[K12OSN] OT: "MySpace.com" or "policies for when computer use leads to assault and battery on campus"

Timothy Hart timothy.hart at gmail.com
Wed Jan 25 16:01:38 UTC 2006

Look, the only thing I worry about here is going too far with the amount of
responsibilty schools put on themselves to raise children. That is all I am

Also please do not automatically peg my being (by my own admission)
young"er" with not being experienced enough to offer an opinion. I am not
saying anything about a "Laissez faire" attitude, I just offer caution with
going too far the other way. I am not saying content filtering is bad or
that an eye shouldn't be looked at certain things. My point is that it isn't
the only issue that should be brought to light. It upsets me that we are in
a world when you jump on me for suggesting that parents be responsible for
their own children.

I don't think I want to go to far into the age thing, but please do not
discriminate against my saying I was younger. I offered that to suggest as
teachers get more tech savy and actually "plug" into the same culture as the
kids, a lot of these issues will go away. Not all, but teachers will be able
to model good behavior. Not going to solve everything, that was just the
point I was making.

Now about your teacher taken away in handcuffs. I would like to hear more
about it. Is it your responsibility as a school to keep the individual out
of trouble? I would argue to a point, yes. Where that point is is the
question, and invariably will lie in a different place in different
situations, as it should. I do not beleive it is laissez faire to say this
but schools should be leary of just blocking "stuff." It just reminds me too
much of China. Maybe I have read 1984 too much. Actually it stems from all
that Lawrence Lessig.

By the way, good discussion. I like a little heat on the list.

Tim Hart
"Young, but know a thing or two."

On 1/24/06, Jim Hays <haysja at sages.us> wrote:
> You say you are young enough to participate in many of the same tech
> activities as the kids.  I take that to mean that you haven't had a lot
> of experience in the educational world.  This "laissez faire" attitude
> is real nice until a group of FBI agents and Homeland Security Agents
> and State Police show up at the front door and you as the technology
> coordinator get  pulled into the middle of a "mess".  An hour later one
> of our most respected teachers was lead away in handcuffs because of
> what he was doing online.
> Now that will change your views on content filtering in a hurry.
> Timothy Hart wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 1/24/06, *Tom Hoffman* <tom.hoffman at gmail.com
> > <mailto:tom.hoffman at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >     Yes, but doesn't becoming more tech savvy = being able to navigate
> >     MySpace, etc., oneself?
> >
> >
> > Yes, I agree.
> >
> >     There is nothing either fascist or censorial about reading public
> >     material on the web.  Part of being tech savvy is understanding
> that.
> >
> >
> > I am saying that it would be a waste to have someone reading all the
> > material looking for people saying mean things and what not. My point
> > was as we do become more tech savy this will happen automatically.
> >
> >     The question is whether or not the school has effective methods of
> >     addressing issues in students lives that aren't strictly punitive
> >     (advisors, counselors, mentors, therapists, etc.).
> >
> >
> > I agree also to a point. I do have to point out here that the first
> > line of responsibility if the parent. It takes a parent, not a village
> > to raise a child. The village should support and nuture. I have been
> > reading a lot of material that suggests other wise, so I am kind of
> > wound up on that fact.
> >
> > I beleive we are on the same page Tom. I think we are just looking at
> > it from different angles.
> >
> >
> >     --Tom
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