From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu Jun 1 01:42:48 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 01:42:48 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] howto restore desktop settings In-Reply-To: <1149041695.3899.6.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1149041695.3899.6.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1149126168.15672.4.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 02:14 +0000, Gavin Chester wrote: > I have lost all my desktop tweaks for both KDE and Xfce by > accidentally choosing 'reset desktop' at the session login screen > (GDM?). Groan. How do I restore my customised settings? Hmm, well I bit the bullet and did two things: 1. I restarted GDM; and 2. I recreated the mail accounts I had in evolution. This seems to have done the trick and not only are all my old settings and mail for evo back in all its glory, but firefox seems magically restored, too. Phew :-) I alos rediscovered 'gdmsetup' in the process and now have a different look to my graphical login. Not a bad outcome, really. Still would like to edit the session menu, as posted separately. Gavin. From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu Jun 1 01:44:52 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 01:44:52 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] howto edit GDM menu In-Reply-To: <1149042092.3899.12.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1149042092.3899.12.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1149126292.15672.7.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 10:21 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > This is a supplementary question to my last post about undoing a 'reset > desktop'. Where do I look to edit the login session menu that GDM > offers on the stock K12LTSP install? > > In my GDM menu I have always seen repeats of session options (eg., more > than one IceWM) and I want to remove that dreaded 'reset desktop' option > altogether. Begone, I say! ;-) I fixed the related GDM issue in my other post, but still couldn't find anyway to pare down the session offerings listed in the GDM menu. Gavin From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu Jun 1 01:58:19 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 01:58:19 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] yum problems on dialup In-Reply-To: <447C8EFA.2030903@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1148975599.16578.144.camel@server.ltsp> <1149002484.16578.230.camel@server.ltsp> <447C7B1D.7030007@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1149012105.28704.10.camel@server.ltsp> <447C8EFA.2030903@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1149127099.15672.21.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 11:29 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > Gavin Chester wrote: -snip- > > > > Now, I just have to tackle that issue of the XML file not parsing > > correctly when I use the repo 'extras'. Perhaps the first thing I > > should do is restore the original repo file by removing my pasted-in > > Australian mirror for that repo. See how I go :-) > > I'm guessing that the XML parsing issue will be resolved by increasing > the timeout. > The parsing error is probably due to the fact that you downloaded PART > of the file before it timed out. You were definitely on the right track there, Eric. As mentioned before, following your guide to increase yum timeout worked except for the repos that had been giving XML parsing errors. After checking the detail of those files, I eventually took the plunge and deleted the errant XML file, hoping it would be recreated at the next run of 'update'. My hunch proved correct and all parsing errors vanished. When it did reappear once more after another 'timeout' (despite 180 sec timeout) it didn't build to be such a problem that it wasn't self-correcting. Whew. As an aside, I can only repeat my complaint of more than a year ago that yum is VERY wasteful of time and bandwidth when on dialup. With the full suite of repos enabled (about 10, I remember) it can take more than 10mins to just load the header files, etc before yum even starts to look at downloading the selected package. The big problem is that it doesn't cache this info locally and when you select a new download straight after it goes through retrieving all the repo headers, etc all over again. This can amount to about 4Mb downloaded before even considering the selected package. VERY inefficient :-( Gavin From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Jun 1 01:44:32 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 21:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] "network boot" in the bios In-Reply-To: <20060531224331.97201.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4477C784.7040205@hiplik.com.hk> <20060531224331.97201.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45422.70.33.151.214.1149126272.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> the cards need to support pxe boot..if you are counting on it..a card with the right prom wiill boot via etherboot too..not all bioses will reliably boot via etherboot...some compaqs come to mind...chuck From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu Jun 1 06:16:10 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:16:10 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] clients not getting TFTP Message-ID: <1149142570.3659.16.camel@server.ltsp> Setup: New install of 4.4.1 with Compaq Deskpro PII clients with PXE 2.0 (BIOS updated) I had one of these clients booting before after it had BIOS update. Not sure what has happened to change that but now that client and others won't start, they report TFTP open timeout. Each client gets: - DHCP MAC address - Client ID: 192.168.0.x Mask: x.x.x.x DHCP IP: 192.168.0.x - Gateway IP: 192.168.0.x PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout I have looked at web pages describing the same problem and one that seemed relevant talked about TFTP server not running or being found. I checked my services status and it IS running on my server. Another pointer talked about kernel images not being in the right place. I don't know if it's relevant but I just installed the nvidia kernel module via yum and rebooted. However, the boot messages reported that the module was not found and it failed ... but that may be the subject of another post ;-) Any pointers as to where to look for this TFTP problem? Thanks. Gavin From trond at maehlum.net Thu Jun 1 06:47:32 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:47:32 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Picasa...also now on LInux! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <447E8D84.3070407@maehlum.net> David Trask skrev: > First, if you've never used Picasa (a photo album/editing program from > Google) then you need to give it a try....it rocks! I've been using it > for some time now...and I love it. I tell folks to avoid installing the > software that comes with their digital camera and simply use > Picasa....it's so much better. The editing tools are cool....the > cataloging is automatic like iPhoto...only more so....and I love the ease > with which I can share my photos online with any one of many services like > Kodak EasyShare Gallery, Walmart, RitzPhoto, Shutterfly, Snapfish, and > many others. Simply select the pics....click "order prints" (a bit of a > misnomer) and it will create an online album for you to share using > whatever service you use (most are free...I use the Kodak EasyShare > Gallery). It's free program and it's available from Google. BUT...the > best part? It's now available for Linux! And it looks and > works....exactly the same as the Windows version. I installed it on my > Ubuntu laptop.....it's very slick. I just hooked up my digital > camera....it recognized it right away and away we go! Very cool. I have tried it also, and I agree, it works well. One thing is not so good though. When you launch it and tells it to look through the entire computer for images, it actuallt finds every image on the server. That is a lot. I want it only to find images within the students home-folders. Does anyone know a solution for this? Regards Trond Maehlum > If you've longed for something that approaches the ease of iPhoto on > Windows or Linux....this is it! > > http://picasa.google.com/ > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Director > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From andyr at wizzy.com Thu Jun 1 10:12:49 2006 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:12:49 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] clients not getting TFTP In-Reply-To: <1149142570.3659.16.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1149142570.3659.16.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <20060601101249.GA6466@wizzy.com> On Thu, 01 Jun 2006, Gavin Chester wrote: > Setup: > New install of 4.4.1 with Compaq Deskpro PII clients with PXE 2.0 (BIOS > updated) > > I had one of these clients booting before after it had BIOS update. Not > sure what has happened to change that but now that client and others > won't start, they report TFTP open timeout. > > Any pointers as to where to look for this TFTP problem? Thanks. tftpd has a -v option, which you can supply more than once. For debian-flavored distros, you would add this to /etc/inetd. For Redhattish distros, put it in /etc/xinetd.d/tftp. Then check system logs (/var/log/messages perhaps, or daemon.log) for error messages. Cheers, Andy! From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu Jun 1 10:52:25 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 18:52:25 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] clients not getting TFTP In-Reply-To: <20060601101249.GA6466@wizzy.com> References: <1149142570.3659.16.camel@server.ltsp> <20060601101249.GA6466@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <1149159145.3659.17.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 12:12 +0200, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > On Thu, 01 Jun 2006, Gavin Chester wrote: > > > Setup: > > New install of 4.4.1 with Compaq Deskpro PII clients with PXE 2.0 (BIOS > > updated) > > > > I had one of these clients booting before after it had BIOS update. Not > > sure what has happened to change that but now that client and others > > won't start, they report TFTP open timeout. > > > > Any pointers as to where to look for this TFTP problem? Thanks. > > tftpd has a -v option, which you can supply more than once. > > For debian-flavored distros, you would add this to /etc/inetd. > > For Redhattish distros, put it in /etc/xinetd.d/tftp. > > Then check system logs (/var/log/messages perhaps, or daemon.log) > for error messages. > > Cheers, Andy! Thanks, Andy I'll give that a try, see what it can tell me and report back :-) Gavin From jwhite at codeweavers.com Thu Jun 1 13:02:21 2006 From: jwhite at codeweavers.com (Jeremy White) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:02:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Picasa...also now on LInux! In-Reply-To: <447E8D84.3070407@maehlum.net> References: <447E8D84.3070407@maehlum.net> Message-ID: <447EE55D.4090809@codeweavers.com> > I have tried it also, and I agree, it works well. One thing is not so > good though. When you launch it and tells it to look through the entire > computer for images, it actuallt finds every image on the server. That > is a lot. I want it only to find images within the students home-folders. > > Does anyone know a solution for this? The only easy way to do that is to select the second choice in the opening screen 'scan only the desktop', and then manually add back in the directories you would like to scan. Hopefully a future version will allow a different set of choices that would make this a bit easier. (And if folks do get this working reasonably well on a multi thin client setup, let me know; I would have told you that wouldn't have worked :-/). Cheers, Jeremy From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Jun 1 13:11:15 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:11:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux /home, OSX authentication Message-ID: I'm hoping someone can at least point me in the right direction... I currently have all my accounts stored on a Linux machine, and I use NIS for network authentication. Due to the vast numbers of OSX clients I'll have next year, I want to move authentication to our Xserve. I'm pretty sure all my Linux boxes will authenticate to the Xserve happily (correct me if I'm wrong), but I don't want to move my document storage away from my really nice Linux RAID machine. Is it possible to configure OSX server to have clients use a /home directory share for their network folder via SMB? I'm currently doing it via NFS to my OSX users, and having the clients authenticate via NIS -- but it's really a kludge. I'd love to have the computer mount the home directory via SMB at login, but I'm not sure it can be done. Has anyone done anything like that? Thanks a ton, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Thu Jun 1 16:44:21 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:44:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: [Ltsp-discuss] What distribution should I use? In-Reply-To: <447F1789.2010503@skoozdag.com> Message-ID: <200606011717.k51HH7cL024293@mx3.redhat.com> All, Ubuntu all the way. :) -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -----Original Message----- From: ltsp-discuss-admin at lists.sourceforge.net [mailto:ltsp-discuss-admin at lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Eric Holt Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 12:36 PM To: ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] What distribution should I use? Damien: I havnt posted on here in a while, but I saw yours and thought I'd respond and give you an answer you probably wont here from anyone else on the list... Go with Slackware! Slackware is an extremely stable distribution which makes it a great server operating system. It may be slightly trickier to setup LTSP on, but when you do, you'll be thrilled. 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To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu Jun 1 17:33:45 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 01:33:45 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] clients not getting TFTP In-Reply-To: <1149159145.3659.17.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1149142570.3659.16.camel@server.ltsp> <20060601101249.GA6466@wizzy.com> <1149159145.3659.17.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1149183225.3659.44.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 18:52 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 12:12 +0200, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > > On Thu, 01 Jun 2006, Gavin Chester wrote: > > > > > Setup: > > > New install of 4.4.1 with Compaq Deskpro PII clients with PXE 2.0 (BIOS > > > updated) > > > > > > I had one of these clients booting before after it had BIOS update. Not > > > sure what has happened to change that but now that client and others > > > won't start, they report TFTP open timeout. > > > > > > Any pointers as to where to look for this TFTP problem? Thanks. > > > > tftpd has a -v option, which you can supply more than once. > > > > For debian-flavored distros, you would add this to /etc/inetd. > > > > For Redhattish distros, put it in /etc/xinetd.d/tftp. > > > > Then check system logs (/var/log/messages perhaps, or daemon.log) > > for error messages. > > > > Cheers, Andy! > > Thanks, Andy I'll give that a try, see what it can tell me and report > back :-) > Okay, I wasn't sure whether I invoked the '-v' option correctly, but I guessed at putting it in both of the files '/etc/xinetd.d/tftp' and /etc/xinetd.d/tftp.k12ltsp.rpmsave' by adding a 'v' to the line thus: "server_args = -sv /tftpboot" ^ Whether or not that worked, I can't say, but a check of /var/log/messages gave this output (cut to delete irrelevant stuff): ---------------------------- Jun 2 01:15:18 server xinetd[2892]: readjusting service tftp Jun 2 01:15:18 server xinetd[2892]: readjusting service vnc-1024x768x16 Jun 2 01:15:18 server xinetd[2892]: readjusting service vnc-800x600x16 Jun 2 01:15:18 server xinetd[2892]: readjusting service vnc-640x480x16 Jun 2 01:15:18 server xinetd[2892]: readjusting service vnc-1024x768x8 Jun 2 01:15:18 server xinetd[2892]: readjusting service vnc-800x600x8 Jun 2 01:15:18 server xinetd[2892]: readjusting service vnc-640x480x8 Jun 2 01:15:18 server xinetd[2892]: Reconfigured: new=1 old=7 dropped=0 (services) Jun 2 01:15:18 server xinetd[2892]: Starting reconfiguration Jun 2 01:15:18 server xinetd[2892]: Swapping defaults Jun 2 01:15:18 server xinetd[2892]: readjusting service tftp Jun 2 01:15:18 server xinetd[2892]: readjusting service vnc-1024x768x16 Jun 2 01:15:18 server xinetd[2892]: readjusting service vnc-800x600x16 Jun 2 01:15:18 server xinetd[2892]: readjusting service vnc-640x480x16 Jun 2 01:15:18 server xinetd[2892]: readjusting service vnc-1024x768x8 Jun 2 01:15:18 server xinetd[2892]: readjusting service vnc-800x600x8 Jun 2 01:15:18 server xinetd[2892]: readjusting service vnc-640x480x8 Jun 2 01:15:18 server xinetd[2892]: service printer deactivated Jun 2 01:15:18 server xinetd[2892]: Reconfigured: new=0 old=7 dropped=1 (services) Jun 2 01:16:18 server kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team Jun 2 01:16:18 server kernel: ip_conntrack version 2.1 (8192 buckets, 65536 max) - 256 bytes per conntrack Jun 2 01:17:58 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:08:c7:39:de:50 via eth0 Jun 2 01:17:59 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.252 to 00:08:c7:39:de:50 via eth0 Jun 2 01:17:59 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:08:c7:39:de:50 via eth0 Jun 2 01:17:59 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.252 to 00:08:c7:39:de:50 via eth0 Jun 2 01:18:01 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:08:c7:39:de:50 via eth0 Jun 2 01:18:01 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.252 to 00:08:c7:39:de:50 via eth0 Jun 2 01:18:04 server dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.252 (192.168.0.254) from 00:08:c7:39:de:50 via eth0 Jun 2 01:18:04 server dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.252 to 00:08:c7:39:de:50 via eth0 Jun 2 01:20:01 server crond(pam_unix)[19179]: session opened for user root by (uid=0) Jun 2 01:20:01 server crond(pam_unix)[19180]: session opened for user root by (uid=0) Jun 2 01:20:02 server crond(pam_unix)[19179]: session closed for user root Jun 2 01:20:02 server crond(pam_unix)[19180]: session closed for user root ------------------------------ Now, that's all Russian to me. I hope it sheds light on the matter to someone :-) Gavin. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Jun 1 17:44:36 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:44:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Picasa...also now on LInux! In-Reply-To: <447EE55D.4090809@codeweavers.com> References: < > <447E8D84.3070407@maehlum.net> <447EE55D.4090809@codeweavers.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, June 01, 2006 at 9:02 AM +0000 wrote: >> I have tried it also, and I agree, it works well. One thing is not so >> good though. When you launch it and tells it to look through the entire >> computer for images, it actuallt finds every image on the server. That >> is a lot. I want it only to find images within the students >home-folders. >> >> Does anyone know a solution for this? > >The only easy way to do that is to select the second choice >in the opening screen 'scan only the desktop', and then manually >add back in the directories you would like to scan. > >Hopefully a future version will allow a different set >of choices that would make this a bit easier. > >(And if folks do get this working reasonably well on a >multi thin client setup, let me know; I would have told you >that wouldn't have worked :-/). > >Cheers, > >Jeremy > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see couldn't you simply set it to scan /home? That scans all users home directories only David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Jun 1 18:05:11 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 14:05:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] remote CUPS administration In-Reply-To: <447CC3D3.6030309@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <35355.199.216.98.50.1149025028.squirrel@199.216.98.50> <447CC3D3.6030309@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <9bd317560606011105u7b39fba7q12c320bca51e0de4@mail.gmail.com> You can also use webmin to make a webmin user for your librarian that only offers the printer admin module. You can also configure which parts of the module they can change. You don't have to give up your root pw that way. ;) Peter On 5/30/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > Joe Guenther wrote: > > I have a library printer that for some unknown reason will have print jobs > > that get stuck in the queue. I notice it when they call me on my cell > > phone ... it won't print in the library, or I look and find print jobs > > accumulating for the past 2 days. > > > > SO how can I make it possible for the librarian to access the LTSP > > server's CUPS web interface from her XP workstation? > > > > 1) with the current cupsd.conf I can access the site:631, but get a 403 > > forbidden ... you don't have permission to accesss the resource on the > > server. At this point I have googled around and have not found the > > solution. Has anyone here overcome the same issue and be willing to offer > > some advice to get me going in the right direction? > > > > 2) login should be something other than root. I suspect I need to put a > > user login on the system that is then part of the sys group. > > I've seen it done this way... edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and add a > "SystemGroup" line, such as: > > SystemGroup printadmin > > > Then you can create a "printadmin" group and add the librarian to that > group. If you are a gui-person: System->Administration->Users and > Groups. If you are a command-line person: > > groupadd printadmin > usermod -a -G printadmin > > > Finally reload cups... > > /sbin/service cups reload > > > -Eric > > > = = = = cupsd.conf = = = = > > > > AuthType Basic > > AuthClass System > > > > ## Restrict access to local domain > > #Order Deny,Allow > > #Deny From All > > Order Allow,Deny > > Allow from ALL > > Allow From 127.0.0.1 > > Allow From 10.10.0.0/16 > > > > #Encryption Required > > > > > > # > > # End of "$Id: cupsd.conf.in,v 1.16 2004/08/18 17:53:47 mike Exp $". > > # > > # Lines below are automatically generated - DO NOT EDIT > > > > Order Deny,Allow > > #Deny From All > > Allow from ALL > > Allow From 127.0.0.1 > > Allow From 10.10.0.0/16 > > AuthType None > > > > > > Order Deny,Allow > > #Deny From All > > Allow from ALL > > Allow From 127.0.0.1 > > Allow From 10.10.0.0/16 > > AuthType None > > > > > > Order Deny,Allow > > #Deny From All > > Allow from ALL > > Allow From 127.0.0.1 > > Allow From 10.10.0.0/16 > > AuthType None > > > > > > Order Deny,Allow > > #Deny From All > > Allow from ALL > > Allow From 127.0.0.1 > > Allow From 10.10.0.0/16 > > AuthType None > > > > Browsing On > > BrowseProtocols cups > > BrowseOrder Deny,Allow > > BrowseAllow from 10.10.*.* > > BrowseAllow from @LOCAL > > Listen 127.0.0.1:631 > > Listen 10.10.100.3:631 > > > > > > thanks > > Joe Guenther > > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > Lantech - Didsbury > > Chinook's Edge School Div. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Jun 1 17:35:08 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:35:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: [Ltsp-discuss] What distribution should I use? Message-ID: <20060601103508.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.8c78ba73a0.wbe@email.secureserver.net> What makes Ubuntu a better OS than something like Fedora? I am getting ready to roll out 8 new Linux based servers and am trying to decide on the OS. We do and will be using thinclients at each school. The labs that I have setup so far have all been using K12LTSP with Fedora. Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] RE: [Ltsp-discuss] What distribution should I use? > From: "Paul VanGundy" > Date: Thu, June 01, 2006 11:44 am > To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" > > > All, > > Ubuntu all the way. :) > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > -----Original Message----- > From: ltsp-discuss-admin at lists.sourceforge.net > [mailto:ltsp-discuss-admin at lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Eric Holt > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 12:36 PM > To: ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] What distribution should I use? > > Damien: I havnt posted on here in a while, but I saw yours and thought I'd > respond and give you an answer you probably wont here from anyone else on > the list... Go with Slackware! Slackware is an extremely stable > distribution which makes it a great server operating system. It may be > slightly trickier to setup LTSP on, but when you do, you'll be thrilled. > I've never used CentOS, so I cant comment on it. My father uses SuSE on his > desktop and loves it, but he's said many times that he'd never think of > using SuSE on a server. > > Check it out. Dont dismiss Slackware just because its a lesser-used > distribution or that its a little more difficult to setup. Its one of the > oldest if not THE oldest distribution still around, and does have a very > loyal user-base. I've used it in conjunction with LTSP now for nearly two > years and the stability of it is just amazing. I'd be glad to give you a > hand getting it setup if need-be. Just ask!!! :) > > > HTH, > --Eric > > > > > > > > Damien Hull wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I'm a big CentOS fan. Works well as a server and a workstation. It's a > > good all around distribution. > > > > For the past two months or so I've been playing around with OpenSuse. > > While I wouldn't use it as a server it does make a good workstation. > > > > Should I stick with CentOS or make the switch to Suse? If there's > > another distribution I should be looking at let me know. > > > > > > - -- > > You can get my public PGP key at https://keyserver.pgp.com > > > > Digital Overload > > http://www.digitaloverload.net > > > > Keep your data safe by doing regular backups. At Digital Overload we use > > a combination of DVD and hard drive backups. For off site storage we use > > a safe-deposit box at the bank. All backups are encrypted. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.7 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > > iD8DBQFEfw26+rNhalK/8UURAsySAJ91etDmSl/WUKW8AE+EuFjZi7rWPwCeNHQm > > 6MzbIjmAP19+ijdNeDG4nYg= > > =fszh > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! > > Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in > > the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=107521&bid=248729&dat=121642 > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss > > For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! > Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in > the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=107521&bid=248729&dat=121642 > _____________________________________________________________________ > Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss > For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From timothy.hart at gmail.com Thu Jun 1 19:39:34 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 15:39:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: [Ltsp-discuss] What distribution should I use? In-Reply-To: <20060601103508.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.8c78ba73a0.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20060601103508.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.8c78ba73a0.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <464c38cc0606011239sd0189ffx154aaa3974c23235@mail.gmail.com> It is Debian based for one thing. Certain people like RPM based distros better. I happen to like Debian. Kind of geeky, but that is why there are more user friendly distros built on top of the stable debian base. I like Ubuntu but prefer KDE so I have used Kubuntu. Although my favorite distro as of late has been Mepis. Basically the latest version is based on Ubuntu but with a bunch of things you would want anyways, like mp3 playback by default. It has a fantastic live disc/install disc as well. Just pop it in, try it out, click install. Very easy. Highly recommended. On 6/1/06, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > What makes Ubuntu a better OS than something like Fedora? I am getting > ready to roll out 8 new Linux based servers and am trying to decide on > the OS. We do and will be using thinclients at each school. The labs > that I have setup so far have all been using K12LTSP with Fedora. > > Thanks, > > Ron > > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 238-1890 cell > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: [K12OSN] RE: [Ltsp-discuss] What distribution should I use? > > From: "Paul VanGundy" > > Date: Thu, June 01, 2006 11:44 am > > To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" > > > > > > All, > > > > Ubuntu all the way. :) > > > > -Paul > > > > -- > > Paul VanGundy > > Information Technology Director > > Epping High School > > Epping Middle School > > P: 603.679.5472 > > F: 603.679.2966 > > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > Registered Linux User #398783 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ltsp-discuss-admin at lists.sourceforge.net > > [mailto:ltsp-discuss-admin at lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Eric Holt > > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 12:36 PM > > To: ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net > > Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] What distribution should I use? > > > > Damien: I havnt posted on here in a while, but I saw yours and thought > I'd > > respond and give you an answer you probably wont here from anyone else > on > > the list... Go with Slackware! Slackware is an extremely stable > > distribution which makes it a great server operating system. It may be > > slightly trickier to setup LTSP on, but when you do, you'll be thrilled. > > I've never used CentOS, so I cant comment on it. My father uses SuSE on > his > > desktop and loves it, but he's said many times that he'd never think of > > using SuSE on a server. > > > > Check it out. Dont dismiss Slackware just because its a lesser-used > > distribution or that its a little more difficult to setup. Its one of > the > > oldest if not THE oldest distribution still around, and does have a very > > loyal user-base. I've used it in conjunction with LTSP now for nearly > two > > years and the stability of it is just amazing. I'd be glad to give you > a > > hand getting it setup if need-be. Just ask!!! :) > > > > > > HTH, > > --Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Damien Hull wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > I'm a big CentOS fan. Works well as a server and a workstation. It's a > > > good all around distribution. > > > > > > For the past two months or so I've been playing around with OpenSuse. > > > While I wouldn't use it as a server it does make a good workstation. > > > > > > Should I stick with CentOS or make the switch to Suse? If there's > > > another distribution I should be looking at let me know. > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > You can get my public PGP key at https://keyserver.pgp.com > > > > > > Digital Overload > > > http://www.digitaloverload.net > > > > > > Keep your data safe by doing regular backups. At Digital Overload we > use > > > a combination of DVD and hard drive backups. For off site storage we > use > > > a safe-deposit box at the bank. All backups are encrypted. > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.7 (GNU/Linux) > > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > > > > iD8DBQFEfw26+rNhalK/8UURAsySAJ91etDmSl/WUKW8AE+EuFjZi7rWPwCeNHQm > > > 6MzbIjmAP19+ijdNeDG4nYg= > > > =fszh > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and > Risk! > > > Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat > certifications in > > > the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more > > > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=107521&bid=248729&dat=121642 > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > > Ltsp-discuss mailing list. 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URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jun 1 19:40:11 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:40:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] clients not getting TFTP In-Reply-To: <1149183225.3659.44.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1149142570.3659.16.camel@server.ltsp> <20060601101249.GA6466@wizzy.com> <1149159145.3659.17.camel@server.ltsp> <1149183225.3659.44.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <447F429B.7010204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Gavin Chester wrote: > On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 18:52 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: >> On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 12:12 +0200, Andy Rabagliati wrote: >>> On Thu, 01 Jun 2006, Gavin Chester wrote: >>> >>>> Setup: >>>> New install of 4.4.1 with Compaq Deskpro PII clients with PXE 2.0 (BIOS >>>> updated) >>>> >>>> I had one of these clients booting before after it had BIOS update. Not >>>> sure what has happened to change that but now that client and others >>>> won't start, they report TFTP open timeout. >>>> >>>> Any pointers as to where to look for this TFTP problem? Thanks. >>> tftpd has a -v option, which you can supply more than once. >>> >>> For debian-flavored distros, you would add this to /etc/inetd. >>> >>> For Redhattish distros, put it in /etc/xinetd.d/tftp. >>> >>> Then check system logs (/var/log/messages perhaps, or daemon.log) >>> for error messages. >>> >>> Cheers, Andy! >> Thanks, Andy I'll give that a try, see what it can tell me and report >> back :-) >> > > Okay, I wasn't sure whether I invoked the '-v' option correctly, but I > guessed at putting it in both of the files '/etc/xinetd.d/tftp' > and /etc/xinetd.d/tftp.k12ltsp.rpmsave' by adding a 'v' to the line > thus: > "server_args = -sv /tftpboot" > ^ I believe that should be: server_args = -v -s /tftpboot I also believe you need to re-load xinetd for this to take affect: /sbin/service xinetd reload -Eric From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Jun 1 20:00:20 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 15:00:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] RE: [Ltsp-discuss] What distribution should I use? In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0606011239sd0189ffx154aaa3974c23235@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060601103508.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.8c78ba73a0.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <464c38cc0606011239sd0189ffx154aaa3974c23235@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If you are wanting to do K12LTSP, I'd stick with Fedora. . . Those guys are constantly revising and making that better! For a drop-in deal, that is the way to go! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Timothy Hart wrote: > It is Debian based for one thing. Certain people like RPM based distros > better. I happen to like Debian. Kind of geeky, but that is why there are > more user friendly distros built on top of the stable debian base. I like > Ubuntu but prefer KDE so I have used Kubuntu. Although my favorite distro as > of late has been Mepis. Basically the latest version is based on Ubuntu but > with a bunch of things you would want anyways, like mp3 playback by default. > It has a fantastic live disc/install disc as well. Just pop it in, try it > out, click install. Very easy. Highly recommended. > > On 6/1/06, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > > > What makes Ubuntu a better OS than something like Fedora? I am getting > > ready to roll out 8 new Linux based servers and am trying to decide on > > the OS. We do and will be using thinclients at each school. The labs > > that I have setup so far have all been using K12LTSP with Fedora. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > Conecuh County Schools > > (251) 578-7073 x26 > > (251) 238-1890 cell > > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > Subject: [K12OSN] RE: [Ltsp-discuss] What distribution should I use? > > > From: "Paul VanGundy" > > > Date: Thu, June 01, 2006 11:44 am > > > To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" > > > > > > > > > All, > > > > > > Ubuntu all the way. :) > > > > > > -Paul > > > > > > -- > > > Paul VanGundy > > > Information Technology Director > > > Epping High School > > > Epping Middle School > > > P: 603.679.5472 > > > F: 603.679.2966 > > > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > > Registered Linux User #398783 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ltsp-discuss-admin at lists.sourceforge.net > > > [mailto:ltsp-discuss-admin at lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Eric Holt > > > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 12:36 PM > > > To: ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net > > > Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] What distribution should I use? > > > > > > Damien: I havnt posted on here in a while, but I saw yours and thought > > I'd > > > respond and give you an answer you probably wont here from anyone else > > on > > > the list... Go with Slackware! Slackware is an extremely stable > > > distribution which makes it a great server operating system. It may be > > > slightly trickier to setup LTSP on, but when you do, you'll be thrilled. > > > I've never used CentOS, so I cant comment on it. My father uses SuSE on > > his > > > desktop and loves it, but he's said many times that he'd never think of > > > using SuSE on a server. > > > > > > Check it out. Dont dismiss Slackware just because its a lesser-used > > > distribution or that its a little more difficult to setup. Its one of > > the > > > oldest if not THE oldest distribution still around, and does have a very > > > loyal user-base. I've used it in conjunction with LTSP now for nearly > > two > > > years and the stability of it is just amazing. I'd be glad to give you > > a > > > hand getting it setup if need-be. Just ask!!! :) > > > > > > > > > HTH, > > > --Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Damien Hull wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > I'm a big CentOS fan. Works well as a server and a workstation. It's a > > > > good all around distribution. > > > > > > > > For the past two months or so I've been playing around with OpenSuse. > > > > While I wouldn't use it as a server it does make a good workstation. > > > > > > > > Should I stick with CentOS or make the switch to Suse? If there's > > > > another distribution I should be looking at let me know. > > > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > You can get my public PGP key at https://keyserver.pgp.com > > > > > > > > Digital Overload > > > > http://www.digitaloverload.net > > > > > > > > Keep your data safe by doing regular backups. At Digital Overload we > > use > > > > a combination of DVD and hard drive backups. For off site storage we > > use > > > > a safe-deposit box at the bank. All backups are encrypted. > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.7 (GNU/Linux) > > > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > > > > > > iD8DBQFEfw26+rNhalK/8UURAsySAJ91etDmSl/WUKW8AE+EuFjZi7rWPwCeNHQm > > > > 6MzbIjmAP19+ijdNeDG4nYg= > > > > =fszh > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and > > Risk! > > > > Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat > > certifications in > > > > the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more > > > > > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=107521&bid=248729&dat=121642 > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > > > Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss > > > > For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! > > > Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications > > in > > > the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more > > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=107521&bid=248729&dat=121642 > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > > Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss > > > For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From bigjeep95 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 1 19:20:24 2006 From: bigjeep95 at hotmail.com (Casey Mynott) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:20:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC and LTSP terminal client problem Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Thu Jun 1 20:24:15 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:24:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC and LTSP terminal client problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <447F4CEF.5010704@maltzen.net> Casey Mynott wrote: > ps. Is their a way to actually remotely connect to the server using VNC > so I can log in as root to the server rather than the terminal login > that I am getting? Thanks! > If you use SSH to connect to the server, you can create a tunnel for VNC to use to connect to the server, like so: ssh -L 3700:localhost:5900 server You'll get a normal ssh session, but while that's running, point your local vncviewer at localhost:3700 and it will be redirected to the server's 5900 port where the xvncserver is listening. TightVNC has this ability built-in I believe, but I tend to use this method because it works no matter what. It's also handy for tunneling other things like doing Webmin management, etc. Petre From timothy.hart at gmail.com Thu Jun 1 20:27:00 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:27:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: [Ltsp-discuss] What distribution should I use? In-Reply-To: References: <20060601103508.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.8c78ba73a0.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <464c38cc0606011239sd0189ffx154aaa3974c23235@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <464c38cc0606011327s573ccdc4rd1d1ff466f346ae0@mail.gmail.com> I would agree with that statement. If you want to run a server for K12LTSP go with Fedora. On 6/1/06, Doug Simpson wrote: > > If you are wanting to do K12LTSP, I'd stick with Fedora. . . > > Those guys are constantly revising and making that better! > > For a drop-in deal, that is the way to go! > > > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Timothy Hart wrote: > > > It is Debian based for one thing. Certain people like RPM based distros > > better. I happen to like Debian. Kind of geeky, but that is why there > are > > more user friendly distros built on top of the stable debian base. I > like > > Ubuntu but prefer KDE so I have used Kubuntu. Although my favorite > distro as > > of late has been Mepis. Basically the latest version is based on Ubuntu > but > > with a bunch of things you would want anyways, like mp3 playback by > default. > > It has a fantastic live disc/install disc as well. Just pop it in, try > it > > out, click install. Very easy. Highly recommended. > > > > On 6/1/06, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > > > > > What makes Ubuntu a better OS than something like Fedora? I am > getting > > > ready to roll out 8 new Linux based servers and am trying to decide on > > > the OS. We do and will be using thinclients at each school. The labs > > > that I have setup so far have all been using K12LTSP with Fedora. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > > > Conecuh County Schools > > > (251) 578-7073 x26 > > > (251) 238-1890 cell > > > 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc > > > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > > Subject: [K12OSN] RE: [Ltsp-discuss] What distribution should I use? > > > > From: "Paul VanGundy" > > > > Date: Thu, June 01, 2006 11:44 am > > > > To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" > > > > > > > > > > > > All, > > > > > > > > Ubuntu all the way. :) > > > > > > > > -Paul > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Paul VanGundy > > > > Information Technology Director > > > > Epping High School > > > > Epping Middle School > > > > P: 603.679.5472 > > > > F: 603.679.2966 > > > > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > > > Registered Linux User #398783 > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: ltsp-discuss-admin at lists.sourceforge.net > > > > [mailto:ltsp-discuss-admin at lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Eric > Holt > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 12:36 PM > > > > To: ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net > > > > Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] What distribution should I use? > > > > > > > > Damien: I havnt posted on here in a while, but I saw yours and > thought > > > I'd > > > > respond and give you an answer you probably wont here from anyone > else > > > on > > > > the list... Go with Slackware! Slackware is an extremely stable > > > > distribution which makes it a great server operating system. It may > be > > > > slightly trickier to setup LTSP on, but when you do, you'll be > thrilled. > > > > I've never used CentOS, so I cant comment on it. My father uses > SuSE on > > > his > > > > desktop and loves it, but he's said many times that he'd never think > of > > > > using SuSE on a server. > > > > > > > > Check it out. Dont dismiss Slackware just because its a lesser-used > > > > distribution or that its a little more difficult to setup. Its one > of > > > the > > > > oldest if not THE oldest distribution still around, and does have a > very > > > > loyal user-base. I've used it in conjunction with LTSP now for > nearly > > > two > > > > years and the stability of it is just amazing. I'd be glad to give > you > > > a > > > > hand getting it setup if need-be. Just ask!!! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > HTH, > > > > --Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Damien Hull wrote: > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > > > I'm a big CentOS fan. Works well as a server and a workstation. > It's a > > > > > good all around distribution. > > > > > > > > > > For the past two months or so I've been playing around with > OpenSuse. > > > > > While I wouldn't use it as a server it does make a good > workstation. > > > > > > > > > > Should I stick with CentOS or make the switch to Suse? If there's > > > > > another distribution I should be looking at let me know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > > You can get my public PGP key at https://keyserver.pgp.com > > > > > > > > > > Digital Overload > > > > > http://www.digitaloverload.net > > > > > > > > > > Keep your data safe by doing regular backups. At Digital Overload > we > > > use > > > > > a combination of DVD and hard drive backups. For off site storage > we > > > use > > > > > a safe-deposit box at the bank. All backups are encrypted. > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.7 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > > > > > > > > iD8DBQFEfw26+rNhalK/8UURAsySAJ91etDmSl/WUKW8AE+EuFjZi7rWPwCeNHQm > > > > > 6MzbIjmAP19+ijdNeDG4nYg= > > > > > =fszh > > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and > > > Risk! > > > > > Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat > > > certifications in > > > > > the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. 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URL: From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Jun 1 20:37:12 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] VNC and LTSP terminal client problem In-Reply-To: <447F4CEF.5010704@maltzen.net> References: <447F4CEF.5010704@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <56380.70.33.151.214.1149194232.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> nx has it all over vnc..i used it from France to get a desktop here in Maine and for the patient it works on a dialup..chuck > Casey Mynott wrote: > >> ps. Is their a way to actually remotely connect to the server using VNC >> so I can log in as root to the server rather than the terminal login >> that I am getting? Thanks! >> > If you use SSH to connect to the server, you can create a tunnel for VNC > to use to > connect to the server, like so: > > ssh -L 3700:localhost:5900 server > > You'll get a normal ssh session, but while that's running, point your > local vncviewer at > localhost:3700 and it will be redirected to the server's 5900 port where > the xvncserver > is listening. TightVNC has this ability built-in I believe, but I tend to > use this > method because it works no matter what. It's also handy for tunneling > other things like > doing Webmin management, etc. > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Thu Jun 1 20:53:13 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:53:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC and LTSP terminal client problem In-Reply-To: <56380.70.33.151.214.1149194232.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <447F4CEF.5010704@maltzen.net> <56380.70.33.151.214.1149194232.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <447F53B9.1060508@maltzen.net> I'll second that, with one caveat. VNC is better than having to drive to the server, but NX is like being there, real time. The caveat is that I have two systems in different locations, running the same version of K12LTSP, 4.2.2. On one, NX works like a champ; on the other, I cannot get connected. Plus, on the one that works, I've got a buddy who cannot connect it. So, it's great when it works, but it's a bit inconsistent for me so far. Petre cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > nx has it all over vnc..i used it from France to get a desktop here in Maine > and for the patient it works on a dialup..chuck >> Casey Mynott wrote: >> >>> ps. Is their a way to actually remotely connect to the server using VNC >>> so I can log in as root to the server rather than the terminal login >>> that I am getting? Thanks! >>> >> If you use SSH to connect to the server, you can create a tunnel for VNC >> to use to >> connect to the server, like so: >> >> ssh -L 3700:localhost:5900 server >> >> You'll get a normal ssh session, but while that's running, point your >> local vncviewer at >> localhost:3700 and it will be redirected to the server's 5900 port where >> the xvncserver >> is listening. TightVNC has this ability built-in I believe, but I tend to >> use this >> method because it works no matter what. It's also handy for tunneling >> other things like >> doing Webmin management, etc. >> >> Petre >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rmcdaniel at indata.us Thu Jun 1 20:55:30 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:55:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC and LTSP terminal client problem Message-ID: <20060601135530.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.171989b65b.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Have you tried Webmin, www.webmin.com? It works well for a remote management application for the servers. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] VNC and LTSP terminal client problem > From: "Casey Mynott" > Date: Thu, June 01, 2006 2:20 pm > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > > Hello all, I have a question regarding the use of VNC and K12LTSP. I am running FC5 K12LTSP all up to date, a server and a lab of 6 terminals. 3 Pentium 2's and 3 imac's. It looked awesome and WAS running great. I started dabbling in VNC and remote administration of the server and it seemed to be working great. Downloaded RealVNC and used the IP address given to the server to connect to the net. As I did this I would be the VNC viewer would see the server not as a remote desktop but as a client. After I did this the terminals will no longer log into the LTSP server. They get an ip address and start to download and then they HANG! I have googled and searched and I am stumped. Please see link for a pic of the terminal screen. http://www3.telus.net/mynott/DSCN0751.JPG I am doing all this work to try and show our school that their are other options than M$ and MAC. Thanks for any help. It is much appreciated. ;) ps. Is their a way to actually remotely connect to the serv! er using VNC so I can log in as root to the server rather than the terminal login that I am getting? Thanks! Casey Mynott Technology Education CE London Secondary School Richmond, British Columbia, Canada > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Thu Jun 1 20:59:36 2006 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:59:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: [Ltsp-discuss] What distribution should I use? In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0606011327s573ccdc4rd1d1ff466f346ae0@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060601103508.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.8c78ba73a0.wbe@email.secureserver.net> <464c38cc0606011239sd0189ffx154aaa3974c23235@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0606011327s573ccdc4rd1d1ff466f346ae0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1149195576.5133.55.camel@localhost> Just throwing in my +1 for Ubuntu. All the nice things about debian, plus a polished (arguably the most polished) Linux desktop. And with the release of 6.06 LTS today, you've got a nice long support life cycle for the Desktop (3 years) and servers (5 years) so upgrade churn should be minimal. In fact, I've been waiting for this release to go gold to start moving my production machines over to Ubuntu. -- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, OR (541)767-3778 http://www.slane.k12.or.us From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Jun 1 21:10:59 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 17:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] VNC and LTSP terminal client problem In-Reply-To: <447F53B9.1060508@maltzen.net> References: <447F4CEF.5010704@maltzen.net> <56380.70.33.151.214.1149194232.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <447F53B9.1060508@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <50397.70.33.151.214.1149196259.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> ive had my moments as well..five mor or less identical rhel3 installs..but one ill be damned if i can get icewm to work on it..even had fabian franz the author working on it..i did learn a lot of diagnostic stuff..but still one server works only in kde..chuck > I'll second that, with one caveat. VNC is better than having to drive to > the server, > but NX is like being there, real time. The caveat is that I have two > systems in > different locations, running the same version of K12LTSP, 4.2.2. On one, > NX works like > a champ; on the other, I cannot get connected. Plus, on the one that > works, I've got a > buddy who cannot connect it. So, it's great when it works, but it's a bit > inconsistent > for me so far. > > Petre > > cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: >> nx has it all over vnc..i used it from France to get a desktop here in >> Maine >> and for the patient it works on a dialup..chuck >>> Casey Mynott wrote: >>> >>>> ps. Is their a way to actually remotely connect to the server using >>>> VNC >>>> so I can log in as root to the server rather than the terminal login >>>> that I am getting? Thanks! >>>> >>> If you use SSH to connect to the server, you can create a tunnel for >>> VNC >>> to use to >>> connect to the server, like so: >>> >>> ssh -L 3700:localhost:5900 server >>> >>> You'll get a normal ssh session, but while that's running, point your >>> local vncviewer at >>> localhost:3700 and it will be redirected to the server's 5900 port >>> where >>> the xvncserver >>> is listening. TightVNC has this ability built-in I believe, but I tend >>> to >>> use this >>> method because it works no matter what. It's also handy for tunneling >>> other things like >>> doing Webmin management, etc. >>> >>> Petre >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From andrae.findlator at gmail.com Thu Jun 1 21:36:03 2006 From: andrae.findlator at gmail.com (Andrae Findlator) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 17:36:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop sound Message-ID: Can the rdestop program be enhanced to use a sound server (NASD, ESD)? I would like to have sound on both the win 2003 terminal and the Xwin terminal. 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In-Reply-To: <447F5DE6.9000003@codeweavers.com> References: < > < > < > <447E8D84.3070407@maehlum.net> < > <447EE55D.4090809@codeweavers.com> < > <447F5DE6.9000003@codeweavers.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, June 01, 2006 at 5:36 PM +0000 wrote: >> couldn't you simply set it to scan /home? That scans all users home >> directories only > >Well, I think my preference is to scan ~, otherwise you'd be >scanning other peoples directories as well. > >Cheers, > >Jeremy Aha! Good Point! > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Jun 1 23:31:28 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:31:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki for Open Source Lab at NECC 2006 Message-ID: I've just finished placing a wiki for the Open Source lab at NECC 2006 at http://necc2006.pbwiki.com/. July 5 - 7 in San Diego at the San Diego Convention Center. It should be a really fun event. We are still looking for volunteers to help staff the six booths that we will have, or to just come and help at the lab. The initial conference reception is being held in the same part of the convention center as the lab, so we're going to get lots of good exposure. Please contact me if you want to help in any way. Steve -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From drloomis at cox-internet.com Fri Jun 2 00:29:52 2006 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Dr. Daniel Loomis) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 19:29:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NX works great . . . mostly! In-Reply-To: <20060601205952.CFBA673651@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060601205952.CFBA673651@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <447F8680.6000506@cox-internet.com> Peter Sheie was spot in when he wrote that NX is so much better than VNC . . . when it works. Even over a wireless connection with my laptop the screen response is comparable to being on a local console. I have successfully connected to an ltsp server running Fedora 5 and a PCLinuxOS 0.93 workstation. I even had a good NX connection to a FreeBSD 6.1 box before it mysteriously quit working and now refuses to reconnect. Getting NX to work seems a mostly hit or miss proposition. I am using Rick Stout's patched versions of freenx and nx for Fedora, available at: http://fedoranews.org/contributors/rick_stout/freenx/ Getting the ssh validation with public/private keys is relatively straightforward. But another ltsp server running Fedora 3, I get only timeouts no matter how I tweek it. Validation completes, but it never negotiates a link. I have uninstalled and reinstalled several times, but to no avail. Anyone else having this kind of problem? Moreover, anyone have a clue as to what I should try next? Dan From ssanders at coin.org Fri Jun 2 02:18:54 2006 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 21:18:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] wall-jack thin clients? In-Reply-To: <447F8680.6000506@cox-internet.com> References: <20060601205952.CFBA673651@hormel.redhat.com> <447F8680.6000506@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: <1149214734.7578.6.camel@bofh.ltsp> I'm sure the Slashdot readers here saw this today. A miniPC that would make a nice thin client, that fits into an AC jack cutout: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39272166,00.htm The model above is a bit pricey at I think around USD $390, but there are lessor models. http://www.chippc.com/resources/JackPC_Booklet.pdf Many on here are interested in recycling old PC's for K12OSN I know, but the 5 watts and micro space make it very interesting for other applications. While the zdnet link mentions the model that has Windows CE imbedded, the .pdf prominently mentions Thin Client several times. I'm sure the Windows CE license adds to the cost. It looks like one of these with a PXE boot would fit in easily. I want one in the kitchen. And the bedroom. and the bathroom. From jam at mcquil.com Fri Jun 2 02:22:53 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 22:22:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] wall-jack thin clients? In-Reply-To: <1149214734.7578.6.camel@bofh.ltsp> References: <20060601205952.CFBA673651@hormel.redhat.com> <447F8680.6000506@cox-internet.com> <1149214734.7578.6.camel@bofh.ltsp> Message-ID: <447FA0FD.60103@McQuil.com> ssanders at coin.org wrote: > I'm sure the Slashdot readers here saw this today. A miniPC that would > make a nice thin client, that fits into an AC jack cutout: > > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39272166,00.htm > > The model above is a bit pricey at I think around USD $390, but there > are lessor models. > > http://www.chippc.com/resources/JackPC_Booklet.pdf > > Many on here are interested in recycling old PC's for K12OSN I know, but > the 5 watts and micro space make it very interesting for other > applications. > > While the zdnet link mentions the model that has Windows CE imbedded, > the .pdf prominently mentions Thin Client several times. I'm sure the > Windows CE license adds to the cost. It looks like one of these with a > PXE boot would fit in easily. I want one in the kitchen. And the > bedroom. and the bathroom. > Look more closely at the details. It's NOT x86. it's an AMD risc chip. It's not like you can just buy one of these, bolt it to the wall, and be happy. But, I agree, it is an interesting concept. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ssanders at coin.org Fri Jun 2 03:16:50 2006 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 22:16:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] wall-jack thin clients? In-Reply-To: <447FA0FD.60103@McQuil.com> References: <20060601205952.CFBA673651@hormel.redhat.com> <447F8680.6000506@cox-internet.com> <1149214734.7578.6.camel@bofh.ltsp> <447FA0FD.60103@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <1149218210.7578.7.camel@bofh.ltsp> On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 22:22 -0400, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > Look more closely at the details. It's NOT x86. it's an AMD risc chip. Aha! I saw that, but just read right by it. From dhbarr at gozelle.com Fri Jun 2 03:26:44 2006 From: dhbarr at gozelle.com (David H. Barr) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 22:26:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] wall-jack thin clients? In-Reply-To: <1149218210.7578.7.camel@bofh.ltsp> References: <20060601205952.CFBA673651@hormel.redhat.com> <447F8680.6000506@cox-internet.com> <1149214734.7578.6.camel@bofh.ltsp> <447FA0FD.60103@McQuil.com> <1149218210.7578.7.camel@bofh.ltsp> Message-ID: Barry actually discussed these a week or two ago; http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2006-May/msg00495.html The downside is that the vendor takes a pretty dim view of Linux in general. I believe pricing of approx. 290 USD was the cheapest quote I could run down in quantities of 10. Neat idea, though I think PXE was explicitly discounted for some unfathomable reason. -dhbarr. On 6/1/06, ssanders at coin.org wrote: > On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 22:22 -0400, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > > > Look more closely at the details. It's NOT x86. it's an AMD risc chip. > > Aha! I saw that, but just read right by it. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Fri Jun 2 03:26:22 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:26:22 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] clients not getting TFTP In-Reply-To: <447F429B.7010204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1149142570.3659.16.camel@server.ltsp> <20060601101249.GA6466@wizzy.com> <1149159145.3659.17.camel@server.ltsp> <1149183225.3659.44.camel@server.ltsp> <447F429B.7010204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1149218782.3659.58.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 12:40 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > Gavin Chester wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 18:52 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > >> On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 12:12 +0200, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > >>> On Thu, 01 Jun 2006, Gavin Chester wrote: -snip- > > Okay, I wasn't sure whether I invoked the '-v' option correctly, but I > > guessed at putting it in both of the files '/etc/xinetd.d/tftp' > > and /etc/xinetd.d/tftp.k12ltsp.rpmsave' by adding a 'v' to the line > > thus: > > "server_args = -sv /tftpboot" > > ^ > > I believe that should be: > > server_args = -v -s /tftpboot > > > > I also believe you need to re-load xinetd for this to take affect: > > /sbin/service xinetd reload > > > -Eric Thanks, Eric I changed the line as you suggested and reloaded xinetd and it gave only a slightly different output in /var/log/messages (see below for snippet of log). Curiously, the client I'm testing now gives a different error message thus: PXE-E11: ARP timeout PXE-E11: ARP timeout PXE-E38: TFTP cannot open connection -----log snippet------ Jun 2 11:02:02 server xinetd[2892]: Starting reconfiguration Jun 2 11:02:02 server xinetd[2892]: Swapping defaults Jun 2 11:02:02 server xinetd[2892]: readjusting service tftp Jun 2 11:02:02 server xinetd[2892]: readjusting service vnc-1024x768x16 Jun 2 11:02:02 server xinetd[2892]: readjusting service vnc-800x600x16 Jun 2 11:02:02 server xinetd[2892]: readjusting service vnc-640x480x16 Jun 2 11:02:02 server xinetd[2892]: readjusting service vnc-1024x768x8 Jun 2 11:02:02 server xinetd[2892]: readjusting service vnc-800x600x8 Jun 2 11:02:02 server xinetd[2892]: readjusting service vnc-640x480x8 Jun 2 11:02:02 server xinetd[2892]: Reconfigured: new=0 old=7 dropped=0 (services) Jun 2 11:02:44 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:08:c7:39:de:50 via eth0 Jun 2 11:02:45 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.252 to 00:08:c7:39:de:50 via eth0 Jun 2 11:02:45 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:08:c7:39:de:50 via eth0 Jun 2 11:02:45 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.252 to 00:08:c7:39:de:50 via eth0 Jun 2 11:02:47 server dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:08:c7:39:de:50 via eth0 Jun 2 11:02:47 server dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.252 to 00:08:c7:39:de:50 via eth0 Jun 2 11:02:51 server dhcpd: Wrote 0 deleted host decls to leases file. Jun 2 11:02:51 server dhcpd: Wrote 0 new dynamic host decls to leases file. Jun 2 11:02:51 server dhcpd: Wrote 3 leases to leases file. Jun 2 11:02:51 server dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.252 (192.168.0.254) from 00:08:c7:39:de:50 via eth0 Jun 2 11:02:51 server dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.252 to 00:08:c7:39:de:50 via eth0 Jun 2 11:05:01 server crond(pam_unix)[25562]: session opened for user root by (uid=0) -------------------------- I hope this sheds more light on the problem. Thanks, Gavin. From trond at maehlum.net Fri Jun 2 05:48:20 2006 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:48:20 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Picasa...also now on LInux! In-Reply-To: <447F5DE6.9000003@codeweavers.com> References: < > <447E8D84.3070407@maehlum.net> <447EE55D.4090809@codeweavers.com> <447F5DE6.9000003@codeweavers.com> Message-ID: <447FD124.4070001@maehlum.net> Jeremy White skrev: >> couldn't you simply set it to scan /home? That scans all users home >> directories only > > Well, I think my preference is to scan ~, otherwise you'd be > scanning other peoples directories as well. Exactly. We have 2300 users on our fileserver, and Picasa returned _a lot_ of images. Even though Picasa can be told to scan just "Desktop", some students _will_ choose the other option. Trond > > Cheers, > > Jeremy > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jonathan at ubuntu.com Fri Jun 2 06:40:17 2006 From: jonathan at ubuntu.com (Jonathan Carter) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 08:40:17 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Wiki for Open Source Lab at NECC 2006 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1149230417.4684.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey Steve On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 16:31 -0700, Steve Hargadon wrote: > I've just finished placing a wiki for the Open Source lab at NECC 2006 > at http://necc2006.pbwiki.com/. July 5 - 7 in San Diego at the San > Diego Convention Center. Great to hear from you on edubuntu-devel :) Are you going to have some Edubuntu thin clients running as well? -Jonathan From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Fri Jun 2 09:12:31 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:12:31 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] yum problems on dialup In-Reply-To: <1149127099.15672.21.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1148975599.16578.144.camel@server.ltsp> <1149002484.16578.230.camel@server.ltsp> <447C7B1D.7030007@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1149012105.28704.10.camel@server.ltsp> <447C8EFA.2030903@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1149127099.15672.21.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1149239551.3659.73.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 01:58 +0000, Gavin Chester wrote: > On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 11:29 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > > Gavin Chester wrote: > > -snip- > > > > > > > Now, I just have to tackle that issue of the XML file not parsing > > > correctly when I use the repo 'extras'. Perhaps the first thing I > > > should do is restore the original repo file by removing my pasted-in > > > Australian mirror for that repo. See how I go :-) > > > > I'm guessing that the XML parsing issue will be resolved by increasing > > the timeout. > > The parsing error is probably due to the fact that you downloaded PART > > of the file before it timed out. > > You were definitely on the right track there, Eric. As mentioned > before, following your guide to increase yum timeout worked except for > the repos that had been giving XML parsing errors. After checking the > detail of those files, I eventually took the plunge and deleted the > errant XML file, hoping it would be recreated at the next run of > 'update'. My hunch proved correct and all parsing errors vanished. -snip- Just one final word on this for the sake of the archives: I have had several repeats of the XML file parsing error. It is generated by the timeouts and can affect any repository repomd.xml file. When run from the command line, yum tells which repomd.xml file is affected. You fix things by deleting the offending file before re-running the yum operation - if you don't the parsing problem will persist. Gavin From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 2 11:48:22 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 04:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] VNC and LTSP terminal client problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060602114822.69566.qmail@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Casey, Do you mean that you installed RealVNC onto the server? I think K12LTSP already includes VNC (TightVNC, I think, but I'm not sure). If you installed RealVNC, perhaps that messed something up. Regarding remote administration... I used to use VNC from home to administer our school's servers until I installed FreeNX. Wow. VNC was useable, if you're really patient. NX though just blows it away for remote connections. David Whitmer Media & Technology Director Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) ----- Original Message ---- From: Casey Mynott To: k12osn at redhat.com Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2006 3:20:24 PM Subject: [K12OSN] VNC and LTSP terminal client problem Hello all, I have a question regarding the use of VNC and K12LTSP. I am running FC5 K12LTSP all up to date, a server and a lab of 6 terminals. 3 Pentium 2's and 3 imac's. It looked awesome and WAS running great. I started dabbling in VNC and remote administration of the server and it seemed to be working great. Downloaded RealVNC and used the IP address given to the server to connect to the net. As I did this I would be the VNC viewer would see the server not as a remote desktop but as a client. After I did this the terminals will no longer log into the LTSP server. They get an ip address and start to download and then they HANG! I have googled and searched and I am stumped. Please see link for a pic of the terminal screen. http://www3.telus.net/mynott/DSCN0751.JPG I am doing all this work to try and show our school that their are other options than M$ and MAC. Thanks for any help. It is much appreciated. ;) ps. Is their a way to actually remotely connect to the server using VNC so I can log in as root to the server rather than the terminal login that I am getting? Thanks! Casey Mynott Technology Education CE London Secondary School Richmond, British Columbia, Canada _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From olle at paalalinn.com Fri Jun 2 13:02:41 2006 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:02:41 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] NX works great . . . mostly! In-Reply-To: <447F8680.6000506@cox-internet.com> References: <20060601205952.CFBA673651@hormel.redhat.com> <447F8680.6000506@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: <448036F1.4060303@paalalinn.com> I use some years now FreeNX on FC2, FC3, FC4 servers (FC5 not tried yet) and never had problem. Yes, some servers had problem with install, but then I make those folders myself what install complains about and remove package and install again. But if freenx server already works, only format will stop it. All servers were K12LTSP servers. So its very wierd to hear someone have problem. Ports, I use remotely is something like 50015 outside and firewall routes it then to 192.168.0.15 port 22 and so on. And always I use keys. No problems!!! I say it again - FreeNX works very well. Always. No problems. I have 7 icons to remote FreeNX servers to 5 different companies and schools and no problems so far. Olle Niit Dr. Daniel Loomis wrote: > Peter Sheie was spot in when he wrote that NX is so much better than > VNC . . . when it works. Even over a wireless connection with my > laptop the screen response is comparable to being on a local console. > I have successfully connected to an ltsp server running Fedora 5 and a > PCLinuxOS 0.93 workstation. I even had a good NX connection to a > FreeBSD 6.1 box before it mysteriously quit working and now refuses to > reconnect. Getting NX to work seems a mostly hit or miss proposition. > > I am using Rick Stout's patched versions of freenx and nx for Fedora, > available at: > > http://fedoranews.org/contributors/rick_stout/freenx/ > > Getting the ssh validation with public/private keys is relatively > straightforward. But another ltsp server running Fedora 3, I get only > timeouts no matter how I tweek it. Validation completes, but it never > negotiates a link. I have uninstalled and reinstalled several times, > but to no avail. > > Anyone else having this kind of problem? Moreover, anyone have a clue > as to what I should try next? > > Dan From les at futuresource.com Fri Jun 2 13:46:42 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 08:46:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NX works great . . . mostly! In-Reply-To: <448036F1.4060303@paalalinn.com> References: <20060601205952.CFBA673651@hormel.redhat.com> <447F8680.6000506@cox-internet.com> <448036F1.4060303@paalalinn.com> Message-ID: <1149256002.25537.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 08:02, Olle Niit wrote: > I say it again - FreeNX works very well. Always. No problems. I have 7 > icons to remote FreeNX servers to 5 different companies and schools and > no problems so far. The problem I have, and I think that others are reporting is that sessions don't always terminate or reconnect properly. That is, you randomly end up with sessions and agents still running on one or both ends even if you said to terminate and sessions that won't reconnect when you want them to. I've suspected that they are related to connecting from different machines and perhaps to having different display sizes on each. Do you always connect from the same client or can you alternate without problems? -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Jun 2 13:49:59 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:49:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NX works great . . . mostly! In-Reply-To: <1149256002.25537.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <20060601205952.CFBA673651@hormel.redhat.com> <447F8680.6000506@cox-internet.com> <448036F1.4060303@paalalinn.com> <1149256002.25537.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: Bottom line, NX is better than VNC, as long as you aren't connecting to a windows machine (you CAN connect FROM one just fine though, IIRC) From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 2 14:01:55 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NX works great . . . mostly! In-Reply-To: <1149256002.25537.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20060602140155.27491.qmail@web31612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anytime I've suspended an NX connection I've resumed it from the same computer. One time I didn't and the resume failed, leaving the NX sessions running on the server end. I think in that situation my attempt at resuming was using a different display size, too. IIRC, this is known problem with at least freenx, discussed fairly often on their discussion list. David Whitmer Media & Technology Director Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) ----- Original Message ---- From: Les Mikesell To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Friday, June 2, 2006 9:46:42 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] NX works great . . . mostly! On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 08:02, Olle Niit wrote: > I say it again - FreeNX works very well. Always. No problems. I have 7 > icons to remote FreeNX servers to 5 different companies and schools and > no problems so far. The problem I have, and I think that others are reporting is that sessions don't always terminate or reconnect properly. That is, you randomly end up with sessions and agents still running on one or both ends even if you said to terminate and sessions that won't reconnect when you want them to. I've suspected that they are related to connecting from different machines and perhaps to having different display sizes on each. Do you always connect from the same client or can you alternate without problems? -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From tom at pcc.com Fri Jun 2 14:12:23 2006 From: tom at pcc.com (Tom Astle) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:12:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP over a T1 wan connection Message-ID: <44804747.5060907@pcc.com> Hello: I ran in to a problem with a ltsp client booting where I had a remote site connected to a site via a point-to-point T1connection. The LTSP server is in the main site and the client machine in the remote. The T is split 50/50, so theoretically, I have 749Kb/sec to use. The remote client took nearly 20 minutes to boot. Not acceptable of course. I ended up setting up another ltsp server local to the remote site. The question still lingers: Why didn't this work? Thanks in advance. From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Jun 2 14:15:58 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:15:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP over a T1 wan connection Message-ID: <20060602071558.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.cff558ec93.wbe@email.secureserver.net> The bandwidth isn't enough to boot a thin client. For good performance you should have at least a 100Mb connection to the boot source. