From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Sat Jul 1 15:03:27 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 08:03:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] A Chance to Highlight Open Source in Schools Success Stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7/1/06, Doug Loss wrote: > This is evidently his second article about Open Source and schools. I missed the first one and am not inclined to find it and read it, but if anyone would like to contact him and clue him in on any educational topics, feel free. :) > > http://www.networkworld.com/weblogs/smb/2006/012897.html > > Actually, the second article was more in-depth than the first (which is at http://www.networkworld.com/weblogs/smb/2006/012877.html). The author does ask: "Do you have a success story helping schools or non-profit organizations save money with Open Source software? If so, let us know." OK, now is a good chance to get some good publicity. (Daniel, you have recently written a ton that could just be forwarded to him, as have many others.) His email is readers at gaskin.com. Steve -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.K12OpenSource.com (Public Wiki) www.SupportBlogging.com (Public Wiki) -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.K12OpenSource.com (Public Wiki) www.SupportBlogging.com (Public Wiki) From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Sun Jul 2 02:06:05 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:06:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] NECC Open Source Lab will have lots of visitors--we need help beefing up K12OpenSource.com website... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There will be 15,000 school folks at NECC, and nobody knows how many will come to the Open Source lab and booths... but it's going to be A LOT. We will have about 70 computers set up (including a K12LTSP lab!), and we are in a prime area--the first night welcoming reception is in the same location. In addition, there is a buzz going on about Open Source and Web 2.0 that is very exciting. The K12OpenSource.com wiki could use some collaborative building. We've printed 5,000 nice glossy 4-color brochures that talk about what Open Source software is, and point people, in addition to many of the traditional OSS sites, to K12OpenSource.com. K12OpenSource also has an email list for beginners, and we expect to direct beginners to those two sites to start their journey with Open Source Software. If you have some time, and are willing, we could really use some more content on the site. Links, stories, resources, anything. The show starts Tuesday night (July 4th, if you can believe it) and runs through Friday. Thanks, Steve -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) From carl at snarlnet.com Sun Jul 2 06:57:50 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 23:57:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] television output Message-ID: <44A76E6E.8060703@snarlnet.com> Hi Folks, Does anyone know what settings to use for television video output? I something like those Term 150's from diskless workstations with an onboard video (composite) output. But I don't know what to try to use my television for a monitor. This thin client is in my living room as a music station, so tv resolution would be fine. I've emailed disklessworkstations, but I thought I'd ask here, in case anyone's gotten it working. TIA, ck From ahodson at elp.rr.com Mon Jul 3 03:12:17 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan Hodson) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 21:12:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NECC Open Source Lab will have lots of visitors--we need help beefing up K12OpenSource.com website... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1151896337.5548.9.camel@HodsonNet1> On Sat, 2006-07-01 at 19:06 -0700, Steve Hargadon wrote: > There will be 15,000 school folks at NECC, and nobody knows how many > will come to the Open Source lab and booths... but it's going to be A > LOT. We will have about 70 computers set up (including a K12LTSP lab!), > and we are in a prime area--the first night welcoming reception is in the > same location. > > In addition, there is a buzz going on about Open Source and Web 2.0 > that is very exciting. > > The K12OpenSource.com wiki could use some collaborative building... To reach the widest audience possible, I believe you need to include a prominent link to the "Free Software for Schools - Catalog of Open Source Software" by the good folks from Open Source Victoria... This 82 page PDF document can singlehandedly persuade more skeptics that people attending the convention... here's an abbreviated URL: http://tinyurl.com/ojjsn - Wish I could be there to help... cheers Alan Hodson El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org -=o=- From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Mon Jul 3 04:57:44 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 21:57:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] NECC Open Source Lab will have lots of visitors--we need help beefing up K12OpenSource.com website... In-Reply-To: <1151896337.5548.9.camel@HodsonNet1> References: <1151896337.5548.9.camel@HodsonNet1> Message-ID: On 7/2/06, Alan Hodson wrote: > To reach the widest audience possible, I believe you need to include a > prominent link to the "Free Software for Schools - Catalog of Open > Source Software" by the good folks from Open Source Victoria... Good call, Alan. I put a link on the resource page. Feel free to add others. Stev4e -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.K12OpenSource.com (Public Wiki) www.SupportBlogging.com (Public Wiki) From webace98 at gmail.com Mon Jul 3 05:43:05 2006 From: webace98 at gmail.com (Mary Jo Spencer) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 01:43:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tux Paint - OO Writer Code to link them needed. Message-ID: Early grade teachers really could use a solution for making picture book/writing pages. We have done this in small amounts by manually copying the Tux Paint picture to a OO Writer form and having the kids type in a box below the picture. This is great but the manual work makes it too cumbersome for frequent use and its not empowering the kids... Does anyone have a way to automate this or do we need some coding or is there something already out there that will do this sort of thing???? I know you can code stuff for OO Writer but I don't know where to start... So is there a way to have a small program set up to: [The student would start by composing a Tux Paint Picture and then save it.] Then they would click on a Picture Page icon on their desktop which would: 1. Open up picture page form in OO Writer - document is automatically assigned a dated and incremented file name and saved in their home folder 2.. Open up Tux Paint Pictures folder so student can pick the image to copy to page - student needs to see the actual picture icons for the various tux paint pictures so can visually pick the picture similar to setup in Tux Paint. 3. The picked picture is then automatically resized and inserted in the picture box on the OO Writer form. The student then just scrolls down to the text block and types away... 4. When students are done all they have to do is press save and exit. So any ideas????????? I had initially thought about making a request for a writing block to be programmed into Tux Paint which would take care of this in a different way and that still has some great possibilities - but then it occurred to me that if we could automate our manual process then we could use OO Writer for the writing part. Thanks for your help, Mary Jo Spencer Technology Coordinator Stratham Memorial School -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flickatomte at gmail.com Mon Jul 3 17:18:41 2006 From: flickatomte at gmail.com (Deborah White) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:18:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Tux Paint - OO Writer Code to link them needed. Message-ID: <741a20fe0607031018necb5184q283fb652eb88add7@mail.gmail.com> I've been looking at this from a different view point. We have been using Sunburst's EasyBook Deluxe. I would love an Open Source Program that would do what EasyBook does but even better. It would be a desktop publishing program. Specs include: 1.) Allow the user to enter Title and Author to generate automatically a Cover and a Title Page 2.) Allow the user to enter Publisher/Copyright info with either a default edit or a customize edit to generate a page with that info. 3.)Layout options for each page that include picture boxes and text boxes that are re-sizable. Layout suggestions include but not limited to: a.)picture box on top, text box on bottom b.) text box on top, picture box on bottom c,)small picture in upper left hand corner, text area upper right hand corner and bottom d.) small picture in upper right hand corner, text area upper left hand corner and bottom e.) small picture in lower left hand corner, text are top and lower right hand corner, f.) small picture lower right hand corner, text area top and lower left hand area, g) picture box in middle of page, text area above and below. Ideally, layout items would be accessed via a small icon illustrating the layout. 4.) automatically # pages (not counting Cover, Title Page, and publishing info) 5.) font/size choice like standard word processing program 6.) Bold, Italics, Underline like standard word processing program 7.) Option to import graphic from programs like TuxPaint and Gimp into the picture boxes 8.) Print or upload to website Nice if we could get it: 9) formatting options to include half page books both left to right and top to bottom and printed in correct page order to make a book, and landscape orientation for full page books. So, anyone want to take this on? Debbie White 1st/2nd Grade Looping Teacher Asa C. Adams School Orono, ME http://flickatomte.googlepages.com/ourlinuxadventure -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william at fragakis.com Mon Jul 3 17:23:47 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 13:23:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] v5 beta9 install notes In-Reply-To: <20060701160020.16E5773ECB@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060701160020.16E5773ECB@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1151947427.4417.43.camel@server.ltsp> On Sat, 2006-07-01 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:09:07 -0700 (PDT) > From: Eric Harrison > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] v5 beta9 install notes > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On Fri, 30 Jun 2006, William Fragakis wrote: > > > Eric, > > I tried installing via ftp last night and my gdm is dead, too. Plain > > vanilla install using the defaults. I tried using yum update and > that > > made it worse as a bunch of cyrillic characters go across the screen > > before I can copy down the error. > > > > I'd previously installed beta4 on the same system with no hitch but > had > > issues with yumex so tried to do a fresh install instead. > > > > Also a lot of errors are thrown during boot - access denied and > services > > failing. Could this be due to SELinux? > > That sounds like the font server issue I had on my > laptop, /etc/X11/fs/config > was missing. I had a /etc/X11/fs/config.rpmsave that I copied to > /etc/X11/fs/config and all was well. (look for > a /etc/X11/fs/config.rpmnew > if you don't see a config.rpmsave). config is there. the X server error is (to the best of my transcribing abilities): GDM:Xserver not found /usr/bin/Xorg :0 -audit -0 -auth /var/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 Error: Command count not be executed Please install the Xserver or correct GDM configuration and restart GDM - I'm also getting a ton of audit avc denied errors. Same issue or something else? /etc/sysconfig/desktop was empty (actually had a couple of hexdecimal characters) is this, too, correct? I tried sticking in DESKTOP="GNOME" and that didn't help (or I didn't do it correctly- vim is not, shall we say, intuitive). Happy Holiday if you are off (we celebrate Independence Day on July 4 in the US, an exercise in grilling food, shooting off fireworks, parades and sunburn) Thanks, William From william at fragakis.com Mon Jul 3 18:40:12 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 14:40:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] I would like to know In-Reply-To: <20060628160024.8DD9B737FE@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060628160024.8DD9B737FE@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1151952012.4417.53.camel@server.ltsp> umm.. how about Chile? They've essentially localized K12LTSP http://www.edulinux.cl/ iirc, it is now in use in 1800 schools. regards, William On Wed, 2006-06-28 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:34:24 -0700 > From: Huck > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] I would like to know > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <44A15E10.5030103 at paasda.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Latin America include South America? or just the area in between the > States and South America?...if so I believe there are some > installations > in Mexico..and I know there are quite a few in Brasil. > > Alex Gutierrez wrote: > > Someone knows if the k12os software has been applied in a country > in > > Latin America?? > > i woudl like to know your experience. > > > > Thanks > > Alex From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Jul 3 22:18:48 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 18:18:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tux Paint - OO Writer Code to link them needed. In-Reply-To: <741a20fe0607031018necb5184q283fb652eb88add7@mail.gmail.com> References: <741a20fe0607031018necb5184q283fb652eb88add7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1151965128.3017.34.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> I believe the desktop publishing tool called Scribus is what you are looking for. It is a full-featured desktop publishing tool similar to Quark Express. Once a page layout template is made, one simply copies in text and pictures. It does not generate HTML, however. It is designed to submit for real paper printing. So the PDF output is very good. On Mon, 2006-07-03 at 12:18 -0500, Deborah White wrote: > I've been looking at this from a different view point. We have been > using Sunburst's EasyBook Deluxe. I would love an Open Source Program > that would do what EasyBook does but even better. It would be a > desktop publishing program. Specs include: > 1.) Allow the user to enter Title and Author to generate automatically > a Cover and a Title Page > 2.) Allow the user to enter Publisher/Copyright info with either a > default edit or a customize edit to generate a page with that info. > 3.)Layout options for each page that include picture boxes and text > boxes that are re-sizable. Layout suggestions include but not limited > to: > a.)picture box on top, text box on bottom b.) text box on top, picture > box on bottom c,)small picture in upper left hand corner, text area > upper right hand corner and bottom d.) small picture in upper right > hand corner, text area upper left hand corner and bottom e.) small > picture in lower left hand corner, text are top and lower right hand > corner, f.) small picture lower right hand corner, text area top and > lower left hand area, g) picture box in middle of page, text area > above and below. Ideally, layout items would be accessed via a small > icon illustrating the layout. > 4.) automatically # pages (not counting Cover, Title Page, and > publishing info) > 5.) font/size choice like standard word processing program > 6.) Bold, Italics, Underline like standard word processing program > 7.) Option to import graphic from programs like TuxPaint and Gimp into > the picture boxes > 8.) Print or upload to website > > Nice if we could get it: > 9) formatting options to include half page books both left to right > and top to bottom and printed in correct page order to make a book, > and landscape orientation for full page books. > > So, anyone want to take this on? > > Debbie White > 1st/2nd Grade Looping Teacher > Asa C. Adams School > Orono, ME > http://flickatomte.googlepages.com/ourlinuxadventure > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ramonklown at pop.com.br Mon Jul 3 23:17:46 2006 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 20:17:46 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] I would like to know In-Reply-To: <1151952012.4417.53.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20060628160024.8DD9B737FE@hormel.redhat.com> <1151952012.4417.53.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <44771.201.79.40.82.1151968666.squirrel@popmail10.pop.com.br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Jul 4 03:57:40 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 23:57:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tux Paint - OO Writer Code to link them needed. In-Reply-To: <1151965128.3017.34.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <741a20fe0607031018necb5184q283fb652eb88add7@mail.gmail.com> <1151965128.3017.34.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: First....my intent is not to jump down anyone's throat, but this is precisely what we as geeks need to avoid. This is a typical consultant/geek answer. The question was asked by a grade school teacher working with the very low grades....like kindergarten and first-grade. Granted, Scribus will output great files....etc. But a program like EasyBook is designed with small children in mind....much like TuxPaint. Kids need to be able to drag pre-determined clip art (like Tux paint stamps) onto a page to make a story background. Then they need to be able to type in some simple text in a predetermined "box" for their story. The incredible participation by classroom teachers at NELS this year (http://www.nelinux.net) and the great increase in teacher registrations over the past week for the upcoming NELS at UNH....is a prime indicator that at least here in the Northeast (USA)....that the teachers have begun to "arrive". As I've mentioned before....we need to be ready to help....in a realistic non-geeky manner. I'm not a programmer....I wish I was.....but my opinion as a Linux ambassador, classroom teacher, network geek...etc....is that probably TuxPaint or TuxPrint would be the perfect "starting point" for something like this....what we need are programmers. Anyone? Also...I don't ever want to discourage anyone from making suggestions...etc. like this one....I simply want to remind everyone that we need to bear in mind who the "customer" is....in this case they are 5, 6, or 7 years old. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Mon Jul 3 2006 at 18:18 +0000 wrote: >I believe the desktop publishing tool called Scribus is what you are >looking for. It is a full-featured desktop publishing tool similar to >Quark Express. Once a page layout template is made, one simply copies in >text and pictures. It does not generate HTML, however. It is designed to >submit for real paper printing. So the PDF output is very good. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From carl at snarlnet.com Tue Jul 4 05:36:09 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 22:36:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] television output Message-ID: <44A9FE49.3020103@snarlnet.com> Whoops. I screwed up. I have an Amer T500, not a disklessworkstation Term 150. Does anyone know the answer? ck >From: Carl Keil >Subject: [K12OSN] television output > > >Hi Folks, > >Does anyone know what settings to use for television video output? I >something like those Term 150's from diskless workstations with an >onboard video (composite) output. But I don't know what to try to use >my television for a monitor. This thin client is in my living room as a >music station, so tv resolution would be fine. > >I've emailed disklessworkstations, but I thought I'd ask here, in case >anyone's gotten it working. > >TIA, > >ck From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Tue Jul 4 15:22:13 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 11:22:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Tux Paint - OO Writer Code to link them needed. In-Reply-To: References: <741a20fe0607031018necb5184q283fb652eb88add7@mail.gmail.com> <1151965128.3017.34.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <1152026533.3017.54.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> As a typical consultant/geek that was my answer :) One of the things I do spend a large amount of my time on is testing various FOSS packages. I'm not a programmer by training or profession although I have done plenty and more to do in the coming months. So I tend to look at using existing packages first. I must have blinked over the age of the kids on the original post. Scribus is NOT a tool for little kids. It's rather complex. Somehow I got the idea that the need for the desktop publishing was for teachers or older kids (middle school). Upon rereading the two original posts on the desired abilities, I can see a partial solution for some aspects (a read-only template in oowriter with some oo scripting to autosave with a date-named file - I don't know how to implement this.) and a "My Tux Pictures" desktp link to the ~/.tuxpaint/saved folder (easy). The link should open with the desktop environment's file manager. Both gnome and KDE will display thumbnails (or larger) of image files. At that point, it's easy to drag-n-drop to an open template on oowriter. A brief look at the 1100 page ooSDK developers manual is overwhelming! In short, since the desired goal is a combination of system manipulation and application-specific work, it will require some fairly serious coding to make it happen. Java might work as well some C++ "glue" that links into the openoffice API. This is, unfortunately _way_ outside of my process. It may be easier to add page templates to tuxpaint. On Mon, 2006-07-03 at 23:57 -0400, David Trask wrote: > First....my intent is not to jump down anyone's throat, but this is > precisely what we as geeks need to avoid. This is a typical > consultant/geek answer. The question was asked by a grade school teacher > working with the very low grades....like kindergarten and first-grade. > Granted, Scribus will output great files....etc. But a program like > EasyBook is designed with small children in mind....much like TuxPaint. > Kids need to be able to drag pre-determined clip art (like Tux paint > stamps) onto a page to make a story background. Then they need to be able > to type in some simple text in a predetermined "box" for their story. The > incredible participation by classroom teachers at NELS this year > (http://www.nelinux.net) and the great increase in teacher registrations > over the past week for the upcoming NELS at UNH....is a prime indicator > that at least here in the Northeast (USA)....that the teachers have begun > to "arrive". As I've mentioned before....we need to be ready to > help....in a realistic non-geeky manner. I'm not a programmer....I wish I > was.....but my opinion as a Linux ambassador, classroom teacher, network > geek...etc....is that probably TuxPaint or TuxPrint would be the perfect > "starting point" for something like this....what we need are programmers. > Anyone? > > Also...I don't ever want to discourage anyone from making > suggestions...etc. like this one....I simply want to remind everyone that > we need to bear in mind who the "customer" is....in this case they are 5, > 6, or 7 years old. > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Mon Jul 3 2006 at 18:18 +0000 wrote: > >I believe the desktop publishing tool called Scribus is what you are > >looking for. It is a full-featured desktop publishing tool similar to > >Quark Express. Once a page layout template is made, one simply copies in > >text and pictures. It does not generate HTML, however. It is designed to > >submit for real paper printing. So the PDF output is very good. > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jul 4 17:52:43 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 10:52:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Tux Paint - OO Writer Code to link them needed. In-Reply-To: <1152026533.3017.54.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <741a20fe0607031018necb5184q283fb652eb88add7@mail.gmail.com> <1151965128.3017.34.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <1152026533.3017.54.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <44AAAAEB.8080704@paasda.org> Is it not possible to create 'layout templates' in OO? Similar to how MS-Publisher has them? I honestly don't know as I don't deal with that side of the Office Suite. I have found some rough-templates in my searches for things like Calc, but not for creating booklets. I would think Presenter or Writer would be able to handle something like a 'booklet' template that auto-numbers, has some areas for text and others for images. --Huck From william at fragakis.com Wed Jul 5 02:45:14 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 22:45:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] v5 beta9 install notes In-Reply-To: <20060704160020.A36BC738D5@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060704160020.A36BC738D5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1152067514.4417.115.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 13:23:47 -0400 > From: William Fragakis > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] v5 beta9 install notes > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <1151947427.4417.43.camel at server.ltsp> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Sat, 2006-07-01 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > Message: 2 > > Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:09:07 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Eric Harrison > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] v5 beta9 install notes > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > > On Fri, 30 Jun 2006, William Fragakis wrote: > > > > > Eric, > > > I tried installing via ftp last night and my gdm is dead, too. > Plain > > > vanilla install using the defaults. I tried using yum update and > > that > > > made it worse as a bunch of cyrillic characters go across the > screen > > > before I can copy down the error. > > > > > > I'd previously installed beta4 on the same system with no hitch > but > > had > > > issues with yumex so tried to do a fresh install instead. > > > > > > Also a lot of errors are thrown during boot - access denied and > > services > > > failing. Could this be due to SELinux? > > > > That sounds like the font server issue I had on my > > laptop, /etc/X11/fs/config > > was missing. I had a /etc/X11/fs/config.rpmsave that I copied to > > /etc/X11/fs/config and all was well. (look for > > a /etc/X11/fs/config.rpmnew > > if you don't see a config.rpmsave). > Okay, perhaps my bad. I tried it again. I booted off a beta4 CD and used the installer via ftp (ie I ejected the CD once entering the ftp info) rather than the one from the CD. It works fine now (and I see the /etc/sysconfig/desktop is properly empty). Eric, hope you enjoyed your 4th. Regards to all, William Fragakis morrisbrandon.com From sbarar at gmail.com Wed Jul 5 08:28:45 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:58:45 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM vs Gnome Message-ID: <774593a20607050128j5366ad64yf8457bfe81b72d07@mail.gmail.com> May be sligthly OT here.....but I recently installed Ubuntu6.06 with LTSP on a AMD-Athlon64bit Dual Core machine with 1000mbps ethernet on board and fast SCSI drive plus 4gb RAM. With gnome desktop running and ~20 users online I saw constant load level between 10-20 as reported by top. I thereafter changed the default windown manager to IceWM for all users and now the load level reported by top under same conditions is <2 all day long! Any one who can verify similar experience? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Wed Jul 5 13:26:30 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:26:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM vs Gnome In-Reply-To: <774593a20607050128j5366ad64yf8457bfe81b72d07@mail.gmail.com> References: <774593a20607050128j5366ad64yf8457bfe81b72d07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1152105990.3017.102.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Wed, 2006-07-05 at 13:58 +0530, Sudev Barar wrote: > May be sligthly OT here.....but I recently installed Ubuntu6.06 with > LTSP on a AMD-Athlon64bit Dual Core machine with 1000mbps ethernet on > board and fast SCSI drive plus 4gb RAM. > > With gnome desktop running and ~20 users online I saw constant load > level between 10-20 as reported by top. I thereafter changed the > default windown manager to IceWM for all users and now the load level > reported by top under same conditions is <2 all day long! > > Any one who can verify similar experience? That sounds more like a bug than a normal condition. I have seen several gnome things (gnomevfs in particular) become system hogs. I have seen this happen when someone tries to run a windows binary (.exe) file and wine is not configured. For some reason, gnome tries to handle it and bad things happen. However, IceWM is a much lighter weight window manager than either gnome or KDE. -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Jul 5 22:02:42 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:02:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP management with Webmin Users and Groups module In-Reply-To: <000101c59c2f$206df440$0178060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000101c59c2f$206df440$0178060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <9bd317560607051502h1a03e047vee439c624f821a@mail.gmail.com> Wow! Thanks Jim this is awesome! I just created a test user via batch file. It's funny though if I try and add a user to the ldap database that's already a user on the system it returns : "Duplicate username at line 1 : [user]" Question: Why should the ldap database care what's in /etc/passwd? This machine is going to be a stand-alone ldap server so it's not set to authenticate the the ldap database. Umm..I don't have to set it for ldap auth do I? Thanks, Peter On 8/8/05, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > You can add/modify/delete users and groups from the LDAP Users and > groups module. Below I will show my settings for the module as > configured for version 2.0-alpha of the smb/ldap installer scripts. The > add users via batch section is all that needs work now. It appears to > leave out the Samba account options when run. I emailed Jamie Cameron > to see if he can let me know how to make this work. Anyhow with the > settings below I am able to login via Linux, via a OSX LDAP enabled > machine, and join a Windows Machine to the domain and login. I will > list only fields where I have made changes from the default. This is > also with the newest stable version of webmin. Disk quotas will also be > able to be managed via the Webmin Disk Quota module, provided that under > the Disk and Network Filesystems you have enable User or Group quotas, > and subsequently enabled Disk Quotas under the Disk Quotas module. > > Also in discussion with Jamie Cameron I was informed that the variables > ${USER} and ${UID} can be used to substitute username and user id > respectively anywhere in the webmin module configuration. > > Here goes: > > Linux LDAP NSS library config file: /etc/ldap.conf > Bind to LDAP server as: cn=manager,dc=yourdomain,dc=org > Credentials for bind name above: On first access click Set to and enter > your smb/ldap password as set during script installation, after first > entry leave set to Don't change > Base for users: ou=Users,dc=yourdomain,dc=org > Base for groups: ou=Groups,dc=yourdomain,dc=org > Other objectClasses to add to new users: top inetOrgPerson > Full path to slappasswd program: /usr/sbin/slappasswd > LDAP properties for all new users: sn: ${USER} > Lowest UID for new users: 1000 > Default primary group for new users: Domain Users > Default secondary groups for new users: Domain Users > Default shell for new users: /bin/bash > LDAP object class for Samba users: sambaSamAccount > Enabled Samba account by default?: Yes > Domain SID for Samba3: S-1-5-21-699950680-3956470712-3012135405 (Please > use your own sambaSID here :-) > LDAP properties for new Samba users: > sambaLogonScript: startup.bat > sambaProfilePath: \\YOURDOMAIN-PDC\profiles\${USER} > sambaHomePath: \\YOURDOMAIN-PDC\homes\${USER} > sambaHomeDrive: X: > LDAP object class for Samba groups: sambaGroupMapping > > Well I hope that helps others out to get webmin working. For now this > will at least work with using the command line bulk-add scripts to add > the largest population, then webmin for smaller changes. I will post > out if I get a fix from Jamie. Or if anyone else tries this let me know > if you can get the batch import to work. > > Also I found that to get default OSX settings out you can create a > Library folder in /etc/skel and copy the files you want to default into > that folder. Say you create a custom dock you can take Macintosh > HD:Users:test user:Library:Preferences:com.apple.dock.plist and move it > to /etc/skel/Library/Preferences/com.apple.dock.plist on the linux > server and all new users will receive the custom dock. > > Also since OSX and Linux use the same desktop folder and same /home by > default I will try to create scripts make the windows desktop point to > /home/user/desktop and to point My Documents to /home/user. This should > make profile roaming seamless between Ops. I think I can for the most > part use the scripts posted in the last couple weeks. > > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.2/65 - Release Date: 8/7/2005 > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jul 5 22:47:39 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 15:47:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM vs Gnome In-Reply-To: <774593a20607050128j5366ad64yf8457bfe81b72d07@mail.gmail.com> References: <774593a20607050128j5366ad64yf8457bfe81b72d07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44AC418B.10108@paasda.org> Sudev, I don't know about <2 but under 10 for the most part...even with 30 or so clients on it...but do have networking bottlenecks still :( --Huck Sudev Barar wrote: > May be sligthly OT here.....but I recently installed Ubuntu6.06 with > LTSP on a AMD-Athlon64bit Dual Core machine with 1000mbps ethernet on > board and fast SCSI drive plus 4gb RAM. > > With gnome desktop running and ~20 users online I saw constant load > level between 10-20 as reported by top. I thereafter changed the > default windown manager to IceWM for all users and now the load level > reported by top under same conditions is <2 all day long! > > Any one who can verify similar experience? From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Thu Jul 6 12:17:46 2006 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (James P Schwankl) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 08:17:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OS X run TuxType2 from K12LTSP server? Message-ID: <20060706121746.1775c255@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> Hey all, I'd like to make Tuxtype2 and GCompris available to our OS X lab by creating a launcher that will make a connection to the LTSP server and start an X session with just that app running. ( I don't need the whole icewm desktop) I can handle the launcher, but I'm struggling with the syntax for the xsession. I'm pretty sure this should be do-able, since I can connect and get an entire K12LTSP esktop experience using X -query IP.NU.MB.ER :1 Any help is much appreciated. Thanks. Peace, Jimmy +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ****This Message was sent through the Chatham County Schools E-Mail Server**** All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jul 6 14:17:23 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:17:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP management with Webmin Users and Groups module In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607051502h1a03e047vee439c624f821a@mail.gmail.com> References: <000101c59c2f$206df440$0178060a@winonacotter.org> <9bd317560607051502h1a03e047vee439c624f821a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060706141151.M90436@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:02:42 -0400, Peter Hartmann wrote > Wow! Thanks Jim this is awesome! I just created a test user via > batch file. It's funny though if I try and add a user to the ldap database > that's already a user on the system it returns : "Duplicate username > at line 1 : [user]" Question: Why should the ldap database care > what's in /etc/passwd? This machine is going to be a stand-alone > ldap server so it's not set to authenticate the the ldap database. > Umm..I don't have to set it for ldap auth do I? No problem. I forgot I even posted that :-) I was messing around with a ton of things to try and get LDAP manageable and finally got the Webmin tool to work. I really wished it worked with the bulk import scripts but it didn't create the samba users, I had hoped to get the creator of the module to fix this, but it didn't seem to be a priority. As far as your Duplicate username problem, I am not sure. I would assume you correct and it shouldn't care at all about what is in /etc/passwd. Unless maybe it isn't looking at /etc/passwd directly. Maybe you have the users and groups module set to sync local unix users to samba users, so there is already a samba user that exists and it is this samba user that is causing the duplicate? I'll bet that is it. Glad to see someone is getting some use out of this, maybe if its use really catches on the bulk import scripts would be fixed and this could be a total solution finally for samba management with a simple interface. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jul 6 14:51:22 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:51:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OS X run TuxType2 from K12LTSP server? In-Reply-To: <20060706121746.1775c255@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> References: <20060706121746.1775c255@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <20060706144155.M28461@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 08:17:46 -0400, James P Schwankl wrote > Hey all, > > I'd like to make Tuxtype2 and GCompris available to our OS X lab by > creating a launcher that will make a connection to the LTSP server > and start an X session with just that app running. ( I don't need > the whole icewm desktop) > > I can handle the launcher, but I'm struggling with the syntax for > the xsession. I'm pretty sure this should be do-able, since I can > connect and get an entire K12LTSP esktop experience using > > X -query IP.NU.MB.ER :1 > > Any help is much appreciated. Thanks. I was thinking this maybe would need to be accessed like an application server instead of an X session. That could possibly reduce your overhead. So I tried to look at Gavin Spurgeon's k12ltsp.howtoz.net to see what is involved in calling on an application server, but it appears to be down. Does anyone have the info from this site saved? The tutorials were the best I have ever seen, I would hate to have them lost. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Thu Jul 6 16:10:15 2006 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 17:10:15 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] OS X run TuxType2 from K12LTSP server? References: <20060706121746.1775c255@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> <20060706144155.M28461@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <004b01c6a116$ab026090$1400000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> > I was thinking this maybe would need to be accessed like an application server > instead of an X session. That could possibly reduce your overhead. So I > tried to look at Gavin Spurgeon's k12ltsp.howtoz.net to see what is involved > in calling on an application server, but it appears to be down. > > Does anyone have the info from this site saved? The tutorials were the best I > have ever seen, I would hate to have them lost. My Site is down @ the mo for maintenance, it will be running again with in 48 Hours. I know it has been Off-Line for a wile but like I say it should be within 48 Hours. Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator Leigh City Technology College gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620501 Fax: 01322 620599 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Systems @ the LeighCTC, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jul 6 16:13:21 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:13:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OS X run TuxType2 from K12LTSP server? In-Reply-To: <004b01c6a116$ab026090$1400000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <20060706121746.1775c255@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> <20060706144155.M28461@winonacotter.org> <004b01c6a116$ab026090$1400000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <20060706161214.M46892@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 17:10:15 +0100, Gavin Spurgeon wrote > > I was thinking this maybe would need to be accessed like an application > server > > instead of an X session. That could possibly reduce your overhead. So I > > tried to look at Gavin Spurgeon's k12ltsp.howtoz.net to see what is > involved > > in calling on an application server, but it appears to be down. > > > > Does anyone have the info from this site saved? The tutorials were the > best I > > have ever seen, I would hate to have them lost. > > My Site is down @ the mo for maintenance, it will be running again > with in 48 Hours. I know it has been Off-Line for a wile but like I > say it should be within 48 Hours. > Cool! I haven't looked at it for a while and just hoped that info wasn't gone. You have such good tutorials out there, your documentation should be an inspiration to us all :-) My documentation skills are slightly lacking. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Thu Jul 6 20:12:41 2006 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (James P Schwankl) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 16:12:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OS X run TuxType2 from K12LTSP server? (solved- mostly) Message-ID: <20060706201241.d754a3d5@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> Thanks for the reference Jim (and Gavin). I was able to use Google's cached pages to see the how to you referred to and able to get a command to launch an app on the server and have it display on the OS X box. ssh IP.NU.MB.ER app_to_launch very nice. And I've just about finished the launcher (Combo applescript and .command file) to launch X11 and then run the command to start the app from the server. Unfortunately, I now have to figure out why tuxtype2 won't run, where others will :-( Thanks for the help, Jimmy +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ****This Message was sent through the Chatham County Schools E-Mail Server**** All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jul 6 20:30:59 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 15:30:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OS X run TuxType2 from K12LTSP server? (solved- mostly) In-Reply-To: <20060706201241.d754a3d5@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> References: <20060706201241.d754a3d5@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <20060706202845.M86619@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 16:12:41 -0400, James P Schwankl wrote > Thanks for the reference Jim (and Gavin). I was able to use Google's > cached pages to see the how to you referred to and able to get a > command to launch an app on the server and have it display on the OS > X box. > > ssh IP.NU.MB.ER app_to_launch > > very nice. > > And I've just about finished the launcher (Combo applescript and > .command file) to launch X11 and then run the command to start the > app from the server. Very cool. You'll have to post your work out when you are finished, I am sure others could use this (maybe me :-) > Unfortunately, I now have to figure out why tuxtype2 won't run, > where others will :-( That sucks. Keep trying. Could it be that it needs a password and you have to create the key files to avoid entering it? That is also in Gavin's how to. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 6 22:20:36 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 15:20:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 beta #12 Message-ID: <44AD8CB4.7030103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> K12LTSP 5.0.0 beta #12 has been uploaded. This includes another huge set of updates. LTSP 4.2 update 2 is included, as well as updates to OpenOffice.org, GCompris, Inkscape, the kernel and many other large packages. There are also a couple of refinements to the installer that make it more difficult to shoot yourself in the foot. I believe all of the show-stopping bugs have been squashed. I considered naming this "release-candidate #1", but not all off the changes have been tested. I'll shoot for having a RC1 release on Saturday. The repositories have been updated, if you have an earlier beta installed you can simply run "yum update". Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . -Eric From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Thu Jul 6 22:50:46 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:50:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 beta #12 In-Reply-To: <44AD8CB4.7030103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44AD8CB4.7030103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1152226246.3017.163.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> WooHoo!! I'll be giving a full install test run to the 64 bit version as soon as the rsync finishes. Many thanks for the effort. On Thu, 2006-07-06 at 15:20 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > K12LTSP 5.0.0 beta #12 has been uploaded. This includes another huge set > of updates. > > LTSP 4.2 update 2 is included, as well as updates to OpenOffice.org, > GCompris, Inkscape, the kernel and many other large packages. > > There are also a couple of refinements to the installer that make it > more difficult to shoot yourself in the foot. > > I believe all of the show-stopping bugs have been squashed. I considered > naming this "release-candidate #1", but not all off the changes have > been tested. I'll shoot for having a RC1 release on Saturday. > > > The repositories have been updated, if you have an earlier beta > installed you can simply run "yum update". > > > Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . > > Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. 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Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Fri Jul 7 11:50:53 2006 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (James P Schwankl) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 07:50:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OS X run TuxType2 from K12LTSP server? (solved- mostly) Message-ID: <20060707115053.79c1fcdd@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> >On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 16:12:41 -0400, James P Schwankl wrote >> Thanks for the reference Jim (and Gavin). I was able to use Google's >> cached pages to see the how to you referred to and able to get a >> command to launch an app on the server and have it display on the OS >> X box. >> >> ssh IP.NU.MB.ER app_to_launch >> >> very nice. >> >> And I've just about finished the launcher (Combo applescript and >> .command file) to launch X11 and then run the command to start the >> app from the server. > >Very cool. You'll have to post your work out when you are finished, I am sure >others could use this (maybe me :-) > >> Unfortunately, I now have to figure out why tuxtype2 won't run, >> where others will :-( > >That sucks. Keep trying. Could it be that it needs a password and you have >to create the key files to avoid entering it? That is also in Gavin's how to. No. I've got the auto connection thing happpening thanks to Gavin's how-to. I think I just need to research tuxtype's settings.txt file and find out if there are any prefs I can set there that deal with it running in a window instead of full screen. If I get TuxTyping2 working I'll try to post a set of things I had to do. Peace, Jimmy +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ****This Message was sent through the Chatham County Schools E-Mail Server**** All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jul 7 13:30:51 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 06:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OS X run TuxType2 from K12LTSP server? (solved- mostly) In-Reply-To: <20060707115053.79c1fcdd@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> References: <20060707115053.79c1fcdd@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Jul 2006, James P Schwankl wrote: > I think I just need to research tuxtype's settings.txt file and find out > if there are any prefs I can set there that deal with it running in a > window instead of full screen. tuxtype2 -w -Eric From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Jul 7 19:50:00 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 15:50:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ldap client setup Message-ID: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> Hey Folks , I'm having a weird problem setting up the ltsp server as an ldap client. It seems to be using the local /etc/passwd for auth instead of the ldap server although if the ldap server is disconnected authentication fails. nfs homes are mounting. Attached is the ltsp /etc/nsswitch.conf and ldap.conf. 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Name: ldap.conf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 8784 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Jul 7 20:00:01 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:00:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: ltsp ldap client setup In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560607071300t3c1de2dfvfa849d6459feaae4@mail.gmail.com> Also a follow question for you- For instance on the ltsp server if i try to copy a file as root to a folder in /home on the ldap server I get (in home I get permission denied. Or if su without the - and try any command i also get permission denied. How do you deal with this? Thanks! Peter On 7/7/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey Folks , I'm having a weird problem setting up the ltsp server as > an ldap client. It seems to be using the local /etc/passwd for auth > instead of the ldap server although if the ldap server is disconnected > authentication fails. nfs homes are mounting. Attached is the ltsp > /etc/nsswitch.conf and ldap.conf. I'm wondering what the > difference between /etc/ldap.conf and /etc/openldap/ldap.conf is too. > I've tried to make them look the same. > Little help? > > Thanks, > Peter > > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jul 7 20:42:18 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:42:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Opening for an application developer at MESD Message-ID: <44AEC72A.8090904@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Hey folks, Just in case anyone is looking for a job in the Portland area, the Technology Services department here at MESD has an opening for an application developer. This is shiny new position, we're looking for someone who is smart rather than a specific skill set. Our customer base uses a mix of Windows, Mac, and Linux. As should be obvious, we're a Linux-friendly shop ;-) Not only will this position pay pretty well, but is also non-exempt 40hr/week (paid overtime or comp time) and has excellent benefits. The application deadline is July 11th. http://w3.mesd.k12.or.us/hr/jobopp/ApplicationDeveloperTEC06_06.pdf -Eric From robark at gmail.com Fri Jul 7 20:45:53 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 13:45:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP-4.2 Update-2 available In-Reply-To: <44ADD3A8.8000508@McQuil.com> References: <44ADD3A8.8000508@McQuil.com> Message-ID: On 7/6/06, Jim McQuillan wrote: > I'm happy to announce that Update-2 for LTSP-4.2 is available. > > This update contains several minor bug fixes including the updated > lbuscd, which fixes the "2nd login" problem for local device access. > > In addition, we've created an ISO image of the full set of packages, > for those who would like to download a single file. > > Take a look at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42 for > more information. >From the wiki: * VNC - Virtual Network Client o Added the VNC module for the Xserver for remote desktop shadowing Great news Jim! Thanks for accepting Eric's build patch for the Xvnc module. This should mean that the control and broadcast feature of Fl_TeacherTool should work with any LTSP setup now. :) Wondering if K12LTSP 5.0 will ship with this updated version of LTSP? > > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From robark at gmail.com Fri Jul 7 20:58:26 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 13:58:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP-4.2 Update-2 available In-Reply-To: References: <44ADD3A8.8000508@McQuil.com> Message-ID: On 7/7/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 7/6/06, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > I'm happy to announce that Update-2 for LTSP-4.2 is available. > > > > This update contains several minor bug fixes including the updated > > lbuscd, which fixes the "2nd login" problem for local device access. > > > > In addition, we've created an ISO image of the full set of packages, > > for those who would like to download a single file. > > > > Take a look at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42 for > > more information. > > From the wiki: > * VNC - Virtual Network Client > o Added the VNC module for the Xserver for remote desktop shadowing > > Great news Jim! Thanks for accepting Eric's build patch for the Xvnc > module. This should mean that the control and broadcast feature of Correction: control and monitor feature > Fl_TeacherTool should work with any LTSP setup now. :) > > Wondering if K12LTSP 5.0 will ship with this updated version of LTSP? > > > > > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Jul 7 23:15:15 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 16:15:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] installing managing windows apps Message-ID: <44AEEB03.3080606@paasda.org> someone asked about this earlier this week... maybe with www.wpkg.org you could do what you are wanting... --Huck From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Sat Jul 8 01:25:15 2006 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 19:25:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] installing managing windows apps In-Reply-To: <44AEEB03.3080606@paasda.org> References: <44AEEB03.3080606@paasda.org> Message-ID: <44AF097B.6040306@physics.isu.edu> Huck wrote: > someone asked about this earlier this week... > > maybe with www.wpkg.org you could do what you are wanting... > > --Huck > For another option, a guy in my local LUG (ISLUG, http://www.islug.org) wrote win-get, based on apt-get.. I haven't tried it yet but it looks like it could manage an impressive array of apps, and other in the LUG use it all the time and swear by it. Might be worth a look.. From Ryan: "Win-get is an automated install system and software repository for Microsoft Windows written in pascal (for the command line client) and php for the online repository. The ideas for its creation come from apt-get and other related tools for the *nix platforms. The system works by connecting to a link repository. Finding an application and downloading it from the stored link using wget.exe . Then performing the installation routine (silent or standard). And finnally deleting the install file. You can download the installer for the application at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/windows-get You can get more information about the project at and add apps into the system. http://windows-get.sourceforge.net/" Ben From jam at mcquil.com Sat Jul 8 04:09:47 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 00:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP-4.2 Update-2 available In-Reply-To: References: <44ADD3A8.8000508@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <63683.207.61.233.74.1152331787.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Fri, July 7, 2006 4:45 pm, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 7/6/06, Jim McQuillan wrote: >> I'm happy to announce that Update-2 for LTSP-4.2 is available. >> >> This update contains several minor bug fixes including the updated >> lbuscd, which fixes the "2nd login" problem for local device access. >> >> In addition, we've created an ISO image of the full set of packages, >> for those who would like to download a single file. >> >> Take a look at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42 for >> more information. > >>From the wiki: > * VNC - Virtual Network Client > o Added the VNC module for the Xserver for remote desktop > shadowing > > Great news Jim! Thanks for accepting Eric's build patch for the Xvnc > module. This should mean that the control and broadcast feature of > Fl_TeacherTool should work with any LTSP setup now. :) > > Wondering if K12LTSP 5.0 will ship with this updated version of LTSP? Erics latest beta of K12LTSP 5.0 already includes the latest updates. Jim. > > >> >> >> Jim McQuillan >> jam at Ltsp.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sat Jul 8 18:55:30 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 14:55:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP management with Webmin Users and Groups module In-Reply-To: <20060706141151.M90436@winonacotter.org> References: <000101c59c2f$206df440$0178060a@winonacotter.org> <9bd317560607051502h1a03e047vee439c624f821a@mail.gmail.com> <20060706141151.M90436@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <9bd317560607081155i77183650p2d568fac7426e410@mail.gmail.com> >I really wished it worked with the bulk > import scripts but it didn't create the samba users, Shoot, I didn't notice that. :( As a quick fix I guess I could sync the unix and samba users and then just delete the unix accts. Did you ever get IMC working? I'm also running FC4 and am having the same glob errors with imc startup. Thanks, Peter On 7/6/06, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:02:42 -0400, Peter Hartmann wrote > > Wow! Thanks Jim this is awesome! I just created a test user via > > batch file. It's funny though if I try and add a user to the ldap database > > that's already a user on the system it returns : "Duplicate username > > at line 1 : [user]" Question: Why should the ldap database care > > what's in /etc/passwd? This machine is going to be a stand-alone > > ldap server so it's not set to authenticate the the ldap database. > > Umm..I don't have to set it for ldap auth do I? > > No problem. I forgot I even posted that :-) > > I was messing around with a ton of things to try and get LDAP manageable and > finally got the Webmin tool to work. I really wished it worked with the bulk > import scripts but it didn't create the samba users, I had hoped to get the > creator of the module to fix this, but it didn't seem to be a priority. > > As far as your Duplicate username problem, I am not sure. I would assume you > correct and it shouldn't care at all about what is in /etc/passwd. Unless > maybe it isn't looking at /etc/passwd directly. Maybe you have the users and > groups module set to sync local unix users to samba users, so there is already > a samba user that exists and it is this samba user that is causing the > duplicate? I'll bet that is it. > > Glad to see someone is getting some use out of this, maybe if its use really > catches on the bulk import scripts would be fixed and this could be a total > solution finally for samba management with a simple interface. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at midmaine.com Sat Jul 8 22:22:57 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 18:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ldap client setup In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <38815.70.33.151.214.1152397377.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Peter: /etc/ldap.conf governs the client side.. /etc/openldap.conf and slapd.conf are the server side..ship those over and mebbe we can figger it out..chuck From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Jul 9 03:41:13 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 23:41:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ldap client setup In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Question #1....did you run authconfig? There's nothing special to do to a K12LTSP server to make it an LDAP client. Just run authconfig and be done with it. Question #2....are you running the Samba/LDAP server on the same machine as the LTSP server? If so...again....use authconfig. Question #3....Did you use smbldap-installer to set up the ldap server? If not....you did it the hard way. http://www.majen.net/smbldap Works fantastic on Ubuntu....even Dapper....works fine in FC4 and K12LTSP 4.1.....the version for FC5 and K12LTSP 5 is still in beta, but almost ready.....still one nagging nsswitch issue. Just the other day I set up an Ubuntu Samba/LDAP server and authenticated a K12LTSP 5 server to it along with a Windows machine with roaming profiles....worked fantastic. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, July 07, 2006 at 3:50 PM +0000 wrote: >Hey Folks , I'm having a weird problem setting up the ltsp server as >an ldap client. It seems to be using the local /etc/passwd for auth >instead of the ldap server although if the ldap server is disconnected >authentication fails. nfs homes are mounting. Attached is the ltsp >/etc/nsswitch.conf and ldap.conf. I'm wondering what the >difference between /etc/ldap.conf and /etc/openldap/ldap.conf is too. >I've tried to make them look the same. > Little help? > >Thanks, >Peter >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Jul 9 03:50:54 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 23:50:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP-4.2 Update-2 available In-Reply-To: References: <44ADD3A8.8000508@McQuil.com> Message-ID: Huh.....this is weird...because using K12LTSP beta 7 or 8....Gideon Romm and I had it all working (FL_TeacherTool.....control, monitor....the works) at NELS....we just followed the how-to in your documentation. Paul Flint of the Edubuntu project was quite impressed with it....in fact it was a huge selling point for K12LTSP. Are you saying it shouldn't have worked? (we did this June 19th) It did work and I have lots of witnesses. It worked on whatever beta was current the week before the 19th and it was indeed K12LTSP 5 as I was demoing the local devices thing as well. Hmmmm..... "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, July 07, 2006 at 4:45 PM +0000 wrote: >On 7/6/06, Jim McQuillan wrote: >> I'm happy to announce that Update-2 for LTSP-4.2 is available. >> >> This update contains several minor bug fixes including the updated >> lbuscd, which fixes the "2nd login" problem for local device access. >> >> In addition, we've created an ISO image of the full set of packages, >> for those who would like to download a single file. >> >> Take a look at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42 for >> more information. > >>From the wiki: > * VNC - Virtual Network Client > o Added the VNC module for the Xserver for remote desktop >shadowing > >Great news Jim! Thanks for accepting Eric's build patch for the Xvnc >module. This should mean that the control and broadcast feature of >Fl_TeacherTool should work with any LTSP setup now. :) > >Wondering if K12LTSP 5.0 will ship with this updated version of LTSP? > > >> >> >> Jim McQuillan >> jam at Ltsp.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > >-- >Robert Arkiletian >Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada >Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ >C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Jul 9 04:18:44 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 21:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP-4.2 Update-2 available In-Reply-To: References: <44ADD3A8.8000508@McQuil.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Jul 2006, David Trask wrote: > Huh.....this is weird...because using K12LTSP beta 7 or 8.... This is not weird at all. Bug fixes and new features were tested during the K12LTSP 5.0 beta cycle. Once said fixes/features were proven, they were accepted by the up-stream LTSP project and included in their next update. What is so weird about that? -Eric > Gideon Romm > and I had it all working (FL_TeacherTool.....control, monitor....the > works) at NELS....we just followed the how-to in your documentation. Paul > Flint of the Edubuntu project was quite impressed with it....in fact it > was a huge selling point for K12LTSP. Are you saying it shouldn't have > worked? (we did this June 19th) It did work and I have lots of > witnesses. It worked on whatever beta was current the week before the > 19th and it was indeed K12LTSP 5 as I was demoing the local devices thing > as well. Hmmmm..... > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Friday, July 07, 2006 at 4:45 PM +0000 wrote: >> On 7/6/06, Jim McQuillan wrote: >>> I'm happy to announce that Update-2 for LTSP-4.2 is available. >>> >>> This update contains several minor bug fixes including the updated >>> lbuscd, which fixes the "2nd login" problem for local device access. >>> >>> In addition, we've created an ISO image of the full set of packages, >>> for those who would like to download a single file. >>> >>> Take a look at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42 for >>> more information. >> >>> From the wiki: >> * VNC - Virtual Network Client >> o Added the VNC module for the Xserver for remote desktop >> shadowing >> >> Great news Jim! Thanks for accepting Eric's build patch for the Xvnc >> module. This should mean that the control and broadcast feature of >> Fl_TeacherTool should work with any LTSP setup now. :) >> >> Wondering if K12LTSP 5.0 will ship with this updated version of LTSP? >> From jam at mcquil.com Sun Jul 9 13:18:30 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP-4.2 Update-2 available In-Reply-To: References: <44ADD3A8.8000508@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <39257.141.117.254.107.1152451110.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Sun, July 9, 2006 12:18 am, Eric Harrison wrote: > > On Sat, 8 Jul 2006, David Trask wrote: > >> Huh.....this is weird...because using K12LTSP beta 7 or 8.... > > This is not weird at all. Bug fixes and new features were tested during > the K12LTSP 5.0 beta cycle. Once said fixes/features were proven, they > were accepted by the up-stream LTSP project and included in their next > update. What is so weird about that? Thats right. I should definately point out that many of the fixes that went into LTSP-4.2 update-2 were actually in K12ltsp-5.0 beta long before they were in upstream LTSP. So, it's no surprise that many of the things that you heard about in update-2 where already available to you. Jim McQuillan jam at LTsp.org > > -Eric > > >> Gideon Romm >> and I had it all working (FL_TeacherTool.....control, monitor....the >> works) at NELS....we just followed the how-to in your documentation. >> Paul >> Flint of the Edubuntu project was quite impressed with it....in fact it >> was a huge selling point for K12LTSP. Are you saying it shouldn't have >> worked? (we did this June 19th) It did work and I have lots of >> witnesses. It worked on whatever beta was current the week before the >> 19th and it was indeed K12LTSP 5 as I was demoing the local devices >> thing >> as well. Hmmmm..... >> >> >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> on >> Friday, July 07, 2006 at 4:45 PM +0000 wrote: >>> On 7/6/06, Jim McQuillan wrote: >>>> I'm happy to announce that Update-2 for LTSP-4.2 is available. >>>> >>>> This update contains several minor bug fixes including the updated >>>> lbuscd, which fixes the "2nd login" problem for local device access. >>>> >>>> In addition, we've created an ISO image of the full set of packages, >>>> for those who would like to download a single file. >>>> >>>> Take a look at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42 for >>>> more information. >>> >>>> From the wiki: >>> * VNC - Virtual Network Client >>> o Added the VNC module for the Xserver for remote desktop >>> shadowing >>> >>> Great news Jim! Thanks for accepting Eric's build patch for the Xvnc >>> module. This should mean that the control and broadcast feature of >>> Fl_TeacherTool should work with any LTSP setup now. :) >>> >>> Wondering if K12LTSP 5.0 will ship with this updated version of LTSP? >>> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Sun Jul 9 14:16:06 2006 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 10:16:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 beta #12 In-Reply-To: <44AD8CB4.7030103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44AD8CB4.7030103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060709101606.da984410.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 15:20:36 -0700 Eric Harrison wrote: > K12LTSP 5.0.0 beta #12 has been uploaded. This includes another huge set > of updates. > I believe all of the show-stopping bugs have been squashed. I considered > naming this "release-candidate #1", but not all off the changes have > been tested. I'll shoot for having a RC1 release on Saturday. > > > The repositories have been updated, if you have an earlier beta > installed you can simply run "yum update". Ran yum update and the k12ltsp-initialize script. Update (from beta 7 or 8) was almost flawless, thanks for all the good work! The only problem I've seen is I can no longer access the shell with CTRL-ALT-F2. If I put screen01 = shell and screen02 = startx, the terminal won't stop at the shell but will fire up the login GUI. Only way I can get to the shell is by commenting out screen02 = startx, and once I run startx I can no longer get back to the shell. Seems to be a keyboard mapping or an X-server issue....??? My terminal is an Optoma ST320/Jammin 125. Anyone else seeing this? Jesse From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Jul 9 20:40:53 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 16:40:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ldap client setup In-Reply-To: <38815.70.33.151.214.1152397377.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> <38815.70.33.151.214.1152397377.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560607091340h43807bc0q368610eccc542160@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Chuck here they are. Peter On 7/8/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > Peter: /etc/ldap.conf governs the client side.. > /etc/openldap.conf and slapd.conf are the server side..ship those over and > mebbe we can figger it out..chuck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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No. > Question #3....Did you use smbldap-installer to set up the ldap server? Hell yes. Although I did run a couple of times with slightly different settings. I ended up nuking /var/lib/ldap and re-running and I *think* all the other settings went through. Is there anything in particular that might not have been updated with a re-run of the script? I did move the k12 users to the ldap server because I was thinking of using the padl.com migrate_passwd.pl because I thought it actually uses the current passwords (now I don't think it does). But I think this might be causing me some problems because /etc/sysconfig/system-auth checks the login against /etc/passwd first. Right now my client setup definetely checks the local /etc/passwd first. If It doesn't find an entry and does find a ldap user I get asked for Login, Password, Ldap Password but I still can't get in. Can you shed any light on this? Thanks again, Peter On 7/8/06, David Trask wrote: > Question #1....did you run authconfig? There's nothing special to do to a > K12LTSP server to make it an LDAP client. Just run authconfig and be done > with it. > > Question #2....are you running the Samba/LDAP server on the same machine > as the LTSP server? If so...again....use authconfig. > > Question #3....Did you use smbldap-installer to set up the ldap server? > If not....you did it the hard way. http://www.majen.net/smbldap Works > fantastic on Ubuntu....even Dapper....works fine in FC4 and K12LTSP > 4.1.....the version for FC5 and K12LTSP 5 is still in beta, but almost > ready.....still one nagging nsswitch issue. Just the other day I set up > an Ubuntu Samba/LDAP server and authenticated a K12LTSP 5 server to it > along with a Windows machine with roaming profiles....worked fantastic. > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Friday, July 07, 2006 at 3:50 PM +0000 wrote: > >Hey Folks , I'm having a weird problem setting up the ltsp server as > >an ldap client. It seems to be using the local /etc/passwd for auth > >instead of the ldap server although if the ldap server is disconnected > >authentication fails. nfs homes are mounting. Attached is the ltsp > >/etc/nsswitch.conf and ldap.conf. I'm wondering what the > >difference between /etc/ldap.conf and /etc/openldap/ldap.conf is too. > >I've tried to make them look the same. > > Little help? > > > >Thanks, > >Peter > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From moquist at majen.net Sun Jul 9 22:41:02 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 18:41:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMB/LDAP management with Webmin Users and Groups module (Peter Hartmann) In-Reply-To: <20060706160018.934197333F@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060706160018.934197333F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060709224101.GF22648@majen.net> Yes, awesome indeed. I'm very close to a drastic update to the smbldap-installer. * FC5 support is still suffering from the "System Messaging Bus" delay (timeout of some sort) at startup, which seems to be related to the LDAP client configuration. Anybody who runs http://www.majen.net/smbldap/archive/smbldap-installer-2.1.tgz and then debugs the problem can let me know and save me some time figuring this out. :) * Automated configuration of fully-replicating PDC/BDC is almost done! * The Ubuntu client config won't ask any questions any more. (Wish I'd figured this out months ago; it's not hard.) Anyhow, I'd love to help automate a Webmin configuration for Samba/LDAP and I'll be referring back to these notes when I get to that (which may be a while). I'm going to do my darndest to get the next release out before the UNH NELS, which starts a week from tonight. --matt > Wow! Thanks Jim this is awesome! I just created a test user via batch > file. It's funny though if I try and add a user to the ldap database > that's already a user on the system it returns : "Duplicate username > at line 1 : [user]" Question: Why should the ldap database care > what's in /etc/passwd? This machine is going to be a stand-alone > ldap server so it's not set to authenticate the the ldap database. > Umm..I don't have to set it for ldap auth do I? > > Thanks, > Peter > > On 8/8/05, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > You can add/modify/delete users and groups from the LDAP Users and > > groups module. Below I will show my settings for the module as > > configured for version 2.0-alpha of the smb/ldap installer scripts. The > > add users via batch section is all that needs work now. It appears to > > leave out the Samba account options when run. I emailed Jamie Cameron > > to see if he can let me know how to make this work. Anyhow with the > > settings below I am able to login via Linux, via a OSX LDAP enabled > > machine, and join a Windows Machine to the domain and login. I will > > list only fields where I have made changes from the default. This is > > also with the newest stable version of webmin. Disk quotas will also be > > able to be managed via the Webmin Disk Quota module, provided that under > > the Disk and Network Filesystems you have enable User or Group quotas, > > and subsequently enabled Disk Quotas under the Disk Quotas module. > > > > Also in discussion with Jamie Cameron I was informed that the variables > > ${USER} and ${UID} can be used to substitute username and user id > > respectively anywhere in the webmin module configuration. > > > > Here goes: > > > > Linux LDAP NSS library config file: /etc/ldap.conf > > Bind to LDAP server as: cn=manager,dc=yourdomain,dc=org > > Credentials for bind name above: On first access click Set to and enter > > your smb/ldap password as set during script installation, after first > > entry leave set to Don't change > > Base for users: ou=Users,dc=yourdomain,dc=org > > Base for groups: ou=Groups,dc=yourdomain,dc=org > > Other objectClasses to add to new users: top inetOrgPerson > > Full path to slappasswd program: /usr/sbin/slappasswd > > LDAP properties for all new users: sn: ${USER} > > Lowest UID for new users: 1000 > > Default primary group for new users: Domain Users > > Default secondary groups for new users: Domain Users > > Default shell for new users: /bin/bash > > LDAP object class for Samba users: sambaSamAccount > > Enabled Samba account by default?: Yes > > Domain SID for Samba3: S-1-5-21-699950680-3956470712-3012135405 (Please > > use your own sambaSID here :-) > > LDAP properties for new Samba users: > > sambaLogonScript: startup.bat > > sambaProfilePath: \\YOURDOMAIN-PDC\profiles\${USER} > > sambaHomePath: \\YOURDOMAIN-PDC\homes\${USER} > > sambaHomeDrive: X: > > LDAP object class for Samba groups: sambaGroupMapping > > > > Well I hope that helps others out to get webmin working. For now this > > will at least work with using the command line bulk-add scripts to add > > the largest population, then webmin for smaller changes. I will post > > out if I get a fix from Jamie. Or if anyone else tries this let me know > > if you can get the batch import to work. > > > > Also I found that to get default OSX settings out you can create a > > Library folder in /etc/skel and copy the files you want to default into > > that folder. Say you create a custom dock you can take Macintosh > > HD:Users:test user:Library:Preferences:com.apple.dock.plist and move it > > to /etc/skel/Library/Preferences/com.apple.dock.plist on the linux > > server and all new users will receive the custom dock. > > > > Also since OSX and Linux use the same desktop folder and same /home by > > default I will try to create scripts make the windows desktop point to > > /home/user/desktop and to point My Documents to /home/user. This should > > make profile roaming seamless between Ops. I think I can for the most > > part use the scripts posted in the last couple weeks. > > > > > > Jim Kronebusch > > Cotter Tech Department > > 507-453-5188 > > jim at winonacotter.org -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: If I mount /home on another server will that increase the performance of K12LTSP (by reducing the HD work required by K12LTSP server)? I have 2 MB RAM on the main server. Both servers have 120GB SATA HDs and 2500XP CPUS. -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Jul 10 00:42:50 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:42:50 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: Vmware as base for K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I didn 't get any reply to this message. Any feedback? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Krsnendu Dasa Date: 21-Jun-2006 15:45 Subject: Vmware as base for K12LTSP To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Is it worth running K12LTSP as a Vmware virtual machine to make it easier to backup and move from one server to another etc. Or will it add to much overhead. Are there any other disadvantages? e.g. using sound on terminals I am also considering using VMware for another server I have for asterisk, library system, backuppc and a windows xp install for any legacy apps. If I used the free VMserver what would be the minimum system needed to install it? Ubuntu server? Fedora minimum? -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Jul 10 01:03:36 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:03:36 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] When is SMB-LDAP needed? Message-ID: When is SMB-LDAP needed? I installed SMBLDAP because I had windows computers in each classroom (for multimedia (Director) apps) and I wanted each user to have one login /home directory regardless of where they logged in. I have since got rid of the windows computer because they were too much extra hastle. So now I only have ltsp clients in the classroom. Is there any need to keep using SMBLDAP for authentication. Is there any advantage or disadvantage vs basic linux authentication. I am thinking of installing K12LTSP 5 on a new server (current server is K12LTSP 4.2.1)and transfering user accounts to the new server.Which one is easier for transfering user accounts from one installation to the other? I am also thinking of setting up VMWare server with Windows XP for legacy apps. Would there be any advantage to using LDAP along with this setup? Here are a few pluses and minuses I thought of Pluses for local authentication: Users can change their own passwords, which they can't do with SMBLDAP. Its all ready to go, no need to set up SMBLDAP GUI easier to use. Pluses for SMBLDAP More portable - can add another K12LTSP server and authenticate to existing LDAP SMB and LDAP are synchronized - no need to separately add entries for SMB users Have option to go back to windows domain logins for windows machines. Teachers still have windows laptops and the office has windows too, but they are stand alone and don't login to the domain as the classroom computers did. They use workgroups for file sharing. -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jam at mcquil.com Mon Jul 10 01:11:49 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 21:11:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Does nfs mounted /home increase performance? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44B1A955.4080004@McQuil.com> Krsnendu, It all depends on what you are doing in the users home directories. If lots of people are saving files and reading files from their home directory, or, if they are storing their mail folders in their homedir, then yes, it could possibly give you some better performance. For my customers, I set the up with a vertical application, and they never ever use their home directories, so in there case, the /home is only touched at login time, and then, only briefly. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > If I mount /home on another server will that increase the performance > of K12LTSP (by reducing the HD work required by K12LTSP server)? > I have 2 MB RAM on the main server. Both servers have 120GB SATA HDs > and 2500XP CPUS. > > > -- > Please note my new email address- > krsnendu108 at gmail.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jam at mcquil.com Mon Jul 10 01:13:00 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 21:13:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: Vmware as base for K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44B1A99C.8030309@McQuil.com> Krsnendu, In my opinion, the overhead of vmware would be a bad thing. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > I didn 't get any reply to this message. Any feedback? > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Krsnendu Dasa* < krsnendu108 at gmail.com > > > Date: 21-Jun-2006 15:45 > Subject: Vmware as base for K12LTSP > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > Is it worth running K12LTSP as a Vmware virtual machine to make it > easier to backup and move from one server to another etc. Or will it > add to much overhead. Are there any other disadvantages? e.g. using > sound on terminals > I am also considering using VMware for another server I have for > asterisk, library system, backuppc and a windows xp install for any > legacy apps. If I used the free VMserver what would be the minimum > system needed to install it? Ubuntu server? Fedora minimum? > > -- > Please note my new email address- > krsnendu108 at gmail.com > > > -- > Please note my new email address- > krsnendu108 at gmail.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Jul 10 01:14:35 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:14:35 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Does nfs mounted /home increase performance? In-Reply-To: <44B1A955.4080004@McQuil.com> References: <44B1A955.4080004@McQuil.com> Message-ID: > > > For my customers, I set the up with a vertical application, and they > never ever use their home directories, so in there case, the /home is > only touched at login time, and then, only briefly. Sorry I didn't understand this part. Could you explain it a bit more for me? Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > If I mount /home on another server will that increase the performance > > of K12LTSP (by reducing the HD work required by K12LTSP server)? > > I have 2 MB RAM on the main server. Both servers have 120GB SATA HDs > > and 2500XP CPUS. > > > > > > -- > > Please note my new email address- > > krsnendu108 at gmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jam at mcquil.com Mon Jul 10 01:21:27 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 21:21:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Does nfs mounted /home increase performance? In-Reply-To: References: <44B1A955.4080004@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <44B1AB97.6090107@McQuil.com> Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > > For my customers, I set the up with a vertical application, and they > never ever use their home directories, so in there case, the /home is > only touched at login time, and then, only briefly. > > > Sorry I didn't understand this part. Could you explain it a bit more > for me? My customers use a medical billing application that updates a database. Nothing is stored in the users home directory, so in their case, a faster homedir wouldn't help them. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > If I mount /home on another server will that increase the > performance > > of K12LTSP (by reducing the HD work required by K12LTSP server)? > > I have 2 MB RAM on the main server. Both servers have 120GB SATA > HDs > > and 2500XP CPUS. > > > > > > -- > > Please note my new email address- > > krsnendu108 at gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > -- > Please note my new email address- > krsnendu108 at gmail.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Jul 10 01:32:47 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:32:47 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Does nfs mounted /home increase performance? In-Reply-To: <44B1AB97.6090107@McQuil.com> References: <44B1A955.4080004@McQuil.com> <44B1AB97.6090107@McQuil.com> Message-ID: On 10/07/06, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > > Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > > > > > For my customers, I set the up with a vertical application, and > they > > never ever use their home directories, so in there case, the /home > is > > only touched at login time, and then, only briefly. > > > > > > Sorry I didn't understand this part. Could you explain it a bit more > > for me? > > My customers use a medical billing application that updates a database. > Nothing is stored in the users home directory, so in their case, a > faster homedir wouldn't help them. So there files are stored in a different part of the files system. As a school do you think there would be much benefit. Kids do wordprocessing, slideshows and interent browsing mostly. Enough use to benefit moving /home? Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > > If I mount /home on another server will that increase the > > performance > > > of K12LTSP (by reducing the HD work required by K12LTSP server)? > > > I have 2 MB RAM on the main server. 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URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Jul 10 02:59:46 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 22:59:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ldap client setup In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607091356p7c83f01dj98fe4d4090a3cb3f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> < > <9bd317560607091356p7c83f01dj98fe4d4090a3cb3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sun Jul 9 2006 at 16:56 +0000 wrote: >I did move the k12 users to the ldap server because I was >thinking of using the padl.com migrate_passwd.pl because I thought it >actually uses the current passwords (now I don't think it does). But >I think this might be causing me some problems because >/etc/sysconfig/system-auth checks the login against /etc/passwd first. > Right now my client setup definetely checks the local /etc/passwd >first. If It doesn't find an entry and does find a ldap user I get >asked for Login, Password, Ldap Password but I still can't get in. Can >you shed any light on this? There shouldn't be any users on the K12LTSP box....yes....it will check local users/passwords first....so don't have any users on the k12ltsp box David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Jul 10 03:02:06 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 23:02:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP-4.2 Update-2 available In-Reply-To: <39257.141.117.254.107.1152451110.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> References: <39257.141.117.254.107.1152451110.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: jam at mcquil.com on Sun Jul 9 2006 at 09:18 +0000 wrote: >Thats right. I should definately point out that many of the fixes that >went into LTSP-4.2 update-2 were actually in K12ltsp-5.0 beta long before >they were in upstream LTSP. So, it's no surprise that many of the things >that you heard about in update-2 where already available to you. That explains it! Cool! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Jul 10 03:03:54 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 23:03:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP-4.2 Update-2 available In-Reply-To: References: <44ADD3A8.8000508@McQuil.com> < > < > Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sun Jul 9 2006 at 00:18 +0000 wrote: >This is not weird at all. Bug fixes and new features were tested during >the K12LTSP 5.0 beta cycle. Once said fixes/features were proven, they >were accepted by the up-stream LTSP project and included in their next >update. What is so weird about that? Oh....I got it backwards David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Mon Jul 10 03:13:24 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 22:13:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Does nfs mounted /home increase performance? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1152501204.18575.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 19:38, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > If I mount /home on another server will that increase the performance > of K12LTSP (by reducing the HD work required by K12LTSP server)? > I have 2 MB RAM on the main server. Both servers have 120GB SATA HDs > and 2500XP CPUS. It might help slightly to have /home on a 2nd physical drive but if you only use one server you'd probably do as well or better by putting both disks in the same machine. The big win with NFS-mounted /home comes when you have multiple k12ltsp servers sharing the load with access to the same files. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ssanders at coin.org Mon Jul 10 04:29:43 2006 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 23:29:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: Vmware as base for K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1152505783.5107.4.camel@bofh.ltsp> On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 12:42 +1200, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > Is it worth running K12LTSP as a Vmware virtual machine to make it > easier to backup and move from one server to another etc. Or will it > add to much overhead. Are there any other disadvantages? Krsnendu, the VMware beta server requires 512 meg of ram for a minimal install. If you are using K12LTSP for more than a few clients, you hopefully would have quite a bit more ram already. VMware server can be sluggish on graphics and I/O unless you install the VMware Tools. I would think that the additional overhead could hurt K12LTSP performance unless you have great hardware. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 10 05:37:42 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 beta #12 In-Reply-To: <20060709101606.da984410.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> References: <44AD8CB4.7030103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060709101606.da984410.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Jul 2006, Jesse McDonnell wrote: > On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 15:20:36 -0700 > Eric Harrison wrote: > >> K12LTSP 5.0.0 beta #12 has been uploaded. This includes another huge set >> of updates. > >> I believe all of the show-stopping bugs have been squashed. I considered >> naming this "release-candidate #1", but not all off the changes have >> been tested. I'll shoot for having a RC1 release on Saturday. >> >> >> The repositories have been updated, if you have an earlier beta >> installed you can simply run "yum update". > > Ran yum update and the k12ltsp-initialize script. Update (from beta 7 or 8) > was almost flawless, thanks for all the good work! The only problem I've > seen is I can no longer access the shell with CTRL-ALT-F2. > > If I put screen01 = shell and screen02 = startx, the terminal won't stop at > the shell but will fire up the login GUI. Only way I can get to the shell > is by commenting out screen02 = startx, and once I run startx I can no > longer get back to the shell. Seems to be a keyboard mapping or an X-server > issue....??? > > My terminal is an Optoma ST320/Jammin 125. > > Anyone else seeing this? I can confirm this. I wiped out /opt/ltsp/i386, ran the LTSP installer, and had the same problem - there are reasonable odds that it is not a K12LTSP-specific bug. Jim, do you see the same thing? Will dig into it deeper tomorrow... -Eric From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 10 13:07:06 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:07:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP management with Webmin Users and Groups module In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607081155i77183650p2d568fac7426e410@mail.gmail.com> References: <000101c59c2f$206df440$0178060a@winonacotter.org> <9bd317560607051502h1a03e047vee439c624f821a@mail.gmail.com> <20060706141151.M90436@winonacotter.org> <9bd317560607081155i77183650p2d568fac7426e410@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060710125931.M45456@winonacotter.org> On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 14:55:30 -0400, Peter Hartmann wrote > >I really wished it worked with the bulk > > import scripts but it didn't create the samba users, > > Shoot, I didn't notice that. :( As a quick fix I guess I could sync > the unix and samba users and then just delete the unix accts. Did > you ever get IMC working? I'm also running FC4 and am having the > same glob errors with imc startup. Yeah, that was a big hang up for me, only part missing to make it a complete solution for managing the samba/ldap. However you can simply use Matt and Dave's bulk import scripts at the command line to get the server populated, then use Webmin for management after that. Never got IMC working. I had enough things to try, so I gave up on it pretty quickly. Support for IMC didn't seem to be very good. I am still subscribed to the IMC mailing list and get about 1 or 2 posts a month from it, not very helpful. I tried about a half dozen management tools, none worked as a complete management solution, I always had to combine at least 2 tools to get things done. I do think that if the bulk import in Webmin worked to create the Samba users that would be the best tool so far. I think if you did set it up to sync samba users on import you would have another problem, first, all of those local unix accounts for no reason, not really a problem but messy. Second, I think a problem with the creation of the samba accounts is the bulk import didn't know enough to grab the defaults for account creation as specified in the LDAP module. So you could create all of the users, but they wouldn't have the proper /home directory path and such. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 10 13:18:52 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:18:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMB/LDAP management with Webmin Users and Groups module (Peter Hartmann) In-Reply-To: <20060709224101.GF22648@majen.net> References: <20060706160018.934197333F@hormel.redhat.com> <20060709224101.GF22648@majen.net> Message-ID: <20060710130716.M58151@winonacotter.org> On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 18:41:02 -0400, Matt Oquist wrote > Yes, awesome indeed. I'm very close to a drastic update to the > smbldap-installer. > > * FC5 support is still suffering from the "System Messaging Bus" delay > (timeout of some sort) at startup, which seems to be related to > the LDAP client configuration. Anybody who runs > http://www.majen.net/smbldap/archive/smbldap-installer-2.1.tgz and > then debugs the problem can let me know and save me some time > figuring this out. :) * Automated configuration of fully-replicating > PDC/BDC is almost done! * The Ubuntu client config won't ask any > questions any more. (Wish I'd figured this out months ago; it's not > hard.) > > Anyhow, I'd love to help automate a Webmin configuration for > Samba/LDAP and I'll be referring back to these notes when I get to > that (which may be a while). If you get to the point of working with the webmin stuff that would be cool. The installer script kicks a$$ already. Having a GUI management that was complete would be awesome, only the bulk import part is missing for Webmin. And there is no funny business to getting webmin to work, any user of any level can get it going with the right info in the module config. I can't say that for most of the other options I tried. Even though we all know the command line works great, GUI management is a must for most admins. I wish I could have used all of this. However the day before I went live with my "Ultimate" setup I found a huge show stopper that made me revert everything back to where I started. With my OSX machines using LDAP and auto mounting /home via NFS, file types were not recognized. All files without extensions simply got stupid and OSX could no longer magically figure out which app made them. For my users here that would have been the end of the world. Teaching them how to add extensions to the end of a few hundred thousand files (thanks OS9 and you lack of extensions!) would have never flew, even if they knew what extension were :-) However I did save a post I saw a few days ago regarding how to mount /home via samba as opposed to NFS. I want to give this a try, if it works I will be back in business. Thanks again for all of your hard work on this script Matt. Even though you stated before that you think the new samba may make this script a thing of the past, I kind of doubt it. Your script takes all of the know how out and just provides something that works. Even to configure the new samba I'll bet a user will need to know to set it up. So even if your script evolves to simply being a single click tool to configuring samba, it will still be handy. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Jul 10 13:24:06 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:24:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ldap client setup In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> < > <, > <, > <9bd317560607091356p7c83f01dj98fe4d4090a3cb3f@mail.gmail.com> <,> Message-ID: Sorry for the short answer....it was late. The issue is probably nsswitch.conf. There's no problem that I can se other than the authentication is looking for local users first....it always does....so you can use a few predetermined users (local) on the server....if for some reason LDAP didn't work....you'd be locked out until you went into single user mode and fixed some things. You'll notice that /etc/nsswitch.conf shows "files ldap" in that order......this basically means it checks local first then ldap (as it should). Now.....which version of the smbldap-installer are you using? What did you install onto FC4...FC5...K12LTSP 4.4 or 5? The latest version, as Matt indicated in his post, has an issue with a "dbus" timeout that appears to be directly related to nsswitch in FC5 (K12LTSP 5). I'd limit the number of local users on the server to just a few to keep from confusing things. Let me know what versions you're using and we'll take it from there. "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Sun Jul 9 2006 at 16:56 +0000 wrote: >>I did move the k12 users to the ldap server because I was >>thinking of using the padl.com migrate_passwd.pl because I thought it >>actually uses the current passwords (now I don't think it does). But >>I think this might be causing me some problems because >>/etc/sysconfig/system-auth checks the login against /etc/passwd first. >> Right now my client setup definetely checks the local /etc/passwd >>first. If It doesn't find an entry and does find a ldap user I get >>asked for Login, Password, Ldap Password but I still can't get in. Can >>you shed any light on this? > > >There shouldn't be any users on the K12LTSP box....yes....it will check >local users/passwords first....so don't have any users on the k12ltsp box > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Director >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From timothy.hart at gmail.com Mon Jul 10 14:34:46 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:34:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NWEA Message-ID: <464c38cc0607100734t7911820avf3c3143959636542@mail.gmail.com> A while back there was a short discussion about the NWEA in a Linux environment. People were talking about doing it through Windows Terminal Services. So... anyone have any luck? Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So... anyone have any luck? > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From timothy.hart at gmail.com Mon Jul 10 15:14:39 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:14:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NWEA In-Reply-To: <1152543793.7343.12.camel@linux.site> References: <464c38cc0607100734t7911820avf3c3143959636542@mail.gmail.com> <1152543793.7343.12.camel@linux.site> Message-ID: <464c38cc0607100814w6d8b6d87v3c6bb2dffc354237@mail.gmail.com> Are you using Windows Server 2003? Also, I am new to the NWEA, do you need sound? If you wouldn't mind describing your setup a little more I would be very grateful. Thanks for the report. Tim On 7/10/06, Chris Bacigalupo wrote: > > yep we do it all the time 100% fuctioning > > use rdesktop > > we have it set so that the test proctor has to hit ctrl-alt-f4 and > launches winterm services via rdesktop. We have 30 winterm CALs. It auto > launches as the "test taker" user which in winterm autolaunches the > testkr.exe and walla.. a few quick screen flips and we're in > > On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 10:34 -0400, Timothy Hart wrote: > > A while back there was a short discussion about the NWEA in a Linux > > environment. People were talking about doing it through Windows > > Terminal Services. So... anyone have any luck? > > > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neiffer at gmail.com Mon Jul 10 15:22:47 2006 From: neiffer at gmail.com (Jason Neiffer) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:22:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Server specs....how low can you go? Message-ID: <993ff5300607100822q6a0bba0doce1ec219d11a8335@mail.gmail.com> I am working with a small business who is looking for 2-3 workstations to surf the Internet on a broadband connection they have going into their shop. They were going to go purchase a coulpe of low-end Dells but I suggested they look into LTSP. I am fairly sure I can come up with cheap thin clients but I want to get as inexpensive of a server as possible. How low can I go on the specs? I was looking at http://k12ltsp.org/install.html and it suggested that I could get away with something as low as a PIII/1gig or faster. Would that be a workable solution in this environment? How about if I wanted to use K12LTSP 5 when it was released? Does anybody have experience with using it with just a few computers that could share? Thanks, Jason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 16:20:30 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Server specs....how low can you go? In-Reply-To: <993ff5300607100822q6a0bba0doce1ec219d11a8335@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060710162030.62021.qmail@web31609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jason, At home, I've got an 800 MHz PC with only 384 MB RAM running K12LTSP 4.4.1. We primarily use it as a Samba file server for our home network. Occassionally I run a lower spec PC off of it as a thin client. It works okay, though the graphical environment (whether Gnome or KDE) and Firefox are a little slow to load, and Firefox especially is a little sluggish even after it's loaded. Though I'm sure more memory would fix that problem. I don't think I've tried running more than one thin client at a time off of it, though I could try that this evening just to see what would happen. David Whitmer ----- Original Message ---- From: Jason Neiffer To: K12OSN at redhat.com Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:22:47 AM Subject: [K12OSN] Server specs....how low can you go? I am working with a small business who is looking for 2-3 workstations to surf the Internet on a broadband connection they have going into their shop. They were going to go purchase a coulpe of low-end Dells but I suggested they look into LTSP. I am fairly sure I can come up with cheap thin clients but I want to get as inexpensive of a server as possible. How low can I go on the specs? I was looking at http://k12ltsp.org/install.html and it suggested that I could get away with something as low as a PIII/1gig or faster. Would that be a workable solution in this environment? How about if I wanted to use K12LTSP 5 when it was released? Does anybody have experience with using it with just a few computers that could share? Thanks, Jason _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andyr at wizzy.com Mon Jul 10 16:29:15 2006 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:29:15 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Server specs....how low can you go? In-Reply-To: <993ff5300607100822q6a0bba0doce1ec219d11a8335@mail.gmail.com> References: <993ff5300607100822q6a0bba0doce1ec219d11a8335@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060710162915.GH9611@wizzy.com> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Jason Neiffer wrote: > Does anybody have experience with using it with just a few computers that > could share? I run 2 clients on a 500Mhz Pentium with 512Meg RAM as a little iCafe. It does have OpenOffice, but it is primarily used for the browser. Cheers, Andy! From petre at maltzen.net Mon Jul 10 16:38:19 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:38:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server specs....how low can you go? In-Reply-To: <20060710162030.62021.qmail@web31609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060710162030.62021.qmail@web31609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44B2827B.2080205@maltzen.net> IceWM, which is included in K12LTSP, is much less resource-hungry than Gnome or KDE. Petre David Whitmer wrote: > Jason, > > At home, I've got an 800 MHz PC with only 384 MB RAM running K12LTSP > 4.4.1. We primarily use it as a Samba file server for our home > network. Occassionally I run a lower spec PC off of it as a thin > client. It works okay, though the graphical environment (whether Gnome > or KDE) and Firefox are a little slow to load, and Firefox especially is > a little sluggish even after it's loaded. Though I'm sure more memory > would fix that problem. I don't think I've tried running more than one > thin client at a time off of it, though I could try that this evening > just to see what would happen. > > David Whitmer > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jason Neiffer > To: K12OSN at redhat.com > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:22:47 AM > Subject: [K12OSN] Server specs....how low can you go? > > I am working with a small business who is looking for 2-3 workstations > to surf the Internet on a broadband connection they have going into > their shop. They were going to go purchase a coulpe of low-end Dells > but I suggested they look into LTSP. > > I am fairly sure I can come up with cheap thin clients but I want to get > as inexpensive of a server as possible. How low can I go on the specs? > I was looking at http://k12ltsp.org/install.html > and it suggested that I could get away > with something as low as a PIII/1gig or faster. Would that be a > workable solution in this environment? How about if I wanted to use > K12LTSP 5 when it was released? > > Does anybody have experience with using it with just a few computers > that could share? > > Thanks, > Jason > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 16:53:22 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Server specs....how low can you go? In-Reply-To: <44B2827B.2080205@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20060710165322.48913.qmail@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'd certainly agree, though I don't like to use it (just a personal preference). Xfce is less resource-hungry, too. David ----- Original Message ---- From: Petre Scheie To: David Whitmer ; Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 12:38:19 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Server specs....how low can you go? IceWM, which is included in K12LTSP, is much less resource-hungry than Gnome or KDE. Petre David Whitmer wrote: > Jason, > > At home, I've got an 800 MHz PC with only 384 MB RAM running K12LTSP > 4.4.1. We primarily use it as a Samba file server for our home > network. Occassionally I run a lower spec PC off of it as a thin > client. It works okay, though the graphical environment (whether Gnome > or KDE) and Firefox are a little slow to load, and Firefox especially is > a little sluggish even after it's loaded. Though I'm sure more memory > would fix that problem. I don't think I've tried running more than one > thin client at a time off of it, though I could try that this evening > just to see what would happen. > > David Whitmer From deliot at pylusd.org Mon Jul 10 17:03:43 2006 From: deliot at pylusd.org (Eliot, Dan) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:03:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Newbie Question Message-ID: First off, I love k12ltsp... just had to point that out. I'm a newbie, and I've figured out most of this stuff (and learned a little Linux) over the past month or so as my students finished out the school year. I've gotten my server up and working, clients connecting, etc. What I don't know exactly how to do is the following: At our school, students login to a networked Windows 2000 server. They have a Windows network user ID and Password, and once logged in (via a DOS login script they run), a U: drive (user drive) shows up on their windows desktop where they can save work. The U: drive maps to a folder on the Windows server once authentication has happened. What I would like to have happen is that they can use the same Windows user ID and Pass on my new k12ltsp server. If that user ID and password checks out via the Windows server, they can authenticate a session on the ltsp server. Also, I would like them to be able to mount the same U: drive found on the Windows server to their LTSP desktop. So basically, I need the LTSP clients to authenticate via a Windows server and mount a folder via the network. If anybody can point me toward any documentation, tutorial, or software that would accomplish this, I'd appreciate it. Once I get an idea as to WHERE to look, I should be able to take care of it from there. I am a VB, Java, PHP/MySQL, C/C++ programming teacher, so hopefully all I really need is to be pointed in the right direction. Thanks, Dan ---- Dan Eliot, Computer Science Teacher El Dorado High School 1651 N. Valencia, Placentia, CA, USA deliot at pylusd.org, 714-993-5350 x7506 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Mon Jul 10 17:29:39 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:29:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Server specs....how low can you go? In-Reply-To: <20060710162030.62021.qmail@web31609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060710162030.62021.qmail@web31609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44B28E83.9010503@saskforestcentre.ca> I've found that if the console is fast enough, the client is fast enough. What I do with my home system (admittedly a little faster, but whatever) is load the likely files into RAM by creating a VNCserver which preloads openoffice, firefox, thunderbird and kate into a gnome session (my users' default wm) so that the programs are already running. The RAM footprint is worth the decreased startup. This is all done by a dummy user on a firewalled vnc session, so nobody ever sees it. It's cheesy, but is works. Angus. David Whitmer wrote: > Jason, > > At home, I've got an 800 MHz PC with only 384 MB RAM running K12LTSP 4.4.1. We primarily use it as a Samba file server for our home network. Occassionally I run a lower spec PC off of it as a thin client. It works okay, though the graphical environment (whether Gnome or KDE) and Firefox are a little slow to load, and Firefox especially is a little sluggish even after it's loaded. Though I'm sure more memory would fix that problem. I don't think I've tried running more than one thin client at a time off of it, though I could try that this evening just to see what would happen. > > David Whitmer > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jason Neiffer > To: K12OSN at redhat.com > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:22:47 AM > Subject: [K12OSN] Server specs....how low can you go? > > I am working with a small business who is looking for 2-3 workstations to surf the Internet on a broadband connection they have going into their shop. They were going to go purchase a coulpe of low-end Dells but I suggested they look into LTSP. > > I am fairly sure I can come up with cheap thin clients but I want to get as inexpensive of a server as possible. How low can I go on the specs? I was looking at http://k12ltsp.org/install.html and it suggested that I could get away with something as low as a PIII/1gig or faster. Would that be a workable solution in this environment? How about if I wanted to use K12LTSP 5 when it was released? > > Does anybody have experience with using it with just a few computers that could share? > > Thanks, > Jason > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cliebow at midmaine.com Mon Jul 10 17:59:10 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Newbie Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39955.169.244.70.146.1152554350.