.

Now about your teacher taken away in handcuffs. I would like to hear more about it. Is it your responsibility as a school to keep the individual out of trouble? I would argue to a point, yes. Where that point is is the question, and invariably will lie in a different place in different situations, as it should. I do not beleive it is laissez faire to say this but schools should be leary of just blocking "stuff." It just reminds me too much of China. Maybe I have read 1984 too much. Actually it stems from all that Lawrence Lessig.

By the way, good discussion. I like a little heat on the list.

Tim Hart
"Young, but know a thing or two."

On 1/24/06, Jim Hays <haysja sages us> wrote:
You say you are young enough to participate in many of the same tech
activities as the kids.  I take that to mean that you haven't had a lot
of experience in the educational world.  This "laissez faire" attitude
is real nice until a group of FBI agents and Homeland Security Agents
and State Police show up at the front door and you as the technology
coordinator get  pulled into the middle of a "mess".  An hour later one
of our most respected teachers was lead away in handcuffs because of
what he was doing online.

Now that will change your views on content filtering in a hurry.

Timothy Hart wrote:

> On 1/24/06, *Tom Hoffman* < tom hoffman gmail com
> <mailto:tom hoffman gmail com>> wrote:
>     Yes, but doesn't becoming more tech savvy = being able to navigate
>     MySpace, etc., oneself?
> Yes, I agree.
>     There is nothing either fascist or censorial about reading public
>     material on the web.  Part of being tech savvy is understanding that.
> I am saying that it would be a waste to have someone reading all the
> material looking for people saying mean things and what not. My point
> was as we do become more tech savy this will happen automatically.
>     The question is whether or not the school has effective methods of
>     addressing issues in students lives that aren't strictly punitive
>     (advisors, counselors, mentors, therapists, etc.).
> I agree also to a point. I do have to point out here that the first
> line of responsibility if the parent. It takes a parent, not a village
> to raise a child. The village should support and nuture. I have been
> reading a lot of material that suggests other wise, so I am kind of
> wound up on that fact.
> I beleive we are on the same page Tom. I think we are just looking at
> it from different angles.
>     --Tom
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