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP over a T1 wan connection > From: Tom Astle > Date: Fri, June 02, 2006 9:12 am > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Hello: > > I ran in to a problem with a ltsp client booting where I had a remote > site connected to a site via a point-to-point T1connection. > > The LTSP server is in the main site and the client machine in the > remote. The T is split > 50/50, so theoretically, I have 749Kb/sec to use. > > The remote client took nearly 20 minutes to boot. Not acceptable of course. > > I ended up setting up another ltsp server local to the remote site. The > question still > lingers: Why didn't this work? > > Thanks in advance. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Fri Jun 2 14:36:06 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:36:06 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP over a T1 wan connection Message-ID: <1149258966.5135.13.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Hello Tom, Did you try pinging the remote server,and seeing what kind of msec ping times you got? Also even though your t-1 is "split" possibly an firewall port blocking the tftp, or dhcp at one site or the other or both? I done the same scenario as you are doing here,,but i setup a vpn with openswan in between the two buildings and this worked out slick. We can boot to either K12LTSP or (dread) booting to the windows terminal server at the remote location as well. The bootup times at the client are almost identical to is the server was right there at the same site. There is some latency connecting trying to log in,, but once logged in the client respond same as server in the same building.I now have a dedicated server setup at that site, so to increase the client count. AT least with VPN, you have some diagnostics stuff built in, to at least give you a fighting chance of diagnosing, some wan probs. Just a thought. Another thing at a hard drive machine at the "remote location" you might try and do an and see if you are seeing enough ports open on your ltsp server to get your client to bootup correctly.At least dhcp,tftp,ssh. Take Care, Barry Cisna From jam at mcquil.com Fri Jun 2 14:58:04 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP over a T1 wan connection In-Reply-To: <44804747.5060907@pcc.com> References: <44804747.5060907@pcc.com> Message-ID: <56713.68.250.145.129.1149260284.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Fri, June 2, 2006 10:12 am, Tom Astle wrote: > Hello: > > I ran in to a problem with a ltsp client booting where I had a remote > site connected to a site via a point-to-point T1connection. > > The LTSP server is in the main site and the client machine in the > remote. The T is split > 50/50, so theoretically, I have 749Kb/sec to use. > > The remote client took nearly 20 minutes to boot. Not acceptable of > course. > > I ended up setting up another ltsp server local to the remote site. The > question still > lingers: Why didn't this work? To know why it doesn't first requires a brief explanation of how NFS sends packets over the wire. With most networks, the MTU is set to 1500 bytes. WIth NFS, the block size is something larger. The default for 2.4.x kernels was 8192 bytes, and the default with 2.6.x kernels is 32768 bytes. This means that the NFS blocks need to be split up into a bunch of 1500 byte pieces (actually a little smaller than that, due to overhead). So, take an 8k block, and it turns out that it has to be broken into 6 pieces. They are called "fragments". Each of those fragments needs to be sent across the wire, and acknowledged. Then, the fragments need to be re-assembled on the other side. In the case of a 2.6 kernel, the NFS block size is 32768. That splits into 22 fragments. This is usually not a problem on a nice fast 10mbit or 100mbit network. But, on a T-1, or even a broadband, it takes too long to get all of the fragments, so a 'fragment reassembly timeout' occurs. When this happens, it is a really bad thing, because it requires a complete retransmit of ALL of the fragments. I've done NFS across a T-1, but it was with an 8k blocksize, and we did occasionally see some fragmentation timeouts. I'd be surprised if anybody has done 32k blocks successfully on a T-1. The possible solution to this, is to reduce the size of the NFS blocks to something much more T-1 friendly, like maybe 2k or 4k. And/Or to use the TCP protocol unstead of UDP. Take a look at this wiki entry that pretty much explains the whole problem and offers the solution: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding Hope that helps, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > Thanks in advance. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Jun 2 14:40:48 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:40:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP over a T1 wan connection Message-ID: <20060602074048.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.3f10254e8c.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Barry, How do you get such great boot times while connecting over a 1.45Mb connection. I had to replace 10Mb hubs with a 100Mb switch just to get good boot times. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP over a T1 wan connection > From: Barry Cisna > Date: Fri, June 02, 2006 9:36 am > To: K12OSN > > Hello Tom, > > Did you try pinging the remote server,and seeing what kind of msec ping > times you got? Also even though your t-1 is "split" possibly an firewall > port blocking the tftp, or dhcp at one site or the other or both? > I done the same scenario as you are doing here,,but i setup a vpn with > openswan in between the two buildings and this worked out slick. We can > boot to either K12LTSP or (dread) booting to the windows terminal server > at the remote location as well. The bootup times at the client are > almost identical to is the server was right there at the same site. > There is some latency connecting trying to log in,, but once logged in > the client respond same as server in the same building.I now have a > dedicated server setup at that site, so to increase the client count. > AT least with VPN, you have some diagnostics stuff built in, to at least > give you a fighting chance of diagnosing, some wan probs. Just a > thought. > Another thing at a hard drive machine at the "remote location" you might > try and do an and see if you are seeing enough ports open on your > ltsp server to get your client to bootup correctly.At least > dhcp,tftp,ssh. > > Take Care, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ramonklown at pop.com.br Fri Jun 2 16:56:18 2006 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:56:18 -0300 (BRT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP over a T1 wan connection In-Reply-To: <1149258966.5135.13.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1149258966.5135.13.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <10042.200.222.204.213.1149267378.squirrel@popmail7.pop.com.br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Jun 2 18:38:54 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:38:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP over a T1 wan connection In-Reply-To: <44804747.5060907@pcc.com> References: <44804747.5060907@pcc.com> Message-ID: Bandwidth. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 2 Jun 2006, Tom Astle wrote: > Hello: > > I ran in to a problem with a ltsp client booting where I had a remote > site connected to a site via a point-to-point T1connection. > > The LTSP server is in the main site and the client machine in the > remote. The T is split > 50/50, so theoretically, I have 749Kb/sec to use. > > The remote client took nearly 20 minutes to boot. Not acceptable of course. > > I ended up setting up another ltsp server local to the remote site. The > question still > lingers: Why didn't this work? > > Thanks in advance. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Fri Jun 2 19:14:28 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:14:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Domain Users and USB keys Message-ID: <44808E14.8020809@saskforestcentre.ca> Hi, everyone. Has anyone else found that USB keys do not work with domain users when you integrate the K12LTSP server into the windows domain? I have my USB key working on a local user, but not on a domain user. It's a little confusing. I have the ltspfs_insecure service running, so I believe the issue probably lies elsewhere. Anyone? Angus Carr. From les at futuresource.com Fri Jun 2 19:59:04 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:59:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP over a T1 wan connection In-Reply-To: <10042.200.222.204.213.1149267378.squirrel@popmail7.pop.com.br> References: <1149258966.5135.13.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us> <10042.200.222.204.213.1149267378.squirrel@popmail7.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <1149278344.27950.54.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2006-06-02 at 13:56 -0300, Ramon wrote: > Well I think everyone someday thought about building a scenario with > k12 remotely doing a terminal service, I have rethinked about it and I > think it's just not worth it for now. Bandwidth hogging would even > make your remote server slower, I think maybe 20 years from now > internet links will get cheaper and it will be a good solution by > then, for now it's better off just making a server on each site and > making good use of the LTSP technology. For some small number of clients it should work to burn the bootable CD's from the thinstation or pxes projects and set them up to connect via xdm to your remote server. I think the pxes version also offers an nx client that would help with bandwidth if you can get freenx working reliably. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bigjeep95 at hotmail.com Fri Jun 2 19:53:21 2006 From: bigjeep95 at hotmail.com (Casey Mynott) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:53:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC and LTSP terminal client problem Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For those of you who dont' know, Open Admin is a school administration program that keeps track of student demographics, attendance, report cards, IEPs, daybook, gradebook, student/parent access to marks, etc. Check out http://richtech.ca/openadmin/about.html for a fuller desciption of all that it does. -Kevin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 3 02:04:11 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] VNC and LTSP terminal client problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060603020411.69899.qmail@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Casey, If nothing else, you should probably verify that your K12LTSP server's firewall is configured to allow incoming connections on port 5900. This wouldn't affect whether your thin clients boot, but does affect whether you can connect from the main network via any VNC variant. I installed FreeNX a while ago mainly because I was having a lot of trouble connecting to our school's server with UltraVNC, another VNC variant, over the Internet. I don't think I ever had the kind of problem you're describing, though. David Whitmer Media & Technology Director Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) ----- Original Message ---- From: Casey Mynott To: dwblue02 at yahoo.com; k12osn at redhat.com Sent: Friday, June 2, 2006 3:53:21 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] VNC and LTSP terminal client problem Hi David! Thanks for the reply. After setting up the K12LTSP server I tried connecting from my M$ box with realvnc via the ip address that the server is getting its internet connection. After that none of the clients would boot. Very odd. I will try FreeNX. Sounds awesome! Anyone else know why the clients would stop booting and just hang? Thanks! Casey From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 4 11:14:50 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] pre-school thru Kindergarten Message-ID: <20060604111450.90131.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm proposing K12LTSP to my son's preschool. They have infants through kindergarten at the school. Can anybody recommend specific packages that I might want to show off to them? Childsplay and Gcompris are definites, but I thought maybe some of you may have discovered some programs I haven't seen, buried in some obscure repository somewhere.... Thanks -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Sun Jun 4 15:21:05 2006 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:21:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] pre-school thru Kindergarten In-Reply-To: <20060604111450.90131.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060604111450.90131.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060604112105.5c35b996@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Rob Owens wrote: > I'm proposing K12LTSP to my son's preschool. They > have infants through kindergarten at the school. Can > anybody recommend specific packages that I might want > to show off to them? Childsplay and Gcompris are > definites, but I thought maybe some of you may have > discovered some programs I haven't seen, buried in > some obscure repository somewhere.... > > Thanks > > -Rob > My 2 youngest are pre-school kids (age 3 and 4), and I use LTSP here at home. The littlest ones have ICEWM with Child's Play, Frozen Bubble, Tux Paint and Firefox in the toolbar. They have no problem picking out which one they want to play. As for the Internet, I put together their own start page. You can see it at http://gentgeen.homelinux.org/kids.html I also did some things within ICEWM to make it easier to use Firefox (No minimize button for example). I would be happy to share the kids ~/.icewm/ folder for some of the other changes I did. ########################################## Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From opensource at whitenitro.com Sun Jun 4 16:45:30 2006 From: opensource at whitenitro.com (Bryant Patten) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:45:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Securing a K12LTSP box Message-ID: <1e14a35ac95ac0ebea62a0d815e96731@whitenitro.com> I have been asked by a couple of elementary schools to set up a K12LTSP demo. One server, 4 terminals - so that people at the school can try it out. Simple word processing, some image stuff and Internet access are the planned uses. Sound and thumb drive usability are particularly important. My question for the collective list is: After a vanilla, default-accepting install of K12LTSP (5.0 beta 7 is what I am currently exploring) onto a new server box, what should one do (if anything) to additionally secure or harden the box? Do people recommend running something like Tripwire or Bastille? I have done some reading about both of these but haven't yet tried using either and I didn't find anything in the LTSP wiki about either program. The wiki does offer the following warning - "Trying to run an LTSP service over a public network such as the internet without any security precautions is foolhardy in the extreme". I am beginning to teach myself about network security issues but do not yet have a sense of 'how much is enough' regarding hooking servers to the Internet. In this type of situation, I am often not sure about the security set up for the school's network. Phrases such as "...I'm not sure what we do about security - Joe set that up and he is gone now..." or "our consultant installed a Sonicwall but I don't anything about it..." are often used. I explain to people that this box will not function as a firewall but I would like to make it as secure as functionally possible against being taken over by evil doers in this ambiguously secured environment. Bryant Patten White Nitro, LLC From carl at snarlnet.com Mon Jun 5 00:46:22 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 17:46:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Ready made thin clients - which would you buy? Message-ID: <44837EDE.9090408@snarlnet.com> Hi List, I'm just wondering, some of these look very promising, but I'm not experienced to know which, if any, would work well with k12ltsp. http://search.ebay.com/thin-client_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8 Will any of the sub $100 ones work well? Thanks, ck From petre at maltzen.net Mon Jun 5 13:47:17 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:47:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Securing a K12LTSP box In-Reply-To: <1e14a35ac95ac0ebea62a0d815e96731@whitenitro.com> References: <1e14a35ac95ac0ebea62a0d815e96731@whitenitro.com> Message-ID: <448435E5.1010005@maltzen.net> I think a key piece, at least in terms of protecting the server from bad guys on the internet, is that you have a firewall--that is, a separate box--between the LTSP box and the internet. With the firewall, you can control what, if any, connections from the outside world can even get to the LTSP server. You might even consider using two firewalls to create a DMZ for any boxes that need to be accessible to the outside world. I suspect that most people don't allow any outside connections, as there isn't really any need; perhaps an opening for SSH so you can remotely admin, but I suggest doing this on a different port than 22 (the default) just to add a bit of 'security by obscurity' and mostly to keep your logs from filling up with failed attempts by script kiddies to login as Administrator, etc. Internal security is more a matter of protecting the server from curios/mischievous kids, which presents some different problems, which I'll leave to others. Petre Bryant Patten wrote: > I have been asked by a couple of elementary schools to set up a K12LTSP > demo. One server, 4 terminals - so that people at the school can try it > out. Simple word processing, some image stuff and Internet access are > the planned uses. Sound and thumb drive usability are particularly > important. > > My question for the collective list is: > > After a vanilla, default-accepting install of K12LTSP (5.0 beta > 7 is what I am currently exploring) onto a new server box, what should > one do (if anything) to additionally secure or harden the box? > > Do people recommend running something like Tripwire or Bastille? I have > done some reading about both of these but haven't yet tried using either > and I didn't find anything in the LTSP wiki about either program. The > wiki does offer the following warning - "Trying to run an LTSP service > over a public network such as the internet without any security > precautions is foolhardy in the extreme". I am beginning to teach > myself about network security issues but do not yet have a sense of 'how > much is enough' regarding hooking servers to the Internet. > > In this type of situation, I am often not sure about the security set up > for the school's network. Phrases such as "...I'm not sure what we do > about security - Joe set that up and he is gone now..." or "our > consultant installed a Sonicwall but I don't anything about it..." are > often used. I explain to people that this box will not function as a > firewall but I would like to make it as secure as functionally possible > against being taken over by evil doers in this ambiguously secured > environment. > > Bryant Patten > White Nitro, LLC > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Jun 5 14:06:37 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 10:06:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Macintels and CEU's at NELS! More info... Message-ID: Hello everyone! This email is to update everyone on what?s happening at NELS in less than two weeks! We have a couple new things to announce Wanna? get your hands on a new MacBook Pro?s (with the Intel processor) or the 17? iMac (also with the Intel processor) .we?ll have some at the Gould Academy NELS .and also a whole lab full at the UNH NELS! Special thanks go to Daryl Hawes and Apple Computer for donating the use of and letting us play with their computers! So what does this mean? It means that we can play and experiment with running Mac OS X, Windows, and Linux all on the same machine! Imagine walking into a classroom or office where the user/student/teacher has a choice of what operating system to work with! Pretty cool I can?t wait to play with them myself! Second and perhaps more important to some we are once again offering CEU?s for attending NELS (Gould Academy). Details are below CEUs Via University of Southern Maine Course approval pending (but very likely) 2.5 CEUs for the Gould program. Fee approximately $10 Thanks go out to Jerry Holt and SAD 61 for putting this together again for us this year. So this is a great way for teachers and others who are looking for some credits to apply toward recertification etc. (it?s a great way to knock off a lot of credits/contact hours and enjoy it at the same time!) Many of the things that have been discussed on the various lists I subscribe to .the conferences I?ve attended and presented at as well as in private conversations with many of you .are being covered at NELS. Simple servers, DHCP, K12LTSP, DansGuardian internet content filtering, integration/authentication in a Windows network .and much more! Wanna? learn more! Join us! For those of you who?ve asked how can you integrate Linux in a Windows network such as Active Directory? No problem! We?ll not only show you how to do it yourself, but we will also have a couple sponsors present whose products are essentially ?drop-in? solutions for Linux in a Windows network! The new Ubuntu Linux and Edubuntu (education version of Ubuntu) have just been released! We?ll get a great first-hand look at these at NELS along with a chance to meet with some folks who?ve been intimately involved in development! We have a lot of returning folks this year, but we also have more new faces than ever before! This is shaping up to be a fantastic conference .we hope you?ll be able to join us! For more information and to register visit [ http://www.nelinux.net ]http://www.nelinux.net PS we are now able to accept credit cards to make it easier for you to register (also easy for those of you using the ACTEM professional development funds reimbursement route www.actem.org) .just register online and then drop me an email and I?ll help you with the payment part. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Jun 5 15:10:44 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:10:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Northeast Linux Symposium at UNH - July 16th-19th Message-ID: Much of what I have sent the past few weeks has been focused on the Northeast Linux Symposium at Gould Academy (June 17th-20th). Now that the Gould NELS is almost upon us, it is time to turn some of that focus toward the next NELS which will be held at the University of New Hampshire (July 16th-19th). The UNH NELS is a little different than the one at Gould. First it?s later in the summer which may be more convenient for some .it?s more focused on Technology Coordinators System Administrators .Network Admins vendors .School Administrators company IT folks .technicians computer teachers . as well as Linux newbies who fit in any of the roles mentioned above. To register for the UNH Northeast Linux Symposium....please visit our web site at http://www.nelinux.net and click on "NELS Registration for University of New Hampshire" (top right side of page) UNH is handling the registrations and accepts all kinds of payment...PO's, credit card, and checks. Great rooms...great meals....great conference....all included for one fee! UNH: Focus on system administrators etc. UNH is going to extend into more technical depth than we've been able to attain at Gould in the past. We've already lined up an entire intro-to-programming track that will take a total newbie through shell-scripting and into some Python programming over the course of three days -- it will be intense, but intentionally practical for overworked system administrators who want to make their lives easier through intelligent automation of some system administration tasks. Tips, Tricks, and Windows network integration! Learn a lot of tips and tricks to make system management a LOT easier. Scripting, automation, backup and much more! See open source development in action! Many of the things that have been discussed on the various lists I subscribe to .the conferences I?ve attended and presented at as well as in private conversations with many of you .are being covered at NELS. Simple servers, DHCP, DansGuardian internet content filtering, integration/authentication in a Windows network .and much more! Wanna? learn more! Join us! For those of you who?ve asked how can you integrate Linux in a Windows network such as Active Directory? No problem! We?ll not only show you how to do it yourself, but we will also have a couple sponsors present whose products are essentially ?drop-in? solutions for Linux in a Windows network! Much more! Install a Moodle server .learn BASH command line tricks .Python programming .Linux disaster recovery .Samba/LDAP .and a whole lot more! The new Ubuntu Linux and Edubuntu (education version of Ubuntu) have just been released! We?ll get a great first-hand look at these at NELS along with a chance to meet with some folks who?ve been intimately involved in development! We?ll meet some folks who are behind the Fedora project as well! Get your hands dirty on the new Macs with Intel processors! Apple computer is donating the use of a lab full of new iMacs with Intel processors so we can play with them! Imagine offering your users their choice of operating system! Windows, OS X, and Linux all on one machine! UNH: SchoolTool development sprint! Tom Hoffman, SchoolTool project manager, invites you to meet the SchoolTool developers and critique and contribute to the SchoolTool student information system at the NorthEast Linux Symposium in Durham, NH! This year at NELS NH, the SchoolTool will undertake a development sprint, "a time-boxed period of software development focused on a given list of goals.". The first morning of the conference, the developers will present SchoolTool, walk you through a hands-on installation of SchoolTool on your own server, and in collaboration with you, set goals for the next two and a half days of the programming sprint. For the rest of the symposium they'll attempt to implement your ideas while you attend sessions and mingle with folks who are busy making Linux and Free, Open Source Software happen in the Northeast! At the conclusion of the symposium, the results of the sprint will be presented for further feedback. Persons interested in participating in the SchoolTool sprint as developers should contact Tom Hoffman at [ mailto:hoffman at schooltool.org ]hoffman at schooltool.org. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Mon Jun 5 15:10:06 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:10:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Auth Guide Updated Message-ID: <200606051551.k55FpRCb000701@mx1.redhat.com> All, The K12LTSP Authentication against a Windows 2003 Active Directory Server has been updated and can be viewed by going to: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Documentation The update fixed typo errors. Soon to be released: Ubuntu Authentication against Windows 2003 Active Directory Server Thanks to all who have given feedback! -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Director of Information Technology Epping School District P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jack Sparrow: "It's remarkable how often those two traits coincide." District Technician - Linux Support Computer/Network Technician Gresham-Barlow School District -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robert.pogson at gmail.com Mon Jun 5 17:26:38 2006 From: robert.pogson at gmail.com (pogson) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:26:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 28, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <20060605160017.83DAB732A3@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060605160017.83DAB732A3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1149528398.15218.39.camel@beast> It is possible to set up a firewall right on the LTSP server. I routinely use a 100 mb/s NIC to connect to the ISP, and a gigabit/s NIC to connect to the switch on the LTSP LAN. You could install a third NIC to connect to the rest of the school running other OS's to give them more freedom. You can back up the firewall with dansguardian. I put squid, dansguardian, local apache, php, mysql, dhcpd, local BIND, on the server. Having many of these services on the server is faster and simpler to configure. There is slightly more security in having a separate firewall/filter, but it has not been necessary in my experience. I have mostly worked in smaller schools. The bigger the cost of a failure, the more paranoia pays. My server has run for months in systems where that other OS needed protection from a Linux firewall and still my system was ten times more reliable. > I think a key piece, at least in terms of protecting the server from > bad guys on the > internet, is that you have a firewall--that is, a separate > box--between the LTSP box and > the internet. With the firewall, you can control what, if any, > connections from the > outside world can even get to the LTSP server. -- A problem is an opportunity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Jun 5 18:24:39 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:24:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OS X LDAP & Linux Clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you are using the later OS X servers....Panther or more desirably...Tiger....you can use NFS to mount the /home dirs. Easy to do and transparent to the user. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, June 05, 2006 at 12:28 PM +0000 wrote: >I know this has been discussed here before, but I was curious to know if >anyone can refer me to some of the archives or possibly some good >articles on integrating an LDAP directory residing on a MacOS X Server >with Linux clients (auto mounting home directories is the most important >part). I am going to tackle this as a project this summer in my District >and will be working with the District's OS X Admin to facilitate the >process. The idea is to have our students be able to access their home >directories residing on the District XServes from my Linux TC labs >without "manually" mounting the server via a GUI Samba client as they can >right now. > >Thanks, > > >Mike Picone > >Will Turner: "This is either madness... or brilliance." >Capt. Jack Sparrow: "It's remarkable how often those two traits >coincide." > >District Technician - Linux Support >Computer/Network Technician >Gresham-Barlow School District > > > > > > _______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Jun 5 18:42:30 2006 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:42:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OS X LDAP & Linux Clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:24 PM, David Trask wrote: > If you are using the later OS X servers....Panther or more > desirably...Tiger....you can use NFS to mount the /home dirs. > Easy to do > and transparent to the user. Is this the case if I move my account information to the OSX Server machine? (right now I do use NFS to mount the /home directories) I want to move away from NIS, and use the OSX server's LDAP server to manage accounts... Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Jun 5 20:09:04 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:09:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OS X LDAP & Linux Clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Essentially yes....you would just tell the K12LTSP server (via authconfig) to authenticate to the OS X server....there should and would be no users on the K12LTSP machine. /home is left empty and you simply use it as a mount point for home from the OS X server "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, June 05, 2006 at 2:42 PM +0000 wrote: >On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:24 PM, David Trask wrote: >> If you are using the later OS X servers....Panther or more >> desirably...Tiger....you can use NFS to mount the /home dirs. >> Easy to do >> and transparent to the user. > >Is this the case if I move my account information to the OSX Server >machine? (right now I do use NFS to mount the /home directories) > >I want to move away from NIS, and use the OSX server's LDAP server to >manage accounts... > >Thanks, >-Shawn > > >-- >Shawn Powers >Technology Director >Inland Lakes Schools >PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 >FAX: 509-356-7024 >spowers at inlandlakes.org >Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org >Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com > >---- >The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, >sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, >cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, >OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, >or anything else I might infer are not the >views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything >I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be >considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From ramonklown at pop.com.br Sun Jun 4 11:57:58 2006 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 08:57:58 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP over a T1 wan connection In-Reply-To: <1149278344.27950.54.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1149258966.5135.13.camel@hi1.wc235.k12.il.us><10042.200.222.204.213.1149267378.squirrel@popmail7.pop.com.br> <1149278344.27950.54.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <32981.201.79.52.215.1149422278.squirrel@popmail9.pop.com.br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca Mon Jun 5 20:22:49 2006 From: onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca (Onatawahtaw) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolTool vs. Open Admin / Communication with Moodle? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060605202249.15293.qmail@web30514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings, Those who know me, know I am an avid supporter of Open Admin for Schools (richtech.ca/openadmin). I have recently been hearing about SchoolTool (schooltool.org) on this list. From what I've read, SchoolTool is starting to work towards many of the same features that Open Admin has. While I realize that SchoolTool is still in its early stages, does anyone know of any features that it will have that Open Admin doesn't have? Also, as a side question, has anyone heard of combining one of these two Student Information Systems with Moodle? Or does anyone know of other school administration software that does? Both OpenAdmin and SchoolTool have a gradebook (though I haven't been able to find SchoolTool's Gradebook - probably because it's still in its alpha stage). It would make life so much easier to interface one or both of them with Moodle. God bless, -Kevin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Mon Jun 5 20:52:56 2006 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:52:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolTool vs. Open Admin / Communication with Moodle? In-Reply-To: <20060605202249.15293.qmail@web30514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060605202249.15293.qmail@web30514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <92de6c880606051352x11b12884yd9a762924fe56612@mail.gmail.com> On 6/5/06, Onatawahtaw wrote: > Greetings, > > Those who know me, know I am an avid supporter of Open > Admin for Schools (richtech.ca/openadmin). I have > recently been hearing about SchoolTool > (schooltool.org) on this list. From what I've read, > SchoolTool is starting to work towards many of the > same features that Open Admin has. While I realize > that SchoolTool is still in its early stages, does > anyone know of any features that it will have that > Open Admin doesn't have? Hm... I'm probably the only person who could potentially answer that question from the SchoolTool side, but I don't know enough about Open Admin. If you have questions about specific features and where they fit into the SchoolTool roadmap, I'd be happy to answer them. > Also, as a side question, has anyone heard of > combining one of these two Student Information Systems > with Moodle? Or does anyone know of other school > administration software that does? Both OpenAdmin and > SchoolTool have a gradebook (though I haven't been > able to find SchoolTool's Gradebook - probably because > it's still in its alpha stage). It would make life so > much easier to interface one or both of them with > Moodle. Yes... our new features are somewhat hidden still... Integrating with other systems, and Moodle in particular, will become a big priority over the next year. In particular, we'd like to see Edubuntu become a more integrated system. I'm going to be pitching the Edubuntu folks to do this via SIF. Matt Jezorek and I have started doing some work on SIF agents in Python and PHP over at http://sifsoft.com Moodle is implementing the IMS Enterprise standard for passing class rosters back and forth. I don't know if or when that will be supported for grades. Tom Hoffman SchoolTool Project Manager From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 5 21:43:29 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] pre-school thru Kindergarten In-Reply-To: <20060604112105.5c35b996@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060605214329.53010.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Gentgeen wrote: > On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:14:50 -0700 (PDT) > Rob Owens wrote: > > > I'm proposing K12LTSP to my son's preschool. They > > have infants through kindergarten at the school. > Can > > anybody recommend specific packages that I might > want > > to show off to them? Childsplay and Gcompris are > > definites, but I thought maybe some of you may > have > > discovered some programs I haven't seen, buried in > > some obscure repository somewhere.... > > > > Thanks > > > > -Rob > > > > My 2 youngest are pre-school kids (age 3 and 4), and > I use LTSP here at > home. The littlest ones have ICEWM with Child's > Play, Frozen Bubble, > Tux Paint and Firefox in the toolbar. They have no > problem picking out > which one they want to play. As for the Internet, I > put together their > own start page. You can see it at > http://gentgeen.homelinux.org/kids.html I also did > some things within > ICEWM to make it easier to use Firefox (No minimize > button for example). > I would be happy to share the kids ~/.icewm/ > folder for some of the > other changes I did. Thanks a lot for that homepage. Could you send me the ~/.icewm/ folder, too? -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From phanh at canby.k12.or.us Mon Jun 5 23:52:07 2006 From: phanh at canby.k12.or.us (Hung Phan) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:52:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 client booting fails Message-ID: I'm using K12LTSP 4.4.1 (Fedora Core 4) with Neoware C50 thin client. The server obtain IP through DHCP (and it works) and serve out through eth2 (because eth0 inboard is dead, it is Intel Pro 100 eepro100 card) The client cannot boot, it keep running tftp......until it timeout. When the client boots, I run tail -f /var/log/messages. It shows the client obtain an IP, and eventually timeout with PXE. Check tftpd, it's running. Check xinetd.d/tftp, nothing changes in the file. When I check the default kernel at /tftpboot/lts/pxe, it doesn't exist. Only the kernel with options compiled 2.4.9-1-kitchen-sink I know the thin client works because we test it with different server before. Can anyone offers some advices, please? From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Tue Jun 6 02:18:53 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:18:53 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 client booting fails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1149560333.4611.148.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 16:52 -0700, Hung Phan wrote: > I'm using K12LTSP 4.4.1 (Fedora Core 4) with Neoware C50 thin client. > The server obtain IP through DHCP (and it works) and serve out > through eth2 (because eth0 inboard is dead, it is Intel Pro 100 > eepro100 card) > > The client cannot boot, it keep running tftp......until it timeout. > When the client boots, I run tail -f /var/log/messages. It shows the > client obtain an IP, and eventually timeout with PXE. > > Check tftpd, it's running. Check xinetd.d/tftp, nothing changes in > the file. > > When I check the default kernel at /tftpboot/lts/pxe, it doesn't > exist. Only the kernel with options compiled 2.4.9-1-kitchen-sink > > I know the thin client works because we test it with different server > before. > > Can anyone offers some advices, please? I had the same problem with PXE clients that I posted to this list last week. Several replies came back but didn't allow me to solve it. In the end it turned out to be a flaw in the install process (if you're reading this, Eric?) that I finally stumbled on, broke through and now have my system running with both PXE clients and floppy-boot clients. I don't mean I solved it in any clever way, I just chose my install options differently :-) Download the LTSP documentation, it contains many useful trouble-shooting instructions. Some things to look for: 1/ Look closely at all your most important services, dhcp, tftp, etc. You may find some of them not running, I certainly did on my server. 2/ Look at the IP address given to your NIC that connects to your clients. It should be IP: 192.168.0.254 mask: 255.255.255.0. It must have this address locked in, and eth0 must start when you boot your server. Mine kept failing and not finding its IP address. 3/ Look at your network devices status by running 'system-config-network' as superuser from a terminal, or select 'network device control' from your 'system tools' menu. Examine your NIC properties and check that it stays activated for your clients. Mine kept dropping back to 'inactive' whenever I booted a client after my manual configurations and restarting xinetd. 4/ In the same dialogue box, check the 'hosts' associated with your NIC. It should be populated with lots of ws001, ws002, etc. Mine was completely empty. I tried installing 4.4.1 many times on my server without success on any of the points above. I also configured services manually after bootup. I didn't know enough to do it thoroughly, so it never worked. This was a shock to me because when I used earlier versions of K12LTSP everything just worked, even though I didn't know Linux at the time and certainly didn't know how to configure networking services. This time around, I finally got my system working by choosing to install ONLY the default settings. That is, when I had installed 'everything' or made extensive package selections, making sure to include LTSP, my server would end up not working for my clients. The only way I finally cracked it was to choose the default 'LTSP' install option and not change any other package choices that came with that (save substituting KDE for Gnome). Now, everything works just fine, phew. If other people are having similar problems (?) maybe the installer scripts need a little look, Eric (if you're reading)? I HTH, Hung. Post a followup if it does. Gavin. From mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi Tue Jun 6 02:45:26 2006 From: mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 05:45:26 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 client booting fails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060606054526.apdkoasyt5us4oo4@webmail.edu.vantaa.fi> I don't understand (very much) about pxe-booting, but for some reason I have had this same problem with two 4.4.1 servers (home and work): after installing webmin and after manipulating users with it, pxe-booting fails. (I noticed the problem with my home server just a few days a go, because I mainly use pcmcia-clients at home, which are booting with wireless_ltsp, so not getting kernel from the server. Don't know what or why, only the symptoms. And that I have to study my Linux. Until now I have been able to use K12LTSP without really knowing anything.) Mikko Jordman Headmaster on Kartanonkoski Comprehensive School Vantaa Finland Lainaus Hung Phan : > I'm using K12LTSP 4.4.1 (Fedora Core 4) with Neoware C50 thin client. > The server obtain IP through DHCP (and it works) and serve out > through eth2 (because eth0 inboard is dead, it is Intel Pro 100 > eepro100 card) > > The client cannot boot, it keep running tftp......until it timeout. > When the client boots, I run tail -f /var/log/messages. It shows the > client obtain an IP, and eventually timeout with PXE. > > Check tftpd, it's running. Check xinetd.d/tftp, nothing changes in the file. > > When I check the default kernel at /tftpboot/lts/pxe, it doesn't > exist. Only the kernel with options compiled 2.4.9-1-kitchen-sink > > I know the thin client works because we test it with different server > before. > > Can anyone offers some advices, please? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dalen at czexan.net Tue Jun 6 03:50:17 2006 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:50:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] cd*.iso -> dvd.iso howto Message-ID: <4484FB79.7050102@czexan.net> I recall some people on this list (including myself) who wanted to create a dvd from k12ltsp cd images. After some googling, I found the script below which makes this a painless process. ftp://people.redhat.com/ckloiber/mkdvdiso.sh It works as follows. mkdvdiso.sh /path2cd_isos/ dvdname.iso From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Jun 6 05:06:28 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:06:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Ready made thin clients - which would you buy? Message-ID: <20060605220628.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.c8b7f81671.wbe@email.secureserver.net> I know that the HP T5515 work great. I have many of them working in our schools. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] Ready made thin clients - which would you buy? > From: Carl Keil > Date: Sun, June 04, 2006 7:46 pm > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Hi List, > > I'm just wondering, some of these look very promising, but I'm not > experienced to know which, if any, would work well with k12ltsp. > > http://search.ebay.com/thin-client_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8 > > Will any of the sub $100 ones work well? > > Thanks, > > ck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bigjeep95 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 6 18:27:22 2006 From: bigjeep95 at hotmail.com (Casey Mynott) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:27:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC and terminals not working update Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jun 6 21:06:23 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:06:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC and terminals not working update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4485EE4F.3090608@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Casey Mynott wrote: > Hey all > > Okay, so not really knowing what the problem was I did a fresh install of > K12LTSP FC5. Tested all the terminals. All working awesome. Connected via VNC > and now the terminals won't boot. Something is very wrong. Anywho, just thought > I would pass on this update. Thanks to all those that replied to the last post. Connecting via VNC does not affect DHCP, TFTP, & NFS, the three key services required to boot a terminal. VNC itself has to be a red herring. The only things I can think of is if xinetd or the firewall were modified while trying to muck around with the VNC service. Any chance you tried enabling/disabling services, changed the firewall, or do anything else that required root privileges? I saw in an earlier post you had a link to a screen capture. It appears that the TFTP transfer partially completes before it hangs. Whenever I've seen this, I've always traced it back to a bad cable or a bad switch. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jun 6 22:50:56 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:50:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 client booting fails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <448606D0.2060506@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Hung Phan wrote: > I'm using K12LTSP 4.4.1 (Fedora Core 4) with Neoware C50 thin client. > The server obtain IP through DHCP (and it works) and serve out through > eth2 (because eth0 inboard is dead, it is Intel Pro 100 eepro100 card) > > The client cannot boot, it keep running tftp......until it timeout. When > the client boots, I run tail -f /var/log/messages. It shows the client > obtain an IP, and eventually timeout with PXE. > > Check tftpd, it's running. Check xinetd.d/tftp, nothing changes in the > file. > > When I check the default kernel at /tftpboot/lts/pxe, it doesn't exist. > Only the kernel with options compiled 2.4.9-1-kitchen-sink The terminal kernels are in the ltsp_i386-kernel package. You can verify that this package is installed with this command: rpm -q ltsp_i386-kernel If it is not installed, here is how to do so: yum install ltsp_i386-kernel If it is installed, this command will verify it is installed properly (it only displays errors, no output means it is ok) rpm -V ltsp_i386-kernel > I know the thin client works because we test it with different server > before. > > Can anyone offers some advices, please? > If you are using a stock K12LTSP installation with two network cards, eth0 has the IP address 192.168.0.254 to run the terminals and eth1 (or eth2 in your case) connections to the local area network, then I would recommend running the configuration script and rebooting: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize That does not work, or you are running a non-default network configuration, here is the LTSP trouble-shooting guide: http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1-en.html#AEN788 -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jun 6 23:01:13 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:01:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 client booting fails In-Reply-To: <1149560333.4611.148.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1149560333.4611.148.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44860939.9020503@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Gavin Chester wrote: > > I tried installing 4.4.1 many times on my server without success on any > of the points above. I also configured services manually after bootup. > I didn't know enough to do it thoroughly, so it never worked. This was > a shock to me because when I used earlier versions of K12LTSP everything > just worked, even though I didn't know Linux at the time and certainly > didn't know how to configure networking services. > > This time around, I finally got my system working by choosing to install > ONLY the default settings. That is, when I had installed 'everything' > or made extensive package selections, making sure to include LTSP, my > server would end up not working for my clients. The only way I finally > cracked it was to choose the default 'LTSP' install option and not > change any other package choices that came with that (save substituting > KDE for Gnome). Now, everything works just fine, phew. > > If other people are having similar problems (?) maybe the installer > scripts need a little look, Eric (if you're reading)? > > I HTH, Hung. Post a followup if it does. > > Gavin. > If I am reading this correctly, when you had problems you selected a normal (Fedora option) install and clicked on the "Customize" packages and added the K12LTSP packages? If this is correct, that is the issue you are having. The "K12LTSP" option automatically runs the LTSP configuration scripts at the end of the install, the "Fedora" option does not even if you pick a custom install and select the K12LTSP packages. This actually can work, but you have to 1) make sure you have the network and firewall configured correctly (the K12LTSP install option does this by default) and 2) you run this script after the install has completed: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize If you pick the "K12LTSP" install option, you can customize the package select as much as you want and still have the terminals auto-magically boot. -Eric From drloomis at cox-internet.com Tue Jun 6 23:33:52 2006 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Dr. Daniel Loomis) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 18:33:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NX works great . . . mostly! Message-ID: <448610E0.3050405@cox-internet.com> After some more fiddling with nx I found that iptables is blocking connections to my server at work when attempting to access from home. The server is behind a fortigate firewall. The server is running K12LTSP 4.1 (Fedora 3) with iptables running as a second layer of security. I have port 22 opened and can log into the server from home using pub/private-key. When I try to access it with nxclient it logs in ok, authenticates, but then times out without ever negotiating an X-connection. If I turn iptables off on the server (using a remote ssh console), I can make the connection just fine. I configured nx to use port 22 in /etc/nxserver/node.conf, but evidently it is still being blocked by iptables. I am using ssl to encrypt the connection over the Internet, which works fine so long as iptables is turned off. What setting do I need to add to iptables to allow nx traffic to pass through? Dan From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 7 00:48:44 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] yum update broke my 5.0.0 Message-ID: <20060607004844.43889.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I did a yum update on K12LTSP 5.0.0 and my system is hosed! One of the bootup messages I get is something like "libpam.so.O cannot open shared object"... What's the easiest way to fix my system? I googled and tried rpm -Uhv --rollback 'june 5' and it seemed to do something, but didn't fix my problem. (My machine is dual-boot, and I used the chroot command from my good system to try this command). I cannot log in through GDM, ssh, or a shell. Any help would be appreciated. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed Jun 7 02:56:58 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:56:58 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 client booting fails In-Reply-To: <44860939.9020503@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1149560333.4611.148.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44860939.9020503@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1149649018.3583.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 16:01 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > Gavin Chester wrote: -snip- > > > > This time around, I finally got my system working by choosing to install > > ONLY the default settings. That is, when I had installed 'everything' > > or made extensive package selections, making sure to include LTSP, my > > server would end up not working for my clients. The only way I finally > > cracked it was to choose the default 'LTSP' install option and not > > change any other package choices that came with that (save substituting > > KDE for Gnome). Now, everything works just fine, phew. > > > > If other people are having similar problems (?) maybe the installer > > scripts need a little look, Eric (if you're reading)? > > > > I HTH, Hung. Post a followup if it does. > > > > Gavin. > > > > If I am reading this correctly, when you had problems you selected a > normal (Fedora option) install and clicked on the "Customize" packages > and added the K12LTSP packages? > > If this is correct, that is the issue you are having. The "K12LTSP" > option automatically runs the LTSP configuration scripts at the end of > the install, the "Fedora" option does not even if you pick a custom > install and select the K12LTSP packages. This actually can work, but you > have to 1) make sure you have the network and firewall configured > correctly (the K12LTSP install option does this by default) and 2) you > run this script after the install has completed: > > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize > > > > If you pick the "K12LTSP" install option, you can customize the package > select as much as you want and still have the terminals auto-magically boot. Your understanding of the problem I stated was _largely_ correct, Eric but the way I caused the install to fail was too simple for my comfort. I had been lulled, by previous versions that I had installed, into expecting K12LTSP to automagically work whatever options I chose - as long as I chose an LTSP system instead of any other Fedora install option. This time around with 4.4.1, I produced two types of failures: 1/ I broke a successful install by adding new packages. I suspect trouble arose because of an unsuccessful install of the NVidia kernel module, but I have no proof. 2/ When re-installing several more times, I again chose an LTSP system, but somehow caused it fail (as an LTSP system) by choosing to 'customise' my package selection. I tried manually configuring services, following the LTSP documentation, but didn't succeed. After much frustration, I only succeeded by reinstalling with the LTSP 'default' and did NOT touch a single thing with regards selecting other packages to install. I knew about the 'initialize' script from having used earlier versions K12LTSP, but didn't/couldn't find reference to it anymore so didn't think, or remember, how to try running it after my unsuccessful installs. Perhaps a feature request, if I could be so bold of your hard-pressed time: After installing, a script runs at first boot to see if the K12LTSP packages were chosen. If they were, then a check is run to see if the services were enabled and running correctly. If they are, a dialogue pops up and says something like "Congratulations on installing K12LTSP yada, yada ..." If the required services are NOT running, then the dialogue instead says something like "You have chosen K12LTSP as your install option, yet the system is not running correctly. Would you like to initialize your server to enable client access?", and then run the initialization script if 'yes'. I guess I envisage a system check like possible with the LTSP status report. I know that's easy for me to ask, and MUCH harder to implement. But, boy, I would have more hair left from the past two-weeks frustration if such a thing was part of the install :-) Thanks, an older and wiser Gavin. From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed Jun 7 03:54:03 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 11:54:03 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP rpms for LTSP install Message-ID: <1149652443.28988.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm on dialup and downloads are _very_ slow, so I was wondering if I can use the k12-modified rpms of LTSP (supplied with v. 4.4.1 K12) to install LTSP on SuSE, as if I had the LTSP packages newly downloaded? I have just got hold of a copy of SuSE 10.1 and was wanting to play with installing LTSP on top of it. Yes, I am asking on the right list, I hope ;-). Gavin. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jun 7 04:07:57 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 21:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] yum update broke my 5.0.0 In-Reply-To: <20060607004844.43889.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060607004844.43889.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Rob Owens wrote: > I did a yum update on K12LTSP 5.0.0 and my system is > hosed! One of the bootup messages I get is something > like "libpam.so.O cannot open shared object"... > > What's the easiest way to fix my system? I googled > and tried rpm -Uhv --rollback 'june 5' and it seemed > to do something, but didn't fix my problem. (My > machine is dual-boot, and I used the chroot command > from my good system to try this command). > > I cannot log in through GDM, ssh, or a shell. Any > help would be appreciated. > > -Rob The pam (Pluggable Authentication Modules) package was recently updated, given your errors that is a good place to start ;-) There are two possible causes come to mind: 1) the post-install script failed or 2) the package failed mid-installation. The way a package upgrade works is that the new package is installed, then the old package is removed. If the update failed mid-process (#2), the old libraries should be there and everything should still work. So I'm guessing that the post-install script (#1) is the problem. So lets see if I guessed correctly... (NOTE: I assume that you are using the 32bit version, if you have the 64bit version installed these instructions will have to be modified slightly - let us know if that is the case) 1) boot up on your working partition, mount the broken partition (but don't do the chroot yet!). Let's use /mnt/broken for this example 2) cd to the new mount point cd /mnt/broken 3) fetch a copy of the latest pam package, just in case we need to reinstall it later. You can get this from any Fedora updates mirror, for simplicitie's sake here is a direct link to the K12LTSP mirror: wget ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/5.0.0-32bit/updates/pam-0.99.4.0-fc5.4.i386.rpm 4) now chroot to your broken partition (chroot /mnt/broken) 5) check to see if the pam libraries are there, the out put should look exactly like this: # ls -l /lib/libpam* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Jun 6 20:46 /lib/libpamc.so.0 -> libpamc.so.0.81.0* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10052 May 24 06:26 /lib/libpamc.so.0.81.0* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Jun 6 20:46 /lib/libpam_misc.so.0 -> libpam_misc.so.0.81.2* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8952 May 24 06:26 /lib/libpam_misc.so.0.81.2* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Jun 6 20:46 /lib/libpam.so.0 -> libpam.so.0.81.3* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 48056 May 24 06:26 /lib/libpam.so.0.81.3* The really import files are /lib/libpamc.so.0.81.0, /lib/libpam_misc.so.0.81.2, and /lib/libpam.so.0.81.3. If those are there, all you will probably need to do is run ldconfig. If not, we'll need to reinstall the pam package. If the /lib/libpam*.so.0.81.* files exist: 1) run: ldconfig 2) double-check that the symlinks are now correct by running ls again: ls -l /lib/libpam* 3) if it looks right now, you should be able to reboot and be back in business If the /lib/libpam*.so.0.81.* files DO NOT exist: 1a) run: (reinstall the pam package you downloaded earlier) rpm -Uhv /pam-0.99.4.0-fc5.4.i386.rpm 1b) if that bombs out with an error, run this instead: cd / rpm2cpio /pam-0.99.4.0-fc5.4.i386.rpm | cpio -id 2) tell the system to go check for new libraries: ldconfig 3) and double-check that the symlinks are now correct by running ls again: ls -l /lib/libpam* 4) if it looks right now, you should be able to reboot and be back in business Finally, once all is working, double-check that the RPM database has the right information. Run this command: rpm -V pam It should either run without output, or a single line that looks like this: S.5....T. c /etc/pam.d/system-auth If it says that the package is not installed or lists a whole bunch of lines, let us know and we'll jump through a few more hoops... -Eric From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed Jun 7 04:12:51 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:12:51 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] frozen-bubble crash Message-ID: <1149653571.28988.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> My kids love frozen-bubble, and so do I (since I hold the highest level achieved in our house). It powers along on the server, but when run on a client it will semi-crash and drop from full screen to windowed and become less responsive. In the past I had blamed this on my low-spec server and client hardware, but it still happens with my newer, much more powerful system. SPECS: Server - dual 2.66 Xeon 2Gb RAM, U320 SCSI, video dual-head NVidia 128Mb. Clients - PII 400MHz, 128Mb RAM, Intel AGP 16Mb video. Network - 100Mb full duplex with switch Anyone experience similar problems with this highly important app? ;-) I wouldn't have thought there was need to look at using a gig switch because this happens with just one client active. Gavin From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Jun 7 04:48:54 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 21:48:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Volunteers Still Needed for Open Source Lab at NECC 2006 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We're still looking for some more volunteers to help with the Open Source Lab at NECC 2006, July 5 - 7 in San Diego. Those who volunteer get free entrance to the show and exhibit hall (you have to register regularly to attend any sessions outside the Open Source Lab, however). Students who volunteer get lunch each day! Information about the Open Source Lab is at http://necc2006.pbwiki.com. 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URL: From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed Jun 7 10:38:41 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 18:38:41 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] frozen-bubble crash In-Reply-To: <1149653571.28988.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1149653571.28988.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1149676721.28988.54.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 12:12 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > My kids love frozen-bubble, and so do I (since I hold the highest level > achieved in our house). It powers along on the server, but when run on > a client it will semi-crash and drop from full screen to windowed and > become less responsive. In the past I had blamed this on my low-spec > server and client hardware, but it still happens with my newer, much > more powerful system. > > SPECS: > Server - dual 2.66 Xeon 2Gb RAM, U320 SCSI, video dual-head NVidia > 128Mb. > Clients - PII 400MHz, 128Mb RAM, Intel AGP 16Mb video. > Network - 100Mb full duplex with switch > > Anyone experience similar problems with this highly important app? ;-) > I wouldn't have thought there was need to look at using a gig switch > because this happens with just one client active. > > Gavin I have since found that supertux does the same thing. With only two clients playing supertux network is sitting at 10-15Mbs and CPU 2-5% - seen while I was watching gkrellm. Is it possible that these apps are being 'veryniced'? If so, how do I increase the verynice value, or am I barking up the wrong tree with this problem? Gavin From ramonklown at pop.com.br Wed Jun 7 12:08:24 2006 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:08:24 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Volunteers Still Needed for Open Source Lab at NECC 2006 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10007.200.222.204.51.1149682104.squirrel@popmail8.pop.com.br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 7 12:11:40 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NX works great . . . mostly! In-Reply-To: <448610E0.3050405@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: <20060607121140.60008.qmail@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dan, I regularly connect from home to our school's server using NX. The school's NX server (actually running freenx) is behind an IPCop firewall. To connect from home, I first create a tunnelled SSH connection through their firewall (via putty if I'm in Windows), then start up the NX Client. It works very well. Unfortunately, my actual settings for doing all of this are at home, and I won't be able to check them until this evening. But perhaps some information from NoMachine's knowledgebase might help you get going. The following links are to NoMachine support articles related to accessing NX servers through firewalls, and other port-related issues. http://www.nomachine.com/ar/view.php?ar_id=AR02C00151 http://www.nomachine.com/ar/view.php?ar_id=AR10B00040 http://www.nomachine.com/ar/view.php?ar_id=AR12B00115 If you still have trouble connecting, then when I'm home later this evening I'll check the exact settings I use with NX Client and post those to the list. David Whitmer Media & Technology Director Calvary Schools of Holland (Michigan) ----- Original Message ---- From: Dr. Daniel Loomis To: k12osn at redhat.com Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2006 7:33:52 PM Subject: [K12OSN] NX works great . . . mostly! After some more fiddling with nx I found that iptables is blocking connections to my server at work when attempting to access from home. The server is behind a fortigate firewall. The server is running K12LTSP 4.1 (Fedora 3) with iptables running as a second layer of security. I have port 22 opened and can log into the server from home using pub/private-key. When I try to access it with nxclient it logs in ok, authenticates, but then times out without ever negotiating an X-connection. If I turn iptables off on the server (using a remote ssh console), I can make the connection just fine. I configured nx to use port 22 in /etc/nxserver/node.conf, but evidently it is still being blocked by iptables. I am using ssl to encrypt the connection over the Internet, which works fine so long as iptables is turned off. What setting do I need to add to iptables to allow nx traffic to pass through? Dan _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Jun 7 12:15:16 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 07:15:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] frozen-bubble crash In-Reply-To: <1149676721.28988.54.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1149653571.28988.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149676721.28988.54.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <0AD0B649-0200-48C4-8B9D-7C1DEB2E841C@mindfirestudios.com> My first instinct would be that supertux or frozen-bubble are trying to run at a higher color depth or resolution in full screen mode than the card can handle. On Jun 7, 2006, at 5:38 AM, Gavin Chester wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 12:12 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: >> My kids love frozen-bubble, and so do I (since I hold the highest >> level >> achieved in our house). It powers along on the server, but when >> run on >> a client it will semi-crash and drop from full screen to windowed and >> become less responsive. In the past I had blamed this on my low-spec >> server and client hardware, but it still happens with my newer, much >> more powerful system. >> >> SPECS: >> Server - dual 2.66 Xeon 2Gb RAM, U320 SCSI, video dual-head NVidia >> 128Mb. >> Clients - PII 400MHz, 128Mb RAM, Intel AGP 16Mb video. >> Network - 100Mb full duplex with switch >> >> Anyone experience similar problems with this highly important >> app? ;-) >> I wouldn't have thought there was need to look at using a gig switch >> because this happens with just one client active. >> >> Gavin > > I have since found that supertux does the same thing. With only two > clients playing supertux network is sitting at 10-15Mbs and CPU 2-5% - > seen while I was watching gkrellm. Is it possible that these apps are > being 'veryniced'? If so, how do I increase the verynice value, or > am I > barking up the wrong tree with this problem? > > Gavin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 7 12:22:22 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] yum update broke my 5.0.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060607122222.74613.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Eric, Thanks so much for the help. I followed your instructions and managed to log in, but I still get an "libpam" error on bootup when the system is initializing cups. See below for my comments. For the record, I think this probably happenned because yum update got interupted. I re-ran it afterwards, but I guess the damage was already done... > 5) check to see if the pam libraries are there, the > out put should look > exactly like this: > > # ls -l /lib/libpam* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Jun 6 20:46 > /lib/libpamc.so.0 -> libpamc.so.0.81.0* > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10052 May 24 06:26 > /lib/libpamc.so.0.81.0* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Jun 6 20:46 > /lib/libpam_misc.so.0 -> libpam_misc.so.0.81.2* > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8952 May 24 06:26 > /lib/libpam_misc.so.0.81.2* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Jun 6 20:46 > /lib/libpam.so.0 -> libpam.so.0.81.3* > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 48056 May 24 06:26 > /lib/libpam.so.0.81.3* > After following your instructions, I now have all these files, but not with the trailing * -- was that just a typo? > Finally, once all is working, double-check that the > RPM database has the > right information. Run this command: > > rpm -V pam > > It should either run without output, or a single > line that looks like this: > > S.5....T. c /etc/pam.d/system-auth > > If it says that the package is not installed or > lists a whole bunch of lines, > let us know and we'll jump through a few more > hoops... > It outputed a bunch of lines when I did this. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Jun 7 12:22:36 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NX works great . . . mostly! In-Reply-To: <448610E0.3050405@cox-internet.com> References: <448610E0.3050405@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: <35047.169.244.70.146.1149682956.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> just check that you have checked the enable ssl encryption butoon...chuck From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed Jun 7 13:21:15 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:21:15 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] frozen-bubble crash In-Reply-To: <0AD0B649-0200-48C4-8B9D-7C1DEB2E841C@mindfirestudios.com> References: <1149653571.28988.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1149676721.28988.54.camel@localhost.localdomain> <0AD0B649-0200-48C4-8B9D-7C1DEB2E841C@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <1149686475.28988.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 07:15 -0500, Burke Almquist wrote: > My first instinct would be that supertux or frozen-bubble are trying > to run at a higher color depth or resolution in full screen mode than > the card can handle. > > On Jun 7, 2006, at 5:38 AM, Gavin Chester wrote: > > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 12:12 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > >> My kids love frozen-bubble, and so do I (since I hold the highest > >> level > >> achieved in our house). It powers along on the server, but when > >> run on > >> a client it will semi-crash and drop from full screen to windowed and > >> become less responsive. In the past I had blamed this on my low-spec > >> server and client hardware, but it still happens with my newer, much > >> more powerful system. That's a useful tip, thanks. How would I go about testing whether the video RAM is being maxed for any particular client? It would be a shame not to be able to run these apps in full screen. Gavin From phanh at canby.k12.or.us Wed Jun 7 16:26:05 2006 From: phanh at canby.k12.or.us (Hung Phan) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:26:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 client booting fails In-Reply-To: <1149560333.4611.148.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1149560333.4611.148.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <29B91CA7-9592-4BB6-9C12-10A6CA3C6BB5@canby.k12.or.us> All necessary services are running, eth properties are correct. I spent several hrs figuring the problem, even reinstall the OS but nothing correct the problem. It went away when I change to a different server. LTSP 4.4.1 works right out of the box. I'd think the problem is with the hardware, but it can be problem with config because on the problem server, we have eth0, eth1, and eth2 where eth1 and eth2 were working. May be the config is looking for eth0 and eth1??? May be it is just HW problem. On Jun 5, 2006, at 7:18 PM, Gavin Chester wrote: > On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 16:52 -0700, Hung Phan wrote: >> I'm using K12LTSP 4.4.1 (Fedora Core 4) with Neoware C50 thin client. >> The server obtain IP through DHCP (and it works) and serve out >> through eth2 (because eth0 inboard is dead, it is Intel Pro 100 >> eepro100 card) >> >> The client cannot boot, it keep running tftp......until it timeout. >> When the client boots, I run tail -f /var/log/messages. It shows the >> client obtain an IP, and eventually timeout with PXE. >> >> Check tftpd, it's running. Check xinetd.d/tftp, nothing changes in >> the file. >> >> When I check the default kernel at /tftpboot/lts/pxe, it doesn't >> exist. Only the kernel with options compiled 2.4.9-1-kitchen-sink >> >> I know the thin client works because we test it with different server >> before. >> >> Can anyone offers some advices, please? > > I had the same problem with PXE clients that I posted to this list > last > week. Several replies came back but didn't allow me to solve it. In > the end it turned out to be a flaw in the install process (if you're > reading this, Eric?) that I finally stumbled on, broke through and now > have my system running with both PXE clients and floppy-boot > clients. I > don't mean I solved it in any clever way, I just chose my install > options differently :-) > > Download the LTSP documentation, it contains many useful > trouble-shooting instructions. Some things to look for: > 1/ Look closely at all your most important services, dhcp, tftp, etc. > You may find some of them not running, I certainly did on my server. > 2/ Look at the IP address given to your NIC that connects to your > clients. It should be IP: 192.168.0.254 mask: 255.255.255.0. It must > have this address locked in, and eth0 must start when you boot your > server. Mine kept failing and not finding its IP address. > 3/ Look at your network devices status by running > 'system-config-network' as superuser from a terminal, or select > 'network > device control' from your 'system tools' menu. Examine your NIC > properties and check that it stays activated for your clients. Mine > kept dropping back to 'inactive' whenever I booted a client after my > manual configurations and restarting xinetd. > 4/ In the same dialogue box, check the 'hosts' associated with your > NIC. > It should be populated with lots of ws001, ws002, etc. Mine was > completely empty. > > I tried installing 4.4.1 many times on my server without success on > any > of the points above. I also configured services manually after > bootup. > I didn't know enough to do it thoroughly, so it never worked. This > was > a shock to me because when I used earlier versions of K12LTSP > everything > just worked, even though I didn't know Linux at the time and certainly > didn't know how to configure networking services. > > This time around, I finally got my system working by choosing to > install > ONLY the default settings. That is, when I had installed 'everything' > or made extensive package selections, making sure to include LTSP, my > server would end up not working for my clients. The only way I > finally > cracked it was to choose the default 'LTSP' install option and not > change any other package choices that came with that (save > substituting > KDE for Gnome). Now, everything works just fine, phew. > > If other people are having similar problems (?) maybe the installer > scripts need a little look, Eric (if you're reading)? > > I HTH, Hung. Post a followup if it does. > > Gavin. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Jun 7 18:10:25 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:10:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] group password Message-ID: <9bd317560606071110i7cfc5aeeqd21588a73952aa3d@mail.gmail.com> I'm looking for a way to set a login password for a group of users. I need to change this password often and I'm getting tired of doing it manually. I've tried setting a password for the group that these users belong to in Webmin and setting a user in the group to 'no password required' but the having the group password set has no apparent effect on the login process and the user isn't required to enter a pw. Is there a way to do this? Thanks! Peter From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jun 7 18:58:52 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:58:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Moving the /boot partition Message-ID: <20060607184039.M77005@winonacotter.org> I am upgrading one of our servers. I currently am running an internal SATA RAID 5 with 6 drives. I have a /boot, /, /home and swap on a single container all with their own partitions. Everything except for /boot is managed with LVM. I have now purchased a Powervault 220s and have setup two external containers. Container 1 consists of 4 300GB SCSI's striped and container 2 consists of 2 36GB SCSI's mirrored. Container 1 will be /home and container 2 will be /boot, /, and swap all on their own partitions. I have mounted container 1 as /powervault and issued "rsync -av /home/ /powervault". I have mounted / as /mirror and issued "rsync -av --exclude=/home --exclude=/powervault --exclude=/boot / /mirror". And have mounted the new boot partion as /mirror/boot and issued "rsync -av /boot/ /mirror/boot". I have also modified my /mirror/etc/fstab to read as follows: ---------start fstab--------------- # This file is edited by fstab-sync - see 'man fstab-sync' for details #/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 / ext3 defaults 1 1 /dev/sdc3 / ext3 defaults 1 1 #/dev/sda1 /boot ext3 suid,dev,exec 0 2 /dev/sdc1 /boot ext3 suid,dev,exec 0 2 /dev/devpts /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 /dev/shm /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 #/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol02 /home ext3 grpquota,suid,dev,usrquota,exec 0 2 /dev/sdb1 /home ext3 grpquota,suid,dev,usrquota,exec 0 2 /dev/proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/sys /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 #/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/sdc2 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 /dev/hda /media/cdrom auto pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 #/dev/sdb1 /powervault ext3 suid,dev,exec 0 0 #/dev/sdc3 /mirror ext3 suid,dev,exec 0 0 #/dev/sdc1 /mirror/boot ext3 suid,dev,exec 0 0 ------------end fstab------------ The comments represent what the previous running configuration was, the new changes for the next reboot are under them. I have also modified /mirror/boot/grub/grub.conf as follows: -----------start grub.conf------------ # grub.conf generated by anaconda # # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file # NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means that # all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg. # root (hd0,0) # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/sdc3 # initrd /initrd-version.img #boot=/dev/sdc default=0 timeout=5 splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz hiddenmenu title Fedora Core (2.6.14-1.1637_FC4smp) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.14-1.1637_FC4smp ro root=/dev/sdc3 rhgb quiet initrd /initrd-2.6.14-1.1637_FC4smp.img title Fedora Core (2.6.14-1.1637_FC4) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.14-1.1637_FC4 ro root=/dev/sdc3 rhgb quiet initrd /initrd-2.6.14-1.1637_FC4.img ---------------end grub.conf--------------- Everything that refers to /dev/sdc3 referred to /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00. So when I make the changes to the above files shutdown the machine, take out the SATA card to remove the old RAID, change the bios to boot first from the PERC SCSI card that the new PowerVault is on, and set the PERC to boot from container 2, the machine does not boot. It gets just past loading all devices in the bios but does not continue, I receive no errors but the machine just waits. I never get to the grub menu. So my question is, what do I have to do beyond what I have done already? Do I need to run a command to write a new boot sector? Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Wed Jun 7 19:10:00 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Moving the /boot partition In-Reply-To: <20060607184039.M77005@winonacotter.org> References: <20060607184039.M77005@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <59565.216.54.218.178.1149707400.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Jim, You also have to run 'grub' and tell it to install itself in the mbr of that disk (container). Unfortunately, i'm not well versed in the method for doing that. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, June 7, 2006 2:58 pm, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I am upgrading one of our servers. I currently am running an internal > SATA > RAID 5 with 6 drives. I have a /boot, /, /home and swap on a single > container > all with their own partitions. Everything except for /boot is managed > with > LVM. I have now purchased a Powervault 220s and have setup two external > containers. Container 1 consists of 4 300GB SCSI's striped and container > 2 > consists of 2 36GB SCSI's mirrored. Container 1 will be /home and > container 2 > will be /boot, /, and swap all on their own partitions. > > I have mounted container 1 as /powervault and issued "rsync -av /home/ > /powervault". I have mounted / as /mirror and issued "rsync -av > --exclude=/home --exclude=/powervault --exclude=/boot / /mirror". And > have > mounted the new boot partion as /mirror/boot and issued "rsync -av /boot/ > /mirror/boot". > > I have also modified my /mirror/etc/fstab to read as follows: > ---------start fstab--------------- > # This file is edited by fstab-sync - see 'man fstab-sync' for details > #/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 / ext3 defaults > 1 1 > /dev/sdc3 / ext3 defaults 1 1 > #/dev/sda1 /boot ext3 suid,dev,exec 0 2 > /dev/sdc1 /boot ext3 suid,dev,exec 0 2 > /dev/devpts /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 > 0 > /dev/shm /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 > 0 > #/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol02 /home ext3 grpquota,suid,dev,usrquota,exec 0 > 2 > /dev/sdb1 /home ext3 grpquota,suid,dev,usrquota,exec 0 2 > /dev/proc /proc proc defaults 0 > 0 > /dev/sys /sys sysfs defaults 0 > 0 > #/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 swap swap defaults > 0 0 > /dev/sdc2 swap swap defaults 0 0 > /dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto > pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 > /dev/hda /media/cdrom auto > pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 > #/dev/sdb1 /powervault ext3 suid,dev,exec 0 0 > #/dev/sdc3 /mirror ext3 suid,dev,exec 0 0 > #/dev/sdc1 /mirror/boot ext3 suid,dev,exec 0 0 > ------------end fstab------------ > > The comments represent what the previous running configuration was, the > new > changes for the next reboot are under them. > > I have also modified /mirror/boot/grub/grub.conf as follows: > -----------start grub.conf------------ > # grub.conf generated by anaconda > # > # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this > file > # NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means that > # all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg. > # root (hd0,0) > # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/sdc3 > # initrd /initrd-version.img > #boot=/dev/sdc > default=0 > timeout=5 > splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz > hiddenmenu > title Fedora Core (2.6.14-1.1637_FC4smp) > root (hd0,0) > kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.14-1.1637_FC4smp ro root=/dev/sdc3 rhgb quiet > initrd /initrd-2.6.14-1.1637_FC4smp.img > title Fedora Core (2.6.14-1.1637_FC4) > root (hd0,0) > kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.14-1.1637_FC4 ro root=/dev/sdc3 rhgb quiet > initrd /initrd-2.6.14-1.1637_FC4.img > ---------------end grub.conf--------------- > > Everything that refers to /dev/sdc3 referred to /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00. > > So when I make the changes to the above files shutdown the machine, take > out > the SATA card to remove the old RAID, change the bios to boot first from > the > PERC SCSI card that the new PowerVault is on, and set the PERC to boot > from > container 2, the machine does not boot. It gets just past loading all > devices > in the bios but does not continue, I receive no errors but the machine > just > waits. I never get to the grub menu. > > So my question is, what do I have to do beyond what I have done already? > Do I > need to run a command to write a new boot sector? > > Thanks > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jun 7 19:14:45 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:14:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Moving the /boot partition In-Reply-To: <59565.216.54.218.178.1149707400.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> References: <20060607184039.M77005@winonacotter.org> <59565.216.54.218.178.1149707400.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: <20060607191405.M53106@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:10:00 -0400 (EDT), Jim McQuillan wrote > Jim, > > You also have to run 'grub' and tell it to install itself in the mbr > of that disk (container). > > Unfortunately, i'm not well versed in the method for doing that. thanks, thats a start. I'll start reading on how to run "grub". See you next week! -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jun 7 19:19:32 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:19:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Moving the /boot partition In-Reply-To: <20060607191405.M53106@winonacotter.org> References: <20060607184039.M77005@winonacotter.org> <59565.216.54.218.178.1149707400.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <20060607191405.M53106@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <448726C4.9050703@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:10:00 -0400 (EDT), Jim McQuillan wrote >> Jim, >> >> You also have to run 'grub' and tell it to install itself in the mbr >> of that disk (container). >> >> Unfortunately, i'm not well versed in the method for doing that. > > thanks, thats a start. I'll start reading on how to run "grub". See you next > week! > Take a look at the grub-install man page. Usually you can get away with just specifying the drive (or partition) that contains the MBR. Such as: grub-install /dev/sda if you are booting off of the first SCSI device. Back-ups and rescue boot disks are a pre-requisite ;-) -Eric From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 7 19:23:53 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:23:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Moving the /boot partition In-Reply-To: <20060607184039.M77005@winonacotter.org> References: <20060607184039.M77005@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1149708233.2041.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 13:58 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I am upgrading one of our servers. I currently am running an internal SATA > RAID 5 with 6 drives. I have a /boot, /, /home and swap on a single container > all with their own partitions. Everything except for /boot is managed with > LVM. I have now purchased a Powervault 220s and have setup two external > containers. Container 1 consists of 4 300GB SCSI's striped and container 2 > consists of 2 36GB SCSI's mirrored. Container 1 will be /home and container 2 > will be /boot, /, and swap all on their own partitions. > > I have mounted container 1 as /powervault and issued "rsync -av /home/ > /powervault". I have mounted / as /mirror and issued "rsync -av > --exclude=/home --exclude=/powervault --exclude=/boot / /mirror". And have > mounted the new boot partion as /mirror/boot and issued "rsync -av /boot/ > /mirror/boot". > > I have also modified my /mirror/etc/fstab to read as follows: > ---------start fstab--------------- > # This file is edited by fstab-sync - see 'man fstab-sync' for details > #/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 / ext3 defaults 1 1 > /dev/sdc3 / ext3 defaults 1 1 > #/dev/sda1 /boot ext3 suid,dev,exec 0 2 > /dev/sdc1 /boot ext3 suid,dev,exec 0 2 > /dev/devpts /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 > /dev/shm /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 > #/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol02 /home ext3 grpquota,suid,dev,usrquota,exec 0 2 > /dev/sdb1 /home ext3 grpquota,suid,dev,usrquota,exec 0 2 > /dev/proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 > /dev/sys /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 > #/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 swap swap defaults 0 0 > /dev/sdc2 swap swap defaults 0 0 > /dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto > pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 > /dev/hda /media/cdrom auto > pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 > #/dev/sdb1 /powervault ext3 suid,dev,exec 0 0 > #/dev/sdc3 /mirror ext3 suid,dev,exec 0 0 > #/dev/sdc1 /mirror/boot ext3 suid,dev,exec 0 0 > ------------end fstab------------ > > The comments represent what the previous running configuration was, the new > changes for the next reboot are under them. > > I have also modified /mirror/boot/grub/grub.conf as follows: > -----------start grub.conf------------ > # grub.conf generated by anaconda > # > # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file > # NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means that > # all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg. > # root (hd0,0) > # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/sdc3 > # initrd /initrd-version.img > #boot=/dev/sdc > default=0 > timeout=5 > splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz > hiddenmenu > title Fedora Core (2.6.14-1.1637_FC4smp) > root (hd0,0) > kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.14-1.1637_FC4smp ro root=/dev/sdc3 rhgb quiet > initrd /initrd-2.6.14-1.1637_FC4smp.img > title Fedora Core (2.6.14-1.1637_FC4) > root (hd0,0) > kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.14-1.1637_FC4 ro root=/dev/sdc3 rhgb quiet > initrd /initrd-2.6.14-1.1637_FC4.img > ---------------end grub.conf--------------- > > Everything that refers to /dev/sdc3 referred to /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00. > > So when I make the changes to the above files shutdown the machine, take out > the SATA card to remove the old RAID, change the bios to boot first from the > PERC SCSI card that the new PowerVault is on, and set the PERC to boot from > container 2, the machine does not boot. It gets just past loading all devices > in the bios but does not continue, I receive no errors but the machine just > waits. I never get to the grub menu. > > So my question is, what do I have to do beyond what I have done already? Do I > need to run a command to write a new boot sector? Try booting the install CD with 'linux rescue' at the boot prompt. If your fstab matches the copied partitions, it will find the system, mount it under /mnt/sysinstall and suggest that you 'chroot /mnt/sysinstall' after which you should able to do /sbin/grub-install If that doesn't work you may have to mount and fix things by hand. You'll also have to edit /etc/grub.conf if the new partitions have different names. Just exit (twice if you did the chroot) to reboot cleanly. If the stock kernel doesn't have the driver for your new controller you may have to add it to /etc/modules.conf and build a new initrd with /sbin/mkinitrd. I think you can do this while in the rescue chroot environment. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 7 19:29:41 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:29:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] yum vs. evolution-connector Message-ID: <1149708581.2041.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> I installed the evolution-connector package in a k12ltsp-5.0.0 system to work with an exchange server - and it worked for a while. Now a 'yum update' is complaining about: Error: Missing Dependency: libecal-1.2.so.3 is needed by package evolution-connector Error: Missing Dependency: libedata-cal-1.2.so.1 is needed by package evolution-connector Are these missing in the base fedora repos? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jun 7 19:33:59 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:33:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP rpms for LTSP install In-Reply-To: <1149652443.28988.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1149652443.28988.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44872A27.5090809@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Gavin Chester wrote: > I'm on dialup and downloads are _very_ slow, so I was wondering if I can > use the k12-modified rpms of LTSP (supplied with v. 4.4.1 K12) to > install LTSP on SuSE, as if I had the LTSP packages newly downloaded? I > have just got hold of a copy of SuSE 10.1 and was wanting to play with > installing LTSP on top of it. Yes, I am asking on the right list, I > hope ;-). > > Gavin. > Someone (Mike Ely?) on this list was working on porting over the K12LTSP packages to SuSE and a while back we had a private discussion about the details. I can't for the life of me find it in my email ;-) If I remember correctly, at least the core ltsp packages are likely to install without a problem (ltsp_i386, ltsp_i386-kernel) although you may have to use "--nodeps" with rpm. From there you should be able to use the ltsp utilities to finish off the configuration. Since it sounds like you will be using a test server (i.e. one you are not worried about having to re-install), why not just give it try? -Eric From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jun 7 19:34:39 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:34:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Moving the /boot partition In-Reply-To: <448726C4.9050703@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20060607184039.M77005@winonacotter.org> <59565.216.54.218.178.1149707400.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <20060607191405.M53106@winonacotter.org> <448726C4.9050703@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060607193352.M38256@winonacotter.org> > Take a look at the grub-install man page. Usually you can get away with > just specifying the drive (or partition) that contains the MBR. Such > as: > > grub-install /dev/sda > > if you are booting off of the first SCSI device. > thanks Eric and Les. I'll give your suggestions a try now. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jun 7 19:34:48 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:34:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] yum vs. evolution-connector In-Reply-To: <1149708581.2041.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1149708581.2041.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <44872A58.6040307@mesd.k12.or.us> Les Mikesell wrote: > I installed the evolution-connector package in a k12ltsp-5.0.0 system to > work with an exchange server - and it worked for a while. Now a > 'yum update' is complaining about: > > Error: Missing Dependency: libecal-1.2.so.3 is needed by package > evolution-connector > Error: Missing Dependency: libedata-cal-1.2.so.1 is needed by package > evolution-connector > > Are these missing in the base fedora repos? The new E-D-S requires some rebuilds on dependant packages that haven't been done yet: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=194174 -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed Jun 7 19:37:05 2006 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:37:05 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] file permissions for different groups? In-Reply-To: <1147984728.28654.26.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <446CD488.2090901@orcon.net.nz> <1147984728.28654.26.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <44872AE1.4070407@orcon.net.nz> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Thu, 2006-05-18 at 15:09, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > >>I have a directory with files inside. >>I want staff to be able to view it but not write. >>I want admin group to be able to read or write. >>Noone else should be able to access it. >> >>How do I do that? >> >> > >Move it under another directory owned by a group containing >all the members of the staff and admin groups and a mode >that gives rx permission only to group, none to other. Then >the existing directory can be group admin, rwx for group, >rx for other and the files group admin, rw group, r other >(other in this case being limited to the set that can get past >that upper directory). > > > >>Also I have a WinXP user who copies files to our samba server. Every >>time he copies something it is rw only for owner not group. How do I set >>it up so that when he copies files it is always rw for admin group? >> >> > >Samba has it's own settings. In the share definition in >/etc/samba/smb.conf you can >force group = admin >force create mode = 0775 >force directory mode = 0775 > > > The tips above were very helpful. As and extension:- How do I force the mode for users who copy files to a directory using WinSCP? I don't want to give them the hastle of remembering to set the permissions themselves. e.g. School reports directory:- Teachers will upload folders containing their school reports. I want the owner (a member of staff group) and members of the admin group to be able to access it. From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Jun 7 19:52:11 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] file permissions for different groups? In-Reply-To: <44872AE1.4070407@orcon.net.nz> References: <446CD488.2090901@orcon.net.nz> <1147984728.28654.26.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <44872AE1.4070407@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <28662.169.244.70.146.1149709931.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> look into chmod g+s to froce file ownership to that group owning the directory..chuck > Les Mikesell wrote: > >>On Thu, 2006-05-18 at 15:09, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: >> >> >>>I have a directory with files inside. >>>I want staff to be able to view it but not write. >>>I want admin group to be able to read or write. >>>Noone else should be able to access it. >>> >>>How do I do that? >>> >>> >> >>Move it under another directory owned by a group containing >>all the members of the staff and admin groups and a mode >>that gives rx permission only to group, none to other. Then >>the existing directory can be group admin, rwx for group, >>rx for other and the files group admin, rw group, r other >>(other in this case being limited to the set that can get past >>that upper directory). >> >> >> >>>Also I have a WinXP user who copies files to our samba server. Every >>>time he copies something it is rw only for owner not group. How do I set >>>it up so that when he copies files it is always rw for admin group? >>> >>> >> >>Samba has it's own settings. In the share definition in >>/etc/samba/smb.conf you can >>force group = admin >>force create mode = 0775 >>force directory mode = 0775 >> >> >> > The tips above were very helpful. As and extension:- > > How do I force the mode for users who copy files to a directory using > WinSCP? > I don't want to give them the hastle of remembering to set the > permissions themselves. > e.g. School reports directory:- Teachers will upload folders containing > their school reports. I want the owner (a member of staff group) and > members of the admin group to be able to access it. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jun 7 20:21:06 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:21:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 client booting fails In-Reply-To: <1149649018.3583.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1149560333.4611.148.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44860939.9020503@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1149649018.3583.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <44873532.1080006@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Gavin Chester wrote: > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 16:01 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: >> Gavin Chester wrote: > > -snip- >>> This time around, I finally got my system working by choosing to install >>> ONLY the default settings. That is, when I had installed 'everything' >>> or made extensive package selections, making sure to include LTSP, my >>> server would end up not working for my clients. The only way I finally >>> cracked it was to choose the default 'LTSP' install option and not >>> change any other package choices that came with that (save substituting >>> KDE for Gnome). Now, everything works just fine, phew. >>> >>> If other people are having similar problems (?) maybe the installer >>> scripts need a little look, Eric (if you're reading)? >>> >>> I HTH, Hung. Post a followup if it does. >>> >>> Gavin. >>> >> If I am reading this correctly, when you had problems you selected a >> normal (Fedora option) install and clicked on the "Customize" packages >> and added the K12LTSP packages? >> >> If this is correct, that is the issue you are having. The "K12LTSP" >> option automatically runs the LTSP configuration scripts at the end of >> the install, the "Fedora" option does not even if you pick a custom >> install and select the K12LTSP packages. This actually can work, but you >> have to 1) make sure you have the network and firewall configured >> correctly (the K12LTSP install option does this by default) and 2) you >> run this script after the install has completed: >> >> /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize >> >> >> >> If you pick the "K12LTSP" install option, you can customize the package >> select as much as you want and still have the terminals auto-magically boot. > > Your understanding of the problem I stated was _largely_ correct, Eric > but the way I caused the install to fail was too simple for my comfort. > I had been lulled, by previous versions that I had installed, into > expecting K12LTSP to automagically work whatever options I chose - as > long as I chose an LTSP system instead of any other Fedora install > option. > > This time around with 4.4.1, I produced two types of failures: > 1/ I broke a successful install by adding new packages. I suspect > trouble arose because of an unsuccessful install of the NVidia kernel > module, but I have no proof. The Livna repository has the NVidia drivers pre-packages. Proprietary drivers are still bad, but having them properly packaged at least makes it less risky... rpm --enablerepo=livna install kmod-nvidia xorg-x11-drv-nvidia > 2/ When re-installing several more times, I again chose an LTSP system, > but somehow caused it fail (as an LTSP system) by choosing to > 'customise' my package selection. I tried manually configuring > services, following the LTSP documentation, but didn't succeed. I played around a bit with this on the K12LTSP 5.0 beta, which is not exactly the same but its behavior should be similar. Once I picked "customize", I could de-select the LTSP packages. It seems to me that this is reasonable behavior, if you *specifically* tell the installer you don't want it to install the LTSP packages it should not install the LTSP packages (even if you picked the LTSP install category). The other issue I found is that if I de-selected ALL packages EXCEPT the LTSP packages, the were a couple of oddities such as the dhcp client was not installed (i.e. eth1 could not use DHCP to get an IP address). While this is clearly an out-liner issue, it is one that could likely be dealt with in a reasonable fashion. I'll see what I can do. > After much frustration, I only succeeded by reinstalling with the LTSP > 'default' and did NOT touch a single thing with regards selecting other > packages to install. I knew about the 'initialize' script from having > used earlier versions K12LTSP, but didn't/couldn't find reference to it > anymore so didn't think, or remember, how to try running it after my > unsuccessful installs. The initialize script is installed with the LTSP packages. If you don't install the LTSP packages, the LTSP initialization script won't be installed either. > Perhaps a feature request, if I could be so bold of your hard-pressed > time: > After installing, a script runs at first boot to see if the K12LTSP > packages were chosen. If they were, then a check is run to see if the > services were enabled and running correctly. If they are, a dialogue > pops up and says something like "Congratulations on installing K12LTSP > yada, yada ..." If the required services are NOT running, then the > dialogue instead says something like "You have chosen K12LTSP as your > install option, yet the system is not running correctly. Would you like > to initialize your server to enable client access?", and then run the > initialization script if 'yes'. I guess I envisage a system check like > possible with the LTSP status report. > > I know that's easy for me to ask, and MUCH harder to implement. But, > boy, I would have more hair left from the past two-weeks frustration if > such a thing was part of the install :-) > > Thanks, an older and wiser Gavin. > One issue is that K12LTSP is often used to build stand-alone desktops, proxy servers, etc. To support such multiple purposes, I can't FORCE the installation of the LTSP packages. As long as the LTSP packages are optional (installed by default with the LTSP option, not installed by default with the Fedora option), it is possible for people to shoot themselves in the foot if they choose to customize the packages that are installed. In the feature request above, it is suggested that firstboot check to see if the LTSP packages were installed... how does that fix the case where the user manually chose not to install the LTSP packages? It is a real interesting challenge making the system both flexible and foolproof ;-) -Eric From les at futuresource.com Wed Jun 7 21:09:02 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 16:09:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] file permissions for different groups? In-Reply-To: <28662.169.244.70.146.1149709931.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <446CD488.2090901@orcon.net.nz> <1147984728.28654.26.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <44872AE1.4070407@orcon.net.nz> <28662.169.244.70.146.1149709931.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <1149714542.2041.30.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 15:52 -0400, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > look into chmod g+s to froce file ownership to that group owning the > directory..chuck In case that's not clear - first chgrp the directory to the right group ownership, then chmod g+s the directory to make the files added inherit the group ownership. RH/fedora based systems already have a default umask of 0022 which makes the file permissions work for this. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 7 22:45:18 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:45:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] nfs-mounted home -- security? Message-ID: <20060607224518.63970.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If /home is nfs-mounted, what's to stop somebody with a linux laptop from hooking up to the network, creating a local user with a UID of say, 510, and then accessing the /home files of whoever normally is assigned UID 510? -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu Jun 8 02:19:28 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:19:28 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.4.1 client booting fails In-Reply-To: <44873532.1080006@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1149560333.4611.148.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44860939.9020503@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1149649018.3583.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44873532.1080006@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1149733168.28988.103.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 13:21 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > Gavin Chester wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 16:01 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> Gavin Chester wrote: -snip- > > This time around with 4.4.1, I produced two types of failures: > > 1/ I broke a successful install by adding new packages. I suspect > > trouble arose because of an unsuccessful install of the NVidia kernel > > module, but I have no proof. > > The Livna repository has the NVidia drivers pre-packages. Proprietary > drivers are still bad, but having them properly packaged at least makes > it less risky... > > rpm --enablerepo=livna install kmod-nvidia xorg-x11-drv-nvidia > Thanks for pointing me to that, Eric. I previously tried installing nvidia by yumex, but the module reported failure to load on boot. I will give the other (above) a try when I've backed up my currently working system ;-) I can't say nvidia caused problems, but it was at that time my network services 'switched off' and clients would not get TFTP. > > 2/ When re-installing several more times, I again chose an LTSP system, > > but somehow caused it fail (as an LTSP system) by choosing to > > 'customise' my package selection. I tried manually configuring > > services, following the LTSP documentation, but didn't succeed. > > I played around a bit with this on the K12LTSP 5.0 beta, which is not > exactly the same but its behavior should be similar. > > Once I picked "customize", I could de-select the LTSP packages. It seems > to me that this is reasonable behavior, if you *specifically* tell the > installer you don't want it to install the LTSP packages it should not > install the LTSP packages (even if you picked the LTSP install category). > > The other issue I found is that if I de-selected ALL packages EXCEPT the > LTSP packages, the were a couple of oddities such as the dhcp client was > not installed (i.e. eth1 could not use DHCP to get an IP address). While > this is clearly an out-liner issue, it is one that could likely be dealt > with in a reasonable fashion. I'll see what I can do. > When I say "failed installs" I mean that K12 did not function automagically after install. To be specific, in a couple of failed installs I chose the 'custom' install option and then made sure I chose the LTSP and K12 packages. In other failed installs I chose the 'LTSP' install option and then went ahead and individually chose a smorgasboard of packages, making sure to choose the LTSP and K12 packages again. When I finally got install to work automagically I chose the 'LTSP' install option and then did NOT dare touch any package selections (save substituting kde for gnome). > The initialize script is installed with the LTSP packages. If you don't > install the LTSP packages, the LTSP initialization script won't be > installed either. see above > > Perhaps a feature request, if I could be so bold of your hard-pressed > > time: > > After installing, a script runs at first boot to see if the K12LTSP > > packages were chosen. -snip- > One issue is that K12LTSP is often used to build stand-alone desktops, > proxy servers, etc. To support such multiple purposes, I can't FORCE the > installation of the LTSP packages. As long as the LTSP packages are > optional (installed by default with the LTSP option, not installed by > default with the Fedora option), it is possible for people to shoot > themselves in the foot if they choose to customize the packages that are > installed. > > In the feature request above, it is suggested that firstboot check to > see if the LTSP packages were installed... how does that fix the case > where the user manually chose not to install the LTSP packages? > > It is a real interesting challenge making the system both flexible and > foolproof ;-) And a fantastic and tireless job you have been gifting the community for many years now, Eric. Thank you. You seem to have misunderstood my feature request, though. I meant that if a user does not choose any LTSP/K12 optional packages (goes for a stock Fedora install, say) then they are not affected by any K12 firstboot scripts. If they have chosen any/all of the LTSP/K12 optional packages then a script at firstboot scans to see that all components are installed and activated, or runs the initialisation script, as needed. Kind of a backup to your install scripts :-) That sort of request may be very problematic to implement, but would catch instances where someone faithfully thought that they would end up with a K12 terminal server, but by choosing the packages in a 'non-standard' way, they instead ended up with a vanilla Fedora install. Just a thought. I'm wiser to it now, but others may need it _blatantly_ documented if the firstboot concept is not (or, can not be) developed as a feature. I guess if you do such a good job of making things easy for people, they always ask to have it made even easier ;-) Gavin. From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 02:35:53 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:05:53 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Moving the /boot partition In-Reply-To: <20060607193352.M38256@winonacotter.org> References: <20060607184039.M77005@winonacotter.org> <59565.216.54.218.178.1149707400.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <20060607191405.M53106@winonacotter.org> <448726C4.9050703@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060607193352.M38256@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <774593a20606071935x3c8ce5c1kbf625409fcac3f9c@mail.gmail.com> On 08/06/06, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Take a look at the grub-install man page. Usually you can get away with May be OT.... netcat and dd can a be a good combination too for building new machines from old ones.. Google for this? Sorry can not help out more at this moment. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 02:54:03 2006 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:24:03 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT?] Rdesktop connetions Message-ID: <774593a20606071954i159ff366sa95e1cb34a5abd24@mail.gmail.com> I know this is list for Linux support and not M$Win but...I have setup a win terminal server in the same network with LTSP server and this has 5 user license. LTSP server is the dhcp master and I want users to log in from rdesktop window within the X log in. I am able to use rdesktop to connect to the server and log in and work. Problem is only two users are allowed log in and the third user is refused log in with max sessions message. I have no idea what to look at on Win side...any pointers? As I said the win box has 5 user license. Secondly if I get more licenses how do I enter these in win box? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From carl at snarlnet.com Thu Jun 8 03:57:01 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:57:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Ready made thin clients - which would you buy? Message-ID: <4487A00D.1050504@snarlnet.com> Thanks for the info. Those are a little more money than I was hoping to spend. Has me looking at the hp5500 (or was it 5000? I'm going from memory here.) Perhaps I should ask my question another way. What are the specs for a proper k12ltsp thin client? Processor, Audio, Video. What buzzwords should I avoid? Citrix? Embedded Linux? WinCE? Does it have to be intel? I've seen some TC's with PPC chips. I know the you don't need a fast CPU, or a lot of vram 32 megs RAM, etc. But what brands/types work and which don't? Thanks again, ck Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:06:28 -0700 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Ready made thin clients - which would you buy? To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <20060605220628.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.c8b7f81671.wbe at email.secureserver.net> Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII I know that the HP T5515 work great. I have many of them working in our schools. Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [K12OSN] Ready made thin clients - which would you buy? >> From: Carl Keil >> Date: Sun, June 04, 2006 7:46 pm >> To: k12osn at redhat.com >> >> Hi List, >> >> I'm just wondering, some of these look very promising, but I'm not >> experienced to know which, if any, would work well with k12ltsp. >> >> http://search.ebay.com/thin-client_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8 >> >> Will any of the sub $100 ones work well? >> >> Thanks, >> >> ck > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jun 8 04:16:27 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:16:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Moving the /boot partition In-Reply-To: <20060607193352.M38256@winonacotter.org> References: <20060607184039.M77005@winonacotter.org> <59565.216.54.218.178.1149707400.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <20060607191405.M53106@winonacotter.org> <448726C4.9050703@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060607193352.M38256@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20060608040913.M69815@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:34:39 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote > > Take a look at the grub-install man page. Usually you can get away with > > just specifying the drive (or partition) that contains the MBR. Such > > as: > > > > grub-install /dev/sda > > > > if you are booting off of the first SCSI device. > > > > thanks Eric and Les. I'll give your suggestions a try now. Well I gave the suggestions a try and simply managed to kill my server :-( However I did learn some things in the process about how the linux boot sector and grub work. The grub-install /dev/sdc rendered grub stupid and all I got on subsequent reboots was a screen with an infinite amount of text stating "GRUB GRUB GRUB"...you get the point. So I tried booting from a CD with linux rescue and chrooting to /mnt/sysimage and running grub-install, no luck. Even though I could browse my /boot/grub and find all my previous files, the grub-install kept telling me that it didn't exist and I had to define a new root, which didn't seem to work no matter what I typed. So....I wiped my powervault setup and rebuilt my 2 containers. I then did a fresh install to the powervault with all of my partitions configured the way I would need them when finished. I then mounted my old / as /oldroot and my old home as /oldhome and issued "rsync -av /oldhome/ /home" and "rsync -av --exclude=/home --exclude=/boot --exclude=/etc/fstab /oldroot/ /". Then unmounted /oldhome and /oldroot, shut down the machine and pulled my SATA RAID card, viola, it now works. I am now running a yum update to be sure things are current but I don't think this was needed. I hope this lesson I learned will help those wanting to do this in the future. PS. I would have asked the list for more help after my repeating GRUB problem, but this was also my email server :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From info at baf-computers.com Thu Jun 8 05:12:27 2006 From: info at baf-computers.com (Les Finch) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 06:12:27 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT?] Rdesktop connetions In-Reply-To: <774593a20606071954i159ff366sa95e1cb34a5abd24@mail.gmail.com> References: <774593a20606071954i159ff366sa95e1cb34a5abd24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1149743547.27441.5.camel@server.com> You will find under Administration under terminal server licenses cheack there are 5 license there, in has a wizard to help. On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 08:24 +0530, Sudev Barar wrote: > I know this is list for Linux support and not M$Win but...I have setup > a win terminal server in the same network with LTSP server and this > has 5 user license. LTSP server is the dhcp master and I want users to > log in from rdesktop window within the X log in. I am able to use > rdesktop to connect to the server and log in and work. > > Problem is only two users are allowed log in and the third user is > refused log in with max sessions message. I have no idea what to look > at on Win side...any pointers? As I said the win box has 5 user > license. Secondly if I get more licenses how do I enter these in win > box? > From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu Jun 8 07:14:43 2006 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:14:43 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] group password In-Reply-To: <9bd317560606071110i7cfc5aeeqd21588a73952aa3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560606071110i7cfc5aeeqd21588a73952aa3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200606080814.43759.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Wednesday 07 Jun 2006 19:10, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I'm looking for a way to set a login password for a group of users. I > need to change this password often and I'm getting tired of doing it > manually. I've tried setting a password for the group that these > users belong to in Webmin and setting a user in the group to 'no > password required' but the having the group password set has no > apparent effect on the login process and the user isn't required to > enter a pw. Is there a way to do this? One method could be setup a file with a bunch of uname:passwd entries and then do a man chpasswd. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Jun 8 12:20:25 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Ready made thin clients - which would you buy? In-Reply-To: <4487A00D.1050504@snarlnet.com> References: <4487A00D.1050504@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <39759.169.244.70.146.1149769225.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> ive experimented with the 8362 ibm ppc bsed client without success..id suggest for the time being you stick to intel.. My one disklessworkstations 150 is the bugatti of terminals here..i look to see if the kernel has come down and the thing is already booted up ready to rock.. I have netvistas(tempermental viseo) little aquantas as well as a "Star wars Bar" collection of old pcs..from 75 mhz up..Probably this wont help bt at least i threw in my .02..chuck From ahodson at elp.rr.com Thu Jun 8 13:05:01 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 07:05:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] grub-install (OT) Message-ID: Howdy gang In trying to come up with a dual partition hard drive image (W2000/LNX) and in the process I've wiped out GRUB several times, especially after trying to update the W2000 side of the partition. Several sources mention using grub-install to rebuild the booting side, but I haven't found a reliable way of accessing this app. Can someone please suggest a way of doing this, and include source path and needed commands? Also, has anybody successfully created an image of a dual boot? This is my project of the week, and I am running low on options... Thanks for the help and support you provide Alan Hodson El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org/ From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jun 8 15:20:19 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:20:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs-mounted home -- security? In-Reply-To: <20060607224518.63970.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060607224518.63970.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44884033.1030605@mesd.k12.or.us> Rob Owens wrote: > If /home is nfs-mounted, what's to stop somebody with > a linux laptop from hooking up to the network, > creating a local user with a UID of say, 510, and then > accessing the /home files of whoever normally is > assigned UID 510? They don't call it "No F-ing Security" for nothing! ;-) At least you could restrict the exported mount to the network or hosts you control with something like: /home 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0(rw,async) NFSv4 was supposed to fix all that. Anybody do a non-trivial implementation w/ it? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From rusty at enveloptech.com Thu Jun 8 15:21:30 2006 From: rusty at enveloptech.com (Rusty Pywtorak) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:21:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT?] Rdesktop connections Message-ID: <24158152EF86D64A8E8E72628097E1A40B5070@exchange2k3.comlink.local> Is this Win2k or 2003? Either way, the problem is that you are running terminal services in remote administration mode which is limited to two connections. To fix it, go to add/remove programs and select windows components. Find terminal services. In Win2003 you will need to check the box and click next. In Win2k the box should already be checked, just click next. For Win2k it will then ask whether you want remoted admin mode or application server mode. You must choose application server mode. Note that you will also need a terminal services licensing server. It can be on the same server as the terminal server. Otherwise your clients will only get a temporary CAL which is only good for 90 days. You install terminal services licensing in the same place where you checked the box for terminal services (the next item below it). Once the licensing is installed you must then activate it as a licensing server and then install your licenses (you will need your authorization number and agreement number if this is open licensing). One other note about licensing for terminal services--it is normally per device (although in 2003 you can buy per user CALs). Per device means that every time you connect from a different device you use another license, even if it is the same user logging in. The last note is that by default on a 2003 server users must be a member of the Remote Desktop Users group in order to access the terminal server. Rusty Pywtorak -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Sudev Barar Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 7:54 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] [OT?] Rdesktop connetions I know this is list for Linux support and not M$Win but...I have setup a win terminal server in the same network with LTSP server and this has 5 user license. LTSP server is the dhcp master and I want users to log in from rdesktop window within the X log in. I am able to use rdesktop to connect to the server and log in and work. Problem is only two users are allowed log in and the third user is refused log in with max sessions message. I have no idea what to look at on Win side...any pointers? As I said the win box has 5 user license. Secondly if I get more licenses how do I enter these in win box? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 17:57:21 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:57:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] group password In-Reply-To: <200606080814.43759.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <9bd317560606071110i7cfc5aeeqd21588a73952aa3d@mail.gmail.com> <200606080814.43759.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <9bd317560606081057w77e18fdama4fb42410e44dd9f@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Martin! Now if I could only get it to work. Whatever I do I get this: usage: chpasswd [-e] man chpasswd has this: CAVEATS The input file must be protected if it contains unencrypted passwords. So I tried chmodding my input file to 600.....no good. i'm not sure how to encrypt a passwod with the command line so I changed one of my users with webmin and copied the encryped pw into my input file with "find and replace" With that file i tried the command with the -e switch.....no good. What the heck am i doing wrong? Thanks, Peter On 6/8/06, Martin Woolley wrote: > On Wednesday 07 Jun 2006 19:10, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > I'm looking for a way to set a login password for a group of users. I > > need to change this password often and I'm getting tired of doing it > > manually. I've tried setting a password for the group that these > > users belong to in Webmin and setting a user in the group to 'no > > password required' but the having the group password set has no > > apparent effect on the login process and the user isn't required to > > enter a pw. Is there a way to do this? > > One method could be setup a file with a bunch of uname:passwd entries and then > do a man chpasswd. > -- > Regards > Martin Woolley > ICT Support > Handsworth Grammar School > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > ************************************************************* > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email > in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org > > The views expressed within this email are those of the > individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation > ************************************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From andrae.findlator at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 18:27:13 2006 From: andrae.findlator at gmail.com (Andrae Findlator) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:27:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: [OT?] Rdesktop connections Message-ID: I have the same issue. I am also not able to get sound to work. I am running M$ win 2003 sever. Can anyone give me some suggestions? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tom at pcc.com Thu Jun 8 18:43:35 2006 From: tom at pcc.com (Tom Astle) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 14:43:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] accessing the hard disk Message-ID: <44886FD7.40002@pcc.com> Hello all: Thanks for all your help with my nfs problem over the T1. Another question: Is there a way to enable access to a local hard disk on a so-called fat client? Tom Astle Physician's Computer Co. Winooski, VT 05404 From rusty at enveloptech.com Thu Jun 8 19:03:56 2006 From: rusty at enveloptech.com (Rusty Pywtorak) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:03:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: [OT?] Rdesktop connections Message-ID: <24158152EF86D64A8E8E72628097E1A40B5073@exchange2k3.comlink.local> >I have the same issue. I am also not able to get sound to work. >I am running M$ win 2003 sever. Can anyone give me some suggestions? Open up terminal services manager under admin tools. Do properties on the rdp-tcp connector. Select the client tab and look towards the bottom. It will say "Disable the following:" Note the checkbox by audio mapping. This means that it is disabled by default. Remove the checkmark and you should be good to go. Rusty Pywtorak From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 19:23:10 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:23:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] group password In-Reply-To: <9bd317560606081057w77e18fdama4fb42410e44dd9f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560606071110i7cfc5aeeqd21588a73952aa3d@mail.gmail.com> <200606080814.43759.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <9bd317560606081057w77e18fdama4fb42410e44dd9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560606081223h7562582l38a21bf96bc97fc6@mail.gmail.com> Update: I'm doing this now: cat usernamepwfile | /usr/sbin/chpasswd and I get this: chpasswd: can't lock password file I tried moving passwd.lock, shadow.lock passwd- and shaddow-..... no luck. Little help? Thanks! Peter On 6/8/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Thanks Martin! Now if I could only get it to work. Whatever I do I get this: > > usage: chpasswd [-e] > > man chpasswd has this: > > CAVEATS > The input file must be protected if it contains unencrypted passwords. > > So I tried chmodding my input file to 600.....no good. i'm not sure > how to encrypt a passwod with the command line so I changed one of my > users with webmin and copied the encryped pw into my input file with > "find and replace" With that file i tried the command with the -e > switch.....no good. What the heck am i doing wrong? > > > > Thanks, > Peter > > On 6/8/06, Martin Woolley wrote: > > On Wednesday 07 Jun 2006 19:10, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > I'm looking for a way to set a login password for a group of users. I > > > need to change this password often and I'm getting tired of doing it > > > manually. I've tried setting a password for the group that these > > > users belong to in Webmin and setting a user in the group to 'no > > > password required' but the having the group password set has no > > > apparent effect on the login process and the user isn't required to > > > enter a pw. Is there a way to do this? > > > > One method could be setup a file with a bunch of uname:passwd entries and then > > do a man chpasswd. > > -- > > Regards > > Martin Woolley > > ICT Support > > Handsworth Grammar School > > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > > > > ************************************************************* > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > > to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email > > in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org > > > > The views expressed within this email are those of the > > individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation > > ************************************************************* > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jun 8 20:53:19 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:53:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs-mounted home -- security? In-Reply-To: <44884033.1030605@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20060607224518.63970.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44884033.1030605@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060608205159.M74497@winonacotter.org> On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:20:19 -0700, Dan Young wrote > Rob Owens wrote: > > If /home is nfs-mounted, what's to stop somebody with > > a linux laptop from hooking up to the network, > > creating a local user with a UID of say, 510, and then > > accessing the /home files of whoever normally is > > assigned UID 510? > > They don't call it "No F-ing Security" for nothing! ;-) > > At least you could restrict the exported mount to the network or > hosts you control with something like: /home > 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0(rw,async) I am sure that in order to use UID 510 and gain access to the users NFS mount one would also have to know the password, and in that case, no protocol is secure. I don't think you can just say I'm user 510 and gain access to any system without matching the password. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Thu Jun 8 21:05:15 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:05:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs-mounted home -- security? In-Reply-To: <20060608205159.M74497@winonacotter.org> References: <20060607224518.63970.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44884033.1030605@mesd.k12.or.us> <20060608205159.M74497@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1149800715.14512.144.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 15:53 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:20:19 -0700, Dan Young wrote > > Rob Owens wrote: > > > If /home is nfs-mounted, what's to stop somebody with > > > a linux laptop from hooking up to the network, > > > creating a local user with a UID of say, 510, and then > > > accessing the /home files of whoever normally is > > > assigned UID 510? > > > > They don't call it "No F-ing Security" for nothing! ;-) > > > > At least you could restrict the exported mount to the network or > > hosts you control with something like: /home > > 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0(rw,async) > > I am sure that in order to use UID 510 and gain access to the users NFS mount > one would also have to know the password, and in that case, no protocol is > secure. I don't think you can just say I'm user 510 and gain access to any > system without matching the password. If you can be root on the local box (bring your own, boot it with knoppix, hit the F-something key on an LTSP client with a shell enabled on a virtual console, etc.) you can pretend to be anyone else with no password and access anyone else's files that you can NFS-mount to that box. It would be best to use a separate network for the k12ltsp server -> NFS home server connection if possible and limit the nfs connections to that range. Or at least restrict access to the known IP addresses of the servers that are supposed to mount it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jun 8 21:19:12 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 14:19:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs-mounted home -- security? In-Reply-To: <20060608205159.M74497@winonacotter.org> References: <20060607224518.63970.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44884033.1030605@mesd.k12.or.us> <20060608205159.M74497@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <44889450.7000001@mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:20:19 -0700, Dan Young wrote >> Rob Owens wrote: >>> If /home is nfs-mounted, what's to stop somebody with >>> a linux laptop from hooking up to the network, >>> creating a local user with a UID of say, 510, and then >>> accessing the /home files of whoever normally is >>> assigned UID 510? >> They don't call it "No F-ing Security" for nothing! ;-) >> >> At least you could restrict the exported mount to the network or >> hosts you control with something like: /home >> 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0(rw,async) > > I am sure that in order to use UID 510 and gain access to the users NFS mount > one would also have to know the password, and in that case, no protocol is > secure. I don't think you can just say I'm user 510 and gain access to any > system without matching the password. That is, in fact, how it works. You control what networks/hosts can mount the FS, but after that the connecting host provides a UID, and the NFS server says "yes/no" based on that and only that. As Les said, if I bring in my own box, I can create a local user w/ whatever UID I want. That's all for NFSv3 and prior; NFSv4 can do GSSAPI for security. That's why I said you should ideally control authentication on all hosts which can mount the FS. http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/security.html -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From phanh at canby.k12.or.us Fri Jun 9 02:46:11 2006 From: phanh at canby.k12.or.us (Hung Phan) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:46:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and TESA secure browser Message-ID: <465CF374-A8B1-4248-B12C-A0BB72447B23@canby.k12.or.us> Have anyone experience difficulty installing TESA secure browser? I able to install the Vanguard secure browser with K12LTSP 4.4.1 server, but the icon never show up on the desktop. The problem is with root permission vs admin permission. At the end of the installation, where it creates the icon using vanguard_start.sh script, it end there due to user permission. This problem only happens with server but not standalone workstation. Have anyone got TESA browser appear on the desktop with K12LTSP 4.4.1? Hung Phan Network Specialist Canby School District 1110 S Ivy Ave Canby, OR 97013 503-266-0010 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jun 9 03:38:14 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 20:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and TESA secure browser In-Reply-To: <465CF374-A8B1-4248-B12C-A0BB72447B23@canby.k12.or.us> References: <465CF374-A8B1-4248-B12C-A0BB72447B23@canby.k12.or.us> Message-ID: I wrote a custom K12LTSP-friendly "TESA browser" for the schools I support. Since this applies to only a handful of people on this list, I'll email you a copy off-list (if anyone else in Oregon is using K12LTSP and wants a copy, drop me an email) -Eric On Thu, 8 Jun 2006, Hung Phan wrote: > Have anyone experience difficulty installing TESA secure browser? > > I able to install the Vanguard secure browser with K12LTSP 4.4.1 server, but > the icon never show up on the desktop. > > The problem is with root permission vs admin permission. At the end of the > installation, where it creates the icon using vanguard_start.sh script, it end > there due to user permission. > > This problem only happens with server but not standalone workstation. > > Have anyone got TESA browser appear on the desktop with K12LTSP 4.4.1? > > Hung Phan > Network Specialist > Canby School District > 1110 S Ivy Ave > Canby, OR 97013 > 503-266-0010 > From ted at hisurf.com Fri Jun 9 05:04:50 2006 From: ted at hisurf.com (Ted Kanemori) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:04:50 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Question about GRUB In-Reply-To: <774593a20605300140y170fa428md7eab3d84ed9bf48@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c68b82$406a8590$6601a8c0@PaBell> We have a lab of 28 diskless clients running off a server with K12LTSP 4.2.3EL. The clients all have PXE bootable NICs. Without a disk, it does a network boot without a boot diskette. I installed a disk and loaded it with Windows98SE (for a unique school need), then loaded 4.2.3EL as a personal desktop. It's now set up to dual boot to Win98 or Centos. We'd like to put it back on-line with the LTSP server. I think that would mean a 3rd entry in the /boot/grub/grub.conf file. At present, I can change the delay time and alter the default boot OS by changing the file. What would I need to add(the syntax) to the grub.conf file to make it boot off the PXE NIC? Is there anything else that I need to change/add/do? ******************** # grub.conf generated by anaconda # # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file # NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means that # all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg. # root (hd0,1) # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/hda3 # initrd /initrd-version.img #boot=/dev/hda default=0 timeout=15 splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/splash.xpm.gz hiddenmenu title Windows98SE rootnoverify (hd0,0) chainloader +1 title CentOS-4 i386 (2.6.9-22.0.2.EL) root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9-22.0.2.EL ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet initrd /initrd-2.6.9-22.0.2.EL.img **************** From scott at hosef.org Fri Jun 9 09:07:41 2006 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 23:07:41 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Question about GRUB In-Reply-To: <000001c68b82$406a8590$6601a8c0@PaBell> References: <000001c68b82$406a8590$6601a8c0@PaBell> Message-ID: <44893A5D.6000207@hosef.org> Ted Kanemori wrote: > We have a lab of 28 diskless clients running off a server with K12LTSP > 4.2.3EL. > The clients all have PXE bootable NICs. > Without a disk, it does a network boot without a boot diskette. > I installed a disk and loaded it with Windows98SE (for a unique school > need), then loaded 4.2.3EL as a personal desktop. > It's now set up to dual boot to Win98 or Centos. > We'd like to put it back on-line with the LTSP server. > I think that would mean a 3rd entry in the /boot/grub/grub.conf file. > At present, I can change the delay time and alter the default boot OS by > changing the file. > What would I need to add(the syntax) to the grub.conf file to make it > boot off the PXE NIC? > Is there anything else that I need to change/add/do? Ted, I am not sure what our grub.conf looks like, but we have McKinley set up this way. If you come by Saturday I can a. Show you how it looks and b. Show you how to modify your own grub.conf. I imagine that the NICs are all pretty similar, so you should be able to use the same image. --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/Executive Director The Hawai`i Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 2644 Ewa Beach, HI 96706 808.689.6518 phone/fax scott at hosef.org From jon at spriggs.org.uk Fri Jun 9 11:07:09 2006 From: jon at spriggs.org.uk (Jon Spriggs) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:07:09 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Question about GRUB In-Reply-To: <44893A5D.6000207@hosef.org> References: <000001c68b82$406a8590$6601a8c0@PaBell> <44893A5D.6000207@hosef.org> Message-ID: <96df2e0b0606090407q230972d3lc81d724c1758c4a8@mail.gmail.com> On 6/9/06, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Ted Kanemori wrote: > > What would I need to add(the syntax) to the grub.conf file to make it > > boot off the PXE NIC? > > Is there anything else that I need to change/add/do? > Ted, > I am not sure what our grub.conf looks like, but we have McKinley set up > this way. If you come by Saturday I can a. Show you how it looks and b. > Show you how to modify your own grub.conf. I imagine that the NICs are > all pretty similar, so you should be able to use the same image. On the same theme, but not necessarily same context, how would you encourage grub to boot from a defined file on the network, essentially emulating PXE but with GRUB? Thanks, Jon "The Nice Guy" From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jun 9 03:44:11 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 23:44:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: [OT?] Rdesktop connections In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >I have the same issue. I am also not able to get sound to work. I am >running M$ win 2003 sever. Can anyone give me some suggestions? >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see This came from Gideon Romm originally....you'll need to edit lts.conf > Burt, if you want sound through rdesktop, you will need to sacrifice sound through Linux. It is one or the other. Here's why: As you surmised, rdesktop thru esd does not work well. rdesktop needs to write directly to /dev/dsp in order for sound to work properly. The only way to do this, is to run rdesktop off the thin client AND not have a sound daemon of any kind running of the thin client at the same time. This is because any sound daemon (such as esd/nasd) will take control of /dev/dsp and not allow rdesktop to write to it. So, If you want sound from Windows on the thin client, you should do something like this: SCREEN_02 = "rdesktop -r sound:local 192.168.0.253" SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = "rdp" and on the WTS, uncheck "Disallow Audio mapping" Now, you will have Windows sound on screen 2, but no linux sound. Side note: SOUND_DAEMON = "rdp" will produce a warning when booting the thin client that "rdp" is not a recognized daemon. This trick is used to have the thin client load the sound modules, but not a daemon. If SOUND_DAEMON is omitted, esd will run by default. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jun 9 03:44:11 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 23:44:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: [OT?] Rdesktop connections In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >I have the same issue. I am also not able to get sound to work. I am >running M$ win 2003 sever. Can anyone give me some suggestions? >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see This came from Gideon Romm originally....you'll need to edit lts.conf > Burt, if you want sound through rdesktop, you will need to sacrifice sound through Linux. It is one or the other. Here's why: As you surmised, rdesktop thru esd does not work well. rdesktop needs to write directly to /dev/dsp in order for sound to work properly. The only way to do this, is to run rdesktop off the thin client AND not have a sound daemon of any kind running of the thin client at the same time. This is because any sound daemon (such as esd/nasd) will take control of /dev/dsp and not allow rdesktop to write to it. So, If you want sound from Windows on the thin client, you should do something like this: SCREEN_02 = "rdesktop -r sound:local 192.168.0.253" SOUND = Y SOUND_DAEMON = "rdp" and on the WTS, uncheck "Disallow Audio mapping" Now, you will have Windows sound on screen 2, but no linux sound. Side note: SOUND_DAEMON = "rdp" will produce a warning when booting the thin client that "rdp" is not a recognized daemon. This trick is used to have the thin client load the sound modules, but not a daemon. If SOUND_DAEMON is omitted, esd will run by default. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From phanh at canby.k12.or.us Fri Jun 9 16:03:43 2006 From: phanh at canby.k12.or.us (Hung Phan) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:03:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and TESA secure browser In-Reply-To: References: <465CF374-A8B1-4248-B12C-A0BB72447B23@canby.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <8B73F20F-A52D-44C1-BF5D-BA402EA42965@canby.k12.or.us> Thank you, Eric. I'm going to try your browser today. Have anyone use Neoware C50 thin client with K12LTSP in a K12 lab environment? Experience using with ELPA, TESA, and other programs? Problem with it? (Video, support, etc)? Thank you very much everyone for the help On Jun 8, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Eric Harrison wrote: > > I wrote a custom K12LTSP-friendly "TESA browser" for the schools > I support. Since this applies to only a handful of people on this > list, > I'll email you a copy off-list (if anyone else in Oregon is using > K12LTSP > and wants a copy, drop me an email) > > -Eric > > On Thu, 8 Jun 2006, Hung Phan wrote: > >> Have anyone experience difficulty installing TESA secure browser? >> >> I able to install the Vanguard secure browser with K12LTSP 4.4.1 >> server, but the icon never show up on the desktop. >> >> The problem is with root permission vs admin permission. At the >> end of the installation, where it creates the icon using >> vanguard_start.sh script, it end there due to user permission. >> >> This problem only happens with server but not standalone workstation. >> >> Have anyone got TESA browser appear on the desktop with K12LTSP >> 4.4.1? >> >> Hung Phan >> Network Specialist >> Canby School District >> 1110 S Ivy Ave >> Canby, OR 97013 >> 503-266-0010 >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From michael_picone at gbsd.gresham.k12.or.us Fri Jun 9 16:52:43 2006 From: michael_picone at gbsd.gresham.k12.or.us (Michael Picone) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:52:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re:K12LTSP and TESA secure browser In-Reply-To: <20060609160024.7DACF73425@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060609160024.7DACF73425@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: I had the same issue with the K12LTSP distro which is basically Fedora core with the added LTSP packages and ther ed. software included already. I thought at first it was a permissions issue but granted RW permissions for everyone (777) in each account on the app and that still did not fix the problem. I got the icon, but the TESA browser refused to launch. I tried a few different distros and found SuSE (version 9.3 at the time of this writing, OpenSuSE) to work flawlessly with the standard TESA Linux client you can download from the Vanguard site. I tried Eric's version (granted it was last Summer so I assume he has done some work on it since then) and it worked under Fedora, but the problem was it did not have a "refresh" button included. So sometimes when the clients got that "weird" resolution problem resolving on the clients, there was no option to "refresh" the screen as what helps (so I am told) in most instances with that problem. Part of that could have been due to the fact I am using old Macs as clients possibly. But the SuSE solution worked best for me in my District up to now. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 10 00:20:41 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 17:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] trouble with custom launcher and sshfs Message-ID: <20060610002041.3137.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I made a custom launcher that runs a script which mounts a folder using sshfs. The launcher is set to "Run in terminal" and the script it runs is: #!/bin/bash sshfs user at server:/home/user /home/user/mount_point echo "Press to continue" read When I click the launcher, it opens a terminal and mounts the remote user's home directory. But when I hit enter, causing the terminal window to disappear, the remote directory is unmounted. (Boy, did it take me a long time to figure out that's what was happening...) So how do I get the remote directory to stay mounted without keeping the launcher's terminal window open for the entire session? Thanks for the help. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From petre at maltzen.net Sat Jun 10 20:06:57 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:06:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iptables blocking tftp on default installation Message-ID: <448B2661.90304@maltzen.net> I did another installation of beta 7 for version 5.0. I accepted the defaults for everything, except for two things: the host name, and the firewall. The only thing I changed for the firewall is that I selected the option to open port 443 for https, by just selecting the checkbox; I didn't add any other options. After the server finished the installation, I tried to boot my iPaq client, which uses PXE. It hung at the tftp stage, until I turned iptables off at the server, and then the client continued to boot normally. What assumption does 5.0 make about the state and open port of the firewall/iptables? Petre From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Jun 11 04:19:03 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 21:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] iptables blocking tftp on default installation In-Reply-To: <448B2661.90304@maltzen.net> References: <448B2661.90304@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Jun 2006, Peter Scheie wrote: > I did another installation of beta 7 for version 5.0. I accepted the defaults > for everything, except for two things: the host name, and the firewall. The > only thing I changed for the firewall is that I selected the option to open > port 443 for https, by just selecting the checkbox; I didn't add any other > options. After the server finished the installation, I tried to boot my iPaq > client, which uses PXE. It hung at the tftp stage, until I turned iptables > off at the server, and then the client continued to boot normally. > > What assumption does 5.0 make about the state and open port of the > firewall/iptables? > > Petre The default is for eth0 to be trusted (i.e. not firewalled at all), and on eth1 everything is blocked except ssh. Sounds like when a change is made (such as adding https), it completely wipes out the K12LTSP 5.0 defaults. That didn't happen in earlier versions. I'll test that out... Thanks Petre! -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Jun 11 19:08:18 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] iptables blocking tftp on default installation In-Reply-To: References: <448B2661.90304@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Jun 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 10 Jun 2006, Peter Scheie wrote: > >> I did another installation of beta 7 for version 5.0. I accepted the >> defaults for everything, except for two things: the host name, and the >> firewall. The only thing I changed for the firewall is that I selected the >> option to open port 443 for https, by just selecting the checkbox; I didn't >> add any other options. After the server finished the installation, I tried >> to boot my iPaq client, which uses PXE. It hung at the tftp stage, until I >> turned iptables off at the server, and then the client continued to boot >> normally. >> >> What assumption does 5.0 make about the state and open port of the >> firewall/iptables? >> >> Petre > > The default is for eth0 to be trusted (i.e. not firewalled at all), and > on eth1 everything is blocked except ssh. > > Sounds like when a change is made (such as adding https), it completely > wipes out the K12LTSP 5.0 defaults. That didn't happen in earlier versions. > I'll test that out... > > Thanks Petre! Confirmed, the behavior in FC5 is to blindly discard all of the custom settings whenever you make a change to the firewall :-( I'll work on a fix. My first thought is add an init script that injects the default K12LTSP firewall rules if 1) it is a K12LTSP install and 2) if the firewall is enabled. In the common case, it would "just work". In other cases, you could just disable it like any other init script. -Eric From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sun Jun 11 19:11:12 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:11:12 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] file permissions for different groups? In-Reply-To: <1149714542.2041.30.