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> you can set up winbind to authenticate to windows active directory..there are some configs on the wiki.ltsp.org if you want to hunt em up..maybe in windows integration section..chuck > First off, I love k12ltsp... just had to point that out. > > I'm a newbie, and I've figured out most of this stuff (and learned a > little Linux) over the past month or so as my students finished out the > school year. I've gotten my server up and working, clients connecting, > etc. What I don't know exactly how to do is the following: > > At our school, students login to a networked Windows 2000 server. They > have a Windows network user ID and Password, and once logged in (via a DOS > login script they run), a U: drive (user drive) shows up on their windows > desktop where they can save work. The U: drive maps to a folder on the > Windows server once authentication has happened. > > What I would like to have happen is that they can use the same Windows > user ID and Pass on my new k12ltsp server. If that user ID and password > checks out via the Windows server, they can authenticate a session on the > ltsp server. Also, I would like them to be able to mount the same U: > drive found on the Windows server to their LTSP desktop. So basically, I > need the LTSP clients to authenticate via a Windows server and mount a > folder via the network. > > If anybody can point me toward any documentation, tutorial, or software > that would accomplish this, I'd appreciate it. Once I get an idea as to > WHERE to look, I should be able to take care of it from there. > > I am a VB, Java, PHP/MySQL, C/C++ programming teacher, so hopefully all I > really need is to be pointed in the right direction. > > Thanks, > Dan > > > ---- > Dan Eliot, Computer Science Teacher > El Dorado High School > 1651 N. Valencia, Placentia, CA, USA > deliot at pylusd.org, 714-993-5350 x7506 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 10 17:52:56 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:52:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Newbie Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44B293F8.20509@mesd.k12.or.us> Eliot, Dan wrote: > What I would like to have happen is that they can use the same Windows > user ID and Pass on my new k12ltsp server. If that user ID and password > checks out via the Windows server, they can authenticate a session on > the ltsp server. Also, I would like them to be able to mount the same > U: drive found on the Windows server to their LTSP desktop. So > basically, I need the LTSP clients to authenticate via a Windows server > and mount a folder via the network. Winbind (part of the Samba project) does authentication against a Windows server. I'll just give a pointer, since that's what you asked for: http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba3-HOWTO/winbind.html -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Mon Jul 10 18:18:43 2006 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:18:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: Vmware as base for K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <20060710160019.BB693734D1@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060710160019.BB693734D1@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1152555523.9413.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> I didn't want to say anything yet (and jynx my project), but I just got a new server (dual 3.6 GHZ with Hyperthreading) and VMware ESX 3.0. My goal is to put my k12ltsp server on top of ESX. I'll let the list know how that goes. It basically is going to inhabit the same server as MS terminal services, Exchange, and the Linux home directory server...so it'll be a good stress test at least. 8 Gigs of ram at the moment, but going up to 12 soon. My hope with using K12LTSP in a VM is that I can deploy new versions side by side and migrate users over after I test it.... and keep the old machine powered off as a backup. Then I'll still have 3 other servers using VMware server as additional horsepower for other VMs. Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School > Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 23:29:43 -0500 > From: ssanders at coin.org > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Fwd: Vmware as base for K12LTSP > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <1152505783.5107.4.camel at bofh.ltsp> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 12:42 +1200, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > > Is it worth running K12LTSP as a Vmware virtual machine to make it > > easier to backup and move from one server to another etc. Or will it > > add to much overhead. Are there any other disadvantages? > > Krsnendu, the VMware beta server requires 512 meg of ram for a minimal > install. If you are using K12LTSP for more than a few clients, you > hopefully would have quite a bit more ram already. VMware server can be > sluggish on graphics and I/O unless you install the VMware Tools. I > would think that the additional overhead could hurt K12LTSP performance > unless you have great hardware. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william at fragakis.com Mon Jul 10 18:39:55 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:39:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server specs....how low can you go? In-Reply-To: <20060710160019.D765973509@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060710160019.D765973509@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1152556795.19609.31.camel@server.ltsp> Short answer: PIII 1 ghz is fine for 4-5 business users. We serve that many students with a PIII or Celeron 1.8 and students tend to use higher overhead programs such as Flash, etc. We had 4 students working off our original test bed- Athlon 800 mhz with 386mb ram! Didn't mean to put that box into production but it did fine. Long answer: http://morrisbrandon.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=38 This is based on our experiences - ymmv (your mileage may vary) regards, William morrisbrandon.com On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:22:47 -0600 > From: "Jason Neiffer" > Subject: [K12OSN] Server specs....how low can you go? > To: K12OSN at redhat.com > Message-ID: > <993ff5300607100822q6a0bba0doce1ec219d11a8335 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I am working with a small business who is looking for 2-3 workstations > to > surf the Internet on a broadband connection they have going into their > shop. They were going to go purchase a coulpe of low-end Dells but I > suggested they look into LTSP. > > I am fairly sure I can come up with cheap thin clients but I want to > get as > inexpensive of a server as possible. How low can I go on the specs? > I was > looking at http://k12ltsp.org/install.html and it suggested that I > could get > away with something as low as a PIII/1gig or faster. Would that be a > workable solution in this environment? How about if I wanted to use > K12LTSP > 5 when it was released? > > Does anybody have experience with using it with just a few computers > that > could share? > > Thanks, > Jason > From robark at gmail.com Mon Jul 10 19:21:19 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:21:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: Vmware as base for K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1152555523.9413.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060710160019.BB693734D1@hormel.redhat.com> <1152555523.9413.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 7/10/06, Henry Burroughs wrote: > > I didn't want to say anything yet (and jynx my project), but I just got a > new server (dual 3.6 GHZ with Hyperthreading) and VMware ESX 3.0. My goal > is to put my k12ltsp server on top of ESX. I'll let the list know how that > goes. It basically is going to inhabit the same server as MS terminal > services, Exchange, and the Linux home directory server...so it'll be a good > stress test at least. 8 Gigs of ram at the moment, but going up to 12 soon. > My hope with using K12LTSP in a VM is that I can deploy new versions side > by side and migrate users over after I test it.... and keep the old machine > powered off as a backup. > This idea of using vmware and other virtualization technology (Xen) has come up a few times on this list. Basically if you have a server powerful enough it's not a bad idea to stick both LTSP and Windows Terminal server on one box using different VMs. Except for one thing: CPU technology is not there yet. The first gen of virtualization extensions is called Pacifica (AMD AM2) and VT (Intel Pentium D 9xx or the New Dual Core Xeons). These new cpu's allow running an unmodified OS (eg Windows) in a VM using Xen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xen_(virtual_machine_monitor). Read "Paravirtualization with Xen" from the link above. Previously, the only way to do this was to use VMware but the overhead of running an unmodified OS was big, so it was slow and resource hungry. But now Xen and these new cpu's can run Windows or any OS in a VM much faster. However, for our purposes it's still not enough. The servers we setup: LTSP or Windows Terminal Servers are Network I/O intensive. There is no I/O virtualization, YET. So it's still going to be sub-optimal. However, AMD has I/O virtualization (called IOMMU) down the road. http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/34434.pdf The second gen of cpu virtualization extensions (expected in 2007) will have I/O virtualization. From my understanding you should be able to pop in another NIC and assign it to a specific VM (eg your Windows Terminal Server). That's when this is really going to take off. Till then the best use for VM's are on a THICK client running Windows. Just start a VM and PXE boot to start an LTSP session. So you can run Windows and LTSP on the client at the same time without rebooting. BTW RHEL 5.0 is supposed to have Xen and virtualization support built in. Exciting times ahead. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From aahodson at episd.org Mon Jul 10 19:31:30 2006 From: aahodson at episd.org (Alan Hodson) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:31:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP V(?) for updated MOODLE apps Message-ID: Hi gang We expect a robust demand for Moodle in the servers running K12LTSP. My question is, what is the process for requesting/suggesting upgrades to 'yum' for the latest Moodle, php and MySQL, so that say v.4.4.2 (or newer) run the latest apps needed? As far as I can tell my 'yum updates' are a couple of versions behind in these apps. Thanks to all for the great work you do in helping us work with teachers and students. Alan A Hodson MEd. oF: 915-887-6871 fX: 915-779-4100 aahodson at episd.org http://links.episd.org/ Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away -=o=- From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 10 20:27:38 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:27:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP V(?) for updated MOODLE apps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44B2B83A.90805@mesd.k12.or.us> Alan Hodson wrote: > We expect a robust demand for Moodle in the servers running K12LTSP. My > question is, what is the process for requesting/suggesting upgrades to > 'yum' for the latest Moodle, php and MySQL, so that say v.4.4.2 (or > newer) run the latest apps needed? As far as I can tell my 'yum updates' > are a couple of versions behind in these apps. v4.4.2 will have roughly the versions of PHP and MySQL that were current when Fedora Core 4 shipped. The newest version of Moodle, 1.6, requires a newer version of PHP. I'd guess that MySQL/PHP unlikely to be upgraded beyond the current version given in impending legacy status of FC4 (in a little over a week). FC5 (and thus K12LTSP v5) has up-to-date versions of MySQL and PHP: [dyoung at ltsp ~]$ yum list mysql-server php ...snip.... Installed Packages mysql-server.i386 5.0.22-1.FC5.1 installed php.i386 5.1.4-1 installed These fulfill the requirements for Moodle v1.6. Moodle 1.5.3 is in extras; if you're waiting for 1.6, you could ask on the Fedora-extras mailing list if you're using the Fedora package. When I maintained a Moodle server there wasn't yet a package in Extras, but it was easy to install/upgrade by hand. Just follow the docs: http://docs.moodle.org/en/Upgrading -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From robert.pogson at gmail.com Mon Jul 10 20:51:17 2006 From: robert.pogson at gmail.com (pogson) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:51:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: How Low can you go? In-Reply-To: <20060710160019.D765973509@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060710160019.D765973509@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1152564677.27447.65.camel@beast> Does anybody have experience with using it with just a few computers that could share? Thanks, Jason Because the typical desktop user is clicking and viewing, and occasionally loading something, the load on AMD64 3000 is about 3% average per user, that is about 90 MHz per user. Allowing a margin for 64 bitness, you should be OK with as little as 100 MHz per user. Because you have so few clients, you probably need a factor more, because the load will be variable. That is, it is quite probable that all three are active at once. 1 gHz should be useful for three. Where you cannot be short is RAM. You must not swap so you want 256 to 512 MB for the OS and services and 50 MB per client so you could likely get away with 512 MB for three clients and you need a few hundred MB for file caching. I have had thirty clients on 1.5 gB. My advice would be to splurge on a new server, one of the barebones minimalist things. I have seen AMD64 3200, 512 MB, gigabit, case, PSU, no hard drive or OS for as low as $400 on speicals.e.g. http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=18419 at CDN$329. One of those would make a great server and you could use a bunch of P3s as thin clients. Steal their hard drives and a CD drive for the server. You do not need viedo card, keyboard, monitor or mouse on the server after installation, so you can borrow those and administer the beast from one of the clients. The advantages of this route is more snap on the desktop and expandability. If you do expand, get a switch with at least one gigabit/s port for the server, e.g. ASUS GIGAX1024P Smart 24-PORT 10/100MBPS + 2-PORT 1000MBPS Managed RACK-MOUNT Switch These are cheap but effective. Another low cost approach would be to use the thin clients as a cluster server with clients on top. An example is OpenMosix + LTSP, which would share spare cycles from one machine to another by shifting processes. At 100 mb/s that would not be snappy. You might help by adding gigabit networking, but I am not sure that the result would be worthwhile. Many desktop apps and servers share memory among processes and these do not migrate. OpenMosix with MigSHM does that, but migration is overhead. I am not convinced the extra configuration work would justify the performance with slow nodes. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll let you know if I find others, but I need to be able to get to that point :-) Once I get this installed then I have to tackle the messaging bus issue that is pestering Matt and I. Once that is squashed then the new version of smbldap-installer will be ready. Matt has added some really nice PDC-BDC features with replication stuff...etc. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jul 11 01:37:07 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:37:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Broken repository or URL that affects smbldap-installer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is probably a yum bug that reported a while back (I'll go check up on it when I get a chance). If it is the same bug, you can work-around it by adding in "--disablerepo=core", such as: yum --disablerepo=core install perl-LDAP -Eric On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, David Trask wrote: > Hey Eric! Hope your summer is going well. I have discovered an issue > that is affecting the development of the new version of smbldap-installer. > I'm trying to install perl-LDAP via yum as part of the script using a > machine installed from K12LTSP 5 (beta12). There is an incorrect URL for > perl-LDAP (and maybe others, but I can't get any further yet) The current > URL reads > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/Fedora/RPMS/perl-LDAP-0.33-1.2.noarch.rpm > BUT it should be > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/perl-LDAP-0.33-1.2.noarch.rpm > (note the addition of i386 right before Fedora) Can you fix this? Not > sure how widespread it is or where it needs to be fixed. Thanks! I'll > let you know if I find others, but I need to be able to get to that point > :-) Once I get this installed then I have to tackle the messaging bus > issue that is pestering Matt and I. Once that is squashed then the new > version of smbldap-installer will be ready. Matt has added some really > nice PDC-BDC features with replication stuff...etc. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > From lists at paulandmichelle.net Tue Jul 11 02:21:44 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:21:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMB/LDAP management with Webmin Users and Groupsmodule (Peter Hartmann) In-Reply-To: <20060709224101.GF22648@majen.net> Message-ID: <20060711022147.7617249039F@ephesus.modevia.com> I made the mistake of trying to setup smb/ldap myself... of course I failed. But I did run into the dbus stuff. Here is the fedora bug for that and the solution I used was comment #14: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=186527#c14 Anyways, I just tried the smblda-installer you have listed here and I get to the point where it tries to connect to the ldap server during the "populate" step. Here is the line in the log: Running smbldap-populate...erreur LDAP: Can't contact master ldap server (IO::Socket::INET: connect: Connection refused) at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/smbldap_tools.pm line 282. Thoughts? Paul -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Matt Oquist Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 5:41 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMB/LDAP management with Webmin Users and Groupsmodule (Peter Hartmann) Yes, awesome indeed. I'm very close to a drastic update to the smbldap-installer. * FC5 support is still suffering from the "System Messaging Bus" delay (timeout of some sort) at startup, which seems to be related to the LDAP client configuration. Anybody who runs http://www.majen.net/smbldap/archive/smbldap-installer-2.1.tgz and then debugs the problem can let me know and save me some time figuring this out. :) * Automated configuration of fully-replicating PDC/BDC is almost done! * The Ubuntu client config won't ask any questions any more. (Wish I'd figured this out months ago; it's not hard.) Anyhow, I'd love to help automate a Webmin configuration for Samba/LDAP and I'll be referring back to these notes when I get to that (which may be a while). I'm going to do my darndest to get the next release out before the UNH NELS, which starts a week from tonight. --matt > Wow! Thanks Jim this is awesome! I just created a test user via batch > file. It's funny though if I try and add a user to the ldap database > that's already a user on the system it returns : "Duplicate username > at line 1 : [user]" Question: Why should the ldap database care > what's in /etc/passwd? This machine is going to be a stand-alone > ldap server so it's not set to authenticate the the ldap database. > Umm..I don't have to set it for ldap auth do I? > > Thanks, > Peter > > On 8/8/05, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > You can add/modify/delete users and groups from the LDAP Users and > > groups module. Below I will show my settings for the module as > > configured for version 2.0-alpha of the smb/ldap installer scripts. The > > add users via batch section is all that needs work now. It appears to > > leave out the Samba account options when run. I emailed Jamie Cameron > > to see if he can let me know how to make this work. Anyhow with the > > settings below I am able to login via Linux, via a OSX LDAP enabled > > machine, and join a Windows Machine to the domain and login. I will > > list only fields where I have made changes from the default. This is > > also with the newest stable version of webmin. Disk quotas will also be > > able to be managed via the Webmin Disk Quota module, provided that under > > the Disk and Network Filesystems you have enable User or Group quotas, > > and subsequently enabled Disk Quotas under the Disk Quotas module. > > > > Also in discussion with Jamie Cameron I was informed that the variables > > ${USER} and ${UID} can be used to substitute username and user id > > respectively anywhere in the webmin module configuration. > > > > Here goes: > > > > Linux LDAP NSS library config file: /etc/ldap.conf > > Bind to LDAP server as: cn=manager,dc=yourdomain,dc=org > > Credentials for bind name above: On first access click Set to and enter > > your smb/ldap password as set during script installation, after first > > entry leave set to Don't change > > Base for users: ou=Users,dc=yourdomain,dc=org > > Base for groups: ou=Groups,dc=yourdomain,dc=org > > Other objectClasses to add to new users: top inetOrgPerson > > Full path to slappasswd program: /usr/sbin/slappasswd > > LDAP properties for all new users: sn: ${USER} > > Lowest UID for new users: 1000 > > Default primary group for new users: Domain Users > > Default secondary groups for new users: Domain Users > > Default shell for new users: /bin/bash > > LDAP object class for Samba users: sambaSamAccount > > Enabled Samba account by default?: Yes > > Domain SID for Samba3: S-1-5-21-699950680-3956470712-3012135405 (Please > > use your own sambaSID here :-) > > LDAP properties for new Samba users: > > sambaLogonScript: startup.bat > > sambaProfilePath: \\YOURDOMAIN-PDC\profiles\${USER} > > sambaHomePath: \\YOURDOMAIN-PDC\homes\${USER} > > sambaHomeDrive: X: > > LDAP object class for Samba groups: sambaGroupMapping > > > > Well I hope that helps others out to get webmin working. For now this > > will at least work with using the command line bulk-add scripts to add > > the largest population, then webmin for smaller changes. I will post > > out if I get a fix from Jamie. Or if anyone else tries this let me know > > if you can get the batch import to work. > > > > Also I found that to get default OSX settings out you can create a > > Library folder in /etc/skel and copy the files you want to default into > > that folder. Say you create a custom dock you can take Macintosh > > HD:Users:test user:Library:Preferences:com.apple.dock.plist and move it > > to /etc/skel/Library/Preferences/com.apple.dock.plist on the linux > > server and all new users will receive the custom dock. > > > > Also since OSX and Linux use the same desktop folder and same /home by > > default I will try to create scripts make the windows desktop point to > > /home/user/desktop and to point My Documents to /home/user. This should > > make profile roaming seamless between Ops. I think I can for the most > > part use the scripts posted in the last couple weeks. > > > > > > Jim Kronebusch > > Cotter Tech Department > > 507-453-5188 > > jim at winonacotter.org -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ From carl at snarlnet.com Tue Jul 11 02:37:34 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:37:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Server specs....how low can you go? Message-ID: <44B30EEE.4050201@snarlnet.com> Hi, I wanted to take a second to reply to this, since it's one of the few things related to k12ltsp that I'm at all qualified in. Right now I'm rockin' 3 thin clients on my home network. It's 100BaseT cabling. 3 assorted clients. An Amer T500, an old Gateway E-1000 and an Oracle NIC. Anyway, the server is a Dell 400SC that I got new on ebay for about $350. I've got 2 Sata drives in it one for /home and one for everything else and I upped the RAM from 512 to a Gig. I think the CPU is 2.23 GHz. or thereabouts. Upping the RAM made a huge difference in performance. I personally think that the SATA drives are probably unnecessary at this level too. I'm probably going to get a gig uplink Switch when I add another client or two. I find performance for the very apps you mention to be excellent. Many people use the terminals without knowing or caring that they are thin. No complaints, or even comments. Like this, only at 2.23 I can't hyperthread the processor. I'm not sure that would make much difference anyway. http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-New-Dell-PowerEdge-400SC_W0QQitemZ110005762254QQihZ001QQcategoryZ51140QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem HTH ck From: "Jason Neiffer" Subject: [K12OSN] Server specs....how low can you go? To: K12OSN at redhat.com Message-ID: <993ff5300607100822q6a0bba0doce1ec219d11a8335 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am working with a small business who is looking for 2-3 workstations to surf the Internet on a broadband connection they have going into their shop. They were going to go purchase a coulpe of low-end Dells but I suggested they look into LTSP. I am fairly sure I can come up with cheap thin clients but I want to get as inexpensive of a server as possible. How low can I go on the specs? I was looking at http://k12ltsp.org/install.html and it suggested that I could get away with something as low as a PIII/1gig or faster. Would that be a workable solution in this environment? How about if I wanted to use K12LTSP 5 when it was released? Does anybody have experience with using it with just a few computers that could share? Thanks, Jason From carl at snarlnet.com Tue Jul 11 03:22:02 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:22:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Minimum specs for a BackupPC server Message-ID: <44B3195A.2070207@snarlnet.com> Hi folks, I tried emailing the backuppc-users list but my email keeps bouncing, so I thought I'd try here. Almost every night I get an email from my backuppc server telling me that the backup process was aborted due to signal=PIPE. I've tried upping the timeout to no avail. Some nights the backup works, often it works when I do it manually, but not always. Anyway, my server is very wimpy. I'm running a Celeron 466, 256 of RAM and the backup drive is 78% full. Which of any of that would you think could be causing the problem? Or do you think this isn't the issue. "top" shows my CPU pegged at 99% for a lot of the backup. My backups are usually taking about 650+ minutes when they manage to finish. Thanks a lot, list. ck From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Tue Jul 11 03:41:21 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:41:21 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] k12 4.4.1 yum errors and missing deps Message-ID: <1152589281.3535.59.camel@server.ltsp> Hi Group, I have had errors trying to run a yum update since I first installed k12 4.4.1 a couple of months ago. I tried chipping away at the missing dependencies by hand, but usually found I could not pull them in for one reason or another. I did read on a Fedora list that bits of yum are broken, but I had hoped they would be fixed by now. I have a stock k12 4.4.1 install with all default repos enabled, and I went berserk doing a 'kitchen sink' install from the beginning. I have tried a yum update numerous times but it always fails with the same type of missing dependencies as per the terminal output below: ------------yum update output---------- Error: Missing Dependency: libdbus-1.so.1 is needed by package liferea Error: Missing Dependency: libdbus-glib-1.so.1 is needed by package liferea Error: Missing Dependency: libneon.so.24 is needed by package apt Error: Missing Dependency: libvte.so.4 is needed by package gtkterm Error: Missing Dependency: libMagick.so.6 is needed by package transcode Error: Missing Dependency: libMagick.so.6 is needed by package pstoedit Error: Missing Dependency: ImageMagick = 6.2.2.0-3.fc4.2 is needed by package ImageMagick-c++ Error: Missing Dependency: libWand.so.6 is needed by package ImageMagick-c++ Error: Missing Dependency: libMagick.so.6 is needed by package ImageMagick-c++ Error: Unable to satisfy dependencies Error: Package liferea needs libdbus-glib-1.so.1, this is not available. Error: Package ImageMagick-c++ needs libMagick.so.6, this is not available. Error: Package xine needs libcrypto.so.5, this is not available. Error: Package perl-Net-SSLeay needs libssl.so.5, this is not available. Error: Package ImageMagick-c++ needs ImageMagick = 6.2.2.0-3.fc4.2, this is not available. Error: Package kudzu needs kernel < 2.6.13, this is not available. Error: Package apt needs libssl.so.5, this is not available. Error: Package pstoedit needs libMagick.so.6, this is not available. Error: Package scribus needs libcrypto.so.5, this is not available. Error: Package transcode needs libMagick.so.6, this is not available. Error: Package apt needs libcrypto.so.5, this is not available. Error: Package liferea needs libdbus-1.so.1, this is not available. Error: Package apt needs libneon.so.24, this is not available. Error: Package gtkterm needs libvte.so.4, this is not available. Error: Package perl-Net-SSLeay needs libcrypto.so.5, this is not available. Error: Package ImageMagick-c++ needs libWand.so.6, this is not available. Error: Package scribus needs libssl.so.5, this is not available. Error: Package xine needs libssl.so.5, this is not available. ---------------------------- Of course, the update fails because of this. I've tried pulling in some of those 'lib' files, but either they can't be found or they fail to change the update situation. Any suggestions? Thanks. Gavin From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Tue Jul 11 03:55:58 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:55:58 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Server specs....how low can you go? In-Reply-To: <44B30EEE.4050201@snarlnet.com> References: <44B30EEE.4050201@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <1152590158.3535.73.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 19:37 -0700, Carl Keil wrote: > Hi, > > I wanted to take a second to reply to this, since it's one of the few things related to k12ltsp that I'm at all qualified in. Right now I'm rockin' 3 thin clients on my home network. It's 100BaseT cabling. 3 assorted clients. An Amer T500, an old Gateway E-1000 and an Oracle NIC. > > Anyway, the server is a Dell 400SC that I got new on ebay for about $350. I've got 2 Sata drives in it one for /home and one for everything else and I upped the RAM from 512 to a Gig. I think the CPU is 2.23 GHz. or thereabouts. Upping the RAM made a huge difference in performance. I personally think that the SATA drives are probably unnecessary at this level too. I'm probably going to get a gig uplink Switch when I add another client or two. > > I find performance for the very apps you mention to be excellent. Many people use the terminals without knowing or caring that they are thin. No complaints, or even comments. Hopefully, this is not a 'me too' type of post ;-) For a couple of years (until very recently) I ran a home network of two clients off a single Xeon 450MHz with 2Gb RAM and U160 SCSI drives. The server doubled duty as my workstation while running the clients. I used Xfce to lighten the load on the server, because window loading and switching took way too long using kde. Sure, some apps were slow to load, but it was very usable for most operations, kids games and internet. By comparison, I now run a replacement machine with _dual_ Xeon 2.66GHz (with hyperthreading) with 2Gb RAM and U320 SCSI with RAID controller. I must say that I was surprised to see that some errors/crashes that I saw with that old beast can sometimes still occur with the new beast. Window loading and app start times are much faster and there are certain graphics (GPU) & CPU-intensive operations that are possible now that weren't before with the old beast. However, I am disappointed that the upgraded hardware was not the 'quantum leap' in speed and usability that I had expected and hoped. In a nutshell, if you are prepared to a have lower performance, a cast-off PII will do as server for a small network, especially if mostly web browsing, etc. Just pay attention to your server's RAM :-). HTH Gavin From moquist at majen.net Tue Jul 11 04:50:40 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 00:50:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Hurrah for Dave Trask! FC5 Samba/LDAP bug identified! Message-ID: <20060711045039.GA28051@majen.net> I'm not sure yet whether I'll have the smbldap-installer do this bugfix automatically, or just warn the user and point her to documentation of how to fix it. --matt ----- Forwarded message from David Trask ----- From: David Trask Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 00:41:16 -0400 To: Matt Oquist Subject: The fix! It works.... Ok....my research turned up this.... I added the following line to /etc/ldap nss_initgroups_ignoreusers root,ldap,named,avahi,haldaemon that solves the slow slapd startup. It's a known bug in FC5 and supposedly there is a line in the default ldap.conf file, but I can't find it....nonetheless...it works. *restarting in order to test the messagebus timeout* Eureka! It works! Adding that one line fixed the whole problem! Starts up nice and fast now. I just checked the logs and all appears ok. I also just checked the status of the services....all are running fine. I think I got it....so to recap what I did.... I did NOT change the order of service startup....I left all as it was. I added the line "nss_initgroups_ignoreusers root,ldap,named,avahi,haldaemon" to /etc/ldap That's it! I had to cull a lot of information from several sites to deduce just exactly what should work....thank God for my ability to read French (4 years of it in HS....and a Quebec border state)....I ran into a lot of French sites and also comments on the IDEALX site. Tomorrow I will try it out on my server at school and also try the yum --disablerepo=core install perl-LDAP to address the yum bug that Eric confirmed. Two packages were affected for me (perl-LDAP and it's dependencies and openldap-server) I'll let you know, but for now I think we have it licked. :-) ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From carl at snarlnet.com Tue Jul 11 05:02:08 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:02:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Server specs....how low can you go? Message-ID: <44B330D0.8050401@snarlnet.com> Woah, rereading my post made me realize something. I have the SATA drives in the 400SC that I use for a windows (booooo) workstation. So I'm just using regular ATA100 drives in the K12LTSP server. Sorry for the bad info. (I got my 400SC's mixed up) I wrote: >Anyway, the server is a Dell 400SC that I got new on ebay for about $350. I've got 2 Sata drives in >it one for /home and one for everything else and I upped the RAM from 512 to a Gig. I think the CPU >is 2.23 GHz. or thereabouts. Upping the RAM made a huge difference in performance. I personally >think that the SATA drives are probably unnecessary at this level too. I'm probably going to get a >gig uplink Switch when I add another client or two. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jul 11 05:24:52 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:24:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Broken repository or URL that affects smbldap-installer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > > This is probably a yum bug that reported a while back (I'll go check up > on it when I get a chance). If it is the same bug, you can work-around it > by adding in "--disablerepo=core", such as: > > yum --disablerepo=core install perl-LDAP > > -Eric If this is the same bug, here is the bugzilla entry... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=188926 -Eric > On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, David Trask wrote: > >> Hey Eric! Hope your summer is going well. I have discovered an issue >> that is affecting the development of the new version of smbldap-installer. >> I'm trying to install perl-LDAP via yum as part of the script using a >> machine installed from K12LTSP 5 (beta12). There is an incorrect URL for >> perl-LDAP (and maybe others, but I can't get any further yet) The current >> URL reads >> http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/Fedora/RPMS/perl-LDAP-0.33-1.2.noarch.rpm >> BUT it should be >> http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/perl-LDAP-0.33-1.2.noarch.rpm >> (note the addition of i386 right before Fedora) Can you fix this? Not >> sure how widespread it is or where it needs to be fixed. Thanks! I'll >> let you know if I find others, but I need to be able to get to that point >> :-) Once I get this installed then I have to tackle the messaging bus >> issue that is pestering Matt and I. Once that is squashed then the new >> version of smbldap-installer will be ready. Matt has added some really >> nice PDC-BDC features with replication stuff...etc. >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Director >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >> (207)923-3100 >> From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Jul 11 06:53:45 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 02:53:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Broken repository or URL that affects smbldap-installer In-Reply-To: References: < > Message-ID: Thanks for confirming this. I added the --disablerepo=core to the distro_data.pm file in the smbldap-installer and it appears to work fine now. Feels like a hack, but at least it's just an installer. I visited the bug page....doesn't appear to be much movement on it....got any clout with the RH guys or Fedora guys who can fix this? It's an annoying bug... The good news....with that and another thing I found and changed in /etc/ldap.conf....it looks like smbldap-installer for FC5 could be good to go. I have it working on my laptop....and everything tests out fine....squashed the messagebus issue....thank goodness I can read French :-) . I've pushed my changes/findings up to Matt and hopefully he'll roll out the new version later this week. I know he plans to have it out before NELS at UNH which begins Sunday. There'll be very little documentation to rewrite, but if there is anything to be added I will do it as soon as we release. The documentation is a wiki so it's easy to add to. I can do it at NELS. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 at 1:24 AM +0000 wrote: >On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> >> This is probably a yum bug that reported a while back (I'll go check up >> on it when I get a chance). If it is the same bug, you can work-around >it >> by adding in "--disablerepo=core", such as: >> >> yum --disablerepo=core install perl-LDAP >> >> -Eric > >If this is the same bug, here is the bugzilla entry... > >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=188926 > >-Eric > >> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, David Trask wrote: >> >>> Hey Eric! Hope your summer is going well. I have discovered an issue >>> that is affecting the development of the new version of >smbldap-installer. >>> I'm trying to install perl-LDAP via yum as part of the script using a >>> machine installed from K12LTSP 5 (beta12). There is an incorrect URL >for >>> perl-LDAP (and maybe others, but I can't get any further yet) The >current >>> URL reads >>> >http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/Fedora/RPMS/perl-LDAP-0.33-1.2.noarch.rpm >>> BUT it should be >>> >http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/perl-LDAP-0.33-1.2.noarch.rpm >>> (note the addition of i386 right before Fedora) Can you fix this? Not >>> sure how widespread it is or where it needs to be fixed. Thanks! I'll >>> let you know if I find others, but I need to be able to get to that >point >>> :-) Once I get this installed then I have to tackle the messaging bus >>> issue that is pestering Matt and I. Once that is squashed then the new >>> version of smbldap-installer will be ready. Matt has added some really >>> nice PDC-BDC features with replication stuff...etc. >>> >>> David N. Trask >>> Technology Teacher/Director >>> Vassalboro Community School >>> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >>> (207)923-3100 >>> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Jul 11 07:27:03 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 03:27:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Hurrah for Dave Trask! FC5 Samba/LDAP bug identified! In-Reply-To: <20060711045039.GA28051@majen.net> References: <20060711045039.GA28051@majen.net> Message-ID: Matt...and all, My honest opinion? Have the installer do it. In trolling the net for the fix, there has been almost no movement on this bug except to post the "work-around". Initially I was only going to do "root" and "ldap", but after checking my logs over and over (I kept finding errors related to "avahi" and "haldaemon") An earlier post on this list led me to another site that confirmed my suspicions. You'll notice that in the logs (after the fix) that essentially what is happening is that it allows things to proceed without stopping or hanging up. There are pauses in the logs, but they are in the background and there are only a couple short ones (seconds) as opposed to the pages and pages that happened prior. A little more research just now confirms that the fix I mentioned is in Rawhide as of 7/10/06 (today...ummm....yesterday) " Current rawhide has "nss_initgroups_ignoreusers root,ldap,named,avahi,haldaemon" on by default, so there's no more hangup of named/avahi/dbus/hal " This tells me that the fix for now will indeed be what we have or will add to ldap.conf. So...I see no reason not to go ahead and maybe put in a note about the line and commenting it out if there are future issues. As for the "disablerepo=core" thing to fix the yum bug....since this is a one time install issue, I see no reason not to also include this in the k12ltsp-5 section of the distro-data.pm file. This bug hasn't had any movement at all....last post was in April. And....since the install only happens once....it's not something that will affect the future of that installation. If it changes or is fixed we can simply post a new distro_data.pm file. That's my opinion. This has been fun...I love sleuthing for bugs....and more than that I love VMWare which makes it much easier to do so...brought me back to my roots when I was doing samba/ldap by hand (remember those days?), but now I need to go to bed....it's 3:30 a.m. My wife is going to kill me ;-) DT "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 at 12:50 AM +0000 wrote: >I'm not sure yet whether I'll have the smbldap-installer do this >bugfix automatically, or just warn the user and point her to >documentation of how to fix it. > >--matt > >----- Forwarded message from David Trask ----- > >From: David Trask >Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 00:41:16 -0400 >To: Matt Oquist >Subject: The fix! It works.... > >Ok....my research turned up this.... > >I added the following line to /etc/ldap > >nss_initgroups_ignoreusers root,ldap,named,avahi,haldaemon > >that solves the slow slapd startup. It's a known bug in FC5 and >supposedly there is a line in the default ldap.conf file, but I can't find >it....nonetheless...it works. > > *restarting in order to test the messagebus timeout* > >Eureka! It works! Adding that one line fixed the whole problem! Starts >up nice and fast now. I just checked the logs and all appears ok. I also >just checked the status of the services....all are running fine. I think >I got it....so to recap what I did.... > >I did NOT change the order of service startup....I left all as it was. > >I added the line "nss_initgroups_ignoreusers >root,ldap,named,avahi,haldaemon" to /etc/ldap > >That's it! I had to cull a lot of information from several sites to >deduce just exactly what should work....thank God for my ability to read >French (4 years of it in HS....and a Quebec border state)....I ran into a >lot of French sites and also comments on the IDEALX site. > >Tomorrow I will try it out on my server at school and also try the yum >--disablerepo=core install perl-LDAP to address the yum bug that Eric >confirmed. Two packages were affected for me (perl-LDAP and it's >dependencies and openldap-server) I'll let you know, but for now I think >we have it licked. :-) > >----- End forwarded message ----- >-- >Open Source Software Engineering Consultant >http://majen.net/ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Jul 11 11:44:57 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] SMB/LDAP management with Webmin Users and Groups module In-Reply-To: <20060710125931.M45456@winonacotter.org> References: <000101c59c2f$206df440$0178060a@winonacotter.org> <9bd317560607051502h1a03e047vee439c624f821a@mail.gmail.com> <20060706141151.M90436@winonacotter.org> <9bd317560607081155i77183650p2d568fac7426e410@mail.gmail.com> <20060710125931.M45456@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <57211.169.244.70.146.1152618297.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> webmin is still perl isnt it? Maybe we can add the extra fields..it is still perl isnt it?chuck > On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 14:55:30 -0400, Peter Hartmann wrote >> >I really wished it worked with the bulk >> > import scripts but it didn't create the samba users, >> >> Shoot, I didn't notice that. :( As a quick fix I guess I could sync >> the unix and samba users and then just delete the unix accts. Did >> you ever get IMC working? I'm also running FC4 and am having the >> same glob errors with imc startup. > > Yeah, that was a big hang up for me, only part missing to make it a > complete > solution for managing the samba/ldap. However you can simply use Matt and > Dave's bulk import scripts at the command line to get the server > populated, > then use Webmin for management after that. > > Never got IMC working. I had enough things to try, so I gave up on it > pretty > quickly. Support for IMC didn't seem to be very good. I am still > subscribed > to the IMC mailing list and get about 1 or 2 posts a month from it, not > very > helpful. I tried about a half dozen management tools, none worked as a > complete management solution, I always had to combine at least 2 tools to > get > things done. I do think that if the bulk import in Webmin worked to > create > the Samba users that would be the best tool so far. I think if you did > set it > up to sync samba users on import you would have another problem, first, > all of > those local unix accounts for no reason, not really a problem but messy. > Second, I think a problem with the creation of the samba accounts is the > bulk > import didn't know enough to grab the defaults for account creation as > specified in the LDAP module. So you could create all of the users, but > they > wouldn't have the proper /home directory path and such. > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lists at paulandmichelle.net Tue Jul 11 12:47:21 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:47:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMB/LDAP management with Webmin Users andGroupsmodule (Peter Hartmann) In-Reply-To: <20060711022147.7617249039F@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <20060711124722.646844907A7@ephesus.modevia.com> OK, I figured out why Samba didn't start... the /var/lib/ldap/ directory wasn't owned by or writeable by the LDAP user. I changed that and the setup script runs fine until I want to restart... during the boot process samba doesn't want to start. I'm going to try and debug this and figure out why... Paul -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Paul Lemke Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 9:22 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Re: SMB/LDAP management with Webmin Users andGroupsmodule (Peter Hartmann) I made the mistake of trying to setup smb/ldap myself... of course I failed. But I did run into the dbus stuff. Here is the fedora bug for that and the solution I used was comment #14: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=186527#c14 Anyways, I just tried the smblda-installer you have listed here and I get to the point where it tries to connect to the ldap server during the "populate" step. Here is the line in the log: Running smbldap-populate...erreur LDAP: Can't contact master ldap server (IO::Socket::INET: connect: Connection refused) at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/smbldap_tools.pm line 282. Thoughts? Paul -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Matt Oquist Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 5:41 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMB/LDAP management with Webmin Users and Groupsmodule (Peter Hartmann) Yes, awesome indeed. I'm very close to a drastic update to the smbldap-installer. * FC5 support is still suffering from the "System Messaging Bus" delay (timeout of some sort) at startup, which seems to be related to the LDAP client configuration. Anybody who runs http://www.majen.net/smbldap/archive/smbldap-installer-2.1.tgz and then debugs the problem can let me know and save me some time figuring this out. :) * Automated configuration of fully-replicating PDC/BDC is almost done! * The Ubuntu client config won't ask any questions any more. (Wish I'd figured this out months ago; it's not hard.) Anyhow, I'd love to help automate a Webmin configuration for Samba/LDAP and I'll be referring back to these notes when I get to that (which may be a while). I'm going to do my darndest to get the next release out before the UNH NELS, which starts a week from tonight. --matt > Wow! Thanks Jim this is awesome! I just created a test user via batch > file. It's funny though if I try and add a user to the ldap database > that's already a user on the system it returns : "Duplicate username > at line 1 : [user]" Question: Why should the ldap database care > what's in /etc/passwd? This machine is going to be a stand-alone > ldap server so it's not set to authenticate the the ldap database. > Umm..I don't have to set it for ldap auth do I? > > Thanks, > Peter > > On 8/8/05, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > You can add/modify/delete users and groups from the LDAP Users and > > groups module. Below I will show my settings for the module as > > configured for version 2.0-alpha of the smb/ldap installer scripts. The > > add users via batch section is all that needs work now. It appears to > > leave out the Samba account options when run. I emailed Jamie Cameron > > to see if he can let me know how to make this work. Anyhow with the > > settings below I am able to login via Linux, via a OSX LDAP enabled > > machine, and join a Windows Machine to the domain and login. I will > > list only fields where I have made changes from the default. This is > > also with the newest stable version of webmin. Disk quotas will also be > > able to be managed via the Webmin Disk Quota module, provided that under > > the Disk and Network Filesystems you have enable User or Group quotas, > > and subsequently enabled Disk Quotas under the Disk Quotas module. > > > > Also in discussion with Jamie Cameron I was informed that the variables > > ${USER} and ${UID} can be used to substitute username and user id > > respectively anywhere in the webmin module configuration. > > > > Here goes: > > > > Linux LDAP NSS library config file: /etc/ldap.conf > > Bind to LDAP server as: cn=manager,dc=yourdomain,dc=org > > Credentials for bind name above: On first access click Set to and enter > > your smb/ldap password as set during script installation, after first > > entry leave set to Don't change > > Base for users: ou=Users,dc=yourdomain,dc=org > > Base for groups: ou=Groups,dc=yourdomain,dc=org > > Other objectClasses to add to new users: top inetOrgPerson > > Full path to slappasswd program: /usr/sbin/slappasswd > > LDAP properties for all new users: sn: ${USER} > > Lowest UID for new users: 1000 > > Default primary group for new users: Domain Users > > Default secondary groups for new users: Domain Users > > Default shell for new users: /bin/bash > > LDAP object class for Samba users: sambaSamAccount > > Enabled Samba account by default?: Yes > > Domain SID for Samba3: S-1-5-21-699950680-3956470712-3012135405 (Please > > use your own sambaSID here :-) > > LDAP properties for new Samba users: > > sambaLogonScript: startup.bat > > sambaProfilePath: \\YOURDOMAIN-PDC\profiles\${USER} > > sambaHomePath: \\YOURDOMAIN-PDC\homes\${USER} > > sambaHomeDrive: X: > > LDAP object class for Samba groups: sambaGroupMapping > > > > Well I hope that helps others out to get webmin working. For now this > > will at least work with using the command line bulk-add scripts to add > > the largest population, then webmin for smaller changes. I will post > > out if I get a fix from Jamie. Or if anyone else tries this let me know > > if you can get the batch import to work. > > > > Also I found that to get default OSX settings out you can create a > > Library folder in /etc/skel and copy the files you want to default into > > that folder. Say you create a custom dock you can take Macintosh > > HD:Users:test user:Library:Preferences:com.apple.dock.plist and move it > > to /etc/skel/Library/Preferences/com.apple.dock.plist on the linux > > server and all new users will receive the custom dock. > > > > Also since OSX and Linux use the same desktop folder and same /home by > > default I will try to create scripts make the windows desktop point to > > /home/user/desktop and to point My Documents to /home/user. This should > > make profile roaming seamless between Ops. I think I can for the most > > part use the scripts posted in the last couple weeks. > > > > > > Jim Kronebusch > > Cotter Tech Department > > 507-453-5188 > > jim at winonacotter.org -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From timothy.hart at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 12:56:32 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:56:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP V(?) for updated MOODLE apps In-Reply-To: <44B2B83A.90805@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44B2B83A.90805@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <464c38cc0607110556l286e1088j5a0c6058ce1d4671@mail.gmail.com> Would you really want to run Moodle on your LTSP box anyways? Depending on how you are setup I guess. I have always just put it on a separate box that people could get to from outside the network. Tim On 7/10/06, Dan Young wrote: > > Alan Hodson wrote: > > We expect a robust demand for Moodle in the servers running K12LTSP. My > > question is, what is the process for requesting/suggesting upgrades to > > 'yum' for the latest Moodle, php and MySQL, so that say v.4.4.2 (or > > newer) run the latest apps needed? As far as I can tell my 'yum updates' > > are a couple of versions behind in these apps. > > v4.4.2 will have roughly the versions of PHP and MySQL that were current > when Fedora Core 4 shipped. The newest version of Moodle, 1.6, requires > a newer version of PHP. I'd guess that MySQL/PHP unlikely to be upgraded > beyond the current version given in impending legacy status of FC4 (in a > little over a week). > > FC5 (and thus K12LTSP v5) has up-to-date versions of MySQL and PHP: > [dyoung at ltsp ~]$ yum list mysql-server php > ...snip.... > Installed Packages > mysql-server.i386 5.0.22-1.FC5.1 installed > php.i386 5.1.4-1 installed > > These fulfill the requirements for Moodle v1.6. > > Moodle 1.5.3 is in extras; if you're waiting for 1.6, you could ask on > the Fedora-extras mailing list if you're using the Fedora package. When > I maintained a Moodle server there wasn't yet a package in Extras, but > it was easy to install/upgrade by hand. Just follow the docs: > http://docs.moodle.org/en/Upgrading > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george_geller at speakeasy.net Tue Jul 11 13:02:49 2006 From: george_geller at speakeasy.net (George Geller) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 06:02:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Anybody based in San Diego? In-Reply-To: <20060711045103.1F5657300E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060711045103.1F5657300E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1152622969.7582.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Is there anybody in San Diego that is looking for some help with K12LTSP in particular or with Linux in general? I'm very experienced in Linux and computer programming and am looking for a volunteer opportunity with a school or community group. Thanks, George From lists at paulandmichelle.net Tue Jul 11 13:27:36 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:27:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMB/LDAP management with Webmin UsersandGroupsmodule (Peter Hartmann) In-Reply-To: <20060711124722.646844907A7@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <20060711132736.A2415490106@ephesus.modevia.com> I just tried starting it from the command line and it all seems good... maybe it was the boot up process only that was screwing things up. I'll test it some more when I get home. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Paul Lemke Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 7:47 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Re: SMB/LDAP management with Webmin UsersandGroupsmodule (Peter Hartmann) OK, I figured out why Samba didn't start... the /var/lib/ldap/ directory wasn't owned by or writeable by the LDAP user. I changed that and the setup script runs fine until I want to restart... during the boot process samba doesn't want to start. I'm going to try and debug this and figure out why... Paul -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Paul Lemke Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 9:22 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Re: SMB/LDAP management with Webmin Users andGroupsmodule (Peter Hartmann) I made the mistake of trying to setup smb/ldap myself... of course I failed. But I did run into the dbus stuff. Here is the fedora bug for that and the solution I used was comment #14: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=186527#c14 Anyways, I just tried the smblda-installer you have listed here and I get to the point where it tries to connect to the ldap server during the "populate" step. Here is the line in the log: Running smbldap-populate...erreur LDAP: Can't contact master ldap server (IO::Socket::INET: connect: Connection refused) at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/smbldap_tools.pm line 282. Thoughts? Paul -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Matt Oquist Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 5:41 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SMB/LDAP management with Webmin Users and Groupsmodule (Peter Hartmann) Yes, awesome indeed. I'm very close to a drastic update to the smbldap-installer. * FC5 support is still suffering from the "System Messaging Bus" delay (timeout of some sort) at startup, which seems to be related to the LDAP client configuration. Anybody who runs http://www.majen.net/smbldap/archive/smbldap-installer-2.1.tgz and then debugs the problem can let me know and save me some time figuring this out. :) * Automated configuration of fully-replicating PDC/BDC is almost done! * The Ubuntu client config won't ask any questions any more. (Wish I'd figured this out months ago; it's not hard.) Anyhow, I'd love to help automate a Webmin configuration for Samba/LDAP and I'll be referring back to these notes when I get to that (which may be a while). I'm going to do my darndest to get the next release out before the UNH NELS, which starts a week from tonight. --matt > Wow! Thanks Jim this is awesome! I just created a test user via batch > file. It's funny though if I try and add a user to the ldap database > that's already a user on the system it returns : "Duplicate username > at line 1 : [user]" Question: Why should the ldap database care > what's in /etc/passwd? This machine is going to be a stand-alone > ldap server so it's not set to authenticate the the ldap database. > Umm..I don't have to set it for ldap auth do I? > > Thanks, > Peter > > On 8/8/05, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > You can add/modify/delete users and groups from the LDAP Users and > > groups module. Below I will show my settings for the module as > > configured for version 2.0-alpha of the smb/ldap installer scripts. The > > add users via batch section is all that needs work now. It appears to > > leave out the Samba account options when run. I emailed Jamie Cameron > > to see if he can let me know how to make this work. Anyhow with the > > settings below I am able to login via Linux, via a OSX LDAP enabled > > machine, and join a Windows Machine to the domain and login. I will > > list only fields where I have made changes from the default. This is > > also with the newest stable version of webmin. Disk quotas will also be > > able to be managed via the Webmin Disk Quota module, provided that under > > the Disk and Network Filesystems you have enable User or Group quotas, > > and subsequently enabled Disk Quotas under the Disk Quotas module. > > > > Also in discussion with Jamie Cameron I was informed that the variables > > ${USER} and ${UID} can be used to substitute username and user id > > respectively anywhere in the webmin module configuration. > > > > Here goes: > > > > Linux LDAP NSS library config file: /etc/ldap.conf > > Bind to LDAP server as: cn=manager,dc=yourdomain,dc=org > > Credentials for bind name above: On first access click Set to and enter > > your smb/ldap password as set during script installation, after first > > entry leave set to Don't change > > Base for users: ou=Users,dc=yourdomain,dc=org > > Base for groups: ou=Groups,dc=yourdomain,dc=org > > Other objectClasses to add to new users: top inetOrgPerson > > Full path to slappasswd program: /usr/sbin/slappasswd > > LDAP properties for all new users: sn: ${USER} > > Lowest UID for new users: 1000 > > Default primary group for new users: Domain Users > > Default secondary groups for new users: Domain Users > > Default shell for new users: /bin/bash > > LDAP object class for Samba users: sambaSamAccount > > Enabled Samba account by default?: Yes > > Domain SID for Samba3: S-1-5-21-699950680-3956470712-3012135405 (Please > > use your own sambaSID here :-) > > LDAP properties for new Samba users: > > sambaLogonScript: startup.bat > > sambaProfilePath: \\YOURDOMAIN-PDC\profiles\${USER} > > sambaHomePath: \\YOURDOMAIN-PDC\homes\${USER} > > sambaHomeDrive: X: > > LDAP object class for Samba groups: sambaGroupMapping > > > > Well I hope that helps others out to get webmin working. For now this > > will at least work with using the command line bulk-add scripts to add > > the largest population, then webmin for smaller changes. I will post > > out if I get a fix from Jamie. Or if anyone else tries this let me know > > if you can get the batch import to work. > > > > Also I found that to get default OSX settings out you can create a > > Library folder in /etc/skel and copy the files you want to default into > > that folder. Say you create a custom dock you can take Macintosh > > HD:Users:test user:Library:Preferences:com.apple.dock.plist and move it > > to /etc/skel/Library/Preferences/com.apple.dock.plist on the linux > > server and all new users will receive the custom dock. > > > > Also since OSX and Linux use the same desktop folder and same /home by > > default I will try to create scripts make the windows desktop point to > > /home/user/desktop and to point My Documents to /home/user. This should > > make profile roaming seamless between Ops. I think I can for the most > > part use the scripts posted in the last couple weeks. > > > > > > Jim Kronebusch > > Cotter Tech Department > > 507-453-5188 > > jim at winonacotter.org -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From timothy.hart at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 14:16:19 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:16:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS?NIS Message-ID: <464c38cc0607110716i13850768geb046ecb24ec4bf9@mail.gmail.com> How are people updating users on the LTSP boxes using an NFS server? What is the fastest/easiest/safest way? Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Jul 11 15:41:21 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:41:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS?NIS In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0607110716i13850768geb046ecb24ec4bf9@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0607110716i13850768geb046ecb24ec4bf9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tue Jul 11 2006 at 10:16 +0000 wrote: >How are people updating users on the LTSP boxes using an NFS server? What >is the fastest/easiest/safest way? > >Tim >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Not sure what you mean....can you elaborate? What're you trying to do? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Tue Jul 11 15:40:59 2006 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (larry) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:40:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-useradd command through firewall In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0607110716i13850768geb046ecb24ec4bf9@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0607110716i13850768geb046ecb24ec4bf9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1152632460.13256.14.camel@localhost> I've installed a Primary Domain Controler (PDC-K12LTSP4.2.1) at one of my K-8 schools using David Trask's How-to at: http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ (Great how-to!!!). Everything worked great ---- but now I want to admin my PDC from my office (remote location). I ssh -l root into my firewall at the school -- then ssh -l root into the PDC. Commands that work are: net groupmap list getent group pdbedit -Lv username & others Commands that don't work are: smbldap-useradd username (error msg: "command not found") smbldap-groupadd groupname (error msg: "command not found") I'm unsure why some commands work and others don't. Larry From timothy.hart at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 15:41:08 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:41:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS?NIS In-Reply-To: References: <464c38cc0607110716i13850768geb046ecb24ec4bf9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <464c38cc0607110841s70b0084cv574d2e85af0a45a8@mail.gmail.com> I have 3 K12LTSP servers, one NFS server. I know I can copy over the passwd, groups, and shadow files out of etc (right?) from the NFS server to the Terminal servers. I just wanted to know if there is a better way than doing it manually. Basically what is the best procedure for adding users. Tim On 7/11/06, David Trask wrote: > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tue Jul 11 2006 at 10:16 +0000 wrote: > >How are people updating users on the LTSP boxes using an NFS server? What > >is the fastest/easiest/safest way? > > > >Tim > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > Not sure what you mean....can you elaborate? What're you trying to do? > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Then update the LDAP server and all other servers update for users. Does that help? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jul 11 16:22:44 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:22:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-useradd command through firewall In-Reply-To: <1152632460.13256.14.camel@localhost> References: <464c38cc0607110716i13850768geb046ecb24ec4bf9@mail.gmail.com> <1152632460.13256.14.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <44B3D054.7010009@paasda.org> have you attempted to use the absolute path of the command? i.e. /usr/sbin/smbldap-groupadd groupname my first inclination would be to check that...likely it's not in your path --Huck larry wrote: > I've installed a Primary Domain Controler (PDC-K12LTSP4.2.1) at one of > my K-8 schools using David Trask's How-to at: > http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ (Great how-to!!!). > Everything worked great ---- but now I want to admin my PDC from my > office (remote location). > > I ssh -l root into my firewall at the school -- then ssh -l root into > the PDC. > > Commands that work are: > net groupmap list > getent group > pdbedit -Lv username > & others > > Commands that don't work are: > smbldap-useradd username (error msg: "command not found") > smbldap-groupadd groupname (error msg: "command not found") > > I'm unsure why some commands work and others don't. > > Larry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Jul 11 16:40:22 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:40:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS?NIS In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0607110841s70b0084cv574d2e85af0a45a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0607110716i13850768geb046ecb24ec4bf9@mail.gmail.com> < > <464c38cc0607110841s70b0084cv574d2e85af0a45a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh! Definitely! Use Samba/LDAP! Here's what I do....I have several servers....one of them is a Samba/LDAP server That's all it does is handle authentication and store users, home directories, and Windows profiles. It is the central point of authentication for numerous servers and services that I have. The beauty of it is that I can set up or upgrade a K12LTSP server at any time without affecting the users at all since the users all live on the Samba/LDAP server. All you do is use authconfig to point the K12LTSP server to authenticate and mount the home directories which are exported via NFS. Under your current set up or idea....you have to really be aware of what you do with the users and their data when you do anything to a K12LTSP box....under Samba/LDAP the users all live on another server....you really only need to worry about that one...and with planning the backup of users and data is really quite easy. Backing up an LDAP database is a snap....restoring one is also a snap. In fact, smbldap-installer sets up the ldap backup for you! The end result? Regardless of where your students are....a Windows machine....a Linux terminal connected to server1.....connected to server 2.....no problem....they see the same home directory regardless. It's very cool and very easy. What used to take me quite a while to set up (even after having done it a gazillion times) has now been made simple, quick, and idiot-proof thanks to Matt Oquist taking my how-to and scripting everything into the smbldap-installer. Setting up a Samba/LDAP server is about a 3 minute job aside from loading the OS. There are several user creation scripts included that help make unique usernames....passwords....bulk import....etc. all very easy. The new version should be ready for NELS next week and Matt is doing a session on it....you may want to check it out. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tue Jul 11 2006 at 11:41 +0000 wrote: >I have 3 K12LTSP servers, one NFS server. I know I can copy over the >passwd, groups, and shadow files out of etc (right?) from the NFS server >to the Terminal servers. I just wanted to know if there is a better way >than doing it manually. Basically what is the best procedure for adding >users. > >Tim > >On 7/11/06, David Trask <[ mailto:dtrask at vcsvikings.org >]dtrask at vcsvikings.org> wrote: > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." <[ >mailto:k12osn at redhat.com ]k12osn at redhat.com> on >Tue Jul 11 2006 at 10:16 +0000 wrote: >>How are people updating users on the LTSP boxes using an NFS server? >What >>is the fastest/easiest/safest way? >> >>Tim >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>[ mailto:K12OSN at redhat.com ]K12OSN at redhat.com >>[ https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn ] >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see <[ http://www.k12os.org ]http://www.k12os.org> > >Not sure what you mean....can you elaborate? What're you trying to do? > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Director >Vassalboro Community School >[ mailto:dtrask at vcsvikings.org ]dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >[ mailto:K12OSN at redhat.com ]K12OSN at redhat.com >[ https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >]https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see <[ http://www.k12os.org ] http://www.k12os.org> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From timothy.hart at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 16:41:44 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:41:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS?NIS In-Reply-To: References: <464c38cc0607110716i13850768geb046ecb24ec4bf9@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0607110841s70b0084cv574d2e85af0a45a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <464c38cc0607110941y9f43fdaxcd6cf31830a38824@mail.gmail.com> Thanks guys. On 7/11/06, David Trask wrote: > > Oh! Definitely! Use Samba/LDAP! Here's what I do....I have several > servers....one of them is a Samba/LDAP server That's all it does is > handle authentication and store users, home directories, and Windows > profiles. It is the central point of authentication for numerous servers > and services that I have. The beauty of it is that I can set up or > upgrade a K12LTSP server at any time without affecting the users at all > since the users all live on the Samba/LDAP server. All you do is use > authconfig to point the K12LTSP server to authenticate and mount the home > directories which are exported via NFS. Under your current set up or > idea....you have to really be aware of what you do with the users and > their data when you do anything to a K12LTSP box....under Samba/LDAP the > users all live on another server....you really only need to worry about > that one...and with planning the backup of users and data is really quite > easy. Backing up an LDAP database is a snap....restoring one is also a > snap. In fact, smbldap-installer sets up the ldap backup for you! The > end result? Regardless of where your students are....a Windows > machine....a Linux terminal connected to server1.....connected to server > 2.....no problem....they see the same home directory regardless. It's > very cool and very easy. What used to take me quite a while to set up > (even after having done it a gazillion times) has now been made simple, > quick, and idiot-proof thanks to Matt Oquist taking my how-to and > scripting everything into the smbldap-installer. Setting up a Samba/LDAP > server is about a 3 minute job aside from loading the OS. There are > several user creation scripts included that help make unique > usernames....passwords....bulk import....etc. all very easy. The new > version should be ready for NELS next week and Matt is doing a session on > it....you may want to check it out. > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tue Jul 11 2006 at 11:41 +0000 wrote: > >I have 3 K12LTSP servers, one NFS server. I know I can copy over the > >passwd, groups, and shadow files out of etc (right?) from the NFS server > >to the Terminal servers. I just wanted to know if there is a better way > >than doing it manually. Basically what is the best procedure for adding > >users. > > > >Tim > > > >On 7/11/06, David Trask <[ mailto:dtrask at vcsvikings.org > >]dtrask at vcsvikings.org> wrote: > > > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." <[ > >mailto:k12osn at redhat.com ]k12osn at redhat.com> on > >Tue Jul 11 2006 at 10:16 +0000 wrote: > >>How are people updating users on the LTSP boxes using an NFS server? > >What > >>is the fastest/easiest/safest way? > >> > >>Tim > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>[ mailto:K12OSN at redhat.com ]K12OSN at redhat.com > >>[ https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn ] > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see <[ http://www.k12os.org ]http://www.k12os.org> > > > >Not sure what you mean....can you elaborate? What're you trying to do? > > > > > >David N. Trask > >Technology Teacher/Director > >Vassalboro Community School > >[ mailto:dtrask at vcsvikings.org ]dtrask at vcsvikings.org > >(207)923-3100 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >[ mailto:K12OSN at redhat.com ]K12OSN at redhat.com > >[ https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >]https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see <[ http://www.k12os.org ] http://www.k12os.org> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. 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URL: From moquist at majen.net Tue Jul 11 18:30:25 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:30:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] re: smbldap-useradd command through firewall (larry) In-Reply-To: <20060711160019.685B873616@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060711160019.685B873616@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060711183025.GA25296@majen.net> > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:40:59 -0400 > From: larry > Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-useradd command through firewall > > I've installed a Primary Domain Controler (PDC-K12LTSP4.2.1) at one of > my K-8 schools using David Trask's How-to at: > http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ (Great how-to!!!). > Everything worked great ---- but now I want to admin my PDC from my > office (remote location). > > I ssh -l root into my firewall at the school -- then ssh -l root into > the PDC. > > Commands that work are: > net groupmap list > getent group > pdbedit -Lv username > & others > > Commands that don't work are: > smbldap-useradd username (error msg: "command not found") > smbldap-groupadd groupname (error msg: "command not found") > > I'm unsure why some commands work and others don't. Are you sure smbldap-useradd and smbldap-groupadd are in your $PATH? This will show you what your $PATH is: $ echo $PATH Look through the list of directories and see if the location of smbldap-useradd is there; I expect it not to be. The Fedora smbldap-tools packages typically put the smbldap-* scripts in...less than convenient places such as /opt/IDEALX/sbin/. I don't know why anyone thinks this is a good idea. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jul 11 20:20:07 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:20:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS?NIS In-Reply-To: References: <464c38cc0607110716i13850768geb046ecb24ec4bf9@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0607110841s70b0084cv574d2e85af0a45a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B407F7.2090603@paasda.org> Is there a howto on K12LTSP load balancing utilizing this type of a setup? where you can have diff LTSP servers say throughout diff buildings on a campus that all pull and auth from a central SMBLDAP server? --Huck Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > I like the sound of a central LDAP server. That would make upgrading > K12LTSP a lot easier. Also makes the option of parallel loadbalancing > K12LTSP servers practical. > What sort of machine would you recommend as SMBLDAP server with /home > mounted on it. > HD would be important of course. What about RAM and CPU? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 21:06:45 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:06:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ldap client setup In-Reply-To: <54693.70.33.151.214.1152489719.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> <54693.70.33.151.214.1152489719.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560607111406w30747542u207a0b9e0fed240c@mail.gmail.com> Sure, I'd like you see your system-auth file. Thanks! Peter On 7/9/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > Peter: have you set up syslog yo record ldap log messages? > something like in syslog.conf > local4.debug /var/log/ldap > > you then can tail -f /var/log/ldap and see if the bind is failing or what/.. > > prob you will have to check /etc/pam.d/dydtem-auth tp see if authconfig is > setting stuff up right..i cn maik you mine if it will help..from > school..cjick > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Jul 11 21:07:16 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:07:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ldap client setup In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560607091356p7c83f01dj98fe4d4090a3cb3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560607111407k23645eb0hb96a2562c7bffaff@mail.gmail.com> Hey David, I'm using smbldap-installer 2.1 on K12ltsp .4.1. Although I'm sorry to report that it was an upgrade from fc2 and not fresh install. What can say the heat got to me. :) I suspect this might be causing some problems. Unfortunately I can't get rid of the local users until tommorow after class. But I will say this, that for users that are exclusive to the ldap database the login seems to be different. It goes Login, Password, then LDAP Password . but no joy. Thanks Peter On 7/10/06, David Trask wrote: > Sorry for the short answer....it was late. The issue is probably > nsswitch.conf. There's no problem that I can se other than the > authentication is looking for local users first....it always does....so > you can use a few predetermined users (local) on the server....if for some > reason LDAP didn't work....you'd be locked out until you went into single > user mode and fixed some things. You'll notice that /etc/nsswitch.conf > shows "files ldap" in that order......this basically means it checks > local first then ldap (as it should). Now.....which version of the > smbldap-installer are you using? What did you install onto > FC4...FC5...K12LTSP 4.4 or 5? The latest version, as Matt indicated in > his post, has an issue with a "dbus" timeout that appears to be directly > related to nsswitch in FC5 (K12LTSP 5). I'd limit the number of local > users on the server to just a few to keep from confusing things. Let me > know what versions you're using and we'll take it from there. > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > writes: > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on > >Sun Jul 9 2006 at 16:56 +0000 wrote: > >>I did move the k12 users to the ldap server because I was > >>thinking of using the padl.com migrate_passwd.pl because I thought it > >>actually uses the current passwords (now I don't think it does). But > >>I think this might be causing me some problems because > >>/etc/sysconfig/system-auth checks the login against /etc/passwd first. > >> Right now my client setup definetely checks the local /etc/passwd > >>first. If It doesn't find an entry and does find a ldap user I get > >>asked for Login, Password, Ldap Password but I still can't get in. Can > >>you shed any light on this? > > > > > >There shouldn't be any users on the K12LTSP box....yes....it will check > >local users/passwords first....so don't have any users on the k12ltsp box > > > > > >David N. Trask > >Technology Teacher/Director > >Vassalboro Community School > >dtrask at vcsvikings.org > >(207)923-3100 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jul 11 22:03:00 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:03:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 beta #12 In-Reply-To: References: <44AD8CB4.7030103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060709101606.da984410.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: <44B42014.7070207@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 9 Jul 2006, Jesse McDonnell wrote: > >> On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 15:20:36 -0700 >> Eric Harrison wrote: >> >>> K12LTSP 5.0.0 beta #12 has been uploaded. This includes another huge set >>> of updates. >> >>> I believe all of the show-stopping bugs have been squashed. I considered >>> naming this "release-candidate #1", but not all off the changes have >>> been tested. I'll shoot for having a RC1 release on Saturday. >>> >>> >>> The repositories have been updated, if you have an earlier beta >>> installed you can simply run "yum update". >> >> Ran yum update and the k12ltsp-initialize script. Update (from beta 7 >> or 8) was almost flawless, thanks for all the good work! The only >> problem I've >> seen is I can no longer access the shell with CTRL-ALT-F2. >> >> If I put screen01 = shell and screen02 = startx, the terminal won't >> stop at >> the shell but will fire up the login GUI. Only way I can get to the >> shell is by commenting out screen02 = startx, and once I run startx I >> can no longer get back to the shell. Seems to be a keyboard mapping or >> an X-server >> issue....??? >> >> My terminal is an Optoma ST320/Jammin 125. >> >> Anyone else seeing this? > > I can confirm this. I wiped out /opt/ltsp/i386, ran the LTSP installer, > and had the same problem - there are reasonable odds that it is not a > K12LTSP-specific bug. Jim, do you see the same thing? > > Will dig into it deeper tomorrow... > > -Eric > This is definitely a K12LTSP-specific bug. My fix for the keyboard-map terminal crash (the only remaining K12LTSP-specific patch to LTSP) breaks the keyboard mappings in other ways (at least Ctl-Alt-F?). I'll start banging on a fix... -Eric From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Jul 12 00:07:07 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ldap client setup In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607111407k23645eb0hb96a2562c7bffaff@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560607091356p7c83f01dj98fe4d4090a3cb3f@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560607111407k23645eb0hb96a2562c7bffaff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <54873.70.33.151.214.1152662827.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Peter:tomorrow ill try to send you my redhat system-auth..sounds like something is not kosher there..chuck From nathan at grandvache.com Wed Jul 12 01:04:26 2006 From: nathan at grandvache.com (Nathan Shaffer) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:04:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] linux roving profiles needed?? Message-ID: At our school, I've convinced the teachers and staff that since we've been running a ltsp lab with 30 workstations for 3 years (started with 3.1.1), it's time to migrate Linux up to the main classrooms and get rid of Win2k running on desktops. As financial conditions permit, we may acquire more server power to turn the classrooms into LTSP, however; for now we'll be setting up RH linux on PIII-800 workstations and authenticate to a main LDAP server (LTSP server). Is there something we need to set up for the Gnome desktop profiles that differ between the LTSP labs and the classroom workstations such as roving profiles? (software should be the same since all are being upgraded to use LTSP 4.4.1 whether server or desktop). Thanks - Nathan Shaffer St John the Apostle School Oregon City, Oregon nshaffer at sja.pvt.k12.or.us From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jul 12 04:11:06 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:11:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS?NIS In-Reply-To: <44B407F7.2090603@paasda.org> References: <464c38cc0607110716i13850768geb046ecb24ec4bf9@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0607110841s70b0084cv574d2e85af0a45a8@mail.gmail.com> <44B407F7.2090603@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20060712040541.M48102@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:20:07 -0700, Huck wrote > Is there a howto on K12LTSP load balancing utilizing this type of a > setup? where you can have diff LTSP servers say throughout diff > buildings on a campus that all pull and auth from a central SMBLDAP server? I am not exactly sure what you are looking for here, do you want automatic load balancing, a drop down to choose your server, or different subnets with dedicated LTSP servers that simply auth and nfs mount to a main LDAP server (auth and NFS mount to a main LDAP server for all three cases). The answer from me is yes, but I don't know where. I have seen users post with info on how to load balance with round robin DNS, and I have seen users post with info on adding a drop down menu to choose your server. As far as the third option the solution is most likely obvious. As far as a howto on authenticating multiple servers to a central LDAP and NFS, I am sure David will provide that in a heartbeat :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jul 12 04:16:22 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:16:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS?NIS In-Reply-To: References: <464c38cc0607110716i13850768geb046ecb24ec4bf9@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0607110841s70b0084cv574d2e85af0a45a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060712041121.M50806@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:05:56 +1200, Krsnendu Dasa wrote > I like the sound of a central LDAP server. That would make upgrading > K12LTSP a lot easier. Also makes the option of parallel > loadbalancing K12LTSP servers practical. What sort of machine would > you recommend as SMBLDAP server with /home mounted on it. HD would > be important of course. What about RAM and CPU? I suppose like most things, it would depend on how many users simultaneously, and the amount of data written to the drives. As far as LDAP goes, I can't imagine that is very intensive at all. I would have to imagine a 500mhz box with 512mb RAM would server a few hundred users. But since in most scenarios for setting this up you are probably looking to manage a handful of servers, you are probably looking at quite a few users and a lot of drive traffic. So I would recommend a striped SCSI raid array for the /home share and at least a 1ghz processor. I am sure someone (David) might have some good info on real life load to give you and then you could possibly scale up or down accordingly. Probably a good rule of thumb, don't make the drive array any less than you would use in any single LTSP server. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 05:35:16 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:35:16 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS?NIS In-Reply-To: <20060712041121.M50806@winonacotter.org> References: <464c38cc0607110716i13850768geb046ecb24ec4bf9@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0607110841s70b0084cv574d2e85af0a45a8@mail.gmail.com> <20060712041121.M50806@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: How do I set up /home mounted with nfs on another server? I am looking at a maximum of 25-30 clients. It is unlikely they would online simultaneously. About 70 user accounts. Currently I have a AMD 2500XP machine with 2 GB Ram and 120GB Sata HD running as the K12LTSP (v4.2.1) server. The main thing holding me back from updating the server is dealing with the user authentication and /home. With this system it would be much easier to update even if I still keep only one LTSP server. I have another identical box (Actually has a bit less memory at present.) I was thinking to use this as Backuppc server, Koha server, Asterisk etc.. I have a low powered box that I thought would manage the authentication and /home. It is only a PII450 128MB RAM. How would that manage if I put a sata card in it? On 12/07/06, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:05:56 +1200, Krsnendu Dasa wrote > > I like the sound of a central LDAP server. That would make upgrading > > K12LTSP a lot easier. Also makes the option of parallel > > loadbalancing K12LTSP servers practical. What sort of machine would > > you recommend as SMBLDAP server with /home mounted on it. HD would > > be important of course. What about RAM and CPU? > > I suppose like most things, it would depend on how many users > simultaneously, > and the amount of data written to the drives. As far as LDAP goes, I > can't > imagine that is very intensive at all. I would have to imagine a 500mhz > box > with 512mb RAM would server a few hundred users. But since in most > scenarios > for setting this up you are probably looking to manage a handful of > servers, > you are probably looking at quite a few users and a lot of drive > traffic. So > I would recommend a striped SCSI raid array for the /home share and at > least a > 1ghz processor. > > I am sure someone (David) might have some good info on real life load to > give > you and then you could possibly scale up or down accordingly. > > Probably a good rule of thumb, don't make the drive array any less than > you > would use in any single LTSP server. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed Jul 12 11:19:20 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:19:20 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] k12 4.4.1 yum errors and missing deps In-Reply-To: <1152589281.3535.59.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1152589281.3535.59.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1152703160.3535.158.camel@server.ltsp> Anybody got any pointers, please? On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 11:41 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > Hi Group, > > I have had errors trying to run a yum update since I first installed k12 > 4.4.1 a couple of months ago. I tried chipping away at the missing > dependencies by hand, but usually found I could not pull them in for one > reason or another. I did read on a Fedora list that bits of yum are > broken, but I had hoped they would be fixed by now. > > I have a stock k12 4.4.1 install with all default repos enabled, and I > went berserk doing a 'kitchen sink' install from the beginning. I have > tried a yum update numerous times but it always fails with the same type > of missing dependencies as per the terminal output below: > > ------------yum update output---------- > Error: Missing Dependency: libdbus-1.so.1 is needed by package liferea > Error: Missing Dependency: libdbus-glib-1.so.1 is needed by package > liferea > Error: Missing Dependency: libneon.so.24 is needed by package apt > Error: Missing Dependency: libvte.so.4 is needed by package gtkterm > Error: Missing Dependency: libMagick.so.6 is needed by package transcode > Error: Missing Dependency: libMagick.so.6 is needed by package pstoedit > Error: Missing Dependency: ImageMagick = 6.2.2.0-3.fc4.2 is needed by > package ImageMagick-c++ > Error: Missing Dependency: libWand.so.6 is needed by package > ImageMagick-c++ > Error: Missing Dependency: libMagick.so.6 is needed by package > ImageMagick-c++ > Error: Unable to satisfy dependencies > Error: Package liferea needs libdbus-glib-1.so.1, this is not available. > Error: Package ImageMagick-c++ needs libMagick.so.6, this is not > available. > Error: Package xine needs libcrypto.so.5, this is not available. > Error: Package perl-Net-SSLeay needs libssl.so.5, this is not available. > Error: Package ImageMagick-c++ needs ImageMagick = 6.2.2.0-3.fc4.2, this > is not available. > Error: Package kudzu needs kernel < 2.6.13, this is not available. > Error: Package apt needs libssl.so.5, this is not available. > Error: Package pstoedit needs libMagick.so.6, this is not available. > Error: Package scribus needs libcrypto.so.5, this is not available. > Error: Package transcode needs libMagick.so.6, this is not available. > Error: Package apt needs libcrypto.so.5, this is not available. > Error: Package liferea needs libdbus-1.so.1, this is not available. > Error: Package apt needs libneon.so.24, this is not available. > Error: Package gtkterm needs libvte.so.4, this is not available. > Error: Package perl-Net-SSLeay needs libcrypto.so.5, this is not > available. > Error: Package ImageMagick-c++ needs libWand.so.6, this is not > available. > Error: Package scribus needs libssl.so.5, this is not available. > Error: Package xine needs libssl.so.5, this is not available. > ---------------------------- > > Of course, the update fails because of this. I've tried pulling in some > of those 'lib' files, but either they can't be found or they fail to > change the update situation. Any suggestions? Thanks. > > Gavin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jul 12 13:41:52 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:41:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS?NIS In-Reply-To: References: <464c38cc0607110716i13850768geb046ecb24ec4bf9@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0607110841s70b0084cv574d2e85af0a45a8@mail.gmail.com> <20060712041121.M50806@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20060712130120.M85228@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:35:16 +1200, Krsnendu Dasa wrote > How do I set up /home mounted with nfs on another server? 1> I amlooking at a maximum of 25-30 clients. It is unlikely they > would online simultaneously. About 70 user accounts. > > Currently I have a AMD 2500XP machine with 2 GB Ram and 120GB Sata HD > running as the K12LTSP (v4.2.1) server. The main thing holding me > back from updating the server is dealing with the user > authentication and /home. With this system it would be much easier > to update even if I still keep only one LTSP server. I have another > identical box (Actually has a bit less memory at present.) I was > thinking to use this as Backuppc server, Koha server, Asterisk etc.. > I have a low powered box that I thought would manage the > authentication and /home. It is only a PII450 128MB RAM. How would > that manage if I put a sata card in it? As far as syncing your users to the new box, I'll leave that up to someone else. I do not know the best way to get users into LDAP and still retain correct permissions. For moving /home, first, build your new /home nfs server. If you build with a minimal install or just want to make sure that NFS is is up to date, perform a "yum install nfs-utils". Modify "/etc/exports" and add the following line: /home 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,sync) After that restart NFS (in Fedora "/etc/init.d/nfs restart" will do it). Then on your old box you need to create a temporary directory such as /newhome. Then modifiy your "/etc/fstab" to mount your NFS exported /home to the /newhome with the following line: 192.168.1.254:/home /newhome nfs suid,dev,exec 0 0 Then run "mount /newhome". Now you should be able to browse /newhome on your current server, which is really looking at /home on the new server....cool. Now you need to get all of the data from your current /home to your new /newhome. Use the following command to sync data between the two: rsync -av /home/ /newhome Be sure to use the trailing slash on /home/. After a few minutes/hours depending on how much data you have, your new server's /home will be synced with your existing....cool. Now you can issue "umount /newhome". You can now copy your current /home to a new directory or zip it into a tarbal (for backup). Then modify /etc/fstab again but change the line: 192.168.1.254:/home /newhome nfs suid,dev,exec 0 0 to: 192.168.1.254:/home /home nfs suid,dev,exec 0 0 Now you an run "mount -o remount /home". And your done! If I have any errors on the above, or if anyone would simply wish to correct/verify the above, please do so. Hope this helps. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Wed Jul 12 18:07:16 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James Kinney) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:07:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] k12 4.4.1 yum errors and missing deps In-Reply-To: <1152703160.3535.158.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1152589281.3535.59.camel@server.ltsp> <1152703160.3535.158.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1152727636.6159.13.camel@porter.localnetsolutions.com> On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 19:19 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > Anybody got any pointers, please? After a "kitchen sink" install, it is often good to start removing things with broken dependencies (especially if it is not used: the less installed, the less to maintain). For instance, the ImageMagik is needed for the c++ upgrade, so uninstall the existing c++ package with ImageMagik. The other way is to make liberal use of the --exclude in the commandline version of yum. This will dodge the broken dependencies. If you are using yumex, you can keep dropping packages to be upgraded from the queue and rerun the upgrade. Some of the " not available" lines look like a repo is marked as off. i.e. libcrypto _is_ available but it should be in base or updates. > > On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 11:41 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > > Hi Group, > > > > I have had errors trying to run a yum update since I first installed k12 > > 4.4.1 a couple of months ago. I tried chipping away at the missing > > dependencies by hand, but usually found I could not pull them in for one > > reason or another. I did read on a Fedora list that bits of yum are > > broken, but I had hoped they would be fixed by now. > > > > I have a stock k12 4.4.1 install with all default repos enabled, and I > > went berserk doing a 'kitchen sink' install from the beginning. I have > > tried a yum update numerous times but it always fails with the same type > > of missing dependencies as per the terminal output below: > > > > ------------yum update output---------- > > Error: Missing Dependency: libdbus-1.so.1 is needed by package liferea > > Error: Missing Dependency: libdbus-glib-1.so.1 is needed by package > > liferea > > Error: Missing Dependency: libneon.so.24 is needed by package apt > > Error: Missing Dependency: libvte.so.4 is needed by package gtkterm > > Error: Missing Dependency: libMagick.so.6 is needed by package transcode > > Error: Missing Dependency: libMagick.so.6 is needed by package pstoedit > > Error: Missing Dependency: ImageMagick = 6.2.2.0-3.fc4.2 is needed by > > package ImageMagick-c++ > > Error: Missing Dependency: libWand.so.6 is needed by package > > ImageMagick-c++ > > Error: Missing Dependency: libMagick.so.6 is needed by package > > ImageMagick-c++ > > Error: Unable to satisfy dependencies > > Error: Package liferea needs libdbus-glib-1.so.1, this is not available. > > Error: Package ImageMagick-c++ needs libMagick.so.6, this is not > > available. > > Error: Package xine needs libcrypto.so.5, this is not available. > > Error: Package perl-Net-SSLeay needs libssl.so.5, this is not available. > > Error: Package ImageMagick-c++ needs ImageMagick = 6.2.2.0-3.fc4.2, this > > is not available. > > Error: Package kudzu needs kernel < 2.6.13, this is not available. > > Error: Package apt needs libssl.so.5, this is not available. > > Error: Package pstoedit needs libMagick.so.6, this is not available. > > Error: Package scribus needs libcrypto.so.5, this is not available. > > Error: Package transcode needs libMagick.so.6, this is not available. > > Error: Package apt needs libcrypto.so.5, this is not available. > > Error: Package liferea needs libdbus-1.so.1, this is not available. > > Error: Package apt needs libneon.so.24, this is not available. > > Error: Package gtkterm needs libvte.so.4, this is not available. > > Error: Package perl-Net-SSLeay needs libcrypto.so.5, this is not > > available. > > Error: Package ImageMagick-c++ needs libWand.so.6, this is not > > available. > > Error: Package scribus needs libssl.so.5, this is not available. > > Error: Package xine needs libssl.so.5, this is not available. > > ---------------------------- > > > > Of course, the update fails because of this. I've tried pulling in some > > of those 'lib' files, but either they can't be found or they fail to > > change the update situation. Any suggestions? Thanks. > > > > Gavin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Wed Jul 12 15:15:24 2006 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (larry) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:15:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] re: smbldap-useradd command through firewall (larry) In-Reply-To: <20060711183025.GA25296@majen.net> References: <20060711160019.685B873616@hormel.redhat.com> <20060711183025.GA25296@majen.net> Message-ID: <1152717324.7628.5.camel@localhost> Matt - THANKS for sharing your knowledge!!! I worked a lot of hours on this and am very thankful for the help. Works like a champ when you know where to go. Larry On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 14:30 -0400, Matt Oquist wrote: > > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:40:59 -0400 > > From: larry > > Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-useradd command through firewall > > > > I've installed a Primary Domain Controler (PDC-K12LTSP4.2.1) at one of > > my K-8 schools using David Trask's How-to at: > > http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ (Great how-to!!!). > > Everything worked great ---- but now I want to admin my PDC from my > > office (remote location). > > > > I ssh -l root into my firewall at the school -- then ssh -l root into > > the PDC. > > > > Commands that work are: > > net groupmap list > > getent group > > pdbedit -Lv username > > & others > > > > Commands that don't work are: > > smbldap-useradd username (error msg: "command not found") > > smbldap-groupadd groupname (error msg: "command not found") > > > > I'm unsure why some commands work and others don't. > > Are you sure smbldap-useradd and smbldap-groupadd are in your $PATH? > > This will show you what your $PATH is: > $ echo $PATH > > Look through the list of directories and see if the location of > smbldap-useradd is there; I expect it not to be. The Fedora > smbldap-tools packages typically put the smbldap-* scripts in...less > than convenient places such as /opt/IDEALX/sbin/. I don't know why > anyone thinks this is a good idea. > > --matt > > -- > Open Source Software Engineering Consultant > http://majen.net/ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jul 12 15:55:39 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:55:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] re: smbldap-useradd command through firewall (larry) In-Reply-To: <1152717324.7628.5.camel@localhost> References: <20060711160019.685B873616@hormel.redhat.com> <20060711183025.GA25296@majen.net> <1152717324.7628.