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <446CD488.2090901@orcon.net.nz> <1147984728.28654.26.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <44872AE1.4070407@orcon.net.nz> <28662.169.244.70.146.1149709931.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <1149714542.2041.30.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <448C6AD0.6070908@gmail.com> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 15:52 -0400, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > > >>look into chmod g+s to froce file ownership to that group owning the >>directory..chuck >> >> > >In case that's not clear - first chgrp the directory to the >right group ownership, then chmod g+s the directory to make >the files added inherit the group ownership. RH/fedora based >systems already have a default umask of 0022 which makes the >file permissions work for this. > > > I am having problems with umask. I want permission automatically set for group write access, read only access for others. So I changed to root and did #umask 0002 When I login as another user and try to create a directory it denies me. When i do umask for that user it tells me 0022. I thought that changing umask while in a directory changes the umask for the directory, or is it a per user setting. If so, how do I change all users umask to 0002? Or do I have to specify which directory to set the umask for? -- Please note my new email address:- krsnendu108 at gmail.com From les at futuresource.com Sun Jun 11 19:24:59 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:24:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] file permissions for different groups? In-Reply-To: <448C6AD0.6070908@gmail.com> References: <446CD488.2090901@orcon.net.nz> <1147984728.28654.26.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <44872AE1.4070407@orcon.net.nz> <28662.169.244.70.146.1149709931.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <1149714542.2041.30.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <448C6AD0.6070908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1150053899.18034.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2006-06-11 at 14:11, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > > >In case that's not clear - first chgrp the directory to the > >right group ownership, then chmod g+s the directory to make > >the files added inherit the group ownership. RH/fedora based > >systems already have a default umask of 0022 which makes the > >file permissions work for this. > > > > > > > I am having problems with umask. I want permission automatically set for > group write access, read only access for others. So I changed to root > and did > #umask 0002 > When I login as another user and try to create a directory it denies me. > When i do umask for that user it tells me 0022. > I thought that changing umask while in a directory changes the umask for > the directory, or is it a per user setting. If so, how do I change all > users umask to 0002? Or do I have to specify which directory to set the > umask for? Before you do this, make sure you understand the reasoning for setting it to 0022 in RH/fedora which is that by creating a group for every user, you do not automatically have any additional privileges permitted. That is, there are no members but yourself in your default group. Now, if you ever want to permit shared access somewhere, all you have to do is create groups with appropriate members or add members to your own group. If you did not already have group access arranged it is much more difficult to add it later. Now if you still want to make the change, it is set for most things in /etc/bashrc. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Sun Jun 11 19:37:42 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:37:42 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] file permissions for different groups? In-Reply-To: <1150053899.18034.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <446CD488.2090901@orcon.net.nz> <1147984728.28654.26.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <44872AE1.4070407@orcon.net.nz> <28662.169.244.70.146.1149709931.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <1149714542.2041.30.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <448C6AD0.6070908@gmail.com> <1150053899.18034.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: I am not sure if I understand. 0022 makes read/write access for owner and read only access for the group.. right? 0002 adds write access for the group..right? So the logic of having my own group is so noone has access to my files until I specifically change groups or add someone to my group. But then they still only have readonly access why not read/write access? I basically want my staff to be able to upload files which can automatically be read and written to by the group specified by the setgid of the directory. If users want to change the permissions they can do so manually. But by default it should be read/write accessible by group members. To do this should I edit /etc/bashrc? If I change /etc/bachrc will that change to umask for all users? If so what is the value of umask on the command line? It seems to reset when you log out? On 12/06/06, Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-06-11 at 14:11, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > > > > >In case that's not clear - first chgrp the directory to the > > >right group ownership, then chmod g+s the directory to make > > >the files added inherit the group ownership. RH/fedora based > > >systems already have a default umask of 0022 which makes the > > >file permissions work for this. > > > > > > > > > > > I am having problems with umask. I want permission automatically set for > > group write access, read only access for others. So I changed to root > > and did > > #umask 0002 > > When I login as another user and try to create a directory it denies me. > > When i do umask for that user it tells me 0022. > > I thought that changing umask while in a directory changes the umask for > > the directory, or is it a per user setting. If so, how do I change all > > users umask to 0002? Or do I have to specify which directory to set the > > umask for? > > Before you do this, make sure you understand the reasoning > for setting it to 0022 in RH/fedora which is that by creating > a group for every user, you do not automatically have any > additional privileges permitted. That is, there are no > members but yourself in your default group. Now, if you ever > want to permit shared access somewhere, all you have to do is > create groups with appropriate members or add members to your > own group. If you did not already have group access arranged > it is much more difficult to add it later. > > Now if you still want to make the change, it is set for most > things in /etc/bashrc. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Please use my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Sun Jun 11 21:24:28 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:24:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] file permissions for different groups? In-Reply-To: References: <446CD488.2090901@orcon.net.nz> <1147984728.28654.26.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <44872AE1.4070407@orcon.net.nz> <28662.169.244.70.146.1149709931.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <1149714542.2041.30.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <448C6AD0.6070908@gmail.com> <1150053899.18034.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1150061068.18262.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2006-06-11 at 14:37, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > I am not sure if I understand. > 0022 makes read/write access for owner and read only access for the > group.. right? > 0002 adds write access for the group..right? Yes, adding bits to umask removes the corresponding bit from permissions when a file is created when you look at the value in binary. > So the logic of having my own group is so noone has access to my files > until I specifically change groups or add someone to my group. But > then they still only have readonly access why not read/write access? The old unix 0022 was based on the idea that groups would work together and share things but if someone wanted to modify a file they would make their own copy in their own home directory instead of surprising you with changes to your copy. Current use tends to control access more closely. Here is the conceptual reference from RedHat: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/ref-guide/s1-users-groups-private-groups.html > I basically want my staff to be able to upload files which can > automatically be read and written to by the group specified by the > setgid of the directory. > If users want to change the permissions they can do so manually. But > by default it should be read/write accessible by group members. That's a umask of 002. > To do this should I edit /etc/bashrc? That does it for everyone who logs in with a bash shell. Since you said 'upload' that might or might not involve a shell login. Samba has it's own settings for file/directory creation modes, vsftpd has its own settings and can use a different default for local and anonymous users. Rsync-over-ssh or scp should pick up the shell settings but have options to duplicate the modes of the source file. There are also an assortment of web based applications for sharing files that have their own ideas about how to control things. > If I change /etc/bachrc will that change to umask for all users? If so > what is the value of umask on the command line? It seems to reset when > you log out? /etc/profile and /etc/bashrc set initial defaults for a login shell. These can be modified by settings in individual $HOME/.bash_profile and $HOME/.bashrc files and again by manual changes in the same manner as environment variable settings. The sequence starts over when you log in again. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Jun 11 23:58:04 2006 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:58:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] vncserver Message-ID: <8C85BCA0337509E-978-8DDD@mblkn-m01.sysops.aol.com> HI, Has anyone else encountered this issue? System K12LTSP 2.6.11-1.14_FC3 Dual P-III 600 Mhz Problem vncserver runs continueously even after the service is shut down! But even worse the vnc sessions keep piling up in spite of stopping vncserver and vncts. This is becoming a major issue as it is taking up resources from the server. Any help is appreciated thks norbert ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com From cliebow at midmaine.com Mon Jun 12 01:06:21 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] vncserver In-Reply-To: <8C85BCA0337509E-978-8DDD@mblkn-m01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C85BCA0337509E-978-8DDD@mblkn-m01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <48100.70.33.151.214.1150074381.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Hi Norbert..I know nothing....but i prefer tightvnc..might be worth a try instead.. > HI, > Has anyone else encountered this issue? > System > K12LTSP 2.6.11-1.14_FC3 > Dual P-III 600 Mhz > Problem > vncserver runs continueously even after the service is shut down! But > even worse the vnc sessions keep piling up in spite of stopping > vncserver and vncts. > > This is becoming a major issue as it is taking up resources from the > server. > > Any help is appreciated > > thks > norbert > ___________________________________________________ > Try the New Netscape Mail Today! > Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List > http://mail.netscape.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Mon Jun 12 01:05:48 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:05:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] vncserver In-Reply-To: <8C85BCA0337509E-978-8DDD@mblkn-m01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C85BCA0337509E-978-8DDD@mblkn-m01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1150074348.18607.17.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2006-06-11 at 18:58, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > HI, > Has anyone else encountered this issue? > System > K12LTSP 2.6.11-1.14_FC3 > Dual P-III 600 Mhz > Problem > vncserver runs continueously even after the service is shut down! But > even worse the vnc sessions keep piling up in spite of stopping > vncserver and vncts. > This is becoming a major issue as it is taking up resources from the > server. Are you starting vncserver sessions yourself? If so they are supposed to run until you stop them. The normal k12ltsp configuration is to let xinetd start sessions on demand and those should go away when you disconnect. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Jun 12 02:22:05 2006 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:22:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] vncserver In-Reply-To: <1150074348.18607.17.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <8C85BCA0337509E-978-8DDD@mblkn-m01.sysops.aol.com> <1150074348.18607.17.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <8C85BDE222CCACE-978-9310@mblkn-m01.sysops.aol.com> Hi Les, No I'm not starting the sessions! They seem to start by themselves?????? Althought I've stopped vncserver and vncts, vnc sessions keep appearing in the vncserver pid and slowing the server to a crawl. Could my system have been hacked ??? thks norbert -----Original Message----- From: Les Mikesell To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:05:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] vncserver On Sun, 2006-06-11 at 18:58, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > HI, > Has anyone else encountered this issue? > System > K12LTSP 2.6.11-1.14_FC3 > Dual P-III 600 Mhz > Problem > vncserver runs continueously even after the service is shut down! But > even worse the vnc sessions keep piling up in spite of stopping > vncserver and vncts. > This is becoming a major issue as it is taking up resources from the > server. Are you starting vncserver sessions yourself? If so they are supposed to run until you stop them. The normal k12ltsp configuration is to let xinetd start sessions on demand and those should go away when you disconnect. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com From les at futuresource.com Mon Jun 12 03:33:45 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:33:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] vncserver In-Reply-To: <8C85BDE222CCACE-978-9310@mblkn-m01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C85BCA0337509E-978-8DDD@mblkn-m01.sysops.aol.com> <1150074348.18607.17.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <8C85BDE222CCACE-978-9310@mblkn-m01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1150083118.18607.40.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2006-06-11 at 21:22, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Hi Les, > > No I'm not starting the sessions! They seem to start by > themselves?????? Althought I've stopped vncserver and vncts, vnc > sessions keep appearing in the vncserver pid and slowing the server to > a crawl. The vncserver service is for pre-configured long-running sessions and you probably don't have any. Normally they are started by xinetd as connections are established. > Could my system have been hacked ??? Try a 'netstat' to see what is on the other end of the connections to ports 5900-5905. It's also possible you have a virus on some other local box that is trying to connect on these ports. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jun 12 05:10:43 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] iptables blocking tftp on default installation In-Reply-To: References: <448B2661.90304@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 10 Jun 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006, Peter Scheie wrote: >> >>> I did another installation of beta 7 for version 5.0. I accepted the >>> defaults for everything, except for two things: the host name, and the >>> firewall. The only thing I changed for the firewall is that I selected the >>> option to open port 443 for https, by just selecting the checkbox; I didn't >>> add any other options. After the server finished the installation, I tried >>> to boot my iPaq client, which uses PXE. It hung at the tftp stage, until I >>> turned iptables off at the server, and then the client continued to boot >>> normally. >>> >>> What assumption does 5.0 make about the state and open port of the >>> firewall/iptables? >>> >>> Petre >> >> The default is for eth0 to be trusted (i.e. not firewalled at all), and >> on eth1 everything is blocked except ssh. >> >> Sounds like when a change is made (such as adding https), it completely >> wipes out the K12LTSP 5.0 defaults. That didn't happen in earlier versions. >> I'll test that out... >> >> Thanks Petre! > > Confirmed, the behavior in FC5 is to blindly discard all of the custom > settings whenever you make a change to the firewall :-( > > I'll work on a fix. My first thought is add an init script that injects the > default K12LTSP firewall rules if 1) it is a K12LTSP install and 2) if the > firewall is enabled. In the common case, it would "just work". In other > cases, you could just disable it like any other init script. > > -Eric I'm reasonably happy with this approach. I added a new ltsp_config package package to the K12LTSP 5.0 beta repositories for testing. After updating, you can run the following commands to make sure that eth0 is not firewalled off: /sbin/chkconfig iptables-k12ltsp on /sbin/service iptables-k12ltsp start If, for some reason, your terminals are running on a different interface than eth0, you can edit /etc/sysconfig/iptables-k12ltsp -Eric From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Jun 12 12:10:24 2006 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:10:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] vncserver In-Reply-To: <1150083118.18607.40.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <8C85BCA0337509E-978-8DDD@mblkn-m01.sysops.aol.com> <1150074348.18607.17.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <8C85BDE222CCACE-978-9310@mblkn-m01.sysops.aol.com> <1150083118.18607.40.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <8C85C3052035934-978-9DEB@mblkn-m01.sysops.aol.com> Hi Les, Thanks for the suggestion, the netstat shows that /tmp/orbit-norbert/linc-1377-0-43eb8fcfe61a & varia are connected why would something from /tmp be connecting to anything ???? thks norbert -----Original Message----- From: Les Mikesell To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:33:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] vncserver On Sun, 2006-06-11 at 21:22, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Hi Les, > > No I'm not starting the sessions! They seem to start by > themselves?????? Althought I've stopped vncserver and vncts, vnc > sessions keep appearing in the vncserver pid and slowing the server to > a crawl. The vncserver service is for pre-configured long-running sessions and you probably don't have any. Normally they are started by xinetd as connections are established. > Could my system have been hacked ??? Try a 'netstat' to see what is on the other end of the connections to ports 5900-5905. It's also possible you have a virus on some other local box that is trying to connect on these ports. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com From les at futuresource.com Mon Jun 12 12:23:38 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:23:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] vncserver In-Reply-To: <8C85C3052035934-978-9DEB@mblkn-m01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C85BCA0337509E-978-8DDD@mblkn-m01.sysops.aol.com> <1150074348.18607.17.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <8C85BDE222CCACE-978-9310@mblkn-m01.sysops.aol.com> <1150083118.18607.40.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <8C85C3052035934-978-9DEB@mblkn-m01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1150115018.25718.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 07:10, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Hi Les, > > Thanks for the suggestion, the netstat shows that > /tmp/orbit-norbert/linc-1377-0-43eb8fcfe61a & varia are connected why > would something from /tmp be connecting to anything ???? Those are local sockets used for parts of the desktop to communicate with each other. Look for things where the local side of the connection has a :5900 to :5905 on the end and the next column should show the remote address and an ESTABLISHED state. Any vncserver with an active remote connection should show up that way. If you do a netstat -a you should also see ones that are listening for connections but unless they are started manually you shouldn't have any like that. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Mon Jun 12 14:10:33 2006 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:10:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Keyboard layout does'nt want to stick Message-ID: Greetings to all. I have this keyboard problem that refuses to stick to another layout, keeps coming back to US layout. I'm using K12LTSP V4.4.1 lts.conf is modified to another layout (cf) and the default environment is KDE. When a i first boot a terminal and get into a user session, i get the US layout. I go into the KDE control panel and it defaults to the right layout as indicated in lts.conf, that is cf so i accept that layout. As long as i dont get out of the session, all is well until i logout. This is annoying cause we need the root password in KDE to change the keyboard layout. Has anyone else have this problem? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Jun 12 15:28:43 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:28:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How stable is version 5? How are folks doing with it? Message-ID: I'm looking for some opinions and experiences with the new version of K12LTSP. I have been right out straight so I have not laid eyes on it, but this weekend is NELS (Northeast Linux Symposium) so I'm planning to teach/demo it then....thus I have some "playing" to do this week. Just wondering how it's working for folks. Any gotcha's? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From accessys at smart.net Mon Jun 12 15:32:12 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Keyboard layout does'nt want to stick In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: yes I use the Dvorak layout and had this problem with one version of Red Hat, 9.0 I believe. not sure if they have gotten it fixed or it has come back, never could figure out why, it didn't have the same problem in Gnome though but it did in terminal if I didn't run an x window first, otherwise it was fine in terminal too. never did figuree oout why Bob On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > Greetings to all. > I have this keyboard problem that refuses to stick to another layout, > keeps coming back to US layout. > I'm using K12LTSP V4.4.1 > lts.conf is modified to another layout (cf) and the default environment > is KDE. > When a i first boot a terminal and get into a user session, i get the > US layout. I go into the KDE control panel and it defaults to the right > layout as indicated in lts.conf, that is cf so i accept that layout. As > long as i dont get out of the session, all is well until i logout. > This is annoying cause we need the root password in KDE to change the > keyboard layout. > Has anyone else have this problem? > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ NO response will ever be given to anyone using earthlink.net +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jun 12 15:43:37 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:43:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How stable is version 5? How are folks doing with it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <448D8BA9.10309@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> David Trask wrote: > I'm looking for some opinions and experiences with the new version of > K12LTSP. I have been right out straight so I have not laid eyes on it, > but this weekend is NELS (Northeast Linux Symposium) so I'm planning to > teach/demo it then....thus I have some "playing" to do this week. Just > wondering how it's working for folks. Any gotcha's? > The big show-stopping gotcha is the GNOME keyboard settings. If you set a custom keyboard layout, it will crash your terminal :-( Other than that, I'm running the K12LTSP 5.0 beta on every single one of my desktops at both home and work. -Eric From accessys at smart.net Mon Jun 12 15:56:17 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How stable is version 5? How are folks doing with it? In-Reply-To: <448D8BA9.10309@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <448D8BA9.10309@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Eric Harrison wrote: > David Trask wrote: > > I'm looking for some opinions and experiences with the new version of > > K12LTSP. I have been right out straight so I have not laid eyes on it, > > > > The big show-stopping gotcha is the GNOME keyboard settings. If you set > a custom keyboard layout, it will crash your terminal :-( THAT is a major killer, I use and teach Dvorak keyboard layout but allow users the choice, both are loaded at all times. icon on desktop allows easy switching. Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ NO response will ever be given to anyone using earthlink.net +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 12 16:24:04 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How stable is version 5? How are folks doing with it? In-Reply-To: <448D8BA9.10309@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20060612162404.1790.qmail@web31610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ---- Original Message ---- From: Eric Harrison To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 11:43:37 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] How stable is version 5? How are folks doing with it? > The big show-stopping gotcha is the GNOME keyboard settings. If you set > a custom keyboard layout, it will crash your terminal :-( > > Other than that, I'm running the K12LTSP 5.0 beta on every single one of > my desktops at both home and work. > > -Eric > Is this a GNOME-specific problem? Or does it also affect KDE and/or Xfce? David Whitmer From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jun 12 16:28:16 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:28:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How stable is version 5? How are folks doing with it? In-Reply-To: <20060612162404.1790.qmail@web31610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060612162404.1790.qmail@web31610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <448D9620.8080208@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> David Whitmer wrote: > ---- Original Message ---- > From: Eric Harrison > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 11:43:37 AM > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] How stable is version 5? How are folks doing with it? > > >> The big show-stopping gotcha is the GNOME keyboard settings. If you set >> a custom keyboard layout, it will crash your terminal :-( >> >> Other than that, I'm running the K12LTSP 5.0 beta on every single one of >> my desktops at both home and work. >> >> -Eric >> > > > Is this a GNOME-specific problem? Or does it also affect KDE and/or Xfce? > > David Whitmer > I think it is just bad-luck that it affects GNOME. It is a bug in the X server, which the gnome-settings-daemon happens to tickle (might be a bug in gnome-settings-daemon that does the tickling, but either way that shouldn't crash the terminal) I have not tried Xfce, but KDE appears to work ok. I have tested IceWM (with nautilus turned off) as well. -Eric From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Mon Jun 12 16:54:24 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:54:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] trouble with custom launcher and sshfs In-Reply-To: <20060610002041.3137.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060610002041.3137.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <448D9C40.6090505@saskforestcentre.ca> I'll confirm the behaviour, but I think it's a matter of the processes being closed by the shell they are in. If I look at ps -ax after I launch the launcher, but before hitting enter, I can see that the process is on terminal pts/4 (or whatever). When the bash script closes, it closes pts/4, which kills all associated processes. Try the following adaptation to your script. It will ignore the signals to shutdown. I'm sure there are other ways... Thanks for pointing out that I had it installed. I've been looking for ways to do this, and this is a wonderful tool. Angus Carr. #!/bin/bash nohup sshfs user at server:/home/user /home/user/mount_point echo "Press to continue" read Rob Owens wrote: > I made a custom launcher that runs a script which > mounts a folder using sshfs. The launcher is set to > "Run in terminal" and the script it runs is: > > #!/bin/bash > sshfs user at server:/home/user /home/user/mount_point > echo "Press to continue" > read > > When I click the launcher, it opens a terminal and > mounts the remote user's home directory. But when I > hit enter, causing the terminal window to disappear, > the remote directory is unmounted. (Boy, did it take > me a long time to figure out that's what was > happening...) > > So how do I get the remote directory to stay mounted > without keeping the launcher's terminal window open > for the entire session? > > Thanks for the help. > > -Rob > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 18:28:39 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 06:28:39 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Dvorak keyboard Message-ID: On 13/06/06, Access Systems wrote: > > > THAT is a major killer, I use and teach Dvorak keyboard layout but allow > users the choice, both are loaded at all times. icon on desktop allows > easy switching. > I am interested in using the Dvorak keyboard. How do you set it up? How do you set up the icon for switching? How easy is it to learn? If I need to use someone else's keyboard with qwerty layout with I get muddled up? Thanks, Krsnendu dasa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Mon Jun 12 21:01:14 2006 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:01:14 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing zend optiomizer on K12LTSP? Message-ID: <1150146074.16144.26.camel@server.ltsp> Hi! I'm having huge problems getting Zend optimizer to run on a K12LTSP-box. I'm running K12LTSP 4.4.1 whit the latest updates via yum. >From varius sources i've got some info that shoul indicate that ZO _is_ running: php -v telles that ZO v2.6.2 is installed. ldd /pat/to/ZendOpt*.so gives no error. On the other hand "" on a test website do not show any sign of ZO being loaded. Any ideas what is wrong / where I can find more information? -- Henning Wangerin From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 21:43:08 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:43:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] group password - chpasswd not working Message-ID: <9bd317560606121443k5799bed8lc7bd44b153d29635@mail.gmail.com> Kind of stuck here - My chpasswd command is really not working. When I type it chpasswd by itself I get: chpasswd: can't lock password file I removed .lock files for passwd and shaddow I would be REALLY gratefull for any help. I can't seem to find much information on this type of problem. Thanks, Peter On 6/8/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Update: I'm doing this now: > > cat usernamepwfile | /usr/sbin/chpasswd > > and I get this: > > chpasswd: can't lock password file > I tried moving passwd.lock, shadow.lock passwd- and shaddow-..... no luck. > > Little help? > > Thanks! > Peter > > > On 6/8/06, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Thanks Martin! Now if I could only get it to work. Whatever I do I get this: > > > > usage: chpasswd [-e] > > > > man chpasswd has this: > > > > CAVEATS > > The input file must be protected if it contains unencrypted passwords. > > > > So I tried chmodding my input file to 600.....no good. i'm not sure > > how to encrypt a passwod with the command line so I changed one of my > > users with webmin and copied the encryped pw into my input file with > > "find and replace" With that file i tried the command with the -e > > switch.....no good. What the heck am i doing wrong? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > Peter > > > > On 6/8/06, Martin Woolley wrote: > > > On Wednesday 07 Jun 2006 19:10, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > > I'm looking for a way to set a login password for a group of users. I > > > > need to change this password often and I'm getting tired of doing it > > > > manually. I've tried setting a password for the group that these > > > > users belong to in Webmin and setting a user in the group to 'no > > > > password required' but the having the group password set has no > > > > apparent effect on the login process and the user isn't required to > > > > enter a pw. Is there a way to do this? > > > > > > One method could be setup a file with a bunch of uname:passwd entries and then > > > do a man chpasswd. > > > -- > > > Regards > > > Martin Woolley > > > ICT Support > > > Handsworth Grammar School > > > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************* > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > > > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > > > to whom they are addressed. 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I wish Gnome would make a nice GUI for it instead of using their "Connect to SSH server" GUI, which doesn't integrate with all applications (such as Firefox). -Rob --- Angus Carr wrote: > I'll confirm the behaviour, but I think it's a > matter of the processes > being closed by the shell they are in. If I look at > ps -ax after I > launch the launcher, but before hitting enter, I can > see that the > process is on terminal pts/4 (or whatever). When the > bash script closes, > it closes pts/4, which kills all associated > processes. > > Try the following adaptation to your script. It will > ignore the signals > to shutdown. I'm sure there are other ways... > > Thanks for pointing out that I had it installed. > I've been looking for > ways to do this, and this is a wonderful tool. > > Angus Carr. > > #!/bin/bash > nohup sshfs user at server:/home/user > /home/user/mount_point > echo "Press to continue" > read > > > > Rob Owens wrote: > > I made a custom launcher that runs a script which > > mounts a folder using sshfs. The launcher is set > to > > "Run in terminal" and the script it runs is: > > > > #!/bin/bash > > sshfs user at server:/home/user > /home/user/mount_point > > echo "Press to continue" > > read > > > > When I click the launcher, it opens a terminal and > > mounts the remote user's home directory. But when > I > > hit enter, causing the terminal window to > disappear, > > the remote directory is unmounted. (Boy, did it > take > > me a long time to figure out that's what was > > happening...) > > > > So how do I get the remote directory to stay > mounted > > without keeping the launcher's terminal window > open > > for the entire session? > > > > Thanks for the help. > > > > -Rob > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Mon Jun 12 22:18:42 2006 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:18:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Job Opening in Cottage Grove Message-ID: <1150150722.6303.38.camel@localhost> Colleagues- There will soon be a job posted at http://www.slane.k12.or.us/index.pl/home/departments/personnel for a Technology Supervisor / System Administrator position. The official details have yet to be posted, but basically it entails managing a large-ish heterogeneous network, served mostly by Linux servers, including a couple K12LTSP labs. I've done this job for the last two and a half years, so if you are thinking of applying and have any questions, feel free to drop me a line. -- -Quentin Hartman- (Former) Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, OR (541)767-3778 http://www.slane.k12.or.us From lists.john at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 01:01:54 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:01:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] is it safe to turn off GDM binary? Message-ID: <2be970b50606121801u30a0a35ekde94df586f62b312@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I am running FC 4 as a webserver, and don't need gdm to be running for day to day use ( I might need to start it if I log on at the console). Is it safe to turn off GDM-Binary. Google tells me that GDM binary is a "wrapper" for a variety of GDM functions. I assume that it can safely be shut off, but I wanted to check with the experts first. Thanks! John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ideally, a dual cpu (perhaps also dual core) server is best for processing large videos, as the program takes good advantage of multi-threading. It even has a check box to run the processes in a lower priority so that it won't bring your system to its knees. For assembling mjpeg or other .avi files, I have found avidemux2 to be very simple to use. Just open the original file and then /file/append additional clips. avidemux2 will also convert .avi to .mpeg but the results are not as good as with KmPg2. Check it out at: http://kmpg2.sourceforge.net/view.php/page/Voorpagina Dan From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jun 13 04:56:14 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] is it safe to turn off GDM binary? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50606121801u30a0a35ekde94df586f62b312@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50606121801u30a0a35ekde94df586f62b312@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, john wrote: > Hi all, > > I am running FC 4 as a webserver, and don't need gdm to be running for day > to day use ( I might need to start it if I log on at the console). > Is it safe to turn off GDM-Binary. Google tells me that GDM binary is a > "wrapper" for a variety of GDM functions. I assume that it can safely be > shut off, but I wanted to check with the experts first. > > Thanks! > > John If you are running a web server that typically does not need to be accessed via a GUI directly on the desktop (or via XDM or VNC), then it makes sense to run in text-only mode. To do that, you can change from runlevel 5 (GUI) to runlevel 3 (text) by editing /etc/inittab and changing: id:5:initdefault: to id:3:initdefault: You can run "telinit q" from the command line or reboot for the change to take effect. Afterwards, if you do find that you need to a GUI from the console you can log in and type "startx" to startup the GUI. If you find that you really do want the GUI login, then just reverse the process. Change the default runlevel back to 5 and run "telinit q". -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jun 13 05:05:11 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] new K12LTSP 5.0 beta (#8) Message-ID: I tossed a new beta build over the fence. I really wanted to include the hopefully-soon-to-be-released firefox update, but I figured the best way to make that appear is to put out a new build ;-) This build fixes a number of small details, but does not fix the big "keyboard layout changes crash terminals" bug. Mac terminals will now boot out-of-the-box if you change the IP address range to something other than the default 192.168.0.254/24. A new service was added to prevent firewall changes from preventing terminals from booting. This works by adding a firewall rule that skips all firewalling on eth0 (this the default K12LTSP configuration). You change change the device by editing /etc/sysconfig/iptables-k12ltsp or disable this completely by running "/sbin/chkconfig iptables-k12ltsp off" -Eric From onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca Tue Jun 13 07:17:57 2006 From: onatawahtaw at yahoo.ca (Onatawahtaw) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Dvorak keyboard In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060613071757.36325.qmail@web30514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Krsnendu, If you have learned QWERTY already, your fingers know how to type, so you should pick up speed in know time. The first two weeks will be hard, but if you commit those two weeks, it should be smooth sailing after that. Some say Dvorak will make you faster, this is not necessarily true, but it will take a lot of strain off your fingers. My fingers used to cramp up sometimes in QWERTY, since I switched to Dvorak I no longer have that problem. After you start using Dvorak, you will probably still use QWERTY from time to time, so your fingers won't have the opportunity to forget it. Of course, if you stay away from QWERTY for a long period of time, it might take a couple of minutes to reajust, but your fingers still remember. :) Hope this helps answer your last couple questions at least, -Kevin --- Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > I am interested in using the Dvorak keyboard. How > do you set it up? How do > you set up the icon for switching? > > How easy is it to learn? If I need to use someone > else's keyboard with > qwerty layout with I get muddled up? > > Thanks, > Krsnendu dasa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 08:38:31 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:38:31 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Dvorak keyboard In-Reply-To: <20060613071757.36325.qmail@web30514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060613071757.36325.qmail@web30514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks. I think I'll give it a go. I'll also see how the kids in my class go with it. They will probably learn it faster than qwerty. And faster than me for sure. -Krsnendu On 13/06/06, Onatawahtaw wrote: > > Hi Krsnendu, > > If you have learned QWERTY already, your fingers know > how to type, so you should pick up speed in know time. > The first two weeks will be hard, but if you commit > those two weeks, it should be smooth sailing after > that. Some say Dvorak will make you faster, this is > not necessarily true, but it will take a lot of strain > off your fingers. My fingers used to cramp up > sometimes in QWERTY, since I switched to Dvorak I no > longer have that problem. > > After you start using Dvorak, you will probably still > use QWERTY from time to time, so your fingers won't > have the opportunity to forget it. Of course, if you > stay away from QWERTY for a long period of time, it > might take a couple of minutes to reajust, but your > fingers still remember. :) > > Hope this helps answer your last couple questions at > least, > > -Kevin > > > --- Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > > > I am interested in using the Dvorak keyboard. How > > do you set it up? How do > > you set up the icon for switching? > > > > How easy is it to learn? If I need to use someone > > else's keyboard with > > qwerty layout with I get muddled up? > > > > Thanks, > > Krsnendu dasa > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Please use my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Tue Jun 13 13:23:12 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:23:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] new K12LTSP 5.0 beta (#8) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <448EBC40.8060408@saskforestcentre.ca> Is that form of firewall modification the right way to do it for the single-NIC case? I don't know how much I care- the single-NIC case requires other modifications anyway, but it's worth thinking about. Angus Carr. Eric Harrison wrote: > > I tossed a new beta build over the fence. I really wanted to include the > hopefully-soon-to-be-released firefox update, but I figured the best way > to make that appear is to put out a new build ;-) > > This build fixes a number of small details, but does not fix the big > "keyboard layout changes crash terminals" bug. > > Mac terminals will now boot out-of-the-box if you change the IP address > range to something other than the default 192.168.0.254/24. > > A new service was added to prevent firewall changes from preventing > terminals from booting. This works by adding a firewall rule that > skips all firewalling on eth0 (this the default K12LTSP configuration). > You change change the device by editing /etc/sysconfig/iptables-k12ltsp > or disable this completely by running "/sbin/chkconfig > iptables-k12ltsp off" > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jun 13 13:23:25 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:23:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new K12LTSP 5.0 beta (#8) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060613132229.M36132@winonacotter.org> > Mac terminals will now boot out-of-the-box if you change the IP address > range to something other than the default 192.168.0.254/24. Very cool, that will eliminate some confusion for future users. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jun 13 13:27:53 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:27:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How stable is version 5? How are folks doing with it? In-Reply-To: <20060612191508.M49908@winonacotter.org> References: <20060612162404.1790.qmail@web31610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <448D9620.8080208@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20060612191508.M49908@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20060613132350.M47950@winonacotter.org> On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:16:51 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] How stable is version 5? How are folks doing with it? > > I just found out this afternoon that there is also a bug with a > couple different NVIDIA chipsets that make the mouse pointer > invisible. The workaround is to disable HWCursor in xorg.conf at > this point. Something about how the RHGB loads is the problem. Just to clarify, this isn't a bug with LTSP. It is a bug in FC5 from what I read. So I assume that is out of Jim and Eric's control. Anyhow if anyone has the misfortune of loading FC5 on one of these machines, the following fix works really well. vi /etc/xorg.conf scroll to Section "Device" add the following line: Option "HWCursor" "off" Save the file and reboot. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Jun 12 18:39:52 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:39:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How stable is version 5? How are folks doing with it? In-Reply-To: <448D8BA9.10309@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <448D8BA9.10309@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, June 12, 2006 at 11:43 AM +0000 wrote: >The big show-stopping gotcha is the GNOME keyboard settings. If you set >a custom keyboard layout, it will crash your terminal :-( > >Other than that, I'm running the K12LTSP 5.0 beta on every single one of >my desktops at both home and work. So standard US keyboard and I'll be all set? Right? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From lists.john at gmail.com Tue Jun 13 16:21:54 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:21:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] is it safe to turn off GDM binary? In-Reply-To: References: <2be970b50606121801u30a0a35ekde94df586f62b312@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2be970b50606130921p46a84dc1o3ee5a3a40fb8450e@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Eric! John On 6/12/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, john wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I am running FC 4 as a webserver, and don't need gdm to be running for > day > > to day use ( I might need to start it if I log on at the console). > > Is it safe to turn off GDM-Binary. Google tells me that GDM binary is a > > "wrapper" for a variety of GDM functions. I assume that it can safely be > > shut off, but I wanted to check with the experts first. > > > > Thanks! > > > > John > > If you are running a web server that typically does not need to be > accessed > via a GUI directly on the desktop (or via XDM or VNC), then it makes sense > to run in text-only mode. To do that, you can change from runlevel 5 (GUI) > to runlevel 3 (text) by editing /etc/inittab and changing: > > id:5:initdefault: > > to > > id:3:initdefault: > > > You can run "telinit q" from the command line or reboot for the change > to take effect. > > Afterwards, if you do find that you need to a GUI from the console you > can log in and type "startx" to startup the GUI. > > If you find that you really do want the GUI login, then just reverse > the process. Change the default runlevel back to 5 and run "telinit q". > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Still do'nt know why it does'nt stick in lts.conf (it worked a couple of weeks ago) but i found a solution in setxkbmap. I created FrenchCanadienKeyboard.sh script like this: #!/bin/bash setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout ca_enhanced -variant basic I set it to Read and Execute to others and then i copied it into /etc/skel/.kde/Autostart for the new accounts. For the existing accounts, i could push this script onto the desktops. I got the above setxkbmap from the KDE Control Center where the students are allowed to change their keyboards whitout the need for the root password. System-config-keyboard was pretty useless because the settings are seemingly ignored by KDE. This method couls be used for any keyboard layout. >>> accessys at smart.net 2006-06-12 11:32:12 >>> yes I use the Dvorak layout and had this problem with one version of Red Hat, 9.0 I believe. not sure if they have gotten it fixed or it has come back, never could figure out why, it didn't have the same problem in Gnome though but it did in terminal if I didn't run an x window first, otherwise it was fine in terminal too. never did figuree oout why Bob On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > Greetings to all. > I have this keyboard problem that refuses to stick to another layout, > keeps coming back to US layout. > I'm using K12LTSP V4.4.1 > lts.conf is modified to another layout (cf) and the default environment > is KDE. > When a i first boot a terminal and get into a user session, i get the > US layout. I go into the KDE control panel and it defaults to the right > layout as indicated in lts.conf, that is cf so i accept that layout. As > long as i dont get out of the session, all is well until i logout. > This is annoying cause we need the root password in KDE to change the > keyboard layout. > Has anyone else have this problem? > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ NO response will ever be given to anyone using earthlink.net +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jun 13 18:00:14 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:00:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP and flash audio In-Reply-To: <1E00DF00-9906-496F-94E7-70204D727231@canby.k12.or.us> References: <1E00DF00-9906-496F-94E7-70204D727231@canby.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <448EFD2E.7020802@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Hung Phan wrote: > I'm using K12LTSP with Fedora Core 4 and have problem config the audio > for flash player. I follow this instruction but never get the audio to > play. > Have anyone get the flash audio to play on LTSP server and client? Can > you post the instruction, please? > > Thanks, > One thing you can try is appending the following line to /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp FLASH_SOUND_HACK=YES and then run: /etc/cron.hourly/ltsp_esd_hack Here are couple links for general sound issues: http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/WorkstationSound http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound -Eric From ron at ron.dk Tue Jun 13 18:33:30 2006 From: ron at ron.dk (Rasmus Ory Nielsen) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:33:30 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] new K12LTSP 5.0 beta (#8) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1150223610.30211.1.camel@jupiter> Hi Eric, man, 12 06 2006 kl. 22:05 -0700, skrev Eric Harrison: > This build fixes a number of small details, but does not fix the big > "keyboard layout changes crash terminals" bug. It sounds like you are talking about the problem described in this mail thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net/msg27216.html Thanks, Rasmus Ory Nielsen From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jun 13 19:07:35 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:07:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] new K12LTSP 5.0 beta (#8) In-Reply-To: <1150223610.30211.1.camel@jupiter> References: <1150223610.30211.1.camel@jupiter> Message-ID: <448F0CF7.9020907@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Rasmus Ory Nielsen wrote: > Hi Eric, > > man, 12 06 2006 kl. 22:05 -0700, skrev Eric Harrison: >> This build fixes a number of small details, but does not fix the big >> "keyboard layout changes crash terminals" bug. > > It sounds like you are talking about the problem described in this mail > thread: > http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net/msg27216.html > > Thanks, > Rasmus Ory Nielsen > Yes, that is the specific problem. I missed there was a (hackish) fix posted, thanks for the link! -Eric From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 13 21:33:57 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Great video processing program In-Reply-To: <448E1185.3040006@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: <20060613213357.90598.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the link. I'll throw in a couple plugs for some programs that I use, kino and qdvdauthor: http://www.kinodv.org/ http://qdvdauthor.sourceforge.net/ -Rob --- "Dr. Daniel Loomis" wrote: > For those of you working with students to convert > .avi video to .mpeg > for use in making DVDs, I can wholeheartedly > recommend KmPg2. I use it > to convert mjpeg videos from my Canon digital camera > into beautifully > rendered mpeg2 with AC3 audio ready to be mastered > using DVDStyler. > Ideally, original videos should be 640x480 or > higher. But even videos > shot it 320x240 look fairly decent when scaled up to > 720x480 NTSC video > format. KmPg2 can even convert videos to 16x9 > widescreen. > > The author is very helpful and works hard to resolve > any kinds of > difficulties that arise. > KmPg2 does require some KDE libs, especially > Kommander, since it is > essentially a collection of Kommander scripts that > access ffmpeg and > other commandline utilities. > > Ideally, a dual cpu (perhaps also dual core) server > is best for > processing large videos, as the program takes good > advantage of > multi-threading. It even has a check box to run the > processes in a > lower priority so that it won't bring your system to > its knees. > > For assembling mjpeg or other .avi files, I have > found avidemux2 to be > very simple to use. Just open the original file and > then /file/append > additional clips. avidemux2 will also convert .avi > to .mpeg but the > results are not as good as with KmPg2. > > Check it out at: > http://kmpg2.sourceforge.net/view.php/page/Voorpagina > > Dan > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jun 14 03:25:47 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] new K12LTSP 5.0 beta (#8) In-Reply-To: <1150223610.30211.1.camel@jupiter> References: <1150223610.30211.1.camel@jupiter> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Rasmus Ory Nielsen wrote: > Hi Eric, > > man, 12 06 2006 kl. 22:05 -0700, skrev Eric Harrison: >> This build fixes a number of small details, but does not fix the big >> "keyboard layout changes crash terminals" bug. > > It sounds like you are talking about the problem described in this mail > thread: > http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net/msg27216.html > > Thanks, > Rasmus Ory Nielsen I can confirm that this will work as a temporary fix, it will hold us over until it is fixed the right way. I'll have a new set of test packages out late tonight or tomorrow. -Eric From lists.john at gmail.com Wed Jun 14 15:11:07 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:11:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] advice needed: Moving to Open Office Message-ID: <2be970b50606140811q25451ac9tf93f34f592c56ec0@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, This is not a K12LTSP question, but I hope you can help anyway. We're looking into moving all of the computer labs in our district to Open Office next year. The tech department brought together the teachers who manage these labs and after several hours of exploring Word and OO side by side the teachers felt comfortable enough to give the o.k. to move forward. Now we are trying to plan this rollout. This rollout is is going to happen on both Windows boxes and LTSP nodes, with the majority being on XP/SP2 under Active Directory. 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Isn't there any plans of getting an authenticated reboot/shutdown function implemented. > Hopefully that clearly illustrates why enabling ALLOW_SHUTDOWN is > currently a REALLY BAD IDEA in most environments (especially in the > environments targeted by K12LTSP). Sure, but as an extra plus for an authenticated shutdown/reboot would be a "normal" logout/shutdown/reboot option on a client. I've had a lot of people complaining about that they couldn't shutdown their clients! - and the possibility to automaticaly shutdown clients after the facility closes ;-) -- Henning Wangerin -- Henning Wangerin From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jun 14 15:55:06 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:55:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fix for 5.0 BETA keyboard crashes Message-ID: <4490315A.3020509@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I just uploaded a new ltsp_i386 package for the 5.0 BETA that should fixe the keyboard-layout triggered crashes. Yeah! For those of you who use non-QWERTY keyboards, please run "yum update" and let me know if the problem persists. NOTE: you have to reboot your terminals after you update. If you don't the terminal will still crash the first time you try to log in (which essentially reboots the terminal, making the problem go away after that ;-) -Eric From tlegge at rogers.com Wed Jun 14 16:10:01 2006 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] advice needed: Moving to Open Office In-Reply-To: <2be970b50606140811q25451ac9tf93f34f592c56ec0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060614161002.10504.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi In a small setup, one of the things that I noticed was that some users tend to use MS Word as a spreadsheet (think tables and a manual calculator). The only issue with this is that Open Offices seems to have an issue with importing really long tables and formating them correctly. It took some convincing that a spreadsheet should be used and was only really sorted out after I copied the data and recreated the document in a spreadsheet. Convincing someone to learn a new way of doing something is difficult especially when you know it is a lot better... Tim --- john wrote: > Hi all, > > This is not a K12LTSP question, but I hope you can > help anyway. > We're looking into moving all of the computer labs > in our district to Open > Office next year. > The tech department brought together the teachers > who manage these labs and > after several hours of exploring Word and OO side by > side the teachers felt > comfortable enough to give the o.k. to move forward. > Now we are trying to > plan this rollout. > > This rollout is is going to happen on both Windows > boxes and LTSP nodes, > with the majority being on XP/SP2 under Active > Directory. Could folks who > have gone before give me some ideas of what to > expect in terms of teacher > and student needs, complaints etc. I'd love to be > able to anticipate > problems and solutions ahead of time. Are there any > case studies from > schools for OO that anyone could point me at? > > TIA!! > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Jun 14 16:17:52 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:17:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Shutting clients down: was tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd317560606140917l36cdac97v357e89dc0fd77905@mail.gmail.com> Wow! How I've been pining for that ability. To have a cron job shutting down all terminals at night would be fantastic. I can't tell you how many times I've come in on a Saturday to a 100 degree F computer lab! Ugly waste!! Would it be possible to remove the shutdown function from run_ltspinfod and give it to a seperate command with higher permissions? Peter On 5/30/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 5/29/06, Eric Harrison wrote: > > On Mon, 29 May 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > > > On 5/29/06, Dan Visentin wrote: > > >> > > >> btw... another great feature to add, if you are so inclined, is another > > >> button to shutdown all the workstations remotely using /usr/sbin/ltspinfo > > >> --host=wsXXX --shutdown (or --reboot). I'm considering modifying the > > >> sourcecode for fun (I know that's dangerous... but what the heck!). > > >> At any rate, I appreciate your looking into these problems created by my > > >> follies! > > >> > > > > > > Thank you Dan !!!!!!!! > > > I always wanted this feature to be in fl_tt. I had actually asked this > > > question on the list last year Dec 19th. I got no replies and figured > > > it wasn't possible. Rest assured the next version will have this > > > feature (now that I know it can be done). No more walking around > > > shutting systems off by hand. :) > > > Now if only there was a way to boot them remotely. sigh. > > > > You have to enable an undocumented setting in lts.conf for this to work > > (hint: grep SHUTDOWN /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/*). > > yes, I know. I already did it. > > > > > The reason this feature is undocumented and disabled by default is that > > there is NO AUTHENTICATION yet. That means your kids can shutdown/reboot > > any terminal they please if they figure this out :-( > > > > What if you change the permission of ltspinfo to 754? > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Jun 14 17:08:10 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Shutting clients down: was tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: <9bd317560606140917l36cdac97v357e89dc0fd77905@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560606140917l36cdac97v357e89dc0fd77905@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48036.169.244.70.146.1150304890.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> client shutdown from cron or button seems almost trivial if ssh is set up on clients.. From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Wed Jun 14 17:10:15 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:10:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Shutting clients down: was tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: <9bd317560606140917l36cdac97v357e89dc0fd77905@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560606140917l36cdac97v357e89dc0fd77905@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <449042F7.9070803@saskforestcentre.ca> Could you not set up a cron job which fires off a local program on the terminal? ssh -l root ${TERMINAL} haltsys As long as there is appropriate keying, and the keys in use don't have passphrases, it should be no problem. I keep thinking an automated shutdown with our kiosk terminals would be great. I keep meaning to set up the automatic turning on features, too, but I'm not sure I want to. I'd have to send the wake on lan magic packet, but my terminals (Old Dell's) aren't responding. One day, I will figure it out, but that day is not today. Angus Carr. Peter Hartmann wrote: > Wow! How I've been pining for that ability. To have a cron job > shutting down all terminals at night would be fantastic. I can't tell > you how many times I've come in on a Saturday to a 100 degree F > computer lab! Ugly waste!! Would it be possible to remove the > shutdown function from run_ltspinfod and give it to a seperate command > with higher permissions? > > > > Peter > > > On 5/30/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> On 5/29/06, Eric Harrison wrote: >> > On Mon, 29 May 2006, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> > >> > > On 5/29/06, Dan Visentin wrote: >> > >> >> > >> btw... another great feature to add, if you are so inclined, is >> another >> > >> button to shutdown all the workstations remotely using >> /usr/sbin/ltspinfo >> > >> --host=wsXXX --shutdown (or --reboot). I'm considering >> modifying the >> > >> sourcecode for fun (I know that's dangerous... but what the heck!). >> > >> At any rate, I appreciate your looking into these problems >> created by my >> > >> follies! >> > >> >> > > >> > > Thank you Dan !!!!!!!! >> > > I always wanted this feature to be in fl_tt. I had actually asked >> this >> > > question on the list last year Dec 19th. I got no replies and >> figured >> > > it wasn't possible. Rest assured the next version will have this >> > > feature (now that I know it can be done). No more walking around >> > > shutting systems off by hand. :) >> > > Now if only there was a way to boot them remotely. sigh. >> > >> > You have to enable an undocumented setting in lts.conf for this to >> work >> > (hint: grep SHUTDOWN /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/*). >> >> yes, I know. I already did it. >> >> > >> > The reason this feature is undocumented and disabled by default is >> that >> > there is NO AUTHENTICATION yet. That means your kids can >> shutdown/reboot >> > any terminal they please if they figure this out :-( >> > >> >> What if you change the permission of ltspinfo to 754? From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Wed Jun 14 19:15:29 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 07:15:29 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] ping not responding to name Message-ID: Hi, I have a K12LTSP 4.2.1 set up with SMBLDAP authentication. When I try to ping a computer in the windows workgroup by name it never responds. It does respond to the ip address however. It also takes a long time for all the computers in the workgroup to come up when you click "View workgroup computers" in windows. Another thing that seems related it that a short time after installing SMBLDAP and a couple of new windows xp computers my cygwin logons to K12LTSP became really slow. (Like ten minutes.) Any clues how to fix this? 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In other words I want to load K12LTSP then load VMWare on that, then create a single virtual server and install a second K12LTSP on the virtual server. Otherwise, is there a way in K12LTSP to direct clients based on mac, or based on what nic in the server the client is on, to different applications? We currently use K12LTSP in one application and have found it to be stable and well suited to our needs, kudos to the developers. Any help with this matter is greatly appreciated, Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 14 22:51:46 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] advice needed: Moving to Open Office In-Reply-To: <2be970b50606140811q25451ac9tf93f34f592c56ec0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060614225146.2760.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One thing that grieves me is that the default font for OpenOffice in Windows seems to be different than the default font for OpenOffice in Linux. This means that if you switch back and forth between those two platforms when editing a document, the layout isn't always the same. (This is due to the fact that some fonts fit more letters on a line than others). I noticed this when doing resumes and other documents where I was trying to get the text to fit "just right" on the page. I'm sure there are ways around this issue, I just don't know what they are... --- john wrote: > Hi all, > > This is not a K12LTSP question, but I hope you can > help anyway. > We're looking into moving all of the computer labs > in our district to Open > Office next year. > The tech department brought together the teachers > who manage these labs and > after several hours of exploring Word and OO side by > side the teachers felt > comfortable enough to give the o.k. to move forward. > Now we are trying to > plan this rollout. > > This rollout is is going to happen on both Windows > boxes and LTSP nodes, > with the majority being on XP/SP2 under Active > Directory. Could folks who > have gone before give me some ideas of what to > expect in terms of teacher > and student needs, complaints etc. I'd love to be > able to anticipate > problems and solutions ahead of time. Are there any > case studies from > schools for OO that anyone could point me at? > > TIA!! > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 14 23:07:52 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] file permissions for different groups? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060614230752.62424.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > I am not sure if I understand. > 0022 makes read/write access for owner and read only > access for the group.. > right? > 0002 adds write access for the group..right? Think of umask as "taking away" permissions, whereas chmod grants them. For instance, with the chmod command, the permissions can be granted in octal format where 1=execute, 2=write, 4=read. So "chmod 755 myfile" gives read/write/execute (4+2+1=7) to user, and read/execute (4+1=5) to group and other. To get the default permissions to be 755 using umask, set the umask to 022. This subtracts 022 from 777 (full permissions) and the result is 755. If you wanted the default permissions to be 775 (read/write/execute for user and group, read/execute for other), set the umask to 002. Note that I'm only using 3 digits in the chmod and umask. The system "converts" this to 4-digit format by adding a leading zero. So "chmod 755 myfile" is the same as "chmod 0755 myfile". Likewise, "umask 022" is the same as "umask 0022". I can't remember the purpose of the first field is, but I think it has something to do with setting the user ID or group ID. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From yorick at xtra.co.nz Wed Jun 14 23:21:08 2006 From: yorick at xtra.co.nz (Graham) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:21:08 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] advice needed: Moving to Open Office In-Reply-To: <2be970b50606140811q25451ac9tf93f34f592c56ec0@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50606140811q25451ac9tf93f34f592c56ec0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <449099E4.10104@xtra.co.nz> john wrote: > Hi all, > > This is not a K12LTSP question, but I hope you can help anyway. > We're looking into moving all of the computer labs in our district to > Open Office next year. > The tech department brought together the teachers who manage these > labs and after several hours of exploring Word and OO side by side the > teachers felt comfortable enough to give the o.k. to move forward. Now > we are trying to plan this rollout. > > This rollout is is going to happen on both Windows boxes and LTSP > nodes, with the majority being on XP/SP2 under Active Directory. Could > folks who have gone before give me some ideas of what to expect in > terms of teacher and student needs, complaints etc. I'd love to be > able to anticipate problems and solutions ahead of time. Are there any > case studies from schools for OO that anyone could point me at? > > TIA!! Excellent to hear John, A few points to help you along from experience. 1) It is invariably easier than anticipated. 2) Have printed copies of the OOo Migration Guide available at each school as well as on the network in PDF. (Available from http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/index.html or in editable form [ODT files] from the OOoAuthors project at http://oooauthors.org/en/authors/userguide2/migration/published_final/) 3) Identify early adopters at each school and make them your friends and part of a Migration Support Group. Support them with poweruser level training, they will reward you by making your life real easy. Teachers often respond better to face to face assistance from a local "expert" than they do from email or support desk. 4) Set up a Wiki so that users can share experiences of cool things that OOo can do as well as solutions to small gotchas. Over time you'll get a picture of the types of inservice training that your teachers will need. 5) Never stop communicating. Weekly tips and tricks emails are a good way of teaching people and keeping them involved in the migration 6) Don't use the version of OOo that comes with the distro download. Get the latest version from http://downloads.openoffice.org. At present the latest stable version is 2.0.3 and it is significantly better than 2.0.2 Some things that some will find annoying at the start. Registration and licence agreement request Window at first launch from a new account. Endusers sometimes are unsure what to do with this. I tell them to Agree to the licence then check the "Already Registered" radio button. There is a way to disable this on a Terminal Server system but unfortunately I've forgotten right at the moment. Some people don't like the standard toolbar icons. Since 2.0.2 you have options. Go to tools>options>Openoffice.org>view and the User has various options of Style and Size And NEVER, EVER.. that's NOT EVER show anyone how to get to the Starwars Game! :) Cheers Yo -- "GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG" http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz From yorick at xtra.co.nz Wed Jun 14 23:57:27 2006 From: yorick at xtra.co.nz (Graham) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:57:27 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] advice needed: Moving to Open Office In-Reply-To: <20060614225146.2760.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060614225146.2760.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4490A267.8060206@xtra.co.nz> Rob Owens wrote: >One thing that grieves me is that the default font for >OpenOffice in Windows seems to be different than the >default font for OpenOffice in Linux. > The problem is that the MS fonts are proprietary. If you can, set up your windows installation to use an open font as default. I have mine set for Bitstream Vera Sans. The bitstream font set is open and free and I'm pretty sure is in the default installation of most Distros and Windows > This means that >if you switch back and forth between those two >platforms when editing a document, the layout isn't >always the same. (This is due to the fact that some >fonts fit more letters on a line than others). I >noticed this when doing resumes and other documents >where I was trying to get the text to fit "just right" >on the page. >I'm sure there are ways around this issue, I just >don't know what they are... > > Having said the above, it is a good idea to make sure that your default template in Windows and Linux are the same. You can do this by creating a template using stylist to set fonts, margins, page size and styles headers and footers etc. Save it as an OTT. Go: file>templates>organize... in the Template Management window select a folder in the left hand pane. Then from the "Commands" dropdown select "Import Templates".. The template you have imported will appear in the left hand pane beneath the folder you selected. Select the template, then from the Command Dropdown select "Set as default template". Copy the template to the OOo templates directory your other OS (Not necessary but I think it's tidy) and repeat the above until lightly browned on both sides Cheers Yo -- "GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG" http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz From drloomis at cox-internet.com Thu Jun 15 00:17:29 2006 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Dr. Daniel Loomis) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:17:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] re: Great video processing program Message-ID: <4490A719.30707@cox-internet.com> Kino is quite good for editing files from a digital video record, but only if you are dealing with .dv format video files. It does not handle .avi or .mpg formats. I use DVDStyler, but DVDAuthor looks intriguing. Will check it out. Dan From les at futuresource.com Thu Jun 15 06:25:36 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 01:25:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VMWare on K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <925BA7F4C15D5744BCE3DD88A110555C07F3@dcecf05.ksdoc.org> References: <925BA7F4C15D5744BCE3DD88A110555C07F3@dcecf05.ksdoc.org> Message-ID: <1150352736.3450.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 16:35, James Johnson wrote: > I am a long time Windows (OOPs, is it ok to use that word here? :) ) > admin that has started a second life as a Linux newbie and I was > wondering if anyone on this list is running VMWare on K12LTSP. I want > to virtualize two K12LTSPs on one server so I can run separate > applications. I realize that I could load a supported OS and VMWare > then create two virtual servers, each running K12LTSP but I was hoping > to avoid the sluggish nature of this configuration on used hardware. > In other words I want to load K12LTSP then load VMWare on that, then > create a single virtual server and install a second K12LTSP on the > virtual server. Otherwise, is there a way in K12LTSP to direct clients > based on mac, or based on what nic in the server the client is on, to > different applications? We currently use K12LTSP in one application > and have found it to be stable and well suited to our needs, kudos to > the developers. > > Any help with this matter is greatly appreciated, Thanks. Yes, you can run VMWare on k12ltsp, although the FC5 based versions takes a little tweaking. It's a reasonable thing to use for testing incompatible configurations or running windows and linux on the same box, but seems like overkill just to run two Linux applications. Can you explain the problem you are trying to solve? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Jun 15 14:58:28 2006 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john ) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 07:58:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] advice needed: Moving to Open Office In-Reply-To: <449099E4.10104@xtra.co.nz> References: <2be970b50606140811q25451ac9tf93f34f592c56ec0@mail.gmail.com> <449099E4.10104@xtra.co.nz> Message-ID: <2be970b50606150758i6f762e3ft55b8b2ef60fab677@mail.gmail.com> Thanks very much Graham et al. This will really help me as we move forward. John On 6/14/06, Graham wrote: > > john wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > This is not a K12LTSP question, but I hope you can help anyway. > > We're looking into moving all of the computer labs in our district to > > Open Office next year. > > The tech department brought together the teachers who manage these > > labs and after several hours of exploring Word and OO side by side the > > teachers felt comfortable enough to give the o.k. to move forward. Now > > we are trying to plan this rollout. > > > > This rollout is is going to happen on both Windows boxes and LTSP > > nodes, with the majority being on XP/SP2 under Active Directory. Could > > folks who have gone before give me some ideas of what to expect in > > terms of teacher and student needs, complaints etc. I'd love to be > > able to anticipate problems and solutions ahead of time. Are there any > > case studies from schools for OO that anyone could point me at? > > > > TIA!! > > Excellent to hear John, > A few points to help you along from experience. > > 1) It is invariably easier than anticipated. > > 2) Have printed copies of the OOo Migration Guide available at each > school as well as on the network in PDF. > (Available from > http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/index.html or in > editable form [ODT files] from the OOoAuthors project at > http://oooauthors.org/en/authors/userguide2/migration/published_final/ > ) > > 3) Identify early adopters at each school and make them your > friends and part of a Migration Support Group. Support them with > poweruser level training, they will reward you by making your life > real easy. Teachers often respond better to face to face assistance > from a local "expert" than they do from email or support desk. > > 4) Set up a Wiki so that users can share experiences of cool things > that OOo can do as well as solutions to small gotchas. Over time > you'll get a picture of the types of inservice training that your > teachers will need. > > 5) Never stop communicating. Weekly tips and tricks emails are a > good way of teaching people and keeping them involved in the migration > > 6) Don't use the version of OOo that comes with the distro > download. Get the latest version from > http://downloads.openoffice.org. At present the latest stable > version is 2.0.3 and it is significantly better than 2.0.2 > > Some things that some will find annoying at the start. > > Registration and licence agreement request Window at first launch from a > new account. > Endusers sometimes are unsure what to do with this. I tell them to > Agree to the licence then check the "Already Registered" radio button. > There is a way to disable this on a Terminal Server system but > unfortunately I've forgotten right at the moment. > > Some people don't like the standard toolbar icons. Since 2.0.2 you have > options. > Go to tools>options>Openoffice.org>view and the User has various > options of Style and Size > > > And NEVER, EVER.. that's NOT EVER show anyone how to get to the Starwars > Game! :) > > Cheers > Yo > > > > -- > "GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG" > http://why.openoffice.org > ISO 26300 compliant > > Graham Lauder, > OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ > http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html > > INGOTs Assessor Trainer > (International Grades in Office Technologies) > www.theingots.org.nz > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Thu Jun 15 16:11:28 2006 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:11:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] End Of Year Cleaning Message-ID: <200606151710.k5FHApbl013188@mx1.redhat.com> Hello List, End of the year is here and I have some cleaning to do to my server. I was wondering what other list members are doing to clean up there servers. Do you delete every account and then recreate the accounts in the Fall? Mark Sarria Sylmar High School LAUSD (818) 367-0299 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jun 15 17:50:05 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:50:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] End Of Year Cleaning In-Reply-To: <200606151710.k5FHApbl013188@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200606151710.k5FHApbl013188@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44919DCD.9010705@paasda.org> Actually yes, that's what I do...although if FC5 becomes 100% stable..I will be upgrading the server OS :) --Huck Mark Sarria wrote: > Hello List, > > End of the year is here and I have some cleaning to do to my server. I was > wondering what other list members are doing to clean up there servers. Do > you delete every account and then recreate the accounts in the Fall? > > > Mark Sarria > Sylmar High School > LAUSD > (818) 367-0299 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Thu Jun 15 17:56:28 2006 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:56:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] End Of Year Cleaning In-Reply-To: <44919DCD.9010705@paasda.org> Message-ID: <200606151756.k5FHuY06031122@mx1.redhat.com> I would like to just delete all the accounts in one group the STUDENT group, is there a way of doing this? Mark Sarria Sylmar High School LAUSD (818) 367-0299 -----Original Message----- From: Huck [mailto:dhuckaby at paasda.org] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:50 AM To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] End Of Year Cleaning Actually yes, that's what I do...although if FC5 becomes 100% stable..I will be upgrading the server OS :) --Huck Mark Sarria wrote: > Hello List, > > End of the year is here and I have some cleaning to do to my server. I was > wondering what other list members are doing to clean up there servers. Do > you delete every account and then recreate the accounts in the Fall? > > > Mark Sarria > Sylmar High School > LAUSD > (818) 367-0299 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jun 15 18:01:16 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:01:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] End Of Year Cleaning In-Reply-To: <200606151756.k5FHuY06031122@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200606151756.k5FHuY06031122@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4491A06C.40006@paasda.org> you can use the webmin batch to do that... extract the usernames create a file: deletethese.txt that contains the following: delete:usernameX delete:usernameY delete:usernameZ etc... then with the webmin useradmin module.. use that file to delete the users&homedirs. --Huck Mark Sarria wrote: > I would like to just delete all the accounts in one group the STUDENT group, > is there a way of doing this? > > Mark Sarria > Sylmar High School > LAUSD > (818) 367-0299 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Huck [mailto:dhuckaby at paasda.org] > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:50 AM > To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in > schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] End Of Year Cleaning > > Actually yes, that's what I do...although if FC5 becomes 100% stable..I > will be upgrading the server OS :) > > --Huck > > Mark Sarria wrote: >> Hello List, >> >> End of the year is here and I have some cleaning to do to my server. I was >> wondering what other list members are doing to clean up there servers. Do >> you delete every account and then recreate the accounts in the Fall? >> >> >> Mark Sarria >> Sylmar High School >> LAUSD >> (818) 367-0299 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From scott at remc1.org Thu Jun 15 18:30:18 2006 From: scott at remc1.org (Scott Sherrill) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:30:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] End Of Year Cleaning In-Reply-To: <4491A06C.40006@paasda.org> References: <200606151756.k5FHuY06031122@mx1.redhat.com> <4491A06C.40006@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4491A73A.7070703@remc1.org> Huck wrote: > I would like to just delete all the accounts in one group the STUDENT > group, > is there a way of doing this? > you can use the webmin batch to do that... > extract the usernames > create a file: > deletethese.txt that contains the following: > delete:usernameX > delete:usernameY > delete:usernameZ > etc... > > then with the webmin useradmin module.. > use that file to delete the users&homedirs. > > To build on Huck's suggestion if the students are all in group 100 (for example) you could do something like: cat /etc/passwd | grep ":100:" | cut -d: -f1 | awk '{print "delete:"$1}' from the command line which will give you output similar to: delete:games delete:scott delete:eric delete:sherial .... Double check before send the list into webmin - for example because I chose :100: as my search criteria, there is a system account called games that is has a userid of 100 and it picked it up as well. Scott From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Thu Jun 15 18:44:01 2006 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:44:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] End Of Year Cleaning In-Reply-To: <4491A73A.7070703@remc1.org> Message-ID: <200606151844.k5FIi80r019391@mx3.redhat.com> Well, I am using Samba-LDAP server, I looked in webmin and can't seem to follow what you're talking about. I used the scripts provided (IDEALX) to create the user account. I see there is a delete script but not sure if it can be used to delete user accounts from just one group. Mark Sarria Sylmar High School LAUSD (818) 367-0299 -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Scott Sherrill Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:30 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] End Of Year Cleaning Huck wrote: > I would like to just delete all the accounts in one group the STUDENT > group, > is there a way of doing this? > you can use the webmin batch to do that... > extract the usernames > create a file: > deletethese.txt that contains the following: > delete:usernameX > delete:usernameY > delete:usernameZ > etc... > > then with the webmin useradmin module.. > use that file to delete the users&homedirs. > > To build on Huck's suggestion if the students are all in group 100 (for example) you could do something like: cat /etc/passwd | grep ":100:" | cut -d: -f1 | awk '{print "delete:"$1}' from the command line which will give you output similar to: delete:games delete:scott delete:eric delete:sherial .... Double check before send the list into webmin - for example because I chose :100: as my search criteria, there is a system account called games that is has a userid of 100 and it picked it up as well. Scott _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Jun 15 19:01:42 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 20:01:42 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] End Of Year Cleaning In-Reply-To: <200606151844.k5FIi80r019391@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200606151844.k5FIi80r019391@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4491AE96.6090801@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> You can feed the output from the bulk user create script into the bulk delete and this will delete them one at a time, that's if you used this to create the users. Brian Mark Sarria wrote: > Well, I am using Samba-LDAP server, I looked in webmin and can't seem to > follow what you're talking about. I used the scripts provided (IDEALX) to > create the user account. I see there is a delete script but not sure if it > can be used to delete user accounts from just one group. > > Mark Sarria > Sylmar High School > LAUSD > (818) 367-0299 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Scott Sherrill > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:30 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] End Of Year Cleaning > > Huck wrote: > >> I would like to just delete all the accounts in one group the STUDENT >> group, >> is there a way of doing this? >> > > >> you can use the webmin batch to do that... >> extract the usernames >> create a file: >> deletethese.txt that contains the following: >> delete:usernameX >> delete:usernameY >> delete:usernameZ >> etc... >> >> then with the webmin useradmin module.. >> use that file to delete the users&homedirs. >> >> >> > > To build on Huck's suggestion if the students are all in group 100 (for > example) you could do something like: > > cat /etc/passwd | grep ":100:" | cut -d: -f1 | awk '{print "delete:"$1}' > > from the command line > > which will give you output similar to: > delete:games > delete:scott > delete:eric > delete:sherial > .... > > Double check before send the list into webmin - for example because I > chose :100: as my search criteria, there is a system account called > games that is has a userid of 100 and it picked it up as well. > > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jun 15 19:09:11 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:09:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] End Of Year Cleaning In-Reply-To: <200606151844.k5FIi80r019391@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200606151844.k5FIi80r019391@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4491B057.7050700@mesd.k12.or.us> Mark Sarria wrote: > Well, I am using Samba-LDAP server, I looked in webmin and can't seem to > follow what you're talking about. I used the scripts provided (IDEALX) to > create the user account. I see there is a delete script but not sure if it > can be used to delete user accounts from just one group. For users in a group named "student": # for each in $(getent group student | cut -d':' -f4 | tr ',' ' '); # do ls -ld /home/$each; # done If that looks like the right students, change the "do" to something more deadly, i.e. "do rm -rf /home/$each". Be _really sure_ you're pointing at the right stuff before you let 'er rip. Caveat emptor, and all that. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From andrae.findlator at gmail.com Thu Jun 15 19:50:44 2006 From: andrae.findlator at gmail.com (Andrae Findlator) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:50:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Rdesk top sound Message-ID: Please read below and let me know what you all think. Would this work well? Could it be a part of th LTSP 5 setup? In response to this question: Can rdesktop on linux be given the option of routing sound output through a sound demond such as ESD on linux. The reason is I want to run k12ltsp with sound from windows (rdesktop) and sound from linux at the same time with out sacrificing one or the other. Is this possible? I got this response from the rdesktop team: if you use artsd and start rdesktop through artsdsp ( see artsdsp --help ) and route artsd through esd. Example: something like this,, using 8bit with 22000 sounds ok with webradio, but if you play mp3:s with headphones you might use cd quality instead :) it's quite a big difference in network load. :\ artsd -a esd -r 22000 -b 8 path/artsdsp path/rdesktop -k us mytsserv I haven't tried, but since artsd got builtin support for network connections it might be possible to redirect sound from the terminal server to artsd directly.... oh.. 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On 6/15/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Anyone try Google Earth linux ver beta 4 on a client? I think it's a > very nice educational app. > > http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Jun 15 20:33:36 2006 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:33:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] GoogleEarth on client Message-ID: Wow, googleearth on linux! I tried it on our HP5515 clients running xserver=auto and =ati... Google Earth gives an error that the computer is running software opengl and that it will be slow. Guess what- it is realllllly slow. How can I get these clients with ati rage chips to run opengl drivers? I'm using the beta FC5-64 tests of Erics. Is there even a way? Thanks, Jim From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Thu Jun 15 20:36:05 2006 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:36:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Rdesk top sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4491C4B5.1070905@saskforestcentre.ca> Andrae Findlator wrote: > Please read below and let me know what you all think. Would this work > well? > Could it be a part of th LTSP 5 setup? > > In response to this question: > > Can rdesktop on linux be given the option of routing sound output > through a > sound demond such as ESD on linux. The reason is I want to run k12ltsp > with > sound from windows (rdesktop) and sound from linux at the same time > with out > sacrificing one or the other. Is this possible? > > I got this response from the rdesktop team: > > if you use artsd and start rdesktop through artsdsp ( see artsdsp > --help ) > and > route artsd through esd. > > Example: > something like this,, using 8bit with 22000 sounds ok with webradio, > but if > you play mp3:s with headphones you might use cd quality instead :) it's > quite > a big difference in network load. :\ > artsd -a esd -r 22000 -b 8 > path/artsdsp path/rdesktop -k us mytsserv > > I haven't tried, but since artsd got builtin support for network > connections > it might be possible to redirect sound from the terminal server to artsd > directly.... > > oh.. I missed the -r sound flag but you get the general idea :) > I just tried this (on 5 beta 5) with the following command line using esd: esddsp --server=$ESPEAKER rdesktop -D -xm -P -a 16 $LTSP_RDP_SERVER -r disk:home=$USERHOME -g workarea -r sound and it nominally works. Well, sort of. It has atrocious lag. I'm not counting terribly precisely, but it comes out at around 5 seconds. That's ok for playing with but doesn't cut the mustard for real usage. When I use rdesktop from the console it works normally with almost no lag. Angus Carr. From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Thu Jun 15 20:38:04 2006 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:38:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Tech Supervisor Position in Cottage Grove, OR Posted Message-ID: <1150403884.5194.57.camel@localhost> Colleagues- The job I mentioned the other day in Cottage Grove has been officially posted. The posting can be downloaded from http://www.slane.k12.or.us/index.pl/home/departments/personnel . The closing date for applications is the 21st of June, so if you are interested, get those resume's polished up and sent in ASAP. Several of you asked why I am leaving South Lane after my previous announcement. Simply put, I've been presented an opportunity to do really interesting work with a company in Corvallis, and I decided that if I'm going to take a risk with my career, that time is now. Who knows? Maybe in a year I'll come crawling back and beg for my old job back, but the only way to find out is to try, so here I go! It was a tough choice as South Lane is a really great place to work with a really outstanding group of people. There will be a lot that I will miss down here. Additionally, there is also an "Integrated Technology" position posted at the link above. This is a teaching position at Cottage Grove High School in our state of the art Engineering Technology lab. This thing is really incredible. The date on the posting indicates that they have closed it, but they are still looking for good applicants. Their initial pool was less than they had hoped, so if you are inclined to make a move to the beautiful southern Willamette Valley, this also might be a good opportunity for you get it done. -- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, OR (541)767-3778 http://www.slane.k12.or.us From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Fri Jun 16 11:55:39 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry Cisna) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 06:55:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP- WINS entry ? Message-ID: <1150458939.21359.3.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Hello All, Could someone here possibly give some insight on how to add a WINS entry into the dhcp.conf file? On our network ( dont know why?), we have to manually enter the WINS number on each Windows hard drive machine, in order for these machines to "see" our Windows domain controller. Id like to figure out how to transparently enter this information into the dhcp.conf file on out Linux dhcp server. In other words out dhcp Linux server ip address is 172.28.8.66 How would i enter this number to delve out this info to Windows boxes? Thanks, Barry Cisna From les at futuresource.com Fri Jun 16 12:34:33 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:34:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP- WINS entry ? In-Reply-To: <1150458939.21359.3.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> References: <1150458939.21359.3.camel@hi2.wc235.k12.il.us> Message-ID: <1150461273.9656.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 06:55, Barry Cisna wrote: > Could someone here possibly give some insight on how to add a WINS entry > into the dhcp.conf file? On our network ( dont know why?), we have to > manually enter the WINS number on each Windows hard drive machine, in > order for these machines to "see" our Windows domain controller. Id like > to figure out how to transparently enter this information into the > dhcp.conf file on out Linux dhcp server. > In other words out dhcp Linux server ip address is 172.28.8.66 > How would i enter this number to delve out this info to Windows boxes? option netbios-name-servers 172.28.8.66; If there is more than one, this can be a comma separated list. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From steven at simplycircus.com Fri Jun 16 18:59:30 2006 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:59:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Time tracking In-Reply-To: <4491C4B5.1070905@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: I am forwarding the following from another list I am on. Any ideas of software packages that might work? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: PO BOX 620753 Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 781-799-4938 eFax: 309-214-0899 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com How are people keeping track of student's required crew hours? I have been looking into some software packages that deal with tracking timecards. Most are way over the top, but I have found some that deal with club type of membership and events tracking. I would prefer to use something online, that would allow students to check their accumulated time to date and also allow supervisors access as well. another exploration that I started is into software packages that would allow students to sign up for open slots in future work calls. Ideally, I would like to see an online calendar that I can list all the work calls for the semester and students can sign up in advance. The software would click off the slots and close a work call once it is filled. It would also alert the supervisor via an e-mail they could also attach an attendance sheet. any ideas or suggestions? -- Thanks and take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences @ Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Jun 16 19:43:57 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:43:57 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] new K12LTSP 5.0 beta (#8) Message-ID: <061620061943.10412.449309FD0005BC53000028AC22092246279C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> I have downloaded the beta 8 and anaconda crashes when trying to load glibc. it says to report this as a bug, but ... how do I get the text from the screen captured to anything to send? It is some sort of file access issue, or so it seems. This is on a supermicro mb with a adaptec 2010s controller, so I am using the i2o_block device driver (was running 4.2 without issues). Not sure if this is a problem with the image, the hardware, etc. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Eric Harrison > On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Rasmus Ory Nielsen wrote: > > > Hi Eric, > > > > man, 12 06 2006 kl. 22:05 -0700, skrev Eric Harrison: > >> This build fixes a number of small details, but does not fix the big > >> "keyboard layout changes crash terminals" bug. > > > > It sounds like you are talking about the problem described in this mail > > thread: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net/msg27216.html > > > > Thanks, > > Rasmus Ory Nielsen > > I can confirm that this will work as a temporary fix, it will hold us > over until it is fixed the right way. > > I'll have a new set of test packages out late tonight or tomorrow. > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Jun 16 19:06:12 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:06:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] STARTX and RDESKTOP, Defaulting to RDESKTOP Message-ID: <200606161948.k5GJm84l003929@mx1.redhat.com> All, I'm having a weird issue...weird to me but I'm hoping others have encountered it and found a solution. We currently have Ubuntu 6.06 running the latest LTSP 4.2. In the lts.conf I have: SCREEN_01 = startx SCREEN_02 = rdesktop -fa Now when the clients boot up they automatically go to SCREEN_02 and show the Windows Terminal Server login screen instead of defaulting to SCREEN_01. Has anyone else experienced this? Is it something I am doing or missing? How can I fix this so that it will default back to SCREEN_01? To add, I have made 'SCREEN_02 = shell' before and it didn't default to bash. Thanks in advance! Thanks! :) -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Director of Information Technology Epping School District P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Scott From chan at sacredsf.org Fri Jun 16 20:47:32 2006 From: chan at sacredsf.org (Hoover Chan) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] End Of Year Cleaning In-Reply-To: <4491A73A.7070703@remc1.org> References: <200606151756.k5FHuY06031122@mx1.redhat.com> <4491A06C.40006@paasda.org> <4491A73A.7070703@remc1.org> Message-ID: I have a system where I put each grade/class level into a separate directory by year of predicted high school graduation (I'm at a K-12 school so this number becomes a constant instead of simply year of graduation in which case there's also an 8th grade graduation). At the end of each school year, I just go to the directory for that year and remove all the accounts contained there. -------------------------------------------------- Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org Technology Network Coordinator Schools of the Sacred Heart 2222 Broadway St. San Francisco, CA 94115 From mo_luscre at mogadore.net Fri Jun 16 21:14:53 2006 From: mo_luscre at mogadore.net (Anthony Luscre) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:14:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Please Review & Comment In-Reply-To: References: <200606151756.k5FHuY06031122@mx1.redhat.com> <4491A06C.40006@paasda.org> <4491A73A.7070703@remc1.org> Message-ID: <44931F4D.3000208@mogadore.net> I am doing a presentation to a group of Tech Coordiantors all around the state of Ohio later this month. I have put together a small booklet on K12LTSP and could use your help. I know just enough to be dangerous, but really would like to let others know about this great project. So if you could download and review my booklet and send me any suggestions/corrections I would be very thankful. This is only a rough draft and my expert editor (my wife) will proof it for grammar, spelling, syntax, etc. so you only need to review it for content. The booklet is available as a PDF at http://www.mogadore.net/K12LTSP_booklet.pdf . After downloading it is much easier to read if you print it out on two side legal paper and fold into booklet. Thanks Anthony (A long time reader but a very infrequent writer to the list) -- -----Anthony A. Luscre------ ---Director of Technology--- ---Mogadore Local Schools--- -----Mogadore, Ohio--------- http://www.mogadore.net/tech Visit our Homepage http:/www.mogadore.net Visit our Portal http://www.mogadore.net/portal_pages.html From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Jun 17 05:15:13 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:15:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Shutting clients down: was tight vnc connection to ltsp client refused (111 error) In-Reply-To: <449042F7.9070803@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <9bd317560606140917l36cdac97v357e89dc0fd77905@mail.gmail.com> <449042F7.9070803@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: Of course if cron (or At) was running on the thin clients (and they all have the same read only file system. Then it should indeeed shutdown any clients that are on if you set the job for a specific time. I'm not sure that the thin client is loading those programs though. On Jun 14, 2006, at 12:10 PM, Angus Carr wrote: > Could you not set up a cron job which fires off a local program on > the terminal? > ssh -l root ${TERMINAL} haltsys > > As long as there is appropriate keying, and the keys in use don't > have passphrases, it should be no problem. > > I keep thinking an automated shutdown with our kiosk terminals > would be great. I keep meaning to set up the automatic turning on > features, too, but I'm not sure I want to. I'd have to send the > wake on lan magic packet, but my terminals (Old Dell's) aren't > responding. One day, I will figure it out, but that day is not today. > > Angus Carr. > > Peter Hartmann wrote: >> Wow! How I've been pining for that ability. To have a cron job >> shutting down all terminals at night would be fantastic. I can't >> tell >> you how many times I've come in on a Saturday to a 100 degree F >> computer lab! Ugly waste!! Would it be possible to remove the >> shutdown function from run_ltspinfod and give it to a seperate >> command >> with higher permissions? >> >> From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Jun 17 05:27:15 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:27:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] advice needed: Moving to Open Office In-Reply-To: <20060614225146.2760.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060614225146.2760.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This same thing can happen in the same versions of Word if you are on computers that have different fonts installed. It's not an OpenOffice issue as much as a font issue. Secondly, Word and OpenOffice are Word Processors, not Desktop Publishing programs. They aren't designed for layout consistency like Publisher, Scribus, Quark, InDesign... That's the fundamental problem, you are using a word processor when the tool you apparently really want is a DTP program. On Jun 14, 2006, at 5:51 PM, Rob Owens wrote: > One thing that grieves me is that the default font for > OpenOffice in Windows seems to be different than the > default font for OpenOffice in Linux. This means that > if you switch back and forth between those two > platforms when editing a document, the layout isn't > always the same. (This is due to the fact that some > fonts fit more letters on a line than others). I > noticed this when doing resumes and other documents > where I was trying to get the text to fit "just right" > on the page. > > I'm sure there are ways around this issue, I just > don't know what they are... > > --- john wrote: From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Jun 17 05:29:09 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:29:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ping not responding to name In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do you have a master browser setup? Is you SAMBA machine a PDC? What can you tell us about your setup. On Jun 14, 2006, at 2:15 PM, Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > Hi, > I have a K12LTSP 4.2.1 set up with SMBLDAP authentication. > When I try to ping a computer in the windows workgroup by name it > never responds. It does respond to the ip address however. > It also takes a long time for all the computers in the workgroup to > come up when you click "View workgroup computers" in windows. > Another thing that seems related it that a short time after > installing SMBLDAP and a couple of new windows xp computers my > cygwin logons to K12LTSP became really slow. (Like ten minutes.) > > Any clues how to fix this? > Is it to do with Wins, dns etc.? > > -- > Please use my new email address- > krsnendu108 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Jun 17 06:43:18 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 01:43:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] GoogleEarth on client In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What video card/chip is the client using?? On Jun 15, 2006, at 3:33 PM, Jim Christiansen wrote: > Wow, googleearth on linux! I tried it on our HP5515 clients > running xserver=auto and =ati... Google Earth gives an error that > the computer is running software opengl and that it will be slow. > Guess what- it is realllllly slow. > > How can I get these clients with ati rage chips to run opengl > drivers? I'm using the beta FC5-64 tests of Erics. > > Is there even a way? > > Thanks, Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Jun 17 07:02:14 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 02:02:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Time tracking In-Reply-To: <44930BCE.1030802@remc1.org> References: <44930BCE.1030802@remc1.org> Message-ID: <8E9725D8-28C6-4D51-A27F-B7BA8DE6D84F@mindfirestudios.com> You might look at RequestTracker http://www.bestpractical.com/. or possibly Timesheet http://www.journyx.com/? I haven't used them so I can't say if they are what you are looking for or not, but they seem similar to what you described. On Jun 16, 2006, at 2:51 PM, Scott Sherrill wrote: > Steven Santos wrote: >> I am forwarding the following from another list I am on. Any >> ideas of >> software packages that might work? >> >> >> > > Not 100% sure it will meet all your needs but we use outboard a php > app to track our student help desk workers. Peg in/out, > administrator reports and even print time cards. > > http://www.aces.edu/~richardf/outboard/ > > > Something to consider anyway. > > > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sat Jun 17 11:29:06 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 06:29:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP- WINS entry ? Message-ID: <61743.74.32.253.236.1150543746.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Les, Thanks for the WINS howto. that worked like a charm! Thanks, Barry Cisna From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sat Jun 17 11:38:07 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 06:38:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] schooltool startup no go Message-ID: <61768.74.32.253.236.1150544287.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Hello All, Has anyone been able to get either schoolbell or schooltool to startup correctly at bootup? The only way i can make either of them run is to start them as a daemon. simply: :schooltool It runs fine this way but of course when i close this terminal schooltool is no longer running:(. This has happened this way for me on both FC3 and FC4. I am trying to get this running nonstop so a couple of admins can setup,,a couple of groupwide calenders for next schoolyear. If i try and start from the init script for either, i get [root at xyz ~]# Reading configuration from /etc/schooltool/schooltool.conf Could not initialize the database: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/schooltool/Data.fs' ..or... same only with Data.tmp the next time trying to start. ( I've cleard out these two files trying to start fresh and still same results) Thanks, Barry Cisna From steven at simplycircus.com Sat Jun 17 13:54:52 2006 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:54:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Time tracking In-Reply-To: <8E9725D8-28C6-4D51-A27F-B7BA8DE6D84F@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: Thanks everyone, these answers have been teriffic! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: PO BOX 620753 Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 781-799-4938 eFax: 309-214-0899 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Burke Almquist > Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 3:02 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Time tracking > > > You might look at RequestTracker http://www.bestpractical.com/. > or possibly Timesheet http://www.journyx.com/? > > I haven't used them so I can't say if they are what you are looking > for or not, but they seem similar to what you described. > > On Jun 16, 2006, at 2:51 PM, Scott Sherrill wrote: > > > Steven Santos wrote: > >> I am forwarding the following from another list I am on. Any > >> ideas of > >> software packages that might work? > >> > >> > >> > > > > Not 100% sure it will meet all your needs but we use outboard a php > > app to track our student help desk workers. Peg in/out, > > administrator reports and even print time cards. > > > > http://www.aces.edu/~richardf/outboard/ > > > > > > Something to consider anyway. > > > > > > Scott > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From baci at harborcityschool.org Sat Jun 17 15:03:04 2006 From: baci at harborcityschool.org (Chris Bacigalupo) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:03:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Midwest K12LTSP Conf. In-Reply-To: <42DC3256.7000306@hosef.org> References: <1088187180.29060.51.camel@localhost> <1121555712.13679.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <42DC3256.7000306@hosef.org> Message-ID: <1150556584.7317.23.camel@linux.site> Just a quick note to say thanks to Petre for setting up a GREAT conference. It was awesome to put a face on, and meet new, people. I'm really inspired to continue to grow this community. -- Chris Bacigalupo Technology Coordinator-Educator Harbor Citiy International School 332 w. Mich St., Duluth MN 55802 From dahopkins at comcast.net Sat Jun 17 16:34:55 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:34:55 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 9 does not install on system with zero channel i20 Message-ID: <061720061634.2876.44942F2F0009359500000B3C22092299279C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> I have tried installing Beta8 and Beta9 on my system which has an Adaptec 2010s zero channel controller. Anaconda crashes (at random points during the install). I have selected the i20_block device for the install. I do not see an option to selet dpt_i2o as the driver. From Adaptec's website, there are not any applicable downloads. To check my sanity, I have also installed 4.4.1 and 4.2.3EL on the same system over the last 24 hours. Both of these versions install without issues. However, beta9 will not install. The only clue I have that it 'should' work is from http://i2o.shadowconnect.com/faq.php#desciption To configure I2O in the 2.6 kernel you have to enable the following modules: Device Drivers ---> I2O device support ---> I2O support I2O PCI support I2O Block OSM I2O SCSI OSM I2O /proc support Anyhow, any assistance in getting beta9 to install on this system would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School From dahopkins at comcast.net Sat Jun 17 22:33:24 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (Dave Hopkins) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:33:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta 9 does not install on system with zero channel i20 In-Reply-To: <061720061634.2876.44942F2F0009359500000B3C22092299279C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <061720061634.2876.44942F2F0009359500000B3C22092299279C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <44948334.3040306@comcast.net> Ok, this one has driven me to distraction, but apparently there is an issue with Adaptec i2o https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=189570 , for the end of this "This fix will be present in 2.6.17. Is there any chance of anyone backporting it into 2.6.16 before Fedora goes 2.6.17?" For the present, a possible work around is to use pci=routeirq . Haven't tested this yet, will try to get back over to the school (late) tonight and do so. At any rate, my luck with the IT gods is continuing to hold true to form :) dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > I have tried installing Beta8 and Beta9 on my system which has an Adaptec 2010s zero channel controller. Anaconda crashes (at random points during the install). I have selected the i20_block device for the install. I do not see an option to selet dpt_i2o as the driver. From Adaptec's website, there are not any applicable downloads. > > To check my sanity, I have also installed 4.4.1 and 4.2.3EL on the same system over the last 24 hours. Both of these versions install without issues. However, beta9 will not install. > > The only clue I have that it 'should' work is from > http://i2o.shadowconnect.com/faq.php#desciption > > To configure I2O in the 2.6 kernel you have to enable the following modules: > > Device Drivers ---> > I2O device support ---> > I2O support > I2O PCI support > I2O Block OSM > I2O SCSI OSM > I2O /proc support > > Anyhow, any assistance in getting beta9 to install on this system would be greatly appreciated. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > Newark Charter School > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From daengbo at gmail.com Sun Jun 18 02:40:11 2006 From: daengbo at gmail.com (Daniel Bo) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:40:11 +0900 Subject: [K12OSN] schooltool startup no go In-Reply-To: <61768.74.32.253.236.1150544287.squirrel@216.24.126.68> References: <61768.74.32.253.236.1150544287.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: <1150598412.8407.9.camel@danielbo> Barry, You should probably look into the .conf file and find out what user schooltool runs at. It's probably the user "schooltool." I suspect that the directory /var/lib/schooltool was created as root and doesn't give write permissions to the schooltool user. Let's finish that. As root: chown -R /var/lib/schooltool chmod u+rw -R /var/lib/schooltool Hope that fixes the problem. If it doesn't, please post the results of the following commands to the list cat /etc/schooltool/schooltool.conf ls -l /var/lib/schooltool tail /var/log/schooltool/error.log Good luck, Dan On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 06:38 -0500, cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > Hello All, > > Has anyone been able to get either schoolbell or schooltool to startup > correctly at bootup? The only way i can make either of them run is to > start them as a daemon. simply: :schooltool > It runs fine this way but of course when i close this terminal schooltool > is no longer running:(. This has happened this way for me on both FC3 and > FC4. I am trying to get this running nonstop so a couple of admins can > setup,,a couple of groupwide calenders for next schoolyear. > If i try and start from the init script for either, i get > [root at xyz ~]# Reading configuration from /etc/schooltool/schooltool.conf > Could not initialize the database: > [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/schooltool/Data.fs' > ..or... same only with Data.tmp the next time trying to start. > ( I've cleard out these two files trying to start fresh and still same > results) > > Thanks, > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From timothy.hart at gmail.com Sun Jun 18 16:16:06 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 12:16:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PPC Ubuntu and FreeNX Message-ID: <464c38cc0606180916g7977ec39r72c009fa0b1f8f46@mail.gmail.com> Hey everyone, I ahve just installed Ubunut Dapper on an ibook G4. Running beyond my expectations. I would like to do some presenting with the laptop but alas the video out isn't supported. I was think VNC or Remote Desktop. Remote Desktop works but it is slow. I then thought of FreeNX, but I don't think they have ported it to PPC Linux have they? Any ideas woul be greatly appreciated. Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sun Jun 18 17:15:33 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 12:15:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] domain name loops back to dsl router Message-ID: <61107.74.32.253.236.1150650933.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Hello ALL, I have a strange one here, or so it is to me. I setup another 4.4.1 K12LTSP box at my house. I got my own domain name for this box,and what is happening is, when i enter my domain name locally the browser winds up redirecting to the dsl modem/router interface that i have from the dsl provider. This is not actually redirecting to ip address of the server ,it is the ip assigned to the router. I have disabled all port forwards trying to reslove it, but still same thing. I am guessing it is something maybe i have setup on the dns provider( easydns). But i surely cant get it figured out:(. I have to vnc to a machine outside my lan in order to make sure for example my home page is working or mailman etc. The website comes up fine on a remote machine so it appears to be working correctly, I can also email fine, with this domain name. In the webrowser i have made sure direct connection to internet is checked just seeing if i can get anything to make it see my domain name locally. Not sure if the nating is causing something in this? Thanks, Barry Cisna From les at futuresource.com Sun Jun 18 17:33:41 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 12:33:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] domain name loops back to dsl router In-Reply-To: <61107.74.32.253.236.1150650933.squirrel@216.24.126.68> References: <61107.74.32.253.236.1150650933.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: <1150652021.27849.60.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2006-06-18 at 12:15, cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > I have a strange one here, or so it is to me. I setup another 4.4.1 > K12LTSP box at my house. I got my own domain name for this box,and what is > happening is, when i enter my domain name locally the browser winds up > redirecting to the dsl modem/router interface that i have from the dsl > provider. > This is not actually redirecting to ip address of the server ,it is the ip > assigned to the router. I have disabled all port forwards trying to > reslove it, but still same thing. I am guessing it is something maybe i > have setup on the dns provider( easydns). But i surely cant get it figured > out:(. I have to vnc to a machine outside my lan in order to make sure for > example my home page is working or mailman etc. > The website comes up fine on a remote machine so it appears to be working > correctly, I can also email fine, with this domain name. In the webrowser > i have made sure direct connection to internet is checked just seeing if i > can get anything to make it see my domain name locally. > Not sure if the nating is causing something in this? Yes it is the nat - most nat routers only apply the nat to a particular interface so when you hit it from 'outside' the nat or port-forwarding applies and you connect to the correct 'inside' address. However if you try to connect to that same address from the inside interface the nat doesn't apply and you just hit the router. The best fix is to set up your own internal DNS server configured to be primary for your domain with the internal addresses for the names. That way the public sees the addresses supplied by your DNS service provider (mapped to the public router address) and your machines see the private natted versions for the same names. If there are only a few boxes you can get the same effect with host file entries. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sun Jun 18 20:39:34 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:39:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Midwest K12LTSP Conf. In-Reply-To: <1150556584.7317.23.camel@linux.site> References: <1088187180.29060.51.camel@localhost> <1121555712.13679.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <42DC3256.7000306@hosef.org> <1150556584.7317.23.camel@linux.site> Message-ID: Ditto that! On Jun 17, 2006, at 10:03 AM, Chris Bacigalupo wrote: > Just a quick note to say thanks to Petre for setting up a GREAT > conference. It was awesome to put a face on, and meet new, people. I'm > really inspired to continue to grow this community. > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sun Jun 18 20:54:32 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:54:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Feature request for K12LTSP 5.1 Message-ID: One thing I thought would be useful, given the expansion of LDAP, is the inclusion of more/different default install options in K12LTSP. What would be nice is something similar to what Skolelinux has. You can install a Main server, an LTSP server, a Combiserver(Main server + LTSP), a workstation, or a standalone. If you install the Main server profile it acts as a SAMBA. LDAP, and NFS /home server out of box, no LTSP, just a server. The Combiserver is both a main and LTSP server in one (For installations that only would use one server). The LTSP only setup gives you an LTSP server that gets it's home and authentication from a main server. Workstation is essentially the LTSP server install without the LTSP portion (still uses NFS /home and LDAP from the main server. And the standalone mode is basically a fedora desktop install. Given the increasing nontechnical audience of K12LTSP, which I was reminded of this week at the NCLINUX conference, I think this would be an extremely helpful new feature. I know Eric is a pretty busy guy, but I thought I should at least mention this idea. Im not really a programmer, so I don't know how much help I'd be, but I'd sure like to help make it happen. I know I'd use that kind of feature. From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sun Jun 18 21:55:27 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:55:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync address for betas Message-ID: I have the rsync address for the 4.4.1 stable release (rsync -avP k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-mirror/ .),but I can't find one for the 5.0 beta. Anyone have the beta rsync link. I have beta 7, no sense downloading the whole thing if I can rsync. From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Sun Jun 18 23:02:32 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:02:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] rsync address for betas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4495DB88.6050500@mesd.k12.or.us> Burke Almquist wrote: > I have the rsync address for the 4.4.1 stable release (rsync -avP > k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-mirror/ .),but I can't find one for the > 5.0 beta. > Anyone have the beta rsync link. I have beta 7, no sense downloading the > whole thing if I can rsync. cd /dir/with/isos for each in $(seq 1 6); do mv K12LTSP-5.0.0-BETA7-32bit-disc$each.iso \ K12LTSP-5.0.0-BETA9-32bit-disc$each.iso; done rsync -avP rsync://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/testing/5.0.0-32bit/iso/ . -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From steven at simplycircus.com Mon Jun 19 00:39:05 2006 From: steven at simplycircus.com (Steven Santos) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:39:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Feature request for K12LTSP 5.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This was sugested a while back (2003?). It was a good idea then, and its a good idea now. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven at SimplyCircus.com Mail: PO BOX 620753 Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 781-799-4938 eFax: 309-214-0899 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Burke Almquist > Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 4:55 PM > To: Support in schools. list for opensource software > Subject: [K12OSN] Feature request for K12LTSP 5.1 > > > One thing I thought would be useful, given the expansion of LDAP, is > the inclusion of more/different default install options in K12LTSP. > What would be nice is something similar to what Skolelinux > has. You > can install a Main server, an LTSP server, a Combiserver(Main server > + LTSP), a workstation, or a standalone. If you install the Main > server profile it acts as a SAMBA. LDAP, and NFS /home server out of > box, no LTSP, just a server. The Combiserver is both a main and LTSP > server in one (For installations that only would use one server). The > LTSP only setup gives you an LTSP server that gets it's home and > authentication from a main server. Workstation is essentially the > LTSP server install without the LTSP portion (still uses NFS /home > and LDAP from the main server. And the standalone mode is basically a > fedora desktop install. > Given the increasing nontechnical audience of K12LTSP, which I was > reminded of this week at the NCLINUX conference, I think this would > be an extremely helpful new feature. I know Eric is a pretty busy > guy, but I thought I should at least mention this idea. Im not really > a programmer, so I don't know how much help I'd be, but I'd sure like > to help make it happen. I know I'd use that kind of feature. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From petre at maltzen.net Mon Jun 19 02:24:22 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:24:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NCLS-TuXlabs for Schools: A smashing success! Message-ID: <44960AD6.5070409@maltzen.net> All- We just finished our 2-day TuXlabs for Schools conference in Minneapolis, and I must say I think it was a terrific success. On Day 1, we gave a series of presentations and demos on K12LTSP. We had about 25 newcomers from around the state of Minnesota attend, representing public and private schools and colleges. Most (all?) newcomers seemed quite interested in what K12LTSP can do for them. Some even offered to help host future events. Hopefully, we will see at least some of them on this list. Day 2 was a seriously geeky series of presentations and discussions about storage methods, the new LDA & the nifty things one can do with FUSE, and the future of LTSP. We got to hear from Chris Hertel from the Samba team, and Scott Balneaves and Jim McQuillan. There were even a few newcomers from the first day present, although I think they all had previous Linux experience. I was delighted at the diversity of technical backgrounds represented, which really made for a fruitful and wide-ranging discussion. So, we all got to evangelize to a captive audience on one of our favorite subjects, and we all got to learn some things (I learned some neat things, anyway). We had several servers and lots of different clients, showing both version 4.4.1 and the 5.0 beta. One clever, serendipitous thing we did was use a thin client at the podium for the OOo Impress presentations. Rather than have each person plug his laptop into the projector, as is usually done, each person just put his presentation onto a USB stick, plugged it into the client, and via the magic of the new LDA in version 5, was able to do the presentation right from the stick. This also makes it much easier to get a copy of each presentation for posting to the website (just drag it onto the desktop, and they all end up on one server). It would have been nice on Day 1 if we could have had a break or two lasting 30-45 minutes in which we would encourage the newcomers to play around with the clients. We did have breaks, and people did play with the clients, but more time for specifically doing so would have been better. The problem is where to find the time for this. As it was, Day 1 ran from 9am to 3:30pm, with an hour or so for lunch. By 3pm people were reaching their saturation point, so we really could not make the day run any longer--although even then people hung around to play with the clients! But we'll have to think about this for future conferences. We'll do it again. Minnesota has a two-day teacher in-service in October every year, so we may move to those days to avoid conflicting with NELS. I want to thank Eric Brown, Jim Kronebusch, Burke Almquist, Joe Wiedenmeier, Jeremy White, Chris Bacigalupo, Bill Schwalbe, and David Markovich for their help in presenting LTSP to the schools. And a thank you to Jim, Scott, and Chris for presenting to us. This truly is a great community, and this was a terrific group effort with wonderful results. I'll get some pictures posted somewhere in a few days. Petre From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Jun 19 03:19:19 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 23:19:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Greetings from NELS 2006! Message-ID: Here we are in beautiful (and a bit hot) Bethel Maine on the gorgeous campus of Gould Academy for the 4th annual Northeast Linux Symposium. We've just finished Day one....and what a day it has been! It's been amazing. Our demographic has changed a little bit since we now have several classroom teachers in attendance in response to our adding a "teacher track" this year. The "teacher track" sessions have been the most popular! That is so cool! Now we're getting the word out to the teachers and not just the geeks. The enthusiasm has been fantastic! We have noted Linux luminaries here....Jon "Maddog" Hall, president of Linux International....Warren Togami, founder of the Fedora Project....Gideon Romm of Symbiont and LTSP developer will be here in the morning...Paul Flint of Edubuntu...and several others. The conversations that are taking place are so neat to be a part of. The ideas flowing back and forth across the table as nearly 30 of us were sitting around a bunch of tables we pushed together down at the "Suds" Pub....drinking micro-brews and talking about the future of Linux and Open Source.....very cool! We're eating like kings....and enjoying all the things we're learning as well as the comraderie. Wish you were here... If you'd like to join us for the 2nd NELS this summer at the University of New Hampshire (July 16-19)....all of the same folks will be there....Maddog....Warren...Gideon....Paul...etc. Jeff Elkner of the Edubuntu project as well as the guys from SchoolTool will also be joining us! Visit the NELS site at http://www.nelinux.net to register! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 19 02:32:51 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] schooltool startup no go In-Reply-To: <61768.74.32.253.236.1150544287.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: <20060619023251.99190.qmail@web31613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Barry, I found this in a posting from March 2005: "You need to start the service.... /sbin/service schoolbell start and if you want it startup everytime you boot: /sbin/chkconfig schoolbell on -Eric" Probably just substitute "schooltool" for "schoolbell" and you should be good to go. David Whitmer ----- Original Message ---- From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us To: k12osn at redhat.com Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 7:38:07 AM Subject: [K12OSN] schooltool startup no go Hello All, Has anyone been able to get either schoolbell or schooltool to startup correctly at bootup? The only way i can make either of them run is to start them as a daemon. simply: :schooltool It runs fine this way but of course when i close this terminal schooltool is no longer running:(. This has happened this way for me on both FC3 and FC4. I am trying to get this running nonstop so a couple of admins can setup,,a couple of groupwide calenders for next schoolyear. If i try and start from the init script for either, i get [root at xyz ~]# Reading configuration from /etc/schooltool/schooltool.conf Could not initialize the database: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/schooltool/Data.fs' ..or... same only with Data.tmp the next time trying to start. ( I've cleard out these two files trying to start fresh and still same results) Thanks, Barry Cisna _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ahodson at elp.rr.com Mon Jun 19 12:51:02 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan Hodson) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:51:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] (OT) K12LTSP/XP dual partition: working ghost image Message-ID: <1150721462.3237.21.camel@HodsonNet1> Greetings fellow enthusiasts Faced with budgetary constraints and pressured by inquisitive minds there is a need at the district level to look into using PCs (mostly Dells) as dual partition machines. While Knoppix and other forensic tools provide a way of partitioning, and K12LTSP provides an ideal dual desktop environ, the quest for an image tool (not necessarily Open Source) is on. Norton/Symantec ghost tool (huge district license) will not provide a working image that out techs can "just drop" into a machine and have it be reborn as a dual boot system... Is there anybody in the list that has had any luck creating a working image of a dual-partitioned hard drive? Please share your experience - Even though I have been a strong advocate of Thin Clients for years, there is now an opportunity to advocate K12LTSP, and I am convinced that if a working DB image is available (something the techs can easily manipulate), the students would embrace the "new" operating system right away. Thanks for any and all suggestions Alan A Hodson TIS/El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org/ -=o=- From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Jun 19 14:20:15 2006 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:20:15 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] (OT) K12LTSP/XP dual partition: working ghost image In-Reply-To: <1150721462.3237.21.camel@HodsonNet1> References: <1150721462.3237.21.camel@HodsonNet1> Message-ID: <4496B29F.4030701@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Alan Hodson wrote: > Greetings fellow enthusiasts > > Faced with budgetary constraints and pressured by inquisitive minds > there is a need at the district level to look into using PCs (mostly > Dells) as dual partition machines. While Knoppix and other forensic > tools provide a way of partitioning, and K12LTSP provides an ideal dual > desktop environ, the quest for an image tool (not necessarily Open > Source) is on. Norton/Symantec ghost tool (huge district license) will > not provide a working image that out techs can "just drop" into a > machine and have it be reborn as a dual boot system... Is there anybody > in the list that has had any luck creating a working image of a > dual-partitioned hard drive? Please share your experience - Even though > I have been a strong advocate of Thin Clients for years, there is now an > opportunity to advocate K12LTSP, and I am convinced that if a working DB > image is available (something the techs can easily manipulate), the > students would embrace the "new" operating system right away. > > Thanks for any and all suggestions > Alan A Hodson > TIS/El Paso ISD, TX > http://links.episd.org/ > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Have a look at g4u (http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/) or ghost for Linux (http://freshmeat.net/projects/g4l/) I've used g4u for cloning for Fedora Core machines that I could do with ghost. Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From les at futuresource.com Mon Jun 19 14:59:42 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:59:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] (OT) K12LTSP/XP dual partition: working ghost image In-Reply-To: <1150721462.3237.21.camel@HodsonNet1> References: <1150721462.3237.21.camel@HodsonNet1> Message-ID: <1150729182.13537.19.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 06:51 -0600, Alan Hodson wrote: > Faced with budgetary constraints and pressured by inquisitive minds > there is a need at the district level to look into using PCs (mostly > Dells) as dual partition machines. While Knoppix and other forensic > tools provide a way of partitioning, and K12LTSP provides an ideal dual > desktop environ, the quest for an image tool (not necessarily Open > Source) is on. Norton/Symantec ghost tool (huge district license) will > not provide a working image that out techs can "just drop" into a > machine and have it be reborn as a dual boot system... Is there anybody > in the list that has had any luck creating a working image of a > dual-partitioned hard drive? Please share your experience - Even though > I have been a strong advocate of Thin Clients for years, there is now an > opportunity to advocate K12LTSP, and I am convinced that if a working DB > image is available (something the techs can easily manipulate), the > students would embrace the "new" operating system right away. First, you might want to consider accessing the k12ltsp system with X running on the windows box instead of needing a separate boot. You may not be able to get sound or the extra features of teachertool to work but it should work fine otherwise. There are at least 2 free versions, cygwin and this: http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/. With X in fullscreen and -query mode you would see little difference from a thin client boot. However, if you really need dual boot from the hard drive and the drives are all identical, a simple dd copy of the whole device should do it. For example, if you connect the disks up as the primary on each ide controller so they become /dev/hda and /dev/hdc you can boot about any run-from-cd linux (for example the k12ltsp first install disk with 'linux rescue' at the boot prompt) you can dd bs=1M if=/dev/hda of=hdc and get an exact copy. There are any number of ways to do the same thing to/from a file accessed over the network if you don't want to swap drives. You'll either need an enterprise licensed XP or you have to sysprep the source before the copy and go through the license process on each copy. If there are hardware differences you may need the sysprep anyway. On the Linux side the only likely problem is that you might have to remove the HWADDR line from /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 so it will work on a different machine. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mvl.1 at newulmtel.net Mon Jun 19 15:05:59 2006 From: mvl.1 at newulmtel.net (mvl.1 at newulmtel.net) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NCLS-TuXlabs for Schools: A smashing success! In-Reply-To: <44960AD6.5070409@maltzen.net> References: <44960AD6.5070409@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <61065.66.60.207.191.1150729559.squirrel@mail.newulmtel.net> Thank you, Peter and all others, for a great conference! As one of those newcomers, I want to offer my appreciation for the efforts expended and the information presented. Another of the teachers at my school, the one who offers courses on computer applications and programming, had planned to attend but was sidetracked by other obligations. I wish he could have been there. He is the first person that I need to get on board if we are to begin implementing LTSP, and it would be hard to duplicate the enthusiasm that was in that room. Peter, will the presentations that were given at the conference become available for download? They would be valuable in reviewing much of what was shared and in passing it on to others. There were some great overviews of Linux and LTSP! Tom Hartwig Minnesota Valley Lutheran High School New Ulm, MN ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using SquirrelMail. NU-Telecom, Inc. http://www.newulmtel.net/ From julius at turtle.com Mon Jun 19 15:10:25 2006 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] (OT) K12LTSP/XP dual partition: working ghost image In-Reply-To: <1150729182.13537.19.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1150721462.3237.21.camel@HodsonNet1> <1150729182.13537.19.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <51825.216.216.171.3.1150729825.squirrel@216.216.171.3> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 06:51 -0600, Alan Hodson wrote: >> Faced with budgetary constraints and pressured by inquisitive minds >> there is a need at the district level to look into using PCs (mostly >> Dells) as dual partition machines. While Knoppix and other forensic >> tools provide a way of partitioning, and K12LTSP provides an ideal dual >> desktop environ, the quest for an image tool (not necessarily Open >> Source) is on. Norton/Symantec ghost tool (huge district license) will >> not provide a working image that out techs can "just drop" into a >> machine and have it be reborn as a dual boot system... Is there anybody >> in the list that has had any luck creating a working image of a >> dual-partitioned hard drive? Please share your experience - Even though >> I have been a strong advocate of Thin Clients for years, there is now an >> opportunity to advocate K12LTSP, and I am convinced that if a working DB >> image is available (something the techs can easily manipulate), the >> students would embrace the "new" operating system right away. > > First, you might want to consider accessing the k12ltsp system with > X running on the windows box instead of needing a separate boot. You > may not be able to get sound or the extra features of teachertool to > work but it should work fine otherwise. There are at least 2 free > versions, cygwin and this: http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/. > With X in fullscreen and -query mode you would see little difference > from a thin client boot. > > However, if you really need dual boot from the hard drive and the > drives are all identical, a simple dd copy of the whole device > should do it. For example, if you connect the disks up as > the primary on each ide controller so they become /dev/hda and /dev/hdc > you can boot about any run-from-cd linux (for example the k12ltsp first > install disk with 'linux rescue' at the boot prompt) you can > dd bs=1M if=/dev/hda of=hdc > and get an exact copy. There are any number of ways to do the > same thing to/from a file accessed over the network if you don't > want to swap drives. You'll either need an enterprise licensed XP > or you have to sysprep the source before the copy and go through > the license process on each copy. If there are hardware differences > you may need the sysprep anyway. On the Linux side the only likely > problem is that you might have to remove the HWADDR line from > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 so it will work on > a different machine. > > -- > Les Mikesell > There is another option, that obviates the need for imaging many drives: Use thin terminals only on K12Ltsp, configure them with rdesktop as the second app (or run rdesktop as a user program). This presumes that setting up beefy enough windows servers is in the same ball park as running windows locally. In my experience it is cheaper, when I account for maintenance involved with local copies of windows. julius -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFElr5h2LhlZOaj6vURAvMrAJ47G6tgS7iSsGdpZw8i0YhbmlbaewCgkGsH dViTObH541zK0qZLLayUOEY= =q4m5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jun 19 18:59:57 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:59:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NCLS-TuXlabs for Schools: A smashing success! In-Reply-To: <44960AD6.5070409@maltzen.net> References: <44960AD6.5070409@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20060619185944.M66844@winonacotter.org> On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:24:22 -0500, Peter Scheie wrote > All- > We just finished our 2-day TuXlabs for Schools conference in > Minneapolis, and I must say I think it was a terrific success. On > Day 1, we gave a series of presentations and demos on K12LTSP. We > had about 25 newcomers from around the state of Minnesota attend, > representing public and private schools and colleges. Most (all?) > newcomers seemed quite interested in what K12LTSP can do for them. > Some even offered to help host future events. Hopefully, we will > see at least some of them on this list. I agree, it was awesome. I can't wait for this to grow in the way that David's NELS has. David, quit posting, you make me wish I was out there :-) I will try and get two new tabs added to the nclinux.net site this afternoon. I will add a section for downloads, and a photo gallery. I will put the presentations in the downloads section and Petre can upload the photos to the gallery. Thanks to all those who attended. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jun 19 19:36:42 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:36:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NCLS-TuXlabs for Schools: A smashing success! In-Reply-To: <20060619185944.M66844@winonacotter.org> References: <44960AD6.5070409@maltzen.net> <20060619185944.M66844@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20060619193531.M24497@winonacotter.org> > I will try and get two new tabs added to the nclinux.net site this afternoon. > I will add a section for downloads, and a photo gallery. I will put > the presentations in the downloads section and Petre can upload the > photos to the gallery. The new tabs are up and ready to go. I have added all the presentations that I had, and have uploaded a test photo to the gallery. Petre, let me know if you have any trouble uploading the photos. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at midmaine.com Mon Jun 19 20:47:30 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 4th grade typing progs Message-ID: <10907.169.244.70.146.1150750050.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> anyone have suggestions for linux typing programs beyond ktouch and tuxtype for 4th grade level? chuck From wipf_jonte at havenschool.org Mon Jun 19 21:15:09 2006 From: wipf_jonte at havenschool.org (Jonte' Wipf) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:15:09 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) Subject: [K12OSN] 4th grade typing progs References: <10907.169.244.70.146.1150750050.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <449713DD.000001.01132@ENTRY64> Hello Yes, there is an excellent solution that we use in our school called Typing Master. It's is a very good product, that allows you the set up users and groups of users, you can administer and watch their progress and how they are doing throughout the program. It is based on IBM's Swani Language of programming, and uses Java for it's interactivity. It is super lightweight and runs well over a network. We use it for all grades... It works well for all grades k - 12 Licensing per workstation is $20 a workstation and NEVER expire. Go to www.typingmaster.com (its available for ALL computer platforms.) Sincerely Jonte -------Original Message------- From: cliebow at midmaine.com Date: 06/19/06 15:44:57 To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] 4th grade typing progs anyone have suggestions for linux typing programs beyond ktouch and tuxtype for 4th grade level? chuck _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It works well for all grades k - 12 > Licensing per workstation is $20 a workstation and NEVER expire. > > Go to www.typingmaster.com (its available for ALL computer platforms.) > > Sincerely > Jonte > > -------Original Message------- > > From: cliebow at midmaine.com > Date: 06/19/06 15:44:57 > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] 4th grade typing progs > > anyone have suggestions for linux typing programs beyond ktouch and > tuxtype for 4th grade level? chuck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From wipf_jonte at havenschool.org Mon Jun 19 22:21:26 2006 From: wipf_jonte at havenschool.org (Jonte' Wipf) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:21:26 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) Subject: [K12OSN] 4th grade typing progs References: <35055.70.33.151.214.1150754929.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <44972366.000005.01132@ENTRY64> Don't know if ldap connections work with it... we use SuSE 10.0 and connect to server via VNC so all I know is that it works that way. I'm hoping it'll work with K12LTSP too, but until someone tries we wont know. Call the company, Typing Master, they were quite helpful when I called them and the waiting isn't long at all. - Jonte -------Original Message------- From: cliebow at midmaine.com Date: 06/19/06 17:06:20 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] 4th grade typing progs Thank you..we'll look er over!..ldap connection for users/groups? chuck > Hello > Yes, there is an excellent solution that we use in our school called > Typing > Master. It's is a very good product, that allows you the set up users and > groups of users, you can administer and watch their progress and how they > are doing throughout the program. It is based on IBM's Swani Language of > programming, and uses Java for it's interactivity. It is super lightweight > and runs well over a network. > > We use it for all grades... It works well for all grades k - 12 > Licensing per workstation is $20 a workstation and NEVER expire. > > Go to www.typingmaster.com (its available for ALL computer platforms.) > > Sincerely > Jonte > > -------Original Message------- > > From: cliebow at midmaine.com > Date: 06/19/06 15:44:57 > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] 4th grade typing progs > > anyone have suggestions for linux typing programs beyond ktouch and > tuxtype for 4th grade level? chuck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm just a beginner to all the Linux stuff but I'd still like to help to make Linux a success and a viable solution for schools. - Jonte -------Original Message------- From: Jim Kronebusch Date: 06/19/06 14:02:37 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] NCLS-TuXlabs for Schools: A smashing success! On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:24:22 -0500, Peter Scheie wrote > All- > We just finished our 2-day TuXlabs for Schools conference in > Minneapolis, and I must say I think it was a terrific success. On > Day 1, we gave a series of presentations and demos on K12LTSP. We > had about 25 newcomers from around the state of Minnesota attend, > representing public and private schools and colleges. Most (all?) > newcomers seemed quite interested in what K12LTSP can do for them. > Some even offered to help host future events. Hopefully, we will > see at least some of them on this list. I agree, it was awesome. I can't wait for this to grow in the way that David's NELS has. David, quit posting, you make me wish I was out there :-) I will try and get two new tabs added to the nclinux.net site this afternoon I will add a section for downloads, and a photo gallery. I will put the presentations in the downloads section and Petre can upload the photos to the gallery. Thanks to all those who attended. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jun 20 00:26:03 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:26:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NCLS-TuXlabs for Schools: A smashing success! In-Reply-To: <449724B3.000007.01132@ENTRY64> References: <20060619185944.M66844@winonacotter.org> <449724B3.000007.01132@ENTRY64> Message-ID: <20060620002326.M74140@winonacotter.org> On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:26:59 -0500 (Central Daylight Time), Jonte' Wipf wrote > Yeah, thanks to all who made the K12LTSP conference in Minneapolis possible! > I was totally new to the project and it is definitely something were > interested in. Perhaps the greatest benefit for me was seeing that other > schools around Minnesota are "using" Linux throughout their > schools... even the "classroom" projects were super inspiring. Some > of us use Linux in a different way, but I think the K12LTSP project > would be a much simpler and easier way to accomplishing this task. > Thank you guys so much for putting this on. > > PS. Please put me down as a contributor in whichever way I can, for > the next K12LTSP conference here in Minnesota. I'm just a beginner > to all the Linux stuff but I'd still like to help to make Linux a > success and a viable solution for schools. > > - Jonte Jonte, glad to see you joined the list! I hope you were able to get LTSP 4.2 downloaded and installed on either your production server or a test SUSE 10.1 server. I would recommend posting that you are looking to install LTSP 4.2 (from www.ltsp.org) on a SUSE 10.1 server here and see if anyone has any tips for you. I am sure that Petre will add you to the list for the next conference! -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From phanh at canby.k12.or.us Tue Jun 20 00:55:09 2006 From: phanh at canby.k12.or.us (Hung Phan) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:55:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP authentication reset Message-ID: <24226769-5463-45D0-AF1C-8C7694C3DF68@canby.k12.or.us> Hi, all I follow this instruction to config my LTSP clients to authenticate against Mac OS X server Open Directory. I play around with LDAP setting and set it incorrectly (rather than the server IP, I put the Base DN). Now I cannot login using the local user (admin or student accounts that I created) Is there anyway to get back in to reset the setting through command line or GUI? And anyone actually get LTSP clients to authenticate with Mac OS 10.4.6 Open Directory? I read posts stated to use NFS mount but have no steps listed. Please give me the links if you got it work? Thanks, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Tue Jun 20 02:19:54 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Peter Scheie) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:19:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NCLS-TuXlabs for Schools: A smashing success! In-Reply-To: <20060619193531.M24497@winonacotter.org> References: <44960AD6.5070409@maltzen.net> <20060619185944.M66844@winonacotter.org> <20060619193531.M24497@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <44975B4A.1040103@maltzen.net> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>I will try and get two new tabs added to the nclinux.net site this afternoon. >>I will add a section for downloads, and a photo gallery. I will put >>the presentations in the downloads section and Petre can upload the >>photos to the gallery. > > > The new tabs are up and ready to go. I have added all the presentations that > I had, and have uploaded a test photo to the gallery. > > Petre, let me know if you have any trouble uploading the photos. > Jim- In my folder that I put on the desktop of user1 at the conference, there was also an Impress file called support_and_documentation.otp that should also go on the website. If you can't find it, let me know and I'll send it to you. Petre From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Jun 20 04:51:22 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:51:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Ablog about NELS 2006 from a classroom teacher! Message-ID: Deborah White has written up a nice blurb about NELS [ http://flickatomte.googlepages.com/ourlinuxadventure ] and it fits in well as a description of Gould Day 2. Just search the page for "NELS 2006". Thanks, Deborah! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From nadavkav at netvision.net.il Tue Jun 20 05:13:44 2006 From: nadavkav at netvision.net.il (Nadav Kavalerchik) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:13:44 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] (OT) K12LTSP/XP dual partition: working ghost image In-Reply-To: <1150721462.3237.21.camel@HodsonNet1> References: <1150721462.3237.21.camel@HodsonNet1> Message-ID: <200606200813.44270.nadavkav@netvision.net.il> On Monday 19 June 2006 15:51, Alan Hodson wrote: > Greetings fellow enthusiasts > > Faced with budgetary constraints and pressured by inquisitive minds > there is a need at the district level to look into using PCs (mostly > Dells) as dual partition machines. While Knoppix and other forensic > tools provide a way of partitioning, and K12LTSP provides an ideal dual > desktop environ, the quest for an image tool (not necessarily Open > Source) is on. Norton/Symantec ghost tool (huge district license) will > not provide a working image that out techs can "just drop" into a > machine and have it be reborn as a dual boot system... Is there anybody > in the list that has had any luck creating a working image of a > dual-partitioned hard drive? i used mondo to burn a dvd with the entire hard disk image ( all partitiions, or just the ones you use) and now we duplicate ltsp machines from this rescue dvd in 30 min. (on the same hardware) http://www.mondorescue.org/ if you just want to partition copy on of the partition or save it to a file... http://www.partimage.org/Main_Page ( i use it too, very cool tool :-) enjoy :-) From baci at harborcityschool.org Tue Jun 20 12:25:42 2006 From: baci at harborcityschool.org (Chris Bacigalupo) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:25:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NCLS-TuXlabs for Schools: A smashing success! In-Reply-To: <20060620002326.M74140@winonacotter.org> References: <20060619185944.M66844@winonacotter.org> <449724B3.000007.01132@ENTRY64> <20060620002326.M74140@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1150806342.6658.1.camel@linux.site> On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 19:26 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:26:59 -0500 (Central Daylight Time), Jonte' Wipf wrote > > Yeah, thanks to all who made the K12LTSP conference in Minneapolis > possible! > > I was totally new to the project and it is definitely something were > > interested in. Perhaps the greatest benefit for me was seeing that other > > schools around Minnesota are "using" Linux throughout their > > schools... even the "classroom" projects were super inspiring. Some > > of us use Linux in a different way, but I think the K12LTSP project > > would be a much simpler and easier way to accomplishing this task. > > Thank you guys so much for putting this on. > > > > PS. Please put me down as a contributor in whichever way I can, for > > the next K12LTSP conference here in Minnesota. I'm just a beginner > > to all the Linux stuff but I'd still like to help to make Linux a > > success and a viable solution for schools. > > > > - Jonte > > Jonte, glad to see you joined the list! > > I hope you were able to get LTSP 4.2 downloaded and installed on either your > production server or a test SUSE 10.1 server. > > I would recommend posting that you are looking to install LTSP 4.2 (from > www.ltsp.org) on a SUSE 10.1 server here and see if anyone has any tips for > you. > > I am sure that Petre will add you to the list for the next conference! > Jonte, as you know we're running LTSP 4.2 and SUSE 10.1 so please feel free to email me with any questions. >>baci From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jun 20 12:58:04 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:58:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NCLS-TuXlabs for Schools: A smashing success! In-Reply-To: <44975B4A.1040103@maltzen.net> References: <44960AD6.5070409@maltzen.net> <20060619185944.M66844@winonacotter.org> <20060619193531.M24497@winonacotter.org> <44975B4A.1040103@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20060620125737.M96574@winonacotter.org> > Jim- > In my folder that I put on the desktop of user1 at the conference, > there was also an Impress file called support_and_documentation.otp > that should also go on the website. If you can't find it, let me > know and I'll send it to you. I just put it out there now. Let me know if anything else is missing. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From haynest at mchsi.com Tue Jun 20 13:32:40 2006 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Thomas E. Haynes) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:32:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] (OT) K12LTSP/XP dual partition: working ghost image In-Reply-To: <200606200813.44270.nadavkav@netvision.net.il> Message-ID: <200606201405.k5KE5LJo002269@mx1.redhat.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Nadav Kavalerchik > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:14 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] (OT) K12LTSP/XP dual partition: working ghost image > > i used mondo to burn a dvd with the entire hard disk image ( all > partitiions, > or just the ones you use) and now we duplicate ltsp machines from this > rescue > dvd in 30 min. (on the same hardware) > http://www.mondorescue.org/ > > if you just want to partition copy on of the partition or save it to a > file... > http://www.partimage.org/Main_Page > I second the Mondo recommendation. This is a really great program, and I have used it for "bare metal" installations of images. It resizes partitions to be proportional to the original with just a "nuke" command, so there is no fooling with partition tables if you are moving to slightly different hard drive size. It just works. Somewhere I have a Mondo howto I wrote for the ClarkConnect machine we were using at the time. I have also used partimage from the sysrescue CD to restore WinXP and linux partitions. It requires a little more from the user, but has the option of installing from a network partition image server. The base image for my laptop was backed up with partimage, and restored to another partition on the same machine. Mess with boot.ini, and you can have a "daily driver" and an installation to play with (and restore if you break it). Regards... Tom From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jun 20 15:38:45 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:38:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP authentication reset In-Reply-To: <24226769-5463-45D0-AF1C-8C7694C3DF68@canby.k12.or.us> References: <24226769-5463-45D0-AF1C-8C7694C3DF68@canby.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <44981685.2080001@mesd.k12.or.us> Hung Phan wrote: > Hi, all > > I follow this instruction > to > config my LTSP clients to authenticate against Mac OS X server Open > Directory. I play around with LDAP setting and set it incorrectly > (rather than the server IP, I put the Base DN). Now I cannot login using > the local user (admin or student accounts that I created) > > Is there anyway to get back in to reset the setting through command line > or GUI? Probably just need to run authconfig again and uncheck the "Use LDAP" boxes. If you can't log in as root due to the broken authentication config, you may need to boot into single user mode : http://tinyurl.com/npcun http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/sysadmin-guide/s1-rescuemode-booting-single.html > And anyone actually get LTSP clients to authenticate with Mac OS 10.4.6 > Open Directory? I read posts stated to use NFS mount but have no steps > listed. Please give me the links if you got it work? I can't give you a step-by-step, but I'd be looking at the documentation here: http://www.apple.com/server/documentation/ In particular, the "Open Directory" document for LDAP authentication and "File Services" for exporting an NFS share point. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From petre at maltzen.net Tue Jun 20 15:57:19 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:57:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NCLS-TuXlabs for Schools: A smashing success! In-Reply-To: <44975B4A.1040103@maltzen.net> References: <44960AD6.5070409@maltzen.net> <20060619185944.M66844@winonacotter.org> <20060619193531.M24497@winonacotter.org> <44975B4A.1040103@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <44981ADF.3010507@maltzen.net> Peter Scheie wrote: > Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>> I will try and get two new tabs added to the nclinux.net site this >>> afternoon. >>> I will add a section for downloads, and a photo gallery. I will put >>> the presentations in the downloads section and Petre can upload the >>> photos to the gallery. >> >> >> The new tabs are up and ready to go. I have added all the >> presentations that >> I had, and have uploaded a test photo to the gallery. >> Petre, let me know if you have any trouble uploading the photos. >> > Jim- > In my folder that I put on the desktop of user1 at the conference, there > was also an Impress file called support_and_documentation.otp that > should also go on the website. If you can't find it, let me know and > I'll send it to you. > > Petre > Pictures of the conference are now posted at www.nclinux.net. From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Tue Jun 20 16:24:24 2006 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:24:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: 4th Grade Typing Programs Message-ID: In my elementary ltsp lab I use gtypist (ncurses based) and have changed its start-up to enlarge the text and modify the error rate (the % of errors at which it will not let you go to the next lesson). Justin Paulsen IT Admin Frederic School District (715) 327-4223 paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us "The World is Open. Are you?" From accessys at smart.net Tue Jun 20 16:37:37 2006 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: 4th Grade Typing Programs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, Justin Paulsen wrote: > In my elementary ltsp lab I use gtypist (ncurses based) and have changed its > start-up to enlarge the text and modify the error rate (the % of errors at > which it will not let you go to the next lesson). are you capable of allowing students to optionally learn Dvorak instead of QWERTY??? 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Tue Jun 20 17:18:53 2006 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:18:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: 4th Grade Typing Programs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <421584c94c68fddbcd8b656d1941d991@hastymail.org> http://www.gnu.org/software/gtypist/ >From the site: "It comes with several typing tutorials: in Czech, English (Qwerty and Dvorak keyboard), Russian and Spanish, as well as simpler exercices in German, French and Norwegian." - Justin On 11:37 June 20, 2006 Access Systems wrote: > On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, Justin Paulsen wrote: > > > In my elementary ltsp lab I use gtypist (ncurses based) and have > > changed its start-up to enlarge the text and modify the error rate > > (the % of errors at which it will not let you go to the next lesson). > > are you capable of allowing students to optionally learn Dvorak instead > of QWERTY??? > > > Bob > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > NO response will ever be given to anyone using earthlink.net > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net > NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, > engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a > civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be > privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named > > > !DSPAM:2,4498245216649557320531! From robark at gmail.com Tue Jun 20 18:05:56 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:05:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Who is teaching Python? Message-ID: After reading these links http://www.byteofpython.info/ http://ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCS/python.php http://www.cs.sfu.ca/CC/120/ggbaker/references I am seriously considering switching from teaching C++ to Python next year in my intro course using my k12ltsp lab. 1) How many other teachers on this list teach Python? I would love to hear your experiences/recommendations for or against. 2) One thing I am worried about is if 30 kids are running a python script. Will that bring my server (dual Xeon 2.8 / 4G ram) to it's knees? 3) Anyone have success teaching pygame at the senior high school level? Kids love to program games! -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From ahodson at elp.rr.com Tue Jun 20 17:21:27 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson at elp.rr.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:21:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] (V.4.4.1) Floppy Copier Message-ID: I needed a quick floppy disk copier - found this code, modified it as indicated below and saved it as floppycopy.sh - chmod 777 for easy access and then ran it with ./diskcopy.sh - works like a charm. Hope it helps someone "out there" cheers Alan Hodson El Paso ISD,TX http://links.episd.org/ -=o=- ---------------- 8>< ---------------- #!/bin/sh #diskcopy command #Josh Gentry - updated (/mnt/->/media/ A. Hodson) clear #clear the terminal #warn user echo "This command will delete all files on the target disk before copying!!!" #prompt user to insert source disk echo -n "Insert source disk and hit ..." read Response test=`cat /etc/mtab | grep floppy | wc -l` if [ $test -eq 0 ] then mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy #mount target disk fi cd /tmp rm -fr diskcopy.swp #remove old swap space for this operation mkdir diskcopy.swp #create swap space for this operation cp /media/floppy/* /tmp/diskcopy.swp #copy contents of source to swap umount /media/floppy #prepare for switching of disks echo "WARNING!!!! All files currently on target disk will be deleted!" echo -n "Insert target disk and hit ..." #prompt user to switch disks read Response mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy #mount target disk rm -rf /media/floppy/* #remove any files on target cp /tmp/diskcopy.swp/* /media/floppy #copy files from swap to target rm -rf /tmp/diskcopy.swp #remove swap space for this command echo "Disk copied." exit ---------------- 8>< ---------------- From baci at harborcityschool.org Tue Jun 20 20:33:32 2006 From: baci at harborcityschool.org (Chris Bacigalupo) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:33:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Who is teaching Python? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1150835612.7349.1.camel@linux.site> We use c++, Blender and the irrlicht engine to do 3d game programming. I'm thinking of moving to java (via netbeans linux). On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 11:05 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > After reading these links > http://www.byteofpython.info/ > http://ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCS/python.php > http://www.cs.sfu.ca/CC/120/ggbaker/references > > I am seriously considering switching from teaching C++ to Python next > year in my intro course using my k12ltsp lab. > > 1) How many other teachers on this list teach Python? I would love to > hear your experiences/recommendations for or against. > > 2) One thing I am worried about is if 30 kids are running a python > script. Will that bring my server (dual Xeon 2.8 / 4G ram) to it's > knees? > > 3) Anyone have success teaching pygame at the senior high school > level? Kids love to program games! > From toddobryan at mac.com Tue Jun 20 21:51:16 2006 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:51:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Who is teaching Python? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I taught a mini-unit of about 5 weeks of Python after a year of Scheme. The kids seemed to enjoy it. I would definitely recommend it over C++. Todd On Jun 20, 2006, at 2:05 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > After reading these links > http://www.byteofpython.info/ > http://ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCS/python.php > http://www.cs.sfu.ca/CC/120/ggbaker/references > > I am seriously considering switching from teaching C++ to Python next > year in my intro course using my k12ltsp lab. > > 1) How many other teachers on this list teach Python? I would love to > hear your experiences/recommendations for or against. > > 2) One thing I am worried about is if 30 kids are running a python > script. Will that bring my server (dual Xeon 2.8 / 4G ram) to it's > knees? > > 3) Anyone have success teaching pygame at the senior high school > level? Kids love to program games! > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From vceder at canterburyschool.org Wed Jun 21 00:50:40 2006 From: vceder at canterburyschool.org (Vern Ceder) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Who is teaching Python? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60599.12.217.123.206.1150851040.squirrel@12.217.123.206> We teach Python to our 9th grade Intro to Computer class and (for 6 class periods) to our 8th graders. They all seem to pick it up fairly quickly. We've found simple graphics using the turtle module is a good introduction and the LiveWires libraries (http://www.livewires.org.uk) enable very simple graphics game programming with very little learning curve. We've also used PyGame in a more advanced elective, and it worked well. Cheers, Vern > After reading these links > http://www.byteofpython.info/ > http://ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCS/python.php > http://www.cs.sfu.ca/CC/120/ggbaker/references > > I am seriously considering switching from teaching C++ to Python next > year in my intro course using my k12ltsp lab. > > 1) How many other teachers on this list teach Python? I would love to > hear your experiences/recommendations for or against. > > 2) One thing I am worried about is if 30 kids are running a python > script. Will that bring my server (dual Xeon 2.8 / 4G ram) to it's > knees? > > 3) Anyone have success teaching pygame at the senior high school > level? Kids love to program games! > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 From jwiedenmeier at ucs.k12.wi.us Wed Jun 21 01:00:37 2006 From: jwiedenmeier at ucs.k12.wi.us (Joe Wiedenmeier) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:00:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TuxLabs in Minneapolis In-Reply-To: <20060620160022.219D87396F@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060620160022.219D87396F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44989A35.1030508@ucs.k12.wi.us> Hello all, Just wanted to add my two cents and thanks to Petre and the rest for a great conference in Minneapolis! It is always good to get together with others who are doing what you are doing. It often feels like I'm sloggin' away all by myself and this really helps. Again, thanks Petre and all! Joe Wiedenmeier From ddwelley at msad54.org Wed Jun 21 01:52:13 2006 From: ddwelley at msad54.org (Dan Dwelley) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:52:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] domain name loops back to dsl router In-Reply-To: <61107.74.32.253.236.1150650933.squirrel@216.24.126.68> Message-ID: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D79402731869@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> Have you checked the IP address associated with the domain name? It sounds like the domain name is being associated with the IP of the DSL router. Check DNS and your IP tables. Dan -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 1:16 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] domain name loops back to dsl router Hello ALL, I have a strange one here, or so it is to me. I setup another 4.4.1 K12LTSP box at my house. I got my own domain name for this box,and what is happening is, when i enter my domain name locally the browser winds up redirecting to the dsl modem/router interface that i have from the dsl provider. This is not actually redirecting to ip address of the server ,it is the ip assigned to the router. I have disabled all port forwards trying to reslove it, but still same thing. I am guessing it is something maybe i have setup on the dns provider( easydns). But i surely cant get it figured out:(. I have to vnc to a machine outside my lan in order to make sure for example my home page is working or mailman etc. The website comes up fine on a remote machine so it appears to be working correctly, I can also email fine, with this domain name. In the webrowser i have made sure direct connection to internet is checked just seeing if i can get anything to make it see my domain name locally. Not sure if the nating is causing something in this? Thanks, Barry Cisna _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ericbrow at gmail.com Wed Jun 21 01:58:44 2006 From: ericbrow at gmail.com (Eric Brown) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:58:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] domain name loops back to dsl router In-Reply-To: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D79402731869@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> References: <61107.74.32.253.236.1150650933.squirrel@216.24.126.68> <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D79402731869@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> Message-ID: I run into this exact same problem. I get the error when I try to access my domain name from inside my network. I get around this by editing my local named file, and point it at the inside server IP rather than relying on the external DNS. I'm not enough of a network guru to figure out exactly why this is, but I know this fix works. Enjoy. Eric On 6/20/06, Dan Dwelley wrote: > Have you checked the IP address associated with the domain name? It > sounds like the domain name is being associated with the IP of the DSL > router. Check DNS and your IP tables. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us > Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 1:16 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] domain name loops back to dsl router > > Hello ALL, > > I have a strange one here, or so it is to me. I setup another 4.4.1 > K12LTSP box at my house. I got my own domain name for this box,and what > is > happening is, when i enter my domain name locally the browser winds up > redirecting to the dsl modem/router interface that i have from the dsl > provider. > This is not actually redirecting to ip address of the server ,it is the > ip > assigned to the router. I have disabled all port forwards trying to > reslove it, but still same thing. I am guessing it is something maybe i > have setup on the dns provider( easydns). But i surely cant get it > figured > out:(. I have to vnc to a machine outside my lan in order to make sure > for > example my home page is working or mailman etc. > The website comes up fine on a remote machine so it appears to be > working > correctly, I can also email fine, with this domain name. In the > webrowser > i have made sure direct connection to internet is checked just seeing if > i > can get anything to make it see my domain name locally. > Not sure if the nating is causing something in this? > > Thanks, > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From krsnendu108 at gmail.com Wed Jun 21 03:45:03 2006 From: krsnendu108 at gmail.com (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:45:03 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Vmware as base for K12LTSP Message-ID: Is it worth running K12LTSP as a Vmware virtual machine to make it easier to backup and move from one server to another etc. Or will it add to much overhead. Are there any other disadvantages? e.g. using sound on terminals I am also considering using VMware for another server I have for asterisk, library system, backuppc and a windows xp install for any legacy apps. If I used the free VMserver what would be the minimum system needed to install it? Ubuntu server? Fedora minimum? -- Please note my new email address- krsnendu108 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmarkovich at drmcs.com Wed Jun 21 04:36:47 2006 From: dmarkovich at drmcs.com (David Markovich) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:36:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TuxLabs NCLINUX Meeting in Minneapolis Message-ID: <4498CCDF.1060203@drmcs.com> Hello, Just wanted to thank Petre and all the presenters at the first NCLinux meeting. It was a great conference, lots of information for both new users and experienced. Can't wait for the next conference. David Markovich From simon at titanic.co.uk Wed Jun 21 06:30:50 2006 From: simon at titanic.co.uk (Simon Faulkner) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:30:50 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - How easy was that! Message-ID: <4498E79A.8090907@titanic.co.uk> I'm no Linux expert but I just installed K12LTSP from the 5 CDs and it was a cinch! I've managed to get 2 old pentiums working so far and I hope to make a small lab for our school for ?0.00 One question, How do I start rdesktop? I can't find an icon anywhere and typing rdesktop just tells me that I can't run binarys Am I being *very* dumb? From mvl.1 at newulmtel.net Wed Jun 21 10:40:29 2006 From: mvl.1 at newulmtel.net (mvl.1 at newulmtel.net) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 05:40:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - How easy was that! In-Reply-To: <4498E79A.8090907@titanic.co.uk> References: <4498E79A.8090907@titanic.co.uk> Message-ID: <60970.66.60.207.191.1150886429.squirrel@mail.newulmtel.net> Here's a more basic question: What is rdesktop, and what will it do for you? I'm really new to this! Tom > I'm no Linux expert but I just installed K12LTSP from the 5 CDs and it > was a cinch! > > I've managed to get 2 old pentiums working so far and I hope to make a > small lab for our school for ?0.00 > > One question, How do I start rdesktop? > > I can't find an icon anywhere and typing rdesktop just tells me that I > can't run binarys > > Am I being *very* dumb? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using SquirrelMail. NU-Telecom, Inc. http://www.newulmtel.net/ From simon at titanic.co.uk Wed Jun 21 10:45:57 2006 From: simon at titanic.co.uk (Simon Faulkner) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:45:57 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - How easy was that! In-Reply-To: <60970.66.60.207.191.1150886429.squirrel@mail.newulmtel.net> References: <4498E79A.8090907@titanic.co.uk> <60970.66.60.207.191.1150886429.squirrel@mail.newulmtel.net> Message-ID: <44992365.1090905@titanic.co.uk> mvl.1 at newulmtel.net wrote: > Here's a more basic question: What is rdesktop, and what will it do for you? > > I'm really new to this! I can help with that one rdesktop is an RDP client which run on Linux rdesktop will allow you to connect to a Windows XP desktop or Win2K3 terminal server in a similar fashion to VNC It will allow you to use a windows desktop on your linux terminal It's not the ideal solution but it can help if you need occasional access to legacy apps. (We have MS Access databases) see http://www.rdesktop.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rdesktop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vnc Reading the docs it is in K12LTP 4.4.1 but I can't fathom out how to start it! HTH Simon From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jun 21 13:03:58 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:03:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] domain name loops back to dsl router In-Reply-To: References: <61107.74.32.253.236.1150650933.squirrel@216.24.126.68> <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D79402731869@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <20060621125226.M23199@winonacotter.org> > > I have a strange one here, or so it is to me. I setup another 4.4.1 > > K12LTSP box at my house. I got my own domain name for this box,and what > > is > > happening is, when i enter my domain name locally the browser winds up > > redirecting to the dsl modem/router interface that i have from the dsl > > provider. > > This is not actually redirecting to ip address of the server ,it is the > > ip > > assigned to the router. I have disabled all port forwards trying to > > reslove it, but still same thing. I am guessing it is something maybe i > > have setup on the dns provider( easydns). But i surely cant get it > > figured > > out:(. I have to vnc to a machine outside my lan in order to make sure > > for > > example my home page is working or mailman etc. > > The website comes up fine on a remote machine so it appears to be > > working > > correctly, I can also email fine, with this domain name. I am not sure I am a 100% clear on this but here is a shot. I'll assume the following are correct: -You have a domain name registered with yourdomain.org pointing to your external static IP address (the one assigned to your router) -Your router has an entry to take requests from the outside world and direct them to the proper inside port (Port forwarding external port 80 requests on external IP to internal port 80 on internal IP) -You do not have external Admin turned on in your router also listening on port 80 and interrupting your external requests -It sounds like externally (from outside your NAT'd network) the domain name and port forwarding work fine and get where they are supposed to go If the above is all correct and you still hit the router interface when trying your domain name internally, I believe it is your router that is the problem. I have found that some routers are "smarter" than others. Some newer routers and most higher end routers (Cisco, Linux) are able to see a request from an internal IP directed towards an external IP and know enough to pass it through the router to the outside world and then re-enter the local network thus following proper port forwarding. Some routers do not. If you happen to have one of the "dumber" routers the best fix I have found is what Eric said. I either build an internal DNS server or modify all hosts files on my machines. If you only have a couple of machines the hosts files work fine, if you have a few hundred it is a real time saver to setup the internal DNS and setup your dhcp server to hand out your internal DNS instead of the ISP's, and on your static boxes do the same. This will give you centralized DNS management and also the new ability to setup internal only DNS entries. I usually opt for the DNS server just because I have gotten fairly efficient with BIND. Hope that helps. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From tom at pcc.com Wed Jun 21 13:11:01 2006 From: tom at pcc.com (Tom Astle) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:11:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging Client Boot Messages Message-ID: <44994565.1020507@pcc.com> Hello: I asked this question to the LTSP-discuss group with and seemed to confuse everybody, but I think it will make more sense to you all. Starting with k12 v5 I started seeing the clients logging their boot messages to /var/log/messages. Is there a way to make this same thing happen in older versions, it is so helpful! Thanks in advance, this is a great tool BTW. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jun 21 13:12:07 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:12:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - How easy was that! In-Reply-To: <4498E79A.8090907@titanic.co.uk> References: <4498E79A.8090907@titanic.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060621130708.M23560@winonacotter.org> > One question, How do I start rdesktop? At the command line try "yum install rdesktop tsclient". This will give you 2 options to connect to windows boxes and they should install under "Applications" -> "Internet" menu. RDesktop is really nice for the command line options and if you want to run a default screen for connecting to Windows. But I also like TSClient as it will allow connection to RDP,RDPV5, and VNC all from the same client. Otherwise just "yum install rdesktop" if you don't want to try both. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Wed Jun 21 13:13:30 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:13:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - How easy was that! In-Reply-To: <4498E79A.8090907@titanic.co.uk> References: <4498E79A.8090907@titanic.co.uk> Message-ID: <449945FA.9060105@maltzen.net> You can turn on rdesktop by making a change to the lts.conf file which is in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ on the server. Look for the SCREEN section and you'll see SCREEN_04 is set for rdesktop (but commented out). Take out the # signs and add the address of your Windows Terminal Server, and then reboot your client. If you leave it set as SCREEN_04, and you don't define SCREEN_02 and SCREEN_03, I'm not sure what happens (I don't use it), but after rebooting the client, you can get to the rdesktop session by pressing Ctl-Alt-F4 (or would it be Ctrl-Alt-F2 if screens 2 & 3 are undefined? Try both.) Petre Simon Faulkner wrote: > I'm no Linux expert but I just installed K12LTSP from the 5 CDs and it > was a cinch! > > I've managed to get 2 old pentiums working so far and I hope to make a > small lab for our school for ?0.00 > > One question, How do I start rdesktop? > > I can't find an icon anywhere and typing rdesktop just tells me that I > can't run binarys > > Am I being *very* dumb? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From l.maslany at coventry.ac.uk Wed Jun 21 13:13:42 2006 From: l.maslany at coventry.ac.uk (Luke Maslany) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:13:42 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - How easy was that! In-Reply-To: <44992365.1090905@titanic.co.uk> References: <4498E79A.8090907@titanic.co.uk><60970.66.60.207.191.1150886429.squirrel@mail.newulmtel.net> <44992365.1090905@titanic.co.uk> Message-ID: Try: rdesktop remote.server.fqdn -g 1024x768 -a 16 -r sound:remote Where: -g defines the screen geometry - this can also be given as a percentage (-g 50%) -a defines colour depth (so 16 = 16bit; 24 = 24bit, etc...) -r sound :remote redirects the audio to the local client If I recall you can also specify the user: -u username It's been a while since I've played with it so please forgive me if I've made a mistake! Luke -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Simon Faulkner Sent: 21 June 2006 11:46 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - How easy was that! mvl.1 at newulmtel.net wrote: > Here's a more basic question: What is rdesktop, and what will it do for you? > > I'm really new to this! I can help with that one rdesktop is an RDP client which run on Linux rdesktop will allow you to connect to a Windows XP desktop or Win2K3 terminal server in a similar fashion to VNC It will allow you to use a windows desktop on your linux terminal It's not the ideal solution but it can help if you need occasional access to legacy apps. (We have MS Access databases) see http://www.rdesktop.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rdesktop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vnc Reading the docs it is in K12LTP 4.4.1 but I can't fathom out how to start it! HTH Simon _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jun 21 13:16:36 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:16:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - How easy was that! In-Reply-To: <449945FA.9060105@maltzen.net> References: <4498E79A.8090907@titanic.co.uk> <449945FA.9060105@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20060621131447.M83485@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:13:30 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote > You can turn on rdesktop by making a change to the lts.conf file > which is in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ on the server. Look for the SCREEN > section and you'll see SCREEN_04 is set for rdesktop (but commented > out). Take out the # signs and add the address of your Windows > Terminal Server, and then reboot your client. If you leave it set > as SCREEN_04, and you don't define SCREEN_02 and SCREEN_03, I'm not > sure what happens (I don't use it), but after rebooting the client, > you can get to the rdesktop session by pressing Ctl-Alt-F4 (or > would it be Ctrl-Alt-F2 if screens 2 & 3 are undefined? Try both.) Just to clarify, both mine and Petre's responses go together. It turns out that rdesktop doesn't appear to be installed by default, so my instructions are to get it installed. Petre's instructions are to set a second desktop to allow toggling between LTSP and Windows Remote Desktops. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Wed Jun 21 13:19:41 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:19:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - How easy was that! In-Reply-To: <60970.66.60.207.191.1150886429.squirrel@mail.newulmtel.net> References: <4498E79A.8090907@titanic.co.uk> <60970.66.60.207.191.1150886429.squirrel@mail.newulmtel.net> Message-ID: <4499476D.6000808@maltzen.net> Tom- Can I infer from your email address that you're in New Ulm, MN and you were at our conference last week? If so, welcome! As Simon mentioned, rdesktop allows you to connect from a LTSP client to a Windows Terminal Server, which would allow you to run a Windows desktop session and programs on the LTSP client. If you were at the conference last week, we had rdesktop running on a couple of clients--the sleek black ones with the LCD screens on the right side of the room. It's one of the methods for supporting Windows apps in a K12LTSP environment. It's cool, but like all things related to Microsoft and other proprietary software, it can quickly get expensive because there are so many licensing costs. I see rdesktop and WTS as simply a transitional tool. As you become more familiar with K12LTSP, you'll find you need the WTS less and less. Petre mvl.1 at newulmtel.net wrote: > Here's a more basic question: What is rdesktop, and what will it do for you? > > I'm really new to this! > > Tom > > >> I'm no Linux expert but I just installed K12LTSP from the 5 CDs and it >> was a cinch! >> >> I've managed to get 2 old pentiums working so far and I hope to make a >> small lab for our school for ?0.00 >> >> One question, How do I start rdesktop? >> >> I can't find an icon anywhere and typing rdesktop just tells me that I >> can't run binarys >> >> Am I being *very* dumb? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This email was sent using SquirrelMail. > NU-Telecom, Inc. > http://www.newulmtel.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jun 21 13:24:23 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:24:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - How easy was that! In-Reply-To: <20060621130708.M23560@winonacotter.org> References: <4498E79A.8090907@titanic.co.uk> <20060621130708.M23560@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20060621132138.M93845@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:12:07 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote > > One question, How do I start rdesktop? > > At the command line try "yum install rdesktop tsclient". This will > give you 2 options to connect to windows boxes and they should > install under "Applications" -> "Internet" menu. Slight ammendment, rdesktop looks to be command line only so it is not in the menu, tsclient will be in the menu as stated above. If you have trouble with the k12ltsp mirror when trying to yum install please post here. I noticed on my test server I had trouble with it and had to add "--disablerepo=k12ltsp" in my yum install line like so: yum --disablerepo=k12ltsp install rdesktop tsclient After that it worked fine, I still had trouble after a yum clean all, but I just installed Fedora Frog yesterday so I don't know if that broke anything. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jun 21 13:28:57 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:28:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - How easy was that! In-Reply-To: <4499476D.6000808@maltzen.net> References: <4498E79A.8090907@titanic.co.uk> <60970.66.60.207.191.1150886429.squirrel@mail.newulmtel.net> <4499476D.6000808@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20060621132526.M56422@winonacotter.org> > K12LTSP environment. It's cool, but like all things related to > Microsoft and other proprietary software, it can quickly get > expensive because there are so many licensing costs. I see rdesktop > and WTS as simply a transitional tool. As you become more familiar > with K12LTSP, you'll find you need the WTS less and less. It also allows K12LTSP to be a cheaper way to deploy windows. In the case of a normal Terminal Services install you would need either a local copy of Windows XP or the like on your box in order to connect, or you would need a local license of Windows CE for a terminal to connect, which both cost money. And you would need a terminal services license for every concurrent connection to the terminal server. By using LTSP you can avoid the costs of the local Windows XP or CE install only needing the terminal services license (CAL). This same approach can be used with the open source Citrix client to connect to a Citrix server. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From simon at titanic.co.uk Wed Jun 21 13:39:32 2006 From: simon at titanic.co.uk (Simon Faulkner) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:39:32 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - How easy was that! - FIXED In-Reply-To: <20060621130708.M23560@winonacotter.org> References: <4498E79A.8090907@titanic.co.uk> <20060621130708.M23560@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <44994C14.2030902@titanic.co.uk> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> One question, How do I start rdesktop? > > At the command line try "yum install rdesktop tsclient". This will give you 2 > options to connect to windows boxes and they should install under > "Applications" -> "Internet" menu. Perfect answer. ty. I *LOVE* tsclient - new toy! Thanks peeps. From stegil at hotmail.com Wed Jun 21 14:00:19 2006 From: stegil at hotmail.com (steve gilmore) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:00:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - How easy was that! References: <4498E79A.8090907@titanic.co.uk><60970.66.60.207.191.1150886429.squirrel@mail.newulmtel.net><4499476D.6000808@maltzen.net> <20060621132526.M56422@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: If I might add a few points. Connecting to a default Windows XP pro, is limited to a single remote administrative session ( see note). Thus if an administrator account logs in , other users are informed their session will be terminated. As a limited user they might not have control, but an administrator could refuse the connection. (note) A few years ago when Microsoft released XP betas for testing, one of the original files involved multiple connections with remote desktop :-) . Thus if one replaces their current file with an older one (termserv.dll) , multiple independant remote connections are possible. How many, depends on the strength of the target machine. If you create local users on the target XP machine, change them to limited users, and permit local security policy for them to login via network, then the administrator may view all user connections at the task manager etc.. XP must not be part of a domain and have fast user switching enabled. I can't say yea or nay vis a vis the EULA, since no one complains about multiple vnc connections or multiple pc-anywhere connections or radmin connections, then you decide. After all , it is an original microsoft file. http://sala.pri.ee/?page_id=11 SteveG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Kronebusch" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - How easy was that! > > It also allows K12LTSP to be a cheaper way to deploy windows. In the case > of > a normal Terminal Services install you would need either a local copy of > Windows XP or the like on your box in order to connect, or you would need > a > local license of Windows CE for a terminal to connect, which both cost > money. > And you would need a terminal services license for every concurrent > connection to the terminal server. By using LTSP you can avoid the costs > of > the local Windows XP or CE install only needing the terminal services > license > (CAL). > From jam at mcquil.com Wed Jun 21 14:26:40 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Logging Client Boot Messages In-Reply-To: <44994565.1020507@pcc.com> References: <44994565.1020507@pcc.com> Message-ID: <52212.81.80.162.90.1150900000.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Wed, June 21, 2006 9:11 am, Tom Astle wrote: > Hello: > > I asked this question to the LTSP-discuss group with and seemed to > confuse everybody, but I think it will make more sense to you all. > > Starting with k12 v5 I started seeing the clients logging their boot > messages to /var/log/messages. > > Is there a way to make this same thing happen in older versions, it > is so helpful! Well, there's not officially a way. k12ltsp v4 is based on LTSP-4.1 the redirecting of the dmesg output through syslog wasn't added until LTSP-4.2, which is what k12ltsp v5 is based on. You could look at the rc.sysinit script in the ltsp etc directory, and see how it's doing the 'dmesg | logger', BUT, the big problem there is that the dmesg command doesn't exist in ltsp-4.1. So, you'd have to go steal that binary from an LTSP-4.2 system, and drop it in ltsp's bin directory. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From info at baf-computers.com Wed Jun 21 15:16:40 2006 From: info at baf-computers.com (Les Finch) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:16:40 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - How easy was that! In-Reply-To: References: <4498E79A.8090907@titanic.co.uk> <60970.66.60.207.191.1150886429.squirrel@mail.newulmtel.net> <4499476D.6000808@maltzen.net> <20060621132526.M56422@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1150903000.25576.11.camel@server.com> Also this is downloadable from http://www.xpunlimited.com and works when install on xp pro with 3 users or $125.00 unlimited Les On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 10:00 -0400, steve gilmore wrote: > If I might add a few points. Connecting to a default Windows XP pro, is > limited to a single remote administrative session ( see note). Thus if an > administrator account logs in , other users are informed their session will > be terminated. As a limited user they might not have control, but an > administrator could refuse the connection. > > (note) A few years ago when Microsoft released XP betas for testing, one of > the original files involved multiple connections with remote desktop :-) . > Thus if one replaces their current file with an older one (termserv.dll) , > multiple independant remote connections are possible. How many, depends on > the strength of the target machine. If you create local users on the target > XP machine, change them to limited users, and permit local security policy > for them to login via network, then the administrator may view all user > connections at the task manager etc.. > XP must not be part of a domain and have fast user switching enabled. > I can't say yea or nay vis a vis the EULA, since no one complains about > multiple vnc connections or multiple pc-anywhere connections or radmin > connections, then you decide. After all , it is an original microsoft file. > http://sala.pri.ee/?page_id=11 > > SteveG > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Kronebusch" > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 9:28 AM > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - How easy was that! > > > > > > > It also allows K12LTSP to be a cheaper way to deploy windows. In the case > > of > > a normal Terminal Services install you would need either a local copy of > > Windows XP or the like on your box in order to connect, or you would need > > a > > local license of Windows CE for a terminal to connect, which both cost > > money. > > And you would need a terminal services license for every concurrent > > connection to the terminal server. By using LTSP you can avoid the costs > > of > > the local Windows XP or CE install only needing the terminal services > > license > > (CAL). > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Les Finch From tom at pcc.com Wed Jun 21 15:26:58 2006 From: tom at pcc.com (Tom Astle) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:26:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging Client Boot Messages (working!) In-Reply-To: <52212.81.80.162.90.1150900000.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> References: <44994565.1020507@pcc.com> <52212.81.80.162.90.1150900000.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: <44996542.4020109@pcc.com> I copied dmesg from the v5 dmesg to the v4.4.1 machine and added dmesg | logger and to rc.sysinit and bingo, it works! thanks very much. Jim McQuillan wrote: > On Wed, June 21, 2006 9:11 am, Tom Astle wrote: > >> Hello: >> >> I asked this question to the LTSP-discuss group with and seemed to >> confuse everybody, but I think it will make more sense to you all. >> >> Starting with k12 v5 I started seeing the clients logging their boot >> messages to /var/log/messages. >> >> Is there a way to make this same thing happen in older versions, it >> is so helpful! >> > > Well, there's not officially a way. > > k12ltsp v4 is based on LTSP-4.1 > > the redirecting of the dmesg output through syslog wasn't added until > LTSP-4.2, which is what k12ltsp v5 is based on. > > You could look at the rc.sysinit script in the ltsp etc directory, and see > how it's doing the 'dmesg | logger', BUT, the big problem there is that > the dmesg command doesn't exist in ltsp-4.1. So, you'd have to go steal > that binary from an LTSP-4.2 system, and drop it in ltsp's bin directory. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From opensource at whitenitro.com Wed Jun 21 19:58:21 2006 From: opensource at whitenitro.com (Bryant Patten) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:58:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NELS & FOSS-Education Association In-Reply-To: <20060621160024.932D773EDB@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060621160024.932D773EDB@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <89bdd9f48f44fa760856baec656da61f@whitenitro.com> Once again, David and Matt put on an awesome NELS gathering in Bethel, Maine. Thanks guys! Much fun, lots of swapping of stories and expertise, and as others mentioned, more teachers - which is really exciting. The food was again fabulous - tough to complain about roast beef, shrimp and chocolate cake (to give an example of one excellent meal). I just don't understand why David doesn't ever mention the food :) We also discussed the idea of starting an association (group/co-op/guild/organization) of Open Source and Education consultants. Not surprisingly we ran smack into a definition of who should be in this group but as a start we said the target is people whose primary focus of their for-profit business is helping schools use open source. There were several of us at the conference (David Trask - CopperDog, Matt Oquist - Majen, Chris Johnson - Dirigo, Bill Sconce- In Spec, Inc., Bryant Patten - White Nitro) who met and tried to answer some of the following questions: 1) How many FOSS and education consultants are out there in the US? (5? 50? 500? 5000?) 2) Would such an organization help? (make school admin people feel FOSS is legit, share resources, sponsor conferences) 3) Should it be free or charge dues? (Dues could fund NELS-like conferences in other parts of the country) 4) Who should join? (consultants, schools, product companies...) 4) Does something like this already exists? I have discussed this idea with some other consultants and plan to bring it up with people at NECC as well. I volunteered to push this forward for a bit and see what happens so please let me know (on list or off) any thoughts, resources or suggestions. Bryant Patten White Nitro, LLC opensource at whitenitro.com From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Wed Jun 21 20:13:29 2006 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:13:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] STARTX and RDESKTOP, Defaulting to RDESKTOP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1150920809.26152.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Paul- This is actually a known issue in LTSP that has needed addressing for some time now. When you set up two "graphical" sessions on two separate screens, you create a "race condition", where the first one to initialize will grab the focus. This is because, X, by default, always grabs control of the virtual terminal. Last time Jim and I spoke about this, he said that he thought the Xorg folks put a flag into X to tell it not to take control over the screen (or virtual terminal), but I don't think either of us have had the time to look into it/code something up. A quick fix to your problem might be to add a "chvt 1" in the beginning of the screen.d scripts. NOTE: I am thinking off the top of my head - I have not tried this. Hope that, at least, explains things... -Gadi On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 15:55 -0400, Krishna Murphy wrote: > Paul- > > Try putting the cursor in front of the "rdesktop..." and hitting enter, > then putting in shell for that entry, and finally making a SCREEN_03 = > line for the rdesktop entry. If it then defaults to rdesktop, we'll know > it's likely something about that, but if it defaults to #2 again... I have > seen some things that make me think that the ltsp.conf file is sensitive > to stray keystroke entries, especially non-printing characters. > > -Krishna > > On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > All, > > I'm having a weird issue...weird to me but I'm hoping others have > encountered it and found a solution. We currently have Ubuntu 6.06 running > the latest LTSP 4.2. In the lts.conf I have: > > SCREEN_01 = startx > SCREEN_02 = rdesktop -fa > > Now when the clients boot up they automatically go to SCREEN_02 and show the > Windows Terminal Server login screen instead of defaulting to SCREEN_01. Has > anyone else experienced this? Is it something I am doing or missing? How can > I fix this so that it will default back to SCREEN_01? To add, I have made > 'SCREEN_02 = shell' before and it didn't default to bash. Thanks in advance! > Thanks! :) > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Director of Information Technology > Epping School District > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > Registered Linux User #398783 > > All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=107521&bid=248729&dat=121642 > _____________________________________________________________________ > > Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss > > For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net > > All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! > Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in > the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=107521&bid=248729&dat=121642 > _____________________________________________________________________ > Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss > For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Proud LTSP Developer ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Support LTSP! Buy your hardware at: www.DisklessWorkstations.com www.DisklessThinClients.com (use coupon code: LTSP5P for 5% off thin clients from DisklessThinClients.com) From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Jun 21 22:32:25 2006 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NELS & FOSS-Education Association In-Reply-To: <89bdd9f48f44fa760856baec656da61f@whitenitro.com> References: <20060621160024.932D773EDB@hormel.redhat.com> <89bdd9f48f44fa760856baec656da61f@whitenitro.com> Message-ID: <35488.70.33.151.214.1150929145.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Sorry to miss this...but i blew my budget goint to Montreal for ubuntu below zero and linuxworld in April...Proospects arent good for unh meeting either since i am holding down two jobs..but interested in the consultant thing, having made some real contributions to ltsp albeit with a little help from Matt and from Chris..Sticking my oar in just the same..8~)chuck > Once again, David and Matt put on an awesome NELS gathering in Bethel, > Maine. Thanks guys! > > Much fun, lots of swapping of stories and expertise, and as others > mentioned, more teachers - which is really exciting. The food was > again fabulous - tough to complain about roast beef, shrimp and > chocolate cake (to give an example of one excellent meal). I just > don't understand why David doesn't ever mention the food :) > > We also discussed the idea of starting an association > (group/co-op/guild/organization) of Open Source and Education > consultants. Not surprisingly we ran smack into a definition of who > should be in this group but as a start we said the target is people > whose primary focus of their for-profit business is helping schools use > open source. There were several of us at the conference (David Trask - > CopperDog, Matt Oquist - Majen, Chris Johnson - Dirigo, Bill Sconce- In > Spec, Inc., Bryant Patten - White Nitro) who met and tried to answer > some of the following questions: > > 1) How many FOSS and education consultants are out there in the US? > (5? 50? 500? 5000?) > 2) Would such an organization help? (make school admin people feel > FOSS is legit, share resources, sponsor conferences) > 3) Should it be free or charge dues? (Dues could fund NELS-like > conferences in other parts of the country) > 4) Who should join? (consultants, schools, product companies...) > 4) Does something like this already exists? > > I have discussed this idea with some other consultants and plan to > bring it up with people at NECC as well. I volunteered to push this > forward for a bit and see what happens so please let me know (on list > or off) any thoughts, resources or suggestions. > > Bryant Patten > White Nitro, LLC > opensource at whitenitro.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Thu Jun 22 00:20:14 2006 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:20:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Ghost console in a samba ldap domain Message-ID: I have read several post on Samba newsgroup about using Ghost console to add workstations to a samba domain, but nobody replied in the samba newsgroup that they successfully achieved add workstations to domain with ghost console. Has anybody in this group use ghost console to add workstations to the domain in your schools? Do you use sysprep to randomly generate a name and add to the samba domain and then have ghost rename the computer? Or have you had success using ghostwalker and just the ghost console adding the computers to the domain? Thanks in advance -Glenn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moquist at majen.net Thu Jun 22 01:09:29 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:09:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: NCLS-TuXlabs for Schools: A smashing success! (Peter Scheie) In-Reply-To: <20060619160020.638D073227@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060619160020.638D073227@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060622010929.GA11212@majen.net> Great work, Peter! I'm just getting caught up on email after NELS and it's exciting to hear that the Midwest effort has succeeded so well. --matt > Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:24:22 -0500 > From: Peter Scheie > Subject: [K12OSN] NCLS-TuXlabs for Schools: A smashing success! > All- > We just finished our 2-day TuXlabs for Schools conference in > Minneapolis, and I must say I think it was a terrific success. -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Jun 22 02:14:52 2006 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (Dave Hopkins) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:14:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - How easy was that! In-Reply-To: <1150903000.25576.11.camel@server.com> References: <4498E79A.8090907@titanic.co.uk> <60970.66.60.207.191.1150886429.squirrel@mail.newulmtel.net> <4499476D.6000808@maltzen.net> <20060621132526.M56422@winonacotter.org> <1150903000.25576.11.camel@server.com> Message-ID: <4499FD1C.9030307@comcast.net> Odd question, but could pgina (http://www.pgina.org/) be installed on the WinXP Pro system in addition to the xpunlimited software and thus allow validation of users against a Linux/Samba/LDAP/PDC, in essence achieving the effect of a Windows TS in the domain? I don't have the hardware 'laying around' to test this as it currently stands. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Les Finch wrote: > Also this is downloadable from http://www.xpunlimited.com and works when > install on xp pro with 3 users or $125.00 unlimited > > Les > > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 10:00 -0400, steve gilmore wrote: > >> If I might add a few points. Connecting to a default Windows XP pro, is >> limited to a single remote administrative session ( see note). Thus if an >> administrator account logs in , other users are informed their session will >> be terminated. As a limited user they might not have control, but an >> administrator could refuse the connection. >> >> (note) A few years ago when Microsoft released XP betas for testing, one of >> the original files involved multiple connections with remote desktop :-) . >> Thus if one replaces their current file with an older one (termserv.dll) , >> multiple independant remote connections are possible. How many, depends on >> the strength of the target machine. If you create local users on the target >> XP machine, change them to limited users, and permit local security policy >> for them to login via network, then the administrator may view all user >> connections at the task manager etc.. >> XP must not be part of a domain and have fast user switching enabled. >> I can't say yea or nay vis a vis the EULA, since no one complains about >> multiple vnc connections or multiple pc-anywhere connections or radmin >> connections, then you decide. After all , it is an original microsoft file. >> http://sala.pri.ee/?page_id=11 >> >> SteveG >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Kronebusch" >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 9:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - How easy was that! >> >> >> >> >>> It also allows K12LTSP to be a cheaper way to deploy windows. In the case >>> of >>> a normal Terminal Services install you would need either a local copy of >>> Windows XP or the like on your box in order to connect, or you would need >>> a >>> local license of Windows CE for a terminal to connect, which both cost >>> money. >>> And you would need a terminal services license for every concurrent >>> connection to the terminal server. By using LTSP you can avoid the costs >>> of >>> the local Windows XP or CE install only needing the terminal services >>> license >>> (CAL). >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> From robark at gmail.com Thu Jun 22 05:49:06 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:49:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Who is teaching Python? In-Reply-To: <60599.12.217.123.206.1150851040.squirrel@12.217.123.206> References: <60599.12.217.123.206.1150851040.squirrel@12.217.123.206> Message-ID: Thanks for the responses. After doing some research on this issue and learning some Python myself I have decided to switch from C++. I can't believe how easy it is to learn. Here are my reasons for switching: I really like the elegant efficient simplicity of Python. I can't tell you how many times I have requested/pleaded students indent properly. There is no heavy syntax burden in Python unlike C++ and Java. Another major reason is enrollment. I am finding that students who are put off by the added complexity tend to become disinterested in programming. I usually only get the keeners signing up for my senior course. For 2 years straight there have not been enough "keeners" to run a senior course. If Python can create a fun successful experience then I am sure my enrollment and retention will increase. Video arcade game programming in C++ or Java seems impossible at the high school level but with Pygame and Python it's doable. After teaching programming for 4 years I am finding that algorithm development skills are more important than syntax knowledge. That's the hardest part of programming for students. "How do I start?". They may know the syntax of loops, if-then, etc but they don't know how to develop an algorithm to solve a problem. It's not easy to teach but this is the crux of CS. I think using Python will allow me to focus more class time on this issue. I am really excited and eager to start teaching Python in Sept. The only down side is I have to generate new tests and resources. However, it's nice that there are quality free pdf books out there. (Thanks Jeff) -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From info at baf-computers.com Thu Jun 22 08:41:48 2006 From: info at baf-computers.com (Les Finch) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:41:48 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - How easy was that! In-Reply-To: <4499FD1C.9030307@comcast.net> References: <4498E79A.8090907@titanic.co.uk> <60970.66.60.207.191.1150886429.squirrel@mail.newulmtel.net> <4499476D.6000808@maltzen.net> <20060621132526.M56422@winonacotter.org> <1150903000.25576.11.camel@server.com> <4499FD1C.9030307@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1150965708.3303.4.camel@server.com> I don't think it supports Domains look on their website. les On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 22:14 -0400, Dave Hopkins wrote: > Odd question, but could pgina (http://www.pgina.org/) be installed on > the WinXP Pro system in addition to the xpunlimited software and thus > allow validation of users against a Linux/Samba/LDAP/PDC, in essence > achieving the effect of a Windows TS in the domain? I don't have the > hardware 'laying around' to test this as it currently stands. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > > Les Finch wrote: > > Also this is downloadable from http://www.xpunlimited.com and works when > > install on xp pro with 3 users or $125.00 unlimited > > > > Les > > > > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 10:00 -0400, steve gilmore wrote: > > > >> If I might add a few points. Connecting to a default Windows XP pro, is > >> limited to a single remote administrative session ( see note). Thus if an > >> administrator account logs in , other users are informed their session will > >> be terminated. As a limited user they might not have control, but an > >> administrator could refuse the connection. > >> > >> (note) A few years ago when Microsoft released XP betas for testing, one of > >> the original files involved multiple connections with remote desktop :-) . > >> Thus if one replaces their current file with an older one (termserv.dll) , > >> multiple independant remote connections are possible. How many, depends on > >> the strength of the target machine. If you create local users on the target > >> XP machine, change them to limited users, and permit local security policy > >> for them to login via network, then the administrator may view all user > >> connections at the task manager etc.. > >> XP must not be part of a domain and have fast user switching enabled. > >> I can't say yea or nay vis a vis the EULA, since no one complains about > >> multiple vnc connections or multiple pc-anywhere connections or radmin > >> connections, then you decide. After all , it is an original microsoft file. > >> http://sala.pri.ee/?page_id=11 > >> > >> SteveG > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jim Kronebusch" > >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 9:28 AM > >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - How easy was that! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> It also allows K12LTSP to be a cheaper way to deploy windows. In the case > >>> of > >>> a normal Terminal Services install you would need either a local copy of > >>> Windows XP or the like on your box in order to connect, or you would need > >>> a > >>> local license of Windows CE for a terminal to connect, which both cost > >>> money. > >>> And you would need a terminal services license for every concurrent > >>> connection to the terminal server. By using LTSP you can avoid the costs > >>> of > >>> the local Windows XP or CE install only needing the terminal services > >>> license > >>> (CAL). > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > >> > > -- Les Finch From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Jun 22 15:39:05 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:39:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ot: help with hosed /boot!!! Message-ID: <9bd317560606220839y272c3782i574851e158320cca@mail.gmail.com> Hey Folks, Ironically I ran into trouble after an image backup with dd. No thank god I didn't image the wrong drive! When i went to test the back up it wouldn't boot - same with the original. /boot seems to be all there it's just not bootable anymore. I'm trying to restore grub with linux rescue (centos install ). I do grub-install /dev/fd0 I get : Could not find device for /boot/boot: not found or not a block device Search results for this sugest doing this: Try the following: Update the mtab file by running this command as root after you have done chroot /mnt/sysimage with the rescue cd. cp /proc/mounts /etc/mtab But my /proc directory is empty. So before chroot i did mount -o bind /proc /mnt/sysimage/proc and then cp /proc/mounts /etc/mtab. No joy. But now when I try grub-install /dev/fd0 I get: /dev/hda1 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive When I try grub-install /dev/hda I get: /dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive Search results for this sugest doing this: grub-install --recheck /dev/hda But then I get: Could not find device for /boot: not found or not a block device All roads lead to "Could not find device for /boot: not found or not a block device" it seems. Can someone give me a hand? Thanks in advance! Peter From les at futuresource.com Thu Jun 22 18:10:31 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:10:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ot: help with hosed /boot!!! In-Reply-To: <9bd317560606220839y272c3782i574851e158320cca@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560606220839y272c3782i574851e158320cca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1150999832.26642.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 11:39 -0400, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey Folks, > Ironically I ran into trouble after an image backup with dd. No thank > god I didn't image the wrong drive! When i went to test the back up > it wouldn't boot - same with the original. /boot seems to be all there > it's just not bootable anymore. I'm trying to restore grub with linux > rescue (centos install ). I do grub-install /dev/fd0 I get : /dev/fd0 is your floppy, but maybe that was a typo. You want /dev/sda for scsi, /dev/hda for IDE. > Could not find device for /boot/boot: not found or not a block device Did the rescue boot locate your installed system and mount it under /mnt/sysinstall for you? If so, did you do the chroot /mnt/sysinstall next? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From phanh at canby.k12.or.us Thu Jun 22 19:16:13 2006 From: phanh at canby.k12.or.us (Hung Phan) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:16:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] TLSP clients authenticate to 10.4.6 Open Directory Message-ID: <29DC880D-5C18-4D57-954B-6AB001357CFE@canby.k12.or.us> I have problem getting LTSP clients to authenticate with OS 10.4.6 Open Directory. Keep receiving the error: Your home directory is listed as: /Network/Servers/myserver.mydomain/ Users/brutus but it doesn't appear to exist. blah blah blah after that :) On OS X, brutus user has home directory using NFS on /Network/Servers/ myserver.mydomain/Users/brutus On LTSP server, brutus folder (do I need to create this folder even though the instruction doesn't mention it) exists under /Network/ Servers/myserver/Users. The folder owner is brutus and the group is brutus. I stuck :( Thanks, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Jun 22 19:35:14 2006 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:35:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ot: help with hosed /boot!!! In-Reply-To: <1150999832.26642.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <9bd317560606220839y272c3782i574851e158320cca@mail.gmail.com> <1150999832.26642.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560606221235l3aa35730hf582fd9dbd3f823@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Les, I got working although I'm not exactly sure why it stopped working which is a little disconcerting. This install used to have /dev/hda on the primary slave. I just relpaced the motherboard with a completely different one recently and all seemed perfect until this recent problem. Since I changed the "/" /dev/hda drive to the master and corrected grub.conf and others it seem fine. I guess can't blame it for not wanting to be a slave. :) Different bios = different device.map? Thanks! Peter On 6/22/06, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 11:39 -0400, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Hey Folks, > > Ironically I ran into trouble after an image backup with dd. No thank > > god I didn't image the wrong drive! When i went to test the back up > > it wouldn't boot - same with the original. /boot seems to be all there > > it's just not bootable anymore. I'm trying to restore grub with linux > > rescue (centos install ). I do grub-install /dev/fd0 I get : > > /dev/fd0 is your floppy, but maybe that was a typo. You want /dev/sda > for scsi, /dev/hda for IDE. > > > > Could not find device for /boot/boot: not found or not a block device > > Did the rescue boot locate your installed system and mount it > under /mnt/sysinstall for you? If so, did you do the > chroot /mnt/sysinstall next? > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Thu Jun 22 20:13:21 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:13:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ot: help with hosed /boot!!! In-Reply-To: <9bd317560606221235l3aa35730hf582fd9dbd3f823@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560606220839y272c3782i574851e158320cca@mail.gmail.com> <1150999832.26642.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <9bd317560606221235l3aa35730hf582fd9dbd3f823@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1151007201.26642.10.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 15:35 -0400, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Thanks Les, I got working although I'm not exactly sure why it stopped > working which is a little disconcerting. This install used to have > /dev/hda on the primary slave. I just relpaced the motherboard with a > completely different one recently and all seemed perfect until this > recent problem. Since I changed the "/" /dev/hda drive to the master > and corrected grub.conf and others it seem fine. I guess can't blame > it for not wanting to be a slave. :) Different bios = different > device.map? Normally a slave on the primary ide controller would be /dev/hdb but grub will still call it hd0. Moving it to the master position would make it /dev/hda. With scsi they are named in the order detected, but IDE goes by controller/position. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Thu Jun 22 23:30:20 2006 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:30:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Copying Files Message-ID: <449B280C.4080704@honeygroveisd.net> Hello All, I have what I hope will be an easy question for the more experienced among us. I'm setting up a new server and I want to move the /home from the old one to the new one. What would be the best/easiest way to move all the files and folders to the new machine while preserving ownership and permissions? -- C-ya, Mark ____ Just as appetite comes by eating, so work brings inspiration, if inspiration is not discernible at the beginning. -Igor Stravinsky From meelis at nlib.ee Fri Jun 23 00:53:58 2006 From: meelis at nlib.ee (Meelis) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 03:53:58 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Copying Files References: <449B280C.4080704@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <011101c6965f$84b19d50$0301a8c0@lammas> I use tar to compress/uncompress /home folders and subfolders into a tar-file and after uncompressing, all the permissions were kept the same. I use the same method to restore home profile for each user (preconfigured) with the help of post-session script :) I think it may work with your problem as well but to be safe, uncompress them into a different location and see if it works. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Cockrell" To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 2:30 AM Subject: [K12OSN] Copying Files > Hello All, > I have what I hope will be an easy question for the more experienced > among us. I'm setting up a new server and I want to move the /home from > the old one to the new one. What would be the best/easiest way to move > all the files and folders to the new machine while preserving ownership > and permissions? > > -- > > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > Just as appetite comes by eating, so work brings inspiration, if > inspiration is not discernible at the beginning. -Igor Stravinsky > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Fri Jun 23 01:39:01 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:39:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Copying Files In-Reply-To: <449B280C.4080704@honeygroveisd.net> References: <449B280C.4080704@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1151026740.12392.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 18:30, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello All, > I have what I hope will be an easy question for the more experienced > among us. I'm setting up a new server and I want to move the /home from > the old one to the new one. What would be the best/easiest way to move > all the files and folders to the new machine while preserving ownership > and permissions? If they are both on the network at once, from the old machine: cd /home rsync -essh -av . newmachine:/home -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From codezilla at email.com Fri Jun 23 01:42:44 2006 From: codezilla at email.com (Patrick Haggood) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:42:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NELS & FOSS-Education Association In-Reply-To: <35488.70.33.151.214.1150929145.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <20060621160024.932D773EDB@hormel.redhat.com> <89bdd9f48f44fa760856baec656da61f@whitenitro.com> <35488.70.33.151.214.1150929145.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <1151026964.11269.10.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 18:32 -0400, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > > We also discussed the idea of starting an association > > (group/co-op/guild/organization) of Open Source and Education > > consultants. I'm very interested in this. If there's a list building, please add me to it. Patrick B. 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URL: From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Fri Jun 23 11:36:08 2006 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (larry) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:36:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NELS & FOSS-Education Association In-Reply-To: <1151026964.11269.10.camel@localhost> References: <20060621160024.932D773EDB@hormel.redhat.com> <89bdd9f48f44fa760856baec656da61f@whitenitro.com> <35488.70.33.151.214.1150929145.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <1151026964.11269.10.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1151062568.12433.4.camel@localhost> I'm also interested and would like to be on the list. Larry On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 21:42 -0400, Patrick Haggood wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 18:32 -0400, cliebow at midmaine.com wrote: > > > > We also discussed the idea of starting an association > > > (group/co-op/guild/organization) of Open Source and Education > > > consultants. > > I'm very interested in this. If there's a list building, please add me > to it. > > Patrick B. Haggood > Chief Consultant > Mateo Software Consulting > http://www.mateoconsulting.com > patrick at mateoconsulting.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jun 23 13:00:50 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:00:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Copying Files In-Reply-To: <1151026740.12392.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <449B280C.4080704@honeygroveisd.net> <1151026740.12392.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <449BE602.1010706@maltzen.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 18:30, Mark Cockrell wrote: >> Hello All, >> I have what I hope will be an easy question for the more experienced >> among us. I'm setting up a new server and I want to move the /home from >> the old one to the new one. What would be the best/easiest way to move >> all the files and folders to the new machine while preserving ownership >> and permissions? > > If they are both on the network at once, from the old machine: > cd /home > rsync -essh -av . newmachine:/home > The wrinkle is that since he's moving to a new machine, he probably doesn't have all the user IDs & PWs setup. If you copy the /etc/passwd, /etc/group, and /etc/shadow from the old box to the new one, then all the home directories will keep their ownership correct. Otherwise, if you create, say, bob on the new machine and it ends up with UID 517, but it was UID 654 on the old box, /home/bob won't be accessible by bob on the new box. Petre From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Jun 23 13:22:28 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:22:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Copying Files In-Reply-To: <1151026740.12392.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <449B280C.4080704@honeygroveisd.net> <1151026740.12392.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: And if you use webmin, esport the users from the old server. Set up the new server and don't add any users to it during the install. Once it is up, use webmin to import the new users to the new server *BEFORE* runnin the rsync provided below. The users will be added and then their data dropped back into their /home/x. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 18:30, Mark Cockrell wrote: > > Hello All, > > I have what I hope will be an easy question for the more experienced > > among us. I'm setting up a new server and I want to move the /home from > > the old one to the new one. What would be the best/easiest way to move > > all the files and folders to the new machine while preserving ownership > > and permissions? > > If they are both on the network at once, from the old machine: > cd /home > rsync -essh -av . newmachine:/home > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Jun 23 13:27:05 2006 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:27:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Copying Files In-Reply-To: <449BE602.1010706@maltzen.net> References: <449B280C.4080704@honeygroveisd.net> <1151026740.12392.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <449BE602.1010706@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Just remember also that if you are changing versions, you can't just copy passwd group and shadow verbatim. You should get to the point in those files where the non-system users start (uslally like 500) and just copy from there on into the new one on the new server. This is one reason I use webmon for this. It handles that all for you. . . If you use webmin, in the export function, you can tell it to export users with IDs 500 and above. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 23 Jun 2006, Petre Scheie wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 18:30, Mark Cockrell wrote: > >> Hello All, > >> I have what I hope will be an easy question for the more experienced > >> among us. I'm setting up a new server and I want to move the /home from > >> the old one to the new one. What would be the best/easiest way to move > >> all the files and folders to the new machine while preserving ownership > >> and permissions? > > > > If they are both on the network at once, from the old machine: > > cd /home > > rsync -essh -av . newmachine:/home > > > The wrinkle is that since he's moving to a new machine, he probably doesn't have all the > user IDs & PWs setup. If you copy the /etc/passwd, /etc/group, and /etc/shadow from the > old box to the new one, then all the home directories will keep their ownership correct. > Otherwise, if you create, say, bob on the new machine and it ends up with UID 517, but > it was UID 654 on the old box, /home/bob won't be accessible by bob on the new box. > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From baci at harborcityschool.org Fri Jun 23 13:41:19 2006 From: baci at harborcityschool.org (Chris Bacigalupo) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:41:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NELS & FOSS-Education Association In-Reply-To: <89bdd9f48f44fa760856baec656da61f@whitenitro.com> References: <20060621160024.932D773EDB@hormel.redhat.com> <89bdd9f48f44fa760856baec656da61f@whitenitro.com> Message-ID: <1151070079.7242.1.camel@linux.site> Please add me to the list of interested participants! I'd be eager to contribute time and energy to formation of such a group On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 15:58 -0400, Bryant Patten wrote: > Once again, David and Matt put on an awesome NELS gathering in Bethel, > Maine. Thanks guys! > > Much fun, lots of swapping of stories and expertise, and as others > mentioned, more teachers - which is really exciting. The food was > again fabulous - tough to complain about roast beef, shrimp and > chocolate cake (to give an example of one excellent meal). I just > don't understand why David doesn't ever mention the food :) > > We also discussed the idea of starting an association > (group/co-op/guild/organization) of Open Source and Education > consultants. Not surprisingly we ran smack into a definition of who > should be in this group but as a start we said the target is people > whose primary focus of their for-profit business is helping schools use > open source. There were several of us at the conference (David Trask - > CopperDog, Matt Oquist - Majen, Chris Johnson - Dirigo, Bill Sconce- In > Spec, Inc., Bryant Patten - White Nitro) who met and tried to answer > some of the following questions: > > 1) How many FOSS and education consultants are out there in the US? > (5? 50? 500? 5000?) > 2) Would such an organization help? (make school admin people feel > FOSS is legit, share resources, sponsor conferences) > 3) Should it be free or charge dues? (Dues could fund NELS-like > conferences in other parts of the country) > 4) Who should join? (consultants, schools, product companies...) > 4) Does something like this already exists? > > I have discussed this idea with some other consultants and plan to > bring it up with people at NECC as well. I volunteered to push this > forward for a bit and see what happens so please let me know (on list > or off) any thoughts, resources or suggestions. > > Bryant Patten > White Nitro, LLC > opensource at whitenitro.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Fri Jun 23 13:45:53 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:45:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Copying Files In-Reply-To: <449BE602.1010706@maltzen.net> References: <449B280C.4080704@honeygroveisd.net> <1151026740.12392.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <449BE602.1010706@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1151070353.14211.23.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 08:00, Petre Scheie wrote: > > If they are both on the network at once, from the old machine: > > cd /home > > rsync -essh -av . newmachine:/home > > > The wrinkle is that since he's moving to a new machine, he probably doesn't have all the > user IDs & PWs setup. If you copy the /etc/passwd, /etc/group, and /etc/shadow from the > old box to the new one, then all the home directories will keep their ownership correct. > Otherwise, if you create, say, bob on the new machine and it ends up with UID 517, but > it was UID 654 on the old box, /home/bob won't be accessible by bob on the new box. Tar and rsync will actually use the login names rather than the numeric id's and look up the matching uid on the destination unless you add the --numeric-id option but you are right that it is best to make sure they are the same. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ahodson at elp.rr.com Fri Jun 23 13:45:33 2006 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan Hodson) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:45:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] XP/pc loggin into K12LTSP Message-ID: <1151070333.5554.11.camel@HodsonNet1> Greetings The centralization of all servers that the district is keen on implementing has placed the student access to LTSP resources in jeopardy. I know there are users/geekmasters in the list that use remote logins. I've played with PXEX-1.2, and nomachine.com configurations with limited success. What are some other viable options to allow kids using xp boxes to access LTSP servers? (port info crucial) Help/hints appreciated. Alan Hodson El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org/ -=o=- From simon at titanic.co.uk Fri Jun 23 13:52:59 2006 From: simon at titanic.co.uk (Simon Faulkner) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:52:59 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Edubuntu - K12LTSP Message-ID: <449BF23B.6070305@titanic.co.uk> Hi All, I understand that the latest Edubuntu has k12LTSP built in? How do you do it? With the Fedora version you select K12LTSP during build then jut plug a terminal into the second network card and it works - how simple! I there a howto for K12LTSP on Edubuntu 6.06? I have surfed and read a lot but none seem to show me... TIA Simon From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jun 23 13:53:25 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:53:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NELS & FOSS-Education Association In-Reply-To: <1151070079.7242.1.camel@linux.site> References: <20060621160024.932D773EDB@hormel.redhat.com> <89bdd9f48f44fa760856baec656da61f@whitenitro.com> <1151070079.7242.1.camel@linux.site> Message-ID: <20060623135221.M48737@winonacotter.org> I would also be interested in being added to the list. On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:41:19 -0500, Chris Bacigalupo wrote > Please add me to the list of interested participants! > > I'd be eager to contribute time and energy to formation of such a group > > On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 15:58 -0400, Bryant Patten wrote: > > Once again, David and Matt put on an awesome NELS gathering in Bethel, > > Maine. Thanks guys! > > > > Much fun, lots of swapping of stories and expertise, and as others > > mentioned, more teachers - which is really exciting. The food was > > again fabulous - tough to complain about roast beef, shrimp and > > chocolate cake (to give an example of one excellent meal). I just > > don't understand why David doesn't ever mention the food :) > > > > We also discussed the idea of starting an association > > (group/co-op/guild/organization) of Open Source and Education > > consultants. Not surprisingly we ran smack into a definition of who > > should be in this group but as a start we said the target is people > > whose primary focus of their for-profit business is helping schools use > > open source. There were several of us at the conference (David Trask - > > CopperDog, Matt Oquist - Majen, Chris Johnson - Dirigo, Bill Sconce- In > > Spec, Inc., Bryant Patten - White Nitro) who met and tried to answer > > some of the following questions: > > > > 1) How many FOSS and education consultants are out there in the US? > > (5? 50? 500? 5000?) > > 2) Would such an organization help? (make school admin people feel > > FOSS is legit, share resources, sponsor conferences) > > 3) Should it be free or charge dues? (Dues could fund NELS-like > > conferences in other parts of the country) > > 4) Who should join? (consultants, schools, product companies...) > > 4) Does something like this already exists? > > > > I have discussed this idea with some other consultants and plan to > > bring it up with people at NECC as well. I volunteered to push this > > forward for a bit and see what happens so please let me know (on list > > or off) any thoughts, resources or suggestions. > > > > Bryant Patten > > White Nitro, LLC > > opensource at whitenitro.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org Fri Jun 23 14:31:12 2006 From: mgoodridge at chelseaeagles.org (Mark Goodridge) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:31:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NELS & FOSS-Education Association In-Reply-To: <89bdd9f48f44fa760856baec656da61f@whitenitro.com> References: <20060621160024.932D773EDB@hormel.redhat.com> <89bdd9f48f44fa760856baec656da61f@whitenitro.com> Message-ID: <449BFB30.5070508@chelseaeagles.org> Bryant Patten wrote: > We also discussed the idea of starting an association > (group/co-op/guild/organization) of Open Source and Education > consultants. I volunteered to push this forward > for a bit and see what happens so please let me know (on list or off) > any thoughts, resources or suggestions. > > Bryant Patten > White Nitro, LLC > opensource at whitenitro.com Speaking as a potential customer of members of the list - I think it's a great idea. Chris Johnson and David Trask have saved my butt many times and I would like to move beyond the "Hey guys, I'm in deep doo doo over here. Will someone bail me out." to a more formal business relationship (i.e. someone gets paid). Just my thoughts, -- Mark Goodridge The Computer Guy Chelsea Elementary School From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jun 23 15:27:17 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:27:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Edubuntu - K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <449BF23B.6070305@titanic.co.uk> References: <449BF23B.6070305@titanic.co.uk> Message-ID: Not quite....Edubuntu has LTSP built in, but it's not exactly the same experience as K12LTSP....there are a couple extra setup steps. It's pretty cool though "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >I understand that the latest Edubuntu has k12LTSP built in? > >How do you do it? > >With the Fedora version you select K12LTSP during build then jut plug a >terminal into the second network card and it works - how simple! > >I there a howto for K12LTSP on Edubuntu 6.06? I have surfed and read a >lot but none seem to show me... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From simon at titanic.co.uk Fri Jun 23 15:26:27 2006 From: simon at titanic.co.uk (Simon Faulkner) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:26:27 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Edubuntu - K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <449BF23B.6070305@titanic.co.uk> Message-ID: <449C0823.9080102@titanic.co.uk> David Trask wrote: > Not quite....Edubuntu has LTSP built in, but it's not exactly the same > experience as K12LTSP....there are a couple extra setup steps. It's > pretty cool though Ah, understood. ty Is there a simple howto? Sim From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Fri Jun 23 15:38:34 2006 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:38:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NELS & FOSS-Education Association In-Reply-To: <20060623135221.M48737@winonacotter.org> References: <20060621160024.932D773EDB@hormel.redhat.com> <89bdd9f48f44fa760856baec656da61f@whitenitro.com> <1151070079.7242.1.camel@linux.site> <20060623135221.M48737@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <449C0AFA.5090202@physics.isu.edu> I'm interested in this a well, please add me to the list if it turns out to be a nationwide group. Also, I'd like to host a conference in the Intermountain West if there is enough interest. I'm in SE Idaho and we have world class hunting and fishing, skiing, rafting, backpacking, and mountain biking out here... Ben Nickell >> >> On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 15:58 -0400, Bryant Patten wrote: >>> Once again, David and Matt put on an awesome NELS gathering in Bethel, >>> Maine. Thanks guys! >>> >>> Much fun, lots of swapping of stories and expertise, and as others >>> mentioned, more teachers - which is really exciting. The food was >>> again fabulous - tough to complain about roast beef, shrimp and >>> chocolate cake (to give an example of one excellent meal). I just >>> don't understand why David doesn't ever mention the food :) >>> >>> We also discussed the idea of starting an association >>> (group/co-op/guild/organization) of Open Source and Education >>> consultants. Not surprisingly we ran smack into a definition of who >>> should be in this group but as a start we said the target is people >>> whose primary focus of their for-profit business is helping schools use >>> open source. There were several of us at the conference (David Trask - >>> CopperDog, Matt Oquist - Majen, Chris Johnson - Dirigo, Bill Sconce- In >>> Spec, Inc., Bryant Patten - White Nitro) who met and tried to answer >>> some of the following questions: >>> >>> 1) How many FOSS and education consultants are out there in the US? >>> (5? 50? 500? 5000?) >>> 2) Would such an organization help? (make school admin people feel >>> FOSS is legit, share resources, sponsor conferences) >>> 3) Should it be free or charge dues? (Dues could fund NELS-like >>> conferences in other parts of the) >>> 4) Who should join? (consultants, schools, product companies...) >>> 4) Does something like this already exists? >>> >>> I have discussed this idea with some other consultants and plan to >>> bring it up with people at NECC as well. I volunteered to push this >>> forward for a bit and see what happens so please let me know (on list >>> or off) any thoughts, resources or suggestions. >>> >>> Bryant Patten >>> White Nitro, LLC >>> opensource at whitenitro.com > > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Jun 23 15:29:11 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:29:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Edubuntu - K12LTSP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200606231546.k5NFklkQ027062@mx1.redhat.com> Simon, Edubuntu is getting there, but it definitely isn't as robust or reliable as K12LTSP right now (my opinion). However, I prefer Ubuntu with LTSP and suggest that route if you want to use Ubuntu and have LTSP capabilities. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Director of Information Technology Epping School District P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 11:27 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Edubuntu - K12LTSP Not quite....Edubuntu has LTSP built in, but it's not exactly the same experience as K12LTSP....there are a couple extra setup steps. It's pretty cool though "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >I understand that the latest Edubuntu has k12LTSP built in? > >How do you do it? > >With the Fedora version you select K12LTSP during build then jut plug a >terminal into the second network card and it works - how simple! > >I there a howto for K12LTSP on Edubuntu 6.06? I have surfed and read a >lot but none seem to show me... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From andyr at wizzy.com Fri Jun 23 16:53:08 2006 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:53:08 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Edubuntu - K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <449BF23B.6070305@titanic.co.uk> References: <449BF23B.6070305@titanic.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060623165308.GB6369@wizzy.com> On Fri, 23 Jun 2006, Simon Faulkner wrote: > Hi All, > > I understand that the latest Edubuntu has k12LTSP built in? > > How do you do it? > > With the Fedora version you select K12LTSP during build then jut plug a > terminal into the second network card and it works - how simple! > > I there a howto for K12LTSP on Edubuntu 6.06? I have surfed and read a > lot but none seem to show me... K12LTSP has an entire separate environment for the client, a quiet backwater of operating system with waves made only by new X servers. Edubuntu creates the client environment from the mainstream kernel, drivers and glibc, at install time. It can take a while. This makes it less stable, but has the huge advantage that apt and dpkg work there, so you can install local apps, for instance. (There is a lot more to getting local apps to work - ssh tunnels and things). The advantage from Canonical's perspective is that there is only one kernel to maintain. And it all fits on one CD. I think that if you are an experienced administrator, you can use their server environment (gdm set up correctly, font server tweaks) and if you don't like their client, install the LTSP one. That is what I do - mainly because only LTSP4.2 has local devices. Yaay. Cheers, Andy! From les at futuresource.com Fri Jun 23 16:54:46 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:54:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Edubuntu - K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <200606231546.k5NFklkQ027062@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200606231546.k5NFklkQ027062@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1151081687.7299.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 11:29 -0400, Paul VanGundy wrote: > Edubuntu is getting there, but it definitely isn't as robust or reliable as > K12LTSP right now (my opinion). Does 'right now' mean the recent 6.06 release or is there any change? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Fri Jun 23 16:26:36 2006 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:26:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Copying Files In-Reply-To: <20060623160023.B3FDD73929@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060623160023.B3FDD73929@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <449C163C.5030603@honeygroveisd.net> > Les Mikesell wrote: >> On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 18:30, Mark Cockrell wrote: >>> Hello All, >>> I have what I hope will be an easy question for the more >>> experienced >>> among us. I'm setting up a new server and I want to move the /home >>> from >>> the old one to the new one. What would be the best/easiest way to move >>> all the files and folders to the new machine while preserving ownership >>> and permissions? >> >> If they are both on the network at once, from the old machine: >> cd /home >> rsync -essh -av . newmachine:/home >> > The wrinkle is that since he's moving to a new machine, he probably > doesn't have all the > user IDs & PWs setup. If you copy the /etc/passwd, /etc/group, and > /etc/shadow from the > old box to the new one, then all the home directories will keep their > ownership correct. > Otherwise, if you create, say, bob on the new machine and it ends up > with UID 517, but > it was UID 654 on the old box, /home/bob won't be accessible by bob on > the new box. > > Petre Not problem there. Both machines authenticate to a common LDAP server. Thanks for your help, everyone. With a little additional help in the #ltsp chat room on irc.freenode.net to get past some SSH difficulties, I'm happily rsyncing over 300 GB of user files. C-ya, Mark ____ "Democracy does not guarantee equality of conditions -- it only guarantees equality of opportunity." -- Irving Kristol From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Jun 23 18:15:58 2006 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:15:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Edubuntu - K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1151081687.7299.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <200606231546.k5NFklkQ027062@mx1.redhat.com> <1151081687.7299.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20060623141558.8hk8nw7peokwwk84@neatmail.unh.edu> Les, Yes. Right now as in 6.06. I am a huge fan of Ubuntu and it is by far my distro of choice (I have Ubuntu 6.06 running on servers and workstations alike as well as an LTSP 4.2 server and it is flawless). Managing and maintaining the servers are a breeze with apt-get. However, I am not as impressed with Edubuntu. I understand they are still working on their new way of integrating LTSP into the Ubuntu distro (MueKow isn't it?). We'll just have to keep watch. -Paul Quoting Les Mikesell : > On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 11:29 -0400, Paul VanGundy wrote: > >> Edubuntu is getting there, but it definitely isn't as robust or reliable as >> K12LTSP right now (my opinion). > > Does 'right now' mean the recent 6.06 release or is there any change? > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Fri Jun 23 18:42:17 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:42:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: FC5 Pirut replaces system-config-packages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is a bump but also a further question. The package selection during installation of FC5 seems less configurable as compared to FC3. There is no "install everything" feature. Considering this I tried to use Pirut to select packages to install from the CDROM iso's but Pirut always downloads stuff wasting bandwidth (and being slower). Anyone had these issues? I miss system-config-packages and "install everything". On 5/14/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > How does one instruct pirut to grab the rpm's from the installation > cdrom's instead of downloading everything? system-config-packages use > to just prompt for the cd's. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jun 23 18:46:11 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:46:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: FC5 Pirut replaces system-config-packages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <449C36F3.7030609@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > This is a bump but also a further question. The package selection > during installation of FC5 seems less configurable as compared to FC3. > There is no "install everything" feature. Considering this I tried to > use Pirut to select packages to install from the CDROM iso's but Pirut > always downloads stuff wasting bandwidth (and being slower). Anyone > had these issues? I miss system-config-packages and "install > everything". > > On 5/14/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> How does one instruct pirut to grab the rpm's from the installation >> cdrom's instead of downloading everything? system-config-packages use >> to just prompt for the cd's. >> This has come up quite a few times on the Fedora list. I haven't been following the threads, so I don't know if there will be any changes, but the issue certainly has been raised. I hope to install FC6t1 a little later today, it will be interesting to see what changes have been made... -Eric From mvl.1 at newulmtel.net Fri Jun 23 19:08:22 2006 From: mvl.1 at newulmtel.net (mvl.1 at newulmtel.net) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:08:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Booting a Client In-Reply-To: <449C36F3.7030609@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <449C36F3.7030609@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <62242.66.60.207.191.1151089702.squirrel@mail.newulmtel.net> I have a new installation of K12LTSP. Some clients boot normally; One set of identical machines (about 20) terminate the boot with "Fatal server error: no screens found." Just before the error message, the screen reads Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o": No Symbols found Skipping "/usr/...............................:m_debug_norm.o": No symbols found Skipping "/usr/...............................:m_debug_xform.o": No symbols found (EE) No devices detected. Sometimes the boot ends sooner with the message Running dhcpcd on port 67 ERROR! No root-path. Check your DHCP configuration, to make sure that the 'option root-path' is specified Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! Can you help me with these situations? Thanks, Tom Hartwig ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using SquirrelMail. NU-Telecom, Inc. http://www.newulmtel.net/ From mvl.1 at newulmtel.net Fri Jun 23 19:19:45 2006 From: mvl.1 at newulmtel.net (mvl.1 at newulmtel.net) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:19:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Booting a Client Message-ID: <62279.66.60.207.191.1151090385.squirrel@mail.newulmtel.net> Sorry if this is a duplication - not sure if it was sent. I have a new installation of K12LTSP. Some clients boot normally; One set of identical machines (about 20) terminate the boot with "Fatal server error: no screens found." Just before the error message, the screen reads Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o": No Symbols found Skipping "/usr/...............................:m_debug_norm.o": No symbols found Skipping "/usr/...............................:m_debug_xform.o": No symbols found (EE) No devices detected. Sometimes the boot ends sooner with the message Running dhcpcd on port 67 ERROR! No root-path. Check your DHCP configuration, to make sure that the 'option root-path' is specified Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! Can you help me with these situations? Thanks, Tom Hartwig ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using SquirrelMail. NU-Telecom, Inc. http://www.newulmtel.net/ From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jun 23 20:00:33 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:00:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting a Client In-Reply-To: <62279.66.60.207.191.1151090385.squirrel@mail.newulmtel.net> References: <62279.66.60.207.191.1151090385.squirrel@mail.newulmtel.net> Message-ID: <449C4861.3040909@maltzen.net> mvl.1 at newulmtel.net wrote: > Sorry if this is a duplication - not sure if it was sent. > > I have a new installation of K12LTSP. Some clients boot normally; One set > of identical machines (about 20) terminate the boot with "Fatal server > error: no screens found." > What version of K12LTSP are you running? The 4.4.1 or the 5.0 (beta)? Look in /etc/k12ltsp-release if you're not sure. Just guessing here, but it sounds like it's not able to properly detect the video card/chipset in those clients. Get the MAC address of one of the clients in question, add it to the /etc/dhcpd.conf* file like so: host problem { hardware ethernet 00:90:27:b6:b9:15; } but use the MAC address of the client instead of the number I used. If you look toward the bottom of the file, you'll see other examples. What you're doing here is just assigning a name to the client so it's easier to configure what X server it loads. After you've made the above change, restart the DHCP server ('service dhcpd restart'). Then add this to the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file: [problem] XSERVER = vesa Add this to the bottom of the file; there are other examples there, too. After that, reboot your client and see what you get. What you've done is told the system that the client with MAC address 00:90:27:b6:b9:15 and known by the name 'problem' should have the vesa X server loaded, rather than trying to auto configure it. HTH Petre From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jun 23 20:24:57 2006 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:24:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting a Client In-Reply-To: <449C4861.3040909@maltzen.net> References: <62279.66.60.207.191.1151090385.squirrel@mail.newulmtel.net> <449C4861.3040909@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <449C4E19.4020701@maltzen.net> Forgot to include my footnote about /etc/dhcpd.conf. In version 5 it has a slightly different name, dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf. Petre Scheie wrote: > mvl.1 at newulmtel.net wrote: >> Sorry if this is a duplication - not sure if it was sent. >> >> I have a new installation of K12LTSP. Some clients boot normally; One set >> of identical machines (about 20) terminate the boot with "Fatal server >> error: no screens found." >> > What version of K12LTSP are you running? The 4.4.1 or the 5.0 (beta)? > Look in /etc/k12ltsp-release if you're not sure. > > Just guessing here, but it sounds like it's not able to properly detect > the video card/chipset in those clients. Get the MAC address of one of > the clients in question, add it to the /etc/dhcpd.conf* file like so: > > host problem { > hardware ethernet 00:90:27:b6:b9:15; > } > > but use the MAC address of the client instead of the number I used. If > you look toward the bottom of the file, you'll see other examples. What > you're doing here is just assigning a name to the client so it's easier > to configure what X server it loads. After you've made the above change, > restart the DHCP server ('service dhcpd restart'). Then add this to the > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file: > > [problem] > XSERVER = vesa > > Add this to the bottom of the file; there are other examples there, > too. After that, reboot your client and see what you get. What you've > done is told the system that the client with MAC address > 00:90:27:b6:b9:15 and known by the name 'problem' should have the vesa X > server loaded, rather than trying to auto configure it. HTH > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From drloomis at cox-internet.com Fri Jun 23 21:27:24 2006 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Dr. Daniel Loomis) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:27:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual monitor video card In-Reply-To: <20060623160024.3B2C27391E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060623160024.3B2C27391E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <449C5CBC.8080008@cox-internet.com> I am currently using an ATI rage 64 (agp) as primary and and old Matrox Millenium II (pci) to run dual monitors on my server. The setup works well enough, but I would like to upgrade the video card to something a little more current. The motherboard is a Tyan S2460 with single agp 2x/4x slot. I do not play games on the server, but do process a lot of video, so latest and greatest is not important. Solid Linux support is of much greater importance. Any suggestions for a suitable dual-head agp card. ATI, Nvidia or whatever. Dan From ybjones at one.net Sat Jun 24 03:41:49 2006 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:41:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual monitor video card In-Reply-To: <449C5CBC.8080008@cox-internet.com> Message-ID: <002001c69740$23b93800$662434ac@SGTInc.local> > I am currently using an ATI rage 64 (agp) as primary and and > old Matrox Millenium II (pci) to run dual monitors on my > server. The setup works well enough, but I would like to > upgrade the video card to something a little more current. > The motherboard is a Tyan S2460 with single agp 2x/4x slot. > > I do not play games on the server, but do process a lot of > video, so latest and greatest is not important. Solid Linux > support is of much greater importance. > > Any suggestions for a suitable dual-head agp card. ATI, > Nvidia or whatever. I have had good luck with a Matrox G400 and G450 in the past. I had them working with dual monitors under a couple of Linux distros. It's not the most modern chipset but you could probably get one pretty cheap. -Yancey From hick518 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 24 15:02:02 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] XP/pc loggin into K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1151070333.5554.11.camel@HodsonNet1> Message-ID: <20060624150202.91292.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You can use VNC do access the K12LTSP servers. Download TightVNC Viewer for windows here: http://www.tightvnc.com/download.html By centralization of servers, do you mean that kids will have to be accessing these servers over the internet/vpn? Or just from a different room in the same building? I've used freenx and nomachine's nx client on a CentOS system and I preferred it greatly over VNC. What kind of troubles were you having with it? -Rob --- Alan Hodson wrote: > Greetings > > The centralization of all servers that the district > is keen on > implementing has placed the student access to LTSP > resources in > jeopardy. I know there are users/geekmasters in the > list that use remote > logins. I've played with PXEX-1.2, and nomachine.com > configurations with > limited success. What are some other viable options > to allow kids using > xp boxes to access LTSP servers? (port info crucial) > > Help/hints appreciated. > > Alan Hodson > El Paso ISD, TX > http://links.episd.org/ > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jam at mcquil.com Sat Jun 24 20:39:55 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 16:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Edubuntu - K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <20060623165308.GB6369@wizzy.com> References: <449BF23B.6070305@titanic.co.uk> <20060623165308.GB6369@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <16875.81.80.162.90.1151181595.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Fri, June 23, 2006 12:53 pm, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > On Fri, 23 Jun 2006, Simon Faulkner wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I understand that the latest Edubuntu has k12LTSP built in? >> >> How do you do it? >> >> With the Fedora version you select K12LTSP during build then jut plug a >> terminal into the second network card and it works - how simple! >> >> I there a howto for K12LTSP on Edubuntu 6.06? I have surfed and read a >> lot but none seem to show me... > > K12LTSP has an entire separate environment for the client, a quiet > backwater of operating system with waves made only by new X servers. > > Edubuntu creates the client environment from the mainstream kernel, > drivers and glibc, at install time. It can take a while. > > This makes it less stable, but has the huge advantage that apt and dpkg > work there, so you can install local apps, for instance. (There is a lot > more to getting local apps to work - ssh tunnels and things). I'll disagree about using mainstream binaries causing Ubuntu's LTSP to be less stable. In fact, it *should* be more stable. The only thing holding it back is the maturity of the glue holding it all together. We've been doing legacy LTSP for a long time, and we've refined it pretty well. On top of that, Eric has done a remarkable job packaging things up. The Ubuntu developers are definately coming up to speed quickly on how thin client support should be integrated into a distro, and from what we saw this week at the Ubuntu developer summit in Paris, the next release of Ubuntu (Edgy) which is due out in late october, looks to be the one we've all been waiting for, in terms of thin client support from a mainstream linux vendor. > > The advantage from Canonical's perspective is that there is only one > kernel to maintain. Interesting to note that we talked about Ubuntu supplying a trimmed down kernel for their LTSP implementation. My opinion is that the kernel is so modular, that you wouldn't realize any gain by stripping it down. > > And it all fits on one CD. > > I think that if you are an experienced administrator, you can use their > server environment (gdm set up correctly, font server tweaks) and if you > don't like their client, install the LTSP one. Using Ubuntu's LTSP without their LDM login manager is really quite simple. Edit the lts.conf file (You might have to create it, as it doesn't exist by default in Ubuntu). add this: [Default] SCREEN_01 = startx Then, edit the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/inittab file and comment out the getty starting on tty1. I've heard reports that the performance is MUCH better by doing this. Using the LDM causes the traffic to all be encrypted over ssh, which increases security, but unfortunately, has a huge negative impact on performance. > > That is what I do - mainly because only LTSP4.2 has local devices. Yaay. The Edgy release of Ubuntu will have the same wonderful local device support that is in LTSP-4.2 Yaaaaaaaay ! Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Jun 25 03:43:11 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:43:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Edubuntu - K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <16875.81.80.162.90.1151181595.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> References: <16875.81.80.162.90.1151181595.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: This is great news! jam at mcquil.com on Saturday, June 24, 2006 at 4:39 PM +0000 wrote: >On Fri, June 23, 2006 12:53 pm, Andy Rabagliati wrote: >> On Fri, 23 Jun 2006, Simon Faulkner wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I understand that the latest Edubuntu has k12LTSP built in? >>> >>> How do you do it? >>> >>> With the Fedora version you select K12LTSP during build then jut plug a >>> terminal into the second network card and it works - how simple! >>> >>> I there a howto for K12LTSP on Edubuntu 6.06? I have surfed and read >a >>> lot but none seem to show me... >> >> K12LTSP has an entire separate environment for the client, a quiet >> backwater of operating system with waves made only by new X servers. >> >> Edubuntu creates the client environment from the mainstream kernel, >> drivers and glibc, at install time. It can take a while. >> >> This makes it less stable, but has the huge advantage that apt and dpkg >> work there, so you can install local apps, for instance. (There is a lot >> more to getting local apps to work - ssh tunnels and things). > >I'll disagree about using mainstream binaries causing Ubuntu's LTSP to be >less stable. In fact, it *should* be more stable. The only thing holding >it back is the maturity of the glue holding it all together. We've been >doing legacy LTSP for a long time, and we've refined it pretty well. On >top of that, Eric has done a remarkable job packaging things up. The >Ubuntu developers are definately coming up to speed quickly on how thin >client support should be integrated into a distro, and from what we saw >this week at the Ubuntu developer summit in Paris, the next release of >Ubuntu (Edgy) which is due out in late october, looks to be the one we've >all been waiting for, in terms of thin client support from a mainstream >linux vendor. > > >> >> The advantage from Canonical's perspective is that there is only one >> kernel to maintain. > >Interesting to note that we talked about Ubuntu supplying a trimmed down >kernel for their LTSP implementation. My opinion is that the kernel is so >modular, that you wouldn't realize any gain by stripping it down. > >> >> And it all fits on one CD. >> >> I think that if you are an experienced administrator, you can use their >> server environment (gdm set up correctly, font server tweaks) and if you >> don't like their client, install the LTSP one. > >Using Ubuntu's LTSP without their LDM login manager is really quite >simple. Edit the lts.conf file (You might have to create it, as it >doesn't exist by default in Ubuntu). add this: > >[Default] > SCREEN_01 = startx > >Then, edit the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/inittab file and comment out the getty >starting on tty1. I've heard reports that the performance is MUCH better >by doing this. Using the LDM causes the traffic to all be encrypted over >ssh, which increases security, but unfortunately, has a huge negative >impact on performance. > >> >> That is what I do - mainly because only LTSP4.2 has local devices. >Yaay. > >The Edgy release of Ubuntu will have the same wonderful local device >support that is in LTSP-4.2 Yaaaaaaaay ! > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From edward at netday.org.za Sun Jun 25 06:17:38 2006 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:17:38 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Edubuntu - K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <16875.81.80.162.90.1151181595.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> References: <449BF23B.6070305@titanic.co.uk> <20060623165308.GB6369@wizzy.com> <16875.81.80.162.90.1151181595.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> Message-ID: <6546E323-5FF5-44F8-B6C2-BFC2429DE4FD@netday.org.za> > The > Ubuntu developers are definately coming up to speed quickly on how > thin > client support should be integrated into a distro, and from what we > saw > this week at the Ubuntu developer summit in Paris, the next release of > Ubuntu (Edgy) which is due out in late october, looks to be the one > we've > all been waiting for, in terms of thin client support from a > mainstream > linux vendor. > Assuming that the next release of Edubuntu actually runs practically any client you throw at it, like K12LTSP does, what will be the compelling reasons going for switching from a perfectly working K12LTSP solution to Edubuntu. ed From andyr at wizzy.com Sun Jun 25 12:29:14 2006 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:29:14 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Edubuntu - K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <6546E323-5FF5-44F8-B6C2-BFC2429DE4FD@netday.org.za> References: <449BF23B.6070305@titanic.co.uk> <20060623165308.GB6369@wizzy.com> <16875.81.80.162.90.1151181595.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <6546E323-5FF5-44F8-B6C2-BFC2429DE4FD@netday.org.za> Message-ID: <20060625122914.GA8462@wizzy.com> On Sun, 25 Jun 2006, Edward Holcroft wrote: > Jim wrote: > > >The Ubuntu developers are definately coming up to speed quickly on > >how thin client support should be integrated into a distro, and from > >what we saw this week at the Ubuntu developer summit in Paris, the > >next release of Ubuntu (Edgy) which is due out in late october, looks > >to be the one we've all been waiting for, in terms of thin client > >support from a mainstream linux vendor. > > > > Assuming that the next release of Edubuntu actually runs practically > any client you throw at it, like K12LTSP does, what will be the > compelling reasons going for switching from a perfectly working > K12LTSP solution to Edubuntu. Horses for courses, I am sure. K12LTSP is redhattish, Edubuntu is Debianish. But I think the main advantage is being able to use apt in the Thin Client environment. If you never mess with the client environment (I don't) then it probably makes little difference. I think the RHEL4 path is an improvement for the stability of the libraries, etc., over Fedora. Ubuntu similarly has a better grip on fixed glibc versions. And you might prefer the Ubuntu desktop over the K12LTSP desktop. Cheers, Andy! From les at futuresource.com Sun Jun 25 16:13:43 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:13:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Edubuntu - K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <20060625122914.GA8462@wizzy.com> References: <449BF23B.6070305@titanic.co.uk> <20060623165308.GB6369@wizzy.com> <16875.81.80.162.90.1151181595.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <6546E323-5FF5-44F8-B6C2-BFC2429DE4FD@netday.org.za> <20060625122914.GA8462@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <1151252023.20706.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2006-06-25 at 07:29, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > I think the RHEL4 path is an improvement for the stability of the > libraries, etc., over Fedora. Ubuntu similarly has a better grip on > fixed glibc versions. Note that there is a K12ltsp version based on CentOS if you prefer stability at the expense of somewhat out of date apps. It will be interesting to see Ubuntu handles this tradeoff in future updates. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at gmail.com Sun Jun 25 16:51:06 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:51:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Edubuntu - K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <20060625122914.GA8462@wizzy.com> References: <449BF23B.6070305@titanic.co.uk> <20060623165308.GB6369@wizzy.com> <16875.81.80.162.90.1151181595.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <6546E323-5FF5-44F8-B6C2-BFC2429DE4FD@netday.org.za> <20060625122914.GA8462@wizzy.com> Message-ID: On 6/25/06, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > On Sun, 25 Jun 2006, Edward Holcroft wrote: > > > Jim wrote: > > > > >The Ubuntu developers are definately coming up to speed quickly on > > >how thin client support should be integrated into a distro, and from > > >what we saw this week at the Ubuntu developer summit in Paris, the > > >next release of Ubuntu (Edgy) which is due out in late october, looks > > >to be the one we've all been waiting for, in terms of thin client > > >support from a mainstream linux vendor. > > > > > > > Assuming that the next release of Edubuntu actually runs practically > > any client you throw at it, like K12LTSP does, what will be the > > compelling reasons going for switching from a perfectly working > > K12LTSP solution to Edubuntu. > > Horses for courses, I am sure. > > K12LTSP is redhattish, Edubuntu is Debianish. > > But I think the main advantage is being able to use apt in the Thin > Client environment. If you never mess with the client environment > (I don't) then it probably makes little difference. > Actually there is another difference. K12ltsp uses X to connect to the clients whereas Edubuntu (Muekow ltsp), I think, uses ssh to tunnel X to the clients. This is definitely a more secure way of using thin clients especially if students are going to be doing stuff like online banking and why I never type my root password into a client. However, there is a price for this: min. system requirments for the clients goes up (eg PIII 450 whereas for k12ltsp a P90 is okay) because everything has to get encrypted and decrypted without a lot of latency. Same extra overhead of encrypt/decrypt goes for the server for EVERY client. > I think the RHEL4 path is an improvement for the stability of the > libraries, etc., over Fedora. Ubuntu similarly has a better grip on > fixed glibc versions. > > And you might prefer the Ubuntu desktop over the K12LTSP desktop. > > Cheers, Andy! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From edward at netday.org.za Sun Jun 25 18:01:29 2006 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:01:29 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Edubuntu - K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <449BF23B.6070305@titanic.co.uk> <20060623165308.GB6369@wizzy.com> <16875.81.80.162.90.1151181595.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <6546E323-5FF5-44F8-B6C2-BFC2429DE4FD@netday.org.za> <20060625122914.GA8462@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <91E831D0-F6F3-4D30-AB57-3DD325E0CB99@netday.org.za> > > Actually there is another difference. K12ltsp uses X to connect to the > clients whereas Edubuntu (Muekow ltsp), I think, uses ssh to tunnel X > to the clients. This is definitely a more secure way of using thin > clients especially if students are going to be doing stuff like online > banking and why I never type my root password into a client. However, > there is a price for this: min. system requirments for the clients > goes up (eg PIII 450 whereas for k12ltsp a P90 is okay) because > everything has to get encrypted and decrypted without a lot of > latency. Same extra overhead of encrypt/decrypt goes for the server > for EVERY client. I never had any idea about such a massive increase in the client requirements. Thanks for the advice. It'd be troublesome for us here in South Africa to suddenly have to start looking for PIII thin clients. Many schools here have bought into the idea of LTSP with the re-use of P1's as a selling point. Is K12LTSP also looking at Muekow in the future? ed Edward Holcroft Executive Director: NetDay South Africa From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sun Jun 25 19:28:27 2006 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 19:28:27 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting a Client Message-ID: <1151263707.19432.10.camel@server1.eazylivin.net> Tom, If you installed k12ltsp 5.0, it is most likely within the dhcp.conf file. But another possibility would be if this is the first install of k12ltsp in this building and you installed say k12ltsp 4.4.1 make sure you do not have another dhcp server running on the same subnet your k12ltsp server is plugged into. This is the voice of experience talking:). This happened to me when first starting in k12ltsp world. Some clients would boot fine, and others would kernel panic at dhcp. if you have a laptop handy plug it in the same switch your k12ltsp server is plugged into and see what ip settings it is coming up with. Try this a few times, to verify.< service network restart> on linux laptop, or ipconfig /renew on a winders laptop.you should see 192.168.0.x with ltsp being the domain suffix( with a default install of k12ltsp). If you have an isolated switch that is strictly plugged into your k12ltsp server and that is all then it can not be a dhcp extra server running, obviously. Keep at it.:) Barry Cisna From jam at mcquil.com Sun Jun 25 19:37:11 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Edubuntu - K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <6546E323-5FF5-44F8-B6C2-BFC2429DE4FD@netday.org.za> References: <449BF23B.6070305@titanic.co.uk> <20060623165308.GB6369@wizzy.com> <16875.81.80.162.90.1151181595.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <6546E323-5FF5-44F8-B6C2-BFC2429DE4FD@netday.org.za> Message-ID: <36000.70.217.255.57.1151264231.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Sun, June 25, 2006 2:17 am, Edward Holcroft wrote: > >> The >> Ubuntu developers are definately coming up to speed quickly on how >> thin >> client support should be integrated into a distro, and from what we >> saw >> this week at the Ubuntu developer summit in Paris, the next release of >> Ubuntu (Edgy) which is due out in late october, looks to be the one >> we've >> all been waiting for, in terms of thin client support from a >> mainstream >> linux vendor. >> > > Assuming that the next release of Edubuntu actually runs practically > any client you throw at it, like K12LTSP does, what will be the > compelling reasons going for switching from a perfectly working > K12LTSP solution to Edubuntu. If you are one of the millions of happy k12ltsp users, then stick with it. If you prefer the Ubuntu/Debian environment, go with Edubuntu. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From jam at mcquil.com Sun Jun 25 19:43:16 2006 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Edubuntu - K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <91E831D0-F6F3-4D30-AB57-3DD325E0CB99@netday.org.za> References: <449BF23B.6070305@titanic.co.uk> <20060623165308.GB6369@wizzy.com> <16875.81.80.162.90.1151181595.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> <6546E323-5FF5-44F8-B6C2-BFC2429DE4FD@netday.org.za> <20060625122914.GA8462@wizzy.com> <91E831D0-F6F3-4D30-AB57-3DD325E0CB99@netday.org.za> Message-ID: <40395.70.217.255.57.1151264596.squirrel@www.mcquillansystems.com> On Sun, June 25, 2006 2:01 pm, Edward Holcroft wrote: >> >> Actually there is another difference. K12ltsp uses X to connect to the >> clients whereas Edubuntu (Muekow ltsp), I think, uses ssh to tunnel X >> to the clients. This is definitely a more secure way of using thin >> clients especially if students are going to be doing stuff like online >> banking and why I never type my root password into a client. However, >> there is a price for this: min. system requirments for the clients >> goes up (eg PIII 450 whereas for k12ltsp a P90 is okay) because >> everything has to get encrypted and decrypted without a lot of >> latency. Same extra overhead of encrypt/decrypt goes for the server >> for EVERY client. > > I never had any idea about such a massive increase in the client > requirements. Thanks for the advice. It'd be troublesome for us here > in South Africa to suddenly have to start looking for PIII thin > clients. Many schools here have bought into the idea of LTSP with the > re-use of P1's as a selling point. Ubuntu uses SSH by default for ltsp clients. BUT, it can be easily changed to use XDMCP, the same way k12ltsp does. The Ubuntu developers are VERY aware of the resource issues, and I'm fairly certain that by the time Edgy is released (late october), the resources needed for Ubuntu's LTSP will be very similar to that of K12ltsp. > > Is K12LTSP also looking at Muekow in the future? Yes, they sure are. lots of activity starting to happen around this issue. Should be a VERY interesting summer and fall, in the world of LTSP. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 25 20:42:39 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] gnome vfs default permissions Message-ID: <20060625204239.92322.qmail@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm trying to use gnome's "connect to server..." feature to access an ssh server. It defaults to giving permissions of rwxr-xr-x and I really need to have group write permission. It seems strange to me that gnome-vfs is adding this extra layer of permissions. I would have expected the permissions to be exactly as they are on the server, but this is not the case. If you want to see what I mean, mount a volume using the "connect to server..." gui and then right-click on the icon that shows up on your desktop. The "permissions" tab shows rwxr-xr-x and says the owner and group are root. Anybody know how to change this? -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From flickatomte at gmail.com Sun Jun 25 22:47:56 2006 From: flickatomte at gmail.com (Deborah White) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:47:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] classroom teachers Message-ID: <741a20fe0606251547x3782ac4ex9509e2c8be811408@mail.gmail.com> Hello~ Is there a forum for classroom teachers using K12osn? I'm looking for a listserv or a site where classroom teachers can ask questions, share learning activities for open source applications, discuss classroom management options when having multiple workstations in the classroom, how to use volunteers, how to influence administration-types, how to speak to the tech folks, etc. Can anyone direct me to such an option or shall I create my own? Thanks! Debbie White 1st/2nd grade looping Asa C. Adams School Orono, ME 04473 http://flickatomte.googlepages.com/ourlinuxadventure -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toddobryan at mac.com Sun Jun 25 23:31:17 2006 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 19:31:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] classroom teachers In-Reply-To: <741a20fe0606251547x3782ac4ex9509e2c8be811408@mail.gmail.com> References: <741a20fe0606251547x3782ac4ex9509e2c8be811408@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1151278277.15979.3.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2006-06-25 at 17:47 -0500, Deborah White wrote: > Hello~ > > Is there a forum for classroom teachers using K12osn? I'm looking for > a listserv or a site where classroom teachers can ask questions, share > learning activities for open source applications, discuss classroom > management options when having multiple workstations in the classroom, > how to use volunteers, how to influence administration-types, how to > speak to the tech folks, etc. Can anyone direct me to such an option > or shall I create my own? > > Thanks! > > Debbie White > 1st/2nd grade looping > Asa C. Adams School > Orono, ME 04473 This is it. If you can ignore the technobabble that comes along for the ride, this is a great place to do all of that. Todd From flickatomte at gmail.com Mon Jun 26 17:01:52 2006 From: flickatomte at gmail.com (Deborah White) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:01:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] classroom teachers Message-ID: <741a20fe0606261001h7af85e4fle5676da896356de6@mail.gmail.com> Sorry, Todd, and anyone else who thinks that this forum is good for *classroom teachers*. Since I subscribed to this earlier this year, I have yet to see anything but technical discussions. I'm looking for discussions on student and teacher use in the classroom. If anyone knows of this kind of online discussion, please let me know. Or if you know there is not this kind of discussion going on, let me know that, too, so I can begin one. Thanks! Debbie White 1st/2nd Grade Looping Teacher Asa C. 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Or if you > know there is not this kind of discussion going on, let me know that, > too, so I can begin one. > > Thanks! > > Debbie White > 1st/2nd Grade Looping Teacher > Asa C. Adams School > Orono, Me > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org Mon Jun 26 17:47:28 2006 From: DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org (DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:47:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RHEL with K12LTSP packages Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At any rate, the ISOs are here: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.3EL-32bit/iso/ -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From wipf_jonte at havenschool.org Mon Jun 26 18:19:20 2006 From: wipf_jonte at havenschool.org (Jonte' Wipf) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:19:20 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) Subject: [K12OSN] classroom teachers References: <741a20fe0606261001h7af85e4fle5676da896356de6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44A02528.000007.00384@ENTRY64> Hi Debbie Same here... I joined this list a few weeks back now, after I went to the TuXlabs conference. I"m also in search of a list that would be helpful for classroom teachers, as I'm not as adept at typing in commands as the folks on this list. Eventually, I'll get to this level but for now, I'm at a very elementary level of using open source software within the classroom. Sincerely Jonte Wipf Haven School -------Original Message------- From: Deborah White Date: 06/26/06 12:09:10 To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] classroom teachers Sorry, Todd, and anyone else who thinks that this forum is good for classroom teachers. Since I subscribed to this earlier this year, I have yet to see anything but technical discussions. I'm looking for discussions on student and teacher use in the classroom. If anyone knows of this kind of online discussion, please let me know. Or if you know there is not this kind of discussion going on, let me know that, too, so I can begin one. Thanks! Debbie White 1st/2nd Grade Looping Teacher Asa C. Adams School Orono, Me -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 6/26/06, Huck wrote: > You might want to begin one. -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) From les at futuresource.com Mon Jun 26 18:38:17 2006 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:38:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RHEL with K12LTSP packages In-Reply-To: <44A01FCF.4030305@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44A01FCF.4030305@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1151347097.23778.64.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2006-06-26 at 10:56 -0700, Dan Young wrote: > DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org wrote: > > From reading this list I see that I might be able to upgrade to RHEL 4 > > with K12LTSP packages. Is that correct? If so, where do I download them? > > What would you be upgrading from? It's very possible that a new install > might need to be done. At any rate, the ISOs are here: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.3EL-32bit/iso/ That's CentOS based, not RHEL - but it is essentially the same thing rebuilt from source RPMS. I'd expect the same ltsp and other add-on rpms to install on a real RHEL, though. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jun 26 18:54:50 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:54:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RHEL with K12LTSP packages In-Reply-To: <1151347097.23778.64.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <44A01FCF.4030305@mesd.k12.or.us> <1151347097.23778.64.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <44A02D7A.7010000@mesd.k12.or.us> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2006-06-26 at 10:56 -0700, Dan Young wrote: >> DWatkins at frkl.wnyric.org wrote: >>> From reading this list I see that I might be able to upgrade to RHEL 4 >>> with K12LTSP packages. Is that correct? If so, where do I download them? >> What would you be upgrading from? It's very possible that a new install >> might need to be done. At any rate, the ISOs are here: >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.3EL-32bit/iso/ > > That's CentOS based, not RHEL - but it is essentially the same thing > rebuilt from source RPMS. I'd expect the same ltsp and other > add-on rpms to install on a real RHEL, though. Yeah, sorry. I don't know why I didn't point that out. Heat must be getting to me... -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From thepiano at telenet.be Mon Jun 26 18:40:13 2006 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:40:13 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] classroom teachers In-Reply-To: <44A02528.000007.00384@ENTRY64> References: <741a20fe0606261001h7af85e4fle5676da896356de6@mail.gmail.com> <44A02528.000007.00384@ENTRY64> Message-ID: <83249D3C-DCDD-4DBC-933E-2E4E0A97AD01@telenet.be> If anyone is interested I'll be willing to setup a list at our serverfarm for classroom discussions. I'll wait for your answers. Hanne Op 26-jun-06, om 20:19 heeft Jonte' Wipf het volgende geschreven: > Hi Debbie > > Same here... I joined this list a few weeks back now, after I went > to the TuXlabs conference. I"m also in search of a list that would > be helpful for classroom teachers, as I'm not as adept at typing in > commands as the folks on this list. Eventually, I'll get to this > level but for now, I'm at a very elementary level of using open > source software within the classroom. > > Sincerely > Jonte Wipf > Haven School > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Deborah White > Date: 06/26/06 12:09:10 > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] classroom teachers > > Sorry, Todd, and anyone else who thinks that this forum is good for > classroom teachers. Since I subscribed to this earlier this year, > I have yet to see anything but technical discussions. I'm looking > for discussions on student and teacher use in the classroom. If > anyone knows of this kind of online discussion, please let me > know. Or if you know there is not this kind of discussion going > on, let me know that, too, so I can begin one. > > Thanks! > > Debbie White > 1st/2nd Grade Looping Teacher > Asa C. Adams School > Orono, Me > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com Mon Jun 26 19:45:25 2006 From: nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com (Nick Fenger) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Online Portfolios Message-ID: <20060626194525.97374.qmail@web60725.mail.yahoo.com> My school is looking to have students present a portfolio of thier work online. This is a "career" portfolio which would be the best work from the student's year(s) at our school. In essence, they will be creating a structured web page (similar to creating an online profile page). Anyone have any experience with this? Can you recommend any software/services? Thanks, Nick Fenger Trillium Charter School Portland, OR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at gmail.com Mon Jun 26 19:49:58 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:49:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] classroom teachers In-Reply-To: <44A02528.000007.00384@ENTRY64> References: <741a20fe0606261001h7af85e4fle5676da896356de6@mail.gmail.com> <44A02528.000007.00384@ENTRY64> Message-ID: On 6/26/06, Jonte' Wipf wrote: > > > > > Hi Debbie > > Same here... I joined this list a few weeks back now, after I went to the TuXlabs conference. I"m also in search of a list that would be helpful for classroom teachers, as I'm not as adept at typing in commands as the folks on this list. Eventually, I'll get to this level but for now, I'm at a very elementary level of using open source software within the classroom. Even though there can be very technical conversations on this list it has also had many threads about things like Firefox, OpenOffice, programming languages, teaching pedagody, classroom management etc. There are many teachers on this list (including myself). This list has a big following. Instead of starting your own list with a small amount of subscribers I would suggest posting your questions and see if a discussion begins. As long as it has anything remotely to do with a k12ltsp classroom. In other words you probably won't get much response how to setup MS Outlook, although I could be wrong. For now just ignore the technical stuff, maybe someday you might find it useful. -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From haynest at mchsi.com Mon Jun 26 20:21:36 2006 From: haynest at mchsi.com (haynest at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:21:36 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Online Portfolios Message-ID: <062620062021.1835.44A041D0000123BD0000072B219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF9B9C0A02970E08@mchsi.com> Nick... We have done different things with this. I have students complete a digital portfolio for my class. Here are a couple of random ones from PreCalc class I taught. http://student.culver.org/~tosil/math/ and http://student.culver.org/~dunlapt/math/ These are from an old model where I had students doing projects piecewise with links. I have them do self-contained projects now (they have a complete copy of the project in their home directory) but I am teaching Algebra 1 and the content/form is not so slick. http://student.culver.org/~sakkan/math/ (sorry about the colors) and http://student.culver.org/~hinseys/math/ are some examples from last grading period. I did a presentation at NCTM on portfolios in 2004, and I might be able to dredge up a link if you are interested. As a school, we are now using Lectora for student portfolios, and students track their progress and growth from the admissions letter to graduation in the context of signature strengths and their achievements. I did a presentation at TABS on this one last November. We handed out our TABS presentation in the form of a portfolio burned on CD, but the work is not really online. Teachers here do digital performance portfolios as web pages or Lectora portfolios as part of the tenure/review process. Regards... Tom > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From simon at titanic.co.uk Mon Jun 26 20:25:15 2006 From: simon at titanic.co.uk (Simon Faulkner) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:25:15 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Online Portfolios In-Reply-To: <20060626194525.97374.qmail@web60725.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060626194525.97374.qmail@web60725.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44A042AB.6090101@titanic.co.uk> Nick Fenger wrote: > My school is looking to have students present a portfolio of thier work > online. This is a "career" portfolio which would be the best work from > the student's year(s) at our school. In essence, they will be creating a > structured web page (similar to creating an online profile page). Hi Nick, If I was doing this I would setup Plone. Pupils can upload content to their own folder then you can just link and publish the bits you want for the public view. the new 2.1.3 version is a load better than older ones. They are moving fast. HTH Simon From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 26 21:45:22 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] classroom teachers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060626214522.55967.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Debbie, It's nice for the techie folks to see firsthand what the teachers want/need and how they are using the software. I think it's also nice for the teachers to get to know the techie folks on this list. Some of them are the actual authors of the software you're using. That's something that's fairly unique to open source software, and it might be something you want to take advantage of. Of course, I understand wanting to shield some people from the technical discussions if that sort of thing is not interesting and/or might confuse them. But all the discussions do have a subject line in them, and it's easy to skip or delete messages that aren't of any interest. I do it all the time--there's way more discussion taking place on this list than my schedule allows me to read. -Rob --- Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 6/26/06, Jonte' Wipf > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Debbie > > > > Same here... I joined this list a few weeks back > now, after I went to the TuXlabs conference. I"m > also in search of a list that would be helpful for > classroom teachers, as I'm not as adept at typing in > commands as the folks on this list. Eventually, I'll > get to this level but for now, I'm at a very > elementary level of using open source software > within the classroom. > > Even though there can be very technical > conversations on this list it > has also had many threads about things like Firefox, > OpenOffice, > programming languages, teaching pedagody, classroom > management etc. > There are many teachers on this list (including > myself). This list has > a big following. Instead of starting your own list > with a small amount > of subscribers I would suggest posting your > questions and see if a > discussion begins. As long as it has anything > remotely to do with a > k12ltsp classroom. In other words you probably won't > get much response > how to setup MS Outlook, although I could be wrong. > For now just > ignore the technical stuff, maybe someday you might > find it useful. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada > Fl_TeacherTool > http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > C++ GUI tutorial > http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Mon Jun 26 21:55:39 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:55:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] classroom teachers In-Reply-To: References: <20060626214522.55967.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 6/26/06, Rob Owens wrote: > Debbie, > > It's nice for the techie folks to see firsthand what > the teachers want/need and how they are using the > software. I think it's also nice for the teachers to > get to know the techie folks on this list. Having talked with hundreds of teachers at our Open Source Labs for the cue.org and necc shows, I *think* there is a huge group of teachers who are interested in FLOSS programs who will absolutely not be ready for, or want to be on, a list like this. And I think it is worth recognizing, that for FLOSS programs to gain some footing, there needs to be an easy entry point for them. Anyway, the list is up and we'll see what happens. http://groups.google.com/group/k12opensource/ -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon Jun 26 22:31:08 2006 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:31:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] classroom teachers In-Reply-To: <44A01AED.1040303@paasda.org> References: <741a20fe0606261001h7af85e4fle5676da896356de6@mail.gmail.com> <44A01AED.1040303@paasda.org> Message-ID: I'd agree. It's actually been asked about a couple of times. Teachers CAN learn on this list, but it DOES tend to be more technically focused. On Jun 26, 2006, at 12:35 PM, Huck wrote: > You might want to begin one. > > --Huck > > Deborah White wrote: >> Sorry, Todd, and anyone else who thinks that this forum is good >> for *classroom teachers*. Since I subscribed to this earlier this >> year, I have yet to see anything but technical discussions. I'm >> looking for discussions on student and teacher use in the >> classroom. If anyone knows of this kind of online discussion, >> please let me know. Or if you know there is not this kind of >> discussion going on, let me know that, too, so I can begin one. >> Thanks! >> Debbie White >> 1st/2nd Grade Looping Teacher >> Asa C. Adams School >> Orono, Me >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Jun 27 02:44:17 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:44:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Online Portfolios In-Reply-To: <20060626194525.97374.qmail@web60725.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060626194525.97374.qmail@web60725.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Contact Matt Oquist....he has developed this very thing (electronic portfolios)....it works as a module installed along with Moodle....very powerful and very well done moquist at majen.net nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com on Monday, June 26, 2006 at 3:45 PM +0000 wrote: >My school is looking to have students present a portfolio of thier work >online. This is a "career" portfolio which would be the best work from >the student's year(s) at our school. In essence, they will be creating a >structured web page (similar to creating an online profile page). > >Anyone have any experience with this? > >Can you recommend any software/services? > >Thanks, > >Nick Fenger >Trillium Charter School >Portland, OR > > > _______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jjjggg at hotmail.com Tue Jun 27 03:24:59 2006 From: jjjggg at hotmail.com (JohnG) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:24:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] classroom teachers References: <741a20fe0606251547x3782ac4ex9509e2c8be811408@mail.gmail.com> <1151278277.15979.