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <44B51B7B.1060504@paasda.org> for future reference..when looking for specific files there are multiple ways of course...my fav is 'updatedb' and then 'locate ' so 'locate smbldap-useradd' would have returned a list the path of files that match 'smbldap-useradd' --Huck larry wrote: > Matt - THANKS for sharing your knowledge!!! I worked a lot of hours on > this and am very thankful for the help. > > Works like a champ when you know where to go. > > Larry > > On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 14:30 -0400, Matt Oquist wrote: >>> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:40:59 -0400 >>> From: larry >>> Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-useradd command through firewall >>> >>> I've installed a Primary Domain Controler (PDC-K12LTSP4.2.1) at one of >>> my K-8 schools using David Trask's How-to at: >>> http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ (Great how-to!!!). >>> Everything worked great ---- but now I want to admin my PDC from my >>> office (remote location). >>> >>> I ssh -l root into my firewall at the school -- then ssh -l root into >>> the PDC. >>> >>> Commands that work are: >>> net groupmap list >>> getent group >>> pdbedit -Lv username >>> & others >>> >>> Commands that don't work are: >>> smbldap-useradd username (error msg: "command not found") >>> smbldap-groupadd groupname (error msg: "command not found") >>> >>> I'm unsure why some commands work and others don't. >> Are you sure smbldap-useradd and smbldap-groupadd are in your $PATH? >> >> This will show you what your $PATH is: >> $ echo $PATH >> >> Look through the list of directories and see if the location of >> smbldap-useradd is there; I expect it not to be. The Fedora >> smbldap-tools packages typically put the smbldap-* scripts in...less >> than convenient places such as /opt/IDEALX/sbin/. I don't know why >> anyone thinks this is a good idea. >> >> --matt >> >> -- >> Open Source Software Engineering Consultant >> http://majen.net/ >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From m3freak at rogers.com Wed Jul 12 17:54:13 2006 From: m3freak at rogers.com (Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:54:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server specs....how low can you go? In-Reply-To: <993ff5300607100822q6a0bba0doce1ec219d11a8335@mail.gmail.com> References: <993ff5300607100822q6a0bba0doce1ec219d11a8335@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1152726854.7973.22.camel@krs> On Mon, 2006-10-07 at 09:22 -0600, Jason Neiffer wrote: > How low can I go on the specs? I was looking at > http://k12ltsp.org/install.html and it suggested that I could get away > with something as low as a PIII/1gig or faster. Would that be a > workable solution in this environment? How about if I wanted to use > K12LTSP 5 when it was released? That should be okay, if all they're going to do is surf the net. Your bottleneck on an old system like that will probably be I/O. You're going to have to test it regardless, so I suggest you put it all together and hammer it. Adjust accordingly. Regards, Ranbir -- Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu Linux 2.6.17-1.2141_FC4 i686 GNU/Linux 13:49:00 up 14:29, 3 users, load average: 0.22, 0.16, 0.16 From m3freak at rogers.com Wed Jul 12 18:06:06 2006 From: m3freak at rogers.com (Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:06:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] linux roving profiles needed?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1152727566.7973.29.camel@krs> On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 18:04 -0700, Nathan Shaffer wrote: > Is there something we need to set up for the Gnome desktop profiles > that differ between the LTSP labs and the classroom workstations such > as roving profiles? (software should be the same since all are > being upgraded to use LTSP 4.4.1 whether server or desktop). I think you mean "roaming profiles". You could mount all of the desktops' /home file systems from the LTSP server. That way students could log into their accounts on the fat or thin clients, and get the same desktop profiles. If that causes too much of a load on the LTSP server, set up a separate NFS box. Mount /home from the NFS box on the LTSP server and fat clients. Effect will be the same as above, minus the increased I/O load on the LTSP server. HTH, Ranbir -- Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu Linux 2.6.17-1.2141_FC4 i686 GNU/Linux 14:00:21 up 14:40, 3 users, load average: 0.24, 0.24, 0.17 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jul 12 18:43:53 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:43:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS?NIS In-Reply-To: <20060712040541.M48102@winonacotter.org> References: <464c38cc0607110716i13850768geb046ecb24ec4bf9@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0607110841s70b0084cv574d2e85af0a45a8@mail.gmail.com> <44B407F7.2090603@paasda.org> <20060712040541.M48102@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <44B542E9.5010201@paasda.org> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:20:07 -0700, Huck wrote >> Is there a howto on K12LTSP load balancing utilizing this type of a >> setup? where you can have diff LTSP servers say throughout diff >> buildings on a campus that all pull and auth from a central SMBLDAP server? > > I am not exactly sure what you are looking for here, do you want automatic > load balancing, a drop down to choose your server, or different subnets with > dedicated LTSP servers that simply auth and nfs mount to a main LDAP server > (auth and NFS mount to a main LDAP server for all three cases). > > The answer from me is yes, but I don't know where. I have seen users post > with info on how to load balance with round robin DNS, and I have seen users > post with info on adding a drop down menu to choose your server. As far as > the third option the solution is most likely obvious. > > As far as a howto on authenticating multiple servers to a central LDAP and > NFS, I am sure David will provide that in a heartbeat :-) > I guess specifics are helpful eh? ;) Lets say, I have 60 thin clients around the school..in multiple buildings etc...and that my distances are so great from K12LTSP server that I lose the benefits of Gig-E backbone to the server, from my client switches...and I'm saturating a single server. What would I go about doing so that Building A. has it's own LTSP server, Building B. has it's own LTSP server AND a central authenticating server for clients(mac/thin/pc/etc). And how would each client know which LTSP server to connect to? I see how you could subnet building A from building B LTSP-wise..but then how to let both buildings authenticate from a central SMBLDAP machine? I don't see any reason for users to choose a specific server(they shouldn't have to go through that extra step)... And just to confuse a bit more...what if I wanted to implement stand-alone Linux boxes(with any flavour'd Distro out there the kids like)...and still have them authenticate to the central SMBLDAP machine, and have their "LTSP" profiles follow them around on those machines as well? --Huck From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 18:53:40 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:53:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ldap client setup In-Reply-To: <54693.70.33.151.214.1152489719.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> <54693.70.33.151.214.1152489719.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560607121153y22dfa857k1e2741bee94420fd@mail.gmail.com> Hey Chuck, Thanks for the system-auth....that's what I have as well. But I wanted to show you the output of tail -f /va/log/ldap when I try to log in is a an ldap user. Jul 12 14:43:49 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=96 op=11 SRCH base="ou=People,dc=ascensionschoolnyc,dc=org" scope=1 deref=0 filter="(&(objectClass=posixAccount)(uid=test7))" Jul 12 14:43:49 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=96 op=11 SRCH attr=uid userPassword uidNumber gidNumber cn homeDirectory loginShell gecos description objectClass Jul 12 14:43:49 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=96 op=11 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=32 nentries=0 text= Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=96 op=12 SRCH base="ou=People,dc=ascensionschoolnyc,dc=org" scope=1 deref=0 filter="(&(objectClass=posixAccount)(uid=test7))" Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=96 op=12 SRCH attr=uid userPassword uidNumber gidNumber cn homeDirectory loginShell gecos description objectClass Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=96 op=12 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=32 nentries=0 text= Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=170 fd=46 ACCEPT from IP=192.168.0.254:33037 (IP=0.0.0.0:389) Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=170 op=0 BIND dn="cn=Manager,dc=ascensionschoolnyc,dc=org" method=128 Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=170 op=0 BIND dn="cn=Manager,dc=ascensionschoolnyc,dc=org" mech=SIMPLE ssf=0 Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=170 op=0 RESULT tag=97 err=0 text= Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=170 op=1 SRCH base="ou=People,dc=ascensionschoolnyc,dc=org" scope=1 deref=0 filter="(uid=test7)" Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=170 op=1 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 err=32 nentries=0 text= Jul 12 14:43:58 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=170 op=2 UNBIND Jul 12 14:43:58 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=170 fd=46 closed any ideas? Thanks, Peter On 7/9/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > Peter: have you set up syslog yo record ldap log messages? > something like in syslog.conf > local4.debug /var/log/ldap > > you then can tail -f /var/log/ldap and see if the bind is failing or what/.. > > prob you will have to check /etc/pam.d/dydtem-auth tp see if authconfig is > setting stuff up right..i cn maik you mine if it will help..from > school..cjick > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 19:04:42 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:04:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ldap client setup In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560607091356p7c83f01dj98fe4d4090a3cb3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560607121204w1afa9b9ap29940462cbda5f30@mail.gmail.com> Hey David, I tried , smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 525 Students smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 526 Staff But net groupmap list doesn't show them. Also when I look at the user i created with smbldap-useradd -m -a [username], getent group shows the new entry as this: \E2\80\93a:x:10000: (the user i just created had gid 10000) Whats up with that doyou think? I just posted some messages from tail -f /var/log/ldap to the list too. Maybe that will help? Thanks! Peter On 7/10/06, David Trask wrote: > Sorry for the short answer....it was late. The issue is probably > nsswitch.conf. There's no problem that I can se other than the > authentication is looking for local users first....it always does....so > you can use a few predetermined users (local) on the server....if for some > reason LDAP didn't work....you'd be locked out until you went into single > user mode and fixed some things. You'll notice that /etc/nsswitch.conf > shows "files ldap" in that order......this basically means it checks > local first then ldap (as it should). Now.....which version of the > smbldap-installer are you using? What did you install onto > FC4...FC5...K12LTSP 4.4 or 5? The latest version, as Matt indicated in > his post, has an issue with a "dbus" timeout that appears to be directly > related to nsswitch in FC5 (K12LTSP 5). I'd limit the number of local > users on the server to just a few to keep from confusing things. Let me > know what versions you're using and we'll take it from there. > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > writes: > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on > >Sun Jul 9 2006 at 16:56 +0000 wrote: > >>I did move the k12 users to the ldap server because I was > >>thinking of using the padl.com migrate_passwd.pl because I thought it > >>actually uses the current passwords (now I don't think it does). But > >>I think this might be causing me some problems because > >>/etc/sysconfig/system-auth checks the login against /etc/passwd first. > >> Right now my client setup definetely checks the local /etc/passwd > >>first. If It doesn't find an entry and does find a ldap user I get > >>asked for Login, Password, Ldap Password but I still can't get in. Can > >>you shed any light on this? > > > > > >There shouldn't be any users on the K12LTSP box....yes....it will check > >local users/passwords first....so don't have any users on the k12ltsp box > > > > > >David N. Trask > >Technology Teacher/Director > >Vassalboro Community School > >dtrask at vcsvikings.org > >(207)923-3100 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Jul 12 19:13:59 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ldap client setup In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607121153y22dfa857k1e2741bee94420fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> <54693.70.33.151.214.1152489719.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <9bd317560607121153y22dfa857k1e2741bee94420fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39058.169.244.70.146.1152731639.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> that error 32 is a real good clue > Hey Chuck, > Thanks for the system-auth....that's what I have as well. But I > wanted to show you the output of tail -f /va/log/ldap when I try to > log in is a an ldap user. > > Jul 12 14:43:49 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=96 op=11 SRCH > base="ou=People,dc=ascensionschoolnyc,dc=org" scope=1 deref=0 > filter="(&(objectClass=posixAccount)(uid=test7))" > Jul 12 14:43:49 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=96 op=11 SRCH attr=uid > userPassword uidNumber gidNumber cn homeDirectory loginShell gecos > description objectClass > Jul 12 14:43:49 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=96 op=11 SEARCH RESULT > tag=101 err=32 nentries=0 text= > Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=96 op=12 SRCH > base="ou=People,dc=ascensionschoolnyc,dc=org" scope=1 deref=0 > filter="(&(objectClass=posixAccount)(uid=test7))" > Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=96 op=12 SRCH attr=uid > userPassword uidNumber gidNumber cn homeDirectory loginShell gecos > description objectClass > Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=96 op=12 SEARCH RESULT > tag=101 err=32 nentries=0 text= > Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=170 fd=46 ACCEPT from > IP=192.168.0.254:33037 (IP=0.0.0.0:389) > Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=170 op=0 BIND > dn="cn=Manager,dc=ascensionschoolnyc,dc=org" method=128 > Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=170 op=0 BIND > dn="cn=Manager,dc=ascensionschoolnyc,dc=org" mech=SIMPLE ssf=0 > Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=170 op=0 RESULT tag=97 err=0 > text= > Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=170 op=1 SRCH > base="ou=People,dc=ascensionschoolnyc,dc=org" scope=1 deref=0 > filter="(uid=test7)" > Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=170 op=1 SEARCH RESULT > tag=101 err=32 nentries=0 text= > Jul 12 14:43:58 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=170 op=2 UNBIND > Jul 12 14:43:58 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=170 fd=46 closed > > any ideas? > > > Thanks, > Peter > > > > On 7/9/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: >> Peter: have you set up syslog yo record ldap log messages? >> something like in syslog.conf >> local4.debug /var/log/ldap >> >> you then can tail -f /var/log/ldap and see if the bind is failing or >> what/.. >> >> prob you will have to check /etc/pam.d/dydtem-auth tp see if authconfig >> is >> setting stuff up right..i cn maik you mine if it will help..from >> school..cjick >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Jul 12 19:23:05 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ldap client setup In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607121153y22dfa857k1e2741bee94420fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> <54693.70.33.151.214.1152489719.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <9bd317560607121153y22dfa857k1e2741bee94420fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29562.169.244.70.146.1152732185.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> http://web500gw.sourceforge.net/errors.html > Hey Chuck, > Thanks for the system-auth....that's what I have as well. But I > wanted to show you the output of tail -f /va/log/ldap when I try to > log in is a an ldap user. > > Jul 12 14:43:49 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=96 op=11 SRCH > base="ou=People,dc=ascensionschoolnyc,dc=org" scope=1 deref=0 > filter="(&(objectClass=posixAccount)(uid=test7))" > Jul 12 14:43:49 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=96 op=11 SRCH attr=uid > userPassword uidNumber gidNumber cn homeDirectory loginShell gecos > description objectClass > Jul 12 14:43:49 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=96 op=11 SEARCH RESULT > tag=101 err=32 nentries=0 text= > Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=96 op=12 SRCH > base="ou=People,dc=ascensionschoolnyc,dc=org" scope=1 deref=0 > filter="(&(objectClass=posixAccount)(uid=test7))" > Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=96 op=12 SRCH attr=uid > userPassword uidNumber gidNumber cn homeDirectory loginShell gecos > description objectClass > Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=96 op=12 SEARCH RESULT > tag=101 err=32 nentries=0 text= > Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=170 fd=46 ACCEPT from > IP=192.168.0.254:33037 (IP=0.0.0.0:389) > Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=170 op=0 BIND > dn="cn=Manager,dc=ascensionschoolnyc,dc=org" method=128 > Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=170 op=0 BIND > dn="cn=Manager,dc=ascensionschoolnyc,dc=org" mech=SIMPLE ssf=0 > Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=170 op=0 RESULT tag=97 err=0 > text= > Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=170 op=1 SRCH > base="ou=People,dc=ascensionschoolnyc,dc=org" scope=1 deref=0 > filter="(uid=test7)" > Jul 12 14:43:54 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=170 op=1 SEARCH RESULT > tag=101 err=32 nentries=0 text= > Jul 12 14:43:58 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=170 op=2 UNBIND > Jul 12 14:43:58 ascldap slapd[2322]: conn=170 fd=46 closed > > any ideas? > > > Thanks, > Peter > > > > On 7/9/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: >> Peter: have you set up syslog yo record ldap log messages? >> something like in syslog.conf >> local4.debug /var/log/ldap >> >> you then can tail -f /var/log/ldap and see if the bind is failing or >> what/.. >> >> prob you will have to check /etc/pam.d/dydtem-auth tp see if authconfig >> is >> setting stuff up right..i cn maik you mine if it will help..from >> school..cjick >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Jul 12 19:26:01 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ldap client setup In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607121204w1afa9b9ap29940462cbda5f30@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560607091356p7c83f01dj98fe4d4090a3cb3f@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560607121204w1afa9b9ap29940462cbda5f30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17461.169.244.70.146.1152732361.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> all i ever do up to now is write an ldif..or generate one with a script..and add groups that way..using ldapadd..do slapcat>/soemfile and send it if you want...ill instal it on a machine here if you like.. > Hey David, > > I tried , > smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 525 Students > smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 526 Staff > > > But net groupmap list doesn't show them. Also when I look at the user > i created with smbldap-useradd -m -a [username], getent group shows > the new entry as this: > > \E2\80\93a:x:10000: > > (the user i just created had gid 10000) > > Whats up with that doyou think? > > > I just posted some messages from tail -f /var/log/ldap to the list > too. Maybe that will help? > > Thanks! > > Peter > > > > On 7/10/06, David Trask wrote: >> Sorry for the short answer....it was late. The issue is probably >> nsswitch.conf. There's no problem that I can se other than the >> authentication is looking for local users first....it always does....so >> you can use a few predetermined users (local) on the server....if for >> some >> reason LDAP didn't work....you'd be locked out until you went into >> single >> user mode and fixed some things. You'll notice that /etc/nsswitch.conf >> shows "files ldap" in that order......this basically means it checks >> local first then ldap (as it should). Now.....which version of the >> smbldap-installer are you using? What did you install onto >> FC4...FC5...K12LTSP 4.4 or 5? The latest version, as Matt indicated in >> his post, has an issue with a "dbus" timeout that appears to be directly >> related to nsswitch in FC5 (K12LTSP 5). I'd limit the number of local >> users on the server to just a few to keep from confusing things. Let me >> know what versions you're using and we'll take it from there. >> >> >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> writes: >> >"Support list for opensource software in schools." >> on >> >Sun Jul 9 2006 at 16:56 +0000 wrote: >> >>I did move the k12 users to the ldap server because I was >> >>thinking of using the padl.com migrate_passwd.pl because I thought it >> >>actually uses the current passwords (now I don't think it does). But >> >>I think this might be causing me some problems because >> >>/etc/sysconfig/system-auth checks the login against /etc/passwd first. >> >> Right now my client setup definetely checks the local /etc/passwd >> >>first. If It doesn't find an entry and does find a ldap user I get >> >>asked for Login, Password, Ldap Password but I still can't get in. Can >> >>you shed any light on this? >> > >> > >> >There shouldn't be any users on the K12LTSP box....yes....it will check >> >local users/passwords first....so don't have any users on the k12ltsp >> box >> > >> > >> >David N. Trask >> >Technology Teacher/Director >> >Vassalboro Community School >> >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >> >(207)923-3100 >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >K12OSN mailing list >> >K12OSN at redhat.com >> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >For more info see >> >> >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Director >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >> (207)923-3100 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Jul 12 21:08:02 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:08:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ldap client setup In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607121204w1afa9b9ap29940462cbda5f30@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> < > < > <9bd317560607091356p7c83f01dj98fe4d4090a3cb3f@mail.gmail.com> < > < > <9bd317560607121204w1afa9b9ap29940462cbda5f30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Something is seriously broken....in my experience if the net groupmap list doesn't work right then you might as well start over. Did you do a clean install on this machine or is it something you upgraded? Give me more history on the installation itself...also which version of smbldap-installer did you use? Is it your machine that crapped out on the smbldap-populate? (getting confused with the threads) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wed Jul 12 2006 at 15:04 +0000 wrote: >Hey David, > >I tried , >smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 525 Students >smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 526 Staff > > >But net groupmap list doesn't show them. Also when I look at the user >i created with smbldap-useradd -m -a [username], getent group shows >the new entry as this: > >\E2\80\93a:x:10000: > >(the user i just created had gid 10000) > >Whats up with that doyou think? > > >I just posted some messages from tail -f /var/log/ldap to the list >too. Maybe that will help? > >Thanks! > >Peter David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jul 12 21:09:25 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:09:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS?NIS In-Reply-To: <44B542E9.5010201@paasda.org> References: <464c38cc0607110716i13850768geb046ecb24ec4bf9@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0607110841s70b0084cv574d2e85af0a45a8@mail.gmail.com> <44B407F7.2090603@paasda.org> <20060712040541.M48102@winonacotter.org> <44B542E9.5010201@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20060712210413.M52878@winonacotter.org> > What would I go about doing so that Building A. has it's own LTSP > server, Building B. has it's own LTSP server AND a central > authenticating server for clients(mac/thin/pc/etc). > > And how would each client know which LTSP server to connect to? > I see how you could subnet building A from building B LTSP-wise..but > then how to let both buildings authenticate from a central SMBLDAP machine? Subnetworks. Let's say your main network is 192.168.0.x 255.255.255.0 in building A. Put your building A server on that network and your smbldap server on it as well. Auth server A to the smbldap server. Then in the other building either subnet with an internal router or use a dual nic ltsp server. External network would be 192.168.0.x and internal network could be 192.168.1.x for building B. The 192.168.1.x network should still be able to connect to the 192.168.0.x network as long as you do not have firewall rules set up to prevent it on the internal router (should be no reason to even set one up). Then in subsequent buildings you could use the same setup, building C 192.168.2.x, building D 192.168.3.x, etc. > And just to confuse a bit more...what if I wanted to implement > stand-alone Linux boxes(with any flavour'd Distro out there the kids > like)...and still have them authenticate to the central SMBLDAP > machine, and have their "LTSP" profiles follow them around on > those machines as well? Those stand alone boxes would reside on each building subnet. Again, there should be no reason that when you run authconfig on them that they would not be able to contact the smbldap server on another network. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Jul 12 21:17:46 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:17:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ldap client setup In-Reply-To: <17461.169.244.70.146.1152732361.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <17461.169.244.70.146.1152732361.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: do this.... slapcat -l filename.ldif (that's an "L"...and filename can be whatever you wish to name it) then post the file somewhere for us to download and look at. Having said that LDAP is a sensitive beast when setting it up...once it's up she's rock solid. (once screwup and the whole thing falls apart) ....(a good reason for using the smbldap-installer script....as we've tested it over and over) However, I've wasted many hours trying to "fix" an ldap installation when I'd have been much better off just starting anew. Slapcat and slapadd are your friends....once you have an LDAP database up and running you can back it up (slapcat -l filename.ldif) then move the file to another LDAP server or simply restore the current ldap server with (slapadd -l filename.ldif....where filename is the file you "slapcatted" earlier)....it's a cinch! "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wed Jul 12 2006 at 15:26 +0000 wrote: >all i ever do up to now is write an ldif..or generate one with a >script..and add groups that way..using ldapadd..do slapcat>/soemfile and >send it if you want...ill instal it on a machine here if you like.. > >> Hey David, >> >> I tried , >> smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 525 Students >> smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 526 Staff >> >> >> But net groupmap list doesn't show them. Also when I look at the user >> i created with smbldap-useradd -m -a [username], getent group shows >> the new entry as this: >> >> \E2\80\93a:x:10000: >> >> (the user i just created had gid 10000) >> >> Whats up with that doyou think? >> >> >> I just posted some messages from tail -f /var/log/ldap to the list >> too. Maybe that will help? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> On 7/10/06, David Trask wrote: >>> Sorry for the short answer....it was late. The issue is probably >>> nsswitch.conf. There's no problem that I can se other than the >>> authentication is looking for local users first....it always does....so >>> you can use a few predetermined users (local) on the server....if for >>> some >>> reason LDAP didn't work....you'd be locked out until you went into >>> single >>> user mode and fixed some things. You'll notice that /etc/nsswitch.conf >>> shows "files ldap" in that order......this basically means it checks >>> local first then ldap (as it should). Now.....which version of the >>> smbldap-installer are you using? What did you install onto >>> FC4...FC5...K12LTSP 4.4 or 5? The latest version, as Matt indicated in >>> his post, has an issue with a "dbus" timeout that appears to be >directly >>> related to nsswitch in FC5 (K12LTSP 5). I'd limit the number of local >>> users on the server to just a few to keep from confusing things. Let >me >>> know what versions you're using and we'll take it from there. >>> >>> >>> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >>> writes: >>> >"Support list for opensource software in schools." >>> on >>> >Sun Jul 9 2006 at 16:56 +0000 wrote: >>> >>I did move the k12 users to the ldap server because I was >>> >>thinking of using the padl.com migrate_passwd.pl because I thought it >>> >>actually uses the current passwords (now I don't think it does). But >>> >>I think this might be causing me some problems because >>> >>/etc/sysconfig/system-auth checks the login against /etc/passwd >first. >>> >> Right now my client setup definetely checks the local /etc/passwd >>> >>first. If It doesn't find an entry and does find a ldap user I get >>> >>asked for Login, Password, Ldap Password but I still can't get in. >Can >>> >>you shed any light on this? >>> > >>> > >>> >There shouldn't be any users on the K12LTSP box....yes....it will >check >>> >local users/passwords first....so don't have any users on the k12ltsp >>> box >>> > >>> > >>> >David N. Trask >>> >Technology Teacher/Director >>> >Vassalboro Community School >>> >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >>> >(207)923-3100 >>> > >>> > >>> >_______________________________________________ >>> >K12OSN mailing list >>> >K12OSN at redhat.com >>> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> >For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> David N. Trask >>> Technology Teacher/Director >>> Vassalboro Community School >>> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >>> (207)923-3100 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 21:17:04 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:17:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ldap client setup In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560607091356p7c83f01dj98fe4d4090a3cb3f@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560607121204w1afa9b9ap29940462cbda5f30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560607121417v7cd9a3f3k67e3d327777c891b@mail.gmail.com> Hey David, Unfourtunately it's an 4.4.1 upgrade from fc2 (4.1.1 is it?) smbdlap-installer version 2.1. > Is it your machine that crapped out on the > smbldap-populate? Nope the the script completed without error. Fresh install is it? Thanks, Peter On 7/12/06, David Trask wrote: > Something is seriously broken....in my experience if the net groupmap list > doesn't work right then you might as well start over. Did you do a clean > install on this machine or is it something you upgraded? Give me more > history on the installation itself...also which version of > smbldap-installer did you use? Is it your machine that crapped out on the > smbldap-populate? (getting confused with the threads) > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wed Jul 12 2006 at 15:04 +0000 wrote: > >Hey David, > > > >I tried , > >smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 525 Students > >smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 526 Staff > > > > > >But net groupmap list doesn't show them. Also when I look at the user > >i created with smbldap-useradd -m -a [username], getent group shows > >the new entry as this: > > > >\E2\80\93a:x:10000: > > > >(the user i just created had gid 10000) > > > >Whats up with that doyou think? > > > > > >I just posted some messages from tail -f /var/log/ldap to the list > >too. Maybe that will help? > > > >Thanks! > > > >Peter > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Jul 12 21:22:42 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:22:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ldap client setup In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> < > <, > < > <, > <9bd317560607091356p7c83f01dj98fe4d4090a3cb3f@mail.gmail.com> < > <, > < > <, > <, > <9bd317560607121204w1afa9b9ap29940462cbda5f30@mail.gmail.com> <,> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wed Jul 12 2006 at 17:08 +0000 wrote: >Something is seriously broken....in my experience if the net groupmap list >doesn't work right then you might as well start over. Did you do a clean >install on this machine or is it something you upgraded? Give me more >history on the installation itself...also which version of >smbldap-installer did you use? Is it your machine that crapped out on the >smbldap-populate? (getting confused with the threads) Go to my original how-to http://www.vcsvikings.org/linux/smbldap/ and skip down to the section on "Let's test this puppy out" and run the tests....it will give you a lot of insight as to what doesn't work. Post your results. (disregard the links on that page as they're old) The smbldap-installer wiki (latest docs) can be found here: http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/ David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 21:20:15 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:20:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ldap client setup In-Reply-To: References: <17461.169.244.70.146.1152732361.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560607121420q493fa5b0i729b7845916e2d40@mail.gmail.com> ok here it is. On 7/12/06, David Trask wrote: > do this.... > > slapcat -l filename.ldif > > (that's an "L"...and filename can be whatever you wish to name it) > > then post the file somewhere for us to download and look at. > > Having said that LDAP is a sensitive beast when setting it up...once it's > up she's rock solid. (once screwup and the whole thing falls apart) > ....(a good reason for using the smbldap-installer script....as we've > tested it over and over) However, I've wasted many hours trying to "fix" > an ldap installation when I'd have been much better off just starting > anew. Slapcat and slapadd are your friends....once you have an LDAP > database up and running you can back it up (slapcat -l filename.ldif) then > move the file to another LDAP server or simply restore the current ldap > server with (slapadd -l filename.ldif....where filename is the file you > "slapcatted" earlier)....it's a cinch! > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wed Jul 12 2006 at 15:26 +0000 wrote: > >all i ever do up to now is write an ldif..or generate one with a > >script..and add groups that way..using ldapadd..do slapcat>/soemfile and > >send it if you want...ill instal it on a machine here if you like.. > > > >> Hey David, > >> > >> I tried , > >> smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 525 Students > >> smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 526 Staff > >> > >> > >> But net groupmap list doesn't show them. Also when I look at the user > >> i created with smbldap-useradd -m -a [username], getent group shows > >> the new entry as this: > >> > >> \E2\80\93a:x:10000: > >> > >> (the user i just created had gid 10000) > >> > >> Whats up with that doyou think? > >> > >> > >> I just posted some messages from tail -f /var/log/ldap to the list > >> too. Maybe that will help? > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Peter > >> > >> > >> > >> On 7/10/06, David Trask wrote: > >>> Sorry for the short answer....it was late. The issue is probably > >>> nsswitch.conf. There's no problem that I can se other than the > >>> authentication is looking for local users first....it always does....so > >>> you can use a few predetermined users (local) on the server....if for > >>> some > >>> reason LDAP didn't work....you'd be locked out until you went into > >>> single > >>> user mode and fixed some things. You'll notice that /etc/nsswitch.conf > >>> shows "files ldap" in that order......this basically means it checks > >>> local first then ldap (as it should). Now.....which version of the > >>> smbldap-installer are you using? What did you install onto > >>> FC4...FC5...K12LTSP 4.4 or 5? The latest version, as Matt indicated in > >>> his post, has an issue with a "dbus" timeout that appears to be > >directly > >>> related to nsswitch in FC5 (K12LTSP 5). I'd limit the number of local > >>> users on the server to just a few to keep from confusing things. Let > >me > >>> know what versions you're using and we'll take it from there. > >>> > >>> > >>> "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >>> writes: > >>> >"Support list for opensource software in schools." > >>> on > >>> >Sun Jul 9 2006 at 16:56 +0000 wrote: > >>> >>I did move the k12 users to the ldap server because I was > >>> >>thinking of using the padl.com migrate_passwd.pl because I thought it > >>> >>actually uses the current passwords (now I don't think it does). But > >>> >>I think this might be causing me some problems because > >>> >>/etc/sysconfig/system-auth checks the login against /etc/passwd > >first. > >>> >> Right now my client setup definetely checks the local /etc/passwd > >>> >>first. If It doesn't find an entry and does find a ldap user I get > >>> >>asked for Login, Password, Ldap Password but I still can't get in. > >Can > >>> >>you shed any light on this? > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >There shouldn't be any users on the K12LTSP box....yes....it will > >check > >>> >local users/passwords first....so don't have any users on the k12ltsp > >>> box > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >David N. Trask > >>> >Technology Teacher/Director > >>> >Vassalboro Community School > >>> >dtrask at vcsvikings.org > >>> >(207)923-3100 > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >_______________________________________________ > >>> >K12OSN mailing list > >>> >K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> >For more info see > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> David N. Trask > >>> Technology Teacher/Director > >>> Vassalboro Community School > >>> dtrask at vcsvikings.org > >>> (207)923-3100 > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. 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"Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wed Jul 12 2006 at 17:17 +0000 wrote: >Hey David, >Unfourtunately it's an 4.4.1 upgrade from fc2 (4.1.1 is it?) >smbdlap-installer version 2.1. > >> Is it your machine that crapped out on the >> smbldap-populate? > >Nope the the script completed without error. > >Fresh install is it? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 21:29:28 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:29:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ldap client setup In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560607091356p7c83f01dj98fe4d4090a3cb3f@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560607121204w1afa9b9ap29940462cbda5f30@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560607121417v7cd9a3f3k67e3d327777c891b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560607121429l56a4e90ewed3660eeceb0ded6@mail.gmail.com> > Did you have Samba/LDAP installed on the 4.1.1 version? Or are you doing > it for the first time? Yes I did try and get it to run on 4.1.1. P On 7/12/06, David Trask wrote: > Did you have Samba/LDAP installed on the 4.1.1 version? Or are you doing > it for the first time? > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wed Jul 12 2006 at 17:17 +0000 wrote: > >Hey David, > >Unfourtunately it's an 4.4.1 upgrade from fc2 (4.1.1 is it?) > >smbdlap-installer version 2.1. > > > >> Is it your machine that crapped out on the > >> smbldap-populate? > > > >Nope the the script completed without error. > > > >Fresh install is it? > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 22:09:45 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:09:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ldap client setup In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560607091356p7c83f01dj98fe4d4090a3cb3f@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560607121204w1afa9b9ap29940462cbda5f30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560607121509w284df4a8s2b5d0906e9f715a@mail.gmail.com> Ok I put the output of the tests here: http://test.ascensionschoolnyc.org/ldap/ Thanks! Peter On 7/12/06, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wed Jul 12 2006 at 17:08 +0000 wrote: > >Something is seriously broken....in my experience if the net groupmap list > >doesn't work right then you might as well start over. Did you do a clean > >install on this machine or is it something you upgraded? Give me more > >history on the installation itself...also which version of > >smbldap-installer did you use? Is it your machine that crapped out on the > >smbldap-populate? (getting confused with the threads) > > Go to my original how-to http://www.vcsvikings.org/linux/smbldap/ and > skip down to the section on "Let's test this puppy out" and run the > tests....it will give you a lot of insight as to what doesn't work. Post > your results. (disregard the links on that page as they're old) The > smbldap-installer wiki (latest docs) can be found here: > http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/ > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Jul 12 22:15:19 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ldap client setup In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607121509w284df4a8s2b5d0906e9f715a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560607091356p7c83f01dj98fe4d4090a3cb3f@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560607121204w1afa9b9ap29940462cbda5f30@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560607121509w284df4a8s2b5d0906e9f715a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47372.70.33.151.214.1152742519.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> dn:: Y2494oCTYSxvdT1Hcm91cHMsZGM9YXNjZW5zaW9uc2Nob29sbnljLGRjPW9yZw== objectClass: top objectClass: posixGroup cn:: 4oCTYQ== gidNumber: 10000 structuralObjectClass: posixGroup entryUUID: 739178c4-a61f-102a-992a-e2b2acbc2612 creatorsName: cn=Manager,dc=ascensionschoolnyc,dc=org createTimestamp: 20060712182450Z entryCSN: 20060712182450Z#000002#00#000000 modifiersName: cn=Manager,dc=ascensionschoolnyc,dc=org modifyTimestamp: 20060712182450Z something REALLY screwy here.. From andrae.findlator at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 21:48:37 2006 From: andrae.findlator at gmail.com (Andrae Findlator) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:48:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How Low can you go? Message-ID: I was able to run 24 clients on a dell gx110 500 MHz and 512 ram with the k12ltsp that ran on fedora core 3. Interestingly it took a lot more memory in the next version of ltsp. I would say 64M/user From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Jul 12 22:35:44 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ldap client setup In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607121509w284df4a8s2b5d0906e9f715a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560607091356p7c83f01dj98fe4d4090a3cb3f@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560607121204w1afa9b9ap29940462cbda5f30@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560607121509w284df4a8s2b5d0906e9f715a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49795.70.33.151.214.1152743744.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> dont forget that it looks as if root 's login shell is /bin/false > On 7/12/06, David Trask wrote: >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> on >> Wed Jul 12 2006 at 17:08 +0000 wrote: >> >Something is seriously broken....in my experience if the net groupmap >> list >> >doesn't work right then you might as well start over. Did you do a >> clean >> >install on this machine or is it something you upgraded? Give me more >> >history on the installation itself...also which version of >> >smbldap-installer did you use? Is it your machine that crapped out on >> the >> >smbldap-populate? (getting confused with the threads) >> >> Go to my original how-to http://www.vcsvikings.org/linux/smbldap/ and >> skip down to the section on "Let's test this puppy out" and run the >> tests....it will give you a lot of insight as to what doesn't work. >> Post >> your results. (disregard the links on that page as they're old) The >> smbldap-installer wiki (latest docs) can be found here: >> http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/ >> >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Director >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >> (207)923-3100 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ssanders at coin.org Thu Jul 13 00:58:56 2006 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:58:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server specs....how low can you go? In-Reply-To: <20060710162915.GH9611@wizzy.com> References: <993ff5300607100822q6a0bba0doce1ec219d11a8335@mail.gmail.com> <20060710162915.GH9611@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <1152752336.31970.14.camel@bofh.ltsp> Chiming in with everyone else on this one, and a question later. I have run a P2/233 with 512 meg of ram, and it was fairly satisfactory. At the time, it was serving two clients. As mentioned, RAM and I/O can be the biggest bottlenecks. For a home/test setup, I am currently using an AMD 900 w/512 meg, ATA 66 drives, and gigabit link between the server and switch for the 100mbit clients. It's intended use is basic web/email/docs and it does well for three or four clients, OpenOffice and Flash can drag it down some. Along these lines? As far as recycling old junkers go, what does everyone think about a dual 533 w/768 meg of ram vs. the mentioned AMD 900 w/512? The dual 533 is the old Abit BP6, and has been reliable for me (I built it when BP6 was new and hot stuff, several years ago). Would the SMP kernel and more ram offset the slower speed of the dual CPU's? The drive I/O and network would remain the same. From les at futuresource.com Thu Jul 13 01:38:14 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:38:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VMWare server Message-ID: <1152754694.2915.14.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> VMWare server is out of beta. It is still free but you have to register again and request activation keys for the number of servers where you plan to install it. It probably has too much overhead for your main production servers but it is great for testing the next version you plan to deploy or less-used applications that would otherwise need a dedicated machine to run. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 01:37:42 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:37:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp ldap client setup In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560607071250s1396450ehf86bdedd81dc08f6@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560607091356p7c83f01dj98fe4d4090a3cb3f@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560607121204w1afa9b9ap29940462cbda5f30@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560607121417v7cd9a3f3k67e3d327777c891b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560607121837s297e4c1fmc22d9f99be4b5acf@mail.gmail.com> Ok thanks guys. Reinstalling now. Peter On 7/12/06, David Trask wrote: > Did you have Samba/LDAP installed on the 4.1.1 version? Or are you doing > it for the first time? > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wed Jul 12 2006 at 17:17 +0000 wrote: > >Hey David, > >Unfourtunately it's an 4.4.1 upgrade from fc2 (4.1.1 is it?) > >smbdlap-installer version 2.1. > > > >> Is it your machine that crapped out on the > >> smbldap-populate? > > > >Nope the the script completed without error. > > > >Fresh install is it? > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 02:16:10 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:16:10 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] file permissions for different groups? In-Reply-To: <1150061068.18262.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <446CD488.2090901@orcon.net.nz> <1147984728.28654.26.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <44872AE1.4070407@orcon.net.nz> <28662.169.244.70.146.1149709931.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <1149714542.2041.30.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <448C6AD0.6070908@gmail.com> <1150053899.18034.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1150061068.18262.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: I have set up my K12LTSP as a Samba file server. If someone is connecting from a windows machine, how do they control permissions? eg which group and which access mode For example the principal may want to place a file on the server which is only to be accessed by Admin group. Another file he may want RW access to Admin and RO access to Staff and no access to others. Another file he may want RW access for Staff and Admin but noone else.How can he set these permissions from his Windows XP machine? 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For instance, the ImageMagik is needed > for the c++ upgrade, so uninstall the existing c++ package with > ImageMagik. > > The other way is to make liberal use of the --exclude in > the commandline version of yum. This will dodge the broken dependencies. > > If you are using yumex, you can keep dropping packages to be upgraded > from the queue and rerun the upgrade. > > Some of the " not available" lines look like a repo is marked as > off. i.e. libcrypto _is_ available but it should be in base or updates. Thanks for the feedback. I had hoped to avoid removing packages, but will follow your suggestion. As for the package being available from repo 'x' and my machine not getting it, then it must come down to me being on the other side of the world (australia) and on dialup as well. That is, I get yum performing lots of mirror skipping when trying to pull in rpms and then it often gives up on some repos. I guess I had hoped that yum would "just work"(tm) ;-) When I first had the problem, I read on a fedora list that that some packages were broken, so part of the reason for my post was to see if others had a similar problem with yum. I guess not :-( Gavin. From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu Jul 13 03:38:54 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:38:54 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Server specs....how low can you go? In-Reply-To: <1152752336.31970.14.camel@bofh.ltsp> References: <993ff5300607100822q6a0bba0doce1ec219d11a8335@mail.gmail.com> <20060710162915.GH9611@wizzy.com> <1152752336.31970.14.camel@bofh.ltsp> Message-ID: <1152761934.3535.191.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 19:58 -0500, ssanders at coin.org wrote: > Chiming in with everyone else on this one, and a question later. -snip- > Along these lines? As far as recycling old junkers go, what does > everyone think about a dual 533 w/768 meg of ram vs. the mentioned AMD > 900 w/512? The dual 533 is the old Abit BP6, and has been reliable for > me (I built it when BP6 was new and hot stuff, several years ago). > > Would the SMP kernel and more ram offset the slower speed of the dual > CPU's? The drive I/O and network would remain the same. Many, many times on this list multi-CPU machines have been recommended for terminal servers. The benefits are that sometimes a single user can take the CPU right up to >90% briefly. When that happens everyone suffers. With dual CPU (or more - my dual Xeon with hyperthreading is seen as four CPUs) then such occurrences have minimal/no impact on other users. Having switched from a single to dual CPU machine, I can attest to the benefit. As to the comparison between the two machines you have: They are fairly close in speed to start with, so go with the dual CPU machine every time. Just watch your bottlenecks such as RAM, disk IO, and network speed :-) The SMP kernel won't offset the slower speed, as such, it will allow full use of the SMP architecture, however. If you're happy using slower PCs (ie, you have patience when opening apps, and so on) then the dual 533 is a very usable server - just look for some more RAM to make it better. You don't say what type of hard drive. If SCSI, then you're laughing, but if old IDE drives, then that will be a bottleneck for more than a handful of users, I'm told. HTH Gavin. From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 04:23:23 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:53:23 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Server specs....how low can you go? In-Reply-To: <1152761934.3535.191.camel@server.ltsp> References: <993ff5300607100822q6a0bba0doce1ec219d11a8335@mail.gmail.com> <20060710162915.GH9611@wizzy.com> <1152752336.31970.14.camel@bofh.ltsp> <1152761934.3535.191.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <774593a20607122123l299cfe49s83c243b7d571de99@mail.gmail.com> On 13/07/06, Gavin Chester wrote: > > Many, many times on this list multi-CPU machines have been recommended > for terminal servers. The benefits are that sometimes a single user can > take the CPU right up to >90% briefly. When that happens everyone > suffers. With dual CPU (or more - my dual Xeon with hyperthreading is > seen as four CPUs) then such occurrences have minimal/no impact on other > users. Having switched from a single to dual CPU machine, I can attest > to the benefit. > My $0.02 worth......The above advise is golden. I never believed it possible the improvement I saw with dual core CPU and SMP kernel. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From moquist at majen.net Thu Jul 13 09:26:50 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:26:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer now supports full replication, PDC/BDC In-Reply-To: <20060712221515.184D8733A8@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060712221515.184D8733A8@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060713092650.GD14269@majen.net> Well, "alpha supports", anyway. :) As always, http://www.majen.net/smbldap/smbldap-installer-latest.tgz is the newest version, which, ATM, is 3.0-alpha. I've added a page in the documentation wiki where the new automated PDC/BDC configuration can be documented, so have at it! ;) http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/replication In summary, this new feature includes: 1. Continual replication from your master LDAP server to all your slave LDAP servers (from your PDC to all your BDCs) 2. Automatic failover to a BDC as Domain Master should your PDC go down. Samba 3 By Example goes into great detail about how such a configuration can be used effectively in a multi-site WAN. If you're even thinking about running Samba/LDAP, you should at least familiarize yourself with this book: http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/ or http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/Samba3-ByExample.pdf Also, Dapper and Fedora Core 5 are now supported (thanks to Dave Trask for debugging help on FC5). Note: For FC5 you must *manually* disable SELinux and the firewall, or the installer *will not work*. This is noted on the documentation website, but I still expect to hear from lots of people who can't get things working because the firewall is turned on... 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That did not change layouts on terminals. yours, mikkoj From mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi Thu Jul 13 10:00:55 2006 From: mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:00:55 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Keymap problem / K123LTSP 5 In-Reply-To: <20060713125416.h2s7oor3rk1wgkog@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> References: <20060713125416.h2s7oor3rk1wgkog@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> Message-ID: <20060713130055.3pfdhdl6r9ws0gos@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> And in lts.conf I have this: # Keyboards XkbSymbols = "fi(pc101)" XkbModel = "pc101" XkbLayout = "fi" Lainaus Mikko Jordman : > Hi! > > I can not change the keymap to "fi" on terminals, not in the > lts.conf, not with > system-config-keyboard. > This is what I get when trying as "su -" > > [root at server ~]# system-config-keyboard > Loading /lib/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwerty/fi.map.gz > Error loading new keyboard description > > P.S Don't remember what I did, but I managed to change layout on server. 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I've added a page in the documentation wiki where the new automated PDC/BDC configuration can be documented, so have at it! ;) http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/replication In summary, this new feature includes: 1. Continual replication from your master LDAP server to all your slave LDAP servers (from your PDC to all your BDCs) 2. Automatic failover to a BDC as Domain Master should your PDC go down. Samba 3 By Example goes into great detail about how such a configuration can be used effectively in a multi-site WAN. If you're even thinking about running Samba/LDAP, you should at least familiarize yourself with this book: http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/ or http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/Samba3-ByExample.pdf Also, Dapper and Fedora Core 5 are now supported (thanks to Dave Trask for debugging help on FC5). Note: For FC5 you must *manually* disable SELinux and the firewall, or the installer *will not work*. This is noted on the documentation website, but I still expect to hear from lots of people who can't get things working because the firewall is turned on... See http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/NotesForFedoraCore if you're installing on FC5. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 13 13:52:14 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Keymap problem / K123LTSP 5 In-Reply-To: <20060713125416.h2s7oor3rk1wgkog@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> References: <20060713125416.h2s7oor3rk1wgkog@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> Message-ID: I believe I have a fix for this. I'll post the updated packages in a couple hours, after I have verified that they work properly. -Eric On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Mikko Jordman wrote: > Hi! > > I can not change the keymap to "fi" on terminals, not in the lts.conf, not > with > system-config-keyboard. > This is what I get when trying as "su -" > > [root at server ~]# system-config-keyboard > Loading /lib/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwerty/fi.map.gz > Error loading new keyboard description > > P.S Don't remember what I did, but I managed to change layout on server. That > did not change layouts on terminals. > > yours, > mikkoj > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 13 15:39:52 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:39:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 beta keymap fix Message-ID: <44B66948.2000804@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I uploaded a new ltsp_i386 package that hopefully fixes the keymap problems. If you are running K12LTSP 5.0 beta, please run "yum update" and install the new package. NOTE: I believe you have to reboot your terminal for the changes to take effect. Let me know ASAP if you spot any problems! -Eric From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 16:11:11 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:11:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] yum problem Message-ID: <9bd317560607130911l1787fc9fic41684d10dcac0d3@mail.gmail.com> Ok this is weird...This is a fresh 4.4.1 install. When I try installing programs with yum all the pats to the repositories are messed up itn this way: http://ftp.nara.wide.ad.jp/pub/Linux/fedora/core/updates/4/i386/updates/gcc-gfortran-4.0.2-8.fc4.i386.rpm http://fedora.mirrors.tds.net/pub/fedora-core/updates/4/i386/updates/gcc-gfortran-4.0.2-8.fc4.i386.rpm http://ftp.isu.edu.tw/pub/Linux/Fedora/linux/core/updates/4/i386/updates/gcc-gfortran-4.0.2-8.fc4.i386.rpm they seem to be adding an extra "updates" in there resulting in 404 errors. On an install just before this I did a yum update yum and I still had the same problem . I thought I had broken it myself that's why I installed again. I see that it's not me now but could someone hazard a guess as to what is going on? Thanks, Peter From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Thu Jul 13 16:12:10 2006 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (James P Schwankl) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:12:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Open-Xchange Message-ID: <20060713161210.c914784c@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> Hey all, Anyone have any experience with Open x-change? Anyone using it. http://www.open-xchange.com/EN/ If so, any words of wisdom? Heard anything about it? Peace, Jimmy +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ****This Message was sent through the Chatham County Schools E-Mail Server**** All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. From moquist at majen.net Thu Jul 13 16:16:07 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:16:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: smbldap-installer now supports full replication, PDC/BDC (Paul Lemke) In-Reply-To: <20060713160022.4CC02736CA@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060713160022.4CC02736CA@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060713161607.GC2310@majen.net> > Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:53:21 -0500 > From: "Paul Lemke" > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer now supports full replication, > PDC/BDC > Any particular reason why the firewall has to be disabled? Can we start it > back up after the install is done? Or could you give us a list of ports that > need to be open? Thanks! > I can't wait to try this when I get in today. I haven't bothered to figure out exactly what the problem is because I haven't had the time, and also because I hope that almost everyone would only run Samba/LDAP on an internal server, behind *another* firewall. If you want to figure out the minimal set of changes to the default firewall that will let the installer succeed in creating a working configuration, please do! Let me know what the changes are and we can add a script to the installer to make things easier. I don't want to turn the firewall or SELinux off automatically, *especially* without asking. It's a design decision that the user should need to perform those actions manually. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From petre at maltzen.net Thu Jul 13 16:53:06 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:53:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Open-Xchange In-Reply-To: <20060713161210.c914784c@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> References: <20060713161210.c914784c@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <44B67A72.8080604@maltzen.net> Another one you might look at is Zimbra, www.zimbra.com. It's all browser-based, with a lot of AJAX so that it seems similar to working with dedicated mail clients. They have a free open source version. The advantage of Open-Xchange is that it works with Outlook; the disadvantage is that it works with Outlook, meaning you're still leaving users tied to platform-specific, proprietary apps. I haven't worked with either of them, but I follow them both (and some other mail systems) in anticipation of needing to replace an MS Exchange system some day. Petre James P Schwankl wrote: > Hey all, > > Anyone have any experience with Open x-change? Anyone using it. > > http://www.open-xchange.com/EN/ > > If so, any words of wisdom? Heard anything about it? > > > Peace, > Jimmy > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then. > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ****This Message was sent through the Chatham County Schools E-Mail Server**** > > All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the > North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and > disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From caldodge at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 17:01:36 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:01:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Open-Xchange In-Reply-To: <44B67A72.8080604@maltzen.net> References: <20060713161210.c914784c@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> <44B67A72.8080604@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0607131001m6e801d77ya03abfc5025f2e86@mail.gmail.com> On 7/13/06, Petre Scheie wrote: > Another one you might look at is Zimbra, www.zimbra.com. It's all browser-based, with a > lot of AJAX so that it seems similar to working with dedicated mail clients. They have > a free open source version. The advantage of Open-Xchange is that it works with The business I work for has been using the open source version for some months now. It seems to work fine for us - using AJAX to mimic some of the functionality of Outlook (scheduling, address book, etc>) It recognizes and responds to Outlook schedule requests, putting accepted requests in the calendar. If you decide to use Zimbra, be sure to use a sufficiently powerful system (I'd suggest at least 1 GHz and 512 megs of RAM, since my first test system (400 MHz) was unbearably slow). It's simplest to dedicate a machine to Zimbra, since it occupies mail and web ports (for the web-based access), so don't plan to add it to an existing web server (it CAN be done, but you're really better off with a dedicated Zimbra server. Feel free to email me off-list if you have any other questions about Zimbra. Calvin Dodge From gumprechtm at msad3.org Thu Jul 13 17:05:51 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:05:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Open-Xchange In-Reply-To: <20060713161210.c914784c@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> References: <20060713161210.c914784c@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <44B67D6F.8070705@msad3.org> Not with that one, but another one worthy of noting is citadel.org. Mark James P Schwankl wrote: > Hey all, > > Anyone have any experience with Open x-change? Anyone using it. > > http://www.open-xchange.com/EN/ > > If so, any words of wisdom? Heard anything about it? > > > Peace, > Jimmy > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then. > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ****This Message was sent through the Chatham County Schools E-Mail Server**** > > All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the > North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and > disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- ?Mark Gumprecht MSAD3 Unity, Maine 04988 gumprechtm at msad3.org From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Thu Jul 13 18:47:47 2006 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:47:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 beta keymap fix In-Reply-To: <44B66948.2000804@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44B66948.2000804@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060713144747.6de97b5d.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:39:52 -0700 Eric Harrison wrote: > > I uploaded a new ltsp_i386 package that hopefully fixes the keymap > problems. > > If you are running K12LTSP 5.0 beta, please run "yum update" and install > the new package. NOTE: I believe you have to reboot your terminal for > the changes to take effect. That shell and screen can coexist once again (and yes, the terminal does have to be rebooted). Thanks, Eric! Jesse From julius at turtle.com Thu Jul 13 18:47:01 2006 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] php configuration Message-ID: Dear Folks, I've noticed that in K12ltsp v. 5, PHP is configured "--without-mysql", which makes it unusable with mysql. Any suggestions for a quick fix? I'd love to avoid the need to compile it from the sources. Thank you, julius From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 13 18:51:02 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:51:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] php configuration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44B69616.7070805@mesd.k12.or.us> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > I've noticed that in K12ltsp v. 5, PHP is configured > "--without-mysql", which makes it unusable with mysql. Any suggestions for > a quick fix? I'd love to avoid the need to compile it from the sources. yum install php-mysql rpm -qi php-mysql ...snip... The php-mysql package contains a dynamic shared object that will add MySQL database support to PHP. MySQL is an object-relational database management system. PHP is an HTML-embeddable scripting language. If you need MySQL support for PHP applications, you will need to install this package and the php package. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 18:54:27 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:54:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: screen command Message-ID: <9bd317560607131154h3c9c0b30x6344fdb952807deb@mail.gmail.com> I just discovered the screen command, which i'm finding is awesome for long running jobs. I was wondering if anyone knows how to scroll back through the output of the terminal? You know how you can shift-page up in xterm. I can't seem to find how to do it. Thanks, Peter From sk12ltsp at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 18:58:24 2006 From: sk12ltsp at gmail.com (Savitur Badhwar) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:58:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Restore k12ltsp server backup to another computer Message-ID: <6d50c44f0607131158p28c14407j8ceabf7080b0d4c6@mail.gmail.com> Hello All, We had a great experience with k12ltsp so far. We used it to setup a lab for remote connection to our symix server. 20 dummy machine connect to the server which is in turn hooked up to our windows NT network and Symix server. So, dummy machines telnet via terminal sessions to the server. We have a situation right now as we plan to move/upgrade our server. We have prepared a faster machine and would like to move all the stuff in our old server to this one. We had made a lot of changes on our existing server that now it is really difficult to reproduce all changes on the default k12ltsp install. We are using fedora k12ltsp - 4.2.1 version. We have a ghost backup of already running server and we tried to restore it on the new computer. IT BOOTED UP but asked for certain configuration changes, Because it is a new machine and it does not have the same ethernet cards, integrated video; it asked for removing the configuration or keeping it. No matter if we remove or keep the configuration, it comes out of boot cycle and puts us to command line stating trying to swap. We would really appreciate if somebody can help us with this transition. How can we restore our live server to this new machine. Look forward to responses. Thanks! Regards, Savitur Badhwar sk12ltsp.at.gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi Thu Jul 13 19:04:19 2006 From: mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:04:19 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0 beta keymap fix In-Reply-To: <20060713144747.6de97b5d.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> References: <44B66948.2000804@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060713144747.6de97b5d.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20060713220419.albu0ctspqsc0ws4@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> Thanks!!! Works beautifully. -mikkoj Lainaus Jesse McDonnell : > On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:39:52 -0700 > Eric Harrison wrote: > >> >> I uploaded a new ltsp_i386 package that hopefully fixes the keymap >> problems. >> >> If you are running K12LTSP 5.0 beta, please run "yum update" and install >> the new package. NOTE: I believe you have to reboot your terminal for >> the changes to take effect. > > That shell and screen can coexist once again (and yes, the terminal > does have to be rebooted). > > Thanks, Eric! > > Jesse > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From julius at turtle.com Thu Jul 13 19:10:33 2006 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] php configuration In-Reply-To: <44B69616.7070805@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Dan Young wrote: > Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > I've noticed that in K12ltsp v. 5, PHP is configured > > "--without-mysql", which makes it unusable with mysql. Any suggestions for > > a quick fix? I'd love to avoid the need to compile it from the sources. > > yum install php-mysql > rpm -qi php-mysql > ...snip... > The php-mysql package contains a dynamic shared object that will add > MySQL database support to PHP. MySQL is an object-relational database > management system. PHP is an HTML-embeddable scripting language. If > you need MySQL support for PHP applications, you will need to install > this package and the php package. > Dan, this wasn't just quick, it was lightning fast! Worked like a charm. Thank you, julius From rojjer389 at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 19:25:48 2006 From: rojjer389 at gmail.com (Roj Jer) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:25:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] More detailed instructions & documentation needed for K12LTSP implementation Message-ID: Words from yet another newbie... please be patient. Career Microsoft folks (like myself) wanting to move from the Microsoft community to the Open Source Linux community face enormous challenges when first arriving in the neighborhood. We don't understand the "lingo" or even where to go to find anything that looks vaguely familiar. I have been recruited to help design and implement a computer lab for a neighborhood private school (K-12). The largest factor was $$COST$$. They have a big need and a small budget. They've received a donation of 30+ 100Mhz Pentium PC's with 64Mb Ram, 1GB Hard Disk, and 10/100 Nics. The cost of implementing new "Dell's" was around $15,000... (way over budget). What is the budget? The least expensive method possible. So, my research has begun. I thought about Citrix on a Microsoft Server, but there were all of the licensing $$COST$$. So, I considered researching Open Source solutions. I got super pumped when I Googled "Open Source Linux Terminal Server" and the 2nd item was titled, "K12 Linux in Schools Project". I read all of the "Testimonials" and "Case Studies" and determined that this was a perfect match. I downloaded the K12LTSP 4.4.1 - Install CD-ROMs and commenced to installing it on a donated 1.4GHz AMD PC with 4GB of RAM. I emulated an Ethernet bootrom on the client PC's by booting from a floppy disk created from the http://www.Rom-O-Matic.net site. Within an hour after having the K12LTSP server online, I had 3 of the 100MHz Pentium PC's connected and working. Super! Great! But that seems to be where the Magic ends. And now the point! In the Windows world it is easy to configure the "All Users" Start Menu (C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu), or customize a Start Menu for a particular user. You can customize the Default User environment (local machine) as a template for subsequent new users. When incorporating Citrix into the Mix, you can install software on the Citrix server and "Publish" the application for a particular user or group. My questions: 1) How / Where do you configure K12LTSP to segregate "Teachers" from "Students", "3rd Grade" from "12th Grade", so that each "group" gets the appropriate desktop and program menu respective to their roles in the school? A 3rd Grader does not need the same applications, shortcuts, etc as a 12th Grader. 2) What are other schools using for URL filtering and Surf Control to keep students from "stumbling" across Porn Sites or any other topic deemed "inappropriate"? Thanks for your patience. RJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As for your first question which I didn't quote..I have no idea, but others have found a way, check last month's archives...it was either May or June where the conversation of menu editing came up. --Huck From vceder at canterburyschool.org Thu Jul 13 19:47:01 2006 From: vceder at canterburyschool.org (Vern Ceder) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:47:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: screen command In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607131154h3c9c0b30x6344fdb952807deb@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560607131154h3c9c0b30x6344fdb952807deb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B6A335.2010704@canterburyschool.org> Ctrl-A then Escape. After that you can scroll up and back using PgUp and PgDn. This is in effect until you hit a time or two. Ain't it great to start a job, disconnect, and then reconnect to that screen later, even from a different login? Yeah... :) Cheers, Vern Peter Hartmann wrote: > I just discovered the screen command, which i'm finding is awesome for > long running jobs. I was wondering if anyone knows how to scroll back > through the output of the terminal? You know how you can shift-page > up in xterm. I can't seem to find how to do it. > > > Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 From vceder at canterburyschool.org Thu Jul 13 19:50:05 2006 From: vceder at canterburyschool.org (Vern Ceder) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:50:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VMWare server In-Reply-To: <1152754694.2915.14.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1152754694.2915.14.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <44B6A3ED.1030002@canterburyschool.org> Let me just add that last night I tried tunneling a connection to the VMWare server at school from a vmware server console on my home machine (over port 902, standard Comcast cable connection) and it worked just fine. In fact, performance seemed better than vnc over the same connection. IMHO, that's cool! Cheers, Vern Les Mikesell wrote: > VMWare server is out of beta. It is still free but you have > to register again and request activation keys for the number > of servers where you plan to install it. It probably has > too much overhead for your main production servers but it is > great for testing the next version you plan to deploy or > less-used applications that would otherwise need a dedicated > machine to run. > -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jul 13 20:23:09 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:23:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] More detailed instructions & documentation needed for K12LTSP implementation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060713195907.M39841@winonacotter.org> Well you have made the best step by joining this list. I am sure someone here can answer any questions you have. In the future, you may get more help if you break your questions down into individual posts and make the subject informative about what the question is. That helps readers browse and quickly decide if your post is a topic they can help with or have interest in. > (C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu), or customize a > Start Menu for a particular user. You can customize the Default User > environment (local machine) as a template for subsequent new users. Linux answer, the directory "/etc/skel". Learn about it. This is the Default User environment that is copied to all new users. > 1) How / Where do you configure K12LTSP to segregate "Teachers" from > "Students", "3rd Grade" from "12th Grade", so that each "group" gets > the appropriate desktop and program menu respective to their roles > in the school? A 3rd Grader does not need the same applications, > shortcuts, etc as a 12th Grader. Not sure myself. > 2) What are other schools using for URL filtering and Surf Control > to keep students from "stumbling" across Porn Sites or any other > topic deemed "inappropriate"? For our student dorm we use IPCop. Works very well out of the box. I am also checking into Endian firewall, I have read great reviews on it and think it may be my choice of the future. There are literally hundreds of options. You can configure software on top of your K12LTSP server (I believe Eric Harrison has developed a DansGuardian or Squidgard package that can be yum installed). You can use a stand alone server with a complete package (such as Endian or IPCop). Or you can use an offsite service via your ISP. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Thu Jul 13 21:13:49 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:13:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] More detailed instructions & documentation needed for K12LTSP implementation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44B6B78D.5050904@maltzen.net> If you are using the Gnome desktop (which is the default), sabayon is a graphical tool for configuring users' menus, desktop icons, etc. As I recall, when I used it a few months ago, it allows you to make changes to one or many users and I *think* you can group people, too. I don't think it's installed by default in 4.4.1; as root, run yum install sabayon and it will install everything for you. Then you'll find it under some menu somewhere (I forget where). If you're using KDE, I think there's a similar tool called Kiosk, but I'm not familiar with it. HTH Petre Roj Jer wrote: > Words from yet another newbie... please be patient. > > Career Microsoft folks (like myself) wanting to move from the Microsoft > community to the Open Source Linux community face enormous challenges > when first arriving in the neighborhood. We don't understand the "lingo" > or even where to go to find anything that looks vaguely familiar. > > I have been recruited to help design and implement a computer lab for a > neighborhood private school (K-12). The largest factor was $$COST$$. > They have a big need and a small budget. They've received a donation of > 30+ 100Mhz Pentium PC's with 64Mb Ram, 1GB Hard Disk, and 10/100 Nics. > The cost of implementing new "Dell's" was around $15,000... (way over > budget). What is the budget? The least expensive method possible. So, my > research has begun. I thought about Citrix on a Microsoft Server, but > there were all of the licensing $$COST$$. So, I considered researching > Open Source solutions. > > I got super pumped when I Googled "Open Source Linux Terminal Server" > and the 2nd item was titled, "K12 Linux in Schools Project". I read all > of the "Testimonials" and "Case Studies" and determined that this was a > perfect match. > > I downloaded the K12LTSP 4.4.1 - Install CD-ROMs and commenced to > installing it on a donated 1.4GHz AMD PC with 4GB of RAM. I emulated an > Ethernet bootrom on the client PC's by booting from a floppy disk > created from the http://www.Rom-O-Matic.net > site. Within an hour after having the > K12LTSP server online, I had 3 of the 100MHz Pentium PC's connected and > working. > > Super! Great! But that seems to be where the Magic ends. > > And now the point! > > In the Windows world it is easy to configure the "All Users" Start Menu > (C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu), or customize a Start > Menu for a particular user. You can customize the Default User > environment (local machine) as a template for subsequent new users. > When incorporating Citrix into the Mix, you can install software on the > Citrix server and "Publish" the application for a particular user or group. > > My questions: > > 1) How / Where do you configure K12LTSP to segregate "Teachers" from > "Students", "3rd Grade" from "12th Grade", so that each "group" gets the > appropriate desktop and program menu respective to their roles in the > school? A 3rd Grader does not need the same applications, shortcuts, etc > as a 12th Grader. > > 2) What are other schools using for URL filtering and Surf Control to > keep students from "stumbling" across Porn Sites or any other topic > deemed "inappropriate"? > > Thanks for your patience. > > RJ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Thu Jul 13 21:14:57 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:14:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Restore k12ltsp server backup to another computer In-Reply-To: <6d50c44f0607131158p28c14407j8ceabf7080b0d4c6@mail.gmail.com> References: <6d50c44f0607131158p28c14407j8ceabf7080b0d4c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1152825298.10248.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 11:58 -0700, Savitur Badhwar wrote: > We have a ghost backup of already running server and we tried to > restore it on the new computer. IT BOOTED UP but asked for certain > configuration changes, Because it is a new machine and it does not > have the same ethernet cards, integrated video; it asked for removing > the configuration or keeping it. No matter if we remove or keep the > configuration, it comes out of boot cycle and puts us to command line > stating trying to swap. > We would really appreciate if somebody can help us with this > transition. How can we restore our live server to this new machine. Can you be more specific about the error message and whether you are still running and just at the command line instead of starting X and the graphic login? If the command line works, does 'df' show all the same partitions as the old server? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Thu Jul 13 21:19:09 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:19:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: screen command In-Reply-To: <44B6A335.2010704@canterburyschool.org> References: <9bd317560607131154h3c9c0b30x6344fdb952807deb@mail.gmail.com> <44B6A335.2010704@canterburyschool.org> Message-ID: <1152825550.10248.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 15:47 -0400, Vern Ceder wrote: > Ctrl-A then Escape. After that you can scroll up and back using PgUp and > PgDn. > > This is in effect until you hit a time or two. > > Ain't it great to start a job, disconnect, and then reconnect to that > screen later, even from a different login? Yeah... :) You can enable vnc on the X console if you want to be able to grab the session remotely for GUI apps too - but you need to adjust the screen number or undo the session started automatically for screen 0 by the k12ltsp setup. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 13 21:25:08 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:25:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] More detailed instructions & documentation needed for K12LTSP implementation In-Reply-To: <44B6B78D.5050904@maltzen.net> References: <44B6B78D.5050904@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44B6BA34.1030608@mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > yum install sabayon > > and it will install everything for you. Then you'll find it under some > menu somewhere (I forget where). Should be System -> Administration -> User Profile Editor. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From m3freak at rogers.com Thu Jul 13 22:15:00 2006 From: m3freak at rogers.com (Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:15:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] More detailed instructions & documentation needed for K12LTSP implementation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1152828900.27533.29.camel@krs> On Thu, 2006-13-07 at 15:25 -0400, Roj Jer wrote: > 1) How / Where do you configure K12LTSP to segregate "Teachers" from > "Students", "3rd Grade" from "12th Grade", so that each "group" gets > the appropriate desktop and program menu respective to their roles in > the school? A 3rd Grader does not need the same applications, > shortcuts, etc as a 12th Grader. You can easily customize the Gnome menu. Previously, there weren't any GUI apps for this, but I believe since Gnome 2.12, one is included by default. There are add on apps too...can't recall the name. You can also just do it from the command line. The problem is customizing the menu for different groups of users. I don't think it's possible (easily) to do that centrally. One possible solution could be to build out your menu for each group, and using a custom script, have the preferences applied to each group of users. Once applied, you could use Linux permissions to lock down those files so that users' can't change/delete them. /etc/skel, like someone else mentioned, will come in handy for the above, and generally other preferences. To lockdown/control the look of the Gnome desktop, Sabayon is where you should start. It lets you customize the desktop graphically (like you would for one user, for example), while it writes out the gconf keys. You then save the profile, pick the user(s) you want to apply it to, and you're done. BTW, Sabayon is in its infancy. It's not a bug ridden crash fest - it's just not very full featured yet. It will likely become the defacto Gnome desktop management/deployment app, but that's not for a while yet. In any case, you have a lot of reading to do on Gnome administration. Actually, if you're a Linux newbie, you have a lot of reading to do, period. Though, this shouldn't be too hard since you have managed to get a small thin client system up and running. Good start! > 2) What are other schools using for URL filtering and Surf Control to > keep students from "stumbling" across Porn Sites or any other topic > deemed "inappropriate"? Lots of options, I'm sure. :) Really though, there are many options. Just google for it (I'm not very familiar with this side of F/OSS, so I can't help much more than that). Any questions, just ask. I have a little experience in this area... :) Regards, Ranbir -- Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu Linux 2.6.17-1.2141_FC4 i686 GNU/Linux 17:49:03 up 1 day, 18:29, 3 users, load average: 0.18, 0.33, 0.26 From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Thu Jul 13 22:32:24 2006 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:32:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] More detailed instructions & documentation needed for K12LTSP implementation In-Reply-To: <44B6B78D.5050904@maltzen.net> References: <44B6B78D.5050904@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44B6C9F8.3050709@earthlink.net> >> >> >> 2) What are other schools using for URL filtering and Surf Control to >> keep students from "stumbling" across Porn Sites or any other topic >> deemed "inappropriate"? SquidGuard http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/WebFiltering Rita Gibson RMSELTech From robark at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 22:41:57 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:41:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] More detailed instructions & documentation needed for K12LTSP implementation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7/13/06, Roj Jer wrote: > Words from yet another newbie... please be patient. > > Career Microsoft folks (like myself) wanting to move from the Microsoft > community to the Open Source Linux community face enormous challenges when > first arriving in the neighborhood. We don't understand the "lingo" or even > where to go to find anything that looks vaguely familiar. > > I have been recruited to help design and implement a computer lab for a > neighborhood private school (K-12). The largest factor was $$COST$$. They > have a big need and a small budget. They've received a donation of 30+ > 100Mhz Pentium PC's with 64Mb Ram, 1GB Hard Disk, and 10/100 Nics. The cost > of implementing new "Dell's" was around $15,000... (way over budget). What > is the budget? The least expensive method possible. So, my research has > begun. I thought about Citrix on a Microsoft Server, but there were all of > the licensing $$COST$$. So, I considered researching Open Source solutions. > > I got super pumped when I Googled "Open Source Linux Terminal Server" and > the 2nd item was titled, "K12 Linux in Schools Project". I read all of the > "Testimonials" and "Case Studies" and determined that this was a perfect > match. > > I downloaded the K12LTSP 4.4.1 - Install CD-ROMs and commenced to installing > it on a donated 1.4GHz AMD PC with 4GB of RAM. I emulated an Ethernet A single 1.4GHz AMD will probably be okay upto 10 clients. For 30 clients you will need a dual core Athlon X2 or Pentium D to really fly. But your 4GB of ram is super. > bootrom on the client PC's by booting from a floppy disk created from the > http://www.Rom-O-Matic.net site. Within an hour after having the K12LTSP > server online, I had 3 of the 100MHz Pentium PC's connected and working. > > Super! Great! But that seems to be where the Magic ends. The magic has just begun. > > And now the point! > > In the Windows world it is easy to configure the "All Users" Start Menu > (C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu), or customize a Start Menu > for a particular user. You can customize the Default User environment (local > machine) as a template for subsequent new users. > When incorporating Citrix into the Mix, you can install software on the > Citrix server and "Publish" the application for a particular user or group. > > My questions: > > 1) How / Where do you configure K12LTSP to segregate "Teachers" from > "Students", "3rd Grade" from "12th Grade", so that each "group" gets the > appropriate desktop and program menu respective to their roles in the > school? A 3rd Grader does not need the same applications, shortcuts, etc as > a 12th Grader. > use iceWM. You can configure it easily. See the file /usr/share/icewm/menu See the docs here http://icewm.org/manual/icewm-12.html to edit the file. As for different groups having different menus. There is a hackish way of doing it. type this stuff in a console terminal. whereis firefox you will see it's located at /usr/bin/firefox ls -l /usr/bin/firefox shows the permissions -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4768 Apr 14 13:36 /usr/bin/firefox read up on unix file permissions off google. But basically you can create a new group called firefox with the program system-config-users now change the group of the program to the newly created firefox group chgrp firefox /usr/bin/firefox so now ls above gives -rwxr-xr-x 1 root firefox 4768 Apr 14 13:36 /usr/bin/firefox now change the permissions from 755 to chmod 754 /usr/bin/firefox -rwxr-xr-- so only the owner (root) or members of the group firefox can launch it. Others cannot and it won't even show up in their icewm menu since it's not an executable for them. Now just add the firefox group to all the users who you want access to the program with system-config-users. Welcome to the wonderful and completely customizable world of Linux. Remember a text editor is the only tool you really need. Kind of like a light saber for Jedi Knights. Works in all situations. True Jedi Masters use vim. I would recommend nano to start. The first time I used vim I had to reboot cause I couldn't exit. :) -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 13 23:21:33 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:21:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #1 Message-ID: <44B6D57D.4020303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> K12LTSP 5.0.0 release candidate #1 has been uploaded. This includes today's LTSP CVS + the K12LTSP keymap fix. Jim tells me that LTSP 4.2 update 3 is about ready. If there are any additional updates to LTSP before update 3 is officially released, we'll add them into RC2. Please give this build a very thorough test and report any and all issues that you see. The repositories have been updated, if you have an earlier beta installed you can simply run "yum update". Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . -Eric From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 01:00:41 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] More detailed instructions & documentation needed for K12LTSP implementation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060714010041.52633.qmail@web31609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> At our school, we're using a Linux distribution called CensorNet (www.censornet.com) to handle web filtering. Behind the scenes it uses Dansguardian for filtering and Squid for web caching, with user authentication (everyone uses their own username & password to access the Internet). It provides a web-based interface for configuration and reports. We've been using it for two years now. David Whitmer Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Fri Jul 14 01:48:32 2006 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:48:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Open-Xchange In-Reply-To: <824a5f7a0607131001m6e801d77ya03abfc5025f2e86@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060713161210.c914784c@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> <44B67A72.8080604@maltzen.net> <824a5f7a0607131001m6e801d77ya03abfc5025f2e86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44B6F7F0.1080707@rogueriver.k12.or.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 We're using Zimbra here, too. I moved to it from a somewhat shaky exim/postfix setup midyear, partly in response to user demand for free-busy scheduling etc. So far, my experience has been mixed. First off, they really, REALLY prefer RHEL as the base distro, although they're also supporting SLES. Personally, I'd greatly prefer a Debian version with vendor support, but c'est la vie. I'd agree with Calvin that you want to dedicate a machine to it, or as in our case give it a fairly beefy vmware partition. Once running, it's pretty nice - uses our existing LDAP server for auth, and the ajax-y features are actually pretty slick, although they load considerably slower than, say, squirrelmail. Shared folder/calendar access via Outlook plugin comes this summer supposedly - a feature which sadly is needed to gain more heavy usage amongst the people with initials after their names. I'm looking forward to training staff on that before school starts this fall. All in all, I'd give it a qualified thumbs-up. Plusses are: school district discounts, powerful and easy-to-use administrative tools, excellent web client, decent spam filtering, all built on open-source software, and very good tech support. Minuses: too redhatty, slower web client, and Outlook integration isn't quite done. Hope that helps, Mike Calvin Dodge wrote: > On 7/13/06, Petre Scheie wrote: >> Another one you might look at is Zimbra, www.zimbra.com. It's all >> browser-based, with a >> lot of AJAX so that it seems similar to working with dedicated mail >> clients. They have >> a free open source version. The advantage of Open-Xchange is that it >> works with > > The business I work for has been using the open source version for > some months now. It seems to work fine for us - using AJAX to mimic > some of the functionality of Outlook (scheduling, address book, etc>) > It recognizes and responds to Outlook schedule requests, putting > accepted requests in the calendar. > > If you decide to use Zimbra, be sure to use a sufficiently powerful > system (I'd suggest at least 1 GHz and 512 megs of RAM, since my first > test system (400 MHz) was unbearably slow). > > It's simplest to dedicate a machine to Zimbra, since it occupies mail > and web ports (for the web-based access), so don't plan to add it to > an existing web server (it CAN be done, but you're really better off > with a dedicated Zimbra server. > > Feel free to email me off-list if you have any other questions about > Zimbra. > > Calvin Dodge > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEtvfvYXIOwBkZEFQRAiyHAJ4zXm0lPaxMuTA2EjsrAA1M/26rtwCeJXzk Yf/vF8R94y+0ow6M/iIpfhY= =52by -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jul 14 01:52:37 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:52:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer now supports full replication, PDC/BDC In-Reply-To: <20060713092650.GD14269@majen.net> References: <20060712221515.184D8733A8@hormel.redhat.com> <20060713092650.GD14269@majen.net> Message-ID: I gotta' tell you guys that Matt and I spent 3 hours on the phone the other night and into the wee hours of the morning (thank God for cell phones with headsets). We fired up VMware and created a couple VM's of Ubuntu Server and Ubuntu Desktop (both Dapper). Matt then proceeded to show me the replication set up. It's so simple it's silly. What's extremely cool is that now setting up additional replicating Samba/LDAP servers (or BDC's for you Windows folks) is a breeze. Now you can have failover assurance. I'll really work up some good documentation complete with screenshots...and maybe a movie or two as soon as NELS UNH wraps up and I get a little vacation time with the family. (VMware is going to be awesome for doing documentation) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jul 14 02:04:57 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:04:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA vs. SCSI....buying a new server Message-ID: Scenario: I'm going to buy a new server (another one...I collect them :-) Not entirely sure what it'll be used for yet, but I'd like it to be either a Samba/LDAP server OR a Windows Terminal Server (which we'll access via rdesktop in Linux....we've been doing that for a few years now). My current Windows Term server is getting old....it's a dual PIII...with 3 gb RAM...and it made some serious smoke at NELS last year when one of the power supplies started to bake ;-) Anyway....I have my quotes for the following: dual Xeon 2.8 ghz 2 gb RAM 2 SCSI 36 gb 15,000 rpm drives dual gigabit....etc The other one is dual Xeon 2. 8 ghz 4 gb RAM 2 SATA 120gb 7200 rpm drives dual gigabit...etc. Same chassis...etc. Only diff is SATA vs. SCSI and price (which allows more RAM on the SATA machine). I've had SCSI drives all along....with the exception of some Macs....I have little experience with SATA. The price difference is about $250-$300 between the SCSI system (more) and the SATA system (less)....the chassis, power supplies....etc. are all the same between the two. Disk space is not that big of an issue....I've been using 36 gb SCSI drives all along. My staff and students primarily store test files, bookmarks, images, and presentations. Very little multimedia like music...etc. The older kids all have laptops so they use those for the multi-media stuff (This is Maine...all the older kids have iBooks). Please weigh in with your opinions on SATA vs. SCSI....performance....trade-offs...etc. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Jul 14 02:47:17 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:17:17 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA vs. SCSI....buying a new server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <774593a20607131947j132d7eb3o450bbbfbf0298b56@mail.gmail.com> On 14/07/06, David Trask wrote: > dual Xeon 2.8 ghz > 2 gb RAM > 2 SCSI 36 gb 15,000 rpm drives > dual gigabit....etc > > The other one is > > dual Xeon 2. 8 ghz > 4 gb RAM > 2 SATA 120gb 7200 rpm drives > dual gigabit...etc. > Presumptious.... but why not try Dual-AMD64-Dual core? I am impressed with AMD recent chips and pricing. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From ericbrow at gmail.com Fri Jul 14 04:27:06 2006 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:27:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA vs. SCSI....buying a new server In-Reply-To: <774593a20607131947j132d7eb3o450bbbfbf0298b56@mail.gmail.com> References: <774593a20607131947j132d7eb3o450bbbfbf0298b56@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello David, At this year's North Central Linux Symposium (just had to get that plug in), Chris Hertel (formerly of the Samba project) discussed storage. He has researched more aspects of this issue than I ever thought possible. His short answer to your question is that SCSI is superior in many ways (physical components, firmware). His explanation, SCSI is made to run 24/7/365. SATA was created for the average home user, and is expected to run on average about 8 hours a day. With that said, it also stands to reason that, with the cost savings and size difference you can get with SATA, that if you decide to go that route, you do so with redundancy and failure recovery in mind. I'm not how much of this was in his presentation. He was kind enough to answer all kinds of my storage questions after his presentation. You can find a copy of it at: http://www.nclinux.net/cgi-bin/webgenie.cgi?button=97 Hope this helps. Eric Brown On 7/13/06, Sudev Barar wrote: > On 14/07/06, David Trask wrote: > > dual Xeon 2.8 ghz > > 2 gb RAM > > 2 SCSI 36 gb 15,000 rpm drives > > dual gigabit....etc > > > > The other one is > > > > dual Xeon 2. 8 ghz > > 4 gb RAM > > 2 SATA 120gb 7200 rpm drives > > dual gigabit...etc. > > > > Presumptious.... but why not try Dual-AMD64-Dual core? I am impressed > with AMD recent chips and pricing. > -- > Regards, > Sudev Barar > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Fri Jul 14 13:10:10 2006 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (James P Schwankl) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:10:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT - Open-Xchange Message-ID: <20060714131010.aed314ec@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> I wrote: > Hey all, > > Anyone have any experience with Open x-change? Anyone using it. > > http://www.open-xchange.com/EN/ > > If so, any words of wisdom? Heard anything about it? Petre and Calvin, We looked at and really liked Zimbra, but we needed the PDA sync stuff so were going to have to go with the for pay version. But our lack of capable clients is what killed it for us. Our testing said that it definitely needed a 1 Ghz 512RAM or better and we have teachers whose best machines are 400 Mhz G3, so no go on that account. I'm also going to look at ClarkConnect v4 which is bundling Kolab and Hoarde as a groupware solution. Mark, Thanks for the citadel suggestion, I'll look into it. Peace, Jimmy +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ****This Message was sent through the Chatham County Schools E-Mail Server**** All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Jul 14 13:17:17 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 06:17:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT - Open-Xchange Message-ID: <20060714061717.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.fe8d406e23.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Jimmy, Have you looked at eGroupware? It has many of the features that you are looking for and has a nice Trouble Ticket system. www.egroupware.org Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us "try to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are" > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT - Open-Xchange > From: James P Schwankl > Date: Fri, July 14, 2006 8:10 am > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > I wrote: > > > Hey all, > > > > Anyone have any experience with Open x-change? Anyone using it. > > > > http://www.open-xchange.com/EN/ > > > > If so, any words of wisdom? Heard anything about it? > > Petre and Calvin, > > We looked at and really liked Zimbra, but we needed the PDA sync stuff so were going to have to go with the for pay version. But our lack of capable clients is what killed it for us. Our testing said that it definitely needed a 1 Ghz 512RAM or better and we have teachers whose best machines are 400 Mhz G3, so no go on that account. > > I'm also going to look at ClarkConnect v4 which is bundling Kolab and Hoarde as a groupware solution. > > Mark, Thanks for the citadel suggestion, I'll look into it. > > > Peace, > Jimmy > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then. > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ****This Message was sent through the Chatham County Schools E-Mail Server**** > > All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the > North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and > disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dmann65261 at aol.com Fri Jul 14 14:21:26 2006 From: dmann65261 at aol.com (dmann65261 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:21:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT - Open-Xchange In-Reply-To: <20060714131010.aed314ec@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> References: <20060714131010.aed314ec@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <8C87567ED13C7C6-1DBC-31A5@FWM-R05.sysops.aol.com> Yes, I do. I use it at my school now. It is pretty good. What do you need to know? -----Original Message----- From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us To: k12osn at redhat.com Sent: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 9:10 AM Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT - Open-Xchange I wrote: > Hey all, > > Anyone have any experience with Open x-change? Anyone using it. > > http://www.open-xchange.com/EN/ > > If so, any words of wisdom? Heard anything about it? Petre and Calvin, We looked at and really liked Zimbra, but we needed the PDA sync stuff so were going to have to go with the for pay version. But our lack of capable clients is what killed it for us. Our testing said that it definitely needed a 1 Ghz 512RAM or better and we have teachers whose best machines are 400 Mhz G3, so no go on that account. I'm also going to look at ClarkConnect v4 which is bundling Kolab and Hoarde as a groupware solution. Mark, Thanks for the citadel suggestion, I'll look into it. 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URL: From guess.who at freesurf.fr Fri Jul 14 15:04:19 2006 From: guess.who at freesurf.fr (LarryT) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:04:19 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #1 In-Reply-To: <44B6D57D.4020303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44B6D57D.4020303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44B7B273.70506@freesurf.fr> hi there :) Few days ago i have download and install the k12ltsp 5 beta 11. Using english as default language but french keyboard. At logon the keyboard is english :(, after login, i have french keyboard. After the update i still have the same problem. How come ? What may i try to have default french keyboard even at logon ? thx Larry "Computers are like air conditioners - They stop working properly when you open Windows !" Eric Harrison wrote: > K12LTSP 5.0.0 release candidate #1 has been uploaded. > > This includes today's LTSP CVS + the K12LTSP keymap fix. Jim tells me > that LTSP 4.2 update 3 is about ready. If there are any additional > updates to LTSP before update 3 is officially released, we'll add them > into RC2. > > Please give this build a very thorough test and report any and all > issues that you see. > > > > The repositories have been updated, if you have an earlier beta > installed you can simply run "yum update". > > > Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . > > Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From m3freak at rogers.com Fri Jul 14 16:33:07 2006 From: m3freak at rogers.com (Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:33:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA vs. SCSI....buying a new server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1152894788.27533.34.camel@krs> On Thu, 2006-13-07 at 22:04 -0400, David Trask wrote: > Please weigh in with your opinions on SATA vs. > SCSI....performance....trade-offs...etc. I personally would never put SATA drives in a Linux X server. 10K+ RPM SCSI only. Actually, I would be hard pressed to use SATA drives in anything except in a desktop or perhaps in a small external storage array. Regards, Ranbir -- Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu Linux 2.6.17-1.2141_FC4 i686 GNU/Linux 12:30:07 up 2 days, 13:10, 3 users, load average: 1.63, 0.68, 0.53 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jul 14 17:00:41 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:00:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA vs. SCSI....buying a new server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060714165539.M99409@winonacotter.org> > Please weigh in with your opinions on SATA vs. > SCSI....performance....trade-offs...etc. I still say for mission critical servers that require high uptime, or machines that have heavy write usage, go SCSI. If your budget doesn't permit, or if uptime and write speeds aren't as important, then use SATA. I started switching to SATA for a while on servers, and without actual data, I could swear the the machines just seemed slower. I have installed a few servers such as what you are looking at with the only difference being one budget allowed for SCSI, the other forced SATA. Same RAID config, RAM, Procs, etc. And the SCSI is hands down faster, how much, I don't have data for. And as Eric B mentioned, after Chris Hertel's presentation at NCLS, I am more than ever convinced there are reasons SCSI devices cost so much more. My vote is for SCSI. Easy to add the extra RAM later, but it sucks to scrap a SATA array and buy a SCSI becuase the server wasn't fast enough. I just did that on a server at our school, no fun. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From michael_picone at gbsd.gresham.k12.or.us Fri Jul 14 17:48:52 2006 From: michael_picone at gbsd.gresham.k12.or.us (Michael Picone) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:48:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] TESA Session Problem Message-ID: Hey All, I have installed Eric Harrison's "TESA" session on my Linux servers. I am using either Fedora Core 4 (K12LTSP flavor) or CentOS 4.3. The problem is on some of them it works fine and on others when you select the "TESA" session and log in it will just give you a screen with a dark blue backround and your mouse arrow and that's it (it just hangs there). It will give you the short hourglass icon, just like it does when it is going to work, but then just sits there blank with the mouse arrow. I haven't looked into it in depth yet so I just thought I'd ask everyone here first in case there is an easy fix for it. Thanks, Mike Picone District Technician - Linux Support Computer/Network Technician Gresham-Barlow School District -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jul 14 17:58:47 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:58:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] TESA Session Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44B7DB57.6000908@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Michael Picone wrote: > Hey All, > I have installed Eric Harrison's "TESA" session on my Linux servers. > I am using either Fedora Core 4 (K12LTSP flavor) or CentOS 4.3. The > problem is on some of them it works fine and on others when you > select the "TESA" session and log in it will just give you a > screen with a dark blue backround and your mouse arrow and that's > it (it just hangs there). It will give you the short hourglass icon, > just like it does when it is going to work, but then just sits there > blank with the mouse arrow. I haven't looked into it in depth yet so > I just thought I'd ask everyone here first in case there is an > easy fix for it. Make sure that you have the dependencies installed: wget openmotif firefox or mozilla >From your description, it sounds like openmotif is not installed: yum install openmotif -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jul 14 18:11:27 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:11:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #1 In-Reply-To: <44B7B273.70506@freesurf.fr> References: <44B6D57D.4020303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44B7B273.70506@freesurf.fr> Message-ID: <44B7DE4F.9050607@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> First, did you reboot your terminal after the upgrade? That is required for the keymapings to work correctly. I use the default US keyboard, hopefully someone more experienced will give more useful information... as far as I know you only need to edit /opt/ltsp/i386/lts.conf and set key board type, such as: XkbLayout = "fr" -Eric LarryT wrote: > hi there :) > Few days ago i have download and install the k12ltsp 5 beta 11. > Using english as default language but french keyboard. > At logon the keyboard is english :(, after login, i have french keyboard. > After the update i still have the same problem. > How come ? What may i try to have default french keyboard even at logon ? > thx > > Larry > "Computers are like air conditioners - They stop working properly when > you open Windows !" > > > Eric Harrison wrote: >> K12LTSP 5.0.0 release candidate #1 has been uploaded. >> >> This includes today's LTSP CVS + the K12LTSP keymap fix. Jim tells me >> that LTSP 4.2 update 3 is about ready. If there are any additional >> updates to LTSP before update 3 is officially released, we'll add them >> into RC2. >> From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Fri Jul 14 18:24:47 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:24:47 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] New Server Message-ID: I have just received the following advertisement and wondered what everyone thinks about this as a K12LTSP server for about 30 clients. I don;t know much about servers. What is the x235 like? A. Ex-lease IBM xSeries x235 Server Xeron 2.0GHz 1024MB ECC DDR Ram ServeRAID 5i 3 x 34.6GB 10k SCSI's Onboard Gigabit Dual PSU's http://www.syscomm.co.uk/documents/ibm/x235_datasheet.pdf Price:$ NZ 850.00 + gst = $US 525 Plus extra 1GB RAM $ NZ 180 +gst = $US 110 TOTAL: $ NZ 1030 + gst = $US 635 I was also considering this option: B. Brand New Intel Pentium D Dual Core 805 2.66GHz 2X1MB 533MHz FSB LGA775 Asus P5LD2 Intel 945P LGA775 ATX 1066FSB Pentium D DDR2 2 GB DDR2 533Mhz ram Seagate BARRACUDA 7200.9 160GB NCQ SATA2 3.5LP 2MB 11MS 7200rpm Cost =$NZ 954 + gst = $590 US C. We are currently have 2x AMD 2500XP with 2 GB RAM and 120MB SATA HD + gigalan in desktop tower cases. We are using one of them as K12LTSP server. If I got a new server I would use the current machines as 1. smldap /home server and 2. backuppc server. I would also run Windows on VMware server on one of them to cater for a few legacy apps. Or are these 2 machines adequate. i.e. 1. K12ltsp server 2. VMware Windows + backuppc I tend to favour A the exLease IBM because it is designed as a server so should be more reliable etc. The SCSI drives should give a good performance boost I have been told. It also sounds like a good base to build from. It has room for expansion in RAM, HD, another CPU etc. What do the experts think about these options? From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Fri Jul 14 18:45:39 2006 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:45:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200607141445.39821.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Friday July 14 2006 2:24 pm, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > I have just received the following advertisement and wondered what > everyone thinks about this as a K12LTSP server for about 30 > clients. I don;t know much about servers. What is the x235 like? > > A. Ex-lease > IBM xSeries x235 Server > Xeron 2.0GHz > 1024MB ECC DDR Ram > ServeRAID 5i > 3 x 34.6GB 10k SCSI's > Onboard Gigabit > Dual PSU's > http://www.syscomm.co.uk/documents/ibm/x235_datasheet.pdf > > Price:$ NZ 850.00 + gst = $US 525 > Plus extra 1GB RAM > $ NZ 180 +gst = $US 110 > > TOTAL: $ NZ 1030 + gst = $US 635 > > I was also considering this option: > B. Brand New > Intel Pentium D Dual Core 805 2.66GHz 2X1MB 533MHz FSB LGA775 > Asus P5LD2 Intel 945P LGA775 ATX 1066FSB Pentium D DDR2 > 2 GB DDR2 533Mhz ram > Seagate BARRACUDA 7200.9 160GB NCQ SATA2 3.5LP 2MB 11MS 7200rpm > Cost =$NZ 954 + gst = $590 US > > C. We are currently have 2x AMD 2500XP with 2 GB RAM and 120MB SATA > HD + gigalan in desktop tower cases. We are using one of them as > K12LTSP server. If I got a new server I would use the current > machines as 1. smldap /home server and 2. backuppc server. I would > also run Windows on VMware server on one of them to cater for a few > legacy apps. Or are these 2 machines adequate. i.e. 1. K12ltsp > server 2. VMware Windows + backuppc > > I tend to favour A the exLease IBM because it is designed as a > server so should be more reliable etc. The SCSI drives should give > a good performance boost I have been told. It also sounds like a > good base to build from. It has room for expansion in RAM, HD, > another CPU etc. > > What do the experts think about these options? > I have this exact server! It acts as a very busy Web server. I can say that it's been rock-solid. However (and this might be a small however, depending), if you're familiar with Dell servers, the IBM xSeries 235 is a quite different in terms of management. I find, for example, updating Dell server drivers, firmware, etc. trivial. The same tasks on the IBM are more difficult. Not because of the hardware, but because of the driver, firmware, etc. installation process. The internals of the IBM are pretty different, too. That said, I do find IBM's documentation quite good (be sure the system comes with all of the documentation!). Great price, too! HTH Dimitri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From robert.pogson at gmail.com Fri Jul 14 19:03:37 2006 From: robert.pogson at gmail.com (pogson) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:03:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SATA vs. SCSI....buying a new server In-Reply-To: <20060714160020.8F889734BE@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060714160020.8F889734BE@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1152903817.6521.87.camel@beast> I don't do Windows if I can help it, but with Linux you save big time using RAM to cache files and SATA to serve them. I am planning to put three of these folks in my /home and http server in my system. I can use RAID 1 to permit serving three files at once, and RAID 1 over network ,drbd, to use two servers in a HA cluster and the price of each drive is $CDN 163. I do not need speed as the /home files are fairly low write rate and random reads. With 2gb to cache stuff, the frequently needed stuff will come from RAM. I will have 150 users on /home and about 60 on http. My old system had about 30 users and the drive light rarely flashed. My servers will work them harder than a home PC, but not much because the http will be mostly to the same region of disc (Moodle) and a user might save a few times in an hour. With MTBF of 600000h, I can afford a few in a RAID array. http://www.samsung.com/ "SAMSUNG HD401LJ SpinPoint T Series T133 Series" Specifications Drive Configuration Interface Serial ATA 3.0 Buffer DRAM Size+2 16 Mbytes Bytes per Sector 512 Performance Specification Read Seek Time(typical) Track to Track 0.8 ms Average 8.9 ms Full Stroke 18 ms Average Latency 4.17 ms Rotational Speed 7,200 rpm Data Transfer Rate Media to/from Buffer (max.) 400/1000 Mbits/sec Buffer to/from Host(max.) 300 MB/sec Drive Ready Time(typical) 10 sec Reliability Specification Non-recoverable Read Error 1 sector in 1014 bits MTBF 600,000 POH<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Jul 14 19:31:32 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:31:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap on fresh install -- similar problem Message-ID: <9bd317560607141231j5db3537as8e308476597820bf@mail.gmail.com> Hey guys, so here's what's going on with this fresh install. I think I may have found a clue to a problem. [root at ascldap samba]# /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 525 students [root at ascldap samba]# /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 526 teachers /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupadd: group ?a exists [root at ascldap samba]# net groupmap list Domain Admins (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-512) -> Domain Admins Domain Users (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-513) -> Domain Users Domain Guests (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-514) -> Domain Guests Domain Computers (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-515) -> Domain Computers Administrators (S-1-5-32-544) -> Administrators Account Operators (S-1-5-32-548) -> Account Operators Print Operators (S-1-5-32-550) -> Print Operators Backup Operators (S-1-5-32-551) -> Backup Operators Replicators (S-1-5-32-552) -> Replicators Is it trying to say that in the first command that I created a groupe name "-a" ? I've tried smbldap-userdel -a and "-a" but it says unknown option. For the record I don't have guid 526 already. Once again getent group shows this mysterious group named \E2\80\93a:x:10000: for the user that I just created with smbldap-useradd. excerpt------- admin4:x:500: Domain Admins:x:512:root Domain Users:x:513:test9 Domain Guests:x:514: Domain Computers:x:515: Administrators:x:544: Account Operators:x:548: Print Operators:x:550: Backup Operators:x:551: Replicators:x:552: \E2\80\93a:x:10000: Intuition is telling me that my smbldap-tools are messed up but I'm not sure to check that. I posted the results of the tests at test.ascensionschoolnyc.org/ldap. What the heck going on? I swear I did a COMPLETE format. Thanks, Peter From mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi Fri Jul 14 19:35:10 2006 From: mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:35:10 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #1 In-Reply-To: <44B7DE4F.9050607@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44B6D57D.4020303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44B7B273.70506@freesurf.fr> <44B7DE4F.9050607@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060714223510.1p27d62l2u8ko8g8@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> Hi,< I had the same problem and it was solved with the update. I have these lines in lts.conf: nd in lts.conf I have this: # Keyboards XkbSymbols = "fi(pc101)" XkbModel = "pc101" XkbLayout = "fi" Nothing else is needed. I have Finnish as default language. - mikkoj Lainaus Eric Harrison : > > First, did you reboot your terminal after the upgrade? That is required > for the keymapings to work correctly. > > I use the default US keyboard, hopefully someone more experienced will > give more useful information... as far as I know you only need to edit > /opt/ltsp/i386/lts.conf and set key board type, such as: > > XkbLayout = "fr" > > -Eric > > LarryT wrote: >> hi there :) >> Few days ago i have download and install the k12ltsp 5 beta 11. >> Using english as default language but french keyboard. >> At logon the keyboard is english :(, after login, i have french keyboard. >> After the update i still have the same problem. >> How come ? What may i try to have default french keyboard even at logon ? >> thx >> >> Larry >> "Computers are like air conditioners - They stop working properly when >> you open Windows !" >> >> >> Eric Harrison wrote: >>> K12LTSP 5.0.0 release candidate #1 has been uploaded. >>> >>> This includes today's LTSP CVS + the K12LTSP keymap fix. Jim tells me >>> that LTSP 4.2 update 3 is about ready. If there are any additional >>> updates to LTSP before update 3 is officially released, we'll add them >>> into RC2. >>> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From guess.who at freesurf.fr Fri Jul 14 19:51:28 2006 From: guess.who at freesurf.fr (LarryT) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:51:28 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #1 In-Reply-To: <20060714223510.1p27d62l2u8ko8g8@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> References: <44B6D57D.4020303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44B7B273.70506@freesurf.fr> <44B7DE4F.9050607@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060714223510.1p27d62l2u8ko8g8@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> Message-ID: <44B7F5C0.9070407@freesurf.fr> Thx ! I did exactly that, as Eric said, and it is okay. Exactly the same as you say, but fr and not fi ;) Larry "Computers are like air conditioners - They stop working properly when you open Windows !" Mikko Jordman wrote: > Hi,< I had the same problem and it was solved with the update. I have these > lines in lts.conf: > nd in lts.conf I have this: > > # Keyboards > XkbSymbols = "fi(pc101)" > XkbModel = "pc101" > XkbLayout = "fi" > > Nothing else is needed. I have Finnish as default language. > > - mikkoj > > > Lainaus Eric Harrison : > >> >> First, did you reboot your terminal after the upgrade? That is required >> for the keymapings to work correctly. >> >> I use the default US keyboard, hopefully someone more experienced will >> give more useful information... as far as I know you only need to edit >> /opt/ltsp/i386/lts.conf and set key board type, such as: >> >> XkbLayout = "fr" >> >> -Eric >> >> LarryT wrote: >> >>> hi there :) >>> Few days ago i have download and install the k12ltsp 5 beta 11. >>> Using english as default language but french keyboard. >>> At logon the keyboard is english :(, after login, i have french >>> keyboard. >>> After the update i still have the same problem. >>> How come ? What may i try to have default french keyboard even at >>> logon ? >>> thx >>> >>> Larry >>> "Computers are like air conditioners - They stop working properly when >>> you open Windows !" >>> >>> >>> Eric Harrison wrote: >>> >>>> K12LTSP 5.0.0 release candidate #1 has been uploaded. >>>> >>>> This includes today's LTSP CVS + the K12LTSP keymap fix. Jim tells me >>>> that LTSP 4.2 update 3 is about ready. If there are any additional >>>> updates to LTSP before update 3 is officially released, we'll add them >>>> into RC2. >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jul 14 21:00:33 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:00:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap on fresh install -- similar problem In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607141231j5db3537as8e308476597820bf@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560607141231j5db3537as8e308476597820bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: hmmm...worked fine for me....I did ./smbldap-groupadd -a -g 527 testusers Nonetheless...this time do this and report back (do it exactly like below) cd /opt/IDEALX/sbin ./smbldap-groupadd -a -g 525 students let me know what happen....may make no difference, but that's what I did...so let's eliminate from there. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Fri Jul 14 2006 at 15:31 +0000 wrote: >Hey guys, so here's what's going on with this fresh install. I think >I may have found a clue to a problem. > >[root at ascldap samba]# /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 525 students >[root at ascldap samba]# /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 526 teachers >/opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupadd: group ?a exists >[root at ascldap samba]# net groupmap list >Domain Admins (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-512) -> Domain Admins >Domain Users (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-513) -> Domain Users >Domain Guests (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-514) -> Domain Guests >Domain Computers (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-515) -> Domain >Computers >Administrators (S-1-5-32-544) -> Administrators >Account Operators (S-1-5-32-548) -> Account Operators >Print Operators (S-1-5-32-550) -> Print Operators >Backup Operators (S-1-5-32-551) -> Backup Operators >Replicators (S-1-5-32-552) -> Replicators > > >Is it trying to say that in the first command that I created a groupe >name "-a" ? I've tried smbldap-userdel -a and "-a" but it says >unknown option. For the record I don't have guid 526 already. > > >Once again getent group shows this mysterious group named >\E2\80\93a:x:10000: for the user that I just created with >smbldap-useradd. > > >excerpt------- > >admin4:x:500: >Domain Admins:x:512:root >Domain Users:x:513:test9 >Domain Guests:x:514: >Domain Computers:x:515: >Administrators:x:544: >Account Operators:x:548: >Print Operators:x:550: >Backup Operators:x:551: >Replicators:x:552: >\E2\80\93a:x:10000: > > >Intuition is telling me that my smbldap-tools are messed up but I'm >not sure to check that. > >I posted the results of the tests at test.ascensionschoolnyc.org/ldap. > >What the heck going on? I swear I did a COMPLETE format. > > >Thanks, >Peter > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Fri Jul 14 21:03:15 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:03:15 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap on fresh install -- similar problem In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560607141231j5db3537as8e308476597820bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I notice the the -a has a long - before the a. Might that have something to do with it? On 15/07/06, David Trask wrote: > hmmm...worked fine for me....I did > > ./smbldap-groupadd -a -g 527 testusers > > Nonetheless...this time do this and report back (do it exactly like below) > > cd /opt/IDEALX/sbin > ./smbldap-groupadd -a -g 525 students > > let me know what happen....may make no difference, but that's what I > did...so let's eliminate from there. > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Fri Jul 14 2006 at 15:31 +0000 wrote: > >Hey guys, so here's what's going on with this fresh install. I think > >I may have found a clue to a problem. > > > >[root at ascldap samba]# /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 525 students > >[root at ascldap samba]# /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 526 teachers > >/opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupadd: group ?a exists > >[root at ascldap samba]# net groupmap list > >Domain Admins (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-512) -> Domain Admins > >Domain Users (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-513) -> Domain Users > >Domain Guests (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-514) -> Domain Guests > >Domain Computers (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-515) -> Domain > >Computers > >Administrators (S-1-5-32-544) -> Administrators > >Account Operators (S-1-5-32-548) -> Account Operators > >Print Operators (S-1-5-32-550) -> Print Operators > >Backup Operators (S-1-5-32-551) -> Backup Operators > >Replicators (S-1-5-32-552) -> Replicators > > > > > >Is it trying to say that in the first command that I created a groupe > >name "-a" ? I've tried smbldap-userdel -a and "-a" but it says > >unknown option. For the record I don't have guid 526 already. > > > > > >Once again getent group shows this mysterious group named > >\E2\80\93a:x:10000: for the user that I just created with > >smbldap-useradd. > > > > > >excerpt------- > > > >admin4:x:500: > >Domain Admins:x:512:root > >Domain Users:x:513:test9 > >Domain Guests:x:514: > >Domain Computers:x:515: > >Administrators:x:544: > >Account Operators:x:548: > >Print Operators:x:550: > >Backup Operators:x:551: > >Replicators:x:552: > >\E2\80\93a:x:10000: > > > > > >Intuition is telling me that my smbldap-tools are messed up but I'm > >not sure to check that. > > > >I posted the results of the tests at test.ascensionschoolnyc.org/ldap. > > > >What the heck going on? I swear I did a COMPLETE format. > > > > > >Thanks, > >Peter > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com From accessys at smart.net Fri Jul 14 21:05:06 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Accessys@smart.net) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #1 In-Reply-To: <44B7F5C0.9070407@freesurf.fr> References: <44B6D57D.4020303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44B7B273.70506@freesurf.fr> <44B7DE4F.9050607@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060714223510.1p27d62l2u8ko8g8@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> <44B7F5C0.9070407@freesurf.fr> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, LarryT wrote: > I did exactly that, as Eric said, and it is okay. Exactly the same as > you say, but fr and not fi ;) > Larry > "Computers are like air conditioners - They stop working properly when > you open Windows !" in a world without walls, who needs windows or gates Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ NO response will ever be given to anyone using earthlink.net +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From caldodge at gmail.com Fri Jul 14 21:48:41 2006 From: caldodge at gmail.com (Calvin Dodge) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:48:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SATA vs. SCSI....buying a new server In-Reply-To: <1152903817.6521.87.camel@beast> References: <20060714160020.8F889734BE@hormel.redhat.com> <1152903817.6521.87.camel@beast> Message-ID: <824a5f7a0607141448g9940521k9aa53ac65a5fcc8b@mail.gmail.com> On 7/14/06, pogson wrote: > > I don't do Windows if I can help it, but with Linux you save big time > using RAM to cache files and SATA to serve them. I am planning to put three > of these folks in my /home and http server in my system. I can use RAID 1 to > permit serving three files at once, and RAID 1 over network ,drbd, to use > two servers in a HA cluster and the price of each drive is $CDN 163. I do > not need speed > > FWIW, if you want anecdotal SATA reliability info, my employer's hosting service (tummy.com) swears by Hitachi drives - Seagate is their second choice. Calvin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phanh at canby.k12.or.us Fri Jul 14 22:29:53 2006 From: phanh at canby.k12.or.us (Hung Phan) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:29:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] TESA session error Message-ID: <60CAE19E-0148-4703-BB1B-94876AB2CA57@canby.k12.or.us> Hi, all I had installed Eric's TESA session before and it worked, but we have problem with it on the new server. I'm using K12LTSP 4.4.1release (the same release). When I download the TESA, receive the error:chrome registration failed. When I login under TESA session, receive "/content/kiosk.xul cannot be found". The session just end there until i reset the system. Did "yum update openmotif" and "wget" but still get the problem. I'm new to this so any explaination/pointers are very appreciated. From cliebow at midmaine.com Fri Jul 14 23:39:39 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap on fresh install -- similar problem In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560607141231j5db3537as8e308476597820bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45500.70.33.151.214.1152920379.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Boy im glad i dont have to use smbldap-tools any longer..it is so much clearer what is going on without them....... > I notice the the -a has a long - before the a. Might that have > something to do with it? > > On 15/07/06, David Trask wrote: >> hmmm...worked fine for me....I did >> >> ./smbldap-groupadd -a -g 527 testusers >> >> Nonetheless...this time do this and report back (do it exactly like >> below) >> >> cd /opt/IDEALX/sbin >> ./smbldap-groupadd -a -g 525 students >> >> let me know what happen....may make no difference, but that's what I >> did...so let's eliminate from there. >> >> >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> on >> Fri Jul 14 2006 at 15:31 +0000 wrote: >> >Hey guys, so here's what's going on with this fresh install. I think >> >I may have found a clue to a problem. >> > >> >[root at ascldap samba]# /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 525 >> students >> >[root at ascldap samba]# /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 526 >> teachers >> >/opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupadd: group ?a exists >> >[root at ascldap samba]# net groupmap list >> >Domain Admins (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-512) -> Domain >> Admins >> >Domain Users (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-513) -> Domain Users >> >Domain Guests (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-514) -> Domain >> Guests >> >Domain Computers (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-515) -> Domain >> >Computers >> >Administrators (S-1-5-32-544) -> Administrators >> >Account Operators (S-1-5-32-548) -> Account Operators >> >Print Operators (S-1-5-32-550) -> Print Operators >> >Backup Operators (S-1-5-32-551) -> Backup Operators >> >Replicators (S-1-5-32-552) -> Replicators >> > >> > >> >Is it trying to say that in the first command that I created a groupe >> >name "-a" ? I've tried smbldap-userdel -a and "-a" but it says >> >unknown option. For the record I don't have guid 526 already. >> > >> > >> >Once again getent group shows this mysterious group named >> >\E2\80\93a:x:10000: for the user that I just created with >> >smbldap-useradd. >> > >> > >> >excerpt------- >> > >> >admin4:x:500: >> >Domain Admins:x:512:root >> >Domain Users:x:513:test9 >> >Domain Guests:x:514: >> >Domain Computers:x:515: >> >Administrators:x:544: >> >Account Operators:x:548: >> >Print Operators:x:550: >> >Backup Operators:x:551: >> >Replicators:x:552: >> >\E2\80\93a:x:10000: >> > >> > >> >Intuition is telling me that my smbldap-tools are messed up but I'm >> >not sure to check that. >> > >> >I posted the results of the tests at test.ascensionschoolnyc.org/ldap. >> > >> >What the heck going on? I swear I did a COMPLETE format. >> > >> > >> >Thanks, >> >Peter >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >K12OSN mailing list >> >K12OSN at redhat.com >> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >For more info see >> >> >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Director >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >> (207)923-3100 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > -- > Please note my new email address- > krsnendu108 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jul 14 23:55:29 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:55:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] TESA session error In-Reply-To: <60CAE19E-0148-4703-BB1B-94876AB2CA57@canby.k12.or.us> References: <60CAE19E-0148-4703-BB1B-94876AB2CA57@canby.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44B82EF1.1080607@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Hung Phan wrote: > Hi, all > > I had installed Eric's TESA session before and it worked, but we have > problem with it on the new server. I'm using K12LTSP 4.4.1release (the > same release). When I download the TESA, receive the error:chrome > registration failed. When I login under TESA session, receive > "/content/kiosk.xul cannot be found". Perhaps the download from TESA failed or was otherwise corrupted? Run the installer again, it won't hurt to run it more than once. > The session just end there until i reset the system. Ctrl-Alt-Backspace will do the trick as well. -Eric From robark at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 00:27:24 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:27:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Can you tell if client is i386 or PPC? Message-ID: I am just finishing Fl_TeacherTool 0.33. I need some help to figure out is there any way to discover if a certain client defined by hostname wsxxx.ltsp or it's ip is either i386 or PPC? Or maybe some env variable? -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Jul 15 00:58:55 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:58:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Does apt still work...or can it? For K12LTSP 5? Message-ID: Given the issues I'm having with yum (lot's of header not complete errors) is it possible for apt-get to work in K12LTSP 5? If so...what would the source list look like? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 01:25:18 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:25:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: screen command In-Reply-To: <1152825550.10248.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <9bd317560607131154h3c9c0b30x6344fdb952807deb@mail.gmail.com> <44B6A335.2010704@canterburyschool.org> <1152825550.10248.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560607141825w29d9d525j82fb54f2fe4954f6@mail.gmail.com> > You can enable vnc on the X console if you want to be able to grab the > session remotely for GUI apps too - but you need to adjust the screen > number or undo the session started automatically for screen 0 by the > k12ltsp setup. > > -- Les, you lost me there....but i think for gui stuff i'd just use NX. but that sounds pretty cool! what commands would you do with the adjusting screen # method? thanks, Peter On 7/13/06, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 15:47 -0400, Vern Ceder wrote: > > Ctrl-A then Escape. After that you can scroll up and back using PgUp and > > PgDn. > > > > This is in effect until you hit a time or two. > > > > Ain't it great to start a job, disconnect, and then reconnect to that > > screen later, even from a different login? Yeah... :) > > You can enable vnc on the X console if you want to be able to grab the > session remotely for GUI apps too - but you need to adjust the screen > number or undo the session started automatically for screen 0 by the > k12ltsp setup. > > -- > Les Mikesell > lesmikesell at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jul 15 01:41:24 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Can you tell if client is i386 or PPC? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I am just finishing Fl_TeacherTool 0.33. I need some help to figure > out is there any way to discover if a certain client defined by > hostname wsxxx.ltsp or it's ip is either i386 or PPC? > Or maybe some env variable? The only thing I can think of is the kernel version, the apples have "ppc" in the kernel name. This might work (untested)... ip=192.168.0.1 if [ "`/usr/bin/ltspinfo -h $ip -c KERNEL_VERSION | grep -i ppc`" ]; then echo "ppc" else echo "i386" fi -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jul 15 01:52:25 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Does apt still work...or can it? For K12LTSP 5? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, David Trask wrote: > Given the issues I'm having with yum (lot's of header not complete errors) > is it possible for apt-get to work in K12LTSP 5? If so...what would the > source list look like? apt does not work with K12LTSP 64bit installs (4.2.3EL-64 & 5.0.0-64). There are apt packages in Fedora Extras ("yum install apt":-), but they do not appear to include source lists. If there are source lists available, I don't know where to find them. "yum clean all" will clear any incomplete headers, etc. -Eric From robark at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 02:55:06 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:55:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Can you tell if client is i386 or PPC? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7/14/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > I am just finishing Fl_TeacherTool 0.33. I need some help to figure > > out is there any way to discover if a certain client defined by > > hostname wsxxx.ltsp or it's ip is either i386 or PPC? > > Or maybe some env variable? > > The only thing I can think of is the kernel version, the apples have > "ppc" in the kernel name. This might work (untested)... > > ip=192.168.0.1 > if [ "`/usr/bin/ltspinfo -h $ip -c KERNEL_VERSION | grep -i ppc`" ]; then > echo "ppc" > else > echo "i386" > fi Thanks Eric but I just remembered that you probably didn't build the Xvnc module for the PPC arch in the LBE. So it's really a moot point. I am just going to state a known limitation in my release notes that Monitor/Control will not work with PPC cpu clients. It fails gracefully on PPC clients, which is good. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Jul 15 04:53:04 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 00:53:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Does apt still work...or can it? For K12LTSP 5? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually I don't have 64 bit machines....can it work with non-64 bit versions? "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Fri Jul 14 2006 at 21:52 +0000 wrote: >apt does not work with K12LTSP 64bit installs (4.2.3EL-64 & 5.0.0-64). > >There are apt packages in Fedora Extras ("yum install apt":-), but they do >not appear to include source lists. If there are source lists available, >I don't know where to find them. > > >"yum clean all" will clear any incomplete headers, etc. > > >-Eric David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Jul 15 05:12:21 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 01:12:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] This is my yum error Message-ID: Eric, This is an example of the type of errors I get. I ran "yum clean all" and then tried to run "yum update"....this is what I got... [root at server ~]# yum update Loading "installonlyn" plugin Setting up Update Process Setting up repositories macromedia [1/6] macromedia 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 core [2/6] core 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 k12ltsp [3/6] k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 updates [4/6] updates 100% |=========================| 1.2 kB 00:00 webmin [5/6] webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 extras [6/6] extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 macromedia: ################################# 2/3Added 2 new packages, deleted 0 old in 0.11 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 767 kB 00:09 core : ################################################## 2207/2207 Added 2207 new packages, deleted 0 old in 13.21 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.2 MB 00:00 k12ltsp : ################################################## 3842/3842 Added 3842 new packages, deleted 0 old in 26.86 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 386 kB 00:04 updates : ################################################## 1080/1080 Added 1080 new packages, deleted 0 old in 8.55 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 webmin : ################################################## 3/3 Added 3 new packages, deleted 0 old in 0.08 seconds primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.2 MB 00:00 extras : ################################################## 4205/4205 Added 4205 new packages, deleted 0 old in 24.93 seconds Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Downloading header for bind-config to pack into transaction set. bind-config-9.3.2-20.FC5. 100% |=========================| 35 kB 00:00 ---> Package bind-config.i386 30:9.3.2-20.FC5 set to be updated ---> Downloading header for ltsp_i386 to pack into transaction set. ltsp_i386-4.2-2c.k12ltsp. 100% |=========================| 87 MB 10:02 http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/ltsp_i386-4.2-2c.k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm: [Errno -1] Header is not complete. Trying other mirror. Error: failure: i386/Fedora/RPMS/ltsp_i386-4.2-2c.k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. See the error? How can I get around this? I've gotten it on "some" other packages, but not all. Java would not install either...same error....I also had an issue with kdebase. some things install fine though...like webmin...and tuxpaint. I did the java stuff by hand. Any ideas? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From moquist at majen.net Sat Jul 15 05:12:57 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 01:12:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: smbldap on fresh install -- similar problem (cliebow@midmaine.com) In-Reply-To: <20060715044916.96E9A7341F@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060715044916.96E9A7341F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060715051256.GA20308@majen.net> > Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:39:39 -0400 (EDT) > From: cliebow at midmaine.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] smbldap on fresh install -- similar problem > Boy im glad i dont have to use smbldap-tools any longer..it is so much > clearer what is going on without them....... I agree. Could you share with the list some of the resources, tools, and methods that you're using now? Perhaps you've already been sharing these things (I don't read this religiously), but have you put a list of things together in a concise fashion so that somebody else could follow in your footsteps? --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jul 15 05:25:47 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] This is my yum error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Jul 2006, David Trask wrote: > Eric, > > This is an example of the type of errors I get. I ran "yum clean all" > and then tried to run "yum update"....this is what I got... > > [root at server ~]# yum update > Loading "installonlyn" plugin > Setting up Update Process > Setting up repositories > macromedia [1/6] > macromedia 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > core [2/6] > core 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > k12ltsp [3/6] > k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > updates [4/6] > updates 100% |=========================| 1.2 kB 00:00 > webmin [5/6] > webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > extras [6/6] > extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > Reading repository metadata in from local files > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > macromedia: ################################# 2/3Added 2 > new packages, deleted 0 old in 0.11 seconds > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 767 kB 00:09 > core : ################################################## 2207/2207 > Added 2207 new packages, deleted 0 old in 13.21 seconds > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.2 MB 00:00 > k12ltsp : ################################################## 3842/3842 > Added 3842 new packages, deleted 0 old in 26.86 seconds > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 386 kB 00:04 > updates : ################################################## 1080/1080 > Added 1080 new packages, deleted 0 old in 8.55 seconds > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > webmin : ################################################## 3/3 > Added 3 new packages, deleted 0 old in 0.08 seconds > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.2 MB 00:00 > extras : ################################################## 4205/4205 > Added 4205 new packages, deleted 0 old in 24.93 seconds > Resolving Dependencies > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Downloading header for bind-config to pack into transaction set. > bind-config-9.3.2-20.FC5. 100% |=========================| 35 kB 00:00 > ---> Package bind-config.i386 30:9.3.2-20.FC5 set to be updated > ---> Downloading header for ltsp_i386 to pack into transaction set. > ltsp_i386-4.2-2c.k12ltsp. 100% |=========================| 87 MB 10:02 > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/ltsp_i386-4.2-2c.k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm: > [Errno -1] Header is not complete. > Trying other mirror. > Error: failure: i386/Fedora/RPMS/ltsp_i386-4.2-2c.k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm > from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. > > > > See the error? How can I get around this? I've gotten it on "some" other > packages, but not all. Java would not install either...same error....I > also had an issue with kdebase. some things install fine though...like > webmin...and tuxpaint. I did the java stuff by hand. Any ideas? I'm guessing that the "bad headers" are cached in an upstream proxy server. Try adding the following line to the "[main]" section of /etc/yum.conf: http_caching=packages then clear out your local cache & try again... yum clean headers yum update -Eric From guess.who at freesurf.fr Sat Jul 15 04:54:55 2006 From: guess.who at freesurf.fr (LarryT) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 06:54:55 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] special question about K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #1 In-Reply-To: References: <44B6D57D.4020303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <44B7B273.70506@freesurf.fr> <44B7DE4F.9050607@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060714223510.1p27d62l2u8ko8g8@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> <44B7F5C0.9070407@freesurf.fr> Message-ID: <44B8751F.8010003@freesurf.fr> Hi all :) I would like to use k12ltsp 5 with FC5 : i mean i would like to connect my fc5 to the k12 server. One told me i hade to configure and export /home and compile ypserv, but i have absolutly no idea how to do this. The goal is to have the benefit of the network and server k12 on machines with hdd which is usefull for special works Adding one line in fstab (on FC5 pc) with nfs... (i CANT use only diskless stations). Is there some tutorial about those points, or does someone know how to do this ? thx Larry "Computers are like air conditioners - They stop working properly when you open Windows !" From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Jul 15 05:57:43 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 01:57:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool monitor and Control Message-ID: Hi! I'm setting up a server for NELS. I read the Install notes in /user/share/doc/fl_teachertool and did the things for enabling Monitor and Control. If I edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4.conf (not sure if that's the name of the file as I'm recalling from memory, but it was the right file) and put in the stuff you mention between the Section Screen and so forth....X on the client won't even start....if I revert to the original it's fine. I noticed that the original is VERY close to the changes you recommend. What is happening when I click on "monitor" or "control" I'm getting connection refused. What am I missing? I had it working fine with K12LTSP beta8....did something change with beta12 aka rc1? I also had it working with 4.41. What can I try to get this working....I'd like to demo it at NELS. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From robark at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 06:15:36 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:15:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Fl_TeacherTool monitor and Control In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7/14/06, David Trask wrote: > Hi! > I'm setting up a server for NELS. I read the Install notes in > /user/share/doc/fl_teachertool and did the things for enabling Monitor > and Control. If I edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4.conf (not sure if > that's the name of the file as I'm recalling from memory, but it was the > right file) and put in the stuff you mention between the Section Screen > and so forth....X on the client won't even start....if I revert to the > original it's fine. I noticed that the original is VERY close to the > changes you recommend. What is happening when I click on "monitor" or > "control" I'm getting connection refused. What am I missing? I had it Double check your mods with step #4 on my site. Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ I just sent Eric version 0.33. Here are the release notes. ====================== Fl_TeacherTool 0.33 released July 14, 2006 New Features: -Window title bar and taskbar text of VNC sessions for Monitor/Control now include name of user to allow easy identification of who is being monitored/controlled. -Can open more than one monitor vnc session at a time. -No longer need to manually type in vnc password for monitor/control Known limitation: Monitor/Control does not work on PPC clients ===================== > working fine with K12LTSP beta8....did something change with beta12 aka > rc1? I also had it working with 4.41. What can I try to get this > working....I'd like to demo it at NELS. > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From robark at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 06:23:36 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:23:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Fl_TeacherTool monitor and Control In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am just about to modify the install instructions on my site for k12ltsp 5.0. BTW David, the step on copying the vnc module to the /opt tree does not work with k12ltsp 5.0 but Eric built the module and the build patch is in the latest ltsp update, which k12ltsp rc1 should have. Basically it should all be easier with 5.0 On 7/14/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 7/14/06, David Trask wrote: > > Hi! > > I'm setting up a server for NELS. I read the Install notes in > > /user/share/doc/fl_teachertool and did the things for enabling Monitor > > and Control. If I edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4.conf (not sure if > > that's the name of the file as I'm recalling from memory, but it was the > > right file) and put in the stuff you mention between the Section Screen > > and so forth....X on the client won't even start....if I revert to the > > original it's fine. I noticed that the original is VERY close to the > > changes you recommend. What is happening when I click on "monitor" or > > "control" I'm getting connection refused. What am I missing? I had it > > Double check your mods with step #4 on my site. > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > > I just sent Eric version 0.33. Here are the release notes. > ====================== > Fl_TeacherTool 0.33 > released July 14, 2006 > > New Features: > > -Window title bar and taskbar text of VNC sessions for > Monitor/Control now include name of user to allow easy identification of > who is being monitored/controlled. > -Can open more than one monitor vnc session at a time. > -No longer need to manually type in vnc password for monitor/control > > Known limitation: Monitor/Control does not work on PPC clients > ===================== > > > > working fine with K12LTSP beta8....did something change with beta12 aka > > rc1? I also had it working with 4.41. What can I try to get this > > working....I'd like to demo it at NELS. > > > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Director > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > > (207)923-3100 > > > > > > > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Jul 15 06:32:37 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 02:32:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Fl_TeacherTool monitor and Control In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sat Jul 15 2006 at 02:15 +0000 wrote: >http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ going to try in just a second, but one thing I noticed.... cp /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/ vnc.so is already in that directory....and the first directory (source) does not exist David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jul 15 06:28:38 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Fl_TeacherTool monitor and Control In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I am just about to modify the install instructions on my site for > k12ltsp 5.0. BTW David, the step on copying the vnc module to the /opt > tree does not work with k12ltsp 5.0 but Eric built the module and the > build patch is in the latest ltsp update, which k12ltsp rc1 should > have. Basically it should all be easier with 5.0 For K12LTSP 5.0, all that is needed is: 1) enable the VNC module in lts.conf (I may set this to default on in RC2) 2) set the vnc password. There is no need to edit build_x4_cfg. -Eric > On 7/14/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> On 7/14/06, David Trask wrote: >> > Hi! >> > I'm setting up a server for NELS. I read the Install notes in >> > /user/share/doc/fl_teachertool and did the things for enabling Monitor >> > and Control. If I edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4.conf (not sure if >> > that's the name of the file as I'm recalling from memory, but it was the >> > right file) and put in the stuff you mention between the Section Screen >> > and so forth....X on the client won't even start....if I revert to the >> > original it's fine. I noticed that the original is VERY close to the >> > changes you recommend. What is happening when I click on "monitor" or >> > "control" I'm getting connection refused. What am I missing? I had it >> >> Double check your mods with step #4 on my site. >> Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ >> >> I just sent Eric version 0.33. Here are the release notes. >> ====================== >> Fl_TeacherTool 0.33 >> released July 14, 2006 >> >> New Features: >> >> -Window title bar and taskbar text of VNC sessions for >> Monitor/Control now include name of user to allow easy identification of >> who is being monitored/controlled. >> -Can open more than one monitor vnc session at a time. >> -No longer need to manually type in vnc password for monitor/control >> >> Known limitation: Monitor/Control does not work on PPC clients >> ===================== >> >> >> > working fine with K12LTSP beta8....did something change with beta12 aka >> > rc1? I also had it working with 4.41. What can I try to get this >> > working....I'd like to demo it at NELS. >> > >> > >> > David N. Trask >> > Technology Teacher/Director >> > Vassalboro Community School >> > dtrask at vcsvikings.org >> > (207)923-3100 >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Robert Arkiletian >> Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada >> Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ >> C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ >> > > From robark at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 06:36:24 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:36:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Fl_TeacherTool monitor and Control In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7/14/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > I am just about to modify the install instructions on my site for > > k12ltsp 5.0. BTW David, the step on copying the vnc module to the /opt > > tree does not work with k12ltsp 5.0 but Eric built the module and the > > build patch is in the latest ltsp update, which k12ltsp rc1 should > > have. Basically it should all be easier with 5.0 > > For K12LTSP 5.0, all that is needed is: > > 1) enable the VNC module in lts.conf (I may set this to default on > in RC2) > > 2) set the vnc password. > > > There is no need to edit build_x4_cfg. > Thanks Eric. I didn't know that. I don't have 5.0 up yet. Then the instructions in the INSTALL file in the tarball I just sent you are wrong. Do you want me to change that and send you another? BTW Eric, do you know the url for the teachertool-realvnc rpm? I want to include it in the docs. > -Eric > > > > On 7/14/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >> On 7/14/06, David Trask wrote: > >> > Hi! > >> > I'm setting up a server for NELS. I read the Install notes in > >> > /user/share/doc/fl_teachertool and did the things for enabling Monitor > >> > and Control. If I edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4.conf (not sure if > >> > that's the name of the file as I'm recalling from memory, but it was the > >> > right file) and put in the stuff you mention between the Section Screen > >> > and so forth....X on the client won't even start....if I revert to the > >> > original it's fine. I noticed that the original is VERY close to the > >> > changes you recommend. What is happening when I click on "monitor" or > >> > "control" I'm getting connection refused. What am I missing? I had it > >> > >> Double check your mods with step #4 on my site. > >> Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > >> > >> I just sent Eric version 0.33. Here are the release notes. > >> ====================== > >> Fl_TeacherTool 0.33 > >> released July 14, 2006 > >> > >> New Features: > >> > >> -Window title bar and taskbar text of VNC sessions for > >> Monitor/Control now include name of user to allow easy identification of > >> who is being monitored/controlled. > >> -Can open more than one monitor vnc session at a time. > >> -No longer need to manually type in vnc password for monitor/control > >> > >> Known limitation: Monitor/Control does not work on PPC clients > >> ===================== > >> > >> > >> > working fine with K12LTSP beta8....did something change with beta12 aka > >> > rc1? I also had it working with 4.41. What can I try to get this > >> > working....I'd like to demo it at NELS. > >> > > >> > > >> > David N. Trask > >> > Technology Teacher/Director > >> > Vassalboro Community School > >> > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > >> > (207)923-3100 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Robert Arkiletian > >> Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > >> Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > >> C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From robark at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 06:38:24 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:38:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Fl_TeacherTool monitor and Control In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7/14/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > I am just about to modify the install instructions on my site for > > k12ltsp 5.0. BTW David, the step on copying the vnc module to the /opt > > tree does not work with k12ltsp 5.0 but Eric built the module and the > > build patch is in the latest ltsp update, which k12ltsp rc1 should > > have. Basically it should all be easier with 5.0 > > For K12LTSP 5.0, all that is needed is: > > 1) enable the VNC module in lts.conf (I may set this to default on > in RC2) Do you think this is a good idea? It might not be good for people who do not use fl_tt since it might bump up the load on the clients a bit. Haven't tested if it does for sure though. > > 2) set the vnc password. > > > There is no need to edit build_x4_cfg. > > -Eric > > > > On 7/14/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >> On 7/14/06, David Trask wrote: > >> > Hi! > >> > I'm setting up a server for NELS. I read the Install notes in > >> > /user/share/doc/fl_teachertool and did the things for enabling Monitor > >> > and Control. If I edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4.conf (not sure if > >> > that's the name of the file as I'm recalling from memory, but it was the > >> > right file) and put in the stuff you mention between the Section Screen > >> > and so forth....X on the client won't even start....if I revert to the > >> > original it's fine. I noticed that the original is VERY close to the > >> > changes you recommend. What is happening when I click on "monitor" or > >> > "control" I'm getting connection refused. What am I missing? I had it > >> > >> Double check your mods with step #4 on my site. > >> Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > >> > >> I just sent Eric version 0.33. Here are the release notes. > >> ====================== > >> Fl_TeacherTool 0.33 > >> released July 14, 2006 > >> > >> New Features: > >> > >> -Window title bar and taskbar text of VNC sessions for > >> Monitor/Control now include name of user to allow easy identification of > >> who is being monitored/controlled. > >> -Can open more than one monitor vnc session at a time. > >> -No longer need to manually type in vnc password for monitor/control > >> > >> Known limitation: Monitor/Control does not work on PPC clients > >> ===================== > >> > >> > >> > working fine with K12LTSP beta8....did something change with beta12 aka > >> > rc1? I also had it working with 4.41. What can I try to get this > >> > working....I'd like to demo it at NELS. > >> > > >> > > >> > David N. Trask > >> > Technology Teacher/Director > >> > Vassalboro Community School > >> > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > >> > (207)923-3100 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Robert Arkiletian > >> Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > >> Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > >> C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Jul 15 06:46:35 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 02:46:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Fl_TeacherTool monitor and Control In-Reply-To: References: < > < > < > Message-ID: Ok...I have the X4_MODULE_02 = vnc in lts.conf....what do I need to undo from your instructions...or should it matter? I reverted back to the original build_x4_cfg file, but I'm still getting "Unable to connect to host, Connection refused (111)" what next? "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sat Jul 15 2006 at 02:36 +0000 wrote: >On 7/14/06, Eric Harrison wrote: >> On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> >> > I am just about to modify the install instructions on my site for >> > k12ltsp 5.0. BTW David, the step on copying the vnc module to the /opt >> > tree does not work with k12ltsp 5.0 but Eric built the module and the >> > build patch is in the latest ltsp update, which k12ltsp rc1 should >> > have. Basically it should all be easier with 5.0 >> >> For K12LTSP 5.0, all that is needed is: >> >> 1) enable the VNC module in lts.conf (I may set this to default on >> in RC2) >> >> 2) set the vnc password. >> >> >> There is no need to edit build_x4_cfg. >> > >Thanks Eric. I didn't know that. I don't have 5.0 up yet. Then the >instructions in the INSTALL file in the tarball I just sent you are >wrong. Do you want me to change that and send you another? BTW Eric, >do you know the url for the teachertool-realvnc rpm? I want to include >it in the docs. > >> -Eric >> >> >> > On 7/14/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> >> On 7/14/06, David Trask wrote: >> >> > Hi! >> >> > I'm setting up a server for NELS. I read the Install notes in >> >> > /user/share/doc/fl_teachertool and did the things for enabling >Monitor >> >> > and Control. If I edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/build_x4.conf (not sure >if >> >> > that's the name of the file as I'm recalling from memory, but it >was the >> >> > right file) and put in the stuff you mention between the Section >Screen >> >> > and so forth....X on the client won't even start....if I revert to >the >> >> > original it's fine. I noticed that the original is VERY close to >the >> >> > changes you recommend. What is happening when I click on >"monitor" or >> >> > "control" I'm getting connection refused. What am I missing? I >had it >> >> >> >> Double check your mods with step #4 on my site. >> >> Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ >> >> >> >> I just sent Eric version 0.33. Here are the release notes. >> >> ====================== >> >> Fl_TeacherTool 0.33 >> >> released July 14, 2006 >> >> >> >> New Features: >> >> >> >> -Window title bar and taskbar text of VNC sessions for >> >> Monitor/Control now include name of user to allow easy >identification of >> >> who is being monitored/controlled. >> >> -Can open more than one monitor vnc session at a time. >> >> -No longer need to manually type in vnc password for monitor/control >> >> >> >> Known limitation: Monitor/Control does not work on PPC clients >> >> ===================== >> >> >> >> >> >> > working fine with K12LTSP beta8....did something change with >beta12 aka >> >> > rc1? I also had it working with 4.41. What can I try to get this >> >> > working....I'd like to demo it at NELS. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > David N. Trask >> >> > Technology Teacher/Director >> >> > Vassalboro Community School >> >> > dtrask at vcsvikings.org >> >> > (207)923-3100 >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Robert Arkiletian >> >> Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada >> >> Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ >> >> C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ >> >> >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > >-- >Robert Arkiletian >Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada >Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ >C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Jul 15 06:55:17 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 02:55:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] This is my yum error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sat Jul 15 2006 at 01:25 +0000 wrote: >On Sat, 15 Jul 2006, David Trask wrote: > >> Eric, >> >> This is an example of the type of errors I get. I ran "yum clean all" >> and then tried to run "yum update"....this is what I got... >> >> [root at server ~]# yum update >> Loading "installonlyn" plugin >> Setting up Update Process >> Setting up repositories >> macromedia >[1/6] >> macromedia 100% |=========================| 951 B >00:00 >> core >[2/6] >> core 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB >00:00 >> k12ltsp >[3/6] >> k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB >00:00 >> updates >[4/6] >> updates 100% |=========================| 1.2 kB >00:00 >> webmin >[5/6] >> webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B >00:00 >> extras >[6/6] >> extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB >00:00 >> Reading repository metadata in from local files >> primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB >00:00 >> macromedia: ################################# 2/3Added >2 >> new packages, deleted 0 old in 0.11 seconds >> primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 767 kB >00:09 >> core : ################################################## 2207/2207 >> Added 2207 new packages, deleted 0 old in 13.21 seconds >> primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.2 MB >00:00 >> k12ltsp : ################################################## 3842/3842 >> Added 3842 new packages, deleted 0 old in 26.86 seconds >> primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 386 kB >00:04 >> updates : ################################################## 1080/1080 >> Added 1080 new packages, deleted 0 old in 8.55 seconds >> primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB >00:00 >> webmin : ################################################## 3/3 >> Added 3 new packages, deleted 0 old in 0.08 seconds >> primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 1.2 MB >00:00 >> extras : ################################################## 4205/4205 >> Added 4205 new packages, deleted 0 old in 24.93 seconds >> Resolving Dependencies >> --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. >> ---> Downloading header for bind-config to pack into transaction set. >> bind-config-9.3.2-20.FC5. 100% |=========================| 35 kB >00:00 >> ---> Package bind-config.i386 30:9.3.2-20.FC5 set to be updated >> ---> Downloading header for ltsp_i386 to pack into transaction set. >> ltsp_i386-4.2-2c.k12ltsp. 100% |=========================| 87 MB >10:02 >> >http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/ltsp_i386-4.2-2c.k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm: >> [Errno -1] Header is not complete. >> Trying other mirror. >> Error: failure: >i386/Fedora/RPMS/ltsp_i386-4.2-2c.k12ltsp.5.0.0.noarch.rpm >> from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. >> >> >> >> See the error? How can I get around this? I've gotten it on "some" >other >> packages, but not all. Java would not install either...same error....I >> also had an issue with kdebase. some things install fine though...like >> webmin...and tuxpaint. I did the java stuff by hand. Any ideas? > > >I'm guessing that the "bad headers" are cached in an upstream proxy >server. > >Try adding the following line to the "[main]" section of /etc/yum.conf: > > http_caching=packages > >then clear out your local cache & try again... > > yum clean headers > yum update > > >-Eric > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see OK....I did all that....no difference....even completely flush the squid cache on my proxy. So once that didn't work....I connected my machine directly to the Internet...(bypassed my own firewall/proxy...etc. entirely)....ran yum clean all and so forth....no different. Still the same error. > David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From robark at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 07:37:10 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 00:37:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.33 released Message-ID: Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ You might want to wait a bit for the new version to be available by yum. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From cliebow at midmaine.com Sat Jul 15 11:30:50 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 07:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Matt: pm for ldap admin In-Reply-To: <20060715051256.GA20308@majen.net> References: <20060715044916.96E9A7341F@hormel.redhat.com> <20060715051256.GA20308@majen.net> Message-ID: <39433.70.33.151.214.1152963050.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Matt: i keep sending my .pm for your review..Love it if you'd take a look..before i make a damn fool of myself..chuck -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060715115957.76789.qmail@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There are a bunch of parameters you can set in the smb.conf file. I don't fully understand them all, because I'm not really familiar with Windows security, but you should do a "man smb.conf" and search it for the following strings: ACL mask security mask security mode Windows This will give you a lot to read, and luckily if you find one pertinent parameter, its description usually refers you to some other pertinent parameters. Good luck. -Rob --- Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > I have set up my K12LTSP as a Samba file server. If > someone is connecting > from a windows machine, how do they control > permissions? eg which group and > which access mode > > For example the principal may want to place a file > on the server which is > only to be accessed by Admin group. Another file he > may want RW access to > Admin and RO access to Staff and no access to > others. Another file he may > want RW access for Staff and Admin but noone > else.How can he set these > permissions from his Windows XP machine? > Does it make a difference if the computer is set up > as a domain client or > workgroup client? > > Krsnendu dasa > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 12:26:02 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 05:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Server specs....how low can you go? In-Reply-To: <1152726854.7973.22.camel@krs> Message-ID: <20060715122602.7505.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > On Mon, 2006-10-07 at 09:22 -0600, Jason Neiffer > wrote: > > How low can I go on the specs? I was looking at > > http://k12ltsp.org/install.html and it suggested > that I could get away > > with something as low as a PIII/1gig or faster. > Would that be a > > workable solution in this environment? How about > if I wanted to use > > K12LTSP 5 when it was released? > I'm currently running Ubuntu with LTSP (not Muekow) on a 2.0 Celeron with 768 MB RAM. I use the server and 2 thin clients, and don't have any problems at with it. The system is a bit slow to open applications, even running them at the server. But the speed isn't any worse on the clients. The only thing I notice w/ the clients is that the screen gets a bit "jumpy" if I have a spreadsheet open and I grab the scrollbar and quickly scroll to the bottom. I've noticed that one client is worse than the other in this regard. The better one has an old AGP video card, and is connected to the server through a single switch. The worse one has an old PCI video card and is connected to the server through 2 switches. All network connections are 100Mbit. I once booted about 6 clients off of this machine, logged into Ubuntu with GNOME and with GCompris running. The server started swapping at this point. I consider the performance with 3 users (one at the server and 2 at the clients) to be acceptable. I live in New Jersey, USA, in case that gives you an idea of what my performance expectations might be like. I'd like to have a faster computer, but my wife keeps telling me the one we have is good enough (she uses it primarily with Firefox and OpenOffice, while I do some video editing). I find that I prefer to use XFCE instead of GNOME because it makes things a bit quicker. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi Sat Jul 15 17:21:01 2006 From: mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:21:01 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Gnome disappeared In-Reply-To: <20060715122602.7505.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060715122602.7505.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060715202101.x336x7ggfxmo004w@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> Hi, two mysterious things happened this evening: 1) When logging on terminal, it starts to KDE. 2) Arts-message Sound server informational message: Error while initialising the sound driver: edevice /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied) The sound server will continue, using the null output device. Maybe the message has been there even before, this wasw the first time starting KDE. Gnome is not in the log-on list, but yum shows it is installed ( of course). I don't remember just now the file where the optional desktops are, so I have not checked it yet. Just to inform, to ask help and wondering if this nhas anything to do with yum updates made lately. Yuors, mikkoj Lainaus Rob Owens : > >> On Mon, 2006-10-07 at 09:22 -0600, Jason Neiffer >> wrote: >> > How low can I go on the specs? I was looking at >> > http://k12ltsp.org/install.html and it suggested >> that I could get away >> > with something as low as a PIII/1gig or faster. >> Would that be a >> > workable solution in this environment? How about >> if I wanted to use >> > K12LTSP 5 when it was released? >> > > I'm currently running Ubuntu with LTSP (not Muekow) on > a 2.0 Celeron with 768 MB RAM. I use the server and 2 > thin clients, and don't have any problems at with it. > The system is a bit slow to open applications, even > running them at the server. But the speed isn't any > worse on the clients. > > The only thing I notice w/ the clients is that the > screen gets a bit "jumpy" if I have a spreadsheet open > and I grab the scrollbar and quickly scroll to the > bottom. I've noticed that one client is worse than > the other in this regard. The better one has an old > AGP video card, and is connected to the server through > a single switch. The worse one has an old PCI video > card and is connected to the server through 2 > switches. All network connections are 100Mbit. > > I once booted about 6 clients off of this machine, > logged into Ubuntu with GNOME and with GCompris > running. The server started swapping at this point. > > I consider the performance with 3 users (one at the > server and 2 at the clients) to be acceptable. I live > in New Jersey, USA, in case that gives you an idea of > what my performance expectations might be like. I'd > like to have a faster computer, but my wife keeps > telling me the one we have is good enough (she uses it > primarily with Firefox and OpenOffice, while I do some > video editing). I find that I prefer to use XFCE > instead of GNOME because it makes things a bit > quicker. > > -Rob > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 18:46:18 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:46:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.33 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd317560607151146k1b4d7309r3cd2f287a8392ba0@mail.gmail.com> Hey Robert, It's seems I missing /usr/bin/teachertool-realvncviewer. Unfortunately I'm getting ./configure errors like this: ./libz.a(gzio.o)(.text+0x167): In function `check_header': : undefined reference to `errno' ./libz.a(gzio.o)(.text+0x253): In function `check_header': : undefined reference to `errno' ./libz.a(gzio.o)(.text+0x291): In function `check_header': : undefined reference to `errno' ./libz.a(gzio.o)(.text+0x2d2): In function `check_header': : undefined reference to `errno' ./libz.a(gzio.o)(.text+0x3cb): In function `check_header': : undefined reference to `errno' ./libz.a(gzio.o)(.text+0x40c): more undefined references to `errno' follow collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Eric only has the teachertool-tightvnc up. Any idea when an RPM for teachertool-realvncviewer might be available? Thanks guys Peter On 7/15/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > You might want to wait a bit for the new version to be available by yum. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 19:12:32 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 12:12:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.33 released In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607151146k1b4d7309r3cd2f287a8392ba0@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560607151146k1b4d7309r3cd2f287a8392ba0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, Eric should have this fixed when people install it through yum. For now you can download this http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/vnc-4_1_2-unixsrc-teachertool.tar.gz untar it tar -xvzf vnc-4.....tar.gz then cd to the unix dir then ./configure then make then cp the newly created vncviewer binary (in the vncviewer sub dir) to /usr/bin as teachertool-realvncviewer Once Eric builds the deps this should just be an rpm that will get installed when you install with yum. Peter, please test out the new fl_tt (particularly monitoring multiple clients at once) and let me know if there are any showstoppers. BTW I want everyone to know that this feature would not have happened if it was not for Peters encouragement. Thanks Peter. On 7/15/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey Robert, > It's seems I missing /usr/bin/teachertool-realvncviewer. > Unfortunately I'm getting ./configure errors like this: > > ./libz.a(gzio.o)(.text+0x167): In function `check_header': > : undefined reference to `errno' > ./libz.a(gzio.o)(.text+0x253): In function `check_header': > : undefined reference to `errno' > ./libz.a(gzio.o)(.text+0x291): In function `check_header': > : undefined reference to `errno' > ./libz.a(gzio.o)(.text+0x2d2): In function `check_header': > : undefined reference to `errno' > ./libz.a(gzio.o)(.text+0x3cb): In function `check_header': > : undefined reference to `errno' > ./libz.a(gzio.o)(.text+0x40c): more undefined references to `errno' follow > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > > Eric only has the teachertool-tightvnc up. Any idea when an RPM for > teachertool-realvncviewer might be available? > > Thanks guys > > Peter > > > On 7/15/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > > You might want to wait a bit for the new version to be available by yum. > > > > -- > > Robert Arkiletian > > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 19:35:25 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:35:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.33 released In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560607151146k1b4d7309r3cd2f287a8392ba0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560607151235k51f54054n6d5913f3aa11a246@mail.gmail.com> > For now you can download this > http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/vnc-4_1_2-unixsrc-teachertool.tar.gz Yeah, that's where my ./config errors happend. :( > BTW I want everyone to know that this feature would not have happened > if it was not for Peters encouragement. Thanks Peter. Your weclome! :) Thanks, Peter On 7/15/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Yes, Eric should have this fixed when people install it through yum. > For now you can download this > http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/vnc-4_1_2-unixsrc-teachertool.tar.gz > > untar it > tar -xvzf vnc-4.....tar.gz > then cd to the unix dir > then ./configure > then make > then cp the newly created vncviewer binary (in the vncviewer sub dir) > to /usr/bin as teachertool-realvncviewer > > Once Eric builds the deps this should just be an rpm that will get > installed when you install with yum. > > Peter, please test out the new fl_tt (particularly monitoring multiple > clients at once) and let me know if there are any showstoppers. > > BTW I want everyone to know that this feature would not have happened > if it was not for Peters encouragement. Thanks Peter. > > On 7/15/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Hey Robert, > > It's seems I missing /usr/bin/teachertool-realvncviewer. > > Unfortunately I'm getting ./configure errors like this: > > > > ./libz.a(gzio.o)(.text+0x167): In function `check_header': > > : undefined reference to `errno' > > ./libz.a(gzio.o)(.text+0x253): In function `check_header': > > : undefined reference to `errno' > > ./libz.a(gzio.o)(.text+0x291): In function `check_header': > > : undefined reference to `errno' > > ./libz.a(gzio.o)(.text+0x2d2): In function `check_header': > > : undefined reference to `errno' > > ./libz.a(gzio.o)(.text+0x3cb): In function `check_header': > > : undefined reference to `errno' > > ./libz.a(gzio.o)(.text+0x40c): more undefined references to `errno' follow > > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > > > > Eric only has the teachertool-tightvnc up. Any idea when an RPM for > > teachertool-realvncviewer might be available? > > > > Thanks guys > > > > Peter > > > > > > On 7/15/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > > > You might want to wait a bit for the new version to be available by yum. > > > > > > -- > > > Robert Arkiletian > > > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > > > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > > > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 19:51:13 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 12:51:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.33 released In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607151235k51f54054n6d5913f3aa11a246@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560607151146k1b4d7309r3cd2f287a8392ba0@mail.gmail.com> <9bd317560607151235k51f54054n6d5913f3aa11a246@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/15/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > For now you can download this > > http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/vnc-4_1_2-unixsrc-teachertool.tar.gz > > Yeah, that's where my ./config errors happend. :( Oh! Sorry, I didn't read your intial post closely enough. Hmm. I'm guessing you're missing some library to compile vnc. errno.h is part of glibc-headers. Here is the output of my ./configure loading cache ./config.cache configuring common... loading cache ./config.cache checking for gcc... (cached) gcc checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) no checking for c++... (cached) c++ checking whether the C++ compiler (c++ ) works... yes checking whether the C++ compiler (c++ ) is a cross-compiler... no checking whether we are using GNU C++... (cached) yes checking whether c++ accepts -g... (cached) no checking for ranlib... (cached) ranlib checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... (cached) yes checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... (cached) c++ -E checking for X... (cached) libraries /usr/X11R6/lib, headers /usr/X11R6/include checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet... (cached) no checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet_stub... (cached) no checking for gethostbyname... (cached) yes checking for connect... (cached) yes checking for remove... (cached) yes checking for shmat... (cached) yes checking for IceConnectionNumber in -lICE... (cached) yes configuring zlib... Checking for gcc... Building static library libz.a version 1.1.4 with gcc. Checking for unistd.h... Yes. Checking for errno.h... Yes. Checking for mmap support... Yes. ...done configuring zlib checking for vsnprintf... (cached) yes checking for socklen_t... yes creating ./config.status creating Makefile creating rdr/Makefile creating network/Makefile creating Xregion/Makefile creating rfb/Makefile ...done configuring common checking for gcc... (cached) gcc checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) no checking for c++... (cached) c++ checking whether the C++ compiler (c++ ) works... yes checking whether the C++ compiler (c++ ) is a cross-compiler... no checking whether we are using GNU C++... (cached) yes checking whether c++ accepts -g... (cached) no checking for ranlib... (cached) ranlib checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... (cached) yes checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... (cached) c++ -E checking for X... (cached) libraries /usr/X11R6/lib, headers /usr/X11R6/include checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet... (cached) no checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet_stub... (cached) no checking for gethostbyname... (cached) yes checking for connect... (cached) yes checking for remove... (cached) yes checking for shmat... (cached) yes checking for IceConnectionNumber in -lICE... (cached) yes creating ./config.status creating Makefile creating tx/Makefile creating x0vncserver/Makefile creating vncviewer/Makefile creating vncconfig/Makefile creating vncpasswd/Makefile > > > BTW I want everyone to know that this feature would not have happened > > if it was not for Peters encouragement. Thanks Peter. > > Your weclome! :) > > Thanks, > Peter > > On 7/15/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > Yes, Eric should have this fixed when people install it through yum. > > For now you can download this > > http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/vnc-4_1_2-unixsrc-teachertool.tar.gz > > > > untar it > > tar -xvzf vnc-4.....tar.gz > > then cd to the unix dir > > then ./configure > > then make > > then cp the newly created vncviewer binary (in the vncviewer sub dir) > > to /usr/bin as teachertool-realvncviewer > > > > Once Eric builds the deps this should just be an rpm that will get > > installed when you install with yum. > > > > Peter, please test out the new fl_tt (particularly monitoring multiple > > clients at once) and let me know if there are any showstoppers. > > > > BTW I want everyone to know that this feature would not have happened > > if it was not for Peters encouragement. Thanks Peter. > > > > On 7/15/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > Hey Robert, > > > It's seems I missing /usr/bin/teachertool-realvncviewer. > > > Unfortunately I'm getting ./configure errors like this: > > > > > > ./libz.a(gzio.o)(.text+0x167): In function `check_header': > > > : undefined reference to `errno' > > > ./libz.a(gzio.o)(.text+0x253): In function `check_header': > > > : undefined reference to `errno' > > > ./libz.a(gzio.o)(.text+0x291): In function `check_header': > > > : undefined reference to `errno' > > > ./libz.a(gzio.o)(.text+0x2d2): In function `check_header': > > > : undefined reference to `errno' > > > ./libz.a(gzio.o)(.text+0x3cb): In function `check_header': > > > : undefined reference to `errno' > > > ./libz.a(gzio.o)(.text+0x40c): more undefined references to `errno' follow > > > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > > > > > > Eric only has the teachertool-tightvnc up. Any idea when an RPM for > > > teachertool-realvncviewer might be available? > > > > > > Thanks guys > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > On 7/15/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > > > > You might want to wait a bit for the new version to be available by yum. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Robert Arkiletian > > > > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > > > > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > > > > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > -- > > Robert Arkiletian > > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sat Jul 15 23:29:32 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:29:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ldap sucess!!! AND webmin Message-ID: <9bd317560607151629i29296f7fh91f086eb0cd0154b@mail.gmail.com> Ok, so the one time I decide not to do a media check THREE out of 5 discs fail. but all md5sums pass. And no matter how many I burn them they always fail. NFS install is my new friend that's for sure. Also the new webmin-1.290-1 has the samba create user part fixed with create users from batch file. One thing I noticed: with creating users with pre encrypted passwords, it would only work if you set the module to use {crypt}. Thank you guys for all the help. Sorry to put you through all that idiocy. Chuck I'm definitely interested in what you do to manipulate all this stuff. Thanks, Peter On 7/14/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > Boy im glad i dont have to use smbldap-tools any longer..it is so much > clearer what is going on without them....... > > > I notice the the -a has a long - before the a. Might that have > > something to do with it? > > > > On 15/07/06, David Trask wrote: > >> hmmm...worked fine for me....I did > >> > >> ./smbldap-groupadd -a -g 527 testusers > >> > >> Nonetheless...this time do this and report back (do it exactly like > >> below) > >> > >> cd /opt/IDEALX/sbin > >> ./smbldap-groupadd -a -g 525 students > >> > >> let me know what happen....may make no difference, but that's what I > >> did...so let's eliminate from there. > >> > >> > >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >> on > >> Fri Jul 14 2006 at 15:31 +0000 wrote: > >> >Hey guys, so here's what's going on with this fresh install. I think > >> >I may have found a clue to a problem. > >> > > >> >[root at ascldap samba]# /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 525 > >> students > >> >[root at ascldap samba]# /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 526 > >> teachers > >> >/opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupadd: group ?a exists > >> >[root at ascldap samba]# net groupmap list > >> >Domain Admins (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-512) -> Domain > >> Admins > >> >Domain Users (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-513) -> Domain Users > >> >Domain Guests (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-514) -> Domain > >> Guests > >> >Domain Computers (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-515) -> Domain > >> >Computers > >> >Administrators (S-1-5-32-544) -> Administrators > >> >Account Operators (S-1-5-32-548) -> Account Operators > >> >Print Operators (S-1-5-32-550) -> Print Operators > >> >Backup Operators (S-1-5-32-551) -> Backup Operators > >> >Replicators (S-1-5-32-552) -> Replicators > >> > > >> > > >> >Is it trying to say that in the first command that I created a groupe > >> >name "-a" ? I've tried smbldap-userdel -a and "-a" but it says > >> >unknown option. For the record I don't have guid 526 already. > >> > > >> > > >> >Once again getent group shows this mysterious group named > >> >\E2\80\93a:x:10000: for the user that I just created with > >> >smbldap-useradd. > >> > > >> > > >> >excerpt------- > >> > > >> >admin4:x:500: > >> >Domain Admins:x:512:root > >> >Domain Users:x:513:test9 > >> >Domain Guests:x:514: > >> >Domain Computers:x:515: > >> >Administrators:x:544: > >> >Account Operators:x:548: > >> >Print Operators:x:550: > >> >Backup Operators:x:551: > >> >Replicators:x:552: > >> >\E2\80\93a:x:10000: > >> > > >> > > >> >Intuition is telling me that my smbldap-tools are messed up but I'm > >> >not sure to check that. > >> > > >> >I posted the results of the tests at test.ascensionschoolnyc.org/ldap. > >> > > >> >What the heck going on? I swear I did a COMPLETE format. > >> > > >> > > >> >Thanks, > >> >Peter > >> > > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >K12OSN mailing list > >> >K12OSN at redhat.com > >> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> >For more info see > >> > >> > >> > >> David N. Trask > >> Technology Teacher/Director > >> Vassalboro Community School > >> dtrask at vcsvikings.org > >> (207)923-3100 > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > > > -- > > Please note my new email address- > > krsnendu108 at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at midmaine.com Sat Jul 15 23:57:50 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ldap sucess!!! AND webmin In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607151629i29296f7fh91f086eb0cd0154b@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560607151629i29296f7fh91f086eb0cd0154b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <55115.70.33.151.214.1153007870.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> im at school on Moncldcl.: i Really likeldapbrowser and it is impossible to google for so ill semd you a copy from my stash..to visualize what the dircetory looks like..then i have a python/tk as a leadin to the bash svripts i used to create ldifs and ldapadd them to the database,common stuff like vhanging pws and stuff i have a perl/cgi erb based tool im working on..but not ready to explain ro aomeone else how to make work..anyway if i could use you for a sounding board it would be great..gluck..chuck > Ok, so the one time I decide not to do a media check THREE out of 5 > discs fail. but all md5sums pass. And no matter how many I burn them > they always fail. NFS install is my new friend that's for sure. Also > the new webmin-1.290-1 has the samba create user part fixed with > create users from batch file. One thing I noticed: with creating users > with pre encrypted passwords, it would only work if you set the module > to use {crypt}. Thank you guys for all the help. Sorry to put you > through all that idiocy. Chuck I'm definitely interested in what you > do to manipulate all this stuff. > > > Thanks, > Peter > > > On 7/14/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: >> Boy im glad i dont have to use smbldap-tools any longer..it is so much >> clearer what is going on without them....... >> >> > I notice the the -a has a long - before the a. Might that have >> > something to do with it? >> > >> > On 15/07/06, David Trask wrote: >> >> hmmm...worked fine for me....I did >> >> >> >> ./smbldap-groupadd -a -g 527 testusers >> >> >> >> Nonetheless...this time do this and report back (do it exactly like >> >> below) >> >> >> >> cd /opt/IDEALX/sbin >> >> ./smbldap-groupadd -a -g 525 students >> >> >> >> let me know what happen....may make no difference, but that's what I >> >> did...so let's eliminate from there. >> >> >> >> >> >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> >> on >> >> Fri Jul 14 2006 at 15:31 +0000 wrote: >> >> >Hey guys, so here's what's going on with this fresh install. I >> think >> >> >I may have found a clue to a problem. >> >> > >> >> >[root at ascldap samba]# /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 525 >> >> students >> >> >[root at ascldap samba]# /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 526 >> >> teachers >> >> >/opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupadd: group ?a exists >> >> >[root at ascldap samba]# net groupmap list >> >> >Domain Admins (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-512) -> Domain >> >> Admins >> >> >Domain Users (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-513) -> Domain >> Users >> >> >Domain Guests (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-514) -> Domain >> >> Guests >> >> >Domain Computers (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-515) -> >> Domain >> >> >Computers >> >> >Administrators (S-1-5-32-544) -> Administrators >> >> >Account Operators (S-1-5-32-548) -> Account Operators >> >> >Print Operators (S-1-5-32-550) -> Print Operators >> >> >Backup Operators (S-1-5-32-551) -> Backup Operators >> >> >Replicators (S-1-5-32-552) -> Replicators >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >Is it trying to say that in the first command that I created a >> groupe >> >> >name "-a" ? I've tried smbldap-userdel -a and "-a" but it says >> >> >unknown option. For the record I don't have guid 526 already. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >Once again getent group shows this mysterious group named >> >> >\E2\80\93a:x:10000: for the user that I just created with >> >> >smbldap-useradd. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >excerpt------- >> >> > >> >> >admin4:x:500: >> >> >Domain Admins:x:512:root >> >> >Domain Users:x:513:test9 >> >> >Domain Guests:x:514: >> >> >Domain Computers:x:515: >> >> >Administrators:x:544: >> >> >Account Operators:x:548: >> >> >Print Operators:x:550: >> >> >Backup Operators:x:551: >> >> >Replicators:x:552: >> >> >\E2\80\93a:x:10000: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >Intuition is telling me that my smbldap-tools are messed up but I'm >> >> >not sure to check that. >> >> > >> >> >I posted the results of the tests at >> test.ascensionschoolnyc.org/ldap. >> >> > >> >> >What the heck going on? I swear I did a COMPLETE format. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >Thanks, >> >> >Peter >> >> > >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >> >K12OSN mailing list >> >> >K12OSN at redhat.com >> >> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >> >For more info see >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> David N. Trask >> >> Technology Teacher/Director >> >> Vassalboro Community School >> >> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >> >> (207)923-3100 >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> K12OSN mailing list >> >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >> For more info see >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Please note my new email address- >> > krsnendu108 at gmail.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at midmaine.com Sun Jul 16 00:04:52 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ldap sucess!!! AND webmin In-Reply-To: <55115.70.33.151.214.1153007870.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <9bd317560607151629i29296f7fh91f086eb0cd0154b@mail.gmail.com> <55115.70.33.151.214.1153007870.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <42394.70.33.151.214.1153008292.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> google for Browser282b2.zip javabased tool works fromlinux/windows..i suppose mac as well From robark at gmail.com Sun Jul 16 04:24:52 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:24:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Fl_TeacherTool 0.33 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please hold off on installing 0.33. I am going to release 0.34 soon. (no longer need teachertool-realvncviewer) On 7/15/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > You might want to wait a bit for the new version to be available by yum. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Jul 16 17:10:47 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:10:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Fl_TeacherTool 0.33 released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd317560607161010p485e7061s68ce365893ee8597@mail.gmail.com> i just customized ours to let you select multiple users for controling. this free software thing is great! Thanks, Robert On 7/16/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Please hold off on installing 0.33. I am going to release 0.34 soon. (no > longer need teachertool-realvncviewer) > > > On 7/15/06, Robert Arkiletian < robark at gmail.com> wrote: > > Fl_TeacherTool > http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > > You might want to wait a bit for the new version to be available by yum. > > > > -- > > Robert Arkiletian > > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > > Fl_TeacherTool > http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > > > > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool > http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From daengbo at gmail.com Sun Jul 16 17:24:02 2006 From: daengbo at gmail.com (Daniel Bo) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:24:02 +0900 Subject: [K12OSN] classroom teachers In-Reply-To: <44A41358.7040803@comcast.net> References: <20060629160024.3229E734F4@hormel.redhat.com> <44A41358.7040803@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1153070642.5376.73.camel@danielbo> Daniel, This is a very late response, because I haven't read the list lately. I put up some sites using Moodle where I work to post some content: I planned to mention them after I finished something worth mentioning. If you are interested in checking them out -- http://teachers.oss-in-efl.info http://applications.oss-in-efl.info Daniel On Thu, 2006-06-29 at 13:52 -0400, Daniel Howard wrote: > > Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:46:14 -1000 > > From: "R. Scott Belford" > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] classroom teachers > > I find it interesting that this discussion took place about 1.5 years > ago. > > > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-December/msg00208.html > > > > At that point there was some hesitation for splitting the lists, but > there was some agreement that a Mailman list would be best. Also, > RedHat had agreed to host this. > > > > Four years into setting up and supporting thin-client labs, HOSEF > came to the conclusion that it would help to create a second mailing > list for teachers. There is, however, such hesitation to admit what you > don't know that the list hasn't been used much. > > > > http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hosef-support > > > > --scott > > > > A thought: How about a web site for teachers with lesson plans posted by > teachers (www.OpenLessons.org or similar) where those of us more > familiar with some of the OSS apps available (or can take the moments to > search or email schoolforge collegues to find apps) can then integrate > the OSS apps into the lesson plans? Basically, teachers just do what > they're already doing (lesson plans) and we help them find OSS apps to > enhance the lessons. The site can have other info besides lesson plans > useful for teachers using OSS in classrooms of course. > > Some of my teachers are already talking about doing something like this > with their existing lesson plans, now that they have so many working > computers available to them. I'm sure at least a few could be talked > into starting something for us. > > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Jul 16 18:02:58 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:02:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.34 packages added to K12LTSP 5.0 repositories Message-ID: <44BA7F52.6050609@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> fl_teachertool 0.34 packages have been added to the K12LTSP 5.0 repositories. I also updated the ltsp_i386-config package to include a sample configuration for enabling the vnc control/monitor feature. After the updates, all you need to do is: 1) edit /opt/ltsp/i386/lts.conf and uncomment the "X4_MODULE_02 = vnc" line 2) run: /usr/bin/vncpasswd cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ 3) reboot your terminals.... -Eric From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Sun Jul 16 19:30:20 2006 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:30:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Broken repository or URL that affects smbldap-installer In-Reply-To: References: < > Message-ID: <1153078221.19734.8.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 02:53 -0400, David Trask wrote: > Thanks for confirming this. I added the --disablerepo=core to the > distro_data.pm file in the smbldap-installer and it appears to work fine > now. Feels like a hack, but at least it's just an installer. I visited > the bug page....doesn't appear to be much movement on it....got any clout > with the RH guys or Fedora guys who can fix this? It's an annoying bug... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=188926 has been updated by the maintainer with a request to see if this has been fixed in yum-2.9. Is anyone willing to spend some time testing if yum-2.9 has this bug? yum-2.9 is available from Fedora's development repository, not from the Fedora Core 5 branch and I'm not able to test this now. It might be as simple as upgrading yum to the development version and testing that everything works. Or it might involve upgrading yum and a bunch of other dependencies to the development version (which may or may not be stable). -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 17 01:23:55 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:23:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ldap sucess!!! AND webmin In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607151629i29296f7fh91f086eb0cd0154b@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560607151629i29296f7fh91f086eb0cd0154b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060717012017.M20378@winonacotter.org> On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:29:32 -0400, Peter Hartmann wrote > Ok, so the one time I decide not to do a media check THREE out of 5 > discs fail. but all md5sums pass. And no matter how many I burn them > they always fail. NFS install is my new friend that's for sure. > Also the new webmin-1.290-1 has the samba create user part fixed > with create users from batch file. One thing I noticed: with > creating users with pre encrypted passwords, it would only work if > you set the module to use {crypt}. So if I understand this correctly, as long as someone uses the newest Webmin the instructions I posted before will now set up webmin's ldap module as a complete solution for LDAP management with bulk imports and all? Did you have to make any other tweaks to make this work besides the crypt change? If so, very cool. Also I can make a webpage and PDF to post for public download to make this easy to find for anyone else, right now the only documentation is an old post to this list. I love webmin, and now just a little more :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Jul 17 04:14:08 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:14:08 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP compatible thin clients Message-ID: I am looking to upgrade our second hand Compaq ENS SFF computers to ex-lease dedicated thin clients. What do I need to look out for to make sure the thin client will work with LTSP. I am in New Zealand. So far I have seen Compaq and NCD brands. 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Alan El Paso, TX -=o=- From accessys at smart.net Mon Jul 17 13:04:01 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Accessys@smart.net) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Feedback Needed (OT) In-Reply-To: <1153140476.10614.8.camel@HodsonNet1> References: <1153140476.10614.8.camel@HodsonNet1> Message-ID: pretty good, very little use of NON 508, IDEA compliant material. gotta be carefull that one solution does not create other problems. in a school enviorenment you are heavily regulated under the IDEA rules. and in fact one of the major defficiencies of Open source software in the educational setting is adaptive/special ed software... this problem will need to be addressed before open source can be a major player in the public school systems... Bob On Mon, 17 Jul 2006, Alan Hodson wrote: > Hi gang > > If you have a few minutes I would appreciate feedback on this page - > http://tossfoundation.org/news.html - It's part of a local effort to > raise the awareness of school districts (or .edu institutions) about > their relation with tax payers, but I am not sure if the format is too > antagonistic... It is Open Source/Linux related... Your off list > feedback is greatly appreciated. > > Alan > El Paso, TX > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ NO response will ever be given to anyone using earthlink.net +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jul 17 13:05:01 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:05:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool config In-Reply-To: <1153138886.2982.15.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <1153138886.2982.15.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <20060717124645.M1788@winonacotter.org> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:21:26 -0400, James P. Kinney III wrote > Is it possible to have a per teacher config to allow only access to the > TC's in their class? Something like a .ttoolrc file maybe. > > Imagine the fun when teacher A accidentally disconnects a student in > teacher B's room since they run off the same server :) I have thought the same thing in the past, but on a little different line. Say you have clients for administration and staff as well as students down the line. In that scenario any teacher that you give access to TeacherTool will automatically have access to all other admin and staff machines. I could see being able to configure per user control lists even more of a necessity in this situation. Currently in our schools, we don't give teachers access to such tools. But as the number of workstations would hopefully increase, it would be nice to offload some of that management to the teachers. If I look at the OSX model for Apple Remote Desktop the security is a little more configurable. Although the model of TeacherTool is awesome in the fact that there is no configuration, by default all clients just show up and work, there isn't much to change it. In apple's version you can assign control passwords to each client, multiple if you want, and you can give each password certain priveleges. That way if some rogue user gets on the network with ARD they need passwords to perform any tasks. Maybe all student machines are password "student" and all admin machines are password "admin", then you only give the student password to teachers and keep the admin one in the IT department. That offers the ability for more control. You can also setup a "teacher" password, so that if a teacher would use that password they could only observe or control, but not copy software. That being said, I don't know how you would keep the out of the box just works model of TeacherTool with no configuration and no building of lists and still provide the ARD type of configurability. Some how TeacherTool would have to look at the group assigned to the user running TeacherTool to get what privileges that user has, then look at the groups assigned to each logged in client user to determine which users the teacher has the rights to control. It would be best in this scenerio to have TeacherTool build the visible list only out of clients the connecting user has rights to in order to make things less confusing. Then there would have to be a rights configuration screen available only to the root or master user in order to set up which and what rights users had to control certain groups. Sounds like a lot of work, but if the above paragraph is possible it would still allow for automatic setup out of the box with all clients automatically added, but still allow for a breakdown of control like requested. If those features were implemented, TeacherTool would hands down kick ARD's a$$. I hate having to configure ARD and lists all of the damn time. Side thought, if TeacherTool did have these abilities built in, could it also be modified in the future to be able to be used to "push" items or changes to specific groups? Teachers maybe have the ability to push assignements to student desktops, admins push new apps to staff or drop a new bookmarks file to the student group? Hmmm....Maybe this software could have more power than I ever thought and solve some other administration issues, of course, with a lot more work. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From rmcdaniel at indata.us Mon Jul 17 13:59:37 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 06:59:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Feedback Needed (OT) Message-ID: <20060717065937.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.6aa7db79c5.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Our special ed software is web based, so it doesn't matter what operating system is being used on the workstation. It does require MS 2003 server running IIS, however, the workstation can run any browser. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us "try to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are" > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Feedback Needed (OT) > From: "Accessys at smart.net" > Date: Mon, July 17, 2006 8:04 am > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > pretty good, very little use of NON 508, IDEA compliant material. gotta > be carefull that one solution does not create other problems. in a school > enviorenment you are heavily regulated under the IDEA rules. > > and in fact one of the major defficiencies of Open source software in the > educational setting is adaptive/special ed software... this problem will > need to be addressed before open source can be a major player in the > public school systems... > > Bob > > On Mon, 17 Jul 2006, Alan Hodson wrote: > > > Hi gang > > > > If you have a few minutes I would appreciate feedback on this page - > > http://tossfoundation.org/news.html - It's part of a local effort to > > raise the awareness of school districts (or .edu institutions) about > > their relation with tax payers, but I am not sure if the format is too > > antagonistic... It is Open Source/Linux related... Your off list > > feedback is greatly appreciated. > > > > Alan > > El Paso, TX > > -=o=- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > NO response will ever be given to anyone using earthlink.net > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net > NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers > NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be > privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Jul 17 14:58:36 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:58:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ldap sucess!!! AND webmin In-Reply-To: <20060717012017.M20378@winonacotter.org> References: <9bd317560607151629i29296f7fh91f086eb0cd0154b@mail.gmail.com> <20060717012017.M20378@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <9bd317560607170758k52562801nc27266b221092158@mail.gmail.com> >Did you have > to make any other tweaks to make this work besides the crypt >change? As far as the module config, not that I can think of. However, I will say that to get it to work you have to have a [realname] field populated and I had to leave the [min:max:warn:inactive:expire] fields empty. When I exported my unix users to a batch file, for this they all had something like 0:99999:7::. To get five colons at the end I put four in one cell in OO-calc then save as .csv with field delimiter : and text delimiter none. That's pretty much it. I almost can't believe I have the whole user base back in ldap. Yeah, webmin is great. :) Thanks again Jim. Peter On 7/16/06, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:29:32 -0400, Peter Hartmann wrote > > Ok, so the one time I decide not to do a media check THREE out of 5 > > discs fail. but all md5sums pass. And no matter how many I burn them > > they always fail. NFS install is my new friend that's for sure. > > Also the new webmin-1.290-1 has the samba create user part fixed > > with create users from batch file. One thing I noticed: with > > creating users with pre encrypted passwords, it would only work if > > you set the module to use {crypt}. > > So if I understand this correctly, as long as someone uses the newest Webmin > the instructions I posted before will now set up webmin's ldap module as a > complete solution for LDAP management with bulk imports and all? Did you have > to make any other tweaks to make this work besides the crypt change? > > If so, very cool. Also I can make a webpage and PDF to post for public > download to make this easy to find for anyone else, right now the only > documentation is an old post to this list. I love webmin, and now just a > little more :-) > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From william at fragakis.com Mon Jul 17 15:37:07 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:37:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ldap sucess!!! AND webmin In-Reply-To: <20060716160018.BEBB67310E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060716160018.BEBB67310E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1153150627.15385.6.camel@server.ltsp> You may want to try a different brand of cdr or burn at a slower speed. I've got a batch of 100 that a lot of older cd-roms have trouble reading if burned at full speed but work fine if I burn at 16-20x but, yes, network installation, if nothing else, is great because I don't have to do the swapperoo with all the disks. regards, William On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:29:32 -0400 > From: "Peter Hartmann" > Subject: [K12OSN] ldap sucess!!! AND webmin > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: > <9bd317560607151629i29296f7fh91f086eb0cd0154b at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed > > Ok, so the one time I decide not to do a media check THREE out of 5 > discs fail. but all md5sums pass. And no matter how many I burn them > they always fail. NFS install is my new friend that's for sure. Also > the new webmin-1.290-1 has the samba create user part fixed with > create users from batch file. One thing I noticed: with creating users > with pre encrypted passwords, it would only work if you set the module > to use {crypt}. Thank you guys for all the help. Sorry to put you > through all that idiocy. Chuck I'm definitely interested in what you > do to manipulate all this stuff. > > > Thanks, > Pet From dahopkins at comcast.net Mon Jul 17 15:58:35 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:58:35 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #1 Message-ID: <071720061558.15979.44BBB3AB0008A1F100003E6B22070208539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> I tried to install 5.00-RC1 on a system with the Adaptec 2010s zero channel RAID and it still has the same issues with hanging during the install. The issue is that the i20_block device support is broken. (apparently this was broken going from 2.6.15 to 2.6.16 , see previous email on this issue to list). 2.6.17 was supposed to fix it. At any rate, still can't install since anaconda hangs/crashes at random points. Anyone have a pointer to setting up a software RAID 1 during the install or an idea on when anaconda will have the latest kernel? Thanks, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Eric Harrison > K12LTSP 5.0.0 release candidate #1 has been uploaded. > > This includes today's LTSP CVS + the K12LTSP keymap fix. Jim tells me > that LTSP 4.2 update 3 is about ready. If there are any additional > updates to LTSP before update 3 is officially released, we'll add them > into RC2. > > Please give this build a very thorough test and report any and all > issues that you see. > > > > The repositories have been updated, if you have an earlier beta > installed you can simply run "yum update". > > > Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . > > Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dahopkins at comcast.net Mon Jul 17 18:50:50 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:50:50 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't login at clients after installing RC1 Message-ID: <071720061850.22197.44BBDC0A00085938000056B522007503309C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Ok, I installed RC1 after removing the RAID card. Now, I can boot the thin clients, but cannot login using any of the accounts. We use LDAP (created/configured using David Trask's and Matt's script). It works for the other K12servers (we have 3) which are running FC4. I can (as root) su - someaccount at the FC5 K12 server and become the user. However, trying to log in as the user, I get authentication denied. Used the authentication GUI to change add LDAP as the authentication mechanism (?). I have disabled SELinux and rebooted, but nothing seems to work. At a loss for what the issue is. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Jul 17 18:54:45 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 06:54:45 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] JackPC Message-ID: Any thoughts about this thin client. Sounds promising, but it seems bound to windows at present. http://www.chippc.com/press/release/pr13.asp -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Jul 17 18:56:54 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:56:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't login at clients after installing RC1 In-Reply-To: <071720061850.22197.44BBDC0A00085938000056B522007503309C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <071720061850.22197.44BBDC0A00085938000056B522007503309C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9bd317560607171156y67985355q926485630694c18c@mail.gmail.com> Did you remember to mount the nfs /home in fstab? Peter On 7/17/06, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Ok, I installed RC1 after removing the RAID card. Now, I can boot the thin clients, but cannot login using any of the accounts. We use LDAP (created/configured using David Trask's and Matt's script). It works for the other K12servers (we have 3) which are running FC4. I can (as root) su - someaccount at the FC5 K12 server and become the user. However, trying to log in as the user, I get authentication denied. Used the authentication GUI to change add LDAP as the authentication mechanism (?). I have disabled SELinux and rebooted, but nothing seems to work. > > At a loss for what the issue is. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > Newark Charter School > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dahopkins at comcast.net Mon Jul 17 19:51:18 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:51:18 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't login at clients after installing RC1 Message-ID: <071720061951.28853.44BBEA36000B7A3E000070B522070009539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Yep, I had everything set up, but ... apparently setting selinux to disabled doesn't necessarily mean that it is. I edited the conf file and also removed the targetted line as well. Then, after a reboot, I can log on with some accounts, but not all. e.g. student01 with home on the nfs mounted /home/generic/student01 can log on but is immediately logged off. student02 with home on the nfs mounted /home/generic/student02 can log on but sound does not work. testlts3 with home on a local drive, not nfs mounted, can log in and sound works. And ... new fo fc5 (?) root cannot log on at a thin clients which is ok, but just different. So ... something to do with permissions still? Not sure why the sound works for testlts3 but not the other accounts. Will send a separate message on this since I HAVE to have sound, and video, working this year 'just like Windows' or else management will start looking at other options Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Peter Hartmann" > Did you remember to mount the nfs /home in fstab? > > Peter > > On 7/17/06, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > Ok, I installed RC1 after removing the RAID card. Now, I can boot the thin > clients, but cannot login using any of the accounts. We use LDAP > (created/configured using David Trask's and Matt's script). It works for the > other K12servers (we have 3) which are running FC4. I can (as root) su - > someaccount at the FC5 K12 server and become the user. However, trying to log > in as the user, I get authentication denied. Used the authentication GUI to > change add LDAP as the authentication mechanism (?). I have disabled SELinux > and rebooted, but nothing seems to work. > > > > At a loss for what the issue is. > > > > Sincerely, > > Dave Hopkins > > Newark Charter School > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From phanh at canby.k12.or.us Mon Jul 17 21:40:44 2006 From: phanh at canby.k12.or.us (Hung Phan) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:40:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] TESA session error In-Reply-To: <44B82EF1.1080607@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <60CAE19E-0148-4703-BB1B-94876AB2CA57@canby.k12.or.us> <44B82EF1.1080607@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <99ACCE2A-1D35-4A95-BF49-C291FCFF88BE@canby.k12.or.us> Hi, Eric. Unfortunately, I test with another server and receive the same message "/content/kiosk.xul cannot be found". Have anyone run into the same issue in the last couple of days? I hope it is just the download connection but it doesn't seem like it since it's been dl several times on several servers. On Jul 14, 2006, at 4:55 PM, Eric Harrison wrote: > Hung Phan wrote: >> Hi, all >> >> I had installed Eric's TESA session before and it worked, but we have >> problem with it on the new server. I'm using K12LTSP 4.4.1release >> (the >> same release). When I download the TESA, receive the error:chrome >> registration failed. When I login under TESA session, receive >> "/content/kiosk.xul cannot be found". > > Perhaps the download from TESA failed or was otherwise corrupted? > > Run the installer again, it won't hurt to run it more than once. > >> The session just end there until i reset the system. > > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace will do the trick as well. > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Jul 17 21:48:55 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:48:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT a bit: WPKG to install software "remotely" to windows pc's Message-ID: <44BC05C7.2050803@paasda.org> http://wpkg.org/ Does anyone here use this? If so, to what extent? With K12LTSP and Samba I've been able to provide a good stable network for Macs/PC's/and thin clients in various labs throughout the school with centralized authentication..it's groovy.. Currently I image the XP machines with Ghost...but often mid-year a teacher will want software 'XYZ' installed to 'enhance' their curriculum. I'm hoping WPKG could be the answer to that, but I don't know enough about the diff profiles it refers to in the documentation. From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Tue Jul 18 05:49:15 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:49:15 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] JackPC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1153201755.15414.63.camel@susey.bushpig> On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 06:54 +1200, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > Any thoughts about this thin client. Sounds promising, but it seems > bound to windows at present. > http://www.chippc.com/press/release/pr13.asp > You must be new to the list, this was discussed at length a few months back (possibly in two different threads) ;-) Upshot is that it's no good for linux terminal servers. Sigh. Someone may hack the hardware in future, but no reports of success yet. Gavin From gumprechtm at msad3.org Tue Jul 18 10:57:39 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 06:57:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] edubuntu Message-ID: <44BCBEA3.60409@msad3.org> I'm probably dense on this one, but .... Does Edubuntu (dapper) work out of the box for booting clients? I've tried to follow the many howtos, but seem to come up short in a different place every time. Is there a straight forward howto some one has? Thanks for any help. Mark -- ?Mark Gumprecht MSAD3 Unity, Maine 04988 gumprechtm at msad3.org From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Jul 18 14:10:08 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:10:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] squidguard and ldap Message-ID: <9bd317560607180710g188bcd69hcea53ef61643c4ad@mail.gmail.com> could someone who's set up squidguard with different types of blocking based on ldap group send me some .conf files to learn from? or point me in the right direction? ultimately what I'd like is to block personal email during business hours. and filter the students all the time (of course). It seems like all the information regarding ldap and squid is for granting access based on group. (ie. if your not in this group - no access) not different rulesets based on group. it would be nice to get logging per user but that's not the main objective. Hopefully all this would be transparent to the user. Is there a way to automatically authenticate with credentials passed on from the shell or does one have to use a logon script that can grab the proper stuff? Thanks! Peter From tkathan at charter.net Tue Jul 18 15:31:37 2006 From: tkathan at charter.net (Jim Kathan) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 8:31:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID issues with K12 5 RC1 Message-ID: <1237730434.1153236697797.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> Greetings everyone; first time posting. Beta release candidate 12 seems to work fine upon install, but RC1, whether its the 32 or 64-bit (I tried both) crashes once installation has finished and reboots. The specific error from the 64-bit version was: "kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init! kernel direct mapping tables up to 320000000 @ 8000-8000". When I installed the 32-bit version of RC1, I did not get this same error, but received this one: "request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-0000". I googled both errors and most of the results talked about Fedora 5 and RAID issues. Now whats interesting is that even when I attempted to reinstall a fresh version of Beta 12, it was still getting the same crash ("request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-0000"), but only on the thin clients and not on the server. I suspected the MBR had been corrupted by the 64-bit install prior, so I completely killed all partitions and MBR and wiped the drive as if it was fresh out of the box (using Knoppix Qtparted for those who care :). This fixed it. So after all that, I am suggesting that RC1 has some issue properly reading RAID controllers, and the 64-bit version corrupts the MBR if it has this particular issue, so that even removing the main linux partitions and reinstalling fresh won't help unless you kill the MBR as well. I hope this post didn't take up too much of your time, and I hope we can get some resolution. Please email me for further info or if I can help in any way. Thanks! P.S. I have an Intel SRC16 RAID controller. Further info on error(s): it was also saying: "sda: asking for cache data failed; sda: assuming drive cache: write through; sda: asking for cache data failed; sda: assuming drive cache: write through". From julius at turtle.com Tue Jul 18 16:00:31 2006 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] scanner not found Message-ID: Dear Folks, I am trying to connect a Canon scanner to a terminal (k12 v5, ltsp 4.2) but xsane says "no devices found". Am I missing something very obvious? Thank you, julius From tlegge at rogers.com Tue Jul 18 15:59:37 2006 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] scanner not found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060718155937.72713.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Dear Folks, > I am trying to connect a Canon scanner to a > terminal (k12 v5, ltsp > 4.2) but xsane says "no devices found". Am I > missing something very > obvious? Did you see: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Scanners Tim From julius at turtle.com Tue Jul 18 18:29:57 2006 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] scanner not found In-Reply-To: <20060718155937.72713.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Timothy Legge wrote: > > --- Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > Dear Folks, > > I am trying to connect a Canon scanner to a > > terminal (k12 v5, ltsp > > 4.2) but xsane says "no devices found". Am I > > missing something very > > obvious? > > Did you see: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Scanners > > Tim Tim, thank you. Now that I've seen it, I applied it, but still no joy. Scanner not found even with the environmental variable set (as in Troubleshooting). julius From henryhartley at westat.com Tue Jul 18 19:12:13 2006 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:12:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] scanner not found In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320DA90@MAILBE2.westat.com> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >> On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Timothy Legge wrote: >> > --- Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >> > > I am trying to connect a Canon scanner to a >> > > terminal (k12 v5, ltsp 4.2) but xsane says >> > > "no devices found". Am I missing something very >> > > obvious? >> > >> > Did you see: >> > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Scanners >> >> Tim, thank you. Now that I've seen it, I applied it, but still no >> joy. Scanner not found even with the environmental variable set >> (as in Troubleshooting). Have you checked to make sure the scanner is supported? Does it work on a stand-alone machine? I have a Canon scanner that I have yet to get working with SANE. http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-CANON -- Henry From julius at turtle.com Tue Jul 18 19:40:49 2006 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] scanner not found In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320DA90@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Henry Hartley wrote: > Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > >> On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Timothy Legge wrote: > >> > --- Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > >> > > I am trying to connect a Canon scanner to a > >> > > terminal (k12 v5, ltsp 4.2) but xsane says > >> > > "no devices found". Am I missing something very > >> > > obvious? > >> > > >> > Did you see: > >> > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Scanners > >> > >> Tim, thank you. Now that I've seen it, I applied it, but still no > >> joy. Scanner not found even with the environmental variable set > >> (as in Troubleshooting). > > Have you checked to make sure the scanner is supported? Does it work > on a stand-alone machine? I have a Canon scanner that I have yet to > get working with SANE. > > http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-CANON > > -- > Henry > Henry, you've hit it right on. The scanner i was playing with is not supported, the moment I plugged in an old Canon Lide scanner, all was forgiven. Thank you, julius From robert.pogson at gmail.com Tue Jul 18 20:06:29 2006 From: robert.pogson at gmail.com (pogson) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:06:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: edubuntu In-Reply-To: <20060718160023.94A1C73345@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060718160023.94A1C73345@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1153253189.6521.215.camel@beast> Edubuntu has a very slick installation. For me it is lead, follow or get out of the way. Some points that may help: * select server installation * When it asks the meaningless question, "What is your primary network device?", they should ask, "Through what network device do you connect to the Internet?" * You should have at least two ethernet devices and they should be plugged into something that will turn on your link lights, like routers, switches or thin clients. The device connecting to the Internet needs to be live to finish the installation and to download. You can select a local mirror if you do not have live internet access. * If your primary device has IP address 192.168.0.x you need to manually configure stuff. * if your device connecting to the lan can be 192.168.0.254 and your thin clients, 192.168.0.x, you are laughing. My record was 20 minutes from power on to booting the first client by PXE with no special configuration. It was all automatic... Slick. In nework terms you want the local subnet with thin clients to be 192.168.0.0 My advice is that you should conspire with your router to make eth0 some other subnet than 192.168.0.0 and EdUbuntu will do everything automatically. It is much easier to hack the one DHCP setting on the router, or setting a fixed IP address for eth0 than reconfiguring all the networking for the lan. Think hours of time saved and perhaps doing it again sometime. > From: Mark Gumprecht > Subject: [K12OSN] edubuntu > I'm probably dense on this one, but .... Does Edubuntu (dapper) work > out > of the box for booting clients? I've tried to follow the many howtos, > but seem to come up short in a different place every time. Is there a > straight forward howto some one has? > Thanks for any help. > Mark > -- A problem is an opportunity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Jul 18 20:08:24 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:08:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] edubuntu In-Reply-To: <44BCBEA3.60409@msad3.org> References: <44BCBEA3.60409@msad3.org> Message-ID: <44BD3FB8.3050601@sau14.k12.nh.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mark, The answer in short is no. I would say Edubuntu still needs some work before it will be fit for production environments. If you would like to use Ubuntu as your base distro and use LTSP on top of it then I recommend a tutorial I wrote located here: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Documentation It is called ltspguide.pdf. I have received numerous emails that it has been very helpful in setting up LTSP on Ubuntu. However, the document is currently under revision due to newer releases of LTSP (4.2 update 1 and 2). It should still be a good guideline for you and get you started though. - -Paul Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I'm probably dense on this one, but .... Does Edubuntu (dapper) > work out of the box for booting clients? I've tried to follow the > many howtos, but seem to come up short in a different place every > time. Is there a straight forward howto some one has? Thanks for > any help. Mark > - -- Paul VanGundy Director of Technology Epping School District P: 603.686.6801 F: 603.679.2196 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEvT+4f0NSpn4hXr4RAk8JAJwJsx1OtexARspupBoNF+DJnqnLSACfd/lb id6d7RXLwFl6p+03m1enCTQ= =yl06 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jul 18 23:23:45 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:23:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5.0.0 Release Candidate #2 Message-ID: <44BD6D81.5070101@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> K12LTSP 5.0.0 release candidate #2 has been uploaded. This build includes a new kernel and the Fl_Teachertool update. Hopefully the kernel update will fix the various RAID card issues reported. I will be mostly off-line for the next week and a half. If no major issues crop up before then, we'll be ready for the official release. Please give this build a very thorough test and report any and all issues that you see. The repositories have been updated, if you have an earlier beta installed you can simply run "yum update". Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . -Eric From tkathan at charter.net Wed Jul 19 05:56:12 2006 From: tkathan at charter.net (Jim Kathan) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:56:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID issues with K12 RC1 Message-ID: <000001c6aaf8$0ac03da0$4000a8c0@themm> This is primarily for Eric. The 64-bit RAID driver in the 64-bit version of FC5 within K12 is really old and outdated, from 2004, I believe. But even when I attempted to slip in the newest, I still received the same issues as before, but this time, it got to formatting 99% of the drive and then froze. I can get you the exact error if you like. I will try the RC2 tomorrow. Thanks for all the hard work! Jim Kathan Vista Verde K12 project Snowline School District Phelan, CA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pnelson.us Wed Jul 19 06:35:24 2006 From: paul at pnelson.us (Paul Nelson) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:35:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-Moodle Howto Message-ID: <44BDD2AC.5030106@pnelson.us> Hello Folks, I created a step by step howto for installing Moodle on the new K12LTSP 5.0. Moodle was the most popular application at the NECC open source area. http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/K12LTSP-Moodle%20Howto My wiki formatting leaves much to be desired but my main goal is to have some kind of document that a newbie could blindly follow and get Moodle up and running after a basic K12LTSP install. My two concerns are 1) Does it work? 2) Will the install be safe and avoid obvious pitfalls. Please take a look and edit to improve and clarify. ;-) Paul From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jul 19 07:05:10 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] RAID issues with K12 RC1 In-Reply-To: <000001c6aaf8$0ac03da0$4000a8c0@themm> References: <000001c6aaf8$0ac03da0$4000a8c0@themm> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Jim Kathan wrote: > This is primarily for Eric. > > The 64-bit RAID driver in the 64-bit version of FC5 within K12 is really old > and outdated, from 2004, I believe. But even when I attempted to slip in the > newest, I still received the same issues as before, but this time, it got to > formatting 99% of the drive and then froze. I can get you the exact error if > you like. I will try the RC2 tomorrow. Thanks for all the hard work! If it freezed during installation, then RC2 won't make a difference to you :-( The Fedora Unity Project is building re-spun versions of FC5 that use a newer kernel for the installer: http://fedoraunity.org/ The only download link I saw was for BitTorrent, so I hope you know how to use that ;-) In theory (I have not tested this in a while, so I may miss a step or two...), you can do an install off of stock FC5 discs (or the re-spun Fedora Unity discs) and manually set the K12LTSP network defaults: eth0: 192.168.0.254/255.255.255.0 eth1: dhcp (or whatever static IP you have for your network) After the OS install completes, download and install the k12ltsp-release package. Currently that is: wget ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/x86_64/Fedora/RPMS/k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0d.noarch.rpm rpm -ihv k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0d.noarch.rpm The install the K12LTSP meta-packages: yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-education k12ltsp-extras After the these packages and their dependancies are installed, run this script: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize and finally reboot. If all the magic worked, you should now have a K12LTSP server. -Eric From timothy.hart at gmail.com Wed Jul 19 13:36:38 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:36:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-Moodle Howto In-Reply-To: <44BDD2AC.5030106@pnelson.us> References: <44BDD2AC.5030106@pnelson.us> Message-ID: <464c38cc0607190636q4aef5d9clb46377a0b23ecddb@mail.gmail.com> Paul, That is great. It will come in handy in a class I am teaching. Thanks for the up front work. Tim On 7/19/06, Paul Nelson wrote: > Hello Folks, > > I created a step by step howto for installing Moodle on the new K12LTSP > 5.0. Moodle was the most popular application at the NECC open source area. > > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/K12LTSP-Moodle%20Howto > > My wiki formatting leaves much to be desired but my main goal is to have > some kind of document that a newbie could blindly follow and get Moodle > up and running after a basic K12LTSP install. > > My two concerns are 1) Does it work? 2) Will the install be safe and > avoid obvious pitfalls. > > Please take a look and edit to improve and clarify. > > ;-) Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Wed Jul 19 13:59:38 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:59:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-Moodle Howto In-Reply-To: <44BDD2AC.5030106@pnelson.us> References: <44BDD2AC.5030106@pnelson.us> Message-ID: <44BE3ACA.6090001@maltzen.net> Paul- Great how-to! I took the liberty of fixing some typos and making a some formatting changes to make it more consistent. Also, I think there's supposed to be a screenshot at the end of the second-to-last step, as indicated by the words "directory.moodle screenshot", but it doesn't appear. Petre Paul Nelson wrote: > Hello Folks, > > I created a step by step howto for installing Moodle on the new K12LTSP > 5.0. Moodle was the most popular application at the NECC open source area. > > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/K12LTSP-Moodle%20Howto > > My wiki formatting leaves much to be desired but my main goal is to have > some kind of document that a newbie could blindly follow and get Moodle > up and running after a basic K12LTSP install. > > My two concerns are 1) Does it work? 2) Will the install be safe and > avoid obvious pitfalls. > > Please take a look and edit to improve and clarify. > > ;-) Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jul 19 14:03:51 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:03:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-Moodle Howto In-Reply-To: <44BDD2AC.5030106@pnelson.us> References: <44BDD2AC.5030106@pnelson.us> Message-ID: <20060719134857.M67365@winonacotter.org> > My two concerns are 1) Does it work? 2) Will the install be safe > and avoid obvious pitfalls. > > Please take a look and edit to improve and clarify. I am up and running with it. Wow, I've been meaning to check out moodle and this was the perfect opportunity. I can't believe how much configuration is involved after setup. That said, the tutorial was great. A couple of suggestions here: Step 4 - add in to do a "chkconfig httpd on" and "chkconfig mysqld on". That way the first time they reboot the server they won't wonder why their Moodle is broke. Step 5 - It may be a hair confusing for a newbie, maybe not. But the first three parameters in php.ini are set using On and Off not 1 and 0. I realize that it most likely doesn't matter which format is used, but to a newbie the difference may be enough to shut them down :-) Step 6 - The first path to httpd.conf is missing a /conf. Is /etc/httpd/httpd.conf, should be /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf. The second reference is correct. Step 11 - Maybe a qualifier for the *'s. I could see a newbie typing them in :-) Step 13 - May want to include a step to exit mysql before going to step 14 and issuing "mysqladmin -p reload". If they don't exit they may wonder why it doesn't work. Step 16 - Maybe point out to make the necessary change from the default for "Set Data Directory" since we put it one level higher in the howto. And then maybe a little help on the database configuration page since to a newbie some of this may be greek to them. The addition of a couple of screenshots could make these next few steps a little less confusing for them. Anyhow, thanks to you I now have a new Moodle server to play with on my Test K12LTSP 5 box. Thanks for your work! -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From tkathan at charter.net Wed Jul 19 14:31:36 2006 From: tkathan at charter.net (Jim Kathan) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 7:31:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID issues with K12 RC1 Message-ID: <828689552.1153319496537.JavaMail.root@fepweb03> GThanks Eric, I will give it a shot. Enjoy your vacation! :) --- Eric Harrison wrote: > On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Jim Kathan wrote: > > > This is primarily for Eric. > > > > The 64-bit RAID driver in the 64-bit version of FC5 within K12 is really old > > and outdated, from 2004, I believe. But even when I attempted to slip in the > > newest, I still received the same issues as before, but this time, it got to > > formatting 99% of the drive and then froze. I can get you the exact error if > > you like. I will try the RC2 tomorrow. Thanks for all the hard work! > > If it freezed during installation, then RC2 won't make a difference to you :-( > > > The Fedora Unity Project is building re-spun versions of FC5 that use a > newer kernel for the installer: http://fedoraunity.org/ > > The only download link I saw was for BitTorrent, so I hope you know how > to use that ;-) > > In theory (I have not tested this in a while, so I may miss a step or two...), > you can do an install off of stock FC5 discs (or the re-spun Fedora Unity > discs) and manually set the K12LTSP network defaults: > > eth0: 192.168.0.254/255.255.255.0 > eth1: dhcp (or whatever static IP you have for your network) > > After the OS install completes, download and install the k12ltsp-release > package. Currently that is: > > wget ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/x86_64/Fedora/RPMS/k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0d.noarch.rpm > > rpm -ihv k12ltsp-release-5.0.0-0d.noarch.rpm > > > The install the K12LTSP meta-packages: > > yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-education k12ltsp-extras > > After the these packages and their dependancies are installed, run this > script: > > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize > > and finally reboot. > > If all the magic worked, you should now have a K12LTSP server. > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From karisue at gmail.com Wed Jul 19 14:26:12 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:26:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Moodle gradebook Message-ID: I just installed Moodle on a cpanel server and I don't see a gradebook. How do you get to it? Is it invisible until there are courses? Can you do anything w/ the grades, like make a report card or progress report? Thanks kari -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jul 19 15:03:29 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:03:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-Moodle Howto In-Reply-To: <20060719134857.M67365@winonacotter.org> References: <44BDD2AC.5030106@pnelson.us> <20060719134857.M67365@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <44BE49C1.2000807@mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> My two concerns are 1) Does it work? 2) Will the install be safe >> and avoid obvious pitfalls. >> >> Please take a look and edit to improve and clarify. > > I am up and running with it. Wow, I've been meaning to check out moodle and > this was the perfect opportunity. I can't believe how much configuration is > involved after setup. > > That said, the tutorial was great. A couple of suggestions here: Jim, it's a wiki. Edit it. ;-) > Step 4 - add in to do a "chkconfig httpd on" and "chkconfig mysqld on". That > way the first time they reboot the server they won't wonder why their Moodle > is broke. The "System >> Administration >> Services tool will do that and is referenced in #4. > Step 5 - It may be a hair confusing for a newbie, maybe not. But the first > three parameters in php.ini are set using On and Off not 1 and 0. I realize > that it most likely doesn't matter which format is used, but to a newbie the > difference may be enough to shut them down :-) Left this alone. > Step 6 - The first path to httpd.conf is missing a /conf. > Is /etc/httpd/httpd.conf, should be /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf. The second > reference is correct. Did that. > Step 11 - Maybe a qualifier for the *'s. I could see a newbie typing them in :-) Don't understand... The only asterisk present in #11 is in the GRANT statement, which is required to apply to all tables in the moodle database. > Step 13 - May want to include a step to exit mysql before going to step 14 and > issuing "mysqladmin -p reload". If they don't exit they may wonder why it > doesn't work. The "quit" is there in #11. > Step 16 - Maybe point out to make the necessary change from the default for > "Set Data Directory" since we put it one level higher in the howto. Done. > And then > maybe a little help on the database configuration page since to a newbie some > of this may be greek to them. The addition of a couple of screenshots could > make these next few steps a little less confusing for them. Or just a pointer to the moodle.org docs, which are quite good also. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From haynest at mchsi.com Wed Jul 19 16:01:23 2006 From: haynest at mchsi.com (haynest at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:01:23 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Moodle gradebook Message-ID: <071920061601.22240.44BE575300065A18000056E0219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF9B9C0A02970E08@mchsi.com> Try this as a sample class I restored and sanitized (removed student names, etc.) This will let you see the gradebook as a student. http://thaynes.org/moodle/course/view.php?id=2 Username is 'student1' Password is 'student1' Regards... Tom > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Kari Matthews" Subject: [K12OSN] Moodle gradebook Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:42:30 +0000 Size: 1357 URL: From k12ltsp at hermon.net Wed Jul 19 16:41:56 2006 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:41:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Configuration Empty LTSP 5.0 RC2 Message-ID: Hi everyone, I went to update our elementary school LTSP server to LTSP 5.0.0, and in the process, I noticed that the /etc/dhcpd.conf file is empty! It doesn't appear that the configuration is controlled here anymore. I have DHCP enties which I must have configured on our server for some terminals to login automatically. Does anyone know where the actual dhcp configuration now resides? I also went ahead and posted the DHCP reservations from the old server into /etc/dhcpd.conf, but they were never loaded and the boxes are grabbing different IP's. Any help would be appreciated! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alan Owen Recent Hermon High School Graduate (Class of '02) Hermon Information Services/Hermon School Department "Using Technology to Empower All Students to Succeed in a Changing World." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From k12ltsp at hermon.net Wed Jul 19 16:51:24 2006 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:51:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Configuration Empty Issue Resolved Message-ID: I found the issue. There's a different DHCP configuration file called /etc/dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf I placed the reservations in there and it's working now! All Set. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alan Owen Recent Hermon High School Graduate (Class of '02) Hermon Information Services/Hermon School Department "Using Technology to Empower All Students to Succeed in a Changing World." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From robark at gmail.com Wed Jul 19 17:45:43 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:45:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID issues with K12 5 RC1 In-Reply-To: <1237730434.1153236697797.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> References: <1237730434.1153236697797.JavaMail.root@fepweb13> Message-ID: If this is a scsi controller try bumping it down from 320 to 160 and also check to see you have disabled any type of HOST raid feature in the bios if it's really not hardware raid. Also you could try the EL version of K12LTSP a shot. On 7/18/06, Jim Kathan wrote: > > Greetings everyone; first time posting. > Beta release candidate 12 seems to work fine upon install, but RC1, > whether its the 32 or 64-bit (I tried both) crashes once installation has > finished and reboots. > The specific error from the 64-bit version was: > "kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init! kernel direct mapping > tables up to 320000000 @ 8000-8000". > When I installed the 32-bit version of RC1, I did not get this same error, > but received this one: "request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-0000". > I googled both errors and most of the results talked about Fedora 5 and RAID > issues. > Now whats interesting is that even when I attempted to reinstall a fresh > version of Beta 12, it was still getting the same crash ("request_module: > runaway loop modprobe binfmt-0000"), but only on the thin clients and not on > the server. I suspected the MBR had been corrupted by the 64-bit install > prior, so I completely killed all partitions and MBR and wiped the drive as > if it was fresh out of the box (using Knoppix Qtparted for those who care > :). This fixed it. > So after all that, I am suggesting that RC1 has some issue properly > reading RAID controllers, and the 64-bit version corrupts the MBR if it has > this particular issue, so that even removing the main linux partitions and > reinstalling fresh won't help unless you kill the MBR as well. > I hope this post didn't take up too much of your time, and I hope we can > get some resolution. Please email me for further info or if I can help in > any way. > Thanks! > > P.S. I have an Intel SRC16 RAID controller. > Further info on error(s): > it was also saying: "sda: asking for cache data failed; sda: assuming > drive cache: write through; sda: asking for cache data failed; sda: assuming > drive cache: write through". > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robert.pogson at gmail.com Wed Jul 19 17:58:21 2006 From: robert.pogson at gmail.com (pogson) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:58:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Moodle Grade Book In-Reply-To: <20060719160022.BBBE17368F@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060719160022.BBBE17368F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1153331901.6521.256.camel@beast> On my system, when I log into the course as the course teacher, under Administration, I see a green link beside "Grades ..." on the left hand side that gives me a gradebook. It can be saved as Excel or text file. The entries can be changed by marking the student's work. I have used it to produce a marks sheet, by exporting and applying weighting in the spreadsheet. If one were smart, one would give marks that add to 100 or 1000 or 10000 for the course so the total or average would make sense. That is difficult with mid-term reports... but I just do the appropriate maths in the spreadsheet. You can use OpenOffice to import a cell from a spreadsheet using the mail/merge procedures to make a more polished report at print time. On Wed, 2006-19-07 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 14 > Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:26:12 -0500 > From: "Kari Matthews" > Subject: [K12OSN] Moodle gradebook > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I just installed Moodle on a cpanel server and I don't see a > gradebook. How > do you get to it? Is it invisible until there are courses? Can you > do > anything w/ the grades, like make a report card or progress report? > > Thanks > kari -- A problem is an opportunity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jul 19 18:29:08 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:29:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] More Moodle :-) Complete School Site? Message-ID: <20060719182324.M6597@winonacotter.org> Well I have poked around Moodle quite a bit today. Looks like it is very much based around courses and managing the courses. From what I see it isn't exactly practical to see this as a complete web site solution, more of an augmentation to an existing setup or strictly course management, would that be an accurate assessment? >From what I see it is missing a general article style module, such one to use for a homepage or for department pages. Not really anything like a photo gallery module either. For a complete website these type of modules would be needed. So I guess my question is am I missing something or some parts, or is this really simply intended for course management with a ton of bells and whistles along that line? Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jul 19 18:31:19 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:31:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP-Moodle Howto In-Reply-To: <44BE49C1.2000807@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44BDD2AC.5030106@pnelson.us> <20060719134857.M67365@winonacotter.org> <44BE49C1.2000807@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060719182922.M30689@winonacotter.org> > Jim, it's a wiki. Edit it. ;-) Yeah, I know :-) I just don't like stepping on peoples toes. Hard to get used that format for me. Thanks for making the changes, after re-reading I see I have an enourmous tendancy to jump and skip ahead so I missed some of the things you pointed out. The tutorial is great. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From karisue at gmail.com Wed Jul 19 18:32:48 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:32:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] More Moodle :-) Complete School Site? In-Reply-To: <20060719182324.M6597@winonacotter.org> References: <20060719182324.M6597@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: This is my evaluation as well. I'm using it as a link from the main website so that teachers can better communicate with parents re: student grades and such. What I REALLY need is a web-based gradebook solution from which I can run report cards. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. ~kari On 7/19/06, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Well I have poked around Moodle quite a bit today. Looks like it is very > much > based around courses and managing the courses. From what I see it isn't > exactly practical to see this as a complete web site solution, more of an > augmentation to an existing setup or strictly course management, would > that be > an accurate assessment? > > >From what I see it is missing a general article style module, such one to > use > for a homepage or for department pages. Not really anything like a photo > gallery module either. For a complete website these type of modules would > be > needed. > > So I guess my question is am I missing something or some parts, or is this > really simply intended for course management with a ton of bells and > whistles > along that line? > > Thanks > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- *-*-*-*-*-* blog.karimatthews.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Jul 19 19:55:55 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:55:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] More Moodle :-) Complete School Site? Message-ID: <20060719125555.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.e6e8c402e0.wbe@email.secureserver.net> There is a great web based application called Centre, www.miller-group.net . It can do grade books and a whole lot more. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us "try to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are" > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] More Moodle :-) Complete School Site? > From: "Kari Matthews" > Date: Wed, July 19, 2006 1:32 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > This is my evaluation as well. I'm using it as a link from the main website so that teachers can better communicate with parents re: student grades and such. > > What I REALLY need is a web-based gradebook solution from which I can run report cards. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > ~kari > > > > > > On 7/19/06, Jim Kronebusch wrote: Well I have poked around Moodle quite a bit today. Looks like it is very much > based around courses and managing the courses. From what I see it isn't > exactly practical to see this as a complete web site solution, more of an > augmentation to an existing setup or strictly course management, would that be > an accurate assessment? > > >From what I see it is missing a general article style module, such one to use > for a homepage or for department pages. Not really anything like a photo > gallery module either. For a complete website these type of modules would be > needed. > > So I guess my question is am I missing something or some parts, or is this > really simply intended for course management with a ton of bells and whistles > along that line? > > Thanks > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > -- > *-*-*-*-*-* > blog.karimatthews.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Jul 19 21:40:08 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:40:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] libesddsp error Message-ID: <9bd317560607191440g4a5e02b5s662a83bad76d9370@mail.gmail.com> Whenever i launch a terminal I get these errors: ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/libesd.so.0' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/libesddsp.so.0' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. I'm going to be needing esddsp pretty soon so I'm hoping I get this ironed out. Any Ideas? Thank you! Peter From tkathan at charter.net Wed Jul 19 21:56:34 2006 From: tkathan at charter.net (Jim Kathan) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:56:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] add users to global group? Message-ID: <1829265333.1153346194435.JavaMail.root@fepweb07> stupid question; I'm still fairly new to K12LTSP and Fedora. How do I add users to a specified group that grants execution rights to multimedia devices within the /dev/ folder, such as the dsp, the mixer, the cdrom? I've noticed that with a fresh install, it seems terminal users are not allowed access to the sound devices? You try to stream sound via the internet, play local wav sounds, or play the cd player on the server, and the message is "device in use or is locked: access denied" (or was it permission denied?) A temp workaround was I did a chmod 755 /dev/dsp and chmod 755 /dev/hdc, etc. and then it worked on the terminals. I don't know why execution rights are locked out to 99% of all users with a default install. Yes I know this is more a general linux/fedora question, but I have been asking in those chat rooms for more than a week straight and no one will tell me how. Will some nice, friendly, and generous user on this forum, with alot of patience, help me do this? Thanks! From tkathan at charter.net Wed Jul 19 21:56:44 2006 From: tkathan at charter.net (Jim Kathan) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:56:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] add users to global group? Message-ID: <1477795388.1153346204154.JavaMail.root@fepweb07> stupid question; I'm still fairly new to K12LTSP and Fedora. How do I add users to a specified group that grants execution rights to multimedia devices within the /dev/ folder, such as the dsp, the mixer, the cdrom? I've noticed that with a fresh install, it seems terminal users are not allowed access to the sound devices? You try to stream sound via the internet, play local wav sounds, or play the cd player on the server, and the message is "device in use or is locked: access denied" (or was it permission denied?) A temp workaround was I did a chmod 755 /dev/dsp and chmod 755 /dev/hdc, etc. and then it worked on the terminals. I don't know why execution rights are locked out to 99% of all users with a default install. Yes I know this is more a general linux/fedora question, but I have been asking in those chat rooms for more than a week straight and no one will tell me how. Will some nice, friendly, and generous user on this forum, with alot of patience, help me do this? Thanks! From tkathan at charter.net Wed Jul 19 21:56:39 2006 From: tkathan at charter.net (Jim Kathan) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:56:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] add users to global group? Message-ID: <285988844.1153346199559.JavaMail.root@fepweb07> stupid question; I'm still fairly new to K12LTSP and Fedora. How do I add users to a specified group that grants execution rights to multimedia devices within the /dev/ folder, such as the dsp, the mixer, the cdrom? I've noticed that with a fresh install, it seems terminal users are not allowed access to the sound devices? You try to stream sound via the internet, play local wav sounds, or play the cd player on the server, and the message is "device in use or is locked: access denied" (or was it permission denied?) A temp workaround was I did a chmod 755 /dev/dsp and chmod 755 /dev/hdc, etc. and then it worked on the terminals. I don't know why execution rights are locked out to 99% of all users with a default install. Yes I know this is more a general linux/fedora question, but I have been asking in those chat rooms for more than a week straight and no one will tell me how. Will some nice, friendly, and generous user on this forum, with alot of patience, help me do this? Thanks! From tkathan at charter.net Wed Jul 19 21:56:47 2006 From: tkathan at charter.net (Jim Kathan) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:56:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] add users to global group? Message-ID: <342130206.1153346207140.JavaMail.root@fepweb07> stupid question; I'm still fairly new to K12LTSP and Fedora. How do I add users to a specified group that grants execution rights to multimedia devices within the /dev/ folder, such as the dsp, the mixer, the cdrom? I've noticed that with a fresh install, it seems terminal users are not allowed access to the sound devices? You try to stream sound via the internet, play local wav sounds, or play the cd player on the server, and the message is "device in use or is locked: access denied" (or was it permission denied?) A temp workaround was I did a chmod 755 /dev/dsp and chmod 755 /dev/hdc, etc. and then it worked on the terminals. I don't know why execution rights are locked out to 99% of all users with a default install. Yes I know this is more a general linux/fedora question, but I have been asking in those chat rooms for more than a week straight and no one will tell me how. Will some nice, friendly, and generous user on this forum, with alot of patience, help me do this? Thanks! From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Wed Jul 19 22:14:44 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:14:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] More Moodle :-) Complete School Site? In-Reply-To: References: <20060719182324.M6597@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1153347284.2993.16.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Wed, 2006-07-19 at 13:32 -0500, Kari Matthews wrote: > This is my evaluation as well. I'm using it as a link from the main > website so that teachers can better communicate with parents re: > student grades and such. > > What I REALLY need is a web-based gradebook solution from which I can > run report cards. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Have you looked at OpenAdmin? http://richtech.ca/openadmin > > > ~kari > > > > > On 7/19/06, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Well I have poked around Moodle quite a bit today. Looks like > it is very much > based around courses and managing the courses. From what I > see it isn't > exactly practical to see this as a complete web site solution, > more of an > augmentation to an existing setup or strictly course > management, would that be > an accurate assessment? > > >From what I see it is missing a general article style module, > such one to use > for a homepage or for department pages. Not really anything > like a photo > gallery module either. For a complete website these type of > modules would be > needed. > > So I guess my question is am I missing something or some > parts, or is this > really simply intended for course management with a ton of > bells and whistles > along that line? > > Thanks > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > -- > *-*-*-*-*-* > blog.karimatthews.com > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From scott at hosef.org Wed Jul 19 23:50:24 2006 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:50:24 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Kudos to Daniel and William and the K12LTSP Message-ID: <44BEC540.3040303@hosef.org> http://business.newsforge.com/business/06/07/10/2115242.shtml?tid=37&tid=138 "Two parent volunteers at an Atlanta district school have revolutionized technology use there by replacing Windows workstations with Linux on thin clients, using K12LTSP." Many of you have followed the progress of Morris Brandon Elementary and the work of William and Daniel. I sure have. It is great to see so much progress after a year of parental involvement in a school. Yes, folks, you really can change the world if you decide to. --scott From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Jul 20 01:58:17 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:58:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Kudos to Daniel and William and the K12LTSP Message-ID: <20060719185817.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.8713eaa5ef.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Great job in taking a concept and turning it into results! Congrats! Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] Kudos to Daniel and William and the K12LTSP > From: "R. Scott Belford" > Date: Wed, July 19, 2006 6:50 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > , schoolforge-discuss at schoolforge.net > > http://business.newsforge.com/business/06/07/10/2115242.shtml?tid=37&tid=138 > > "Two parent volunteers at an Atlanta district school have revolutionized > technology use there by replacing Windows workstations with Linux on > thin clients, using K12LTSP." > > > Many of you have followed the progress of Morris Brandon Elementary and > the work of William and Daniel. I sure have. It is great to see so > much progress after a year of parental involvement in a school. Yes, > folks, you really can change the world if you decide to. > > --scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From thepiano at telenet.be Thu Jul 20 09:22:05 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:22:05 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] nx, rdp and edusoft Message-ID: <07E0B359-0C46-4477-BDF1-8F5503CFB22E@telenet.be> Hello, I'm having an offtopic question about the use af tunneled rdp requests through nx. At our school (pilot project) we're running k12ltsp in the whole school, with the use of an added windows term server. As i'm living in Belgium we cannot simply leave the windows-edu-soft right now, cause most of the linuxedusoft is English only, and only a few are in dutch. (yes, we are translating ;-) At this moment we're testing out if it would be possible to put all of our edusoft on a windows TS rackserver in a datacenter, so anyone can access those apps when needen, from within all schools of our community. It would definitly need less hands-on like having 10 TS servers in our schools.... (The schools all have ADSL 3800down/512up) The connection would be made thourgh an additional FreeNX server, for compression of the whole bunch ;-) Has anyone ever tried such a setup? Suggestions? Recommendations? Any help would be greatly appreciated ;-) Greetz Kevin Verheyen Sysadmin Sint-Lutgardisschool Schelle Belgium http://sint-lutgardis.be From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Jul 20 15:30:43 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:30:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldab script Message-ID: <20060720083043.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f61eb38284.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Does the smb/ldap script work with K12LTSP 5 ? Thanks Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jul 20 17:25:27 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:25:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldab script In-Reply-To: <20060720083043.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f61eb38284.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20060720083043.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f61eb38284.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20060720172308.M60801@winonacotter.org> Hello Ron, I tried to respond to your email directly but was rejected with the following. Anyhow if you read down you can see the answer to the question you emailed me personally. If possible, let me know what SPAM tool you are using that detected us as a spammer, I would like to get that resolved. It looks like you are using GoDaddy as your host or another reseller since the rejection came from secureserver. Thanks -----------original messages------------- This is the Postfix program at host file.winonacotter.org. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The Postfix program : host smtp.secureserver.net[64.202.166.12] said: 553 204.248.118.* rejected due to spam, contact 480-505-8877 (Attack detected from pool 204.248.118.47) (in reply to RCPT TO command) Final-Recipient: rfc822; rmcdaniel at indata.us Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; host smtp.secureserver.net[64.202.166.12] said: 553 204.248.118.* rejected due to spam, contact 480-505-8877 (Attack detected from pool 204.248.118.47) (in reply to RCPT TO command) From: "Jim Kronebusch" To: rmcdaniel at indata.us Subject: Re: ldap webmin Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:56:03 -0500 On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:45:29 -0700, rmcdaniel wrote > Jim, > > Have you been able to post or do you have a link to the old > documentation for making the ldap/webmin stuff work? The only documentation I had was my old post. I will put that below. There was one new change that needed to be done and I think is in a recent post from Peter Hartman but I can't remember it off hand. Here you go: > You can add/modify/delete users and groups from the LDAP Users and > groups module. Below I will show my settings for the module as > configured for version 2.0-alpha of the smb/ldap installer scripts. The > add users via batch section is all that needs work now. It appears to > leave out the Samba account options when run. I emailed Jamie Cameron > to see if he can let me know how to make this work. Anyhow with the > settings below I am able to login via Linux, via a OSX LDAP enabled > machine, and join a Windows Machine to the domain and login. I will > list only fields where I have made changes from the default. This is > also with the newest stable version of webmin. Disk quotas will also be > able to be managed via the Webmin Disk Quota module, provided that under > the Disk and Network Filesystems you have enable User or Group quotas, > and subsequently enabled Disk Quotas under the Disk Quotas module. > > Also in discussion with Jamie Cameron I was informed that the variables > ${USER} and ${UID} can be used to substitute username and user id > respectively anywhere in the webmin module configuration. > > Here goes: > > Linux LDAP NSS library config file: /etc/ldap.conf > Bind to LDAP server as: cn=manager,dc=yourdomain,dc=org > Credentials for bind name above: On first access click Set to and enter > your smb/ldap password as set during script installation, after first > entry leave set to Don't change > Base for users: ou=Users,dc=yourdomain,dc=org > Base for groups: ou=Groups,dc=yourdomain,dc=org > Other objectClasses to add to new users: top inetOrgPerson > Full path to slappasswd program: /usr/sbin/slappasswd > LDAP properties for all new users: sn: ${USER} > Lowest UID for new users: 1000 > Default primary group for new users: Domain Users > Default secondary groups for new users: Domain Users > Default shell for new users: /bin/bash > LDAP object class for Samba users: sambaSamAccount > Enabled Samba account by default?: Yes > Domain SID for Samba3: S-1-5-21-699950680-3956470712-3012135405 (Please > use your own sambaSID here :-) > LDAP properties for new Samba users: > sambaLogonScript: startup.bat > sambaProfilePath: \\YOURDOMAIN-PDC\profiles\${USER} > sambaHomePath: \\YOURDOMAIN-PDC\homes\${USER} > sambaHomeDrive: X: > LDAP object class for Samba groups: sambaGroupMapping > > Well I hope that helps others out to get webmin working. For now this > will at least work with using the command line bulk-add scripts to add > the largest population, then webmin for smaller changes. I will post > out if I get a fix from Jamie. Or if anyone else tries this let me know > if you can get the batch import to work. > > Also I found that to get default OSX settings out you can create a > Library folder in /etc/skel and copy the files you want to default into > that folder. Say you create a custom dock you can take Macintosh > HD:Users:test user:Library:Preferences:com.apple.dock.plist and move it > to /etc/skel/Library/Preferences/com.apple.dock.plist on the linux > server and all new users will receive the custom dock. > > Also since OSX and Linux use the same desktop folder and same /home by > default I will try to create scripts make the windows desktop point to > /home/user/desktop and to point My Documents to /home/user. This should > make profile roaming seamless between Ops. I think I can for the most > part use the scripts posted in the last couple weeks. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Jul 20 18:13:15 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:13:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldab script In-Reply-To: <20060720083043.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f61eb38284.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20060720083043.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f61eb38284.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." on Thursday, July 20, 2006 at 11:30 AM +0000 wrote: >Does the smb/ldap script work with K12LTSP 5 ? yes it does ! :-) > > >Thanks > >Ron > >Ronald R. McDaniel >Conecuh County Schools >(251) 578-7073 x26 >(251) 238-1890 cell >1*4238*104 SouthernLinc >rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Jul 20 18:13:15 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:13:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldab script In-Reply-To: <20060720083043.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f61eb38284.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20060720083043.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f61eb38284.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." on Thursday, July 20, 2006 at 11:30 AM +0000 wrote: >Does the smb/ldap script work with K12LTSP 5 ? yes it does ! :-) > > >Thanks > >Ron > >Ronald R. McDaniel >Conecuh County Schools >(251) 578-7073 x26 >(251) 238-1890 cell >1*4238*104 SouthernLinc >rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Jul 20 18:14:31 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:14:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldab script In-Reply-To: References: <20060720083043.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f61eb38284.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <,> Message-ID: "Support list for open source software in schools." on Thursday, July 20, 2006 at 2:13 PM +0000 wrote: >"Support list for open source software in schools." on >Thursday, July 20, 2006 at 11:30 AM +0000 wrote: >>Does the smb/ldap script work with K12LTSP 5 ? > >yes it does ! :-) >> Get the new version at Matt's site at http://www.majen.net/smbldap > >> >>Thanks >> >>Ron >> >>Ronald R. McDaniel >>Conecuh County Schools >>(251) 578-7073 x26 >>(251) 238-1890 cell >>1*4238*104 SouthernLinc >>rmcdaniel at indata.us >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Director >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Jul 20 19:36:01 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:36:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Repositiries for FC1 Message-ID: I have aFC1 server that is still running fine here but I reied to add MySQL to it and it can;t find repositiroes. . . How and where do I fix this? Thanks Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 20 19:46:08 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:46:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Repositiries for FC1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44BFDD80.2080303@mesd.k12.or.us> Doug Simpson wrote: > I have aFC1 server that is still running fine here but I reied to add > MySQL to it and it can;t find repositiroes. . . > How and where do I fix this? What does "yum list mysql-server" say? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Jul 20 19:48:22 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:48:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Repositiries for FC1 In-Reply-To: <44BFDD80.2080303@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44BFDD80.2080303@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Following is return. . . Unable to find pid Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Released Updates Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers Looking in Available Packages: Name Arch Version Repo --------------------------------------------------------------------------------mysql-server i386 3.23.58-4 base Looking in Installed Packages: Name Arch Version Repo Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, Dan Young wrote: > Doug Simpson wrote: > > I have aFC1 server that is still running fine here but I reied to add > > MySQL to it and it can;t find repositiroes. . . > > How and where do I fix this? > > What does "yum list mysql-server" say? > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 20 19:51:30 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:51:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Repositiries for FC1 In-Reply-To: References: <44BFDD80.2080303@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44BFDEC2.8030507@mesd.k12.or.us> Doug Simpson wrote: > Looking in Available Packages: > Name Arch Version Repo > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > mysql-server i386 3.23.58-4 base Looks available; what does "yum install mysql-server" do? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Jul 20 19:54:34 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:54:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Repositiries for FC1 In-Reply-To: <44BFDEC2.8030507@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44BFDD80.2080303@mesd.k12.or.us> <44BFDEC2.8030507@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Yes, but the repositories fail when it starts to get it. . . same with apt. . . says it is available, but repositories fail. Thanks Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, Dan Young wrote: > Doug Simpson wrote: > > Looking in Available Packages: > > Name Arch Version Repo > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mysql-server i386 3.23.58-4 base > > Looks available; what does "yum install mysql-server" do? > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jul 20 19:56:15 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:56:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Repositiries for FC1 In-Reply-To: References: <44BFDD80.2080303@mesd.k12.or.us> <44BFDEC2.8030507@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44BFDFDF.5090904@mesd.k12.or.us> Doug Simpson wrote: > Yes, but the repositories fail when it starts to get it. . . Fail how? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Jul 20 19:56:39 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:56:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Repositiries for FC1 In-Reply-To: References: <44BFDD80.2080303@mesd.k12.or.us> <44BFDEC2.8030507@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Apparently, yum install mysql don't work. . . ya gotta do the whole schmo. . .yum install mysql-server. . . Working that way. . . Sorry to have bothered ya! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, Doug Simpson wrote: > Yes, but the repositories fail when it starts to get it. . . > > same with apt. . . says it is available, but repositories fail. > > Thanks > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, Dan Young wrote: > > > Doug Simpson wrote: > > > Looking in Available Packages: > > > Name Arch Version Repo > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > mysql-server i386 3.23.58-4 base > > > > Looks available; what does "yum install mysql-server" do? > > > > -- > > Dan Young > > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > > 503-257-1562 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Thu Jul 20 20:52:18 2006 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:52:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldap performance Message-ID: Our school network has about 3000 users and I am running red hat es 3.0 ,openldap-2.1.22-8, samba 3.0.22 and smbltap tools 0.8.5 as a samba pdc. My goal before school starts is to improve performance of adding users with webmin. The server at max might have 200 users accessing it at once for file and print sharing and authentication. The current server hardware for the smb/ldap pdc is on is a Compaq Proliant 7000 dual xeon PII 450MHZ /2mb cache with 3GB of ram which I plan to move the ldap and samba pdc to a Dell Poweredge 2850 dual 2.8GhZ with 4GB of ram. This change alone should improve performance of webmin when adding users that are members of 2 or more groups. But, what I would like to find out is anybody on this list running a smb/ldap server with 3000 users using webmin to create users and getting good performance out of webmin when adding users with two or more groups associated with the user your creating? For example I can add a user and it takes a 1 minute or 2 just to create a user when you click create. This has become frustrating for my helpers and me when creating accounts. Also, I would like some help with my slapd.conf and see if I got my settings optimized for my setup. Slapd.conf include /etc/openldap/schema/core.schema include /etc/openldap/schema/cosine.schema include /etc/openldap/schema/inetorgperson.schema include /etc/openldap/schema/nis.schema include /etc/openldap/schema/samba3.schema access to attrs=userPassword,sambaNTPassword,sambaLMPassword,sambaPwdLastSet,samba PwdMustChange by dn="cn=samba,ou=DSA,dc=somewhere,dc=net" write by dn="cn=smbldap-tools,ou=DSA,dc=somewhere,dc=net" write by dn="cn=nssldap,ou=DSA,dc=somewhere,dc=net" write by self write by anonymous auth by * none # some attributes need to be readable anonymously so that 'id user' can answer correctly access to attrs=objectClass,entry,gecos,homeDirectory,uid,uidNumber,gidNumber,cn,m emberUid,loginshell by dn="cn=samba,ou=DSA,dc=somewhere,dc=net" write by dn="cn=smbldap-tools,ou=DSA,dc=somewhere,dc=net" write by * read # somme attributes can be writable by users themselves access to attrs=description,telephoneNumber by dn="cn=samba,ou=DSA,dc=somewhere,dc=net" write by dn="cn=smbldap-tools,ou=DSA,dc=somewhere,dc=net" write by self write by * read # some attributes need to be writable for samba access to attrs=cn,sambaLMPassword,sambaNTPassword,sambaPwdLastSet,sambaLogonTime, sambaLogoffTime,sambaKickoffTime,sambaPwdCanChange,sambaPwdMustChange,sa mbaAcctFlags,displayName,sambaHomePath,sambaHomeDrive,sambaLogonScript,s ambaProfilePath,description,sambaUserWorkstations,sambaPrimaryGroupSID,s ambaDomainName,sambaSID,sambaGroupType,sambaNextRid,sambaNextGroupRid,sa mbaNextUserRid,sambaAlgorithmicRidBase by dn="cn=samba,ou=DSA,dc=somewhere,dc=net" write by dn="cn=smbldap-tools,ou=DSA,dc=somewhere,dc=net" write by self read by * none # samba need to be able to create the samba domain account access to dn.base="dc=somewhere,dc=net" by dn="cn=samba,ou=DSA,dc=somewhere,dc=net" write by dn="cn=smbldap-tools,ou=DSA,dc=somewhere,dc=net" write by * none # samba need to be able to create new users account access to dn="ou=Users,dc=somewhere,dc=net" by dn="cn=samba,ou=DSA,dc=somewhere,dc=net" write by dn="cn=smbldap-tools,ou=DSA,dc=somewhere,dc=net" write by * none # this can be omitted but we leave it: there could be other branch # in the directory access to attrs=userPassword,sambaLMPassword,sambaNTPassword by self write by anonymous auth by * none access to * by * read ####################################################################### # ldbm database definitions ####################################################################### database ldbm suffix "dc=somewhere,dc=net" #suffix "o=My Organization Name,c=US" rootdn "cn=Manager,dc=somewhere,dc=net" rootpw {SSHA}rCWryJIyAP66u64ALA6gRREQ7j2bJH0T directory /var/lib/ldap #performance mods loglevel 256 sizelimit 100000 cachesize 100000 dbcachesize 30000000 # Indices to maintain index objectClass,uidNumber,gidNumber eq index cn,sn,uid,displayName pres,sub,eq index memberUid,mail,givenname eq,subinitial index sambaSID,sambaPrimaryGroupSID,sambaDomainName eq Thanks in advance! -Glenn From robert.pogson at gmail.com Thu Jul 20 23:47:08 2006 From: robert.pogson at gmail.com (pogson) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:47:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 29, Issue 25 In-Reply-To: <20060720160020.B0C21738E2@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060720160020.B0C21738E2@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1153439228.6521.335.camel@beast> If your marks are generated by Moodle, export as a spreadsheet and then use the spread sheet as a data source to do a mail-merge with OpenOffice. You define a rport card template document and merge it with the data page by page. It is a rather wierd interface. You do not get to see the results until they are printed or you view a postcript file on screen. On Thu, 2006-20-07 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > What I REALLY need is a web-based gradebook solution from which I can > run > report cards. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > -- A problem is an opportunity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Fri Jul 21 03:11:34 2006 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:11:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] success stories? Message-ID: <92de6c880607202011q6736a725p293098dec4ece8df@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Got a question from eSchool News editor Corey Murray today: "we wanted to ask whether you know of any schools, or districts in particular that (a) have successfully moved to an open source platform or, conversely (b) have struggled in attempts to do so." That's pretty much a FAQ on this list, but I don't know the answer off the top of my head. Can anyone point us in the right direction? Please cc: cmurray at eschoolnews.com in your reply. Thanks lazyweb! --Tom From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jul 21 04:02:03 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:02:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] success stories? In-Reply-To: <92de6c880607202011q6736a725p293098dec4ece8df@mail.gmail.com> References: <92de6c880607202011q6736a725p293098dec4ece8df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: We have! We're a K12LTSP school! thin clients all over the place and free software galore! Tom can hook you up with me if you'd like to talk "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >Hi all, > >Got a question from eSchool News editor Corey Murray today: > >"we wanted to ask whether you know of any schools, or districts in >particular that (a) have successfully moved to an open source platform >or, conversely (b) have struggled in attempts to do so." > >That's pretty much a FAQ on this list, but I don't know the answer off >the top of my head. Can anyone point us in the right direction? > >Please cc: cmurray at eschoolnews.com in your reply. > >Thanks lazyweb! > >--Tom > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jul 21 04:02:03 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:02:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] success stories? In-Reply-To: <92de6c880607202011q6736a725p293098dec4ece8df@mail.gmail.com> References: <92de6c880607202011q6736a725p293098dec4ece8df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: We have! We're a K12LTSP school! thin clients all over the place and free software galore! Tom can hook you up with me if you'd like to talk "Support list for open source software in schools." writes: >Hi all, > >Got a question from eSchool News editor Corey Murray today: > >"we wanted to ask whether you know of any schools, or districts in >particular that (a) have successfully moved to an open source platform >or, conversely (b) have struggled in attempts to do so." > >That's pretty much a FAQ on this list, but I don't know the answer off >the top of my head. Can anyone point us in the right direction? > >Please cc: cmurray at eschoolnews.com in your reply. > >Thanks lazyweb! > >--Tom > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Jul 21 05:49:28 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:49:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] success stories? In-Reply-To: <92de6c880607202011q6736a725p293098dec4ece8df@mail.gmail.com> References: <92de6c880607202011q6736a725p293098dec4ece8df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/20/06, Tom Hoffman wrote: > Hi all, > > Got a question from eSchool News editor Corey Murray today: > > "we wanted to ask whether you know of any schools, or districts in > particular that (a) have successfully moved to an open source platform > or, conversely (b) have struggled in attempts to do so." > Don't forget Mike Huffman in Indiana. Steve -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.K12OpenSource.com (Public Wiki) www.SupportBlogging.com (Public Wiki) From brr at brr.no Fri Jul 21 06:32:17 2006 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:32:17 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Tuxpaint missing... Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060721083102.025deb30@brr.no> Hello. Tried K12LTSP 5.0.0 32 bit RC2. One thing I noticed is that Tuxpaint is missing. Had to install it with yum install tuxpaint Bjorn Roger Rasmussen *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen (http://www.brr.no/) From thepiano at telenet.be Fri Jul 21 11:10:20 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:10:20 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] success stories? In-Reply-To: References: <92de6c880607202011q6736a725p293098dec4ece8df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43717BB0-9AA6-4A0E-8C2E-08E57B953C84@telenet.be> We are an open source school too !!! Kevin Op 21-jul-06, om 07:49 heeft Steve Hargadon het volgende geschreven: > On 7/20/06, Tom Hoffman wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Got a question from eSchool News editor Corey Murray today: >> >> "we wanted to ask whether you know of any schools, or districts in >> particular that (a) have successfully moved to an open source >> platform >> or, conversely (b) have struggled in attempts to do so." >> > > Don't forget Mike Huffman in Indiana. > > Steve > -- > Steve Hargadon > steve at hargadon.com > 916-899-1400 direct > > www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) > www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) > www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) > www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) > www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) > www.K12OpenSource.com (Public Wiki) > www.SupportBlogging.com (Public Wiki) > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Fri Jul 21 12:28:44 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] success stories? In-Reply-To: <43717BB0-9AA6-4A0E-8C2E-08E57B953C84@telenet.be> References: <92de6c880607202011q6736a725p293098dec4ece8df@mail.gmail.com> <43717BB0-9AA6-4A0E-8C2E-08E57B953C84@telenet.be> Message-ID: <41918.70.52.116.87.1153484924.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> There was an excellent story on Newsforge on Wednesday. This is one of those that gave me goose bumps while reading. Here's the link: http://business.newsforge.com/business/06/07/10/2115242.shtml?tid=37&tid=138 Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Fri, July 21, 2006 7:10 am, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > We are an open source school too !!! > > Kevin > > > > Op 21-jul-06, om 07:49 heeft Steve Hargadon het volgende geschreven: > >> On 7/20/06, Tom Hoffman wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Got a question from eSchool News editor Corey Murray today: >>> >>> "we wanted to ask whether you know of any schools, or districts in >>> particular that (a) have successfully moved to an open source >>> platform >>> or, conversely (b) have struggled in attempts to do so." >>> >> >> Don't forget Mike Huffman in Indiana. >> >> Steve >> -- >> Steve Hargadon >> steve at hargadon.com >> 916-899-1400 direct >> >> www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) >> www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) >> www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) >> www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) >> www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) >> www.K12OpenSource.com (Public Wiki) >> www.SupportBlogging.com (Public Wiki) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From timothy.hart at gmail.com Fri Jul 21 15:25:41 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:25:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Best Week Ever (My NELS Wrapup) Message-ID: <464c38cc0607210825p2ac84dcdq3bcee9131ae4be4e@mail.gmail.com> I just had the best week ever. As many of you know the NorthEast Linux Symposium in NH started and ended this week. I was looking forward to it as I have never had the chance to attend ME NELS in the past (I always end up teaching at UMaine that week). I meet many people from all over who were as geeky about OS as I am. The first night I sat and had a couple of beers with Jon "maddog" Hall, Dave Trask, Matt Oquist, Dick Clark (no not that Dick Clark) and a very bright high school student interested in programming as a career. I sit back now and wonder where else I would have a chance to sit down at one table with a group like. The conversations were amazing. NELS offered everyone a chance to meet people the only know through email. I know I put a face to at least 10 people I knew from online. I left NELS on wednesday an inspired man. The air at NELS was electric and I have so many ideas for next year that I am not going to get to half of them. My school already has a pretty big deployment of K12LTSP boxes and open source is an integral part of what we do in Glenburn, but I want to keep pushing to make sure the district doesn't sit on laurels. Seeing what others are doing and their excitement about OS has charged me to no end. I have to thank everyone I met and had conversations with. Thanks to Dave and Matt for putting on such a great conference. Literally the best conference EVER. I hope in the future we can get one going for every state in the union. And if that wasn't enough. I get home and find out my wife is pregnant. I AM GOING TO BE A FATHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! With all this week has brought I haven't been able to sleep as my brain will just not shutdown. Like I said best week ever. Thanks again to everyone at NELS. Here's to next year. Tim Hart Glenburn School District -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Petre Huck wrote: > I have some old P1 machines with about 32 megs of ram and 4 MB pci video > cards, the network cards don't pxe boot, so I was thinking of installing > Damn Small Linux, and having them do the 'query the xserver' trick like > the Macs running Yellowdog do... > > does this seem feasible or am I likely to be just wasting time? > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Fri Jul 21 16:06:03 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:06:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] xquery In-Reply-To: <44C0F710.4040303@paasda.org> References: <44C0F710.4040303@paasda.org> Message-ID: On 7/21/06, Huck wrote: > > I have some old P1 machines with about 32 megs of ram and 4 MB pci video > cards, the network cards don't pxe boot, so I was thinking of installing > Damn Small Linux, and having them do the 'query the xserver' trick like > the Macs running Yellowdog do... > > does this seem feasible or am I likely to be just wasting time? > > --Huck If they already have hard drives then you could try this http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3ABooting%3AClient%3ALiLo this is how my clients boot. _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at hosef.org Fri Jul 21 17:44:13 2006 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:44:13 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] success stories? In-Reply-To: <92de6c880607202011q6736a725p293098dec4ece8df@mail.gmail.com> References: <92de6c880607202011q6736a725p293098dec4ece8df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44C1126D.5000100@hosef.org> Tom Hoffman wrote: > Hi all, > > Got a question from eSchool News editor Corey Murray today: > > "we wanted to ask whether you know of any schools, or districts in > particular that (a) have successfully moved to an open source platform > or, conversely (b) have struggled in attempts to do so." > We have certainly made a lot of progress here in Hawaii, and I or anyone that we have served would be happy to speak with you. I know our DOE is one of the first to offer Linux+ certification at the K12 level, and there is acceptance of Linux and FOSS all the way up to our State Superintendent. A charitable non-profit, HOSEF, has been the catalyst in accelerating the adoption. > > --Tom --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/Executive Director The Hawai`i Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 2644 Ewa Beach, HI 96706 808.689.6518 phone/fax scott at hosef.org From william at fragakis.com Fri Jul 21 18:20:15 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:20:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] xquery In-Reply-To: <20060721160025.E60957372D@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060721160025.E60957372D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1153506015.29127.26.camel@server.ltsp> Use etherboot floppies. Or, if they boot off CD-ROM, etherboot cd or thinstation CD. I'm not sure where it's located in K12LTSP 5.0 (I'd think in the same place but instructions on copying to a floppy and the image are in /tftpboot/lts/boot/bootroms/ the easy way is to plop a floppy into a server, open a terminal window and paste the following in: cp /tftpboot/lts/boot/bootroms/ebnet522.dsk /dev/fd0 DSL isn't anywhere as easy to start and use as the above - at least for me. regards, William On Fri, 2006-07-21 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 23 > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:47:28 -0700 > From: Huck > Subject: [K12OSN] xquery > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <44C0F710.4040303 at paasda.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I have some old P1 machines with about 32 megs of ram and 4 MB pci > video > cards, the network cards don't pxe boot, so I was thinking of > installing > Damn Small Linux, and having them do the 'query the xserver' trick > like > the Macs running Yellowdog do... > > does this seem feasible or am I likely to be just wasting time? > > --Huck > > From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Jul 21 19:10:31 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:10:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] David Thornburg Live on the Web Thursday Evening In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This Thursday evening, July 27th, at 5:00pm PDT (8:00pm EDT), Miguel Guhlin and I will be inaugurating our new series of webcasts on Open Source Software in K-12 schools. Our guest on our first show will be David Thornburg, who has just published a new book entitled "When the Best Is Free: an educator's perspective on open source software." Dr. Thornburg is an extremely popular speaker, and drew a standing-room-only crowd at our NECC Open Source Pavilion when he spoke. Information on this webcast, and future ones, is available on the www.K12OpenSource.com wiki in the "Interviews" section. Our goal is to collect a series of recorded audio interviews that will give new users of Open Source software a quick introduction to the technologies that interest them. Please request or recommend future speakers or topics in the "suggestions" part of that section, which can also be located by clicking here: http://k12opensource.wikispaces.com/Interviews The webcast intervew with Dr. Thornburg will be 55 minutes long, of which the last 15 minutes will be open for question and answer. To listen to the webcast real-time, or to participate in the Q & A portion, you will need to download and configure Skype (www.skype.com), and then click on the Skypecast link when you are ready to join in: https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=19813 To leave Dr. Thornburg a question before the interview, go to the www.K12OpenSource.com wiki, click on "Interviews" from the menu to the left, and then click on Dr. Thornburg's name under July 27th; or click here: http://k12opensource.wikispaces.com/Thornburg+Podcast Here's hoping this series will be helpful! Steve -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.K12OpenSource.com (Public Wiki) www.SupportBlogging.com (Public Wiki) From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Fri Jul 21 20:55:24 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:55:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] success stories? In-Reply-To: <41918.70.52.116.87.1153484924.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> References: <92de6c880607202011q6736a725p293098dec4ece8df@mail.gmail.com> <43717BB0-9AA6-4A0E-8C2E-08E57B953C84@telenet.be> <41918.70.52.116.87.1153484924.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: <1153515324.3488.8.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Fri, 2006-07-21 at 08:28 -0400, Jim McQuillan wrote: > There was an excellent story on Newsforge on Wednesday. This is one of > those that gave me goose bumps while reading. > > Here's the link: > > http://business.newsforge.com/business/06/07/10/2115242.shtml?tid=37&tid=138 > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > Just wait 'till you what is happening in Atlanta next :) The real thing that is needed is to get some hard statistics on academic performance, make the K12LTSP switch and then test again. Daniel Howard managed to pull some numbers from the big test score (the CRCT) and compared Brandon to 3 other schools with very similar demographics. The other 3 were neck-and-neck and Brandon was trailing them all before the Thin-Client infusion/invasion. The stats changed dramatically after a year of thin-clients. Brandon took the lead from the other 3 by a nearly 35% jump ahead (from nearly 20% behind the year before)!! > > On Fri, July 21, 2006 7:10 am, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > > We are an open source school too !!! > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > Op 21-jul-06, om 07:49 heeft Steve Hargadon het volgende geschreven: > > > >> On 7/20/06, Tom Hoffman wrote: > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> Got a question from eSchool News editor Corey Murray today: > >>> > >>> "we wanted to ask whether you know of any schools, or districts in > >>> particular that (a) have successfully moved to an open source > >>> platform > >>> or, conversely (b) have struggled in attempts to do so." > >>> > >> > >> Don't forget Mike Huffman in Indiana. > >> > >> Steve > >> -- > >> Steve Hargadon > >> steve at hargadon.com > >> 916-899-1400 direct > >> > >> www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) > >> www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) > >> www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) > >> www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) > >> www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) > >> www.K12OpenSource.com (Public Wiki) > >> www.SupportBlogging.com (Public Wiki) > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jam at mcquil.com Fri Jul 21 20:58:04 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] success stories? In-Reply-To: <1153515324.3488.8.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <92de6c880607202011q6736a725p293098dec4ece8df@mail.gmail.com> <43717BB0-9AA6-4A0E-8C2E-08E57B953C84@telenet.be> <41918.70.52.116.87.1153484924.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <1153515324.3488.8.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <56315.70.52.116.87.1153515484.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Fri, July 21, 2006 4:55 pm, James P. Kinney III wrote: > On Fri, 2006-07-21 at 08:28 -0400, Jim McQuillan wrote: >> There was an excellent story on Newsforge on Wednesday. This is one of >> those that gave me goose bumps while reading. >> >> Here's the link: >> >> http://business.newsforge.com/business/06/07/10/2115242.shtml?tid=37&tid=138 >> >> Jim McQuillan >> jam at Ltsp.org >> >> > Just wait 'till you what is happening in Atlanta next :) > > The real thing that is needed is to get some hard statistics on academic > performance, make the K12LTSP switch and then test again. Daniel Howard > managed to pull some numbers from the big test score (the CRCT) and > compared Brandon to 3 other schools with very similar demographics. The > other 3 were neck-and-neck and Brandon was trailing them all before the > Thin-Client infusion/invasion. The stats changed dramatically after a > year of thin-clients. Brandon took the lead from the other 3 by a nearly > 35% jump ahead (from nearly 20% behind the year before)!! So, from that data, can we deduce that k12ltsp makes kids smarter? Or maybe it would be better to say that k12ltsp doesn't get in the way of learning, like some other operating systems do. Jim. > >> >> On Fri, July 21, 2006 7:10 am, Kevin Verheyen wrote: >> > We are an open source school too !!! >> > >> > Kevin >> > >> > >> > >> > Op 21-jul-06, om 07:49 heeft Steve Hargadon het volgende geschreven: >> > >> >> On 7/20/06, Tom Hoffman wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >> >>> >> >>> Got a question from eSchool News editor Corey Murray today: >> >>> >> >>> "we wanted to ask whether you know of any schools, or districts in >> >>> particular that (a) have successfully moved to an open source >> >>> platform >> >>> or, conversely (b) have struggled in attempts to do so." >> >>> >> >> >> >> Don't forget Mike Huffman in Indiana. >> >> >> >> Steve >> >> -- >> >> Steve Hargadon >> >> steve at hargadon.com >> >> 916-899-1400 direct >> >> >> >> www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) >> >> www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) >> >> www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) >> >> www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) >> >> www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) >> >> www.K12OpenSource.com (Public Wiki) >> >> www.SupportBlogging.com (Public Wiki) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> K12OSN mailing list >> >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >> For more info see >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > -- > James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ > CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / > Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / > 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) > > Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 > From cliebow at midmaine.com Sat Jul 22 01:20:49 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Best Week Ever (My NELS Wrapup) In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0607210825p2ac84dcdq3bcee9131ae4be4e@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0607210825p2ac84dcdq3bcee9131ae4be4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47970.70.33.151.214.1153531249.