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: > > This is it. If you can ignore the technobabble that comes along for the > ride, this is a great place to do all of that. > I personally like the technobabble ;-) Actually to Debbie's point, the stated purpose to this listserv is "the technical support and discussion of the K12OS Linux distribution." There doesn't seem to be much if any non-techie talk going on. Not that I want to receive any of the "start one yourself" postings, I've always wondered why this is still a listserv rather than a more modern web forum format like many other sites have (ie ipcops.com, contribs.org, etc). I'd love to access the postings in somewhat more organized fashion than having everything glommed together. It would be awesome to see sections like INSTALLATION, BETA DISCUSSION, MODS, SOUND SETUP, SERVER HARDWARE, CLIENT HARDWARE, TEACHER TALK, ANNOUNCEMENTS, etc. I don't know much time, money or energy this would entail, it's just a wish on my part. I don't think a simple google or yahoo group will suffice since I think everything would still be somewhat disorganized. I could start researching what this would entail but I'm sure others on here know way more about it that I would ever know. John From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Tue Jun 27 07:22:09 2006 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:22:09 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] classroom teachers In-Reply-To: References: <741a20fe0606251547x3782ac4ex9509e2c8be811408@mail.gmail.com> <1151278277.15979.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200606270822.09493.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Tuesday 27 Jun 2006 04:24, JohnG wrote: > I've > always wondered why this is still a listserv rather than a more modern web > forum format like many other sites have (ie ipcops.com, contribs.org, etc). I'm pleased that this IS a listserv rather than a web forum. The big advantage of a mailing list is that discussions automagically arrive on my PC, to read or ignore as I like. With a web interface, I have to make the effort to go and read the stuff, and me being lazy, I don't. It is also much easier to post to a listserv. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From timothy.hart at gmail.com Tue Jun 27 11:59:12 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:59:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] classroom teachers In-Reply-To: <200606270822.09493.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <741a20fe0606251547x3782ac4ex9509e2c8be811408@mail.gmail.com> <1151278277.15979.3.camel@localhost> <200606270822.09493.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <464c38cc0606270459w1423537bi61a3fa6ec46efffa@mail.gmail.com> John, I couldn't agree more. However, I think Martin's points are in the majority. I think the type of discussions that happens here may be more appropriate on a forum. There would be so many plusses, but alas I don't think you will convince people it will work. Tim On 6/27/06, Martin Woolley wrote: > > On Tuesday 27 Jun 2006 04:24, JohnG wrote: > > I've > > always wondered why this is still a listserv rather than a more modern > web > > forum format like many other sites have (ie ipcops.com, contribs.org, > etc). > > I'm pleased that this IS a listserv rather than a web forum. The big > advantage of a mailing list is that discussions automagically arrive on my > PC, to read or ignore as I like. With a web interface, I have to make the > effort to go and read the stuff, and me being lazy, I don't. It is also > much > easier to post to a listserv. > > -- > Regards > Martin Woolley > ICT Support > Handsworth Grammar School > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > ************************************************************* > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email > in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org > > The views expressed within this email are those of the > individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation > ************************************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 27 12:22:10 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 05:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] classroom teachers In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0606270459w1423537bi61a3fa6ec46efffa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060627122210.45481.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It looks like the K12opensource discussion group Steve just started has an RSS feed available. Perhaps that's a way to get the best of both worlds... an online forum with discussions grouped by topic, and an RSS feed for those of us (like me :) ) who might otherwise forgot to check without a proactive reminder. David Whitmer ----- Original Message ---- From: Timothy Hart To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 7:59:12 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] classroom teachers John, I couldn't agree more. However, I think Martin's points are in the majority. I think the type of discussions that happens here may be more appropriate on a forum. There would be so many plusses, but alas I don't think you will convince people it will work. Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Steve -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Jun 27 13:54:06 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:54:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] First Question at Non-technical K12 Open Source List Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Steve Hargadon Date: Jun 27, 2006 9:52 AM Subject: Re: K-12 Free and Open Source Software Discussion Group To: k12opensource at googlegroups.com On 6/26/06, Jack wrote: > > The biggest one and the one I wanted the most to work is Centre. It is > a student management system. http://www.miller-group.net. Ha! So you couldn't have picked an easy one to start us off, like Open Office, or Gimp? :) I've never used Centre. They do have a resource page of people you can contact to help you. I would imagine that for a student information system is not going to be the easiest place to start with Open Source flying solo, but I would also imagine that the benefits of Open Source would be really tangible in this circumstance. This may be a good example of "free software, paid support." I'll cross-post this to the K12OSN list as well and see if we can't get any feedback for you. Steve -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Jun 27 13:45:20 2006 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:45:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Email on LTSP Message-ID: <20060627064520.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.208aeede76.wbe@email.secureserver.net> We have run Squirrel Mail and loved the interface and extra plugin modules. http://www.squirrelmail.org/ ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] Email on LTSP > From: "Barry Van Gurp" > Date: Tue, June 27, 2006 7:58 am > To: > > Email on LTSP > > Good day, > > Has anyone run an email application other than the built in packages. We are considering running First Class email on a basic Fedora Core unit. Would appreciate comments from anyone who has done this. > > Barry Van Gurp > SAD31 Howland > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jun 27 14:59:33 2006 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:59:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Email on LTSP In-Reply-To: <20060627064520.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.208aeede76.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20060627064520.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.208aeede76.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20060627145803.M82847@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:45:20 -0700, rmcdaniel wrote > We have run Squirrel Mail and loved the interface and extra plugin > modules. > > http://www.squirrelmail.org/ I would recommend Squirrelmail as well, it is very modular which makes it powerful and I use it on some of my servers. However if you want something a little more refined "out of the box" give OpenWebmail a try, http://www.openwebmail.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Jun 27 15:24:02 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:24:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Email on LTSP In-Reply-To: <000501c699e9$5cc80580$6705a8c0@acer2e68c49b20> References: <000501c699e9$5cc80580$6705a8c0@acer2e68c49b20> Message-ID: Barry, I should work fine, although the guys at Kannon and Open Text seem to lean toward Mandriva as the distro of choice for them. Mandriva will feel very familiar as it's very similar to Fedora or Redhat. I'm planning to move to a Linux FirstClass server this summer (currently on windows)....I'll keep you posted. Gregg told me the Post Office migration should be a no-brainer. "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Good day, > >Has anyone run an email application other than the built in packages. We >are considering running First Class email on a basic Fedora Core unit. >Would appreciate comments from anyone who has done this. > >Barry Van Gurp >SAD31 Howland > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From ken at gccsda.com Tue Jun 27 16:17:42 2006 From: ken at gccsda.com (Ken Arany) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:17:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer in FC5 64bit Message-ID: <44A15A26.7030701@gccsda.com> I have been working with Beta10 of 5.0 64bit and everything has been working until I tried to install smbldap-installer. I know that the current version of smbldap doesn't claim to install on the new version yet, but I tried it anyway. The problem I have run into is that openldap seems to have changed some of their file structure and now slapd.pid lives in /var/run/openldap/slapd.pid instead of /var/run/slapd.pid. I can install the smbldap-installer portion and everything still works, but after I modified the template for slapd.conf to reflect the new location of the slapd.pid, the smbldap-configure script runs once. However, when I try to reboot the system, it takes a long time trying to start "namd" and then again a long time for "System Messagebus" and thirdly on "ldap". I have tried to follow the script and see what other things are being changed by the script, but I'm coming up with head scatchings. Even if I tell ldap not to start at boot up it still takes a long time (close to 40mins) Has anyone else had this problem? if so do you have a solution yet. Is there a new smbldap -installer being worked on or should i uninstall the current openldap and install an older version? I have 9 new servers that need to be installed into 9 of my elementary school, hopefully by the end of the summer. Any help is much appreciated and thanks in advance. Ken Arany Georgia-Cumberland Conference of SDA IT Services ken at gccsda.org From alex.gm.mx at gmail.com Tue Jun 27 16:18:31 2006 From: alex.gm.mx at gmail.com (Alex Gutierrez) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:18:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I would like to know Message-ID: <66e742140606270918h50da9968mcf6af6171bf83b9f@mail.gmail.com> Someone knows if the k12os software has been applied in a country in Latin America?? i woudl like to know your experience. Thanks Alex -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alex Gutierrez wrote: > Someone knows if the k12os software has been applied in a country in > Latin America?? > i woudl like to know your experience. > > Thanks > Alex > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 27 16:56:49 2006 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:56:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] I would like to know In-Reply-To: <66e742140606270918h50da9968mcf6af6171bf83b9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060627165649.42032.qmail@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Alex, This link goes to a map of k12ltsp installations around the world, including a few in Central America. http://www.k12ltsp.com/ This is to an article about a school in Mexico that converted their computer lab from Windows 98 to Edubuntu with LTSP. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From flickatomte at gmail.com Tue Jun 27 21:50:05 2006 From: flickatomte at gmail.com (Deborah White) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:50:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thanks and first ? Message-ID: <741a20fe0606271450s16ce795ap344c307a8eaefcaf@mail.gmail.com> Hi~ Yes, I know I'm double-posting here but, I wanted to let those of you know that I will still be skimming K12osn at redhat.com because that will push my knowledge base further but for practical purposes, classroom teachers (and administrators) need a usage forum. Thanks, Steve, for setting this up. My first questions to teachers who are using K12LTSP are: Did you set up the virtual desktops for the students in your class? If so, how? Do you use your classroom terminals like learning centers or do you use another management technique? What's one of your favorite activities using Open Source with elementary kids? Does anyone have any good tips for introducing this to K-2 students? This fall, we will be beginning our Linux adventure. Each of 9 K-2 classrooms will have 5 K12LTSP workstations along with a K-2 Autism Room having 2 stations and a K-2 Resource Room having 2 stations. 3 of the teachers, (one K, one 1st, and one 2nd) attended NELS 2006 at Gould Academy in Bethel, Maine. The 3 of us have 1 paid training day to teach the other 6 classroom teachers. The Special Ed. teachers may or may not get funding to attend the training day. We're excited (and anxious). Any advice would be appreciated. Debbie White 1st/2nd Grade Looping Teacher Asa C. Adams School Orono, ME http://flickatomte.googlepages.com/ourlinuxadventure -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Jun 28 02:41:16 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:41:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thanks and first ? In-Reply-To: <741a20fe0606271450s16ce795ap344c307a8eaefcaf@mail.gmail.com> References: <741a20fe0606271450s16ce795ap344c307a8eaefcaf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tue Jun 27 2006 at 17:50 +0000 wrote: > Did you set up the virtual desktops for the students in your class? If >so, how? You can add icons easily using K12LTSP....you simply log in as root (the administrator) and that person creates "launchers" or shortcuts and pushes them to all desktops. A neater and easier way is to edit the menu....you can name things anyway you want....and you can create menu groups for different teachers or classes. I also recommend using a web page to put common links that you want kids to visit a lot.....our school web page is the default home page for everyone and there are lots of links I put in there for the kids to get to. Moodle is a great way to do this. > >Do you use your classroom terminals like learning centers or do you use >another management technique? I have a complete lab, but many of the teachers I know use it as a station that groups of kids will rotate to....for example....the teacher may be working with 5 kids on math.....5 other kids may be reading....and 5 kids working on the computers....typing a report or something. > >What's one of your favorite activities using Open Source with elementary >kids? Me personally? I love using KStars with the 3rd graders when they study the solar system > >Does anyone have any good tips for introducing this to K-2 students? Don't introduce it. Treat it as if it were any other computer. If you simply begin using them as though they were no different from any other computers....the kids will be just fine. I use Linux with all my kids....K-8....they could care less what it is. Empower the kids to change their wallpaper....and so forth....let them "own" their desktop....it's very empowering to kids and in the process they'll feel some ownership. We have a section called "Desktop Wallpaper" on our school site....feel free to check it out....I show the kids how to download some pics and change their wallpaper....we usually do this the first few days. I wouldn't do it with Kindergarten kids....but starting with grade 1 it's fine. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Jun 28 02:41:16 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:41:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thanks and first ? In-Reply-To: <741a20fe0606271450s16ce795ap344c307a8eaefcaf@mail.gmail.com> References: <741a20fe0606271450s16ce795ap344c307a8eaefcaf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tue Jun 27 2006 at 17:50 +0000 wrote: > Did you set up the virtual desktops for the students in your class? If >so, how? You can add icons easily using K12LTSP....you simply log in as root (the administrator) and that person creates "launchers" or shortcuts and pushes them to all desktops. A neater and easier way is to edit the menu....you can name things anyway you want....and you can create menu groups for different teachers or classes. I also recommend using a web page to put common links that you want kids to visit a lot.....our school web page is the default home page for everyone and there are lots of links I put in there for the kids to get to. Moodle is a great way to do this. > >Do you use your classroom terminals like learning centers or do you use >another management technique? I have a complete lab, but many of the teachers I know use it as a station that groups of kids will rotate to....for example....the teacher may be working with 5 kids on math.....5 other kids may be reading....and 5 kids working on the computers....typing a report or something. > >What's one of your favorite activities using Open Source with elementary >kids? Me personally? I love using KStars with the 3rd graders when they study the solar system > >Does anyone have any good tips for introducing this to K-2 students? Don't introduce it. Treat it as if it were any other computer. If you simply begin using them as though they were no different from any other computers....the kids will be just fine. I use Linux with all my kids....K-8....they could care less what it is. Empower the kids to change their wallpaper....and so forth....let them "own" their desktop....it's very empowering to kids and in the process they'll feel some ownership. We have a section called "Desktop Wallpaper" on our school site....feel free to check it out....I show the kids how to download some pics and change their wallpaper....we usually do this the first few days. I wouldn't do it with Kindergarten kids....but starting with grade 1 it's fine. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Jun 28 02:43:46 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:43:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Email on LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wait....are we talking the client or the server? I've been using the client for quite some time on K12LTSP and Ubuntu (to install on Ubuntu you need to download the Mandriva client and run alien to create a deb from the rpm). The Mandriva client works the best....even in FC5 "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tue Jun 27 2006 at 21:07 +0000 wrote: >We have been using FirstClass Linux Beta on K12LTSP for 2 years now. It >generally works very well but does have some issues as it is beta >software. We've even implemented the windows version through wine prior >to using the beta Linux version. You will want to configure the base >setup prior to making it available to the clients otherwise all clients >will have to configure the settings for themselves as the default setup >is copied over to the user home directories when first launched by the >user. > >Dan Visentin >Former Head of Business/Computers/IT contact >M. M. Robinson H.S. >"As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing." > _______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From simon at titanic.co.uk Wed Jun 28 13:19:17 2006 From: simon at titanic.co.uk (Simon Faulkner) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:19:17 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] WAN Boot Message-ID: <44A281D5.3000502@titanic.co.uk> If a terminal can get a local DHCP address and the DHCP server points them to a LTSP server through a routed connection can you have LTSP terminals 'off site'? Simon From jobrien at meridian.wednet.edu Wed Jun 28 15:30:58 2006 From: jobrien at meridian.wednet.edu (Joe OBrien) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:30:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Slight OT: Hard vs Soft Raid In-Reply-To: <44A281D5.3000502@titanic.co.uk> References: <44A281D5.3000502@titanic.co.uk> Message-ID: <44A2A0B2.2000803@meridian.wednet.edu> I have a moderate load samba server with Dual 600MHz with 2G ram and 3 SCSI Ultra-160 Drives. I have the choice of running Software-Raid at Ultra-160 (160MB/s) speed or running Hardware-Raid using a Perc-2/DC controller at Ultra2 Wide SCSI (80MB/s). I'm aware of some of the dis/advantages of both. Which is going to give the best performance and any suggestions on how to test this? --thx --joe o'brien Meridian School District Bellingham WA From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jun 28 15:49:06 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:49:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Slight OT: Hard vs Soft Raid In-Reply-To: <44A2A0B2.2000803@meridian.wednet.edu> References: <44A281D5.3000502@titanic.co.uk> <44A2A0B2.2000803@meridian.wednet.edu> Message-ID: <44A2A4F2.9040202@mesd.k12.or.us> Joe OBrien wrote: > I have a moderate load samba server with Dual 600MHz with 2G ram and 3 > SCSI Ultra-160 Drives. I have the choice of running Software-Raid at > Ultra-160 (160MB/s) speed or running Hardware-Raid using a Perc-2/DC > controller at Ultra2 Wide SCSI (80MB/s). I'm aware of some of the > dis/advantages of both. > > Which is going to give the best performance and any suggestions on how > to test this? I once overheard this bit of conversation: Q: Who makes the fastest RAID controllers? A: Intel. The upshot is that software RAID is quite fast. Benchmark with Bonnie++, IOzone, or Postmark. The first two are available in Fedora Extras. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From moquist at majen.net Wed Jun 28 16:56:31 2006 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:56:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer in FC5 64bit (Ken Arany) In-Reply-To: <20060628160024.71491737FD@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060628160024.71491737FD@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060628165630.GA11608@majen.net> > Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:17:42 -0400 > From: Ken Arany > Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer in FC5 64bit > I have been working with Beta10 of 5.0 64bit and everything has been > working until I tried to install smbldap-installer. I know that the > current version of smbldap doesn't claim to install on the new version > yet, but I tried it anyway. That's the spirit! :) Yes, you've identified the same problems I have as I work on FC5 support. I've taken care of the pid file in my dev version, but I'm still not sure what's timing out while dbus starts. Oh - one other thing is that the "min passwd length" setting needs to be removed from smb.conf. I haven't uploaded the dev version anywhere yet, but I aim to do that in the next few days. (I just got back from MoodleMootNE, so I have until Tuesday to do it (and several other things :) before I head off to NECC.) OK...so I uploaded my dev version to http://majen.net/smbldap/smbldap-installer-2.1.tgz It's mostly working. The dbus ("System Messaging Bus") timeout during boot goes away if you entirely remove ldap from nsswitch.conf, but I haven't been able to track it down further than that. Also, you must run system-config-security (or something like that) to turn off the firewall before you can join any Winders(TM) machines to the domain. I'll be working on it, too, but let me know if you figure anything out. :) --matt > The problem I have run into is that openldap > seems to have changed some of their file structure and now slapd.pid > lives in /var/run/openldap/slapd.pid instead of /var/run/slapd.pid. I > can install the smbldap-installer portion and everything still works, > but after I modified the template for slapd.conf to reflect the new > location of the slapd.pid, the smbldap-configure script runs once. > However, when I try to reboot the system, it takes a long time trying to > start "namd" and then again a long time for "System Messagebus" and > thirdly on "ldap". I have tried to follow the script and see what other > things are being changed by the script, but I'm coming up with head > scatchings. Even if I tell ldap not to start at boot up it still takes a > long time (close to 40mins) Has anyone else had this problem? if so do > you have a solution yet. Is there a new smbldap -installer being worked > on or should i uninstall the current openldap and install an older > version? I have 9 new servers that need to be installed into 9 of my > elementary school, hopefully by the end of the summer. Any help is much > appreciated and thanks in advance. > > Ken Arany > Georgia-Cumberland Conference of SDA > IT Services > ken at gccsda.org -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From scott at hosef.org Wed Jun 28 17:46:14 2006 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:46:14 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] classroom teachers In-Reply-To: <20060627212856.87912.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060627212856.87912.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44A2C066.8090908@hosef.org> Rob Owens wrote: > > --- Martin Woolley > wrote: >> I'm pleased that this IS a listserv rather than a >> web forum. The big >> advantage of a mailing list is that discussions >> automagically arrive on my >> PC, to read or ignore as I like. With a web >> interface, I have to make the >> effort to go and read the stuff, and me being lazy, >> I don't. It is also much >> easier to post to a listserv. >> > > I agree with Martin. The only reason I make an effort > to check this list every day is because I'm afraid of > how many messages there will be in my inbox if I let > it go 2 or 3 days... > > -Rob I find it interesting that this discussion took place about 1.5 years ago. http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-December/msg00208.html At that point there was some hesitation for splitting the lists, but there was some agreement that a Mailman list would be best. Also, RedHat had agreed to host this. Four years into setting up and supporting thin-client labs, HOSEF came to the conclusion that it would help to create a second mailing list for teachers. There is, however, such hesitation to admit what you don't know that the list hasn't been used much. http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hosef-support --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/Executive Director The Hawai`i Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 2644 Ewa Beach, HI 96706 808.689.6518 phone/fax scott at hosef.org From m3freak at rogers.com Wed Jun 28 18:46:43 2006 From: m3freak at rogers.com (Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:46:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] WAN Boot In-Reply-To: <44A281D5.3000502@titanic.co.uk> References: <44A281D5.3000502@titanic.co.uk> Message-ID: <1151520403.5603.22.camel@krs> On Wed, 2006-28-06 at 14:19 +0100, Simon Faulkner wrote: > If a terminal can get a local DHCP address and the DHCP server points > them to a LTSP server through a routed connection can you have LTSP > terminals 'off site'? You can build a local boot server that provides the IP and kernel. LTSP can then be setup to point to a remote X server. Keep in mind that X is a pig: expect the remote thin clients to run slowly. This can be improved greatly with No Machine's NX server and client (or freenx on the server end, if you want to go the GPL route). The NX server would run on the remote X server; the NX client would run on the thin clients. One other thing, if your link between the two sites is slow, booting a thin client, not to mention several, will be slow too. A fast connection won't be much better, especially when compared to a local network. HTH, Ranbir -- Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu Linux 2.6.16-1.2115_FC4 i686 GNU/Linux 14:36:23 up 19:41, 3 users, load average: 1.16, 0.59, 0.34 From ramonklown at pop.com.br Wed Jun 28 18:47:37 2006 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:47:37 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] I would like to know In-Reply-To: <20060627165649.42032.qmail@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <66e742140606270918h50da9968mcf6af6171bf83b9f@mail.gmail.com> <20060627165649.42032.qmail@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1250.200.157.33.226.1151520457.squirrel@popmail5.pop.com.br> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon at titanic.co.uk Wed Jun 28 18:59:45 2006 From: simon at titanic.co.uk (Simon Faulkner) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:59:45 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] WAN Boot In-Reply-To: <1151520403.5603.22.camel@krs> References: <44A281D5.3000502@titanic.co.uk> <1151520403.5603.22.camel@krs> Message-ID: <44A2D1A1.70501@titanic.co.uk> > You can build a local boot server that provides the IP and kernel. LTSP > can then be setup to point to a remote X server. Keep in mind that X is > a pig: expect the remote thin clients to run slowly. This can be > improved greatly with No Machine's NX server and client (or freenx on > the server end, if you want to go the GPL route). The NX server would > run on the remote X server; the NX client would run on the thin clients. > > One other thing, if your link between the two sites is slow, booting a > thin client, not to mention several, will be slow too. A fast > connection won't be much better, especially when compared to a local > network. > > HTH, Oh yes, a very good answer, thank you :-) I will have a test... We use Axel terminals over RDP or VNC and they seem useable (just) for simple work. Cheers Simon From m3freak at rogers.com Wed Jun 28 19:29:56 2006 From: m3freak at rogers.com (Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:29:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] WAN Boot In-Reply-To: <44A2D1A1.70501@titanic.co.uk> References: <44A281D5.3000502@titanic.co.uk> <1151520403.5603.22.camel@krs> <44A2D1A1.70501@titanic.co.uk> Message-ID: <1151522996.5603.30.camel@krs> On Wed, 2006-28-06 at 19:59 +0100, Simon Faulkner wrote: > Oh yes, a very good answer, thank you :-) No problem! > I will have a test... > > We use Axel terminals over RDP or VNC and they seem useable (just) for > simple work. You'll find NX to be much, much better than VNC and RDP. A remote X desktop over NX will feel like a local connection. BTW, there will be increased overhead on the server side if you go the NX route, but that's nothing more RAM/CPU won't fix. Regards, Ranbir -- Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu Linux 2.6.16-1.2115_FC4 i686 GNU/Linux 15:27:33 up 20:32, 3 users, load average: 0.57, 0.57, 0.54 From simon at titanic.co.uk Wed Jun 28 19:41:06 2006 From: simon at titanic.co.uk (Simon Faulkner) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:41:06 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] WAN Boot In-Reply-To: <1151522996.5603.30.camel@krs> References: <44A281D5.3000502@titanic.co.uk> <1151520403.5603.22.camel@krs> <44A2D1A1.70501@titanic.co.uk> <1151522996.5603.30.camel@krs> Message-ID: <44A2DB52.8020900@titanic.co.uk> > You'll find NX to be much, much better than VNC and RDP. A remote X > desktop over NX will feel like a local connection. > > BTW, there will be increased overhead on the server side if you go the > NX route, but that's nothing more RAM/CPU won't fix. Mmmm, I've just setup NX and it seems very good. Takes a long time to start (60 seconds), maybe I haven't got it right yet? From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 28 21:15:30 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:15:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] WAN Boot In-Reply-To: <1151520403.5603.22.camel@krs> Message-ID: <20060628211530.78909.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Also consider security. Remote X is unencrypted, as is VNC. NX uses ssh by default, which is encrypted. --- Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote: > On Wed, 2006-28-06 at 14:19 +0100, Simon Faulkner > wrote: > > If a terminal can get a local DHCP address and the > DHCP server points > > them to a LTSP server through a routed connection > can you have LTSP > > terminals 'off site'? > > You can build a local boot server that provides the > IP and kernel. LTSP > can then be setup to point to a remote X server. > Keep in mind that X is > a pig: expect the remote thin clients to run slowly. > This can be > improved greatly with No Machine's NX server and > client (or freenx on > the server end, if you want to go the GPL route). > The NX server would > run on the remote X server; the NX client would run > on the thin clients. > > One other thing, if your link between the two sites > is slow, booting a > thin client, not to mention several, will be slow > too. A fast > connection won't be much better, especially when > compared to a local > network. > > HTH, > > Ranbir > -- > Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu > Linux 2.6.16-1.2115_FC4 i686 GNU/Linux > 14:36:23 up 19:41, 3 users, load average: 1.16, > 0.59, 0.34 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 28 21:22:42 2006 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Thanks and first ? In-Reply-To: <741a20fe0606271450s16ce795ap344c307a8eaefcaf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060628212242.57450.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Deborah White wrote: > Does anyone have any good tips for introducing this > to K-2 students? I'm not a teacher, but my son has been using Gcompris since he was 2 years old. He started with the computer-based activities that teach basic things like how to use the mouse. For instance, there's a game where you move the mouse pointer over "tiles" in order to uncover a picture (usually some kind of animal). -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From robark at gmail.com Wed Jun 28 21:35:45 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:35:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Thanks and first ? In-Reply-To: <741a20fe0606271450s16ce795ap344c307a8eaefcaf@mail.gmail.com> References: <741a20fe0606271450s16ce795ap344c307a8eaefcaf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/27/06, Deborah White wrote: > > Hi~ > > Yes, I know I'm double-posting here but, I wanted to let those of you know > that I will still be skimming K12osn at redhat.com because that will push my > knowledge base further but for practical purposes, classroom teachers (and > administrators) need a usage forum. > > Thanks, Steve, for setting this up. > > My first questions to teachers who are using K12LTSP are: > > Did you set up the virtual desktops for the students in your class? If so, > how? > Do you use your classroom terminals like learning centers or do you use > another management technique? > What's one of your favorite activities using Open Source with elementary > kids? Tuxpaint is popular with kids. > Does anyone have any good tips for introducing this to K-2 students? > > This fall, we will be beginning our Linux adventure. Each of 9 K-2 > classrooms will have 5 K12LTSP workstations along with a K-2 Autism Room > having 2 stations and a K-2 Resource Room having 2 stations. 3 of the > teachers, (one K, one 1st, and one 2nd) attended NELS 2006 at Gould Academy > in Bethel, Maine. The 3 of us have 1 paid training day to teach the other 6 > classroom teachers. The Special Ed. teachers may or may not get funding to > attend the training day. We're excited (and anxious). > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > Debbie White > 1st/2nd Grade Looping Teacher > Asa C. Adams School > Orono, ME > > http://flickatomte.googlepages.com/ourlinuxadventure > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From cwt137 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 28 23:01:55 2006 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] New Article Mentions K12LTSP Message-ID: <20060628230155.88458.qmail@web53310.mail.yahoo.com> Just to let you guys know, there is a new article about LTSP on Linux Journal, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8822. It mentions K12LTSP when talking about turnkey LTSP solutions. From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed Jun 28 23:56:38 2006 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:56:38 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] screen saver daemon Message-ID: <1151538998.31829.0.camel@susey.bushpig> Could someone please tell me the name of the daemon that I need to restart/reactivate for the screen saver & monitor power saver in kde? The situation I've found is that running kde (or sometmes xfce) on a workstation running k12/fc4 is that my screen saver ceases to function after a several days of machine uptime. I'm presuming that some daemon has died or been accidentally killed because logging out and back into the session restores the settings & behaviour. Trouble is I don't want to do that all the time. Thanks. Gavin. From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Thu Jun 29 02:46:45 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:46:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] v5 beta9 install notes Message-ID: <1151549205.26805.114.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> I had python "issues" installing beta 9 (i386 version). The anaconda would crash complaining about a gui library issue. It happened 2 times at about the same spot (disk 2). I was not able to capture the exact error as that machine had no working floppy drive. I was able to install with the text method. The yum update process cause gdm issues. The k12ltsp version removed the file that controls the graphics display mapping and gdm would no longer start. I pulled an older version over and renamed it for the new gnome version and recovered. (can't locate notes on this event at the moment for the file name... Hmm.) Many of the yum updates in the k12ltsp repo failed to successfully complete post-install scripts. The default setting in yumex (and yum) was to remove after install so the package was no longer around to work by hand. Add to this the gui for yumex no longer worked after the update. I used rpm -e to remove it (yumex), turned off the k12ltsp repo and reinstalled yumex from the Fedora repo. Please note: these were mostly minor issues for me (except the lost gnome that threw me for a loop for hours!) I have tested this on several different TC system and it works very well. An impromptu demo was a nice surprise as sound "just worked". Release date on v5 final? -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics) Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From webmaster at vol.org Thu Jun 29 16:26:44 2006 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:26:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] intel d101ggc motherboard Message-ID: <44A3FF44.5020905@vol.org> Does anyone have experience with K12LTSP and the Intel D101GGC (specifically, the D101GGCL) motherboard? http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/d101ggc/index.htm I have a chance to get a bunch of machines with this board for a great price and I have almost no time to do research. These boards have: chipset: ATI Radeon Xpress 200 nic: realtec 8101L video: ATI Radeon X300 audio: Realtek ALC861 (don't really care about this for LTSP usage) Thanks. This message has been scanned by the Internet Service Departments Virus/Spam filter. From dhhoward at comcast.net Thu Jun 29 17:52:24 2006 From: dhhoward at comcast.net (Daniel Howard) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:52:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] classroom teachers In-Reply-To: <20060629160024.3229E734F4@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060629160024.3229E734F4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44A41358.7040803@comcast.net> > Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:46:14 -1000 > From: "R. Scott Belford" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] classroom teachers > I find it interesting that this discussion took place about 1.5 years ago. > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-December/msg00208.html > > At that point there was some hesitation for splitting the lists, but there was some agreement that a Mailman list would be best. Also, RedHat had agreed to host this. > > Four years into setting up and supporting thin-client labs, HOSEF came to the conclusion that it would help to create a second mailing list for teachers. There is, however, such hesitation to admit what you don't know that the list hasn't been used much. > > http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hosef-support > > --scott > A thought: How about a web site for teachers with lesson plans posted by teachers (www.OpenLessons.org or similar) where those of us more familiar with some of the OSS apps available (or can take the moments to search or email schoolforge collegues to find apps) can then integrate the OSS apps into the lesson plans? Basically, teachers just do what they're already doing (lesson plans) and we help them find OSS apps to enhance the lessons. The site can have other info besides lesson plans useful for teachers using OSS in classrooms of course. Some of my teachers are already talking about doing something like this with their existing lesson plans, now that they have so many working computers available to them. I'm sure at least a few could be talked into starting something for us. Daniel From timothy.hart at gmail.com Thu Jun 29 18:07:00 2006 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:07:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] classroom teachers In-Reply-To: <44A41358.7040803@comcast.net> References: <20060629160024.3229E734F4@hormel.redhat.com> <44A41358.7040803@comcast.net> Message-ID: <464c38cc0606291107ka1f4e3k4cc6cc961cbb61d7@mail.gmail.com> I like the idea. I can't check out openlessons because our web filter does like it. I will check it out when I go home tonight. I have found it easy to implement a creative commons license for lesson plans. Very easy to make sense of and show teachers why they should use it. Easy to mark work as well. They also have an education section on their site. Check it out. http://creativecommons.org/education/ Tim On 6/29/06, Daniel Howard wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:46:14 -1000 > > From: "R. Scott Belford" > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] classroom teachers > > I find it interesting that this discussion took place about 1.5 years > ago. > > > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-December/msg00208.html > > > > At that point there was some hesitation for splitting the lists, but > there was some agreement that a Mailman list would be best. Also, > RedHat had agreed to host this. > > > > Four years into setting up and supporting thin-client labs, HOSEF > came to the conclusion that it would help to create a second mailing > list for teachers. There is, however, such hesitation to admit what you > don't know that the list hasn't been used much. > > > > http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hosef-support > > > > --scott > > > > A thought: How about a web site for teachers with lesson plans posted by > teachers (www.OpenLessons.org or similar) where those of us more > familiar with some of the OSS apps available (or can take the moments to > search or email schoolforge collegues to find apps) can then integrate > the OSS apps into the lesson plans? Basically, teachers just do what > they're already doing (lesson plans) and we help them find OSS apps to > enhance the lessons. The site can have other info besides lesson plans > useful for teachers using OSS in classrooms of course. > > Some of my teachers are already talking about doing something like this > with their existing lesson plans, now that they have so many working > computers available to them. I'm sure at least a few could be talked > into starting something for us. > > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Jun 29 18:10:14 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:10:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] classroom teachers In-Reply-To: <44A41358.7040803@comcast.net> References: <20060629160024.3229E734F4@hormel.redhat.com> <44A41358.7040803@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 6/29/06, Daniel Howard wrote: > A thought: How about a web site for teachers with lesson plans posted by > teachers (www.OpenLessons.org or similar) where those of us more > familiar with some of the OSS apps available (or can take the moments to > search or email schoolforge collegues to find apps) can then integrate > the OSS apps into the lesson plans? Basically, teachers just do what > they're already doing (lesson plans) and we help them find OSS apps to > enhance the lessons. The site can have other info besides lesson plans > useful for teachers using OSS in classrooms of course. What about the existing http://openquestproject.org/index.php/Main_Page? Otherwise, I'd be glad to register OpenLessons.org and set up the wiki. We are going to have a birds-of-a-feather meeting Thursday, July 5, at NECC in San Diego, and then a dinner meeting that night to discuss Open Source in education with all who want to be there. This would be a good forum for some of these ideas to come up in and be discussed. -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Jun 29 18:22:12 2006 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:22:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] classroom teachers In-Reply-To: <44A41358.7040803@comcast.net> References: <20060629160024.3229E734F4@hormel.redhat.com> <44A41358.7040803@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 6/29/06, Daniel Howard wrote: > A thought: How about a web site for teachers with lesson plans posted by > teachers (www.OpenLessons.org or similar) where those of us more > familiar with some of the OSS apps available (or can take the moments to > search or email schoolforge collegues to find apps) can then integrate > the OSS apps into the lesson plans? Basically, teachers just do what > they're already doing (lesson plans) and we help them find OSS apps to > enhance the lessons. The site can have other info besides lesson plans > useful for teachers using OSS in classrooms of course. Both Openlessons.org and Openlessons.com are taken, the latter being a site with resources for learning about FLOSS programs, but not really for educators. I've made a link on the K12OpenSource.com site for "Lesson Plans" that goes to the wiki http://openlessons.wikispaces.com and that could serve as a good place for this. I posted Daniels initial email there. If someone wants to outline the categories for the lesson plans, we can be on our way. We can also promote this at NECC big time. Steve -- Steve Hargadon steve at hargadon.com 916-899-1400 direct www.K12Computers.com - (Refurbished Dell Optiplexes for Schools) www.TechnologyRescue.com - (Linux Thin Client Solutions) www.LiveKiosk.com - (Web Access and Content Delivery Solutions) www.PublicWebStations.com - (Disaster & Shelter WebStation Software) www.SteveHargadon.com - (Blog on Educational Technology) From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jun 29 19:19:05 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:19:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Error finding system memory map on PXE boot Message-ID: <44A427A9.3050702@paasda.org> "error finding system memory map" has anyone else run into this error and found a solution? --Huck From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jun 29 20:40:33 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] v5 beta9 install notes In-Reply-To: <1151549205.26805.114.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> References: <1151549205.26805.114.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: On Wed 28 Jun, James P. Kinney III wrote: > I had python "issues" installing beta 9 (i386 version). The anaconda > would crash complaining about a gui library issue. It happened 2 times > at about the same spot (disk 2). I was not able to capture the exact > error as that machine had no working floppy drive. I was able to install > with the text method. > The yum update process cause gdm issues. The k12ltsp version removed the > file that controls the graphics display mapping and gdm would no longer > start. I pulled an older version over and renamed it for the new gnome > version and recovered. (can't locate notes on this event at the moment > for the file name... Hmm.) No GDM issues here. Let me know if you can repeat the problem & if you can let me know what file fixed it. I had a problem with the latest font server upgrade (xorg-x11-xfs) on my laptop, but I chalked that one up as my problem (heavily abused computer + I ran out of disk space right about the same time as the font server issue). All of my other upgrades went fine. I'm doing a series of tests today, I'll keep my eyes open. > Many of the yum updates in the k12ltsp repo failed to successfully > complete post-install scripts. The default setting in yumex (and yum) > was to remove after install so the package was no longer around to work > by hand. Add to this the gui for yumex no longer worked after the > update. I used rpm -e to remove it (yumex), turned off the k12ltsp repo > and reinstalled yumex from the Fedora repo. The yumex package in the K12LTSP repo is the same package as the Fedora repo. I'll double-check the MD5SUM to make sure it is 100% identical. > Please note: these were mostly minor issues for me (except the lost > gnome that threw me for a loop for hours!) I have tested this on several > different TC system and it works very well. An impromptu demo was a nice > surprise as sound "just worked". > > Release date on v5 final? Probably pretty soon. I hope to have a close-to-last beta release out today. I'm working on a number of minor packaging refinements that won't make a difference to most people + doing a lot of testing. There is a known bug in the new USB thumbdrive access feature. If Jim doesn't put out an official update real-soon-now, I'll bug him for a patch ;-) -Eric From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jun 30 02:30:03 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:30:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New-Teacher Day at UNH NELS! Message-ID: Hi! Given the amazing success of the "teacher track" at NELS Gould Academy in June , Matt and I have added a "Teacher Day" for a reduced rate at the UNH NELS! This day includes the banquet! Come and see why the classes were so popular! Sharon Betts and Kathy Malsbenden will be back at UNH with more exciting content. Daryl Hawes will be adding more to the Moodle sessions....it's going to be great! We have several teachers already registered for the Teacher Day....we'd love to have you too! More information at http://www.nelinux.net Since the registration for the teacher day is only $125 we'll need you to email us once you want to register and we'll let you know how to proceed. In addition to that....a reminder that NELS 2006 at UNH is just a few weeks away! July 16-19....come and join us for the full conference. Register at http://www.nelinux.net (if you're registering after July 1st....drop us an email at info at linuxsymposium.net and we'll get you registered (the web registration goes offline July 1st to give UNH time to prepare, but we can still accept registrations.....we'll do it manually) Don't forget the ACTEM professional development funds! :-) Hope you can join us! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Jun 30 02:30:03 2006 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:30:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New-Teacher Day at UNH NELS! Message-ID: Hi! Given the amazing success of the "teacher track" at NELS Gould Academy in June , Matt and I have added a "Teacher Day" for a reduced rate at the UNH NELS! This day includes the banquet! Come and see why the classes were so popular! Sharon Betts and Kathy Malsbenden will be back at UNH with more exciting content. Daryl Hawes will be adding more to the Moodle sessions....it's going to be great! We have several teachers already registered for the Teacher Day....we'd love to have you too! More information at http://www.nelinux.net Since the registration for the teacher day is only $125 we'll need you to email us once you want to register and we'll let you know how to proceed. In addition to that....a reminder that NELS 2006 at UNH is just a few weeks away! July 16-19....come and join us for the full conference. Register at http://www.nelinux.net (if you're registering after July 1st....drop us an email at info at nelinux.net and we'll get you registered (the web registration goes offline July 1st to give UNH time to prepare, but we can still accept registrations.....we'll do it manually) Don't forget the ACTEM professional development funds! :-) Hope you can join us! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com Fri Jun 30 03:44:48 2006 From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:44:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] v5 beta9 install notes In-Reply-To: References: <1151549205.26805.114.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> Message-ID: <1151639088.26805.180.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com> On Thu, 2006-06-29 at 13:40 -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Wed 28 Jun, James P. Kinney III wrote: > > > I had python "issues" installing beta 9 (i386 version). The anaconda > > would crash complaining about a gui library issue. It happened 2 times > > at about the same spot (disk 2). I was not able to capture the exact > > error as that machine had no working floppy drive. I was able to install > > with the text method. > > > The yum update process cause gdm issues. The k12ltsp version removed the > > file that controls the graphics display mapping and gdm would no longer > > start. I pulled an older version over and renamed it for the new gnome > > version and recovered. (can't locate notes on this event at the moment > > for the file name... Hmm.) > > No GDM issues here. Let me know if you can repeat the problem & if you > can let me know what file fixed it. The file that vanished was /etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders. I'll be testing the update process again later tonight. > > I had a problem with the latest font server upgrade (xorg-x11-xfs) > on my laptop, but I chalked that one up as my problem (heavily abused > computer + I ran out of disk space right about the same time as the > font server issue). All of my other upgrades went fine. I'm doing > a series of tests today, I'll keep my eyes open. I also hope to have full test of the x86_64 version this weekend. As a side note, the google earth for linux crashed immediately on my dual opteron machine. I have not tested with a 32 bit machine yet. > > > Many of the yum updates in the k12ltsp repo failed to successfully > > complete post-install scripts. The default setting in yumex (and yum) > > was to remove after install so the package was no longer around to work > > by hand. Add to this the gui for yumex no longer worked after the > > update. I used rpm -e to remove it (yumex), turned off the k12ltsp repo > > and reinstalled yumex from the Fedora repo. > > The yumex package in the K12LTSP repo is the same package as the Fedora > repo. I'll double-check the MD5SUM to make sure it is 100% identical. There are other things that are python related that are broken after that first update. The network config gui won't run. I don't recall if there was a library update in the process or not. I do recall that most of the post-install scripts failed. Unfortunately, I don't have a list of what was getting updated. Hmm. I'll check the yum logs. > > > Please note: these were mostly minor issues for me (except the lost > > gnome that threw me for a loop for hours!) I have tested this on several > > different TC system and it works very well. An impromptu demo was a nice > > surprise as sound "just worked". > > > > Release date on v5 final? > > Probably pretty soon. I hope to have a close-to-last beta release out > today. I'm working on a number of minor packaging refinements that won't > make a difference to most people + doing a lot of testing. > > There is a known bug in the new USB thumbdrive access feature. If Jim > doesn't put out an official update real-soon-now, I'll bug him for a > patch ;-) > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- James P. Kinney III \Changing the mobile computing world/ CEO & Director of Engineering \ one Linux user / Local Net Solutions,LLC \ at a time. / 770-493-8244 \.___________________________./ http://www.localnetsolutions.com GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. 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It happened 2 times > > > at about the same spot (disk 2). I was not able to capture the exact > > > error as that machine had no working floppy drive. I was able to install > > > with the text method. > > > > > The yum update process cause gdm issues. The k12ltsp version removed the > > > file that controls the graphics display mapping and gdm would no longer > > > start. I pulled an older version over and renamed it for the new gnome > > > version and recovered. (can't locate notes on this event at the moment > > > for the file name... Hmm.) > > > > No GDM issues here. Let me know if you can repeat the problem & if you > > can let me know what file fixed it. > > The file that vanished was /etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders. I did a google search for that file and all of the top hits where about that file missing. Many of these posts are 2-3 years old, so this is probably something long-standing with GNOME rather than being something specific to FC5. For example... https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-March/msg00284.html http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-list/2003-November/msg00079.html Appearently this command will get you back in business: gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders > I'll be testing the update process again later tonight. > > > > I had a problem with the latest font server upgrade (xorg-x11-xfs) > > on my laptop, but I chalked that one up as my problem (heavily abused > > computer + I ran out of disk space right about the same time as the > > font server issue). All of my other upgrades went fine. I'm doing > > a series of tests today, I'll keep my eyes open. > > I also hope to have full test of the x86_64 version this weekend. As a > side note, the google earth for linux crashed immediately on my dual > opteron machine. I have not tested with a 32 bit machine yet. > > > > > Many of the yum updates in the k12ltsp repo failed to successfully > > > complete post-install scripts. The default setting in yumex (and yum) > > > was to remove after install so the package was no longer around to work > > > by hand. Add to this the gui for yumex no longer worked after the > > > update. I used rpm -e to remove it (yumex), turned off the k12ltsp repo > > > and reinstalled yumex from the Fedora repo. > > > > The yumex package in the K12LTSP repo is the same package as the Fedora > > repo. I'll double-check the MD5SUM to make sure it is 100% identical. > > There are other things that are python related that are broken after > that first update. The network config gui won't run. I don't recall if > there was a library update in the process or not. I do recall that most > of the post-install scripts failed. Unfortunately, I don't have a list > of what was getting updated. Hmm. I'll check the yum logs. The network gui & friends all use GNOME, it is probably the calls to gdk-pixbuf that are causing the python tracebacks for these apps. -Eric From wipf_jonte at havenschool.org Fri Jun 30 05:12:46 2006 From: wipf_jonte at havenschool.org (Jonte' Wipf) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 00:12:46 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) Subject: [K12OSN] unsubscribe Message-ID: <44A4B2CE.000003.02768@ENTRY64> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at snarlnet.com Fri Jun 30 09:23:31 2006 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:23:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] KVM Monitor Trouble Message-ID: <44A4ED93.8040904@snarlnet.com> Hi, I recently switched out the monitor that I had on my KVM switch. I did this while both servers hooked to the kvm were on. One of the servers works fine with the new monitor, but my k12ltsp (4.4.2 ?) server doesn't. The new monitor is smaller, I'm wondering if it doesn't support as high a resolution as the previous monitor. Does anyone know how I can change the monitor settings via SSH, so that I can get the server to work with the new monitor? Thanks, ck From toddobryan at mac.com Fri Jun 30 12:48:42 2006 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:48:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] XWindows hell Message-ID: <1151671723.30237.36.camel@localhost> I'm trying to use Ubuntu in my lab next year, and I got it working on the student machines, but my teacher machine, which is a different model is being stubborn. It's an IBM ThinkCentre M51 (model 8143, in fact), which apparently has an Intel 915 video chip. I've found enough stuff googling to know that there's something annoying with this machine, but I haven't found any instructions about how to fix the problem. The problem, incidentally, is that XWindows fails spectacularly and I'm left with a blank screen and a blinking monitor power light. If someone knows how to solve the problem, I'd be very grateful, but I'd settle for a pointer or even suggestions of likely more helpful Google searches. Thanks, Todd From dpalmerjr at gmail.com Fri Jun 30 14:19:20 2006 From: dpalmerjr at gmail.com (Darryl Palmer) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:19:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] XWindows hell In-Reply-To: <1151671723.30237.36.camel@localhost> References: <1151671723.30237.36.camel@localhost> Message-ID: Hello Todd It appears that you can download the driver to the Intel 915 video chip from Intel's site. You can go to the website http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df-external/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=N&Inst=Yes&ProductID=1862&DwnldID=9726&strOSs=&OSFullName=&lang=eng or just google for dri-Intel-3.4.3006-20051209.i386.rpm If the rpm is not compatible with your system, then it gets alot harder. You can get the sourcecode for the driver from http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df-external/Filter_Results.aspx?strOSs=39&strTypes=DRV&ProductID=955&OSFullname=Linux * Darryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From veewee77 at alltel.net Fri Jun 30 14:47:56 2006 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:47:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] XWindows hell In-Reply-To: <1151671723.30237.36.camel@localhost> References: <1151671723.30237.36.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <44A5399C.4020201@alltel.net> Likely, the resolution X is trying to use is higher than the monitor can stand. Others can tell you how to fix that. I have fixed my own sometimes, but don't know it well enough to lead you about it. Doug Todd O'Bryan wrote: >I'm trying to use Ubuntu in my lab next year, and I got it working on >the student machines, but my teacher machine, which is a different model >is being stubborn. > >It's an IBM ThinkCentre M51 (model 8143, in fact), which apparently has >an Intel 915 video chip. I've found enough stuff googling to know that >there's something annoying with this machine, but I haven't found any >instructions about how to fix the problem. The problem, incidentally, is >that XWindows fails spectacularly and I'm left with a blank screen and a >blinking monitor power light. > >If someone knows how to solve the problem, I'd be very grateful, but I'd >settle for a pointer or even suggestions of likely more helpful Google >searches. > >Thanks, >Todd > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From robark at gmail.com Fri Jun 30 15:14:42 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:14:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] KVM Monitor Trouble In-Reply-To: <44A4ED93.8040904@snarlnet.com> References: <44A4ED93.8040904@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: On 6/30/06, Carl Keil wrote: > Hi, > > I recently switched out the monitor that I had on my KVM switch. I did > this while both servers hooked to the kvm were on. One of the servers > works fine with the new monitor, but my k12ltsp (4.4.2 ?) server > doesn't. The new monitor is smaller, I'm wondering if it doesn't > support as high a resolution as the previous monitor. Does anyone know > how I can change the monitor settings via SSH, so that I can get the > server to work with the new monitor? edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf there should be a line like -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From robark at gmail.com Fri Jun 30 15:16:47 2006 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:16:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] KVM Monitor Trouble In-Reply-To: References: <44A4ED93.8040904@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: On 6/30/06, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 6/30/06, Carl Keil wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I recently switched out the monitor that I had on my KVM switch. I did > > this while both servers hooked to the kvm were on. One of the servers > > works fine with the new monitor, but my k12ltsp (4.4.2 ?) server > > doesn't. The new monitor is smaller, I'm wondering if it doesn't > > support as high a resolution as the previous monitor. Does anyone know > > how I can change the monitor settings via SSH, so that I can get the > > server to work with the new monitor? > > edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf > > there should be a line like like the one below (the modes line) Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Videocard0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection EndSection -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary, Vancouver, Canada Fl_TeacherTool http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ C++ GUI tutorial http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/ From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Jun 30 15:23:26 2006 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:23:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux /home, OSX authentication In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44A541EE.4010007@paasda.org> Shawn, Not sure if you've resolved this or not, but stumbling around trying to resolve a diff macOSX issue with Samba that I'm having I found this: mount-smbfs is the Mac OSX equiv of smbmount on Linux. maybe someway of throwing that into their login script on the MacOS side of things? to mount-smbfs \\Xserve\homedirs\username or some such contraption? ;) *disclaimer* Incredibly MacOS Ignorant --Huck Shawn Powers wrote: > I'm hoping someone can at least point me in the right direction... > > I currently have all my accounts stored on a Linux machine, and I use > NIS for network authentication. Due to the vast numbers of OSX clients > I'll have next year, I want to move authentication to our Xserve. I'm > pretty sure all my Linux boxes will authenticate to the Xserve happily > (correct me if I'm wrong), but I don't want to move my document storage > away from my really nice Linux RAID machine. > > Is it possible to configure OSX server to have clients use a /home > directory share for their network folder via SMB? I'm currently doing > it via NFS to my OSX users, and having the clients authenticate via NIS > -- but it's really a kludge. I'd love to have the computer mount the > home directory via SMB at login, but I'm not sure it can be done. > > Has anyone done anything like that? > > Thanks a ton, > -Shawn > > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > Work Website: http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > Personal Blog: http://www.brainofshawn.com > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From william at fragakis.com Fri Jun 30 16:48:12 2006 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:48:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] v5 beta9 install notes In-Reply-To: <20060630160020.DB546735D9@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060630160020.DB546735D9@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1151686092.1677.14.camel@server.ltsp> Eric, I tried installing via ftp last night and my gdm is dead, too. Plain vanilla install using the defaults. I tried using yum update and that made it worse as a bunch of cyrillic characters go across the screen before I can copy down the error. I'd previously installed beta4 on the same system with no hitch but had issues with yumex so tried to do a fresh install instead. Also a lot of errors are thrown during boot - access denied and services failing. Could this be due to SELinux? I don't have the command line chops Jim does to sort things out at the moment as we are about to be off for the weekend. Regards, William On Fri, 2006-06-30 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:40:33 -0700 (PDT) > From: Eric Harrison > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] v5 beta9 install notes > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > On Wed 28 Jun, James P. Kinney III wrote: > > > I had python "issues" installing beta 9 (i386 version). The anaconda > > would crash complaining about a gui library issue. It happened 2 > times > > at about the same spot (disk 2). I was not able to capture the exact > > error as that machine had no working floppy drive. I was able to > install > > with the text method. > > > The yum update process cause gdm issues. The k12ltsp version removed > the > > file that controls the graphics display mapping and gdm would no > longer > > start. I pulled an older version over and renamed it for the new > gnome > > version and recovered. (can't locate notes on this event at the > moment > > for the file name... Hmm.) > > No GDM issues here. Let me know if you can repeat the problem & if you > can let me know what file fixed it. > > I had a problem with the latest font server upgrade (xorg-x11-xfs) > on my laptop, but I chalked that one up as my problem (heavily abused > computer + I ran out of disk space right about the same time as the > font server issue). All of my other upgrades went fine. I'm doing > a series of tests today, I'll keep my eyes open. > > > Many of the yum updates in the k12ltsp repo failed to successfully > > complete post-install scripts. The default setting in yumex (and > yum) > > was to remove after install so the package was no longer around to > work > > by hand. Add to this the gui for yumex no longer worked after the > > update. I used rpm -e to remove it (yumex), turned off the k12ltsp > repo > > and reinstalled yumex from the Fedora repo. > > The yumex package in the K12LTSP repo is the same package as the > Fedora > repo. I'll double-check the MD5SUM to make sure it is 100% identical. > > > Please note: these were mostly minor issues for me (except the lost > > gnome that threw me for a loop for hours!) I have tested this on > several > > different TC system and it works very well. An impromptu demo was a > nice > > surprise as sound "just worked". > > > > Release date on v5 final? > > Probably pretty soon. I hope to have a close-to-last beta release out > today. I'm working on a number of minor packaging refinements that > won't > make a difference to most people + doing a lot of testing. > > There is a known bug in the new USB thumbdrive access feature. If Jim > doesn't put out an official update real-soon-now, I'll bug him for a > patch ;-) > > -Eric > > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jun 30 17:09:07 2006 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] v5 beta9 install notes In-Reply-To: <1151686092.1677.14.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20060630160020.DB546735D9@hormel.redhat.com> <1151686092.1677.14.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Jun 2006, William Fragakis wrote: > Eric, > I tried installing via ftp last night and my gdm is dead, too. Plain > vanilla install using the defaults. I tried using yum update and that > made it worse as a bunch of cyrillic characters go across the screen > before I can copy down the error. > > I'd previously installed beta4 on the same system with no hitch but had > issues with yumex so tried to do a fresh install instead. > > Also a lot of errors are thrown during boot - access denied and services > failing. Could this be due to SELinux? That sounds like the font server issue I had on my laptop, /etc/X11/fs/config was missing. I had a /etc/X11/fs/config.rpmsave that I copied to /etc/X11/fs/config and all was well. (look for a /etc/X11/fs/config.rpmnew if you don't see a config.rpmsave). > I don't have the command line chops Jim does to sort things out at the > moment as we are about to be off for the weekend. I'm off as well. Back online in a day or two ;-) -Eric > Regards, > William > > On Fri, 2006-06-30 at 12:00 -0400, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: >> Message: 7 >> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:40:33 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Eric Harrison >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] v5 beta9 install notes >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> >> >> On Wed 28 Jun, James P. Kinney III wrote: >> >>> I had python "issues" installing beta 9 (i386 version). The anaconda >>> would crash complaining about a gui library issue. It happened 2 >> times >>> at about the same spot (disk 2). I was not able to capture the exact >>> error as that machine had no working floppy drive. I was able to >> install >>> with the text method. >> >>> The yum update process cause gdm issues. The k12ltsp version removed >> the >>> file that controls the graphics display mapping and gdm would no >> longer >>> start. I pulled an older version over and renamed it for the new >> gnome >>> version and recovered. (can't locate notes on this event at the >> moment >>> for the file name... Hmm.) >> >> No GDM issues here. Let me know if you can repeat the problem & if you >> can let me know what file fixed it. >> >> I had a problem with the latest font server upgrade (xorg-x11-xfs) >> on my laptop, but I chalked that one up as my problem (heavily abused >> computer + I ran out of disk space right about the same time as the >> font server issue). All of my other upgrades went fine. I'm doing >> a series of tests today, I'll keep my eyes open. >> >>> Many of the yum updates in the k12ltsp repo failed to successfully >>> complete post-install scripts. The default setting in yumex (and >> yum) >>> was to remove after install so the package was no longer around to >> work >>> by hand. Add to this the gui for yumex no longer worked after the >>> update. I used rpm -e to remove it (yumex), turned off the k12ltsp >> repo >>> and reinstalled yumex from the Fedora repo. >> >> The yumex package in the K12LTSP repo is the same package as the >> Fedora >> repo. I'll double-check the MD5SUM to make sure it is 100% identical. >> >>> Please note: these were mostly minor issues for me (except the lost >>> gnome that threw me for a loop for hours!) I have tested this on >> several >>> different TC system and it works very well. An impromptu demo was a >> nice >>> surprise as sound "just worked". >>> >>> Release date on v5 final? >> >> Probably pretty soon. I hope to have a close-to-last beta release out >> today. I'm working on a number of minor packaging refinements that >> won't >> make a difference to most people + doing a lot of testing. >> >> There is a known bug in the new USB thumbdrive access feature. If Jim >> doesn't put out an official update real-soon-now, I'll bug him for a >> patch ;-) >> >> -Eric >> >> >> From julius at turtle.com Fri Jun 30 18:12:12 2006 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] yum update problem Message-ID: Dear Folks, when I run yum update on a k12ltsp 4.x (fc3) server, I get an error after all the transaction checks and downloads: warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 731002fa public key not available for udev-039-10.FC3.9.legacy.i386.rpm Retrieving GPG key from http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY The GPG key at http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY (0xF1A2DED5) is already installed but is not the correct key for this package. Check that this is the correct key for the "K12LTSP" repository. Any suggestions on how to resolve it and actually perform the update? Thank you, Julius From dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jun 30 18:15:22 2006 From: dyoung at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:15:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44A56A3A.6080200@mesd.k12.or.us> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > when I run yum update on a k12ltsp 4.x (fc3) server, I get an > error after all the transaction checks and downloads: > warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 731002fa > public key not available for udev-039-10.FC3.9.legacy.i386.rpm ^^^^^^ > Retrieving GPG key from http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY > > The GPG key at http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY (0xF1A2DED5) > is already installed but is not the correct key for this package. > Check that this is the correct key for the "K12LTSP" repository. > > Any suggestions on how to resolve it and actually perform the update? Since FC3 is no longer getting updates from Fedora proper, Eric is pulling in Fedora Legacy packages. You need the Fedora Legacy GPG key installed. rpm --import http://www.fedoralegacy.org/FEDORA-LEGACY-GPG-KEY -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From julius at turtle.com Fri Jun 30 18:39:57 2006 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] yum update problem In-Reply-To: <44A56A3A.6080200@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <44A56A3A.6080200@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <51773.216.216.171.3.1151692797.squirrel@216.216.171.3> > Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >> when I run yum update on a k12ltsp 4.x (fc3) server, I get an >> error after all the transaction checks and downloads: >> warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 731002fa >> public key not available for udev-039-10.FC3.9.legacy.i386.rpm > ^^^^^^ >> Retrieving GPG key from http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY >> >> The GPG key at http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY >> (0xF1A2DED5) >> is already installed but is not the correct key for this package. >> Check that this is the correct key for the "K12LTSP" repository. >> >> Any suggestions on how to resolve it and actually perform the update? > > Since FC3 is no longer getting updates from Fedora proper, Eric is > pulling in Fedora Legacy packages. You need the Fedora Legacy GPG key > installed. > > rpm --import http://www.fedoralegacy.org/FEDORA-LEGACY-GPG-KEY > > -- > Dan Young > Thank you Dan. Worked like magic! julius From dhhoward at comcast.net Fri Jun 30 22:20:35 2006 From: dhhoward at comcast.net (Daniel Howard) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:20:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 28, Issue 32 In-Reply-To: <20060629160024.3229E734F4@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20060629160024.3229E734F4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44A5A3B3.4020206@comcast.net> > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:46:14 -1000 > From: "R. Scott Belford" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] classroom teachers > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hosef-support > > --scott > Further to this topic, Steve Hargadon quickly put a wiki together on this that I've done an intro to and Steve formated a template for teachers to input lesson plans. It occurs to me that the best growth for the wiki will result from teachers submitting lesson plans they already have, in hopes the community can help them identify FLOSS applications that would enhance the lesson plan. I'm guessing most teachers will have lesson plans in MS Word. How do we convert these to web format with online word processor like the one built into the wiki? We don't want it to be laborious for teachers... Daniel