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> next year...i gotta break away ....somehow > I just had the best week ever. > > As many of you know the NorthEast Linux Symposium in NH started and ended > this week. I was looking forwardw to it as I have never had the chance to > attend ME NELS in the past (I always end up teaching at UMaine that week). > I > meet many people from all over who were as geeky about OS as I am. The > first > night I sat and had a couple of beers with Jon "maddog" Hall, Dave Trask, > Matt Oquist, Dick Clark (no not that Dick Clark) and a very bright high > school student interested in programming as a career. I sit back now and > wonder where else I would have a chance to sit down at one table with a > group like. The conversations were amazing. > > NELS offered everyone a chance to meet people the only know through email. > I > know I put a face to at least 10 people I knew from online. > > I left NELS on wednesday an inspired man. The air at NELS was electric and > I > have so many ideas for next year that I am not going to get to half of > them. > My school already has a pretty big deployment of K12LTSP boxes and open > source is an integral part of what we do in Glenburn, but I want to keep > pushing to make sure the district doesn't sit on laurels. Seeing what > others > are doing and their excitement about OS has charged me to no end. > > I have to thank everyone I met and had conversations with. Thanks to Dave > and Matt for putting on such a great conference. Literally the best > conference EVER. I hope in the future we can get one going for every state > in the union. > > And if that wasn't enough. I get home and find out my wife is pregnant. I > AM > GOING TO BE A FATHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! With all this week has brought I > haven't > been able to sleep as my brain will just not shutdown. > > Like I said best week ever. Thanks again to everyone at NELS. Here's to > next > year. > > Tim Hart > Glenburn School District > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Sat Jul 22 00:19:42 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:19:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5 RC2 64-bit Fl_TeacherTool Broadcast Message-ID: <1153527582.29439.62.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Hi all. I have been configuring a dual Opteron system as the server and ran up on some glitches in the Fl_TeacherTool setup (up to and including v.34). On the instructions page, several libs are copied into the /opt/ltsp/.. space for the clients to use. I found that the line: #cp /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/ will cause all of the vnc-related tools to fail on the 64-bit version. I will be testing the 32-bit this weekend. I reverted back to my saved lib (Good call on that! ) and noticed the lib sizes were tremendously different. I still have not been able to see anything happen other than a password box appear on the teacher and client machines when testing the Broadcast function. One last note: The screen shots on the web site show client data of user, host, MB and PIDS. But on v.34 I get IP address instead of host. I thought the Instructional Technology guy I was with today was going start dancing when we launched firefox with the exact desired website onto nearly 24 machines at once! There were 3 systems that the launch did not happen on. Still investigating. Very nice tool! -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. 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Best kari On 7/21/06, Timothy Hart wrote: > > I just had the best week ever. > > As many of you know the NorthEast Linux Symposium in NH started and ended > this week. I was looking forward to it as I have never had the chance to > attend ME NELS in the past (I always end up teaching at UMaine that week). I > meet many people from all over who were as geeky about OS as I am. The first > night I sat and had a couple of beers with Jon "maddog" Hall, Dave Trask, > Matt Oquist, Dick Clark (no not that Dick Clark) and a very bright high > school student interested in programming as a career. I sit back now and > wonder where else I would have a chance to sit down at one table with a > group like. The conversations were amazing. > > NELS offered everyone a chance to meet people the only know through email. > I know I put a face to at least 10 people I knew from online. > > I left NELS on wednesday an inspired man. The air at NELS was electric and > I have so many ideas for next year that I am not going to get to half of > them. My school already has a pretty big deployment of K12LTSP boxes and > open source is an integral part of what we do in Glenburn, but I want to > keep pushing to make sure the district doesn't sit on laurels. Seeing what > others are doing and their excitement about OS has charged me to no end. > > I have to thank everyone I met and had conversations with. Thanks to Dave > and Matt for putting on such a great conference. Literally the best > conference EVER. I hope in the future we can get one going for every state > in the union. > > And if that wasn't enough. I get home and find out my wife is pregnant. I > AM GOING TO BE A FATHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! With all this week has brought I > haven't been able to sleep as my brain will just not shutdown. > > Like I said best week ever. Thanks again to everyone at NELS. Here's to > next year. > > Tim Hart > Glenburn School District > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- *-*-*-*-*-* blog.karimatthews.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at gmail.com Sat Jul 22 01:58:30 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:58:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 5 RC2 64-bit Fl_TeacherTool Broadcast In-Reply-To: <1153527582.29439.62.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <1153527582.29439.62.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: On 7/21/06, James P. Kinney III wrote: > > Hi all. I have been configuring a dual Opteron system as the server and > ran up on some glitches in the Fl_TeacherTool setup (up to and including > v.34). > > On the instructions page, several libs are copied into the /opt/ltsp/.. > space for the clients to use. I found that the line: > > #cp /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/ Eric H. integrated the setup (and required modules) of fl_tt into K12LTSP 5.0. Those instructions are for versions of K12LTSP prior to 5.0. I have updated the instructions on my fl_tt site for version 5.0. A few days ago Eric posted: ==========snip========== Fl_teachertool 0.34 packages have been added to the K12LTSP 5.0 repositories. I also updated the ltsp_i386-config package to include a sample configuration for enabling the vnc control/monitor feature. After the updates, all you need to do is: 1) edit /opt/ltsp/i386/lts.conf and uncomment the "X4_MODULE_02 = vnc" line 2) run: /usr/bin/vncpasswd cp -R -p /root/.vnc /opt/ltsp/i386/root/ 3) reboot your terminals.... ====snip============= So you don't need to copy any libraries anymore with 5.0. will cause all of the vnc-related tools to fail on the 64-bit version. I > will be testing the 32-bit this weekend. I reverted back to my saved lib > (Good call on that! ) and noticed the lib sizes were tremendously > different. > > I still have not been able to see anything happen other than a password > box appear on the teacher and client machines when testing the Broadcast > function. > > One last note: The screen shots on the web site show client data of > user, host, MB and PIDS. But on v.34 I get IP address instead of host. Yes, I have not updated the screenshots. However, I can tell you switching to ip instead of hostname really made fl_tt faster. I thought the Instructional Technology guy I was with today was going > start dancing when we launched firefox with the exact desired website > onto nearly 24 machines at once! There were 3 systems that the launch > did not happen on. Still investigating. Please let me know if you find any bugs with fl_tt. Very nice tool! Thanks! :) Let us know if everything works. -- > James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ > CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / > Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / > 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. 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URL: From toddobryan at mac.com Sat Jul 22 02:39:13 2006 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 22:39:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Best Week Ever (My NELS Wrapup) In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0607210825p2ac84dcdq3bcee9131ae4be4e@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0607210825p2ac84dcdq3bcee9131ae4be4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jul 21, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Timothy Hart wrote: > I just had the best week ever. > > The first night I sat and had a couple of beers with ... a very > bright high school student interested in programming as a career. > > And if that wasn't enough. I get home and find out my wife is > pregnant. I AM GOING TO BE A FATHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How are you going to support the new baby when they fire you? Or should we assume that the high school students had root beer. :-) Todd P.S. Congrats. I, too, look forward to attending a nice Linux conference soon. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Jul 22 03:41:02 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 23:41:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Best Week Ever (My NELS Wrapup) In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0607210825p2ac84dcdq3bcee9131ae4be4e@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0607210825p2ac84dcdq3bcee9131ae4be4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Tim! That's so awesome! I remember the day (actually the moment) when my wife first told me...and also when I heard about our second as well. Being a father is a blast! Thanks for the kind words about NELS....it was indeed truly amazing. I was really pumped about the high school kids and what they did during the SchoolTool development sprint (and yes....they had root beer) ;-) Even I learned so much cool stuff....I always do. I hope to have some pics up on the NELS site in a day or two. I'm really looking forward to next year! One of the coolest things was the addition (at the last minute...actually we made the decision at Gould...a month ago) of a "Teacher Day" at UNH. The one at Gould was a resounding success and so was UNH! As I said at the conference....we need to be ready....the teachers have arrived. :-) For those who are wondering about having a conference near you....Matt and I could actually do one or two more during the summer....the biggest thing we need in any location is a relatively low-cost overnight location....such as a private school with dorms or a local university. Hotels are a possibility, but usually they're expensive. NELS is designed to be an immersive experience where you come and eat, sleep, and drink Open Source and Linux. The comraderie is amazing and the learning experience is fantastic. If you are interested in something for the next year....let us know. (soon) "Support list for open source software in schools." on Fri Jul 21 2006 at 11:25 +0000 wrote: >I just had the best week ever. > >As many of you know the NorthEast Linux Symposium in NH started and ended >this week. I was looking forward to it as I have never had the chance to >attend ME NELS in the past (I always end up teaching at UMaine that >week). I meet many people from all over who were as geeky about OS as I >am. The first night I sat and had a couple of beers with Jon "maddog" >Hall, Dave Trask, Matt Oquist, Dick Clark (no not that Dick Clark) and a >very bright high school student interested in programming as a career. I >sit back now and wonder where else I would have a chance to sit down at >one table with a group like. The conversations were amazing. > >NELS offered everyone a chance to meet people the only know through >email. I know I put a face to at least 10 people I knew from online. > >I left NELS on wednesday an inspired man. The air at NELS was electric >and I have so many ideas for next year that I am not going to get to half >of them. My school already has a pretty big deployment of K12LTSP boxes >and open source is an integral part of what we do in Glenburn, but I want >to keep pushing to make sure the district doesn't sit on laurels. Seeing >what others are doing and their excitement about OS has charged me to no >end. > >I have to thank everyone I met and had conversations with. Thanks to Dave >and Matt for putting on such a great conference. Literally the best >conference EVER. I hope in the future we can get one going for every >state in the union. > >And if that wasn't enough. I get home and find out my wife is pregnant. I >AM GOING TO BE A FATHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! With all this week has brought I >haven't been able to sleep as my brain will just not shutdown. > >Like I said best week ever. Thanks again to everyone at NELS. Here's to >next year. > >Tim Hart >Glenburn School District >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From gumprechtm at msad3.org Sat Jul 22 13:06:18 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 09:06:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT off site backup Message-ID: <44C222CA.20802@msad3.org> I use BackupPC at all my locations (6). What do some of you use for off-site backup? I recall, but can't find, someone mentioning box backup. I have tape drives, but my territory covers 440 square miles and getting people to actually remove the tapes doesn't seem to work. I have T-1 lines at all locations so on-line backup is what I am leaning toward. Any thoughts appreciated. Mark -- ?Mark Gumprecht MSAD3 Unity, Maine 04988 gumprechtm at msad3.org From thepiano at telenet.be Sat Jul 22 13:29:19 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:29:19 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] OT off site backup In-Reply-To: <44C222CA.20802@msad3.org> References: <44C222CA.20802@msad3.org> Message-ID: what about rsync with hardlinks, using rotating backups? Op 22-jul-06, om 15:06 heeft Mark Gumprecht het volgende geschreven: > I use BackupPC at all my locations (6). What do some of you use for > off-site backup? I recall, but can't find, someone mentioning box > backup. I have tape drives, but my territory covers 440 square > miles and getting people to actually remove the tapes doesn't seem > to work. I have T-1 lines at all locations so on-line backup is > what I am leaning toward. > Any thoughts appreciated. > Mark > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > MSAD3 > Unity, Maine 04988 > gumprechtm at msad3.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From gumprechtm at msad3.org Sat Jul 22 14:37:55 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:37:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT off site backup In-Reply-To: References: <44C222CA.20802@msad3.org> Message-ID: <44C23843.2030007@msad3.org> I had to do some reading to to understand the reply. http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ . I also came across rsnapshot . That looks like what I want, my only concern is when I'm away and my GUI only users need to recover files, they probable won't be able to. After googling there seems to be a gui called grsync. Mark Kevin Verheyen wrote: > what about rsync with hardlinks, using rotating backups? > > > Op 22-jul-06, om 15:06 heeft Mark Gumprecht het volgende geschreven: > >> I use BackupPC at all my locations (6). What do some of you use for >> off-site backup? I recall, but can't find, someone mentioning box >> backup. I have tape drives, but my territory covers 440 square miles >> and getting people to actually remove the tapes doesn't seem to work. >> I have T-1 lines at all locations so on-line backup is what I am >> leaning toward. >> Any thoughts appreciated. >> Mark >> >> --Mark Gumprecht >> MSAD3 >> Unity, Maine 04988 >> gumprechtm at msad3.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- ?Mark Gumprecht MSAD3 Unity, Maine 04988 gumprechtm at msad3.org From les at futuresource.com Sat Jul 22 16:00:02 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:00:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT off site backup In-Reply-To: <44C23843.2030007@msad3.org> References: <44C222CA.20802@msad3.org> <44C23843.2030007@msad3.org> Message-ID: <1153584001.20825.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2006-07-22 at 09:37, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I had to do some reading to to understand the reply. > http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ . I also came > across rsnapshot . That looks like what I want, my only concern is when > I'm away and my GUI only users need to recover files, they probable > won't be able to. After googling there seems to be a gui called grsync. > Mark Backuppc should be as efficient as these if you configure it to use rsync over ssh as the transport. Just do the first run over a weekend and make sure you have a plan to do a full restore (physically take the backup server where you need it, do an 'archivehost' tar dump to DVD's or a laptop, rebuild on swappable drives, etc.). The current version of backuppc needs to do full runs frequently but full runs don't actually copy everything, they just turn on the rsync option to to block compares on all files. This takes some extra time/cpu but not a lot more bandwidth. The next version (a beta is out) will do incremental runs based on the contents of the last incremental so it won't matter. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From gumprechtm at msad3.org Sat Jul 22 17:13:41 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:13:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT off site backup In-Reply-To: <1153584001.20825.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <44C222CA.20802@msad3.org> <44C23843.2030007@msad3.org> <1153584001.20825.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <44C25CC5.40002@msad3.org> Sounds good to me, I really like the pooling method and I have not had any problems with restoring or backing up. Mark Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-07-22 at 09:37, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > >> I had to do some reading to to understand the reply. >> http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ . I also came >> across rsnapshot . That looks like what I want, my only concern is when >> I'm away and my GUI only users need to recover files, they probable >> won't be able to. After googling there seems to be a gui called grsync. >> Mark >> > > Backuppc should be as efficient as these if you configure it > to use rsync over ssh as the transport. Just do the first > run over a weekend and make sure you have a plan to do a > full restore (physically take the backup server where you > need it, do an 'archivehost' tar dump to DVD's or a laptop, > rebuild on swappable drives, etc.). The current version > of backuppc needs to do full runs frequently but full > runs don't actually copy everything, they just turn on the > rsync option to to block compares on all files. This > takes some extra time/cpu but not a lot more bandwidth. > The next version (a beta is out) will do incremental runs > based on the contents of the last incremental so it won't > matter. > > -- ?Mark Gumprecht MSAD3 Unity, Maine 04988 gumprechtm at msad3.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhhoward at comcast.net Sat Jul 22 17:31:16 2006 From: dhhoward at comcast.net (Daniel Howard) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:31:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] success stories? Message-ID: <44C260E4.905@comcast.net> > > Just wait 'till you what is happening in Atlanta next :) > > The real thing that is needed is to get some hard statistics on academic performance, make the K12LTSP switch and then test again. Daniel Howard managed to pull some numbers from the big test score (the CRCT) and compared Brandon to 3 other schools with very similar demographics. The other 3 were neck-and-neck and Brandon was trailing them all before the Thin-Client infusion/invasion. The stats changed dramatically after a year of thin-clients. Brandon took the lead from the other 3 by a nearly 35% jump ahead (from nearly 20% behind the year before)!! >So, from that data, can we deduce that k12ltsp makes kids smarter? Or maybe it would be better to say that k12ltsp doesn't get in the way of learning, like some other operating systems do. I've compared Brandon and three similar elementary schools' test scores in '05 (pre-K12LTSP) to the scores post K12LTSP, here's the chart: http://home.comcast.net/~dhhoward/crctscores.pdf The four schools compared are similar in demographics, income and educational level of parents, and PTA support/funding. Before K12LTSP, we were the bottom of the group, and now we're the top, as well as the top scoring school in our district and third in the state. Math scores in particular were sharply up after K12LTSP was installed and all scores were sharply up in the lower grades. We'll get a chance to see if it works in 6 other schools this coming year, as they're rolling out a pilot. It will require more study, but here is what I think happened: * The students spent *a lot* more time doing math at school because the far more numerous PCs in each class allowed teachers to regularly schedule time on the First-in-Math web site (where one of our first grade classes took first in the nation and another took third place) and also teachers would put students on the PCs practicing math when they finished other activities early. * The students were able to test their reading comprehension immediately after finishing a book using the Accelerated Reader web site, whereas before they would often have to wait a week or more to be tested when their turn came up to use the computer lab. * The students did most if not all of their project work at school instead of at home since all students could access PCs easily. In fact, the 5th grade teachers had them do an inquiry-based project on the Ocean in the last two weeks of school. The teachers just turned the students loose and the students taught themselves about the ocean. The teachers said they would have never tried to do a project like that in the last two weeks of school before, but the 8-9 computers per class is what allowed them to do it. The fact that students weren't having to do it at home may have relieved stress levels of students and parents... * The students were able to practice the standardized test the week before the test using an online site provided by the state. Again, the teachers could do it in school and help students, whereas before the teachers relied on students to practice at home online. Not all kids have online access at home. This year, all students were able to practice. We have tried to download the data on our use of the online practice site, but the file is so large, the server times out every time. The other schools' data can be easily downloaded. So we can say that having all those working PCs at Brandon led to a huge increase in the amount of time our students practiced taking the state tests. So, my gut says the most important benefit that K12LTSP gave us is the ability to afford to drastically increase the number of working PCs in the classrooms, and coupled with the cable modem I had installed to drastically improve our Internet speed and reliability, the subsequent heavy use of First-in-Math, Accelerated Reader, and the state CRCT practice test web sites, is what gave us the huge jump in test results this year. I reiterate that I'm not a huge fan of all the increased testing and emphasis on test results, but it has allowed us to prove the benefits of K12LTSP in a way that district folks cannot ignore. What I cannot prove, but suspect, is that the reason our biggest test score improvements were in the early grades (K-3) is due to teachers using GCompris and ChildsPlay every day with the kids. As Jim Kinney indicated, next year we're going to really emphasize the full use open source software applications, and I'm going to see if I can get one of my colleagues at Ga Tech or Ga State University to work with us and develop some new OSS apps geared specifically to state curriculum goals. But every teacher in our school will tell you that having all those working computers in their classrooms made all the difference in academic performance, productivity, and satisfaction with technology this past year. Daniel From les at futuresource.com Sat Jul 22 17:38:46 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:38:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT off site backup In-Reply-To: <44C25CC5.40002@msad3.org> References: <44C222CA.20802@msad3.org> <44C23843.2030007@msad3.org> <1153584001.20825.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <44C25CC5.40002@msad3.org> Message-ID: <1153589926.21050.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2006-07-22 at 12:13, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Sounds good to me, I really like the pooling method and I have not had > any problems with restoring or backing up. The problem you will have with the backup offsite is that it will take days to push it back down the T1. That's not so much of a problem for the initial backup if you start it on a Friday before you go home and let it complete over the weekend. Subsequent runs with rsync should complete overnight. But you won't want to take that long if you ever have to restore a whole disk. It may never even happen, but you should have a plan to speed up the process just in case. Throwing the server in the trunk of your car and giving it local IP address where you need it is the brute force approach but with a little planing you might come up with something easier. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gumprechtm at msad3.org Sat Jul 22 17:58:48 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:58:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT off site backup In-Reply-To: <1153589926.21050.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <44C222CA.20802@msad3.org> <44C23843.2030007@msad3.org> <1153584001.20825.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <44C25CC5.40002@msad3.org> <1153589926.21050.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <44C26758.90607@msad3.org> I have a dedicated box for BackupPC on each site, Dell PE 830 (~$1500.00 Educational discount price), so I won't need to actually take the box to the site. This is a remote backup in case of catastrophic damage, hopefully it will never get used... Mark Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sat, 2006-07-22 at 12:13, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > >> Sounds good to me, I really like the pooling method and I have not had >> any problems with restoring or backing up. >> > > The problem you will have with the backup offsite is that it > will take days to push it back down the T1. That's not so > much of a problem for the initial backup if you start it on > a Friday before you go home and let it complete over the > weekend. Subsequent runs with rsync should complete overnight. > But you won't want to take that long if you ever have to > restore a whole disk. It may never even happen, but you > should have a plan to speed up the process just in case. > Throwing the server in the trunk of your car and giving > it local IP address where you need it is the brute force > approach but with a little planing you might come up with > something easier. > > -- ?Mark Gumprecht MSAD3 Unity, Maine 04988 gumprechtm at msad3.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at snarlnet.com Sat Jul 22 23:07:47 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:07:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading FC1 K12LTSP server Message-ID: <44C2AFC3.3040105@snarlnet.com> Hi, When I run yum anything on my old k12ltsp server nothing happens. Yum does its thing and reports back "no packages found for obsoletion or deletion" or "nothing needs upgrading" (paraphrasing here). What I'm thinking is that I never set it up for all the legacy stuff. I thought I had, but to no avail. Anyway, lately I've been trying "yum upgrade" thinking I could bring this thing up to date and get back into the swing of things with this server, but that's not working either. Does anyone have any suggestions about how to upgrade this box? BTW - this is my backuppc box, I installed FC1 via the k12ltsp distro though, so that's why I'm asking here. Somehow I think this complicates the "yumminess" of this box because it has the k12ltsp repos and stuff. Any thoughts? Do I need to download the isos and do a cd upgrade or is there a yum way to do this? Thanks, ck From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Sun Jul 23 02:59:27 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:59:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading FC1 K12LTSP server In-Reply-To: <44C2AFC3.3040105@snarlnet.com> References: <44C2AFC3.3040105@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <1153623567.29439.75.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Sat, 2006-07-22 at 16:07 -0700, Carl Keil wrote: > Hi, > > When I run yum anything on my old k12ltsp server nothing happens. Yum > does its thing and reports back "no packages found for obsoletion or > deletion" or "nothing needs upgrading" (paraphrasing here). What I'm > thinking is that I never set it up for all the legacy stuff. I thought > I had, but to no avail. Anyway, lately I've been trying "yum upgrade" > thinking I could bring this thing up to date and get back into the swing > of things with this server, but that's not working either. > > Does anyone have any suggestions about how to upgrade this box? BTW - > this is my backuppc box, I installed FC1 via the k12ltsp distro though, > so that's why I'm asking here. Somehow I think this complicates the > "yumminess" of this box because it has the k12ltsp repos and stuff. > > Any thoughts? Do I need to download the isos and do a cd upgrade or is > there a yum way to do this? In short, the easiest way to go is to get a CD set and upgrade from that. There are significant differences between FC1 and FC5 that make it difficult (but not impossible) to do the upgrade via yum. To upgrade via yum you will need to manually upgrade a small pile of files then manually migrates some stuff that won't happen without anaconda and then you can upgrade with yum. See: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq for some notes on how to do this. Be aware that any database you have will most likely need to be saved using its dump process and restored after the upgrade. In fact, it is a good practice to do a database dump before any upgrade of the database system(s) for both mysql and postgresql. Postgresql has a general rule that the rpm upgrade path ignores of requiring a dump->upgrade->restore cycle. > > Thanks, > > ck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have > T-1 lines at all locations so on-line backup is what I am leaning toward. > Any thoughts appreciated. > Mark > -- Les Finch From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Sun Jul 23 18:08:21 2006 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:08:21 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] success stories? In-Reply-To: <92de6c880607202011q6736a725p293098dec4ece8df@mail.gmail.com> References: <92de6c880607202011q6736a725p293098dec4ece8df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200607231408.22152.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> I like to consider our efforts with open source a success. The University of Detroit Jesuit High School and Academy is a school of about 900 students. For three years now we have used OpenOffice only on faculty and student computers. In additions our student labs are running on Linux Terminal Server Project software. We have approximately 110 linux terminals in use. Other uses of Open Source at the school include Moodle for faculty web sites, The Gimp in our art class and a linux web server with some use of PHP and MySQL. -- Thanks, John On Thursday 20 July 2006 23:11, Tom Hoffman wrote: > Hi all, > > Got a question from eSchool News editor Corey Murray today: > > "we wanted to ask whether you know of any schools, or districts in > particular that (a) have successfully moved to an open source platform > or, conversely (b) have struggled in attempts to do so." > > That's pretty much a FAQ on this list, but I don't know the answer off > the top of my head. Can anyone point us in the right direction? > > Please cc: cmurray at eschoolnews.com in your reply. > > Thanks lazyweb! > > --Tom > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ramonklown at pop.com.br Sun Jul 23 19:44:31 2006 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:44:31 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] OFF-TOPIC Ubuntu screenshot Message-ID: <56630.201.79.82.125.1153683871.squirrel@popmail8.pop.com.br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timothy.hart at gmail.com Mon Jul 24 00:35:53 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:35:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OFF-TOPIC Ubuntu screenshot In-Reply-To: <56630.201.79.82.125.1153683871.squirrel@popmail8.pop.com.br> References: <56630.201.79.82.125.1153683871.squirrel@popmail8.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <464c38cc0607231735j12c11f7aj1a1ba1bb7efca992@mail.gmail.com> Pretty. What is doing the translucent Termianl? On 7/23/06, Ramon wrote: > > > Hey Guys, wanted to hear your opinion on my ubuntu screenshot. > > http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/screenshots/verScreenshot.php?codigo=7087 > > Best, > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From kyle at caliberis.com Mon Jul 24 01:53:25 2006 From: kyle at caliberis.com (kyle at caliberis.com) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Need advice on network setup for school Message-ID: <56919.10.238.10.70.1153706005.webmail@10.238.10.70> This is my first post to this list. I posted the below message on the FedoraForum.org message board and it was suggested that I pose the question in this forum to reach people with similar needs and experiences. I'm looking for opinions on the best way to set up new servers and the network in general at a school that I do volunteer work for. Last year following the untimely demise of the Windows 2000 Server computer that served as the DC and file/print server, we successfully configured a Fedora Core 4 box as a PDC to take its place. This year we're looking to begin a shift that will eventually lead to a network in which Windows clients are the exception. The reason we want Windows clients to be the exception is primarily out of lack of funding for software licenses. The reason for "eventually" is that it will take a while to find suitable alternatives for all of the software currently running on the Windows platform. The things that I would like to be able to handle in whatever setup I end up with are: (must haves) 1) Centralized authentication and authorization - This was the main benefit we received initially from moving away from computers that were connected in a "workgroup" mode and implementing a Windows domain and allows for much better control over the management of the workstations. 2) Controlled access to Internet resources. The organization is a school and the potential exists to be held liable for situations where children access inaproppriate content if it's determined that the school did not at least attempt to put adequate controls in place. 3) Secured files - There is a subset of the documents in the organization which must be protected. 4) Reasonably sensitive management - The administrator at the school is not an IT professional and should be able to manage the day-to-day operations of the network without advanced knowledge. (would be nice) 5) Terminal services - The school has a lot of older machines that could yield additional value to the school if they were able to be utilized as thin clients. Also, I suspect that replacing machines with LTSP Terminals (available on eBay for $50-$150) would have a lot less administrative overhead than supporting a standard PC. 6) Virtualization - The move of clients to Linux could go much quicker if an environment was available in which to run those Windows applications for which no alternatives have been found if they could be run in a virtual machine. I believe that I can achieve this using the free VMWare server as a host for Windows 98 and that the licensing of the Windows operating system allows for the machine code to execute on a single machine with no restrictions of the number of instances of code that can run on the single machine. The things that I have at my disposal to implement a solution: 1) A cable Internet connection 2) A DLink broadband router - I use this because I've never been able to successfully plug a Linux machine directly into a cable modem. This also acts as a firewall and I've defined no virtual servers. 3) Three identically configured Compaq 6400R servers. These servers have 4GB RAM, three 18GB drives, and 4 500Mhz PIII Xeon processors. 4) Two network attached printers that support PostScript 5) Approximately 50 client computers at varying stages of decay ranging from 450Mhz machines with 128MB RAM (more typical) to a 2.4Ghz machine with 1GB RAM (the outlyer) 6) No money (although when all other options have been exhausted some can be located at times) I believe that my final solution will involve the following software packages: - LTSP - VMWare Server - Samba - NIS - Squid Proxy - Dan's Guardian Any thoughts, suggestions, horror stories, or reference implementations would be much appreciated! I should also mention that while I "get by" as a home user of Fedora I'm not extremely skilled or knowledgeable in Linux. From sbarar at gmail.com Mon Jul 24 02:03:49 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:33:49 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Need advice on network setup for school In-Reply-To: <56919.10.238.10.70.1153706005.webmail@10.238.10.70> References: <56919.10.238.10.70.1153706005.webmail@10.238.10.70> Message-ID: <774593a20607231903l7d7368afk8b1e7e8fd92e277b@mail.gmail.com> On 24/07/06, kyle at caliberis.com wrote: > I'm looking for opinions on the best way to set up new servers and the > network in general at a school that I do volunteer work for. Last year > following the untimely demise of the Windows 2000 Server computer that > served as the DC and file/print server, we successfully configured a > Fedora Core 4 box as a PDC to take its place. [SNIP] > > I believe that my final solution will involve the following software > packages: > - LTSP > - VMWare Server > - Samba > - NIS > - Squid Proxy > - Dan's Guardian > My $0.02 worth: Out of the 6 wishes above 5 will be met with k12ltsp. The sixth - VMWare server for virtualised win server - is also met but subject to whatever licensing terms set by MS$ and VMWare. Setup would be simple and quick with virtually no overhead but as needed for user management. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From karisue at gmail.com Mon Jul 24 02:14:36 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:14:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Need advice on network setup for school In-Reply-To: <56919.10.238.10.70.1153706005.webmail@10.238.10.70> References: <56919.10.238.10.70.1153706005.webmail@10.238.10.70> Message-ID: What Windows s/w are you running that will be difficult to replace in a Windows environment? ~kari On 7/23/06, kyle at caliberis.com wrote: > > This is my first post to this list. I posted the below message on the > FedoraForum.org message board and it was suggested that I pose the > question in this forum to reach people with similar needs and experiences. > > I'm looking for opinions on the best way to set up new servers and the > network in general at a school that I do volunteer work for. Last year > following the untimely demise of the Windows 2000 Server computer that > served as the DC and file/print server, we successfully configured a > Fedora Core 4 box as a PDC to take its place. > > This year we're looking to begin a shift that will eventually lead to a > network in which Windows clients are the exception. The reason we want > Windows clients to be the exception is primarily out of lack of funding > for software licenses. The reason for "eventually" is that it will take a > while to find suitable alternatives for all of the software currently > running on the Windows platform. > > The things that I would like to be able to handle in whatever setup I end > up with are: > (must haves) > 1) Centralized authentication and authorization - This was the main > benefit we received initially from moving away from computers that were > connected in a "workgroup" mode and implementing a Windows domain and > allows for much better control over the management of the workstations. > > 2) Controlled access to Internet resources. The organization is a school > and the potential exists to be held liable for situations where children > access inaproppriate content if it's determined that the school did not at > least attempt to put adequate controls in place. > > 3) Secured files - There is a subset of the documents in the organization > which must be protected. > > 4) Reasonably sensitive management - The administrator at the school is > not an IT professional and should be able to manage the day-to-day > operations of the network without advanced knowledge. > > (would be nice) > 5) Terminal services - The school has a lot of older machines that could > yield additional value to the school if they were able to be utilized as > thin clients. Also, I suspect that replacing machines with LTSP Terminals > (available on eBay for $50-$150) would have a lot less administrative > overhead than supporting a standard PC. > > 6) Virtualization - The move of clients to Linux could go much quicker if > an environment was available in which to run those Windows applications > for which no alternatives have been found if they could be run in a > virtual machine. I believe that I can achieve this using the free VMWare > server as a host for Windows 98 and that the licensing of the Windows > operating system allows for the machine code to execute on a single > machine with no restrictions of the number of instances of code that can > run on the single machine. > > > The things that I have at my disposal to implement a solution: > 1) A cable Internet connection > > 2) A DLink broadband router - I use this because I've never been able to > successfully plug a Linux machine directly into a cable modem. This also > acts as a firewall and I've defined no virtual servers. > > 3) Three identically configured Compaq 6400R servers. These servers have > 4GB RAM, three 18GB drives, and 4 500Mhz PIII Xeon processors. > > 4) Two network attached printers that support PostScript > > 5) Approximately 50 client computers at varying stages of decay ranging > from 450Mhz machines with 128MB RAM (more typical) to a 2.4Ghz machine > with 1GB RAM (the outlyer) > > 6) No money (although when all other options have been exhausted some can > be located at times) > > > I believe that my final solution will involve the following software > packages: > - LTSP > - VMWare Server > - Samba > - NIS > - Squid Proxy > - Dan's Guardian > > Any thoughts, suggestions, horror stories, or reference implementations > would be much appreciated! 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URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Jul 24 02:41:47 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:41:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Need advice on network setup for school In-Reply-To: <56919.10.238.10.70.1153706005.webmail@10.238.10.70> References: <56919.10.238.10.70.1153706005.webmail@10.238.10.70> Message-ID: kyle at caliberis.com on Sunday, July 23, 2006 at 9:53 PM +0000 wrote: >1) Centralized authentication and authorization - This was the main >benefit we received initially from moving away from computers that were >connected in a "workgroup" mode and implementing a Windows domain and >allows for much better control over the management of the workstations. Samba/LDAP will be your best bet here IMHO. It's what I use....one server serves both platforms. It serves as the domain controller for Windows (and can do roaming profiles if you're using 2000 or XP) and it also serves as the authentication for the Linux side as well and can store the users home directories and export them via NFS to mount on the K12LTSP server (transparently....home=home). http://www.majen.net/smbldap > > >2) Controlled access to Internet resources. The organization is a school >and the potential exists to be held liable for situations where children >access inaproppriate content if it's determined that the school did not at >least attempt to put adequate controls in place. Dansguardian....and it's available in many ways....you can run it on the K12LTSP machine...or better yet...grab another smaller server (I use a P4 with a gig of RAM and a 20gb HD). You can run it on SME server (www.contribs.org) or even better for you might be IPCop www.ipcop.org with DG > > >3) Secured files - There is a subset of the documents in the organization >which must be protected. Put those in a folder with access designated only to a certain group > > >4) Reasonably sensitive management - The administrator at the school is >not an IT professional and should be able to manage the day-to-day >operations of the network without advanced knowledge. There will be a small amount of learning needed....from a classroom mgmt standpoint.....TeacherTool rocks! > > >(would be nice) >5) Terminal services - The school has a lot of older machines that could >yield additional value to the school if they were able to be utilized as >thin clients. Also, I suspect that replacing machines with LTSP Terminals >(available on eBay for $50-$150) would have a lot less administrative >overhead than supporting a standard PC. You are right here....you can also use older PC's and simply turn them into thin-clients > > >6) Virtualization - The move of clients to Linux could go much quicker if >an environment was available in which to run those Windows applications >for which no alternatives have been found if they could be run in a >virtual machine. I believe that I can achieve this using the free VMWare >server as a host for Windows 98 and that the licensing of the Windows >operating system allows for the machine code to execute on a single >machine with no restrictions of the number of instances of code that can >run on the single machine. Not sure you are right here....major licensing issues. I run a Windows Terminal Server for this purpose and simply connect to it via the Linux desktop using "rdesktop".....however you need a license for each machine....your best bet is to phase out the windows programs.....what are some of the windows programs holding you back? Maybe we can help you find the alternatives or at least another method of distribution. > > > >The things that I have at my disposal to implement a solution: >1) A cable Internet connection > >2) A DLink broadband router - I use this because I've never been able to >successfully plug a Linux machine directly into a cable modem. This also >acts as a firewall and I've defined no virtual servers. > >3) Three identically configured Compaq 6400R servers. These servers have >4GB RAM, three 18GB drives, and 4 500Mhz PIII Xeon processors. These servers should do well. > > >4) Two network attached printers that support PostScript Great...this will make printing a snap! > > >5) Approximately 50 client computers at varying stages of decay ranging >from 450Mhz machines with 128MB RAM (more typical) to a 2.4Ghz machine >with 1GB RAM (the outlyer) fine....but you can rob the RAM out of the 1 gb machines....generally 64mb RAM is plenty. > >6) No money (although when all other options have been exhausted some can >be located at times) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From luis.montes at cox.net Mon Jul 24 03:02:45 2006 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:02:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Need advice on network setup for school In-Reply-To: References: <56919.10.238.10.70.1153706005.webmail@10.238.10.70> Message-ID: <44C43855.50505@cox.net> David Trask wrote: > kyle at caliberis.com on Sunday, July 23, 2006 at 9:53 PM +0000 wrote: > >> 1) Centralized authentication and authorization - This was the main >> benefit we received initially from moving away from computers that were >> connected in a "workgroup" mode and implementing a Windows domain and >> allows for much better control over the management of the workstations. >> > > Samba/LDAP will be your best bet here IMHO. It's what I use....one server > serves both platforms. It serves as the domain controller for Windows > (and can do roaming profiles if you're using 2000 or XP) and it also > serves as the authentication for the Linux side as well and can store the > users home directories and export them via NFS to mount on the K12LTSP > server (transparently....home=home). http://www.majen.net/smbldap > > > Do you use the smbldap server as the dhcp server as well? Seems like a good place to distribute load between multiple ltsp server nodes. Luis From william at fragakis.com Mon Jul 24 03:42:54 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:42:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] success stories? In-Reply-To: <20060722160018.962CE7357B@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060722160018.962CE7357B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1153712574.2637.40.camel@server.ltsp> On Sat, 2006-07-22 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:58:04 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Jim McQuillan" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] success stories? > To: "James P. Kinney III" > Cc: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > Message-ID: > <56315.70.52.116.87.1153515484.squirrel at www.mcquillansystems.com> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > On Fri, July 21, 2006 4:55 pm, James P. Kinney III wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-07-21 at 08:28 -0400, Jim McQuillan wrote: > >> There was an excellent story on Newsforge on Wednesday. This is > one of > >> those that gave me goose bumps while reading. > >> > >> Here's the link: > >> > >> > http://business.newsforge.com/business/06/07/10/2115242.shtml?tid=37&tid=138 > >> > >> Jim McQuillan > >> jam at Ltsp.org > >> > >> > > Just wait 'till you what is happening in Atlanta next :) > > > > The real thing that is needed is to get some hard statistics on > academic > > performance, make the K12LTSP switch and then test again. Daniel > Howard > > managed to pull some numbers from the big test score (the CRCT) and > > compared Brandon to 3 other schools with very similar demographics. > The > > other 3 were neck-and-neck and Brandon was trailing them all before > the > > Thin-Client infusion/invasion. The stats changed dramatically after > a > > year of thin-clients. Brandon took the lead from the other 3 by a > nearly > > 35% jump ahead (from nearly 20% behind the year before)!! > > > So, from that data, can we deduce that k12ltsp makes kids smarter? > > Or maybe it would be better to say that k12ltsp doesn't get in the way > of > learning, like some other operating systems do. > > Jim. Our teachers were telling us it made them smarter in several ways: 1) As my associate, Daniel, say. "time on task". They simply could spend more time practicing math facts on K12LTSP programs and on web sites such as firstinmath.com. Since they had so many computers that were working, they could practice until they knew the stuff. 2) Another teacher remarked that, for her, the real juice was the increase in science and social studies scores. By doing real research projects, the kids were able to delve deeper into subjects instead of scanning a brief paragraph out of a text book. The oceanography project the 5th grade knocked out the last two weeks of school (that time period usually reserved for cleaning out desks) was a great example - the kids were able to explore the subject more deeply through their individual work and more broadly by collaborative learning with their classmates. I'd suspect that this sort of learning process favors analytical thinking rather than rote learning. Many schools have figured out how to "get out of the way". That explains the dark screens in so many of them ;-). Regards, William From ramonklown at pop.com.br Mon Jul 24 09:11:24 2006 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:11:24 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] OFF-TOPIC Ubuntu screenshot In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0607231735j12c11f7aj1a1ba1bb7efca992@mail.gmail.com> References: <56630.201.79.82.125.1153683871.squirrel@popmail8.pop.com.br> <464c38cc0607231735j12c11f7aj1a1ba1bb7efca992@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <54803.201.79.121.98.1153732284.squirrel@popmail6.pop.com.br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Path is Edit>Profile>(Select > one/Make new)>Edit>Efects>Select the last radio button Transparent > background and there you have it. > > Best, > > On 7/23/06, Ramon wrote: > > > > > Hey Guys, wanted to hear your opinion on my ubuntu screenshot. > > > > http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/screenshots/verScreenshot.php?codigo=7087 > > > > Best, > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ?Mark Gumprecht MSAD3 Unity, Maine 04988 gumprechtm at msad3.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thnx Kevin below is the output of the find command: /usr/share/man/man3/libpngpf.3.gz /usr/share/man/man3/libpng.3.gz /usr/share/doc/libpng-1.2.7 /usr/share/doc/libpng-1.2.7/libpng.txt /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0 /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0.1.2.7 /usr/lib/libpng.so.3 /usr/lib/libpng.so.3.1.2.7 /usr/lib64/libpng12.so.0 /usr/lib64/pkgconfig/libpng12.pc /usr/lib64/pkgconfig/libpng.pc /usr/lib64/gthumb/modules/libpngexporter.la /usr/lib64/gthumb/modules/libpngexporter.so /usr/lib64/libpng.so /usr/lib64/libpng.a /usr/lib64/libpng12.so.0.1.2.7 /usr/lib64/libpng12.so /usr/lib64/libpng12.a /usr/lib64/libpng.so.3 /usr/lib64/libpng.so.3.1.2.7 /usr/local/lib/libpng.so.3.1.2.8 /usr/local/lib/libpng12.so.0.1.2.8 /usr/local/lib/libpng12.so.0 /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/libpng12.pc /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/libpng.pc /usr/local/lib/libpng.so /usr/local/lib/libpng.a /usr/local/lib/old/libpng.so.3.1.2.8 /usr/local/lib/old/libpng12.so.0.1.2.8 /usr/local/lib/old/libpng12.so.0 /usr/local/lib/old/libpng.so /usr/local/lib/old/libpng.a /usr/local/lib/old/libpng12.so /usr/local/lib/old/libpng12.a /usr/local/lib/old/libpng.so.3 /usr/local/lib/libpng12.so /usr/local/lib/libpng12.a /usr/local/lib/libpng.so.3 /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8 /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/libpng.so.3.1.2.8 /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/libpng12.so.0.1.2.8 /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/libpng12.so.0 /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/libpngpf.3 /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/libpng.a /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/libpng12.so /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/libpng-config /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/libpng.txt /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/projects/visualc6/ libpng.dsw /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/projects/visualc6/ libpng.dsp /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/projects/visualc71/ libpng.vcproj /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/projects/visualc71/ libpng.sln /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/projects/cbuilder5/ libpng.bpr /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/projects/cbuilder5/ libpngstat.bpr /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/projects/cbuilder5/ libpngstat.bpf /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/projects/cbuilder5/ libpng.bpg /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/projects/cbuilder5/ libpng.bpf /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/projects/cbuilder5/ libpng.readme.txt /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/projects/cbuilder5/ libpng.cpp /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/scripts/libpng- config-body.in /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/scripts/libpng.pc.in /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/scripts/libpng- config-head.in /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/scripts/libpng.icc /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/libpng.pc /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8/libpng.3 /usr/local/directadmin/customapache/libpng-1.2.8.tar.gz /usr/local/directadmin/customapache_apache13/libpng-1.2.8.tar.gz /usr/local/include/libpng12 /usr/local/include/libpng /usr/local/include/libpng/libpng12 /usr/local/man/man3/libpngpf.3 /usr/local/man/man3/libpng.3 /usr/local/bin/libpng-config /usr/local/bin/libpng12-config /usr/include/libpng12 /usr/include/libpng /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/libpng.spec /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/libpng-1.2.10-multilib.patch /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/libpng-1.2.10.tar.bz2 /usr/bin/libpng-config /usr/bin/libpng12-config From ramonklown at pop.com.br Mon Jul 24 10:48:05 2006 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:48:05 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] OFF-TOPIC Ubuntu screenshot In-Reply-To: <44C49F1E.7050409@msad3.org> References: <56630.201.79.82.125.1153683871.squirrel@popmail8.pop.com.br> <464c38cc0607231735j12c11f7aj1a1ba1bb7efca992@mail.gmail.com><54803.201.79.121.98.1153732284.squirrel@popmail6.pop.com.br> <44C49F1E.7050409@msad3.org> Message-ID: <3407.200.214.74.35.1153738085.squirrel@popmail6.pop.com.br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon Jul 24 11:22:45 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:22:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Need advice on network setup for school In-Reply-To: <56919.10.238.10.70.1153706005.webmail@10.238.10.70> References: <56919.10.238.10.70.1153706005.webmail@10.238.10.70> Message-ID: <2DE10E64-5955-4F84-8EC4-B661DC9A9F80@mindfirestudios.com> On Jul 23, 2006, at 8:53 PM, kyle at caliberis.com wrote: > > 6) Virtualization - The move of clients to Linux could go much > quicker if > an environment was available in which to run those Windows > applications > for which no alternatives have been found if they could be run in a > virtual machine. I believe that I can achieve this using the free > VMWare > server as a host for Windows 98 and that the licensing of the Windows > operating system allows for the machine code to execute on a single > machine with no restrictions of the number of instances of code > that can > run on the single machine. > > > 3) Three identically configured Compaq 6400R servers. These servers > have > 4GB RAM, three 18GB drives, and 4 500Mhz PIII Xeon processors. > > > 6) No money (although when all other options have been exhausted > some can > be located at times) What you probably want is to make one server the central file store and authentication. Put all the SCSI disks in there (except on for each of the other two servers) and make it a RAID 5. Split up the other two servers so they issue nonoverlapping addresses but serve the same pool of clients. Primitive load balancing essentially. My only concern is if those machines have enough horsepower to run VMware. If you can get the money, you might make that P4 into a windows server and run applications though terminal services. WINE would be the best option though if you can get your apps working with that. Codeweavers makes a nice commercial version with an easy install and support. It's affordably priced too so thats worth a look if you want to go the that route. From kyle at caliberis.com Mon Jul 24 12:08:26 2006 From: kyle at caliberis.com (kyle at caliberis.com) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Need advice on network setup for school In-Reply-To: References: <56919.10.238.10.70.1153706005.webmail@10.238.10.70> Message-ID: <53434.10.238.10.71.1153742906.webmail@10.238.10.71> There is a small assortment of learning games and typing software (e.g. Mavis Beacon), but the big hit comes in PageMaster 15. This program is used quite heavily in the organization and is a bit of a "pet" program for the directress, so implementing any solution in which it becomes no longer available will be a really tough sell. I tried using Wine, but from my research the latest version that will run with Wine is version 7 and that is without printing support. -----Original Message----- From: "Kari Matthews" Sent: Sun, July 23, 2006 10:14 pm To: kyle at caliberis.com, "Support list for open source software in schools." Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Need advice on network setup for school What Windows s/w are you running that will be difficult to replace in a Windows environment? ~kari On 7/23/06, kyle at caliberis.com wrote: > > This is my first post to this list. I posted the below message on the > FedoraForum.org message board and it was suggested that I pose the > question in this forum to reach people with similar needs and experiences. > > I'm looking for opinions on the best way to set up new servers and the > network in general at a school that I do volunteer work for. Last year > following the untimely demise of the Windows 2000 Server computer that > served as the DC and file/print server, we successfully configured a > Fedora Core 4 box as a PDC to take its place. > > This year we're looking to begin a shift that will eventually lead to a > network in which Windows clients are the exception. The reason we want > Windows clients to be the exception is primarily out of lack of funding > for software licenses. The reason for "eventually" is that it will take a > while to find suitable alternatives for all of the software currently > running on the Windows platform. > > The things that I would like to be able to handle in whatever setup I end > up with are: > (must haves) > 1) Centralized authentication and authorization - This was the main > benefit we received initially from moving away from computers that were > connected in a "workgroup" mode and implementing a Windows domain and > allows for much better control over the management of the workstations. > > 2) Controlled access to Internet resources. The organization is a school > and the potential exists to be held liable for situations where children > access inaproppriate content if it's determined that the school did not at > least attempt to put adequate controls in place. > > 3) Secured files - There is a subset of the documents in the organization > which must be protected. > > 4) Reasonably sensitive management - The administrator at the school is > not an IT professional and should be able to manage the day-to-day > operations of the network without advanced knowledge. > > (would be nice) > 5) Terminal services - The school has a lot of older machines that could > yield additional value to the school if they were able to be utilized as > thin clients. Also, I suspect that replacing machines with LTSP Terminals > (available on eBay for $50-$150) would have a lot less administrative > overhead than supporting a standard PC. > > 6) Virtualization - The move of clients to Linux could go much quicker if > an environment was available in which to run those Windows applications > for which no alternatives have been found if they could be run in a > virtual machine. I believe that I can achieve this using the free VMWare > server as a host for Windows 98 and that the licensing of the Windows > operating system allows for the machine code to execute on a single > machine with no restrictions of the number of instances of code that can > run on the single machine. > > > The things that I have at my disposal to implement a solution: > 1) A cable Internet connection > > 2) A DLink broadband router - I use this because I've never been able to > successfully plug a Linux machine directly into a cable modem. This also > acts as a firewall and I've defined no virtual servers. > > 3) Three identically configured Compaq 6400R servers. These servers have > 4GB RAM, three 18GB drives, and 4 500Mhz PIII Xeon processors. > > 4) Two network attached printers that support PostScript > > 5) Approximately 50 client computers at varying stages of decay ranging > from 450Mhz machines with 128MB RAM (more typical) to a 2.4Ghz machine > with 1GB RAM (the outlyer) > > 6) No money (although when all other options have been exhausted some can > be located at times) > > > I believe that my final solution will involve the following software > packages: > - LTSP > - VMWare Server > - Samba > - NIS > - Squid Proxy > - Dan's Guardian > > Any thoughts, suggestions, horror stories, or reference implementations > would be much appreciated! I should also mention that while I "get by" as > a home user of Fedora I'm not extremely skilled or knowledgeable in Linux. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- *-*-*-*-*-* blog.karimatthews.com From kyle at caliberis.com Mon Jul 24 12:14:18 2006 From: kyle at caliberis.com (kyle at caliberis.com) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Need advice on network setup for school In-Reply-To: References: <56919.10.238.10.70.1153706005.webmail@10.238.10.70> Message-ID: <44235.10.238.10.70.1153743258.webmail@10.238.10.70> This looks like some great info. I'm going to have to go read up on Samba/LDAP. Do you recommend starting from a K12LTSP install or my FC5 install? -----Original Message----- From: "David Trask" Sent: Sun, July 23, 2006 10:41 pm To: kyle at caliberis.com Cc: K12OSN at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Need advice on network setup for school kyle at caliberis.com on Sunday, July 23, 2006 at 9:53 PM +0000 wrote: >1) Centralized authentication and authorization - This was the main >benefit we received initially from moving away from computers that were >connected in a "workgroup" mode and implementing a Windows domain and >allows for much better control over the management of the workstations. Samba/LDAP will be your best bet here IMHO. It's what I use....one server serves both platforms. It serves as the domain controller for Windows (and can do roaming profiles if you're using 2000 or XP) and it also serves as the authentication for the Linux side as well and can store the users home directories and export them via NFS to mount on the K12LTSP server (transparently....home=home). http://www.majen.net/smbldap > > >2) Controlled access to Internet resources. The organization is a school >and the potential exists to be held liable for situations where children >access inaproppriate content if it's determined that the school did not at >least attempt to put adequate controls in place. Dansguardian....and it's available in many ways....you can run it on the K12LTSP machine...or better yet...grab another smaller server (I use a P4 with a gig of RAM and a 20gb HD). You can run it on SME server (www.contribs.org) or even better for you might be IPCop www.ipcop.org with DG > > >3) Secured files - There is a subset of the documents in the organization >which must be protected. Put those in a folder with access designated only to a certain group > > >4) Reasonably sensitive management - The administrator at the school is >not an IT professional and should be able to manage the day-to-day >operations of the network without advanced knowledge. There will be a small amount of learning needed....from a classroom mgmt standpoint.....TeacherTool rocks! > > >(would be nice) >5) Terminal services - The school has a lot of older machines that could >yield additional value to the school if they were able to be utilized as >thin clients. Also, I suspect that replacing machines with LTSP Terminals >(available on eBay for $50-$150) would have a lot less administrative >overhead than supporting a standard PC. You are right here....you can also use older PC's and simply turn them into thin-clients > > >6) Virtualization - The move of clients to Linux could go much quicker if >an environment was available in which to run those Windows applications >for which no alternatives have been found if they could be run in a >virtual machine. I believe that I can achieve this using the free VMWare >server as a host for Windows 98 and that the licensing of the Windows >operating system allows for the machine code to execute on a single >machine with no restrictions of the number of instances of code that can >run on the single machine. Not sure you are right here....major licensing issues. I run a Windows Terminal Server for this purpose and simply connect to it via the Linux desktop using "rdesktop".....however you need a license for each machine....your best bet is to phase out the windows programs.....what are some of the windows programs holding you back? Maybe we can help you find the alternatives or at least another method of distribution. > > > >The things that I have at my disposal to implement a solution: >1) A cable Internet connection > >2) A DLink broadband router - I use this because I've never been able to >successfully plug a Linux machine directly into a cable modem. This also >acts as a firewall and I've defined no virtual servers. > >3) Three identically configured Compaq 6400R servers. These servers have >4GB RAM, three 18GB drives, and 4 500Mhz PIII Xeon processors. These servers should do well. > > >4) Two network attached printers that support PostScript Great...this will make printing a snap! > > >5) Approximately 50 client computers at varying stages of decay ranging >from 450Mhz machines with 128MB RAM (more typical) to a 2.4Ghz machine >with 1GB RAM (the outlyer) fine....but you can rob the RAM out of the 1 gb machines....generally 64mb RAM is plenty. > >6) No money (although when all other options have been exhausted some can >be located at times) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Jul 24 13:56:08 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:56:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Need advice on network setup for school In-Reply-To: <44235.10.238.10.70.1153743258.webmail@10.238.10.70> References: <44235.10.238.10.70.1153743258.webmail@10.238.10.70> Message-ID: kyle at caliberis.com on Monday, July 24, 2006 at 8:14 AM +0000 wrote: >Do you recommend starting from a K12LTSP install or my FC5 >install? Either is fine...I use K12LTSP David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From k12 at yx.ee Mon Jul 24 14:42:55 2006 From: k12 at yx.ee (Margus Veer) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:42:55 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] how to but work soundcards Message-ID: <1153752175.26400.10.camel@koll> Help !! I allready describe in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf diferent terminals something like that : [00:40:F4:68:XX:XX] # terminal baari korval XSERVER = auto X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 5 X_ZAxisMappings = "4 5" PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = P # P-Parallel, S-Serial PRINTER_0_PORT = 9100 # tcp/ip port: defaults to 9100 [00:50:8B:33:XX:XX] # terminal laos XSERVER = auto X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 5 X_ZAxisMappings = "4 5" # uncomment the following line to enable USB support RCFILE_02 = usb PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = U # P-Parallel, S-Serial, U-usb PRINTER_0_PORT = 9100 # tcp/ip port: defaults to 9100 but In one terminal I have realtek AC97 audio soundcard in motherboard and onother somekind of old soundcard :) but how I can descripe in lts.conf in diferent terminals diferent soundcards ? best Margus From william at fragakis.com Mon Jul 24 14:48:48 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:48:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Need advice on network setup for school In-Reply-To: <20060724121429.9C6E873467@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060724121429.9C6E873467@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1153752528.3483.20.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 08:14 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:41:47 -0400 > From: "David Trask" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Need advice on network setup for school > To: kyle at caliberis.com > Cc: K12OSN at redhat.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > kyle at caliberis.com on Sunday, July 23, 2006 at 9:53 PM +0000 wrote: > [snip] > >5) Approximately 50 client computers at varying stages of decay > ranging > >from 450Mhz machines with 128MB RAM (more typical) to a 2.4Ghz > machine > >with 1GB RAM (the outlyer) > > fine....but you can rob the RAM out of the 1 gb machines....generally > 64mb > RAM is plenty. > > Alternatively, make the 2.4 machine a server. With sufficient RAM it can serve 8-12 stations (8 pretty easily, 12 in a stretch). From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Jul 24 15:15:36 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:15:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. Message-ID: Hello. I finally have got my Superintendent excited about being able to use older hardware to save monty and use K12LTSP for thos older computers to make them usable again in Internet/Research/Writing labs in our schools. I have several servers that have K12LTSP installed and ready to go, thinking I could run many workstations from them. But when I read articles that say a district has 32 servers to deploy K12LTSP, I am thninking I am missing something because where is the cost savings in that, forst of all, and that means server updates and everything will have to be done on all those servers. Our Supt. is a "Bottom Dollar" kind of guy and he doesn't look at TCO so much as what it will cost to "get it in the door". Say I have a server with 12GB RAM, Almost a terabyte (sp?) of SCSI hard drive in Raid5 and Gigabit NICs. Realistically, how many workstations can I hang off there using Gnome, Mozilla, OOo, and several other apps on intermittent basis and see usable performance? Also, I have one server, running FC1 with K12LTSP and it serves DHCP IP addresses, but I want another server to handle the terminals. I added the next-server line to dhcpd.conf, but it still looks to the FC1 server to boot from. The other (preferred server) is FC3, K12LTSP and I think it is set up correctly. What can I look for to make the workstations boot and run from the FC3 server with DHCP being handled by the FC1 server? Thanks! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From ken at gccsda.com Mon Jul 24 15:29:57 2006 From: ken at gccsda.com (Ken Arany) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:29:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap installer on fc5 64bit Message-ID: <44C4E775.4030507@gccsda.com> Hi, I have been working with FC5 64bit RC2. I have everything installed the way I would like it to be, but I'm still having a problem with smbldap. Both Samba and ldap work fine until I install the smbldap installer from www.majen.net/smbldap latest-bleeding-edge. I have tested to the point where I have two identical servers with the exact same install. On the first server I start smb and ldap they will stay running for hours without giving any problems and I can run 'net getlocalsid' and it will respond with the sid. However the second server that I try to install, first with the smldap-install and then the smbldap-configure, it completes the first script, but then fails getting the local sid in the second script. I have tried getting the sid manually with 'net getlocalsid' and the response that I get back is this: [2006/07/24 11:08:20, 0] lib/smbldap.c:smb_ldap_setup_conn(638) ldap_initialize: Bad parameter to an ldap routine I get this message over and over again until I crtl+C. When I try to connect to the ldap with ldapbrowser it will authenticate, but says that "list fails" even though ldap is started and running according to 'service ldap status'. I believe that I have everything I need installed on the server samba-client-3.0.23-1.fc5 samba-common-3.0.23-1.fc5 samba-common-3.0.23-1.fc5 samba-3.0.23-1.fc5openldap-2.3.19-4 openldap-2.3.19-4 openldap-clients-2.3.19-4 openldap-devel-2.3.19-4 openldap-servers-2.3.19-4 nss_ldap-249-1 I'm not sure what I've done wrong, but I really need to get these servers out soon. Can anyone help me with this please? Thanks in advance Ken Arany Georgia-Cumberland Conference IT Services From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Jul 24 15:41:21 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:41:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44C4EA21.2050305@paasda.org> Doug, your bottleneck on that is going to happen at the network level more likely...I have dual Xeon 3.0ghz with 4 gig of ram... with 35 terminals all going at the same time...it gets slow on a gig-e backbone...(with less than 40% CPU usage and has never touched swap file for memory as far as I can tell when monitoring with 'top') Perhaps I'm doing something wrong, but the math seems correct.. 35*75(approximately) == around to 2 gigs of used bandwidth. perhaps there is some method of load balancing I can use that I haven't tried yet...(an application server, 2 k12ltsp servers...) I am sure 'scalability' is a larger issue with public schools and districts...luckily we're a small 1 site school with only about 230 students and the LTSP network is merely to augment the Mac and PC labs. --Huck Doug Simpson wrote: > Hello. > > I finally have got my Superintendent excited about being able to use older > hardware to save monty and use K12LTSP for thos older computers to make > them usable again in Internet/Research/Writing labs in our schools. > > I have several servers that have K12LTSP installed and ready to go, > thinking I could run many workstations from them. > > But when I read articles that say a district has 32 servers to deploy > K12LTSP, I am thninking I am missing something because where is the cost > savings in that, forst of all, and that means server updates and > everything will have to be done on all those servers. > > Our Supt. is a "Bottom Dollar" kind of guy and he doesn't look at TCO so > much as what it will cost to "get it in the door". > > Say I have a server with 12GB RAM, Almost a terabyte (sp?) of SCSI hard > drive in Raid5 and Gigabit NICs. Realistically, how many workstations can > I hang off there using Gnome, Mozilla, OOo, and several other apps on > intermittent basis and see usable performance? > > Also, I have one server, running FC1 with K12LTSP and it serves DHCP IP > addresses, but I want another server to handle the terminals. > > I added the next-server line to dhcpd.conf, but it still looks to the FC1 > server to boot from. The other (preferred server) is FC3, K12LTSP and I > think it is set up correctly. > > What can I look for to make the workstations boot and run from the FC3 > server with DHCP being handled by the FC1 server? > > Thanks! > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From petre at maltzen.net Mon Jul 24 16:12:50 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:12:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: <44C4EA21.2050305@paasda.org> References: <44C4EA21.2050305@paasda.org> Message-ID: <44C4F182.1040509@maltzen.net> Huck- Have you looked at putting multiple gig-e cards in the server? You may need to break things into multiple subnets for it to work (or perhaps not). There was some discussion on the list a couple years ago about using multiple NICs in the server, but I don't recall what the consensus was. Petre Huck wrote: > Doug, > > your bottleneck on that is going to happen at the network level more > likely...I have dual Xeon 3.0ghz with 4 gig of ram... > with 35 terminals all going at the same time...it gets slow on a gig-e > backbone...(with less than 40% CPU usage and has never touched swap file > for memory as far as I can tell when monitoring with 'top') > > Perhaps I'm doing something wrong, but the math seems correct.. > > 35*75(approximately) == around to 2 gigs of used bandwidth. > perhaps there is some method of load balancing I can use that I haven't > tried yet...(an application server, 2 k12ltsp servers...) > > I am sure 'scalability' is a larger issue with public schools and > districts...luckily we're a small 1 site school with only about 230 > students and the LTSP network is merely to augment the Mac and PC labs. > > --Huck > Doug Simpson wrote: >> Hello. >> >> I finally have got my Superintendent excited about being able to use >> older hardware to save monty and use K12LTSP for thos older computers >> to make them usable again in Internet/Research/Writing labs in our >> schools. >> >> I have several servers that have K12LTSP installed and ready to go, >> thinking I could run many workstations from them. >> >> But when I read articles that say a district has 32 servers to deploy >> K12LTSP, I am thninking I am missing something because where is the >> cost savings in that, forst of all, and that means server updates and >> everything will have to be done on all those servers. >> >> Our Supt. is a "Bottom Dollar" kind of guy and he doesn't look at TCO >> so much as what it will cost to "get it in the door". >> >> Say I have a server with 12GB RAM, Almost a terabyte (sp?) of SCSI >> hard drive in Raid5 and Gigabit NICs. Realistically, how many >> workstations can I hang off there using Gnome, Mozilla, OOo, and >> several other apps on intermittent basis and see usable performance? >> >> Also, I have one server, running FC1 with K12LTSP and it serves DHCP >> IP addresses, but I want another server to handle the terminals. >> >> I added the next-server line to dhcpd.conf, but it still looks to the >> FC1 server to boot from. The other (preferred server) is FC3, K12LTSP >> and I think it is set up correctly. >> >> What can I look for to make the workstations boot and run from the FC3 >> server with DHCP being handled by the FC1 server? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Doug Simpson >> Technology Specialist >> DeQueen Public Schools >> DeQueen, AR 71832 >> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >> Tux for President! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jfarley at msad50.org Mon Jul 24 16:17:54 2006 From: jfarley at msad50.org (Judi Farley) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:17:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SME server upload/download problem Message-ID: I've just joined this list, and hope someone has an answer for me. I'm running SME6.01 on several school servers (different schools). We had problems with uploading a library file that was fairly large, so I changed the upload size in the templates-custom directory, and it worked fine. However, at the same time our Windows 98 machines trying to download their updates started getting the message that the cache size limited the download, and we've been unable to update anything, or run any of our web-based programs. This happened in only one school. The other one that I've been working in today has no problem even though I changed exactly the same setting. I went in and changed it back, which did nothing. Suggestions gratefully accepted!! Judi From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Mon Jul 24 16:38:48 2006 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:38:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Newbie questions Message-ID: <44C4F798.8000206@peopleplaces.org> After a year of lobbying the people holding the purse strings, I've been authorized to replace my network of 45 PCs with a LTSP environment. I'm curious though, what is the difference between the straight LTSP and K12LTSP? As the current k12ltsp is 4-1-1 I'm assuming it's based on ltsp4-1.. is there a roadmap online anywhere for k12ltsp? What about plans to upgrade the base to FC5? Thanks, Michael Blinn -- If this is my day of harvest, in what fields have I sowed the seed, and in what unremembered seasons? - Kahlil Gibran From les at futuresource.com Mon Jul 24 16:34:31 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:34:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1153758872.21725.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 10:15 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > But when I read articles that say a district has 32 servers to deploy > K12LTSP, I am thninking I am missing something because where is the cost > savings in that, forst of all, and that means server updates and > everything will have to be done on all those servers. Assuming you have central LDAP authentication and common NFS home directories all of the other servers can be identical clones either with disk image copies or an automated kickstart install. Subsequent maintenance until the next complete install consists of occasional 'yum update' commands which can be done remotely over ssh or automated. > Our Supt. is a "Bottom Dollar" kind of guy and he doesn't look at TCO so > much as what it will cost to "get it in the door". If you are used to OS's that take a lot of babysitting, this is different. Putting everything in one big box isn't going to save that much compared to distributing the load intelligently. > Say I have a server with 12GB RAM, Almost a terabyte (sp?) of SCSI hard > drive in Raid5 and Gigabit NICs. Realistically, how many workstations can > I hang off there using Gnome, Mozilla, OOo, and several other apps on > intermittent basis and see usable performance? The network will be the likely bottleneck here. But a box like this would make a good authentication and home directory server along with being able to run a roomful of terminals. > Also, I have one server, running FC1 with K12LTSP and it serves DHCP IP > addresses, but I want another server to handle the terminals. > > I added the next-server line to dhcpd.conf, but it still looks to the FC1 > server to boot from. The other (preferred server) is FC3, K12LTSP and I > think it is set up correctly. Is this on a flat network with one NIC? You need to set option root-path to the desired server as well. Note that you can tie these to subnet or host scopes to distribute the load. If you do end up with everything on one big server you can put multiple NICs on different subnets to split the network load. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Jul 24 16:38:22 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:38:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Newbie questions In-Reply-To: <44C4F798.8000206@peopleplaces.org> References: <44C4F798.8000206@peopleplaces.org> Message-ID: <44C4F77E.9040805@paasda.org> FC5 release is in candidate state #2... We're wait'n on it to be full release within a week I believe K12LTSP is a bundled OS package with LTSP and many K12apps.. where-as LTSP is simply the package to do a terminal server on a distro of linux. maybe I oversimplified it...but that's the gist of it. I'm waiting for Eric to return and release the FC5 version. [QUOTE] K12LTSP 5.0.0 release candidate #2 has been uploaded. This build includes a new kernel and the Fl_Teachertool update. Hopefully the kernel update will fix the various RAID card issues reported. I will be mostly off-line for the next week and a half. If no major issues crop up before then, we'll be ready for the official release. Please give this build a very thorough test and report any and all issues that you see. The repositories have been updated, if you have an earlier beta installed you can simply run "yum update". Pentium/Xeon/Athlon/etc 32bit version: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . Opteron/EM64T/etc 64bit version: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-64bit/iso/ . -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see [/QUOTE] Michael Blinn wrote: > After a year of lobbying the people holding the purse strings, I've > been authorized to replace my network of 45 PCs with a LTSP environment. > I'm curious though, what is the difference between the straight LTSP and > K12LTSP? As the current k12ltsp is 4-1-1 I'm assuming it's based on > ltsp4-1.. is there a roadmap online anywhere for k12ltsp? What about > plans to upgrade the base to FC5? > > Thanks, > Michael Blinn > From les at futuresource.com Mon Jul 24 16:40:44 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:40:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Need advice on network setup for school In-Reply-To: References: <44235.10.238.10.70.1153743258.webmail@10.238.10.70> Message-ID: <1153759244.21725.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 09:56 -0400, David Trask wrote: > kyle at caliberis.com on Monday, July 24, 2006 at 8:14 AM +0000 wrote: > >Do you recommend starting from a K12LTSP install or my FC5 > >install? > > Either is fine...I use K12LTSP The authentication/home dir server would probably be a good place for the Centos-based K12LTSP-4.2.3EL version. I'd expect that to have a much longer supported life than the ones with a fedora base. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Jul 24 16:41:51 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:41:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: <1153758872.21725.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1153758872.21725.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <44C4F84F.2040005@paasda.org> Les, both you and the other fellow(sorry deleted the mail accidentally) make a point about the network being the bottleneck. Is there a way to support multiple Gig-E NICs on a server and have them send out 'blocks' of IP addresses to terminals? to breakup all of the traffic so it doesn't clog a single NIC? I assume since most of this is driven through DHCP that there is some method of telling it to hand out IP's and thus the PXE booting and all traffic via multiple NICS. Does anyone know of a write-up/how-to using this method? --Huck From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 24 16:42:14 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:42:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Newbie questions In-Reply-To: <44C4F798.8000206@peopleplaces.org> References: <44C4F798.8000206@peopleplaces.org> Message-ID: <44C4F866.5070103@mesd.k12.or.us> Michael Blinn wrote: > After a year of lobbying the people holding the purse strings, I've > been authorized to replace my network of 45 PCs with a LTSP environment. > I'm curious though, what is the difference between the straight LTSP and > K12LTSP? As the current k12ltsp is 4-1-1 I'm assuming it's based on > ltsp4-1.. is there a roadmap online anywhere for k12ltsp? What about > plans to upgrade the base to FC5? v5.0.0 is based on FC5 and LTSP v4.2. It is in release-candidate stage right now. Eric will probably release it in a week or so. The best information on timelines is probably in Eric's previous posts to this mailing list. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From timothy.hart at gmail.com Mon Jul 24 16:48:10 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:48:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NASD vs ESD Message-ID: <464c38cc0607240948qa201a7bk428cf255b2245756@mail.gmail.com> What are people out there using for sound and why? I got esd to work on most programs. I can't play any media on a terminal though (ogg or wavs). Not sure why though. Anyone? Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmcdaniel at indata.us Mon Jul 24 16:33:01 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:33:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] smb.conf Message-ID: <20060724093301.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.196bf11fc5.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Anyone have a great smb.conf file that they would like to share? Three groups, admin,teacher,student with authentication against LDAP server(same box) thanks, ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Mon Jul 24 18:11:52 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:11:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NASD vs ESD In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0607240948qa201a7bk428cf255b2245756@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0607240948qa201a7bk428cf255b2245756@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060724141152.225a8a10@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:48:10 -0400 "Timothy Hart" wrote: > What are people out there using for sound and why? I got esd to work > on most programs. I can't play any media on a terminal though (ogg or > wavs). Not sure why though. Anyone? > > Tim Most multimedia apps that I have run into (mplayer, xine, xmms, etc) all need to have esd. This might be in a command-line, or in a config file, or under the preferences... just depends. Most of the games my kids play, all require the esd wrapper (esddsp) to get sound to work. Since I use LTSP in my home, there server is also a termial. With that "difficulty" I set up a script for the kids games. an example (using frozen bubble): --------------------------------------------- #!/bin/sh if [[ -n "$DISPLAY" && $DISPLAY == *boss* ]] ; then exec esddsp /usr/games/frozen-bubble -nm -sl -l1 # next used for those games that will not play at all on "boss" # xmessage -buttons OK -center \ "Sorry, this game can not be played on this computer." else if [ "$DISPLAY" != ":0.0" ]; then echo "running $0 with esd wrapper." exec esddsp /usr/games/frozen-bubble else echo "running $0 without a wrapper." exec /usr/games/frozen-bubble fi fi echo "end esd wrapper script" --------------------------------------------- Then the icon on their desktop points to this wrapper instead of to the actual frozen-bubble binary. What you see is.... If user is at the "Boss" machine (a very old P1 with a 2MB graphics card and 64MB RAM), then run frozen bubble with simple settings. (For some of the kids games, they just get a "sorry will not work here" xmessage) If the user is at any of the other terminals, then run frozen bubble with the ESD wrapper If the user is at the server, then just run frozen bubble "straight" Hope that helps some. Kevin -- http://gentgeen.homelinux.org ############################################################# Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From les at futuresource.com Mon Jul 24 18:15:49 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:15:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: <44C4F84F.2040005@paasda.org> References: <1153758872.21725.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <44C4F84F.2040005@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1153764950.21725.57.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 09:41 -0700, Huck wrote: > Is there a way to support multiple Gig-E NICs on a server and have them > send out 'blocks' of IP addresses to terminals? to breakup all of the > traffic so it doesn't clog a single NIC? Yes, but you have to physically segment the subnets. If you already have a 2-NIC layout it shouldn't be much different to add a 3rd for a separate set of clients. Assign an IP address in a different private range and add it to the DHCP config. > I assume since most of this is driven through DHCP that there is some > method of telling it to hand out IP's and thus the PXE booting and all > traffic via multiple NICS. The next-server and root-path options the DHCP server gives out can be set in the subnet scope to be the the server's interface on the corresponding subnet. It might take some other adjustments to the setup to permit routing between subnets and NAT for all of them but that should be straightforward. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Mon Jul 24 19:47:46 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:47:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: <44C4F84F.2040005@paasda.org> References: <1153758872.21725.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <44C4F84F.2040005@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1153770466.8601.38.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 09:41 -0700, Huck wrote: > Les, both you and the other fellow(sorry deleted the mail accidentally) > > make a point about the network being the bottleneck. > > Is there a way to support multiple Gig-E NICs on a server and have them > send out 'blocks' of IP addresses to terminals? to breakup all of the > traffic so it doesn't clog a single NIC? Depending on the switches you have you can do several things: 1. Switch dependent method: port trunking - requires a switch that can be "managed" to setup the switch to support basically ethernet "striping" with the bonding module. 2. Switch independent method: use adaptive load balancing with the bonding module. This requires that the kernel drivers for the NICs support changing the MAC address on the fly for each NIC. (NOTE** The cheap Hawking cards don't work with this as the r8169 driver must be unloaded to change the MAC address). What all of the bonding method does is allow multiple Gb NICs to appear as a single IP address so you have higher bandwidth for the clients. > > I assume since most of this is driven through DHCP that there is some > method of telling it to hand out IP's and thus the PXE booting and all > traffic via multiple NICS. Alternatively, you can set up multiple subnets on multiple NICs and spread the load that way. The rule of thumb we have found is allow ~30Mb/s for each client. Since ethernet maxes out at about 3/4 wire speed, this allows for 25 clients for each 1Gb NIC. So splitting up the network to use multiple nics serving multiple subnets requires no specialty switch hardware either. > > Does anyone know of a write-up/how-to using this method? > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So for the "Bottom dollar" person: a single chip, dual core w/ 2GB RAM and 2 NICs (one Gb for clients, the other 100Mb for Internet) and a 120GB hard drive will serve 25+ clients very well. This a good model for an "app server". On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 10:15 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > Hello. > > I finally have got my Superintendent excited about being able to use older > hardware to save monty and use K12LTSP for thos older computers to make > them usable again in Internet/Research/Writing labs in our schools. > > I have several servers that have K12LTSP installed and ready to go, > thinking I could run many workstations from them. > > But when I read articles that say a district has 32 servers to deploy > K12LTSP, I am thninking I am missing something because where is the cost > savings in that, forst of all, and that means server updates and > everything will have to be done on all those servers. > > Our Supt. is a "Bottom Dollar" kind of guy and he doesn't look at TCO so > much as what it will cost to "get it in the door". > > Say I have a server with 12GB RAM, Almost a terabyte (sp?) of SCSI hard > drive in Raid5 and Gigabit NICs. Realistically, how many workstations can > I hang off there using Gnome, Mozilla, OOo, and several other apps on > intermittent basis and see usable performance? > > Also, I have one server, running FC1 with K12LTSP and it serves DHCP IP > addresses, but I want another server to handle the terminals. > > I added the next-server line to dhcpd.conf, but it still looks to the FC1 > server to boot from. The other (preferred server) is FC3, K12LTSP and I > think it is set up correctly. > > What can I look for to make the workstations boot and run from the FC3 > server with DHCP being handled by the FC1 server? > > Thanks! > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. 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I was looking to experiment with K12LTSP on an old 500MHz machine and was going to connect to it from my laptop, but in reading, it looks like you need the client machine to be dedicated and not running another OS and then connecting to the Terminal Server. Am I correct or could I boot in to XP and then connect to the LTSP server? Thanks in advance. From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 24 20:29:10 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:29:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Basic LTSP Question In-Reply-To: <44C52BAA.5060303@gmail.com> References: <44C52BAA.5060303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44C52D96.3050603@mesd.k12.or.us> Brian wrote: > In reading about K12LTSP, it seems like to connect to the Terminal > Server, you need to do a network boot of sorts. This is typical, but not required. > Is this true or can you 'RDP' in to the server like a Win Terminal Server? An RDP equivalent can be used; VNC, NX, and X are all options. > I was looking to experiment with K12LTSP on an old 500MHz machine and > was going to connect to it from my laptop, but in reading, it looks like > you need the client machine to be dedicated and not running another OS > and then connecting to the Terminal Server. > > Am I correct or could I boot in to XP and then connect to the LTSP server? You certainly could use a VNC client, FreeNX, or X/Win via Cygwin in Windows. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From thepiano at telenet.be Mon Jul 24 20:30:50 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:30:50 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Basic LTSP Question In-Reply-To: <44C52BAA.5060303@gmail.com> References: <44C52BAA.5060303@gmail.com> Message-ID: You could use Xming: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Xming Kevin Op 24-jul-06, om 22:20 heeft Brian het volgende geschreven: > Hello List...first post.. > > In reading about K12LTSP, it seems like to connect to the Terminal > Server, you need to do a network boot of sorts. > > Is this true or can you 'RDP' in to the server like a Win Terminal > Server? > > I was looking to experiment with K12LTSP on an old 500MHz machine > and was going to connect to it from my laptop, but in reading, it > looks like you need the client machine to be dedicated and not > running another OS and then connecting to the Terminal Server. > > Am I correct or could I boot in to XP and then connect to the LTSP > server? > > Thanks in advance. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Jul 24 21:07:01 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:07:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] vlc multicast (whoohoo! ) pulling preferences Message-ID: <9bd317560607241407m47881b6bi8152c756217a764c@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, i finally got vlc multicast working. Wow, I can't beleive how well it works and syncs in a lab! Even the sound syncs perfectly! But I'm trying to get the right settings for vlc for everyone. I tried putting a .vlc folder in /etc/skel with all the right stuff but it doen't get pulled from there when I start vlc from a client. Does anybody know how to do this? Thanks! peter From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 24 21:17:54 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:17:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] vlc multicast (whoohoo! ) pulling preferences In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607241407m47881b6bi8152c756217a764c@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560607241407m47881b6bi8152c756217a764c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44C53902.3000807@mesd.k12.or.us> Peter Hartmann wrote: > i finally got vlc multicast working. Wow, I can't beleive how well it > works and syncs in a lab! Even the sound syncs perfectly! But I'm > trying to get the right settings for vlc for everyone. I tried putting > a .vlc folder in /etc/skel with all the right stuff but it doen't get > pulled from there when I start vlc from a client. Does anybody know > how to do this? Home directories are only populated from /etc/skel for newly created users. You'll need to copy the .vlc folder to existing users yourself. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From petre at maltzen.net Mon Jul 24 21:18:51 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:18:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] vlc multicast (whoohoo! ) pulling preferences In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607241407m47881b6bi8152c756217a764c@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560607241407m47881b6bi8152c756217a764c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44C5393B.20406@maltzen.net> The contents of /etc/skel are copied to new users' $HOME directory when the user account is created. So, putting .vlc in /etc/skel won't do anything for your existing users, but any future users you create will get the .vlc directory. Create a new user and see if the VLC settings are correct. Assuming it works as desired, you can then write a script to copy .vlc into the existing users' home directories. Petre Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey all, > i finally got vlc multicast working. Wow, I can't beleive how well it > works and syncs in a lab! Even the sound syncs perfectly! But I'm > trying to get the right settings for vlc for everyone. I tried putting > a .vlc folder in /etc/skel with all the right stuff but it doen't get > pulled from there when I start vlc from a client. Does anybody know > how to do this? > > Thanks! > peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Mon Jul 24 21:31:50 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:31:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Basic LTSP Question In-Reply-To: <44C52BAA.5060303@gmail.com> References: <44C52BAA.5060303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060724173150.42da1075@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:20:58 -0400 Brian wrote: > I was looking to experiment with K12LTSP on an old 500MHz machine and > was going to connect to it from my laptop, but in reading, it looks > like you need the client machine to be dedicated and not running > another OS and then connecting to the Terminal Server. > > Am I correct or could I boot in to XP and then connect to the LTSP > server? You might be able to use a universal boot floppy (or if you are using your laptop as the client - a special PCMCIA boot floppy). There is even a boot disk that will write the required info to your HD, and then at boot time you can choose Windows or LTSP. This is what I use here at home. The family can boot to Win98 (the local hard drive) to play the games or they can boot the computer as if it was a thin client to my server. Need more info, just let me know... I think I have links or even the images to all the floppys I mentioned. Kevin -- http://gentgeen.homelinux.org ############################################################# Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From tkathan at charter.net Mon Jul 24 21:58:42 2006 From: tkathan at charter.net (Jim Kathan) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:58:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 64-bit working now Message-ID: <1816286839.1153778322566.JavaMail.root@fepweb11> Eric, FYI: I yanked the Intel RAID controller card inside my server and the 64-bit is installing just fine now. :) I'm using the onboard RAID. Yay! From tkathan at charter.net Mon Jul 24 21:58:51 2006 From: tkathan at charter.net (Jim Kathan) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:58:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 64-bit working now Message-ID: <330484978.1153778331675.JavaMail.root@fepweb11> Eric, FYI: I yanked the Intel RAID controller card inside my server and the 64-bit is installing just fine now. :) I'm using the onboard RAID. Yay! From tkathan at charter.net Mon Jul 24 21:59:13 2006 From: tkathan at charter.net (Jim Kathan) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:59:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 64-bit working now Message-ID: <201196731.1153778353494.JavaMail.root@fepweb11> Eric, FYI: I yanked the Intel RAID controller card inside my server and the 64-bit is installing just fine now. :) I'm using the onboard RAID. Yay! From tkathan at charter.net Mon Jul 24 21:59:19 2006 From: tkathan at charter.net (Jim Kathan) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:59:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 64-bit working now Message-ID: <1604370129.1153778359039.JavaMail.root@fepweb11> Eric, FYI: I yanked the Intel RAID controller card inside my server and the 64-bit is installing just fine now. :) I'm using the onboard RAID. Yay! From tkathan at charter.net Mon Jul 24 21:59:23 2006 From: tkathan at charter.net (Jim Kathan) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:59:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 64-bit working now Message-ID: <587957383.1153778363011.JavaMail.root@fepweb11> Eric, FYI: I yanked the Intel RAID controller card inside my server and the 64-bit is installing just fine now. :) I'm using the onboard RAID. Yay! From tkathan at charter.net Mon Jul 24 21:59:27 2006 From: tkathan at charter.net (Jim Kathan) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:59:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 64-bit working now Message-ID: <1387712142.1153778367148.JavaMail.root@fepweb11> Eric, FYI: I yanked the Intel RAID controller card inside my server and the 64-bit is installing just fine now. :) I'm using the onboard RAID. Yay! From atmlogic at kmts.ca Mon Jul 24 21:31:19 2006 From: atmlogic at kmts.ca (ATM Logic) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:31:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME server upload/download problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <010301c6af68$8189f740$f800a8c0@ATMLogic.local> I think you would want to post this on the Contribs.org forum, however, are you using the SME as a proxy server as well? What is the exact error? If you Google SME and Cache (or Squid) you should find how to flush the squid cache if that's the problem. (its something like squid -k shutdown, then copy a blank file in, then restart) Sorry I could not help further -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Judi Farley Sent: July 24, 2006 11:18 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] SME server upload/download problem I've just joined this list, and hope someone has an answer for me. I'm running SME6.01 on several school servers (different schools). We had problems with uploading a library file that was fairly large, so I changed the upload size in the templates-custom directory, and it worked fine. However, at the same time our Windows 98 machines trying to download their updates started getting the message that the cache size limited the download, and we've been unable to update anything, or run any of our web-based programs. This happened in only one school. The other one that I've been working in today has no problem even though I changed exactly the same setting. I went in and changed it back, which did nothing. Suggestions gratefully accepted!! Judi _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From robark at gmail.com Mon Jul 24 23:16:25 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:16:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Basic LTSP Question In-Reply-To: <44C52D96.3050603@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44C52BAA.5060303@gmail.com> <44C52D96.3050603@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On 7/24/06, Dan Young wrote: > > Brian wrote: > > In reading about K12LTSP, it seems like to connect to the Terminal > > Server, you need to do a network boot of sorts. > > This is typical, but not required. > > > Is this true or can you 'RDP' in to the server like a Win Terminal > Server? > > An RDP equivalent can be used; VNC, NX, and X are all options. > > > I was looking to experiment with K12LTSP on an old 500MHz machine and > > was going to connect to it from my laptop, but in reading, it looks like > > you need the client machine to be dedicated and not running another OS > > and then connecting to the Terminal Server. > > > > Am I correct or could I boot in to XP and then connect to the LTSP > server? > > You certainly could use a VNC client, FreeNX, or X/Win via Cygwin in > Windows. 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URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jul 25 02:25:11 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:25:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: <1153770466.8601.38.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <1153758872.21725.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <44C4F84F.2040005@paasda.org> <1153770466.8601.38.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <20060725022206.M96305@winonacotter.org> > 2. Switch independent method: use adaptive load balancing with the > bonding module. This requires that the kernel drivers for the NICs > support changing the MAC address on the fly for each NIC. (NOTE** > The cheap Hawking cards don't work with this as the r8169 driver > must be unloaded to change the MAC address). > > What all of the bonding method does is allow multiple Gb NICs to appear > as a single IP address so you have higher bandwidth for the clients. Here is a howto for NIC bonding in Linux: http://www.linux-corner.info/bonding.html For load balancing instead of failover simply change the "options" line in /etc/modprobe.conf to: options bond0 mode=balance-alb This only takes minutes to setup and as far as I know has virtually no limit as to what and what type of NIC's you bond. Of course, I am sure there is a practical limit. I don't have any specific data but I have been using teamed adaptors for 3 years now on dumb dell switches. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From moquist at majen.net Tue Jul 25 02:27:50 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:27:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP load balancing (on as many servers as you want!) In-Reply-To: <20060724160018.A5B8F73851@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060724160018.A5B8F73851@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060725022750.GA17216@majen.net> I've just implemented a simple-to-administer load balancing mechanism for LTSP. Gadi articulated the idea while we were at NELS, and we're talking with Jim about making it part of LTSP. But before that would ever happen, this feature needs some testing, and you can help. If you install the patch, you can list your application servers (that is, any Linux box with XDMCP enabled) in lts.conf and your thin clients will (deterministically) choose one of your application servers at random when they start their X servers. If the chosen server isn't pingable, the thin clients will remove it from the list of servers and (deterministically) choose at random from the remaining list of application servers. If/when this becomes part of LTSP, all you'll need to do for automated load balancing is list your servers in the configuration file. Read the directions and and grab the patch at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#X_Load_Balancing Feel free to email me with any questions or comments (or ideas!), and/or pop into #ltsp on irc.freenode.net to chat. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From tkathan at charter.net Tue Jul 25 03:32:21 2006 From: tkathan at charter.net (Jim Kathan) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:32:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] sorry about the multiple postings Message-ID: <000001c6af9a$f0c0a820$4000a8c0@themm> Sorry, for some reason my charter email online is sending at least 6 copies of the one email I send to this group. I can't for the life of me figure out why. I really sincerely apologize for the mass multiple emails. Thanks guys! -Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tuxnician at gmail.com Tue Jul 25 02:51:04 2006 From: tuxnician at gmail.com (Jason) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:51:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] success stories? In-Reply-To: <3659.200.214.74.35.1153738373.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> References: <20060722160018.962CE7357B@hormel.redhat.com> <1153712574.2637.40.camel@server.ltsp> <3659.200.214.74.35.1153738373.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <697a67d60607241951t25527d93l361666173d9e95d6@mail.gmail.com> It's exciting to hear about the success strories with Linux and LTSP. If this hasn't been mentioned before there is a website that is tracking locations of K12LTSP around the world. The site is located here. If you haven't listed your location please do. If you visit the site you can see how many K12LTSP are being used. Jason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Tue Jul 25 03:38:02 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:38:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: <20060725022206.M96305@winonacotter.org> References: <1153758872.21725.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <44C4F84F.2040005@paasda.org> <1153770466.8601.38.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <20060725022206.M96305@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1153798682.8601.82.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 21:25 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > 2. Switch independent method: use adaptive load balancing with the > > bonding module. This requires that the kernel drivers for the NICs > > support changing the MAC address on the fly for each NIC. (NOTE** > > The cheap Hawking cards don't work with this as the r8169 driver > > must be unloaded to change the MAC address). > > > > What all of the bonding method does is allow multiple Gb NICs to appear > > as a single IP address so you have higher bandwidth for the clients. > > Here is a howto for NIC bonding in Linux: > > http://www.linux-corner.info/bonding.html The best docs I've found so far are in the kernel sources in Documentation/networking/bonding.txt. There isn't much difference between the kernel text and the linked version, though. > > For load balancing instead of failover simply change the "options" line in > /etc/modprobe.conf to: > > options bond0 mode=balance-alb I did have problems with balance-alb using the r8169 driver for the low-cost RealTek 1000T cards. > > This only takes minutes to setup and as far as I know has virtually no limit > as to what and what type of NIC's you bond. Of course, I am sure there is a > practical limit. The really nice thing is the NIC bonded as slaves can be of mixed drivers and speeds. The bonding modules is very flexible. > > I don't have any specific data but I have been using teamed adaptors for 3 > years now on dumb dell switches. > I have an older DLink Gbit switch that just refused to support the balance-tlb or balance-alb modes (or any of the others for that matter). -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jul 25 13:16:52 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:16:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP load balancing (on as many servers as you want!) In-Reply-To: <20060725022750.GA17216@majen.net> References: <20060724160018.A5B8F73851@hormel.redhat.com> <20060725022750.GA17216@majen.net> Message-ID: <20060725131556.M45341@winonacotter.org> > If/when this becomes part of LTSP, all you'll need to do for > automated load balancing is list your servers in the configuration file. Awesome news! I don't have a setup right now to test this on but I hope it works as advertised and is implemented. This would be an excellent and needed feature. Thanks Matt -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jul 25 13:19:35 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:19:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: <1153798682.8601.82.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <1153758872.21725.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <44C4F84F.2040005@paasda.org> <1153770466.8601.38.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <20060725022206.M96305@winonacotter.org> <1153798682.8601.82.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <20060725131851.M19468@winonacotter.org> > I did have problems with balance-alb using the r8169 driver for the > low-cost RealTek 1000T cards. I almost always use the Intel Pro series cards. I have no trouble with them. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From trond at maehlum.net Tue Jul 25 13:32:31 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (Trond M=?ISO-8859-1?B?5g==?=hlum) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:32:31 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP load balancing (on as many servers as you want!) In-Reply-To: <20060725022750.GA17216@majen.net> Message-ID: On 25-07-06 04:27, "Matt Oquist" wrote: > I've just implemented a simple-to-administer load balancing mechanism > for LTSP. Gadi articulated the idea while we were at NELS, and we're > talking with Jim about making it part of LTSP. But before that would > ever happen, this feature needs some testing, and you can help. Does the patch kill X and reread the lts.conf file at logout? Or does this load-balancing only work when the terminal boots? Regards Trond Maehlum From henryhartley at westat.com Tue Jul 25 13:43:21 2006 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:43:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum config: k12ltsp vs fedorafaq Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320DABA@MAILBE2.westat.com> I've just used a set of K12LTSP 5.0.0 RC2 CDs to install a fairly bare Fedora on an oldish laptop. One thing my daughter asked was that I set it up so she can watch DVDs on the laptop while we're on a nine hour drive to the beach in a couple weeks. The Unofficial Fedora FAQ has nice, easy instructions for that and a host of other things. I thought I'd simply go through their process and be done. Unfortunately, there seems to be a conflict. When I tried to update the yum configuration (see: http://www.fedorafaq.org/#installsoftware), I issued this command: rpm -Uvh http://www.fedorafaq.org/yum http://rpm.livna.org/livna-release-5.rpm yum complained that these conflict with /etc/yum.repos.d/livna.repo and freshrpms.repo from a k12ltsp package (sorry, I don't have the machine here at work - should have brought it with me). A few of their recipes for installing things, like Flash, work with the k12ltsp configuration but others, like the final step in setting up Acrobat Reader (yum update selinux-policy libsepol), don't. I suspect I can look at their repo files and make any needed updates manually so this isn't a show stopper and I certainly understand there are bigger fish to fry. I wonder, though, what would be involved in making this something that just works. I know fedorafaq.org is unofficial but it's sort of the official, unofficial faq, as far as I can tell. How hard would it be to integrate their update with the base k12ltsp install? -- Henry From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Tue Jul 25 13:43:27 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:43:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: <20060725131851.M19468@winonacotter.org> References: <1153758872.21725.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <44C4F84F.2040005@paasda.org> <1153770466.8601.38.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <20060725022206.M96305@winonacotter.org> <1153798682.8601.82.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <20060725131851.M19468@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1153835007.3191.40.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 08:19 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I did have problems with balance-alb using the r8169 driver for the > > low-cost RealTek 1000T cards. > > I almost always use the Intel Pro series cards. I have no trouble with them. I have one of those and a pair of DLink DGE-530T and they all work perfectly. > -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Tue Jul 25 14:05:34 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:05:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum config: k12ltsp vs fedorafaq In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320DABA@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320DABA@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <1153836334.3191.59.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Hi Henry, I have found the livna repo to be an issue (mainly conflicts with other, larger repos). The freshrpms repo has the tools needed to play DVDs. You can use a text editor to set "enable=no" in the livna.repo file or use yumex and turn it off from there. I have had very good success using ogle to play DVDs. By installing the libdvdcss, it can also play the encrypted ones. Or at least I have never had a problem with any DVD that was physically playable. On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 09:43 -0400, Henry Hartley wrote: > I've just used a set of K12LTSP 5.0.0 RC2 CDs to install a fairly bare > Fedora on an oldish laptop. One thing my daughter asked was that I set > it up so she can watch DVDs on the laptop while we're on a nine hour > drive to the beach in a couple weeks. The Unofficial Fedora FAQ has > nice, easy instructions for that and a host of other things. I thought > I'd simply go through their process and be done. Unfortunately, there > seems to be a conflict. When I tried to update the yum configuration > (see: http://www.fedorafaq.org/#installsoftware), I issued this command: > > rpm -Uvh http://www.fedorafaq.org/yum > http://rpm.livna.org/livna-release-5.rpm > > yum complained that these conflict with /etc/yum.repos.d/livna.repo and > freshrpms.repo from a k12ltsp package (sorry, I don't have the machine > here at work - should have brought it with me). A few of their recipes > for installing things, like Flash, work with the k12ltsp configuration > but others, like the final step in setting up Acrobat Reader (yum update > selinux-policy libsepol), don't. I suspect I can look at their repo > files and make any needed updates manually so this isn't a show stopper > and I certainly understand there are bigger fish to fry. I wonder, > though, what would be involved in making this something that just works. > I know fedorafaq.org is unofficial but it's sort of the official, > unofficial faq, as far as I can tell. How hard would it be to integrate > their update with the base k12ltsp install? > -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What if you setup your 6 backup servers with LVM such that the backup pool files were on a separate partition and the LVM volume has enough extra room to create a read only snapshot of that partition. Then you could have a script stop backups, create snapshot, restart backups, and then rsync the snapshot to the remote location. On the remote end, you could have 6 partitions for the 6 backup servers. After each remote partition is snapshot and rsynced, you could dump it to tape. If there is not enough room for all 6 partitions, you could create them one at a time from the latest good backup. Thanks, Dale From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Jul 25 15:18:56 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:18:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: <1153771014.8601.48.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <1153771014.8601.48.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: 25 clients per server. . . we'd need about 40 servers. . .They'd never go for that. . . I was hoping to be able to serve hundreds per server. . . Not a good deal, but. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, James P. Kinney III wrote: > It really boils down to networking at the Enterprise model level. Tests > have show that a 1Gb data line can support 25 clients. > > RAM is still king as each client will need 50-75 MB of RAM. > > We had about 56 clients hanging from a dual Opteron (single core) server > w/4GB RAM and dual, bonded Gb NICs. The load level was getting heavy but > OK until firefox got loaded. At that point, swap got hit and the box > thrashed itself into oblivion. A hard reboot later (and turning OFF > swap) and it _could_ run 56 clients but it was dragging. > > So for the "Bottom dollar" person: a single chip, dual core w/ 2GB RAM > and 2 NICs (one Gb for clients, the other 100Mb for Internet) and a > 120GB hard drive will serve 25+ clients very well. This a good model for > an "app server". > > On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 10:15 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > > Hello. > > > > I finally have got my Superintendent excited about being able to use older > > hardware to save monty and use K12LTSP for thos older computers to make > > them usable again in Internet/Research/Writing labs in our schools. > > > > I have several servers that have K12LTSP installed and ready to go, > > thinking I could run many workstations from them. > > > > But when I read articles that say a district has 32 servers to deploy > > K12LTSP, I am thninking I am missing something because where is the cost > > savings in that, forst of all, and that means server updates and > > everything will have to be done on all those servers. > > > > Our Supt. is a "Bottom Dollar" kind of guy and he doesn't look at TCO so > > much as what it will cost to "get it in the door". > > > > Say I have a server with 12GB RAM, Almost a terabyte (sp?) of SCSI hard > > drive in Raid5 and Gigabit NICs. Realistically, how many workstations can > > I hang off there using Gnome, Mozilla, OOo, and several other apps on > > intermittent basis and see usable performance? > > > > Also, I have one server, running FC1 with K12LTSP and it serves DHCP IP > > addresses, but I want another server to handle the terminals. > > > > I added the next-server line to dhcpd.conf, but it still looks to the FC1 > > server to boot from. The other (preferred server) is FC3, K12LTSP and I > > think it is set up correctly. > > > > What can I look for to make the workstations boot and run from the FC3 > > server with DHCP being handled by the FC1 server? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > DeQueen Public Schools > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > Tux for President! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ > CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / > Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / > 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) > > Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 > From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jul 25 15:18:52 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:18:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum config: k12ltsp vs fedorafaq In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320DABA@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320DABA@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <44C6365C.9010301@mesd.k12.or.us> Henry Hartley wrote: > seems to be a conflict. When I tried to update the yum configuration > (see: http://www.fedorafaq.org/#installsoftware), I issued this command: > > rpm -Uvh http://www.fedorafaq.org/yum > http://rpm.livna.org/livna-release-5.rpm > > yum complained that these conflict with /etc/yum.repos.d/livna.repo and > freshrpms.repo from a k12ltsp package (sorry, I don't have the machine > here at work - should have brought it with me). A few of their recipes > for installing things, like Flash, work with the k12ltsp configuration > but others, like the final step in setting up Acrobat Reader (yum update > selinux-policy libsepol), don't. Mixing repositories can get interesting and is sort of political too. The k12ltsp-release package provides the livna repo, as does the fedorafaq RPM. JPK said he disables livna in favor of freshrpms. I do the opposite. I find that Livna integrates well with Fedora Extras and supplies the DVD CSS bits too. I'd set all repos except core and extras to enabled=0 and just add back the ones you need to make things work. What didn't work with Acrobat Reader? The SELinux update shouldn't be necessary, since Eric adds in all available Fedora updates when he rolls a new release. RC2 should already have these. FWIW, there's not much that I need to do with PDFs that Document Viewer (n?e Evince) doesn't handle these days. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jul 25 15:26:20 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:26:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: <20060725022206.M96305@winonacotter.org> References: <1153758872.21725.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <44C4F84F.2040005@paasda.org> <1153770466.8601.38.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <20060725022206.M96305@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <44C6381C.50106@paasda.org> So Jim, You just bond two Gig-E NICS, and plug them into two separate physical switches and say one switch heads off to LAB A(25 thin clients) and the other to Building B(20 thin clients). And you don't have to touch DNS configuration or anything? --Huck Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> 2. Switch independent method: use adaptive load balancing with the >> bonding module. This requires that the kernel drivers for the NICs >> support changing the MAC address on the fly for each NIC. (NOTE** >> The cheap Hawking cards don't work with this as the r8169 driver >> must be unloaded to change the MAC address). >> >> What all of the bonding method does is allow multiple Gb NICs to appear >> as a single IP address so you have higher bandwidth for the clients. > > Here is a howto for NIC bonding in Linux: > > http://www.linux-corner.info/bonding.html > > For load balancing instead of failover simply change the "options" line in > /etc/modprobe.conf to: > > options bond0 mode=balance-alb > > This only takes minutes to setup and as far as I know has virtually no limit > as to what and what type of NIC's you bond. Of course, I am sure there is a > practical limit. > > I don't have any specific data but I have been using teamed adaptors for 3 > years now on dumb dell switches. > From gumprechtm at msad3.org Tue Jul 25 15:32:28 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:32:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Bind/named not working Message-ID: <44C6398C.9020409@msad3.org> I lost power in the middle of finishing up a smb/ldap domain controller. Now when it boots it hangs on the "named" startup. The logs don't indicate anything, but after doing an interactive startup, if I skip named,nfs,smb, it will come up. If I try to start/restart/status of named, I get "connection refused: rndc failed to connect". So from here I know bind is not working. I googled, but can't seem to find a definitive answer. I tried to reinstall bind, but that didn't work. I could just blow the server and reload it, Certainly would take less time than I have in it right now, But, being still new to linux and never having had a software failure in linux before, seems like a prime opportunity for some OJT. Any help Appreciated. Mark -- ?Mark Gumprecht MSAD3 Unity, Maine 04988 gumprechtm at msad3.org From timothy.hart at gmail.com Tue Jul 25 15:53:00 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:53:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldap install woe. Message-ID: <464c38cc0607250853v49e8ce5t30d387fa15989fef@mail.gmail.com> I am setting up my smb/ldap with Dave and Matt's installer. I am using a fresh install of K12LTSP 5 RC 2. Here is the error I get on install. Is there really something wrong with the samba rpm or is it just me. samba-3.0.23-1.fc5.i386.r 100% |=========================| 16 MB 03:02 http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/samba-3.0.23-1.fc5.i386.rpm: [Errno -1] Header is not complete. Trying other mirror. Error: failure: i386/Fedora/RPMS/samba-3.0.23-1.fc5.i386.rpm from k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. Error installing required packages. Thanks for the help. I thought I remember some issue with something related to this a while back but was unable to find it in the archives. Thank. Tim Hart Glenburn School District -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Tue Jul 25 16:01:18 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:01:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <1153771014.8601.48.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <1153843278.3191.80.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 10:18 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > 25 clients per server. . . we'd need about 40 servers. . .They'd never go > for that. . . I was hoping to be able to serve hundreds per server. . . You can do more than 25/server. You can do about 25/Gbit network connection. So keep putting in more Nics until you run out of RAM :) We are doing dual socket, dual core Opteron servers w/ 8GB RAM and 4 GBit NICs to serve 100 clients. The test run done with 4GB RAM and a dual socket, single core with 2 NICs bonded ran OK loaded to 56 thin clients. This was running K12LTSP v.5 RC2 and using gnome for the desktops. At that point the system was RAM limited. My test server can take another 8GB RAM but the funds for testing aren't there. > > Not a good deal, but. . . > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, James P. Kinney III wrote: > > > It really boils down to networking at the Enterprise model level. Tests > > have show that a 1Gb data line can support 25 clients. > > > > RAM is still king as each client will need 50-75 MB of RAM. > > > > We had about 56 clients hanging from a dual Opteron (single core) server > > w/4GB RAM and dual, bonded Gb NICs. The load level was getting heavy but > > OK until firefox got loaded. At that point, swap got hit and the box > > thrashed itself into oblivion. A hard reboot later (and turning OFF > > swap) and it _could_ run 56 clients but it was dragging. > > > > So for the "Bottom dollar" person: a single chip, dual core w/ 2GB RAM > > and 2 NICs (one Gb for clients, the other 100Mb for Internet) and a > > 120GB hard drive will serve 25+ clients very well. This a good model for > > an "app server". > > > > On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 10:15 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > Hello. > > > > > > I finally have got my Superintendent excited about being able to use older > > > hardware to save monty and use K12LTSP for thos older computers to make > > > them usable again in Internet/Research/Writing labs in our schools. > > > > > > I have several servers that have K12LTSP installed and ready to go, > > > thinking I could run many workstations from them. > > > > > > But when I read articles that say a district has 32 servers to deploy > > > K12LTSP, I am thninking I am missing something because where is the cost > > > savings in that, forst of all, and that means server updates and > > > everything will have to be done on all those servers. > > > > > > Our Supt. is a "Bottom Dollar" kind of guy and he doesn't look at TCO so > > > much as what it will cost to "get it in the door". > > > > > > Say I have a server with 12GB RAM, Almost a terabyte (sp?) of SCSI hard > > > drive in Raid5 and Gigabit NICs. Realistically, how many workstations can > > > I hang off there using Gnome, Mozilla, OOo, and several other apps on > > > intermittent basis and see usable performance? > > > > > > Also, I have one server, running FC1 with K12LTSP and it serves DHCP IP > > > addresses, but I want another server to handle the terminals. > > > > > > I added the next-server line to dhcpd.conf, but it still looks to the FC1 > > > server to boot from. The other (preferred server) is FC3, K12LTSP and I > > > think it is set up correctly. > > > > > > What can I look for to make the workstations boot and run from the FC3 > > > server with DHCP being handled by the FC1 server? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Doug Simpson > > > Technology Specialist > > > DeQueen Public Schools > > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > > Tux for President! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > -- > > James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ > > CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / > > Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / > > 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ > > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. 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From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Tue Jul 25 16:04:09 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:04:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldap install woe. In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0607250853v49e8ce5t30d387fa15989fef@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0607250853v49e8ce5t30d387fa15989fef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1153843449.3191.83.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> That is a yum issue. Basically the mirror is not ready yet. You can try "yum clean all" which will clear out all cached data for the yum process. Then try the yum install again. On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 11:53 -0400, Timothy Hart wrote: > I am setting up my smb/ldap with Dave and Matt's installer. I am using > a fresh install of K12LTSP 5 RC 2. Here is the error I get on install. > Is there really something wrong with the samba rpm or is it just me. > > samba-3.0.23-1.fc5.i386.r 100% |=========================| 16 MB > 03:02 > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/samba-3.0.23-1.fc5.i386.rpm: [Errno -1] Header is not complete. > Trying other mirror. > Error: failure: i386/Fedora/RPMS/samba-3.0.23-1.fc5.i386.rpm from > k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. > Error installing required packages. > > > Thanks for the help. I thought I remember some issue with something > related to this a while back but was unable to find it in the > archives. Thank. > > Tim Hart > Glenburn School District > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From petre at maltzen.net Tue Jul 25 16:05:25 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:05:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <1153771014.8601.48.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <44C64145.30905@maltzen.net> Look into using application servers, that is, off-loading certain (or all) apps to dedicated servers. Five years ago, the City of Largo, FL was getting 240 users onto a pair of 900mhz dual CPU terminal servers by moving all the apps off of the TS onto dedicated servers; they carried it to its logical conclusion by devoting each app to its own server. When the user calls an app on another server, the traffic is just between the client and the app server, so you're not using up the bandwidth of the terminal server. This way if you find that, say, OOo is really hogging resources, you only have to find way to add a more hardware for that app, not the whole system. It's also easier for non-tech people to understand why you want more money to beef up the system when you can point to a particular app as being demanding. There are other comprmises you can make to squeeze more users onto a given box: use IceWM instead of Gnome, Abiword instead of OOo Writer, etc. But if you really want to scale up, I think app servers are the route to go. If you NFS mount /home on the app boxes, you can do it all over SSH. Petre Doug Simpson wrote: > 25 clients per server. . . we'd need about 40 servers. . .They'd never go > for that. . . I was hoping to be able to serve hundreds per server. . . > > Not a good deal, but. . . > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, James P. Kinney III wrote: > >> It really boils down to networking at the Enterprise model level. Tests >> have show that a 1Gb data line can support 25 clients. >> >> RAM is still king as each client will need 50-75 MB of RAM. >> >> We had about 56 clients hanging from a dual Opteron (single core) server >> w/4GB RAM and dual, bonded Gb NICs. The load level was getting heavy but >> OK until firefox got loaded. At that point, swap got hit and the box >> thrashed itself into oblivion. A hard reboot later (and turning OFF >> swap) and it _could_ run 56 clients but it was dragging. >> >> So for the "Bottom dollar" person: a single chip, dual core w/ 2GB RAM >> and 2 NICs (one Gb for clients, the other 100Mb for Internet) and a >> 120GB hard drive will serve 25+ clients very well. This a good model for >> an "app server". >> >> On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 10:15 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: >>> Hello. >>> >>> I finally have got my Superintendent excited about being able to use older >>> hardware to save monty and use K12LTSP for thos older computers to make >>> them usable again in Internet/Research/Writing labs in our schools. >>> >>> I have several servers that have K12LTSP installed and ready to go, >>> thinking I could run many workstations from them. >>> >>> But when I read articles that say a district has 32 servers to deploy >>> K12LTSP, I am thninking I am missing something because where is the cost >>> savings in that, forst of all, and that means server updates and >>> everything will have to be done on all those servers. >>> >>> Our Supt. is a "Bottom Dollar" kind of guy and he doesn't look at TCO so >>> much as what it will cost to "get it in the door". >>> >>> Say I have a server with 12GB RAM, Almost a terabyte (sp?) of SCSI hard >>> drive in Raid5 and Gigabit NICs. Realistically, how many workstations can >>> I hang off there using Gnome, Mozilla, OOo, and several other apps on >>> intermittent basis and see usable performance? >>> >>> Also, I have one server, running FC1 with K12LTSP and it serves DHCP IP >>> addresses, but I want another server to handle the terminals. >>> >>> I added the next-server line to dhcpd.conf, but it still looks to the FC1 >>> server to boot from. The other (preferred server) is FC3, K12LTSP and I >>> think it is set up correctly. >>> >>> What can I look for to make the workstations boot and run from the FC3 >>> server with DHCP being handled by the FC1 server? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Doug Simpson >>> Technology Specialist >>> DeQueen Public Schools >>> DeQueen, AR 71832 >>> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> Tux for President! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> -- >> James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ >> CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / >> Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / >> 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ >> http://www.localnetsolutions.com >> >> GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) >> >> Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Tue Jul 25 16:24:15 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:24:15 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: PXE booting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is the message from Chip PC company. No sure what to make of it. Can you use PXE for LTSP or not? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Chip PC Support Date: 25-Jul-2006 20:37 Subject: RE: PXE booting To: krsnendu108 at gmail.com Cc: Ronit Pasternak Hi David, Thank you for applying Chip PC, The straight-forward answer at this point in time to your question is NO, in terms that Jack PC supports PXE boot but only with Chip PC image that is CE-based. The following link explains how use PXE with the Chip PC devices. Note that the scenario requires image 6.5.x loaded on the Jack PC + XG to act as a PXE server http://www.chippc.com/support/kbase/answer.asp?ID=CKB00152. Please address technical support questions through the following link, http://www.chippc.com/support/request in order for them to be recorded into our support database. One of Chip PC technical support team member will examine your case and contact you with a solution or to gather more information. Best Regards, Chip PC support team ------------------------------ *From:* Ronit Pasternak *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:07 PM *To:* 'krsnendu108 at gmail.com' *Cc:* Amit Sheinbox; Efrat Alon *Subject:* RE: PXE booting Hello David, I have forwarded this to our technical support department. kind regards, Ronit ____________________________ Ronit Pasternak Chip PC, Marcom & HF Tel: 972-4-8501-121 ext. 111 Fax: 972-4-8501-088 Mobile: 972-523-864-536 email: ronit at chippc.com -----Original Message----- *From:* krsnendu108 at gmail.com [mailto:krsnendu108 at gmail.com] *Posted At:* Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:00 PM *Posted To:* Chip PC Info *Conversation:* PXE booting *Subject:* PXE booting *Customer Details * * ------------------------------ * ** Company: Hare Krishna School Name: David Family: Knight Address: PO Box 349 City: Auckland Country: New Zealand Email: krsnendu108 at gmail.com Phone: +64212657587 Fax: +6494126326 Contact me by: Email *Message * * ------------------------------ * ** Hello, We are interested in you product JackPC. We are running the K12LTSP Linux thin client system at our school and your devices sound like a great match at the client end. We just require PXE (or etherboot) in order to download the operation system from the client. This is a standard feature on modern motherboards for PCs. Does you system provide this feature? Thank you in advance. David Knight ------------------------------ please note: this email was generated by Chip PC website and was mailed automatically -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jul 25 16:33:03 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:33:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: PXE booting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44C647BF.6020801@mesd.k12.or.us> Looks like it technically can, but only temporarily as a "rescue mode" to load different firmware on the machine. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > This is the message from Chip PC company. No sure what to make of it. > Can you use PXE for LTSP or not? > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Chip PC Support * > > Date: 25-Jul-2006 20:37 > Subject: RE: PXE booting > To: krsnendu108 at gmail.com > Cc: Ronit Pasternak < ronit at chippc.com > > > Hi David, > > > > Thank you for applying Chip PC, > > > > The straight-forward answer at this point in time to your question is > NO, in terms that Jack PC supports PXE boot but only with Chip PC image > that is CE-based. > > The following link explains how use PXE with the Chip PC devices. Note > that the scenario requires image 6.5.x loaded on the Jack PC + XG to act > as a PXE server > http://www.chippc.com/support/kbase/answer.asp?ID=CKB00152 > . > > > > Please address technical support questions through the following link, > http://www.chippc.com/support/request in order for them to be recorded > into our support database. One of Chip PC technical support team member > will examine your case and contact you with a solution or to gather more > information. > > > > Best Regards, > > Chip PC support team > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Ronit Pasternak > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:07 PM > *To:* 'krsnendu108 at gmail.com ' > *Cc:* Amit Sheinbox; Efrat Alon > *Subject:* RE: PXE booting > > > > Hello David, > > > > I have forwarded this to our technical support department. > > > > kind regards, > > Ronit > > ____________________________ > > Ronit Pasternak > > Chip PC, Marcom & HF > > Tel: 972-4-8501-121 ext. 111 > Fax: 972-4-8501-088 > Mobile: 972-523-864-536 > email: ronit at chippc.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* krsnendu108 at gmail.com > [mailto:krsnendu108 at gmail.com ] > *Posted At:* Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:00 PM > *Posted To:* Chip PC Info > *Conversation:* PXE booting > *Subject:* PXE booting > > *Customer Details * > > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > * > > ** > > Company: > > > > Hare Krishna School > > Name: > > > > David > > Family: > > > > Knight > > Address: > > > > PO Box 349 > > City: > > > > Auckland > > Country: > > > > New Zealand > > Email: > > > > krsnendu108 at gmail.com > > Phone: > > > > +64212657587 > > Fax: > > > > +6494126326 > > Contact me by: > > > > Email > > > > > > > > > *Message * > > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > * > > ** > > > > > > Hello, We are interested in you product JackPC. We are running the > K12LTSP Linux thin client system at our school and your devices > sound like a great match at the client end. We just require PXE (or > etherboot) in order to download the operation system from the > client. This is a standard feature on modern motherboards for PCs. > Does you system provide this feature? Thank you in advance. David Knight > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > please note: this email was generated by Chip PC website and was > mailed automatically > > > > -- > Please note my new email address- > krsnendu108 at gmail.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From robark at gmail.com Tue Jul 25 16:39:40 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:39:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <1153771014.8601.48.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: On 7/25/06, Doug Simpson wrote: > > 25 clients per server. . . we'd need about 40 servers. . .They'd never go > for that. . . I was hoping to be able to serve hundreds per server. . . If you are going to have hundreds on at the same time running Firefox and OOo on 1 server (maybe the entire school): Go Opteron. A single 2.0 Ghz Opteron can handle about 25 clients. That's about 80 Mhz / client (BTW Xeons require about 100Mhz/client). If you get a dual Opteron MB that supports dual-core cpu's you can put 4 cores it ( two Opteron 270's ) That should be able to support 100 clients simultaneously provided you have about 80mb ram / client and use Icewm. So you will need 8G ram. Make sure you have 15K rpm SCSI drives in Raid 1 or 5 with an LSI or 3ware controller (preferably with it's own cache) and of course a Gigabit NIC on eth0. The quad cpu motherboards and 800 series Opterons are *VERY* expensive. Not a good deal, but. . . > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, James P. Kinney III wrote: > > > It really boils down to networking at the Enterprise model level. Tests > > have show that a 1Gb data line can support 25 clients. > > > > RAM is still king as each client will need 50-75 MB of RAM. > > > > We had about 56 clients hanging from a dual Opteron (single core) server > > w/4GB RAM and dual, bonded Gb NICs. The load level was getting heavy but > > OK until firefox got loaded. At that point, swap got hit and the box > > thrashed itself into oblivion. A hard reboot later (and turning OFF > > swap) and it _could_ run 56 clients but it was dragging. > > > > So for the "Bottom dollar" person: a single chip, dual core w/ 2GB RAM > > and 2 NICs (one Gb for clients, the other 100Mb for Internet) and a > > 120GB hard drive will serve 25+ clients very well. This a good model for > > an "app server". > > > > On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 10:15 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > Hello. > > > > > > I finally have got my Superintendent excited about being able to use > older > > > hardware to save monty and use K12LTSP for thos older computers to > make > > > them usable again in Internet/Research/Writing labs in our schools. > > > > > > I have several servers that have K12LTSP installed and ready to go, > > > thinking I could run many workstations from them. > > > > > > But when I read articles that say a district has 32 servers to deploy > > > K12LTSP, I am thninking I am missing something because where is the > cost > > > savings in that, forst of all, and that means server updates and > > > everything will have to be done on all those servers. > > > > > > Our Supt. is a "Bottom Dollar" kind of guy and he doesn't look at TCO > so > > > much as what it will cost to "get it in the door". > > > > > > Say I have a server with 12GB RAM, Almost a terabyte (sp?) of SCSI > hard > > > drive in Raid5 and Gigabit NICs. Realistically, how many workstations > can > > > I hang off there using Gnome, Mozilla, OOo, and several other apps on > > > intermittent basis and see usable performance? > > > > > > Also, I have one server, running FC1 with K12LTSP and it serves DHCP > IP > > > addresses, but I want another server to handle the terminals. > > > > > > I added the next-server line to dhcpd.conf, but it still looks to the > FC1 > > > server to boot from. The other (preferred server) is FC3, K12LTSP and > I > > > think it is set up correctly. > > > > > > What can I look for to make the workstations boot and run from the FC3 > > > server with DHCP being handled by the FC1 server? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Doug Simpson > > > Technology Specialist > > > DeQueen Public Schools > > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > > Tux for President! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > -- > > James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ > > CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / > > Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / > > 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ > > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) > > > > Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moquist at majen.net Tue Jul 25 16:56:44 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:56:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: LTSP load balancing (on as many servers as you want!) (Trond M ? hlum) In-Reply-To: <20060725160021.0F5CD738F1@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060725160021.0F5CD738F1@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060725165644.GC16217@majen.net> > From: Trond M ? hlum > Does the patch kill X and reread the lts.conf file at logout? Or does this > load-balancing only work when the terminal boots? Unless you specify XDM_RANDOM in the lts.conf, the thin client deterministically chooses an application server from the specified list of available servers. Since this selection is deterministic (the MAC address is effectively used as a hash into the list of servers), the only reason a TC will switch to a different application server is if the server it's on now goes down. So yes, this is only boot-time load balancing. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From timothy.hart at gmail.com Tue Jul 25 16:56:29 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:56:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldap install woe. In-Reply-To: <1153843449.3191.83.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <464c38cc0607250853v49e8ce5t30d387fa15989fef@mail.gmail.com> <1153843449.3191.83.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <464c38cc0607250956s34687961r5170245b4b200bd9@mail.gmail.com> Hmm. That didn't work either. Thanks though. I just installed the rpm manually (if you can call installing an rpm manual) and it worked great. Thanks. Tim On 7/25/06, James P. Kinney III wrote: > > That is a yum issue. Basically the mirror is not ready yet. You can try > "yum clean all" which will clear out all cached data for the yum > process. Then try the yum install again. > > On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 11:53 -0400, Timothy Hart wrote: > > I am setting up my smb/ldap with Dave and Matt's installer. I am using > > a fresh install of K12LTSP 5 RC 2. Here is the error I get on install. > > Is there really something wrong with the samba rpm or is it just me. > > > > samba-3.0.23-1.fc5.i386.r 100% |=========================| 16 MB > > 03:02 > > > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/samba-3.0.23-1.fc5.i386.rpm: > [Errno -1] Header is not complete. > > Trying other mirror. > > Error: failure: i386/Fedora/RPMS/samba-3.0.23-1.fc5.i386.rpm from > > k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. > > Error installing required packages. > > > > > > Thanks for the help. I thought I remember some issue with something > > related to this a while back but was unable to find it in the > > archives. Thank. > > > > Tim Hart > > Glenburn School District > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -- > James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ > CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / > Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / > 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) > > Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQBExkD5YZCtw4KcbKcRAk4LAKCJvj6tNLBBaS1x8UAE8P7/huMcGQCeJAaA > 4+kPXJouS27SrkOmvhx6Lfk= > =haAO > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jul 25 17:14:01 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:14:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: <20060725022206.M96305@winonacotter.org> References: <1153758872.21725.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <44C4F84F.2040005@paasda.org> <1153770466.8601.38.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <20060725022206.M96305@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <44C65159.70509@paasda.org> Incredibly SIMPLE!!! =) Thanks for the link! --Huck Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> 2. Switch independent method: use adaptive load balancing with the >> bonding module. This requires that the kernel drivers for the NICs >> support changing the MAC address on the fly for each NIC. (NOTE** >> The cheap Hawking cards don't work with this as the r8169 driver >> must be unloaded to change the MAC address). >> >> What all of the bonding method does is allow multiple Gb NICs to appear >> as a single IP address so you have higher bandwidth for the clients. > > Here is a howto for NIC bonding in Linux: > > http://www.linux-corner.info/bonding.html > > For load balancing instead of failover simply change the "options" line in > /etc/modprobe.conf to: > > options bond0 mode=balance-alb > > This only takes minutes to setup and as far as I know has virtually no limit > as to what and what type of NIC's you bond. Of course, I am sure there is a > practical limit. > > I don't have any specific data but I have been using teamed adaptors for 3 > years now on dumb dell switches. > From luis.montes at cox.net Tue Jul 25 17:34:29 2006 From: luis.montes at cox.net (luis.montes at cox.net) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:34:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] smb/ldap install woe. Message-ID: <1448140.1153848870061.JavaMail.root@fed1wml10.mgt.cox.net> I'm about to start this smbldap stuff as well. Question: Wouldn't it be easier to just install samba from the k12ltsp5 or fc5 disks at the time of installing the OS? Just curious because I'm not sure what packages should be on the OS before starting the installer script. Luis ---- Timothy Hart wrote: > Hmm. That didn't work either. Thanks though. I just installed the rpm > manually (if you can call installing an rpm manual) and it worked great. > Thanks. > > Tim > > On 7/25/06, James P. Kinney III wrote: > > > > That is a yum issue. Basically the mirror is not ready yet. You can try > > "yum clean all" which will clear out all cached data for the yum > > process. Then try the yum install again. > > > > On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 11:53 -0400, Timothy Hart wrote: > > > I am setting up my smb/ldap with Dave and Matt's installer. I am using > > > a fresh install of K12LTSP 5 RC 2. Here is the error I get on install. > > > Is there really something wrong with the samba rpm or is it just me. > > > > > > samba-3.0.23-1.fc5.i386.r 100% |=========================| 16 MB > > > 03:02 > > > > > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/i386/Fedora/RPMS/samba-3.0.23-1.fc5.i386.rpm: > > [Errno -1] Header is not complete. > > > Trying other mirror. > > > Error: failure: i386/Fedora/RPMS/samba-3.0.23-1.fc5.i386.rpm from > > > k12ltsp: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try. > > > Error installing required packages. > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the help. I thought I remember some issue with something > > > related to this a while back but was unable to find it in the > > > archives. Thank. > > > > > > Tim Hart > > > Glenburn School District > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > -- > > James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ > > CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / > > Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / > > 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ > > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) > > > > Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQBExkD5YZCtw4KcbKcRAk4LAKCJvj6tNLBBaS1x8UAE8P7/huMcGQCeJAaA > > 4+kPXJouS27SrkOmvhx6Lfk= > > =haAO > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Jul 25 17:40:22 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:10:22 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <1153771014.8601.48.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <774593a20607251040l2ae36c0aicbcda79a2a466064@mail.gmail.com> On 25/07/06, Doug Simpson wrote: > 25 clients per server. . . we'd need about 40 servers. . .They'd never go > for that. . . I was hoping to be able to serve hundreds per server. . . > > Not a good deal, but. . . I am running up to 45 clients (I feel it can top 60) with dual core 64bit AMD running Ubuntu and Icewm forced for all clients. Hundreds? Off a single server? With shell access yes but for GUI you may end us with some beefy server. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From les at futuresource.com Tue Jul 25 17:43:07 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:43:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Separate server (was K12LTSP, Servers, etc. . .) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1153849388.31429.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 11:04 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > Background: > > Server A runs DHCP. > Server B is where I want the terminals to boot from. > > > I have added next-server and fixed the root_path variables in server A > to point to Server B to the correct entries and now I get: > > nfs: server 10.40.12.3 not responding, still trying. . . > > IP address for Server B is correct. > > It mounts /opt/ltsp/i386 and then tried to do the pivot_root and then this > error comes up. > > What am I missing? Look at your /etc/exports file. If you have the default settings it will restrict access to the internal subnet (2nd NIC). Also be sure you aren't running a firewall on the external NIC. showmount -e 10.40.12.3 from a machine on the same network as the client should show that the exports are available. -- Les Mikesell les at gmail.com From nick.hadgis at gmail.com Tue Jul 25 17:45:25 2006 From: nick.hadgis at gmail.com (Nick Hadgis) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:45:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Bind/named not working In-Reply-To: <44C6398C.9020409@msad3.org> References: <44C6398C.9020409@msad3.org> Message-ID: <400d33020607251045v4050b125wc88fecd4561787f7@mail.gmail.com> Hi Mark, I've run into this before on FC5 1) boot server in single user mode - At the grub boot screen, press any key - Select the kernel entry from the grub menu and press 'e' to edit this line - Select the line starting with "kernel /vmlinuz...." and press 'e' to edit this line - At the end of this line, add 'single' [then press enter] to boot in single user mode - On the next screen press 'b' to boot this line - your system will boot to a root prompt 2) stop named from starting on server boot (chkconfig named off) 3) reboot your server (your server will not boot in single user mode) When the server comes back up, open a root console and see if named will start up now (service named start) If named starts up OK, don't forget to have named start during the next reboot (chkconfig named on) This worked for me, sorry, I don't know the hows/whys. -Nick On 7/25/06, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I lost power in the middle of finishing up a smb/ldap domain controller. > Now when it boots it hangs on the "named" startup. The logs don't > indicate anything, but after doing an interactive startup, if I skip > named,nfs,smb, it will come up. If I try to start/restart/status of > named, I get "connection refused: rndc failed to connect". So from here > I know bind is not working. I googled, but can't seem to find a > definitive answer. I tried to reinstall bind, but that didn't work. I > could just blow the server and reload it, Certainly would take less time > than I have in it right now, But, being still new to linux and never > having had a software failure in linux before, seems like a prime > opportunity for some OJT. > Any help Appreciated. > Mark > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > MSAD3 > Unity, Maine 04988 > gumprechtm at msad3.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Tue Jul 25 17:59:46 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:59:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum config: k12ltsp vs fedorafaq In-Reply-To: <1153836334.3191.59.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0320DABA@MAILBE2.westat.com> <1153836334.3191.59.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <1153850386.31429.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 10:05 -0400, James P. Kinney III wrote: > Hi Henry, > > I have found the livna repo to be an issue (mainly conflicts with other, > larger repos). The freshrpms repo has the tools needed to play DVDs. You > can use a text editor to set "enable=no" in the livna.repo file or use > yumex and turn it off from there. I think I'd say that the other way around: that is that the third party repositories other than livna are likely to conflict with each other as well as core/extras/livna. The latter 3 should never conflict with with each other. > I have had very good success using ogle to play DVDs. By installing the > libdvdcss, it can also play the encrypted ones. Or at least I have never > had a problem with any DVD that was physically playable. Videolan Client (vlc) should play about anything you throw at it. --- Les Miksell les at futuresource.com From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Jul 25 18:05:54 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:05:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <1153771014.8601.48.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: Already have these servers and will have to use them,. . . the one I am wanting to boot from is a dual xeon 3G (I think) with12MB RAM and GB NICs. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 25 Jul 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 7/25/06, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > > 25 clients per server. . . we'd need about 40 servers. . .They'd never go > > for that. . . I was hoping to be able to serve hundreds per server. . . > > > > If you are going to have hundreds on at the same time running Firefox and > OOo on 1 server (maybe the entire school): > > > Go Opteron. > A single 2.0 Ghz Opteron can handle about 25 clients. That's about 80 Mhz / > client (BTW Xeons require about 100Mhz/client). If you get a dual Opteron > MB that supports dual-core cpu's you can put 4 cores it ( two Opteron 270's > ) That should be able to support 100 clients simultaneously provided you > have about 80mb ram / client and use Icewm. So you will need 8G ram. Make > sure you have 15K rpm SCSI drives in Raid 1 or 5 with an LSI or 3ware > controller (preferably with it's own cache) and of course a Gigabit NIC on > eth0. The quad cpu motherboards and 800 series Opterons are *VERY* > expensive. > > > > Not a good deal, but. . . > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > DeQueen Public Schools > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > Tux for President! > > > > On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, James P. Kinney III wrote: > > > > > It really boils down to networking at the Enterprise model level. Tests > > > have show that a 1Gb data line can support 25 clients. > > > > > > RAM is still king as each client will need 50-75 MB of RAM. > > > > > > We had about 56 clients hanging from a dual Opteron (single core) server > > > w/4GB RAM and dual, bonded Gb NICs. The load level was getting heavy but > > > OK until firefox got loaded. At that point, swap got hit and the box > > > thrashed itself into oblivion. A hard reboot later (and turning OFF > > > swap) and it _could_ run 56 clients but it was dragging. > > > > > > So for the "Bottom dollar" person: a single chip, dual core w/ 2GB RAM > > > and 2 NICs (one Gb for clients, the other 100Mb for Internet) and a > > > 120GB hard drive will serve 25+ clients very well. This a good model for > > > an "app server". > > > > > > On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 10:15 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > > Hello. > > > > > > > > I finally have got my Superintendent excited about being able to use > > older > > > > hardware to save monty and use K12LTSP for thos older computers to > > make > > > > them usable again in Internet/Research/Writing labs in our schools. > > > > > > > > I have several servers that have K12LTSP installed and ready to go, > > > > thinking I could run many workstations from them. > > > > > > > > But when I read articles that say a district has 32 servers to deploy > > > > K12LTSP, I am thninking I am missing something because where is the > > cost > > > > savings in that, forst of all, and that means server updates and > > > > everything will have to be done on all those servers. > > > > > > > > Our Supt. is a "Bottom Dollar" kind of guy and he doesn't look at TCO > > so > > > > much as what it will cost to "get it in the door". > > > > > > > > Say I have a server with 12GB RAM, Almost a terabyte (sp?) of SCSI > > hard > > > > drive in Raid5 and Gigabit NICs. Realistically, how many workstations > > can > > > > I hang off there using Gnome, Mozilla, OOo, and several other apps on > > > > intermittent basis and see usable performance? > > > > > > > > Also, I have one server, running FC1 with K12LTSP and it serves DHCP > > IP > > > > addresses, but I want another server to handle the terminals. > > > > > > > > I added the next-server line to dhcpd.conf, but it still looks to the > > FC1 > > > > server to boot from. The other (preferred server) is FC3, K12LTSP and > > I > > > > think it is set up correctly. > > > > > > > > What can I look for to make the workstations boot and run from the FC3 > > > > server with DHCP being handled by the FC1 server? > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > Doug Simpson > > > > Technology Specialist > > > > DeQueen Public Schools > > > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > > > Tux for President! > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > -- > > > James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ > > > CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / > > > Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / > > > 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ > > > http://www.localnetsolutions.com > > > > > > GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) > > > > > > Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > From les at futuresource.com Tue Jul 25 18:06:05 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:06:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: <44C6381C.50106@paasda.org> References: <1153758872.21725.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <44C4F84F.2040005@paasda.org> <1153770466.8601.38.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <20060725022206.M96305@winonacotter.org> <44C6381C.50106@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1153850765.31429.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 08:26 -0700, Huck wrote: > So Jim, > > You just bond two Gig-E NICS, and plug them into two separate physical > switches and say one switch heads off to LAB A(25 thin clients) and the > other to Building B(20 thin clients). > > And you don't have to touch DNS configuration or anything? Bonded NICs have to go to the same switch and will help if the bottleneck is only within the interface to that switch. If you have many clients connected to other ports on the same switch it will probably help. If you have clients distributed across many switches connected with a 1 gig backbone, it won't help as much to give the server a 2 gig uplink to its nearby switch. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Jul 25 18:08:53 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:08:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Separate server (was K12LTSP, Servers, etc. . .) In-Reply-To: <1153849388.31429.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1153849388.31429.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: Apparently, the exports are right. (or are they?) Export list for 10.40.12.3: /opt/ltsp 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 /opt/ltsp/i386 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 /usr/share/fonts 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 /usr/share/AbiSuite/fonts 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 /usr/lib/openoffice/share/fonts 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 [root at leopards root]# [root at leopards root]# Any errors in there? Or other ideas? Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 25 Jul 2006, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 11:04 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > > Background: > > > > Server A runs DHCP. > > Server B is where I want the terminals to boot from. > > > > > > I have added next-server and fixed the root_path variables in server A > > to point to Server B to the correct entries and now I get: > > > > nfs: server 10.40.12.3 not responding, still trying. . . > > > > IP address for Server B is correct. > > > > It mounts /opt/ltsp/i386 and then tried to do the pivot_root and then this > > error comes up. > > > > What am I missing? > > Look at your /etc/exports file. If you have the default settings > it will restrict access to the internal subnet (2nd NIC). Also > be sure you aren't running a firewall on the external NIC. > showmount -e 10.40.12.3 > from a machine on the same network as the client should show > that the exports are available. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Tue Jul 25 18:23:32 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:23:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Separate server (was K12LTSP, Servers, etc. . .) In-Reply-To: References: <1153849388.31429.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1153851812.31429.36.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 13:08 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > Apparently, the exports are right. (or are they?) > > Export list for 10.40.12.3: > /opt/ltsp 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 > /opt/ltsp/i386 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 > /usr/share/fonts 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 > /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 > /usr/share/AbiSuite/fonts 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 > /usr/lib/openoffice/share/fonts 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 > [root at leopards root]# > [root at leopards root]# > > Any errors in there? Or other ideas? Is this a 1 or 2 NIC configuration and are the clients going to get addresses in that range? Also, how are you booting? I saw a problem like this with the generic boot ISO that Eric put up for FTP a long time ago trying to connect to the most recent K12LTSP version but have not had a problem with either PXE or the universal boot floppy. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Jul 25 18:28:00 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:28:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Separate server (was K12LTSP, Servers, etc. . .) In-Reply-To: <1153851812.31429.36.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1153849388.31429.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1153851812.31429.36.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: > On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 13:08 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > > Apparently, the exports are right. (or are they?) > > > > Export list for 10.40.12.3: > > /opt/ltsp 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 > > /opt/ltsp/i386 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 > > /usr/share/fonts 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 > > /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 > > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 > > /usr/share/AbiSuite/fonts 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 > > /usr/lib/openoffice/share/fonts 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 > > [root at leopards root]# > > [root at leopards root]# > > > > Any errors in there? Or other ideas? > > Is this a 1 or 2 NIC configuration and are the clients going two NICs, but the other is public. the 10.40.x.x range is system-side. . . Both servers are insude that range and Server A is handing out those numbers. Booting PXE from BIOS in an Intel MB. . . Doug > to get addresses in that range? Also, how are you booting? I > saw a problem like this with the generic boot ISO that Eric > put up for FTP a long time ago trying to connect to the most > recent K12LTSP version but have not had a problem with either > PXE or the universal boot floppy. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Tue Jul 25 18:28:07 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:28:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <1153771014.8601.48.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <1153852088.31429.42.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 13:05 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > Already have these servers and will have to use them,. . . > > the one I am wanting to boot from is a dual xeon 3G (I think) with12MB RAM > and GB NICs. Will the clients be local to the servers? I'd expect a box like that to work nicely with at least 2 24 port switches each connected with a gig uplink and loaded with clients and probably not slow down much with 3. The place you'll have trouble is getting that much bandwidth out to distributed clients. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Jul 25 18:31:54 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:31:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: <1153852088.31429.42.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1153771014.8601.48.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <1153852088.31429.42.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: The workstations will be scattered out over the district. . . not the best, I know, but this network wasn't built with TS in mind. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 25 Jul 2006, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 13:05 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > > Already have these servers and will have to use them,. . . > > > > the one I am wanting to boot from is a dual xeon 3G (I think) with12MB RAM > > and GB NICs. > > Will the clients be local to the servers? I'd expect a box like that > to work nicely with at least 2 24 port switches each connected with > a gig uplink and loaded with clients and probably not slow down much > with 3. The place you'll have trouble is getting that much bandwidth > out to distributed clients. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From moquist at majen.net Tue Jul 25 18:37:21 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:37:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: smb/ldap install woe. (luis.montes@cox.net) In-Reply-To: <20060725180600.A88B2737E6@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060725180600.A88B2737E6@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060725183721.GF16217@majen.net> > From: > I'm about to start this smbldap stuff as well. > Question: Wouldn't it be easier to just install samba from the > k12ltsp5 or fc5 disks at the time of installing the OS? Just > curious because I'm not sure what packages should be on the OS > before starting the installer script. It shouldn't matter. The smbldap-install script (which runs automatically as part of the installer) does its best to make sure you have all the required packages. Aside from yum problems and a bug in samba-3.0.23 (which you automatically get if you 'yum upgrade') you should just be able to run the script on a fresh system. In fact, I recommend that you run it on a fresh system. See http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/BugsAndNotes for more info on the aforementioned bug. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jul 25 18:38:26 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:38:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: <1153850765.31429.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1153758872.21725.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <44C4F84F.2040005@paasda.org> <1153770466.8601.38.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <20060725022206.M96305@winonacotter.org> <44C6381C.50106@paasda.org> <1153850765.31429.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20060725182628.M4345@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:06:05 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote > On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 08:26 -0700, Huck wrote: > > So Jim, > > > > You just bond two Gig-E NICS, and plug them into two separate physical > > switches and say one switch heads off to LAB A(25 thin clients) and the > > other to Building B(20 thin clients). > > > > And you don't have to touch DNS configuration or anything? > > Bonded NICs have to go to the same switch and will help if the > bottleneck is only within the interface to that switch. If you > have many clients connected to other ports on the same switch it > will probably help. If you have clients distributed across many > switches connected with a 1 gig backbone, it won't help as > much to give the server a 2 gig uplink to its nearby switch. Exactly as Les said. They need to all go into the same switch. We have all of our servers here plugged into the same gigabit switch, so at least transfers between servers is very fast. Then there is a gigabit backbone from the MDF to all IDF's. We try to keep to no more than 48 clients per gigabit run. So if our IDF's have six 24 ports switches we run three gigabit runs and chain the switches in pairs. We use a combination of cat5e copper and fiber to make the runs depending on the length. And all runs lead back to the main gigabit switch in the MDF. As things grow and expand we are exceeding capacity on our network, especially with the possibility of IP phones in the near future. Hopefully low dollar 10GB technology develops quickly :-) Another option that would help relieve network bottlenecks is to do as I have seen in other tutorials and have all application servers talk to the boot server via a backend network backbone on a completely different set of NIC's and switches. In theory I guess that takes the traffic of the servers talking to each other off of the network used to boot and serve clients. You could even use the adaptor teaming to this effect and create bond0 on the client side with 2 or 3 GB NIC's on say IP scheme 192.168.0.x and create bond1 on the application server side with 2 or 3 NIC's on another IP scheme of 192.168.1.x all in the same LTSP boot server. Then all application servers bonds would be setup on the 192.168.1.x network as well and then connect them all together with a gigabit switch. I would think that could handle a fairly beefy setup. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Tue Jul 25 18:40:06 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:40:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <1153771014.8601.48.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <1153852088.31429.42.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1153852807.31429.48.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 13:31 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > The workstations will be scattered out over the district. . . not the > best, I know, but this network wasn't built with TS in mind. . . That's where it is a win to have local servers that have a reasonable CPU speed and lots of RAM but are otherwise cheap and more or less disposable, with only the authentication and home directory server needing to be 'server quality' boxes. What kind of bandwidth do you have between the clients and server location? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Tue Jul 25 18:49:42 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:49:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Separate server (was K12LTSP, Servers, etc. . .) In-Reply-To: References: <1153849388.31429.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1153851812.31429.36.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1153853383.31429.57.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 13:28 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > Apparently, the exports are right. (or are they?) > > > > > > Export list for 10.40.12.3: > > > /opt/ltsp 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 > > > /opt/ltsp/i386 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 > > > /usr/share/fonts 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 > > > /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 > > > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 > > > /usr/share/AbiSuite/fonts 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 > > > /usr/lib/openoffice/share/fonts 10.40.12.0/255.255.252.0 > > > [root at leopards root]# > > > [root at leopards root]# > > > > > > Any errors in there? Or other ideas? > > > > Is this a 1 or 2 NIC configuration and are the clients going > two NICs, but the other is public. the 10.40.x.x range is system-side. . > . Both servers are insude that range and Server A is handing out those > numbers. You could test the export by mounting into server A. Something like this on server A: mkdir /tmp/test mount 10.40.12.3:/opt/ltsp/i386 /tmp/test ls -R /tmp/test umount /tmp/test I can't think of much that would stop it unless the nfs or portmap services aren't running. > Booting PXE from BIOS in an Intel MB. . . Does this client boot OK if you don't change the server? The only other places I can think of to check would be that the netmask given out in DHCP is right. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Jul 25 19:01:10 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:01:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: <1153852807.31429.48.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1153771014.8601.48.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <1153852088.31429.42.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1153852807.31429.48.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: 100MB some places GB others. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 25 Jul 2006, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 13:31 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > > The workstations will be scattered out over the district. . . not the > > best, I know, but this network wasn't built with TS in mind. . . > > That's where it is a win to have local servers that have a reasonable > CPU speed and lots of RAM but are otherwise cheap and more or less > disposable, with only the authentication and home directory server > needing to be 'server quality' boxes. What kind of bandwidth do > you have between the clients and server location? > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhhoward at comcast.net Tue Jul 25 19:28:09 2006 From: dhhoward at comcast.net (Daniel Howard) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:28:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. Message-ID: <44C670C9.5010204@comcast.net> >I am running up to 45 clients (I feel it can top 60) with dual core 64bit AMD running Ubuntu and Icewm forced for all clients. >Hundreds? Off a single server? With shell access yes but for GUI you may end us with some beefy server. >-- Regards, Sudev Barar Does Ubuntu and Icewm reduce the bandwidth per client that much? Jim Kinney and I tested Tuxmath on K12LTSP/FC5 and as conventional wisdom from this list predicted, it ate 18 Mbps per client (CW is 15-20 Mbps max for highly animated screens). Since Ethernet protocol starts coughing at 70% load, this means a single GigE NIC port can handle max of 35 clients using the 20 Mbps number (although we found TuxMath died earlier due to the way the app itself is written, and so Jim has downgraded the max # clients spec accordingly). But if you can put 60 clients on yours that means Ubuntu/Icewm only maxes out at 12 Mbps per client. How does TuxMath or heavy animation flash games like Bubble Shooter work on your set up? Can you do video? Daniel From robark at gmail.com Tue Jul 25 22:14:12 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:14:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers, K12LTSP, and workstation numbers, etc. In-Reply-To: <1153850765.31429.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1153758872.21725.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <44C4F84F.2040005@paasda.org> <1153770466.8601.38.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> <20060725022206.M96305@winonacotter.org> <44C6381C.50106@paasda.org> <1153850765.31429.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On 7/25/06, Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 08:26 -0700, Huck wrote: > > So Jim, > > > > You just bond two Gig-E NICS, and plug them into two separate physical > > switches and say one switch heads off to LAB A(25 thin clients) and the > > other to Building B(20 thin clients). > > > > And you don't have to touch DNS configuration or anything? > > Bonded NICs have to go to the same switch and will help if the > bottleneck is only within the interface to that switch. If you > have many clients connected to other ports on the same switch it > will probably help. If you have clients distributed across many > switches connected with a 1 gig backbone, it won't help as > much to give the server a 2 gig uplink to its nearby switch. Buy two of these 48 port switches http://netgear.com/products/details/FS752TS.php 48port (100 Mbps) + 4 1000 Mbps aggregate 2 of the 1000Mbps ports into a trunk to the second switch. So you have 2 1000Mbps ports going to the server (bonded). And the other two going to the other switch as a trunk. 96 ports total. They cost $350 USD each at newegg after $50 rebate. -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Tue Jul 25 22:20:01 2006 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:20:01 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] WLAN problem after upgrading via yum Message-ID: <1153866001.3054.14.camel@server.ltsp> Hi! My notebook lost WLAN net-connection after upgrading to 2.6.17 via yum. When I boot using 2.6.16 wlan works fine. I'm running a HP nx7010 with a Intel pro 2200 BG card. dmesg says firmware not found. Any hints? TIA -- Henning Wangerin From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jul 25 22:28:23 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:28:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] WLAN problem after upgrading via yum In-Reply-To: <1153866001.3054.14.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1153866001.3054.14.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <44C69B07.2080207@mesd.k12.or.us> Henning Wangerin wrote: > My notebook lost WLAN net-connection after upgrading to 2.6.17 via yum. > > When I boot using 2.6.16 wlan works fine. > > I'm running a HP nx7010 with a Intel pro 2200 BG card. > > dmesg says firmware not found. Any hints? Probably need a new firmware for your Intel wireless from "the repository which shall not be named" (rpm.livna.org). Should be ipw2200-firmware v3 from here: http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/5/i386/ -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From gumprechtm at msad3.org Wed Jul 26 12:32:12 2006 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:32:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Bind/named not working In-Reply-To: <400d33020607251045v4050b125wc88fecd4561787f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <44C6398C.9020409@msad3.org> <400d33020607251045v4050b125wc88fecd4561787f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44C760CC.4060003@msad3.org> Thanks Nick, That fixed that issue, but there are many more. It seems to be that permissions have changed everywhere. I'm just going to reload at this point. I can sleep tonight, I learned something new today! Mark Nick Hadgis wrote: > Hi Mark, > I've run into this before on FC5 > > 1) boot server in single user mode > - At the grub boot screen, press any key > - Select the kernel entry from the grub menu and press 'e' to edit > this line > - Select the line starting with "kernel /vmlinuz...." and press 'e' to > edit this line > - At the end of this line, add 'single' [then press enter] to boot in > single user mode > - On the next screen press 'b' to boot this line > - your system will boot to a root prompt > 2) stop named from starting on server boot (chkconfig named off) > 3) reboot your server (your server will not boot in single user mode) > > When the server comes back up, open a root console and see if named > will start up now (service named start) > > If named starts up OK, don't forget to have named start during the > next reboot (chkconfig named on) > > This worked for me, sorry, I don't know the hows/whys. > > -Nick > > On 7/25/06, Mark Gumprecht wrote: >> I lost power in the middle of finishing up a smb/ldap domain controller. >> Now when it boots it hangs on the "named" startup. The logs don't >> indicate anything, but after doing an interactive startup, if I skip >> named,nfs,smb, it will come up. If I try to start/restart/status of >> named, I get "connection refused: rndc failed to connect". So from here >> I know bind is not working. I googled, but can't seem to find a >> definitive answer. I tried to reinstall bind, but that didn't work. I >> could just blow the server and reload it, Certainly would take less time >> than I have in it right now, But, being still new to linux and never >> having had a software failure in linux before, seems like a prime >> opportunity for some OJT. >> Any help Appreciated. >> Mark >> >> -- >> Mark Gumprecht >> MSAD3 >> Unity, Maine 04988 >> gumprechtm at msad3.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- ?Mark Gumprecht MSAD3 Unity, Maine 04988 gumprechtm at msad3.org From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Wed Jul 26 12:50:34 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:50:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] debugging help Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0607260550o44ff57xc21f5abe5f5abc83@mail.gmail.com> In Solaris there is a command call "truss" you can use to give you lots of output when to help debugging scripts. Does anybody know if there is an equivalent for Linux ? From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jul 26 15:01:35 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:01:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] debugging help In-Reply-To: <81e6a9bf0607260550o44ff57xc21f5abe5f5abc83@mail.gmail.com> References: <81e6a9bf0607260550o44ff57xc21f5abe5f5abc83@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44C783CF.5040301@mesd.k12.or.us> Jack Palmadesso wrote: > In Solaris there is a command call "truss" you can use to give you > lots of output when to help debugging scripts. Does anybody know if > there is an equivalent for Linux ? strace see: http://bhami.com/rosetta.html -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From ckjohnson at gwi.net Wed Jul 26 15:15:26 2006 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:15:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] debugging help In-Reply-To: <44C783CF.5040301@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <81e6a9bf0607260550o44ff57xc21f5abe5f5abc83@mail.gmail.com> <44C783CF.5040301@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44C7870E.6000403@gwi.net> Dan Young wrote: > Jack Palmadesso wrote: > >> In Solaris there is a command call "truss" you can use to give you >> lots of output when to help debugging scripts. Does anybody know if >> there is an equivalent for Linux ? >> > > strace > > see: http://bhami.com/rosetta.html > > And you may need to 'yum install strace' first. -- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #804005699817957 From ken at gccsda.com Wed Jul 26 15:44:23 2006 From: ken at gccsda.com (Ken Arany) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:44:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] problem with smbldap installation on fc5_rc2 64 bit. Message-ID: <44C78DD7.7090409@gccsda.com> I've been trying to get k12ltsp 64 bit running with smbldap all summer without success... 1. I install fc5_rc2, and ltsp works fine. 2. I install smbldap-installer (bleeding-edge version) when I run smbldap-configure, it completes the first script, but then fails getting the local sid in the second script After this, SMBd dead, but process ID still exists, (nmbd still running). - LTSP ldap user LOGIN OK. I've tried downgrading SMB to 3.0.22, same error Over the last 2 months, I tried every combination I could think of - trying to get "cookie-cutter" server solution for our school system. Either smbldap breaks ltsp logins, or it breaks samba... I've tried to get any combination of 64 bit to run with smbldap without success - a.) cent-os doesn't find my sata drives b.) fc5_rc1 installs fine, but smbldap breaks ltsp login for smb users c.) fc5_beta12 installs fine, same as b. above d.) fc5_beta10 installs fine, smbldap server hangs on reboot - until I downgrade nss_ldap, - still breaks ltsp login for smb users e.)ltsp 4.4.1 and lower don't find my sata drives Hardware - MSI board with x2 3800 proc and 2 GB ram, and sata drives. From jack.palmadesso at gmail.com Wed Jul 26 17:59:40 2006 From: jack.palmadesso at gmail.com (Jack Palmadesso) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:59:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] debugging help In-Reply-To: <44C7870E.6000403@gwi.net> References: <81e6a9bf0607260550o44ff57xc21f5abe5f5abc83@mail.gmail.com> <44C783CF.5040301@mesd.k12.or.us> <44C7870E.6000403@gwi.net> Message-ID: <81e6a9bf0607261059u2613e23cv9fd5c9326961ba1c@mail.gmail.com> Thanks. On 7/26/06, Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > Dan Young wrote: > > Jack Palmadesso wrote: > > > >> In Solaris there is a command call "truss" you can use to give you > >> lots of output when to help debugging scripts. Does anybody know if > >> there is an equivalent for Linux ? > >> > > > > strace > > > > see: http://bhami.com/rosetta.html > > > > > And you may need to 'yum install strace' first. > > -- > "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net > Chris Johnson, RHCE #804005699817957 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lists at paulandmichelle.net Wed Jul 26 18:57:18 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:57:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] offsite backup? Message-ID: <20060726185721.2435A490587@ephesus.modevia.com> Hi all, So i'm working with a non-profit to get a network going. We have pretty much everything taken care of except 1 thing... offsite backup. Currently we have 1 server with a 160gb raid hdd. Currently they have a 5gb tape drive... which obviously isn't going to work to backup the 50gb I'm estimating for their home directories. Just glancing at tape drives... they seem really really expensive. So I've only come up with a few solutions. None of which i like. 1. purchase a tape drive - seems too expensive 2. some kind of online backup - seems too expensive, and the place is only on a slow cable connection so upload is not very fast. 3. burn a few DVD's every week. - I like the "snapshot" but someone would have to sit there and plop in a new blank dvd when it takes more than just 1 blank dvd, not to mention the reoccurring costs of the dvd's. 4. USB Hard drive - fast, easy, cheap (saw a 320gb 1 for $150 today), but the reliability is an issue. Out of the 4, I like the USB hard drive the best. I'm just worried about reliability. I can imagine the secretary taking the hard drive home with her and dropping it on the floor and then it's busted. Or it falls off the desk or something and they are screwed. So the questions... 1. Is a USB hdd backup a reliable solution? 2. What other alternatives are there that i'm missing? And what software would you recommend? Thanks! Paul From petre at maltzen.net Wed Jul 26 19:19:40 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:19:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] offsite backup? In-Reply-To: <20060726185721.2435A490587@ephesus.modevia.com> References: <20060726185721.2435A490587@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <44C7C04C.1000601@maltzen.net> Will you have 50GB of data right from the start or will it grow to that size over time? If this is just regular user data, not databases--you mentioned their home directories--even if it starts at 50GB, the day-to-day changes will be much smaller than that. With that in mind, you might setup another machine in some other place, say, the basement of your house, that runs an rsync script every night to copy the day's changes from the non-profit's office to your basement. Getting the initial 50GB onto the remote machine over the internet would be a pain, so take it into the non-profit's office, have it rsync over the LAN to build the initial copy, then take the box home and let rsync run each night. I do this for a few organizations that I support on the side. It's automatic, nobody has to do anything, and just about any old machine will suffice for the remote box. Petre Paul Lemke wrote: > Hi all, > So i'm working with a non-profit to get a network going. We have pretty much > everything taken care of except 1 thing... offsite backup. Currently we have > 1 server with a 160gb raid hdd. Currently they have a 5gb tape drive... > which obviously isn't going to work to backup the 50gb I'm estimating for > their home directories. Just glancing at tape drives... they seem really > really expensive. > > So I've only come up with a few solutions. None of which i like. > 1. purchase a tape drive - seems too expensive > 2. some kind of online backup - seems too expensive, and the place is only > on a slow cable connection so upload is not very fast. > 3. burn a few DVD's every week. - I like the "snapshot" but someone would > have to sit there and plop in a new blank dvd when it takes more than just 1 > blank dvd, not to mention the reoccurring costs of the dvd's. > 4. USB Hard drive - fast, easy, cheap (saw a 320gb 1 for $150 today), but > the reliability is an issue. > > Out of the 4, I like the USB hard drive the best. I'm just worried about > reliability. I can imagine the secretary taking the hard drive home with her > and dropping it on the floor and then it's busted. Or it falls off the desk > or something and they are screwed. > > So the questions... > 1. Is a USB hdd backup a reliable solution? > 2. What other alternatives are there that i'm missing? > > And what software would you recommend? > > Thanks! > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jul 26 19:20:12 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:20:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] offsite backup? In-Reply-To: <20060726185721.2435A490587@ephesus.modevia.com> References: <20060726185721.2435A490587@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <44C7C06C.40003@paasda.org> a nice slow and steady backuppc over the weekend? ;) Paul Lemke wrote: > Hi all, > So i'm working with a non-profit to get a network going. We have pretty much > everything taken care of except 1 thing... offsite backup. Currently we have > 1 server with a 160gb raid hdd. Currently they have a 5gb tape drive... > which obviously isn't going to work to backup the 50gb I'm estimating for > their home directories. Just glancing at tape drives... they seem really > really expensive. > > So I've only come up with a few solutions. None of which i like. > 1. purchase a tape drive - seems too expensive > 2. some kind of online backup - seems too expensive, and the place is only > on a slow cable connection so upload is not very fast. > 3. burn a few DVD's every week. - I like the "snapshot" but someone would > have to sit there and plop in a new blank dvd when it takes more than just 1 > blank dvd, not to mention the reoccurring costs of the dvd's. > 4. USB Hard drive - fast, easy, cheap (saw a 320gb 1 for $150 today), but > the reliability is an issue. > > Out of the 4, I like the USB hard drive the best. I'm just worried about > reliability. I can imagine the secretary taking the hard drive home with her > and dropping it on the floor and then it's busted. Or it falls off the desk > or something and they are screwed. > > So the questions... > 1. Is a USB hdd backup a reliable solution? > 2. What other alternatives are there that i'm missing? > > And what software would you recommend? > > Thanks! > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jul 26 19:27:27 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:27:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] offsite backup? In-Reply-To: <20060726185721.2435A490587@ephesus.modevia.com> References: <20060726185721.2435A490587@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <44C7C21F.5020207@mesd.k12.or.us> Paul Lemke wrote: > Out of the 4, I like the USB hard drive the best. I'm just worried about > reliability. I can imagine the secretary taking the hard drive home with her > and dropping it on the floor and then it's busted. Or it falls off the desk > or something and they are screwed. As you said, they are cheap. Buy two and rotate. > So the questions... > 1. Is a USB hdd backup a reliable solution? I'd think it's reliable enough if you have some redundancy. Maybe Mon-Wed-Fri on one, Tue-Thu-Sat on the other? > 2. What other alternatives are there that i'm missing? A slow uplink might be OK if you're only transferring diffs over the network (see software recommendations) and doing it only during off-peak hours (at night). Maybe not too expensive if someone trusted can either host at home or at a partner organization. > And what software would you recommend? Some things to check out: backuppc.sf.net www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/ www.dirvish.com www.rsnapshot.org/ www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ These might be applicable to either offsite or rotated removable hard drives. Whatever you do, test your backups. Only thing worse than no backups are backups you _think_ work, but really don't. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Wed Jul 26 19:42:47 2006 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:42:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server choices Message-ID: <44C7C5B7.8070609@peopleplaces.org> I'm nearing the purchase point of my terminal server, but I thought before laying down the serious $$, I should get the opinions of those who have been there before! I'm partial to Dell servers because the ones that I have had in the past have worked very well. They don't (yet) offer AMD products. They've quoted me on an Intel 64-bit dual-processor dual-core system w/ 8GB of ram and a two raid arrays (one system array @ RAID1, one /var, /home array @ RAID5). It will be using a PERC SAS controller card hooked to (2+5=) 7 146gb drives to accomplish this. With three gigabit cards (two for two separate subnets and one for external interface), the grand total came in around $6,500. This leaves me $1500 in the budget for 4 terminals & monitors and two switches to round out the testbed. Does FC4 or FC5 (and therefore k12ltsp) support Intel's 64-bit architecture? If not, does someone have a good source for reliable Opteron servers? I have no experience with hardware RAID on the Linux side of things. Dell said they'd provide RHEL drivers for the RAID card - can these be used in Fedora? How does one set up the arrays prior to OS installation? Thank you to everyone - I've enjoyed reading the archives, especially the newer posts about local devs and NIC bonding to remove that bottleneck. Many thanks, Michael Blinn -- If this is my day of harvest, in what fields have I sowed the seed, and in what unremembered seasons? - Kahlil Gibran From petre at maltzen.net Wed Jul 26 19:57:12 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:57:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server choices In-Reply-To: <44C7C5B7.8070609@peopleplaces.org> References: <44C7C5B7.8070609@peopleplaces.org> Message-ID: <44C7C918.5060402@maltzen.net> I haven't worked with Dells for a few years, but I suspect their RAID controllers are similar to HP/Compaqs. When the machine is going through its power on self test (POST), you'll probably see some message about pressing some key to access the RAID controller. Within that, there will be a utility for putting two disks into a RAID1 logical disk and putting the other five into a RAID5 logical disk. Then when Linux talks to the controller and asks 'how many disks do you have?' the controller just says 'I have a single 146GB disk and a single 584GB disk'; Linux doesn't have to worry about the RAIDing. (This is the only way to do RAID in my book, when I'm spending other people's money.) The driver that Dell said they'd provide allows the kernel to talk to the RAID controller. Yes, it will probably work with Fedora; as mentioned, I work with HP/Compaqs, not Dells, but I've had no trouble switching between FC4 and RHEL3/4 (haven't tried FC5 yet). HTH Petre Michael Blinn wrote: > I'm nearing the purchase point of my terminal server, but I thought > before laying down the serious $$, I should get the opinions of those > who have been there before! > > I'm partial to Dell servers because the ones that I have had in the > past have worked very well. They don't (yet) offer AMD products. They've > quoted me on an Intel 64-bit dual-processor dual-core system w/ 8GB of > ram and a two raid arrays (one system array @ RAID1, one /var, /home > array @ RAID5). It will be using a PERC SAS controller card hooked to > (2+5=) 7 146gb drives to accomplish this. With three gigabit cards (two > for two separate subnets and one for external interface), the grand > total came in around $6,500. This leaves me $1500 in the budget for 4 > terminals & monitors and two switches to round out the testbed. > > Does FC4 or FC5 (and therefore k12ltsp) support Intel's 64-bit > architecture? If not, does someone have a good source for reliable > Opteron servers? > > I have no experience with hardware RAID on the Linux side of things. > Dell said they'd provide RHEL drivers for the RAID card - can these be > used in Fedora? How does one set up the arrays prior to OS installation? > > Thank you to everyone - I've enjoyed reading the archives, especially > the newer posts about local devs and NIC bonding to remove that bottleneck. > > Many thanks, > Michael Blinn > From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Wed Jul 26 20:37:01 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:37:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server choices In-Reply-To: <44C7C5B7.8070609@peopleplaces.org> References: <44C7C5B7.8070609@peopleplaces.org> Message-ID: <1153946221.3191.215.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Wed, 2006-07-26 at 15:42 -0400, Michael Blinn wrote: > I'm nearing the purchase point of my terminal server, but I thought > before laying down the serious $$, I should get the opinions of those > who have been there before! > > I'm partial to Dell servers because the ones that I have had in the > past have worked very well. They don't (yet) offer AMD products. They've > quoted me on an Intel 64-bit dual-processor dual-core system w/ 8GB of > ram and a two raid arrays (one system array @ RAID1, one /var, /home > array @ RAID5). It will be using a PERC SAS controller card hooked to > (2+5=) 7 146gb drives to accomplish this. With three gigabit cards (two > for two separate subnets and one for external interface), the grand > total came in around $6,500. This leaves me $1500 in the budget for 4 > terminals & monitors and two switches to round out the testbed. If you like Dell then run with what you are looking at. Monarch Computers (the folks who have had the Ultimate Linux Box in The Linux Journal for the past 4 years) have a good selection of both Xeon and Opteron servers. The prices and specs are better. > > Does FC4 or FC5 (and therefore k12ltsp) support Intel's 64-bit > architecture? If not, does someone have a good source for reliable > Opteron servers? www.monarchcomputers.com I have built (or had built for me) several dual Opteron systems from them. > > I have no experience with hardware RAID on the Linux side of things. > Dell said they'd provide RHEL drivers for the RAID card - can these be > used in Fedora? How does one set up the arrays prior to OS installation? My thoughts on hardware RAID. Yes, it is slightly faster than software RAID. It certainly costs much more than software RAID does. However, when that controller card does finally die, and it will, unless you can get the exact same model to replace it with, your RAID configuration is GONE. You will have to restore everything from backups. The vendors ALL say this won't happen, blah, blah... The Dell Perc raid systems are made by Adaptec. It's basically good hardware. But the configuration requires a battery backup. I have had far too many of them fail during the battery exercise process (which runs down the battery so it can take a full charge) when the battey is fully depleted. I have had this happen on Linux systems, Windows systems and Solaris systems. When software RAID is used, the RAID config is stored on the drive itself. Lose a drive, plop in another, it rebuilds (for RAID 5 and mirrors) and everything is good. Motherboard dies, put the drives into another machine and reboot and go back playing chess. With software RAID, you can do a poor mans drive duplication by breaking the mirror, pulling the drive(s) and replacing them with new drives and let the mirror rebuild. Meanwhile the pulled drives go into a new machine with the missing mirror as new drives and you now have 2 duplicates building (OK so it's not efficient, dd could do it faster. But it is rather elegant). For software RAID, during the FC4 or 5 (or Centos 3+, RedHat 9+, etc) install you can select either full drives or partitions and make them type RAID. Once you have enough RAID type partitions or drives for the version you want, select the RAID button and fill out the form as needed. Then once the RAIDed device has been formed, select it and set the mount point and file type as normal. > > Thank you to everyone - I've enjoyed reading the archives, especially > the newer posts about local devs and NIC bonding to remove that bottleneck. NIC bonding is great! > > Many thanks, > Michael Blinn > -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From lists at paulandmichelle.net Wed Jul 26 20:41:10 2006 From: lists at paulandmichelle.net (Paul Lemke) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:41:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] offsite backup? In-Reply-To: <44C7C21F.5020207@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060726204110.DC8F8490587@ephesus.modevia.com> That's a good idea. I'll just get 2 and rotate them every other week or something. Does fc5 have any issues reading USB hard drives? Paul -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dan Young Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 2:27 PM To: Support list for open source software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] offsite backup? Paul Lemke wrote: > Out of the 4, I like the USB hard drive the best. I'm just worried about > reliability. I can imagine the secretary taking the hard drive home with her > and dropping it on the floor and then it's busted. Or it falls off the desk > or something and they are screwed. As you said, they are cheap. Buy two and rotate. > So the questions... > 1. Is a USB hdd backup a reliable solution? I'd think it's reliable enough if you have some redundancy. Maybe Mon-Wed-Fri on one, Tue-Thu-Sat on the other? > 2. What other alternatives are there that i'm missing? A slow uplink might be OK if you're only transferring diffs over the network (see software recommendations) and doing it only during off-peak hours (at night). Maybe not too expensive if someone trusted can either host at home or at a partner organization. > And what software would you recommend? Some things to check out: backuppc.sf.net www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/ www.dirvish.com www.rsnapshot.org/ www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ These might be applicable to either offsite or rotated removable hard drives. Whatever you do, test your backups. Only thing worse than no backups are backups you _think_ work, but really don't. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Wed Jul 26 20:54:30 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:54:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] offsite backup? In-Reply-To: <20060726204110.DC8F8490587@ephesus.modevia.com> References: <20060726204110.DC8F8490587@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <1153947270.9157.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-07-26 at 15:41 -0500, Paul Lemke wrote: > That's a good idea. I'll just get 2 and rotate them every other week or > something. My approach to backups is to always have 3 and don't let the person who screwed up the first 2 touch the last one... -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jul 26 20:55:30 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:55:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server choices In-Reply-To: <44C7C918.5060402@maltzen.net> References: <44C7C5B7.8070609@peopleplaces.org> <44C7C918.5060402@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20060726204648.M27536@winonacotter.org> > RAID controllers are similar to HP/Compaqs. When the machine is > going through its power on self test (POST), you'll probably see > some message about pressing some key to access the RAID controller. Most often it is ctrl+a As Petre said use the SCSI utility to create your containers. You will have two containers to provide your 2+5 setup. There is an easy setup tool in the PERCs. Choose that option, it will walk you right through things. First container just hit spacebar to add your first two 146's to container0 and set to mirror. Then run again to add the last five 146's to container1 and set to RAID 5. You can set them up in a different order but by default the PERC is set to boot to container0. If you change the boot drive to a later number container use the utility to select a different boot drive. A quick tip, pay attention to the F key commands at the bottom of the screen. The utility isn't very user friendly until you get used to it. > spending other people's money.) The driver that Dell said they'd > provide allows the kernel to talk to the RAID controller. Yes, it > will probably work with Fedora; as mentioned, I have used Redhat drivers for Fedora on PERC SATA and SCSI cards just fine. However the drivers you get from Dell are preloaded for you with their setup CDROM and that CD will only work with Redhat. So you will need to download the driver from Dells website and throw it on a floppy. Then do your Fedora install as you normally would except when the boot cd first loads instead of hitting enter for the default install, at the command line type "linux dd" without the quotes. This will prompt you from your linux driver disks before attempting to load the OS. This will let the installer find and load your RAID controller so it can find your disks. Hope that helps. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Jul 26 21:30:44 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:30:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] "UNIX group resolution from LDAP" Message-ID: <9bd317560607261430u558333eek5d1852c152904a8e@mail.gmail.com> I'm having trouble joining the smbldap server from windows (although I can browse to the PDC in My Network Places and see a users home by entering a username and password) and looking back I missed this: getent passwd | grep root root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash operator:x:11:0:operator:/root:/sbin/nologin but not: root:x:0:512:Netbios Domain Administrator:/home/root:/bin/false although in webmin I see that root is in the secondary group of Domain Admins (512). also getent group doesn't output any of this type of stuff: Domain Admins:x:512:root Domain Users:x:513:ctrask,ntrask,otrask (you know what I mean) Domain Guests:x:514: Also I seem to remember that an "Administrator" account was supposed to be automatically created and mapped to root but I don't see that anywhere. Is this old documentation I'm working from or do you think there's something wrong. Thanks, Peter From robark at gmail.com Wed Jul 26 22:01:13 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:01:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Server choices In-Reply-To: <44C7C5B7.8070609@peopleplaces.org> References: <44C7C5B7.8070609@peopleplaces.org> Message-ID: On 7/26/06, Michael Blinn wrote: > > I'm nearing the purchase point of my terminal server, but I thought > before laying down the serious $$, I should get the opinions of those > who have been there before! > > I'm partial to Dell servers because the ones that I have had in the > past have worked very well. They don't (yet) offer AMD products. They've > quoted me on an Intel 64-bit dual-processor dual-core system w/ 8GB of > ram and a two raid arrays (one system array @ RAID1, one /var, /home > array @ RAID5). It will be using a PERC SAS controller card hooked to > (2+5=) 7 146gb drives to accomplish this. With three gigabit cards (two why are you using 146GB for the / OS? A full install is not more than 12 GB. Stick /tmp on the raid 5 and use smaller but faster (15k rpm scsi) for the / raid 1. BTW I think Intel and therefore dell are going to drop their prices in the next week. Also check to see if you are getting the new Woodcrest Xeons. They are much faster than the old Nocona netburst Xeons. for two separate subnets and one for external interface), the grand > total came in around $6,500. This leaves me $1500 in the budget for 4 > terminals & monitors and two switches to round out the testbed. > > Does FC4 or FC5 (and therefore k12ltsp) support Intel's 64-bit > architecture? If not, does someone have a good source for reliable > Opteron servers? > > I have no experience with hardware RAID on the Linux side of things. > Dell said they'd provide RHEL drivers for the RAID card - can these be > used in Fedora? How does one set up the arrays prior to OS installation? > > Thank you to everyone - I've enjoyed reading the archives, especially > the newer posts about local devs and NIC bonding to remove that > bottleneck. > > Many thanks, > Michael Blinn > > -- > > If this is my day of harvest, in what fields have I sowed the seed, and > in what unremembered seasons? > - Kahlil Gibran > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ssanders at coin.org Thu Jul 27 00:45:51 2006 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:45:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] offsite backup? In-Reply-To: <20060726204110.DC8F8490587@ephesus.modevia.com> References: <20060726204110.DC8F8490587@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <1153961151.30799.20.camel@bofh.ltsp> On Wed, 2006-07-26 at 15:41 -0500, Paul Lemke wrote: > That's a good idea. I'll just get 2 and rotate them every other week or > something. > > Does fc5 have any issues reading USB hard drives? Both FC4 and FC5 read USB hard drives fine. They will usually show up as /dev/sdx and automatically make a mountpoint, though I usually manually create them. I am assembling a low-latency system for multitrack audio, According to the gurus there, an external firewire disk is usually much faster than a USB drive. Even though the advertised speeds are USB 2.0/480 and Firewire/400, these guys say that for sustained throughput, the drivers in Linux are better for Firewire. This may just be pertinent to the type of transfers that multitrack audio does. I am (just this week) experimenting with FC5 and Firewire. Hotplugged, it shows up in dmesg, but I have to manually create a mountpoint for it. As soon as I mount it, it shows up in /media. The actual throughput depends on the speed of the drive itself of course, but they are pretty firm on Firewire outperforming USB. USB/firewire cases are about USD $10 on Ebay, make sure to get one with screws that hold the drive down. Some cheapies just have the drive rattling around inside loose. The ones with optional fans may be good as well, but mine are just solid aluminum. From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Jul 27 01:51:46 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] "UNIX group resolution from LDAP" In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607261430u558333eek5d1852c152904a8e@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560607261430u558333eek5d1852c152904a8e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <52035.70.33.151.214.1153965106.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> peter: having a hard time visualizing where the prob lies...you can choose who will be admin of the ldap..at one point Terpstra recommennded root.. if you want topost smb.conf slapd.cond..lord an ldifof roots account.i dont know.. i can send you an ldif of thebash scrit i se to set up the skeletonif it will he p you.. do yiu soeak bash??chuck From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Jul 27 02:28:57 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:28:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] offsite backup? In-Reply-To: <1153961151.30799.20.camel@bofh.ltsp> References: <20060726204110.DC8F8490587@ephesus.modevia.com> <1153961151.30799.20.camel@bofh.ltsp> Message-ID: <4C2D7EBE-D958-4C19-9113-2B592E0C3955@mindfirestudios.com> On Jul 26, 2006, at 7:45 PM, ssanders at coin.org wrote: I just bought a firewire case from newegg.com for this purpose. Cost $40, but the powerbrick part of the adapter is in the middle, not end, of the cord. It also is slient (no fans) and the drive mounts on little rubber feet for shock protection. It's a really nice enclosure. It's a MAcally phr100-af. Good quality. But you can definitely find cheeper ones if need be. > > The actual throughput depends on the speed of the drive itself of > course, but they are pretty firm on Firewire outperforming USB. > USB/firewire cases are about USD $10 on Ebay, make sure to get one > with > screws that hold the drive down. Some cheapies just have the drive > rattling around inside loose. The ones with optional fans may be > good as > well, but mine are just solid aluminum. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From robark at gmail.com Thu Jul 27 05:40:26 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:40:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Server choices In-Reply-To: References: <44C7C5B7.8070609@peopleplaces.org> Message-ID: On 7/26/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > > On 7/26/06, Michael Blinn wrote: > > > > I'm nearing the purchase point of my terminal server, but I thought > > before laying down the serious $$, I should get the opinions of those > > who have been there before! > > > > I'm partial to Dell servers because the ones that I have had in the > > past have worked very well. They don't (yet) offer AMD products. They've > > quoted me on an Intel 64-bit dual-processor dual-core system w/ 8GB of > > ram and a two raid arrays (one system array @ RAID1, one /var, /home > > array @ RAID5). It will be using a PERC SAS controller card hooked to > > (2+5=) 7 146gb drives to accomplish this. With three gigabit cards (two > > > > why are you using 146GB for the / OS? A full install is not more than 12 > GB. Stick /tmp on the raid 5 and use smaller but faster (15k rpm scsi) for > the / raid 1. > > BTW I think Intel and therefore dell are going to drop their prices in the > next week. Also check to see if you are getting the new Woodcrest Xeons. > They are much faster than the old Nocona netburst Xeons. > The Woodcrest Xeons are numbered 51xx. for two separate subnets and one for external interface), the grand > > total came in around $6,500. This leaves me $1500 in the budget for 4 > > terminals & monitors and two switches to round out the testbed. > > > > Does FC4 or FC5 (and therefore k12ltsp) support Intel's 64-bit > > architecture? If not, does someone have a good source for reliable > > Opteron servers? > > > > I have no experience with hardware RAID on the Linux side of things. > > Dell said they'd provide RHEL drivers for the RAID card - can these be > > used in Fedora? How does one set up the arrays prior to OS installation? > > > > > > Thank you to everyone - I've enjoyed reading the archives, especially > > the newer posts about local devs and NIC bonding to remove that > > bottleneck. > > > > Many thanks, > > Michael Blinn > > > > -- > > > > If this is my day of harvest, in what fields have I sowed the seed, and > > in what unremembered seasons? > > - Kahlil Gibran > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ybjones at one.net Thu Jul 27 05:41:59 2006 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:41:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] offsite backup? In-Reply-To: <20060726204110.DC8F8490587@ephesus.modevia.com> Message-ID: <002701c6b13f$6293fec0$792434ac@SGTInc.local> > That's a good idea. I'll just get 2 and rotate them every > other week or something. > > Does fc5 have any issues reading USB hard drives? > > Paul You could also look at www.ahsay.com for an offsite backup solution. The client and server both run on Linux (it is written in Java). I use the OEM verion to provide remote backup solutions to my customers and I have both Linux and Windows clients. You do the initial backup to a removable drive and then copy that to the backup server. The nice thing about this backup software is that you have a good deal of choice over the retention of the files, a Web based interface for restoring individual files, and it uses file differentials to back up large files that have changed. You do have the initial cost involved for the software and hardware but it is cheaper than an 80GB DAT drive and a round of tapes but more expensive then the USB hard drives (though I am not a big fan of that type of "backup" for an enterprise). The software can also be set up on the server side to replicate the backups to another server, so if the primary server fails, it is a very quick switch to the backup server. The files are synced as they come in so the servers ae usually never more than 5 minutes apart on the files. -Yancey From edward at netday.org.za Thu Jul 27 09:46:26 2006 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:46:26 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Etherboot, kernel panic, 8139 Message-ID: <6FE96EB9-F918-4C41-A871-C69A17BFC2E6@netday.org.za> Hi list On k12 v5rc2 I get the following message when using Etherboot cards (Realtek 8139D chipset): RAMDISK: Couldn't find a valid RAM disk image starting at 0 Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown- block (1.0) If I plug in a PXE card on the same client, it works fine. It happens with an upgrade from 4.4.1 of k12 as well as with a clean install. Works perfectly on k12 4.4.1. Is there perhaps an option-129 that may help? I've already tried 8139cp that Jim suggested on the ltsp list. No go. ed From natarajsn at sancharnet.in Thu Jul 27 10:32:14 2006 From: natarajsn at sancharnet.in (Nataraj S Narayan) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:02:14 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Differential Equations Message-ID: <44C8962E.6020503@sancharnet.in> Hi Is there any good OSS tool to teach differential equations in Linux? regards Nataraj From dean at mumby.co.za Thu Jul 27 11:32:24 2006 From: dean at mumby.co.za (Dean Mumby) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:32:24 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] vlc multicast (whoohoo! ) pulling preferences In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607241407m47881b6bi8152c756217a764c@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560607241407m47881b6bi8152c756217a764c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44C8A448.4000509@mumby.co.za> Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey all, > i finally got vlc multicast working. Wow, I can't beleive how well it > works and syncs in a lab! Even the sound syncs perfectly! But I'm > trying to get the right settings for vlc for everyone. I tried putting > a .vlc folder in /etc/skel with all the right stuff but it doen't get > pulled from there when I start vlc from a client. Does anybody know > how to do this? > > Thanks! > peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > care to share ? From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Thu Jul 27 11:54:44 2006 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:54:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server choices In-Reply-To: <1153946221.3191.215.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <44C7C5B7.8070609@peopleplaces.org> <1153946221.3191.215.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <44C8A984.90704@peopleplaces.org> Thank you to everyone who responded - I have plenty to consider in the coming days/weeks and will be doing some more reading. I appreciate the feedback, pointers and advice! Cheers, Michael Blinn James P. Kinney III wrote: > On Wed, 2006-07-26 at 15:42 -0400, Michael Blinn wrote: > >> I'm nearing the purchase point of my terminal server, but I thought >> before laying down the serious $$, I should get the opinions of those >> who have been there before! From ericbrow at gmail.com Thu Jul 27 12:24:43 2006 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:24:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Etherboot, kernel panic, 8139 In-Reply-To: <6FE96EB9-F918-4C41-A871-C69A17BFC2E6@netday.org.za> References: <6FE96EB9-F918-4C41-A871-C69A17BFC2E6@netday.org.za> Message-ID: In my lab this last year, I started getting those same errors on random machines. Usually, a reboot or two would get things going again. Sometimes it would only be one client on the network, other times it would be a bunch of them. I would replace a network cable, swap out a thin client, but I'd still get these errors in a random client. My k12 lab is closed off from the rest of the network behind my server. Someone had ran a patch cable from the switch to the rest of the network, so my network which was supposed to be closed no longer was. I think that my clients were expirencing an IP conflict between my server's internal nic and the district's router. If you're sure this isn't your problem, you could try using a boot floppy. Eric On 7/27/06, Edward Holcroft wrote: > Hi list > > On k12 v5rc2 I get the following message when using Etherboot cards > (Realtek 8139D chipset): > > RAMDISK: Couldn't find a valid RAM disk image starting at 0 > Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown- > block (1.0) > > If I plug in a PXE card on the same client, it works fine. It happens > with an upgrade from 4.4.1 of k12 as well as with a clean install. > Works perfectly on k12 4.4.1. > > Is there perhaps an option-129 that may help? I've already tried > 8139cp that Jim suggested on the ltsp list. No go. > > ed > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Jul 27 16:15:48 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:15:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] vlc multicast (whoohoo! ) pulling preferences : HOW-TO Message-ID: <9bd317560607270915s291341bdk89091e208f633e8a@mail.gmail.com> Sure! I think there might be other ways to do this but the way I've set it up depends on having a multicast capable switch. Go to the http interface of your switch and browse to the Muticast Group section. Apparently you don't want Multicast Forwarding because it seems that forwarding sends multicast packets to all hosts whether they request the muticast or not. I can't imagine that would be good for maintaining a solid X connection with a terminal. Group is the way to go. I selected all the ports on my switch as well as the link aggregation group (ie bond0) to be members of the Multicast Group. You should see a dedicated range of ip addresses to use for multicasting. in my case it's shown as 224-128|0.0.1. Load a file in vlc and check the "stream output" box. click settings and in the udp field put and address in the muilticast range. If you have a Dell switch I'd be happy to send you screenshots of my setup. I chose 224.0.0.1 keeping the port 1234. I haven't yet gotten around to figuring out how to copy a .vlc folder into everyones home folder. but I found a pretty easy solution for guaranteeing that the multicast will come off without a hitch regardless of the users default settings for vlc. from the command line you can specify a configuration file with all the stuff you need. to do that I first ran vlc and using the advanced configuration chose 'Simple DirectMedia Layer video output" and "EsounD output" then saved the settings. i then copied the vlcrc file (in .vlc folder of users home) to a world readable place. Then in Fl_Teachertool I run this command for the users that I want to view the multicast: vlc --config /path/to/my/good/config/file/vlcrc udp:@224.0.0.1 That's about it. I hope I haven't left anything out. Have fun! Peter On 7/27/06, Dean Mumby wrote: > Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Hey all, > > i finally got vlc multicast working. Wow, I can't beleive how well it > > works and syncs in a lab! Even the sound syncs perfectly! But I'm > > trying to get the right settings for vlc for everyone. I tried putting > > a .vlc folder in /etc/skel with all the right stuff but it doen't get > > pulled from there when I start vlc from a client. Does anybody know > > how to do this? > > > > Thanks! > > peter > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > care to share ? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From moquist at majen.net Thu Jul 27 16:20:00 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:20:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] re: "UNIX group resolution from LDAP" (Peter Hartmann) In-Reply-To: <20060727160020.B7B2773DAC@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060727160020.B7B2773DAC@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060727162000.GB22934@majen.net> It sounds to me like you have at least two problems, and I can try to help with one right off the bat. > From: "Peter Hartmann" > Subject: [K12OSN] "UNIX group resolution from LDAP" > I'm having trouble joining the smbldap server from windows (although I > can browse to the PDC in My Network Places and see a users home by > entering a username and password) and looking back I missed this: > > getent passwd | grep root > root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash > operator:x:11:0:operator:/root:/sbin/nologin > > > but not: > root:x:0:512:Netbios Domain Administrator:/home/root:/bin/false > > although in webmin I see that root is in the secondary group of Domain > Admins (512). > > > also getent group doesn't output any of this type of stuff: > > Domain Admins:x:512:root > Domain Users:x:513:ctrask,ntrask,otrask (you know what I mean) > Domain Guests:x:514: It sounds like your machine isn't correctly configured to be an LDAP client of its own LDAP server. For FC, run 'authconfig' and make sure you're using LDAP and that the LDAP info (server, DN, etc.) are correct. For Ubuntu, I reommend using the smbldap-installer and running just "./smbldap ldapclient". It'll ask you the questions and put stuff in the right config files for you. --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From les at futuresource.com Thu Jul 27 17:38:20 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:38:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] vlc multicast (whoohoo! ) pulling preferences : HOW-TO In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607270915s291341bdk89091e208f633e8a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560607270915s291341bdk89091e208f633e8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1154021901.15341.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-07-27 at 12:15 -0400, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Then > in Fl_Teachertool I run this command for the users that I want to view > the multicast: > > vlc --config /path/to/my/good/config/file/vlcrc udp:@224.0.0.1 Unless I'm missing something, this runs all the instances of vlc on the server and the clients aren't doing anything with the multicast at all - the video is delivered via X protocol. And if you stream on the same server it won't even traverse the switch connections. That may be the best approach for some small number of clients. Another way that might scale better at least with moderately fast clients would be to run vlc as a local app separately on each client but you'd have to come up with a different way to start it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From deliot at pylusd.org Thu Jul 27 19:32:17 2006 From: deliot at pylusd.org (Eliot, Dan) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:32:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Switch Issues References: <20060727160020.B7B2773DAC@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Here's the deal... The technology folks in my district are less than excited that I want to set up a LTSP Linux Lab. We are currently a Window only shop, and the already stretched Tech staff is not interested in adding another OS they would be responsible for (fair enough). They are particularly NOT excited to set it up so that the switch in my building allows another IP range. Currently, our building allows 10.11.150.xxx IP addresses. I would like them to add another IP range so that the DHCP servers ("regular" and LTSP) don't conflict. So ideally, they would add 10.11.155.xxx as the IP range for LTSP clients. OK, a couple of questions for the experts on this list? (1) Is there any way to allow two DHCP servers to "coexist" in the same IP range WITHOUT regular clients getting IPs from the LSTP server? In other words, can I just stick with 10.11.150.xxx and not have the two machine groups mess with each other. (2) On a related note, the machines that I will be "LTSPing" currently have Win95. I will be using floppy disks to bootstrap to the LTSP server. Ideally, it'd be nice for the machines to go to the normal Windows DHCP server when they are running Windows 95, but go to the LTSP DHCP server when I start a LTSP floppy boot. Any suggestions for making this work seamlessly (or with as few seams as possible)? Thanks in advance for any input. Dan ---- Dan Eliot, Computer Science Teacher El Dorado High School 1651 N. Valencia, Placentia, CA, USA deliot at pylusd.org, 714-993-5350 x7506 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jam at mcquil.com Thu Jul 27 19:46:08 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Switch Issues In-Reply-To: References: <20060727160020.B7B2773DAC@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <58846.68.250.145.129.1154029568.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Thu, July 27, 2006 3:32 pm, Eliot, Dan wrote: > Here's the deal... > > The technology folks in my district are less than excited that I want to > set up a LTSP Linux Lab. We are currently a Window only shop, and the > already stretched Tech staff is not interested in adding another OS they > would be responsible for (fair enough). > > They are particularly NOT excited to set it up so that the switch in my > building allows another IP range. Currently, our building allows > 10.11.150.xxx IP addresses. I would like them to add another IP range so > that the DHCP servers ("regular" and LTSP) don't conflict. So ideally, > they would add 10.11.155.xxx as the IP range for LTSP clients. > > OK, a couple of questions for the experts on this list? > > (1) Is there any way to allow two DHCP servers to "coexist" in the same > IP range WITHOUT regular clients getting IPs from the LSTP server? In > other words, can I just stick with 10.11.150.xxx and not have the two > machine groups mess with each other. The problem is NOT that the two dhcp servers exist in the same IP address range. The problem is when the two dhcp servers are on the same PHYSICAL network. A DHCP request is sent out as an Ethernet broadcast. There is NO ip address involved at this point. If you have 2 dhcp servers on the same physical lan, then which DHCP server answers first will be the one that the client listens to. Some possiblities exist, such as: 1) Run your ltsp dhcpd server on a port other than 67/68. Such as port 1067/1068. There's information about doing that on the LTSP wiki. The problem is, you can't use PXE to boot. You MUST use Etherboot. 2) Run separate physical lans, so that the LTSP workstations aren't on the same network as the windows boxes. A managed switch will allow you to setup vlans, so that it can appear as separate networks. 3) Use the Windows DHCP server to serve all of your DHCP needs. You'll need to add root-path and next-server entries to your windows dhcp config. 4) Use the Linux DHCP server to serve all of your DHCP needs. This way, you could get rid of the windows dhcp server. Hope that helps, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > (2) On a related note, the machines that I will be "LTSPing" currently > have Win95. I will be using floppy disks to bootstrap to the LTSP server. > Ideally, it'd be nice for the machines to go to the normal Windows DHCP > server when they are running Windows 95, but go to the LTSP DHCP server > when I start a LTSP floppy boot. Any suggestions for making this work > seamlessly (or with as few seams as possible)? > > Thanks in advance for any input. > Dan > > > ---- > Dan Eliot, Computer Science Teacher > El Dorado High School > 1651 N. Valencia, Placentia, CA, USA > deliot at pylusd.org, 714-993-5350 x7506 > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dpalmerjr at gmail.com Thu Jul 27 19:50:22 2006 From: dpalmerjr at gmail.com (Darryl Palmer) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:50:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Switch Issues In-Reply-To: References: <20060727160020.B7B2773DAC@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Hello Dan, You can make it work if you use the newer versions of etherboot. Take a look at http://www.etherboot.org/doc/html/userman/x126.html under the section REQUIRE_VCI_ETHERBOOT. It should tell you how to do everything you need to do. Darryl Palmer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edward at netday.org.za Thu Jul 27 19:58:04 2006 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:58:04 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Etherboot, kernel panic, 8139 In-Reply-To: References: <6FE96EB9-F918-4C41-A871-C69A17BFC2E6@netday.org.za> Message-ID: <91FBC17D-5510-4E9D-9C67-A7BF3952D534@netday.org.za> In my case I have a fully isolated test environment in which I experience this problem, so it's not an IP conflict. It's a real show- stopper for me as I have close to 1000 clients out there (and growing) that I want to upgrade to k12 v5. On the LTSP list Jim was saying it may have to do with the 2.6 kernel that LTSP 4.2 uses, but not really a specific answer. Any other ideas? ed On 27 Jul 2006, at 2:24 PM, Eric Brown wrote: > In my lab this last year, I started getting those same errors on > random machines. Usually, a reboot or two would get things going > again. Sometimes it would only be one client on the network, other > times it would be a bunch of them. > > I would replace a network cable, swap out a thin client, but I'd still > get these errors in a random client. > > My k12 lab is closed off from the rest of the network behind my > server. Someone had ran a patch cable from the switch to the rest of > the network, so my network which was supposed to be closed no longer > was. I think that my clients were expirencing an IP conflict between > my server's internal nic and the district's router. > > If you're sure this isn't your problem, you could try using a boot > floppy. > > Eric > > On 7/27/06, Edward Holcroft wrote: >> Hi list >> >> On k12 v5rc2 I get the following message when using Etherboot cards >> (Realtek 8139D chipset): >> >> RAMDISK: Couldn't find a valid RAM disk image starting at 0 >> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown- >> block (1.0) >> >> If I plug in a PXE card on the same client, it works fine. It happens >> with an upgrade from 4.4.1 of k12 as well as with a clean install. >> Works perfectly on k12 4.4.1. >> >> Is there perhaps an option-129 that may help? I've already tried >> 8139cp that Jim suggested on the ltsp list. No go. >> >> ed >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Edward Holcroft Executive Director: NetDay South Africa From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Jul 27 19:59:21 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:59:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] vlc multicast (whoohoo! ) pulling preferences : HOW-TO In-Reply-To: <1154021901.15341.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <9bd317560607270915s291341bdk89091e208f633e8a@mail.gmail.com> <1154021901.15341.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560607271259o22d43c63hf78dbb4a19b5d472@mail.gmail.com> > to run vlc as a local app separately on each client That sound like a great idea. Hopefully you could just ./configure a slim vlc for the clients that wouldn't need the extensive list of deps that vlc normally needs. *maybe* you wouldn't even need wxwindows if you new how to set a maximized view from the command line. Just the thought of compiling all its deps by hand with the LBE makes my head hurt. Come to think of it I never could find any documentation on how to design configure scripts for the LBE. Anybody know where I could find thos docs? if you did have it set up that way i think one could just just precede the command i had with: ssh $LTSP_HOSTNAME That's assuming you had the ssh keys set up. > Unless I'm missing something, this runs all the instances of vlc > on the server and the clients aren't doing anything with the multicast > at all - the video is delivered via X protocol. You're right I just reset my settings on the switch and it still works using the same address so I guess it wasn' t involved at all. who knew! Thanks, Peter On 7/27/06, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-07-27 at 12:15 -0400, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Then > > in Fl_Teachertool I run this command for the users that I want to view > > the multicast: > > > > vlc --config /path/to/my/good/config/file/vlcrc udp:@224.0.0.1 > > Unless I'm missing something, this runs all the instances of vlc > on the server and the clients aren't doing anything with the multicast > at all - the video is delivered via X protocol. And if you stream on > the same server it won't even traverse the switch connections. That > may be the best approach for some small number of clients. Another way > that might scale better at least with moderately fast clients would be > to run vlc as a local app separately on each client but you'd have to > come up with a different way to start it. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dpalmerjr at gmail.com Thu Jul 27 20:01:05 2006 From: dpalmerjr at gmail.com (Darryl Palmer) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:01:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Switch Issues In-Reply-To: References: <20060727160020.B7B2773DAC@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On 7/27/06, Darryl Palmer wrote: > > Hello Dan, > > You can make it work if you use the newer versions of etherboot. Take a > look at http://www.etherboot.org/doc/html/userman/x126.html under the > section REQUIRE_VCI_ETHERBOOT. It should tell you how to do everything you > need to do. > My answer is wrong sorry. I forgot that there are actually 2 DHCP requests when LTSP starts up. One way that should work is that you can change the port that the LTSP dhcp server is running on and modify the config file for etherboot and your dhcpd.conf file. See, http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#Multiple_DHCP_servers_on_the_sam Darryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robert.pogson at gmail.com Thu Jul 27 20:05:18 2006 From: robert.pogson at gmail.com (pogson) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:05:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server choices In-Reply-To: <20060727160020.DD56573D70@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060727160020.DD56573D70@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1154030718.27347.78.camel@beast> Michael Blinn wrote: > I'm nearing the purchase point of my terminal server, but I thought > before laying down the serious $$, I should get the opinions of those > who have been there before! I have just been through that. I was looking at building two dual - dual core Opteron 165 systems for about $7000 including 16 gB RAM. I decided that I could get more bang for the buck by using different configurations for the terminal servers and the web/dhcp/mysql/nfs server. What I came up with was: * four AMD64 X2 3800 systems for terminal servers with four 40 gB drives in RAID1 and 4 gB RAM each * two AMD64 X2 3800 systems for web/dhcp/mysql/nfs on /home and /var with four 320gB drives and 2gB RAM each in a fail-over cluster which costs about the same, except I get 16 heads on / for the terminal server and I get two extra chips working as separate servers. I get more horsepower overall except I have smaller caches. I should be able to run with one terminal server and one web server down, not that I expect that ever. I expect my LAMP stack to get a lot of work from about one third of my clients, so I thought this was better, separating terminal service from web/nfs/db. I believe I made the right decision even though the parts are still in transit, especially when the AMD cuts came in... The cut to AMD64 X2 3800 was close to 50%, and he threw in free freight... I will have 150 PXE thin clients usually with 50 old Windows machines useing web service, until they find out how much fun 3800 is compared to 400 ;-) when I expect to have 200 PXE clients. 30 clients were happy on my AMD64 3000 single core with 2gB, so I figure 50 will be happy with 3800 X2 with 4gB, especially when the PHP scripts aren't loading things down. I have Wikipedia, Moodle, phpBB, etc., available. With all the redundant storage and multiple heads, I doubt this system will get bogged down. -- A problem is an opportunity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From robark at gmail.com Thu Jul 27 21:04:56 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:04:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Server choices In-Reply-To: <1154030718.27347.78.camel@beast> References: <20060727160020.DD56573D70@hormel.redhat.com> <1154030718.27347.78.camel@beast> Message-ID: On 7/27/06, pogson wrote: > > > Michael Blinn wrote: > > I'm nearing the purchase point of my terminal server, but I thought > before laying down the serious $$, I should get the opinions of those > who have been there before! > > > I have just been through that. I was looking at building two dual - dual > core Opteron 165 systems for about $7000 including 16 gB RAM. I decided that > I could get more bang for the buck by using different configurations for the > terminal servers and the web/dhcp/mysql/nfs server. What I came up with was: > > > - four AMD64 X2 3800 systems for terminal servers with four 40 gB > drives in RAID1 and 4 gB RAM each > > What motherboard did you go with? Also wondering what performance 4 drives (assuming 7200rpm SATA) in a RAID 1 produce? Anyone have experience with this compared to a 15k rpm scsi drive? IMO Write speed should be the same as one drive but will read speed really scale 4x? > - two AMD64 X2 3800 systems for web/dhcp/mysql/nfs on /home and /var > with four 320gB drives and 2gB RAM each in a fail-over cluster > > which costs about the same, except I get 16 heads on / for the terminal > server and I get two extra chips working as separate servers. I get more > horsepower overall except I have smaller caches. I should be able to run > with one terminal server and one web server down, not that I expect that > ever. I expect my LAMP stack to get a lot of work from about one third of my > clients, so I thought this was better, separating terminal service from > web/nfs/db. I believe I made the right decision even though the parts are > still in transit, especially when the AMD cuts came in... The cut to AMD64 > X2 3800 was close to 50%, and he threw in free freight... I will have 150 > PXE thin clients usually with 50 old Windows machines useing web service, > until they find out how much fun 3800 is compared to 400 [image: ;-)] when > I expect to have 200 PXE clients. 30 clients were happy on my AMD64 3000 > single core with 2gB, so I figure 50 will be happy with 3800 X2 with 4gB, > especially when the PHP scripts aren't loading things down. I have > Wikipedia, Moodle, phpBB, etc., available. With all the redundant storage > and multiple heads, I doubt this system will get bogged down. > > -- > A problem is an opportunity. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smiley-4.png Type: image/png Size: 822 bytes Desc: not available URL: From les at futuresource.com Thu Jul 27 22:59:03 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:59:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Switch Issues In-Reply-To: <58846.68.250.145.129.1154029568.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> References: <20060727160020.B7B2773DAC@hormel.redhat.com> <58846.68.250.145.129.1154029568.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: <1154041144.15341.33.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-07-27 at 15:46 -0400, Jim McQuillan wrote: > 2) Run separate physical lans, so that the LTSP workstations aren't > on the same network as the windows boxes. A managed switch will > allow you to setup vlans, so that it can appear as separate > networks. This is the easy way if you can use a separate switch. The default install on a 2-NIC server lets you provide DHCP on the client-side interface only, and will also NAT to the outside if you boot windows on the clients so they continue to work normally. This also avoids bandwidth problems on your network backbone. > 3) Use the Windows DHCP server to serve all of your DHCP needs. > You'll need to add root-path and next-server entries to your > windows dhcp config. > > 4) Use the Linux DHCP server to serve all of your DHCP needs. > This way, you could get rid of the windows dhcp server. If you have a flat network, this takes care of the main problem. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cliebow at midmaine.com Fri Jul 28 10:49:31 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Switch Issues In-Reply-To: References: <20060727160020.B7B2773DAC@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <35490.70.33.151.214.1154083771.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> also--if you use mac clients or netvistas you can add options to windows dhvp to serve out addresses for themas well...option 60 and 212 come tomind..again there are info on the wiki under windows integration..i use both alternate dhcvp and windows dhcp in my high school..chuck From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Jul 28 14:05:07 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:05:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] The K12 Open Source Interview Series Has Begun In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Last night Miguel Guhlin and I interviewed Dr. David Thornburg on the use of Free and Open Source Software in schools. This was the first of a series of webcast interviews we will be conducting on this topic, to be broadcast live each Thursday night at 5:00pm Pacific Time and then made available in recorded form. Next week, tune in for our interview with Jim McQuillan, the co-founder and project lead of the Linux Terminal Server Project (LTSP), and Daniel Howard, who has been instrumental in working with the Atlanta Public Schools on a broad deployment plan for Linux thin client. You can leave questions for them in advance at http://www.k12opensource.com/interviews, where you can also find instructions on joining the webcast. To hear or download our interview with Dr. Thornburg, visit http://educationbridges.net/k12opensource, which also has the RSS feeds for the interview series. (Many thanks to Dave Cormier, Jeff Lebow, and Worldbridges for all the support!) -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.K12OpenSource.com (Public Wiki) www.SupportBlogging.com (Public Wiki) From mblinn at peopleplaces.org Fri Jul 28 14:19:17 2006 From: mblinn at peopleplaces.org (Michael Blinn) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:19:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SysAdmin Day Message-ID: <44CA1CE5.1020906@peopleplaces.org> Happy SysAdmin day everyone - Here's hoping someone will remember without being prompted... http://www.sysadminday.com Cheers, Michael -- If this is my day of harvest, in what fields have I sowed the seed, and in what unremembered seasons? - Kahlil Gibran From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Jul 28 14:46:01 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:46:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Differential Equations In-Reply-To: <44C8962E.6020503@sancharnet.in> References: <44C8962E.6020503@sancharnet.in> Message-ID: <44CA2329.8020708@paasda.org> OED? You gotta teach OED on linux boxes? TeX or LaTex should be able to do the formatting I think... I don't know what kind of a 'tool' you are looking for though. I just feel sorry for you having to teach diff eq. Nataraj S Narayan wrote: > Hi > > Is there any good OSS tool to teach differential equations in Linux? > > regards > > Nataraj > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From robert.pogson at gmail.com Fri Jul 28 16:28:47 2006 From: robert.pogson at gmail.com (pogson) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:28:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Server Choices In-Reply-To: <20060728160023.2C32673E87@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060728160023.2C32673E87@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1154104127.27347.88.camel@beast> Michael Blinn wrote: > I'm nearing the purchase point of my terminal server, but I thought > before laying down the serious $$, I should get the opinions of those > who have been there before! I have just been through that. I was looking at building two dual - dual core Opteron 165 systems for about $7000 including 16 gB RAM. I decided that I could get more bang for the buck by using different configurations for the terminal servers and the web/dhcp/mysql/nfs server. What I came up with was: * four AMD64 X2 3800 systems for terminal servers with four 40 gB drives in RAID1 and 4 gB RAM each * two AMD64 X2 3800 systems for web/dhcp/mysql/nfs on /home and /var with four 320gB drives and 2gB RAM each in a fail-over cluster which costs about the same, except I get 16 heads on / for the terminal server and I get two extra chips working as separate servers. I get more horsepower overall except I have smaller caches. I should be able to run with one terminal server and one web server down, not that I expect that ever. I expect my LAMP stack to get a lot of work from about one third of my clients, so I thought this was better, separating terminal service from web/nfs/db. I believe I made the right decision even though the parts are still in transit, especially when the AMD cuts came in... The cut to AMD64 X2 3800 was close to 50%, and he threw in free freight... I will have 150 PXE thin clients usually with 50 old Windows machines useing web service, until they find out how much fun 3800 is compared to 400 when I expect to have 200 PXE clients. 30 clients were happy on my AMD64 3000 single core with 2gB, so I figure 50 will be happy with 3800 X2 with 4gB, especially when the PHP scripts aren't loading things down. I have Wikipedia, Moodle, phpBB, etc., available. With all the redundant storage and multiple heads, I doubt this system will get bogged down. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, John From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Jul 28 17:50:01 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:50:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] load testing a server Message-ID: <44CA4E49.9030707@paasda.org> Are there any scripts included with K12LTSP to load test a server? i.e. some automagical way of having it log in a user on each available terminal and run some application(s) to see what kind of speeds(clogging) occurs... and maybe log CPU/Memory/Network usage all at the same time with some nicely formatted output? Perhaps I'm having a pipe dream, but it would be nice if such a thing existed. --Huck From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Jul 28 19:55:53 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:55:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: ldap sucess!!! AND webmin In-Reply-To: <9bd317560607151629i29296f7fh91f086eb0cd0154b@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560607151629i29296f7fh91f086eb0cd0154b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560607281255w3d0de4dbnf98a95d52ace928@mail.gmail.com> Sorry guys I might have spoken too soon about the webmin ldap module. Now that I have a windows machine in the domain I see a problem. all users created with clear passwords with the batch fille or the form get sambaNTPassword: set. all users created with pre-encrypted passwords with the batch file or the form do not get sambaNTPassword: set. here's examples of two users if anyone with more experience has any idea what's going on: pre-encrypted: [root at ascldap sbin]# ./smbldap-usershow test2 | sort cn: test2 dn: uid=test2,ou=Users,dc=ascensionschoolnyc,dc=org gecos: test2 gidNumber: 525 homeDirectory: /home/test2 loginShell: /bin/bash objectClass: posixAccount,shadowAccount,top,inetOrgPerson,sambaSamAccount sambaAcctFlags: [UD ] sambaHomeDrive: X: sambaHomePath: \\ASCENSION-PDC\homes\test2 sambaLMPassword: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX sambaLogonScript: startup.bat sambaNTPassword: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX sambaPrimaryGroupSID: S-1-5-21-1453257060-3969185860-1897528768-2050 sambaProfilePath: \\ASCENSION-PDC\profiles\test2 sambaSID: S-1-5-21-1453257060-3969185860-1897528768-2356 shadowLastChange: 13357 sn: test2 uidNumber: 678 uid: test2 userPassword: {crypt}$1$27757942$AA6YK9nJTlqNGPo2S9d3d/ ---------------------------------------------- clear: [root at ascldap sbin]# ./smbldap-usershow smbtest71 | sort cn: testun dn: uid=smbtest71,ou=Users,dc=ascensionschoolnyc,dc=org gecos: testun gidNumber: 525 homeDirectory: /home/smbtest71 loginShell: /bin/bash objectClass: posixAccount,shadowAccount,top,inetOrgPerson,sambaSamAccount sambaAcctFlags: [U ] sambaHomeDrive: X: sambaHomePath: \\ASCENSION-PDC\homes\smbtest71 sambaLMPassword: 01FC5A6BE7BC6929AAD3B435B51404EE sambaLogonScript: startup.bat sambaNTPassword: 0CB6948805F797BF2A82807973B89537 sambaPrimaryGroupSID: S-1-5-21-1453257060-3969185860-1897528768-2050 sambaProfilePath: \\ASCENSION-PDC\profiles\smbtest71 sambaPwdCanChange: 1154107610 sambaPwdLastSet: 1154107610 sambaSID: S-1-5-21-1453257060-3969185860-1897528768-4802 shadowLastChange: 13357 sn: smbtest71 uidNumber: 1901 uid: smbtest71 userPassword: {crypt}ORkhmM4BUAWgQ any ideas? Thanks! Peter On 7/15/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Ok, so the one time I decide not to do a media check THREE out of 5 > discs fail. but all md5sums pass. And no matter how many I burn them > they always fail. NFS install is my new friend that's for sure. Also > the new webmin-1.290-1 has the samba create user part fixed with > create users from batch file. One thing I noticed: with creating users > with pre encrypted passwords, it would only work if you set the module > to use {crypt}. Thank you guys for all the help. Sorry to put you > through all that idiocy. Chuck I'm definitely interested in what you > do to manipulate all this stuff. > > > Thanks, > Peter > > > On 7/14/06, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > > Boy im glad i dont have to use smbldap-tools any longer..it is so much > > clearer what is going on without them....... > > > > > I notice the the -a has a long - before the a. Might that have > > > something to do with it? > > > > > > On 15/07/06, David Trask wrote: > > >> hmmm...worked fine for me....I did > > >> > > >> ./smbldap-groupadd -a -g 527 testusers > > >> > > >> Nonetheless...this time do this and report back (do it exactly like > > >> below) > > >> > > >> cd /opt/IDEALX/sbin > > >> ./smbldap-groupadd -a -g 525 students > > >> > > >> let me know what happen....may make no difference, but that's what I > > >> did...so let's eliminate from there. > > >> > > >> > > >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > >> on > > >> Fri Jul 14 2006 at 15:31 +0000 wrote: > > >> >Hey guys, so here's what's going on with this fresh install. I think > > >> >I may have found a clue to a problem. > > >> > > > >> >[root at ascldap samba]# /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 525 > > >> students > > >> >[root at ascldap samba]# /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupadd ?a ?g 526 > > >> teachers > > >> >/opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-groupadd: group ?a exists > > >> >[root at ascldap samba]# net groupmap list > > >> >Domain Admins (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-512) -> Domain > > >> Admins > > >> >Domain Users (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-513) -> Domain Users > > >> >Domain Guests (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-514) -> Domain > > >> Guests > > >> >Domain Computers (S-1-5-21-1653893-93114141-1052929415-515) -> Domain > > >> >Computers > > >> >Administrators (S-1-5-32-544) -> Administrators > > >> >Account Operators (S-1-5-32-548) -> Account Operators > > >> >Print Operators (S-1-5-32-550) -> Print Operators > > >> >Backup Operators (S-1-5-32-551) -> Backup Operators > > >> >Replicators (S-1-5-32-552) -> Replicators > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >Is it trying to say that in the first command that I created a groupe > > >> >name "-a" ? I've tried smbldap-userdel -a and "-a" but it says > > >> >unknown option. For the record I don't have guid 526 already. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >Once again getent group shows this mysterious group named > > >> >\E2\80\93a:x:10000: for the user that I just created with > > >> >smbldap-useradd. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >excerpt------- > > >> > > > >> >admin4:x:500: > > >> >Domain Admins:x:512:root > > >> >Domain Users:x:513:test9 > > >> >Domain Guests:x:514: > > >> >Domain Computers:x:515: > > >> >Administrators:x:544: > > >> >Account Operators:x:548: > > >> >Print Operators:x:550: > > >> >Backup Operators:x:551: > > >> >Replicators:x:552: > > >> >\E2\80\93a:x:10000: > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >Intuition is telling me that my smbldap-tools are messed up but I'm > > >> >not sure to check that. > > >> > > > >> >I posted the results of the tests at test.ascensionschoolnyc.org/ldap. > > >> > > > >> >What the heck going on? I swear I did a COMPLETE format. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >Thanks, > > >> >Peter > > >> > > > >> >_______________________________________________ > > >> >K12OSN mailing list > > >> >K12OSN at redhat.com > > >> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >> >For more info see > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> David N. Trask > > >> Technology Teacher/Director > > >> Vassalboro Community School > > >> dtrask at vcsvikings.org > > >> (207)923-3100 > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> K12OSN mailing list > > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >> For more info see > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Please note my new email address- > > > krsnendu108 at gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From robark at gmail.com Fri Jul 28 23:18:38 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:18:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool Question In-Reply-To: <44CA48DE.9020306@stmarys-school.org> References: <20060728160023.1080873E20@hormel.redhat.com> <44CA48DE.9020306@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: On 7/28/06, John Baillie wrote: > > Is there a way to have one instance of TeacherTool work with 3 servers? > Being that we use three servers any given terminal in the lab might be > connected to one of three servers. This feature has been requested before. I know many people would like it because of situations like yours where there are multiple servers (or load balancing with round robin dhcp). It would require ssh keys being setup between servers and modifications to all the functions in my code. I think it's possible but it would take me lots of time and testing. Maybe one day I will have time to do it but I don't have time to do it now. For now you could try sshing into the other two servers and use X11 forwarding to forward fl_tt to the display you are sitting at. So basically you will have three fl_tt windows open to see all possible clients. Not perfect but it's the best I can suggest right now. BTW if anyone wants to contribute a feature like this, fl_tt is GPLed software and the entire source code is only 1347 lines. You don't really need to know FLTK (as the gui is already built) but you do need to know C++. 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URL: From sbarar at gmail.com Sat Jul 29 01:38:33 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:08:33 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] load testing a server In-Reply-To: References: <44CA4E49.9030707@paasda.org> Message-ID: <774593a20607281838j3c1564d8u863a2276b894371@mail.gmail.com> On 29/07/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > You could manually log in the client machines and then use Fl_TeacherTool > to run an application like Firefox (on a heavy flash site) for everyone at > once while keeping an eye on top or system monitor. > > > Also keep an eye on iptraf for network useage > Going tangentially but I found iftop and ibmonitor better at network monitoring as they give out peak rates as well as average rates. iptraf is good for lot of specific information gathering. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From ken.tech1 at gmail.com Sat Jul 29 03:03:06 2006 From: ken.tech1 at gmail.com (Ken Johnson) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:03:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Connecting a Printer - How? Message-ID: <1eb89cf20607282003g51c6b21cme91ace20bfba5a24@mail.gmail.com> A few years ago I set up a 9 node K12LTSP network in a classroom and had great success/fun with it. Now I need to set up a 15 node network in a computer lab in a church. How do I connect a printer that all the workstations can print to? In my earlier network, the printer was connected directly to the server. In this incarnation, the server will be located in another room, and the printer needs to be in the lab with the workstations. At home (on a Windows network) I have a print server connected to my router and any machine can reach my USB printer. Can I connect a commercial print server (D-link DP 300U) to the switch that feeds the clients? I don't want to attach the printer to a workstation. Ken Johnson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karisue at gmail.com Sat Jul 29 03:09:36 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:09:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Connecting a Printer - How? In-Reply-To: <1eb89cf20607282003g51c6b21cme91ace20bfba5a24@mail.gmail.com> References: <1eb89cf20607282003g51c6b21cme91ace20bfba5a24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I have a 20 seat computer lab at a school. All the lab computers are edubuntu; computers on teachers' desks are Win2000. I have a laser printer in the lab. I assigned an ip address to it outside the ubuntu server's dhcp range. Then, I added the printer on every edubuntu workstation. I don't use a print server. I know this doesn't help you, but I just thought I'd share a configuration that works great for me. So I'm curious (and Im sure this is a dumb question): Why do you need a print server? Is that required for the LTSP network? ~kari On 7/28/06, Ken Johnson wrote: > > A few years ago I set up a 9 node K12LTSP network in a classroom and had > great success/fun with it. Now I need to set up a 15 node network in a > computer lab in a church. > > How do I connect a printer that all the workstations can print to? In my > earlier network, the printer was connected directly to the server. > > In this incarnation, the server will be located in another room, and the > printer needs to be in the lab with the workstations. > > At home (on a Windows network) I have a print server connected to my > router and any machine can reach my USB printer. > > Can I connect a commercial print server (D-link DP 300U) to the switch > that feeds the clients? I don't want to attach the printer to a > workstation. > > Ken Johnson > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- *-*-*-*-*-* blog.karimatthews.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at rossberry.com Sat Jul 29 04:13:27 2006 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Connecting a Printer - How? In-Reply-To: <1eb89cf20607282003g51c6b21cme91ace20bfba5a24@mail.gmail.com> References: <1eb89cf20607282003g51c6b21cme91ace20bfba5a24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Ken Johnson wrote: > At home (on a Windows network) I have a print server connected to my router > and any machine can reach my USB printer. > > Can I connect a commercial print server (D-link DP 300U) to the switch that > feeds the clients? I don't want to attach the printer to a workstation. > You don't say what type of printer it is, but basically you need to get it on the network. There are 3 ways to do this 1) Connect it to a computer (with a parallel or USB cable) that is also on the network. Use software (samba or cups) to share this printer with others turning the computer into a 'print server'. 2) Connect it to a dedicated 'print server' which sits on the network. (Sounds like you have this at home) 3) Connect it directly to the network, with no server (only possible with a printer that has an embedded network card. Laserjets often do). #3 is easiest to setup, but has the downside that you may not be able to 'manage' the printer (and the printees) as well. #2 is a nice touch if you have it, since the print servers are typically cheap and small #1 won't work for you, since the server is in another room. You can also combine 1&2 or 1&3 to get some management. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com "Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." Thomas Paine From rmcdaniel at indata.us Sat Jul 29 12:42:53 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 05:42:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Connecting a Printer - How? Message-ID: <20060729054253.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f03de81560.wbe@email.secureserver.net> No, it is required when you don't have an integrated NIC in the printer. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us "try to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are" > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Connecting a Printer - How? > From: "Kari Matthews" > Date: Fri, July 28, 2006 10:09 pm > To: "Support list for open source software in schools." > > > I have a 20 seat computer lab at a school. All the lab computers are edubuntu; computers on teachers' desks are Win2000. I have a laser printer in the lab. I assigned an ip address to it outside the ubuntu server's dhcp range. Then, I added the printer on every edubuntu workstation. I don't use a print server. I know this doesn't help you, but I just thought I'd share a configuration that works great for me. > > So I'm curious (and Im sure this is a dumb question): Why do you need a print server? Is that required for the LTSP network? > > ~kari > > > > > > On 7/28/06, Ken Johnson wrote: > A few years ago I set up a 9 node K12LTSP network in a classroom and had great success/fun with it. Now I need to set up a 15 node network in a computer lab in a church. > > How do I connect a printer that all the workstations can print to? In my earlier network, the printer was connected directly to the server. > > In this incarnation, the server will be located in another room, and the printer needs to be in the lab with the workstations. > > At home (on a Windows network) I have a print server connected to my router and any machine can reach my USB printer. > > Can I connect a commercial print server (D-link DP 300U) to the switch that feeds the clients? I don't want to attach the printer to a workstation. > > > Ken Johnson > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > -- > *-*-*-*-*-* > blog.karimatthews.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From karisue at gmail.com Sat Jul 29 13:51:22 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 08:51:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Connecting a Printer - How? In-Reply-To: <20060729054253.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f03de81560.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20060729054253.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f03de81560.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: Ah, I see. That possibility didn't even occur to me. I don't know why -- we just go the secretary one of those cheapie kyocera laser printers. It didn't need to be on the network, though. Thanks, Ronald. kari On 7/29/06, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > No, it is required when you don't have an integrated NIC in the printer. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william at fragakis.com Sat Jul 29 13:54:05 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:54:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN] Switch Issues In-Reply-To: <20060728160023.2C32673E87@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060728160023.2C32673E87@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1154181245.5978.28.camel@server.ltsp> My advice after spending a year in your shoes: 1) As has been alluded to earlier, put all the Win boxes in the lab downstream of the ltsp server. Only the server will be handing them addresses. Make sure that the ltsp server has whatever ports open that the Win boxes might need when they are alive as Win boxes if they need anything other than port 80. Also, remind everyone that these boxes are no longer secure no matter what the district does since M'soft is dropping security update support. You are doing everyone a huge favor in getting them off the network. 2) Make your dhcp server bullet-proof. Hardcode the MAC addresses and make your dhcp static. You never want to get accused of interfering with the regular dhcp service. It simply is not worth it. Tell them this is a separate deal and there is no way what you are doing will interfere with their network. If it ever does, they'll use it as an excuse to kill your project. 3) With the etherboot floppy in, you get ltsp. Eject it and you get Windows (assuming the BIOS is set to floppy boot first which is almost always is in something that old). If your Win boxes netboot, then it would be easier - set them to netboot first in the BIOS. Then, if you need Windows, just turn off dhcp on the server, they won't get an address and will roll over to the hard disk. If you are already etherbooting, sounds like the disk in/disk out method is easiest. 4) At the risk of being supremely redundant: remind everyone in your district that you are very afraid with all the Win malware and that Win 95 is an unsupported platform, you have serious concerns that the kids not be exposed to inappropriate content, their privacy compromised by spyware keyloggers, etc. They may like the quaint white picket fence in front of the school but it is absolutely insecure and putting the kids inside at risk - and that's why you need a guard penguin (if anyone reads "Pearls Before Swine", it conjures up images of Pig's guard duck). Best of luck, William Fragakis morrisbrandon.com On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:32:17 -0700 > From: "Eliot, Dan" > Subject: [K12OSN] Switch Issues > To: > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Here's the deal... > > The technology folks in my district are less than excited that I want > to set up a LTSP Linux Lab. We are currently a Window only shop, and > the already stretched Tech staff is not interested in adding another > OS they would be responsible for (fair enough). > > They are particularly NOT excited to set it up so that the switch in > my building allows another IP range. Currently, our building allows > 10.11.150.xxx IP addresses. I would like them to add another IP range > so that the DHCP servers ("regular" and LTSP) don't conflict. So > ideally, they would add 10.11.155.xxx as the IP range for LTSP > clients. > > OK, a couple of questions for the experts on this list? > > (1) Is there any way to allow two DHCP servers to "coexist" in the > same IP range WITHOUT regular clients getting IPs from the LSTP > server? In other words, can I just stick with 10.11.150.xxx and not > have the two machine groups mess with each other. > > (2) On a related note, the machines that I will be "LTSPing" > currently have Win95. I will be using floppy disks to bootstrap to > the LTSP server. Ideally, it'd be nice for the machines to go to the > normal Windows DHCP server when they are running Windows 95, but go to > the LTSP DHCP server when I start a LTSP floppy boot. Any suggestions > for making this work seamlessly (or with as few seams as possible)? > > Thanks in advance for any input. > Dan > From olle at paalalinn.com Sun Jul 30 10:03:50 2006 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:03:50 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] MD5SUM 32bit disk3 fails Message-ID: <44CC8406.6060905@paalalinn.com> Why, oh why rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . disk3 md5sum not same as in MD5SUM file. Network install worked for me, but? Wrong line in MD5SUM file? I double-downloaded disk3 but same thing. Olle Niit From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Sun Jul 30 15:30:08 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 09:30:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Holding off up dating just in case Message-ID: <44CCD080.6070604@elp.rr.com> I have gotten into the habit of doing a wipe and clean install at the beginning of each school year to ensure that I have cleaned out everything students have miss-saved, only partially erased, and so on. I am getting ready to start a new school year and was in hopes I could install the FC-5 version of K12LTSP in my server. Is there any hope that it will be available within the next two weeks? From tkathan at charter.net Sun Jul 30 18:32:48 2006 From: tkathan at charter.net (Jim Kathan) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:32:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] few questions Message-ID: <000001c6b406$8f264050$4000a8c0@themm> I am finalizing my setup for the new school. Within the lts.conf file, how specific can I make custom settings per Mac Address (which will each be linked to user logins, ie., specific staff members). I want some teachers to be able to change their desktops, etc., and other things, but some users not to. I don't want any of the students to be able to modify things. Also, can I completely prevent people from saving their files and documents to the root folder? Or are they locked out by default, if they are not logged in as root. My colleague brought up a good point, which was that we have to test and 'break' everything before the users get in so I can know how secure Fedora is with Gnome as the interface. He wanted me to login as non-root and see how destructive I can be. I am basically out of time for all this, so I was wondering if anyone had any wisdom to share, if they have gone over these things already. Thanks in advance! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From cliebow at midmaine.com Sun Jul 30 19:02:56 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] few questions In-Reply-To: <000001c6b406$8f264050$4000a8c0@themm> References: <000001c6b406$8f264050$4000a8c0@themm> Message-ID: <51631.70.33.151.214.1154286176.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> here is a little..you can alter nautilus settings for instance to not allow traversing a directory up..remove the shell login.. We use icewm and start a locked down nautilus from Xsession so they have access only to proggies we provide a button for..chuck From cliebow at midmaine.com Sun Jul 30 19:06:08 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] backup solution for K12 In-Reply-To: <000b01c6b407$05b4e5f0$4000a8c0@themm> References: <000b01c6b407$05b4e5f0$4000a8c0@themm> Message-ID: <51634.70.33.151.214.1154286368.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> we run a nightly rsync of everyones homedirs to a remote server..and a weekly one of important files..dhcpd.conf lts.conf /ec/X11/Xsession yada yada..i wrote a sript that reads /etc/backupfiles for that where important fils are listed..makes a tar.gz of those files..and ships em to the backupserver.l From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sun Jul 30 19:08:29 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:08:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] backup solution for K12 In-Reply-To: <000b01c6b407$05b4e5f0$4000a8c0@themm> References: <000b01c6b407$05b4e5f0$4000a8c0@themm> Message-ID: http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/index.html That or backuppc, depending on your personal preferences. On Jul 30, 2006, at 1:36 PM, Jim Kathan wrote: > What?s the simplest way to run daily or weekly backups for K12? > should I just make a copy of the /home/ folder (which houses > everyone?s desktop and personal settings)? will it be easy to > import that back onto a new install of K12Fedora if something goes > south? Will I have to redo all the file permissions? > > And, what?s a good, reliable way to make a full backup of the > Fedora install? I have used things like BackupMYPC before, and > Symantec BackupExec for automated backups. > > Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From olle at paalalinn.com Sun Jul 30 21:26:12 2006 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:26:12 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] backup solution for K12 In-Reply-To: <000b01c6b407$05b4e5f0$4000a8c0@themm> References: <000b01c6b407$05b4e5f0$4000a8c0@themm> Message-ID: <44CD23F4.2010803@paalalinn.com> I use some years now this script: http://www.vvpk.vil.ee/linux/failid/varukoopia.sh Just delete estonian comments and leave english comments. with: crontab -u root -e command i wrote one additional line: 00 19 * * * /root/varukoopia and server creates incremental backup every night at 19:00 from directory to directory specified in script varukoopia.sh I found this script from LinuxFocus magazine some years ago. It's very easy and clever solution. Article in LinuxFocus magazine, March/April 2004: http://www.tldp.org/linuxfocus/English/March2004/article326.shtml Olle Niit Jim Kathan wrote: > What?s the simplest way to run daily or weekly backups for K12? should > I just make a copy of the /home/ folder (which houses everyone?s > desktop and personal settings)? will it be easy to import that back > onto a new install of K12Fedora if something goes south? Will I have > to redo all the file permissions? > > And, what?s a good, reliable way to make a full backup of the Fedora > install? I have used things like BackupMYPC before, and Symantec > BackupExec for automated backups. > > Thanks! > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Sun Jul 30 21:48:55 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:48:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] few questions In-Reply-To: <000001c6b406$8f264050$4000a8c0@themm> References: <000001c6b406$8f264050$4000a8c0@themm> Message-ID: <20060730174855.2613ddb2@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:32:48 -0700 "Jim Kathan" wrote: > I am finalizing my setup for the new school. > > Within the lts.conf file, how specific can I make custom settings per > Mac Address (which will each be linked to user logins, ie., specific > staff members). I want some teachers to be able to change their > desktops, etc., and other things, but some users not to. I don't want > any of the students to be able to modify things. I am not aware of a way to make a terminal match up with a particular user, but I don't think that will matter any to the outcome I think you want. With (K12)LTSP, any user can login at any terminal, but the users settings will "come" with them. One way would be to Make separate group accounts (staff, students, admin, whatever) then make the config files writable for those groups that you want to be able to write. Another thought (and maybe easier). Lock down the kids only. Let the staff do what ever. I am guessing from this email you are not too familiar with Linux. All the personalization (desktop changes, Window manager choices, etc) can be done from within the users home directory. (usually /home/$USERNAME ). Since that directory _has_ to be writable, then you have to "pre load" it with the config files, and make the config files unwritable (is that a word?). What I did for my kids (I have LTSP set up at home, and the 3 kids all have a login) was to make the set-up exactly like I wanted. I logged in as 1 of the kids, then configured Rox, IceWM, XMMS, Firefox, etc. I made sure to define everything, left nothing to default (like with IceWM, there are 6 or so files used to configure it. I used all 6, not just the typical ones.) Once that was done, I used chown and made them all owned by root. Once that was done, I copied them all to each of the kids folders. Not sure how you would want to do that for a large # of users, but it does work. (NOTE: be careful of some of your changes. For example, if you want to lock down Firefox, but NOT the bookmarks, then be sure NOT to change the ownership of the bookmarks.html file) > > Also, can I completely prevent people from saving their files and > documents to the root folder? Or are they locked out by default, if > they are not logged in as root. > As noted, the general user will not be able to write anything outside his/her home folder. > My colleague brought up a good point, which was that we have to test > and 'break' everything before the users get in so I can know how > secure Fedora is with Gnome as the interface. He wanted me to login as > non-root and see how destructive I can be. Great idea, but I would put money down that you (or the kids) will not be able to "break" something. They may mess up there personal settings, but that will not "break" others settings. In fact, I would add to that bet with "you, with the root password, will more then likely break something before they do".... it is not a jab on your skills, just a statement of fact that I think many on this list will agree with. If they mess up their own settings, then just wipe it out and replace it with your "default" setup. (Example: They mess up Firefox some how, then just `rm -rf /home/$USERNAME/.mozilla` and then put your default set up back in there... or just let them restart it with the standard setup) > > I am basically out of time for all this, so I was wondering if anyone > had any wisdom to share, if they have gone over these things already. > > Thanks in advance! > -- http://gentgeen.homelinux.org ############################################################# Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 21:50:30 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] few questions In-Reply-To: <000001c6b406$8f264050$4000a8c0@themm> Message-ID: <20060730215030.37614.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Linux is set up so that by default regular users can modify all of their own files and environments, but not any of the system files (including the /root folder). You don't need to do anything special to secure folders from the students. However, it sounds like you want to give the students less freedom than Fedora provides by default (like not allowing students to change their desktops). I don't know how to do that kind of thing, but I know it's been discussed here before so you might want to search the archives. https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/ In short, the default installation prevents any non-root user from messing with system files or files belonging to other users, but it gives them full ability to mess up their own files... -Rob --- Jim Kathan wrote: > I am finalizing my setup for the new school. > > Within the lts.conf file, how specific can I make > custom settings per Mac > Address (which will each be linked to user logins, > ie., specific staff > members). I want some teachers to be able to change > their desktops, etc., > and other things, but some users not to. I don't > want any of the students to > be able to modify things. > > Also, can I completely prevent people from saving > their files and documents > to the root folder? Or are they locked out by > default, if they are not > logged in as root. > > My colleague brought up a good point, which was that > we have to test and > 'break' everything before the users get in so I can > know how secure Fedora > is with Gnome as the interface. He wanted me to > login as non-root and see > how destructive I can be. > > I am basically out of time for all this, so I was > wondering if anyone had > any wisdom to share, if they have gone over these > things already. > > Thanks in advance! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 21:54:22 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] backup solution for K12 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060730215422.22976.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Burke Almquist wrote: > http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/index.html > That or backuppc, depending on your personal > preferences. rsnapshot a nice backup system that is based on the scripts at the above link. I use it on my home system and I love it. I just checked and rsnapshot is in the "extras" repository for K12LTSP. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Sun Jul 30 21:55:53 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:55:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] backup solution for K12 In-Reply-To: <000b01c6b407$05b4e5f0$4000a8c0@themm> References: <000b01c6b407$05b4e5f0$4000a8c0@themm> Message-ID: <20060730175553.5ef3d683@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:36:07 -0700 "Jim Kathan" wrote: > What's the simplest way to run daily or weekly backups for K12. should > I just make a copy of the /home/ folder (which houses everyone's > desktop and personal settings). will it be easy to import that back > onto a new install of K12Fedora if something goes south? Will I have > to redo all the file permissions? > > And, what's a good, reliable way to make a full backup of the Fedora > install? I have used things like BackupMYPC before, and Symantec > BackupExec for automated backups. > > Thanks! > I use a script from Jason Pepas. You can find it: http://www.linux-backup.net/scripts/pepas.sh.txt The script really is 3 files, 1 is the script, 1 is the "what to back up" and one is the "what not to back up" Pretty easy to use. Put it in cron: # The next line happen everyday, of every month at 4:00 AM 0 4 * * * root /usr/local/sbin/backup.sh And you will get automatic incromentail backups, and then full weekly backups. Then at the end of each week, you get an email reminder :-). I just burn that weeks worth of data onto a DVD and file it away. (Thought you might have bigger needs then a DVD, the idea is the same) -- http://gentgeen.homelinux.org ############################################################# Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 22:17:12 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Basic LTSP Question In-Reply-To: <44C52BAA.5060303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060730221712.54523.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here are the 2 easiest methods, in my opinion. 1) Use the built-in PXE boot function available in most newer laptops. You'll need to be plugged in the the network for this (wireless won't work). You may need to hit a special key to pull up a boot menu before Windows comes up (it's F8 or F12 on a lot of machines) and then choose "boot from network" or something similar. In this case, your laptop will not be running Windows, only Linux. 2) Use VNC. You'll need to start the VNC server on the K12LTSP server machine. You do that by going to "System", "Administration", "Services", then click on vncserver and hit "start". Next you need to install a VNC client on your Windows machine. I recommend TightVNC: http://www.tightvnc.com/download.html Once installed, run the vnc viewer and tell it to connect to your K12LTSP server (either by IP address or by hostname). In this case, your laptop will be running Windows, but will have a window displaying your Linux session. -Rob --- Brian wrote: > Hello List...first post.. > > In reading about K12LTSP, it seems like to connect > to the Terminal > Server, you need to do a network boot of sorts. > > Is this true or can you 'RDP' in to the server like > a Win Terminal Server? > > I was looking to experiment with K12LTSP on an old > 500MHz machine and > was going to connect to it from my laptop, but in > reading, it looks like > you need the client machine to be dedicated and not > running another OS > and then connecting to the Terminal Server. > > Am I correct or could I boot in to XP and then > connect to the LTSP server? > > Thanks in advance. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cliebow at midmaine.com Sun Jul 30 23:28:32 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Basic LTSP Question In-Reply-To: <20060730221712.54523.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <44C52BAA.5060303@gmail.com> <20060730221712.54523.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <34097.70.33.151.214.1154302112.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> you can use cygwin to get a desktop from windows..or nxclient(basedon cygwin) if you set up freenx on server(google for rick_stout + freenx)..or vnc..or even a webbased java applet like sshvnc-applet > Here are the 2 easiest methods, in my opinion. > > 1) Use the built-in PXE boot function available in > most newer laptops. You'll need to be plugged in the > the network for this (wireless won't work). You may > need to hit a special key to pull up a boot menu > before Windows comes up (it's F8 or F12 on a lot of > machines) and then choose "boot from network" or > something similar. In this case, your laptop will not > be running Windows, only Linux. > > 2) Use VNC. You'll need to start the VNC server on > the K12LTSP server machine. You do that by going to > "System", "Administration", "Services", then click on > vncserver and hit "start". Next you need to install a > VNC client on your Windows machine. I recommend > TightVNC: http://www.tightvnc.com/download.html > Once installed, run the vnc viewer and tell it to > connect to your K12LTSP server (either by IP address > or by hostname). In this case, your laptop will be > running Windows, but will have a window displaying > your Linux session. > > -Rob > > --- Brian wrote: > >> Hello List...first post.. >> >> In reading about K12LTSP, it seems like to connect >> to the Terminal >> Server, you need to do a network boot of sorts. >> >> Is this true or can you 'RDP' in to the server like >> a Win Terminal Server? >> >> I was looking to experiment with K12LTSP on an old >> 500MHz machine and >> was going to connect to it from my laptop, but in >> reading, it looks like >> you need the client machine to be dedicated and not >> running another OS >> and then connecting to the Terminal Server. >> >> Am I correct or could I boot in to XP and then >> connect to the LTSP server? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From karisue at gmail.com Sun Jul 30 23:28:20 2006 From: karisue at gmail.com (Kari Matthews) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:28:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] linux workstations? Message-ID: Does anybody have any linux workstations (not thin client) in their network? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon Jul 31 00:04:19 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:04:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Proxying versus the website Message-ID: <6AC0D1B1-8E0B-4AC4-82D5-8AAA1743C723@mindfirestudios.com> I just upgraded our server from K12LTSP 3.1 to 5.0RC2 and moved it as well. I finally have almost everything working, except one thing. It seems that you cannot use the transparent-proxying/squidguard setup if you also want to run a website on the machine. I think it has something to do with how the iptables rules are setup. I'm sure I'll figure out a way to manually get around this, but it seems like this is something we should fix. The other thing is that the iptables setup in general is kind of messy because there are three scripts that alter the iptables rulesets: iptables, transparent-proxying, and nat (I don't think iptables-k12ltsp does because it uses the "trusted interface" moniker instead of inserting/removing rules). The bottom line is that changing iptables and restarting means you have to restart nat and transparent-proxy. It also means that rules for the proxying and nat could get doubled up if they get saved to iptables and then also run by their correct scripts. Those three rulesets should almost really be all in iptables. This is probably more a fedora problem in general but I thought it was worth mentioning. From sbarar at gmail.com Mon Jul 31 02:04:52 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:34:52 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] linux workstations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <774593a20607301904r218371f4k58a9d170882ba911@mail.gmail.com> On 31/07/06, Kari Matthews wrote: > Does anybody have any linux workstations (not thin client) in their network? > Yep. Linux (two flavours) and two win boxes. All getting their IP from LTSP server. -- Regards, Sudev Barar From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Jul 31 03:23:58 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:23:58 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading from K12LTSP 4.2 to 5.0 Message-ID: I have a K12LTSP 4.2 server that has been running for a few years now using LDAPSMB on the same server. I will install K12LTSP 5.0 on an identical machine then once I have copied over everything I need I will wipe the the old machine and use it as a backuppc or something like that. Any tips from anyone about the most painless way to upgrade? What do I need to copy? For a start I guess I will need /home directory plus lts.conf, dhcpd.conf and smb.conf. Anything else? I also recall that user information is copied by setting up the server as a backup smbldap server that mirrors the original smldapl, then set the new one as the primary ldap server. I also have FreeNX and Crossoveroffice running on it. I want to make sure I don't leave out anything important when I make the transition. From les at futuresource.com Mon Jul 31 03:47:12 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:47:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] backup solution for K12 In-Reply-To: <000b01c6b407$05b4e5f0$4000a8c0@themm> References: <000b01c6b407$05b4e5f0$4000a8c0@themm> Message-ID: <1154317632.21913.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2006-07-30 at 13:36, Jim Kathan wrote: > What???s the simplest way to run daily or weekly backups for K12??? should > I just make a copy of the /home/ folder (which houses everyone???s > desktop and personal settings)??? will it be easy to import that back > onto a new install of K12Fedora if something goes south? Will I have > to redo all the file permissions? > > And, what???s a good, reliable way to make a full backup of the Fedora > install? I have used things like BackupMYPC before, and Symantec > BackupExec for automated backups. Backuppc (http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/) running on another machine with a big hard drive will do the backups automatically over the network and give you a nice web interface to restore or grab individual files. It uses compression and linking of duplicates to keep more history than other methods using the same space. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From info at baf-computers.com Mon Jul 31 07:01:43 2006 From: info at baf-computers.com (Les Finch) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:01:43 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] linux workstations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1154329303.6034.2.camel@server.com> Yes I have both at the same time Plus windows. On Sun, 2006-07-30 at 18:28 -0500, Kari Matthews wrote: > Does anybody have any linux workstations (not thin client) in their > network? > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Les Finch From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Mon Jul 31 11:30:44 2006 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (larry) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:30:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] linux workstations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1154345444.8048.32.camel@localhost> Yes - WinXP and K12LTSPEL and a couple of Macs. On Sun, 2006-07-30 at 18:28 -0500, Kari Matthews wrote: > Does anybody have any linux workstations (not thin client) in their > network? > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Jul 31 15:32:46 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:32:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac OSX 'xquery'... Message-ID: <44CE229E.5010303@paasda.org> Is it possible to query the xserver from a Mac laptop?? I've just been asked to help support a school and they have a 'mobile lab' (which I'd likely just hardwire to provide K12LTSP) on the laptops for conformity to the other computers in the classroom. Is there a method (other than installing another linux distro on them) to get them to query the Xserver? I looked for xquery but didn't find it in Mac OSX. --Huck From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 31 15:37:31 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:37:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac OSX 'xquery'... In-Reply-To: <44CE229E.5010303@paasda.org> References: <44CE229E.5010303@paasda.org> Message-ID: <44CE23BB.1090808@mesd.k12.or.us> Huck wrote: > Is it possible to query the xserver from a Mac laptop?? > > I've just been asked to help support a school and they have a 'mobile > lab' (which I'd likely just hardwire to provide K12LTSP) on the laptops > for conformity to the other computers in the classroom. > > Is there a method (other than installing another linux distro on them) > to get them to query the Xserver? > > I looked for xquery but didn't find it in Mac OSX. http://k12ltsp.org/osx_howto.html -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Jul 31 15:42:14 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:42:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac OSX 'xquery'... In-Reply-To: <44CE23BB.1090808@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44CE229E.5010303@paasda.org> <44CE23BB.1090808@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44CE24D6.9040406@paasda.org> Lovely! Thanks Dan. Dan Young wrote: > Huck wrote: >> Is it possible to query the xserver from a Mac laptop?? >> >> I've just been asked to help support a school and they have a 'mobile >> lab' (which I'd likely just hardwire to provide K12LTSP) on the laptops >> for conformity to the other computers in the classroom. >> >> Is there a method (other than installing another linux distro on them) >> to get them to query the Xserver? >> >> I looked for xquery but didn't find it in Mac OSX. > > http://k12ltsp.org/osx_howto.html > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 31 15:59:36 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:59:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] MD5SUM 32bit disk3 fails In-Reply-To: <44CC8406.6060905@paalalinn.com> References: <44CC8406.6060905@paalalinn.com> Message-ID: <44CE28E8.7010003@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Olle Niit wrote: > Why, oh why > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . > disk3 md5sum not same as in MD5SUM file. > > Network install worked for me, but? Wrong line in MD5SUM file? > I double-downloaded disk3 but same thing. > > Olle Niit > Checks out for me... $ cd /var/ftp/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ $ md5sum -c MD5SUMS K12LTSP-5.0.0-RC2-32bit-disc1.iso: OK K12LTSP-5.0.0-RC2-32bit-disc2.iso: OK K12LTSP-5.0.0-RC2-32bit-disc3.iso: OK K12LTSP-5.0.0-RC2-32bit-disc4.iso: OK K12LTSP-5.0.0-RC2-32bit-disc5.iso: OK K12LTSP-5.0.0-RC2-32bit-disc6.iso: OK Try touching disc3 and re-run the rsync... $ touch K12LTSP-5.0.0-RC2-32bit-disc3.iso $ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . Or, if you want to wait a bit, I'll try to have RC3 out tonight or tomorrow... -Eric From rgm at htt-consult.com Mon Jul 31 16:16:04 2006 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:16:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] lessons learned on smb/ldap setup in centos4 In-Reply-To: <42EF6FE6.1020404@msln.net> References: <42EF6FE6.1020404@msln.net> Message-ID: <44CE2CC4.1040401@htt-consult.com> After a long detour stepping my way into Linux (like first moving DNS and Mail from NT server to Linux), I am back at converting my NT domain to Linux. I am committed to Centos, which is now at 4.3 and very soon at 4.4. So I see that Centos is still not listed as a supported platform, but then RedHat Enterprise is not listed either.... Is the script mods listed below still apply (months later and newer versions)? Next skip after script for my next questions... Mark Gumprecht wrote: > For those interestedin the 4.2.1el smb/ldap setup here's what I've been > able to reproduce. Using Matt's 2.0 alpha version of the installer, and > an install of the 4.2.1EL version of centos4 without the LTSP package. > This is the change I made to the distro_data.pm. > > ################################### > "centos4" => > { > # this needs to be set because smbldap-tools-0.8.6-1 puts utilities > in here > PATH => "/usr/sbin", > > media_mnt_point => { cd => "/media/cd.*", }, > rpms => > { > 'perl-Convert-BER-1.31.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'perl-Unicode-Map8-0.12-*.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'perl-Crypt-SmbHash-0.02-*.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'perl-Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09-*.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'perl-Jcode-0.83-*.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'perl-Unicode-String-2.07-*.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-*.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'smbldap-tools-0.9.1-*.rpm' => > { > medianames => "script", > path => "PWD/rpms", > }, > > 'binutils-2.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'perl-HTML-Tagset-3.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'cpp-3.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'perl-libwww-perl-5.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'perl-URI-1.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'perl-HTML-Parser-3.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'samba-common-3.*.i386.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'samba-3.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'perl-XML-NamespaceSupport-1.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #2", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'perl-XML-SAX-0.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #2", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'perl-LDAP-0.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #2", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'perl-Convert-ASN1-0.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #2", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'gcc-3.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #3", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'openldap-clients-2.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #4", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'glibc-devel-2.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #3", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'glibc-headers-2.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #3", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'glibc-kernheaders-2.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #3", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'openldap-servers-2.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #3", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'perl-IO-Socket-SSL-0.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #3", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'perl-Digest-SHA1-2.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #1", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > > 'perl-Net_SSLeay-1.*.rpm' => > { > medianames => { cd => "cd #4", }, > path => "Fedora/RPMS/", > }, > }, > }, # end centos4 > > ################################### > > Then I did the CPAN Bundle::install thing OK, I am still very green with Linux, I have done a few makes and such. Right now I am doing the: install Bundle::CPAN > Next, I ran the script(make all) and noted all the rpms it could not > find. I ASSuME that if I am missing some, getting them (I use yemex and have DAG repos included) and restarting causes no harm. > I then Went to the DAG (weirs) Site > http://dag.wieers.com/packages/ And downloaded any packages that the > script said that were missing and > dependencies that the rpms called for. Once all the packages were > installed and the script completed successfully, I rebooted. > At this point ldap seemed to consistantly fail. Go into the > /etc/openldap/ldap.conf and delete the TLS entry. Then I start ldap, I see that TLS is not being used for LDAP rep yet so this makes sense. > service ldap start. It then ran fine. > Then continue on with david's directions on testing the install. > > THE THINGS THAT GOT ME > 1. Firewall & SELinux , I shut them off. I'm not smart enough to get it > to work through the firewall. I turned them off at install time. > 2. CUT & PASTE. One would think I would learn by now...DO NOT CUT AND > PASTE. Doing this can sometimes introduce hidden formatting charactors > that will hose you. Thanks to Derek Dresser for pointing that out. Really not hard to use. > 3. The TLS thing being in the ldap.conf file. > 4. Originally setting the file server up on a different network. I just > couldn't seem to figure out how to combat that, soooo I reloaded on the > network that it was going to be on and that cured many little issues. This is a 'real' concern with me. I am replacing an NT domain PDC, and I do not want to play with names. So I have set up a separate network where I can install, the IP addresses are changed slightly, I hope this will not be a problem? I have my host.conf going to my hosts file before bind, and I have my server setup in the hosts file.... If I have to set up a whole dummy DNS, I can, I have done it for things like unlocking PAP2 boxes... > 5. Paying attention to were the smbldap tools are located and adjusting > the script and or tools location to make it work. Would like to know more on this one. > Hopefully this will help someone else with their install. Yes. Well the Install Bundle::CPAN finally ended with various warnings. Should I just proceed? There was a comment early in the install about being back-leveled and to do some update or other, but it scrollled off the screen. From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 31 15:37:31 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:37:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac OSX 'xquery'... Message-ID: Huck wrote: > Is it possible to query the xserver from a Mac laptop?? > > I've just been asked to help support a school and they have a 'mobile > lab' (which I'd likely just hardwire to provide K12LTSP) on the laptops > for conformity to the other computers in the classroom. > > Is there a method (other than installing another linux distro on them) > to get them to query the Xserver? > > I looked for xquery but didn't find it in Mac OSX. http://k12ltsp.org/osx_howto.html -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From scott at remc1.org Mon Jul 31 16:30:56 2006 From: scott at remc1.org (Scott Sherrill) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:30:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac OSX 'xquery'... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44CE3040.10802@remc1.org> > > http://k12ltsp.org/osx_howto.html > I like using Xnest: /usr/X11R6/bin/Xnest -query 10.1.1.12 :1 -name Nessie -geometry 1024x768 & Just another option.... Scott From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Mon Jul 31 17:21:55 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:21:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] What version Message-ID: <44CE3C33.4000407@elp.rr.com> What version of Fedora is in K12LTSP 4.4.1? From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Jul 31 17:26:31 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:26:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] What version In-Reply-To: <44CE3C33.4000407@elp.rr.com> References: <44CE3C33.4000407@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <44CE3D47.3030004@paasda.org> I believe it is version FC 4 --Huck John P. Conlon wrote: > What version of Fedora is in K12LTSP 4.4.1? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 31 17:35:15 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:35:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP yum/ftp/rsync server going down for maintenance Message-ID: <44CE3F53.1060205@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> FYI: the K12LTSP ftp server/yum repository will be off-line for about a half-hour for maintenance. It should be back up by 11:00 PDT (18:00 UTC) -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jul 31 17:53:01 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:53:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP yum/ftp/rsync server going down for maintenance In-Reply-To: <44CE3F53.1060205@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44CE3F53.1060205@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44CE437D.40200@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > FYI: the K12LTSP ftp server/yum repository will be off-line for about a > half-hour for maintenance. It should be back up by 11:00 PDT (18:00 UTC) > The server is back on-line... -Eric From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Mon Jul 31 21:23:06 2006 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:23:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] What version In-Reply-To: <44CE3D47.3030004@paasda.org> References: <44CE3C33.4000407@elp.rr.com> <44CE3D47.3030004@paasda.org> Message-ID: <44CE74BA.3030803@elp.rr.com> Thanks. I would really like to see the version with FC-5 come out in a week or so. I only install and update once per school year after watching our district Linux guy wipe massive amounts of student work because something didn't work right on the servers he tends. I have my own personal stuff that includes a home made server and 10 dumpster home brew thin clients. As a teacher I don't need upset students and irate parents. Any idea as to whether the FC-5 version will be out soon? I've seen a lot of messaging about things for it. Thanks Pat Huck wrote: > I believe it is version FC 4 > > --Huck > > John P. Conlon wrote: > >> What version of Fedora is in K12LTSP 4.4.1? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see >